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Should doctors prescribing livestock medicine for Covid face consequences?

"Tonight on all f. i was not going to extend this forever. War and i was not extending a forever exit. The president marks the end of war abroad as an elective. Republicans suggest taking up arms at home tonight the growing backlash to a congressmens wild incitement and how kevin mccarthy is now threatening the january six investigation then as the president speaks the nation on afghanistan how americans are embracing refugees of our longest war plus sixteen years after katrina taking stock of what did and did not fail in new orleans if there's a silver lining and today it's kind of hard to see one it is that a levy systems really did perform extremely well and is it time for doctors' groups to start sanctioning. The doctors giving out livestock drugs to cova patients and all in starts right now. Good evening from new york. I'm chris hayes. As america and americans today assess the aftermath of the end of the twenty year war. Many people have noted that the violence in afghanistan itself is not far from it. I mean there are millions of afghans. These are of course people like you and me family members jobs hopes dreams who have known only war their entire lives in the history of human life on this planet. Most political conflict has been resolved violently. Conquering empires bloody civil wars and pogroms and ethnic cleansing. It's a great miracle of a functioning. Liberal democracy like the one that we find ourselves in that we find a way to resolve the inherent conflict between different factions and beliefs and religions ethic groups without resorting to dial violence. That's the idea anyway. The ideas we resolve those differences through democratic struggle and protest and free speech and politics and all those other features we have of liberal democratic nations like our own but all that is being threatened right now before our eyes in a way that i do not think. Many people quite have grasped last night. We showed you some examples of straight up. Menacing threats of violence against school board members and their requirements for students to wear masks during a pandemic. Forget going into these school boards. We're bringing data. Then you go into school were immovable. That's what you do ask. Bill cody twenty men. I'm going to speak for the school board. And i'm going to give them an option that can lead they could be remain are the vaccine banning. Whoever rumps yes. We're coming to your four. We're talking to your home. You want to feel intimidated. He wanted to many. We're coming civil wars talking. Civil war is coming people. You know there's building a building. Her shadow for a second civil war flirtation with thoughts about it among some of the right and we saw that on full display of course on january six. That's day that gave us the. I really violent reaction to interrupt a peaceful transfer of power essentially since fort sumter. After abraham lincoln inauguration thousands began that day listening to trump repeat lies about a stolen election telling the crowd never give up never concede and trump supporters. Some armed with weapons storm the capitol building. It broke down doors and shattered windows to get in forcing congress to adjourn and take shelter easily. One of america's ugliest days and the idea of starting a civil war was a recurring theme for example. Here's a group of january six insurrectionist with magas civil war printed on their shirts but those who took part in that violent insurrection including the nearly six hundred people been charged in the process of becoming martyrs and political prisoners in the eyes of the faction that support their actions. Which brings us to freshman congressman. Madison cawthorn a republican from north carolina. This past sunday. He came out and lied about the election. Being rigged warned of violence and bloodshed if these non existent rigged elections. Continue to tell you the job i was do. The elected arlington systems. Continue to be continuing. Stolen is going to lead to one placement bloodshed. And i'll tell you as much as i am willing to defend our liberty at all us. There's nothing that i do. Dread doing more than having to pick up arms against the fellow there is nothing. I dread doing more than having to pick up arms against fellow. American dread doing more that construction plainly. Is you dread a thing that you might have to. do you. Dread taking a test tomorrow you dread having to deliver bad news. It's a thing you don't want to do. But that's the construction. The congressman used their about taking up arms against fellow americans. And what are you doing. Is encouraging more violent insurrection along lines of january six when asked to clarify his remarks as spokesperson for the congressman said. He was in no way supporting advocating for any former violence. And that cawthorn was clearly add. Coffin was clearly advocating for violence not to occur over election integrity questions but again that's not what he said what he said. Was that if things get bad enough. Then people might have to take up arms. I would do it. I will do it. But i dread to the last thing i want to do. A one void that by dealing with election security and let's be clear the dealing with election security he and others talking about is making sure. Democrats don't want elections because there no breach in security in last avengers presidential election. It's one thing when some faced vein popping rage addict screams at someone or at a camera like that dude that we saw at the meeting. There are a local school board or some public hearing. It's bad enough. It's a little embarrassing for them. But bad enough as it is. It's another thing. Altogether when a member of congress flirts with the possibility of political violence from the american right towards the people the american right perceives to be its enemies a member of congress. That's how the big lie. The election was stolen. Works and in. This case is leading to what sounds like a call for violence nearly ten months after the election. This is still going on. They're not stopping the d. Legitimization of joe biden big lie. He was not actually elected this recourse to violence as a possible solution in a spectrum of solutions that lay out before us old happening amid rhetoric. That's increasingly violent and militant and gun obsessed to be giving stronger by the day. Both in and outside our government must go. He is a clear and present danger to the nation. The all look. I'm going to wash. Stop the pelosi agenda and not gonna thought they don't share about protecting your freedom of speech the right to bear arms or even alexa security. They're more concerned about appeasing aleph then they are standing up for us time to bring out the big guns and the big guns or the millions of men and women in this country feel as their voices are being earth. I'll be your voice again. Both of those people are running for elected office. Now imagine if you saw those ads for another country. It's like oh. This is a slice of the democratic culture in this country. People with guns like that you think. Look a certain portion of americans leather guns american politicians have been posing with guns but mostly in. That's for hunting for years but this feels different. It just does. It feels like intimidation the presence of the gun in a political ad like that big guns. I'm going to shoot up nancy. Pelosi socialism alters perception of what is being senate any context and this is why congress medicine cawthorn said and what he's done should be disqualified a sitting member of congress raising the specter violence of civil war of taking up arms against phil americans a thing. He dreads doing if future presidential elections. Do not go his way. he's not the only one. These sorts of intimations of violence threats of violence have become increasingly common among a certain faction of the republican party congresswoman. Marjorie taylor green georgia. Some unique suggests that people encouraging others to get vaccinated should be shot to congressman matt. Gaetz of florida tongue supports the second amendment is for armed rebellion against the government. You know it sounds hyperbolic say it but this is part of how peaceful liberal democracy is undone group or party or institutions or groups of people within a society withdraw from the political sphere of argument debate and they move forward with fantasies of violence and violent insurrection. Congressman schiff is a member january six select committee. He was the lead impeach manager and trump's first peach bit. He's the chair of the house intelligence committee as well and he joins me. Now what do you think about your colleague. Madison cawthorn said will is so irresponsible. It's hard to imagine but this is really a continuation of the big law. What he's saying is if elections continue to be rigged. He may find it necessary to take up arms. Of course the election wasn't rig so what he's really saying is if he continues to propagate the lies about our election it may lead him to bear arms do confront is allies and this is the danger that led us into january sixth the propagation of falsehoods about our election the glorifying political violence urging other people potentially to violence and it couldn't be more reprehensible but it's also reflective of this new generation of republican members of congress that came to congress basically each of them trying to scream out the other trying to get their fifteen minutes of fame for being more outlandish than the other all devoted to tearing down the institutions of government. Never making the transition to governing in any way and it's just a incredibly dangerous trend for the country. You mentioned january six. of course you're on the select committee. Yesterday we got news. Select committee is preparing already sent out requests telecom companies communications in that includes members of congress. I i want to ask you read the statement. That minority leader kevin mccarthy issue. But i i just want to ask you. Do you have any wariness about this line. Do you have any worry. Was there discussion. The committee about what precedent this might set to be getting phone records from fellow members of congress. Certainly we've discussed the range of requests that were making you without getting into any particular conversation. We looked at the historic precedent and there is precedent for seeking records relating to members of congress on most often in the context of ethics investigations. While i think participating in an insurrection. An armed insurrection against the government is among the most serious ethics violations. You could imagine if not more than that but yes we did consider it. I and i think that at the end of the day we're determined that whoever was involved in this effort to prevent the peaceful transfer of power should not be able to hide behind their office. A we wanna develop all the facts if people were not involved in trying to overturn the government. They should be concerned. But clinton kevin mccarthy clearly is provided reasons. Not the least of which is is boss. His master mar-a-lago doesn't want it to happen. I will read you now. The statement he issued in full because it mentions. You wanna get your your response to it. He says adam. Schiff bennie thompson and nancy pelosi attempts to strong arm. Private companies to turn over individual's private data would put every american with a phone or computer in the crosshairs of surveillance state run by democrat politicians. If these companies comply with the democrat ordered turnover private information they are in violation of federal law subject to losing their ability to operate in the united states if companies still choose to violate federal law. A republican majority will not forget. And we'll stand with americans to hold them fully accountable under the law. This is not a threat of violence but it is certainly a threat that is making in response to this will is a threat as a threat to premise falsehood of that. Somehow asking these companies to preserve records were ultimately to turn over records of people. Involved in selection is somehow against the law. That's just flat wrong. But mccarthy look scare. And i think his boss is scared. They didn't want this commission in this. Select committee to go. Forward is certainly didn't want to go forward as it is on a bipartisan basis. And they don't want the country to know exactly what they were involved in. And you can see why i mean. These two stories are not unrelated to each other. Is caucuses conference. Members are people in for who are still pushing. The big lie resulted in the insurrection. To begin with they're still pushing a big lie that may resulted further violence in the future. The last thing can mccarthy wants to do is take on these rabble rousers in his conference because frankly they represent donald trump and kevin mccarthy liz to do whatever donald trump wants but he is trying to threaten these companies. I added shows yet again. Why this man at mccarthy can never be allowed to go anywhere near the speaker's office and this is a question i'm going to ask and you ain't no nothing about but i'm gonna ask because the news just came over that republican congressman mark. Mullen of oklahoma has been making multiple attempts to get into afghanistan Reportedly went to jamaica. Stan was gonna enter with a bunch of cash. Ask the embassy. They told him. That's a terrible idea. You can't do that. And as his whereabouts are unknown and as chair of the house intelligence committee. I just wonder if you know anything about this or having read on. Where congressman mullen is. He's a member of our committee. That i don't know what his circumstances are but a lot of our members feel very. I think desperate to try to help people particularly those that have served in iraq afghanistan. no interpreters routers who had risked. While i can understand that and i feel very much the same way are we don't wanna put people's lives in risk with a win put. Our service numbers lives at risk by one of the members putting themselves in a position where they make farm and i think when members for example went to afghanistan while we trying to evacuate others it added to the burdens of those conducting the evacuation added to the dangers of others. So i really think we need to work through the administration to try to continue to evacuate the any people that worked with us. Who are threatened. But i don't think that's the right way to do it. All right congressman. Adam schiff thanks so much for making some time tonight queue up next the. Us finally out of afghanistan for the first time in nearly twenty years. The president declares the era of nation building over. We succeeded in what we set out to do. Enough ghanistan over a decade ago. Then we stayed for another decade. It was time to end this war day. President joe biden addressed the nation marking yesterday's historic event. The end of america's longest war my fellow americans. The war in afghanistan is now over. It was time to be honest with the american people again. We no longer had a clear purpose in an open-ended mission in afghanistan after twenty years of warren afghanistan. I refuse to send another generation america's sons and daughters to fight a war should've ended long ago. President forcefully defended his decision to fully withdrawal the united withdraw the united states military after two decades of occupation in afghanistan. Those final moments looked like this. This is an image of the last american soldier. Leave the country. His name is major. General chris donohue. He's commanding general the eighty second airborne and this is just before he boarded the final c. Seventeen plane to take off from the airport and couple today secretary of state. Tony blinken also shared this photo of the last remaining american diplomats in kabul the acting. us ambassador to afghanistan. ross. Wilson is the man holding the folded american flag. A new era now begins both for the united states for afghanistan under taliban rule and for tens of thousands of afghan refugees now spread all over the world ninety eight countries including the united states have agreed to take in groups of display that displaced afghans refugees evacuated to an american airbase in germany spoke about what they left behind but also what they're looking forward to twenty thousand evacuees have already come through. Hey brought on. Giant transport planes the accommodation as rudimentary. But the mood. Here is one of happiness and relief among the crowds. Lima and her father hamid at the start of the month. She was a news presenter on afghan television. now she's a refugee dandelion dangerous to live in afghanistan. That situation for over taliban had founded the television network. It was stopped only by women achievement. Just we lost it in less than twenty four hours and the new live with new chapters might be stopped but then you we have a hope and vision to come back stronger. Afghans at the air base in germany are on their way the united states where they hope to rebuild their lives in safety kimberly motley as an international human rights attorney who's in mexico working to escort afghan vacuous of us also author of lawless. A lawyers unrelenting fight for justice in a war zone. Jason candor join the army after september. Eleventh he's served in afghanistan as military intelligence officer rise in the rank of captain after serving the missouri house representatives as missouri secretary state is now the president of the veterans community project. And they both join me now. I'm kimberly i want to get a a an on the ground view from you now. I know that you've been very active in getting refugees out. You're you're in mexico where a bunch of folks have ended up. In fact i think about the new york times of the people associate with the new york times had ended up in mexico. Thanks to the intervention of their foreign minister there. What what what is the situation on the ground there like in terms of those people getting to safety and now being resettled well. They can have me chris. The mexican government has been extremely friendly and generous with their opening the doors to afghan evacuees. And so you know. They're transitioning them. They're trying to figure out what type of housing give them on programs and things like that which is very encouraging They've been going so far as to actually go physically to the airport to you know. Welcome personally those that are coming in the country so it's really really encouraging. A lot of people have less very traumatic situations from afghanistan literally running for their lives with shirts off their backs leaving all of their belongings in a lot of their loved ones behind. So it's a very encouraging place where people are being sent in. So i'm here to sort of help to support them and to sort of figure out the next steps for them With this new chapter that's e any of their lives jason. There's been a lot of A darkness and in grief and fear and catastrophe in the last few weeks and one of the bright spots. I think as you noted Is this sort of sprawling effort. That happened across all sorts of areas of civil society. People that i know of veterans people that work in the foreign foreign service working with ngos and immediate companies all this sort of volunteer effort to get people out. You talked about wanting that story to be written. Tell me a little bit about what what has been like what that's looks like. It's it's been this incredible inspiring little little piece of a really really awful couple of weeks And i actually commented to one of the people who i met in the last few days and now we're very close in these in these hodgepodge. Ragtag groups of people have come together do this. I actually said that this week feels like argo meets stripes. It's just it's just people who in some cases it's civilians who really didn't have any connection to this in the beginning who just dropped everything but in in a lot of cases it's it's people like myself. I'm a former army intelligence officer. It's people like you know that. I worked with intelligence whether they were in the military or not. But then it's also folks like one of the people. I've been working with never deployed. And they feel like this is their deployment and they're a reservist and it's just any little piece of intelligence a reliable rumor that we can get about a way to get somebody out where all sort of it together to to figure it out. In many cases it's working in some cases it hasn't worked yet But it keeps you going. Kimberly there's been some really disgusting bigoted demagoguery directed at these folks. These desperate people who are fleeing the taliban that they are quote unvetted that they represent some menace some potential fifth column. You know as a lawyer. Who's working through the bureaucracy of this i i. I'm curious how you respond to people saying that. Will i mean i think definitely there that people on the ground or doing the best that they can to make sure that those that are going to different countries are vetted properly. I mean frankly. This was not something that anyone could have planned for. This was a humanitarian nuclear bomb that frankly exploded on afghanistan in a very very fast pace To the point that there were afghanistan was prepared nor were other countries prepare. And so i think that's That's a little selfish. Frankly for people to be saying things. I agree with what you're up against saint jason. There are way more acts of kindness. I have seen within the last couple of weeks there. Had there are On various Of what what's up. Chatrooms as i am. Don't even know who these people are. Just trying to help as many people as we can. And i think that's what we need to do as a world. I mean we really need to support and make sure that those with in afghanistan that are staying and frankly those that are also outside afghanistan that we could do that support and from a legal perspective. Of course we we. We believe that people should be vetted and people are trying to do that as best as they can. Which is why you know. There is usually a country that afghans are sent to before. They're going onto their new home place So those things are happening. And i think people are saying that may be very very misinformed as to what a lot of the on the ground work. That's being done to make sure people are moving safely and bad. All the various countries where people are being sent are also protected. Moving forward on that know that. Go ahead please. Everybody anybody who is saying something like or these people vetted what people who've been involved in this the last couple weeks like myself. What we hear is can we trust them. Because the very the initial bedding or the vetting begins is you. Don't get somebody like me. Leaving their ringer on all night and getting a different long distance plan so that i can call afghanistan several times a day for somebody who i think could be isis like. That's not happening. And and frankly. I find it insulting that anybody suggesting otherwise kimberly motley and jason candor. Both of whom have been working very hard to bring people safety. And thank you both for your efforts. And i for sharing some of your perspective with us. I appreciate it chris. Coming up how. The devastating impact hurricane ida proves the value of investing in infrastructure. That's next louisiana. And other parts of the south are still reeling from hurricane ida. Hundreds of thousands of people lack access to power and running water but in new orleans. There is at least one piece of very good news. The one hundred ninety two miles of levees and floodwalls did what they were supposed to do. If there's a silver lining and today it's kind of hard to see one it. Is that our levy systems really did perform extremely well Our federal nonfederal levy systems particularly the hurricane and storm risk reduction system in the metropolitan new orleans area all performed as intended. That's not an accident on the levees. Breaking were the most critical failures of hurricane katrina in two thousand five. And that was really. That was the worst thing that happened right. Dozens of floodwalls collapsed and as a result. Eighty percent of new orleans flooded as much as fifty. It shouldn't have but it did and everything that happened after that was a result of it and that in turn led to widespread power outages transportation issues and all the human misery and suffering that we all saw television and it's a large part of why the aftermath of the storm was so devastated so after that federal state local government cited do something about it every level of government and ngos and citizens of new orleans. Understood a filler. Like that could never be allowed to happen again. The federal government spent more than fifteen billion dollars to proactively. Fortifying expanded levy system. They stabilized barriers. They reinforced for walls was steal the overhaul pumping stations to produce flooding. They built a one billion dollar surge wall at a key. Inflection point that extends nearly two miles long and more than twenty six feet high to avoid the scenario that unfolded sixteen years ago to the day when storm surges overtook the barriers. And it worked. The system is not perfect. There are many who think that the erosion of the swampland is something that has to be dealt with as well. Civil engineers argued there still more to be done to fortify the city but we managed to avoid massive failure. That happened during katrina. which again. that's really good. Important stuff goes to show how important investments in critical infrastructure can be and why more investments are desperately needed to avoid a situation like we saw over the weekend when electrical tower crumpled in the storm landing partially in the mississippi river by one estimate climate disasters have already cost us more than one point eight trillion dollars in damage over the last forty years. Say nothing of the cost of human suffering misery and death. We know they're only to get worse. Which is why it is crucial. We do it. New orleans did an invest ahead of time. Congressman troy cars democrat representing louisiana's second congressional district which contains new orleans and at link senior research engineer university of maryland's department of civil and environmental engineering. He worked with the us army corps of engineers for reinforce the levees in new orleans congressman. Let me start with you just to get a sense of where things stand particularly on the on the power aspect of the situation while we hear me. We find ourselves situation. Now where much of our city district much of the state is without our people without electricity without cellular service cellular services getting better now and obviously that's critically important to be able to communicate so we'll know where they are that need help and they'll be able to contact us or access the resources that are available and we're hopeful that energy would at some sixteen thousand line on on the ground we'll be able to restore service as soon as possible. Ever let me ask you about your involvement of on the levee side of things. I mean it really was one of the most catastrophic infrastructure failures in recent memory. Huge studies done afterwards multiple reports and concerted effort to address it. What what what are those efforts. Look like how do you feel about how it appears to perform have performed in in what what some say is the fifth. Most powerful storm ever to make landfall. Well it's very gratifying. To wake up sunday morning and find out that people reporting from new orleans were standing on dry ground. I think what happened in new orleans after katrina is a great example of what has to happen a lot of other places around the country. Congress gave the provided the resources that allowed a very conscientious comprehensive analysis of what went wrong. And why and the ability to create a design of a new system based on risk that was much more conservative and much more robust and based on new information. Not legacy information sixties and seventies type information that the old system was based on so it was teamwork it was resources and it was a great will to get this thing done by everybody. Involved from within new orleans and externally It's it's exactly what needs to happen in a lot of other places for the grid. I mean the grid and cell service congressman carreer to your trigger point about the two major pieces of infrastructure that are down for your constituents essential utility company there what what happened what the timeline is like. And it doesn't inform how you're thinking about these big votes on infrastructure that are happening in dc later this summer. Most certainly we think about infrastructure. Upset the salt along that if there was something that was by artisan that was not tied to a party. infrastructure is just that we know that if we were to build back better and by building better i say instead of having these transmission lines exposed where every time we have hurricane. We have to redo this better thinking in a better usa taxpayers dollars would be to bury those paralyze underground and make sure that we don't have this kind of issue in future years with hurricanes. Come we know that investment that was made sixty years ago after katrina pay huge dividends in this hurricane. While it's horrible. It is difficult and painful. Is this argue was. It could have been a lot worse going forward. We should use our infrastructure dollars to put our airlines underground in bill back barry so we can be able to be much more resilient going forward professor hill. You made a really important point here when you're talking about the basically the risk data right like what's the universe to the possible and people calculate what's a what's called a thousand year flood right which is what you know the actual projection probabilistically. You get one of these flies every thousand years right if you sixties and seventies data you get bad risk assessments because the climate is changing and that seems to be a crucial part of this here. Is that all forms of of sort of civil engineering and environmental engineering. Now have to take. As the data set they calculate risk off of a much more current set of data and project out forward to be able to meet the kind of tail risk of possibilities that threaten us this. This effort in new orleans after katrina was actually the first large gis spatial geographically distributed infrastructure system that was rebuilt redesigned based on risk information. That that was brand. New risks has been used in a lot of other industries The petrochemical industry and so on but it has not been used water resources infrastructure to a large degree that it but it is now they primary focus of agencies like the army corps of engineers. They have restructured all of their guidance and methods to be based on modern risk assessments to support. Decision congressman. Troy carter and ed. Linke both congressman. Were or we're thinking about your constituents and hope people get our power back soon still ahead. His doctors push course where medicine to treat covert wise in the medical profession policing its own and stopping those doctors. That's coming up. Seventeen of the nearly six hundred people arrested in connection with the january. Six insurrection have this guy as his name. Is john pierce. He's an anti vaccine. Conservative lawyer. recently tweeted quote. The entire eighty second airborne couldn't make me get an experimental government vaccine stuck in my arm. Will now it seems like those seventeen people. He represents without representation and that is because us reportedly sick with code and on a ventilator according to federal prosecutors there is a flourishing right wing information ecosystem that has turned against the vaccine and it just producing tragedy for many within that ecosystem for them for their loved ones families. This week conservative talk. Show host named marc bernier. A guy who spoke out against vaccine died of cova died at the age of sixty five. He's the third conservative radio host. Who publicly rejected vaccines to die. The virus a texas man named caleb wallace who led anti mask rally last year in his state in protested corona virus negation efforts. As recently as june died this week a virus the virus whose only thirty years old he leaves behind a pregnant wife and three children. I want to be clear here about these stories and they come in every week. Multiple weeks getting cova does not some kind of come up benson revelation of personal moral failing. These are excruciating human tragedies every single one of them and especially because the outbreak right now in this nation is being driven by the unvaccinated and a safe effective available. Free vaccine can prevent so much of the suffering. We are seeing the alternative information ecosystem. That caused suffering enlarge part has grown over the decades. It's the same one that's been saying. Climate changes is not real. They're faking the temperatures and yada yada yada apparently however senate minority leader mitch. Mcconnell was caught unaware honestly my friends. It never occurred to me that we'd have a challenge getting people to take the victory. But that's where we are. We're all perplexed as to how we talk loose probable shocks. How'd that happened for the record. This occurred to basically everyone paying attention. Everyone you didn't have to be a genius comment now to his credit mitch. Mcconnell does believe in vaccines and he has cut his second. Psa encouraging residents in kentucky they get vaccinated. The problem of course is republicans around listening to mitch mcconnell. You might be the senate minority leader but come. There's this ravenous demand for misinformation increasingly. There are doctors medical professionals who are willing to show up in their white coats on youtube and at senate hearings and tell people what they want to hear. There are some miracle horse agent that can protect them from cove it while we all debate. How disinformation should be regulated. And what tech companies should do one question. I have not heard a good answer to is this. Shouldn't the medical profession be policing its own. What are the consequences for doctors. Pushing snake oil solutions to get into that after the break. Back in december republican. Senator ron johnson. Wisconsin held a hearing on the homeland security committee about alternative treatments for corona virus. He was then chairman so he could do that kind of thing. It was an addendum hearing to another one to place weeks earlier. But johnson's hearing a very specific drug took center stage hydroxy chloroquine and other safe long used agents such as ivermectin. This show particular promise but there are others. They could be immediately available if the government stopped blocking access and determine their use. It seems like a no brainer that you should try it. And here's the thing about ivermectin going back to ivermectin because you know this. That is my message today that it is the cure for this category. Where you support ivermectin right. of course. you're not confused about that right sadder. i've erecting you probably heard by now is a drug often given to livestock to treat parasites. It's typically for horses sheep although it is used for people It's not as far as we can tell. Safari corona virus miracle drug. But that last person. You heard from senator ron johnson's hearing dr pierre. Corey is one of the founding members of a group calling itself frontline cove nineteen critical care alliance which pushes ivermectin heavily. The group is comprised of ten doctors with a page telling visitors if your doctor will not prescribe directed for you please. Contact one of the providers listed below that trump's not alone the right wing pandemic misinformation machine has been in overdrive conservative media anti vaccine figures have latched onto ivermectin as a cure. The government won't allow you to have or something so of course. The stuff is flying off the shelves at farm supply stores. You've probably seen these stories now. I'm responsible this. The american medical association the professional association for physicians released a statement last week on ivermectin should not be used to prevent or treat corona virus. Which prompts the question. Why aren't these professional medical groups doing more to police members in their group pushing this misinformation. Dr marion goshi. Hill is an er doctor. And president of the american board of emergency medicine which a statement last week reminding members that making public statements that are directly contrary to prevailing. Medical evidence can constitute unprofessional conduct. And if a doctor is found doing so may withdraw or deny certification. Dr goshi hill joins me now. Dr thank you for coming on the program. Your statement caught my eye. Because i was doing a little research on this question and this seemed the strongest one that any medical group has put out. Can you tell me a little bit about what prompted it. yeah. I think the the biggest thing is that we had received any of a number of Concerns by some of our certified emergency physicians as well as public in terms of the misinformation and potential harm on public safety so without We've felt given that we had already published a code of professionalism in april. Twenty twenty one. We felt that a statement relative to spreading misinformation that rises to the level of aggressiveness. that may impact public. Safety is worth putting out a statement that that's something that we will be reviewing. Yeah you know. Detect back for a second. I mean you know lawyers and doctors. These are these are guilds. They're interesting sort of public private partnerships. government grants a monopoly. You can't just become a doctor. Right open lemonade. Stand right. you gotta go through this sort of process of professional certification and the idea is that intern. There's some policing internal to the profession. What you know how do you think about that. How how how. How often are those consequences applied a in your professional doctors that are doing things should not be. That are medically unethical while doctors do police themselves. Obviously the medical boards do. And i think other certifying bodies worse certifying body a for emergency physicians and really the key thing is I think we have a duty to self-govern in a way. That's really accountable and accountable. Not only to our diplomats to ensure the value of certification but also to the public trusts us and we want to ensure that the public is confident that when they are treated by a board certified emergency physician that they're getting the best care possible and also win board certified emergency. Physicians make statements that they do so that really Ensures the safety of the public. It's striking to me and i. I'm curious to hear your thoughts on this. But if you spend time in the world of this sort of alternate information ecosystem. Whether it's pushing things like ivermectin before that hydrochloric chloroquine or or that the the vaccine is is not safe effective. You find a lot of doctors. I mean it's not a small handful of them in absolute numbers but they do and they're they're in their lab coat. The use of medical authority to promote this has been really a key. Part of the vector of this disinformation. You know. I think many doctors mean well and this has been a dynamic situation in which information was coming in very quickly and there were drugs antivirals that had promised but really have not been borne out. We just have to understand that. That's the case. Yeah you're pointing here to some of the nuance which is obviously information. Changes medicine is complicated. And you certainly didn't want kind of like stalinist buddy. Body that like stop. People from debating effective treatment regimens particularly if you have doctors who are finding success with certain treatment regimen but certain point. When you're it seems to me to cross the line when you're basically becoming kind of warehouse to prescribe this drug for folks that you know. There's not a lot of medical evidence to support and could be having a a real deleterious effect insofar as it tells people that they don't need to get the vaccine. I think the bottom line is we do not want to stop debate or discourse we don't want people to be afraid to speak their mind but again If there is concerned that impacts people who could receive treatment that is otherwise helpful a. Then we certainly have a concern. And so i think that the bottom line is What we're going to do is as an organization a certifying body. We want to uphold the highest standards that we can of emergency medicine and And we do. This thoughtfully okay. This is not something. There is due process that would be important review and it is important to understand that everyone on the board is practicing emergency physician. We're in it on the front lines like all of our colleagues and we want to ensure you now that their certification has value and the public continues to trust us. Yeah i mean one of the one of the things. I've heard from critical Knocks people coming in sicker. Because they are self medicating this piece in huff. Po mentioning caleb wallace individual from texas. I talked about today's thirty self medicating with a cocktail vitamin cs. Inc aspirin ivermectin an dying at the age of thirty. That's something i've heard anecdotally from a lot of doctors. And it's really really upsetting me here that dr marianne cousy hill Board certified emergency medicine. Thank you so much. Thank you for having that does it. For all in you can catch us every weeknight at eight o'clock on msnbc. Don't forget to like us on facebook. That's facebook dot com slash. All in with chris.

