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Tuesday, May 19: Rep. Mike Kelly, Rebecca Jarvis

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37:56 min | 10 months ago

Tuesday, May 19: Rep. Mike Kelly, Rebecca Jarvis

"Subscribe to our podcast to get hot topics delivered every afternoon. And while you're at it rate US and Labor Review Brand New News Darts live right now. Health careless as hopes are raised by a potential vaccine. The president claims he's taking an unproven treatment with potentially deadly side effects. I dropped shape. How medical experts and even conservative media are warning him and Americans against it. What do you have to lose their lives flood? Pennsylvania Congressman Mike. Kelly is live to share how his body was ravaged by his battle with corona virus. And why it didn't stop him from suing the governor to reopen the stage and ABC News Chief Business Correspondent Rebecca Jarvis on what family struggling to get by can do until America gets back to business and if the workplace will ever be the same again. Here come hot topics with whoopie joy. Behar Sunny hostage and and Megan McCain. Now let's get things started. Well Hello Hello and welcome to the view where anything can happen. We're living life and real time. Sometimes we're chasing our cats around or check the size of our butts in the mirror. We're looking down at our chest and hoping that at some point they'll rise up with everything else so we are here and we're here for you and it was nice to us know. I just decided that we have to be we have to. We have to bring some levity even though we're talking about all of this horrific stuff every day so I'm just trying to keep it up and open so there were signs of hope yesterday after an early trial of potential corona virus vaccine had really promising results. Everybody's very excited but then you know who turn the good mood into really suck after announcing that he's going a whole different route. Take a love hydroxy when right now a couple of weeks ago started taking. Because I think it's kind of a lot of good stories and if it's not good at you right duck to get hurt by it. It's been around for forty years from malaria for Lupus for other things I'd take it. Well it did seem like everybody's mouth dropped open because experts seemed to be warning against just taking it because of potentially deadly side effects. But just this morning. His press secretary backed him up with this claim now July. Do you believe he's taken classy clogged clamped announce? Doing all this hydro Quinn. Yes yeah hydrochloric. So do you believe he's taken? I can't believe no I can't believe it. Now it comes up with this you know. Here's the thing. He says he's been on this thing for two and a half weeks something but when you read the side effects psychosis paranoia hair loss. I think he's been on it for three and a half years sir seriously seriously. I think that he's lying about everything you know so I think his life he's distracting from Pompeo and the I G scandal. He's Joe Biden is kicking his butt in the polls. He's losing senior citizen votes. All over the place. Even in swing states like Arizona might be turning blue his attacks on Obama a going nowhere. He will distract you anything that makes him look bad. And this this all this stuff that's going on right now makes him look bad and that's why his doing this. That is my opinion so even conservative media outlets that are usually you know. Sort of staunchly by his side are sounding alarm. Bells is responsible for him to be taken an even with the risk sunny. Is this a smart move? I don't think it's a smart move regardless of whether or not you believe in the job that he's doing he's still the president of the United States and because at his weight he is obese under the guidelines because of his age group. He's I believe seventy three There are a lot of side effects here and I don't understand why if he tested negative over and over again for the corona virus why he would be taking this medication there. No there's no indication that it would prevent you getting the corona virus it has there have been some studies saying that you can treat corona virus with it. Although those studies haven't been affected the other thing is what about the people? Now that will rush out to buy that medication or try to attain that medication because the president said he is taking it. What about the people that really need it that suffer from? Let's say Lupus now. They'll be a shortage so that also indicates that it just isn't smart for him to advertise that he is taking it and I kind of agree with joy. He's been really really careful to hide his income taxes not to give the results of physical examinations not to provide his medical records rise. All of a sudden he's being so transparent about taking this drug. Something doesn't seem right to me. Well right well. He's made this announcement out of the blue. And what did you think when you heard man I mean when he first Seti I was watching it live and I was shocked? I think like everybody else. Because this isn't a proven medication. This comes off the heels of the pharmaceutical company. Madonna talking about yesterday. How they actually have really promising results with some of their Initial trials for a vaccine. So for me it would have been more prudent to highlight the MODERNA vaccine results. That they're working on. Because that seems to be the most promising I said to my producers earlier and I think all of you know when I was watching it now. I'm a I'm a capable woman. I'm not drinking bleach. I'm not doing anything. The president told me to but there was a moment in my brain where I was like isn't working is hydro. Whatever you say chloroquine. Is it working because at this point I am so desperate to be able to do anything outside of my home? I would do a lot of things to get outside my home. I would inject something. I mean pregnant so I you know I probably wouldn't but if I if someone's that he megan you're going to draw. You'RE GONNA lose all your hair but you get to go outside and see your friends and go swimming and go exercise and do all these things. I might do it because we're going on three months laughing joy. You know it's true but we're going on three months we're going on six months so I'm not a I know I sound crazy but what Sonny's saying is true. He's still the president and if I had a moment where I was like wait. Is that working then? A lot of other people are as well. That's the point I'm trying to make that's but didn't say that the line it's ridiculous anyway. I'm desperate you know all around the world all around the world. This is happening. You know people are saying well. It's nothing it's nothing a lot of people in charge. I think people are starting to say. Well I'm looking at my aunt and she sick and you know I've talked to kids. Man They WanNa get out to you know. Everybody wants out but no one wants to be sick. So we'll we'll get there. We just gotTa do it the right way. We'll be back. Oh still ahead. Love in lockdown can the CO host relate to Katy Perry's admission that quarantine has put a relationship with Orlando Bloom in a whole New Light. I definitely tested him and been like. Oh Yeah Oh yeah you think you can handle me. I could cheer. Ceo CUCCIA zoology. We are a yoga. Self-care brand here in Los Angeles California are retailing. Partners are close. But it's really a very intend to find some hair with all the unknown in the world so we are offering fifty percent off ourselves. Here FRONTEX we're so excited to get these two and we're just so appreciative for your support for small business. Well welcome back. Life in quarantine has a lot of folks reassessing. Their relationships. Apparently singer Neo reconciled with his wife saying it made him realize he wanted to be in lockdown with the people who loved Him and Katy Perry says is giving her a new perspective on her relationship with all Landau Bloom. Watch what I have actually learned Some of the positive because he's seen you know you've seen it all and bless him. He's still he's still here. Which is it is amazing commendable because I definitely tested him and been like. Oh Yeah Oh yeah you think you can handle me so can can any of you relates to what you say and I'll start with you. Megan on my God being in quarantine with your husband or significant other work being quarantined with anyone. At least for me. It's been like marriage on acid because