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'Sounds Of The Unborn'; Whale Calls Help Map The Ocean Floor

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'Sounds Of The Unborn'; Whale Calls Help Map The Ocean Floor

"From npr and wbz. You are impure o'dowd and i'm tanya moseley. It's here and now people in texas are miserable right now. After the entire state was hit by a winter storm that brought snow and frigid temperatures. Millions of people have already gone more than two days without power. A lot of people don't have running water and it's not over more. Snow and freezing. Rain is falling today in parts of southern central and eastern texas. Let's bring in dominique walsh. He joins us from san antonio. He's with texas public radio and dominik. Some people are going into their third day with no power. Give us a sense of the scope of these outages. it's still massive urquhot. Which is the operator of the state grid here in texas or cut. Says they're stole two point. Seven million households without power. And you know that's not two point seven million people that's two point seven million households with families lots of people talking about millions and millions of people who have now gone forty eight hours more without power What what are these power companies saying today about win power will be restored in why. The storm caused such a massive power failure in texas. So as for the second part of that question. The y It's the same problem that we saw on sunday. As the snow started. Falling temperatures started to plunge demand for power for heating surged at that same time of power. Plants were knocked offline by the weather because they were not properly whether as for a winter storm. So you had surging. You had surging demand and dropping supply. That's why these rolling blackouts started since then. The storm has also taken offline. You know various pieces of equipment so you have a mix of demand driven blackouts as well as equipment damage driven blackouts as for wind. That will be resolved. There has not been a definitive timeline. Laid out just yet What urquhot and other companies are saying. Is you know hold tight. They're working on it but really might not be resolved until the temperature starts to rise which might be later this week into the weekend but again no definitive time line okay. Dominic to add to this misery misery. As i mentioned there are people in the dark and without running water or with very low water pressure and and there are boil water notices in some areas. What's going on with the water. Yeah so the situation really depends on where you are. I can tell you my apartment in san antonio. The pipes have been frozen since late sunday. In other parts. Power to water treatment plants have been affected so what a treatment plants in some rural areas have been knocked on offline so those areas other shutdown water or have put you know. Boil water notices in place in other areas like like houston. There's very low water pressure because people have been dripping their faucets. that's affected the water quality. Houston now has a boil notice for its water. But here's the thing about these boil. Notices in texas a lot of homes rely on electric stoves. if you can't heat the water you can't bring it to a boil so yeah it's a problem for a lot of people across the state and even even even if you do have water and supposed to boil it. You might not be able to if you don't have electricity There's another storm bringing snow and freezing rain today. People in texas are not used to navigating roads in this kind of weather and without power. We're hearing that stoplights aren't working. How are the roads right now. The roads are still terrible. Officials saying do not drive. If you don't have to. I believe tomorrow will mark the one week. Mark of that awful pile up in fort worth more than one hundred vehicles. Six people killed in that pile up Things have gotten worse since then so the messaging from all the officials is stay off the roads. If you can yeah. The weather has also ended food and other supply chains or grocery stores and pharmacies and other businesses. Open them are. It depends on where you are what business it is. Some of them are. But you know trucks haven't been able to make consistent. Frequent supply vans said. The supply lines have have fallen short. We're seeing a lot of photos and videos of empty grocery stores shelves targets. Heb's here in texas walmart's all of them are starting to run short on supplies so even if they are open they might not have everything you need and because of covid nineteen precautions. There are often long lines outside of the grocery stores stretching for blocks and blocks people having two hours to get inside to a grocery store. That doesn't have everything they need. Yeah we know. There are warming centers and food. Pantries open a lot of these nonprofits are asking for donations dominic. You mentioned that your pipes were frozen. How are you doing. I'm okay so i actually left my apartment and more coworker who fortunately does have power because they're on the same circuit as critical service for folks who might not have power or water though the thing to do if you are you know looking for help is if you're in his city call three one one. If you're in a rural area call two one one. They should be able to give you resources in terms of where to go for warming centers food pantries other things like that is also lots of mutual aid. Work going on right now but even all of these services have been impacted by the weather so and also covid. Nineteen is complicated. Some of these warming centers so various cities are starting to open up more resources and again three one one for cities to one one for rural areas to find those resources. Thank you so much for that reminder and you stay safe dominic thank you so much. Thank you tanya. That's texas public. Radio's dominic anthony. Walsh in san antonio former president trump could still face legal consequences for the capital insurrection despite his recent acquittal by the us senate democratic representative bennie thompson of sippy has filed a civil lawsuit against him accusing the former president of conspiring with far right extremists. That stormed the capital last month. Here's thompson on cnn. Last night i'm convinced that he acted irresponsibly. We're bringing this action. I look forward to having my day in court. Emily brazilan has been following this and other legal problems pending against trump. She's a senior research scholar at yale law school and a staff writer at the new york times magazine. Hi emily so congressman thompson is invoking something called. The ku klux klan act alleging that trump conspired to interfere congress certification of the electoral college count. What's whose argument. His argument is that president. Trump made specific threats. This is what that he would have to show to win the congressmen including actions that threaten the right to vote and prevent federal officers from doing their job. So this is a law that was passed in the eighteen seventies when there was a lot of concern about the ku klux klan. A threatening black people terrorizing them and terrorising members of congress in a way that threatened the right to vote and so the idea is to take that law and apply it to trump's role in the assault on the capital on january. Sixth has that law ever been used in modern times. It's been used rarely not because it couldn't apply but because the supreme court in the eighteen seventies and eighties was pretty hostile to it and blocked a lot of claims by black lit against and so it kind of fell out of favour recently. The nwa see legal defense fund and the couple of other groups have tried to kind of resuscitate it. And so. that's what you're seeing. Here is the idea that this historical law could be relevant in modern times given these very particular facts. Well this is interesting. Trump was acquitted by the senate in his impeachment trial of course and it was considering some of these same questions but of course what thompson is doing. Here is a civil lawsuit. So what kind of legal hurdles does he have to clear in order to win so he has to show that there were specific. Threats made that would prevent federal officers from doing their jobs. That was the The thing that congress was concerned about in the eighteen seventies was the idea that there were members of the kkk who were preventing the federal government from ensuring the right to vote and that was a particular context in you know our tortured history about race in this country and then the question is whether trump's remarks and encouraging of the capital seldom refusal to stop it really is applicable here because it was also a threat that didn't let federal officers address the right to vote. We'll this of course not the only lawsuit. The former president is facing is also under investigation by the attorney. General of new york and the district attorney of new york. A those cases touch mostly on his business dealings. What kind of threat do they pose for trump. I mean the the most basic way to think about this is that it's an inquiry into tax fraud and this question of whether trump and the trump organization have inflated the value of assets. They own to get favorable loan rates and to get tax write offs and weather. This could even merge virginia criminal activity. So that's what both the new york attorney general and the manhattan. Da's office are investigating. There's also what's going on with georgia. Prosecutors they're investigating trump's attempts to overturn the state's election and that phone call that he made the secretary of state. What are the range. We've talked about a couple of cases here. What are the range of consequences that the former president might be facing well in some ways the georgia increase the most serious because this could lead to criminal charges against former president trump. the district attorney in georgia is investigating whether the facts of that call to the secretary of state that encouraged him to you know quote find votes that would presumably flip the election whether that is criminal solicitation to commit fraud We usually give public officials in pretty broad range and being able to challenge election results. Because we wanna make sure that those results hold up but if trump was doing something that was actually pushing election officials to change the results fraudulently and if he knew that was what he was asking that could be fraud. Emily babylon senior research scholar at yale law school and staff writer at the new york times magazine. Thanks very much. Thanks for having. President biden back in washington today where he's pushing to get his recovery package through congress and just last night in milwaukee the first town hall of his presidency. He made some bold promises about vaccines in schools. Reopening npr national political correspondent. Mara liasson joins us now in march. Let's hear what biden said at the cnn townhall last night when he was asked about vaccines we came in office. There was only ah fifty million that are available. We have now by the engine. July will have over six hundred million doses enough to vaccinate every single american. Big promises the on track to get that done well. He's on track to hit it if a lot of other things fall into place if the supply keeps up if he finds enough what he calls vaccinate tours people who can actually administered the shots and the white house put out a vaccination progress chart today with the seven day. Average daily doses. And they're going up. They started january thirteenth less than a million doses of vaccines day administered now february tenth through sixteenth. One point seven million a day and kept on going and that rate yes. You'll meet his target all right. Well we're gonna keep a close eye on those numbers. Meanwhile on the issue of education The white house has had some miscommunication recently about schools reopening but last night biden said that his goal was to open the majority of k. Through eight schools in the next one hundred days that is different. Mara than what. We've heard from his from his press secretary. He corrected that his press secretary headset a remarkably low bar of what he meant by school opening. She said that it meant having half of them. Having in person instruction one day a week by the end of the first one hundred days last night in that meeting by said that was a mistake in communication. He wants to see k. Through eight classes back five days a week And it's important to do this because school. Openings is becoming a huge political issue. A republicans are saying the biden administration is aggressive enough to get kids back into school that they're kowtowing to the teachers unions Opening schools too. Many americans is the single most important signal of getting back to normal. In addition to the many many reasons why it's so important for kids and parents to get schools open again so this has become a political issue and the president wanted to correct the record last night and this was his first big appearance in public after the impeachment trial. He likes these kind of events. Hasn't gotten to do them very much. Because of the pandemic how did he do in the spotlight. Would you think. I thought he did fine. He was all the things that biden is. he was empathetic. He seemed to know his brief. He also was very loquacious and also kind of boring. He went on and on at times but he didn't make any big gaffes which is always the concern about biden as a political performer. But this is a a format that he likes. He likes to engage with people many times. He said two questions. Could you stay after. And i'll see if i can help. You will give you some information. So i think he did fine. Npr national political correspondent morrison liasson. Thank you so much. You're welcome what you're hearing is a selection of luca. Japan keys debut album and it was created by her parents before luca was even born parents. Are elizabeth hart the basis from the band's psychedelic ills and producer. Ivan de as matei they used synthesizers and bio sonic devices to record and translate the sounds of elizabeth's womb and elizabeth an iv. Join us now. Welcome to the show. I think every new parent when they first hear those sounds of that first ultrasound feel like this is music to my ears but you actually took this one step further. Take us to that first decision to turn the sounds of luca into an album elizabeth. Well if he had been Working a lot with this By sonic midi device with recording plant music. So as i had progressed in my pregnancy we recorded this album. When i was in the last trimester so eight months seven and eight months We wondered what it would be like to try this technology on me. Yes and so. I haven't been playing around with this. Let's let's talk a little bit more about this technology. As as elizabeth said it's called a amid it's a device connected to elizabeth stomach that fed data into synthesizers. That were at your hands. Can you describe more about how this works. And actually how long this process was ivan. I think the simplest example that is accessible to everybody is the polygraph you have. Electrodes connected the measure of receive your electromagnetic impulses and the changes in that current every living being hats. Yes people have developed technology from which this same electromagnetic impulses are translated into me. Notation for people that don't know what mediais meetings of musical language that carries or contains information of what notes in what position for how long dusting formation at from lizards and lucas bodies combined. That is translated into this score is like if they were the musicians choosing what to play and synthesizers are the sounds. I choose to apply to that information that is being picked up. This took quite a while right. Each session took about five hours. The first session was kind of like dipping our feet in the ocean. Trying to understand what we could get from this experiment. Both elizabeth and i would be in the studio and she would sit in front of the speakers and we will blast the music pretty loud because we wanted her to be immersed in this music that she also was producing in real time to be influenced. What you're producing is very interesting. This is so interesting because what you're saying here is you. Also we're trying to keep the integrity of of luca's musical autonomy As you put it specifically as you describe a way to allow her message to exist in its raw form. Let's listen to the song on the album called v four point three two. Hi you know Elizabeth than i ever would so so powerful and wonderful about music. Is that the interpretation of it is in the hearts and the minds of the listener and a lot of times that's separate from the original and ten of the artists. But what you're saying here is this. Is lucas message. So i want to know from both of you. What messages do you hear when you listen to this song. I'll start with you elizabeth. Well i think for me it was just sort of you know you wonder things especially as it gets closer to the time when you're going to meet your child of what are they thinking. Because i when i was pregnant i kept feeling like she was really quirky or something. I dunno things make me laugh or i. The thing about this technology and the thing is that it's it's actually not intellectual music that you know. These sounds aren't chosen. Like i would choose to write something bass or guitar other things. It's just what's created by the impulses and so to me. That's i don't think it's a direct message but it's an interesting way of thinking about it. You know it is. I mean for you. Are you thinking this way to right. It's not intellectual music. But as elizabeth said she was trying to think about the personality of her child. Any person who's been pregnant before knows they're making a lot of movements in the air and once you can actually hear that on an audio level it kinda changes the dynamic in what what. You're actually hearing. What do you hear when when you listen to lucas music for me. The most beautiful outstanding part of the project is this was saying that the no intention behind when we play music. There's an intention anti those feelings that we want to convey with this like autopilot withdraw the driver and send. You're going places that you wouldn't go yourself. Yeah so for me an engineer. He was a beautiful. If you were a kook and they bring you great ingredients a cool experience for sure. Let's hear another song elizabeth Luca is fifteen months old right now and so now you actually know her personality very well. And there's no guessing has she heard the album has. Has she responded in the way. That only a fifteen month old can at this point if she actually is heard it will. She has because When we were mixing the album she was always there so she was exposed to it a lot during the nixon process and she did seem to recognize the music like one time we had something else playing and then switch to this and she kind of looked at both of us like i know what that is yeah. I thought this mix was done. Well how should listeners. Approach this album. I think this was going into a lab without having any chemical background. He was like okay. Let's play this playground of sounds. Let's see what we can do this new way of generating musical writing. Music certainly took us through a totally new journey. Well thank you for allowing us to be on your journey through this album. That was elizabeth hart and yvonne de as my day on the album sounds of the unborn created using the sounds of their daughter while she was in the womb. Lucas also will officially be released in april elizabeth and ivan. Thank you so much. Thank you turn support for here. And now and the following message come from sudi. Why spent months coating when you can build powerful customized applications in days zuhdi offers an affordable solution to build apps for your business apps that integrate into all your current systems and data sources and you're zuhdi subscription always includes unlimited apps and unlimited users. Learn more at zuhdi dot com decades before the civil rights movement of the nineteen fifties and sixties. Marcus garvey attracted millions of followers with a message of black self sufficiency and black nationalism in africa for our black history month special series the seismic influence in complicated legacy of marcus. Garvey listen now to the through line podcasts. From npr president biden is meeting with labor union leaders at the white house today on the agenda infrastructure and green jobs. The meeting follows a new report from a former secretary of housing and urban development. The couldn't form biden's long-term infrastructure plans here now transportation analyst. Seth kaplan has more on this story. Peter hey so. What are the unions on from the white house. And what do we know. So far about president biden's plans what unions always want is jobs good. Jobs and president biden wants to invest a lot in infrastructure particularly clean energy clean transportation projects. He's argued that that can go hand in hand with jobs. He started off on kind of a bad foot with labor unions because one green initiative was to initially To immediately cancelled the keystone pipeline. First day on the job for him and that resulted in layoffs so now he's back to showing look he wants to spend trillions of dollars in that that's going to create a whole lot more jobs in his view than than the keystone cancellation a cost. He's probably learning very quickly. That there are competing interests on every issue right so for sure. there's a new report from the former hud secretary henry cisneros and the kinder- institute for urban research that may be guiding some of his thinking here on infrastructure it identified about eight thousand nine hundred product projects that biden should focus on. Let's take roaming. we're not gonna take through all of them but let's through at least what you think. The priorities look like. They could be right. Well they said there are three big categories. He said essential infrastructure after the pandemic climate resilience and urban rural connections. And one thing. I thought was interesting. One thing in particular that showed up in two of those three categories and that's broadband and peter s. You know for a lot of us. We can joke now about the the dial up internet days but for a lot of americans in rural america especially those days are still here. They still don't have fast internet and that is now essential infrastructure and the report makes that point that infrastructure isn't just what we picture traditionally is infrastructure. You know bridge for example But something like broadband which is still lacks in in a lot of america would require some public investment to get there because the problem. There is that it's just so expensive to do that. The companies that provide a lot of us with fast internet service aren't willing to do it on commercial terms in rural america. What are some of the big ideas for transportation. You are transportation after all you a to clean transportation so that means electric vehicles. First of all we've seen a big movement recently in terms of the big automakers really embracing acknowledging that that that's the future but there to sort of a gap in terms of an opportunity for public incentives to get that going in that of course could create jobs as well and then when it comes to energy focused this week. This report was a long-term project not not prepared with what's going on in texas than elsewhere in mind but we see now all all kinds of needs in that regard to alternative energy could perhaps diversify the the energy supply and help when a situation like this comes up in the future. This is all great in theory. It'll be tough potentially to get any of these things through congress. But we'll see here now transportation analyst. Seth kaplan thank you so much for your time. They feed her. The state of georgia is looking to overhaul. Its citizens arrest statute. It's a statute that was used to defend the three white men that chased shot ahmad arbery black man last summer. Who was out jogging. The ability to arrest citizen dates back to the civil war in it allows citizens to detain someone if a crime is committed in their presence or with their knowledge. There is no evidence that aubrey had committed any crime. Emma hurt from member station w. a. b. e. in atlanta has been following the efforts to change the law and she joins us now emma. Welcome hi tania. Hi so a group of mostly democratic lawmakers began advocating for the repeal of this statute back in may how at this proposal which is spearheaded by the way by the republican governor. Change the ability for a citizen to arrest someone. Yes sir right now. As you mentioned the statute is really vague. Allows anybody if you witness a crime to arrest. Somebody else doesn't say anything. I should add about killing someone. Which is what happened to ahmad aubrey. As we know in this new plan would repeal that statute and replace it with one. That just allows really specific kinds of citizen detainment as they're calling it like a shopowner who witnesses shoplifter and it. Also explicitly prohibits any use of force except in self-defense. Okay as i mentioned this dates back to eighteen sixty three and this. This law was established during really one of the worst periods of racial tension in our history and it's remained unchanged as you said. What was the original intent behind it. Yes provision like this really date back to medieval times kind of the ideas when police couldn't arrive on time or law enforcement wasn't around citizens had to take things into their own hands and the georgia law as you said dates back to eighteen sixty three in the states original code which was which was drafted by secessionist. But we don't know exactly why we don't know what the intent was. We know that georgia leaders have decided that it really leaves too much room for what they're calling vigilantism so people taking the law into their own hands. That's what the men who are in jail for murder. Say they were trying to do. Even though there's been no evidence that he committed the burglary they accused him of. And it's also why are brees. Death has been called a modern day lynching because this really does evoke So much of what we saw in in the south especially in decades past. What's the next step in this process of overhauling the statute. This is a really good chance of passing. Got the governor support other of the state's top republican officials and democratic leaders in the legislature. As well who've been calling for this since may and you know if the past is any indication there was a similar push To pass georgia's hate crimes law in the summer after our brees death and that sailed on through. So we're expecting this to move pretty quickly and smoothly. This is really a second promise that lawmakers made to the brunswick community along with citizens arrest after after the outrage. That's emma hurt with member station w. a. b. in atlanta. Thank you so much. Thank you for having me. Tanya the republican senators who voted to convict former president trump continue to face backlash from their own party. Republican senators bill cassidy of louisiana in richard. Burr of north carolina are the latest to be censured by their state parties. The chairman of the north carolina republican party. Michael watt lee explained his decision today on morning edition. You know as a member of the senate you you have the absolute right to vote your conscience how you feel but at the same time we felt that it was important to put out a statement saying that we disagreed with those actions. Let's get another perspective from douglas. High used to work for senator berries also a former spokesman for the republican national committee. He's on skype douglas. Welcome thank you. And what kind of statement do you think. The north carolina republican's made by censoring senator ultimately adum one. I've known michael watt for a long time. I liked michael but if you look at the statements that he's made he's tried to bend over backwards to say. We still like richard burr. He can make his vote of conscious. But we had to make a decision here. He knows this is the wrong thing to do. And hundreds of state activists doesn't represent the broad swath voters and let's remember richard. Burr wasn't elected to represent republicans he was elected to represent the entire state and then meanwhile since the election in north carolina alone more than fifteen thousand republicans have left the republican party and have registered unaffiliated if i want to elect more republicans north carolina. I don't spend my time fighting one of our own. Who's been there for twenty years fighting for north carolina. I try and register more voters and look to why voters are leaving my party. You say he knows it was the wrong choice. But this vote was unanimous dissent at all. Even in the decision to censure this senator so really no yes i look. I i on cnn with john berman. Yesterday where again. He went a bend over backwards to say. Richard burr. still a good senator. You know having worked for richard br. I know that he focuses on doing the right thing. Burst and doing the politically expedient thing second. So what's going on. i mean what. What are the conditions like out. There that are that are forcing these republican party members to do this why it's a loyalty to donald trump first and foremost and some of that is fundraising. Some of that is wanting to be a part of that team. Even though it's a team that again is hemorrhaging voters in state parties throughout the country. What they're doing unfortunately means that as the party gets smaller it gets trump or so there listening to those loud and angry voices even more but county chairs and st shares are not voters as you know. This is not just happening. In north carolina we've seen essential votes since the election really in places like louisiana arizona wyoming in pennsylvania republicans are considering censoring. Senator pat toomey who voted to convict trump. And here's a county. Republican chairs. name is dave ball. Talking about to vote on k. D. k atv in pittsburgh we did not sent him there to vote his conscience. We did not certain there to the right thing or whatever setting the way we sent him there to represent us. Did you ever think that you would hear something like that from someone in the republican party. Absolutely because i already have. I remember in two thousand fourteen when i worked in the house of representatives are republicans. Were pushing a series of bills that we caught making life work to deal with things like employment training and flex time for working parents and a republican member on the floor said to another. Why are we doing all these things to help people. And so it's not a surprise to me because donald trump is as much of symptom as he is the cause of where republicans are this predated. Donald trump it will outlive donald trump. But the reality is for that. County chair pat toomey. I can't speak for pat toomey but he wasn't elected to serve a particular county party. He was elected to serve all of pennsylvania. And let's not forget that joe biden won pennsylvania right. I'm looking at what happened in utah. Sure you saw the senator. Mike lee voted to acquit. The former president senator mitt romney voted to convict and the state party as republicans. Were talking about century romney. The state party released a statement this week. That said the differences between our own utah. Republicans showcase a diversity of thought. In contrast to the danger of a party fixated on unanimity of thought. What do you think about that statement. And with the what's going on in utah the approach. It's refreshing to hear something like that part of that though is donald trump is not popular in you talked. He underperformed there Last time utah. Republicans no proceed at your own peril if you want to be a part of team. Trump is a dangerous road to be on. We often see national politics through the lens of congress right but how much power do you think. These state and county parties actually have in shifting the dialogue and the direction of politics in this country on the local and state level. They have enormous influence. They have an impact on the structure of the republican national committee. But it's not moving anything. Broadly when it comes to voters in his statement. Michael watt lee talked about the one hundred county chairs but there are a lot more than one hundred republican voters in the state of north carolina. Just as there are in any state and those voters aren't focused on the internal machinations county or state party there looking for issues and results and as republicans spend time going after their own again especially when they're losing. Republican voters is says at twenty twenty two which historically should be a good year for republicans may not be because they're willing to give away voters in the name of trump. Douglas high used to work for north carolina. Senator richard burr also a former. Rnc spokesman. thank you thank you. Scientists trying to map the pacific. Seafloor got an unexpected assist from the world's second largest mammal. These fin whale songs are usually treated as noise by seismologists because they muddy data gathered at the bottom of the ocean but new research published this month in the journal. science found the lao chirps that fin whales. Make actually have a similar effect as the advanced instruments. Seismologists used to peer into the earth's oceanic crust vaslav kuna is a post doctoral fellow at the institute of geophysics in prague. This discovery was part of his research at oregon state university and he joins me now to talk about it. Welcome to the show. Oh thanks for having me. Let's hear a little bit more of what these fin whale chirps sound like these are fin whale calls. That have been sped up ten times so they're audible to the human ear bit. Tell us about when you realize. These sounds might be more than just noise. It was actually quite a coincidence. I was working with seismicity. And we had these ocean bottom seismic stations on the on the ocean bottom and searching through the data and looking On something that was irc related. I realized fin whales. And because i found out that there might be some signals. That are actually not just the water waves that are traveling food water but also some subsurface signals. Give us a sense of how loud these whales are so very long without those are one of the loudest sounds in the ocean. They are about one hundred eighty nine decibels which is comparable to Engines of ships so they are very very loud. Were you surprised. No one else thought to us. Well songs in this way before. Actually yeah. I was quite surprised because for me. I'm being as ice marches. This is kind of an obvious Use of them. But i suppose that mostly female calls and other organizations there have been studied extensively by biologists and by people who are interested in wales themselves. And not that much seismologists that would be looking at it from different perspectives. So yeah. I was quite surprised that nobody has fought of this before. Okay let's break down your work a little bit. So what exactly are you trying to figure out about the sea floor. And how do you typically go about getting that information so in sizemore g. It's a quite common task that we are trying to display. What's underneath the ground. Meaning if you are trying to find out what. The fitness of crust layers are and also the seismic of all city in those layers. And we need to know these things for many applications spike. Oil and gas industry uses this information a lot. But also for scientific applications for geology equatorial g and insides me too so we always need to have some kind of a source of signal that travels beneath the crown and then bounce off layers in the ground and then receivers that can receive these signals and based on the time that the signal travels from the source to the receiver we can calculate the thickness and the velocities within the crust and the source is usually something that is called an air gun which is like a quite large pressurized chamber about those are very expensive and also they create a lot of noise in the ocean that is being debated for ocean wildlife. Oh that's interesting with the air guns. How do the will calls compared to the air guns. They are not as loud as arrogance and also defend wales. They've quite narrow frequency range and the arrogance the much more broadbent so they go from these low frequencies to hundreds of hurts so characteristics of the sound or of the signal definitely favors the however the females are just out there already and you have recorded so many of them and also we just don't need to create artificially those signals that made the wildlife out there. Do you think this Finding reduce the use of air guns in the future. Well the can on definitely replace against because they can penetrate deeper and we can get. Higher resolution of the subsurface using arrogance is very expensive and also is being quite a bit regulated. So i think at some places where we cannot Either afford or cannot use organs for ecological reasons we may get like some supplement from well calls and we can use them in a similar manner butts. Love you're a- seismologist benefiting from biology. But could it go the other way too. I mean finn. Wells are endangered. Could this research help. Biologists and conservationists actually protect them. I think in a way it can also has been studied on ocean bottom seismic stations previously. So i would not say that my study is the first of its kind in this manner studying or using seismological tools to study. Wales is definitely possible. And and we can track whales and we can maybe estimate quantities and yeah methods similar to what i showed him. The paper can be used and can help vialli butts. Kuna is a postdoctoral fellow at the institute of geophysics in prague. Thank you so much for sharing your work with us. Thanks for having me and here. Now is a production of npr. In wb you are association with the bbc world service. I'm tanya moseley bureau this is here.

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The News Roundup For February 19, 2021

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The News Roundup For February 19, 2021

"Hey it's jen just a quick heads up before we start the show. The news is rapidly developing and things may have changed by the time you hear this episode for the very latest news tune into your public radio station and follow updates at npr dot org. This is one a. I'm jen white and washington with the impeachment. Trial put to bed. It was a week of big moves and big promises on hill but for once politiques overshadowed by the weather well sort of whether the decision To go with tone-deaf look he was obviously a mistake. In hindsight i wouldn't have done it. Snow ice and freezing temperatures have swept across the south and southeast hitting texas particularly hard. So let's start in the lone star state with reporter. Amal ahmed of the texas observer will welcome. Thanks for having me so. I know the stories in motion. But what's the latest with what's happening in texas yes so today has been The last couple of days. I think have been better for many texans who you know. Had their power off and there have been really cold and freezing in their own homes for the last couple days So and you know the sun is out here in dallas. So that's certainly been nice But i think the main concern for many people right now. Is the water issues that are coming up and as pipes you know. Pipes threatened to burst and as they thought out. I think that's going to be top of mind for a lot of people in dealing with the damage in the long term If that a bit more about the issue with with water and water treatment plants in hospitals specifically have been impacted Yes so you know from what. I've been hearing You know some water treatment. Plants lost power during the outages. So that certainly You know create a lot of issues around the safety of drinking that water Ask people were trying to drip pipes to stop bursts. And then as pipes were birthday you know everywhere There's also just a shortage of water in the sort of high demand. That i think was was pretty unexpected So there are a lot of folks facing boil water notices or their water has been completely. Shut off to try and stop some of that from from you know getting worse. What are these limitations of these disruptions. What does that mean for for hospitals specifically. Yeah i haven't been tracking that as as closely to be honest. But i've heard that it's it's been really difficult in some places where they're having like flush toilets with snow and melted ice. Whatever they can find. It certainly seems like this is not ideal for you know hospitals and you know trying to. I don't know one account. I saw on twitter was like people you know having to use kitty litter for the bathroom. So certainly certainly doesn't sound safe and not ideal. We got this tweet from katie. Who says the real question is. How can we land a truck and helicopter on mars literally the same day that people die of the cold in texas and the state doesn't seem to be able to do anything to help. How would you describe the state's response. So far yeah I mean i think first and foremost it's it's really important to remember that You know this kind of storm in this kind of arctic front. You know in two thousand eleven. When we had this happen it was expected to be a one in ten year. Kind of event It certainly extreme. But i think we had the warning signs and with climate change. I think you know this level of extreme winter is actually possibly you know be worse when it is extreme even if our overall inches are warming so our state leaders are not planning for climate change Urquhot for all its failures with the technical side of of you know like natural gas plants freezing and equipment feeling right like they're also not modeling demand and supply off of climate modeling So that's certainly an issue that i think we need to hold our leaders accountable to do you think this incident will put some pressure on leaders to update or rethink the straight to the state infrastructure. I certainly hope so. I mean you know. I think that given how widespread this disaster has been you know every single county all two hundred fifty. Four of them have been affected by this You know people are really feeling the effects of it and are suffering right I think people are angry. And i certainly hope that that leads to change At every level. Where where people can can you know. Institute regulation and sort of mandate or enforce those now we know the power is come back on for for some texans. What will you be watching in the days to come yeah One thing that i think is really important. Think about is is how inequitable. This disaster has been So a lot of low income folks A lot of communities of color are. Actually you know more likely to live in housing. That is already inadequate when it comes to insulation and weatherization so You know it's important to think about how much colder has been for people in you know housing like that versus newer bills. And you know more expensive construction And also in terms of dealing with higher heating bills in february and water bills right and they're not a lot of state programs designed to help people with that. The ones that are do exist are already stretched thin in maxed out And that was you know there's already a pandemic on top of that. So i think it's important to think about the financial cost that people will be facing You know in the weeks ahead. A mill. thanks so much for joining us. Thank you. Let's bring in a couple more voices. Shane harris covers national security and intelligence at the washington. Post shane's great to have you. Thanks for having me and also with us. Wendy benjamin sin a politics editor for bloomberg news. Wendy thanks for joining us. Thanks so much for having me. So we heard a bit of him in the intro. But republican senator ted cruz taxes found himself in a lot of hot water. Because of the cold weather shane. What happened well. He may win the award for political tone deafness of the month here Senator cruz was spotted boarding an airplane. Apparently with members of his family Flying to cancun the resort city in mexico. While of course texas is in the grips of the historic Freezing spell Leading to all kinds of questions as to why you know. One of the two senators for this state was was literally jetting out To a vacation destination not clear that he would have disclosed. This had it not been captured on social media and spread pretty quickly. What he is now said is that Members of his family including his children. wanted to get someplace warmer. They too were having problems with the power and the temperatures in their own home that was understandably very uncomfortable and that kind of wanting to be a good dad as he put it his plan was to go down there with and then come back Reporting from airline industry sources indicates. That's maybe not quite true that he had originally planned to come back on saturday and actually changed his ticket to return after his trip had been revealed so we heard in the clip. You played jen. That he's now acknowledging that if you'd had to do this again he might have made a different choice well as tweets. I'm in austin. I lost water sunday. Power monday for ted cruz to blame his ten. And twelve year old kids for his bs. When it turns out his wife was the trip. Leader is just sickening. We're flushing toilets with snow or just going outside this morning. Fox news headline for the story read. Cnn msnbc primetime host. Spend over forty six minutes on ted cruz. Cancun trip few minutes on cuomo scandal. First of all we're going to get to governor andrew cuomo a little later in the hour but secondly this is a lot of national response. But what does this mean for tax. And what is the response in the state. Why thinking there's a state you're gonna find that people are probably not going to this This is obviously Betting being greeted by a lot of people. People i've talked to in texas as a pretty callous and frankly pretty dumb move by the senator. His defenders have said. Well he's a federal official. What can he really do to help. A state problem of course. Senators are the senior representatives. For estate in washington where of course federal resources are being marshaled to try and help texans including through the federal management memory management administration So whether or not this. This will be something that politically catastrophic for ted cruz and his career. But this is not something. Constituents are going to forget. This is quite a bad luck to put it. Mildly republican governor. Greg abbott of taxes had this to say about the caused power outages in his state when speaking to fox news on tuesday are win in our solar shut down and they were collectedly more than ten percent of our power grid and that thrust texas into a situation where it was lacking power in a statewide basis as result it just shows that fossil fuel is necessary for the state of texas as well as other states in the same clip. Abbott said that. What's happening in texas is precisely why green new deal would be harmful to the country though he later walked that statement back. We got this message. From jeremy on facebook you says officials are demanding an investigation but i suspect the ultimate cause is their own inaction in a failure of windy. We're hearing several republican figures blaming the power outages unfrozen wind turbines the loss of solar power. Is that accurate. Well yes and no just to go back to something. The chain said a minute ago. What's interesting to me in our reporting is that very few. Republican officials are taking any criticism of are making any criticism of ted cruz at all which shows that he may survive this politically because all he has to do is win. A primary in that state and then he has an extraordinary democratic opponent. Maybe they could vitally beat him but they haven't been able to yet but in terms of the the the alternative energy sources one of the things. That texas did not do that i. I understand canada's for example canada which gets a lot colder obviously has has wind power in some places in the midwest of their country and they have winterized those things winter always and i say this as someone who lived in texas for twenty years. Winter always seems to catch texas unawares. They never seem to plan for winter. And yes it is. It's rare that it gets this cold but it happens. And so i think they are. Using the fact that they did not winterized their wind turbines. Or prepare for this norman. Any way as an excuse to push the fossil fuel politics and it's important to note here shane that the all the sources of power in texas were impacted. It wasn't just wind turbines. That's right and wind. Turbines is only about ten percent of the power grid in texas in importantly the The governor's arguments were actually undercut by his own energy department and the state which has wendy was pointing out outlined. The most of texas has energy loss came from failure to winter is the power generating systems including those fossil fuel pipelines. So it's more of a systemic problem in texas is unusual in the sense that it also is an independent electrical grid. It's contained within the state of texas can't import power from other Generation facilities outside the state so when it goes down in texas it just goes down well as tweets. Millions are facing boil water and off notices with no end date grocery stores that are not stocked with no end date and unstable power grid with rolling blackouts property damages up and there's been zero accountability for anyone responsible coming up. We go to capitol hill where a new immigration bill is already making waves. It's news roundup support for npr in the following message. Come from better help. Offering online counseling. Better help therapist. 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Shane explain what senate well. It is sweeping as you said this. The centerpiece of it is an eight year path to citizenship for the estimated eleven million undocumented immigrants in the country right now and the way this would work. Is that after passing background checks and paying taxes here they would then be allowed to live and work in the us for five years. After that period those people could apply for a green card which would give them permanent status in the us and a chance to win citizenship. After three more years. So that's kind of the eight year piece of this. Which would really spell out and give people some clarity of if you're going to become a citizen these are the things that you have to go through and that kind of key five piece would be in the beginning before you get your green card. There would also be a fast tracking process for immigrants who came into the country with their parents at a young age. Those are also known as dreamers along with some provisions for farm workers and past recipients people who previously had received temporary protected status like people who fled wars. So it's a pretty all encompassing package from the standpoint of You know doing immigration reform at one fell swoop And importantly would probably increase immigration flows into the country. I think administration officials acknowledged acknowledged that but at the same time. It's not clear how much they would go up. Let's talk about the political reality of this abed and whether democrats have the kind of bipartisan support. They need to pass this. I think they don't is the short answer right now. Out of the gate you had very strong reactions to this negative reactions from republicans James comber of kentucky. Who's the ranking republican on the house oversight and reform committee said democrats could not be more wildly out of touch with america's needs Senator tom cotton who i think is an aspirin to run in two thousand twenty. Four president said this immigration plan is a disaster. He's working with senator romney from utah on a plan as well and cotton said that the the biden plan would do nothing to secure the borders but would grant what he called mass amnesty and welfare benefits and this issue of border. Security of course is going to be key to a president. Trump ran on building a wall when the border with mexico portions of which were completed it became a symbol. I think of of republicans kind of approach some of them to kind of getting tough entreating immigration as a national security border. Security issue importantly presidents from both parties have tried to pass comprehensive immigration reform. Before it's not as republicans don't want to do it but this issue has become extremely polarized with regards to the border. Wendy yesterday biden also issued a memo with some new and arguably narrower directives for immigration and customs enforcement. I better known as ice. What's in there of. I will tell you about that in just a second. I just want to quickly go back to something. Shane said about within the democratic party. Politics biden was free freer this time to To not include a lot of border security in the bill because democratic attitudes within within the party shifted to the left on immigration pretty much thanks to former president. Trump's you know hard line policies. So no i think chain is absolutely right. He's not going to get a lot of republican votes of any but he also will be able to not only keep progressive happy but also those moderate suburban that he needs so badly as well but then he issued this memo as you mentioned and That memo gives some more authority to is to continue to deport certain Certain people criminals and such and that has very much irritated his people on his left flank. Who say that. He is not not leaving in place. Some of trump's policies and that's just a bridge too far for them well the aclu call the memo quote. Disappointing step backward. When did your mind. How important is it for. The biden administration to get significant movement on immigration reform. I think it's significant. But i think it's second i believe it would be second to covert and economic recovery. I think everything comes after that too many many people but then immigration is is pretty darn high. You know that was one of the things that really toward people's heartstrings. During the trump administration the pictures of children in cages the lost children the people jammed up at the border on the mexico side. Who have nothing to go back to off at or Nicaragua guatemala and these So i think it. I think it comes very very high but after we get our own house in order i do think out spines top priority house speaker. Nancy pelosi announced this week. She wants to form an independent commission to investigate the january sixth insurrection at the us capitol and this is being compared to the independent commission that studied the nine eleven terrorist attacks when he what would a commission like this do and what its findings have any legal impact. I'm not sure. The commission's findings would have any legal impact. And we've seen these over the years as you mentioned the nine eleven commission of course going way back the warren commission on the kennedy assassination. And things like that but what they do do i think is give some political cover to people who might not otherwise feel that they can speak out so you had you know mcconnell's vote to acquit senate minority leader. Mitch mcconnell's vote to quit the other day. But then he gave this. You know excoriating blistering speech about how awful President trump's actions were the commission if it finds trump at fault if it finds other republicans at fault It could be a means to To to not only strengthen lawsuits or criminal investigations against but could give some political power to republicans. Who are afraid to speak out now. They could say well. Look this independent commission senate. It's not just Jamie raskin hussein goes it is In fact you know and bipartisan commission filled with the republicans. Well we are seeing legal action related to the events of january. Sixth the acp and democratic congressman bennie thompson or suing former president trump and rudy giuliani. Their suit claims the to violate at the ku klux klan. Act of eighteen. Seventy one by to incite the riot at the. Us capitol on january six. Shane tells a little bit more about this lawsuit and in some of the potential penalties Guiliani trumper facing. It's really interesting. Mean coming from a member of congress as you pointed out it is alleging essentially this conspiracy between former president. Trump has lawyer and two of these far right groups in the oath keepers Essentially kind of some of the same elements if you will of the case. Only maybe even going a bit further with conspiracy piece as was at his impeachment trial. Which also novel about. This is it's using the statute enacted in eighteen seventy one ku-klux-klan act which was enacted the civil war and was meant to bar Violent interference in congress's constitutional duties. Well that is precisely what what you could argue happened when this violent mob arguably at the president's storm to capitol to try and halt the counting of electoral votes so there's some novelty in the the statute itself. I don't think there's ever been a case brought this way. But i think what it's showing is that there are people who believe that there's credible evidence to show that there was some kind of conspiracy here now. This would result in a criminal charges. A civil case right these are private individuals bringing it but there are we know investigations going on I think at least the dc Us attorney Impossibly mothers have been looking into the question of whether there could be criminal charges and notably senator mcconnell and that speech that wendy mentioned when he said. I don't think the impeachment process is the appropriate venue for convicting the president Pointed out that there are krivel and seminal channels to do. This seemed almost be encouraging the very kind of lawsuit that we're seeing congressman thompson in the brings and wendy. The former president is facing. I'm investigations related to january six. But that's not the only legal challenges he's facing right now. Oh no there's The southern district of new york. The us attorney's office there in The covers new york city is looking at every aspect of his taxes of his debts of his businesses. He probably still faces faces investigations over numerous things here And i think you know hitting a guy like donald trump in his pocket. Book is probably more effective than you know. Accusing him of inciting insurrection in terms of In terms of you know damaging his him but in terms of You know. I think what democrats are trying to do now is to keep donald trump from running again. Keep his children from running for office to sort of end. The trump political dynasty like here now and These lawsuits may not work. A criminal investigation might work One thing they do have to be very careful of is inspiring his base to be even more loyal to him. You know the more and more and more you attack him the more and more and more has base Riles up and that That obviously is what he's trying to tempt tamp down wentz on these three conservative networks in a matter of hours the other night and continued to claim that he won the election And continued to and. of course you know when Went off on mitch. Mcconnell very briefly. Shane are can testimony or findings from the impeachment. Trial be used in in a case like what. We're seeing from the acp and congressman thompson. It's a good question. If you were a commission. I would given Kind of the effect of a tribunal by congress maybe Certainly there would be interested in the public record and a commission might have subpoenaed authorities so there might be an argument that you could put this into evidence. Certainly you could call in these cases the same witnesses. That would testify before the commission shane. This looks like the new reality for mitch mcconnell for the foreseeable future. How do you think he'll deal with trump shouting at him from the sidelines. While i suspect it senator mcconnell anticipated this and we should underscore too that you know for for people who have followed him very closely over his career. The thing that matters most to mitch mcconnell is either keeping his majority in the senate or getting it back and now he's focused on getting it back and i think you can read and the way that he responded with that speech on the floor and also the way. He responded throughout the the impeachment process is that he wasn't going to convict president but at the same time he wasn't going to hold him up as blameless a so he made the calculation. I think that you know for the long term prospects of the majority republicans in the senate. It was more important to distance himself in themselves from the president then to adhere to him. That's not the case in the house. By the way where you find members far more fervently embracing the president including some members being outspoken advocates of conspiracy theories about the election and whatnot. That sound like donald trump's kind of talking points. So i think that mitch mcconnell just understand that this is the way it is to be right now between Himself as the leader of republicans in the senate and the former president I suspect i'll never speak again. Donald trump made that clear and this just unbelievably blistering letter. Now have mcconnell standing up and saying. The president bears responsibility for an attack on the congress. It's hard to imagine how the two of them would ever reconcile clearly. Mcconnell believes the party needs to go in a different direction. Well meanwhile wendy trump is given some indication of how he plans to use whatever political power he can will he says oh back. Pro-trump republicans in congressional primaries. But i'm thinking about the. Kansas governor's race in two thousand eighteen. A republican crisco bach was so far right that moderate conservatives voted for a democrat. Laura kelly's could this plan backfire. The the issue. I think now is that the the rnc is run by a trump loyalist. Ronna mcdaniel and tom hicks. Who was national finance chairman of one or trump's campaigns the state parties if you've seen the censures of the senators who voted to convict trump of incitement of insurrection. The their state. Republican parties censured them for being disloyal to trump so in terms of who wins primaries. Which you need to either be a registered republican in many states to vote in the primary. So independence and democrats can't vote in someone else's primary In those cases. I think there is infrastructure to help pro-trump candidates continue to run and possibly win Not republicans who are not in favor of trump for nationalism or that brand of politics don't really have anywhere to go. I mean some of them sure will vote for a democrat. some of them who are old style. Conservative just can't bring themselves to vote for a democrat. But they're not gonna vote for you know lauren. Beaubourg or marjorie taylor green either so so. I think this effort that evan mcmullan is putting forth to try to to come up with some infrastructure for those people whether it's a third party or a super pac to give them some funding might be the only way to mitigate pro-trump candidates winning republican primaries. So there's this tension here where mitch mcconnell is trying to pull the gop. In one direction are saying state level republican legislatures an parties still supporting trump. And then. We got this email from tom. Who says some safer media personalities. Any news is good news. Maybe the best way to deal with trump and minimize his influence is to just him lawsuits will just provide more fodder. He'll fight up to the supreme court time shane. We hear this intimate a lot. But is trump going anywhere. I think that's just the the realistic question ask. He's not an and i think he's made that clear. Even these these The blitz of appearances. He did this week. I mean. I think the the listener who've emailed in is expressing an important point in that he isn't ex president and we need to keep that in mind we journalists when we cover him We don't traditionally cover ex. Presidents had any great detail at the same time ex presidents. do not exert this kind of hold on their party and declare open warfare with the senate minority minority republican leader in basically put themselves forward. And say i'm staying. I'm going to be a kingmaker. I'm going to go on tv. I may start a social media company with my own. So trump is as he did so many times in the past four years is breaking the mold and that is going to require that we pay attention. He is water You know. Republicans like it or not is arguably still the most influential person in that party well and wendy very briefly. He's an ex president who only served a single term in his thus far not been blocked from running for office again so that is a little threat that continues to hang over the gop as well. Yes absolutely you know he and he's going to keep dangling that out as long as possible you know. He loves the drama. He loves the drum roll. And so you know for. I don't know if it'll be ted cruz anymore. But for chris. Christie and tom cotton and nikki haley. And all these people who are thinking about running in two thousand four. I mean. they're sort of frozen in time until trump makes a decision. And because he will you know suck up all the energy in the universe if he does run and that that could You know sort of slow down there. Fashions coming up president biden and make some big promises when it comes to covid nineteen deliver. I'm jen white will hear more from you. And our guests in a moment support for npr and the following message come from better help offering online counseling. Better help therapist. Hassoo joe knows that lockdown has been hard on us as humans we as people are hardwired to connect with others which this whole time is so difficult the connection that happens between people and be very powerful and how healing it can be to have a healthy relationship with someone to get matched with a counselor within forty eight hours and save ten percent. Go to better help dot com slash one in recent mass shootings people have been targeted for who. They are who they worship. But on june twenty. Eight twenty eight people were targeted for the job. They do at a newspaper listened to the new series from. Npr's embedded about the survivors at the capital gazette. Now let's get back to the news roundup. I want to bring one more voice into the conversation. Dr james hamlyn is a staff writer at the atlantic. And he's a lecturer at the yale school of public health. Dr hamlin welcome to one a. Thank you for having me. President joe biden has a new time line for when we'll be back to normal as my mother would say with the grace of god. The goodwill neighbors that by next christmas i think will be very different circumstance. God willing than we are today. I think a year from now when it's twenty below zero here know a year from now. I think that there'd be significantly fewer people having to be socially distanced have to wear masks. But we don't know now. His prediction came during cnn. Townhall earlier this week you heard him. Make a bit of a caveat there at the end but dr hamlin. He also said we'll have widespread vaccinations by july. How does that sound that. Timeline sound to you. I think that sounds very feasible and from experts who i've spoken to. It could be even sooner. I think the barriers there still some open questions but if people continue to be enthusiastic about getting vaccinated and responsible in the lead up to that period. I think and i just wrote about this kind of the atlantic but it's a difficult conversation but i think summer actually will feel in lots of ways much closer to normal and just because of the season -ality we've seen people can get out and if vaccinations continue to roll out i think for the. Us specifically things are going to rapidly improve when we talk about vaccine distribution. We know there have been some hiccups in in that process in the us. How what are the hurdles that remain to getting widespread vaccination distribution especially for vulnerable communities. Oh wait again. I think we are the biden. Ministration is sort of starting from scratch in trying to have a federal plan beyond just getting states vaccine's and letting them do as as they will. One issue is that we have very different levels of infection and population immunity already in the country. For example in north dakota it seems they are very near to herd immunity effect already because they had so many cases and meanwhile in vermont. You've had about two percent of the population has had a reported case. There's still a lot of potential for a big spike there. And so i think you could do more to think about. Do we need to federally get back more vaccines to vermont. Where they're more likely to save lives. And how can you have this view from a federal level just to make sure that these things are getting allocated to where the most beneficial because we vaccinating a healthy. Twenty-something is just vastly less valuable than vaccinating older ha- a risk person. Well biden has said we will have more than six hundred million vaccine doses by july nearly enough to fully vaccinate everyone in the country the spread of variants camp complicate that calculus dr hamlin. The biden administration is promised roughly two hundred million dollars in federal funds to study these variance. But what do we know about them. Now well the virus constantly evolving into each time someone's infected evolves within you during the course of infection so the the real key to stopping is to stop transmission and to get case counts lower and thankfully the vaccines that are being used in the us and the strains that are dominant in the us. Nothing seems to change the calculus of that they will be extremely effective and the faster we can get people vaccinated and continue to slow transmission. The lower the likelihood that we're gonna see development of new strains that might be able to circumvent armenian systems a unlikely. They're not going to render the totally useless. But you know if the effectiveness drops slightly that that could be significant so we just want to do everything right now to minimize the potential for that evolution. Which is long as there are still many many cases around the world. We cannot feel certain that are going to absolutely remain as effective as they are now. President biden has set a goal to reopen schools within his first one hundred days in office but some parents did a double take this week when he specified that he meant k. through eight schools vice president. Khama harris reiterated that goal on the today show so our goal is that as many k. through eight schools as possible will reopen as within the first hundred days. Our goal is that they will be five days a week. Abidance says he always meant k. Through eight schools but some say he's moving the goalposts. Wendy what's been happening. When it comes to his administration covid and schools. There's been a tremendous amount of confusion. Jan they they do keep sort of changing their messaging and this is an administration that you know it was Quite a change at the starting in january to see message discipline coming from white house again. But i'm this one. The seemed to be having trouble you know getting a story sticking to it if you will they I think part of it is the all the various stakeholders that they're dealing with. I mean i think we all have co workers stuck at home with school aged children and obviously k. Through eight is harder to work while your children are at home than it is with high school kids but nevertheless high school is very very important place to be every day and i see even in neighborhoods around where i live. That i know are liberal. You're seeing signs open. The schools now open the schools. Now you've got the parents on the one hand you've got the teacher's union on the other hand where older teachers certainly want to be vaccinated. Even younger teachers feel that they are danger. If they shouldn't go back if they go back to school with you know these little kids who might be you know spewing the virus everywhere although i Are james can correct me on this. I don't think children are huge. Transmitters biden has a lot of different voices to answer to and then let's remember. It's really not up to him. He doesn't control the school systems. That's the most local government we have. And so you know at some point. It's going to be out of his hands. Well dr hamlin. What do we know at this point about children. As as being people who pass this virus onto others yet children can transmit the virus. They don't transmitted as often as adults. They're at a vastly lower risk for severe disease and we know that having kids out of school has health consequences social consequences for them. You know affects the whole society. So i think it's very right to prioritize those school openings. My hope would be that. It's done when teachers and faculty who are at risk of severe disease are vaccinated which should be very feasible in the very near-term if not already done and that also comes with infrastructure changes which would help all the time you know do all kinds of respiratory illnesses including the flu kills tens of thousands of americans every year are transmitted between kids and brought home to families every year and having good ventilation and pre it system to try to create good airflow in schools will be you know that's a lasting benefit and something that we could invest in in this moment and i want to be careful not to paint Each group with too broad a brush. Because i've heard from teachers who wanna be back in the classroom but are also concerned not just with their own health but the the health of vulnerable family members in their own households and the same from parents who may have children with asthma or other health complications and may also have members of their family. Who are vulnerable groups. So it's it's a really complicated issue it really is. I mean we can step back and look at the aggregate statistics which do show that. Schools are quite safe. Relatively speaking to other you know places where people congregate the. Cdc has said that schools can safely reopen as long as they take certain. Safety measures like social distancing the ventilation that james is talking about all things at schools are very good at controlling. These are already regulated environment where the students behavior is enforced and there are rules. But that doesn't get you down to the micro level and if you are the parent of a child who already has some health concerns and covert infection. Good put them at risk. You're not necessarily eager to send them back either and the issue vaccinating teachers while they are certainly there have been other essential workers on the front lines for months that have been back at work that have not been vaccinated. It does raise this sort of underscores. The question about how poor the vaccine planning roll out was by the previous administration. And and how this is really kind of in some ways a plane that is only beginning to get some lift and hasn't been able to take off yet that we can't just put teachers to the front of the line and say do it and be done with it already as james says we may get there but a lot of this is is playing catch up In arguably should have been planned out already particularly the reopening of the schools. I mean when we had a vaccine developed in ten months which was an astonishing scientific feat that we didn't have a logistics plan for vaccinating people. I'm jen white. You're listening to one. A. we're talking to shane. Harris of the washington post when he benjamin senate bloomberg news dr james hamlin of the atlantic and the gaels school of public health will democratic governor andrew. Cuomo of new york has come under fire in his home state for an alleged cover-up involving covert nineteen deaths in nursing homes. Governor cuomo spoke to reporters about the debacle earlier this week. In retrospect should've prioritized providing more information to be clear all the deaths in the nursing homes and in the hospitals were always fully publicly an accurately reported the fbi and the us attorney in brooklyn both launched investigations into cuomo's office over the incident. But when you help us understand what happened here you know i. I think we're going to have to find out our detail. It looks like Initially disclosed that eight thousand five hundred people had died in long term care and new york and it turns out it was fifteen thousand. So now you know there are We know that he was moving. Cuomo the governor. The i should say state. Health officials were moving patients from hospitals two nursing homes and those obviously are the most vulnerable People in this virus and so now they're looking into Whether he cooked the books on the numbers essentially and You know this is set up a war between him and de blasio the mayor of new york city. and that's an intra democratic war. It's This isn't good for a guy who last summer i believe we were talking about. Wow maybe he should replace biden at the top of the ticket. It's quite a change now. Seeing the governor has expressed regret but he hasn't apologized and he's insisting there was no cover-up but what other fallout could he face from this. Well there's the investigations that you pointed to and he can insist there wasn't a cover up at the same time what we're seeing as revelations that in fact the state did not provide full data to legislators on the number of nursing home residents who died of this disease And this is you know after the justice department announced a probe into the handling of the pandemic. So you know the governor can say there wasn't a cover up but this is really gonna depend on what and when they transmitted in terms of the data And and in terms of the political fallout. it could be immense. I mean as wendy pointed out you know. People were talking about cuomo running for president. He became such the public face of how public officials should competently respond to the virus. Remember how devastated new york and particularly new york city were by covid nineteen disproportionately even to other parts of the country. You know governor. Cuomo is on tv. Every day talking to people talking about the science talking about the facts enforcing social distancing in was the contrast to president trump. Who seemed to not only not taken seriously but mislead people about the course of the pandemic to now find out That he was potentially covering data on top of the allegations which go back to some months ago that he was sending patients into nursing homes. Which of course was the most dangerous place to put them. is potentially a really spectacular collapse of his political career. Well dr hamlin does access to this data matter particularly in the medical world during an outbreak. Like this i think especially in those early phases where it seems like forever ago but we did not understand we know anything about these brand new the even just the disparities. Pardon my dog. The disparities between who is most at risk and exactly how we need to allocate our precious resources to keep deaths as low as possible during a time before we have. Vaccinations me can't just clothes. Every thing for an entire year having having that data is very important but primarily the most important thing you can have from public officials during a pandemic is just transparency entrusts and that that gum it from having people agree to follow these intense preventive guidelines even asked to follow closed. Businesses closed schools to wear masks to get tested now to get vaccinated that requires just warmest. Trust that the people who are in charge know what they're doing and when you find out that there's anything but absolute transparency that risks throwing off the entire response well. The biden administration has promised to pour one point six billion dollars into nineteen testing. What do we know about where that money's going to go dr hamlin I don't know specifically. But i if i if it were mind to allocate it would be rapid testing. You know. i think we're seeing cases fall dramatically right now and we're seeing vaccination ramp up really quickly and we do not want to lose sight of the fact that the wage you Contain isolated outbreaks as they pop up and we should expect that they will in the fall in the winter is to have been able to rapidly deploy tests. You don't wanna have shut down entire states or entire cities and you could do that by rapidly testing. Tracing in a way that we just abjectly failed to do during the The past year of the pandemic. that's dr james hamlyn. He's a staff writer at the atlantic and a lecture at the yale school of public health. Windy benjamin sin is a politics editor at bloomberg news and shane harris covers national security and intelligence for the washington post. Thanks to you all one as lead audio engineer and sound designer. Is jake cherry. He gets technical assistant from ben. Privet mike kid and rashad. Young ailing humphries is the producer and editor of one on demand. Gabrielle healey is our digital editor. in chris. costano is producer up next the international segment of the news. Roundup support for this podcast and the following message come from k. Bound in support of the david gilkey and zaba ulitsa monitor memorial fund established to strengthen npr's commitment to training and protecting journalists in high risk environments support for npr comes from newman's own foundation working to nourish the common good by donating all profits from newman's own food products to charitable organizations that seek to make the world a better place. More information is available at newman's own foundation dot org so we're back one hundred seven days. After leaving the paris climate accord today. The united states has officially rejoined the agreement. Also this week. The french president emmanuel macron urges europe. And the us to send up to five percent of their vaccine supplies to developing nations protests. Turned deadly in myanmar. And there's a bit of a falling out between australia and big tech. That matters to all of us our guests on the roundup this week. Our ishani the roar. He sean is a foreign affairs columnist at the washington. Post and host of the papers newsletter. Today's world view. Welcome thanks for having me also with us. Robert robbie grammar diplomacy and national security reporter at foreign policy robbie. Welcome to be here and nancy yousef reports on national security for the wall street journal. Hi nancy hi great to be with you. So let's start with some of the latest news that concerns. Us relations with two of the biggest players in the middle east israel and iran on thursday the biden administration so now its strongest signal yet to re engage with iran over a deal known as the joint comprehensive plan of action or jcp. Oei nancy. explain what's going on. so there is a meeting between Secretary state anthony blinken virtual meeting. I should say and his counterparts. In germany. The uk and france and in that call he signalled that the us would be ready to enter talks. That was followed by a statement from the state department. Signaling the same that if the e you were to put forward Such a a a meeting that that the us would be willing to engage and so it was sort of the first opening salvo and restarting talks. The challenge is several fold one iran. Respondents said we're not gonna meet and less the us lift sanctions and this has been the sort of initial source of tension about who's going to sort of make the real formal i move. Will the us release some of sanctions pressure or will iran adhere to limits on its Atomic program on top of that This is A deal where talks where. It's not clear whether the us is interested in re entering the deal that it was in two thousand fifteen or adding new parameters into it and it's coming at a time when the environment change where we could be talking to china and russia's part of these talks or regional allies so we saw an opening but i think what we really saw more than anything is how much more challenging arguably these talks will be than the ones in two thousand fifteen well. And he's sean. Can you help us understand what we might be hearing in public over what we might might be said in private between the two well in public. We've been in this kind of blinking staring contest for the past month since i came to office whereas now he said the iranians have insisted that they're not doing anything until the us drops the sanctions that the trump administration imposed on iran while the americans in the vitamin station have been We're not going to be doing anything. Until iran takes the first move and scales back some of its enrichment operations which they scaled up after being targeted by us sanctions. So now we're seeing that there is something of an off ramp that With the help of the eu Brokering these Some kind of set talks The various parties are gonna meet. There is obviously at this point. No clear timeline for For what what could be the resumption of both iran and the united states Fulfilling the terms of this deal made in two thousand fifteen and of course the looming things right now is that the iranians have threatened They threatened to block u. n. inspectors starting next week if the us sanctions. Don't get dropped so we're entering a pretty delicate moment. And as nancy said there's no reason to be particularly optimistic that We're going to get get get get clear results pretty soon earlier this week. President biden finally got on the phone with with israeli prime minister. Benjamin netanyahu yahu this comes after a month of being in office white house press secretary. Jen psaki said that the delay in communications was quote. Not an intentional. This as israel's of course and ally israel is a country where we have an important strategic security relationship and our team is fully engaged. Not at the at the head of state yet level quite yet but very soon But our team is fully engaged having constant conversations at many levels With the israelis robbie. What do we know about why it did takes along. Well one thing is clear. President biden does not share the same level of deep skepticism toward israel as the Further left in progressive of of the democratic party here but this is still a stark shift from the trump administration trump was was close maybe closer than than any other president. In modern history with with his israeli counterpart and and brandished himself is the most pro israel president in. Us history so the fact that that biden did take a month To to call up netanyahu on when he in his first days in office issued a flurry of of calls with with his closest european allies does does show and does signal that that for for the israelis there. There is a new sheriff in town here. and i think Adding another layer attention to. This is exactly what you sean. Answer talking about the iran nuclear deal. Israel has also signalled. It's it's pretty uneasy about Biden's plans to re entered negotiations with iran on so that could further inflame tensions between israel and the united states. Right now and he's not. What have we been hearing from the former. Us secretary of state. Well anything that the the by ministration does right now is being framed as we and as a series of concessions The trump administration officials secretary of state pompeo Former national security adviser. John bolton are framing. Any kind of attempts for upper small as as a an unnecessary loss of leverage over the iranians. And i mean the counter argument to that is that you know what has the so-called leverage achieved. Iran is theoretically closer to be capable of producing a nuclear weapon than it was when trump came to power and We haven't seen iranians Curb their malign quote unquote malign activities in the region. So so this is going to be. They're going to rolling political arguments here in washington to jump on the the question of netanyahu. What is quite clear. And what's been communicated is that while biden remains very fond of israel and and these rarely relationship matters to him. His relationship in yahoo matters a bit less. Israel has elections next month. And and we've already seen that. The vitamin station is playing it. Cool partially because they don't want to yoke themselves. Danny israel politician the way trump did and they don't want they don't want to let yahu yoke himself to the american government. The way trumpeted as well. Well let's stay in the region for the moment because this week. Israel's largest healthcare provider reported the pfizer vaccine reduced symptomatic infections by ninety four percent. It also found that ninety. Two percent were less likely to develop severe illness from the virus. Right this is one of the first real world studies. We've gotten what do these results mean for israel and for the rest of the world. Yeah well israel's are really interesting test case that that the rest of the world is watching it. It's got three things going for it that that other countries might not The i is a is a small population With a large supply of vaccines but that's also coupled with a centralized healthcare system that can coordinate complex logistics like like a massive vaccine rollout As some of my other colleagues have reported. I think that a lot of policymakers and health experts are going to be watching to as a litmus test to see if herd immunity can work with with regards to the coronavirus pandemic But but at the same time it's israel's facing a bit of an uphill battle after after stage one of the vaccine campaign because they They now face this this difficult task of trying to coax vaccine skeptics. Younger israelis are members of more insular communities in in the country including Or ultra-orthodox jewish community in some arab israelis to take Go in and get the shot so so y without those communities getting the vaccines it's unclear whether that That end goal of achieving heard community can can happen But it's definitely far and ahead the leader in the world right now of getting his population vaccinate. Nancy bring us up to speed on the vaccination role in the gaza strip. Well we saw an important development. This week There is a shipment that arrived with wednesday into the gaza strip was the first time that they had received such shipment that the challenge is. It's only two thousand doses and this is one of the most densely populated areas of the world. Roughly two million people are twelve thousand medical personnel. And so we saw Officials are trying to figure out whether those doses would go to some of the medical staff or some of the high risk patients and the politics of the region with a backdrop in that distribution there were some israeli politicians who said that the delivery of those supplies should be bargaining chip to release captives held in gaza and And the other thing that we saw those vaccines were different than the ones that that were going over the other side of the wall on the israeli side and that they are russian made and that they only require basic storage to and so i point that out to say that i think what we saw was not only sort of the the first distribution and in such an impoverished area but by extension a real distribution highlight really of the global inequality that we're seeing with distributions in terms of when they're arriving how they're arriving how many are arriving and and so i think that the case in gaza highlighted that the rate of new coronavirus cases falling both in the us worldwide in nearly one hundred ninety million doses of the vaccine have been administered across the globe but the international rollout is uneven. Here's the chief of the world. Health organization tedros adhanom. More than three quarters of those boxy nations are in just ten countries that account for almost sixty percent of global gdp almost one hundred thirty countries with two point. Five billion people are yet to administer. A single does presidential biden is expected to announce today that the us will spend four billion dollars to eight the international vaccine roll out and get more doses in the arms of people across the globe. Robbie one more. Do we know about how that money will be spent well they. The administration hasn't come out with specific details on how it spent. But i think it's significant because it's a it's jet another big shift away from from the trump administration Did this program to supply the rest of the world with with vaccines known as covax. Under trump the united states and russia were virtually the only countries in the entire world that that didn't sign up. So so it's yet another signal that that the biden administration is taking a more internationalist approach to to fighting the corona virus And i think it's worth pointing out that that health experts in Public officials say that this is not this is not just about charity. I mean The corona virus if it spreads and takes root in the developing world in countries where they don't have the rate are adequate health infrastructure data. How corona virus can mutate into something potentially more dangerous and deadly and and filter its way back into. Us borders here so so sort of the approach of What they what they call acce- nationalism of each country. Just trying to take care of. Its own isn't isn't that sustainable And i think a lot of public health experts. Her are cheering this this initiative to try to Get more vaccines out to the rest of the world. Well in french president emmanuel macron had another idea this week about how to get more vaccines to developing countries schon. What did suggest yes in an interview with the financial times. He suggested that the europe and the us donate Something around five percent of the doses. They've already ordered To poorer countries in his in his comments he was specifically talking about africa but to the developing world or two nations. That don't have the same capacity to order and procure these vaccines. What's interesting and he. He yacky made the argument that the robbery was saying that. This is not a question of ethics morality. It's one of pragmatism when you're dealing with a global public health crisis But what's important to note. Is that this is not. You know this doesn't really even come at the expense of your own national public their calculations right now that the us even though it feels like there's a shortage of supply that by the time every american vaccinated the us itself may have half a billion surplus doses hanging around. You already have instances in europe where people aren't even taking the astrazeneca vaccine because they don't want their worry about side effects so there is a recognition that there's actually In the grand scheme of things. A great deal of oversupply because of some of the the kinds of of vaccine nationalism and stockpiling the already happened in the past few months well. Zimbabwe began vaccinating. Its citizens only yesterday. It's the third country in africa to do so it received two hundred thousand donations doses donation from china. Nancy on this unequal vaccine rollout issue. Does this just come down to economics. The richest countries are disabled to buy more vaccines or something else at work. I think that's part of it. I think There is Distrust among some populations about using the vaccine. I think all countries are challenged by distribution problems. and you know the in terms of the finances what we saw in places like the european union was that there was sort of collective buying a vaccine whereas some of these other countries are doing it individually and to sort of buy in bulk and and kind of have the deals at one would get if they bought with other countries. The the other thing. I would point out that There's a diplomacy part of this as well that we've seen efforts by countries like china and russia to leverage their ability to create vaccines. That are easier to store that are cheaper as an entree into some of these countries. And i think that's played a factor as well in terms of how how we've seen Vaccines purchased well the. Who also took a step monday with hopes to get more doses to countries. Sean can you tell us the latest about the emergency authorization. The astra zeneca vaccine while. Yes so this is an approval that a lot of a lot of people are waiting for because the astra zeneca vaccine is much easier to to distribute distribution parts of the world that don't have the infrastructure needed save the coal storage for example for the pfizer vaccine and it's also a considerably cheaper So we've already seen a number of countries order major shipments of the vaccine and they're waiting for delivery and roll out now at the same time. There are concerns about this vaccine. It's believed to have greater side effects. than the pfizer medina Vaccines and there are also concerns about its ability to reckon with some of the variants that we're seeing popping up in various parts of the world so just with this authorisation and with the advent of greater distribution of the astrazeneca vaccine. It doesn't necessarily mean the turning the tide in some of these parts of the world that are at this point vaccine desserts. Nancy are we seeing any. Push back from against western leaders. Who who want to join this effort to help build a more equal distribution of the vaccine globally. I think what we're seeing sort of a different priority for because in some countries They're having their own distribution problems. They're saying we need to vaccinate more of our own populations before we we distribute. I do think that this idea is waning. We heard this week for example from the who director-general who said if we stop fighting any front it'll come roaring back. I think the idea is subsiding as ours. People realizing these new variants and a new ways that the the the disease is spreading through the world that there is no option of sort of looking at it as just a problem within borders that that vaccines are critical to stop new variants to be able to reopen economies around the world. Something that now happens in. South africa could fundamentally affect how a vaccine works in the united states. How the economy's able to reopen. And so i think that is mitigating. Some of those concerns but the challenges that each country's also having its own complications in terms of distribution gaining public trust and taking vaccines that i think is limiting the ability to really treat this as a global effort one specifically for the biden administration which is still in. Its early days. And we know we're facing some hurdles with vaccine distribution here in the us but how much does it matter that he's joining this effort and and sounds like forty two different relationship with the who than the trump administration had. I think it's tremendous because under the you know the the world community depends on the world health organization now for distribution to poor countries for research that we saw in terms of how the disease developed to begin with and so under the trump administration had lost sort of a credibility footing support Because there was such a distancing from it it's it's as much practical in terms of the funding that the us is going to provide but also in terms of creating a framework in which the international community can work. Tackle this problem together. So i think it's a significant development for those who want to see this as a joint effort Because of the rhetorical change because of the practical changes. We'll talk about the significance of this move from a national security perspective. Yeah i mean the. I've talked to two people In both the trump and biden administration who who characterized the entire coronavirus response is the biggest national security failing and in united states history. I mean You know approaching almost half half a million deaths here The united states seemed unprepared. There there were slapdash. Lockdowns state by state that really exacerbated the spread of the virus. And so there's so many there's so many knock on effects on on the national security side here that that we're going to see play out in the in the coming months and years And i think getting the virus back under control is is one of the top. Priorities are not just biden's domestic team but also for his is foreign policy team. Which is why you're seeing such a such a major diplomatic. Push on the world stage to try to coordinate with more these countries and and Dedicate hundreds of millions of dollars more to fighting the virus. Let me sean. How much of. This is an opportunity for the biden administration to rewrite the narrative of the us's role on the global stage. It's a significant Part of it. You have biden actually as we were chatting right now he is addressing the munich security conference ways essentially we articulating this kind of promise of restoring american leadership on the world stage or a certain kind of american american contribution to the liberal world order and fighting the pandemic is of course at the top of the agenda And and and we're going to see to what extent these new promises about funding kovacs and really taking taking the lead in a certain way on helping other parts of the world with their vaccine distributions. We're going to see how much the us can deliver in the coming months into your thoughts. I think it's The premier national. I cover the pentagon and i've spent twenty years hearing people describe Sort of traditional threat. and what. you're seeing i think is because the impact of covert that we're redefining covid. Excuse me that we're redefining. What a national security threat is and so as you see this redistribution finances and priorities. It's really permeating every part of the national security apparatus when we go to the pentagon the priority is cova distribution. It's not combating terrorism. The way it was just a year ago because of how pervasive this has been to operations including including how we think about national security well. Japan also began vaccinating. Its citizens this week. It's the world's third biggest economy robbie so behind other wealthy countries. Japan's really interesting case And i think in a way it's it's sort of a victim of its own success here. I mean Japan like you said one of the most world's most populous country Only has had a total of about three hundred seventy thousand cases and about five thousand. Three hundred deaths recorded to date a stark contrast with other major pop populous countries. Like the united states which which again is is approaching You know Or or is is already recording. Hundreds of thousands of deaths but of course Getting the vaccine into into japanese citizens There there are some significant there. That japan has including completing all of its Clinical trials And and convincing a population where sections of the public are little more hesitant in skeptical of vaccines to come in and get the shot. Nice sean. The tokyo olympics are still scheduled for this summer. That's after being delayed from last year. Are those still attract happen. They are though. Hugh listen to the book. Japanese public Folks rather it wouldn't happen or they'd rather the games get canceled or delayed. Once more than there's something. Recent polling showed eighty percent of japanese. That's eight zero Don't want the games to happen right now. As they're scheduled you have authorities in some parts of the country where the torch relay races opposed to go So Supposed to start the next month or so saying they don't want to participate in the olympic torch race And so it turned to a bit of a mess. There are a lot of fears about the pandemic. the lot of fears about how japan can weather the influx of Foreigners coming to the events and and the massive security and public health complexities surrounding that. And so so yeah. It's a political potato right now. Well let's briefly turn to north korea which was accused this week of trying to steal vaccine information from pfizer. South korean officials say their neighbors to the north attempted to hack the company. Nancy what more do we know at this point. So there was a briefing with the South korean lawmakers in which the intelligence community comes forward and says that there was an attempt to Hack into pfizer now subsequently that the name pfizer came out because a lawmaker said that was what was talked about in the briefing. The intelligence officials said we didn't name a company but either way It's not clear whether it was successful or even when it happened. But i think it gets at sort of some broader issues. Now we should know that. North korea's leadership says that it has no cases It's a close country so it's hard to say what the status is there at the same time they've asked for two million doses through the kovacs program that we talked about earlier and so What's interesting about this is. I think it's always surprising to people when they hear about these hacks because we think of north korea's a closed society but it's one with very advanced cyber units and using these cyber activities either to gather intelligence or the theft of intellectual property. And so it's interesting that it's looking for information as on the vaccine potentially for either one of those goals and so we don't know much about whether what it was able to do but we know is the latest in a series of efforts by north korea's suspected by north korea to hack into companies to gather information for its own economic or intellectual advancement. Well let's turn to me mar. It's been nearly three weeks. Since the coup. Their military troops have ceased power announced civilian leader aung sung suci and the now deposed president. You and meant shawn. We've got just about a minute here but there was a closed door trial for both of them this week. Do we know what happened. Well it's it's it's a bit murky but we do know that the charges are quite absurd that the initial charge the first charge leveled against the usage of illegal walkie talkie usage in possession of illegal walkie-talkies. This charge was related to her and her colleagues having supposedly broken covert regulations when there are campaigning for elections last year. Now the reason why we're even in the situation is is that the military arguments is that there was election fraud even though we've not seen any real evidence of that and they instance the the began the coup i mean they rolled out the coup and completely shut down whatever existed in my mars Fledgling democracy because on those grounds and now there's a bit of a contest between A military that's to wait out the protests that we're seeing on weekly daily basis and and to a certain extent A population that that is bracing for a deeper crackdown. We'll take a moment to note the passing of the jamaican musician. You roy or daddy you roy. He was also known as the originator and pioneered toasting. You roy was awarded the order of distinction by the jamaican government in two thousand seven. Quick update president biden in a remote. the munich. Security conference has been speaking to our allies about america's role on the world state stage. He just delivered a robust defence of our democratic progress which he said was under salt in the western world he said in part quote were in the midst of a fundamental debate about the future direction of our world between those who argue that given all of the challenges we face from the fourth industrial revolution to a global pandemic autocracy is the best way forward and those who understand that democracy is essential to meeting those challenges. You can hear more analysis of president biden's address on your npr station. Let's return to myanmar now. Where in response to the military coup there have been growing protests along with a civil disobedience movement made up of civil servants nancy. Tens of thousands took to the streets to protest military rule. But there's also been hundreds of arrests talk about the opposition. We're seeing in how the military is responding to these protests. Sure we're seeing sort of push pull over the course of the week. We started to see more and more people coming out and when this began the initial day or two after On sushi suci was arrested. We saw silence and then a growing number of protests going to the street anomaly number but government workers teachers people risking their jobs to to protests. And so that was met with Bigger crackdowns by the government. We've seen at least four hundred arrests Internet shut off we've seen real limitations And the use of live ammunition and so there has been this this sort of tug of war in terms of trying to suppress the crowds on the crowds rising up there an important developments in that one woman. A twenty year old just turned twenty grocery worker. Who was shot in the head on february ninth day today And i think her death could be a sort of galvanizing point. Four protesters picture was already all over the protests as a sort of personifying the the push by by protesters. And so that might be Something that pushes the protests forward in a way that the shutdown of internet the arrests were intended the crackdowns the the raise happening that were intended to push back against and so i think these next few days will be interesting in terms of which sort of force is stronger. Is it fear or is it a determination to to challenge on the military rule. Well this is. The first reported death out of those protests since the february first coup. But do we have any real idea. What what the injury or death toll might be. We don't because we don't know the extent of live ammunition used in part because they'll be denials about what what was used or wasn't used. there's been rubber. Bullets we've seen water cannons we've seen limited use of of live-ammunition and of course there are other ways people can die through stampedes things and so it's very opaque to give you a sense. I mean journalists. There are being told to not call this. A coup so the ability to get information is really limited and we're depending on bits and pieces that come out so it's very hard to kind of get a sense of the potential impact of this in terms of injuries and deaths. Well nancy alluded to some new policies. The military has enacted explain. What's happening in what rights are being stripped away. Yeah well the the think the military to it seems like it was surprised by by the widespread public protests. Here so it's just Issuing further Further crackdowns On the population here as as protests continue and in drag on and and like. Nancy said the death of this of this protester could could be a real a real galvanizing moment for the protests on and i think some people are wondering whether or not there's a there's a tipping point Whether the military to will will back down ease off some of these restrictions or or continuing an even more More violent and sharper. Crackdown on i. Also think one interesting element here That starting to percolate is how much these protests have taken on an increasing. The anti china tone protesters in myanmar Are blaming china in part for for how this military coup went down. There's even misinformation unconfirmed reports spreading of chinese soldiers in infiltrating myanmar. So so in in the in the same way. This is a crisis for myanmar. It's also in some ways a diplomatic in soft power crisis for For china as it says its popularity sinks throughout the rest of southeast asia. We know the military has enacted indefinite detention. Warrantless searches. nancy. You talked about reporters They're being told not to use the word coup. What are the crackdowns on communication. Are we saying we've seen at least two days in a row in which the internet has been shut down and we should note that one way that people have been getting a message out messages out of getting protesters. history is through facebook about half of the residents. There depend on facebook as a means of communication. We've seen arrests happening in the middle of the night people going through the forces going through neighborhoods Arresting activists Students election officials and members of unsung suci party and so those have all been intended to limit Engagement and communication and sort of strike a tone of a fear within communities well. Let's turn to big tack. Australia is taking it on. There was a widespread outrage this week at facebook's decision to block its users in australia from sharing news in response to a proposed law which would make tech companies pay for news content on their platform. The australian prime minister scott morrison said the move to unfriendly australia as was arrogant and disappointing. His communications minister. Paul fletcher went even further while they're effectively signed to australian zoos. You will not find content on our platform which comes from an organization which employs professional journalists which has editorial policies which has fact checking processes that same apprising position. We've been talking to. Strikeout is all the way through including google and facebook. That principle is very quick now. Both google and facebook if fought this new law saying it unfairly penalizes their platforms but google has in recent days. Signed payment deals with major australian media outlets. Sean just explain a bit more about what australia's doing what's at stake right. Well this is one of the more acute Instances of government policy Traditional media companies Having a showdown with big tech and this and it's really pretty fascinating to watch. Basically what this law that. The australian government is weighing would do would you would mandate that these big tech companies facebook google and so on would have to pay news companies for the ability to carry news content on their platforms Facebook turns around and says look. No one is forcing you to post No one's we're not forcing anybody to post news story in our on our service this. Why should we have to charge for something they. Why should we have to pay for something that that we're not even you know mandating And so of course as we as journalists obviously no One of the great faustian bargains of the last few decades has been Involved sort of the extent to which we have ceded ground to companies like facebook and google They have covered up. They become a major distribution platform for four our stories for our work and of course they've sucked in all advertising. There was once hopefully going to traditional media and in australia and in some other countries you've seen government legislation and major media companies. They're pushed back to certain degrees. And here is a case in point where facebook on one hand Chose not to go along with things and they flipped the switch this week. So if you. If you're in australia on facebook you will not find news right now and if you're on facebook no anywhere else in the world you won't find australian news on facebook As google took a more conciliatory line and has brokered. Some deals with major media companies. Rupert murdoch's newscorp first and foremost To pay for some of the content. Now pops up and google news in australia. Probably do we know why. Google went ahead and made that deal. It seems like it was. It was a negotiating tactic to ease pressure with with the australian government. Here to say okay. We'll we'll start making some some conciliations here in in order to try to get past this I think the the big the big thing here that that he sean eluded twos is that other countries are really closely. I in this response in australia's test case for for how to manage their the rise of big tech obviously has become a major issue here in the united states particularly in the wake of of president donald trump's banned from from social media companies. That really angered a lot of republican lawmakers and put a target on the back of of big tech for for some of these prominent national politicians. Nancy google to be clear again he. They ended up doing a deal with news corp which is owned by rupert murdoch and it dominates the news landscape in australia. Do we risk could little naive if this is about supporting you know. Local journalism A little bit at the risk of them being pessimistic. I mean i. I think it's such a fascinating question about how to fund news. And that's that's i think at the corporate because remember in australia. They tax resonance for their abc australian broadcasting company for other services and so there is a financial model. there that somewhat subsidize. I think what a critic would argue that. The assumption of these laws is that facebook and google or stealing information and therefore owe something back and so it's a fascinating attempt at getting that. How do you fund an industry that is necessary but it's business model is not Proving to be able to sort of sustain itself in the face of these sort of new ways of information coming out. And so. I think. I don't know if it's about local journalism. I think it's a as much as it is about finding a sustainable model for for such an importance source to any government which is how information is distributed. Let's turn next to canada and planet put forward on tuesday that would allow local communities to ban handguns. The move stopped short of supporting a national handgun ban which gun control advocates have called for prime minister. Justin trudeau said he knew there would be some political fallout from both sides of the gun control debate but the core of why we are doing this. The core of why canadians want this done is to keep our community safe in canada. People can use guns for hunting and for sport shooting not for personal protection. There is no need for military style. Assault weapons anywhere in this country. Robbie weiss trudeau making this move now. Well it comes after after other legislation Believe last year where they ban these military style assault weapons and there is. There is a massive shooting in in nova scotia after last year. That left nearly two dozen people. Dead was one of the deadliest mass shootings in in canadian history and so for for him and his government. It's following through on a on a on a big political promise to To enact gun control legislation I think In in candidates it is a controversial issue. Nowhere near as as controversial intractable gun. Control reforms are in the united states But with that said. I think there are a lot of us. Lawmakers and gun control activists that are going to be looking at our neighbors up north and seeing how this this legislation is implemented in. And if there's a model for the united states to pit potentially follow one day if if it can pass through all of the all of the hurdles and in washington will much of the pushback is come from gun. Owners canada's conservative leader erin o'toole says it's the number of guns in america. That's to blame for the number of illegal firearms in canada as much as eighty to ninety percent of the firearms used in illegal activities. Mainly in large cities come from illegal smuggling from the united states. The trudeau government has made that worse through inaction at the border in the last four. Plus years a nancy. I'm not sure how a city by city ban on handguns work. But to what degree do you think. Trudeau is really trying to ease concerns from the hunting lobby. Who are obviously more likely to be living. You know some way away from an urban center you know. I think we gun legislation is inherently controversial. And i think he was trying to strike a balance if you were to ask Leaders in montreal and toronto. This legislation didn't go far enough. If you ask people more rural parts of the country they would say. It's gone too far because it calls for things like inability to take back gun licences. I think this is sort of the first four eight to really try to tackle this issue. And i and i think it's It's it's a fool's errand to think that any legislation could tackle all the problems that come with with guns that he could stop guns wholeheartedly. I think what they're trying to do. More than anything. Chris lay the path work for communities to have responsible gun laws as they see fit and at the same time allow trudeau to fulfill a campaign. Promise that he had made to impose stricter gun laws. Robbie what do you think. The likelihood is of the us looking to canada for for guidance on this issue. I mean i mean they're they're already Us gun control activists who who have been talking about this. I think there's some pretty active lawmakers on on the democratic side who are going to be pressing President biden to To take action. Now that he now that the democrats have control of of the white house the house and and even very narrowly The senate Of course this is one of those pipedreams from from the left eighth. If you will to to enact major comprehensive gun reform legislation but that's just There's so many hurdles to that both on on the legislative side politically and also From the supreme court upholding the second amendment. Well that's robbi grammar reporter at foreign policy also with us today for the news round up. Nancy yousef national security reporter for the wall street journal and e sean. The roar foreign affairs columnist at the washington post. Thanks to you. 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The Wine Caucus: They Dont Just Drink!

