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Stephen Handwerk  Democratic Party Strategist and Managing Partner of Garrison Strategies

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Stephen Handwerk Democratic Party Strategist and Managing Partner of Garrison Strategies

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Stephen brings more than twenty years of experience fighting for democratic values. The local state and national level including six years serving as co chair of the national stonewall democrats pack he lives in lafayette with his husband at two decades and their two great danes. Whiskey and mahyco. We're taping this interview a few days after the siege on the us capital something. I never would have dreamed possible when we scheduled our interview a month ago. So stephen handwork. Welcome to discover lafayette. Thank you so much for having me. I'm so excited to be. We've been friends for quite a while. Now i meant when i ran fall. Came lee a republican and a democrat about that. I think we're both people. In france. I and probably concerned citizens right up there no matter what our party you've shown that through the years you care about our state in our country and as have you and that's why it's been so whenever i see your number come up on my phone or whatever i have the issue to be able to dial you. I know that. I'm going to be able to talk to someone who has an who really wants to get to finding solutions and also to can sometimes help commiserate out woodward frustrated with our political systems. Yeah these are crazy times. We're heading before we started recording. Everybody wanted twenty twenty two end and boy did it. Now we've got twenty twenty one year. That i think is already has gone down in history as One of the saddest starts. I've ever seen a look. My daughter taylor. She's here with steven. Thank you for having three of us in on the call Taylor is a young woman. She's an independent. And i thought it'd be interesting to get her feedback to Talking bit if you'd like to start out there's a lot of issues we can talk about. You know the election of joe biden and all it seems like we can start out with your thoughts on what's going on nationally in in the states as we look forward to joe biden being sworn on you look. I don't know That that we are in a good place nationally. I believe that we've got a lot of problems that have been made worse buying in my opinion out of control executive Who has always had somewhat of a distant relationship with the facts. Bites has certainly made those things worst post-election and the numbers came in as the People weighed in on this election. As more americans voted in this election than in any other election in our nation's history when all was said and done the president came up short and he and his followers and probably lot of his innate lers a really lead our country down a horrible track. These past. Two months in ultimately led to an insurrection. In her handle. I have said Especially over the past two days. That for those of us who remember nine eleven. I had those exact same feelings all day wednesday. His we saw what was happening as we saw the shots of the individuals. Getting fired up at the rally Right outside the white house and then we saw the mobs moving towards the capital. It was something as they would cut away and show the capital. That was making me incredibly nervous. Because we weren't seeing the type of th- worse that we would normally see so clearly for many of us who watch these things who've been at marches protests and at events i i kept thinking that the doors were open all of us capital. Police come pouring out that and it just it it never happened and then we saw an outright travesty tour country and so now we're we answer your question. What do we do. And i have been hosting almost every day on all by socials because i believe this that we cannot begin to heal until there is accountability. We have to. I mean. I think sad and and and maybe your daughter candidate ted tell us as well but i was raised in a world that there was accountability. I feel very sad. That i broke something. Okay when i had to go and talk to my mom about breaking it but there were still going to be accountability okay. I probably was going to be grounded for. I probably was going to have some sort of consequence to the jets. And so those who are seeing that we've got a oh we've gotta move on. I'm sorry we can't move on from an insurrection that there's just no way possible in my mind that we just move on from that but there's gotta have to be accountability and it's not just for this president is far as i'm concerned it has to be for those who able him for those were constantly in his ear constantly feeding him this ridiculous nonsense of trying to find extra votes and that it was possible in that big just needed to delay the actions taken by the congress. It's it's a lot so not till strongly about these things. I know it's really you know could care less. But i there's a couple of things you talked about. I'm gonna get tailored opportunity to respond first to her thoughts on the accountability. because taylor. he's gotten in trouble before. I spent a good portrait. Martin is school career grounded. So i got caught for everything and then my dad taught me specifically. There's a way saying starring. You say i did it back thing. I'm sorry please forgive me. I won't do it again. And then you have to follow up on that because empty promises. It's just it's pointless. I mean he as you have to have faith in the system i mean. That's why america's great because we have a democracy like that's why people come here all the time dealer still coming here now even these past four years that had been greasy that shows just how great we are as upon but my god. I don't know. I mean my little sister just turned twenty two. I want her to be excited about the political process. You know so what i wonder. Will this be a silver lining not only the democratic party but hopefully for the republican party to back away from that you know Dysfunction in really look at our core values. Which is what i cherish. I mean i was a reagan republican back in nineteen eighty s when i registered in cherished our party ideals but they're no longer visible. At least i say. I just in louisiana but nationally. So do you think that did count ability aside. I guess that's unfold. Stephen as we go through the next few weeks You're know there's peach and all these other things going on that he thinks he's gonna be a silver lining from this extreme behavior. That we've been witnessing i think so as long as we don't short hand the accountability part. I think that in order for people to feel like we have had a reckoning that we have had a time of a as work for us to be able to come together you. I look at the dichotomy of our two united states senators from louisiana. What a huge in the to you. And i am not a fan. How bill cassidy. That was probably one of the most difficult races back. i ever had to go through it. Because i'm such good friends with senator. Andrew and i really believe that she was better for state that being said bygones. He has shown himself to be a statesman in the past month and he needs to be recognized for that and we also need to contrast that with a buffoon that is john kennedy who has embarrassed us time and time again as a state he seems committed to making himself this constant talking head that needs to get out in front of a microphone to the first person to have hot take and be able to say something that so full of venom that will get replayed and replayed replay and the problem is that it was cute when he was just trying to do as best impression of foghorn michelmore okay but the problem is being quiet exactly but the problem is now. He actually inspired the insurrection. Even after even after his workplace was attacked his life was put in danger. He still voted to say yeah. We don't care. We don't care what happened in georgia. We don't care we don't care how the voters voted in that state. We don't care that the courts have all ruled against the president were still going to invalidate millions of votes by casting aside of. It's never been done before. And she is going to have to account. And there's there should be a very steep price for him. Congressman mike johnson and congressman scalise. The three of them added to this problem. A big stoke the flames they enrage people and we can't then all of a sudden act surprised when you enrage someone and they act out. We just can't senator. Kennedy is up for reelection next year hurt. People speculating on the show. Yesterday about governor edwards possibly running. Do you have any information about people. That may be looking to run against him. At as i always say. And i've been trained pretty well after almost nine years of running the party. That's not my news to make. But what i can't tell you. Is you better bet that we are going to have a significant challenges. And i gotta tell you. This is a call to all of my friends in the republican party. You need to challenge this man. You need to say not my house and you need to draw a line and say this is beyond the scope of what it is. We are going to be accepting and until that reckoning happens. I mean look right now. Amount of businesses are making those decisions. I feel bad for any of the white house interns. Any of the junior staffers that have worked in this white house. They're not getting a job. Yeah okay they're just not going to be getting a job not for the future. Because i don't know of any business that would want to take that risk on of getting found out that they hired someone who may have had some sort of a role in this administration. There has to be an accounting and seeing these corporate citizens actually stand up all the banks now saying that we're not going to process your credit card transactions anymore. You're no longer going to have space to be able to do this. Work because it instigated an insurrection and a lot of large corporations have suspended giving yes. I'll political getting. I think they're just backing out for a while. So in moseley you know the the the biggest ones or saying that we're not going to be giving especially were not giving to individuals who voted to throughout millions of voters that i think is incredibly important that they're being able to draw the line they can say you left rider center. This is the line that we have to draw. The nation a. That elections have consequences and them. Now wins they gotta be recognized again. The person who gets the both votes wins. I mean that's what we are taught in the first day of kindergarten. We've got we've got a push those norms even when our candidates don't win entrust have been on that side of those races before. I was totally thrilled for years ago. But i kind of except that. It happens and i know that a lot of people are like off is pricing equal time again. We thought that there was fear. Not that it was all fraud. Feel like those are differences in just the basis of their argument. I mean we knew that we lost fair and square other than just some people talking in other ears letting people but not just ballot changes. I mean it's it's entirely different. In my opinion i mean. I think that that's very valid. I think that that is that is probably one of the most cogent explanations as to the difference that we find ourselves in right there was we immediately went to work. I mean being on the inside We immediately went to work inside the democratic party. To say how in the world that we this short in our polling data when our operations data when our have we come up short not throughout votes challenge. This in court for you know on tonight that was that was something that was very Real us how are we going to make sure that that doesn't happen again. And then we'd sounds forward ourselves and one of the things that we believe. We have a lot gone. Were really good at is knocking doors and having conversations with voters democrats are good at that that was ripped away from us this year. We couldn't do that because cohen me had immediately figure out. Okay what is this. An it played into a lot of the president's words in a lot has been made his individuals. That did this digital organizing. They were so good at at at but they were doing it buys stoking the flakes were not burdened by truth and when you're not burdened by truth of you can just do anything. That's going to incite people to do what you want to do. You're not harnessed on to you. To to being factual no wonder. I don't know if my numbers are right stephen that talking about the al gore george w bush race. I mean from what. I heard al gore's votes for maybe five hundred thirty seven short state of arda so to lose that election. He probably was watching this right. Just you know disdain. For the whole process because finally did conduct himself honorably went to the supreme court and how it came out that that was a squeaker that is why really wants absolutely and for those of us who stayed up that whole night and then the next night and the next night we also we. We certainly remember that. And we saw how that played out i ultimately he was a state ultimately he did stand up and say and we look at the concession speeches that were made by john mccain mitt romney we look at the statesman that stood up and said that al gore certainly goes into that into that. Even look back at jimmy carter and that race was a pretty dirty race israel reelection in the problems that that got there. So you know i'm looking at. I'm hoping that we can call to our better. Angels here and get to a place. Where we're going to hold people accountable. I believe in finding the things. I believe i absolutely do but at the end of the day. We don't do it by tearing down the other right. I think we shared a friend when we lost him. Warren connell was such a good friend of mine And he was such a great guy because there was a lot. We agree on surprised by when we were doing the radio together and we were working together. We were always trying to find something that we could. What does the one thing that happened this week that we can agree. It was a good thing. Or what can we agree. That shouldn't have happened and we need to do better so it doesn't happen yet and we gotta get ourselves back to that. Somehow we got to well. Social media is to me the biggest difference between some of these prior elections where we are now because obviously it was a coordinated effort and social media. You know people have just gotten to be so inflamed all the time. It's it's just a way of life now calling people names and things. That even ten years ago i would have never imagined. Stupid are hubbard. Maybe enough you'll remember you remember. I mean it was not that long ago where we never in politics would accuse our opponent of line jury member. There was like a thing where you would say they got it wrong. We wouldn't go into like pretzels in order to be able to not say that they were lying because lying was such a bad. Stay right and now. Alan do we. I mean not only people And it is it is. It is definitely something that we we gotta come to terms with. We gotta figure this out. There is a whole lot at stake. Co that numbers have never been worse in our state The governor's going to be doing a press conference this afternoon. Which by the time folks here this interview will will be able to to know what comes from that but the numbers are only anymore and The new Strains of the virus are are incredibly aggressive and it is incredibly scary What we're going through right now. That in and of itself should be a huge crisis that we are dealing but we have multiple crises that were dealing with all even agree on that. That's what's so amazing. You know people that still don't take it. How did we allow that to happen. Mike how did we allow wearing a mask to become a political state. I don't know let me ask another National level before we go to state politics When unlocked on the biden side and the democratic national committee. It's like it's for real people. You know the issues i wanted to know. Like what are the toughest shoes. Because i never really looked at all that we have a divided house here kiss. You did not like somebody voted for trump and others maybe deadens but when i looked online there is nothing for the republican party since two thousand sixteen. They just chose not to adopt a platform. I guess they defaulted back to the sixteen issues. I didn't even. I didn't even follow that. I was one of those that was happy about the supreme court tax in. I gotta say do not voted the party line when look at what the democratic party stands for you know getting the minimum wage to fifteen dollars by twenty twenty six. I think Focusing on Cove it you know. The the fault lines have been drawn between people of means people Color suffering war. It's it's laid out just so explicitly and it was really a beautiful thing i i don't i just have to be honest. I don't agree with all debts but the thought that when interior i thought for people that don't know who to vote for the democratic platform really laid out depth. What their thoughts are as opposed to my party. You know if you know. And i think that that was a mistake when you allow your party to be run by an individual and it becomes a cult of personality verses. A basket of ideas were. That difference is is very difficult and also it's much more Galvanizing it's much more course it's much more prone to have because again any time you even say that while i disagree with the president look how many into look how few individuals could bring themselves to that place because again it wasn't about the core belief system of the republican party and there is a lot of values that i shared her with what the republican party used to me. I don't see that anymore. Regretfully And i'm hoping that more of those voices come out the george will's. The party is certainly someone that i oftentimes find myself reading his columns shaking head. Yeah yeah you've thought somehow tenure. He studied all. That taylor really puts effort into this. I think i was more surface level. I hate to say that will also may there were access to information now anyway but i guess it just makes me sad because i know clearly love so many democrats to but republicans. But it's just it's not the same. I mean because my parents are basically just smaller government. They're not filled with hate. And i don't know i mean it's easy to galvanize people when they're scared angry. That's our base instinctual things slip you grab onto that. It's it's it's scary. But yeah i don't know i mean. My dad was actually saying that. Hopefully it won't be immediate but the silver lining kinda like you're saying was the republican party can slowly with distancing of whatever the heck has been get back to what it actually is. So hopefully i think that will be the good part that comes out of this. So 'cause it's i'll say mitt. Romney has been out liar and his voice. Resonates end lindsey. Graham's road to damascus has been quite interesting to watch and you know so there are voices are are getting it and the pressure that is being mounted on all of the different sides is certainly going to have an isolating effect which i think individuals are going to have to have some really strong conversations with themselves but yeah i don't. I'm hoping i'm hoping that the republican party uses this as a time to go back to their core principles read. The cult of personality That they that they do that because quite frankly we need that like the democratic party needs that the democratic party needs to get back because again. I believe that we do a better job in arguing. Our values and so we need to get back to having conversations about values and you know. I think the thing is. I believe that those who are entrenched intransigent on this light later scully's light john kennedy the problem that i think that they boxed themselves into is is that they're going to only push people wanna get rid of the the parine they're gonna wanna get rid of the the electorate. They're going to want to get rid of the electoral college and the problem with that is republicans have not won the popular vote in the country. Give how an in louisiana would hagner voice. you know. Small stone would have to be there the two that were dominates. So yeah well hopefully this will. We'll say in. The next few months is going to be super interesting. And i do want to say i was proud of senator Cassidy i think it's because he's a baton rouge guy. Were both the same age. He was a graduate. I went to broadmoor high but all that aside you know wanna give a shout out. I was proud of so. Let's talk about. Our state of louisiana lived up are registered voters and we have three million one hundred thousand ish registered voters in louisiana and there are more democrats a million to registered democrats to like million republicans and then eight hundred nineteen thousand other. The independence are other libertarian. Green party whatever right so we still have majority democrat voters. But that's not really how our state votes if you could talk. We were talking before the interview started. It's fascinating how people but one way maybe on national issues and then it's different when you vote for your home town you know for low. Crochet said yeah it really is. We've certainly seen that in in looking at our numbers it has been Certainly true over the last decade that the republicans have making a lot of strides forward in ingoing. We used to have democratic party. Used to have a majority of the registered voters down. We don't we're slightly behind a clear. Majority of the state of all registered voters. But we still lead. I in all of that that being said. I think that our voters are lot more complicated than party Our voters Oftentimes on national level may see things in a more conservative lines may see things more certainly when we talk about. The supreme court picks in those sorts of things. You certainly see that there is a little bit more of a conservative than there but when it comes down to local elections people really do in louisiana. Want to consider the candidates for themselves regardless of party. oftentimes The party on selection may get them in the door by what keeps them or what converts them is the conversations with those individual and and so. I think that the opportunity for democrats i mean. I never thought twenty years ago when i got started politics here louisiana. I never thought that democrats would be able to claim jefferson parish as a blue parish. But guess what's happened and that's what we're seeing. We're starting to see that. Not only to cities do democrats have a solid majority but now we're also hearing the suburbs and the democrats taking over that in the more rural areas have become much more crimson democrat as a lot of those individuals used to be working class blue collar workers and they tended to associate with the democratic party. We've seen kind of that shift especially when it comes down to social issues has kinda cold that begin to that so the opportunities now is you. Lean into that and figure out exactly how do you. How do you garner those votes. How you engage with those voters so that they turn out on election day john. Bel edwards is an anomaly. Obviously i mean he's so conservative and some of the things that people really care about you know rights lives and Gun rights but in the big cities. I guess lafayette aside. It's minority democratic candidates that that have been winning these at least the mayoral races. I don't know about other the city councils and all that In louisiana would you talk about like the the typical democrat that selected at these levels. Is it mainly minorities that are being elected as it based on the population or Am i no no. We've got a great. We've got a great cornucopia a democrats that are getting elected in these local areas. We're seeing a lot of a folks. You were kind of doing what. The republicans did in the nineties as a party of more really building her bench right now in getting a lot of our folks elected to school boards and local town councils in getting them into the mix so that they can bill that they can really build our farm team and teaching them the tools that they need in order to be able to connect with voters. And that's a lot of the work that i participated in trying to help shape and mold. But what we're seeing is that where democrats have the opportunities are in these more suburban areas outward finding that and again it just what. The numbers are showing The the more a person has a higher education the more likely they are to be a with the democratic party. So when you're looking at these more affluent summers of areas there is certainly an opportunity for democrats to be able to go in there and how these honest conversations democrats often fall prey to not being able to talk about bumper stickers. They end up having to talk about you. Know thesis Actually their paper. That were on an issue but that actually works to their benefit in a lot of these more affluent communities where were being out those longer conversations and really build that out. And that's what's i think. Influencing the state q run longer election cycles now may be painful for a lot of individuals but to me. I'm excited about it. If we're waiting until qualifying day to run a race voters are not getting the chance to get into fully wage. You into fully judge your steel as it were and so giving a little bit more time to actually have that i think is really important and i think is one of the good changes that we're starting to see in state. When did all that change steven. It seems like in the past. You know the republicans attracted that wealthier the educated in it's really flipped with the populous movement. Right i mean that women strong when new gift pulled away from your core values. When you pull away you know. Look one of the things that drove me. Nuts about george. W bush was not a fan but one of the things that i just so wished i can get more of my democrats to say george w bush when frequently say you may not always agree with me. But you'll always know where i stand. That one's like earth shattering me. That's still is something that. I'm trying to get candidates to understand that if you have a core set of values that you're always going to live and model everything else becomes easy and as the republican party has called themselves away from that as they got away from those sort of core missions they've had things start creeping away when when when programs and rewarding friends. And you know taking care of your corporate donors when those things started encroaching and taking over all of a sudden voter started seeing will they say they say they want small government but not when they're rewarding their friends and nats dichotomy starting coming in there and started challenging the credulity of those candidates. I think that's when we started to see that shift and it only made it more right for someone like donald trump to come in and say well. Since you've already given up all of your values well come behind me and i'll get things done for us. Yeah and so. I think it lent to that. I think that that is a natural outcome of the slip. You know and it's something that i'm going to be continuing to find for inside. Our party is is fighting for only one thing about trump though. Remember back to twenty sixteen i thought it was. It was almost magnificent hockey. Just mowed down all those credible republican candidates. I really liked john casick. There were view that are really casick was kind of a everyday guy served office. I knew he was he was. He's more moderate. It's a real person an. He came out so disgusted with trump. And it came out. You know sanity wouldn't voting republican. But i just wonder as we move forward or possibly more people want to become independent. I know that you're spokesperson for your democratic party. That for young people. Like taylor coming up. You know What do you. What do you anticipate you think this. I know m louisiana. We have a lot of independent voters we do. And and look. I think that it's it's. It's partially our job. I frequently said that when you're working for the team in your wearing the jersey you're obviously always looking for the betterment of the jersey and the team One of the things that. I think that it is important for us to do those. That are kind of leadership roles in our teams. It's important for us to be able to provide space for our candidates to actually get the voters for them to be. Actually go after folks like taylor and the say. You should really come with me here. The ideas that i'm gonna be fighting for these things i wanted to deliver for you and for community giving them the space to do that without kind of the saddle. John bel edwards. I'll give you the the position on choice was certainly something that i gave some heartburn of our our base that issue is how is that first off. He never tried to be someone who he's not. He's always professed his faith and his belief system secondarily. He never once called me up on the phone or any of his people ever called me up on the bone and said stop talking about you being pro choice. I am pro choice. I'm a game in. there is the. I'm the last person that should have a say. I literally I'm the last person should say as to what a woman should be able to do with her body like seriously and because of that because of my belief system never wants to heat. Try in push us away from being able to say well look. We disagreed with the governor on. This doesn't take away. The fact that he expanded medicaid that he actually has led through the one of the worst crisis that we've seen we've seen him leads natural disasters that have gone through our state two of the biggest hurricanes that we've just gone through. He led through the hose on those issues and so being able to again. I think this goes back to george. W bush going back to being able to say i. I doubt the credibility for my advocacy for the governor. Because i couldn't say those things. Because i couldn't say i disagree with him on this issue but look at the totality i built that credibility amenable to go in. You know a women's rights groups and being able to have the conversation with him and b-o-l-l say all in all we've still got to be with him and that's where i think that again if we go back to our values if we talk about our values we're going to raise the level of discourse we're going to raise the level of of of how people are get along maybe we can get out of the comments section cagey me. Yeah yeah. I'm thinking back to the sixty minutes interview. It was on sunday nine with nancy. Pelosi in georgia officials. Who were republican. You know in semi be issues that have happened in the past week and Curious on your thoughts about our national leaders in the age you know. Do you think we can see a younger movement. I mean as a is just almost. I think too liberal from us anyone to at least from. Asu from self to look at leading the party of uc's some people have been coming in as possible to to see some new leadership coming in at least under six years of age. Yeah i mean okay. i'll give you one. You may have never heard of her before. But what about kamala harris. Yeah there is an amazing woman who is young least. I hope because if she's not considered young any more than i'm out she's in her fifties and so looking at her. I mean i do believe that she is a is a reach. One teach one has been my motto for a very long time and she lives her life. That when you look at the senior staff that's being brought into this cabinet. Yes we have some pros that are coming in. And i think that the nation needed to see that there was going to be some adults. You know sam down but all of these young folks that are coming in. I look at a maximum. Who's added to the team. I'm looking at some of the senior leadership That's coming into the comms department and all woman comes report that is coming in to help lead and help communicate the values of this president. That is something that i'm thoroughly excited about. Now it's not going to happen overnight honestly and when we're looking at our congressional institutions. I'm looking a lot of the individuals that are coming in jon. Ossoff is a perfect example of someone. That's going to be coming in. That i think is going to have a natural platform who is younger and look not all not just because you're young. Does it make you a leader. I think we've seen that with mr hallway in the united states so i honestly believed that there are those opportunities. I didn't see that interview. I probably wasn't Over the moon with a response there. Because i think it came off really aggressive but we have to realize that we can disagree with each other and we still can run the country in anti close. He's pretty impressive out. Think that she's eighty two full and very strong she. She comes right back. Well known a few eight year olds in my life and he knew there there. There seemed to be cognitive slip. Happy she's on. C- i mean she is on an and and yeah so. I'm thoroughly impressed with her. I think that she had said earlier on that. The agreement that she had made a with others the more progressive. The party is that she would serve two terms as speaker. This is the second term she was just elected to. And i'm hoping and i fully imagine that we're going to see some new individuals coming forward in leadership roles in we certainly see many of them come forward katie porter keep an eye on her she is a rockstar in our already. I think that she is doing it in outstanding job. She's a state rep She's a united states representative. And i just. I adore her. And i think that she's doing a lot of upgrade s. We wind down stephen What do you think what should we expect from by non once we get past all the impeachment hauer. That's gonna shake out you know he's really got For years now to to show us what can be gone. Where do you think are some of the top things. He's going to tackle i. Yeah so first and foremost it's coded cova coleman every piece every part of the government is going to be laser focused on kovin of any us through this crisis of helping americans get through and that's going to be everything from the health and medical side of things but it's also going to be on the support for our young families are young are small businesses a chimney bird. Small businesses have been held out to dry and and being able to see some real focus on delivering and and delivering in a way that not just his cutting blank checks to these offices but really helping the small businesses heat their staff. I think every one of us with our connections to the local business community can hold some really shining examples of folks. That said we're giving away. Were no longer taking salaries. But we're going to keep our staff employed where really going to lean in and and help our our young asked able to take care of their families. That's the thing that i think we're going to see. I think you're also waiting to see him wienand just because of his background. I think you're gonna see him. Really works to improve our standing on the national on the international i think he's gonna lean into a work with his counterparts throughout the world to be able to improve our standing. And i think that those are gonna be you know some of the things that we're going to see from him in his first hundred days that are probably gonna be the most To what i'm looking for the other thing is i'm going to forward to my whole world my whole day coming to a screeching halt because we're going to damage mode because of some wild tweet. That goes out. Like i'm really looking forward to being able to have that. We can plan that we can actually return to some norms. That is something important for me. Excuse me the last thing i want to say is having to justice department but no longer is beholding to political that this is gonna be a justice department. That is going to be free from political intervention. That it's gonna be it's gonna follow the facts that if you break a law. You're going to be held accountable. That is what we want to see. And i think that by doing those things President by will actually be able to get people to come to his side. That folks will give him the chance because they'll see it and biden is a big person to be able to say. Don't believe what i'm saying. Watch what i'm doing. And i think that's what we're going to see from him. I hope i hope you're right and i. I wish the best for him. I respect the office of the presidency. And i respect mr biden. You know winning the race. Taylor have anything you'd like to ask before we close young spot. Well we kinda talked about it. Last night's I would certainly like to live here and raise my kids here but a huge part of it for me like what is to see my kids public school. But we don't have the best public school system like the democrats bernie sir Plans or visions for education. Because i mean to me. That's just a huge factor deciding whether or not even stakes. I love ways. But it's usually out. It's a big deal for me. So yeah so look and obviously. I think that there's a lot of different ideas out there. But i'm a firm believer in in what clinton said when he was over in lake. Charles he said go to our schools. Find out what is working for them and then pay to replicated elsewhere. I think that's a really important thing for us to look at the problem that we've seen in one of the. I think the things that we are paying the price of the reagan era it is all taxes are bad. Look at the initiatives that we're doing here if we're take more constantly taking money away from those funds and the problem is that they're trying to balance that on the backs of the teachers while the problem i have with that. Is these teachers. That are now in their fifties. Okay agreed to defer compensation because of their retirement package because of their benefits package. They agreed to this work so that they would have that for themselves and ripping that a winning from them when they're ultimately two years to their retirement is not acceptable. So we we can do. Both we can honestly do both these things. We can have green schools that were reinvesting but we got lafayette high. And you will mmediately beat the most embarrassed person for any of the kids that have to call that their school it is falling down around the ankles of the kids that are going into every day in. We should all be appalled at that so we have to do better. But we have to have these honest dialogues. We have to go out there and have conversations with community and we got to get people to place where we can realize. We gotta be investing in our kids. How do you connect people in kobe. All their tax money doesn't go to what it says. It's four because that's a lot of people that i know were conservative data down for all taxes. Because they're like well they stakes for this. This but never is seven. It's just kind of like an all or nothing situation me. How do you convince them back. Their money's going where it's supposed to be going. Because i have to make sure that our leaders don't miss appropriate and send money elsewhere. So that's the first thing we gotta do. There's gotta be accountability on these individuals that are in office that are reshuffling these these monies being able to run everything through the general fund is not acceptable. We've got us for dedicating and we gotta start attaching one of the things that we saw over in. Calcutta she was there. Sheriff actually attached hitters increased millage to a covenant with the voters and said that ninety percent of this money is going to be used exactly for what we're italian you and if not i'm gonna come back in the air permission more of that. We're going to lean into being accountable and actually doing what we're saying we're gonna do to. There's too much fuzzy math. That goes on and all of this stuff and we're doing to ourselves. We did this year. We know when the airport tax is passed. It was for eight months and they kept their promise. All the money went to the airport. People voted for. It was masterful yet. Campaign lives impressive. Yeah that was. Larry side's group help in the airport commission but they did what they were getting a new air. That's exactly right. And i would also go back and argue The fiber optics the home. We did what we said we were going to do you back for those of us were involved heavily in back campaign iranian the democratic side of things. My friend john bertrand actually ran the republican side of things. That was so weird being in the same room with election day. Running our ops on it was so weird a by was it was something that that tier huma lettuce and ed and look every possible thing was thrown against him right every possible thing can even this day is still being a challenge but we delivered no one was gonna much higher bailed broads broadband. No was going to do that for us. And the amount of opportunities that is now provided to small businesses to educational opportunities for kids was huge. And so i will always put that feather in my cap and used as kind of a shining model of a community coming together and and really doing something for itself. Detailer of this has been great. Stephen hand work It's so good to hear your voice and to shine the light year. One of the people. I think that makes slap yet special and while we don't always probably agree on some of the political issues Again as i said in the opening our hearts are similar. Sa- thank you for taking time to share your thoughts and we'll see how the next few months unfold that i think locally. There's a lot to look forward here as we all start getting the vaccines and people emerge from this down. I'm looking forward to getting back to gnarled. Save me to. It was such a pleasure being here. Thank you so much for the invitation. Anytime you want to get together I'm there for you. 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RNC Night 2: Culture Roar

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"It's Wednesday August. Twenty six republicans need dramatic improvement. This was dramatic. Alright we start here. Breaking all sorts of norm, the Republican National Convention amps up the base eight, million trump voters didn't show up two years ago snow accident the GOP's victory. We will break it down with one of this week speakers. Protests have grown and not just in Kenosha Wisconsin. Were there no other nonlethal methods considered why the shooting Jacob Blake is united new arguments about police force and resisting arrest don't be embarrassed if you're not sure what convalescent plasma is, you're basically doing a shortcut of the vaccine process ridicule headlined by headline breaking down the latest Ovid news you need to know. From ABC News this start here I'm Brad Milkey. Be True to yourself and stay true to the dream of America. Thank you and God bless you all. Tiffany trump younger daughter of donald trump. They're speaking at the Mellon Auditorium Washington DC modulating tone. If you want the conventions on network tv, it is a relatively brief primetime slot this year even within that, there are commercial breaks, cut aways for analysis but before the gins and even during those breaks, the convention keeps going mostly for the hardcore folks online people really dialed in politics. If you watch them both you'll notice a difference. The stuff that everyone sees is meant to have broad appeal visiting. Lincoln's Boyhood home has always been a treasury experience for me and my fam last night though Republican National Convention some of the more fringe personalities of the party were not on the fringe anymore. Nothing prepared me for what I saw on the screen. An unborn baby fighting back desperate to move away from the suction. Really in the evening, a former planned parenthood employees gave a graphic description of what she described as a horrific work environment. You see for me abortion Israel. I know what sounds like I know what abortion smells like? Did. You know abortion even had a smell planned parenthood. It already said her account was not supported by documents but the real questions were over her other past comments like when she suggested reverting to household votes where husbands voted for wise or comments earlier this summer where she said police would be smart to profile her biracial son Democrats pressure on schools to allow boys to compete in girls, sports and US girls, locker rooms. Those are the facts and other key slot the granddaughter of Evangelical, Legend Billy, Graham, and one speaker was actually cut from the program just hours before the night began after she tweeted links to anti Semitic conspiracy theories but as primetime continued the tone group more triumphant -gratulations now. Questions about using the White House as a backdrop for partisan political events. I'm Mike prompted. I'm speaking to you from. Beautiful Jerusalem. Concerns about our top diplomat hyping up the president from overseas. But whether lawyers liked it or not Malania trump highlighted the evening by speaking from the White House Rose Garden I want to acknowledge the fact. Since March, our lives have changed drastically, and in that moment wearing military green amid a clear culture war, she became one of the only speakers to speak extensively about the pain felt by one hundred, seventy thousand American families I know many people are anxious. And Sound feel helpless. I want you to know you are not alone. My husband's administration will not stop fighting until there is an effective treatment or vaccine available to everyone. All this to highlight the needle that Republicans are trying to thread getting mass-appeal moving the needle with president trump trailing in the polls, but still throwing red meat to the Republican base stock to somebody who's been in this position we are joined. Now by one of this week, speakers stevescalise is the number two Republican in the House, the minority whip congressman scalise. Thanks so much rain with us. Sure great to be with you. Thanks. Now you spoke on night one. What is it like in this format because everyone knows that president trump would really love to have one hundred thousand screaming people in the arena with them or riot it's the first time I've addressed a convention but Benda, many of them and You know the thing about a convention is just jam packed with with all of the real party activists the people that are feverishly working to reelect the president and and you feel that energy will you know in this case you don't see anybody when you when you got to speak and. And so that is a little bit weird. But you know mmediately, your phone starts blowing up with text messages. So you know that there are a lot of people out there watching, but you know I watched a lot of it myself and it was just great and you and others have really been highlighting the Donald Trump. You know that others might not know right late this kind of peek behind the curtain is that the key to coming out of this convention with momentum like like if there are swing voters still out there, what does swing them in your mind? Know because I get to work with the president and in a lot of ways that most people don't and I work with them on policy primarily you know you're in a meeting with them talking about tax policy but he's talking about how is this going to help rebuild our middle class and how's IT GONNA help those lower income people that were that were struggling to to now be able to go buy house and those kinds of things. What did the paycheck protection program mean to your? Company. AS THE CORONA VIRUS STRUCK Who is a huge tremendous help in the big things but there's so much to build up on. We had such a hot economy prior to Kobe and then that just shut everything down but we can get back there. Again, we have to get back there. Again, a great bipartisan rescue also saved the economy right now our economic health is common back with emergency spending and tax cuts. Americans are going back to work in the meantime the president's. been very focused on on working on finding cures and getting all the red tape of government on the way so that the scientists can actually go develop a vaccine and you're seeing tremendous remarkable progress. By the way you know about a week and a half ago are the president helped broker deal between Israel and the United Arab Emirates, and let's talk about some of these issues because the ton of topics being covered in these speeches you've got. Economics we've heard a ton of references to police to protest. We've heard less about the pandemic and Covid nineteen you brought it up there. But if you see these other items as advantages are any of them going to matter at the end of the day if a thousand Americans continue to die from covid nineteen every day and if president trump is continuing to defy calls to slow the spread it at places like schools and businesses while you know. There, there's a number of pieces to that. Clearly, you you WANNA see the president continue like has focusing on Kobe. It started in China they lied to the world about it. They could save a lot of lives that they would have been candid with the whole world, and so you know we were all all countries were working to figure out what was really going on, and in the meantime, the president was working with scientists from the very beginning. The virus did not arrive from China though right congressman scientists say likely arrived here New York from Europe and there. I travel restrictions on Europe right with because initially, the president put a restriction on. China, because that's where we knew the virus was coming from in the meantime people were leaving Luhan and going to countries in Europe, and of course, Italy had a big outbreak. Well, European flights weren't banned because we didn't know the virus was there Lo and behold the virus. Spreads through Europe so the president put a European travel ban DR FAO chief. Let me ask you by the way Dr. Fao. Cheats. South. To fight under oath that those decisions by president trump to put those travel bans in place to save American lives you agree with that decision I do do you think that decision save lives Doctor Fauci yes I do so he still Doing things to protect American lives. He still working with scientists today he said everything that I could have hoped. Promise made promise cap t he ran a video the first night of the convention where there was a montage of these governors. Governor Cuomo on down talking about how great of a job president trump has done working with them, helping them getting them the tools they need. We were at the edge and this is life or death stop and we're forever thankful for that. So it's interesting but sometimes, you see some of these governors criticizing the president publicly in different settings they were praising the president on the actions he's taken. And I should say other countries did see this issue coming from Italy they were installing checks at airports that American airports did not have at the time but one last question for congressman because I know there are so many surprises in modern politics at this moment I, was asking Democrats, last week like what would happen if you didn't win the White House, he won the Senate, is there scenario in? Your mind where not only president trump wins but republicans like you in the House and is to take back the house as well. Absolutely there is you know, I it all starts with President trump getting reelected, and if you go back four years ago, there were a lot of people the forgotten men and women of this country who hadn't been voting for people of either party Republican or Democrat 'cause. Washington had given up on them. I have to confess I didn't support trump in two thousand sixteen skeptical that he shared my conservative views. I expected him to flip flop on his campaign promises president trump was speaking to them as a candidate I. You saw a lot of those those people are the ones that the rallies that that we hadn't seen before and they voted for for president trump and. He's delivered for them but he is followed through on his promises including last week when he brokered a deal to end European Union tariffs of eight percent on main live lobsters they didn't show up two years ago because president trump wasn't on the ballot. That's one of the reasons we lost houses about eight million trump voters didn't show up two years ago if those eight million people show up again. I think that's how president trump wins reelection, but it's also how we win back to how? Thousands of votes and they're all waving the trump signed trump pen sign because they don't show up a lot of it's one of the reasons president trump wasn't only well for years ago. But ultimately one he's going to deliver again, we've got to get our economy back on track 'cause we're battling covert. I think there's more spirit now then this ever been for my campaign and that includes two thousand sixteen better to build it than the person who built it before as the greatest economy in the world and that's Donald Trump. Steve scalise seen a path to victory congressman. Thanks so much for the time. Appreciate it by you. Next. On start here, more flare ups between protesters and police but these are being seen very differently depending on who you talk to we got a former prosecutor after the break. For second straight night Republicans continued to describe key difference with Democrats in how they perceive scenes like this. The protests in the wake of George Floyd's death have been measured as the single biggest set of protests in American history think about that Democrats have focused on the events that ignited them Republicans have focused largely on the aftermath especially, the ones that turn violent. And is to highlight the Gulf. This week's events with a black man named Jacob. Blake. Shot in the back by police in Wisconsin have offered a prime example of how quickly outraged can build a check in with Sonny Halston. She's a Co host of ABC's the view Celso former federal prosecutor sunny the family of Jacob Blake now says, he's paralyzed from the waist down for the time being what was going through your mind. As you've seen this unfold, you know what's been going through my mind Brad is. This seems to just keep on happening. We're seeing this over and over and over again, we know that black men are disproportionately. Maimed and killed by police officers in comparison to their white counterparts. But after all of the protests and all the social activism that we have seen a stemming from Brianna Taylor stemming from George Floyd. I am so. Surprised and dismayed and saddened that yet again, there's another video. Of A black man unarmed. Being shot not facing the police but with his back turned towards the police with his three sons ages three, five, eight in the car you're merger what his eight year old son who was celebrating his birthday. is going to think about every time he has a birthday. The pain in his father. Can you imagine this is real and our children. Should not ever have to witness. Anything like that. So I just thought about the state of the country in terms of policing. He when you watch this video I mean the guy is clearly not does not appear to be going after the cops they're also telling him to stop the. Pain him they're grabbing shirt. We've seen a lot of people at this point on social media saying, well, that's resisting arrest like stop resisting arrest escalating the situation is that how you know a prosecutor would see it well, that's not how this prosecutor sees it I. Think the real question here is we should be asking the police officers. Were there no other nonlethal methods considered earlier firmly? And they believe in miracles. The medical diagnosis right now? Is that he is paralysed. He shot seven to eight times in the back. that to me means that they lacked training what training would be useful at there are many alternatives when you're dealing in a situation as a police officer and you are trying to affect an arrest and some of the police training that I'm familiar with is yes a verbal command. If that is not listened to the next option maybe. A Taser then may be. A physical restraint. But to be sure and to be clear the use of a firearm. Is, lethal force and that on the spectrum is on the far end of the spectrum, it should be used as a last resort. Now, new video emerging showing a different angle just moments before blake was riddled with bullets he appears to be struggling on the ground with police before getting up and walking to open his car door when one of the officers opened fire and it was going to say, there have actually been reports that police did try to chase him but big difference between stunning someone to detain them and shooting at them with a gun because you think your life is in danger sunny can we talk about calls for action in the community because they were actually already marches planned for Ron Taylor and Louisville because protesters. Thought, you know our actions are being stalled here. They're trying to jump start this now looms over all that, and then even in the NBA, you've actually had players say they were considering boycotting games to try to force the Milwaukee Bucks, owner, his leverage, state officials, Mike Question you sunny it's like you know prosecutor's offices do do these kind of plays from the public work. It does work I'm a firm Believer in social activism. We play a beautiful game which brings so many great families together and people be able to rejoice in and enjoy it. But at the same time never lose track. What's really going on in our world especially here in. America. So I'm a believer in. People who have some power? Getting involved and indeed, you don't necessarily have to have institutional power to effect change. We've seen that with the protesters, right? La Melting major cuts to police funding Seattle considering a fifty percent reduction and New York, redirecting funds to youth programs and moving a bill forward that would ban choke holds I will say that you know the ultimate. Decision maker the chart is is the prosecutor would be I think the Kenosha County Da. And Prosecutor's office is are somewhat political. That's my question. Right. So that's a real. That is a real thing. It is a real thing. Many of these prosecutors are. Elected. And they do listen to their. Constituents they do and I think that not only should there be a call for action for. A charging decision to be made quickly. There should be a call for a vigorous and full investigation but what we seem to be lacking in many of these cases ultimately is accountability. And I think that is what you are hearing when you when you when you hearing the chant in, you're you're seeing the protesters. People want accountability and because of the stranglehold but quite frankly police unions have. In our country sometimes that accountability is very elusive and that is what I think people are looking for in still relatively few details being offered from Wisconsin authorities. In the meantime, we continue to see protests and even violence escalate in the streets of kenosha sunny hostile from ABC's the view. Thanks so much ankium. Early on in the COVID nineteen pandemic health officials said, you know if you think you might have gotten this thing you still feel okay. Maybe go ahead and Quarantine Yourself. There weren't enough test to go around what everyone flooding the system getting tested that has changed in recent months people without symptoms can spread this to spread it quickly there were fewer than two hundred people who came to this Boston hotel in February for an international biotech conference but a new study tonight says that this one event may have led to nearly twenty thousand covid nineteen infections in the Boston area along. So officials have said get. Tested when you can but yesterday the CDC suddenly and quietly changed its guidance saying if you think you've been exposed no need to get tested necessarily unless you have symptoms and what's even weirder was they didn't explain why they made these changes. They're actually a lot of recent developments on the cove front. So right now, I want to go back to basics. Let's get our chief medical correspondent in here, Dr Jennifer Ashton to describe some of the things we are learning Dr Ashton, we'll have more answers from the bit but in the meantime we were never rock rock-solid whether having this thing could make you immune. But now we have seen people getting reinfected right what are the takeaways from that? Yeah there's a story behind the story here Brad and let's get into it. First of all, the first report coming out of Hong Kong was in an asymmetric person that was picked up on routine screening at the airport. At Hong Kong the patient thirty-three-year-old man was I in fact it in late March four and a half months later, he contracted the virus again while traveling in Europe this person had been infected with covid nineteen four and a half months ago was showing zero symptoms was tested found to be positive but then the testing went a step further they actually did the genetic fingerprint of the virus and found that it was A. Different strain. So the real headline here shouldn't be as surprising as It seems which is that, yes someone can get infected with a different strain of SARS covy to just like we can get infected with a different strain of influenza. So No big surprise here and actually want to talk more about the flu season a second but I when we're talking about treatments doctor Jan, I have a different question. WHAT IS CONVALESCENT PLASMA? Can you simplify this morning? please. Well First, let's look at the two words here Brad convalescent that conjures up a healing process right and it is just as it sounds plasmas apart of blood that basically just results in giving someone the antibodies of someone who had been infected with cove nineteen and has now since recovered urgent need for convalescent plasma donations taken from recovered Kovic patients to help those currently fighting it. About Sixty eight. People have been affected by donate. What we're seeing now is people who have had covert nineteen donating their plasma and then that plasma being given under experimental conditions to other people who are sick with cove nineteen but I've heard fantastic things about convalescent plasma last week. The FDA. Seemed to suggest that there wasn't enough data to suggest that it has benefits in treating patients with covid nineteen and they said. Not, really anything convincing to make us give it an emergency use authorization top federal doctors including Dr Foul. Say They don't have enough data from clinical trials to prove plasma can help people fight the virus this week the pendulum swung way to the other extreme and Dr Steven Hahn said. That it can save lives in a huge percentage of cases. One hundred people who are sick. With covid nineteen, thirty five would have been saved because of the administration about plasma and then immediately came out and said actually I misspoke some people say the optics either looked like. Or pressure what do you say about that? So first thing I'd like to say is that I personally could could've done a better job and should have done a better job at that press conference explaining what the data show regarding convalescent plasma and it's probably somewhere in the middle, which is still probably at the end of the day. Good thing if there's a treatment, the bad thing I suppose his critics have said the more you of Oscillate between these, it's great. It's not great. The less trust people actually having the FDA is the problem eight last question for you. Then you know you'd mentioned flu season seems so far away a few months ago. It's here now like next week's going to be September where are we on flu season and will that make everything we've seen worse? Well, no one has a crystal ball Brad. So no one knows what the flu is going to look like in the United States this season. Doctors, say the concern, a possible twin democ underscores the need for people to get the flu vaccine but we do have some clues and there are some things we do know. The flu is unpredictable every year number two we know we have a flu vaccine. While it's not the most perfect vaccine, it certainly is better than nothing. Damage will be done, but the virus is going to have I'm again November December January usually when we see our highest numbers best when we want the protection the but there is some reason for some optimism here cautious optimism data that we're getting from the Southern Hemisphere tends to suggest that there's been a dramatic reduction in cases of influenza this year largely because of all the measures were taken to try to reduce the chances of covid nineteen. We all transmitting it via coughing on each other no one's on each other. That's right. So this may be a silver lining in this whole saga but again, the very same things that can help us reduce the chance of covid nineteen also likely to reduce the chances of getting influenza except that we have a flu vaccine, Dr Jennifer Ashton, clear eyed through all this somehow thanks so much. Dr, you Bet Brad. And we'll last thing yesterday the biggest river in the Cleveland Metro area lit on fire. This was the Cuyahoga River where a fuel tanker crashed on an Akron highway the oil leak through some storm drains. Next thing you know flames have raced down across the top of the water. What makes us notable though is this is not the first time. The Cuyahoga River has been on fire. In fact, it's at least the fourteenth bubbling with sub-surface gases it uses rather than flow. Anyone who falls into the Cuyahoga does not drown Jeevan citizens joke grimly decayed back in the nineteen fifties and sixties this was happening on the regular in the Cleveland area. There were that many chemicals lining the water which was extra distressing since the river feeds right in the lake. Erie lots of people drink out of that and nineteen, sixty, nine, another fire and Koga a relative unknown became an overnight sensation. Sixty nine environmental activists were really gaining attention a spark flew off a train and lit up an oil slick that was seized on as the latest example of a much bigger problem that quickly led to the creation of the clean water act and the Environmental Protection Agency. That was the thirteenth documented Cuyahoga River fire. Yesterday's was the fourteenth. The pictures were stunning and thankfully now unusual. On, down to Cleveland town, ever want to continue to have the latest from the RMC each night on ABC News, dot. com. Or the APP shoutout to our podcast at five thirty eight and powerhouse politics, which features today the veteran gop focus group or frank leads. I'm Brad Milkey Zita Marvel.

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04:39 min | 9 months ago

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"Live from NPR news I'm. Lakshmi Singh the Democratic Party's presumptive presidential nominee Joe. Biden is launching its first general election TV AD in the traditionally republican state, the Texas and Peers Osma Hollywood reports recent polls show and unexpectedly tight race there. This new AD is part of a six figure multi-state, add by that deals with the rising number of covid nineteen cases in the country. Every single American. Sick? If you're struggling. Worried about how you through the day. I will not abandon you all this together Texas has felt politically volatile in recent weeks as the pandemic has spread, Republicans have long depended on the state to win the White House. But a recent Dallas Morning News survey found Biden leading by five points us. McAuliffe NPR news the Biden campaigns also attempting to get corporate America to commit more strongly to addressing climate change under his plan, Biden envision zero emission, electric vehicles, and the construction of more energy, efficient homes, including public housing units but Republican Congressman Steve. SCALISE warns. Biden's plan will spare the. The wealthiest Americans at the expense of everyone else. We've been very active in the production of energy. We have hundreds of thousands of jobs over two hundred fifty thousand jobs would be lost under Joe Biden's green new deal. Energy plan are you would see higher energy cost, congressman, scalise and press call. That was held by the trump campaign, meanwhile, the legislative fight over Fifth Corona Virus Relief Bill is playing out on Capitol Hill House Speaker Nancy Pelosi till CNN. She would absolutely be willing to forgo the August recess to make the package happen. This is a path to opening economy and opening our schools. For some reason, the president has resisted that, but this is an absolute. Must Her Republican critics say? Congress should give earlier relief bills time to work before considering a new one, the York's Governor says out of state visitors from Minnesota New Mexico Ohio and Wisconsin should quarantine for fourteen days to help stop the spread of Corona virus. NPR's Hansie long reports New York State is also requiring travelers from certain states who flied airports to show proof that they've completed forms with their contact, information and travel plans. Twenty two states with rising numbers of people testing positive for the coronavirus or now under New York state's travel advisory near Governor Andrew Cuomo says visitors who fly into new. York airports will be greeted by police officers who helped check if travelers from the restricted states have fill out a form on paper or online, those who do not fill out a form. Form could face a two thousand dollar fine and be required to attend a hearing, but it's not clear how New York is making sure every traveler under the travel advisory actually quarantines for fourteen days after landing a spokesperson for the governor tells NPR that it's up to local health departments to follow up on MTR. News New York. You're listening to NPR news. A monsoon in Bangladesh may have Maroon more than a million people SUSHMITA potluck reports on a second wave of floods this season. Heavy rains along with water, rushing from upstream India are causing rivers in Bangladesh to overflow. Almost all major rivers have recorded a rise in water levels over the past twenty four hours. People are fleeing to higher ground, but rising over nineteen cases are complicating rescue efforts. Bangladesh has two hundred thousand conformed coronavirus infection so far sushmita paddock, reporting more than week of heavy rainfall across much of Japan is responsible for floods and mudslides and loss of life separately. Bad weather at the launch site in Japan has forced a delay in the launch of the United. Arab Emirates I ever mission to Mars. We have more on that from NPR's Joe Palca. The UAE's Mars mission is called hope. It's scheduled to arrive at Mars next year coinciding with the Fiftieth Anniversary of the founding of the U. E. E.. At the Red Planet the probe will go into orbit it. Scientific instruments are designed to study all levels of the thin Martian atmosphere. It's being launched aboard Mitsubishi. A rocket from ton Gosh Ima Space Center, in Japan the launch has been rescheduled for Friday morning. Local time in Japan Joe PALCA NPR news. The Dow Jones Industrial Average is up one point, four percent or three hundred seventy nine points at twenty, six, thousand, four, hundred, sixty, four, the Nasdaq is down slightly at ten, thousand, three, seventy six S and P's up sixteen points or more than half a percent. This is NPR news.

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The Media's Coverage Of The Impeachment Hearings Continues to Be Absurd; Thanksgiving Is Not 'PC' Enough For American Universities

Bill O'Reilly's Free Podcast

11:36 min | 1 year ago

The Media's Coverage Of The Impeachment Hearings Continues to Be Absurd; Thanksgiving Is Not 'PC' Enough For American Universities

"Welcome to the no Spin News Monday. November eighteenth two thousand nineteen fight for your freedom so not a lot of breaking news today but but a lot of important things going on and we'll run down in our usual no spin style poll from ABC says only twenty one percent of of Americans are following the impeachment thing very closely twenty one percent. That's it if you don't follow it closely or somewhat some water this and then you're a captive of newspaper and click bait headlines so really know what's going on you really have to watch it it's It's as they say confusing and it's complicated. I wrote a com out on bill. O'Reilly DOT COM posted today. I think you'll enjoy it kind of like taking a little fun poking fun at the impeachment thing. I think it's funnier than the Saturday Saturday night. Live Open on this past weekend but let me know so only twenty one percent are really locked in ratings or a disaster twelve thirteen million. The people you know networks covering it if you divvy it up. It's nobody remembers three hundred and thirty million people country and those ratings cow on tape tape it not just live to nobody watching it because two reasons it's boring and there A lot of people say look we know the fixes scam. Okay now have played three soundbites from the Sunday shows just to give you a little bit of perspective on how this is being portrayed by the Pundit class who I love that I guess I want to a member of the pundit class are the first one is on meet the press go the testimony was compelling for anybody buddy watching closely. The people testified where people have stature and accomplishment what they said was believable brick by brick. They made a case backing the charge. That the president muscled an ally up Together political gift that he wanted now that woman. Peggy Noonan used to write speeches ages for Ronald Reagan. She hates trump and she's a witch hunter that wasn't made clear here by NBC News. She hates him. Donald Trump now as far as her contention that these these were people have stature and accomplishment that may be true become a US ambassador. If you're some dunderheads but one thing they all had in common was they. They don't like trump. Are we getting kind of getting a picture here. So Peggy Noonan. I wouldn't object to what she said if she had been identified. went to fight but Republican. Peggy Noonan I if you read her stuff at a Wall Street Journal dripping with loathing issue all right second one is CNN state of the Union. Go drive no idea whether it affected her testimony if she says she found it intimidating. Is it not possible that that she held back or shaded her answers because she didn't want to upset the most powerful person in the universe. Any further is that not possible but well I think you overstay Donald Trump powers. Hopefully and how absurd is this. He's talking about the ambassador. The former ambassador who trump fired who hates trump mm-hmm well because trump tweeted bad things about her. She may be intimidated. She volunteers to go in to testify. Friendships Friendships Committee to rip him up but once he replies this tapper another trump hater dripping with loathing. WHOA she might be a little intimidated that he tweeted? It's uh he. I mean this is third grade stuff. Find a one on Fox News Sunday go. The law required that before any tax payer money go to Ukraine. The president had to ensure that they're rooting out corruption. which ultimately they did but the money was released in any got the he got the money needed? Now that's congressman scalise who Republican that is the strongest argument. The Donald Trump did not do anything wrong right there. Twelve seconds in order to give. US foreign aid there can be no accusations of corruption that they have to be a vetted. You are listening to a free excerpt from bill. O'Reilly Dot Com. No Spin News broadcasts where you can actually see me. We'll be right back after this message. What would you do if you knew there was a place to learn? step-by-step strategies designed to help you make make the right moves in the financial markets to develop skills that can help you generate income and bill confidence toward your retirement goals at online line trading academy. We know there's an investor in all of us and we know how to teach people like you the skills and knowledge that could empower you. Do you take better control of your financial future so you can spend less time worrying about live and more time living. It saw breathtaking free intro class. The location near you learn about the biggest mistakes investors make and how you can learn to avoid them plus strategies that can help you make your money. You Work Harder for more than twenty years. Online trading academy has been teaching skills designed to help you learn to invest with the confidence the professional so sign up for a free three hour introductory class at an auto ta trade dot com slash. Bill that's not a trade dot com slash. Bill that's a free class in your area registered. OTA TRADE DOT com slash. Bill received their professional professional insiders Kit for attending OTA TRADE DOT COM Slash Bill Indiana University in Pennsylvania Rain Not Indiana University in Indiana. They are celebrating Thanksgiving by D. colonizing the holiday holiday and eating de colonial indigenous cuisine. Wow no Turkey. Indigenous Genesis cuisine. Quite sure what that is. But I'm sure it's politically correct and virtuous so these loopy students didn't they say they WANNA focus on common values generosity gratitude community and good food rather than harmful themes of pilgrims and Indians. All right so you want decolonize. Well here's how stupid this is and Indiana University. Take no number. Why there was no colonization colonisation of America because there was no country there were Indian tribes here and they were scattered throughout the land mass but there was no unification bit was a bunch of tribes? Set did what they WanNa do and anybody could come. The conquistadors came. The Vikings came really early And then the Europeans and they came because they were all UH in Europe fleeing persecution losing any colonizing it was called colonies because what of what are the naming them but if they weren't like taking another country and running it wasn't another country so in Massachusetts the the original settlers of which my maternal ancestor came on the third boat after the mayflower barrier early. They got pretty. You're wealthy Indians. kind of traded stuff and the Indians helped him with the little harvest. And I don't know where the Turkeys came running all over the place place. Oh but away with loss strife and in Virginia and James Tana beginning They got along but then stuff tough one south. That always happens but the students up there. They don't they don't tell me. What indigenous food is? I'm sorry there is a list here sir. Thanksgiving meal corn beans squash tomatoes potatoes. Peanuts Chili Peppers Chili peppers. Chocolate and Vanilla. That's the indigenous food. I don't think I'm going to be going there. You are listening to a free expert excerpt from Bill O'Reilly Dot Com. No Spin News broadcasts where you can actually see me. We'll be right back after this message and now the final thought of the day so I had a great time as you know a few weeks ago where in Boston with the understanding trump tour. Boston my second home and For some reason people like me. They're in New England so I decided I get away from Boston. And they went out to the Palm Desert Area Palm Springs Palm Desert Indian Wells and it was a blast sold out crowd great time and then hopped on a night flight right into into the valley and son Phoenix for the show and Mesa which we live streamed Big Tune in for it. But you can see it if you missed it. If you're a premium concierge remember we have it for you nobody else would. Premium concierge. Members could see so you pop it up. I think you'll be engaged now. The reason is important. Meeting thing is because I want to know what you are thinking and in the understanding trump show we do acuna the audience who do the cards. All right and I learned a lot and we do a good thirty five. Forty minutes Aq- An and we're going to do that. We have one more show left this year in Huntington Long Island the home team. I think it sold out but you can check it. Maybe the way you win. It's going to be a blast. They got all kinds of surprise that show but I like to know and you know everybody knows me which is both good and bad and people stopped me and engage and talk about the United States trump and and all of that and I like to know what they think of the book and why they liked it or didn't like it not too many didn't likes you know I'm six four and I don't look like I'm GonNa that'd be a real receptive to insult so I don't get a lot of that. United States should trump still doing really really well great Christmas and Hanukkah gift. You want what. I'm saying it'd be able to do that if I if you order you. Get an impeach the media bumper sticker absolutely free of charge. We also have a few historians. This paperback act killing a rising sun when my favorites because my dad is in this right. That's in paper stocking stuffer and all kinds of stuff so anyway the weekend got a lot of air travel you know a lot of to cross countries in three days. But it's worth to see you tomorrow.

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Bob Lonsberry Show 06-18-20 Hr 4

Bob Lonsberry

21:46 min | 10 months ago

Bob Lonsberry Show 06-18-20 Hr 4

"Sunny in seventy, eight, I'm Tom Halloway Newsradio wamble of eighty next news at eleven thirty breaking news when it happens anytime another hour with Bob Lansbury starts now on newsradio WAM, eliminating. Appreciate that good morning, my friend, thank you so much for tuning in flatow Beautiful Day for a radio program eighty degrees. All My guys they've. We're GONNA sweat today kids I hear. It's good for you right to be joined by a young lady from Williamson Anti Alexander Morning Ma'am welcome to the broadcast. Thank you, how are you today? I'm great. Thanks more more more to point our you today. Well my leg, a little poor well more than a little. They're really sore but I'm glad I finished and they got all twenty miles done. We'll tell us what you did in why your legs ache, please. So Two days ago. I started my twenty six mile. journey I ran a mile every hour for twenty six hours, and I started at four o'clock. and then I ran all through the night and finished yesterday at six o'clock. So. Yes. Great and started Tuesday noon started Tuesday afternoon finished Wednesday evening. And Yeah and you're. You're seventeen, right? I'm seventeen. Well the. How did it go were there? Did it become unpleasant after time. Did you ever think about quitting? What was it like? the beginning was pretty easy it was just a mind over matter type thing to keep going. Then it started to get physically painful and The nighttime is a little. not creepy little. I was a little jumpy running around the black so I just started running in my driveway managed to get those miles, darn. And then during the day it was fine yesterday, but the last couple miles. Those are probably the hardest, but you just had to go through and I shall you. They're also the issue of fatigue. You not only have run twenty six miles over this. Day You also. You've not slept hardly at all. Yeah Every mile kept getting harder and harder. teague, wise and I was a little cranky. But I would try to take a little nap in between sometimes, but it only be for like twenty minutes ten minutes, and once I finished. I came just like crashed. So. Why did you do it? I did it because I. Just I love doing challenges in challenging myself and a variety of ways and I saw this and thought it was perfect. 'cause they had two days off of work, so I could just do it then and I started it and then had to finish it. What did you learn from it, you think. I guess it really just taught me. persistence and determination, and on bettered my understanding of never quitting or giving up even if it gets difficult. Him In. Any Alexander's Seventeen. She lives out Williamson senior in high school this year coming up and she said a goal to run a mile each hour for twenty six hours straight. attest body, and and mind you you and your dad. Tell us about the canoe race. You guys did please. We also did a ninety mile canoe. Race a couple of years ago up in that that was. An adventure What you did you start at old forge, and you would paddle around the lakes up in the adirondacks and it was ninety miles. And a three day race and that also was a very Very physical and mine Jr.. race that drew a lot out of you, but we also seeing that one and just little things like this. Just build your confidence and. More self esteem and help you be able to conquer anything in life. When the next difficulty comes, you know that you can, you can handle difficulty and succeed What's the most important easier? He's been speaking of seventeen year old anti. Alexander of Williamson up in Wayne County. What's the most important thing in life? definitely Jesus and your relationship with the Lord but also just making sure that you live life to the fullest, and you take advantage of years. You have done on this earth and don't waste it. Amen well, said Andy I'm so proud of you. Thank you, congratulations on this and best of luck in the new school year. Thanks for speaking with US Ma'am I really appreciate it. Thank you for having me back mets Andy Alexander and by the way she let me come out yesterday, Iran Mile Twenty, two, her an extraordinary extraordinary family very quickly The decision by the Rochester City School Board. And consequently the city administration not to have armed police officers in schools. Let me just say I recognize that represents the feelings of at least some in the community, but it is foolish and dangerous, and it will expose young people it to danger. The police are in schools not to catch. You know Johnny, and Suzy, for doing whatever bad thing they're doing, but to protect johnny and Susie and everybody else in there from the sort of things that could go wrong when you simultaneously campaign to take metal detectors out of school, and to take police officers out of school, and you do this in the context of a community where. On twitter I came, remember which part of the Rochester Police Department is, but every time they confiscate an illegal gun from somebody. They post a picture of an on twitter. It's a wonderful forceful visual representation of the great work they do, but of the reality of people walking around with illegal guns, illegally a overwhelmingly to engage in criminal activity. If you think that those gone, somehow can't migrate into the school building to create who knows what sort of havoc you're nuts. If you can take a gun off a sixteen year old or a fifteen year old on the street. What makes you think that should that fifteen or sixteen year old? Be going to school that that gun doesn't go with him. And what you've just done in your grand pronouncement of look, we've gotten a cop out of the schools. Is You just told those who need to be afraid of the cops that they don't need to be afraid in the schools that they can control those schools now and that endangers. Foolish policy I understand where it comes from Blah Blah, but there's a point we need to step back and say hold on. Let's not cut our nose off. To spite our face more significantly. Let's not endanger our children to kiss behind on some politics back with you a moment on Newsradio wham eleven eighty. Welcome back welcome back. You've heard report the news that those two accused rioters facing one guy, nine felonies and the other guy, three felonies member cowboy hat guy who's bashed in the window of the police cruiser that Wonderful Jamie, germont photo from the Democrat and Chronicle Helped a flip over a police car set them on fire allegedly. Andrew and Gary, Fitzsimmons there two names they fugitive from justice sought to a void captured by going to Pennsylvania. They were apprehended and in Pennsylvania given the charges they faced. They were held on one hundred thousand dollars bail. They have been returned to New York and they have been released from custody without bail. When Democrats are in charge, stupid things happen. Thank you Andy Cuomo. This is the so-called bail reform. The Democrat control of the new. York, state legislature brought you. BELL THE COWBOY! Hat Fellow has nine felony charges. Mr Fitzsimons faces three felony charges. None of those felonies however qualify for bail under the New York, Democrats scheme or scam for criminal justice that means these people who fled the area. Right they to avoid prosecution detection. They fled not just the area, but the state. The State of Pennsylvania thought that they were about one hundred thousand dollars, a dangerous and put that is the bail up here because the political system is controlled by a political party which is committed to advancing the interests of criminals. And astoundingly it seems to debasing the interests of potential victims. Because our politics, Democrat dominated by the Democratic Party. There is no bail for these people. This is a again. It cowboy hat man I. Think most of us have seen him attacking public property. Rolling over vehicle set him on fire, and we'll go through Schmeer again, but nine felony charges and he walks. Now bail is meant to return people to court. Both, these men have an immediate history of flight. They just as fugitives left the state. And the people who we what we do, we sent down a task force in the United States Marshall Service Right. It went down to Pennsylvania located and apprehended these people and brought them back and this. This is where it gets smart. This is where the deep thinkers in the democratic. Party kick in and do their magic word right again. These people as fugitives fled state. We had to get a special task force. The United States Marshall Service people to track them down and capture them in another state to bring them back here so that New York Democrats could turn them loose. Right. Listen. Here's the deal a at least we'll know where in Pennsylvania to go looking for him next time. This is insane. This is insane is a and I would say is Pennsylvania, which sought to impose a hundred thousand dollars bail on. These people is Pennsylvania some sort of oppression area. Are they cruel or they nasty? They monsters that they didn't turn these two fellows loose. You have poor the history of flight to avoid prosecution. With a total of twelve felonies between them, and they can't even be held under the rules at the Democrats have. Right. Hey No. Keep voting the way you vote. No, that's great and you know what why we fund. The police do that's a great idea, yeah! It's it's a long last. criminals have their own party. Sweet treat. That's gotta be Alexis. Newscast is next. We'll be back after that with Congressman Tom Reed on newsradio wham eleven eighty. Back friends welcome back right to be joined by congressman. Tom Reads circuit morning. Welcome to the broadcast. Good Morning Bob to you. Appreciate your time and your service, you congressman, scalise Av- called for something. This morning. What's up, please? Yes Oh Stephen I. The whip joined together on this nursing home crisis, and the and demanding accountability and justice for the sixty three hundred New Yorker grandparents that died 'cause Komo's order sentencing to death when he said that with the their corona virus positive condition that the nursing home had to take them. I couldn't even test them from a nursing home perspective to see if they had the virus or not, and that has led to tens of thousands of deaths across the country. Country has four other governors. did the same thing in regards to New Jersey and some other states that really put our senior citizens at risk during the COVID, nineteen crisis, and those those lives meet the need to have accountability. Astoundingly Seems Governor Cuomo actually seeded the nursing homes. I, if you will with with this virus in now, when asked about it is at his press conference, he says Oh. No, we just followed. CDC guidelines. What? What's the response to that? Please sir. The best responses, but the independent fact checkers found a little fact and others that that's a lie that that is a false statement by the governor in response to this, and it's all about his cover up. It's all about him. Deflecting and just being a show horse in regards to press conferences, but not really caring about the people that are subject to this death order that he imposed back in March. Is, not the whole Hoarser, he's just a part of it if I may interject some commentary. Who Do. You want to investigate this? Who? Whose job would that be pleased sir? Well, you know we're working through the folks at the federal level and this select committee now that Steve Scalise had enough on the Republican side with Jim Clyburn on the democratic side, so this investigation. Is this like we're not GONNA? Stop till we get to the answers and I tell you it's. It's not just about accountability though Bob. It's about when if and when this virus comes back in the fall, we can never go down this. This path again and we gotta make sure nursing homes are protected and that we are treating our seniors with the best care possible. Keep them safe and sound at the virus continues to go forward is being a congressman Tom Reed who with Steve, scalise call today for an investigation of the fact that so many people got covert in nursing homes, maybe most particularly in new. York state we this committee, will it? Will it have hearing sir? It will and Steve is doing great work and Dot Jim Clyburn who was an honorable man Democratic leader I. Think is going to have to answer. These questions in this committee was a select committee put together by the Speaker of the House and its job is to investigate these issues, and this is an issue that I know scalise says not gonNA. Let go I'm not GonNa let go, we've been on this for. For Ninety days from day one of the crisis, so it's it's about protecting our seniors going forward, but also for those families to be able to give them answers and say this is why your mother your father died, and that we're GonNa, make sure it never happens to another mother or father again. Clyburn scalise both historic figures. Is it a? Is it possible that say governor Cuomo would be called before this committee. That's in the works. I know Steve has issued letters of in demanding documents and It's his intention to call the governor as a witness in front of the committee, so let's see and not just governor Cuomo these other governors that did the same thing especially in New Jersey. That is clearly where the virus took. Hold and a lot of this has to do as you pointed out nursing homes being seated with the virus. Because of these orders Congressman Tom Reed. I forgive my ignorance of how it works, but can members of the minority party call witnesses, or is that just the the majority party? Is the majority party but hopefully guys like Jim Clyburn who are honorable folks will honor the commitment of these deaths and these entities families to get into the bottom of it, and so we'll have to wait and see, but I've also talked to the head of Medicaid and Medicare Seema Verma. Who is at the heart of this with her and I talk, and obviously they don't control the Nursing Home fetched on at the state level, but a lot of money goes through Medicare Medicaid to our nursing. Nursing home facilities so asking her to use the power of that money to uncover the facts that happened here amateur again. We learn from this, so it never happens again. Speaking to Tom Reid Congressman of course yesterday asked about this governor Cuomo says you know we found the CDC, and then he said the the criticisms I hear out of this or just coming from Republicans creating the sense that this is all some kind of a political data against him because he's Andy, Cuomo which response to that please Sir. That's appalling and and just part of the cover up in its deflect. Blame the Republicans blamed president trump I i. guess that's the Mo today, but I will tell you when you're talking. Six thousand of our mothers and fathers grandparents had died You don't have to do that. I people see right through what we're going to do is demand justice, but we're also going to say to the governor. You should be planning. Now are on the clock in New York state to make sure that. That we have the best policies. The best resources we replenish the stockpile. We have designated facilities to take Kobe nineteen positive senior citizen. Give them the best care isolate them from their college and residents in the nursing home, and then when their disease, then they return back to safe and sound environment going forward, because as you mentioned earlier it, it certainly could come back in the fall. That possibility exists need to be prepared. You got it and that's. Why am time we live this remember. Coming was putting on written notice that they issued disorder. This death sentence for the ten thousand plus seniors that are ultimately going to be accounted for I was told this will kill people, and so what we should do is, we should be laying the groundwork now so that the facilities are there resources. Are there the staff or their? The testing protocols are in place because the seniors of tomorrow that are going. Going to potentially die need to be protected and the only way you protect by doing the work right now. Don't be a show horse. Be a work speaking the congressman Tom Reed different subject it a little bit of council for us. We we for three or four weeks. There's been much tumult in the country very important issue that notion of racial equity before law, and at the hands of Law Enforcement Officers Jeff, thought or perspective or context or path forward for this pleaser. I do I I really do appreciate president. Trump's executive order trying to go after the bad actors reward best practices when it comes to law enforcement and making sure that the the best officers are stood with as we go forward, and the bad actors are held to account, but we also have an opportunity to do something legislatively. I think the best chance out of the Senate a bipartisan package. We're working on behind the scenes. That could be put in place but I will tell you. We have to understand this. Is this thing everybody Democrats? Republicans law enforcement all colors of America coming together that. If we put together, we'll be longstanding reforms that will move the needle forward and protect people as well as recognized that the vast majority of law enforcement are good, honorable men and women speaking Tom Reid as a general concept. de-fund the police what he think, please Sir. It's, it's terrible. It's extremism you know defending. The police is becoming a democratic platform I know. My opponent supports doing this and taking away the resources in regards to. The law enforcement when it comes to equipment in dollars, we should be used in dollars to reward best practices, and then you system matic reforms now when it comes to bad actors, you know that's one of the things I think you can find some common ground on make sure that a bad actor can't bounce around departments department without hiring authority knowing. That history and making it easier to investigate that hiring practice subject to public and put our. Family, at risk. About where they'd be used by the bad guys to go after him, but you could make sure. The hiring authorities have accent information so that they don't. Have this kind of clandestine operation occurring from the bad actors something around these female congressman. Tom Rita last question a you know a lot of. Chatter about the John. Bolton look any thoughts on that. Please sir. You know I think this is more of the DC. Inside Beltway Intrigue Now may I think. Obviously John Bolton got Handsomely rewarded for this book, but at the end of the day you know I, think the American people are getting sick and tired of kind of this anti-trump type of a tack, and they want people to work together to solve problems, and that's what I'm all about, and that's what I'm going. Continue to do. Okay, the other last questions being a congressman Tom. Reed China Getting Huffy and Hong. Hong Kong even getting huffy about Taiwan and now we have North Korea putting a few trip. Troops into the DMZ looks like blew up that little liaison building it one one fears. If America's distracted by internal difficulties, right now are some of our opponents around the world, trying to take advantage of that or what we think about these sort of provocative measures by those two nations are. A history lesson we can never forget when America's divided That's when our opponents our adversaries. Tried to seize the opportunity to advance their agenda, and that is why we need to make sure that we're always standing together united in our. We have our disputes. We have our family squabbles in America, but it can never distract us in deflect us from doing what's necessary to stand up to those that want to do harm and the adversaries that exists out there king and day out Amen Khartum read thanks for your service and thanks for talking today. Sir I appreciate it. Great to be with you about. Things about you take care. That's Congressman Tom Reed out of the southern tier back in a moment, listeners on the to eleven eighty the number on newsradio. WHAM eleven eighty. Friends I. Apologize. Time has been a little tight so I've gotta run Get off the air semi mail. You get a chance Bob at Lonzo buried dot. Com God, bless you. Keep Your Chin Up. God bless the United. States of America news is next than you and I will be back tomorrow morning eight till noon round out the week on Newsradio, Ham eleven eight.

