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Get ready to hear the truth about America on a show that's not immune to the facts with your host. Dan Bongino, five of the Dan Bongino show producer, Joe. How are you today hand what a morning I'm doing okay, though. I know. All right, no time and it screw around Joe and I both have a stack show today to get to you. So let's get right to it folks. Here's what I want to cover today. There were some just incredible revelations yesterday the came out both with regard to the investigation into the Trump spying scandal. What happened to their team. Also, there was some very, very cryptic traffic. They came out last night about a dachshund scandal up on the hill, a staffer from Sheila jackson-lee office, democrat Senator, excuse me, democrat congresswoman who released some of the personal information from some of the senators. Mike Lee and others during the judicial committees vote for for for Cavanaugh to release from committee. This is a. There's more to this story folks, something going on here and you know, sometimes there's open questions. I don't have all the answers all the time. I'm digging I'm digging for you, but I want to throw out to use them that this could be a bigger thing than we think they're letting on. All right today show brought to you by our buddies that I target. I target is the best system out there to improve your proficiency with a firearm. When I went through law enforcement training, three times two times through the police academy as a cadet, and then as police recruit in the secret service, one of the things they do to teach you how to proficiently use your firearm is teach you how to try fire, dry fire is safely depressing the the trigger on a safely unloaded weapon, of course, always made sure. Check-check twice. Check three times, make sure it's loaded pointing to safe direction down range, and you pull the trigger on safely. 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My wife was a little surprised. Doxa sing is the releasing of someone's personal information on a internet platform, social media, Facebook, web pages, Wikipedia, whatever it may be. It's disgusting and happens a lot. Unfortunately, it's up there with swatting is to with the most disgusting things the liberals do to us. What is swatting? Swatting is when people call nine one one and say, hey, there's a barricaded hostage or whatever, and a house of the. Someone they don't like and what happens. The swat team shows a pokes. You know, I, I know you lot of you have very busy lives. This is what I do for a living. I'm telling you this stuff you may see that come on, doesn't happen? No, no, no. It does ask a lot of conservative commentators out. There's happen to them. I think Eric Erickson who used to write for red state and now is at crtv. I think it happened to him not that long ago. This is disgusting stuff. So the allegations are that this guy, Jackson Cosco who worked for he used to work for Maggie Hassan and apparently worked for some Senate offices as well as democratic unpaid in terms working for Sheila jackson-lee and the story about how he got caught releasing the personal information. Let's be clear. We're talking about in this dachshund instead of Mike Lee Republican Senator and others on the judiciary committee. During the vote there, the story of how he got caught is interesting and begs a number of very critical questions folks. Number one, how did he get caught? Well, as it turns out, Twitter has a bought running in the background or an algorithm or whatever it may be. I don't know accurately how to describe it. I'm not necessarily tech wizard on this, but has a program running in the background that detects changes originating from IP addresses up on Capitol Hill. I guess it's for monitoring political things or breaking news. Folks have to be candid. I'm not really. Really sure. I just know that's how it happened because it's it's, it's been reported multiple times at various press outlets, and I have articles in the show notes about so Twitter has this this program running in the background to detect changes coming from Capitol Hill Twitter, strictly strictly forbids dachshund. You are not allowed to release the personal addresses or cellphone for IB, Joe. This is obvious, you know, for all our knocks against Twitter and believe me, they're no friends. Conservatives. This is smart policy. You don't like Joe Armacost. You don't release his cellphone number on Twitter, so ten million people can overload his phone dumb, but you know, no one's accusing the radical left of being bright. I mean, these people are police. They tyrants and we don't expect them to actually do smart stuff. So once this change came from Capitol Hill, Twitter detected it. Now Twitter flag did show because as I told you, it forbids dachshund and they noticed that the changes were made to what to the Wikipedia pages of Mike Lee and other Republican senators. And on the Wikipedia page, their home addresses and. Phone numbers were included now. The phone numbers for one of the other senators. I believe it was hatched we're not accurate, but the home addresses were real, and I believe the phone number for Mike Lee was real too. So it was changed on the Wikipedia page. Twitter immediately flagged it and Capitol Hill was notified capitol Hill's notified. An investigation starts right away and Joe, interestingly enough, what we find out if you read some of the charging documents and some of the material surrounding it. This individual Jackson Cosco was caught on Tuesday night. At a computer that was not Sheila jackson-lee hope. Why is that important? Because that's who he was interning for. She's a congresswoman, but it wasn't her computer. Whose computer was it? Folks. Why was he charged with seven different charges, including witness, tampering, witness, tampering. Who was like, wait, I thought we were talking about dachshund. We are. And I've listened. I'm being candid when I don't know. I don't know. I am feverishly digging to try to get to the bottom of what the hell's going on here, but I don't wanna leave this story behind even if there are open questions because it's this important right now with regard to the cavenaugh hearing. Was this an act of pure unadulterated, political coercion, and intimidation? Who was he working with? Was this guy working with someone else? Why do I ask that? Because he wasn't at Sheila jackson-lee office computers was the at someone on the Senate side. He knew from a different intern opportunity. Where was he who gave him access? How much access did he have. Witness-tampering. What witness was he tampering with. There weren't that many witnesses up on the hill. Who were the witnesses, Joe Kavanagh and blahsy Ford. Were they looking up other information to where they looking up Kavanagh's information? What was going on here. Folks. I don't think we've heard the end of this story. Now. I've got a lot to get out. I wanted to well on too much when I don't know. I don't know what it doesn't make sense to city for half an hour talk about. I'm just telling you that expect when I get it, I will put it out to you immediately. I'm working on it, but this is not a simple dachshund case. Yes, that's the core of it that they released it for me, but I'm telling you there's something else going on here. There's a burglary charge in there. There's a witness, tampering, charge, a burglary charge. Did he burglary? Was there an intrusion into someone's office? He shouldn't have been in. Action, jackson. He seems to these seems to think so, yeah, it's going to be detained and potentially a jail Jackson soon. Iran, in sling Jackson, yes. Pretty soon. One more interesting note about this Jackson Cosco who's the alleged of done this. Is a cybersecurity grad suit. Oh, is he? Oh, isn't that special? And he was caught in a computer that he doesn't an office. He doesn't work for. Dude, Aleve you with this final question, who else was he potentially working with. Was it some group on the outside. Folks again, tell me how our government is not a complete swamp of anti-trump deep state inside. Tell me again how we're all crazy. I want answers to this and you should do. This is bigger scenario than just laid out. And he said, even some of the press reports are kinda hinting at some stuff going on, hey. Let me just talk again. Again the articles in the show notes today. Fox News article, it's really good, describes some of the open questions I just addressed. There's another article. I paint me to put it in the show notes, but I want I left leaning outlets like Yahoo news, it kills me to give them cliques, but I think it's important, especially given this pivotal moment this red line in American history, the cavenaugh nomination process that you understand what's going on and at least get a flavor for what the left is thinking right now. And one of the few ways to do that, sadly is to put up left leaning outlets and see how they describe what's going on. So there's a Yahoo news article, give it a shot, read it, describes the three scenarios coming up and it describes him from a left leaning perspective, and I wanna lay them out to you because the left is not done what I say that three scenarios, I'm still talking about the cavenaugh nomination just to be clear. The dachshund incident was the exposing personal information during the cavenaugh hearing to intimidate people. This is about the three scenarios going forward. Now, where are we at now here. Where yet. McConnell has scheduled the cloture vote for Friday a potential final confirmation votes on Saturday, which is again, I think brilliant move, do it on Saturday, get this thing outdoor in the weekend. Now I'm telling you as I've warned you now multiple times on Twitter, this I'm basing on very, very good connected in formation. I don't want oversell it, but expect again on precedent that chaos on Friday and Saturday. Just like I warned you last week about all the stuff that was coming. You can expect more on Friday and Saturday. We could potentially have Justice cabinet by Monday. I say, potentially because I have no idea how bad it's going to get this weekend. All I know is that the planning stages for making it really bad or ready. They're already way downstream. So that's where we are. We're looking at a potential Saturday confirmation vote here the three scenarios. We have an vote scenario number one and up vote. We get fifty one, maybe fifty plus the vice-president Kavanagh's Justice cavenaugh by Monday, again, expect chaos, no matter what scenario. Number two we already discussed this, so I don't want to dig too deep, but it's in the Yahoo piece and I want you to read it from their perspective because it's the scenario number three. That's interesting. Scenario number two is down vote. We don't get fifty plus one, and I believe cavenaugh will then be renominated. It will become an election issue for November. We've already discussed that. I think that is the if God forbid is down vote. I believe that would be a brilliant political strategy, which would absolutely bury the Democrats at the polls. I've got some information on that to how the polls are changing. This was a disastrous overplay by the Democrats. Scenario number three, just kind of related to one, but I broke it out because it involves some details here. There's an up vote, followed up by immediate calls for Kavanagh's impeachment. The Democrats make that their election issue. You heard it here. It's very talked about and demands for recusals on just about any case heard in front of cabinet, which would be any case heard at the supreme court, right? Because they'll say what show they'll say, oh, his angry fiery speech. He gave makes him a partisan actor and he can't rule on union membership or abortion rights or second amendment out of it. He's a partisan actor. There will be a calls for recusals on every case they've done this, the Clarence Thomas for years. So scenario, threes and up vote. And the Democrats then in turn used for the November elections, the impeachment of Brad Kavanagh along with the impeachment of Donald Trump, it'll be the double is impeach impeach followed by calls for immediate recusals on every case in front of the supreme court for Cavanaugh. You may say, what's the good news? There is no good news. We're in a fight. What did you think it was? Good news. You're in a street fight. The good news is we win his good news. You still getting punched the only questions. What's the less bad news? The less bad news is we exercise, as I've said to you and try to motivate you have less few days, raw political power. Now, our raw political power, we win elections. We push cabin onto the supreme court. We win, you lose the new rules when not doing it delicately when I try to be cute nice about it anymore. It is about raw political power now and your desire to win. Do you want to win or not? Now we don't win at all costs. The left wants to do that, but we win at the costs necessary to still maintain our moral backbone and whatever we have to do to win November. We are going to do. Again, I have no good news on scenario three, they will be unending calls for recusals and impeachment the left never stops. The question is, will you. You don't wanna fight and you don't have it in you. That's fine. You're always welcome here, but please back away back away from other people and don't. Week now I'm sorry. But weaknesses contagious. That's why. When I train, I train around monsters in my gym. You squat three fifteen. I'm putting on three twenty three twenty. I'm doing three twenty-five. Weaknesses virus. Don't contaminate anybody. Else is fight is coming. Fight is here. You got it in your what I know you do. I read your emails. Folks. What leads me to believe you do have it in you and you are. Ready for what's coming. You're in that fire that's deals getting hard. And right now is because one, I read your emails, but Secondly, I'm looking at the polls. Let me give you some quick updates on how badly this is blowing up and the Democrats face folks. North Dakota, Heidi Heitkamp democrat in a deep red Trump state. She is the incumbent. She is now down to challenge your Kevin Kramer the Republican by twelve points. This is a dramatic shift since the Cavanaugh disgrace which Heidi Heitkamp has been a part of as I keep saying North Dakota, your turn step up. I know you got it in you. I know you listen. We do sophisticated analytics on his program. I see the bubbles. I know you're there step up under no circumstances this Heidi Heitkamp get your vote. I can't tell you what to do. You're responsible adults. I can't envision a circumstance where Heidi Heitkamp gets your vote. She has done nothing but destroyed help destroy this man's life and cavenaugh. She's finished Kevin Kramer is your guy. Missouri joss Holly Claire, mccaskill hollies. Now up eight Napoles they were dead. Even if an Holly was down at one point, Claire mccaskill and incumbent red state democrat has been awful on this Claire. Mccaskill has been awful on everything, Missouri Europe under no circumstances should Claire mccaskill get your vote, bring ten friends to the polls, Claire mccaskill political days. Thankfully appear numbered. So to Heidi Heitkamp's. They have played a role in this disastrous treatment, disgusting imporant treatment of bread. Cavanaugh finally, the enthusiasm gap when people are pulled likely voters, how important is this election to you? The Democrats had a ten point gap. In other words, ten percentage points. More of Democrats said that the selection was more of is very important than they did Republicans that's down to not only is it down to two Joseph, it's within the margin of error. You are fired up folks. I know I don't have to do this anymore, but gosh, I ran myself. I put my butt in this race at one point. I'm not trying to don't care about any pats on the back. I'm just saying, this is these are sacrifices that need to be made right now. It's going to be a little bit painful. It's going to be a little uncomfortable. Go volunteer for a campaign. I think Kevin Kramer joss Holly, they lose your, do they beat your guy in a primary? This is no time for that. This is this is time the link shields and move on. Get out there volunteer, ten, ten and ten. Bring ten friends emailed ten friends. Call ten friends, get them to the polls. We have got to win. I was asked to again by people to to mention one other race, right to Pennsylvania Senate race with Lewis at Lou bar leda Pennsylvania Trump won that state closed the gap. Casey, get him out. There, there's no excuse Tennessee. Marsha Blackburn, she beat your candidate, whatever it may be you like or you don't look. I met her. I like her. You got to vote. I don't care what the what is Bredesen's says, I don't. He's not a Republican, he's not with you. He will flip on you in a minute. All right. I got a ton of Spike's folks at again, I the show so stacked today. I don't even know where to go. There was some just Joe and I were trying to get audio. That's why. You're not gonna notice it, but we got on the air a little bit later. 'cause Joe's? Good. Let me get this out of the way. 