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I think I think it's the nature of the favor that is being requested. And where I I. I've never worked in national intelligence agents but one a member of that community raises their hand and says this is abnormal. And it's concerning. I want even if it is against a the president with whom I am aligned politically if a member of the CIA who reviews those records says this is abnormal and this is concerning. I certainly hope it is reviewed viewed now. So you do you do not. Do you believe that that a member of the CIA can have a favourite. Can they have a political fleet. Do I mean I I. I'm sure they certainly vote. I think that's certainly vote members Or as citizens all over world leaders are politicians. They know that politicians liked to have domestic control over their future. It should not be a surprise to anyone that that a president of the United States might might have a conversation with the leader of a foreign country as the issue so ornate might have been discussed and Donald Trump is not the first person to have Bruce Democrats did it liberals did it. Republicans did it conservative. I don't doubt Out Your assessment and I have I have about as much trust in the in the Central Intelligence Agency as I do in my cats not to kill the birds flying outside the windows of my home however the last time I appear on this program you called yourself a law and order guy I am so the laws are on the books so it seems that you're in the position of either saying that the United States should revoke those laws about appealing for political medical favors from a foreign government or entity. Like I said wait a minute. Why would you allow our? Why would you grant immunity to president trump solely on the grounds that? Perhaps maybe we can speculate. That other presidents have died but we don't have proof of it point of reference because to me and they'll go to. We're GONNA go to break. I am a law and order guy and by the way I support a inquiry into into the impeachment. I support the if if there's bad news there let's not let's let everybody vote on it. Let's then let's go to the polls and after the after the Senate has voted on it. Let's find a what we do in a nation a week from this coming November your November. I'm all for that but let's lag shortly worked out. What is hope? Hope to me was just that he would get to come home. I had no idea how hardly be once he got back. I wish you'd stop drinking so much. She thinks it's helping but it's not a hope. She sees that soon I oh I don't care if he comes to my games but I hope he does. I hope he find happiness again now. My hope mix. GRANDPA will get help. He thinks is to eight. And it's not with everything that he's going through. I hope he he sees a counselor. I just want my brother back. I hoped he'd get help. Stop hoping things would get better on their own. He told me to stop asking. I did and then one day he asked for hope is knowing their other families just like yours. That the veterans they love got help and recovered go to make the connection into action. uh-huh after her right Bruce Dumont Bank in Chicago. Bruno has has just said that everyone on the panel tonight could probably go to jail for I said I said that. The the the law enforcement structure of this country is so so unbelievably powerful that if they want to target you and they wanNA bring you down they can and while Dave is correct that the president's presidents have a great deal of power particularly while they're in office and they have a certain control over the administration of how things are done. It is also true and we saw this with the Russia investigation and all kinds of other things. I've heard Democrats laugh at the term deep state whereas I think the deep state is so obvious that how can anybody laugh at. And and these these whistle blowers these are apparatchiks that have been there under all these administrations. There's a they have an idea about how they want things to operate. I don't find that they're particularly competent. I'm not one of those law and order worshiping conservatives I think the FBI and the CIA are pretty good definition of a clown show sometimes and they've got the track record to prove it. I'm just saying that it's not like it's it's not like it isn't obvious that everyone across the political spectrum. That isn't a populist would love to get rid of Donald trump disagree with the CIA in the FBI. There's really not perfect but I would rather live in a country with them than without them. I'd like to see them be more honest. And that's that's on both sides go to Congress who has by the way I on the subject of modest and then we're going to introduce the guests but on the subject of honesty. You've heard me say numerous times times on this program over the last several years That the national news media is getting to the point where it's almost laughable. If you're not crying about what they do it it it's it's laughable because their ability to present anything in a non-bias Nonpartisan way is is pretty much out the windows and the and the bigger they are the worst they are in my opinion If you did not see if you did not watch meet the press today. Look forward on Youtube goal and look forward. Because Ron Johnson. The Republican senator from Wisconsin Cheers The Senate Homeland Security Committee. He was on with Chuck Todd and he brings Chuck Todd on because he wants to do a number on chuck todd like he wants to do on most Republicans he brings on the show but watch the conduct of Ron Johnson but really watch the conduct of Chuck. Todd he goes bananas. Ron Johnson Hands Chuck Todd his lunch big time and chuck title literally is back on his heels. He is sputtering. He is going off uncontrollably. If you ever doubted that the national news news media is biased. If you ever doubted that watch this program. There's no way in the world. He literally sputters for about fifteen minutes. And and then later on in the program when Ron Johnson is gone and he's brought on John Brennan the former CIA director who is a disgrace. Grace to the CIA director ship and is a disgraced. NBC To put him as paid analyst. They then gang up up on Ron Johnson. When Ron Johnson isn't even there to defend himself and John Brennan pontificates and he then goes into a tirade where he criticizes? This is Ron Johnson. For for Ad Hominem attacks. He goes into an uncommon attack against the President United States. You've got to watch it. Watch if you can't watch the whole show. We'll just watch the segment with Ron Johnson. And if you're listening to us in the State of Wisconsin I hope you call the senator's office tomorrow and tell him that he did one of the best jobs jobs I've ever seen a Republican on national television. He would not take the bait from Chuck Todd and he took that and threw it right back in chuck. Todd's face great television now have said that speaking of great television. We're going to take a moment now to all let all of argus tonight introduce themselves and we're going to begin with our favorite liberal tonight. David Messia Tra David favorite federal. You are tonight grandma. uh-huh just tonight one here whatever role every every week all right great. Thank you Bruce. It's always a pleasure. My Name is David David Mass. Yo Trauma Rider. I regularly right for Salon. And the American conservative nothing if not interesting in journalistically promiscuous promiscuous and I'm currently working on my fifth book. I am somebody. Wi- Jesse Jackson matters. I've also written a book on Metallica. So in my book on Jackson published I can guarantee all be the only writer living or dead to have written a book on Jesse Jackson and Metallica but I have Total access to Jesse Jackson. He's one of the most insightful and important living American so when that book comes out in about a year. I hope. You'll have me back to discuss discuss it. I hope everyone will read it. House Jesse's health. He's doing well. You know Parkinson's is a tough disease and and Sometimes it's obvious that it's Taking its toll on him But he works six or seven days a week and and he travels regularly and He has a seemingly bottomless supply of energy and he at the age of seventy eight. He remains an inspiration for that reason among many and it's often because of his schedule and his refusal to relax in his refusal to surrender his commitment to the issues that that he considers of great importance that the Parkinson's is tougher for him to manage than it is for others. Well regular listeners have heard this before four but I would say even though Jesse Jackson I disagree on on a variety of issues. He's been a guest on this program. I consider him a friend of forty plus years and I would say and I've said this on the air that You know fifty years from now Jesse Jackson is going to be in the history. There's very few people who were alive today. Who are not the President President of the United States who will be in the history books and Jesse Jackson will be? I wish Godspeed in his in his battle against Parkinson's yes and it's one of the The privileges of my life. Certainly my professional life have developed this report and relationship with him and get his insights stories firsthand. Genie is tell us who you. You are a little little different background than David. Yes I'm Jeannie is. I'm a mother of five children first of all and I'm West Point graduate and and I served six years Illinois General Assembly as a state REP and then I ran for governor I am now a candidate for Congress and Illinois. I six congressional district and it's going to be a race to be watched When Next year in two thousand twenty that race is a suburban district and Trump didn't win it. The Democrats took it back. So we'll see what happens in that race. We have a great shot at winning that that debate. And I think that it's GonNa be fun to watch for everybody. It will be and Peter Nice W with us I thank you for having me I'm a CPA and author. A former candidate ran unsuccessfully for the Democratic nomination for Cook County Treasurer and for City Treasurer of Chicago My wife and I live here in the city of Chicago with our two young children. And and Yeah got the tax extension deadline key coming up and then otherwise just try to keep up with our children who gives us a rough consider yourself a liberal or moderate or conservative. I would say no more more of a moderate or more of a down the Middle Democrat I'm someone who results and systems matter to me so I would like to see constraint or confines that lead to production that actually as your horse for Twenty Twenty Buddha J- I really like him. I mean he's there are a lot of areas where he's shocked. I mean he raised over over. Twenty four million last quarter. And I like his pragmatism He's got a tough road but he's someone who. I'm excited to see as as part of the national conversation a member of the party Bruno Baron. Welcome back thank you. It's great to be back Discretion being the better part of Valor. I won't do my Jesse Jackson Imitation tation although I will say though that Tha Davis Point He's definitely a person to be respected in terms of the things that he he stood for and the things that he's done so good for him and good for having a relationship. Thank you appreciate Mine My name is Bruno Paradigm Senior Fellow on Education Issues for the heartland institute Had A radio show for a little while up in the northern suburbs. I've done political consulting for some people who have run for Congress and for Governor here here in Illinois I wrote a book. I'm not. I'm not as prolific authors. David I did write a little bit of a vanity pamphlet with a friend of mine on the Illinois Constitution and why we should have constitutional convention. Vote in two thousand eight So you know has an Asia. Well but I think one thing that has as well as criticizing the constitution is the accurate. The more accurate way to go does the question to you David into the Democrats and everybody can weigh in on it does Bernie Sanders heart attack. Doc last week do you think it eliminates him from consideration to be the nominee David. No it doesn't eliminate him but a with respect and and with a position that never forsakes the dignity of some of the older candidates running in the race race. I do think we should be mindful of once candidates of either party or other persuasion reach a certain age. There are long-term capabilities for performance in a high stress position We've seen Joe Biden for example Demonstrate signs of aging aging poorly both physically and cognitively now Bernie Sanders has had a heart attack at the age of seventy eight. That's something to take quite quite seriously so I'm not saying that we should forbid candidates above a certain age to run but we shouldn't act if it isn't a factor for our consideration. I'm betting that you're not behind Biden or sanders. No okay. He makes an interesting point. And I'm not saying that you have to tailor Taylor everything to your competition. But president trump will I think he will use whatever is at his disposal. And he certainly certainly didn't two thousand sixteen when it came to Secretary Clinton's health and when she fainted getting into one of our cars. So if as as the primary progresses aggressive I think Senator Sanders will have to have an answer for how that is politically addressed by going to be a key issue and again it just just reminds everybody that No matter what your plan might be health health can can change everybody's playing real quickly and I think that's the the case with Bernie Sanders. I think having a difficult time keeping up with Elizabeth Warren sort of In in a variety of ways although not in fundraising's raised over twenty five million dollars last quarter but again. I think it's going to be. It's got to be an issue. It's going to be a campaign issue. 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The deal is how he did it. Well that's my question. Here's the deal. That's my question to the air solution to both of you are either viewed and I hate eight to put on the spot but bluffing at all. I mean Ben Sasse said if the vote was privately and anonymously twenty to thirty Republican senators would vote for impeachment. I can't do you really believe that. Donald Trump maybe I maybe I do is is a good ah competent qualified leader of our. Here's the there's two different questions here. I is thirty feckless. Republicans who who would throw him under the bus if it were a private vote. Probably because I've met plenty of my own feckless Republicans in the state of Illinois. They they keep voting for balanced budgets and tax increases. And everything else. So probably Don roanoke. We gotta let Bruno Town. Okay so Libertarians gotTa talk so my question Ronan lowest unemployment. Okay folks I I won't. Here's the Vir- I have. I have always been. I've always been a trump skeptic on this show and I go along And everybody who knows me or what follows me on. facebook knows this so I am not a trump superfan it first of all Ben Sasse is well within his rights to say stuff like that if he wants to. I don't know whether it's true but it's probably true enough and Ben Sasse deserves credit for being one of the few people who took trump on and still is left standing. What what's interesting if you look at the gop today is trump has won his battle to take over the party and the reason they're not gonNa vote against trump and the reason Ben Sasse probably probably won't won't vote against trump is because there'll be just enough of a fingernail to say okay? I don't have to vote against him and if the Republican party he dumped trump in an election year the trump super fans that now make up easily fifty fifty five sixty percent of the party. Just GonNa be so. Oh man they'll stay home and then we're going to get you know and then we're going to get the Democrats. And here's my favorite tagline that I have about the Democrats which is why I don't have to vote for trump because I live in Illinois but I might consider voting for him if I lived in a in a swing state not because I love Donald Trump or that. I think that the earth moves down when he does a push up but because the the Democrat like job let's say Joe Biden for excess Chuck Norris Joe Biden's first term as president isn't going to be Barack Obama's third term. It's is going to be a first term. The Democrats off the rack. They of their way. Here's here's one actually right and I wanNA pull a page from our local politics where there have been a number of FBI raids lately and to his credit governor. Pritzker came out and someone said well look they. They have not been convicted. You know we have due process and governor Pritzker and I agree with him said our elected officials should be held to a higher standard and there was an op op. Ed I think it was an NPR today and asked about secretary. POMPEO and I did not understand how impressive. His resume is first in his class at West Point. Harvard for law extremely talented person but that coat a cadet will not lie cheat steal or tolerate others. Who Do we should hold those? Those who have taken that oath and genus to to to defend their country and also the values kind of the utmost pinnacle the vanguard of American values. We should expect no less of those who hold the authority to tax us and to send men and women into defend our country and I think we you should act as just as much of our elected officials any okay. Let me try and tie this both together. I Bruno. You're absolutely right. If the senators vote against trump everybody stays home. Every bit will stay home from the party. They're not they're just going to be so mad about it. Look trump for many people including me was seventeen hundred seventeen when it came out of the the primary but what he has done in terms of policy has been transformative in terms are economics. It truly has. It's it's absolutely lifted. Many the people into the workforce it's Lord people off of food stamps. It's regenerated energy in the stock market. We've had a growing stock market despite some downturns that's always going back up. Here's the deal we're going to stand by trump. Trust me we are as it goes in one of the best things he do he is doing. Is You have multiple federal investigations in Illinois. Happening right now and you have multiple Democrats under federal investigation. No by the way pritzker is not clean on this governor Pritzker it was also under federal investigation for property tax fraud. So we've got a problem here. He's talking out of both sides of his mouth but trump in his federal investigators. Investigators are all over the Democrat Party and the State of Illinois and I find that fascinating question mark or questioned for our Democrats. How comfortable comfortable are you with Adam? Schiff as the lead face and Voice of the impeachment David miserable. You know why AH sleeping on a bed of stone comfortable while it rains you know because he first of all he wasted wasted so much of his credibility on the Robert Muller Collective Yawn Russian collusion report second. His communication skills are are awful. I mean some of us have thrown around the name Alexandra Kazuyo Cortez in the squad. Say what you want about Cortez. But she's a skillful skillful communicator. If somebody with her ability to connect with the American public was leading the charge. I'd have more confidence that is. It's not Adam Schiff I would. I would have success or the failure of the impeachment. Inquiry judged on political merit is going to be determined by Congressman. Christmas shift. Just the same way that I don't think fairness of it just just like we sent. It is a political inquiry so congressman. Schiff I mean it's the same thing back in ninety eight Congressman Lahood. I didn't consider it wasn't him versus President Clinton I scare. The Chairman of the committee begins an investigation by providing a parody of what the president said What does that say about the integrity and the smarts of that chairman? I I think it's also one of those where it's not going to be Congressman Schiff. Who's on trial and everything will move so quickly where I either way to this? Call him an idiot for snow. Eddie knowing that the here's the thing I don't know into a Stanford but that'll be back. We've got to be back when you're listening to heartland newsfeed radio network live twenty four seven at heartland newsfeed dot com. This stream is supported by advertisers and contributions by follow us on facebook twitter and instagram. 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Bonnie listening to us in Crown Point Indiana. Go ahead bunny well. Hello there guys are there. Okay okay. So the reason that I think that it's a great idea to require a full vote in the house is two fold. The first reason is if they take a full vote then minority that we the Republicans they get the right to subpoena witnesses is get evidence that Cetera and then they can find out more information about this quote unquote with the blower in who had hoped him who prepare his statement as CETERA. That's the first thing and the and and what's really great is if if a full vote is taken all democrats that are in red district have to go on record for voting trump's impeachment and that will be political the died so that's my comment. Well that's why Nancy Pelosi doesn't like the idea again. We're assuming that it's going to be political. Typical suicide I doubt that it would be political suicide for all all of them but The other point I the Democrats reference earlier and that is it gives greater representation tation and greater fairness during the impeachment process. And I think the one thing that the genie mentioned a little bit earlier on is to have the ability to have as part of your staff staff A not a balanced staff but at least an input from Roy party it makes sense and again we go back to the The impeachment of Richard Nixon and Peter. Regina was the man in charge and for Bill Clinton was Henry. Hyde who basically was in charge and the Democrats had an opportunity In each of those cases To to weigh in on on on on the process of that investigation that inquiry. So I think that's exactly what should be done the big question now which we talked about just before the break is whether or not whether we're not whether or not we have in Adam Schiff whether we have a man who has the capability of conducting himself in a very nonpartisan way. I mean he said told the American people last week that he had not in contact with the first whistle blower and then it turned out to be the case that he did several weeks before it became public. He we had that story so again. He's told US ally there. He was the guy that reminded us that he had evidence that was going to prove the conspiracy with the Russians. He told that story on national television for well over eight or nine months that proved to be true and then when he gets the starring role to open a hearing you know oh he gives a parody of a conversation. He doesn't talk about the conversation itself so to me. The Adam Schiff has three strikes and he's out He is very partisan and I don't think that's what we want right now. Even though I guess there's some people would say the Democrats have the votes. Maybe it's just Democrats that vote for impeachment would. Would that be a good idea to do. Would you be opposed to that. Well what what I wanted to save. You're talking about Adam. Schiff give an ex CATHEDRA pronouncement here. what's unfortunate about this. Is We elected a reality. Television Stars President and now he's pulled us all into the apprentice board room and it seems as if if every day were living in under the tyranny of the small and the petty in the narcissistic and while we're in this is no disrespect to you. I I understand why we have to have this conversation tonight but while we're facilitating these conversations about impeachment and Adam Schiff lying in donald trump lying and our political system becomes paralyzed by this dysfunction and meanwhile we have millions of Americans without adequate healthcare. Some of them dying for for lack of insulin. We have millions of Americans going to dysfunctional disgraceful schools and graduating functionally illiterate. We have millions of Americans who have less than five hundred dollars in their savings. The you know the mishap misfortunate away from financial ruin we. We have Environmental problems we have. David it's the fault of our in the entire dysfunction of our political system. But but what I think you're right. Yes but that's nothing you can fix quickly No of course. Donald trump is a is a symptom. He is not yes and and what I think is fascinating about the things that David just listed off. I mean like this is actually a pretty nice panel here. And if the four of us we have two Democrats to Republicans you could vote as the Tiebreaker Breaker Bruce. If all of us were given the ability to run the country for four years the five of us would probably be able to solve the problems doing conservative things some liberal things. We probably do a pretty good job. But I don't think I can get that passed quickly. So what what's what's the elected. What's interesting about all this is that I think Donald trump is like the one person like and he set things up in a certain way and it's not necessarily all his fault but if if Pelosi and Schumer and the two Republican leaders wanted to sit down and bang out some stuff after really be fixed I actually think trump for all of his braggadocio and all of his character flaws would be much more likely to actually solve a problem? Then the tepid kind of like Romney Ism and Bush's them that I actually think there'd be a solution here but I think that the minute Pelosi and Schumer even try talk trump without some solution for insulin prices. Let's say which incidentally trump is probably much more likely to take a harder line on pharmaceuticals any other. GOP person out there right. He'd be crew. Those two leaders would be crucified by the hardcore left. Who will not let anyone in their party? Talk to anybody any anything about Donald trump about anything because they just don't want anything to pass. That is actually that one hundred percent the truth this is full obstruction. Once they took over the congress in two thousand eighteen. Now listen this is a and this has been trump who's been a tax it's November ninth twenty sixteen relentlessly attacked remember the just the tears flowing. Hillary couldn't even give you know no concession speech. She you know the fireworks go off New York City for her or anything like that. They could not believe it and ever since then they have been on the bandwagon to get rid of the president and he sat through that with his Republican Congress. And what did he do. He did. Regular Regulatory Reform which is still continuing. He did tax cuts. He he did the US MCA which still Democrats refused to put up for a vote in actually pass the we have it in place. He's done so much good on the economic front the lowest unemployment rate in fifty years. Right and you've had all this occur and then what happened. They got control in two thousand eighteen and they will not let anything happen and and to trump's credit honestly he looked at Pelosi and said you know after the Kalou the Mo Mowlam report comes out no collusion no obstruction despite whether you believe it or not what. The official mole report. That is what occurred no collusion. No what am I sorry. Sorry no obstruction no collision obstruction. But here's the point after that they still would not let it go. They would not let it go. They still wanted to impeach him in inquire more Nadler were still after him. And that's what trump. I'm sad you think I'm going to work on infrastructure for with you when you're still investigating me you had your twenty two months of report thirty five million dollars five hundred people. People subpoenaed thousands of pages of documents. You had everything you do not do it. So why would he. Why would he work with these people when all they you WanNa do is investigate him? He does want to get things done in fact he'd probably get one. You're on drugs control. What does he probably? Lord probably get things on price controls for Dr. Maybe isn't even a capless interesting. If life is not to make peace not going to have A. They're not working with him. 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I'm here to get something done. I could make take a lot more money in the private sector. If you do that that would be a legacy particularly for someone who does develop real estate but there is not going to be anything tangible at the end of his time in office he will continue to debate on the media rather than put forth legislation that would be politically damaging for some. I'm one of the opposite party to vote against. How can you negotiate fairly with Pelosi? Ao See Sean casten you name it shift Dabbler. How can you negotiate with those two Taliban they are they are at him? They are at him and all he says once you do the first or step. Why don't you take up the? MCA Why don't you pass that trade agreement but whether pay candidate representative Cortez or representative cast in their primary. The job is to get reelected. And if they then would say look yes he put forth this pumped in the president's he won't do it the pro against his own best interests residents position which I asked you at the beginning of the broadcast. David and that is I. Think if you ask the average American who's not you know a member of either particular party but they're out there. They're watching this story if if they hear that. The president if members of Congress have to vote could you yes. Proceed with the investigation or closed it investigation down. I think most voters think that's a fair question to ask of their member of Congress. Congress I don't. I don't think they see that as an attempt to embarrass anybody or not embarrass anybody. Does everybody agree with that or or order or do you believe that they are thinking like Nancy Pelosi and they see it as a trick just to put some Democrats behind the April frame to that way of course disagree with you and I don't know and I'm not saying what Pelosi is doing or what. She's not doing. Who knows what she's going to do this next week or the next few days? We'll have to see what happens more well well in so let's just see what happens. I just I just trump could lose under very many scenarios trump would win under very many scenarios. It's going to be another one of those elections. Actions probably more similar to twenty sixteen than anything else. We'll have to see what happens but I just don't see this taking him down Joe in Lbj in Austin Texas listening to US tonight. Go ahead Joe. You'll get a question or a comment. Well I have a comment. I was listening to your show shortly for seven when you mention attention you go to you and Chuck on cruises on the air. Yes okay I did that and it starts in about the middle of the argument. Yes it goes one minute. It forty two seconds and then a gentleman by the name of Brian. Talking Tena found this is just another steel feed clay and it is proposed biased thing. I've ever gene on on us with chopped up and there was there was nothing else of the interview. It's just take this gentleman brandon rate. So maybe they cut it so it can. Yeah it it's conceivable Zabel's they cut it up. But I I don't I don't have access to it right now but usually you can go and you can watch. NBC's do you can watch meet the press. Maybe they maybe they chose to cut it today because it was so balancing and then the interview with John Brennan came along. That was that was way over the top. Listen let me let me ask it is. You won't believe how that was my point. It's a very biased conversation. But thank you very much for your call. I WANNA ask Everybody this question. The president said this week. The Biden's are stone. Cold Corrupt are Republicans. Do you I believe that Brunell. Well I believe every single one of them has been corrupted the last fifty years so that's not a hard question but I realized that that's Kinda cop out catch all you know what I think is so been so fascinating about these last few years and it's not it was going on before trump but it's gotten so much worse is that we all live in our own each there's there's a red universe personably universe and the facts from the other universities. Don't matter to us so of course you talked to a Democrat and everything Hunter Biden. Joe Biden doesn't matter no matter what. Because there's it's nothingburger there's nothing there. But this whistle blower this whistle blower is going to take him down. He's going down. I'm telling you it's all nonsense. I think a lot of stuff that trump is probably probably not. I don't know what the this book coming up is about but I think a lot of stuff that trump has done is probably bad or wrong and of course I think that Joe Biden who seems to be one of those old-time political hack similar to like Michael Madigan or euro old school kind of guys. I'm sure he got his son. A fifty thousand dollar a month sinecure where the guys doing absolutely no work work for nothing. Of course he did and of course he probably went to China and got him another sinecure. which is the other thing coming up? But that doesn't matter the Blue Universe. Only the whistle let's let's roost. WHO Says I'm in the Blue Universe in your? The little portion of the Blue Universe would be appalled by that the Biden story is a is a perfect illustration of the repulsive and destructive corruption. That has come to characterize the American in political and economic experience and there are You know I have students. I also teach at Indiana University northwest. I have students going into debt to pay for a bachelor's degree in the hope that they can find suitable employment subsequently graduation I of students who they don't know how they're going to get adequate healthcare I once had a student who was my point to this my my point to this before I give before I in Monday with examples of the precarity in which so many working class and middle class Americans live is that when in people turn on the television or read the newspaper and read about Joe Biden setting up his loser. Pathetic son John with this blueprint it outrages them because they realized that they have to work hard they have to chuck and Jive just to just to get by. and Y- There's this corporate political nexus of connection and favor and wealth. Let's look that's a liberal perspective by the way. I think that many people would agree with that really really was shaking her head. You know I'm not in my head. I agree with him. Biden should just got a job like anybody else you you make you. Make a good point in terms of verse which could easily be Read Echo Chamber Blue Echo Chamber and I think if you were to almost strip these down to anonymous figures and you say candidate a has a son who's doing business with Ukraine. Is that appropriate. They will then candidate. B. Has two sons who run a multinational organization Ortiz. Peter knowing deal with the fact don't know what the vice president of the United States former vice president. While I'm Tony Wise at the time you let me finish you have the vice president of the United States. Barack Obama is is leader. Okay he he is given the responsibility of going to the Ukraine and giving the job giving the responsible going to China to represent the United States. He's the point person there and in one of these countries in Ukraine. There's a company that is being investigated as a corrupt company. And your son. While you're the vice president United States he sits there bored and they pay him fifty thousand dollars a month on this hill. You so you can buy the liberal here last week. He saw nothing wrong with that. No no no. I'm wrong with optics. Are Terrible optics are terrible now. If there was criminal activity wait a minute but in terms of the optics I agree. The optics are terrible when you have some last week. Who couldn't even say the optics? Were the terrible bruce. This is absolutely corrupt. First of all Hunter Biden. Admin discharge is charged from the US. Army or I'm sorry. Navy the Navy okay for cocaine. He pisses hot for cocaine. I mean he should've had an other than honorable. Will discharge Adam Minimum. What does that mean? He shouldn't be flying around with any vice president. I don't care if it's as if it's his father. He shouldn't get near them. You have that kind of charge against issue. You're not getting near the president. I guarantee you guess why because when you want to go in even just do a meet and greet even. It's a political thing. They're checking you out there finding out who you are. And he's flying off and then he comes back with a hotshot job and sits on a board and then he comes comes back from China with one point five billion dollar investment and. He knows nothing about what he's doing. It's completely would erupt. It's ridiculously corrupt. And the fact that they won't go after him now I think this is. This is a tragedy. I won't one I would not I would. I would not want Donald trump to come over to my house for dinner nor any of his derelict. Kids nor nor would I want Hunter Biden over at my house for dinner and yet and yet we have to debate whether whether or not these people are going to go into the White House some of them are already there now. Not Hundreds Country Biden was not elected he was part part of the first family. He was killed by one. You're right you're right and then all the stories that we've heard for the last three years about the trump children we will hear it again about hundred by because we already know he's got a past. We'd like to know a little bit more about it but it doesn't look like a very. It doesn't look like a squeaky clean record and again the Democrats they always like to be squeaky clean when we come back a book about Donald Approach that you may or may not like hunting you. What is hope? Hope to me was just that he would get to come home. I had no idea how hard it would be once he got back. I wish you'd stop drinking so much. She thinks it's helping but it's not. I hope she sees that soon. I'd like I don't care if he comes to my games but I hope he does. I used to hope he find happiness. Get now I hope our marriage mix GRANDPA will get help. He thinks it's too late and it's not what with everything that he's going through. I hope he sees a counselor. I just want my brother back. I hoped he'd get help. Stop hoping things would get better on on their own. He told me to stop asking. I didn't then one day he asked for help is knowing their other families. Just like yours. That the veterans they love got helping recovered go to make the connection dot net. Yeah uh-huh Bruce Dumont back in Chicago. Thank you very much for joining us. In this segment of the program. We're going to be joined by authors. Seth Abramson and Seth has written a book called proof of conspiracy. How trump's international collusion is threatening American democracy? And Seth joins us from the University of Wisconsin. Seth Nice I steady with US tonight. Is he not there. He's not there. Well I guess you're not going to be there. Never mind okay. Well this is the spokesman. I WanNa go back to something that we were talking about a little bit earlier on the program and that is the difference offensive opinion. We have from the right side of the table from at least one portion of the left side of the table and and that is the degree to which the president presents the United States should trust the CIA and the FBI. And I think most people would agree that in in a in a perfect world world it would be nice if the president of the United States could trust the honesty and the integrity of that of those branches of government. Does everybody agree with that. Okay now in your view or I can think in the president's view the president during the campaign made statements that he did not believe in the wisdom the Almighty wisdom of of the CIA. He referenced the bad information they gave to George Bush rush would let which led to to the war in Iraq so He was on record of saying that he was on record as saying that he wanted to. He wanted a new deal with the with the Russians. He didn't think we should automatically be at each other's throats so the American people knew of these things so when he becomes so the president elect of the United States. How how should he have gone about trying to separate out from from the FBI and the CIA information coming in from them through James Comey and the head of the CIA at the time? How does how does does she separate out information received from them when you have already challenged the integrity of them during the campaign? I want to start with you. Well we also have the defense intelligence agency you can rely on. We have the national security agency that he can rely on. So you have other ways as you can triangulate the information that you're receiving about whether or not the information that they've provided for you the CIA or the FBI is accurate or not. But I mean he wasn't isn't right but the but they had been challenged as well run by trump because the other agencies that you referenced the group that had had warned of Russian involvement look it did not take very long where you had the first time where he where private conversations that he had and I thought it was Australia that were leaked leaked right. Remember that so he's he is already very early in his administration. Not Able to trust some of those folks so you you know the minute that that happens. You have to be very very suspicious about everything that comes before you so I think that From the GECKO. He knew that there were people in administration administration however if trump was a more studious man to put it politely reports Reading Daily Briefing. He he was elected with us. No and so I would think it's the same way if you criticize the FDA I would still have comfort going to the grocery store and I'm buying produce even if I have openly criticized because I would believe that there is a professional commitment to those who have chosen that field that is more important important than my criticism. Even if I am on that that is you're talking leadership if he was a more astute intellectually disappointed leader at the CIA and the again and what he could separate the fact and fiction. But what we're mackin nations from you on Intelligence Tori. You can't gather them yourself folks what we're talking about now is we're talking about what many Americans believe at least those that supported Donald Trump. They believe there has been a an ongoing going conspiracy against Donald Trump. Our guest right. Now Seth Abramson are you there. Yes I am Okay Sath. It's Nice W with this Because you have written a book called proof of conspiracy which again probably would have got one hundred percent of the people say. Oh that's a good idea. Because I I believe in conspiracy Your subtitle hours. How trump's international collusion is threatening American democracy? which sort of gives away at least the You know at least where you're going in this book. Let me ask when you began the book. Did you have this eh conclusion already or did the conclusion and the subtitle come as you learned information. Actually what happened is I wrote a book in twenty eighteen called proof of pollution and during the course of writing that walk I discovered that there was this of trump's international vision Asian that I was really suffering enough that involve elites and I started investigating that spends about a year. You're aiding hundreds unfit made reference And back that. She approached the question as Nicole. Make someone investigative so it wasn't a research the bulk Walker as I wrote a book. My responsibilities liberals but to think about That have been investigated for but also zone investigative Suggested was act of six nation. Feel thousand sixty five and that of two I'm from the but with Israel on your United Arab okay so your book goes well L. Beyond US involvement with Russia. Your book deals with the the beginning of your story basically goes back to Saudi Arabia. The at the core explained that the nations that you believe are involved in this conspiracy. And how did they bring Donald Trump the candidate it into that conspiracy when I can be very clear. This isn't a question of what I believe. I don't think what I believe is. Material is the question of what investigative journalists around the world to discover what Furman have uncovered and uncovered. This is reported in the media outlets in the United States is that in the fall of twenty fifth in the meeting on the Red Dot. That was being George. Nader trump advisor now a federal witness and and that meeting the red state in the defaults with fifty six being included the leaders of of Eurabia. You're not disturb emerson. Bahrain and Egypt who looking for an American into partner in her bit to advance a very particular they add ultimate and Israel and what was developed at. That is by Michael Bell. nope as the grand bargain. Sometimes abilities are involved the On Russia eight seth. I'm GonNa Seth I'm going to. I'm going to stop you here We have a very bad audio connection. on this skype type in review. I don't want I don't want to miss the the relevance of your comments on what I'm going to suggest and my engineer is listening directors listening to this redoing. It live on the fly. Now I'm going to end the skype conversation now because of the bad quality. We're going to call you back on the good old fashioned telephone in in a couple of minutes. We'll continue the conversation on the phone because I don't want your comments to be lost. Okay thank you and the skype and Andrew let's get get back on the phone and let's get them as soon as you get them on the phone. Let me know and we'll go back to an old fashion interview like that So he's promised goes back to you something about the Middle East Saudi Arabia. It begins with a conspiracy involving the Saudis and the Emirates and and Israel and basically deals with an attempt attempt to really define Iran. This is a conspiracy begins to to really going after Iran. And they need a they need someone one who is going to take on the. Who's going to be able to convince the Russians to To you know back away from their support of Iran then what's the conspiracy is when they engage Donald Trump He gets involved in this because of past deals that he has had with this with with this group of people that's the essence of the summary. Let's go back seth you back with us on the phone okay. This is much better The question is Let's bring Donald Trump. HOW DOES DONALD TRUMP FIT into this group of of of those from the Middle East Who had who had gathered together to basically try to defend Iran short so in the summer of two Thousand Fifteen Donald Donald Trump did not have a foreign policy? That was the point at which Michael Flynn entered into his orbit in August of two thousand fifteen the two mets and shortly thereafter Donald Trump had outta comprehensive foreign policy in the Middle East that was based upon what Michael Flynn had been working on in the spring of two thousand fifteen in the summer of two thousand fifteen. which was this grand bargain Argon involving Russia Israel Saudi Arabia Bahrain and Egypt specifically as I mentioned before the ripping up the Iran nuclear deal the ripping up Russia sanctions but but also importantly a joint? US rush nuclear deal that would lead to the building of nuclear reactors all across the Middle East and that became Donald Trump's foreign policy in it summit coming up in the beginning in the fall of Twenty fifteen and what was Donald Trump's supposed to do as part of his piece of the bargain. Well he was supposed to do versus what he did. He was supposed to rip up the Iran nuclear deal okay. Even if Iran was in compliance. which is what he did? He was supposed to seek to rip up Russia's sanctions in which we learned from the New York. Times wasn't back his plan when he entered office and he was only stopped from doing so by career officials at the State Department. That put a stop to it. But but since that time he has not in fact leveled against Russia all the sanctions that he could have he has actually dragged his feet at every possible chance. So there's no question that there were parts of This deal in terms with Donald trump was supposed to deliver that he was not able to deliver on but all of the evidence from major media reporting indicates that he did deliver on what he could he tried to deliver deliver on what he could not and then he received benefits including as we know from the mother. Report negotiating a multi billion dollar real estate deal with the Kremlin in the fall of two thousand fifteen as telling American voters that he had no ties now also when we come back. I WanNa talk a little bit. More about Jared Kushner he has an integral role to play in the charges that you're making and again We thank you for joining US tonight. The name of the book is proof of conspiracy. Seth Abramson joins us from the University of Wisconsin. What is hope? Hope to me was just that he would get to come home. I I had no idea how hard it would be once he got back. I wish you'd stop drinking so much. She thinks it's helping but it's not a hope. She sees that soon. I don't care if he comes to my games but I hope he does. I hope he'd find happiness. Get now I hope our MAG mix GRANDPA. We'll get help. He thinks it's too late. It's not with everything that he's going through. I hope he sees a counselor. I just want my brother back. I hoped he'd get help. Stop hoping things would get better on their own. He told me to stop up asking. I didn't then one day. He asked for a ride. Hope is knowing their other families just like yours. That the veterans they love got help and recovered Robert go to make the connection dot net and turn hope and task. Yeah back in Chicago. And and we're joined by Seth Abramson and Seth One thing and the book if you want to elaborate is that In the in the Miller report which looked into the relations between The trump donald trump and Russia. It really didn't get into any other countries. Is that correct. So that what you're talking about. What's not investigated by Muller at all That's partly true on page ten of volume one of the mother report. Robert Muller indicates that all information that touched on counterintelligence counter-intelligence was actually reserved and held back from the Miller report and instead referred to the FBI counterintelligence division. So I suspect based upon New York Times and Washington Post Wall Street Journal reporting that much of what we are discussing. Now in fact was investigated by Robert Mueller but then it was referred to the FBI counterintelligence division and not included in the report report per page ten of volume one. So we may hear more about that at some point in the future absolutely we found about a month ago we learned that Adam Schiff had for the first time in two years actually gotten a briefing from the FBI counterintelligence division. Adam Schiff. I should say in the rest of the house. Permanent Select Committee on Intelligence Aginst. I'm not sure why it took two years for the FBI counterintelligence division to bring the house up to speed on what had been referred to by Robert Muller but we do know that that reaping happened. We understand understand that there's been I believe at least one additional briefing thin thin so eventually some sort of report should be issued either by the FBI or by the HP Sei and you also so In the book you reference that The famous infamous steele dossier That according to your investigation there's certain aspects of the report of the dossier that we're accurate. What was accurate in the steele dossier? I think the important thing to note I is that nothing. Nothing in the dossier had been conclusively. Disproven there have been many articles in major media about the elements of the trump Russia investigation. That ended up conforming wing with the The dossier for instance the role. That Michael Cohen played in outreach between trump and Russia the role that Paul Manafort played the way that certain payments payments were made to Russian agent the fact that there were meetings in neutral cities in European countries between trump agents. And agents of the Kremlin. I mean the list really really goes on and on. There are certainly some elements of the steele dossier that are still being investigated that we still don't know if they're correct or not but the important thing to remember for for those who attacked the steele dossier is that went Christopher Steele gave over the dossier he indicated that he believed because it was raw intelligence that still had to be process that about seventy five perhaps seventy percents of it was accurate thirty percent of it as with all raw intelligence when looked at more might be determined to be inaccurate. But that's how intelligence works and I do think we've found that about seventy percent. Possibly more of this field has proven to be accurate and the funding of the dossier a Do you deny that it came from Democratic sources. What I believe was testified to before Congress by Glenn Simpson of Fusion? GPS ES is that he hired Christopher Steele who worked for orbits as an independent contractor and at the time that Christopher Steele did his work he had no idea who his client it was or who he was doing research worth using GPS prior to working with Christopher Steele As someone who was distantly being paid by a Democratic Law firm PAT as you know bruce been working with Republican so in fact much of what Christopher Steele came across that ended up in his dossier he actually determined while he was perhaps unbeknownst to him being paid by Republican sources by democratic during that period when he was allegedly being paid by Republican sources. Do we know specifically how that derogatory information about Donald Trump was going to be used again. That was a seventeen person. Jason Primary going on was there someone in that primary that was behind. This investigation will be payments were being made by the Washington in free beacon a right wing publication It's believed that there were individuals who may have been behind the funding of that effort who supported other candidate. Major media reporting suggest asked at least one of the candidates they were supporting Jeb Bush. We have a report in the right-wing daily caller that says that in the early fall of Twenty fifteen not twenty sixteen eighteen twenty fifteen there was in fact discussion in Republican circles about potential compromise involving donald trump at the Ritz Moscow hotel in November of twenty thirteen and again this information reported by the daily caller that Christopher Steele derived from his M I six related sources in Russia in in Twenty fifteen while he was being paid by Republicans. So what is this is this. Is this within back funded by Republican. Okay so this is the sexual salacious stuff in the hotel room with prostitutes that story the allegation. Okay a question but we have been discussing here on the program before you join us. How the American people? How are they supposed to believe the CIA the FBI? When many Americans in this country who may be supporting of Donald Trump or You know old old progressives from the sixties. They don't trust the intelligence community as a journalist as a reporter as a as an academic. How do you answer the question right now? And and how do you deal with the fact that if you pick up something from the intelligence community thirty how how will you know. It's true or not true. The public defender for many years. So I did battle with the government over American in constitutional rights every single day for years and years. So I'm at certain SPEC as anyone is about law enforcement what I would note is that the Republican Party has roughly sleep fifty year history of being supportive. Broadly speaking in its rhetoric of law and order. I think it's very interesting that suddenly when law enforcement is reporting out information that Republicans are you're unhappy with their appears to be a wholesale assault on the CIA and the FBI. You mentioned progressives from the sixties who have long been critical of law enforcement. I I think they also should continue to be consistent and should have that skepticism now. The way that skepticism is the draft. Is that what you have with. An investigation of this size is that you have many redundancies. Built in you. Have people checking other people's work you have many investigators said on him alone. You had forty seth. We're out of time I've I've got to say. Thank you very much other than just to summarize that when we talk about law enforcement I think a lot of people understand what law enforcement is when you throw it all. All in with the intelligence community is sort of mucks it up. They know the cop on the street they know the uniformed officer they know the FBI but again when you're talking about intelligence Hi It's a little more than just a law enforcement. It's sort of the intelligence community doesn't thanks very much. The title of the book is proof of conspiracy. How trump's international collusion is threatening American? Eric in Democracy Seth for. Thank you for joining us and also thanks to our guests around the table evening. I'm Bruce Dumont thanks to Andrew Marshall and also the Fritz Goldman for their assistance in the production in this program until next week. Good night from Shit Gago You're listening to Hartland. Newsfeed Radio Network Live twenty four seven at heartland newsfeed mosquito dot com. This stream is supported by advertisers and contributions by follow us on facebook twitter. mytalk and Instagram's hang on Dr Rubin before we get to business today just a quick reminder to click that subscribe button and the Little Bell there so that you actually might get notified about our videos. As long as we're we're doing them you may as well see him all right joining me. Today is the host of the aptly titled David Web Show on Sirius. XM and reality check on Fox nation. I Dunno buddy of mine nine. David Webb finally man. Welcome to the room to dis together. Again to David's we'll see what happens here so it is actually I just said before we started right. I mean I've been doing this. Show now some version of this five plus years. I don't know how you have not stepped in the studio. I mentioned you often and we're good buddies and we go back a while but are pads. I think both our audiences are wondering who the other one you know. Like is you touchdown. And I'm taking off touchdown in when you're taking off and for everybody watching literally you and I said where are you I landing. You know I'm at the airport. Go in here and this has happened so many times. It's not even funny. Yeah all right. We've done kind of funny. Yeah so we have an interesting history together because when we got to know each other was about seven eight years ago we were both on Sirius. Xm You were on the Patriot channel as as you still are. I was on the out Q channel. I wanted to be on a political. It'd be in your box. Yes because equal my friend equal channel but said but they also in the quarter is a little weird but I really wanted to be on one of the political channels and I met with all the mayor and I said I'll do the at the time I was left so I wanted to do the lefty but I said there was a police. SORTA the nonpartisan. I said I'll even do the right channel. And let me be the left and the right channel. They kept me on the gay channel. So be it but you were the first guy there we must have. I don't even remember how we met. Probably just in the hallway and we started talking politics and you knew we had some differences it was very obvious similarity similarities more more now But basically I started doing your show every couple of weeks and we would talk about all our differences. This is we never punched each other often. We'd go out for Bourbon or a steak after. Am I been a bourbon or today and you have a very high level But that almost feels like a another time already. When people used to do that here we are today in an environment where it's become more polarized but I've also seen more people move to the center and I think that people can focus on the polarization they can say okay? You're either this or you're that but look around the country and talk to the people you work with talk to the people you interact with your workout with. What are and you find that more people starting to drift left into the center and maybe deliberately pull others with them saying hang on a second? Let's pick an idea or values over a party and I like that look. I'm a Republican again. And I tweeted this out. I was a Republican. Because my parents taught me and I paraphrase it myself which is probably quoting loosely those Li quoted myself which is no longer plagiarism. But I basically said they said think about your values what fits and make your choice. They didn't say hey. This is your choice because what do we get from our parents. Typically you get a sports team maybe a religion. You know a couple of key things because that's what you grow up with and I. I wish more people that had that I made my choice and they respected my choice. Because I could explain why and I think we're getting back to that for many people. They're just sick of the you know you've got to be in your outdo box at that time and I gotta be in my Patriot box. They'll I don't know if you knew this. When we launched a studio fifty four channel and and Dave Guru who is talking about it? We're joking us today seriously. And we both know Greg Guy and guy called my boss and he he says you can't do studio fifty four and it wasn't a bad thing because everybody knows on the Patriot channel and said what do you think we all were conservative without a party side. Right right right. You know. It's just we don't fit and you didn't fit. Yeah you know we we knew it and not fitting actually the cool thing and I think you're right. It is the the new thing and and people are sort of exhausted by those crazy things so I have to ask you one thing. I hate to ask but we'll do it for a second here. According to this thing here your black back is that right. Well depends on who you talk. Is that a teaser hurt. Because you're a conservative and bright still no matter how many black conservatives the need and there are so many of them obviously the color of your skin should have nothing to do with your political beliefs. Somehow if you're a black conservative they they think could be urine anomaly. You've got Stockholm Syndrome. I've heard it all. You know first perspective if you go to a country that's a majority black country or Caribbean island some of the islands more conservative majorities or conservative values and thoughts. Aren't there mostly black. People there the sell out there too right. So that's my point is so you go to a country which is seventy percent seventy two percent self identified white. If you WANNA look at American and you've got breakup of different ethnicities and makes whatever so. Suddenly being black is early an anomaly. It's not because the problem with identity politics takes is it's based on this boxer supposed to be in and you and I are talking about. What do you believe in? And that's the difference and that's why I like listening to you. That's y you and I get along because we found our similarities or differences and we respect the fact that people come at things from different lanes and a lot of times they wanna get to a similar similar end similar solution the ones that don't want to get to the end of the highway. Don't WanNa get to the end of this series of lanes. They're the ones that are dishonest. Yeah and those are usually the ones that want to control you somehow. Big is I mean. Come on your Dave. You're supposed to think this way and you look a certain way and you know. Wow why are you this way but you know what more people over the years you've been when I did the night show and whether it was talking politics takes values or talking about drinking bourbon on the air or avenue. Piece of pizza people came along for what was there in the show and then I would hear from them you while I finally saw you on. TV You're black and then their next common doesn't matter to me so there's an incredible. I think one of the most incredible moments in media media in the last year happened on your show. This is what about six seven months ago. Something like that. It's about seven. Yeah Yeah you had Areva Martin on a rebirth even more into CNN contributor. I'm friendly with her. She was on my show. A couple years ago on on the Rubin report and she's a she's a progressive. She went on your show and eh well. Why don't we just played? I've chosen across different parts of the media. World done the work so that I'm qualified to be in each one. I never considered the color the issue I considered my qualifications the issue. What did you know that that's a whole nother long conversation about white privilege the things that you have the privilege of doing that people of color don't have the privilege of how do I village of White Privilege David and by virtue of being a white male you have white privilege this whole long conversation? I don't have time to get. I hate to break to buy. But you should have been better prepped. I'm black okay. Then I say you went to white privilege. This is the fall soda in this. You went immediately with an assumption. You're people people obviously are. You didn't look you're talking to a black man darted out and rock radio in Boston. Who crossed the pats into hip hop rebuilding one of the greatest black stations in America and went on to work for Fox? News were told. Apparently blacks aren't supposed to work. But yet yet you come with this assumption and you go to white privilege to Holton. It is and I apologize because my people gave me wrong information. They you told me your whole white privilege thing is can I apologize and correct the record. I want to apologize. I look given wrong information about you and I apologize on my car. You were going to something that I was part of and just to add to it. My family background is white. Black Indian ARAWAK IRISH Scottish. I mean it's so diverse. I'm like the U. N.. When it comes to this this is part of the problem with driving a narrative around a construct like white privilege privileges one thing we're applied wealth economy Various social factors but not necessarily determined by color of skin to me. That is everything. I have spent the last two years of my life talking about in a perfect wrapped. Package was a gift on a slow Tuesday. It really was so. Let me give the quick version of the back story this glut they pitched my producers to come on my show. And when you get rich you look up your guest okay. What are they written? What stories whatever they they appear Google or whatever search engine you get some information in somewhere along the way you'd find out that that's the David Webb happens to be a black guy? That's not what happened here. They pitched me she came on. We had a I. I will say this. We had a good conversation about William Bars. Nomination and everything and the differences earns is opinions on jury jurisprudence and other things and then it went to this idea where we talked about success and all of these issues that led to our commentary and I said to her I said look I started. My caller was in the factor. You just heard that started out in radio went through all these things and I realize after after when I went back I listen to everything I said to her. According to the way her mindset works told her that I had to be white but it also said something else. If you're black you can achieve these things. Based on the way she thinks which is insulting. It's sad soft bigotry of low expectations hyphen based on the color of your skin. And then everybody's already. She threw a team under the bus. On average. A burglary happens once it's every twenty three seconds in the US. Think about that once in every twenty three seconds. That's a lot of crime. And what's crazy is that only one in five homes have home security. Even when eighty eighty three percent of burglars admitted that they specifically look to see if there's an alarm system so why don't you have one I do simplisafe feel safer with Simply safe simply safe protects every door window and room with twenty four seven professional monitoring they make it easy. There's no contract hidden fees or fine print around the clock doc. Monitoring is just fifteen dollars a month but one thing that truly makes simply safe standout is there video verification technology. 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And that's the difference between me you and her so so I I don't WanNA in any way she's not here to defend yourself so I don't want to make this too much about her but but that mindset. Do you think that after you said well you know I'm black and the rest Senate dinged her way of thinking a little bit. I got through to people online because that clip went viral clearly couldn't Z.. Each other it was such a perfect example of what we're always talking. Well did it change your mind. I don't know view and I think agree on the fairness of being there to defend spend yourself but what I did offer. Her was a conversation and in the second clip. That doesn't get as much attention and I've played it on radio. We played on television division. I asked her to come back and give. I said I'll offer you an hour. Come back we'll talk about white privilege and she accepted so my team sent an email. Email is a follow up requests inner appearance and when I was asked on television. Do you accept her apology. Because she gave that half hearted apology. Is it really was a deflection which is different than an apology. Obviously when when she did that I gave her the chance for a conversation when I was asked. Do you accept her apology. said I really don't but what I'm offering her is a conversation and I offered her the chance to come back and she never came back back so the story is not just a clip of what she said and why she said it but the fact is that she avoided the conversation that was offered based on what that she asked for and what she agreed to and that to me is a level of have to say dishonesty. If someone does that to me you know what I'm GonNa be man enough or maybe a hosted or guest enough whatever term. You want us to go in and say I'M GONNA come in present my point in defendant if I I believe in it. Yeah well it it shows what I would say is just the thinness of the argument because she could make an argument with her preconceived notions once. They're blown Bonaparte and say all right. Let's let's talk it out for an hour disappears and we and we often see you get the accusation that yoursel out or this one's a racist and then the second you push push-back boom platform you or whatever else by the way funny thing about this story. She's a C. N. N. legal analyst. I Gosh I still laugh at this I. I'm doing my show my producer. I think it was Edwin jumped to me and the TV. Her first return that we know of to the CNN was the comment on Jesse small at. There's Karma I it just works very very mysterious ways but I want people to take something from it. Not just the audio clip which they've heard and and stories that went all the story here is offer someone a conversation challenge them to come in but use it to tell others that this is why you should assume believe or at least be willing to engage and that was really what I took out of it and I deliberately kept the story going from my perspective for others not for her because because it was no longer about her so as a guy. That's that's worked through the radio Industry which is tough Rican industry that a lot of people wanna get into take a break. Stay says don't do it but if you do it in survive it's pretty great. You get to do what you love her for a living. I mean the the precept the premise that she had there that you would be fighting racism the entire time going up through your career you when you see it the entire time I when you walk into Sirius. Xm Are they throwing stuff at you. Everybody has different experiences and my belief system is part of our experiences are how we interact with the World Cup bullet points. When I started who radio it started in rock radio because I love the music I I grew up knowing a lot of the artists so it was a natural fit? People didn't see me because I could talk about something they cared about so I could sit out with a AH long hair earing tattooed guy poison concert and one thousand nine hundred eighty seven with Lita Ford and Whitesnake and Joe Cocker Stevie. Ray Vaughan and we can talk about things and amazingly nobody kind of went to color because once you remove the veil by how you act people may have a moment with. They tend to come over to your side and when I went to entertainment dog and when I did a show Willie d from the ghetto. Boys all right conservative. David Webb Ghetto Boys Gangsta rap out of fifth ward and use in and we don't agree on politics but we agreed on something. which was we? We're trying to save people in the black community. And Willie I gotTa Tell You one a hell of a good guy on that and that's what we did. We focused on what we could do together. So I didn't see the are there racists in the world. Did somebody have a bias against me. You know I don't care because I'm not going to let it stop me if I can't go through you I'm GonNa go around you. And that's my approach to it and that's how my parents raised me. They said find the path. Work your way through it and just do what you can to the best of your ability to readjust. Hey that's life. Did you just say that slightly backwards or do we just have a different approach on life. I would try to go around him before through through slight marine. Lean in the point is go. You know maybe maybe the better way to put it is work your way through it. All right debate the issue for as taming me but also the other point is it's that one to one interaction or that idea the idea direction. I've had my mind changed on criminal. Justice reform. Perform for instance and it was by conversation with or through a conversation with Bernie Kerik for police commissioner. I'm that was hard on this. You know this this is ridiculous. I don't care why you chose to do that. First thing he did it but he walked me through it and you know what I was during the show during our hour long interview. It's burning Bernie. You convince me and going to rethink this and I'll change. That's a level of integrity that I ask everyone to go for now. So one of I know I told you the story many times and in in my book out could be a guy. That's been quite about that except for pre-sales Dell's right sales are available. Yeah thank you. That was You'll get your side but I write right about this in my book because I talk about my political awakening and one of the key moments of the whole thing when I was on the young Turks far left network longtime ago and I was still little left but I I had this inkling that something was not right that it couldn't be that everyone. They disagreed with his racist. It couldn't be that they were so right and everyone else was so wrong and then one they were were doing. There's four of us I think on the panel and I believe you were guest hosting for Sean Hannity that Sean and you know I'm on the panel that I think it was three white guys and they're all going sedating know that I knew you. And they're all going this David Webb Guy. He's he's a I self hating black guy. He's sell out some of the term here. I believe the Fox News Uncle Tom on that was the one that really this was all. Hi Dear I had sold out because black people didn't belong here right so so I hear them saying all these things about you little. Do they know I'm your friend and watching them. Say these these things that he you know. He doesn't believe any of this stuff and all that and we've worked through these issues any time that I know you are honest and decent. Believe the things that you talk about and suddenly it hit me because then I looked to this guy to my left and I think who's the big hit here who's really the big here is a black man who saying what he thinks. Thanks and you the privilege in your words White Guy. You're upset that a black man thinks something different than you want them to think. Who is the racist and it really was one of the one of the final straws for me before I fully went into this? Gino Motor. Whatever you WANNA call this thing now you know Support for the Rubin report comes from our friends at rocket mortgage by quicken loans. Home is so much more than a house. 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Because I've been in these situations before like or like the AREVA situation I've been in the situation like you talk about and it's because I've gone out and looked around and taking a chance by experimented with what's the idea. How do I counter? It can I- substantiate or defeat the argument and if I'm honest with myself and you're honest honest with yourself eventually you see the dishonesty around you or the unwillingness to even engage in it. And that's what they were trying to do with the young Turks because the video and viral and covered it on TV. It was Fox News. Uncle Tom Tea party founder. This was this he had to be this and said well you know nothing about me right line also about The home was that the tea party was racist. And here's one of the tea party founders. And here's a white guy but the black guys racist. I don't think I could actually do it anymore. We've known each other way too long. But I gotta blow maybe listeners minds. Yeah my tea party organization. In in New York City right. The launch of the original my executive director was a fifty year old Democrat. She still is my a two guys that letdown Democrat fiscally conservative strong believer in the constitution. That we have our differences all school Daniel Patrick Moynihan Style Democrat. Lisa's a sweetheart the two guys because they were in the industry in the creative industry industry that ran my marketing had been partners for about thirty years. One of my other guys guys wasn't evangelical would never spent that much time in a room with two gay guys in that and you know what they I became friends so you start to see this mix of people because we had a common core and believe that this country needed to have a assessment of where it was laws so I had a tea party group. That wasn't i. Guess they're right. Wing Evangelical White Hood Wearing you know team going out there in these. Were the the people who had common beliefs and in New York City. You know this we had so many such a range and I'm proud of that. Because these people still talk to tweets other isolated from them there was an fit student just so odd to hear this range of ages. What do you make of? I'm glad that you mentioned in Patrick. Appoint hand because when people ask me. What kind of liberal? I still believe that I am. It's getting harder to say it but what kind of liberal is slim I always say why say JFK. And Daniel Patrick Moynihan and I'll say Ed Koch sometimes to Greg and I knew it. Well he was one of the greatest guys out there that he was a true New Yorker Mayor of New York. For how many years. Here's like good good twelve years that and and he wanted to be out there with the people and he was buried there he literally did but he he wanted to be out there with the people where now politicians really seem so disconnected from the people and he had that that feeling well not only had it. But he's he still has it and I'll tell you why we have a mutual friend. Ed and I and Philip Philip would have receptions. It is business and I won't put his last name into it for the sake of. You've a big big player in the country who law and other things and he would have Ed Koch and he would bring you name it into this room. And we'd all meet with all talk and we'd all eat and we'd share ideas. I spend some time with Rudy. I've known Rudy Giuliani for years and rudy and I again just probably what a week ago or so over the last several weeks. We've been talking about mayors. We'll sit out for dinner. Usually ends with cigars and having a good time and he he recognizes Ed for who he is and recognizes Bloomberg is why because these men while they had their differences had a similarity New York City. They told me the story. I didn't know the story of how Ed got buried at Trinity Jewish and how they came up with this they found this rabbi. Who explain that? You could consecrate a part of this cemetery for his burial and there's a respect between them. Yeah they know their differences but there's a healthy respect respect because of their commonality. And that tells you something and I'll throw a dame and therefore you Jack Kemp a Jack Kemp. Republican Jack was another guy. These are for men who are not out of their time. They need to have more people like. Yeah but I think that those guys that you're talking about that is that middle that I think a bunch of us now are trying to give some energy energy to and I do believe it's working so that that's what makes us want to do. But do you would prefer that Daniel Patrick Moynihan or Ed Katcher. JFK returned strongly to the Democrats right even if even if it costs you guys. Let's say the Republicans you would still prefer to have an honest broker dealer right. Well let me first of all. I believe we're still going to win. But here's what should happen. I think we need more real parties. And here's what of my disappointments with Libertarians. You have Republican you have Democrat. I do prefer they would come back and research but I I don't believe in just the two party system I WANNA multi-party system not too many like in Israel where sixty thousand people can literally change the makeup of your country. You can have an absurd apart. Yeah but over the years from Ron Paul. Oh I think failed the libertarians massively because he didn't build it infrastructure I've Said said to libertarians. Build your state parties. Find a few key states build an infrastructure because in politics you need an infrastructure and grow your party Ardi so that you can have a debate. You have a real third party of viable third party right but they don't do that work. They just go for the presidency every four years. And then it's it's just go for the market and you don't build a good product. You know what you have failure. Yeah and it's worse than failure in a way because then you look more ridiculous each time time out liars come out there so ridiculous and people go. Well why would I wanNA be a part of that crazy. Do you as a Republican. Do you fear that okay. So let's say they're libertarians. A lot of Libertarians. Watch this show. Obviously most of my political leanings are libertarian wouldn't you fear that what that does then is all right now. We get a libertarian party. That's at ten percent. It just took eight percent of that from the Republicans. Congratulations we now have socialist Comrade Elizabeth Warren. Don't and I'll tell you why. Why one like you? I believe in the Constitution and the system and when I was a kid my father said you know and I don't remember the exact words. Basically real strength real conviction. Fiction is that when something doesn't benefit us at the right thing you know in other words right so the constitution is my guide and the fact that we can have this debate. Eight and the ability to correct in this country we have a cultural. DNA in the declaration of independence. We have a legal DNA in the constitution and the bill of rights and we have the federalist papers things. But what frames is this idea that the country can solve correct. Supreme Court can make a decision. The branches can get involved with their respective roles. We can correct things. We fix things in this country and it's difficult and it should be. We don't want easy. FLIP FLOPS SO I don't fear. Fear a libertarian. Party that strong. I want it because I thinking help. The other party's self-correct you know. More strength more voices voices not less more strength to me is better a strong nation as an less challenged by outsiders. Would I want a week nation. They want a stronger nation and we can weather the challenges as is for the Socialists. We do have an issue here in this country. And I think there's the level of willful ignorance and ideology combined. That's dangerous and the thing is when it magnifies enough and it gets a loud voice and it's used was an abused by many out there who actually don't even know the difference. That's a danger because what it does is it robs people of that the part of their life. Especially when you're you're younger when you should be building toward your future and once you've lost chunk of that how do you get it back. That's a danger. Yeah so what do we do to change the factory settings of how people are brought up. It's a it's a phrase that my friend bridget fat as he came up with this. I think it's really perfect. That basically the factory three settings if you grow up in America are all sort of lefty or democratic factory settings you know we should take from some and give to the other. The government is somehow inherently good. All all of these are the policies of the Democrats are just like the thing that you're just sort of basically taught and then you go from there where in my view the factory settings we should all get would actually be very libertarian. It would be all about freedom and individual rights and individual liberty and then you figure out where do we actually need government. And that's why I. I still consider myself a classical liberal libertarian. Because I do believe there are some utility for the state. It's just it's just real politics jumping. Yes you oh you do so what I would prefer if education would get everybody to the point of understand the constitution understand the documents you just laid out so so that we are free. I right then. Let's have the argument about when we when we need government but we do it the other way we do that. The government is inherently good. They gave you all the right. They're supposed to give you this stuff and free this and then occasionally somebody on the right can come in and maybe move that down a little bit but it seems to me that we're doing this thing upside down for small business. Owners are people who are building a brand or even podcast producers like me being plugged in and prepared when an opportunity comes up is crucial. It happens more than you think. I meet people who want to interview. I hear stories. I WanNa talk about and I need to connect with the right people. Having Polish professional business card is the first step happened making it happen. vistaprint helps you take advantage of opportunities. You can own the now with free shipping on any business card in any quantity you choose. Whatever style L. Fund finished shape or paper? You like and create cards. That are as unique. 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And that's what I see and where we are now the self-correct correct on this I think is more evident in parts of the country. That don't get the attention Lyman Wyoming Cheyenne Somewhere out in Paxton Nebraska in other areas where people don't wake up every day and see things the way you and I do. Don't check the twitter and the the president don't checks Sanders Laureano. They didn't live in this. Those are the people we have to engage. I still believe and I see it. anecdotally Leeann I think gets supported by a lot of studies that there are more people in this country that if they're engaged are that silent majority now whether they're right or left I think they fall more in the American cultural values system for fear. Freedom but maybe they don't understand fully the risk and reward that comes with freedom. There's there's yeah there. There's risk when what you're describing happens when we go upside down when it comes to freedom we've gotta realize realized that it's inherent risk and reward is why it works and I think there are more of those people out there that are coming to that center. The problem is they haven't been engaged. Engaged properly either party and they need to be brought into. What do we do then to make more? Let's say a inclusive write this is. This is one of the interesting things that I find right now most of my audiences. It's a little hard to say but I would say it's something like half of my own. It's probably former lefties. Fifties and a huge percentage of those people. They're still like those people on the right like I made nuts but those people on the right are really not Hussein. Zane right everybody's nuts Hussein but that's what I'm trying to show them that it's not the case because what I have consistently seen is is that the right while not being perfect and nothing is something like gay marriage for example the right now has basically nobody talks about gay marriage anymore. Nobody's nobody's fighting for gay marriage to reverse. There's literally nobody doing the voices in the Republican Party. That were rabidly against it. Say Mike Huckabee and Rick Santorum really have no. Oh power in the Republican party anymore. So I've seen an ability to be flexible intellectually on the right. What is it that you guys can do you too to further that? If you think that. That's a good thing to do. I think it is a good thing to do to evolve again. I trust the Constitution Constitution. The people to make as a whole the better choice not pure democracy not mob rule but to make a better choice based on some things that they do control of some the things they don't control back in the eighty S. If you had a black friend you were cool by the mid to late eighties. If you had a gay friend Yo you are really cool. Both were like man hanging in the club and he had a time machine. I exactly but there's a truth there because what happened. Generation ration- started to evolve. Those people who were cool subtly saw people differently like how teammates each other. I know you may come from that side and on that side but we're playing on the same team. Which is the American team so as the generation evolves the party's didn't always evolve? The Republican Party failed to engage blacks ax and urban neighborhoods. Because they add a strategy for eighty-five with evangelical so I get it reality a political party right red state Blue State Republican and Democrat County. carve-up you get your wins. I get my we play where redistricting so the parties failed but the cultures evolved in. The party has to come along eventually problem. Elim is the party takes longer to come a log. I don't have to agree with someone and that's not required. Neither is my offense or someone else's offense fence does sorry because it's about freedom and I think the people will drag it along. Which is why I still hold more? Faith than the millennials than people on the right or left have to are there ones that are troublesome yes but are there more of them in this country when you do as I do and I've been every state and I've talked to me and I see more people people are saying. Just let me live. Let me do what I can do to get my life where it is and stop trying to sell me on what I need to believe. Yeah and we're really seeing that now. Now with the generation behind the millennials you know the sixteen year olds. Now who are not you know the twenty two year old social justice right signal in crowd. Yeah they're younger. Brothers and sisters are now going right with that move. But it's happened before. See this go back to the eighties. For let's go back. Was a future rewind machine or the this way what happened for blacks in this country. You had a large influx during the growth of the BBC news. You know the real growth you had affirmative action. You had more blacks going to colleges. You had all of this come out of the seventies and eighties but it took time for them to graduate and kind of grow into the system so they couldn't stop the march of blacks economically culture. Yeah Historical Voting Democrats Parents Democrats grandparents still there but this slowly erosion of you you belong to US started back then so black citizen new just. The recognition of recognition of the term is new. It's happening in any way or you're buying a little spot of land you're buying a town whole you're keeping your credit rating up. Now you're sending your kids to someplace place better what's happening. That's the evolution of generations. So I'm glad you mentioned six. I wanted to bring up candidates related to this so it seems to me that part of the reason that the Democrats Kratzer now screaming about reparations is because candace owens has been so almost single-handedly affective at talking to I hate the freeze the black community of the gay community eight that but talking to black America. Let's say which also has its limits as a field talking to Buffalo. And just saying she always says it she says it's the least what I'm really saying the least controversial thing you could say which is back. People don't have to be Democrats. Nobody has anything born with a stamp. My God look here Democrat baby right so she says her message actually even though she can throw some firebombs out there for sure her message. Actually she'll be is incredibly uncontroversial in normal society but it seems to me that she caused such upheaval in the way that the media talks about black people bowl after Connie tweeted that thing that suddenly all the hit pieces on candiates like that same game we always see he should be in a mental institution. Shell L. Out New Euro Stockholm Syndrome. You've heard you've heard them all but but it seems to me that she caused such a awakening. That now reparations have become the norm on the left. When Barack Obama would never thought about talking about reparations reparations and in a way now is a dinosaur of the Democrats he comes off now? A Guy that I'm guessing you disagree with every policy now comes off as pretty center. Wouldn't you say relative to the to the crew now. Well appearances can be deceiving. I'll leave that on the table with him because I watched history to where he got. But here. Here's what's happened. Happened in large part in the black community and in the American communities I like you. I don't like the segregation but I recognize the reality of what it is blacks and whites in any other ethnic group in America have started to look at their personal life and their economy. Economy their opportunity more than they're looking at parties so the message will resonate more when a candidate so and steps up and says step away. What did trump do during during the campaign cycle? It was bla. What the Hell do you have and how many people say something's not working in my life? What the hell do I have to lose? Let me try something else it. It was a recognition that something's broken right. Somebody pulled the fire alarm. There's a problem everybody's running around their hair's on fire lights and sirens and going up but they already knew something. Something was wrong so now they're wondering so what do you do. If you're laugh that I call it the regressive progressive left what do you do you now. have to create eight enemies and fear and fear works. You tell people you don't have it because those Damn Republicans I know you've been living in Baltimore with fifty thirty years of liberal rule and at West Baltimore is a s hall. And this is it. 'cause you're living with it but it's the white guy living over and Howard counties fault. Yeah right all right so really yeah or every time that somebody brings up. I mean Hannity deals with this all the time you know he he brings up shootings shootings in Chicago and he talks about the black in Chicago. They tell him he's racist and it's like well. How come when the black you were talking about it? I'll come into black. Criminal uses the gun to commit a crime and a majority black neighborhood. It's the criminals fault when the white guy uses a gun. It's the gun's fault. 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And in whether you're in a bad neighborhood good neighborhood everywhere in between you know that information out there so we have a job to do you and I give people the information. Help Guide them. Yes we are believed to our beliefs. We have a right to push those out there but help guide people not only listen to why we believe what we do but at the same time figure out what your beliefs are and then substantiate them and technology media social media all of this. Look it can be misused abused and it is now but it can be used and targeted. Where are you at on the regulation of the big tech companies? Because it's a really fascinating one right now. But you've got Tucker Carlson I'll do my descend you've got Karl on the right. And you've got Elizabeth Warren on the left both calling for the same thing which is a pretty fascinating political spot. And I think maybe I told you this privately but when I went to youtube and I met with Susan with Jesse the CEO of you in her off or in the conference Moore. And I said I'm basically the last guy not calling for election relation. Still trying to play the libertarian thing. I'm still trying to find market answers to this. But that's that's becoming increasingly more minority position. Y Y they're calling for Tucker or war and two different reasons based on their ideologies and I'm with you I I'd this is a longer term view. I don't want government stepping in and having a hand in something 'cause you can never get their hand out of it or you can rarely get their hand out. I believe in the free market. It's a patient game. It's a long term. Somebody looks somebody else is going on with technology technology soon artificial intelligence working exactly and I know others that are working on competitive models so whether it's five years ten years here's they will have something in competition or they will evolve or age out that's the nature of business and I think that can work but government getting involved as the danger because of this simple reason if you're a congressman. It's a two year cycle if you're presidents for maybe eight years if your senator at six years so they think in and cycles and when the cycle changes their solution which rarely as the one you want is more dangerous because somebody else can come along and change it. Misinterpreted interpreted right any regulation and ignore the basic principles of. Let it work out and I say this to Republicans I get it. Look look my facebook. Page some out just basically people don't feeds gone for a year plus I've been effectively shutdown. I literally have lost US ninety percent of my reach at times. Yeah they changed some metrics. But I didn't lose ninety percent overnight right. Ninety percent didn't just drop and the fact that they're so untransparent his parents makes you half the time. Thank you were a conspiracy theorists and then in a weird way. They're playing off that right. They never give you any information so that they go. We change a little bit. It's a fan page. You're supposed to pay like they're always trying to keep you guessing so that you don't feel comfortable talking about it because you don't want to sound like well. The difference between conspiracy and reality for me is probability in possibility what is probable what is possible and on the ends you. Have you know the reality which we may never know the conspiracy. I don't want government becoming the overlord of any publishing platform however I do want the antitrust regulations to be reviewed. I do want the responsible bodies with oversight that we've elected them to do to go in and say okay. Technologies evolve companies. Have evolved does antitrust me are they. They acted like a model monopoly. At a monolithic body are others allowed into the marketplace which is different than facebook saying instagram. I WANNA buy so you. That's fine. Yeah even if I don't like what some of your premise. You're starting point I would say is basically the libertarian position. But then you're you're you're just saying this has gone so extreme that we have to do some stuff that you don't want to do I actually I don't maybe don't want him to do anything you one about think about it and go. Warren wants control. Right that's what she wants. She doesn't want freedom she wants control. I just have to base that on her writing since college. Her papers that I have read her policy positions. Well the danger also because they call us Nazis so once they have the power. What do you think they're going to do all the Nazis they learned? It's their moral duty to get rid of the rest of us. That's why you don't want the government and the tech companies in bed. I don't WanNa make a a decision and where it goes wrong in our country we do self correct in two hundred or forty forty two forty ish fortyish forty three three but even just okay. Let's go back to the constitution and when it was really in the bill of rights and when that was put in place in these years that this country has been around. What are we got right over what we've gotten wrong we've evolved reeve reverse the blight of slavery the Atlantic slave trade women's rights under Calvin Coolidge by the way a Republican and his wife Grace Coolidge? who fought for that? Look at all the things we've done and what we've exported we've we've exported ideas and freedom. The Nation's imperfect were imperfect will make mistakes but our ability to correct them as based in something. That's the core for this country. And I have more faith in that than I do in the others. Now that doesn't mean we don't need you know sheepdogs out there to watch for the wolf died in the woods and it doesn't mean that we don't have to protect because the fact is the majority of people are sheep not in necessarily a bad way. I'm not insulting all people. But majority of people go along their dailies. They make it work. They make the economy work. The engine workday drive the trucks. Work in the stores work on Wall Street but sheepdogs are the ones who lookout for what's right and what's wrong even if they don't agree with it and we need more of that sheepdog approach. Yeah well we need a little. We need a little a bit Let's think about what we might be getting ourselves into jerk response beyond what you think. That's why I'm afraid. I'm afraid politicians in this sense. They think in cycles and we need long-term thinking if a company makes a decision economically on a factory or something based on at twenty to thirty year projection of Trans bligh lines and distribution and avenues for their products. Whatever the case may be? Why are we thinking in two four? We're in six year periods. That's incredibly short sighted in dangerous now and that's something we ought to consider so you're basically at trump guy right. AH I. I am a trump supporter. And I you know knowledge of him before he was president and now and what I do or may not disagree. I agree with her agree with but I have seen him do something amazing in this country. You broke the emergency glass and said they're not working for you. You say Republicans working for you Democrats. So don't we're GONNA view came down the escalator and said folks. It's not working. That's how I see it. Yeah is there anything that just personality wise or anything that worries you or you feel. It's a little playing with fire or something like that for all. The lefties lefties that I told you about before that are coming. That are saying okay. Conservatives we GOTCHA. You're you're not what we thought Libertarians. You're certainly not what we thought. There's this other firewall law or something that's related to trump that. I think anybody that big figure. He exaggerates at times. I've had private conversations conversations. I've had public interviews. You know so I see him in different ways. I've seen him also in ways that I wish more people would recognize wrote in an article about his interaction with a terminal cancer patient. He didn't even know I was actually. I didn't know I was writing it but I kind of made that interaction happen and no cameras. No nothing. Don't think so. I've seen different sides of the Tweeden at times of like I would have done it. Better different I actually tell them I would have done it better. uh-huh people always say that that it's the tweeting that they can't get older but it's like he did break the system by tweeting so the Obama at had a twitter account trump weaponized. Yeah he made it a weapon because otherwise he would be causally assailed and have no outlet and media the F.. Failed here because if media was fair I really believe there would be less of this barrage. If you've been under assault and you and he has he has been under or assault. And he's a counterpuncher and yes he's big and look bigger than live television personality personality as a whole who he is from as young as but what I do is I go underlying like the river. Here's this big rough water up top and then you go longer and you see what runs. Deep the the policies the work being done by the Agencies Hud the small business administration changes in regulation unleashing parts of America that need to build that get outlast his presidency full disclosure on part of the committee to unleash prosperity founded by Forbes Kudlow laffer and and more and before trump we were working on this pro-growth policy approach. We'll have our roles. I'm not the economist. I can convey convey the policy message but this is what was put in place bringing a team of rivals. Find a way to swim with the sharks. Try to make it so that the foundation changes evolves falls in his better and then let that go to work and when you're out of the White House because he will be despite all the people that think he's not leaving the White House and I saw that said twenty forty four. Are there times just like Donald these but when you talk to the guy and you sit in a room and I know people that I've known him a lot longer than I. Have you have this different personality. And I think that's not that different for many of these public figures. How much attention do you think people should pay to all this? That's one of the things you know. When I did my grid August? That was one of the things that I spent a lot of time thinking about that. We all care. We want to be engaged. People that watch these shows that. Watch your show. It's like there's a beauty in a weird way for as hysterical as everyone seems there's a beauty right now because people are actually reevaluating what they think they re evaluating what side. They're on their reevaluated. Who could talk to this so there is a beauty to it that that is under the later craziness but sometimes I am worried? That the obsession and with all of this the the obsession with either. What trump tweeted or the latest stupid thing that said it? It's keeping us it really off-balance just as people or it's just not healthy for a society. No I mean there's an unhealthy aspect of it if you when I say you. The person don't understand it for what it is or at least try to. Maybe none of us. I think fully understand even ourselves because we all grow evolve different experiences bobby. This is United Bourbon. Did you know excuse me to order. No seriously I know what twitter is all right. Let's use twitter's example or any social media so I go on it. I throw a grenade in the room and I walk away and I see what happens because I know what it is. It's a toy you go out for a month and I throw lever twenty four hours and watch. Listen Llanos husband go nuts. I people don't understand that some of this isn't real L. Life you can convey real life using the platform but is it really real life to use twitter. That's his twitter is not real life. ooh That is but whatever it is guy guy and you know social media and all these components are not that this with people people watching it and I hope they're interacting with us by thinking for themselves at the same time. Excuse me same time. That's real life and realized realize that these are tools. People hate you get it on twitter. You're sure that I have a Ivan entire file but I don't keep the file because I need to know the file the file out because I'm like wow. That was pretty clever. You need to improve on that. Can you do better. I've heard that one before and I. It is nice when you get like a truly original Oakland. I give him credit. I don't agree with what you say but a guy on twitter. I think it's Rick Rock or whatever and he's Jersey guy and he will occasionally come the happy go what I put up something. He has the guts to say. Okay I can think of that and then five seconds later I gotta ask You I. Don't I know that I've ever asked you this. Your Voice which is an All-star radio voice did you always have that deep gravelly. I know you've had surgery over the years. Here's on your throat and stuff but did you always have that from from when you always had the deep voice you know when puberty ends you find out which we go. ooh One pile up. But that didn't really make a difference. Thank God you know. That didn't do it it's just there. It's what I have have okay. Some of it to be fair is tired and work in from time to time to go through that I was up at three. Am this morning flying through three cities just to get. I came across states to get here. But it's also part of the coach and the delivery that we all do so professionally. You and I do what we do what we focus on our delivery and don't worry about which don't have because I don't like to listen to my show I I hate in air checks sessions. I hated sitting. There might be listening to my soft really but you have to check and you have to use what you got. Somebody's somebody's GonNa like it. Somebody's not going to like it. Just be what it is and there's a lot of guys out. There were deeper voices than me. They're not all barry white you ever guest host any of the rock channels now. Is that what you're passionate before I grew up with music and entertainment always loved music. Music never had the talent to play play around the drums a little the piano in a double things but I know music in all its warms. There's classical classical that I like. There's rock there's metal there's hip hop. There's a but I always seem to fall into music and entertainment. When Rapper's delight came out of East Orange New Jersey? I was in high school at the same time. Dj We got to know each other. When Casey and the sunshine band or coming out with all these these things are coming together? Well I was in New York for the music scene when you know late nights at the palladium when blondie would come in when Pat Ben. Atar Billy Squire the remotes Joey indeedy. What all this thing? That China Club Late Nights North Rob so I grew up with this and what I have a love for his. I respect art saying what you respect the painted or beautiful classic car. It's a creation so I always love that I I love music. It's now I get away. You get away for a month now I crank it up at I go and I will go through the moods man. I will put on Missouri Ski and Play Pictures and exhibition or put on the e o p version and listen to Greg Lake. who was a longtime friend? Plays version just depends. It's like Bourbon. Urban Scotch it's my mood or its lifestyle. I think we did it all man now. We got lots more to go is there. Is there okay. I'll be the day in your hearts. God Yeah although you do a beautiful hair spray in there all all right well. We're not going to wait five years. How about that no? 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He was one of eight hundred fifty two Saudi nationals in Niaz for military training provided under a security cooperation agreement with Saudi Arabia. Three sailors were killed in the shooting. Friday eight others were injured Alpha. Ronnie was shot and killed by Sheriff's Deputies Democrats on the House. Judiciary Committee released a fifty five page report Saturday on the constitutional grounds for the impeachment of president. Donald Trump. The the report does not say whether trump should be impeached and said leaving the question to the full House of Representatives to decide. President trump is facing backlash for comments. He made while speaking to the Israeli. The American council Saturday night a lot of the real estate business. Because I know you very well you brutal killers not nice people at all. You have to vote for him. You have no choice did you. Democrat Council America said. His remarks were deeply offensive and that they repeated negative stereotypes that had been used historically to target Jews. Some said trump was also essentially suggesting that American Jews should necessarily be supportive of Israel and the government's right wing policies which critics say plays into the antisemitic dual loyalty cliche often often used to attack us in the US and other countries the president's stance on immigration is apparently behind a nativity scene in southern California. That's causing a stir. The display at Claremont Clermont United Methodist Church depicts Jesus Mary and Joseph as a family separated at the. US Mexico border now Minnesota where some local governments are adopting to meet the needs. The other immigrant and refugee populations which how seen double digit increases in Recent Years Mike Mullen reports in Roseville city manager. Patrick Trudging says they've gone to great lengths to make sure these residents have positive interactions with city hall that includes seeking feedback on how to handle notifications on where to park during snow emergencies. Entities oftentimes where it is most impacted. Where there's no parking options where people don't get the message and get the tickets around multifamily units? oftentimes those the house immigrant populations so we did some very purposeful engagement in certain apartment buildings and literally dropped off door hangers at each unit in three different languages. We're just trudging says. A challenge is trying to convey that city hall wants to be helpful when many immigrants are coming from countries where there are major barriers to trusting government. In addition to outreach reach Roseville is working with the League in Minnesota cities in a national program to train municipalities on how to advance racial equity through local government. This is P. N. S. S. the CDC is named vaping brands most commonly linked to hospitalizations. Most of the nearly twenty three hundred people who've suffered lung damage had liquids that contain THC the part of marijuana that induces a high dank vapes was the brand used by fifty six percent of hospitalized patients nationwide other products addicts named in the list from the CDC Tko Smart Cart and Rove meanwhile Kentucky School districts trying to stem the tide of vaping. That's not only harmful all to the health of their middle and high school students but has also draining resources. Nadia Ramleh Gone Explains Bullet County School. Superintendent Jesse Bacon recently announced that his district is suing e cigarette companies over there targeted marketing to young people. We're not using district funds to pursue. This is all on the backs of the attorneys that have agreed to represent us so any compensation that the attorneys get would be based on any on a favorable judgment or settlement at the district gets jewel the most popular e cigarette manufacturer facture maintains its marketing was geared toward people who already were smokers. Last week the Fayette County Public Schools Board unanimously voted to sue jewel and other their companies for sparking what it called an epidemic of nicotine addiction among students in the Commonwealth a new study reveals. That young people who use marijuana frequently are more than twice as is likely to have a stroke. Compared with those who don't use the drug at all a recent second study found the link between marijuana use and increase risk of heart rhythm problems and young adults not not so much scientific information exists on health risks and cannabis use according to Stanford University. Dr Robert Harrington who's president of the American Heart Association if someone's buying Kamera one off the street there's no way of determining whether it's lace with PCP or cocaine or any other stimulant researchers found that young people who use marijuana more than ten days a month but who did not use tobacco products were nearly two and a half times more likely to have a stroke than people who did not use marijuana Montana. Ratepayers are rallying today against northwestern energies twenty year plan to Invest Heavily in fossil fuels. We get the story from Eric. Tag it off. The Public Service Commission holds to public hearings today Eh on northwestern energy's resource procurement plan which includes its intention to run the coal strip coal plant through twenty forty two and build four natural gas plants. It doesn't include any investments in renewable energy sources. Jeff Smith Co chairs the Climate Action Group Three Fifty Montana. He notes the utility companies. vice-president Gordon recently said all of coal strips units would be retired within a decade. So which is the plan GonNa be open until twenty forty two. Who is the vice president? President correct insane coaster is going to close down within the decade. That's a big issue. Most of Coal Strips owners utilities in Idaho Oregon and Washington are pulling out or predict. They'll stop relying on the plant within the next eight years. I'm Mary Sherman for Public News. Service member an listener supported and online public news service dot the high. Oh we have the big boys playing. NHL Hockey right now in the NBA. Houston continues to roll. I think Minnesota so they had a winning them apparently did they had one win in them. back on the floor in Minneapolis on Monday night. One nineteen one one hundred the Houston Rockets. Knock off the Minnesota Timberwolves take a three one series lead as that one goes back to Houston and in Utah just putting the finishing touches on that big three or bust in Oklahoma City one. Oh five ninety with about three minutes to go from Salt Lake City Utah looking to go up. Three one in that series Boston Boston fails to put put away the Toronto Maple leafs are the ice. That series is giving us our two favorite words in all of sports came seven. That will take place in Boston. Ostad later this week and is the Bruins. Do not pull that one off. It will be looked at as quite the collapse. A lot of major league baseball going on the Boston Red Sox best team in Baseball Boston. Red Sox the other night by the way Shawn Mugniyah no hits them in Oakland The best team in baseball ever to be no but we got plenty of hits coming your way here sports overnight America keep a close. My Name's Jack Rich. It will be right back Hey Mike How's the house. Going along. Needs a tunnel work. 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It is the PELICANS pulling off the upset. As the succeed in the West we all know that in the western conference yet used and yet golden state and then yet everybody else about two through about three through and in that conference nine and ten. Don't get eh by way of a win. In a virtual playing game the timber wolves reached the postseason but they had the rockets waiting for them and the rockets have just been far too much even without their best stuff against Tom tiptoes former Chicago Bulls playing for the Minnesota Timberwolves and a few others that have been added to the cast but we all know that these typical lead teams do not win in the postseason. They're sometimes fun to watch in the regular season. Not so so much fun to watch on Monday. Night as the rockets beat them by nineteen on their home floor. The Warriors Look really dejected. Because they were unable able to sweep the San Antonio Spurs coach pop continues to be away from that team. I mentioned that the Pelicans advanced and the Utah Jazz put themselves themselves. One step closer to around two. Nothing settled in the eastern conference rafters in the wizards battling it out belts the winter. That one will take on the winter of cavs Pacers cavs salvaged a Tutu split after two games in Indianapolis and that one The sixers in the heat. The heat aren't just GonNa lay down and die die and let the process take over and then the Celtics and the box other all even up to man. So this is not exactly chock happening thing and it might end up being shocked but At the end of the day you've got a win for to get to the next step. You can't win sixteen without one of the first four and that is not proving to be easy one. Eight hundred eight seven eight seven five two nine. That's the number to call all and I'm not sure. Do we still have Kenneth Kenneth The decks you out there are. WE'RE GONNA get we're GONNA be going then talking about a what happened over. The weekend of the world is sports you know. Of course I think the the big criticism is due to broad James Cavaliers but look at that organization having failed the Braun to end up with just one title in this most recent Fauria run. Yes you couldn't mantis debate that you were going to run into golden state becoming quite what they are but there are no opponents to be blamed for what's happened. Thus far. In the seventeen eighteen season to the Cleveland Cavaliers Skyrocketing Kind of bailed on that bailed on them stating that he wanted to be traded. And if you were not treated. He's revealed viole that he would have had season ending surgery before the season began so it was a moot point to just try to get something for his services Boston Washington again. Not exactly running away with it against the bucks. I think that Boston will be just fine without Gordon Hayward without Kyrie Irving I at least to get past the Milwaukee box. I shouldn't have run into the sixers and we're going to assume that Normalcy is going to pull out that it will be the sixers cheers and the Celtics in the Eastern conference semifinals. That that is going to be very very intriguing match-up I think it's matchup hell for the Boston Celtics. But what I anticipate is Brad. Stevens will find a way to make that series competitive. The people taking sixers could go to these conference finals. I don't blame you and at based on what we've seen from the cavaliers the raptors in the Celtics through the first the four of Eastern Conference playoff action. I'd say that it's not that farfetched to say that Philadelphia it is quite possibly could easily be the best team in the Eastern Conference. At least things are setting up to be favorable for them to advance. It's a lot of believers in Toronto out there still and I don't blame you. I Washington is a great match up for Toronto in round one. I think the Toronto and might beat everybody that the play in the Eastern Conference for there are no sweeps style points in professional sports. You win the Games that are put in front of yet you advance and get you live to play another day and you shouldn't worry about who's in your way I couldn't even name all of the warriors opponents in their three consecutive runs to the NBA. Finals I probably named the cavaliers because I think it's like Boston Twice Dorado twice Detroit. Lots Atlanta once. Maybe Indiana wants along the way you know the joke. The joke amongst folks cavs fans is the Toronto's wind air trying to stealing is losing to the cavs and six in the Eastern Conference finals. which is exactly what happened in two thousand sixteen? Sixteen things have changed. Personnel moves have been made fully. Do expect to see rafters cavs sixers exotics in the next round but PATS on the back definitely do the Milwaukee Bucks basically going without coach. Second half of the season season the Miami he they are no superstar out that bunch Except for the rising star that is the coaching measurement of one Erik. SPOELSTRA SPOELSTRA. dwayne Casey Brad Stevens best coaches in the East a David Brown might find a way to get the sixers to the finals. And not not tyler but Lebron James might find a way to get the cavaliers there's to the NBA Finals as for my free playoff predictions cavs gaps a little bit of a scare there with the cab surly. Perhaps you know what we've seen in these first board games from the cavaliers in basketball should sway me away from my victor. I'm I'm going to be a man of conviction and I'm gonNA stick with the the pick of the cavaliers besting the Houston Rockets in seven games in the NBA finals else. I don't know if I care so much. Who comes out of the West in the NHL provided that? It is either Nashville or Las Vegas. But I would begrudge San Jose or Winnipeg the opportunity to try to play for the COP. Usual suspects are the Eastern Conference side in the National Hockey League. You know you got the patents to Tie Stanley defending Stanley Cup Champs Perennial underachievers in the Washington capitals. Does they'll play each other for a trip to the Eastern Conference finals. Tampa Bay awaits their opponent and that will be found out for game seven in Boston. Massachusetts between the Maple leafs and the Boston Bruins and the NBA. You know we don't know much but we I think we could kinda insinuate that reports Houston in the second round. Probably against the jazz and we're going to put the warriors against the Pelicans and I said it's going to be one through four in the eastern conference efforts upset potential. I I liked the jazz a little bit with the the rockets and they're going to be a better competition Russian for the rockets around to As far as the warriors go I mean other warriors are major wild card that I could see them going dominating dating and winning their third. NBA title in four years. I could see them losing to the New Orleans. PELICANS and the way. It's GonNa take a miraculous after despite despite the talent that Anthony Davis is for Golden State to fall this early. I mean it's pretty ordained they were GONNA get used any golden state in the Western Conference finals. I don't know that anything is set in stone in the east other than putting one through four into the next round. I don't know that we get after Celtics takes. I don't know that we get Cap Celtics in the conference finals. There's a little bit more variable there than there is in the last word is going to be used in and it's going to be golden in state and we're going to be back on the other side and we will talk some major league. Baseball is plenty going on there. My Name's Jeff. Rich this sports overnight America will be right back and the seven in the first round. Guys I stop off. That's GonNa be a tough shot. Work hard on an things start coming together for in Alabama. 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Gregorious goes for the Grand Grand Slam Stanton puts one out and the Yankees take care of the twins fourteen to one in the Bronx The Indians get an early one. From mm-hmm Yonder Alonzo and defeat the orioles to one Kevin Gausman with the Seasons First Immaculate inning. That Saad nine pitches nine strikes three outs and it's done for the first time by again. Baltimore's can got a Kevin Guzman the athletics nine. The Rangers four in Arlington. The angels blink. The Astros in Houston to nothing white sox ten mariners four on the south side dodgers. beat the Marlins to one at home. Padres go into Colorado and they'd be Iraqis thirteen to five rockies coming off of a series against the Celtics relate dropped to three and it was the giants four in the nationals to in front of an empty facility there at at and T.. Park but the home team wins nonetheless. And I welcome your phone calls. I welcome your opinions. One eight hundred eight seven eight seven five two nine and that being said let's throw it up to Kenneth Texas Kenneth. Thank you for your call. What's on your mind evening? I I'm I'm a first time caller and I appreciate very much taking my call. Appreciate you I'm a couple of questions in regards to my tech things One what do you see. He is being a position of media heading into the draft and to. How do you assess their schedule? Well their schedule always stinks. 'cause they send them to They send them to foxborough pretty much. Every September since Bill Ryan gotten there As far as needed and the draft. I think that that you don't Houston's got US support that front four with secondary help and you know the more weapons. You can give a young quarterback Shawn Watson the better off. You're going to be in in my when I looked at the schedule. Okay I came across three games that are going to be very answer school. The St James with those kind of I would say week one at New England. They never won there. We taking their in state rival Dallas and then we sixteen when they face off with the defending champs in Philly. Those are big game. I think both types they play Jacksonville when you're looking to team that kind of came out of nowhere to go all the way to the AFC championship yep and to kind of take that Division that AFC South Division by storm Division that Indianapolis was supposed to have a thing or two to say about it. But they can't get agile luck on the field Tennessee's got the quarterback answered but And they did go to the postseason a year ago. But how much of a threat are they really really. I like a Jacksonville. As Houston's biggest threat going forward but That state championship game. I might not be able to understand it as well as you do and Your your counterparts in North Texas who You know reflecting or is the star other helmets on. That's gotta they gotta be of a much bigger magnitude when you're part part of it when you're within the state of Texas especially with Houston catacomb along and was a two thousand to two thousand three. In that they they expanded into the League and try to assaults on the map it was two thousand two they open. They open their franchise with a home. Victory over those cowboys didn't they. Nineteen to ten. If I'm not mistaken it was a touchdown pass from David car to Billie Miller. There's a lot. There's a lot of names of Texans passenger quickly forgotten from those early years but I would say the last the last five or six years of Houston Texas. Football is the best that they've delivered in the city. You Know Fifteen sixteen years that they've been there now. Yeah the Mogo game that really As far as Texans past I would say the first playoff win against Cincinnati right right. Does the same team. So you know Houston Indianapolis Kansas City and Cincinnati are Kinda always involved involved with that first wildcard weekend. A lot of that can be attributed to the fact that You know the two teams to get the buy in the AFC would be the Patriots. It's on the steelers. So you're you're you're going to have a lot of teams from the AFC South and from the AFC west Trying to get into that second weekend via the wild card weekend and before I go I wanted to give my condolences. Everyone was affected by the passing wrestling legend. Thermo Summer and I know he passed away and just recently right a lot. A lot of deaths You know absolutely overshadowed by the passing of former first lady Barbara Bush but instead I can talk to every to that as well as your Eh Earle Bruce passing away yet somebody out of Hollywood site at thanks. Your sediments were certainly appreciated. 'cause appreciate it. You got anything else on in your mind before I move on Kenneth you can go ahead and move on. I appreciate you taking my Auckland. Let you go that way. Other competing can Frisia to have another caller on your mind and if there are any other callers out there one eight hundred eight seven eight seven five two nine was going to talk a little bit of Major Angelique Baseball. This segment got the check out. A couple of went to my first Games in person over the weekend to get quick little turn and burn flight up up to the Denver and watch the cubs play the rockies a couple of times and more so than the baseball that was going on yet. Play a hockey going on around the corner. I know that they gotta be excited about the draft. which isn't a common occurrence in Denver? But obviously you've got one piece bill with your defense there in Denver. What are you going to do to make sure that the offense could score enough points to make that defense going out there and you know Boston has make it worth their while but in Colorado you know it was more about the calendar than it was what was going on April twentieth breath on Friday and never have I seen a city so excited for it to be a particular day of the year beyond being merry Christmas? It was as happy happy four. It's always like with that Drifting chanted the end Some things are legal in Colorado. That aren't legal well in a lot of other places. So maybe that explains it to a certain extent Very you know very interesting. It was like being back in the Mid West for me and Denver is is a nice little transition city for midwesterners and apparently for fans of the Chicago cubs. Because there were a lot more of them out there than there were people pulling calling for the Colorado rockies over the weekend and you know the Rockies have you they've they hang their two thousand seven nationally penance with pride right there but but it's been some lean years they wanted done in the wildcard round a year ago zero diamondbacks. They dropped to three need to the cubs. They went five three on Saturday but the the other two games were well. Friday night was a drubbing. Sunday was very interesting ended on the A- caught stealing at home plate of of all things in a nine seven game. So not exactly a blow out there but not exactly a game the Colorado Iraqis Faithful turned out for a lot more cubs fans again they're rockies fans in the house a little chippiness going on on the field you know from the nose those leaves. I don't think that I caught Chili Davis the cubs I headed coach being tossed out of the game Kris Bryant Anthony Resort with pitches when these these two teams reconvene and we thought at least one of these games will be canceled and Denver. Do the weather over the weekend but prison. Cold temperatures Friday Saturday Sunday. You're that getting sunburned out there. And we're GONNA take a quick break where it talks about hockey on the other side again. Only one slide open in the second round will produce the second round matchups Chaffetz. My Name's Jeff. Rich this sports overnight America will be right back the garage one out of the deep left center more cash back to second. It can't fail at his way back over. His head. Dow Goodbye Growl. Although the metal mattie older smothers smothers at the fence applying Manny Machado ending the inning saving Ron. 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Just go finals to get you in the National Hockey League from Monday night was Toronto. Three Boston one up in Toronto. So that one's going to go back to Boston for game. Seven no game. AM seven necessary in the other Eastern Conference game that we saw on Monday night in Columbus and was the hometown blue jackets once again. Failing only to advance to the second round of the Stanley Cup playoffs Something that they have done every time. They've made the playoffs. They have been one and done on. And this is Washington's opportunity there eleventh shot at the Pittsburgh Penguins in the playoffs. And would you believe that. Just one of the verse ten occasions. It's The Washington capitals managed to get past the Pittsburgh Penguins in hockey and We're GONNA get another chance to sit and we'll see who ends up WHO has a plan for the Eastern Conference in the NHL wind up seeing who plays for the Western turn conference in the NHL but seven of the final eight spots are spoken for? You'll have the predators at the jets. Let's in one of your western conference semifinals on the other side. You'll get Vegas and San Jose very regional match up or regional. When you're going to get with Winnipeg and Nashville However we got rid of Colorado we got rid of the Minnesota while we got rid of the Los Angeles kings we got rid of the other Los Angeles teams or of the Anaheim ducks? So sharks night's second round everybody's GonNa be nights in that series. Everybody likes the good story. And I'm told that I'm supposed to bring this to air to Say that the historical Cap Vegas does not existence for its to go almost political almost war with this whole thing and I would look at Voss Vegas Golden Old Nights as the United States of America. Three out late yeah. That was late to the game. One of the last to arrive at the table but just showed up. It started dominating. And that is exactly how I would describe the Las Vegas Golden Knights in their inaugural season in the National Hockey Gi League. They might just be the best. We have gone from thirty to thirty one and added one. That was better than the existing thirty the about that. I mean think about how long it's taken the thrashers slash jets franchise to grow into a competitive. Your weight assigned dusted Boston right after he won the Stanley Cup of Chicago in twenty tax and this is probably one of their better themes national not has to be forgotten about advanced to the finals. A year ago I thought they gave Pittsburgh better shot that we saw from San Jose. Hey the year before a team that we saw. Because we we've been seeing Pittsburgh you know we're not getting into the Stanley Cup final and a team. That is every bit as good. As is there record every bit as good as their number one seating. They took down the New Jersey devils in the opening round. They wait for the winter of game. Seven between Boston Austin and Toronto and Ronald Replay with house. Money if they hit that point Boston it will be written up as a huge it just appointment. They Columbus the way that they started. You'll it's going to be asked disappointing but not not quite on a level that we you would say goodbye to the Boston Bruins if they do not advanced lay the Tampa Bay lightning in the next round cavs pads van. Pets are GONNA be favored. I don't have uh I don't have anything scientific other than I. Just think that it's time for Washington to go get off the pot quite frankly you're going to do anything. Alexander Ovechkin you gotta do. It now should do it soon. Then Nashville Asheville in Vegas. That would be my preferred matchup You know I'd be rude. Works Rondo in the east even though the caps are might beaver Toronto than get past Boston because they got a whole different challenge Tampa Bay. I don't think that it's doable. I was a better chance of Washington upsets the penguins. They are upset. It's just a mental upset. At this point that Gerardo upsetting Tampa Bay. I Boston's have bigger series but I picked Tampa Bay and that one too. So I've got Tampa Bay now if they get the caps. I think that they would feel a huge. Each favors did on their way but if they end up getting you know they ended up getting offense. I did the pants half again. The psychological advantage would have a psychological ecological advantage all the way to the Stanley Cup final. And then I just think it depends on who you play. Maybe maybe four would be a as Taken by the chances matchup of this former team I like this would be the x factor. There the one that you probably trust the least to have that fire national gets back to the final. I like their chances. I think that they that they can learn from their for steaks from a year ago yet. Spitzberg you're facing your face the same goal. He didn't play for you that much in the in the final year ago other than that. I mean I don't really care what happens to the jets and the sharks finals a little less science stories. Oh Marge in. The western Western Conference playoffs that there will be a cool exciting thing for about four minutes. And then you're GONNA get sick of it and you're GONNA get sick of it really fast because you don't let only Saturday live does a worse job of than An. ESPN is being dead horse. And I feel that I would most definitely wrote it. Even though proxies not their primary coverage there. I don't know there there're are. There are potential rematches. Their supervisor rematch. Is that both Vol Pittsburgh. The jets would be something new and exciting the presence. Abi Something New Unexciting Vegas regardless. Do They Vase Ron Vegas Toronto's the most intriguing finals I think that if Washington more to get their play Vegas I think it'd be really fifty fifty. I think that he wanted to Washington capitals to be the Washington generals. and Ed. I gotTa Tell You you know when you expect something in that market the exact opposite thing will happen at the nats to run away. Would things the mets are gonNA show up. Expect the Redskins to be really great with Robert from third kirk cousins. Your insurance policy is the better answer in the ad at the first real opportunity to move on from him is exactly what the redskins ended up doing. The bullets the bullet slash reserves. I suppose the names allies still referring to the wizards as the bullets. I like referring to the Los Angeles chargers as the California chargers. I don't know what else I like. Do it to do things that stick out. I don't even have any colorful nicknames for the Baltimore Football Team. NFC West Vance. You know nine in San Diego but chargers fans readers fans chiefs fans. You know we all have your affectionate name for that team that plays in Colorado. Oh they've all the dog goes and I'm sure you know the shafts. I'm not sure what the charges are called charges day. Wade how how much would blush you. There is amongst arrival rivalries across the rest of that division. Yeah I've heard the called the bolts but you know there's gotta be some something about like power outages that that that applies to that football ball team because he'll save a few moments with already schottenheimer. Maybe Damn foulds had a motor back in his time. But that that's that's it's been a franchise that hasn't done very much of anything the city that hasn't done very much of anything. Stand on freeze was the quarterback for the San Diego chargers where they got drilled by Montana. Montana's under study in the Super Bowl. And I know that that under study was Steve Young. A yeah very respected me in the game. But you're talking you're talking about. I believe a sweep against the Detroit Tigers. I in one thousand nine hundred eighty four. Have the padres ever even WANNA world series game because I believe they were swept by Detroit in eighty four and then again by the Yankees Skis in one thousand nine hundred ninety eight so you know. That's a talented. This really what nothing I think that the chargers one like an AFL AFL championship. And and do we those. We count those on the same hand that we count our raw Aba and Oh what other kind of marginalized marginalized championships are out there. You'll Pacific Coast League championships. I think they're on the same level. And Yeah you you know you throw that back in my face. Jason you can marginalize the Cleveland browns. You know they've eight league titles but four of them came before the joked over to the NFL because they play this all American American football conference from nineteen forty six to nineteen forty nine where they were by the way the only champions of that League or that that conference you know for for the length of its existence other are some lesser leagues. In the I you know. I don't take as much exception to these Japanese. He's lawyers coming over from inferior league spite the fact that they played to an older age in that highest level of professional overseas You you know we don't we don't take it away from the European players that come over after a professional career sometimes before they're even eligible drafted to the NBA. Because as you know we don't have the work laws in Europe that we do in the United States where you basically after being adult to play professional sports outside of figure skating. Golf breath tennis so Just crazy time on the sports calendar. Don't by the way you know only two more cups three cups we haven't NFL draft so well a lot of questions answered. We know who's playing where but we don't know who's going to be necessarily on what the teams from the college ranks going into the two thousand eighteen. NFL sees all right. We're GONNA have a little the different and our two on this particular program where talked about the the best. The Denver sports up there did not go to the NHL playoff off. Game that Where we say good night to the two thousand seventeen eighteen Colorado avalanche but definitely get a feel for the atmosphere up there? We'll focus on Denver in our our two but until then we all one final segments. Wrap up the hour. My Name's Jeff Rich. This is sports overnight. America we'll be right back. Okay but burch stick Ulama keeps the play outside long restored a fucking for prostate. Take three three cows. The offense adult joined by Smith. I sell looking long go John. 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Two eight hundred two to three. Oh nine nine two. ooh That's eight hundred two two three zero nine nine two three pass. Go back to class outside the post. Draw them with a dry watson gets it. He told Red You're listening to sports overnight. AMERICA WITH JEFF RICH everybody welcome back. It is sports overnight America. Uh on a night that soccer team budget stick it into the second round of the Stanley Cup playoffs and we saw some series that are going they definitely go in a certain direction unless the unthinkable happens in sports is always open to the chaos. And it's been a little liberty chaos when Ed o'bannon the former. Ucla player brought this lawsuit for player. likenesses being used and Long Story Short. We haven't had a College Basketball Game since twenty ten in college football game since two thousand twelve because You know inevitably what happened was was once we determine that we need to pay college athletes for the use of their likeness. We just decided not to make that video game anymore so nobody gains anything back back. The gaming community lose out on its college football games every year You know I still enjoy playing. NC The march madness twenty ten. And I think that Blake Blake Griffin. The Oklahoma player was on the cover of that game. If that tells you anything about how long ago that was but We do have this This game coming Out In twenty twenty. It's called Gridiron grades and it's going to be fake college football teams which is really what you were playing with. When he had the video game that it just had accurate numbers and rosters? And you know those ratings weren't like mad and where everybody you know every nook and cranny was uncovered. You know we add college linemen that we didn't know anything about slap on them for crosses ratings and and be done with it. So wasn't exact uses of lightness. And I think that the gaming community get shut out in college. Football misses out on a great opportunity to market themselves to a community of maybe fan so wouldn't necessarily be fans without the video game and they don't don't have the video game in the video game that's coming it's going to be very fake and probably going to be a lot less fun and that's exactly what the incident of way and the US circuit courts after all about giving us less. Fun are a lot lighter on the other side. We're talk some Denver. Colorado Sports surprised Seattle X.. Supports town maybe not the greatest college program or sport town out there in the three zero three close. Everyone would back after the break. You're listening to the heartland newsfeed radio network broadcasting live twenty percents and our news. This stream is supported by advertisers and contributions by follow us on facebook twitter and instagram. Welcome welcome to the public news service daily newscast for December nine th two thousand nineteen. I'm Mary Sherman. The FBI is investigating the deadly shooting at Naval Air Station. Pensacola with the presumption that it wasn't act of terrorism are looking very hard at uncovering his motive and I would ask for patients so we can get this right. That's Rachel Rojo special agent in charge of the FBI's Jacksonville field office. The shooter's identified as twenty one year. Old Mohamed Al Shahrani. Rani a second lieutenant in the Royal Saudi Air Force who was a student of naval flight training at the Naval Air Station. He was one of eight hundred fifty two Saudi nationals in the US for military training provided under a security cooperation agreement with Saudi Arabia. Three sailors were killed in the shooting. Friday eight others were injured altering was shot and killed by sheriff's Sheriff's Deputies Democrats on the House. Judiciary Committee released a fifty five page report Saturday on the constitutional grounds for the impeachment of president. Donald trump the report does not. I'd say whether trump should be impeached and said leaving the question to the full House of Representatives to decide. President trump is facing backlash for comments. He made while speaking to the Israeli American council Saturday night the real estate business. Because I know you very well you brutal killers not nice people at all but you have to vote for me have no choice. Did you is Democratic Council of America said. His remarks were deeply offensive and they repeated negative stereotypes that had been used historically to target Jews. Said trump was also essentially suggesting that American Jews should necessarily be supportive of Israel and the government's right wing policies which critics say plays into the dual loyalty cliche often used used to attack us in the US and other countries. The president's stance on immigration is apparently behind and Nativity scene in southern California. That's causing a stir. The display at Clermont United hypothesised church depicts. Jesus Mary Joseph as a family separated at the. US Mexico border now to Minnesota were some local governments are adopting to meet the needs of their immigrant. Immigrant and refugee populations which how seen double digit increases. In Recent Years Mike Mullen reports in Roseville city. Manager Patrick Trudging says they've gone the great lengths to make sure these residents have positive interactions with city hall that include seeking feedback on how to handle notifications on where to park during snow emergencies. oftentimes where it is most impacted or there's no parking options where people don't get the message and get the tickets are multifamily units and oftentimes those house immigrant populations and so we did some very purposeful engagement in certain apartment buildings and literally dropped off door hangers at each unit in three different languages. Trojan trudging says a challenge is trying to convey that city hall wants to be helpful when many immigrants are coming from countries where there are major barriers to trusting government in addition to outreach Roseville working with the League of Minnesota cities in a national program to train municipalities on how to advance racial equity through local government. This is p. n. s. the CDC is named the vaping brand most commonly linked to hospitalizations. Most of the nearly twenty three hundred people who've suffered lung damage had liquids that contain thc. He h see the part of marijuana that induces a High Dank vapes was the brand used by fifty six percent of the hospitalize patients nationwide other products named the list from the CDC Work Tko Smart Cart and Rove meanwhile Kentucky School districts trying to stem the tide of vaping. That's not only harmful to the health of their middle and high school students but also draining resources. Nadia Ramleh Gone Explains Bullet County School. Superintendent Jesse Bacon recently announced that his district trick is suing e cigarette companies over there targeted marketing to young people. We're not using district funds to pursue. This is all on the backs of the attorneys that have agreed to represent region us so any compensation that the attorneys would be based on any kind of favorable judgment or settlement at the district gets jewel the most popular e cigarette manufacturer remains. It's marketing was geared toward people who already were smokers. Last week Fayette County Public Schools Board unanimously voted to sue jewel and other companies as for sparking what it called an epidemic of nicotine addiction among students in the Commonwealth a new study reveals that young people who use marijuana frequently are more than twice as likely to they have a stroke. Compared with those who don't use the drug at all a recent second study funded between marijuana use and an increased risk of heart rhythm problems and young adults not much scientific information exists on health risks cannabis use according to Stanford University. Dr Robert Harrington who's president of the American Heart Association if someone's buying marijuana in off the street and there's no way of determining whether it's lace with PCP or cocaine or any other stimulant researchers found that young people who use marijuana more than ten days a month but who did not use tobacco products were nearly two and a half times more likely to have a stroke than people who did not use marijuana Montana. Ratepayers are rallying today against northwestern northwestern energies twenty year plan to Invest Heavily in fossil fuels. We get the story from Eric. Take it off. The Public Service Commission holds to public hearings today on on northwestern energy's resource procurement plan which includes its intention to run the coal strip coal plant through twenty forty two and build four natural gas plants. It it doesn't include any investments in renewable energy sources. Jeff Smith Co chairs the Climate Action Group. Three Fifty Montana he notes utility companies vice-president recently only said all of coal strips units would be retired within a decade. So which is is Coal Strip plant GonNa be open until twenty forty two. Who is the vice president? Correct in saying that is going to close down within the decade. That's a big issue. Most of Coal Strips owners utilities in Idaho Oregon and Washington are pulling Out or predict they'll stop relying on the plant within the next eight years. I'm Mary Sherman for Public News Service member and listener supported and online public news service DOT org another four Sports City in the world of North American sports where we tend to focus on football baseball basketball and hockey and in and some of the major college sports. But you get into golf tennis and all those other things. But we don't really think unless you've unless you're the state of Georgia Jay and you have Augusta unless you got Torrey Pines you know we don't really think of the places you know. Unless is your a birthplace for most bull athletes in your sport and I don't think it even with with the likes of Phil Mickelson being not from Arizona but an Arizona State graduate. I do the show for you. Each and every every Monday through Thursday live from ten PM until Midnight Pacific Time and we talk about anything and everything under the Sun I've is you know I came up in Cleveland. Ohio so I focus on that angle. You know I can only give you my own angle when it comes to the world of sports but I believe that I have enough of a bird's eye view that I'm not pigeonholed into my Cleveland. CORNER OR MY PHOENIX CORNER UP IN PHOENIX. It's two thousand one DENVER FANS I see a lot of Denver teams. I see a lot of the cardinals fans. It's still have their allegiances to the Denver. For broncos Tend to see a lot of broncos fans that were colts fans when Peyton manning made the decision to come over and they missed out on brilliant start to the career of Andrew lucked because they were focused on what was going on with their with their golden boy peyton manning coming out to The Denver Broncos. And it's funny. How the quarterbacks always end up gravitating towards gender from From the colts anyway. Maybe not necessarily from Indianapolis is but you've added the Colorado Avalanche much more successful in Denver than they were in Quebec City. The Denver Nuggets the scored a lot of points. They have a one a whole lot of anything Colorado rockies. They've made some runs they've been in the postseason and Major League baseball but never really a threat at we'll we'll talk about the things that were threats teams that I just came up short in the city of Denver. Keep it close everyone. My name is Jeff Rich and this is the best of Denver on sports overnight America. We'll be right back It it has been said that everyone has a book them but he had the time or the ability to write your book. Maybe you picked up some skills or headlight. Experience that you want to pass on on in the form of a book to help others. Maybe you WANNA leave and autobiography for your family. Or maybe you built a successful business and you want to share your story at Dorrance Publishing Shing Company. We have professional writers who can help. Turn Your Book Idea into a finished manuscript quickly and affordably a dorrance ghost rider can provide as much or as little. 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And we you you know we we base things on what we've seen and what we've seen from the Denver Broncos over the last couple of seasons since Gary Kubiak walked away away from the game Probably for health reasons and Vance. Joseph took over the team starting with the twenty seventeen season. They met a far cry from what they were when they won super bowl. Fifty first of all the quarterback position in Denver. They look to hopefully figure that out with the two thousand eighteen. NFL draft but we will know much about that until they put the helmets shoulder pads on. They lock Mike Horns The week after Labor Day coming up in September coaches with the broncos of course you have Vance Joseph if the former Colorado quarterback back in his home state He's been a very defensive minded head. Coach weather's misnomers Then we get about former players becoming coaches that they can only be successful coaching their own position or their own side of the football. And that has been I. I it's cases that's very true but when you look good head coaches in the NFL. It's not based on the position. They played the position that they coordinated their ability to actually lead and entire tire. NFL football team to You know just to some good places. Denver is not Hattie shortage of great players. Come through their SISTA UP. But it's only been recently in the last twenty years or so. We've seen this team become championship caliber. You know that they were championship game. Caliber for a long time Craig. Morton went to a super bowl lost in Before elway won his fourth time out in the big game he was over three. You know that Tire Orange Fresh Air Tom Jackson the Carl Mecklenburg. 's The sammy minders. The Steve soules three Amigos successful. I don't know how did it go with Late Nineties Championship. Era Denver Bronco receivers but a Rod Spitz named stakes out Shannon Sharpe one of if not the best ed the tight end of all time all right. That's that that's that new Bronco era. You know where they you know. The third their uniforms became a little for more modern. They start wearing the blue jerseys. The PROC Obrigado. The Bronco became more than just the horse flying out of the Mile High Stadium. You know they got a new stadium in two thousand one of course they they want you championships allies stadium but they share it. You know since nineteen ninety-three with the Colorado Rockies rockies Colorado rockies by the way playing in their twenty fifth season in the National League West in Major League Baseball Ninety six they got at the nordiques coming over from Quebec City they were the Colorado Avalanche in by the way right out of the gate the Colorado Avalanche the ninety four ninety five. Th Quebec nordiques the lost the quarterfinals in ninety five and the ninety six they won the Stanley Cup. Same coach different city. Different Different Name on the Jersey laundry changed a little bit. The locale change They WANNA Stanley Cup. In Ninety five ninety six they wanna Stanley Cup in two thousand and two thousand and one but the Denver Broncos were there for very long time it was the BRACCO is in the nuggets for the longest time yet it baseball and yet at the National Hockey League in the mid nineties but and even the broncos. It's worth a team that was were part of the you know the big deal. The you know the the big faction in fact Let's see they. You Louis came over with the merger so in sixty nine they were an AFL team. And in nineteen seventy the DENVER broncos. They went five eight. Eighty one in their first season in the national. Football League led by head coach. Lou Sabe all right Loose save it. Read Miller Miller for a couple of years while they were successful. The aforementioned Craig Morton era the Ad Randy gradisher. I didn't live the era. Dan Reeves was that losing era. He did take that team to the postseason on one. Two three four five six seven eight nine occasions Lost three super bowls. Goals lost the conference championship. Lost Divisional Round Games. Lost Summa lost the wildcard game after a third place. Finish in nineteen eighty-three That was always first year there. Steve Berg I mentioned Craig Morton after John. John elway though a gallon a roth yet. Bryan Greasy yet jake flopper yet Jay Cutler yet kyle Orton. You WanNA play off game with Tim Tebow. Oh y'all want another superball with Pete Manning after elway two and three Manning went one and one as the quarterback act evening super bowl for the Denver. broncos can't get shot is career. He wasn't quite done when the culture ready to move on because they locked into a number one overall draft pick that up being such a sure thing and Andrew Walking Andrew Luck they all at least through the two thousand seventeen season has. I'm an anything but a sure thing. Mike Shanahan was the head coach. That finally won the superbowl for them. He had a backup quarterback Dan Reeves named Gary Kubiak. who was a successful head? Coach won a super bowl with Peyton. Manning this is you know this is a a sport in a city. That may not have been a football town but it was forced into being Four Scher by John. Elway y'all as if you know the Cleveland Angle to this whole thing is that John. elway drove down the field without six minutes to go in the Nineteen eighty-seven Kevin AFC championship and tied the game. Against the Cleveland Browns team that had the beam was ready to go. Play The New York giants in the Super Bowl but Denver all about heartbreak. They broke their own fans hearts for a long time but they broke the hearts of the fans of the clue Brown's throughout the lead eighties and into and the early nineties three AFC championship games between the browns and the broncos three super bowl chips super bowl trips for the Denver Broncos the that result of all that all right. We're GONNA take a quick break here on the other side we'll talk about Colorado rockies. Were the postseason in two thousand seventeen. They could get back in two thousand eighteen overall not the most successful of the expansion franchises. My Name's Jeffrey. This is sports overnight. AMERICA WE'RE TALKING FESTIVAL DENVER. We'll be right back if I were going to have to win a game. One getting the old one game thing of all the quarterbacks eleven through breath I wouldn't want elway simply because in that game I would want to have a guy who was best well-grounded to win the game but Peter his arms or his legs obviously radius. Eighty is my title game. But his leg warmers Payton. So right way if you if you believed I if that's part of your thinking and it is part of mine I would want to win the pain. 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The swing roller now back to sports overnight when at America with Jeff rich all right everybody welcome back and as we know the Colorado rockies have never hoisted that world series trophy but the Colorado rockies camps are good time downtown Denver in that the whole Lodo area been there in a couple of different occasions. Tennessee them play the cubs and the diamondbacks sale games of interest in. Now this particular household but You know I would watch the Colorado rockies play the Los Los Angeles dodgers on a random Tuesday night or Monday night. Or you know whenever I would be able to catch them point each other but we have the rockies. Probably not the team. I'm that I'M GONNA go out of my way to watch them. Play the San Diego Padres by the way You don't see the has been another one of those tough luck doc. Cities in the National League West Could Phoenix there too. I mean it's it's Kinda like Los Angeles San Francisco said to Try Try to be the big bullies on the block when it comes to sports out west You don't see a ton of West Coast Championships. you've never seen the Seattle Mariners win a world series. You've seen the seahawks just one time and recently at that the Portland late in the trailblazers. They were good when they had the long but that was a long time ago. Did over the Sonics. Good the number one when they had a team on number two. It was those forty years ago at this point so your you don't get a lot of success on the west coast outside of those big markets Los Angeles us in San Francisco in San Francisco. You've seen the giants win three times since two thousand ten you've seen the sharks reach the Stanley Cup. A final thought that never quite got dawn. You know the forty niners had their their fair share. You know if if sports vice cope is over the last four years seventy eight eight through two thousand eighteen of the forty niners. You know those Montana teams was bill. Walsh led teams Very dominant they had a raw the giants at a rod as only able to win one world series with that out. LARUSSA MCGUIRE CAN SACO core on. They still did get it done one time. And the Oakland Raiders. You know where the Raiders Ben when they won the championships you know that'll be tougher. And tougher history as did you have to departures from the city of Oakland one departure from the city of Los Angeles but such is life so it's life for the the Bay Area Sports Fans The Los Angeles sports fans. Yet you've got spoiled rotten with the Lakers in the NFL for a long time yet USC FOOTBALL IN COLORADO DENVER. You we have all these division one football programs you have the Air Force Academy in Colorado Springs. You have the buffaloes out there in boulder you have you have the Colorado state in Fort Collins. We don't really have anything in Denver. You got a decent hockey program with you of the Glenn there the panthers the Crimson Gold. So it's a very much a professional sports town and as I mentioned the half the four majors the avalanche in the Nhl they have the rockies a major league baseball. They have the Broncos in the national football league and they have the Denver Nuggets. It gets all the basketball floor I think that we are all stuck in an era of When we think of the Denver Nuggets think of those Rainbow Uniforms that Alex English war back in the day? Dan isil probably the biggest name in nuggets history as far as consistency and what he was able to do as a member of the Denver. Nuggets some other players of note. You had your I got esl and English British David Thompson played there for a lifetime. Yet Byron Back Carmelo Anthony as far as wind. Shears are concerned one of the better players they had. No they had chauncey billups running with Carmelo. Anthony George Karl. The head coach of that team not too long ago and I think that that was a pretty successful missile rod of Denver Nuggets Basketball. Keep in mind with the NBA's not set up to give everybody a chance. You know I said as the Cavalier van that Knows that there's very little history that is worth writing about that Involves the cavaliers does not involve One A six eight small forward from Saint Kitts Saint Mary High School in Akron. Ohio Fat Lever from Arizona State. He played for the nuggets reliable lyle. I'm Bobby Joe. Kelley Matombo was a big part of The big upset in nineteen ninety. Four were the nuggets were in agency and they took down the supersonics who the top seed and I believe. That was George Carlin Supersonics teams so jurist Karl couple ties here with the with the Denver Nuggets Organization We add tie loss and dave roguish. Marcus Camby among their the top twelve players according to basketball haven reference dot com like the current head coach of that team. And it's a team with promise. It's it's a team that that almost ruined itself by putting together a package that included Gary Harris Junior to bring Kyrie irving to that team. I think the Kyrie Irving makes the Denver Nuggets a playoff team. But again you know if you look at the situation in Boston. How much does irving help? The nuggets If they were able to make make the postseason and it senator they were about a half Lynch short you know they beat Minnesota that final game of the season than they are. You know they're losing. I used to rockets rather than the Minnesota Timberwolves in twenty eighteen previously coached by Brian. Shot and go well before that it was George. Carl Carl George. Carlin had to step aside at the big C the cancer thing going on so he stepped away from the scene but a couple of fifty win seasons seasons couple of a row in fact fifty and thirty to fifty four twenty eight fifty three at twenty nine fifty and thirty two in twenty ten twenty eleven but he did have the help of Carmelo Anthony for quite a bit of that run. The nuggets in the past have have been coached by Jeff. pedophilic Dan Essel Mark Dantonio Bernie bickerstaff and again Paul Westhead you had Yet coach Mo therefore while but the nuggets really had a hard time establishing themselves absolves cough western conference that just been tough over the last three decades Denver just one of those also ran teams Recent playoffs offs. All under Carl. So you have to go back to twelve thirteen They lost the other day about out in the first round for years in a row. Under Karl Bilas the Western Conference finals in. Oh eight oh nine to the Lakers. That could have been fun because see Carmelo Lebron final if if we could got Denver and Cleveland there instead we got Los Angeles of and Orlando there and that ended up not being quite as fine. you know if you're the if you're a hockey fan and Colorado yet allowed to be excited about Nathan beginning a great player right now Van discography in going on there in Denver terrible season a year ago finished with the worst record in the league. Go all the way from being worse to being making taking the playoffs so it was a lot easier one unit. That salary cap thing to worry about when you put when you could sign Joe Sakic and Peter Forsberg long-term okay it's been and a little more challenging of lead for the avalanche again. They did make the you know they did get back to the playoffs. You Know Patrick Wa. At example. Another example of a great coaches don't necessarily S.'s are great players. Don't necessarily make great coaches fifty two wins in his first season behind that avalanche bench thirteen fourteen. He would only last the other two seasons being go after finishing thirty nine hundred ninety four in the Fifteenth Sixteenth Bednarz takes over on the twenty point win season in sixteen seventeen and then they went forty three games in the seventeen eighteen campaign to return to the postseason. It was short lived the they ran into the defending Western Conference Champs in the first round. And after that it wasn't it was a particularly pretty okay But there are worse things a losing to that national team Colorado. She was a lot of promise going forward for a lot of promise with a salary. Cap Friendly team going forward and it's a lot like major league. Baseball Alley is these days. You know if you're not a a big market team you get these guys soon as their service type starts they've got to contribute gotta win okay the Colorado Rockies when you get into that a little bit in in the next segment coming up here but You know if I'm looking at Colorado Sports I'm looking at Denver. Sports now provice awesome state. I'm just going to tell you that right now. A lot of promise in the state when it comes to football okay I think they'll what the coach Mac is done with. The football team sets take it over John embree. Colorado football has to be taken seriously and it all. It's it's better number of years since they were dominant in the PAC. Twelve are in the big twelve. Are they've been in the pack twelve. They've made very little boys. They went to conference championship game a few years ago with stateful foul off you know basically a four year starter Abba quarterback position. And that's what you need need. If you're a struggling program to make it through yearly is to give somebody a chance early take their loss and try to put together a a good season or two before you lose these guys to graduate okay. That's that's Colorado sports that's Colorado College sports not necessarily read affecting you know the Denver market. Okay I'm sure that you've got much in Cleveland and Cincinnati. You'RE GONNA have a talent fall Off Graduates and non toxic fans. I don't think it's quite like it is in the Mid West out west ask the rocky mountain region by you know that there is a fouling to festival. The chilly weather is here and the holidays are just around the corner and as the days get shorter it may feel like you have no time to finish those lingering lingering home projects on your to do list. Luckily homeadvisor can give you a hand so you can sit back and enjoy the holiday. Cheer for Minor. 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Let's see a team that was games over five hundred on this as of Denver Nagas youngest in the NBA have beaten the not the best record in the NBA Seattle Supersonics and tumble now back to sports overnight. AMERICA WITH JEFFREY IT TURNS OUT TO BE BIGGER UPSETS. That you're going to ever hear about out of pro sports eight beating a one. It's not unheard of. It's not unprecedented. Of course few things are unprecedented in a day and age when you can have a sixteen McAfee one in the NC double a. tournament that's That's not just a sixteen knack enough awful one. That's like a sixty sixty one sixty two sixty three sixty four SITA team or sixty fourth best team in the tournament beating maybe the best but at least they top four teams so little more likely to happen in hockey and basketball. Aw especially Major League Baseball when we see wildcard teams we. There are world series champions. That have the don't have as much as the division Asian title to their own name as far as regular season accolades are concerned. But it's all about winning that tournament at the end the Colorado rockies. They've been in this tournament four times in their Twenty four previous years of existence and it was Kinda pretty two thousand seven you know. They swept their way through the Division Two series and the League Championship Series Against Division rival Arizona. I believe they beat the Philadelphia the affiliates in the opening round and they swept them out three games to nine they the diamondbacks out four games to none and then they ran into a Boston. Red Sox team that was just red hot coming off awfully come back from being down three one against the Cleveland Indians in the American League Championship. Series two thousand seven and Boston had own vehicle. Neil because that was back when the All Star game counted and give Boston homefield in a lot of red sox fans I recall trying to buy tickets to the the Games in Denver because Boston was just such a needle in Haystack. Opportunity to get tickets course with technology at websites. It'd being being what they were in two thousand seven. A Red Sox fans had problems with the Colorado rockies website as far as buying tickets for that world series but whether they got into the ballpark's parks or not You know wanted to the red sox won at fenway and then three and four They took your business in In in Denver and For the second time in Four Seasons they clinched World Series Championship. The Red Sox did in a nationally ballpark thick that into two thousand thirteen. And this isn't about the red sox's about the rockies in this is about Denver Sports in general here on the sports overnight America program but the Red Sox you know that they swept both of their first two world series that they'd won and played since while I one they want since nineteen eighteen eighteen. I on that. They played in since nineteen eighty six when they came up short against the New York. Mets but they did not come up short against the rockies and it has been in fact the rockies that have struggled in two thousand nine they lost the division series. Three Games to one that that that you know. I don't recall who that was against. I remember the plane wildcard game. Where Matt Holliday still has not touched play? I think that they beat the San Diego padres and in all nine the Philadelphia phillies would have been that team that represented the National League of the world series a year ago. They what down to Phoenix and they lost a thrilling wildcard game You know it's one and done there so either win or you lose and then there are other there are other Playoff appearance would have been back in one thousand nine hundred five their third year in existence and they lost three games to one in the National League Division series series to the eventual world champion Atlanta braves zero so they played at plated mile. I for a few seasons until of course field was ready for them and then they played it cores and they've been there ever since you know The way that the city set up the Pepsi Center. Yeah we're the nuggets and the avalanche play you have mile high at whatever Sponsors paying them that particular year. It's been INVESCO go. It's been sports authority. I I wish I wish I could remember the Lamer ones that they've had sponsor that stadium because it can't be all all he can get a little bit of a chuckle out of some of these ridiculous corporate naming wrongs as the uni watchdog blog would refer to do these corporate stadiums Just kind of kind of look through their Their best players wore wise wins above replacement. Todd Elton batted Flirted with four hundred for about a decade. There I'll one of the better players to play there troy to Lewinsky the giant shortstop up. He was moved once upon a time for. I think it was Jose. Reyes Lewinsky over to the Toronto Bluejays Matt Holliday. was there for a minute. You all as was great They traded him for what they thought was about. A buck fifty on the dollar in two thousand eleven the team for years to the Cleveland Indians in exchange for a lot of hot prospects. That didn't really heat up with Colorado drew pomeranz. Probably the name of note in that deal probably made more of named himself with some other teams. You bothering him as not exactly a great investment for Cleveland took the money and ran to Baltimore after the twenty. Thirteen season. Nolan Airy Nado Charlie Charlie out Blackman Blackman. They've got some players there now and under blood black they look to have a promising future. The problem is they play in the National League. West where diamondbacks are inconveniently heating up and and hitting their stride at the same time that the rockies are. You've got the dodgers that can just buy their way into the need to do not that they have. But you got a lot of competition out there for the Colorado rockies where they could put together a team. That might be good enough to win. The Central Division may be better than the COB is a brewers the cardinals but are just dealing with some neil some power surges. Just windows does coinciding in the nationally West and You know who knows maybe this has happened to Colorado before but again this is a team that in twenty four tries has never been able to win win the nationally West in fact a second place finish in two thousand seven. That was the year that the diamondbacks won their division and the rockies were just red hot down the stretch run something like nineteen of their last twenty one regular season Games When there I seventy in the playoffs and then You know run into a buzz in the Boston. Red Sox for other second place finishes second place in two thousand nine. That's when they were bounced from the LDS. Three Games to one The third place in two thousand seventeen and they were actually seventeen back of the dodgers. The diamondbacks gave dodgers lob. Were chased me in two thousand seventeen but the the rockies were were hot tea there the other fun to watch they've got serviceable pitching. They've got great heading kind of one through nine. I mean even the La- make us even even Chris I on the twenty eighteen roster. You know these are guys that they expect to contribute. And you're not off to the greatest start hovering around five hundred at least through the month of April in the two thousand eighteen campaign. I mean if I'm a Denver Sports Fan I'm I'm I'm really excited about what the avalanche you have on the horizon. I think that the nuggets need Atta player. I don't know how they do that. So maybe I'm not too excited about the nuggets. The the Denver Broncos just because of the brand of football that they bring because they play such good defense thinking they can win you a game any given Sunday they gotta figure out this offense of thing You know they get excited about players. I hope not to see it with case keenum upcoming in the two thousand eighteen season but they get excited about a player after one or two games. Shorter semi me is given interviews. The Scott Van Pelt on Sportscenter as they beat the Dallas cowboys last year drafted Paxton Lynch as you know. They've they've made move after. Move trying to trying to get the right guy there. You know what they do with twenty eighteen draft might be a big deal. Well it might not be what they end up doing on the field. You know in Twenty eight team where you've got Kansas City. That's got a new guy under center there. Your new head coach in Oakland got the California chargers I like to refer to them. That Are Terrible Anthony Lens done done a good job after a terrible start. Two thousand seventeen really any one of those teams can compete for for the division title. I think broncos fans really down on their football team right. Now you'll get really coach Fox and get get Kubiak in there. But there's just as you know since since manning left and since they don't really have a quarterback so sick don't really you know C. J. Anderson good player and everything. I'm sure a nice guy. But that's not the guy that's going to help carry your rookie quarterback or your you know your first time full time starter and add case keenum. I don't think he's been guaranteed the job there but there are. There are definite questions with the quarterback position addition. And you've lost a lot on defense. Von Miller enough. What can you do to surround von Miller? You Owe von Miller talent on the defensive side of the aw these are quite the other. The Denver broncos teams that were great in the late eighties early nineties. But not good enough that we were really good it but not great. They just didn't feature that defensive talent that you had when you had goal you know when you had Championship came later. I mean that's really good players. They're in the Denver system and they proved that running back back. Just be player acts in. Just get them to buy into the system. They had the The zone blocking scheme and we really when you look at the Denver Broncos historically Klay. They've got some offense lineman that are among their top players whether it was Tom nalen erratic radish are on the other side of the ball. You know they've had some great corey. They've had some great secondary health. They've had Champ Bailey. They've had Steve Atwater John. Elway of course where Li all all conversations about Denver broncos football begins and ends. Because he's done it as a front office guy. He's done it on the field. Okay okay you know. Maybe maybe it's expired. Maybe you need a Broncos. Fraum the ELWAY era the Dan Reeves era the Gary Kubiak. Maybe you we need those guys to lead Kerr you know. Maybe that's the you know. Those are the only talented needs to get in there because it is Denver Colorado. It's a tough place to live in the off off season. It's a nice. It's a great city. I L lot fun there on all my visits by Denver Colorado is not San Diego. Go and on that note I duNno I. San Diego doesn't do a better job. Dry Free agents into their organization you are. You could say the same about the the angels Anaheim. You know the Oakland do better. Even though they don't have payroll that they should have some California feel. There is no perfectly to do it. You know sports are real fickle thing and athletes athletes sign with different teams for various reasons. A lot of it comes down to money okay. But it's not always just the money it's gotta be the right situation and the best situation in Denver Colorado right now is probably the one that exists with the Colorado rockies because you get into that tournament and you can win and that's all you got all right we we're gonNA throw it to break. We're back on the other side. WRAP UP THE BEST OF DENVER. My Name's Jeff Rich. This is sports overnight. America it will be right back second goal seven through receivers to the rival by saying those. Why did the left Emmanuel Sanders shifts to the slot left side as osweiler takes the shotgun snap? Sits in the pocket throws right side. And into the end zone touchdown touchdown Thomas on a slant from right to left gets the broncos right back in the game seven yard touchdown and it's twenty seven to fifteen patriots latest twelve. You're listening to sports overnight America When you struggle with credit card bills every month you're not just in debt debt is all around you? I see people every day that are on the brink. They're going to go over the edge in at the bottom is bankruptcy and we pull them back at the debt helpline and we're experts at helping you resolve your debt problems and become free of debt. We can help you pay off your debt and give you one lower monthly payment that you can afford you. You do get to consolidate your payments. 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America program appreciate State Up and listening with us as we're breaking down between the Broncos the avalanche the nuggets and the Colorado Rockies rockies baseball team and let me tell you if I'm putting together a mount rushmore four Denver sports gotTA have elway on it probably got a double up on Broncos and that's not to be disrespectful that anybody on any of the other teams but You know I'm thinking Sacic from the avalanche I'm thinking I can probably Alex English from the Denver Nuggets but I'm thinking I don't need the Denver Nuggets on this thing When you talked about the weight of a what these teams have done for the city I would say? Denver probably carries fifty percent of the sports landscape. So Joe Sakic John Elway Terrell Davis and probably. Todd Helton go on your Denver sports about rushmore and I think the Denver Broncos and the next team to win a championship for the city of Denver. My name it was Jeff. This is Ben Sports overnight. America St Jude. We've got more sports next hour. Here on the sports byline broadcast network in Yeah Where the rubber always meets the road? Actually I'm not even sure. Would that mean to you. Speed Radio Network Live at heart. Antony's feed dot com. This stream is supported by advertisers and contributions tribulations by follow us on facebook twitter and instagram. Welcome to the public news service daily newscasts for December nine th twenty nineteen. I'm Mary Sherman. The FBI is investigating the deadly shooting at Naval Air Station. Pensacola with the presumption that it was an act of terrorism looking very hard at uncovering his motive and I would ask for patients so we can get this right. That's Rachel Rojo special agent in charge of the FBI's Jacksonville field office. The shooter's identified as twenty one year. Old Mohamed Al Shahrani. A second lieutenant in the Royal Saudi Air Force who was a student of naval flight training at the Naval Air Station. He was one of eight hundred fifty two Saudi the nationals in the US for military training provided under a security cooperation agreement with Saudi Arabia. Three sailors killed in the shooting. Friday eight others were injured. Alpaca Dirani was shot and killed by Sheriff's Deputies Democrats on the House. Judiciary Committee released to fifty five page report Saturday on the constitutional grounds for the impeachment of president. Donald trump trump. The report does not say whether trump should be impeached and said leaving the question to the full House of Representatives to decide. President trump is facing backlash for comments. He made while speaking speaking to the Israeli American council Saturday night. A lot of your the real estate business because I know you very well you brutal killers not nice people at all but you have to vote for him. You have no choice did you. Democrat Council of America said. 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Says they've gone to great lengths to make sure these residents have positive interactions with city hall that includes seeking feedback on how to handle notifications on where to park during snow emergencies. oftentimes where it is most impacted where there's no parking options or people don't get the message and get the tickets around multifamily units and oftentimes. Sometimes the listener house immigrant populations so we did some very purposeful engagement in certain apartment buildings and literally dropped off door hangers and each unit in three different languages. DRUDGE and says challenge is trying to convey that city hall wants to be helpful when many immigrants are coming from countries where there major barriers to trusting government it. In addition outreach Roseville is working with the League Minnesota cities in a national program to train municipalities on how to advance racial equity through local government. This is appea-. 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The DOT org bad because already sourcing. I will be talking about a couple of games. And of course whatever mark says as being the world's worst handicapper we'd go the other way already and I but mark snotty or he'll be back next week I guarantee and again you can email us if something I say might irritate. Your somebody says something. That irritates you at sports. Fred Ed are. We Agree Sports Fred at. AOL Dot Com Sports Fred at AOL DOT com. I used to open my shows by saying The host Oh sports world is crazy and sometimes the whole world is crazy when it did a political show. Well the whole world is crazy and Matteo y Michael Vick the NFL honoring him giving him team Captaincy of the pro bowl. One of the four team captains. That's Michael Vick Doc. who Enjoyed watching dogs. Kill one another now. He went to jail and people might say well. He's paid his parents. He's paid his dues to society. Yeah but the. NFL doesn't have to honor. Really know beyond belief saw something real sports last month. The fifty two dogs that remain when when the federal officials showed up in Virginia to take Michael into custody and take the dogs into custody and he treated the dogs. Looks like they were dogs. Not like they were real important. Live canines who gives us all a great great deal of fun. So Michael Vick should not be captain on the pro bowl coming up next month. The gray disagree email sports fred at AOL Dot Com Sports Fred at a calm now the big story in Sports Tim Ryan Color commentator for the San Francisco Forty niners in big trouble last week. AAC doing the game. He said that. Amar Jackson is a little bit has a little bit easier because he's a dark skinned and it's easier to hide the ball now. The forty forty nine or suspended him the whole world's crazy his teammate and the forty niners came to his side and said Hey. This isn't right but the forty niners suspended suspended for this week's game against the saints again. The whole world's crazy. I don't think he meant anything by it. He just said something that he shouldn't have said and in a pool correct world you get in trouble for that. Could be the last word on radio but I think for Nas- went to four anyways Already source up next right here from Galaxy sports right here on sports. What's overnight America? Email a sports radio DOT com back with more right after this kid. We're late twenty. The car won't start on. The dog sat on my science project. Life can be stressful but getting life insurance shouldn't be that's why there's ethos. Ethos is a modern kind of life insurance that superfast incredibly affordable and very uncomplicated at ethos dot com there no medical exams for policies covering under a million dollars no hours of paperwork or meetings with pushy representatives. 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Save an average of seventeen percents on car insurance when you bundle home and auto through Progressive Progressive Casualty Insurance Company affiliates and other ensures not available in all states or situations Welcome back everybody. It is sports overnight. America Yours Truly Fred Wallin. Email us at Sports Fred at AOL. L. Dot Com and marks off mark back next week and of course mark is the world's worst handicapper and later we'll be discussing some games already source of Galaxy Sports and later later we'll be discussing some games with online dot. Ag and Adam Burns the marketing manager and we are brought to you by bet online dot ag and I already source a galaxy sports. Welcome Mcginn to the show. Thank bread great. Great having the opportunity to be with you so I don't know your opinion at all but I open talking about Michael Vick Being honored as a team captain one of the four for the pro bowl next month. I don't know if you agree or disagree but I'd love your opinion. Well you know there are so many great people people out there who have done some wonderful things for the NFL. I'm thinking about Roger. Staubach his teammates thinking about a guy named Warrick. Dunne who builds homes alms for unfortunate. And and and you know economically challenged families. Why wouldn't the NFL honor these type of people people rather than get themselves into another? One of these you know kerfuffle over over a player that you know yeah. He made some mistakes and yes he he went to prison man. There are so many people out there making viable differences in the world. That can be honored. I it just doesn't make any sense to me. Yeah I'm sorry well explain to me why they would even think about that. Well you know the NFL has their own live doing things a lot of times. I wonder if one arm knows what the other arms or you know the New York offices. They just seem to to really lose. Focus and lose touch with what's really happening. I mean look at the Colin Kaepernick situation. I mean to have have come down to a last minute change of ideas and our all these guys that flew in to watch him throw the ball. You know they get moved to another location location. And they didn't get to see him work out you know. That's a great question Fred. Maybe maybe that's where the problem bligh's if the if the leadership level of the national football league and what does he make forty five million a year something like that. Yes yes exactly yes. Well I disagree with Mr Goodell already. Apparently missed disagrees. How about you out? There emailed US sports fred at AOL DOT COM Sports Fred at AOL DOT com all right. The second story we open with the Tim Ryan color commentator for the forty niners. I made a comment last week that it's easier for the Mark Jackson to fool the opposition because he's dark dark skinned and the ball is dark. So I guess easier here and the forty niners actually suspended for Sunday's game versus the saints Listen I it was a ridiculous statement. I don't think he should have been suspended. Many forty niner players agreed with me doesn't make me right or the forty niners right but Or the team right but the teammates right The players what do you think well you know Tim Ryan another. USC Football Player in the middle of the boiling water water. I don't get it you know. I mean Lamar. Jackson is a special talent. Fred we've talked a little bit about you. Know these quarterbacks was a shot and Watson's the cuyler Murray's how they're changing the game with their ability to move. You Know I. I watched the play quarterback he could be an all white or nights in white like sadness and the guy's a great football player so I I don't understand the comment. I don't understand what it was meant to be I don't agree with the comment but then again you know what you get caught saying some things on radio. I've done radio play by play over the years and you know sometimes if you go back listening to your broadcast you go loops and You know one thing that there was about magazines and lay on the coffee table for years and and sometimes broadcasting on radio is the you know the radio disappears. So do you think the forty niners should have suspended him or do you think they went too far. What do you think I would? I would say a one game suspension and maybe a little discussion with the hierarchy and only in the front office. Explain to them that you know whether he thought about Oughta maybe he just came out but you have to. You have to think about what you're saying and maybe not get caught up in the moment. I know Tennessee good I I met him a couple of times. I don't think he has a racist bone in his body but it just came out looking really bad for folks. Aren't I disagree. I don't think he should have been suspended at all but again in a politically correct world. These things happened. Email US sports fred at AOL Dot Com Sports Fred at AOL. L. Dot Com art source. Of course the guy that runs galaxy sports and I've mentioned this million times but No more ESPN the magazine. The sports illustrated every week. And now it's once every three weeks. Sport magazine disappeared in the year. Two thousand but galaxy sports is with the every morning morning. Tell us about Galaxy Sports. How're doing fantastic fred? We've got a couple of different ways to get to us. He can get in touch with me at Your Source S. O. R. C. E. Four Sports G mail DOT COM or galaxy sports dot COM Things are going great. We've got a lot of great. Great people were loyal to us We've got some plans set up for the start of the year we're going to get a little higher profile a little bigger profile and we're looking forward forward to that but we like to. We like to give people an inside. Look at sports from a different geographical location You know a lot of times you you hear what's going on on one side of the country and you don't hear what's going on on the other side of the country and there's so much going on things are happening with such alacrity now it makes a a big difference to be able to to get into an issue like our issues tonight and discussing and see what people think about them and that him around and that's what it's all about. That's that's what makes living in the United States. Great thing freedom of speech for some of us. Yes that's all of us know focusing sports overnight America already source of Galaxy Sports Mark Manzini. You will be back next weekend making his wrong predictions on sports. Let's switch a little bit to Baseball here Zack Wheeler. The mets is no longer of the mets. He's now of the fills gave him a five year contract for over one hundred. The million dollars now already. You are in Pennsylvania. If I'm a mets fan that'd be going nuts and of course the wilpon selling the club to Steve Cohen. Who's got five five hundred million or something like that but anyways Zach Willie left the mets. And you're in Philadelphia. And they're spending the Dole. Joe Girardi the new manager. What do you think I think the phillies are gonNA find themselves in their position? You know the the young the GM they got from the angels pat contact has done a great job over the last three years. I think Joe Girardi is a class. Addition I love their office of wind up. They did need another starter and wheeler could be the guy I had originally heard he was going to the white SOX JERRY REINSDORF hasn't been ballclub in the Al Central. But you don't hundred the eighteen million dollars. He's not even considered one of the top four or five starters in and the game that shows you where the game's going I heard Anthony. Ramdan turned down two one hundred sixty million dollars on an eight year deal with Rizzo and the and the Washington nationals. So maybe that's a good deal in today's world I'm the you mentioned. The nationals owner learner indicated that he cannot resign both Strasbourg Enron And I don't know what's going to happen as far as again if you're nationals Fan you win the thing and now you tear the thing apart and I don't quite understand it. I mean you can't tell me the national didn't make hundreds of millions of dollars last year. So what do you think about learners comments that he cannot resign both of these guys. Okay well you know I gotta be honest with you. I don't think random wants to play in Washington. He's he's a multi talented ballplayer. I'm hearing you know he's from Houston originally. I'm here and he's GonNa probably sign with either the Texas Rangers but now you know who really wants them. The dodgers I mean I heard the dodgers have offered him an amazing contract. You know right about it that your two hundred and seventy five million dollar mark if I was the nationals I would get Strasbourg Rothberg to go with Scherzer in Corbin and take my chances. They're pharmacist is a lotta great athletes. You saw what's so did last year. I mean to me once it gets to be twenty seven twenty eight twenty nine or even a thirty grand on you know you have to you have to. He carefully with these eight year ten year contract. Look at the angels with Albert poop holes a quality ball player but a ten year deal for a guy that was thirty six. Here's all that makes sense breads no have to say no question about that I don't know what's going to happen is for let me just say just before the break I think the dodgers Andrew Friedman will offer just enough for and don't say no. I'll never forget this I'm doing a show can't pc and doing angel pre game thing. Bob Ro and everything and the whole thing and Jackie Autry calls up and then we start talking career. 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EP 18: The Difficult Task of Dealing with a Stalker - A Victim's Story of Tenacity and Strength