you're spending twenty four seven with just one person and so it's like I knew all these things about then but it's like everything is heightened at like a tenth degree and I will say I all I am glad about is that I married someone that I wanna to talk to about the news all the time and I'm always interested in what he has to say because it has become like a baseline for our relationship right now and if we had nothing to talk about which I've certainly dated men that like that before. I have jumped out a window at this point and enjoy. How was Steve Stacking up against Orlando Blue? That's an unfair question. But I wouldn't mind being quarantined with Landau Blunt number. One but I agree. I agree with what Megan just said. Because I taught Stephen I have lots of talk about. I always have to start the conversation though. He doesn't have to start it. He knows how to engage in it but I always have to throw but he. I have to give my husband credit. He has become a technical genius. He he's running the camera and the sound in my house. I'm going to submit him for an Emmy are can't get rbis. Here's here's a bright prepared. Six Bihar is sleeping with a cameraman sunny new revelations about manny during all of this manny and I are going on. I guess twenty two years of being married in August and so we know each other really well and we're best friends but the one thing that I always had for him was like honeydew list are really long list but he's not home that much but he's gotten to the list now. We're just amazing. I knew he was handy but I didn't know he was that handy. I mean. He's like installing air conditioning and heating and plumbing. And it's amazing. I mean wow I guess I guess. Medical School did him well. I I can't believe it so I figure if you can put together than the knee bone is connected to the five on. You can connect anything else out. There has to be put together. We'll be right back next. Did Pennsylvania Congressman Mike. Kelly worry he wouldn't survive his battle with the corona virus. And why hasn't it changed his mind about doing to reopen the state for business? He's live on the view later. Abc News Jeep Business Correspondent Rebecca Jarvis. On what needs to happen to get America back to work and if it'll ever be business as usual again. Pennsylvania Congressman Kelly survived and nasty battle with the corona virus. But it didn't change his perspective about wanting to reopen his state and he joins us now to tell us why he filed a lawsuit against the governor over it welcomes. Thanks for coming congressman. We're pleased to have you here. You tested positive for your welcome for Corona Nineteen. You back in March and you were one of the lucky ones that survived this. You didn't need to be hospitalized but the viruses no joe. Do you think that governors and various people are not cognizant of how hard this is? I mean would you wish this on anybody to get Corona of course not? I wouldn't wish it on anybody. But by the same token when you took it Pennsylvania Pennsylvania and what Governor Wolf to kind of was defying. The odds are that the data that was already presented as to which parts of the states of big state? There's certain states where there was very little of the krona virus and very few deaths from it. One of those areas is the district that I represent in though I went through it and by the way I did take the. It chloroquine took it very early. My doctor prescribed it for me and I got through the the krona buyers but once you get back on your feet I think is who we are as a people. We want to back to work. We want to get outside. We want to be able to see people and the idea behind you do something. That's very smart and very safe. We have the ability to work within the parameters of what's been outlined being safe being cognizant of the fact that when we come in contact with other people we have to be careful. I know in my case I didn't go out for almost a month. I stayed home. We still are very limited to those who we can see but then it comes down to in the constitution like I go to mass every day. I cannot go mass right now. I'll even though I go to church. We're still in that kind of a lockdown period. So I wanNA see things start to function within the parameters of what's safe and what's smart for every single American congressman. This is again. You are seventy two years old and you are a type two diabetic. So that puts you in a category of those who are particularly vulnerable to this virus. Can you walk us through your symptoms? How sick you were. And how quickly did this disease come onto you? May and that's really a good point. Because I thought at first I just had some strain of the flu. I didn't really recognize it as something that I hadn't had before my wife though was very a very aware of. It's just you know what I mean. You're sleeping with two blankets on your still cold. You're not eating. You have no sense of taste and when you sleep your sleeping like sixteen to eighteen hours a day and you're still tired now you know. Fortunately I didn't have the respiratory problem but I got to my doctor Dr Cuccia the Butler in Butler. He very quickly got me tested. I went to the Butler hospital. The drive through got tested within twenty four hours. They told me listen. You have the virus. So what we wanted to do is stay home. And we'll prescribe up so zee PAC which most people use and then the hydroxy Clark when I took it. So maybe maybe that reduced the effects on me but I didn't have the respiratory part which is a real blessing. Did you just say that you took the hydrochloric line? I'm not mice yes I took it. Wow I can't believe anybody with a brain would take that stuff by new same like an intelligent guy. You're a representative in Congress. Why would you take that there? A terrible consequences. I appreciate that your view. That's not my view and more on the Byu but let me just say this to you in my case I can't say definitively that that's what cured me but I can say definitively that I took it and I can say that I went through a period of time that I was sick. I came out of it within about nine days. And then I self quarantine for another month on top of that so if you stay within the parameters of what's the guidance and if you're smart about what you do you stay safe you keep other people safe by staying away from them. I don't think there's anything stupid about that. I still think I'm relatively pretty intelligent guy about i. Don't tell anybody concise that's all I say. Go to the doctors that you've listened to what they say. If your doctor says don't take it then don't take it. Okay Congressman last July. You got a lot of flack for for saying they talk about people of Color. I'm a person of color I'm white. I'm an anglo-saxon now your fellow people of Color in Pennsylvania African Americans they make up about twelve percent of the population in Pennsylvania and overwhelming number of those black Pennsylvanians are essential workers yet they represent thirty percent of the corona virus cases. Given what you went through with this virus congressmen including losing about thirty pounds. Why are you in favour of opening up the state with no real federal plan? Well I think I think there are plans in place. I think there are guidelines that we would stay within. Listen I really have great faith in the American people? I think we're very smart. I think once we're aware of the dangers. Then we can work within those parameters my real question or my concern was we had a governor and who was saying. No this is the way it's going to take place now. The district that I represent most of the counties with the exception of Butler Connie went from being red to yellow Butler county was was not included in the yellow. Which gave you a partial opening up and when the question came down. So why are we staying? Shutdown Butler. County. The governor's answer was because looking at the data and then other conditions. This was my decision so then it comes down to look. There's a constitution that really does allow us to do certain things and really gives us great privileges that no place else in the world has and in fact in a couple of days. We're going to have the Memorial Day. Commemoration it's not a celebration the beginning of summer. It's about those who gave their lives that we could celebrate and that we could enjoy the greatest democracy in the greatest nation. The world's ever known so my my my question was always. Do