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He drops a nuclear bomb on this spy gate thing that I have suspected for a long time. I just didn't have the number. What was it. Let me quote Mark meadows. There is a strong suggestion that confidential human sources actually taped members within the Trump campaign. Okay. So like what was? Yeah, but he gives a number which is fascinating. He indicates enjoy it. Listen, Joe, and I will try to get this audio for tomorrow. We'll have it. We'll get it. It's just he's been working, but the way they had it set up, it's crazy. He gives a number. Which is fascinating. This is there may have been up to five people who were recorded. Really. So my wife was in here this morning. She follows a spy gate case because it's been my life since I wrote the book the book launches next week, but it's available. Now Amazon, you order, you will get it, please, please. Please go get it five people. Who are the five people that may have been spied on and recorded in conversations. Notice he doesn't say intercepts. He says, recorded intercepts would be emails recording a phone calls recorded. I'm assuming meadows means, and I think based comfortably on some research we did for the book that he actually means physical like recordings. Well digital, but you get what I'm saying conversation show. Now, let me again say, I'm speculating here on who up to these five people are, but this beg some very serious questions. Let me give you the lead first. Where are the tapes? Are they scope Atari and who the hell of those five people? Now, I think we can comfortably assume. Who three of them are. Popadopoulos is probably one of them. Carter page is likely another one and Paul Manafort is probably the third. Now I'm going to give you two alternate scenarios here about who these other people could be. Again, I'm speculating a bit on this, but I'm speculating based on a body of research. We've done one is more likely, one is less likely. Let me give you. Let me give you the more likely scenario. I. Both are devastating. The second one is horrifying. Second scenario. Scenario. Number one is those two additional people could have been Roger stone and Mike Flynn. Mike Flynn who of course was Trump's national security advisor before he was let go, you know, the the allegations of lying, which I believe or nonsense, but was Mike Flynn recorded. Was Mike Flynn recorded in conversations by someone working in collaboration with the United States intelligence community and law enforcement. If Mike Flynn was recorded, what was he recorded saying? Was what he was saying, culpa Tori. Now we know he was recorded and unmasked that we know we're, we're fully aware of that. In other words, they telephone recording with Kislyak which was the subject of the Muller investigation where they, they discussed how the Russians would vote on an on an Israel motion at the UN and potential sanctions that was the subject of Muller's interview into Flynn. We know that but other actual physical recordings. I put that out there because it would fill in a piece of the puzzle. A lot of us have been asking for a long time is why did Mike Flynn becomes such a target of Bob Muller follow me here, Joe, if I get confusing, Sammy please. But this would scenario number one here I'm going to give you scenario to in a minute, but the Flintstone connection here. But to the recording, not to each other would make sense my operating theory the entire time in my book based on a lot. It's footnoted to death is that the Muller pro again, is a smokescreen to avoid uncovering the real scandal. Huge was despite being operation on the Trump team with no evidence to do it. What are the open questions the entire time. Joe is always been, why the hell did they target my win? It made no sense. The f. b. i. acknowledged after interviewing Mike Flynn at the White House, they acknowledged that there were no signs of deception in their interview. Yet Bob Muller doubles down and decides to dedicate the full assets of his team towards prosecuting Mike Flynn for false statements to the FBI that the FBI themselves acknowledged were not deceptive that do you understand? I get it. These small details get lost in space, but you understand how that has been a monstrous open question from day one. I mean gigantic and size. Why would they target Mike Flynn? It made no semi's the Flintstones. You, this is where they there been a couple of theories of this. The first which I believe has some merit. It was Flynn's objection to the Iran deal. The Iran deal was the bedrock of the Obama administration's foreign policy. The Iran deal was corrupt from the start, the exchange of cash pallets the wiping out of some sanctions on Iran. The remember I told you about the John Solomon breaking news, the Iranian deal where a FBI informant alleged that the Russians were helping Iranians build their nuclear program and that the informant new uranium. One deal said this to the FBI and yet they still approve your sale. Urania what'd Flynn know about the Iran deal with these such a threat to the Iran deal that Flynn how to be taken down by the mother team? The Iran deal was correct. Number one, corrupt number two is a bedrock of the Obama legacy. If it was exposed this corrupt and the deal was. Supposed as being awful for the United States, which it was Flynn was going to be one of the lead targets for them. But was there a secondary benefits you tracking that? We're good right listeners. I believe we are when is a target because Flint did not support the Iran deal. Matter of fact was a vocal opponent of it. He had to be taken out. He was the former head of the DIA, the Defense Intelligence Agency. There is no question Flynn new stuff. No question Flynn had to be taken down and the Muller team was the perfect vehicle to do it. They were going to charge him with something anything flying to the FBI. They charge him with even know the FBI didn't think he was deceptive. But Secondly, if Flynn is one of those quote up to five people who were actually recorded. What's in those tapes, Flynn must know what's in there if he was recorded. Why? Because he was recorded. Was what's in near exculpatory when I say scope, Tori meaning was what he was recorded, saying an indicator of his innocence, not as guilt. And his innocence in this entire scheme. Therefore, the scandal becomes watch, oh, oh, the scandal of Flint is innocent becomes the recording of Flynn, not Flynn's role in a scandal. He wasn't a part of please tell me you're tracking. We are tracking one hundred percent. We got what Flynn must go away. Because number one, he doesn't support. The Iran deal was vocal against it and he knows the corruption. Number two, the fact that they tried to record him on tape being corrupt, any wasn't corrupt. The scandal becomes that he was actually recorded what he did nothing wrong. So they got to shut this guy down. It makes perfect sense. It makes perfect sense, especially in conjunction with the fact that he was already the subject of an unmasking scandal where his phone calls were recorded, and he was reversed targeted. Now, the only reason I bring up stone is being the potential other target here. Of the recording. Remember just backtrack a bit. Mark meadows set up to five. People were recorded in spied on. We are comfortable with the three. It's probably Manafort page popadopoulos. I just suggested you Flynn. The reason I bring up that it could be stone. Roger stone is because stone is now a. Muller is been relentless relentlessly going after stone, relentlessly, going after stone. He has been on stone for months now, and it would make perfect sense again that if they have recordings of stone just like Muller, excuse me just like Flynn, Joe and a recordings are. In fact, skull Patry not an indication of criminal action. The scandal in itself becomes the recordings. The fact that political operatives were recorded, you'll poverty that is the scandal what better way to shut these guys up than to charge them. And throw them in the clink what better way to do it. They, you know, they're going to come out and go public at some point. So that's scenario. Number one. Flynn and stone. Scenario. Number two, you know, I- Paul, I can. I can forward there a lot before the show and. A little hesitant to put this out there, but I think it's worth taking a risk on folks given what we're dealing with here. I'm basing it on information at this point that we put together for the book. I'm also basing it on. Another explosive bombshell launched yesterday that James Baker former FBI council met up on the hill in a confidential behind closed doors, meeting with hill investigators. This guy was the big lawyer for the FBI during this during the scandal and according to multiple reports, please, please read the show notes today. This is all in there from the hill that's at Bongino dot com. Please read them all. He seemed to indicate yesterday sources indicated that Baker said. That they met the FBI attorneys with at least one attorney from Perkins cooing what the hell. Before the election. So. Chris. Joseph times with these shows, I. You may be saying, I don't get it. You will. The lead FBI attorney who is intimately involved in the entire investigation spying operations, Donald Trump, and we know this, we know from the tax we know from his position, he was the head Jenner. He was the general counsel for the FBI. The biggest lawyer in the FBI with the most influence us deeply embedded in all of this who's intimately familiar with the woods procedure for verifying information used to spy in the FIS accord. Oh interesting. He goes up to Capitol Hill and indicates that they met with at least one attorney from Perkins Kui. Perkins coup was the law firm hired by the Clinton team to hire fusion GPS to spy on the Trump team. So let me let me let me get straight here. The FBI is working with the political opposition raw research law firm for a presidential campaign during a campaign season folks. Do you understand like you might say out there, we already knew that? No, no, no. We never had somewhat admit to it. I didn't lose you by the way. I want to get that out there because scenario to, however. Strange. It may sound a not basing it on pure on a dull to rated speculation with no corroborating evidence at all. Had FBI lawyer according to reports is that would mid that the FBI before the election was meeting with Hillary Clinton's law firm that they hired to go dig up information on Trump. What is this Cuba what the hell is going on here. Now, because you're so right in on this because you listen to my show. This isn't breaking to you the breaking news day now have it on they now have it on record. Yeah. There's no defense to this now at all. Now, let's get back to this. Scenario number two about who the heck are these five people who were being spied on and allegedly recorded now by the government on the Trump team. Could those five people. The two were in question. Could one of them be done junior. Folks. I, this would be. I mean, the the don't even I'm running out of adjectives really hate hyperbolic. I just don't know what to say. I don't. I mean, the mother of all bombs. Was the was the president's son recorded. It may not be. But who are these five people. Let me propose to you a scenario here. Do you remember the tweet by Donald Trump that started this whole spy gate investigation? Joe, I just found out my wires were tapped and Trump Tower, and everybody said, oh, he's crazy. Yeah, Don lemon said world dumber for having heard that Don rural dumber for having ever listened to your show if you ever mistakenly came across it on CNN. But one thing we figured out about Donald Trump, Joe. He's obviously an emotional guy, obviously cares about his family and he cares about what happened here, but he's not dumb. That tweet is never made sense to a lot of people. And now the tweet act interesting to keep talking about my book. But the reason I bring this up is the tweet actually starts my book because the tweet is what makes all of this happen. Nobody's ever accused Trump of being dumb. I mean, serious people. You know, of course, radical liberals call them whatever they want, but he's not stupid. That tweet went out for a reason. Who was in that meeting. At Trump Tower when vessel sky of the lawyer shows up the meeting that, of course, everybody knows about that vessel sky arena like mention and the translator shows up at Trump Tower. The meeting set up by Goldstone to meet with Don Jr. and it's it's, it's the famous alleged we're gonna pass information about Hillary stuff, and they show up to talk about Russian adoptions and Magnitsky. In June meeting at Trump Tower. Was someone wearing a wire. Who would explain who the two other people are. Who would the two other people be. Don Jr. Jared, his son-in-law they were in that meeting now. So was Manafort, but remember do the math with me here meadows said yesterday, we're up to five people who may have been recorded. He didn't say intercepted. He said, recorded. Again, my sincere apologies when we will get the sound for you. But this is too critical to not talk about because we're missing a soundbite. I quoted him before those five people have scenario to, and again, I wanna to be clear speculating a bit here, but I'm not doing it on the lack of information. And the first chapter, the book explains all of this. How that tweet was not an accident. It would be page popadopoulos. Manafort Kushner, and Don Jr. if that scenario, if that scenario is true. Now, again, I believe it's more likely that the two people were probably Flint and stone based based on the targeting of those individuals by Muller. You get what I'm saying, Joe, because I've always always asserted. And I continue to believe that the Muller operation is an effort to shut people up. It's an effort to shut up the key players in this who were spied on who who's now they dollop, who is Muller arrested and prosecuted in conjunction with it. The j. popadopoulos Mike Flynn, and he's going after stone, which would make the spying of them spying on of them, which is the real scandal go away quickly. If you can shut them up by prosecuting them, I believe that's the more likely scenario I've asking you to entertain the second scenario because it makes a world of sense based on the connections of the people in the room with the meeting with Don Jr. Jared Manafort we have the Trump tweet, you may say, Dan and fair enough. You may say fairly, that's a loose connection. That's a loose connection saying, hey, the tweet about the Blyth found out my wires were tapped and Trump Tower. He was talking about tap, not necessarily recording. It's not just that folks. The Don Jr. meeting we now know that Natalia Veselin sky, the Russian lawyer who shows up at the meeting alleging to have dirt and Hillary. I believe this was a setup from the start was working with fusion GPS on a different case who was hired by who. Perkins Kui who we now know that the general counsel for the FBI has admitted, they met with up to tell me you're tracking here. The lawyer that shows up with Don Jr.. Who I'm telling you may have now been recorded. The lawyer who shows up is working for fusion GPS. Now it's a different case, but it's the same company fusion. GPS is higher by law firm. We now know met with the lead lawyer from the FBI during the case where the hell Jim call me right now. So Jim, you didn't know about any of this. Now you see why Jim commes become a partisan hack on Twitter. This guy's probably crap in his pants right now. You telling me Jim. Dan chip commes lead lawyer in the FBI according to multiple reports has now admitted up on the hill. They met with the law firm that hire people that orchestrated this whole debacle. Folks was somebody recording junior with somebody recorded presidents kid and his son in law. We already have another guy in a meeting who's allegedly connected to Russian Intel. Ach, not mention and another translator with a history of working for Hillary's State Department and a publicist in the room who seemingly comes out of nowhere to set this meeting up. I mean, he has connections to the Trumpy, but he's never done this before. Why. Folks. Who are the plus two. We know the three Papa d. we know it's page and it's likely Manafort all those plus to God forbid Don Jr.. And jared. Member Trump already knows all this. Ladies and gentlemen. This is looking like the biggest political hit job in American history. I have never in my life seen anything. So disgusting. I mean, this is this is the most grotesque abuse of power in in the history of the United States government, you know, you may say, we had teapot dome and all that stuff and Watergate folks. We've never had the ability given technology, the ability to intercept record the depth of the deep state bureaucracy. We have never had the ability the technology or the means to abuse surveillance dragnet like we do right now, and it's becoming clear as day that the Obama administration had something to do with this. Let me tie that up for you too. Persist gets worse. For we get to that may just get paid for the show. I can. I mention one sorry to take a break your for you. But a again, I'm getting a little emotional and I don't want I wanna yell. This is important stuff. I'm having a live signing folks on October ninth for my book at two PM. It's a live online. They'll be a Lincoln. Today's show notes. All you do is click on the link. I really be honoured if you'd show up. I'm trying to make it special, and I really did this for you. I'm not big on live signings and stuff like that, but a lot of people ask me for signed copies. I deeply appreciate it. If you'd show up, we'll put the link in the show notes today. I will put the link on Budgie dot com. It's Tober night. The two PM eastern. 