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EP 18: The Difficult Task of Dealing with a Stalker - A Victim's Story of Tenacity and Strength

"The safety rules the podcast with incredible stories of survivors experts. Ordinary people doing extraordinary things all with mission to fight the bat. This isn't your ordinary true craft. Podcast this one gives you the tools to live a safe and empowered life fighting crime. One tip a time. Pay kathleen gallagher. Here the safety check and according to the national center for victims of crime. Seven point five million americans are stocked annually but proving the case of stalking is not easy. I know firsthand. Because i was part of passing the first anti-stalking laws in the country victims must prove a laundry list of behavior in order to get their stocker arrested obtaining restraining order. Difficult as well. If you're being stopped you basically need to become your own case manager and work with the police to prove a case of stalking my guest today did just that and was able to get her stalker arrested more than once lenora. Claire was stopped by a man. She met one time. He then began sending her extremely disturbing letters that escalated into graphic rape and death threats that ultimately led to his arrest. I wanted to have nora on the show today to share her story of tenacity and strength in her stock were arrested and her crusade to help other victims as well lenora. It is so great to have you here so your story is amazing so for our listeners and viewers you gotta start from the very beginning. When you're you're in the art studio okay. Go yeah you got it. I'm going to try and talk. Fast like the micro machines before we start. I wanna say how nice it is to be here with. You will be able to talk survivor to survivor. And and honestly. I always say you really were the trailblazer so i can't start without thanking you for for your work right so We're comes for me. My story began. I was sort of its bills embarrassing. Say now but in la. I was sort of an it girl you know i was. I was throwing parties. And i had a lot going on. Right opened up my art galleries very proud moment for me. And i was named one of the la weekly people of the year. I say that not to rest on my laurels. But it's relevant to my story There was a schizophrenic man. I'm sorry excuse defective. He's a combination of schizophrenia. And bipolar and i also want to preface by saying that. I'm not insinuating that all people who struggle with mental illness are dangerous but soccer is in fact dangerous. So it's important to know that but he was back in two thousand eleven he had already been stocking vodka trump in new york. I had no idea this is on. Why would i am living in la. He'd been arrested multiple times restocking avant including. He tried to kill himself in her store. So this all on wait. Wait wait right. When was that what year was that. I think that was two thousand ten. Got it yeah. So here's here's this problem. Person already stalking other people. Stocking girls was high school. Stocking the vodka all out in new york. I don't know any of this. why would i. I opened up my art gallery. Twenty eleven. That's a really wonderful moment for me. A lot of press a lot of wonderful things happening. So i'm on the inside of la weekly this big issue and he jumped bail in new york for the charges and everything lanka. He comes to la. He opens up. the magazine. sees me becomes fixated comes to my art gallery. He's wearing a spacesuit which high test spacesuit like. What do you mean like an astronaut suez like like a halloween like a spacesuit costume. I have a high tolerance for art shenanigans. And i have a lot of like fun. Eccentric types come to my gallery. So i'm like okay. Start us i think county. I don't really know anything. I started talking to him again. His his real name is just mesler. But he's legally had to change to cloud starchaser. Which sort of makes more sense. Why he's got this like so would be your first clue that this person is a bit imbalanced in some way right. Yes but again. I meet all kinds of artists with crazy names so it doesn't immediately red flag because i have all kinds of fun eccentric characters that i made all the time are harmless and wonderful so anyway shows in the gallery and he introduces himself. I can tell right away. He's highly intelligent but off. Something doesn't feel right and he starts telling me. Oh you look like just rabbit. You look like leila from the fifth element. I'm like okay. i i hear that. Sometimes thanks and then he looks to me right in the eye. And i'll never forget that and he says with the most intense way and i'm going to stock you see it's really jarring know who says that's anybody right. No one says that. So i realize his deal is this guy is keeping the outside we kick them out of the gallery. I don't think much of it. Just like okay weird incident. Whatever guys kicked out he leaves. Then i start getting i start telling my friends. And they're sending me you know different articles about him and how i think. The trump said hired bounty hunters to extradite him back in new york. Stand trial eventually goes to rikers island. Where he starts writing me handwritten letters to my gallery so hold on one second. So he was. How did he get back to rikers. What was the bounty hunters because he was out on bail bounty hunters payment retrieved from abroad and back to new york. Wow that's lucky. Well no not really. Because he wasn't held for very long new york has some pretty terrible laws restocking so while he is at rikers very briefly for the crimes towards ivanka. He starts writing these very just weird. They started off just various. Sort of long ramblings. They weren't they didn't start off threatening. They were just bizarre and sending them handwritten to my gallery dislike page after page of just nonsensical whatever and it was kind of thing where it's like okay. This is alarming. But it's not a threat yet. But then as soon as he got out and had access to the internet if very rapidly started to escalate very graphic rape and death threats. And when i say i graph horrifying was he sending these to you. What email account. I mean was he factly senate letters. Go ahead at this. At this point. I had closed my art gallery partly because i was reaped out and i started working in television and i had a website so he would send me emails through my website and every social media were on all the social media so i would be getting tweets and instagram and facebook communications for them. Wow yeah so so at what so when you got. Let's go back to when you got that. I yeah weird. Things are adding up. You now know. Who is you now. Know back to rikers and then released. How did you get that information because this is big. This is a big thing about the problem with stocking. Is that the victim. Rarely given any information when the stock gets out of jail or prison. You have no idea where this guy is usually unless you hire private security or a pi. So how did you. How are we able to know that he even got out of rikers right. So you make excellent points and my cases in anomaly for so many reasons. I'm into three percent. A speculate is the stranger shocking. And what makes mine even more unique. Is that my stalker stock celebrities mostly. I'm one of the least known people that he socks so his recorded. I was able to google and find a new york post article or whatever who was Sort of updating. About the case. Right so i had access to information that most people don't normally have so what ended up happening was. This is just sort of timeline. Wise i would say twenty twelve early twenty thirteen. I'm getting these graphic rape rats. I go to lapd northeast division. I show them the very heavily documented. Everything and this person has a long criminal history. So i walk in with the assumption. They're gonna care and the northeast officer at. Lapd tells me to dye my hair and get off the internet. That's their advice. Hold on a minute. You're talking two thousand and thirteen now. Now i'm i didn't realize that because oh yes. We started eight tap the association threat assessment professionals in one thousand nine hundred ninety one when we passed the first it was a state law then and then went onto fedor right so lapd was the first police department to even have a stocking unit. I am blow away and i. that guy's name master. Tm you now. But i'm just taking it back to two thousand thirteen so right. They told me diamond hair. Get off the internet. They also tell me that because he is transient and doesn't have a fixed address. Even though i qualify for a restraining order good luck. serving him. Don't bother you don't know where he is. So i left feeling very dejected and very upset and then just you know what started happening. I would get these regular threatening communications from so at this point. I started becoming more vigilant. I learned how to track ip addresses. And so. I see every day when i get my death rate. What part of the country he was in. So i'd be able to you know sort of evaluate necess- my level of risk for the day and then act appropriately in california was on high alert if he was in hawaii which is a place he was intermittently. I'd be less threatened so then we get into about two years of this which is so weird to say. Just i normalized my death and rape. Brad's like you should never say that. But that is that is what happened. And then in two thousand fifteen he sent my boss a death threat and it was a whole series of death threats and i went back to lapd. And i was met with the same response and now on piss now. Are you kidding me. I am blown away right now. I hear this look. I do hear this all the time even in twenty twenty one. I know that it's still is very difficult to prosecute stockers We still have to be our own case manager. As as i was as you were as we teach our victims right that you have to be proactive. And you have to do this. But i just can't believe that. They were still so archaic back then. Oh that's unacceptable right so as part of my journey. I'm the kind of person. I was as horrified as is you. Are you know you've got. I was horrified to learn this. I think okay. I work in television. This is bullshit so in two thousand fifteen pub with my story. I did a tv show where i connected with rhonda sanders go way back with. And then i started started my journey as being more of an advocate and advocates i started coming up with all kinds of different ideas to improve legislation. I connected with congressman schiff. I started working with him on things all the all. The meanwhile as my story is sort of hitting the media. Nobody's helping. Nobody's doing anything. So in twenty sixteen we started filming. What would turn into a two hour special on forty eight hours. The last hour was all about my case. And we're starting to realize. I'm doing all the work putting together realizing how many victims there are multi stay like i'm realizing compiling everything doing away way. You're realizing that he. Your stocker had been stocking other victims around the country right. Yeah like so many. So many. So i start because what would happen was as as i would do an interview with the media. Different people would see it because they were also going him and contact and then they disclosed to me. What their experience was. So now i'm compiling all of this so as we're as we're filming my forty-eight hours episode without my consent they decided to interview my stalker. I absolutely would hurt people who know quality apologies but can kill people by peres. You kidding me. I'm extremely fucking dangerous person. I'm i'm a god divine powers and yes i will take on my own. Hands does lenora claire. Have a reason to be afraid of you. Bucket person terrify fucking shit out of people. Restraining orders are not legal though is morally justified. Illegal to break that law nor claire wants you to stop sending. Her stuff are the zionist networks. And they've got all these girls that have meat book and framed out to be crazy when i'm really the messiah. People need to learn respect for fear. North claire stories is basically all allies. When she stood there with rape that was a parody film concept. I sent her. If nor player's gonna be zionist at part of the design is to spiracy. We we gotta find a way to get her out of social power can have like women like that fucking up our social matrix man up a little bit you know. Those restraining orders are legal. I will not stop sending them. I will use the power of god to fook destroy. Anyone who posts me. I will not stop will destroy you to try stopping me do die. I will kill them all by not. Stop me from sending messages and you will die. I will not stop that. He clear i do you know and it was interesting too. Because when i had done media prior to that video i had people victim blaming me shaming me saying i was making it up but i just wanted attention even like i've been on tv. That was six years old. If i wanted attention. That's not anything i needed. Create so it kind of shifted the narrative. Wait i just. I have this quote from patty. Hearst she said if you wanna be in movies are if you wanted to be on. Tv or in movies wait tables. Don't get kidnapped. that was kind of thing you know. It's the same thing where yeah. Oh yeah we want us notoriety. Because we forget we have the crazy men after us you know. Yeah it's ridiculous. Glamorous or exciting. We're scared our lives so so anyway. So they ended up interviewing my stalker. They realized just the level of threat. I was under. They bring in crisper honda. Who evaluates they ended up picking up my stocker in utah. This is two thousand sixteen at this point and while he's held a week later trump wins. I always say regardless of how you feel politically that. I wanna stalking lottery. Because i share with his daughter right. So i'm like i'm like a one instant that's instant security instant. You would think so so a week later after the election. I'm i walking this little one. I'm picking up her mess. And i get a phone call. I shit you not it was. Lapd secret service because my stock had actually broken out of a cycle syllabi. They'd put them in and just to sort of circle back to your point about how we're normally not informed because the states don't all work together had my stalker not also stopped. Ivanka trump i would not have known that my stalker had broken out. The joker from batman he literally escaped the site facility. Now where was. Where was that facility. He was in utah. Utah yes it was in utah. He was going to be transferred to nevada. That's how he escaped. So i got this call from secret service. I'm told he's on the run. Of course i'm super terrified thinking he knows i put him in there now at this level of risk with and i also think well vonk is now the first daughter. She's even more exciting to him than me and sure enough a week later. He's caught a block away from trump tower. He's not even supposed to be in the state of new york under his probation terms. So now he's he's going to get some real time and no he doesn't and also i should back up a little bit so during this time vice did an article on me where they called me the erin brockovich of stocking and once that went viral. I started getting people from all over the country. Writing me. And i would teach you know how to obtain a restraining order. A sort of gopher risk minimization. So i'm doing all this advocacy and work with other people trying to help them through their situations like nobody's helping me mine so so my stalker. He's okay so we're trying to timeline. Wise say yes. He got twenty gun he escaped. And how did he get picked back up. he got picked up by secret service by trump tower. That's where he was a block away. Okay row so so then so then you know because new york is terrible laws. He's let out and he comes to. La with the specific purpose of trying to find me not me rate me and kill me. So he comes to la and now. I'm on high alert. I'm terrified. He tried to kidnap my dog from the dog groomer. He starts stalking. Kim kardashian as well start working with her security team thinking oh for sure. Her ex massod's team they're going to get. We're going to be good right scared. They didn't help her in paris when they got that diamond. Stolen but always. Here's here's where i'm going with that. So so twenty seventeen. My soccer is stalking me. He tried to kidnap my dog. He goes to where. I get my eyelashes done. Scaring it's just a really really scary time of horrors. That's right when i just started dating my husband. So i'm like welcome in my life but you know that's that's how it is for us and so what ended up happening was. He writes me because remember. He's very unwell. Most doctors don't do this but mine. Does he writes and he says i know you go to la comecon. I'm gonna go there and kidnap you. What he doesn't know is that. I know the owners comic con so i work with them directly. We hire extra security dress up. As batman and superman did not scare the children and sure enough when he came there with the intention of kidnapping me. We caught him not lapd. We caught him ourselves. Held him down and wait until lapd came to pick them up for the violations of the restraining order. But i had so. We're wait. Wait hold on a second so you were at some point able to get a restraining order. When were you able to get a restraining order or my first. Restraining order was two thousand fifteen. What actually happened. I had a very lucky break. What happened was i had a pending restraining order in. The computer and i was unsure how i was going to serve him but he went to the silicon valley office of the women went to high school with. He announced himself as being there and that he was superman he intended to rape her and when he did that the police were called. He was detained not arrested. They saw my pending restraining order. And they served them so. That was a lucky break for me. So i had i had four thousand. I know because. I did my own discovery myself. Four thousand violations of my restraining order then when people say oh get a restraining order. They don't always know every violation. I i decree. People don't understand that. I had four thousand and i say four thousand terrifying violations right. Hold on one second because i want to clarify that. You bring up a very good point and i get asked this question all the time. The thing about a restraining order well first of all twofold right. Every case is different so like in my case when i moved away and he didn't know where i was anymore. I didn't wanna serve him. Because i didn't want him to know where not to go right so you know. Some cases are different like that but in the grand scheme of restraining orders. The reason that you have to get a restraining order is because in order the unfortunately the way our laws read and they do read different in every state in every county all that. so you. if you're being stalked out there need to do your research and go down to the police station and see how they're stocking laws read. But in general in order to prove a case of stalking you have to prove a laundry list of behavior including felony it including having that restraining order. That's one of many different behaviors that you have to show so you know. It's only a piece of paper. You know very well that no no restraining orders going to keep him away but right but you had it at least you had right correct so right so i had the four thousand violations. I caught him myself. I turned again with tm. You at that point. I still call them myself. Very important thing to note so We delivered him as he was brought in to. Lapd he was then serve. Restraining orders by kim kardashian the entirety of the w emmy which are which is the big for people who don't earn entertainment. that's what are the biggest entertainment agencies that represents actors and everybody And then when of paltrow serving restraining order. I'm unclear but there was some incident with him and her child something where he did something inappropriate or school so this is a problem person so what ended up happening was he. Was there on a million dollars. Bail which is also very unique on my case was high profile. And i'm so grateful they decided to do now. La county. we don't even have bill which is really a whole other started. Lenora you know ryan high right. So he was held on a million dollars bail a year later the day we were set to have the trial. I get there with my victim impact statement. I'm ready to go. I've been waiting at this point like nine years to get to get here five day or finally writing. I write only what happens is the. Da meets me outside and says we decided to take a plea for felony star. Max i was like all the other and they're just like that's what we think is best and we advise you not to give your victim statement because we can't compel a judge to get more time. He's already agreed to felony stalking. Max so we think that if you speak it's just gonna fire him up and i'm just like okay and then california. We have this proposition. Fifty seven. Which it's really i get. Why people voted for it. It was very misleading. The way it's sort of put out to the public is non violent offenders early. Release so you hear that. And you're like okay nonviolent. But you don't understand the crimes that are state considers not violent which includes rape of unconscious person for sodomy human trafficking in stockings. So even though the sentence for felony stalking max california's should be a four year term automatically reduced to two. That's good behavior. that's just immediate. So he served two years I i got married. October of two thousand nineteen. Because i knew he'd be getting out that december he gets out december of two thousand nineteen he refunds. It is making youtube videos about me three days later. I have an ankle monitor on him. One of the things that. I've been trying to advocate for it. So now. Our new district attorney guests on. He's created for the first time in los angeles while the prime victims advisory board. They've chosen nine of us. Around the city. And i'm they're advocating gender-based prime so i'm there for domestic violence sexual assault and stalking. And even though. I'm not really public about it. I've actually experienced free at different times with different people so i'm there to advocate for. Everybody is is being victimized in that way but there's a whole lot. Okay wait wait. I just want to take you back to that for a second. Because you know you and i taught i am not political. I do not care but gas. And what he is. Doing is is destroying. You know our lovely city of los angeles with crime because of what you're saying but what kind of impact like. What are you doing on that advisory board what what kind of action work that's been done. Yeah gascon was forty seven fifty seven. So i don't want to conflate the two there i just wanna write discussion about that and that was that was voted so i understand that. He's a controversial figure. But i will say. I very much admire that. He's brought the sport in because before there was a lot of gate keeping and da's offices and they weren't specifically asking victims. How can we improve services and that's what we're there for like right now working on creating an app for the da's office so people can have access to information that never existed so all of us on the board were there representing different areas of primes. There's a lot of people who have relatives who were homicide. Victims rights were all there as genuine prime survivors. Right who are trying to improve is if you're at the da's office something horrible happened to you right. Aired were there to work at really has nothing to do with gas gone and his policy. We're not there for that. We're there to improve victim services and outreach to our various communities because for example like i have a social media presence right so i can get on my social media and be like hey. Have you ever heard of victims compensation. Did you know you can get five thousand dollars in therapy that you didn't right warren readily you don't have anybody at the da's office that flight reaching the kind of people that i reach. So that's exactly why we're there and it's a really beautiful group and i just hope that wherever people fall politically they see the because we're kind of separate like right that that has nothing to do with politics. It's really trying to help by the way. I just have to tell you something. So when i was kidnapped got well victim restitution money from the government so dude. I have it framed in my office. my life was worth ninety nine dollars. That's like cross the board you know. Here's the way you get. That was back in one thousand nine hundred. Maybe we've gotten a raised. Maybe some victims of gotten arrays since then but ninety nine dollars. That's what they put on. My life never been able to collect mine. Oh i'm one zero dollars the value of of our life but no it really really really is important to have victim advocacy. Because it's so true when you you're exactly right if you're in the da's office something terrible has gone on right and you're in this c- and by the way this is a this was really hard for me at the beginning to understand too because remember it's the state or the city versus the stalker. Not you so you don't and you're you and i are so much alike we know and You know. I wanted to get in there. I wanted to but you're at the mercy of some assistant. Da that's got a stack rape and murder cases on his desk her desk and they just got go in there. Just churning through their day so you're just one little spoken the cog i mean it's it's terrible so the have the victim's advocacy is so great. Because you know it really is important work. Yeah it really is and so. I'm i'm really proud of the board. It's a really. It's a diverse group of people and diverse experiences. And it's just really beautiful that we're able to work with victims services like i think i told you the other day i found out that so. Rda office right. There's like eight eight hundred employees. I think it's it's a huge. It's the biggest in the united states and our victim services department. I can't remember the exact amount. I think it's supposed to have eighty. I think there are under people right now but there wasn't one dedicated expert restocking right. So right so right now trying to trying to get that for us and i. It looks positive. So before this that wouldn't have been a thing and that makes sense because when my cases of the da's office no one told me that victim services existed because there was nobody dedicated us talking to come find me right right. That's it my. I had the same experience that there was nobody to help. The only thing is is right. After i was kidnapped actually i think he was still holding the police at bay on my friend and i was back at the police station trying to give them all this information and they brought in this psychiatrist. That's their police psychiatrist. The guy was like eighty years old smoking a pipe. I kid you not. And i'm just like and he told me how you're feeling out. F- off buddy get that. What the hell jake yetlis. Yeah it was ridiculous better anyway so going back to your stalker. Where is he right now. Yes so he's currently in jail in los angeles for yet again violating my restraining order by probation conditions. He should be getting out. I believe mid-september. I'm sure he'll re-offending go back in. We're not gonna pretend that anything else keeps doing things going back. And this is the revolving door that i look with. It's it's good at least now that you have some traction in the criminal world at least he has a record. At least you can bring it up now. And and they can see the whole history. So it's terrible that you have to live you know because the thing about soccer's is that honestly truly the behavior is non-curable and you know. Sometimes people lose interest. Sometimes it was more of a domestic violence stalking so kind of fades. But but the truth to you know sociopath schizophrenic mentally ill stalkers. It's tough because as a victim. You never really know if that person is going to show up. You just always have to live that way. But you have learned. And i have learned how to build that perimeter of safety around you virtually and physically and you know the drill now so as soon as you know something happens. You're in you know that mode where you're going to go down and you're going again. Approached the law enforcement and get him picked up off the street which is really myself as i have. Yeah exactly or get your own your dan but you and i are both of us. Were very lucky in our in our situations but we know of millions of people out there. That don't have our tennis not that. But you know what i mean. It's it's just very hard hyphen vigilance. It's hard and it's and you. And i we have so much privilege and we have to always say that too. There's a lot of people that are coming with with a lot less and we have to really realistic about how it is for them. Yeah it's terrible. That's why like on my website my books and you the more information we can get out there to victims of all walks of life the better so that they actually have the tools to help themselves if they are being stocked. So the more we talk about this. I think it's the better so tell me about well. Let me ask you this. how do you live. I always said when When my stockbroker was in prison or in jail you know the billions of violation is a restraining orders that he did over the years. You know as a stocking victim. That's the only time that you truly feel like you can breathe right. And i remember your wedding. Unfortunately i threw out my back. And i couldn't go to your beautiful darn it but but i know that that was a sense of peace that you could enjoy your wedding and peace because you knew he was behind bars but now how do you feel i mean. How do you live honestly. Yeah i mean the truth. Is i've done all the things as far as asian for myself that i feel is is about as good as it gets but i'm really terrified. He's gonna kill somebody else. That is not an easy way to live. You know so. I constantly have had that feeling and do whatever i can to put him away as frequently as possible. But that is a very scary thing because i can control my behavior and protect myself but not that cute girl working at starbucks stayed on like. I don't know how to protect somebody in the future other than doing this. There's a lot of things that i always tell. People to do is show them how to wipe their address off the internet. That's a really important people don't realize for a whole dollar. I can find out everything about you if you own. If you own property you know put it in a trust. Not in your name. Otherwise it's public record and not always easy to find as well you know. There's there's a lot of risk minimization. I sort of i sort of say it's like wearing a condom. It's it's not a one hundred percent foolproof but sure as hell increases your odds of being safer and all the sort of layers as you say. A building protection does matter. We're both here. We're both proof of that right Also with my wedding specifically. I wanted because a lot of just like prime survivors follow you. They follow me as well. And i wanted them to see that you deserve a happy ending right like we are not a product of the worst thing that's happened to us in our trauma and there's people who will love and accept us and even if we have these situations you know there's there's people it's it's not easy. This is not for everybody but there are people who will stand by us. So i i wanted to sort of broadcast to everybody but star. Is me people talk about that. You know all other ways it impacts our life. I remember jobs. Oh yeah well. I lost roommates. I lost you know. Imagine just like you said i mean. I've had to sit down with boyfriends because my stocker started stalking me in my junior year of college and then kidnapped me. After i got married so i mean you know i went through a couple guys met my now ex husband but anyway so my point is like you have to sit down and have that conversation cell. I just feel like i need to let you know that. I have this psychotic person that comes after me was semi automatic weapons and knives and You know it's it really ruins. Yeah yeah no it really. Does everybody likes the google you before that date. You know that lenora is that why i haven't been dating. Do you think people are googling being going. I don't know. I honestly you know what it's going to get the wrong guys away so good. Filter them out true true. It's i'm sure they google you know but the right guy is going to be like. Oh she's a bad ass. I'm all in okay. I don't work out working on that. Get working on that. So you also are starting. Just tell me what what what you're doing in addition to the victim's advocacy work. Yeah yeah no. For the past ten years. I worked at entertainment. I've been a producer and a casting director and then you know much like yourself. We do all crime shows right and so it's a really unique position when you're both on camera and behind the scenes and for most people don't realize this that most of these true crime shows which are in a sense profiting off of our pain. Not all of them are ethical. Some of them are some them are really wonderful. They treat you well and they help you. Tell your story and give you a platform and others. They're just there to make you cry. Manipulate your feelings you endanger interviewing your weight i i. I was just about to say that i did. I did want to go back to that. At how incredibly careless of forty eight hours to interview your stalker because if anybody knows anything psychology wise you do not promote the stock or you. Do not pull them in like that. It inflames them immediately. In fact i. I did years ago. Donahue which you gotta be my age or older know who he is but anyway they ambushed me. I was on stage. They didn't have my stocker because he was imprisoned but they had some random guy that had been in jail for violation restrain or had been stocking a news anchor and they had he and his attorney on to like you know a complain about the stalking laws. As i'm on here and oh no echo at commercial god i looked at donahue because the guy starts talking me goes oh i live right around like he started talking to me like he knew me and knew where i lived and i looked and i yelled he. He was over here. And i said you'd better get this guy away from me and you better have him. Stop talking to me and donohue comes over. He's he's such a good man. He came over and told the guy to shut the hell up and stay away and after the show. I made them escort them out. And i gave that producer an earful. And that's the thing if you know again we're we're used to being on television. We now and you know we're used to being advocates ourself. But you know it takes standing up for yourself because there's been many shows to that i won't do because they do exploited victims and same thing but so that's what's leading into what you're doing now so keep going right so it's tricky because you know you do. The show is because you want the platform to tell your story and to educate so. You're grateful for it but you're like wait. You don't have to put me in danger while there is a very complicated thing so because i have a foot in both right and advocacy world and entertainment. I decided to create a company. It's called lenora claire consulting and we do sort of three levels of service. The first level of service. I've gotten a bunch of other high profile crime victims. You've done all the shows as well and so for people who aren't innards entertainment. There's a movement right now. They have these things called intimacy coordinators onset when there's like sex scenes to make sure that the actors are treated properly nobody's boundaries or or messed with and it's a really nice thing what i was wondering why the hell they don't have that for victims who were literally have a camera shelvin their face during the most vulnerable moment so the first sort of tier of services as you know i people like us who actually lived it survived it who go and will be onset with the victims making sure everything's okay making sure their boundaries are respected. Make sure if they need a minute that they get that minute and that they're not coerced speaking if they're not comfortable so we've never seen that before and i hope i'm successful. The second level is consulting. You know there's a lot of shows where they talk about crimes and they don't know what the hell they're talking about. So why wouldn't they usually get. They usually get ex law enforcement navy. Seal all that stuff. They don't really go to talk to us right right. Did they give you a paycheck to consult for you. They didn't call me for you. But that's a huge show about softening. I don i would. We would know in this community if they were advising any of us. They're not go rhino. And you're right. They go like. I know the guy who is a consultant. Sp you and he was with the actual new york svn for thirty years. And that's wonderful but that's one side of the story that's not our side of the story so it's consulting and also the other level that's really i'm most excited to do with. This is consulting. What i wanna do is retainer agreements. Production humphries networks where we can. We can make recommendations about content like the easiest example. I have is for those about memory. They had really brutal. Gra- like graphic crime scene photos of the victims. I'm sorry but you don't need that to tell the story. You're just retraumatize if the family is it also desensitize us when we see these graphic depictions of brutality. The stories are enough. We don't need that. So why not have crime victims. Who sort of gave recommendations and say like hey. Why don't we use some trauma inform language here. We could use a trigger warning here. Maybe pull these photos right so consulting with us about how to make everything more ethical. I as i said to you on the phone. We talked about it a little bit. It's kind of like cruelty free eggs. There's right it's just the idea of knowing that everybody involved was treated properly right and that there's not this extra level of growth and then the third level of services where you could you could independently higher on camera experts. So there's like a show about stocking like they would see you on there and go. Oh my god. she's amazing. We'd love to have her speak rather than somebody who graduated from youtube. University doesn't know what the hell they're talking about which we see so often. I'm really excited about it. This nothing like this has ever existed. That's so victim centered and gives us a voice the media because i'm sure as your listeners. No to crime is so hot right now. We're not given for not given the respect that we deserve. Were not being treated properly and so here. I am the sort of basically unions kind of and get us all together and and we've never really done that before also not to mention. I think it's important for all of us survivors. That do media talk and be like you know what we don't like this producer. They treated us poorly so we can all look out for each other because also has lasted i. I can tell a few. No doubt. No doubt thing like i actually love doing doctor ause. He's so sweet. He's so professional. Crew an extreme professional crew totally so for example. If someone asked me. I would say oh. I've done it twice. They've been wonderful green light. But otherwise i would not say that. Yeah exactly well. I just have to say what an incredible story in an incredible journey. You you you have taken and what you've done with this negative. I always this shows about ordinary people doing extraordinary things out of trauma and tragedy and you are a prime prime example of that. So where can people find you. Yes so my name. Lenora claire my website. It's all the social media. Just finding claret everything except my twitter. My twitter got hijacked but doesn't care cares about twitter anymore. We about twitter and then let the consulting website if there's anybody in the industry or does who wants to learn more nor player. Llc dot and all have on my website. I have my podcast page and on this show. We'll have the links to everything was so great having you here today. I really appreciate it. It's been a long time coming so thank you so much. Yeah and thank you again like you say you're you're my. You're my sister survivor. And you you you really you really bolaise that trail. I can't not bring that up. Is it so major. Thank you thanks so much. If you or someone you know is being stalked get help. Go down to your local police station and meet with a detective. Tell them what's going on. Share with them with going on and any evidence. You have bring it down to the station. Contact the stocking resource center there a great resource to find out what you need to do to help. Get your stalker arrested. The number two two four six seven eight seven zero zero again. That's two oh two four six seven eight seven zero zero the stocking resource center till next time.