you really believe that. This is a nanny. State that people on their own and determined work within the guidelines. I can tell you small businesses. They adjust all the time to conditions that change. There is no one-size-fits-all but if there's regulations put in place we can work within those regulations for instance where I'm at now and Sharon Pennsylvania if I walk across the street. I'm in Ohio in Ohio. You don't have to wear a mask. You can go and get your haircut. Today you can go to restaurants today. That's just across the street so when you back it off say well. The governor's they have great executive powers and I respect that but the other question comes at what point. At what point do we trust the American people to be not only safe but smart and do the right thing for the right reasons? I think IT COMES DOWN TO BASIC. Constitutional Values Congressman. This is Megan. I've leave at a cultural. War is raging in this country over the reopening of the economy. And it's raging in your home state of Pennsylvania as well where governor Tom Wolfe has been criticized by conservatives for reopening too slowly. I WanNa know what you think of that. And when you see the protesters across the country who I think are just God fearing good tax paying Americans who simply want to be able to go back to work and their families and are willing to maybe take some risks to do that rather than go bankrupt and starve. Yeah well bill every single penny that either your local your state government or federal government Has Suspending spins comes out of the pocket some hardware working American taxpayer when people aren't working when businesses aren't open the revenue streams dry up. Now I'm GonNa go back to what I said earlier. Let's do what smart and what's say let's work within the parameters the guidelines that are set out to make sure that if you need to wear a face mask where face mask if you need to have on. Rubber gloves put on the gloves. If you're sick stay home. Wash your hands. Keep your hands away from your face and for you know forever listen. I grew up with a set of parents that we're constantly worried about our wellbeing. They're the ones that taught us how to do these things. They were reinforced as we went to school. And as we become adults and raise our families we instill those same values those same ideas in our children so when you look at Pennsylvania really Pennsylvania had the opportunity. It's a big state Philadelphia completely completely different than Erie Pennsylvania where we had hardly any cases of virus and very few deaths. We never had an overload in our hospital. So you gotta Ask Yourself. Why do we a one-size-fits-all? I just think he's better give the American people the rules given the guidelines album. How to operate they will operate safely. Yes we win. We one would always hope that was the case but as we know human beings are human beings and they don't always follow the rules or do the things are supposed to do. But we're very glad that you came And thanks for coming and we'll be right back. Thanks so much thanks Walter. Thank you for having me on. What should people living paycheck to paycheck? Do until they can get back to work. How will the next stimulus bill help your family? And is there actually a silver lining to all this? Abc News Chief Business Correspondent Rebecca. Jarvis is breaking it down next. The view from home is looking a little different these days but this is still the one place in daytime morning. Senator Gordon thanks for were the biggest names and news. Come to be her. No show like yours. The view is all new every day on ABC with libraries schools and bookstores shutdown. How do you keep your kids? Learning and growing books from Literati. The number one book club for Kids. 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This frequent pandemic has left more than thirty six million Americans unemployed and is taking a devastating toll on the economy which is why everyone is so desperate to get back to business joining us now to tell us. What's IT GONNA take to make that happen? Please welcome ABC Chief. Business Economics and technology correspondent the fabulous and amazing Rebecca Jarvis. So welcome things won't be so. The White House is pressing states to reopen without really testing. Or you know just get mess back out and getting it. I don't think any American doesn't want to get back to work. But what are we doing this? The right way is zero better way to be doing this. Well talked to economists of a lot of different political stripes and across the board. They're pounding the table saying this is not a binary decision. This isn't a decision to save your life or save your job and part of that comes down to getting back to work doing that very safely. And when I talk to businesses CEOS executives like. Ibm's Ginny Rometty who has grown up with that company and run the company for a number of years. What they're looking for is more continuity such that if she says to her employees. We're going to tell you to wear masks. We're GONNA take your temperature. We're going to do all of these things as you come back to the office. She knows that those employees if they go and meet with employees at another company they too are going to be safe but back to this original idea. We very likely will not have a vaccine for this year and certainly not until next year and as a result of that if we are in a wait and see approach until we're in a completely perfectly finite your health is one hundred percent safe environment from Cova. Nineteen there's the ripple effect of all of the economic consequences on People's health the fact that people aren't going to doctors for routine checkups that cancer screenings are down that screenings. Vaccinations for children are down. These all have long term health consequences and in the jobs market. What we've heard from Fed Chair Powell. For example is that the longer unemployment lasts at these elevated rates. The more long-term unemployment will stay like this and the the harder it is to bring back those jobs in the future and of course that also has economic and personal consequences suicide rates issues with people being able to put food on their table. We have now already seen that. Play out especially when it comes to food with the nations food banks right now. Rebecca I have said on the show. There are a lot of ways to die from. Cova this crisis. We're seeing depression levels. We haven't seen before calls. This suicide hotlines are spiking. Domestic violence is on the rise. Alcoholism and OPIOID uses up. How big of a role should these things play in opening back up the economy? Well it's certainly a factor to consider salesforce which is a company that employs mostly people. Who can work from home? Did a study early on in this crisis and surveyed all of their employees and found that more than thirty percents of their employees were already facing mental health issues and for anybody out there who is especially in that category facing an issue. There are resources for you. I would recommend you reach out to your employer that you reach out through your healthcare providers and seek help immediately but in this bigger sons. Megan where there are these outcomes. These negative outcomes. That aren't just a matter of dollars. They are a matter of lives. It's a consideration you know. The United Nations put together research that shows they expect two hundred fifty million people around the globe to be facing starvation at the end of this year and there are these ripple effects to keeping things shut down to our food supply that we are only seeing just the very early stages of what that will mean in a longer term sense which is why again back to this original idea it is so important to have consistency and messaging. And as we return to work many CEOS. Tell me they wanNA see mask wearing. Bu Witness and they WANNA see testing and they're willing to own some of that process and enforce some of that but they wanna see it ubiquitous across the board. So you know I was thinking they can open whatever they want all of these businesses but if people don't feel safe sitting in a restaurant or even go to the restroom not to mention you know going to the mall and shopping a sitting close to people in restaurants and sports events etc. How how should I? What are they supposed to? People are not going to go even if they say they can go. How businesses going to handle that. It's a