It's All Political

25:35 min | 2 years ago

The Wine Caucus: They Dont Just Drink!

"Welcome to the San Francisco Chronicle's, it's all political podcast. My name is talk open. I'm be chronicles Washington. Correspondent and senior political reporter I'm filling in for your regular host Joe Garre Foley, who's taking a well deserved vacation. And on today's episode. I'm bringing you the congressional wine caucus. Yes. There is such a thing. I actually sat down with the co-chairs of the congressional wine caucus local bay area. Congressman Mike Thompson, and the newly inducted co-chair the first from outside of California, Washington, congressman, Dan Newhouse, and we set on for lively conversation about the politics of wine the policies that the caucus tracks and weighs in on. And of course, we had some fun and talked about, you know, things like the congressman's favourite, grapes, and most revered bottles that they've owned so stick around after the break and you'll hear all of that conversation with congressmens. Listen and new house. Hi, I'm Audrey Cooper editor in chief of the San Francisco Chronicle and thank you for listening to this podcast. It's an honor to lead the largest and most ambitious newsroom in northern California. Which every day is dedicated to bring you the most essential journalism about your community. But we can't do this work without the support of our subscribers. So if you support indepth journalism, please consider lending your financial support, you can do that at SF chronicle dot com slash subscribe for both our digital and print editions or best of all. Let's try both again, that's SF chronicle dot com slash subscribe. Welcome to the it's all political podcast him sitting here in the US capitol with congressman Mike Thomson of Saint Helena and congressman Dan Newhouse of Washington who are the returning and newly inducted co chairs of the congressional wine caucus, welcome. Thank you both for being here. Thank you. It's good to be with you. So I think the first and most obvious question for almost anyone listening is what is the congressional caucus. Well, I founded the congressional wine caucus while. It was first elected of the co chairs were myself and Jordana bitch. A fellow Californian George at the time grew grapes and made wine grapes. And the idea was to form a caucus. So we could provide education of between our wine communities, and the US capital was an opportunity to get the word up to Washington. What's happening on the ground and an opportunity to get the word from Washington back down to those who were doing the work on the ground, an incredible, incredibly important community layers, a lot of jobs or lot tax dollars a lot of economic activity generated by the wine community, and we needed to ensure that everybody knew the challenges we're facing and all the good work. We were doing and in congress. A new house. You're a bit. More of a recent arrival is third or fourth term third third term and for or you years four months and did you join the line caucus right away? Or was it something you came to a little bit later on as you create when you come to Washington DC dated with all of the different caucuses that are here. There's there's I don't know. How many are there? Mike, there's dozens ninety millions. So it took me a while to figure out all the different opportunities available. You'll be so so after a bit of time, and you know, being in the wine industry myself, I was naturally naturally attracted to the wine. Cock, and it's everything that mister Thompson just said it it's an opportunity for the industry to have platform to tell its story and for us he hit as members of congress to be able to hear first-hand the some of the challenges in the needs of. Of the industry. So that they could be successful. And we have a couple firsts. Right. So this is the first time we have a co chair from outside, California and congressman you house, and it's the first time both co chairs actually, grow grapes themselves is that right? We'll georgia. Okay. So it's the first time in a while that you've got so so what kind of insight, do you feel like you can bring to the table not just representing growers, but being growers yourselves will let me give you an example of something that we do early on that I think kind of sums it up and give your listeners than idea of what sort of perspective, we can bring to congress and how we can help with our our our districts in our communities of interest a while back. There was an a vector in in California. The glassy winged sharpshooter, which is an insect. Right. And this insect would basically bite a great bind leaf and the vine would die. This was very very serious. I started showing up in Temecula down in San Diego area, literally wiped out. Acre after acre after acre the headed pull these finds out the the vines were the host to this to this insect. It was nearby. Citrus. Groves and wanna mental of oracle. The blessing wing sharpshooter didn't bother the citrus and didn't bother the ornamental 's only the grapes. So it took the wine caucus coming together and bringing all the parties together to make sure everybody understood the impact as you can imagine the ornamental 's didn't want to jump in and deal with us. It wasn't bothering them. Citrus. Didn't wanna jump in at one bother now. But it was devastating to our state and our national economy. So we were able to bring all the parties together and figure out some solutions. So we could go after this glassy winged sharpshooter. And I think that's probably a textbook perfect example of how any caucus can help work through problems to find solutions. Yeah. Because I think when I first heard that there was a line caucus. I kind of just pictured, you know, a five PM crew sitting. Jackets, wine and cheese. And I was like, oh, that's a lovely caucus. But we'll the truth is of after about my second or third term. I had a colleague come up to me and say, you know, you've really taken this wine caucus to different place. You said that you should know. There was a wine caucus before you got here. He said, I started it and what we do every month or so we would get four five bottles of wine, and we get four five colleagues and we'd drink them and talk about the wine. So there's always been that opportunity to enjoy a good glass of wine and talk about it. But as I said, we did move it to a different level. We made it a group of like minded members of congress who understand the value of the wine community every state produces wind today. So you have wine made and fifty states. Now granted some of. Fellow better than others. No, I'm sure that. And but every member of congress represents some part of the overall wine universe. They either represent grape growers producers retailers, and every member of congress represents wine consumers and comes are actually going to ask, you know, being the first co-chair, not from California. I think most of our listeners are probably very familiar with with California wine country. But but Washington has a pretty strong wine. Production itself, doesn't it really does. And we're we're very proud of our wine industry in the state of Washington or actually the number two wine producer in the country behind California. We are growing industry. It's it's been around the state of Washington for almost one hundred years, but certainly over the last two or three decades has really blossomed into the exciting dynamic industry that we have today we have. Almost two thousand wineries over three hundred fifty growers. It's become a big business and growing business. And we think and not, you know, we have a friend friendly rivalry between the two states, obviously. But we think the quality of Washington wine is second. I mean, we really do a good job of producing fine all wines, very tremendous value. And you know, Mike talking about some of the specific things that the wine Kaku has been able to help with the white ministry. It's a business absolutely is an important business in this country wine grape, growers wineries face a lot of the same challenges that other businesses face, whether it's trade tax issues labor issues, certainly in our part of the world water issues all of those things that other agriculture products face weedy to in the wine industry. So it's important to get that message across and you're on the. Culture committee up here. Right. You were. So you have that experience as well of just writ large agriculture policy. You know, I think when people think of farmers they don't wind doesn't necessarily come to mind, but certainly in in California and Washington and several states. It's a huge part of the agriculture industry, actually in attributed one of the first ones that come to mind because you can't make good wine without good grapes. So it takes the farmer to grow good grapes to make the the good wine. And there's not a meal that anyone consumes across the United States of America. That doesn't go better with one. And you know, I actually reached out to our our wine critic at the chronicle Esther Moberly, an asked her sort of what are some of the issues that she's tracking in one of the ones she mentioned that I thought was really interesting given both of your states is the growing legalization of cannabis where both California in Washington now have legalized cannabis, and my understanding is that there's an increasing competition for land labor is that something you guys are hearing from your constituents that they're paying attention to and concerned about well, we have people no further than constellation of which is one of the largest wine producing of families in the country. And they've made big investments in the cannabis industry of there's all the same agricultural of hurdles and challenges are faced by anybody growing anything in either one of. Our states. And when you're when you when you introduce a new of product or a new a new agricultral product, there's going to be competition competition for an already tough workforce. We we have tough time getting workers, and we Dan, and I both know the challenges we face with water and all this comes into play. What are some of the other issues that you're hearing from your constituents from your fellow growers right now that they're really really paying attention to in terms of policy. Most certainly I I don't think it day goes by that. I don't have a agricultural producers come in and talk to about the challenges that they face in the world trade. In the wine industry, particularly it's a it's a very very competitive market there. There's a wine produced by a lot of countries around the world. Good wine and for us to be able to compete for that shelf space in other countries, we need to have trade policies that allow us to compete fairly in. And that's right now, as you know, there's some issues with some of the packs that we have with our trade agreements that we have with other countries that are being worked on that impact that directly and so that's causing a lot of anxiety right now in the industry overall. Trade clearly a big one the terror of our something that's very troubling. And a real challenge. I have a lot of constituents small growers and small producers who were hit hard with tax Bill of their just notice Gushin of of notice cushion of anything in the tax Bill, but there were provisions that really hurt small wineries. And and that's that's an issue for a lot of my folks, and then the whole labor shoe and immigration, which we really need to do aggression reform. That's that's something that we can agree on who heartedly bipartisan effort, I think we'll get it done. And I think most cock not must say that some of the caucuses up on Capitol Hill are bipartisan like this one. Congressman Thompson as democrat congressman new houses are publican when you do have a new administration. Obviously, you mentioned the trade stuff that some of the. Policies of this president has particularly pursued have created some of these trade issues. You hear even Chuck Grassley? You know, a ruby red Republican from Iowa over on the other side of the capitol very concerned about the impact on the farmers in his state. Do you find that you know, regardless of administration? There's a way to bring the issues of wine to the forefront. Or can it be challenging at times to get sort of bipartisan interest in the issue carries? We'll from why time here. Everything's challenging. Legislating is hard. If you're doing and do it, right? I've found that on the issues of wine. We've had remarkable bipartisan of participation and support. And I see that only growing. I think Dan is an excellent addition to the caucus out into the leadership of the caucus. I think it's I think it's long past time to include more states than California. This is something that I fought for years ago. And there was there was a reluctance to do that. But we've done it now. And I think it's really going to pay off. And you've been watch how we work and you'll see the that we will work in a bipartisan way, and it will be good not only for the institution of Representative government. But for the people who we represent. Yeah. Speaking with them, you know, one of the government affairs people from the wine institute last night. There was an event to introduce. Congressman Newhouse instead of reintroduce the wine caucus members of congress. And I sort of asking him this question as well from a lobbying perspective, and he said that Missouri has a huge wine industry, Ohio has a huge in wine industry and not to mention the fact that the distillers council, which you know, is is crap spirits in this country. They will often partner with the beer institute or the wine institute, you know, and certainly Kentucky when you talk about tariffs other countries. They're punishing American wine, but they're also punishing American whiskey. And so I thought that was interesting that there there really are more constituencies than you might think up here that are sort of interested in the same no matter who's in the White House. Whoever is in the executive branch this platform that we have the wine caucus in the US congress conservatives is that place where we can really get the message out on a bipartisan basis to educate. Not only members of. Legislative branch, but the executive branches. Well, so so enough policy. Let's little fun. So what kind of grapes? Do you do each grow in on your in your opinion, while I'm the I'm the little guy on this conversation by grow sauvignon, Blanc only only one variety I grow twenty acre sunk cutoff thirty acre ranch on grill. Twenty acres of saw me on block. I grow all of grow organic oat hay. And then Dan could take my ranch in my vineyard and put it over in the corner. And what what region? Do you grow your grapes in a grown in Lake County? Okay. And what about you congressman Newhouse farm is just a it's not a huge farm. We have seven hundred fifty acres a lot of that is devoted the hops. We were also in the the the beer industry involved in that we've got about sixty acres of wine grapes as well. I live on Snipes mountain, which is one of the Appalachians in Washington state. But we also raise some tree fruit and repaired concord grapes for as long as I can remember cherries cherries pears replanning this year. We've had apples nectarines, I've raised a lot of hey to owed is matter of fact, his wrong. So, and that's that's the vote bell, which is. Before we get too far out of here. Dan raises a good issue. Chuck about growing, hops, I found that it takes a lot of beer wine. That's sort of like crop rotation. Right. Sort of the same a lot of the same consumers for what about what about to drink? What what's your favorite to drink favorite wine to drink? Gosh. You know, I I love the can't tribute to one person who says I my favorite wine is the one. I am holding in my hand right now. And so there's there's so many different good ones. I lotta times for red wine over white, but there's so many good ones. And the great thing is with with all the different wineries, not only in the state of Washington, but all over the country can try a lot of different ones and find some really good ones from unexpected place. I was I was recently for personal enjoyment, and this Anoma area myself, and there's a there's a vineyard out there. That specializes in the Italian varieties that they found a little. Slice of the area where they can actually grow a nice range of Italian wines. And it was interesting the way that you can you know, Californian, I imagine Washington to you've got a lot of different climates and regions that you can kind of learn from wine production all over the world and find a place that it might work in. You know? And congressman Thompson, I asked you this you you say, you're not a wine collector your wine drinker. But are there any bottles that either of you have acquired over time that you know, were particularly special to you. I think Kasur means a lot of I'm I'm definitely allergic to bad wine. But I like to I enjoy wine with food. The time of the year the place what you're eating as Dan said, there's so many great wines and sparkling wine rose as of made a huge comeback different reds, different Weitz who you're drinking with and what you're eating when you're drinking where you are. It's all part of it. It's all part of the total wine experience. And the fact that wine truly is if farm-to-table experience, and as I said, there's wine being made in all fifty states and one there's one common denominator in in the fifty state wine production, and that's every in every instance, if a farmer in absolutely loving, what here sheer doing working with the land to grow great grape that can be turned into a great one. And that's all really exciting. What I what about you? Congressman you house any. Particular wines that have stood out to you in your time. Well, you asked about a particular, Bob. Yeah. I kind of inherited a nineteen sixty seven seat, Michelle. It's a red wine. That's a long time ago. One of the biggest wineries in the country. Biggest winery in the state of Washington the night, my father had and I've I've I've got it in my collection. But like like Mike says it depends on the occasion. Certain. We have different bottles of wine for on our kids were born anniversaries different things like that that make make events special art can be passed onto members of your family or friends. What about the same? Michelle. Are you saving it for anything in particular? I'm not sure how well it's been almost fifty years. It may just stay Mitch. You know what we should do? We should use should pick to your Republican colleagues, but it's an all pick to my democratic colleague. But his and we'll each bring a couple of wines from our district, and we'll go I live on the hill over to my house will we'll have we'll a and will enjoy it ends at that sounds like a plant. Well, Nancy Pelosi told me when I was doing another story on congressman Thompson that that his dinners our legendary they're they're generally bipartisan, and you always know that the meal will be home cooked and the wind will be California. She was just at my house last. It was group of members. And and we enjoyed a pretty incredible meals stand tastic one. So there's going to be a change to that the time I have dinner at Mike's house. They'll be Washington state one. They got. Stranger to Washington today. A member of congress passed I led a delegation out to Washington, and we visited four or five different wine regions, we visited six rate, different wineries. And it was a real. And I had people from the California wine institute with us on the trip. And it was it was the making. It was the beginning of a great relationship between our states and that in conjunction with a real hard push to bring the major wine states into the wine caucus. We grew our numbers from what was a handful of people when we started to about three hundred members. And that's the challenge of now, Nick, we're down with the retirements and people leaving were down about one hundred seventy something, and Dan, we should really work rotter to get those numbers back up over two hundred gonna mention my just I don't think I've ever told you that when I was first elected I was touring. The wineries in my district. And interestingly one of the winemakers comes up to me, do you know, Mike Thomson? More popular my district. We'll have to go back up there and check it out. Well, well, there you go. Whether it's around your dining room table restaurant, or here in congress line just brings people together. I guess the moral story. So congressman like towns and congressman down Newhouse. Thank you both for joining us on the it's all political packets remote. There you have it that was our conversation about the congressional wind pockets, we appreciate you listening. And of course, if you would like to reach out to us. I'm talk open. 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The Evolution of All-American Terrorism

Reveal

53:59 min | 11 months ago

The Evolution of All-American Terrorism

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Megan Squire is a computer scientist who studies online extremism at Ilan University in North Carolina. She seen firsthand how the recent wave of protests and counter protests can get out of control. Control so one protesting the removal of confederate monuments recently punched her in the face Megan says right wing extremists are using what's in the news to spread their message. They tracked pretty closely to whatever the news headlines are, and what they do is provide the racist anti-semitic. Fill in the blank spin on that news. All of these blue systems are like big funnels. They have a variety of ways of recruiting people into them. That's David. Reporter with the nonprofit newsroom type investigations a few years ago, revealed teamed up with type two track every single domestic terror event from two thousand eight to twenty sixteen. It showed that law enforcement was focused on extremist acting in the name of Islam, but homegrown right wing terror was a bigger threat by nearly two to one margin. We're trying to make the point that really. Rightwing extremism is much bigger problem than Islamist extremism and the government needs to be paying attention to now. We've updated the database to include a tax from twenty seventeen to twenty nineteen. We found that white extremist terror has grown and become more lethal responsible for almost the same number of deaths during the first three years of the trump presidency as during all of the Obama years. And the right wing extremists appear to target different groups. Many are driven by the same ideology. There's a very specific stripe of white nationalism that were seen run through especially these more recent mass killings today we're going to connect the DOTS and show how one act of tear inspires another thanks to online platforms, and we'll ask why law enforcement is still struggling to catch up. Reveal reporters Stan Cornyn Priska neely have been digging into this for months. PRISCO STARTS US off with the story of a man who witnessed the deadliest domestic terror attack from last year. Guillermo Glenn is well known in El Paso's Mexican American community. He's seventy nine now, and he's been a community organizer and labor rights activist for most of his life. We conducted a of protests. We blocked the bridge. We went to jail on August third twenty nineteen. He was just going about his weekend routine. It was a Saturday morning. Right in around ten o'clock so. Go to Walmart to buy some pet food and I was way in the back and I heard his great big noise. A warning gamma was going to share graphic details about what happened that day. A large number of families, women and men were running towards me from the front of the building. And I noticed at least one of the women was dripping blood as it well, there's something really wrong. I ran into the woman who is she had both her legs had received some type of this shrapnel or bullet wounds, and she was bleeding, so I stopped. There to help her in by grabbed the. Prostate, kit and try to. Tend to her wounds legs. One of the firemen paramedics came and you. You have to get her out. We're getting everybody out of the store. So. We put her in in one of those grocery baskets. When he wheeled the woman to the front, he saw what had happened. Right at the front door, there was a lot of blood. I knew then that they've been a shooter. It was a very dramatic scene. I saw the body of a man with. Half his head shot off. There was a lady lane on the payment across from where we're loading the people. XACTLY! who had taken out loans. I did how that information that he was actually shooting Mexicans. The suspected gunman, twenty one year, old Patrick crews drove roughly ten hours from outside Dallas to the El Paso Walmart right near the Mexican border police say he opened fire. Twenty three people were killed and many were wounded. And then he drove off minutes later Patrick crucial stopped his car at an intersection near the Walmart, he came out with his hands, raised in the air, and stated out loud to the Texas Rangers. I'm the shooter. He's facing ninety federal charges including forty five heat crimes. After Ghirma witness what happened that day he got in his car and went to the restaurant where his friends always gather on Saturdays several. My friends came and hug me and say Oh, you're okay. We're so glad we've been looking for you without. Doing might be there. And then they showed me the manifesto. The manifesto minutes before the attack, the shooter at posted a document filled with anti immigrant rhetoric to the online message board eight Chan some of gear. Most friends showed him a copy, so I sit down. I had some food at some my regular Saturday menudo. And, then I finally realized what had happened right after I read the manifesto. Crucial manifesto reads kind of like a corporate website. It has an about me section and parts where he outlines his warped vision for America. He matter of factly explains how his attack will preserve a world where white people have the political and economic power. He says peaceful means will no longer achieve his goal. Reporter David were says this alleged shooter is the quintessential trump era terrorist. A man largely radicalized online entrenched in white nationalist ideology and fueled by the belief that white men like himself are being replaced by Latino immigrants crucial wrote that the media would blame president trump for inspiring him, but he claimed that his ideas predated the trump campaign. Here's David Painter. Crucial especially was so filled with loathing for Latino people that he didn't see them as human. When David reads the manifesto, he can immediately see the fingerprints of other white nationalists. Here's have crusius opens his manifesto. In general I support the Christ church shooter and his manifesto. This attack is a response to the Hispanic invasion of Texas. They are the instigators, not me. I am simply defending my country from cultural and ethnic replacement brought on by an invasion that opening line is a direct signal back to a previous act of terrorism. The shooter who killed fifty one people at two mosques in Christchurch New Zealand just months before. David says this is part of a trend. One terrorist inspires another and the cycle continues. Gear Mo says he didn't understand all of the references at first, but it was clear to him that the manifesto had ties to a larger movement. I think he was trying to show that somebody had to take action in. That really angered me at that point. In Hawaii, would somebody come in shoot? Innocent people like that. David says crew started doing online research because of the anger. He felt over how the country was changing demographically. Doing this research. He came across. Multiple quite genocide theories including the great replacement. Great Replacement or replacement theory unites many acts of hate that we see across the country around the world, and that's this idea that comes out of nationalism. That white Europeans face a global genocide at the hands of Brown people and that they're being slowly rubbed out of existence. Only a few terrorists in recent years have referenced replacement theory by name, but it's widely popular among right wing extremists. It's linked to ideas that are many decades old, but one attack in Europe showed how those ideas can be weaponized. Andres brave ix terrorism attack in Oslo a new Toy Island Norway. In Two thousand eleven. Bribery killed seventy seven people in a bombing in mass shooting. Before the attack, he sent out a fifteen hundred page manifesto about how he planned to lead white supremacists on a crusade against the quote, Islamic vacation of Europe. Around the same time, a French writer named Renaud Camus refined and popularized the ideology in a book. The title translates to the Great Replacement and the Great Replacement Essentially Society. That Brown people, particularly refugees and immigrants from Arab countries in Europe are being deliberately brought into the country in order to replace white people as the chief demographics and the conspiracy theory claims all this is orchestrated by Kabbalah of nefarious globalists'. That's code for Jews, not replace. In August. Twenty seventeen white supremacists in the US took up this concept as a rallying cry at the unite the right rally in Charlottesville Virginia. The next day a neo. Nazi drove his car into a crowd. And thirty two year old heather. Higher This incident had an immediate impact on the public perception of terrorism, making it clear that white nationalist violence is a serious threat today. The nightmares hit home here in the city of Pittsburgh. At a Pittsburgh Synagogue in two thousand eighteen Robert Bowers is accused of killing eleven people. He went to a Jewish synagogue because he was angry about the latin-american Caravans, the caravans had been in all the news in the weeks prior to that synagogue attack, you know. He blamed Jews and went to drew synagogue to take revenge for Latino Immigration. These are the ideologies that are sick zagging across the globe. In March twenty nineteen, but gunmen who live streamed his mass shooting in Christ's Church New Zealand on facebook also wrote a manifesto. The title. The great replacement. The New Zealand Manifesto inspired the El Paso shooter to target the people he felt were replacing him. Recent manifestos and books put a new spin on violent hateful acts, but David traces these sentiments back much further. What's remarkable in a Lotta ways when I read, these manifestos is so many of them are expressing ideas that I read in the nineteen twenty s coming from Genesis. Look I would even take back to the eighteen ninety S. When I started seeing the wave of Lynch scenes in the south as a form of social control, this is very clearly a form of terrorism. After the El Paso shooting activist skier Glenn Says White. Supremacist ideology was barely part of the conversation. There were brief efforts to unite the community against hate. A few events held under the banner. El Paso strong the politicians, the businessmen the mayor. Everybody was pushing this idea that we address survive. But they weren't really talking about who caused it. Or why. Before. We talked for this story Guillermo says he didn't identify as part of this larger group of survivors that includes Jewish and Muslim communities. You know you say well, it's. It's the Jewish people that they attacked. It's the Muslim people that attacked. And you're on the border Mexican and Central Americans. But nobody talks about what does the great replacement mean? Nobody put all these incidences together and say hey. This is something that we should be aware of nationally. And he says that's part of the failure. Heart of the reason, these attacks keep happening. That story from reveals Friskin neely. As. We've been saying these extremist groups are using online communities to spread their messages and find new recruits. When we come back, we'll hear how it works. It's a conditioning process. It's a grooming process, and I let myself fall into that. The evolution of the White Supremacist Internet next on reveal. Reveal is supported by true botanical 's. Life is full of tough choices and tradeoffs. Your beauty routine what you put on your body. Every day shouldn't be one of them. True. Botanical 's uses the latest scientific advances and centuries old botanical extracts to create all natural formulas and their products like they're hydrating face, cleansers and face oils for aging breakout, prone and sensitive skin and nutrient packed to serum. You've got to try true tentacles for yourself. Get fifteen percent off your first purchase at true panicles dot com slash reveal. That's true. Botanical Garden Com slash reveal. From, the Center for investigative reporting NPR x this is reveal I'm alison. The FBI and academic researchers say there's no such thing as a terrorist profile. You can't tell who's going to become terrorists with a personality tests or demographic checklist. But the young white men who attacked the synagogues of Pittsburgh and Powei and the Walmart. No Paso. They had a lot in common, not only were they motivated by the same conspiracy theory about why people being replaced, they developed those ideas in some of the same spaces online to them, even posted their manifestos to the same website. Now. You can't blame today's white supremacist terrorism on the Internet, but you also can't understand it without talking about the way. The White Supremacist Movement uses the Internet and how that's changed over the last decade. Reveals. Stan alcorn is going to tell that story through the eyes of a man who lived it here, stand. Josh Bates Decade as a white supremacist started in his mid twenty s with a youtube video about the presidential candidate. He says he supported at the time Iraq, Obama. I was scrolling through the comments section. You know he's a Muslim. He wasn't or year. Things of that nature at somebody said you guys sound like those storm front assholes. The world's storm from. Storm Front is a message board that a former KKK leader set up in the nineties. Josh says he went there at first because he was curious than to argue. But then the middle aged message board neo. Started winning him over. How could they be convincing in these arguments like? Can you help me understand that? I wish I can answer that question. Is still ask myself that allow I ended up falling for something like that, but I guess. Similar to how we look at people who fall into calls, you know it's a conditioning process. It's a grooming process and I. Let Myself Fall into that. The experts I talked to say that first step is more about the person than what they're stepping into. Josh had just left the Marines. Where used to have a team and the mission. Now all we had was computer. It's pretty concurrent with a whole lot of people where they felt really deeply disempowered in their lives Shimin Martinez is a former white supremacist who helped people including Josh. Leave the movement, and so when you encounter information that's presented that this is like the real truth, the true truth people don't want you to have because if you did, it would be to empowering for you and to disempowering for them like. Like. That's an incredibly powerful like toxic drug. That drug widely available on the Internet is at its heart, a conspiracy theory. It says your problems aren't your fault. It's immigrants Black People Jews they talk about Oh no Hollywood and the media all these Jews there in these positions of power, and you know when you google that kind of stuff you see, and you consume it eventually after a few months. Kinda get desensitized to it and everybody's agreeing with everyone for the most part you you get along. There's online community. Star was Kinda my first one. He didn't know their names, but they were his team. Now it's been the next ten years as what he calls a keyboard warrior for the white. Supremacist, movement, he'd be there for every step in its evolution from joining the K. k. k. and the Neo Nazi National Socialist Movement to more diffuse groups and websites that called themselves all right and identity -Tarian Some of these groups would go to some lengths to appear respectable and say we're not racist. We're not Nazis. We're not the KKK. And then some of those groups were Nazis. They were the K. k. k. and you were in all of them. Does that tell you that? The differences between these groups are more about that image and the tactics than absolutely the core ideas, or they attract? Absolutely, we've been using the terms white nationalism, onepointoh nationalism, two point Oh for a few years now and one point Oh is your. Early Groups Cook clan. They're very explicit associates. Movement waterhouse, whilst goes on their uniforms under flaxen. Your two point Oh guys. They're your identity. Oba's where dressing in. Khakis. Collared Shirts doc shoes. They got these nice cropped haircuts. They call it good optics. Anybody, who was in the early one point? Oh movements like myself I can see right through. They just put lipstick on a pig solid. But people who followed the White Supremacist Movement for decades like type investigations reporter David. They say that this all right makeover of the old racist right. It was transformative that radical right was very backward looking jerry stiff and formal. They didn't have any humor was not part of their repertoire. In fact, their primary recruitment demographic really was mandatory in the ages of forty and sixty with the advent of the alright, what we saw was this very tech savvy, very agile movement that instead of running away from sort of the culturally savvy component aspects of the Internet rather embraced them holy instead of writing racist newsletters that people had to sign up for. They were making memes, jokes and places like read it and four Chan and these forums that celebrated being politically incorrect. They're the perfect place for those ideas. Ideas to take root hybridize with other fringe ideas and grow into something that could be shared on more mainstream platforms like twitter and facebook, and it was. You know very brilliant, because it meant that suddenly the recruitment demographic was much larger, and had you know lot more political activists energy They were younger, people and Josh. Bates says that energy got a huge boost in two thousand sixteen with the rise of a new presidential candidate. They're bringing drugs. They bring in crime. Their rapists and some I assume are good people because trump was spouting off a lot of the same talking points as general white nationalist. He breathed new life into that move. And the thought leaders of the movement just took full advantage. Second, take him further and they did. They started to take their ideas into the real world. After trump's election in twenty seventeen computer scientists, Megan Squire setup software to track extremists on facebook. She started out studying the misogynist Gamer Gate Movement, but that it letter to all of these different anti Muslim and neo confederate and white supremacist groups at the time facebook was as central player, if not the central player in It was the place where these guys all wanted to be. Nice looking for Crossover Ideological Crossover Group Membership Crossover. Just, trying to I. Guess map that ecosystem of hate on facebook. She watched this ecosystem plan. What one neo Nazi website would call the summer of hate? Anti Muslim marches, misogynist proud boy rallies, and what was shaping up to be this real world Mita of all these different, mostly online hate groups the unite the right rally in Charlottesville Virginia. And this is where she came across Josh, Bates. There was a person who was talking about. They didn't have enough money to go to Charlottesville. And someone else suggested. Hey, we have this crowd funding site. Why don't you set up a fundraiser when Megan Click link? She saw this whole list of white supremacist fundraisers on a website. Josh had built because go fund me had started cutting them off. It was the beginning of what Megan calls all tech at the time we're talking about. Tech was basically just replacements that were coated and controlled by people, probably in the movement or close to the momentum at least like didn't care about waste practices using their services, so they're replacing Patriot patriotic. It's kind of a one to one match there, but when it came to advertising the rally the outright. Outright didn't need all tech. They had a facebook event page and it was being promoted by hate groups that facebook had allowed to remain on the site even after they were reported by civil rights advocates I. Mean I'm a solo researcher with a laptop in rural North Carolina. And I was able to find well over two thousand hate groups operating on Facebook, and like a couple of months so. I don't have sympathy that facebook in know it was happening. Ray like that's ridiculous. NAGIN decided to go to the rally in person in part to see if this convergence of hate she was seeing on. facebook would happen in real life. Josh Bates. Went for the same reason. Never! History of white nationalism. Many people. All showing up with one place you had. Sam Klamath Roba all these groups all the groups that you've ever been a member of yet pretty much, and when you see that many people show up to support a common cause, it kind of fills you up a little bit with maybe a little enthusiasm. Maybe this isn't die. Maybe this. Maybe this could go forward. That's exactly right I believe that. That's exactly why after shut that stuff. 'CAUSE! This is not the kind of people we need to be amassing power. The rally wasn't shut down. But when it turned violent and a white supremacist killed heather higher reporter David, says this whole plan to unite the racist right backfired. All of these groups started. Splitting is huge infighting over whether they did the right thing, and in fact, the social media platforms. Taking it seriously although. That seriousness varied from platform to platform. Reminded me of Lake, when you. Catch a kid doing something that not supposed to be doing and all of a sudden. They're incredibly sorry. They already did it. You know there wasn't a whole lot of foresight there there. Sorry after the fact. It's a pattern. We've seen over and over in the last few years. A terrorist attack happens the social media platforms. Put out statements, but don't fundamentally change their policies. On Youtube you can still find old video manifestos from right wing domestic terrorists. FACEBOOK didn't ban white nationalist content until a year and a half after Charlottesville. The main step they did take at the time was to remove the accounts of a bunch of individual users and groups, but that means I don't get to just clemens. Okay, we're done here. Good job. They got to platform. Because my job is to worry about where going to go next, you would push them off of platforms like twitter. And just go from create their own new platform. And they called Gab, and it was just straight for white nationalist, and on Gab, for instance that the man who conducted the terrorism act against the tree of life, synagogue did most of his organizing, he networked with other white nationalists, and had a long string of racist and antisemitic posts before his infamous final message. Screw your optics I'm going in. On these alternative platforms vacant talk as though they didn't have to fear sensors or monitors people looking over their shoulders, so they were much more open and explicit about their hateful nece, and not just their hateful, but frankly their lust for violence, the rhetoric became incredibly violent on a lot of these smaller platforms, and this journey, trying to go mainstream only to retreat back to the violent fringe. It's the journey Josh mid to, and that's Kinda trajectory of going from white nationalist, one hundred zero. Two point own and things just from an RPG on ground and finding this thing all the base. The base is a neo-nazi. With an explicit focus on real world violence. The shared bomb making manuals and planned paramilitary trainings to prepare for a coming race war. When news broke that eleven, people had been murdered at the tree of life synagogue. They talked about it in terms of textbooks. Josh wrote in their private chat. Infrastructure is what needs targeting small hits like yesterday's while striking fear into many that only ultimately served to embolden the enemy while they're still strong. Yes the I. Don't even remember say. I guess that goes to show. Those playing a role in assess and. It's just stark latest role and you start getting into. That's the sound of someone who. was enthralled with the idea of being a hero. That's how the whole heroes dynamic works. Is that you are playing a role, you've created this image for yourself of being the hero, and now it's really important for you to live up to it, and this is how. People who've been radicalized can get talked into committing acts of violence is that they feel like they have to? Have to prove that they are the heros. They've made themselves out to be in their own minds. Josh left the basis chat room in November of two thousand eighteen. He says he was turned off by all the glorification of violence. A couple of weeks after that Atlanta anti-fascist published an article exposing his long history in the white supremacist movement, and within days he was tweeting that he was out of the Movement for Good Looking back now I don't see myself staying in movement, no matter. It's just it's tiring. I just don't And obviously everything about his wrong. Ideological racial social since everything for all. Other. Men who stayed in the base would go on to be arrested for vandalizing synagogue. Plotting to murder a couple they believed were ANTIFA activists. And trying to start a civil war, gun rights rally in Virginia. The FBI says the greatest terrorist threat in the United States today comes from what they call lone offenders terrorists who get their radical ideas from online communities who attack without ever coordinating with anyone else in the real world. According to our database. They're responsible for nearly half the terrorist fatalities since trump took office. It's a list that includes the tree of life shooter Robert Bowers the powei synagogue shooter, John Ernest, and the El Paso Walmart shooter Patrick Crushes. A lot of people will be exposed to these same ideas and not respond in a violent way, but it doesn't take very many of them to actually cause a whole lot of harm. For Law enforcement that tricky question here is. How can you tell from what someone says online? They're actually going to commit an act of violence. But for the rest of us, there's a different question. That's maybe even trickier. What do we do when people say things online, that might help push other people to commit acts of violence. Josh, said several times in our interview that over the course of his ten years in the White Supremacist Movement. He only spent a grand total of maybe five days doing things in the real world. His role was setting up websites organizing online and writing propaganda. Like an article, he wrote for alright dot com, where he told his fellow white people to quote rekindle your inner hate, and that an honorable death must be earned. You've talked about this saying you didn't do anything. You were just writing things, but just as you were radicalized through reading things online. So was Robert, bowers so as John Ernest so as Patrick cruces. Isn't writing something doing something, and do you think? What I mean by doing. Something is irl like actually getting to straightness roaming by doing zone. But he's starting to think that distinction doesn't really make a difference. I didn't actually go out getting any street brawl or physically attack anybody, but that's no different than writing something encouraging others to do. You know what I mean. I would have considered myself in a way domestic terrorist because I was out spouting off some of these same ideas. and. Feel so weird to to reference yourself in that. But. To be honest. Things Josh. Did may not meet the FBI or the Department of Justice's definition of terrorism. They didn't even get him kicked off. Social Media. But. He says he'll be making up for them for the rest of his life. That story was from reveals Stan Alcorn. We reached out to facebook for comment. They sent us a statement saying that they don't want to be a place for promoting hate or violence, and that they're making progress. They told us in the first three months of two thousand twenty. They banned more than two hundred fifty white supremacist organizations and removed four point seven million pieces of content tied to organize. We reached up to Youtube and the global Internet form to counter terrorism as well, but they didn't respond. If social media companies aren't stopping white supremacist terrorism. What about the US government? That's after the break on reveal? Hey! This is Al and before we get back to this week's show I. WanNa. Let you know about a story on another podcast this week from reveal reporter Stan alcorn about how white supremacist violence is remembered. In the wake of the killings of George Floyd and Brianna Taylor statues have been coming down across the country statues of confederate generals, but also in Mexico statues of Kista. Standard been reporting on the fight over public monuments in his home state for years and this week or ninety nine percent invisible. He tells the story of how one of these monuments came to be, and what it took to bring it down. You can hear that story starting. Tuesday June thirtieth by subscribing ninety nine percent invisible. Wherever you get your podcast until Roman, I said Hi. From the Center for investigative reporting and P R. X This is reveal I'm outlets in. A year after Josh. Bates left the white supremacist group. The base, another member of the organization shot a video of himself, speaking to a camera wearing a gas mask. He was calling on white people to acquire weapons derail trains and poison water supplies in order to ensure the survival of the white race. Later, a federal judge outside of Washington DC would read a transcript of their video into the record. Before prosecutors held a press conference, the evidence gathered by the FBI demonstrates these defendants who are self proclaimed members of the white supremacist group. The base were dedicated to the idea of doing harm to African Americans Jewish Americans and others who the defendant you'd is a threat to their twisted idea of white ethno state. Put simply this domestic terrorism investigation like he saved lives. But this law enforcement stopping white supremacist terrorism before it happens has been the exception. According to the database, we put together with type investigations since two thousand and eight law enforcement has stopped about one in three terror plots by white supremacists and other right wing extremists. Meanwhile, they've stopped terror plots by those claiming to act in the name Islam at more than twice that they've stopped three out of every four of those in other words, the FBI seems to do a better job going after terrorists whose ideas resemble the nine eleven attackers, then the right wing terrorists who've killed far more people in the two decades sense. But in the last year reporter David. My word says the FBI statements and arrests seem to show shift towards taking white supremacist terrorism more seriously. It's very clear that the FBI has caught on that. This is a problem. But it's also very clear that they have a lot of catching up to do. And getting the FBI describe how it's catching up isn't easy. His reveals Stan alcorn again. In theory there are people who can force the FBI to explain itself. Congress, but Congress has not always been focused on white supremacists, terrorism, either for instance. This hearing from twenty eleven. The Committee on Homeland Security will come to order led by Republican Congressman from New York Peter King. This committee cannot live in denial. which is what some of us would do when they suggest that this hearing diluted focus by investigating threats unrelated to Al Qaeda. Of Homeland Security and this committee. Were formed in response. The Al Qaeda attacks of September eleventh. There is no equivalency of threat between Al Qaeda and Neo Nazis. Environmental extremists or other isolated madmen. Only actually there are more than twice as many right wing, domestic terror incidents that year as anything inspired by groups like Al Qaeda, according to our data, and that was my privilege to recognize the distinguished ranking member of the Committee, the gentlemen from Mississippi Mister Thompson. The ranking member or top Democrat venue? Thank, you very much champion. Perspective, on a stand at our personal experiences, play a role in how we see the world. We've all come to this place from somewhere else. I'm from Mississippi. Might become the first black mayor of his hometown in one, thousand, nine, hundred, seventy, three, a place where cross burnings were used to intimidate civil rights activists. Twenty years later when he was elected to Congress, he made national news for pushing to finally prosecute the mastermind of a k. kkk killing happened when he was in college. But we are not here in these places now. mishearing. Brought up harassed. That happened just the day before. A man had placed a bomb along the route of a Martin Luther. King Day March in Spokane Washington? News reports identified the suspect as a member of the same white supremacist group. That influenced Oklahoma. City bomber Timothy McVeigh. I urge you must've chairman to hold a hearing examining the homeland security threat posed by anti government and white supremacist groups. Are you back? Over the next eight years, Thompson and other Democrats would keep asking for that hearing on domestic terrorism. They'd never get it. I called up Congressman Thompson on Skype, but his office in Bolton Mississippi the same town that elected mayor nearly fifty years ago there about five hundred people who live in this town. So I bet you must know every single one of the more or less. Not only do I know them I. Know Their business. They know my business. There are no secrets. We talked about how it felt to struggle to get his colleagues to pay attention to this threat of right wing terrorism. Plus straighten would be honest with you. 'CAUSE I knew. This problem was growing in America. And Somehow. I committed was missing the opportunity to address. And that's unfortunate. But. In Two Thousand Nineteen Democrats took control of the House and Bennie Thompson took control of the Homeland Security Committee and Eynulla. Advocate chairman. We held the here. And it was only in this hearing. That members of Congress in the public get a chance to see in here for the first time. What was going on? This hearing and other Democrat lead oversight hearings got the FBI to finally acknowledge the serious threat of white supremacy terrorism. They said that could racially motivated. Violent extremism was now as big. A THREAT IS ISIS. But these hearings didn't turn up a lot of details on exactly what the FBI was doing to deal with that threat on the ground like the number of. Cases or, arrests. So I asked the FBI agent in charge of counterterrorism for the Newark. Field Office Joe Dennehy and I think there's really been a surge in what we assess as as racially motivated violent extremism, both here in New Jersey and across the nation I think a lot of the profiles of the subjects we're. We have seen conduct successful tax her younger males. All of them really radicalized online. Now that the velocity of those threats and successful tax appears to be increasing. We obviously dedicate greater number of resources to that threat when when you talk about that dedicating a greater number of resources. Can you share anything in the way of numbers something to kind of concretely get a sense of what that looks like. Unfortunately I can't give any specifics on that on in terms of our. Personnel or assets, but I can tell you that there's a tremendous emphasis. Put on this We recognize that the threat is evolving and moving with it no question about it. And just to be clear. Why is it that you can't give more details on that? You know. I'm not comfortable talking about. The number of agents that we have working a specific threat. So no numbers and then there's the term itself racially motivated violent extremism. Why call it that Are we primarily talking about white supremacy terrorism? Me No question that. White, racially motivated. Extremism is a very serious problem. Well what else fits into that What he isn't saying is the whole point of the term. Racially motivated violent extremism is that they are not just talking about white supremacists who've been responsible for more plots and attacks in the last few years than any other kind of terrorist in our database. What happened was in two thousand seventeen. An F.. B. I. Document was leaked to Foreign Policy magazine about something. They called black identity extremists. The FBI defined them as anyone using violence quote in response to perceived racism and injustice in American society in particular police brutality. Former FBI agent Mike German, said basically, it's black. People who scare them. When Congressman Thompson heard about it, not from the FBI, but from reading about it in the press. He wondered if it was really about countering terrorism at all. You know I went through co Intel pro in the sixties. FBI. Staying on people of column, and so they look. Are we trying to unfairly target. Black. People in Black Organization again. This was scandal and the FBI said it got rid of the black identity extremist category. But in twenty nineteen, more FBI documents were leaked to reporter. Ken Clip Stein and they showed that the f. b. i. had really just taken the black identity extremists and the white supremacists, and put them both in one combined category, racially motivated violent extremism. Can you say with confidence now that the FBI is not focusing on so called black identity extremists as as a terrorist threat and potentially going after. Activists? Walking. Ny Not your that the head of the oversight committee looking at them. Why can't you sort of say it with confidence that you know? because. You know a lot of what I've found that as a member of Congress. Is as a term. A need to know. Even though you might be in a classified setting. And suppose it may have top secret clearances. Are still certain information. That, if an agency decide. For whatever reason? You don't lead the no. And I'll file. They're not going to. The F. B. is lack of transparency is why we built our own domestic tera database. And it's also why the most important thing this congress did on domestic terrorism might be something that's barely been noticed. Tucked into the National Defense Authorization Act on page nine, hundred, fifty seven. There's language that requires the FBI to for the first time. Lay Out in detail, its domestic terrorism data describing every incident assessment and investigation since two thousand nine. And breaking them down by category and saying exactly how many agents are working each threat? That data was due to Congress right as we released this story. Why. Would you have to pass an act in prominence to get somebody to collect data that ought to be Pau of one's job. Needless to say. We had to take it to that level and you had to get it in the defense. Spending bill to right. Yeah, well, you know. What you call a little home cooking. AS CONGRESSMAN THOMPSON WAITS FOR THE RESULTS He's worried that attention is. Being diverted away from right wing terrorism this time by President, trump. In the midst of the recent protests over racism and police brutality president, trump tweeted he would designate antiga short for anti-fascist terrorist organization. Even though the FBI says Antifa is really more of an ideology. Than Group He's Pro United States, and he should lead this country based on what the facts are at the time he's presented with. Thompson says he hasn't seen any evidence of a connection between Antifa and violence at the recent protests. Whereas when we spoke a right wing extremists, who is obsessed with the coming civil war had just been charged with killing a federal security officer near a protest in Oakland and I'm glad that the law enforcement officials have identified and apprehended. That individual, but he said let the professionals do their job. That story was from reveals Stan Alcorn. Just to be clear, the president does not have the power to designate terrorist groups. Still since his tweet, there'd been multiple reports of the FBI interrogating protesters about their political views and what they know about Antifa. Before we go I WANNA. Remind you that we're just one week away from launching our first ever serial American Rehab Chapter One begins with a look inside a rehab with since people to work without pay and calls therapy. 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The Evolution of All-American Terrorism (rebroadcast)