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"Are you hiring with indeed you can post job in minutes set up screener questions than zero in on your shortlist of qualified candidates using an online dashboard get started today at indeed dot com slash ABC. That's indeed dot com slash ABC. George Stephanopoulos starts right now countdown to Colin. President Trump's former fixer set to pull back the curtain on his time with Trump before three committees. In congress Cohen says he'll tell the truth about Trump after years of lies. He's cooperating again with prosecutors in New York with this new testimony pose a threat to President Trump. Even after Robert Muller completes is investigation that and more with hasn't and tells the chair, Adam Schiff or legal experts, Dan Abrahams, and Alan Dershowitz, and Andrew MacKay, the FBI veteran who's new tell all is drawing fire from Trump, and there's been no nuclear testing, no missiles rockets a second summit with North Korea just days away. But no signs yet that North Korea's ready to give up its nuclear arsenal. We'll a second meeting with Kim Jong on bring real progress. Insight and analysis for our panel experts, including the embassador who negotiated with North Korea Bill Richardson, plus Bernie is back and our two thousand sixteen campaign began the political revolution. Now, it is time to complete that revolution pick. Staying power shocked the political world in two thousand sixteen. His national movement is a fundraising juggernaut McKinney. Stand out in this cycles wide open race for the White House are power house roundtable weighs in on. What's at stake in twenty twenty the issues in play and who's making headway in these early rounds will break down the politics smoke. The spin facts that matter this week. From ABC news. It's this week here. Now, she thanked her George Stephanopoulos. Good morning and welcome to this week. It is a big ahead for the president on two very different fronts tomorrow, he boards Air Force One for Vietnam site of his second some with North Korea's Kim Jong UN who's already on his way. To Henry you see him there in his armored train that's arriving in China yesterday. But just as Trump tries to strike a nuclear deal with Kim Jong UN Michael Cohen. We'll take the Washington spotlight. Three days of hearings on Capitol Hill, including blockbuster public testimony in the house on Wednesday Coen's ler says he's prepared to reveal damning details of his years as Trump's attorney and fixer promising a chilling portrait of the president. It comes as cone continues to cooperate. Prosecutors offering leads into possible corruption of the Trump inaugural and insurance regularities at the Trump organization and that investigation in New York southern district just one of several probes poised to challenge the president well beyond the end of Robert Muller's work, we start with the man leading one of those investigations the chair of the house intelligence committee, Adam Schiff. Congressman schiff. Thank you for joining us. The story. Michael Cohen is gonna peer before your committee behind closed doors on Thursday. What do you hope to learn from him that you don't already know? Well, a great deal of starting with why the false statements before our committee when he first appeared it did they go beyond what he told us about Moscow Trump Tower into other areas as well who would have been aware of the false testimony that it was giving what other light can he shed now that he's cooperating on issues of obstruction of Justice or collusion. What more can you tell us about the Trump Tower New York meeting or any other issues relevant to our investigation. We think he has a lot to offer. How about on the finances of the Trump organization you've suggested that's the new front in your committee's investigation. Oh, this is something George as you know, I've been concerned about for two years. Now, we weren't really permitted to explore it in great detail when they're publicans were running the committee, but we know already and Michael Cohen is pivotal to this the peril of ignoring or observing this red line of the presence, and they Norring the financial issues what we have learned to date about Moscow Trump Tower is chilling. And that is Donald Trump was campaigning for president even when he became the presumptive nominee of the Republican party and was telling the country had no business dealings with Russia. He was privately through his organization seeking the Kremlin's help to make what may have been the most lucrative deal of his life. Even reportedly offering an inducement to Putin to make it happen at the same time talking about removing sanctions on Russia, something very important the Russians that is deeply compromising whether it's criminal or not it as deeply compromising of our national security. So those issues have to be probed, and they. Include money loaded question about the Muller investigation. If it turns out as the president said so many times that he did not collude with the Russians to interfere in the election. But in fact, he was pursuing this Trump Tower at the same time if that's not criminal does Muller. Have we have a responsibility to report it or no he does have a responsibility to report it. And in fact, if you take the position, and I think it's a flawed one. But he take the position that the president cannot be indicted and the only remedy for improper illegal or other conduct is impeachment. Then you cannot withhold that information from congress or essentially, the president has immunity. So that cannot be allowed to be the case Bob or Bill bar has committed in this testimony to making as much of the report public as he can and the regulations allow him to make it all public, and we're going to insist on it becoming public and more than that, George. We're going to insist on the underlying evidence. Because there are certain evidence that is only in the hands of the department of Justice that we can't get any other way. There were searches conducted, for example of Roger stone and Paul Manafort, there's no other way to get the information that was seized except to the department, and we can't tell country fully what happens as, you know, William bar may have quite a different view of what those regulations require. They knew they could allow him to release the entire report. But under Justice part regulations officials have said that if you declined to prosecute someone than the end relying evidence should not be released, but George the department has violated that policy repeatedly and extended, you know, to to great extent over the last two years. In fact, I've had this conversation with rod Rosenstein and others on down at the Justice department as they turned over thousands and thousands of pages of discovery in the Clinton Email investigation. And there was no indictment in that investigation. That this was a new precedent? They were setting and they were going to have to live by this. President whether it was a congress controlled by the Democrats or Republicans. So they're going to have to abide by that. And I think also quite separate apart from the president. They've already said is the intense public need to know here, which I think overrides any other consideration. You see you say you say the just firms can have to live by that precedent? But what if they don't what if they simply say, no, we're not going to release the underlying evidence. What options do you have? Well, we will obviously subpoena. The report we will bring Bob Muller into testify before congress. We will take to court if necessary. And in the end, I think the department understands they're going to have to make this public. I think bar will ultimately understand that as well bar comes into this job with two strikes against him. He applied for the job by demonstrating a bias against them all investigation. Indeed. That's part of the reason he was hired. He's also not been willing to commit to fall on the advice of ethics lawyers. Indeed that was part of the reason he was hired if he were to try to withhold to try to bury any part of this report that will be his legacy, and it will be tarnished legacy. So I think there'll be a mess pressure. Not only on the department, but on the attorney general to be forthcoming you talking about public pressure prepared to take administration to court. Absolutely. We are going to get to the bottom of this. We're gonna share this information with the public. And if the president is serious about all of his claims of exoneration, then he should welcome. The publication of this report. The president said no collision many times as I said, you said many months ago that you've already. Evidence of collusion. We haven't seen that from from Robert Muller. Do you have any evidence at all that the president colluded? Georgia's ample evidence of collusion of the campaign, and it's very much in the public record. And it's everything from what we have seen recently about Paul Manafort meeting with someone linked to Russian intelligence and sharing polling data and not top line data. Not this is why we think Trump is going to win data, but raw data complicated data. Now, we've seen evidence of Roger stone and communication with WikiLeaks. We've seen the president's son having a secret meeting at Trump Tower that was presented to him as part of the Russian government's effort to help the Trump campaign. His acceptance of that help is interesting getting that all of this as evidence of collusion, and there's much much more weather that will amount to a criminal conspiracy that can be proved beyond reasonable doubt. We'll have to wait for Bob Muller to tell us but to. To not see what is plainly in front of us means you you basically don't want to see the evidence of collusion because quite abundant Carson shift. Thanks for your time this morning. Thanks, george. Springer legal panel our chief legal analyst, Dan Abrahams. Also Harvard Law School, professor emeritus. Alan Dershowitz, author of the case against the democratic house, impeaching Trump. And Dan, let me begin with pick up with what I was talking about it with congressman Schiff right there. He says that Bill bar is going to be a tremendous pressure to release whatever he's whatever Muller has reported publicly. It's not clear the bar grease with that. That's right bars. Made it very clear that he's going to release as much as he can. But he has put caveats on that. And the question is going to be for example, how much information in there potentially could be a national security threat. And I think you need to separate out for the the difference between the report itself and the underlying information because you heard congressman shift they're talking about some of the underlying information that's going to be. Harder to get even though it was all released in the Clinton investigation. Correct. Well, look if you remember that the current special counsel law was a response to the Clinton investigation. Meaning there were concerns about how much Bill Clinton investigation talking about the Hillary on sorry. I'm sorry. I was talking with the right response the Bill Clinton investigation. This was a response to that law on the Hillary Clinton investigation. Look, I don't think there's a direct comparison between the Hillary Clinton investigation and a special council investigation. I do think that there is a much stronger argument to say that a special counsel investigation ought to be made public even if there is no prosecution that the decision making process for them that the report should be made public. Even if in typically in the department of Justice, you wouldn't release information related to an investigation that was not process. What's your response to that? Alan. Well, I think that's exactly the issue. Democrats were appropriately furious. I was among them when Komi after saying that he was not going to indict Hillary Clinton then went on to give his own opinion as to her wrongdoing. And the question is is there a difference between Komi who did wrong? Everybody now of knowledge is that and a special counsel? A who has had a broader mandate to investigate? Look, let's be realistic in the end. Everything's gonna come out. There are no secrets in the end. It's all going to come out. And in the end is I've said from day one it would have been so much better. If we had a non-partisan independent commission like they have in England and in Israel, like we had after nine eleven getting to the whole truth in a nonpartisan way the American public's knocking. They're not going to contrast the Republican controlled I'll take your point on on the congress. But brought Ramallo was about as nonpartisan figures. You could've found isn't. He that's the point. Now, that's the point. I think but my point is if his information is not released to the public, and then goes to congress to conduct the investigation. I think there'll be a question of credibility. Look, I think and I've said from day one that President Trump's greatest Mellon vulnerability lies, not with the Muller commission report. But with the southern district of New York and with the New York attorney general's office and with other prosecutorial arms that can look into conduct unrelated to collusion to Russia, but conduct that preceded his presidency. And I think that's where the problems can come up in in the future. This may be just the beginning. The Muller report may be just a roadmap given to congress and given to other prosecutors that will continue these investigations till the end of president. I wanna pick your pick up on that with data. Does appear that we might be having something of a molar strategy in plain sight every indictment. He has lays out in great detail. What he thought happened? Meantime thinks that he thinks may be a bit beyond his scope. He he siphons off to other. Prosecutors. I think Ireland's right that's poses an enormous danger to him these other offices because you can't just say, oh, well, the southern district of New York is out to get me and eastern district of New York is out to get me in Virginia's out to get me, etc. That's a tough argument to make. But when you look at some of the documents that have been filed, for example in the Manafort case, and you talk about the roadmap. You have to ask the question in the big picture. Why so much still redacted, right? Why are they still not allowing the public to see so much related to the Russian investigation? Why isn't Michael Kohn being allowed to testify in public about the Russian? He's only going to be talking about other investing right about ten. Other topics not related to Russians. You have to ask yourself. If there's nothing else that's going to come out. Why are they acting so much Alan that was something? I'm curious eight hundred pages of from Robert Muller yesterday in the Manafort sentencing memo, yet nothing about the underlying things that he may have been lying about his meetings with with with various Russians, and they say the reductions were for ongoing investigations and uncharged individuals that does suggest more to come. Oh, absolutely. I have no doubt about that. I think these reductions are clue to what may be hinted. At look also, I think we are seeing now an effort to tamp down expectations from the Muller report it self. I think we're being told don't expect smoking guns don't expect dynamite. In the report. The report is going to be the beginning of some other investigations coming down the line. So I think there's a combination don't expect too much from the Muller report itself, but the motor report may lead to greater investigations by a variety of other institutions. So this Muller report is not going to Mark the end of the investigation. I think that's the message with hearing, Dan so much of the reporting on the report is is unfounded because they didn't Robert Muller isn't talking. But there has been some rather aggressive background in going on jesting that the report will be an anti-climax. Yeah. I mean, look and the expectation game is. Critical when it comes to public perception. But whether it's a a summary, whether it's a detailed, accounting, don't forget, we already have a lot of information. And I'm not talking just about what congressman Schiff was talking about. I'm talking about the indictments that currently exist. I when people want to know what happened leading up to two thousand sixteen election, you have to start by reading the indictments you have to start by reading the indictments of the Russians and then ask yourself. Okay. Was anyone else connected to them? And that's what they're trying to piece together. Still. That's why when you have Papadopoulos lying Flynn lying about Russia. You've got Manafort lying at cetera. You have to ask yourself. Why are all these people not telling the truth about and the answer may simply be you know, look I wanted to distance myself from it. I didn't want to get in trouble in connection with this thing. But there are still critical questions that are unanswered. There's a ton of redacted material. And I think we're gonna I think we're gonna see some answer. And we're still waiting. For Robert Muller. Let's remember though, right? Remember that indictments different than Ben convictions. And a lot of this is indictments and remember to we're going to see a rebuttal report from the Trump team. So I think the American public should withhold final judgement until they see both reports the Muller report as his first time in the history of America where a defendant or someone who's accused of something gets to write a response report to what an indictment is every criminal defendant in America would love to be able to write their own report about what they say happened. But that's not you're contradicting yourself. This is not just yes, or no, you're saying that special counsel have special obligations to release everything. And if they have a special obligation to release everything then there's an obligation to allow a respond in Alaska precisely point just yes, or no, then you wouldn't need a response. But if you get a long long narrative, then fairness requires a response simul. Dany S releasing boat simultaneous release of both too. So now, so now, basically, right? That's just that's ridiculous. The idea that you have to allow the other side and something like this the opportunity to file a long report in response to prosecute. You don't have to do that. If you just limit yourself to indictment or not indictment. But if you go beyond and you start telling a story the other side of the narrative has to be produced as well. That's required by fairness and deal. Not of love that not in the regulation. Okay. Thank you very much. When we come back, but me come back his new book dry fire from President Trump. Former FBI deputy director, Andrew McCabe next and later the parents round table takes on twenty twenty. We'll be right back. Are you hiring with indeed you can post a job in minutes set up screener questions than zero in on your shortlist of qualified candidates using an online dashboard get started today at indeed dot com slash ABC. That's indeed dot com slash ABC. They do mccabe's made a fool out of himself over the last couple of days, and he really looks to me like sort of a poor man's J. Edgar Hoover as a I think is a disaster. And what he was trying to do is terrible. And he was caught Hamburg proud to we caught him. So we'll see what happens. But he he is a disgraced man. President Trump taken our next guests Andrew McCabe, his new book the threat how the FBI protects America in the age of terror and Trump takes us behind the scenes at the launch of the Muller investigation. Welcome to this week, our poor man's J. Edgar Hoover, I don't even know what that means. You know, it's not the first time that I've had to listen to the president say bizarre and untrue things about me. So it's unfortunate that this is getting a little bit routine. But I will say, you know, I don't think there's anything sad or unfortunate about speaking truth to power and telling the story that you lived in the things you saw and heard and the reasons behind the decisions you made. And that's what I've tried to do with the book. Another man's got a reputation for speaking truth power, Robert Muller, you worked for him at at at the FBI based on what you know. And you heard our previous discussion. Well, what should we expect from Robert Muller at kind of a narrow by the book prosecutor reporting or someone who says he has a broader responsibility to the public. You know, it's a great question. Joy. I think first and foremost what you can expect from Robert Muller is an honest independent assessment of the work that they've done how much detail he chooses to go into to convey to the department of Justice is a great question. I hope they lean on the detailed side. This is not a normal investigation by any evaluation. It's one that I think the department congress, and the public have an enormous interest in finding out just exactly what they it's complicated in so many ways, including the precedent of the Hillary Clinton investigation. You know, the FBI released all that information about her is you heard Anderson say James Comey, criticized for that was that the wrong decision by James Comey. You know, I absolutely agreed with director combs approach at the time. And since I had the benefit of some some reconsideration of those things that we did. And I think I'm pretty clear about it in the book. I think that that decision was not well thought, I think we underestimated the kind of political. Toc city of the environment that we were launching our conclusions into and I think we overestimated our ability and Jim's ability to convince people of the great work that we had it is now a precedent and releasing the entire underlying case file is now a precedent as well. Is it one the FBI should follow in this investigation? I'm not sure that Jim's decision to announce it in July is a precedent. However, I think that it is a very concerning and now recent precedent the volume of information that the F B I turned over to congress in the wake of after the investigation was concluded that is something that concerns me greatly at that time. And I thought, you know, this is a this is a practice that will be hard to step away from you made the decision to investigate the president opened the investigation into the president's come under some criticism this week, including from congressman, Mark meadows. Who says you made a stunning admission wanna to put up his tweet right there where you said that you said it was because of suspicious behavior by the president on intercept source reporting or other secret evidence. Cars meta says that is an abuse of power. I'm not sure what he's referring to there. But I can tell you that the information that was in our hands at the time much of which is publicly known caused us. Great concern the but this was your decision. Correct. This was the recommendation from the investigative team. And it was ultimately my decision to authorize the opening of the case. And I did that because at the time the facts clearly indicated that we had an articulation basis to believe that a crime may have been committed and that a threat to national security might exist. We hadn't concluded that either of those two things had happened. But we were certainly in the place that we needed to investigate both and make the same decision today. Absolutely. You're also planning on filing a civil lawsuit against President Trump. What grounds do you have to sue? And what do you hope to get from it? Well, I can't talk in great detail about the lawsuit. I'll certainly let the pleading speak for themselves. It'll be an action against the department of Justice primarily and challenge challenging the circumstances of my of my firing it, of course. Derives from the inspector general report report that I deeply disagree with a report that was the result of a process that I don't think anyone has ever seen before. I certainly hadn't excuse me. Do you think the president inspired that process? There's no doubt in my mind that the president's clear desire impacted that process. The president is talking about removing me from months before I ever interacted with the inspector general he made his desires perfectly clear on his own Twitter feed of the inspector general delivered that result, Andrew McCabe. Thanks very much. Thank you, George. I wanna make sure that in the years to come the same opportunities that were there for me a kid that grew up in the public schools in Texas can be there for anybody. I'm in this fight because I truly do believe this is our moment. I believe it is time to restore truth and Justice. How about that you see every single day that President Trump is trying to undermine our constitution? I going. President want's gonna be different this time. We're gonna win. Thirds votes year away. But the campaign already in full swing this February. Let's talk about it on a round table. Joined by Chris Christie or ABC news contributor, former governor of New Jersey. Also, look, let me finish Heidi Heitkamp. Former democratic Senator from North Dakota Rachel bay the new congressional reporter for the Washington Post. Welcome to you, Patrick Gaspard presently open society starvation political fair, stricter the Obama White House. Also, former ambassador to South Africa, and always Cusi, honest, Republican strategies, also ABC news contributor Petra. Let me begin with you in the case of Bernie Sanders says it's gonna win this time around a lot of questions seventy seven years old already targeted by the president as a democratic socialist. But twenty four hours into his announcement six million dollars in contributions from that fundraising base six million dollars in right away and another six hundred thousand dollars from people who have pledged to give him every single. It's like the Netflix model of fundraising for presidential campaign. But he's going to have an interesting challenge. This time around I worked on Howard dean's campaign in two thousand and four John Kerry, John Kerry and. Nobody else in the world and early on that contest was a sense that was a battle for the hearts and minds of Democratic Party. But at some point in Iowa New Hampshire, South Carolina early on Democrats decided we don't wanna revolution. We just wanna be George Bush, and we're going to find somebody most electable Bernie Sanders is gonna find this time. People don't want revolution. They wanna be Heidi Heitkamp. I mean, it brings up an interesting clinic thirty centers, his ideas have been adopted by many other candidates, many other de Democrats. But there is that concern that he's going to pull the party too far to the left. Well, I think that couple of things are going to happen. You're going to see people get in who are going to broaden the scope of democratic ideas that are going to be put on the forefront. But to the point of the money money doesn't matter as much as what it used to in my opinion, and when you step back, and you take a look at kind of the record crowds that everybody's enjoying an Iowa. I mean people are coming out because they want to examine each candidate and pick the candidate who in their mind the highest priority is. Who can beat this president money may not matter. But the sign that you've got this movement behind you could it could I disagree with the Senator having gone through the couple of years ago money matters. Because what's going to happen is whoever emerges out of this wind up having a huge target on their back when they start to do. Well, and they have to have the money to answer. And if you don't have the money to answer, you're gonna lose because I love all the characterization of Iowa and New Hampshire voters, especially early as being so discerning, and they wanna come and meet you in person, they wanna meet everybody in person. But they also watch comes in their box of what comes over the TV and the guys like Alex wouldn't have made the fortune. He's bay. If that didn't matter it does will matter at Sanders will matter, but you know, it's a Republican dream that Sanders could actually nominee just jump in real quick and say, it is increasingly the difference between Democrats on Capitol Hill, and these Democrats jumping into twenty two hundred twenty arts becoming increasingly glaring where you see all these candidates supporting Medicare for all the green new deal free college, all these ideas getting corporate money out of politics on Capitol Hill Nancy Pelosi is keeping her which is only rely to get some of her new members as well. There will they're introducing ideas, but they're not going to be voted on the floor. And there's a reason for that. And that's because most Democrats on the hill are free to these ideas. And they think too. Presidential campaign politics would just swamp public policy over the course of the next eighteen months, but they're gonna have to be careful on your back seat. What's happening? And I. The divide in the party, though. President Trump loves the idea of Bernie Sanders front and center, oh, he couldn't be that lucky again could he look the president of CNN critic party going as crazy far left as Republicans did the far right under Obama. And it's a gift. I mean, socialism didn't work for the pilgrims. The first two years half of them died. And now, that's the Democratic Party agenda there. Three democratic primaries to take on Trump and all of them go. There's the establishment of primary with Biden and Clinton publisher Moore signed within the Quakers. You're going to have to be progressive primary with Sanders has the money in the lead. And then you've got comma Harrison Cory Booker for the Obama black primary which one I think comma Harrison is going to succeed in that one. You're gonna see Bernie Sanders maybe cloak. I would bet on Maui. Harris can Grodin beyond. I think she's being paid. She's not big enough. I'd be I'd be careful there. There's no such thing as the Obama black primary. I forget Kamala Harris Harrison, Cory Booker, both extraordinary yards who can appeal to a broad cross-section hash. Think that's right now. You're judging you're judging the Democratic Party ideas by the people who were in. Now what happens when Michael Bennett gets in? What happens when when Brown gets in? What what happens when you when you see Bloomberg get in the mentioned, Joe Biden, you think you're getting I do I think so we'll get in. I think the vice president will feel calling feel in this necessity to bring that gravitas, and I think the minute he gets in the is going to be the recognized from an opening for them. Right. He has name ID lot of democratic voters are sitting there because they don't know the alternative, but the soul of the Democratic Party is rabidly anti Trump and has gone crazy left. It belongs to okay, Joe Cortez. That is. Republican all democratic wordings rally, actually, Alex public there there there are folks who are sitting in Iowa New Hampshire, South Carolina, California, which is an early stay on Super Tuesday. This time who are worried about the education of their children there reaching about healthcare, which is why. Have in Washington DC. Dominate. We're going to we're going to move away from the politics of politics advice. Let's get what's practical here, and what campaigns come down to our candidates. Forget about all the ideology there. The it comes down to get it performs gonna perform you've seen this. I've seen this. I've lived in who's gonna get up there and perform comma, harass, you know, learn this inter first week what she's talking about smoking pot. Listen, it's a to pock went to pox albums hadn't come out till six years after she said, she was in college. And you're shaking your head, Patrick, but let me tell you. She's probably told that story in California a thousand times, and no one ever called her on it government. You run the president you they call you on everything and who's going to perform when the well-turned choice jets. They tell me about. Hoping. When the vice go on time, then when the lights go on there's only two alternatives either shine or you melt, those are the only two alternatives for for presidential candidates. And we're going to see who does what? And I think it's way too early to try to figure out what these folks and when Joe Biden is seen as the front runner, which I think he is he gets in. This is a guy who's run twice and hasn't exactly shines both times, he ram governor. You know thing or two about fanciful tales and think. Patron different than that. But at the end of day, the governor is right that this really is about performance when you showed that clip verba ginning, a George every candidate with the exception of Amy klobuchar started each sentence with I believe I feel they understand that at the end of the day. It's whether or not people can trust their them and their values and their story. Rachel one of the things we've been seeing is that since the government shutdown the prisoners that she had something of a comeback a recently gets approval ratings backup heading towards the mid forties. Not quite there yet. But this whole idea of the emergency going to back front center on Capitol Hill this week, right? No, exactly. I mean, the president thinks that this is a good relection something that he can run on then it's going to help him. And you know, it shows that he's obviously catering to his face. And he's showing that he is putting them front and center, but it's interesting because in doing that he has sort of upended the reelections potentially of other Senate Republicans there are twenty two problems. They don't and a lot of them were privately telling the president pleased. Don't do. This don't do this. This is going to create a terrible precedent. If we have a president Bernie Sanders day if he if he's going to try to do something with the green new deal on his own called emergency. This is a big problem, and we can't have that. But we're already seeing a lot of those same Republicans who privately were telling him don't do this come out and and save basically, they're not going to push back against Republican party. And by the way, if the election were held today against the Democratic Party is running against I think Donald Trump will win by more than he won last time. The Democratic Party is going crazy left. The only thing that has changed. Neither party has changed by the way. Republicans or Democrats is Trump is elected except Trump is now not theory. He's fucked, and it's an impressive record. Shook your admits rows of that fact, but the different forget that happens like, no important, but actually are not known orphaned Whiteman in particularly terms, which I understand in terms our referendum on the incumbent presidential years, our choices and the Democrats are offering a choice of going left. Trump is saying democratic McConnell. Mcconnell is blocking the drunk. That's why you have the primary contests. Alex, let let me just say Trump's choices clear growth and locking the doors at night and security. The Democrats response has not been about either of those. It's only been about the mommy bear party, caregiving nourishing. It's it's like a nineteen fifties sitcom and in that case Harvey. Heart beats the motto their show. I'm I'm not I'm not advocating I'm just telling Trump is a very strong hand. In in a year is going to look like the economy the day, you're wrong. And and the the tax refund issue is real. I know this. I mean, you can say while their taxes were reduced people count on that refund. And now they feel they got short change. They look at economic and business investment that never materialized ho they looked at a package these signature piece. Economic president had a great. Hoping for bad news. I think bad news is predictable in this cycle. I mean, I'm not the only person saying this. I look at look at one of the indicators in in the economy is agriculture. We have record bankruptcies in Dallas counting on that socialism label sticking Chris owner, bring up different point inside the Republican party does seem to be Trump's Republican party right now. Bill weld said he's gonna run against some Larry HOGAN governmental had this to say this week. I was just sworn in a month ago for my second term. I'm I've got a lot of work to do here in Maryland. I would say I'm being approached from a lot of different people. And I guess the best way to put it is. I haven't thrown them out of my office. How real is this idea that significant challenge the president not not real Ellison? I there's probably nobody in American politics news Larry HOGAN, better than I do because I was the guy who night two thousand fourteen when there were no one thought Maryland was winnable and invest two million dollars in their HOGAN. And we got them over the finish line. Larry HOGAN won both times only the second Republican ever to be reelected governor Maryland in history of the state because he's a smart politician. And a smart politician is not based on this fax challenge. Donald Trump in a primary because you guys got eighty percent approval rating among Republicans. And so I think what he's doing is. He's got some issues. He cares about he's gonna use this as a platform to speak out about the issues to try to bring the party little bit back towards where he is. But the idea that Ari, HOGAN and Bill wells Nazeer. And it takes Bill weld seriously. Larry HOGAN would be serious. But he's not my view is he's going to do it. I mean, it seems like it would be it's political suicide yucky that right now. I mean, this is Donald Trump's party still have two years later. Look no further again to the national. Comes out. And he's by the way, very hoping. It'd be with a whole group of people who'd be right up against this emergency declaration for weeks. He totally ignored them. And now they're backing off. This is Trump's party and running against him. Because the question is what does happen with these follow on investigations through our mobile has seen Robert Muller's report. Either Senator or do do you sense any concern? Among your former colleagues on Capitol Hill that if Robert Muller finishes his job and hands it off to them if they're going to be wary of going too, far, I hope so I think they are. I think they realize that that one of the worst things that can happen in my opinion is impeachment. I think that you have to win at the ballot box in order to have a have a real future for this meeting investigating. No, it doesn't mean. No investigating. But it does mean that what do you do with that investigation? All of that information is critical. It's important the public needs to know, you know, I said twenty percent of the public guess what they believe whatever the. President says the next twenty percent will look at this and say, yeah, he doesn't always tell the truth with so what and you. So you've got forty percent who aren't really going to ever care. You're looking at the twenty percent that you you hope you can also now the past is prologue Senator. I remember, you know, the the polling a year before president Nixon resigned. So that fifty percent of American stud that too much media attention being paid to Watergate the polling on the day that he resigned said a quarter of Americans still supported Richard Nixon. So I just you know, I think that your full speed ahead. I think Democrats in congress or absolutely gonna continue these investigations there's there's more than enough fodder. When you consider every institution that dollar Tropez touched has come into being questioned from his cabinet picks. His labor secretary to his foundation that he had there's a thing was that there better be some. They're there if they're going to decide to go down that road. I'm Patrick mounted over there. Patrick, this is a different context now. Yeah. Because when you're getting into a presidential election cycle, people are going to see it as not being necessarily legitimate. But being political even more political when you're going to have all these candidates that they're not going to himself. How does that affect your former colleagues in the southern district right now seem to have the most serious investigation that do not to pick not a bit. They don't care. That's why when we were when I was used turning New Jersey every of the US attorney used to refer to them as the sovereign district of New York. They believe they are sovereign power onto themselves in the southern district. They'll listen to no one they bury listen to the attorney general. So they're going to do whatever they think they need to do. And that's what I've been saying as you know for ten months here. The southern district of New York investigation is monumentally more perilous to the president that Bob Muller ever was or ever will be they have to tour guides George and no restriction on where they can go. That is the last word today give all their nuclear weapon. They will. I think they will. I really believe that he will that do you don't tell you short period of time Yasha. Show t nuking I mean, he's nuking the old place and he's going to start very quickly. I think he's going to start. Now. I'd just like to see ultimately the nuclearization of North Korea. I think we will see that. Ultimately, I have no pressing time schedule President Trump recent expectations there for a second nuclear summit with North Korea that set for Thursday in Vietnam. Let's talk about the risk and the possible rewards of that meeting with our panel of experts, Tom Bossert, former Trump homeland security visor, ABC, news, contributor, Joan pack. Brookings institution. Creates studies chair former C N A analysts and Bill Richardson. Former US ambassador to the UN who has negotiated with North Korean rich. Let me begin with. You saw the president resetting expectations all says a tweet out this morning that ends with denuclearization with a question where question whether that's going to happen. Is it a succ-? Can you have a successful summit without a clear commitment by the North Koreans and actual concrete action to denuclearize? I don't believe. It would be a successful summit unless you had some. Kind of commitment on North Korea's part on denuclearization dismantling inspections missiles nuclear detonations. It seems the president is deflating expectations. And that's concerned the concern because I think what should come out of this summit is a framework for negotiations. My worry Georgia's at this negotiation. This summit may be a dud that instead of concrete progress on what is important nuclearization. It's now shifting from denuclearization arms control to peace, two important steps return of our servicemen. The remains a may be a liaison office may be some kind of continued northsouth cooperation, which is good. I think the president deserves credit for lowering tensions in the region. But in terms of concrete accomplishments, I don't think the summit's going to produce that you've done. Is one possibility. There's also been some concern expressed by the president advisers that he gives away something that he shouldn't give away too soon. Say a former peace declaration and formal decoration and to the Korean war. I think Bill is right. I think there's been a profound shift in talking about peace and normalization with North Korea rather than the nuclear issues, and I think that's really problematic because the whole point of a summit between the two leaders is to see what seat to is to get dismantlement and North Korea to get to completely abandon its nuclear weapons. I think having a peace declaration normalization is fine for tension reduction, but we really have to wonder about how that affects North Korea's actions down the line shoot, there'd be Tom bus. You should there. Be a summit now, given the fact that the prison so NASCAR visor John Bolton says that North Korea hasn't made, you know, followed through on the commitments they made it the first some there's been backpedaling and dishonesty from the last summit, which was a significant watershed moment till today. And at this point the only reason to have that some is for president. Trump to win and gave a clear add reminder. It will be a dud if he comes out and tries to varnish this as a success without any real actionable activity and he kind of freeze or reversible. Gesture superficial gesture on the part of the North Koreans is going to be a little bit of a slap in the face. But if the president then comes out and buys it, whether it's because of domestic political pressure or some other instinct to post a win he's gonna lose the international coalition that he's put together and the strength. He goes in with president other tweet this morning. Jank pacu the president put out he says that North Korea can be an economic powerhouse under Kim Jong UN if they just give up their nuclear weapons almost trying to incentivize them to come further along at this point. He does seem to be banking on the idea that his personal relationship with Kim Jong onto somehow going to yield benefits. Yeah. I think President Trump is making the mistake mirror imaging. So the president is near from your cities a businessman and a real estate mogul. And he's speaking in turn. Terms of as if Kim is another businessman, but came as a dictator in a highly authoritarian of highly authoritarian regime and who needs his nuclear weapons for legitimacy and his own survival. And so yes, North Korea is in the middle of a very strategic environment with the among the second third and eleventh largest economies in the world. But North Korea also sees it's it's location and its economic deprivation a relative to the other countries as a threat to its survival. So how do we make progress? You short short of North Korea getting rid of nuclear weapons testing more time we've seen testing moratoriums in the past what kind of concrete action could we see from North Korea? That would really signify real progress that can be built on youngest, right and so's Tom. My view is that what is concrete progress? One. I've called this a potential done. But we've got to continue talking the relationship hunger, new leaders. No, the relationship that the two leaders. That's good. However, the president should listen to his advisors and his advisors have been I think very specific. When I fear we're gonna lose one ah detailing of all the weapons inventory that North Korea has I think we kind of given up on that. Secondly, that we simply say, okay, you dismantle the young reactor another missile site that they've already done several times that's danger. And if that's the only arms control initiative that they push. And I think lastly, my worry Georgia's that we're going to trade something what the North Koreans really want, which is a peace treaty in exchange for some limited arms control measures. I think what needs to happen is dismantle some weapons. There aren't gonna dismantle all of them freeze intercontinental ballistic missiles that affect your pan and South Korea. Find ways that these are conc. Crete steps timelines verification a framework for negotiations. If it's just a bunch of you know, handshakes, and you're good guy. And we'll meet again, it's it's going to be done. Is there a win win here? Yeah. But it's not gonna happen out of this meeting. So what happened in the last meeting took us back from the brink of war, but the president to presidents agreed to to mutually inconsistent future. Jacobs was normalization between the north and south and the other was denuclearization of the north right now, president moon in the south is suggesting that he give some incentives in terms of money or reduction and sanctions or opening up industrial complexes to the north to induce them into further talks to renew normalize their relationships that would fundamentally undermine everything that President Trump's trying to do with respect to denuclearizing. If you don't force him to Young's point, the north will not get rid of their weapons. So the win win. Here has to be for the president to carry the international goodwill to this meeting. He's not representing United States and come out of this with some series if not threatening additional sanctions that is less today. Thank you all very much. That is all for us today. 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There was an obstruction of Justice by this press. This is about accountability. We'll Democrats now move to impeach and how will the Muller report shape? The twenty twenty race this morning. We're covering all the fallout with White House, counselor Kellyanne Conway and the top democrat. I'm a house intelligence committee, Adam Schiff, plus the latest insight and analysis from our powerhouse roundtable. From ABC news this week here. Now co-anchor Martha Raddatz good morning and welcome to this week. After nearly two years. The molar report has finally been made public giving us all a chance to review the special counsel's findings the president's opinion seems to have changed very little repeating his now familiar refrain of no collusion. No obstruction. But it's not so clear cut Muller's investigation did not find that the Trump campaign conspired or coordinated with Russia to interfere in the twenty sixteen election, but the special counsels team did find a series of contacts between Trump campaign officials and individuals with ties to the Russian government. And the report paints a picture of the president who committed acts that were quote capable of exerting undue influence over lawn. Forcement investigations putting pressure on his White House counsel, the fire rubber mom. Taylor asking former attorney general Jeff Sessions to unrig cruise himself from the Russia investigation and asking the deputy attorney general to mislead the public about why the president fired former FBI director James Comey, but the special counsel concluded Trump's efforts to influence the investigation, quote were mostly unsuccessful largely because the person SU surrounded the president declined to carry out orders or a seed to his requests, the special counsel's findings also detail culture of mistruths at the White House from the top down. The president falsely claiming reports about his administration were fake news. His staff misleading the public multiple times about Comey's firing and the president himself dictating misleading statement to the public about that 2016 Trump Tower meeting now as we brace for what could be a long legal battle over the full report and Congress's. Roll. These key lines could determine what happens next if we had confidence after a thorough investigation of the facts that the president clearly did not commit obstruction of Justice. We wouldn't so state based on the facts, and the applicable legal standards. We are unable to reach that judgment accordingly. While this report does not conclude that the president committed a crime, it also does not exaggerate him for more on all this. We're joined now by counselor to the president Kellyanne Conway, good morning, Kellyanne. Thanks for coming in on an Easter morning. The president says there is total. Vindication. Complete exoneration. No collusion. No obstruction. I wanna start with obstruction. You have seen what the Muller team concluded. And I want to go to that ending line while there this report does not conclude that the president committed a crime it also does not exonerate him. So how does the president called this complete exoneration? They president says that because he's known from the beginning that there was no collusion. There's no criminal conspiracy between the Trump campaign and the Kremlin to try to disrupt and spread disinflation about our elections. And that really was essential premise here. I think even among several use the word collusion in jail in July of two thousand sixteen mainly because the Obama administration knew what Russia was trying to do wanna go back to obstruction of Justice. And what Muller concluded again? This report does not conclude that the president committed a crime. It also does not exonerate has played. That's not really the job of a prosecutor the job over prosecutors to gather evidence to decide whether to indict or to decline to indict they declined to indict the president is not going to jail. He's saying in the White House for five and a half more years why because the because they found no crime no conspiracy. That was essential premise that. Is what everybody including your next. At guest, Adam Schiff said time, and again, dozens of times hundreds of times imprint on Twitter on TV and this. I think there's a couple other things in the mullahs report that are very important not only was obstruction of Justice not found that there was complete compliance. So as the bar as Mr. bar attorney general has also said that the sheer compliance the millions of pages of documents the five hundred witnesses the twenty eight hundred increase the subpoenas on on all of this means at twenty five million dollars a tax payer money. The two years that we've been doing this that they were never interfered earn p did. So they built in a waiver in this. So young will you acknowledge that Mahler explicitly refused to clear the president on ABC's. There is no reason for him to do that. Or not to do that for very simple reason, the central premise here was collusion. And there isn't any and I am really shocked but saying to and. What you were talking about two years. He looked at obstruction and he couldn't climb. He would have because you shareholder. We exonerates him. Yes. From -struction of just yes, I do and the word exoneration was unnecessary in the mullahs report. And I would say inappropriate just like the may ninth two thousand seventeen memo by the newly confirmed ninety four to six deputy -tarian general Mr. Rosen's Steen made Muslims I made clear that that FBI director Jim Komi the summer before should never have gone out and said, we're declined to prosecute Hillary Clinton. You just don't do that either prosecute or you don't you either bringing indictment you don't and in this case, no one named Kushner, Trump anybody I want I want what happened in this report. The president is now calling the report crazy Muller highly conflicted on March twenty six just a few weeks ago. Trump said he thought Muller acted honourably disease. Still think that I certainly do. And I think there's enormous pressure on director Muller and his team. Team to have produced what many many Trump haters, and critics and people who got the election so wrong, we're hoping they would produce which is proof that this election. Never should have happened Martha for two years people denied the electability of Donald Trump and then for two years people denied the election of Donald Trump. And I think there are some people who are way too invested in the outcome here, and should and should emit that they should say that there are partisan. They didn't want him. They never saw him his election coming. So they wanted to be able to say I never saw his election coming because they cheated and they stole the election and they were colluding with Russia. The looks. Let's go back. We talk about the Russian inter because I we're going to talk about the Russian interference. I wanna go through this Muller report Muller sites a series of unsuccessful actions. The president took to try to influence the investigation, including then White House counsel, Don mcken began telling him to have Muller removed in June twenty seventeen and later ask him again to deny that had happened. Here's what the report. Says Mcgann recalled that the president called him at home twice and on both occasions directed him to call Rosenstein and say that Muller had conflicts that precluded him from serving his special counsel, but Gan recalled the president telling him Muller has to go and call me back when you do it in January twenty eighteen the New York Times reported that the president had ordered Mcgann to fire Mueller. And after in the Muller report, it says after the story broke the president through his personal council in to age sought to have again deny that he had been directed to remove the special counsel each time. He was approached Mcgann responded that he would not refute the press accounts because they were accurate in reporting on the president's effort to have the special special counsel removed. But here's what the president said when asked whether he'd ever tried to fire Muller. Have you thought thought about considered leading the dismissal of special counsel examining Bob Mueller do that? You would send you in that direction. I haven't given it any thought I think I've been reading about it from you people say, oh, I'm going to dismiss them. No. I'm not dismissing anybody. And this is what he said when the story came out in the New York Times about Don mcgann's, refusal when ask if he sought to fire, Robert Muller. He said fake news. Folks, fake, news typical New York Times fake news. But that's not true is that the president did try to have the Pressler removed, and it was not fake that is a couple of minutes of one side. So I hope that you'll give me ample time to respond Martha. I've been sitting here patiently and respectfully Martha. This has been a frustrated president about an ill conceived illegitimate investigation from the beginning. And in the Malla report, if you're not just cherry picking a couple of pieces in the mullahs report, you see again, and again, no interference or obstruction of an investigation that the president believed from the beginning. Knew from the beginning has been harping about what the president said he called it fake news. He said he did not try to see said he did not have any effort to remove. That's not true. The report it self says that there was no interference. That is that document says no, I just read to you if modern wanted sorry at the president wanted to firebomb Muller, he would have another. He had the he has the authority to do that. He fired director Komi he could he's hired other people in the White House. If you have it in why did the president say to the press and the public that he got hold on about new moving Muller thinks the whole thing is fake news. He was still need is the mole report fake news. Now, the Muller report clearly shows that rugged report clearly shows that I recall. Recall called Don, Mcgann, it if I if I may respond. The Muller report does say that Russia tried to interfere this election military, fficials people at the highest levels, but quote unsuccessfully to to affect the outcome of the election, which means Donald Trump has been legitimately-elected fairly and squarely and number two the Russian interference the alleged Russian interference election was done with unaided by anybody in the Trump campaign. I thought Donald van telling the truth in the Muller report, Don Mcgann, eight on the job for eighteen months after that. So I think that's very telling because was done Maganto in the truth was auto, man. I was there their conversations in this in this regard. And I will tell you that Don Mcgann, I believe that if he were ever I'm also who said that he would not that you denied that that don't president to while the president never asked me that question I can speak to can speak to that. But let's not miss relieved. The viewer. As to what the Muller reproduce should not compliance you operating with the invest Jani has not even discussed not firing. He has not discussed firing Bob Mueller. Definitely not discuss it with me that I can speak for my conversations with the president. There are other things the mullahs report that don't sound like Donald Trump. He has never been by his side for three straight years. He has never once said to me my candidacy is over even though others were saying it was my presidency is over. So what I'm telling what I want the viewers understand is what is in this report. And what's not in this report? There will be no criminal charges. Brought against President Trump. There will be no criminal charges. Brought against anybody in his family or anybody connected to his campaign that I managed to successful end. If anybody should be outraged today, it's all of us who have spent years of angst and anxiety with people who never saw his election coming trying to put an asterisk no now, we should be concerned about Russian. I do want to talk about Russia. Now, you're gonna get a clear answer on Don Mcgann. Do you believe Don Mcgann when he says? As the president tried to get him to fire. Bob muller. Either leave the president was frustrated about the investigation from the very beginning new. It was conceived. I would remind everybody something get zero coverage which is days before he's answer. That question the end of the question, I can do these in the Muller report. Is telling the truth I'd under low amounts to obstruction of Justice in if it had the Muller would have said, this, do you we've done since I believe that Don Mcgann is an honorable attorney who stayed on the job eighteen months after this alleged incident took place and that if he were being asked to obstruct Justice or violate the constitution or commit a crime helped to commit a crime by the president nights. He wouldn't have stayed. I certainly wouldn't stay the president is rightly frustrated and trying to like everybody else tries to do make an ill conceived illegitimate investigation, that's produced. No collusion. No criminal conspiracy. No indictment. No impeachment of this president. He was trying to make it go away because he says on page sixty one on page sixty one of two people should read it. The president Muller admits that the president is rightly frustrated that he thinks is ill-conceived investigation is going to affect his ability to go for with foreign policy and his domestic agenda. He's been under a cloud from from day one though and John. You have just a few minutes, and I do. Goes to goes to Trump Tower. This is important never bothers to come and meet the president-elect for two months between his election and January six comes through that intelligence briefing and Trump you Jim Comey spends a less minutes of his time telling the president about some unverified dossier about some golden shower nonsense. It's been disproven in the mall report, the buzz. Oh, and let's let's talk about what else whereas novel proven the investigation did not establish that members of the Trump campaign conspired or coordinated with the Russian government in its election interference this that is exactly right in the molar investigation. But at the heart of this investigation was Russia's role in the twenty sixteen election in the mall report was unequivocal about that as well saying the Russian government interfered in the twenty sixteen presidential election and sweeping and systematic fashion the investigation established at the Russian government perceived it would benefit from a Trump presidency and worked to secure that outcome and that the campaign. Expected it would benefit electorally from information stolen and released through Russian efforts. You were campaign chair. Do you accept that? Russia work to help elect Donald Trump. I think they tried to. So does information discord in our democracy, we should never allow that from any foreign government foreign actor. They were also unsuccessful Donald Trump won. We didn't need WikiLeaks. We had Wisconsin he won because he was the better candidate with the better message, and we had a fraction of the personnel. We'd have faction the resources, and we're very smart about deploying our greatest assets, Donald Trump and Mike Pence Martha it's very important that your next guest Adam Schiff to his credit he and the Senator of his state Dianne Feinstein pled with with President Obama to do more about Russian interference. They sent a letter to President Obama September two thousand sixteen your network talked about collusion in July of two thousand sixteen this. We we agree. Image on Dishman shifts about to their credit people were trying to get the Obama administration to be more serious. They dropped the ball completely. Look the other way why? Because the candidate they wanted to win. They thought would win that is a disgrace on our democracy, and it should never happen again. But let me make very clear as campaign manager. I never gave a thought to Russian your fears to Russia helping us I was talking to tweeted some things that came from Russian trolls and in Britain that in vertical, and I was I was contacted by WikiLeaks. Never and never responded. I'm sure the investigators know that and so I want to end here with something Senator won fairly clearly, and he went when we see President Trump get reelected people point to couple things like taxes. Deregulation farm, millions of Tino, she'll media post IT. No, do you know why else will get reelected will look back at this week? And we'll look at this flawed this ill conceived investigation into collusion, which was meant to sound spy lake and do. It's worth a year into the the the investigators use the right word, but most of the people in the meeting the Democratic Party, which sometimes it's difficult to know the dip and the president that's a collusion, but they're all trying to say, well, we don't use that word Adam Schiff, and at least fourteen tweets I saw today constantly on TV collusion collusion. It was meant to sound furtive. It was meant to sound criminal is meant to sound like the president would be frogmarched out of office. People will look back at this week is another reason he got reelected. Mark my words because they spent twenty two months twenty five million dollars in taxpayer dollars constantly beating the drum of collusion. That's why I think that you have many of the twenty twenty candidates and Nancy Pelosi sending hooray themselves saying, we're not talking with this. You have read the report, you will also read reports of lying in the White House and that atmosphere about Komi about other things about the Trump Tower mean Komen you why Komi because he's even liar. Why me I think clemmie Comey was fired for several. First of all Komi himself as admitted that the president has the absolute constitutional authority to find the FBI director. But I will tell you when I went on TV, and there's ensuing days. I relied almost exclusively on the Rosenstein memo from may nineteen thousand seventeen a remarkable document that I had memorized at the time. The name of that document that memo is called restoring the integrity of the FBI. And it goes on to say that Jim comb usurped attorney general Loretta Lynch's power. He should never have done a press conference that the way that he handled the end of the Hilary Clinton Email all on wide, Trump fired Komi substantial evidence indicates that the catalyst for the president's decision to fire Komi was commes unwillingness to publicly state that the president was not personally under investigation, despite the president's repeated requests that Komi make such an announcement. I just want to end here that enough. But by Senator Mitt Romney who also weighed in on this. He released a strong statement Friday about the report, here's what he said. I am sickened at the extent. And pervasiveness of dishonesty and misdirection by individuals in the highest office the land including the president. I am also palled that among other things fellow citizens working in a campaign for president welcomed help from Russia. Senator Romney did say it was good news at the president wasn't charged with a crime. But he does he have a point that this shouldn't be the standard for the highest office in the land campaign that I manage in his last few months, but did not welcome help from Russia. And in fact, I recall getting being offered help for mush it'd be ridiculous. At least two college is for WikiLeaks saying, I think rush deserves an apology release leans of people in this country, including those who have an awful lot of power in this country in particular, political party, many in the media's well who didn't just say, let's them all investigation go on. And let's see what the conclusion is but day after day graphic after graphic Chiron after kyron panel after panel story after story where leading the public to believe that there was collusion. There was concurrent conspiracy. As for Mr. Romney as the junior Senator in Utah who certainly wanted to sit in the Oval Office was told was promised indeed by his overpaid and underwhelming consultants that he would be elected president. I thought that Mr. Romney, Mr. great opportunity. Senator wrong is a great opportunity this weekend to say one very important thing. Which is that he was right in two thousand twelve when he said to the whole world in a debate against them President Barack Obama that the biggest geopolitical foe was Russia. People laughed at in the media. Toward him. He was right about that. And I think that President Obama should have listened to this word in two thousand fourteen when he had ample evidence that Russia was trying to interfere in our democracy narrow elections. So, but instead Senator Romney did what most people do they have to have Trump is a subject that get in the advert and every sentence, whereas he should say look the mullahs report exonerates me Mitt Romney. I was right about Russia China, so dischord I think this is why many people when investigate the estimators now and find out why the Obama administration ignored Russian interference. And how we got that FIS a warrant the phonies audit. Thank you for having me. No full exoneration. No such a no criminal conspiracy. The president and everyone should have a happy Easter happy Passover. Whatever is you that? You celebrate. Thanks very much co in and joining me now democratic congressman Adam Schiff, the chair of the house intelligence committee. Congressman Schiff Kellyanne Conway has said you should resign as committee cherries soom, you will not. But what about the evidence? You just heard her. You of said there is ample and abundant evidence of collusion leaving the very strong impression. There was illegal activity. Will you heard another display of alternate facts? From Kellyanne Conway today where she could not have knowledge that the Russians tried to help the Trump campaign and did provide substantial help to the campaign. But look I've been very clear over the last year year and a half that there is ample evidence of collusion in plain sight. And I use that what very carefully because I also distinguished time and time again between collusion that is acts of corruption that may or may not be criminal and proof of criminal conspiracy. And that is a distinction that Bob Muller made within the first few pages of his report. In fact, every act that I pointed to as evidence of collusion has now been borne out by the report. And and I will also say that with respect to most of those acts involving the meeting of Trump Tower involving the provision of polling data involving the discussions between the national security advisor and the Russian ambassador all these. And so many more Kellyanne Conway and the president United States, call this fake news disputed that these facts were even facts. We were fact you went farther than saying ample evidence you once described to me on this program that the Trump administration's actions related to the Russia probe are quote of a size and scope probably beyond. Watergate. What do you say now? Well, I think it's clear from the report that that's exactly right. The obstruction of Justice in particular in this case is far worse than anything that Richard Nixon did the the the break in by the Russians of the democratic institutions foreign adversary far more significant than the plumbers breaking into the democratic headquarters. So yes, I would say in every way this is more significant than Watergate, and the fact that a candidate for president. And now, a president United States would not only not stand up and resist Russian to fierce on our election. But would welcome it goes well beyond anything Nixon. Did the fact that the president I'd states would take Putin side over zone intelligence agencies go well beyond anything, Richard Nixon did so yes, I think it is for more serious than Watergate on obstruction of Justice based on the information in the report, do you believe the president did obstruct Justice? I do believe that he obstructed Justice. And did so in many ways, and I think that the report points out how the elements of -struction are met in several instances several courses of the president's conduct. What Bob Muller said, and this is obviously directly contrary to what Bill Barr represented to the country is that he felt bound by the office of legal counsel opinion that he could not indict a sitting president. Now, Kellyanne Conway points that is proof of innocence. But it's not Bob Muller made it abundantly clear he felt he could not indict the president the most that he could do was say that the evidence did not exonerate the president. And I think the reason why he did that is because he could not only not indict the president. But I think he also felt that he could not say that the president should be dated because that would be affected me the same thing that would cast the same stigma of the president that the president would be powerless to remove. So I think that's why Bob Muller made that. Nontraditional prosecutorial judgement. He came as close to saying that the evidence of obstruction was evidence of a crime as he could within the department of Justice regulations. And that's I think the point that he was trying to get across that he preserved the evidence for when the president was out of office. And they the also laid out the evidence so that congress could understand and undertake its own responsibility. And congressman Schiff let's turn to impeachment. Senator Elizabeth Warren has tweeted this severity of this misconduct. Demands. That elected officials in both parties set aside, political considerations and do their constitutional duty. That means the how should initiate impeachment proceedings against the president of the United States. You've said unless there's bipartisan support for it. It is a bad idea. But what about that constitutional duty or any precedent that this might set? Well, look, I think Liz warm makes an important point. And that is that the level of evidence in the mole report is serious and damming and in a normal circumstance would be I think without question within the realm of impeachable offenses. We are unfortunately an environment today with the GOP leadership. People like Kevin McCarthy are willing to carry the presence water. No matter how corrupt or an ethical or dishonest. The president's conduct may be and in those kind of circumstances when Mitch McConnell will not stand up to the president either. It means that an impeachment is likely to be unsuccessful. Now, it may be that we undertake an appeasement nonetheless. I think what we're going to have to decide as a caucus is. What is the best thing for the country is that the best thing for the country to take up an impeachment proceeding because to do otherwise sends a message that this conduct is somehow compatible with office. Or is it in the best interests of the country, not to take peach meant that. We know will not be successful in the Senate because the Republican leadership will not do it Studi. That's a very tough question. And I think it's not to make overnight. Just a final question here. Congressman you said the attorney general Bill bar get a grave disservice to the country by misrepresenting significant parts of the Muller report. Congressman Eric swallow your colleague in the commission said bar should resign. Do you think he needs to step down? Look, I think he should have never been confirmed. And I said so at the time, and he absolutely should never have been even considered unless he recused himself from an investigation in which he had such an obvious bias. I not ready to speculate about whether he should resign or not given that that's not going to happen anyway. But the fact of the matter is that Bill bar views himself as the president's lawyer, not the attorney general at the United States of America. And he I think quite deliberately misrepresented in saying that there was no evidence of collusion when that is not what the mole report says when he said there was no obstruction. And that essentially Muller wanted him to make that decision gave the impression Muller did not feel bound by the office of legal counsel opinion that misled the country when he provided his own summary, and we now know that Bob Muller had his own summary. There was nothing preventing Bill Barr from if he wanted to give advance notice of what deport was. Gonna say to give Bob Muller's own words Bill bar instead chose to mislead the country with his own spin spin that was embraced by the president. And I think that history will reflect that Bill bore let the country down when it needed an attorney general of substance. Okay. Thanks very much for joining us this morning, congressman. Up next. Stay VC's, Terry Moran. 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Congress special counsel did not indicate that it purposeless to leave the decision to congress. I hope that was not his view since we don't convene grand juries and conduct criminal investigations for that purpose. But I am told that his reaction to that was that it was by my prerogative as attorney general to make that decision ABC's chief Justice correspondent Pierre Thomas. They're questioning attorney general Bill bar at his press conference before the release of the Muller report on Thursday Pierre joins me now as well. As senior national correspondent, Terry Moran. Good morning to both of you. And let's go right to that question wasn't bars. Prerogative to make that conclusion. One of the one thing that struck me about the press conference. The other day is that VAR views himself as a colleague and appear above moa. He does not have on a pedestal and at the end of the day. His position is at on the attorney general he reports to me was my call to make and Terry you said about a month ago on this program that if Muller did not have evidence to support that the president aided the Russian Russians that's a reckoning for the progressives. And Democrats he has been cleared of conspiracy with the Russians, but does this report leave a clear reckoning for Democrats while I think it does Donald Trump is not going to be removed from office for this whatever the house of representatives does doctor of not going to be frogmarched out of the White House in handcuffs, and the two thousand sixteen election is not going to be reversed by this, and too many Democrats and progressive anybody thinks we're hope stretch the Justice, but even with obstruction of Justice that he did not make a determination Muller. Yes. Still a reckoning a reckoning for Democrats for sure because the because now that hope is dead. And as a result they. They are going to go to the public. As many of the candidates already are with an argument more than don't you hate him too. Don't you don't you want to get rid of them too? And I think that is a positive reckoning for Democrats. This has been an obsession this has been something that has consumed energy political energy in the in the Democratic Party and in the media as well. And I think getting past that it's good for the country and NPR, but there are these other investigations twelve fourteen how ever many investigations are. We know nothing about most of those investigations, do, you know, anything? So we only know about two of them. One involves Michael Cohen the other involved former White House counsel, Greg Craig there are twelve others. And what it proves that? The there will be echoes of the Mueller investigation long after he's a close up shop. It also means that you have the FBI and the Justice department, and we'll have to make more decisions potentially about the president and others and Terry. Finally, I want to talk about the seriousness of this Russian interference. However that is at the heart of this. They did a lot to interfere in that election. It was the most serious and dastardly attack on the American election process in our history. It was hacking of multiple computers. It was the effort to to slant. The election to one as an attack on the count itself. Trying to hack the counting machines to come up with a false result. It was the spread of fake news. All Americans should be United against that. I think one of the disappointments people have with President Trump is that he was so reluctant to acknowledge the obvious and defend the country. And I think there's there are questions about how much President Obama could have done at the time as well. But President Trump spent months I was in Helsinki. I saw him. Do it denying just seconds. We'll briefly at one point the report says that there were fifty nine computers associated with the Democrats. The Russians were rummaging through and that they targeted hundreds of Clinton campaign. Officials and advisers is stunning it was on Davis. And hopefully, we're doing something about that next time and the powerhouse roundtable joins me. Now. ABC news political director Rick Klein NPR White House reporter issue Roscoe Republican strategists in ABC news contributor, Sara Fagin and democratic strategists in ABC news contributor, Stephanie cutter. Welcome everyone happy Easter and Rick. I'm going to start with you. The president is team reclaiming as you've heard complete vindication. Democrats say not so fast, and they want more investigation. Does this leave the country exactly where we were before just completely divided each person hearing what they wanna hear this moment was climactic and anti-climactic at the same time. It's the most extraordinary thing where in the political class at least to say nothing of the public. We don't know yet. But in the political class, I think it's fair to say, no one's mine. Mind was changed about President Trump that doesn't mean that there aren't really serious things that are raised in the Muller report. But it does mean that as a practical political matter this just wasn't a game changer. And I usually the picture the Miller report paints of the west wing, and you heard me talk to Kellyanne Conway about this. It's not really glowing the Washington Post put it this way, the vivid portrait that emerges from Mahler's four hundred and forty eight page report is of a presidency plagued by paranoia, insecurity, and scheming and of an inner circle gripped by fear of Trump's spasms. You cover the White House every day is that the sense, you get well, I think what that report showed in like, very vivid imagery is how this is a White House where you have a president that is often times disconnected from his staff. Oftentimes, you will you'll talk to people, and it's just like we don't know what he's talking about. We don't know what's going on. And then what you see in this. And what I think will have the long term implications. Is this idea that the president tells people to do things, and then they don't necessarily do them and he likes to push boundaries. And that so far he's kind of been confined by people not going through with some of his kind of boundary pushing orders. But what happens when someone does something that he's asking them to do some of this has come up with the department of homeland security when he's asking them to do something that may not be legal. What happens when someone follows through on her? It's kind of exactly what I was going to ask you the report lays out these several instances when the president directed aides to do something they did not follow through on kind of a blessing in disguise in this case, it seems. But what does this tell you about the White House? Well, you know, I think for all the chatter about some of the Trump's staff going into the administration about perhaps people not being qualified or perhaps him not having the best team. They actually turn out to be a great team for Donald Trump. They know him well, and as Bob Muller pointed out in that. Port which is the president was very frustrated with this investigation and believed that it was never true and never should have been conducted. And he had a staff, particularly Don Mcgann who knew he was lashing out and didn't act on it. And as a result of so they know when to ignore them. And when not well, it's like anybody in a relationship, you know, when somebody is frustrated, and they're venting versus when they're serious, and I read this, and I think perhaps even Bob Muller to his credit while that wasn't his job is to psychoanalyze the president. He took that into account that the people closest to Trump new when Trump was lashing out an angry and upset about something he read because he felt it was unfair and unjustified. And when when it was true in Don Mcgann served, the president actually quite well in this regard in Stephanie Senator Elizabeth Warren as you heard now calling for impeachment. Do you think many others will follow do you think that will happen? Do you think it should? Happen as we approach twenty twenty. I think that there will be more that call for impeachment proceedings, but I think by and large most Democrats are looking for Democrats to do their job. And what does that mean? It means that they've got to continue investigating and and get the facts and a big piece of that is getting Bob Muller to testify before the house. I think that this debate we all think of the Spade in this moment as a static debate. What should Democrats do they not do? I think if Bob Muller comes and testifies to the country, and and even just you could just read off of the report, I think that's a big moment. A big moment. Not just for Democrats. But for Republicans all the questions this morning all been about what Democrats should do what should Republicans do Republicans country exhausted by this country? People aren't even say are they are exhausted. It's not coming up on the campaign trail. I think that we we've all realized that however. I was struck by something a freshman democrat said over the past couple of days Abby span Berger who is a new member from northern Virginia swing district. She said is a divisive absolutely vice of to start impeachment proceedings. Does that mean we shouldn't do our job? No, we need to do our job. So what the question is. How does that all flow? Remember there was a year between of investigation before impeachment proceedings. Started on Richard Nixon Democrats have some more investigating to do. They've asked for his tax returns. Let's look at what's happening with his business with Russia. Why is he so cozy with Russia? He invited Russian interference in this election. Why? And you get to the bottom of that in Rick on that same vein. This wasn't the report that many Democrats were hoping for in congress is continuing to push for investigations. But I was struck by the focus of the democratic address this week from Representative Debbie Dingle. She talked about health care. She talked about jobs. I think the message was pretty clear in that of just move on. Let's not get into the Trump accusations again, and again, and again, I think the answer for Democrats not not necessarily move on. But moved to the side this whole issue. And if it isn't impeachment maybe kind of looks like impeachment light where you've got a whole series of investigations. And I think chairmanship in your interview of a few moments ago hinted at this that yeah, there's probably enough. If you want to impeach the president to say, there were high crimes and misdemeanors, and you can pursue that. But that isn't necessarily, well, it's almost certainly not going to be successful. And short of that, there's lots you can do inside the confines of the Miller report plus other things around there. And by the way, I think twenty twenty. Candidates would like to see that handled on Capitol Hill because it takes the pressure off of them. They are not being asked about it. They want to have a good answer. I think it's helpful for them to say, look, the the process is working its way through when as a functional matter. We know this is going to be litigated in next year's election not through impeachment and how much focus do you think? There will be on this. What are you hearing from voters? What do you think is happening out there in terms of this report? It's ends like as always voters are focused on kind of those bread and butter issues, the economy health care, and and it, and it has seems like that's what Democrats have been talking about on the trail. They haven't necessarily been leading with. We're going to impeach the president. I think that there is a case for people that are very adamant about wanting to see some type of Justice when it comes to the president, those Democrats are like why should we let this just slide? We should be more aggressive. And so I think that's why you see Elizabeth Warren Warren coming out and saying look, we should this rises to the level of impeachment. Let's at least. Look at this. Because there is this need I think on the democratic side to put up a fight among some I think for a lot of average Americans. They're probably going to be focused on those pocketbook issues, and Stephanie let's move onto the Democrats little bit here at the Trump campaign raised about a million dollars from his importer after the Miller report. They also raised more than thirty million in the first quarter as much as senators Bernie Sanders and Kamala Harris to top fundraisers is that a bad sign for Democrats. Well, yes. Right. And it's all right. It's also listen pleading. Yes, it's also coming forward. Power of the incumbency. I've been on the other side trying to reelect a president in that power incumbency cannot be underestimated in a presidential campaign. He's got the time and the resources to put together a campaign. He doesn't have to go through a primary. We've got a as of today. Eighteen people running when Biden gets in. We'll have nine nineteen nine people running. That's a lot of money being split. That's a lot of effort gets in this league twenties. It's true another veteran. And so, you know, the challenging party going through a primary is much more difficult than the power over the incumbency. I also think raising money off of the Muller report. He's got a very active base, and he Stokes it. Every single day we've seen it. He's trying to destroy Moller's credibility, even after the report comes out that has an impact on its space. It has an impact on our base to shoot should Biden be the face of the Democratic Party. I would argue go. I would argue that if Democrats were smart they would nominate somebody like Joe Biden. I mean, the reality is Donald Trump is definitely smiley. There is what what strikes me as as a Republican operative is how quick many Democrats dismissed this idea and say Joe Biden is not the future of the Democratic Party. But I look at it quite differently. Which is Donald Trump is actually in this strongest position he's ever been to be reelected. He has a very strong economy, and he was just exonerated from the underlying charge of this Russia conspiracy and many of Donald Trump supporters, and even people who are swing supporters people who maybe don't like everything about Trump, but like his policies look at this and say he was unfairly treated in this process. He is strongly positioned to be reelected, the Democratic Party going and talking about Medicare for all free college education free healthcare taxes on everybody to pay for all of these things that is not in. A winning message. Joe Biden is a sensible middle-class individual who people respect in like, I want to ask our to reporters here to to talk about lessons learned what lessons did the Republicans and Democrats learned from the past two years. I think that's very hard to say because I think in DC do people really learn lessons, but I think they might learn the wrong. I think what what in. What is interesting. And this kind of goes off what what was just being said is when Donald Trump came into office. He came into office as the outsider with very, not sensible ideas. But we're going to have a wall and Mexico is going to pay for it. And now, it's kind of reverse now, he's the incumbent trusts me. And all of these Democrats have these very kind of wild ideas. Do we want to trust them? Well, what I what I what I think that we what we saw with President Trump is that things that look very kind of wild and outrageous to the kind of DC establishment can quickly become the norm if they are sold in the right way. And so I think that Democrats even though they're looking at these bold ideas that may be what they need to do to get the attention and to get the attention of voters and for Republicans. I think these these last years of tracked president fell hijacking incomplete takeover of the Republican party Mitt Romney notwithstanding. Republicans are. Still behind him. And they were going to be in with him for better or for worse through twenty twenty for Democrats. I think their expectations around Muller probably were unrealistic. They were hoping that Muller would be get a jail three card, and this would get the the hard work done for them. When in fact, the whole political environment created, President Trump, and it's going to take politics to oust him, and if Democrats wanted to feed him, they're going to have to do it the hard way, they're going to have to do it by grinding out over the course of a campaign. It's not going to be solved for them by Bob, Muller, or any other outside force. Okay. Thanks to all of you. And have a great day today. That's all for us today. Thanks for sharing part of your Easter Sunday with us and we extend our thoughts to the people of Sri Lanka. After those devastating bombing attacks on churches and hotels there this morning. Have a good day. We all need someone who pull. No punches and give it to a straight. 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"The following was recorded at four. PM Eastern time. The impeachment drum beats on in the Senate with the Democrats building their point by point case against President trump including why they say the president lifted his hold on aid for Ukraine wasn't lifted. If did for any legitimate reason it was only lifted because president trump had gotten caught also Italy's far-right message of getting tough on Immigrants Finds Appeal Roland. Some traditionally leftwing strongholds. We had to start to liberate this area from this Nigerians. Were dealing drugs here. Legally this place was packed with drug dealers and the a grammy nominated band ranking thank. You stopped by our studio and Demo. The African roots of color music like this pain in my head ranking thank. You paint him frank thank you. I'm Marco Werman those stories and more today you're on the world I'm Marco Werman. This is the world good to have you with us. It's Friday it is day four of the impeachment trial trial of president. Donald Trump and the third and final day for the house managers all democrats to make their opening arguments today. Representative Akeem Jeffries was helping to build the case ace. On the second article of impeachment obstruction of Congress at the heart of article two obstruction of Congress is a simple troubling reality. President trump tried to cheat. He got caught and then he worked hard to cover it up the jurors in the case the senators are are mostly listening patiently. Here's Lindsey Graham Republican from South Carolina talking to reporters this morning. I don't know about you but it became mind numbing after a while I I got the general point you are trying to make the fourth time you told me so. They're over trying their case and I would just urge them to not. What do that because of eventually? It gets just hard to follow President Trump Echo. That sentiment in a tweet the do nothing Democrats he wrote. Just keep repeating and repeating over and over again the same old stuff on the impeachment hoax joining me now to review the events of the week. Our Jonathan Turley one of the four constitutional regional scholars who testified to the house impeachment inquiry last month. He's also a professor at George Washington University and Margaret Taylor former chief counsel for the Senate Foreign Relations Committee and now senior editor at Law Fair Margaret Jonathan. Good to have you both with us today. Thank you thank you for having me so the week is an over. But if we're going to identify the highlight it A lot of watchers are already saying it was a final speech on Thursday from Adam Schiff the leader of the house managers leading the case against trump. Let's listen to just a moment from that. If right doesn't matter it doesn't matter how good the constitutionists it doesn't matter how brilliant the framers were doesn't matter how good or bad bad or advocacy in the trials doesn't matter how well written the oath of impartiality is if right doesn't matter we're lost if the truth doesn't matter we're lost let's start at thirty five thousand feet and then we'll get into the details. Ah What Congressman Schiff was saying there. Jonathan Turley is this just rhetoric rhetoric. Zeon does something is democracy in America in peril here. Well the problem Lem is that people are listening to the impeachment trial and it's like a group of people listening to the same movie but only hearing the lines they wanNA hear. The fact is that there are substantial questions left by the house because it rushed the impeachment vote and did not not complete. Its record when I testified. I said that the two articles that were approved or legitimate if proven I but they then rushed I vote by Christmas and they left a record. There was insufficient to bring to the Senate so they made it easy for the White House. I mean people will hear what they wanNA hear. Taylor what do you think about what Congressman Schiff was saying. I think he's he's right to clarify. What the stakes stakes are here I think that he would disagree. With professor Turley about the the case being made. I think they feel Pretty comfortable that they have enough to make the case they've been making it pretty Fodder and systematically over the last Two and a half days now. How so I think he's right to identify for Americans who are watching are tuning in here and there you know what are the stakes of of of the decision here And so I in that way. I don't think it's rhetoric in terms of whether we're in peril. I mean probably at this point. Wait say no because the system the system is working as it was constitutionally designed to work up until this point I think the question going forward is you know. Do all the senators sort of credibly engage and legitimately engage with all the facts and make their decision based on that or are they making their decision based on something else else For example party affiliation with the president will senator. Graham was kind of warning about the presentation being too tedious but he's also publicly complimented Adam Schiff for the teams presentation both of your lawyers. You've both done high profile presentations Jonathan Turley what do you make of the work done by the house managers this week. Oh I think they've done a good job very good job by Adam. Schiff was my posing council the impeachment trial we. I was representing the judge in that impeachment and I found him to be a very able Opposing counsel surprisingly skill for a member of Congress They have had misteps as the biggest biggest one was when judiciary term and Jerry Nadler basically accused the state Senate specifically the Republicans of engaging in a cover-up. You know. There's a rule that we share with all of our law students that you can insult a lot of people in the courtroom. The prosecutor that defense counsel the defendant. You you can never insult a jury. And the response was that Senator Collins one of the four senators that the house is trying to get to vote for witnesses. Mrs sent a note to the chief justice leading to an admonishment opposed side. And then another one of those four Senator Murkowski okay actually walked off the floor not long after and said she was deeply insulted by the house. Comments that's not a good strategy when you're trying to get them to vote for witnesses. Mortga Taylor what do you make of the presentation by the House. Managers like for you. What's been the most compelling side of their argument so I think there is I mean I think the most important -portant thing that they have been doing is as before methodically walking through the facts showing clips from the a house impeachment proceedings. You know just really making their argument based on facts and just walking through it and they have to do that. They have the burden of proof. If you will hear they have the burden to make their case that the president should be removed so in some sense what what some senators are calling boring repetitive. To my mind that is something that just just has to be done. When you're prosecuting a case like this I agree that that sort of moment in midnight with With among both book both sides. Actually I think Jay Secolo and Nadler was not the brightest moment but actually I think the house managers I've recovered from that they learn from it And they've actually actually been I think. Remarkably gracious and respectful of the Senate Ever since that moment so I think they have learned I will be very anxious to see. See sort of going forward how you know. They're methodic walk through the facts contrast perhaps with with what we might see from the president's defense eighteen going forward that's one thing I'm really curious to see and compare well. We got a bit of a tease of that. This week. because the way the impeachment trials organized we've heard almost exclusively from Democrats this week but tomorrow ro all the president's men get to make the case for the defense We got a preview of that from lead attorneys Patsy Bologna on Tuesday. Let's listen we believe that once once you hear those initial presentations the only conclusion will be. The president has done absolutely nothing wrong. Jonathan Turley early. Would you expect to hear from the president's lawyers well one of the most surprising aspects. Is that the White House team built their defense around a a highly contested theory that you require crime to have an impeachable offense and that is a position that many of us have love rejected in the past. I testified on that very theory not just in the trump impeachment hearing but also the Clinton impeachment hearing I don't believe that is historically or legally accurate. Because it would essentially make impeachable synonymous with indictable. And what's really odd. Is that many of the Republican senators have said they don't agree with that theory being presenting that defense to the jury. That's already said that they don't accept it and that's what's a particularly odd move on their part. Jonathan Turley Professor George Washington in University and Margaret Taylor senior editor at Law Fair. Thank you both very much. Thank you a new American novel is stirring up strong feelings. It's a story of migration relation to the US. Some have called the Grapes of Wrath of our time. The protagonist is a Mexican mother running from drug cartel hit men. The author is an American woman in New York City. The world's horrible. NCO has the story. The novel American dirt was published to immediate acclaim. The back of the cover has quotes from the likes of Stephen in King and Latino celebrities posted about it on their social media. It's a page turner been can't put down this is writer and former. NBC Correspondent Mariana. At but then too. I think that anyone especially someone with the pros of Janine Cummings who humanizes are stories and tells the world that nobody leaves as their home unless they absolutely have to deserves to be read deserves to be heard author. Janine come in Scott a seven figure deal with flat iron books for American dirt according to publishers. Weekly and the novel she tells the story of a woman named Lydia and her son Luca they live in the south west coast city of Acapulco and the rest of their family is murdered by drug traffickers. Here's a line from the audiobook. One of the very first bullets comes in through the open window above the toilet where Lucas standing the writing is gripping and it's difficult to stop reading as each paragraph spills into the next but many American writers of Latin American background quickly found the book problematic the Mexican American writer medium good about calls it a horror version of what Mexico might look like. The book is a collection of Gross. Stereotypes intended to be consumed by a white audience with a sweet tooth for Mexican pain goodwill says Cummins also gets many cultural troch used wrong take for instance the scene where the main characters family is violently killed. It's at what in Mexico would typically be a fancy coming of age party for a teenage girl in the book. It's depicted as a cookout worthy father. Grills the stakes. The Ben spatulas sits in a puddle of congealed blood and the flat parts still bears a smudge of uncooked meat description. Sounds like a casual American backyard gathering not like Kim Sun yet which is formal formal in which you put a great deal of effort into making elegant. Janine Cummins has defended her book by saying she did five years worth of research for it. Her goal she says was to humanize migrants by presenting their stories in an intimate way. Critics say she didn't achieve that goal because of what she got wrong but in Mexico Texaco. It's not new to see. Outsiders misrepresent the reality of the country. That Niklas is a novelist and founder of a literary review in Mexico. City looked after John. John Meco says he has no problem with fiction about current events in Mexico. He says what troubles him is. That American dirt doesn't touch on the most most important human rights issues facing migrants. Today is in Meteorologist Mikiko Porchet. MECO says what we really we need to be talking about our Mexico's migration policies and how the trump administration has influenced them for that conversation to take place writer. Medium Gouda says it would to help to have greater diversity and book publishing. Roughly eighty percent of the people in it are white. According to a survey conducted five years ago by Lee and low books go to buy says she does believe in outsider can successfully right about a community other than their own but the underrepresentation of Latinos means books like American dirt can get published with cultural inaccuracies. They got played. Had there been Mexicans around. They wouldn't gotten full. They don't trust US good and many others who have joined the conversation or calling waiting for a transformation of the book publishing industry that way as good says books will be more authentic than store bought Taco seasoning for for the world. I'm court Habilis you. You're listening to the world. I'm Marco Werman. This is the world the people in the Carolinas. With connections to gala no the expression ranking tank it loosely means get funky and that's what the band ranking tankeea does on their grammy. Grammy nominated album. Good time and now that you've heard what ranking tanking sounds like you may be scratching your head about about that word. I dropped a moment ago. Gullo what and who are GonNa let me Orient you first. They are the descendants of enslaved. Africans residing along the coast I between North Carolina and Georgia. The heart of their culture is centered on the barrier islands of the states to talk about Gula who better than rank Yankee bandleader leader and Guitarist Clay Ross. Along with the group's Bass player. Kevin Hamilton joined us in Boston. Here's Kevin there's different theories about the actual term one camp. They would say that descendents from Angola but then also there's a tribe called the goal that was also speculated to be the origin of The slaves that came over from Africa over and this is Clay Ross yeah gala is essentially the music and culture the way of life of The descendants of formerly enslaved Africans in America. So it's a very unique and distinct African American culture and African Diaspora Culture in the in the Americas and because of the relative isolation of the islands the culture has really survived and thrived in a very distinct way. Okay so would you say that ranking tank he has as its first kind of goal preserving Gullick culture is it just kind of a byproduct of what you're doing a little bit of both. Thank you know there is a thing on clay. brought the idea to the band. There was a part of it where it was conscious and non conscious. You know. We're going to do anyway because we were like play and I hope you interact but at the same time though you know he was like a it became a mission. Once you saw the reaction of people and how also Duchess People's wants went to share their stories with US law so it was a kind of hand in hand. I guess the best answer I can give. Yeah I also think that there is an inherent integrity so oh I think it is going to happen by default that that we're going to honor this music and the culture of the descendants that are in this band with integrity and even even as close as I am to it as a disciple of the music and not a descendant of the culture. I brush up against it sometimes and I'm Find Myself You know Sorta to may be offering some ideas. That aren't okay with everybody Kevin. Do you have Gulf routes do. There's a part of Charleston called called huge in Quesnoy. And that's a pretty thick golic community with an area but the running joke in the band is actually that while I have that background I was raised Catholic. So so there's a part of it where like when I played interact with Other guys that Bill Clinton and Charlton you know I get it. We have a connection that that way. But I wasn't necessarily raise with all of the songs and the him those Kinda I got. I heard it more like secondhand through other sources but I wasn't. I didn't go to church that way. And so the music that you you play today Is there anything in there that you can refer back to from your childhood or is it kind of is your background so going to disperse that. It's kind of hard to pin go through like Ticket to stand by me but clap the rhythm on the actions of inaccurate even speech with Targets my grandmother's there's just this rhythm to it. I know that you mm-hmm and so Stand by me. That's a tune that you often perform take even further back because might be hard to hear similarities between stand by me and songs from West Africa. But have you ever done like a side. By comparison between Traditional Gull Music and say cultures from West Africa their music like in Sierra Leone or Angola which is more Central Africa. I mean do you hear or anything in there at big time I mean honestly. That's that's what brought me to the idea of wanting to do this project it was you know a a journey is this huge securities journey in my life in music and When Quinton I play these these rhythms and Kevin why it's like a wonderful synergy habits is is beautiful so we we don't have the drums but we do have Kevin your the Bass player in your guitars. I but I'm wondering if there's some kind of progressive acapella thing that you could do just illustrate kind of the most basic of rhythm that might connect to spank to. AH The African continent. Yeah and I think that the the core rhythm that you'll hear and you hear this in so many cultures you hear it in Argentinian Tango. You hear here in Brazilian by Al.. You hear it in music in Morocco as well all the way in the Far East. And it's just a simple syncopated. Beat because like this one two three four. This and you could hear a Brazilian song style. Musical Cocoa local from Brazil Vida bonds paid among. So that's the same as my head rank. Thank you paint him rank. Thank you painting the Thank you you know. It's a shared human language. Looks fantastic suit. Larry ranked on so. I've just learned that Frankie Tankeea Day in Charleston is official. It's a thing of December. What seventeen I going? I also saw that. Both of you are graduates of the College of Charleston. As well as Clinton Baxter. They're pretty chuffed by your grammy nomination. Mum I know you're both New Yorkers now but what is it like when Ricky taking place in Charleston. Do you get a lot of people from the community turning out. And what's that seen all of. Yeah Yeah and fat. It gets to a point where. RV Can't have enough shows really on one side you have an older crowd people that are Who decided to cultural arts kind of thing but also we played recently hired as festival? There's a huge crowd and it was. They were just isn't so it's a pretty very the fair Kevin Hamilton and Klay. Ross from Ricky tankeea thanks so much. Good luck to you. And it's great to see all the success for you guys. Thanks Markelle fans man. Thanks for having thank you doc Kevin in Hamilton and Claro so the band ranki their album. Good Time is nominated for a grammy in the regional routes category. A lot more of the band and their music videos come to the world dot. Org mm-hmm Canadian board is deciding whether to extradite a Chinese executive to the US. Meanwhile China is detaining two Canadians. Some Canadian say make a swap. The Americans can frankly have got us into this mess and I think frankly if the shoe on the other foot the United States government would do exactly what I am proposing. That's coming up. You're on the world. Nope I'm Marco Werman. This is the world. We're a CO production of the BBC World Service W. G. B. H. N. P.. RX A new kind of virus has prompted a stunning response. From China. The movement of millions of people there has been halted developments with this new corona virus are evolving solving minute by minute. Hundreds of people have been infected mostly in China during Chinese Central Television Lunar New Year gala. Special one anchor said Male Cheetah Cock if we are united together there is no obstacle. We can't overcome a message of Unity for sure. But the tightly controlled Chinese media are showing signs of splintering. Xiaoying fung is a US based correspondent with the BBC's Chinese service she's been monitoring the press is there and has noticed a divergence of views being expressed. When I opened the way which is the equivalent of twitter in China? This morning I noticed at there are two main kinds of messages on lines. On one hand there are many distressing videos and pose about corona virus. The people are complaining that the hospitals are overloaded people with symptom when they go to the hospitals they are turned away because it simply no bats for them in on the other hand or colorful images from this New Year gala. Better the game which is broadcast by the state for customer CICI TV to celebrate Lunar New Year. which is this Saturday? And it's important to know that the show at segment dressing to the corona virus which we just heard is unify message rich one of the anchors that well what else shoes you're right anything that would upset harm people because they're making all this sacrifice and of course these are indications for of Gonda efforts to say oh we are unified country. We can do this together. There's nothing we can't overcome so when this virus was first detected how public was the conversation. Was it an open discussion and Chinese media. When when the outbreak I happened a lot of information about the virus WISCON- trolled by the government? You couldn't notice the censorship because there. It was not a large amount of information available on the Internet at the time. But there's a tipping point which came around twenty of January. If you look at by do which is the Chinese equivalent to Google search engines you notice a spike of surge of Corona Virus Wuhan Virus after twenty twenty of January. That's the time when the government nuisance is censorship on outbreak us. So we're seeing a very vibrant Chinese media media scenes many media. Let's pushing the boundary to cover stories sending reporters on the ground. And actually Chinese language media have been wear the hats of many national media outlets. What was the Chinese central government's thinking when they loosen those Censorship restrictions my guess is stat the government in my have learned the lesson from Saas thinking that it's time to let people get some information that would help with preventing the virus right from furnace spreading. Does it provide you something of a test or at least kind of like an image of what open media free expression in China might look like I mean for decades. The country suffer from lack of freedom of speech lack of freedom of press and now with this losing censorship tip. Although they're still gonNA efforts still controlled you. Get a gleams of what China would look like. And what Chinese press can do in terms terms of covering a crisis like this. What do you think it would take for this kind of attitude? This posture in China to stick. Well it's really tricky right. Ah One hand. The government wants to inform people of the right information regarding the outbreak to prevent it from worsening on the other hand More more critical information about the government becoming available online and on Chinese press will also dramatize to authorities status. Data's so is a tricky balance and I would not expect a censorship to continue to be loosened for a long time. Maybe not on other topics that my create dangerous for the government but at the moment we're enjoying the limited freedom we get right now regarding less censorship on the outbreak gentlemen and Winnie the Pooh which often code for Xi Jinping. Still no-go topics right. No I would not go that far. Jillian phone is a correspondent with with the BBC's Chinese service. Thanks very much for unpacking this for us. Thank you China. Is Walking another tight rope dealing with a potential prisoner swap. You may I have heard of Joe a top executive with the Chinese telecom giant while way a Canadian judge is now deciding whether to extradite her to the US the US wants among for allegedly evading sanctions on Iran. Meanwhile Beijing detaining two Canadians accusing them of espionage. Their detention is widely seen as retaliation allegation and as a bargaining chip the world. Sarah Birnbaum has that story. All three people were arrested about a year ago but their situations are very very different. Monjo is under house arrest in her Vancouver Mansion but she's not confined. Their mum can move around the city as long as she's wearing an ankle monitor which she likes to pair with Jimmy Choo Stilettos for court appearances. She has time for reading oil painting and long and phone calls the two Canadians being held in Chinese detention. Don't have it so good. Their names are Michael. Cove rig and Michael SPA four. There also also known in the Canadian Media As to Michael's Rob Molly is Michael over expose at the International Crisis Group. If Michael could live under even a slice of what Ms Fungus he would be as it would be normally grateful. Molly says it doesn't take a political science degree to see what's going on here. Kovach he says was arrested in China just over a week after monk was detained in Canada. She's out on bail living in luxury place table to move around. He's not. He is confined. He doesn't have much contact with the outside world He doesn't even know. What are the charges that are being brought against him? mm-hmm and it's obviously taken a physical and mental toll. In recent weeks several prominent Canadians have been calling for a prisoner swap. Canada Canada would release among and China would free the two michaels. Edward Goldenberg is a former chief of staff to Prime Minister. John Clayton and a partner. The law firm Bennett Jones. The first priority of any government must be the liberty of its citizens. Goldenberg says candidate should do what is necessary. And if that means snubbing are being the Americans by not extraditing Lonzo then so be it. The Americans frankly have got us into this mess and I think if the shoe were on the other foot the the United States government would do exactly what I am proposing Goldenberg suspects and he's not alone that the trump administration sees among joe as a pawn on in the U. S. China trade war. Trump himself tweeted that he would intervene in her case. If it might help trade talks with China Goldenberg says has the arrest warrant an extradition request for Mung appear to be politically motivated. The United States Administration is doing this as a part of their geopolitical a political struggle against China and you can agree or disagree with their political position. But I think it's put Canada between a rock and a hard place and to use an expression Russian that I think is well known in the United States instead of saying American I I would say him to I but Canadian. Prime Minister Justin Trudeau is proceeding with caution. And he rejected the idea of prisoner swap at a press conference this week. Trudeau said Canada would stand by its extradition treaties the By by Law Trudeau might be wary of a possible backlash from Washington but Margaret McLay Johnston a senior our fellow at the University of Alberta China Institute says there's another reason why a prisoner swap would be a bad idea. We can't have a situation where China learns that it can get what it wants on the world stage by kidnapping Canadians kidnapping citizens of other countries. She says China has been in Bolton long enough. They've kept that the citizens of Japan Taiwan South Korea Sweden Australia the the U. S.. So this tactic they regularly using. Somebody's gotTA stand up to them but there's something else mcquaid. Johnston points out that most of the people oh calling for a prisoner swap come from the business community whose bottom line has been hit hard by this international spat because in addition to detaining attaining Canadian citizens China also banned certain Canadian farm products mcquaid. Johnston says the business community is eager to put all of of this behind them. I have a lot of respect for the people who are calling for a prisoner exchange But I think they would like the relationship relationship to go back to the way it was before so that business can get back on track So we can continue to have collaborations and I don't think that our relationship Russian with China is ever going to go back to the way it was a year. And a half ago China's detention of Coburg and Spangler has brought up another question north of the boarder and that is what happened to Canada's most important global ally the United States. Some Canadians are watching this story. Play out and feeling abandoned by the US last month Trudeau ask trump to hold off signing his phase. One trade deal with China until after the Michaels were were released. Trump ignored that request and signed the trade deal anyway. As the editors at the Globe and Mail put it Washington's Abdication Haitian has left Canada high and dry for the world. I'm Sarah Birnbaum Bologna in the north of Italy is known for its university the and its food culture. It's also a region of Italy that has been staunchly left wing for seventy five years but now it m country are on the brink of a political earthquake quake. The country's far right party. The League has been winning support across parts of northern Italy. And that could eventually turn control of the Italian government over to Matteo Salvini L. Vini the populist anti migrant face of the league the BBC's Mark Lowen has our story from northern. Italy just arrived in town in northern Italy. That's being a bastion of the centre-left since the Second World War until last year when they voted in the far all right league hearty of Matteo Salvini and as soon as you get out of the station the first cost the city because a long way to explaining why it's called God it's a real problem Marya crying migration drug dealing and the message of the League party here was give us control the Fed Atta and we'll make this area safe again. Hopefully maintain the research bachelor all beneath the areas nineteen seventies concrete skyscraper. I meet Nicola Laudi fellas new foul right. Deputy mayor a brawny tough talker nicknamed the sheriff of any Seattle Alabama. I know we had to start to liberate this area from this Nigerians who were dealing drugs here. Legally this place was packed with drug dealers. Look at those dealers there combines e capacity and. They've just made it into the building. They've they've gone away non-air stubby pencil racist to assume the Nigerian drug dealers. I ask Sandra which saw sonal if you go after someone and they flee. It's not racist if they're escaping. It's because they have something to hide in central with its sublime Renaissance Castle and Cathedral. Nicola Laudi is campaigning to win. Sunday's regional election. That would break seventy five years. He is a left-wing control. Here possibly topple a government and sweep the far right populist Matteo Salvini into power as prime minister also Bob. He stops off in the shop of Christina Patty where the message resonates the migrants bring bring illnesses. She says I have nothing against the people who come here but Italians must come. I must meet Smitten. You that's what I'm Roslyn but for migrants like Russell in the new hardline council so's fear what's happening to Italy. What's happening to the city so me I can see? I don't know what is happening right. Now maybe they don't want the foreign us the new party now. We're looking for reasons to kness shop so so for two months. My shops closed on eve. Make me feel. I'm intimidated. Sometimes China used to ask me. Mummy why is it that the police it's almost Gomez. I don't know new fed Outta that preparing for a Salvini rally. The square filling up this region is one. One of Italy's wealthiest unemployment is half the national average but an aging population has struggled to accept migrants. And many here are frustrated with stasis in Italy's economic stagnation by the Rockstar of Italian politics chums the crown with his line security migration change and Nanakuli out. I'll have you created a fear of the other. I asked him. I don't know if people are fearful. It's not because Salvini tells them through the BBC that they should be afraid if crime is under is it's a problem but we don't only speak about what security we also tell people about. The economy jobs mentions in schools locker. And I ask what about those who say the League is racist and Fascist Doumen on us this time the least racist person in the world not absolutely everybody on the square supports Salvini. There are a few opponents of him over here. Let's just go talk to them. Why do you stand for hate and discrimination? It's not what we want. We best this thoughts seventy. It's years ago when the war ended and where Mussolini Diet back in Fed Outta old town a pianist serenade beneath the spires. A scene. Out of Italy's don't Jovita and yet. This country feels politically lost swinging between extremes in in a constant identity crisis this Sunday could be a turning point. If the far right wins here they could win across Italy and drag Europe to a new beat the BBC's Mark Lowen reporting there from northern Italy Tomorrow January twenty fifth marks nine years since Egyptians took to the streets to overthrow a dictator. The therere square. Revolution successfully ousted Egyptian President Hosni Mubarak but since two thousand eleven Egypt has struggled Duggal through multiple leaders a coup and crackdown on free speech musician. Rami Esam and visual artists. Guns ear know that better than most. They were two of the most influential influential artists for protesters nine years ago in Egypt. Now both of them live in exile but there were still packs a punch Rami. SMS Gezira teaming up to commemorate memory the Egyptian Revolution Tomorrow. In New York City. It will be a night of music. Commentary and visual arts celebrating the younger generation of Egyptians that led the the protests and the ongoing struggles. Basically the whole tours beyond resistance and then on January twenty fifth is read and Beyond and that's a one day event event. That is where I'll be involved going on stage and doing an audio visual performance giving a bit of a talk and showing some of the visual art that one into the uprising uprising. Nine years ago Obviously Romney is the audio component. That's kind of the climax of Romney's tour. What do you want the people who see it to get out of it rummy? My main goal was everything. I'm trying to do as an artist especially in daylight. That is really to remind find the people that it's not over because it's getting so hard in Egypt and maybe I have a better chance being being outside Egypt the moment and I want to do my best to give this up to people to remind everybody that the story did an end. We still fighting. Even if it's in different forms in different places different ways I mean it has been nine years as you say and the Egyptian uprising that began at two rear ultimately did not achieve what the protesters wanted which was true democracy so as you look back at what's happened since the terrier square protests. How do you both feel you know? Obviously there's a bit of trauma and depression depression to deal with. But I think these performances are like an awesome. Wait for us to deal with them our way because based on like last week's performance alone and just the energy in the bar it was it was nuts. You know and all these people there was a big Egyptian diaspora presence and a lot of them. Were people that I met through different events prior and I can tell the difference you know there was like I met them before I could tell that they were depressed. Having been here for a while and kind of been away from Egypt and the way things had gone and and last week it was like relighting spark all over again. The other thing is one of the anthems of the Lebanese Uprising. Right now on the front line someone shared heard a video with me on twitter. Where testers are kind of facing off with police and they took with them? A bunch of speakers were playing one over army songs. Not One of the songs comes from like way back from two thousand eleven but one of the songs he put out while in Sweden which I think is a testament to like know that you could still participate and kind of influence from a distance. It's very powerfully. So what you're doing. Sounds like. It's helping Egyptian expats anyway. How does music and art help you to reconcile? Oh that incomplete revolution. I'm always taking my music as as my therapy and as my first friend. Sometimes they don't find anybody else else. This friend with me and when I was saying I WANNA share. Hope was was people through my music. I'm helping myself as well. Sometimes I play guitar to myself to lift my spirits up so so it's a big big reason why I'm still hanging around in his life. Both both of you Gonzala and Romney you both live in exile from your native Egypt. If you lived in Egypt would any of your work be possible. Could you commemorate career as a multimedia project contract. Oh no way definitely not Which is why this event is so important? The state of Egypt. The current dictatorship data ship has kind of controlled the the narrative post-revolution narrative for a very long time and has poisoned that narrative. Very much. And there's a lot of anti revolution propaganda and by by forcing us into exile. They think they have rendered powerless. But I think having an event like this shows that even exile we're going to keep the spirit gone so it allows you to flex your artistic and political muscle but I'm curious why you do this if ultimately it's art that Egyptians in the the center of the political problems can't see okay. We're talking about art and Art is like the strongest peaceful weapon. We could news against dictatorship if we are in Egypt or not legacy mention before we we kind of steel released song and it can make huge impact even in the whole region. I've been experiencing a lot. When exile same thing two zero when the movement to eat just a couple of months ago was trying to rise up again and he made just like you? Artwork for dictation and people were using it all over the world so we know that we can still help for making. Any kind of change was art. We learned very well that the change won't happen in one day and we started something and so then eleven and we won't stop. I have lots of things that will keep doing what I'm doing either from the early. Greens who've been carrying from two thousand eleven or older friends that are in jail at the moment. They have to know that we still fighting fighting for them and for the same goes beyond resistance becomes beyond. Therere on January twenty fifth at National Sawdust in Brooklyn rummy some organsier thanks so much for your time. Thanks for having me thank you. The Australian Open is in full swing right now Melbourne. Today one players stole the spotlight Coco Gulf. Santana spot coco the fifteen year old American tennis phenom from Florida She's ranked number sixty seven in the world today. She faced off against last year's Australian Open winner. The world's number four Naomi Asaka of Japan coca coca pulled off a stunning upset January. Twenty four twenty twenty remember the day January twenty fourth. Cocoa Handily beat Osaka in straight-sets knocking her from the tournament. It was the biggest win of cocoa's young career. What a difference a few months make last August Asaka a crush cocoa in the US Open right after today's match cocoa Gal was smiling and waving to the crowd? What is my life like? Oh my gosh. I couldn't if I like last year or two years ago. I lost first round in juniors and now I'm here like this is crazy. At fifteen coco is the youngest player competing in the tournament and that means she's still got some teenage responsibilities. Is that more homework later or tomorrow. Yes probably tomorrow because I want to go sleep tonight but my teachers they. They're giving me some time because considering the circumstances let me. They're letting me assim assignments lease so that's okay. They sound very nice. Your teachers I'm guessing she's GonNa sit tomorrow Coca Gal full-face Sophea Kenan another American. And if you've got some extra time this weekend you can always channel Surf between tennis and the impeachment trial. That floats your boat. Whatever you opt for make it a relaxing weekend from the non and Bill Harris Studio at W. H. Here in Boston? I'm Marco Werman will be back with you on Monday. The world is a CO production of W. H. Boston the BBC World Service and Pierre ex- ex-.