it's a really interesting point and what we've actually seen in the states where there are reopenings. And it's possible to reopen. Some of the businesses have already selected to remain close. Now you could say that's because of public health because maybe their employees are concerned to come back. You could also argue that some of these businesses for example a restaurant. Where if you're reopening with social distancing measures in place. You're not going to have the number of tables in your restaurant that you had before this crisis began and even if every single one of the tables that you do have open is filled. You're not necessarily going to be able to make ends meet to keep that restaurant surviving. So that's a big question. As things go forward one thing. I would say joy to anybody out there who might feel forced into to a job where they don't feel safe under the cares act. There are provisions. That say you can stay if you have a pre existing or underlying condition. That means that you would have a negative reaction or or a more negative reaction to Cova nineteen. Potentially you can make the argument that you are not returning to work. You can continue to collect unemployment even if you don't have childcare and I know that's an issue I mean in our house that's an issue and I know that's an issue across the country if you do not have childcare you too can claim to your employer that you're not in a position to return yet and you can collect unemployment and that's under the cares. Act Rebecca doctor warned that if we open too soon we restricting an outbreak that we can't control and that could devastate the economy even worse than it is. Now what are the risks of opening and then closing again how damaging would that be well this strikes at the heart of the US economy and that is confidence. We are a consumer driven economy which means seventy percent of our economic growth comes back to how we behave as consumers. Are WE SPENDING MONEY? And if the virus were to respond as people return to work with great spikes and if we were to see this resurgence something along the lines of thousand nine hundred. Eighteen back could be a huge issue for the economy. I would say that at the same time. Also an issue for the economy is confidence around job security if people start returning to work and jobs aren't coming back if it suddenly is realized that actually these businesses many of them small businesses. The thirty million small businesses across the country either are afraid to reopen or can't reopen because of the new reality that we all face that too can have a very Devastating effect on the economy and potentially on lives and sunny. I would argue based on everything that I've heard from every CEO in every economist. That again this approach it cannot be a purely all or nothing approach. We CAN'T THROW CAUTION TO THE WIND. If we reopen and at the same time the indefinite reopening until there's a vaccine can also have devastating consequences for people the jobs in this country their livelihood and very unfortunately their lives so rebecca. Jobs GonNA stay with us. We're going to go and come right back. The view from home is looking a little different these days but this is still the one place in daytime morning. Senator Gordon. Thanks Abbey where the biggest names in news come to be her show like yours. He'll is all new everyday on ABC. Hey we're back with Rebecca Jarvis. But let's get some practical advice from you for those people who are living paycheck to paycheck and now are not working. What should they be doing right now? well this is such a serious moment for so many families and so tough. What be the number one thing is you want to go through your expenses and make sure that you're only at this point paying for those things that are essential if you haven't already had conversations with your bank about forbearance lost your income if you're not able to make those payments speak to your bank if it's a mortgage or speak to your landlord if it is a rental and see what can be done around that as far as forbearance is concerned you're entitled to three months in most private banks but if it's a government backed mortgage you're entitled to a year. The only thing I would caution against their for people though is if you can't afford to make those payments you should afford to make those payments. We'll be so even though it's a possibility right now it's not something you don't want to get behind on that mortgage if you can keep from doing that. And what about for those people with retirement savings in the absolute worst case? Should they be taking money out of their 401k? What I would say this is a last resort under the cares. Act The fees if you were to take that money out early the fees have been waived but you still have to pay taxes on the money that you take out and one thing I would really say as if you're young and you have time in front of you you have to think about what taking that money out means for your future. You're basically stealing from your future if you take ten thousand dollars out of that 401k. Today that money if you live it out for the long run could be worth sixty thousand dollars so think long and hard I would scrape by in whatever way is possible before going to that last resort of your 401k. Rebecca companies are rethinking. Their workforce will look like posts corona twitter announced. Recently that it will allow some of its workforce to continue working from home forever. If they choose to do so do you think the workplace will ever look the same. This is huge. And I don't think that the workplace will look the same for a long time and you think about the ripple effect of what something like that means for these major companies that are now saying you can work from home. Suddenly metropolises like New York and San Francisco in Los Angeles in Chicago. Where the cost of living is so expensive. And what you get for. Your dollar is so little but you choose to live there because you go to work. There will suddenly for people. Who have that flexibility now. They can be thinking actually. I'd like to move somewhere with more space. That isn't directly in the city. And what we have already seen. Since this crisis began is some movement out of urban areas just in the area New York where I am only about. Fifty percent according to the census fifty percent of the people who were there before the crisis are still here. And so you're seeing this flight. Out of cities and for many millennials and young families out of cities are looking a lot more popular sunny. I think the other thing we're going to see is even companies that do welcome their employees back. We'll do it in chefs. Not everyone's coming back every single day. Google just today said that. Sixty percent of their workforce will come back one day a week towards the end of this year. Banks are doing that but of course there is. There are two economies in the US. There's the economy where you can work from home. And then there's the service economy where you are at essential employees right now and you have to be there on the job to make money and this is raising so many questions about that as well and the future structure of our economy because it's an impossible decision for so many families right now so many. Thank you BECCA Jarvis. We love when you come talk to us because you you make it clean and understandable. Thank you we'll be right back. Oh thank you. We're capturing all of our best moments on instagram followers at the view. Abc If you're looking for a really sweet view so that's it really for the Dan. You know joy. You seem to be very surprised that people are doing the high jock see Clark Win But as it turns out those two trials at the University of Minnesota and there's a federal chow going on to see if this has any any good stuff for folks who have it so you know. I guess it's better if we're checking all kinds of things as long as we're still trying to flatten this curve. Which I think is happening granted I I appreciate the fact the guy was sick and then he could take it but if you read about this drug it has intense side effects. It's really not. We'll see it's good. I'm says but not for this right but but it's good for us saying have a great day every he take a little time to enjoy the view. Don't forget to wash your hands. And if they tell you to take the medicine you have to talk to your doctor about that. That's better we'll see you tomorrow.