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So now we know according to the FBI general counsel and reports that he'd indicated they met with Perkins coup lawyers before the election and on precedent that abusive FBI power to be meeting with the political opposition team. We know who did Mrs. Clinton bring on board. We know this for multiple reports. Now that's been out there publicly for a long time who did Mrs. Clinton bring on board as her lawyer and legal adviser right around the time before she announced she was going to do a presidential campaign. Mark Elias, ladies and gentlemen, Mark Elias who has worked with Perkins coup for a very, very long time. When I'm suggesting to you is this plan was set up from the start folks. I don't believe this was an operation to just spy on one particular person. Donald Trump. I believe at this point, as I said to you repeatedly that they were operations being set up to spy on multiple presidential campaigns, potentially Carson Ted Cruz and others. I don't think this just started with Donald Trump. Donald Trump won the nomination and he became the logical target later. But I'm going to walk through these facts here because this is critical. Around April twenty fifth right around the time, Perkins coup act, Perkins coup activity equal twenty. Fifth of two thousand sixteen, it's the heat up. Perkins Kui is is working with the Obama is, excuse me is working with the Clinton team and lawyers for Perkins Korea, working with the Clinton team. We know now the FBI met with Perkins coup right before the election FBI general counsels. Now apparently admitted to this. Who else gave a massive payment right around the time. This started to Perkins coup. Oh, FAA. Used to be Obama for America. Now it's organizing for America. So let me tie this thing up for you folks in a in a in a in a cute little package here. Put a ribbon on top. We now have a suggestion that up to five people were recorded recorded by the intelligence community and effort to examine investigate and potentially prosecute the Trump team. We don't know who those two people are. The two extra people. We speculate it could have been Flint and stone, which explains Muller could have also been Don Jr. and Jared in that meeting in that meeting is a lawyer. Is a Russian lawyer who is also working for fusion GPS on the prevalant case. That Russian lawyer is working for a company hired by Perkins Kui and paid for by Mrs Clinton to go dig on Donald Trump. We also know that the law firm that hired the company that hired the Russian lawyer. That law firm received a payment not long before that in April, the meeting happened in June. Received a payment from Obama's former campaign arm. Obama for America. It was an organizing for America. This was his former campaign or it was a hundreds of thousands of dollars of a payment made. We also know the Clinton team before they even announced hired Mark Elias, sweaty history, working with Perkins kooky. So jesting that this was not some fly by night operation folks. Now, even more disturbing. Baker, the FBI council that apparently went up on the hill and divulges information has said that during the two thousand sixteen election season, Joe, that they met with at least one attorney from Perkins CU. We at least. Who were the other ones. Now. Let me read to you from John Solomon's piece on the hill. Yup. I'm sorry before I get that because I don't want to lose this. I started with the lead. I and the great part about starting with the leaders. You know where I'm going. But if I don't wrap it up, it kills the point of. So when we were talking about the up to five people who are recorded. Question number one was who with two other people, but I said to you to other takeaways and the leads are. Where the hell of the tapes. They were recorded recorded. That means there were tapes, Where're the tapes, and are they escape worry. Folks, what's on those tapes? How do we know. How does meadows? No, that people were actually recorded. Well, he gives a hint Halen interview that it's due to the tax, the tax Peter stroke and Lisa page and others sent to censor themselves the tax. You know, the texts, Pete Peter stroke was the lead investigator in the case Trump case if anybody knows what's going on. He does page was another lawyer for the FBI working on the case working with Baker. May I suggest to you in those texts folks? I have this big bold letters to remind you haven't been a former investigator myself. That there are probably one direct references to tapes or some kind of recordings. But Secondly, that in some form of Email text or charging document, there may be direct quotes. The wreck quotes from people, how would you get those. Joe, how would you get them? I have to listen to you now. There's only two ways to listen to you. One. I can have a conversation which, oh, I'm back. I'm having right now. I can be writing down Joe. Tell me what you eat for dinner. Last night Joe's said he h shrimp shrimp cocktail and flog rob, which he didn't. I assure you. What's the other way I can get the quotes by recording you talking to somebody else. It's obvious. Meadows is not making this up. There investigators who've looked at these texts were probably looking at direct quotes. If those are quotes and they weren't talking to Peter stroke. Joe obviously, Todd, junior talking to Peter stroke either was might Flynn, except for the interview. Later on that there were probably quotes of conversations. Peter stroke wasn't in on. Are those quotes expeditionary? Are they indications of their innocence? That's the key question. If they are, where are the tapes. Where are the tapes. There better be tapes if there were recordings because Joe, if they're not pace and those tapes were used as evidence, do you Joe? You're not a federal investigator, correct? No, I wasn't. Dan. Do you think destroying tapes would probably be a big deal? Just the guy I think destroying tapes would be a bad thing. Dan big. Oh, you do guy's brilliant. He's like inspector gadget over. Thank you, Dan, doodoo through. But I used to love that show folks. Where are the tapes? What do they say. The people who are read in on this Solomon, Sarah Carter meadows and others. You hear them keep indicating newness member, the newness translator. That there's a Scopus, Tori evidence out there indicating that the Trump team was innocent that they did not do this did not collude with the Russians. Now I've told you what I believe a lot of that is it's probably in the FBI three, oh twos and the summaries of their interviews with people Bruce or and others. But folks I hadn't considered. I have to be candid with you. The possibility that there may be recorded conversations out there that are even more damning not for the Trump team for Obama. The, oh, Bob administration may have been spying under political opposition while the full whole time having recordings indicating this thing is bowl. Above you, get it? Oh, yeah. All right. Let me just read to you from this Sean Salman piece because this is just terrific in shown. Please read this. Quote. It means this is talking about the James Baker. The lawyer who met now is saying that the FBI met with Hillary's basically Hillary's legal team. I mean, this is just. So freaking bad. It means the FBI at good reason. The suspect the dossier was connected to the DNC's main law firm and was the product of democratic opposition research effort to defeat Trump yet failed to the close to disclose that information to the Pfizer court in October of two thousand sixteen when the bureau applied for a Pfizer warrant to Savell Trump campaign advisor Carter paid folks. This is not a small thing. You and I have known forever. The dossier was a political document paid for by Perkins coup and fusion GPS by the Hillary team, but now knows member Komi with Jim Komi and all his interviews during this book thing was like, well, we didn't really know paid for the dossier that lawyers saying he met with Perkins coup, Jim, did you miss this? Do you understand how this refutes every main player in this scandals fundamental defense Ono who. Really. Really, you're an unfortunate victim Alicia show the fact that you already know everything because we expose that six months ago. The point now is not the repeat to you that this was a political hit job. The point is to repeat to you that the people who've been denying, it's a political, hit job have nowhere to go anymore. The FBI lawyers admitted they met with Perkins coup, how did you not know that the dossier was paid for? How about that. Moving moving on from the same piece in the hill. This is a bombshell that unequivocally shows the Rio collusion was between the f. b. i. Donald Trump's opposition, the DNC, Hillary and a Trump hating British Intel officer to hijack the election rather than some conspiracy between Putin and Trump a knowledgeable source told John Solomon. Bakery's interviewed by lawmakers behind closed doors on Wednesday sources declined to divulge his testimony others than to say, other than to say confirmed other evidence about the contact between the Perkins coup law firm than the FBI. Folks. I'm not trying to boy to death here with this stuff. I'm just trying to get out today a running out. You have to be able to debate. You're looney tunes liberal friends to shift the public opinion from the media driven narrative that Russian collusion is about Trump if Russian collusion is real, but it's about the Hillary team. The evidence is now overwhelming. Jim commes denials because the now we're, they're going to move. Watch. Watch this, watch the lift and ship. The media is going to move in the next few weeks or days to a well, you know, all right, the dossier, once the documents declassified, the dossier was the was the main vehicle USA spy on the Trump team. And yes, it wasn't verified, but the FBI did know why because that detaches them from Obama. It was Obama's the OJ running this thing. Right, right, right. Do you understand how this Solomon piece completely annihilates? That line of thinking it was Obama's campaign arm that paid the law firm that was meeting with the FBI. They were meeting with the FBI that completely isolate. They have nowhere to go. Jim Komi is not telling the truth. You telling me as lead lawyer was hiding this meeting from them. This is insane. Please, please read the piece. All right folks. I got a role, but I want to leave you with one final listeners sent me an Email morning and you know, I read a lot of them, but. This was really important, and I agree with them and I'm going to bring this up. He said Dan with everything going on with Brad Kavanagh on this character assassination is this ruthless disgusting. Nonsense. It's happening to them right now. He said, you know, it's probably a good time. You have have a lot of younger listeners to remind them. Nothing's fair anymore kids. I'm sorry. I don't mean. You better understand now everything you do from thirteen probably before thirteen. Given the ruthlessness and the liberals in the media, every single thing you do when you realize you really smart, you're gonna reach positions of prominence later in life. Some of you are going to be CEO's high powered lawyers, doctors, maybe politicians, maybe leaders of federal agencies, cops, whatever it may be everything you do will be the subject of ruthless character assassination. Once you're out in as a conservative, I'm not trying to scare you, but it was a great Email and you know what? This is my public service announcement for the day, everything you post on social media. Every picture you have drinking. I've I'm, we were kids. We took pictures all the time at house parties, everything everything is going to be subject. Once you reach a position of prominence later in life to a character assassination effort. I'm just warning you now with facial recognition, technology bar. Cameras and other stuff in the future folks. I'm telling you if you're listening and you're thirteen or older, you better be damned careful what you put on social media on Instagram, who you give your party with how you party making mistakes, any of this stuff. None of it's going to be forgiven. Cavenaugh. What happened to him is opened up a Pandora's box of stupidity that will never be closed. Democrats liberals in their media buddies have now figured out that they can go back to high school and destroy someone's reputation for the rest of their lives. I'm telling you be careful on your Snapchat. Be careful on your Instagram, be careful on your Facebook, be careful and by the way it goes for adults to. I mean, I'm not lecturing anyone, but this is going to be ruthless in the future. You are crazy putting anything out there on social media that makes you look even mildly foolish. You're nuts because it's all going to be out there in the future. The minute, you get appointed to a corporate board and someone finds out your conservative. We have crossed the Rubicon of stupid. No, turning back. All right folks. Thanks again for tuning. And again, please join that live signing on October nine next week. That's my book launch. Please pick up the book today. Spy Gatesville on Amazon, put a lot of work into it and all this will make sense. Once you get through it, really appreciate it. And I'll see you oughta mar- you just heard the Dan Bongino show get more of them online anytime at conservative review dot com. 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Democrats are banking on the Trump effect to motivate voters and win a majority of congressional races. When you look at the data. Look at the counties is America changing forget the candidates. I don't mean again. I don't mean that disrespectfully the candidates. I don't mean that disrespectfully will the Democrats win the house and the Republicans in the house is America changing. I to Assode we've explored to potential reasons. Democrats might not take back the house gerrymandering in Nancy Pelosi in our next to a besides we're going to look at two reasons. Democrats might win in the first one is the biggest Donald Trump traditional standards, partying control of the White House loses seats during the midterms and this election is probably no different. But Donald Trump is also changing politics. He's changing the party's. He's even changing how Democrats and Republicans run for office in this episode. We're gonna look at how Trump is shifting certain districts into democratic control. We're gonna talk about the challenges some Republicans face because of these party realignments, we'll discuss how Trump is changing congress. Basically, we're gonna talk about the Trump affect and all the messy meanings of that phrase. And we're going to start at my favorite place in the world. Capitol hill. I met fuller in this is the wave. I do want to talk broadly about the effect that Trump's having on the party's. He's having on politics. The direction of things I mean year, you pretty active on Twitter. You see how that sort of world works the best in the worst. Yeah. What how Trump of changing the party's you think? Well, I think he's been a wrecking ball to institutions norms and also your political parties that's democratic rep Eric swallow from California he has a lot of thoughts about Donald Trump. But one idea is pretty much in line with how a lot of Trump voters viewed the now president that he'd disrupt Washington, I will say honestly in some ways, you know, norms needed to be busted up. I just don't think he has any idea how to rebuild. You know, he he went to a lot of places during the campaign and identified people who are disconnected from opportunity and the way that Washington traditionally worked, whether it was Republicans or Democrats was not reaching those people. But now I see that they're not better off. They're still disconnected. They don't have infrastructure. They don't have schools for the kids. They don't have healthcare that gives them a shot. And so he may have identified the problem. He may have toward down some of the the norms. But there's no building that's taking place. There's no ideas. He he don't he doesn't approaches. I think is a big blank canvas in his trying to create something new. But in the meantime, I see that he's certainly divided us in many ways, and I see that inside and outside of congress. How do you see him affecting the races for me hasn't been as active a role in these races? I probably imagined he'd be for Democrats running for congress in. Yeah. Well, she likes to think that he has helped get a lot of the Republicans across the finish line. Whether it was in the primaries or he's taking them out of the race. Whether it's governor Sanford, Mark Sanford who lost in South Carolina. I think certainly. A lot of democratic candidates have stepped up to run because you know, they were disturbed by what they saw in wrecking ball presidency. I've met with so many candidates across the country who told me that eighteen months ago, they didn't really imagine themselves as candidates for congress and his presidency and what he was doing was a call for service for them. So he's inspired a lot of democratic candidates. I think Republicans right now are twisted over incumbents about whether they want to embrace him and just row in the same direction. Or if they want to you know, see what it feels like to go against him. And whether they can whether that I don't know if they can whether that if he goes after you, I mean, he got some pretty I would say endangered incumbents who voted against him, but they don't speak out against him. It seems like he's okay. Generally if you vote against him, but if you speak out pub. Publicly against him. That's when he turns for swale. Well, Trump is making it harder for Democrats like him to work with Republicans, particularly when he sees GOP colleagues. So scared to speak out against the president. It's fear. I see the fear. I mean, it really is being afraid that he's going to go after them or that his base. You know, we'll go after them, and they're they're allowed base. But when I take a step back and think about it. And again, I I look at this. What I do if I was in their position because there's a lesson to be learned here, not just, you know, admiring their misfortune. It does seem like Republicans are scared to break with the president that they stay silent about so many tweets, so many statements stories press conferences scandals even administration policies, but Republicans countered that they do conduct oversight who say this doesn't make headlines that's host freedom caucus, German, Mark meadows. He's one of the House Republicans closest with Trump. He's also the subcommittee chairman of government operations on the oversight committee. Anything's Republicans are holding the administration responsible. That's going to be the narrative. I mean, if I were a democrat, that's what I would be saying. And and I don't know that those are always meted out with the actions in in our oversight committee. I'll give you a prime example when Elijah Cummings was concerned about. Separating of kids at the border. I was concerned about that too in. He had a whole letter of from all the Democrats saying that we need to investigate this. Well, it was a little bit provocative, and and as it should be. He's just