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6-11-21 What's News

The Nicole Sandler Show

07:53 min | 4 months ago

6-11-21 What's News

"It's time for new coal sandler's what's news from nicole sandler dot com and the progressive voices networks navigate life after trump. We keep learning more about what he did. While in office and thursday night the new york times broke yet. Another norm shattering story. They're reporting that. The justice department secretly subpoenaed apple for the phone records of two democrats on the house. Intelligence committee as part of their investigation into leaks of classified information. The to congressman. Adam schiff then the intelligence committee's top democrat. Now it's chair and congressman eric. Swallow well the department. Also sought information on several of the lawmakers staff members and even family members. One of whom is a child. Shortly after the story broke congressman schiff appeared on the rachel. Maddow's show this looks like a hat views of the department yet. Another example of the president politicizing using the department of justice as a cudgel to go after his enemies. The first most important norm post. Post-watergate is the president had states does not get involved in particular cases at the justice department. The president states doesn't urge department to investigate his political adversaries political enemies beyond that you have the specter of a president who is himself under investigation by our committee calling for an unprecedented subpoenas. Unprecedented abused for account information pretending to members of congress. That is a terrible presents. Personal legal interest. Oh congressman schiff was mentioned in the new york times story as having his. Record seized congressman. Eric swamp well appeared on cnn. Thursday night and said me too. I was notified by apple that they did. Seize my records. it's wrong. This is what they do they smear and they try and clear. We've seen this through the justice department by donald trump whether it was the reason he was impeached for trying to go after vice president biden at the time or just other efforts through the muller investigation And i support chairmanships call for an inspector general report into not only this conduct but other conduct that was corrupt by donald trump. This is unprecedented and uncalled for. Especially since the j. found no information tying any leaks to any one on the house intelligence committee and this latest revelation comes on the heels of another report saying that the trump justice department went after phone and computer records of reporters from the new york. Times washington post and c. n. n. in both cases gag orders were placed on the companies that the justice department sought records from effectively keeping them from even informing the companies. They worked for that. These records were being subpoenaed speaker. Nancy pelosi issued a statement calling the trump administration's efforts to investigate schiff and swallow. Well quote harrowing. She said. I support intelligence committee chairman. Adam shifts call for an investigation into this situation and other acts of the weaponization of law enforcement by the former president. Adding transparency is essential. This story is far from over and other news. Joe biden is in england this weekend for the g. seven summit. He spent much of the day thursday with british prime minister. Boris johnson even gave him a gift of a made in the usa. Bicycle johnson announced that the g seven the group of seven leaders were preparing to commit to sharing at least a billion doses of corona virus vaccines with other nations of joe biden. Johnson said the talks were great. They went on for a long time. We covered huge range of of subjects. And it's it's wonderful to listen to the biden administration and to and to joe biden because on the so much that they want to do together with us from security nato to to climate change and It's it's it's fantastic. It's a breath of fresh air at the end of the g. Seven meeting joe biden heads to geneva to meet with russian president vladimir putin of course the former guy couldn't help himself and had to issue another one of his ridiculous statements. I won't even insult you by reading it here. Just know that this man is completely off his rocker and frankly his words and behavior of frightening on the eve of the president meeting with the russian leader. This man is criticizing the sitting us president and praising putin inconceivable. Back at home. A bipartisan group of ten conservative senators announced thursday that they had agreed to a framework for an infrastructure. Bill it would include five hundred. Seventy nine billion dollars in new spending. Cover costs without tax increases Yeah the group includes five republicans and five quasi democrats and they said they were reaching out to fellow senators and the president and expected to win broad support. Really i don't think that's case and i'm not alone. Senator ron wyden chairs the senate finance committee and he pointed out that this version of an infrastructure bill leaves out anything pertaining to climate change. And says that's a nonstarter the proposition that the country biggest corporations who got an enormous tax cut from donald trump in twenty seventeen wouldn't pay a single penny to use the roads and bridges and ports. They depend on. That is just a nonstarter and second to take a complete passed on climate in other words. Include nothing on. Climate change is a complete non-starter so the first time in a hundred years. The finance committee has passed comprehensive clean energy legislation. What we did is we took the forty four breaks in the tax code for energy and we threw them in the trash and then we would have won for clean energy one for clean transportation one for energy efficiency. That's future this. Bipartisan idea eh. anything on climate. I non start widened. Says it's time for the democrats to move on with passing a bill through reconciliation. That doesn't require any republican votes. Couple other things this weekend. Unemployment benefit cuts begin missouri. Alaska iowa and mississippi are the first states where those extra federal unemployment benefits to help workers through the pandemic are stopping early. No more checks go out after saturday. Republican run legislatures in many states. That the extra three hundred dollars weekly made it impossible for businesses to hire even though companies complain of worker shortages when there are no benefits in place and if all goes as expected israel swears in a new government on sunday ending prime minister. Benjamin netanyahu's record twelve year rule and the political crisis he brought on. But it's tenuous even if one party backs out the government would be at risk of collapse and that's just a bit of what's news for now. I'm nicole sandler. Appreciate these reports and the nicole sandler show. I hope you'll consider making bution. My work is one hundred percent listener supported. And i can't do it without your help. Find out more nicole sandler dot com and please click on that donate button.

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Another reason to clean house at the DOJ; Milo Yiannopoulis, Caitlyn Jenner and.. Crackhead Barney

Rusted Culture Podcast

16:10 min | 4 months ago

Another reason to clean house at the DOJ; Milo Yiannopoulis, Caitlyn Jenner and.. Crackhead Barney

"So we'll come back to the rest of culture podcast folks. I'm frank ever sold and it's great to be back as always in today now. There's been so much stuff that's been going on since i've i've been Away on my little sabbatical here. There's been so much stuff that's going on it. I don't even know where to begin. I sat down today. And i'm just like bewildered with all the crap that i see and the thing about it is you know. I'm i know that not. Everybody sees things the same way that i see them. But i try to approach things from a common sense perspective. It's a little bit rare these days in politics so today what i thought we talk about. We've got the justice department. Mike god clean house. Merrick garland clean house. Please please clean house. Get rid of some of these klingons from the trump administration. Please you know this is. This is something we've got to do. I want to talk about that. And then we've got some crackhead clips here that i'm gonna play folks After that that are just ridiculous. You know the typical stuff that's always going on. So let's just kick this off so what we've got here. Folks is the trump justice department in two thousand eighteen. Evidently under the cover of darkness in secrecy they decided to subpena apple for the phone and email records for congressman schiff in swallow and not just that twelve other people including including their records the phone records and e mail records of a minor. Guess a minor. What the hell are they up to. And i've always said i. I have always said that i just do not trust. Bill barr as attorney general. He would do anything in. This is further evidence that he has done just about anything folks and you know i listened last night to msnbc. And i think. I took in three hours of it all the way from. I didn't see chris hayes. I saw the last bit crusades. And then i saw it into rachel. Maddow who is equally as inflamed about merrick garland in the state of the justice department. And what these people have done so this is yet. Just another nail in that coffin. These people that were part of what we're gonna talk about here in a second. They just need to go. I mean there is no slap on the wrist. The r- is no you know what you get the office by the bathroom. There's none of that here. I mean it's time for him to go so the but the one thing that i did not hear last night until it got all the way into brian williams in the last hour when they had james carville on the air now james i have so much respect for james carville he is He just calls it like it is and you've got to respect that I remember all the way back to the election When of course the biden election here and james carville. I'm starting to lose a little bit of faith here in this whole process was like oh my god is trump gonna pull this off again. Are we gonna get screwed for another four years and james carville said. Hey folks you know. What the the absentee ballots in his own little southern louisiana twang the the absentee ballots have been counted. And you gotta wait for those to come in. They're going to become an end and strong numbers and by god he was right as we all know. So i watched everything all the way through rachel. maddow lawrence o'donnell and then when we get to brian williams james carville had this to say he said basically that. Yeah it's wrong that's what everybody else said yes. I know it's wrong. But he had hit the extra step of saying. We've got to do something about it. We need to make sure this doesn't happen again. And that's just it folks. What are we going to do about it as we know. Congress is a co equal branch with the president i. it's one of the equal branches and it has to be protected. It's something that we have to do. So we just can't take this lightly just can't blow it off like a lot of republicans would like to see us do and so far by the way. No republicans have joined democrats calling for investigations into this fiasco and according to the new york times after an initial look by bill barr attorney then attorney general. Bill barr back in two thousand eighteen after an initial look at the evidence that he had so far collected from this process of sub painting apple. You know for the phone and email records when the initial look did not turn turn up any evidence. Bill barr refused to close the investigation into shift and swallow in. Donald trump. took great pride and calling. Adam schiff shifty shifty shifty donald trump. you're shifty and you know it. So what they're calling for. Today is to subpena bill. Barr get his big fanny in their dragon back in and let's see what he had to say. Why did he insists that this continue this investigation. Continue after they knew that there was nothing fruitful. That was coming out of it in the beginning and why even did it. Why even did it take place again. A co equal branch of government and congress congressman swallow. Well as correct to say this he says every prosecutor at the department of that was involved with this should be thrown out. They should be thrown out. What are we going to do about this. We just can't brush this under the rug. it's not. It's something that every republican should want not to happen again. It's something that every democrat should want never happen again. it's something that should be bipartisan. In folks the the word. Bipartisan can't even say that donald trump did anything wrong. How are you going to strike a tone of bipartisanship in this or any other thing when republicans refuse to recognize in say. Something that he has done is wrong. I mean that's the first step if you can't acknowledge that. Donald trump in his trump justice department under bill barr did something wrong That's a problem. I mean you can't expect people to lead into govern effectively and fairly when they can't even say something's wrong in so far ron wyden senator ron. Wyden is on the record. Suggesting cracking down on the use of these gag order so when the subpoena went out to apple they were silenced. They had gag order around them so that they couldn't tell people that they were giving the information about that. They had done this. You know secrecy and silence so this gag order situation has got to change to. That's one way that you can attack it. But it's high time for merrick. Garland you know who. I had high hopes we all had high hopes. And i'm not gonna say that he's leading us down but my god it's to turn in that direction and it's time to do something about it. Get rid of these rotten apples at the department of justice. Anybody who touched this. This case should be gone. It's wrong to not fire anyone at the department of justice who had a hand this. It's absolutely wrong. They need to go plain and simple. And it's commonsense folks that if you don't enforce accountability throughout government they'll just keep doing whatever the hell they wanna do if there's no accountability why bother so it's got to be enforced. Accountability is absolutely key in this whole thing absolutely key so now we're going to get to the crackheads segment portion of the show here folks so this is some interesting stuff There is somebody evidently on tiktok named crackhead barney crackhead barney I don't know anything about crackhead barney. But she had the opportunity she or he. I'm not sure to be honest. I really don't know You'll see what i mean so cracker crackhead. Barney had this opportunity to talk to andrew giuliani. Who's running for new york governor and It just didn't go well but you know these people on tiktok. This is a lot of what they try to do that. They're going to try to antagonize and whatnot to get some views. And that's exactly what happened heavily into this. What are you running for governor for israel today. We like your daddy now. That's gonna be like your daddy. I don't know that that's a little bit of an odd question here. I mean but you know if you're running for office you're going to get these crackhead barney's come out with some of this stuff. I'm and i'm not saying that. I like you know. andrew giuliani. Don't know anything about him but the way that he handled this just Is exactly what crackhead marnie wanted. Well let's go. i love new york two. I actually want to cleaned up new york where you have israel that is respected. Hate your father. So he's trying to go into this direction where you know political you know i want to see a new york where israel is respect and then she just kind of in response to that just blurred that i hate you go crackhead go crackhead. It's your party. Can i say something. Beautiful thing about the united states. You can stand and say that fortunately in palestine you be be. Let's just say. Does anybody wanna go there. Does anybody wanna go there. Probably not my god. Oh my god I don't know How can you be a credible candidate in play into somebody named crackhead marnie. Just look to get up there. I mean you can kind of tell something's going on so then You know that that leads us into caitlyn jenner. Another one of my favorites caitlyn jenner. She was on the view and she had this to say she is still having trouble doing the calculation on the election and whether donald trump actually lost. No i agree. You've said you've settled that. Thank you for that. I wanna ask you something before we go because we're out of time something that's important for me to know you say that you're a republican and i'm just wondering because a lot of republicans in this country believe that donald trump won the election and not joe biden are you one of those people one of those republicans. I'm not gonna hit into that that election. I'm not gonna get into that. Why not color widow was it was an election. He lost the man lost. Donald trump loss newsflash news flash caitlyn and is over with i think donald trump did some good things and what i liked about. Donald trump is he. Did he work but he was. He was a disruptor when he was president. I wanna do the same thing. I want to go in and be thoughtful disruptor okay. That's the problem here. Folks is that you know they. They think now that what donald trump did as she's calling it a disruptor love the lips to by the way caitlyn. That's the new. That's the new way to do it. You've got to be a disruptor you've got to act like donald trump. it's sad but that's that's the in your face politics that got going on right now. It's not a respectful form of politics. It's not a respectful for him. ab- dialogue. It's not a way to debate dialogue. No matter what you call it but folks that's not the only thing. Remember a man named milo yiannopoulos member him the conservative. From way back. He's not that old but he's claiming that Dogs don't bark at him anymore. Since he declared this past march that he has now ex gay he is x. Gate as if there is such a thing mile. Can't pray the gay away. come on. this is ridiculous. I mean this is the same person folks who said that sexual relations between thirteen year olds and adult men and women can be perfectly consensual. There's something wrong with this man and as proof. Here's his piece where he says now that he's ex gay dogs don't bark at him. When i made my announcement. The first thing that happened which will make you laugh for. This dog stopped barking at me. I am one of those people you know. Everyone's got friend. That dokes always have surround. You go pets your chest but there's always somebody that small dog doesn't bark at you who cares dog'll you but that's okay He likes hey. Okay this is. This is the third rate Christian news that. You're getting here folks. I mean this is just. They've got nothing better to talk about than the fact that when he went ex gay. Supposedly the dogs stopped parking. God bars you must have some work to do that is true. I was one of those diets that god reveals himself to us. Right must've is somebody who in variably without exception always used to make talks. Go crazy so we have a friend. Who's a politic around down. Here right in. Her campaign manager has two little jokes okay. Well what is it the way he talks. You know i. I do this so i can look at the camera you know so i i look over my glasses. But he's like this he's sort of I just can't look up at you this. There's not something not quite right about my low. And i just can't put my finger on it and they would not stop. I couldn't be in her household and twenty minutes. Drive everybody crazy right Even growing up we had alsatians. We have black labrador and they just didn't like me. I wonder why. I wonder why but dokes at boca many more and it happened almost overnight now. They seem to quite likely and it sounds as the stupidest thing and it is allow folks. It just doesn't end. You know this the stuff out there. We've just got to keep kicking back we've got you know we're we're in the firmament the bedrock of common sense here at least that's where i like to be in it. Of course. yes it's from my viewpoint. It's i'm i'm liberal. No doubt about it. But i believe in fairness and i believe in common sense and folks. I'm gonna keep calling it out. Every time i i see him not following the the path of common sense so folks. Thanks for tuning in until next time.

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Robert Ray 2-16-20

CATS Roundtable

13:19 min | 1 year ago

Robert Ray 2-16-20

"Good Morning America. This is the cats roundtable TRONC expertise here extending Washington. What a mess. People that have been involved in the Justice Department in legal departments and in Washington. Camp believe what's going on. We're this morning is a former federal prosecutor independent counsel for Whitewater and successively can start that time Robert Ray. How're you Robert? I am well John. Good to be with you now. There's one other thing I forgot to mention. What is that Robert? I was a member of the President's defense team at impeachment during the Senate trial that is high up. Honor Beck you for reminding me. What a mess in Washington We have in the last few days in Newsweek We had a lot of developments. You WanNa start to talk about is there. You have the floor. Well sure I guess the you know. The the most difficult thing to have navigated through is the Roger Stone sentencing and something that that happened which I happen to agree with both the attorney general and the president that the sentencing recommendation that was submitted by among others four prosecutors handling his prosecution call for a sentence of between seven and nine years imprisonment which. I think struck a lot of people as being unnecessarily an unduly severe not necessarily suggesting that a sense of probation is appropriate but certainly a seven to nine year. Sentence under the circumstances seem to a lot of us as being you know well outside the what would be considered Typical for a case like this by a first offender and with no prior criminal record And someone WHO's elderly And given the facts and circumstances in the the the nature of the case so the president tweeted along the way what. His considered opinion was about both the case and the the merits of sentencing in that range. Of course that presented the Attorney General of difficulty there to step in and Which I think he has. He's indicated would have done anyway irrespective of the president's tweets but it put him in an awkward position and he nonetheless did the right thing and in effect withdrew that sentencing recommendation and came up with a recommendation of his own. Which I suspect will be one. That's more likely in line with where I think. The judge is likely to be headed. And I would expect that you you'll probably see the end of the day. Something in the neighborhood of about a thirty six month sentence but the point being disown Roger Stone never committed a crime at sixty seven years. He's never been convicted of a crime and they went down to his house but thirty forty. Fbi Men Scuba Scuba guys Guys would helicopters to arrest the guide. It's never committed. A crime is sixty seven years. Ryan struck a lot of people me included as being heavy handed. It was done because of the Muller team and the Molar Investigation believes that on the other end of Roger Stone was significant information. That could be used against the president of the United States and so they applied all the tools in the toolbox to to put pressure on him in order to induce his cooperation and the sad part is after all of what occurred. All that was done. They ended up with a perjury prosecution and then he complicated things by contacting witnesses in connection with that that prosecution which put him in you know a very much more difficult situation but it didn't change the fact that the that kind of pressure was applied to somebody that didn't have anything to give and now he's a very very long very long prison term which is Is THE PRESIDENT CORRECTLY. Recognized as problematic and unfair. I think that's really what the president is saying. The word on fair for sure. A perjury against a Congressman Schiff. That hasn't told the truth in his life and in terms of equal justice under law. It just You know it. It it rankles a for a lot of people and I'm just telling you from having done this as a federal prosecutor and had been the defense lawyer for quite some time you know if prosecutors are supposed to inflict hard blows but not foul once and struck a lot of people from the outset as being really outside. The norm and an enormous amount of pressure was applied. Frankly to get cooperation from somebody who really didn't have the ability to give it. He didn't have any information that was relevant to the investigation and that should have been something that they could have determined without the need to have gone through this whole process. Nevertheless you know look. A jury has found to the contrary The mattress before a judge. Look I think the country is going to be fine as a result of this and all the calls for you know the refusal. First and then the Impeachment resignation of the Attorney General. I think are ridiculous and overblown but I do think the attorney general during the course of the week did send a strong message that when you have sensitive matters like a sentencing before a court Where someone's liberty is at stake? It's important that the executive branch speak with one voice and I think that the president's tweets under the circumstances complicated things And probably you know with the benefit of hindsight or better left for a time. That is not so sensitive. You know matters now before a judge. Hopefully the judge will make the right call about what's fair and appropriate. Under the circumstances. I Greek now the other A Justice Department gentleman that it seems like he lied many times. I understand the Justice Department has decided not to go after him. Well now you're referring to Andrew McCabe. Who is the former number two at the at the FBI under Jim Komi and I think there's already plenty of evidence to have Found that He no longer belongs at the the FBI. And of course they result. It's now been accomplished. Because he was fired by the president. The question left remaining is whether or not he warranted prosecution I don't know the specific details about the case except to know that the Inspector General did not find him to have given credible information during the course of that investigation. But you know it's a much higher bar to prosecute somebody for false statements or Perjury in this case. False statements and I do know that false statements cases are difficult to prove. They arose in this particular situation. As a result of information that he provided to the Inspector General that was false relative to A leak investigation whether or not. They could prove that the information that he provided was knowingly false and that they could prove that beyond a reasonable doubt to the satisfaction of a jury of twelve of course as a whole nother question. And I I suspect that at the end of the day and after a pretty extensive review process they decided that they just simply didn't have enough evidence in good faith to proceed forward with that case. And that's a judgment. You have to accept whether you agree with it or not. I do think that The Department of Justice gave a you know a very considered look at it and I think if they thought they could make a case they would have made one. I think they simply at the end of the day decided. They didn't have enough evidence to proceed forward and look. That's you know that that that sometimes happens even even if you believe that the person may have committed a crime. If you don't think that you can prove it based upon the strength of the evidence unanimously beyond a reasonable doubt to a jury and then that's the case you you don't bring in you have a responsibility not to bring in a case under those before we go onto one more subject. Did we talk about that? These prosecutors were part of the Komi and Muller Contigency Rental. Sure I mean. I think that's one of the reasons that the president has been all over this because the four prosecutors involved. My understanding is that at least two of them came directly out of Bob Mueller. So you know from the President's perspective. This is an investigation. That never should've started in the first place. And you know he has some reason to be concerned about the fact that if it's an investigation that should never have started in the first place and at the end of that investigation they they chose to prosecute people and not others and Roger Stone being one of them and the reason they prosecuted was to essentially get dirt on the president. I think he has understandably upset with regard to that and wonders why somebody should be facing A prison sentence as long as seven to nine years under the circumstances so he clearly you know sounded off through tweets about you know his considered views about the merits of that case. But you know the fact remains that a jury passed on it you know. However case was brought Ultimately the check on the system is for Juries to decide guilt or innocence and you have to abide a jury Zurich. Now it's also true. That the president you know if he sees fit and determined later on after this is all over that he thinks Roger Stone's should be pardoned. That's obviously something. The president is free to do and he may. Well do that or consider that after the election one person he'll never put I understand. Michael Abba Net of Valenti Got Yeah I think that's right John. There's something we can be sure of in life and that's not gonNA happen. Got An. He was on national television for two or three weeks. The Democrats who am I was a Clinton Democrat so I have nothing against Democrats had him on national television going after Red Kettles cavenaugh and the men never did anything and it was all fraud and he just got convicted for fraud for twenty five million dollars with Nike much. Say You all I mean. Well what the heck is going on? Well the justice system works. It's sometimes works too slowly for most of us but the fact is that a jury has now determined that he engaged in fraud which means that he has absolutely no credibility whatsoever and the shame of it. All is that you know. The country was treated to several large doses of this guy on national television and You know like a lot of things that happened on. Msnbc AND CNN with paid contributors and otherwise you know he was the talk of the town for a period of time because it aligned with the political agendas of of certain people and someone like that You know who doesn't deserve to have any credibility can cause a whole lot of damage and that's precisely what happened so you know. I don't know about just desserts but I it's a reminder to us all to be very careful about people who just you know pop up out of the woodwork and all of a sudden claim that You know they have information that is relevant to something that becomes important in the political domain. Where You know both sides are pressing hard To a result and You know he almost derailed the justice cabin on nomination APPs that is correct and it was all of fraud and I'm not sure if anybody can investigate piece a senators and Congress people that that brought them in front of everybody and for weeks and weeks and just my boggling. What goes on in Washington senators for the future about being careful. You know what information you rely on. Just because I it's it you know in in accordance with a political result that you would like you have to be really careful about making certain that the information that you've you know you find along the way is in fact credible from a credible source that is worthy of your attention and worthy of the public relying on and to do otherwise. Frankly you know gets us into situations just like what we found ourselves in. And that's clearly not in the public interest or in the best interest of the country and we need to spam on both sides of the political. Divide thinking more about what's right and what's in the best interest of the country and rather you know what is our in our immediate political interest Robert Rate. Thank you so much for coming on and respecting the justice system of our country and trying to get to the truth all the time and that's one of the most important things we have in our country of absolutely it is thank you sir. Very very much pleased to be with. He was always pack you. We'll catch up again. This is the round table. We'll be right back.

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Congressman Bill Johnson: CDC has been politicized; Director has "no clue"

Tom Roten Morning Show

21:50 min | 2 months ago

Congressman Bill Johnson: CDC has been politicized; Director has "no clue"

"This welcome back to the program. Us congressman bill. Johnson republican from ohio district six. Good morning good morning tom. How are you my friend. I don't find one fine up. You're off your air. Conditioning is working because it is hot. Yeah yeah he's working good right now. in Hopefully stay that way with this heat. it has been pretty warm You were down here in In our tristate area Recently at In lawrence county over at the point industrial park is that right. I was i was i I had several stops in lawrence county that day but the big one was at the At the point The industrial part. There where we Participated in the groundbreaking for a for a new building. That's going to attract even more businesses and opportunities for lawrence county it. It was a great great day Very exciting what's happening there. You know. I can remember when i first visited the point April twenty first two thousand eleven and And you look at the transformation that has occurred there over the last ten years and the progress that they have made Real kudos to the lawrence county Economic opportunity development coalition The dc and that team. They've done a great job very proud to to play a small role and helping get this. This done what. What's the business that that was breaking ground there. Well it's a. It's a building They they got the funding to build the building now. They've got to get businesses in there and they've got a I can't give you the the names of the businesses. I don't have that right in front of me. But they got a number of businesses. That are looking to come in there. And why is that. It's because you know property. Values are low I mean real. Estate is affordable energy costs or affordable. the workforce is Is skilled up and ready to go. That's a hard working Part of our Of our country So there are a lot of reasons why businesses find it attractive to go in there. So i have no doubt that they're gonna be right back at the trough looking to build another building in In pretty short order they'll fill that one well. Speaking of building The one trillion dollar infrastructure bill passed the senate yesterday. Nineteen republicans twenty democrats to prove that sixty nine thirty measure and you know infrastructure on the surface. Sounds pretty good. I mean when we think about bridges and roads and and even broadband and you know the The other things for the utilities and so forth that That need to be rebuilt and replaced but That's probably about ten percent of this bill from what i'm being told and And we're seeing a lot of waste a lot of things that really have nothing to do with infrastructure in this bill dahm. I'm i'm i'm hearing a little bit different numbers but but your point is well made the majority of that bill has little to do with infrastructure. it is a bipartisan bill. There are You know there are some Nineteen around nineteen Republicans that voted for that infrastructure. Bill and You know i it is it. We're going to be going back on the twenty third of Of august to vote on this. There's some good stuff in it. You mentioned some of them. Things like broadband Some roads and bridges funding. But when you take a closer look at it A majority of the money for things like mass transit programs that benefit big blue metropolitan cities doesn't help Folks out in eastern and southeastern ohio and west virginia very much at all and and the bottom line. Tom is that this kind of spending. is unsustainable. I mean there is more than one trillion dollars in kobe's relief money that the federal government has not even been able to get out the door yet. How in the world are they gonna get this additional five hundred plus billion The total of one trillion out the door now beats the hell out of me some of the other things. I'm seeing here. Four hundred billion dollars for home based care for elderly and disabled. I mean that sounds nice but that's not infrastructure You see Two hundred and thirteen billion for home sustainability in public housing Hundred seventy four billion for electric vehicles and then there's this talk about This To to track mileage If you looked into that. I mean what is that about. I gotta look into that That sounds like a use tax to me. Yes oh who's that going to hurt. That's going to hurt people that live in regions like we live tom. That have to drive. You know a half an hour to get to the grocery store or to go check on mom and dad Or to or to go to the doctor or even to get to work. So you know a tracking mileage and a use tax is That's going to be difficult for people in in regions of the country. Like where we live. So in addition to the one trillion dollar infrastructure bill passed with with nineteen republicans And that whole thing was tied into this spending package which you all the reports say three and a half trillion I just got a release here from senator capito who she voted for the infrastructure. Bill but she's voting against the the Spending bill she says in her release. It's four point two trillion dollars So whatever it is it's way too much and it's not sustainable to continue to have this type of spending The the concern here is even though the republicans didn't vote for this and that vote just took place about four hours ago Is there anything that republicans can do to stop this. Well well you know first of all we need to separate these two. The the infrastructure bill is a piece of legislation that has to pass both the house and the senate and then it signed into law by the president. The budget reconciliation package Never makes it to the president's desk it is a non binding resolution. That's that's the way. The budget process works. But what it does do is that it authorizes congress to spend that three point five or that. Four point two trillion. Whatever whatever it is that you wanna you wanna talk about nancy. Pelosi has said she's going to tie those two together so republicans. That might like some of the things that they see in the infrastructure package Are going to be facing a very difficult decision. Because they're going to also have to vote at the same time in the in the same vote If she gets her way on this massive massive budget reconciliation package. And i don't know how deep into the details. You wanna get this morning tom. But but there's a few things that that we probably need to clarify you know This is bernie sanders budget resolutions. And we know bernie. Sanders wants bernie sanders. Wants medicare for all. He wants to green new deal. He wants to green energy Act that's gonna throttle our ability to harvest our own natural resources chuck schumer and the senate called this a generational transformation because what. It really did tom. What it really did. Was it It unlocked that threshold. You've heard many times. You and i've talked about the filibuster you know. The filibuster is a sixty both threshold. Sixty senators have to vote to allow legislation to even come to the senate floor to be considered. The budget resolution does not fit into that same category. It it it doesn't eliminate the The filibuster but it basically unlocks the ability to pass legislation in the senate on a simple majority vote fifty one and in this case. That's what happened yesterday. Fifty to forty nine. That's how they got it across the finish line so this is basically one party rule and we have to hope and pray at this point because nancy pelosi is likely to have the votes in the house to pass this budget resolution Reconciliation i can tell you right now. It's a big hell no for me. I'm not going to vote for him. And i don't know of any of my republican colleagues and ohio or west. Virginia that would vote for it either but but she's going to twist the arms of her democrat members and she's gonna force them to vote for this thing And we have to hope and pray that the senate parliamentarian who was supposed to enforce the rule associated with this budget reconciliation. It's not supposed to allow policy in it. But i'm hearing things like medicare for all the green new deal. I'm even hearing that. Amnesty is in this Is in this budget reconciliation So we've got some. We've got some real concerns here. I think i don't agree with chuck schumer on much. But i think he's right. I think i think the democrats are executing a generational transformation. They're basically eliminating republican input to our spending programs With with Budget reconciliation measures like this and it is absolutely unsustainable. Yeah absolutely. I agree with that if if this Senate parliamentarian. I mean that's a human being. They can make the wrong decision and they say well. You know in spite of the green new deal in spite of amnesty in spite all this policy. That's in this reconciliation We're still going to allow it to to go through With with no filibuster then Then is there any other Challenge to that i mean. Can you take that to the supreme court to challenge it. Well you know we're we're in unchartered territory there. I don't know that the house of representatives or the republicans in the house Could could challenge something like that. In the courts. What it comes down to. Tom is is november of twenty. Two cannot get here soon enough To put nancy pelosi into retirement for good and And to regain a majority in the senate so that we can hold this biden administration in check I'm i'm very concerned about the amount of spending and i will tell you You know that at the end of the day They they will probably vote for this stuff. Because nancy pelosi is going to twist her members arms. But i can tell you. There are democrats in the house. Because i've spoken to them. That are very very upset and concerned about the position that they are being put in and having to vote for. These massive spending bills They to know that we're on the wrong path and this is unsustainable But but their leadership has got the pedal to the metal and they are just they are just screaming toward these liberal policies. Well and then politically speaking as far as their re election strategy. Nancy pelosi is giving them the rope to hang themselves. I mean some of these democrats come from red states that states that support donald trump They really can't afford to to be seen having voted for the some of this socialist south. Oh yeah yeah and we saw the first of what is probably going to be. Many democrat retirements Announced yesterday ron kind Representative ron kind. I can't off the top of my head. Remember which state he's from but he announced that he is not going to be seeking reelection in twenty two. And and you're probably going to see a number of those between redistricting That redraws district lines and putting her members and a very very tough place forcing them to vote for legislation in opposition to how their their constituents feel and believe It's it's going to be i i don't see snowball's chance in you know what that nancy pelosi remains the speaker in twenty twenty two but we can't take that for granted we gotta work hard to make sure that happens. There's a lot of rumor that she's going to announce her retirement after the midterm election to well we hope so we hope so. We hope to give real good reason to do that. well when you when you look at all this May just it's easy for a conservative to lose hope And then you think about. And i know what you're talking about. Let's run out the clock until until we can get some conservatives in congress and and take back over the house take over the senate and you know. I know that's the plan for twenty twenty two but if you don't have confidence in the election process anymore and a lot of people don't because of what happened in twenty twenty There just seems like there's a lot of almost depression for a lot of conservatives. Right now yeah. And i want to try to encourage everybody tom. Because because you're right. I get that too especially when i'm out and about in my district and i try to remind people you know our our vote. Our fundamental right to vote is is foundational to our system and the media and the liberals would like nothing more than two so the seeds of dissension and make us believe that our elections are not credible. Look our system is not perfect. But i'll take our system over any other system in the world. Did it reveal some flaws in twenty in the twenty twenty election absolutely did and the people in the state of georgia and the people in the state of arizona. Have already begun as you know. Revamping their voting laws To tighten up the rules to make sure that what happened in those states does not happen again in in twenty In twenty twenty two look. Republicans need to turn out in massive numbers. Republicans and conservatives cannot shrink down and hide in the shadows and think that it doesn't matter that our vote doesn't count because tom it does it absolutely does our voices matter and we've got to stay at it and and i've mentioned this on your show before you know. The only good thing about a woman is when it stops. And if you're the one getting the weapon you wanted to stop soon it's all relative and right now conservatives in this country feel like they're getting a weapon and And and we've got to turn this ship around we've got to go back and remember the the administration. Before the first republican president the buchanan administration was much. Like i'm just drawing in an allergy was very much like the biden administration. They spent money like drunken sailors. They emptied the coffers president. Lincoln had no money when he came into office to try and build his administration to put together an army to stave off. What what he knew or feared might be coming with the civil war and Look we we will overcome this. But the only way we overcome at as conservatives as republicans is to stick together even democrats even democrats know that we're on the wrong path and you're seeing many democrats and they come up to me every day in eastern and southeastern ohio saying look. I don't go along with this stuff. You've got my support. We need to change the direction of our country. So let's let's let's continue to believe in the fundamental Concepts of our system everybody needs to go out and vote. We can't let the media and the liberals convince us that our elections don't matter because they do congressman schiff topics here before we let you go about the The corona virus and americans were told early on january february march. April may june if you get the You get the vaccine. You're not going to have to wear the mask. You're going to be able to live in freedom all this stuff and now we see that that's simply has not been the case. The cdc has been changing their guidelines constantly and and now people whether they're vaccinated or unvaccinated. Having to wear masks kids going back to school having to wear mask in many cases and And they're not able to live the in the way that they thought they were going to be able to. They got the vaccine. And then you put on top of that. The number of people. And i know several people in ohio west virginia kentucky who have gotten the vaccine and yet they've gotten covert on top of that. Yeah tom. We're we're again in berry. Unchartered territory. I will tell you that. The fundamental rights of the american people to make a choice About whether to wear a mask about whether to take the vaccine That's gotta be enforced And that's got to be respected We live in a free country and And and i think a government mandate Another lockdown sort of situation if you will requiring mass masks and That are in defiance by the way of the science. And the cdc guidelines by the way the cdc has been politicized. I don't think the current director of the cdc has a has a clue about what she's doing And some of the statements that she has made are Are outrageous and so i. I'm very concerned about About the leadership at the cdc right now but but i stand firmly on believing that the rights of the american people to to take the vaccine or tonight take the vaccine or to wear a mask We that should not be mandated by By government officials. Yeah hopefully not hopefully not. But we're seeing it in in some case. Certainly for you know. The colleges vast majority of colleges and universities are requiring this and That's very concerning. There's some people that that it's not even a choice. I mean in. In some cases there doctor has told him not to get the vaccine. Well and that and see. That's what i go down to That's where it falls down to me is is. It's a decision between a person and their physician You know some people have health conditions that would make it very very difficult for them To take the vaccine. I'm not a physician. I can't tell you what those Those conditions are but i can tell you that they exist and and i think every american needs to consult with their physician and make a determination whether the vaccine is right for them. I think anybody that can take the vaccine should consider doing that. I think it is a good thing. We've got the best scientific and medical experts in the world and i think the development of the vaccines was was a scientific Marvel in the in the speed at which they were developed And i noticed. The or fda has not granted full authorization full approval for the vaccines. Yet that's on the way but But but tom You know we. We've gotta we've gotta put a little bit of common sense into this. And i think every american is smart enough to make the decision between themselves and their doctors about whether they'll take this night scene or not agree sir. Thank you so much for for coming on a really appreciate it. Good to talk to you again. Good to talk to you. Tom have a great day. All right you too Congressman bill johnson from ohio district. Six this is the. Tom wrote morning show.

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Senators sworn in for Trump impeachment trial

Global News Podcast

31:29 min | 1 year ago

Senators sworn in for Trump impeachment trial

"This is the global news podcast from the BBC World Service. I'm James Reynolds and in the early hours of Friday. The seventeenth of January. These are our main stories president. Trump's impeachment trial has formerly begun in the US Senate with the lead prosecutor saying that the president should be barred awed from holding public office for abusing his power. Mr Trump's revised North American trade deal has been approved by the Senate with support from both Republicans and Democrats. Study has estimated. sepsis kills twice as many people around the world as previously thought making it a bigger killer then cancer sir also in this podcast. The anti-doping team turned up unannounced at the training camp in Kapsabet in the west of Kenya. And guess what happened next. Atop Kenyan athlete quickly climbed through window and jumped a fence to evade the officials. We begin in Washington with words which have been spoken about a president just three times in American history. Harry I hear you. All persons are commanded to keep silent on paying imprisonment while the House of Representatives is exhibiting to the Senate of the United States the articles of impeachment against Donald John Trump president of the United States with this announcement the impeachment of President Donald Trump moved to its decisive stage. A trial in the Senate just a couple of hours earlier congressman Adam Schiff. A member of the Lower House entered the Senate along with his fellow. Oh Democratic prosecutors Mr Schiff read aloud. The articles of impeachment they accuse the president of abuse of power and obstruction of Congress. Mr Mr Trump is accused of violating the constitution by pressing Ukraine to investigate his main political rival the former Democratic vice president Joe Biden. Mr Trump has denied abusing his power and obstructing Congress but Congressman Schiff said that no president had ever sought to impede an impeachment investigation so so thoroughly. President trump by such conduct has demonstrated that he will remain a threat to national security and the constitution if if allowed to remain in office and has acted in a manner grossly incompatible with self governance and the rule of law president trump thus warrants impeachment and trial removal from office and disqualification to hold and enjoy any office of Honor Trust or Prophet under the United States. Congressman Adam Schiff then a crowded and tense Senate waited for the Chief Justice John Roberts to be sworn into preside over the trial before he in turn would administer the same oath to the one hundred senators who will hear the evidence. I spoke to our Washington correspondent Gary Harry O'Donoghue as he was following the events in the US Senate and I began by asking him first to put the whole event into historical context. Third time this has ever happened. Since since the founding of the Republic you going back to the late seventeen eighty s until the first President of this country George Washington took office There have been into since then Andrew Johnson in eighteen sixties Bill Clinton in the nineteen nineties. Neither of those was removed from officers a result of their impeachment mm-hmm and we're not expecting donald trump either to be removed office but nonetheless a hugely historical moment for the senators for the house for the country. We saw those articles delivered earlier James and it was sort of solemn I thought as a pretty solemn spine tingling moment quite frankly you know the. The Americans don't do pump circumstance in that kind of way in parliamentary in parliamentary terms. But this was one of those moments where they did a now as you say we will go through the process where the chief chief justice of the Supreme Court is transformed from chief justice into the man who presides over this trial in the in the sort of chair of the Senate and he who swear in all those senators but don't don't be kitted because looks like a trial looks like a criminal process. But it's political gary. Just picking up on that point you. And when I both following events in the Senate the chief justice of the United States John G Roberts has just walked in. He's wearing his black gown. He's now taking the two or three steps up to the DASS where he will meet the president pro tempore of the Senate Senator Chuck Grassley. They look like they're about to take that oath of office. Both of them have pieces of paper in front of them. I wonder if we can hear what they have to say. Senators I attend the Senate in conformity with your notice for the purpose of joining with you for the trial of the president of the United States. States I am now prepared to take the oath. Will you pay your left hand on the Bible. Raise your right hand do you solemnly swear that in all things appertaining to the trial of the impeachment of Donald John Trump president of the United States now pending you will do impartial justice according to the Constitution the laws. So help you God I do. The chief justice is now about to swear the senators. At this time I will administer the the oath to all senators in the chamber in conformance with article. One section three clause six of the constitution and the Senate's impeachment rules. We'll all senators now stand remain standing and raise their right hand. Do you solemnly swear that in all things appertaining to the trial of the impeachment I Donald John Trump president of the United States now pending you will do impartial justice according to the Constitution and laws. So help you God the clerk will have now been sworn in those sentences. Gary that is a moment of history is quite something isn't it really is quite something to hear that unfolding as we speak on the floor of the Senate the chief justice this seeming chat and of course the big question about him is. What kind of chair will he be really be an activist charity? Be a pacifist. He can make some judgments about evidence and he can make some judgments. It's about rules but he is still subject votes of the Senate if if there's a dispute if one side wants something to happen another side doesn't want it to happen in this trial. Then they simply vote like politicians and fifty one. Votes gets your way and overalls. Whatever John Roberts wants to say about it so this amazing using hybrid process that we've got really built into the constitution by the founding? Fathers is not an accident they wanted it to be a quays ilegal legal but political process because they knew the stakes were very high. Gary O'Donoghue in Washington a short time after these proceedings President Trump speaking in the Oval Office of the White House said that he predicted his impeachment. Trial would not take long and again. He dismissed the abuse of power charges against him as a hoax. Wchs I can only tell you this thing is a hoax. It's a big house. We call it. This is the current hoax. We've gone through the Russian which we've gone through a lot of them as we heard earlier president trump's dealings with Ukraine light right at the heart of the impeachment trial but the government in Kim has remained largely silent about what it did or didn't know about contacts between Mr Trump and his aides and presence landscape but in a surprise move on i Ukraine started a criminal investigation into allegations of illegal use surveillance of the former American ambassador in Kiev Marie. Ivanovich join officia in Kiev toge in Marshall more about those allegations on Tuesday text messages or WHATSAPP messages to be precise were released in the United States between an associate of president. Trump's personal lawyer Rudy Giuliani. So the mining question is called left pawn us and a trump supporter and in those text messages. It appears Pretty clearly suggest that the movements of the woman who was ause until May of last year the US ambassador here in Kiev had been monitored that they were basically those messages updates on her whereabouts on has security not details and even some of them seemed to rather darkly suggest about the possibilities of what money can buy you in Ukraine. Almost as if there was some sort of assassination plots plot so the publication of those messages in the United States led to this announcement from the Interior Ministry hearing Kiev. They will be carrying out their their own investigation that they believe potentially a crime may have been committed on Ukrainian soil which warns them taking having take them taking a look at it and they have asked for a support from the United States in trying to look into. What sort of crime? Journa- well what they are saying. Is that the surveillance of diplomat because Maria Vich was the. US ambassador. ACIDY here is a violation of Ukrainian law and also of the international conventions which relate to how diplomats are treated when they are in countries. So those were the two things that were state of Interior Ministry. I think some eyebrows raised here. That is the interior ministry getting involved here. Not The perhaps the natural branch which of government that would be launching an investigation like this so there are question marks over a almost always. That's the case here. In Ukraine question marks over the motives of the various parts parts branches of government When they do things but for now the interior ministry says the IT will be leading that investigation? It'll be interesting to see what sort of cooperation they get from The United States. Because of course Marie Ivanovich she works for the State Department. The United States so far from the American side There seems to have been very little interest into looking into the allegations which she has made in the past in fact She left him because his security was at risk. John Official in Kiev in avenues the US Senate has approved a new updated trade deal with Canada and Mexico sending it to president trump to be signed into law more from our North America. Business correspondent Michelle Flurry. This replaces the North American Free Trade Agreement or NAFTA A twenty five year old deal that reduced trade barriers. Mr Mr Trump made repealing nafta a signature promise of his campaign he along with other critics have long blamed the pack for encouraging. US companies to move them manufacturing actress plants south of the border to take advantage of low wage Mexican laborers to win approval for the US. Canada Mexico Trade Agreement. The trump administration work with Democrats to hold Mexican companies to environmental standards and hiring practices. More in line with US regulations. Michelle fleury foreign ministers from countries who citizens died on the plane shot down by Iran. Last week met on Thursday and demanded that Tehran accept full responsibility. The team and then provide compensation for victims families. The meeting took place at Canada House in London. From where diplomatic correspondent James Robbins reports. It's because Iran initially lied to its own people and the outside world with emphatic denials. That missile strike brought down Ukrainian Boeing the level of anger when some of the truth started to emerge was magnified off to Iran itself. Canada suffered the greatest loss of its own nationals. Sixty three of the one hundred seventy six men women and children who died so it was the Canadian Foreign Minister Who Chad this first meeting of nations who lost citizens listens to agree to demands. They expect Iran to meet. Those demands. Include a victim identification process conducted with dignity according to international it'll standards a thorough independent and transparent investigation of the disaster. That Iran assumes full responsibility for the downing of the flight and pays proper what compensation to the bereaved and crucially a demand that those responsible a held to account through an independent criminal investigation and then impartial social judicial proceedings which conform to international standards Canada's Foreign Minister Francois Felix Chopin was blunt. They are many many questions families. Wong answers all of the countries assemble ear today long and serves the world is waiting for those answers and we will not rest until we get them. But the five countries represented also deliberately encouraged Iranian cooperation by welcoming what they called. Iran's engagement to date there is an awareness that Iran is facing a huge range range of pressures from inside and outside the country and that it's in the midst of an acute international crisis including the slow collapse of the two thousand fifteen nuclear nuclear deal with Iran which was intended to limit its ability to develop a nuclear weapon. So how should the outside world interpret an apparent warning from from President Ruhani that the country is now enriching more uranium than before twenty fifteen. Nuclear Agreement was made that does not necessarily they mean that Iran is closer to potential bomb than it was back then after all the country had to surrender. Stocks of highly enriched uranium as part of the deal but it could get closer than ever before so finding some way of changing Iranian behavior through negotiations or otherwise remains lanes a very high priority. James Robbins. sepsis is now a bigger killer than cancer worldwide. That's according to a new study report on Sepsis which has been published in the medical journal the launch it claims that the condition caused just under a fifth of all deaths worldwide in two thousand seventeen seen a health corespondent. Jim Gallagher. Toby what Sepsis is eight nearly always triggered by an infection. What sepsis is it? The immune system over reacting into the infection so your immune system goes into overdrive and he starts releasing chemicals the bloodstream and that starts damaging the body. So you can get organ failure and ultimately people can die you can kill us exact easily and it can happen quite quickly. Yes and the thing is even. If it doesn't kill you can leave you with lifelong. Long disability is easily treatable a can be treated. It depends on what state. You're catching so if you give somebody antibiotics or antivirals. Then you're treating the underlying infection and that can lead to the not quite having as much to react to in that calms everything down to specific conditions such as childbirth. The top two or actually to diseases diarrheal diseases and respectfully diseases so diseases of the lung other two biggest triggers of sepsis but there are a whole host of other on so if you're in a car crushing have open wounds that can lead to Sepsis and the thing about childbirth. Is You know. There's a lot of open wounds as a major area of major. Did you risk of infection. So yes if you have an infection as a result of that been yes that can be another one of those triggers of Sepsis. What stands out to you in this report? The numbers the numbers responding. So we've fought that there around about five million people die from sepsis every year. This study says No. It's not it's more than double. That is eleven million deaths the year now vast twice as many as people twice as many as people will we underestimating it. Why because we did that little thing that so many studies tentative to do and they didn't look at the whole of the world they looked at a couple of well no no cup about seven richer richer countries in the world and extrapolated that to everybody else will they missed was the fact? The sepsis is an absolutely massive problem in the poorest countries in the world where they don't have the best access to healthcare when you start factoring that into the equations so this study he looked at one hundred and nine hundred five countries rather than seven or eight Bam eleven million deaths a year. Fifty million people getting sepsis every year and just eleven million figure okay. That's one in five of all deaths caused by Sepsis James Gallagher now news of another podcast from the BBC World Service. What do I most successful? Innovators think about the inventions. 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Yeah I've ever heard my whole life such for worldwide web wherever you got your podcast scrolling experience in being could ever have now back to this podcast. A new United Nations report says that millions of children in Syria area are continuing to face. Desperate conditions nearly nine years after the war began the UN commission of inquiry on Syria says that some children have been publicly you put to death. Palo Bonito is the chairman of the inquiry boy as young as six have been recruited to participate in a series by warring parties while rape and sexual have been used against girls and boys to punish humiliate and still in detention. Shouldn't have I've been used confession from their parents. Subjected to torture and ill-treatment it is against this background. That Syrians caught up in the conflict. eager to get the latest news and information. Many of them used to rely on a small independent and politically neutral Syrian radio. Station that once broadcast in-exile from Istanbul but radio one was forced to close when the trump administration made the decision in two thousand eighteen to cancel two hundred million dollars of funding for for serious stabilization projects. Some of the radio station stuff have scattered across Europe in search of work and those who have remained in Turkey say they now feel feel vulnerable following the Turkish offensive in northeast Syria. Emma Jane Kirby has been speaking to some X.. Radio our broadcasters. In Istanbul take a metro station. Students through from Istanbul Tourist Center Taxation Square where SAAMI Army Radio Al once former executive manager has just been pulled over by the Turkish beliefs to have his papers checked. It's just routine control when you're Syrian in Turkey these days semi well you have to be on your guard officer so my my residents. I knew that I'm seriously something. I didn't understand that when he finished checking he said in Turkish and English like Syria finished so I didn't know what that means and I said nothing and I went on now. The tension is with Syrians. So I try to keep a low profile like avoiding speaking Arabic and public transportation's or texting in Arabic if the recent Turkish invasion of Kurdish Kurdish held territory in northern Syria has complicated already chaotic war. It's also made things much more difficult for Syrian asylum seekers like the radio I'll one journalists. With whom only have tourist visas which have to be renewed each year twenty-seven-year-old Meriem used to work as the station's Sion's youth presenter will we don't feel like quite settled here not like we used to be. The tuition has something to do with it. I mean the beef beef between late two in Turkey and Syria can Europe. And like all of that. It's not really helpful. Do you ever feel frightened. Afraid Yeah actually of course behavior through rough. WHO's in charge of social media at radio? One cuts in. She tells me that when she. I arrived as a refugee in Turkey. She was treated as a welcome guest. Now she feels she's looked at as the source of all Turkey's troubles the next part out of her conversation. She directed the floor now. Share and you have the inequality him. I've always wanted to be a mom. She confesses my my husband and I have dreamed of having a son. But I've stopped myself thinking about it now because when you don't belong anywhere when you have nowhere safe to bring up a child and is it really fair to push your dream. Chicken chicken curry is the radio. One of course connected. It's exiled staff to whom but after briefly visiting Damascus last year. No one from the team felt whom a tour almost nine years of civil war. Sesame Asami has left his former university town unrecognizable. It was not the same place that I left. I don't consider it home to have a place to call home attest to be safe. I don't feel safe in Syria Helen. I'm bedrock you throw for Phoenix. RAV tries to go back back to Damascus. Every year to see her family that with each visit she tells me she sees something more repulsive. I never ever thought I would leave my beloved Damascus. She says but now all I care about is getting my family out of there. Radio one wasn't just a new station it even had its own soap. Opera sat hat northern lights complete with its own theme tune and to contemporary storyline which tracked and mirrored the horrors of the Syrian war with no more funding nding season. Free was never written so I asked the team how they match in the next episode would pan out exit editor. Knock any high outside the definitely. There'll be a happy ending says Ra- half and one hundred percent. There will eventually be a happy ending for everyone in Syria. That reports by imaging Kirby in Turkey in Kenya a top athlete has run away from a training camp in order to evade anti-doping officials who'd come to do a test. The case comes as Kenya. Struggles to deal with a growing number of athletes who've been sanctioned for doping violations will Ross reports what's the anti-doping team turned up and announced the training camp in Kapsabet in the west of Kenya after realizing who the visitors were. The athlete jumped through window unbolted over a fence. Presumably faster than any officials could have managed if they tried Barnaba career of athletics. Kenya confirmed the incident but did not give the run on his name. He or she is still likely to be punished. Mr Career said athletes. Who knows that guilty Phil? They have no choice than fleeing from. The testers will Ross us now to the United States and a television presenter that has apologized after appearing to mow the actor Joaquin Phoenix for a scar on his upper lip. Wendy Williams was accused of insulting people with a cleft palate whilst discussing the actors appearance she said and this is a quote when he shaves off his moustache. He's got a hairline fracture. He's got one of those cleft lip cleft palate. The presenter then pulled up her own top lip saying I I find it to be very attractive. The audience then Loft Wendy. Williams was strongly criticised before writing on twitter that she wanted to apologize to the cleft community. T. W. spoke to people who were born with the condition mandy is in Maryland in the US and chloe is in Ontario in Canada. First Mandy. Well I was born with cleft palate and a cleft lip cleft palate is an opening in the roof of your mouth and the cleft lip is more of a split down on the front of your mouth some people have what they call it about a bilateral cleft palate would like to slick down your nostrils but I only have one and chloe really I understand you have a similar condition. How does that affect you in terms of how people perceive you and treat you well from a very young age? I've I've had to deal with a lot of criticisms That like through school and just in regards to the scar that I have and it affects. Ex- you know the way my nose looks and it. It's been hard since a young age. Having to you know feel a little bit like the odd one out and stuff just for. It's something that happened at birth and I'm I'm assuming you're aware of what happened with Wendy Williams. How did you find out about it? And how did you react well. I was on twitter. Her and I saw I saw the video of her holding holding her lip up and I was kinda shocked because usually that's the type of the thing that I'm used to seeing from children in you know when I would go to school and stuff so it was kinda surprising to see that from from another adult and then to see the the crowded laughing at it as well mandated that Surprise you or shock you. It shocked me a lot and chloe Louis I completely understand where you're coming from when I saw the video. Exactly what takes us to do to me even some adult. Unfortunately I'm thirty nine years old and I still get a lot of dares and questions which are fine. But sometimes people don't know how to approach it the correct way but as is a child. I was made fun of a lot a lot of nicknames and I've gone through therapy even for Really sad how can be very curl Mandy in Maryland. A Spanish billionaire art collector has been sentenced to eighteen months in jail and fined fifty eight million dollars Solas for trying to smuggle a castle out of Spain to sell at Auction Hymie Boutin. Who's eighty-three will forfeit? The work head of young woman which has has been declared a national treasure his your regional editor. Mike Saunders. Coming Boutin is one of the Spain's richest men from the Santander banking dynasty. According Accordin Madrid heard that he bought the Picasso in Nineteen Seventy seven and contacted the auction house. Christie's in two hundred twelve. They're advised him that he did an export certificate in view. The work's importance as a milestone on the way to cubism. Instead he started in super yachts where it was seized by French. Customs of course occur in two thousand fifteen. The verdict means that the painting was an estimated twenty nine million dollars become Spanish state property. Mr Boutin can appeal. Mike Saunders now do you remember this eighty four charing cross road. London England. Gentlemen your ad says that you specialize in out of print brooks. I require a book of love with Spring Coming. Ours is sending by posting Sunday. Nikki Book Your Skates. FPU marks an excerpt from the nineteen eighty seven film. Eighty four charing cross road about a love fat between two people who never met in Nineteen forty-nine a struggling neo writer. Helen Hanff with a love of fine old books responds to an ad placed by an antiquarian bookshop in London. Well seventy one years later interest in such items lives on on the British author. Neil GAIMAN has said. He's delighted that he was able to help a second hand bookshop in the south of England to attract a whole host of new customers. The owner took to social media to lament that because of stormy weather Tuesday had ended without the shop selling eight single book that led to an appeal by the right right to his legions of fans and authors started flooding in online. Our correspondent Duncan Kennedy has been finding out more. The petersfield bookshop is where quaint mates quirky established a hundred years ago. It's a warrant of shelves stocking everything from Churchill Bill to chaplain but last Tuesday. It didn't see a single customer. All Day lead the shop to put out a full-on tweet. which shred tumbleweed? Not a single book sold today Zero Pounds. We think this may be the first time ever. The message message was spotted by bestselling author. Neil Gaiman he then re tweeted it to his two point seven million followers. The book shopowner John Westwood Says Orders then came pouring in some of them inverness rung. Not Miss I want to spend ten pounder boogie to send it to get France Song. I'm from California. Wants to donate fifty dollars and it's just the love for books you cannot be touched from become like Ho- fans. The shop has is going from zero to one hundred books day being sold. They've had to take on volunteers to help you customers. Who sold the tweet been arriving all day? A A second hand bookshop an anti-crime bookshop like this is a treasure trove of amazing things. Family bookshops means so much more than just any. Oh bookshop denies. It's just amazing. The different things that have an independent shops like this have had to compete with everything from e books to Amazon whilst they can't always as be busy on a wet January afternoon this one like all the best books really has captured the imagination and that report by. Mike Duncan Kennedy Right. That reminds me. I must write to the Petersfield bookshop. Own Adam I wonder if you have the following book fly-fishing by J R. Hardly in the meantime that's all from us for now but that will be an updated version of the global news. podcast later if you want to comment on this podcast or the topics covered in it you can send us an email. The address is global podcast. What cost at BBC dot co Dot? UK on James Reynolds until next time goodbye.

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White House, senators in talks to finalize bipartisan infrastructure bill

The Last Word with Lawrence O'Donnell

46:19 min | 2 months ago

White House, senators in talks to finalize bipartisan infrastructure bill

"In order to support our show. We need the help. Great advertisers and we want to make sure those advertisers are ones. You actually wanna hear about but we need to learn a little more about you to make that possible so go to survey dot com slash last hyphen word and take a quick anonymous survey. That will help us get to know you better that way. We can bring on advertise. You won't wanna skip. Once you've completed the quick survey you can enter for chance to win a hundred dollars amazon gift card terms and conditions. Apply again this pod survey dot com slash last hyphen word. Thanks for your help well. This week is infrastructure week in washington and that infuriates donald trump because in the biden presidency infrastructure week actually means working on infrastructure legislation in the trump presidency infrastructure. Week was a constant joke. A bipartisan group of senators have been working on the details of evidence structure built for a month now after they reached agreement on what they called the basic framework of that legislation one month ago in a meeting president biden at the white house. There they are after that meeting up there in the white house driveway. Now it's not unusual at all for it to take at least a month or more to figure out the details of such legislation after you've established the general shape of it and then get all of that into precise legislative language and after weakened of work. It seemed like today might actually be the day that the bipartisan group could bring their bill to the senate floor through majority leader. Chuck schumer and begin debate. Here is what he lied. Republican negotiator senator rob portman said yesterday. We're about ninety percent of the way there. I'm here this weekend working legislative language with colleagues and was staff. And i feel good about getting that done this week. We have one issue outstanding and were not getting much Response democrats hundreds about mass transit. Our transit number is very generous. We increase transit in this proposal. We also increase the formula going forward. That's that's the one issue outstanding. Frankly at this point my hope is that we'll see progress on that yet today if true if that was true and they were really down to just that one issue rob portman. Portman was right to be confident yesterday that they would have a deal today but the first thing this morning as democrats republicans seemed very close to reaching a deal. Donald trump delivered a message to republican senators in public written statement saying don't do the infrastructure deal and as the day wore on with no progress in the negotiations this afternoon. Senate majority leader chuck. Schumer went to the senate floor to try to energize the process. I want to be very clear. I am fully committed to passing a bipartisan infrastructure. Bill as a majority leader. I have the ability to move to reconsider the vote to begin debate that bill this week but senator schumer had to acknowledge the new voice in the negotiations today just morning former president trump released a statement urging republicans to retreat from all bipartisan negotiations on infrastructure until after the midterm elections in twenty twenty two. Maybe longer again. The former president said this morning that republicans are weak fools and losers his words for even talking to democrats and suggested that the republicans should not negotiated all unless they're in the majority fox news personalities following his lead are now encouraging primaries for republican senators who supported by partisan infrastructure deal. We always knew this wisconsin. As soon as the bipartisan general agreement was announced a month ago we noted then that it would seem very easy for mitch mcconnell or donald trump can just pull away one or two republican senators and destroy. These sixty vote majority needed to pass the bipartisan bill. The only surprising thing about this is the donald trump waited until the very last minute to try to block joe biden from doing what donald trump could not do. The trump presidency invented the phrase infrastructure. Week and then they never had a single infrastructure week of any kind. Donald trump seems to be accurately calculating. How devastating humiliation it will be to donald trump. If joe biden manages to pass a bipartisan infrastructure. Bill of any kind chuck schumer has the most difficult job in the senate which is a place filled with difficult jobs when most senators are simply too disgusted to comment about a situation. They don't have to but a majority leader is stuck saying what must be set. What must be said for the record. What must be said for whoever out there in the country might need to hear it and that means the majority leader sometimes has to say things that make don quixote look like a pessimist. Things like this republican. Senators must ignore former president trump. If we're ever going to make progress for the american people. He's rooting for on tire. Political system to fail yeah. He actually said that. Republican senators must ignore former president trump. As if that's possible. The politics of governing require public optimism. You must always be publicly optimistic until and unless all is lost. No one knows that. Better than joe biden. President infrastructure deal heartache. Joe biden chuck. Schumer have both known all along that. The bipartisan deal could come apart and crash and burn at any moment. That's one of the reasons. They are moving a democrats only infrastructure bill on a separate track and are ready to incorporate whatever can be salvaged from the bipartisan bill into the democrats only built. If that is going to be the only bill that will pass so. The democrats have a legislative fallback position to their democrats only built. The republican fallback position is nothing they will deliver no infrastructure improvements to anyone anywhere in the country. They will not titan a single bolt on a single bridge not one. The republican fallback position is to fully embrace donald trump's description of them today as weak fools and losers leading off our discussion tonight. Jim manley twenty. One year veteran of the senate who served as an advisor to senders harry reid and and ted kennedy also with us. John howman an nbc news and msnbc national affairs analyst and host of the hell and high water podcast from the recount. And jim manley at twenty one years in the senate you have roughly three times my experience in the senate so you are these senior senate voice tonight we defer to you on all of this and so where do you think we are on this recognizing that whenever a bill is gonna pass by just one vote. It's always near death until it passes and it's always near death until it dies and it's very very hard to tell it's actual health condition at any given moment. Here's my best analogy it's It seems to me like we're kind of a place where we're on the airline flight from hell where your car guy in a weather pattern or around the airport circling around route. Try to see if the pilot way on the point. Here is one of the problems we have is that we we have too many pilots. Trying to figure out where this thing's gonna land as you know earlier today. I was trying to figure out a way to say that this bill isn't dad it's it's not dead but it's it's got a lot of work to do to get it ready for prime time and as you know just as well as anyone else. There's a real problem with the clock. Ticking up got once we go down this process assuming that they can. It's gonna to take a week. Or may i by two weeks to finish up the process before getting to the budget phil what schumer is intends to do before we go before the senate has theresa so if i was a senate staffer i'd be looking really concerned about vacation plans for the end of the end of august and john holliman we of jon tester. Who's in the thick of the bipartisan. Negotiations said tonight that he actually expects deal tomorrow morning. Yeah and i think you know one of the things you just said. It's it's awfully hard to tell in these situations when something is. It's always just on that break-up death just before it passes or just before it fails it's hard to tell which is which it's also the case that it's almost as high as often as hard to tell for the some of the people inside the room as for those of us outside the room and i know you've been in those rooms to jim has where you you sit there and honest from people inside negotiation like us who will who are trying to spin you. Often they are but sometimes they're not and they you get honest sources who come back and say i think it's doomed and those who say i have the deal tomorrow morning and the and the read in this tight negotiation can go in different directions. I think the main thing. Jim talked about the difficulty of the clock. If this thing gets done. I think the other difficulty the clock and i think it was dick. Durbin the senate today. Which is that something that you and. I talked about months and months ago. Which is every the longer this process takes the more difficult the pro war the the more difficult politics for democrats in the more opportunities that mitch mcconnell has to pick off republicans and i think if there's a cause for pessimism. The biggest costs your pessimism. This deal is already done. And the fact that it's still sitting here to even tonight with trump now leaning in with mitch mcconnell feeling that pressure i think that is the thing that puts this thing jeopardy every hour that it doesn't get done makes it less likely that it's going to get done in an exponential way. Not just the linear where jim if it. If the bipartisan deal falls apart if donald trump manages to pick off one or two senators whatever he needs to kill this thing then the republicans will have failed completely at what they appeared to agree to with the president in the white house. White house driveway a month ago and joe biden and chuck schumer it seems have publicly positioned the republicans as the who destroyed this bill. Absolutely i mean it'll be fascinated for plays out like to watch donald trump and mitch mcconnell under their fellow republicans including someone in rockport. And who's very close to mitch mcconnell. I gotta tell you lawrence is perfectly willing to do so if you think it's icky thinks it's for the greater good is more than willing to undercut his colleagues if he thinks that he can score some political points headed into the next election cycle and john Infrastructure used to be the old fashioned way of getting reelected whether you individually got an earmark to get that Bridge or that project in your district or just in general you delivered your party and your congress delivered massive infrastructure spending infusions around the country that was always thought of as he stage one of reelection campaigns for congress so if the democrats managed to say do their democrats only bill eventually and the republicans participate in none of that. How does how does how do the republicans go into the next congressional election with zero contribution on infrastructure. Well i think they the number one lawrence. I think it's not at all clear to me that the politics of this if this bill fails the bipartisan bill. Pails that the politics don't favor democrats for the reasons that we know. Joe biden is still sitting on a fifty five percent approval rating with an infrastructure. I think there's a way in which this could still play the democrats advantage and it's the way that you're now suggesting where where the infrastructure probably pocket in the country. Democrats fail on the on the bipartisan front because they pin it all mcconnell and they pass the democrat only build they take credit for. I think that the only way that it works for republicans is they sit down and route for inflation which is really what the party is doing at this point anyway. They they're praying that The beginnings of a significant inflation spike by the time we get to the midterms and then they ride the they ride fears of inflation and all the traditional dynamics of the out of power party to to be able to retake control of the house for sure or the house likely and potentially the senate but that's their long ball play. They're just basically saying we're not gonna get reelected on the basis of what we delivered. We're going to get reelected on the basis of the fact that we can scare enough voters about the way. Democrats are managing the economy Jim the report tonight saying that. The bipartisan group. The republican side of the group has basically handed over the negotiations tonight. to rob portman basically one on one with steve or shetty who representing the white house. You couldn't ask for more experienced. And steve or stephen shetty in a situation like this to try to delivered this deal of those two people. If there's going to be a deal a might be the ones who come up with. Yeah i saw that. Laura sad while i agree with shetty the problem i see my initial reaction is that that doesn't leave any republicans with buying with the exception of port center port so in my view that allow republicans to walk away. If they're not at the table to negotiate a deal and you know again Set a court met his tried to negotiate deals in the past and they've never really worked out so and and as i indicated earlier. He's very close to mcconnell. And so if mcconnell wants to you know pull the plug on this thing you know. This is a pretty easy way to do it the way i read the portland thing. We'll find out tomorrow or maybe never find out Which way this works is the other republicans just decided you know what rob rob is the one who knows the details. I'm going home. You negotiate it and more a matter of basically their limits to attention spans. Let's just handed over to rob and let steve ricciardi handled for the other side. Well that's certainly the way some of the psychic psychic some of the psychology in these in these meetings work as you work. sometimes you know words but again. I think jim's not wrong about this. I mean not only is not only is doesn't make it easier for for mcconnell who will happily role unfoldment especially with corbin. Having said he's gonna retire. There's no personal politics there you can. You can cut a portman off at the knees and and even on his own personal politics. Nobody has any reason took care in some sense. What happens to rob portman. So i think you know he is he is. He may be the best republican to deliver a deal. He's also the the easiest republican for the rest of the party to cut loose at this point. He's he's a rhino donald. Trump's is one is not running for reelection. I mean frankly. Who cares john. Holliman and jim manley. Thank you both very much for starting us off tonight. Thank you thanks and coming up. Parents across the country are getting their letters from prison. Biden telling them about the expanded child tax credit which started showing up via direct deposit and bank accounts. July fifteenth congressman calling. Allred will join us next on what that money will mean to families in his district and what more health people can expect down. Hope for in the democrats only infrastructure. Bill Our world is facing some big challenges. Chuck todd breaks them down a deep dive into a new topic. Stead of covering all the big stories. We're gonna cover single subject. Impacting american politics Exploring and explaining critical issues that affect our future meet the press reports. All episodes of season two are now available on demand on peacock. Hey it's chris. As this week podcast is happening. I'll be talking with freshman congresswoman corey bush about how her background is a nurse. Pastor an activist against police brutality informs her work serving her district. I speak from that place of what it was like in that moment to live through those things. And how can i carry that forward. When i was assaulted by law enforcement during ferguson. Whenever i'm talking about from the legal reform. I think about how i felt. We might face hit the ground after they threw me up in the air and landed on my face and they stopped me like a rag on the street. At all of that. I keep with me. That's this week on. Why is this happening search for. Why is this happening wherever you're listening right now and subscribe amen. That is how one mother of two from west. Virginia responded when she got two hundred and fifty dollars for each child in her bank account. Barbara corbin's who has been on medical leave from her job told cnbc quote. I'm not working so it's definitely going to help me. Continue to provide for my children and have the additional income that i need to take care of our bills and everything more than thirty five million families with sixty million children have received their first child tax credit payments through the american rescue plan. The monthly instalments will be paid through december with eligible families receiving up to a total of thirty six hundred dollars for each child under six and up to a total of three thousand dollars for each child ages. Six to seventeen democratic congressman calling. Allred wants to know how the child tax credit payments are helping texans in his congressional district so on friday he released a survey asking north texas families to weigh in on the impact of those payments on their lives saying in a statement quote i was raised by a single mom and can only imagine what a difference these changes to the child tax credit would have made for our family. He tweeted about kelly and ben parents to four children who have been diagnosed with autism. Who said the child tax credit would help them offset the insurance costs so they can afford therapy for their kids and about the shabas family. Who will use the payments to buy notebooks. Uniforms and other school supplies joining us. Now is democratic congressman calling allred of texas is a member of the transportation and infrastructure committee. Thank you very much for joining us tonight. And it's it's fascinating to hear and read what you're discovering about. What this tax credit means in your district that will make you dog about this lawrence so your boss of families with endemic. It's a child here and this is a really big deal. Was child tax as social security for families with is as you said putting money in pockets right when they really need it. Having been raised by a single mom who was teacher never much money. I know what just a few hundred bucks a month can me and the stories that have been coming in. Have really been inspirational. Medial ryan school supplies for their kids their tuition for their kids preschool covering the groceries and everyday expenses therapy as you as you talked about. It's a really big deal and talk about what is coming or could be coming down the line from the the infrastructure bill that is going to be done through reconciliation which is much bigger than the bipartisan infrastructure. Bill of being negotiated in the senate. Now the big deal for families we have things like paid family leave Which as you know has been something. I've been passionate about. So the first member of congress attorney leave we are. The only of our pure countries doesn't have a paid family leave policy also universal pre-k trying to deal with the cost of childcare capitals. Toss out applying houseboats when it comes childcare. This has been as. I said a really tough time for american families. But it's not just been this last year and a half. It's been for years and years before this where families are working harder for less. They're having a hard time. Seeing for their kids college synonyms at schools. They want to send him zoo. It's time that we have our policies can't what's going on in our families. And i think the american families plan is trying to do now. You're on the infrastructure committee in the house. You're watching this bipartisan infrastructure. Attempt in the senate Which might be near death or it might be near passing. We don't know which Let's for the moment. Assume that the republicans kill the bipartisan. Deal in the senate. What does that do to the democrats only process in the house. And how much could you take from that. What what is in the bipartisan bill. And move it into the democrats. Only bill to get done. Within that bill first of all obviously. I hope that the bipartisan deal. I is not dead open. it goes through There's a lot in there that i do support and you know there's a lot that we agree on in our committee only talk about you know hard infrastructure so his feet are. There is a lot of that we agree on. So i think the american people wanna see us. We bipartisan agreement. But if they don't then we're going to have to take it up as much as possible in the reconciliation package because this is really not an option for us. Our infrastrucure has been given a c. Minus in terms of the grade that has now with the richest country in the world with thirteen ranked infrastructure in the world we need to have enormous investment member structure. And some of these things lawrence as you know. We have not been invested in really since the eisenhower administration. So it's time for us to play our role the federal level trying to it's gonna create jobs. It's going to spur economy. It's the right thing to do. And it's not really want to is the need to you. Get the feeling watching. The senate that infrastructure in texas is perfect and there are no needs whatsoever. because i do not see the tech centers. The texas republican senators making any attempt to work on this bipartisan plan. Now they're not just french given that we just spent a week in the stone age here in texas with taxes having to burn parts of their fences and breaking down there rancher for heat and more and You know far texans dying from hypothermia and carbon monoxide poisoning so we obviously have fix rid but also we're one of the best growing states in the country lawrence. We need to invest in our infrastructure here in north texas in dallas where i represent but one of the vastest growing cities in the country. Think that's not a bigger draw. Our water systems on our roads on our electric grid. We need that federal investment. This should be something as you said that people should be running on this saying. Hey listen. I brought home the bacon for my folks. I'm taking care of our state we're paying into the system the benefits out carson. Call all thank you very much for joining us tonight. Thanks thank you. Medical organizations including the american medical association are calling for mandatory. Vaccinations for healthcare. Workers doctors zeke emmanuel is leading that effort and he will join us next. Hey everyone it's mainly msnbc correspondent and host of the podcast into america eighty years ago in detroit. A white real estate developer with the help of the federal government built a six foot high. Walk to cut off a black neighborhood from white one. He was building. Racism and discrimination have left ugly scars like this all across our country this week. On into america the story of the eight mile and how it shaped the lives of generations of detroit residents. The wall was going to happen because we didn't have the power to do anything about it. Search for into america wherever you're listening now and follow again. New episodes every thursday morning our next guest. Dr zeke emanuel organized a joint statement released today by fifty eight major medical Organizations calling for all healthcare workers to be required to be vaccinated against cova nineteen. Their statement said our healthcare organizations and societies advocate that all healthcare and long-term care employers require their workers to receive the cova. Nineteen vaccine this is the logical fulfillment of the ethical commitment of all healthcare workers to put patients as well as residents of long term care facilities. I and take all steps necessary to ensure their health and wellbeing nationwide only fifty eight point seven percent of nursing home employees have been fully vaccinated according to the centers for disease control and fewer than nine percent of hospitals have required their workers to get vaccinated according to the american hospital association today. The department of veterans affairs became the first federal agency to require some of its employees to get vaccinated. The department of veterans affairs will require one hundred fifteen thousand of its frontline healthcare workers to get vaccinated in the next two months or face penalties including possible removal and today new york city mayor build a blasio announced the city's roughly three hundred and forty thousand municipal workers will be required to be vaccinated by the time schools reopened in mid september or fell face. Weekly testing joining us. Dr zeke emanuel. Who is a member of president. Biden's covert nineteen advisory board. He is currently a vice provost global initiatives at the university of pennsylvania. Doctor emmanuel why most of us are just shocked that it would come to the point where you have to advocate for medical workers to be fully vaccinated. How did it come to this. Well i think medical workers reflect the the country and I agree with you you know. It's pretty shocking. That healthcare workers wouldn't be the first in line every person in healthcare wouldn't get vaccinated this. I've been calling for a mandate ever since april fourteenth when i wrote an op ed in the new york times. I think we need to get all the healthcare verse vaccinated they should not infect other people putting them at danger and unfortunately because of disinformation because of access problems of people have just stopped getting vaccinated and we need to get them over that little barrier they have and get them vaccinated so the american hospital association saying that only nine percent of hospitals have fully vaccinated. Personnel is rather frightening. Is there any way for us to know if the hospital we might choose to use or be taken to emergency has fully vaccinated personnel now. There really isn't I am proud to say that. My university of pennsylvania health system which is a five hospital healthcare system has mandated that all workers get vaccinated. But this came home to me. Very vividly frankly lawrence when my daughter was delivering a baby and she said i don't want to question whether that nurse or the person coming in leaning the floor as been vaccinated assume that they're vaccinated because they're working in a healthcare setting and i totally agree with her and i don't think any of us should have to doubt or question or worry that we might get cova from a healthcare worker. Have you personally had any conversations with an unvaccinated healthcare worker or has your group come up with any any reports about what they say about why. They're not vaccinated. Well i think a lot of it is local lawrence. I think a lot depends upon the local dynamics on a floor or the local dynamics in a department of a hospital. And typically what you're hearing over and over is if the leader of that group says They're not for it. for whatever. Reason political reason the disinformation. They might have gotten that tends to influence other people around them. A lot of this like the military like sports teams. A lot of this is local but the thing that i think we don't get who live outside. The medical community is what we think of nurses as medical scientists we think of physicians as medical scientists. We think of everyone working with the medicine in the hospitals as medical scientists. Sure there are people in maintenance who aren't there are executives in hospitals who aren't medical scientists but it's the people who are involved in working with medical science every day deciding. Exactly how much of a drop of this particular medicine can this patient take. It's it's people in that section of that astound us that they are not vaccinated. Look healthcare is not hermetically sealed from the larger society. And i think that's what you're Sort of perplexed by atten. Just isn't the same kind of disinformation that happens in society. An happen in medicine and unfortunately that has happened extensively on this. You know vaccines used to be seen as a godsend saving us from serious illness. I remember when i took my polio sugarcubes in school and the relief parents have. But now we've made vaccination this ideological badge of the in group out group and that's really what the source of the problem is. We should not make this key lifesaving element a badge of you're a member of our tribe or you're against our tribe and that's been a the most serious problem here that this is not about keeping people healthy. It's about tribe. Membership doctors zeke emanuel. Thank you for all of your earnest efforts and guidance throughout this pandemic really appreciate it. Thank you lawrence. Thanks for having me. Thank you and coming up vaccine. Disinformation is killing. People and one of the drivers behind that misinformation is russian intelligence house intelligence committee member. Jim himes will join us next. In march state department officials told the wall street journal. Look russian. interference did not end with the election. Russian intelligence agencies have mounted a campaign to undermine confidence in pfizer and other western vaccines using online publications. That in recent months have questioned the vaccine development and safety. Us officials said yesterday the new york times reported the game appears to be part of a secret of industry that security analysts and american officials say is exploding in scale. Disinformation for hire private firms are selling services once conducted principally by intelligence agencies. They sow discord metal in elections seed. False narratives and push viral conspiracies mostly on social media and they offer clients something precious deniability joining us now. Congressman jim himes democrat of connecticut. A member of the house intelligence committee. Thank you very much for joining us tonight. Congressman himes of what is the incentive in disinformation about the pfizer vaccine. Well all right. Russia's the ballgame the west in said he'd builders roads big network. What's happening right now. With with the and then the other element of this is that's global com Built their own and it's not bad for them to be doubts about whether the western There are as effective. So i mean. That's the motivation. But i would win out that in some ways the russian activities are your relative to domestic Of missing by we go after the rush. We use all the traditional tools of diplomacy to be cyber offer a lot more. But when it's much more of the domestic as you know oligarchic bill who has a theory a facebook is entitled to full first amendment. Fry not where it's to deal with what can be lethal. Disinformation congressman. Jim himes. Thank you very much for joining discussion tonight. Really appreciate and coming up. Republican carbon atom kin. Zinger will be one of the members asking questions. When police officers testified. Tomorrow's first house select committee hearing on the january sixth attack on the capital former federal prosecutor. Barbara mcquade will join us next on. What questions she would ask. And tomorrow's hearing about the trump mob moms put on the capital This weekend house speaker. Nancy pelosi appointed republican congressman. Adam kensington to the house select committee investigating the january sixth attack on the capital carson. Kissing voted to impeach president trump for inciting an insurrection at the capitol that day. He is the second republican on the committee appointed by nancy. Pelosi along with congresswoman liz. Cheney speaker pelosi appointed kidder after minority leader. Kevin mccarthy pulled all of his choices from the committee because speaker pelosi rejected mccarthy's Two of mccarthy's choices jim jordan. Jim banks who both voted to overturn the presidential election. After the trump mob attacked the capital to try to overturn the election. Today kevin mccarthy told reporters that the two republican members of the select committee are quote pelosi. Republicans here is how congresswoman cheney and carson zinger responded series visits child. I it's it's childish. We're doing big things right now. We're getting to the answers of the worst attack on the capital since the war of eighteen. Twelve in call me. Whatever names you want and i just believe that look you know bottom line. I'm an elected member of congress. I'm a republican. And we are now less than twelve hours away from the committee's first. Hearing the committee will hear from four police officers to from the capitol police and two from the dc police. They will describe what they experienced. When the trump mob attacked the capital our next guest former. Us attorney barbara mcquade has suggestions for what. The committee members should be focusing on in an article. She co-authored for just security barbara mcquade rights. The committee should consider the axe and emissions of executive and legislative branch entities and individuals up to and including former president. Donald j trump has associates and others involved in the run up to the events of january. Sixth and the use of disinformation to incite violence. Suggesting collecting collection of this evidence is not to presuppose liability but country needs an accurate record collected as contemporaneous to events as possible only by understanding all of the factors that did or did not contribute to the attack. Can we hope to prevent similar attacks in the future. Joining us now is barbara mcquade from a. Us attorney in michigan and law professor at the university of michigan law school. She's an msnbc legal analyst barbara so as a member of the committee what would be the focus of your questions. How would you go after what you're looking for well tomorrow. Of course laura's we're going to hear from four of the police officers who were there that day. And i think that's a wonderful way to start. We wanna hear about what they saw what they heard the injuries they've suffered and continue to suffer as a result of this. Think it's really important. To debunk some of the myths. That have formed up already around january. Six that the people there were just ordinary tourists and so i think hearing firsthand from them will be very important but then moving on. I think it's important to understand about the intelligence failures why we didn't collect information. And then share it to the right representatives and then when the response came y it was that there was such a lengthy delay while we waited for the national guard to show up. I think those are important and of course The role that the disinformation campaign about the big lie that president trump actually won the election played in motivating. Those who were there. That day will listen to what adam schiff said about this today. He's going to be a member of this committee. We will fall evidence where releasing to whomever it leads. So i think once we're composed we're getting close Will be defining the scope and the order and the priority of our witnesses. And i don't wanna get ahead of the process. Expect to have to issue subpoenas Yes i do We wanna make sure for example when we request documents that we get all of them That we don't have people withholding information because it's a voluntary requests. So yes. I favored going to subpoenas too early and with witnesses. I expected some of them will be reluctant to testify. They'll need to be compelled. So that's certainly my expectation so Barbara that's a big strategic point for any congressional committee is To subpoena or not to if you subpoena you run into the possibility of a protracted legal battle trying to enforce that subpoena which is why congress always prefers to get the witnesses without going through the subpoena process but it seems like adam schiff possibly has learned his lesson about dealing with the trump side of the world. And that it's going to take subpoenas. Well i think one of the lessons learned from the trump administration is if you're going to use subpoenas eventually. You should serve them early. Because as you mentioned it can be a protracted process going through the courts. One of the things are courts are not great at is moving quickly and so if the committee serious getting these documents in time to be able to use them to question witnesses they probably should be serving the subpoenas right at the front end. So that if they have to go to court to enforce them They can do that sooner rather than later. And that seems to be what congressman schiff is saying. It sounds like that's probably a consensus of this committee. At this point of how would you. How would you see it in terms of scheduling. They're going to begin with This is what we saw on that day tomorrow by police officers. Who were there. Who were being attacked. They will establish this was. This was full of violence of this was a real attempt to change the the actual process. That was going on in the senate and the house. They were trying to change the election of they were talking about hanging the vice president. All of those things which is going to be a necessary fact base for someone like donald trump. Who's going to be saying whether he testifies or not to this committee he'll be saying during this investigation that those people were. They are in love as we've heard him say that they were there peacefully that they were full of love. That message is going to be coming out constantly from donald trump during this investigation. Yes and that's why. I think it's important to get the facts on the record. And debunk some of those myths in the a series of questions that we put together in the piece that you mentioned we use the nine eleven commission report as our template and that talked a lot certainly about what happened on nine eleven but then it went back in time to look at. What were the origins and the planning that occurred. I think it would be also important for this. Select committee to go back. They may start with january six. But i think it's important to look at the planning the conversations and the groundwork that may have been laid leading up to that to trigger people to be there that day you know we know that donald trump for example sent out a tweet urging people to come to washington on january. Six will be wild. He said in that tweet. What role did that play in radicalizing some of those people to actually show up on january six and then like the nine eleven commission. Things also important to look forward. What have we learned from this episode that we need to change to do differently in this country with respect violent extremism the use of social media to facilitate and recruit people. And the use of disinformation to motivate people to Acts of violence because they believe their country is being stolen from them. I think all of that is really important too. I chronicle and then assess so that we can go forward. This is one of those congressional investigations that intersects with criminal investigations. Including the now. Hundreds of people who've been arrested and criminally charged with invading the capital. Uh some of those people may at some point give evidence pub actually say under oath what they believed. Donald trump wanted them to do and what they believed. Donald trump meant when he said. You know. we're all going to walk down to the capital together. And so this is one of those things where they they may at some point get lucky could because that testimony comes out in judicial process on time or they might have to wait a while to hear what those kinds of witnesses might actually say yes so as these tracks are proceeding in parallel fashion. You're right in that. Sometimes one can assist the other. You might learn about something in one form that can be used in the other but there is also the risk that you could interfere with the criminal process so in the most famous example of that is when congress immunized oliver north heard his testimony and then later ruled that his court later ruled that his prosecution was tainted because the prosecutors had heard his testimony in that congressional hearing so they have to be mindful of not immunizing people might be facing criminal charges. Down the road and barbara. What do you see as the reasonable timetable for a congressional investigation like this. I think it will take many months to hear from all the different witnesses. I would put them in several categories tomorrow that some of the first responders. I think we need to hear from the intelligence community. I think we need to hear from the defense department as to why the response was so slow. I think we need to hear from officials at the white house And probably some expert. Witnesses about domestic extremism about disinformation and about social media. So pulling all of those groups together. I think could take several months. Barbecue could thank you very much for joining us. On it and a programming note we will be joined tomorrow night at this. Hour by congressman. Jamie raskin he is a member of that committee. That is tonight's last word.