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EP. 151: EMERGENCY PODCAST SYSTEM - The Trump Coup

RUMBLE with MICHAEL MOORE

44:03 min | Last month

EP. 151: EMERGENCY PODCAST SYSTEM - The Trump Coup

"Everyone This is michael moore and i'm Coming to you from my an inside my apartment in my podcast studio This is dow and I see that. Hopefully they Signaling here is good enough where we won't be going in and out But i wanted to talk to you. Tell you what i know. I've been in contact for pretty much. The last four hours with the congressman from michigan daniel kildee and And it started actually back around the after one o'clock where he informed me that These mob had broken into the capitol building a broken into some of the house office buildings and they were in fact and this is a. This is around just before one thirty. I think This afternoon and i immediately turned on cable news and they were nothing nothing chuck todd. Msnbc was waxing poetic about mitch mcconnell's great Speech on the On the floor of the us senate. And only when i turned on fox which would naturally of course be the network of the coup They were right on it. They had cameras with the protesters who they called protesters at that time I wished the networks would quit calling them protesters. Msnbc they're finally calling them a mob or rioters This is a trump terrorist. Bob they have taken over the capitol building. It wasn't hard because there was no resistance. There were very very few capital police on duty for some reason and they just went in by the thousands now and have Taken the place over our capitol building and they have they been trying to climb up to the top. Get up to the top of the building. Been trying to take down the american flag and and they've got a trump flag a blue trump flag that they wanna put up there. They somehow commandeered the Mechanism that the use for window. Washers the the thing that goes up and down They got on that they got up a couple of floors on the capitol building operating a mechanically. There's a lot of things like that right now. At the capitol building because the inauguration is two weeks from today and so there are a camera towers. They've commandeered those. They've taken over the cameras hours. They've been repelling up the walls You'll see pictures of this if you haven't seen them already it's it it it. It does not look random. It does not look unplanned. Trump had a big rally with all of them down. The washington monument got him fired up told them a crime was being committed he won the election. It's been it's rigged. It's a fraud stolen. Got them all fired up. And then he attacked pence because penn said said well. He wasn't sure at the time whether pencils going to go along with this. And as i heard it shortly after the rally word got through went through the crowd. That penn said in fact said that he was not going to stop The counting of the electoral votes that was put out to the crowd to incite them. When this is all over in the remember. We're only four hours into this. But for last four hours i've been On the phone on the phone with congressman kildee And talking to other people in the know and This does not seem like something that was just random So we don't know we'll find out. We'll find out even if the pence the pence announcement that he wasn't going to support trump was used to incite the crowd because they started rushing down. Pennsylvania avenue down constitution avenue from the washington monument to the capitol building. And when they got there they just burst right in. Nobody stopped them. There was nothing no. Nobody was blocked. Shots were fired. Nothing and So i got this. I got my first text from congressman. Kildee here i see one thirty two and he says that they broke in. They broke it in there in the mob is in and and then one of the members of the mob broke the glass window on the doors. The actual document leading to the house chamber Other mobsters were over at the senate side. They broke in one of them. Went up and went up on the podium and grab the gavel. Hoping don't just another another one was climbing down from the balcony. You'll see these pictures if you haven't already. And most of the members of congress ran a they have these so-called hoods that are under their seat in case of terrorism. They're essentially a gas mask. And whatever and the four hundred and thirty five members of congress and their staff They got out of there and they went to secure locations closets wherever Congressman kildee was one of about thirty who decided not to not to run and not to And to stay which was very brave. And they all made a decision to take their congressional pin off that signifies them as a member of congress so that once once the The terrorists got in. they may be. They may not be able to know who was. A member congressman. Who wasn't because that's the thing that tells you who is a member of congress. So they all they all took that off and and then they Shots were fired. Dan is Dan kildee the congressman. Is texting me all this. At the time He's laying face down flat on the floor of our united states congress in fear of his life but not retreating staying there. I've known him since high school. He's a well-known hockey player in high school and flint. He text me. This is almost an hour later. He texts me. Because i'm telling him i'm watching this. I'm watching it all on on fox news. He says he says. Can you see if the national guard has arrived. He's inside in fear of his life. Taking cover shots are being fired. There's hardly any police around completely A overwhelmed undermanned under woman. And he's asking me. I'm watching on. Tv he is a member of congress. And he's asking me. Can you see if the national guard is there. And i wrote back and i said no. I see national guard. I think they'd somehow been told that the guard was on its way but of course the guard wasn't on its way because because dc is a state. The mayor can't order the national guard. And we'll find out what happened here. Because i've already seen some early. Reports trump was monitoring this and not sending in the national guard. Now in the last are. We've learned that. The mayor dc has called an essentially. Begged the governor of virginia. Next door to please send in his national guard governor north and and he is doing that right now and the and the governor of maryland next door is sending in state police. Because in our nation's capital the mayor has little power and cannot even protect. Forget about the city the people who are representatives in the united states senate and congress. And i'm reading this from congress and kill them. What can i do the guard. No there's no guard there's no guard out there. There's no guard coming back a couple of hours ago. Angry thinking about how this was black lives matter if this was you know what i'm talking about. Well if they would've all been shot first of all what got in the building every single one of them would have been shot. There's some reports that some of these these. Some of this mob are armed. We don't know the shots that are being fired if they're being shot fired by police or by the trump supporters. I asked dan congressman kelly I texted him. i asked them to. Please stay safe. We're very good friends as i've mentioned He's a couple of years younger than me. It goes back to high school times and I've been very upset and angry. Sorry to the this. Because i'm angry at the whole the whole kit and caboodle of this reports are coming in that that these trump supporters are storming the statehouses in georgia. Texas kansas utah. I can't give you any confirmation that a we'll learn this later tonight. Hopefully with our news media What exactly is going on but it. It's a so i mean. People have been texting in fact friends of mine who are currently texting. Because i see your texts coming in. I can't i can't answer right now. Infected blocks half the screen. So i forgot to turn off the