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Use the name your price tool and start an online quote today at progressive dot com price and coverage match limited by state law from the center for investigative reporting. Npr x this is reveal. I'm outlet in the morning of january. Six before the storming of the halls of congress reporter. David niwa tweeted prediction. Today is likely to be a historically violent day in the nation's capital there on the understatement. Didn't david was a surprise. That pro-trump extremists did what they did. In fact he had linked to a video from the night before shot on the streets of dc. In which a middle aged white man in a trump had tells a young white nationalist livestream back tomorrow. I don't even like say. Don't be a resident will all saying we need to go in to the capital. You certainly wasn't a surprise for any of the people who've been reporting on and researching the radical right here in the united states in the past year because they've been pretty upfront about. They were saying they're going to do this. David has been following the radical right for decades and a few years back. He in the nonprofit newsroom type investigations teamed up with reveal to start tracking. Would look to him like an uptick. In far right terrorism we put together a database of every single domestic terror events. Starting in two thousand eight in two thousand seventeen. That data showed that right wing. Extremists have become the biggest threat while law enforcement under president. Obama was focused on those acting in the name of islam. Last summer we ran the numbers for terrorism under president trump and we found that far-right terror had grown and become more lethal responsible for almost the same number of deaths during trump's first three years as during all eight years under obama and the men. It's almost always men who are responsible for. Many of those deaths were driven by the same ideology. There's a very specific stripe of quite nationalism. That were seen run through especially these more recent mass killings. Today were bringing back a show. We first aired last june. We're going to connect the dots to show. How extremist ideas and extremist violence spread online. And we'll ask why law enforcement is still struggling to catch up. Reveal reporter's stand alcorn priska mealy dug into this for months. Prisco starts us off with the story of a man who witnessed the deadliest domestic terror attack of two thousand nineteen jermont. Glenn is well known in el paso mexican american community. He seventy nine now and he's been a community organizer and labor rights activists for most of his life. We conducted a lot of protest. We blocked the bridge. We went to jail on august third twenty nineteen. He was just going about his weekend. Routine. it was a saturday morning. Right in around ten o'clock so i go to walmart to buy some pet food and i was way in the back and i heard his great big noise. A warning gamma was going to share graphic details about what happened that day. A large number of families women and men were running towards me from the front of the building and i noticed at least one of the women was dripping blood. As whether something really wrong. I ran into the woman who is she had. Both legs had received some type either. Shrapnel or bullet wounds and she was bleeding so i stopped there to help her and by grabbed the first aid kit and tried to at least tend to her wounds on her legs. One of the firemen or paramedics came. And you have to get her out with everybody out of the store so we put her in now in one of those Grocery baskets when he wheeled the woman to the front he saw what had happened right at the front door. There was a lot of blood. I knew then that they'd been shooter. It was very dramatic scene. I saw the body of a man with half his head shot. There was a lady lane on the payment across from where we're loading the people. I deny exactly who had out. I didn't how that information that he was actually shooting mexicans. The suspected gunman twenty one year old. Patrick cruise drove roughly ten hours from outside dallas to the el paso walmart right near the mexican border. Police say he opened fire. Twenty three people were killed and many were wounded and then he drove off minutes later. Patrick cruises stopped his car at an intersection near the walmart he came out with his hands raised in the air and stated out loud to the texas rangers. I'm the shooter. He's facing ninety federal charges including forty five heat crimes. After guillermo witness. What happened that day. He got in his car and went to the restaurant where his friends always gather on saturdays. Several my friends came up and hugged me and said oh you're okay. We're so glad we've been looking for you without doing. Might be there and then they showed me the manifesto the manifest. Oh minutes before the attack. The shooter at posted document filled with anti immigrant rhetoric to the online message. Board eight chan. Some of your friends showed him a copy. So i sit down. I had some food at some. My regular saturday menudo and then i finally realized what had happened right after i read the manifesto. The crucial manifesto reads kind of like a corporate website. It has an about me section and parts where he outlines his warped vision for america he matter of factly explains how his attack will preserve a world where white people have the political and economic power peaceful means will no longer achieve his goal reporter. David nye were says this. Alleged shooter is the quintessential trump era terrorist a man largely radicalized online entrenched in white nationalist ideology and fueled by the belief that white men like himself are being replaced by latino immigrants crucial wrote that the media would blame president trump for inspiring him but he claimed that his ideas predated the trump campaign. Here's david porter cruises especially was so filled with loathing for latino people that he didn't see them as human. When david reads the manifesto he can immediately see the fingerprints of other white nationalists. Here's how crusius opens his manifesto. In general i support the christ church shooter and his manifesto. This attack is a response to the hispanic invasion of texas. They are the instigators. Not me. I am simply defending my country from cultural and ethnic replacement ron by an invasion that opening line direct signal back to a previous act of terrorism. The shooter who killed fifty one people at two mosques in christchurch new zealand just months before. David says this is part of a trend. One terrorist inspires another and the cycle continues gear mo. Says he didn't understand all of the references at first but it was clear to him that the manifesto had ties to a larger movement. He was trying to show that somebody had to take action. That really angered me at that. Brunt why would somebody come and shoot innocent people. David says crucial started doing online research. Because of the anger he felt over how the country was changing demographically in the process of doing this research he came across multiple white genocide theories including the great replacement the great replacement or replacement theory unites many acts of hate that we see across the country around the world. And that's this. That comes out of nationalism that white europeans face a global genocide at the hands of brown people and that they're being slowly rubbed out of existence. Only a few terrorists in recent years have reference to replacement theory by name but it's widely popular among right wing extremists. It's linked to ideas that are many decades old but one attack in europe. Showed how those ideas can be weaponized. Andres brive ix terrorism attack in oslo and notorious island norway in two thousand eleven breivik killed seventy seven people in a bombing in mass shooting before the attack he sent out a fifteen hundred page manifesto about how he planned to lead white supremacists on a crusade against it quote islamification of europe around the same time a french writer named renaud camus refined and popularized the ideology in a book the title translates to the great replacement and the great replacement essentially. Is this idea that brown people particularly refugees and immigrants from arab countries in europe are being deliberately brought into the country in order to replace white people as the chief demographic and the conspiracy theory claims. All of this is orchestrated by a ball of nefarious. Globalists' that's code for jews. In august two twenty seventeen white supremacists in the us took this concept as a rallying. Cry at the unite. The right rally in charlottesville. Virginia the next day a neo nazi drove his car into a crowd in killed thirty two year. Old heather higher. This incident had an immediate impact on the public perception of terrorism. Making it clear that white nationalist violence is a serious threat today. The nightmares hit home here in the city of pittsburgh at a pittsburgh synagogue in twenty teen robert bowers is accused of killing eleven people. He went to a jewish synagogue because he was angry about the latin american caravans. The caravans had been all the news in the weeks prior to that synagogue attack you know. He blamed jews and went to a drew synagogue to take revenge. For latino emigration these are the ideologies that are zigzagging across the globe in march two thousand nineteen but gunman who live streamed his mass shooting in christchurch new zealand on facebook also wrote a manifesto the title the great replacement. The new zealand manifesto inspired the paso shooter to target the people. He felt were replacing him. Recent manifestos in books put a new spin on violent hateful acts but david traces these sentiments back much further. What's remarkable in a lotta ways. When i read these manifestos is so. Many of them are expressing ideas that i read in the nineteen twenties coming from your geneticists. Look i would even take it back to the eighteen nineties when we first started seen the wave of lynchings in the south as a foreign social control this very clearly a form of terrorism after the el paso shooting activist gear glenn says white supremacist. Ideology was barely part of the conversation. There were brief efforts to unite the community against hate a few events held under the banner el paso strong the politicians the businessmen the mayor. Everybody was pushing this idea that we added survive. You know but they weren't really talking about who caused it or why before we talked for this story gear mo says he didn't identify as part of this larger group of survivors that includes jewish and muslim communities. You know you say well. It's it's the jewish people that they attacked. It's the muslim people that he attacked. And you're on the border with the mexican and central americans but nobody talks about. What does the great replacement mean. Nobody put all these incidences together and say. Hey this is something that we should be aware of nationally. And he says that's part of the failure heart of the reason. These attacks keep happening. That story from reveals friskin neely. We've been saying. These extremist groups are using online communities to spread their messages and find new recruits. When we come back we'll hear how it works. It's a conditioning process. It's a grooming process. And i let myself fall into that the evolution of the white supremacist internet next on reveal. Thanks to our sponsor net. Sweet if you're a business owner you don't need us to tell you that running a business tough don't let quickbooks and spreadsheets slow. You down anymore. Now is the time to upgrade to net suite by oracle the world's number one cloud business system that net. Sweet show you how they'll benefit your business with a free product tour at net sweet dot com slash. 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You can't tell who's going to become a terrorist with a personality tests or demographic checklist but the young white men who attacked the synagogues in pittsburgh and palais and the walmart no paso that a lot in common not only were they motivated by the same conspiracy theory about why people being replaced. They develop those ideas in some of the same spaces online to them even posted their manifestos to the same website. Eight chan now. you can't blame. Today's white supremacist terrorism on the internet. But you also can't understand it without talking about the way. The white supremacist movement uses the internet. And how it's changed over. The last decade reveals stand alcorn is tell. That story is of a man who lived here stan. Josh bates decade as a white supremacist started in his mid twenty s with youtube video about the presidential candidate. He says he supported at the time. Iraq obama i was scrolling through the comments section. You know he's a muslim wasn't or your things of that nature at somebody said you guys sound like those storm front letting the world is storm from storm front is a message board that a former. Kkk leader set up in the nineties. Josh says he went there at first because he was curious then to argue but then the middle age message board neo. Nazis started winning him over. How could they be convincing in these arguments like. Can you help me understand that a. I wish i can answer that question. Because i still ask myself that. Allot how could. I ended up falling for something like that. But i guess similar to how we look at people who fall into 'cause it's a conditioning process it's a grooming process and i let myself fall into that the experts. I talked to say that first step is more about the person than what they're stepping into. Josh had just left the marines where used to have a team and the mission now. All we had was a computer. It's pretty concurrent with a whole lot of people where they felt really deeply disempowered in their lives shimin. Martinez is a former white supremacist. Who's helped people including josh. Leave the movement and so when you encounter information that's presented that this is like the real truth the true truth people don't want you to have because if you did it would be to empowering for you and to disempowering for them like that's an incredibly powerful like toxic drug that drug widely available on the internet is at its heart a conspiracy theory. It says your problems aren't your fault. It's immigrants black. People jews. they talk about. Oh no hollywood and the media all these jews are in these positions of power. You know when you google that kind of stuff you see it and you consume it eventually after a few months kinda get desensitized to it and everybody's agreeing with everyone for the most art you get along. There's online community star front. Was kinda my first one. He didn't know their names but they were his team. Now it's been the next ten years as what he calls a keyboard warrior for the white supremacist movement. He'd be there for every step in its evolution from joining the kkk and the neo nazi national socialist movement to more diffuse groups and websites that call themselves all right and identity. -tarian some of these groups would go to some lengths to appear respectable and say we're not racist. We're not nazis were the kkk. And then some of those groups were nazis. They were the k. k. k. And you were in all of them. Does that tell you that. The differences between these groups are more about that image and the tactics than absolutely the core ideas or who they attract. Absolutely we've been using the terms white nationalism onepointoh by nationalism two point oh a few years now and one point oh is your early. Groups cookouts clan. They're they're very explicit associates movement waterhouse whilst goes on their uniforms under flags. Your two point. Oh guys they're your identity eurobus. Where other dressing in khakis collared shirts doc shoes and they got these nice cropped haircuts they call it good optics but anybody who was in the early one point oh movements like myself i can see right through you know. They just put lipstick on a pig. Solid did but people who followed the white supremacist movement for decades like type investigations reporter david wert they say that this alright makeover of the old racist right it was transformative that radical right was very backward looking very stiff and formal. They didn't have any. Humor was not part of their repertoire. Infect their primary recruitment demographic really was mandatory in the ages of forty and sixty with the advent of the outright. But we saw was this. Very tech savvy very agile movement that instead of running away from sort of the culturally savvy component aspects of the internet rather embraced them holy instead of writing racist newsletters. That people had to sign up for they were making memes and jokes and places like read it and fortune and these forms that celebrated being politically incorrect. There were perfect place for those ideas to take root hybridize with other fringe ideas and grow into something that can be shared on more mainstream platforms like twitter and facebook and it was. You know very brilliant because it meant that suddenly their recruitment demographic was much larger and had you know a lot more political activists energy They were younger. People and josh bates says that energy got a huge boost in two thousand sixteen with the rise of a new presidential candidate. They're bringing drugs. They're bringing crime their rapists and some i assume are good people because trump was spouting off a lot of the same talking points as general white nationalists. He breathed new life into that. Move and the thought leaders of the movement took full advantage. Second a take it even further and they did. They started to take their ideas into the real world. They were being emboldened by trump and acting out after trump's election in two thousand seventeen computer scientists. Megan squire setup software to track extremists on facebook. She started out studying the misogynist gamergater movement but that it letter to different anti muslim and neo confederate and white supremacist groups at the time. Facebook was a central player. If not the central player in it was the place where these guys all wanted to be. And i was looking for crossover ideological. Crossover group membership crossover. Just trying to. I guess Map that ecosystem of hate on facebook. She watched this ecosystem plan. What one neo. Nazi website would call the summer of hate anti muslim marches misogynist proud boy rallies. And what was shaping up to be this real world mita of all these different mostly online hate groups the unite the right rally in charlottesville virginia. This is where she came across josh bates. There was the person who was talking about. They didn't have enough money to to charlottesville and that someone else suggested. Hey we have the crowd funding site one at you set up a fund raiser when megan click the link. She saw this whole list of white. Supremacist fundraisers on a website. Josh had built because go fund me had started cutting them off. It was the beginning of what megan calls. All tech at. The time we're talking about tech was basically just replacements that were coated and controlled by people. Probably in the movement are close to the momentum. At least like didn't care about waste premises using their services so they're replacing patriotic with hadrian. Like it's kind of one match there but when it came to advertising the rally the outright didn't need all tech they had a facebook event page and it was being promoted by hate groups that facebook had allowed to remain on the site even after they were reported by civil rights advocates. I mean i'm a solo researcher with a laptop in rural north carolina. And i was able to find well over two thousand hate groups operating on facebook in like a couple of months. So you know i don't have a lot of the that facebook's in no it was happening right like that's ridiculous. Meghan decided to go to the rally in person in part to see if this convergence of hate she was seeing on facebook would happen in real life. Josh bates went for the same reason. Never the history of white nationalism that many people all showing up at one. Place ahead sam clamp roba all these groups all the groups that you'd ever been a member of yet pretty much and when you see that many people show up to support a common cause it kind of feels you up a little bit. Maybe a little enthusiasm among any. Maybe this isn't dying. Maybe this maybe this could go forward. That's exactly right. I believe that that's exactly why you have to shut that stuff down because this is not the kind of people we need to be a massive power. The rally wasn't shut down but when it turned violent and a white supremacist killed. Heather higher reporter. David wert says this whole plan to unite. The racist right backfired. All of these groups started splitting their is huge infighting over whether they did the right thing and in fact the social media platforms actually then began taking it seriously although that seriousness varied from platform to platform reminded me of lake. When you catch a kid doing something. They're not supposed to be doing and all of a sudden they're incredibly. Sorry but they already did. You know there wasn't a whole lot of foresight there there. Sorry after the fact it's a pattern we've seen over and over the last few years a terrorist attack happens the social media platforms put out statements. But don't fundamentally change their policies on youtube. You can still find old video manifestos from right wing domestic terrorists. Facebook didn't ban white nationalist content until a year and a half after charlottesville. The main step they did take at the time was to remove the accounts of bunch of individual users and groups. But that means. I don't get to just climbing hands okay. We're done here good job. They got platform. Because my job is to worry about where they're gonna go next. You would push them off of platforms like twitter and they would just from create their own new platform and they called it gab. And it was just straight for white nationalist and amazon gab. For instance that the man who conducted the terrorism act against the tree of life Synagogue did most of his organizing he networked with other white nationalists and had a long string racist and antisemitic posts before his infamous final message. Screw your optics. i'm going in on these alternative platforms vacant talk as though they didn't have to fear Sensors or monitors or people looking over their shoulders so they were much more open and explicit about their hateful and not just their hateful nece but frankly their lust for violence. The rhetoric became incredibly violent on a lot of these smaller platforms and this journey trying to go mainstream only to retreat back to the violent fringe. It's the journey josh. Made to and. That's kind of the trajectory of going from white nationalist. One zero two point. Zero things are going on ground and finding this thing called the base. The base is a neo. Nazi network with an explicit focus on real world violence. The shared bomb making manuals and planned paramilitary trainings to prepare for a coming race war. When news broke that eleven people had been murdered at the tree of life synagogue. They talked about in terms of tactics. Josh wrote in their private chat infrastructure is what needs targeting small hits like yesterday's most striking fear into many that only ultimately served to embolden the enemy. While they're still strong yes he i don't even remember say. I guess that goes to show those playing a role in a sense and is just starting to play this role and you start getting into. That's the sound of someone who was enthralled with the idea of being a hero. That's how the whole heroes dynamic works is that you are playing a role you've created this image for yourself of being the hero and now it's really important for you to live up to it and this is how people who've been radicalized can get talked into committing acts of violence is that they feel like they have to have to prove that they are the heros. They've made themselves out to be in their own minds. Josh left the basis chat room in november of twenty thousand eighteen. He says he was turned off by all. The glorification of violence a couple of weeks after that atlanta anti-fascist published an article exposing his long history in the white supremacist movement and within days. He was tweeting that he was out of the movement for good looking back now. I don't see myself staying in room. No matter getting. Dr not is just tiring i just don't And obviously everything about it is wrong. Ideological racial social. Everything is wrong. Other men who stayed in the base would go on to be arrested for vandalizing synagogue plotting to murder a couple. They believed were antifa activists and trying to start a civil war at a gun rights rally in virginia the f. b. i. says the greatest terrorist threat in the united states today comes from what they call lone offenders terrorists who get their radical ideas from online communities who attack without ever coordinating with anyone else in the real world according to our database. They're responsible for nearly half the terrorist fatalities since trump took office. It's a list that includes the tree of life shooter. Robert bowers the powei synagogue shooter earnest and the el paso walmart shooter. Patrick cruces a lot of people will be exposed to these same ideas and not respond in a violent way but it doesn't take very many of them to actually cause a whole lot of harm for law enforcement that tricky question here is. How can you tell from what someone says online that they're actually going to commit an act of violence but for the rest of us. There's a different question. That's maybe even trickier what do we do. When people say things online that might help push other people to commit acts of violence. Josh said in our interview that over the course of his ten years in the white supremacist movement he only spent a grand total of maybe five days doing things in the real world. His role was setting up websites. Organizing online and writing propaganda like an article he wrote for right dot com retold. His fellow white people to quote rekindle your inner hate and that an honorable. Death must be earned. You've talked about this saying you didn't do anything you were just writing things but just as you were radicalized through reading things online. So as robert bowers so as john ernest. So as patrick crusius isn't writing something doing something and do you think what i mean by doing something years. Irl like actually getting out to. That's what i'm doing something. But he's starting to think that distinction doesn't really make a difference. I didn't actually go any street brawls or physically attack anybody but that's no different than something encouraging others to do. You know what i mean. I would consider myself in a way. A domestic terrorist is i was i was spouting off some of these same ideas and you know it's feel so weird to to reference herself in that way but you know add to be honest The things josh did may not meet the fbi or the department of justice's definition of terrorism. They didn't even get him kicked off social media but he says he'll be making up for them for the rest of his life stories from reveals. Stand alcorn we reached out to facebook for comment. They sent us a statement saying that they don't wanna be a place for promoting hate or violence and that they're making progress. We reached out to youtube and the global internet form to counter terrorism as well but they didn't respond if social media companies aren't stopping white supremacist. Terrorism what about the us government. That's after the break on. Reveal you wanna know more about how we do what we do with our weekly newsletter takes you behind the scenes are investigations. Change laws minds and show. We like to say it. The world be among the first read them just takes newsletter two four seven four seven four seven. You can stop at anytime. Standard data rates apply again takes newsletter. Two four seven four seven four seven from the center for investigative reporting pr. x this is reveal. I'm outlets and a year after josh bates left the white supremacist group. The base another member of the organization shot a video of himself. Speaking into a camera wearing a gas mask. He was calling on white people to acquire weapons derail trains and poison water supplies in order to ensure the survival of the white race later. A federal judge outside of washington. Dc would read a transcript of that video into the record before prosecutors held a press conference as the evidence gathered by the fbi demonstrates these defendants who are self proclaimed members of the white supremacist group. The base were dedicated to the idea of doing harm to african americans. Jewish americans and who the defendant. You'd is a threat to their twisted idea of a white ethnos state put simply this domestic terrorism investigation likely saved lives but this law enforcement stopping white supremacy terrorism before it happens has been the exception. According to the database we put together with type investigations from two thousand eight to twenty nineteen law enforcement stopped about one. In three terror plots by white supremacists and other right wing extremists over that same period they stopped terror plots by those claiming to act in the name of islam at more than twice that rate they stopped three out of four of those in other words. The fbi seems to do a better job going. After terrorists whose ideas resemble the nine eleven attackers then the right wing terrorist. Who killed far more people in the two decades sense but in the last year and a half reporter. David says the f. b. i. statements and arrests seemed to show a shift towards taking white supremacist terrorism. More seriously it's very clear that the fbi has caught on that. This is a problem but it's also very clear that they have a lot of catching up to do and getting the fbi to describe how it's catching up is an easy. His reveals. stand alcorn again. In theory there are people who can force the fbi to explain itself congress but congress has not always been focused on white supremacy terrorism. Either for instance this hearing from twenty eleven the committee on homeland security will come to order led by republican congressman from new york. peter king. This committee cannot live in denial. Which is what some of us would do when they suggest that this hearing dilutes focus by investigating threats unrelated to al qaeda the department of homeland security and this committee were formed in response the al qaeda attacks of september eleventh. There's no equivalency of threat between al qaeda and neo nazis environmental extremists or other isolated. Madmen only actually. There are more than twice as many right wing domestic terror incidents that year as anything inspired by groups like al qaeda according to data and that was my privilege to Recognize the distinguished ranking member of the committee the gentlemen from mississippi mister thompson the ranking member or top democrat bennie thompson. Thank you very much Champion had a different perspective on a stand at our personal experiences. Play a role in how we see the world. We've all come to this place from somewhere else. I'm from mississippi. Become the first black mayor of his hometown in nineteen seventy-three a place where cross burnings used to intimidate civil rights activists twenty years later when he was elected to congress. He made national news for pushing to finally prosecute the mastermind of a kkk killing. That happened when he was in college. But we're not here in these places now as members mishearing. He brought up an arrest. That happened just the day before a man had placed a bomb along the route of a martin luther king day march in spokane washington news reports identified a suspect as a member of the same white. Supremacist group that influenced oklahoma city bomber. Timothy mcveigh i urge. You must chairman to hold a hearing examining the homeland security threat posed by anti government and white supremacist groups. Are you back over the next eight years thompson and democrats would keep asking for that hearing on domestic terrorism. They'd never get it. And i called up congressman thompson on skype but his office in bolton mississippi the same town that elected mayor nearly fifty years ago there about five hundred people. Who live in this town tibet. You must know every single one of the marlins not only do. I know them. I know their business. They know my business no secrets. We talked about how it felts to struggle to get his colleagues to pay attention to this threat of right wing terrorism. While you know it was plus straighten. Be honest with you 'cause I knew this problem growing in america and somehow committed was missing the opportunity to address. And that's unfortunate but in twenty nineteen. Democrats took control of the house and bennie thompson. Took control of the homeland. Security committee and eynulla advocating jamel. We held the here and it was only in this hearing that members of congress in the public. Get a chance to see in here for the first time What was going on this. Hearing and other democrat lead oversight hearings got the fbi to finally acknowledge the serious threat of white supremacy terrorism. They said that coup racially motivated. Violent extremism was now as big. A threat is isis. But these hearings didn't turn up a lot of details on exactly what the fbi was doing to deal with that threat on the ground. Like the number of agents are cases or so. I asked the f. b. i. Agent in charge of canada terrorism for the newark field. Joe dan i think there's really been a a surge in what we assess as as racially motivated violent extremism both here in new jersey and across the nation. I think a lot of the profiles of the subjects. We're we have seen conduct successful tax or younger males All of them really radicalized line. Now that the velocity of those threats and successful tax appears to be increasing. We obviously dedicate greater number of resources to that threat. When when you talk about that Dedicating a greater number of resources. Can you share anything In the way of numbers something to kind of just concretely. Get a sense of what that looks like you. Unfortunately i can't give any specifics on that In terms of our personnel or assets. But i tell you that there's a tremendous emphasis put on this We recognize that. The threat is evolving. And we're evolving with it. No question about it and just to be clear. Why is it that you can't give more details on that. I'm not comfortable talking about you. Know the number of agents that we have working a specific threat so no numbers and then there's the term itself racially motivated violent extremism. Why call it that. Are we primarily talking about white supremacy terrorism question that you know white racially motivated. Extremism is a very serious problem. Will what else fits into that Or what he isn't saying is the whole point of the term racially motivated. Violent extremism is that they are not just talking about white supremacists who've been responsible for more plots and attacks in the last few years than any other kind of terrorist in our database. What happened was in two thousand seventeen an f. b. i. Document was leaked to foreign policy magazine. About something they called black identity. Extremists the fbi. Define them as anyone using violence quote in response to perceived racism and injustice in american society in particular police. Brutality it was so broad former. Fbi agent mike german said basically. It's black people who scare them when congressman thompson heard about it not from the fbi but from reading about it in the press he wondered if it was really about countering terrorism at all i went through co intel pro in the sixties. Fbi staying on people of color and so they said look we trying to unfairly targeted black people and black organization again. This was a scandal and the fbi said it got rid of the black identity extremist category but in twenty nineteen more f. b. i. Documents were leaked to reporters ken clip insane and they showed that the f. b. i. Had really just taken the identity. Extremists and the white supremacists and put them both in one combined. Category racially motivated violent extremism. Can you say with confidence now. That the b. I. is not focusing on so-called black identity extremists as a terrorist threat and potentially going after no okay and why not. I hear that the head of the oversight committee looking at them. Why can't you say it with confidence that you know because you know a lot of what i've found that as a member of congress is as a term a need to know even though you might be in a classified setting and supposedly they have top secret. Clearances are still so the information they if an agency aside of for whatever reason you don't need to know it and i'll file -bility they're not going to win. The fbi is lack of transparency is why we built our own domestic terror database. And it's also why the most important thing the last congress did on domestic tear might be something that's barely been noticed tucked into the twenty twenty national defense authorization act on page nine hundred fifty seven. There's language that requires the fbi to for the first time. Lay out in detail. Its own domestic terror. Data describing every incident assessment and investigation since two thousand nine and breaking them down by category and saying exactly how many agents are working each threat. Why would you have to pass an in congress to get somebody to collect data at all to be of one's job Needless to say we had to take it to that level and you had to get it in the defense spending bill to rent. Yeah well you know what you call a little home cooking. The law gave the fbi a deadline for that domestic terrorism report. It was right around the time. This story first aired in the summer of twenty twenty but the fbi didn't make that deadline in fact the report still isn't out when i called congressman thompson again. Last week the report was than six months overdue. We can pay us all the legislation we want to but if the implementation is delay to the point that it did happen. That really doesn't help anyone. He blames the slow pace on the trump administration. So i'm looking forward to the biden administration calling on the fbi. The follow the law. We spoke on the day. He voted with two hundred thirty one of his house colleagues to impeach president trump for incitement of insurrection. The vote took place in the room been forced to flee a week before after hearing gunshots in the halls of congress. Now in preparation for biden's inauguration. The building was surrounded by high fence and hundreds of national guard. Troops were sleeping in their uniforms on the marble floors immediate comment and i'm picking up. My colleague is well. I didn't see any of this on the sixth of january. And so. I think it's a legitimate question. Where was the cavalry when you need it. He called it a failure in leadership insecurity in sharing and acting on intelligence and also called it an act of right wing domestic terrorism. The kind he's been warning about for years story was from reveals stand. Alcorn the fbi's been tracking down people involved with the storming of the capital. The same people that cops let walk away the day off. Dozens have been arrested as record this a number that's expected to grow into the hundreds but this is only the beginning the lies in the rage behind the violence. We saw that day. They aren't going to just quietly disappear and where they take us. Next is something the fbi to new president and all of us are going to be grappling with for a long time. This week show was produced by stan. Alcorn and mealy and edited by jen. Psaki tila nita's with help from mr kaplan and suo special thanks to our partners at type investigations. David niwa darren ingram and sarah blue stain victoria. Bear netscape is our general counsel. Our production managers aiming stafa are sound design. Team is the dynamic duo. J. breezy jim briggs. Fernando my man yo arruda this week show was mixed and score by rahm teen arab. Louis special thanks to jeeva meaning and brit simpson are. Ceo's krista scharf berg mad thompson is our editor and chief. Executive producer. is kevin sullivan. 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"It's wednesday february seventeenth. Everything's bigger in texas especially the power outages start here lives on the line. Millions are asking. How did cold weather lead to an electrical catastrophe. Texas has its actual own chunk of the electric grid vape. We'll break down what went wrong. And why the issues light deep in the heart of the grid. They said you can't take an ex president to impeachment. Court said fine. We'll take an irregular court. Lawyers could really try to unearth documents and emails electronic communications with the senate trial in the rear view mirror. Members of congress are pursuing new investigations the assault on the capital. And it's like a jigsaw puzzle with a national treasure. Americans rebuild walter dom invective could be more like jenga or reporter goes into notre dom to learn how difficult and dangerous it is to rebuild from. Abc news this is start here. I'm brad milkey. We lost power last night and it trickled on and off probably ten times when power goes off in a neighborhood. It can feel like an inconvenience early chance to eat and you have to rush my teeth or anything so after a while you start to worry about food staying good and see without lots of flashlights. At night. Three jackets three pants. Three socks and boots on from there. Every hour it gets progressively more dangerous. We haven't have power for the last day and a half my house last night. Breach to fifteen degrees inside and he was horrible which is why the power outages in texas. Week or so alarming. We are following breaking news. Millions of people in texas are without power. Right now is the state looks to conserve energy and relieves stress on the electric grid. I'm seventy years old. And i'm scared in houston woman and an eight-year-old girl dying carbon monoxide poisoning after a car was left running in garage to help generate heat as last night. More than three million. Texans had lost power as like the entire country of uruguay. Just turn the lights out and the reason given to us. Was you know we got these ice storms. But what does that actually mean we call it. The senior science writer for our partners at five. Thirty eight maggie curtis here. Hey maggie hi. how are you guys doing. Good so intuitively. I get why hurricane can knock out power to a place right like it. Makes the electricity poles. Come down like the water causes short circuiting but freezing. Temperatures eletricity still works in freezing temperatures. So why did this happen. Well power lines are still physical objects that can get damaged by cold for one thing so you have lots of different places in a electrical grid. Where cold weather just things down. And that is everything from an ice storm. Freezing the lions outside of your window weighing them down to the point that they crash to transformers exploded and was like fireworks. Going off for july can mean d natural gas coming out of the ground at the production site is freezing at. You know at the site of production. We're down there doing everything we can to literally put heaters in the ground to get those lines back up that can mean people workers at power plants not being able to drive to the power plant. Because it's just too icy. There's lots of different ways that whether of this extreme in a place that does not expected to be that extreme can really just start messing with the entire system by the problem is the weather is causing the outages but the weather is also causing the man to look at that moment. People need their heaters on more than ever. They need services more than ever. Why texas looks like we're seeing other power outages but we're talking about ten thousand three million. What happened in texas. Well there's a number of different things happening here and some of it has to go back to the fact that our electric grid is not a. It's not like a brand new state of the art design system anywhere in the united states and one of the things that were sort of seeing happening here with texas is that texas is like a whole other country. In north america. there are three electric grids. The western interconnection the eastern interconnection and the urquhot interconnection texas has its actual on chunk of the electric grid like the electric grid is is divided into three parts everything east of the rocky mountains everything west of the rocky mountains and texas literally texas is on its own littoral. Yes yes yeah. That's not an exaggeration. Policy direction comes primarily from texas public utility commission guided by the texas legislature. And it is like that because politics basically like. There's no technical reason why it has to be that way. There's no reason why that's even remotely an ideal situation or caught a similar to an air traffic controller. It doesn't own the airplanes or runways but it steps back and make sure everything is flowing properly and efficiently and what it ends up. Meaning is that texas can't share electricity or get electric city from the rest of the country very easily. It's possible but it's not a very simple thing to have like there's blackouts can say. Oh shoot like we need to get 'electricity from wherever colorado someone right right and this is not always a bad thing. I mean like one of the things where you see benefit to having the setup is that it ends up driving up the cost of electricity. Sometimes which means that. There's a big impetus to build more electricity. Which is a big part of why. Texas has led the nation in win development over the last couple of decades because they have all of this incentive to build more power generation. Usually they're thinking for the peak of summer which is a really great time to get wind power in texas. They're not really planning for the peak of winter. Seventy to eighty of them about ten percent are physically off-line right now physically are not working. So if you've seen. I'm sure some of the stuff around blaming wind power for these outages by working outta well. I mean when turbans still work in minnesota brian. We get a large portion of our electricity from wind. Turbines and part of that is because minnesota has. You can buy a car and upgrade all these upgrade packages while the same is true of wind turbines and all the ones in minnesota have the cold weather package installed which includes things like heaters sang and stuff like that and texas did not now. We had rotating outages in nineteen eighty nine and two thousand eleven after two thousand eleven. The public utility commission recommended updating winterizing these power plants but it was not mandated. The reason why it was seen as a costly mandate for a weather event that we really only see every ten to twenty years. of course. we're in one right now and that decision seems rather obvious. We have reached out. But it's not just wind right when you were looking at the data coming in over this weekend about where the outages were happening in texas a far greater proportion of their lost generation capacity was coming from natural. Guests are not going to pull power from first responders. You know fire station. Police departments hospitals and so that gives them very limited capability to take some people off line. Put them back online. Take other people off line and keep rolling so instead this other places that demand that natural gas so there's a lot of natural gas going to heating and there was not enough natural gas left for some of those power plants. God and so then. This is a wakeup call. i just wanna just. Who exactly is a wakeup call to. Yeah well i'd say it's definitely a wakeup call to the people that are running the electric systems because some of this is gonna have to be about like your infrastructure upgrades. I wrote a book about the electric grid about a decade ago and One of the things that i learned from that is that our infrastructure electrical infrastructure. All over this is very very old. Documents obtained under the freedom of information. Act show that before the campfire. Pg new the forty nine steel towers the carry the electrical line. The failed needed to be replaced entirely. There's a bunch of houses in america. That are still operating a knob and tube wiring. Because there's not a big incentive to spend your rennovation money on something like that if it's still working on intel it catastrophically fails alaska minneapolis. Minnesota boston new york. They'll lose power when it gets cold because they build their facilities differently. The question is are we willing to do that. And it's the same thing with the grid as a whole and again we're talking about catastrophic events that also means that in a shifting climate when you might be catastrophic weather events smushed even closer together. It's even bigger deal right. Nagy kurth there in minnesota. By the way what are we talking about. Here is in positive. Territory. oh no it's actually. It's great today. It's like ten degrees. And i went outside and i was like all okay from our friends at five. Thirty thank you. Thanks a lot. Since being inaugurated president biden has barely left. The white house made a quick trip to his home in delaware but otherwise he's remained in dc because a lot going on wisconsin or folders the devil up there. They got a lot that changed yesterday. When biden went to milwaukee capped the town hall on cnn. What is the plan and recommendation to get. Students back into the brick and mortar buildings. As parents of four children. I find it imperative that get back to school safely as possible. Say god bless son. No purgatory for you for kids home. I really mean and by the way the loss of being able to be in school is having significant impact on the children and parents as well. He was there to teach his plan for nearly two trillion dollars in covert relief. Biden's team has said he wants to do this. More tickets plans outside the beltway. Constituents fired up. After all polling shows most americans actually agree with the idea of a big rescue package. So what's the difference between this week and last week. Why not do it then will this week. Biden is the only show in town as the riders reached the top of the stairs. They were within one hundred feet of where the vice president was sheltering with his family wall. Pence was locked in a room. Just outside the senate chamber as that mob was closing in. Donald trump took to twitter to twitter to attack pence for not having courage for not having the courage to overturn the election as we lived the events of january sick during last week's impeachment trial of former president trump. That was the sole thing. People in washington were talking about was. How did this happen. How dangerous had the last few months been for democracy and who should be held. Responsible biden is betting that congress is ready to focus on what he wants to do. Covert relief but with trump's acquittal. The end actually be a long way off. Remember forty three republican senators voted to acquit trump. Many of them sang just. Because this isn't the senate business. He's a private citizen. Now will yesterday. A member of congress sued trump as a private citizen. And what happens next. Could continue to shape how we view the events of january six. Let's go to abc senior investigative reporter. Aaron katersky aaron. What's happening here brad. There is going to be a lawsuit against the former president along with his attorney. Rudy giuliani and to extremist groups. The proud boys and the oath keepers and it was filed by one of the most powerful democrats in the house congressman bennie thompson of mississippi that share of the house homeland security committee and he said it republican leader in the senate mitch. Mcconnell openly encouraged this kind of litigation trump is still otto for everything he did while he was an office as an ordinary citizen unless the statute of limitations has run. Still allowable for everything you did. While there's an office didn't get away with anything in his speech on the senate floor. Following former president trump's acquittal mcconnell said we have criminal justice system in this country we have civilization and former presidents are not immune from either. I saw the moving of the furniture blocking the do i heard the shot where A citizen was killed and so chairman thompson appears to have taken mcconnell up on the offer and he is saying that trump giuliani the proud boys. The oath keepers all conspired to incite the riot of january sixth and in doing so violated the ku klux klan act. What is the ku klux klan act. It's actually in some ways almost drafted for this situation. Even this states to reconstruction of it was passed in the seventy one and it is a a law that made it illegal to conspire to do anything that would keep congress from doing. It's business that were marauders to attempting to block it and initially. It was meant to protect southern states. Senators from constituents who might have been angry In in the aftermath of of the civil war is particular. Statute has virtually never been invoked since. Then which i think speaks volumes. About how extraordinary. The events of china is sixth floor. But here bennie thompson believes it was written just for this moment because he said that trump and giuliani the oath keepers and the proud boys all tried to keep congress from doing. It's business from certifying. The election results and he said they nearly succeeded but errantly. What is the likelihood that anyone would actually get held responsible for something that just seemed to snowball like did because the even the whole point impeachment managers were making was yeah. There wasn't one moment. Were someone said. Let's go kidnaps members of congress. Let's go storm. The capital there that that moment didn't exist that's why they had to build their case and trump got acquitted and they built it through video and audio. But what were they missing. What what kinds of things might a civil lawsuit in federal court unearth. What about emails. Or what about a text messages. Or or or Recollections of private conversations that could be subpoenaed through a discovery process ultimately the the impeachment trial was a political process and it led to a political result. This suit is being filed in court of law where the rule of law applies and so lawyers. Assuming this all goes forward and you can bet the former president's going to do whatever he can to try and derail it but assuming it goes forward lawyers could really try to unearth documents and emails electron communications anything that would build out a fuller narrative. There's still more evidence that the american people need and deserve to hear and in that spirit bread. This may not be the only thing to try and build a more full accounting of what went on on january six. Well and that's the thing erin is. Is this just a democratic member of the house several democratic members of the house saying you know we didn't see the result we wanted over in the senate we're going to keep this in the american consciousness right now. We just want to keep beating this drum or are there things. They think they can get out of these that they didn't get in the impeachment trial. Is it just about attention. Or are there actual outcomes. They're looking for brad. We're about to get our first hearing involving the response of capital police and house speaker. Nancy pelosi says she wants to invoke a nine eleven style commission to thoroughly investigate. What happened on january. Six then make recommendations for how to prevented in the future and a few minutes after donald. Trump's tweet he didn't reach out to check on the vice president's he called senator to ask about delaying the certification and while that may not come with a constitutional or legal punishment it could certainly help shape former president trump's legacy if the narrative that the democrats have presented holds that he knew full. Well that this insurrection was underway and did nothing to stop it. The lawyers are fairly confident that as a private citizen now he cannot use the shield of his office about an hour past before i was able to really know what was going on and to get out of the gallery area into what i thought was a more secure area that turn out To be a hot spot for gerona virus the congressman thompson says that as an individual. He was harmed by what went on on january. Six then is entitled to these financial awards from a court that would come directly out of former president trump's pocket and to the point about just the number of ways in which you can see this is at an impeachable offenses at a criminal fences civil one. This congressman filed a civil lawsuit with the assistance of the nwa cpi who says this should also be seen as an attempt to disenfranchise black voters. So like you said. Aaron the question of which legacy will be cemented as this all plays out. Thanks a lot thank. You are here in france. Ever thought they'd be relying on an obscure. American to keep notre dame intact or team goes inside the cathedral after the break. It's time to enjoy the view. Wherever the day takes you come on now. No fear the view girls are here. Biggest names unafraid to share their views. And hold nothing back. Talk about fame's on this show that people don't talk about and now. Abc's the view is available. As a podcast. With whoopi joy. Sarah sunny meghan and diana. This is gonna be good. Enjoy the view podcast. Listen for free on apple podcasts. Or your favorite podcast app. Every weekday afternoon. I remember flipping on the tv in april. Two thousand nine hundred and seeing something. I never imagined notre dom cathedral burning the pictures from paris at this hour just catastrophic. It was heartbreaking to watch the ladders. Were not telling us those. Were not strong enough to the point where i was like. Oh my god is. The notre dame cathedral literally burnt the ground. Before my mom's the spire of the eight hundred fifty year old. Notre dame cathedral collapsed caving in the roof and golfing this historic. landmark inflames. Since then it's become difficult to describe. Just how close. It came to being demolished and how difficult it will be to rebuild. We'll guess what yesterday. Abc's foreign correspond. James longman got an exclusive tour inside and he found the future of notre dame might actually rest on the work of a dead american professor james. Now because james. I was not ready for this. I was expecting to hear. Hey here there's patching the cement working happening behind me and yet to hear you. This sounds actually a lot more complicated and really a lot more. What are you seeing there. Yeah i mean actually. It was a total surprise to us. We were led inside the not true damn compound you have to go through this kind of decontamination process. It's getting on some kind of starship because of the lead. We're actually not even allowed into this part. Because they're so worried about lead inhalation. You need a specialized mosque in order to go in. The amount of lead that melted was lining the roof into the cathedral. Basically the reason why that roof collapsed on two hundred tons of lead on not reef poisonous. Substance is everywhere. Now it's embedded in the stone in the metal in the woodwork. And it's everywhere in the air so you have to wear these kind of tie suits marching around and we will lead not i into the cathedral itself but to attend nearby. Here they've done here is they recuperated everything they found all the bits of woodwork carpentry. The mason they needed to retrieve that was found scattered along with the floor of notre after the fire where the chief archaeologist is busy with her team trying to piece together the pieces of stone that fell about distance. Some thirty meters from the roof of notre dame all. It's basically an enormous puzzle and put them together and work out where they went. Originally in order to these stones. Back in to rebuild the roof ocular america one hundred talent the guy behind it is an american. His name is andrew talent belgian american. I should say. And he absolutely loved notre dame he was not historian a professor of vassar and he dedicated his life to not dom happens in two thousand fourteen. There about twenty two plan of not and that's the one you're using victim. Well sadly he died in two thousand eighteen so he never saw the fire but his the plans that they're using now in in in notre dom to try to rebuild the church and it's pretty extraordinary to head archaeologist said to me his the only plans that survived because for that specific part they don't have any others say americans rebuilt not down victim. But why does that matter so much. If obviously this is not gonna. It's not all going to be original. Would everything there are. Parts that just got burned. What is the problem with having stone air that stone there well. They have to work out with renault. These particular stones were structurally sound. Shit kevin from the roof. That's the worst thing. They might have cracked a block rather than the defines early so they have to take these out clean them properly get rid of all the lead and then either get them into a position where they can be put back into the church all use them with this cutting edge laser technology to then four new pieces of stone using them as a model to then Make new stone. That can be used to rebuild notre dame. So it's a long long process. Somebody blocks They're gonna have about ten originals. That make it into this and the only just started really piecing these bits of stone together because the main part of the project so far the last two years has actually been just to try to stabilize that building. One of the weakest parts of the hull structure between these two towers and that was what was really worrying. Onlookers on that night and has worrying. Engineers tech's ever since still not filled completely secure because of the roof that gaping hole in the roof which i managed to climb up on the roof and how to look down through the big hold about spy collapsing. Levinson ends of what was once volt at this place. Miss still welcome to skill the building now and so. Then what will this end up looking like james like. What is the plan is it. Are people going to go to paris and several years. Wow that's not dahmer's is going to look like something different. They have tried very much to keep to the original plan. There were there was a kind of a of competition if you like. Different architectural designs of what the new not dominant light. But it's actually now going to look exactly the same as it did the day before it went up in flames but there have been big delays. Because this thing is so complicated. They've got something like ten thousand separate pieces of wood. They need to sort. The hit originally wanted to get this thing properly roofed in order for visitors to be able to come back by the olympics in paris which is due to be held in twenty and twenty four. No one here is saying that's not going to happen. But they're very very cautious about saying that it is it does feel it's going to slip but it is a huge symbol of national pride for the french. You're saying that wrong. With assad still looks incredible is other and so it was a real pleasure actually to see all these different workers coming together with their different skills to try to rebuild their national emblem fascinating stuff. I james longman there in paris. Thanks so much thanks. Thanks brad and one last thing. The filing was one hundred pages long but a judge's ruling could just been summed up in three words. No take back sees we told you about this case a while ago revlon. The makeup company needed a ton of financial help and took out. 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Episode #1624: The New Phil Hendrie Show

The World of Phil Hendrie

31:13 min | 1 year ago

Episode #1624: The New Phil Hendrie Show

"Okay guys the Super Bowl matchup is now set. We got no game this week but we can talk about the Super Bowl can't we. Can't we talk about the Kansas City and the San Francisco Super Bowl. I know that Coach Dosier was well he was he was big on campus. Green whole thing blew up in his face. It did and he was disgusted with himself. But you know what he knew. That was going to be a long shot. Now you're talking football too. Yes you have to sit here. Yeah you sit there. You don't tell me what to do. Wait a minute. If you don't mind Margaret would jump at the show of you know we're doing a classic today so anyway go ahead general. He said he thought he wanted Kansas City and Green Bay. Because that was the the very first super bowl wasn't is a New York. Hey Bud were you alive then no okay just back off. It was the what was uh-huh. Oh Yeah Right. Kansas City Kansas City in Green Bay. What about the New York jets? What about a man that was like Super Bowl three-man oh-oh-oh hello super bowl? Joe Nemeth right yeah joining US anyway so there is no game obviously there is a pro bowl I mean they. Hey there's some hot action yes sure a pro bowl anyway. There is a beautiful beautiful super bowl coming up man the conference championship games. Of course Was Kansas City defeating. Tenessee as we knew they should but that that Green Bay San Francisco Games. A long shot. He knew it was a long shot. He said it was a long shot and it was talked about and discussed a long shot and in fact it was at the end of the day. Yeah as long shit yes okay so it was a long shot so he didn't pick it right no he did not pick it right anyway so we got a big Gus Super Bowl game coming up. Make sure that you you get an account at bet online dot. Ag That's Bet online dot ag your online sportsbook expert. And if you're a full refund you have that and during the regular season we are the top show or you know at least in our minds the top show. Well you don't have to be top show. You can't just be in your mind you can but to not gonNA make any money. No it won't make any money but anyway if we are the top show the newsstand to pick up one hundred bucks man if you over and set up for a free account at bed online dot. Ag Make sure you use the Promo Code podcast one for a fifty percent sign up bonus man now. You can't beat that Jack. That's a fifty percent sign up bonus. Setting up for a online account had been online online dot A. G.. Start Thinking about your super bowl pick Who Are you picking Phil? 'cause you haven't said what are you like. Oh I told you already man Oh yeah you. Don't Kansas the city. I'm going with Kansas City only because this is the first super bowl. Kansas City has been in since Super Bowl number one since super bowl number four. You said it was the jets. But I'm going to bet you know it was not the jets. Oh Yeah it was. Kansas City digest was number three million nuts. But when you say about four the brigade a good idea anyway. This is the first super bowl. The gypsum the Kansas City going to fill. Don't do ten years for killing van. Do it felt be climbing. The walls get back off so so anyway man get get sign up for online account at bet online dot. Ag Anybody that has this much damn fun doing their gig every day. Like I does me Phil Hendrie I don't know maybe it'll be against the law but get out get an online account about online dot. Ag I pick the Kansas City chiefs for the Super Bowl. We'll talk about it more next week. Thank you bet online dot ag. Hey you're online sportsbook experts. Yeah from a and either creators of cold case files comes next true crime podcast obsessions PD stories stories. Every week law enforcement professionals join host Tom Morris Junior from America's most wanted and live PD to share their experiences their insights and perspective on policing. You're not gonNA WANNA miss this show be sure subscribing podcast one apple podcasts and many other podcast APP so you can get new episodes. Welcome folks to our show today. This is Friday. It's a classic Friday. It's not always going to be a classic Friday the last few weeks we've been doing classic Fridays. Because we've been very very busy with other things but I think you'll enjoy this. This comes from our archives. Now man this comes from on our thirty five thousand plus hours archives than business pre two thousand seven so this is from the radio show and this is from September of two thousand four. We just As we usually do we went ahead and just threw a dart and see where it landed. This is from September twenty eight two thousand four hundred. Lloyd Bona Fide. Bit One of the characters that We don't do anymore because Lloyd was like a Korean War veteran and his you know he's retired and he's half crazy harvey another one that we really do because Harvey should be over one hundred right. Well no not over one hundred. But he's in his nineties. Harvey would be in his nineties. Harvey was pan. He's a marine all that stuff. So here is Lloyd Bona Fide from September twentieth. Two thousand four and. Here's a Korean. War veteran who across the street from him has moved in or has been there for a while anyway another elderly gentleman who has a corvette parked in his garage and has weighed equipment. And it's As far as Lloyd is concerned it's causing too much of a stir among all the quote old ladies on the block. This guy is some sort of a sexy guy. So let's check this out now. Lloyd Bona fide the heating and plumbing guy from Alhambra California You know his wife Marge and all of the antics on his street and with his business from September of two thousand four. Today's Phil Hendrie show classic Friday breath and Henry go ahead man. We're on the air. The go ahead insisted we are very concerned. Of course what these candidates will do for for senior citizens the the situation in your neighborhood though. Well this gentleman who has moved in to this home across the street from our home is a senior citizen himself. here's a way to Is my wife is closing the door to the den He's a widower is sixty five years of of age He has this gym exercise equipment and so forth. He's got a sports car. The neighborhood hould. We live in is primarily senior citizens mostly owned our homes for quite some time. I bought the house. We live in now in nineteen fifty fifty seven when I was discharged for the navy and in San in Long Beach and we moved up here and most of the people here have lived in the neighborhood neighborhood for a long time. This gentleman now has moved in and he is exhibiting a lifestyle that I think is is unusual for the rest most of us. Because we're we're retired people I am but a retired and he is. I think we don't. I don't WanNa get a lot of these especially our wives who Senior citizens are wives. Older Women Oh ladies and and this guy. We're we're afraid it's GONNA get agitated. I guess what. What do you mean by agitated? This is a He's a single ban Yes sir. He's a whiz life past started. Believe last much okay and his presence with the gym equipment that he has with his sports card guard. So on we've got a situation in our neighborhood where our wives content they are. They're older women and they used. You're still a very content life. Okay and what. What is your excuse me? I got a frog in my throat. What is your primary concern with this man moving in the primary concern valleys that he's going to get the way a lot of the women another these are all all ladies are going to get a little restless and at are going to get agitated by his presence and I spoke with my wife about it and she understood she said and and you know It isn't any secret by a lot of these men are taking blood pressure medicine As a result they're not able to Engage which I guess is the is the way to put it politely. A physically and you don't want to stir up a lot of these ladies when you when you have this guy. So aww what has he done anything overtly well. I went over to his house and I did what I do with every new neighbor I said. Oh my name's Lloyd Bona Fide. Welcome to the Dave I said okay. That's that's out of the way I said I wanNA tell you that you're you're you're you're unusual for this neighborhood and you're gonna you're you gotta agitate a Lotta these little old ladies that live here. And he was listening to me and I sit back by the gym equipment so we asked him if he would closes garage door so he's not showing gym equipment and and the car and also to keep the car in the garage so that he's not flaunting. Learning is lifestyle in such a way as agitated and get these old. You know a lot of Wife stirred up. Are you afraid that he is going to have an affair or I. I don't I don't know I don't believe so but you you'll make you don't want to get the wives in this neighborhood. We don't want to get them dissatisfied di-did stirred up and you know one eight hundred four four nine eight six six. I think I think I understand what you're saying. So you have asked this man to close his garage door. And this is the thing that I think. Bush and Cheney need to address and and and and very concerned to tell you the truth because he said to me. Why do I have to close by garage door and I said well down here see now? You're now you're getting my face and he did not want close his garage door thus not being people can't. Let's see the gym equipment. That's right it's his right Well let me tell you what this is the neighborhood. We protect our women in this neighborhood and he's got gym equipment. He's got a car and it gets these. These wives have is that they get. You know they're gonNA get agitated and so I told this guy. Let me tell you what I want. That garage door closed. I want that gym equipment out of sight and I want that corvette out of sight and he says to me well. I don't have to do that. I said let me tell you what other Korean War veteran hold on. Let me get. Let me take the pulse in the audience on his. I told the Navy veteran Do you have the right to tell your neighbor to close his garage door to keep the gym equipment and his corvette and everything from being seen outside of his house because he is a. I guess you could say that. This man is aid a single available senior citizen that is correct and so a lot of the women in the neighborhood hood. Even though they're all married you say are going to get agitated. Because you don't know what you mean by agitated thinking thoughts and and you know we got a lot of friends of mine who had blood pressure pressure better citizen and so on and so forth. They can't do the businesses you say you know and all ladies that live hero because we've kept the women. What did you see the women? Well no we've kept women are calm and and and have a nice ray lifestyle. Now this guy comes with his corvette the veterans gym equipment so I told him close the garage door and he refused. He refused me and I said Oh. Let me tell you what I. v United States naval veteran. So that didn't seem to oppress see Accident Korea so I I have written a letter to city council the all right one eight hundred four four nine eight six eight six. Lloyd Bona Fide You live in Alhambra right yesterday. And you have told a neighbor to keep the garage door closed where he has gym equipment. A Corvette Corvette and other manifestations I would say of a of an active single life. He's living in a neighborhood. That's the other thing. Why did he move into our neighborhood? Where we we have a great many Older women who I can't I you know who health this left that Strong and he runs around with what is gym equipment in his corvette which could only agitate these ladies all right. I understand so you're asking why he's moved into. The neighborhood. Generally exhibiting a single single lifestyle while there's so many married couples many of the an older women who are going to get over wrought by his presence. Well I I don't know if the words over but you got a lot of these old women who are very to us and they sit there and now here comes this guy showing up. All of his gym equipment added can only let me tell you I know women. I've been married for forty years. It only stimulates them. It agitates ads so so you feel it reasonable to go and tell him shut the garage door shut to garage door and with the corvette comes in and goes in the other thing is. He doesn't automatic garage door opener so what he does. He's got an open so that's all the more time the corvette sitting on the driveway and I said let me tell you what you gotta garage door opener. You could go down to sears and get the genie garage door opener. The man will come out and install and he said well you know he mumbled something. So I I You know this is why. I've talked to Congressman Thompson or excuse we city council Thompson and why. I'm concerned with the debates on Thursday night a single. Oh man and a widower who he's the same age as the rest of you guys about sixty five sixty six okay. He's a little bit younger but he's his moved into your neighborhood. He has single and he has a corvette and and he's kind of active and you feel that him exhibiting all of that gym equipment. Having his corvette parked out in the driveway only serves to. I'm quoting according to agitate and make the local the women in the neighborhood a little restless and start thinking impure thoughts. Or what have you I. I so what you are asking this man to closes garage doors. You can't see his corvette gym equipment and he has refused to do that as refused to do that. Now I waiting waiting for a response from the city councilman. I really. Don't WanNa go to to to the next level because if I go to the next level I'm a Korean War veteran want want please don't intimate violence and let me tell you what I am not going to be by. I don't know I don't do that. I'll go up to him and L.. Put a finger on his face and I'll tell him that will you don't WanNa have to muscle a neighbor when you can solve these things amicably. what is it to be a good neighbor in the case of this one man Anna lives across the street from Mr Bonifay would like him to simply closers garage door so his corvette and his gym equipment are not readily seen by the wives in the neighborhood who who have been married many years to their husbands and could become as he said overwrought or agitated seeing this available senior gentleman who is single a widower. His wife died my understanding last spring. He's gone to a city councilman and he has also talked to a couple of local congressman about his rights to go over there and shut the garage door. Feel hungry Shell. All right Lloyd Bona Fide with me gentleman lives in Alhambra California. The neighborhood they live in is is one that is I guess if the kids have grown up and moved away is that correct. I share we all hat I raised my daughter here and so everyone. There is pretty much a senior in your now and this this new man moved and he's a senior citizen but he's single. He has a lot of gym equipment. He drives a corvette This show it on and I simply I said to him. Let me tell you what. Keep Your Corvette and your gym equipment inside the garage because you are all the women in the neighborhood are all getting stirred dirt up a lot of bad blood pressure medicine and so forth Heike. You're on the Field Henry show. Hello Ma'am I make a comment. Tehran has been listening to This gentleman has lived there for several years. I don't understand why he is upset because he thinks the winner are going to get riled up what the problem is. He is jealous of this new man that has moved into the neighborhood because because he obviously is United States. I'm about ex-spouse spouse bivalve. More officer to and I've lived that type of I want you to know got jealous being in the sixties. You should have ron to live anywhere that you want to. I don't want him to. I'm not asking. You want to own a radio gym equipment. Okay can you hear Lloyd. Don't interrupt I WANNA make a point number one. I'm not trying to get the Amanda move. I simply want him to keep his car at his gym equipment hidden away from the women because one more hidden from a neighbor. Did you keep your job. Take my lawn mower is an obscene way. Try Out mowing the yard. You'RE GONNA stop the ladies and you automaking let me talk. You WanNa make a joke about a man not being able to do the business because he's not nothing to do with it. Okay Pan looking difference the artful well. Here's the what I simply asked him to do. Keep keep his gym equipment in his corvette he can go out and you know he wears wraparound sunglasses. And don't you got his hair all oil back the way I don't see where years out. Where do you not have any have because I happen to be an American? I'm not one of these greasy. You know what a lot of times we hear glasses are very popular for all ages. Span is sixty. Six years of age has found business driving a corvette that s not wait a minute wait a minute we know business driving. He lives in a neighborhood with retired people with old ladies. That only get agitated when they see this kind of thing that makes that are you. Are you a windows like do you let them do you. Do you just look at women and then go on about your business. Let me tell you what it doesn't hurt thing for the women to see him out there and go about their business will Act upon going over there and getting acquainted with him in a in a intimate way. That's where bears. That's where it's wrong. Well that's what they should. I don't know why you should be upset because this man has been there and has these items. And are you on my wife's body in shape right bill bill Macmillan lifts next door to me I said I seen your wife and she was looking at him and bill. You know at at talked doc to his wife and and and she she got with the program what what do you mean. She was looking at him. I had seen her out front looking over there at his corvette. I said the billion wife is is getting agitated and worked up by this guy don't even as she did not your wife. I okay thank you for your call. Let's go to Lily Lily. Go ahead you're on with bona fide. Hello yes let me go ahead hello. I'm I live in Bellevue Bellevue Washington and I was born in one thousand nine hundred forty three. I'M GONNA be sixty two next year and I think to have someone next door to you that drives a corvette and have exercise equipment. It's the way you should live because if you had some exercise equipment maybe you could throw the heart medication away. Sixty no wait a minute. War Korean War. I see guys get my husband. Served served also in the Vietnamese war and he was Korea back. That is okay. I'm sixty. I'm going to be sixty two years old next year. I can't wait for social security purity and but I tell you this is every day and to have someone that's in their sixties drive a corvette in exercise. I think that's a model for us. That are in our sixties by the pain that you hide away. Here's the problem. He drives this corvette that causes this vibrating sound. And I think you know what I'm talking about did it is wonderful rates and everything women can now L. Akwa or a Harley has a wonderful natural vibration and so do barbells and and right hike food and minerals have seen your vibrations. Because you want to shut things like that. Out For a woman to straddle the man for woman of your age to straddle a Harley Davidson and get your kicks shove cheap crown. I Chop Wood with my husband. I use This guys out there and then we have a so in other words. You Start Harley Matthew Dame could I ask you a Qu- so you got a Harley Davidson because you want to feel the vibrations obscene that is technically the wait a minute wait. That's not what she said. This guy with his corvette is trying. The women have a corvette wonderful show. You like to run around out there and show everybody what you got. No not me Mr that me now all right good vibes. I've eaten some dried food drive through. I'm eating dried fruit right now. Which keeps me clean? And that's all I need and yet you and this guy with his corvette news vibrations vibrate all okay. Kind of you've got the wrong idea cave. Thank you very much. Lloyd Mike Go Ahead. You're on the Phil Hendrie show new listener As for the aspirin is old guy. Dude needs to go to Dan Denney get his get his early bird special and keep watch matlock. So so that's what you think Yeah well let me let me tell you what else. He's GonNa close his garage door he's GonNa graduate or is he showing off everything to the neighborhood ladies. 'cause you wants to you could go. This is key boxing your matlock and don't worry about him. Hey I don't watch matlock. Okay good I watch a TV land. They have a lot. I bet you think you're some kind of a tough guy Like the dude is not Trying to he's trying to get in my grill man. What a moron? All right Uh Whatever world-famous Phil Hendrie show the filming we shall. We need a checkup from the neck up on Lloyd Bona fide with me for a last round of phone calls. I just want to ask you if the man does. There's refuses to this this. This gentleman lives across the street from you. He has his garage door open showing his gym equipment. Showing a corvette you say the guy whereas wraparound shades and sixty five and. I don't have any problem with the way of Ad Libs. Well it sounds to me like you do. It sounds to me like you don't want you say the women in the neighborhood char wives CBS. Who who look over at him and they start taking about they get agitated and start happen thinking about leaving the life that they have because these guys are blood pressure? Medicine can't do the business so then she wants to ride around in sub guys corvette feel it. Vibrate up doubted everything. And it's it's seen and I told the guy I said that garage door is GonNa get shut one way or the other and I can tell you right now because I was a welder. The Navy When I first started out I could well that garage door shut over there? Well that got you need to calm down calm down would get response to. This is the reason. Why the guys that run for president? I WanNa look at these debates on Thursday night. You'RE GONNA well two guys garage door shut. You're going to get into some legal problems. The Korean War veteran's all right. Here's Sonia go ahead Sonya where they have a common. This is the United States of America. The land of freedom of yeah. And it's you lose Standards Korea Reuter Chinese your wife Jason Shot You. Don't mind your own business and the men had expect the men of sixty years old active. Jim Corvette that. Maybe you should learn how to what did you say. Well she won't listen the Bay. I fought for this country in Korean. This the bride of Frankenstein here is telling me. What is the bride of Frankenstein supposed to mean? Where are you from Sonia from Russia? No I born in Egypt by Africa I managed good. I met in American and I live on United States for Serbian. CBS and I love the country. Because of my freedom or you can Shoulda Shoulda. You wanted to go so soon you you're saying just shut the door. We're in mind your own business to wait a second. Let me get this. Let me get this straight. You're taking the side of King touch sister here over me. I'm not taking no side you can you know everybody business. Because they're afraid to lose your life so handsome men working working and having a good time and size and shape. You don't show you move out for you. Would you do your favorite just say the following words. Three tunnel leaves is all you need to reactivate the mummy go ahead. What are you trying to do now? Don't you know how to leaves. Are I come to this discount. Discount and I met anyone. I don't need an India's like USA telling me what to do. I thought for this country in Korea against what articulating. That's different Dr. Nobody is disrespecting that what we're saying. Lloyd as this country you don't go over and well two guys. Garage is door shut because his he's got gym equipment. And can't you say the tunnel leaves will bring you know what's the tunnel leaves man. Probably for God's sake that only a little bit more like the the Gypsy lady in the movie the Wolfman movie go say that whole deal about even a man who's good and says his prayers at tight. Can we cover wolf. Where the wolf's Bane bloop said the Buddhist full of right you do that he that guy that guy to have fun we can nuts good have a good all the time and enjoy what is left of his life he let me ask you how to get along Egypt Sonia that you carry a basket on your ahead did you know how does that work you know what Mr Bonaparte? You don't need to insult nobody. I WanNa know what advocated and you need. I've been around the world series six countries around the world. You've land I love what I land magical and free them land. What matters state I wanNA? I WANNA ask the question if I could. Because I'm the guest right. Yes sir. Are you interviewing Cleopatra here what's going on Sir I am talking to my callers in your smart ass remarks you calling me a Spanish. I got a guy across the street. My wife wants to vibrate in his corvette. And you've got the lady or the light here who You know give her half a chance. It's GonNa turn into a Werewolf. You know how to play the flute to make the snake out of the basket. That kind of a deal soon. You thank you for your call. 'cause down what he's doing is he's just being a smart ass. I think you made some very good points. Okay thank you I thank you very very kind. That cares it right there. The fact that you're being nice nice to some lady who probably gave a guy some kind of a potion tournament If you've ever heard sudden turned into what are you talking. What about man was the last time I seen a frigging Wolfman? That's the Gypsy Lady. I bet you buddy that's the gypsy layer of so help me. Jesus I'll slip both wrists right down the street saying Jesus Jesus anything aid the Gypsy Lady. Give me the phone. I'm sorry all right. Yes this is the Phil Hendrie show the kitchen. I'm sorry this radio show yes I'm very sorry Aw He is. That man is one of our patients. I thought he was a guy that He called all radio show. He called John Cannon. All that mess you could get on a show happens. Everybody believed the Gypsy ladies asked twin. So I'm very sorry Sir and This is this is the Phil Hendrie show. He got out of our day room and got over to the payphone. After we gave him a court he wanted to get a paper. I said we're here for you. Go Get a paper turn out well by candy sticks in my fancy rogue at the Gypsy is going to be too aware if I WANNA thank the bad boy. Hold off the bat boy. Oh please the name of everything. Holy cow it hurts good okay. I'm done yell Mr Henry. Love your program. The WHO word up to your mom all right there you go. That's Loyd something's going on over there at the retirement home. I don't know what he's calling from his house with that his wife is a net. Been What Phil Hendrie Shell at a Korean war better. Ed You back a bloody stuff.

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How Feeding Hungry People Is An Act Of Love with Jos Andrs

The Doctor's Farmacy with Mark Hyman, M.D.

1:05:38 hr | 8 months ago

How Feeding Hungry People Is An Act Of Love with Jos Andrs

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He goes around with compassion feeding everybody WHO's hungry without question at incredible speed all across the world in a way I don't even understand. He's been named times hundred most influential people and won the two thousand fifteen national humanities medal. He was also nominated for the Nobel Peace Prize for his work in world central kitchen, which is no small. In twenty, thousand and two, thousand, eighteen, he's a connery invaders a chef I've known because of his incredible restaurants in his food He's the founder and chef Kohner of think food group, which has thirty restaurants throughout the country and I just admire him so much as an author and educator humanitarian and you know he's doesn't just want to feed the few he talks about he wants to feed the many you trained in Ablity, which is Nardelli. The number one restaurant in the world in Spain, took a year to get a reservation in there and you know treating. Food is incredible experience that was almost religious for a very few people that got you experienced it but he really now has shifted his work to feeding literally millions and millions of people around the world through the World Central Kitchen, which is a nonprofit. That's specialize in delivering food relief in all sorts of natural humanitarian disasters In fact, he served three point seven million meals to the people of Puerto Rico after Hurricane Maria and has since more than twenty million meals around the world in every country magic from Mozambique to Uganda to the California wildfires dealing with fires to every kind of disaster any anywhere there's a disaster Jose's runs at it most of us runaway he leans. covid nineteen he's been at the forefront of trying to deal with the changes in our food system, the lack of access to food and. It's just partying with all sorts of groups and government small farms partners to really deal with this issue of hunger and food insecurity. He's from Spain where I was born and has become a good friend and I'm so honored to have him here on the podcast doctors pharmacy. So welcome. Thank you, mark you. An honor do we with you? Well you know you're you. You said something winds, which is really struck me when I was a sort of reading about what you're doing. We've been able to do weaponize empathy without empathy nothing works, and you know as a chef know we think of shop says as about pleasure and deliciousness and sensation and enjoy man hedonism. But you know you talk about things like we may make sure where building walls that are shorter and tables that are longer. So. These are very different ideas to cover. Michelle. How did you come to? To get your more compass, how are you raised in a way that led you to be this incredible human being they've got nominated for Nobel peace? Prize. Well. I don't know back. I was nominated used the press said on I. Think Congressman on the congressman would actually over the years nominate me but but I don't you don't know. I tell you one thing that I just travel the walls that gone on. To every country, I go to every mission hail. From Haiti. To what Damola he's always people that that blows your mind away about the Mason commitment they have. To improve the lives of others. Without any recognition Without allow resources sometimes I'm those to me are there will be. On the run these will. the the heathen heroes that day there were. No matter what. UNDAY deliver on behalf house fast. So those are really the people that inspired me. So my mom, my life was like any other boy growing up in to Spain neither fast my mom thought they. My. My aunt was a pharmacies, my my uncle alter. My father and my uncle wargame to that. American base. For. A few years. I always watch my mom my dad when I went to them at the orbital because they wargin for shifts and so the husband that was the dropping psalm for my brothers and I and I. Feel very comfortable in a hospital in the emergency room But then we wi-with I was on and for me always seem that those men a woman will go the extra mile even beyond their shifts after they ended that they will be there reading a little book to keep that their family then the ride yet or that they will. Walk while all Burson. person. Because I didn't had any family member to do it with them. That was those little gestures that show me that some of the deep problems we're facing humanity actually they have very simple solutions misuses Dunkin an start doing is stop dropping in a room full of people start putting your boats go on the ground. The problems are under star. Solving. Won't brought him. At the time. So I guess that's how everything began. Inches really unusual quality when think about it because you think of most NGOs or various groups, there's a lot of planning and conversation and discussions, and you're like there's hungry people they need right now they need water right now they don't you in a week. We're going to go down there. We don't know what's going on. There's no resources mean you went to Puerto Rico after the earthquake and figured out within a few. Days. How to feel hundreds of thousands of people make food from scratch weren't giving process meals ready to eat packaged food from the World Food Program. It's usually garbage. I. Saw in Haiti you're giving them real food and you're doing it in a situation which is almost impossible. I mean there's an old Chinese proverb that says, you know people who say it cannot be done should not interrupt those who are actually doing it. And I agree. I went to Haiti after the earthquake I think like you we were both called to go there me as a doctor you as as a chef to feed the hungry and Really changed me because I think it. It made me realize that you know it's those small acts that that make the difference in the world that you can do something you can always do something and that being of service is such. I mean it's such a selfish thing in a way. Because Altruism and acts of service are ways in which we actually give meaning and purpose in our life and make us feel alive and good and I I see that in you is when you are out there helping people and doing things and you know we're watching you on sixty minutes recently on your profile you're you're just animated and alive and excited to be actually helping others. You're not doing this to make money. You're not doing this to build another restaurant. You're like you're like I'm I just see there's a hunger and a need and I and I WANNA help it. For me. It's hard sometimes in the old days. You still be home, watch. On see the suffering all photos that. sometimes the only thing back in my case. The mission is simple, right? Off Feed, the hungry I'm bring water to thirsty. On. It's a simple mission. The only difference between why I do what was kitchen dyson. I is that we take the word emergency. By its real value. Emergency means now. If you're talking emergency about food means you need to be feeding people shown. Within forty eight hours. You're talking our water means now we need to be eating feeding people, but we for hours on anything else would enough no, I rightly trade. People in emergencies wasn't drunk kitchen men and woman they know that they need to be providing services. In the same way we will provide Serbis enough for profit restaurant. If you don deliver within twenty minutes. Probably you'RE GONNA be. YELP. On. He's GonNa be nice. As on you don do surveys because you don't want to being jailed. You might do good service because stats. Yes. EXCELLENCE DO PROVIDE JUWAN to dream. You want to achieve. Okay. In Marion, we tweet every single one of our people like our guest. On their our guests in dame of me, would you even brings a higher level of necessity of dawn of of not failing. being. Success An morning board than he said, moment people wanted to see faces. Somebody that the ride. That brings the light of of hope. That somebody cares they are not alone that is coming. That things will be better. This is vital. That's why sewing ordinary in cease to be there in the face of people assume as you can because that way you ring inside of these down, you'll make people relaxed children to feel better when they see a foreign face that comes from the outside that sends a message to the communities that things will be better tomorrow and these hope sometimes is the only thing that people have. I need to see that I mean, you know you saw when you win brought food to the homeless and the parks and bags of food and you just you know I. Much, you just wanted to hug them. And then they they were just so grateful and you can see the relief in their faces. downgrades will do you know I need pandemic I've been be sitting because we have so many places that we are feeding but in Washington. DC I always in every emergency tried to get into a quick. So I, spent my dime what I go be sleeping meal news sites or opening Neil feeding places but then I always tried to have something like allows me to have certain kinds of continuing. On so borrow Michael Dinwiddie was helping organizations like this kitchen and Martha stable in Washington DC defeating the seat, which is where I leave and I will go to the headquarters every day where we were doing from one kitchen twelve, thousand music from that one. on night will try to do the tour of the different sites that nobody was feeding for different reasons because the. Shelters were over overload or because the one I go to the shelter a whatever I I'm when you get to know that people like I tried to and you listen to their stories under on their recent of why they arm on the streets, you'll see that sometimes I wish I had the power to. Do To us find this really quick solutions. Those people give them home on a stable job. Doug will bring them out of the streets and all the time they call I a net contributor to our communities. So many interesting people with with Wade's that very helpful. Very smart. Yeah. They ask an opinion about the country we should have the city we should have on on these gives Myard because those are people we need to. Listen more to because they are homeless, they should not be listened to. They can be part of the solution only given the opportunity to to to to speak up. It's true I mean most of us never take the moment to sit down with someone who's homeless and listen to Her story and really understand what happened to them, how they got their what their struggles are with their challenges are Nina we sort of have this. Incredibly disparate society and I. You're you're you're focused on hunger and and you know in America where we produce, you know probably close to five hundred, one, thousand calories more per person per day than people actually need to eat We still have rampant hunger were forty, six million people are on food stamps where one in four kids is hungry where I mean it just it's it's almost unfathomable that we have the wealthiest nation. In the world and yet we are still struggling with these disparities because we don't really have a model for a food system that is equitable and fair and produces good food that Craig good health that helps people you know build back their lives is it's really tragic as a chef. How do you? How do you see the way? The food system is structured now and how does it perpetuate this cycle of disease obesity and? Health disparities that we see so much now. I think the bounty we we enjoy now in in America in. Europe. the big production that humanity is able to achieve right now. Everybody would agree that the amount of calories we produced landed there. Are Know. Exponentially more the the the foot. Really we need as humans. We we see these amazing. We need to concur countries are on the walk in our own cities. We we we have people that they have more than they need they we have. People that don't even happen also to to to to to feed themselves on day under under children another dime in the moment we're leaving this this crazy time that in days if you were hungry, you are bored will be skinny Remember that one of the reasons is good launch. Pass in nineteen forty six was thanks to the Pentagon under requirement of the military. To the US Obermann, tween create to create the system so they could feed children in America so they would be healthier so they could join the ranks of the military. Astonishing to thank the military was the one that really created the reds fan indirect. This could lunch. Program but today we have these moments that we may have people that they are show how obese. But the steel in many ways they're hungry. They're, unhealthy. On these people take it as almost like a joke like they're laugh at you. But the truth is that we we forgot these the meaning of nutrients versus the meaning of calories humans we come produce calories nobody right now on on the store them in any way we want. To produce galleries and they come be fifty years from now in in a warehouse on this deal. Go by that's good. Humanity has be calm producing calories but even. So for us. Not. Nutrients. But non nutrients and the delivery of those nutrients. So the bodies our region we've done. So many of Brian, we phase I mean we could be talking obviously you know for hours. And hours and hours but the truth is that number one doesn't make sense that we have waste allow food waste have hungry people. More food than we need, and we waste forty percent of our food. So we have food for ten billion people. We want these days. I will argue that even more I I will say that if we could have a mechanism to test how many calories in eggs produce. Because, remember now, with the people that produce out of calories have fancy games and we have finally machines I'm wear. Barney. Day. So broadly we are we're Barney so much. Because we're putting in so many more calories, right? Up on it for a second in the days used by me going to school nobody drove me I will be healthy that will have to be walking like our voice school Auerbach's. As your children get me very shape This is no happening anymore I in some parts in other parts contrary people have nothing no buses to been. Eighty. They don't even have a school but but but then. They're hungry because they don't have any company so they should wear facing these these very different. Hungary eighty Hungary for. Hungary in Venezuela that Hungary numeric the recent are different in every sometimes spirit Politics. But then when you think about it, he's always politics United States of America right now. I'm for the last I would say every four years. Is Not being in the business of having a healthy relationship. I, I'm Guy I want have bigfoot Goblins, I will often An idle mind best but now. I realize a online investing in a company that these making their living out of the spends of not creating a healthier America, and this is a very pragmatic way. So what's going on right now is very simple when we have one of the richest, the richest country guy the most for country produces foot-drag nobody wait horn meat exports everybody I America fits America and help speed other parts of the wall you are afoot. We're brothers in Michigan back. There are subsidies we feed the farm bill within the US. The. That provides subsidies to big companies to produce corn and other grains cheaper than the real market establish. They are able to produce foods chipper than the real prize Bali of the market. Companies benefit from those hoops these on our or created the round last. sold as any company. And all of the sudden you have those with companies that they are able to produce very cheap borders. Very cheap solis. dispense of cities that the government gives. That them people eat it's okay because. We need to have affordable food to eat. But is kind his berry berry nonsense because we need to be finding ways to provide foot. Of Good Friday at good pricing of good quality to the people that needed it and make sure that those borders are. Nosotros, so cheap. They reduce calories in a way I cannot produce and that millions of America it's every day in every corner in every hub dog in every borger that they want to be celebrating that. But in the processes we are making America on healthier. So the American government in this case should be putting their power on the firm bill the rain more for more fruits, more vegetables, more beans, more grains. Americans and make sure that they don't supersede is the foods odar making America on healthy bursts was wise are making America healthy these way we best in Russian we invest in having a population that these really healthy instead of now that we have to be fixing that same population Wednesday, we reach fifty sixty, seventy years old and the government has to be their wives with our award pain to fix ourselves from the Cygnus we can we get out of Eating the wrong types of foods so the government should be in the business of investing solution when people are young with good for habits with good a sports habits with good quality of life in that sense on the stop making people sake the them we have to be paying the bill on the health growing, growing, growing, versus bringing the health goes down and investing the money we save from the health goes into the betterment of the lives of Americans Sydney. Seems like world central kitchen is a model for producing real whole food. for large amounts of people at scale and affordable way which seems really incredible and with rapid speed. How how do you accomplish that? Because if this is true, I mean thinking about school lunches. For example, I think about institutional food is garbage I mean I. Had Back Surgery and I was in the hospital and the breakfast was terrifying I mean I woke up from my after my surgery and I didn't really order the breakfast brought me a plate and it was French toast with maple. Syrup. High Fructose Corn Syrup. cheerios which basically starch and sugar a big muffin starch and sugar orange juice would you sugar and also I? Think I got a banana which was only real thing on the plate and coffee. Rich. Creamer, which is basically hydrogenated fats in in all kinds of caramel color in the Maple Maple Syrup Maple Syrup it was just garbage and it was all high sugar inflammatory toxic stuff that was an institution. 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On On on if you look at the photos that people, posts all over America, all over right now, we have people in Indonesia. we have only menace waylon Columbia. we have to. Be All Libra Rico islands. On all that resume, Eric, the quality of the meals yes. Is Astonishing this different type of destruction. On. The ships. COGAN could it be? I'm we have people. Give their best. I'm willing to give the best. On obviously. We have about the vegetables on I'm. I'm I'm frozen fish that we can get. But yeah. We can do better deletion on emergency. You might even what we can do in normal times. So the question. The question is why and I will give going back to politico will. I believe that the political willies? No they are because usually what happens is that those forty million people that they are. Under the hunger line. right now I think the number has increase or end sixteen, twenty, million more and as a real problem, they juice only are people that they are disenfranchised the boat. That they feel like nothing is GonNa work for them. So why bother? On because they, the mode editions don't act I think is almost mandatory that we tried to engage more everybody especially people neak. Nineteen hundred that will make re Republicans and Democrats ally come to the table. The ring is food solutions struck symbol we keep talking about desert's. I know how Americans don't believe that rallies people listening to me now they're saying or saying Margot full of Bologna. Okay. We may be for the Baloney. But the truth is that we cannot escape the we. have. Americans today. That don't have money to get done attack CEO Rober. they have to get public transportation eve only Dacian is available the glosses supermarket maybe three, four five. Miles away when I was young I would go walking for the breadth. Every day I will walk in from the front every day I will go for the fish everyday I will go for the meat w that my mom would will will will win by was a walk away. We have millions of Americans, they don't have the luxury off. To the place where they come by affordable food, those are food desserts that happened in America. When you have full besser Te, we need to understand that a wealthy family in Chevy Chase or Potomac Maryland. May. End Paying less. For Rice. And Milk. Than Poor, family, in, Anacostia. And that's the reality. Doubles everywhere run the walked. Rates Families Emperor brains will pay less for some problems that the Berry or family in the middle of the mountains of a fumble rat in the middle of Nowhere A. Sell these vessels makes foot tall are expensive for the people that actually should be getting cheaper. Ya, the system is already faulty egos that lawn. So why we on an? Awesome feather Monday, by the breast of I'm by the governor's I'm by the mayor's for desserts in America the next five years is do. We can make it happen. These is only one coordinator of many. Oh. How. Do you see that happening I? Mean it seems like A. Problem that has been talked about a lot. But no one really seems to be providing good solutions. Because everybody talks a lot. Really does on these business and the business to be successful, and you have to think like for profit no for no for charity your jarring remember rubber either my mentor, my friend. One of the big side hunger five. Fighters of hunger in America Berries Marias created these pitching Tommy Charity seems sees the redemption of the giver bursts who's Jari de should be the liberation of the receiver when we talk about doing something. We already redeem yourselves. If we have Woodson that ground aren't we the Law Committee. The know best. We really adapt to every situation because we do not create one answer to every. Neighborhood. Because he's different neighborhoods with different people, black people. Latinos Asians. why these different is different ways? Is it for an answer Alaska GonNa be the same answer and Florida, but nonetheless, it's spiritual. Did the same ending for desert's in the core neighborhoods of America? The ghosts of land is very affordable. Unusually the city the mayor owns land in those spaces Ibiza blind should be pulled every ex. Blocks of building some people. Where you tried to establish systems to make sure that you have regular farmers, markets of some farmers that come. That role that they got tell anyone else but they are they can sell it the same glaze that maybe the foot banks will be. you will have plays where certain things will be the native. But other things you will give the people that community to buy on their own, what they want to add the things that we may be giving them through the Farmville otherwise do let people use it snaps to buy those. Farmers. Immunity, farmers, markets, all of the time we have thousands of. Farmers Markets. America one visited? I'm already we're closer to make sure that one neighborhood the dime families are fed better families absence friendships Chinese have access to quality foods that they can afford that we can actually channel. They are when we have extra production of vegetables that the farm, the farm bill allows the government to buy that extra production of vegetables unchannelled them final them through those foot banks. Committee farmers, markets across America all of the southern, the community farmers market should be gone So problem should be the food that sorts honest problem community farmers markets are as one more solution badge. One thing should be happening in the next eight years if. President vice-president Biden wins because I've seen this administration's I. Make It happen because it doesn't show any interest whatsoever making discover. So I do believe we need to be thinking. But the both ideas are not crazy. Ideas are doable ideas that he's already some tests, but we need to go all the way in and make it happen private sector government local NGOs. Social. Social commitment from the local communities we make up together. It's true. You know but you grew up in Spain where like you said, there was a market and. Really down the road for hanging was a vegetable grocer and a meet Grocer, and you saw your family making food from real ingredients and you saw where it came from. The source of it and you're cooking at and tasting, and it was all real in country. We we really created generations of Americans that are so disconnected from the source that our food they don't know where it comes from. They don't know how grown they not involved in the production of it. They don't know how to cook it. All they knew how to do is get a package of. A microwave or get a fast food restaurant and that's really I think been a great decline in America sort of had our kitchens hijacked by the food industry and they a disintermediated from our own food and that act of cooking, which is so central to what everything you're doing is about seems to be something we have to bring back into American culture we have to get back in the kitchen. It's interesting with Kobe nineteen in the pandemic people are forced to eat at home. The restaurants are closed people are cooking at. It's it's of starting to shift people and I. I just WanNa as a chef. How do you think because started cooking revolution because you can bring all those things in those communities we can bring a farmer's markets but they don't to make. Kale. Or they don't know how to cook vegetable they'd ever seen a vegetable. What what what is the stepped? The breaks to the next level of of getting people really empowered to take back ownership of their food and their food system. Yeah I. I think that destroyed that we've lost Nolan America. In Spain and maybe the connection maybe we have I'm not so. I don't Romanticize so much about knowing you foot gun strong and I him. We have a good system many people they've never been too far I. Think people can be as commuted woman doesn't mean that we should not work to make sure that every children has been before the debris children understands how footsie stems work in America I. Think That's Very Gordon but again, we followed a true. Political will change us will happen with Berry. A romantic people going to conferences conference. Listening into the same people giving this MS speeches the sometimes I may be even every I I decided to do less and less even these things that I'm very easy to do and where everybody claps linked sales in the zoo after their they've been given us dean and they are happened Graham then everybody goes home. Next year the year after next decade the same problem continues and sometimes even Grove. We have two schools. In America. We have thousands of the schools. I bury always be better but the worried well integrated. Is. School system across America. Is School somebody poured them bar of the DNA of our communities of ours shows? Every school should be having a fully functioning each. Fully functioning kitchen with men and women working in this kitchen that they are proud of feeding the future of America. Than we are able to employ people that maybe are homeless weekdays on new. Through training new profession or bedrooms, a want to keep the giving back to their to their country on the scum them enjoy cooking and they are part of that solution and on. The what you see, I was invited the more and people working in Baltimore in the school system. There are Mason people amazing individuals they give the best. But in the last few years, many of the newest goals digging created and there are open almost without that kitchen. Only, with a Rome, the disturb reheat phase that come from the outside the friars of microwaves. Yeah. Do can do that because he's affordable each cheap but he's women the level quality starts going down and down and now. and. Then what happens what's the place in America when he's working? When something happens that very often ends becoming showed during place for people that their homes or their properties where damage. Schools, another side and you have the school that he's hosting on their GM thousand people. We know catch him to feed those people. when you think three hundred, sixty degrees. Undisclosed seasons become borrow from the emergency answer. Yeah. Moments of me and you'll have them there because at teaching serve not only to feed that showed there. But maybe Persia responders on other communities around nearby. Dan I know, for fact, another the sudden also when things are well, we have people that we employ where he will to create jobs where able to make sure that that school is connected with local for me. I network aware it will be bringing offered some vegetables. We are able to rain the farmer that GONNA be talking to the children's with awareness to the children of their surrounding hobby. Refunding cities that have been the developers into role areas are making a good living because they're feeding our children with money that actually is better this smartly spent by the federal government through the state through the city's another sign, you have an amazing emergency planning on the happens one day an amazing school kitchen school system that feeds children children are fed. That are smarter because they are readier, get everything they get in education they grow as healthy individuals means that the chances to be fighter vs might gaze like I am I are lesson all the seven, your investing again in the solution versus in the so we spoke with the food. Now is spoken speaking about this old system schoon systems they must be dot delivered by Federal Government, the states in this series, and they must be places that jess would provide the location. Borrowed that. needs to be good. INNING for. Education. Recently introduced. Congress something called the Feed Act to really address the problem and to activate emergency. Food solutions in times of crisis like covy nineteen and people who have food security when half WHO's shortages? And tell us a little bit about the feedback and other kinds of legislation around food nutrition really could make a big difference. Before answering is finishing with a this schools because I believe that is important to united with a good quality foot we will get children through the foot Wigley producing the kitchens in the schools. WE I. I helped create a with your Washington. University Afford Greg Long for high schoolers. I'm right because it was a wing to teaching history through. The we teaching science physics her foot. Itching here, a pop culture foot. Ditching, at the end. The Mason, Bauer of what we learn sometimes foot the program went very well and established that. We do that the school without walls US best. The one day we'll we're be bringing nationally by didn't land and. Farmers Market to Washington DC they created a program a call. Man I forgot front nine so often farm but these were we the farmers markets. Association. Washington. DC They farmers donate money to create these send Yael that allows to teach children how a garden works to children about fresh vegetables. I won't see some of flowering I would seat. Fascinating to see so I put curriculum is going to have to be also very important note taking away from anything is. The defeating makes children interested. makes. Children engage. Thinking is GonNa be quite frankly the future, and so I being buried brought to be shall be better any. from the outside because who is leading this amazing. They are doing an amazing job with that I'm very broad w able to borrow fed like Ali's waters that. On. She's been very successful in in regards Eddie Lewis yards. So he's things like that but we need to come with one planned. That is GONNA, help all America and one that's oldest the streets of the America doors on. And so they are able. They are able to go on. So on Western, they are the real question that I forgot the questions really is about the feed act, which was a way of mobile. Off. The country in the shafts times of crisis but also other kinds of solutions, realm legislation and food attrition that have to be done to make a difference that feedback dissemination because many many shops many being restaurant industry we've been. Spending highly at. In to Knocking on doors of the. Hill. Of Congress of the House of the Senate. asking. For the right solutions from our leaders. We had chefs begin to president trump. We had chefs going every single ad on congressman myself thing I spoke without. Overdoing. The number of more than fifty senators congressmen. Way, more than fifty than. why? Because we were asking for the right help? so He's being Wanda. One. which is to make sure that be worked for restaurants. me I. my restaurants they got bb soak. So I'm I'm very, very many. Were able to do it. On. Is the barrel production. Ceased ended has been created on. Always. Good. But execution is not so great on more is going to be needed. So we had the large ships working on that authorization we created independent restaurant when. I are see on on leaving doing an amazing job. We've done emission by on my other side. From debris early days I wrote a now open New York Times and another OPEC Washington Post both in descend direction that we are talking about the the health crisis, we're talking about the economic crisis especially, because president trump is the only thing he's been talking about. Not Understanding that the economic crisis would go away in the moment the health prices is beaten. But nobody was really talking about what those stewart creating, which was a humanitarian crisis I may I begun being buried obviously involving that one? On on with wasn't rookie Jim we. Chief, a one moment, three, hundred, fifty, thousand meals a day. I ain't right now day right now we are around quarter million. We are again emergency. We covert the black, the black spots, the areas that. The the dark spots of the system. That when the system shutdown so even feeding many hospitals. All the hospitals in New York. Thanks to Mayor Bloomberg a one moment I seventy deemed as we were doing three meals a day. Job At center, we had the big place in front of six thousand minutes a day this center park hospital. With Mancini. We were feeling there. we've been many others in DC and my daughter's will feed every day children's hospital inside and h well more play that all across. America. what nobody relies but. People. That bill hospitals they never thought the Demi. Amazing Right Doug we APPs there we put of thinking kitchens where the fire exits these way but. Like a husband though. When thinking about the Knicks? Why it is in some hospitals, I would say many. Areas that were shut down the Hudson. Where areas where they fit area where you had two people was. Yeah. I hope that from now on people think when they hospitals in case abandoned me Gump's. How buildings should be created so. I wouldn't be an issue. So what we had to be bringing in some places. I love for how we the Usually one central kitchen we cook. A one-week pages credit kitchen out of nothing. But. Destruction I'm we have millions of people in run without your ups and hundreds of thousands of restaurants shutdown Navy was simple. Why would put them up and running? WHY WE DON Partner with is because they don't do it for the money where frankly but they were able to pay mill. We would the restaurant working? The restaurants got hire some of the people. The restaurant is GONNA be buying Sunday local farmers that nobody they cannot sell to anybody on these weighed goose shown how Without being amazing but you re engage the common ground up process until we are okay to be open again as normal. So normal. So shady, you're using the restaurants to be emergency. I'm we did that we had. We have today twenty, four, hundred restaurants. In our network feeding across said, he tried to states and we get moving. By. Feeding her feeding me elderly or people can't come to their. not sure art. Homeless. At the. We. Have a system to feed the other Lee with over when they can leave their home and you'll have anybody we send one over home my home, the same traditional over foods. But in disguise by emergency over bar with US others rob on least an others in a Spain I had. Despite each postal. Service delivering foot home by home was beautiful to see. Hundreds of people deliberating one time to udderly that they had problems. We won't man, Lebron's with their immune system. I Mason system why I have to reinvent a delivery. When the delivery system is already been done in place. So these our central kitchen. Thanks. So while we were louise proof concept so I'd be able to go to Congress God Congressman Thompson. Off California. Congressman, McGovern Massachusetts. Introduce this bill supported. But Congressman Davies feeling noise on congressman or of Texas. Listen to me, Democrats and Republicans. Want. It by Congress, already now he's undescended. In the Senate we go senator come. Haaretz from California, Senator Tim. Scott of South Carolina Mall of the seven we have. A recall again on a Democrat or they're senators both sides are Yoni so the is that to make sure that the government is bill that will allow FEMA. Winds the emergencies declare to provide funds to the governor's on the city's because the mayor starting the frontlines to activate local restaurants the paid them to cover the needs in an emergency leg. The one we're living these US marshal. Russian. Jew them throw money the problem you'll keep the economy running. You'll keep America, working. Yuki. People funded families without being unemploy on the Hud Wego that because everybody the beginning I had some some people that were live. It's critical with me they say why I'm putting people a race cooking. I. Think People thought that I'm cooking because I have nothing on do. I'm very proud. I'm very happy for my daughter's and moving from I a ninety for ninety days I'm for you know for many people cannot afford me. I'm I'm for the for the I could do that. But y when his knee people were hungry, we were feeding people. In real in a real. So. We created when in February become following Kobe Yari one of my best rants ambassador. Hydro. was. The ambassador Mexico in China. Oh. On on January world for seizure. On. Keep me. Informed with what was going on on that basis especially in what I liked, how people were sitting in a Democrat this learning learning. We went through your Ben in February two feet princes A. A eighteen thousand miles a day to six thousand. Many of them Americans why ask because we've been feeding deeply aby cholera we've been feeding people mustn't be cholera on in our comes never why? Because we create the county protocols why I'm telling you all this is that the first thing we created Was a mascot. The mascot name is Muskie. M. A. S. A. Y. my ski. Mask red-hod with a big mask on a big hand. Maske was guiding all of us what to do. We created the health codes in how do we hide? Inside the restaurant. Behaving, picked out, do we hate him deliveries hunt? We have in for deliberates in how to maintain the teams producing the food the healthy. Some very proud that we've been very lucky, but they were hard. In feeding people having bury amas no cases. Yeah. All across why? Because we were cautious and spare worry that mass was mandatory that we had to produce more with less people than we had to give separation even inside the kitchen on in the restaurants and more important I created these circles that we've become putting the fifteenth of March on the floor, and now thousands of places in America has them to show people that they had to give seek speed distance I'm where the Muskie was telling you that you have to wash your hands that you had to wear your mask that you had to make sure that you keep. The distant from each other that you couldn't shake hands etcetera etcetera dies while I'm very proud of the work was drug teacher. If you want to gauge and adored, you'll find that there and you'll see they help protocols broadly they been the backbone of the success of central kitchen through these pandemic. We were ready. To adapt to this emergency adaptation meant be ahead of Kobe being fighting Kobe by giving everybody alert like you've been everybody cover like making sure that we protect each other. Even when we were working together just shows you what great leadership can do in solving problems and how and APPS. We've been a country to do this in your your example just so so powerful and I think there's so much more work to do not just with dealing with the food crisis in Kobe but really creating an equitable food system overall and Jen with some of these problems so that They will always be disastrous, but you know what was going on right now is a slow motion disaster in America around food with with incredible amounts of chronic disease and obesity and health disparities and the burden on the economy and the consequences of how we produced the food and grow the Food in our agricultural system in climate. It's all one big problem and I think that that you know you're you're so good at getting into. The practical solutions getting on the ground and figure out what to do and not waiting around philosophizing about it or talking about it but actually doing it and I think is this an example for all of us and I think it's really about just being connected to others asking and learning what they need in just solving one problem after the other and that's what I found when I was in. Haiti the hospital was shut down I was the first doctor on the ground with a crew. It was just a disaster and you just head start solving problems and fearing things out and creating an owner and creating getting supplies and giving this given that, and it's like you just yell us do it and I think most people are afraid of that and it's just it's just so powerful to see your example. I know your twitter profiles really beautiful. I WanNa sort of closed that ask you about and you say we are all citizens of the world was good for you must be good for all. If you are lost share a plate of food with a stranger, he will find who you are. So talk about what that's about and and the meaning of bring people together over food and why that so so important for all of us. I think the meaning I'll break bread Seem ordinal breaking bread in daybreak branch between two people. Maybe they don't get along maybe people don't know each other. I think humanity. These kinds from centuries and thousands of years that we created. The strives right. We. We all belong to try. And I'm on. So how? Saints we are children they. I send that you've been when nobody sitting a runway. Even when he's wrong, everybody gives it dries. On on these difficult to let other people from outside tribes to join your try. We need to fight that. Because I believe that life is starts at the end of your comfort zone. On really, your comfort zone. is ruined the challenge when you move away from the people you're comfortable. On we need to start seeing others that don't look like us that they speak like guys. Died they maybe they? They have other gods lay the ones we like. is as not people that our enemy but s people that they are there to enrich our lives to reach our bishop of the world's. For me I think that that they via that's rice happening Haiti that I like. Obviously I will go to finally restaurants because I would like to tweet about it to bring him to eighty remember the. The commentary about traveling to resume traveling footing eighty, but which was a national geographic BBS but me in that on that documentary. On that show again to people precisely to the fancy places I took them to the places where normal Haitians. Dime store. Haitians. Why Because as way. And then you'll realize that they are not. Strange People Ordinary people. Or people that I don't WanNa go there. We. I go there because I need to feel like I'm respecting them. They don't want our that when our respect showing up is respecting them but morton than allowing Jewish to be there to. A drinking you with respect giving you a smile a naturally making you feel comfortable because they know your place, you don't belong. Shouldn't we do the same? I'm we shouldn't be trying to make sure we put those walls down and we bring longer tables, green CDs together bringing communities together Dis Way for me obviously this is important I. Believe Foot is important sort that. Is barred the DNA of who we are for has many of the answers you can give you. Easter on science. Again give you own health foot is there on economic growth and unemployment unemployment on on. Greenhouse Gases Gasol unsealed to. Foot is there. Let's make sure that food is not a problem but the solution. That's whites you wasted going. It was so proud that. Vice President Biden, the Dow where he invited me to join or the Dire Dawa wars about foot first dying in the history of a presidential candidate. I didn't know that that's Quart Monde before the election. Data we have the whole food is a national security. So I am I am very happy that somebody like may be gone up president of the United States is giving Bordon's to foot in such a way. Totally I'M GONNA be there making sure that you pushing his teams to make sure that December important cornerstone on his possible Presidency Taught Tony why? Because at the end if we am we create a better. Food System where East Bar this solution Report Against Democrats will benefit. Identify. and. That's why food is so important rains all American together in a moment that America needs to be together more than ever almost right? Thanksgiving should be every single day. That's what we need to be aiming for. That's such a beautiful vision. Jose is incredible vision and you're absolutely right food connects to everything that matters to us as the problem but also the solution and it's actually why I wrote my book food fix which is really about solving those issues, connecting the dots and pushing our policy to actually create the change in. It's sort of launched something called the Food Campaign was the nonprofit to really educate and raise awareness and policymakers and drive policy change to deal with these issues because it's not just one thing is a multi-faceted problem but it requires thoughtfulness and sort of like you wrote about a foods art, it really brings all this together. Pretty Pretty Amazing. Well, we're in this amazing moment in history and I think it feels like the worst of times but I believe will come out of it and I think learn a lot and I think your vision is certainly a guiding one for all of us. So thank you so much for being on the Doctors Pharmacy Jose I love you an amazing man if people Wanna learn more about his work, I encourage you to go to check out the world central kitchen that W C K dot org you can learn more about what they're doing and get involved. You can donate. You can also learn more about what he's doing on his website Jose under. A eight J O S J O S E and e R S. dot com. He's just an incredible leader in the space of humanity and I think he will get the Nobel Peace Prize. I certainly will vote free. and. I just love to have you on the path because the thanks for sharing your wisdom with all of you loved this podcast please share with your friends and family on social media. Leave a comment here from Houston scribner every granted podcast, and we'll see you next time on the doctors. Pharmacy. Everybody's soccer hyman. Thanks for tuning into the doctor's pharmacy. I, hope you're loving this podcast. 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Hour 2: Reacting to the Riots Part II