trying to make sure he makes his point. But I told him I was willing to join with him. So he, and I put together a letter bringing people in forcing in become into testify on that particular. So so those areas if they're not political in nature if it's really about transparency in about good government and making sure that we do things correctly. I'm willing to join in on that now does that necessarily translate into the voting populace. I don't know that it does. And most of the people that made up their minds on that. Most of the Democrats have made up their mind that the president is guilty with regards to Russia collusion. In terms of real oversight. We just had the general counsel for the department of homeland security come in. We subpoenaed him and made him come in for sworn testimony on what I believe was inappropriate behavior, holding not only FEMA, and and other heads of agencies accountable. I think you have to do that regardless of administration, regardless of party. But here's the here's the interesting thing is these cycles coming go. This is not your first rodeo mad. Yeah. You you've been here, you've covered it, you know, that when Henry Waxman was head of Oji are and there was a democrat administration. There wasn't any subpoenas. I mean, they go back. Check the fax. I did go back and check the facts for the two years, the Democrats controlled congress under Obama, Harry Waxman, wasn't the chairman of your oversight committee adult pounds was and he did subpoena the administration multiple times. Mostly over documents related to the financial crisis. Still all take meadows point the Republicans. Have subpoenaed this miseration, and actually we have issued more subpoenas under Republican administration from GR? Those are the facts numbers. Then Henry Waxman did when he was, you know, had the gavel, and it was a democrat administration. What we've also seen this recently this list of investigations Democrats over I think, I think a lot of that is true. I would never have put together the list. But I think that what what you're, but the other is is you get that list. How many of those are really truly wanting to look at oversight, and how much of that has a political component to that some of those are very legitimate. And now, and the vast majority of them very legitimate. Some of them are just truly trying to. You know, make a political point. So do you wanna go see you have the list? Go ahead. I mean, you might as well ask the tough question. Matt I will ask the question because this is about as close as you get to that moment in any hall when you say, well, I happen to have Marshall mcluhan right here. The list includes President Trump's tax returns, Trump family businesses, Trump dealings with Russia James co means firing Trump's firing US attorneys Trump's transgender ban for the military Steven Mnuchin business dealings White House staffs personal Email us that was a big one for Republicans cabinet secretary secretary travel. We've had all these scandals with cabinet secretaries. Yeah. But some of those have been gone. So so so there are both legitimate on that list, legitimate, concerns and political. Here's the thing is I'm not one I put out my tax return and at the same time. That's not something that I believe is a legitimate concern. Now, here's the here's the fundamental difference. A democrat believes that you come to Washington DC to get rich because they see all of this. Stuff. A Republican believes that you come to Washington DC to represent the people go back home. I can tell you. I did much better in the private sector that I'm doing in Washington DC, and and in terms of sacrificing financially, you know, all the ethics and disclosure things that you've got actually are in net negative in terms of making money now. When you when you look at transparency, if somebody, you know, me if somebody is using the federal government, whether they're Republican or democrat and they're getting financial gain. It is wrong, and I will go after Tom Price issues of of private it was wrong. It was foolish. It was not something that I condone. He's no longer here. He's talking about former health and Human Services Secretary, Tom Price, by the way in his use of private planes for travel, and and so to that stint. Yeah. We we have to be wise stewards of the tax payers money. And so they're going to find a very genuine partner is some of those oversight areas some of the other areas that that you start to look at, you know, well, I don't want to suggest that there's a policy at place, but there's different standards based on an and what I don't wanna be accused of and I have been accused. But what I don't wanna be accused of is that if there's a legitimate concern in terms of wasteful taxpayer dollars or going against the rule of law. Breaking the raw. That's why Cummings knows he's heating count on me on certain areas to do that. I'm not going to be the protector of any administration, regardless of party. It's tough for me to know what to make of that. Because I believe that Mark meadows believes he'd go after a government official wasting taxpayer money or in themselves. But I also think meadows knows in his heart of hearts, there's a lengthy list of. Items that Republicans aren't investing that they probably should be meadows. Did just admit that their items about the Trump administration worthy of investigation, which is a little newsworthy. I guess. What I am. Sure of is that Mark meadows has cozied up to Trump. But in his telling that's just reality of this president. Yeah. I mean much has been reported about my relationship with the president. Obviously, you know, that there have been good and bad moments in that relationship over the the first couple of years in the administration, but I do get to talk to the president on a regular basis. I think how it changes things is. And I hear this even from Democrats. This president is willing to engage personally with members of congress more so than than ever before at least under the previous administration. And I think that catches me and other members. Really by surprise. I can tell you prime example, head couple of colleagues one democrat one Republican come to me and say that they wanted to talk about term limits and wanted to talk to the president 'bout term limits. So I was able to set up a meeting with the administration. I think they thought they were going to come in and talk to some senior level official. But here's a bipartisan meeting happening in the Oval Office on term limits and the infamous tweets that probably your listeners complain about on a regular basis actually on that that day you had both democrat and Republican freshmen members encouraging them to tweet out his support for term limits of which he did. And but but it has changed the dynamics. And and that's that's one of one of the ways that is done that meadows talking about a tweet from the end of April in which Trump said he had a bipartisan meeting with freshmen. Lawmakers about term limits, and they have his full endorsement, but other than a tweet which a lot of lawmakers do seek out in Washington. There isn't any real movement on an issue personally other than well-known televise meetings with lawmakers, I don't see Trump engaging with Democrats that much at least not significantly more than Obama did with Republicans, but not every Capitol Hill reporter agrees. I actually think he's better at dealing with congress than Obama was in many ways that's Jake Sherman one of the co-authors Politico's playbook despite our disagreement, but Obama's engage with congress, Jake is probably the best source reported in the house. He's also writing a book about Trump's relationship with congress the hill to die on with his playbook co author Anna Palmer, he has relationships with so many members of congress. I'm not saying you piss off a lot of members of congress. But like he talks to a lot of rank and file members of congress. And there's positives and negatives to that the positives are he has a good sense for what a lot of different factions in congress think whereas Obama felt like. According to a lot of reporting by other people Obama kind of felt like John bainer had a point of view, and he can never deliver. His guys Trump has a pretty good idea where different factions in congress are at all times when he's trying to get something through congress doesn't mean successful getting infrastructure, whatever a lot of different priorities through congress. But he talks to Mark meadows. He talks, Jim, Jordan. He talks Kevin McCarthy talks to Paul Ryan. That's already more contact in the rank and file then I imagine Obama had based on my reporting from those days based on what I could recall. So that's one thing. I think another dynamic that is particularly strange, and we'll have to see how this plays out in the next thirty. Something days is. Do voters vote against Republicans. Even though they support the president, which we're seeing their somebody districts around the country where the president's right side up which is an phenomenon that I really don't fully understand it. I don't think anyone understands this point. Right. Basically what Jacob sayings that? There are Republicans who are gonna lose districts where the presence approval rating above water, in some cases, like Dave brats district the presence approval rating over fifty percent. But one of the reasons Jake uses to explain this phenomenon. He's Republicans a lot of campaigns are trying to split the difference on Trump with their voters. I don't think the I'm going to disagree with him when I can. And when he I need to really works. I don't I think it's a it's a soft argument that kind of puts people in a mushy middle that were they have no definition, and I could be wrong. I could be totally misleading and it's difficult to make broad brush observations on races from far without spending. A lot of time in one place or another. I just think I think that being with Trump is either being with him or being against him. So my view of it is a little bit different. Right. Like your base is already going to have a tough time showing up in a mid term. So if you are not fervent about the president, how do you what's the argument to get your base out? Let me put it this way in perfect conditions with the president with relatively strong approval. Ratings Republicans would still lose the house of representatives. Right. We know that based on history. So with the president with somewhat not good approval ratings there even more likely to and in a district in a middle of the road district a nominal district where Republican really has to turn out his or her base to win. How is an argument that I'm some sometimes going to be against the president get your base out. Jake is basically saying there's no middle road here for politicians districts, where Trump isn't that popular you have to make a choice. You can't be sometimes Trump and the truth is we haven't seen elected Republican really be never Trump Jacobs saying if you're a Republican your best shot electorally is to just get on board with the president. I mean, there's a theory. There's two competing theories generally in house, politics, right? There's the we need to talk about when I'm against Trump when I'm not against Trump or we need to just forget, Trump totally and talk about the local issues what you've done for the air force base. What you've done for cleaning chemicals or anything, and that proposition is being tested, even more. So this this time around because you see in a place like Colorado, Mike Kaufman's down by a dozen or so points. He's pulled it out every time when everyone else thought he was going to lose. So I think he could pull it out again. But the question is is the climates overpowering that even that which is usually seen as a pretty safe road that even that kind of goes by the wayside essentially Sherman. Thanks Republicans have choice either embrace Trump for they completely ignored in focus on local issues because the other option of calling Trump out when you disagree with him doesn't seem very sound. But all those strategies could be flogged. On the localizing the race. Right. That's always been the Republican mantra. That's always been this pathway for them that look we don't need to run a national issues. We can always localize races. We don't have a national playbook like the Democrats do and that's been successful for them. Do you think that that could still be successful this year or they just running up against this huge tide? I think in some places it will be successful. Maybe the problem is this isn't we're not we're in an era where members of congress actually don't have a lot of control over local issues. They can't your Mark money. So they're they can't spend money at home. The government is not closing military bases anymore. So they could say in many cases members of congress say I helped the military base may or may not be true. But if you get that into the bloodstream, maybe that helps, but there are not really a ton of ways to talk about local issues in an honest way. If you're a member of congress, you could talk about for example, the opioid Bill and how you. Support a Bill to try to cut back on opioid addiction and opioid addiction. Big issue and your district fine fair enough, and maybe that works, but you don't have the ability to talk about local issues in the same way anymore. What Sherman is saying is that even though Republicans of run a lot of successful races on local issues. The last several years it's getting harder particularly with Trump and the D triple C's making sure that's the case. I would just add you only get one first impression with voters. That's Tyler law. The D triple C's national press secretary. He also thinks Republicans have a lot of bad choices this election season. And if you're a candidate, and you only have so much time to make that impression. Do you want them walking away saying oh that candidate doesn't like Trump? Where do you want them walking away saying, I'm pretty sure that candidates going to try to lower healthcare costs and protect social security Medicare? You know, you only get one opportunity often with the attention span, I would say of voters of everyone, and so focusing on the issues that matter to people are deeply personal to their everyday lives is critically. Portent and one more point. I would just make about Trump's influence on the midterms Republican said that they needed to be laser focused on selling the tax Bill, for example. Well, he does not allow them to focus on any coherent message. They can't go a day certainly not a week without having an answer for his scandals outrageous behavior his tweets, so it has really been a detriment to House Republicans. And the last thing I'll say is they said they're going to localize all these races. Well, he has made that impossible for so many of these Republicans while I know that was a strategy imperative they laid out I have not seen Republicans anywhere successfully localizing their races. Tyler law might only slightly overstate the case in a couple of races. Republicans look like they might be able to stave off the wave through local issues. Mike boasting, Illinois is funding some traction by running on steel jobs, and some of the California Republicans might survive by running on water issues and the gas tax, but certainly national issues like Donald Trump and healthcare pervade every race. Here's how I think we view Trump and his impact on the midterms that's murder. Kelly the D triple CS communication. She's Tyler's boss in both of them spent the last two cycles at the triple C. There is no doubt that he is sort of a dark cloud that hangs over the entire house battlefield. And he is a problem for Republicans. Every scandal. Every tweet every new development with the Muller investigation voters are very well aware of they hear it through cable news twenty four hours a day and often they hear it through Trump's tweets. And so if he's a dark, cloud, it's constant, and it truly harms the Republicans because voters are very well aware on a daily basis of what's going on in Washington and the chaos and the harm that is being imposed by both Trump and the Republicans and sort of their their full control of Washington. So by no means is he a non factor. He's his both depressing significant chunks of the Republican voter, right. The Republican party and animating, of course, Democrats and independence and many moderate Republicans. So then you when you sort of stab list, and of course, it makes voters want a check and balance. There's no doubt that that sentiment is not out there that being said, I think that creates a lot of room for Democrats, then talk about the positive side, and what they will actually do to make voters lives better rather than just saying it's sort of like show don't tell essentially Meredith Kelly assaying Democrats don't need to talk about Trump. He's on every voter's mind already. Just a quick note. If you're listening to the show, I wanna thank you. We're doing our best one four people though issues related to the midterms. But it wouldn't matter without great listeners. Like, you would like to ask you to review the show on apple podcasts or whatever app. You're listening to maybe go till a friend or share the show on Facebook or Twitter every person you share this with one more informed. The twenty sixty presidential election was not normal. That's guardian reporter Ben Jacobs. He's been on the front lines of the Trump for years now and on top of saying smart and soothing things on podcast. He's pretty much the prototype of a political reporter, but politics of the twenty six presidential election. We're not normal and what we're seeing now in the midterms is what the new normal is. And that we removed in a lot of voice, we've Hillary Clinton's from from the equation that this and a lot of ways and the same thing that see Bannon saying who's perceptive on stuff. This is a referendum on Trump this scene. You know, whether Trump voters are happy with Trump brought happy