notification thing before i started this. Oh my i apologize for that. I am reading Many of your comments here So thank you for all of you. Who are feeling very much the same way. There's going to have to be an investigation to find out how they were so easily able to enter the capitol building who plan this was trump in on it. Was he aware of it. He's they finally. He just got him to to do a short video. Where he's telling you. I want peace and you should go home but he does but he does the whole thing. The whole that's like ten seconds and the other five minutes is this election was stolen from us. You're not wrong. You should be upset. I feel your pain. What he just said to. These people who are who have taken siege of our united states capital. I know my history fairly well. Other than the war of eighteen twelve with the british seized the capital and burned down the white house while there have been incidents of violence at the capital. A few times over these two hundred plus years. I know of no time when literally a mob. A group of terrorists have been so easily able to enter and take the place over and are still holding right now as we speak i. I'm trying to watch my language. Because i am pacifist. I'm a peaceful person. I do not believe in violence. I believe in self defense i. There is a coup underway. Who's behind this who's approved. Who has turned their head. The other way We don't know but this is a coup. This is an actual coup and i know of no time in our history where this has happened other than the war of eighteen twelve where our capital. Our white house has been taken over. And that's the situation. We're in right now. We just. We went for at least three hours without seeing or hearing from joe biden and i again was very worried and i kept asking online. Where is he is he safe. Is he safe. Kamla harris is not safe comma harris. Was there when the started in there. Because she's still a senator so she's they're participating in the certification of the electoral college vote. I assume somebody got out of there. They certainly got pence out of their trump. Certainly wasn't worried about pence safety. In fact he said his rally. He was going to be very mad at pence for participating in what he constitutionally was required to do today which is to Preside over the certification of joe biden. Biden came out. Finally in front of the microphones about an hour ago and And i'm i'm wearing the the first time i've worn this hat. Somebody gave this week before the election. so i'm i'm wearing it in large part because i want him to be safe. I want him protected. There's a coup underway. And he came out and he gave the sort of same kind of gentle decent decent guys speech. He called upon trump to address the american people that you know twenty minutes later we got that five minute video from trump. That was just reiterating. The fact that he won the election and he doesn't plan really going anywhere at the moment. You know people like myself. I don't know i'm so mad at this. You've heard me you those of you who follow me on facebook instagram twitter. Who listened to my rumble podcast. Every week. i've been saying this. I've been saying it's his twenty seventeen. I've been saying that since his inauguration that the span is not to be trusted and he'll never leave you'll never leave white house When i had my my i did back in twenty seventeen and broadway. I had a whole section on this. I'm not leaving and you know. I've had to listen to people. Tell me through these years. Good people. Mike mike calm down. It's that second happen. United states of america yes. Trump is crazy. But in on this and the more when i been allowed to be on cable news The more i would say it or suggests that the more Nervous it made certain people some hosts Didn't give up on what i was trying to say. And gave me the microphone in the voice to be able to say to warn the american people that were in deep deep deep trouble and even if we win in twenty twenty. And i'm i'm not the only one who's been saying this others Have been trying to say this and people haven't been listening now here we are. We had over one hundred and forty members of the house today. Enter the house of representatives saying that they were going to participate in an act of sedition. They were going to try to stop the legal legitimate vote of the american people from taking place and making joe biden president one hundred and forty plus republicans in the us house of representatives signed onto that. And at least sixteen senators. It's an act of treason. Almost i mean. I don't like to say that because i believe in free speech i believe you should say exactly how you feel if you think that's what you think. That's you know but still man. They're ready to vote. And the and the debate had just started got to zona. They're calling the states by and once they're they're zona. Tally was given the voted for biden. They republicans stood up objected. It was stopped and then they had to debate. The republicans stood up and cheered edition. What are we going to do with them when this is over i heard some democrats are saying they want to continue this tonight. They want to get the mob out of the building and go on and then of course that is the right thinking. Never ever let the terrorists win. So yes that would be great if that happened. It may not happen. There are tens of of these trump terrorists inside the building outside the building. There's surrounding it. I gotta tell ya. I've filmed a lot there at the capitol buildings very hard to get in very hard to get A backpacker on camera case through very very hard. And they're all up there. They're all around the surrounding their climbing up a couple of floors and i says i said that one of their goals is to take down our american flag that that flies above the capital and replace it with trump flag. Don't be fooled by these these so-called patriots. They've never really been patriots. They hate this country. They hate this country because it's no longer the white man's country the white man doesn't rule anymore it has to share power and soon it will have to give up the power because white men will no longer hold that majority in hold their power and this frightens them their form of white supremacy they don't wear klan robes they don't burn crosses they're just everyday americans who like it white and nice and that's really at the. I think the core of their anger they know the country's become it's more diverse. We just we just ran a record number of women into our house of representatives. Still not enough though. I mean everybody's really happy. We got twenty. Eight percent of of congress of the house now are are women. Twenty eight percent. Women are fifty one to fifty two percent of the population but hey we got they represent twenty eight percent of the power. We have ways to go here folks and they know it and that's why they've taken over this building and that's why they've stopped the proceedings to officially make joe biden president of the united states. I'm just reading some comments here Can anybody tell me. Has there been any reports. The comma harris is safe. Because last time i star on the screen she was in the building Yeah just i'll try to catch it if somebody can type it To me here it's So congressman kildee represents plant grew up in flint and flint. He said he said to me. I have to tell you. This is the first time. I've ever been caught in gunfire in the middle of gunfire. He's from flint. I mean just think about that per anybody any of us from detroit. Whatever the level of poverty and the level of despair over the years the amount of police shootings of unarmed people. Quite a statement. They would often write that in the paper and flynn some kid. Some soldier would come back in a box from iraq or afghanistan. The irony that they had survived flint michigan Survived detroit but would die in iraq or afghanistan. And that dan kildee we believe is still inside