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44:27 min | 4 months ago

Hour 2: Reacting to the Riots Part II

"Everybody knows what's going on in the world man and you can't you can't hide from the we see the two different Usa's that we live in a sad. It truly is owned but all in all we we came to the conclusion. Look man. we're gonna go. We know what it is. You can't afford us not fully. Nobody else by like i said this is in. Everybody sees it. Everybody knows it now. Like you can't say that you don't understand he'd for jimmy butler with stories on the events in dc. The chaotic scene at the capitol on one day on wednesday was a day. We've never seen before in our country's history. When a mob of trump's supporters stormed the capitol building interrupting the vote certified. Joe biden's victory. The riots led to four deaths. A woman who was shot inside the capitol and three others who died outside from medical emergencies there were fifty arrest and widespread destruction. Espn nfl analyst undefeated senior. Right in dc resident dominic foxworth joins us right now dominate. Thank you for being on the show. Let me get right to it You were practically in the middle of all of that because you were taping his show in dc at the time which is where you can you talk to us about your thoughts what you experienced and how you feel about everything right. Now that you've had an opportunity to reflect on everything. sure. I mean driving into the studio six. Am yesterday like i parked in a garage. And there were a bunch of guys standing around a truck with a trump flags and all that just talking and it was a knowledge. Seen driving through the streets cnn. Everybody out in the streets and everybody A particular group of people out in the streets and it was uncomfortable and then driving home. Afterwards you could see everything starting to escalate. But i can't say that. I was surprised that what happened yesterday happening. I don't think anybody who's been paying attention for the last several years but few hundred years probably is more accurate Should be surprised by what happened. And i think Obviously donald trump is a lot to blame on him in this situation. But i think frankly is indicative of i think draymond green kind of said it best like that's the country's been it's unfortunate that we have to be reminded of it every so often or a certain group of people feel the need to remind us of it every so often but it is what it is and it's frustrating and disappointing and i. I was thinking about it this morning as i was getting ready for. Get up and just thinking about how so. Many of us myself included we feel the need to condemn and judge. These people are capital and they deserve it. I'm obviously by no means defending them. But i'm reminded of a quote from mike leach of all people is that if you aren't You're either coaching it to happen. Or you're allowing it to happen. And i feel like that's true of everybody in our country is these things are not new. They've been festering. And we've been been either encouraging it. And the case of the president or allowing it in the case of all other people in power and yesterday on the show. Max and i had a bit of a discussion slash debate about the level of progress with as it pertains to racial equality in this country. And i kind of said the max that. I don't really believe that we've had very much. And that was before everything escalated yesterday and i feel like that just kind of proves my point drives the point home that all the things that we look at it. Think of his progress aren't actually progress. And so. I go dominique before i bring max to chime in here. I want you to eliminate for us when you talk about the absence of progress and you relate that to what transpired yesterday at the state capital. Explain to me how to to coincide emi just while he was explaining. Exactly what you're saying. Though i appreciate the clarifying questions. So we see those videos read books and we see movies about how things were in the sixties fifties or the forties and thirties. And we see these serious white faces spitting on people trying to go to school or plan bombs and places of worship throwing rocks and stones at at buses like these things attack and people on the edmund pettus bridge. And we see that in. We're like we've made progress. We're better than that. And then we see videos like we saw yesterday and the videos like we've been seeing in the past couple of years and they look almost exactly the same. The only progress is being made is we have hd cameras now and maybe we can pick up their faces like the things are the same. And i get disappointed. While talking about the election in georgia's it feels good and it feels like progress. Talking about the election of barack obama. It feels like progress but that suggests that the progress is needed on the side of black people like these achievements from black people are reflective of black people. Getting smarter better or more wildly. That's not what happened. That's not what's happening. And that's not what we need to happen for progress to happen. This country the progress that we're looking for is not with black people because by large black people are not in power. And i think talking about barack obama getting to the presidency. There is nothing more obvious. The lack of progress than looking at what it requires for a man of mixed race and african heritage and barack obama. What's is required for him to get into the presidency and remained there versus what is required of someone like donald trump to get to the presidency and obviously now not remain there. But they're trying to make him. They're trying to keep him in that position. So those jackson positions. Make me feel dispirited. Frankly about the idea of progress. And it's it's frustrating. Sometimes because the people who black people in particular white people who have power and half platforms. They talk about this progress in part because they've experienced it and i'm one of those people i am living a life that my parents and my grandparents obviously could never hope or imagine that they could leave. But you have to understand it. What's happened to me and what's happened to so many of us is exceptional. This is not a real goal for other people. I'm sorry stephen. I go ahead. Yeah we gotta take a commercial break. Max i'm gonna come right to you out of the commercial break but going into commercial Ask you this question just to sleep more or just listened for income back and react to once we give back from commercial. We heard white america telling folks we wanna listen. We want to hear what you have to say. Do you think they has now with no fees or minimums on checking and savings accounts banking with capital. One is like the easiest decision in the history of decisions kind of like choosing to listen to another episode of your favorite podcast and with our top rated app. You can deposit checks and transfer money anytime anywhere making capital one and even easier decision. That's banking reimagined. What's in your wallet. Terms apply capital one and a member. Fdic we want the best of both worlds. We want a hybrid a smarter hybrid cloud approach with ibm helps banks personalized experiences with watson a while helping keep data secure. The world is going hybrid with ibm. Visit ibkr dot com slash hybrid cloud. Welcome back to. I take dominic. Foxworth is still with us. We're sitting here talking about what transpired in the nation's capital yesterday afternoon and i went to commercial break after listening to dominique and what i'll eloquent words he had to say asking max kellerman this question in light of all the noise. We heard emanating from white america when social justice issues. We're really percolating in this country over the last several months when they were talking about. We want to hear you. We want to listen. Do you think they're hearing and listening. Now what progress do you think white. America has made in that forum. Max cullen yesterday dominique. And i were discussing to appear the the appearance of which these two quotes are at odds with each other both from dr martin luther king one the moral arc of history is long but it bends toward justice and the other is justice. Postponed is justice. Denied and dominik was certainly an injustice. Postponed is justice. Denied mood which obviously continues. Today i would say third quote from the reverend. Dr martin luther king stephen a. which is in the end. We won't remember the words of our enemies but the silence of our friends and we're not talking about the bad actors here. I'm talking about those. Who would have people have good intentions. Who have been passive and thus enabled this kind of thing happen. It's time for them to wake up. And i think increasingly the are waking up and this goes to the point dominique about the moral arc of history. The fact of the matter is psychologically. Stephen a. said earlier in the show the first hour to be very clear. He's holding someone accountable here and it's president. Donald trump who called out the date incited the mob and sent them in that direction right. What's the psychological repenting here really. It's a sore loser. It's someone who can't it's not just that they don't wanna lose. They refuse to accept the fact of the loss right. And what does that loss. Not not several million in the popular vote in the last election and a narrow victory it or a victory in the electoral college this time. He lost the electoral college and he lost by a massive number of votes. Seven million team loses by a point or two. that's one thing the two teams by seven million points. You should probably accept it. But he wouldn't. And what is the larger implication there. What does that more largely. Reflect the moral arc of history guys because the fact is i brought this up earlier in the show. Dominique the day of reckoning in this country was coming you knew there be revanchist tendencies. In the white power structure as the browning of america accelerated as we got to the point where the birth of white babies no longer than majority. It's merely the plurality right more than any other group but not more than fifty percent in the next thirty years or so thirty five years in fact white people will cease to be the majority. What will happen to the entrenched power structure at that point. It's their last gasp. We wanna hate hold onto this power and that's what we're really seeing. We're seeing a waning power. A power that is lost. That is losing. That doesn't mean. Evil is permanently defeated white supremacy slow because the lesson of human history is that it's never permanently defeated every generation must be vigilant and strive and so it will rear its head again. This is not the last time but the trend is even though it spikes at times. The moral arc of history bending toward justice got it. We only got a couple of minutes left. So i'm going to say what. I have to say real quick and then come to both of you to close this segment for me. You can always find enablers of bad apples. It's inescapable we know. There were some enablers along the way. There is no denying that. But i've made it a point to listen to conservative. Talk radio yesterday. I heard mark levin completely condemning the violence that took place in capitol hill talking about it was no excuse for those people should be arrested. Even heard sean hannity taken the same position last night as well. We get all of that. My biggest thing is this guys and this is where i point the finger at president trump. You have bad apples and then you have. Individuals debt clearly are about burning the house down figuratively. If not literally if they don't get everything that they want and the reason. I brought up earlier in the show. Dominique before you got here about vice president pence and senate majority leader mitch mcconnell at least until january twentieth and all this other stuff was because when you think about those two individuals. I can't think of anyone who has supported trump more than there yet. He was willing to pits under the bus. And in this case mitch mcconnell because he basically sabotaged the elections in georgia one could argue the bottom line. Is this when you look at it from that perspective. Even though we cannot deny that there have been enabled slash supporters. Is it reasonable to say with the president. It was hard to even predict this on a mess in europe here. I don't think it was hard to predict this in those guys. Mitch mcconnell and neither do i and my pence and mike pence came out yesterday and it seemed like they legitimised him like mitch. Mike pence was one of the first people will legitimize them so there is literally blood on their hands too so i am not in the spirit of being correct congratulatory and. I'm not suggesting that you are e- either stephen. A these are speaking out against this yesterday. Like you can't regret the result of your actions. But they still took the accents to that helped. Put this light this fuse and bring it to where it is today. But i wanted to say one more thing before. I handed back over to you about the more history and max was using a sports analogy and i appreciate it as a sport. Show but what's the scoreboard. When you look at the scoreboard and win is the game over. That's the hardest thing. Get the difficult thing when you tell when you want us to believe and again me. People like me and stephen a are in relatively privileged positions. But i guarantee you that stephen i also are connected to people who are not so. I'm supposed to go and tell them. But we're making progress. But we're headed in the right direction. The moral arc of history bins towards justice. I don't care that you can't eat. I don't care that you don't got jobs. I don't care if your whole community got kobe. I don't care about nothing. The moral arc of history bends towards justice. Max very clear toward be very low. Hold on let me go ahead very clear. Quick go ahead. Justice postponed is justice denied. I'm with you. One hundred percent on that and righteous indignation and rage is an appropriate feeling to have right now of course appreciate calmly and the out white people who are who are in power. The white people in government the white people neighborhood the white people who watch all this and see in turn their nose up at it. You should be righteously indignant to you. Should not accept that this country representative subject on guys got. Everybody can be calm because we finished with this discussion. Dominique i know. You gotta go appreciate you look forward to seeing you tomorrow and the days to come match. You'll be hit next because we've got political commentator lead political commentator agile iraq coming on next. We want the best of both worlds. We want a hybrid a smarter hybrid cloud approach with. Ibm helps retailers. Manage supply chains with watson. 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There are two conflicting thoughts or at least two things that i'm balancing Steven a. and that is this I worked on the hill I grew up as a young professional on capitol hill. It was my first job Right ahead of a one job out of law school kind of lobbying for see us and then right after that when the democrats gain control of the house i was right there my first boss on capitol hill was benny thompson on the homeland security committee and that is where i worked before that interning for maxine waters. The hill has been my professional life. And so i'm watching that yesterday. Thinking about all of the death threats that ilhan omar who was a dear sister to me Aoc congresswoman maxine waters has received congressman thompson who steel chairs the homeland security committee. Along with all of the other members who are worked for at the congressional black caucus folks who. I helped staff up their offices. You know figuring out what they were gonna do helping them to raise money when i could doing events for them in their districts even over the summer and so these aren't people who i just worked with and for their family so watching this knowing that from every single side of the capitol. These domestic terrorists were allowed in that building because they believed it was. There's without regard for human life the staff or not like my brothers and sisters. That was horrible to watch and in that moment you feel the anguish the concern anxiety that every parent feels every time. The child leaves in may have an interaction with police officer. And you see the difference between when someone believes. The police works for you and what someone else believes from all of their past experience that the police work against them perhaps even shooting to kill them when they protect and serve everyone else and so to that end. You know you have a quote from james baldwin where he says to be a negro in this country and to be relatively conscience conscious to be in a range almost all the time and we've been in that rage not just for four years but for four hundred and two years knowing how much we worked to establish what this country would become and seeing where it is which is not far. Enough is more than frustrating. Understanding the justice does not always serves us understanding that the people who were up there who were able to run roughshod all over the capital may not even face consequences to the point where they were putting up videos bragging about what they've done to the point where they were able to take selfies with police. Officers you know to the point where there's still probably in their hotels right now. And they weren't just spreading ideas of domestic terrorism terrorizing police officers their staff the everybody who works on capitol hill to ensure that they are doing the people's work they also weren't masked up so they're also spreading corona virus when we're at a new peak with a new strain of the virus so it's maddening. It's still scary. All i can tell you is This morning i'm really sitting in gratitude. Because everybody was safe that i know i do feel horrible for the people who lost their lives. But everyone who i know is okay. I just don't know how long oh carry this. Toronto max go ahead. Yup stephen a. Brought up in the last segment. Conservative pundits who have condemned the insurrectionists but in fact you brought up mark levin and sean hannity. They did a great deal to foment outrage about a supposedly fraudulent election which was actually as as trump got routed in the courts on the up and up but even joe scarborough who was a republican congressman before he was a tv personality said if they were black people they would have been shot in the face. That's how we put it. And i think everyone understands this. There was an unredacted. Fbi report at the end toward the end of last year. That talked about the threat. And the the actual instances of white supremacists infiltrating law enforcement is your feeling that something like the failure of law enforcement yesterday. Compared to what it would have been hard to prove a counterfactual but had the been black and storming the capital. Do you think that is is an issue of institutional racism or is it an issue of the fact that after all the president called the january six and then sent them over there and still has control of some aspects of law enforcement in the area. Do you feel that changes with the new administration or is that entrenched especially a dynamic question. I think it's both right. I think that this country was built on systemic racism and oppression in what you saw on capitol hill yesterday where people who know how they got their power how they've stayed in power and fearing what it will look like if they were to lose that power because people know about karma people know about the laws of sowing reaping and they are worried about what it will look like if people gave back to them. What we've received over the last several hundred years in this country. So i think you have that and you have systemic failures. My understanding from yesterday is that capitol hill. Police made a calculated decision in the moment once they knew. I have no idea why there wasn't preparation for. This is something that should have been prepared for since november but they made a calculated decision to go in the building to ensure that members and staff were protected instead of protecting the outside of the building which allowed more people to come in. however it doesn't help when officers are also moving gates to ensure that people can get into the capital. It doesn't help when people are busting windows. There's not a response right so there's all of that. I also don't think that these failures that the the low staff count would have been an issue if they were black lives matter. Protesters saw over the summer rubber bullets of all of the equipment that were transferred to local governments from the pentagon to take on protesters looking like war. I saw pictures of capitol hill police officers yesterday. Standing on the steps in a human barricade with their hands in their pockets right. I saw a black officer being chased through the capitol trump running from the protesters trying to ensure him probably knowing as a black man as an officer even if he shoots them he will be held responsible knowing. These protesters will not for wherever they ended up doing or could have done to him. So there are a number of factors. It's not a cut and dry black and white no pun intended situation. It really is all of the many layers of racism. The things that are personal implicit bias in explicit by season our hearts as well as the systemic issues that exist in the country. Max i will address your points about what you said about some of the conservatives after this interview is over but angela wanted to get back to you. In this regard we saw the players take the positions that they talk. I want to know how did that resonate with you. These professional athletes speaking up. Basically letting everybody know. We're not going anywhere. We're going to continue to give voices to the voice list and we're going to continue to highlight an illuminated these so we as a society can address the. How successful do you believe they had been. And they're going to be in their quest to do what they're doing as we move forward from this well and i think to that point the most important thing that the athletes can do is remember that this is not just about a moment. It's not about doing what is popular at the time. It's not about what you know making sure that you sound smart and articulate about these issues. It's also making sure you stay engaged so whether we're talking about what happened over the summer or we're talking about the ways in which so many athletes engaged in the election whether we think about what the atlanta did to solidify kelly leffler fate all of those things matter yesterday. Speaking out about the violence the insurrection the domestic terrorism on capitol hill and knowing the distinctions that exist in justice serves of black america versus white america. Knowing that we cannot afford to say this is not who we are. That is denying exactly what this country is. It's not what it should be but it is exactly what it's always been so long as they continue to give voice to that using their platforms. That effectively. I think that's exactly what we need. We all need to be saying the same thing from church and it doesn't just to be black. Athletes there needs to be allies. Were in this max year point knowing if you know full well that the outcome would have been different. Had the protesters look different that signifies to you that it's time to make a different type of change. You can't just look at this anymore and say that's a shame i've got something i gotta do on this. And here's how i'm going to respond. I'm not just going to speak or tweet or post a picture or hold my fist up or wearing this particular shirt. I'm gonna go out and figure out what i can do to actually solve this for my perch. So much of this will have to be regulated. Go ahead stacey abrams. Who was was key to getting. Lack man elected to the senate out of georgia. Right said recently that that you know. She traced the history of a family on social media. And she said. I'm the great great granddaughter of slaves greek granddaughter sharecroppers etcetera up to my parents worked at a place where my grandparents worked in a place where my parents goes and now he or she is and talked about the importance of her by example and also indeed creating space for others to to imagine themselves and be able to to see that. There is the possibility of getting there. It seems to me that athletes largely or doing that. Yes but in addition to doing that or actually organized or actually you brought up the atlanta store. They were t shirts save. Vote warnick right like they so it seems to me that athletes. Today we are sports network doing a sports sports show after all are doing things to create that space. Is that your feeling as well. Yeah i answer that question before you answer that question. I just wanted to say say this. I have to applaud stacey. Abrams star that grassroots movement. In georgia how. What about black votes matter. It what they put together. Black brilliants on display won that election for both of those senators floors angela. I absolutely agree. Black voters matter which is co founded violence hash brown and cliff killed it and they mobilized local groups on the ground in georgia. They're packs. We talked about before. Stephen collective pack and black pack. There's a church pack like all of these organizations work together in spite of cove it in spite of over the holidays in spite of people saying. There's no way you're going to get the same level of turnout after this historic election. And they did and stacey has been organizing in georgia program decade thinks. She popped for the gubernatorial race. None no she's been here and she's been doing the work in to the point. Athletes have been doing the same thing knowing some of my friends who are athletes colin. Say what can i do. How can i get involved. Entertainers doing the same thing. Trying to ensure that they're again using their voices their platforms and getting people is turn out. There was a huge event that when we vote held right before the election concert in a bunch of people came on. Virtually for that. You know this is a really tough time with covid rates biking all over the place and people did not let them stop. Let it stop them. And i would also say diagnose the voters if it wasn't for them there wouldn't have been this historic change. So yes john asaf in raphael warnock have a latte to oca rooms but they got a lot of the voters the athletes entertainers everybody who turned out in spite of everything. We're facing right now and all of us who care about political commentary have a lot to a lot of debt to pay the you. We owe you of your time. Your sincerity your substantive commentary. We appreciate you so much. Angela thank you so much for being on the show. We really appreciate it. Thank you thank you. Thank you got a lot more to get into. Max we're gonna have damien. Woody here any second. I think he's ready to go. We saw nba players locking arms last night taking a knee. Obviously giving voice to this particular issue which is near the heart because it was reminiscent of what transpired than an odd way yesterday because when they saw white individuals storming the state capital inside the nation's capital and folks not being harmed than you juxtaposed that to black lives matters and others marching anywhere. We all know that the results were different than we all know that the results would have been different yesterday if there were a bunch of black people that had stormed the nation's capital and endangered the laws of elected officials. We have damien. Woody here right now. The only thing that i want to say. Before i get to damien woody was this max talked about people form it. You mentioned mark levin. Sean hannity other conservative host. Whatever here's my position on that. I don't look at things as simplistic is. That are not accusing him. Not accusing you of doing that. Max what i'm saying. Is this people. Having a hard core belief. In philosophical philosophical beliefs politics policy etc does not mean that you are fomenting and stirring up stuff like that yesterday when you compare that to what transpired with the president and his rally. I heard mark levin literally vehemently speaking against violence of any kind. And he's been doing it for years. Are sean hannity do the same. I heard numerous conservative. Doing the same. I don't always agree. I'm not a conservative. But i am going to be fair because if we're going to say that about them this folks on the left who stirred up to it if we're going to accuse one we need to other or don't accuse anybody nobody. I think that both sides is dangerous and has been dangerous over the last four years in fact when i know you do was crying and being a sore loser about losing as he did in the iowa caucus with ted cruz and say oh it's fraud and we have to redo it or we shouldn't count it and he did it again. When he's marks january six and then sends the mob in that direction right leading up to that folks who are susceptible to those kinds of lies and low quality information. Those folks look to people like the some of the considering but right. Dan's conservative commentators. That you mentioned wait a minute. And if what they here is there was election fraud when in fact there wasn't when that things aren't legitimate when in fact they are they take those cues and their more susceptible to the low quality. Information i just want to quickly. And i know damian. We're gonna get to you right now. A lot of it. Stephen as seems to me to be about keeping black people in their place starting the tea party reaction to obama agreement kamla highly agree with the house. A woman of color. But i just want. I want i wanna finish. This agree with that. But i don't attach. I saw yesterday too much. That's going on in this country as a black because it is a task to a lotta attached to a party. There are good to me who lives patriotic american. No and i wouldn't accuse mitt romney. Thank you mitt romney but but it is largely attached to one. We already right now and that goes back the southern strategy. If i want wanna get to start out real quick. I want to get the start. What aren't you of one of one of them. One of the images that. I saw that i saw that bothered me. Was the black cleaning crew coming up in cleaning up the white the mess in the state capitol building that the white people made and then left and then today seeing the images for some of those same white people hanging out in the hotel lobby over drinks talking about presumably what they had just done maskless by the way a right. I'm all right. Let's go to david damon your thoughts about what you saw yesterday. Because even though they were basketball players. You're football player. You are football player two time. Superbowl champion is where your professional athlete. Highly intelligent know what's going on in this world. What did you make of what you saw. Yesterday what listen stephen max. I was Like everyone else highly disgusted at the. You know the visuals that you there. There are saw on television. I was watching those things happening of louis unfolding with my kids and everyone in the house and you know for me. I'm sitting watching lawmakers and pundits at the pundit come on tv and everyone echoing the same point that this is not the america that i know this is not the america i know and that is false. That is ally now only. Can we go back to the visuals from twenty twenty in the black lives matter movement. What we clearly saw the touch and the force. That law enforcement came at those protesters but all we have to do was go back and look at the history of our country. Because i've always said if you ignore don't acknowledge it. We're bound to repeat it. Let me give you a couple examples. Eighteen seventy four election ride in the deep south down in alabama vicksburg mississippi louisiana literally committee or coup. D'etat overthrowing duly elected governments all because of perceived grievances that things are changing that there was election fraud. Eighteen ninety eight warrington north carolina massacre again elected government being overthrown by a for perceived grievances as to how they want their government to be ran. Okay so these things keep happening. They happen all throughout the history of our country. And what frustrates me is to see. People go on tv or talk about. This is not america. Eight is we refuse to acknowledge what what has been going on and our country for years and until we as a people acknowledged the issues that we have the issues that we have. We cannot advance our democracy. Because let me tell you something. You have to fight for democracy. It doesn't just happen. We saw that down in georgia. We saw the groundwork that people did down in georgia to get people to turn out and vote. That's democracy what we saw in washington dc yesterday at the capitol building that was an anarchist complete anarchy. And i don't want to hear both only hear. Both sides is them. Because that's the first thing people want to throw out will what about black lives matter I'm not condoning everything that happened. Then but the biggest that we saw yesterday is that there is a large swath of people in this country. That refuse refute to accept the demographics. The things that are going on in our country and let me tell you something is not going to stop. It is not going to stop unless people come to grips is not going to stop until bad actors out here in flaming these people. We have to continue bringing truth to power. We can't let these people off the hook. Well let me feeding nonce me try. Let me tell you is. Let me chime in here. I'm listening let me be very clear. 'cause i appreciate it. Appreciate him. Hosted show obviously little different animal. So i'm trying to direct conversation while at the same time host the show but let me address a couple of points when i mentioned both sides. I'm talking policy. I'm talking the political shenanigans that take place. That's it in other words when you see people complaining In two thousand sixteen there were people on the left complaining about rigged elections. What i'm saying to you. Forget all of that for a second. I'm pointing that out for politically. When i hide like trump. I'm saying that is a different beast to new york daily news max mentioned mussalini and hitler when it came to trump yesterday. That's what they say. I didn't say that you're not saying that. That's what they said. things have gotten. There are people throughout history that come along that in a very very bad way. Transcend such an aberration from normalcy that. It should be incredibly alarming to all of us year. You have people foam it yet. You have people list to get the people side in the naval. All of that stuff is true. But it's entirely plausible people damian. We shot by what we saw. Not at all. We're appalled by but it certainly. We don't want people killed or anything like that. But it is flagrantly obvious. What the double standard is. It is flagrantly obvious that there are things like white privilege that are still incredibly prevalent in our society. Because when you have a bunch of white folks march in the nation's ca to the nation's capital busting into the state capital now endangering the lives of elected officials. Nancy pelosi is third in line. Mike pence the vice president second line. I mean my god. They were entr uncle mitch. Mcconnell the senate majority leader in trouble when you have something like that and you know it comes from one group and they still walk out. Essentially we understand that they had to protect the elected officials. I so that's how parameters were breach. Perimeters were breached at people in danger but ultimately all i'm trying to say is that bobby half of the athletes in the sport's biggest black people everywhere. What we're saying is if it were us. There would have been significantly more blood in the streets. We would have been slaughtered and as a professional at horse or a commentator or black people period. it's riveting to embrace that reality and you don't predict it something like that would happen before day in the year. Two thousand eight hundred steven quickly. Because i know damian has a lot of things to say we've been talking for almost two hours. I would say the drift sides politically and you don't want to condemn every member of a political party. I brought up mitt romney. I have over the last four years as an example as an american patriot. You in a certain political party but it is impossible to two separate. What's going on now from a political party and in fact when you want both sides it. I'm not saying you do but if one does if you even two thousand sixteen there were people on the left steven one hundred twenty seven representatives senators senator and congress. People a hundred. Twenty seven voted to not certify the results of the election. One hundred twenty seven hundred. Republicans voted to not certify based on nothing but fantasy and lies about fraud that did not exist fomented by the president and his enablers in his party and in the media. Okay go ahead and let me say this. This style of politics that we're in right now is disgusting because what's happening right now is there. Are people out here. It is profitable to keep people divided. Let me say that again. It is profitable to keep people divided. And what you see going on out here is that people are playing on people's emotions and they are making a profit of it. They are literally throwing gasoline. On the flames. There will be no. There will be no consequences for their actions. That's why you might see us go into that. Yes i have to start. I have sounded this i. There's a good reason why have to stop. Y'all and max wiki revisit this tomorrow today we have to go. Today is the last day far producer. Jeff anderson so. I have to put us on pause. We gotta get ready to go. But i wanted to take a moment to say. He's been an incredible producer for us on this show. He's always been there for us. You know we love them. We're gonna miss him. And i just wanted to say goodbye. But we'll keep in touch and we know they're bigger things are for you in the future. Jeff anderson and max i just wanted to give damian a quick word before we got outta here about jeff thanks. Thank you for everything. Jeff and we are going to miss you. And i'll say damian real quick you you brought up a profound point about a profit motive that these things are layered. If you keep people ignorant they're easily they're easy to manipulate and there's a huge overlap between the ignorant and racist and that is also it addition to actually kind of supporting that some people actually believing which despicable there is. Also profit motive. That is absolutely true. Dominic got fifteen sec. And i'm sorry damien damian dame. Yes listen there consequences. We saw the real life consequences of that playing out yesterday in washington. Dc and. that's that's a shame we gotta get on out here. Daime appreciate what you had to say. Max appreciated what you had to say. Jeff anderson our producer. We appreciate all that you've done on this show. Thank you so much. The best to you in the future for matt's debut woody stephen signing off until tomorrow.

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Pelosi to Trump: delay State of the Union or deliver in writing; WH adviser: shutdown's economic damage "worse" than predicted; 4 Americans killed in Syria suicide attack; Sen. Gillibrand joins already-crowded Democratic field

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Pelosi to Trump: delay State of the Union or deliver in writing; WH adviser: shutdown's economic damage "worse" than predicted; 4 Americans killed in Syria suicide attack; Sen. Gillibrand joins already-crowded Democratic field

"Tired of spending hundreds of dollars prescription glasses. Xeni offers thousands of affordable eyewear styles starting at just six ninety five visits any today at Zanny dot com slash CNN. The state of our union is we don't even know if we're going to have a stated union, the scarred threatening native our unions, a stalemate house speaker Nancy Pelosi, telling President Trump to take his speech somewhere else is the damage inflicted by this long government shutdown gets even more severe hours before the White House repeats that ISIS crumbled, a massive suicide attack in Syria. Four Americans killed including to servicemembers in a marketplace explosion in ISIS is claiming responsibility was women already making history in the two thousand twenty race Senator Kirsten gillibrand making three already declared candidates more are coming in any of them be drunk. Welcome to the lead on dick, Tampa, we begin with our politics. Lead speaker Nancy Pelosi, sending a clear message to President Trump. This is my house Pelosi telling the president to postpone the state of the union address currently set for January twenty ninth or deliver it in writing as presidents of your wants did the speaker citing security concerns due to the government shutdown the annual address traditionally given following an invitation from the speaker of the house, which she wants extended Pelosi insisted today that she was not disinvited the president. But that message seems to have alluded other members of the House Democratic leadership such as majority leader, Steny Hoyer, the state of the union is off the state of the union is off while you're staff tried to walk that back, but Heuer's not alone democratic caucus, chairman Hakim Jeffries tweeted, President Trump, quote will not be permitted to deliver his state of the union address until government is reopened. Welcome to life in the new democratic majority. Get used to it or on day twenty. Six of the parcel federal government shutdown. Nearly one million Americans not getting a paycheck with the ripple effects felt throughout the nation. Reminder. This is economic pain that the federal government of the United States is willingly currently inflicting upon its own citizens. The Republican controlled Senate had passed a government spending Bill. The president said he wasn't going to sign it demanded funding for his border wall. CNN's Kaitlan Collins starts off our coverage from the White House. The state of the union to be determined. After house speaker Nancy Pelosi suggested President Trump postponed his scheduled address until the government reopens or deliver it in writing this is in hundreds of people working on the logistics and the security of it. Most of those people are in the firm. Victims of the shutdown Pelosi citing security concerns in her letter to the president outing. He still welcome to make the address just not on Capitol Hill, you can make it from the Oval Office. The department of homeland security secretary pushing back on Pelosi's claims tweeting that the department and secret service are fully prepared to support insecure. The state of the union cancelling the state of the union means Trump won't be able to make his case for the border wall. During the primetime television address as aides were planning on if the shutdown was still going, but Pelosi's letter, which she said was just a suggestion creating confusion on Capitol Hill to you said. Shutdown. We're not going to be doing business as usual and the union is off the state of the union is off despite CNN reading the letter to majority leader Steny Hoyer, the congressman's aids now saying he misspoke on day twenty six of the record breaking shutdown Trump lunching with a group of bipartisan house members named the problem solvers caucus, though officials weren't expecting a breakthrough and the White House only issued this statement after saying we look forward to more conversations like this as the shutdown starts to take a toll on the country. Even Republican lawmakers are getting frustrated I am sympathetic to strengthening our security at the border. But shutting down government is not the way to achieve that goal that frustration causing senators to circulate a letter on Capitol Hill today calling on Trump to reopen the government for three weeks and then debate. Funding the border wall. But that proposal doesn't look promising and sources tell C N N White House officials were privately urging lawmakers not to sign it. Do you know what the White House strategy is to end the government shutdown? No, I don't think there is a strategy by either President Trump or MRs Pasi now Jake Nancy Pelosi had invited President Trump to speak on January twenty nine th but she had an introduced the legislation to make it official for the time in the date something that has to pass both the house and the Senate now not placing doesn't introduce that resolution. There will be no presidential address to congress has been several hours since Nancy Pelosi publicly released that letter this morning, and the White House has still had no response Jake. All right. Jalen Collins at the White House. Thanks so much. Let's discuss this. First of all, I don't even know where we are on whether or not there's actually an invitation to the state of the union because all the mixed messages. But let's assume the DNC Pelosi is actually saying you're not gonna have state of the union and toll the government's reopened. This is depriving the president of a big national platform, which we know he likes. Yeah. First of all we are edging dangerously close to my having to confront a longtime promise that I would probably vote for anyone who submitted the state of the union and writing instead of doing this. So for me personally, this is an issue. But no, I think it's problematic for him. Because obviously he wants that platform. I think there's some options for him that would be unconventional as this is unconventional. We're having this fight unconventional for this long that he could perhaps go to the Senate or he could do it from the Oval Office. I think he will likely end up doing it on the date because he gets national TV coverage. And that's what he wants will listen to not Pelosi. She had an alternative suggestion for the president. This is a housekeeping matter in the congress of the United States, so that we can under the responsibility of invitation extended to the president you could make it from the Oval Office. You can make it from the Oval Office. He would cost less than it would certainly not extend stretch so many federal agencies. I think the important thing that we're losing here because it's like does it more drama. I think the practical aspects of what she submitted to him which was a recommendation. It was not a reneging of an invitation was a recommendation that entail. Government is fully open and agencies are fully funded perhaps we should post. Jim suggests and I think that what is important here is the secret service was designated as a part of standing up the homeland security the department of homeland security as the agency responsible for national special security events secretary Nielsen decided that the state of the union is one of these events. They are the lead agency in charge. They are not operating fully just like most of many other government agencies are not in have been for twenty six days. But Neilson Neilson says a secretary knows that they can do it that they're not being paid a lot of resources though. Well, they're working without pay is what she says. I mean, I'm not I'm not supporting it should all be paid everybody who works with coverage be paid. But but that said, I mean, she says they can do it. Well, listen to speaker is basically saying not in my house, not on my watch as long as the government shutdown. You have other leaders within her caucus saying something totally different than what she saying is basically making it clear, Mr President. You are not welcome. Them in this house until the shutdown is over. She is right speaker Pelosi is right. That is her house, and she is speaker of the house. However, it is our constitution under which this president is required to update members of congress and America on the state of the union, and it doesn't necessarily have to be in this particular forum. But that's traditionally how this has gone. I I completely understand. What speaker Pelosi was trying to do, however security isn't important issue. However, she may want should've called secret service before and even raised. Hey is this a problem because based on what I'm hearing from folks here in Washington, she didn't reach out. She didn't say, hey is this a concern? She went ahead and. Option, but they're going to do their job. That's what they do. I think so I worked for the homeland security committee on the hill. The chairman of the homeland security committee Bennie Thompson who has responsibility for overseeing the secret service as well as the full department homeland security is saying that he fully supports this recommendation of Pelosi. So whether Pelosi herself checked or not I can guarantee you the congressman Thompson is talking to the agents, take it a little broader right now in a way, America three. Are we not is this not what Donald Trump wants? We're all sitting around this table talking about Nancy Pelosi versus Donald Trump, whether or not there's funding whether or not the secret service can do this, blah, blah, blah, as opposed to real hundreds of thousands of not millions of Americans were legitimately suffering coast guard personnel, FBI agents, etc. Because of the Republicans passed a Bill for defend the government and President Trump says, no, I'm not going to sign it because it doesn't have border wall funded. Yes, does I do. I think more drama generally works to his advantage. Yes. I think he planned it that way. I don't think he had a strategy for that. And I do have I have a lot of confidence that the secret service can pull off a giant event even in the event of shutdown. So that I'm not as worried about even though I do not always have the greatest faith in all government agencies. But I do think that they can handle that job even in the event. But it's what you said it's shutdown period. I mean, I if I were to speaker, I wouldn't have said is about security. It's about the almost million people who don't have a let's just be crystal clear about what this is about. This is about the president abdicating his responsibility to take the deal that will put people back the work. So you have people their family suffering the Konami suffering. Everybody is suffering because the president continues to have a big temper tantrum over a wall. So let's just play. It's about the people. I think clearly we can all agree. Everyone will agree. No one wins in a shutdown. The people that are out of work, the people that rely on their work and many people here in government that need the services of those who are out of work and the reality is Republican. Democrats here in Washington need to agree on two things. This is not about Trump's big beautiful wall that Mexico's not going to pay for and this is about border security and to the degree. They can agree that is the issue. That's what they need to do and compromise is not caving. They're so worried about appearing they're caving when they're avoiding the real need. Here is to compromise doubt that the U four could negotiate an opening of the it's not where we are everyone. Stick around the shutdown is terrible right now for nearly one million Americans and millions more who depend on this one million Americans to be paid. But we could be on the verge of it's only getting much much worse for all of us. Also, a suicide blast killing four Americans, including to servicemembers in Syria, and even a very close ally. In Gulf buddy of the president today. Saying Trump's sudden announcement that he was gonna withdraw US troops may have emboldened ISIS to attack. Now, stay with us. 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President Trump said he would be proud to own is worse than initially expected charities across the country are now helping federal employees with groceries and food here in DC today furloughed workers and contractors lined up for a free meal from humanitarian and chef Jose. Andrea. Says the department of agriculture revealed that may not have funding for food stamps. If the shutdown continues past February the Trump administration, meanwhile in an attempt to blunt, the impact of this all on the public is starting to call employees back into work without pay making it impossible for workers who have taken up second jobs to pay the bills, again, this is economic pain inflicted on American citizens by the American government as ns Tom foreman reports as bad as things look now, they're about to get a whole lot worse. The money is missing for training. Some firefighters for upgrade, sir. Hurricane prediction models for inspecting all foods. In for hundreds of thousands of federal workers such as Lynn Stratton in Utah who sees an economic cliff coming I have enough for one more mortgage payment, and I gotta go to carmax tomorrow on. So my car, she's not alone. Analysts say the slow economic erosion of the shutdown could collapse into a fast moving landslide of problems. If the C stalemate continues, we need voter security. We have to have it at national parks winter preparations for the busy summer season or on hold no thinning of brush to prevent catastrophic wildfires no stopping of damage by tourists still using the land. This will have a ripple effect through the operations for at least a year and beyond think those security lines look bad at airports now. Fears are mounting that many more essential federal workers could soon start seeking other employment especially since a Federal Reserve survey found in two thousand seventeen forty percent of. American adults did not have enough to cover even a four hundred dollar emergency credit as we have medical bills. We have origins. Mortgages. Things that we need to take care of plenty of services have already been entirely or partially shut down investigations of fatal transportation accidents road and bridge projects. Mass transit maintenance pollution inspections agriculture reports and the whole Smithsonian including the national zoo's panda Cam. Paying for daycare. And all those who just don't know. What's going to happen? You expected to run out of money soon. Federal court offices rent assistance for thousands of low income families food assistance for seven million low income pregnant women new mothers and young children. And while the food stamps program is okay now next month. It may not be so much seems on the brink of rampant collapse, and it's such a distraction for the workers still on the job the head of the federal law enforcement. Officers associations at a letter to the president and congress to saying I implore you to find a solution before an unnecessary tragedy. Occurs. This is not fearmongering or anything like that economic analysts say the point is this will not continue to be a slow burn many federal agencies or patching things together with whatever funds they can find. So our contractors who rely on government business, but as they run out of options, the impact will increase rapidly produce. Far reaching effects, which may be very hard and very expensive to reverse Jake. All right. Tom foreman. Thank you so much. The latest workers forced to work without pay Forty-six thousand IRS workers. This move means Americans will get their tax returns on time. But it does seem with the the Trump administration calling back and all of a sudden people are now essential employee's. And then they're no longer furloughed not working without pay. Now, they're working without pay. It does seem like they are trying to play with the categorization. So as the likes of us people who are not for a load or not federal employees are not hurt by this. Well, I think that that can only go for so long even just going through the airport. You see the impacts of this there TSA workers, even if they're president saying all of them. But even if they're present, they're not completely active. You can see despite it's on their faces like this is a very very tough shutdown, especially again, we're twenty six days in for those who are not doing that. I think the other part of this is. People are not calculating how this has disastrous impacts on the economic economy overall when you consider the number of people who are contractors for the federal government, there's well over ten thousand companies, and that's going to be costing the Konami overall more than two hundred million dollars a week. They're not going to get by get back com. Fill that was signed. It's four federal workers not for federal contract on this. I wonder if at this point at one point of the president just put it as charitably as possible, it doesn't have the largest compassion, gene inside him. But when the economy when the economic numbers start to to to really show slow slowing down if not worse will then he'd be prompted. I I think the possibility of economic consequences are the most likely to be a pressure point on him of anything. But that being said when it comes to something like tariffs. He's been invited that this could go badly for the economy as well. And he's he digs his heels in the bottom line is that federal workers. Out of work or furloughed for Donald Trump is not a political pressure point, just pure politics. It is not a pressure point for him. It is a pressure point for Democrats. So that is why I have thought that unless he just up in caves tomorrow because he decides to 'cause sometimes he does weird stuff like that. They would likely have to give some physical part of border security in a package, but as you shaking your head with good reason, the left has said, we gave you the house. And this is your first fight with him. You can't cave that we you're in. Is it because I know what mayor Catherine saying about the president is true. But how disturbing I mean, I want the American people to wrap their minds around this that the only pressure point for him is what impacts him directly, but he doesn't care about people not being able to feed themselves and their children. He doesn't care to seventy percent of this economy as a consumer based economy. So, you know, this this his he has never suffered materially a day in his life. He is a selfish selfish, man. I think it's easy for a lot of conservatives to say, well, this is a partial government shutdown. This doesn't affect the entire government. This is just a percentage, but at this is your paycheck. This is one hundred percent a big problem. So it really didn't hit home with a lot of constituents and reaching out to members of the house and Senate and their leaders until Friday when they first got that goose thing on their paycheck. And they said this is real. So now, they're speaking out, which I think goes a long way to why we're now seeing progress we had the problem solvers come today, and they say they have made progress they're finally getting together and having some consensus. There's going to have to be some horse trading. I believe DACA has to be part of the deal. But what they are having conversations on has moved progress on is there's a bipartisan effort, let's open up this government. And then we'll worry about securing the White House won't do that. Because they think the only leverage they have is the government shutdown. Take a look at Washington Post. Reporter Bob cost tweeted couple senior Republican lawmakers told me the only way this breaks open is if TSA employees stay home and Americans get furious about their flights. That's the only out they say and their close to the White House. And then you also heard in the piece by Tom foreman. There is this fear. Maybe it's going to take a tragedy. I mean, you have law enforcement agents, not agencies not working at full capacity it cetera. And hopefully that won't be it. Obviously, none of us want that to happen. But but will it take something like that? And I think that's. The point bringing this full circle back to the state of the union address to that is an int- time. We're all the supreme court justices, everyone in the executive branch except for one all of the members of congress. You have those number of people present and with the significance of their roles in one building. That is scary. And it is a severe threat, given the circumstances right now, and the government agencies aren't operating at their full capacity. A suicide bomber in Syria kills four Americans the same day, the vice-president restates the president's claim that ISIS has been defeated look at how they tried to clean that up next. Remember to create an ad like this one visit pure winning dot com slash CNN. Our world lead. Now, four Americans, including two US service. Members were killed in a deadly suicide attack in Syria today. I want to warn you the video of the blast that we're going to show you is graphic ISIS has claimed responsibility. But at this point has provided no proof of responsibility bizarrely hours after this horrific attack. Vice president Pence declared that the ISIS caliphate had quote, crumbled, and that ISIS had been quote, defeated the vice-president. Of course was following the script of President Trump on December nineteenth declared all American troops would immediately withdraw from Syria because ISIS had been defeated acclaim rebuffed and rebutted at the time by both the State Department and the Pentagon after that presidential pronouncement during Christmas visit to Iraqi commanders toll President Trump. That ISIS had not been entirely destroyed and apparently was an eye opening revelation for the president according to sources Republican Senator Lindsey Graham today directly tied the president's inaccurate mission accomplished declaration to today's bombing. Concern about the statements made by President Trump. Is it you'd set in motion? Enthusiasm by the enemy. We're fighting. You make people were trying to help wonder about us saw this in Iraq. And now saying it in Syria C, N N's Barbara Starr picks up the story now from the Fanta gone. Without warning massive suicide blast on the busy streets of manage in northern Syria. Killing and wounding US, troops and civilians people. Suddenly thrown to the ground devastation in this commercial area. Where US troops had been on what the US military called a routine patrol, but CNN has learned from US officials. The troops had a civilian intelligence expert with them hoping to collect information about security and adversaries in the area to US troops along with that civilian intelligence expert and a contractor were killed three service. Members were wounded acting Defense Secretary Patrick Shanahan, offering condolences allow me to extend on behalf. Department of defense. Our thoughts and prayers to the families and team members of those killed and wounded during today's attack Republican Senator Lindsey Graham who criticize President Trump's original announcement with broad US troops from Syria. It all they have encouraged adversaries concern about the statements made the President Trump is that you'd set in motion. Enthusiasm by the enemy were fighting. And as they get bolder. The people were trying to help are going going to get more uncertain. U S has not said who is responsible although ISIS quickly claimed responsibility shortly after the military acknowledged the attack vice President Mike Pence making no mention of the dead troops sticking to the White House. Talking point the caliphate has crumbled, and ISIS has been defeated tenths later issued a statement expressing condolences and clarifying. There are still remnants of ISIS in Syria, the military for its part has told the president ISIS is not defeated pushing back against Trump's claim in recent weeks, we have one against ISIS we've beaten them and we've beaten them badly, but the consequences of the withdrawal now becoming more clear losing territory. Does not end groups, historically, it just means they have to shift strategies to guerrilla style campaign. And that is exactly what ISIS has now done and tonight to you. Officials tell C N N. There are no plans to change President Trump's withdrawal plan from Syria. Jake or arms star at the Pentagon. Thanks so much CNN chief international correspondent put us aboard is on the ground for us in northern Syria right now, Colorado you've been to Syria more than a dozen times. You were down the street from where that blast happened just a few days ago. Are you surprised by the brazenness in the lethality of today's attack? Well, Jake, I would say I'm surprised in the sense that men budge was liberated back in September of two thousand sixteen. So it's been quite some time since a Kurdish led forces took control of that town. I'm surprised also in the sense that there's a US based just on the outskirts of the town. We also went and drove right by that the US flag flying there. Those a significant US presence. And I'm also surprised given that we haven't seen anything on the scale of this in terms of an attack a brazen attack like this on coalition forces. But I'm not surprised because I can tell you Jake the city was very tense when we visited we have been hearing from Kurdish officials both civilian and military that there are sleeper cells throughout the country. Members is nowhere near the front lines, Jake. But it doesn't matter. There are still people sympathetic to ISIS working within their networks who are lurking. In these towns, Jake, obviously, we still don't know definitively who carried. Out this horrific attack. It could be ISIS. It could be another group. We don't know is is has claimed responsibility, but provided no proof. Still vice-president Pence said ISIS had been defeated. What did the coalition partners you speak with on the ground in Syria thing, did they believe that ISIS has been defeated? No, they don't believe that Jake, and I can tell you because our crew was down on the front lines today. We saw for ourselves mortars being fired off air strikes being called in entire towns that the SDS a Kurdish led forces wanted to completely avoid because they are so concerned about the plethora of ISIS sympathizers, and ISIS sleeper cells that are still prevalent throughout vast tracts of the country. Isis is still a very real threat here and the real concern that we're hearing over and over again on the ground Jake is that when US troops? Withdraw a power vacuum is created and that only gives them more strength, Jake. Award in northern Syria. Stay safe and thank you. Let's discuss us all with former CIA and FBI counterterrorism official Phil Mudd as well as Brigadier General, Marquette or retired Brigadier General who served as assistant secretary of state for political military fares under President, George W Bush will let me start with you. What do you make of this attack? Obviously there are going to be all sorts of individual players in groups that want the US to be there. Don't want the US to be there. What how do you interpret it? Well, I think I we've got to wait to see what the intelligence says was this ISIS, obviously, they want to kill Americans want to kill anybody. They can was this an organization that wanted to get the Americans out was organization that wanted to get keep the Americans in. We don't know. But we've really got explained to the American people why we lost to American soldiers and two other Americans today and Phil take a listen to President Trump. He often criticized President Obama for telegraphing military movements and. Maneuvers tour enemies ahead of time. Take a listen. Well, one of the things I think you've noticed about me is militarily. I don't like to say where I'm going and what I'm doing. And I watched past administration say we will attack at such and such day at such and such an hour. I'm not saying I'm doing anything one way or the other. But obviously he did by saying that he was going to bring US troops home immediately. Do you think that possibly created a situation on the ground where this attack obviously the attack? I just want to make clear attack is their responsibility in the fault of the terrorist groups, but dozen nounce ING such military military withdrawal, create conditions in which attacks like this happen. I don't think so I do think there's a simpler way to understand this assuming as a general said that we we get intelligence that indicates that that ISIS was responsible for this look going back three or four years. Jake ISIS was on the ascendant, not only in Syria, but also in Iraq, they have been damaged mightily, especially geographically, they hold very little space anymore. One thing you want to do if you're a terrorist group is to maintain relevance in one way to do that. If you can't attack in a city that is conventionally is suicide bombers, I think in some ways, this is an indication of ISIS weakness, they want to maintain relevance. One way to. Do that is to kill American soldiers with the cheapest thing for a terrorist group. That's a suicide bomber that said one final comment if you're gonna whack President Obama for calling ISIS JV team. You can't then stand up and say when ISIS has a presence in places like Africa and Afghanistan in addition to Syria Iraq that they're defeated the answer is they're not in. It's not even close a general. Let me ask you. Because politically they're going to be people who say see like Lindsey Graham that see this is why we shouldn't announced the withdrawal. This is why we shouldn't even withdrawal. Because the fight is still there is is still there. They're also going to be millions of Americans who say this is why the president is right. We shouldn't be there. Bring your voice home. Why are they even there to begin with? No, I think that's right. And this was somewhat of a theoretical argument over the last couple of weeks as people were debating, should we come? Should we go? Should we stay or should we go? But the fact is we just lost four Americans. And I think it's time to have a healthy debate in my view. There is many reasons to stay as there are to go. My major concern. Was that by staying? We may be signing. Ourselves up for ten year mission and fill the White House says there are no plans to reverse the plan for withdrawal. What do you think the lesson of this attack is and what do you think the US should do? There's a simple solution to a simple question than any American should ask. What's the likelihood that in American family will be damaged by operations in Syria. I think relatively low compared to where we were three years ago. So I think we ought to get out. But there is one question, and this is where I'd had questions about the presence approach before you get out. You can't do it by tweet you have conversations with people like the Iraqis and the in the Turks to say, how do we protect the people who are allied with us when we're in there, and that's gonna take months not days. Yeah. And there are still a lot of Iraqis and Afghans who we promised we would protect who are not allowed to come into this country. And some of them have even been killed back in Iraq and Afghanistan for cooperating film in general. Thank you so much for being here. We appreciate it at another two thousand twenty presidential candidate to the long list. Other woman running for president to at this rate can Democrats afford to not nominate a female candidate stay with us. The right sheets can take your sleep and your style to the next level with bollandbranch, the upgrade has never been more affordable. 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And that is what we have to fight against in her first campaign appearances today Gelo brand also painted herself as a fighter for families and a champion for women. But will that be enough to distinguish her in? What will be a very crowded field of democratic presidential candidates CNN's? Athena Jones who's covering the brand campaign. Picks up our coverage from New York. I'm going to run for president of the United States Senator Kirsten gillibrand of New York making it official becoming the latest democrat to enter the twenty twenty fray because as a young mom, I will fight for your children as hard as I would fight for my own gillibrand announced last night. She was filing an exploratory committee on CBS late show touting her record helping to pass legislation like the nine eleven healthcare Bill and telling host Stephen Colbert what she would do as president on day one. Well, the first thing I would do is restore. What's been lost, the integrity and the compassion of this country? I would bring people together to start getting things done. Cool bare said has become a popular spot for democratic candidates and potential candidates. No surprise since. The Trump pushing comedian has been the highest rated late night host for two years running. Are you going to run for president? Dylan's announcement comes as her fellow Senator Sherrod Brown of Ohio who is also weighing or run is preparing to embark on a listening tour of early primary states beginning later this month spent mine tire Senate career fighting for the dignity of work as you pointed out, we want to stay by a comfortable margin that Trump and one overwhelmingly meanwhile, Hooghly on Castro who served as secretary of housing and urban development under President Obama officially announced. He's running over the weekend are a candidate for president of the United States. And made stops today in New Hampshire the first in the nation. Primary state here in New Hampshire y'all take your politics as seriously as we take our barbecue in Texas, another potential contender much buzzed about Texan Beto, aerobic has slammed President Trump for what he sees as fearmongering over immigration has seized this emotional language, very effectively. Completely irresponsible not tethered to the truth. But he raised eyebrows. When despite having represented, a border district for six years in congress and making the issue front and center on your social media feeds he could not outlined clear proposals for how to deal with thorny issues like immigrants who overstay their visas telling the Washington Post, I don't know. And adding it's something we should be debating arguing his lack of specifics showed he is being open minded about solutions. And back to Jill LeBron for a moment source close to her told me that Senator believes the lesson learned from the two thousand eighteen midterms when dozens of women ran for political office and one is that women are the future of the Democratic Party. And that Democrats need a woman to go against Trump. Jilib rain is heading to Iowa for several stops this week and to begin making her case to voters in that very important state Jake Jones who is covering the brand campaign for CNN. Thank you so much us a Senator Jila brand made it clear today. She plans to take on Trump and as one of her key focal points Julian Castro also went after the president at a campaign event. How much do you think that that not being Trump anti-trump anti-trump message should be the pitch? It shouldn't be the entire piss Jake. I mean, that's the only going to get Democrats so far you can't continue to just be anti Trump. You gotta be able to talk about the solutions. And what actually you will do if you win how you govern. How you will look out for the American people. It's clear. Everybody got the memo Democrats by and large are anti Trump. No surprise there. So tell us what you're gonna do. And that's something. They can all agree on the challenge here is that. I welcome more people to primaries. I think that's a good and healthy process, but they're running against each other for democratic nomination. So they need to distinguish themselves. I don't think the identity politics is a winning case for Jilib Ryan or anyone really it's about the issues. And I think we certainly have immigration. We have income inequality. We have a gay rights or or some of these issues that some of these candidates are coming. They need to show. The contrast they have to show that they have a great personal story. They have political ideology that connects and the power to connect because at the end of the day, they have to take on Donald Trump, and he's going to be a tough challenge. And I think, you know, it's it's kind of intellectually lazy at this point to label anything that has to do with women hood or LGBT QA or anything with black and Brown people as I did any politics. The only bucket of identity politics that have been acceptable over the last four years are folks who are targeting white blue collar workers or white conserve. This support Donald Trump or. Anyway, the alt-right has as it's been called. So I think it's unfortunate for us to continue to marginalize those issues in that way. Let me ask you. Let me ask you a question Kirstin gillibrand when she was a member of the house, representing the Albany area. She was much more conservative than she is. Now, she had an a rating from the NRA she's talked about sanctuary cities. Then she became the Senator of New York and became more progressive. How much would that will that damage your how much should it damage? Your are people not allowed evolve and change. She says she is the only person to go from a rating from the NRA to resistance hero. Right. But she is doing the straddle that both parties have to do which is you have to take care of the base, and you do have to speak to a more middle America more conservative more working class and a lot of white voters. The democrat party lost in the last election. She had more credibility doing that. When she was more conservative. But she has laid the groundwork for a long time, I will give her that's what looks more like a genuine Evelyn than it does super Expedia. And I think she also has she could be potentially sort of metoo candidate because she's been very consistent on those issues and in the democratic primary those fights could get a little ugly. But that could be something that she could she could press some advantage. Clearly, her tame made the calculation which I don't think it's a bad one. When you're talking about the primary is to go from being more moderate candidate to more far left for the race for the democratic nomination. But have you know, make no mistake about whoever wants they do win their nomination. They're going to go more to the middle to take on. I mean, she did as I mean, at least I read that she asked Wall Street for permission first, I mean, she went to court some of her Wall Street, folks. So she does represent well. I also, but Jay I go to the to the everyday people in the contract for you. Go to Wall Street, but let me I want to answer for the well that's enough. There is a historical nature of this. There will there will probably be five women candidates. We already have Jila brand Warren and Kamala Harris as a definite definitely running. And then you see Amy klobuchar thinking seriously about it Tulsi Gabbard said, she's definitely running. This is the first time in American history that more than one woman is running for the nomination of a party. Now, we have potentially five. Yeah. And just to be clear commonly harasses not formally announce not yet is that she we all expect maybe tiptoeing hinting. And there may be an know Dr king's birthday, he wrote a book. Yeah. Yeah. Everybody who writes books. Let's take the leap of faith that she's going to run have five women, theoretically, that's big and potentially first black woman. The last black woman who ran for president and had a decent chance was up against historic amount of misogyny and sexism thinking about Shirley Chisholm who has inspired so many of us. So Kamla Harris is ignoring Carol Moseley Mosey. I say I, but I wouldn't know what she was up a guess first black woman in that role. Seriously is significant and she made it very clear that she wasn't brunt. You know, that she was proud of being a black American and proud of being a woman, but that she was running for the people, and that's really a mess shelter all ingredients. So as the greatest portrait in the capital. Hello, no. The west flowing meet. Yes, I'm bald. Ball. A two thousand. Seventy to say this from the for the Democrats. The good thing is these are not just people that check the woman box and say I'm running for president. They are all each and every one of them are are good and strong and solid. Kenneth. I will look knowledge. The Democrats have a strong bench a lot of good qualified candidates. But at the end of the day, we'll be a difficult challenge taking on Trump. But we do have a lot of good. This is a good. I I think the Republicans had an impressive stable candidates last time around. I think the Democrats are going to have that this time around coming up next. 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Some of these moves specifically helping the coal industry where Wheeler once worked as the former coal lobbyists defended the EPA two new studies this week should serve as a warning to those at the agency and around the world C N N meteorologist, Jennifer gray has the alarming report in our earth matters series. A pair of dire new reports show that right now the world has both the warmest oceans and the greatest loss of Antarctic is ever measured the twenty eighteen record for ocean temperature breaking the one set just your before continuing a dramatic and dangerous pattern of warming. Water temperatures, according to international scientists also university of California at Irvine. Researchers say it's Artika is now losing two hundred fifty two billion tons of ice per year. A huge jump from about forty years ago when it lost forty billion tons a year most of the increase occurring in just the last twenty years. This is just the beginning. 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"Do you want to be a great physical therapist or physical therapist assistant. Of course you do you WanNa help your patients. Where do you WanNa do it well, that's personal to you. Let your pt or PGA license take you were you want to go travel physical therapy positions in fifty states and D C in all settings where a U. R. E. US medical dot. com that's a U. R. E. US MEDICAL DOT COM go there and pick out what's important to you. Let your license take your career where you wanted to go arias medical staffing a you are US medical dot com follow us online at PT podcast and subscribe on Dunes spotify or Google cassocks Yeah it's it's awesome. Ladies and gentlemen. Welcome it's great to see you kind of Welcome to the Flash Action Strategy PEP. Rally. What's going on? I'm your host physical therapist, Jim McKay, and I am so excited to be here. In my own living room with you. In your living rooms. That's how we're doing things these days. excited. This year's Flash Action Strategy HASHTAG FAS twenty twenty is raising awareness and donations for the PGA pack the physical. Therapy Political Action Committee which champions APTMA's legislative issues and physical therapy advocacy and if you any details remember, you can always go to a PTA dot org slash fas or as I mentioned follow along socials Hashtag Fas twenty twenty. Now while we're here, want this to be interactive were live on facebook. Why don't we start by letting US know where you are watching from just drop it in the comments where you're located what you do in the profession are you a physical therapy student PTA student? Are you a clinician, your academic. Let us know in the comments below. And if you have any questions, let's get interactive. Don't keep them to yourself drop those questions, the comments below, and we'll see how many we can bring onto the broadcasts as well. We're going to cover a lot of ground real quick. Give you the information you need to know right now. So you're armed with the information you need to make an impact for your profession when it's needed most, which is actually right now so Let's do this thing now that the is out of the way, let's get this pep rally started first up. Let's welcome PT Pack Ambassador from the Badger State. And a PTA student assembly vice president Lizzy Doan, and Kayla Harris late as. Doing the PEP rally thing. I'd like eleven, cups of coffee to give me his level I. Don't know about you guys. Thanks so much for joining us. Ladies how we're doing tonight. We're doing great doing great I'm. I'm doing good. She doing good Kelly Dune. Right. Double thumbs up I like that. All right ladies. Welcome. I want to thank you for your service for Political Action Committee and the Student Assembly Lizzy Star with you. PT Pack makes a big difference. I want you to give everybody out there. The big picture lay out of what the flash action strategies got its own Hashtag. Got Pep rally. But really what we WANNA make sure we start with the really really big picture. So Lindsay give it to us. Yeah. So the flash. Is it's an annual student led campaign. That unites the PTA communities through advocacy and so this year we chose Avenue election year. It's all about the PT, pack, as you did a great job introducing it is the physical. Therapy Political Action Committee. And that committee is snoopy important on. Educating, and advocating for profession occasions. And so yeah, we chose to this year. Because it isn't election year and obviously in the times of Kobe. Hard. Times. But really hoping that the next two days, which is when everything starts that you really. We really take it and all about education. It's about upping your social media game in posting about having conversations with people in your in your work in your programs also sending letters to your to your Congress people and just really bringing the importance of the PT Pack to London Center and then. Having that, inspire you to hopefully donate to the fact because those funds allow us to advocate for and make those connections. Yeah. The I think a lot of people will say before a donation before we ask them get involved. If you're at a conference, remember when we used to go to conferences in person with people we'll do we'll adventure. But really if you get around people who are involved with the P. T. pack search. A see that energy and that becomes kind of contagious and then that's when you start to see donation. So really if even if it's virtual restaurant to see that online again using that Hash Tag Hash Hashtag F a s twenty twenty and this week unites the profession online. So I think you did a great job really giving us the high level anything else you WANNA add in there and to to clarify for the audience. Good. Now just make sure the next day out talk to people and. Give them money if you can't anything. There you go I like that Kayla were up with you. The Student Board of directors is known to lead the charge. Dare I say you are the cheerleaders of the Student Assembly cheerleaders PEP rally you got it the audience out student physical therapists, student physical therapist assistants, and as we all know great clinicians we start by setting good goals to achieve success. So what are the goals for the Flash Action Strategy over the next two days? Awesome questions. So we three mingles first one is to have three percents. From. PD STUDENTS IN PTA students signed living. Well we can do it. Second goal is to raise at least two thousand dollars and then the third goal is you have two hundred, eighty new student stars and I am A. Student start, on today all right. On my screen you're frozen but I, think the students star describe briefly what the student star is how does someone become student start looking at make two hundred and fifty students stars. Star. Donate twenty dollars to the Deepak. Not Teacher. Twenty. One time donation to be a student star on and then you also. On the. Website as well. Yeah that's great. I mean getting involved in your profession going to pay dividends down the road, right because you're hopefully going to be in this profession for a long time. Ladies we appreciate you coming in here really laying the ground. Wait a bat leadoff for the Flash Action Strategy PEP rally. Here. Thanks for all your work tonight, and thanks for leading the charge out of the gate with us. Thank you. All right there we go. Continuing on Flash EXIT STRATEGY PEP rally here. Let's get hype here. Next up in the PEP rally. A man who wears a suit on Capitol Hill but. Chill axis in a gold velour jumpsuit on his downtime. Ladies and gentlemen. Welcome PTA Vice President for government affairs Justin Elliot. GotTa hype insurer, Their Justin Hyphen trump. Justin, can you hear me Oh is our audio? Good. Get frozen. Dairy is. Here. I am there's trough. Justin. How we me how we doing, Justin. Good. Thanks for having me on. Tonight. Thanks for everyone who is watching quite a few people out there. Let's talk about some issues. Right. We want to see what the flash exit strategy is going to help move the needle on that you and your team are always working on the American Physical Therapy Association, all toss them to you one by one. We'll kind of treat it like batting practice feel free to elaborate on the issue that I throw you. And then draw that connection between the issue and the. Political Action Committee and how that element is really vital to make change start with this one workforce diversity. Yes. So one of a P J strategic priorities is to ensure that the physical therapy profession is diverse and inclusive making sure that are the workforce reflects the patients that we treat and so one of the things that. is working on and we're doing it in collaboration with the American occupational therapy and with the speech and Hearing Language Association and the audiologist is an exciting bill that would create a new program, a new grant program that would provide funding to universities to PT programs, and they could utilize that money to recruit and retain individuals who are currently under represented in the physical therapy profession. Everyone folks from racial and ethnic minorities people with disabilities. Folks from economically disadvantaged backgrounds and so that legislation which actually has passed the house and is now in the Senate and that is legislation that's bipartisan on the house? It's being sponsored by a congressman. Bobby Rush Democrat from Illinois and congresswoman Cathy mcmorris Rogers a Republican from Washington, and then in the Senate it's Senator Lisa Murkowski a Republican from Alaska and Senator Bob. Casey a Democrat from Pennsylvania and you'll see that a lot with. Our bills, we are very bipartisan, and that's why PT Pack is so important on these when we look at doing legislation, making sure that we are being bipartisan and that we're bringing people together to solve problems and address these issues and so this legislation which we are hopeful that will maybe cease action in the Senate. But if not, it will be back in the next congress is really key to ensuring that not only are we permitting? Sure and setting a future where our profession is going to be diverse and inclusive but it also helps provide a financial assistance because we know that student loan debt is such a huge issue for so we're it's a great bill. We're very excited and also thanks to everyone who has been providing support over the last several months and got this bill through the house. All right. Let's move onto that neck. Next topic, we got a lot of students. Watching. Right. Now, we're watching the comments I'm going to watch as these explode right comment comment money. If you think this one's important next topic up student loan repayment, take it away. nother strategic priority for a as to address the unsustainable situation we have in the profession, which is the mounting a student loan debt that is that. So many of our students and young professionals have an impact. So many areas of of your life I mean not only with the ability to having to worry about the student loan repayment and impacts. You know where you live what type of job you're gonNA take and so We do have legislation in this Congress? Legislation that would add a physical therapist to the National Health Service Corps loan repayment program. Now, what would happen if this bill passes? Well, it would allow physical therapist you who agree to a two year commitment and working out a facility or clinic that's located in a medically underserved area and that's going to be primarily rural areas and also underserved communities in urban and suburban areas a two year commitment you would be eligible for up to fifty thousand dollars in student loan repayment in addition to the salary that you beginning in that legislation. Again, this is bipartisan legislation in the House it's congresswoman Diana get from Colorado and. Congressman John. A Republican from Illinois in the Senate we have. Senate. Senator Jon Tester Democrat from Montana and senator wicker from Mississippi and so this legislation against strategic priority in the House I'm happy to report. I believe as of today we're up to ninety seven cosponsors just on the House bill and so this is a bill that we're trying to get momentum going. You know we had a covid and the pandemic lot of focus has been on making. Sure that were providing a relief to our providers, our students into to the public. But this is bill is still a tr-, a strategic priority, and again, it's just one way that we're looking to try to address the student loan debt through legislation, and one way we can do is to try to expand those opportunities for PT's and PTA's that through the various federal grant and scholarship programs and. So, this bill is is critical to us. I know it's critical to you and it's something that we definitely WanNa see and make happen, and again by having that support of PT Pack were able to engage those folks who were supporters of the physical therapy profession and the best way member of Congress can support the physical therapy profession right now is to support addressing the student loan debt issue. Yeah. Just, I'm not sure if you're watching the comments blow up underneath but really really I think we touched tim we touched a nerve. There are keeping our fingers on the pulse there with the students but you know I wanNA point out your you're naming these legislators by name who's paying attention to this, and I just want to highlight this for the students paying attention Justin, and his team. Building relationships with these people. That's the way that they pay attention to the issues. It's not necessarily a money spent. It's a relationship that's what your donation is going to do just working with these people on a one to one person to person basis, and that's how we get things solved in in our government. So fantastic. So you're working on it not just you but your entire team. And not only our team but also all of the folks out there watching I mean we have. Folks in all fifty states pt's PTA students who are key contacts, federal affairs, liaisons who are part of their chapter or section of Legislative Affairs Committee or who've just signed up to be part of APGA's advocacy network who are building those relationships in the district out in the states with their members of Congress that is so key and so important because it really complements that work doing the work that we're doing in Washington. DC It's not just the lobbying that the lobbying team is doing. It's the work of grassroots and of a PT advocates, PTA advocate student advocates as well, and of course, the role that the physical therapy political action committee plays working altogether. That's how we start moving the needle. Yeah feeling altering the right here at the PEP rally and every go. Get Energy there we are make sure drop your questions and comments below will get more topics here from from Justin Justin you where where are you right now geographically where you located right now right now out in Virginia actually I'm out in a front Royal Virginia. I'm visiting my parents who I haven't seen in six months now. So I. GotTa. It's go get a test for Covid I'm and now parents and it's been a wonderful family reunion after a being apart and you know. I think that with this pandemic. We've all been forced to be a part and it's been tough emotionally financially psychologically it's been tough but one thing that's great about the Flash Action Strategy? It's bringing us together. We may not be together in person, but we're going to beat together virtually online and coming together and being together and I'm so excited about tonight because even though we're all in different locations throughout the country, it's nice to get the physical physical therapy family together for an event like this you're setting me up here with the Radio Segue next issue I'm GonNa toss you want to hear about. Is something that might look something similar to what we're doing on screen here. Telehealth telehealth. Wow. So many changes just in the last few months on the issue of. Now before the pandemic physical therapists, physical therapists assistance couldn't utilize telehealth at least under Medicare they they couldn't it was not reimbursable. We were not authorized providers under Medicare to do telehealth. One of the things that happened this spring is that when the when Congress began a passing emergency legislation and there was the national emergency declared, one of the things that happened was when the public health emergency was declared that gave certain temporary authority to expand the use of telehealth. Under Medicare and again, thanks to all the work that all of our members to contact Congress and CMS to make sure that they included. A physical therapy has one of the services that could be provided via telehealth right now and ever since spring we have been allowed to not only to utilize telehealth under Medicare but we're getting reimbursed just as if it was in person Now that's been great and it's been a it's been critical to not only ensuring patient access but insuring provider access those folks who are out there in the clinics, the facilities making sure that it's again, it's another tool to keep safe and it's something that Medicare beneficiaries have loved. It's really popular now the problem is. Is that it's only temporary when the national emergency is declared over all of these temporary waivers that have been allowed because of the emergency, all of those go away and if that happens, then we go back to how it was back in prior to the pandemic where we don't get paid for Telehealth under Medicare but there's no way that federal government can put this genie back in the bottle I call health has really taken off, and so we need to do is we need to pass legislation that will ensure that physical therapists and physical therapist assistants can continue to deliver services provided via tell to Medicare beneficiaries. Now, we were working on this prior to the pandemic and it. Was Interesting though response from Congress there's a little bit of uncertainty. There are trying to wrap their minds around. Well, how do you do physical therapy via telehealth but because of the national emergency and US undo undergoing what is basically the largest pilot program unexpected pilot program on the use of telehealth nationwide it is amazing the response and thoughts of members of Congress on telehealth. Now, they are seeing the benefits at this has in terms of patient access page providers safety, and really making sure that folks have access to the care that they need, and so we're going to see this issue continue to really move forward. We are hopeful that there's a couple of bills that are floating around. Now, we anticipate a bill in the future to be introduced. Maybe mid to late October, that would do that. Just what we're talking about making permanent, what we currently are allowed to do temporarily under the national emergency, and so it it's critical. We've gotTA keep fighting and keep on working and again when you look at the members of Congress who are fighting for his folks like Senator Schatz of Hawaii Congressman Thompson of California So many again, bipartisan folks that we're talking about who are looking to try to find a policy solution to make telehealth permanent. It's the role of PT Pack and being able to show support for those folks who are fighting for us in Congress. Yeah. I I love that. You're saying gene can put PAT in the bottle. We gotTa make sure that we've gotta make sure that legislation. So I'm going to three. We've got time for one more with you. One more I got it this a virtual PEP rally I. Wish we're on the same room wish we were together, but we're not, but I'm watching the comments and they're exploding this one's the evil villain. This is the mega boss at the end of the video game right here. So I WANNA make sure I see. Fight the cut. In the comments if you hate this one just in. Nine percent. That's all I'm GONNA say nine percent right now just talk to US making cuts during a global pandemic to healthcare is reckless and irresponsible, and it is absolutely insane that this proposal is even being floated. So folks right now, cms is going to make cuts not only to physical therapy, but to thirty five other healthcare providers, Ot speech Dietitians radiologist pathologists, surgeons thirty five different healthcare provider groups are slated for deep cuts on January first physical therapist were slated for a nine percent cut game over man that is. Just that is incredibly insane to do, and so we are been advocating not only to cms to the white. House. To hhs saying you've got to stop this proposal at least Redo it and rework it. So the cuts don't aren't as deep or as broad as as they're thinking but cms just is moving along saying we're going to implement on January first and so the the if this happens, let's just be clear. What's GonNa Happen First of all patient access is going to suffer and the for patients who? Suffer, the are those again in rural and underserved areas When we look at where we're going to be hopefully in January, we're going to hopefully be recovering from this pandemic and physical therapy plays a critical crucial role in the rehabilitation of patients who are getting over Cova. We're seeing this every day folks who have muscle weakness folks who have cardiovascular issues. Physical therapy is the key to the recovery. It is part of the road to recovery, and the idea that physical therapy is GonNa get a nine percent cut. When we're in the middle of a pandemic when we are critical in the recovery of our patients, again is insane but it's also good hurt physical therapy small businesses. You know clinics again in rural and underserved areas are not going to be able to manage this cut and so cms has has been as being pretty stubborn. They're moving forward and so we're turning to Congress. Congress, we've been talking to Congress about this for about a year now saying you know cms has this crazy idea and congress kept on saying well, let's just wait and see if they're really going to do this. Let's wait and see when they an August when they released the proposed twenty twenty one rule there's no way that they can do this. Well, as we saw an early August, they released the rule and indicating that, yeah, they're moving forward with these deep cuts again to thirty five different healthcare provider groups, effective January first, and so now it is time for Congress to intervene to act and prevent these cuts from happening and we are we're working. In coordination and coalition with a different healthcare provider groups were working with with the chiropractors we're working with surgeons we're working with other therapy groups. Asha radiologist pathologist there's very few things in this world that United Healthcare provider community. This is it and so thank you to everyone who's who's out there has shagged fight the cut we're going to stop this we're going to prevail or not going to let this APP. I love that you know what says a lot about our profession we mentioned student loan repayment and we watched the comments students obviously watching this is really aimed at the flash strategy at students, physical therapists and physical therapists. That got a lot of comments we got more on fight to cut because I think they recognized, and that's why those students are in. These professions are on their way is because this will affect vulnerable population. So I think it says a lot about the students watching the students coming up in our profession. Yes. They're concerned about the student loan, but really watched watch these comments explode with fight the cut hashtag fight to cut. That's the thing that is really threatening our profession. All right. Just back I just lost you there for a second ago. Says a lot about the students want to thank you and your team for all the work that you're. Doing a lot of the time I want to give kudos suggested into seem a lot of the time. It's not on camera doing the LEGWORK and. Hitting the street and making relationship with relationships with Abbott advocates and who people who are going to push this profession forward. Justin thanks so much to you and your team for helping us. All right. Let's get hype. Next. Guests a veteran physical therapist. WHO has no problem whatsoever asking you to reach into your pockets for the pack and Gentlemen Say Hello in the comments to PT Pack Trustee The lady in red, jacket? Even Norman. There she is. Are you ready. I think your muted it's twenty twenty. The HASHTAG, the Hashtag for twenty twenty is, in fact, you're still on mute eve how we doing tonight doing. Great. Thanks to me. I was little. I was a little nervous if you weren't wearing a red coat or jacket, I was going to be a little offended but you got that you're sporting right there. Anytime. I talk about the pack I always have this code on. So I can be spotted anywhere even virtually even virtually from around the world. All right. Well, thanks first of all the hustling you and the other trustees and the red jackets do for the pack. Let's talk about the basics I know when I was in school I might have heard about the pack, but maybe I didn't know exactly what it was. When someone asks you what the pack is and how it makes the profession better how do you answer? Yeah, absolutely. Well, first of all, the PT Pack is the sole fundraising arm of the association that provides actually access influence to legislators who can actually champion or issues on a federal level. It helps get support or opposition to legislation that's important to us. It also helps us get our friends of physical therapy reelected. In. Take note that the PT Pack is a federal pack separate from other pack that you may hear about your states and it's also important to note that PT Pack is a separate entity from a Ta that means that abt dues can now be used for your T. PAC donations in we can only accept donations from AP team members, and of course, contributions are voluntary. That's kind of the nutshell. But I think that Nachos those basics as we learn PTA school and PG school you gotta start with the basics. So. What's with the coat then? Let, people know who maybe haven't been to a conference before the students who haven't seen you know face to face something like a CSM. What's the deal with the red coat? So we decided to pick a color that obviously stood out and when you seen individual wearing this coat that means they're pack board of trustee they've been elected by the board of directors to essentially solicit to members across the country to help support our pack, and so that's the renaissance or the Lady Lady in red lot of trustees and read Art Eva. How does the pack explain this for US help? ABT members add value as practitioners and why's that matter? Absolutely so just in of course, just shared with you about various different legislations are so important to the profession but lists even just talk about just these devastating cuts that are about to come hopefully, hopefully will not happen on January first, it's going to be looking pretty doom and gloom. So what these dollars allowed us to do this star since the pandemic started, we have met our lobbyists and. Members across the country have met with had one hundred and seventy-five virtual fundraisers with these dollars and those virtual fundraisers. Those face to face contacts with members of Congress have allowed them to educate them and develop relationships with them. Why is that important to note because when a letter was introduced earlier this year opposing niece cuts eighty to ninety percent of those members who signed we had donated to there. were. These are truly invaluable. Ito. Congress makes laws that are significantly impacting us without these dollars. We cannot get access to them or chance to influence their roach, which, of course, harm our future. So just in a nutshell, we cannot get legislation passed introduced about these dollars. We cannot get letter sign without these dollars. In other words, we cannot move the profession for without these dollars I can't say it any better than that guys these dollars are valuable to the future of your profession I like to highlight were those were those donations go? Because making a donation where you you wanna see that affect you got you got time for for some questions. Students want to know some things and that's good eve is here for. A question from the comments blow on facebook live here. By the way the Hashtag is F s twenty twenty for the next forty eight hours. What ability do we as contributors have to influence PT, pack interests and efforts. How do you have so? My Gosh. So those dollars as I mentioned, allow us you know eat any donation all counts I mean I know times are tough right now for everybody but even just contributing even a small amount magic every member gave twenty dollars, ten dollars, five dollars there's over a hundred, thousand us. I know exactly right. Become Student Star guys today. But with those dollars, we can literally spin time. I have spent nearly forty five minutes with my member of Congress who recently introduced telehealth legislation tell legislation you're. To be covered by all private insurers and I had forty five minutes valuable. That would be prior to him introducing that legislation in think about what that led to in all it took these should be able to develop a relationship like that be able to spend time with him to educate and develop that relationship. So every single person who donates a massive impact Yeah, it's it's important. Jeremy Kamilo wants to know why is it only? Members. Who can donate? What was the rule? What's behind that? What loser laws it? Obviously, we can't change. You know it's it the that's just because we're this the pack belongs to the Associated Essentially entity of the association but is the sole fundraising arm of the Association law stipulate that we can only accept donations from the APEC YEAR AP team members. Excellent. Eva Thank you so much for all that you and the other trustees do and I really really hope that they're going to catch some of your some of your energy right here. And and help us with the PT Pack. So I look forward to when it's safe seeing you in person and all those redcoats. So thank you for all that you do. We'll talk again soon. All right coming in the studio. Now, more physical therapy students one from the Empire State of New York. The other is a cheesehead from Wisconsin, welcome James Novak and Sam Sunder Gentlemen. Veritas. Going very strong introduction guys. Without being awkward so I I'll leave that. It's the virtual PEP rally. So just trying to bring the camp guys welcome to show. Let's start with you. Jane's let's tree like a reevaluation. Let's revisit those goals that Kayla mentioned earlier. It's always it's always good to focus on the things that we're trying to effect change on. So let's review those goals. What are we looking for the audience watching now live or watch listening to or watching a replay of the goals we want them to help us hit. Absolutely, as we know reiterating things so important especially in our profession. So guys listen here big three things with flash action tragedy this year three big goals number one, we need three percents, student participation. What's that look like? Well, we have about thirty thousand. Students combined just that's an average number three percents. Student participation were around nine, hundred, thousand students. I know we can do that, and in fact I think three percent I think that's something we can shoot right at. Number two, number two, we need ten thousand dollars raised and that might sound like a lot. But let's think about that a little bit I, just told you. There's thirty thousand T- PTA students across the country. Okay. Now, any amount donated is good like Eva just said you know we would love to have everyone student stars donate that twenty dollars. But if you can't any donation will help with thirty thousand PT PTA students I have no doubt we're. GonNa Reach Ten K. no doubt whatsoever and last but not least we're looking for two hundred and fifty student stars and to be a student star like we talked about earlier, you have to make twenty dollars donation and now I know that might sound like a bit for a student at first. I want you to think about it like this number one, you get a v. flashy pen as we saw that's your that like oh badge. Very cool. But really the number to the big thing is look you can say i. Am a PC Paxton Star they're going to have you printed on their website and you can say look when my profession needed me most when our backs were against the wall. All right. When we were on the menu, I stood up and I supported them I became a student star half. That's something I. would put on a resume something you can really speak to for being involved in the profession. So those are three big goals. Yeah. Good rewrite. Good. I like how you frame. If you're a student. If you're a student physical therapist students, physical therapist assistant, we hope that you're in this profession for a long time. This is making a twenty dollar donation that right now is really important. It's going to be even more important for the ramifications down the road. So thanks for re racking for the for the goals there. Let's go to Sam let's hear from you. Let's talk tactics. How are you getting students to participate what things are you doing on a on a small level which can have a pretty big effect. Just me personally I, mean the way. The great thing about this is that even though these are things that. I've done to promote the flashback strategy or try to. It's really something that any student can do and had some really started with just e mailing my program emailing students in my program saying, Hey, here's class action strategy. Here's the PT Pack you know kind of getting them educated on on what's going on in our profession right now and encouraging encouraging them to get involved. and also sent an email out to our states Koran Basseterre asking her to get other programs in the state involved as well which you know there is that competitive aspect of the flash action strategy in terms of programming involvement. But some you know we're all in this together. So we all want as many student involvement as much. As we can as we can get And certainly nowadays, it might be a little more difficult to have these face to face interactions with other students but take those opportunities when you can. I think it's a lot more powerful. You know when you can speak face to face with each other and you know advocate for the profession. In you know in the same room as each other and just get each other fired up about fighting for our patients and fine profession. I'm sorry did you say fired up right there? I feel pretty fired up right there. Are mentioned we mentioned what a student star is but but SAM, what does it mean to be students start? The goal here is to get two, hundred and fifty. We got a bunch of people listening and watching right now I would love to know if any of them have made the decision to donate that twenty bucks, I'll donate twenty bucks. I want to hear from people who were saying I will stand up for my profession and I'll donate twenty bucks to be a student star. If you're going to do that, drop it in the comments with the Hash Tag Fa twenty twenty let us know if you're going to be a student star but Sam for you what is being a student star meal Yes James already mentioned, I, mean, it's a way for us to say you know when our backs were kind of against the wall we thought for our profession aiming for us organization a student star Kayla to previously. You know it's a way for us to to recognize your contribution kind of sounds cliche. You know any any you know contribution is as significant and there's no no donation to small, but it really is true. I mean the dollars add up and any any donation that anybody would be willing to to give is extremely important. So again, for the organization, it's a way for us to recognize you and your contribution to us and to your patients for the students. Themselves though it's an easy way to show other people that you're informed and you're and quite literally putting your money where your mouth is. That's again you know when when your profession was facing a challenge, you stood up and you said, you know I'm GonNa, defend our profession and most importantly as the patients are always the center of everything we do you fought for the patients that we're going to be at risk and so to me that's ultimately what being a student star means. That while said guys you guys are both third year students I don't know what you're doing here right now at this virtual pep rally guys, she'd be studying back to get back to books get back to reviewing notes for clinic. Tomorrow. Thank you guys for coming on here and just just sharing a little bit of that energy to make sure students and we're watching the comments kind of go up there. I almost three hundred viewers right now all using that Hashtag fas twenty twenty for the next forty, eight hours. We can amplify our voice I know right now we're virtual. We can see what this tool of telehealth can do. How a virtual flash action strategy can get a lot done. So Hashtag FAA twenty twenty, we're going to drop the Lincoln in the comments as well that you can be a student Star for twenty bucks the goals to fifty I love to blow past that one. What's bring someone back in the studio Lindsay's coming back in the show. There she has. poof. Like magic veteran show that time Lindsey how we doing you've been hanging out backstage with us. Listening. All the comments you've been listening to a reason saying how that make you feel to watch and feel even though they're not in the same room, you're all students in your profession rally around this. I, am seriously you. Background I smile has not left my ace it has been so amazing to see everyone and just talk about it i. know them all personally we've all met before everyone that's then in this this pep rally and just seeing them so passionate makes me so happy and and you're doing a great job you're the host extraordinaire and I just think with this energy. We're we're GONNA, make a difference. I can't tell it all that you're excited. I really wish came through in some way but yeah, it looks like the faces just going to be music. Height. Guy Get hype for the Flash Action. Strategy. Like in what we're seeing in the comments there everybody using that Hashtag fas twenty, twenty this things forty, eight hours it's GonNa go by quick like the clock is going to you know what? We want people to don't put it off till tomorrow we need like the more people get involved with the banner, right? Right. Yes. So I mean it, it did start tonight it started off right now we're getting we're getting for the next two days are the action days we all need to take action we need to educate ourselves. We need to take time in our programs if you're in school right now if you can take five minutes to educate about what the back is and how it's impacting all of us if that's possible. Yeah I. I like that one to one approach. Absolutely, share and reshare any messages from AP TA from a fellow student or clinician about the Flash Action Strategy. But but singling out one colleague or one classmate or one person who can do it that can go a long way. If you know almost three hundred people just watching live here at a Monday night with us that can go a long way as we wrap this virtual PEP rally up. We got we got those aren't Q.. Lindsey. Brought you back on what's what's what's your parting shot as we call it? What's the one thing you want to leave the audience with as though go ahead and really hit the clock for forty eight hours in this flash strategy. What's what's the thing you want in their mind as they go out of here? Well there is there's one thing but then there's also a couple of things but the biggest thing is to really make sure that our future is a priority for all of us because we are the future in with, we don't invest in it right now that is going to be troublesome for our future and so definitely make our profession and our future priority in our lives right now and simple way even if it's not even if it's not donating a dollar or two thousand dollars or two. Hundred dollars is, are you registered to vote? Are you able to vote in this upcoming election and in the and for all of the lawmakers that are not friends? So make sure you are you're registered to vote make sure your neighbors ready to vote make sure everyone's registered to vote and then get out there and actually do it. Yeah. I'm excited what I'm seeing right now live in the comments, but I do not at any point one to take our foot off the gas a lot of hype. But. We don't want to just don't. WanNa. Lose that. So we want to keep this momentum going. So we're letting you know Hashtag F A s twenty, twenty retweeting share, amplify your voices, and as Lindsay saying, this is very, very important We we come together as a profession to make sure ultimately, our our patients are taking care of always amplifier voice. If you're in a PT program, Ask Your Faculty to support you being stars. What if what if you pay then they? Pay Ten right. What if you could do that? 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Sibling Rivalry Podcast: Episode 03