with Trump and whether those who voted against him. Are. Thicky son think he's made America great again or want to get the heck out of there. So. Everything's Trump a main that it's about how you deal with the supping Trump's permeated, our culture. I mean, that's the things that this is a way that hasn't happened the Saturday Night Live is not just about you know, it's about Khania wearing a magic that the NFL we've had an entire football season. It's died down with healings about the effect Trump that Trump is so deeply built into the everyday fabric of American life that this this a lot of places referendum bed. And it's how folks feel about that. And how they're motivated about it because you know, voting for Trump and twenty six teen also didn't necessarily meant you liked them. It meant you for quite a few people that you disliked him lesson you just like Clinton, but the question for midterms is will Trump voters go out and vote when his name on the ballot? That's a good question on the second question is even code. But when his name is on the. Ballot will vote Republican a lot of Trump's, you know, Trump on a significant number of Democrats, and the type of districts that are going to be up and play particularly in the upper midwest, you know, that that's also the question that the Trump voters that we're talking about how many of them voted for Trump in how many of them voted against Hillary Clinton. And there's a significant number of Trump voters, Trump Democrats who voted against Hillary Clinton. That's the question the midterms is that the Republicans who voted against Trump in there, certainly a lot of them in suburban areas still motivated to vote against Trump. But no particular reason to vote against Hillary Clinton anymore. It's true. Hillary Clinton isn't on the ballot in some ways. Trump is even though he isn't a big question for Republicans is whether those voters who showed up for Trump two thousand sixteen we'll come out for them in the midterms. Just as Democrats are wondering who exactly will show up for them. Well, I think the self identified Republicans or Democrats their bases are going to turn out again for anyone who listened to our first two thirds former orange g communications director, Doug, high, certainly the democratic base is very very motivated Republicans. It looks like there's an uptick in motivation. We'll see what troubles me is the number of Republicans who aren't Republicans anymore and have left the party because they feel the party's left for them. And with the exception of a couple of issues say maybe immigration, retire, certainly tariffs. That it's more of a personality over policies. And so when they see. I was I was overseas. When when Trump was overseas with the meetings with Theresa May with the EU or shoot me with NATO and with Putin, and it wasn't Barrasso. And you know, there are a lot of Republicans who have left the party who that's why they've left is. Because of that kind of embarrassment of gosh who were even supposed to be anymore. I think the challenge for a lot of members is they'll they'll tell you that same thing privately the can't say publicly because if you look at the polling, and if you look at what members here from their from their constituents from their primary voters, which is who they primarily here from Trump's overwhelmingly popular. What high is saying is that the Republican party is somewhat split. Yes, there Republicans who don't like Trump high himself tells us he wrote him Paul Ryan for president. But if you're a Republican the basis telling you that you have to support the president that's one of the Trump affects there's less middle ground in politics. The grip that Trump has on the party is about the personality not about the policies. And so what I try and do as an inverse of of how most voters look at all things Trump. They are fully invested in him. Not so much the wall the tariffs the tax cuts that's one of the challenges that they face. But again, ultimately, I think the question is going to be and we just don't know the answer how much are Trump voters like Obama voters in that when he's on the ballot? They are there when he's not on about they're not and part of that. I think is appealing away of Republicans away from the party. But the other are the again self identified Republican Trump supporters who aren't voting because Donald Trump's not on the ballot for them to vote for those first time voters showed up for Trump. What do they do? We just don't know one of the big questions. This election is whether Trump Republican show up if they do. Republicans have shown there's at least some pathway to victory. The most fascinating racist for me. It's Florida right now, that's Daniel Strauss. He covers governors races for politico. And if you're at all falling that covers race, it's a perfect test for the Republican and democratic basis clashing, the Republican nominee Ron to Santa's he has this ad where he's like, it's all about how he's a father and since his kid was bored. He's talked about Trump and read him books about Trump wanted to build the wall and make America great again by President Trump. He's also an amazing dad Ron loves playing the kids build the wall. He reads stories, then Mr. Trump said, you're fired. I love that part. He's teaching Madison to make America. Great again. People say Ron's all Trump, but he is so much more. This guy was not the front runner in his primary, but he won partially because of his close ties Trump and his his success. Why densification among Trump voters as? As the Trump candidate. But here's the thing that on the other side this ad is excellent for Democrats too. Because it directs their focus that this is the this is one of Trump's favorite people in the world. This is Trump's personal man in Florida. And we wanted to come out and the thing about Florida and the Florida governor's races out on the other side. The democrat candidate is some named Andrew gillum who was also not the front runner. He's handsome African American mayor from Tallahassee. Good speaker ran a pretty pretty shoestring come from behind grassroots campaign. He won. So for Democrats. They see this race as the essential showdown between someone who if you squint and turn your head to the side kind of reminds of Obama versus the proxy Trump. This is this is the best race a cycle because it pits. The the grass. Energy of both sides against each other in one of the most contentious campaign states in the country. Of course, Florida may be the most notable example of Republicans running on the Trump playbook, but every Republicans running the race on some version of Trump's methods. So what do you think Republicans have been running on? They have been running on the demonization of the other side that they are the stewards of not exactly a good economy, but sort of a a successful and a an era when America's coming back, and that they are the true allies of President Trump. I've not seen. I can't think of a candidate that actually says I don't like Trump, but you should elect reelect me they it's a lot of. I'm the true outsider. I understand your plight. I understand the opioid crisis. I understand rural voters. Those are all things that both Democrats and Republicans like to talk about. They looked at all the TV ads that Republicans had aired all year, and this this is more than four hundred thousand ads. It's more than a thousand individuals distinct commercials, and they basically don't talk about the tax Bill. That's Arthur Delaney. He's one of my colleagues at huffpost. He's my favorite reports sitting at the intersection of economic issues in politics Arthur's talking about a story that he and I didn't September that looked at all the commercials. Republicans at run we found that less than twelve percent of the ads even mentioned it. Right. So one in eight of the three hundred ninety six thousand as that they analyzed were mentioning this tax Bill. That's just a mention right in front of the beginning before Trump even took office. When after he'd been lifted Republicans knew that tax reform was top of their agenda, and the political theory of that is that it would be a huge winner because they'd cut people's taxes, and everyone would be really. A happy, and that actually made a lot of sense because when you come people's taxes, they have more money, and they like that. But then as the legislation started coming into view, this is you're not going to cut. Everybody's taxes. You say you mean, you're going to have a trillion dollar deficit busting tax Bill instill, it's not a certainty that everyone will get a tax cut. It was so weird. So the kind of by by doing a weird job of the actual policy muddied their own message very badly. I think that's the reason it's turned out not to be when it's not just that Donald Trump is like a dumpster fire. It every way possible. It's also that they're the policy itself. They kind of boost I didn't do what they said they were going to do before they started doing it. So in the absence of running on tax cuts the wall 'cause that's not being really being built. And then not even pushing for that this moment or are they are, but they're not really doing then congress food stamp cuts. Again, a thing that they're pushing for. Right. What exactly are Republicans running on cultural role for stuff? I mean, it's like support Donald Trump type stuff in the Indiana Senate race, which I've paid a little attention to their the entire strategy against Joe Donnelly, the incumbent democrat, and this is a red state. They're just saying he's he's Mexico. This man is literally the nation of Mexico. They have this notion that because he previously owned stock in a company that had a factory in Mexico. Joe? Donnelly is literally Mexico and the Senate Republicans have all these ads that say Joe Donnelly ships jobs overseas, and they're sticking with this even though they're guy. Mike Bron businessman, a former state Senator or state Representative himself owns a company that imports all these products from China. So they're sticking with Mexico. Joe even when their own guy is very obviously, far more a. A guilty. I guess you could say of outsourcing jobs, and it's a disaster. It's not even working the the racist like tied in Joe Donnelly is even a head in some polls. I mean don't know who will win. But it's it's a it's a great indication of how the tax Bill seem to be an electoral savior is just a non factor. What does this all have to do with the Trump effect? Well for starters, this is the Republican playbook. Now you motivate the base with cultural right items, you scare Fox News viewers to the polls with pictures of caravans of immigrants making their way to the United States. You make it about kneeling during the national anthem in Mexico. In owning the lips. That's a big part of the Trump effect in one of the implications. From that sort of campaign is that's much tougher for Republicans and Democrats to work together. Once during combs. I came to congress. I ran against Pete stark again Representative Eric swallow who was rated as by national journalists number one most liberal member of congress, and I ran in a top two primary promised my constituents do all I could to work with Republicans. I knocked on Republican doors as a candidate and had Republican, you know, help along with a lot of Democrats to win that seat in top two primary and my first couple years here, I found it a group called United solutions caucus being in the minority got bills passed and signed into law and for me when Donald Trump was elected. I saw him as the X factor that affected relationships. I had with Republicans, you know, some of it all take blame for because I would just get so angry about not standing up to him particularly on the Russia stuff. And then a lot of I also would say that they were just they would tell me privately, my Republican friends at just one of them said when he tweets he wins and other one she told me. I can't afford to have my head lopped off, you know, publicly by this guy. So I saw that they're just afraid of him. But one pledge I've made myself, and I've talked with other democratic colleagues is if we win the majority we should really do all we can in the first hundred days to try and give a lot of Republicans who survive and onramp onto a bike to work together bipartisanship. And I think there's four issues where we can do that. And we should start with those issues, and that's infrastructure, and the president's already said he would sign an infrastructure Billy's admitted to address to congress that's the dream act. He had Republicans and Democrats the White House and said you pass the Bill I'll take the heat that includes background checks after parkland. Same thing Republicans Democrats at the White House and Senator Feinstein was giddy because she couldn't believe he was saying, you know, do background checks and then prescription drugs, you know, you had a rose garden ceremony and said we need to reduce the cost a prescription drugs. So I think we should seek to work with them where we can. I don't wanna be as vindictive as we believe they have been to us in the last two years and see if that works because I do miss a lot of the bipartisan relationships, I've had I think we can be the congressman should have been twenty seventeen and we have an opportunity someone who. There's someone who came to congress on this problem solvers caucus. No labels ethos. You certainly shifted. That's the politics really the moment. Right. Yeah. You're right. I think for me it was being so involved in the Russia investigation. I think just in my personal Zampa was I wrote the independent commission. Legislation was a twenty year old intern on Capitol Hill on September eleventh happens if you look over when you walk in my office, you see this September twelve two thousand one Washington Post that had kept the next day that framed how I looked at things, but also the unity. I saw Republicans and Democrats on the capitol steps, you know, as September eleventh one into dusk singing, God bless America. And then getting to work, I thought Russia attacked us unity will be our antidote. We'll get together and fix this. And I was just running my head into the wall time after time as I tried to get Republican cosponsors. Oh, I have every democrat in the caucus on that Bill, which is not as easy as you would think and two Republicans, and it each inflection point, whether it was the Flynn revelations about talking to Kislyak, whether it was combing getting fired whether it was Manafort getting dieted, whether it was the Trump Tower meeting being exposed I would go back to the on the fence Republicans and say, okay, like now, can we take this out side of congress and have elders states persons and experts look at this. And each time I could just see the fear of angering the president. And that just made me realize that the the only way out of this would not be changing their minds. It would be changing Twenty-three seats. Again, Mark meadows, the American people. They do want us to work together. But this place is set up to not work together. When I got here, I was obviously, a fiscal conservative joined a group called, no labels. There was a freshman group of thirty five members. They will coming together both democrat and Republican to work in a bipartisan way, they patted on our heads and said, yeah, y'all go out and do it as freshman member will shortly after we started making progress both leaderships on both the Republican House side said, no, no, no, wait a minute, y'all shouldn't get along. And the politics of our different district started to get in the way. And so much is going to be blamed on on this president and the division there. I think that that is is really not the root cause of our difference. Essentially, Mark meadows is saying this, hyper partisanship is nothing new. I've got lots of friends on the democrat side, dear friends, and sometimes they can't admit it. And I always admitted I just shoot straight with you on that. But I've got several progressives. That in fact, one I met with just this week about how do we change congress? And so you have a progressive from Wisconsin meeting with a conservative from North Carolina to actually come together and say if we make this place work, it may mean that my measures his measures don't get done. But ultimately, we've gotta make this place work on behalf. The American people. Coming up a Republican running for reelection. But trying to split the difference with Trump. Navigate this. Where you still need. You know? You know, Republicans who voted for Trump to come out you still need Republicans who maybe have some reservations about Trump. This is seemingly perilous time even though it's New Jersey seven, and this is, you know, Hillary Clinton carried I district by thirty eight hundred votes. I carried it by thirty eight votes. Leonard Lance the five term Republican congressman from New Jersey. Lance is an interesting case because he's one of the few Republicans who voted against the GOP healthcare Bill who voted against the tax Bill was supportive of democratic efforts on the DACA immigration program. His district is lightly. Republican warned the aspects of the Trump effect is that districts lances suburban affluent and educated those areas are becoming more democratic still he thinks he can pull this out a catch up with him one night after votes. But we have a more recent indication because we had a governor's race last year. People talk about the Virginia governor's race. We had a governor's races. Well, and Kim go Donna lost the state by fourteen points, which is the same percentage by which Donald Trump had lost the state the year before she carried the district icier by thirteen thousand votes, Republican cats for state Senate carried it by twenty one thousand votes. In other words, it's a Republican leaning district. The next day, I meet with Lance in his office for more formal interview, I represent a suburban district on the east coast and the district is highly educated. And I believe that my