the building national guard when i came in when i started this head from virginia had not arrived yet. Or somebody just said that Come la- harris posted on her facebook seven minutes ago that she's fine. I have a couple of other friends to that In congress that have been posting that. They're fine i just wanna write them and say no. You're not. I mean. I know you want. Let your family know you're alive and you're safe and whatever but this mob this group of terrorists. Some of them reportedly armed are still there. The all the police that need to get in. There can't make their way in there. I don't know what the guard's going to do. But i have to tell you. I don't know these republicans my friends. I'm sorry we have to stop this. We have to stop them. We have to get people to stop voting for them they. They were not always like this. We disagreed with them but they are there behind. This trump is behind this. I mean they didn't necessarily sit down last night at the kitchen table. And plot the whole thing out but they have ignited this flame. They have stoked it for years. This was always going to be the logical conclusion. Those of you are writing here saying you know that you're stunned and You can't believe this has happened no i. I know you don't believe that. I know you don't believe that you can't believe it hasn't happened. Of course you believe it. Of course you knew. This is what was going to happen. This was always going to happen. Especially once trump got in there. We are violent nation we invade countries. We've caused so much death and destruction around the world we pull out of the climate accord's so we can cause even more death and destruction around the world not with guns and bomber planes but but with our environment and what we do environment it you know it just. They're probably people watching this now in other countries. Thinking well mike. There's your come up and you get what you deserve and well. I don't know nobody deserves this. I don't want to believe that. Even though i know the truth in that statement that we've created our own kerma here. You know what's going to happen. Let me just let me lay this out for the right wingers who are tuning into this snack and work and you will not hold power again in our lifetime for what you've done this week for how you've behaved before the election in after the election you've lost so many of your people. They will never vote for you again. I hope this is your end. I don't wanna live in a one party country. We need to parties when he three parties. We need four parties. I mean we should have whatever many parties we should have. That represents the various spectrum of political thinking in this country but you use specifically right now. You republicans you've played an evil hand in the american people will never support you again like this and i know some of you are saying. Yeah but mike and trump got sub four million votes. That's not nothing I know i know that will change. It may take a little while but remember. They're always going to be on the losing end. They will never have as many people as we have because of who they are what they believe in and this is a country. This is becoming a country. That's also. I mean the average age of the people in this country thirty six years old young people who are not haters weren't bigots who don't believe in white supremacy not saying there aren't some that do obviously there are but we already know those of us. The boomers the older generations. Whatever we've raised a good group of kids who are now adults and in these next four years as biden president in these just these. That's four years of the demographic. Show that sixteen million more young people who are now between the ages of fourteen and seventeen. We'll turn eighteen. We'll be voters by the next election. Sixteen more sixteen million more young people and more black citizens and more hispanic and latino citizens are more asian the whole gamut white people. It's not it's not going your way which is a good thing with the diversity makes us better. Don't fear it embrace it to those of you who support this siege right now this coup we will have to deal with you those who were participants those who are leaders of it you are going to be dealt with and i encourage i beg president biden. Do not pull back from that. Do not come by this moment. Yes always reach out to everyone because you are the president of all americans as you reminded us but do not pull back. The lesson hasn't learned if there are not consequences to the actions that were taken today. We will see this happen. Not only again. It will be worse so president biden as you left the brief statement that you made a reporter shouted out a question and i didn't hear your first words because they didn't have the microphone quite allen but you shouted out the end of it and you said you screened enough is enough and he said it again. Enough is enough. That's the joe biden we need. You have to protect us from the crazies or this will happen again and again and again. They need to know they will be met with consequences. The people watching this right now. Are you with me on this. Yes i could. I could see your comments here. Don't be afraid of those seventy four million a lot. Some will change over the years. They'll realize their way. That way wasn't really a good way. There kids if we make short during the biden years and beyond that that the Children of this country have great schools to go to and if they're educated if their books to read if we support our libraries if we make sure they're open seven days a week and full books the more they learn the more they read the more intelligent. They become the more we win. They're not going to be wearing red mega hats. They'll be embarrassed by their parents and their grandparents behavior in the years to come and they will not they will not be that the majority of them will not be that so. We do our job to make sure that the youth and if we do our job to make sure that young adults have good jobs that we restore the middle class with good pay with no college debt with no debt at all. If you get sick none if we do these basic things we will win over even more of that group of and they'll see that this is the right way we don't have a choice really doing because we're not gonna do to them what they would do us if we took over the trump building the trump white house the reagan white house if we had done any of that during that time and the only thing you realize you watch the footage today how it is to be white. Isn't it as long as they're white and carrying those american flags and the trump flags. No cop was going to open fire. There were no rubber bullets. After a couple of hours there was some tear gas. That was it. I mean i have to feel for the capitol police. Somebody put them in an awful scary position. There's footage of running. There's footage of them running from the terrace inside the capitol building. Because they were they were outnumbered and they knew they knew that these assholes had guns. You know the same ones who like the l. Blue lives matter support. The police don't define the police and then when they encounter the police they seek to injure the police or trying to protect our building. That's what they really are. Don't ever be full by any of this patriotic nonsense. They hate the country. They hate what the country's becalm they. They they they despise their fellow americans right now we should what we should be doing right now is saving lives record numbers of people that are dying because of covid record numbers of people who are getting sick. We should be talking about how we just picked up two senate seats in georgia. Probably history will write this hours. After biden and the democrats won the united states senate and took over two seats in the deep south white people and confederacy took over to republican seats. Were voted out by the people of georgia. The people georgia