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"Are you hiring with indeed you can post a job in minutes set up screener questions than zero in on your shortlist of qualified candidates using an online dashboard get started today at indeed dot com slash podcast. That's indeed dot com slash podcast. Subscribe now to our podcast to get hot topics delivered every afternoon, and while you're at it rate us in labor review brief writing with the co host has the view is li- resident trumped he agrees to Nancy Pelosi's request to reschedule his state of the union until the shutdown. N is this a major shift of power scared into silence. Michael Cohen says he's postponing his testimony because of threats from the president and Rudy Giuliani. He's this witness tampering and can congress force him to talk plus CNN's. Chris Cuomo takes on hot. Topics from his on air confrontation with Rudy Giuliani said there was no pollution between the campaign or between people in the campaign to he says, we do need more barriers as the border. Hot topics are on the table with Whoopie. I'll be huntsmen joy Behar sunny hostile and Meghan McCain. Now, let's get things started. There is a glimmer of hope on day thirty four. Bless you. Dave thirty four the government shutdown guy in the White House tweeted that he will agree to Nancy Pelosi suggestion to postpone the state of the union and till the shutdown ends he says he's not looking for an alternative venue for the address because quote, there is no venue that can compete with the history tradition and importance of the house chamber. I look forward to giving a great state of the union address in the near future. And everyone is saying, well, wait a minute. What happened? Yeah. Trust this this is that was weird. I mean since when have you seen him just give up like that? Thanks bye. Another woman. I don't know. I it sounds so nice. On this. So I thought he had just recanted right before we came out. Whatever. But I've thought again, we're in live every five seconds. And something happened farthing? Yeah. You didn't know, but I I will flow. Con when she's seen it as and nine. Listening to someone in the White House. Maybe Kushner someone who is like this. You can't there's no one wants to listen to the speech right now. No one wants to be in that room. When you're giving that speech, this has got to end before you speak to the nation or. The networks may have said, yeah. Hey, really wanna shoot this in the backyard? We think that this should be this should be in the chamber. So we're probably not going to cover it. Well now. Yeah. Yeah. He could do it off. That's not a wrong, you're gonna go to the Oval Office. He needs thousands to to applaud him and tell him how Grady is also thought he might go to the border do something symbolic on the air. Alley earlier this week. I I would not go into the chamber until after it's just I don't think it's safe. A lot of folks. I know that are in Washington say, well, you know, I don't feel as comfortable going in there. And till everybody's back to work all security is that. You have a TSA. I yes, you would talk about the TSA. What I would know this not an announcement. No. I didn't say, no, no, no. I don't know what that. You had one day on on on the announcement from the of the guy that runs the TSA just that he was on television yesterday winning people that the air controllers going to dwindling down to zero it's becoming very dangerous to fly, and they Queant is not being updated. And it's extremely extremely dangerous. And what's what what are they waiting for? They waiting for God forbid, another crash an airline crash. What are they waiting for the only person who's enjoying this shutdown is Putin? I think there is a suggestion by Senator call Mark one democrat for VA. He proposed the stupidity act. Prevent shutdowns preserving the previous years fund funding levels during disagreements however, it would not preserve funding for congress or the White House, which means that everybody else would get paid. But congress and the white not get paid until they. Said it's the stop stupidity act takes the aggressive but necessary step of forcing the president and congress to do the jobs. They were elected to do. Ago with the congress has the vote on that they would have to the White House. The president has a sign it, right? Not get a certain percentage of of lawmakers to vote on it. And it doesn't matter what the president on not getting paid. He also has a huge well with you know, it is crazy that. That. It's crazy. The people that aren't make a decision whether government shutdown or not are not actually personally impacted by the shutdown drew. They don't actually feel the pain that people feel. So if I want to have great healthcare, and they still deny that they want to deny it to the American health. This is old. Hole. No, this is an old story with them. So we say this every single day. I mean, not to it's groundhog day in here. And I think in our country as well not to be callous about this. But we were saying this every day, and there, I actually appreciate Democrats who were taking responsibility to like congresswoman Lissa stole Nick from Michigan. Who said democrat leaders need a quote get in the damn room because the issues will not resolve itself. Mike barnicle this morning on morning, Joe said watching this play out a stunning stunning portrait of complete ignorance on both sides with reality of the shutdown is doing I still stand by it makes everybody look bad. Not just president. Well, people disagree with you. Because sixty percent say Trump is responsibility for the shutdown. Can we show that clip of him taking responsibility should outlet? Shook down the government for border security because the people of this country don't want criminals and people that have lots of problems and drugs pouring into a country. So I will take the mantle I will be the one to shut it down. I'm not gonna blame you for the last time you shut it down. It didn't work. I will take the mantle of shutting out. I really quick. Trump. No, I know. I know you want to impeach them. I got it. You question. I'm not being I hate being nice. Question. What's not gonna cheap applause line? Because I would rather not. Controlled tomatoes at the Republican once what's the question. What's the question? Kratz you as a democrat. What culpability do you hold in this because it's everyone is screwed right now. And I just read to examples of people say the Democrats to get involved to what will would you lie to a couple of things on the table today that the Democrats put forth. So let's say they they've already thrown it in. They just don't want to build the wall given everything else there's giving drones. They giving him more more people giving him everything except the wall because it's immoral and it's useless. And they know it. Audience in this room outside watching behind the cameras about what is actually happening in the country, and what we want to happen in the country. And I'm well aware that at this table every single day. We want him impeach. And I say the proverbial way. And I'm just right now, you're talking about TSA workers who aren't being paid. These are real people. Bottom wind things people aren't getting paid both sides should be adults about this looting. They show we get it. Politics. Everyone ever isn't it true that Trump manufactured vis nightmare? Isn't it? True. That Trump is all. I haven't even that Trump manufactured this need for the wall. He's the one that pulled DACA. He's the world. So yes. He has that. Bayer. He's also the person that already said he would take responsibility for the shutdown. The title understand. Why all of a sudden both sides are responsible for the country. I don't understand. I had two things happen to me this morning. I was at the coffee shop. Yes, I drink a Cup of coffee pregnant, don't judge me. And a guy came up to me. He was like where are you going to move in the country falls apart? And I was where where am I gonna move? He said, well, I'm going to go somewhere warm, and I left there. And I was like this is so sad. This is such got on the phone with my brother who's currently serving this country overseas. And I said I was explained to him. Yeah. And I really sad time in this country yet is he said, it's really sad. But you know, what who started it? That's, but you know, what here's my point. That's not where the conversation went with my brother because his focus isn't on politics. Focuses on the goodness of this country is that what motivates him everyday? And he said, you know, how many times in history this country's overcome moments that we think were at the brink, whether it's civil rights, whether it's a Vietnam war, whether it true, the civil war. He said we will get their side of this. And we will get there because they are noth- good people in this country that care about each other that will get us there. And I'd say on the show. This. This show. Okay. So negative, and I just want to be reminded of the goodness that we have the goodness that can happen. What I'd like to say personally is I'd like to see in every state all of the utilities. I'd like to see you all wave your bills for the next couple of months. Yeah. I would like to see don't pay the Bill. No. I would like your company for. Nice. Yeah. I would like to company mortgage companies. That's how we can sort of push this along because as I said the other day, you know, they're doing what they're doing. But what we can do is try to help other out Antill. The fan stops moving and stuff stops coming out from the fan. So there are lots of things that can be done. And I think if all the companies get in and give these kids these people break that would be helpful that would allow the children to go to sleep without worrying that mommy and daddy can't pay their bills. That's what will be back. Later towing out drums. Former fixer Michael Cohen claims threats from the president and Rudy Giuliani are keeping him from testifying. Why the president says the only thing Coen's threatened by is the truth. Okay. So there's a big election coming and the question on everyone's mind is your contender in twenty twenty gonna run for president. Are you run for president? You're going to run for president. With so much on the line. The newsmakers come here because it's the best place. In this epic year ahead. Anybody who's anybody who wants to make it to the next level in politics to come on this show because this is the place to be heard few Republican the make news come on the show view on ABC. Stemmer head CNN's. Chris Cuomo man's the hot topics table. Michael Cohen says he's postponing his testimony to congress because of recent threats to family by you know, who and his lawyer Rooney Guiliani take a look he should give information may be on his father in law because that's the one that people wanna look at because where does that money? That's the money into family is father was Ukrainian his father law. Millions and millions. Of course, it's not I'm telling you come from the Ukraine, the reason that important is he may have ties to something called organized crime. So just because he's from the Ukraine, right? He might have. What does I mean that is flawed thinking a lot of percents a real strategy because it was the same point you heard from the president? And then from his lawyer like they had talked by how do we change the narrative in well, but it's only getting witness tampering. Right. Yeah. I was gonna say not only thinking it could very well be a federal crime if you're witness tampering that's twenty years in federal prison, if you're guilty of that. And you know this. President doesn't know the law is not a lawyer on what Giuliani was the US attorney of the southern district of New York, which arguably is the most powerful US attorney's office in the country, and he headed it for like how six years as his working for free. It's just it's it's to me it's like kit. Right. I feel sorry for Michael Cohen because he's frightened than his frightened for his family. But I put them in witness protection, this is a mob movie. Anyway, it put him in the whole families to witness protection at least temporarily while he testified on February seven. Yeah. I was I was I was stunned but by this because again Rudy Giuliani. I've said it before it feels like he's getting tripped up on his live very confused witness tampering, though, wouldn't we wouldn't be in trouble for that. They'd be. Maybe jimmy. Is exempt wall. Jail is that the hypothetical? Q's ING him. But I'm saying if I had no idea that it was witness tampering. Like, including be if it's deemed to be witness tampering because basically, what witness tampering is when you're trying to intimidate someone from saying something about what's happening in the father with the Bravo. Yes. The movie again. But the craziest thing to me is the logic of just because he's from here might mean he's involved with. But one could say the same thing about any number of people and peoples family a lot of people in the Ukraine. I mean, let's go back to annex Crimea who are seriously and intensely protesting against Putin and his Terrence regime, so let's get those back, right? Yeah. Person foremost above mazing people in Ukraine and have been fighting for a very long time. So I with that the other thing I wanna say this Greco Roman spectacle of the Muller testimony. That was going to happen that now may or may not happen. He's seventy. Yeah. It's going to go into the Greco Roman dome. And we're all going to watch had each other tear each other apart. That's what this is everything is a great spectacle. Now, it's not politics anymore. Can't they slowly with watching this? Seventy hours tester has seventy hours Muller of testimony, which I said seems like a lot to me. So what was the point of the public testimony anyway other than Michael Cohen zone ego wanting to say because people like you. Yeah, that's me. But people like you who are on the left. Now think he's no k guy. Now, I thought that was his redemption he wanted he wanted to absolve himself from being in the Trump administration. Can I miss? Role in getting this president out. He's okay. With may. Okay. It's in our best interest from him to do this. Going to serve three years in federal prison and make a difference. If he does a public Greco Roman testimony on cable news for us. I think it does all I know that we wanna know we're at twilight. All I know. It's like, I always say, take a breath. We're going to know the truth because the mole reports gonna come out at some point. He is done. We will see world Ernie general a lot of this depends on him. And he might be adopting there. They're not going to be the smoking gun here. I don't know what's going to play with with his tampering, but we will find the truth. And if Trump has done something to get him out of the White House. We will. Public testimony or not. That's the question. Does it matter to anyone as my aunt? Julia one said, what do they need a brick to form their heads? I actually don't know what. Guilty. What guys? Is all over the place on this guy that just waiting for a smoking gun. Got no more problems. I think that. He is concerned about his kids. Michael, I think he is also really kind of freaked out. I don't know that he's a good guy. I don't know. I don't. Well, no is dumb is dumb guy. Yeah. He's also high. Yeah. A lot of people have been hired by the president United States and one of the things that we keep asking for from everybody from both sides transparency. So do people want to know a lot of people do a lot of people. Don't it's going to do what it does like everything else in life. We will be right back. I'm Chris Cuomo. Did you hear what the head of the air traffic controller said about how safe it is defined with this shutdown? And I have some new information about Michael coons potential testimony all coming up. See you soon. He had them one show on CNN right now. And you know, that must drive, you know, when White House a little nutty. A little bit. But we're glad to have him back here on this show. We don't get enough. Please welcomes CNN's Chris. Oh. Oh. Would just having a conversation about Michael calling. You're also a lawyer based on what you've heard should they be looking at with witness tampering. Does it lives to the level of witness tampering? I think they have to and the reason to build on sonny's point is that witness tampering doesn't have to be successful to be wrong via tempt is enough. And if you look what the president has been saying you have to do an examination of the hardest part of the long correct me if I'm wrong, which is motivation. Why is the president's saying what he's saying about his father in law? Now can just be this is what this president chooses to do with his political power is that he likes to disparage those who he sees as opposition that could be it could be that. He believes that by saying this. He will quiet Michael Cohen. And right now if he was right? It was because it did do I believe Michael Cohen's through. His counsel his fears about his family, I do because in God willing. You guys don't have to feel this when you on the wrong side of the president in the perspective of those who support him. It is a frightening place. The most powerful man in the world he is without question. The most powerful, man. Should they supplied Michael Cohen? So looking at their statement. I don't think they're there right now they have said they don't wanna reward the tactic of the president. Okay. Well, then they have to figure out how to comfort Michael Cohen and make him say could they subpoena him? Yes. I think a lot of what we're dealing with in this dynamic with the probe is not about whether or not something is a crime. It's about what is wrong. It's not about whether or not the president to your earlier conversation has the right to do something. It's about whether or not what he's doing is. Right. That me Giuliani could possibly go to jail is. No now. Yes, Sunny's analysis is it possible. Yes. But I do not see that. I don't see shining of former US attorney for the southern district of New York. Right. It saying the things that he is saying to you. Yes. To me. No. And this is this is Don started calling me both sides. Here's here's why. Because I don't see prosecutions as the eventual outcome of the Muller probe. I could be wrong. I'm open to it happens on a daily basis. I see report coming out that is damning in terms of wrongdoing things that people knew wrong and did anyway things that the president knew about in wasn't honest about with the American people, which I believe should be the bar of accountable behavior from the highest elected official in the land, not criminality. So if he didn't commit a felony. It's okay, that's not our standard. But there is a specially on the left a bar of satisfaction that as well. The presidency must ended after this just a little bar. He must be impeached. He must be gone after this. I tell people to slow their role on that. But because the concern isn't legitimate. But the process is all votes Joyce happened. If they run all we have tremendous amount of circumstantial evidence. On witness tampering on collusion on on obstruction of Justice right to face. Yes. Why is he still there because this is a political process? We know that the guidance from the DOJ is you don't indict a sitting president has Muller asked for different guidance. We don't think so has Rosenstein ask for different guidance. We don't think so. All right. So that's a rule shot somebody Fifth Avenue like he said, he then go to Jim. I heard this. A lot of people's heads. Are exactly where yours is. So here's the answer. Would you be indicted? No, you would be impeached because that would be something. That's so heinous that even the Republicans who want to back the president right now would have to say avenue. Yeah. Would be would be I disagree. He would be. House. By the Senate thirds vote, then he could be indicted would remove at this point. I don't even think they would have to believe. We'll do what's Giuliani. Apparently. He's gone so road to the White House now needs a team of people doing damage control every time it gets a front of the camera and played a string of rats. Which started we see them a lot on your show. Credible said there was no collusion between the campaign or between people in the campaign. I have not I said, president United States. There is not a single bit of evidence. The president states committed the only crime you hear conspired with the Russians to half the. And I know you because we worked together, I know you well, and I was like why don't know could meet. Everybody. I know who plays poker called me right away and said you gotta joy game. I need. Here. Here's the best defense. Okay. I was shocked. There is no there's no fake in my game. Obviously. So I don't know why he said that when the president spends time saying almost nothing as often as he says, no collusion with anybody. He started with no context, then there was a tone of context. So then it was no collusion right now. He says well wasn't me. And that means that like his family and everybody else he's like on the bus driving the bus and being like bumping, and it's all the bodies of the people working for him. But Julie did say, here's here's what I don't think. Giuliani's getting the benefit of with his critics. You're looking at them through the sunny lens of this guy is supposed to be a lawyer this guy in the southern district. This guy was America's mayor. As a PR agent. He is setting out. Yeah. Spreading doubt, the heating lawyer. Yes. But no, no, no, let's let's be honest. He's part of legal team. He's not the one to go sheeting with Muller. He's not one of the legal minds was figuring out. Right Radidy scenario. He's going out there. And he's betting with the president's backing that at the end of the day. This is going to come down to a poll, the irony, right? That do American people think this is so bad. What's been put out there that he should be removed from office by Republicans and Democrats, and the the strategy is clear and the execution is he with Giuliani trying to spread as much doubt about as many things as possible. Even if it means doing things that would make a lawyer blush. And that's very high boss is Magsi understand. He's not eating lawyer being a PR flat. Lawyer would never make a case of a potential and be quiet. He wouldn't discuss we should judge him differently. Means don't pay attention that it. That's exactly right. It explains. Why you should dismiss what he says as valid legal arguments. Just because he's a lawyer doesn't mean he's not Bs in you. I have held on the show the president's lawyer on what he says that even be very nine Celia legal point. They're not making more points pained red hill Roman Coliseum very, but. Anything? But that's what he wants the audience of one Trump. I have Mr. Giuliani. I have MS Conway on the show. I have you have to have the president's best defenders on the show. I want my audience to know, this is who the president wants you to believe this is what the president wants you to believe eighty percent. And you try to test it eighty percent of Republicans believe it and still back the president. Yes. It's a fact. Yes, he's doing very well within his party. Very well. You're pretty good here. That's what I'm saying. Other high. To stick around. Will you do it? All right. Is it still a struggle to get that good night's sleep than maybe it's time to try the purple mattress? It's made out of new material that makes it firm and soft. So it keeps everything supported while. Still feeling really comfortable. Try it now with a one hundred night risk-free trial along with free shipping and returns. And if you order one, you'll get a free purple pillow with the purchase of mattress just text view two four seven four seven four seven the only way to get the spree pillow is to text view two four seven four seven four seven. Message and data rates may apply. See headlines across your screen all day, but you're busy. What do you need to know? What's actually shaping you wool? I'm Brad milkey from ABC news and every morning we start here. It was extraordinarily was watching here in Singapore. ABC's new daily podcast a handful of stories just twenty minutes director Comey. Thanks for being with us. Newsmakers smart reporting taking you straight to the heart of the story starting here. Listen for free on apple podcasts or your favorite podcast app. Back with Chris Cuomo. Who's got a question by question. Why? White House press secretary Sarah Huckabee Sanders hasn't held an official breast press briefings, December eighteenth, President Trump told her quote, not to bother with them anymore and in her defensive decision. She said this about your network yesterday. We're in the business of getting information to the American people not making stars out of people that want to become contributors on CNN. And that's a lot of times what we see take place in the briefing room. We're more than happy to take questions. But we think that there should be a certain level of decorum, and a certain level of honesty and responsibility that comes with that. I think she's throwing some shady McCoy. If I had to read the tea leaves on that how do you respond to that? I'm general the administration's Suttles a heart attack. And I'm sure that that clip left out the vigorous questioning by the people on the couch of her which is for an obvious Apocrypha. And obviously, I'm being facetious. They didn't say anything. That's why she goes on Fox News because she gets a pass administration favors that place because it's the mothership season. Kellyanne and Guiliani on because I believe in open dialogue of the president of the United States thinks that this person represents him. And this is his best that he has the offer the American people I want to expose that on my show, whoever it is. I had Sarah Sanders on I said to her you're gonna come on. We don't discuss questions I said, but you know, what my main interest is you keep saying you can't answer questions about what you knew and win because counsel won't let you that council. Doesn't represent you. You can say whatever you want wanting to tell the American people if you knew then what you know. Now, you would have given them a different answer she came on. And she parroted a dumb answer that she was given by other people in the administration. That's on her not on me, not me attacking Sarah Sanders, exposing the CNN because this Trump administration's been good for a lot of personalities tail. Timothy B first person I talked to I would represent in this. You don't think that there is a it for anchors to pine to know, the difference between journalists and opinion makers? I'm a commentator. I'm not a journalist. I think is important distinction. And I think it's one that's often. Blurred. I also think that you can't look at anything in the media as a model even CNN proud of the place where I work, but you can't judge everybody in the same way. You got to pick people see how they do their job. How she does her job how he does their job fine. But here's the line at the end of the day. No matter what business you're into. If you're in the business of communication with the American people, currencies integrity, and tell them the truth. And owning it when you get it wrong. Right. Pretty simple question. Hard to do for human beings. This administration. Lies more than anything. I have ever seen in public. And I was raised in politics. You know, so I have a very low bar for being truthful because I've been raised around polish. So I'm used to how it can be spun. I've never seen anything like this. Sarah Sanders has to own her own choice. Shouldn't he report is be able to call around on? I don't think they should want to be TV stars at the same time. I think they're amazing journalist, by the way of CNN, Jake tapper ESI van Jones, they're great people. Then there's people like Jim Acosta that made me want to change the channel Costa. And look he doesn't need me to defend them. He does well on his own but him testing power him demanding accountability from power is his job, not a popular job. And I knew I correct you Mukasa it was over when they when everyone their speech on. Today. No, my gym heights, honest. Pretty sour. Welcome to come on the show. And I thought that you you're called two sides Cuomo. I get the same criticism here. But what you do that. I like is you do call out hypocrisy on both sides when it's merited, and I want to get your take on the breaking story Friday because everyday to new story, but it was the BuzzFeed piece, right where everyone to name sources with speech. But it went wall to wall everywhere. And I made the point that I think at times media so obsessed with getting the president out of the White House member some people not everybody that actually helps the president's causing a further motivates his base and could potentially help him win twenty twenty one of your take on the I think that look the I don't I don't think the pe-. I don't think I think people deserve much more credit in this country than they get the idea that America is a bunch of sheep that they don't see it for what it is at the end of the day. The reason people don't trust or respect the media politicians because they are smart because they're sheep. They're able to see through a cell job. They're able to see through a gender. You know, the American people are very. Mart. You could put trust in them for this. How you every night though, the whole buzz. Okay. Reporting is hard the idea that anonymous sourcing somehow weaker sourcing is BS. Okay. You would not get people in power to tell you things if they thought they were going to be exposed it is a naphtha to self protection Phillips. Oh, what a gay storing? Well, okay, Brooklyn a lot of record. I can't tell you how much reporting I've done where it was basis of trust between me and somebody else that I would give them protection. And they would give me the truth or what I can get the closest obtainable version of the truth buzzfeed's article they have to answer for their own reporting. They stand by the mullahs probe comes out and says some of it is not accurate. It was a very careful statement that I would hold judgment until you see the whole store, and that's what I say. And I would hold judgment go to the bathroom you need to come back 'cause me. Tomorrow on the view. Oh, yeah. In the weekend starts early. 'cause Colin Quinn is let's able and yet ready for one show stopping Broadway performance to lure one of you. Chris cuomo. You just got a little beep. That's what we are reporting that the Senate intelligence committee has subpoenaed Michael Cohen that is not you know, it means under punishment. But that's just saying you have to come in. And they're hoping it will be in mid-february, they usually do their sessions in private, right? And that may give them confidence or this could be a reflection of how much credibility. They put Michael Cohen concern. So this is an ongoing thing because everybody here wants him everybody here everybody he wants them. Right. It's going to keep going on the house. I'd congressman Schiff right has not said subpoena. He said, we're working with the lawyers. We want him to come in great. So you caught some some doodoo this week because somebody tweeted once again, a another conspiracy theory having to do with Kamla Harris black candidate for president. And they were saying that she's not an American because her parents are immigrants. So you tweeted sing prove it and people thought you just camera. You want saying I'm Harris has to prove your same people should have to prove that stuff. Yeah. Before they and and is it me or when people come here legally, they become citizens. They have children their children are born here. They are citizens morning. Born in California the orb is over. Here's what happened. Nice and simple. Yeah. I screwed up. I wrote a tweet while I was doing my radio show prep for the radio. And I was just trying Ana Navarro who you guys all know head said here, we go again. And I was trying to get ahead of what I felt I contributed to a mistake. During the Obama birtherism stuff, which was we kind of let it devolve into where Obama had to prove. He was citizens and that gave dignity to a bigoted move that was never warranted. So this time I wanted to get ahead of it. And I wound up stepping right in it and mashing my foot around and kind of wiped it on my face a little bit. So that made angel's so. God forbid on Twitter. Anybody gives you the benefit of the doubt. I understand. Why people get mad at the media about being a Gotcha complex? It is the mistake is just assuming there's any collegiality or team spirit, and they'll go after me is easily. They'll go after US fine. The point is simple. You don't get to disparage people this way because of their race. That's right. Because you don't like what they represent and what I'm saying is before we go through this. Again, you have an accusation put up show, comma, Harris shouldn't have to go through this. That was my point. I made a question sutdown. What's what's going to happen? So today was supposed to be a big day. They was supposed to they was supposed to vote and have two bills. I don't think they're going to happen. I think that there is a perverse sense of satisfaction in people's pain going on with the president. He sees his party numbers. He's someone told them there. Mostly Democrats were feeling the pain. He's wrong and having people pay the price for not being able to deal. I think he should shut it down. And most people think you should shut it down. They have to figure out a better way. The making people be poisoned by their own. The come hang out more often. Okay. Let's just let's just say that we don't. Thanks occurs. So we'll primetime. Emmy, it's on CNN, and we'll be right back. Nice heading clapping. Thank you so much. Very proper. 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So we'd love it if you could take a quick survey on crooked dot com slash survey. Shouldn't take too long and as a thank you. We'll give you twenty percents off any order at the crooked store. Can't believe guy. Nate silver to run that force. But yeah it's it's Please plus or minus twenty percent at least do the survey. It'd be the less likely you are to do the survey the more we'd like you to do the survey you know what i mean. Yeah we want to capture. All those people wants the haters. It's what he sees demanding. you want. i was gonna say. I wanted to take it if you have one star reviews or my tank all right. Let's get to the news. We are all sick of this fucking pandemic which we are still dealing with things with the incredibly contagious delta variance and the fact that about fifty one percent of the country is still unvaccinated That's a population that seeing well over ninety percent of the cases hospitalizations and deaths. That have come from this. Latest surge to biden administration officials told the washington post over the weekend that the white house is quote growing increasingly anxious about the state of the pandemic inner gravely concerned about the situation. Spiraling out of control in some areas of the country with low vaccination rates The country seems to agree new. Abc news ipsos poll found that only forty five percent of americans are optimistic about the direction of the country. That's a twenty point drop since their poll in may Other polls show that. This increased pessimism is driven almost entirely by the view. That was articulated by dr fauci on cnn over the weekend. He said that when it comes to the democrats were going in the wrong direction and quote. It's not going to be good Jen psaki got a question about this. That was very annoying. The briefing just now. let's play a clip. I'm kobe doctor. Says we're going in the wrong direction. Whose fault is that. Well i would say i. What he was referring to is the fact that because there are still large population of people in this country who are unvaccinated and we have the most transmissible variants that we've seen since the beginning of the pandemic that more people are getting sick with covert and those numbers are not moving in the right direction. I think that's accurate and you can see it by data. Peer ducey wants to know whose fault it is. That's what peter doocy wants to know so functioning. That cnn interview of course went on to repeat the biden administration line that this is a pandemic of the unvaccinated. Is that how you guys would characterize the situation right now. Because we're all vaccinated and These few last last few weeks still feel like we're all his bullshit together. We're all vaccinated. Don't make it a habit to Disagree with scientific consensus about how to describe the endemic I do think that like the steve. Doocy question is very very stupid. but it actually. I think captures the larger way in which even more sophisticated outlets and trying to cover the surge. You remember when we did the correspondents' dinner For president obama in two thousand eleven or two thousand twelve. We did those fake political at the time that we've caused trump to run for office the other one one or the other ones one of the other less notable ones hit gotcha But we did these fake political headlines one of them. Was you know. Lincoln winds civil war. Where's the bounce. And a lot of the headlines. I have that feeling like we're talking about a deeply serious situation. All the reporters understand that like unlike the previous administration this is administration like trying to make the best decisions possible with the information they have in the limits of the media and the struggle against a vaccine has all that and instead the coverage is like basically. Whose fault is this. And how what will the political implications be right before you ever have the conversation like the question. Whose fault is it is obviously a third question that would probably come after. What can we do change the situation which no one seems to view as their job to ask first of all fake news bros. Peter doocy asked the question. Steve i i may have said steve doocy. There's another dc in arizona. Is i think unrelated. Yeah days later. We got a lot of ducey's on so i just wanted to throw introduce you got the job. Not at all. Because of his father steve. Dc fox friends. Ironically steve doozy's been pretty good on this. He's part of a a get vaccinated. Psa the fox news put out. He's like the good part of goldstar fifty on this one mean broken right twice a day i mean love it. Makes the point about political implications being secondary. Were which i do agree with. I mean like. I have found. Throughout the course of the pan-demic that is you sort through terrifying tweets headlines news segments about this. It's sort of hard to separate. what is real from. What is sensationalized. Obviously there's been a lot of coverage of breakthrough cases. Do you think that's been too much too little like how. How do you feel about this stage of the pandemic right now. Here are facts. Fifty one thousand new cases yesterday nearly fifty two thousand two hundred and sixty nine deaths Those are preventable. If the majority of those people were vaccinated there's reports of some hospital systems being overwhelmed. There's going to be an economic impact. And then i don't know about you guys but my old friend anxiety has come back for visit and decided to stay for a little while so like the reality is. There's this is a problem. It's a growing problem. We're really lucky that the delta very hit us when it did not earlier before we were vaccinated. Do think this is a problem. The political implications. I think you have to separate out even more. But i think you know it's going to be challenged. I had this way of getting rid of my anxiety houseguests. an so. I don't the new. What i actually confer. Immunity boost. is that real. That's not really that's not real Here's here's two things one. I think you're right. And like the truth. Is delta is different like andy. Slavic has done really good coverage of this the ways in which it is actually different in the ways. It shouldn't feel or or actually be covered as being different in there is there are genuine ways in which delta is more transmissible and is causing more breakthrough infections. That said one. You see a lot of like doom bait which is not coverage of what is happening and not even close of scientists who have fears about what could happen but summary sentences inside of news coverage that suggests that there's more and terrible things ahead like could there be long cova. Did some scientists fear. That could be the case. Yeah i it is important to say that like some questions. People have had about this. If you get a breakthrough infection can you pass it on to someone else who's vaccinated if you were vaccinated to. The science is still out on that. They think you are less likely to be able to pass it on as you were if you weren't vaccinated but probably a little more likely than with the alpha ovarian but the scientists out on that. Could you get long cove. If you're vaccinated have a breakthrough infection. We do not know. We don't have enough science yet. There have been almost no cases of that detected so far. But it's early but again no science on that yet. And then the second piece of this that i think is influencing all of this coverage is the cohort of people discussing this on twitter writing about this covering it are vaccinated and their families are vaccinated for the most part they are also there in the kind of you know liberal enclaves that have have a greater degree of vaccination and so they are covering what. What about breakthrough infections. What's the situation with breakthrough infections. I'm not saying that that's not important. Of course it is important but the larger story is a pandemic of the unvaccinated which is of course true but the scale of the coverage isn't matching up because the people writing and reading these stories are all just concerned about the impact on them and their families vaccinated people. I think the scale of the coverage is appropriate. I think that there's a lack of specificity in there is like a fear i lead which is leading to huge swath of unvaccinated. People thinking that the vaccine doesn't work against the variants which is giving them another reason not to get vaccinated. As opposed to the last nudge. They needed and i think that's really damaging. I mean the key thing that everyone needs to know is it vaccinated. People are almost guaranteed not to go to the hospital not to die. That's the key vaccines for that. That's why we are where we are now in. Our india was a couple months ago when we first learned about the deliver. I think i think the the key piece of advice is to when you hear these stories because you're almost guaranteed wilson vaccinated people end up in the hospital. Yes we hear about that absolutely because those are going to be the big stories and so you really do have to look at the numbers and the math overall like even a really really effective vaccine which we have once you have a ton of people were vaccinated once you get up to one hundred and fifty million people and you have a vaccine. That's anywhere from eighty to ninety percent. Effective that's still going to be a lot of people who have breakthrough infections and again you're going to hear about it and we're probably going to hear about it even more because of what you said love it. Which is what we're all in that. Same bubble together. Yeah and it's interesting. Because i do think there's this there has been this rise of kind of coverage around breakthrough infections. What to be afraid of what not. It hasn't been specific enough. It has made a lot of people afraid. My text messages suggests that that fear is spreading But at the same time. I actually think the more important shift. We've seen over the last two weeks as rupert motor from his yacht. Gave some kind of fucking diktat and it came down to like be more pro vaccine on all of his channels. And you see a big up to. And i think the actual coverage of the deltas urges combined to me. We've seen a rise in. I think the greatest increase in the rise of explanations or the thing most responsible for the increases the delta very clean. The white house staff tweeted this yesterday. I think seven hundred sixty thousand people got vaccinated at twenty four hour period which we have to think is due to this random reporting biggest number since early june. They haven't been there in a while but that is some good news. What more can the bite administration due to get the delta surge under control. What tools do they have in the toolbox. So here's where i think again precisions. I think there are things that biden can do. And then there are demands. That biden safe things and one is effective in one is useless right so if we lived in irrational world biden could announce a vaccine mandate a two to three week mask mandate would crush the delta varian in its tracks. But we live in a stupid broken polarized country where one political party acts like. That will be inactive oppression. Trying to save your life as an act of oppression. They wouldn't follow through so it gets complicated. I think where you start to hear people saying biden should go out and say moore give speeches. Do fireside chats. It's actually counterproductive so yesterday politico quoted a historian saying we'll look back on this period and say biden should have been doing regular addresses the american people what a missed opportunity and i just think that's dated view of the country of how communication works. Because like you were saying earlier. Love it like sean hannity. Talking of the vaccine. Steve scalise getting vaccinated. Republican radio hosts. Who had a change of heart. Like those are the messengers. We need to reach this big group of people that are unvaccinated and republican. Don't believe that biden's actually the president of the united states any like that's how fundamental the mistrusted republican governor of alabama said. You're letting us down if you don't get vaccinated. Those are the messengers that we should elevating in trying to get covered right now. Like john i think the the things that biden we would like biden to do. I think are probably more likely to happen on a local level. Like you've been talking up the need for la to say. Hey if you work for the city give vaccinated. Yeah no new york announced. Today that new york city workers are going to be required to be vaccinated San francisco has l. a. Of course has not even though they were first out of the gate unrein setting the mask mandate which tells you everything you need to know about what it's like to live in la during the pandemic this whole time But look i can buy do in. Terms of vaccine requirements islacom requirements. Now i'd like no no more so in terms of vaccine requirements. He could require vaccine requirements for all travel. Great because that's under the federal purview for Air travel or train travel. He could also required for walking into a federal building He can do that soon. The other big thing of it. I know you can have something to say about. This is a lotta vaccine requirements. Either on the local state or federal level or in the private sector would-be uneven firmer legal ground. Many of them are on firm legal ground already but they would be uneven. Firmer legal ground if the fda finally approved fully approved the vaccine even though the fda and of the fda have been telling us for months it is absolutely safe. It's approved as an emergency use authorization. Look obviously look the most important thing in What makes people trust the process knowing that. Like some fucking. Arcane procedure was was followed even despite all common sense and knowledge and actually we really want is the fda to treat literally. What are we at now. Two billion human beings as guinea pigs for their trial. That's like the most important thing. Because what are the two fucking options for the fda at this point the do they really think that like not approving a now and approving it in a month or two months or three months or whenever they get around to it is going to improve trust in their process and then the alternative. Imagine what happens if they come to the conclusion. It isn't safe. You're like wow you know what big oopsy there thank you. Fda so proud of you made a big mistake. That only one hundred and fifty million americans have now made with us. He doesn't tell you to do it. We told you to take it. Don't yell at us. It's very silly but like it's very idea that like the reason. The fda is the gold standard in his trusted because they follow their processes without exception. And and actually. It's like the reason you trust. The fda is because you trust the process are smart and built to get a good result. We already have the result. Like common sense should apply here like the. It is so stupid and counterproductive that they haven't just approve this. Funding most of the country is taken the vaccine. You work for us. You're our health representatives. We've already done it. We trusted you. Yeah i think. Unfortunately the cdc the fda they've taken a bit of a hit when it comes to trust in those institutions. That's why when. I hear about things like the nfl. Saying you know what if you're a member of an nfl team and you don't get vaccinated date. Cancel a game because a bunch of people get sick you forfeit that game and you forfeit your pay. That kind of shit is gonna make people pay attention or when campuses are like. Guess what you wanna go to. Let's say duke. Whatever some school. You can't come back on campus until you're vaccinated at scale is going to be highly effective so this is my one more big thing that the binding ministration could be doing is to more fully and forcefully get behind those moves that you're describing so like someone asks jen about this at the briefing about the nfl. And she's like yeah that's their right to do and they can do that stuff like that. They're sort of tiptoeing around this. Because i know that they're worried about the politics of vaccine requirements and they're probably looking at france and italy were now they have vaccine requirements. There were like massive protests in the street. I'm sure the by administration doesn't want to see that here but like you have the nfl doing this. You have college campuses doing this now. You have health systems doing this business doing this crooked media. We say you can't come back into the office. Unless you're vaccinated like the by immigration could be leading a national effort to really encourage businesses all over the country to put in place vaccine require. I can't believe lewis was like. I don't want that five g. and my body won't see you again. Yeah no actually. Not i disagree. I don't agree with the obama era theory of leading from behind. I'd like to see them. Like poke and prod people quietly announce things and then do exactly which ended and shut up about it and not make it about joe biden about roger goodell's overpaid obnoxious lying ass. Making a bunch of nfl player are putting pressure on them in behind the scenes. I think that's probably fine too. But they should be putting pressure on because these are remember. We're not trying to this isn't about convincing vaccine skeptics. This is about convincing the business community. Who was probably all vaccinated in the leaders of the business community probably much more pro biden and willing to listen to the white house then. A lot of the people who won't get the vaccine. I think there are two tracks there. There is a persuasion track. That should continue to go on where people try to persuade vaccine. Skeptical vaccine hesitant people to take the shot. I don't wanna classify them all like mega lunatics. Right there's a lot of really good people who are worried about it and having it so you got to persuade them ben. There's another track. There is a vaccine requirement. Track that a lot of countries experimenting that a lot of businesses are experimenting with your. And i think we have to expand that as quickly as possible in the vitamins. Rations should do whatever they can get behind the. Yeah but i don't think. Joe biden getting up there and saying i'm in favor of vaccine requirements is going to mean we end up with more vaccine requirements. For the exact same reason he's not necessarily the right messenger to tell people to get vaccinated at this point. It's more important to lift up local voices and people and i'd actor that people that the vaccine skeptics might trust like already already out there. They're already out there on this five on tv saying yeah. There should be more local mandates. There should be more this this. It's not like been. I don't wanna talk about it. They're already a little bit out there. So i just look when the nfl ounces. This step. I want a bunch of businesses to read about the nfl doing this. I don't want them to read a subsequent story that gets topped with a jen. Psaki or joe biden comment. About how yeah. They should do. This and everyone should be doing this. I want to let that story marinate out there. People read it and try to follow suit but like look. It's a matter of degree here. Yeah i just think it's this is not a persuasion thing to me. This is not about the coverage the vaccine requirements. Gotta get done and they gotta get down fast because by the time we if we put them in place in december after everyone's decided they like the nfl done and put in place. It's too fucking late in. A bunch of people have died so like as fast as we can. We put in place if they're doing it behind the scenes that's fine but they gotta do it at some point message about the pandemic in his governing record will sharpen into a campaign message for the midterms. We preview that on friday in virginia when the president campaigned for the first time. With former governor terry mcauliffe in his race against republican glenn yung-chen biden focused on his work to end the pandemic and save the economy but he also called young an acolyte of donald trump and said quote i ran against donald trump. And so as terry. I whipped donald trump in virginia. And so will terry This is interesting because the timing i recorded interview with with congressman. schiff before we started talking about this he basically said if kevin mccarthy is speaker if the republicans win the house it'll be like donald trump is speaker. What do you guys think about this. Clear strategy on behalf of democrats. Now tie all of these republican candidates to donald trump. Is he the same thing in in california their ads running nonstop saying stop the trump est recall of gavin. Newsom over were last night. Yeah like i edit i. They tried to overturn the election. Now the insurrection set there is on california and gavin newsom. So i mean. I think i was like okay. Maybe i don't know like yeah sure. Why not let's go for it if the trump thing i'm sure i'm sure i'm sure is pulling while just Donald trump is not popular and a changing virginia and the way in which donald trump has been covered has never treated him like a normal politician but as a normal politician. Donald trump is a deeply unpopular divisive. Figure that turns off a lot of people especially the kind of people a republican needs to bring back. They're going to win in a state like virginia in the suburbs. The places where trump has lost the places where of those republicans could come home to a more moderate or kind of less less uncivil figure. And i think they're trying to make sure that doesn't what's interesting about that biden messages. Essentially the maga message because i was watching The turning point usa event that became this by the trump arizona. Speech and that little schlub Charlie kirk who runs the organization said if you were silent about what happened to twenty twenty get out of the party and run as a democrat so these members are going to get squeezed on both sides and essentially get forced into taking this position. And you know it's probably a state by state thing in terms of how polls and what it'll mean for terry mcauliffe for someone in running in arkansas or whatever but interesting look hey it's a strategy i. I haven't seen this anywhere though. I'm sure it is everywhere. I've just missed it. But like calling him Glenn trumpian is just like right there for the taking care that seems like a that seems like it's in a fucking yeah democratic fundraising email right now. I'm not saying a good idea. But i'm going to say it's probably going to happen. It's not you just did it. Did it what. I'm worried about is like i don't want it to be too simplistic i could tell love it. That's sort of what you might have been sharing it with like. I don't i think one of the one thing that we didn't do as much in twenty twenty is we didn't define the republican party and the threat from the republican party. What we said is trump is the biggest threat to democracy right now and so joe biden needs to be done. That was the right thing to do. In twenty twenty because trump was a fuck an existential threat to democracy. Well all these months later is all the republicans have sided with trump on the You know insurrection and potential Potential coup there I do think that in twenty twenty two. We need to have a message about the republican party. And it's not. Just what does it mean to be like trump. What does it mean to be republican party. That has remade itself in trump's image. It's like a very subtle difference. But i think you need to describe republicans in what's wrong with them and was bad about them. That's not just overall all trump. I think it's one of the debates that kind of plays out over and over again in terms of democratic messaging is. There's an impulse on the part of democratic campaigns to focus on kitchen table issues because those poll really well for democrats they pull really poorly for republicans than you have. I think another argument. that's also valid. Which is like. We can't simply ignore the assault on democracy. Even though there is this like kind of surface level pulling the tells us is not the place to fight. Donald trump one of the moments of his lowest popularity after four years of fucking misrule was when he was trying to overturn obamacare. That was just true right and like painting. Republicans not just trump best Because we don't like him personally but because we don't like his beetle low tax rates for corporations Cuts to social services like we have to figure out a way to make this a message that ties the anti-democratic and the kind of incivility that people hate To the the policy agenda that's harder to kind of get the media focus on certainly by taking that they're all like trump. You're calling them extremists. And i think that there's a way to define what a republican extremists means today and that can range anywhere from voting against relief checks which they did to voting against a bipartisan panel to investigate an attack on the capital right. They're all sort of a piece but again later. Trump is at the terms of the debate here because he said at this speech. We're about to talk about that. The election lied. We know him feeling election was stolen from him. Is the biggest issue there is. I think that's a direct quote he says is bigger than the border. It's bigger than flation. It's bigger than to him. This is the core issue that republicans should be talking about. So they'll probably get there so we should meet them. They're not just not just should be talking about have to be talking about. Unless you're you're out unless you want to be punished all right when we come back Tommy will talk to congressman adam. Schiff putting of america is brought to you by the new york times. 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Nancy pelosi refused to let him appoint members who said they wanted to sabotage them but there will be two republicans on the panel. Thanks to pelosi. Representatives luis cheney and adam kim zinger here to talk more but what we can expect from. These hearings is one of the democratic committee members chairman of the house intelligence committee and a longtime friend of the pod. Congressman adam schiff congressman. Welcome back thanks. Great to meet with you so you said. The goal of this committee is first and foremost to uncover the truth about the one. Six attacks are there additional goals. Will there be recommendations of some sort after the committee finishes its work and more importantly how can the work. You're about to do be used to help. Make sure there's not another one sex. Well that really is the the entire point which is We want to conduct a thorough investigation. Follow the evidence but make a series of san recommendations about how to protect the country going forward to make sure that there is not a next attack on the us. Capital one state capitals. And you know we were just doing some preparation for the hearing tomorrow. And any number of the insurrectionist said okay. Next time. they're going to do x. Y. so there was certainly an attention among those who attacked capital that day to continue the unfinished work. They set about So those recommendations about how to protect our democracy and our capital and our people as can be among the most important parts of this country. We're seeing this troubling sort of rewriting of history where republicans are more and more willing to suggest that the insurrection. One six for freedom fighters. You're trying to put together. This committee with the speaker. And kevin mccarthy is calling liz cheney an atom kensington or two republican members of congress pelosi. Republicans suggesting that the The committee isn't bipartisan. Because they aren't real republicans presumably because they don't support trump's election lie. Unfortunately we're seeing parts of the mainstream press even kind of repeat that spin. How do you do. We all push back on these sort of kevin mccarthy politico playbook definition of a republican or bipartisan. As trump sycophants as people who support the insurrection or will repeat his lies on critically. I think that Liz cheney is really the case point because here. She was the number three personal republican party. She's more conservative than at least the phonic far more conservative war within the tradition of the gop. But she's thrown out of her leadership position and replaced with the phonic. Why because she refused to carry the presence of big live and kevin mccarthy's big lie and that cost her her job at she was replaced with someone Emily stefanik who was willing to carry those big lies. The republican party sadly right now is a cult around the former president. it's an antidemocratic anti truth cult. And if you're not willing to be part of that then you're essentially a cast aside but kevin mccarthy look we're determined to get to the truth We have a great body of members now on the committee. Democrats and republicans nor wedded to the truth. And that's what this call's. Our constitution requires in this circumstance. What are some of the most important questions that still hasn't been answered in your mind about one six that you're going to be looking for answers to On the committee. I'd like to know what we know in advance january six. What do we know about those who were planning this. What we know about the potential for violence. What was known within the administration of participation of these are white nationalist groups. Why were we so prepared. And why was why would reinforcements so slow to arrive. These are of the questions. What level of financing was involved in this. What plans to these groups have for future attacks on the capital democracy. But one of the overarching questions for me is and this is i. Think was really Summed up by one of the officers that day when he asked after being subject to racial epithets. And seeing these people attack the citadel democracy is this america. Is this what we have to expect. Now when one side loses an election that they don't accept the results of that is now okay to use violence to achieve political end and to stoke bigotry division in furtherance of that violence. I think one of the recommendations we need to make is how this country is going to once again solidify our support for democracy and make sure that this experiment self-government continues and will thrive. Because it's now. I think a greater risk than sure tom mile lifetime. I'm sure there are a lot of conversations and debate around the witness list. Obviously potential witnesses include former members of the trump administration members of congress even potentially kevin mccarthy himself potentially donald trump himself. How are you deciding who to call as witnesses and then how are you making. Sure that if they don't voluntarily comply that they will in fact answer a subpoena. Because obviously this was a challenge during the impeachment hearings where we are much early stages of the investigation and one of the first steps is developing the scope of investigation. What issues we're going to drill into and where is the evidence that we need in terms of resolving the questions about those issues. You don't usually start out at the top. You work your way up in terms of the seriousness of the issues on the witnesses. Hopefully you get a lot of the documentary evidence that you can follow up question. Witnesses with so You know i think at this point. It's premature to be saying precisely who will be breaking in. But it's going to require. I think at the end of the day the use of compulsion to get some of these acids We wanna make sure that when we request documents we get them all at if you do it simply out of auditory basis than people can refuse and there's no Repercussions so i favorite uses penis. Normally we would start with voluntary compliance and goes sabina. But i don't think we want to wait. And in terms of witnesses if they're witnesses that irrelevant and they refuse and will lead us. Subpoenas i if they still refuse that will lead to figure out what tools do we have to compel him to come in. And we may have some more tools now than we did over. The last four years is trump is a witness on my table. At least on the chairman. Eddie thompson has said. Basically everyone is on the table and that includes the former president according to one of the trump books of lanka told someone. She was standing by mike. Pence is a good man and that she thinks interaction thing is bad because we call the trump family. Because they're you know they're paint pictures of themselves in these books where everyone looks like a bit of a hero. And i'm curious if we can get some of these quotes under oath well as you say this tremendous amount of revisionist history not just about january six about the actors within the trump administration. There's been an effort to rehabilitate damaged and destroyed reputations where it's realm to january six where witnesses have important information We're not gonna rely on self serving public statements. We will wanna bring in those that relevant. I don't wanna say that's true of vodka. I simply don't know and we haven't made specific visions but we're not going to rely on the self serving accounts we're gonna make sure that people are put under oath that relevant testimony so slightly different topic You know th. There's a lot of concern growing concern. I think among activists voting rights attorneys us about voter suppression efforts. We're seeing in dozens of states along with the likely gerrymandering. That will happen in a lot of states that could have the potential to essentially rewrite the maps and in so doing hand republicans the majority in twenty twenty two through a gerrymander. How concerned is is leadership about that potential. And you know. Is there a plan to try to stop it. Deeply concerned And i know i feel. This is an existential issue. In for our party for democracy. I think every effort has to be made in passage one best congress voting rights act. You know one thing unconvinced. Those in that is if the situation was reversed and mitch. Mcconnell is running senate republicans control the house and control the white house and there was something they felt. Existential mcconnell would find a way to get it done and we darn well made to find a way to get it done. Also i n time is running out a particular when it comes to the gerrymander. So i feel a real sense of urgency. I think the president is states. Need to be working on this every day. He needs to be worked with joe mansion to find a pathway to a carve out of the filibuster when it comes to this foundational right to vote and failing to get that done we are simply going to have to mount the most massive turnout operation in our history and overcome obstacles. They put in our way including these bigoted. Jim crow laws that are being enacted around the country. Just one little follow on that. I mean there's been some reporting that suggests that the white house thinks that maybe we can just out organize a gerrymander as one of the people who would be potentially asked to do that. or on behalf of colleagues. Who might be asked to sort of out. Organiz a gerrymander. Do you think that's feasible or even possible. And wonder what how you reacted to that is. I don't even contemplate that possibility. I just wanna make sure we do everything to prevent gerrymandering. First place one thing. I'm convinced of analysis. If they're allowed to gerrymander it will be the most severe gerrymander ever Republicans feel they can gerrymander their way into majority and they could be right about And i don't want to simply rely on. The fallback will do everything humanly possible if that becomes necessary but right now we should be focused on whatever it takes to get. Legislation passed requiring states news independent commissions so like california. I think that's achievable. But i think it will require the president's personal en- daily involvement in this fight to carve out this area from filibuster And i wouldn't. I wouldn't give that task anyone else. Because the success of his presidency also ultimately depends on doing away with the gerrymander of making sure. That we end these disenfranchisement efforts. You tweeted the other day. That republicans have good conscience both in power and out must take their party back so only seventeen. Republicans in congress voted to impeach trump. The second time and the guy is currently front runner for the republican nomination in two thousand twenty four. How is the republican civil war. Anything but over already. And and what are the applications for that you. There was a brief moment. all-too-brief when mitch mcconnell flirted with madison conscience after the insurrection spoke out In very strong terms about trump's responsibility for the bloodbath day and using the largest megaphone of the world to push out these lies about election Except that he lost but it was only two weeks after that he was asked wealthy nominee Support of his answers absolutely. That's how long those matters of conscience held out for two weeks. Which was really almost two weeks longer than it did for kevin mccarthy and it's a terrible tragedy for the country because there was a chance that we might turn a corner after that day. I'm but the reality. Is i think as long as donald trump who's on scene. We're going to be struggling with this. You're right to say that in this initial round that that fight has been won by donald trump the oems that part in lock stock and barrel. But we're not gonna have a truly functional democracy until the republican party stops being cult of that indecent immoral in the being come say party of ideas and so our long it takes is going to be out long. It takes for our country to recover. Just one question about the colts You mentioned house. Majority leader kevin mccarthy. He famously used to pick out the red and pink starbursts and give just those two president trump because he thought president trump preferred just red and pink starbursts. Have you ever asked him what his problem is. With our orange arbor's because i find them to be quite good and i find this whole charade a little bit insulting well but i. I think maybe the probably weren't starburst. Is that you know it. Might add to the foreign. Press discoloration. But no i think that kevin mccarthy view that it's among the most important responsibilities as republican leader right and don't even get me started on. He probably would do with the. i mean. this is very funny. Of course because kevin mccarthy is a sycophant. how concerned are you about what it looks like for republicans to take the house again and what that might mean because it feels like the stakes are bigger than the usual midterm election. Where one party takes control of congress or not and that now we have a party that has so frontally attacked democracy so brazenly an openly in charge of the house. Meaner you worried personally. Are you worried for the country. Like what is the level of concern you have about giving republicans power again in this country. I'd ask that question. Because i don't think there's been enough. Focus on just. What a calamity. It would be if mccarthy ever set foot. In the speaker's office kim mccarthy was made for a moment like this a moment of a trump presidency presidency when there is no devotion in that party to truth. That was a moment made for kevin mccarthy. And it's not just that we would have republicans controlling one chamber and a legislative gridlock and we could make progress on climate or any number of other vital existential issues. It's that we would have someone very much mirroring. The immorality of the lack of character of the former president. In the speaker's office. If it were kevin mccarthy. This is a contingency to which all efforts must be made to avoid. I think effectively of kevin mccarthy era became speaker. Donald trump will be speaker whether he was named speaker or not he will be effectively running representatives. His lies would a kevin's lies and kevin lies would be the lies of the house of representatives on so we need to make sure that never happens. Yes we do Everyone get ready to vote in. Twenty two congressman schiff. Thank you so much for joining and good luck with the hearings this week. Thank you very much positive. America is brought to you by huma. This sustainable sneaker brand creating cool series comfortable kicks in a way. That's better for you. And the planet here pod save america. We found ourselves with an unofficial team sneakers through the from kerry huma. A classic canvas. Sneaker is a summer staple the clothes. To- solution the heat waves and last minute invites an unknown dress code. Even celebrities have favorite pair. You'll catch jon hamm pete davidson john lovett. Chris martin tommy vitor helen mirren and more and carry whom his bestsellers. 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We thought we'd bring you the top five batch it craziest moments from trump's arizona speech Let's hear number five. How about the vaccine. I came up with vaccine. They said it would take three to five years gonna save the world. I recommend you take it. But i also believe in your freedoms one hundred percent but just so you understand but it was a great achievement. It was a it was a sandwich. there i'm awesome. Look what i did. you don't have to take you don't want but it's awesome that i did it recommend you take it. I recommend checking about like clear does not want that clip alone doesn't wanted out there alone. That's why i get so frustrated when you wake up in the morning and politico playbook says why joe biden giving more speeches about this because it just so clear that that's not going to be effective. That's not the problem. Joe biden is not the solution here. It's donald trump. Both sides saying the vaccine in the middle of a massive new surge. It's like i'm not defending biden thing. The response has been perfect. But it's like if trump came out and said hey. You're all going to die if you don't get this vaccine. Get it tomorrow if you want. Be part of this movement. There's one thing you need to do. I get this vaccine. We need your help. You need voting. Get the vaccine. Yes this is i. I'm a hundred percent with you on this one. This is slightly different than my should be. Pushing vaccine biden should say not do right on the say like chris. Christie was actually saying this over the weekend he he's like i talked to some guy convinced him to get the vaccine and what he doesn't want. Here's like joe biden out there. Every day and tweeting and kamala harris tweeting like get vaccinated. Isn't doing anything. And he's right at this point the way going i'm just being like get vaccinated is not message and the messenger. It's going to happen locally. It's going to happen in communities is going to happen from trusted sources like doctors or people you know where people in your family. That's how you're going to get people. Accented and clearly donald trump does not want to be part of that effort even though he was vaccinated among us one nine one of the first people vaccinated and did so in secret and wants credit and credit for it. All right let's listen a number four. I said why wouldn't this governor. Doug ducey you know when i did rallies when i did rallies he always wanted to be in the front row. Could you mention my name place. Or i'll mention but introduce and i wouldn't get much of an applause to get a lot of booze and i kept saying this guy's not very popular but now you know what he's not popular with me either came to see me. They said sir. Would you like him to run for the senate. i said. He's not getting my endorsement. The mitch the mitch. Mcconnell's another beauty by the way the mitch mcconnell republican mitch mcconnell the old crow crow world. He'll important part of that clip. And i just could not stop laughing at crow mitch. Mcconnell crew things saying chrome so for some reason. I also watched Arizona congressman paul gosar little speech. He's a republican congressman from the fourth district. So you know that scene in men in black when the alien first comes down and then he takes over the body of the mechanic. Yep he's got that sort of like weird effect. Where like you can like lurches around vincent auto down one of his great performance. Think that he's wearing of incident. aprio suit. yeah that's the cool thing about it. And so the number of theories that they're going through it to get to this audit like they think four hundred. Seven hundred ballots were altered. He's recommending a documentary. Called kill chain was either documentary or twenty nineteen nick cage movie. But there's i what i'm trying to get at. His slowly is that there's really no difference between this gosar speech in where trump is on the audit and on what's happening in arizona in terms of the election. Lie in the pogos or speeches. Like one of the things i've ever watched them is it. My thought hearing that is without a doubt. Doug ducey is the presents like the greatest threat to you know. Mark kelly or or cures and cinema in arizona because he is one of the few sort of let's call them. Establishment republicans sure left in arizona. The arizona republican party is well known for all the rest of. It's fucking kooks right from kelli ward to Joe are pyo and the rest of the crew and i. It made me think like you know we've been sorta worried that you know. The donald trump is going to remake the party in his image and endorse. All these trumpy candidates. we're going to wreak havoc. And i still worry a great deal about that. But like the fact that he's going to go all in against ducey when clearly their best candidate there is very telling you wonder how many different places around the country That will happen. Well yeah i mean. Look the only time the republican party and donald trump's interests have one hundred percent aligned is when donald trump was on the ballot because donald trump wants to win. And they want him to win but You know. I think we'll see a mix of trumpian politics driving. Turn out of that base combined with some of the kind of blowback we saw in georgia with donald trump sowing chaos because he sees it in his interest to be a kingmaker. Or i always get those confused but defenestration regicide. Yes sometimes he wants to make kings and sometimes he wants to do regicide. Yeah just it's just so jarring gosar talk about who killed ashley abbott bracelet. And and he's a again suggesting that insiders from the fbi in doj were part of the insurrection. it's like that guy was one or two speakers before trump. That's the party now. The one place where trump really smart on the politics is bashing mcconnell again keeping thinking about that unite the country memo the pro biden superpac and they said the the one politician that even the strongest biden voters in the strongest trump voters. All hated was mitch mcconnell. It was like it was the one thing every person in the focus group all the focus groups agreed on that mitch. Mcconnell was garbage so running against mitch. Mcconnell in two thousand twenty two again seems like a smart move All right let's listen a number three. And i only wish that my friend mike pence had that additional courage send to send the results back to the legislatures. Not for nothing. It's amazing to me. That trump still thinks that mike pence had the power to send the results back to this so that it should be obvious. So there's a story in political over the weekend. That pence is all but gone from the ticket. If trump runs again and that they're viewing everyone who is considering running in twenty twenty four as a potential running-mate and it was interesting to read that because you don't often read about a former vice president being jettison from a ticket especially not as successful ticket but then to hear that riff over and over and over again like of course he's gone he's gone but it's funny. That pence still thinks he has he chance in his is hitting the like chicken dinner circuit. Going all these iowa dinners stuff and thinks he's like you look. I mean that's real. That's real optimism. A crowd of angry maga- supporters were chanting for you to be hung. And then you still. You still think you have a chance with them. That's that's optimism. It's hey mike if your date tries to hang out. That's a dealbreaker unit. I mean like they don't want you. They wanted to kill you as they wanted to kill you the old saying the people. You're campaigning to win the votes of wanted to kill you. Tell me to your point about the piece about pence getting denison from the ticket and it really all of the contenders right. Now that are potentially running in two thousand. Twenty four are acting more like they are doing an audition for trump's vp than they are candidates right now whether it's christie gnome whether it's to santa's Any of them all they're doing is sucking up trump as much as possible. They don't seem like candidates were running to win. They seem again into running to be donald trump's by sixteen dynamic all over again it. It's the jeb. Bush gnome as nomads. Basically bashing the other republicans suit honestly like these people tried to save their states. Covert not me this one. That's why i should be vice-president. Well she also wants and she probably also wants trump to santa's as a threat so that of course all and also i think just. They're waiting for the moment trump decides. It's time to destroy. Ron just anxious to bitcoin. Make a point about what happens if you poke your head up the which is by rondo. Santa's being super nice and not even obliquely making any contract with big and meanwhile the washington post reported over the weekend that trump superpac has raised seventy five million dollars this year. In none of it has gone toward these audits. These attempts to overturn the election. So it's all bullshit y- y fund them when you can just talk about them like important thing ever but not actually spend your limited money on them aright number to the us woman. Soccer team is a very good example of what's going on earlier this week. They unexpectedly lost to sweden three to nothing and americans were happy about it. Prove that point. Before i even said it america first. He's got a crowd rooting against america in favor of the socialists swedes. While they're white the swedes or wait zero country. He likes that. He always talks about believable in this section. He said his makes you lose ruins. Your mind ruined you as a person Then he accused the left ruining baseball. Because the cleveland indians changed their name to the cleveland guardians then he attacked lebron james and he said the ratings went up after his team was defeated. Donald trump's point is that the ratings for the nba. Finals were higher than for the first round of the playoffs. That sort of stands to reason. But there's a real a real rant a real anti athlete anti american rant here. That is in stark turn anti transit one point two that was the lebron the lithuania tax transgender athletes journey quite a journey. But i also. I also think this is you know media and i were talking on thursdays pod but an example of like a culture war. The democrats should not shy away from like. This guy is now against american sports right rooting against athletes. That's not popular with most of the country. I again Right now chiron. The fox news of the left that doesn't exist for a full week Republicans turn on america's athletic heroes for a full week and then it would become a story. And then you start seeing in the polls that they had this anti-patriotism problem but of course that won't happen because we have a we're fighting an asymmetric Battle here but yeah no. i mean. we'll run it as a chiron and chiron here so we get our fox news of the fox news of the left. Chiron all right terrific. The number the number one most batch it crazy moment from donald trump's speech and arizona here it is the county as for whatever reason also refused to produce the network routers routers sunny. Wendy we gotta get those routers please. Routers come on. Kelly we can get those routers those routers. You know what it. We're so beyond the routers so many fraudulent votes without the rep. But if you got those routers what that will show. And they don't want to give up the routers they don't wanna give them. They are fighting like hell. Why are these commissioners fighting not to give the routers. How simple could it be. That will tell the truth you. He knows what a router is ever seen router. Do you guys know the backstory of what this where this game. I didn't intend to learn it. But now i wanna hear it. I found out about the cleveland indian chasing their names cleveland guardians from you. And so so so i mean you know exports go thank Maricopa county doing audit. They're trying to subpoena the network routers used by the county's election division. Does the leaders think the voting machines were online and that's how votes were electronically transferred from trump to biden. This is a part of this bigger impossible to follow conspiracy theory that alleges the election theft was orchestrated by someone working in the us embassy in rome. The italians are and they used italian. Military satellites to change votes from trump to biden in. This was apparently orchestrated by obama. The former prime minister of italy premise or rienzie in the cia is basically manufactured by some website. Group entity called nations in action. And so the the italian job show. I'm sorry i just italian military satellites. What are those and so what. The the people in charge of the elections in arizona are saying is hey if we give you all are routers. It'll cost a six million dollars to replace them but this is like this. Is the information problem right. He just every week. Spout something new. It's impossible what does he does. He think is in the routers. Perfect kind of for how he doesn't know what a router is. He sees it there. He has some fun because it sounds technical. It sounds like something you should try to get those. He won't get them writer. Goes you wake routers. Because he knows even without the routers he's still going to make the same argument. It does like to make a serious point like this is the new kind of conspiracy theory that is much harder to combat. Which is it's conspiracy without the theory. Like tommy just outlined one version of the story. There are i now believe. Of course they're calling italy gate hundreds of thousands of views on youtube videos about this but really what they want but the microchip in the vaccine the election is fraudulent and then you say the elections fraudulent and it's a command to all of these people to create a theory from the ground up. That can help make that argument and so you don't need any specific as trump doesn't need to latch on any one kind of case neither does Evil dentist paul gosar and and what happens is all these people from the ground up generate their own version of the truth. Any one them Is fine on any given day. The same thing happened with benghazi. We're going over and over again. The same thing happened. I think some of the conspiracy theories around hunter biden grew. Yanni generates these and this is and so. it's just an endless. There's no way to stop it because it's it's it's from the ground up. It's not from the top down. They're complicated and they're kind of lurid and detailed right so the georgia remembering atlanta. There was a water main breaks. They leave the building came back in whatever now. He says that water main break on election night was fake. That political operative stuff the bunch of ballots with fake ballots that were under a table. He said that people were so upset that they threw up watching. You think that's pretty. They've seen you think reported out. Somehow it has not that the talion hacked us but again like the fringe organization knows ever heard of youtube videos. It just comes out of the united states and again there's scary real life consequence here in addition to the fact that this is all barreling towards another trump. Run for president but In georgia today now because of the new law the republican state legislature is moving taking steps to take over elections in fulton county. Which is the things that we're most worried about with. Some of these voter restriction bills is the fact that republicans are just going to try to take over nonpartisan elections or elections where republicans random were not sufficiently loyal to don. I says you like this. Conspiratorial mindset in facts every aspect of our culture including the resistance of the vaccine. And you know. A lot of people gave sean hannity. I think credit. He didn't deserve for how he said how. He pointed people toward the vaccine research. Like crazy talk to your doctor. Many people vaccine is a good option. 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The Justice Department, Congress and the Press