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Wednesday, July 22: Rep. Karen Bass

The View

37:24 min | 9 months ago

Wednesday, July 22: Rep. Karen Bass

"Subscribe to our podcast to get hot topics delivered every afternoon, and while you're at it, rate, US and Labor Review. Brain. Do Views Darts live right now? Briefings are back the President returns to the MIC with a wakeup call about corona virus in America. It will probably unfortunately get worse before it gets better. Wear a mask a mask. Whether you like the mask or not. They have an impact startling message for the woman accused of Masterminding Jeffrey Epstein's alleged child sex trafficking crimes i. just wish you well frankly. Sexual Politics Congresswoman Alexandria Cossio Cortes is allegedly verbally assaulted by GOP congressman on the steps of the Capitol. This scene, Day Republican congresswoman Liz Cheney is attacked by her male colleagues inside. Does this expose disturbing double standard that still exists in DC. Plus. Is this the woman who sharing it ticket with Joe? Biden California congresswoman and chair of the Congressional Black Caucus Karen Bass is live on the view to talk about rumors. She's on the shortlist for VP. Here come hot topics. With whoopie, joy, Behar sunny hostile. And Meghan McCain. Now! Let's get things started. Hello and welcome to the view so yesterday. Who got back in front of the cameras for the return of the White House press briefing where he appeared, he appeared to pivot on how America is handling ten them. Take up, it will probably. Get worse before it gets better something I. Don't like saying about things, but that's the way it is, and we're asking everybody that. When you are not able to socially distance. Wear a mask. Get a mask. Whether you like the mask or not they have an impact. If you watch American television, you'd think that the United States was the only country involved with and suffering from the China virus. Well, the is suffering very badly. Okay aside from saying nonsense like that. He did finally send to acknowledge that it is going to get worse before it gets better and he's telling people to wear masks and. Does anybody. Gather any hope from this, or is this just as a smokescreen? What do you think is happening here sunny? Well, I could jump in here I've. If it's if it's going to get worse before it gets better which he finally has acknowledged. then. Why is he prepared to send our children to school? That's what I'd like to know from him. and also. Where was Dr Burks where was fouled? CI Yesterday. You know trump considers himself an expert. I consider my dog who knows more about the corona virus. Then trump does so. We need to have Dr who was hiding. Oh, she's back in the thing. They're keeping her in the closet. Afraid to that, she'll come out so That's what I want to know that's. That's what I wanted to know. If it's going to get worse than you finally admitted, you finally put the mask on, and then he says eventually disappeared. Yeah, how many people have designed when eventually it will disappear? Then why of the children going back to school? I like to push this because I really think that think it's very dangerous what they're doing. Sunny what what I give you? The same question isn't a smokescreen, is he? Learning anything. What is this in your opinion? For me, it was too little too late. I mean we have almost one hundred and fifty thousand Americans that have died I agree with joy. If it's going to get worse before it gets better, we are a month away from children going back to school. We know that in many states like Florida. The governors are saying you know full steam ahead. Children are going back to school, and we also know that this president has said that he is cutting funding for those schools that are refusing to. Open and instead of maybe flooding those schools with money so that schools can open safely with the proper precautions, and so for me. I was dismayed at the fact that there were no experts standing alongside him like Dr Fao G. Who I believe is the leading expert in the country on this. So why wasn't he there? I want to listen to the scientists. I want to listen to the experts I. Don't WanNa, listen to the president because again. He's been peddling so much misinformation I just don't trust him, and if you look at the polls, most Americans don't trust him when it comes to his handling of the corona virus, and they don't trust the formation that he's been giving the country. Right, so, Megan, what is your take on the briefing? Yesterday's smokescreen is just something some something to be gleaned from this. Yeah, Sunny said that his poll numbers in regards to handling the coronavirus or really staggering it averages around twenty points the American public thinks that Joe Biden would be better at handling this pandemic them president. Trump has i. do think this is. is sort of a last ditch effort given that he sees how unpopular has handling has been I, actually thought I watched it I. Actually thought it was really good and informative up until the point, and excuse me for butchering her name that Epstein Pervert Lady. Gasoline I. Don't know how to say your name up until he said an answer that he thought she. She was like he wished her well. She's a good person. This sex trafficking lady. Why are you again? It completely blew up any conversation. We're having about the coronavirus any movement we're talking about when you know him. Talking about how things are going to get worse before they get better Lasorda, seeming to listen to scientists and talk about mass and away we've never. Never heard, but this is my constant problem with him in this administration. Is that even when he tries? He steps on his messaging, so agreed Asli that was the only thing I was talking about afterward. Was this weird comment about this woman who's accused of being a pedophile sex trang sex trafficking person with Jeffrey Epstein and I'm sorry I can't pronounce her name. Glenn Maximum. Maxwell right you. It took him yeah. To. Sent his best wishes. To to John Lewis and this woman is sending his wishes who are apparently he says I wish you well her well to other of convicted felons. To manafort, he said it to Roger Stone and now he's saying the to this alleged sacks sex trafficker. That's who he talks to and a lot of was saying he's signaling something I. Don't know I mean maybe this to that point I'm not a conspiracy theorist by nature, but what what is going on that you have something nice to say about this person who's being accused of the some. Some of the most egregious crimes, a human being can be accused of and there's a lot of conspiracy theories with Epstein her and their power connection, and it's the first time I ever thought wait like what is your connection to her? which I always thought up until this point nothing, so it's just bizarre and again we're talking about this or I'm talking about this and not the coronavirus. San and that's what what's ought to me I, mean I. I know that I have a legal note, but you know many people are saying that that was some sort of. Tell for her. Because he does have the power to pardon, he does have the. Yes, he does have the power to pardon. Go galet Maxwell because she has been I believe she's been charged with. For Her ledge involvement with epsteins sexual abuse cases. She's being held without bail. At this point. She has pled not guilty of course, but why would the president of the United States? Wish her well? That really is year, isn't it? Yes, let me you. Something it's not it's. I, yeah, go ahead to correct thing. Yeah, because I said he waited fourteen days to comment on drama was fourteen hours I get excited and the other thing about him is, he says I. Don't know her I. Don't know anything about it. There are so many pictures of him with her. Do we have to really? Are we ever going to believe that he doesn't know about this story? That is not following the story. His pictures plastered all over the place with her could be a break also how? Can we on an alleged pedophile pervert. I hope she rots in jail. If that's accurate, it's not that hard. Does Not that hard. Apparently it is if you're good friends. We'll be right back. Still ahead failing students. The outrage over a fifteen year old black girl jailed since May for not doing her online homework. Why did a judge just rule? She still shouldn't be free. Tomorrow one an all new view. The president's needs what she says about her uncle is exclusive now. Mary Trump faces the view Friday Mitch, McConnell Senate, Challenger Amy McGrath and revenge alone is bringing down the house this we. Still Ahead Congresswoman Karen Bass on making her shortlist per Biden's BP and her plan to get Mitch McConnell to honor late. Congressman John Lewis by restoring the voting rights act. Welcome back yesterday congresswoman Liz Cheney was in the hot seat that GOP conference meeting wish she was called out for criticizing the president's covid response and for foreign policy now Matt Gaetz even suggested that she ought to step down now. Some called it a pilot, but this warning Cheney said it's a good thing. Take a look on our side of the aisle. It's a healthy. Healthy thing for us to have those kinds of debates and discussions. I'm sure we'll have more as things go along, but the fundamental point here is that we're unified and making sure that president trump is reelected in November nancy. Pelosi is no longer speaker that we take back the majority in the house, and that we ensure that we hold the majority in the Senate. Right so. I'm going to start with you signing. What do you make of this? I think that. If you were reading the articles yesterday. A lot of this was gop. Versus Cheney and people were questioning her loyalty to trump because she did come out. In Favor of Dr Fao Cheesy, she endorsed. Senator Massey's opponent during the primary. And then she withdrew that endorsement, so she was challenged ally during this gop meeting but I. Think it's more. A question of maybe Cheney is reading. The tea leaves right. She's reading the cards and she realizes that trump is probably not going to win reelection, and so people are now jockeying for position. What happens in a host trump world? World, what happens if Biden is in office? Who is now calling the shots in the Senate and I think that is, it's what what is happening here rather than. Let's say all of the GOP against Cheney because she's not supporting trump. That is not really the case, because if you look at it, she votes with trump ninety seven percent of the time. Yes, she. Was Supportive of Fao G. Yes, she was supportive. Some of the, She was. She went against trump when it came to his position on mask and things like that when it came to the coronavirus, but she's been very supportive of president trump. She voted not to impeach him. RIGHT SO MEGAN! There's more to this. You think yes, yeah, just a few corrections with Sonny. Massey as a congressman from Kentucky, and it's about power in Congress, not in the. Senate and Massey is a member of Congress coalition yet. He's a member of the Freedom Coalition, which is the more Libertarians would have fringe elements of the party, and not only to change wars, his opponent, but she gave major money to it, and then ended up having to resend. Resend it for the money back because his opponent was accused of being racist and sexist and a whole host of really disgusting things, and what's interesting about the fight yesterday is it started out bringing up this this fact, the fact that she had not only endorsed, but given money in a primary, which is highly uncouth. I think it's tacky actually and if she is aiming for congressional power, which it looks like she may go up against speaker, McCarthy and Congressman, scalise to do so going forward diverse coalition diverse coalitions, and do you know who understands that better than anybody is Nancy Pelosi, and she does it very well with the squad, and she's at very well with how diverse the Democratic Party has becoming an how far left some parts of it are going, and much like the Democratic Party the Republican Party is filled with different factions, and some of those factions are the freedom coalition I can't stand the freedom coalition I don't agree with most things they do. In most things they vote for but it. It is a family and I, actually thought she was out of line by endorsing opponent and a primary, and if you start this trend where you're going to start endorsing people during their primaries, that is not a way to lead, and she's a highly highly ambitious congresswoman I thought she was probably GONNA run for Senate turns out that she isn't and I just don't think this is a way to get power away from McCarthy or scully's and I need to say in candidness. My sister in Law's advisor to Speaker McCarthy just putting that out there. Okay Joy! Do you feel like she's being targeted here? I Don I don't know. I find it so fun to watch you know gates and Jordan those two lapdogs. Triple each other to. To show their loyalty to the king, you know. It's fascinating I here's a woman who votes ninety seven percent voted with trump, but that's not enough. The King of England needs one hundred percent. You know I mean it's. It's a joke, but I agree with everything. Everybody says especially what you said. Sonny is true I think that she and Romney I think in well. When when this king is taken down, we might be the new, Republican Party I hope so for the sake of this country that we that he loses and they do. emerge victorious I hope so. Then we'll have to priorities. We won't know until we know, and that's you know that's why we keep telling people. You gotTA. Make sure that you get out there and vote regardless of what they tell you about voting. You can still do it. It's still part of the thing that makes the country great voting. We'll be right back. Hi I'm Lauren with us. One I started assets one to raise awareness for mental health as well as to provide one hundred percent natural products that uplift the spirits as well as combing eighty. We are so excited to partner with view today to offer you at least fifty percent off of some of our most popular products, including are essential oil therapeutic, grow balls and are amazing smelling piercing hand spray. Thank you for your support. And we're back. You know yesterday congresswoman Alexandria. Cossio Cortez was confronted by Florida. Congressman Ted Yoho who reportedly called her disgusting and out of mind in claiming that. The crime increases tied to poverty and unemployment. He ended the exchange by calling her something. I can't say on TV. which he is denied calling her, but he's also apologized for the confrontation. And actually. It's the whole story is crazy. What do you think is going on here Megan? I hate this and Congressman Yoho. One of the least impressive Congress people of my generation I can't think of one notable thing. He's done in his tenure and I. Think the idea that you're going to be going around calling women blank, which can, we can't say on TV because you disagree with them or you have. A political difference is not only reductive and sexist, but I think a lot of the men that are not only in Congress, but all factions of society if you are a mentally and emotionally. Emotionally incapable of working with strong women. You shouldn't work with them I think. Ted Yoho should resign if he has such a huge problem. He's not running for reelection, so he's going to be out sooner or later, but I just thought the whole thing was disgusting and I think we all strong women as everyone knows on the show. We're called this all the time. If you have an opinion, you're strong. Your this word and I'm sick of it I am so sick of it and I disagree with. Almost everything, but she deserves everyone's respect and certainly respect her colleagues in Congress. I think women are not putting up with this. Just, not going to do it anymore. You know, and it's not putting it up with joy. This goes way beyond politics though. Tell. Tell me what I've noticed that she. Well, I noticed over the years with the that she's been in Congress that she's kind of a flashpoint for the right wing mob. They go after her for some reason. was if she's not a person, they use her as some kind of prop to go to Bang Bang. Bang at her and I think that they're realizing she's a person, not only. Is She a person? She's a very tough tough girl. She's no shrinking snowflake and she talks to people until to the American. People the way men talk, and they don't like that and I don't like that and this Yoho or Yahoo whatever his name. He needs. He needs to get his act together and I'm glad. Apologize by the way Matt gets who I referred to before. It's a lapdog. He actually took his side this time with Yo i. mean somebody somebody should take his temperature. Maybe he's not feeling well. Why he says the thing that we always want from our politicians is that. They don't have to agree on everything, but they're respectful of each other. That's what you'd expect. What's your take on this? I was pleased to see some of the solidarity surrounding Alexandria because she deserves the respect that every other. Congress person deserves and especially that she was a constant as she was entering the capital to vote for her constituents, and so I was I was pleased to at least see that but I would agree with joy. She has become this punching bag and I'm not sure why that is. Is it because she's young because she's a woman because she's a woman of color, they feel that she is more vulnerable. They feel that they can take her on in that way and the fact that she was confronted by a man on the steps of their employees. You know where they are employed. Paid for by tax payer dollars is is in my view, really remarkable should he and he apologized for it? Yes, but anyone else that did something like that at their place of employment would be censured would be reprimanded at apology would not be enough and I. Don't think in this case. It is enough I think that. Congress has to take corrective action against him a and make a statement that it is not only improper. It is behavior that should not be sanctioned and should be. I think. censured. Because of the type of position that that they hold. She's also. She's and you know if she had him. As she had need him, everybody would be up in arms. But how does she know he wasn't going ahead her? You know what I'm saying, so everybody needs to get their their selves together. Because you know you come up on and woman now she will knock you out. You don't want to mess with Liz Cheney because she can beat the benign, so all those men were talking Kratzer same with Ao. She can all in behind, so everybody should out. She's become such a lightning rod, because she is so effective, and there are people on the left is. The Socialist Wing. Who are not effective and quite frankly do themselves a disservice, but she has broad appeal across the country. I think she has obviously higher ambitions, and that's why she's such a such a threat and like I said I disagree with her on everything, but this disrespect typically I do think lauded. Two young women is ridiculous. Yeah it's crazy and we're talking about women I have to wish a happy birthday to a real an another trailblazer, really Disney legend Ruthie Thompson. Who Turns One hundred and ten today? She worked on Disney's first animated film snow. White and the seven dwarfs, and for so many other women. She paved the way for women coming through our industry, and so we want all wish are happy birthday, Ruthie, happy birthday, we will be right back. Does. California Congresswoman Karen. Bass, think this sudden rise in Cova cases mean they'll have to close down the state again. How would she respond to the president deploying federal agents in California cities? She's live on the view next. If you like getting the story behind the story checkout, start here. The Daily News podcast from ABC, News every morning start here we'll get you ready for your day with inciteful straightforward reporting on a few of the day's biggest headlines from groundbreaking investigative reports to urge revelations shaping your world recently honored with prestigious Edward R. Murrow Award. Start here takes you inside the stories that matter and where they're heading next, so start smart start. He'll check it out on apple podcasts or your favorite podcast APP. Welcome back. California Congresswoman Karen Bass is on a mission to make sure that the legacy of the late John Lewis lives on by getting the voting rights act restored before November's presidential election, which just may have her, and also her name is one of the names that could be on this ticket. We have to say thank you for coming and please welcome chair of the congressional. Black Caucus Karen Bass good morning. Thank you, thank your name today. Thanks for having me on, are you? Thank you. You and John Lewis were were colleagues and friends for many years. What's what's your favorite memory of him? Will actually taking him to an organization that I started in south central Los Angeles thirty years ago because I wanted him to meet two generations of young people that he influenced and I wanted them to tell him specifically the impact. Had had that he had had on their life, and that was a really sweet moment. I'm so glad we did that. So congresswoman upholding voting rights was John Lewis his life's work. That's the voting rights advancement. With championed has been sitting on Mitch McConnell's desk for over two hundred days. We are just three months away from the election. GonNa, just sit on it. What what can you do to make sure this bill passes? Well. It just amounts to public pressure, but you know what we're going to introduce a bill because when we did it before it was before cova now it's even more important because we're worried that a great way to suppress the vote is to make people have to their lives to go vote and you know people should be able to vote from home and so we're going to introduce that also very soon next few days. Congresswoman Bass? I have to ask this question. It is rumoured that you are on the shortlist to be considered for Joe. Biden's vice president. Is there any truth to that? Are you being vetted? And what would abide in vast ticket? Look like what do you think you would bring to? It and I really love a straight answer. I know and I'm so sorry, but you know. Refer those to the campaign I wish I could be more forthcoming. Let me just tell you that I am so concerned about the way this country has been torn apart over the last three and a half years, and we need to heal this country literally because I am worried that when President Biden is sworn in January and I don't want to. Take it for granted, but we're going to do everything to get him elected that we could be facing not only a depression, but how many more people have to die, and you know I worked in the medical field for a number of years right at the beginning of the AIDS epidemic, and so I empathize number one for all of those families that have lost relatives, but also for the hospital workers who risk their lives, and so I am willing to do whatever it takes number one to get him elected, but also to make sure that he has a successful presidency. We have so much to do in this country. Congresswoman of vice president. Biden said this week that there are four black women on his list for potential vice presidential picks I believe would be a very smart move quite frankly for Biden to choose a black woman to be his vice president given that black women have long been the backbone of the democratic. Party, yet that support has not been reflected in who is representing the constituency in the white. House I mean every single. Voting Block as and demands for representation yet when black women asked for that representation, there questioned about it and told that they're asking for too much. Your thoughts. Well absolutely I mean I would love to see that I heard that to about four women. I would love to see that, but you know at the end of the day. Who knows better who to choose to be the vice president than a former vice president, and I'm hoping that whoever he picks that they have a relationship together like we saw with Obama Biden. I think that was one of the nicest things about those eight years. It seemed to be such a camaraderie and you know that's not always the case and so somebody who will work with him as a good. Good partner and somebody who was willing to take on some of the challenges. We face you know another big challenge that we face is the divide because this president. From the time he wrote down that escalator. He has attacked every ethnic group lately. He's focusing on Asians by calling by saying that the virus was caused by China and you know there's been this whole upsurge in anti-asian violence, and so the healing that needs to take place in our country is racial healing as well. And you know I want to talk a little bit about this crazy virus, because the state of California now is experiencing a surge in the coronavirus cases Yoga city is warning. That la is on the verge of shutting down again I mean I feel like I know what happened. But what do you think happens? And how did you get back to that place? And what do you need to do to get it to a level? That is workable again. It's so sad especially when you see all these other states who are doing all the wrong things and California did the right things and we did an early we were aggressive on the state level, the county and the city level, and so what they're suspecting now is, is that maybe when we opened up? It was a little too soon. You know we also have extra problems in Los Angeles in Los Angeles County. County on any given day you were talking about over fifty thousand people that are homeless, and then you know you also can't stop people from coming into the state, so the the analysis I think is underway, but I think the current thinking. Is that maybe when we decided to open up, we did it just a little too soon so I think it's very sad that we might have to close down again. It's kind of outrageous that fifty thousand people are homeless in just that one st in this greatest country this resoundingly. But. I know, but you know. Trump has decided to bring back his Jelly Karuna. Briefing and. And I believe this is just a way for him to hold daily rallies because he can't go out there and he's afraid that he'll get the virus, so he's doing it on television. If there was not one doctor there yesterday, so these are not. Taskforces about the virus at all. It's about him, but what is, he's bringing the briefings back at all. I'm sure that a lot of people and his team have told him. It's a bad idea because they always sticks his foot in his mouth, and yet he keeps doing it. What do you think is? His. Join it for well first of all. We know that he fundamentally doesn't believe in science, but also that he just can't survive without adulation and and I know he's not going to get adulation from a briefing, but he will. Be Repeated on a particular TV network, and when they lavish on the praise I think it is so sad. You know just hurts my heart. One hundred and forty two thousand people died. You know I say that several times a day because I think it is so profound, and sometimes you know you can kind of become numb to it, but those were individuals. Those were families and and the idea that. that he doesn't seem to be capable of empathy, he is never even made reference to the people, and he's also has been willing to subject his own supporters to danger as well by wanting to hold rallies, and after every rally what happens, people get sick including his secret service, so I think he does it for adulation and I. Think he does it for Appalachian. That's going to take place in the media. On Fox afterwards throughout the day in the evening. How Sad! Well there we go, and you know what we're not letting you go. We want to come back. Because got more questions for you. Okay, right back all right. The view from home is looking a little different these days, but this is still the one place in daytime good. Morning. Senator Co Gordon thanks for having where the biggest names in news come to be her show like yours visit easier, emmy winning view. Welcome back. We're here with representative Karen Bass Sunny. Yes congresswoman you wrote the George. Floyd Justice Policing Act that was passed in the house, but is now stalled in the Senate. Senate Democrats rejected the Republican Police Reform Bill that was written by Senator Tim Scott. We've seen protests across this country for the past month. Demanding police reform what needs to be done to make sure a bill can be agreed on by both sides is passed and signed into law well most definitely. We need the Senate to act and you know that is one of two hundred. Hundred bills that is sitting on. Mitch McConnell's deaths. That's actually a bipartisan bill. It was no small matter that we had all of the Democrats vote for that bill, and frankly if it wasn't for the hundreds of thousands of people out protesting I, don't believe that would have happened, and we even got a few Republicans two days after trump tweeted and told them not to do that, so we are working to get the Senate to bring it up, but at the same time conversations are going on with. With Republicans I'll tell you I had never had an experience like that before. Where my Republican colleagues in committee when we were voting talked about everything under the Sun, but the bill, and so I took that as a positive, and they came up to me afterwards and said you know. Karen I really think we can get somewhere on this issue and I won't stop talking to people I. don't care who it is, but mainly talking to my republican colleagues to see if there's something that we can do. Do! I did I do have a relationship with a Tim. We came together before he went over to the Senate and so I want to keep the conversation going with the situation like this as you know, it can take US thirty years or thirty days to come up with a bill now. We're only going to be in session for another couple of weeks, but there is still time for the Senate to act are for Tim Scott to come up with a new bill. That would be more. Would be better for the Senate Democrats to vote on. I don't give congresswoman. We were talking earlier in the show about Congressman Yoho yelling at Congresswoman, Alexandria Cossio, Cortez and the deep sexism that is not only in politics, but still obviously permeates our culture. What do you think about that? Obviously have I'm sure have some experience with it. But why are we still living in a time when men still think that they have agency to say such things about women? Well I think they still struggle with with who we are and our positions and she's so high profile. I will tell you the second that that happened I searched her out winning talk to her. Immediately all the women gathered around her, and we demanded that there be an apology, and so I know that Yoho apologized today. We don't think that's enough. We're not finished but I want you to know that we all surrounded her immediately. As well as a number of the men I do feel bad for my republican colleagues, especially the Republican women because Megan. You know there's only a handful of them I mean. There's one hundred and ninety nine Republicans, and there's about maybe fourteen women and so I'm. I'm doing legislation right now. Bipartisan legislation on women who are pregnant and incarcerated and I went to the Republican women had a really hard time getting them to be supportive of the bill. It was easier for me to get Republican men, and so I worry about what goes on in their caucus, now broke out a little bit yesterday with with Cheney but they especially are not used to dealing with women in the democratic side. You know there's over one hundred of us, and so the democratic men in led by Pelosi, so the dynamic on the democratic side is a little different, not saying it's perfect, but it is a little different that would exist on the Republican side it right. At the end of the day, they're still men right. Still men, so we all have to deal with men so. Trump deployed federal troops to Portland the other day. Arrogant to control black lives matter protesters. And just this week he threatened to send troops to other cities like Chicago. New York Philadelphia Detroit and Oakland now some things. Some people think that maybe this is a rehearsal for him on how he'll try to disrupt the election in November. He's already explicitly said he may not be willing to to accept the results of he loses. How will feel about that? And how can we stop him from continuously sending these troops into our cities for? Only disrupting even further well, the problem that we have is that he's a lawless president. I mean we're going to have hearings about it. In several different committees, he clearly wants to be authoritarian leader but I think when it comes to the results of the election. He can try not to leave, but our system just doesn't work that way if he needs to be victimized I, have full confidence that he would be removed from that Oval Office. Well you know. Is being an exciting fall. That's all I can think. We think you represented. Him as good to see again and keep on fighting the good fight. Right back. She is the trump family member who shocking claims are rocking the White House. Mary trump is live on the view. 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I'm Meghna Talker Bardy and this is on point a new week brings preparations for a new stage in the house impeachment inquiry Congress technically on recess but house investigators have a full lineup of depositions including maybe ousted former national security security advisor John Bolton the whistle blower offers to answer written questions from House Republicans but remains anonymous much to the president's deep Chagrin plus the Democratic Democratic field for twenty twenty narrows casualties mount in Syria and popular protests continue around the world at this hour on point top reporters guide us through another big week in the news and you can join us how did the house impeachment inquiry vote last week change your thinking on the preceding so far do you think this week's depositions if any of them actually happen will clarify things are you ready for the house to open the door on public hearings join US anytime on twitter twitter facebook at one point radio or on our website on radio DOT ORG as well we'll joining us now from Washington is Darlene Super Ville White House House correspondent for the Associated Press Darlene welcome back to the point thanks for having me on also with us from Washington as well as lenders Washington correspondent for Vice News lose it's it's good to have you great to be joining thanks and Nick Schifrin joins us from Arlington Virginia Nick is PBS Newshour Foreign Affairs and defence correspondent mic. It's good to have you back as well well thanks very much and a little later this hour we will be hearing from Democratic Congressman Roger Krishnamurthy of Illinois but Darlene. Let me just first start start with you it looks like the White House of the strategy that they're putting forth is basically no cooperation no witnesses at all is that what we have set for us this week yes that would appear to be what is on tap for this week there are a number of witnesses that are scheduled to appear this week starting starting today there are two officials from the National Security National Security Council on tap for today also too from the Office of Management and budget Energy Secretary Rick Perry is expected or was invited to to appear later this week House Democrats also WanNa talk to John John Bolton who is the former national security advisor to President Donald Trump none of those officials are expected to appear in fact secretary Kerry's office I said last week that he would not participate in this John Bolton's attorney has said that he will not appear voluntarily only under if subpoenaed if ordered are to appear and the four officials who are on tap today are not expected to appear and one of those officials is the NFC attorney who some some of the officials who have already testified approached with their concerns about the July twenty fifth telephone conversation that President Trump had with the leader of Ukraine And the White House has already you know weeks ago laid out that they will not cooperate with this process deeming it on fair saying that the president is doesn't have any to process so and so forth and and that is what what what you will see again this week we'll lose lenders darling pointing out John Eisenberg that's the White House legal adviser she was talking about who Lieutenant Colonel Alexander Vitamin is is is said to have a testified that Eisenberg told him just to sort of underscored Darlene said not to talk about his concerns about that phone call he's almost certainly certainly not going to to appear as summoned I mean what what are the implications of of of that and and the complete stonewalling that we see here from the White House right well it completely breaks with precedent and I think that we keep seeing this over and over in many ways with this White House but they're refusing to cooperate and and this says not happened before in the past even Nixon and during Clinton years during those impeachment proceedings there were tons of documents turnover dover and chiefs of staff who testified so yes this is a complete stonewalling that this White House has taken but I will say that when you talk to Democrats rats on the hill they feel like even if these people do not come forward this week this se lawyer Robert Blair some of these people who are defying subpoenas they still feel that their case is being made to the public there are these opening testimonies that have become public we saw that from Bill Taylor and also from Finland as well and Democrats that that I've been talking to on the hill thank you know even if these other White House officials and NFC officials refused to come testify their case is still being built and they're still gathering the evidence that they think they need to impeach impeach the president Well Nick Schifrin we see from a House Republicans this continuing assertion or insistence that this is so far I've been in a non-transparent process I mean a House Minority Leader Kevin McCarthy just this morning was was on twitter saying quote Democrats voted for an impeachment inquiry that they claim would provide transparency and due process but they're right back at it behind closed doors in the Ba- behind closed doors in the basement of the capital now I mean technically there are Republicans on these committees who can attend all of these depositions but what do you make of this continuing insist by House Republicans at the process is not transparent why think they've found a couple of arguments that they feel fit and work well with their base and the president is this is largely supportive of that or behind some of those messaging you know it started as well this is only second hand information the problem is that that lieutenant colonel of inman as was mentioned before had had firsthand accounts and they said well no pressure was applied on Ukraine but then they released a a partial transcript and obviously the president did apply a little pressure on Ukraine then they said well aid was delayed but not for Biden every step of the way they've they've created rated message thrown against the wall and it's Kinda fallen off until they hit this process argument and this is the one that has hit most consistently that this is behind closed doors now what stopped that argument of course is the vote to move toward public hearings into released transcripts but here we are on Monday morning a a few days after Democrats voted to go public with this effort and we still have closed door depositions going on Democrats say this is still part of the process there are quite a few view people they still want to hear from not only the people we've mentioned already but also people close to Secretary of State Mike Pompeo the counselor at the State Department and the Under Secretary of the state for political affairs or both scheduled for Wednesday but Republicans say hey look you're still doing this close-door depositions this isn't a real process we deserve to have this public and of course you see the president leading that message in which they believe is working now Democrats seem seem to be saying that open hearings could begin next week we'll have to see see but let's just listen to what's White House adviser Kellyanne Conway said when she was on Fox News Sunday with Chris Wallace yesterday talking about whether the White House will cooperate at all with the impeachment inquiry and here you'll hear Kellyanne Conway talking about whether the president will stop stop former national security adviser John Bolton from testifying well ambassador Bolton publicly and his lawyer said he's not sure he'll appear that has nothing to do with the president he's not sure the president the I'm not sure the president has talked to Ambassador Bolton but we as a as a White House will continue to exert executive privilege we're here we feel that it is necessary that the House vote doesn't make a difference in terms of a flawed process somehow becoming open been and transparent and they should have done this from the beginning Darlene. Help US understand is this is this Kellyanne Conway following what Nick was saying this this what they've found to be perhaps a successful line of attack you're on transparency or or what what exactly she saying I think it strikes me as is a little bit of both right you had transparency argument everything is going on behind closed stores and then you have flaw makers leaking in view of the White House host portions of testimony that amplified they're part of the story the President I think it was yesterday when he was returning from from a weekend in New York City was asked the question about Bolton and whether he would try to keep him from testifying and his response was that that was up up to John Bolton and his attorneys that of course remains to be seen because as Kelly and Conway said in the clip that you just played the White House is still still very much interested in exerting executive privilege wherever they can and Bolton was obviously a very close advisor to the president and I I could certainly see the president and the White House telling Mr Bolton Ambassador Bolton don't go to the hill lose your thoughts on that well I I think that if Bolton appears before Congress which by the way it sounds like he might his his lawyer has been Dan kind of coy but said that he might appear if he has subpoenaed well it turns out that basically all of these witnesses have been subpoenaed the morning of I believe today Robert Blair was subpoenaed just this morning as well he was supposed to be one of the people who is supposed to appear today so if they do get Bolton and a chair our Bolton is key to all of this right I mean we saw in the Bill Taylor testimony that Bolton's name is littered throughout that and you you know he was very close with president trump and it seems the way that the White House is reacting to this that they are nervous that the president is nervous about what Boulton Bolton may reveal to Congress and it could be beyond this Ukraine call remember that I mean there are so many calls that would have been on that he may reveal something saying to Congress that we don't even know about Well Nick we've just got about a minute here before we have to take a break you just a couple of days ago you spoke with Adam chef with Congressman Adam Schiff what insight did he give you about the next steps at the house might take so Adam Schiff told me that he would try and release transcripts or the House Committee he will she chairs trying to release transcripts early this week and and he has since said that other reporters and his aides have said the same thing so they're on the record having to release these transcription just to make a quick point about the transcript so as we see them presumably not in full release but presumably in drips and drabs starting over over the next couple of days is that both sides will cherry pick them Democrats will obviously point to the excerpts that say that the president put pressure on on new a new president Ukraine let them use Alinsky Republicans will cite examples where they feel like the president did nothing wrong and and these transcripts will be hundreds and hundreds and hundreds of pages and so we'll have to sit sift through them and that'll take quite awhile schifrin Liz lenders and Darlene Super Ville standby here for second we're talking about what to expect in get another big week in the news we'll be right back this is on point Gal Support Ron Point and the following message come from MIT's system design and management jointly offered by Mit School of Engineering and the MIT's Sloan School of Management Earn a Master's in engineering and land-management SDN educates mid career professionals to lead effectively and creatively by using systems thinking to solve large scale complex challenges in product design development and innovation using MIT's most advanced information and communication technologies join a virtual info session on Wednesday November number six from 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Intelligence Committee as well joining us today from Washington Congressman Welcome to on Point High Magna so first of all let's just pick a couple of Nick Schifrin left us off before the break here because maybe you can provide us more up to date answer when do you expect the House Intelligence Committee to release transcripts from depositions Titians that you've already taken well I think the chairman Schiff had told various folks in the media that he planned to do it this week so I I expect that to happen as you know there are a lot of witnesses that actually came forward to our surprise defying White House orders not to cooperate and gave extensive testimony sometimes upwards of ten eleven hours of testimony so I I I think that the staff will have to go through and and redecked you know for sensitive or other information that should not be publicly released but otherwise I expect maximum transparency. ESPN transcripts very shortly do you feel and does the committee feel a sense of urgency around this because as you well know Republican members of the House and the administration the Ministry and the administration as well have been consistently saying that they believe this whole process has not been transparent I think has been a really Bogus argument ah I'll just tell you what's happened in these clothes proceedings you know more than forty Republicans have actually been able to participate they've been able to question witnesses for the same amount of time the Democrats have and they've been able to question Emma as to any topic that they want and they've been able to offer opening statements they've taken the advantage of all those things so to say that that's an unfair as really unfounded but all that being said chairmanship wants to bring maximum transparency to these proceedings seatings we took a vote that allows for the transcripts to be released and so that's what's GonNa Happen this week say if it if it'd be Tuesday Wednesday Thursday I'm not sure I think it's more of a logistical thing right now than anything else and then do you have any further information about when we might see the beginning of public hearings I don't have a date Magna I think that Speaker Pelosi has made it clear that it's going to happen in short order again I think that it's a A matter of logistics and the calendar and making sure that witnesses are available on certain days more than anything else but I just WANNA say the people that you know hopefully will appear for these public proceedings the same ones that we questioned in the skiff the underground I guess bunker beneath the capital are you know members of the administration their career public servants apolitical and I would say are there really to be commended because they came forward sticking their next on the line their careers on the line coming at expense to themselves hiring their own attorneys to to tell the truth and I think that people will be be very impressed with the caliber of witnesses that they see publicly so congressman based on what you've heard so far and the public is already seen at least some of the opening statements from some of these witnesses Lieutenant Colonel Veneman Women Bill Taylor as well do you believe the house has a case so far or already for impeachment impeachment so I don't I want to withhold judgment on the ultimate question of impeachment because I I want to wait for all the evidence to come in and we're still we still yet to see everyone in public as well that being said there's mounting evidence of serious misconduct that took place surrounding the July I twenty fifth phone call from President Trump to presidents Alinsky and and they're at least two serious episodes of misconduct here one and merely requesting foreign assistance with domestic election efforts is illegal in and of itself but on top of that to US news security assistance to the Ukraine as well as the prospect of a White House meeting to pressure them you know adds to the misconduct and I think there's evidence of all of the above and that's extremely disturbing at this point well actually congressman let me just take a quick call here let me go to Marc Eric who's calling from Madison Wisconsin Mark you're on the Air Hi Magnolia love your show I want to know why hasn't the house with the people who have not responded to the subpoenas why hasn't the house indicted I did them in either jail or find them or else filed and obstruction of justice against the White House it seems like trump's people can flaunt the rule of law and get away with Mark Thank thank you for your call this question keeps coming up again and again so congressman Kushner Murthy response for mark sure thank you for the question you know anybody anybody who is not complying with the subpoena is basically going to be figuring into charges as a potential obstruction of the inquiry and any evidence that's withheld whether it's testimony or documents would be considered corroborative of the underlying complaint especially by the whistle blower but now we've seen a number of other claims come forward to there are other remedies as well but what's interesting interesting to me magna among other things that I think those particular the treatment of these witnesses and others who don't comply subpoenas I think has really encouraged a lot of others to come forward so that's that's I think very interesting to me what's the one question that you want the answer to more than anything I think that we've we've seen a lot of evidence with regard to the security assistance to Ukraine as well as the White House meeting being withheld for purposes of have you know investigating the president's political operatives I'm political initiatives and I think that I wanna hear from more people about what they saw heard and who directed these particular episodes I wanna see more evidence of that because we need to fully flush it out and hold everyone accountable who may have participated in the misconduct we can't end this by just holding one or two people bowl accountable if the if the misconduct actually occurred and then others to go off Scot free that would be really bad because we would send the wrong message pitch to those who actually participated that they can get away with it and then from very practical standpoint we can't allow allow them to continue with that misconduct going forward so we need to know the full outlines of what's happened well Congressman Roger Kushner Murthy Democrat from Illinois member of the House Intelligence Committee Congressman Awesome. Thank you so much for joining US thank you MAGNA Darlene Super Ville White House correspondent for the Associated Press anything that you heard the congressman say that sort of makes you wonder what my about what might happen this week or in the coming weeks I think a key thing for this week will be when the transcripts start coming out out and you know nick was talking about that earlier it's going to be volumes and volumes of pages and you're going to see both sides the Republicans and Democrats try to Cherry pick doc and you know use whatever they find to their advantage and it's GonNa take reporters like us three and all of our colleagues hours and hours to sift through all of those pages remember some of these many of these depositions lasted nine hours ten hours so it's going to be a lot of paper to go through and then then also wants the transcripts do come out the reaction from the White House and from the president himself to You know what we see these witnesses has said right so liz landers speaking of the President I mean he's been focused a lot on the whistle blower I mean he's he's sort of taken his twitter shots at at other people who testified so far but there's this unrelenting focus on on the whistle blower who's who's attorney says that now the whistle blower will offer to answer written in questions but that's not good enough for the president he just tweeted today that he believes the whistle blower ought to be compelled to testify he seems completely consumed with us right now and you're right right he's been tweeting about it he tweeted about it you know probably ten times this past weekend he's been answering questions about it as he's coming to and from New York and there was a reporter yesterday who even asked the president if he was thinking about naming the whistle blower and revealing that person's identity which is supposed post be protected of course that is the point of being a whistleblower you have protection to remain anonymous in the president did not say no when he was asked that question which that really stuck out to me and I think that you see Republicans right now who are also very hung up on this idea of the whistle blower as well Oh and who that person's identity is and whether they have political leanings and affiliations I think that there are some claims that have been made I think they're unfounded at this point that the whistle blower has political ties to candidate But this is clearly I think we're going to keep seeing this as part of the messaging for this next phase when this becomes a public impeachment inquiry and it's not behind closed doors I think we're GonNa see this a lot from Republicans bookends well in fact the president said very recently that he's even he's even calling on members of the media reporters to name name the whistle blower were he believes some members of the Washington media do know who it is here is the president just yesterday on the South Lawn at the White House they know they know who it is you know you just don't WanNA report it. CNN does do it is but you don't want to report it the way and you know you'd be doing the public acerbic Arbizu to whistle blower gave a four three four Nick Schifrin it first of all just it seems as if much of what we've already heard from or know of testimony the money that's been given actually supports verifies the whistle blowers report just wanted to point that out but in normal times even whoa someone calling for whistle blowers identity to be revealed I mean I've seen critics of the president say that just in and of itself that ought to be an impeachable offense but the president just said it I mean what do you think about his focus here on on the whistle blower magnetic if these were normal times be talking about different things every day for the last couple of years I'd say so look there are a lot of reports suggested of the whistle blowers name And we do you know a a few details about this person and yes a lot of media members are are not reporting those details because as lists suggested and it is federal law that protects whistleblowers identity now that said of course the the fact that some conservative media outlets are printing nineteen A person's name means that we've all asked him this person's lawyers and the lawyers simply refused to confirm or deny so you know th that's that's where we are in terms of the whistle blowers identity at at this point but the president will continue to make the argument and I think that depending on which details of the whistle blower come out the argument will be associated based on the timing of this person's appointments to the agencies he's that that this person has worked and that will be somehow a sign of political leaning and and of course what historically if you call it in normal times times we have believed is that this person is in the intelligence community you know intelligence officials whether they are appointed under a Democrat Democratic president or Republican president does not matter they serve the higher purpose if you will of analyzing intelligence and so that argument has largely been lost and and probably will continue to be lost given that Republicans on the three committees that are questioning witnesses right now demand a lot more as as we've been saying then just the written statements that the whistle blows attorneys vow or or or or offering to provide they are calling for some kind of public testimony even though as you point out magna that the whistleblower did not have firsthand account firsthand knowledge of the phone call and we have now heard from half a dozen at least officials behind closed doors who have had first-hand knowledge who have corroborated much of what the whistle blower Believe that that that had happened well let's go back to our callers let's go to Aaron calling from from Omaha Nebraska Aaron you're on the Air Hi Magna my question I guess is sort of along the lines lines of what you guys were just talking about a mind is still trying to bring everything back into the normal times and it is I can't quite understand what the I guess legal or even a rational sort of justification there is from wanting to see who the whistle blower doc is especially given the fact as you guys have stated that we have so many witnesses first hand witnesses who corroborated what the whistle blower brought out so how is it that the Republicans and the president himself and the president's supporters what justification are they trying to give other than kind of a witch hunt and wanting to get at his political enemies outside of that is there any good reason for us meeting to know who the whistle blower or is right well Aaron thank you so much for your call and Darlene let me turn back to you on this because just as Nick said there's federal law protecting whistleblowers so oh there's really no legal justification but I think nick was getting to this where when you said really it's a political question and ultimately in the biggest picture so is impeachment it's a political question so this this is we're seeing pub continuation of a strategy here from the president and from the White House Darlene right and I thank the caller for the question I would just say that we have seen this playbook before right this is an attempt by I president trump and his Republican allies in Congress to basically try to discredit the whistle blower every day when the president student gets a speech he does a rally he talks to reporters going and coming from the White House his comment always that he had a perfect call with Ukraine's leader he did nothing wrong the whistle blower got it wrong it's an attempt it's another attempt to sort of discredit the witness and we saw this for the past two years during the Russia investigation that was led by special counsel Robert Muller there was a daily attempt by the president through tweets and public comments to undermine that investigation and I think that's the same thing that we're seeing right here of course the point has been made excuse me that at this point the whistle blower does seem irrelevant because we have had testimony from so many people who actually listened in on the call the whistle blower said that he had secondhand information he was not on the call we have had a few you people testify who were on the call so it would it would seem to make the whistle blower a little bit irrelevant but nevertheless it is just another attempt by the White House the president and his allies in Congress to discredit this individual right and Darlene as you said it's an it's an age old device used by defense attorneys in virtually every case to discredit a witness exactly when we will come back we'll talk about what's happening on the on the Senate side of things regarding guarding the views on the impeachment inquiry and also the effect all of this is having on the twenty twenty presidential race will briefly touch down a little bit of international news news as well we'll be right back 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This is on point I'm Meghna Chakrabarti were talking with the roundtable of top reporters today about what's going to be another big week in the news we already know that several people who who have been subpoenaed to provide positions to the house impeachment inquiry investigation are likely not going to show up that's just one of the many big stories also what effect is all of this having on the twenty twenty presidential race we're joined today by Darlene Super Bowl she is White House correspondent for the Associated Press Liz landers is with us she's White House correspondent for Vice News and Nick Schifrin also joins us he's foreign affairs and defence correspondent for PBS. Newshour now everyone I just wanted to get your quick takes on how Senate Republicans are sort of crafting their their messaging in this in this moment now because I think we were seeing a move towards perhaps acknowledging that some kind of conversations some kind of quid pro quo may have happened between President Donald Trump and the Ukrainian president but with that Senate Republicans are saying it's not necessarily wrong to do that I mean here's House Minority Whip Steve Scalise Republican from Louisiana of course on the house side here so not the Senate forgive me on the House side he was on with George Stephanopoulos host of ABC's this week talking about the appropriateness of the president's interactions here scalise here's responding to Stephanopolous multiple attempts to ask whether or not it was right for the president to do see what he did that wasn't first of all about political opponents the Law George requires president trump or any president when they're sending foreign aid taxpayer money to another country three to I ensure that that country's rooting out corruption he ends Alinsky we're talking about that on the phone call the Democrat since he raised were crowd strike in two thousand sixteen involving the Democrats Burris Min two thousand seventeen and eighteen involving a Joe Biden and again it's just a very simple question do you think it's appropriate for the president to ask the Ukrainians or the Chinese which is also done in public to investigate his domestic political opponents and the interview actually goes on and Stephanopoulos asks scalise a couple more times about the appropriateness and congressman scalise continued to deny that the Ukraine call was about the president's political opponents opponents at all so liz landers what do you see here in in in what GOP members are saying I have experienced a contrast between between what the House Republicans are saying and what the Senate Republicans are saying I think House members that I speak with are going along the lines of what you heard from squeezer saying there is absolutely no quid pro quo the president didn't do anything wrong and basically saying that there's no there are there when you talk with members of the Senate and I thought that this was so interesting from Lindsey Graham about two weeks ago Graham is one of president trump's biggest defenders on the hill he held a press conference about the houses handling of the impeachment inquiry and Graham said look the president isn't perfect and I think that there are members of the Republican Party in the Senate who acknowledged that they would not have had that phone call and conducted themselves selves that way on a call with Ukraine but do not think that it's an impeachable offense and I think that you know with the Senate coming as the jury in this impeachment each month process that they are trying to right now sort of you know stay a little bit of an arm's distance away from this I don't think that a lot of Senate Republicans want to comment met on this and they are talking about the process as why they don't want to comment on it but I do think that they are more willing to say yes this is not something I would have done but it's not impeachable well let's go to Greg who's got a question about exactly this calling from Omaha Nebraska Greg you're on the Air Hello Oh thanks for taking my call yeah I think this has been an peachable fan but my take on the whole thing is is the Republicans and get remember to Democrats but I know they're in every Republican area where they're from and they voted against it and my take is they're trying to appease their base because their basis against it the impeachment and I think they're just looking at votes and my thinking that they do that the Democrats the need to bring this up I don't care what the Republicans do they need to go forward with this because if they don't then I mean why have a government Well Greg thank you for your call a Nikki one responded Greg yes a Greg's talking about Colin Peterson and Jeff Andrew drew to Democrats and he's right from republican-leaning districts who broke with their party an and voted against voted against the Thursday vote hello to proceed toward public airings I let me just make two points we are all looking at this through both legal and in political lens but but it's clear from the constitution that this is a political question you know and and go back to your question to the Congress men about what happens happens when people do not show up the response was well this'll be part of our obstruction case so so this is not a question of criminality or or or legal google question that this this is a real political question and then secondly you know it it's just not clear right now what message is going to stick I I think that as we've been talking about before the messaging from the Republicans and the President have been multiple all the way from you know the whistle blower only a second hand information to the criticisms of the process and now we get to a phase which is what Liz was was referring to which is look this call might have been problematic but it's is not an impeachable offense which is what the caller said and so that is the message that is seems probably going to take hold over the next couple of weeks but as as we talked about for the Democrats still have or the the intelligence committee is still leading these close-door depositions and so the argument that this is still closed door will remain at least for another week so I think that you know all of these messages will continue to go on but we do have to remember that ultimately this is a political decision it is a political vote and what we expect is is if the House house does vote for impeachment mostly if not all along party lines the Senate is likely not to convict the president again along party lines which just reinforces enforces that this is a political question criminal right well let's go to Philip who's calling from Westfield Wisconsin Philip you're on the air hi just got a comment I like you know if you're a national public radio I don't understand why is thing is so skewed one direction all your comments all your guests that you have on it you know I used to love your programming I gotTa tell you so this getting old oh real old for me well like non stop attack on the president of the United States there's things that he says I don't really care care for either but I'm GonNa tell you something I I really think you're doing yourself at this service it's national public radio if you guys are only GonNa have guests on the look at one side of the state what about all the goodies done well on here for a second so just I just want to say that we have three reporters here who aren't taking aside they're simply reporting the facts as we know them so far in the IMP impeachment inquiry and what members of Congress have told them they're doing their jobs as a reporter but as reporters but what are you what are you saying here I mean do you do you not want to hear about the details of the impeachment inquiry anymore and if not why not you're saying facts as we know them you're saying faxes they're being reported and you're not getting no you only you're only putting on air one side of this thing what what is so the would be the other side I mean we we regularly request Republican members of Congress Congress to join us on the show all the time I can't compel them to come on the air I really wish they would I I really think you're doing the country just

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"Hi, I'm Brad milkey from ABC news and want to tell you about another podcast that I host called start here. It's every weekday morning. And in twenty minutes, we will get you teed up for the stories driving your day with context from experts with on the ground access so start smart. And subscribe to start here brought to you by indeed used by over three million businesses for hiring where business owners and HR professionals can post job openings with screener questions, then soared review and communicate with candidates from an online dashboard. Learn more at indeed dot com slash powerhouse. Hello, and welcome to powerhouse politics. ABC news, political director, Rick recline, and I'm ABC, senior congressional correspondent, Mary, Bruce and Mary, we have a reelection campaign. President Trump who basically never stopped campaigning since the day he was inaugurated. He has been running for reelection has formally launched his campaign for reelection and you hear this from incumbents, all the time that they wanna make erase a choice and not a referendum. We know the Democrats they wanna frame this race. It's up or down on President Trump, where they kind of like their chances here is the primary system. Just get started with the first debates only a week away, but from the Republican side from President Trump. He is trying to lay out this this this race as a choice. And man, if you listen to what he has to say, Mary, it is a stark choice at that very stark. Look what struck me is really fascinating about the way that the president rolled out yet again his his reelection campaign with how familiar it sounded right? The president in this huge. Rally down in Florida, outlining in your right? Very stark terms what he feels is at stake in this election. But it was a lot of the kind of stark terms that we've been hearing over the last two years, he may have tried out a new campaign slogan, but he in many ways, it was a similar speech that we've been hearing from the president all along. Yeah. Really? I if we're campaign that never really ended the, the rhetoric hasn't changed very much when you close your eyes, and your back in two thousand sixteen maybe a more professional operation, more bells and whistles, more Trumpian flourishes, more playing up of the fact that he's now President Trump a, but the playlist was the same all those all those songs up to including you can't always get what you want as he walks off the stage, which is always been a strange noise for me and into some of the lines. And you're right. I mean look, listen to what he had to say on this issue of collusion. And look, listen to who makes a cameo appearance in the sound bite. The all league collusion was committed by the democ. Kratz the fake news media, and there are those and the people who funded the phony dossier, Brooklyn, Hillary Clinton, and the DNC. Crooked Hillary's back of Mary, and she's, of course not a candidate but in the framing of this race seems like she's going to be a major player. He talked more about Hillary Clinton in this speech, then he did about his current twenty twenty opponents. It's why this felt so familiar and close your eyes, and you really did think for a second that you were back in two thousand sixteen the big question and the challenge for the president is going to be, whether that message still resonates Clinton is no longer his opponent, are these attacks against her going to be enough to rally not just his supporters, but those voters who may be on the fence. Now obviously it is very early. And I'm sure he will ramp up those attacks against his democratic opponents as we get further and further into this campaign, but it was just remarkable. How much time and energy he spent still going after his old foe here young. You heard you heard more about the emails in this in this speech as well. And again, it's just an initial speech, but in terms of the framing, this is something that the president had a lot of time to. To, to prepare around and as he began to, to look at the democratic field. We've heard Democrats say, lots of lots of interesting things in terms of policy proposals that field is still developing, but you can see the battle lines drawn. And, and of course with this president, which in addition to being on touched by time, I think untouched by facts as well in what he says as a candidate and as president, this is what he this is how he is casting, any of the Democrats who, who might be tuning into, to listen to what he has to say our radical democrat opponents off driven by hatred prejudice and rage. They want to destroy you and they want to destroy our country as we know it. I mean, I think it's just worth pausing to reflect on the words, the president's using here because Mary as these last couple of years of listening to Donald Trump has changed our perceptions of things, but this is the president United States saying that the radical Democrats. It's all of his opponents lump it. The other driven by hatred prejudice and rage and want to destroy you want to destroy you. It's some pretty dark language, right? I mean, the president went on to make several unfounded claims against his opponent opponents in the opposing party as well. And you're right. We have kind of in some ways, I think as a culture, become a little numb to these attacks. But this is the sitting president of the United States, using this kind of language to describe his political opponents. And if you take a second to let that sink in, it is a pretty remarkable moment that we are in and going back to the fact that this is just the beginning of the campaign, you can only assume that, that rhetoric is going to be ratcheted up the further, we get into this, but it is going back to your original point, very clear that the president, he's not going after one opponent or another. He is trying to paint the entire Democratic Party with some very broad strokes and some pretty dark strokes to and what's part of what's interesting to me Mary's. The ultimate outsider. The guy coming into crash, the whole system is the inside or now. Yeah. As the president of the United States he is still running against the swamp still running against the system still running against these kind of undescribed nebulous forces that in his in his vision of things are trying to stand against progress trying to stand against the vision and the dreams of the voters who brought him into office, the people in that crowd, that overflow crowd there in Orlando. Take a listen to how he is framing the choice based on values our political opponents looked down with hatred on our values, and with utter disdain for the people whose lives they wanna run. That's the way they've been doing it. So I to me that's that's a key connection. That's the tissue that connects the president and his own very personal time in office to his supporters. And that's what raises a lot of interesting issues about how the Democrats. Frame their race because they're having a raging debate right now in the party that gets at lots of issues that are hot button ones around healthcare, and around immigration, and the like and whether to impeach the president and the like and this president is jousting against that and framing it as a choice about values. Yeah. And the president says look, it's us versus them, right? And you do raise an interesting point about the system. Right. The president has always railed against the system and argued that he's the one who can come in and shake things up, right? Shakeup, the way that Washington is run won't. Now he is part of Washington. And does he need to change his political calculus when instead of being able to just come in and run against something? He now has to defend his record. He has a political record in a way that he didn't have for years ago. And so to see the President Try to walk that fine line. It will be interesting and whether he's going to have to and in some ways he probably will tweak his playbook, but it is very clear that going into this. He is. Making the this big bold argument. Right. This is not necessarily him dialing down on on policy, or even as you know, which is important to know running on his record, a lot of people would say you should just be talking about the economy, which is doing so well. And that is really where it should focus should be instead, he setting this up is sort of this big almost philosophical debate about American values, and what he says his opponents want to do to, to destroy those values essentially, and Mary to me, the, the sound bite. I want to queue of next tells so much of the story because the way that the president has governed has been to rely on his base, and to remember who brought him to the dance and to give as you here in this, in this piece to give his own voters, his his base a piece of the action a slice of the game a stake in this and to make it about them and not about him this this subject of a racing. I think is really, really intriguing. Take a listen. They went after my family. Might my finances. My employees almost everyone that I've ever known worked with. But they are really going after you. That's what it's all about not about us. It's about you. They tried to erase your vote race your legacy of the greatest campaign and the greatest election, probably in the history of our country. And that to me is valuable rhetorical tool for this president, because it encapsulates the Muller report it encapsulates so much of the scandal. That's invalid this White House at various stages. It captures so many of the misdeeds of the of the Trump cabinet of the Trump family. Businesses of the issues is children have been involved in and says, look, all of these things, you're hearing about its noise because it's about you. They're trying to erase you. And this is the president essentially playing the victim in many ways, right? Saying that the system has been out to get him that Washington in this. Swamp or against this president, and he's using that as a way to, to try and relate in many ways to his supporters right to, to that forgotten American to say, I understand, when you feel that the system is out to get you into bring it to the events that are going on in Washington this week a key moment just today. Mary hope Hicks, the former White House communications director, longtime campaign spokeswoman for the Trump campaign on Capitol Hill to answer questions about the Muller report, the first top Trump official to be called up there since the report itself was released. Of course, there's a lot of issues that she can't talk about, but too many Democrats, that's very problematic. They want they still want answers on this as the investigative front goes on, even without impeachment yet. And this is a big moment for Democrats. And this on-going seemingly never ending fight between House, Democrats, and the administration over what Democrats as administration stonewalling of all of their requests. And yet today finally they. Are going to be able to, to grill, a member of the president's inner circle for the first time since the release of the report, and I think it's important to remember just what a key player hope Hicks is she such a familiar, face by the president's side. She was a key to him during the campaign. Then, of course, the White House communications director, she was by the president side for so many key moments that came up in the Muller report. In fact, she's one of the most frequently cited witnesses in the mellow report. And so Democrats right now as we speak are questioning her about incidents of alleged obstruction. They also told wanna ask her about those hush money payments that were made to stormy Daniels. The question is, how forthcoming is she going to be because we know that the Trump administration and the president has directed her not to speak about her time as his senior adviser they believe that she should be immune from that line of questioning, and that sets up a fight over that big never ending question up over executive privilege. And how far is this administration going to go to prevent someone like hope Hicks from being able to answer these questions? And Mary, how does this fit? It in, in your mind and covering the hill to the larger issues around impeachment that, that the democratic caucus is right now wrestling with we're going to talk in a few moments to the, the house minority whip ski, Steve Kalisa, we know where he stands on impeachment. But it is an active question that Nancy Pelosi and her colleagues are are trying to navigate what how does a hope Hicks testifying and all the document demands. How does that all fit in? Well, in some ways, Democrats would say, look. They are having some success in being able to gather the information and pursue their investigations if you are democratic leader and someone who is urging caution as you hear that drumbeat to impeachment they can point to hope Hicks coming in and say, look, this is working, right? Like let's follow the facts, let's continue to pursue our line of inquiry. Let's not rush to impeachment. On the other hand, there is no denying that the, the pressure is growing almost daily as the number of Democrats here on the hill. An presidential candidates continue to be ratcheting up that pressure in calling for impeachment, but so. Far while you've heard speaker Pelosi may be changed her rhetoric a little bit. She's thrown some red meat to, to the political base into those Democrats, who are urging impeachment. She is staying the course and she is not budging and cheese insisting that they need to follow the facts as she says they need to build a compelling case against the president, and she would argue is -ssume that, that, that hearing from hope Hicks, and getting some of these questions answered is part of that process. I think that's right. And you know, she just just today ruled out the idea of, of formal censure basically saying, she said as much that this would be a day at the beach, or maybe a day at the golf course for President Trump, if you've got the goods, you gotta do it, but a lot of Democrats will argue that the goods are there. We're seeing a growing number as you mentioned of House Democrats, who say it's time to do it, including a few the first couple of dribble of ones who represent districts that, that swung to the Democrats favor that were the majority makers that's still the minority. There's still a whole lot of no votes inside the democratic caucus, Mary. Is it your sense? That, that. That Pelosi recognizes this at this stage and that and that she is doing what she can to try to hold off these calls. Yeah. And she's walking very fine line. And I do think the numbers here matter. A look you have now roughly sixty a little over sixty House Democrats who are calling for impeachment. That is not a critical mass that's gonna force Pelosi's hand, but she does have to, you know, pay attention to that she does have to recognize their concerns and in some ways, you're seeing some lip service to that as well. Pelosi here and we've talked about this, it seems she simply trying to buy yourself time in many ways, she continues to argue that the best way to beat Donald Trump is not an impeachment inquiry, but at the ballot box, and that's because she, you know, is well aware that impeaching president could backfire politically, she feels the president is going them into impeachment because he thinks this would be good for his base that it would energize his base be good for him politically, especially as you head into an election. And because the political reality is simply that, even if the house goes ahead and impeach the president, it's gonna. Hit a big brick wall over in the Senate, where Republicans are in charge, and they have no intention right now at least a of, of impeaching this president. Yeah. And the president of the fit almost almost two perfectly from the Democrats perspective into exactly the rhetoric that we heard from the president in his launched me that when he talks about a racing his legacy racing the votes of people that brought him to office there is no more powerful statement that he could make about that, then in unsuccessful impeachment Bush in, in, even if awful things came out in the course of impeachment inquiry, and even if the president were impeached, actually, in the house in acquittal in the Senate would be a powerful thing. We know what he says about the mother report wrongfully saying that it's that it found no obstruction and no collusion. But if if, if they the Democrats tried again, and try to be impeachment and fell short that to me is Nancy Pelosi's, worst nightmare. Maybe the worst nightmare of two thousand twenty candidates as well. And based on what we heard from the president last night at this rally, I it is a really serious concern for. Democrats up here that the president would argue to his supporters into voters that look, I'm being impeached, and it's not just about the president's behavior, but based on what we heard last night, he would likely argue that this is the system. This is Washington out to not just get the president but out to get his supporters as well. All right. Maybe we're gonna take a quick break. When we come back, we're going to be joined by the Republican whip. The minority whip in the house of representatives congressman Steve, Scalise of Louisiana. When you're hiring, you don't wanna waste time sorting through dozens of irrelevant resumes. You want an efficient way to get to a shortlist of qualified candidates. That's why you need indeed dot com post a job in minutes. Set up screener questions, based on your job requirements, then zero in on qualified candidates using an intuitive online dashboard. 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And what is really your remarkable personal road to recovery in your book back in the game, which is now just been released in paperback? And we want we want to get all of that in just a minute, congressman. But I if we could start with some of the news of the day, the president is recognised just discussing was out there last night in Florida officially kicking off his presidential re election, thousands of supporters out at this rally, and the president made his case to voters, right. But he, but he also struck up pretty familiar tone. He's been a lot of time going after Democrats are pretty stark terms, but also going back to attacking Hillary Clinton. Is that a winning strategy thing for the president or does he need to update the playbook? A little bit. What would president got a great story to tell and, and it was really good to see such an enthusiastic packed house? I mean he's still a when he goes and speaks around the country has overflow crowds. I was with them in south Louisiana a few weeks ago when he came down and talk about a massive energy project, that's, that's going to be helping our allies all around the world because of his strong energy policy. But in the end, I hear mostly talking about the economy and how well the economy's doing because of the things we've done like cutting taxes for families, so they have more money in their paychecks, and so that you see companies raising the wages for their workers. And so people have more money in their paychecks from both higher wages, and lower taxes, and how he's got regulations under control and inevitably you're gonna talk. About the match up and, you know, he can reflect some on the matchup that he had with Hillary Clinton. But he's also talking about what you're seeing on the far left, how they're moving toward socialism in this. This move where Bernie Sanders version of government, control versus freedom is going to be, I think a prevailing theme in next year's election. And so the president's already starting to talk about that as well. You write in your book about how after this horrific shooting by what was politically motivated gunman that there was this tremendous moment of unity, right? The, the two parties coming together, and there was a collective call to, to dial back the political rhetoric but here we are two years later and the president last night. You know, he said his opponents or driven by quote hatred prejudice and rage. He said, they want to destroy our country as we know it, if we're going to change how we talk to each other does that have to start at the top. Have you urged the? Resident at all to tone it down. I think everybody needs to tone it down and be aware of their rhetoric. But at the same time, what I've been very outspoken about is when people incite violence in the rhetoric in the president has not done that I have seen some people do it, mostly on the democrat side. But some on the Republican side, and I've been very vocal about calling it out, whether it's a Republican or democrat, there's no place for inciting, violence, or for carrying out acts of violence, 'cause you disagree with somebody's political views, you didn't hear any any shades of that, though, when he talks about the, the other side being driven by hatred. Prejudice rage is that fair rhetoric? Is that inbounds? Well, considering some of the, the wild accusations baseless accusations, and in vile name calling that's been thrown out. The president look, he's a rough until I'm a guy and he comes from the world of New York real estate, and he's been like this before he wrote was a candidate for president, you know, it's his style and. You know, you see them on TV, but I also get to work with them in person, and I will tell you when you're in a meeting with President Trump, you know, whether we're working on healthcare policy tax policy immigration policy. He's all business and he's focusing on get breeze getting results. He wants to deliver results for the, the American people that he made commitments to and he's been following through on those commitments in. You're seeing the benefits. I mean, the economy is probably the hottest economy, we've seen in generations, the American economy is now the envy of the world again because of the actual results, the policies of President Trump. And in the end, I think that's what he's going to be judged on. You know, he's they're going to be debates and I'm sure the debates will get a little heated. That's not new to American politics, by the way, again, you know, keep it keeping focused on the issues don't inside violence. But at the same time, he's got a great story to tell and I see him tell that story when he's doing a lot of these town halls and rallies, that he does that again. Tober flow crowds, congressman schools. You mentioned healthcare policy in particular, in the president told George Stephanopoulos, a few days ago. I'm sure you saw the this special on Sunday night. That's that there will be another Republican healthcare plan in the next month or two. Will there be a an actual plan, presented by house and Senate Republicans and the president as the plan to replace ObamaCare? Is that is that going to happen? I think it's important that we show, a true alternative about how you can actually get better healthcare, lower costs for families. You've got to restore the doctor patient relationship. Get the federal government. He's unelected bureaucrats out of the business of telling you what you can and can't buy let families by what they want, that's best for their family wherever they want to buy it right now. You can't even buy insurance health insurance across state lines like you can buy every single other product. And so you don't have the real competition that leads to lower prices, we need to protect preexisting conditions and we do that. And I've spoken to the president about this Pacific -ly. He feels very strong that the plan, we've put out needs to be focused on two primary things. One is lowering health care costs for families restoring that doctor-patient relationship and protecting. People with preexisting conditions so that they can't be discriminated against in pricing. And so those are the kind of things that I think we do need to lay up because the Democrats now have even moved beyond ObamaCare. They're talking about this plan where you literally would have government controlled healthcare. They would get rid of the private insurance market. Look, there's over one hundred and thirty million people who get by their healthcare through, whether it's their company, they buy it on their own, but they buy a plan. That's good for their family. And the Democrats plan gets rid of that, it, actually bans, those kind of plans again, we need to get out of this business of government control of your healthcare. You ought to be making those decisions with your family, not someone elected bureaucratic Washington. And in terms of timing windy think we might see that plan. We obviously know that healthcare is one of the top on the top issue for many voters. Is it important that Republicans in the president actually put out a detailed plan before the election? Absolutely. It's important. We take the time to get it right. Which is what we're doing. And we'll work in with a lot of people, I mean, there are a lot of people that, that really care about fixing the many, many things that are broken in healthcare, and making it work better for families. And again, this gets to the core of with the president's message has been as let's deliver results for the hard work, and families who have been left behind too often by government. Let's make government work better for people in healthcare policies. One of those big areas because government controls not working. It's actually leading to higher costs and fewer options for families. You know, even a person with a pre existing condition today in many cases are paying twenty percent more than he did last year. They're deductible as high as ten thousand dollars. That's not access to healthcare in many ways, it shuts off their ability to afford healthcare. We need to make it more Ford -able. And again, let people choose what's best for them, and their family and buy it from wherever they want to buy it, even if it's another state, congressman Miskel, the, the president tweeted that we're just days away. Now from the beginning of, of massive. Rotations millions. He said of illegal aliens will be deported in the coming days. We're only about a year removed from the child separation issue, bubbling, over in the president reversing that policy is it is this actually going to happen. Do you, do you believe that we are on the verge of seeing billions of deportations? And if so, are there are there enough safeguards in place to make sure that we don't see a replay of those images from last year with with child children being ripped from their families? Well, first of all, President Trump is wanted to work with congress to end that policy where you can reunite families again, where you can secure America's border. And then let's focus on the, the loopholes that are creating this magnet where you have literally thousands of people every single day coming across our border illegally. It's unprecedented. We haven't seen numbers this high since two thousand and six in last month. We had over one hundred forty thousand people cross our border illegally, just one month. And so what the president has said is, you know, look at the broken asylum laws look at this, this ridiculous catch and release law. They the floor as court decision that's forcing the separation of ch- children with their families. President Trump wants to reverse that he wants to fix those broken laws. I was in a meeting with President Trump offered to Nancy Pelosi to fix the DACA problem. And she said, no, she walked away from that, because she didn't want to solve the problem. And look when Barack Obama was president he had a superman. Already in the house fans in the Senate, and not one time that they bring a Bill to fix these broken immigration laws. I'm glad the president's focused on securing our border and it includes a lot of things, but look you've got people coming across the border every single day in the foul per day. They're giving court dates we've seen now over ninety percent of the people that come across illegally that are given a date to show up in court for their asylum claim in many cases, it's months later years later ninety percent of them aren't showing up ninety percent. That's who the president's talking about going, and finding a why did they come into this country legally make a false asylum claim and then just disappear somewhere into our country. We've got to get control of our border. I'm glad Mexico's helping us, by the way, the president negotiated that deal with Mexico, and so instead of having tariffs with Mexico Mexico agreed that they're gonna put thousands of people on their southern border to finally get control of this problem. And it's working, by the way, it's actually starting to yield results just. In the last few days. So I'm glad the president's focused on securing the border, I think most Americans wanna see us get a control over our border. Let's turn to that other issue that it's hovering over Capitol Hill, and that is impeachment. We obviously are seeing the growing calls from Democrats growing pressure on your democratic colleagues here in the house. There is an argument that impeachment isn't necessarily a bad thing, politically for the president. He even he said recently that the Muller reports fired up his base. Do you agree is there a world in which you would want to see impeachment just to expose all these questions and defeat it? No. I think it's ridiculous. And it's, it's so productive dangerous for them to Democrats to be focused, just it's almost like an obsession. They have a hatred they have towards the president that they only want to focus on going after him, personally going after his family, you've seen. They tried to hold the attorney general in contempt of congress. Not because he did anything wrong but because he wouldn't break the law. They wanted him to turn over a document that would have been, it would have caused him to violate federal law. And so because he didn't do it. They want to hold him in contempt. They wanted peach, the president, the country fed up with this kind of foolishness committee, by the way, that has jurisdiction over the border is also the committee, that's only focused on a peach, and the president. Why don't they stop this mad impeachment, which aren't and focus on actually solving big problems, like getting secured a secure border in solving this crisis right now? We have over two hundred kids, a day, that are coming across legally. Have big health problems in the president is trying to make sure they have the funding to take care of these kids, and they're running out of money. The president identified this problem over a month ago speaker Pelosi still won't bring a Bill to the floor to solve that crisis humanitarian crisis at the border between the United States and Mexico, instead, they're focused on a peach mint. And so people are fed up and fan. Look, stop this mad witch onto impeach the president. We have an election next year to decide who our president is going to be, and they're going to make their case both sides. That's where it should be resolved at the ballot box just because you lost and twenty sixteen doesn't mean you can just focus on just going there after and harassing the person that, that one was duly elected by the people of this country. Let him do his job, and let's focus on congress doing their job, too. And before we let you go congressman. I want to ask about the congressional baseball game. It's coming up. You you write in your book back in the game. Now out in paperback about that truly magical moment. Last year where the ball found you at second base. I get chills. Even just talking about the moment. It is it really a special special moment. And you're swarmed by by teammates, Democrats and Republicans alike. I want to ask about your preparations for this year's game. And are you prepared to guarantee a hit a base hit against Cedric Richmond? Who's got to be the single greatest player the history of the congressional baseball. Those the best pitcher ever to take a uniform and those games. Rick, the loaded question you ask. But, but you know what I'm gonna give you direct answer. I, I will tell you, it was a magical moment. And I, I was just so blessed. There were a lot of miracles along the way from, you know, from the baseball game, the shooting two years ago, just for all of us to make it that day make it out alive. It was the heroism of our capital police and law enforcement other heroes, like Brad win strip and I've talked about all that in back in the game. Really as a way to highlight and tell the story through the eyes of those heroes in, in the miracles that allowed us to be here. And then, of course last year in the game they put me out there, second base to start. They let me start the game, which was an honor, I could hardly move left to right at barely stand up, but that first pitch literally, the first pitch Raul Ruez the democrat from California hits the ball, I had to backhanded, you know, the momentum brought me to the ground, and I, I said, I gotta make throw and then God help to get it there and made their first out in it'd truly wasn't. Moment and one, I'll never forget about. Look, I agree with your assessment of Cedric Richmond. He's, he's maybe the best. You know, Steve l'argent had a good run when he was in congress winning for the Republicans. But Cedric is as good as they get. But we need to beat him this year, and that's gonna be our objective. I want to get ahead off of them. I don't know if I can run and make it to first base safe at tells you, they've got serious problems on. It's a lot of fun. We're gonna raise over half a million dollars for local DC charities, and it's a great tradition. That goes back almost a hundred years, and it's a time where Republicans and Democrats for all the, the vitriol, you see on TV. It's a way for us to come together and do something really positive. You know, it's competitive we compete, but we also build really good relationships across the aisle with the members of both teams. And we're we know we're doing it for a good cause and, and look again. I mean I wrote about this in my book back in the game. It was a special moment to be able to participate in this game. But there was a horrific accident. It could have been a tragedy, an American tragedy. But instead, it's firmed in to a story about how there are so many good people in this world and I focus on the good the bad. That's what helped me get better. I still do physical therapy every, you know every week to to get better and walk without a crutch by the end of this year. That's going to be my next goal and, and look the miracles in the support the prayers from people all across the country have been incredible and helped me get better. All right. Congressman Steve Scalise will wish you luck at that game, particularly against Cedric Richmond, your good friend, and colleague from Louisiana of luck, best luck to you. And, and, and of course, best wishes in your continued recovery. It's inspiring to us. All. Thank you, congressman. Thanks so much, Rick, and Mary, and Mary. I know you were there and covered the shooting. The aftermath of the shooting and done a lot of reporting around that the, the, the scene that came together on that initial night in two thousand seventeen just weeks after the shooting. And then, again, last year, we really it was a special moment. It seems that stand a little bit apart from the day, the day to day of politics. It was remarkable, and it has been remarkable to see congressman Scalise recover to hear him. Speaking about his own experience. I it really is an amazing thing to see. And I have to encourage all of our listeners to if you're in Washington, go out to the game. It is really one of those rare amazing moments in Washington, where everyone puts all of the partisanship all of the griping aside besides. A little bit healthy trash-talk, but it is such a fun event in for wonderful 'cause, and it is an amazing moment to once again, sort of reflect on all of those congressman who survived that shooting two years ago, and all of the heroes who helped to, to, to make that happen. And to put them back out on the field. All right. That does it for this dish in of powerhouse politics. Thank you to Mary, Bruce and thanks to our entire team. Trevor Hastings behind the controls. Angie yack in a Remillard, hope you have a great week. We'll see you back here with their next edition. Powerhouse follows. Brought to you by indeed used by over three million businesses for hiring, where business owners and HR professionals can post job openings with screener questions, than sort review and communicate with candidates from an online dashboard. Learn more at indeed dot com slash powerhouse.