views are the views of the overwhelming majority of the residents of the district, and I agree with the administration on certain issues. For example. I think the administration has done a much better job than the Obama administration on trying to defeat ISIS, and I give the administration credit. Tickly General Mattis, the secretary of defense strong supporter of Israel and favored moving our embassy from Tel Aviv to Jerusalem, and I am an opponent of the nuclear agreement with Iran, and I do not think that was in the best interests of the United States. There are other issues where I disagree with the administration the healthcare Bill the tax Bill, and I signed a discharge petition on the immigration issue. Of course to hear from land democratic opponent, Tom Mellano ski Lance isn't effectively insulating himself from criticisms that he's to align with Trump because he's not affected that. And that's what it comes down to. It's not particularly impressive to folks when he says, Well, I I wish that as it and Trump tweet lust that's his that's Leonard lances version of checks and balances. Well, I wish he would tweet less and my daughter, and my mother, and my best friend, everyone I talked to wishes the Donald Trump tweet us number one. He's not gonna listen to us. And number two. That's not your job is congressman your job as a congressman is to take action to affectively check behavior that is threatening to our country values. I also asked Malinowski but legislation to protect Robert Muller's investigation. A Bill which Lance is the primary sponsor of he has an answer for that the legislation to protect Robert Muller's go. Going nowhere. It has euro chance of passing in a Republican congress Leonard Lance supports guy for speaker of the house Kevin McCarthy who is on record as saying that about Muller should shutdowns investigation today. Sponsoring a Bill is not an accomplished. Sponsoring Bill doesn't do anything. We need sits actually going to pass bills that support our values and interests. You can't make that I asked Lance about Republicans providing that oversight of the president. What do you say someone who has been a traditional Republican in your district? But also again, once, you know, real investigations on Trump and just doesn't see that from this this congressional majority Republicans are hesitant to actually look at these matters. And if if Democrats held the majority, you know, that'd be more on the slate of priorities. I think that in the new congress whichever party controls the house of representatives. It will be the bipartisan center that will really be more influential and. It may well be that Democrats may gain control of the house. I think it will be very narrow. It's also possible that Republicans will continue to control the house in that would be by a narrow margin. And that I think strengthens those of us who are in the sense both center doing what is I think in the best interest of the American people based upon the views of the American people again Malinowski has an answer for that. To voters are not interested in the positions that we take they're interested in the results that we achieve and it's not particularly satisfying. Ten percent of the time. Our Republican congressman tweets out, disapproval of something that Trump has done when we know that Trump doesn't give a damn what our congressman things he has no ability to to track this behavior in most of the time. He doesn't even try. So if anyone in this district is concerned about the direction. Trump is taking the country. Many people are what they're looking for is a congress that connects or size. It's constitutional responsibility to apply checks and balances, and if we have if the win the mid-term number one broadly seen as victory for the administration. Number two. We will have a house of representatives that is incapable and unwilling of of exercising checks and balances. So what difference does it make if ten percent of the time our ombudsman expresses disapproval in the tweet still Lance things Republicans are providing that check he again, not favors them alert investigation in prepared to quote, let the chips fall as they may land says an divided congress. It'll be the center which has the influence to get things done in the district. I serve the most important issue is by partisanship pervades other issues of national importance and the people of north. Central New Jersey want us to work in a bipartisan capacity. They do not want government too far to the right or too far to the left, and I think in the new congress those of us in the sensible center will have greater influence because whichever party controls the house of representatives. I think it will be by very narrow margin. But even with Lance acting as a relative moderate in the house GOP voting the healthcare Bill in the tax Bill. Tom Malinowski says Lance really isn't that moderate so on healthcare voted more than sixty times to repeal or gut the Affordable Care Act and for years end bragging about the people's him. Now trying to. Different position. And it just it exemplifies people the district how this guy has convictions principles. It doesn't actually make them see principle because again, he ran for years on taking down the Affordable Care Act on DACA voted dream act when he's up that was what? To shore up his Republican base. Now, he says he's for the dreamers because he scared losing reelection to a democrat. It's not the kind of behavior that engenders respect from either Democrats or Republicans. It makes them seem like a weathervane. We all know that weather vein. Can't change the way the winds blowing people in this district wanted to change the way the wind is blowing. What does this mean? What's Trump effect on these midterm elections in politics in general? Well, we're seeing Trump's affect right now the closing argument for Republicans is not the record on employment or their tax Bill. It's fear. It's a cultural war. It's a caravan of immigrants over a thousand miles away from the US border. Some Republicans try to navigate Trump by focusing on local issues or just ignoring the President Trump is in effect nationalizing races using his old playbook of demagoguery and Democrats said so I let Trump is normal divisive self betting that their voters will show up to the polls in a key number of the Republicans who ushered Trump into the White House will not. Democrats are also betting. The voters are changing we've been seeing this trend for a few years now, but the suburban affluent educated voters voters who are once lumped together as country club Republicans, they're moving away from the Democrats think they can take back the house by winning those districts districts like Leonard lances, Lance may have tried to insulate himself from Trump and the rest of the GOP voting against the biggest pieces of legislation to move through congress last two years. But it might not matter voters don't seem particularly discerning when it comes to Republicans right now, particularly forgiving, the funny thing is the lesson. Republicans might learn from Trump is that they ought to be more like him. The Republicans who tried to split the difference ones like Leonard Lance, Mike Kaufman in Colorado. Those lawmakers look like they're in trouble. Where's a lot of Republicans and other moderate districts lease Elden on Long Island? Claudia Tenney upstate New York. They embrace Trump looked likely to win. There's so many aspects of the Trump effect that we could talk about we could talk about how the parties are moving away from each other bipartisanship is dying or simply how lies or normal everyday part of our politics now. But the overarching Trump effect to me is that the GOP is Trump party now and there's not much mill. In voters are acting accordingly. On our next episode. We're gonna talk about another key demographic shift women and how they're flocking to the Democratic Party. We like to think congressman Eric swallow, Mark meadows and Leonard Lance. We'd also like to thank Tom Mel ski Jake Sherman Daniel Strauss, Ben Jacobs, Arthur Delaney, Meredith, Kelly, tow law and Doug height. The wave is produced by Chris Bonnie. Oh, Jeff the pod glummer and me that fuller from huffpost. If you like this podcast subscribe to the wave down for future episodes Jugo. Huffpost new podcast, cut the noise launching soon. 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This podcast is brought to you by book dotcom in partnership with the cantata row tourism board, book dot com. The number one site for all inclusive beach vacations. And good evening. We begin with breaking news. A federal judge late today. Ruling that Paul Manafort, President Trump's former campaign chairman lied to the FBI lied to a grand jury light Robert Muller's. Investigators lied intentionally on multiple occasions. Lied about contact with Russians and he's supposed to be a cooperating witness now as you might imagine as we so often find ourselves saying, this is a big development and C N N's. Evan Perez joins us now with the latest is walk us through. What was not what was in? What was not in this ruling? Well Anderson prosecutors from the special counsel's office had initially accused Paul Manafort of lying on five different occasions five different topics during the time that he was supposed to be cooperating. If you remember he pleaded guilty, and he had agreed to cooperate as part of this investigation. So he met with prosecutors or many many hours of what they call proffer sessions. And during that time he was lying. According to the prosecutors, according to the judge in her ruling today that she said that there was enough evidence to show that he lied in. Least three of those occasions. One of them had to do with a payment that he that he had received to help pay for some of his legal bills and two of them had to do. With Constantine Kalinic is the name we've heard a lot obviously over the course of this investigation. Somebody who is going to figure I think very importantly in this investigation. There's also been a lot of reporting Leyland dinner meeting in New York with Manafort and Kalim neck. What's the significance of what may have happened at the meeting, and how does it relate to this? Right. Exactly. And this is actually one of the key lies according to to prosecutors, and according to the judge now the judge says that he he he was lying about some of his interactions with constant Kalinic. And the question was why exactly we still don't know the answer to that question. Prosecutors during a closed door hearing said that something occurred during that meeting that that really is important goes to the heart of this investigation. And one of those meetings was in August of two thousand sixteen at Havana Club cigar in in New York, and according to prosecutors. This is where there was an exchange of information. Perhaps this is where Manafort provided this polling data this internal Trump polling data that they say figures largely in this investigation. Now, it's important to note that manafort's attorneys say he didn't actually lie that he misremembered certain facts. They also say they also hinted in in the court hearing that Kalinic is not exactly what the prosecutors are making him out to be that, you know, obviously, prosecutors say that he was essentially a spy for the Russians manafort's attorneys suggests that he was meeting with with depth Labatt's from the US embassy in Kiev. So that perhaps he might have been a double agent. So I get there's more information that we are yet to see perhaps on February twenty-second when the two sides are going to be filing a sentencing memo's Anderson put that on your calendar for every twenty second is going to be an important date because we're going to hear a lot more about the importance of Constantine Kalinic. And why he is so important to this investigation. Impressed. Appreciate it. Joining us, Connecticut democratic Senator Richard Blumenthal. He's on the judiciary committee and cosponsor bipartisan legislation to require Robert Muller to provide his report in full to congress and the public Senator Blumenthal. The the fact that Manafort would turn around and intentionally lie to the special counsel. According to this judge after he made a deal to cooperate with them. Does that make any sense to you? What does that tell you? Well, what it tells me is that the lies were about connections between the Trump campaign and the Russians or between Manafort and Kalinic and the Russians which were not involved in the initial charges. No, not was charged initially with money laundering tax evasion. False statements now there is apparently proof of the connections between him and colonic and the so-called Ukraine peace plan, which was attractive to the Russians and possibly offered to the Trump campaign. There are other connections between the Trump campaign and Manafort and possibly Trump himself. And the question is why do you I about it? Was it just that he was a congenital liar or because he was engaged in a cover up that potentially was encouraged by others involve whether it was Roger stone or others who are Trump associates? And I mean, the I still don't understand if there was nothing untoward about the contacts between Russia and all of these people around the president why does wires so many of them lying about their interactions with Russia. Everything's on the up and up. Why not just tell the truth? Well, that is sort of the question of the moment, and after every one of these meetings or contacts, it was deception about them take, for example, that Trump Tara meeting involving Manafort and Kushner, and the others involved in the Trump campaign Trump junior the meeting was then followed by a deceptive comment framed by the president himself. The Havana's cigar meeting was then followed by deceptive common all of these contacts apparently instigated misleading or untruthful comments giving rise to the clear impression. And they lied because they thought maybe they were breaking the law. That's why people lie about things sooner Blumenthal. I want to come back to you and just a little bit in their next segment because there's an important piece of business in front of your committee regarding the molar investigation, and whether the report will see the light of day, if you could just stand by for that I want to quickly go to our chief legal analyst Jeffrey Toobin, former federal prosecutors, Shan Wu and former Trump White House lawyer Jim Schultz, it's not a full win. Jeff for the prosecutor's office that the the judge said there were two points, which they did not prove. Yeah. But I mean, let's, you know, we can talk about the political implications. But I saw Paul Manafort in court the other day, this is a man who looks like he's dying. He is walking with a cane. He looks disoriented. He has declined so precipitously in in prison that when you realize he has now lost his cooperation agreement and the chance for a lower sentence and. He's facing an entirely separate prison sentence in the Virginia case a seven year old man is looking like he may die in prison. And it is just a profound thing to think about show video. But that that's probably older. No, this is this is how we remember him as as you know, an, and you know, this is how he became a public figure during the the this investigation. He is almost unrecognizable really day from from this video almost unrecognizable. You know, he's got gout. He's walking with a cane. Apparently, he's using a wheelchair. A lot of the time prison is rough for anybody. And you know, yes, he did wrong and he did wrong over and over again. But I mean, this man is really really in danger of losing his life Hsien. I mean since the special counsel is no longer bound by its obligations under the plea agreement. What could that mean for manafort's sentencing? His sentencing could get worse in particular. The question of the acceptance of responsibility now is a. For grabs. Now, the judge might still give them credit for that. Because he's still has pled guilty. But that's what the concern is the false statements, which are actually done under a higher standard than the good faith standard for the plea agreement. That's where it's going to hurt him. And it's reminder as Jeff's pointing out the way, he's suffering now, apparently physically it's reminder of just how much power Oko operator gives the prosecution they need only prove the initial breach by good faith. It's really and their sole discretion. And so we wonder what would cause a man his age and declining health to take that kind of risk to put himself at risk when they have so much power. Why does he have to do that? What is it? He wants to hide. And that's really the intriguing part in the question is is it the sanctions discussion that possibly went on. I mean, what could be worth it to him to take this kind of risk Jim to that point. I it's the same question essentially in balloon with a why why would he lie, and why would all these people lie after? Having these kind of meetings manafort's case. I mean, we don't know the answer to that. But metaphors case it's been alleged that he had ties the Russians that he's had worked with Russian operatives in the past. And that he may have owed f- some of those folks money, and that he may have just been trying to save his own skin at the end of the day. And why he'd lied why he engaged in the conduct that they allege the engaged turning over polling data in my my sense is it has little do with politics and a lot to do with him saving his own skin. That's that is a possibility. I mean, that's you know, this incredibly cinematic meeting with Kalinic in this semi seedy cigar bar, which is on the top of six six six Fifth Avenue owned at the time by Jared Kushner Rudy Giuliani is a regular there. I mean, I it's like this crazy New York place, and this is the place they decide they decide to meet. And the question is is Manafort meeting with Kalinic to regenerate. His own personal business in the Ukraine where he had made so much money. That's where the fifteen