The Lawfare Podcast

48:10 min | 4 months ago

The Justice Department, Congress and the Press

"There are questions here that are much greater than the nuts and bolts propriety of whether or not the fbi department of justice followed procedures there. There's a bigger issue here about whether or not these leaks. Were bad and whether or not they merited response this large and whether or not it is appropriate to learn more information from the current partner justice administration about the behavior of the past administration to satisfy ourselves. I'm benjamin with us. And this is the law fair. Podcast june fifteenth. Two thousand and twenty one. A spree of stories has emerged over the last week or so that the justice department under the prior administration obtained phone and email records of several journalists and several members of congress and staffers and even family members. It's provoked a mini scandal calls for investigation. Howls of rage and serious questions to discuss it all and figure out what we can say. We gathered in the virtual jungle studio gabe rotman of the reporters committee for freedom of the press. Pete struck formerly of the fbi. L'affaire senior editor quinta jurassic and berkeley law professor and l'affaire contributing editor or incur. We covered a lot of ground. What do we really know about these stories. And what happened in these investigations. Was it legal. Was it legitimate. How should it be investigated. And by whom and what does it mean that. None of the prior attorneys general or deputy attorney general seem to remember it. It's the law fair. Podcast june fifteenth the justice department congress and the press. Okay before we get started after we recorded what follows the house. Judiciary committee issued a statement that reads in part recent reports suggest that during the trump administration that partner justice used criminal investigations pretext to spy on president. Trump's receive political enemies. It remains possible that these cases which now include members of congress members of press and president trump's own white house castle are isolated incidents. Even if these reports are completely unrelated they raised serious. Constitutional separation. house concerns congress. Must make it extraordinarily difficult if not impossible for the department spy on the congress. Oil news media. You should make it hard for prosecutors to hide behind secret dad orders time re cannot rely on the department alone to make these changes on quotes the house judiciary committee consequently oust that it will investigate the former administration surveillance of quote members of congress the news media and on quote this host dated the recording of this podcast. So please bear that in mind as you listen to follow so quinta i want to start with you. Bring us up to speed. I thought we were done discussing. Mike flynn and the investigation of him. How did this all come back. It is a pretty tangled tale. So i will give you the overview as best. I can essentially all. This has come to light more or less over. The past month was sparked by a series of disclosures from the justice department under attorney-general merrick garland to various news organizations. So the washington post cnn and the new york times that the department had in some cases sought in some cases sought and obtained a phone and email records from various reporters at those news organizations in the case of the washington post reporters. It's seems based on the timeframe from which the data was requested that the investigation may have involved a story. The post reported about a conversation between jeff sessions who is at the time on the trump campaign with russian ambassador sergei kislyak about the campaign or perhaps about obama administration efforts to counter russian interference in the two thousand sixteen election. The subject of the cnn. requests is unclear but the the justice department is seeking records for pentagon reporter barbara starr and then when it comes to the new york times. The times indicates that the subject matter the department was investigating seems to involve a story that the paper published about fbi director. James comey's decision on how to handle the clinton email investigation which involved a mysterious document of russian origin that was misleading and nature And which led komi so. He said to change the way he had handled the email investigation. That it's pretty tangled. We can get into that more letter if you like. Essentially according to the new york times the trump administration has pursued leak investigation into whether komi was a source for that story and so the suggestion is essentially that these records from reporters at the department may have sought those records as part of that leak investigation. So that's sort of part one of the story part two of the story or maybe part one a is that it later turned out that the times and us cnn the executives and lawyers at those organizations were placed under a gag order over requests for records of their reporters and then the other part of the story is that on june tenth. The new york times broke the story that in two thousand seventeen two thousand eighteen. The justice department had successfully requested. That apple handover email meta data and account information from a variety of people linked to the house. Intelligence committee So now chairman. Adam schiff a representative eric. Swale well as well as committee. Aides and family members including at least one minor and apple also received gag order according to chairman. Shift the justice department environment may that the investigation was closed. But this news. I think really revitalized the discussion. That had been circulating so far about these Requests information from reporters. Congress pretty predictably was irate. I would say And there was a great deal of discussion about sort of what. What would happen. Next on june eleventh. A justice department inspector. General michael horowitz announced that he would be investigating these investigations after these demands from congress. There's also some some sort of odd little loose ends here about whether or not Attorney general bill barr previous attorney. General jeff sessions and a deputy attorney general rod rosenstein were aware of these requests at the time. They they all say that they don't recall and also i should know that the justice department apparently according to the washington post also requested information firm. Then white house counsel don mcgann in february two thousand eighteen. Well he was gel white house counsel so all of this is is a bit confusing. There is a lot we don't know But that is. I think that the picture as we now understand it as of monday. June fourteenth at our unfortunately so gabe before any of this broke. You wrote with bruce brown your colleague at the reporters committee a piece for l'affaire in which you gain of advice are reckon policy recommendations to the attorney general about how to handle media leaks investigations in the future as well as handle these past ones talk a little bit about when if ever it is appropriate for in your view for a such media subpoenas or subpoenas for foreign any male records of of press people to take place so i think in this case so before addressing the the that question in one thing here. That's particularly important to note with these requests with with other requests is that there is a set of internal policy guidance at the justice department that governs when in how members of the department can seek information from a members of the press in leak investigations in one of the key provisions. There and this was a change. Actually to the guidelines. Following controversies Under the obama administration When the justice department sought records from the phone records from the associated press in the actual content. For for james rosen. There was a change. Those guidelines requiring were putting in place at presumption of notice to the affected journalist or news organization before seeking to compel the production of meditated. Like this you know or other types of investigative steps the presumption of notice can can only be overcome. If the attorney general make certain determinations and those the exceptions to that presumption of notice are supposed to be pretty narrow grave harm. National security significant harm to an investigation Or threats to life and limb in. What's really important to know here is whether the presumption of notice provision in the guidelines was strictly followed the question about when it's appropriate disease records journalists the justice department itself recognizes that such investigative steps are particularly sensitive that if they're overbroad you can identify sources beyond just the source that you're trying to identify specific Leak investigation you can give visibility into what the newsroom is thinking about. And because of that there are these these guidelines in place at the justice department. That are really there. You know to ensure that investigative steps like these occur only in the most extraordinary situations pete you were part of the russia investigation and were still involved in it. At the time that the administration shifted. How should we understand this spree of subpoenas both on the congressional side and on the media side to what extent is. Is this what you would expect to see given. Jim commes publicly expressed at the time anxiety about the leaks. I mean he did say in public that he was very upset about the leaks and in congressional testimony that he was investigating them aggressively. Is this a a reasonable reflection of that or do you look at this pattern of of data record acquisition and say. I had no idea this was going on. I think that the question answer two ways the first is that the leaks that we saw in two thousand sixteen in two thousand seventeen particularly surrounding russia in the trump campaign and then administration were unprecedented in volume compared to anything i saw over the course twenty or career and having said that i think response government in response to those leaks investigating particularly the breadth of the activity not only with the reporters but then getting some this information about congress with similarly unprecedented and there's a difference in the answer about whether or not policies and procedures were followed versus whether or not that scope was appropriate even if the policies were provided and i do want to flag something in orange going to be much better qualified to talk about this than me. The word record is doing a lot of carrying a lot of water in all of these cases. And it's different in all of these cases in that a couple of things so so when you go out as an investigator you typically want to know who. Your subject is communicating with in the case of media league. You don't know who your subjects is because you have a bunch of people. Typically that have access to classified information so the way you wanna. Fundamental things is investigating. You try and do is look at people and who they communicated with now historically that was buyer communications which evolved to sell their communications and a subpoena would allow you in that. A judge doesn't have to approve. Seen being allow would allow you to go to a telecom. Please jump in. If i get anything horribly wrong here and that telecommunications provider would come back in response to spin it yes. This phone number is owned by pete. And if you ask for it here all the numbers that pete dialed. And all the numbers that dow pete with the advent of the internet and law equa the electronic communications privacy act that addressed a number of things but specifically e mail and the law evolve to the point where a subpoena was not sufficient to get you the to and from type call type data what traditionally would be called told data. And so what that. Meant in the case of investigator. If i send a subpoena to apple or to google and say tell me about this account i'm not gonna get much back on probably getting account owner but not much more. If i wanna get that equivalent of the dialed digits near. Who was calling me. And who was continent down digits term. If i wanna get who died on me and who i dialed that equivalent in email. Who i sent an email to. Who received it who i received from a court order and typically. That's going to be what's called the twenty seven three deep order which is going to direct. That in the judge has to approve. And that is going to give me that to from and some limited metadata. If i want the content. I've got to get a search warrant. But the problem here is the media either because they're lazier lazier because they're ignorant and those aren't exclusive to each other is throwing around the term getting records and getting a you know a subpoena but if you look at it what apple says is hey. We received a subpoena with apple's receiving a subpoena. That's not a court order. They're not getting to and from data. They're not getting the kind of thing that when you hear congressman schiff for when swallow saying they got my records. Well they got whatever they could get. The government could get with the subpoena. And that's a very different when you compare that to the new york times and the new york times says the government sent me a letter saying a court order had been acquired and to me that tells me that's a twenty seven to three d. Which is much more inclusive data wise. And so you know the the issue is that all of these terms are being thrown about the new york. Times is talking about meta data being obtained with the subpoena which is misleading too. Strong a word. But it's not it. It's not entirely accurate. And i think that his head a net effect of confusing a lot of things but it also explains why people. Like when i hear rod rosenstein or turn general sessions attorney general bar saying they hadn't heard about it. There's a very logical explanation for that and that the subpoena wasn't naming a congressman. The subpoena was naming an account saying who owns this and the reason. Nobody knew congressman because the government didn't do no it blocks congressman so only upon return of those subpoena returns. Does the government say. Oh gosh this. Applicant belongs to adam schiff or swan well or somebody's kid so i it's it's a confusing area of law and investigation. And i think a lot of motivations are making it more confusing rather than less all right. Oren first of all is pete right that there may be much last year than meets the eye. Is it possible that this is a situation in which the justice department you know basically said give us a list of who is the owner of a this account and turns out. It's you know eric. Swallows kid or or some staffers and this isn't a targeted effort to investigate members. Congress but something much more anodyne than that yes. I think it's entirely possible in fact to my mind. It's it's likely that that's the case because apple is going to be precise about whether we're talking about a subpoena or a twenty seven three d court order in all likelihood whereas the media is less likely to understand the difference between those two so if when i hear apple say we responded to a subpoena that likely means the government did not go to a judge. They didn't get any transactional information. They just wanted to know who's behind. You know fred. Thirty to forty five at icloud dot com and then it ends up being a known name. And so that's what i suspect is going on. And so that means there's a lot of coverage that makes it sound like the government targeted. Somebody had somebody as a suspect in an investigation. Where for only talking about a subpoena. It strikes me as more likely that that person it just so happened. They were the name behind an account. Who was communicating with somebody else. Who was a possible suspect in the case we. We don't know that we only have. We're getting little pieces of news of the investigation and and so we're trying to piece together. What's happening but at least based on what we've heard that's my guess about what was happening at least with respect to the members of congress in their families or an and gabe should we assume things are different with respect to the acquisition of data on reporters so we know that in the case of the three affected news organizations that were notified that their their records had been seized. It seems very likely that it was a grand jury subpoena for telephone toll records which was successful in obtaining records from the third party communications provider for each of those organizations just to clarify that and the reason. A subpoena would work in this contacts. But not in. The congressional committee or staff contacts is that we're dealing with phone records rather than e mail records and so a subpoena can reach the transactions whereas in the context of email where you're under the stored communications act. You need to do that. Through a twenty-seven three d. Order is that am i understanding that right right exactly exactly and so. We don't know what happened with the washington. Post both cnn. And the new york times there was also a orders in in play and in those cases for the new york times the order for email non content information Went to google and is part of their contract Google resisted and insisted that able to notify. At least the times is newsroom lawyer. In in march it was successful in getting that the gag order that detaches to twenty seven to three d. orders under another section twenty seven zero five successful and expanding that order to permit notification of the times newsroom lawyer who is then able to negotiate notice to senior executives and outside counsel but not to anybody in the news room. And then in the cnn case because one of the email addresses for star of the affected reporter was administered by warnermedia. The order as far as i understand it went to warnermedia itself which then notified the general council the general counsel there was then gagged from notifying anybody else so in the media cases. There's both requests for toll records likely using a subpoena. Those records were Successfully obtained and there's also twenty seven. Oh three d. orders with accompanying twenty seven. Oh five be gag orders. In in the case of the times they withdrew the email demand in the case of cnn. They negotiated a limited disclosure. All right so orrin do you. In light of what you and gave just described do you look at this pattern and say wow this is you know with peed unprecedentedly. Broad aggressive approach to leak investigations though the leaks themselves may have been unprecedentedly. Bad or you know that seems to involve you know targeting for acquisition media figures and potentially democratic members of the house judiciary committee and their staffs or do you look at it and say hey when the fbi director in the attorney general go out and say we're doing some serious leak investigations. This is kind of what you should expect the background record pattern to look like well. I should start with the important caveat that i have never done a leak test institutions. I have no government experience that touches on leak investigations specifically In my long ago heimer the justice department. But i do have the question of how. How's the government supposed to investigate leaks. It seems to me that the way you'd ordinarily wanna go about getting elite would be to get the non content records belonging to the suspects. And then you go to the judge. Get a twenty seven to three d. Order and then you see who that persons communicating with and then you issued subpoenas to find out who those people are. Those are what the tools doorly before and so from that sense. What's being described is kind of what the tools are for. And then i think you end up with a separate question which is whether leak investigations are sufficiently different or were sufficiently sensitive to the first amendment style implications or the general sensitivity of investigating these crimes that we say the normal tools shouldn't be used. These are these are so sensitive. We don't want to use the tools we would normally use in a criminal investigation. And that's a separate question of of propriety. Not legality for me this. How long have you had that mattress. Because it's looking even lumpy or than my lockdown. love handles and while those might be more cuddly. A lumpy mattress is doing nothing for your comfort levels or your sleep. 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I don't know that it's necessarily improper the backdrop to all this is everybody that the people being investigated tend to or serve process overlay very very well with trump's enemies list and that's the backdrop to all this right and that's what's giving everybody at the end of the day a whole lot of concern about whether or not these were appropriate or not and why you know the tension at the end of the day about on attorney. Jim garland about give us enough information to satisfy ourselves that this was appropriate and not a politically driven enemies list set of investigations and whether or not a return to the institutional normalcy will give us that information. We crave but eight reporters is a ton. I mean i've worked a lot immediately investigations for more than a decade and a half and it was rare. I mean once every few years where we would clear the hurdle to get process on one attorney to see that happening with eight simultaneously. And some of the devil's in the details right. I mean some of this is going to need know day. There certainly were Are appeared to be twenty seven to three d. orders that were signed by judge to the media outlets some of those you know the certification is hard for me to say with a straight face to a court that we need a twenty seven to five gag order because it would seriously jeopardize an investigation if it were known. The government were seeking the records when the new york times itself was writing about the fact of the investigation. so what. there's nothing secret left anymore. I'm in the new york. Times is reporting. The government is investigating the leak of this information and interviewing these people. Whose left to know. Wh why is it going to matter and clothing you know there was congressional testimony where people complained rightly in my view about the flynn leaks and you know the fbi director said. I share your anger about it. And you know. I think said that there were a bunch of leak investigations going on right and so in my mind. The one that the the outlier is barbara. Cnn whatever that article is because we can all sit here and through the rush stuff so to rate the things where we think classified might have been released. But you know even the kind of run up the introduction like but what was that barbara starr. Does anybody really know what that classified information was that she disclosing most people. Don't so. I think you could make a good faith argument that having that requests go out might jeopardize investigation but the other one that arguments are getting a little more tenuous than they're. They're things that i think the i look and you know potentially congressional investigation will help that. I'm concerned about one. Is there some reporting that investigators in attorneys concluded that these weren't makeable cases that they weren't prosecutable for whatever reason and that you know bars said while i was facing a lot of pressure so i you know i put in somebody to to to figure out why these had become sort of you know dormant and while they became dormant because there wasn't a case to be made potentially and so does that you know when he places one of his toady you know come on down. Us attorneys in place to quote unquote reinvigorate. It was that proper or not undue political pressure placed upon the attorneys investigators to go do things that they had already concluded. There wasn't a prosecutable case. So i mean those. That's that's i guess. At the end of the day the primary question. i'm most interested in hearing answer about quinta. Let's talk about the congressional reaction you described at the beginning. That members of congress are irate about their their records having been acquired in the course of these investigations and yet as best as i can tell their response seems to be to demand that the justice department investigated. How do you understand. The congressional politics rights before i dive in. Do add one thing to to what pete was just saying. Which is that the new york times noted that impart the leak investigation began to raise some eyebrows within the justice department because some of the material that had been disclosed in these news reports was later disclosed by the government itself as part of trump's declassification spree related to the russia investigation. Which i think is just an additional wrinkle. It's worth drawing attention to so over to congress as you say. The initial reaction was very much outrage. Chairman adam schiff made a statement essentially saying that you know this this was an outrage and that the justice department should investigate it and should investigate other cases that quote suggests the weaponization of law enforcement by a corrupt president. This then sparked a. I guess what i would call a sub tweet by senator bryan shots Who essentially said that. He and i quote respectfully ask the house not to call for investigations from the executive branch. But rather to do it themselves. I think the the message there is sort of. What do you mean you want the justice department to investigate your the intelligence committee. You can investigate yourselves. I will note that as the days have gone on. Members of congress have seemed to be a little more comfortable with sort of maybe starting to think about flexing some muscle so after the inspector general investigation was announced chairman adler of the judiciary committee said that if the department does not make substantial progress up in this medication that we on the judiciary committee will have no choice but to step in and do the work ourselves. I think you could fairly ask. Why don't you just start doing the work yourself now. Given that there are limitations in the scope of the inspector general investigation. There is the fact that the inspector general can't compel testimony from former officials which will maybe to some extent limit what he can do but so congress as this has gone on has edged closer to making and beginning an investigation itself but so far it seems to be deferring to the justice department and sort of saying they're thinking about investigations but they haven't actually started anything yet. Yeah so i'm i'm perplexed by both shifts position and shots shifts position seems to be. It's an outrage that the justice department acquired material on me and my caro at should investigate it which does seem a little oddly passive but shot seems to say that schiff should conduct an investigation of the acquisition of data about schiff which seems like a perfect conflicts of interest. The last thing. I think the house intelligence committee should be investigating is an investigation that touched the house. Intelligence committee orrin. I'm curious what you think. The right answer to. This is if you're is it. An example of congress should just do the self help thing and do it itself and flex its institutional muscle or is this an example of something that if you do it that way you get a standoff over you know. Executive branch deliberative materials with the legislative branch. Whereas if you kick it to horowitz. Those problems go away and you get the investigative so maybe it's better that can can. I just jump in before orrin just to be clear. Shift did say on. Msnbc that he himself should not be investigating this and that another committee should precisely for the reason that you say bent. So i just wanna make sure we're fair to him here. A fair enough orem so i think these sorts of separation of powers fights and tussles are always ones that just kind of our pragmatically resolved best. Buy whoever get the job done. And then he given situation yeah. There's so much uncertainty as to exact scope of authority and who can do what's best and all that that it's it's a practical on the ground question more than more than an abstract ones so i don't i don't have a great abstract answer except it's just what's gonna work best now is kind of the is is the right answer p. What do you think if you were in your the one of us. Who's conducted professional investigations on behalf of the united states government. Which if you want to get the answers that you want to this. What's the right configuration to do the investigation. Well i think the two issues one is going to be the legal policy procedure adherents type work. That the i g will do again back nizing. That's gonna take a long time. The broader question about whether or not the balances right is a political one in many ways much more than it is illegal one and so the the issue is it. Ideally you would have the. I g complete their work. You would have the inspector general. Come in and testify about it and then you could have the follow on. Congressional hearings are have a debate about the problem is that it's gonna take a long time. I mean nothing is going to get done in that regard at least for a year or two and then you've got midterm elections. You're right in the middle then. A presidential election and forty things have seized the public attention. So i don't know that waiting that long as prudent but there is i mean in my mind there are questions here that are much greater than the nuts and bolts propriety of whether or not the fbi and department of justice followed procedures. There there is a bigger issue here about whether or not you know these leaks were bad and whether or not they merited response this large and whether or not it is appropriate to learn more information from the current department of justice administration about the behavior of the past administration to satisfy ourselves whether or not this was legitimate or not. Those things are not going to be solved by micro wits so i think congress is the place to do that in conjunction with the media covering it and getting into a public national debate about it to the extent. We can get people interested in doing that. Gave do you think this is the same issue as the media leaks side. I mean i guess there's two ways to frame this. At least two right one is was the justice department using leak investigations as a sort of proxy to conduct at least meta data surveillance on the president's you know enemies list press and non press alike the second way to frame. It is given the leaks that took place worthies proper investigations right and there's a media side of that and there's a congressional side of that and i guess my question is should we see this as one pattern of activity i acquisition of telephony and email meta data on people who you might think they had no business investigating or should we see it as to patterns of activity acquisition of meta data about journalists acting in their capacity as journalists and acquisition of material about members of congress and their staffs. So i do. I do think that they're different. Which is not to diminish either potential concern that just the nature of a leak investigation could result in investigative steps that you know that are that are potentially troubling and interfering the free flow of information to the public by i think here with respect to the the apple subpoenas. The apple didn't know that this material was related to a members of congress in the nature of the tool. That's being used as that that that's quite possible. In the case of the journalists the justice department you know has these internal policies in place. You know precisely because when you go after the meta data journalist. You know that you're going. After the meta data a journalist you're trying to identify the journalists confidential sources. The very purpose of getting subpoena or the order as we saw in these three cases and the policy overlay is also different. You've got the news media guidelines which require attorney general approval before before you can seek information from journalists in leak cases or other cases prosecutors need to pursue all reasonable efforts to get it from an alternative source and then there's that really crucial notice provision Which is in place to ensure that in all but the most exceptional cases the affected journalists are organization can either gonna go shade over the scope of the records demand or can potentially challenge it in court. If it's improper in one of the key things there too is that that presumption of notice is important because if you delay notice the bell is wrong the you know. The justice department has the records in hand. And if you're the affected journalists reduce organization. There's only so much you can do to to mitigate potential harm to other sources to ongoing stories that the the newsroom is looking into that are not the subject of the investigation so i i do think that they raise different issues and to be looked at looked at differently. And when you look at the media side of what are the big questions. I mean pete describes the says sort of. He's never heard of a situation where you get eight of these things in in a relatively short period of time out. What are the big questions from your point of view. And what would you need to see in order to answer them. So i think one of the biggest questions is i think probably the biggest question is why was noticed delayed here you know who authorized these when and one of the things that. I'm not sure if we talked about yet. Is the records. That were sought from cnn new york times and the washington post. Those records were all from certain periods in two thousand seventeen early in the administration but we know that the authorization for them With given in two thousand and twenty at some point. The cnn warnermedia. a d. order was was was sent around july. And you know. There's various aspects of the guidelines that suggested authorisation was given at some point in twenty twenty for the some point later in two thousand twenty for the others. And when you've got records that are three years old and you're you're authorizing what are supposed to be. This is said in the guidelines themselves extraordinary cases. That's one question the paying they're the exceptions in the notice provision for the guidelines as i said. Are you know significantly impaired the integrity of an investigation grave harm to national security or potential threat to life and limb. The attorney general needs to make the determination that does exceptions apply before authorizing a delayed notice and again that was one of the innovations in the in the guidelines when they were revised under attorney general holder was flipping that presumption of notice so previously. You could only notify the affected news organization or journalist. If you affirmatively determination that notice wouldn't cause harm whereas under the two thousand fourteen two thousand fifteen revisions. There's now a presumption of notice. Unless the attorney general affirmatively determines some arms would result. So i really think we need the The answer to that question and then just very quickly one other one other question is how do these cases fit into the broader historical trend that we've been seeing leak investigations where prior to nine eleven. You had one successful prosecution of journalistic source Under the espionage act you had a couple of prosecutions that Either fell apart or resolved under under different charges. You know since. Two thousand and nine starting under the bush administration and then continuing the obama administration. You seem relatively speaking a significant uptick in the number of leak investigations into journalistic sources. And when my my boss bruce brown and i published that article in in law fair we said that the trump administration's record is that different from what we've seen under obama. The obama administration pursued more cases than all other presidencies bind. The trump administration's record at that at that time was about the same and you know are are these records. Requests targeted at members of the news media at to secure evidence lee cases part of that historical trend. Are they something different you know. How do they fit into that story. All right oren. Quinta and p. d. any of you want to make the argument contra gabe that actually we should understand this as one pattern of activity. The media stuff is that game points to an interesting subset but actually the the real question we need to answer here or a real question we need to answer. Here is whether pete's earlier framing of it is the right one that this just maps onto neatly with the former presidents list of those and we need to satisfy the fundamental issue. Here is not the question of continuity difference between the obama administration on the trump administration. But the question of whether the justice department was weaponising law enforcement authorities for purposes of media and congressional opponents or perceived opponents of the administration. I don't necessarily see those two options as in opposition to one another. Because you could. I think you could easily say well. Perhaps the trump administration was essentially going after enemies here. But it was able to do so because of you know. The the trend that gave has identified and the fact that the justice department's policies on this you know are not particularly rigid one way or another so that you you might be able to look at it as you know. Another example of a sort of trump era course of action on the part of the executive that is both you know within a pattern of executive actions and increasing executive power perhaps over time and also raises a lot of questions about whether or not trump and his justice department abused those powers the to me those seem very tightly woven together as possibilities. You could you could. Have you know the example of the sort of increasing trend of of leak investigations without necessarily the desire to go after trump's necessarily think if there's the ladder we have to discount the former as well if that makes sense or in what do you think. Yeah i i think that's probably right. I think we may not know enough to know whether it's two or one and so maybe it's just hard to tease those two things out. I agree with both gabe and thinking that the delayed noticed the twenty seven. Five be orders. Here are really suspicious. They are both in context in which the government is appealing information about people who are opponents of the administration where it's not obvious what the need is for for the non disclosure and nondisclosure just happens to carry them into the new administration so that struck me as really suspicious and so i think that should be a big part of it whether you see this as one or two pete since you framed. The original issue as mapping onto trump's enemy lest. I'll give you the final word on this when you look at this. Do you see the chef and swale well story as deeply related to the media leaks story or do you see them as separate matters. I see it as a separate matter. I think there is a very again. I don't wanna. I wanna at my comments. What i've seen in the media but i think there are some reasonable arguments being made that the congressional information was obtained through an investigation that was focusing on a particular individual and they were seeking to understand who that individual was in contact with and i can see a variety of very legitimate reasons to try and identify those people now any good investigator or should know if in fact this person the subject was congressional staff. Say that if you go looking for their contacts you better damn well understand that those contacts are probably going to include representatives and other folks potentially members of the media. So you shouldn't be surprised when you open your email of return. Subpoena returns back from apple. And you see the name. Eric swell and adam schiff popping up at you and you sure as heck if you haven't told your boss's boss's boss when you see those name staring up at you from your screen you should immediately you know. Let people know that. And the fact if that didn't happen. Leave that for the i g to do but i do see that. Case presumably that investigation of a qualitatively different character in terms of in my mind potentially greater legitimacy now. We're all speculating right. We don't know what's behind any of this. But when i look at the things that you know is a citizen more than an investigator that offend my sensibilities in the gimme concern. It's very much with the media. Orders and not as much as with the the congressional subpoenas that or the subpoenas the return the names of congress struck endorses acquisition of data on swale wells children. That's the headline everybody. Everybody is going to hate me. Ben by the we are going to leave it there. Pete struck quinta jurassic orin. Kerr gabe rotman. Thank you all for joining us today. The law fair podcast is produced in cooperation with the brookings institution. Our audio engineer this episode was hamas. Sit to of goat rodeo. 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New memo shows Trump lawyer's 6-step plan to overturn election

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New memo shows Trump lawyer's 6-step plan to overturn election

"You're hearing a lot of talk talk about the climate crisis talk about. It's imminent threat talk about potential solutions. But until things change. That's just talk. The only way toward a regenerative economy is to end reliance on fossil fuels joint seventh generation in calling on president biden to act not. Just talk and hold the line. Three pipeline go to seventh generation dot com forward slash. Take action on all. We have to really have people that are going to stand in the line. The moral courage to just say this is how. The results came out inside the effort to overthrow democracy. Look bread i gotta get. I have to find. And i have them time a lot and then i wanted to stay with donald trump. Still trying to overturn the election in georgia meet the republicans still holding the life. Georgia secretary of state brad raffles burger joins me live tonight. And at the end of the day the results were what they were. The president trump did not carry the state of georgia the push to save the country from another donald trump. It shouldn't matter who the president united states is. We should want that president not to be able to use it office to enrich themselves congressman. Adam schiff is here on that. And how texas abortion law just got the plaintiff it deserves and as biden pushes his big clean energy plan. Why is joe. Manchin of all people crafting the climate bill. But all in starts right now. Good evening from new york. I'm chris hayes. You know the other day. I was voraciously reading the news to prepare for this year show and i came across his letter from donald trump to the secretary of state georgia brad ravensburger and in the letter trump asked the secretary state to quote. Start the process of decertifying election. And you know we read a lot here on the program to prepare the show for you. Sometimes we're paying very close attention. Sometimes in the periphery i thought. Oh a new document is just surfaced from those heady days between the november election in january. Sixth those days when donald trump was trying everything he could to end the american democratic experiment. You know when he was attempting to install himself loser over the candidate who want in clear violation of the rule of law. The will of the people. But i was wrong. Trump sent that letter. Four days ago on september seventeenth twenty twenty one and it is a reminder of the fact that while most everyone else may have moved on from the last election donald trump is not and the faction of american politics controlled and controls has not moved on either and that faction controls one of the two viable political parties in this country. Which is to say that faction is just a coin. Flip away from seizing power at any time so we may have dodged the bullet of the twenty twenty election but we were still getting new reminders of just how close we came to losing this democracy and how active the threat remains going forward yesterday another document underlying precisely that threat became public. This one actually is from that period between the election january six it is a memo written by a right-wing lawyer named john eastman. He is a member of the conservative federalist society. In fact he recently co authored. An opinion piece for fox news would know that other than john you who was the legal architect of the torture regime under president. George w bush now eastman. I'm going to try to put this charitably as possible. Eastman is someone who has been willing to argue for views and positions that the vast majority of constitutional scholars would not just project but let that for instance questioning whether kamla harris is a natural born citizen and therefore eligible to vice president. That piece that johnny's been last august caught the attention of you'll never guess donald trump who's always looking for like one or two people who agree with him to give him some gravitas for his nonsense. And so you'll never guess. When it came time to overturn a democratic election eastman became one of trump's. Go people basically arguing for a coup and on january fourth. New york times reported that eastman was delivering a last minute. Pitch at the white house to trump and pence about what the then vice president could do to overturn the election on january six and their new book. Bob woodward robert costa report more details about that meeting. They quote trump is telling pens. You really need to listen to john. He's a respected constitutional scholar. Hear him out woodward and cost also obtained eastman's memo in which he lays out the six step plan. He presented to trump and pence that day as he tried to pressure the then vice president into essentially seizing power. The memo describes blow by blow how he saw the scheme playing out. The key point in his scenario is basically for mike pence to usurp the entire democratic process of this country. He calls on pens to convert. What is it ministerial role. Presiding over the counting of the votes into a substantive role in which hands declares a bunch of electors invalid and contested and thereby throws the elections of house. Representatives where because republicans had twenty six state caucuses. They would prevail. Now what that would mean to extend eastman's logic as evident in the memo is the vice president. The sitting vice president presiding over the counting of electoral votes could always essentially veto. The election could decide unilaterally who the next president is or could just decide to throw the vote. The house giving congress veto power of the votes of the american people. Why election the first place. Obviously that was the case. America would not be a democracy in a recognizable sense. And here's the thing. It's really not clear. What would have happened if mike pence had followed john. Eastman's plant like we don't know we do know that pence was trying to that. He was cou curious if you will according to woodward and kosta pens even called from vice president. Dan quayle to ask his advice. They describe quayle as adamant telling pens. Quote mike you have no flexibility on this none zero forget it. Put it away and ultimately as the mob of supporters of the capital chanted. Hang mike pence and they bashed in the heads of police officers defending the building. Pence did the only thing the constitution would let them do. We did the right thing. The only option to the disappointment of giannis men who spoke at the rally that morning. Famously ahead of the insurrection and then denounced the vice president unsteady. Benon show that evening. that's after the crowd and storm the capital costing several people. Their lives after the cops heads had been bashed in on live national television one week later falling protests about his participation on january six eastman had retired from his job as a professor a california law school. But you know we basically retired comfort. He's still a member of the federal society. So good job federal society ultimately. He's part of an important story from this last election that there were more conservatives in key positions for willing to do the right lawful thing then those we're not there were more brad raffin burgers than john eastman's you might say now. Reference burger has emerged as one of the most notable figures because of just how much pressure was put on him and his state georgia. We now know the full scale that pressure of donald trump's essentially unlawful coup attempt in georgia. Involved a phone call to the governor. George o'brien camp urging him to persuade state legislature to overturn biden's victory in the state and order an audit of absentee ballots signatures trump also intended to fire a united states attorney in the state because he refused to say that widespread voter fraud and found in georgia. Number plotted with a lawyer at the justice department to to pull off a justice department coup or would house the acting attorney general and we'll the departments power to force georgia state lawmakers to overturn the results. Or at least give them cover to do so and now infamously the former president place an hour. Long call to georgia's secretary state brat referenced. Berger trying to get him to change the outcome of the vote. So all i wanna do is i just want to find a eleven thousand seven hundred eighty loads which is one more that we have because we wanted to say and flipping. The state is a great testament to our country. Now we do have away. But i don't wanna get into it. Have we found a way the snakes later. Excuse me but we don't need it 'cause we're only down eleven thousand votes and we don't even need it that's interesting. We've found another way always wondered. Why that is. I think it's probably the eastman plot. He's talking about when he says he found another way. We don't know eight months later. Trump is still at it with this letter. He was four days ago. This addendum claiming large-scale voter fraud continues to be reported in georgia. The number of false end or irregular votes as far greater needed change. The georgia election result. People do not understand. Why you and governor. Brian kemp adamantly refused to acknowledge the now proven fax and fight so hard. The election truth not told brad referenced. Burger is now facing a primary. Challenge from congressman. Jody hice who trump is endorsed. We brought you the story. The other day of another trump endorsed candidate running for secretary of state in arizona. There's evidence that state representative mark. Finchem was one of the key. Stop the steel architect's he was actually outside the capitol on january six. He's been involved with the preposterous arizona. Audit he wants to oversee elections in the state of arizona. so just imagine. If both of trump's candidates has stopped the steel maga- allies win those two races. If they are in power in those two key swing states when twenty twenty. Four rolls around or earlier and that john eastman memo gets dusted off. I tell you this is a plausible future deeply. Dangerous one for this country unless steps are taken to prevent it from happening and who better to discuss this then georgia secretary state brad. Reference burger himself his new book. Integrity counts as november second. And he joins me now. It's good to have you mister secretary. Maybe let's start with your reaction to getting that letter in september seventeenth From the ex president saying you're still stonewalling the proven facts. The election was stolen. We're not stonewalling anything to that. point about. Dekalb county. We opened up an investigation. Probably about three or four weeks ago and we're continuing to investigate it. We've investigated everything and when we have our final report. Dab will hand that over to the state election board for their disposition a but at the end of the day. It's been really now pushing ten months now. Since november election. We continue to fight. This information is misinformation about the election every allegation that was made which i put in my book everyone that was made. We ran down the trap line and we found out that it wasn't supported by the facts. They said that there was thousands of people that voted. That were felons and we found that there. No more than seventy four. They said that there were thousands of people. Sixty six thousand of underage voters where there were zero. They said there's five or ten thousand dead people. There was less than a handful. It's things like that and it's really tough to a. It takes time to do that but we do. Our research the but we knew it wasn't based on the fact and so it's just an issue that we have. I'm a lifelong conservative republican. If you should call me a reagan conservative. And but i do know at the end of the day magyars make you have honest and fair elections and make sure that i follow the constitution follow state law in terms of following the law that the u. recorded that you or your staff that phone conversation with the president. We've all heard it. Heard excerpts look to transcripts this debate about what exactly to call the thing that we saw unfold between november and january culminating in that you know violent mob can cussing police officers on the steps of the capitol. And i'm curious what what would you call. How do you characterize what the president tried to do what he tried to do. In that phone call that he'd been fed information for a long period of time by all of his act lights. And i don't know if he believed that you'd have to ask him what he really bleak. But i do know that books are coming out. And his poll workers his campaign workers retirement. He was behind the whole year. Twenty twenty and so it should not come to him as a surprise that he came shore. But we do have data and we know that in georgia twenty eight thousand people actually skip the presidential ballot so they didn't vote for trump or joe jorgensen. They just skipped it completely but yet they voted down below and vote for all the other races in the metro area. Over twenty thousand people. More voted for senator than they voted for. President trump and republican congressional areas over thirty three thousand votes were got or received by the congressman president. Trump you can really ask. The republican congressman. How come they didn't campaign harder for president. I've just being a little rhetorical there. But that's the facts It just didn't have the votes across the state. You sound like someone. Who's obviously you've taken a lot of criticism from the president other folks right. I saw your deputy sterling coming out to you. Know angrily denounced folks were putting up images of poll workers and leading the security threats. I mean when. I look at the twenty twenty election in georgia. It seems like there's a lot to be proud of. I mean you had very very high turnout. A lot of people were able to vote. We saw awesome voting lines in those first early days of early voting but over time those shrank pretty quickly and it seemed like it was a pretty efficiently run election. And then you've had three counts to verify its accuracy. It seems like this is an election. You and georgia should be proud of twenty one. Our county election directors. They thought they ran a really good election. They said look at all the obstacles we had. We had to get brand. New voted machines up ready for a new election That was happening in twenty twenty then all of a sudden. Kobe hit so they had to run election during a pandemic at all the issues. That you've had your in that year. Then we afterwards we feel like we can beat up and yet to understand that. The county's run elections in georgia. We have one hundred fifty nine counties a wheel over you know. See that but they did it. Amazing job of making sure that we kept line short in november on election day. The lines were less than average less than two minutes long in the afternoon. Some russa forty or fifty but everything was under an hour so so this sounds to me like a success story right. I mean and there's been a lot of attention on on election administration in georgia. So here's my question for you. I know you're a supporter of the law. That was passed on a strict part of vote in both houses and georgia. The election law signed by governor cam. And here's a question i have. What was the problem that lawless trying to solve. You just told me about a great election. We know it was accurate. It got counted three times. It's had more scrutiny than any other election. Lots of people voted. Why would you look at that and say that's a problem. We've got to fix this. Well we do typically every two years. We will update. But if you go back in time we've been fighting. That whole met the voter suppression from stacey abrams tracking the twenty eighteen election. Now this last election it was the other side of that coin which was voter fraud but both of those what they create is a lack of confidence lack of voter trust in the system so we moved away now from using signature match. We've gone to driver's license number. This is something that's been used in minnesota for over ten years now. I think it's a good solid process. It's very objected instead of subject. But here's my question for you right. But here's the thing you just. You just said this. I've heard you say it before that this is restoring confidence. I've read other republicans state. We're confidence the reason for the erosion of confidence particularly on absentee ballots. Which you're talking about. We're gonna change the verification procedure from signature match this new procedure and the reason is restore confidence. The confidence was taken away by lies constantly told about the election. If i go around saying brad reference burgers and inveterate gambler. You gotta keep them out of casinos and then they keep you out of casino. You say why. And they say well because people think you're an inveterate gambler public perception. That's not a good enough reason. You can't point to the misinformation and rebuilding confidence as justification for substantive changes if those were lies being told that eroded the confidence in sp two that we just passed. We actually increased the number of days early voting. That was a great success. We understand we need early voting so we now have seventeen days of early voting mandatory and that any county that wants to add sunday vote. He can do that. Digging to sunday's that's one thousand nine days so think that's but that's i but that's just not responsible. There's a bunch of mail in ballots. There's there's absentee ballots. There's a verification procedure for them. That verification procedure worked objectively checked three times. You know it. I know it you guys come in and say we're going to change that procedure that worked that was shown to work in more scrutiny than probably any other election in country. We're going to change that procedure to restore confidence. And what i'm saying is you can't restore confidence if what eroded the confidence was total lies and nonsense which are still being told about the election. That you oversaw. Well chris. that's why i wrote. My book can take counts because at the end of the day can boil it all down if we don't get back to the most basic things which is integrity. Then we're not gonna fix anything. We'll be whistling in the wind. We have to make sure that we have integrity at all levels and everyone that's elected but also at your election directors. They fight hard for that. They're not looking left or right they wanna make sure they run an honest and fair election. And that's why you need secretary of state if they're going to be overseeing elections you wanna make sure that there are people of integrity that the aren't going to be leaning and tilting of whatever their party. Elite teams are so it gets down to integrity. I will agree. Take let me let me ask you. There's there's two investigations that i just wanted to get your your sort of on the record. I think there's a fulton county investigation of the president's actions. I think you have said on the record. You intend to cooperate with those investigators. I wanted to know. Have you had contact with you. Furnish them with any documents or has anyone from your staffer yourself but interviewed by their investigators of they've already interviewed several staff members of members and also We send documents of and so we fully intend to comply with that. And i don't know what terror pace is for that. I think the other one year i refer to as the congressional the january sixth investigation and double just gonna have to wait and see the day. We're pretty busy here. In georgia and i managed our votes on our municipal elections this year. Final question for you january. Six the bipartisan commission. A select committee in washington. I think you've announced that you don't intend to cooperate with them. I wondered if that is still your position and why well. I've noticed that. Today they added a us attorney a former us attorney that came from the republican side. I'm seeing that it's bipartisan. That's positive developments would accept the wait and see okay. Georgia secretary state for brad rapids burger. Thank you very much. I really appreciate making time tonight. You house are working to prevent another president. Donald trump from abusing the power of the office today introducing a new bill. That would limit. Presidential powers congressman. Adam schiff entries the bill. He's here to explain how far goes to prevent anything like the last four years from happening again after this. This is jalen yang and the national editor at the new york times. I wanna take a minute to speak about the incredible force behind everything we publish. I'm talking about our journalists. There are more than seventeen hundred of them at times. And i know enough of them to tell you that these are some of the most caring diligent and thoughtful people. You'll ever meet. Some of them have wanted to be journalists since they were kids others. I practiced as doctors were trained as lawyers or join the military before bringing their expertise. 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We are already seeing to cover up an obscure the facts so perhaps it come as no surprise yesterday when the chair of the committee democratic congressman bennie thompson of mississippi said that we will probably as a committee issue subpoenas either two witnesses or organizations within a week. This comes as politico is reporting today. The committee member democratic congressman adam. Schiff of california has admitted to a more aggressive approach when it comes to issuing those subpoenas saying that the committee is going to forego some of the time consuming steps that have dogged previous investigations when it comes to shoring up. What shift has called faultlines in america's democracy. He did not stop their separate from the work of the committee. Congressman schiff introduced a bill today along with other members of congress aims to set new limits on presidential power and congressman. Adam schiff joins me now congressman. I tell me what this bill would do. And why it's necessary in the wake of what we've experienced this spill is really modeled after Watergate when they enacted a series reforms designed to address uses. That took place during the nixon administration at this current package of reforms in forces. Expedites congressional subpoenas so that we can have a new administration essentially been portrait year after year. I in strengthens penalties for violating the hatch. Act so that white house can't hold a political convention on white house grounds or regained federal blaze into campaign workers it protects against the abuse of the part from power toes statute of limitations for presidents who commit crimes so they can't simply up avoid prosecution because they're in-office escape After leave because the statute of limitation expires it protects. Inspector general's Lowers strengthens the independence of the justice department. And chris it's just a partial list. Well it seems to me that you could imagine a world in which this would be bipartisan. Insofar so far as on congressional subpoenas right. I mean you know there's there's a partisan interest here and there's a there's a different branches of government interest much of trump. Did one could say has rendered congressional subpoenas particularly executive pretty empty i imagine republicans are going to want to use that power again but i think i know my answer the question but republicans interested in this as well. Well chris. i hope that we will. Young or slade live in fear. So many of them. Live in fear of eric statement of the former president. Criticizing them were supporting pro-democracy efforts if it's viewed as a criticism of his conduct of office so we have to get over that fear factor in terms of the republicans but many of the reforms individual in this bill had republican support in the past. I mean some republicans were leaders of efforts. To protect inspector general's whistle blowers a some republicans introduced legislation passed to expedite enforcement. Congressional subpoenas. i. And i would hope that they would recognize look. These are things that they should want. No matter who the president of the united states is they ought to be defending their own institution. If we can't do oversight we can't be affected. I want to play for you. Something i just said on that question. Which is the secretary of state george. I asked him about compliance and cooperation with two january six committee. This is what he had to say. The vice president in the meeting. I had in the oval office with him and the president on january for specifically asked me do you thank. I have the authority to simply unilaterally. Decide that certain of these electoral votes are invalid. And i said that's an open question. This is direct quote the whether or not you have that authority. The fact that the legislatures have not certified. The alternate slate of electors would make foolish to exercise it. And that's why at the end of the day. What we were asking is simply that he exceed two requests from a number of the state legislatures legislators to delay things. So that they they were coming back into formal session. Their governors refused. Call him into special session to deal with this. They were now back into normal session and they wanted to look at it. I was obviously not the secretary of state of georgia. That was the conservative lawyer. John eastman who has been advising the president. About essentially how. To get mike pence to overturn the election unilaterally through a very torture reading of his constitutional duties. It seems to me to relate to the project that you're engaged in so far as the ultimate power is using the power of the office to stay in office which is what was contemplated here what it seems to me. There needs to be a firewall against will absolutely at look at whether it was. The right clipper or not. Both are great for doing on january six select committee. We're going to be making series of recommendations on how to protect democracy going forward from efforts like the one you just described where they would flout the spirit of the law and put our country into a constitutional crisis by trying. To overturn the clear election results will of the voters a so. We'll be addressing that on january six select committee in terms of the georgia secretary of state said and i did hear that where he talked about how he might cooperate. Operate with the committee. now that We have a But our committee is by partisan of our members. Bipartisan our staff. Bipartisan and our work is nonpartisan. And there's no reason that the secretary should not operate with us. I think he's got an important story to tell the american people. But i will say this. You don't get to pick and decide. I like this committee. I don't like this. I like this composition right. When you get a congressional subpoena you have to comply with it a when you get a request for information that we would do so voluntarily. Yeah i guess that's the question right. And what is the lesson you've learned from. The i mean you've got to sort of statutory fix here in the legislation you propose today that would strengthen congressional subpoenas. But what's the lesson you've learned about tactics or approach with those document. Requests subpoenas from all the stonewalling that in some ways ended up being partially successful from the trump folks. It was all too successful and except for the fact that we have peach the president over his obstruction of congress. But the lesson we learned is that number one. We need statutory changes to expedite enforcement. So another president can't simply play robed opened the courts in the interim in the meanwhile. I'll we have a mechanism. We didn't half of last year's which is some of our subpoenas we can hold in contempt and make a referral to the justice department. I n won't be ignored by a bill or crony of the present. So people who flout are subpoenas will understand that they could face criminal exposure if they do so and that's not a worry that i think any of the trump people have all right. Congressman. adam schiff. Thanks for making time tonight. Thank you coming up. Why senator who made half a million dollars last year alone from the fossil fuel industry in charge of crafting the country's climate plan. that's next. this is rick row. I'm national correspondent for the new york. Times i cover. The american south being on the ground to cover story is part of the value of the new york times. But it's also just part of the joy of this job as someone who grew up on the gulf coast. This often means going back to places that i grew up in. I went through with my family. I've fished in some of these places. 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I'm additionality from the north country. Where i live. You could drink the water from lake where you could drink. The water from the stream live. You can eat the fish and there's wild rice everywhere. This is where the wild things are. I want protect where i live. So do you from tar sands pipeline that. No one needs help us. Stop the dirty oil coming through our waters. Help us protect our future for our children. Help us stop lying till joe biden to stop line. Three big rich i. Renewable just economy is still within reach. Joined the folks on the frontline at seven generation in calling on the biden administration to stop line three at seventh generation dot com slash. Take action so. I don't get to say enough. Is that we actually have some good news on the climate front but because we're talking about essential zastava. It does come with a big asterisk. The good news is that along every step of the way experts. People who've studied this for a living in an entry vastly underappreciated the rate of clean energy deployment and how cheap and how quickly it would get cheap. The only way of the old way of thinking about fossil fuels being cheaper and clean energy meeting lots of government. Subsidies has now been essentially flipped on. Its head in fact. One recent paper out of ackford suggests that a rapid transition at green energy would save trillions of dollars based on energy costs alone. That's before even factor in the benefits of addressing climate change quoting from the report compared to continuing with the fossil fuel bay system are rapid green energy transition likely resulted overall net savings of many trillions of dollars even without accounting for climate damages or co benefits climate policy and if it gets even better if all the fossil fuel companies stopped lobbying against clean power if we let the renewable energy trends continue at the rate the already are developing quote. We achieve a near net zero emissions energy system within twenty five years literally according to this report. If we just sit back let. Things develop their current pace. We will reach near net zero carbon emissions in twenty five years now. We probably need to get there sooner than the mid forties almost certainly because the clock is ticking on tipping points and irreversible climate destruction so a strong government investment renewables could potentially get us to where we need to be quicker. But here's the thing that's not what we are seeing instead. We are seeing an honor perverse situation of special interest. Fossil fuel companies putting their thumb on the scale of government policy to artificially extend the license flava fossil fuels. The thing we know is killing the planet like in congress were. This guy is now running the show. I'll take on washington and this administration to get the federal government off of our backs. Alydar bunks high sued epa. And i'll take dead dame at the cap and trade bill because it's bad for west. Virginia that is how joe manchin ran for senate back in two thousand ten. They're shooting then president barack obama's climate bell with a rifle which you know worked symbolically. I guess we didn't pass climb legislation ten years ago when it would have been much better to center. Mansion is a west virginia. Coal guy might say last year. He made nearly half a million dollars from coal production. Just personally he's the largest recipient of coal and natural gas money in the senate this election cycle and he just happens to be the chair of the energy and natural resources committee which means he is crafting the democrats climate legislation and as if it was not obvious already. Near times reports he is committed to propping up coal and natural gas to use the government to artificially extend the life of the fuels. We're trying to get rid of which were phasing out anyway. This man will be in charge of drafting legislation that decide whether we keep cling to fossil fuels and the rooney's they are bringing and we'll continue to bring or whether we finally begin the transition to a clean affordable energy economy so what can president by due to keep his climate agenda live. That's next president. Joe biden delivered his first address the united nations general assembly earlier today and use that moment to speak on among other topics. The urgent need to tackle climate change when we meet the threat of challenging climate the challenging climate. We're all feeling already ravaging every part of our world with extreme weather or will we suffer the merciless march of ever-worsening droughts and floods more intense fires and hurricanes longer heatwaves and rising seas. The president expressed last week because he toured the fire ravaged western united states saying stop and colorado. We don't have much more than ten years. As the president works to push his climate agenda through congress he must face. The stark reality is not just pushing republic not just republicans pushing back but members of his own party which holds a razor-thin majority joining me. Now gina mccarthy. She is the white house. National climate advisor served the administrator of the mental protection agency in the obama administration. First of all. Let's let's start with the projections from that oxford report. Is it the white house view that we have under estimated the pace green energy deployment. And that actually you know we could hit net zero with current pace of deployment by twenty four well clearly deployment of clean energy is increasing. Last year we saw solar is the big winner and we expect to see sola moving forward again but the challenge that we're facing is if you look at the Science it tells us that this is the decisive decade. that's why the president is standing up at the un general assembly and talking about what we need to do now not fifteen years from now and not thirty years from now but how do we take advantage of the shift to clean energy. Use it to grow our economies both in the developing world in the developed world. And how do we use that to grow jobs build opportunities for people. This is the critical moment. Chris i think you know it and i do which is why. We're looking for significant investments from congress. So that we can accelerate the pace of clean energy now but how could that be achieved if the climate provisions of the reconciliation package are being offered by individual who has a very vested interest. And i don't think it's a slander against him to say this. I think he would tell you. The same who has a vested interest for political reasons and other reasons to extend the life of fossil fuel extraction as long as as as possible. While i think senator mansion has been a good ally for the president as he worked on the infrastructure deal in. We received a good outcome from those negotiations. And we're working now with senator manchin and with his staff in others on the hill to look at provision in the in the Reconciliation bill that are gonna be essential. You know the senate. Senator manchin is not the enemy senator. Manchin is working with us every step of the way and sure he has questioned. Sure he has concerns. But we're working through them. And i fully expect that. We're going to get a significant investment in the reconciliation. Bill that is going to help us drive this decade to a clean energy future which we so desperately need if we want to maintain a security. A safety and our health is the. Us gonna meet. Its paris target this year. Sure we are going. We've actually raised our commitment level financially. Which the president announced today and we are going to move forward to make sure that paris commitments. Which are about getting us on a path to reduce utility emissions or electricity emissions by eighty percent by twenty thirty. We're going to have clean electricity by twenty thirty. Five will looking at reducing our overall greenhouse gas emissions by fifty to fifty two percent in twenty thirty. And we're going to get to net zero twenty fifty but i think the ipc report has shown us that we need to be as aggressive as possible even the goals we just indicated. We really have to move forward this decade all. We won't achieve the kind of escalated reductions that the world needs to protect ourselves and give kids a good future but we will need commitments. The china Chinese president xi champagne announced that china will not build new coal-fired power projects abroad. How significant is that. It's a big deal. Because i think those of us who follow these issues no that china has been funding significant amounts of coal utility investments across the across the world. And i think it's important for all of us and cluding china who is the world's biggest our largest amid a right now to actually work together to make sure that we're not just transitioning our own economies but expanding the resources necessary to deal with this worldwide. Finally the president issued an interesting new regulation or at least a direction for development of federal label of standards aimed at protecting workers the impact of rising temperatures linked to climate change. We saw during that heat wave in the north west. Numerous people died on the job outside. A why why. Why take this step well. In excess heat or heat stress is called the silent killer and climate. We look at the wildfires which you've mentioned the hurricanes floods the drought. We can all see that but the silent killer is heat stress. When we saw the in june of this year in the pacific northwest we had higher temperatures than we have ever seen before and we temperatures across the country are record breaking that resulted in hundreds of excess deaths. Foulland's of emergency room visits so we put out a plan that across the government where all together to identify ways that we can address heat stress. Allocate money to keep our senior safe get cooling centers in us schools in. Us protect workers with new labor standards. Kim stanley robinson's ministry of the future opening scene. I recommend to people to read for for vision of what that can look like gina mccarthy. Thank you very much. I appreciate it. Thanks kiss coming up. We have the first lawsuits under the new texas abortion law. And it's well. It's a pretty bizarre situation to be honest. Explain why and what to expect from the case after this the first lawsuits were filed over the weekend in the texas abortion banned law or at least six week abortion on. They were filed against a san antonio doctor who publicly revealed in a washington post column that he violated the texas law that he had administered abortions. Now until this moment things in texas have kind been frozen in place we really. And that's because this crazy new law. That outlaws abortion after six weeks was deliberately crafted so that it is only enforced through private citizens suing doctors and anyone else and then being rewarded with cash bounties five conservative justices on the supreme court used that weird structure as a pretext to say. Well we cannot block law. There's no block. There's no one to enjoin and so the laws now in effect in texas but now things have changed. We now the first known challenges under the law from plaintiffs arkansas illinois. And the whole thing i got to say is really a head. Scratcher the arkansas plaintiff who's suing the doctor who admitted performing abortion is a former lawyer convicted of federal tax evasion who serving his fifty year pre fifteen year. Prison sentence at home according to the filing. He's got no connection the case he is not even pro-life he just wants to force the court to review the law. As the utter absurdity of this suit is a great illustration of the ridiculous and to my mind indefensible nature of law because the law at least as written outsources enforcement along for anyone to sue. Anyone might very sharp wife. Katia who worked in the white house counsel's office under president. Obama teaches constitutional law. She remarked that. This is the very plaintiff that this law deserves. Which i thought was a perfect way to describe it nancy. North up is the president and ceo of the center for reproductive rights nonprofit law firm that has been leading the legal charge against abortion bans including texas's new law and. She joins me now. All right nancy so first of all what does it mean to have a doctor. Come forward and say i have you know sort of in a civil disobedience way violated. This law is well. Dr braid has been providing healthcare rebutted health care for almost fifty years and he came forward in the washington post To say that he had provided care to a patient in her first trimester and he understood that there could be consequences for that but he is just heartbroken every day but he goes into his clinic to have to turn so many patients away that he knows that he could provide care for and for many of them. He just doesn't have options to give them because for them to travel to oklahoma or out of state to new. Mexico isn't even an option so he knew that he can be exposed to these loss but every day. He's watching this unconstitutional law affect his patients really into devastating way. So there is now a lawsuit that's been filed and one of the things that's weird about this is that there's there's there's this notion of standing in the law that people have to have some stake in a case in a normal environment. This random arkansas guy would have no standing to sue this other person in texas. He's not a party to dispute. he hasn't been harmed. But the point of the texas laws basically like eviscerate standard. As far as i can like what do you understand the legal status to be here. I mean basically texas said that you know the state stock enforce the law. They're gonna put these bounties out there for anybody to sue and also any number of people could sue. Every first year law student in america could sue tomorrow though. They have no connections of dr brad. They they've no connection to the patient in san antonio it is absolutely absurd and hopefully these two laws that have been the to also have been filed can get the court to be able to make a decision. I mean ho- coalition of us file two months ago long before the law was go into effect so we to get an injunction ended up with that ruling from the supreme court where they turned their back. The department justice sued two weeks ago. And they don't have a hearing until october. The first i mean it's time time for seven. This is an unconstitutional law. It's an untenable situation in texas and it needs to be stopped. Well so then. What's the i mean. I don't wanna get too technical here but like what's the legal perceived like who's going to review this next right presumably. It's texas state judge. Who's who has been assigned these lawsuits right. And are they the ones that step in and say like we're really not going to consider this and till the supreme court weighs in or something. no they should be ruling. You know once doctor is actually served and it gets into the court proceedings ruling that it's unconstitutional. They can't bring this kind of a lawsuit because the law itself is unconstitutional. So hopefully that will get the unconstitutionally. The law established and again we can push for an injunction statewide about this december first. There will be arguments in the mississippi case. I know your organization is a lawyer in this case in which the court is being asked. Just frankly straight up to overturn rough. That's why mississippi has asked us to bring court to overturn roe and this is not happened. The consideration that issue in thirty years so are asking for forty eight years of precedent to be overturned that has been reaffirmed again and again and again and you know. The courts vary the american bar association for the first time on the issue of abortion rights itself And they said you know the course integrity is on the line. The great showdown between a thousand years of common law legal traditions in the anglo saxon world and counting to five with the justices. You appointed nancy nancy. Northop thank you very much. That does it for all in you can catch us every weeknight at eight o'clock on msnbc. Don't forget to like us on facebook. That's facebook dot com slash. All in with chris.

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Global reaction to a chaotic presidential debate

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Global reaction to a chaotic presidential debate