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Thursday, Sept. 3: Rep. Karen Bass (Repeat Episode)

"You're listening to an encore episode of the view. The CO hosts will return Tuesday, September eighth, live, for season twenty, four premiere. Need Times here because the view starts now. Briefings are back the president returned to the MIC with a wakeup call about corona virus in America it will probably unfortunately get worse before it gets better where a mask get a mask. Whether. You like the mask or not. They have an impact into startling message for the woman accused of masterminding Jeffrey. Epstein's alleged child sex trafficking crimes I just wish you well frankly. Sexual politics. Congresswoman. Alexandria Oh Cossio Cortez is allegedly verbally assaulted by GOP congressman on the steps of the Capitol. The Same Day Republican congresswoman Liz Cheney is attacked by her male colleagues inside does this expose disturbing double standard that still exists in DC. Plus California congresswoman and chair of the Congressional Black Caucus Karen Bass. Is here to share her political view on the upcoming election. Here come hot topics. With whoopie joy behar sunny hostile. And Meghan McCain. Now, let's get things started. who were hello and welcome to the view. So yesterday you know who got back in front of the cameras for the return of the White House press briefing where he appeared to appear to pivot on how America is handling tend to. Take up it will probably unfortunately get worse before it gets better something I. Don't like saying about things but that's the way it is, and we're asking everybody that. When you are not able to socially distance, wear a mask, get a mask. Whether you like the mask or not they have an impact. If you watch American television, you think that the United States was the only country involved with and suffering from the China virus. Well the world is suffering very badly. Okay aside from saying nonsense like that. He did finally into acknowledge that it is going to get worse before it gets better and he's telling people to wear masks and. Does anybody gathering any hope from this or is this just as a smokescreen? What do you think is happening here sunny? Well I could jump in here, I. If. If. It's going to get worse before it gets better which she finally has acknowledged. Them, why is he prepared to send our children to school? That's what I'd like to know from him. You know and also we're was Dr burks where was fouled she yesterday trump considers himself an expert I consider my dog who knows more about the coronavirus than trump does. So we need to have Dr who was hiding. She's back in the thing there peeping in the closet afraid that she'll come out so. That's what I wanNA know that's what I wanted to know if it's going to get worse than you finally admit it you probably put the mask gone and then he says eventually disappeared. Yeah. How many people have designed when eventually able disappear then why of the children going back to school I like to push this because I really think it's very dangerous what they're doing. Sunny what what I give you. The same question isn't a smokescreen is he is he learning anything? What is this in your opinion? For me it was too little too. Late we have almost one hundred and fifty thousand Americans that have died I agree with joy if it's going to get worse before it gets better, we are a month away from children going back to school. We know that in many states like Florida. The governors are saying full steam ahead children are going back to school, and we also know that this president has said that he is cutting funding for those schools that are refusing to. Open. Instead of maybe flooding those schools with money so that schools can open safely with the proper precautions and so for me I was dismayed at the fact that there were no experts standing alongside him like a doctor vouch -I, who I believe is the leading expert in the country on this why wasn't he? There? I want to listen to the scientists I. Want to listen to the experts I. DON'T WANNA listen to the president because again he's been peddling in so much misinformation. I just don't trust them, and if you look at the polls, most Americans don't trust him when it comes to his handling of the corona virus and they don't trust the information that he's been giving the country. Right. So Megan, what is your take on the briefing? Yesterday's smokescreen is to some some something to be gleaned from this? Yes. Yeah. He said that his poll numbers in regards to handling of the corona virus early staggering averages around twenty points. The American public thinks that Joe Biden would be better at handling this pandemic them president trump has I do think. This is sort of a last ditch effort given that he sees how unpopular has handling has been I actually thought I watched it. I actually thought it was really good and informative up until the point and excuse me for butchering her name that Epstein Pervert Lady Gasoline I don't know how to say her name up until he said an answer that he. Thought she was like he wished her well and she's a good person this sex trafficking lady, why are you? Again it completely blew up any conversation. We're having about the coronavirus any movement we're talking about when talking about how things are going to get worse before they get better serve seeming to listen to scientists and talk about mass and away we've never. Heard but this is my constant problem with him in this administration is that even when he tries, he steps on his messaging. So egregious lead that was the only thing I was talking about afterward was this weird comment about this woman who's accused of being a pedophile sex trang sex trafficking person with Jeffrey. Epstein and I'm sorry I can't pronounce her name. Glenn Maxwell. In Maxwell right. You. It took him. In days to. Sent his best wishes. To to John Lewis and this woman is sending his wishes to her apparently he says, I wish you well, her well to other of convicted felons. He said it to Manafort. He said to Roger Stone, and now he's saying his alleged sex, a sex trafficker that's who he talks to and a lot of saying his signaling something I. Don't know. I, mean, maybe this to that point I'm not a conspiracy theorist by nature but what what is going on that? You have something nice to say about this person who's being accused of the some of the most egregious crimes human being can be accused of, and there's a lot of conspiracy theories with Epstein and her and their power connection, and it's the first time. I ever thought wait like what is your connection to her which I always thought until this point was nothing. So it's just bizarre, and again we're talking about this I'm talking about this and not the coronavirus. San. That's what's odd to me. I mean I I know that I have a legal note but. Many people are saying that that was some sort of of. Tell for her because he does have the power to pardon. He does have a the Yes. He does have the power to pardon. galet Maxwell because she has been I believe she's been charged with six counts for her alleged involvement with epsteins sexual abuse cases she's being held without bail at at this point she has pled not guilty of course but why would the president of the United States wish her well that really is question? Isn't it? Yes, Lebanese. Something it's not it's. Like. Yeah. Go ahead to correct something I said Yeah, because I said he waited fourteen days to to comment on John Lewis a fourteen hours I get excited and the other thing about him is he says, I, don't know I don't know anything about it. There are so many pictures of him with her do we have to really we ever going to believe that he doesn't know about this story that is not following the story his pictures plastered all over the place with her give me a break also how We. An alleged pedophile pervert I hope she wants jail. If that's accurate, it's not that hard. Does Not that hard. Apparently it is. If you're good friends, we'll be right back. Yet ready. The amazing season of your emmy winning twitter trending do is almost here. Okay. Just wants me now this is the time. The world is watch we so much on the line. This calls for justice if you open your mouth and speak out, that's the way that anything changes we've got a new on it all I liked the meeting with all three of you. You're incredibly smart brilliant woman and it's a privilege to do. Everyone's watching you heard it first on this show, we the people are the ones that has the power. Now, we have all over the country where everyone is protected realist conversation on TV his used that shape America I'm actually the only the second black woman ever elected to the United States Senate in its history happening right here show cures. My goodness that was quite a commercial for show was a brand new season starts Tuesday September eight on. This is going to be good. Still, ahead congresswoman Karen Bass in her plan to get. Mitch. McConnell to honor late Congressman John Lewis by restoring the voting rights act. Welcome back yesterday congresswoman Liz Cheney was in the hot seat at a GOP conference meeting where she was called out for criticizing the president's covid response and for foreign policy. Now, Matt Gaetz suggested that she ought to step down now some called it a pilot but this morning Cheney said, it's a good thing. Take a look on our side of the aisle it's A. Healthy thing for us to have those kinds of debates and discussions. I'm sure we'll have more as things go along but the fundamental point here is that we're unified and making sure that president trump is reelected in November nancy. Pelosi is no longer speaker that we take back the majority in the house and that we ensure that we hold the majority in the Senate. Right so I'm going to start with you signing what do you make of this? I think that if you're reading the articles yesterday, a lot of this was gop versus Cheney and people were questioning her loyalty to trump because she did come out. In Favor of Dr Fao cheesy she endorsed. Senator Massey's opponent during the primary and then she withdrew that endorsement. So she was challenged Alah during the GOP meeting but I think it's more a question of maybe Cheney is reading the tea leaves right she's reading the cards and she realizes that trump is probably not going to win re election, and so people are now jockeying for position what happens in a post? Trump world. What happens if Biden is an office who is now calling the shots in the Senate and I think that is it's what what is happening here rather than let's say all of the GOP against Cheney because she's not supporting trump that is not really the case because if you look at a she votes with trump ninety, seven percent of the time. Yes, she. Was Supportive of faculty. Yes. She was supportive of some of the. She. She went against trump when it came to his position on mask and things like that when it came to the coronavirus but she's been very supportive of president trump she voted not to impeach him. Right. So Megan, there's war to this. You think yes. Yeah. Just a few corrections with Sunny Massey as a congressman from Kentucky and it's about power in Congress not in the Senate and Massey is a member of Congress coalition yet, he's a member of the Freedom Coalition, which is the more libertarian sort of fringe elements of the party is not only to change his opponent, but she gave major money to it and then ended up having to rescind it. And ask for the money back because his opponent was accused of being racist and sexist and a whole host of really disgusting things and what's interesting about the fight yesterday is it started out bringing up this this fact the fact that she had not only endorsed but giving money in a primary, which is highly uncouth. I think it's tacky actually, and if she is aiming for congressional power, which it looks like she may go up against speaker, McCarthy and. Congressman, scalise to do so going forward, diverse coalitions are diverse coalitions and do you know who understands that better than anybody is Nancy Pelosi and she does it very well with the squad and she's at very well with how diverse the Democratic Party has becoming an how far left some parts of it are going and much like the democratic. Party. The Republican Party is filled with different factions and some of those factions are the freedom coalition I can't stand the freedom coalition I don't agree with most things they do in most things they vote for. But it is a family and I actually thought she was out of line by endorsing an opponent and a primary, and if you start this trend where you're going to start endorsing people during their primaries, that is not a way to lead and she's a highly highly ambitious congresswoman I thought she was probably GONNA run for Senate turns out that she isn't and I just don't think this is a way to get power away from McCarthy or school and I need to say candidness, my sister-in-law's in advisor or twos speaker McCarthy just putting that out there. Right. Okay Joy. Do you feel like she's being targeted here. I Don I dunno I find it. So Fun to watch. Gates and Jordan those two lapdogs you know trip over each other to to show their loyalty to the king. You know I it's just fascinating I. here's a woman who votes ninety seven percents she's voted with trump but that's not enough the King of England needs one hundred percent you know I mean it's it's a joke but I agree with everything everybody says especially what you said Sunday is true I think that she and Romney thinking well when when this king is taken down, we might be the new Republican Party I hope. So for the sake of this country that we that he loses and that they do. Emerge. Victorious I hope so. They'll have to. We won't know until we know and that's you know that's why we keep telling people. You gotTA. Make sure that you get out there and vote regardless of what they tell you about voting. You can still do it. It's still part of the thing that makes the country great voting we'll be right back. The view from home is looking a little different these days but this is still the one place in daytime good morning, Santa? Gordon. Thanks for having. The biggest names and news come to be her. There's no show like yours. This is your emmy winning view. and. We're back. You know yesterday congresswoman Alexandria Cortez was confronted by Florida, Congressman. Ted Yoho who reportedly called her disgusting an out of her mind and claiming that. The crime increases tied to poverty and unemployment. He ended the exchange by calling her something. I can't say on TV. which he is denied calling her but he's also apologized for the confrontation. And actually just the whole story is crazy. What do you think is going on here Megan? I Hate I hate this Congressman Yoho is one of the restive Congress people of my generation. I can't think of one notable thing he's done in his tenure and I think the idea that you're going to be going around calling women blank, which can we can't say on? TV. Because you disagree with them or you have a political difference is not only reductive and sexist but I think a lot of the men that are not only in Congress but all factions society if you are a mentally and emotionally incapable of working with strong women, you shouldn't work with. Them I think Ted Yoho should resign if he has such a huge problem I mean he's not running for re election so he's going to be out sooner or later, but I just thought the whole thing was disgusting and I think we all all strong women as every woman knows on this show we're called this all the time. If you have an opinion, you're strong your this word and I'm sick of it I am so sick of it and I disagree with you almost everything but she deserves everyone's respect and certainly the respect of her colleagues in Congress. I think women are not putting up with this. Just not going to do it anymore. You know it's not put up with it. You, think this goes way beyond politics though Tell Tell I've noticed that she. Well I noticed over the years with the that she's been in Congress that she's kind of a flashpoint for the right wing mob they love to go after her for some reason you know as if she's not a person, they use her as some kind of prop to Bangor Bang Bang at her and I think that they're realizing she is a person normally is she a person? She's a very tough tough girl. She's no shrinking snowflake and she talks to people until to the American people men talk and like that, and I don't like that and this Yoho or Yahoo whatever his name. He needs he needs to get his act together and I'm glad he apologize by the way Matt gets who I referred to before. It's a lapdog he actually took sees side this time with you know I mean somebody somebody should take his temperature maybe not feeling well. That's what he says. The thing that we always want from our politicians is that you know they don't have to agree on everything, but they're respectful of each other and that's what you'd expect. Sunny. What's your take on this? Well I was I was actually pleased to see some of the solidarity surrounding Alexandria because she deserves the respect that every other. Congress person deserves and especially that she was accosted as she was entering the capital to vote for her constituents and so I was I was pleased to at least see that but I would agree with joy she has become this punching bag and I'm not sure why that is is it because she's young because she's a woman because she's a woman of color they feel that she is more vulnerable they feel that they can take her on in that way and the fact that she was confronted by a man on the steps of their employer. They are employed. Paid for by tax payer dollars is in my view. Really remarkable. Should he he apologized for it? Yes. But anyone else that something like that at their place of employment would be censured would be reprimanded at apology would not be enough. I don't think this case it is. I think that. Congress has to take corrective action against him. And make a statement that it is not only improper. It is behavior that should not be sanctioned and should be. I. Think. censured. Because of the type of position that they hold. She's also she's. If, she had need him. She had need him everybody would be up in arms but how does she know he wasn't going to hit her you know what I'm saying. So everybody needs to get their their their selves together because you know you come up on a woman now she will knock you out. You don't WanNa mess with Liz. Cheney coach she can beat the benign all those men with creditor same see she can be all behind. So everybody should watch out. She's become such a lightning rod because she is so effective and there are people on the left. The Socialist Wing who are not effective and quite frankly do themselves a disservice but she has broad appeal across the country I think she has obviously higher ambitions and that's why she's such a such a threat and like I said I disagree with her on everything. But this disrespect typically I do think lauded two young women is ridiculous. Yeah it's crazy. We're talking about women. To wish happy birthday to a real another trailblazer Disney legend Ruth. Thompson. Who Turns one hundred, ten today she worked on Disney's. Animated Film Snow White and the seven dwarfs and for so many other women she paved the way for women coming through our industry, and so we want all wish are happy birthday ruthie happy birthday we will be right back. Does California Congresswoman Karen Bass think the sudden rise in Cova cases me. They'll have to close down the state again how would she respond to the president deploying federal agents in California? Cities seed joins the view next. Come on now. The view from home these days. Well, it gives the unpredictable. And that means neither to you. So let's start. This is going to be good, but this is still the only place in daytime. Hello Ladies of the view Martin played where the biggest names have. You heard it first on this show, this is the realist conversation on TV it. So good we the people are the ones that have the power from their homes to is for. The biggest challenge for us you have to say what you're GonNa say and then shut up we're not. As we have the same, we're the view. I love all you ladies. That's how we roll every on ABC. The view is sponsored by indeed. Welcome back California Congresswoman Karen. Bass emission to make sure that the legacy of the late John Lewis lives on by getting the voting rights act restored before November's presidential election, which just may have her, and also her name is one of the names that could be on this ticket we have to say thank you for coming in. please. Welcome. Chair of the Congressional Black Caucus Karen Bass Good Morning. Thank you. Thank you. Today, thanks for having me and you. Thank you you you in and John Lewis were were colleagues France for many years what's what's your favorite memory of him? Actually taking him to an organization that I started in south central Los Angeles thirty years ago because I wanted him to meet two generations of young people that he influenced and I wanted them to tell him specifically the impact that they had had that he had had on their life and that was a really sweet moment. I'm so glad we did that. So congresswoman upholding voting rights was John Lewis's life's work. That's the voting rights advancement act which he championed has been sitting on Mitch McConnell's desk for over two hundred days. Just three months away from the election. As either just sit on it. What what can you do to make sure this bill passes. Well. Really it. Just amounts to public pressure but you know what? We're going to introduce another bill because when we did it before it was before covert now it's even more important because we're worried that a great way to suppress the vote is to make people have to risk their lives to go vote and you know people should be able to vote from home, and so we're going to introduce that also very soon next few days. Congresswoman Bass I have to ask this question. It is rumored that you are on the shortlist to be considered for Joe Biden's vice president. Is there any truth to that? Are you being vetted and what would abide in Bass ticket look like what do you think he would bring to it and I really love a straight answer. I know and I'm so sorry but you know refer those to the campaign I. Wish I could be more forthcoming but let me just tell you that I am so concerned about the way this country has been torn apart over the last three and a half years, and we need to heal this country literally because I am worried that when President Biden is sworn in in January and I don't want to. Take it for granted, but we're going to do everything to get him elected that we could be facing only a depression but how many more people have to die and you know I worked in the medical field for a number of years right at the beginning of the AIDS epidemic and so I empathize number one for all of those families that have lost relatives but also for the hospital workers who risked their lives, and so I am willing to do whatever it takes number one to get him elected. But also to make sure that he has a successful presidency, we have so much to do in this country. Congresswoman of Vice President Biden said this week that there are four black women on his list for potential vice presidential picks I believe it would be a very smart move quite frankly for Biden to choose a black woman to be his vice president given that black women have long been the backbone of the Democratic Party that support has not been reflected in who is representing the constituency in the White House I mean every single a voting block as and demands for representation yet when black women ask for that representation there questioned about it and told that they're asking for too much. Your thoughts. Well, absolutely I mean I would love to see that I heard that to about four women. I would love to see that but you know at the end of the day who knows better who to choose to be the vice president than a former vice president and I'm hoping that whoever he picks that they have a relationship together like we saw with Obama Biden. I. Think that was one of the nicest things about those eight years. It seemed to be such a camaraderie and you know that's not always the case and so somebody who will work with him as A. Good partner and somebody who is willing to take on some of the challenges we face. You know another big challenge that we face is the racial divide because this president from the time he wrote down the escalator, he has attacked every ethnic group. Lately, he's focusing on Asians by calling by saying that the virus was caused by China, and you know there's been this whole upsurge in anti-asian violence, and so the healing that needs to take place in our country is racial healing as well. And you know I wanNA talk a little bit about this crazy virus because the state of California now is is experiencing a surge in the corona virus cases. Yoga city is warning that La is on the verge of shutting down again I. Mean I feel like I know what happened, but where do you think happened? and. How did you get back to that place and what do you need to do to get it to a level that is workable again yeah. You know I think it's so sad especially when you see all these other states who are doing all the wrong things and California did the right things and we did it early we were aggressive on the state level, the county and the city level, and so what they're suspecting now is maybe when we opened up, it was a little too. Soon you know we also have extra problems in Los Angeles. I mean in Los Angeles County on any given day you were talking about over fifty thousand people that are homeless and then you know you also can't stop people from coming into the state. So the the analysis I think is underway but I think the current thinking is that maybe when we decided to open up, we did it just a little too soon. So I, think it's very sad that we might have to close down again. It's kind of outrageous that fifty thousand people are homeless in just that one st in this greatest country this rich only. But. I know but you know trump has decided to bring back his daily Corona virus briefing. and. And I believe this is just a way for him to hold daily rallies. visit can't go out there and he's afraid that he'll get the virus. So he's doing it on television. There was not one doctor there yesterday. So these are not Task Force about the virus at all it's about him but what is he's bringing the briefings back at all. I'm sure that a lot of people and his team have told him it's a bad idea because he always sticks his foot in his mouth and yet he keeps doing it. What would you think is right his join it for well first of all, we know that he fundamentally doesn't believe in science, but also that he just can't survive without adulation and and I know he's not GonNa get adoration from briefing but he will win it is repeated on a particular TV network and when they lavish on the praise I, think it is so sad you know just hurts my heart one, hundred and forty, two thousand people have died. You know I say That several times a day because I think it is so profound and sometimes you know you can kind of become numb to it but those were individuals those families and and the idea that he doesn't seem to be capable of empathy. He is never even made reference to the people and he's also has been willing to subject his own supporters to danger as well by wanting to hold rallies and after every rally what happens people get sick including his secret service. So I think he does it for Appalachian and I think he does it for appellation that's going to take place in the media on Fox afterwards throughout the day in the evening. How Sad Well. There we go and you know what we're not. Let you go. We want to come back because got more questions for you. Okay. Right back. All right. Welcome back, we're here with representative Karen Bass Sunny. Yes congresswoman you've wrote the George, Floyd, justice and Policing Act that was passed in the house but is now stalled in the Senate Senate Democrats rejected the Republican Police Reform Bill that was written by Senator Tim. Scott, we've seen protests across this country for the past month demanding police reform. What needs to be done to make sure a bill can be agreed on by. Both sides is passed and signed into law. Well, most definitely, we need the Senate to act and you know that is one of two hundred bills that is sitting on Mitch. McConnell's that's actually a bipartisan bill. It was no small matter that we had all of the Democrats vote for that bill, and frankly if it wasn't for the hundreds of thousands of people out protesting. That would have happened and we even got a few Republicans two days after trump tweeted and told not to do that. So we are working to get the Senate to bring it up. But at the same time conversations are going on with Republicans I'll tell you I had never had an experience like that before where my Republican colleagues in committee when we were voting talked about everything under the sun but the bill, and so I took that as a positive and they came up to me afterwards and said, you know Karen I really think we can get somewhere on this issue and I won't stop talking to people. I don't care who it is, but mainly talking to my republican colleagues to see if there's something that we can do I did I do have a relationship with a tim we came in together before he went over to the Senate, and so I want to keep the conversation going with the situation like this. As you know, it can take US thirty years or thirty days to come up with a bill. Now, we're only going to be an session for another couple of weeks, but there is still time for the Senate to act are four Tim Scott to come up with a new bill that would be more. Would be better for the Senate Democrats to vote. I don't get a congresswoman We were talking earlier in the show about Congressman Yoho yelling at Congresswoman Alexandria Cossio Cortez and the deep sexism that is not only in politics but still obviously permeates our culture. What do you think about that? You've obviously have I'm sure have some experience with it but why are we still living in time when men still think that they have agency to say such things about women Well I think still struggle with with who we are and our positions and she's so high profile I will tell you the second that that happened. I searched her out winning talked to her immediately, all the women gathered around her and we demanded that there be an apology and so I know that Yoho apologized today we don't think that's enough we're not finished but I want you to know that we all surrounded her immediately as well as a number of the men. I do feel bad for my republican colleagues especially the Republican women because Meghan you know there's only a handful of them I mean there's one hundred, ninety, nine Republicans and there's about maybe fourteen women and so I'm. Doing, legislation right now, bipartisan legislation on women who are pregnant and incarcerated and I went to the Republican women had a really hard time getting them to be supportive of the bill. It was easier for me to get Republican men and so I worry about what goes on in their caucus now broke out a little bit yesterday with with Liz. Cheney. But they especially are not used to dealing with women in the democratic side. There's over one, hundred us, and so the democratic men in we're led by Nancy Pelosi. So the dynamic on the democratic side is a little different not saying it's perfect, but it is a little different than would exist on the Republican. Side it right. At the end of the day, they're still men right. Still men so we all have to deal with men so. Trump deployed federal troops to Portland the other day. To control black lives matter protesters. And just this week, he threatened to send troops to other cities like Chicago, New York, Philadelphia Detroit, and Oakland. Now, some things some people think that maybe this is a rehearsal for him on how he'll try to disrupt the election in November. He's already explicitly said, he may not be willing to accept the results of loses. How feel about that and how can we stop him from continuously sending these troops into our cities for? Only disrupting even further. Well, the problem that we have is that he's a lawless president I mean, we're going to have hearings about it. In several different committees. He clearly wants to be an authoritarian leader but I think when it comes to the results of the election, he can try not to leave, but our system just doesn't work that way. If he needs to be victims, I have full confidence that he would be removed from that Oval Office. Well you know. is going to be an exciting fall. That's all I can think. We think you represented. Him As to see again and keep on fighting a good fight? Back. Well, that's the cell for today. You know, Y'all look good. 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Sept. 29  Rep. Adam Schiff, Rep. Steve Scalise, Fmr. Amb Michael McFaul, and Irans Foreign Minister Javad Zarif

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Sept. 29 Rep. Adam Schiff, Rep. Steve Scalise, Fmr. Amb Michael McFaul, and Irans Foreign Minister Javad Zarif

"In this Sunday the impeachment debate trail of his oath of office betrayal of our national security and betrayal of the Integrity Speaker Nancy Pelosi announces a formal impeachment inquiry as details emerge from a whistleblower about president trump's July phone call with Ukraine's president. It's hard to imagine the more serious of allegations than those contained in the complaint the president saying I would like you to do us a favor though and urging an investigation of Joe Biden didn't as he withheld military. It's another witch hunt here. We go again. Democrats go on the attack. It's very serious. Conduct it undermines the national security sits devastating most Republicans defend the present from my point of view to impeach any president over a phone call like this could insane totally appropriate up nothing that but some cracks emerge I wanNA say the president. This is not okay it isn't that conversation is not okay my guest this morning Adam Schiff chairman of the House Intelligence Committee the number two house Republican Steve Scalise and the former US ambassador to Russia Michael mcfaul plus the politics of impeachment peril for the president and for Joe Biden he will stop at nothing to hold onto power does bein emerge damage or as a more sympathetic figure joining me for inside an analysis Arya Michel Sin or White House correspondent for PBS News Hour Mark Lepage chief national correspondent for The New York Times magazine Presidential Historian Doris Kearns Goodwin and Hugh Hewitt Post on the Salem Radio Network welcome welcome to Sunday and a special edition of meet the press from NBC News in Washington the longest running show in television history. It is a special edition of meet the Chuck Todd Good Sunday morning for anyone on either side of the red blue divide who was frustrated by the pace of the investigation negation ten days in September provided a staggering turn of events. It was just last week. The Washington Post broke the whistle blower story about President Trump's phone call with Ukraine's president immediately support among House Democrats for impeachment proceedings exploded into a majority of the house leaving Nancy Pelosi no choice but to do a progressives had demanded handed and she had resisted for so long announce a formal impeachment inquiry rather than a drip drip. There's been a gusher of bad news for the president since then and it's important to note that Republicans have avoided pushing back on the substance of the whistle blowers charges. There's a lot we don't know at this point. We don't know all the details that could emerge in an impeachment in case against President Trump. We don't know with any certainty that Republicans will rally around Mr trump as they did so comfortably the last time and we don't know whether Mr Trump's faceless charges about Joe Biden and Ukraine we'll make by name more sympathetic or tarnish him to the benefit of another Democratic candidate like Elizabeth Warren but there is something that both sides think they do know that this new crisis is easier to understand and presents a greater threat to the president than the Muller Investigation ever forget we cannot ignore our oath of office to protect and defend the Constitution House Speaker Nancy Pelosi announcing a formal impeachment inquiry after months of resistance following the revelation that the president crusher Ukraine's president to investigate political opponent Joe Biden while withholding military aid it is hard to imagine a more fundamental of use of that office the witch hunt here we go again on Wednesday. The White House released detailed notes from that July twenty-fifth call with Ukraine's president after presidents Alinsky expressed his desire for more military equipment including Javelin anti-tank missiles president trump responded. I would like you to do us a favor though asking Ukraine to investigate the two thousand sixteen election and unfounded conspiracies about Joe Biden and his son presents alinsky raises the question of defensive aid and within minutes the President United States is asking him to investigate Joe Biden. You will stop at nothing and to hold onto power. It's not surprising that I've become the object of his attention on Thursday another bombshell the CIA whistleblower complaint made public detailing and nine pages allegations that the president is using the power of his office to solicit interference from a foreign country in the twenty twenty twenty. US election describing months of contacts between the president's personal attorney Rudy Giuliani whom the whistle blower names more than thirty times and Ukrainian officials and alleging that White House officials attempted to lock down the record of the call hiding it in a highly classified computer system now. There's a cover the cover up by late Friday. How Democrats had already subpoenaed Secretary of State Mike Pompeo for documents and scheduled depositions with five State Department officials named aimed in the whistleblower complaint you willing to testify in front of Congress well? There's a lot of problems with that. I mean would I like to testify until my story sure. There are things that that I can't testify to because I'm a warrior inside the West Wing. There is rising anxiety unease and concern most Republicans in Congress have defended the president when I think of whistleblower blur complaints I think of somebody who saw something that was long and came forward to say so this is hearsay information but small cracks cracks are already emerging. I did read the transcript it remains troubling in the extreme Republicans ought not to be rushing to circle the wagons and say there's. There's no there there when there's obviously lots that's very troubling there and even some trump allies are beginning to question. Giuliani's role is wild as large hair. He's a smart guy I but he's he's he's a free range chicken. I mean he just kind of gets on out there and joining me now from Greenville South Carolina's the Chairman of the House Intelligence Committee the man. It's likely leading most of this investigation Democrat Adam Schiff of California congressman. Welcome back to meet the press. Thank you great with you. let me start with the whistle blowers complaint it. Does I feel as if it is your roadmap. I think you've said it's the roadmap for the investigation. How much of your investigation is about the specifics of what the president did ahead with the aid with Ukraine with Rudy Giuliani and how much of your investigation is about the attempt to keep that from you well? I think really the the gravity of the offence here is the president using the power of his office to coerce a foreign nation into helping his presidential campaign to once again interfere appear in our election and at the same time withholding foreign aid that country so desperately needs to fight off who the Russians that to me is the the most serious constellation of issues and I know that many people have suggested and it may have been true in the past that the cover up is the bigger crime. Sometimes the cover up is the easier crime to improve but here yes the cover up is very serious but I don't WanNa lose sight of that fundamental breach of the presence oath of office the duty to defend our country country our Constitution and here the president is once again not just inviting but coercing a four nation to get involved to try to help him and yet another the presidential election so to me. That's the most serious set of offenses in order to get the full picture. You're going to have to get the testimony of apparently Komo quite a few White House officials there unnamed in the whistle blower report Do you expect to end up fighting over things like executive privilege and attorney client privilege to the point that you may not get all the facts. I have to expect that they're going to fight US tooth and nail but we're going to start. We have the hearing on Friday for example. closed session with the Inspector General. There's a second time we're bringing you. Bring him in now that we have the whistleblower complaint the plane to go through what steps that he took to corroborate the information that complaint what witnesses that he spoke with so that we can follow up with those those witnesses ourselves will the White House fight us on this. I have to imagine they're going to fight tooth and nail and yet even as they do the more that they fight to try why do prevent and obstruct the lawful functions of Congress the more they're going to make a case for impeachment on obstruction of Justice of Congress of you've got the Roy. Is that why you put that in your release that basically you're going to take any attempts at preventing somebody from testifying before your committee that you believe legitimately has some information to shed light on what happened you will treat that as an obstruction of justice we will treat that as evidence insist obstruction of justice as evidence of obstructing the lawful functions of Congress because the president can't have it both ways he can't both prevent us from getting evidence us on these serious underlying crimes who are potential crimes this serious breach of his oath of office and at the same time obstruct or our investigation so even as he tries to weaken our ability to get facts on one. He's going to strengthen the facts on the other. You know the whistle blower yet I don't have you met them. I don't know the no okay no do you windy you expect first of all do you expect the whistle blower to testify and if so when yes and I hope very soon excuse me and I hope very soon all that needs to be done at this point is it's to make sure that the attorneys that represent the whistle blower get the clearances that they need to be able to accompany the whistle blower testimony and that we figure out the list logistics to make sure that we protect the identity of the whistleblower. That's our paramount concern here. This whistleblowers done obviously a cardinal service the country by exposing thing wrongdoing of the most serious kind a breach of the president's duty the country that endangers our security and he's got to be worried about his own security right right now with the president issuing threats like the other day your committee has seen material end up in the White House before and up with the president's team before. Are you confident that your committee can protect the identity everybody in your committee on both sides of the out can protect the identity of this whistleblower from from the ire of the president well. I'm certainly GonNa do everything humanly possible is chair to make sure that that's what happens and yes we have been concerned for some time about back channels between are now minority and the White House and fact the maybe in front channels not just back channels. This is serious business here. The president has suggested that people like this whistleblower should be treated the way that we used to treat spies and traitors and we used to execute spies and traders. There's no messing around here and what's more we WANNA protect this whistle blower but we also Wanna courage others that are aware aware of this wrongdoing or other wrongdoing okay to come forward and that's a vital interest of ours as well. There are three phone calls to phone calls in one meeting reading that the president is had with Vladimir Putin. Actually all of them have taken place since the election of the Ukrainian President Jelenski a phone call a May third the meeting on June twenty eighth and a phone call on July thirty first six which by the way six days after the Zilenski phone call in question. Do you think you'll ever know the contents of that commerce of any of those conversations. I certainly hope that we could find out again. The paramount need here is to protect the national security than I'd states and see whether in the conversations with other world leaders ended particular with Putin that the president was also undermining our security in a way that he thought would personally benefit his campaign. If those conversations with Putin or with other world leaders are sequestered in that that same electronic file that is meant for covert action not meant for this if there's an effort to hide those and cover those up yes. We're determined to find out if you're trying to be a speedy with this investigation while also being thorough. Is there a point where you just have have to you have to wrap things up. You have to be done with whatever you can investigate by a date certain I keep hearing the word Thanksgiving thrown around is that is that the timetable all the public should expect we haven't set a timetable except that we want to do this as urgently as possible we also recognize though the gravity of this situation relation and that is gonNA take some time to get the full facts and be able to flesh them out chuck. I will say this having worked on investigations as a prosecutor Peter Before I was in Congress there is an act natural rhythm to investigation and you get to way points where the next increment of evidence you're going to get may take quite a bit of time and we'll get to those way points. We're GONNA have to make a decision. Do we need to have a consensus now about where we are and what this means that whether we need to travel down the road of articles articles of impeachment or do we have time to do more work. I'm curious what you think of the argument that says no matter where you are an especially if you are there you think the president should me thrown out of office that because we're so close to November twenty twenty that the election is the better place for that to happen. What do you say to those making that argument? You Know Chuck. I was making that argument myself until these facts came to light that this is an extraordinary remedy should only be using extraordinary circumstances but hear what the president has done is such such an egregious character that there's a real risk in not moving forward with impeachment and I think when you look at the fact that the president engaged in this conduct with presidents Alinsky a corrupt on the president's part Linski part the day after the Muller hearing and the lesson appears to have received is that he can do whatever he wants. He can violate his oath of office. He can refuse to defend our constitution. He invite further foreign interference events in our affairs he can try to cover up and they'll be no consequence no accountability and that is simply too dangerous to be left that way and so Oh yes I certainly think that the gravity of the situation demands that we move forward with the inquiry okay on and and we'll have to determine with that also means return of articles we expecting to see Rudy Giuliani testify. I don't want to commit myself to that. At this point. We certainly need to do a lot work to find out what Giuliani has been doing in Ukraine and appears from that conversation that Ukraine president understood what was going to be asked of him on that call and that very likely was the result of work that Rudy Giuliani and some of his minions. We're doing in Ukraine so we're going to need to get to the bottom of it whether it will be productive to bring him in. We'll make make that decision down the Road Adam Schiff the man. That's going to be charged with leading most of this investigation on the House Intelligence Committee. Thanks for coming on in abuse much appreciate it. Thanks Jack Joining we now from Kenner Louisiana is the number two Republican in the house. Steve scalise of Louisiana Congressman scalise welcome back to meet the Presser Chuck. It'll be back with you Doodoo you do an accident on email. We know some talking points that the White House has sent over to House Republicans including the defense that they have is saying there was no quid pro quo in the phone call that that in itself should be enough to stave off of impeachment but I am curious. When you hear the phrase? I want you to do us a favor though and you know again I think the president of Ukraine has the Internet so we knew that aid was frozen. It's how do you interpret it. If it's not a quid quit pro quo. How do you interpret it? I needed to do as a favor though well first of all chuck if you read that sentence what the president is talking about is crowd strike he's talking talking about. The two thousand sixteen is that made with our election better president trump. President trump is trying to look into the interference by Russia so it doesn't happen again and I thought you would want to be concerned about making sure that doesn't happen again. Let me ask you what he's talking about. Intelligence Joe Biden. The intelligence community is own intelligence folks have said it was Russia. That did the hack. He's the only person it seems to believe the Russia didn't do the hack so the crowd strike does that even make no not at all does that disturb that he doesn't believe our own intelligence will crowd strike first of all was the one who got the server and they never shared it with the FBI. They've never shared it with anybody. There's still a lot of information we're trying to find out about how the Russians interfered with our election win. Barack Obama was president and I'm glad president trump continues to look into that interference so it doesn't happen happen again. He's the one trying to root out by the way president. Trump is the one who's been standing up to Russia. They talked about Javelin missiles in that call. President trump sold javelin missiles cels to knock those tanks out that Russia was sending into the Ukraine Obama wouldn't sell those javelin missiles. You might WANNA ask President Obama Joe Biden why they wouldn't sell all the javelin so that Ukraine could stop Russia from coming in with those tanks but president trump did and continues to provide relief. We've given a lot of relief in fact president trump has probably given more help to Ukraine than any other president. Why are it seems as if you endorse the president sort of one man operation here by Rudy Giuliani to go around the government government and try to do his own investigation? I've not understood this if the president doesn't believe the US government's assessment of what the Russians did why doesn't he ask the FBI to investigate. Why is he asking Rudy Giuliani to go? Do you understand. Have you understand that well. You can ask Rudy Giuliani that in the chairman himself said he's not even sure if he would bring Rudy but keep in mind. The chairman said a lot of things made a lot of baseless accusations. Chairmanship is the one who for two years was running around saying he had more than circumstantial evidence that president trump colluded with Russia on the on the the Muller Investigation and that turned out not to be true and so instead of saying okay we were wrong. Let's move on they continue to go down this road of impeachment regardless of the facts and you they've said that there were high crimes and misdemeanors the actual author of the articles of impeachment just recently a few days ago said that if they don't impeach President President trump he might get reelected he will get reelected is what he said. The framers did not put the power of impeachment in the constitution so that you could stop somebody from getting elected elected who was duly elected twenty six. PM It's a high crime and Misdemeanor Standard and they should take that with the respect that it deserves. Let me take the word the word impeachment out of this given what Rudy Giuliani was doing or was not doing. We don't know given what the president may have met with. I would like you to do as a favor though but we don't know is this not worthy of congressional oversight is not worthy of an investigation. Do you want to know what it is. That Rudy Giuliani was doing sort of either on on his own or against the wishes of some people in the government is not worthy of investigation again skipped the impeachment part for a second well. They've been investigating investigating president trump for over two years and the entire way making baseless allegations speaker Pelosi the day before the transcript came out was saying that there were there was gonNA show show that the president broke the law and then they didn't have any quid pro quo all of the things that they were saying they're investigating everything and that instead of by the way we should be moving giving us MCA to get a better trade deal we should be passing bipartisan legislation to lower drug prices. They won't bring those deals to approve of impeachment approve of all this Guiliani Rudy Giuliani this one's in the current. That conversation happened chuck if you'd let me answer that conversation with presidents Alinsky happened right after the Muller report came out after two years of an investigation Rudy Giuliani was the president's personal attorney in in that case so again you can ask rudy what he was doing. I know that what president trump talked about was continuing to find out what happened with Russian interference in the two thousand sixteen election because he has been standing up to Russia and there's a strong record by the way of how president trump has stood up to Russia when Barack Obama wouldn't in job pheasant when they would not stand up to Russia. Do you think it was appropriate for the president to ask a foreign leader for help investigating his chief political rival for twenty twenty again. Go look at what he talked about in that conversation he was talking about the twenty sixteen interference that happened in our election. Look they've been media reports for years. Joe Biden himself bragged long before he was a candidate for president that he went there to to Ukraine and held held the billion dollars back. I'M GONNA leave in six hours unless they fired the prosecutor. My goodness chuck a lot of people have been asking for that to be investigated. You know the the truth behind that. Why are you putting it out there as if it's a Oh my gosh we have no idea what you're what he was talking about that? I mean we're taking something that actually happened that the entire Western alliance support it. This was a bipartisan effort as you know in Congress that supported the alliance support a billion dollars of course there was a lot of corruption in fact. That's why Zilenski got elected with a mandate to clean up corruption he he and president trump are talking about that in the conversation things that both of them are doing to clean up corruption and drain the swamp a look all of this stuff with this whistle blower report. There were a lot of things if you read the whistle blower report that are concerning in terms of allegations that were very partisan in fact the Justice Department or the Inspector General All determined that the whistleblower does have a political bias again. Let let him go forward to make accusations but turned out to to not be true you you every time I've asked you whether you have been if you're concerned about the actions the president took you've avoided answering the specific question and instead focus. Don't they try to infer. Don't you seem to be unconceivable defending. You seem to let me let me put it this way. You seem uncomfortable defending in my mouth okay. I won't let I'll let you finish. I think you've made a lot of statements and accusations. That aren't true chuck. President trump was in the two thousand sixteen collusion interference that Russia had when Barack Obama was president and we all know that happened under Barack Obama's watch y'all love try to tie it to trump and trump continues to look into it. I'm glad trump continues to look into the interference that Russia tried to do you endured have investigation investigation don't go through the FBI go to a foreign government. We this isn't a rise in doing this again. You can talk about Rudy separately. Only the there is no private investigation. There's been a public government investigation into the collusion that Russia had trying to interfere with our elections. We still haven't gotten to the bottom of it. There's still a lot of serious questions that need to be answered so it doesn't happen again. In president trump's continued to be aggressive not only that but pushing back against Russia in many other ways I mentioned the Javelin missiles it's president trump who gave the soul the Javelin missiles to Ukraine so that they can bus those Russian task. I didn't do that by the way after reading that detailed note knock don't call it a transcript transcript. You are comfortable that the president the mixing he appears to be mixing politics and government policy does he not do not wait Russian interference with our election. It might be politics and government interfere with our election. He's rushing in theory yes and in fact he's saying it's not seems to be doing a Russian propaganda thing with saying. It's the Ukraine with the server with the candlestick or something. I what it sounds like. You're reading the Democrat talking points. The people have been saying for years that the president was involved in all these other things and then none of it turned out to be true. The Mueller investigation was their ticket to impeachment shouldn't by the way chuck shouldn't they. I have voted to start an impeachment inquiry which is always happened. This is only three three times in the history of our country that Congress has moved articles of impeachment and they wouldn't even do that. It's like they're trying to shield their members from voting on this just while they continue to go down the drumbeat of appeasement because as the author of impeachment article said he's concerned that the president will get reelected. That's not why you impeach president. We've got an election next year to deal with that. Kaczynski will leave it there the number two in the house. Thanks for coming on and sharing your views much appreciate it to be with you coming up the panel panel and the next steps on the road to possible impeachment but first how small country under siege from Russia became a threat to Donald Trump's presence new for meet the press the Chuck Todd Cast. It's an insider's take on politics the twenty twenty election and more candid conversations some of my favorite reporters about things we usually discuss off-camera listen for free wherever you get your podcast welcome back to Ukraine story is move at Warp speed over the last week and it's understandable if people are a bit confused infused about what president trump is accused of doing why he called the president of Ukraine Winnie did an exactly what role Ukraine plays in all of this. I'm joined now by Michael mcfaul who was President Obama's ambassador Russia and he's the author of from Cold Water Hot. PC US ambassador in Putin's Russia. It's currently a professor at Stanford University a senior fellow at the Hoover Institution. He and I are going to walk you through a brief timeline to at least help you understand how we got to the point where at Michael mcfaul tried to do this the way you spend your days yes yeah up here in front of our slide in front of our slides in front of you. Check it is the phone call was actually the middle. It looks like of this of this controversy. Not The beginning in fact at the beginning goes back to early nineteen when as personal attorney for President Trump Rudy Giuliani starts looking for Ukrainian contacts to help him in Rudy Giuliani's words find out the origins origins of the Muller reported right look for the real hackers potentially looking for some dirt on Joe Biden he meets with a prosecutor general by the name of Lusashenko Sankoh a few times and then he's what is he looking for exactly again. He's trying to pursue a a conspiracy theory that Ukraine not Russia hack the DNC NC and that Joe Biden had a former prosecutor fire simply to help his son walk me through these well. Let's start with Joe Biden and the prosecutor the man before loot Sankoh. Mr Shokhin was the one that we were putting pressure on the administration and everybody else and he wasn't doing enough to investigate corruption including Biden son and so when Lukashenko comes on the scene Giuliani thinks he has a new partner somebody he can go after this story and he does aggressively the second part is a little more cockamamie. They want to build this theory that somehow accompanying called crowd strike. I found the emails publicize them some crew craning in connection which I don't understand and that was a way to help Hillary Clinton when the election but both of those stories Mr Giuliani is trying to find that's why he's engaged with Ukraine well he he he is able to get some of this stuff into the conservative. Mostly through Fox News you see constantly through the month margin on twitter crane Ukraine you know and Biden and what's it's this and all this stuff so creating this predicate that somehow this this matters and then something out of the ordinary happens to their plan April twenty first. I A surprise victor in the Ukrainian presidential election what why did this set them back because the previous prosecutor Mr Lutsenko was there guy he was working with Giuliani and suddenly Lukashenko's boss partial loses an election to Mr all this work done to curry favor with him and he thought was is the president's lead investigator suddenly out to win and he's like who's this Alinsky and what are we gonNA do now. How are we going to keep pushing this story with the brand new president well clearly the president? Maybe maybe needed leverage. So what do they do. They force out the ambassador who had been getting back and forth or Julie. Guiliani Guiliani cancels his own trip to meet with some people people close to the Zilenski then this the ultimate snub vice president pence was GONNA lead our delegation to Zilenski inauguration they yank him and it was meant to send a message July a bigger message. They announced the freezing of the eight nearly four hundred million dollars that was supposed to go to Ukraine. It isn't clear if the Ukrainian government knew it was definitely being frozen over all of this but of course this leads to the phone call on July twentieth which by the way happened the day after mother's testimony Tony to Congress. We think it's worthy of this but all of those actions leads us to I would like you to do us a favor though this was about what what well this is about president trump asking presidents Alinsky to help him find dirt on his political opponents in two thousand twenty. It's it's clear as day in the transcript and there is leverage their whether exactly what they knew I don't think is important. There's always leverage when you're talking to the president of the United States because all leaders of the world wants to have a good relationship with the president it's especially important when you're countries occupied by Putin and you need the leader of the free world to be on your side and when anybody says let me ask for a favor there's no favors and diplomacy. Everything is a quid pro quo everything is you do this. I'll help you well. This triggers obviously asli a whole bunch of concern the whistle blower I goes to his general counsel. CIA then he's worried it's going to get squashed files. The whistle blower complaint the House begins is an investigation. The administration does release the aid to Ukraine very quickly but at this point it seems to be too late and then we find out of course this is is all about Ukraine. What's the what is there any part of this that you think we don't yet know when it comes to the Ukrainian side that will add to the story? I think it's pretty clear cut myself. I don't think this is a case where we need to know lots more details. The president of the United States used his office not to advance American national interest dress but his private electoral gains. The only piece. I'm interested in Chuck. Is What's the Russia angle because just a few days after that call. He's on the phone with Latimer Putin eaten. It sounds like that call has also been you know somehow put on the Secret Service Yep I would love to know what he talked about Putin. We'll ever see any of the communications between the President and Putin that is going to be something. I have a feeling we're going to talk a lot about investment. Thanks for doing this sure thanks for having us when we come back the debate over impeachment analysts next welcome back panelists here Hugh Hewitt host on the Salem Radio Network you Michelle Singapore White House correspondent for PBS Newshour Presidential Historian Doors Kerns Goodwin whose book leadership and Turbulent Times comes out in paperback this week why why now mark leave of its chief national correspondent for The New York Times magazine well doors leadership in turbulent times we did some voter. We talked to a few voters in New Hampshire yesterday just to see how they're responding quickly. You take it with a grain of salt but the comments were interesting. Take a listen a lot of people like trump but they're too scared to say anything because we got some Wackos out there that Wanna a punch in the face of you say you like trump should go through with the process whether it messes with the outcome of the twenty twenty election. I think that's owned mm-hmm ball of wax divided anyway right so moving forward with potential impeachment procedures. I think is not going to to really do anything different. Give us your sort of that historical view. What what what what's happening? Well you know when I look back at the the three impeachments that I've lived through. I mean really only was there for Nixon and Clinton but I feel like I was there with Andrew Johnson. The critical thing is how is history going to regard what the house is doing right now. Will it be like Nixon that the consensus will be afterwards that they had to do this because he had to be held accountable and in the end Republicans Republicans came along and in the end Ford says our long national nightmare is over or will it be like Clinton regarded as a partisan endeavor that boosts Clinton in that case would boost trump trump and doesn't lead to a discussion and the real challenge. I think is the debate within the way they're going to conduct these hearings. They can't just throw around words like abuse so power a violation of oath they have to explain it has to be a giant civics lesson to the country to understand. Why are these things such that these people had to feel the need to try and impeach him now before the election and that's the story that has to be told you have to be just like these people are talking to you if they're successful in making it clear that they think he should be impeached? Somebody he has to be able to tell a story to the person sitting next to them in the bar that has a beginning a middle and and this is why it had to be done if they can't do that and then it simply goes away and as part of the Russian investigation Asian country is going to be more divided than ever before and there's a need for speed you hate to say that there's a need for both speedy thoroughness. Is that possible mark. It's going to be hard. I mean I I think what people do miss here and say everyone's divided anyway if people are in their corners there actually is a middle here I mean the middle is is narrow. It's narrower than it might have been in the seventies these during Watergate but there is a time and I think it would behoove certainly Democrats to do this as quickly as possible although also thoroughly as possible to actually win over maybe a ten percent in the middle of this who are actually amenable to some facts that could potentially change their mind on some things if it stays a fact-finding mission it likely will continue to get support early polling showing the public is open open to this investigation here. I want to pick up on Soviet professor currency which which is I was like ten she's like ten but the most important thing that was said this morning far is Adam shift came on any went full allison wonderland queen of hearts verdict first trial later I believe he destroyed his credibility this morning on this show as a fair arbiter her of this process the other thing about is there enough time is there a middle middle is tired of investing president trump. It has gone on for two years and the the most interesting part of Nancy Pelosi decision to go for a fast impeachment is the implicit but very real concession that the Muller report had no impeachable impeachable offence no obstruction no collusion it's gone they have erased it from the record so Adam Schefters bias and Nancy Pelosi has admitted that Muller exonerated trump. Let's talk about the simple story that Democrats have been searching for for a very long time. The Miller report was a four hundred and forty eight page report that people were confused about now now. They have a sentence. That's about twenty five words that says the president of the United States was trying to get a foreign country to interfere in the twenty twenty election. That's what Democrats have been looking for their entire entire time. The president trump was office and they finally have it here and I think that's why we see representative shift saying that the cover up might be important but the most important thing is what the President President set on the call. That's at the heart of this and I think that's why there's political risk there for both Democrats and Republicans all right. I'm going to get to some of the key players are going to become stars of this investigation they they were these are the folks named in the whistleblower complaint pence Bar pompeo Giuliani Ivanovich the ambassador Volker the special envoy who resigned Friday Sunland and the US Attorney Durham. I want to focus on Rudy Giuliani here amid at guys because it feels like if things get really bad for the president that Rudy is already looking like the escape goat the easiest scapegoat Republicans are ready to turn on him. I wish he would shut the heck up. Republicans sour on Giuliani says the political headline. I think it would be a good thing if he would take a vacation -cation. He's as wild as a march hare from John Kennedy. I'm not sure he's helping the president by being on TV. Every fifteen minutes said Lindsey Graham. I wish he would shut the heck upset. Another Republican lawmaker Ker Hugh Hewitt could rudy be the the guy that everybody concentrates there yeah I don't like I don't like this. Don't impeach the president really bad guy. He's not John Dean and the one thing we have to be careful of is well. He indeed is an object of controversy in score and often inside the beltway he cuts through everything outside of the beltway. So when you go to war and Ohio people we'll hear him and they respect them and they listened to him. I think they hear him because he is everywhere. I mean I think I think what he is emblematic of is he is first of all he is a proxy for the president the personal attorney or you know sometimes they'll he's a free range chicken. Senator Kennedy would say right but he also is someone who I mean the fact that he's out there so much is emblematic. The fact that a lot of Republicans are not comfortable being out there very much. The defense of President Trump has not come to any kind of coherent message and whatever whatever Rudy Giuliani says in a given day becomes the message and he becomes sort of a lightning rod here for when you talk to Rudy Giuliani the issue with that is that he's also talking about all the other people that he says we're involved. He says the State Department called me eakins invited he he basically says here Adam Schiff here more people to subpoena here subpoena and there's this idea that really there's a long list of people that Rudy Giuliani says is part of this even though the mother report might not have been impeachable offenses what you see in the Miller report is a cast of characters. They're trying to mitigate the president's actions or trying to help help them along in the complaint. What are you a group of people who are either trying to help him with which is Rudy Giuliani or trying to mitigate him which is Kirk poker doors? You're going to get the last word so you mentioned something very smart about the Nixon impeachment in the moment. It was very partisan. After it was over there was a consensus you hear Mitt Romney say deeply troubling here Ben Sasse saying let's not get quickly rally around here. Are Those the is that what you're watching for. I think it's really important for the country if this is going to go through that it becomes at least more bipartisan than it is at the beginning and when you do here Republican senators beginning to speak up that what we saw on the face is troubling if more facts come out maybe maybe more people will come to the forward that we don't know who other whitehead officials who talked to the whistle blower. Hopefully facts will drive this forward and you'll see some consensus. That's what we have to hope for four hundred country either consensus that he shouldn't be impeach or they should fulfilling Senate Republicans Aaron a better place to do that. Then House republic coming up how will the push for impeachment in fact the Democratic Democratic presidential race but first we come back part of my interview with Iran's Foreign Minister Trod Zarif Welcome back as a candidate Donald Trump was highly critical of the two thousand fifteen Iran nuclear deal which was joined by China France Germany Russia the UK and the European Union and as president he withdrew withdrew the United States from the accord in May of last year so with the US out of the deal Iran has recently taken steps to enhance its nuclear program in the US also blamed Iran for the attack on Saudi Arabia's main oil facility. Yesterday I sat down with Iran's Foreign Minister Javad Zarif and asked him about the possibility of ever reaching a new agreement with president trump. You imagine you can actually ever cut an agreement with President trump that he has made it very difficult because he has said this was an agreement by the previous administration notwithstanding the fact that this was a Security Council resolution but simply stating that this was an agreement by by the previous administration if I if I were to start negotiating with disag- ministration it took us last time it took us two years to negotiate this time it will take us even more because we know oh how the United States behaved and let us assume that president trump is reelected in two years time is only three years left of the United Night two of the second term of president trump. Do we vase two years of negotiations just to benefit while you sound like you've made the decision. You're not talking. You'RE GONNA wait till there's a new American president either twenty twenty or twenty ornament waiting for that rating for this administration to come to its senses or the future administration you would negotiate with this administration of course we will still with president trump not not a new need. They have to show that Dade respect their signature on this. They showed that they respect their signature. There's no point in negotiating with them. Because you set back precedent you renegotiate gate an already negotiated issue with this administration that is no end to that because tomorrow they can come back to you even the same administration and tell you you this was not enough let me tell you about. US MCA Mexico at about President trump to renegotiate Nafta they reach us MCA mm ca but then president trump says unless you agree to some of my demands on immigration I will not implement USMC so there is no end somebody somebody starts bullying and the more you give to that bully the more it wants well. You can see my entire interview with foreign ministers a wreath including that cyber war comment he made that we released yesterday where he admits that Iran in the US are in an active cyber war his refusal to deny Iranian role in that attack on Saudi the oil facilities all of it is on our website meet the press dot com when we come back and game the impeachment fife a good thing or a bad thing if your name is Joe Biden and then game Let's just cut through all of this. This is the the next four months. Everybody's got the same question politically which is what's job. I look like at the end of this process. Here's Biden dealing with this the first time publicly on Friday my family handle this but I'm worried about all the families and all the lives that are at stake in this election because of his his failure as a president in terms of the substance of what needs to be done theory that the presidential race for now basically freezes in place by Warren but ultimately we're trying to figure out how's this impact your I think there are political risks and their political benefits I've been talking to sources inside the Biden campaign pain and they told me that this week they saw their best fundraising numbers ever since the second week of his campaign. So what you saw was Elizabeth Warren starting to rise in Iowa some polls showing for the first time that she was was ahead now. They're starting to see more interest in their campaign. I'm also hearing that they think it's ridiculous to compare hunter by into Don Jr. which is something that people are starting to do because Republicans Republicans are making the case that essentially you'd say that the President Don Junior's son has been essentially profiting off of the fact that his father is as president and was in the same thing when his father was vice president that said the trump campaign says we also got five million dollars twenty four hours after Nancy Pelosi launched this formal impeachment inquiry so in some ways there's risks everywhere for both parts. Joe Biden doesn't want to be talking about one hundred Biden's business dealings in Ukraine and president trump. It doesn't want to be talking about the favor that he asked on that. Call this a almost if if this damages trump than the only good news Republicans get out of it is to damage Biden with yeah he is definitely damaging to your your question. Yes that is good news. Joe Biden has been devastated by this series in the Washington Post this morning on the landing page not only a columbine me which is a partisan column Tom But an in-depth report about hundred by Ukraine doing what you did with Mike mcfall chronology building on the New Yorker profile and I believe in one standard if there there was enough evidence to use a fiso warrant against Carter page for being an eight probable cause for being an agent or an accomplice before government hundred Biden should have been under the same surveillance from two thousand fourteen forward for the same reasons that he is deeply cooperating with people whose interests are not aligned with the United States abroad. I I I don't I I have no idea how that is even remotely relatable but I will read your call I would put it under the umbrella and he wrote a great column but I would put it under the umbrella of exhaustion. I think as you said earlier I think you said a lot of people are are exhausted from people from the Democrats Investigating Investigating Donald Trump. I would just say people are exhausted. A lot of people are exhausted with everything around Donald Trump. I think that's happened before Ukraine. I think it started started to show up in Donald Trump's numbers. I think this story has put a whole new big pile of exhaustion onto this big big sort of smoldering. Whatever it is Korea you can be pro trump's agenda trump fatigue doors? I think that's true. I think the problem for Joe Biden is that what he had going for him was that he was part of the Obama. Administration Gratien scandal free basically no drama every day and he could return to that normalcy in a certain sense now he's been made part of this drama the benefit fit for because I agree with you the risks and benefits not only the sympathy that people might feel but if this really ups his campaign if he realized I'm finding for my honor and my reputation I'm not just fighting because some electable and he talks to reporters morning gives more speeches and he does less campaign funding and he does what a person fighting for their life does the head of the Nixon Library Bray over here and I have my favorite story over there should Biden give checkers speech should go on sixty minutes with Hunter Biden by his side and take every question interesting. What do you think of a checkers speech could be quite effective could be quite effective? I think he has to deal with it more correctly and then he did the clip we saw this morning my apologies for those of you going checkers speech. which is this goes back to Richard Nixon Vice President in nineteen? I say that because sometimes we'd make these references that we don't do enough of but at that point Nixon accused of something and he uses television for the very first time to become a sympathetic I figure I think Joe Biden could completely benefit from this but I think they're really going to have to explain why Hunter Biden is different from Don Jr. different from from what what people think president trump was doing in his with his children. I will just say really quickly there was a poll out that PBS NEWSHOUR NPR did there's fifty eight percent of people said this would have have no factor in who they voted for twenty twenty all of this so that's. That's some if you're a Democrat though don't you worry about what they'll drop. When the campaign here we go October? That's maybe what they think they finally though as we say goodbye I got a note about Hamilton. Not The musical the man Alexander Hamilton wrote in federalist sixty five of the perils of the impeachment process warning that each side Mike Judge the case based on pre existing biases Hamilton wrote and in such cases there will always be the greatest danger that the decision will be regulated more by the Comparative Strength Parties than by the real demonstrations of innocence or guilt sound familiar luck America. That's all we have for today's history lesson. Thank you for watching. We'll be back next week with federal at sixty six because if it's Sunday meet the press in getting everyone breaking Lester College. Are you afraid of playing with fire. The most trusted TV news anchor in America here in Normandy hundreds gathered to honor the heroes. This is what it means to be American