The Brilliant Idiots

1:07:23 hr | 1 year ago

Sibling Rivalry Podcast: Episode 03

"We back we black sibling rivalry podcast gets my nurse. There's been a few weeks. Charlemagne god on angela for twenty seven hours. I don't know i didn't sleep last night because i was coming from the west coast this weekend so invite my ugly aspect of beauty. I had no idea because you got you know how to skin bleach so they want to know how to use that tore. Was it call you know what you got. Your eyebrows microbe-related. Mike related to wear eyeliner. No you have mascara and you were skin bleaching. This is all dr tosh sanity and matala just black woman and and you also wear <hes> you do contour nope yeah and there's bronze right here. No respect it up if i were to be fifty product alex. Oh yes that is a good word with andy. I liked especially the highlights really yeah. I like i don't. I don't wear makeup normally bid if i get my makeup done it. Oh that's a pretty baby pretty baby is it what what what was your beauty. Call my shoes off in here on slide. What was your because that's all you with the home care soon and mainly. I thought it was such a wonderful event because <hes> our conversation because we talked about two black women in <unk> business who really figured it out on their own. I'm not saying that they haven't had good mentors and folks. They worked with along the way they acknowledged that as well <hes> but really figuring out how to make it with their own blueprint <hes> and two women who supported each other along the way as friends friends in never stood in each other's way never saw it as a competition always figure out a way to lift each other up and it was just beautiful <hes> the fact that when they met met each other wasn't a love hate relationship it was like it's friendship or <hes> which was really cool and so is a conversation on legacy on friendship on sisterhood on how dope black doc women entrepreneurs are since we're the fastest growing group entrepreneurs in this country and i got to sit with two of them who are doing really great. Thanks longer than me younger than me and killing it. It's amazing you do stuff like that because people get to see you in another light outside of just screaming at white men on really don't like screaming at white men on c._n._n. Or anywhere else that's taxing. Gotta be right. Yes i would rather like talk about happy steph or i mean and i don't wanna do it to the point. We're like i'm making people feel like there's a real ish going on but like it drains me. I'm worried about 'cause i. I was talking to <hes>. I take my tears on a gangsta lean might be broke actually tanks before we great for a mediocre talking on appreciated gene and viral illness adele following the hell out of although i almost thought the chairman i sat down talking to here in minnesota at me. I'm self deprecating. It's fine down and i was like this. I was like now died right here. Do you think that i was talking to on the president's houston while we can't lose our joy hanging to summon ianna progress woman ran against an incumbent of several years with the strength of the people right and is the first black woman black person who's ever to represent a massachusetts congress in boston is racist. L. south is not just the south broke. If a guy they say magazine boston shit mega. That's not really it's not really hit him with my car israel but the rest of the about it's not it's fake news okay. Were you saying we should have joy. We gotta remember to have joy and i agree with that but it's really hard joy right now and i doubt across the board like when you see her rasheeda and ilhan and alexandria <hes> who they call the squad in congress now i get joy because i know that they're fearless advocates for i don't agree with every single thing that all of them do i on for the most part yes but not really ilhan to alexandria got got some questions about why she wants to run and get some of our black incumbents <hes> but i think like the fact that they are fearless. We'll take things on even when like you know fox in all these other news outlets tried to make fun of them are de legitimize what they're saying and they're still there. That gives me a lot of <hes> <hes>. I'm encouraged by that the joy to see that but like you're not cowardly no but like to know that there were kids who started their first day of school when they were separated from their families. That doesn't give me joy. The fact that i'm having to litigate whether or not donald trump is racist or he's implementing a white supremacist not really not a point like don't ask me that and that's the you can tell right now. It makes me mad because i feel like it's a form of gasoline bridge another question at this point not only that it's like. There's nothing to question mike from before he was in the white house. It was a thing so why is it not a thing now is actually path. Racism is actually to me. I just think it's fast. It's the fastest ajay's been saying that i don't i disagree. I did hear that white dude fascist thing on my on my page on it was like a checklist how you know it's faster than i posted on. There and people were like super responsive like yes definitely been this guy scary mucci. What was the guy who used to be his man. They called the <music> suits was his name is a scary scary. Mucci is not scary scary. Mosul karim's family members scary mucci. You know what's so crazy to me. <hes> we had a panel this morning on c._n._n. I don't know when this podcast in a drought but with training is today tuesday okay so we we did our panel is me april ryan bakari sellers andrew gillum and we were talking about <hes> scary moocher and the thing that's so crazy to me with you saying that you know with all the puns attached is it's kind of legitimate my whole issue with him is like people want to apply and like patty cake him for his courage courage right now. He was in the trump administration for under two weeks. He's coming out saying the things that we've all been saying since before. He was elected really since used to say crazy ish about barack obama trying to discuss for jesus and what is so crazy to me is like people want to applaud that he's not doing anything courageous. He's not going in and challenging them on instead of arresting or taking detaining the the parents and the laborers at these chicken plants. They're not arresting the owners owners and operators of the plant. That's how raids used to work. You're not doing courageous are really not doing a courageous trying to get a book deal. You'd think so yes. What is he doing this for. I don't know if i could stand behind trouble. Everybody's like who gives a damn or you matt. Let's see how many followers do like the fact that he said trump should be replaced played the top of the g._o._p. Tickets that's not gonna happen and i don't even think scare mucci. Is that his own. He made a point. I don't even think he was he was a republican before he worked for trump trump when i think people are mad about that at the beginning what the fuck is. He looked like he should've been happy. What are you talking about. Here is eight hundred and fifty thousand dollars. That's a lot it would ever do what he said. When someone is dividing the country was racist rhetoric. He's still not calling him racist by the way seeing racist rhetoric and that's like the thing that some white people do so they don't have to call it racism and giving people a licensed to hate. You have to call it out congratulations to called it out several years later so that's the point i i was. I was getting that on anderson cooper last night. He said something that i thought was interesting. He said that <hes> he definitely thinks trump uses a lot of races rhetoric but he said he thinks trump doesn't just to rile up a certain base but he said he doesn't feel like trump is anything he said. He said he thinks trump looks at people live q. Literally she listened to the last part of my podcasts and unprecedented did unprecedented because that's what trump tweeted. I'm president argument on impeachment because there is a record of racism that he stood on on since before he was elected. I'm talking about early eighties. You know he likes to show these pictures of him and reverend out under my reverend our him wherever jackson under my reverend jackson and my thing is like regardless of who standing with you there may be heroes to me or people who are count as mentors or people look to respect. I don't care you're still racist. Bigot dan take out three or four pages for san francisco barbara. He got sued by department just not once but twice had to settle with regardless of what rate says regardless of what you think you are your actions show which raises he's a racist but i do agree with larry lincoln at what i'm trying to ask you what i was looking at. Why did i pick this up. How many miles it also gonna look up. Wha- what was he before he was. I think he was. I do agree which scary mucci that donald trump does not give a fuck about anybody on he give a fuck about poor white people that he'd be loving and caring team the white supremacists on he cared about the nationalist on weekends black people brown people. I don't think donald trump about anything but he can not care about anybody. The instill be a racist bigot. That's all i'm saying. I know what i mean. There's about anybody either can't really be mad at a person whose hands in that little because god made his hand little because he about look big. My hands are these big because i am able to have a lot in these hands. I can hold a lot in these hand. Trump can't hold anything in those little hands. So how do you expect effectively be a loving caring person who actually cares about the wellbeing of others with ham so small. Can you please somebody. Is there a buzzer that i can push. You should bring one yeah so that when you use somebody needs to get you. I don't have any proof that he was a democrat but i think the disclaimer for this particular. I guess i've been up for how many hours yeah so maybe i might be wrong than norma how wrong sometimes <hes> lose supposed to start somewhere positive positive. We don't have served. We can get back to joy joy. Joy reid read actual joy like black boy. Joy joy is black. We have fire. We gotta stay in a joys perspective but that awesome black iron that i laugh at you all the time i earned that laugh at something black people who have been doing since the beginning of time probably gonna fuck the most heinous circumstances. We've always he's laughed. We've always saying bryan joy. That's it but i just i guess all i'm saying is i. It's getting eating harder. You enable ryan having a good old time today. We were having a fight. No no no not then you didn't watch the panel on the panel we had we we had a little battle about <hes> scare scary moocher and whether or not like what he did was good enough <hes> and she compared him and nikki haley to her and i thought i'm sorry like you're the people sham they're not. They don't get applause because nikki haley tweeted. This is too far. I don't know if i grew date will. I'm sure you don't because you like to fight for fighting sake no. I'm just saying like i can't. I can't knock somebody whenever they come around like everybody wigs. I'm knockin doc in bulldozing kicking. You don't get to come and then it's not really a true come around. He's not really willing to say he's racist. She's not willing to say like she had a comment comment on his post of our elijah cummings congressman cummings who is like man not just like a hero to me like when i tell you like if there was embodiment went of christ likeness on earth it is mr coming. He is such a good human being and to watch him be verbally assaulted in harass grass in the way that donald trump has done and then encourage his imson followers to do the same. It's been so destructive to watch especially knowing that like you know mister cummings things is he's had a challenging last year so when people hear you say that and be like okay so why is the whole totality of baltimore not reflecting this christ leg individual because first of all all of what's going on in baltimore does not lay at the feet of congressman cummings like if we're if we're willing to put all of that responsibility on mister cummings than we have to put all the responsibility onto billions on the house and all the responsibility on the senate. I'm not willing to say that every city that has a bad area or areas that are struggling is at is belongs at the feet feet of the black for the one black elected official. That's serves their number. That's been regulated to the city even earmarked to the city or designated anymore no yeah. I don't know what you just said. You don't get regulated money to the city. I don't know what you mean. Golden the federal government gives money to the city of baltimore. I mean the federal government. Can oh give resources to different areas but a lot of times there are resources that that are designated to specific things and i think what we really have to look at is why in in every urban community is it is it in a situation whereas dilapidated piss poor not up to par until folks ready to gentrify it that is a <hes> a a symptom of racism and systemic oppression more than it is a black politician or the democrats. They like to demonize democrats not doing their part. There are more poor dilapidated trash areas in republican districts all throughout the south those same same piss poor white people who think trump's gonna change their life. I don't mean his talking like piss poor like they're very very out. I guess so poor but for whatever reason they i believe donald trump is going to come save them. No i agreed at my only point is like it's not just up to this one elected official. It is about people working together. Took create opportunity in these spaces even like the stuff you were working on with opportunities. If we're not careful those are gonna be vacations. Already district cases yeah. So what i'm saying is people who have the money to come in saying it so happens is we're mad at the victim for not having the resources. This is the tools the capacity the you know the spiritual know how the wherewithal to pull themselves up by bootstraps to don't exist because they don't have boots and the truth truth to the matter is it's always the goddamn white man's fault as much as you may not want to admit it all of this system oppression mars do this today last completely dragged when i don't disagree with you necessarily the only thing that i will say. I don't think that i will say like it's not every single single. White person is the function of of america how we were brought here from atlanta and brought here the intention so whether we're talking about the the institution of slavery or we're talking about the institution of jim crow or we're talking about racially restrictive covenants in housing or we're talking about mass incarceration or the war on drugs or the combination. They're all of those things come from a system that always wanted to treat us as free labor not fully human. I get that and what i don't understand is how the breakdown happens. Logically people's minds when it's like okay all of that is true true until it comes to a black area has a black elected official. Come on i'm also not willing to let every elected official off the hook. I'm not because there are some instances where there are people who could finally see it as an opportunity where they made it and they've never had a six figure job in their life right and and they get they get bribed or you know taking advantage of for for coke. We've seen in some places or you know for some low level. Check you know and that's not cool either but that's also a function of systemic oppression. Why would why are why would why would we be so easily by what happened. It happened on the continent to agree with you. People easily distracted <hes> and i know it's been a while since that allows your company's donald trump thing happened but has it been ella. Is he like michigan michigan by doing crazy every day because he's smart no. He's crazy smart. He knows how to manipulate the media. Now allows cummings was calling him out about the kids yeah but that's not all he was doing you know that he has the oversight and government reform committee oversees the entire federal government and so they have have subpoena power into every federal agency and once the <hes> the muller report was over it really turned to the house of representatives like okay now how you can really focus on what the report says and go forth your investigation on tax returns on this on that and he i think he really got scared so the kids was one thing but i think he it was like all right well. That's awful. Do you gotta learn to stay on message. If that is what allows eight i'm no you did not everybody pivoted immediately from the kids in the cage and everything else to go baltimore mr recipes from their committee. The committee's not distracted is the problem you got to keep the court of public opinion on message because motherfuckers is so so simple love. It and that's what donald trump does so well. He's always able to move. The goalpost may reason that they can impeach. Donald trump is because quarterback opinion out of the race l. about they wanted me to go up there and do that whole sign. Dance view is any real favors. We're not doing ourselves any room and i think that that i think the issue is when you are people who <hes> your economic power is an intact. Your political power isn't intact your spiritual power. Emotional power isn't even intact the first line is respect and so when you're talking about what he said about mister cummings or what he said about congresswoman waters or what he said about andrew when he was running. You're talking about communities where people came out of those spaces at all you have. Is your family your self respecting that love you gonna go for it. We never we're getting there from these these these white people no. I'm saying like they're going to protect that. It's like at least you're not gonna take this for me. They don't respect you any understanding what take comment though and i'm not gonna say anything to you could say your up monday. You know what i'm saying like morgan against state university is in the bottom but i would have said to you the president help since thoroughly mr coming said respond to you say that you go back to what your you may not check his press releases. That's exactly what we're doing then they sent somebody and then they sent somebody in his house to break into. I don't know maybe they might have been funny. I think i you take out the setup. What let me show you his wife's facebook page. This man the man that broke into convenient no the man that broke into mister cummings house parked his bike inside the foyer of the house you mean i'm not to say these pictures. I can't see his face and it has some symbol on the head. It's weird. It's not like a sports. Teams hat a wondered about that. I wonder what the conspiracy theories but we don't be conspiracy theories for no reason we we conspiracy facts subordinates just because actual actual conspiracies have happened to us in our lives. That's what i'm telling. You like. This wasn't oh game. This dude is scared of mister cummings. He's scared of congresswoman waters. He's scared of of the judiciary committee and jerry nadler. He's scared of these folks this hour's boy. You ain't no good to twenty seven dollars. You can't even put up a facebook page. I wasn't logged into it doesn't matter about the russian stuff. You don't know how to let them by. All these ads targeted black people. Have you seen the great read heck here. Go right here. Look this. No heroes want to see that. We were talking about this. That's the dues had look at that breaking ladies walk in he's walking and look how he got his bike. Rider chiller. Okay popping william meek mill carefully his with his take. Mr started screaming when he saw the man on the camera now comey. Was there and his wife were there. What are we saw screaming for grad a gun because he does a shooting star screaming symbol on his hat though ordeal so what did he just broken. I can't even tell what color us exactly. I'm gonna be honest with you. I'm honest with aggression might be the same people will take jesse. Excuse me i'm not doing this this. I'm not listen apologize apologize for the people that attacked us. He's got accused for him. Beautiful nigeria is not this is not fake they have this on camera and it's fake on a lousy coming for the catching catching found him really this is what i'm trying to tell you these easy to blend in baltimore automo- bike though he's a black to black yeah. I wonder how he got in the house. He picked the lock. I'm not sure i don't know all those. That's weird weird to me but it's description. Mortar story is listening and i sat there happened to mr comey's coal cool but we gotta stay focused on the message what was mister cummings original message and what made donald trump pivot or the original message from mr convicts it was about the children child separations operations and how this is not normal folk you gotta we we have to stay focused. I can take you to the oversight and government reform page. They've not deterred from them and here's the thing i i agree with you. One hundred percent but average person the average american does not read that kind of shit but that's not mister cummings is not but mister cummings and everybody else in those those positions have to learn how to communicate and send out messaging heater louganis page news. The last press release that went out here was on august ninth and it was a joint a press release from chairman cummings thomson and raskin request information on immigration enforcement actions in mississippi august ninth. You politics is his date the better the bottom line is like this is just to show you they wrote a letter requesting information on the is not going to be received by people. You know why you are such a good communicator gator. He was received by people. Did you know coke foods plant. A coke food flint coke brothers foods. What would the coke for. What are you talking about. Is this to cold weather's. What are you talking about. Rates happen at a coke food's place. What are you talking about raising talking about the ice rates in mississippi food plant. They can plant oh awhile. I'm out to look because if that's if that's why i told you that back in the day when they did these raids it was the owners that got ariffin hot. Oh it's not affiliated with cobra how convenient but anyway the <music> owners were targeted. It was the workers. That's what's wrong with this. So what was the owners got fined thought is was all about rounding up illegal immigrants that is how this president has made their work. It has happened before but he used to be focused on people who are at least engaged in criminal activity now they're just targeting like whatever we can do two separate kids from their parents to make life miserable for immigrants. We're going to do that now. They're targeting people who are have legal status lettuce but they have used food stamps or they use wick and now it's like oh because you've done this. We're not going to give you permanent status. Are they trying to offer him to come to this country. They don't want them to feel like this is the american dream and it's not win ever been the american saying think about some of these people who oh come from these countries. They're running. They're running from things right so they think this is the american dream. Donald trump is trying to make its way. It's their american nightmare today like you know what i'm gonna. Stay where i'm at could at least stay while i won't be separated from my family. I really think it was going on that is what's going on but the other thing that's bad about it is. He has a preference for rich people coming here so he's go with rich. That's why america is gonna look like back to the future to win. Both biff had the sports almanac and biff area of town was beautiful and everything else was fucked up. That's how america's gonna look very very very soon. In the next six or seven i would ridicule you in the past for these analogies what i think you're probably right if that if we allow this to continue to happen and that's the other thing. What do you think we have to do to get people to understand what their real power is. We have to push push. The house and we you have to push is crunchy like christmas trees. Did you hear that attract dry. Shit have tracking ear assign. This is not a tram. Stop trying to make fake baby news by using jared baby here this no. I didn't even slick this down johnny needed. Why are you so much joe because it needed to stay in place for my point out for <hes> didi conn and then i haven't take chain sunday is on tuesday so i lost my. This is really something about joe. It wasn't about joe what the fuck was my pleasure move. I maybe we need. Maybe it'll come back was to devote myself. No less. I want to know what's the last thing that was super good. I know what you said it as you said. What do we have to do. That was a good question who engaged in so that they don't. They know their real power like they know that we can change this. We don't have to accept that number. One first of all democrats have to realize that the language of politics today. Why does it have to be a democrat republican. They figured it out. Donald trump is talking to these people who in a nice simple way in people buying into nice. It's just simply simple. Democrats have to learn how to talk simple democrats straight with people that are not being honest about about <hes> our mother fucking democracy because democracy is ice. I see it is date until they figure out well. Let let me ask you this russian interference. So did you ever think it was a life. I'm not really for marginalized people who really really for women that really for spanish people but that's why america they're gonna be a afraid because you've got these white people who is always worked for. It's gonna be baffoni. Twenty twenty like i go out and vote for some liberal in you know that vote doesn't count it gets depressed as a descendant. The head of the senate intel committee who who stepped down. I can remember the name of the band coach now. Dan now nasty committee the intel <hes> <hes> no. It's not the committee. You're talking about the c._i._a. Did i wanted to see the sorry go erector national intelligent. He stepped down. He said that russians have the ability to change votes. Lobby know that happened and why aren't people making more noise about that. Why are you lying to people telling them. Go vote in twenty twenty but you know our lexicon understand is the director of national intelligence that is very different from the house or the senate senate intel committees director of national intelligence yes but why are we making this more of a big deal. Why are we letting in horry saying the just the democrats but i think of power like they're saying this. Here's one thing that i think is is kind of not fair to them. There was a bill that <hes> it was the first bill introduced when congress came back and democrats took over it was h._r. One it was <hes>. I think it's for the people act the for the people act. I'm just double checking the for the people for the people active twenty nine thousand nine hundred h._r. One isn't election security bill. The democrats kratz pass this bill in march <hes> two hundred and thirty four two hundred ninety three votes in the senate has yet to take that bill up along with any the other election security measure the person standing away of considering those bills yes which may call in moscow mitch now they should because after robert muller said i would say we're not making a big enough deal. I don't think that's fair and i'll tell you whether or not i agree with you that they're not being super courageous or telling it exactly like it is but they have definitely introduced bills and at least pass some bills on the house side mitch mcconnell could easily take robert muller says russian interference in the director of national intelligence says russian interference in their mitch mcconnell jumps out there and blackston electric security after getting all this information that not a red flag. The plant that i that i think is important. <hes> <hes> is that i don't like that. This is not being talked about as honestly as it shows all. I'm saying i agree to is nobody said anything the cory booker here's the thing i don't understand how right now when i'm agreeing with you is still sounds like fight content does no no people just thinking sounds like a place. The sounds like i don't have the energy today twenty eight hours but don't you think it's crazy that you had to day the democratic debates only one candidate boarded up cord book is the only person even remotely talked about russia when you brought it up and i think that i think the question becomes where what are the ways that we can talk about this that are responsible <hes> but still honest and to me it is as a black woman who believes in voting has built my career on politics. I understand when black folks say. This has never been a democracy <hes>. I also understand how the she could get way. Worse like it may not have ever been a democracy to us as we would have have liked it to be but it could be closer to authorities or authority in regime that we've seen yes and yes you're buzzword for the day and for the month should be the buzzword the whole administration like we shouldn't be talking about anything else. This is business pugh fascism at its finest setup. I think if i don't want to just identify the problem problem. I want to move towards a solution. They pass them type of electric security bill. Who's gonna make mitch mcconnell do that and especially if people feel like they're so apathetic their votes don't no matter their voices don't matter he's not gonna listen anyway. What has happened these people. They move when they see the general public moving promise you if you can raise enough hell on social media if you know a mis mis presently congressman proudly was going to give out mitch mcconnell's number. They didn't have an honor this call the switchboard. It is two zero two two two four three one to raise holy hell from the american. Here's my question and i'm this is where this is my conundrum being dead ass serious. There's only so much fight. I have in me and to me right now. I don't know whether my emphasis in my energy should be placed on on fighting russia and this faux democracy that we currently have or should it be fighting for our folks and moving us tour were to positions of power and then we'll get to that both are like so imminent in so urgent and i just feel like i don't have the bandwidth to to fight votes so if you allow this guy to steal another election to don't wanna do that either they stole andrews and stacy's never black people will never knew that yes you're right but you name two great examples of two people who i'm power stolen. I like like lanark. I'm telling you i am confident. There's nothing you can tell me that andrew gillum and that stacey abrams did not win their race. There's nothing nothing you can tell us what happened in. I'm confident and i wanted to get the alexis. Thrash interfered. There's proof of it not only did. They did that happen at least in florida. I don't know that i let me see if they're not only that happened. There campaign started getting investigating so i designed so exactly. What do you think that donald trump donald. Trump has already trying to set the stage to go. After all his political enemies he sorta guy re tweet a conspiracy theory about bill clinton getting teams guy kids who knows what he's doing on purpose and he's going to have william bar and all of those guys in the d._o._j. Investigating all his political enemies and then he's gonna start getting political enemies arrested you know why because he got more courage and more balls than anybody on on the left because that's what the left should be doing the his ass. I just don't understand now. We're talking about balls the by net fowley. Let's talk about something joyous. Wait a minute look up yeah kirmani interior mid-term. You'll better overload yeah. Well there scissors fear of it. I know for sure her that. Are you listening. I know for sure florida and i don't see anything like they say. They suspect i sure they they found it in florida. No fans russians targeted election websites in florida georgia and seattle iowa. I know this has two thousand sixteen but if they did it in two thousand sixteen they did in twenty two. I promise you they found it in two thousand eighteen and floors either way we know that votes were suppressed and somebody's got brian and kim georgia didn't he wasn't he didn't he purged hundreds of thousands of voters and there were fifty three fifty something thousand <hes> up to election day the the hadn't been told one way or the other so my point is why do we keep telling people to run out there and go vote and we notified his fixed. Let's tell them to fight his fix or they don't get discouraged. People have to note in two thousand sixteen they went out and they voted for hillary clinton. Shed four million more popular vote and it was rushing in nine times out of ten. She probably won but the election action with dolan from her. We need to know that we don't have this curry okay but i think like here's the thing like what would to me was more discouraging then you knowing that like black folks should be the main ones that understand. This game has always been stacked against us a different no no no this. This is kind of not different. I'm saying that if you know the game has always been stacked against us and we've always our ancestors are direct. You know the folks who were direct descendants of our grandparents grandparents great aunts and uncles and all them parents. They've always figured out a way. We owe it to them to figure out a we owe it to the future to figure out it wasn't argued. I just feel like oh well. It's fix so i just i'm going to sit at home. I think we need to we ask not smart. We all need to mobilize but they have the people the powers that be have to make the general public aware of what we're up against that i think they're not going to do that and so this is my question going back to from a second ago of we know that the elected officials right and just understand if they fear that telling the voters means voter apathy that ah directly impacts their jobs voters. Don't turn out. They don't necessarily win there elections. I get that they have do they have a conflict of interest in telling the absolute truth so that means that people who are advocates and activists and otherwise inform needs to share that information and say. We're not telling you this to sit at home. We're telling you this. You know what we're up against. And why are you need to call mitch mcconnell why those bills need to pass the senate why these bills to be passed on the state and local level right to me. It's the exact opposite but i understand why elected officials shows would feel conflicted about it. I'm not saying right but i get their perspective. Silence is never work though no it's terrible it's just it's almost as <hes> as bad as being the predator or the oppressor yourself because i i think i think silence is exactly that is dangerous and i think that <hes> they keep saying how black people like. We're gonna be deciding factor in the election in two thousand twenty and you see how donald trump right now is targeting certain black media outlets. I think i read a article. In the new york times with guy was seeing he saw donald trump add on a breakfast club interview right and if that is what he's doing because i think i read in the time that he said he wants to target black men between the ages of eighteen and thirty five or something like that and they're going to be using the fact that hey you know the first step act and lowest unemployment rate among black people. We know that he's targeting us in that way. What happens whenever black people have that type of collective how find a way to destroy whether it's black wall street whatever the fucking whenever we unify and his group operation they find a way to describe. That's why i think they're going so hard. In two thousand twenty the suppress all motherfucking votes yeah well. It didn't start with twenty twenty started as soon as they realize barack obama could win right after that two thousand eight election shen there were immediate steps being taken for voter i._d. Cutting back on early voting days getting rid of absentee mailing a lot of states. There were over a hundred and fourteen the bills by the time we got the other side at twenty ten which is the same time that the tea party was percolating and i remember at the time saying percolator percolate. I believe they can't stand you partying around the time it started bubbling up the people were like you know oh it's not racist and this is about about fiscal conservatism you know and all that and they wanted to ensure that they had healthcare that made sense that was always a racist thing right like i remember temper walking my boss at the time of the steps to vote for <hes> the healthcare act and maxine clear before them but i was ever before i was working we hear was it twenty seven hundred twenty ten. It was twenty ten but i remember her. I wasn't working for all the members yet but i was working for <hes> yeah i was working for <hes> congressman thompson on the homeland security committee but anyway there were other members in at the a time like walking with them hearing about <hes> a white man spitting on congressman cleaver who became our boss leader. They were one of the capitol steps to go vote for the health correct and a white man spit on him and yes. They were going to vote for obamacare jesse jackson junior. I think andre carson was there. John lewis was there and congressman thomson. You gotta foot people up. No no no. You're missing the point. The point is the tea party was all about racism voter i._d. Bills in voter suppression measures were always about racism. The supreme court decision jin in two thousand thirteen to gut the voting rights. Act was always about racism was is about the president votes one too. Many white republicans have slipped up and said it. You know somebody from the tea party the spit on me. We didn't knock they fucking ass out spilt that t- all over the house steps in and having a leonard there is not going to cognac party okay so now now we need there. We all need their day-to-day. I love their. What's the last good thing you learned about in therapy last time i was in therapy. I was crying my my ass off what happened. <hes> the reason outcry on my ass off is because it dawned on me at my father never taught me anything that i can use now in important to be in black yeah yeah he definitely did but i'm just talking about. I guess <hes> i guess i won't say being a man 'cause i don't i don't. I don't really know what the definition of being being a man is but i'm talking about like the little things like learning how to change a tire. You know my dad never told me to change a tire. You're woman enough. My the one time i watched my dad changed. Try to change tire. He was throwing the tire all into bush's. I remember being about five or six doing all numbers. We got a flat tire on a road trip and and i remember asking my mom mommy. Why is daddy playing ball with that. You know what he was frustrated what he was doing. I thought he was having fun and i when invited to the party my my daddy would chastise me for things that he never taught me about so you got my dad's friends a lot of time. When i was growing up he spent a lotta time. I'm in rehab. You know <hes> he always on mental health issues you know he. He told me last november that he'd tried to kill himself like thirty years ago but he didn't because i'm the only kids you had at the time. <hes> you know he was on ten to twelve different medications throughout his life. He was going to therapy two and three times a week so he was dealing with mental health issues plus he was dan would with drugs alcohol so i remember going to rehab and stuff when i was young but i'm talking about. I got i got older and the streets kinda raised me right in and i was out there selling crack while aland stuff like it was just little things i didn't know how to think about like <hes> one time when i when i was selling crack my my my dude god bless today his name's derail his father god god bless today had called the house and was like yo. You know there's a lot of sales coming over here right now. You need to come through the can. We come over. There and i'm like yeah. I remember my daddy getting so mad at me saying if you don't handle been this better than negative fuck out my house right and i'm like well it the lease you could tell me out of jokes at the very least yeah my dad's loads as oh drugs like the actually rated my mother's house they came mother's house and knock on the door and my mother signed the warned the search the house because they had this whole they thought my dad was some type of kingpin and they stopped him leaving <hes> sectionals cornucopia where a lot of my family lives and the ad like less than a grammar kokin is and then they came to my mom house and search my mom house and they found less than a grandma residue on a bag in my trash cans and he took me to me me and my dad in jail for like a weekend for less than a grandma cocaine so yeah he did his thing but my my point is in therapy and i'm crying. I just started aww balling. I'll ever taught me anything worthwhile. Don't even realize it's lessons that i learned from him but he was the same man that handed me message to the black man i buy lottery mohammed handed me autobiography malcolm x. He you know but i mean i didn't really learn anything directly from him. It's not like how i am with my my children with me and my older daughter riding around and explaining things to her and we're actually talking talking to her about communicating with people and i'm telling her books. I want her to read books. He's read now like it's different like we in africa together. We nelson mandela's part-time museum like it's it's different amac. I'm actively always instilling things and my children. I don't think that he did that for me. Do you think that he did the best he could. He did the best he could and and by the way that is another thing i realized over the past couple of years i'm going to therapy and then him being open with me about his mental health struggles and just me realizing like managed to do battling drugs by alcohol. You know mental health issue like he. He did the best he absolutely positively could so so given that doesn't mean you don't have the right to be sad about your experience. Can you release him and be able to build a like. I'm gonna say released. I let him go but like not harbor any resentment and not be unforgiving towards him not be bitter about what he didn't know. It comes and goes from haringey. How do you work on staying out of resentment and bitterness <unk> was the practice. I don't know because i don't i don't i. I try not to think about it. I suppress but then it comes out in therapy <hes> and when i talked to him i love him but it's mostly allegiance business but then i start thinking about the future and i started thinking about dan we'll what about when he's not here. How will i feel you know but then i have. I have unreasonable weird that resentment when we all vacation in this like my mom is with me. Come on mommy mama passport and i'm like evy sold dope. The firm. I dad was still together and i could you know so both for him to kinda love that i show my mom. You know what i'm saying like like i can't help but think about that type episode which is one of the reasons that you know i am a big proponent of black men not cheating like <hes> not only because my wife don't kill me but also because i see how that fucks up the family dynamic and we we always point the finger that systemic oppression and marginalization in that all of that is true to all that all that played a part in breaking up the black the black family but and why the headed household in many answers but we we don't wanna i don't wanna be a part of that yeah i. I don't want to contribute to that. You break this. I i wanna break the cycle dysfunctional black family like i think when i see a black family is dope when i see a black husband black white they're black kids. That's strong and i think we need that. You know so i like. That's when i saw my father did to my mom and how that messed up bar family family. At least i think he did. I just don't want to. I don't want any parts of that's all that doesn't make me fucking so that when i'm in therapy so keep working on so have you had it with the last thing i learned that that is the root. My father is the root of ninety five percent of all bullshit as hard. I e is you gotta think about the things he did. Teach me things he did. Teach me. It's just just a bunch of shit. I'm trying to unlearn up saying i have done a certain. He heard this. I don't know i mean me and my father. My father said things to me like yo. You haven't one woman is after. He says things like that to me. But now i remember when you when confronted you about cheating on my mom you look in the eye and and you told me you only got one woman. That's like the only got one woman when you get older. You understand but i i wonder if let me just let me put it to you this way as your sister. You have grown so much in the last year. You have grown so much more in the last two years <music> when you consider the trajectory of your growth over the last few years. Why would you not allow your dad the same ban within grace race to grow himself because you've got to get work. Maybe he's growing. It may not be your pace but for him to say one thing to you about cheating back in the day and now acknowledge something completely different that is growth and that doesn't mean that what he said was damaging. Can you release the thing from before or an honor where he is now for your own good. I grew to love my father my father. I think he's a great man. Can i just don't think he was a great father. Definitely will integrate husband to my mother you know but i love him as a human being and it's just like when i see him. I see so much of me in him that it actually frightened yeah 'cause i'm like i could. I could go either way right so i just want him. I want all men to do the work. You got to do the work you gotta do the work to be a better human being period that is i think the thing that i'm trying to push back. If i knew on is the fact that it sounds like he has done some work back they even told you that he battled with depression true right that means that he had to come undetermined at some point with semi his cousin who killed himself over on thanksgiving day he was i didn't i didn't know i'm not going to say because he was young. He's twenty six years old but he used to to work with my father. All the time. My father would give my job to do take him to work stuff like that and <hes> that was the fourth time he tried to kill himself. He shot himself in his stomach. Once he took pills wants to cut his wrist once and shot himself in the mouth on thanksgiving day and killed himself and between that and my last book which was shook one was all about depression yeah that that's what made my father have. That conversation with that guy is a form of growth and i think that i'm just saying like the the thing that i don't want you to rob. Rob yourself of is <hes> the the places of gratitude you have for your dad so that you can appreciate growth. It may not be we at your pace. It may not be the type of growth you wanna see you may resent him still read some of the things that you're having to unlearn but i dare you to shit some of the resentment mint so that you can really release that stuff because what it sounds like the one thing i have been learning therapies about mirrors and how people are in our lives to mir behavior for us wrestle we can get rid of it <hes> and sometimes it's an inverted mirror. <hes> inverted mirror is it's. It's a perversion of who you are not reverted in and like you know the kids but it's just it's an off version of yourself and so they're there to highlight certain inadequacies in in ourselves our certain weaknesses this is in ourselves and so your dad is probably manifesting some aspect of that and is triggering for you but the reason why is triggering for you is because there's something in you you still that it that is activating that it's registering with that you have to shit. That's not his responsibility but that's honestly that's just being a that's his being a young young more but that's just being a black man in hip hop culture but i'm telling you i've been telling you that i think you should write him. A letter a long time. I would love to write a millennial but man oh man what don't read that's not true you think he went read your letter. I don't no no you think he didn't read your book. He deary do come on man. He will read your letter and i bet you there something deep down. I'm for him. That wants to get that relationship when you said that to me decide. When you talk about still fighting things like going back hoe shit right on the leading gene minds aid why. I don't know what that's okay. Stop screaming is triggering for you. Why because what i said earlier that goes back got to be in like a black man in hip hop. I was raised in a certain era. I was raised in the deny there my dear papa i. That's i mean you have shack. Who did songs like you know. Biological didn't bother talking about his father and stuff like that but it still is as easy as it is for me to be vulnerable now. It's still just hoffman well. Let me put it this way. The very behavior you want your daughters to <hes> exit is their behavior that you have to demonstrate yourself but is easier for women to do that. That's that's ridiculous. It's ridiculous. The women are more loving more nurturing more caring known. What you're talking about is an over generalization. I think generally early that can be the case but i think that i'm in a lot of ways more guarded than a lot of female friends and i've had to do a lot of work to shed that a lot of it just came from trauma <hes> triggered and so i put a guard up so i wouldn't be hurt. 'cause i'm super sensitive but i know a lot of sensitive boys and men but they were told that wasn't okay. You're sensitive. The reason why you're sobbing in therapy about your dad is because deep down is hurt. You're not mad at him. You're hurt or and so it's just like okay the way later resolve this hurt so it does not pass onto your daughter's is to deal with it and i'm the reason why i recommend it a letters because i gyro my dad letter because that conversation is still your dad. You don't want to have a fear in you. Don't you don't wanna for. I didn't wanna forget stuff so i wanted to read him. Everything so i wrote the letter in an r. rated outlaw so we can talk doc through it and so that have to be your method but what i'm saying is i know you well enough reason why we started this podcast so so we can let people into some our phone conversations stations. This comes up enough on our phone conversations for me to say this is a block free you a you do not know what is keeping you from. You know like it could it. It could be a whole nother a whole different world out here a whole different way where you could be settled down violence in communities between black boys if they could realized realized that having this pain and talking and working through it as okay you're you're absolutely right and you'll fathers are important and i think that you know they made us. They made us believe that black fathers. We're so not necessarily to the point where we started the buy into that a little bit like you'd think about how many men were just forced to be men on their own. Their fathers weren't around how many women didn't to have that love from their fathers and they had to get it from other guys so it's just like you know when you become a father is just like the i want to be a better father than your father. Louis was and especially you like you want to be the best at everything you touch so that's not a surprise to me that you want to be the best that i would implore you to also be the the best son not just to your mamba to your to even if you feel like he doesn't deserve it because if you can extend yourself in that way you being able to be vulnerable in this regard will only only free you up. I will also say. I don't know if this is true but this is what's on my heart. You don't have <hes> biological sons. That doesn't mean you don't have any in the community. There are people young boys every day who listen to you on breakfast club who are using the words that you share as fatherly advice what what if you broke through this other barrier with your dad and you could go into communities and train them up in other ways to be better men to be better fathers to be better brothers and insci- that might be that might be why you don't have no boys because you got a whole hundreds of them. You know out here that are looking for guidance. I mean that's what on my father told me about the mental health issues he was dealing with. It helped me know that i was on the right path because he was honest would be about that and i get that all the time. I get these brothers that run up on me and be like yo vulnerable. I see what i'm saying just because you're the sun doesn't mean that you're not the leader you non. I mean like just because you're the sun doesn't mean that you're not the leader. There may be tools that you're getting in therapy that your dad never had the privilege to be exposed to. That's true yeah we we are the first generation that have the luxury of healing that i know like back in the day good time they'll scratching survive and we are thriving can't heal <music> our present our future. If we don't pass we're carrying that trauma around and his gonna surface as because what happens is you know how like you <hes> <hes>. Let's say you bake a cake in his burnt and you just put frosting alright. You know what i mean you layer the frost in over it because at frost and tastes good but it sooner or later somebody's gonna bite into the edge of the burnt. Ask your you can't get past that like you have to uncover that you know what i mean like. There's nothing beautiful or that. Nothing that tastes good that you became code on top of that you know what i mean like putting icing on dog shit we're not burnt cake and that's fine even worse jewish of gifts for cry so you learn mirroring and therapy yeah and i learned <hes> that the root of a bunch of my bushes my do you wanna know one other one. That's more vulnerable <music>. I'm i'm scared of this one. I went to this forum. Call landmark in this forum. It was a form of therapy but it also triggered me a really got on my nerves but i learned a like. I have pages of notes from landmark. I think you should do it by the way but in landmark they didn't say at eric they deal with this concept car rackets where it's like the back and forth that did you go through with people all the time as you say. I wanna be vulnerable okay so there is this moment we're like lists out these different rackets that you have like you know. You're trying to make somebody wrong. You're trying to win this argument. You're trying to and i was like i do every single one of those and then there was this moment 'cause i. I think i've talked to you about this too. There's addiction in my family like your runs deep not necessarily my immediate family but like alcoholism drugs like all of the gambling so i was sitting there. I'm like oh shit. I haven't had takes into being right like the the the whatever ever the thing that the journal in rush like when i went to is when somebody says your alley that's real is like crazy. That'll never working relationship by the way i'm going to be an honor. That will never work between release it anyway. The point is we're going t._v. But not i don't i will well. Maybe it does manifest itself in early ships but i think that was so crazy is i can think of the moments where my dad is. You right baby and i'm like yes. You know what i mean like. There are these moments and hearing that is like i won and it it kind of goes. There's a net. We don't have time for this but because i'm gonna there's another layer to it which is take this image of perfection which was also talked about so it feeds into that me being right means is closer to perfection image right but the right thing what was a breakthrough for me in landmark and then subsequently kinda just working through it. I'm not done. This is going to be hard. When i've been being right as hell for thirty nine years it was the question. Would i rather be right happy. No what what i rather be right or make the person whole and if the compromise is winning the argument so that you can be wounded or tabling argument so that you can be hall. It could be a part of your healing. I would rather that being right is part of making that person like you might be with her. It's the method right like it doesn't have to be a tear down or a takedown or like you know winning at all costs which is really my thing like it would just be like bulldoze into prove this thing and the outcome midst of it. Is people think you got asshole. Tendencies or people thinking like your shirt. People thinking you know what i mean. It doesn't mean that i'm never going to win. An argument again are being on a debate into on c._n._n. But i think the ultimate thing is it can't be winning argument at all costs you one of the forty powell it is marina two. He is never a never on. I don't wanna misquoting because this is a good one. Somebody can learn from this never win. Yep it is laud nine nine win through actions never through argument and it says any momentary tribe you think you have gained through argument is really a pirate victory. The the resentment ill-will you stir up its stronger and last longer than any momentary change of opinion. It is much more powerful to get others to agree with you to your actions without saying a word demonstrate. Do not that word explicit explication explication. I'm not going to be right right now. Yes wow so. I i haven't read forty power when when i first heard of this book. I was scared of it. <hes> i heard about allows superstar like that sound sounds like i'm trickery tricking me but i wanna read this. I mean i've read it a christian now. It's not a bad book. I mean isn't that a great book. Actually it's like anything else you take it in. You don't have to live by well. That's the same information like i feel like. I learn with landmark but i'm like i really want to exercise that because it also you know it gets taxing going back and forth with people they get on my nerves. I'm probably getting on people's nerves in my beyond. My owners drained after that and nothing happened. Nothing acting was really accomplished. Never work relationships because when you're a relationships in your arguing like me just going back and forth. I gotta say to myself sometime. Don't wanna be right. It'd be happy you could just because i feel right domain. I am right yeah. You know what i'm saying. I mean dead wrong but she might just say fuck it or i might just say fuck it but nothing nothing got accomplish. Now we just sit around the house pouting and each other all day until one of us comes over which usually means like. I'm sorry i apologize. I normally mark you are you are normal lot and i get. I get upset at this. Small state not even upset. He was the worst i was down in mexico and i told you i was in mexico and every day you sent me something that you're upset about. In the moment trying she will look at these three that you just wanted to roy story i realize about with my wife went to argue good. I'm never i don't. I don't get mad at her. I'm not set. I'm not mad. I just be hurt. The hearts my fucking field this is is what i'm trying to tell you about your day. You're not mad at him but you're hurt and you have to have give yourself. Permission to say is okay to be hurt is not that you're darren less of a man you're not you're sensitive like every other human being now deal with it. We really had a cockroach theo moment today how cockroach i was tired higher salaries like oh my god there was a copy to be show referenced israel aunty uncle analogy so only a certain age do. Do you understand this but we was. Oh so we end yes to you the airport <hes> and i don't have free checking than have pre check global entry. 'cause i got felonies they. They won't give it to me which is crazy to me because i don't understand why it got kidnapping. Charge revoke is that you know. I have somebody we can call i never went to. I did it online line. If i if i think about it went down there now you when you go online you have to go in for an interview. Did they give you an interval view. It was like no because you had to type in all your felony even though so oh everybody in my family in my astronaut when you if it gets rejected. Can you send it to me. We have some people we can yes so you know i get to the we you did <hes>. We're leaving l. a. and where the line i can go through clear. She can go through pre check but you know she got clear clears that you need both tehran preach echostar agree. You also need greeters yes but we theorised for safety. We usually just go through together. Regardless of what is we got but it was early morning. She was tied so i'm just thinking she's behind me. Choose i appreciate you go to clear and i i didn't pay eight at no attention so i just see her walk into pre checked and then i'm in clear and then like the line was still kinda long so it took me a little not a long time but a little while to get through when she was already through and i just i held as she until we got on the plane it we got on that plane. I said i really like the fact that you went through pre check. All oh my god. I hurt my feelings. I just felt abandoned for ten minutes. Yes okay. I'm sorry i did what is that what is that from. What is that. John doe. No left in the store when you're a little kid. I don't know but but like like i'm saying like i said it's not things that make me upset. Nothing that made me mad. I can be genuinely hurt okay. Did i need you to some some of those. Can you let them go without having me to confront him. I can't you just release it. We need to schedule yachting. We wouldn't have muffins. We got on the plane. I was hurt. I was i was like what was your what was your releasing practice. Where did you do. I just wanted to say nothing and then she wasn't really thinking about it because it's early in the morning so she's like tired like you know we understand understand what too late i thought you went to clear and i was like i even bought it up again last night and it's too late eighty nine letting also say ask you something now once when you went to that pre check oh my god. I wasn't through that lines. You didn't think not once like you're such a baby. I wanted like to counsel you through this but i can't this is ridiculous for being a sucker. You know you're being a baby a._b._c.'s brad and here's the thing like they're definitely moments where some of this makes this is actually a little nuts and you have to let it go like it's not good for. My mom. Tells me this all the time so this will show you where we might marry each other. My mom is like angela. Make big things small and small things nothing ooh my homegirl longer mother brittle says don't major minors that too but like you really held it for two days and brought it up twice good use of your timer justice ninety nine good time you could use the all time <hes> i need to leave oh no c._n._n. C._n._n. Somebody's all black panel show. I don't know about a show so we did that was on page sixty two new post because page six is definitely where you get your fabulous april ryan andrew gillum bakari sellers. We did another panel now this morning on new day exactly. Is there really a show happening. They have not talked to us about any show. I'm not received any calls. Not any emails from from people wanna see black people on c._n._n. Altogether in the show slap probably clearly some casinos keeping together got flying in from different places like say like the panel. I promise you i haven't heard anything. I wouldn't lie to you. You want that to happen. I think that <hes> i wouldn't mind it. I think that what i care the most about what is that black people are reflected on every major network in spaces where we control the content. There's you know blackeyed peas and creatives and and segment producers and we're creating a pathway in opening opportunities for other folks and so if we can ever be a part of that you down for that. I don't think c._n._n.'s fully grasp the concept of that. There is a different viewpoint of the world that comes from black people. You know what i think. I think that somehow when they put us all together <hes>. I think that was an interesting dynamic is we don't all agree. It wasn't like we were on. It was a man choir. It was different different perspectives sometime on the same view or completely divergent views and i think for black folks it was dope. 'cause we've been telling all we're not monolithic right and and i think cardi and andrew look exactly alike they don't look they're not even the same shade of black like they're not the same person who definitely gonna become from. They popped off the same gremlin all right. It's been real all right guys thank you. This is been another edition of sibling rivalry. Write a letter to your daddy. Almost think about it <music>. I'm gonna ask you about it later. I'm serious all right shoulder. Got angela ripe lenard mckelvey angela rye sibling rivalry yeah.