"Support for the world comes from hint water makers of fruit infused water with no sweeteners or calories. Hints Twenty five flavors include Blackberry Lemon and new clementine water in stores or at drink hint dot com hint water with a touch of true fruit flavor. I want to tell you about another show you might enjoy Ted ex shorts hosted by Tosa, Leone Tech Shorts will immerse you in surprising knowledge fresh perspectives and moving stories from some of the most compelling tech's community talks out there. Start each day with short eye opening ideas on apple podcasts spotify or wherever you listen. Global reaction to last night's debate in Brazil they're well aware of combat of politics extra gays about provocation to provoke angry reactions from Europa. Into mobilize your political views also last night talk about a free and fair election in November the US has long pushed ahead. Election monitors secure other countries, votes and hid draw the inconceivable that we're finding ourselves finish situation now, where we legitimately appear to be having a need for them myself and a clandestine trip in Iraq smuggling artifacts to safety this collection is very important for all of humanity they talk about human history I'm Marco Werman, those stories and more today here on the world. I'm Marco Werman your with the world. Thanks for being with us on this Wednesday a lot of people on twitter last night wondering how the rest of the globe took in the presidential debate. Well, here's what some of the world heard. especially. If you thought the debate was hard to follow an English imagined listening to it through interpreters to Japanese interpreters struggling to keep up there with all the cross talk and interruptions around the world media outlets had something of a unanimous verdict chaotic. The most ugly debate in American history was one a Chinese reporter noted that the candidates had to be chastised by moderator Chris Wallace. John. Out. Here in the US there's concern over president trump's refusal to denounce white supremacists and doubling down telling a hate group to stand by on China's way what platform the hottest result for the search US election is a video showing the awkward moments of the debate. In Geneva Switzerland a UC honey machi professor of international history at the graduate. They're also tuned in one of the comments that I've seen is a tank. God's only five more weeks of this. A Common Reaction Huhtamaki says the debate raise more questions for him than it answered about the State of American democracy it's disheartened. What the right word is, but it's not, it's not confidence building for those witnessing this, you know the show. So to speak the biggest political show on earth within that from the outside, this is It's concerning Arabic speaking viewers noticed joe use of the word inshallah in reference to President trump ever releasing his tax returns it means God willing in Arabic and can also be used to imply. And hope that something will ever happen. Arab social media were quick to react with some calling it a historic moment in America. Our neighbors to the North also tuned in Mike Bradley is Mayor of Sarnia Ontario see that type of debate, the the level of debate there was so diminished about the future of the country, which has very serious issues like all countries. But when you look at what's going on with civil rights to look what's going on with Kobe and you're thinking where is the meeting in the direction on moving America forward Sarnia is about sixty five miles across the Canadian border from Detroit Michigan Bradley says that watching from a border city into the? US. It's like witnessing the decline of the Roman. Empire. In Canada we are watching very closely what's going to happen on November the third and perhaps unfortunately days after as they tried to determine the vote but the reality is this did not send a good message the rest of the world. Let's take a deeper dive on the global reaction and spend a few minutes hearing from Brazil now, Mario Santoro's a professor of political science at the State University of Rio de Janeiro. He's in Rio. Saudis, thanks for being with us. You Watch last night's debate. What was your overall reaction? We have been following the preservation election that it states very closely in Brazil because we believe that it's not just about the US it's also about us. Because the president of Brazil is a huge support of trump and he will. There's the American presidents to be his model. So we believe that the president is going to help negate in this country what trump is doing right now in the United States including perhaps the wake of his behavior debates. So you're right many analysts have seen parallels between trump and. Geijer Bolsonaro what did you see last night that reinforces parallels and where do those thoughts take you hard for them for trump on added to follow the rules to follow the traditional way to behave in a democracy for example, should respect your own power should respect the breast. They always had this very harsh way to do with reporters and with other politicians. The second point. US IDEA THAT Extra days about provocation to behave in a very difficult way to provoke angry reactions from your opponents from people who disagree with you into mobilize your political race listen the case of. The Brazilian president he actually did to go to any debate at least in the second round in the BREZINA presidential election two years ago. It was all about using the social media to do lives using his own narrative about the political advance. But if using to engage with dial with auditions and was the first time in Brazil at something like that, happen really the first time you've never seen anything like this never while sometimes you had a politician that misses the cop off debates but at least in the second round day were present in two years ago something different happening Brazil, and of course, that yesterday trump wasn't a debate with West. He really debating it sounded more like performance more like. A one way narrative in the real political debate on the substance of the debate during question on Climate Change Vice? President Biden brought up the Amazon rainforest. Let's take a listen rainforest in Brazil being torn down ripped out more more carbon is absorbed rainforest and every bit of carbonates admitted in the United States instead of doing something about that I would be gathering up and making sure we had to come the countries of the world coming up with twenty billion dollars. Here's Twenty Billion Dollars Stop Stop. Tearing down the Forest Maurizio, was it unusual to hear the Amazon mentioned in a US debate this way and is Biden proposal being received if at all in Brazil? It's very unusual for Brazil to be nation in an American presidential debate. The majority of people in Brazil is agree. With what the government is doing right now with the lack of action to stop deforestation to stop the big fires in the Amazon. Safe, that Damas on climate change are now the biggest reason why Brazil was important for International Politics And with the current government, it's a problem. It's. Something difficult for the Brazilian foreign policy, but it can be an asset. It can be be a way that Brazil's going to be able to influential global agenda The international discussions so prisoners are being. In many people in Brazil have the cautions about how important the Amazon News Global, climate strength. And yet I, know Bolsonaro is very popular in Brazil do believe many Brazilians were looking at trump's performance saying this is the kind of leadership we want from the US. Bussan Abilene Brazil has been late in between thirty five and four two percents just that it'll be low. What's dropping joys? Now United States in for many of Busan our supporters. As a model. They really liked when it's true presidents archer gather when they they complements to each other and many people. In Brazil belief that trump is a great leader because they like the way they criticises depress the traditional. Titian the political establishments and show want an issue stop to look at happening. Now in Brazil Indiana United States, you're going to see many points in call. The humanitarian crisis of the NAMIC. Economic Recession. So what is happening? United States in the political campaign in the election. It's a kind of laboratory to what may happen in Brazilian a couple of us. So this is why we in Brazil are being mocks of ancient. Happening now in their American campaign or something, you said a moment ago modus yo- that the US election kind of a laboratory for Brazil. Is there anything you're seeing specifically that you're worried about oh? Yes. No doubt about that too in very ward especially about how trump is questioning the results of the election saying that he could go to court Atiku the mobilize his supporters on the streets. This is exactly what I. feared that most anatomy doing Brazil in a couple of years in the United States as a very strong global impact for democracy all around the world, the good things, the good ideas, but also the bad things and the crisis. Madison Toto is a professor of political science at the State University of Rio de Janeiro Monte. Thank you for your reaction to our presidential debate last night in chromatic Leser Blazer. Are Lots of theories and predictions about the various things that could go wrong with the US November election that makes the role of election observers perhaps more important than ever especially international election observers who could be more impartial than American citizens as the world's Rupa Shenoy reports these monitors have just started their mission in the US the Organization for Security and Cooperation in Europe or. O S C E is the largest international body charged with monitoring elections. It wanted to bring five hundred observers for the upcoming US elections. Instead there'll be about one hundred and thirty mostly because of COVID concerns, fewer people than expected volunteered to come to the US. The main thing that we're going to have to make an adjustment on is the actual in polling. Station. Election Day. That said all other aspects of the mission remained effectively unchanged. That's the leader of the OSCE's mission in the US. Polish senator and European Parliament. Member Ursula got sick at the end of the day I'm still suffering. It's going to be accurate is gonNA their shoe reflection on impartial reflection objective of what's been happening here in the United States get sick will lead a thirty member team that will issue an interim report in three weeks but following legal developments were following the campaign as much is the environment the. Atmosphere of the campaign were following up the postal ballots just before the election gets ex team will be joined by one hundred additional monitors from thirty countries they'll deploy in pairs under a mandate of strict non-interference. They'll be watching things like voter registration mail in ballots, an access to the polls. They'll also look at media coverage including intolerant rhetoric get success. The monitors will attempt to compensate for their smaller numbers by observing a representative sample of polling locations. What we're having to go to do on election day is pick. Places well but it will be I would say the analysis that will be more unacceptable because the sample group will regrettably be too small and that is not anybody's fault the. Typically observes elections in developing countries, but like all other fifty, six members of the Global Organization, the US is also obligated to invite international election observers. Those observers only started coming in two thousand and two after the messy Bush v Gore election of two thousand. not, all states have allowed the monitors in though this year just twenty eight states and the District of Columbia have invited international observers. There's also the added complications of President Trump's repeated questioning of mail in ballots, claims of a rigged election and evasion on whether he'll respect the result of the election get sick refused to comment on what she called those hypotheticals. This stage of COP prejudge you know I mean I'm hearing that there are. Concerns but then we need evidence base we need to see you know we need to see the facts we need to see whether things really do or do not go wrong but those concerns are white. So important to have international monitors says Judith, Kelly professor of political science and dean of Duke's Sanford School of Public Policy. What I find striking is that the United States in many ways was the driving force behind the creation of. The whole idea of international election observers and have fostered that movement throughout the world observing elections worldwide and it is rather inconceivable that we're finding ourselves in a situation. Now, where we legitimately appear to be having a need for them myself in developing countries, she says, international monitors have been instrumental in shoring up public confidence in elections but Kelly says they may not have that effect this time I am skeptical all that day will have any impact. In the United States. Specifically in this election. Not because they don't have the potential to do so but because they won't be given the opportunity to do so the day after the election, the SEC team will hold a press conference to talk about their initial findings. Afterward as usual, they're prepared to stay to monitor the counting of ballots and whatever court process may play out to decide the election roughly two months. Later, they'll issue a final report with recommendations for what could have been done better for the world rushing away. The world takes you from Brazil to Yemen coming up and later in the hour to Iraq and the British stage as usual today show two stories from many parts of the world that connection continues on social media. Even when we're not in your ears, follow us on twitter we're at the world connect with our team of journalists and join the conversation about the stories that keep thinking and while you're at it, share the stories that really impact you. You're with the world. I'm Marco Werman, your with the World Yemen is in its sixth year of war. But this week some hope that there's a breakthrough that could lead to peace representatives for Yemen's main warring sides met in Switzerland and hashed out a deal to release prisoners of war you have agreed to immediately release. One Thousand Eight hundred Individuals, that's UN negotiator Martin. Griffiths congratulating the people who signed the agreement. The prisoner exchange is being managed by the International. Committee for the Red Cross Yara Koita is spokesperson for ICRC operations in Yemen and she joins us from Cairo your I. WanNa know more about how big a deal this breakthrough really is how significant is this prisoner swap and could then lead to? I think that deal has been reached by the parties to the conflict in Yemen is really significant. One Eighty one person would come back to their families after long years of separation. This is very important because maybe it's too early to speak about touring peace and Yemen but let's say that this is the first step off a pass that the Yemenis are looking for to reestablish their lives and to live in better conditions where were does not prevail in their country. There are three groups involved here who rebels a Saudi Arabian led coalition and the Yemeni government and more than thousand prisoners are behind bars with a name story. How does the ICRC manage a prisoner release on the scale? Well let us I agreed that indeed, this is very big and it's challenging as an operation but die, Sir see is very much committed to make it happen in a very successful way. That is why now we have our teams working and already started with the pre-departure interviews with the detainees to make sure that we collect all the information needed also to see if they are okay with all the process of released Yemen like so much of the rest of the world is suffering the blow from covid nineteen. So what can you tell us about the health of the prisoners right now? Well at the moment was still don't have information on their has tuition that indeed we have factored adamant of Covid Nineteen, our plan of any detainee will show of nineteen. Sometimes, we're GONNA, make sure that they don't transmit the disease to other detainees but also to make sure that they get the treatment and they go back safely to their families and Euro when do these assessments happen like what is the timeline for these releases and? Prisoner swaps maybe more being optimistic, but hopefully, the operation will take place over the fifteenth of October and the Sixteenth of October. So at the moment we have our teams or reggie preparing themselves on every front and also detaining parties they're doing their part of the job and the assessment need to select the gathering points to make sure that on the day of the operation detainees are ready to be transferred by International Committee of the across. We have to recognize though that conditions across Yemen are abysmal. There's widespread famine there's poverty there's cholera in addition to nineteen. So where will these prisoners go ultimately when the released from custody? It depends on what front were talking about because there's some detainees who will go back to their countries outside of Yemen, that there's also the Yemeni detainees were coming back to their home and when we say home, we actually mean actual would home because once they will arrive to the airport, the ice RC will give them. Cloth were gift on hygiene, need hygiene net material, and will also give the money to make sure that they can go back to their houses to their families and be in a good situation and to be able to rebuild life a bit by bit. Yara Khawaja is a person for the International Committee of the red. Cross. She's been explaining plan to swap prisoners of war in Yemen Yara. Thanks very much for joining us. Thank you. Schools across Mexico or closed because of the corona virus and millions of kids are dropping out because they don't have access to online learning the World Hor Valencia found one solution in Mexico City at a local Tortilla shop. The conveyor belt at be Availa Tortilla mill is a little tricky after years of rolling out thousands of fresh tortillas every morning. One of the owners Nando Lozano stops think about exactly how many pounds they produce every day. About two hundred kilograms, he says or roughly four hundred and forty pounds on the daily. That sounds about right for a neighborhood Tortilla in a country where the Tortilla is even more common than say bread is in the United States. Bossy files. Staple Lozano explains the Tortilla and Mexico goes with everything from street food to find dining. And the Abella Tortilla mel toward the southern edge of Mexico City became a community center a few months ago as Lozano and his wife dealt with a personal tragedy. In February they lost a newborn baby. Everybody are. My baby died and I was letting myself die says Los Angeles partner in life and in business value at Davila. So in the pandemic started, they want to do something for someone other than themselves. The began giving out food to neighbors in need and when they realized many children in the neighborhood had no access to the Internet. They began letting kids sit in their pickup truck and connect to their WIFI to do the homework. Recent. Wednesday. W that calls out to the owner of the convenience store next door. Watch Levy says the neighbor lets kids use sidewalk for a pandemic version of physical education. She says the owner of the hardware store down the block gave them food and owner of a clothing store gave them face masks although it was it by the unethical impact. But the this brands this only. The entire neighborhood became infected empathy hope and solidarity says. Eventually the owners of the Abella Tortilla set up a makeshift classroom. They took an empty storefront across the street and hooked it up with television and a whiteboard and gave a few kids smartphones the Mingo or these lives three blocks away and brings her children every day. Let me see what Nicholas giving my children aren't the only ones of these says, in fact Mexico's Education Ministry estimates some two and a half million students have dropped out of school since schools closed. March and it's largely because they can't access their school materials. IMPO complete power. was. Not. Into Jeremy Not says that in her family's case, it's not easy because they don't have television or the Internet to access the public schools distance learning program. That's the case for almost half the population in Mexico City, according to the most recent census, and in many cases, families face problems even more basic connectivity. If silicon resistor. Of D. says, work is hard to come by these days. She says, she works cleaning houses. Her husband is an electrician and sometimes they don't have enough money to eat. She's doing her she says to not let her children fall behind. Hello. Hello When I visited the Ebola Tortilla mill three students have just wrapped up in English class with a volunteer tutor their learning greetings, numbers, eleven year old Maria they lose Carignan asked me to Kappler. Thirteen. Fourteen Fifteen Carignan says she's enjoying learning a new language. She says, she also misses her math class. Locally. Republican love. Her favorite part math was multiplying and dividing, and of course, she misses her classmates. Long Bob. All of New doesn't know how her classmates are managing to study and spent her in touch and the meantime school for her is right here across the street from the Tortilla male not a win. For, the world. Cup in Mexico sick. More coming up in the next half hour you're listening to the world. The US intelligence community needs to rethink its China strategy. That's the finding of a new congressional report for many years the president nothing but praise for president she he's deciding politically advantageous to changes to now a house panel says the intelligence community stock in a post nine eleven mindset that's coming up next here on the world. I'm Marco Werman, your with the world where co-production of. Boston and PR ex a couple of moments in last night's presidential debate where the two candidates President Donald Trump and Joe Biden were sparring over who is tougher on China he talked about the art of the deal China's made perfected the art of the steal. Deficit with China now that we did before we have the highest. DEFA trade deficit, with Mexico. China bashing during a presidential election is nothing new but this year, the China threat is more ominous and difficult to confront. That's the assessment of the House Intelligence Committee in a new report released today it warns at the US. Intelligence community is stumbling as it increasingly goes head to head with Beijing? Representative. Adam. Schiff a California Democrat shares the panel congressman. What are the key findings of the report after? Decades later focused on the counterterrorism mission in, which is very largely successful in terms of thwarting additional attacks against the United States and against our homeland our ability to confront hard targets like China has really atrophy. We don't have the personnel, the language skills, the expertise, and the are resisting of resources so that we really should deal with a threat that is so cross cutting against every field of domain. Military Air Cyber Technology diplomacy foreign investment and so we have a lot of work to do wouldn't it make more sense to put resources and emphasis on creating a constructive relationship with China I mean I don't Wanna sound naive but the US and Chinese economies are so intertwined intertwined. This approach seems like it might lose sight of mutual interests I. Think we should do everything possible to make sure that this doesn't to become another cold war but of course, China has a big say what kind of relationship they WanNa? Have A at present. It appears to China has determined to be increasingly aggressive bellicose in the region up projected the power around the world seek to change international institutions, move them away from a law based rules face order to one where might makes right now. So we have different very world news, very different agendas I. Think we we ought to try to avoid conflict, but we can't be blind to the challenge that's presented the boat to freedom loving people around the world, but to our defense as well as our economy. schiff at a very practical level. I'm thinking language skills We've been reporting on our show that the US has gutted the Confucius, institute Caesar Chinese government funded outposts it offered Chinese language and culture classes. So what resources are you proposing to fill the language gap because robots can only do so much and we need linguists. We absolutely need linguists and you're right. That's going to require resources and we don't want to rely on on resources that that we don't have trust in. So we need to make sure that we get out we recruit the very best personnel and that we train them and we make use of their incredible talent. That's going to be choices of because the resources are not unlimited and so we need to figure out. Where we deploy our resources now to what degree are we intelligence world still fighting the last war I and that be the last war on terror and how do we redeploy and reallocate to be submerging priorities hard target nation state actors that never went away but have changed in their complexity and the the danger they present. As wondering about that 'cause trump's rhetoric around China has been competitive angry and even insulting in recent months but it seems you and other Democrats concerns about China may not be laden with his words but you're just as concerned by the threat. What do you really see a differences in your two positions congressman? What do you both want is outcomes you know I think the the president's policy is essentially a pro donald trump policy, which means that it's idiosyncratic and divorce from America's national interests. So at times, it's praising president. Xi It's time is attacking President Shady at times. It is making Ziti a national security issue at other times. It's just another trade issue this. Kind of. Schizophrenic approach to our relations with China, of course, doesn't approve the united. States' position trade policies have been another failure. Our economic situation has not improved a position in the world has declined what we need I. think this a consistent and thoughtful approach to meeting China's rise in every dimension needs we need to be more competitive in terms of our engagement around the world with development assistance to. Meet Their Belt Road Initiative means we need to think about the investments to make new making space to protect our satellites and to make a challenges posed by China space. It means that we need to look at the cyber issues and China's very aggressive cyber espionage and cyber theft of intellectual property It means that we need to develop coalitions in the South China Sea and elsewhere and so. Those are or should meet by some priorities. The difference is in how those priorities are affected. And this administration I, think has done a terrible job because it's policy is really motivated by the whims of the president not any coke human view of China or the United States or anything else are you worried Congressman Schiff that in this election year what passes for debate we'll be seen by many as knee-jerk Bachelor xenophobia is that a legitimate worry for both parties and if Biden wins how'd you that back up? Know I think China understands the political dynamic and what took place during the debate although I have to say at for all of us watching the debate last night watching our presence performance was just a national embarrasses. Representative Adam Schiff a California Democrat shares the House Intelligence Committee he's been telling us about a new House Intelligence Report on confronting China Congressman Thank you for your time. Thank you. Every year, the European Parliament presents an award known as the Sahara. Prize. It goes to people and organisations that defends human rights and fundamental freedoms. This year, a man from Iraq has been nominated Archbishop Nejib. Mussa fled his city in northern Iraq just as the Islamic state with snatching up territory in two thousand fourteen, the archbishop escaped with his life. The award nomination is for what he was able to bring with him. The World Sharon Jafari as a story the night of August fix two, thousand, fourteen is one that Archbishop Nnaji Mussa will never forget. He even has a name for it. I call it Black Knight Black linked because it was the most harrowing experience of his life. He says, he found out. That the stomach state militants were about to take over his city of our coach. In northern Iraq, a bit byte with two brothers. I start to leave with many thousands of families crying or shouting, and most of them they have no cars. The residents of Karkosz had reason to escape the city was home to Iraq's largest Christian communities and Islamic state Sunni. Extremist group believes that Christians are inferior. I feel that something very dangerous against our life against our heritage as a prominently there in the local Catholic community. was in charge of thousands of ancient manuscripts covering a wide range of subjects, theology philosophy astrology astronomy. Stacks of hundred texts from the twelve and thirteen th centuries. This collection is very important for all humanity. Because they don't talk about justification or just about Iraq but they talking about human history he was worried that I would destroy them and he had good reason to be consent his fled with them. Once before in two thousand and three, he says, the U S led invasion of Iraq unleashed a wave of anti Christian attacks across the country. He's church in Mosul was targeted and also they put my name in the list over dangerous especially to be killed in two thousand, seven Massat thought it was no longer safe to stay in. Muslim. But if he was leaving, he was taken the documents with him over several candidates and. He moved them to car crash about twenty miles south of Mosul. Then on that Black Knight in August two, thousand, fourteen, he found himself doing the same thing again, report what we had the karst we have two cars. And also what we find many people's crank without car, they want to save their life us them to coming in our car and sitting on that heritage men women children sat on top of cardboard boxes full of Jaw instant manuscript, and we said we will leave together or we will die together. The cars sped off into the darkness headed to the Kurdish region of Iraq to safety five thirty am a young girl started saying. Look you're right and I see many cars with. Their lack white slacks, and the already to attack us. That's it. He thought about to be ambushed at a stockton pray ready I got to give me ten pads or then elects to save more strength to save the people and the manuscripts. As. They drove away from the city. Mussa remembers Kurdish security forces opening fire on the Isis convoy speeding to town. They managed to hold them back while his car and other civilians got through the checkpoints archbishop move and the others in the caravan eventually made it to safety. But they were lucky sets rain Hannah who had the Assyrian Policy Institute a US based nonprofit that advocates for the rights of minorities in the Middle East. Not all Christians in Kharkov where able to leave she says, there was a smaller number of Christians or Syrians that lived under isis rule, and of course, these were more elderly members of the community who were not able to travel. And you can imagine that it was a very traumatic experience very scary and when unknown on the day to day basis human rights groups have documented atrocities against Christians in areas under isis control they say what happened to these e was even worse calling it genocide. There's me state also pillaged and destroyed heritage sites for a while it was making money off of setting historic artifacts on the black market. The documents that Archbishop Moussa helped save have been digitized and exhibited in France and Italy as for where they are now. Tell you exactly. Fair enough. But he says, they're still in Iraq and he wants to keep it that way for the world I'm sharing Jafari. Turkey is one of the few. Muslim. Majority countries where abortion is legal but Turkey's conservative government is working to limit abortion access many public hospitals stopped providing them even among friends. Abortion remains a taboo subject from Istanbul reporter for Re Bonilla has our story. Look. It's late warning and invites me to meet her at her home in a hillside middle class neighborhood. When I arrived, she's with three other women friends. They asked me only to use their first names for privacy. The. Four of them get together often drink tea and eat with laughter. But today's gathering is about to turn tents. Sevi- light is a stay at home mom who wants to share her struggle with abortion to make it easier for others. It's rare for a Turkish woman to publicly talk about having an abortion owed on the initial because. People jump into minute short glow I became very upset when I learned about my pregnancy. I wondered whether I could do it or not. I was already having a hard time with took kits. There was nobody that could help me. Her friends shade is the loudest in the group. She shakes her head at savvy lie. INCOME LACK TUMBLE INCOME LITTLE WHY BABA KAZAI Seems you can do to prevent a pregnancy right now. It can tell your to use birth control. If you don't use all these options in you end up getting pregnant with a child, you should give birth them shaded turns to me for validation. Renamo will begin now that I know so less attrition I feel like I'm sharing her sin. I'm this is after all civilized taken aback by shade is sharp judgment but keeps her cool civilized thirty eight years old with kind is she dropped out of university got married and worked in healthcare for a while she and her husband have two small children. To keep up their middle class lifestyle to kids are all they can afford ban is. New Behavior Sick. Mitchell. Sure. Meal Tournament the short I'm trying to set higher standards for my children. I'm trying to provide them a good life. I can give birth to five children and can raise them very well, but I cannot provide them with opportunities. Savvy lie decided to get an abortion with her husband's permission which she needs legally. She thought the decision would be the hardest part, but finding hospital was even harder. Private hospitals cost too much. But public ones kept turning her way. SEV- Eli reached out to more. Of rights group that helped her find a public hospital to do it for free. But. Even that hospital staff gave Sevi- lie guilt trip and threatened her view the huddle she is wall sonic dot com sets if you come to this hospital for another abortion. The won't let you in. She had the abortion at nine weeks one week before it became illegal. Savvy was broken from the emotional toll and harsh treatment. The abortion itself was awful John all the other custom took injured. I felt bad. I woke up crying. To be honest sometimes my heart aches. The stigma of abortion remains deepen, Turkey. It became legal here in one, thousand, nine, hundred, eighty, three. Women from Saudi Neuron where abortion is banned come here to have one. But in the last decade, the Conservative Act Party and President Reject Tape Oregon have been chipping away at reproductive rights in two thousand twelve the government tried to reduce the ten week pregnancy limit to six weeks but feminists back and one. Little. Air. Don. Publicly calls abortion murder and says, women should have at least three children. Public hospitals can simply refuse women access based on what the President says not the law. So low income women like Syrian refugees turn to back Alley Kleenex. Vote. Each of the in zone solid going on the last year news broke that police had raided a clinic fronting the Syrian hair salon three people were arrested. Hustle a tie is an outreach coordinator at women on Web. A dutch-based platform that helps women get access to abortions in restrictive countries. Turkey banned women on Web's website in two, thousand sixteen. But Turkish women still find ways to contact them hustle, translate some of the recent letters she has gotten from Turkey including this one from a woman in Airs Room. She's twenty three years old and she wrote is saying. I'm sure dissipation is difficult for everyone. But if my family learns about the pregnancy, they won't let me live. I know you help a lot of people but you don't know where I live and you don't know my family. You're my only hope here is a message. From Istanbul two other letters from women in Istanbul reflect the same desperation one woman says she doesn't have the money to get an abortion. Another has run away from violent husband but needs his permission to abort her pregnancy yachting boxing. David Benham to jewel Ma. Listen you're. Back Realize home and stumble the debate rages between the four France Colin pick thick Bush gets support from activists friend Sev- John. As shade continues to criticize. Stage will help you with your child is on our Columbia doesn't their babies dying from hunger in this country women can't buy formula for their babies. Yen WanNa go to album I sing she had no reason to get an abortion says, John says it's a woman's decision whether she wants to have an abortion not the states then she reminds her friends about solidarity film liquid our social jump could not be leakage leaders. Women are strong together we have to support each other all the time we have to support each other even if we don't have the same opinions, several is sits quietly on her couch. Her eyes are fixed on the ground. Her son comes into the room to watch TV and she holds him. For the World Very Banawa Istanbul. Since mid August fires have been ripping up and down the west coast this week, a new fire is burning northern. California forcing tens of thousands of people to evacuate immigrant. In, the US have been hit especially hard this year I buy covid nineteen, and now by these fires, the world's Monica Campbell has been speaking with some of those farmworkers. Monica this latest fires hitting California's Napa Valley region famous for its wineries what have you heard from the immigrant farm workers? WHO WORKED VINEYARDS? What are they saying about the impact of the fires on their lives? Right will there. There's a lot of worried. This is a part of California that leans heavily on a massive and largely immigrant workforce from Mexico and parts of Central America primarily. Lower income workers who may be losing their homes in the fires and also their work I spoke with our not solorio about this. He's a longtime farmworker in Napa Valley to the US to work the farms when he was just fourteen years old and he's just trying to get through this year you're forget or a year not to remember. We were dealing with covid nineteen, an hour dealing with all these fires in this mock all this. Yes. covid nineteen has hit farm-working communities quite hard because they can be largely Latino communities, and as we know they've been disproportionately impacted by the virus for many reasons. But one is because they don't often have the choice to work from home. So now you have the smoke on top of it. Our new is now in his fifties after arriving to the United States as a teenager and. He's managing crews of workers in the vineyards in Napa and the fires are close. People are needing to harvest those grapes. So there are working really quickly if they can get to them trying to protect equipment. So you have people working really long fast shifts right now, and at the same time, there are evacuations and road closures in wine country right now, what is the economic impact to the region and will that affect the number farmworkers who can actually work and earn money right now? These fires can stop everything even parts of a billion dollar wine industry This is also what are no full. told me. So they're gonNA leave the the divine that means less work for the phone worse. We putting together a program so that we can give them off financial aid or new basically crowdsourcing it and and getting people to contribute Monaco. You've also reported on how people continue to work even when the wildfires are filling the air with intense smoke I mean that be healthy but do those workers have a choice? Yeah I mean there are efforts. To try and provide better masks respirators for people when they're working in these smoking conditions, which is still allowed. It's incredible. I mean, you know we can be an part of the west coast right now that's totally socked in with with smoke and you have workers out there in in this heavy smoke, you know in the fields tending to the crops and there's a pressure you know on their end to keep working because of. The. Need to send money back home or or they're just day to day livelihood but it's also allowed. You know employers aren't breaking the law by having their workers out in the field. This is actually allowed by by regulators and I spoke with our Monday Atlanta's Linda about this he's with the United farm workers. And I asked him. You know how is this possible that people are still working in these heavy smoky conditions when we know it's clearly not a healthy for them the street from huge powerhouse in the state throughout the country and so advocacy groups we put we do our best but Sometimes money talks and Marco. I've talked to regulators state regulators here in California themselves who say we do want better regulation stricter regulations but that comes with a lot of resistance because you know more regulations more equipment maybe people able to get to the crops. That's that's GonNa hit the bottom line of big companies that help provide the food that we all eat. The world's immigration editor Monica Campbell with the latest on working conditions for immigrant farm workers in the midst of fires and in the midst of Covid in northern California. Monica thank you. You're welcome. We all know social distancing keeps US safer from the corona virus. So across the globe, we're seeing spaces redesigned and re purposed empty hotels have become dorms, arenas, voting locations, and in the UK with the Great Thespian tradition on pause theaters have become courtrooms the lowry theater in Salford England, which has plays and musicals has been converted to help tackle a backlog of nearly fifty thousand legal cases talk about your courtroom. Dramas. Rachel Miller is the lowery's marketing director Rachel. Thanks for being with us whose idea was this? Have you ever seen anything like this before? Now. It was violent to a new thing we reached out to the court system and basically reset windup we have this relationship why don't we have this conversation? We got the space that clock we've all been on the financial crisis obviously, very difficult situation at the moment. From our point of view having no zone is a huge impact. So it really is calm ship that's working very well for both Kostas. So have any of your theater work has been able to work for the courts in this interim. Dorothy day small number of the phase that will be working for the courts, but it could be nine to five operation during the daytime. The corpse will then close down the building and have a thorough clean through a decline through the building and then be able to open in the evenings at for states performances got well, I'm looking at a picture of the theater would like you to describe the lowry theater and how it's been rearranged like the seats the stage, what if they become an the judge juries defendants sit in the theater. Okay. So what's happened is the most seating level or seats amount. It's flat floor with with tables and seats very much as a courtroom environments. There is then on the stage will be whether church sit and behind that was the crest and there's quite large security team attached to it to make sure that you know it's a safe building. Your, the pictures I'm seeing of the lowery that's a classic theater dark wood thick. floor-length curtains it's clearly a theater Is there any worry that these core proceedings might not be taken seriously as they would be in an actual courtroom? Don't think that would be the case and I've actually been into the myspace myself and I was quite Surprised how some of the space did actually fail you got to remember that the rest of the building were because down except for these court cases during the day, the staffer appropriately presenting themselves address code in their astute. So it is very, very much the case that people are understanding that it's a very serious environment that they need to be during the daytime. As you know Rachel, the arts sector everywhere has been hit hard by the pandemic. What about the Lowery Theater has it fared and are you getting paid for housing these courts? Yes it's higher. There is a financial in place, which is a substantial amount for that highest. Is Helping US greatly to continue with a lot of important work that we do. Is it hoped that this temporary court at the lower theater will be able to get through that massive backlog of cases. I think it will be a contributed, but there is still huge look but he said he going to address. Some of the cases that people have been waiting some of them up six months. For the Today Casey's to behead. So hopefully, it will help those people to get some closure on on the situation Rachel, Miller is the marketing director at the Lowry, a theatre gallery outside of Manchester in the UK, Rachel, thanks very much for being with us today. and. 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"On all f. They investigate shifts leaking that information. He should not be leaking information out of intelligence aorta. Investigate adam kip abuse of power scale. We may not have seen before. This is the type of stuff that vladimir putin does to navarre only donald trump's doj is caught spying on political opponents tonight. What we're learning one day later. The urgent need to hold all the former presidents men accountable with one of trump's targets congressman. Eric swallow than merrick garland vows to defend voting rights. Is justice department ready to clean house. And what we know about the conspiracy. Charges from militia members seen with roger stone. One day before the insurrection. All in starts right now. Good evening from new york. I'm chris as all right what do you do with the person who abuses their position with elemental question the history of human government and human affairs a question. Our country has been confronting persistence in persistently since long before donald trump but even more insistently during his presidency and its aftermath today as we digest new revelations about the scope of the abuse of power that occurred under the former president. We are also seeing an answer to that very question and it comes from republicans not the ones in the nation's capital not the ones associated with the exiled chieftain of mar-a-lago rather it comes republican party in the state of oregon state lawmakers. There confronted the same question that we are now confronting society the same one that democrats and republicans alike confronted at the nation's capital on january. Sixth how to deal with the person who has agreed abused their power. A person who has transgressed in this case. It was one of their own republican state representative. Mike airman was caught on surveillance video opening the door of the capitol to let a mob last december that bob which was allegedly upset about corona virus restrictions and the state managed to overcome officers invade the building. Some of them carried guns and bear spray and called for the arrest of governor kate brown and then another view merged from just a few days before the mob reach the capital showing. Mike mirman explaining how he would let protesters into the building. Offer shahal house which. I don't know anything about an accused. Me of knowing some of the there will be some person cell phone which might be nine seven one random numbers speed up. That's not embrace actual cell phone and if you say. I'm out of the west entrance during the session and text that number of their that. Somebody might exit that door while you're standing there anything about that to do with that. And if i. I wouldn't say that i did yesterday. Mike near men faced a vote on expelling him from the oregon legislature to say given the politics of the republican party right now. I didn't know which way the vote was gonna go. Just ahead of the vote near them defended himself doing his best tucker. Carlson impression considering expelling a member for the first time in history because he thinks that people should have access to their capital especially during session after the session. We're all gonna go out to dinner or stop at the grocery store or maybe tomorrow we'll shop and buy clothes or get oil changed because all these places are open but not this building. Oh you're persecuting me. Because i just want people to be in the capital. That ridiculous excuse didn't work the resolution to expel him past fifty nine to one. With only nermin voting to save himself he was formally expelled from the oregon legislature and that is an example of tangible accountability for a wild transgression. And i bring you this story tonight. Because it's noteworthy and newsworthy. But because boy is it. Rare earth probably have to go all the way back to richard nixon to find another. Us president who abused his authority at the scope and scale of donald trump. and richard. Nixon actually did face some accountability. He was forced to resign from office after the house. Judiciary committee adopted three articles of impeachment. Him and even though president gerald ford pardoned him and he wildly unpopular move. Many people in richard nixon's orbit were held accountable for their actions. All of these people were prosecuted and served time in the wake of the watergate scandal. Look at that. List includes watergate. Burglars nixon's white house counsel and personal turning his chief of staff even attorney general john mitchell. Given the circumstances mitchell was in a relatively good mood as he arrived at the prison. All mitchell said was it's nice to be back in alabama. He assured of staying in alabama at least twenty months. That's how long it will be before. He's eligible for parole from his senate from two and a half to eight years during the time he is here. In this minimum security prison officials say mitchell will be treated the same as any other prisoner so john mitchell former. Us attorney general is wearing prison clothes now. The reckoning and the accountability didn't stop there across the nation from legislators congress to the media to regular everyday citizen the civic spirit of the time. Was that what happened in the nixon presidency was so horrifying abberant. It must be a symptom of a broken system and that system had reformed reform fixed less. It happen again. And so an incredible wave of reform again. There was the church committee led by democratic senator. Frank church of idaho looked into the secret of doings. Cia nsa fbi and found the agencies. Were spying on americans and roughshod over the law. All over the world and at home in nineteen seventy four. We saw the birth of modern campaign finance reforms after so much. The watergate scandal involved what we're essentially slush slush funds from shady donors being moved back at four and nine hundred seventy eight president. Jimmy carter signed a new law limiting electronic surveillance. The foreign intelligence surveillance act faisal. You've probably heard about that. All of this. Entire structure of regulation oversight for all this was erected to make sure we could not have another richard nixon and the wake of more revelations about the trump presidency. It's hard to say it's held for. We clearly need another round reform. We need more accountability for those who've done wrong those who have transgressed and abused their authority and we also need to protect our government against future would be donald trump's including this donald trump. That's what the boston globe editorial board calling for this week. And a new six part series about preserving our democracy called future proofing. The presidency makes really strong case the importance of indicting and prosecuting. Donald trump conduct office arguing that allowing him to go unpunished instead of far more dangerous precedent than having trump dan. Trial to reform the presidency's last four years are never repeated. The country must go beyond passing laws. It must make clear through its actions. No person not even the president is about. This comes in the wake of the new york times report yesterday revealing the prosecutors and the trump justice department subpoenaed apple for data from the accounts at least two democrats on the house. Intelligence committee aides and family members one was a minor all told the records of at least a dozen people tied to the committee were seized in two thousand seventeen in early twenty eighteen including those who representative adam schiff and represented eric swallow of california. Who said in an interview. Thursday night he had also been notified. His data had been subpoenaed. We know that trump doj also secretly seized phone records of reporters at the new york. Times cnn and the washington post imposed a gag order on cnn the times when you put all this together adam schiff. Eric swallow intel committee members. Staffers presumably on the democratic side family members a minor. The new york times cnn the washington post. Well it reads like an enemies list right. Richard nixon notoriously also kept a list of enemies and use the government to spy on them. Now let's be clear. The trump administration as far as we know if the reporting we have so far appears to have gone through the quote unquote proper channels. Which is to say. The doj issued legal subpoenas eating. Have his henchman breaking into their therapist's office like donald trump. Did we know how. Donald trump the people that follow him. Behave which is to say even if they went through the proper channels. This is almost certainly exactly what it looks like. And now as we consider there's revelation and the perilous state of american democracy consider that there has been neither accountability nor reform for any of the characters in the trauma and for obvious reasons. It cannot stand cannot go on like this. The abuses were so great the threat to the country's rule of law democratic self governance. So severe that to let it go. Unrecognized and on reckoned with will bring some kind of cataclysm. It's honestly just a question of when is the job now of everyone in power. Democrats republicans alike though. I have much faith to get to the bottom of what happened in toto to hold people to account across the various areas of wrongdoing and implement the reforms needed to make sure it does not happen. To get congressman. Eric swallow democrat california investigated donald trump as a member of the house intelligence committee. You prosecuted him as an impeachable manner. Trump's second impeachment trial. He says he's one of the people whose records were secretly seized and congress while joins me. Now it's good to have you congress and maybe it's just start on sort of the facts of the matter here. What were you notified by whom went. Good evening chris. It was a random may five email from apple that i almost deleted Same customer service notice that your data was turned over. And i read it and at first i really did think it was spam But not. The department of justice leapt off the screen. And i talked with our house intelligence staff and of course others had also received the same notice and we have since learned as the new york times reported that there were a number of staffers in congressman schiff. And i who were targeted. Look this is not about adam. Schiff and myself. It's about a president rewarding. His friends corruptly through the department of justice as he did with michael flynn and roger stone and punishing his perceived enemies. And my fear is that you may not have been successful this time and locking up his enemies but a more corrupt or donald trump in the white house again may not be as patient may just skip the department of justice and processes and just order his lieutenants to lock his political opponents. Yeah i guess. That's the crux of it right. I mean when when you hear this news and this sort of idea that went through the proper channels that you know that that's both at some level. I guess like some check their but also disturbing that there were people inside the justice department. That went along with this operation. And that's why support adam shifts call for an inspector general report and investigation to understand. Not only was this. Bill barr jeff sessions and matt whitaker. You know whoever was in charge at the time but what rank and file prosecutors went along with this and under what environment did they not think. It was ok to resist. Having the communication records of a co equal branch of government surveilled again. I'm not above the law. Adam shifts not above the law but to me knowing certainly never leave classified information and there was no reasonably would have to do this. It seems punitive but it seems as part a pattern of donald trump abusing part of department of justice. Go after his enemies. A there is appears. They're going to be an inspector general report. But i wanna read you this response. That senator bryan shots of hawaii had yesterday. He said this. I hesitate to tell the other chamber how to conduct. Its business but since we are in a fifty fifty senate and can't issue subpoenas that republicans. I respectfully ask the house to not call for investigations and executive branch. But rather do it themselves. What do you think that. Well i i like senator shots in. I don't think he's off there. i think. Let let's see where the How serious the department of justice takes this. And i know that chairmanship and chairman nadler and the speaker. We'll be talking about what we can do. We're not helpless anymore. Certainly not in the house of representatives. And i think we've shown through to impeachments a willingness to hold donald trump accountable again. I just want the public to recognize. This is not a five hundred year flood That donald trump thinks. He's going to be reinstated in august. He's running for re election in two thousand twenty four. You have a number of wanna be donald trump's who are just as corrupt probably more competent. And so if we take steps to make sure this doesn't happen again We could really see the erosion the complete erosion of the rule of law in our country. There's also an incredible irony here. And i think an important one and it harkens back to what i was saying in that in that monologue about rebalancing power right which was a huge part of what that nixon post nixon era looked like there. Was this sort of moving power back towards congress from the executive but there's an incredible irony here which is that having already secretly subpoenaed members of congress in their stabs acquiring their data when the house subpoenaed the white donald trump and people in his orbit. They basically successfully stalled for years in court essentially got the supreme court to more or less ratify kind of of that house subpoena power while the executive was able to just go in and get the phone records from apple. That that's a great point chris. They put themselves as a co equal branch on higher ground than us. They stymied our investigation. Yes into don mcgann with the russia report as we are seeing with other investigations were still waiting for supreme court rulings and also you know donald trump as he was projecting against adam. Schiff calling him a leaker. It was actually. We learned in the donald mcgann. Transcripts was don mcgann with respect to the russia investigation who was leaking and while this was a national security investigation. The real national security concerns were. What was michael. Flynn talking about with the russians. And what was donald trump doing With himself and his family with the russians. I will defend to the day that i die the investigation that we did on russia that showed that donald trump plan for benefited from and received help from the russians and his response to that is i said it was punitive retaliatory. I don't think it's gonna stand the constitutional and legal scrutiny of that better. Come upon it. Soon congressman are ex. Well have a great weekend. Thanks for making time for us. My pleasure thanks chris. Event trauma is the editorial page editor of the boston globe which this week published the editorial board series titled future proofing the presidency. This as there's only one way left to restore deterrence and convey future presence. The rule of law applies to them. The justice of our must abandoned two centuries of tradition by dieting in prosecuting donald trump for his conduct in office. Nick ackerman served as an assistant. Special watergate prosecutor where he specifically investigated president nixon's abusive federal agencies to go after people on his enemies list. And both join me now. Now let me start with you. I i really liked what you guys are doing. Are like the sort of clarity of the call here. Why why did you take this project on. Why are you writing this. And why do you think it's important what chris as it stands right now to paraphrase a certain hollywood access video the message to the american public is if you were president when you're president the let you do it and buy it. I mean break. The law abused the power of the presidency. To enrich yourself and your family Obstruct investigations into foreign interference in us elections subvert democracy by undermining the results of a legitimate election incite insurrection in the us capital. It's essentially a permission slip as it stands because there has been no accountability. There's been no reform that addresses what donald trump did an office and really the weaknesses. He exposed in the foundation of our democracy in the constitution in that system of Checks and balances the fact that impeachment did not prove itself to be a powerful tool for truly shameless president and a politicized republican party willing to protect him in the senate and failing to remove him so the question before the country right now that we wanted to address in this series the question we wanted to put before the country is. Are we going to learn the hard truths of the trump presidency and make the need reforms. Is congress going to make the needed. Reforms is the doj going to bring charges against donald trump and prosecute him for the gis abuses of power for the laws he broke wall in the oval office. Or are we going to leave. Our democracy vulnerable to would be dictators. That i think that's precisely the question i mean. I think that the the sort of answer to that comes from a variety of different corners of american institutional landscape. Nick you i mean you live this and i did not and i have read a lot about it and like reading a lot about it and i you know i was like wow. This does really feel nick sony right. This is what the adjective was made for as we learn about this what was putting putting context. What what you are setting back then. And what your reaction to learning about what. The justice department's up to here is this just seemed like a repeat of history on this all started. I mean basically with an obsession by richard nixon of leaks that were going on just likely. Donald trump will leaks about michael. Michael flynn and about his national security adviser and what was going on comey on it. All started the same rate which excludes obsessed with any older and this land to actually take action investigations at than to really going after their enemies and trying to put together. What was supposed to be in Investigation turned into essentially a political hunt to try. And find your on. Your opponents are. And that's what richard nixon up doing us the irs to do that. I used other federal agencies. Are there were some your rats that were able to stand up to him and do when you said much like mcgann basically told you know i'll do it. I'll take care of never did any and but there were people who did obviously here clearly worse shirt are there was information that was gathered and is pretty clear that his attorney general astor sessions. The first attorney juggle decided not to do anything with this. That trump prevailed on bar to resurrect Investigation into continue to get information. Apple about to congressman on the trump clearly been data. Gets there really does have the accountability here to nick's point here. I mean nixon used a bunch of federal agencies made pulling people's taxes at the the irs and one of the things that comes out of that in the church committee is a scale of the kind of deep. You know the secret state and their surveillance state and all the ways that it can get into americans and here. It seems like the point of the spear here really seems to be the justice department. And the thing that we're the thing we're flirting dangerously with is a president who says day one of the attorney like go prosecute all those people go put my political enemies in jail. It didn't quite happen that that's the red line that we have edged very close towards well quite a few red lines. I would say certainly that. Certainly the abusive the pardon power to reward loyalists like paul manafort. Share who obviously didn't cooperate with federal prosecutors lied to federal prosecutors also abusing the power of the presidency to enrich himself in his family. Well that wasn't necessarily in of itself and existential threat to democracy nepotism involved in that presidency and the lack of checks exposed it just deeply exposed problems with the norms that we have and even the existing laws that we have as checks on the presidency. When we're not willing to enforce those norms we're not willing to enforce force those laws and i think the lesson of the church committee ought to be adopted here which is to say that congress ought to look systematically and this is what the globe editorial board series lays out at all the different ways that law existing laws need to be shored up a new laws needs to be articulated and particularly accountability needs to be delivered through the justice system for donald trump. And perhaps more of his his colleagues beat event trauma and nick ackerman. Thank you both so much. That was great. Whatever we do about the crimes of trump while he was in office there is still an ongoing situation. The department of justice like every day. Who knows how many people still working there were involved in this leak destination. So what needs to be done to clean. House axed the bombshell story. About the trump justice department's investigations into democratic representatives. Staffers already triggered blowback from both inside and outside the department less than twenty four hours after the story was first reported. The office of the inspector general announced it will review the matter while senate majority leader chuck schumer and judiciary committee chairman. Dick german retina subpoena former attorneys. General william bar. Jeff sessions to testify before congress about the investigations thing is according to your times at least four. Doj officials who were involved in briefings about the hunt for leakers. Still justice department. That is not lost on one of the targets of this. Whole thing. Congressman. adam schiff. I think that the the attorney general has not vacation to clean house to essentially understand. Exactly what the department was doing the last four years. Make sure that there's accountability for those. That were engaged in political and partisan investigations within the department an opinion piece for the washington post former federal prosecutor. Paul butler argues the best way for twenty general merrick. garland protect. Justice department is to stop defending his predecessor professor of law at georgetown university law center and he joins me now. Take three argument. Paul so chris here there two major issues. The first sessions in bar justice department when after trump's political enemies was there a legal predicate for them to seek this very personal data about congress. People their staff. There are families and enough famous exchange. When then senator harris asked attorney general bar. Trump had ever directed to investigate somebody forest. Answer the answer. Any prosecutor with integrity should have been hell. No because i would quit and stabbed bar held in hard all. What do you mean by this word. And and that were that was revealing. it raised the distinct possibility that bar was believed to weaponize the department of justice to go after trump's political enemies at. That's where we are now so chris. The other major issue is what the biden justice department is going to do about this. so far. we've seen this pattern of protecting the trump justice department. That's starting to look more and more of the same as protecting corruption. So that's a. This is the sort of 'institutionalised paradox. That i think garland finds himself in right which is the some of the norms are rotated department of justice. I think two of them were the independence department. Right of taking orders from the white house directly a and b you abandoning continuity and how the department did its business continuity the positions it took and the cases it took so you come and you think well we want to restore those norms. So we're going to be independent and not let the white house tell us what to do. And we're going to go back to more continuity so we're gonna take the same position to the trump justice department on the e jean carroll lawsuit etc but that is the problem it seems to me. That's exactly right chris. I'm a proud alumnus of the department of justice and i respect the journals institutional commitments. But when buying was running he said that the trump administration was deep. Most corrupt in modern history and biden's justice department has not responded by fighting for transparency and accountability. And i understand muir garland's with to look forward not backward now to substitute trump's lock corrup- with biden's lock him up but looking backwards looking backwards. That's a dangerous approach. People are allowed to subvert the constitution with no consequences. Yeah that's very well Well sat and this is going to think it's gonna come to a head. I mean there's going to be some choices that have to be made as we go forward here and there's gonna be a lot riding on those choices that are made by the attorney general paul butler as always great. Thank you you all right. There's still so much we don't know about who's targeted by trump justice department. Who knew what about it. That's next it's been nearly twenty four hours since we got this report about trump's abuse the justice department. There's still a lot we don't know. Just listen to these two excerpts from the article okay in two thousand seventeen two thousand eighteen grand jury subpoenaed apple another internet service provider for the records of the people associated with the intelligence committee. They learned about most of the subpoenas last month. When apple inform the records have been shared. It was not clear why family members or children were involved but the investigators could have stopped the accounts because they were linked or on the theory. The parents were using the children's phones or computers to hide contact with journalists so exactly how many democratic records were secretly seized. Why were their families and children drawn into this. Also another question weren't even republicans investigated. Was this an explicit request from president trump crucially at a higher level. What does all this mean for. The justice department going forward. Betsy would respond as a national correspondent for politico and just published an article which former attorney general william bar denied knowing anything saying he didn't recall Getting briefed on the moves and. She joins me now. Betsy there has been a lot of well. Cya spinning from from william bar jeff sessions which suggests to me that they at least understand. This doesn't look great. You know you're dealing with a big mess when bar sessions. don't touch it bar of course famously. No shrinking violet whatsoever when it came to defending some of the most controversial moves that the trump white house in the trump. doj that just about everyone else agreed dramatically encroach on the justice. Department's independents if bar doesn't want to defend something that the doj did that means. You got a problem now. He narrowly was speaking about this issue of appealing to lawmakers records. What he didn't speak about more. Broadly was the wider topic of leak probes. One thing. it's important to remember when the question comes up of whether or not the president asked for these investigations. Is that what we don't know what he asked for privately. We do that. He did ask for them because he tweeted about them. Ceaselessly look back through the president's public twitter account which sometimes i think sometimes we tweets like their performance. Art or somehow didn't matter. Everyone was reading the note. That was george ripley senior. Doj officials were reading them in scratching their heads and thinking things like. Why is the president. Tweeting a picture of me behind prison bars. And the president explicitly tweeted. That shift needed to be investigated for leaking. He explicitly said check was illegally leaking classified material so that question has actually been answered trump one of these investigations to happen the only question which the tippy top people at doj which of the top political officials got this request and said no problem. Feel free to scoop up as much shift and swallow meta data as you think you need. That is such a great point. It just just a pause and emphasize effort second. Did trump request is asked and answered all the time constantly in public constantly constantly constantly. That is not a yes. you're right. that's a great point as theoretical. Then then the question becomes. I mean there's a few things right so who there. There's there's a great mayor mcchord quotas. Georgetown law professor but she was acting head of doj's national security division until may twenty seventeen. Who says under department practice any investigation into an elected official would have been considered a sensitive that have required high level approval. Now whether this was an investigation into an elected official or an elected officials meta data was just scooped up and it might sort of. You know the matter. Who's getting briefed. But you've got to imagine this is getting wrote up the chain at the point where you're going to apple and they're handing you meta data from the ranking member on the house intelligence committee the laws of physics did not preclude that it got run up the chain but if it didn't get run up the shane i would be flabbergasted. This is exactly the kind of thing that varies senior. Doj officials have jobs to deal with now the most plausible defense. That sessions is allies. Could make would be that if this particular leak probe involves the russia investigation of russia's than embassador to the united states. It's possible that sessions could have been recused if that's the case again hypothetical were spitballing. Your we don't know if that's the case for the next person who would have signed off on it will be rod rosenstein. Who is the deputy attorney. General who also was a trump appointee and he sort of went from being something like a a resistance celebrity to toward the end of his time. They're really drawing substantial and sustained criticism of for many folks particularly congressional democrats. Who felt that. He was a significant disappointment. Final point quickly here though. Is that to me the bar aspect of this. I mean the president clearly blows up about these leaks early on doj. Just a bunch of stuff in two thousand seventeen the reporting the times. It indicates bar barking came in that. He threw half a dozen attorneys at this that they restarted and for him to be like well. I don't really recall now like there's some tension there they're reporting. The times has indicates that like he was driving. There's absolutely tension there. The most charitable explanation is that there were so many open high-profile leak probes that perhaps in addition to the leak probes that hoover up shiffman swallows material. There could have been other ones that additionally bar would have been much more in the weeds on when it comes to specificity. We don't have the specific details on that but the reality of course is the bar was very enthusiastic about late. A leak probes as were other trump senior. doj officials. they lost track of all the people in the enemy's list data. They were trying to hoover up betsy. Woodruff swan thanks so much for coming on tonight. Thanks chris. still ahead to militia members seen alongside roger stone. Now charge the january six insurrection. So what's your stood up to coming up right earlier this week. There is this moment in a hearing congressional hearing. That hardly got any attention. These happen all the time. The most hearing moments get no attention. Right secretary state. Twenty blinken was appearing. Virtually foreign affairs committee and he was asked this question by democratic congresswoman. Ilhan omar minnesota. I know you oppose the court's investigation in both palestinian and in afghanistan. I haven't seen any evidence in either pieces that domestic warts can both can and will prosecute alleged war crimes and crimes against humanity. And i would emphasize that in israel and palestine. This includes crimes committed by both israeli security forces them amass in afghanistan and includes crimes committed by the afghan national government and the taliban so in both of these cases if domestic points can't or won't pursue justice and oppose the cc. Where do we think the victims of this. Suppose that crimes can go for. Justice are just to be clear here right. Congressman was asking secretary. Blinken where he thinks. Victims of alleged war crimes crimes against humanity can go for justice if local court say is really court or afghantistan. Courts will not look into these cases and if the us opposes the international criminal quarter. I see from investigating these alleged crimes. When it comes to afghanistan and the israeli palestinian conflict. She was referencing. The fact that there are active international criminal court investigations of all the entities. She named back in marci is he opened an investigation into alleged israeli war crimes in palestinian territories. The increase expected to investigate alleged crimes committed by israelis and palestinians. It will look at whether rocket fire by hamas and other groups from gaza amount to war crimes last year. The ict ruled chief. Prosecutor can open investigation to war crimes in afghanistan since two thousand three by all sides in the conflict including the taliban and us led forces though that's all factual that this is factual recitation of the things happening the international criminal court. The implication of course of the question is how do we move to a system in which there is actually a global sense equal justice under the law that is not just ruled by the powerful who will of course not investigate their own governments crimes. But some kind of investor katori body that investigates crimes with no fear or favor of powerful and less powerful countries alike. That's the point. She's making based on the facts before the then the congresswoman tweeted out her exchange sectors lincoln adding this quote. We have seen unthinkable atrocities committed by the us. israel afghanistan the taliban. That's when things blew up yesterday. Dozen democratic colleagues in the house issued a statement calling on the congresswoman to quote clarify her words place in the us and israel and the same categories hamas and the taliban to representative. Omar responded quote to be clear. I was no equating terrorist. Organizations with democratic countries well established judicial system's afterward house leadership including speaker. Nancy pelosi issued a statement welcoming the clarification by congressman are while also warning the quote drawing false equivalency between democracies like israel and groups that engage in terrorism. Come off in the taliban foments prejudice and undermines progress towards the future of peace and security for all. Sometimes when you tell the truth he reveals something. Your audience not ready to here. So if you have a problem with the grouping of these entities together and i understand why you would you should turn your ir towards whatever it is the. Us has done to put us in that category and not on congresswoman ilhan omar for pointing it out roger stone. donald trump's longtime confident advisor in baghdad has gone a little under the as of late which seems like a mistake for someone with reputation as a self proclaimed dirty trickster remember stone was convicted of impeding congressional inquiry that threatened donald trump misleading. Congress right His sentence was later commuted than last year. He was given a pardon by donald trump since then they seem to spend a lot of time with rightwing militia groups on the morning of january six for example he was seen in washington. Dc flanked by members of the oath keepers far-right anti-government militia. They were serving stones bodyguards before some of them would storm. The capital during the insurrection members the oath keepers were eventually indicted and government charging papers alleged. Some of the men were seen guarding. Trump confidante roger stone on january fifth and six. That's a broader show was hanging out with the day of the attack the day before on the eve of the attack. He was part of a rally in front of the spring core spoke alongside men connected with another militia. An anti-government group called the three percenters. We are at war. We are at war tomorrow. Million-strong patriots you'll be standing right there. They're going to hear our voices. The are gonna hear the rage of the american people over what they have done to us. And this country. They need to know we as people are. Million-strong are coming for them. If they batman was railing at the war that was going to happen on january six and another spoke after him alongside roger stone. They were part of a group of self described militia members arrested and charged yesterday with conspiracy. In the january sixth the tax they face charges including conspiring to obstruct an official proceeding which carries a twenty year. Maximum sentence ryan riley's senior justice reporter for huffpost. Today wrote this story in a piece titled traders need to be executed stop. The steel organizer indicted in january six conspiracy case ryan. Let's just start with with with these individuals and the indictments against them who they are. What the department say sure so. This is all a group based out of orange county. And i think there's sort of two separate cells. There is one sort of sell around the beverly hills area that i think we'll be forthcoming. And then there's this sort of sell around orange county That has been basically you know. Affiliated with the three percenters and sort of Had all decided to go over to dc on january six and they're essentially organized by this main guys former police chief Who is sort of this. Major figure in orange county was organizing rallies pro trump rallies anti lockdown rallies and sort of had a really big following their And just over. The onset really expressed in pretty stark terms what he thought needed to happen on january six and really violent language. And it's really. I mean it's a type of language that if black lives matter. Protesters had said this at some major rally. There'd be some repercussions for that. There would be some coverage of that but really this kind of somewhat flew under the radar to a certain extent. And now you only see this know nearly six months out and just seeing charges against this individual. Alan name and i want to just play. This is last november. This is recording himself while driving us the videos dark. But it's it's worth listening. Just in terms of the kind of rhetoric that he was engaged in before storming the capital to take a listen to him. And i think we're gonna see some really positive things happen. What's the truth is out there. People start going in prison and people even me to be some people at the highest levels being need to be made an example of with an execution or two or three and executioner. Two or three. I mean i. I have been struck by how common that rhetoric was around these circles of folks particularly in three percenters and the oath keepers that were involved in january six. Yeah at a rally. Another rally organized or was speaking at In back in december he talked about very specific terms. He talked about how you know they needed to go into the capital and grab people by the hair and drag them out and string them up by a. Lamppost has really specific rhetoric. That he's talking about your minute. Sort of astonishing. Like i mean. This is a former police chief right. This is someone with with by the end of this community. Who is well known in this community. Who was spreading this sort of language. But if you really follow the logic of this. It's not surprising if you honestly believe that. The election was stolen. I kinda keep going back to this point. If you honestly believe that the election was stolen. It's sort of makes sense that this was a possible resolution to that. Because that's a huge. It would be the largest in american history. So you've gotta like there would be have to be some action in response to that. You would have to do something about it. You can just have these recounts in certain states and you know. Let this play out in court if the election was stolen. You have to do something about that. That's kind of like very much in the american spirit and that's why you see sort rhetoric because these people deeply actually believe that because they are being fed these lives by conservative news outlets and by the president of the united states so roger stone so stone stone is one of these people i. It's like steve. Bannon got his to michael. Flynn got his part in. Roger stone got his barton. Flynn is you know showing up an event saying yeah we should have a military coup. Like my marin. Steve bannon is pushing the big lies. The litmus test and kind of wonder what roger stone is up to and i particularly i mean. There's i don't want to engage in guilt by association not accused of committing a crime in the fifth to six being around people who would later commit crimes is itself not a crime but like doing that was around a lot of militia guys who ended up storming the capital. Was he up to those days. Do we know yeah. I don't think that we've seen any evidence thus far. But i think he's tied. Probably to three separate criminal conspiracies now in terms of the defendants. You know like you said. He hasn't been charged any capacity but he's has certain connections to you know. Groups are three different groups have been charged at least so. I think that it's really interesting to see what will come out in a lot of the discovery there and how you know how close alaron communication because the idea that you're sort of going around and palling around with all these different groups that were then charged with storming the capital and who were preparing all this in this military gear. Had no clue what was going on. It's sort of ridiculous So i think that we're going to have to see what comes down the line. But i think also it's going to be a very high bar Because of the protections of the first amendment that we have the united states that are obviously very important unless he was directly involved in some sort of planning. It's a lot more difficult to make these charges a lot easier when someone actually storms the capital and actually follows through there just the incitement rhetoric israeli. The trick here. It's the that's more difficult. Heavier lifted you know. Rightfully the more difficult argument to make in court rather than someone who follows through on the actions but what that means is essentially a lot of these more ponds in the so-called war are going to end up being charged you supposed to the king or the a lot of the leaders in the situation. Yeah that's well. Said ryan reilly. Thanks for making time tonight. And thanks for all your great reporting that does it. For all in you can catch us every weeknight at eight o'clock on msnbc. Don't forget to like us on facebook. That's facebook dot com slash. All in with chris.

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Democracy Now! 2019-10-03 Thursday

"In San Francisco California this is democracy now and we call a ten city. It's terrible in fact we just sent a violation to the city of San Francisco Unsafe Water Unsafe Conditions Environmental Armenta. EPA EPA which is doing a great job is sending Nancy Pelosi with all the talk about his needles and drugs all over over the street. Kant's there's people that are dying in squalor in the best location in San Francisco trump versus California the President Attacks City of San Francisco again as the EPA issues of violation notice to the city falsely claiming in San Francisco's homelessness crisis has caused water pollution. Meanwhile trump administration recently revoked California's authority to set stricter auto emission standards but the state is fighting back transportation alone in our state is responsible for twenty nine percent of all greenhouse gases. We're already seeing their way. Greenhouse gases and climate change are affecting our state from wildfires and droughts to super storms floods and the lights plus the California legislature votes to ban private for profit prisons including private immigration jails. The bill is now now awaiting the governor's signature. We'll get the latest all that and more coming up welcome to democracy now democracy now dot Org the Warren Peace Report. I may need Goodman. Democratic lawmakers warn president trump Wednesday. They're preparing hiring to subpoena White House officials to produce documents related to trump's efforts to pressure the president of Ukraine to investigate trump's political rival Joe Biden and his son Hunter House Intelligence Chair Adam Schiff the California Democrat who's leading the impeachment investigation said he's deeply concerned that secretary three of State Mike Pompeo Thou to block current and former State Department officials from being questioned and shift denounce president trump's attacks on the unnamed unnamed intelligence official who blew the whistle on trump's interactions with Ukraine. The president wants to make this all about the whistle blower suggests people that come forward with evidence of his wrongdoing are somehow treasonous and should be treated as traitors and spies This is a blatant the latest effort to intimidate witnesses. It's an incitement of violence this comes after Secretary of state. Mike pompeo acknowledged he was on the July call. When trump spoke to the Ukrainian president Wlodimierz Alinsky meanwhile the Washington Post reports trump enlisted vice-president president Mike pence in his efforts to pressure Ukraine's new leader according to the post trump ordered pence to skip the inauguration of President Salon Ski in May and later had pence. Tell the Ukrainian president that US military aid was still being withheld while demanding more aggressive action on corruption which we would've understood included an investigation into the Biden's president trump reacted with fresh outrage Wednesday to Democrats impeachment an inquiry tweeting quote the do nothing. Democrats should be focused on building up our country not wasting everyone's time and energy on both like trump tweeted using using the four letter expletive trump then lashed out at his enemies from the Oval Office saying Congressman Schiff couldn't carry secretary of state. Mike pompeo's quote blank strap a reference to a jockstrap trump also repeated his claim that he's a very stable genius later during the day trump appeared with Finland's president at a joint news conference where he refused to answer questions from Reuters White House correspondent Jeff Mason about his this July phone call with Ukrainian President Biden and his son are stone cold crooked and you know walks out with millions of dollars. The Kid knows nothing you know and so do we go ahead and asking the question was what did you want presidents Alinsky to do about the President Vice President Biden and his son hunter you joking yeah. It was just a follow up of what I just asked you. Sir You ready. We have the president of Finland in Vermont Independent Senator and presidential candidate Bernie Sanders underwent surgery for a blocked blocked artery after he complained of chest pain at a campaign event in Las Vegas Tuesday night. Sanders campaign says the senator had two stints inserted into to an ordinary a common procedure. That's perform more than a half million times. A year in the United States patients are typically released from the hospital a day or two after after the surgery sanders rivals for the Democratic nomination issued statements of support as did many members of Congress in a tweet Wednesday. Senator Sanders thanked his as well wishers and said he's feeling good. He added quote. I'm fortunate to have good health care and great doctors and nurses helping me to recover none of us know when a medical medical emergency might affect US and no one should fear going bankrupt. If it occurs Medicare for all Senator Sanders wrote in Iraq at least eighteen people are dead more than eight hundred others wounded after police and soldiers reacted with violence to anti-government protests across Iraq. Some of the deaths and injuries came in Baghdad's topper square as police fired tear gas and live ammunition into a crowd of hundreds the the police also opened fire on protesters in the southern city of Nasariyah thousands more demonstrators in cities including Hilla La Bosra Kirkuk and to create many of them chanted a popular refrain from the Arab spring. The people demand the fall of the regime as they protested against unemployment corruption and lack of public services demanding a change. We want to methodically our demands. We want work. You want to work the you know treatises. Iraqis then tell us we're not Iraqi. We'll find other nationalities and migrate to other country's authorities have issued curfews and a number of cities while cutting off Internet access across much of Iraq British Prime Minister Boris Chris Johnson Wednesday unveiled his long-awaited plan to leave the European Union claiming the United Kingdom is prepared for a no deal brexit under Johnson's plan. Northern Ireland would leave the EU customs union twenty twenty one along with the rest of the U. K. but could keep its free flowing border with the Irish Republic by maintaining reigning European Union Trade Rules Johnson outlined his plan at a conference of his ruling Conservative Party Places Norton Anti European party so this is not nineteen European country. We all European love your. I Love Europe anyway. In Brussels the head of the European Union Parliament Steering Committee on Brexit Philippe lamberts called Johnson's plan and consistent and warned that a disastrous disastrous no deal brexit is looming. He claims to love Europe to embrace Europe by leaving it come on how can this be serious so what we are confronted with a nationalist meanwhile. Prime Minister Johnson spokesperson. I said Wednesday the prime minister would seek to suspend parliament again from October eighth to fourteenth ahead of the October thirty first deadline for Britain to leave the European European Union in Hong Kong Pro Democracy demonstrations or continuing after authorities said they've arrested eighteen year old protester who was shot by police during violent protests. Tuesday the students sang she can has been charged with assaulting a police officer and may face additional writing charges on Wednesday. Protesters smashed surveillance silence cameras and machines at subway stations elsewhere. Some protesters use gasoline bombs to set a police station on fire Hong Kong Chief Executive Carrie. Lam scheduled the meeting of Cabinet officials for Friday where she's expected to announce sweeping new emergency powers that will include a ban on protesters using masks at demonstrations whether it's to hide their identities or to protect against your gas in the eastern Atlantic Hurricane Lorenzo struck the Azores on Wednesday lashing the Portuguese territory with high winds and heavy surface a pass just west of the archipelago as a category two storm at its peak Lorenza became a monster category five cyclone with sustained winds ends of one hundred sixty miles per hour the most powerful hurricane ever observed so far north and east in the Atlantic. It's now threatening to strike. Ireland is a rare extra tropical cyclone with near Hurricane Force wins a recent study by British climate researchers found warmer ocean temperatures driven by human activity could triple the number of such storms storms by the end of the century and more climate news protesters with the activist group extinction rebellion used a fire engine and hoses to spray spray hundreds of gallons of fake blood outside the British Treasury in London Thursday covering part of the building and red liquid. The protesters also displayed a banner reading. Stop funding in climate death. At least two people were arrested. One of the activists told Reuters quote the red symbolizes the people dying now in the Global South and also the people who are going to start dying dying from climate change all around the world if we do nothing in California thirty-seven-year-old emigrant from Cameroon died Tuesday after he fell -ill in an ice person in a statement. I said the man Bonnie ibn we became partially paralyzed after suffering a brain hemorrhage. Am Region the middle of the night at O. tasted detention center. I says he was rushed to a San Diego Hospital but died. After undergoing treatment. The Immigration Jail is operated by core civic a for profit prison corporation in a statement Elisabeth Albin of the Inland Coalition for Immigrant Justice said quote the ongoing loss of life and immigration immigration. Detention is not only heartbreaking. It's infuriating. There's a bill sitting on Governor Gavin Newsom desk right now waiting to be signed that would ban private detention like go tay from California. People in detention cannot afford to be behind bars a second longer newsom needs to sign now unquote later in the broadcast asked. We'll have more on the campaign to end the for profit prisons here in California opera superstar Placido Domingo said Wednesday. He's resigning as the director factor of the Los Angeles Opera Emits multiple allegations of sexual misconduct in the workplace spanning three decades since August at least twenty women told reporters to Mingo regularly regularly harassed them and tried to pressure them into sexual relationships several say he forcibly kiss them or touch them without consent in some cases he called them incessantly instantly at home including late at night in New York federal judge in Brooklyn has denied bail to our Kelly setting a trial date of May eighteenth for the singer to face charges charges of racketeering kidnapping the sexual exploitation of children and sex trafficking. Kelly is currently behind bars in Chicago where he faces related federal charges of aggravated did criminal sexual assault involving women and girls his trial in Chicago. Federal Court is set to begin April twenty-seventh Accord in Dallas Texas has sentenced white former police officer Amber Geiger to ten years in prison for shooting dead her upstairs neighbour both John a twenty six year old black men in his own home in two thousand eighteen and a remarkable scene following the sentencing both John's younger brother Brandt said during a victim victim's impact statement that he forgave Amber Geiger and wish she would not serve any time in prison and I love you. I see always anything bad you. I don't know if this possibly but can you please please the pair then. Im- race for a minute State District Judge Tammy camp later hugged both both Gent's family members before turning to amber geiger handing her a Bible and embracing her as well Geiger will will be eligible for parole in five years outside the courtroom protesters condemned the sentence as too lenient chanting no justice no peace she'd face five to ninety nine years in jail protesters later marched through the streets blocking an intersection near the courthouse one woman was tackled to the pavement and arrested by riot police and in Nevada antiwar groups say ten activists were arrested Wednesday as they held a non violence civil disobedience protests against US drone attacks outside the gates of Creech Air Force Base Northwest of Las Vegas the base is home to drone operators who pilot pilot deadly drones for both the US military and the CIA in missions across Afghanistan and the Middle East. The protests comes just weeks after a US drone strike in Afghanistan China Stan killed thirty civilian farm workers who were resting in a field after harvesting pine nuts forty others were injured in a statement protest organizer organizer Toby Blow May said quote men. Women and children are violently murdered on suspicion alone for standing in the wrong place at the wrong time for just living their lives for being or of the wrong race or culture for attending a wedding for picking pine nuts. It has to stop now. He said and those are some of the headlines. This is democracy now democracy now DOT ORG the Warren Peace report I mean he could. We're broadcasting today from San and Francisco where president trump is continuing an all out attack on the city's homeless population and political leaders on Wednesday the trump administration filed an environmental notice of violation against San Francisco falsely claiming the city's homelessness crisis has caused water pollution. This is trump financing the move in a tirade against house speaker. Nancy Pelosi who is home district is San Francisco. She should focus on her own district. You see what's happening to a district. We call a tent city. It's terrible in fact we just said the violation to the city of San Francisco unsafe water unsafe unsafe conditions environmental. EPA ARE EPA which is doing a great job is sending Nancy Pelosi with all the talk about his needles needles and drugs all over the street this tents this people that are dying in squalor in the best location in San Francisco Cisco. It used to be a great city now. You have to see what's happened to San Francisco. You happen to see what what's what the Democrats have allowed to happen. City officials have repeatedly rejected. Trump's unfounded claims that homelessness is connected to water quality the EPA's action comes as a week after Environmental Protection Agency chief Andrew Wheeler said in a letter to California Governor Gavin Newsom that California's failing to enforce the clean water Iraq wheeler has also threatened to pull billions of dollars in federal highway funding to California accusing it of having the worst air quality in the United States a spokesperson a person for Governor News Center has called trump's moves political retribution against California plain and simple California's home to twelve percent of the country's. He's population but half of the country's unsheltered homeless people president trump has been pushing for a crackdown on the crisis for weeks. The Washington Post reported last month trump ordered the White House officials to launch this effort and that his administration is considering actions like destroying homeless homeless encampments California Congressman Ro Khanna told The Washington Post yet again. This is bravado for trump's base with no interest any actual policy experts recommendations to solve an issue kind of set for more. We're joined here in San Francisco by two guests. Jennifer Freidan Bach is is the Executive Director of the Coalition on Homelessness and Paul Bodin is the executive director of the Western regional advocacy project or rap a homeless advocacy group he he was formerly homeless himself Jennifer Freidan Buck. Let's begin with you the attacked by President trump specifically on California on in San Francisco saying that homeless people are responsible for water pollution. Can you respond overall yeah. I mean it's it's ridiculous ridiculous on on a few fronts first of all of course San Francisco filters. It's water. There's there's no link to water pollution but more importantly is is that trump himself is in a position where he could truly address this crises. we have a situation where we have you know in. San Francisco Cisco About Twenty One thousand people experiencing homelessness every year and that can be traced right back to his feet he has been engaged in massive cuts to Hud Ed he's also done in action in restoring the Hud budget which is where the roots of this crisis begin when the Hud budget has has been cut so dramatically starting in the late seventies and through the early eighties and has continued since just this divestment from insuring that people in the US Sava's safe and decent place to call home so truly ironic that he's complaining about it and then causing the problem and doing nothing to solve it well. I'd like to turn to HUD secretary. That's housing and Urban Development Secretary Ben Carson Discussing California's his housing crisis on Fox News last month. A lot of these people have mental health issues a lot of drug addiction. Some of them simply have have fallen on hard times and don't know how to deal with it but as a compassionate society it is something that we have to do something about. We can't just talk about it. Should it be the responsibility responsibility of the federal government. No these are local problems and the things that work best are when the local authorities take appropriate attention to these problems then the federal government can help them the state government can help them so that's had secretary. Dr Ben Carson Jason Paul Bodin if you could respond yeah it's just it's so profoundly ridiculous that this is the person that's running. Hud when you look at the one thousand nine hundred thirty seven housing act that created hood it said very clearly in that legislation that it was the federal federal government's responsibility to ensure that people have clean safe adequate place to live in one thousand ninety eight. They amended that to say the federal government cannot be held accountable to do that during the welfare reform of Newt Gingrich and signed by Clinton but the reason hud was created raided and this is the individual charged with administering that that federal department is to ensure housing available to poor people throughout the United States and this isn't a California or San Francisco Issue Santa California may have a larger number of people according to Hud Ed's point in time headcount but that's because they go out on January twenty fifth every other year and do a head count and that's how they it come up with the number of homeless people in the United States. That's ridiculous and of course warm. Weather climates are going to have a higher number. We don't know what the number of homeless people as with any specificity because it's something that poor people go in and out of all the time this is a federal responsibility to ensure that that people in the United States have a decent place to live that they can afford and we now spend fifty four billion dollars a year in two thousand four for constant dollars less on affordable housing than we did before the homeless crisis kicked in the early one thousand nine hundred eighty s restore that funding ending look at the cause and effect of eliminating net funding and you'll see the numbers of homeless people go way down because we all know nothing and homelessness like a home and like to turn to San Francisco Mayor London breed talking about the causes of homelessness and San Francisco. She was interviewed on PBS CBS last month. Housing affordability is at the core of what I know is a challenge for even middle income families struggling to live in San Francisco all between two thousand ten twenty fifteen in the city. We concentrated on jobs jobs jobs. We have a two point six percent unemployment rate but during that same time for every eight the jobs we create it. We created one unit of Housing and then it was like a battle between people who were moving here. People have lived here. Folks were being pushed out a communities that they were born and raised in like my friends and family and including the public housing I grew up in it was three hundred units. It was torn down and only two hundred units were built so there were a lot of mistakes that were made around housing and housing production and around affordable housing in particular because if we don't have the places for people to live that they can afford to live in that's a big part of why we see even more people living in their vehicles that San Francisco may a or the mayor of sense San Francisco London breed. She grew up in public housing. Paul all boating. You also were homeless for a time. Can you talk about how you were able to well. You say nothing thing solve homelessness like home talk about what happened with you and how you ended up not being homeless. I mean I mean my my circumstance of ending up. Homeless was was rather different than what we see in the streets today or even that what we saw in the early nineteen eighties mine. I was in a hud related issue. It was something that I think we've experienced for years that there was so many fewer of us. My mom died died in my father didn't want us there so we ended up bouncing around in the streets. I got very fortunate in that. I ended up at Hospitality House in the tenderloin lineup community organization that way predates the advent of contemporary homelessness and I became part of fabric of a community and addressing seeing the fact that so many of our neighbors in our community members were finding themselves with no where to live and I actually was able to use the experience that I was going through through and how I was you know get over feeling sorry for oneself by helping out other community members that are even worse place than urine and that's how we should be managing this issue. This homelessness should not be a career choice for people in poverty shouldn't be a career choice for people. We should be looking at had a systemically address. The massive economic inequalities that we see the commodification of healthcare the commodification of housing education education work commodifying public parts in our public streets through business improvement districts that are now running hold neighborhoods so we need to understand that neo liberalism is killing our country and we need to really understand that there's a massive human rights organizing campaign you know unlike with the poor people's campaign like we have to connect these issues and understand that it's not A. San Francisco issued like homelessness exists this sixty two two thousand shelter beds in New York City. There's over fifty thousand in Chicago over forty thousand in. La this is a serious problem that's been around around since. Reagan cut the audible housing budget in the early nineteen eighties and we're all living Reagan's wet dream of neoliberalism in America. He called the Reagan Revolution London breed talked about the units being torn down and replaced with fewer units. She didn't mention that the new units are all mixed income units so so only a third of the people that were living in the public housing buildings that Clinton under hope six tour down wherever able to get back into those units and family homelessness. Went Sky High when that program was implemented in the one thousand nine hundred ninety s Jennifer freedom. Can you talk about the connection between Gentrification Certification and homelessness. I mean San Francisco the enormous disparity in wealth the tech com boom here the tech tech companies that have just changed the landscape of the city. Yeah absolutely I mean. We had an existing homeless crisis. That was dramatically worsened. We have a situation where today it's so hard to get off the streets because those informal housing arrangements or being able to move into a residential gotcha hotel share a room all these even living in a garage. I mean all of these options are have have basically disappeared on the real estate. Speculation Asian here is out of control and we have thousands of folks who lose their housing in San Francisco and end up homeless and for many of them. They're stuck homeless because there's really not a way out and you know that's a big reason why we saw a thirty percent increase in homelessness with this last homeless count was because of this and estimates are between about while we have some housing for homeless folks. San Francisco There's you know for everyone. Housing Unit. we have about two or three people who are stuck homeless and we have a couple more people for each unit that are becoming homeless almost every year so this is a huge issue and you know who we're talking about. Primarily is who gets paid on and you can look at the data and see it it's seniors. It's people with disabilities. the poor communities where people of color lived have been particularly targeted we have rent control all in San Francisco so we but we don't have vacancy control so what that means is that if a landlord gets the household out they jack up the rent as much as they like so there's this huge incentive along real estate speculators to push tenants out and then that way they can they can rent the unit or sell off the unit at much higher income so it's a it's a massive problem and that's why we're seeing down the west coast such a dramatic rise in homelessness certain neighborhoods in San Francisco have begun to place boulders big gigantic rocks inside walks to keep people from setting up tents on the sidewalks. Is that True Jennifer. Yeah I mean I think it's pretty emblematic of you know the lack of any kind of action on this issue we're not we're not going to solve this issue and it. It's tough for the neighbors of course to have homelessness out there but it's so much worse for the folks who were almost. I mean we're talking about losing decades off your life through this experience. We're talking about really. Just you know Oh massive misery in the city's primary response is a police response like cities across the country to move folks from place to place in this particular situation Asian. This encampment had been moved around basically in a circle instead of solutions coming forward to get to get folks off the streets and into housing so let let's talk. Let's talk about those solutions for example. What do you think of presidential candidate Bernie Sanders Housing Plan. I've looked at that really closely and it's exactly the kind of thing that we need to be talking about. I think it's kind of troubling that it took trump to bring it up though for or this to become infused into the presidential debate I mean Bernie's had this in his platform for a while but I'm really hopeful that the other Democratic candidates will look at this as well because what what's going on here I mean we have millions of people who can't afford housing on Minimum uh-huh wage jobs. We have folks with disabilities elders that are out on our streets. We have families with children. I mean in San Francisco alone. We have three thousand children that experience. It's homelessness. Every year. We have pregnant women who are ending up in preterm labor mostly African American. This is affecting two more generations to come and so it's really it's really any time to get one of our members. Just the other day lost her she was pregnant and lost her a baby and you know. This is really a a very dramatic situation. It's a huge human rights issue that this country is facing on the things about Bernie's platforms that are really positive is he's is looking at investing in public public housing and improving the conditions expanding public housing he's also got in there the creation of new social housing which is kind of a a type of public housing where you have child care and and kind of Democratic Self Governance. That's in place that's a really beautiful concept used in in Europe in different places but you know we need to make sure that poor people in this country have a safe and decent place to call home just basic because there's this massive disparity everywhere wearing the country not just in the west coast. Every city in in in the country has the same problem. There's no place where you can really afford rent on a minimum wage job Bob. You're overpaying or you don't have enough to cover it and so we really would like to see this be a lot ticket a lot more seriously. According to the The New York Times the median home price and San Francisco is one point three million dollars. Paul a headline in the San Francisco Enciso Chronicle at the end of July Alameda County agrees to lease former jail to Oakland for homeless shelter as we begin to wrap up if you can say what at this point you feel needs to be done. I think that the VA needs to get back into providing hiding housing for veterans. I think the United States Department of Agriculture needs to reinvigorate and refund. It's housing program as to build over thirty thousand units a year ear of affordable housing in rural communities. Those programs are completely and totally gone. Hud needs to replace the fifty four billion dollars a year ear and this is every year over now thirty five years homelessness is not new. These boulders are not new. The state of California puts out boulders all the the time the city of Portland Oregon puts out boulders to keep people from camping near these neighbors didn't just make this up there enumerating what it is that they see their local and state fake governments doing the federal government all the candidates for Democrat knee or for Republicans should be looking at the role of Hud in ensuring that people people have a decent place to live because housing that isn't a commodity that is for people is a worthwhile housing program just like the Homeowner Housing Subsidy Program Rammed through the IRS which is over one hundred and forty billion dollars a year if we can afford a one hundred and forty billion dollars a year and housing subsidies as for homeowners we sure as hell can do better than thirty four billion dollars a year and housing subsidies for poor people well. I WanNa thank you both for being with us. And of course we're going to continue to follow this issue not only in San Francisco and Los Angeles but around the country I wanNA thank Jennifer Freidan Bach Executive Director of the Coalition on homelessness here in San Francisco and Paul Bodin Executive Director of rap. That's the Western regional advocacy project a homeless advocacy COSC- group when we come back the trump administration recently revoked California's authority to set stricter auto emission standards but the state is fighting back. Stay with US Love Woah S. E. A. it just uh-huh governor. Don't you come out the Stewart. I'm busy out there in the chair Sundar. This is democracy now democracy now or the warrant piece report. I made me Goodman were on the road and San Francisco. The Golden State is in a a legal battle with the trump administration over tailpipe emissions air quality climate change California recently joined nearly two dozen other states to file a lawsuit lawsuit against the trump administration after revoked California's air pollution standards for cars and light trucks and its latest regulatory rollback of laws aimed at slowing the climate crisis. This is California Attorney General Have Your Best Seta addressing reporters last month our message to those who claim to support states rights. It's don't trample on our doing so would be an attempt to undo the progress. We've made over the past decades. We can't afford that here in California. We cannot afford to backslide in our battle against climate change for us. This is about survival. Our communities are screaming for help to address. Yes the climate crisis unlike the trump administration. We don't run scared. It's clear that the stakes are high for California. It's clear to consumers sumer across the country and it's clear even to automakers who are embracing cleaner cars the trump administration's move seeks to cancel California's disagreement with Ford Honda Volkswagen and BMW that would see passenger vehicles average about fifty miles per gallon by twenty twenty six the trump administration's proposed freezing auto efficiency at twenty twenty level Sir around thirty seven miles a gallon auto emissions or California single largest source source of greenhouse gases late last month. Minnesota and New Mexico joined ten other states and adopting California's more stringent air quality rules rebuke to the trump administration astray shen well for more we are here in San Francisco and in Los Angeles there were joined by Mary Nichols the longtime chair of the California Air Resources Sports. She's led the board and Crafting California's internationally recognized climate action plan. Mary Nichols is known as the Queen of Green and here in in San Francisco. We're joined by Michael Brune Executive Director of the Sierra Club Mary Nichols Michael Brune welcome to the Moxie now Mary Nichols. Let's begin with you. What exactly is the trump administration ministration trying to do well they announced now almost two years ago their goal which is to eradicate the the standards that had been voluntarily agreed to by the state the federal government and the auto industry under President Obama so this is as part of the broader campaign to erase from the books every every accomplishment really of the Obama Administration but in this this case the the argument was that they needed to give relief to the auto industry by eliminating these standards which have required industry to produce slightly more efficient cleaner cars every year going back to two thousand twelve and out to twenty twenty-five so what they're doing is they're just stopping the program where it is instead of moving ahead. So what is the response of these auto companies. I mean usually usually you're on the other side of these companies demanding that they be regulated but it seems now you're coming together on the same side that the trump sadness as united you well the industry having agreed to these standards in the first place did ask ask for some changes they wanted some a little more time they want a little more flexibility in how to meet the standards they didn't ask for the program to go away and and there were a couple of reasons for that the main one being that they are in a very competitive global market now where every one of the companies wants to be making and and selling cars in China in India in the developing world so they have all made commitments to move in two zero emission and vehicles a battery electric vehicles advanced hybrids fuel cell vehicles and California has been working with the industry on on these plans and had been collaborating with them to make sure that the program could be effective but also something that the industry it could live with what the trump administration has been trying to do goes way too far and when the companies through their chief executive officers told told the president that he just said they didn't know what was good for them. Michael Brune I want to bring you into this conversation head of the Sierra Club nearly two dozen states have sued to block the trump administration from undoing California's authority to set strict car pollution rules one of the biggest the US battles over climate change talk about the significance of this loss as well as married noted a couple of minutes ago. The oil is now the largest source of climate pollution not just here in California but across the country and even around the world as Cole has begun to come down oil now is the largest source pursuit of this climate emergency and we can speak really plainly and saying that these regulations are actually working the safeguards that were put in place by Obama have done a great job in cutting climate pollution not just in California but across the country and also saving people money at the gas pump while also creating lots of jobs and so there are two issues that are at play and the lawsuits from twenty two states and the city of Los Angeles a-list city of New York and separate but complementary lawsuits from the Sierra Club and other organizations are looking to protect those standards and continue you the transition away from fossil fuels away from oil and moving towards clean electric vehicles and other zero polluting vehicles but then also to protect the right eight that California has that is enshrined in the Clean Air Act to set strong standards to protect public health to create jobs to save money and to cut pollution so those are the two issues that are play and just like every lawsuit environmental organizations and other states have filed against this administration. We're confident confident. We're going to win because what we have seen is that this administration is sloppy. They are reckless. They don't use the facts they don't follow the science and that pattern turn of behavior from this administration is really difficult to defend in court so we expect to win and we will fight this vigorously and we will prevail also there was just a new study that came out driving is not just an air pollution and climate change problem problem turns out it must be the largest contributor of micro-plastics and California coastal waters. That's one have many new findings released Wednesday from the most comprehensive study today on micro-plastics in California rainfall washes more than seven trillion Lian micro-plastics tire particles left behind on streets into San Francisco Bay each year and about three hundred times greater than what comes from from micro fibers washing polyester clothes or micro beads from beauty products. I'm reading from PHYS DOT ORG news. If if you can comment on this as well Michael Sure I did see that study and seeing it gives me comfort that there's people like Mary Nichols here in California who are beginning to explore or these issues it causes me some alarm to think about Bernhardt at the Interior Department or Andrew Wheeler former co lobbyist running. EPA YEA or trump and pence who continue to ignore science and who continued to give benefits to some of the biggest polluters in this country what we know is that here in California but also in several dozen states across the country we are beginning to find a way to help people to get from place to place either are in vehicles that pollute a lot less or moving towards electric vehicles or by moving to other forms of clean transportation using mass transit living coaster to where we work in play. There's a variety of solutions that we can put into place at the state and at the federal level to cut all forms of pollution and improve our quality the of life this is what the environmental movement is doing in concert with private industry and with state regulators and again we are facing fierce headwinds winds coming from this administration on almost every front Mary Nichols what you have to say to president trump and what is the biggest this problem you're facing in California right now around the climate crisis and the EPA going after California and also overall parole deregulating whether we're talking about coal power plants whether we're talking about deregulating restrictions on on and energy companies in general sure well it it wasn't lost on most people when Andrew we alert the head of the Environmental Protection Agency now central ladder to California criticizing us for the fact that we still have some very very persistent troublesome areas where we don't meet the federal health standards for air quality and we've been working diligently to bring that down down over the years. We've had a lot of success but we also still have quite a bit of work to do. the problem of global warming actually makes six air pollution worse because heat in and of itself causes whatever emissions are in the air to turn into air pollution more quickly. Klay and more completely so it's really a vicious circle so at the same time that he's critiquing us for the fact that our air is is not as good as we he wanted to be. He's also taking away our tormentor. Take away the biggest tool that we have which is our ability to sat more progressive standards standards for the new motor vehicles cars trucks buses etc in order to make sure that we don't do anything that might possibly restrict emissions of greenhouse gases so it's a honestly it's a ridiculous situation that the trump administration has now gotten itself into where in their great desire to deregulate and take away. California's authority at the same time they are eliminating leading the tool that has proven over the years to be the most effective one that we and all the other states that choose to use our standards have found in order to make our air healthier for our people Mary Nichols can you talk more about Minnesota and New Mexico becoming the latest states to embrace race both of California's strict rules on tailpipe emissions and zero emission vehicles why this is so important at this point when the trump administration is is taking on California and how this affects those states sure I I think that the sign that we're doing something something that makes sense not just for California but for people around the country is that governors in other states who don't want to necessarily even use the word California standards when they move in this area have recognized that we need to be all all moving in the direction of the cleanest most efficient vehicles that are out there the auto industry and MINNESOTA HAS some auto related industry but mostly there that is not there stuff their principal economy but they do have pockets of pollution and they they are troubled with you know wanting to be a part of the movement that's going on around the world in the direction of transportation which is cleaner and more efficient and they'd like to be a home for some of the advanced technologies that are now emerging. They've seen that new companies are actually rising up to produce some of the newer zero emission vehicles and I think they would like to like to to be a part of that and finally Michael Brune the effect of the climate activism that is we are seeing not only in the United States dates but all over the world. I mean just last week young people walking out of school throughout California around the country around the world millions and millions and millions of people marching to deal with the climate crisis. What do you think is going to be the the direction of climate activism. And where do you see this all coming to ahead with President trump true. I think the effects of the protests that we've seen in the marches has been profound. My children were marching on market street just last last week and what we're seeing as you mentioned is millions of people who are demanding strong action and what we are also seeing is that we're seeing heads of state here in California seven other states in the United States have committed to move to one hundred percent clean energy moving off off of all fossil fuels. We have seen more than one hundred mayors of cities across the United States beginning to make the same commitment to get off. All fossil fuels feels and move to one hundred percent clean renewable energy. We're seeing the largest companies in the country and around the world's companies like salesforce and Walgreens Ikea's I key starbucks and many others make the same commitment to get off of all fossil fuels and what we're starting to see is an increasing willingness by governors by state regulators people across all of civil society except the trump administration to actually face this crisis and realize that we not just have an obligation obligation. We don't just have an obligation to act but there's an opportunity to address some of the biggest challenges that we face in this country we can revive our economy. We can put millions millions of people to work in good high-quality well paying jobs we can cut air and water pollution all at the same time by Challenging Ellen ging our leaders to move off a fossil fuels and move towards clean energy. I think it's an inspiring time we're starting to see strong action almost everywhere except steps inside Washington. DC and accept this administration well Michael Brune. I want to thank you for being with us. Executive Director of the Sierra Club he's based here in San Francisco and Mary Nichols Chair of the California Air Resources Board is led the board and Crafting California's internationally recognized climate action plan. She's known as the Queen of Green when we come back the California legislature voted to ban private for profit prisons including private immigration jails the bills now awaiting the governor's signature stay with us. Maybe Sunday your in one day the it's sad tomorrow by the muffs then from Southern California singer Kim Shattuck passed away from complications of Ahah LS on October second. This is democracy now. Democracy now dot org warned piece report. I'm Amy Goodman in California. A thirty seven year old immigrant from mm Cameroon died Tuesday after he fell ill and an ice prison in a statement ice said the man Abani ibn we became partially a paralyzed after suffering a brain hemorrhage in the middle of the night it. Okay Mesa detention center ice says he was rushed to a Sunday hospital but died after undergoing treatment. The Immigration Tale is operated by core civic four Prophet Prison Corporation in a statement Elizabeth Album of the Inland Coalition for Immigrant Justice said quote. The ongoing loss of life in immigration. Detention is not only heartbreaking. It's infuriating. There's a bill sitting on Governor Governor newsome's desk right now waiting to be signed that would ban private private attention like Oh tae from California people in detention cannot afford to be behind bars a second longer newsom needs to sign now. She said Bell was referring to the bill that California lawmakers passed last month banning private prison statewide in a major blow to the for profit person industry in the US. We're joined join now by Hamad Gasden Puna and Immigration Attorney with the California Collaborative for immigrant justice. You were seminal in the shaping of this bill an if you could start off by explaining just what this bill exactly says yes so this bill actually sends a very clear message that people are not commodities. Adi's and that the state of California values people over prophets and that corporations should no longer be allowed to profit off of the incarceration in or the detention of California residents and it has been passed by both houses in the California legislature. Yes it has and what is the governor's intention here. What do you understand. He has yet to sign it but it was just past that we expect the governor will do the right thing and that will uphold the campaign promises that he made he did state during his campaign that he would seek to end for profit prisons in California California and we expect to continue to do the right thing with respect to to this bill. So what does it mean what would happen in California. How much of the California Alexandria prison system and immigration jail system is run by four profit companies so as it stands right now there are four major private facilities that house detainees in the immigration context in California. Those facilities are operated by large for profit entities and and those facilities would no longer be allowed to renew their contracts. A number of those facilities actually are rife with immigration abuse. One of those facilities Atalanta facilities actually the second deadliest facility in the entire nation and so what will essentially happen is that these facilities would no longer have you allowed to continue their contracts and hopefully it means that the end of for profit immigration detention in California so can you talk about about this latest death and how it fits into this picture one of the reasons why for profit facilities are so problematic is that they don't have the same degree of transparency and accountability that you would expect from an institution which deprives people of their liberty and so we've you've seen over and over again that these private facilities don't care about medical conditions. They don't care about transparency. They don't care about accountability and they treat people essentially like commodities. Yes they're incentivized to do that. That's their entire business. Operation is to treat people like commodities. They don't care about you know conditions across the board word and so this bill very squarely sends a message that California will no longer allow this practice to continue and the deaths that we've seen are a direct result of of combination of horrific policies by this administration in the context of immigration attention immigration detention as a whole is needless people do not need to be detained in the context of Immigration and civil proceedings and to add to that the for profit the tension of immigrants is abhorrent. It's morally reprehensible well. It's something that intends from now will look back on with complete disgust and I think this bill is the first step in ending that the first death at an ice jail l. and this fiscal year just occurred yesterday at the Mesa detention facility in San Diego the thirty seven year old man from Cameroon. It's the ninth death this year. Almost two hundred people people have died in detention since two thousand and three if you can talk about an immigrant rights groups are calling now for an investigation of course into this death breath into this death if you can talk about how this connects to the ice detention facilities the overall picture with for profit prisons ice has contracts with four profit centers particularly the Geo Group that are supposed to expire this year will the bill prevent these contracts tracks from being renewed but start off with the particular Cameroonian man who died yesterday yes so overall all within the context of conditions like I said before the private facilities lack transparency the Attorney General of California actually has a mandate to be able to investigate the conditions of these facilities and they were actually denied access in their initial inquiry into the private detention facilities in California so again. We've there's a lack of accountability and transparency in these facilities which lead to things like deaths in detention people suffering and so this this bill again will remove the for profit incentive from these companies in running these facilities and hopefully that results in less people being detained within within the context of these for profit facilities and overall less people dying in these facilities. Although I want to thank you very much for being with us. Of course we'll continue to follow oh this and whether or not the governor signs this. Ben On for profit persons homemade yeston panel is an immigration attorney with the California the -Fornia collaborative for immigrant justice that does it for our broadcast here in San Francisco will be here again tomorrow. Nurmi shake. We'll be speaking tonight in Ithaca New York at seven o'clock. 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