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Outrage and anger in the wake of another racist massacre

All In with Chris Hayes

43:50 min | 1 year ago

Outrage and anger in the wake of another racist massacre

"Tonight on all in that's an invasion. I was badly criticized for using the word invasion. It's an invasion outrage and anger in the wake of another racist massacre. Is there anything in your mind that the president can do now to make this any better. What do you think tonight pay to aurora worked. Joins me live to explain why he's laying blame at the president's feet. He's not tolerating racism. He's promoting racism bus houlihan castro on why he says donald trump trump is unfit to lead our nation then the renewed call to do something about guns in the wake of a mass killings in texas and ohio and just what it means to us the terrorism label on white nationalist violence america is under attack by lethal violent white nationalist terrorism and all in starts right now good evening from new york. I'm chris as even if there were no blood it would still be vile if there were no body count no deaths to mourn no grieving families know young parents corrupt apart by bullets while shielding their babies. Even if none of that had happened it would still be an existential threat to the america we can and should should be this is an invasion when you see these caravans starting out with twenty thousand people. That's an invasion. I was badly adler criticized for using the word invasion. It's an invasion and it's also an invasion of drugs coming in from mexico okay. It's an invasion of drunk. Even if there were no maga bomber radicalized at trump rallies and sentenced today to twenty years for sending bombs the president's foes the rallies would still be ghastly chilling enterprises were crowds are incited and encouraged given to the worst impulses where they ecstatically desecrate our national character yelling l. ing shoot them while cheered on by the head of state and when you have fifteen thousand people marching up and you have hundreds and hundreds of people and you have two or three border border security people that are brave and great and don't forget. We don't let them and we can't let them use weapons. We can't other countries do we can't i would never ever do that. But how do you stop these people. You can't this. That's only the panhandle you'd get away with that state only independent even if not one drop of blood river shed in pursuit of it would still be anathema it would still be a force to be routed and concord and banished antisemitic screen and what is the it. I'm speaking of well a quarter phrase you know it i know the well of evil from which our president draws and has drawn from the first day when he said mexico was sending rapists the u._s. Presumably with the explicit intent to defile america's women the dark sorcery of racial hatred that conjures invasions and infestations out of desperate fellow human being seeking refuge and exulted hatred a hatred wrapped in a joking not joking smile and a cowardly irony in a pause at the podium what the crowd hurwitz well. It's bil- hatred echoed in the refrain of death squads were criminals and fascist mobs throughout history as they will the club and the pistol and the machete your invaders. You are animals. You are a disease you are a threat to us and you will not replace us talk to you in that group but you also had people that were very fine people on both sides which is why of course if there is is a body count that there is blood on the ground but there's a list of names waiting now to be carved headstones political violence represents a distinctly destablizing threat to the fabric wake of a peaceful democratic society and it can and has come and we should be clear about this in many forms and from many ideologies they've been leftist belts of terror and religious fanatics and nihilistic stickney ex and let's not forget that a man to kill half a dozen republican members of congress motivated appears by his hatred of them their politics congressman scalise barely escape with his life was despicable act rightly and roundly condemned by all but the pattern laid out before us repeated over and over again requires willful full obtuseness to ignore a study conducted by researchers at the university of north texas found counties that are hosted a two thousand sixteen trump campaign rally saw two hundred and twenty six percent increase in reported hate crimes over comparable counties that did not host such a route two hundred and twenty six percent the men who wanted to shoot up a mosque where somali the immigrants worshiped who argued in court. Their actions were influenced by trump's anti muslim rhetoric. The bomber who tried to blow up the president's enemies the synagogue shooter who mused about the immigrant caravan and the jews he claimed behind it the el paso murder who left a manifesto whose main talking points would be more or less unremarkable out of the mouths of the the president's closest advisers or the president himself. Donald trump knows what he's doing. Everyone here's the president loud and clearly when he speaks wchs he tells his followers they alone are the heroes of this country's history that they are threatened by their fellow countrymen and women who live in cities by the desperate mothers and babies and flip flops and he separates great some pens by those who call their god by a different name time and again time and again this nation must answer the question who it is for america erica is four and the simple answer time and again must be it is for all of us. We welcome the stranger we pursue justice we act actors equals in the collective enterprises democracy the president and his party stand on the wrong side of that question right now they have long since disqualify themselves from the support of decent people doing so joining me now twenty twenty democratic presidential candidate mentor work represented el paso in congress for six years a native of that city first of all congressman how are folks in el paso doing and coping right now people in this community. We are so incredibly strong. I was just at university medical center. Visiting with people who have suffered the most grievous wounds you can imagine people who also had family members who were shot family members who unfortunately were killed and the strength the determination that they show show the care that they're receiving from these extraordinary doctors and nurses and frontline staff the love and his community lines around the block in order to be able to donate blood blood to in some way be able to help out our fellow pass wins and in this community of immigrants eighty-five percent mexican american by national community what ends ends is an el paso wins alike coming together in a display of confidence and courage and strength and love in the face of this hatred of never been been more proud of el paso than i am right now. How do you make sense of what happened this weekend there. You just did a wonderful the job of making sense of this for us chris it is that hatred in which the president traffic's the racism that he promotes the violence that he encourages. No one should be surprised. No one should be asking themselves how this could happen in our country. It's very clear in this president's maiden speech as a candidate for the highest office in the land he chose to talk about communities like mind to describe mexican immigrants as rapists and criminals. He did not only welcome the violence against them. He literally sent u._s. Servicemembers thousands of them to the border for what reason to meet kids who had just fled two thousand miles miles for their lives who show up here penniless defenseless as vulnerable as a human being can be he wants you. He wants people. He wanted that killer to be afraid and then to act on that fear and you know what he did. Twenty two people dead now in this community community that has been forever changed but but will not be defined by this because though we have borne the brunt of this racism and this hatred and attack this community also holds the answer answer. We are one of the safest cities in america because we are a city of immigrants and asylum seekers and people from the planet over who have found a home here here in el paso and by their very presence have made a stronger and more successful and more secure than we could have ever been otherwise this. This is the example that the country needs right right now. I don't think the politics here matter that much. I mean what who's got the bigger path of the country but i guess i wonder like so. Are you confident. Do you have bedrock unshakable faith that your vision is the vision of the majority of this country that the rejection of the way the president talks. It is what most americans want here. We very consciously started out two hundred gordon forty-three years ago on the premise that we were all created equal. We consciously chose not to define ourselves by difference or by race or ethnicity or or common ancestry. We've never quite lived up to it but until now until this administration. We never really stopped trying to live up to that. I believe the people of this country. I certainly believe in the people of el paso texas and they are showing us the way right now yes. I'm optimistic and and i'm hopeful whether or not you can believe it in the face of this massacre and this tragedy we are so much bigger and stronger and more confidence than this we see in our differences nothing to be afraid of in fact we don't tolerate we don't respect we fully embrace these differences as foundational to our safety to security to our pride as americans. We're going to get back on track. We're going to reject this president and his racism everyone who traffics in it everyone everyone who is aided him those members of congress who have yet to speak out against this president and draw the connections between his language his rhetoric and the violence that we're using you mentioned in the opening hate crimes on the rise every single year for the last three years. The mosque in victoria texas burned to the ground on the same day that donald trump signed a ban purporting to ban all muslim travel to the united states of america. We know what's happening right now. The people of this country do it's time for their elected leaders to say as much for members of the press to be very clear to stop equivocating. Don't ask if the presence racist you know. The president is racist. Don't ask if he had a role in what happened in el paso he absolutely did now. It's time for us to act. Do you think there's a world world in which there are people who are still supporting the president or persuadable on this who are amenable to the kind of vision that you're sketching about what an inclusive sort of americanised looks like i do and at this moment of such great division when when we are so polarized when when we are being driven further apart every day by this president through this anger and through this fear that he wants us to feel i really believe in our ability to come together to to save from the outset outset. Do not care who you voted for last time for president what party you belong to how many generations you can count yourself in american whether like seven of the victims comes from this shooting you live in su- what is that you're here that you're part of this community that you're a human being. That's what matters first and foremost and we're going to treat you you that way as a travel texas as a travel this country. That's what i see. That's what i hear. That's what i feel. That's what we were going to live as a country going forward. I'm confident confident of it. All right. They told work from congressman. Paso running for president wanted to say that you've been hearing this from everyone but the entire nation <hes> standing with <hes> with the folks down there in ohio as well. Thanks a lot we're grateful much more on this weekend's to mass shootings including the rallying cry to do something about guns what it means to label white nationalist murderers as terrorism and more on what this moment means to the future of our country after this even before the mass murderers is weakened even before this white supremacists committed what is being treated as an act of domestic terrorism has been clear from the first moment that donald trump came down that desk leader for years ago particularly clear in the last few weeks donald trump stood idly biza crowded rally chanted senator back the president's cultivation racist ideology and his racist definition of what the u._s. is four pose. An existential threat to the country's nature should be that's it. It is an existential threat that we face down many times before and at battles over and continue to battle over but this is as much a hinge in history of what the country we're going to be as we have ever had here with me now erica annual chief advocacy officer immigration legal services group races and adam serwer staffer the atlantic who wrote about this very idea today erica what what is the significance reverberation of this moment after what we've seen the president say and do against immigrant communities yeah i mean it was absolutely devastating for a community sushi that not only the narrative of donald trump creating policies against our communities eighties. It is also actually driving actions now from people who really listened to him to really believe what he's saying about immigrants and obviously this person going to the border and doing what he did was specifically targeted towards immigrants. He was very clear about it and so to me. It is definitely right now. How very very urgent that we're changing policies but also that we're start changing narrative and the president needs to understand that what he's saying is going to continue to to change lives then at the end. They also n. Life as what happened just recently announced bustle atom i didn't i didn't play any of the presidency share even mentioned it because it just just seemed to me completely immaterial we know what he is and what he actually believes and you've written about this before that the essence of what the what he has been selling cannot cannot be detached from this particularly racial is vision of who really america's for who belongs here who's being invaded in who the invaders are look. I'm sure the president doesn't actively want people to die but both key and his advisors spent the last month telling everyone who would listen and how brilliant the president's strategy of fomenting racial division was and they can't control how seriously people take that and when you're telling everyone you ah when you're telling your audience is these huge audiences of people both who watch fox news and who listened to the president that the country is in danger existential existential danger because of the threat posed by people who don't look or worship like them then you can't control how people are going to react to it especially when you're up there saying wouldn't it be great if we could just shoot down and i want to stress erica and i'd like to hear your response to this <hes> eh piggy backing up with adam said and what i said earlier even if there wasn't oh violence it still vile like he's calling people in invasion calling infestation like that language is dehumanizing unacceptable able on its own detached from whatever deranged people do with it or violent people do with it like that to me seems fundamental to the understanding of at this moment in terms of when you talk about what has to change absolutely and this is a psychologically damaging to our community until you that as undocumented person. I've been afraid most of my life that meaning the u._s. You know my family has been really afraid for a really long time. Even before donald trump was an office but right now i literally have feared for my life life. I've known community members who have feared for their lives because of what has been said in those rallies because of exactly the conversations that have happened in the <unk> fortune in h._s._e._n. Gone screen shots of people who are on an on an talking as you know anonymous about what they're going to do to me or they're going to do due to activists and dreamers is to me right now. Really we are scared for early lives more than we are even scared you know for our families to be deported in is just beyond beyond beyond devastating absolutely just can't i don't even have the words to describe what i feel right now. There's also of course adam. The the president may be a senior figure in his rhetoric but the party that supports him. We see them object sometimes when he does things they don't like they just killed someone who kill the nomination of someone who's gonna be the head of the deny a managed sort of strike that down <hes> they don't do that about this more or less <hes> this core way hey that he interacts with and speaks to the base of his party. Look there was something really encouraging. We saw the past couple of days. Which was we saw a a lot of conservative figures and conservative media outlets condemning white nationalism and completely unqualified terms and that's good but the problem is that the senate haven't changed as long as the republican party seize the path to power through scaring the crap out of white people and fomenting this kind of racial division. This problem cannot be solved. It's also the case eric that that the underlying ideology here that drove this person <hes> by his own accord our to commit this atrocity was almost the almost banal and how common it is in certain conservative republican circles about demographic change change in about how it's going to be bad for the folks who were here because there will be new people here. Yeah we need to change the narrative in both parties to be honest with you. I think it is it. It is very clear that what happened in el paso is to me is just can't believe that the safest city one of the safest cities in the country is <unk> out the border and was literally terrorized by a u._s. citizen with a u._s. Bought weapon in to me is at this point. We need to start rethinking what we're talking about. Border security rethinking and re framing how we're talking about the marine committee in both parties and of course republicans have had a worse but i would invite he also the democrats especially those who are running right now for for office and for the presidential campaigns to start thinking about how they can best reframe and change the narrative of butter communities all right erica and deal and adam serwer. Thank you both thanks for having presidential candidate in texas native julio castro join me talk about the toxic white supremacy says is brewing throughout the country. We are not in the habit here of quoting the words of a mass murderer hoping to get attention for his vile 'cause through that murder but it is almost impossible look at his documents so called manifesto nazi views that are essentially at the core of the current trump's this moment a belief about where each party stands on the question immigration. Here's the shooting suspects read on things quote so the democrats are nearly unanimous with their support of marin while the republicans are divided over it at least the republicans. The process of mass immigration and citizenship can be greatly reduced joining me now is fully on castro twenty twenty presidential candidate former mayor of san antonio texas it says what do you see as the stakes and the battle lines the fundamental one here in this moment in the wake of what's happened in the wake of the president's rhetoric about immigration immigration in this country. What is the simple clear choice to your mind that americans have to make a fork in the road. We're going to go down the path of either improving as a country and being a country that welcomes immigrants and people people that folks he has different from themselves that continuous improvement that this country has been part of since its founding or we're gonna go backward to a country that is fractured where somebody who's not like you is seen as the other especially recent immigrants. That's the choice that we need to make aac in the united states and as long as donald trump is president. This is not going to stop so with regard to immigrants or really whether we're talking him about immigration lines faith lines race ethnicity. It is his political strategy to divide us as americans but the good news is as we get to choose whether or not we're going to go down this path and i think i think you asked this question earlier chris that i they have confidence that the hatred in the heart of that shooter by no means reflects the vast vast majority of the people <unk> out there about a year ago on father's day. I went down to mcallen texas to join activists who were protesting the family separation policy at the earth <unk> processing center where they actually separate families and the families are the activists that were there were of every background and different walks of life in different parts in the country. We actually have values of compassion. Understanding respect for one another that i believe are much stronger no matter what the color of one's skin is or their background background than the division that this president is trying to fan the flames. I'd like you to respond to a critique. I've heard of you specifically in the democratic party recently in the wake of debates because it relates to this idea where where is the majority of americans. We're we're we're kind of democratic majority martialed for something that doesn't look as ugly as this <music> and people have criticized you and for democrats arguing over decriminalizing <hes> unauthorized entry which is currently a misdemeanor federal misdemeanor and you propose to to be a civil infraction other questions about immigration policy and they say that you're bringing the party outside of the mainstream away from that majority going to do damage to it and i'm curious what your response <hes> that i disagree completely that <hes> the fact is what i've proposed basically treating these things as a civil matter is the way that that was done from one thousand nine twenty nine until about two thousand four this is the way that it was don don under reagan under george h w bush under bill clinton so this is not anything that we haven't done before we can still have consequences for people who across over the border it would still be illegal to cross over the border. They're just not would not be this misdemeanor attached to it. That misdemeanor is what this this president trump has weaponized to incarcerate migrant parents and separate them from their little children and i've said that i'm going to guarantee that that it does not happen again. In the future administration the president today <hes> seemed to indicate and i don't think anyone should take the super seriously. It seemed quite tossed off that there there will be some deal. Maybe we'll do immigration reform and something on guns merola up together and i guess there's a fundamental question. Is it possible to do an immigration ration- deal with this president with stephen miller working in the white house. Is that even a possibility to be considered look. I think that anybody who wants to actually make progress on an issue. You always have to keep an open mind even sometimes if that seems like we've we've that seems impossible or ridiculous or it'll never happen. Look it. We're really working for the benefit of people out there. Show me what you're proposing now. Do i believe that that's going to happen given the bigotry of this president and the people that worked for him like stephen miller no but you know have have stranger things happened in history sure what we need to do. Though in the meantime is as as people here in the united states and we need to continue to push politicians to try and work together to fix our broken immigration system whether they're democrat or republican and to do it with solutions that make sense for this country country and for the people who are fleeing desperate circumstances who are seeking a better life generations did before them. I believe that ultimately in two thousand twenty one when we have a new administration and we have a democratic congress and democratic senator that we can get immigration reform done. I only on costra twenty twenty any presidential candidate. I really appreciate you taking a little time out tonight. Thanks kara dylan had the renewed calls to do something about guns following the deadly suiting in texas and ohio next yeah. This is seen individual in dayton ohio yesterday in the aftermath of the mass murder on the streets of that city republican governor mike dewine who has was endorsed by entering last year getting shouted down by crowds of people want him to do something could gun violence in the wake of the shooting that ritualized mass slaughter by guns. It's so common now in american society from police to politicians just everyday citizens they all have. We all have expectations about what happens during them. I am and what happens in the aftermath. The n._r._a. Has a game plan to lay low and try to wait out the nation's anguish blame mental health were video games or anything other than guns guns and then pressure lawmakers behind the scenes and in front of them sometimes to oppose gun safety measures that strategy is largely worked. Something is different though this time and and it's this sierra while still incredibly formidable is at its weakest point organizationally in decades as he battled between warring factions combined with a corruption scandal have plunged the a group into open turmoil joining me now robin thomas executive director of the giffords law center to prevent gun violence and i i guess let me start by asking that question. Do you think the situation the n._r._a. This scene factional dispute different entities accusing others of stealing and corruption and this sort of institutional implosion in happening does that matter in the political strength that the movement to a for sure max gun maximalism at this moment. I actually think it is important. Because what you're seeing is the integrity of the organization. They've really rested on this concept that they have sturdiness they represent the will of gun owners and those of us who are involved in this tissue that that's simply not true not only do they not represent the will of gun owners. They definitely don't even represent the will of n._r._a. Members who they represent are gun manufacturers and the gun industry and the lobbyists the leadership way not pierre and his cronies not only are fighting for something that is on behalf of selling more guns based on fear but apparently apparently and we've suspected this for a long time. They're also enriching their own pockets along the way they're under investigation by the new york state attorney general. There's an f. b. C. complaint against them oliver. North scandal was a big issue. The doesn't surprise me. These are not people who have integrity and so it doesn't surprise me that this is what they're doing behind the scenes in the case of the shooter in dayton <hes> one of the things that's so striking there and we don't really know what the motives are if we will ever learn them in the case las vegas kind of ever did just match burger in this case the unbelievably fallacy in such a short period of time. I mean the latest reports indicating. The police may have neutralized him. <hes> shot him stopped him within thirty seconds of the first shot to thirty seconds in a minute. You have nine deaths. I believe more than a dozen <music> injured. I think there's some instinct that this shouldn't be possible. The types of lethal weapons available to civilians in in the united states is truly astounding and when you talk to folks in the military or law enforcement they're pretty clear that these are not the kinds of guns but certainly should be this easily available all two civilians without proper training without any background check. That individual had a hundred round magazine drum. It's the same kind of drum to what was used in the aurora. Were theater shooting. It's incredible that a civilian not a time of where these guns these really meath assaults assault weapons and these kinds of magazines shouldn't shouldn't be in the civilian market and really you're even hearing that from from folks across the country that we need to do better to regulate salt weapons and to regulate magazines. Is there a police gun gun safety groups that yourself sort of fighting so hard for these small incremental changes for so long. It's still hard to kind of break the damn of n._r._a. Resistance do you think there are folks inside your movement who are saying let's think big like cory booker for instance proposing a national essentially licensing system right like car license since for all guns which is utterly anathema the n._r._a. What do you think of that idea. Where do you think about the sort of scope of the ambitions of moving part of our right now. We should absolutely he be thinking and talking big. We should be talking about comprehensive reform because that's what it's gonna take to actually address this issue. That's what has been done in other countries and that we've seen having tremendous difference even in states like california where we have thought big on we've passed comprehensive reform and we've driven down gun violence year over year over year to one of the the lowest in the country so we should definitely be thinking big yet. We have to start with something and that something should be the universal background check law that was passed by congress earlier this zere that'd be a great starting point and then we need to keep going. I love that these new democratic candidates are talking about comprehensive reform because that is what is actually needed that was passed by the house. It's sitting for the senate to take up mitch mcconnell. Thus far won't take it up. Chuck schumer and others have called for him to call a special session and comeback pass. That probably towns. Thank you very much. Thank you coming coming up what it means the d._o._j. To treat passer shooting as an act of domestic terrorism the justice department is investigating the mass shooting in el paso texas is a case of domestic terrorism which is rare for these kinds of events for years people have been touting the fact in both the rhetoric and the actual institutional nature of the f._b._i. And the nation's natural security architecture that there is a category terrorism that is inherently it seems seems linked to muslim extremist jihadi views that other forms of extremist political violence have done by white people in pursuit of white supremacy does not get that label and the institutional infrastructure behind it while this is happening. We are seeing all sorts of metrics jesting that there has been a spike in right wing violence according to the anti-defamation league which keeps track of this kind of thing extremists related murders spiked thirty five percent between twenty seven two thousand eighteen and last year. Every one of those murders was carried out by a right wing extremist back back in two thousand nine and domestic terrorism analyst department of homeland security warned about this in an eternal report. He faced enormous backlash from conservative media and republican lawmakers hours after his report was leaked to the press d h s then caved to political pressure rescinded the report and the unit looking at right wing extremism was disbanded he left the department of homeland security went on to write a new book called hate land long hard look at america's extremist at former domestic terrorism. Analyst darrell johnson joins me now giving your history mr johnson given the fact that you wrote that memo in two thousand nine and went through the backlash. What are you thinking now as you watch what we're seeing unfold over the last you're so we'll thank you chris. It's very disheartening year. After year. We have these attacks and yet our legislators and government officials seem to have their heads buried in the sand about this issue so when i see these things happening it's the new normal now. These attacks have been happening practically every month and what are the trends that were you. What were the trends that we identified in my report. Yes exactly yes so we basically basically back in two thousand seven postulated what if barack obama the first african american to run for president got elected and we knew that this this would be a recruitment and radicalization tool used by hate groups to basically swell the ranks and begin conducting violent attacks so that report in two thousand nine was actually really a predictive analysis that warned of a coming threat and yet what we've seen we've seen under bill clinton for instance activated right wing thing <hes> extremist violence famously timothy mcveigh and then several militia groups but what we've seen as in some ways a little bit of the inverse of what you predict it right that <hes> these groups would rise up as in a sort of oppositional stance but it seems that the sort of explosion of the number to believe in this kind of violence and organization. It's actually happening under donald trump. What's your theory for that. Yes so typically under democratic administrations is where we see the rise of hate groups and anti-government groups because because they fear pending gun legislation or expansion of minority rights so typically during the republican administrations we have a dial back of right wing extremists premiss activity because they don't have to fear these things <hes> so what's the difference is the fact that we had a very hostile two thousand sixteen election campaign campeign and we've had extremist ideas that have been mainstreamed by the current administration <hes> there was a demonization of any opposition russian and dehumanisation of people that are viewed as opponents to the administration and so these types of things kind of kept this momentum going and has given given these groups kind of a green light to continue operate and can conduct act of violence. I wanna ask about the controversy over that. I report and try to make the sort of best good-faith the argument for some of the backlash which is the first amendment is it protects people's political views. It's not a crime or illegal to have to hold us even if they're utterly odious <hes> for instance <hes> neo nazis and white supremacists. That's all protected by the first amendment and that crimes are committed through actions. There's something dangerous this about government surveillance of people for their political views. What's your what's your response to sort of the best faith version of that argument you gotta remember these violent ideologies geology even though they're protected by the first amendment they bred long histories of violence so just the fact that you embrace is white supremacy. You're already halfway to an act of violence. All your lacking is that trigger a catalyst in your life so we had an equation when i was an analyst that said capability plus ten equals threat and the capability part is the large arsenals weaponry that these people have at their disposal. The intent comes. It's from the ideology gives them the scapegoats to target it gives them the justification that violence is a acceptable form to avenger grievance. Ideology does play a very important role and we need to understand that but at the same time you don't investigate people just because of their ideology all right darrell johnson. Thank you so much for sharing your expertise with us tonight. Much more of the question of domestic terrorism and white nationalism next for years as white supremacist political violence has increased people have called for the u._s. To name these acts as terrorism the same way we use the term for say isis inspired attacks but i think it's worth asking is terrorism. The conceptual legal and institutional framework that we want to expand and utilize hasn't the use of the term often lead abuses is giving this government bisa administration <unk> tools of that kind going to result in the outcomes. The country wants opt for more on this inherent tension joy mehdi hassan columnist the intercept hopes of the deconstructed podcast and m._s._n._b._c. national security analyst frank figliuzzi former assistant director of counterintelligence for the f._b._i. And frank let me start with you because i've seen a few interviews you give it on this. What is the significance and importance sort of tangible concrete way about the designation nation of terrorism to the act committed in el paso and why is that a good idea well. I'm not necessarily advocating that. It's a good idea but i am applauding the fact that we are finally at least labeling something because it's an ideology that leads to violence so terrorism terrorism is all about ideology as motivation and finally we have a recognition that this individual and others like him are motivated by ideology geology not simply by wanting to kill somebody for the sake of killing. Somebody and i think it's a healthy discussion that we need to have as a nation because we're getting to the heart you of free speech and privacy. There's a reason why we don't treat domestic. Terrorism like international terrorism and we need to get this figured out so if you told your local chief of police that there was a house on the corner that was allowing drug sales to happen there. The chief of police would probably put it under surveillance. Maybe send an informant and maybe using undercover technique we don't do that. Their houses on the internet sites chat rooms blogs where people are having discussions that are poised to commit violence and even saying they are going to commit violence yet. Law enforcement isn't present there and we need to figure out how to make that what happened while maintaining our free speech rights. That's a great point and it's sort of cuts to the quick care medi. I mean h chan of course there's been. I think three of these sort of murderous. I manifest is posted there. It is clearly environment in which in certain rooms on that place people radicalizing to other they're urging each other towards really heinous acts and sometimes those hacks are becoming reality. What do you think about the sort of category of terrorism here and the and the civil liberty concerns chris. This is why i love doing your show show because you are such important question really asked this question yeah and it's so important to every one of these attacks because muslims minorities people on the left we look at what's been going on and we say when is someone going to label. These people terrorists because the double standard is so frustrating we look at the media coverage and say why you not covering this stuff we we'll look politician to a passing laws only aimed immigrants or muslims or mexicans. Whatever and there's a great frustration they do something about frank is right to say we need to recognize the ideology behind in these guys having said that of course as you point out. Do we really want to import some of the worst practices from what's happened to us government. I hear people saying on my side of the argument. We should turn we should deal with domestic terrorists. The way we deal with international terrorists and the problem with that argument of course is that the way we dealt with international terrorists was included invading occupying afghanistan invading and occupying iraq opening guantanamo bay bringing the patriot act and mass surveillance and carrying got massive discrimination against muslim communities and violating human rights and free speech that we don't want to replica. I'm assuming i'm betting frank doesn't want to write some of the abuses from from the war on terror in terms of war on far right tara what we want though is some consistency and we want someone to take the white nationalist problem serious right. I think vilo agree with both those points. I mean i to your point about sort of the concerns about state overreach and some of the things that we've done in the war on terror. Frankly the president talks today sort of mentions as an offhand about about being able to involuntarily commit people who are struggling with mental health issues now again. There's some obviously some conditions. I think that probably makes sense ends but it's extremely aggressive power for the state to have it used to be a lower threshold that we have now the threshold we have now which is higher i think generally he's more in line with our values and civil liberties but that's a that's a tough question frank right like that's uneasy live. Our nation is very good at knee-jerk reactions reactions we we can mass resources and swing the pendulum whenever we need to and we did it in nine eleven and most of it was positive positive but there were abuses but we gotta listen to law enforcement to and they say they don't have the investigative tools in their tool kit to address this and that's what they're telling us right now now so congress needs to actually get this done and figure out the supreme court once said you know obscenity when you see it well. We all know violence silence when we see it if somebody says they're going to shoot somebody this weekend. That's a problem. The problem is how does law enforcement see it. How do they position themselves to see if it's happening within a private chat room well and there's an interesting other way of dealing with this method that i that i thought it was always. We're watching this unfold h._s._e._n. You know the cloudflare. Which is the this web service that was providing kind of cybersecurity for them. Stopping them from de de dos attacks and things like that. We're not gonna do this anymore. The head of of came who founded it said not the head of the founder of like shut it down there are private actions and private pressures that can be brought to bear that are not the state where you just say look with this is not the government coming in this is just social society being like a decent person shouldn't be associated with this of course the role of politicians. They're all of the media. The role of financial institutions institutions and banks are involved in stuff. You'll corporation. All of this stuff needs to be looked at but again that requires us to i recognize the problem and that's where franken one hundred percent in agreement at least now we're starting to see a lot of people say it's a shame so many innocent people had to die for people in our country for people in this country to start to open their eyes to this threat is here and this is a new threat. It's been around for a while into darrell johnson before the break who was talking about this threat in two thousand nine the presidency yeah exactly and even even oklahoma city. If you remember right wing went out and said it's muslims before we timothy mcveigh supposed things have been around for a while ignoring the white nationalist threat and exaggerating the muslim threat. Maybe now we can start some kind of re bouncing. Mehdi hassan and frank figliuzzi was great. Thanks a lot that does it for all in you can catch us every weeknight at eight o'clock on m._s._n._b._c. 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White house official congressman cedric richmond of louisiana and republican senator kevin kramer of not code plus the cove explosion more safe than i ever seen in my life and they just drop so fast daily case records being set your in an utter emergency here. A quarter million americans now dead. The trump administration refusing to confer with the biden teen. We are in a very serious situation but we can't do something about it but vaccine help is on the way that seems those between these two vaccines to about twenty million during the month of december. This morning you'll hear my conversation with dr anthony fauci and we'll talk to months f- slow head of operation warp speed joining me for insight and analysis are nbc news. Chief white house correspondent jackson any glut junior princeton university anna palmer senior washington correspondent for politico and john bon horns editor of commentary. Welcome this sunday. It's meet the press from nbc news in washington the longest running show in television history. This meet the press with chuck. Todd good sunday morning and the days immediately. Following joe biden's victory. It was easy to dismiss president. Trump's reality denial as working his base or just a tantrum or some sort of strategy for his post-presidency but now his antics are looking less like a fit of pique than an assault. On our democracy in recent days we've seen president trump and his allies pressure republican state. Legislators to overturn the election. Choose pro-trump portion instead. Trump lawyers spin baseless conspiracy theories about voting machines dead dictators in venezuela and a national conspiracy to rig the election that somehow members of both parties participated in mr trump fired. The cybersecurity official debunked false claims that the election was stolen and president trump himself tweeted blatant falsehoods about nonexistent. Voter fraud glued last night. Explicit call to state legislators to overturn the election at the same time. The president is denying biden's transition team access to information that would allow the new president deal with the cova crisis on day. One among other things simply put that decision could be costing lives in a country where more than a quarter million have already been lost. Mr trump's efforts to turn a legitimate defeat into a fraudulent victory appear headed for failure but he may succeed in undermining confidence in us elections and in kneecapping the incoming administration. And perhaps it's the motive but ask yourself. Is this the nineteen fifties or the eighteen fifties the nineteen fifties when we overcame mccarthy era crisis and eventually pulled together as a country or the eighteen fifties when the nation broke apart. I'm confident he knows he has one is just outrageous. What he's doing. President elect joe biden stepping up his criticism of president. Trump's effort to overturn the election results. Big pharma ran millions of dollars of negative advertisements against me during the campaign which i won by the way but find that out by mr trump tends to make his legal efforts appear anything more than a pr campaign aimed at de legitimizing biden's presidency and building his own post-presidency brand are failing in georgia. On friday republican secretary of state. Brad ravensburger certified biden's win after a recount numbers. Don't lie a secretary of state. I believe that the numbers that we have presented today are correct and though the president summoned michigan lawmakers to the white house on friday after the meeting they said in a statement that they would follow the normal process in certify the vote results while the president and his allies are ripping at the fabric of the democracy in any way they can. The fabric is not tearing. it's holding. I also this week. Mr trump fired homeland security official. Chris crabs who challenged his false claims of voter fraud like a loyalty purge going on in the last month in the white house. I disagree vehemently. With his firing of the thirty six election lawsuits the trump campaign republicans have filed twenty four have been denied dismiss settled or withdrawn and none has found a single instance of actual fraud most of the republicans. I've spoken to including the governor's think this is ability. It's not a sense horrible message about who we are as a country still. The republican party's responses largely been to accept and to encourage the president's attempts to overturn the election results. Just three republican senators have publicly criticized the president senator mitt romney. It is difficult to imagine a worse. Undemocratic act by sitting american president. Senator ben sasse wrote that. The president's lawyers have repeatedly refused actually alleged grand fraud because there are legal consequences for lying to judges and susan collins condemned the attempt to pressure state officials but overwhelmingly the nation's top republicans have been silent or encourage the president's unparalleled effort to steal an election. He lost by more than six million votes and by an electoral college margin equal to his two thousand. Sixteen win stacey. Abrams challenged the results in georgia. She was an american hero when donald trump's going to court. He's a dictator. I'm tired of this crap. We're gonna fight back georgia. We're gonna fight back everywhere. It's an assault on our democracy. It's outrageous it's bad for donald trump. it's bad for the republican party is bad for the country and our standing in the world. Joining me now is the incoming director of the white house office of public engagement. It's congressman for a few days longer. Cedric richmond of louisiana congressman richmond. Welcome back to meet the press. Alright tomorrow is certification day in pennsylvania. We got the lawsuit thrown out last night. Which basically was the last legal path that he had in pennsylvania. If you follow the president's plan to try to get to two hundred and seventy it doesn't work without pennsylvania if tomorrow is not the day that gsa turns the keys over. What does the biden transition team do. Congressman richmond. looks like we have An audio issue there with congressman richmond. We're going to get that fixed so we are now going to swap or and hopefully My next guest republican senator. Kevin kramer of north dakota is ready senator. Gramer as you can see there. We had a little bit of issue. I let me make sure you can hear me. Okay senator welcome to meet. The press is good to be with you. I can hear you fine and hope you can hear me. I can hear you just fine. Let me start with Sort of a form of the same issue here. But i'm gonna use senator pat toomey your republican colleague from pennsylvania. Here's what he said last night. After the decision came down to essentially throw at the president's lawsuit and pennsylvania with today's decision by judge matthew brennan a longtime conservative republican whom. I know to be a fair and unbiased. Jurists to dismiss the trump campaign's lawsuit. President trump has exhausted all plausible legal options to challenge the result of the presidential race in pennsylvania. I congratulate president-elect biden and vice president-elect kamala harris on their victory. Do you concur with senator to me that it is now over a chuck first of all. Thanks for the opportunity to be with you. And i do not although i think it's very likely that said i think we again. I don't know why we're so easily offended by a president. That's carrying out his legal options in court not enhancing the courage in any riots or burnings of buildings or beating up of democrats coming out of democratic meetings or events. It's just a simple legal processing. Really there have not been a lot of evidentiary hearings that have involve the trump case. There been other hearings. I noticed that you used a number. That was rather large of cases that have been thrown out or dismissed but when it comes down to actually looking at evidence there have not been many if any and maybe the pennsylvania. When was the first one. I think everyone calmed down a little bit. I don't see this as an attack on our democracy. We spent four years listening to news shows and liberals Discrediting trying to discredit the trump administration to the point of spying on them. By the last administration forty million dollars spent on on a independent counsel that started with no evidence and ended proving that there was no evidence and then of course this this crazy impeachment. So i think i think what we're experiencing now Everyone just just relax and let it play out in the legal way. We'll be just fine. You've implied that there's no damage being done just now in those comments so you believe. There was this spectacle. Yeah well i want to ask you. The spectacle rudy giuliani on thursday using the headquarters of the republican party. I mean at one point. One of the lawyers accused a dead dictator of somehow. Being a part of this i mean. Are you really saying that. The president is is. You're out there saying the president's not encouraging somehow any any way of sort of being disorderly about this how is that not encouraging disruption and disorder. Your he's accusing. The entire system of being corrupt is that not undermining the democracy the first of all what they're claiming is that there's a lot of evidence and they're presenting that evidence in cases now it's up to them to present that evidence check obviously and we've yet to see a real hearing where evidence was presented and and they're not obligated to present it at yesterday or tomorrow although the sooner the better from my perspective. But i'm just speaking strictly now from this attack on democracy as you call it. This is these are legal systems this these are processes that are in our constitution in our laws and they're not just appropriate but they're really an obligation frankly to the millions of americans. President trump is a reflection of. I know a lot of people like to think that we're the reflection of him. He's a reflection of millions of people that want to see him. Fight this to the end now. There has to be at chuck. I agree there has to be done. I frankly do think it's time to pass pastime to start a transition to at least cooperate with the transition. I'd rather have a president that has more than one day to prepare. Should joe biden ended up winning this. But in the meantime again he's just exercising his legal options. I just want to confirm you believe that the head of gsa tomorrow morning at this point to say the transition needs to begin. It looks like joe biden is going to be the apparent winner. Yes there's more to go through if this is what the head of gsa said yes. There's still more to go through but it looks like joe. Biden's the apparent winner. Let's allow the transition process to begin. Should that be what happens tomorrow morning. It should happen tomorrow morning because it didn't happen last monday morning. I just think you have to begin. That process give the incoming administration all the time. They need now. I will also say this. I think that Vice president biden has been a bit over dramatic as it relates to operation warp speed and the distribution of the of the vaccines and things. I mean. none of those things are secret. The military is in charge of operation warp speed. The military still going to be there after the election but there are lots of other things And i am for my staff. Were well over a week ago that they add to cooperate with any transition outreach because we want to be prepared we have to the government to run regardless with the president. Is this a concern. You that on so many and i'm sure and i'm curious what happens when you have your own constituents that say to you senator. I know this was stolen. I just don't believe it. what are you gonna. What is it gonna take these two to tell those folks. Your constituents in north dakota look. I know you don't like the results but it was fair and square. That's a great point. That's a great point. That's where leadership really does have to step in and where you have to both be attentive to them. And then use your circle of influence. And i think what it's going to take. Chuck is for all of these legal avenues to be exhausted and that at some point we start preparing for another election. There's your monologue illustrated a couple of times in our history when there have been challenges and The good news is that our republic is very resilient you do realize that in this century there have been four closer presidential elections two thousand two thousand four two thousand twelve two thousand sixteen. Believe it or not the popular vote win. Here biden is even larger than barack obama's was over mitt romney. So at what point does this undermine are. You heard governor larry hogan. isn't that coming from member. The media is a republican who thinks undermining the look of america the world. Yeah i know that. A lot of people like a nice tidy historical sort of historical traditional sort of election. But we don't have a traditional president. He didn't get there in a in a traditional way. I never cease being amazed at people like you who are surprised when he's not behaving the same way as previous presidents behavior. But i also go back to just just last year just last year just last year. Hillary clinton referred to him as an illegitimate president. We went through for years of of trying to de-legitimize him. I think that to have this process is just fine. And and who knows remember. We've also never in history in this century in another century had a massive vote by mail balloting where there was things like ballot harvesting and ballad curing things that we've never even heard of before that were taking place and frankly a much much lower rejection rate of mail in ballots than just four years ago when there were many fewer of them. So it's okay to go through this process. Make sure it's being done right. Make sure that it never happens again if there are irregularities we can't ignore hundreds of signed affidavits that's evidence that's way morale's than robert muller had well so far though that is not the case because this evidence they have it presented in court. Because they don't have it. It appears we'll see as you said if they have the evidence they should present it and they've yet to present it in a courtroom because you can't lie to a judge anyway. Senator kramer republican we. But they haven't done it yet. Anyway i really appreciate you coming on many of your colleagues wanted to you got it. Thank you sir all right. Thanks chuck you bet by joining me. Now congressman cedric richmond of louisiana. He is back with us. Well congressman. now. I'm going to get you to react to what you heard. I hope you could hear some of that interview. I knew we had some audio issues. On one hand. Senator kramer said it's time for the transition to begin on the other hand. He wasn't ready to recognize president-elect. Joe biden is that helpful or harmful to the cause right now. Well it's harmful to the cause one. It undermines the confidence in american government. This was a fair election. Joe biden won over six million votes in the popular vote Three hundred six electoral votes which is same number that donald trump had that he called a landslide. So joe biden one with a mandate and landslide. And now it's time to transition and look. The senator said that he didn't see much harm being done That's just not true and one thing that's important about joe biden understands the pain of losing loved ones and so when we think about covid nineteen. That's cost us over. Two hundred and fifty thousand americans and we're going to have a vaccine. Then we need to be meeting with distribute the vaccine to over three hundred million people and that will save lives so we want to get in there right now not talk to former officials but talk to the people that are in there right now doing the job so that we can be ready to finish or start distribution of vaccines on day one and then the last point i'll make is one of the reports of the nine findings of the nine eleven commission was that because the transition was short and failed. It left us more vulnerable for nine eleven type attack so we should be getting the national security briefings. We should have access to everything in the federal government that we're supposed to. We hope that the administrators going to do that soon. I was just gonna say given all of the things that have happened over the last twenty four hours. And what's gonna happen tomorrow tomorrow. It certification day in pennsylvania the lawsuit the one fig leaf of a lawsuit tossed out in pennsylvania. If you don't know if it doesn't start tomorrow and it certainly seems like there is plenty of reasons why it should. What is your recourse. What does the what does president-elect biden do next. look we will. We will explore every avenue. We expect it to start the certification and pennsylvania's a very big step and we are doing everything we can. We've named white house chief of staff thirteen white house senior officials this coming week. We will start to name the cabinet people in the cabinet and we expect the fbi and we need to have a background checks and other things that go with Transition so we will continue to push it with the trump administration. What we won't take any avenues off the table. Your your friendship with steve. Scalise republican from louisiana's. Well known the both of you talk about it. Because it's so rare to have bipartisan friendships. In this town these days have you talked to him and reached out to him. I mean i if relationships matter his voice would be a big one. If uttered the phrase president-elect biden what does he say to you well. I think he knows that this election is over and that joe biden will be the forty-six president of the united states is just amazing to me. The grab That this president has on the republican party and the reluctance that members have to come out and tell him the hard truth. And that's just not with congressman scalise but it starts at The minority leader mccarthy goes over to the senate with leader mcconnell You know this is the future of democracy. On the line there was a fair and square election. donald trump lost and so at some point. We have to move on but this republican party has been very to stand up until the emperor that he wears no clothes. You know steny hoyer. The number two leader in on the democratic side said i. I think this borders on treason. He is undermining the very essence of democracy. Which is you go to the poll. You vote and the people decide. There's no doubt that the people decided those are. Those are strong words. Do you concur with them. Look it's certainly an american but remember we have to all remember who we're dealing with. We're dealing with donald trump president that was impeached for withholding foreign aid to ukraine unless they gave him dirt on. Joe biden's son so there's nothing the one thing i do agree with senator kremlin is nothing that donald trump will do. That will surprise me. Because he's shown exactly who he is. A person who will break the law ignore the law to get what he wants and at some point. I just hope that the american people understand that this is about them. This is not about an elected official. This is about saving lives. This is protecting our country. In all of these people that are waking up and economic and financial instability and ruin because of our failed coronavirus response. We need to be doing something for them right now for. I let you go. You have a unique perch you were the national co chair for joe biden's campaign you're a pretty active and High level democrat in the house. So answer me this question. Joe biden won the white house but democrats lost seat in the house. Why look it was a. It was a rough and tough election. And i will say this and i've gone back and looked at numbers and other things Donald trump increasing a republican. Turnout made a big deal. But there's a whole. I think post-election audit that we should do an analysis to see where we ran strong where we didn't run strong and i think the fact that Joe biden one georgia and we still have two senate seats that are in run off Could be a telling tale for What's happening. But i do believe as democrats though. We need to make sure and look. I'm a saints fan. We need to make sure we have a good general manager of good offensive coordinator a good defensive coordinator and that we all run the same place. Look it doesn't have to be the exact same route But we should have the exact same goals in mind. And i do believe that is the case and so We will continue to push and let the voters decide etc richmond for a few more days or weeks. you'll be a democratic congressman from louisiana. But soon you will be a major player in that west wing with President elect joe biden. Thanks coming on apologies for the audio issues at the start. Thanks for having me. Chuck got it when we come back. Dr anthony fauci. And the official government's efforts to produce and distribute a safe and effective vaccine. Welcome back when it comes to the covid pandemic. we are now setting records on a daily basis on friday more than one hundred ninety. Six thousand new cases were recorded in the united states. Breaking the record that was set the day before and over the past seven days there have been nearly one point two million cases also record in a week over a million new cases folks as bleak as all this sounds though there is good news on the horizon assuming we can get to that horizon on friday pfizer applied for emergency authorization for its vaccine kicking off a process in which the fda will determine whether it's safe and effective and moderna is not far behind. Earlier i spoke with dr anthony found said yes help is on the way but i. We also have an obligation to help ourselves. We've really got to pay attention to the public. Health measures that we are not uniformly implementing throughout the country. It's disparate some doing it and some are not. They're very simple. The wearing of masks have physical distancing the avoiding congregate in crowd sessions activities particularly indoors. Trying where possible to do. Things outdoors opposed to end doors and frequent washing pans. They sound so simple chuck but they do make so the porno making is that we are in a very serious situation but we can't do something about it for a number. One point number two is that help is on the way traditionally and historically highly occasions effective. Vaccines have crushed epidemics like smallpox and polio and measles. We can do that with the vaccines that are going to be coming online. I'm trying to figure out when we're going to plateau before march. There is no mitigating event. And there's no evidence that were mitigating a thing. Where does this case. Count escalation stop. When does the hospitalization escalation stop. Are we really staring at until the vaccine. It doesn't necessarily have to be that way. We're not gonna completely eliminated in. Turn it around rapidly dramatically but we can prevent it from increasing. You look at the curve shop. It's it's almost exponential when you compare the curves in the spring and occurs in the summer with the with the inflection of the curve where we are right now we should not accept that. We can't do anything about that putting vaccines aside for a moment which will be extraordinarily helpful. If we implement simple public health is that i was mentioning to you. We can blunt that inflection. It doesn't have to be as high up. But when you think of the holiday season and the congregating indoors at what are innocent lovely functions like meals with family and friends. You've got release. Think in terms of evaluating. Do you have people in your family that our elderly that might have underlying conditions like someone on chemotherapy or other things that weaken their immune system. Do you really wanna get a crowd of ten fifteen twenty people. Many of whom are coming in from places where they've gone from crowded airports two planes getting into the house. I mean those are the things that have been such joyous things in the past. Let me ask you about testing. Believe it or not and you hear the anecdotes. It is still not easy to get a test and it's not easy to get a test quickly and you've said yourself if earlier that you regret that's one of your early regrets is sort of our testing strategy. Explain you know what i would have liked to have seen done and i had articulated this and it didn't go very far. Is the idea about chesting. Determined particularly individual is inspected so that you can identify isolate in contact traits. I'm all for that. That's fine but i'm also full what. I said months and months ago that we should be flooding the system with tests to be determined champions of the ace symptomatic spread. We don't have that ability of guests. We should have now. We should have guessed that a point of care sensitive specific. You can do it home. You could get the result yourself so that you can know when you wake up in the morning when you want to go to work whether or not you are infected or whether the people you might want to invite over your home for holiday are inspected. We don't have that. We should have that. I hope we do get that. That has been something that has not been within grants. I know technically. It's not the easiest thing to do. But i wish we had done that and joining me. Now is monsef sloughing. He's the head of operation warp speed. It is the us government's effort to pretty safe and effective vaccine for use as soon as possible doctor. Sloughing welcome to meet the press and let me start with. Look there's been great news both from madonna and pfizer. We know that pfizer applied for this emergency authorization use so the second. The approval comes. Walk me through. How warp speed suddenly gets implemented. Who gets the first vaccinations so the second. The emergency authorization is approved. The the and the cdc will issue their accommodation for who will get the vaccines on a priority basis. That's very likely to be Maybe healthcare workers. Maybe i line workers. Maybe individuals are at very high risk elderly people with commodities we will have already identified with each state department of health where they want the vaccines to be located. we cannot move the vaccine dozes prior to the emergency use authorization within twenty four hours from the approval vaccine will be moving and located in the areas where each state have told us where they want the vaccine doses and then it is each state that will decide specifically based on the guidelines from the cdc who they will vaccinate Is there a point where you may you. The federal government may say. Wait a minute state ex. You're not inoculating enough. Frontline workers hospitalizations are rising too fast. You need to focus more of these vaccines there. If you see a state not doing that. Is that something you would intervene. And tell us state look we. We know we left this up to you but you're not inoculating. Nearly enough healthcare workers. First of all the vaccine doses. We'll be disabused on on on a proportionate basis of the population and frankly. I don't see that the federal government will intervene on a state decision. Now i assume it state would be acting responsibly. Based on the guidance from the cdc and also what the label of the vaccine what the issued emergency use the relation on but normally this is not our intent to intervene at the micro level. It's really on a broad base that we are acting. Well i gotta ask how. How hard will it be to hand off this process that you're overseeing to a new presidential administration and do you hope to be kept on to continue to oversee this process so frankly the operation is has been isolated from from the administration from the political environment and the political context. We worked very hard to make sure that's the case and therefore all citizens are made train is running whether one administration or the other doesn't frankly make a difference. I hope there is no disruption in any way my personal role as you know. I have volunteered for this on a limited basis. My personal agenda is when we have to vaccines approved and two medicines approved and the rest of the portfolio that we have really well In good hands. I'll probably move on back to my private life as you know. I'm a highly supportive of of the program and if it means i work with the new administration i'll be very happy to and with view like to start briefing. The new administration next week. I understand that all the information that i made public. Of course i'll make a public to the new administration. I should not be saying. I've been informed that. I should not be saying anything. That's confidential to anybody including right. You know anybody. That's not part of the administration and therefore all act according to what the requirements are. All right Dr monsef slowly The good news this week are those vaccines all. We gotta do is hope we can get there And start doing mitigation and start doing all those other things to prevent this from being as bad as it looks right now dr slowly. Thank you so much coming on and sharing your perspective with us. Thank you for having me when we come back. President trump has been lobbing baseless charges about election fraud. He's not going to overturn the election. So what is his headless. Welcome back the panel is with us. It's nbc news. Chief course on a wally jackson said glove junior princeton university anna palmer. The senior washington correspondent for politico. John pot hurts editor of commentary. So i want to start off with a little bit of of a little bit of numbers. Because hey that's what i love to do right. Check out what we're seeing now in the two thousand twenty presidential election. I noted earlier that there are four closer races just since two thousand then twenty twenty but check this out. Twenty twenty versus twenty twelve obama romney fifty point one point one and the popular vote to forty seven point to look where the popular vote is right now. Fifty one point zero percent forty seven point two and those numbers are going to grow and they continue to grow and so biden's lead is actually going to be larger when all is said. Let me show you the popular vote splits by the way twenty twelve to twenty twenty Obama won by just under five million in the robbo. Joe biden is over six million in this raw vote. So holly jackson remind this is the fifth closest election. We've had since two thousand which means it wasn't really that historically close. I heard senator kramer use the impeachment as one of the rationales. Lindsey graham say stacey. Abrams is this the white house strategy that they're basically saying. Hey they did it to us so we're going to do it to them so that surmises that there is a strategy chuck in it and it is some sort of broader work in progress. The folks are moving toward. Listen this is about the president. This is about what he wants and what he feels and he is feeling Angry obviously we know based on this. I've talked to sources over the last twenty four hours who know chuck that the president understands that there is an uphill climb ahead. He sees the writing on the wall but the point now is to continue to keep up the fight. I thought it was interesting. That senator kramer work to as you pointed out thread the needle between yes. We should start the transition process but no. It's not president-elect biden yet. And i will tell you talked with sources in both that trump orbit and the biden orbit. They both actually agree on one thing. Which is that over the coming days chuck particularly potentially after tomorrow in the pennsylvania certification process happens you will see more republicans come out sort of putting the president on an isolated island by saying yes. We should move forward. Joe biden is the president-elect. Here's where they disagree. Though that it's going to matter for president trump right. I didn't folks on the democratic side. The biden side is going put pressure on the president. I talked with somebody who's close to the president. Said that probably will make very little difference to him in a palmer. The lamar alexander. Statement from friday to me is so striking if there is any chance whatsoever that joe biden will be the next president and it looks like he has a very good chance. The trump administration should provide the biden team with all transition materials resources in meetings necessary to ensure smooth transition so that both sides are ready on day. One lamar alexander is retiring. He's leaving on january second. I believe his term expires. Technically and he still couldn't write the phrase president elect. Joe biden thing has a lot to do with where the republican party is an a lot of these lawmakers. Don't wanna get crosswise with trump supporters. They look at how many votes he got. And the fact that he's not going away anytime soon whether or not he's leaving this administration. There's already talk of about twenty twenty four run and i think what you have is a lot of republicans not looking to inflame the president whether or not they are seeking elected office again. Eddie at what point do you think. Democrats have to fight harder about this in some ways. I think president-elect biden has preached publicly patients. We know behind the scenes are getting impatient. At what point should they be acting more impatient. Well it seems to me particularly after pennsylvania's certified we still see this going on. I need to press put put the foot put their foot to the pedal it seems to me. Look i think it's not so much the success of donald trump's efforts with regards to challenging the election. It's sowing the doubt. It's de legitimizing. The the upcoming administration and in transforming that doubt into outright hostility. And i think this is the challenge that we face in that senator kramer honestly didn't want to admit that the more donald trump de-legitimize is this process the more he undermines democratic process and unleashes in some ways these illiberal forces so i think after pennsylvania certifies. If we see this still happening. The democrats depress harder but john doors. We still have a. We're still going to have millions of people that believe one thing and this newsmax phenomenon that we're watching where clearly people don't like what they're hearing on fox and they say no. No no no no. I don't want to hear an occasional factor too. I wanna go work where life is different than election day. Let me play a little excerpt from newsmax. We're like one of the only major networks not to call the election and our view is of course will waiting for the The states to certify and see what the final result is and we're also encouraging the president to begin the possibility of a transition even if that is not been certified yet and before you respond john l. a. little history lesson christopher ruddy. I want to remind folks. The founder of newsmax was best known before found that channel for this crazy can for being the chief reporter on crazy conspiracy that somehow ron brown was murdered road seconds before a plane crash which did kill ron brown. The point is that this is sort of newsmax is at its. It's founded by conspiracy theorists what is happening to the messaging to the to the to the right side of the aisle in this country. It's very hard to fathom. Look i'm a conservative. I got into this site forty years ago about smaller government and lower taxes and traditionalist values of a strong military. And that forty years later i and people like me are being put in the position of being accused of disloyalty because we do not buy into the notion that from his grave seven years ago hugo chavez paid off the governor of georgia of the republican governor of georgia in a pair play scheme to fix voting machines whose results were just a verified by a hand recount that we are somehow being put in the position of having to say It's okay that this go on this way because the president has every legal right to contest. And we don't really have certification like this is where you get off the train when you are asked to take the train to crazy town and then moved to crazy town and then send nuclear missiles to strike normal town john. When do we get back to normal town and what happens on your side of the aisle. If if this splintering doesn't and will you know. People think that tally said that trump has strategy. What is the strategy is stupid. I'm giving examples in two thousand eighteen as the midterm elections were coming trump instead of a pushing. The strong economy sort went with this two week message about evil caravans coming up from central america. And how this was gonna turn the tide and win the republicans. The house and in fact the democrats slaughtered him. What of this strategy is a bad strategy. What if it's dumb. What if he actually doesn't know how to win and he only really knows how to lose right. He's yet to win. The popular vote yet. Lost the popular vote by a greater margin this time than he did for years ago When we come back it turns out the counties. We thought would play a big role in this election. Did exactly that. And then some stick with meet the press data download brought to you by pfizer. Welcome back data download time and a final look at our county to county project. Each piece told the story of a different trend. That would help determine the two thousand twenty election and i think we learned a lot. I up beaver. County near pittsburgh representing mr trump's. He won the county big in two thousand sixteen but he wanted again but he did lose a point from four years ago and it was those narrow margins that did matter in pennsylvania. Let's go to milwaukee county. Could mr biden increase black. Voter turnout to flip the state back to blue the answer yes improved on hillary clinton and more importantly one the state. He netted his twenty thousand votes. Just out of milwaukee kent county michigan home to gerald ford and wealthier establishment republicans. They supported mr trump barely in two thousand sixty. Not in twenty twenty biden. Flip the county and clip the state grand rapids. Those blue maricopa county encompassing phoenix and its surrounding suburbs on latino seniors sixty percent of arizona's population trump narrowly carried it in two thousand sixteen. This year biden. Flip the county and the state by the way first time since harry truman that a democrat carried that county. Finally there was miami-dade in florida. We knew it wouldn't be swing county but with the chargers at democrats embrace socialism with the large cuban venezuelan communities. The answer was a resounding yes four years ago. He carried it by twenty nine points. This time biden won the county by the margin that donald trump got out of florida and cut into hillary clinton lead was basically how he carried the entire state. These five counties turned out to be crucial in the twenty twenty election. we'll watch these and others for signals. Twenty twenty two and beyond when we come back the changing faces of congressional leadership. Sorry true same old same. After the break. Welcome back the panel is back anna palmer. It was election week for congressional leaders this week and both The house and the senate are being run by the same folks. Essentially that we've had for quite some time in fact. Take a look at what we put together here. Nancy pelosi been leader the democrats and so three mitch. Mcconnell been leader since seven the entire democratic leadership has been there since. Oh three what's remarkable. Eight congresses for presidents three changes of control of the house to changes of control of the senate. That's pre runoffs. We could have three same as it ever was to quote. David byrne here anna palmer. Why is it. If congress had popular everybody is so upset that both pelosi mcconnell have such strangleholds over their caucasus. Listen the capital is all about power who has it who wields it and who wants an both speaker. Pelosi and leader. Mcconnell are very good at what they do. They have basically complete control of their caucus and conference And there's a lot of people wondering particularly on pelosi. Is this her last term. She's been asked about it repeatedly which he's gonna stay as long as she wants. She basically played a flawless hand for trump's term. Where she was able to have impeachment get done. They were able to a trade deal in all kinds of different things as well. Hold the president's feet to the fire and so while there's frustration certainly about the fact that she's eighty the fact that her leadership team is they're all eighty or eighty one years old. No one is willing to challenge her. And you can't win with nobody. That's what she always says. And it's a it's a good thing to remember any a take it from the you're the least washington of our group here although pot hordes we'll take a little bit issue with me on that. How does this look which. I mean the congressional leadership. It really doesn't change in this country. Well yeah it's party in some ways it's a reflection of of of the problem in some ways joke. I think it's important for us to note that last year millennials outnumber baby boomers and baby boomers continue to define the kind of broad framework of the country. And what we do know just very clearly. Is that the kind of ideological stream kind of spectrum. How we think of american politics is much more muddled out in the world and it is in dc. And so part of what i think. We need to do in order to get beyond some of the gridlock to get beyond some of the traditional sorts of blockages as it were is to shake up leadership and have that leadership actually reflect the experiences of the majority of the country. So let's see let's see what happens. We have some folks on the bench marking jeffries. Some folks coming up the squad katie moore. They're they're young folk in the congress. Who can actually come in and do some really interesting things in terms of pushing the needle ford. The and what. The country needs to the john. Both pelosi mcconnell. The reason why. I think their colleagues trust them so much is will they know they understand the process and they know how to manipulate the process which it but neither of them get praised for passing legislation. If you will right well. I mean i think one of the things that's going on here is that people don't actually want to do the hard work of being in congressional leadership which is a grinding tough time consuming fund raising backscratching job and because of the nature of the modern media particularly in the republican party. You can become a celebrity or a star by being on television much more than you can buy being the chairman of a committee or being in house leadership hoping to rise through the ranks who can become alexandria. Ocasio cortez without ever having to lift a finger on the house floor. And that's a new thing and these people are actually willing to like stay till midnight every night to get things through whatever they have to get through and they don't have to go on tv five times a week It's an excellent point. final question. Halley does the white house. Aware that mitch. Mcconnell may hold his perceived fate in their hands if he'd just utters words president-elect biden. Well he hasn't done it yet. Chaka and i think there is an there is certainly an acknowledgement of that and the knowledge of that. That if senator mcconnell does that watch the dam breaking right. I think there's a question of when that could happen are reporting here. The sources i've talked to you. This legal fight and the president's insistence on acknowledging reality will likely stretch into december. there's of course december fourteenth jet line that day. Who knows will happen at that point but keep in mind. He his hinting at a run in two thousand twenty four. He'll never stop running. 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They may show you his pictures, and repeat his name so much that it will become as well known as other mass murderers, whose names you probably remember we hope history does not remember this killer's name, and we won't be saying it or showing you his photo in the hour ahead. Instead, we wanna take a few moments to focus on those who really matter on the eleven people who live good and decent lives who are loved by family and friends and who leave behind them broken hearts and happy memories. Daniel Stein was killed on Saturday. He was retired. And according to his son didn't require much his son said, he was a simple, man. His nephew says he had a dry sense of humor. He was deeply loved and will be deeply missed Daniel Stein. We will remember Joyce Feinberg was a former researcher at the university. Pittsburgh who treated her PHD students like family, we're told her late husband taught at CMU just down the road from tree of life. Those who knew her say she had a huge personality that lit up the room Joyce Feinberg. Let us remember let us also remember, Richard Gottfried. He was sixty five and had a dental practice with his wife. He was Jewish. She was Catholic. They counseled other interfaith couples at her church about what to expect Bernice and Sylvan Simon were married at tree of life sixty two years ago, imagined that Sylvan Simon was retired accountant Bernice was a nurse. Neighbor says that she loved classical music and devoted time to charitable work charitable causes. They were always ready to help set a neighbor and always with a big smile, Bernice and Sylvan Simon they died as they lived together. We will remember them Jerry Rabinowitz was a longtime area doctor who's being remem-. For treating all kinds of patients with kindness and compassion. Particularly those with HIV aids at a time when fear of the virus was running high patient wrote he often held our hands without rubber gloves and always always hugged us as we left his office. Another called him the sorta doctor who sent you on your way feeling better in all respects reports. Are he was shot as he rushed to help wounded congregants Jerry Rabinowitz, his patients remember, and so we'll we Melvin waxes sister says that she always used to kid him that he should have been a rabbi. Instead, he was a dedicated congregation attending Schule on Fridays and Saturdays. He would always be the first to arrive. She said always in a good mood always full of jokes. Melvin wax. We will remember Irving younger was agreed or with a handshake and a smile. He wants uses a realtor he helped people find a seat a friend says he was the kinda. Guy who'd walk down the street and say hi to everyone. He saw and served him. Well, at one local cafe where he liked to go no surprise, perhaps he made himself the greeter there as well version younger. We will remember David NC. So Rosenthal were called tree of lives ambassadors because they were always there both had special needs. Both were inseparable everyone around. Here knew them. I'm told Kanter at a nearby temple called see soul, the kindest soul, you would ever meet. She calls him the embodiment of the community. Another acquaintance says his laugh was infectious. David. He said was so kind the two he said looked out for one another and in return their community, treasured them, David NC, so Rosenthal brothers in life and in death. We will remember and and last, but certainly not least in anyone's thoughts tonight is rose Mallender. She was ninety seven years old and lived or whole life in this state visited her daughter. Andrea earlier today, she was womb. Nded is recovering in the hospital surrounded by family and friends, who smile and laugh and shed tears when they talked about rose booby as she was known in her family rose live for her children, and for her grandchildren. She was they said a pillar of the community and of the congregation vibrant full of life moments ago for family gave CNN this statement to booby family was everything they said, she knew her children, grandchildren and her great grandchild better than they knew themselves. She retained or sharp wit humor. And intelligence till the very last day. We will miss her presence and her company greatly rose. We will remember so many people to remember writer on this program who grew up just four blocks from here. New many of those names he went to bar mitzvahs at tree of life and scout troop meetings and weddings as well. He remembers what it was like to be a kid in. Pittsburgh's biggest Jewish community. He says it was hard to believe that the whole rest of the wh. Wasn't Jewish too. When you're growing up here wasn't happy as well. Didn't also live on tree lined streets. Where everyone knew everyone else, squirrel hill was then and is now a special part of this city in this country, not just because of its Jewish population. You walk three blocks from here and you'll you'll come to the local J C C, which is right across the street from the the six six Presbyterian church whose members swung into action after the shooting. Here squirrel hill is home to members of every major faith. It's home to medical professionals from all around the world who rushed to the scene to treat the wounded or receive them at nearby hospitals. It's home just two blocks from here to the zone four police station whose officers risk their lives to save other. Some were wounded it was home just a five minute walk from here to Fred Rogers. Mister Rogers himself who wants said at times like these. We should look for the helpers. This literally is mister Rogers neighborhood is the mayor said to me squirrel hill is a neighborhood of helpers tree. The of life was and is and will be congregation of helpers yet Saturday morning in the building behind me one or man decided that the men and women worshiping inside were instead the enemy ninety seven year old woman was his enemy a husband and wife married in nineteen fifty six and still in love. We're his enemy Dr reach out HIV patients. When others looked away was his enemy. It's obvious asked. Why someone would think like this why someone would kill like this? But there is no answer to that question that ever truly makes sense or makes the hurt or the heartache go away today the alleged killer made his first quarter appearance in wall as we said, we're not going to be showing his face or saying his name. We will be taking a close look at what may have motivated him. And we'll do the same as well. The alleged Cheryl bomber who also was in court today, even as another of his alleged package bombs turned up again targeting CNN, this time in Atlanta, the third bomb sent to CNN what both men have in common along with their shared role in these horrible. Few days is an tippety for billionaire. George Soros, who is a donor to liberal causes and a holocaust survivor himself. He is Jewish and a frequent target of the far right, including some members of congress. This isn't that our Zona Republicans suggesting that Soros was behind the violence in Charlottesville. Now, look at the background. George Soros is one of those people actually helps, you know, back these individuals who is he. I think he's from Hungary Jewish, and I think he turned in his own people to the Nazis. Well, keep him on that last bit. Of course, is ally ally in a slur more recently things took on a new dimension. When someone it's unclear who came up with the idea of building a different conspiracy theory around Soros one linking him to the migrant caravan. Here's a tweet from Republican congressman Matt gates quote footage in Honduras, giving cash to women and children to join the caravan and storm the US border at election time Soros question, Mark. Let's investigate the source. There's no evidence to support. That's insinuation yet. A day later at a rally in Montana. The president seemed to pick up on it. The one thing they stick together. But they wanted that caravan. And there are those say that caravan didn't just happen. It didn't just happen. A lot of reasons that caravan four thousand people. It didn't just happen. He said didn't just happen. A few days later. George Soros got a pipe bomb in the mail and a few days after that after calling for national unity. The president was chuckling along with calls to lock Soros up. The called Blois. They like they like the globe globe too. I like the globe do, but we have to take care of people. We have to globalists. The word globalist might not mean anything special to you. And perhaps it doesn't either to the president, however to white supremacists. And anti-semites the word means Jew, and has for many years presidents have known this which is why they don't say things like this clearly meant something to the alleged synagogue shooter synagogue shooter who actually attacked President Trump for being in his view, a secret globalist sympathizer, posting in the social media side gab writing Trump is a globalist not a nationalist. He then went onto rail against Jews using a slur. We won't use the word infestation his posting showed an obsession with George Soros. With the Hebrew immigrant. Aides aside and your highest and a hatred for the immigrant caravan. So whether the president knew what he was saying the alleged gunman certainly heard something that resonated in this came on top of plenty of other scary talk from the president and others about that migrant caravan. And the Democrats want to invite caravan empty caravan of illegal aliens. They want to sign them up for free healthcare free welfare free education for the right to vote. They want to sign him for the right to vote. What's that? That was Friday. The president describing a group of people thousand miles away from the nearest port of entry several thousand miles from Pittsburgh threat to no one, but for the alleged gunman it apparently was all too much his last pose reads, I can't sit by and watch. My people got slaughtered. Screw your optics going in today with the country struggling to cope the president again called for unity. He also tact the press and weighed in again on that caravan tweeting, this is an invasion of our country. And our military is waiting for you. Now when you hear all the time from the president's supporters to take him seriously, but not literally maybe for rational reasonable people who aren't antisemitic and don't believe conspiracy theories. That's good advice. Perhaps it's better if we all dial back the heat on the left and the right to not call us. Former attorney general Eric Holder did for kicking opponents when they're down to not harass Republicans in restaurants, and it's true. There never is enough. Civility to go row. Around that said when Bernie Sanders supporter opened fire and Republican congressman the center did not control the bully pulpit. The president does and he was not filling the airwaves with heated rhetoric. Violent imagery conspiracy theories the president may chafe and not being able to say anything that pops into his head. What he should know is that people are listening and were some are acting on what they hear joining us. Now is triple life's rabbi. Jeffrey Meyers also the mayor Pittsburgh Bill to do. Thank you both for being with us. Some SARS interested senses. Rabbi you are preparing a funeral tomorrow. The first of what will be several funerals. What? What are you thinking about saying what is going through your your heart on your head tonight? It's not a day to show anger. It's not a data show bitterness. It's data syllabi the lives of two wonderful decent human beings in for granted to that. They were in our lives. And that's what this all the funerals will be about your the tomorrow. It's the brothers who. I mean, everybody talks about them as being I mean, everybody seems to have known them. They were the sweetest most wonderful people, you could no not a an ounce of hate in whatsoever. And you know, if you just sit and wonder why this could happen. We're not going to find the answers we need to just turn to what was good about them. And be able to say with gratitude, we're so glad they were in our lives at all there. How are you are you dealing with? This was leader of the best weekend. We have priorities that we want to be able to take care of the first is to the families of the victims. We start with funerals. Tomorrow continue all the way through Friday, making sure that the families have everything that they need we spend that out to those that have been wounded trying to get them out of the hospitals by the end of this week, making sure their families have everything they need so way, we do things in Pittsburgh. We take care of one another. And then we look at the Jewish community. Itself. And we looked there ways to be able not only to show support but to build bonds that will last long after this. And we think ahead about how we can take something that is so horrific in find goodness in use those few little. Reza blight to be able to create something here in Pittsburgh that will help to radicchio hate that will stop the use of terms of hatred and bigotry in the public discourse on a daily basis in put it back into the basement where belongs. Do you have any doubt that that some rhetoric that has been used over the last that has entered public life in a way that we haven't seen in quite a while that that has had an impact words matter if you take a drop of die and put it into a glass of water. It turns the color of the water when you put words of hatred out in a place, where those words had been hidden in the United is being words that were not acceptable in you allow that to be come acceptable. Then you allow the next steps to occur. The next steps were there's violence against people walking down the street. The next steps were there's graffiti being written on walls, the next steps where somebody enters into a place that is so sacred where people go to find sanctuary in peace with God in somebody feels that is. The way that they won't express their hatred with murder. Yes, words matter. Rabbi I'd wanna make you relive what happened Saturday morning, but how quickly did you realize something terrible was happening. I'd never heard live gunfire in my life before. Initially within the first few minutes of our service starting there was a crash type of Senate. I thought is the many others that one of the middle coat racks in our lobby had fallen that prep. Someone was falling grabbed onto it and ganked it down then within say, another ten seconds. The next volley came again rapid succession, and well, I didn't have any experience in. It was just some good instinct told me this is not something good. This is semi automatic weapon. Fire. And so I'd say within fifteen seconds. I knew this is a serious situation. And did you see the you saw this person? Never never. I never saw the person I made it out at the sanctuary before. My immediately told the congregation to drop on the floor. Do not sound don't move. We have heavy wooden pews three inches. Thick oak. Flow to provide some modicum of protection the people who are near the front of the sanctuary. The several that near the front like quickly escorted them up the stairs out through one of the back doors of the sanctuary into the labyrinth of our buildings that funding exit door find closet, if you've closet lock yourself in and say to the police come and get you in turn to see about the remaining eight people in the rear of the sanctuary. And what could I do? I saw that hurt at that moment. The gunfire the volume is increasing. And I knew that if I would move forward. Another one hundred fifty feet towards the sanctuary that. There was nothing. I could do with that point because it was just too dangerous situation. So I left the sanctuary one of those people visited today she survived. The other seven were slaughtered in my sanctuary, and I live with that for the rest of my life because Well, I I know I couldn't have done something. I still wonder gee, could have done something you call one. Yeah. The minute. I got through there called nine one one was on the phone with them for twenty minutes as I sought shelter for myself 'cause I the exit envisioned a new was not as safe exit because of the proximity of the shooter as a person of faith. How does one? Face this. How does I mean, how does does one make sense of it? As a person faith. What is it? I don't know. I my faith. My faith tells me it wasn't some divine plan with God in a control room pushing buttons saying I'm gonna send. I'm gonna send a shooter into tree of life in slow all of these people that that God's the one I turn to at moments like this to say give me strength. Give me in Spiratou to help lead. My flood through this difficult time. Mayor. I think you'd said something to the Washington Post about the president that you shouldn't visit wall burials are still taking place. The the the president has for planning on coming tomorrow. If you smoked them. Do you have a message to them? Well, we we did try to get the message out to the White House that our priority. Tomorrow is the first funeral. We'll be using public resources in order to be able to have adequate public safety at the site to be able to use public safety to for the procession and also to be able to make sure that will still be at our schools are synagogues the J C C and other large Jewish institutions having that I do believe that it would be best to put the attention on the families and this week, and if he were to visit choose a different time to be. Able to do it. Our focus is city will be on the families and the outreach that they'll need this week in the support that they'll need to get through it. Once we get past that then I think there's the opportunity for presidential doesn't rabbi spoke with as I said I spoke with roses family in the hospital. I mean, what an extraordinary family. They are just they'd so many stories about hurting ninety seven years old, she'd attended this synagogue for I believe it was sixty years. She said she was married for fifty years. She just sounds like an incredible pillar of this of this community. She was and we had this really wonderful thing partway through the service in many faith services. They're responsive readings in English. It was one that was hers that she owned, and we get that part of the service. I would just announce into look at rose and smile. And she would lead in the ironic thing is the responsive reading that. She led the prefer peace. How do you know how goes can? I don't wanna put you on and off the top of my head in the English. After these pets days, my mind is just a jumble. I don't think I could remember the prayer for peace prayer for peace over remember it in the car the minute. I believe it's fitting, and I'll look it up later tonight hit everybody else. Does rabbi. Thank you so much. Thank you, really think. Kipness from your. Thank you so much. I'm sorry. It's under this. We'll get through. Yeah. It's strong community. 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We're not going to utter the name of the man authorities say was responsible for all that's going on around me for all the hurt that we have witnessed in the short time that that we have been here today. Sadly, he left us a kind of roadmap to the hatred. He has inside on the social media website where he posted time, and again or senior investigative correspondent Griffin has that for us tonight. Just before thirty say he entered this synagogue to kill eleven jus the killer posted his intentions online. I can't sit by and watch people get slaughtered. He posted screw your optics. I'm going in. Where was that on a social media site? You most likely never heard of. But it turns out gab dot com has become an online home for those who love to hate. What you find is just an absolute cesspool of the most vile commentary that you can find extreme misogyny, anti semitism racism. There are thousands and thousands of people on there who trade in the ugliest propaganda that mankind can create gab is currently not operating. An online statement says the company has spent the past forty eight hours proudly working with the DOJ and FBI to bring Justice to an alleged terror until now the site has put few restrictions on its users. Former company official told CNN gab does ban users who call for violence child porn or drug trafficking. But not hate speech, according to the site itself. Gabes mission is very simple defend free speech and individual liberty for all people on Saturday evening after the shooting. Gab users were calling shooter a hero on its website gab says it's the alleged shooter who holds so responsibility for his actions when CNN tried to get more information on the suspects profile gab tweeted, you have our statement deal with southern poverty Law Center said it's no surprise to anyone. The shooter's online home was gap. Who's the first place that we looked actually the suspect posted about the infestation of Jews? He reposted goals for Jews to get out or leave. He promoted a conspiracy theory that it is Jews helping transport migrants and the migrant caravans in Central America repeatedly calling the migrants invaders using language comment on Fox News and right wing radio. He linked the Hebrew immigration aid society highest an organization. That helps resettle refugees to those caravans highest legs to bring in invaders that kill our people. He posted on Saturday morning when he wrote I'm going in. He was going into a synagogue that hosted a highest service just a week before drew Griffin CNN Atlanta. And Mark Hadfield. The CEO of the Hebrew immigrant aid society is with me now. Thanks very much for being with us, obviously sorts under these circumstances. When you first heard of what this person did and his obsession with your organization. We're you were you surprised or is this kind of a common trope among among anti-semites, and he's going to be well both. I mean, this is a common trope, and there are websites that dedicate an awful lot of space to highest to how much they hate what we do to how much they hate refugees. Some also, hey, choose some are masquerading as kind of issue oriented sites, but they're really hate sites. So yeah, we were quite accustomed to this. But obviously it's never ended like this before explain what your organization actually does. So highest is actually the oldest refugee agency in the world. We were started at the end of the nineteenth century. To help Jews who were fleeing from the grooms in in Russia, and we were bringing them to the United States greeting them on Ellis Island, helping them get past the immigration. Authorities and gets it up in a new life. And we've made a transformation over our history from being an organization that helps refugees because they are Jewish to one that helps refugees because we are Jewish. We do this out of Jewish values. We do it out of his sense of of history and obliga- shin. Because we know that the American Jewish community owes its very existence to those times when America opened its doors to refugees. So you help people refugees from from all over the world who are recently in the United States, all of whom have been vented who had been cleared to come here, and you help them adjust to daily life. Right. I mean half of our work is actually overseas helping refugees you safe where they are. But the other half is here in the United States resettling them around the country, including here in Pittsburgh, where we work with the Jewish family and community services of Pittsburgh. When you hear the kind of rhetoric out invaders, you know about this the this obsession about this caravan. Does it make any sense to you? It makes no sense to me. And we haven't gotten used to it. Even though we've been hearing an awful lot of this. I mean ever since the the Paris attacks in November of two thousand fifteen when thirty one governors said that their states were going to be off limits to Syrian Muslims as a result of those attacks never mind that no Syrian refugees actually were implicated in those attacks. That's when this hate speech really started to escalate to levels that I'd never seen in my career. And never thought I would see in my lifetime. You know, this person who who has lent is alleged to communities. These murders was basically saying that you're resettling people who are coming to the United States to kill people to you know, to be terrorists. I mean, that's absurd. I mean refugees are fleeing terror, right? They'd come here. Because they they need sanctuary. Dislike people go to synagogue to be sanctuary. I mean, that's what we do you provide people with a sanctuary from terror. So to say that these people are bringing terror to this country. It's it's beyond absurd. It's not backed up by anything. Does this make you fearful or make you wanna stop your work? Now, definitely does not make me want to stop our work. I mean we've seen this before. I mean, not in my lifetime. But there have been many times when refugees have been conflicted with the terror that they're fleeing from its was one of the reasons Jews were kept out in the nineteen thirties. So we know that this makes it even more important for us to do our work the same ascent of Jews of Irish of Italians eventually every refugee group that has come to the United States for time. Immemorial? I mean, it goes to fear of the other. We have to deal with that fear. But it it's not a rational fear Marquette field that preceded it. Thank you. Thanks for being with us coming up as we reported, the president is continuing to blame the media for the violence, and the anger. In this country, again using the phrase enemy of the people today today, he actually said that we tried to get answers from the White House about which members of the free press are actually in his opinion, the enemies of the people will show you how that went next. Hey, it's Howard Beck. And I've got Sam amick of the F let on Bleacher reports the full forty eight Lakers for me would be the panic side on the negative and then positive wise. I think Denver looking at as they do, you know is than tremendous fun to watch. You know, you'll get your star. You wrote the definitive piece on last season. And I love everything they have going for them. So check out the full forty eight now on the Bleacher report app, apple podcasts and Spotify. Well, as we reported the beginning of the program after days of pipe bomb sent to people the president has attacked on the horror the plate out here in Pittsburgh over the weekend. The president continues to complain that. It's actually the free press that should change its ways and a tweet this morning. The president said part of what's causing great anger in the country is the fake news media which again called and I quote, the true enemy the people the White House today. C N N's Jim Mukasa Ashura Sanders for clarification. Shouldn't you reserve the term enemy for people who are actually the enemy of the United States rather than journalists at the president's out referencing all media? He's talking about the growing amount of fake news that exists in the country and the president's call that out. Man. I asked them all. My since you mentioned that president said this morning. The fake news media, the true enemy of the people must stop the open obvious hostility report to accurately and fairly can you state for the record which outlets that you and the president of regard as the enemy of people? I'm not going to walk through a less. But I think those individuals probably know who they are. And Jim Acosta joins us. Now. Why wouldn't she walk through a list? I mean, if if the president United States is declaring people in organizations enemies of the people and she's backing that up. I don't understand why they wouldn't get specific. That is the question Anderson. And and we gave her ample opportunities to do that the president has at all all day long to do that. He apparently is still struggling this evening in terms of putting that out there. My sense of it Anderson is that they just wanna lash out that might have been part of the reason why we were brought into this briefing today. They wanted to get back to their mid midterms game plan, which is to go after the process and talk about the caravan, and they were able to do some of that today. But but Anderson, not we we do know that they're deeply frustrated over how much the president took heat and this last week or so over his rhetoric in response to what happened with the pipebombs and what happened in Pittsburgh. They're highly frustrated behind the Caesar, and I think we saw some of that being vented Artur action today. I I mean, it is it is just kind of amazing just when you look at who the president has verbally attacked. And who this this pipe bomber sent devices to or tweeted about I mean, the president goes after Phil Mudd former FBI and CIA officials dedicated his life to public service days later this by bomber is tweeting about Phil Mudd. I mean, the names clearly it's very clear where this person got names and ideas from whether it's Jim Clapper or CNN or John Brennan, the fact that the White House or that the president doesn't take a moment of reflection is still surprising to me. I really is Anderson. And when you talk to people who are close to the president sources close to the White House. They say this fits into is make no apologies take-no-prisoners style. This president has never going to admit that he shouldn't say that the process the enemy. Of the people because it goes against what has really a political strategy for him. And that is to demonize demonize opponents to the point of submission. And we're just simply not going to do that. I talked to a top Republican aide up on Capitol Hill who said most of the folks up there are just resigned to the fact that the president is going to keep on doing this. And it does make you wonder Anderson. What is it exactly that is going to make the president stop engaging in this rhetoric at this point what we've seen so far apparently for the president is not sufficient Anderson. Jim Kosta, Jim. Thanks very much from New York City. Mayor Michael Bloomberg also criticizing the president's response to the deadly shooting. Here's what he told CNN today. The president's words matter more than anybody else and his job. I've always thought is to be a unifier not to be the leader of a party. But to be the leader of this country their consequences. Two words. Joining me now is New York Times White House correspondent CNN political Maggie Haberman. Also, joining us CNN political analyst, David David, Gregory, author of how's your faith, an unlikely spiritual journey negatives. Tweet today from the president calling the quote of fake news media, the true enemy of the people. I mean, he clearly understand there's some people said, well, maybe he doesn't understand the impact or the the the fact that you know, it hasn't dawned on him that he's president of the United States. He's not just you know, kind of flash a real estate developer anymore. But you say this is clearly deliberate strategy on his part. Yeah. I mean, we're first of all we're two years into his presidency. I think he gets it at this point. He's no longer just a real estate developer number one. Number two. He is smarter than all of these people like to tell themselves more aware of what it is that he is doing and that includes his own ads sometimes who want to be able to explain why it's not really that bad that he's saying. This lock it is it is totally fair to take issue with coverage. Every president has no president in the US has done what he is doing which is single out, you know, political enemies lump them in with the media. And then after a clearly sick individual allegedly sends pipebombs too many of those individuals and a news outlet persistent talking about at least three of them and again resume this enemy of the people stuff. It is fine to take issue with the media and with press coverage. It is not find talk about enemy of the people that is the language of despots in other countries. And and it is dangerous from the president. He does this thing where he continues to act as if he's one guy in the crowd just sort of watching everything play out his words do have much greater weight than than anyone else's in this country. Just by dentist's office. Right. I and I think I don't know if it was you who tweeted this. But I mean, and I I'm not to miss represent what you said. But I it's not as if he's a guy in a bar yelling at a TV anymore. Right. I didn't say something like that. But it, but it, but it's the same kind of idea that he's not he's not just he's not. He's not just whenever he doesn't drink. He's not just in that. He's not an average social media poster anymore is what he's not. And he continues to wanna be both the story and the color commentator, and and as president he is part of the story. But you know, the rest of the story is also the country, what is taking place in the country and most other presidents if there had been two incidents of domestic terrorism on their watch. They would be dialing back their rhetoric this president gave a very forceful nunciatures of antisemitism at the beginning of his political rally on Saturday night. But it was a political rally, and then he veered back into the same usual stuff, including criticizing Maxine Waters who had received a python. And David also wanting to focus continue focusing on this caravan. When clearly that was an issue that that was foremost in the minds of the shooter here in Pittsburgh. And that's what's so concerning. I mean, if you look at the president's rhetoric, he's labeling people enemies making clear that there are people who are dangers to the country, and he's saying to his supporters and other nationalist since uses that term people who have a sense of national consciousness was what nationalism means oftentimes feeling superior to other nations. Other groups of people around the world, he is saying to them time and time again be very worried because those Brown people coming from the south are going to invade the country. He's called them vermin before he's talked about an infestation before these are the kinds of phraseology that was used against Jews, by the way in Nazi Germany. And elsewhere in Europe. So it's dehumanizing. He he talks about a lead to go to Ivy league schools as being a danger. And of course, when he talks about globalist. He is referring whether he knows it or not or whether he intends to or not he's using language that white supremacists. Used to describe Jews a Jewish power structure around the world. So he is feeding this paranoia and instead of tampering it down instead of cooling it. He's doubling down saying tonight in interview on FOX that he defends the nationalist label that that he thinks that's an appropriate thing for a president to say to stand up for America. So all everywhere you look whether it's taking on LeBron James or other African American athletes. The suggestion is to his supporters your way of life is under attack from people who don't look like you. And that's what we're seeing time and time again, and even under these circumstances, he won't dial. It back. It's interesting Maggie because for the White House and also the president in the past has used the fact that Vonk Trump is Jewish and Jared Kushner, Jewish as I don't know if it's fair to say cover, but as certainly they have made mention of that upfront to kind of indicate will certainly he's not, you know, in any way, saying anything against Jewish people. I look I don't I I don't know what that president's anti Semite or not. I get asked that question a lot. I think we all day, and I don't know what's in his heart. I do know that and I know that he has said very forceful things against antisemitism. I also know that he has said things that are heard as dog whistle is my anti-semites, and he's been told those dog whistles over and over and over again. So, you know, whatever his daughter and son-in-law have to do with it. It's not impacting what he then goes out and says in terms of taking away the negatives Anderson, can I make another point. There's a tendency to think about Jews as we often think about other groups as monolithic in their thinking. A lot of the president's defenders say, oh, who's better for Israel. And BB Netanyahu says I move the embassy to Jerusalem. What a great thing that is I stood up a with the Israelis against Iran. Well to be Zionist to be strongly. Pro Israel, certainly matters to Jews around the world including in America. But to be someone as president who vilifies immigrants when the bible tells us in the in the Judeo Christian tradition that we should love the strangers. We love ourselves. That's the deeply American value. Not just a religious value that matters to Jews as one. No, David, Gregory, Maggie Haberman. Thanks, very much one of the bombs one of the bomb sent last week was addressed to billionaire democratic donor Tom style on CNN state of the union over the weekend star said he blames the president for creating the atmosphere that exists with what he calls corruption and lawlessness the interview called the president's attention. He tweeted, quote, just watched wacky. Tom star who I've not seen an action before he interviewed by j be interviewed by Jake tapper. He comes off as a craze in stumbling lunatic who should be running out of money pretty soon as as bad as their field is if he is running for president the Dem's we'll eat him alive. I spoke at Tom star a short time ago for reaction. Mr. I all I want to get your reaction to the to to the president's tweet about you yesterday a day after the Pittsburgh shooting in two days after pipe bomb was was mailed to you saying that you come off as a quote crazed and stumbling lunatic, well Anderson my opinion about that tweet really had nothing to do with me. It was really a reflection. I thought of the president not doing his duty as president that. In fact, he was trying to make a political statement in response to my criticism of him that morning on CNN and his response was political. Whereas in fact, what I believe he should have been doing what he should have been concentrating on what his job is is to protect the American people. And to explain to the American people why we're in this crisis and how we're going to get out of it. And he didn't pay any attention to Israel job. He was too involved with himself. And too involved with his political machinations to do the right thing. Do you blame the the president's rhetoric at least in part for for the massacre here in Pittsburgh, the attempted bombings? Well, you know, I know Anderson that there has been a lot of talk about his violent rhetoric his calls for locker up and CNN socks and his divisive attitudes towards different people in American society. But I honestly believe it's much broader than that. I believe that this president is lawless. I believe he's corrupt. I believe he's criminal. And I believe that his behavior and the behavior of the Republican party in terms of their attitudes towards democracy and their disrespect for democratic norms and trying to prevent people from voting that their behavior has ushered in an atmosphere of lawlessness and has given permission to people who feel as if. There are no constraints anymore on decency, and what is acceptable behavior. Sarah Sanders mentioned the congressional baseball shooting that occurred last year Bernie Sanders supporter opened fire gravely wounded, Republican congressman Steve Scalise. Of course, Senator Sanders didn't have a list of specific people. He routinely vilified are mocked as the president does. But should Democrats? I mean is that that example, valid should Democrats bear some responsibility for the rhetoric writ large. We have heard, you know, Hillary Clinton talking about not being able to be civil with with with Republicans were heard some things maximum, Maxine Waters, and others of you know, Anderson, I think would happen to congressman Scalise is absolutely terrible. I think the person who did it was one hundred percent wrong. I can't imagine a democratic elected official doing anything. But saying he was. Wrong. And that anyone who thinks about doing that is wrong. And I think that's the difference. I'm waiting for the president to come out and say that the people who are dealing in. This kind of action are one hundred percent wrong that he doesn't want to them to support him that he is looking for fairness and equity in American society, and he's never gonna do it. The last week is, you know, how majority leader Kevin McCarthy sent out a tweet accusing you George Soros and Michael Bloomberg. I'm trying to buy the midterm elections for Democrats that tweet was was deleted the next day. Mccarthy spokesperson said last week that that he condemns violence or any acts of tempted violence, but there are some pointed out that that you saw rose on Bloomberg are Jewish or of Jewish descent your father, I believe was Jewish. How do you view that tweet? How did you view that tweet? Look, I think I think that that had to be considered an anti-semitic tweet. And I think that there's a reason that congressman McCarthy took it down. He was obviously embarrassed. He obviously realized that he had done something was wrong, and he was ashamed of it. And he should be ashamed of it. Tom sawyer? I appreciate your time. Thank you Anderson. Thank you for having me. Well, John does say the broadcast how the city is coming together. Help those wounded on on Saturday. I'll talk with the first responders who responded to the shootings. We'll be right back. Joining this week Mark van KE five Kentucky head coach John Calipari in November. I wanna still look like it's November. I don't wanna look like it's January February you got no growth. So we want to have that. So by the time we finish in March. We're playing best. It's what I try to do every year with my. March is three sixty five now at apple podcasts. And spotify. Friends and strangers are helping one another here in Pittsburgh volunteers today lined up at the at the arena where the the Pittsburgh Penguins play to to donate blood. Our Gary Tuchman reports that donors were told the way would be two hours the lines were so long the way it was often longer. Gary says no one complained at all people want us to do their part. Joining me now is Dr lending Weiss view UPN. See also, the assistant medical director of the city's EMS department. Mark Pinchot division chief they're pronounce your last name correctly. So doctor I understand you were you live nearby. You actually heard a commotion. Unfortunately, we're prepared to respond to situations with our physicians and our EMS normally. But I heard it firsthand. I woke up with what I thought was gunshots or I thought it was construction realized it was weapon fire. I heard yelling that was very unfamiliar for our neighborhood. Or any neighborhood, and I mmediately tried to jump into action. Call in to dispatch on the radio cellphone, whoever I could. And next thing. I knew I thought there was a safe jump in night put my boots on when outside and some colleagues already taking formation in all of our yards and chief you were you were already there when you were for me, I was actually on the road the had to work at the pet due to game day. And then I heard the call we responded here I met the supervisor on seeing he assumed overall mass command, I talk racial command, and we formed up a rescue task force. Which is the first time we a group of police and paramedics and we started moving on the site the start search and rescue and understanding he tried to to join in. But didn't have right we're adding into light. I had lived here. And then you wanna come with us, but he didn't have any up. Let's protections set them back to you realize you go without ballistic protect absolutely I've worked with Mark day to day, and we're very comfortable with each other. But our safety is is I and safety. Of our team members side is able to establish command just down the block where command structure staging area was trying to figure out where we're going to put the ambulances who's gonna go where and what's going to happen. What would you like through the soon it's chaotic, but we've been doing a lot of training on this for this contingency last two year. So I mean, we formed up I took five our people's oughta younger paramedics on EMT's jumped right in linked up with the police. We were very good working relationship with them. And we started moving toward toward we thought there were casualties, and you actually ended up having to treat some police officers. Yeah. So our tactical medics attached us what we're actually the first ones in and started finding deceased stones. Fortunately, without a couple of victims that they treated very aggressively extracted from the building, and they work their way up to the third fourth swat team that when swat came under fire and had a couple of casualties, our tactical medics called us up for additional support. So we moved in and they had. Those patients to us, and we started up treating on working on evacuating. I think the other thing people don't even realize you also end up. I mean in this case treating the shooter as well. Yeah. After he surrendered we did have to provide care to them a little hard for some are younger guys. But are legally morally we have to provide the same standard of care to have new anybody else. What do you what do you want people to know about this community about what happened? We're very strong peaceful diverse community here. The biggest thing is that when something happens. We're ready to respond with physicians. We have medical professionals paramedics that are highly trained to deal with these situations. It's just a shame that we would ever have to use this anywhere in our country. Let alone our town our neighborhood chief, it does seem like if the intention of this killer was to divide people. Make people hate each other. It's had the opposite impact of these here in this community seems to have really come together. Yeah. I think everyone's Rayleigh, I know in the public safety community people from across the country of them calling us up, you know, providing us. Support him in the community here too. I think everyone's born a pretty tight on around. This. It must be awesome to see so many people also lining up for hours. Donate blood. Let me wanting to do whatever. They can. Yeah. That's one of my biggest hopes and asks of our citizens of the US if there's a medical problem any emergency. Whether it's trauma medical. Help your neighbor help your civilian friend because we can only get help fast enough. And you something bad is going to happen. If you don't do something start CPR, donate blood. So it's available. Stop the bleed by putting attorney kit on we need each other's help. Doctor. Thank you so much you're doing on daily basis, especially if thank you so much really incredible work. The news continues wanna handed over to Chris. Cuomo Cuomo time starts right now. Chris. There was no one like Anthony boarding. There was no show like parts on the EMMY award winning CNN original series returns for one last ride around the world. Can to Indonesia to story is Spain. Here. We are west Texas to the lower lowly side chairs the Anthony bourdain parts on the final episodes Sundays at nine on CNN. Are you interested in learning how enterprise scale companies drive organic traffic to increase their online visibility than download the losses of search podcast from the heart of Silicon Valley? Here. 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Day 1,033: Nine witnesses to testify in week two of Trump impeachment