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"A qualcomm we believe in staying connected and you can see us wherever five g is helping transform telemedicine supporting remote education empowering mobile. Pc's the invention ages here. Learn more at qualcomm dot com slash invention age support for this podcast comes from lexus. There are many names for enthusiast. Like aficionado fashiony. Sta foodi sneaker head audio file but there's only one way to become one by going all in that's why lexus has gone all in on the sports sedan by designing the new lexus. I s because the greater the obsession the greater the reward learn more at lexus dot com slash s Hello and welcome to the daily beans for wednesday february seventeenth. Two thousand twenty one today. The cps has filed a lawsuit on behalf of representative bennie thompson. Against trump and giuliani under the ku klux klan. Act for conspiring with the proud boys and the oath keepers to prevent the certification of the election. South dakota republican governor. Kristi noem under scrutiny for using a taxpayer-funded plane to campaign fifty-seven. Republican officials are found to have participated in the insurrection. The senate homeland. Security committee scheduled the first hearing investigating the insurrection for february. Twenty third trump releases a statement slamming mitch mcconnell restaurant. johnson claims. The insurrection wasn't armed. And millions of texans are still without power and water. I may g. And i'm dana goldberg dana. I'm good. I'm good You got through the day and get so much news. There's just so much news today. I guess it's the tuesday after a bank holiday. Maybe i don't there's a lot to cover And as you could tell by the intro and We have a great show later on. I'm going to be talking to former federal prosecutor. Glenn kirschner to discuss the implications of mitch mcconnell's remarks not the one that he released today about mitch mcconnell but the his remarks following his vote to acquit donald of inciting an insurrection. It's like they're there. It's just a circular firing squad. There is now a battle for the republican party and we are watching it. Unfold and Dan you and i will be live on the stereo app This thursday at five. Pm pacific and eight pm eastern time. Were there to field questions sing songs. Have adult beverages have non alcoholic beverages. That's your thing. And just i mean you know to just chill. It's an after party. And i really enjoyed such a good time. So if you're not on the stereo app it's free they're going to ask you for your blood type social security number and they're not really but the less you some information you can say you don't want them to use it you don't get to them. You can still get on an app and then just follow a g. and myself and have a good time thursday Yeah and you can set up an account by going to stereo dot com slash alan gill and yet digi comedy is you and alison. Gila is me for those of you. Listening allison is very cute today even though it's been a challenging day so just know that. She's putting on her best day dealing with no but you are still being adorable. Taylor divorce stuff and the department of veterans affairs and claims and things. Just it's awful and everyone has been so kind on twitter to like. Do you need any help as a thank you. I worked there for over a decade. If i can't get it done the problems inherent in the system. So it's just rehashing all that old stuff that i just want to move on from and you. That sort of applies to the news today as well. So why don't we kick it off. I mean if nothing's going to make you happy if nothing else will make you. Happy is your lead story so we should probably get there. It's do it. Let's at the hot notes. Hot notes all right. So the nwa c. p. On tuesday morning filed a federal lawsuit against trump and his personal lawyer rudy claiming that they violated the nineteenth century statute called the ku klux klan. Act when they tried to prevent the certification of the election on january sixth. The civil rights organization brought the suit on behalf of representative bennie thompson. Democrat mississippi other democrats in congress including representatives. Hank johnson of georgia and bonnie watson coleman new jersey are expected to join plaintiffs in the coming weeks. That's according to the nwa. See the lawsuit. Contends that donald and rudy violated the ku klux klan act of eighteen seventy one and that statute includes protections against violent conspiracies that interfere with congress's constitutional duties. The suit also names the proud boys. The far right nationalist group and the oath keepers militia group illegal action accuses donald and rudy and the two groups of conspiring together to incite the violet ride at the capitol with the goal of preventing congress from certifying the election. It is a word for word fit to the ku klux klan. Act just with the modern day clan known as the proud boys and The oath keepers. Trump's sycophant and child support payment dodger. Jason miller. Who's been accused in the past of giving the abortion pill to a partner hidden in a smoothie says of the lawsuit quote president trump did not plan produce or organize the january sixth rally at can't even without a laughing He's goes on to say. President trump did not incite or conspire to incite violence at the capitol on january six. That's mr miller's statement on tuesday. He also added that rudy is not currently representing president trump. In any legal matters what this says to me this has to me. Rudy might be about to be indicted because in the past trump has distanced himself from people by removing them from joint defense agreements. Jd as as soon as they were about to be indicted happen with roger stone. That's how i was able to predict the day. He was going to be arrested. That's what he did with. Flynn he did it with Manafort he did it with mcgann and now he's doing it with rudy. Yep not my lawyer my lawyer anymore and backing away slowly into the shrubberies like homer simpson. So trump faces a long list of legal problems on top of his billion dollar debt including the manhattan. Da's probe of trump finances the atlanta d. a. investigation of trump's election interference the georgia secretary of state's investigation into the trump calls to ben rothlisberger. The dc attorney general's possible criminal indictment for inciting the insurrection. The new york attorney general civil suit against the trump organization and e jean carroll and summer ervices defamation lawsuits. Some good luck fucker. He's raising money for now. It's not necessarily to run in two thousand twenty four. He's got some lawyers to pay. He's got a lot of lawsuits or not pay as we know who's he gonna stiff now at least fifty seven this sad story here. Fifty seven state and local republican officials from twenty seven states. Attended the january. Sixth rally at least fifty seven Now accord- this is according to the huffington post huffpost. Almost all of them are resisting calls to resign. Meanwhile the dick heads complaining about cancel culture continued to censure republican senators representatives that voted to impeach donald. And this just in. Us homeland security committee has announced. Its first hearing into the us capitol. Insurrection failures tuesday february twenty third. They're seeking testimony from robert. Conti chief of the dc metro police department. Michael stinger former senate sergeant arms. Paul former house sergeant arms and stephen son former chief of capital police. Oh that'll be an interesting hearing. That will be really interesting hearing. I just want them together and put put the points together. We know that donald made made sure that the the cap didn't have backup. I just i want this. I want this all to come out. I want it all to come out and don't you forget the. Us senate homeland. Security committee can make criminal referrals to the department of justice. That's lovely we need to get garland in there now. This is more gripping. This comes from south. Dakota's governor kristi noem us a state airplane to shuttle hunt around the country to right wing. Political events racking up huge bills on the taxpayer dime is the gop darling. Travel to events hosted by among others. The national rifle association rifle association turning point usa and las vegas con- fat put on by the republican jewish coalition which is really interesting that is according to a flight records review by ross story which also reports no unnecessarily blue thousands on air travel by having the state airplane get her at her family home in castle. Would south dakota rather than at. The official governor's residence in pierre where the plane is actually kept. She didn't go to the plane. She made the plane come to her. Coa wrecked yeah. She's a she's a gem. No one's have air get the she actually of the airplane. Pick her up at her daughter. Cassidy's wedding allison which was held in custer state park. Can you imagine what the hell's that noise. It's just plain just plain here pick me up. Everything's cool also used it to go to her fifteen year high school reunion to show all those fuckers. Look at me now. From a legal perspective. Wrongful use of plane actually goes well beyond the ethics violation as state owned aircraft tires. Only they're only supposed to be used for official state. Business finds for improper travel can reach ten times the cost of ba flight. Which as you know is just a normal southwest airlines ticket that we'd have to pay for like this is. She's got people traveling with people's private plane. She's sitting there at her daughter's wedding. She picks up her boarding pass. And it's like dammit c. Sixty a middle seat again. Tim well best of luck to you. Christi now frigid temperatures and widespread power outages are plaguing swath texas for the third straight day on tuesday. Sending numerous residents into their own vehicles and fireplaces and shelters in desperate search of warmth more than four million homes and businesses were without power in texas on tuesday afternoon as a result of freezing temperatures and deadly winter storm. That swept the state early this week. The entire state saw temperatures below freezing during at least parts of monday. Tuesday and utilities have been knocked out or frozen over by the bitter cold leaving many without primary means of heating their homes. I guess Utility privatization sucks their ted cruz. Yip doing a fine job down there. Now lauren bogaerts said in a tweet that the democrats are to blame because of the green new deal which isn't a thing that has and doesn't exist as a law and many republicans are saying the frozen wind turbines are to blame and they put pictures of a helicopter dumping warm water and a frozen wind term. Had trouble is. That was a photo from sweden in two thousand twelve or two thousand fourteen. I can't remember but it's not texas however it's been shown bloomberg shows that the outages are due to frozen natural gas closed. Coal plants fucked up fossil fuel issues. All the refineries are closed in texas right now. Frozen wind turbines actually contributing the least to this disaster got a g. I have a great idea. We should use the jewish space laser. Oh and just melt the ice. That is a wonderful idea right. I mean if we started forest fires. Let's use our powers for good. Let's melt this ice. Can you talk to your people. I've talked to my people. I'll put in a call. Okay sweet because the gentile space lasers in the shop. That was circumcised. wasn't it. I think you got your space. Laser circumcise thirty three percent less effective. I just find it interesting. That gas coal and closed refineries are are being interrupted by the climate crisis. My gosh somebody tweeted will vote for What was Vote for democrats when hell freezes over and mother nature says deal like you know and there's just so many tweets from like ted cruz and and republicans take california haha. It must suck to have a state run by democrats etc and now they're doing nothing. Ted cruz do nothing but re tweet like maps of closed roads. Yeah that's because he doesn't know what else to do like he's totally fucked their grid there in texas so. There's no reason that shouldn't be able to handle what's happening right now. Last story less store we have. This is the russian ass ron john. I can't calm an asset. He's not really an asset anything. So i'm just gonna call him. The russian ass. Ron johnson on monday argued that it's wrong. It's wrong described the group as armed and accused. Democrats have selectively editing videos exaggerate the threat posed by a mob that came within feet of vice president mike pence and others reelect other elected officials. This is about the insurrection. Ron johnson said. This is not an armed insurrection. He said this didn't seem to be an armed insurrection to me. He said this to w. i s. n. When you hear the word arm. don't you think of firearms. Here's the question. I have liked to ask how many firearms were confiscated. How many shots were fired. Fucking moron johnson added. If that was the plan armed insurrection man you had really bunch of idiots so none of the host of the eleventh hour on msnbc brian williams. This is fantastic. Play the recording. Ron johnson's remarks and then said unbelievable. Comment from senator johnson which we had translated from the original russian. I love. I love these guys. Brian's got a great sense of humor. I mean this is ridiculous. Anything can be used as a weapon and when you beat an officer to death with a fire extinguisher and flagpole. That is an armed insurrection. That there was that one guy who was caught trying to transport weapons on a boat across the potomac. Yeah there were plenty of people stopped with firearms. There were people who in the crowd is. Shoot him with his own gun referring to capitol. Police officer He just called his supporters. A bunch of idiots. That's hilarious How many firearms were confiscated. How about the the explosive and cindy and blow explosive devices found at the dnc rnc. Are those not considered arms. I don't even. It's the dumbest thing and he's taken so much shit for it. And god bless brian williams. So funny i love to give him a good one on late night spin. Stick it especially with brian williams. Deadpan delivery is just chef's kiss We got some late breaking news rudy. Giuliani is no longer representing trump. According to jason miller we we we told you about that and this is coming on the heels of that. Nwa cpi lawsuits doing both rudy and donald for conspiring with the proud boys and oath keepers to stop the electoral vote. Count under the ku klux klan. Act yet another example. Proving republicans don't understand. Time is linear and biden. This is biden supports the nine eleven style commission. Although i just wanna say and i've read a couple of op eds talk to frankfurt lucy about this. Yesterday i would like for criminal referrals to the department of justice to be allowed in this particular commission that didn't happen during a wrong contra and they shouldn't grant immunity to those who testify. That's what screwed up the criminal prosecutions during the iran. contra hearings. yeah who was in charge of that you remember bar nar new exactly what he was doing. also breaking now trump has written a scathing statement about mitch mcconnell calling him a dour sullen and unsmiling political hack and he says if republican senators are going to stay with him. They will not win again did he. Write that allison. Do really put your beans that he wrote this. He doesn't know what dour solan mean was miller hands down it was. This is a stephen miller joint for share. He also went after mitch's wife elaine. Chao saying mcconnell has no credibility on china because of his family substantial chinese business holdings which we were screaming about for the entire fourth. He's going to start throwing them onto the bus. And that was after trump fired. The inspector general investigating elaine chao For that business dealing but most importantly remember when i said trump may have been sabotaging georgia's senate runoff. Because he didn't want to be the only loser in twenty twenty A little bit of that. In this note he said in mitch's senate over the last two election cycles i single handedly saved at least twelve senate seats more than eight in the twenty twenty cycle alone and then came the georgia disaster where we should have won both. Us senate seats so here comes here comes. He's gonna start being. I'm not the only loser. I'm not the biggest loser It's that's happening now. it's happening now. Being come true it would be really beautiful. I know he needs to much. Mitch is not going to get rid of the filibuster. But if he did get rid of the filibuster and actually made it so that the senate could pass legislation barring trump from running for office again. It would be beautiful. He'll never do it. But it's a nice little daydream it. Yeah you're right but we don't need mitch really to kill the filibuster. I know i've got a little bit of an issue. With what am i. What am i by sexual sisters. Yes continue yeah yeah yeah. We just don't have mansion and cinema onboard. Anyway coming up next. I will speak with former federal prosecutor. Glenn kirschner about the implication of mitch. Mcconnell's comments following his vote to acquit donald of incitement of the insurrection. On the senate floor. That was the speech he made. We all watched Is did he join the house managers because that's what it sounds like so we're going to discuss that right after this break. Stay with us. We'll be hey everybody it's ag in this episode of the daily beans is brought to you by helixsleep. 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It's been a crazy weekend. It has been Although you know. When i saw a tweet from the president today it's nice that we can now actually read a tweet from the president like hey on track to deliver a hundred million vaccines and it's like. What would the presidential tweet that. I've read and i don't feel angry and upset and embarrassed for the country and so you know what that felt kind of good. Yeah and we were talking about that yesterday. To with the cdc coming out with their school reopening guidelines basically saying hey ninety percent of the students live in places that have a high amount of disease. So don't maybe don't open and you know hey. Thank you for not downplaying. The virus in giving us real science based information. It's just very refreshing. Now i know that that's bad. News people who with kids who want their kids to go back to in person learning. But it's the truth. And i really appreciate so today. I wanted to talk to you about mitch. Mcconnell's comments that trump is clearly guilty of inciting the insurrection and spreading the big lie and he made those comments immediately following his not guilty vote and you tweeted today. Quote for anyone who celebrates mitch mcconnell's pronouncement. That trump is morally and practically re or practically responsible for the insurrection. Remember there are two places mitch. Mcconnell's words mean nothing in a court of law and everywhere else. Can you expand on that thought. Yeah that's that's the jersey coming out in me So yet mitch. Mcconnell can say whatever he wants and it's meaningless because the man is the very definition of hypocrisy. He'll say one thing one day and he'll do a one eighty the next day and say something else if it suits his political purposes so when mitch mcconnell votes not guilty then stands up and says donald trump could not be more guilty. I mean he just. He's shameless and he proves every day that his words mean nothing. Obviously his words would mean nothing in a court of law because it would be up to an actual jury to decide whether donald trump is guilty of any crimes in connection with launching an attack on the us capitol. So mitch mcconnell. I think feels his grasp At sort of power slipping through his fingers. And i think he will soon be yesterday's news. And maybe tomorrow's defendant though you know. I don't quite know what mitch mcconnell might be on the hook for criminally. Of course we'll never know if we don't investigate. Yeah although i will say this His words are being used in this new civil suit filed by the nwa c. p. against him. And i know at least. I hope the democrats are gonna use that speech to cut a bunch of ads in twenty twenty two twenty twenty four. So i guess they could be useful for those purposes but yeah otherwise. It's completely empty vapid. Solis to to vote. Not guilty and then to stand up and say he was guilty is has got to be i. I don't even know how to. I'm out of adjectives after the past five years. But i just don't even know how to characterize. That feels a little like mitch. Mcconnell saying we will never ever have a confirmation hearing for a supreme court justice nominee in the last year of a president's term and then turn around and hold exactly that seven days before election. I mean come on which we know it. You're about and i really wanted to see the democrats in the majority railroad through this impeachment. But they didn't because they have class and they want to do things by the book. And and because i mean otherwise if we had played it like the republicans would have played it or like i should say they did play it back in one thousand nine hundred eighty eight They could have lahey could have dismissed jurors for not accepting the jurisdictional argument that it is constitutional to to go after a former official with impeachment or You know anybody who has already said what their vote was going to be. You know well then. You're dismissed juror. I would really have liked to see that sort of play out but you know they. They follow precedent. They set up the rules the same way that they did in ninety eight and and try it. We're just doing it by the book and so you know that sort of the kind of the battle that That we face going forward. And i wanted to ask you about this too because you believe like i do that. Trump is criminally culpable for the attack on the capital. And i was hoping you could tell us what sort of evidence we might see in That might go in front of a grand jury. We wouldn't see that. But we might come out and indictments or or be shown in in criminal court of law but we don't yet know is what kind of communications going on behind the see not only among the hate groups that were organizing and that were being inspired by donald trump. But what kind of communications were going on. Behind the scenes with respect it trump and giuliani and other people in trump's inner circle. We got a little flavor of that toward the end of the impeachment trial. I always have to put air quotes around the word trial because we heard about that The statement by believe it was kevin mccarthy right that was a little bit of hearsay but it was introduced by stipulation where you know while the capitol was under attack while the insurrectionists was trying to stop the vote certification donald trump is doing nothing to protect the people in that building instead he saying. I guess they care more about the election results than you do you know. So we're gonna. There's obviously lots more of that kind of stuff that we would get that we would develop during the course of the grand jury investigation. But you give me thirty minutes and the evidence that's even publicly available. I'll walk in to a courtroom and convince jurors beyond a reasonable doubt unanimously that donald trump is criminally responsible for launching the attack on the capital. Any two things you need an act and you need a guilty mental state. We've got the act. He organized and distributed the july. Six rowley right. That was trump production. He saw everybody air. he saw they. Some of them are wearing body armor and helmets burying makeshift weapons. He got them all riled up and then he gave them one command. Get down there and stopped. what's going on. They followed his command to the letter. What did they do. They went down there and they literally stopped. What was going on. You know you are presumed to intend the natural natural and foreseeable consequences of your words and your actions here. They carried out his command to the letter and they and they used violence to do it. And that was not only reasonably foreseeable. It was inevitable. Indeed it was donald trump's intent. There's the criminal act right. He used them as a weapon to attack the capital people. I am so tired of hearing people say criminal intent is so hard to prove spent thirty years in courtrooms military and civilian proving intent or trying to prove intent. I was more successful than i was not successful. I lost plenty of cases to intent is not hard to prove the law. Says you prove intent. You infer intent by. Somebody's conduct their behavior. Their words what was donald trump's and ten from start to finish it was to lie to people about the fact that or about the claim that they're election was stolen from them. Their vote was taken from them. Their president was taken away by the people who are down in that building. Certifying falsely certifying. Joe biden's win his entire. This entire orchestration was launched from a platform of fraud. The big lie and there is not a person in the world who will believe donald trump actually subjectively believes the big life. of course. he didn't so fact that everything he did. He did from a platform of fraud gives him criminal intent guilty guilty. Men's raya mental state from start to finish this thing is so plainly criminal and all we need is the department of justice to step up. Bring the charges and litigated if we lose in front of a jury and i don't believe we will but if we do there's no shame in that because what we've done is we've fought for democracy. The president of the united states launched an attack against democracy. How can we just let that go. Yeah it's it's not about winning or losing it's about having justice take its course as it should Through an independent department of justice. And i think. I think that merrick garland comments about the insurrection when he was nominated by biden point to the distinct possibility that they will be investigating that. And i i you know in house. Managers presented a masterful case. That i don't think any jury would come back with you. Know would acquit on. I mean that was just it was all there was an airtight case. And so i. I tend to agree with you. The only thing the only reason apparently that He was found not guilty was because they had question which was settled at the beginning And shouldn't have been a factor however here we are and so it's time to move forward into the into the into the department of justice criminal investigation and other places that should be looking into and there was no constitutionality question. This is the fourth time in our nation's history that the senate held impeachment and trial for somebody who left office so there is precedent at in fact. It's uniform precedent. It can be done. it has been done. They voted to do it again right so there will never be any legal precedent because the courts will not wade into political questions. There's something called the political question doctrine which is why you don't see court opinions on impeachment. They don't have. It's not just a word. I always mispronounced. They don't take these kinds of issues up. So the only kind of precedent we will ever ask is political precedence and historical precedent. And we have it so mitch. Mcconnell and the and the forty three insurrectionist loving republicans do not have jurisdictional leg to stand on end. They know it and then let me go back to college for one minute. Because i am excited about. The prospect of merrick garland being our next attorney general. Because you know first of all. He cut his prosecutorial tease his public corruption. Tease on prosecuting. Marion barry the former mayor of washington. Dc in his infamous crack case. That was in my former office. That dc us attorney's office so and you know he did a good job. Cut his domestic terrorism prosecutorial teeth on the oklahoma city bombing case because he supervised the oversaw the investigation and prosecution of what was the most significant domestic terrorism incident in our nation's history not only today but arguably ever. It was a different kind of incident than the insurrection of the capital. So when i love. There's a quote that is attributed to him And he said we back during the oklahoma city bombing investigation. He said mark my words. We will hold every single person accountable. Who had anything to do with the oklahoma city bombing but we will do it in a way that honors the constitution and that gives this old prosecutor will goosebumps right. But here's what merrick garland is. He is the perfect marriage of a public corruption. Prosecutor and a domestic terrorism prosecutor and what donald trump is is the unholy union of public corruption and domestic terrorism merged into one ugly criminal ball. So i have to say. I think merrick garland is the right man for the moment. Yeah i concur. And i think it's i think it's fascinating that for four years trump lawyers argued that trump can't be prosecuted criminally. When he's the president he must face impeachment and then when impeachment time comes the senators. Pass the buck back to the criminal justice system. It's just absolute hypocrisy. I do have a couple more questions. I do have to take a quick break. We'll you stay with me. Sure all right. Everybody will be right back everybody gets. Ag for the daily beans. The second of the podcast is brought to you by cal if the past year has taught us anything that we have to deal with unexpected stress throughout life. And we know it's important to practice self care but taking care of yourself shouldn't add to your stress know what i mean the great thing about. Cbd though is it helps you feel better without having to make drastic changes to your teen super simple to incorporate into your life. 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While talking about merrick garland and i wanted to ask you work there for a long time. Now dc attorney general carl racine. Who is different from the dc. Us attorney is looking into charging trump with incitement insurrection. I'm wondering how The the dc attorney general has jurisdiction to do that when it would usually be the. Us attorney that would bring those charges. Can you talk about that a little bit sure. First of all a lot of people probably don't know is that of the ninety three. Us attorneys around the country in the territories night Ninety two of them do nothing but the traditional federal prosecutors in dc. I was there for twenty four years. We were the traditional federal prosecutors at the dc us attorney's office but because the district of columbia was chartered as a federal city. They never had a district attorney's office so they don't have local prosecutors so we are one stop shopping for all prosecuted in the district of columbia both federal cases and local cases. So now when the dc city government one home run they. They had it more that used to be the corporation counsel's office but at some point they have their own attorney general for the city for the city of dc. But they don't really have much in the way of criminal jurisdiction we have a memorandum of understanding. When i say we. The department of justice attorney's office in dc with the dc city government. And they take some relatively low level misdemeanors and we take everything else. Their main criminal practice is juvenile matters which are not considered prosecutions. They're considered like adjudications to see. Someone is delinquent and all that but they do. Have i believe a misdemeanor. Rioting statute that they can handle they die. They don't generally we generally do it. All the dc office. But that's what karl racine. The attorney general for the city of dc is talking about perhaps deploying as a result of what happened on january. Sixth i i go back and forth on whether that's realistic because look my former office is investigating the whole ball of wax. Everything that went on during the insurrection. And you can see were returning indictments on the proud boys and everybody who was unlawfully entering the us capital. We're starting to bring conspiracy charges. So the case is being built in the grand jury indictments are being handed down. I think it unlikely that carl racine will take a little piece of it at you. Know the the rioting peace and try to bring separate prosecution. I think that would be the two offices working not against themselves but you know anytime you get multiple jurisdictions investigating the same crime it becomes really challenging the coordination so. I don't think we're likely to see prosecutions coming out of college scenes office. Do you think it's more likely that whoever biden selects as the dc. Us attorney would be bringing those sharks. Because i know the current dc us attorney wasn't initially looking at charging donald trump. Or you know any of the leaders the kingpins etc Although i know the doj is looking into rico charges and other are there certain things which would you generally include those insiders not insiders but insiders at that's a word and So do you think it's more likely we'll start to see that once the new. Us attorney in the district of columbia is read into the case and brought up to speed under merrick garland when we're looking at a few months down the road do because let's face it. We still have the bill. Donald trump lackey as the acting. Us attorney in the district of columbia guy named sherwin and michael sherwin. Excuse me tim shea was his predecessor. Another bill barr lackey. So and remember tim. Sherwood is the guy who brought the mike flynn dismissal home for mike flynn and donald trump. And he's the guy who sat on the criminal referrals by the senate intelligence committee. A bipartisan committee referred junior and jared kushner bannon and sam clovis four and prince prince for criminal investigation and undershirt wins tenure. Those cases die now. I hope they're given a relook. So handful of people have thrown their hat in the ring to be the new. Us attorney for the district of columbia many of my friends and former colleagues. I opted not to throw my hat in the ring. That's a longer conversation. But so a great former prosecutor gang prosecutor named on early chatter betty through in fort A guy named matt great put in for it. And here's a really interesting one. Jonathan kravis put in for it if that name rings a bell. It's because jonathan craven one. He was a former homicide prosecutor in my office but he was the lead prosecutor in the roger stone trial and he was the guy who walked off the case and resigned from the federal government because is ethics and his conscience did not allow him to take part in what bill barr was trying to both he has put in to be. Us attorney in dc. So it's going to be an interesting process. Yes definitely a normal. Usually what happens is the people apply and then the senators from the states in which those. Us attorney's offices reside interview the candidates. And make a selection dc as we know doesn't have senators yet. so who who interviews the dc. Us attorney candidates. Eleanor holmes norton and she is the one who will make the recommendation to the white house and in depending on the administration sometimes. She was completely ignored and disrespected by the white house and sometimes she was fully respected in her desires and her recommendation as to who should be the. Us attorney who she was supporting was taken very seriously and what. What is her job. she is the web. The non voting member of congress from the district of columbia so it that was that was just to appease the see like how. 'bout we'll give you representative. But she doesn't get the vote. Well did come on now. Why don't you just say that. She should work in the cafeteria. That's absurd much like the delegate of the virgin islands who we saw there. You go eloquently. A at the house management team to house managers blew me away. That was a master class of prostitution but one of the things that i think we should continue to fight for in earnest is getting full representation for the citizens of the district of india. Yeah yeah i wanna to do that and i. there's a couple other things. I wanna get set in place As far as you know passing the john lewis voting rights act before we kill the filibuster Because we are just one heartbeat away from losing the majority over there in the senate right now literally and. And so. I'm all for it. I just think we need to get our ducks in a row. Wise make sure that the people are represented properly and And then you know then move forward with that. That's just my own personal little opinion. They're finally we've already seen this. Civil suit filed by the nwa. See just a day or two after mitch. Mcconnell said there's going to be a lot of Civil suits and criminal prosecution so the acp filed their lawsuit. But how likely do you think it is. That trump will face these criminal charges for january six. And we've already discussed who should bring them. Probably the dc. Us attorney's office. But how how likely do you think it is. He'll face criminal charges at the federal level. I think i would bet one dollar of my own money. That's my betting limit. I'm not a betting man. I would bet one dollar of my own money to donald trump will end up as a defendant oath in state courts end in federal court. I think merrick garland with the public corruption piece in the domestic terrorism peace and the love of democracy peace. I don't think he's gonna let this go and he should. So you know. The civil suit is one thing that was just brought by the nwa. Cb on behalf of congressman bennie thompson. And it's a beautiful thing. I mean i love to see those defendants bunched together. Donald trump reg- leoni the proud boys. And the oh keeper spoke about birds of a feather weight. This jim slots together in the courtroom defending that soup because that is not a frivolous suit and i predict the judge will not grant the inevitable motion to dismiss and then discovery. So we've got something to look forward to there as well yeah agreed. Everyone sorta needs to hunker down patient. This administration has already proven they can quote unquote walk and chew gum at the same time and I have. I have full confidence in in merrick garland as well and whoever is appointed as as us attorneys a not just in dc but but across the nation of course except in delaware was a delaware seat. But i got to tell you that. That's another thing that gave me patriotic loose fox. Yes for the the the nor the expectation is an incoming president will ask for all. Us attorneys to resign so he can then appoint us attorneys. That share his law enforcement priorities and his philosophy but at and joe biden. kennedy said. yeah. I'm going to do that. I'd like all resignations. Except to john. Durham because i don't want to even give the appearance that i'm interfering into the investigation into the fbi opening an investigation into the the trump campaign while joe biden was vice president. Right so to leave. That alone is a thing of beauty and then a thing that is inspirational is leaving alone. The us attorney from delaware so he can complete his investigation into joe biden's son i mean if you're not inspired by that dedication to public service in joe biden then you don't have a pulse or you're not a patriot or you don't understand how government is supposed to work because he could he could fire them And people could complain and goes. Hey i'm the decider. We just think about all the things that all the people that were fired inspectors general. Us attorneys the trump administration. And how he didn't he didn't care It's it's nice to have someone that cares. And that upholds upholds those. Those long held beliefs in independent justice. So well i appreciate your time today. Glenn can you tell everyone where they can find. You can find me on youtube every day. I'm in the process of finishing up. Today's video which is about the lawsuit brought by congressman thompson in the nwa cpa. So i'm just glenn kirschner to matt irs over on youtube Over on patriotic. If you wanna come over and and support our efforts in our content you can sign up to become a patriots We have team justice that resides over patriot on twitter facebook. Not wherever you. You get your disinformation on. Probably they're not giving this information. Never once thank you so much former federal prosecutor. Msnbc legal analyst and justice matters guru. Glenn kirschner. I appreciate your time today. Everybody stick around. We'll be right back with the good news. Hey everybody it's in the segment of the daily beans is brought to you. By plush care. 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He and him. I just wanna say. I've been listening. Since i discovered you on opening arguments. Thank you. I really enjoy the show but my confession is that i don't enjoy your music. I'm sure this is a very unpopular opinion. I'm sorry other than that. I love the podcasts. Keep up the great work as an apology. Tax sent pictures with the former puppy winston. Lola the killer parrot are polar bear khloe and the raccoon. Rhodesian ridgeback peanut. I think we might be missing. Some pics sure slim might. We'll get him though but look at this baby. There's one here. I mean because there's an adorable cocker spaniel that i think may have. We'll see where the cocker belongs. I want to see all of these animals. Now robbie that music was gifted to us by my one of my favorite bands of thirty years. They might be giants. They also did the theme to the daily show with jon stewart. Back in the day and the themed malcolm in the middle. That's who you're listening to just so you know But hey they're not for everybody. I get it well. I don't get it. But i forgive you. I happen to love the might be. Giants does not mean. I've loved everything they sing. So there you have it a right. This next one comes from anonymous and her and turkish van. The entire great plains has frozen over and get no apology from the forty fifth news in these red states continues to be about. Fbi rest of the privileged class. Who could afford bus and plane tickets to go. Destroy the capital and then vacation in mexico reminding us that our lily livered. Senators voted to acquit. The orange menace behind my mask. Continue to go up the fresh fragrant air provided by your msw beans with the deepest gratitude with deep cold the furnaces producing significant dry heat. This has opposed a problem for my long haired lady never before. Has there been any to worry. That my petting her would cause a stinging spark among god and make us both sad to have to maintain yet another social distance. All playtime has produced some new challenges as well see below. I ordered unscented dryer sheets so smart in my next delivery with hopes of providing some relief to my best friend tax now paid. Let me say thank you again for the daily effort you make to keep us informed of the truth and truly does exist in this nation that truly does exist in this nation. This poor kid has done little static. Cling is like it's collect even the feathers toys onto her. Oh got useful for though. I love her tail so sweet. Yeah we get this one over the santa anna's come through you know you touched your car door massive shock. Yeah it's an touch the cats don't just don't touch the cats. Don't touch when that happens. That should be the name of podcast. Just don't don't don't kick the baby all right next up from not that millionaire stephen i wrote back in november sixteen year old cat had passed away while after three months of living in what felt like a very empty house adopted a pair of three month old kittens from my local animal shelter. They're brother and sister have named them and cop after the purple on the show bear in the big blue house. My house certainly doesn't feel empty anymore. Enclosed or two pictures of them. One is a rare photo of them calmly. Sleeping not enclosed. A photo of them curled up in my underwear around my ankles as i'm sitting on the toilet Yes welcome oh my goodness yes. All the babies are sold camera. Yep no commercial hosts cameras so sweet. What beautiful little babies. Congratulations absolutely This is from anonymous pronounce. He and him thank you for everything. You do beans queens. I'm not sure if this is a confession or good news. But i hope it ends up being the best news when it's all said and done i'm a single father joint custody trying to finish up the world's longest divorce going on for seven years. Oh i was complaining. That mine's like been over a year. Wow buddy s well technically divorced. There's still some things that need to be worked out one of which is vaccinations which seems ludicrous. During a pandemic or any other time for that matter. Oh my god. My ex wife is an anti vassar. Vaccinations thing oh anti-vat it. Yeah my ex wife is vaccine. Who is a master. It moving goalposts and finding loopholes so the issue keeps getting pushed out. The difficulty is finding an expert witness willing to help me. Counter arguments and protect. Children is severely deflating the whole process as you can imagine extremely expensive but if i can protect my children from preventable diseases it's worth it in the yet so. I'm hoping this is the year that it's all done and i can do. I no longer panic attacks with every email from my attorney. I also haven't had confidence to date. I was really feeling on valentine's day but if match with someone incredible and had planned to meet this week that's awesome dating during the pandemic on top of all my baggage hasn't really been much of an option but maybe this is my good news. We have a ton in common. She super cute and best of all haven't had much of the normal anxiety. I know it's not all good news yet. But i'm hoping and i just needed to get this off my chest for reading. I paid my tax with our old man dog. Oh thank you again. I wish you all the best and look at dog goes out the the the best snout anonymous. I'm really proud of you for opening backup in no matter what happens. It's a it's a step in growth in for you to open up to meeting someone new so super proud of you. I'm sorry about your ex-pm antibac- sir. I really hope you can get that figured out. Because obviously you're the one working with science and facts. So congratulations there. Yeah and send us an update with up to hear more about this. As as 'cause you're gonna win this for sure. And i just wanna i just wanna i wanna keep track. I wanna make sure you're good. Everything's okay and i also want an update on the date that you have this week to me to keep us in the loop and this dog. Oh what honey. All right next up from donna. Pronoun she and her. I've never married or had children. So i have instead grown very close over the years to my nephew and nieces there. My pride and joy. I love to brag on them. My niece katie. Once said to me when she was about seven years old that she knew what she was going to be when she grew up. I said really. What's that and she grandly answered. I'm going to be either an actress or a neonatal nurse. I giggled so cute. I just love that girl. So we carried on for about thirty years through her ups and downs of what she really wanted to be when she grew up. And she's one of these kids that came of age during some of the great recession of two thousand seven when it was difficult to find jobs much less than you really wanted but she persevered and this morning despite the weather. Chicago got clobbered with overnight. My katie girl graduated from the chicago. Fire department academy. We're able to watch the ceremony on line so fucking proud of her. My heart just melted as she saluted and then elbow bumped mayor lori and the fire commissioner s. Go chicago strong. Attach or some screen shots. I capture the ceremony. One of katie saluting on stage and one wider angle of the room. They are massed of course. So you can't see any of the cadets clearly. But i swear kate was one of the ones standing straighter and taller than anyone else in the room. That is fantastic. Love mayor lori. I've met her at a couple of hr events in chicago. She is fantastic. I love that. She's out and proud and these pictures. Oh your knees congratulations. That's so wonderful. Congratulations love it. So good loving right. This next one's both side. Chick pronounced she and her good day beanie babies. I have a quick little note to share with you. I my main man wolf blitzer. I'm secretly loving kaitlan collins. Taking over jim acosta's position. Because my name is kay lend so every time i hear i hear him. Say my name i selfishly. Pretend wolf us talking to me. Any loving clean up on aisle forty-five keep up the great work wealthy and i haven't set the date yet. He that's awesome. Yeah that's right. Kaitlan collins took over jim. Acosta's job there. That's so so cool. I love her. she's so great. She's such a great reporter or the other person i live on. Cnn is abby philip. She kept me going through that election. Week next up from c. pronouns. He and him. Hbd and the rest of the community of beans. I have a good news a quick confession and being of my own to put down assuming we're allowed to do so of course you're allowed to put down beans also with my good news. My parents got their first round of the vaccine or scheduled for the second dose in early march. I've been anxious about them since cohen. I hit the news last january and between this and competent government. I'm starting to remember how not to be not up a knotted up ball of angst now under my confession every morning when edgy starts to show with hello and welcome to the daily beans for insert date here. I can't help but hear. Hello and the voice of mrs doubtfire and picture. Ag with cake on her face. Well you know what see. I'm gonna do that tomorrow for you. I occasionally even join in with my best worst. Mrs doubtfire impression and finally might mean like everyone else. I was profoundly disappointed with the impeachment. Managers didn't call witnesses. But then i remembered the sedition meetings with sydney pailin. Mike flynn the twelve twenty meeting between trump. And taro since revealed to be an informant inconveniently picked up at his as he landed in dc the giants if trump tower meeting Trump international hotel but. Yeah the racketeering and counterintelligence investigations and now the agreement between the department of justice and spasms so my being is that part of the decision to call witnesses to protect evidence for the ongoing criminal and counterintelligence investigations and not potentially contaminate the jury pool. Yeah i said that yes. You have the same beans see. I'm sure the impeachment managers would've been judicious in their witness election. But i'm also sure the opposition would have been happy to try to spoil any case department of justice is building. Yes a little further thing there See on that. Bean is the reason that they didn't tell us that they didn't want to taint future. Jury stuff is because they would have had to admit to an investigation being ongoing which they do not do and he says here in lieu of pot pat tax. I wanna share my favorite beverage. Since i miss last week. Stereo chat angels eh. It's kentucky straight bourbon. Whiskey finished in port wine casks. And it's absolutely delightful. Oh thank you for keeping us company in the mornings while we're giving the news while the news all the context nuance and fucks. It deserves. thank you i love. Angels envy is a very smooth bourbon. Fantastic all right. This next one comes from james pronouncing him. Dg's reaction to the cat named mouse prompted me to send the story of our cat named mouse. It was a very quiet cat and couldn't now she just had a four squeak of a voice. We adopted her as a two year old stray but just a couple of hours. After we got her home she disappeared on us. Who searched all over for three days. Put food out put signs up in the neighborhood in case she got out etc but no luck in my head. I was like could read them. Nope okay three days later into the search this signs for the cat. Dana have a moment. I was like you guys for signs out for the cat. Okay three days sometimes. I'm just pretty you guys three days into the search. We had a friend over to help me with my friend and i drove past a billboard about apartments and it said leasing information. Call this number. And i was like i said. How do you lease information. I mean once you know. don't you just know it. How did he just had a moment. Yes please send us your moment's send us your moments. I would love to hear them anyway. Three days into the search. We had a friend over to help hunt around the house and we heard a scratching sound coming from the wall in the basement. Not knowing what else to do. I got a drywall. Saw and cut a hole in the wall and immediately mouse face popped up. Unfortunately the whole was too small for her. So i had to push back in to enlarge it back. Did the trick. She spent three days stuck in the walls after getting into the furnace room and not being able to find her weight and because she squeaked living in the wall was afraid of the other cat. We named her mouse though she could open a serious. She grew up to be a serious football. The picture we had her for thirteen years never lost her in a again after the first time. She's beautiful she was beautiful for my god. That wall just kicking back in some installations. She doesn't look like the brightest cat. And i don't hear any derogatory. Looks like she's she looks. She looks like just continually startled. I just imagined her head popping up in that whole that's cutting the wall but so glad you found her terrifying and that's scary like it gives me chills to think that the cat got in through the furnace is up on the wall and couldn't find her way back. This is terrifying how terrifying. You couldn't hear me out. I know that's weird thing. It's like a human's worst nightmare. Being stuck somewhere hear him screaming. Oh the baby the cask of a monte auto. Okay that's it. Thank you so much for sending these in now. I really want to hear. Everyone's like dumb moments you've had because there's so funny me too. I'm gonna do. I i would love to hear about some sort of leap analogy made like when i found out that the the postal service logo isn't a bird headed man with his pockets turned out but is an eagle. I was like floored. I was also in my thirties. So those are the kinds of things. I would love to hear about so send them in. I don't know if you saw someone twitter the other day that sort of like rocked my core but like this little piggy goes to the market. Oh yes it. Oh yeah. I post that i found. I didn't know that the little picky wasn't going shopping. Like i felt a little piggy had their little trader joe's back and they were just going into the market and it gets some food for the did not know it was so terrible. There's a big difference between a piggy going to market and a piggy going to the market and that piggy the because. It's the big toe right. He's the fattest pigging he went to market. Oh no i. I was today years old. When i learned that well that day. I'm so sorry we've proven that for any of the listeners but yeah this little piggy went to market the so picky stayed home that makes sense but so does this little to the market and that one did it is home. Yeah i thought it was just going shopping now it. It stands to reason though because kids. Nursery rhymes ring around the rosie. Or fine you know like. They're all really ashes ashes. We all fall down. He he is singing. What the fuck is happening. When the bough breaks the cradle will fall down will come baby cradle and all. I'm surprised any of this turned out. Okay jesus christ. No i know but we're all yeah. Hey it's like the smiths upbeat music To do girlfriend in a coma. I know no it see you and you're like yeah what fuck morrissey that guy hate them. Just dick right wing outright weirdo and what a shame too because such great music. Anyway that's the show any final thoughts before we get out here and you have a final thought. I can't give you any information. Even though alison prior knows what. I'm talking about did something yesterday. And i need a collective good luck. Just put it out there just to collected break a leg. good luck. hope. It works. And i'll let you know if it comes through. That's it just put out a university. last minute. did a finnish nice. Hell yeah okay. Everyone do whatever it. Is you do to send out good vibes all right until tomorrow. Everyone please take care of yourself. Take care take care of the planet and take care of your mental health. I've been ag. And i've been digi the beans. 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Where liz lemon was like out with tracy jordan. And he's like are you going to the after after after after after party and they end up like on somebody's roof but yeah just finished watching that. Vote the vote to oust marjorie taylor green from. I think i was incorrect. I think the last time we were here live. I said that she was only thought she was only on one committee. She was on to committee. She was on education and labor and also on the budget committee education education. She's on the committee of educ. She was was because she got voted off of education. Yeah and eleven. Republicans who voted alongside democrats to oust her from the seats So we're gonna see how the backlash of that plays out. Because as you know mccarthy was would about maxine waters what about sewn so they get to keep their committee seats like they committed like they wanted other people to be executed are believed that nine eleven was not real or what like exactly. 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The Rush Limbaugh Show Podcast - Jan 12 2021

"The buck sexton podcast. Freedom is our fight this year. You have a democrat party that increasingly just bears its authoritarian fangs without any sense whatsoever of fair play and good faith toward the other side because they haven't had it for years because defeating trump in their minds justified. Absolutely anything the buck sexton podcast get it for free. Daily on the iheartradio app apple podcasts. Or wherever you find your podcasts hike. Is nancy grace here you know. It's so easy to think. Nothing bad will ever happen to me or my family. But that's not true at happens every day again. I'm nancy grace host of crime stories with nancy grace and i've dedicated everyday my life to stopping crime and helping crime victims. Please join us. Take a listen to crime stories with nancy. Grace on the iheartradio app apple podcasts. Or wherever you get your podcasts. Welcome to today's edition of the rush. Limbaugh show podcast. While it's always a pleasure to see a happy tuesday we it's gonna be a nice one and before we go any further. I got reminds you. You probably know what day this is. First of all. Let me say as rush has mentioned yesterday and he mentioned it a couple of times last week sometimes he just has to take day. And you know we're all part of this fight with him and today was one of those days so they called me up and it is such an honor to be here. It's kinda goose bumpy for me. Not just because this is the greatest audience and the biggest audience in radio. It's it's russia's birthday rush limbaugh's breath is today so happy birthday to mr limbaugh and you have an opportunity to go to rush. Limbaugh dot com. Go to the messages for rush and share your birthday wishes. I was on the website earlier this morning. I always go to the website for i fill in just to get a feel for the latest at such a great website and in the right hand side of the website you can just scroll through millions of americans and it's just great at one caught my eye today. There was a family of like eighteen. Yup they definitely like rush and they're all on the same pajamas and they're wishing rush. Well so you do the same thing. You do not have to wear pajamas. you don't have to wear anything. That's the beauty of radio. Eight hundred two eight to twenty eight eighty two my name. Is ken matthews again. Happy birthday to rush. It's an honor to be here on this special day and the special day in history. We have so much to talk about. But before i get into that. I just want to mention. I think one of the problems and this is something. That's so exciting. About what rush. Limbaugh has built with your help rush. Built first of all he reignited and built. Talk radio to the powerful force. It is where people go to for truth and information. And what rush does he attracts. People with discernment. And that's what you have. This is the type of audience. Mr limbaugh has built. This is what he has one of the many things he contributes to every day. See most people behind a news desk behind an anchor desk. They don't have discernment they don't understand context. Or if they do they ignore it because that's not what therefore they ignore logic. They leave their curiosity at home. That's why the infamous montages of the puppet media or you may have heard. It called the mockingbird media. That's why these are so entertaining when you go from network to network news feed the news feed and everybody says the same thing. Because that's what the teleprompter set and then it's like slamming the brakes on a freight train. You tune into the eib network and there's rush limbaugh and it's say i'm going to steal something from sydney. It's like a fire hose of common sense coming at you. And you go. Wha- what so you understand this. You understand this better than anybody. And it's not the first time i've said it that the best analysis you get on any given day most of the time. It's the callers that call into russia show because the puppet media and the puppet hollywood and the puppet political party. They're doing what they're told. That's what puppets do i want to give you an example of what happened today and i want you to weigh in on this. Eight hundred two eight to twenty eight eighty two. This is so this is interesting so we. We have a meeting in the morning and the team. The team we talk about what's happening. First of all we find out what's going on with rush and he's chilling out enjoying his birthday today. And i'm sure when his website explodes again with all your love. He's going to be thrilled. Just like catherine will be then. We go through all this other stuff. What about this. What about that do you think this. Do you think that we start looking at it. And what you find is this. I used to say. It's an absurd pattern but it's an obscene pattern. How right now. And we're going to really drill deep into this because rush talked about it a little bit earlier this week. Wasn't that much earlier because it's only tuesday. We're going to drill into the censorship in this purge. That's taking place taking place shortly. But here's an example of using discernment all right. This is a story on fox news this morning at nine fifty six am. I'm going to read. I'm going to read the headline. And i'd like you to weigh in and give me your thoughts on it and then i'll read. What the person in the story actually said and you can weigh in on that trump acknowledged. He bears some blame for capital riot in a conversation with kevin mccarthy now the the sources said fox news and there it is last week on call in with mccarthy sources right now exactly one hour later one hour. Later trump defends remarks that he made before capital. Riots calling them totally appropriate. So president trump said a few hours ago actually less than two his remarks to supporters just before they stormed the us capital. Last week were totally appropriate. Even as they have become the basis for an article of impeachment against him the president went on to say. They've analyzed my speech in my words and my final paragraph my final sentence and everybody to the t- thought it was totally appropriate trump told reporters as he departed to joint base andrews to visit the border with mexico. By the way that's where presidents headed. Today's headed to the alamo. Well near the alamo. To show off another one of his promises kept four hundred fifty miles of beautiful wall. It's beautiful it's huge. It's beautiful so what do you think about that. In within an hour trump has to come out again and correct alleged leaks from his own establishment. If you wanna call it or from his own party this is what this man is up against. But it is interesting. it's interesting. How the hill all the news. Sources stay on the script. So that's why you're seeing. They storm the capital. It was an insurrection. I could not believe my own. Senator in pennsylvania one of them will neither one of them are mind but senator bob. Casey said on the floor of the senate. Maybe you saw that. And i'm quoting him. Because i i have burned in my mind. That tuesday domestic terrorists under the direction of the president led an insurrection against america. Now there's a guy who is so out of touch with reality. He doesn't know what a domestic terrorist is. He doesn't know what an insurrection is and he obviously doesn't know what leadership is but this is what we're up against so today we're gonna talk about some of this purge. I want to get your thoughts on it. Let me tell you one of my saddest moments during the purge and it has nothing to do with me being kicked off linked in or band for another week from facebook or dumped with polymer like millions of other people to things. Happen that really bug me number. One facebook got rid of the walkaway movement. I thought the walkaway movement was so awesome and it still is half a million videos of people that were proud to be an american proud to be a patriot. Proud to support and love. President probably listeners. In this audience were part of the walkaway movement and facebook removed. It gone and you know google's in on it because now google controls they control the search. This is why when you have you try to have an intelligent conversation with a leftist friend and you say four plus four equals eight and then they say. Hold on a second. I just googled that and it says right here at equals nine nut. No it equals eight. I actually did it. I had like potato chips. And i put four potato chips here at but for chips here then i put it in a video and my three year old said daddy. That's eight. no. Google said it's nine so that's where we are. You want to know why people are getting shutdown. That's why seventy one thousand people kicked off twitter. It's just incredible the walkaway movement. Oh here's another. Here's another announcement from facebook. Facebook is removing all content. That mentions stop the steel. How about that so this is i'm gonna call this. I'm gonna call this insult to injury. So i you get the insult or no you get the injury and then you say why i think you just. I think you just strip me of my rights. Will you deserved it. You should have known better. You need to agree with us. i mean. pbs and npr can do it. Why can't the rest of you. Eight hundred two eight to twenty eight eighty two. What are your thoughts on that that somebody leaked a statement. And i'm gonna call it a pretend. Statement that trump acknowledged. He bore some responsibility for the capital riot. In a conversation with kevin mccarthy do we know the source of course not who needs sources. If you're trying to take down a president. When was that important. How many times have you listened to mainstream america and heard some of the greatest journalists of our time like don lemming joy behar or gayle king say you know sources say and then. The story begins thrilled to be here today. I want you to call in and comment on that and actually love to get your comments on the president's trip today as well and don't forget it's russia's birthday and you could certainly say that when you call but more importantly send him the message at rush limbaugh dot com. I'm kevin matthews. We'll be right. That the rush limbaugh show. Happy birthday to rush limbaugh thirty nine years old today. Just seems like it's been longer doesn't it. Eight hundred two eight hundred twenty eighty two. This is the network my name. Is ken matthews. So by all means join the conversation because free speech is still permitted on this show as far as we know it yup Yeah And i i want to go back just for a second crash. If you can play that rush cut from yesterday go ahead. Is it fair to think that what is happening to conservative on social media. I mean we are being censored out of existence. We are being silenced out of existence. We are being pummeled. We are being threatened. We are being intimidated out of existence. So is it. Is it fair to think that what is happening to conservatives on social media is the same thing that happened to their votes. Oh what an astute analysis of course. It's fair to say that. Of course the same tech gurus behind slowing down the frequency of news feed or neutralizing your share option or searching for words. That well like. I said facebook just said if you put anything on there about stop the steel now about that for a moment. You're saying stop the steel meaning. We believe there was a theft. We need to stop it. You're not saying. Joe biden is a whatever you're not saying. I'm going to go and put dog poop in joe biden's yard. You're not saying that you're saying hey stop stealing stuff all right. That's enough of that. That's enough of that. Ladies and gentlemen. I think one of the reasons. There's such an overreaction to not just in my opinion the reelection of trump but there's such an overreaction to everything that's related to trump whether it's a rally whether it's ice cream whether it's catch up whether it's hair colour i think they're terrified at trump. Who do i mean by anybody that has a stake in what donald j trump is. President of the united states has exposed in the last four plus years. President trump started calling things out even before he was elected like the swamp and the poorest border and terrorism and a lopsided trade dynamic with china now believe it or not in. This is the sad sad story. There's a lot of people in government that benefit from a porous border and they even benefit from terrorism and they benefit from war and they benefit from china and china owning their company or a platform or buying some valuable piece of defense equipment. And the problem is those people are angry. The major broadcasters the major company. There's only about six. There's about six companies. Give or take and if you do your research you'll see when the tentacles come out it all leads back don't you go. Oh my gosh they own that they. She owns that he yeah. It's just a half dozen people so we all we start. We enter the game violating the constitution. Just the just. The mainstream media concept is borderline monopoly which violates laws but then we also we've limited unbeknownst to us over the years free speech. Because if something's going down on cnn you're saying well i'll just go over to msnbc that's funny. That's that's a good joke there. Well i i'll just listen to. Cvs well you know nbc. No no no no no so when the truth started to get through about trump that he's not a bad guy that he's doing a good job that people love the guy and he's exposing the swamp broadcast media then cable media then social media started shutting down. This didn't start yesterday but they're panicking. Today it started months ago months ago and it reached its fever pitch with some of the tragic events last week. Now the news media will refuse and they'll continue to refuse to shed any truth on anything you have to find it on your own right. So what is the next thing they did. They shut you off social media. They really believe the people that hate trump. The people that love biden the people that like globalism. The people have no trouble with china building pieces of military equipment for the united states which is absurd there are people out there. That are okay with that you know why. Because they're getting rich off of it so they have no problem with well. You know what's going to happen. The conservatives are going to do what they always do. They're going to innovate. They're going to adapt to overcome happy birthday marines. But they're going to do that. And that drives the left crazy you knock someone off facebook. They create another platform. You knock someone off here. They create another platform. You target people. The american people know what's going on so much that i could not believe it. Listen to this. How many times have you heard this. You know it's bad when the aclu voices concern about conservatives and republicans being purged and the president being purged off twitter permanently. It's gotta be bad for the aclu to get involved because you know that's not that's really not how they roll. I mean you. Can you can threaten a talk show host all day long and they'll call it free speech but if you say now let's walk down this road then you're inciting something. Here's the comment from the aclu concern that the movement to d platform president trump could be a slippery slope. I'm sorry i just never thought. I'd hear the aclu say that because they usually rally behind a small group of leftist with everything. This could be a slippery slope with eventually unintended consequences especially for minority groups. Oh you don't say so. Let me get this right. The brain surgeons at the aclu are now saying that free speech should be for everyone you know. The world is influx. When that happens on ken matthews. We'll be right back. I have to say it's it's kinda special. I kind of feel that. I met russia's private birthday party. Maybe i'm going to tweet that maybe i'll do like the you know the millennial thing and i'll tweet that out hanging out with rosh happy birthday and then i'll take a picture myself eating some cake. Happy birthday rush limbaugh me. Hey anyway happy birthday brush. You know we made it. You know we love you. America loves you and what you do. Eight hundred two eight to twenty eight eighty two in this time when everybody in the news talks about healing i just wanted to play up something. That may may or may not inspire you. This is from the very articulate wonderful role model maxine waters congresswoman from a beautifully run state. California runs it runs like a swiss watch and this woman is is she is. She is squeaky clean. She is a role model for anyone who wants to not be corrupt. So let me just say that. And here she is with words to live by and this was exactly ten months after president. Donald j trump was inaugurated. The first time. i'm. I'm a little emotional. Because these are such words of encouragement. I will go and take trump out to night is bringing the country together and the applause. Yes now at least some people still have free speech it just. It's just not us. But i wanna go to some of the analysis again some of the cutting edge analysis that you can get from the clown news network that cnn for people. New to the show. Chris cuomo just a brilliant analysis. I didn't. I couldn't find chris comment last week. But i wanna share this analysis with you during the blm riots now too many see the protests as the problem. No the problem is what forced your fellow citizens to take to the streets persistent and poisonous inequities and injustice and. Please show me where it says. The protests are supposed to be polite and peaceful. Could you show me where it says that well having been to several maga- rallies they're always polite and peaceful see at maga- the trumpsters. We know that our parents raised us. Don't firebomb police cars for goodness sake. Go to your room. What did we tell you about throwing. Bricks at police timmy. Eight hundred two eight to two eight eighty two. Let's go to bill in akron ohio. Hi bill you're on the rush limbaugh show the the birthday rush limbaugh show. Okay can hang Happy birthday to russia and all our prayers to him and his family jeff. I'm calling because. I am so frustrated of hearing the bad mouth thing and the left to back off and by tech. Why don't we put this where it should be right square in the rhinos. They did it at the federal level. They did state level. They let us down. Why do we talk about primary. Forget about the dirtbags on the left. We held who they are. Let's get this off and let this get we get straight knock. It's gotta be the same thing over and over and over here it's redundant bill you u-b-e-r you brought up some great points and the timing of your call is perfect and let me tell you why because you're not the first person to say that to me and we we all know that rhinos are actually. We need to come up with a better name just because rhinos are. I don't know if you've ever seen a rhino in the wild but they can tip over a vehicle and that's not the fighting spirit that most republicans that i know of you know what i mean. So eventually bill. We need to come up with a new name. But republicans in name only. You're absolutely correct. They are the biggest sellouts in the party and they were. Unfortunately the biggest blockade to president trump's outstanding agenda which despite being sold out on a regular basis by the romney's and the to me's and the christie's he still got all that stuff done because there is a core group of patriots that surround the president. Many of you have those in your state and you know who they are but i want to go back to why the timing was perfect because it wasn't until last week that the entire country had an opportunity to see who is the real deal and who isn't who is going to stand on that floor and make an argument that this will not stand unless it's fair and accurate knowing they're going to be ridiculed labeled libelled slandered targeted. They're going to attack your new wife's in your new kids home that this is an awakening that we cannot even put into words. Bill i have to tell you this is crazy because it's been such a bumpy ride this last few months with the election. And you know it's it's crazy. But i've never been so energized. I am more energized. Because i clearly see who is four america and who is not who in the news media tells the truth and who doesn't who supports president trump. And who doesn't and i think to reenter the peaceful battle with that level of clarity is good and like bill and i wanted to point out that the first thing bill said is the the right way to do it see. That's the difference between the right and the left. The right will say we need to primary them. We need to vote them into the next century. I'll never support them again. Meanwhile the left says. Where do they live. I wanna blow up their camper. How did that happen. I'll tell you how it happened. Number one rhinos just like bill said because the republicans have never been aggressive enough shutting down criminality corruption and a lack of ethics for a couple of reasons. First reason the people that are involved in that might be too powerful and a lot of republicans don't want to jeopardize their future plans. So you're not gonna get a senator that said two weeks ago i'm going to object. I stand with ted cruz. Josh hawley. They're not gonna. They're going to get that phone call and they're going to go so if i don't play ball never get a lobby job in my life. A lobbyist job. So that's that that's the problem with republicans and then on the other side of it. The other problem and this is something we need to accept. Even though it's redundant if the news media just cared enough about the truth we would all be better informed. It's like. I opened the show today. And i had those two stories and both sources lapped it up. They both lapped it up. Both news organizations were excited to take the narrative. Run with it. They keep calling this a insurrection storming breaching attacking. You had a bunch of unarmed people. Push their way in. It was a big thick crowd. And you had some people. Let them in. But i digress. Imagine if the news media covered them like they cover us. If the news media would cover a steele dossier the same way they cover a hunter biden. Hard-drive but you know that's not going to happen so those are the two things that you you're a patriot if you're listening to this show and they're not only purging they're not just purging trumpsters. They're purging patriots. they're purging. Anyone that disagrees with the narrative. Let me give you an example. This happens to be. This is a wonderful example. All right perhaps you've seen this. It's on twitter. It's been posted by several people. They were there. The videos are there. They might be down in a few minutes after they hear this. But united airlines kicked every single passenger off the plane because they were singing the national anthem. And this comes right after. American airlines threatened to land the plane because people started to chant. Now you may wanna take the children in the other room. I yeah go ahead timmy. They started to chant usa usa. That's like sunlight to a vampire right there. God land the plane. There's patriots on board but wait there's another airline involved and you would think after the airlines had their had their financial but handed to them after the democrats and china crashed our economy. You would think they'd be a little more accepting of free speech but apparently everybody's in on it delta kicked two women off they were talking about trump. And you know because you listen to talk radio we can get a little excited talking about trump. We can get a little excited talking about america in the military and how awesome the rally was and that frightened people. I'm thinking probably some young. Liberal men were traumatized by two middle aged women and they were told to get off the plane. Yes because someone can planed and on the way off. This is what worried me. This is the only part of the story that i i'm really concerned with. On the way off someone said what happened. What are you getting kicked off for. And the one woman said through her mask because you know that's mandatory. She said free speech and then a whole bunch of obviously people that don't own a copy of the constitution said get off. Play off god off and i'm like. Wow wow so. This is how we learn who the patriots are. And who has a clue about what's going on. It's exactly what rush said yesterday. It is a purge. it's not just conservatives though you better make sure you stay on board. You better not show up on facebook with a alternative treatment for covid and you better not show up on youtube with a stop. The steel video. 'cause they're gonna get you. We'll be right back on the rush. Limbaugh show the numbers. Eight hundred two eight to twenty eight eighty two. My name is ken matthews guest hosting for mr rush limbaugh on his birthday on the eib network you can wish rush a happy birthday at rush. Limbaugh dot com. I wanna follow up with a little more information on that american airline story. Apparently it was flight. Twelve forty two from washington. dc the phoenix. That's already a powder keg. You're going from washington dc to phoenix anyway. The pilot came on. We're hearing now from the daily mail that trump supporters who boarded the flight were seen on video chanting say say usa. The pilots spoke on the loudspeaker with a noticeably frustrated voice. I'm quoting now as he issued a stern warning to the rowdy passengers. And i've also heard that some were not wearing their mask so i think it's obvious we need to comply eight hundred two eight to twenty eight eighty two but the captain by the way for people who fly and have like. I know there's a lot of pilots in this audience. You know the captain he runs. He runs the show and if he thinks for any reason that anything could be unsafe or distraction airy to to him or the crew he can actually legally put the plane dour every like so. I would keep that in mind. That's why dr most places now. Eight hundred two eight to twenty eight eighty two. Let's go to gordon. stri is at strasburg colorado sir. That is correct sir. Welcome to the rush limbaugh show. Thank you got something for you to think about. Something for republicans and conservatives think about for one man it took almost all of congress it took almost all of media back lives matter antifa. It took judges. Hollywood election officials and maybe even more people across The world to get rid of one man. Think about what we would have if we had a hundred or a thousand of those type of people in office. Wow that was so well put gordon. You just got to tell you. This is what they are terrified about this why they cannot let him run again. This is why they want to impeach him with like forty seven hours left eight days left. They want to impeach him. They want him to resign. They want to charge him with the twenty fifth amendment violation. And they want to charge him with sedition. They do not want a repeat performance. The last thing they want is what gordon just said they don't want you and you and you and your neighbors going. You know trump really pulled back the veil. I need to get more involved. That's the last thing. Chuck schumer once is a bunch of people that actually have brains running in new york or this is the most terrifying thing this is. Why such a good mood because there's been an awakening. There's been an awakening. Look i said it before when the ac l. u. says. Oh you guys shouldn't have. You shouldn't have not trump off twitter. I don't know if you know the whole story. But first heap they. They limited his tweets from his co. account the real donald trump trump. And then they they. He said okay. I'll just go to the white house. One they got rid of that too and this is what is so frustrating. You want to know why people that support trump democrats. Libertarians left right black white. Whatever are so frustrated because it there is no debate. there is no listening. There's no interaction. There's up a mega hat on. You're coming in this store. That's why we're frustrated because we studied history we've seen how history works and all the things the democrats claim to embrace diversity. Freedom fair treatment equal rights. It goes out the window when you disagree with them when you disagree with them they just become cards in the deck to be played against you. That's it that's it because every lawyer in the world should be fighting for the truth to come out on everything over the last several months just like our congress and our senate should have done. That's why this is a remarkable indicator of where everybody stands. It's not so much that you know trump did or trump did that. It's don't you wanna know. I mean if i can just reach out to the pretend president joe biden for a moment. Don't you wanna see the real vote count so you could actually show it to your supporters or are we just going to have to keep this charade going so you can keep your people in line. Personally i liked the trump version of it. I like the trump. let's counted. Let's let everybody see we'll be right back so much more to cover on the rush limbaugh. Show my name's ken matthews. And the number is eight hundred two to twenty eight. Eighty two more of your calls coming up along with a soundbite as the demand telemedicine grows. So does the need for connectivity. Five g. meets that need qualcomm remains focused on giving doctors and patients superior rich five g. Connectivity learn more at qualcomm dot com slash invention age. Ever pull up to a red line. Just look around that man or woman sitting beside you. Who is that person. There's about five million people out on pardon and parole right now and what about the others. You've never been caught the bt killer. Dennis rader was a dog catcher. 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Or wherever you find your podcasts. Happy birthday to rush limbaugh. today is russia's birthday. The website is rush. Limbaugh dot com. And it's still up. Yeah now the chinese have not removed yet. It's exciting rush. Limbaugh dot com the maha-rushie just go and go to the messages to rush section. You see all those beautiful american patriots at send pictures and messages and you can put your birthday message in there as well. I know mr limbaugh will appreciate it. This is breaking news now as the democrats. Try to heal the country and move forward. This is breaking news. This is newsweek. Let me read it to you. House homeland security committee. Chair chairperson representative bennie thompson. Has said that. Senator ted cruz and josh hawley should be put on the no fly list. If they're found liable for inciting the riot at the capital that left five people. Dead thompson is a democrat representing mississippi. Second congressional district said that there would be no exception for elected officials who were found responsible for the deadly incident. Boy this guy staying to the narrative you could say what you want about democrats when you give them a script. They're like george clooney's man they just stick with it. He told the hosts that was interviewing him. There was no question about placing the capital writers on the domestic. No fly list though. There is some debate about how quickly this could be done. We're we're not even a week out yet and the prosecution have begun. I don't mean to laugh but it's kind of part of me is laughing because for years rush limbaugh and other conservative stars have said this. They've been plugged in for years. They said don't let bad people get too much power. Don't let nancy near that gavel. Chill hit you right in the face with it. It slipped out of her hand. And here. we are. Listen to this guy. This congressman thompson. You know what's scary. He is on the homeland security committee. How did that even happen. He's attacking his colleagues because they disagreed with him. And i've got proof in a second from another source. This is going to blow you away. This is what he said. First of all these folks in my opinion can be classified classified as domestic terrorist because of the actions. They participated in on wednesday now under normal circumstances. The congressman from mississippi goes on to say international. Terrorists are on no fly list. And then he just wouldn't stop. He got so excited about the script written for him by the democrat party in the news media he just i'm sure he wanted his close up. Don't all actors want that. I'm ready for my close up. These are domestic terrorist. He went on to say the same thing. A terrorist is a terrorist. No matter who you are so for you. People that know and support Senator josh hawley and senator ted cruz. I would be a little concern now but for you people that just live in america and don't even know these guys and i know this audience is extremely in touch with what's going on but do you realize which just happened. This is communism. You have disagreed with the rulers. You are now labeled terrorist by one of the largest institutions department of homeland security and the committee in congress. You could be put on the no fly zone. The no fly list. Excuse me yeah but it gets better because as you know you have to have republicans selling out. Republicans republicans go to the white house. Initially i'm sorry. The capital to fight for us figuratively speaking. I don't wanna trigger. Don lemon they go to fight for the right policies and the constitution but they always get sold out by their own people in fact. The hill says some republican colleagues are really not happy about holly and cruise though. Gop criticism of the pair tends to be softer than the barbs thrown at the president. See the president is such a wonderful target because he scares the hell out of everybody and most cowards want a pile on. that's what cowards. Do get them from the front. kick him from behind. he's down. he's got eight days left. Let's impeach him five times before the weekend and then charged him with treason. Yeah that's how. The democrat is healing. America with the help of some sell out. Republicans like senator mitt romney as the senate was evacuated earlier. According to the hill senator mitt. Romney was heard yelling. This is what you've got guys. This is what you've done. We don't know if he was crying or not. You did have a lovely sweater on though that guy can wear a sweater. Like nobody's business. Senator ben sasse of nebraska told npr. They're pretty reputable outfit. I mean they use our money. That hawley was doing something that was really dumb ass by challenging the electoral college votes. So there's your gop ladies and gentlemen. This is why the gop in my humble opinion is pretty much finished as it is today and we'll never be reincarnated in this fashion again. Because a colleague of senator. Ben sasse said to the national public radio interviewer. My colleague is really stupid because he's challenging. What he believes is stolen. Vote in his state. You see how it works. Oh but it gets better. Harvard just kicked off all the republicans off their advisory committee. Because that's really it. Look the last thing you want in a college is open minds. that's okay. We know that i went to college. That's the last thing you want. You don't want some professor that listens to all the evidence that's where the indoctrination comes to a fever pitch it starts in kindergarten. Yes timmy is a tree. That's dog you're a woman that's the moon and that car is a man. What so senator josh hawley and senator ten crews are scheduled to be put on the no fly list and this lady flies. First class scene that've been got northfleet gas. We're just stations and others you really. You know it's it's interesting. Say what you want about. Maxine waters but she. She is a wonderful dresser she is truly a fashion eastern. I will say that for a woman who's one hundred eighteen years old. She really dresses nicely. I wanna give her that. She also has a very calming presence as well. This was a rally. She was speaking at eighteen months after. Donald j trump took office and she was yelling at people that voted for him. That's why the threats were there on on the out. Undestanding that can protect the recap detecting sure. We we have to show you that cabinet and a restaurant ask you get out and create a crowd that you can't do that on a plane so i'm just warning you right now. Don't we learned the hard way. Don't even chant shut up. Put your mask on. But you think about that. There was a rabid hatred for donald j trump the minute he became a threat to the establishment. Some people call it the deep state. Some people call it the lying scumbags in washington whatever. He's a threat. He doesn't need your money he doesn't need your love and support. He doesn't need your approval that pretty much destroys both political parties. The news media and academia. There's a man who is so comfortable with himself and the love he has for this country. He doesn't care what you say about him. He doesn't he has a job to do and he's going to do it to give you an idea of that. Just go to the white house website and see what the trump administration has accomplished just in the last five days so why people are marching outside. His home chanting traitor. Treason sedition all this garbage and impeach him or as maxine would say it pays for it if he's getting stuff done so you gotta scratch your head and say tell me again why you want to get rid of that guy with you. Know the economy and the jobs in january of twenty twenty. You can easily check that with the immigration reform. The prison reform the foreign policy the two peace agreements in the middle east building up our military. Not getting us involved in a war or military action during his entire first term. I president to do that and almost fifty years making us energy independent. I mean i could see how if you're nancy pelosi. You can't stand this guy. But i also know why millions of us love him. By the way it's russia's birthday send a message online rush limbaugh dot com on matthew sitting in for rush more of your calls next. Can you play the the sound bite from the leader of the free world president donald j trump on the impeachment. It's really a continuation of the greatest witch hunt in the history of politics. It's ridiculous it's absolutely ridiculous. This impeachment is causing tremendous anger at. You're doing it at. It's really a terrible thing that they're doing for nancy pelosi and chuck schumer to continue on this path. I think it's causing tremendous danger to our country and it's causing tremendous anger. I want no violence. You know what's interesting about that if you go back to. When covid jumped from china over to this side of the pond if you remember as president trump and his cabinet set up to take this on you know what the democrats were doing that. That was the other fake impeachment. That was the other impeachment so it you have to admit again the democrats kind of have a good thing going here. The house actually impeached president. Donald j trump earlier this year while they should have been helping out with covid. They did that based on something that the pretend elect joe biden. Did it's on tape. And now when they should be healing. The country joe biden is continuing the narrative that president trump is. I wonder if he's going to put on the no fly zone. They may not even let them fly in his own plane. Think about that. So these are two moments in history. Where when you ask the honest question. What have my democrat. Representatives and senators done for me. Well they try to impeach trump twice. They're trying to get him to resign. They lied about the twenty fifth amendment. And they're calling him a terrorist and traitor. I mean isn't that what you sent your representatives and senators to washington four to continue to ride this guy right till next week. It is absurd when you think about it. Somebody used the comment. Poor winners or sore winners. It's not so much the sore winner thing. It's just no matter what you do. It's not enough for the left. They want power president. Donald trump threatens to break up the power and put more of it in the hands of the american people. And they're ticked about it. And i want to say one more thing we do salute and we do love and respect just so you know the national guardsmen and the military many times. They're used as chess pieces in big political games by stupid mayors or lunatic politicians. There's going to be between ten and fifteen sales in national guardsmen. At the capitol. I would love to take a survey and we can't do this. And i'm not i'm not going to washington for that but i'm just saying i would love to just go around and ask them. You know off record. So what do you think about your new commander in chief. How about that. Joe biden one thing about all the soldiers now surrounding all the buildings and they put up seven foot fences around all all the monuments and buildings that we pay for in a regular basis. It does have a very communistic look. Does not vary socialistic. Very communist i mean. Aoc has got to be thrilled. Think about it. Ilhan omar oh she must be ecstatic that they can keep us quiet and they can just say terrorist. Let's go to karl in columbus ohio. Hi carl you're on the rush limbaugh. Show you know when. Nancy pelosi rips up the state of the union speech further president last year. She should be charged for sedition. That's not forming a more perfect union as hamble states did it in front of people. Millions of americans tax payers. She should be charged with sedition and any judge that doesn't put that under the article eighteen. You know they should do that. Why can't she be removed homing. That's a great point. I have no answer for that. That's exactly what i thought. I think that the democrats constantly not only behave worse. Then they accuse our president of behaving. But sometimes i see laws being broken and constitutionality being abused the problem is i hate to keep using this carl. But if the news media doesn't have the guts to question it or report on it there's millions of people that don't hear about it and that therein lies our frustration today because as we were discussing earlier in the show conservatives and trump fans when you give us lemons we make lemonade. When you call us deplorables we set up a website and sell hats. That say i'm proud to be a deplorable. And when you say we're never gonna cover you fairly on cnn for the rest of your life. We say okay. I'll go over to one american news network then bye-bye but now they're shutting everything down now that's illegal eight hundred two way to twenty eight. Eighty two speaking of rush. I wanna revisit something. He just said yesterday. Because i don't know if the average person like your neighbor that is busy and their unplugged. I don't know if they understand the scope of what's happening in this country just in less than a week ahead crash. Have you noticed. Ladies and gentlemen a bunch of corporate people. Ceo's vice ceo's cfo's cm's icbm's any number of corporate people are now expressing regret for having voted for trump. I know of one personally saw it happened. This is exactly what happens in communist countries. Everybody that did business with the disgraced individual in this case trump. Anybody who voted for him anybody who supported him anybody who helped him anybody who promoted him anybody who did anything positive. Must denounce them must do it. Publicly must apologize publicly. Apologize for ever having voted for the guy for having been fooled. If you don't you could be ruined and these people in corporate america who did support trump. And they're a lot of them. They need the democrats and leave them alone and the only chance they have is by begging forgiveness. Here's another headline marriott. Bluecross blueshield and commerce bank suspend donations to lawmakers who objected to certify the electoral college vote so marriott hotels Bluecross blueshield commerce. Bank have been told that if they want to remain most favored nation status among the democrat. Party they are going to suspend donations to any republicans who objected to certify the electoral college. Vote back on january six. This is how it works. This is talent carrying one party rule. This is how it works in communist china. It's how it worked in the old soviet union and this is what the democrat party is becoming or has become for a long time in our country and that is a wonderful argument for so many different things as is the case. When mr limbaugh makes the complicated understandable what that also points out is this now you know how much power we allowed our government to take that they can make a phone call to one of us that they can call their citizens their bosses see. It's backwards now. Donald j trump is has been and will continue to turn this around. He's changing the power dynamic. He's changed the dynamic with our enemies with our allies. He's improved the dynamic in this country. The man that they called a racist from the time he came down the elevator because in a wikileaks email the strategist for hillary thought that would be the best way to slow him down in the polls the quote went something like this. You can look for it yourself unless they've taken wikileaks offline but don't worry there's enough. There's enough hard drivers that have it. The quote went something. Like if i remember correctly and podesta was involved in there. Were several other advisers. It was the fall of two thousand. Fifteen trump was starting to get some traction his message instantly resonated with millions of americans including me. I remember being laughed at. I remember people calling my show in pennsylvania saying can't can't can't come on man are you telling me that trump is going to be crews and jeb bush and i remember saying one i don't know if jeb bush could get elected to the city council you see here's why because the uk or england the people that we broke away from. That's their thing we're going to have one or two families and they're going to rule forever and then when we go to court were all wearing wigs. That's their thing that's not our thing. I could barely stomach the second bush. You wanna sell me a third butch you got three hundred and thirty million people in the united states in the best you could do is i think we should endorse jeb bush. You're crazy you see. This is the awakening. i'm talking about. This is that awakening. We've allowed people that work for us. We are citizens in a constitutional republic. We've allowed them to assume the role of rulers. So when senator dum dum and congressman idiot calls commerce bank. Well you better do this instead of saying what they should say up yours. You'll never get a donation for me for the rest of your life. They say okay. I don't want to be attacked on twitter. That's another reason. My grandfather spinning in his grave. World war to combat. Vet and. My uncle larry korean war combat vet their spinning in their grave. All you have to do is threatened and the sad thing about it is some of these. Ceos are loaded. I mean they're loaded. you know what. Ceo's make and. I'm not complaining about the size of the salary. But i'm saying if i was making eighty million bucks. Let's say twenty million bucks as a ceo and some punk congressman called me and said you better back off trump. that conversation would just end terribly. I would use my platform to politically target. That person. it's the reverse now. We the people three hundred and thirty million of us are leading people that are think they're royal rulers target us. You better not get on that side of that issue. What do i mean by that. Well someone who. I have grown to admire since she was elected and i have sound bite here is congresswoman tulsi gabbard and just went since she ran. I would watch the debates to prepare for shows and i constantly would walk away saying like many of us. Oh my god. These democrats are lunatics. Except that tulsi. She seems to be making sense and she can surf. She recently told joe rogan. Exactly what happened to her when she first got to congress. This is what we need to stop. What happened to her. So what we're gonna do. Because i don't want to go off the time here crash. What we do is if we could play this after this commercial break. And but i want people to hear and i think he's being very honest. She's a veteran. i think she's very analytical. I'm just saying that there are good people on the other side. In addition to that when we talk about the left or the democrats please understand. We're not talking about the millions of voters in workers and people that loved their families and our neighbors were talking about the leader's that have stolen so much power that we're afraid of them. Were afraid we'd better get him off the committee we better. We better remove that republican guy. Oh my god. That guy's got a trump sticker on his car. Oh no oh no there goes the meeting. Are you serious. This is america. Ken matthews on the rush limbaugh show. We'll be right back. Happy birthday to rush limbaugh. Today is russia's birthday. And i have the pleasure and honour of guest hosting again for mr limbaugh today and i'm thrilled to be talking to not only the largest but the greatest audience and radio. This is truly exciting. And if you wanna wish happy birthday to rush rush limbaugh dot com. You can go to the messages and get online there rush. Limbaugh dot com my name. Is ken matthews tulsi. Gabbard was recently interviewed. And this is what she said. The first day she got into congress. This is what she said that happened. In the reason. I'm sharing it is when you look at the dynamic of party politics. What the democrats did to bernie twice what they did to tolsey. And what the republicans did the trump and anybody else who exposes that. They prefer to put us before the party or they prefer to put america first. You slowly come to the realization that both parties are the same. It's it's a. It's a fight for power and when you stick up your head. It's like a nail. And when you say to a nancy. Pelosi or to mitch mcconnell. Well wait a second. I thought that the constitution says this and we're supposed to do that. What do they say they say. What honest people hate hearing all of their life. And i know you can relate to this. Don't you hate it when someone says. Yeah but that's not how we do it but but what about. Don't you want to do it the right way and follow the the. That isn't how it's done. You better get in line or you're not going to be part of our club. The generally this has been one of the most frustrating things that i've seen and experienced throughout my over six years in congress that really started When i first went up after i got elected. We're after every election happens in new members of congress they go and they have what's called new member orientation and they give you these books. And here's the maps and here's where your offices and you know all the all the administrative and logistical stuff. But very quickly. I would say within the first few days You know where we i come. Together as. democrats and republicans immediately. Kate democrats go this way. Republicans go this way immediately separated and what we're told right off the bat is look this is about Getting wins for political party. And if you work with the republican that's going to hurt the party especially if you work with the republican that the democratic party is trying to take out. Forget the substance of the idea. Forget the substance of the bill and this happens on the opposite. Side is while republicans with democrats. Both both political parties are our Guilty of this where they're really putting the interests of the political party ahead of the people who voted for us to go and serve them and isn't that a breath of fresh air. That's the truth. That is the truth and the next phase. Is you go and meet with your party. And then your party bosses. Because that's what it is in many cases party bosses not in all but in many cases it's this whole organization is designed to generate revenue for certain people. Just not you which is not and this is what president donald j trump exposed and what he stumbled on and the more president donald trump. I was talking with a friend yesterday and we were. We were laughing hysterically because we were using all these different things. We are remembering all the things that donald trump exposed and and areas of our government that he walked into like a new boss would walk into. May maybe you're in a bad situation. And you finally get a boss in your totally stokes an stoked and and you give the boss tour so there's president donald j trump who's never been government before pretty successful guy understands the greatness of america the love of family god the military gets it all and he says well. Give me a tour so serious. He's going room to room every door. He opens his. What the heck's going on here. Oh this is the copy room. Why are there four hundred copiers two pieces of paper. What what is happening. See once he started to learn and this is only an. This is only an example. So please don't don't sumi once. He learned that there's four hundred copies there because there's a copier lobbyist. That's the brother of the senator. That knows the woman that works at the place where they get inc. And that's why but it's not efficient and it's ripping off the american people. He went every single department. The va the military. The epa the irs and every single dishonest person making a killing off the backs of the american people. They can't stand him and every hardworking person. They like them they do. That's the myth. The myth is that all of washington all of government. All no no. It's not like that at all people who roll up their sleeves and work hard. They like president trump. They want the light to be shown on the dark. They want that we all do. Most americans do. Most americans want the truth and they want another word that the left his hijacked justice so he comes in and holds everybody accountable the same way tulsi gabbard said and then the next phase. Is you go to your party. And they say here's how it works. You always vote with the leader. You always vote with the speaker. If you disagree with the leader of the speaker you'll never get out of decent committee if you're never on a decent committee you'll never raise enough money and if push comes to shove you know like if there's a protest or something that goes sideways will all get on twitter and call you a seditionists got it. I'm ken matthews in for rush limbaugh. We'll be right back okay. I just checked. I'm still on twitter. Which is kind of interesting You can follow me at ken matthews. My website has not been banned yet. Use media dot com. I'm off of linked in. Obviously we're all off of polar and i'm frozen on pace facebook. I'm frozen on facebook. For i think a couple more weeks. I think i said something. Like oh my god. It was terrifying. I said we need to investigate. What could be a stolen election and you can imagine the the response from the script writers. Well well well well well in fact coming up next hour i'm gonna i what i did is i just went on facebook and i had someone else. Get the sound bites for me. Because i can't access my account right now because i'm a trump supporter and i really love american. I'm patriot but i found some leftist. Some of the things they are allowed to say on facebook is amazing by the way. Twitter has purged close to eighty thousand accounts since friday. So it's official. Communism has arrived. Well happy birthday to rush limbaugh. It's russia's birthday and i'm thrilled to be here with you. This is the rush limbaugh. Show eight hundred two eight to twenty eight eighty two. If you're just tuning in russia explain this last week from time to time. He needs a day with treatment. So don't freak out remember. He said that so. He's looking forward to getting back as soon as possible but it is his birthday and you could send a message rush. Limbaugh dot com just as a message area and the in the corner by all those great pitchers patriots that they send in. Check it all out. It's also a great store there so we're kind of we've passed another benchmark here in america. We sometimes people will call us the sleeping giant but but we wouldn't get awake enough and there's a difference between being awake and being woke. There's a big big difference there now. Some people may have been woke or as i like to call propagandize but i think for the first time. Probably i'm gonna go out on a limb here. I'm going to say i don't think we've been this awake and attuned to the government dynamic for a couple of hundred years. That's just based on my limited reading of history. I'm a student of history that's it. I cannot remember a time where so many citizens of see eye to eye. That's another myth. That i get tired of hearing. I get tired of that myth that our country is divided. We need a leader. That will heal us. I get so tired of that. Our country is not divided. The narrative is that our country is divided and that we can never come together unless somebody else does it for us. I like to call this. The fog of cyber warfare. The fog of disinformation the propaganda juggernaut. That's what we're in. This country has continually grown in diversity and success and love and welcoming people. I know that the major news networks when you have a narrative and you're working off an actor script you're not allowed to use fact but when you go decade to decade to decade as of about eleven months ago things were incredible in this country and our rulers were disgusted because many of them had nothing to do with it. They didn't have anything to do with donald. Trump's incredible list of promises made and promises kept so the democrat party which based the democrat platform in two thousand sixteen was trump's a big fat many and he's orange and he's racist and sexist and i can't believe he puts catch up on steak and that's what they ran on and then president trump got in and just rocked it and you know we did. You know he did. I mean you could. You could look to the damage that the governor's did with covert and the power. They were able to control and the way they were able to scare your grandmother and your four year old with the same comment you got to admit the democrats. Aren't that great communicators. Because ideologies for the most part are weak but when they wanna scare the hell they can do it and they've done it but just remember. Our country is not divided our government is and it should be. our government should be divided. There should be constant debate. The debate should be simple. What's best for the american people. That should be the ongoing debate every day. If you're working for me as a senator. That's hard to grasp for senator schumer. It's a foreign concept to maxine waters. But you work for us in every day. You should be arguing. no. I think this would be better know. That would be better. Well what about this. What about that but you stopped doing that. What couple hundred years ago. I don't mean to call out. maxine waters age either. And what are you doing now. What does this policy mean for me. If i sign on if i sign off on this voting machine dominion what will my back end. Take the if. I sign off on this military weapons platform. What kind of money can i get from the defense contractor. See you went. You went off the rails and this is the great awakening in america. Many of us already knew this but now everybody does because we saw you. We saw you on january. Sixth saying the most stupid things saying ridiculous. Things like madam speaker. Why would anybody challenge this election. Because seven states sent dueling electors. You mine is will have said and this is mostly to the rhinos. Because you're nothing to me your sell. Sellouts you minus will have said madam speaker. Why do we have to keep following this constitution. I haven't done it for years. And i've been making all kinds of money and now because there's a crisis to the republic. We all have to follow rules. Why i'm not gonna do it. And they didn't and they didn't and one more thing. Our government isn't broken. Our constitution is a work of art. There are people across this globe that dream of having that level of protection from their government. That's with the constitution is for the constitution was not made to defend mitch mcconnell. So you can't see his investments and the relationship. He has with businesses it. It was made to protect us from bad decisions. That the senate or the congress might make so our government isn't broken our constitution. It's not perfect but by god it's the best thing on the planet. I know people that cry when we talk about the constitution. Not like don lemon crying but they tear up. Not like chris cuomo crying but you get gist seriously. The people that are supposed to run our government. The people that we voted. And we said. I'm putting all my faith and trust in you. Please go to the dark. Swampy place where everybody's rich in pompous and they have no idea what a hard day's work is like. Please tell our story. And mr trump did and that's why they're so ticked off so remember when people say our government is broken. We need to get rid of the electoral college. We did rid of the constitution and we need to get rid of that stupid flag. They're idiots the people that are in. Our government are broken and we have to stop sending broken people to incredible system. We're sending broken people into a system. That's run on honesty where they swearing on a bible or koran but many of them don't even believe what they're doing so we're putting we have this high octane race car and we're putting drunk drivers at the wheel and this is not a joke about ted kennedy. Because everybody knows he was a great driver. We're putting drunk drivers at the wheel and they've never even driven that model and then when they crash. What do we say up time for another car. This is a terrible car. Whose idea was with this car together. The founding fathers and most of america are tired with people mocking the father the founding fathers mocking the flag pointing to the constitution and say see. If we were like cuba. This would have never happened. That's a reference to michael moore by the way he's coming in a sound bite so remember that when someone says oh my god. We're so divided. That's to keep you thinking that. I don't like you or you don't like the woman at starbucks or the guy that's fixing the road they need to keep you believing. Oh it's so horrible world divided. We're not when you put us into a room. among ourselves. we do find. Americans do fine among themselves because of core american values. Then you put someone the room you put someone in the room and they say hey what. What are you doing over there. You're not supposed to be no no. You're black you're supposed be over there. can you're a conservative. Stop getting along with those liberal guys. Stop it get away get away. That's how rulers rule and now we're awake now. We're awake and with that. I will now handed over to michael moore with a lovely effort to heal america and action law enforcement knows that there's more violence ahead they know it right now. Trump and his inner circle his crime family have called for this uprising and they are pleased with what they've seen and they know what's going on unless these white terrorists are arrested. Now en masse there will be people killed between now and election. I'm sorry between now and inauguration day. I can't stress this enough way too. Many police excuse me michael. I think you're overreacting bro. Yeah you're overreacting. Bring it back to take it down. A notch are sympathetic to their white terrorist brethren. They will stand down again just like they did on wednesday and allow the violence to continue. Keep hoping in the back of my mind chew. The music doesn't really can pray. It isn't to happen. We have to treat the seriously. They've already issued the threat just like they did to the weeks leading up to wednesday. We have to treat it seriously demand action. The terrorists saw on wednesday that they could get away with us. They are empowered. They are excited. They believe this is their moment. My friends we are all. Thank you. Michael moore ladies and gentlemen. I'm ken matthews in for rush limbaugh. We'll be right back. Always good to be here with you. Today is a special day because it's Rush limbaugh birthday is kind of exciting because normally as you know rush kind of downplays it and we can really you know we could really go over the top with it and send them all these messages and i can say happy birthday to rush like every other segment and stuff like that so you can go to rush limbaugh dot com january twelve twenty twenty one. Where has the time gone. I'm matthews in for rush. Let's go back to the phones. J. in gainesville georgia jay. You're on the rush limbaugh show. Hey thanks for taking my call Happy birthday to big daddy rush and My question is i listen to ericsson show and he was saying that the republican turnout for the runoff was down thirty percent from the presidential election and that people are signing that they don't believe their votes count that it stolen then it's pointless and so they don't want to vote and then you go and protest peacefully and a couple of knuckleheads you know show out and then all of a sudden everybody's riders and even if nothing happened they still would have been painted as a racist and xenophobic. And all these things and so if you can't vote and if you can't protest what options are we left with You know that is. That's a great question. you're intimidated. And this is a few times during this broadcast. And be honest with you buddy. I'm just not seeing it with. We're hopeful and trump and everybody's kind of let him down and that's kind of the hope on a lot of us so well thunder with understand and that is a great question to attempt to kind of flesh out somewhat of an answer. It won't be as good as a rush limbaugh here but i'm gonna try to fledged it out. Keep in mind that every day of every week of every month of every year the mass media. we're like piranhas on president trump and the media also for the first time that i remember attacked people that supported trump by the second era president. donald trump's first term. What were they saying. Were saying that. Karl georgia and cannon pennsylvania. Or i'm sorry jay in georgia they were saying we are just as bad as trump. We must be sexist. We must be this. I mean i had never seen anything like it. It seemed like the better the job. President trump did and the worst the worst consultants look like some of you may or may not know that political. Strategist rick wilson. He's like wrong every hour but most of them are. Most strategists are wrong. Most consultants are wrong and the funny thing is if the news anchors would just take a breath for example. What you asked about georgia. I don't have an for georgia. Because i thought in georgia they would have stopped the run off until they fix the machines but instead and i don't know how this got through this i know how it got through the system. Sixty judges would not hear evidence. That's how it gets through the system. The supreme court wouldn't even help direct anything where it needed to be directed. That's how it got there. But the fact that many of us believe the election was stolen on the third and then the same process was used to put two more democrats senators in. I understand. that's like a punch in the gut. But i try to look at the glass half full and i think that the democrats have so overextended themselves in every chance they have to say see. We were right. See we did win instead of saying that they say prosecute them arrest them. Put them on the no fly list impeach him charged that guy for treason. Make sure you don't donate to that guy. Don't do business with that woman. So this is the awakening. I'm talking about. I think over the next week or two by the time. The twentieth rules rolls around. There are gonna be just as many democrats as there are. Republicans saying what just happened. Was that legit. And that is the panic because everybody believes that no evidence has getting out but president trump is a fighter and he'll get on a ham radio if he has to. And then you won't be able to buy a ham radio i now they'll call up. Call a major department store and say yeah remember what. They remember what the left does every time. Something goes sideways with any product. You know well. We don't want people having spray pairing. We don't want people having those polls we don't want people having umbrellas and that's how they do it because there's never any reasoning or rationale so the answer is what i always say you stay engaged. Stay positive stay energized. You've got to stay positive. I know it is difficult to stay positive. That is by design. The bad people always need to feel bad. We'll be right back del. Forget it rush. post birthday. send him a message. If you'd like it rush limbaugh dot com. This is the rush. Limbaugh show on the eib network. And of course. I forgot to get him a gift. So holy moly so i'm going to be scrambling that's a great question. What do you get rush. Limbaugh birthday you know. Maybe i'll just go on the message word. Yeah why don't you know never mind. I can't i can't see see. I get both sturdily. These t shirts for gifts because they thought their lovely gifts and when you're dealing with people like bose independently wealthy. What are you get him. But he got so i. I got the latest shirt. I got him. It says stay weird. And apparently he's upset over it. I'm not gonna get russia. Stay weird shirt you know. Maybe i'll get a coffee cup. Eight hundred two eighty to twenty eight eighty two. Let's go to dave in bucks harbor maine. Welcome day to the rush limbaugh show. I can't thanks for taking my call. A What i what to talk to voters like the level of outrage for different things. We seem to be in an era where it's it's all or nothing. I was raised by world war to combat vets to that fought against the real nazis. And they taught us. You know something can be good and bad. And i'm just thinking when you know we had this business that went down at the capitol and not to make light of any of it. But what if you were a black store. Owner in minneapolis No one of these places back in the summer there and yet business that you put thirty five years blood and sweat into was fancy ground and who i watch. Who's saying anything about it now. What are those poor people doing. And you know It was bad what was done there but it just seems like the level of outrageous You know it's like if we get a bushel a clams and there's a couple of broke in it you don't throw the whole bush. Oh is nowadays. If you say the president you know you kinda like the guy was wearing your elevated to level of joseph mangla or something. I mean that. Make any sense at all. No you bring up. You bring you bring up great points. The democrats like people in the media are well first of all. I think there's so many drama queens on the left and and that's a real big issue for example what you said. It's such a great comparison because sadly twenty five people died in the blm antifa or as a friend of mine says the blantyre far twenty five people died in those riots in quote peaceful protest. Thousands were injured over one hundred. Police injured police also died in that but more so blm. Riots were the costliest manmade disaster to the insurance industry while ever ever well over a billion dollars. Well that's it and i. I know people that went to this thing washington and all that was with them as you know they was concerned. They heard that people voted. And and well. I know people right here that they went to vote said no. You've already voted by mail. Lot noise and and you know so there is there was definitely some legitimate stop so they went down they listen to the president and the only thing you know that they was incited to do was was Join hands and pray and sing the national anthem. They didn't so much as drop gum wrapper on the ground and there was hundreds of thousands of like that and there was thousand idiots or whatever that it but they did. But you know you don't put everybody you know blackball everybody now see you. You have the discernment that we talked about earlier in the show. And i thank you for calling dave you have the discernment you can watch the facts and you could see things unfold and you can make your decision. The problem with our news media and the left you will never be allowed to see all the videos of that event. You just will not you will not. It's the same way you're not allowed to see the threshold on a cova test. You're not allowed to see documents involving joe biden. You just are not allowed to and the so the people that stress look let people make up their own mind. I just vote on the science. I just vote on the facts. They will not let you make up your own mind because if it doesn't go their way they're in trouble so they'll hold back the facts and they'll manipulate the science. The sixth of january was an opportunity to ramp everything up and create as another friend of mine says who's a veteran the fog of war. I call it the fog of cyber war the fog of media war and of course if you say war ii just triggered someone. Someone just had to go to. Hr go home now. As i said war but this is what it is we have been at some level of war from the people that hate the fact that donald trump doesn't want to give it up to china. He doesn't want a porous border. He doesn't want to be in debt. He doesn't want more war in the middle east. that's why he did two peace agreements and those people sadly well you you heard with the cut. I play from us earlier. They own giant businesses. they own banks. They want things done the way they want done. The awakening. that's beginning in the weakening that you and i need to embrace is. I don't care what you want done. Just because you're rich or you this that or the other thing you need to go through the proper channels those channels. Are we the people. So every time you hear mitch mcconnell or a chuck schumer say while. How would lowered her. You're right it isn't that's why you're going to be voted out quickly. That's why there's a recall petition. In california there's a petition to start impeachment hearings against our governor in pennsylvania governor wolf. I don't know what the what the count is. Last time i saw it. It was like sixty eight thousand. It might be more now so if you are looking for a peaceful project that is a great one. That's a great one. Now the media may not cover it. But that's okay. Because that's something i always. I always talk about this with bo. That people can think for themselves. Find your own sources. You know where to come to make sure you're on the right track with what's happening. That's why there's any ivy network understand that this is why talk radio has always been under attack because talk. Radio is one of the few places where you can communicate back and forth with the host and the host job was not to push in agenda and that's one of the reasons you know. Look at look at the way people have gone after rush for years. Anybody that shines on the darkness. The response is hey well well. What are you. Turn that off. But that's not how it works in america. that's how it works in the former soviet union. That's how it works there and that's definitely how it works in china and the thing. That's so scary. I think there are people that are criminals still on social media platforms but because they support biden. You know there's people that are not good people or as george bush would say bad hombres. They didn't get banned. You just heard. What michael moore said that to me was as close to inciting something as you can get if you go on the social media platforms. Now you're going to hear and see because it doesn't get banned if it's coming from the left you're going to hear and see people talking about you or me being hanged. Donald trump being exiled from america for ever. Don't let it depress. You understand the dynamic of where we are think about how afraid of one man and one group of supporters. You have to be if you're a sitting. Us senator in the man's party and he's got eight days left and you're still pushing impeachment or resignation or something. What are you afraid of. I'm going to argue that they're afraid. Donald trump is not going to go away. And i pray to god. That's the case. I pray that president donald j trump does from this point on. I hope he continues to help. Make america great again somewhere somehow some way because i stand with him. This is the rush limbaugh show. We'll be right back. Eight hundred two eight to twenty eight eighty two and I got something else for my your here. Another member of the team that didn't want to be quoted but they said there's now three branches of government facebook amazon in twitter. Yes naked all fight over who the executive branches. Let's go to houston texas. This is vanessa. Vanessa you're on the rush limbaugh show. Hi ken thank you for having me on the show and happy birthday to rush. What's on your mind. Well i was in dc on the six and it was a huge setup and the media of course fake news. They're not reporting what happened accurately at all and so i want to shed light on it. I can't post anywhere. 'cause i've been banned on twitter and facebook and tiktok took down on my videos but It was a beautiful thing. There were grandparents their children in strollers and it was a beautiful thing. It was peaceful and everybody was very pro american and when trump took the stage and he came on pretty late he was supposed to be on at eleven I was tired of standing. There didn't standing there since seven. I started walking towards the capital when trump started. But before. I got there. They'd already opened the door. And let about one hundred people in and then they shut the doors. And then they put the barricade around and these people some of them were might have been trump supporters. But some of them were dressed like trump supporters. But we had heard that they were going to be people we were we were told. Antifa was going to dress like trump supporters. I don't know if they were teeth. I do know on the fifth. Three buses came in three travel. Buses escorted by police police escorts. They were not trump supporters. I i was in. I don't know who they were. Not trump supporters three busloads the night before anyway so let in about one hundred fifty people. They shut the doors. They lock the doors. If at the barricades around when the speech is over and all the patriots trump supporters started coming up to the Capital they were shouting usa and stop the steel and enchanting. But nobody was violent. I in fact. I was the very first one at the barricade at the they called the bike rack. And there were a line of police In rye full right year with gas mask on goggles and helmets and they were standing there. And between them i could see. The captain had a captain's hat on and i was. I called them over here from here because they were shooting. At a with tear-gas russia bullets These these rubber balls that explodes. Make a lotta i. We thought firecracker so we were cheering them on. But i'm like site. Sorry that's a typical patriot. That's a typical patriot. Response you hear gunfire and you go. Oh my god fireworks -actly and we're all being very patriotic. And you know we were there because we wanted the bucks to be challenged. We wanted to give support to the people that were challenging the illegal votes because we wanted the constitution to to go the way it was meant to go and The votes to go you know legally and and if there was any question to be examined so that's why we were there. We weren't there to cause problems and we're there to get our voices heard because you know we went to vote and our voices were hard work. Boats weren't heard. We are cases of bought the courts all over the world. I mean all over the united states and the courts turned all down evidence so we weren't heard there so we were hoping that congress would hear us and we were there. And i talked to the captain said. Hey what if you keep shooting with the rubber bullets. You're going to enrage some people and you and this might become not peaceful. I said these people support law enforcement. They're flying flags been blue. Line flags you know they. They support the police. And we're not going to attack the police and everything's cool. Well when they got done with the photo ops inside the building. I'm assuming because after the hundred and fifty people in the building did whatever they did and they let him out the cops open the doors and let them out. Then they lifted up the bike barricades and removed the barricades and let all the trump supporters close to the building. At that point the people started climbing the walls to the first level of the the patio and they're climbing the walls and waving their flags we're here and but nobody was breaking any glass. They weren't break. Roy building kinda celebrating that our voices are being heard. We're being heard. Yea wave our flags building. What is what's your main takeaway from this that you think the media hasn't shared with us well then after. The police walked away and left. A group of people started bashing the windows and the doors to get an and breaking the glass and the trump supporter yelling. Stop antifa up like once again. I don't know if it was antifa. But they thought they were so they're saying stopping people stop and a couple of trump's supporters tackled him to the ground and tried to keep them from breaking the glass and all the glass breaking all that all the fighting with the cops that you see on the news everywhere. That happened after everything. Yeah fide. we're we're before trump was even done speaking all the pictures from inside the capitol. I'm so glad you called. And and i'm thrilled. That you called vanessa and you you are the reason and people like you and us. This is why were being censored. Because you just heard a part of the truth from vanessa. and now they're even scrubbing videos. I saw seventeen videos of this event from a variety of angles and the story. You're getting from the media is bogus and if you ask them to prove it they're just going to call you a conspiracy theorists. That's been the pattern for quite a few. We'll be right back. Thanks so much for tuning in today to the rush limbaugh show. Don't forget to leave rush. A birthday message at rush. Limbaugh dot com. I'm ken matthews. God bless you. And god bless america. The buck sexton podcast. Freedom is our fight this year. 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Louisianas Rep. Richmond: We need ventilators and need them now