thousand dollar ostrich jacket came from or is he meeting with Kalinic to try to get the Russians to help Donald Trump win the election. And that is obviously the most, you know, legally significant, but it may simply be manafort's greed. Senator Blumenthal, d do you buy that that it could just be greeted it could be greed? It could be just the habit of self-enrichment. But it could also be that at the end of the day Manafort want a partner, and there is obviously a reluctance to talk about it. But behind many of these lies on the part of whether it's Roger stone or others. Ultimately, the motive may be to win favor with Trump as part of a cover up and get a pardon. Now if you were to pick anyone to try to a cover up behind or lie to. The last person in the world would be Bob Muller. Chen. What do you make about that that this? You know, the possibility of a pardon is what is in the back of manafort's mind. I think that's always been in the back of his mind. But I find what's really interesting here is the question of the special counsels interest in the sanctions that seems to become clearer recently. And those discussions could have been about that. There's also one other point in the judge's order, which is that he lied about an unnamed other Justice department criminal investigation. So those two things to me point in the direction that he may have been lying about something that goes to the heart of what they're looking at now, which is the discussion of sanctions, and that might be worth lying about to them. I think if he was trying to protect something someone that's worth protecting keeping that information out. And that would help them get a part. And if it's known that he was trying to protect that going the pardon route as a hill Mary pass at any time and particularly with. His president even though he bypasses the normal process. You just don't know what he's going to do. So that's not much of a strategy. But it's certainly something that's always been working in the background for him. Since in Bloomfield on that, it just one last thought Anderson on this topic one of the lie that apparently he told to the special counsel related to in fact, his giving polling data from the Trump campaign to Kalinic and thereby very likely to the Russia's now that poem Gada was the lifeblood of potential social media outreach and the kind of meddling that the Russians did. So that coordination potentially is very important. Jim shaking your head earlier. I think that's that's right. Except for why did he do it? I think it's we come back to to have something to do with trying to help the campaign or was it that he was trying to repay a debt that he owed. And and I think that's. What we're all waiting to see with Muller's report essentially giving off some polling data as a way of buying favoring favor. Right. And I think that's that's you know, was he acting in the scope of his duties as campaign chairman or was he acting in the scope of of trying to protect Paul Manafort. I mean, Jim is raising a legitimate question. But think about how far this investigation has come here. You have the campaign chairman, not some flunky. We're not talking about the coffee boy giving a someone who is close to Russian intelligence information. That is the gold the most expensively produced product of the Trump campaign private polling. Which they can use to as social media. And I mean that is closing the circle potentially between the Trump campaign and Russian interests, which is collusion. Not about polling data for a second for those of us been bothering campaigns. Pulling data gets released to reporters all the time gets report released altern grant, not writing for the Russians. No question about that. But let's not talk about pulling data that it's something so intrinsic to a campaign that it never makes its way into public domain, low largely if it's good for the candidate it makes its way into the public domain arch Schultz Wu. Jeff Toobin, thanks very much more breaking they're going to stick around. We have more breaking news ahead. The man on track to be the next attorney general William bar is already having discussions on how to handle the Muller's of final report, including if and how it's released we'll talk to center Blumenthal, also about that later the deal. President Trump now faces to avoid another government shutdown versus what he could have gotten before the shutdown. We'll keep them honest. A book dotcom vacation includes a beautiful all inclusive beach resort with all meals, all drinks, including alcohol activities taxes. Tips all included are most popular destination for all inclusive resorts is Mexico's Caribbean coast including Cancun and Rivera the people food history. And of course, the beaches make this a great reason to go, and here's one more right now. Save up to seventy percent off all inclusive. Mexico vacations on book dotcom. Imagine yourself relaxing all day on the beach shore by the pool with unlimited food and drinks all included sound good. Head over to book dot com slash podcast to save up to seventy percent off your next all inclusive vacation that's book dot com slash podcast. There's more breaking news tonight. We've got exclusive new information on William bar, the president's pick for Torney general who's expected to be confirmed for the top job this week and start overseeing the Russia probe. Now, we've learned the bar is consulting with top Justice department officials on outlines on plans on how to handle the final report that is Cording to people familiar with the discussions now. The most pressing question bar will face is how much information should be included in a report to congress and the public as we mentioned before the brakes and Richard Blumenthal's cosponsored legislation to ensure that the Miller report be available to both congress and the public one thanks in our Bloomberg all sticking with us to discuss these new developments. So nothing short Abbar, releasing the full report to congress, and the public is acceptable to you is that right? That is absolutely right. Nor should it be acceptable to the American people. In fact, a recent poll a couple polls show that more than eighty percent of the American people think the bar the Muller reports should be released in full. By bar. And in fact, seventy nine percent of Republicans. So there should be complete full disclosure public right to know of the entire findings and evidence not just the conclusion, but all of the evidence and findings from the Muller report. And the American people deserve to say because they paid for it. But, but isn't the counter argument that you know? If unless there's an indictment, usually you don't hear from a Thorndike's detailing every stone that's been overturned. It's either. Yes, we're there's going to be something charge or no, there's not you're absolutely right. And I was United States attorney the chief federal prosecutor in Connecticut. I never did a report I never commented in substance on people's background or character. And the only comments we may generally were in cases of criminal charges. So the normal rule is either you indict or you shut up, but this is different. Because what we have here is a special counsel who is appointed only in the very rare and significant instances of abuse of trust public trust. And so the public really has a right to know, and we all can speculate and comment and predict. But what really counts is the findings and evidence, and they bear directly on that betrayal. Public. Cross. There's distinct possibility Anderson that there will be no indictment here because William bar has concluded a sitting president cannot be indicted. So if there's no indictment and no findings that evidence what we have in effect is a cover up, which the American people should not accept the fact that the board has not been confirmed as attorney general and has already consulting with top Justice officials is that standard operating procedure for nominee. Never stop never standard operating procedure for a nominee to talk about a pending investigation. So I'm a bit surprised that he is talking about the outlines and plans as the report suggested there's a lot about the special counsel investigation that has been treated as special. I'm just hoping that he backs this legislation and supports the concept of full transparency. This legislation is bipartisan and Senator Grassley, and I have long been advocates open and full transparency and disclosure. And I'm hopeful that we will have the backing of more of our colleagues already. I think there's growing acceptance Bloomfield, again appreciate your time. Thank you. Thank you. Join me against chief legal analyst, Jeffrey Toobin Shehu and Jim Schultz. I mean, Jeff as of now. The Justice Bartman what they're not required to. Show anything. There's tremendous discretion the registry, the regulation does not give the attorney general a lot of guidance one way or another. But, but I think there's a point that Senator Blumenthal made that I think deserves to be emphasized in unusual circumstance. It is put up or shut up indict or say nothing at all. Here. You have a situation where the president can't be indicted under Justice department policy. So that's that's not a risk. Also, you have the Watergate precedent where leeann jeweler ski who was the Watergate special prosecutor turned over a famous bulging briefcase of evidence to congress of relevant evidence for possible impeachment. I mean, this is the public does have an interest here independent of the criminal Justice system. And it really is inconceivable to me that the the public, and certainly the congress wouldn't be allowed to see what Muller had spent all this time. She should be made public. I think Barnish test. Said that as much as possible should be made public. And certainly he made a comment about d'eclat declamation memos. In fact, where people aren't indicted, where's declaration memo that that evidence doesn't make its way into play declaration. What when when a prosecutor declines to prosecute someone, and there's an internal evidence associated with that that evidence doesn't become public. And I I think it's a little far stretch to say just because the public paid for this work that it should be made public. Certainly there could be other confidential and intelligence information in that report it shouldn't. There would be reductions it should be redacted. But certainly, I think bar has has his testimony lended towards transparency on this issue. No question. Shan, bar did decide to keep their secret from not only congress, but also the public. I it would surely face legal challenges, wouldn't it? It would. And I on questionably think he's going to seek to exercise his ability awfully to censor. That report. I mean, we used to have all this talk about is more. We're going to get fired. That's the actions of the school yard bully bars. Far more sophisticated than that former legal counsel at the Justice department for Dag former AG he doesn't need to do that. He can control the message. And that's what he's going to do. He is going to protect the president. If there's anything they could give their by controlling the message. And absolutely I agree. It should be transparent. The more that's disclose. The better to the senators point of leading the American public. See what he's found letting them make their decisions. I would remind us all thinking about this that there's a role for congress, and there's a role for prosecutors, and he is going to focus on individual wrongdoings. He is going to follow Justice department guidelines as much as they can. He Muller will be loath to say anything bad about people that aren't dieted bar can use that as. A shield to censor the report, but congress has different duty. But congress congress can only do its job if it has the evidence that Muller collected. I mean that that's the thing. And that's why it's so important that that that congress congress get will we'll. A number of senators have said, well, look if if this is held back we will subpoena molar. That's right. And and I I don't know how that would play out legally, I think Ma bar has a lot of discretion here and the courts generally deferred to the attorney general when it comes to what's an investigatory matter. What's classified information? What's grand jury material all of that could give bar permission to withhold a lot of this testimony. So I think it's really gonna fall a lot on him. I don't think a court is really going to order him to release stuff that he doesn't wanna release, you know, he's got his own reputation to worry about he he is someone unlike Whitaker who was utterly unqualified to be attorney general, and it's just a political stooge in their bar is a distinguished public servant, and I doubt he wants his legacy to be the guy who kept this under wraps, but we'll see I don't know. Jeff Toobin Shehu Jim Schultz, and that's very much. Appreciate it. Coming up next. Why the man who once said the deals were his art form is now scrambling to explain his latest effort, which is shaping up to be anything. But a masterpiece were keeping them honest. Tired of spending hundreds of dollars for prescription glasses. 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And it's not hard to see why the compromise contains less money for border construction than the five point seven billion dollars that he originally wanted and less money than he might have gotten back in December before he shut down the government in short, whatever you might think about the border the wall, the fencing shutdown or the president himself fact is he seems to fail to do the one thing that he says he does better than anyone else. He failed as a dealmaker in this case. That's not us saying, here's what Republican congressman Chris Stewart till CNN's, Jim shoot. Oh today. He said, and I'm quoting the deal. We ended up with now is worse than we had before the shutdown point. In fact, the president's record in the private sector is littered with some ill-fated faded deals, but when we asked from biographer Michael dantonio today, how this latest episode compares. He said, and I'm quoting the president may have just found a new. Way to lose to make explain why he was scrambling today to put the best possible face on it. I by pointing to another bigger better number than the one. We've all been focused on. And we have a lot of options a lot of things happening very positive things. You know, the numbers are almost twenty three billion dollars, which you don't report too often. It's about an eight percent increase over last year. So if you look at the total funding it's over it's almost up to twenty three billion dollars. It's about eight percent higher than twenty three billion is not just for wall covers all aspects of border security, like personnel technology infrastructure, maintenance, repairs ports of entry and yes barrier construction. Wherever as we showed you at the top of that twenty three point at twenty three billion. There's just one point three seven five billion funding for barriers on the southern border covering some fifty five miles of new construction, which is less than the one point six billion dollars for sixty five miles of fencing that the president turned down in December as far less, of course than the five point seven Bill billion. He was demanding for more than two hundred miles of barrier. President isn't talking about that number anymore. Instead, he's. Repeating what has become a familiar refrain from him to claim that the wall is already going up, though, if you listen carefully, he mixes up his tenses so much. It's hard to tell exactly what he's trying to say. The border area is happening. It's going to happen at a really rapid pace. We're giving out contracts right now. And we're going to have a great wall. It's going to be a great powerful wall. The wall is very very on its way it's happening as we speak. We're building as we speak in the most desperately needed areas. And it's a big wall. It's a strong wall. It's a wall. The people aren't going through very easy. Going to have to be an extremely good shape to get over this one. They would be able to climb Mount Everest a lot easier. I think well keep it about us. It's not happening yet. It's not being built as we speak. At least not as the president would have you believe, and it's nothing like the kind of all the president campaigned on or like the prototypes that were shown off a year and a half ago. The president said to be angry. He said to be upset is complained publicly about where things have ended up. But the reality is he could have had a better deal than this one. Whatever the lessons, he preached in the art of the deal, they did not work out for him this time, this may not be the legacy that he wanted. But it's hard to deny the legacy that he's earned in this case. Joining us now is democratic congressman came Jefferies, a member of the house budget committee, congressman when the president says that he has quote options. Most people don't understand to get more money for the border wall. How do you interpret that would options? Don't most people understand. Well, it's not clear what does seem to be. The case is that this is more bluster and misdirection from the president. Of the United States of America because he apparently is concerned that despite his promise that we were going to get sick of the winning. All he does is lose lose lose. No matter. What if you take a look Anderson at the subject Dery of this whole issue around his medieval, vanity inspired border wall? I he indicated that he was going to build a wall from sea to shining sea and Mexico was going to pay for it. They refused. Second over the last two years. Republicans controlled the house the Senate and the presidency, and he still couldn't get anything done. In fact, he walked away from a twenty five billion dollar border wall deal in exchange for Dhaka, then he shuts down the government for thirty five days in a reckless fashion. And then says uncle at the end, and engages in an unconditional