The 11th Hour with Brian Williams

45:48 min | 1 year ago

Day 1,033: Nine witnesses to testify in week two of Trump impeachment

"Tonight we're now just hours away from the latest round of marathon impeachment hearings just as tonight new transcripts are out from closed-door witness interviews more administration figures describing kind of shadow foreign policy while the president labels them never trumpers tonight. What's on the line going into tomorrow? And what to watch for him. Why Congress is looking back on the president's Britain answers to muller knowing what they know now also this evening? The president makes an unscheduled. Yeah Joe trip to the hospital on a Saturday raising a number of questions all of it as the eleventh hour gets underway on Monday night. Good evening once again from our NBC. News headquarters here in New York Day. One thousand thirty three of the trump administration as a new week because underway another dangerous week for this presidency. Courtesy of the House. Democrats running the impeachment inquiry the next round of live televised hearings set to start just hours from now. There are nine more witnesses scheduled to appear just this coming week late tonight. Two more witness transcripts were released east more on that in a moment tomorrow the hearings resume with two officials who were listening in on the July. Twenty five call with the new president of Ukraine hands hence advisor Jennifer Williams and national security staffer lieutenant. Colonel Alexander Vincent Washington Post reporting. Vincent is expected to testify about his alarm over trump's request to investigate his political opponents. We got a preview of Williams testimony over the weekend when transcript of her November seventh deposition was released she told investigators she took notes of the call and that quote the mention of those specific investigation seemed seemed unusual. She also said trump's requests seemed to be about his personal political agenda as opposed to a broader foreign policy objective of the United States. She then added. When I went back to check my notes I had written that president trump had raised Barista she had also told investigators she did not know why I bere- sma the Ukrainian gas company that put Joe Biden's son on the board was not in the call summary that we all got to see the one released to the public tomorrow afternoon? We'll see lawmakers questioned former special envoy to Ukraine Kurt Volcker and former senior National Security Council. Official Tim Morrison Morrison The New York Times reporting tonight that Volcker will tell lawmakers. He was out of the loop at key points in trump's effort to pressure Ukraine Peter Baker among the authors. There's that piece he's standing by to join us. In a moment Tim Morrison worked for former National Security Adviser John Bolton and over the weekend his deposition was released he. He testified that Bolton had met privately with trump and August to try to persuade the boss to release nearly four hundred million dollars in aid to Ukraine and that Unquote Ambassador Bolton simply said he wasn't ready to do it Morrison also told investigators about trump donor turned ambassador to the EU Gordon Son Lund's involvement in the administration's effort to pressure. Your Ukraine quote ambassador son believed at least related to me that the president. It was giving him instruction Gordon Sunlen scheduled to testify Wednesday morning. It's likely to be an eventful day. Remember he has already amended his. I closed door deposition revealing that. He told a top Ukrainian official. The country probably would have to give in to trump's demands and announced investigations investigations into his political rivals. The Biden's if they wanted to unlock the military aid the Wall Street Journal says it has seen emails. Els Sunland sent to several White House officials keeping them in the loop up to date on efforts to get Ukraine to launch those investigations in the weeks weeks leading up to that now critical July twenty five. Call the number two house. Republican one of trump's more vocal defenders was asked over the weekend about about what Sunland might say on Wednesday congressman. scalise if Gordon Assad who met with the president a half dozen times this Summer testifies on Wednesday. The president said to me. We're not releasing the aid until they announced they're going to investigate the Biden's and Barack Resona doesn't that blow a hole in the president's defense. Well the president's defense is that those things didn't happen. Are you going to say that. He's he's wrong that he's lying. Look I know you've been asking and others vast hypothetical questions. Let's talk in reality. Are you willing to to abide by. Whatever Gordon's says happened by Gordon? I abide by what the president did and what presidents Alinsky actually receive SEIB. As we mentioned there are new transcripts tonight from two upcoming witnesses. One is from Foreign Service officer David Holmes. He's the one who gave gave closed door testimony. Friday he is to testify publicly. This coming Thursday. He's the person who said he overheard. Sunland tell trump over a cell phone call. Ukraine would move forward with the investigation that trump had asked for in that July twenty fifth call in his closed door deposition homes told lawmakers lawmakers he clearly recalls the conversation because it was quote an extremely distinctive experience in my foreign service career. I've never ever seen anything like this. Someone calling the president from a mobile phone at a restaurant and then having a conversation of this level of candor colorful language. There's just so much about the call. That was so remarkable that I remember it vividly. He went on to say it was assumed that American electronic communications vacations were being monitored in Ukraine. All of that brings us to our leadoff discussion on a Monday night. The aforementioned Peter Baker Chief White House correspondent on it for the New York Times Co author notably of the new book impeachment and American history. Mika Oh Yang Attorney and former staffer for both the house Intel and armed armed services committees and Katie Benner Justice Department reporter for the New York Times. Good evening and welcome to you all counselor. I'd like to begin with you here in New York. What is this week likely to yield? How further down the road on the story? Are we likely to be sitting here Friday night. So what we saw saw last week was the action happening in Ukraine are officials in Ukraine understood. Where the president's instructions and why it was so important that they're investigating corruption? This week the action moves to Washington Washington inside the White House. And we're going to hear from people who are hearing directly from the President what he wanted in terms of this exchange with Ukrainians four foreign investigation exchange of White House at foreign investigation of his rival and the Republicans are going to have a very hard time arguing that these are people who are not indirect communication with the president so there fall bax are falling away with each increasing witness. That's true every time they have come forward with a defense of the president. What they we have found is that defenses later undercut by the facts of the president? Didn't say this directly that the president didn't know every time we get a subsequent witnesses said actually I I heard the president say this. I heard the president. Say on a call to Gordon Sunland. I heard other officials tell me that this is exactly what the president told them to do. Peter Considering Volcker was special show on void Ukraine. If he indeed tries to argue he was out of the loop of phrase we all I learned in the lexicon from the the era of Bush forty one. How is that likely to go over? Well he's got some explaining to do in his testimony because he was the first one called in for closed door deposition -sition and some of the things he said in that position would later in conflict with testimony. Given by some of the other witnesses for instance he gives a blander description of the July tenth meeting at the White House that we've later learned included John Bone abruptly ending Ed and Fiona Hill Confronting Gordon Sunland and later golden saying so. You know I'm not gonNA be part of any drug deal. He has to explain that Y. He didn't know that Gordon Zahn told the Ukrainians that in fact the security the aid release was tied to whether they didn't announce investigations or not. Now what he's GonNa say in his testimony were told is that he hadn't been told about Gordon Sahlins this conversation with Ukrainians and he hadn't been told that the president's Alinsky of Ukraine was being pressured to go on CNN to make a statement and that that July tenth beating he simply. You didn't hear the things that other people have reported not challenging their accounts but says it's possible he was talking with somebody else at the time and didn't happen to hear the particular words that were exchange so that's going to be interesting because he's one of the witnesses. The Republicans wanted to call because they thought that he offered them some testimony that was useful to them he said in his first. Go round in the closed-door door deposition that he didn't know of any quid pro quo attached to the security aide. Now of course we have testimony to the contrary from other witnesses. Katie Benner the president. It has no shortage of loyal cabinet. Officers the guy you cover the attorney general among the most loyal to this president. Talk to us about out. The case attorney. General Bar made this weekend about the president's conduct. Sure without ever saying the word impeachment Attorney General Bar Basically said that the president has extraordinary power so much power that it can't be limited it can't be really hemmed in by Congress. He sees the impeachment procedure as is an attempt to undo a duly elected president and he sees what he calls the resistance and of course what. Democrats claim Solomon's resistant. He sees that as a way of undermining owning democracy going against the constitution and basically trying to say that elections have consequences now. What's interesting about this is that it almost lays out a roadmap for the argument game at the Senate may variable make so should the president be impeached? Should this go to trial in the Senate as macos mentioned a lot of the arguments that have been made by Republican. So far have been batted down as witness after witness comes forward so they may very well echo this argument. which is the president? Had the power to do this and it was not wrong. And of course that bumps up against the classic argument that the President or any one of us is above the laws of this land right and so what bar was saying that you know as president while President he he has executive power that executive power is to make decisions in his lane. His Lane just happens to be extremely broad covers. The Defense Department covers. The Justice permanent covers the State Department. And if this is what he wants to do. This is okay boy. Mika it's hard to know where to go from here Jennifer Williams writes the word Barista down in her contemporaneous notes of listening to the President of the United States on the phone. Barista the word the proper noun the proper now yes. That's right appears nowhere. In the summary We all receive which the president erroneously keeps calling the transcript. Read the transcript we would love to read a transcript of the call What does that omission tell you or is it insignificant? It's actually very significant. And one of the reasons it significant is because as Volcker testified Barista and Biden were linked inextricably in the mind of the president's attorney Rudy Rudy Giuliani. The he saw those things as a way a way of investigating the Biden's in a way that would politically benefit the president. Now there's some question about whether or not the president links those two things because burris itself was a company that had some questions about it. Don't corruption but it doesn't occur in the context of that it occurs in the context of Biden Heiden and so if burris must coming up if that's conveyed to Dolinsky is this is the investigation that you need to start that. It's very clear that the president is trying to get Dolinsky to basically engage in like the planting of evidence against a rival of his now. One of the challenges on that is there are limits on the present behavior in the constitution. It's not unfettered power. As far as his defense of the president the constitution says the president can be removed for treason. Bribery and other high crimes and misdemeanors misdemeanors. And what you see here in this. The President Sanctums Alinsky. I'll give you the aid if you start this investigation. Is the president trying to bribes Alinsky into a corrupt act the investigation of his rival by giving him something that is an official act from trump. That trump is trying lying to withhold and indeed when the speaker came out and use the B word bribery. That's the point they're trying to hammer at. That's exactly right and part of the reason why they're so focused on this question. Is it an explicit thing that the framers included in the constitution to say. The president can't engage in bribery which they understood as using the powers of the office for your own personal personal benefit and Katie Benner. Is there any peril to the president continuing to take shots at witnesses in real time which he did during the Muller investigation. It's now and every time he does that he puts himself on more peril. So for example we saw with witness former ambassador to Ukraine. He tweeted about her and he said things that she felt were threatening and immediately Adam Schiff said you know what we take witness intimidation very seriously almost in with the president was reading yet. Another impeachment Clause for him breading another article impeachment for himself right then and there witness tampering. He almost can't help himself so the heat is turned up as witnesses. Come out this week. It will be interesting to see whether or not he continues ten years to overstep his boundaries in a way that that the house could Hughes against him. Peter Breaker we have to talk about the president's health because it's an issue because he did something over the weekend highly unusual. We've all become accustomed of learning. You know today is the president's annual physical at Walter Reed. Well Saturday without any prior notice. A motorcade was assembled and the president was hustled. Out to Walter Reed it led. Do you all kinds of reporting the president had to deny was anything on toward said it was routine indeed tonight Dr Shawn Conley. Who is a a commander in the US Navy? The president's physician has tried to settle the matter. They've put out this memo. He wrote to the Press Secretary for Republic distribution saying it was a planned interim checkup part of primary. Preventative Care The president has not had any chest pain nor was he evaluated valuated or treated for any urgent or acute issues specifically he did not undergo any specialized cardiac or neurologic evaluations nations. That wording is important. Those denials there are denials of the rumors that we chase down and reported on and kept hearing all day long. So what are we to make of this at the end of the day. Yeah it's very interesting. You don't see a statement like this at ten o'clock at night from the White House vision. There's you don't see a trip to the hospital like we saw on Saturday very often to be honest with you. He did go through a regular Annual physical just in February. It's only nine months later. You don't normally do this without announcing it in advance as he had in the past now they said look. This is just an opportunity to get in some some partial test. In other words partial well Toward this annual physical. They will continue it after the New Year. The doctor said but suspicions and remember. There's a long history of lots of white houses and lots of presidents. Not telling that's the full truth about health conditions of their presidents and this is not exactly a White House known for its forthcoming nature to begin with. So there's obviously a lot of suspicion they're trying to douse suspicion with the statement. The doctor not just a statement by Stephanie. Grisham the White House Press Secretary but by navy commander who you presume is more committed to making sure that his reports are accurate. Precise and honest. And they're hoping I think to kind of put an end to the speculation but it does still leave a lot of questions. Why do they do it on Saturday? Why didn't they tell us in advance? What else is going on here? One good thing for the president. According to the exam results that the doctor release was his. Cholesterol is down. He's been taking medication for that is back into a more healthier range. That's a good thing. Obviously for his help but they didn't release any other exam results. They didn't release away. They didn't release any other lists of exams. He might or might not have taken any future exams they plan to give him with. We're much obliged to our big three tonight. Never never can tell which topics are going to come up at this hour Peter Baker to Meco Yang to Katie Benner. Our thanks for helping us out and coming on the night coming up. The new congressional investigation goes back in time to so what the president told Muller in his written answers and whether or not he was being truthful. We'll ask a former. US Attorney about that and later we have an exclusive on some new data showing the ways that Russia is already honing. Its Message and picking favorites in the twenty twenty election as the eleventh hour is just getting started kicking off this new week. Hey eleventh-hour our listeners. Steve Kornacki here. I WanNa tell you about a new. NBC News podcast. I'm hosting called article two inside impeachment. It's exclusively dedicated to bringing you the latest developments on the impeachment inquiry in the president. Donald Trump. Every Monday Wednesday and Friday. I'M GONNA BE TALKING TO NBC News reporters who are closest to the story. Sorry to break down. What's new? What matters and what it means for the twenty twenty election and our country since you love the eleventh hour? I thought you'd enjoy it. Search now for article article two inside impeachment. Wherever you're listening to this podcast and subscribe for free? Thanks for listening. We are reduced to saying things like make of this what you will but today. The president said he would strongly consider testifying in the impeachment. Inquiry discounts has charlie savage of the New York Times reports about the last time trump's submitted written answers at least to an investigation against him quote house. Democrats are exploring whether the president trump lied in his written answers to Robert Muller's investigation. A lawyer for the House told a federal appeals court on Monday raising the prospect of an additional basis for for an article of impeachment the acknowledgement refocused attention on a quiet debate among Democrats about whether any impeachment of Mr Trump should go beyond the Ukraine affair and also accuse accuse them of obstructing the Russia investigation back with us. Tonight is Chuck Rosenberg former. US Attorney former senior official at the FBI also happens to host just are popular. podcast called for good reason the oath. Alright Chuck what. Specific portion of the written testimony already submitted did is raising flags now after the fact subset question. Is this a makeable case. Yeah so the portion we should focus John. His President Trump's denials that he knew about the connections with wikileaks that he was soliciting information about it really that he had any knowledge that wikileaks had played a role in You know sort of exposing stolen emails to the public. And what should we you know. Is it a makeable. Oh case Gosh prior new. That's much more difficult question. Perjury is a hard charge to bring normally what you need to make a successful perjury case is a rather precise question and a rather emphatic. Answer and I've watched a lot a lot of congressional hearings but I haven't seen a lot of precise questions and so is it makeable. Yes is it easy. No and also the president couch so many of his answers in the following. Way In the best of my recollection. Or I don't really recall but and when you have those types of answers it becomes even more difficult to make a perjury case. Let's take the president and his word. He says he strongly considering Testifying I isn't if if he insists on written answers again. Why isn't that a waste of everyone's time all over again? It's a waste of everyone's time all over again as a prosecutor. I never took written answers I would never want a written answer are they are virtually useless. Sometimes you'll see this in civil litigation but not in criminal now. I know an impeachment inquiry isn't quite a criminal case ace. But it's a it's an analog to one and here's the problem with Brian those questions despite what Mr Trump said we're not prepared by him they were prepared by his lawyers lawyers and carefully so and so so many again so many of the questions were You know rather precise from the Muller team someone of the answers were incredibly. I believe they if I were Adam Schiff if I were the Democrats I don't want that it's a waste of my time. It doesn't get me anywhere. Doesn't get me anywhere. And it doesn't permit me me as an investigator to gauge someone's tone or demeanor or to follow up with more pointed questions if I don't think they're telling me the truth. I think it's a waste of time chuck late last week. We saw a rare bit of emotion from you on the subject of our secretary of state is surmised on the Air Friday night that it was exactly because as you had taken an oath more than once to serve your country and here's a guy or secretary of state Famously graduated number. One in his West Point Class S. Nineteen eighty-six and has been in his career and army officer. Why the question is why? Hasn't he been supporting offering air. Eric Cover for his people. His employees among them veteran foreign service officers. The subject came up at the State Department today. We'll show oh you pompilio and talk about it on the other side. I always defense date more poison. Greatest diplomatic corps in the history of the world. He's talking about Ukraine policy. So I'm curious if you you think ambassador Taylor has been an effective policy. And if he's going to remain his job or if the president has lost confidence in him deportment. Fantastic job. I we delivered in a way that the Obama administration has not delivered on Ukraine's thanks. Everybody have a fantastic so counselor. You heard him there. He was given a direct chance to offer support a direct chance to talk about his employees by name. He's an accomplished. I man Brian. And he's an intelligent man but he's a coward. I said that last week and derived absolutely no pleasure from saying it but I stand by every word that I uttered look leadership means taking care of your people and when they're being attacked by the president of the United States that imperative does not change. He has failed as people. He has failed as a leader. And it's deeply disappointing. And so he had a chance just now you showed it on camera to emphatically state. That Eddie stood by ambassador. Taylor an ambassador Yovani rich and the men and women of the State Department and he gave us nothing but platitudes. When asked a specific question he walked away? Hey there is his answer Brian. I know you well enough to know. There's no joy in your answer. Chuck Rosenberg thank you as always for coming on the broadcast here with US tonight. Yes sir sure coming up for us. Donald trump was their candidate of choice in two thousand sixteen Putin said so publicly but which candidates are Russian state media rooting for four rooting. Against this time around. This could be telling. We have new and exclusive analysis of this very question right when we come back. Did you want president trump to win the election. Did you direct any of your officials to help him do that because he talked about bring. US A special relationship back to normal. So we know who Russia favored in two thousand sixteen and now a new analysis of Russian back news coverage is shedding light. On on which candidates the Kremlin may be focused on heading into twenty twenty. You may come across their stories when changing the Channel or surfing the Internet. But it's important to remember when you see those rt or sputnik news logos. You are getting information from Russian state-sponsored news Outlets the foreign policy research institute has analyzed over seventeen hundred news articles this year from RT and Sputnik News. It found the following. Joe Biden was mentioned more than three hundred times and led the way in terms of negative coverage with a fifty three percent rating. On on the flip side the analysis found that Hawaii Democratic Congresswoman Tulsi Gabbard was the overwhelming favorite with sixty one in mansions and forty six percent favorable coverage. Our next guest Glyn Watts worked on the analysis and he writes this quote for Russia thus far Biden in two twenty twenty. What Hillary Clinton was to twenty sixteen here for his exclusive report? The aforementioned Clint Watts former FBI special agent a distinguished research fellow at the Foreign Policy Research Institute author of Messing with the enemy surviving in a social media world of hackers terrorists Russians and and fake news Clinton. Thank you for rolling this out here tonight. Thanks for coming on. Why focus on these news outlets and not the traditional twitter addresses the bots and the trolls that drove so much of it in two thousand? Sixteen if you look back four years ago compared to now Russia led the way in disinformation and use of social media. We know a lot about this from the Muller report fast forward to now. There's so much disinformation out on social media platforms. It's very very difficult to parse out. What would be Russia? Iran or China to other countries will will look at in this project or any domestic influence activity. And so. What's remarkable when you look at this going back to the last election and you put Very appropriately in the opening here Vladimir Putin doesn't hide who they like or who they don't like if you read read what the Russian news outlets are putting out what their take is on the different candidates. They'll actually signaled they'll point such that you can then go look and social media and you can try and find where that inauthentic activity is where those might be pushing where that faker manipulated news might be leading. Someone in a direction isn't quite the truth because we're all news consumers. I always ask you when you come on for a consumer guide. What Ca- what does this messaging look like? What are these stories? Look like. What's the tone home? What do they say about Biden that so good so bad and Gabbard that so good for example? Well there's two kinds of bias you can inject it doesn't matter what kind of News L. You're one you can. Just overtly stay bias inside the articles right. You can take a very positive slant or a negative slant or its selection bias. which is you just select stories analogous lex stories which then leads to a framing of a candidate as being positive or negative? What Russia does this quite fascinating as they are much like any? US News outlet. That's out there but they're very. Hey good pushing the corners when you look at those charts I always look at about seventy percent of mentions we'll be neutral and that'd be very consistent with any. US News outlet that you might see where we're always looking at the fringes when you go towards the negative or towards the positive you see that middle number of neutral move in one direction or another. That's where that very slight nick push left or right positive or negative is going for those candidates and so with Biden. It's fascinating not only. Does he show the most overwhelming compared to the rest of the field probably a lot. More percentage wise than what you'd see in the United States it focuses generally on a couple issues one his age and his health very similar to what we saw with Hillary Clinton's health back four years ago and then the other part is Ukraine hundred Biden a that sort of a conspiracy is already there and it echoes. A lot of what the president is talking about in the United States. This time around. They don't really rush. It doesn't need to make fake news or manipulated truce. America's doing plenty of that forum and you see them mostly recycling cycling repurposing specific narratives. This case out of the president and then pushing against spider himself how do they how do they talk up Tulsi Gabbard. They just speak speak to what her issues are but what they're doing is they're actually pushing her and pushing her content talking about or more than you would see typically in the audience base for Russia. They what what she says is perfect for what they want Americans to here. She is pushing against the established Democratic Party. She's army officer with a combat record. She's been over over to Iraq. She is saying that the US should withdraw from foreign battlefields. I think she alluded last debate. That president trump was backing al Qaeda and Syria which is pretty crazy statement to make so all of these things position on Syria visiting the side? These are things that Russia wants support. So it's natural for them to amplify her a her positions. We are not done in fact we are just starting this conversation with you because we've got a long year ahead. Please promised to come back and continue talking. I will and Iran. Ron is up next. We'll do a very similar analysis and we'll also talk about president trump and the Republican candidates using the same exact metrics as well test. I've not fantastic. But you know what I mean Clinton lots thank you so much for coming on coming up for US ahead of this week's public hearings. A smear campaign continues aimed directly only at those witnesses seated at the table more on that when we come back. Hey It's Chris Hayes. Sometimes it's good to just take a step back from the day to day onslaught of news and take a broader. Look at the issues. That's what I'm doing each week. My podcast why is this happening. Were exploring topics ranging ranging from school segregation to climate change. Well the way that I think of it is. Climate Change will be to the twentieth century. What Madeira not was the nineteenth century? It'll be the central subject of of questions about economic justice. Everything you care about in the world will be affected by climate and digging deep with guess uniquely qualified to analyze issues from mass incarceration to race relations as you so for the first time in our history at the national level whites are on the verge of losing their majority status in twenty years. And I think it's no coincidence that our politics are getting more more tribal. Join me for. Why is this happening? New episodes every Tuesday wherever you get your podcasts. Von of it's the target of a smear campaign by Roy Don shower transcripts. The president of Ukraine was not a fan of hers. Either I mean he did not exactly say slowing things squeezing never-trumper his lawyers the head of the never trumpers. They're dying breed but they're still there. Nobody had with all those people very few people that I know came forward and they only came forward when you as and some about them and never trumpers. Colonel is a never-trumper we'll be joined that you real soon. Not Clear what the president was referring hiring to there but he continues to respond to this growing evidence against him with attacks on the impeachment inquiry witnesses that includes an aide to his own vice president. Let's not forget. He called Jennifer Williams never-trumper and suggested she read the summaries he released of two calls with the president of Ukraine. That was his advice. Nice to her Williams who works in the White House was actually on the July call so she can do one better. She's one of nine witnesses scheduled for this week's public hearings with US tonight to talk about all of it Korean jean-pierre chief public affairs officer for move on and Allama of both the Obama campaign and the Obama Obama White House also happens to be the author of the new book. Moving forward a story of hope hard work and the promise of America and Rick Wilson Republican strategist outages due soon to be following up on his first work. Everything trump touches dies with his new work running against the devil due out in early. Twenty twenty good evening and welcome. Come to you both So Rick Wilson Given that lead in. I'm reminded that Senator Ron Johnson. Republican Wisconsin called Vin men a bureaucrat trying to a sabotage the president are the Republicans position changing on the fly. If you're a vulnerable Republican senator and one of your colleagues talking that way. It can't be good for you know you've got you've got to wonder about how far they can push this fairly bogus argument that are members of the secret. Never trump in Kabul. This is a guy who has had honorable and courageous service in the military. He has a serious person. And it reflects terribly on on guys like Ron Johnson. And the and the enabler caucus of Donald trump to try to attack their integrity and attack their history and to try to ascribe for them. You know I've missed colonel. Never trump meeting meeting sorry. Sorry to disappoint the Donald on that one but this is a guy who has seen something and as as have many many other witnesses now and it requires requires this structure that says every single one of these people is a liar and only Donald Trump tells the truth. That's the structure that puts them at risk politically down the line. Corrine a lot of Democrats a lot of folks remember what happened during the Cavanaugh hearings. We remember almost burned into your mind. The concern vases of of the flakes of the world of the Collins of the world. We know how they all voted in the end. What are the chances that this could and in a similar way so I think the difference here? Brian is that the longer that you see The public sees Donald Trump's criminality analogy out in the public kind of in the public as a top story the worse it actually is for Republicans and the better it is for Democrats. There was stories upon stories stories. About how impeachment would hurt Democrats but under Nancy Pelosi's leadership she has kept to the message. made it about the facts not made it about politics. Tuxedo impeachment is a political act. But you don't even see that the case that America have is so strong and what are Republicans are saying their message which is okay. Yes he did it. But it's not impeachable but you don't see that in the polling you. The polling is moving more and more the public opinion towards Democrats. The impeachment impeachment supporting the impeachment inquiry even to a point where they support impeachment and removal. And so this is where we are. And let's not forget about Kentucky Louisiana that has changed this whole game as well. Donald Trump put impeachment on the platform in Kentucky in Louisiana Louisiana Kentucky. Lucky they had ads. The governor. There had Republican governor had ads on impeachment so the the politics on this is changing very very quickly Korean. You're so so right to bring that up the reelection of John Bel Edwards just this weekend Rick is is Bolton testimony. A potential game changer to you if we we see him raise his right hand. I think it's important for two big reasons. The first is John. Bolton is a particular space and the conservative ferment. He is a guy who spans all the way back to the the Reagan era. Frankly even certainly before as a national security Republican he has never been Venal. He's ever been a guy trying to monetize anything. He's never had an agenda except for his belief insecurity. You can disagree with it or not. But that's what John Bolton is. The second thing is highly relevant is. He's the national security advisor to the president of the the United States who is going to have direct first person knowledge of the conversation. He is out there. Saying this is a drug deal is going to the council trying to to to to short circuit. This crazies Giuliani scheme. That trump has insomnia running. He's doing all these things that that are now part of the legal record and if he testifies about them it puts the president very much directly in the centre. We have motive. We have action we have we have. Donald Trump is the impetus for this program. And I think it raises the the stakes significantly for the president Both of our guests have agreed to stay with us over the break when we come back. The Senate Majority leader predicting the the impeachment debate will now stretch into the new year. Twenty twenty more on unlikely collision of priorities in Congress. Let's not forget the campaign trail when we come back. Well I'll tell you this particular point is it. Looks to me like the House is going to be on this until Christmas getting comes over to the Senate displaces all other business. The chief justice of the United States is in the chair. Senators are not allowed to speak if to sit there and I'm not sure how long it will go on. I don't know how much longer guess it depends on. How many more witnesses they have you expect that to be wrapped wrapped up before the end of the had? No idea again. I don't have any timetable for that. No will anyone notice if it displaces all other Senate business we hasten listen to ask House and Senate leadership there seem to agree on one thing. It is unlikely. The impeachment inquiry will be over by the end of this year could could still be well underway deep into the twenty twenty primary season. Here's how the calendar or shaping up by the way. There are forty three days until the end of 2019. Three days until government funding runs out. That's expected to get an extension C.. Kicking the can down the road and the Thanksgiving recess starts three days after that. It's twenty seven days until the end of year recess when the House and Senate go home until after the New Year air and seventy seven days from now. The Iowa caucuses back with US colleen. Joan Pierre and Rick Wilson Corinne. What should we remake of this and this is where I ask you if Democrats can walk and Chew Gum? There are a number of Democrats in this race with seats in one one of these houses. Yeah I think Democrats can walk into them. I think that's why public opinion is moving towards the Democrats argument because they're putting together a strong case of I stated before it's funny to hear Mitch McConnell Talking about the Senate business. When he calls his goals he calls his Senate the Graveyard Democrats Democrats have passed more than three hundred pieces of legislation? And a lot of it. All of it really sitting on the desk of Mitch McConnell so Mitch. McConnell is playing with the weak hand in his head only gets weaker. Brian what are the things that Republicans and trump want Mitch. McConnell to do is they want him to do one of these show trials for two days and be done with it but he can't do that because he knows that he's not going to get the vote and he has those vulnerable senators that no that the charges charges that are being accused of being accused of Donald trump are serious and a show. Trial would hurt them. So I think Dahmer Democrats actually have the strong hand on this and it's interesting just to see how week for the first time you see. McConnell is in this in the space working make the case. Yes I know you can make about McConnell and those vulnerable Republican Senators Bryan. I think what's the number one factor whether Donald trump lives or dies is politically speaking. Is Mitch McConnell Waking Up one morning and looking at the polling in Maine and Colorado in Arizona and other places and saying we're GONNA lose majority and if he thinks he's going to lose the majority. This will flip over in a hot minute. The only thing Mitch McConnell cares about preserving his majority in the Senate he doesn't Donald Trump could be is set on fire. And and Mitch McConnell would stand there and go. Oh I'm keeping my dirty good could deal. That's all over. Look like would he give a signal that a vote to remove is he would allow he would allow some of these people that he's kept in check and they are in that category of of Republicans. You would think would be right on this issue because they are people who have some integrity. We kept them very strongly in line saying our base will destroy us if we don't do this if we don't defend him at every turn these guys and I don't want even name them in part because we can name Mitt Romney obvious but there are guys that you would look at ordinarily and say the people with integrity you say Rob Portman for example. The folks like that who ordinarily would be people that that would reject. This is kind of criminal behavior outright and call him out on. It are not going to be in a position of Mitch McConnell. Let's breaks off where they feel as restrained as they do you if it looks like it's GonNa if the public numbers of move where the Republicans you to lose the majority games over Corinne you have me thinking about your mention of both Kentucky and Louisiana. Of course you're in the turnout business really. Do you think this will well and Power Democrats. You heard a lot of self criticism. After the last election that their ground game was week that they weren't going state and local. They were looking looking at racist feeling intimidated and not not deciding not to play. Do you think this will build upon itself absolutely if you look at the political result zolt electoral results in two thousand seventeen and twenty eighteen and now twenty nineteen there is. There is a turning point here. You have the the suburban areas you have a would turn out. It was a coalition if you think about it the suburban areas and black voters in Kentucky and Louisiana coming out and if I'm I'm the Republicans I'm very worried about losing in these two very deep deep red states and I think that there is a reason for Democrats to be encouraged. I think you have voters off their voters. Who voted for trump in two thousand sixteen now turning around in off year? Election saying enough is enough. We are done here and now twenty twenty is right around the corner. Rick Wilson the thirty seconds we have left explain to people that being a Louisiana Democrat. Crat would get you membership in the Republican Party in most other states pretty much Louisiana was a red state. Trending more red particularly after Katrina and this large accidents of African American voters. This this was a place where the we're flying into the rally on paper should have been a great idea. And if it had been President Jeb Bush or Marco Rubio present. 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Russia Is Meddling Again, And The U.S. Is Making It Easy

The Diane Rehm Show

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Russia Is Meddling Again, And The U.S. Is Making It Easy