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Louisianas Rep. Richmond: We need ventilators and need them now

"Today's kind of getting worse and worse. We had to get a refrigerated truck to store the bodies of patients who are dying we are right now scrambling to try to get a few additional ventilators leers in various offices from the president to the head of health and hospitals. Saying things. Like we're GONNA be fine. Everything's fine and from our perspective. Everything is not fine. I don't have the support that I need and even just the materials that I need physically to take care of my patients and it's it's America and we're supposed to be a first world country good morning and welcome to a. m. joy this week Colleen Smith and emergency medical technician in Elmhurst hospital in Queens invited the New York Times to see for themselves. Just how overwhelmed. She and her colleagues are as a result of the corona virus outbreak. It's one of the hardest hit locations in New York City as well as it's located in Queens which happens to be the home town of Donald Trump this headline by our colleagues at W. NBC underscores the extent of the nightmare at Elmhurst hospital on Wednesday. Thirteen people who tested positive for Kobe. Nineteen died there and Bryce sunrise Thursday. The line for people waiting to be tested stretched down the block queens now accounts for the most cases in the city with more than eight thousand as well as the most deaths of any of the five boroughs. One hundred twenty four people have died. Their New York City remains the epicenter for now of the Global Colbert. Nineteen pandemic with more than twenty six thousand cases. In New York State. Overall there are now nearly forty five thousand people who've tested positive for coping nineteen this is the highest of any state by far in five hundred in nineteen people have died we now add another daunting milestone. The United States now has the most Kobe nineteen cases in the world after surpassing the one hundred thousand mark last night with sixteen hundred and five deaths as Hillary Clinton tweeted yesterday. Donald Trump did promise America first. And Yeah when it comes to the most cases in the entire world we are. Unfortunately I governor's throughout the country. Meanwhile particularly New York's Andrew Cuomo continue to plead with the trump administration for help in getting more ventilators and other emergency medical supplies while Donald trump spins his time. Eating up all of our afternoon. Airtime with these supposed press conferences and complaining. Governors are not being nice enough to him. Including the governor of Michigan Gweat Gretchen. Whitmer who says that vendors have been told not to send supplies that are desperately needed to her State and here is what Donald Trump said about the plea from his home state again. The hardest hit state in the nation with this request for thirty thousand desperately needed ventilators. Listen to what he said. New York is a bigger deal. But it's GonNa go also but I have a feeling that A Lotta the numbers that are being set in some areas. They're just bigger than they're going to be. I don't believe you need forty thousand or thirty thousand ventilators you two major hospitals. Sometimes they'll have to ventilators now all of a sudden they're saying can we order thirty thousand ventilators? Well maybe trump is just a little bit mad. That governor Cuomo has become a kind of acting president providing the leadership but Donald Trump clearly is not capable of. I said to the White House. Send us the equipment that we need. Send us the personnel is soon as we get. Past are critical moment. We will redeploy that equipment and personnel to the next hot spot and I will personally guarantee it and personally manage it. So if you send us fifteen thousand ventilators and then after our curve Los Angeles needs fifteen thousand ventilators. We can take the equipment from here. We can take the personnel from here. We can take the lessons from here joining me now. Is Joseph Fair? Msnbc science contributor. He's a Baramulla gist and epidemiologist Andy. Slavic former acting administrator of the Centers for Medicare and Medicaid Services and Dr Kavita Patel. Msnbc medical contributor a primary care physician and former policy adviser in the Obama Administration. They over being here. I'm GonNa go to you first Joseph Fair because I know that you went through a lot of the nightmare similar to this during the Ebola outbreak. And you were in Congo dealing with us. Just walk me through how this should work versus the way it's working. This Brooklyn Hospital Center is reporting. This is from the New York Times. More than half a dozen hospital workers have contracted the virus and close to fifty staff members were potentially exposed by just one patient the hospitals. I who developed symptoms after being in the ICU for different medical problem. According to hospital leaders some of them have been in quarantine. Most worrisome at the start of the week to hospital staff members were receiving intensive care themselves. It feels one employee. Said like an invisible war talk about how this should have been working because you have people who may be coming to the hospital for something else. A heart attack a severe flu something else. And then they're exposed and also potentially exposing other people. How should this be working to try to protect people who are not exposed? Also hospital workers. Well I think the dramatic irony of all of this is. I've spent most of my career responding to outbreaks around the world not just Bala but others flu et Cetera and we have a standard protocol that starts with diagnostics. I roll out diagnostics everywhere. Because that's how we determine who needs to be isolated and who needs to seek care. We pay people to stay at home to keep them socially distanced we issue federal mandates in whatever country were and we. We advised that country to issue a federal or countrywide mandate to lock everyone down. We give them money immediately to stay at home because we know that they need food and supplies and we only urge those that really have the symptoms to come in for care in this case. It's a bit different just because we're urging people not to come to the ers for example just because you're exposing everyone else in the Er is but we don't have a choice at this point in time because there's no dedicated facility so what we would do in cases in other cases of outbreaks. We build those Phil Hospitals. I and that's where we send the patient so we can keep them away from the normal sick people so that they don't contract the disease themselves because they're already in high risk category just being hospitalized that makes sense so basically you would block out emergency rooms and traditional hospitals for somebody who thinks they're appendix is burst or had a heart attack or stroke. They should be going there and field. Hospitals are where everyone who even suspects. They might have Kobe. Nineteen or going. Is that what you're saying? Absolutely that's we spend the majority of our money on messaging building those field hospitals diagnostics paying people to stay home down. So that we can ensure social distancing is happening. And we try to do that. You know maybe not a country wide level if it's localized but in this case it would need to be a country level and we do know that. New York is setting up that kind of field hospital. The Jab at center is being converted for those who are in New York that is precisely what the governor of New York is doing. I think they are fighting as hard as they possibly can to catch up and try to get ahead of this thing let me go to Dr Patel This is another story. This is from the Washington Post. A New York Hospital. Desperate for ventilators is treating patients on a device intended for one. Here's a bit of it and I know that you know this doctor Dr Palladino from Suny downstate. Who's actually profiled in this piece? And says he used this method in two thousand eight when he was working in. Las Vegas The New York hospital that they're referring to his columbia-presbyterian in Manhattan. So is this what we're down to? Because they're not an ventilators essentially they're having to hook two people up to one bene- later this makes. This seems crazy to me but how many people theoretically could be treated on one ventilator at one time right joy and Dr Palino's colleague who I knew and she actually did kind of now a very well frequented youtube video that she did in the aftermath of kind of the Vegas shootings to actually illustrate a trauma setting. And that's really what it was used for how to set up to people on one ventilator. It's now being used not just in New York. It's actually being used right now in Michigan and in other hot spots around the country figure question of how many people can you use on one ventilator to be honest it it's all being made up at the last minute it's not like there's a clinical protocol that tells you yes go ahead in cove in nineteen and set up to two one and so let me just stress when you hear the administration and specifically the president say that this is overblown or New York? Does it need all of this? Honestly let him go ahead and try to find the protective gear to go and himself look at what's happening on the ground and just to add to joy you've talked about this in other settings we've got a disparities issue one borough compared to the other and that's revealing the cracks and the populations that these hospitals are trying to serve. They are desperate for some sort of help. And that's where we need assistance today and let me say with you Dr Patel be let me stay with you Dr Patel there's also a nother story in the Washington Post that you're having hospitals considering universal. Dnr Do not resuscitate orders for Corona virus patients. The worry that all hand responses may expose doctors and nurses to infection prompts debate about prioritizing the survival of or the one these are draconian terrifying things that we're hearing coming out of hospitals. Is this something that you've heard of. Before no joy none of this has ever been heard of before and just to kind of level set any of these scenarios any of these scenarios kind of would be unprecedented and if a doctor even mentioned the idea of a universal blanket. Do not resuscitate might be grounds for dismissing that doctor from practicing. But that's what it's come to an end by the way all my colleagues that are working on these hospitals in the front line have told me that they are actually desperate for some sort of guidance. Because they do not want to be the ones making decisions for other people and in particular all these patients. There's no family member. There's nobody there to hold their hand. If they're dying they're all they're doing what they can in isolation enjoy just even paint a more grim picture. They're doing a lot of procedures through the equivalent of Saran wrap. I mean. That's what's happening around the country. We have such little protective equipment getting to these doctors and nurses and therapists that they're trying to stitch together. What they can so make you miss about ventilators and focusing something that is absolutely not true is yet again another hoax by the president that called this a hoax in the first place. Yeah I'm GonNa to bring in a moment I wanna go back to Joseph Air for just one moment because the other issue and I talked to you about this in your ear about in thirty rock so I know you know. I'm obsessed with this idea that we're still not testing enough people. The idea is that if we were mass testing could delineate who is potentially exposed. Who's not you could get more data. We're still not doing it. This is from Arizona California Maryland about the shortage of testing supplies an Arizona representative. Greg Stanton says the test kit shortage Could End Corona virus screening. California hospital is running dangerously low on swabs for virus testing highlighting yet another obstacle that we're facing in terms of testing. I'm just so scared. Headline as more marylanders secrets tests shortages of kits rattle. The sick. I am frustrated and I think a lot of people that are covering us are frustrated that we simply cannot test enough people and I confused as to how a first world country cannot rollout enough tests to match the number of humans that live in this country. I don't get it. Can you explain it well? We didn't engage the private sector early enough on and we are where we are. They've been engaged now and they're ramping. Up Quickly Abbott. Just yesterday released that. They have a new fifteen minute tests. That could be a game changer. In this but of course it's GonNa take time for them to ramp up their supplies and one test is not the same as all of the tests. So each of these individual companies that are committing their individual tests will have to be approved. There's the test for acutely. Are you acutely ill. Which is the SWAB test? And there's even problems with the supply chain swabs themselves. I had colleagues in. The industry told me that they can't import swabs from China because it is under the new trade restrictions that we implemented last year on the type of cotton being used so these are regular cotton swabs. But we can't import them. Due to trade restrictions so every part of the testing is becoming complicated everything from trade restrictions to ramping up to getting it through the FDA so engaging them late put us really behind but now that they are engaged slits hope that at least that that's a silver lining that they'll be able to ramp up the testing past enough to get nationwide we are seeing shortages everywhere so we have actually absolutely no idea where we are on the curve or how steep that curve is right now when we talk about flattening the curve. Okay so I wanted to ask him Andy. Slavic hold on some little bit of a technical things going on. But I do have some questions for you andy. So let's take a break. We'll come back. We'll have Andy Slava. Join this conversation to just give us one minute. Here's some commercials. We'll be right back. Eric Worth says China did a lot. Dale in it was good for the. Oh why CAN'T MISSISSIPPI? Well I will tell you that. Mississippi is never going to be China. Grew make the decisions that are in the best interest of Mississippi and Mississippi Governor Taint res. It's just one representation of an apparent hesitancy among red states to implement strict measures to slow the spread of Corona Virus Governor Reeves. This week signed an executive order aimed at limiting physical interaction but which still declared most businesses in the state to be essential and so really able to remain open so far blue states like New York. I've been the hardest hit but cases in the rest of the country are rising fast such as in New Orleans Louisiana where the number of cases and fatalities has skyrocketed some are pointing to the Mardi Gras festival season. As a reason for that more than a million people gathered in the city over the weeks leading up to Mardi Gras Day on February Twenty Fifth Democratic Congressman Benny Thompson of Mississippi and Democratic Congressman. Cedric Richmond of Louisiana. Thank you both congressman for being here Carbon Thompson. I'm going to start with you. I have you been in communication with your state's governor about this resistance on his part to close the state down to slow the spread of the virus. Well we've sent the governor letter sharing with him. What concerns about his statement as well as what my office as chair of the House Homeland Security Committee can offer him one of the things joy that everybody will tell you that in this time of crisis. Accuracy and transparency is important. So what we're trying to say to governor you have to be truthful You have to make sure that what you say doesn't create a situation that's worse so I'm optimistic. He's a new governor and every now and then new people make mistakes so I'm looking forward to him. Providing a little more definition to what is executive orders mean but the thing is it seems that ideology is trumping to to use the term. Sort of logic right. I mean you've had the Governor Mississippi. Say Well we're not going to be China and taking an ideological approach to this sort of the idea right. He's sort of taking a libertarian. Approach to saying well should shut down businesses but people's lives are at stake at what point? How much time does he get to have? And how many people are going to die in the meantime think again? He's new. This is his first time being in a crisis like this. I hope he's consulting with experts on what he should be doing. And isolation is important. You have to separate people all of the health experts saying we have to do it. So I'm looking forward to him stepping up and saying look as your governor. We can do better. I'm going to do better. I'm not going to override. Local mayors and local supervisors and what they do. I'm going to work with them but I'll provide the leadership. I'm not getting into philosophical. Law Will China other countries. If you look at what South Korea did they did a wonderful job again their hands around it but what the leadership in that country did was they locked down the country so that people could not move around and so what we're going to have to do here in. Mississippi is something similar but gun shops and a lot of other places not necessarily businesses that we need to have carson returned because it it it seems that we are speeding toward a red state blue state dichotomy in terms of being able to control the spread of covert one thousand nine. We're blue states are being very aggressive. Even some with Republican governors like Maryland Even some purple states like Ohio being being very aggressive about trying to implement the logical that what scientists say needs to be done and you have a lot of red states and I'm thinking you know not just Louisiana but Florida Texas and other red states that are saying we're not GONNA do it. The problem with that is we're one country where people can travel from one state to another and some of these states in the south also have not expanded Medicaid. They don't necessarily have the strongest healthcare systems and these strongest sort of systems for making sure that people who are poor are ensured. Are you concerned that there is going to be this breakdown? I mean Mardi gras still happened in the midst of pandemic. Well let me just say this about Mardi Gras. There were no red flags. There were no warning signs for our mayor. Any others to see and look. I look forward to the day when we get past this as a country and then we can start congressional hearing so that we can find out who had what information win in who they gave that information to. But now's not the time to do that We have to get past it. I believe that Although we're red-state my Democratic governor my mayor and my other parish presidents are doing incredible job under very difficult circumstances and showing real leadership leadership is not about making the popular decision. It's about making the necessary decision and so they're letting science dictate what they do and I would just hope that Other governors would follow. I mean Jackson Mississippi where the capital of Mississippi is only two and a half hours away from our capitol in Baton Rouge. Those governors should be talking whatever they do affects what we do. And what are people do affects? What happens to them? So we really should be better coordinated. And let me just ask you Congressman Richmond is Louisiana. And you're right. There is a democratic governor has been elected there has medicaid been expanded in Louisiana yes Medicaid has expanded and we've been making substantial gains in healthcare but I will tell you that this is sitting as hard If you look at Our deaths and I believe the number death we have his one hundred nineteen a death but if you look at our children living in poverty twenty eight percent if you look at obesity. Thirty six percent of the people in the state if you look at diabetes and then if you look at the people who have died from this Corona virus You will see that. Forty one percent of them had diabetes Thirty one percent of them had a kidney disease and only five percent of them didn't have any underlying conditions so we really need to focus on The health outcomes of everybody but the thing I will say is that we need ventilators. We need ventilators. We need ventilators and we need them now. And so That's the plea making and if your health professionals out there You can go to Lava Dot D. H. Dot Louisiana Dot Gov and Sign Up Delta will fly you here for free if you willing to volunteer so nurse respiratory therapists anybody else. We need all hands on deck right and we will not be divided as a country We we beat everything But we'RE GONNA. I'll have to come together. Do It in Congressman Thompson. The the challenge however is in a state like Mississippi that has not expanded The affordable care act has not expanded Medicaid Whose government is extremely conservative when it comes to spending on the poor And which has the largest percentage of African Americans in the country by population as well as the largest percentage of poor people in your state. Sir How do you move a government? That won't move on healthcare even before a pandemic to change its mind and behave differently toward its struggling citizens and toward its citizens of color and There are a lot of white folks down there as well. So how do you change? That government's mind if a pandemic isn't changing their mind. Well there's no question about joy we have a problem. I hope leaders in this state will address it Forthrightly to be honest with you. We did not accept Medicaid expansion. One of the problems we'll have with this pandemic is even if you are identified. There are no president coverage for those persons who are hospitalized. We'll pay for the test but that's all so if you WanNa those unfortunate persons you have to pay your bill so hopefully in the cares package that we passed in Congress yesterday. Some of the money will come. But you know in this time congressman. Richmond is right. This was a whole of government approach. All of us have to work together. And hopefully at the end of this pandemic Cooler heads will prevail. One of the things I plan to offer is just like we did. In the advent of nine eleven we will have to come back and look at this pandemic and see what we did right and see what we did wrong so if in fact it ever happens again. We will have the blueprint on how to address it Carson Midday Thompson and Cedric Richmond. Thank you both for being here. Really appreciate both of you and stay safe out there and coming up. We'll tell you what the two point two trillion dollar economic rescue bill means to you and your family. The bill that was put on the Ford last Saturday by Senator. Mcconnell was a corporation corporate down. Bill trickled down as usual. Would it turned into was a bubble up workers first legislation workers and families I? They never thought they would be supporting the provisions that are in the bill that relate to unemployment insurance and how it is expand it in so many ways the bill was Ju Jitsu. We just took bill and turn it around on Friday. Congress passed a historic two point two trillion dollars economic rescue bill aimed at putting a floor under the millions of Americans who've been furloughed laid off or lost freelance in Gig work during the pandemic. So what's in the bill? Well I the good news. The Democrats successfully managed to thwart some of the Republicans attempts at diverting eight away from workers and toward mega corporations. So almost all adults will receive a one time payment of twelve hundred dollars with an additional five hundred dollars each per child and those have been laid off or received monthly employment insurance payments which have been plus up with an additional six hundred dollars per week on top of what you would normally receive for most states and there'll be a much-needed oversight committee to monitor the staggering five hundred billion dollar assistance program to the country's largest employers which Republicans and Treasury Secretary. Steve mnuchin insisted on as the White House negotiator. The oversight is designed to ensure that the money benefits workers and is not diverted to corporate favorites like stock buybacks to boost the company's share price and fat juicy. Bonuses to the CEOS. So that's good news well now the bad news. Republicans still found a way to get their agenda into the relief report. The leaf effort last week. Department of Labor announced that they are instituting three-month exemption in waiver to some affirmative action obligations in certain federal contracts like construction. Also it's hard for most Americans to swallow the idea of five hundred billion dollar corporate bail out at all when according to the two thousand eighteen. Us Small Business Administration a whopping ninety nine point. Nine percent of all businesses qualify as small businesses not corporate giants and. We should be clear that this bill is not a stimulus bill. So that's not designed to stimulate the economy by encouraging you to go and spend money. It's designed to keep the economy from falling off a cliff. The proper term for is an economic rescue bill and among those not being rescued cruise ship companies. Which are often incorporated in other countries to avoid taxes but never fear. Donald Trump is still donald trump and on Thursday. He actually encourage companies to circumvent that little loophole by registering their little headquarters in the US. So they could go up some of that. Sweet sweet bailout. Cash donations discuss the details. Steph hairs the forming acting secretary of Labor in the Obama Administration and said. Let's go through the bill on the on the positive side how do workers who have been displaced actually get the money Is it just explain the difference between the lump sum check and the monthly checks right so the first of all good morning joy The morning check from the treasury should simply arrive everybody who has filed a tax return and people who are on social security who have not filed a tax return. The IRS already has your income information so if your income is below ninety nine thousand dollars a year. You should receive a check sometime in the next few weeks secretary. Mnuchin says it'll just be a couple of weeks. I think it's going to be a little longer than that or direct deposit even longer than that protects. The monthly unemployment checks require you to file with your State Unemployment Insurance System. So you need to try to be patient. Wait for the website to work. Wait online at a safe distance at the unemployment office file. Unemployment claim you'll need to give them a pay stub or a W. Two form showing how much earning and then they will process that. And then you will get your plus stop unemployment insurance benefits. They added six hundred dollars every unemployment. Check they also expanded the group of people who can get unemployment insurance so GIG. Economy workers freelancers other independent contractors. Self employed. People can now get it. That's very very very good. News but U unemployment unemployment insurance system was hit with a soon Nami of claims. So please be patient. Yeah and that's a good point because I'm thinking a lot of people are trying to get on and the system is crashing or they're not getting through on the phones to just be patient there being backlogged enslow so just to reiterate because I know a lot of freelance employees. A lot of the people who do our hair and makeup in this business. They're not doing it now. Obviously but those folks are freelancers. People who drive lift people drive Uber. People who work a ten ninety nine and paint houses? You're saying they also will be able to collect the unemployment insurance part of it and the lump sum. Yes all get a lump sum but very important in order to get that lump sum. Check what I'm calling stimulus checks. I know you're not using that phrase but the those checks will come to people if they have filed tax returns in two thousand eighteen or two thousand nineteen. So if you haven't got your tax return and go ahead and file it just a ten forty Ez get it in there so that they will have the information and by the way opt into direct deposit the Democrats stand up. Sorry go ahead. No I was just GonNa say you're you're exactly right in praising Speaker Pelosi and leader Chuck Schumer for the amazing job. They did in transforming gigantic corporate giveaway bill into a workers first bill and one of the ways they did that was to expand the group of people who are eligible for unemployment assistance. They created a new program called pandemic unemployment assistance. That will go to those people you were talking about. The independent contractors the freelancers self employed people people who are working in the GIG economy. That's critically important because those people have been left out really since the beginning of the unemployment system yeah absolutely Bernie. Sanders had an epic rant on the floor where he was doing his arm waving and yelling. And I think quite rightly at Republicans who were aghast that you know people who are unemployed who are lower income working folks would get like a tiny bit of extra money. You know what I mean. But they didn't mind giving five hundred billion dollars to these big corporations. Let's talk about that bailout because it bothers a lot of us a lot of folks out there that watch. This show bothers me personally. I've been reading about it on twitter. Sorry Boston's been ranting about it. These companies McDonald's Walmart Amazon. A lot of these companies. Don't even pay taxes. They got a giant. GimMe a more than a trillion dollars on from tax. Break that Donald Trump's shove through with Ryan what Paul Ryan was speaker. They got the money. I struggled to understand why they can't use the money. They banked at the time to save themselves. Why are they back with their hands out? How can it makes sense that they should get more money and get more money than small businesses get collectively as another bailout? I struggled to understand that. Can you explain it? I'm not going to defend it. I'm simply going to try and explain the logic and again how a Senate and House Democrats made a bad situation better. They were successful in conditioning. The receipt of that money on workers getting payroll checks burst so in order for corporation to be able to take money either under the big business bailout that five hundred billion dollar pot you were talking about or for small businesses to get their money in the three hundred and seventy seven billion dollar small business loan facility? They're being very very strongly incentivized to keep people on their payrolls. Now that's important because as I said we've got sue. Nami of unemployment claims coming in because people are just being shut out of jobs because their businesses are closing down if we can help their business to stay open and keep those workers on their payrolls required that they keep those workers on their payrolls. The economic situation is going to be a lot better because even in the best of circumstances unemployment insurance is only temporary. We WanNA keep on their paychecks as long as we possibly can so good for Schumer good proposing that they got that in there but I share your concern that this is going to be a massive giveaway to some of the wealthiest corporations in the world. Some of them are in truly dire straits. But maybe they shouldn't have done those stock buybacks. They did after the tax cut. The president trump callow a man. You get not a Sunday but I'm GonNa give you a Hallelujah. Let's talk about The this due to let's do the airlines. I and by the way I have a suggestion for an oversight board to oversee who gets that money I'm going to suggest Elizabeth Warren Bernie Sanders as the two senators and three house members. Adam Schiff Val demings because yes she used to be police so she could take what you're doing and Katie Porter. That's my panel. You guys pick your own Sort of Favorite panel. Let's talk about the airlines because the flight attendants union flight attendants union. We've had the head of the flight attendants union on this show. She's been a lot of Lawrence O'Donnell they actually worked at a pretty good deal. Can you explain it now? The airlines will get bailed out but there are very big caveat on that bail at that are going to be really good not just for flight attendants but for baggage handlers and cleaners as well right so let me just say. This is the difference between having a union in America and not having a union in America. And let me say it helps a lot have a great union leader like Sara Nelson who leads the flight attendants union. What they've done is. They've negotiated that that money is not merely going to go to the airlines. Who are going to be required to keep as much staff as they can possibly keep pilots flight attendants machinists but also working with the service employees union. Making sure that all of those contractors and subcontractors the people who provide food but people who do cleaning the people who are gate assistance in some cases that those companies also will be able to get some of this money and we'll be protected as well and we will be able to keep their jobs because that's one of the industries in America. That's been hit hardest because travel has effectively shutdown not only in the US but around the world so outstanding leadership and and been the union movement really proving. Its worth in this difficult time. One hundred percent lastly. Let's talk about small businesses? I have friends that own restaurants that are in the businesses that are employing lots and lots and lots of people bartenders waiters etc. What will small businesses construction companies little tiny businesses the ones who keep our economy afloat? What are they going to get? And how did they get well? That's that three hundred and seventy seven billion dollar pot of money. It's going to go out in loans to those businesses. If they use that money to keep people on their payrolls the loans will be forgiven. So it'll essentially be a grant so the real incentive again the Democrats in the House and Senate got this done. They really fought for this. The goal is all about trying to keep those bartenders. Waiters Construction Workers Service employees and others on the payroll at they're a regional paycheck level. Their usual paycheck and that way they'll be able to support themselves and also and this is critically important. It will keep the business functioning so that we quickly recover when our economy is able to open back up if we have a bunch of small and mid sized businesses. Going bankrupt liquidating people just walking away because they don't want to acquire more debt. They don't WanNa have to pay rent on empty storefront. Then we're going to recover much more quickly of those businesses die. Those workers are lost. Then we're in big trouble if we can keep them going for as long as we can. We have a chance of getting a quick recovery from this pandemic virus. Yeah absolutely except here while. You're really great can you? Can you come back another time? We'd love to have you come back and explain more this. This is the stuff people really need to know available anytime. Thanks for having me on. Thank you very much. Yeah we definitely want to have you back and listen to all those viewers out there. This is the importance of government People say I don't understand how government affects me. I don't understand why elections affect my vote. Doesn't count this is proof. Your vote counts. There's a big difference from having democratic government Republican government. These two parties wanted very different. Things out of this bill You should really take Mansi Pelosi Democrats. They really came through Chuck Schumer. Nancy Pelosi you guys did a good job you made. What would have been a terrible bill? Big giant horrible ugly give away to the biggest businesses into something. You're actually GONNA get something out of so it ability perfect but it's better than what it would have been coming up one of the exonerated central park five in how he thinks. The criminal justice system is handling the virus outbreak as a senior citizen. A are you willing to take a chance on your survival in exchange for keeping the America that all America loves for your children and grandchildren. And if that's the exchange I'm all in I want to live smart and and see through this but I don't want the whole country to be sacrificed if you pick. It sounds crazy but the Republican governor of Texas is suggesting that your parents or your grandparents grandma and GRANDPA should essentially people to die for the sake of the stock market and the economy. It's important to remember that. He is not a lone voice screaming from a banana boat floating through the conservative world. Take a listen to what right wing radio talk. Host Glenn Beck told his listeners. I would rather have my children stay home and all of us who are over fifty go in and keep this economy going and working even if we all get sick. I'd rather die than kill the country because it's not the economy that's Diane. It's the country Okay you don't have to be a PhD episodes to understand the idea that if we have to decide between saving lives and saving the economy that would be a reckless and false choice. Although many ethicists have pointed that out. We can't actually do both. We have to fight this outbreak. Which is the thing that is causing the economic chaos? And yet you have. People like the billionaire chairman of the payroll processor paychecks. Who told Bloomberg quote the damages of keeping the economy close as it is would be worse than losing a few more people a few more people? Don't feel more people yeah. Sure let's let them die for the trump economy millions of them. Just let them die. As Hunger Games approach seems to have been inspired by At the very top by Donald Trump who had been pushing the reopen American business by Easter when services would presumably be packed with people placed by the president in fresh jeopardy dying from Kobe. One thousand nine hundred all based on a back to work order that trump actually does not have the power to enforce well as of yesterday trump has apparently for some reason decided to listen to the medical experts. Finally and he's walked back that Easter timetable on Monday. We'll be the end of the fifteen days. Slow the spread of the virus. Do you expect that you will simply renew the guidelines or do you expect that there could be some modification to John. I'll be sitting down with this. Brilliant woman this brilliant man and lots of brilliant people that work with them. I think right Deborah Tony and we'll be sitting down on Monday. Maybe Tuesday depending on which is the best for everybody and we'll be making that determination now. Seems like a lot of things get to watch out for. What can I tell them? If it's your life then it's your safety and if we need more time they're not gonNA have a problem waiting it out joining me now. Tom Nichols opinion columnist for USA Today. Maria Theresa Kumar President and CEO. Of Voter Latino David Kay Johnston founder of DC report DOT ORG and opera. It's even worse than you think and Korean jean-pierre of move on Dot Org and author of moving forward. I think David Johnston you win the battle of the book. Titles that are appropriate to the moment. Somebody go to you on this. I the idea by Glenn Beck by the Lieutenant Governor of Texas and others is that people over fifty should be prepared to die that we should be prepared to lose two to three percent of the American population which I'm not a mathematician but that's millions of people more than what two million people should be prepared to die in order to keep the stock market bullied and keep the economy humming in a country. That is shut down because lots of people are dying as an economics guy does it. How do you strike? Just the ethics of it are insane. It's banana ramic crazy. But what do you make as an economic principle? While these are religious people are clearly religious people who worship in the house of Mammon and if they got me moral training they have clearly lost sight of it They've forgotten about the sanctity of human life. The the size of this problem is enormous I wrote a piece week ago pointing out that if this lasts eighteen months which is the official position in writing of the trump administration. The minimum cost is going to be five trillion dollars if it lasts two years as the German health officials say we're looking north of seven trillion. Those are very conservative numbers that I calculated so the cost is going to be enormous. But what about human life? What has happened to respect for human life? It is atrocious. To hear elected leaders particularly those who talk about as Glenn Beck and the Governor of Texas about their religiosity to take these kinds of physicians. Well log on this. Tom Nichols because the reality is. Is that the pro-life Party is very much pro birth but after birth. They're not so much for pro-life I've heard very similar arguments made as to why we should have unlimited gun purchasing any kind of gun any kind of weapon up to things that you use any war Should be purchased because some people have to die. Well you know it's worth it to have my Second Amendment Liberty so I've heard this kind of argument before this one is it is it is on the Jim Jones scale of saying that Lee. They're they're claiming the wheat sometimes morphs into they real quick. When people make these kind of pronouncements but people over fifty should be willing to sort of to kill themselves essentially to put themselves at risk of certain death by going back in and working and working and working in getting on the wheel so the economy will be strong it is a doomsday cultists. Sort of way of speaking is this where the Republican Party simply morphed or is this just a worship of Mammon as as David Kay. Johnston has said we don't have to pick between those two part of what you're seeing is a Republican Party. That is now trying to bend itself and twisted like a Pretzel to get around whatever position they need to stake out to be on the right side of Donald Trump. But there's always been this kind of weird inconsistency within the Republican Party Conservative Movement. That is pro-life when it comes to abortion cheers on the death penalty and now it has decided that. Perhaps some kind of voluntary euthanasia Were self inflicted. Euthanasia is worth saving the economy. It's a it's it's always been inconsistent position part of. It's been so that people on the right can stakeout. What they believed to be ultimate moral high ground of being pro-life anti-abortion and therefore you can't by taking that position. You can't argue with them about anything else. Because they believe the state. Dep is brown there is. I think what we're seeing now to show. How completely intellectually incomprehensible? That whole position is yeah riches. Come I picture people in their sort of setup sort of wheezing their way through the wheel because they have to turn the wheel for the economy that it's all about keeping the gold flowing and that the gold must flow even if you're if you're dying in the process of working. I don't foresee them seeing themselves doing it. But I think they I see somebody having to do it and you know when I interviewed Michael Steele for for for the latest book that I wrote and he described this moment as as almost the worst as almost bowel ISM is the way he described it as sort of the golden calf and that the Republican Party is would have reached that golden calf moment. He's a former seminarian so of course he described it in religious terms but it does feel like there is a statement and for Donald Trump to say who is the most irreligious person we've ever seen in public life to induce this very hard core Christian audience to believe that it strikes me as not just rhetoric because people do whatever he says. And you see. Governor's doing what he wants in Florida in red states in Texas. That's the danger. They might do it. They might have their people go back to work or some I mean Mississippi is saying that they are considering it. This is. This is what happens when you have someone that his only worship is himself and he is putting the public at danger when you say. Go back to work. Because the economy's humming the economy. For whom if what he is doing is exposing individuals to public danger. We know that there will be deaths. We are fundamentally we are. What makes us unique from other species is that we feel we love and we care and when you're saying that our loved should be exposed for a for money it doesn't make any sense and its mouth of public servitude. When you see leadership you WanNa see the the leadership that we're seeing governors in Cuomo Gavin. Newsom where they're taking care of people and saying there should not be false equivalency of who actually should get a ventilator but did you say safe. It is our public duty as individuals as American public. To make sure that we're taking care of each other and that means stay home as long as you can. China just open themselves up after six weeks of quarantine because they recognize that they're human their humanity is far more important than losing in the short term. But it's still long term that we should be looking at 'em fundamentally again. This is a moment for someone in that in that Oval Office to say we are all Americans. We're all in this together and we have. Here's every single day. Join just look at our public health. Workers look at the individuals that are delivering. Our food look at individuals that are at the frontlines. Picking our flew to make sure that there that the basics do not get as do not stop he should be highlighting those individuals and say together. The American people will move forward at this idea that I have to give up grandma GRANDPA. That's that's that's fundamentally crass and that is not who we are right and there is culturally in a lot of cultures a great reverence for the elder right. There is a sense that you and defend the older person you know at all costs. We love our grandparents Godmother. Who's eighty-six my aunts or eighty six at eighty five? These older citizens husband's grandma is in her eighties. Like these are the people we treasure. And they're seeing join their sages. They are the ones that help us navigate. And they're the ones that share their wisdom. I've had these conversations with my grandmother and she remembers when when she had to leave her husband to go when he had to go to Korea and the real sacrifices individuals had to make in real terms of war. Talk to any veteran right. Now who has a loved Ordinate Ghanistan? Who's sacrificing themselves and for for us to say. Well you know what? I can't stay home for six weeks because that's just too much trouble. Shame on us. Yeah absolutely in Korean. Exactly there are people in this country who sacrificed during World Wars right and went through the depression and for the president to be screaming in agony and some of these governors because people have to stay home for a few weeks especially when dimmer thanks to Democrats at least workers are going to be you know have some money in their pockets are not going to go broke. We're still trying to hope. Maybe Jared Kushner can stop can stop demanding rent from Biz ways. That people could be compassionate. I have been shocked by the lack of compassion on the other side and the the only compassionate seems to be very very very big businesses and not for people it is. We knew that the philosophy was randy input. Boy this is randy and stuff is brutal. Yes that's exactly right joy. Look we have a moment where donald trump is a cult leader and he's turned the Republican Party into following him in this kind of Coltish very cultish way and it's an incredibly dangerous because people are dying. This is people's lives that we're talking about it and you said it right. We cannot talk about the economic recovery until we deal with the public health What's going on right now with this crisis. And here's what's happening. It's yes it's about the big companies and money but it's also about Donald Trump's political reelection his own survival and he's following his political gut if you will. That's overwhelmingly wrong. So He's not listening to the scientists. He's not listening to the experts. What he's doing is he's thinking. Okay how am I going to get reelected in November? How am I going to survive? And not get blamed for this because remember. He has no responsibility for what is currently happening because although he knew about this two months ago and did absolutely nothing. He's the one who said we don't need the test from. Who the World Health Organization? He's the one who's saying. Oh Yeah we don't need thirty thousand ventilators to save people's lives. He's the one who's been lying to the American public. He's the one who's been downplaying this threat and look by saying and I know he sorta kind of stepped away from it yesterday as you were saying earlier about reopening country on April twelfth which is so incredibly ridiculous. Nobody agrees with him on that one expert would say that is the right thing to do but this is where we are. He is thinking about his own political health and not the public health. Yeah all those passes out there. Please do not mean for Easter please. It's not safe. Let me go back to David Johnson Vermont. Because at the same time the reality is for people who work particularly hourly workers gig workers people who drive uber waiters waitresses. You know if if they have to wait for weeks to have any money in their pockets. Even that is too long. A lot of people are not gonNA have enough money to pay rent. They want to go to work this idea about that. Republicans have put four. If you offer the Dole people will run from the workplace. And I'll sit home. All Day is ridiculous. People WanNa go do their career do the job that they have. What do we do about getting the economy to still function in this moment? Because you can't have people out picking the food that we eat. You can't have people out doing the the the you know. The basic work that makes our economy function because people cannot congregate. So how does the economy not completely implode? How does food still wind up on tables? What is the rational way to have a functioning economy without risks adding people risk death? Well first of all keep this in mind. Everybody is not out of work. Many people are actually going to be better off because of this. They're not spending money and they are getting paid unreadable to work at home if we don't get control of this by using physical distancing a hand washing and the other recommendations of the people who know what they're talking about unlike Donald then we will have a much worse catastrophe on our hands that's the essential ingredient. We keep in mind here We are going to see twenty percent or more unemployment which I've written about and we're going to see problems with workers particularly who don't have unions being forced to go to job situations that are not wise or safe or too close together We've had this issue is already here in western New York with a chocolate making factory. It's been deemed essential. Like you know. We can't live without chocolate for a while. So the important thing to do is to not have the pandemic jet worse through mismanagement and by the way just to be clear as the only grandparent. He can this group and someone who has grown adult grandchildren. I'm not lining up to die for the economy down in front of a killer and exposing spies but I am. I'm not doing it. For the economists absurd. Let's have moral based on what we do. And so we come to follow best practices or will get worse economically. Yeah a lot of us have had our grow to move back because they were like Tom. How do I guess the question would be? How do we then bring a rational conversation about this? To the sort of micro countries inside the United States that are governed by this very arch conservative philosophy of Mississippi Louisiana's changed now because they have a democratic governor. They're more of a mixed economy. North Carolina Change. But we have such a dichotomy between the philosophy of even. Republicans like Mike Dewine in Ohio and Mississippi Governor. How do you get the thing is? The threat doesn't end because one or two states fix it right. They've one or two states react really wisely but then the state next door does the opposite. It's the same problem as guns if you regulate guns in one state but the other state is a wide open market and you can by an AK47 there you. It doesn't help. So how how do we have that rational conversation with very very conservative states and people to convince them to save their own lives? Well two things I think. the magnificent incompetence and self-centeredness of Donald Trump has really been a boon for federalism. Suddenly people are remembering in a way that we we didn't use to. Hey My governor really has powers here my state actually matters and I think we're starting to see it does matter who runs your state. The president isn't the emperor of the United States and there's only so much year one day she can do and so that's been actually. I think a very healthy thing because it's forced people in the United States that to remember that they have statehouses a I think the other thing that's fascinating about this. Is that the real. Acid test of political effectiveness is whether or not your local and state governments are helping you to stay alive and what you're seeing I think. Is You know that some governments are doing better than others at this and I think that rational conversation that you were talking about joy that happens when people start getting sick in places where they think they would get sick and I think that's unfortunate but I've been saying all on that the thing that's GonNa make people listen to doctors and scientists and public. Health is something like a pandemic and on this. I was sorry to be right but it but what will happen is the states around. The states will start taking measures. I mean I'm sitting here in Rhode Island right now and Mike. Governor has basically closed the state to people from New York. So if you're a New Yorker and you WANNA come and stay with me here in Rhode Island. I'm sorry out of luck but To do their best. The State of Rhode Island and the nearby state of Massachusetts said if you're coming in and out fourteen days quarantine that's that's the requirement and I think some of the piano. Those red states with those governors are going to learn the hard way that maybe you know. Science is more important than being part of the cult. Yeah it is. It is to go out and buy the Hamilton mix tape you. WanNa learn about what the whole question about the country would be. Set Up Kumar. Because you can't go see Hamilton right. Now get the race a coupon the other question to do the reverse of that. Is that boy? It would be a whole different country if we had universal full universal healthcare right because you also had per the whole federalism argument states go to court to argue that they could just say no to expanding Medicaid and so now you have some states where people who are working poor and this and I hate to break it to people in the right wing. That's that just black and Brown people. There are a lot of white working poor who do not have health care and cannot pay to get treated if they test positive for Kobe. Nineteen so the next step is bankruptcies. Lots of them and so is this now in a moment when we should be thinking about. How do we really have that conversation again about making sure every American has health insurance or that we go to some other system? I think this is. This is a moment where there's not one person in America who is not crossed their mind can off if I do have covert can Koga nineteen. Can I get treated can? My loved ones get treated. And now is the opportunity. For folks have is really honest conversations of the income disparity of how even if you are considered solidly Middle Class. A visit to the hospital. Emergency Room can basically wipe you out even under ACA. Because there's so much strange happening in the system. There was an individual that went. She got tested. She was on a ventilator. Walked out with thirty nine thousand dollars in debt. Who can do that very few people when we know that the majority of Americans have less than two months of savings in their account. Let alone listening to talk about African Americans or Latinos who have often times less than two hundred dollars in their account on a good on a good so this is an opportunity for us to be really self reflective. It's so interesting. Watching how so. Many of some of these major shocks to our system have unfolded it really parallels what happened the last century joy whether we're talking about immigration conversations of who we want in this country whether it means about transferring from technology from wide industrial revolution from farming Industrial Revolution. We're talking about how do you go to the GIG economy? How do you become tech? Were having these fundamental conversations when it comes even to now the pandemic and it's an opportunity for us to one recognize the importance of public servitude importance of having people who are championing you when it comes to really in times of crisis. The reason that the Democrats were able to pass a comprehensive piece of legislation that is really talking about making sure people get checks to their doorstep in three to four weeks is because member every exceeds income Americans went out and voted in droves in the midterm election. We saw a wave of congressional members on the Democratic side that actually speak to our values. Now's the time for us to continue asking them to think really big into provide a social safety net when it comes to help air because it should because one thing that covert is at record as demonstrated to us is that it does not discriminate based on race or socioeconomic status absolutely in Korean. Jump here you know looks really smart right now. This is interesting because the other question that you know. The rest of the world is talking about whether or not university reversal. Become a thing that we first started hearing about from Dr King that we still are having this conversation and it seems that something like that might actually be a smart idea. Yeah and you were talking about how you know disproportionately how it's affecting if you think about the politics of this which is how. Donald Trump is looking at. This is rule Americans. White Americans are his voters. Those are those same people that are getting hurt as well that he because of his policies or because of the decisions that he's making are hurting and one thing that we're seeing right now in this moment and we've seen it many times before but now we're talking about people's lives and how deadly this situation is is how inept and ill-equipped Donald Trump is to is president. And so what we're seeing is the lack of leadership from federal government but then we see governors and mayors stepping up to fill that void and this is not how it should be but this is where we are and Donald Trump is refusing to use the full powers of the federal government to attack this crisis to deal with this crisis. And this is the situation that were. We're in now and so I have to say thank you to to the governors out there who are stepping up and who are making these really hard decisions on their own and not getting the help that they need from the federal government absolutely and to all those voters up there and I keep doing the whole little voter chat. Little Ted talks when you are hiring the governor or you're hiring a president in those executive positions you are not hiring a religious leader. You're not hiring somebody to back up your beliefs religion in the religious context you are hiring the CEO of your trump of a company called United States. Right think of it as a company if you would not hire this person to run your business to run a restaurant for you. Don't make them president. You have a crisis manager. Who would you want to manage a crisis? That's how you vote. You don't vote based on who you WanNa have coffee or beer with. That's ridiculous you vote for somebody. You think can manage a crisis. That crisis manager got absent in the White House. Right magically never know what to do Tom Nicol that's me that's not my guess. I won't put that on them. Tom Nichols Maria Theresa. Kumar David Kate. Johnston and Korean jean-pierre. Y'All hit me up on twitter if you WANNA complain about when I just next up. Thank you guys for being here next up. We'll tell you if any of the two point two trillion dollars we'll find its way into the trump families hungry pockets. You're going to ensure that the president his family cannot personally benefit from Baylor. Tried to get that in the legislation. Yeah we'll try to figure that out. I think it's against law now but the judges are not interpreting it correctly. Well they did it in a huge win for Democrats. Donald trump and his businesses will not be getting any money from the two trillion dollars. Economic Stimulus Wealth Stimulus rescue package passed by Congress and that could be a problem for trump since many of his businesses temporarily closed because of the corona virus outbreak joining hold reporter for the Washington Post who covers the trump family business interests and dave is also an MSNBC contributor all right so David explain to me how the trump family portfolio is looking pre corona versus the corona virus pandemic. How has how things changed for him? Pretty sharply remember that he does have some commercial real estate interest. Some office buildings things like that. That are a little less vulnerable to shock in the economy but a lot of what he does is tourism writing these people walk in the door every day renting a room every day and so a lot of his tells the UK Ireland in to rally and Miami and Las Vegas are just closed. The ones that aren't closed in. Dc New York and Chicago are like Ed. Ten percent of the normal capacity. They had to lay off hundreds of workers. So you see at a business and he really depends on bringing in cash every day. Almost shut off six of his seven top producing clubs in hotels are now closed and in the one that has been the most egregious. I think for a lot of people that added mar-a-lago which have taken in lots of foreign money because lots of folks are staying the occupancy rate I imagine there is is down to almost nothing so he's no longer taking in that kind of money either right before visitors are coming now. What we've heard from the hotel was a ten percent occupancy. They've laid off dozens of people still open but the restaurants are closed at a lot of it is basically shut down the other issue for Donald Trump is that he's been able to glean a lot of the business and a lot of the money he's he and his family have been able to take in from Federal Fellow Government Workers. Essentially you've had the attorney general throw parties there and use it. You've had the secret service using the secret service paying takeout golf carts when he's going golfing. How much money are we talking about? What percentage of the income that trump has been taking it? If you can estimate has been coming from fellow members of the Federal Government I think what we know so far and it's very very poultry because the freedom of Information Act process has been so slow we know about at least six hundred and twenty thousand dollars worth of income that trump's gotten just from his own travel so when he travels the secret service goes with him and he can charge them whatever he wants and what he's charged him is like six hundred and fifty dollars a night or each hotel room. They use it more Lago. Four hundred dollars a night for rooms at mar-a-lago so it's been a lot of money now. The overall fraction of his business is still really small. As far as we know but I think we still don't know the numerator net equation. Well enough we still don't know exactly how much money he's gotten out of the federal government because none of the trump organization or the federal government will give us a full accounting of it. Yeah there's the question of you know. There have been other hotels that volunteer tickly New York to open up their facilities to help people in terms of using for field hospitals. Or do you use to house. People who may have come through been contracted the virus any reporting that Donald. Trump has any plans to do such a thing. It's happening in New York ed in Chicago. Where closedown hotels are being re purposed in Chicago? They're paying New York. Who tells her volunteering? Now we've asked trump organization at the ebony intention of doing that. They haven't responded in Chicago. We know that they're not part of the program so far. We haven't been able to get an answer out of the state but both Andrew Cuomo and Donald Trump and the kind of person this was happening. I think they'd tell us yeah they would say something. What about the children because Donald Adult children they? They seem to derive most of their income. And you know you're the expert on this from his businesses and things with his surname on them so in terms of their income without these hotels without these resorts and the money coming in from them in the foreign emoluments. That are coming in from them. Where where did they get their money? Well the main source of income if the hotels restaurants are closed is a couple of office. Buildings don't even have their name on them one in New York and San Francisco trump through sort of J. giants stroke of luck a few years ago wound up with thirty percent of somebody else's to office buildings. Those spoke produced a lot of cash. And we'll continue to produce it for a little while but just because it's so hard to get out of leases so the trump organization that coming in but they do have a lot of problems you remember. They had huge outstanding loans on on the Hotel Chicago all places that are either closed or running in a tiny fraction of capacity. Now what they started doing with those loans. Do they start worrying about whether they can pay them? That's our next question. Yeah absolutely and let's talk about jared for just a moment. There is some reporting that rather than relax. The requirements for his tenants and some of his tenants are in some tough positions in terms of his buildings in Maryland and other places that they are enforcing to the maximum that they want their money. What about about his income because a lot of it does come from being not the best landlord? I'm not the world's expert on Jared Kushner have read that Wasn't interesting things at the same time. The KUSHNER companies asking for leniency from its lenders retail space in Times Square that? I've read that. They are having trouble making the payments on so they're forcing people to make payments while trying to get out of themselves. Yeah well they're all on brand at least everyone's staying on Brand David. Farrant hold your branded the greatest reporter eight. I think he went to Harvard. Because see you're little cutback there. Everybody's talking about that sometime. What else he lived next up. Thank you very much for being here next up how. The Corona virus epidemic is taking a toll on America's prisons very important conversation throughout the night posted on social media showed fires raging at Bogota's Modelo. Prison shots could be heard. His prisoners film themselves trying to flee riots over Corona virus panic and prison sanitary conditions broke out in this and other eight overcrowded detention facilities across Columbia in what the government described as a massive attempt to escape deadly. Riots erupted at a prison in Bogota Colombia. This week amid fears the corona virus could be spreading in the facility. Meanwhile here in the United States the prison population is increasingly vulnerable. According to Legal Aid Society Corona virus within New York City. Jails is spreading at a rate. Get this seven times faster than in New York City itself. The spread has already prompted New York state to announce the early release of more than one thousand inmates being held on parole violations and joining me now is criminal justice and prison reform activists use of. Salaam one of the exonerated Central Park. Five and Vince Warrant Executive Director of the Center for Constitutional Rights. Thank you very much for being here. Both of you use if I'm going to go to I talk about you. Know what it means. Let alone for something. He didn't even do but be inside. One of these facilities. How cramped is it? How crowded is it is even possible to socially distance when you're inside of a facility like this unless you are literally in solitary talking about it then possibility probably the most isolated instituted in. Isn't it out. He's in solitary confinement. And the worst part of that. You're talking about a space where people are stacked one on top of another. It's like a personal seizes. One person gets sick the old you can imagine it sometimes. You have five teams so in prison housing. Every single person protea can get sick at one particular point of time. So we're talking about six weeks at it varies This nightmare waiting lists. Yeah and what about the health care facilities? What kind of health care are we talking about like if you have? Let's say a thousand people incarcerated in one facility. Is there a lot of healthcare? Bill where there are a lot of beds available. If someone got sick what happens absolutely not there is no. There's no meaningful healthcare. I mean you've got these data stitch-up staff or the fight or something like that. We're talking about something that means something that will save your life in the crisis of work. Now we're in a need for Labor Crisis. His is one is experiencing. I mean you have people who sometimes it Jimbo on Mondays. I mean this is. I'm trying to. I'm trying to describe where I was and how I feel and how tragic this right now because when I was there there was at least one person herself. When I was leaving there was to herself in the front of the units and it was saying to every single cell on every was gonNA get double box. Which is a nightmare records? And you know Vince. The aside from the fact that we should be conversation a larger conversation about our criminal justice system and how we house people and how we treat people and how we treat people who many of whom are not even guilty what they've done but that's a whole different conversation but in other countries these conditions that use of just describe have led to riots breakouts. Because people aren't just going to sit still and watch. Pearson after person after person gets sick knowing that this is rampant. And so what is? Is there a larger movement to sort of take a second look at our criminal justice system in light of this pandemic there is a much larger movement and in fact most advocates are saying are essentially calling for the same things that they've been calling for for a very long time? Our incarceration system of mass incarceration is just inhumane. There's no getting around it and you put on top of that. A pandemic like this It really requires government to think very differently. And we know that government can think differently. Now we have. The governor has released about a thousand inmates. That people are in technical. Parole the board of Corrections in New York has called for two thousand people to be released includes people with underlying health issues that includes people that are elderly that includes people that are on what are called city sentences nonviolent sentences but the way that we have to think about this now is the same amount of energy that it takes to get the state and the city to get all of us to shelter in place to socially distance to turn off businesses. That's the type of energy that we need with respect to our prisons that you know the way that we stick people in these bunks in the sales in the best of times on the Sunniest Day is a horror show and now we have a situation where we're we're keeping them essentially keeping them in containers Where that viruses going to spread so when we are standing on line to the grocery store and staying six feet apart you can't do that at rikers. There's no soap rikers. There's no there's there's no way to be able to do this. People are sleeping toe to head every single day and I'm happy that Groups like lead society have been able to file lawsuits to be able to get a range of these people out of jail. It's totally possible. Yeah and you know we haven't even there's this population and then there's also the people who wear incarcerating at the border including children and a lot of us have had this sort of dark thought that you God forbid there's some sort of a pandemic pandemic flu or measles or anything that takes place inside of these places where we're caging kids you know. It's not as if the guards don't leave. And the same thing with our prison system die brother who worked at rikers. You go home at the end of the night or used your there for two or three days if you're sick and you're a guard your then taking that out of there so the risk is not just to the people inside right. This is the risk. The risk is it extends outside of these prison walls. It's exactly right joy. This is not a static situation and most people would probably be under the misconception. That people that are in jail that are incarcerated are safe from the virus and that might be the case if it weren't for all of the people that work at the jails work the ice facilities that go home every day and they come back and they introduced the virus. Then we're in a situation where the state and society is introducing a virus into a state facility will not let anybody leave. That's a state created harm. I'm not blaming the United States over the city of New York where the state of New York for creating the corona virus. What I'm saying is that we have to stop thinking about people as criminal elements and start thinking about them as people. We stopped school. We closed colleges. We've done all of these amazing things and yet we expect these men and to sit there while this virus spreads and then we'll say over what we don't want to let them out because they've got the virus that's crazy and then what about for use of you also have visitors. You also have people that are coming to see their loved ones to keep track of them. They're coming in and out. How much separation is there? Are there still open facilities? Where people are being able to touch their loved one. Be Near them or is it all behind glass because that's another potential way that this could come from inside of these facilities to out to the outside. You do a lot of facilities that still the ability of loved ones. Actually puppy to breezy to deal with one another. But we're talking. Also about the humanity of right from you to be able to see everyone in farces side whether the buzzer not as being did and he capacity for for the system to say you know. Shut down this. Let's keep this other part going to try to because even with the fact that we have loved ones that keeps people alive that keeps hope you have a lot of people have not been syncing. Who are still fighting it system. I'm thinking about it. Collie broader for thousands of Cardi brothers in the system right now waiting to go to court to have the coping and yet now this pandemic hit and now everybody is told to show them face now. We have a princess like a that folks can't even get the loving support a bit of a loved one because of you know it's it's this is this is one of the worst nightmares that tape ever experience absolutely and been it's happening even to children. You know there are teenagers who are being arrested. We know the Khalif browder story very well who have not even been sentenced. And who are awaiting trial and who are also stuck in these kinds of facilities just like these migrant. Children are stuck. What is the legal liability of a state or federal government in terms of the federal incarceration system? If somebody were to get sick or or God forbid die because they were not protected in these facilities. Well there are children. They're senior citizens. There are folks with underlying issues. That should all be released. The problem joy is that the way the law is structured. It is very very difficult for a prisoner to be able to sue the city or the state For something like this there is a. They're all of these federal laws And state laws that create real loopholes and obstacles for people to be able to file a lawsuit where they would be able to in any other context and that's largely because the system beer. Is that the insist that the inmates will suet out of existence but now we have a situation where there is a virus and there is something that is horrible that is going on NPR. At least be able to threaten to sue in order to get the kind of relief that they need and if this was happening to anybody else in our society the first people that they would talk to would be lawyers say can they do this. these make sure stuck. Let the mayor and the governor can release. These people Eric quickly and we also need federal prisoners released and we also need to deal with the homeless population. This is a you know we need to think about all the people that are vulnerable in our society. And let's make them all absolutely vince. Warren always ready to talk with the use of saliva. So much respect Freeman. Thank you so much for being on. I feel it's an honor just to just to talk to you. Both of you are fabulous. Thank you guys very much. Stay Safe Really. Appreciate you and up next your moral moment. I mean the Corona Virus Crisis Fisher. William Barber joins me when we come back. What some of my Republican friends still have not given up on the need to punish the poor and working people. You haven't raised the minimum wage in ten year. Minimum wage. Should be at least fifteen bucks done that. You've cut program after program after program and now horror of Horace for four months. Workers might be earning a few bucks more than they otherwise went after some fireworks during the debate. There was a refreshing display of bipartisanship this week when Congress passed passing DONALD TRUMP. Signed a nearly two point two trillion dollar rescue package to address the economic fallout of the corner virus. Pandemic the relief bill gives over gives more than five hundred billion dollars to big businesses but only about one hundred billion dollars to hospitals on the front lines of what caused economic crisis in the first place. And what about the poorest Americans? Well joining me now is Dr William Barber Co Chair of the poor people's campaign and president of repairs at the breach Bishop. Barber thanks so much for being here. And I'M GONNA start off with the downside of this because I think bipartisanship is actually quite overrated. Because what you saw here are Democrats really having to fight to get Republicans to accept that poor people in working people should get something at all. And that's big business. And so that aside we still have water being shut off. Rashida Toledo was tweeting about water. Show off prohibition which more than eighty members of the house supported included. Debbie Dingle Dan Kildee. We're people are still having their watershed off and you can't wash your hands a lot if you don't have any water that's right. Well you know when we look at this one of the reasons why the poor people's campaign is going with our mass poor people's Assembly Morrow march on Washington and why we put out a budget response to poverty. Pandemic is because the experts telling us that this stimulus actually leaves out million. We don't have a prohibition against water shut off. We don't have a prohibitions Against EVICTIONS. We have millions of people have one hundred and forty million poor low where people like. Lola who works part time as a cashier sleeps in how many bandwidth at three children because rents are high in San Diego has no fixed address and therefore may not get the one time. Payment doesn't qualify for unemployment. You know this. Bill didn't do anything to raise living wages. It's a one time CASS assistance. Twelve hundred dollars is not enough. Did Not Fund a health insurance for the uninsured This bill will leave out millions joy. Millions of people part time workers that means they get nothing They don't have paid sick leave. it didn't provide the fifty billion dollars. We need for childcare. The cover It didn't do anything about Health Insurance for the uninsured. I mean there's so many holes in this bill and while it was made a little bit better you know anytime. Mukasey stands up on the House floor and celebration the God of California Representative California and says how graded and then stays. How great everybody was doing before the Koran of is when in fact seven hundred people poor people were dying a day prior to this The Corona virus. We really have a problem. And so what we're seeing is. Bill is corporations got plenty. The Pentagon got plenty but this bill did not touch millions of Americans who are on the front lines who are hurting bad in this virus. Let's talk about what because the Speaker Pelosi said? This is just bill number three but it's not the last bill so there is apparently went to another shot at this to try to get more done. Democrats have vowed to do that. You have homelessness right now. Four hundred ninety three thousand people on average are homeless any day in the United States. The projected cases among homeless people with a forty percent peak infection rate would be one hundred ninety seven thousand people are projected to be afflicted with krona virus with Kobe. Nineteen Twenty One thousand. Two hundred ninety five hospitalized seven thousand one hundred forty five in critical care a fatality rate of three thousand four hundred fifty four people. What should be done in your view regarding the homeless in if in the next bill well first of all just think that Nick beal concept? The corporations and businesses don't have to go to the next meal they always get the first and what we see operating here. Something called shock. Doctrine went in the midst of a disaster. The corporations lobby to get the most up front. If homeless people are not taking care of the virus still spreads so we need to go we we we have to start from the bottom. It should have been this time. Start from the bottom. The homeless the part time workers the people who are having to steal go to work and fix the bottom because if you don't the germ doesn't know bottom atop the germ just knows infection. The virus just knows infection and we should be Making sure that we have so many Some of our homeless people actually going into abandoned houses and putting up quarantine. We have enough about the band and how to make sure the homeless have a place to stay but we need to build. It starts down to give you an opportunity to. I want to give you an opportunity to talk about Reverend Dr Joseph Lowry who passed away at ninety eight years old. We have done a much time but I want to give you that opportunity. Well you know he was a tremendous battle tremendous fighter and we love him for that and he stood up and and stood up the president. That's why I wanted to reason the poor people's campaign we're going to twist standing up to trump calling us the go back for Easter we sang and we need nonviolent non-cooperation do not go back on. Easter. Do not go back to work instead. Tail the White House and Congress that go back and fix the bill and deal with the people that Jesus really cared about The poor the sick the homeless the children the low wage workers. That's what Jesus would be doing We're going to have a major campaign around. And now with Dr Larry passing his spirit will be with us because he always did it up to power and said do right by the least of these and we must continue to do that in his passing. We must rise up and remember all of those who have passed before us. That did not take the keys from the empire and from the White House took the key from the perspective of our society and our religion. Amen had the blessing of meaning. Dr Larry Many many years ago. What a good man Bishop William Barber. Also a tremendous advocate and a great man. Thank you so much for being here really appreciate you.