surrender when he could have gotten at least one point six billion as you pointed out. Without setting down the government, and now has gotten much less than that. So do you believe the president could take this deal and then declare national emergency? Anyway, as a means of using military money for the wall. Well, it's possible that the president will in all likelihood take this deal because he can't go down the path of recklessly shutting down the government again that was a disaster for him. It was a disaster for Republicans in the house and the Senate and clearly Mitch McConnell and his team over on the other side of the capital want. No part of that any further now the president may try to declare national emergency. But here's the thing if it was a national emergency. Why didn't he declare that to be the case on day one of his presidency going all the way back to January? Twentieth of twenty nine t excuse me of twenty seventeen always seen is rhetoric around this situation. But no real evidence. It is nationally -mergency in part because apprehensions are down at the border. Not. Becoming a lot of Republicans will say, well, look, it's it's yes. And maybe it's not the greatest thing for the president's exact what the president wanted. But at the same time. It's not what Nancy Pelosi is. She said not one dollar for wall, and here here they are with the deal for one point five billion or so well, what we've said from the very beginning is that the president would not get a dime for a medieval border wall in the midst of reckless government shutdown while he was holding eight hundred thousand plus federal employees and their families in the American economy hostage. We maintained from the very beginning that when the government was reopened. We'd be more than willing to have a mature conversation about border security and do what was necessary in terms of what the evidence directed in. That regard. We indicated that we would be willing to support some modest barriers where justified and that in fact is the case here, but this Bill will be twenty four. Century border security. It will invest in a type of infrastructure that we think is necessary around the legal ports of entry. It will invest in technology. It will provide money for humanitarian assistance to make sure that migrant families are treated with dignity and respect that they deserve and terms of food and shelter transportation and medicine and clothing concert conservative freedom caucus leader. Mark meadows told reporters day that if the president accepts the Bill does nothing else that it would be political suicide that does the president need to do something else to save face here. Oh, am I view. This is a victory for the American people because we finally put to bed the notion that shutdowns are legitimate negotiating tactic. When there's a dispute between two Coequal branches of government. I think what we need to do is movie on this situation. Hopefully, the Bill would get to the president's desk. He'll sign it into law by Friday, and then work with us as House Democrats on our for the people agenda where we're focused on lowering health care costs protecting people with preexisting conditions. Driving down the high cost of prescription drugs and enacting a real infrastructure plan. That's what the president talked about impart when he came before us at the state of the union address. Hopefully, once we end this sorted episode. We can work on issues of real importance to the American people. All right, congressman Jeffries. Appreciate your time. Thank you joining former orange chief of staff. Mike Shiels Pearson powers and former Republican congressman Charlie dent, Mike is would it tomorrow. Meadows point be suicide political suicide for the president. If he didn't do something else after this deal. I don't know about suicide. But I do believe he will continue to something that word that Republicans are using the down payment, and there is their policy to build to have stronger border security into build a barrier. They've got this money for this. There's other things that they can do to put money towards this. Then there's going to be election in two thousand twenty it'll be on the ballot and they'll come back again. And so I think the base is now with the president they've seen. He's willing to go to a pretty extreme length to fight for something that they all believe in his basis behind him and talking about his issue. We're not talking about healthcare. We're not talking about student loans. We're not talking about things that democrat, you know, climate change things that Nancy Pelosi, and the Democrats in congress want to be talking about we're having a national debate on border security, which is where he wants to be congressman Dan, do you think the president will actually sign this Bill, and then to Mike's point sort of use it as a jumping off point. Yes, he will sign it. But not not until he complains about it. I he will complain about it he'll whine about it. Then he'll sign it. And then I do suspect that the president will take some executive action possibly declare emergency, which I think would set off a bit of a political crisis. I think he's moving in that direction. He cannot move these funds around the congress appropriated without some kind of crush congressional approval from the appropriations committee he may try, but that would really set off a crisis. So he's going to sign it. He has no choice. It's better than a shutdown, and it's better that continuing resolution so curious I mean, if the president's is the Bill was what CNN has been told he intends to do does he deserve credit for compromising. Because obviously Democrats have you know, trying to take a victory lap saying he caved caved. The other word is compromise. Yeah. Now, when I I said this before that, I think that, you know, originally when he had struck a deal, and it was being portrayed as he had been rolled and he'd caved, and it's like, no, he he just he made. A deal. And I think that he would have been it would have been better for him. If he had taken earlier deals that were on the table. So I I don't know that it was the best deal for him. But I think that yes, he should get credit for doing. I think what is the right thing, which is avoiding another government shutdown realizing that he's not going to be able to get the funding that he wanted and standing up against the base to the extent that he needs to stand up to the base because another thing that I have felt for a long time is that he you know, he had caved before because he got all this backlash. I mean caved his base because he all the all this backlash from Rush Limbaugh. And an Coulter I think if he had just did his ground, then he would have been fine his space very firmly behind him. And I think that he's done so many things that they can point to that. They are happy about, you know, import probably won't is really the most important issue. I think among Republicans and not just the base is the court. So I don't think I don't think he would have been in any peril, frankly. But now he's done this. And we'll see. We'll see if there is a backlash for for him. You know, giving in my word using the president should be politically about legal challenges in court. I I don't I mean in terms of declares a national emergency tries to, you know, get get funds from other sources, it appears that there's two sites that argument. And I think they're still sorting through that. And I think there are other things they're going to be Ted Cruz as Bill to use the chapel money to go for the wall. I think there's other bills that are going to move through that you can start putting while funding and continue to have this fight. I think the point is. Yeah, he didn't get everything he wanted. He set the terms of the debate were talking about border security. There's a way to win the war maybe losing the battle. It's I've mentioned that before when I worked for Newt the government shutdown, but Bill Clinton wound up signing a balanced budget because we won the the American people. So I think as long as he looks like he's continuing to find ways to do this. And he he's not finished yet. He can keep doing that. Congressman that matures you mentioned the president's based you think they'll see this as a win. You know, I think the president really needs to lead his base instead of letting Ann Coulter, and Sean Hannity and others. You know, get them whipped up into a frenzy. The president has to declare victory say look, I've got I got additional money for border security. I'm not done down payment pocket the game. And then come back and fight another day. And I think his base will probably follow him more than they would those talk radio hosts. But he for some reason, the president is so gun shy. When it comes to certain, you know, shrill voices. He feels he has to the pandered to them. He really doesn't need to. It is was that the president is pointing to the larger number the twenty three billion dollar overall that it's a rise over over. What was spent last year? Right. But it could also kind of goes against the conservative talking point that the Democrats don't care about border security. Right. I mean, the president's right? There actually is quite a bit of money in this four border security. And so I I think that the Democrats were interested in striking a deal where they felt that it was the money was going to be well spent on the where the problems actually are. And the problems actually aren't going to be solved by a wall. I mean, that's the problem. It's the problems are more at the ports of entry. And so I think that that's that's. Where the money is rightly being focused, and he's been given some money for not not a huge big beautiful wall. But for some fencing, and I think that's reasonable. So whether he can say victory. I mean, he can go out and say, whatever he wants the fact of the matter is he had much better deals he walked away from. But you know, he can he can say he he victory or I think prob- probably more likely he's going to try to find a way to get this done in, you know, as Charlie's pointed out in a way that might be highly problematic. Denver shoot it like Shiels cures empowers. Thanks very much up next who leaked the details of bazars relationships National Enquirer. Now, we know details coming up. Remember to create an ad like this one visit pure winning dot com slash CNN. And that's director of football coach geography teacher and high school students with big dreams there that seventeen people killed at Marjory stoneman Douglas high school in parkland, Florida one year ago, tomorrow seventeen lives lost on Valentine's Day lives. Taken away. Seventeen lives changed forever. By the actions of a lone gunman. The death sparked a movement several students from the school have pushed for gun control. They call them politicians to enact new laws and distance themselves from powerful lobbying groups like the National Rifle Association. You may recall this moment from CNN townhall just days after the shooting. This is Cameron Caskey a student pressing Senator Marco Rubio. Senator Rubio, can you tell me right now that you will not accept a single donation from the NRA. Number one the positions. I hold on these issues in the second amendment. I've held since the day I entered office in the city of west Miami isn't elected official number to know, the answers in Russian is that people buy into my agenda, and I do support the second amendment. And I also support the right of you and everyone here to be able to go to school and be safe. And I do support any law that would keep guns out of the hands of a deranged killer. And that's why I support the things that I have stood for in the name of seventeen people. You cannot ask the NRA to keep their money out of your campaign. I think in the name of the seventeen people I pledge to you that I will support any law that will prevent a killer like this. No. But I'm talking. Joining me now is that student Cameron Caskey camera. Thanks so much for being with us. I'm wondering just what's going through your mind as the anniversary the first anniversary of what happened in park on approaches tomorrow. You know, it's been such a surreal time for us. But recently, I was thinking about how people think about parkland, and I was thinking about kind of the public image of the city, and it's it's really nice to know that parkland is looked at as a city where people even in the face of the worst possible tragedy stood up, and and stood for something that was larger themselves, whether it be school safety or gun violence prevention, we we took what could have been the worst thing in the it was the worst thing in the world for us, and instead of hiding away we stood up and showed that parkland as a city, and and this community and these families who lost their children and siblings. We're stronger than anyone who could try and hurt us. So while the shooter went into the school day trying to to ruin the world and trying to knock everybody down. Everybody was really able to come together and show the we're better than that. I mean, obviously, you've been a very strong advocate over the last year for tougher gun control on balance. Do you believe progress has been made? Well, I mean just moments ago HR aide passed which was a which is the bipartisan background check Bill, and that's the first gun violence prevention Bill that's been passed from House, Judiciary and decades. And that's just one of the many steps that's been taken today. Governor to Santos announced that there would be a grand jury investigating the school board in Broward County, which I know was such a great victory for a lot of the parents because there's been so much corruption on a local level here. So while again, we're coming up on the one year anniversary of such a horrible horrific thing that took seventeen of our best people. We're really seeing a lot of reasons to look to the future and see hope your senior. Now, I'm just wondering what it is it. What's it like at the school year on? Well, I I know that a lot of the families of the victims. Well, despite having gone through such a horrible thing. I see these people so often, and they're so grateful for all the help they get there so supportive. I mean, Patrick petty is a student at Douglas right now who lost his sister. And every time I talked to him. I say how how are you doing? Like, I I try to check in. He just he talks about all the things in the world. That are good. And he talks about how one day he'll be able to see a sister again. And so many people in Douglas, whether they were connected to someone who's lost or whether they just gone through such such trauma. They're able to look to the future with with hope. And it's it's something that is so nice to see so the whole community and parkland really has just shown so much. It's it's remarkable. What would you hope that tomorrow people think about or do or remember about parkland and the seventeen people who were murdered? You know tomorrow. I hope a lot of people take the the bitterly partisan politics of this whole situation and put it aside. Just for a day. I understand that. There's a lot that needs to be advocated for and there's still so many fights that we need to end. But tomorrow, I think is about thinking about your loved ones treating everybody with kindness and compassion, and realizing that this horrible tragedy is they still happen on a daily basis. I mean, you look around the country, and you see so many people being killed, and and they're so many steps we need to take. But it's really important to treat the people around you with kindness and compassion, get Rakowski, I appreciate talking to you. Thank you very much. Thanks for having me again. All right. I wanna check in with Christy would he was working on for Cuomo from time at the top of the hour. Chris. It is amazing. How those mass shootings dominate a moment. And then disappear. I was wrong about parkland. When it happened. I was like, oh, God another one of these tragedies, and we're going to go through this cycle. And all these people are going to be made promises that something will change. And then it doesn't. And you have to watch their heartbreak. But these kids were a catalyst that I didn't see coming on. And we haven't followed through to understand their impact in the midterms. But you know, they went all over the country. Yeah. Those kids. My sister Maria does documentaries and she's following them around one of her documentaries is going to be about their efforts. It'll be interesting to see what lasting impact there is what this year anniversary means really important for you to do. It's also made that you know, they Cameron's applying to colleges now others have gone to college that they continue the push. I mean, they continue the work that they're doing while the same time being kids, and you know, going to college and doing this stuff that everybody else does that age. Yeah. I mean, look an extraordinary thing to survive it Aleve impression on their lives. They're trying to make something of it. That is always the best way to survive a terrible thing as you. And I both seen many times many rations around the world. But we'll see what comes to. We're still nowhere on that from. Cultural issue and his advice is great. It's just not going to be taken the idea of putting politics aside. We've yet to see that when it comes to that issue tomorrow, I'll be dealing with that tonight. We're going to take on what just came out of that judge's ruling in the Manafort case, and what it means Anderson I've become convinced. I don't know what the mullahs probe is going to lead to. I don't see it ending the presidency. I could be wrong. But why did they lie? If they had nothing to hide is a question that applies in a way I have never seen before. It is the big question. We'll take it on. And it's not just one person long. It's multiple I have to live to live. Chris. We'll see you just few minutes about five minutes from now. 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