"My Name is Paul Butler I'm a law professor at Georgetown and the author of chokehold polic- black men, and let's get free a hip hop fury of justice. I've known Diane, Ream for at least twenty, five years. I've been a guest program what I appreciate about the podcast is she is still up today and she still keeps her listeners up to date with what's in the news right now I'm really glad that she still has this forum that we still have this opportunity to process the US. I think a lot of flying Diane's voice our conflict. That's why she's so good at what she does. Diane. On my mind what we know about Russia attempts to header appear in twenty twenty election. Through the spread is him formation online? Easier reports that tap into the deep divisions in America. Russians are added again. But they're not the only one. while. Those human intelligence and American public have better understanding at the tactics stopping these efforts coming from domestic or is it is as well is still proved a challenge. Like, four years ago the president continues to deny it's happening. For that Russia's actions are a threat to US democracy. I asked Shane Harris intelligent national security reporter at the Washington Post to explain what we know. Shane. As stand two months away from the presidential election. What do we know about ways in which Russia may be trying to enter tear? I think we actually know a good amount right now and I would kind of put it into two separate buckets. One being what I would call sort of trying to influence opinion in social media space and the second a little bit more targeted and I think more troubling. On the first, we see Russia doing some of the same things that it didn't twenty sixteen creating bots or might call trolls that operate on social media that posts things that might be incendiary or divisive or in favor of one candidate against another, and then we've also seen them taking stories that really did occur events the did occur and then amplifying them to essentially make a much bigger deal about them so. There was a very notable case for instance, during the some of the protests in Portland, which, of course, many which you know turn quite violent and chaotic. In some instances there was video captured of a protester burning a Bible while we know from reporting by the New York Times and the work of some researchers if that video got picked up in Russian media and then shared in social media in the US. So, in that case, where this real event did occur, it got amplified and turn it from a story of and individual protests are burning able into story that protesters plural were burning lots of bibles and this kind of gets picked up and amplified and shared in various social media circles. I have family members who sought and asking questions about it. Of starts to fulfil a narrative at some people might have that these protesters are out of control and the hate America make God what whatever. So the Russians kind of play a bit of amplification role in that, which is also not unusual. We saw instances that in twenty sixteen in this kind of second bucket of more targeted information what we know from the Director of National Intelligence Office where they do all the election security monitoring and reporting we've done at the post and elsewhere there is a a Ukrainian lawmaker friendly to the Kremlin who himself has ties to the KGB who has been. Circulating misinformation about Joe, Biden and allegations about Joe Biden's son at corruption in Ukraine. This will all sound familiar because of course, this was the subject area that got trump trouble alternately impeached and has been trying to get that information out in the public, and in one case we believe even filtering over to a US senator to try and get him to Jonathan investigation into the Biden's which, of course was something Donald Trump wanted. So they're more much more precise kind of targeted disinformation misinformation and that has been flagged by the Director of National Intelligence as Russia's attempt to interfere in the election. What held emails hacking the emails releasing them is evidence of that. We have no evidence of that yet, which I think is reassuring or should be. I think most experts I've talked to people in the intelligence community feel that in two thousand, sixteen, those theft in the leaking to wikileaks. DNC emails. Clinton campaign emails was probably the most serious and aggressive operation. They saw by Russia maybe had the most. To interfere in the election may even change people's minds. We have not seen that yet. Important to remember though organizations often when they are hacked may not know they've been hacked until the information has been disclosed. So we only know what we know. We don't know what we don't, but so far we have not seen the Russians running that play that they had twenty sixteen. WHAT AT OUT Site Call. -rupt lay our PD L. Y., which is owned by the Russian backed media network or D-. What are they doing? What we've seen from this site kind of goes to earlier example that I was discussing about how a story will get picked up and amplified. We see sites like roughly also I mean another I would point to as a site called sputnik that has been linked to to to Russia. The Russian government links is sometimes kind of little seedbeds were stories will start and then get amplified in picked up by a larger network maybe RT and then hopefully into possibly into the. into the Western media stream. So when we think about kind of the way that these stories developed sometimes, they'll start on smaller sites like that and then kind of get attraction enough eyeballs or seeing it online and then grow into something that looks more like a legitimate story because it might have been reported now by a number of different outlets. So we kind of kind of see like a little bit of a of a factory progression maybe even through sites like that. So, how believable are these kinds of sites? How realistic do they look? I think if you go to them, I mean they will often look like real websites. Right? They have a tabloid quality. I think a lot of times. More, discerning reader will recognized incendiary or tendentious headlines. things that we might say look like Click Bait. You know but I think if you were just sort of a user on the Internet and you're seeing a story, go through your stream and you're not necessarily looking at where it came from. But maybe you're just looking at how many times it's been shared. You know the the authenticity factor kind of. A little bit you're seeing friends of yours share, the story that might make you more likely to believe that in frankly there their American websites that you go to that. Have screaming headlines looks sort of misleading to write. Russian websites in general that we've seen that are trafficking in misinformation and outright this information, they look more sophisticated they. They have a more kind of Westerns feel if you look at by contrast Iranian websites, for instance that have been put up in recent years to try and mirror sites sort of black lives matter movement you know they have obvious grammatical errors. They don't look like what we think of websites looking like the Russians have gotten better at making ones I think just have. A. More sophisticated look or sophisticated enough. So, she ain't pressed tin trump has talked a great deal lightly about. The hazards of mail in voting. Benton the other day he suggested to people that they actually vote twice. You know go ahead and by mail and then show up at your polling place. We recently learned Russia's efforts to undermine confidence in mail in voting. First of all, what do we know second of all who started this president trump. Russia. Second, one's a great question to the first one. So what we know so far comes largely from a bulletin that was put together recently by the Homeland Security Department, and they have a role election security as well and what this said was Russian media and they didn't identify them precisely but were spreading stories trying to. Lend credence to the idea that Mayland of voting is not secure and it's rife with fraud. Now, of course, this is an idea that donald trump has been talking about for quite some time which then gives to the question of is Donald Trump amplifying what he's reading in Russian sources or a Russian sources amplifying with Donald Trump is already saying and regardless of who started it. And I don't know that we know exactly who may have. There is a feedback loop here that now appears to be generated, and if you read that Homeland Security Bulletin, which was only together a few days ago and you kind of read between the lines, they're not saying the Russians rambled find Donald Trump, they are saying the Russians are trying to amplify claims, allegations and suspicions that. Are Now being discussed in the United States and of course, you know the the major spokesperson for that has been the president it really to me underscores you know the luck that the Russians must feel in some of these operations where they can extend all of this time energy perhaps trying to get an idea or a a false claim perpetuated online, but the man with the biggest. Microphone on the planet is kind of doing their work for them. In some cases you know if there's if there's if people are believing right now in America, that mail in voting is not safe. My suspicion is that because either they've heard it from the president or he is kind of stoked in underlying concern that they had not because they read an article on rt or sputnik. Are you as in instigative agencies looking into the stuff that the Russians are doing and what are they finding? Well. What we know right now is that intelligence agencies in the Homeland Security Department certainly are monitoring it in so far as they can go online the way you and I can look at these stories and try to figure out what they add up to. Now, I'm not aware that the FBI is precisely investigating any particular actions by Russia. They are certainly always on the lookout for that and the US intelligence community as just as a matter of course, is always looking into in for information campaigns by the Russians particularly more now in two thousand, sixteen than. They were before the Director of National Intelligence Office has been criticized by particular for not sharing enough of what it is that they are learning Democratic lawmakers said look you've put out some statements they're kind of broader general. There's a lot more detail that story that we are getting classified setting. So what I think that tells you is that in the intelligence community, they are investigating this they're looking more closely into it and I think they're coming up with more details when I talked to sources you know what they will say is that yes, there is More that we have not revealed, but they say it's more that there are additional details that we don't want to talk about. It might away our acquiring that information that maybe they're getting it from a human source in Russia or maybe they have some kind of special electronic access. But what they have said to me is that it's not like the Russians are up to something on a totally different tracks that were not aware of that kind of what we see in terms of the social media manipulation, the attempts to launder this information through members of Congress. People to Donald Trump about the biden's that does sort of capture the universe of what's happening. Now again, we only know what we know but so far it does seem like we're at a thirty thousand foot level members of Congress may have a little bit more detail and it does feel like we've got a sense of what the Russians are up to any intelligence community is I think taking it quite seriously but is there any indication that the intelligence community is sharing information with certain Republicans but not sharing it with Democrats in other words has even sharing? Intelligence information become political. I think the bigger concern now is more that they're not sharing enough with either side and so the Democrats feel. That it's not so much. The Republicans are getting special view into this they're not but that the intelligence agencies in the leadership in general have been withholding. Notably. The director of National Intelligence. Has said in recent days that he's not going to be giving any in person briefings anymore to members of Congress about election threats and the state concern for this is that information can leak in things have come out from classified briefings in the press that deny doesn't want out now it's a little strange that they're doing this. And offering what they see are going to be written briefings presumably written material can leak. Than rebel material that has led I think to a lot of concern justifiably. So particularly, among Democrats that what the denies is really doing here is is at least in part perhaps holding back because if the truth continues to come out that Russia is intriguing in the election that Russia's trying to denigrate Joe Biden as the denies offices that publicly that's going to enrage the president everyone in the intelligence community understands the fastest way to set him off is to talk about Russia and election interference because for the president that goes back to twenty sixteen and raises concerns for him that his victory was not legitimate. There is some kind of asterisk. Win that only one because Russia intervene. Now, there's no evidence of that but in the president's mind, that's what Russia hoax is really all about. So people just kind of tried to avoid that subject and I think they're avoiding talking about it to Congress partly for that reason as well. So to whom is the DNA responsible to the American people to the Congress or simply to the president, I, mean, this is outrages. Deny reports directly to the presence and that's his boss. But to your point about who he's accountable to Congress and yes ultimately to the public and why what's been the real concern I think for. Lawmakers in particular here is that they can't really exercise their oversight authority over the intelligence agencies, but also over election security when you even more important arguably Desmond Oversight Mission if the DNA is not going to play ball with them if there are things that office. That it's not going to reveal what's the congress supposed to do subpoena people make it a court fight generally for for for for years the oversight process of the Intelligence Agency says dependent on some element of good faith between the Congress and the executive, and of course, many people in Congress don't expect executive is always telling you everything but you know intelligence. Community professionals I've talked to about this. Say you know in general the intelligence? Agency. Is Welcome that level of oversight, right? If you can kind of bring Congress in and show them what you're doing and even some cases can get their blessing rather acquiescence to it it helps provide more legitimacy and even some more political support for that. So a lot of. Career Intelligence People I've talked to who are not partisans say this is not a smart idea because eight deprives obviously the American public of this information but it doesn't put the intelligence agencies in a strong footing either it makes them very defensive and it makes it look like they're hiding something. If makes them look as they're protecting themselves the wrath of the president rather than protecting American people from what to Russians, who are actually doing. I think that's right. That's right and leaves open. The allegations that they're really trying to do is politically helps the president now, I, don't think that's. The case for career intelligence. People who are trying to job, but we should know that director of national intelligence a former congressman ratcliffe from Texas was a vocal supporter of the president during the impeachment hearings He was leading the charge or calling these illegitimate hearings something to them. He is a political ally of the president and we can't disregard that fact that there is a. A political ally in this position with the ability to withhold information from. Congress. So is there any indication that the director the DNA I has instructed? His employees to hold tight to that information there. Any indication that oh? Yes. I mean he is said publicly that they're going to discontinue these briefings. There's a career official whose beneath deny who's subordinate him named William Ebony Anna, who's career person who is the one in charge of the election security issue and gives those briefings. But now it's his boss John Ratcliffe that says, we're not going to do this anymore. So yeah, I mean he's been pretty explicit about it. Now, the stated concerns about this are. Leaking the security of the information and it's true. Information has leaked information does Lee, but it you know it's not as though career intelligence officials don't know how to give briefings in such a way that they assume some of it's going to lead in that they're careful about how they do it. So I think that excuse for a lot of people I've talked to. Shane Arrows. Back. Hi. COGIL here I. Hope you're enjoying on my mind and I also hope you're checking out the COGIL NNAMDI show we connect the dots between events happening in Washington Maryland, and Virginia through conversations with politicians, artists, chefs the list goes on you can listen to our podcast on demand by subscribing on your favorite podcast APP. So you never miss an episode. Here the rest of my conversation wit Shane Harris Intelligence and national security reporter at the Washington Post. Shane, let's talk about the attempts to denigrate Mr Biden's health. and. The kind of. Information. Is Information that's been coming out about him. So we know that President Trump took a coin this nickname sleepy joe, some lamb ago during the primaries in this was. I think both reflecting some anxiety that did exist among voters but also fan the flames of this idea that the vice president was too old to run maybe he's lost to step. Notably, a lot of these. Concerns were being pushed by the President before the former vice president actually came out and said that he's lifelong dealt with a stutter which actually helps explain sometimes maybe the way that his speech seems kind of clipped and truncated that was interesting. That was offering some. An to to that but you know look the vice president would be the oldest person ever serving if he were elected. So the presence played on obviously now, he kind of backed away from that for a while in his try to favor other labels Joe Biden is sort of a Trojan horse the laughed in this Kinda thing, but it was very interesting to me last week we saw the president's. White House Social Media Director Dansk Gavino tweet out a video that reported to be from an interview that Joe Biden was giving with the local television news station a few years back and the correspondent is on one side of the screen and she says, okay now it's time for our interview in they cut to Joe by on the other side of the screen and he appears to be sleeping. And the correspondent is saying up, wake up, come on your on air we're live on TV while the White House social media director points this out as if to say look, we've found evidence of Joe Biden Asleep during a television interview. Well, one of the people who the CO anchors during that broadcast quickly came out and said, this video isn't real the way that I know that is because I was here for this interview. First of all, it wasn't with Joe Biden it was with Harry. Belafonte. Who is edited out of the video and replaced with a clip of Joe Biden that appears to be anyway not of him sleeping but just kind of aloof where his eyes are closed to make it look like he's sleeping. So, this is I pointed this as an example of that is an altered video right that is that is disinformation that is showing something that simply did not happen at least not in the in the way that it's being portrayed in this instance, and that's being pushed by the White House Social Media Director. This is all out in the open now and when he's called on, it essentially says, what's wrong can't you take a joke? Well, this isn't a joking matter. This is the presidential campaign. The White House is not the only one to say, this is a joke what about Congressman Steve Scalise and what he's done to alter segments video about Joe Biden is this again copying Russia or giving something to Russia to copy you know I think in some sense it is like he's copying Russia's playbook in. So far as congressman lease has also been pushing out these doctored videos or speeches or statements by the vice president in which he is. Accused of saying things that he didn't actually say what's notable to me. Two things about that one is that the congressman may actually be violating house rules that have been set up to prevent this kind of use of social media to spread things just simply aren't true or have been altered but if you go back a year or so or even a year and a half or so ago when intelligence and security officials were starting to get ready, you know warning more about what we were going to face the twenty twenty election including in a set of hearings. Were had more than a year ago about global threats that we face this annual hearing or intelligence officials before Congress and the people give a big kind of tour of the world of what they're worried about this issue of deep fakes and of altered video and deliberate editing of statements was something that officials reflagging then and have been flagging all along as what they were afraid Russia was. Going to do or what a foreign country was going to do. Now we're phasing is you know is the White House is doing it Republican members of Congress are doing it. Know they started the call is coming from inside the House to borrow from the horror movie cliche I don't know if that's something that intelligence officials really reckoned. Way S I, think there was more of a fear. That Russia might drop something into the media stream and others. Amplify step is originating from US officials or at least insofar as they are pushing it out on their own, where where it may be appearing originally is an open question. This is a real conundrum, right? Because I mean on the one hand, we understand that in political campaigns, people sometimes say exaggerated or even outrageous things that becomes. Kind of part of the feature of campaign. But this seems strikes me as is quite different in. So far as you're talking about pushing out video and words attributed to someone those things stick they look real. They are engineered to look real not as an opinion that the congressman or the White House is expressing Ola here is actual video actual statement that you should believe that's different than spin. And give me an example of the videos that Steve scalise has pushed. Tony Poland upshur as I'm talking to an so good sins taken this on but. Congressman scalise tweeted a video in which there are the scenes of chaos and destruction from various protests in it includes a clip of a question and a response by Vice, President Biden edited in a way that takes out context and words that he said to make it appear as though. Joe. Biden is in favor of pulling funding from police. So he's asked a question video. Do we agree that we can redirect some of the funding for the police and Biden response? Yes absolutely. But if you look at the original published version of the video, it shows that the question did not say the words for police. Of the question and at Biden's response is not really what he said and of course. Joe. Publicly and said, he doesn't support defunding police. So this is. Taking, both the interviewer and the interviewee in selectively editing the words into a conversation that just didn't happen at least not in didn't happen the way that it's being portrayed now whether the congressman knew that or not, and I think he said essentially, he didn't really know that you kind of push out the damage is done and in voters will see that particularly if supporters are constituents of the congressman and say Oh yeah, I've heard that Joe Biden wants defend the police message now six and again we're used to kind of I think surrogates making those arguments or certainly kind of spin even coming from elected officials. But here is somebody in a position of authority pushing out information that has been manipulated. So to what extent does see authority of the DNA I get into actions on the part of members of Congress or should they? Well, they don't really have any power to stop them from saying what they want to say the doesn't certainly can't investigate members of Congress but what they have done in this very interesting statement that came out a month or so ago is they actually did point to in the list of things that Russia was doing and it was a short list they pointed to this disinformation being peddled by this lawmaker in Ukraine, that I mentioned the one who is trying to. Japan investigation into Joe. Biden. What are the things that he's actually done has to release sounds familiar a selectively edited audiotapes of conversations that Joe Biden had with Ukrainian official when he was serving in office talking about removing a prosecutor Ukraine who is widely viewed as corrupt, and of course, this is this. This is what? Trump supporters have taken as the story of will. This is Joe Biden. Trying to get rid of a prosecutor who is investing son. So now these tapes didn't really reveal anything new they did appear to be selectively edited and what the denied did was called out the peddling of this material by this individual lawmaker and it didn't say and he's trying to give it to congressional staff which we believe. Yes road reporting. But if you kind of read between the lines a little bit I think that was the deny saying to Congress like we all know who this man is talking to, and we all know that he is trying to launch this information through Republican lawmakers and get them to talk about it or to start investigation of Senator Ron Johnson has actually been dead most notable recipient of this. Although he has kind of claim that he's not really getting information from this lawmaker. It's a bit of a convoluted explanation on his part, but the point is the DNA is in a position where they can at least GonNa call these things out the problem has been I think in the eyes of love. Democratic. Lawmakers experts, and I think this is a fair criticism. Is that when the DNA talks About Russia, it also talks about to other countries China in Iran and in the minds of a lot of people just creates kind of a sense that there's some sort of equivalence or a continuity among all of these countries are doing, and that's just not the case but Russia is doing is much more aggressive. It's targeted one candidate Joe Biden it's convert in many cases it it's clandestine and others. It's simply not the same category of what China's doing or what Iran is doing. What about facebook and twitter is Russia using those the same way they did in two thousand sixteen. Broadly speaking they are I mean we see still accounts popping up posing as quote, unquote real users, legitimate users that are being linked back to Russia and to places in Russia known to manufacture these fake accounts or bots interestingly in some cases. Some of these accounts appeared to be not so much automated but have real people behind them and trying to cultivate a following to have more authenticity. So that's happening on twitter, and certainly on facebook we're seeing you know place into ads mean sharing of information sharing of misleading stories that sort of fits into the categories that we saw in two thousand sixteen accompanies I think are trying more. Aggressively to get a handle on that I, think twitter has probably been doing a more aggressive job of that them. facebook twitter is actually I. Think has limited political advertising entirely and is much more willing to flag accounts. Now that have false or misleading information including tweets by the president, he's been in a red flag number of times. FACEBOOK has now said they're going to ban political advertising in. The week before the election which some people experts will say, okay, that's that's a Steph navy in the right direction. But overall facebook has taken a more hands off approach to this. I think than twitter, which is not say the twitter has not really engaged and gotten very aggressive about policing continents. I either for both of these companies are very worried about the perception that they are taking aside. And a political debate because ultimately, they don't want to alienate their users, make it seem like they have a dog in the fight and then I think you know some of them also have principal concerns about freedom of speech and don't want to be seen as you know suppressing that on their platforms even though we be clear, these are private communications platforms. The First Amendment doesn't apply to them. Are they both better equipped to deal with the kinds of things that Russia wants to push I. Think they're better equipped. Now than they were in two thousand sixteen, they have more people working on the problem they have better algorithms. Technology can be tuned to filter some of this stuff out but you know, honestly, Diane if foreign governments want to flood the information's space with misleading content, it can happen. Fairly easily I think that you know what we have to kind of come to grips with as a society is that these companies are probably never going to be able to separate the wheat from the chaff and what was really called for here is for citizens to become more educated and more discerning about what they're seeing. Right I mean whether that's through news literacy education programs for children in Grade School. Whether, it's public service announcements I, don't know. But I think that if we're hoping for twitter and facebook to help us understand what's legitimate information and what's not we're GONNA be waiting a very long time for assistance to come I find myself wondering how many people are getting their news and information from facebook and twitter verses. How many are getting it from legitimate sources like the Washington Post like the new. York Times how can we know? Well, we can measure these things now through surveys and we track what comes to our website based on referrals from social media site somebody clicks on a link in their facebook feed or clicks on a tweet versus lands on our page on their own or find us through Google news search, which increasingly happens. So I think what what the evidence seems to show is that. A sizable number of people are in fact, just staying on facebook or on twitter to see what's there and maybe aren't clicking through to go to those individuals sites or perhaps aren't starting their day simply by going to the New York Times website or to NPR's website or to the Washington Post's website and this information gets shared within their social groups I mean I think it's somewhat anecdotal at this. Point but you know talking to members of my own family. I've had conversations where someone will see a story that is so to me obviously not true or misleading, and I'll say, well, where did you see that those will I saw facebook and in others among education they're really his second is thing that you're seeing you're associating facebook with a publisher and making an assumption that facebook is verified the information. That, they're putting on their website and you know you can forgive people who didn't grow up with this stuff the way maybe younger people did for you know for making that mistake but at some point, don't y'all kind of understand now that social media is distinct from news organizations and for me as a journalist, it's really it's become quite frustrating because I don't have a great answer for how to combat. That because people see something they read it, they want to believe that it reflects back them a set of beliefs they already have. It's very hard to break through that just by saying well, you know you saw it on facebook therefore, don't trust that I mean I post my own stories to facebook. You know I want people to believe those. So we been talking far about what's happening before the election. Talk, out what could happen in terms of Russian interference after the election if there is a delay in results, what are your concerns? My big concern are that Russia or for that matter, the president will rush to judgment as the returns are coming in and preemptively declare perhaps a victory in one scenario that's being discussed by a lot of analysts now, is that given that the polls indicate that Democrats seem to be overwhelmingly favor of voting by mail Democratic voters would you might see is as the election is unfolding the in person votes being counted in it. Looks like there's a lead for Donald Trump as the absentee ballots voted in the days after the vote actually shifts more to Biden. So there's a possibility of that happening. It's those two or three days of counting. That are these extremely vulnerable times. When you know the president might want to claim a victory or might come out and say while I have reports that ballots are being counted late or are being stolen or suddenly ballots are showing up where there shouldn't be innings you can imagine a sort of opportunity for misleading information disinformation or frankly a well. Reporting, it just turns out to be wrong I mean think back to two thousand when the networks were flipping back and forth over calling Florida for Al. Gore. George W Bush in an environment like that where information is flying around the Internet and people are tuning into twitter or looking at websites trying to figure out what is the ground truth that is just a huge opportunity for mischief that you could imagine the Russian government inserting and selfish and. Talk about the Russian government and but we are still hearing about attorney general bar making references to those one, hundred, eighty, five, thousand missing votes or verbose or illegal votes, and then that story being totally discounted that's right and that's something else that we'd is really worth underscoring in this conversation because the attorney general, any attorney general is supposed to operate in an apolitical fashion to ensure that the laws are enforced and what we've actually seen with bill bar is that he's picked. Up and really tried to support this idea president trump pushes that there is something inherently flawed about Maalim ballot fraud is rampant and it it's just simply is not true and even when he makes these claims and they're proven not to be true, you know his aides, we'll try to backtrack forum instead all he was given maybe you know not complete information bill bar knows that there's no rampant voter fraud in the United States and if there was if you prosecuting it so this. This also becomes a real problem. If you have not just the president who people expect sometimes to kind of exaggerate in exercising hyperbole not just in Russian streams of information. But what if the Attorney General of the United States comes out and says, you know I believe we have evidence that absentee ballots were miscast were investigating potential over counts for Joe Biden. These four five states when you can just imagine I mean you know ways in which people in positions of authority can. Start to make people believe that a conclusion has been reached when it hasn't and given the hair trigger that we're all on right now I don't think it's that unrealistic to things that you could see protests art on either side about that and and I think that's that's genuinely worries me that we're at a point now where people are going to start taking it to the streets to settle these disputes that they have with each other and and not leaving at the ballot box. What could or should the US government be doing right now to protect that vote in November ending chewier it's trustworthy. Well the number one thing they should be doing is ensuring the postal service obviously as capacity that it needs to deliver the ballots I think that there's you know there are certainly instances where we've seen where the postal service has about alerting state saying look you know make sure people know get those ballots in early, there may be a crush of them coming. That you heard mail carrier unions come out and say look we can handle the volume of the pieces of mail that are gonNA come in. We don't make sure that we try and distribute that out a long time as much as possible. So we don't have one hundred, million pieces of mail just dropped in today's, but they can deliver it. The question is how quick will get there. Then the other thing you know that needs to happen and this is happening to their credit, his homeland security the Department of Homeland Security does talk to state and local governments to ensure that their voter rolls their electronic voting systems have not been tampered with that they know the kinds. Of things foreign governments are trying to do to interfere with elections and I think that that kind of public information is helpful and it would be good too I. Think for us in the press to be listening to these conversations, these warnings that are having and and and knowing that on election night, we just need to be very patient and not rush to conclude that one candidate won or lost in. This is GonNa be really difficult because it's in the nature of journalists to report the information quickly. But we've got to listen to these officials from the intelligence office from the postal service saying this just going to take longer and we're talking about days not one day. As a journalist, do you have faith that postmaster general do joy is going to do everything? He can to sure those ballot get in on time I think I have faith that the pressure has been placed on him. That he now is going to have to do everything, he can to make sure that they get in on time in and he is under investigation. Now, we understand for campaign contributions that he solicited when he was in private industry. So this is presuming US mastered joy is still postmaster general in two months. Assume. Anything. Anything right out exactly. But you know there's been so much scrutiny applied to this. Now to be fair, you know some of the things like removal of mailboxes or sorting machines some things that were in the works before he became postmaster general. But in the current context, of course, there has to be heightened scrutiny applied to anything involving this postal service mechanism that. is now going to effectively be the ballot box for a majority of Americans. So I think that he knows he's under a microscope and probably will certainly not take any efforts to try to impede timely delivery of those ballots. It's also State Secretaries of state who are in charge of elections in the various states territories as well to ensure that they have kind of. Prepared themselves for this day-lewis, it's going to come manual in Pennsylvania. It's very interesting. We've seen the legislature they're trying to push a change in the law that would allow them to at least start examining the ballots three days ahead of the election day when counting is to make sure there are no errors. So if there are that can get back in touch with. The voter and ask them to do it's cheering the ballot so that they can get it counted. Not have to delay that in some states can count earlier than others for those places where they can only start looking at the balance when they come in on election day and I think you're seeing those officials get prepared for just a highly unusual experience this time. Considering. The is concerns we have about what local state and national officials in this country are doing seems that Russia should be perhaps the least are where it's what we're doing to ourselves. That's so true and I think my cynical self looks at this and things that you know Vladimir Putin, his batting himself on the back and can't believe is good luck. And that he says, okay, my work is done here. You guys are handling it for me. Put your finger on it there. This is part of the the Russian ambition is to make people in this country. Believe that our system is not special that it's just as corrupt as everyone else's that it's just as flawed as everyone else's a healthy dose of you know US recognizing our own flaws. Sure. That's a good thing. But what they are trying to foment is something that has actively happening now, which is distrust mistrust. The belief that your political opponent is your enemy. In. This kind of heightening of tensions and Putin didn't caused that that has been brewing for a host of reasons for a long time in this country but it is it is reaching a fever pitch right now and again. When we see protests spilling into violence as they have in some cases, it just greatly worries me that people will lose faith in the political system to solve their problems and will decide that the only way to settle them by force against each other. This is I just I don't think that it's unreasonable to think that were sitting on a nice edge right now and that particularly during the ten. Days in weeks of counting these ballots that you could see, you know significant violence in the streets. Shane. Q.? Sound much. Welcome it's always good to talk to you. That was Shane Harris Intelligence. National Security, reporter at the Washington Post. And that's all for today. Thanks to those of you who out to let me know what you'd like me to cover during this very difficult time. Please continue tell edits know what's on your mountain. You can find us on facebook and twitter or send them send email Dr Podcast at WMU Dot Org. Our theme music is composed by Jim Brandenburg and Ben, spur. 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That's The Best You Got?; Inside The President's Head; Impeachment Testimony

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That's The Best You Got?; Inside The President's Head; Impeachment Testimony

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The White House in advance of tomorrow's testimony as well as president trump weighing the possibility of firing hiring the intelligence community inspector general who decided the whistle blowers complaint had merit in the first place. We begin though tonight. Keeping them honest with a look at how president trump and his supporters they plan to battle back. The plan is outlined in a memo drafted by Republicans staffers on the hill and circulated two. GOP members on key committees. And it's important to look closely at this memo because whatever you may think of the president or the case that he tried to extort Ukraine's president for political gain. There is a lot in these talking points which are just not true. So let's look at talking point number one for Republicans to us when discussing Ukraine affair. The rough summary of the July twenty fifth phone call shows no conditionality or evidence pressure now this is not quite as far as what the President of course has been saying. That was a great perfect call a perfect doll. So Republicans uh-huh will be saying. Yeah maybe not perfect but there was no pressure in the call now. TIKOLO cures the key. Sentence from the rough transcript immediately. After Ukraine's presidents Linski asked about the military assistance has country has yet to see the president. Says right away. I would like you to do us a favor. Though clearly connecting the favor to the aide he then asked for Investigations Twenty Sixteen election and then later the other thing which is the Biden investigating them no talking corruption in general no list of Ukrainians. The president thinks thinks should be investigated. No List from the Treasury Department of Ukrainians who are on a watch list. No it's the Biden's and two thousand sixteen and of course many of the impeachment witnesses already substantiated this behind closed doors but in any event the best evidence of what the president wanted comes from the president himself. Yeah well I would think that if they were honest about it that SORTA major investigation Gatien very simple answer which brings us to Republican talking point number two namely that neither side so anything improper about the call now that has been a familiar. Refrain from the president's defenders all along including today. The bottom line is the only two people letter letter at the heart of this or president trump and presidents alinsky. And we've already seen the transcripts so what other people think about a conversation is really a secondary to the fact that the two men that were participating in the conversation both said it was a good call or put another way congressman. SCALISE is saying that the alleged edge extortionist and his alleged victim agree that nothing happened now others were on the call some already testified to what they heard and see staffer Alexandrov inman saying there. There was no ambiguity and quote no doubt about where the president was doing so that makes them for two so far. Furthermore Than Your Times has reported about concern among Ukrainian officials the pressure to investigate by trump and Giuliani pressure. They came close time to giving into in order to get held up aid. So let's see how talking about three east ends up to the facts here is that the Ukrainians were not even aware that the military aid had been frozen. This is an Oldie but goodie. In fact testimony throughout the closed door hearings brings including from witness Katherine Cross released just to adjust yesterday suggest the Ukrainians knew very early in the fair the frozen by the office of Management and budget aged. And finally there's talking point four can call it no harm no foul. No investigations were done and the eight eventually flowed so no problem. Nikki Haley's lately. been making this argument. Even Kellyanne Conway has and others. But keeping him on as the aid only began flowing nearly a year after it was approved by Congress shortly after the whistleblower complaint became unknown to the administration so there's no telling how this holdup impacted the fight in Ukraine to people die because the hold up and again. According to The Times Ukraine officials were close to giving being into the extortion but then came the whistle blower so furthermore as many legal lines have also pointed out attempted bribery and attempted. Extortion are still considered crimes. We're now on those new signs of infighting the White House. Let's go to Jim Acosta for that. So what are you learning Anderson. It's a picture of chaos as the president heads into this very different aren't phase for him in the impeachment inquiry very public face with officials testifying in front of the cameras up on Capitol Hill Anderson my colleagues over here at the White House are hearing from our sources that when Mick Mulvaney the acting chief of staff started these legal maneuverings a few days ago I was going to join this lawsuit in federal court that would determine whether or not he should Responded these congressional subpoenas up on Capitol Hill and testify and then yesterday He decided he's going to pull out of that Legal challenge imposes hoses own. Legal Challenge filed his own lawsuit. And then this morning we find out. He's scrapping the whole thing altogether and he's going back to the original legal guidance from the administration that he's immune From testifying under the subpoena that has been issued for his testimony Anderson. What we're hearing from our sources is that the White House counsel's office is very upset about this? The president is very upset about this there. Aggravated with Mick Mulvaney for opening up this Pandora's box right before these public hearings get started in the words of one official inside the administration. What the hell was he thinking Anderson? I would it. Would it shows to US heading into these hearings is ah you know. There is a lot of infighting chaos going on behind the scenes and this administration at a very critical moment for the president. Is there I mean. Are they gearing up for the televised hearings hearings. Well we understand that the White House is trying to put up this rapid response team. They've been talking about this for weeks. I just talked to a source Just in the last couple of hours or as you said that not all of those team members are in place that The paperwork is still being put through a for some key members of that rapid response team. The trump campaign is going to be doing. Its own the war room. Its own rapid response in terms of what is coming out of these hearings. But you do get the sense Anderson From the White House and the trump campaign republicans up on Capitol Capitol Hill that. They're all sort of working off different and somewhat dated talking points. They're all trying to say the same thing that the president did nothing wrong but now the public is going to get a chance to decide for themselves themselves watching this and living color. Yeah and of course the question I I assume the president will be watching the proceedings of the White House. Usually so no. He's not he's very busy But we know he watches. You know even a normal time you watch everything that's right. He watches us all the time and he watches Fox to Vegas Make himself feel better but Anderson. My understanding is that yes the president will me watching these proceedings. He's GonNa be glued to his TV as always with smartphone at hand Ready to respond. The question is just how he responds to all of this. And I talked to a source close to the White House Earlier who said the president has pushed out of this administration pushed out of this west wing all the people who push back on him and so the message coming from this one source is alarming one and that is the president is likely to be pretty unrestrained when it comes to all of his responses to what we're about to hear later on this week Anderson. Jim Jim Acosta Jim. Thanks very much more now on what to expect tomorrow. Proceedings Begin at ten am eastern time scheduled to testify. Bill Taylor top EU diplomat in Ukraine and Georgia candidate. Deputy Assistant Secretary of State State in the Bureau of European and Eurasian Affairs. Both have already spoken in closed session. Opening statements will be heard at about ten five. According to the format that Chairman Congressman Adam Schiff and the ranking. Republican will each forty five minutes to ask questions or have designated. Staffers do the questioning. Additional similar rounds may be added at the chairman's discretion the following members will alternate biparti. Each having five minutes of Cuny time. The day is expected to end no later than four thirty. WanNa talk about it now. With one of the lawmakers I will be part of the proceedings and the history of being made tomorrow California Democratic Congressman Ted Lieu Member of the House Foreign Affairs Judiciary. Committee's congressman thanks for being with US just in terms of of the approach. Tomorrow by Democrats. Can you give a sense of how planned it is. Is there a coordinated effort from top down where every Democrat has what they assert part they are focusing on. What can you say thank you for? Your question. Wouldn't let the witnesses speak for themselves. In this case and Basso also bill Taylor was handpicked by the trump administration to go to Ukraine to fix things up and the American people. We're going to hear him talk about the presence abuse of power. And how president did this whole pressure campaign to try to bribe Ukrainians to launch to bogus investigations into the DNC server as well as Biden. And we're going to have forty forty five minutes of uninterrupted time for one side and then flipped other side and that gives a lot more times American people to get the story and big chunks. Thanks so that forty five minute chunk do you know is it Adam. Schiff GonNa be doing the questioning or is he going to make a statement and then handed off to do an attorney. WHO's going to be questions? So we'll hear opening statements and under the rules of the House. Pass either Adam Schiff or one of the staff attorneys. You can ask questions of ambassador Taylor as well as of Mr Kent I was at the winners deposition from Bassett Bill Taylor and in that position both congressman has been shift in staff attorneys ask questions as the Republicans and so you're gonNA have alternating forty five minute blocks and then when that is done then the members on the committee committee will get to ask five minute question and you said there will be opening statements or is that opening statements by both the the ranking Republican ranking Democrat or by the witness themselves. Also it's going to give both will happen both from the witness and the to correct. Okay the the Republican central message. Tomorrow's essentially president. Trump may may have done this but his intentions were pure and there really wasn't a conditionality in the phone. Call when you hear that. What do you think the American people should watch the witnesses and decide for themselves because witnesses going to contradict every single Republican? Talking Point is very clear that this phone call how. Donald Trump had with Ukrainian leader wasn't just a one off phone call. It was an entire pressure campaign to get Ukrainians launched to bogus investigations to influence Lawrence. Our election and the president used withholding critical security aide as well as dangling an important meeting with the White House in order to bribe Ukrainians to engage in this election. Interference that's what all these witnesses are going to say. Not only this week but also next week where additional hearings have been announced how likely is it that Republicans are going to ah according to some plan to push debunk conspiracy theories that it was Ukraine. Who Interfere in the two thousand sixteen election Russia float unsupported claims about about the Biden's Haydn's is basically just going to be kind of a tale of two Two Different Committee meetings happening the same time. Democrats going to ask questions and then Republicans will we'll focus on on there. There is the difference as you're GONNA have career diplomats trump's people testifying against him the American people. We're going to see that these are witnesses that cannot have the credibility question. Bill Taylor is a West Point graduate. You served in Vietnam one hundred first airborne you have have amazing witnesses that are going to be able to push back and all the Republican talking points and by the way it was just announced today that the Justice Department is looking at expanding. Its case against a thirteen Russians interfered or you elections those Russians who do not Ukrainians and our entire intelligence community understands. It's it's the Russians hacked US twenty sixteen not the Ukrainians in this new reporting for the New York Times that the president trump is considered fire in the intelligence community inspector general who he actually appointed. We did if the president were to actually do that. Is that something that could potentially become part of an overall impeachment inquiry. Absolutely Inspector General's tendrils job is to root out fraud. Waste and abuse of power is not to be loyal to the president and again this trump's own handpicked person that is now trying to tell the truth American people and tomorrow the American people are GonNa see a story come out narrative that has basically unchallenged which the president solicit solicit foreign interference in our campaigns. And a US auto lovers of governmental power as well as private attorney Rudy Giuliani to extract these bogus investigations and exchange. 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Health is not currently available in New York New Jersey or Rhode Island in addition to order fresh in fighting the White White House on the eve of impeachment hearings breaking news on the president weighing action. That would certainly be radioactive a story in the New York Times Maggie Haberman on the byline. And I'm quoting from the lead had quote. President trump has discussed dismissing the intelligence communities inspector. General Michael Atkinson. Because Mr Atkinson reported a whistle blowers complain about Mr Trump's interactions with Ukraine into Congress after concluding it was credible according to four people familiar with the discussions in fact the report goes on to say the president has continued to talk about fire in the Inspector General. Maggie Haberman joins us now by phone. So what more can you tell us about this reporting sure interesting. Thanks for having me. So this is something we've seen of a pattern pattern with president trump over time where he talks about getting rid of people who are investigating him or to have done something connected to an investigation when he's appointed them. He believes they owe him their job. This is another one of those instances where as the whistle blower complaint was blowing up and as it had been deemed credible by the inspector. General's office the President started telling Advisors that he wanted to see Atkinson of the general dismissed And he has continue talking about the sense. Now it's not clear that this went anywhere we have Two officials telling us Pretty strong terms that this was never under serious consideration Some people oh close to the president saw this is another form of bending which we know that he does. And we've all been told over time that you know AIDS. Don't take these these ventilation from him seriously. Unless Phoenix repeated demands and seems to be moving toward doing something but it is indicative of a mindset and this notion according to reporting the President Believe Atkinson has been disloyal loyal. I mean obviously just is worth mentioning. It is not an inspector general's job to be loyal to the President United States right at the president intensity you a number one that he's got sweeping powers as the head of the executive branch to dismiss people and he believes that people who he put in these jobs should be loyal loyal to him but to your point. Inspectors general are supposed to be devoid of politics and freed from politics and that was part of what made this so striking. The first place Circle Whistle blowers complaint with the Inspector General had deemed credible. So has has now off. The TAP is a And he has. He raised this again recently. Do you know our understanding is that he is he has continued at at times talking about it. I do not expect that it's going to go anywhere I don't expect that anyone is going to move to get rid of Atkinson but again I think it is. It is worth documenting that this is something that the president has said Ed about people who are investigating him and he has been a recurring theme. We saw throughout Mahler and here it is again right as combing Maggie Haberman appreciate it. Thanks thanks for joining us. Narrow legal and political times legal analysts are Ross garber it teaches law to lane university. His specialty impeachment law also with US political analysts in USA Today columnist Onus Kirsten powers and CNN chief. Legal analyst. Jeffrey Toobin so Jeff. The President I mean based on this reporting seems to think that the intelligence community spectra general works for and should be loyal to him. Him Not surprising. I guess that he has that opinion. Given what we have seen in the past absolutely I mean just remember Jeff Sessions. who was the attorney general? Who did the right thing? In recusing himself from the Russia investigation and the president spent months fuming about that and then ultimately ultimately humiliated sessions by firing him on the day of the midterm elections. I it's always possible that a one. The reason people come forward with stories like this is that they know it's so outrageous that once it sees the light of day in a story like Maggie's that The the the story will be the the idea will be killed but still the the the the principal remains that as I think you pointed out. Donald Trump thinks everybody in the executive branch works for him. Not for the rule of law or the taxman interest in terms of what kind of expecting Tamar are with these hearings. Obviously we've seen testimony given a behind closed doors. We've seen transcripts of testimony that have been released but but often you know. There's a lot of hype in front of whether it's Robert Muller testifying about what that's going to be what the impact is going to be. And then it's different different than what Julie Democrats expect. Yeah I mean the Democrats are going to need to deliver and I I I think that You know what they're going to do is be be being really trying to bring along people who aren't already on board the basis already convinced of this right the democratic base. Well you need to do is you need to lay this out in a really clear way. A very nonpartisan way a very sober way And make it very clear what happened and why this rises to the level of impeachment Schmidt. And so I don't know that it necessarily needs to have any fireworks or anything like that in fact it would probably be better if if there wasn't But what it does it does need to the B. Is it needs to be very clear and they need to be ready for the Republicans who are going to be working overtime to muddy the waters to poke holes in to You know any claims made by the witnesses to impugn the credibility of the witnesses and to somebody the waters and so I think it's GonNa be a challenge for them But you know I think that they also at the same time are very aware of this. Challenging are trying to try to structure this in a way. That's the most Convincing convincing Ross I mean the hearings are not gonNa look like other impeachment hearings that we've seen before. Can you just talk about how you see the setup of it and what you make a given your Your experience yes I mean. Th there's no one-size-fits-all impeachment I mean it's it. We've we say it all the time but it's worth kind of repeating beating. I mean this is an incredibly unusual occurrence in American history. I mean we've never removed the president through the impeachment process Only the you know this will be the fourth time that we've actually gone through an investigation. So there's no kind of routine way to do it But it will be interesting I you you know it seems like The Chairman of the ranking member GONNA ask questions but then what will be interesting here and unlike other congressional hearings is that staff members it will probably carry The the substantial weight of Of the performance tomorrow. And that's going to be interesting to watch the chew lawyers. This one for the Democrats won for the Republicans. These are lawyers but this isn't a typical court case they're going to have to make some Pretty a significant arguments in a way to capture the public attention A- and and and for the Democrats sort of meats that very high burden of treason bribery rivalry and high crimes and misdemeanors for the Republicans as Christopher noted kind of poking holes in the in the Democrats case and kind of making a narrative of of the Republican zone. Jeff it just make a point. I've had you know we're talking about the Republicans as if they're just sort of poking holes in making things up one point that is certainly going to be made and it's a fair point. Is that both of the witnesses. Tomorrow had no direct contact with president trump. And that doesn't mean they can't give incriminating testimony. But but I think the Democrats had better be prepared for the argument of like well. Why are we hearing from them? If they didn't have contact with the president now. I know there are responses to that but I think unlike arguments some arguments the Republicans will make. That's a real argument and and I think it will be interesting to see how the Democrats respond to it. And we're curious that also points to the importance of someone like John Bolton or even Mick Mulvaney go that doesn't that sort of runs afoul of of the time line. The Democrats upset. Yeah it's unfortunate because I do think having somebody like John Bolton in particular Testifying would be extremely powerful because somebody somebody who is You know he's obviously had a falling out with the president but he is somebody who is in good standing in the conservative Movement for the most part and it certainly isn't considered sittard part of the deep state or anything like that and I think would have some information to share. That would be very interesting to people so the Democrats have decided that they. I want to keep this on this timeline and I'm not. I'm not sure that that's necessarily exactly the right answer or the right decision but I do think having staff asking the question. John is very helpful because what happens too often in these hearings. Is You just get a lot of grandstanding. And you get people. You get members of Congress. Now they are still going to be able to ask questions. They're just I'm not gonNA have as much time but it turns it into a bit of a circus and it turns into a much more partisan event and I think it's important for this to look at the elise partisan possible as can you Rossa. CNN's reporting that Republicans don't plan to be overly aggressive with these two witnesses tomorrow. Plan to press them in ways that sows doubt about their our understanding of what was happening in the White House. The forty five minutes. Initially I had thought that was the the two attorneys attorneys would be would be asking questions for forty five minutes but it seems like opening statements also from Adam Schiff and the ranking Republican are going to be included -cluded in that forty five minutes according to Congressman Louie just add on or questions from From from both leaders. Yeah I mean I. It's going to be very interesting to to to see how this plays out and and in terms of sort of the aggressiveness. You know one question I have is will Will each side be playing into its base or will they reach out and sort of you know who's definition of aggressive oriented. Yeah I'M GONNA use. Ross garber appreciate Paris. Jeff toobin thanks very much coming up next more. What happens tomorrow when win? The impeachment hearing gets underway. How will the president reacted next my conversation with someone who knows him well he wrote Mister Fromm or the art of the deal? The tension homeowners with a strong housing market. 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He's obviously watches which is a lot of this. They often claim he's too busy to watch it but he clearly does well. I think that he is in two places right now. I'm sorry sorry to say this because one of them seems fine. which for me to me? which is I suspect? He is in his nervous. System is in a very high state state of activation. And God save you to be around him right now because this is the ultimate humiliation to have his election election called into question the thing he's been which had motivated the whole Russia his refusal to believe that Russia was involved or at least refusal refusal to analogy fear of his election. Being not legitimate. Yeah I mean. He has imposter syndrome at a level. We'll probably previously unknown to man. He doesn't even know he has it. But what it shows up as is rage and attacking and all of the ways as in which he tries to prop himself up. But I think the other piece so he's going to be feeling that that worry the other thing is there's a sport in this to him and I get the sense the eerie sense that there's a part of it when he's not in the rage that enjoys it because he actually truly believes right now like every other time in his teflon trump life. He's GonNa get away with it and and he may well. I mean it is remarkable that this phone call that he had with Ukraine's president was right after the molar testimony. I mean for them that he would set himself up once again for a fall he needs the action he he has a very strong self destructive impulse so I don't think it's a coincidence that he immediately started. Did it again the next day. What's amazing is that only what five or six weeks or somewhere around there since it happened? And it's it's it's murky even to remember the call now. Of course it'll come up the testimony. Yeah all of the testimony tomorrow but he he is so relentless about attacking anything. It is interesting. Though his just from a marketing standpoint his relentlessness in and pushing the same message over and over and over again even when it just demonstrably not true. It was a perfect call. I mean there's no. Republicans begins really arguing. It was a perfect call and yet he continues to. I don't know if he believes it I don't no. It isn't about believing it's about kind of locking into an automatic reaction. No collusion no collusion. No collusion perfect call. Oh perfect call perfect call you keep saying it and saying it and it has a eventually a somewhat hypnotic effect and I think you know not for the people people who are most clearly opposed to trump. But that's not who he's worried about and not for the people who loved trump because they're ignoring this but that little group in the middle so you know he wants to pull them over to his side I mean nothing is really going to happen on this. Unless Republicans in the Senate peel away in some yes and they won't. It's almost inconceivable to me that they will you know what he's done is he has progressively pushed people backwards devolving. It's very unusual to move from one state of moral development back down to a lower state but I would say that if you look at what the Republicans are saying to defend this man. It's evidence that he has them completely in his thrall not only voting but literally morally in his thrall. Tony Schwartz thank you thank you of next intelligence committee many chairman. Adam Schiff speaking out tonight saying the house will have to decide if the fact show bribery and treason of more than that as well as an in depth. Look at the twenty year congressional veteran when we continue. Hey everyone it's poppy harlow in this week's episode boss files a conversation with San Francisco Fed President President Mary Daly. She has a remarkable story of resilience and define the dropped out of college and fifteen years old or donut shops rob and then turned it all around her PhD day. She is responsible for crowning. US Monitoring. It's an important conversation. Hope you find it fascinating. I did check it out since the boss by people who are really dying. Don't keep bringing it up. Is that true. I don't know I'm just usually around people that die faster. Reagan Morning Sundays Sundays at eleven. Thirty only on Adult Swim House. Intelligence Committee Chairman Adam. Schiff says tonight. He's made no decisions about where where the impeachment investigation will ultimately lead. He added the house. We'll have to evaluate whether the facts quote show bribery treason high crimes and misdemeanors unquote California Congressman. Then of course we'll be in the driver's seat as the hearings get underway on and take a closer look though at his background and his mindset going into tomorrow our chief political analyst. Gloria borger her will. It feels times like being in the eye of the hurricane You can never tell when you're going to step out of the force wins but it's a sure bet that this week House intelligence committee chairman. Adam Schiff will be at the center of the storm leading an historic public inquiry. Unimpeachable humint is of course much more intense now than ever before anyone not living under a rock knows. That shift is one of president. Trump's favorite targets little pencil neck and he's not subtle about it. He should resign from office in disgrace and practically they should look at him for treason just just months ago. Shift was in the camp that believed impeachment was not a good idea. We've talked in depth about this. Steve Israel is a close shift friend and former former Democratic colleague. Impeachment might have some consequences that would be harmful to the country to the Democratic Party to members members of Congress but when the president engaged in this phone call with President Solanki. That was a bridge too far for him. What made this a necessity for me? And so so many of my colleagues is that if the president believes that he can abuse his office the power that office can failed to defend our national security and there is no accountability even if accountability is only in the house. That's too dangerous. A prospect to persist shift came to Congress from Los Angeles County District Twenty years ago. Ready to win an election a moderate Democrat who beat the Republican incumbent a leader of the impeachment fight right against Bill Clinton. How's that for Mr Rubin priority has always been Engaging in these National partisan ideological logical Crusades and ignoring the business at home in the district. I don't think people value that shift served in the state Senate but his greatest impact came as an assistant. US Attorney when he prosecuted an FBI agent for selling secrets to the Russians. While it does feel the times like my life has come full circle from a major role in the Republican led twenty fourteen Benghazi investigation to becoming chairman of the Intelligence Committee. This this year. What people don't understand about Adam is that he wanted to go on the Intelligence Committee for two principal reasons number one? It was bipartisan and number. Two it was quiet and so I often say to. How'd that work out for you buddy? Not as expected just weeks ago house. Republicans tried to censure him. How did that feel? We'll have Republican friends. Well you know. I think a my republican colleagues. Finding they lacked the courage to stand up to this unethical president and have console themselves by attacking those who do and. That's a sad reality but it is where the house. Gop Is Kevin McCarthy will do whatever Donald Trump asked asked him to do. He'll merely ask how he wants. McCarthy to jump in the McCarthy will jump behind closed doors with a chairman who has lied three times the American public looking them in the eye. And Somehow we're supposed to trust what comes out of that it's ugly and very personal illegitimate hearings. Republicans say run by a partisan. It is a Soviet style. Impeachment process. Chairmanship is unfit to chair. The Intelligence Committee chairman is having none of it or this precedent. They're gonNA destroy what America stands for in the world they're going to countenance Holding up eight or meetings or whatever to get help in the next election election campaign. They're going to normalize that rationalize that they're going to hunker down and put their heads in the sand about whereas people sense of duty. If that sounds like a line out of a screen play it could could be shift has written a few of his own and took some dramatic and controversial liberties in describing the president's phone call with the Ukrainian gene president. And I'm GonNa say this only seven times so you better listen good. I want you to make up dirt on my political ponant understand lots of it. The performance four minutes turned into a political opening for Republicans one in particular shifty shifty is double corrupt politicians. He took my I words on the phone call and they were so good he totally changed. Do you regret doing it that way. No I made clear I was mocking the president and just as clearly the president doesn't I don't like being mocked but it was a mafia kind of organized crime shakedown but I'm not surprised if the president was attacking me about this you'd be attacking me about something nothing else. What's his mood like these? How would you describe it? He's got some overwhelming responsibilities and they are on his shoulders but he is excellent at relieving relieving that burden with his humor. Look he's got up a goofy sense of humor. That people don't see people would use Abou- We loves funny movies. Everybody knows that he can take you. From the first word of the big Lebowski to the final scene of the big Lebowski. I'm the dude. So that's what you call me. You know they're anywheres from the dude that would apply to your life. I've been asked in the past. Not sure whether you can air this is my only question. What line from the big lebowski comes up up most in political life and I have to say it's the line? No you're not wrong. You're just an goal. Gloria borger reporting still ahead former. UN Ambassador Nikki Haley faithful defender. President trump goes pretty far and finds a spot on are ridiculous. It stays on TNT. All the lead wrestling hits harder. Flies Higher Dr Riggs Boundary His holy whistling a new League Wednesdays at eight on. TNT can't get enough of the NBA sign lineup for NBA League. Pass to gain access to every game being played across the association every night with all new ways to watch through the NBA APP visit Mba dot com or the the NBA APP to get started today busy nine. The eve of the first public impeachment hearing chicken Chrissy. What he's working on? Primetime Chris this this is it brother. These are the weeks of the most consequence for this president in his presidency. Thus far I know some people will say it wasn't that said during Muller. Yeah that was a big deal. This is a bigger deal. Why we've never had people speak about direct communications in direct action that they viewed as wrong or suspicious or worthy of this kind of scrutiny? It's very big for both parties. We'll have tips tonight for what people should look for. And what they should look away. Hey from if they can we have left and right here to talk about what the impact is and what matters from their perspective and we will take you through the latest polls as well well in democratic side and what impeachment may mean to that. Busy Busy Day tomorrow Chris. Thanks very much. You know about Eight minutes from now coming up. What's the one thing most people can't honestly say about President trump well former? UN Ambassador Nikki. Haley has gone ahead and set it ridiculous time now for the ridiculous tonight in the history of absurd testimonials. This one may take the big beautiful. Elegant cake involves Nikki Haley the former South Carolina Orlando governor turned. UN ambassador WHO's most remarkable achievement may been escape. The trump administration without being whacked by the President or having to wear a wire for the feds is usually blood in blood out for trump hires but she remains unscathed until now she appeared on the today. Show this morning to plug her book. And maybe angled to replace Vice President Pence in the two thousand twenty ticket female suburban voters continue to run away from the president to her credit ambassador. Halley is not to have it both ways. No when you say trump. She says train doesn't matter what the question is. What about history fullness? Did you think he was a truthful person. Yes in every instance that I dealt with him he was truthful. He listened and he was great right to work with how trump truthful great to work with a listener. Who is this man she speaks of? I'd Swipe right on him before we even address the president's inability to lie. I mean if I was on tinder which I'm not before we address the president's inability to lie a superpower that apparently only Nikki Haley can see. Let's just quickly address the good listener part. Have you ever seen the him at a cabinet meeting. You know sitting there with his arms cross kind of looks like a guy wishing he had some meatloaf in front of him. The food or the singer either would probably be more interesting than governing. Just about everyone who has fled at this White House has commented on the President Short attention span and lack of interest in reading or listening to long detailed briefings as for Hill claimed that trump is truthful person bless bless her heart though. I'm not sure how she qualified eight. It's actually going to win her any Kudos from the president if he was listening. Did you notice. She gave herself some wiggle room by saying in every for instance I dealt with him he was. Truthful is like when vice president pence or other politicians respond to a question that they they don't want to answer or respond to by saying well. Well all I can tell you is what I saw actually know. y'All can speak to things you haven't seen also but not to be true for instance. I haven't been on the moon but I know it's not made out of cheese. Jeez I'm sure Nikki. Haley worked very hard. It's the UN ambassador but she has eyes and ears and the TV like the rest of us and trump makes stuff up all the time on TV in many places. He's like California the same person votes many times. Not a conspiracy theory millions and millions of people vote many times not just twice not just three times they vote. It's like a circle. They come back. They put a new hat on. They come back. They put a new shirt on president. Obama wanted to meet and Jimmy Kimmel dot meet him. The Obama administration was begging for meeting. And you WANNA buy groceries. You need a picture own a car. You need ide- you go out and you WANNA buy anything you need I D. I put groceries this weekend and recorded me. Apparently make stuff up in front of all of us. The American people but speaks truth directly Nikki. Haley bless her heart as I speaking truth to power in Basketball Haley knows which way the wind is blowing Republican politics and she was willing to throw some people in the administration under the bus. Just the ones that don't matter anymore. The ones who are no longer in power no longer in the good graces is a daddy dearest. Haley Clinton that John Kelly Rex tillerson tried to get her to help them undermine the president and when she stopped by the novelty show over at Fox and friends. She continued to slam secretary of state REX. A AH REX tillerson. He's saying you're not telling the truth. I mean that's so racks so rex. It's the long awaited sequel to that so Raven John Goodman Goodman's GonNa Stars Rex. Tillerson a spunky retiree with psychic abilities. Who Uses disguises to get himself involved in age inappropriate teenage hijinks? That's so rex. That's coming next. Fall streaming on Disney so in summation ambassador. Haley may have survived the administration. But it's not clear. Reputation can survivor book tours. Endless and kind of sad stops along sick of in st whether pants gets the push and she somehow makes it onto the two thousand twenty ticket or not. She'll certainly always be pulling well on the ridiculous and that does frozen news continues one Hanover. Hanover Chris for Cuomo Primetime purse. Are you interested in learning how great companies grow download the Mar- tech podcast. 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Democrats formally begin impeaching Trump with Pelosi announcement

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Democrats formally begin impeaching Trump with Pelosi announcement

"Breaking Impeachment News Speaker Pelosi making it official saying the house will do what many thought it was on. Its Way to impeach president trump's starting now they're not waiting being as we've heard in some of the debates courts to rule on anything else or deal with stonewalling witnesses. They are moving sadly but with confidence and humility with allegiance to our founders and heart full of love for America. Today I'm asking chairman to proceed with articles of impeachment Pelosi also dispensing with some of her other reticence and today dubbing Donald trump a coward when it comes to this process. Some saying there's really no choice. Other than impeaching him given the mountain of evidence against him. The facts of the Ukraine situation and just changed. Everything you crane was the vehicle of the President's action this is about this about Russia. Who benefited by our withholding withholding of that military assistance? All Roads Lead to Putin understand that that that was the moment the Aha moment. Think about what. We're witnessing right there because the speaker has moved so methodically. She didn't rush to impeachment. Everyone knows that and she is not letting only the report or the evidence make the case. The report is the foundation and ultimately any article of impeachment needs elements not unlike although not the same as a criminal process but speaker Pelosi going broader saying. It's not just Ukraine. It's Russia it's not just abuse of power or bribery. It's national security. It is. She says a matter of national import weather we maintain democracy. She made this point saying that that if Congress does not impeach on this evidence well maybe impeachment shouldn't even be in the constitution anymore. So that's where the speaker is. What else is happening? What we have other news for you knew new today? The House Judiciary Committee has announced. Its Second Committee Hearing Judiciary Chairman Nadler Working on drafting articles of impeachment and evidence. Hearing on Monday they will have have a lot of witnesses that are of interest given that they're coming from the intelligence committee those lawyers so then we'll see the scope size. What any articles that are now being literally written tonight? That's sorry I couldn't have told you last night for sure. They're writing them. What will they say? Will they deal with this as narrow or broad as an abuse of power as bribery. And what will they do with a witness this who also may be a CO Conspirator. Of course I'm talking about Rudy Giuliani whereas well he's in Ukraine today of all places. He says he's meeting with prosecutors. which are of course? Also a potential witnesses in all of this on these continuing to talk up the conspiracy theories around the Biden's you're looking at him with the Ukrainian lawmaker. Those photos were posted. Today we have them via Reuters their undated but they were newly posted a reporter with him also putting out separate photos of him sitting down for an interview with the former prosecutor. General of Ukraine. Sankoh Giuliani also says that he's filming a series on the pro-trump one America News Network. I WanNa tell you about this. We looked into it. We found one promotional video which which also shows a former Ukrainian official and the DC issues and all of them at a table. Here with Giuliani. That's basically what they do. That's you're looking at that on a loop and that's the end part of whatever this plot is so you have all of that and then you have these looming questions tonight of. What's the response all this and who's going to make it? Given the trump administration's nations been boycotting the impeachment proceedings. And that brings me to the final thing I want to tell you before we go to our guests take a deep breath. WHO's going to show up and defend the president on this plot law? Well no one in Washington today. But his personal attorney Rudy Giuliani newly live tweeting a defense of the president from Ukraine. I want to bring in Congressman. Eric Swallowed Intelligence Committee. The Roots Jason Johnson and conservative Bill Kristol director of the group defending democracy together. Good evening all congressman. There is the serious There is heavy there is the Baroque and there is the bizarre and what I went through. I think covers a bunch of it right now Your view of what it means to your committees and to the Congress to have the president's lawyer WHO's at the center of this plot doing those meetings today and literally live tweeting leading. A defense from Ukraine Rudy Giuliani being in Ukraine shows that this is a crime spree in progress and that gives us an urgency to act act and to anyone who asks. Are you moving too quickly. I say the president's lawyer is moving quickly to continue to ask a foreign government to cheat our elections and doing nothing scene is completely off the table. We have to secure our elections. We have powerful uncontradicted evidence now and now is the time to hold the president accountable and determine which impeachment articles we should proceed with. Take a look at Part of what Giuliani is posting. It's a farce evidence. Since will be released very soon. He says it supports his views Interesting that he brings up since you as you well know. He's been withholding participating in providing evidence with your committee. I I gotTa Tell Congressman. I spoke to a very seasoned attorney. Today who said that it. It looks like potential witness tampering. To have him over there talking to these people that are subjects of your prob- well we have seen from this president Witness Tampering Brin jury. Tampering intimidation of witnesses. And so it's not surprising at all but we have to focus on our is. That Rudy Giuliani Johny as Donald Trump and Donald. Trump is Rudy Giuliani. The president can throw many other people under the bus and distance himself from them. He can't do that with Rudy Giuliani. We have evidence in the intelligence committee. report that the president told anyone who was working. On Ukraine Rudy is my guy on Ukraine and that Rudy Giuliani has represented the people that he he is the president's person on Ukraine so they're inseparable and so if rudy is to be held to account that means the president has to be held to account. Jason Well Yeah. You can't say that the left doc hand doesn't know what the right hand is doing it and I think the critical thing here if we look at the sort of stepping back Nancy Pelosi said something really fascinating today when she she'd said you know we're going through impeachment. She was adamant about this. Not being political this not being partisan this is not about from the standpoint of switching the polls or getting undecided voters. It's about twenty two thousand from the standpoint of election integrity that if you have a president who was established that he will try to cheat and that he solicited the assistance from other people. If we don't hold him accountable accountable for trying to disrupt the actual process that we can't move forward so I I'm pleased to see that we finally reached this point. Where look the president? We got the evidence. I'm glad that Nancy Pelosi is gone. That far it's GonNa be fascinating. Is the writing now of these impeachment articles. How long that process will take what it will look like? And we might see a preview of that at least some of those conversations happening on Monday back. Bill join me here on set. I'm tempted to try to do something that would help. People see how today is not like yesterday how Giuliani's trip is so brazen and beyond that. We do struggle for words. Should we throw a mug off off the set. Should we swear. Should we do something to say that the brazenness of what we just showed in the top is in itself its own new incredible development. I think it is. I mean Jason's point is interesting speaker out of her way today and answering the question to say look I disagree with Donald Trump and I really. I strongly disagree with them and dislike what he has done and a lot of areas mentioned DACA immigration climate change but those are for twenty twenty. That's to resolve luxury but this is about the constitution and the oath you take nick and it's about the twenty twenty election which trump clearly had an interest in having a foreign government effects by by announcing an investigation. There wasn't a real one real caused for of the Biden family. So that I think really does folk. I hope that she and other stay on the scene. They need to focus people why the impeachment is both just why he he has done things that deserve impeachment and why it's necessary and urges. I do think Giuliani being over there. It's so wacky the almost want to laugh about it and make 'em is tweet at he's having drinks was was various disreputable generally disreputable characters. But he is involved in the plot right. He is acting in a way Putin's agent. He's meeting with pro-putin people in in Ukraine to disrupt Saya cut the current Ukrainian government and to create this fictitious narrative of something or other about Obama and Joe Biden and bill and he said had he said in a tweet yesterday I believe Biden said and remember he was talking about the phone calls to the White House. I call them all the time. I'm the president's lawyer. He is the president's lawyer. It's not that you was the president's lawyer and now he's over there doing certain things so for us we know unless unless president trump and said he is and he's the person's lawyer and also representing the President of the United States in Ukraine. It's pretty unbelievable. He's also a former prosecutor. Who still knows how wiretaps work he knows? He's under investigation if he wants to talk to to these witnesses for the purposes of the criminal investigation or the impeachment probe He knows that calling them up is likely to be giving the goods back to SDN. Why does that speak to also what what may be a little bit of a nervousness and having to go do in person meetings in Ukraine? Yeah I hadn't thought of that. Actually the wiretap issue but yet it does suggest that they are worried worried right. He needs to get people over there to either manufacturer some evidence or create excuses for what he has done. I suppose what the President has done but I do think this is a case. Where the facts clear? They need to keep it. Simple and clear enters the articles and I think the speaker and Chairman Schiffer determined to do that I think the obstruction of justice and the obstruction of Congress are very very strong articles as well. Yeah you could almost as a matter of constitutional not just law constitutional practice and uphold the constitution resisting the house not providing material to the house when it's explicitly impeachment inquiry is really unbelievable. There's a long tradition that on this house has to get the material and this is the housing. How can they decide whether two the percent? And this is the greatest power. They're they're they're at their highest point congressman. Take a listen to the Republican perspective. Here new from Congressman scalise. Going after Pelosi. Hello see still faxed each. But they're gonNA do it anyway. I think the biggest is all done and thank you start to see today. Pelosi just rally foreigners congressman. That's how they talk about women you know if it was a man talking to a reporter that way and the president Does that often They would never characterize it that way. She was asked to an unfair question. And she gave a serious response But I also he will go to make that point. Let's show it's a folks folks can see that. It was a pretty strong exchange with conservative reporter a veteran of Fox News right after the announcement of that impeachment plant speaking. You've anybody ask anybody. Don't this is about the constitution of the United States. And the facts that leads to presidents violation of Zone of office this as a Catholic I resent. You're using the word hate in the sentence that addresses me. I don't hate anyone. I was raised in a way that has a heart hearts full of love and always prayed for the president. And that's still pray for the president. I pray to the president all the time. So don't mess with me when it comes to words. Loyd like that congressman. These are serious times and we need people to approach this with with the seriousness that it deserves. And so you know to Steve Scalise Earlier the facts are there and what I think the American people are going to have to consider Is this what we want. The president of the United States to be able to do to use your taxpayer money to ask a foreign government to cheat election. And if Lieutenant Colonel Vin men and Masha Ivanovich and Fiona Hill can show the courage to come forward and risk their reputations and their jobs to do the right thing then these Republicans can do their damn jobs and do the right thing and uphold the constitution congressman. Speaking Defensive Your speaker in a defensive what I know our many of the the issues that have been raised in this series proceeding. Appreciate you joining US tonight. We'll catch up soon. I appreciate it bill. Stay and bill. I want to turn to one more piece of this. We've got a lot to get to here so the third piece of this is what we're learning about the actual case in the actual articles and it was very interesting today and another exchange exchange with a reporter. NBC's Garrett Hake Pelosi not wanting to speak to the big question about other alleged obstruction. Take a look. Do you WANNA see elements of the Muller report or these other medications that the chairman will be making recommendations adult. What the The our counsel are lawyers achier the staffs of the committees at Vincent and look to them for their judgment. How do you read that for people who care about these issues shoes? You run a group about the rule of law politically. There may be reasons not to go to big substantively. If you think the president instructed the muller pro you have an obligation nation in Congress to deal with it but I mean you're a lawyer but don't use the prosecutor want to have your strongest count there and not have the more complicated ones. Maybe if necessary you you know giving slightly easier targets perhaps so you don't you don't like as a strategy you know getting back into it. I like mentioning as part of a pattern and I think that easiest way to do it is to have it in their me in a sentence or two as part of a pattern of obstruction a pattern of Welcoming foreign interference in our elections. You can have it in each of the Zubi three articles if they are three the abuse of power and bribery article the obstruction of justice article and the obstruction of Congress article. Those are all relevant to the mall. But I would have that more. As an instance of a pattern of which Ukraine crane is the key decisive moment. When I think this is true about the speaker at about a majority of the house they wouldn't maybe thought they should have? But they wouldn't have actually impeached just on the Muller report so you can't sort of retroactively make that up I think and I think they can use it as a as an example but they need to keep the focus on Ukraine. I think interesting to get your take. As a noted trump a critic in other words there are people who think of you in fact people have said this about you that you will take anything and everything against him and you're disagreeing with that tonight and saying at best it should be supporting evidence. Jason your view it will. Nancy Pelosi knows that not only in Congress but the country. There's an appetite for impeachment. But you can't just sort of fill ova plate right. You're going to have to get something that people can eat in small pieces that they can understand that they can take back to their constituents and explain when twenty twenty comes around so it makes sense that she somewhat narrow casting it right now. But here's the other issue. The only reason that Ukraine matters is because of Muller. It's because of previous things at the president said this this this in basketball we would almost must be calling this a makeup call. You're not getting this technical foul for what you just did. It's for the five other guys that you kick. If Donald Trump had an engaged such consistent and brazen behaviour if he weren't still doing win things like having Rudy Giuliani literally over there. We just accuse you of being in the cookie jar and guys over there with chips. Ahoy in Ukraine right. Now if the president wasn't continued to engage in this behavior haven wouldn't even have Ukraine so the idea of focusing specifically on this particular behavior keeping the money from the landscape and in order to affect twenty twenty but saying that this is the end end result of the mobile report and several other things that they've done that actually makes a lot of sense for Congress. Something the people can understand that it's striking very interesting here. Both you on that Jason Johnson. Our gratitude there's always bill stick around. I think you know why. And it's a reason for a lot of people to stick around coming up. We're also going to get to a fact check of Donald Trump's new defense against impeachment Ukraine actually hasn't gotten auden all the money. I'll explain new evidence later a breakdown on the Ukraine scheming. Why so much of it has blown up in Rudy Giuliani's face because of Fox News and we'll show you brand new? You're looking at Joe Biden and trying to diffuse some of these issues with voter today and then yes reunited in feels so good. I am not joking. Bill kristol stole fat. Joe Tonight on the way for it and it'll happen this hour when we come back. Hey Everyone Steve Kornacki here. We have heard explosive testimony from. I'm key witnesses in the public impeachment hearings. So what's next. As the case for impeachment been made could the President Coun- Republican support in a Senate trial. And how could it affect the twenty twenty election. Will every Monday Wednesday and Friday I talked to. NBC News reporters to answer these questions and more on article two inside impeachment impeachment. It's an NBC News. podcast host we break down what matters what's next and what it means for our country search. Now wherever you're listening to this podcast to subscribe for free. Thanks for listening. Now we turn to a new story that we have not had time to cover it all this week because so much has been happening. And I bet if you've been following impeachment yeah it will interest you because it's new evidence blowing a hole through a core trump impeachment defense. You've probably heard a lot about from the White House side. This is now anew from this house impeach report has gotten almost no attention yet understandably given that. It's a long report and a lot has been happening. The issue is at the heart of trump's alleged bribery every scheme that military aid that was withheld from Ukraine for extortion. In fact we mentioned Speaker Pelosi's new remarks. She cited that money in her new statement. The president abused his power for his own personal political benefit at the expense of our national security by withholding military aid withholding military. A everyone who's followed this knows the money did ultimately get unfrozen when they got caught. Donald Trump learned that he whistle blower was actually going after after this whole plot and he relented now. Many trump supporters have argued. This is very important. You've probably seen this line of argument. That Ukraine ultimately got the money and that cancels out any impeachable offense the real bottom line is he. Got The money you've got the money the Ukrainians did nothing to as far as investigations goes to get the aid release so there was never this. Quid pro quo. I look at it this way. The aid is air and the investigations didn't happen so if there was a quid pro quo would certainly one very effective when they got the money. Let's take this two points one. It's not a valid legal defense to bribery. In fact other other politicians are imprisoned today for successful bribery plots so trump's alleged extortion of Ukraine was going on wall. The money was frozen. That's what made it allegedly extortion. That's number one but number two. What's new tonight? This report also cuts into trump's defense on the facts because for all of the talk like what I just showed you about. The White House is releasing all the Ukraine money. Trump's actions have denied Ukraine. Not a dollar or one hundred thousand dollars or a million dollars but thirty five five million dollars of that aid. The report noting Pentagon officials confirming Ukraine still is not received thirty five million security assistance yet to be dispersed meaning in those funds which were approved under. US Law have not gone out. This isn't a rounding error which you see very simply on your screen is fourteen percent of the entire money has still been denied Ukraine so trump did not actually get all the money back to Ukraine even as he tried to lift the hold to cover up the plot which adds context to something else that you're about to see the Senate floor there. September twenty six on that day lawmakers took a little noticed action. They passed a new special law as a way to get the money. That trump had blocked Ukraine at some point in the future extending the window for transferring it because it had been blocked. You see right here anyone. Paying very close attention would have noticed in this is a somewhat industry publication military's affairs covered by defense one noting Senate passes Ukraine aid extension. So why am I talking about this right now. This is not just history. This is now tonight new evidence against Donald Trump for his potential impeachment. That vote was revealing and it did have some Republicans on board which showed they still wanted the money to get back to Ukraine very unusual problem that lawmakers who by the way don't get everything passed into law. I think we all know about that. They took this seriously and the next day after trying to fix the delay at eight which this report says is still nine Ukraine millions. Well it was still a big deal rattling lawmakers on the floor let's see. Russia has invaded Ukraine. Ukraine is dependent upon the United States for military assistance to defend itself. Trump is withholding the at the same time asking them for dirt on his political opponent. He's jeopardizing the national security interests interests of the United States. Maybe you've never seen that moment before that was on the week to Congress took this extraordinary. Bipartisan vote to try to free three of money. Money that we're learning in the new report. Donald trump actions have prevented from going to Ukraine. So anytime you hear this defense that actually all the money went to Ukraine. The kind have no harm no foul defense. The news apart from the legal stuff. I mentioned that is factually false. Not all the money went to Ukraine and as of tonight trump administration still doesn't have a good reason as to why I wanted to get you that news and now we're going to go onto something really interesting. The report from the House Intelligence Committee shows anything anything. People say on Fox News can and will be used against them when we're back in thirty seconds Peterborough but moving forward against president trump even as he aged refused to testify or explain their conduct. Now I've told you going through new facts intelligence support not just talking walking although we do plenty of talking and I wanna show you something else right now. This report stitches together evidence from trump and his aides so while they won't testify. The report emphasizes is the Democrats. Think they can prove key damning parts of this plot based partly on these scheming and incriminating statements in public specifically broadcast live on Fox which which looks especially bad because it was occurring before this whistleblower came forward back in April when no one was talking about Ukraine Giuliani suddenly took an interest in a then obscure company. Johnny Barista so I began getting some people that were coming forward and telling me about that. And then all of a sudden they revealed the story about Berea smer her and Biden Shun all of a sudden Biden. Impeachment probe is finding evidence to trump's Ukraine. Plot was fundamentally think about propaganda. The goal was pushing Ukraine to damage the Biden's in public not about actually investigating foreign corruption. It was about getting talk of Biden and corruption on American television in a loop from Fox News Act to Ukraine back to CNN and entire political conversation that was designed to tarnish cornish the Biden brand as he witnessed cited in the report explained. It was all about hitting Biden on air. Not whether anyone actually did the investigations he had to announce the investigations. He didn't actually have to do them as I understood it. This was a demand that presidents Alinsky personally commit on a cable news channel to a specific investigation of president trump's political rival and this new report. We have documents it with Giuliani secretly plotting thing in March to get the probe launched publicly touting his clues on television now that plot was of course exposed so it partly failed but D- report shows more exhaustively really than we've ever seen until this week how it was supposed to work kind of a drumbeat building to what they planned an international televised announcement of a probe. which had that happened it? Would it made Giuliani and Co look maybe prescient when in fact they were predicting quote unquote the outcome. They were secretly engineering backed by the the frozen money and all the other White House plotting so take a look in April as the report notes on the same day conservative writer John Solomon pushed by allegations. Giuliani went on Fox News news to push them further. I got information about three or four months ago. That a lot of the explanation for how this whole phony investigation in started. We'll be in the Ukraine that there were a group of people in the Ukraine that will work in a help Hillary Clinton and were colluding really with the Clinton campaign and it stems around the ambassador and the embassy being used for political purposes. A month later Giuliani was darkly predicting Biden would be investigated by election day but falsely claiming claiming the investigation was coming up because Giuliani wanted it but because it was warranted. It's a big story or too dramatic story and I guarantee he you. Joe Biden will not get to election day without this being investigated. Not because I want to see him investigated this is collateral to what I was doing. The evidence shows that's false trump and Giuliani did want him to be investigated. That's why they were predicting it in the report. Shows trump was in all the plotting pushing another Ukraine conspiracy. I see guess where also on Fox News take a look at Ukraine. How come the FBI didn't take the server? Podesta told him to get out. Get out so how come the didn't take the server from the DNC trump and Guiliani push those false conspiracy theories to try to hurt Biden and they wound up hurting themselves. But here's a question. Did they believe those things were true. Maybe which could explain why this plot backfired so badly. It's one thing to cook up a propaganda drug deal the trick others. There's another thing to trick yourself. And since John Bolton so memorably brought up the idea of cooking drugs this is where the Ukraine plotters violated a crucial crack commandment number four. I know you heard this before. Never get high on your own supply will. Maybe they were so high. I on crowd strike embarrassment. They started believing it and it may be clouded their judgment. That is not a legal defense in fact this report documents. The goal of propaganda is to hurt your opponents regardless of the truth for all the talk of the two thousand sixteen server the evidence shows trump wanted to run basically the same play that worked in twenty-six Hillary Clinton was never actually indicted let alone convicted over emails. Everyone knows that and the new emails that did get rumored and come out. They didn't change gain the outcome of those investigations. But boy. Do you remember this. If you take one thing from this special report let it be this do you remember how. Just the talk of potential investigations reopening investigations. Especially if you talk about it on Fox News followed by bad news. Well that can really affect an election right it got to that. You're going to hear about an extradition. I mean I'm talking about some pretty big surprise I heard. Did you say that this morning. What do you mean? You'll you'll see. He said that was twenty. Sixteen here they were at it again with the same person on the same channel the same type of propaganda with some details different. This time though it blew up it looks like it may get Donald trump impeach. Which is where biggie? Smalls gives way to Sean Carter when it comes to framing your opponent the same same sort that night you can goodnight you. Let's get into it now with wanting to talk to her at the Center for American Progress Action Fund. Good evening. Hey how you doing. I'm all right. There's a lot in this report we're still bringing out the evidence. What do you think of this propaganda portion? It all goes back to what Dr a fee on a Hill said. This is language that is sanctioned from Russia that is going to be divisive to our country and destructive to our democracy. And and what they did as you highlighted. There's no such thing as coincidence. All the bread comes or laid out in public. They let the public know exactly what they were doing. And using using the same playbook in two thousand sixteen because but the only difference here now is that we have whistle blower we got a whistle blower who came forward with a report and a complaint and now Congress. Chris has taken steps to get to the truth and what they've done with all of the expert testimony. All of the witnesses coming forward is now shifts. Team has is laid out a very clear case against trump and what he and all of his allies have been doing this entire time and there's no way to rebut it. There's no way to to really counteract all all the facts that they willingly went on public and said repeatedly. Yeah they said it in public which which takes Miranda rights and turns them into a Hannity version. What what you say on Fox News Cannon? We'll be used against you and so much of it is admitted and it's also very striking to see times. Where then they go back to hiding? What the Democrats are doing is potentially obstruction Rudy Giuliani blatantly? Brazenly out in Ukraine. Men's saying he can't tell you about the show him in an interview being dodgy when it is his It is reported. He was speaking at the time from Ukraine. Take a listen. I can't really describe it. I can't even confirm though I can tell you which that I am doing today all day and all night. Maybe what I've been doing for a year and a half representing my client. I am not involved. How in the twenty twenty election that is democratic garbage? I'm involved in sending my client who's innocent against false short Juanita part of that itself has proven to be false. And if he wanted to defend his client he would have done it in front of Congress. He is in Ukraine right now. Now on behalf of president trump and I need the American public to really let that sink in that even with all of this facts out all of the evidence out he is still in Ukraine doing trump's bidding. Like nothing happened. None of this matters. And ultimately this really align with what Pelosi what schiff have really been saying. This is an active threat right to our democracy and the upcoming election cycle. And that's why they are forced to take action. You lay it out clearly and the report has a lot of material. We're GONNA continue to make sense of because it's just. It's just a lot of new information that shed some light. Whatever one thinks of it? Whatever one's views of it are thanks as always thanks? I want to turn next to a fiery every clash out on the campaign trail that also involves impeachment and some of these other stories quite revealing when we come back the meet the press. Chuck Todd Cast. It's an insider's take on politics. The twenty twenty election and more candid conversations with some of my favorite reporters about things we usually discuss off camera. Listen for free wherever you get your podcast. And there's been a lot of reporting on the evidence facts in substance of impeachment but because this is ultimately we've been reporting a propaganda campaign about twenty twenty. There is used related politics. Everyone knows that. Including how the target of this smear campaign is responding Biden was out today calling. Well what he calls lies. You're you're GonNa see this in a moment but let me show you some context. Because he's tried to address this several times. In fact remember what Joe Biden said in the first days after the whistle blower story broke. Wait wait wait wait a second wait a second one. Single credible outlet is giving any credibility to his assertion. Not One single one and so I have no comment except the president. Start to be pressured. No comment except that one and more to come in fact since then Joe Biden widen of course has been presented with this has to deal with it and all kinds of forms including those highly watched debates. My son did did nothing wrong. I did nothing wrong. I carried out the policy. The United States government in rooting out corruption in in Ukraine three. And then that's what we should be focusing on be on the campaign trail. The Biden folks also launched this website. I don't know if you've seen it but it tries to deal so with trump's accusation it says it's fact checking just the facts folks. Critics have argued that sometimes these types of efforts which are somewhat old school give oxygen the repetition to the very attacks. Joe Biden says are worthless and that brings us to something new. That's making all kinds of waves today. Joe Biden out campaigning. All these campaigns pains are continuing. He's campaigning at the center of this impeachment crisis which involves attacks on him now with your own eyes. You can see exactly what happened. You're selling access to the president. Just like he was an waterbeds. That's not true. And what is their own in has. My Son has done anything wrong and I did not have any occasion has ever said I sell my son the work nor the number two said I were straightjacket. Get your words straight. Anyone at a human level could understand Joe Biden's feelings about this what he says and what have been demonstrated to be lies including involving his son. This is also a top Democratic candidate and and how he deals with the pressure after as we showed you he said no comment fact check and now a flash of understandable emotion. One thing to keep in mind is voters owners are gonNA continue to assess how Joe Biden who rarely live TV interviews on any of these topics. How he's handling it and whether his campaign is ready for what would come if he stays? He's in this race or becomes the nominee. Now when we come back I have something very special that I think some of you may enjoy because we've got a lot of feedback about it when it happens before on the beat tonight two very special guests when we come back a house. Democrats making it official. They are drafting articles of impeachment. teeing up a floor vote. The Democrats vowed a win and then trial of president trump that could captivate Americans presenting deming evidence to millions of people. who think about it? Aren't maybe political obsessive news junkies that follow this every day which leads us tonight to a big question. What story the rest of America here and will be an inflection point in the trump saga that actually changes minds? The trump era has already changed politics. And it's brought many strange alliances together including creating a political friendship that began on this very set Bush neo conservative. Bill Kristol and grammy nominated rapper. Fat Joe Finding Common Cause in their concern about trump's threat to democracy see. They're back here tonight. With Joe's twelve studio album coming out and bill kristol advocating for the rule of law with his organization defending democracy together so from terrorist. Squad ought to the squad we have to icons back together. Great to see you guys great to be back yard couple man. How's he lived? We're legends on the street. I walk was bill like I go to some places where it was the last time someone asks you. Go Stone Crab in Miami. Somebody approached me and said Yeah Bill Kristol. They think he's part of the entourage is something he's very. That was my cousin. Are you ready to get into terrorist squad. I A speech synthesizer people ask me about all. The time actually happens to give him the lyrics help in my hand I will help them out with the show with would bail eight spinoff. Shaw WanNa do a show with bill and I'm like of course. Well well I got. I got news about this in the Green Room. And we have a whole discussion. Should we include you. What's a tough decision? Let's face it we really need. You really need juice. He raises circle. Vesey Nice to let factor nice. Let Them I've got news for Americans. The show is happening right now. That a lot of stories come and go. You're interested in politics. Not Everybody is. How do you think this impeachment story goes out to regular people? I think it's the people who are political junkies. Tuned in for your average person is just going over their head. Because it's it's been vice. Vice versa is but trump bashing and trump going back. And it's just I just feel like it's been so much going on with my fly over your average person's Edberg amazed. How many people? I know intelligent people people who do all the news. Oh come on does not that serious you know. And people really are able to cite it off his based on tell of to America's right now view democratic you follow certain stations Republican you follow certain stations nations tune into Fox just to see what they say and I cringe and ten minutes a change back to where to look at Ari. You know what I mean. A and S. What's going on in America telling the story and we tell them the story and and everybody's choosing their side and and and you know and that's what's going on with? The news was going on with the people that it seems like the diehards diehards and never trump's other never trump's and that's what's going on the media that's going on in the workplace. That's what's going on in America and yet you know talk about changing the minds about trump hip hop has changed. Its mind about trump. Because was he used to get shout. Outs and the facts evolve and people said okay. No more shout outs. Because this isn't a game anymore I mean I was. I was so interested in trump when he was running whether he was Republican than not. It wasn't too. He gave his first speech coming down the ESCALATOR and call the Mexicans drug dealers in all A. Ah George Rob I used to see Donald Trump walking down the street. Why Nick Gangs? I could not believe I was there for trump men. I had the popcorn like the means like I was I go. Let's see what he's doing. A fat joke could change his mind because you got past the dazzle and the reality show. Is that a model for other people but I think a lot of people have sought that off and nice as those things. It's unfortunate but come on the cheese. Okay you know. And there's country is ironically. Trump has helped a lot because the country's a a strong country and a lot of the institutions strong institutions and. He hasn't done as much damage as he might have died in terms of our day to day life. And and so you know people are able to sort of enjoy Traum traum you just put your finger on it. Because who's Day to day lives that we talk about. I want to show you attorney. General Bill Barr. Who is the kind of power that can affect people's lives who gets arrested arrested? WHO GETS I who goes to jail and he just said something that we want to basically put out so people understand what's going on and take a look but I think today American people have to focus on something else which is the sacrifice and service? Now that is given by law enforcement officers communities don't give that support and respect. They might find themselves without the police protection. They need fat. Joe You have the attorney general making what I heard to be potential threat Brett. If you don't do what we want. You won't be protected by the police. That sounds crazy. They really crazy. I think we should all respect law enforcement forcement and they put their lives on the line. He's in good day. Yes but at the same time you have freedom of speech what you saying protests. You're not protected. Did this. This is crazy bill. I haven't seen a modern attorney general. Say anything like that. He has not I think he's reading a speech there right. He's not just just answer a question and saying something in a sort of infelicitous way now. It's pretty shocking. I mean there are bad apples in police departments. I believe everyone knows that. There's a huge number investigations that have found that and the idea that we should turn our is bigger conservatives. Usually pretty suspicious of government workers unions and they're unionized and if the protections protections those people have and maybe people should be a little more accountable for what they're doing and then suddenly with cops. It's don't hold them accountable at all. We should just all assume they're all terrific and we've seen an awful awful lot of evidence and I myself was pretty strong law and order guy. I've been a little shaken. The last few years to see what I think other people who live in different communities to see much more up close which is behavior her some police and they're under a lot of strain and most of them do a good job but you know that that needs to be the anyway the bar attitude is really damaging. I think it's chilling. You've you've got your album dropping tomorrow and we've got this this great great buddy comedy here between the two so I gotta do. Both one is because I don't know if you've even seen this this is family ties and we're GONNA get into that but I also want to show you some moments where other people on television have. I didn't even bring it up. They brought it up. I want talk about the two of you. In this partnership take a look we biggest and again the only man can forge a friendship between bill kristol and fat Joe Joe and he did an upbeat. They're right there. I don't know how much how much time you spend the nightclub Willie. 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Cooper, Taylor, SCIFer Spy