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McConnell v Trump, Trump's Acquittal, Politicizing the Freeze, COVID Round Three

"Long short with donald trump. Welcome to the politics guys. A place for bipartisan. Rational in civil debate on american politics and policy. I'm trae orndorff a political scientist at oklahoma christian university for all. Your food is out there. I'm unwrapping mcdonald's steak egg and cheese bagel who look at this steak and juice running down the side. A little bit on rapper. Here and then. A fluffy egg and rail cheese folded oversaw looking just so good grilled onions on about a bagel. Two thumbs up from madonna steak egg and cheese bagel for breakfast love it more nba participating mcdonald's a mid atlantic. It's me winter just a heads up. I'm gonna ice and snow all week. But if you're driving a honda you'll be fine in right now. Honda is offering its best ever. Apr honda suv lineup. Crv hov pilot passport and more with real time all wheel drive all the safety features included with honda sensing like a collision mitigation braking system and adaptive cruise control. Oh and don't forget to turn on your heated seats it's gonna get cold. Sorry your local honda dealer today. I'm joined by ken. Ken a professor of law at chase law school. Welcome to the show ken. it's great to be battery. Can i'm actually going to be selfish just for a couple of moments as we get the show going because some of our listeners actually might know this individual dr john maple and he died on thursday night this evening. After a protracted battle with cancer doctor maple. Actually the reason can that. I am came to oklahoma christian university. He was the former chair of the history and political science department here and he's a huge reason why i'm here and i'm doing what i am today. And it was really of deeply humbling today for me when i got takeover in two years ago and then today when i found out that he had a passed away and it was particularly ironic because it was the same day in the same location. Only i was sitting on the other side of the table that he was making some Very cogent arguments. Why should uproot my life again and Moved oklahoma and so for those of you. Who are listening who i know you come from around the area of oklahoma or connections with oh see i know that you too will sadly be missing dr john maple and john wish you were still sitting in this seat because then you'd be dealing with all the paperwork but no i mean that honest but king what i to move onto is our big story and i think one of the biggest stories that came out of this last week and i think we're gonna be talking about this for some time and that's the battle between the time i'm going to call it the republican civil war and it's taken the form this past week of a couple of statements one from mitch mcconnell on the senate floor turned into an op ed and then from a statement from trump about mccown on. I'm going to be honest. I actually have a dog in this fight. Not going to sugar coat. That but so while i disagree with mcconnell on a lot of things i think he is right here. So here's what was said. Here's one went down on the floor of the senate. Mcconnell argued that americans a beat and bloodied their own police and attacked congress because quote they had been with fed wild falsehoods by the most powerful man on earth. Because he was angry he lost an election in quote he would go on to say on the senate floor That trump quilt quote practically and morally responsible for provoking the events of that day and quote. He also go on and say the quote. The leader of the free world cannot spend weeks thundering that shadowy forces are stealing our country and then feigns surprise when people believe him and do reckless things in quote. So trump is kind of Then shot back and argued that the republican party is never going to be respected or strong again as long as quote unquote leaders. Like mcconnell are at the helm in trump's own words from his statement he said we know our america first. Agenda agenda is a winner. not mcconnell's beltway. first agenda or biden's american america last he go on to blast him meaning mcconnell for losing georgia for not being willing to issue two thousand dollars checks as which what he argues handed georgia to the the democrat and then in the line that has been making the rounds in the news he noted. Mitch is a sour. Excuse me mitch is a dour. Sullen and unsmiling political hack and republican senators are going to stay with him. They will not win again. That's a pretty. That's some pretty strong words. there can now. I'm going to turn it over to you. But i do want to say just one thing into this because again i have. I have a bit to fight here. And that's to say that if trump if he was listening. And i know he's not that my response to this little bit of statement he has here is trump. He's the embarrassment he's been the embarrassment to the conservative and libertarian alliance. That has always held together. The republican party and more than any other single person has shaken my fundamental belief of myself as a republican and so i think trump is one who created a tent that has included some of the most despicable groups including neo nazis and trying to bring them and successfully in many cases into the party. And i think that trump's going to go down without question in history along the likes of. Andrew jackson is the worst president in american history. So i've been pretty clear on where i stand but but Ken what do you think about this ongoing republican war and what it might mean for party realignment for politics in the upcoming twenty two thousand twenty two midterm elections. What do you think about this. I mean this is. This is some pretty intense public feuding. Yeah well i just got. I mean answered johnson. Enter jackson is still on the twenty dollar bill people. Some some people think he's a good president. Listen if you mass genocide people you're going to have to be in my book down just a little bit. So he's on the twenty dollar bill. I have you listen. He he is the single handed cause for how many countless other genocide i just. I can't get over that one. So i ain't him. Johnson is bad. I don't. I'm not trying to suggest that it was not. He's not my president. That's for sure. But i would have wreaked. Probably andrew johnson. James buchanan even a little lower. So i think trump. Yeah he's certainly going to be thought of that breath well in terms of civil war. You know it's a pretty one sided war because i think Mcconnell has absolutely no interest in even engaging in whatever war is going on at all. He's he has not responded. He's not going to respond respond. He doesn't need to respond. he doesn't i think he has said he's never gonna speak to trump again and he's probably never gonna speak of trump again. He's just. This nonsense has no impact on mcconnell at all even the idea that trump says he's going to primary mcconnell mcconnell just got re elected to a six-year term in twenty twenty if he wants to run again in twenty twenty six when he's about eighty five years old. You know trump's going to be in no position to do anything about primary was a matter of fact for a little bit inside baseball it this past week trump me mcconnell had actually signaled to kentucky lawmakers that he'd like to see the rules for house. Senators are replaced if they leave. Midterm changed so that governors would actually be picking from a list of three or a shorter list. That's given to them in large part because of course. The the current governor of kentucky is from the opposite party of Of mitch mcconnell which might signal something right there about one the lines of what you're talking about. Yeah i saw that. But actually i don't expect mcconnell to voluntarily resign retire before the end of his six year term. I think he I interpret that. I do probably agree. It means he's not gonna run again. But i i would interpret. That is just mcconnell is always you know dot his. I's crossing his t's worried about you know hanging hanging onto the senate seats that are there and i think he's actually pushing that advice on a lot of other states as well that if there are states where there's a gubernatorial appointments to Feel vacancies if there's a democrat governor. I think he's just generally being his usual strategic tactical self and saying we gotta make sure that democratic governor can't possibly choose a democratic senator to fill a vacancy so i don't think he's actually signaling that he's planning to leave earlier that he thinks rand is gonna leave early. But but yeah mcconnell. I mean he he is in. He's in a complete capri seat to totally ignore trump. I think to the extent that there's any civil war at all even though i think mcconnell's absurdly stronger than trump in every possible respect. The one thing is there could be a civil war amongst the electorate because it probably is true that trump trump voters are more numerous faction now in the republican party. Then the type of voters that we would have thought of previously as establishment republican voters. So that's something that could go in a lot of different directions going forward but I don't know that trump or trump is is well organized enough to to to to seriously mounted a serious attack on the on the on the party leadership and i don't actually know that there are any successors trump out there that you know even though people like holly and crews are trying to kind of position themselves that way. I think those kind of people have much appeal to trump's actual voters. So i don't i don't really know how to read all that. What do you think you're funny because we don't often disagree. I think we we actually have a shade of disagreement. But not in the way that i would have imagined we would And i think that you're underestimating. The i don't disagree. When you you call the trump supporters disorganized. And i know what you mean by that. In other words they don't have a systematic way of of pushing the party forward But i think you need to be careful and you were hinting at it when you said about the electorate but of course the individuals are going to be coming into the part of me. Look at green. Look at representative green. I don't think that in a pre trump universe you're going to have a green and office And i'm i'm a little bit more concerned that that more traditional republicans i e. That conservative libertarian alliance. That we've long had that i mentioned earlier. I think that really need is gonna have to fight to remain the bulwark of the republican party. I i the idea that. I think trump is going to go away. I think has been overplayed by many of us who are just tired of him. I get that. I i don't i don't completely disagree with that but i see maybe slightly differently. You're right of course that someone like a marjorie taylor. Green is only is only possible because of trump. and she's not going to be the only one of her type effect. She's already not the only one of her type. There's congressman congressman bogert from colorado. Is kind of of that type now. Others a few but i think in in in all but the tiniest handful of states if that if a candidate like that ran statewide they would not be able to win it so that that to the extent that trump is me and twenty fifteen thinking that trump couldn't win. Yeah trump had a sort of advantage. I suppose one thing that trump had going for him besides the fact that he was a tv celebrity with a fair amount of charisma and also that he got to run in a field that was absurdly crowded. So a lot of the other candidates were splitting. The vote on each other was that i think maybe this is built into what you just said that the republican party electorate. It's really been some time. Since they were all conservative by conventional measures of conservatism. And you might say when when they nominated. George w bush in two thousand he really probably was the most conservative candidate or very conservative candidate that the republicans could choose. But then if you look from two thousand eight two thousand twelve two thousand sixteen so you get mccain romney trump. You know they don't have a lot in common with each other but with those three have in common with each other. Is that every single. One of them was the least conservative candidate in the primary And so i think there is this you know there. Is this sense that the republican party is sort of in built by the conservative movement but the republican party electorate isn't really all that animated or motivated by the conservative movement and they're animated are motivated by different things. And you know trumpism. I think to the countries great detriment kind of latched on racism and native ism and to some extent sexism. As as you know things that could a big chunk of voters who really didn't care about Conservative movement issues. I think you need to include in that There there's a lot of economic voters in there. And i think one of the things that individuals like myself did not successfully see and i'll be straight about that. Is i think there were a lot of conservatives who i use me. Republicans not conservatives. I think there were a number of republican voters who saw Expanding international trade as being an economic harm and so. I don't disagree what you're saying about kind of that native ism i think part of it is also not just tied up in terms of culture but i think there's some underlying economic unease there in in a global economy in in recognizing advantages of countries trading. And i think that's a big portion of what made trump successful matter of fact on the left i think a large part of what makes bernie sanders successful. I see a lot of similarities between the two at least on that one particular item. I wonder about it. You certainly could be right about that. And i'm just really going with a gut feeling here. More than anything could refute. What you just said. But i i look at that more like the motivations. You know it's true that people who oppose free trade might support trump or they might support sanders but my my gut instinct and my kind of interactions with people in that camp is that of people who support who oppose free trade. If you're gonna try to figure out which of them are going to be the ones that support trump in which be ones that support sanders. It really feels to me like the ones who support trump. they start from the position of native ism. So that what they don't like about free. Trade really has very little to do with economics. it's only just that they. They don't like the interaction with foreigners. They don't will agree with you there. I think what what distinguishes is the two things get tied together right ideas of economics and culture at merge into into almost a singular ideological position. So i don't it's overlap. More than single illogical. Do you think the sanders people who are against free trade issues that they think it weakened the labor unions in the united states. You know so. It's kind of it's not. They're not really coming at it. From an ideology of native ism. In fact i think a lot of them would be fine with free trade if it could be accompanied by an international labor movement. You know so so that it didn't weaken union. I think that the impact on on unionized labor organized labor is the primary concern for the sanders voters. And i think just the idea that we're actually involved with foreigners seems it seems to me more kind of atavistic rather than economic. You know y that's an issue for the for the for the trump voters. Well you know. I want some one of the other things that came out of this civil war you know. This has been something that i have been kind of gelling journaling about a little bit. But i really wasn't quite sure how to put it into words until i think this week and this is a question for you can because i think it it really has to be answered from the democrats and that is i think that democrats more so than. They're showing need to be worried about this Republican civil war. And and here's why. And this is what. I've been having a time trying to come to thinking about this. Is you kind of go back in history and you think to the era of good feelings the last time we really had one dominant political party and i could see in the short term. Maybe something like that. Being the case in the wake of trump where republicans are not able to to put forward effective candidates in part because were divided among ourselves. And but here's where it kind of incomes for you can. And i worry a little bit about this because we really need robust political discourse one of the the underlying principles of this show and one of the things. I've kind of noticed we've moved forward. Maybe just a touch. And i'm curious about your take is that i feared the a lot of democrats are a lot of leftists who i think have rightly assailed trumpism. And i've been on board with them for that might be falling into a discourse now. We're there could be no loyal opposition in other words you're rightfully attacking tr an individual and a system of values that is an ethical to republican government. But then at some point wh how do democrats work to ensure that. There's kind of a robust political party system. We're they can have positive discourse and disagree with the party while at the same time kind of Being able to back away from the very successful language and the rifle language of a sailing individuals like trump. And i'm thinking about this in terms. Most recently as i've seen some of the tweets coming from democratic congress persons in the past week. And that's what gelled it for me here for for you. What do you think about that. So kind of what should what do democrats need to think about the republican civil war and that kind of language shift if we can move away from a trump yet. Well i guess. I agree with part of your diagnosis. But maybe not quite with prescription. So okay yes so. I think it if there's a lot of instability in the republican party and if trump is groups perhaps sue aligned with the kind of militias that we've seen including i think some of the militia groups that attack the capital and that becomes kind of a rough part of the republican party or just spins off into a different party or or takes over the republican party. I think the those kinds of groups getting the control of one of our great political parties definitely does pose a danger to the stability of the country So i certainly agree with that on the other hand. If you can hypothesize you know that differently and i think this was implicit in your question. You know maybe what happens. Isn't it Violent militias takeover the republican party. But maybe what happens is just. The republican party can't hold together as viable party and so democrats for a while become so dominant that we don't have a functioning two party system Well actually that wouldn't bother me. And i think that sort of what happens when you say. The words just having a democratic party. A single party system wouldn't bother you. I'm a little of that. Would not bother me on this. Show how you think that a A political systems are best. Done when you can have. I was even trying to use your words as i was asking. You oftentimes talked about the loyal opposition. Surprised about that. I do believe that. But i think it's not a question of best. It's a question of second best right now right. So the the best of all would be a well-functioning two party system. But i'll stand by that. I've said it before. I'll say it again. I know that's where your question was coming. But i think we're in a world of second best right now and if the question is you know we have a two party system right now where in fact you know. The senate's divided fifty fifty. The house is closely divided. But i see that you know under current political circumstances. That's not so good because you have You know it doesn't give you the chance of achieving. Any kind of bipartisan accomplishments. If you've got such extreme polarization not only among the elected officials actually being demanded by their constituents the the the opposition party sees. It's only goal as to you know being to make the majority party failure and therefore to not to try to make deals with them about anything not to find points of mutual agreement or mutual interest but just to sabotage to the maximum extent. Possible the any kind of achievements. That can be good for the country. I that's the position we're actually in right now. And so i think i think from that it would actually move the country forward to eliminate that kind of dysfunction by having a period where one party was more dominant. And i i do think if you look at the nineteen thirties and into the early nineteen forties. Where you know. The country really wasn't able to deal with the great depression properly until you had basically you know significant one party rule and proudly couldn't have dealt with world war properly if we didn't have a significant one party rule and still at the end of world war two when when those enormous crises past and when the republican party had been so decimated for a decade that it it really had to rebuild. We benefited from you. Know pretty pretty good. Rebirth of the republican party. At that point in time. I think You know being in better shape than it's been in many other points in time after having suffered a decade of of not being part of our politics so i think that kind of cleansing of the situation where the parties can completely gridlock each other and make the government dysfunctional through a period of one party rule. I think would be okay. And i think that that would not be sustainable for any longer than it was in the decade from nineteen thirty four to nineteen forty four year Three or four presidential cycles effectively. Yeah i'd say probably three and you know we. Typically i mean we had eisenhower elected. Just you know only within five or six years. After roosevelt died so roosevelt was getting elected. By what seventy seventy five percent of the vote. The congress was seventy seventy five percent democratic Say he probably is a little bit of a unique case. I'm not sure if i would. I would use that as an example there because in large part both historically both political parties would have been happy to have eisenhower. Run for them. He just ended up opting for the republicans for a couple of maybe not not exactly ideological reasons. Let's just be brief. No no no. But i think that's actually part of my point it's only because the republicans have been so decimated for a decade that they needed to think about. How could they start. Appealing to voters again. And i think that made them open to. Somebody like eisenhower because he could win elections whereas if they had never been decimated they would have stuck with much more of the herbert hoover types. They wouldn't have been opened to a centrist eisenhower. Social media. So i think it was. They're very You know their political misfortunes. That made them go back to the drawing board and try to figure out how to be a party that could actually be attractive to voters in the center and that that the republicans benefited from the complete discrediting of hooverism That kind of created an opening for you know what happened there ideology to kind of just Die out and for them to come back as a renewed party that had a great deal to contribute to the country. That could only happen. The icenhower can only become their nominee. Because i think of abject defeat that they had suffered from the hoover generation. I think i think we probably do have a little bit of disagreement there before we move forward in that that i agree that you don't want to have a a system where the opposition is. A is a breakdown right. As you kind of put it that rump. Potentially the of the republican party. I think though i i kind of i have maybe a more i appreciate that you call it the second best position when you talk about the one. The one party domination Are having a one party system. Excuse me but i. I think where i might disagree. A little bit is i. Don't think that that was where you see. The years of fdr is probably being a better thing. While i i'm not as negative on. Fdr is some. I don't think. I think that we were saved from some of the more unfortunate. Fdr pushes say the court packing for example because they're still was in fact an actual Loyal opposition from a number of different branches functioning properly a separation of powers. 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Your food is out there on unwrap in a mcdonald's steak egg and cheese bagel. Who look at this steak and the juice running down the side. Get a little bit on rapper. Here and then. A fluffy egg and rail cheese oversaw looking just so good Grilled unabomber bego. Two thumbs off madonna steak. Eggen she's bagel for breakfast. Love it more baba participating. Mcdonald's will can we wanted shat a little bit about trump's acquittal and i know that last week We actually had a new individual and joining us on the politics. Guys in both of us had listened in on that when a libyan joined mike and j But one of the things that we didn't get a chance to talk about in the last show because they were doing it on. A saturday was really kind of pushing a little bit deeper into the question of well. What might trump now face on the legal side right so as we mentioned earlier. Mcconnell effectively made the argument earlier this week after the vote again after they had done the show saying. Look this is a constitutional issue. I don't begrudge anybody who disagrees or comes on the other side but you can't impeach A former president and that was something that we had talked about on the show. The two of us. We obviously came to a slightly different conclusion on that then then mcconnell but he will go on to effectively say. I think that he is more responsible or or at the more negative way of looking at saying well you know. He kicked it to the courts to have to actually deal with it now. You might see that as a bad thing or good thing. We'll put that aside for just a minute but there are still six really big cases being laid out now mike last week he. He didn't seem to be he. Didn't seem to think there was much hope here. But i at least list the six and kind of get your take on. What might trump's future be post acquittal. Here one we've got the ongoing hush money allegations lawsuit The second big set of cases the tax and bank fraud investigation. That's going on the third one. Is we have a big real estate fraud investigation. That's going on. We have the emoluments clause which is the fourth. We've of course got the sexual misconduct. Lawsuits is actually a body of law. Suits you might think of as being one r v and then of course one of the other. Big ones is the mary trump lawsuit. That's ongoing with trump so You know mitch. Mcconnell effectively says look this is the. This is the way that he's going to be held responsible. Of course now. I mean maybe the seventh could even be here any of the fallou From what happens from the d. c. incident in the wake of his words. So what do you think is the fuming. Your lawyer trump comes to your office and he plunked down a million dollars and he says they what's going on. You know what when you say that well first thing is he better because i'm not going to represent him unless he pays an advanced seems to be the cases that he doesn't always pay which i mean being correct me if i'm wrong. I have worked around a lot of attorneys generally. It's a little bit harder when you haven't paid your bill to get another attorney in every which way trump seems to turn. There always seems to be some attorneys like yeah. I'll take his case up. What about me. i've got a better case. Take me up. I i cannot pay you. He offered to pay review. Giuliani twenty thousand dollars a day to represent them in these cases after the election which is a very high might be one of the highest fees in the country and then he stiff on the whole thing payment. Here we go can. Here's what i'll do. I promise you now that if you will take up all the rest of the my lawsuits for my life. I will pay you as much money as per day. As long as you won't collect i think trump is. He's i think he'll be able to escape through some of these lawsuits. But i think he's going to be in big trouble in some of them he'll probably end up trying to settle. He'll probably end up trying to settle several of them because he won't want to go to trial and and i also think there's going to be a lot more. In fact you mentioned at the end there could be some civil liability arising out of the january sixth insurrection. I'm quite sure that there will be a lot of cases. I think the first one of those was already filed by representative bennie thompson of mississippi. He filed a civil lawsuit against trump and giuliani for causing the the insurrection by the violent mob. That broke into the so. She brought him up. Can i just ask. I had a question. I was going to ask on his particular front. Do you think he's gonna actually end up having standing for that suit. Yeah i think he will. I mean there's i think the question about whether he would would stem from a concept called legislative standing which says that Generally if a legislator for instance votes against a bill argues in congress that the bill is unconstitutional. And then the bill passes anyhow and then the legislator wants to go to court and say s the court to strike down this law that on the ground that it's unconstitutional. Typically in those kind of situations the courts will say well. The legislator doesn't have standing to do that only somebody who's affected by the law but in this case he's not suing in his capacity as legislator he's suing in his capacity as a person who was in fact violently attacked right. So so it's not. It's not it's not that he's saying my vote somehow was diluted by something. Trump did There'd be standing issues about that but no he's saying. I had to cower in my office and i could have been killed by this mavi sent in there. That's that's a direct particularized injury. In fact so. I don't i don't think he should have any problem. Establishing standing now go now see. I took him down that rabbit hole summit and bring it back to the original kind of the question and you were already mentioning there that you thought that trump could be in trouble for some of these and obviously try to settle out of court some of these although that might be harder and this and this particular stage of his these trials and what he's done in the past. Where do you think he might have the biggest issues so obviously one of them as you've already mentioned is here the That kind of the insurrection activity. What about these other six. Yes we'll just before we leave. The instruction is one more thing to say about that. Is you had some doubts. And i think a lot of judges might share some of those doubts. About why congressman thompson is the proper plaintiff here. But don't forget there's there's there were some officers killed right there that day. That's who i thought would probably have the biggest thing is. I assumed that we would see some lawsuits stemming from their death that that's where thought we'd have. Yeah we have those haven't been filed yet but Yeah they will be filed and not only a few killed in a few who committed suicide shortly after. But also i think more than one hundred capitol. Police officers were injured that day. You know every one of them's got a lawsuit. So i i mean i'm sure there's some of them who won't file but my guess is you're going to see upwards of fifty separate lawsuits filed by people who actually sustained injuries or death as a result of that instruction and so. That's that's a lot of money that's at stake there And so yeah. I think that that that's probably going to be his biggest single source of civil liability. And i would not rule out a criminal liability from that. Either i mean. I think one reason that we're not hearing much about that. right now. is the joe biden and kamala harris are going to keep themselves a million miles out of those kind of discussions. They're not gonna make any decisions about whether to prosecute trump for the events of january. Sixth or probably for anything you know. I think they're gonna leave that in the hands of the law enforcement but but right now there may be that the fbi and career prosecutors may already be doing investigations into trump's role in all that but they're properly keeping that confidential as the justice department investigating trump. Trump always would make a big point of you know. Well we're we're having the durham investigation of the investigators. But that's not really the way. The justice department normally operates normally if something's at the stage of being investigated They're not supposed to cast aspersions on people who are being investigated by letting it known publicly that they're doing investigation. And and i think in the end there's going to be career. Investigators career officials finding facts making confidential reports about whether there's probable cause to bring criminal charges and then the people on the front lines who are going to have to decide whether to move ahead with that or not are mostly going to be the attorneys for the particular districts and primarily the us attorney for the district of columbia. And not only. Isn't there one right now But the biden hasn't even nominated someone to be. Us attorney for the district of columbia. Because i think actually he's going to want confer with garland about that after garland's confirmed and he hasn't been confirmed yet either so i think that's a really important point. Is i think that we forget that. All of the apparatus of the executive office is nearly in place yet and so we were having a number of these conversations. I think i think for a lot of people. There's always a lot of emotion. There's a lot of the desire for things to happen. Really rapidly but in. It's not unusual for it to take time to get all these positions filled and we're not in normal times anyway because we were we were already dealing with the the trial itself. Which of course delayed some of this. And i'm not saying that's a wrong. That's just a function of what's happening. I do think there was also some obstruction. When when the senate couldn't get reorganized after the election And lindsey graham was still running judiciary committee until the friday before the impeachment trial. That made it harder for garland to get confirmation. Hearing because traditionally the attorney general would be one of those positions where there should be a confirmation hearing you know. Ideally even before inauguration day so that they could vote on or on inauguration day or the next day to confirm attorney general. But be that as it. May i think what we're only at the stage now where career law enforcement officials would be quietly investigating and would never be in a position to do anything other than present investigative findings to the responsible a superior officials who could make the decision whether to proceed or not and those and those officials aren't even on the job yet so so. I think it's not surprising. We're not hearing anything about the prosecutors relating from january six. But i think i think it's likely to happen but it's likely to take a little while before things start moving forward on that and then now we could go to some of the other night slowed you down that advocates. I mean there's always. I think that's part of the great thing about having these kinds of conversations that we both ended up focusing on things that might be a little bit different so again the the six ongoing in other words the ones that were already happening that package the hush money we have the tax and bank fraud investigation. The real estate fraud investigation moments cases. Matter of fact that one particularly as is is worth looking at because the supreme court has been unusual in this. I had a question this is. I don't even know. I was curious about this on your case can. Has there ever been a time. Because on this site cases we've had the longest no response from the supreme court over an emergency injunction in history. But i was you know you always wanna be careful saying. It's never happened that long because somebody always comes out and says well in one thousand nine twenty one Or whatever to the best of my ability to get it. That's been the longest it's been do you think. For example the fact that we're not hearing from the supreme court on that that maybe just just roberts is trying to kind of. He seems to often try to bring the court together. And be that moderating voice so that there's kind of a of a singular voice moving forward. He did that. In the and the affordable healthcare act for example seemingly kind of shifting his vote so that he could Shift the opinion itself and right. Do you see any of that happening here that the court might not be willing to hear. These cases is that the moments caused an example of well. If they really wanted to take some of this on they have already issued the stay at this point in meeting and this is this is one of the longest. Yeah i've seen it. You're right you're right. I mean this supreme court has been i i i get more than one way of trying to analyze. Why it's been like this. But the supreme court has run a lot of interference that has rebounded to the benefit of trump. they've led him delay proceedings for a very long time. Not only not only in the emoluments clause case but you know one of the other ones that. I'm just astounded by along. Those lines is from the first impeachment of trump more than a year ago The the the house subpoenaed trump's. Then white house counsel don mcgann and and the question of whether don mcgann can be made to testify is one that the court has just simply not decided you know and that's where the first impeachment that's still wasn't even decided by the second impeachment and that and that is actually one of the reasons. I understand that the house managers after winning the vote in the second impeachment to allow them to call. Witnesses made an agreement not to call any witnesses because they they were afraid. The same thing would happen that the the witnesses refused to come and the supreme court would run interference by refusing to issue a ruling on that. So i think that kind of interference that the court has been running to just run out clocks in ways that favored trump. He's getting away with something. Using is running out is running out the clock because wants to favor trump. Or do you think it's running out the clock and this has been my kind of operating hypothesis because it doesn't a half to involve itself in a political question even remotely and thereby Lose some of its. It's reserved status You know there is a long standing history of the court attempting now of course as you move. Recently the court has eased up on this. Oh goodness i'm trying to think of what is the call called the political question doctrine. The idea that there's certain disputes between the political branches. That the court should just absent itself from. Yeah i mean. I think there's the problem is i think there's a mixture of motives on the current court rate so i think that Probably especially now that Judge justice barrett as on the court the the center of gravity on the court might be that if they were going to rule on these cases they would rule in favor of trump And so i think because of that. And i do think that's really become cemented by justice barrett's ascension to the core. I think that means that the democrats won't on the court don't kick and scream too hard. If chief justice roberts does these delaying tactics. And i think the delaying tactics from roberts's standpoint probably are as you say to try to preserve the legitimacy of the court in the eyes of the whole country and you're not sitting a precedent so by saying nothing. You don't set a precedent. We don't know in common law system. If you set the precedent now you have this long standing practice. You have to undo at some point and that's always that rarely happens. Yeah i'd actually rather see them set precedents because i think if they're really going to have a majority vote and rule in favor of trump in these cases because he's trump and their and their partisans which is what i believe is where the actual majority of the court is and i think that's those rulings that roberts is trying to forestall. It's better that they do it both so that Because i don't think they deserve the respect of of all americans if they're partisan and also because i think the president that they would set with those rulings could also then redound to the benefit of leader democratic presidents whereas if they're always just running running out the clock because it's trump and they want to help and then they do the opposite when there's a leader democratic president so so i really appreciate it but i think i think the dem's probably do think it's sometimes better to let republicans run out the clock than to actually make terrible rulings and and i think roberts thinks it's better to run out the clock then then to make divisive rulings and so and so i think that's you know i think there's a kind of overlap of motives but they really have not a lot of those kinds of cases about presidential power. They've made a big point of not deciding while trump was president and they have not invoked the political question doctrine. Right so one thing. The court could have done but didn't do is could have actually issued a ruling saying This is a subject that the court lacks jurisdiction to rule on. And therefore we're not going to rule on it the that's that's how it's been done in past political question doctrine cases but the court has never done that in any of these cases. They've just taken the cases they've exercised jurisdiction over them and then they just have not decided them. It's a little bit different. And i think it's bad and i wish they would. I actually think they're gonna let them run out the clock completely in the emoluments clause case and that the final the final boom in that case when the final boom drops. It's going to be that the case is now because he's not the president anymore. I don't necessarily disagree with that. Now i just for my own edification though. I'm going to have to say the thing that i could not think of when i was when you were talking. We were talking with the political political question. Doctrine was luther. V board dean. You're in my head. I couldn't get it out for the life of service is the oldest of the political question. Is this the first year. The first i had. I was trying to get that and it was somewhere in the vaults of my mind the the listeners to know what that case is this goes back to the eighteen forties forty nine. Yeah so there was actually a revolution within the state of rhode island and there was there was a military coup when y. I don't know why here this is actually a fascinating point of history. So unlike all the other states rhode island had never created its own constitution and instead was still operating off of the royal charter and so citizens were demanding. The legislature either create a state constitution or at least the minimum. Get rid of the voting. The of land is voting requirement and the legislature. Wouldn't do either so go ahead. That's actually what leads to kind of happening. Is that both both factions that claim to be the legitimate government in rhode island claim claim that they hold their own separate elections and they claim to have won the elections. So there's two different slates of congress members that show up claiming to represent a rhode island. And so the governor declares martial law to try to get the other ones to not show up. Yeah and so. The supreme court is asked to resolve this dispute and with the supreme court says. Well it's actually. Congress gets to resolve this dispute because in the the qualifications clause of article one the each house of congress gets to judge the qualifications of its own members and so when people show up claiming to be members of hold the same seat in congress. The congress has to decide which one to recognize because the constitution assigns that to congress which is one of the political branches the white house being the other political branch. That means that the courts can't make that judgment and so so we sometimes called at the political question doctrine now that there's certain judgements that have to be made in trial like settings where we might normally think. This is the kind of case or controversy. That a court could you to kate. But if the constitution actually assigns the the resolution of those those disputes to one of the two political branches legislative rancher the executive branch then that means that the judicial branch has to stay out. So sometimes that's been used that's the basis of why impeachment proceedings for instance are not judicially. Reviewable the senate has the power to try impeachments and that means that when there were questions like the one that just came up about whether someone who is no longer in office can be tried in impeachment trial. The answer would be. The court has to stay out of that. That's up to the senate to decide. And that's why the senate took a vote on that and that was not reviewable in in court. So that is a doctrine. I don't believe it properly should apply to malaya its claws because there's no the constitution doesn't say which other branch should decide whether there's been a violation of the emoluments clause. So i think the ordinary presumption that courts can decide that should apply and the court didn't say that it applies they actually took jurisdiction over the case and then just just sat on it and so i think they've done that in several other contexts where they probably should have made a ruling about whether trump had broken the lar- exceeded his authority. And but i think they're gonna let them run out the clock on the On the emoluments case. I think they tried hard to let them. Run out the clock on the new york district attorney subpoenas and it would've would've worked if he'd been reelected because they kept even while they didn't say he was exempt from subpoenas in state criminal proceedings. They kept sending it back with weird instructions like the state court has to give you more consideration than they did. Last time to the fact that this guy is the sitting president and that kind of thing and i think they would have just kept bouncing it back and forth like that for as long as trump was in office and soon the statute of limitations would've run out but because he didn't get reelected he wasn't able to get away with running out the new york state statute of limitations while he was still in office. Well you know we could talk about that forever clearly. Because we've got. We've got two more stories for listeners. And when we come back from this short breaks short break in the comeback. And we're actually going to be talking about. Maybe one of the biggest weather events that has happened in the south in modern history. At least and that's the cold snap and specifically we're gonna be talking about the politicization of the cold snap as it dipped into texas. If you're gonna wait with this just for a moment for our break and then went back to talk about texas and the politicisation of the cold snap can has been a lot of conversation This week about the well. The deeply frigid temperatures which dipped into the western states. As a matter of fact. I'm part of this. So i've been experiencing it. There was an unprecedented amount of snow and cold. Even here in the oklahoma city area. Where i live Here it oklahoma city specifically we broke a forty year record. Last time it was the highs. Were were below freezing for this. Long was the year. I was born in one thousand eighty three And so likewise though we also beat snow totals in this case. It wasn't just a forty year old whether event instead we actually for all of recorded history. There has never been as much no in oklahoma city as there was over the past few days but that apparently has not held a candle to what's happening in texas and and i wanna turn to texas because texas power outage result of cold. Temperatures has become a really big political issue this week. texas governor. Abbot blamed the green new deal and the increasingly high reliance on renewables. On sean hannity's fox news show. He said quote it just shows that fossil fuel is necessary for the state of texas to make sure we will be able to heat our homes and the wintertime's and cool our homes in the summertimes in quote later in the week on wall street journal editorial called for reliance on coal of all things instead of either natural gas or renewables because of its reliability and pointed to the disaster unfolding texas on the left. Of course they blamed a lack of planning and importantly a set of officials have who have taken themselves off the national power grid and into the mix of ted cruz was headed to mexico before he turned around after his daughter. Tricked him into going. I suppose afc sean on twitter. That governor abbot needed to get off tv and read a book on the state's energy supply. So this is one of those items can where. I thought that we as the politics guys could really bring some rationale to the debate and so on twitter and on the news. I have seen just numbers have abounded about renewables and naturals. Actually i have i yes listeners. I went out and i researched this one so a couple of things just so that she can all be on the same page one is that yes texas does. In fact have its own power grid and it's not completely connected to the rest of the nation's power grid that grid is called urquhot e. r. c. ot and it's run by the company of the same name the electric reliability council of texas now. It doesn't actually technically cover all of texas but it covers most of texas it doesn't include some locations like the panhandle now further. It's worth noting that the reason that this all happens is that back in nineteen eighty two. When the very first power grid went. On by thomas edison there were lots of smaller companies. All around the country and then during world war one they got more connected they got even more interconnected during world war two and it's during world war two that several texas companies joined together into the precursor of arcot now and this is where things can get very texan is the best way i can put this. The texans wanted to keep their system out of federal control and so for anybody who wants a little bit more detail on this. Because you can't go into all the details and podcasts. I highly recommend. There's actually an article in the journal of natural resources and environment. By richard cuddly who was a member of the seventh circuit court of appeals. He was a texan and he kind of outlines. This but what happens in a short version is that texas went through some deep measures even through the seventies to keep their power structure limited. And so eventually. There's a truce between congress and texas little allow taxes to continue to have its own level of independence and so even today twenty twenty one or remains beyond the jurisdiction of the federal regulatory commission and therefore still largely independent of links to other power grids. And that's really unusual. The other thing is there's been all these numbers thrown around. And so i've looked this up to according to the independent statistics and analysis section of the us energy information administration when you look at electricity consumption so in other words the stuff that's actually getting out to people to use not for other kinds of purposes and that's what i think is key to this to be here you can actually list all of the thousands of megawatts the production that texas has natural gas accounts for fifteen thousand four hundred twenty five megawatts again in thousands non hydro electric. New ables are the next largest just shy of nine eight thousand nine hundred and thirteen coal accounts for ten six thousand five hundred and thirty nine nuclear three thousand four hundred hydra hydro electric one hundred and thirty four and petroleum ademir four. So if i've done my math right. And i have that means that. When you're talking about electric's renewables account for about twenty five point. Nine percent of the electric power grid in texas and natural gas accounts for about forty four point eighty two percent. So i've seen a lot of other outlets get different numbers. The best i can tell. Is that these numbers come. Because they're looking at the pure amount of power coming out as opposed to the power. That's going for grid consumption meaning for consumers so along the outlets in the left i think are really under reporting some of the most meaningful numbers and on the right. There's some real outright ront line going on including that wind turbines of frozen even though of course winner is them and they happened in far northern places and things congressperson. Bogart's you were talking about her earlier. Can that you have to use planes to ice win. Which was actually just a fake. A bit of a helicopter picture. They had nothing to do with that. So here's my question can in short texas. It seems like it froze. Because texas doesn't rely on national standards natural gas outlets roth but the percentage of newell's is higher and it to froze but in long law large reason because texans didn't think this was ever going to happen and so they just hadn't winterized things but it hasn't stopped both sides from taking a shot at the other. What do you think about how quickly the cold snap in texas. The power outages have turned into some localization. And do you think there's any kind of long term meaningful statement to be made here. I've been trying to think about this. You know judge. Justice louis brandeis said one hundred years ago that that one of the great benefits of our system of federalism in the united states is that the states can serve as laboratories of experimentation. And so you know. I guess the way he would look at this and maybe we would look at this somewhat. This way is that you know it's not. It was nice of texas to do this. This radical experiment in deregulation. So that those of us in the other forty nine states could see how it works out before deciding whether whether other states should proceed to do something like this and thinking about his his saying. Who but i thought about a different way because on the one hand we have california which has gone a very different direction as texas has had its own set of problems and then texas which thought they hate men. Aren't we happy that we're not california. But their fix for. It didn't really fix it either to it doesn't seem like either major model has worked very out in. Yeah well. I don't. I don't know because i know california issues with high high prices and i don't know if that was also an issue with fire induction issues as well rolling blackouts and that was what i was thinking about more specifically. That's a good point. That's a good point. Yeah well texas. I mean as you mentioned earlier. The whole state didn't take itself off the national grid. Most of the state did but el paso which has been having exactly the same weather as the rest of texas has not had any any power outages. And it's because they power comes down through albuquerque and can come from farther away than that. If local plants fail the generate and it does seem there some some benefits from staying on the national grid. If you're your own plans start to fail. You get power from other locations locations. Yeah wish el paso has been doing just fine while it's been just as cold there as in other parts of texas the other the numbers i actually was looking at the numbers on the cut on their own webpage the electric reliability council of texas. And the numbers. I'm looking at quite close to what you said. But maybe not exactly. And what i've seen here. Is that these numbers are very close to you. Said but they have it listed as twenty two point. Eight percent wind and forty five point five percent natural gas so okay so in the in the case for the the breakdown. The what's going to make it just a little bit. Different is is that i had put together everything. That was a non hydro renewable. There's actually a few more when you include that over there. Were in the same. Yes we're talking about the kind of things right so almost almost all that category would be wind and then just a little bit of it would be solar and stuff like that so but his surprisingly some of that in texas. I have learned so some solar well. I guess the thing about wind is in the possession of this my understanding of this and you can correct me if you if you know more than me. Is that although although texas's pretty heavily into wind actually twenty two point eight percent is both. I think a lot compared to what you'd see in other states it is way high. Yes and in fact. It's more than you see for coal being only about eighteen percent and win being second again only to natural gas in texas but yet i don't think any fat is because of environmentalism in texas. I think the reason you see so much. Use of wind in texas is because they have a lot of wind in texas and they have a lot of space for windmills in texas and so these power companies you know find it to be economic and in their own self interest to put up windmills. And i think any regulators have have come down them and told them to put down windmills. I think it's a there's probably less regulation pushing that kind of thing in texas than just about anyplace else in the country. And i don't know if you knew anything different than that and this is glenn that she pushed us in that direction. Because that's where i kind of wanted to take next. In some ways this seems like an unforced error for a lot of texas so for example. One of the and this is i think just emblematic of a larger thing that we see coming from Governor abbott because if you look at what he says locally and what he says on the sean hannity show their different messages. But did you see the message from tim boyd. The mayor of colorado city texas. It kind of went viral this past week. Texas texans would rather have no power than have a federal regulation. Yeah as a matter of fact this is the way that he put he said quote. Let me hurt some feelings. While i have a minute. No one knows you well. I'm cleaning up his language. Because i can't speak in his english. No one knows you are but he means or your family anything nor is it. Local governments responsibility to support you during trying times like this sink or swim. It's your choice. The city the country along with power providers or other services owes you nothing. I'm sick and tired of people looking for a dmz handout. If you don't have electricity you step up and come up with a game plan to keep your family warm and safe if you've new wandered deal without and think outside of the box to supply survive and supply water to your family if you're sitting at home in the cold because you have no power sitting there waiting for someone to come rescue you because you're you're lazy is a direct result of your raising. Only the strong survive and the week will perish. Why was on could continue to take on his rant. But i don't mean. I am a libertarian. Here right i don't even i mean he's not like boys not some anarchist. Who's arguing for the for the end. He's not an anarchist capitalist. What's going on here. I cannot figure out what everybody has been a bizarre response. And i don't quite have a good answer. You know you're asking here. Why is this the attack point. I get why you can have some attack points. I get the wall street journal. But i don't understand. A lot of the texan response. It baffles me. That's that's why. I started with justice brandeis in the laboratory of experimentation right. I mean if texans think that way you know if they think well we'd rather were so committed to to deregulation or two on regulation of of businesses that we were perfectly willing to Run the risk that our businesses can't Supply essential services because it's better to let power companies have bad days where they can't provide power than to actually regulate them to make sure that they can provide power. I'd say it's instructive for texas to experiment like that country you keep putting in that framework and this on this. I'm going to push back a little bit. It's not even so much about regulation in that. Okay you you made some choices that we're probably undoubtedly a little bit cheaper. I think a lot of people make those. And i get that. Who would have who i mean. Who would have planned for the freeze and the snow on the beaches of the gulf of mexico. And i don't think that's be true. They they did they had. I mean when when prisoner bottle is still president. The in twenty eleven. You couldn't predict. But i don't think anybody's going to put the money into that. That's what i'm saying. well recognized. They need to save for retirement. But it doesn't mean anybody does no but these are closely regulated industries in most states and a regulator in any normal state would order them to do that because they shouldn't be able to make choices here that are only purely in the power companies own self interest the the regulator could force them to do some things that will protect the public interest and like. Yeah yeah and i guess in texas. They're saying they don't wanna do that so fine. But i'm glad i live in a state where it gets cold all the time and the regulator will actually say. Yeah the regulator will say to the power company you have to insulate those gas lines so that the gas doesn't freeze in the line and you know that's just a cost of doing business in the state if you're running a power company and that's how it is in almost every state so texas is really taking a unique regulatory experiment here and i was gonna say in two thousand eleven. They had this kind of weather in texas. I mean this is a little bit worse this time but they had enough weather had enough cold weather in twenty eleven that they had All power. The gas lines froze. The power went out for about twenty four to thirty six hours. A lot of places in the state and the federal energy regulatory commission. When it was still obama's federal energy regulatory commission they told the texas regulators look. We don't have authority over you. But they sent him a plan and they said you should tell the power companies in texas that they have to put some insulation around the gas lines. Because those gas lines are gonna freeze again. The next time it gets this cold and and then you're not going to be able to guest to the generating plants. I mean it's not like they weren't told that it's just that they decided that they didn't care and they weren't going to regulate their power companies won't mean yes. I disagree on that point now. Yeah so i. I say good you know. Let them let them show. The rest of the country would like to have that kind of regulatory philosophy. Okay so now can we are man. We have gone long in this. We've got one other really big item that we need to take care of and this one is near and dear to you heart. It's kovin relief. Bill part three right. I mean we gotta talk about this and as a matter of fact On this past this friday house democrats their one point nine trillion dollar bills full tax was made available for covid. Relief includes a number of items. And it's not a big surprise for anybody who actually wants to read through it The the only kind of moderate surprise might be that the that the house democrats are still sticking by the fifteen dollars an hour. Minimum wage includes the fourteen hundred dollar direct checks for americans making less than seventy five thousand dollars a year an extension of unemployment benefits. I have yet to be able to see if they've included the idea of extending the child tax credit that was not readily apparent to me on my brief read through so what i do want to focus on. Though is this is this is huge. This is a one point nine trillion and this is in addition to the already three point five trillion. Spit on covid. Relief is we talked about earlier on the show. This is actually something weirdly that former president trump wanted. He wanted to have another relief. Bill but specifically wanted higher direct payouts. As a matter of fact he blamed mitch mcconnell for not getting that done so if we add these bills together if this in some form one point nine trillion goes forward about at the size that it is that means. We're going to be hitting five point four trillion dollars in new spending so ken. My question is this. I get the democrats. Want to expand relief. But are we getting into some historic territory when it comes to spending and when i say historic i want to put this in context the mandatory budget in twenty twenty one for the. Us government alone was two point nine six six trillion and that's a number that many analysts already thought myself included was pretty worrisome. These bills out spin significantly just the mandatory budget As a matter of fact he's three bills are spending close to twice that amount on cove and relief that even outpaces outweighs for defense another way to look at it as we take a look at the fiscal year of two thousand nine hundred nineteen. The federal budget came out Less than just the covid relief so the federal faster fiscal year. Twenty nineteen total government. Spending was four point. Four four eight trillion dollars. We the budget deficit on that of just shy of a trillion. Nine hundred eighty four billion. The covid relief bills into talapity will be more in spending than the entire federal budget in twenty nineteen alone. So can i know a lot of times in. This has been a point that you've made democrats say look. One of the big problems is that we need to have individuals who are willing to bow spin but have corresponding tax increases. But i don't see any republican democrats talking about these in terms of how we're going to pay for it especially given that we're talking about numbers that that far outpace total government spending in the past democrats often blame republicans for being the tax cut and spin party but are we watching democrats. Become the spin spin spin party. What do you think about that. I share some of your concerns about the economics of this. But this'll be the show. Where i keep saying where second best best best solution right. Because i think you're right that it it's actually spends more than it should with with less Less targeted this targeting than would be ideal and really very little idea about How it's going to impact federal budgets going forward so you would agree with me. I'm sure because again. I don't want to cut you off. They should have some spending. They need to have some either spending cuts or some taxing increases. As part of this bill. You agree with that. No this autumn an essay angry with the economics of your analysis but not with the politics of it. I think they just need to pass this bill. As is you know. Even though i think i think it's running some risks with the economy but i think the political risks on the other side just too great because they so i do think they need to pass the bill as is. Because you know it's not. It's not the bill that would be my ideal bill but we're in. We're in a situation here again where they are being forced to use the budget reconciliation process which is a non filibuster ble process because there's no republicans actually willing to negotiate in good faith or not enough republicans willing to negotiate in good faith that they could come up with a bipartisan relief. Bill in the ordinary course that wouldn't be filibustered and the reconciliation process can only be used a limited number of times a year. And so if they're going to burn one of their times using it they need to think of need to go very big because they can't come back and do very big is an understatement again. We're talking bigger than entire fiscal year. Yeah yeah but the thing is you know i i. I don't think it's a great use of money to give a fourteen hundred dollars to virtually every american but you know biden promised it on the on the campaign trail particularly for the georgia senate seats straight and so i think he needs to deliver on the promise because he promised it and i think people voted for him on that basis. And so we're not really on a blank slate here where the question is. What's what's the best way to me. For example he could still keep that promise and bring this bill in well lower than it is right now and maybe at least have to code covid spending under a a whole year worth of spending. I get what you're saying about. Hey i want. I want to keep my promises. But keeping his promises on the backs of like my children's inability to actually make money and pay. I mean i mean we're talking about eight doric debt so that means that the deficit. We're doing this projections right. If the deficit will be larger that all of these bills them are deficit. Spending for the first time in history we'd be multiples of trillions y- even when not in terms of real dollars th that's not even world war two spending we're we're surpassing that well. It's not going to be your children if it has negative impact on the economy. It's probably going to be felt in the form of inflation in the next year to you. I don't think it's our our Our parents generation engage in some deficit spending. And somehow we're still paying lower taxes than they did you know i. I don't think it's the the idea that there is deficit. Spending means that anyone's children are going to have to pay for it because the the Right now today. For instance. I think about eight percent of the federal budget is spent on interest on the debt and about twenty two percent of the federal budget is paid for by new borrowing. So you know it's always gonna be possible to to to keep more to pay and and as if you can't do right as a matter of fact we we know the points at which countries this is something that's been economically. You can just working out where when you're spending and borrowing surpass a certain level of your entire budget and in this would be a lot of times you end. This question like how much this put is near. Some of those levels of other countries changing potentially even our rating status. So i mean you fall. I don't think so. I don't think it could change. United states is not similarly situated to small countries. Were we're the reserve currency for the world. Where it where a place that. A lot of people want to invest skin. We did in fact have as you mentioned during world war. Two where we're the deficit was was larger than the than the amount of revenue erased. So we running deficits of more than one hundred percent and it didn't really in fact. We had pretty good economies in the years after the war when that when that deficit drop some stores handed higher tax rates. And that's where i think. Democrats are leading us down right one of the ways that was possible was you had a a a massively different tax base and different tax structure. So i mean you you know well. Here's the libertarian. Telling the democrat. Wait a second. There's you're doing this during a different a different type of revenue raising than you did during world war two but there's gonna be some tax reform. I'm not going to say it's going to be enough to pay for all this in the short run or anything but the long or well three probably never either. But i don't think it matters to pay it all off in the long run. And we've we've been managing to get by for about seventy five years without paying off debt in the long run and i should buy a mercedes though i mean but i again the way. The reconciliation rules work. Technically the filibuster-proof procedures can be used once each fiscal year for one spending bill for one separate taxing bill and for one separate bill to lift the debt ceiling. Now this year there may be able to be to each because fiscal year twenty twenty. One actually started back on october. First of twenty twenty which is the. Yeah yeah and none of those bills were ever done for for this fiscal year. so so i think there can be. The reconciliation can still be used for a spending bill. Bill a debt ceiling bill once for the current fiscal year. And then once more during the current fiscal year for the next fiscal year so So so maybe they get two shots. But i think that the tax bill will be a different one and just like trump in two thousand seventeen came in and used the tax reconciliation process to do the tax. Cut bill in two thousand seventeen with no democratic votes The the argon to do that and biden has been talking about raising the the income tax rate on corporations and the income tax rate on individuals who earn more than four hundred thousand and maybe doing something to reduce the disparity between the capital gains tax rate and the and the ordinary income tax rate. I mean biden has definitely been talking about some targeted tax increases and. I'm quite sure that's coming now. Whether that's going to add up to the kind of money that this that the that the stimulus bill is costing. I'm sure it won't. But but the but the tax bill will remain in effect. You know for years and the stimulus bill right now seems to be a one time deal. I mean this is the second time third time deal third. Yeah but the mid the middle one was much much smaller And i think the first one was actually larger than this one but we are gonna come near the end of the pandemic already about one out of every eight people in the country has already been vaccinated. I think by the end of summer the expectation is that substantially everybody who wants to be vaccinated will be vaccinated and i think you will see so many businesses reopening so many jobs opening up again that nobody will be talking about another stimulus. Bill like this in another six months. So so i think you know. Tax increases have a longer period of time to collect revenues than than the stimulus. Bill is going to be spending revenue. So i think things will come back into balance a bit Or at least be moving in the right direction. And and i wouldn't really believe in the parade of horrible about that. This is going to turn into greece or something in the whole thing is gonna collapse. I mean this is the united states. I don't think the whole thing is gonna collapse. I hate that point. But i i think that your your your analysis that you can kind of having. Endless spin is a long standing democratic. Trope the dignity of the real economic evidence and i. It's a matter of fact. I'm i'm in some ways. I'm happy as a matter of fact that the democrats are gonna do it via reconciliation. Because i do not think that this will go down in history as a good one. And i think the democrats are going to have to end up owning my only real question. Is i hope that republicans can capitalize on a positive way in two thousand twenty june two thousand twenty four and not allow it to help trump but but i think that in some ways or that kind of that trump party but no i think democrats are gonna end up having to eat this one and and i think that your idea of like well. It's just a little bit more spending. It can't have any harm is just an example of you agree with me and you say it's kind of second best but let's be honest. Democrats can force through whatever they want to so they could force through and actually good bill. They're choosing not to force the good bill because why there's no there's no reason it they don't they don't need again because they can only do this. This limited number of time. So so for instance they could do a bill where they just give it really fourteen hundred dollars you know if it were possible to come back later and do a bill to save the post office and were possible to come back later and do a bill to weekends tons of spending items that they cannot pay for in a historically large bill hopefully with their own votes and they know it's a bad bill and you're emitting. It's a bad bill so they've you guys gotta eat it thing. I think it's i don't say it's a bad bill. I say it's a second best bill. And i think it's better. It's worth doing on balance because it does a lot of things that need to be done and it won't otherwise be possible to do unless they do it right now. As part of this bill it is different than congress. Listen this is congress saying in one particular month we're going to spend our yearly budget more than our yearly budget. But somehow that's gonna work out that is insanity like there is no there is no universe in which any normal human being gets to spin their entire year's budget in a month and say hey that's not going to cause some kinds of problems now. Does that mean that the economy is gonna clap. of course we don't have to be the The polls of the world and say hey look we need to be in a gold standard. But i mean listen on the left and the democrats you guys have got to recognize. That's not a second best. That's a disastrous spill. What's what's the disaster. I'm sort of still missing. What you think. The harms are going to be honest. If none of the money spending mattered. Why why not just spend an infinite amount of money ever particular year including ridiculous right. No i'm not saying no harm so happen but i think if there's if like say we've had years where inflation has been pretty low like one percent you know so. Let's say next year because all this money's floating around inflation goes to two and a half percent. I think that's a harm. But i think the harm are outweighed by the benefits of doing the bill when you include. Both you know the fact that things really need to be done say the post office really needs to be bailed out. It'd be much more of a harm. If the post office failed than inflation went up a little bit. And in other cases. I think Political promises estimating the amount so when you say oh it's just going to be inflation a little bit. I mean again. We've at the rate that we're talking here if you go back and we're not talking about inflation increasing maybe one percent or two percent. We're talking more in the range of three and four percent and that's again when you're starting to get in those areas where we can see economically speaking that this has long term harms so for example to people's long-term savings right. So you can say. Hey that's only a even in your particular estimate. Let's say we put that two point five percent that means the individuals who were saving and trying to get done for retirement now have to do a two point. Five percent more per year for their earnings in order to be able to save. You're talking about actual working class human beings and it's a secondary back tax that they're paying attacks on the backside. That's the truth. Stock market's been doing better than ten percent a year people saving for retirement or not going to be that badly harmed if inflation goes up a little bit and i'm one of fifty five years old but the honest then that is in fact a harm on those people and invisible harm. And that's the that's the reason democrats are doing it this way. It's because they don't have to raise taxes they can have an invisible tax on a bunch of people who don't realize what this means is a compound interest over their savings over time. so what. You're what you're advocating for here is that you're saying look joe. Biden has to keep this promise in the way he's going to keep this promise is by having an invisible tax on individuals and that way he can push it through without actually having to talk about the real thing democrats could raise tax. Put it part of this deal. But they're not doing that because they'd rather have it at the back end. they don't wanna take. They don't wanna take responsibility for historic spending increases now. I think that's wrong on both counts for for one thing. I was being honest about it. I'm the one who raised the issue of inflation. My my point is that. I think that will happen but that i think the benefits outweigh the harms that Small amounts of inflation will cause and then the other thing is a lot of people who are being benefited by to the extent that the people are getting a fourteen hundred dollar checks a lot of the people getting those checks right now are people who actually are Either having you know out of work or having reduced comes or having a hard time making ends meet and so they really actually need the money to live on. And that's and that's actually more important to them. Do you think seventy five grand cap is still a little high. But but i think for some people who are who are making less right now You know they're really in a situation where they they need the emergency aid and that that's more important than than Being very vigilant about inflation. So i think there's cost and benefits here But i think when you're counting the cost there's also costs of doing too. Little obama was only able to too little in two thousand nine and it caused a much slower recovery. Then there might have otherwise been and i think government has to be seen as actually delivering results to people to restore some of the faith in government and to the extent that government can do that right. Now that's beneficial. And finally. I did say i do believe that. They're going to raise taxes. I think that's part of the plan. It's just not part of this bill. That's actually normal to do that in a separate bill. Well i mean i. I'm on board as long as you're going to try to make ends meet. But i think i think you are downplaying games and think this. This is an example of is oftentimes hammer on republicans for wanting to cut taxes. But not actually pay for those tax cuts and on the other side. This is gonna. This is the same kind of thing. Small amounts of tax increases will not pay for one year spending in three bills and so to say that even at the most minimal level of harm. You're talking about a particular back in tax. And i think the reason both parties do. This is something that mike. And i have talked about. Two is because it's politically expedient. It's a way of doing what you're suggesting. It looks like governments doing good at the same time. They're actually paying the bill but they're going to pay the bill that they're paying the bill in an invisible way In a dishonest way in my opinion because they don't want to pay for it on the upfront. And so you know. Maybe i'll eat my words if later in the year. democrats Move the needle either on spin some spending items and cut those back in a way that helps pay for this and they meaningfully raised taxes in a way. It's gonna even take a bite out of this. But i doubt it. I think i mean if you look at one point nine. Trillion spent now plus plus three. What about three point. Four point four four eight trillion for all three bills together. Yeah so no. I agree with you. They're not going to raise taxes to collect four point four trillion dollars in a year. But i think you know they're gonna raise taxes by maybe to collect. Maybe maybe a somewhere between a tenth an eighth of that amount of more in a year and those increases are going to stay in effect at least until the republicans come back and take control and reduce them again. There isn't going to be a need for spur stimulus spending like this every year. In fact tax revenues may go up even more than just the amount of tax increases. Because you're gonna have a lot of businesses coming back online after the pandemic and paying taxes again. You have a lot of people going back to work and paying taxes again. So i think revenues would just naturally go up even without a a rate increase. 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