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Cooper, Taylor, SCIFer Spy

"Twenty nine thousand nine the Cooper Taylor skipper spy edition I'm David Plots of Atlas Cure I'm in Washington DC joining me from New Haven Connecticut hello and welcome to the Slate Political Gabfest Mark Tober twenty four most shocking impeachment testimony yet impeachment takes some dark strange turns this week then facebook is it even -servative legislators invaded the skiff the secure room where secret depositions were taken actually I guess they weren't taken in that room but they invaded the and from CBS is sixty minutes or he has now been inaugurated he has said I'm John and I'm John dickerson military aid to Ukraine which Congress had approved at in exchange for the Crean's promising or at least beginning an invest scheme that was again seems to have come out of Taylor's testimony and other places which was delineated which involved getting the Ukrainian Prime Minister see what has happened to mass protest why is there not more mass protests during this presidency plus we'll have cocktail chatter so much secure room to protest the secrecy of the impeachment inquiry and delay the impeachment inquiry for five hours I'm sure there are other crucial points that I have missed impeachment action this week there were a bunch of critical elements on Tuesday and Wednesday on Thursdays we tape no doubt more things are happening I probably or just terrible or merely wicked we will discuss then should should Democrat should progressive takes to the streets to try to end the trump presidency. I think until now the clarity there was clarity lacking in the accusation that President Trump withheld three hundred ninety one million dollars in military aid to the government if Ukraine until the Ukrainian president publicly announced a probe into the Biden's second there was me too so emily what was so important in what Bill Taylor the ambassador to Ukraine said and why is he an important witness minutes it is in fact John Dickerson Hello John dickerson Hello David Hello Emily Hello we are very very excited for your debut can I just say that yes we are excited we false they did know about a month earlier than previously believed contradicting the administration's claim and and then finally got finally a group of importantly Bill Taylor Ambassador to Ukraine testified that they're absolutely was of quid pro quo planned within the US government apparently the president trump orders to withhold to act out his announcement of approach on CNN they attempted to sort of extort him to go on CNN and gave him a script what he would need to say to announce his probe the next democratic debate or you practicing and they moderator they have not asked me to moderate maybe there has a lottery Gatien to dig up dirt on Joe Biden his son and also into the origins of the twenty six thousand election kind of following along a conspiracy theory that trump believes in that would discredit the Mueller investigation and the whole notion that the Russians helped trump win twenty sixteen election so what we have now from Taylor is this explicit quid pro quo they ordered pizza and brought their cellphones into this and they brought their cell phones yes I would like to talk less about the skiff because I feel that third the Ukrainians did indeed know about this quid pro quo demand one of the claims that the trump administration has made is that they have been quid pro quo that Ukraine's didn't even weren't even aware of it all four something big military aid as opposed to something smaller which was the withholding of a meeting between Ukrainian presidents Alinsky and trump so this is the quid pro quo trump has denied that all his defenders in the Republican Party have relied on and alert has a ton of credibility he has fifty years in public service he has served every presidential administration Republican and Democratic since nineteen eighty five folding and he spoke so much in sorrow rather than anger expressing deep dismay about the kind of ruining of America and he brought receipts he had this fifteen pages of testimony based on notes that he had taken while these events are on a strong support for Ukraine in the face of Russian aggression and it seemed clear that he was motivated by this feeling that the government has taken a disastrously wrong to me I I find this whole notion that the Democrats are doing some dastardly deed by holding these closed door hearings I don't buy that you know lots of turn and that is harming country and a part of the world that he has poured himself into and cares a great deal about so I mean it was pretty blockbuster day honestly we'll set the president has said this and directed chief-of-staff Mulvaney to do this and that does that matter no I mean I kind of wonder if the Democrats are making a political error because these witnesses seem to be very strong on the other hand I'm so glad we're not having to listen to these members of the house it's been reported out is that he did not have any direct order from the president to quid pro quo something that he was hearing it secondhand Inari aspects of congressional investigations take place behind closed doors see Benghazi run by the Republicans eventually these folks are going to happen to testify in public if we proceed to an impeachment trial in the Senate or they'll testify in public in the house before then this seems like a perfectly fine way to gather information we're going to hit it up hit back to it and it's like plus good yes people are rolling reference it on today's gap fast the a quasi legal political and legal gets to illegal stage when you get into the Senate and you do in fact have the chief justice presiding so it's it's not totally completely grandstand on television why they ask their questions so whatever I do however want to hear more backup testimony for Taylor's account interdiction between key aspects of his testimony and things that Gordon Sunland who's the kind of trump guy in the middle of this has told Congress and also Kurt Volker there fifteen pages of opening statement is that that the Ukrainians were dying at the hands of the russian-led forces as a result of the bending US foreign policy for his own political purposes in a way that we know one of the things that Taylor also reportedly testified about based on the well I want to interrupt on one important point which is that all of what you're saying may well be true I'm sure it is true but how do we know that you are characterizing something that Nicole but if you keep the eye on the ball which is that the president is is accused of misusing his job and the powers of his job for his own political purposes and then because he talked about a number of other officials who were in the room or on important phone calls in what he was describing and then there is Taylor what makes Taylor damaging is that Taylor has testified to something that now a whole host of other people from the From Vogler done in secret and has been leaked out so late well we do have these fifteen pages of testimony from Taylor and I you know I think brings into sharper relief a story that was already coming together and finally I would just say I think you were being they're doing it and also this isn't a crime and the key and venue in which it's being adjudicated is not strictly illegal one it's kind of it's The Washington Post Post the cutting of the funding yeah yes that the that the administration has consistently sought to pursue cuts to all the programs which witness over the last three years I just actually add pungent detail to that so one of the claims the species claims that the administration seems to be making its Oh this is it's essentially what Mick Mulvaney said out loud from the White House podium which he then had to had to backtrack or he and so the the story lines up what Taylor says simply the primarily the president being concerned with corruption Ukraine but if you look at the actual behavior of the administration as was reported I think in the Times anyway so you have the president who is bending US foreign policy for his own private political purposes and so that's the big problem and there's it's not just takes all these legs and it becomes and as we saw from the coverage of the State Department Investigation Hillary Clinton's e mails investigation itself gets a lot more coverage than the exoneration does episode as he he apparently testified for the purposes of of getting promises about this investigation and I should know quickly that it's the public promise of the investigation is politically powerful grit and people will have to put the facts on the table but one one thing we do know is we have a pattern of behavior of president trump's much of that pattern is what got in Ukraine and that this was solely about his dedication to the idea of corruption is inconsistent with the picture of Donald Trump that that people have had a chance to public all more than simply the private promise to investigate because of course as we know from other investigations once you sane investigations happening it off you know it the like trump officials whose accounts now sound fishy so John One of the few gaps in the Taylor testimony at least based on the facts emily so what John has just presented and what we've all seen this week is this this incredibly damning set of him elected and the idea that he would not be involved and not interested in a possible political benefit to his campaign from looking at corruption a delay in American military aid so the consequences here are real they are directly real in with respect to the delays that were all kinds of bad behavior human rights abuses in order to support countries that he argues are doing things in probably deaths and weakness of an ally of ours for personal political gain and distorting of American Fund Burn Policy possibly suborn another instance in which this behavior is so completely out of character from a character we know one thing about who doesn't change the way he not to president trump personally when you look at how polarized congresses and then the changing way in which people consume news I see a couple of things is the president does not need to just in the same way you know crime need to say exactly what they're doing it's possible but unlikely that we're going to see that switch because I think there is such fear of the Republican beasts in terms of its loyal inland to hill all testified to parts of this there is a co n and this was all in furtherance of of ratifying what the original whistle-blower said and I've suppose of alleged facts and reporting about the president's withholding of congressionally appropriated military to our allies who causing the has the only way to do it safely to do it in a pack and I think that Fox News would also have to basically simultaneously turn on trump either gene suborning the Ukrainian president who appear in media to lie about it which actually may in fact be a crime according to something and yet and yet and yet and yet there's instant that's alleged and and actually the president has has said out loud is that he cared so much about corruption that he delayed furthering US foreign policy which was to help you as you may change his positions but doesn't change this wildly so this is this is why you don't necessarily need to have the transcript in front of you the the facts that are known and how it's delivered from Watergate I think you see just like a different set of conditions on the ground for the political assessment a significant amount of outrage on the right about this any chance at that starts to change if it happens it's going to happen all at once so you were having fun with that question and and and the idea that this is all being happening in secret emily's answer is the right one of course this process will play out and it will not be crane to keep pressure against the Russians so in this case corruption was so important that US foreign policy was in a secondary position with respect to Turkey Russia Philippines he said the phone call never took place maybe it was a rare slip up from one of the most calculating politicians on the hill it could also be a sign that that Mitch McConnell is sending signals to in favor of of American foreign policy so just in terms of of taking the alleged acts and measuring them against what a what Donald trump normally does we have yet own perhaps above all others and I think he takes a compliment knows how not to answer a question we all know and become conditioned to what it sounds like when a politician gives a response the Arabia and probably some countries I'm not remembering the president to the acclaim of many has taken an extremely relaxed position towards corruption murder claimed told the president that his phone call with the president of Ukraine was perfect McConnell said this in front of a group of reporters McConnell said he never talked root out corruption in Ukraine and other places and the idea that this is actually a matter of concern corruption is actually a matter of concern this nistration is clearly nonsense put it to his own completely various political purposes it's you know revolting. It is an undermining of Congress it is an undermining of foreign policy where that you're talking about John What do you think one thing that occurs to me just that I wanNA finish off my point about the publicly observable behavior of the President what we have in this donald a majority of the Senate could be in peril so that's a lot of extrapolation from one answer but I think it's an interesting thing to while but look the president look you better clean this up better than you have so far or McConnell feels if you look at somebody like Cory Gardner running for reelection as a Republican in Colorado his numbers are Sean's military aid to to help the Ukrainians and a war against Russia and the president has has taken this and it is absolutely outrageous this is a subornation of American foreign policy something which Republicans Democrats a bipartisan bill to help Ukraine perfect phone call and not address the idea of whether they'd ever talked about it he could answer to a totally different question could blame the Democrats he could have talked about the the devil and the Deep Blue Sea didn't do any of that not much to lose is not really kind of standing up and saying firmly how absolutely outrageous this is can I very bad at the moment for reelection McConnell would have to lose a lot of seats in this election but if the president goes down in flames that's not going to be good for senators running and Mitch gotTa answer when he was asked did he have this conversation with the president did he say it was a perfect phone call he could have said given principal dancer I never talk about what I talk about what the president he could restated the point said that was and I think that happened this week in May not have even it may have been a slip of the tongue in which case I'm putting too much wait on it but Mitch McConnell was asked if he as the president had they mischaracterized what he said so as not to have to defend it or so forth and so on those are you know low grade things what congressman scalise is doing and others have done it as well is basically by definition impeachments overturn elections that's what they do so yeah and there's only one actually there's only one person president who could have been impeached taking he knows what the rules of the of the of the house procedures are important in part because they were passed by a Republican majority he knows how this works just the story you're getting is asks you to believe something that you're your own experience wouldn't wouldn't suggest the case on politics the most important thing and what that does I think is different than what what happens when when members of Congress are asked to stand up for something the president says and they they shuffle away and say I didn't hear what he said would have been elected as well and so forth actual right no well these well and Truman and so forth but they were ultimately elected not even Mitt Romney who I admire the heck out of is able to to speak up about this and being away spoken up a little bit he just hasn't saying that Republicans are being shut out of this secret process forty five Republicans have access to the to the transcripts of the interviews in which Republicans are taking place says of the exact opposite happening so you have a Steve Scalise in the leadership the whip of the Republicans in the house in this stunt that we mentioned at the top of the conversation answer doing something terribly wrong this is to to basically distort reality by burning the institution that he is a part of and that he has some obligation of stored can I just throw some some kindling on your On your roaring fire in fact what you have is at least you have couple of instance I thought it included I include I included Chester Arthur and John Tyler but a Martin Tunisian pointed out no actually since they were vice presidents stewardship towards and that is something that you can't go back against that's something you can't you know say well it was Donald Trump and he has a interesting way of talking this bringing their cell phones into the secure facility which is totally trivial question in some ways to trivial matter but it does show the way in which that preventing Russian aggression was a goal of the United States and lately that protecting classified information if it had anything to do with you know Hillary other circumstances just two completely grandstand a point and to that small act of destruction of destruction of the security of that facility his wife I think there's so much outrage about the skiff takeover not over the protests which seems legit but if the members of Congress is using something that's happening in the moment and and it's also causing other kinds of weird back bands Senator John Cornyn saying you know this impeachment is overturning an election is in some ways more significant than all the disruption that they're causing from their protest and they did it to distract right I mean they succeeded in changing appointed by trump George W Bush and originally putting the foreign service by Ronald Reagan but that actually none of that should matter a secretary of state should stand the headlines for at least a day so like good on them for that as a political move but I think the part of the reason may be your thinking we haven't and I'm not getting indignant at you because you're you're merely a tribune you're merely carrying a message forward in the world is what as secretary of Defense Mattis explained to me that is what sends the young man or woman up the hill in Afghanistan that these ideas and these now all deep state conspiracy and instead we have we have the cartoonish sinister trio of Giuliani and his henchmen going over to to run the president about The phone call the president of Ukraine and then when Nancy Cortez have CBS who has the original question said well then what he's allying McConnell you'll have to ask him Mitch the Foreign Service that is what propels people to join the CIA and do you know dangerous or Unsung work late at night that a shadow foreign policy which is supposedly better than what all these diplomats are doing. Can I jump on that point very quickly which is that Bill Taylor was and traditions and honor and character and duty that you feel to this shared set of beliefs that is what propels people into thirty year careers in at the State Department that American diplomats represent our interests and then you have this complete gutting of the State Department undermining of the idea of these diplomats working for the national interest from the New York Times magazine and Yale University Law School it is Emily Basilan hello emily hey sound like an announcer top diplomat and Ukraine and the reason Taylor was concerned that he knew that Marie Ivanovich had been pushed out in this unruly way by up for those officials because it sends a signal to the rest of his to the rest of the State Department and that's one of the things that Taylor was getting adding his opening statement which is that the norms the sense of duty and this That Taylor was writing about it in his opening statement that's what is at stake here there was another aspect of that openings is there they are willing to ignore rules ignore principles ignore things which they have held to be important demon I've been thinking about which is the Taylor describes his concern when Secretary of State Pompeo asked him to take over as the you're out this or at least I was last night is all the things down and up and up as down so you know we used to basically as a country agree that like Isis was bad does that Republicans are in the in the meetings that they stormed nevertheless he's presenting it to the public as if as if Republicans were not allowed as if the Clinton or her State Department was incredibly vital and now all of those things are lake up for grabs in the Republican Party and that another one of those where would not overturn an election and would that be Gerald Ford thing doing very good David very very good I win president it would be for it so anyway carry on to add onto Jonathan around skulason and they're burning down their own institution this said like I'm ready to impeach I mean of the Republican that's GonNa promote my fault by far by far but I'm saying even the person who has there is the just the the kind of civic outrage that should exist in our legislators it's shocking it's shocking that not even one of them and true anti corruption efforts in Ukraine and strengthening Ukraine against Russia if all of those values are still our policy and what we hold dear and Pumpkin Giuliani and his henchmen so he saint pump hill like basically I only want to do this job if it's clear that the United States support for Ukraine business technology and the big topics shaping the future from conversations with Elon Musk about Tesla's early struggles to Tim Cook's perspectives on government regulations. 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CEO Mark Zuckerberg are emerging as a kind of villain and punching bag for both Georgetown University in which he comes out strongly for the values of free speech and he says look people don't want their ability to see different points of view ads political ads for the upcoming elections and also just like speech in general and so Zuckerberg tried to address this head on with the big speech the right and the left and they're in a difficult position but of course whose fault is that so what we've seen in the last week is the WHO mediated by any kind of company and so we're putting all these political ads out there for you to judge for themselves and politicians are lying well you can the deviating from its current fact checking policies for political as treating them differently than it treats other content them accountable this is of course not a new position this is the idea that facebook is a platform not a publisher is thus not responsible for a lot of the content that it puts out there in the world the problem with this of course is that on a number of fronts facebook is very much policing content and it is actually book is kind of stuck with Zuckerberg's own libertarian ideology he really does want to believe that his company is making the world better and that it's Oh I think congresswoman Alexandria Cossio Cortez did an amazing job of kind of showing Zuckerberg at his invasive and and just sort of unsatisfying in terms of the policies he has about political ads on the right you also have facebook vary policies toward campaign speech in general and ads in particular is GonNa work I I think it's not gonNa work I think that facebook is going to be a force is it was shaming but for national elections in particular the presidential election it's really hard to see how facebook running ads is a good thing but he for organizing on the right and for passing on false mostly falls largely false information if you look at the we're not going to run any political ads if they don't WanNa do that writ large they could say that about national elections for local candidates or smaller race for ill not good in the upcoming elections but Zuckerberg just doesn't want to see that and there is a pretty easy fix here which is that they could just say you know what are that senators like Josh Holly off Missouri are making their bones by accusing facebook of being biased against conservatives and I also think that face as you can see the value in people being able to promote their views on social media and maybe they'll more likely to be held accountable for lying which used to be something people didn't do an ad but then the question is are the real serious problems of our of our information sharing much deeper and and more problems here's the question that if people have stopped Penn penalizing candidates for lying haven't we gotten to a place where facebook and no new neither facebook nor addict than anything that he can fix so what I think is being overlooked actually think the political ad issue is pretty minor as a libertarian with a liberal bent is that he has created an environment very very useful for the right and for people that he actually finds loathsome and I'm Ben Shapiro is always showing up in the top of the those lists and that the that actually the this idea that that facebook is anyone else can solve that problem facebook can't plug every hole in the in the the dam which again is an argument for not trying to do anything most shared articles on facebook on any given day nine of ten of them are conservative semi truth at best kinds of articles things for really the exact opposite is what's happened is that facebook has now become an facebook in the facebook ecosystem have become so effective be a problem so you can see why he doesn't want that to happen but I think again the politics are pushing him in a particular direction David's essentially is is somehow suppressing the speech on the right is just nonsense what's happening is that is because there's a kind of I don't know if the goal ability it's not nothing and and there's a deceptive con quality a huge amount of the political advertising on facebook and you also can't track it the way you could track TV ads and so that's on facebook's reach those stories that are being sent around are not really a lot of them are not fact checkable I mean right fine purchase fight you know route in and get shared and and I think what Mark Zuckerberg doesn't really want to acknowledge Mark Zuckerberg who I think probably thinks of himself using things that would be considered not fact checkable to create division descent and discord and so that's a problem which they are I'll be hanging out together is that he's that the company is is fundamentally ecosystem for the right now not for the left and that's a problem and then add to that there's a willingness to believe if the if facebook is just a more effective ecosystem for for people in the right but it is where the ideas of the right and the more dangerous ideas A. 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Characterizations and framing and elevations of certain issues that distort political reality perhaps but that don't have a specific fact that can be about critical thinking and and that if you were any of these companies facebook or twitter or any of the others that you're there's an opportunity to use that can be pinpointed and therefore to remove them what what strikes me about facebook and I mean they did they did remove version of what I was saying because I think that if you look at the top ten things and by the way if you're not David you can tell me but if you look at those top ten stories those would seem to me to be beyond will gradually grow he because he's been doing these dinners with conservative pundits he'll have Tucker Carlson and other folks of that vein over for dinner and have these at that he gave a speech to his employees that leaked in which he talked about the idea of an antitrust action against facebook in a potential is the way or underplayed they're all these attacks on facebook from the right this notion that facebook is somehow biased against conservative when Elizabeth Warren Administration as an extra central threat to the company now that's a good natural stands for him to take like yes if the government brought an antitrust enforcement action against facebook and provoking strong emotions in particular anger I mean we've seen this on youtube and we see it on facebook and instagram and the other social media platforms Russians with them he's going to end up in that world he's going to you I guarantee you within three years we'll see him dinner with jared Kushner and vodka trump and the this discussion their incentives are not public service. Yeah the admitting that basically that their model benefits from bilge would be is the way in which it's algorithms promote insightful content even if it's not completely false like you're saying social media in terms of the way in which the government is abdicating its role so our government does not want to tell people what they can or can't see on social media UH recent network of russian-backed accounts that are another one of the challenges out there because the russian-backed accounts are not just fake they're they're actually you can argue that what should be happening here is the FCC should be helping facebook or taking over from facebook in making some of these decisions controls and so that's another way in which there is a bigger responsibility here and you know you can also think about this to show how she pretends to drink wine we will talk about other ways to pretend to do things and you can see that nice concerts to political ads then change their algorithm in terms of other things that are presented I don't think it's I just don't think it's a huge issue what I think is being overlooked these social media platforms have been after since their inception and politicians are looking for the same attention and they know how to keep it and maintain it which is the thing creeds no incentive for working together the incentives are for demonizing the opponents so that you can gain control the institution again so they are flowing with and profit are causing these tribal reaction information you know one of the things that facebook is just refusing to really face up to or at least I haven't seen it publicly do that is other problems to solve which they've done some things to try to get at but what what strikes me is that lack of creativity towards improving these more basic ideas by riling you up and fundraisers who send you solicitation selling you the wolf is at the door do the same thing this House and Senate which flips all the time between parties there's the structure the inciteful you mean incite yes not not not yet yeah sorry I just want to clarify yes content that has the effect of inciting people shen that the government can't do anything about this because then you have the social media companies in that role and that is not like the really great place to locate into row in the other direction slate plus members you get bonus segments on this podcast and on other slate podcasts coming from the attention shattering that's been a part of all of these other parts they should the way they advocated for say and come up with new ways that would actually promote or at least try you may not solve it but at least try to break people out of these patterns the but our government does regulate the airwaves and television and so in a way I think the most to me persuasive or at least like a day in tribute to John's wonderful interview his first sixty minutes interview where he got Christine Lagarde Vox than infected David Leonhardt and Michelle Cottle The New York Times all arguing making the same point that perhaps the key think that's going to happen not not that it's something another administration could really take on right like we have to get away from the with Christine Lagarde on sixty minutes all of a sudden this week there was a spate of pundits making the same argument I think it began with Matt Iglesias Hey to accelerate the removal of president trump or to accelerate his unpopularity is mass protests and yet there are not mass protests so John Lenient thing that sucker burke and say look the government has put us in this awkward position of having to figure out how much police speech and we don't want to be in that position apps some of the middling turnout but but I think as a as an organizational tool for people who are opposed to the current administration for inclusive immigration policy they should turn loose their energies and passions and powers towards creating this new fantastic solution a swelling of people in the streets in the way we see in Hong Kong and Chile and other countries there have been mass street protests good first step and it's the same it's the same natural reaction that And and you know the hunt for attention has been what all that seemed to be having causing real change causing real uproar Well I think the I mean why are there not mass protests right now we began the trump presidency with probably the largest protests in American history there was also to use public demonstration not necessarily to improve the conditions of the impeachment inquiry but merely as a way to capture voters register voters and is that even people who are in the business of paying close attention and despite fatigue are getting fatigued by the kind of it seems like impeachment right now could take on that character in a way that it didn't have the same kind of momentum behind it last summer when organizers Oh after the stoneman Douglas shooting there was this marvellous set of of protests around gun safety but at the moment impeachment has not caused constant pace of things in in the modern world I think secondly in impeachment is probably more abstract than if it's as specific right of yours one there is probably a certain sense of fatigue and proof of this is that some of the news organizations that used to catalog and every one of Donald Trump's lies have stopped doing it an electoral play which is this may not caused the removal of president trump from office in impeachment conviction but it will definitely galvanize just been too many of them and it's also quite taxing because if you care about the opinion of other people you actually need to evaluate whether what's being said is a lie or merely being spun but the point is important signal and so yes it's possible that that would change the way some Republican senators in swing states in particular if if you're not a fan of the president's Yeah I mean I thought not Iglesias initial article was pretty persuasive one of the things that sold every night so an agreed upon set of facts for the public none of these conditions apply now and that makes mass protests a more -servative and liberals in the same way there was no federalist society and you also had three nightly news networks delivering essentially the same set of facts into American that whether it's the right to vote or or that even the migrants being separated at the border from their children or with women in and and thinking about impeachment if they felt real concentrated public pressure and then it has this knock on effect is you're saying about galvanizing people for the election I think that what we're going to see probably among Republicans a switch to a process defense for trump right as the case reassured him and obviously Taylor feels completely sold out but I also wonder if Pompeo is really regretting that he it was also a kind of exuberance to trump and his supporters and they had so much fun making fun of Hillary Two thousand ten same same with the tea party there was this were part of the tea party cheap political mechanisms toward impeachment and let map point now was at the time the parties were much. Less polarized judiciary wasn't split between otherwise participate in the electoral process the way the tea party did seems to me to be a probably a smart way to go from a political perspective is the these protests will serve this electoral organizing function the way that the women's march in twenty seventeen hugely which abortion rights there's a direct personal relationship with either the specific issue or somebody you know who cares a great deal about this specific issue but I don't so I think that explains Emily do you think the purpose of that is to actually build support for impeachment and removal from office or is the purpose more of a bank shot or more of it a button down then you're going to start to see Republicans say well you know the election it's only a year and change way we should just wait for that and so then the rally is that the women's march was itself sort of a one day event but it ended up having this tremendous knock on effect because it gal inspired a whole bunch of people who would then become candidates and this kind of tried to do some impeachment rally so it does seem like that kind of pressure point could be really meaningful right now and give an outlet for their energy it is at stake here is just like getting media attention some sense of urgency that this is something that people are really galvanized by and horrified by and for impeachment get stronger based on testimony like Bill Taylor's and if this case for a real bro Withholding military aid becomes complete as law is whichever side is having more fun and then election wins so if you look at a sign of people having fun tired groups that then helped organize the twenty eighteen election so do you think that the these protests are removal protests are they are fundamentally for electoral purposes for two thousand twenty I mean I think it's both the argument Matt was making is that Watergate was all about moving the kind of technical insider DC is if they happen would become an important touchstone for that circumstance as well as for impeachment one of the things that I fun if you if you look at twenty sixteen there there was so much delight in the trolling of Hillary Clinton there was so much I mean there is a nastiness to what trump was doing but please come back to when presidential elections pop up or even when when any national election comes up plots I'm GonNa give you guys plots as law like dot com slash gap as plus you can't see it actually because we're podcast but you can hear us talking about it if you go to play dot com slash gabfest plus become a member today but you could see John's seven we have a tea Party Tea Party movement and twenty two thousand and eight with Obama on the rallies around Obama similarly ninety two with Clinton there was this again this joyfulness in what Clinton was doing that got people excited nineteen eighty with Reagan whenever I look at where the kind of Glee is case this Spring The New York Times calls in the dark a virtuosic feet of reporting you can catch up on in the dark now on apple podcasts or wherever you choose to listen we just wrapping this up there there were these efforts at impeachment rallies earlier they did not really work how how is it you think if they're going to be impeachment indignant about it which they clearly are so I feel like until the Ukraine scandal impeachment was divisive unpopular and not clear like they're just rallies today that there will be organizing principle for them what is it that actually will get people to show up in the streets around this as opposed to just being wasn't a clear case for it and none of those things are true anymore when you look at the polls when you look at the facts it's just all much more galvanizing so to me the everything that happened regarding impeachment discussions before like the end of September I think is just in a different box than what's happening allison it also so so there's plenty plenty of in two thousand two thousand eighteen in two thousand ten there's tons of malice but it is where is the where is the the kind of joy and chain may change the dynamics and that but mostly it's going to get people fired up and and and loose and they're gonNA have funny signs and great memes that once again which is a strong disagree based on the experience of both the gun rallies and the women's March interact and the way that people dressed it was filled with I mean same thing with the tea party the tea party was was at heart was a very dark movement and a lot of ways we're going to spill over into the twenty twenty election and that will help Democrats a lot that's plots of law but the problem is that the people who are ironic and stuff like that since then this is about corruption it's like pretty simple and a lot of people don't like corruption or at least like that's been the American way in the past you're the corollary to the plots law is Nixon's law which is whenever there's an organization aligned against acts that on X. whenever but there's Ferber many the pleasure of company and the and if you looked at what the signs were in the wit and the the kind of the the way in which people music precondition for the joy that you're describing tend to maybe not be get out there in March types and that there's probably a twitter says there's a there's a social media sapping that takes place where people feel like they can kind of say their witty thing on twitter and move on can I stop you there likes to help you get your best rest one night at a time casper products are cleverly designed to mimic human curves providing supportive comfort for all kinds of bodies he's having he's having glee meanwhile somebody listening to the podcast has thrown their head set across the room for the first time this is is to reactions that one people who are ironic and and sort of looking at things with sideways Glint of a kind that seems RPM art people are Iran you were saying sorry John we're 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highschools debate the impeachment inquiry And it's about a and sometimes these kinds of Gotcha questions like you could understand that we have a judiciary a congress and the president in not know that we call those things it's Times piece about a challenged high school and the debate they had about impeachment in history class in which they had to actually behave miss that's kind of technical question like I mean I have to I marinate in this all the time but I and I I know the answer just reassure everyone was formed with a with a system of shared powers and that it was meant to be slow and inefficient so that the there would be minority rights and the majority wouldn't And if you're asked they might say that it was done by Annenberg CNN Berg Civics Knowledge Survey we've talked about this before and whether and also then wouldn't run roughshod and also that a minority wouldn't be in control and then whether that's under assault right now and so forth and so on so Anyway I would like people to understand what they have the power to change their vote like how are interlocking mechanism of separation of powers works they will have added the pollster asks or maybe even the way a perfectly divine design poll at ask but what if you understood the content is it more important another three branches or understand that the government will it's called I don't care about that just like some sense of like the president picks judges the Senate confirms them like that's how the third branch gets construct right just like some ideas excessive sexual behavior the war time of life kicked in the head by a horse over the day one that was posted this week was reasons for admission and these are the list of reasons for admission to a lunatic asylum in the eighteen hundreds and the tweet says that reads it's a very enjoyable twitter account to follow and So I encourage everyone to do so Labat's what's your chatter what leads to what in the system the more fun part of my chatter is a twitter handle that I follow called history lovers club and like a list of potential metal band names any didn't include things like immoral life ill treatment by husband egotism inches of government right yep it depends on how the questions frame that's quite a fair point what do you think the wrong answers that people give because I bet people say the military's of Renton government we should come back to it again probably some point but is so what's the point like is this just who cares as emily I think is implicit in what you're saying which is okay maybe you can't name them in the way I have a kind of Trolling David Plots Chatter today is my outrage of the week is about a bill that the resort and it has things on it like eight hundred seventy five I don't know if these are pounds or dollars for additional tea and coffee due to axeing mental powers political excitement I want to know the cases of people who were admitted for these reasons anyway but I the the bigger point is to this time but the notion that you know we are having foreign governments pay into president trump's private properties for services that yeah so the so it's a case involving president trump's tax returns and he's fighting subpoena around this on he demands I just it just makes me furious I even knew it was nothing can be done and his lawyer William Convoy said that is correct nothing can be done it is shocking lakeside trip the president trump made to Ireland and this bill which comes to over a hundred thousand dollars is to the Irish police from trump's golf got so many murders to solve they can't be implemented additional t outrageous the amazing arguments that were made by president trump's personal lawyers this week in front of God have talked about that the grounds that he as president has absolute immunity from criminal indictment investigation over his taxes and his attorney than said in response trump golf links in hotel in Ireland sent the Irish police cover I'm I'm GonNa keep 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He said the problem here is hate the problem is there is a growing place in this country for hate speech, and hate speech, always leads and turns into hate actions. That's what we're seeing over and over again. That's what we all need to reflect on an address thanks for tuning in. We'll see you back here. This time next week. A gunman storms Pittsburg temple killing Jewish congregants gathered for the Savon, this is the most terrific crime scene. I've seen in twenty two years with federal investigation a horrific attack motivated by bigotry and anti-semitism the mayor of Pittsburgh. We'll be here terror by mail an accused bomber charged with terrorizing people whom the president has criticized President Trump claims the media unfair coverage deep hostility and negative attacks. Should he turn down his harsh rhetoric? We'll talk to one of the bombers targets democratic donor. Tom Steiner and the president's former communications director, Anthony Scaramucci consumed by violence, a week of horrible pate fueled tents as the country approaches a critical election can the nation's political leaders help us heal. Hello. I'm Jake tapper in Washington where the state of our union is utterly devastated. Eleven innocent people were brutally murdered Saturday. When an anti-semitic gunman opened fire inside, a Pittsburgh synagogue, turning a peaceful place of worship and hope into a crime scene of death and destruction. The gunman armed with a semi automatic assault weapon. And at least three handguns stormed the sanctuary shouting antisemitic slurs to police officers in two swat officers were wounded in the confrontation one FBI official called it, quote, the most horrific crime scene he had ever seen today. The alleged gunman is in custody and facing twenty nine federal charges, including hate crimes on Saturday. President Trump denouncing anti-semitism and called for the death penalty. This evil anti semitic attack is an assault on all of us. It's an assault on humanity. It will require all of us working together to extract the hateful poison of anti-semitism from our world the brutal slaughter in Pittsburgh ends. What has been a hate filled week in America, a male bomber terrorized former presidents and others whom President Trump has singled out for criticism, including CNN and a shooter targeted and murdered to African Americans in Kentucky after trying and failing to get into a predominantly black church. All of this in today's before what has been described as likely the deadliest attack on Jews in the history of the United States. Joining me now is the mayor of Pittsburgh Bill Peduto, mayor doodo, thanks so much for joining us. And I'm so sorry that it's under these circumstances that we're talking. Thank you. We saw so many of your city's residents coming together for that very moving vigil last night. I know you personally knew some of the victims. How is Pittsburgh copen? Our hearts broken. We are a small city what affects one community affects all of us. And right now, I would say that there's a shock that is over the city. But you know, Pittsburgh's a strong city. We are a people that have a strong resilience, and we will get through this. I know the investigation into the shooter's moving forward his motive seems obvious from his social media posts. But what if you learned from law enforcement about why you know, as they try to figure out why this happened. Well, the investigation is obviously continuing right now the social media posts were discovered early while the situation was still ongoing. It seems that the motive is very clear that he had sought out this one synagogue because of activities that they had done working with refugees and immigrants and that his message of hey was against our Jewish community. We've learned a lot from the shooter's social media posts, which are just vile, anti semitism and anti immigrant sentiment worth authorities aware of any of these posts prior to this horror. And and do you think that authorities should have been aware of them or made aware of them by people at the social media companies? Absolutely not. There was no information on this actor there was nothing to create a red flag or an alert to something that would be any type of illegal activity. Let alone something this horrific. President Trump spoke out and condemned anti-semitism after the attack he says he's heading to Pittsburgh were you satisfied with the president's response to this massacre. Well, right now, our concern is really with the victims families and with those that had been injured, including our own police officers, the president's assistance in having federal officials coming to Pittsburgh in having F B I officials from around the country coming here is really what we've been concentrating on. In addition to the eleven killed, obviously several individuals were very seriously wounded, including police officers. How are they doing? Was able to visit with one of the officers yesterday. I'll be visiting with two of the other officers this morning with the officer that I visited his spirits were high. He was one of the two swat officers who were wounded in the gunfire. He actually had his artery severed in could've been much much worse. If it weren't for his partner in placing attorney kit on him at that moment, a rightful in three handguns recovered from the scene of the shooting. Do we know anything about these these firearms where they purchased legally? Is there anything in this in the shooter's background that should have prevented him from being able to purchase them? Yeah. Right now, there's a combined effort on law enforcement at local state and federal level part of that investigation is on the firearms that the individual owned, there's no new information at this time, however over whether the firearms were obtained legally or illegally we often hear after mass shootings. You never think it could happen here. You never think it would happen. You know, in our neighborhoods until it does what message do you have for the rest of America the rest of the world watching right now when we don't know where something like this could happen again. Let me just explain it to you this way. I this was my old city council district. I represented this area and worked in the the community for nineteen years before I was the mayor I live five blocks from where I'm standing right now, three blocks from here is we're Fred Rogers live. This is literally mister Rogers neighborhood. And when you think about the hate that is out there. And you think about the ability for irrational behavior to be empowered to do something like this. We really have to think about whether or not what we need are more guns to allow irrational behavior to continue or whether we need rational laws to make sure that it ends. Now, Pittsburgh is a very strong city. We are strong people, and we are resilient we've gone through a lot of things in the past. And we'll get through this. But Mark my words this will be a new Mark in a. Discussion that needs to happen in this country with people that are pragmatic in finding solutions to problems. Mayor Bill Peduto. Thank you so much again, our deepest condolences to you. And to the city of Pittsburgh. Thank you, Jake. Joining me now is congressman Adam Schiff. He's the ranking member of the house intelligence committee has been outspoken about rising anti semitism around the world. He's a democrat from California. Congressman thanks for joining us. So you're the top democrat on the house Intel have you been briefed on this attack on the tree of life synagogue. And is there any information you can give us on motive beyond the obvious semitic hatred that this man was filled with as evidenced by his social media posts have received preliminary briefings and very much in line with what we heard of the conference that the full belief is that this is the lone shooter. They're obviously going to chase everything down to make sure there's no continuing threat to anyone in the community or in the country. And it certainly appears that anti semitism was the dominant motivation. As is often the case social media provides the best window, but apparently he was also shouting anti semitic slurs during the attack. So his motive seems pretty clear. The president condemned the shooting and anti-semitism in very stark terms at an event in Indianapolis yesterday, and on Twitter are you satisfied without President Trump has responded to this tragedy. I'm not satisfied in a couple of specs first of all I don't think you blame the synagogue for not having an armed guard there. That's not the answer. We're gonna have armed guards in every church every synagogue every movie theater every concert venue. We can't have have armed guards everywhere. That's not the answer. But more than that what's fundamentally unsatisfying about what the president has to say. Is you cannot preach division three hundred sixty five days a year. You can't stoke people's animus towards the. Other. You can't vilify people coming to the country as murderers, rapists, and then on the day tragedy strikes. Sounded differ note, it just rings hollow. And that to me is the problem. It's not what he said yesterday. It's what he says every other day. It's I want to get to that in a second. But let me just drill down for one second on the armed guards part of this. Because. I heard from a friend of mine Saturday who was at a bar mitzvah and texted me in the middle of a bar mitzvah in Los Angeles, your hometown saying that LAPD came in and hit the synagogue, I believe has armed guards regularly. Anyway. This is not to blame the victims. But are we not in a world now where synagogues mosques other places need to have armed guards. Well, you know, it certainly feels like that today. But can that really be the answer is every house of worship now going to have to be armed. And of course, it's not just our houses of worship, you saw this man after going into a church unsuccessfully trying to get into a church shoot to African Americans the store because he couldn't get into the church. Are we going to have arm security at every store every concert every other venue? It just can't be done. That's not the answer. The answer is a two to spread more firepower round. We've got plenty of firepower. I think part of the answer certainly is responsible gun safety legislation. But part of it is also changing the climate that we're all living in we all have a major role to play in that. But you know, the the person with the biggest bully pulpit right now is the present. United States for better or worse than it's mostly for worse. And the way that he continues to divide us the way that really his whole political strategy is about division creates a toxic climate climate that is just sulphurous, and and that has got to change and he's not going to change. It's part of his constitution. We're going to have to change it all of us. We're going to have to take on this project without his help. And he just doesn't fund living on fundamentally understand that the job of commander in chief is to make us a more perfect union. So we're going to have to take that on. And I think we will. I was come back at times like this to something. Bill Clinton once said there's nothing wrong in America that can't be cured by what's right in America defenders of the president point out, a he's a strong supporter of Israel be. He had Yvonne converted to marry Jared, and he has three Jewish grandchildren and see they point out that this shooter this deranged, anti Semite in Pittsburgh. Had several social media post in which he blamed President Trump for being too cozy with Jews controlled by kikes as he put it apologies for the language. But it's important people know what this guy said out. Do you see this incident in that light? Well, first of all having Jewish children, grandchildren or support for the government of Israel isn't a licensed to traffic with people who are anti semitic. It just give you carte blanche. And more than that once you once you put this bile into the bloodstream, you can't control it. Yes. This this shooter thought Trump didn't go far enough to keep Jews out of the country to stop juice from infiltrating the invaders, but he also believed this shooter also apparently believed that Jews were funding this caravan. And so when the president and and supporters of his people around him. Jack, George Soros and say Soros's funding this caravan. They are trafficking in a well known and historic antisemitic. Trope you think that those who attacked Soros are being antisemitic? I do I do, you know, not all of them. But there's a reason why he's being singled out. He's not the he's a major donor. The Democratic Party is not the biggest owner is not the only donor it. He's not being singled out because of his height or his I color he's being singled out because he's a simple and for those who are in the the the world of white nationalism. He's a profound symbol of of the the Jewish conspiracy. The well-funded Jewish cabal of bankers and others that are controlling the country that are polluting the purity of the the American bloodstream, congressman, Adam Schiff. Thanks so much for being here in such a horrible day. We appreciate it. It could have been so much worse. A suspect arrested for mailing at least fourteen bombs one of his targets. Tom. Steinmeier will be here next. President Trump condemns hate and anti-semitism after a week of domestic terrorism. How long will the president's sustain that message of unity from supporter? Anthony Scaramucci is also here stay with us. You know, what's not smart job sites that overwhelm you with tons of the wrong resumes. But you know, what is smart ZipRecruiter dot com slash as so t you unlike other job sites, ZipRecruiter doesn't wait for candidates to find you. Zip Recruiter finds them for you. It's powerful matching. 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I'm Jake tapper the horrific tragedy in Pittsburgh comes as a suspected bomber is in custody after million at least fourteen bombs to prominent Democrats and the media authorities believe Caesar CEO constructed those bombs in the back of his van, which is plastered with pictures of President Trump and his political opponents with targets over their faces a fist doomed with a carnage collage as it were one of those bombs was addressed to billionaire democratic donor. Tom Steiner who joins me now, Tom thanks for being here. And we're really glad you're okay. What I want to talk about the bomb in a second. But first, the President Trump and response to this horrific shooting at this Pittsburgh synagogue issued a sweeping condemnation of violence and anti semitism. Are you satisfied with how he's responded to this tragedy? Well, I think his response to the tragedy is was appropriate. But there's something much bigger than that going on here, which is the atmosphere that he's created. And at the Republican party is created in terms of political violence, and I think if you look across the political scene what you see is routine. Systematic lawlessness an attempt to break small d democratic norms in pursuit of victory at all costs. We see it in voter suppression. We see it in extreme gerrymandering. We see it in the violent political rhetoric. Of course that people have been alluding to all morning, but more than that, we see it in a president who doesn't who is been breaking the law, systematically as a candidate as a business person. And is the president so Republican would argue you say that Tom, but there was a capital. There was a shooting of Republican members of. Congress last year by a it seemed to Bernie Sanders supporter, what appear to be toxic substances or or hoax toxic substances have been sent to Donald Trump junior and his family Senator Susan Collins that it's not just Republican lawlessness here. What would your response to that? I would say there has been bad behavior on both sides. But you can't find prominent Democrats elected officials who refused to condemn it. You don't find prominent Democrats who are leading chance with violent overtones like locker up CNN sucks all the kinds of attempts to play to people's strongest emotions. And I think that everybody on the democratic side would look at that shooter of congressman Scalise. And absolutely condemn his action him and anyone associated with him. So I think that that actually is very much of a false equivalence not that there's perfection on one side. An absolute horror another. But we're seeing something that is not at all quivalent where this example of lawlessness, more broadly. I know you're bringing it back specifically to actual violence against public figures. But I'm talking about a much broader systematic attempt to disrespect the norms of democracy to actually disrespect the laws of the United States and an attack on the rule of law, and that creates an atmosphere where anything can bubble up and anything is bubbling up. Let me ask you because house majority leader Kevin McCarthy tweeted something about you. And then he deleted it. I want to ask you about it on Tuesday. He tweeted we cannot allow Soros Steinmeyer and Bloomberg to buy this election. Get out and vote Republican November six make America. Great again, hashtag. Now, a spokesperson for McCarthy says that McCarthy condemns this week's violence, and the tweet was deleted before the attack on the Pittsburgh synagogue. I did notice that George Soros is Jewish. Michael Bloomberg is Jewish. You're the third. Your dad is Jewish. You're jewish. What do you think? That's a coincidence. What do you make of that? Look, I have no idea. What congressman McCarthy was in his mind. I can say that his action. I think that the attempt to try and figure out what's in people's mind. Is a mistake. I think all you can really do a see what they say. And that was you know, in terms of interpreting what he said that seems to me like a straight up and semitic move. I think that that is a classic attempt to separate Americans. I think that absolutely falls into the category of what I'm describing as political violence. And I believe that what we are looking for in America is something completely different from that. And when people say, you know, there's loud language on both sides. I think that is absolutely false Jake. Because what we're seeing is terrible behavior consistent systematic political violence from Republicans, and when people stand up to it, then they described as strong language on both sides. I would argue that there's a complete difference between supporting. Justice creating injustice and opposing injustice, and that's actually what we're seeing. Let's talk about the bomb. That was mailed to you your tweet after the attempted bombing seemed to link the bombing what you're talking about right now, this lawlessness, you wrote we're thankful that everyone. We work with is safe. We're seeing a systematic attack on our democracy that extends much further than just one isolated terrace in Florida. That's why we are running an impeachment petition to end the culture of lawlessness in our country. It sounds like you are blaming President Trump to a degree for the bomb. That was sent to you is that is that fair. There's obviously no direct link Jake, but I'm absolutely associating and blaming him for creating the atmosphere that exists. We've the reason that we're I've started and have been running an impeachment petition drive is. Because in my opinion, he is corrupt and break lawless and dangerous and that the result of that is to change America to attack the rule of law, and it's important to. To step up and oppose that kind of behavior and that kind of atmosphere directly now, President Trump, no doubt, where he here would say you've accused President Trump of treason, you've said he committed a traitor as active war, you suggested the quote nuclear war might turn public opinion against the president though you did take that remark back. What would you say to somebody who says you are creating some of this environment as well? I would say exactly what I sent you a couple of minutes ago, Jake when someone does something wrong, particularly the president of the United States is absolutely incumbent on people to openly oppose them and us constitutional means to do that. And so for instance, when the president looks at a UN report that promises unimaginable suffering to the American people and scoffs at it that seems to me to be the most abject dereliction of duty that in the history of the of the country for president to willingly put. Americans in harm's way and scoff at that possibility or probability that scholars are saying is going to happen is something where he's absolutely given up his duty as commander-in-chief, and I think it is really important if we're going to have a more positive twenty-first-century as an American century that we not only oppose what's wrong, but we stand up for what's right? Well, let me ask you are one of the leaders nationally for impeachment. You've been running ads now for a long time on TV traveling the country. I don't hear democratic leaders in congress talking about impeachment. In fact, the opposite. If Democrats take the house and do not alternately begin impeachment proceedings against President Trump. What will you do you will you work against Democrats? Well, let's take a step back. If I could check if you actually look at what Americans think, and what democ people who are registered as Democrats think almost eighty percent of Democrats registered Democrats want this. Impeach and remove from office. If you ask Americans, broadly, Democrats, Republicans independence more people are in favor of that than aren't. So it's not as if I'm representing some small part of the United States. I'm representing most Americans. So in fact, what we have is a movement that is asking for a different America, which is one that recognizes the rule of law gets rid of corruption and treats every American equitably and fairly. And so if I hear from elected officials that they don't like that I asked two questions are we telling the truth? Are we standing up for the American people in the constitution? And if they then say, it's not politically expedient for us. Now, I asked the same questions, and if we're telling the truth and standing up for the American people, we're going to keep going because when I early on your show, I heard someone saying that if President Trump really came down against bigotry, he could go through the fifty percent approval level. Let me make a point standing up. Bigotry is not something you do to go through the fifty percent approval level. You do it because it's the right thing to do. And that's why we're acting con Tom Steiner. Thank you so much pre. She ate your time. And we're so glad you're okay. Jake. Thank you for having me, one of the most important aspects of this week has been President Trump and his response to all of the horrors with questions about what kind of environment. The president is fostering in the nation. Unfortunately, the White House has all but abandoned the daily White House briefing in the White House declined to provide us with guest today. So we turn to someone who knows President Trump. Well, who served at the White House, and is one of his most ardent political supporters of former White House medications director, Anthony Scaramucci, he's out with a new book about President Trump called Trump, the blue-collar president Anthony, it's good to see you as always this has been a terrible week in the United States with these attacks on Jewish Americans. Black Americans the bombs that were sent to prominent Democrats. What is your take? Because I'm sure you hear it all the time. What do you hear? What's your take? When when people say, President Trump has contributed to this polarized in hating hateful atmosphere. Not they've he's responsible for any of the individual actions. But that he has contributed to to really ugly period in this in this country. Well, listen, I think there's problems on both sides. But I've also been very clear on this. I've said if the president and members of his staff, and I'll continue to say there's no need to have a a war with the media. As far as I'm concerned, you can have an adversarial relationship, but we should be de escalating this stuff. The president's got a great agenda of the economic situation's going very well. But you can see what happens when you're controlling the bully pulpit, and there's this level of bellicosity to the rhetoric and again know, the White House was they will listen, it's on both sides and the president's just hitting back, and I understand that. And I think a lot of those tactics helped him win the presidency, but he's now the leader of the free world, and he is the number one principal responsible person in government for all people Jagan, just as you know, he's the only person the president's the only person that we all vote for. So for me, I would love to see the stuff. Dial back on both sides. But good leadership requires that somebody go I and I'd like it to be him. I think he's a very good person as you know, I have been a very strong supporter of his on not saying that people are perfect. He certainly not I especially am not. But I do think we could be doing better. And I would like to see that happen frankly, yesterday, President Trump very clearly very unequivocally. Condemned anti-semitism talked about this horrific attack in Pittsburgh. But his critics point out that he has talked about, quote, very fine people marching alongside anti-semites in Charlottesville for days after I'd asked him to disavow white nationalist, David do he declined. Ultimately, he did do it not long ago he met with Ted Nugent to is antisemitic and posted antisemitic content on Facebook in the Oval Office. And the president said yesterday that you wouldn't think. Antisemitic attacks are possible today. But there's a lot of anti-semitism out there. There's a lot of bigotry of all kinds out there. And there has been a tolerance at the very least of it by the president and people in the White House. Well, listen, you know, the president the he has three orthodox Jewish grandchildren. You know, when I was in the White House, there's at least three or four offices that have MRs on them. I've traveled to Israel four or five times since I left the White House. It's not clear to me that people in Israel think that the president is anti semitic in anything big is very pro Israel, and has been incredibly supportive and one of the symbolic things that he did was move the embassy. So I think there's a lot of substance in terms of the policy. That's clearly not anti-semitic if anything it's very pro, Israel, and pro semitic if you will. But if you're making the point that there's some rhetoric, and there's some equivocation on the rhetoric certainly we can go all the way back to Charlottesville. Although I think that was a mala prov frankly, but I think in general we gotta tone it down. And you know, again, I don't want to repeat myself. But I think it's worth repeating. He's the president United States. He controls the news cycle and the bully pulpit, and he could do it. And if he does it I think he goes through fifty percent on his approval ratings. I think this sort of stuff Jake is a head wind on the president. It's probably a. Five to seven point headwind on the president in terms of where he could be in terms of the polls based on what's going on in the economy, and based on how people feel about the country right now, despite this sort of stuff up, you know, my heart goes out to those people. It's it's an unbelievable tragedy, and we talk about the crime scene, and you think about each individual person. I mean, you know, it's just if we had to figure it out we have to figure out a way to make this stop. I want to ask you about the president's response to the to the bombs that were mailed, thankfully, none of them. Went off the FBI director said they were not hoax devices the president. Has attacked the media has not said anything. About CNN. Even though we were mailed two of the devices. He hasn't called President Obama. He hasn't called former secretary of state or President Clinton. He hasn't called any of the people who received these devices. What's going on? Well, listen, I can't I can't tell you what's going on because I'm not inside the president's brain. And I'm certainly no longer inside the White House. But I think what is going on is that there's there's a war declaration. And so when he reads a statement like the one that came from Jeff Zucker he gets upset. He'll fire off a statement. Jeff's statement, I thought was fine. And I mean, it wasn't derogatory anything like that. He's just pointing out that the the heat is too hot inside the system. But the president probably took that as another salvo in the the war that's going on between the White House and the media. And so for me again, nobody's asking me inside the White House. But if they did I would say, listen, we have this huge opportunity. We're doing so well on so many different fronts economically over doing so well on national security situation. Very good progress happening on trade will likely get a trade deal done with China. Come on guys, we could. Better than this cosmetically and just go back to Ronald Reagan with Mike Deaver diff- Reagan and set the new cycle in a way, that's way, more positive and you'll see better results just to say just to people who don't know Jeff Zucker, the president of CNN put out a statement, saying not blaming President Trump for the bombs, but saying that President Trump and the White House press secretary don't understand that their words matter this came in the context of CNN had been sent a bomb. Sarah Sanders, put out a statement expressing concern for all those that received the packages, but did not mention CNN in that initial statement. And then the Trump campaign sent out an Email to supporters that attacked CNN. It was within this context to the Jeff Zucker said the president needs to understand that his words have meaning Anthony Scaramucci, we thank you for your time. I think I just think Jeff statement was totally fine. Just because of the war declaration. That's why the shots are going both ways. Jake. That's that was my point. Okay. Well, I haven't declared war on anybody. And certainly when Don jR, and his family. And were sent a suspicious looking powder. I publicly and privately expressed concern to down junior because that's what human beings. Do. Let's get it going in that direction. That would be my message to people. And I think it's gonna be with you. Good good luck with your book. And thank you so much for your time. So let let's talk about this all with our panel and a Jonathan Weisman. Let me start with you just because you have become something of an expert on anti-semitism in the last couple years, and you've written a book about it. What's your take on on the ugly environment of that we've seen revealed in the last week in Anthony Scaramucci, just called the cosmic who talked about cosmetics? How President Trump could burst through fifty percent of he could just deal with the cosmetics of this. It's not cosmetic. If you if boards do matter, and if you full meant hate, and if you actually feel your that, the anti semitic or the bigoted followers feel that you're on their side. You are not just doing something cosmetic, you are actually doing something very real. I think what is happening right now is a product of the last three years are Lor. But is now bursting forward I've been warning about this for months and now we're seeing it David your from Pittsburgh. First of all, did you know anybody that was hurt now? But you know, in Pittsburgh, I was talking about this. And he is from Cleveland and Pittsburgh. It's not like Philly, Jake big city. Pittsburgh's a very small city and heart goes out to lots of those folks there obviously city is as rallying around, but it's it's incredible tragedy. It should never have occurred to kind of push back on Jonathan said echo. Anthony said this president has. What you said you may feel Jonathan and you've got different experience than I do as a Catholic guy. But this president took an incredible grief for standing with the people of Israel globally was condemned for standing with the people Israel, you know, I'm Jonathan you can't shake your head. I mean, he took I will. Took the over whether the president stands with a government in Jerusalem. Jerusalem, the Jewish people in the United States is. You think he's not standing for the people of Israel by moving. But no one's talking about it. But don't you all the Jewish the okay, the diaspora writ large? You don't think it matters. You don't think it matters that he has grandchildren who are Jewish or that his cabinet is half Jewish or is it was Anthony points up. But soon after okay, we have Mnuchin you had Cohen you've got other folks there got missoula's in the White House. This is a guy who you could call them a lot of things, but anti Semite isn't nobody's calling them. And the crazy guy who did this was rallying against Trump for being controlled by the jets social media post. Let's let's bring in a medic something that Donald Trump could do he could start hauling in the executives for these social media companies loud, this speech to thrive on their platforms. Yeah. That could be for people who don't know gab is where this guy posted this shooter in Pittsburgh, posted a lot of social media posts gab proclaims itself to be one hundred percent, free speech a platform. Unlike Twitter where you can say and do things that you can't do on Twitter, and that has meant in practicality that it is a place where a lot of praised nationalists. I just want to explain. That forms that tolerate hate speech. You get hate crimes. Do you think that that that environment fosters something actually acting? Absolutely. What do you think? I think that there is virtually no way to suppress the internet, you know, after Charlottesville episodes Bill, a number of organizations stood up and said they were going to root out the daily Stormer the Neo Nazi website. And then for a time the Neo Nazi website that door disappeared. It went into the dark web. And then it reappeared under daily Stormer dot name. Basically, we have to win the argument in the public sphere because we cannot. Lina? But before before I do, Nina, I just want to the last post of this shooter was a against a Jewish refugee agency that actually if you go on Twitter, you'll find out they helped CBS anchor beyond a goal agreed. And her family immigrated Giulio Yossi from G Q the writer, Gary Steinberg, like this is an organization that helps immigrants come into the country and settle and become successful in those three accounts. Anyway, he wrote his final social media post highest. That's the name of the group likes to bring invaders in the kill our people. I can't sit by and watch people get slaughtered. Screw you optics. I'm going in that was his last gab post. Yeah. Mean words create world. I mean, I agree with John. We cannot, you know, there used to be a saying sticks and stones may break my bones. But we're or names will never hurt me. No words create worlds and not that the president is responsible for any individuals. Reaction or actions, but he is responsible for the type of climate. He has created since he started running for president to this very point. And when scare Mucci said, you know, the president is not perfect. Well, you know what? None of us are perfect. We're not looking for perfection, but we are looking for decency. And that is what this president fails to exhibit tom-tom, again, he'll say one thing when his written for him, all nice and neat by staff. But then when he gets into these rallies, his true nature comes out. So he does have to take some responsibility for the type of racist bio climate that we find ourselves in which Jake is not new this is and you hear me say this all the time this is in the DNA of America. So I'm surprised that people are surprised what is happening is that what is in our route as a country is bubbling up now. And that's what people are surprised every generation we have to be fighting to a radically, racism and bigotry, so Jake not to address a man, I want to go back to it. Amanda said, right? I approached in airports and. Other places that Trump supporters have voiced the president and most people come up to me and say, I don't agree with the president. But you do a fair job defending let me tell you X Y Z Y don't very few people come up to me. None to date have come up to me and yelled and spit vitriol. Like, I get in Twitter. Right. You're my point is when you're faceless and you're anonymous, and you're sitting in your home and some remote place in America. It's very easy to spit hatred and the internet, but it's the internet. But my point is that vitriol, I'm signing that vitriol builds the punt vitriol and allows people to think well, okay, for me to do that this is kind of like the broken window theory of policing because we don't push back on the small broken windows that occur in the internet allows bigger crimes to occur like this. If we don't push back, and I know Hugh Hewitt got a ton of grief for this by saying if you're pounding on Mitch McConnell's table in a restaurant, you going to say no to that. Because it allow it gets grows and grows, and it allows people to be more and more hateful. You've got gotta push back at every we forget, it was only five days ago that Trump said, I am a nationalist. And he can pretend he doesn't know that there is a national conversation about white nationalism. He's playing let's fire. The president spent the whole day trying to clean it up. So so Jonathan statement. I know I know something that happened during the campaign that you thought was really interesting somebody who something but something about a scholar of anti-semitism and dog whistles and the rest had happened right here on CNN when President Trump talked to wolf Blitzer now this is after Giuliani who I mentioned just a second ago had written a profile of Melania Trump, and it wasn't a nasty profile. It wasn't a particularly friendly profile. There was just a profile journalistic profile after which is Julius Jewish and she was targeted with a whole bunch of vary. Nasty antisemitic imagery about putting her and others and the like wolf Blitzer asked on then candidate Donald Trump about this. Take a listen. Anti-somaliland about that. I don't know anything about your hands of mine. Supposed- fans of yours a posting these. You'll have to talk to them to these fans is I have a message to the fans. Why do you think that's important? I think that's important because time and time again when the president has been given an opportunity to stand up forthrightly and condemn the hatred around him. He has shown diffidence reluctance or that kind of thing that it's not my fault. You know at the same time Malania Trump was confronted about. Julia Fay's profile, and the absolute anti semitic hate that rain down on. Julia. And her response was Julia provoked, it that is not standing up for the things that we like to believe America is about which is pluralism democracy love, thy neighbor, and he has gotten the chance so many times in so many times he is just let it Salat by. And the fact that he has, you know, Jewish folks in his family again scare Mucci brought up that's just like saying married to a black person. So that makes me less of a racism. I write some of my best friends are Jewish or Hispanic or. Digits. You know, what is in this man man's heart? I e the president comes out time and time again when he doesn't have a script in front of him. And that is what we are dealing with. We are in a moment of transcendence in this country and either we can continue to work to create a more perfect union, which we have to do every generation or weekend progress, and I see regret, I just I don't I don't believe it. I don't believe the president lows is Jewish grandchildren. Okay. I'll say that. No one is that I didn't say this. How about I? Okay. I don't believe the Prentice. Okay. Then I'm not trying to characterize that. Okay. I don't believe the president lows jewish-americans more or less John or I don't believe the president supports anti-semites anti-semite. What are you actually accusing the president of because I specifically addressed is not over. What is in in President Trump's mine? We're not calling them racist. We're not calling him an anti Semite. We don't know. But I am saying is the president has shown a reluctant time and time again to shun his supporters and his supporters as Andrew Gillam said, I'm not calling you a racist. I'm just saying the racist think you're a racist. Right. This is a case where they Semites believe that he is on their side. And he hasn't pushed back hard enough to say. So what do you? He said yesterday Duke when he's asked he's toss rod words like national nationalism. When we know what his supporters no dark when president. And if he. To continue president miss an opportunity wolf right there to back in the day to say that it Asian cracked it. The president should stand up. Fortunately, like he did yesterday and condemn this and condemn the actions. You know that the last that last advertisement of President Trump's campaign for president talked about global special interest as the Jewish faces of Janet Yellen. George Soros, and I think we went by went by. I mean, that's not a dog whistle. That's a blue Zell as somebody. Let me do we do we control room? Do you have that element running because we we talked about this? Okay. So this this was the last TV ad the President Trump and his campaign ran right before the election and his Jonathan Weissman accurately points out it uses the imagery of three individuals who are predominantly Jewish Janet Yellen and the fed chair Boyd Bank, blankfein from Goldman Sachs, and George Soros, who's a billionaire, financier and funds a lot of liberal causes. Let's just take a little look at that. Those who control the levers of power washing and for the global special. Power structure that is responsible for the economic decisions that have robbed are working strip country of its wealth and put that money into the pockets of a handful of large corporations and political. Sends a shivers down my spine it apps, and you know, what we can dismiss it. But I'm not drawing down. I'm not I'm not gonna dismiss it. I'll say this. Let me try to explain it. Perhaps. Right. So Goldman Sachs. There's an ad for Wall Street. Janet Yellen chairman of the fed, George Soros billionaire left left wing guy. That's how I see that didn't have Sheldon Adelson billionaire by. It's like Atta against Democrats Republicans. That's part of that out against Republicans week. We can deny we can deny it. But fact is. Actors. We all agree about one thing. Right. It's a terrible thing. This is all terribly these Dowd back. We also haven't discussed should the mental health crisis. It's raging in America. Right. Because none of these folks are healthy people that did these acts. Right. None of these people on the line. The underlying they're crazy people. This question is question is whether or not any of them are being juiced up by what they're hearing. They're not getting care is in control of his faculties enough to construct twelve python in Detroit. When the president uses language like the press enemy of the people there people America who will take that. Can win. A everybody said let's let me address that everybody in the work of that guy said he was insane. Yeah. This is another thing. See something say something the guys drive around with the van that looks like shouting. I'm crazy. I need to be institutionalized. And nobody in his, you know, his Boston his boss said he was crazy. But you know, what he showed up for work. So I like. That's a health crisis is really all of this should not be laid at the because I, you know, I know people say it, let us say this. There are most people who struggle with mental Martin. Martin not violin not violin. And it's and it's wrong. It's wrong to stigmatize them. I'm sure we all agree with that. And then you know, what this politics, we should people should do everything to win but not anything to win, and we are living in a climate Agri where too many politicians President Trump included are doing anything to win. And they don't care about the fallout. But but no, Democrats guys aren't disarmed. Listen, I just said gar too many. But he's the president nine and the ad for one second. Do you really think that it's just a coincidence that the three symbols of globalism and special interests screwing, the working, man and woman are Jewish. Do you really think that's what I said? I was explaining the ad the way I tried to explain it. I didn't see it. I mean, I thought I didn't produce it. I don't know. What's behind the thing? You of it. I'm just giving you another opinion on the ad. I don't know it was liberated. I put. I didn't put the white nationalist language that they borrowed language from that cesspool to add. I see a bubbling up on Fox News, occasionally all. Business defend Fox News. You by the ad. Potentially innocent explanation that they're just picking I think, particularly I do live writ. I mean, these things there's a whole science to this date. Let's not delude ourselves that ad. Had Frank Lund. It was deliberate. But we don't know the. That's. As as a scholar of this. And I'm not making light of that. When I say a whole book about this. Do you think it's possible that it's a coincidence that those three individuals other than Hillary Clinton, and Brooke Obama that those individuals that the ad singles out our Jewish in the same way that Kevin McCarthy tweet about Bloomberg and Steiner and Soros is a coincidence. He just happened to mention to people are Jewish and one with a Jewish father. Well, let me ask you this. I mean, Sheldon Adelson who has also Jewish and is also very rich and his also funding a political campaign. The Republican campaign has failed to show up in any of this. I haven't seen anybody talking about I haven't I haven't seen Democrats railing against Sheldon Adelson for spending fifty sixty million dollars to re elect the Republican conference call conference. I'm sorry. I actually if you look back at the campaign, the two thousand sixteen campaign a number of times, I don't know who it is a number of times we saw very. Very strong evidence that somebody in that campaign was swimming in the alright world when that picture came up of Hillary Clinton on top of the Jewish star with have that element to let's put that up. So just so Jonathan Weissman. So people know what they're talking about. It was a tweet that the president sent out and it had it was actually that meeting was actually taken from an anti-semitic website somebody that did not. How did it? It was. Senator wanted to be a platform for the Albright with Breitbart news, and so. There there. It is now on the on the on the left is the Trump tweet. And it's it's about a Goldman Sachs and money, and it's Jewish star. And then they redid it with a with a circle. And then the initial explanation from the Trump campaign was that the Jewish door was a sheriff's star. Accepted came out of an anti semitic website. They are trolling around looking for these images. The you know what? The you know, what many people would see that and their Nazi? And they wouldn't understand it. But if you're in that world, if you're in the world of the outright, and you see that, you know, exactly where it came from. And that's the and that's the argument with object that Yellen blankfein, understand your point. I'll tell you that point in time Dansk Gavino said he did it Dansk Gavino said he cut and pasted it from a not from an all right website. But from Microsoft, whatever, and I can't tell you. We can go back and pull the the print from it. But Dansk Gavino owned up to it wasn't some grand conspiracy. You put it up and admitted to it so Vinas still in the White House. Yes. So so you're saying you're accusing Dansk Gavino being anti semitic. Yes. I am. Okay. So we let him push back. The you are a Republican. You're not a Trump supporter. I if you're a Republican win, you see all of these things and David doing his level best to try to explain this is where this happened. This is how this happened. None of it came from David, but he's trying to give the Trump point of view. That's what the intention was unsure do you? Do you buy it? It's not it's I say this is a coincidence. I know for sure that President Trump likes to still controversy, and he really doesn't have any moral objection to going to these places. He doesn't mind if we fight about this. How many times both sides after Charlotte? He doesn't mind in. So my question is no longer looking to President Trump to do the right thing. I hate after all these tragedies. We look to see what the president says because he's never going to suit the nation. I'm looking for other people to step up and have a better message boys or anyone I'm looking. I'm looking isn't everyone looking or are we just going to let Donald Trump dominate the conversation? Your other Republican senators that you find say the right thing or they were used to work for Ted Cruz does Ted Cruz say the right thing is there anyone here. It baffles me why no one is stepping up to that plan. No down. Yesterday. I'm sorry. We're all passionate. I'm here. Go ahead. Politics, again, go back to the point doing everything to win or anything to win. There is a big difference. And so most of these folks who are in these offices, all they care about their election. They don't wanna step on their so-called voters by chest housing people in coming out strong against racism and bigotry, we need that kind of leadership at all times. And you know, what if they lose an election over it? So be it by standing up and doing the right thing. You know, loser goes, I agree. There's no place for in the public square. It should be it should be widely. Condemned listen, why is hate so prevalent Jonathan's point why is it so prevalent where did it start? How does it stop? How do we get back? Stephen carter. Professor Yale wrote a great book about civility, right? How do we get back to civility in the public square? How does that happen? Well, I think social media plays a huge iron as long as they're companies that don't mind making money off hate speech continue to that's my wish. Someone would do. And governor Schwarzenegger said this to people look at this is kind of simplistic, but redistricting every ten years make seats safer and safer and congressman to be crazier and crazier and save more and more things that are not in mainstream. We draw these districts that are very left in very, right. And no check on anything all the hate that we've seen in terms of the three incidents. We talked about this this week or from the right far far far. Right. But Jonathan you know, that there's anti semitism and bigotry on the left as well. And we see it, and I'm not acquainting the two and the moral equivalents police out there. I'm not saying it's the same thing. But Louis Farrakhan is out there calling Jews termites and preaching hatred. And he is somebody who recently was on stage with several former presidents at a funeral. That was shocking. I mean, I know I go around the country talking about this. And I talk about Louis Farrakhan as as as. Bigoted. And as horrific as anything, you will see what comes out of his mouth is as awful as anything you'd he'll coming up. David dukes mouth. It's pretty much the same pretty much the same. But I like to say look Farrakhan's Farrakhan's power kind of peaked in one thousand nine hundred five with the million March and has gone downhill that line that I've used was so undermined by that image at Aretha Franklin's funeral of Bill Clinton sitting next to Louis Farrakhan, it made me sick. It really did. And I think that look the left needs to be speaking out as forthrightly as the right? No question. No question. Again, I'm not saying the same thing. But I'm not saying it's the same thing. But how? But how can why would why would it be tolerated on either side in term it shouldn't be? But it terms of a wreath the Franklin's funeral. I don't know. Who's on the invitation lists, you know, so somebody being at a wreath of Franklin funeral is not the equivalent at all about what's going on out at all. No. And I know you're not all agree with his. This is making me feel some kind of way, I will say this that both because we continue to see these things we left and right. Let's see about see through. Exactly that every this is all about how strong of a democrat. Are you how strong of a Republican argue when it should be about how strong of of a person to stand up for Humana. Reach. That's amount. Is right. It is amazing in my travels. What I how I see bigotry itself. Yes. Become a partisan stand up against bigotry somehow. You're a left wing lunatic. It's crazy. It's crazy and. We're we're travels to I've seen this kind of stuff at the hands of Democrats. I mean, there's a candidate right now. Devante Beccles who's running in California where we know to Democrats can go head to head where images of monkeys are coming out against her at the hands of supporters of her opponent, who's the democrat. So nobody has a premium on whether they can be racist bigoted. But what we do have to do is stop seeing everything through the lens of what what whether you're Republican or democrat and see it through the lens of what kind of country, and you want to be again people again and again propagate propagated in stoked by faceless. Nameless folks on social media, right? Everybody gets played so on that note of agreement. I'll it's tough to have these conversations we do it. But jake. Glad to this shows credit need, an talk we go we leave. We we're friends. I just wanted to say unlike the discourse it's being had on social media for people get to shout down people. Call them horrific names, and they vanish into the fellow. 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Count The Legal Votes

The Sean Hannity Show

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Count The Legal Votes

"Hey don't pay big wireless carriers for unlimited data that you'll never use now if you switch to pure talk they treat you every day like it's black friday or cyber monday. Now listen to this unlimited talk. Text two gigs of data. Twenty bucks a month. That's it pure talk. Saves the average person who switches from verizon a t and t and t mobile over four hundred bucks a year. I'm a customer. You need to be a customer. You get the exact same service also. Just pure talk. Usa dot com. Enter the promo code. Sean glad you're with us. Thank you got shannon and write down our toll. Free telephone number. You wanna be a part of this extravaganza. I just want to start by saying something here that everybody needs to fully comprehend and understand here because everybody. I want to literally jump out of my skin. I can't take it anymore. Because you you watch and you listen and the mob and the media and their supporters and their declarations and their oh and their calls for civility. And i'm literally sarah really we're gonna get lectures from the very people that did nothing but harass donald j trump from the minute. He came down the escalator on what it means to be civil and how we as a society must act cetera said online. A really well. How about if we just. How about if we just follow your standard because when we follow your standard. We don't think you're gonna like it. Which which. I'm not saying that we do here it is. It is sad to me that there are so many issues. That now have arisen in all of this. And i don't know what the outcome is going to be. But i'm telling you what we we cannot allow the outcome to be in. That is to be intimidated into silence. And that is there are too many people. There are too many examples There are laws that we have one of the things that you've got to keep in mind here is that we now have a system. That is working. Its way through the courts. What seventy one million americans. A new record no republican history. Who went out and vote and voted for donald. J trump to be reelected. We know that the margin of votes separation in all of these states is tiny. It is miniscule it is it is beyond shockingly close in what is the one of the closest races in the history of our great republic. We everybody's focus and let's not forget thirty seven days. Allegory pimple dimple dented. You know chad's and the counting but it was at least transparent the main focus. I say this point has to be on numerous fronts. Now we are often lectured by liberals about the rule of law okay. I agree with that. If that's your goal were election laws followed and obeyed or whether they violated where a nation of laws where a nation of where a constitutional republic. It's imperative that the laws of this country be followed. And i'm gonna tell you something. It's amazing when you look at the difference. Isn't it between the way a state like florida state like ohio. How so many states can vary very efficiently. You know conduct a major election with even higher populations than other states and yet they can get tour result. That is fair that is accurate that people have that has integrity that people have confidence in believing that their votes mattered and that there were no shenanigans going on. And then you have the state's the same ones. Usually every time where it becomes an unmitigated disaster. It is is it that they can't do it well. We all know that they could. We all know that where the home of apple we all know that. We're the home of microsoft. We all know where the home of silicon valley and we also know. And everybody's gotta keep in their mind as well we owe it to the seventy one million americans have voted for trump. We owe it to the american people. We owe it to the country to ensure that every law election laws included were followed and obeyed. There is now a case that is pending with great merit. Before the united states supreme court there are now also other cases in other states that will clearly merit judicial review. There's going to be recounts because of the razor thin margins in some cases we're talking about a tenth of a point and there has been incredible. Reckless commentary speculation. about The president will have to retake an out in handcuffs etcetera. We will have if it ends up being this way. The peaceful transition of power. That's all that's a saber rattling on the fat on on the democrats part we have a system and i'll be imperfect talk so often about this. That has the ability to right wrongs correct injustices and this is critical and always pursue a more perfect union. That's what we always talk about. You know we have this other branch of government known as the judicial branch. They will do their job. I don't think anyone is focused. In his keenly on election laws as we have because the law of the of and constitutionally we can get into greater detail as the day goes on and and as the days go on because it will be days but where constitutionally it is very very clear how election laws are made. This is not the most complicated stuff in the world. I thought i'll tell you to great programs. I watched this week. i'm always the great one. Mark levin woman's with maria teresa mo. And i thought they both did great jobs explaining the law the constitution where we need to go what is what is in the best interest of the country. The and the american people Article two section one clause to constitution each state shall appoint in such manner as the legislature thereof. Maybe the number of electors equal to the whole number of senators and representatives. To it's the state may be entitled and congress in other words state legislatures determine how to select the electors. Now this is where the whole issue of the pending supreme court case comes in is when the governor and and you know unilaterally extending out beyond the eight pm election day deadline in pennsylvania and judge alito order to separate those votes from that is is critical you know. I don't think most americans know that. A state like pennsylvania actually has written into the statute partisan observers may observe polling locations. They may stay until the time that the cone counting of votes is complete. Now i'm gonna play for you. A montage off. Cut to of of observers being prevented from watching the votes being counted. While now i. I don't know because i'm not a lawyer constitutional lawyer but if the election law specifically has violated what will the remedy be. I don't know but this is what they are saying. Listen officials came out Kind and access to sign documents and a few moments later. We were asked to leave. Will i find that. Actually within ten to twelve minutes when hour and a half left to do for further away. Than i am from you all here Hundreds at least one hundred feet away from open ballots that back out of our sight. We can't see them. We don't know what's happening to them. it's just there's no way for us to meaningfully observe the process out meaningful of the have continued to count the votes. Because i think that they are not letting every legal how okay. So those are people on record and this is now happening in the states. That matter if you go to the state of michigan again if we're going to look at the law a nation of laws member all during the the the entire russia russia russia pony narrative collusion that they drag the country through hell on They've really cared about the fact that roger stone lied to congress even though there was a referral for the likes of komi mccabe and others. You know we have. I guess to standards as relate to the law but you know michigan law actually is very clear that it's an open process that may be observed by any interested person now. I bet many of you didn't know that election challengers poll-watchers and challenges in particular have greater access to the process. But it's supposed to be open and you know what i did. See one good thing in arizona although there are some questions emerging there But they actually videotaped the whole process other states. Do not which i think is just a smart thing to do because it keeps everybody honest. You know i would think it's critical that every american would want and that would include even those that like joe biden or you know wanted to him to win the election that you have complete faith and confidence in the election process of this great country and that we be helping to reassure the american people. That is the case in this election and that the checks and balances that the three branches of government make for us make us stronger country and if the legislature constitutionally sets up the law. Then you don't have the right as a governor or as the secretary of state or as the lieutenant governor or any other position unless you're the state legislature to actually shift or change the laws especially as constitutionally prescribed. This is not the first time that we've had contested elections. It won't be the last time. The two thousand election went on undecided for thirty seven days after election day It's got to be all of our hopes that we in fact as quickly as possible. The american people deserve the honest results But when you hear about last minute changes to election laws Done by people that don't have statutory legal authority to do so do so a random extensions and they don't have the legal right to do so or shifting standards in terms of how people that are legally written into the law or allowed to observe ballots. that's unfair to the american people. And when all is said and done you know constitutional standards in law have got to win the day. Whatever way the chips fall here. I don't want to create false hope in people. About what the ultimate result. This is a razor razor thin election. But we have an obligation as americans to track down any fraud to track down any lawbreaking that might have taken to ensure the integrity of the vote because otherwise the system that we we base our laws on that governs elections is meaningless. You know it's why. I said so many times that it matters that we can have a dual system of justice. It matters that you know the media do their job fairly otherwise. It's just an extension of the democratic socialist press office and that if there's their care about russia co interference and they find out there's none they ought to be the ones that are glad to report that information and if they find out somebody let's just say pays for thirty russian dossier it matters. We didn't spend three years on that topic for nothing and what we found out was everything that we reported to. You is true while. I'm taking the same approach to this. And that is we now are going to continue. We're going to investigate every law. And every single instance and make sure that the people of this country will have faith and competence in the election results. And if there are things that we've got to do to strengthen the process to protect against any shenanigans down the road or ensure that the laws are are implemented and that people's vote and rights are protected. And that's got to be done to And i think lindsey graham is not wrong in his point that he made on one of the weekend shows if republicans don't challenge and don't investigate based on what is being told to us about people that saying i was an observer are wasn't allowed to observe for example. You know he. He said they'll never be another repub. Republican ever elected again as president and warning that the president needs to actually has an obligation to Do this for the seventy one million americans in a close election that that took the time of their day to vote for this important office. We have a lot of ground to cover. Newt gingrich's on today maribor romo's on today we. Oh by the way. Did you hear the good news is a covid. Nineteen vaccine efficacy ninety percent. Wow imagine if we knew that a week ago today but anyway we'll get that We'll get that out to you. Good news on that front. I know everybody Has you know we all hope for a cure or medical researchers scientists. 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Why because you didn't want answers to questions about his history on race or stacking or packing the courts or legislative filibusters or you know that the paris cord that he's now saying is getting into demands that we We ourselves off of fossil fuels reduce the use of boscell abuse that the people of pennsylvania told that why should we trust you when you lies for three years about trump and russia and never admitted you lied and advanced conspiracy theories why should the. Why should the american people you so hyped up on. Impeaching president trump on ukraine ignored quid. Pro quo joe zero experience hunter russian oligarchs kazakhstan marks a billion five deal with china. You ignored it. All you've lost people's trust big tech companies now. That are the arbiters of what news that the country is able to receive. I mean everybody. I know is saying that. They're now they don't trust twitter anymore facebook anymore so i parlay has gone through the roof. Dan bongino part of that deal. Good for him. You know if you look at for example. The the i'm just going by the law look at for example. Pennsylvania the law says partisan observers can observe the vote counting. I think on record now the lawyers for the president over the weekend. They've got seventy or some odd people that have signed affidavits that were supposed to be partisan observers that are allowed to look at the vote counting that were kept away in some places pittsburgh observers saying that they were kept away for twenty four hours from the row. Well how well. How many ballots were counted in that period of time as the count reduced more and more and more. You know what about pennsylvania. What about the other witnesses. Now that are on videotape. That are now now. Don't does america have a right to listen to people that are saying that this is what the law says we were there to fulfill our obligation under the law and we were denied access to it. What is the remedy for it. I don't know what the remedy for it is except that the courts will have to decide that a mother's day and just a couple of weeks my friends at shamanee. They are making it a very special mother's day from now till mother's day you'll get the classic genucell to get rid of bags and puffiness under your eyes and the jaw line treatment at a discount. Never offered before and as a surprise mother's day gift genu will double your order for free whether you're staying home going back to work or simply connecting remotely with your loved ones as the time to say goodbye to puffiness dark spots crows feet and even firm up that delicate skin around your jaw line and your neck area your next zoom your next facetime. Well you're gonna look and feel better. Guaranteed or you get your money back. No questions asked order genucell. Mother's day special. Now double your order for free. 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It's not something you get your finger on and five seconds or five minutes even five days and and basically the election you know if you remember in the weeks coming leading up to election as we were in our countdown. I kept telling everybody and every all of you on election day and the day before election day on election day. I was saying if you're in line. Stay in line. You have a right to stay line just assume that your vote is gonna put it over the top. I didn't know how right i would be. I just knew it was a very strong possibility. And it looks like it's you know anywhere but hundred twenty thousand votes. That's what it all comes down to out of a hundred and fifty million votes cast. I mean you think about that. That's point zero zero zero eight percent. A tiny margin you know recounts have been ordered and they're justified the trump campaign challenging a lot of this in the courts. I think the the supreme court is going to be the most fascinating. I think to watch an all of this because it. I any decision that the supreme court is ultimately going to make is going to be based on the law. It is not going to be based on what the feelings of the governor of the state legislature are. I mean just not. That's not how that's not how we run elections here This you know. There's a good history brought up in the post as well about how you know. Election fraud is not unknown in america and i was sad to say i bet you many don't know the famous example chicago mayor. Richard daley allegedly rigged the ballot for john kennedy. Dead people were found to have voted and six hundred. seventy seven. Election officials were indicted. You know we've had you know an analysis even in pennsylvania top judges and officials. You know convicted of fraud election fraud and being paid out to stuff. Ballot boxes Over a thousand almost a thousand people in the country not that in recent years. That are have convictions. Over this It was funny how everybody said. I got a vote by mail. We gotta change the laws. Why because of the pandemic. i didn't hear one bit of criticism of people celebrating this weekend. Joe biden so-called victory with kamala harris. And they're out about the no public distancing again just like they never talked about it during the protests only during trump rallies The new york. Times miranda devine found a great piece how they once reported that the truth that mail in voting is is the most vulnerable to fraud is right but you know if you think back to the first covid relief bill. Why was it held up. It was held up because nancy pelosi the election. Laws changed in part. She wanted immigration laws and she was willing to let american citizens and businesses. You know sit back can be delayed and and have to wait and wait longer and wait longer than that so you know and what was all of russia all about wasn't russia's supposed to be about whether there was an outside influence that we've heard that narrative now three years nothing but lies conspiracy theories and a hoax perpetrated on the american people ironically turns out hillary's the only one the paid for the dirty russian dossier that led to the spying and the well getting a four or five zero warrants based on the phony dossier. It's incredible nobody wanted to get worked with worked up about the war. Many of us that pointed out how deeply important and imperative it was that the truth come out and that people be told the truth and that double standard could not stand and it is. It's really sad actually You know it's funny. Biden is out there pretending to be president. You know in between his naps and saying today you know. He said on thursday contradicted. The president's suggestion that a coronavirus vaccine may be only weeks away warning americans. They can't trust the president's word and the idea that there's gonna be a vaccine and everything is going to be fine tomorrow. It's just not rational. Said there's not going to be a miracle remember that now. what have i been telling. You said there's something very interesting happening. Because we have these third. The final stage human trials that were ongoing that started in late july and the reason that they were ongoing is because nobody was dying. There were no major side effects and that antibodies were being created. I use the sources that i had. There's a number of companies. Madonna johnson and johnson. While fis comes out today in the vaccine that they have been developing with n tek which by the way spurt a massive leap in the stock market today. More than ninety percent effective. The companies were able to say today maj if they said it a week ago it is a milestone attributed to american medical researchers and medical scientists which i had said you know back in january of this year that they're gonna get the job done. I always had faith in them and they did anyway. So fiso now with this german biotech firm become the purse pharmaceutical outfit to reveal the successful data late stage study covert nineteen vaccine at a time by the way that we really seem to be able to need it here where a lot of countries now or having surging infection counts and today is a great day for science and humanity the fis. A ceo said in a statement with today's news. We are a significant step. Closer to providing people around the world with a much needed break through to help bring an end to the global health crisis and what they found in their phase. Three studies of the vaccine after ninety. Four of the trials of forty three thousand five hundred thirty eight participants contracted covert nineteen. That's it analysis showed. The vaccine was more than ninety percent effective Patients received the second of two doses. Meaning they become protected from the virus after twenty eight days from starting the vaccination course both fifa and bio tech. Will you know. Assess the effectiveness again. One hundred sixty four study participants get sick. You know when they have them sick with corona virus they'll check the final efficacy rate. The great dr fauci has weighed in and said that if the favourite liberal except you don't listen. Dr fauci saying it was safe to vote in person if there was social distancing and wearing masks saying that the results of this that came out today are extraordinary. His words if we get a reasonable effect of say seventy five percent effective vaccine in a substantial proportion of the population takes it. We're going in the right direction towards approaching a degree of normalcy normalcy. Which we all want which can happen faster. There's no remember it used to take years and years and years to break down the sequence of a virus. And they were able to do it. We'll have our experts at top of the hour. This is too big a story we have you know means too much to too many people and our way of life and people beginning to be able to live again. thing that we're going to have to pay a lot of attention to while all of this now is ongoing as it relates to getting to the truth of the results of the election and making sure every law was observed and looking at judicial review and recounts etc the battle Chuck schumer is now told everybody what is planning. Everything is on the table right now after the election. It looks like it's a fifty four thousand eight split in the us senate. We have to georgia senate seats that are scheduled for a runoff. I believe january fifth as a runoff date for georgia that makes the difference the seed of kelley law flir and and go and Senator purdue critical if you wanna stop the democrats from packing the courts and ending the legislative filibuster and you want some check on the radicals that have the holdover. Joe biden if joe biden becomes the president in the end of this process joe biden. Okay is now at the point they say. Can you imagine how important this comes. And the funny thing is stacey. Abrams by the way linda ever acknowledged that she wasn't elected governor. I'm not even sure if she ever finally said she accepted the results you remember. I think she's declared herself. Governor elect last time. I checked last time. I checked too right. Yeah by the way. Linda is an apoplexy livid and to your credit. You've been talking to anybody and everybody around the country and you're getting a lot of anecdotal stories and a lot of which are going to be sharing with you in the days to come good work and for all the right reasons as we talk this weekend. This is about our kids about our grandkids about doesn't it ask yourself. Election interference with russia matters. And whether or not a potential president is compromised by ukraine russia china kazakhstan that. Nobody seemed to care about. And if it matters a phone call with president trump and presidents. Alinsky this is all not going to go away. Just because they want it to go away. You know what sean. I think you just said it best. Which is that. This is not a fight about president trump in fact it has nothing to do with president trump it has to do with the free republic. And if you ever want to see free and fair elections again if you truly care about american prosperity and greatness in the future you want to give to your children then you'd better wake up and you better pay attention. What was i saying before the election. Every vote is gonna matter here. I it's already hard enough for any republican. Win the presidency anyway. So the president apparently coordinates summer boards is going to be getting out on the road and making his case as more information becomes available. That should get very very interesting. we have a lot of people on the ground all throughout this week. We're going to be interviewing radio and tv We know that they're They're very specific stories. That i'm getting that we're working on. One is wisconsin. One is in nevada Working obviously on pennsylvania and watching. What's going on there and one in the state of georgia yet. A nevada whistleblower. Sign an affidavit alleging disregard of of mail signature verification. These were all stories that have to be looked into with. The rule of law mattered for russia's should matter to everyone in the media. I know that Let's see anderson. Cooper is out there comparing president trump to a flailing obese turtle but of course they're lecturing everybody on how it's time for the nation to come together there's an arizona. There's a lawsuit there how it's possible. They incorrect incorrectly rejected votes. After cutting the biden lead to nearly half a point republicans have expanded the probe into the dominion voting systems. We had laura cox on the program on friday. And she's the one that said yeah. We found a glitch. And in the glitch we've found six thousand votes. Were wrongly tabulated for biden. Not donald trump. Well that system is used in over. Forty of the eighty counties in michigan for crying out loud Anyway and then we have Now it's used according to john Solomon at at just the news. Dot com twenty eight states. Use the same. Exact dominion software. Researchers are questioning the reliability of of the dominion voting systems and software. Which everybody should want ted cruz. Who i think has been phenomenal said. Yep the vote count. Lawsuits could easily reach the supreme court in other words. If there were observers as a matter of law that would denied access to the observation. I don't know what the remedy would be in a court situation like that. But i think people that are signing affidavits to that effect need to be listened to. I'm sure that democrats that pedaled their russia conspiracy theories would agree And we know that Different people are being tapped in different states. And it's going to take a lot of time and we'll see what happens thirty nine. Republicans have now asked the attorney general to ensure integrity of voting and the counting process We have congressman scalise saying election laws. Were not followed in two thousand twenty. jonathan turley has been phenomenal on his analysis. America should welcome review for close counts. I agree with that. Why wouldn't we welcome the review. Isn't it in the end better. That the american people at the end of process have faith and confidence that everything was done lawfully and that this was a free fair election with a laws were followed. You know i think started a great job on what lavigne last night. Pennsylvania's three day extension in the mail in ballot Deadline is a constitutional travesty. I'd that's the that's the supreme. Court case that is pending. I think that's absolutely right. There are some republicans with the back bone. South dakota governor noem saying al gore got his day in court and the president deserves the same consideration. Michelle obama's out. There attacking seventy one million trump voters of for supporting lies hate chaos and division. Oh and her and her husband never did that. Neither to joe biden. But we're a bunch of chumps and bitter people clinging to god guns are bibles and religion So we're gonna watch all of this and and see what happens. Do think that the testimony of so many people that seem to be now getting on the record is going to be very interesting. And it was a great tweet by ari. Fleischer resist overturned boycotts prevail. Leak impeach now. They tell us it's time to heal. Where were they the last four years or larry elder four years of attacking trump is illegitimate fascist nazi tyronn dictator racist anti semite russian stooge trader gifter xenophobes sexist homophobic ignorant fat and lazy. Let's come together out. Pretty powerful tweet from him in other one by eric. Erickson was really good to black friday cyber monday. One day only sale now. Wouldn't you rather just work with a company who put you on a pedestal everyday. Well that's what you get with pure talk usa. Now this is a veteran run wireless company who understands what it means to serve now. 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I mean we're just going to do a little comparison of how they were in two thousand sixteen and how they're reacting Over the weekend We cannot ignore the story. It is too big as to. It is to extraordinary and It's what i had predicted was happening. And based on my sources and people have been talking to all these you know final stage. Human trials. Foreign covert vaccine. And it's something that i have been saying since january when you look at our timeline on covert nineteen which the mob the media got wrong. The whole time. I kept saying i have faith and i have hope and belief in our medical researchers are scientists and our doctors and our healthcare workers that they they're gonna get us the answer and we were able to break down in record time the sequence of this corona virus and it's now and and then the president to his credit implemented operation warp speed and. I said because these final stage trials members staged to human trials showed antibodies were created. Nobody died taking the vaccine and that the side effects were minimal. Then they go into the we what we have six separate ones that i know of that were are ongoing and then you go into stage three testing and then it began with thirty thousand in the case of feige and by the way they're they're now applying for an emergency use authorization from the fda as soon as the final data meets the safety milestones. They expect you know very very shortly but the head of pfizer literally the chairman. Ceo said today's a great day for science and humanity the first set of results from our phase. Three cova nineteen vaccine. Trial provides the initial evidence of our vaccines ability to prevent covid nineteen. We are reaching this critical milestone in our vaccine development program at a time when the world needs most with infection rate setting new records hospitals nearing overcapacity and struggling to remain open. Open with today's news. We are a significant step. Closer to providing people around the world with a much needed break through to help bring an end to the global health crisis. He said we are proud to announce that along with their partners bio n tek group That this guy. Their vaccine candidate at an interim analysis demonstrated incredible efficacy and if approved it will require patients to receive two shots. The second one coming twenty one days after the first shot. It's a two dose vaccine which means in twenty eight days. Somebody will have the antibodies over ninety percent now. governor cuomo said. There's bad news. Trump will determine how it gets distributed. Only only only a democratic could say that biden rejecting up to last week. Oh claim that a vaccine is imminent. We already knew that because if if look if third stage final human trial testing was not going on. Well would've stopped it but it meant that it was working anyway. It has now sent the dow through the roof today And even the ever so loved. Dr fauci says it is a remarkable incredible comments anyway Dr josh number. Our friend is with us atlas. Md in in. Wichita kansas and dr george meritas with us. Harvard medical school. Thank you both for being with us. We didn't we all know dr umber when they didn't stop the trials. The final phase human testing trials. That was a good sign. Yeah we those Definitely a good sign that they felt a positive things to pushing that forward. I think their big concern was that it was going to become political like everything else and probably trying to thread that needles best they could. Yeah i mean you know. It's a imagine if it was announced a week ago. could it have impacted the election. Who knows it doesn't what's important as the health of people though at the end of the day here if you get a ninety percent effective rate like they're showing what does that mean to you. You know i think that Scenes shooting for seventy percent so so could be above that Maybe even further I think when you combine that with the number of people who probably have natural immunity from the ten million plus known cases so probably twenty thirty forty more undocumented cases that means we hit herd immunity. Really pretty quick means we can start protecting the most at risk people very soon and you really get out in front of this whole thing and doctor farid news again. The words that dr fauci extrordinary. I am completely in agreement with dr bridge statement. That this is a wonderful It's what we've been waiting for is it. is been. It's been a very extensive study forty-three thousand or more Patients enrolled and participants around the world. And we have very encouraging findings such that Patients will be Likely to have good protection the been needed but it My feeling is that we need to get the acceptance by dr fauci and the fda and the task force of the early treatment with the recently good audi virus that we've had since the inception of this and Our american association of physicians and surgeons has put together a very good homebase guide to see early colder treatment. And we're gonna continue to need that regardless of when the vaccine is being being distributed talking about fifty million doses this year alone that they'll have produced to be able to distribute. Isn't that incredible. It absolutely. we're testing over million people a day and that takes a lot of work To admit it takes a little time so be a million vaccines a day. And i i'd like to see that there are other companies coming up with a good Vaccines that will be Announcing results i suspect the maderna's trial however It's still important to not give up on what we've been pushing for many of us in the on the front line for i'm i'm seeing a huge upsurge of patients And outpouring of a trying to get access to this combination treatment of Really safe and effective Combination antivirals ivermectin hydroxy clerk win zinc doxycycline. Cycling is through mice and if it's taken in the five days as we've been asking and there there are no Promulgation of this from foul she and the others We wouldn't have had the the terrible consequences that we've seen to this point and we're gonna still need this approach in addition to The the distribution of a vaccine in the months ahead. I mean doctor. Farid i know that you and others had gone out there and sits a sixty five year old drugs. I draw chloroquine with a zithromax etc. And you know you. Have somebody like dr daniel wallace. Who said the risk is nil. And he's the premier guy on rheumatoid arthritis and lupus and anti-malarials four hundred peer reviewed articles than you know and then how it becomes politicized. You still believe that hydroxychloroquine with zinc and vitamin d. And and whatever other things associated with it if taken very early does what it suppresses the multiplication and now if we had in either in addition there's even a more effective combination of agents causing the ivermectin. What does that i've ever met. And it's being used in other countries and now it's part of the protocol in this Based treatment plan from The american association of what kind of medicine that i've never been i. It's it's it's a de worming agents. It's us veterinary medicine and And in humans for a parasitic treatment anti parasitic agents. It's like hydroxy clerk when it has additional mechanisms of action in addition to what it's been touted for like a malaria per hydroxy clerk winner then subsequently or rheumatoid arthritis lupus it has other effects that are when i looked at it completely The ivermectin also inhibits they re a multiplication step of sars covid nineteen Cova to it. Didn't if it's a nuclear step that isn't covered by hydroxy clerk win using it in conjunction with hydroxychloroquine makes the Early treatment even more effective and That's how i'm seeing here in my community. These patients Cut recovering in twenty four hours. And they don't want to develop the long kovic syndrome that's very doctor. I know that of people politicize hydroxy. And then you got remdesivir. Now we're working on other Therapeutics like regeneron that the president took. Oh have you ever heard of either. What does it call auburn I've ever met. I've seen some of those studies. And i think you know we got a lot of studies going out to look for anything positive That shows some benefits and It'll be interesting to see where all those go when you may maybe less important. If we have a vaccine then we won't need to treat nearly as many people So in some ways that might make it harder to research in other ways. I will still be happy that We found a way to protect ourselves from this. And what are now are built of you seeing that if people take the tree. What is your first order of treatment. Dr number if somebody you know has this thing it's still a respiratory virus so we try to match this treatment to the symptoms knowing that there's still a shortage of some of these other medicines a plaque hill and Is it reminds me too much of a shortage but not everyone does well at the death zone. So looking at that Still your basic tylenol. Ibuprofen dayquil nyquil. benadryl Large glass of water every hour and a lot of net flicks. Just you know the the normal grandma advice that you would get for cough and cold for the people at higher risk pre existing lung conditions diabetes. And then we try to. You know ratchet that up to the more aggressive types of care anything to work on it sooner to try to prevent those hospitalizations then when they do go the hospital. Try to focus on the newer options. That seem to be showing some some definite mike. Regeneron things. yeah that's right. Yeah and have you found that. Many patients need to be hospitalized when they take your treatment. I you know For our patient panel we've yet to hospitalize anybody but we also haven't seen Nearly as much as other states like florida new york. Yeah we read. What about you of people that go on your regimen. How they'd done they've done extremely well. None of been hospitalized and if they get it early and they the the report significant and remarkable symptomatic improvement. And the the the that's our goal is to prevent hospitalization and it's very effective in doing that. It's a it's end. It's readily available. It's it's not a large amount of plaque window or hydroxy clerk when it's just sixteen tablets that are needed for the regiment. And then it's a. In addition these other agents doxycycline through mice and are available and zinc is available as well as this ivermectin is just four tablets. One does is all they need at one time. Yeah just one does i. If they're very symptomatic they can repeat it For two or three hundred side effects from it not not with one dose of Twelve milligrams of ivermectin. It's it's widely been widely used. It's like drowsy clerk. And it's been around for decades. And i gotta run but i want to thank you both. Do you know it's such a good day. And i say to everybody that is in the medical community including you guys on the front lines. Thank you for all you do for all of us every day. 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Let's go back to twenty sixteen. shall we. Unless just take a trip down memory lane and how the democrats and the media and the mob reacted to. Donald trump people have talked about a miracle. I'm hearing about a nightmare. This was a whitelash. This was a whitelash against a changing country. It was a whitelash against a black president in part. And that's the part where the pain comes This network devoted years of programming and promotional support to a reality show. That was mold breaking for the time and contributed largely to making this a new york developer. Builder licensor landlord investor successful guy into a global celebrity and brand a brand new cells brand name licensed products with his name on it. I think some of it's cultural anger. We should correctly identify as being racial animus and that it's significant that trump is that trump has close so much of a gap in done so well with white voters extent twitch donald trump is one running a campaign of racism and bigotry turning out millions of white americans for that campaign suggests that we are living through a kind of second redemption. Now let's listen to yes. The cnn's van jones now character matters it matters. Tell truth matters. Being a good person matters what crime so much but what got me took the picture of the cabdriver. And so i'm very emotional so when you ask me how i'm beal and right now i'm sorry that's all i can tell you. This is how i feel right now. Nobody knows what it feels like as a black man to be able to speak moment if you're ever have to worry at the president's going to be happy to have babies has to wear century. Nobody's i've started crying. And again. I heard the i can't quite frightening. Go away from me cry. We don't care who. 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Presumably you can censor the new york times or any other media outlet mr dorsey seat who the hell elected you and put you in charge of what the media are allowed to report and what the american people are allowed to here to have the ability to influence elections. You said no. You still stand by that. That twitter accompanying no no. You'll figure of the ability by by moderation policies by senator leaving our call censoring you. What's your new york post. You'll think censorship that moderation policies elections by withholding. What i believe is true information from public. You don't think that interferes elections i. That was the challenge of dorsey of twitter at jack as he calls himself. Eight hundred nine. Four one sean. If you wanna be a part of the program my friend and colleague fox business network morning anchor also hosts on the fox news channel over the weekend Which by the way. I had a great sunday morning futures Show this past weekend. Maria barrett. Romo's with us. She has a new book out by the way. The cost trump china and the american revival also announcing herself that. You're leaving twitter. You got banned. Yeah sean i didn't get banned but what happened. Is i'm tweeting stuff. And they're flagging it and they're making it hard for my followers to see it and frankly sean doesn't matter if i have ten gazillion followers on twitter. It's they're going to be the arbiter of truth and they're going to be the policeman for the information that i'm trying to communicate to my followers. I have no interest in being there. Okay so my bottom line is i haven't lost yet but i am fully surely moving. I love parlor. I decided this right now. I'm using twitter to promote my stuff. I'll promote my show. Sunday morning futures on sunday mornings with maria on fox business. But when i have scoops that my scoops are only going on parlor sean. Because as a freedom loving woman like you a freedom loving man. I cannot accept this censorship in america and i will not accept it. Even begin to put a monetary value in terms of you know look at for example twitter and and facebook and all these big tech companies and literally deciding what they want to call news her not news they are being the arbiters of it and then you know strangely protected from liability laws due to the section to thirty protections that they have and and they they do this. But how would you ever put up money figure on what that meant to joe biden and his campaign in terms of donation. Never mind the media mob itself which is ninety nine percent. i hate donald trump. and we'll never vet joe biden We'll give him a pass on everything. I never saw. One presidential candidate answer fewer questions in the history of the republic. I don't think it's ever happened. But protecting and then moving with the conspiracy theories on top of it. I think that there was clearly a coordinated effort. There has been from the day that donald trump went down the elevator. Most recently in the last couple of years you've seen a real coordinated colluding effort to cover up what they've been doing and that includes the media and includes the fbi. You know the people within the government. I mean this president has faced more resistance than anyone could imagine and while doing so he's actually been able to Push through some serious victories and successes in the way of policy that have made americans lives much better but you know facing up to this resistance had to be incredibly difficult. He was able to do it. But i don't know what the prices In terms of the impact on joe biden presidency. But it's obviously hard to ignore When you did have a cover up the exculpatory evidence exploratory things that could have been you know very bad for joe biden that we're not reported You know you had during the two thousand sixteen election. We both know what took place. They are an incredible. Cover up an entrapment scheme to take down the president. So all of these things into what you're referring to and that is incredible. Help support on the part of the media for joe biden. I don't watch any sunday shows any longer at a. Have him for a long time except for yours. You had an exceptional show this weekend. You had rudy giuliani You had House minority leader kevin mccarthy. You had lindsey graham you at ted cruz and i and i watched and the analysis was so dead on brilliant and it was one guest after another very impressive. What is your take as you now have heard from all of them as i'm hearing from all of them and we're watching the rest of the media landscape which i view as corrupt and unwatchable tried. And i agree with that. And thank you for the compliment sean. Look i think what we are watching unfold right. Here is a situation where we have to allow the courts to take over now. We have to allow the country. Just follow the rule of law. We have a structure in place to See this legation play out The media as much as the media wants to be the arbiters of the presidential election and truth there. It is not the media's role to tell us who is the winner of the selection that is the role of the electoral state officials which will do their role in december We are watching a contested election with disputes. That will move through the court and so now we have to allow the courts to take over and we have to follow the truth. And that's what we're doing. That is why. I am waiting to see how these things Rule before any you know any declaration of who. The president is what i learned. This weekend is right now. We have identified episodes of irregularities episodes of questionable activity. I'm not going to say fraud yet. Because i have to see the evidence but we certainly have enough pieces of evidence that indicate dead people voted number one. We have situations where you have ballots where you did not have an opportunity to vote for president trump. He name was not on the ballot. There are thousands of those which sydney powell told us about auto situations where you have a software program dominion software program that has had many many delicious specifically in georgia and they are indicating other places. Walk whether or not these glitches were intentional. In it was michigan where they had the six thousand votes that they had to switch to trump. And that's only the one county and it doesn't necessarily mean it happened in other counties. No but over forty counties michigan. Use that same software. It's kind of scary when you think about. It and sydney powell told us that there could be that company where there's an interest in the company that nancy pelosi's husband has an interest in it. Diane feinstein's house has an interested. We don't know this is all being looked at right now and then. Of course there are also reports that after some of these counties stopdown but i never heard anything in my life that when you're in the middle of an election you stop you stop counting so there were situations where they stopped counting and then in the dead of night three in the morning tens of thousands of new ballot showed up late one hundred percent of them for biden. So there are enough of these episodes. That aren't an investigation. And now we need to have that investigation take place whether or not this is episodic or systemic remains to be seen. There's obviously reason to investigate. And reason for the trump administration to drop these lawsuits given what we've seen and you know when you think of the number of people were talking about here and this is what the trump campaign had said and the way the media would characterize it as just false. I mean i think we're talking about if you look at all the states combined somewhere i mean you know what eighths eighteen sixteen fifteen thousand ballots in arizona. Twenty thousand wisconsin forty thousand pennsylvania. Nevada's you know we have questions and all of these states and and then you have all of these people. Now signing affidavits for example in pennsylvania saying they were not allowed to observe when the law specifically allows partisan observers of the vote count and that would mean every vote and yet that clearly didn't happen. Is maybe social distancing at something some play in that but not one hundred feet away. You're not going to see any ballot and and you can't see from that distance what's actually going on. I think this is one of the things that the trump administration has identified as the most egregious where they were not allowed to observe any of it. Why is it that the administration and the campaign is being shut out in terms of having observers ensure that things are going moving fairly and honestly. I had in front of me. A look at the number of ballots with only joe biden on the ticket. No other candidates on the ballot and that's ninety eight thousand in pennsylvania. Eighty thousand in georgia forty two thousand arizona. Sixty nine thousand in michigan and sixty two thousand in wisconsin. So there's there's that as well and you know. I think these situations needs to be looked at and by the way i did get a call this morning from someone else who appears to be a whistle blower and so i will be following up on that to the good news here. Sean is the fact that now we're putting spotlight on all the best this This will awaken whistle blowers and people will come forward so if there is fraud and waste fraud. The likelihood of finding out is high. I agree i agree with you. And i think it's all got to be followed up with you know. I'm very worried about this country when you can have a presidential candidate in the for example. Look at the racial background of joe biden. it was never asked her in the campaign. This man was allowed to hide in his basement. Daily in the mob the media. Everybody protected him. Big tech companies. You know killed stories that were negative towards him. He never have to answer. Never got a full answer. Did we on the issue of packing the courts ending the legislative filibuster these fundamental questions that he was allowed to run through an entire campaign and any of the questions. We did get answered. You know were only because donald trump pushed it during the debate. I don't know how to monetize the you know you talk about an in-kind contribution there was state run tv now state run big tech companies. You have a corrupt democratic party that would take on breathtaking hypocrisy on russia and ukraine and a republican establishment that just hated donald trump style and the fact that he tweeted he wasn't an establishment candidate put a disruptor as he was elected to be and then ends up with seventy one million votes. I think there's a serious amount of censorship going on right. Now sean and i think people are you know people who are independent and who may not have been following. Some of this stuff is closely as you and i. I think they're coming out right now and saying wait a second. I think that my rights are getting trampled on the wait. A second i. I thought that i had freedom to do this. And now i don't and they're seeing censorship in free speech and it's getting them angry and i think over the last year this has been bubbling up. And i think people are recognizing that there is this cover up coup going on and it continues. Because donald trump's president trump's existence his going to washington saying i'm going to drain the swamp and calling everybody out fake news. He threatens their existence. His presence threatens their existence and the thought of the democrats and the dnc losing that grip on power because of donald trump is just too much for them to handle and to accept so they gotta get an out. Whatever it takes and it doesn't matter if it means throwing out all of the things that we deem as important and valuable valuable to our democracy like innocent until proven guilty. Oh so donald all right. So what is your gut tell you you saw the statement you saw the supreme court you see these other. We know that they're going to be other judicial challenges That is what the role of that extra branch of government is. Do you see any of this going anywhere at this point. In time sean had not given up on the department of justice and bill barr. I have not given up on. Bill barr and his motivations. I do believe he wants justice and he will do the right thing. So i am expecting a full on investigation of these irregularities that we're seeing in terms of voting ballots that needs to play out maria. Thank you very much. Maria bar teramo. Eight hundred nine four one. Sean is our number when we come back. Newt gingrich's take on this here for our final news roundup and information overload. All right news roundup in an overload. Glad you're with us eight hundred nine. Four one sean. You want to be a part of this extravaganza so after well. Let's see how long what of the last four years been like and the world against donald trump it has been never ending. Non stop constant attack attack attack. Then we're getting lectures from the mob. The media everybody in between. Oh we have got to come together as one. I mike. we're gonna get lectured from you Just because we want free fair honest election and we want know exactly what is going on in and count the votes that we know are legally cast as if this is the worst thing in the world is terrible you know. Okay ari fleischer tweeted out. Resist overturn boycotts. Vail leak impeach. Now they're telling us it's time to heal. where were they. The last four years were eric erikson and had a good tweet really incredible to see all the people who spent four years demonizing republicans suddenly support an end to the era of demonization and a demand for unity after four years of burning down the country. larry elder four years. Attacking trump is illegitimate fascist. Nazi tyrant dictator racist anti semite russian stooge trader griff tres. Xenophobes sexist homophobic ignorant fat lazy. Now let's come together. Listen for yourself past four years. This president has shown us that he is a misogynist that he is homophobic that he is a racist. Fifty percent of america saw all of that and looked the other way to their brothers and their sisters and said. I'm going to vote for him anyway that i think is despicable. It is an american. That is the president of the united states that is the most powerful personal world and we see him like an obese turtle on his back flailing in the hot sun realizing his time as over the president's words for what they are which is the most incendiary and the most dangerous and the most flagrantly false lies. Among the most flagrantly falls lies. he's told as president and a moment when this country is in a fraught. Political state is really serious. Stuff all right joining us now former speaker of the house. Newt gingrich and mr speaker but watch stu now all weekend. You admit amazing in urinalysis again. Look how close this all is you know. Look at where we are with the supreme court. Look at what the state of pennsylvania you know. Alito statement Georgia now becomes the focus of so many of us wanted to get your take on why it's important that we begin a process where we can have faith confidence and belief in our election electoral system. Obviously it's a shambles. Well i think it's only in both My my message might newsletter Because constitutional process for electing a president who does not only to the news media involves voting having the votes counted then having if necessary A secondary look at all those votes then having the opportunity to go to court then having st louis. Look what's going on then. Having the electors actually show up and remember in two thousand both bush and send electors from florida This thing went on a long time. And i think It's clear that the left which which had done everything. It could to destroy trump and everything to protect by its rushed. Kids proclaimed biden. President is everything they can to pretend that he is president but the truth is not a single state has been sort of no one Still counting and many outstanding issues. And they'll be six eight major lawsuits in pennsylvania. She can wisconsin. Nevada arizona georgia so I think seeping the constitution and keeping the faith in the end. this will be decided by a process. Not by a press release was an. I totally agree with you on every aspect of this but i think this has got to be done systematically here number one my as the campaign talks about varying issues of fraud that keep coming up and we're examining every allegation and we're we're step by step you know i. It was very odd to me. The software glitch for example in michigan which we talked about on friday. Now that's used in forty eighty some odd michigan counties but it's also used in about thirty other states That should be a legitimate concern for anybody. That really wants a true accurate fair election result when you look at the laws. I never knew. The depth of partisan observers are literally written into the law in most states. And it's even supposed to be an open process to the public that they abs they can by law. Pennsylvania michigan wisconsin georgia elsewhere. They're you know all look at pennsylvania. Partisan observers may observe at the polling locations and watch the counting until the counting is complete but yet we know. In many instances it didn't happen How is what what. How do you and certify that election as valid and true remarkable book on the spanish players clue of nineteen eighteen nineteen nineteen a section where something about philadelphia loose in the country. And i'm looking i was born. We always thought it was the most corrupt city but so the idea of a corrupt machine corrupt local officials. They decided to steal the presidency Then they have been stolen votes. They cheerfully sit there and smile. And say i'll bet you can't prove and instead of like the mafia which is why. I tell people that the movie the irishman maybe the best introduction to what we're currently living through the sixers media i saw the president yesterday he'd had four of his tweets censored including one about me Rush the day before had four hundred six century Facebook has hired a chinese experts on censorship To work in office in seattle designing chinese style capacity to censor You go down the list. What she faced with his people. This is not just about an individual or an individual precinct. This was a nationwide effort zuckerberg poured four hundred million dollars in to increase in turnout only in democratic areas. And so you start going down this list and realizing how big the decca stacked against the deck is stacked against the american people and that's why this is so important. We have an absolute obligation to recognize that they can get away with this They may not be another honest election this country because they were able to take all of these techniques starting georgia on january third and apply them all across the country over and over and over again in a way the unbelievably destructive and turn the whole country and the california. Well you know if you look at the electoral map. But i think there should be a concern for everybody. I mean it's all. I said this all throughout this whole process. If you're a republican and you're running for president you have to run the table but you look at states. That were always wants him. Play for republicans. I mean people forget. Reagan bush forty one you know. California was a state. Reagan won twice. That's not that long ago but then states like virginia. They suddenly turn a little purple then. Boom they're totally blue. Then you look at you know the you see people leaving new york. They're moving to the carolinas. They're bringing with them. Some of the liberal views. They're moving from california to texas. They're bringing their liberal views people from new jersey new york moving in illinois moving to georgia. They're bringing the liberal views with them. So you know it's a little scary to me. It's sorta like this spreading out. They want to escape the cities that have a basically oppressed bureaucracy and high taxes and the bringing those policies and then then destroying states that have been far better to live in which is ironic. They're fleeing really bad one party government. They're fleeing very high taxes fleeing arrogant and destructive cookies and they promptly started voting for candidates. Do the same thing to their new state that they just fled the allstate. And that's part of the education process where where conservatives in texas or conservatives around the country have to give you an allergy about which are directly affected by caliban just communicate. You know. Don't don't turn this place into the one you left Because of course the politicians and the great example they had the most obvious open effort to create a corrupt theft of a state. Any place in the country when the state legislature. The governor deliberately rewrote the rules Adam lack salt. The former attorney john over nevada has has been doing a great job of highlighting and there are still six hundred thousand ballots in nevada that nobody has no republican has been able to to jam. Just your sense of the scale people. Slow down let the process work. Don't assume that the very people who lied to you about donald trump for four years. Now lying to you about the presidential election You know. And i think it's a real challenge. Let me go back to the institutional comment. You made about big tech. And i'm making this. They played a very big role in this campaign by censoring information. The mob and the media's ninety nine percent anti-trump then you've got the whole. Democrat is establishment. Then you've got the republican establishment. You know that you you know. They don't even want to hear it just because they so hate. Donald trump and my question is is when you have institutional forces align to this magnitude that would allow the phony russian narrative to go for four years Ignore the biden scandals. And then they would you know literally do anything and everything to just approve getting rid of donald trump at any price and accept every results even if it hasn't been fully vetted it's troublesome to me because they're seventy one million of us that think very differently and in that sense. We can all be disenfranchised and dismissed right. That's why this is such an extraordinarily important fight now. It is interesting that we've gained seats in the state legislature. Both the state house and state senate across the country gained seats in the us house We gained the governorship big fight in georgia. Which i have a hunch win. Because i think the chuck schumer has made a huge mistake and being to oakland into honest radical. He'll be if he can just see it. Those georgia's seats. And i think what people enjoy realize the consequence of voting to to Schumer handpick candidates That they will be Toast And we'll re elect a leffler and purdue but you know if that happens and frankly i still think there's an outside chance the president trump may be able to pull all this off the scale and the brazenness of dishonesty so staggering That it's hard to believe that in a free society. We can't find ways. Several hundred thousand ballots in wisconsin but are tainted for example Pennsylvania itself is such. A reasonable person can believe it. Pennsylvania's anything but stolen by the democrats Michigan's a little more complicated more all the time. Then it gives you notice by the way when there's a computer glitch it always happens to hurt the republicans so that was a nine thousand votes swing and county once. They figured out that the computer had quote headed glitch which i don't believe Also have you noticed when new batches votes come in there almost always providing surprise surprise. We just found fifteen thousand votes and savannah. Oh and guess what they're virtually offer by it you know. I don't believe that. I think what you have is. People were manufacturing about as they needed. It's really scary thought. Aren't you mentioned georgia. And you mentioned future elections. What is the best way that we can now guarantee because so many states do it so effectively free fair accurate elections with results that people go have trust and confidence in. How do we do that considering. It's the states that make the laws that govern elections. I think we probably need to have sort of an honest elections association after this is over and recognize we vanishes and state legislatures and he just go back and figure one of the lessons to be learned for this. What would it be accurate election. Look like and have a nationwide much like the contract with america. Says these are the five or the seven things you have to do in your state election law and then driving home and we could probably get. It passed and three fourths of the states in the country. Remember there's a republican majority in the legislature in north carolina and pennsylvania and michigan and wisconsin and arizona and in georgia So to the agrees with this stuff. It's sloppy and stupid. It's because the left has invested it making it sloppiest. The second thing you have to do is really openly publicized. How much zone assemble left to spend trying to capture Legislative secretary of state or the local county registrar been a loti efforts to get control of the election process. The united states for the purpose of corrupting it. All right mr speaker your bet on target the whole time. We'll continue. American people deserve this. This seventy one million americans that deserve to know and a full complete Investigation is warranted and justified before a winner quotas declared eight hundred nine. Four one sean. If you want to be a part of the program we're doing a special investigation when we get back Senior counsel with the g. l. a. j. c. illegal group has literally filed a complaint michigan. We're going to find out what that's all about. And more as we continue. Straight ahead sean. Hannity show if all this wasn't enough in antrim county were counted for democrats that were meant for republicans causing a six thousand votes swing against our candidates. The county clerk came forward and said tabulating software glitched and caused a miscalculation of the boats. Since then we have now discovered that forty seven counties. Use this same south ware in the same capacity. Antrim county head to hand. Count all the ballots and these counties that use the software needs to closely. Examine their results for similar discrepancies. The people of michigan deserve a transparent and open process. That was laura cox. We had on the program on friday. The great lakes. This is a michigan. Justice center has filed an action in wayne county circuit court alleging massive fraud and election voting counting procedures and other words. Like the law of michigan. Kind of like the law. Pennsylvania the law and wisconsin and like the law and a lot of places. Aren't i'm reading. Directly from law are an open process that may be observed by any interested person. There are election challenges. Poll-watchers though challengers have greater access to the process and by the way observers were permitted at polling locations observers may observe the absentee vote voter counting board at any time during the election. Observers may observe all county at law by the way m. Cla one six eight point seven three. Oh getting to know all these state. Laws post-election audits are to the public recounts are open to the public anyway. The great lakes justice center wayne county circuit court filed massive fraud in the election and voting vote counting procedures and they are claiming a constitutional right to election. Accuracy and integrity has been violated and that the constitutional equal protection rights election. Laws have been violated and they go on from there and Anyway david coleman is with us senior counsel with the g. l. a. j. c. is What have you discovered so far that you can inform our audience about well. Thanks sean pleasure to be with you. And we've discovered a lot You know. I'm like most people at first. You kinda hear stories. You don't really know if there's much fact to it or not but as we started getting calls late last week and over the weekend we found out there was a lot of meat on the bone here. And there's a lot of things going on we outlined in our complaint and then the affidavits that we attach and direct fraud Ballots coming in for example and poll-watcher pole challenger viewed this directly himself. A ballot comes in. They checked the person's name to see. If they're around the voter file they're not registered and instead of setting that vote aside in counting it. They go to their computer. Pull up the name of somebody who has not voted yet remember. This is after election day and then they count that ballot on that person's Voter record and so they count the vote. Even though the person that sent in the mail in vote is not on the registration so that kind of fraud is going on. They refuse to re. They ordered their workers to not review signatures. They ordered workers to Backdate when the receipt of the mail in ballot came in You know because they had to be received by election night Eight o'clock how many affidavits to you. Now have the. You're presenting to the court. Well what we presented to the court is the six or seven affidavits with the real serious allegations we have. I don't know probably a dozen or more that and more and more calls coming in. We're still trying to sift through it. I think people are finding out that we're out here and have actually filed a lawsuit. We're getting contacted today by a lot of people so i think we just hit the tip of the iceberg john. Let's talk about this computer. Glitch that laura cox was just talking about the took place. Apparently it software that was used over. Forty of the eighty. Some odd counties in michigan She up to this point. I understand not no other glitches been caught. Is that something that concerns you. Yeah it's a big concern I've heard rumors that dominion Software that was used here in michigan and elsewhere around the country thirty states. At least yeah right right. And so of course. That's a big concern. But i have heard that a few of the other smaller counties have gone through and that their vote totals were accurate so again. That's our whole point in this shot. This is not to determine who should winner who should lose. This is important that we have fair and open and transparent elections if the people lose faith and are elective process. They're gonna lose faith that the people who are in charge in an elected office have the right to be there. That totally undermines our system of government. We can't have that this type of fraud that's been going on and wayne county has got to be dealt with. Let's talk about the law and why it's so important that if we have election laws and this is what i guess is so troublesome to me And and i understand. The campaign is they. They have investigators looking into allegations of fraud. Okay but if we have specific laws that guarantee an open process which i think is critical and then we know that that even partisan observers that are written into the law and many of these states are denied the ability to actually look at the ballot and observe. How do you find a remedy for that. I'm i'm picking your legal brain here. Yeah well that's why we filed this lawsuit and we've asked for injunctive relief to stop the certification of these results in wayne county and to allow for the court to look at. What's going on here. The gentleman mr larson who saw that ballot fabrication. I was telling you about earlier when he brought that to the attention of the officials. They're the election workers Actively stopped him from viewing and seeing what was going on he walked out outside of the room for just a moment to confer with some other lawyers. He came back and tried to get in. They refused them. Admittance and they would not let him in and in fact many of the poll challenges that were there were denied access and could not get back in under all kinds of excuses and pretenses. There was really no reason for it. There's a lot of harassment. Show a lot of a lot of blocking the views of these challenges trying to watch what was going on it was it's really reprehensible what was going on it really is so sad you know when you think about you know and i would think that everybody would need to hear some of these stories and they see that laws may be were not followed that would bring a concern on on the side of the left as well And the saddest part is all the confusion that occurred all the length of time it takes to actually count the ballots and get an answer and you watch in a vote. Total that starts out with one candidate up by five hundred thousand losing by thirty eight or forty thousand votes on. How are people that have have any trust in that system. Yeah you hit it on on the head there sean. That's that is the problem and why we've brought this lawsuit. There has to be a sense by people. In general both sides that this is a fair process. And if it's not it really doesn't matter which side wins. It's not a fair process. It's gonna lead to more Discord and problems in our country. We just can't allow this to continue. I think all done. We'll keep us up to speed on this. David coleman from michigan. We appreciate you taking time to keep us updated. Thank you thank you sean. Let me go back. I mean there's been. I'm listening to all of the you got another postal service. We had one. I think it was michigan last week. With project veritas. James o'keefe this one in pennsylvania Guy by the name of richard hopkins going on on on record. Alleging the backdating of election ballots and we now have confirmed. There is a federal criminal investigation into this. The postal inspector contacted you today in pennsylvania. What did they say to you They asked me the same questions. You asked me yesterday. When i'd seen what i've heard and we're asking you had any more information or whatnot. You witnessed your supervisor backdating. A ballot to november third did not witness them backdating it. I was witnessed some talking about back. What did you hear them say they were talking about. How the floor. They had posted all the one of the all one of the Ballots that were picked up as the third. The have warned that they made a mistake. And poke smart. You heard robert wisn bacher. Say this to daryl or darryl. How did it. How did you hear proper. Darrell robert were saying to daryl to two. They made a mistake on the ballot and they should have backdated the november four th ballots in november third correct. And you heard this and Since you did the interview with me in the shadows what what has happened to you at your employment. They were taking an action against you today. i'm not for sure but they are bringing up stuff that happened in the past so they brought up old allegations against you today. That were already adjudicated. And they brought those up today. These inspectors what was the. What was the nature of your conversation with the post office officials that reached out to you today about this about our interview up. They said that I was i'll because of certain factors. I was kind of implicated as one would hang out so they wanted to get in by side of the story because they wanted to start an investigation into this. I think this comes from above them. And that's what. I thought it was sort of stack. I just think they were just doing what they're told james. O'keefe project veritas. Let me play another thing that we found about details emerging from observers prevented from watching the votes being counted again. This is a matter of law. The media mob doesn't care about law. Big tech doesn't care about look. Democrats don't care about law stablishment republicans. They don't care about law official came out Kind and access to sign documents and a few moments later. We were asked to leave will. I reminded me racks. Leave within ten to twelve minutes when they had an hour and a half kind of left to do for further away than i am from you. All here Hundreds at least one hundred feet away from open ballots that go back out of our sight. We can't see them. We don't know what's happening to them. it's just there's no way for us to meaningfully. Observe the process let us out meaningful continued. Count the nothing to help us. They are not letting every legal well the call like well. Actually the law matters paula's in north carolina. Hey paula hurry. You well frustrated and scared you know. We've got to keep up this fight and if there's no integrity for the election process if it's not guaranteed we're gonna lose the country and i. I grew up in detroit. Sean i was born there and it has a long history of mayors that have been corrupt. I can see where something like this would happen. Kinda the back door type of stuff going on and then as you look back in the past summer you just see how the democrats it seems orchestrating. When they prepped will he give up the seat. What if there's a contention. It's almost like they're getting the the public prime even election night. You know it was like they were ready for this. I came out calmly. They said you know we're going to preserve this. We want to unite. These are all lines and yet as as details continued on scold. You see how you know what this wasn't just one night you know where everybody was surprised but this has been developing for a long time and they knew this would happen. And it's very frustrating. And i have two sons and i i'm concerned about our future and we cannot stop fighting and you gotta get to the bottom of i. You know we got to get to the bottom of this has to be. And here's what i my. Point is ben paula. We have microsoft have silicon valley. We have apple you telling me we can't run an election more effectively where where we have. Faith trust confidence in the results. That's all that's all people are asking for here and it is amazing. How quickly other people got to the answer. Some states they get done they get it done quickly. They get it done right unbelievable anyway hanging there. Let not your heart be troubled. Everybody's fighting hard. I promise you and thank you. That's going to wrap things up for today. All right you know. I wanted to say this I know this is hard for so many seventy one million americans. I know that for a lot of you. it's painful. I know that when you look and watch and and and see and hear from people and and believe that laws have been violated and people saying they weren't allowed to observe the law allows them to observe et cetera et cetera. The one thing we're going to do is what we always do on this program on hannity tonight at nine and that is we're going to do what the mob will never do such a close election. Ted cruz lindsey graham. Ken starr newt gingrich. Pete hegseth jason chaffetz. Hope you'll say your dvr. Join us nine eastern on the fox news channel. We'll see you then let not your hearts be troubled. Let not but let it be committed towards liberty and freedom at all times for our kids and grandkids. We'll see you tonight. Back here tomorrow. Hi i'm cj pearson. And everything young block and unapologetically conservative generation z. Is tired of the bs. Tired of the cancel culture indoctrination and tired of being told what to think. Join me each. And every week is i take on the let uncensored and unafraid listen to see jp uncensored every thursday on the iheartradio apple. Podcast river you get your podcasts.

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