voted out the republicans. Both of them holding incumbent positions one was a special Appointment still incumbent. And the people of georgia replace them with a black man and a jewish man. Oh that's hurt the anger in their faces today storming the capital knowing this. The blacks the jews the women. They're all taking over and and they've gone frigging insane. They have to be stopped. They have to be arrested. They have to be tried. There has to be consequences for their actions. Today that's the loving thing to do to make sure that this day which has never really happened in our history where our own people have taken over our united states. Congress never in history till today that this never happened again this this stain on us. We'll be read about for years and decades to come and we let it happen because nobody really wanted to go. After trump that much the media tried to respect him. You ain't got to respect. The office got to respect the presidency. He gotta didn't want to didn't want to call him. The trader at he is was just before i came in here. I heard the word sedition. Finally or even biden said it in his talk today. It bordered on sedition ford you you storm the capitol building. You take it over. Shots are fired. There's somebody already shot that just before. I came in critical condition. Listen i'm going to get back. I want to. I want to Get back and talk to congressman. Kildee and i want to talk to a couple of other members of congress that our friends and get more information on what happened. What's really going on and I just ask the media. Please use the correct. These are not protestors. This is an act of terrorism. I know if you wanna say domestic terrorism. That's okay it softens it a little bit. Maybe help joke to say it be better. Start calling trump for what he really is. He's still got two weeks folks. You can say what he really is. He's a fucking traitor and he hates this country so much his narcissism his sociopath misses his psychopathic is. He's he's such. I can't believe we got through the four years. Almost it's just that when you stop and think about it sank. We almost made it. Will we get through the next twenty four hours when we get through the next two weeks until this man is inaugurated in commerce is new vice president. Please be safe those who are protecting them. Protect them those of you. Who are active in your communities and and I know i hear from a lot of you. You're sometimes you're very afraid of what can happen. I understand that. I've had to live many years with my own security. The door the door at where i live has to be a a metal door that you can't get through triple and quadruple locked but remember. There's a reason to act with courage and decency in realistic hope. In our fellow americans there with us our georgian americans with us look what they did. Help us yesterday. God bless everyone enjoyed. Thank you for that and Thank you all for checking Maybe i'll i'll. I'll do this again. later tonight after we see more and more information about what's what's coming in and I i haven't been able to read everything that's been scrolling. So many people here But I'll find out more. And maybe some of what i said is either been updated corrected. Whatever but i didn't want to wait much longer. Because i've been dealing with us since a little after one o'clock this afternoon and just stunned it. I that the Cable news wasn't immediately covering it. And of course fox was because you know an and are many fox commentators pooh poohing it but boy a great moment a great moment for them. Sorry about the the hair. We all need haircut shave all right. My friends Let's hope we get through this. Those who pray pray those who act. Act send letters to your members and your senators and god damn it. Never vote for republican again that this is the end of them. It's what's very american. The whig party went away. there was a there was. What was the democratic republican party. Very early on went away. The party went away there. This has to go away to. I'm sorry folks those of you who thought of yourselves before as good republicans who don't support what happened today former new party and make your pitch to people to join but the current republican party. The white people's party done done and done abbas all of you But several hope for the best here and to my few friends there in congress If you're watching this right now please please be safe. Please know that this isn't the end of it unless we take care of the people who did this very critical and we have the votes in the senate now. We literally could impeach him. Try him voice vote. We'll take an hour in the house Give him a day for his trial and then out. Don't even let them get To inauguaration ration- day if we lived in a true just country he would have already been arrested in the last hour. Never again labor. Can my friends be well. Please thank you very much.

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Mark Levin: election denial and coping with a system no longer rigged for the wealthy

Rusted Culture Podcast

14:05 min | 3 months ago

Mark Levin: election denial and coping with a system no longer rigged for the wealthy

"So folks on monday. Mark levin was back at it again complaining complaining about the pennsylvania supreme court dismissing a lawsuit from congressman mike kelly in about six other republicans they were trying to invalidate millions of absentee ballots that were legally cast by pennsylvanians. Millions of ballots. Just throw them out. And they were trying to get him thrown out on technicalities they claim but the real kicker here folks was at the lawsuit that they filed was way too late because a year had passed between the time that the changes were made in pennsylvania to the anti ballots. Which were i thought they were innocuous. They didn't seem to be anything worth complaining about which is probably why they never raised their hand in the first place so a year went by before they decided to complain. And guess what else happened. Of course trump lost and that was one of the biggest reasons why they decided to complain. And the pennsylvania supreme court said in their opinion that and i quote it was beyond cavil that petitioners failed to act with due diligence and representing the instant claim. So basically the pennsylvania supreme court is saying. Listen you guys. You could have raised this issue. Four months five months ago six months ago eleven months ago a year has passed. And you wait until the election and not only that. But it's been certified at this point so you really have no standing to bring this case. It's just amazing to me folks. How somebody as smart as mark levin. And he's he's no dummy somebody as smart as mark levin perpetuates election fraud. Claims like this It just doesn't make any sense and then it that's not just the half of it then mark levin tries to say that that the reason why he doesn't tell you he doesn't tell you that a year went by when the changes were made to the absentee ballot system. A year had passed. He doesn't say don't bring don't bring that up mark. Don't bring up the fact that they waited here would he tries to do. Folks is tell you that they didn't bring it up earlier because they had no standing. They had no standing when in reality mark. They did have standing when the changes were made. They could have raised their hand but they had to have the right lawsuit to do it. You can't challenge an election in to the end and challenge an election and then say oh hey wait you know those those rules that you change. They didn't make any sense. Now you've got to construct a lawsuit that makes sense at the time for something that you want to complain about. And they didn't do that. But here's what mark had to say a minute. You can only be in front of this court. If you've been harmed in somewhere you're accusing somebody or some institutional harming you otherwise you don't have standing under pennsylvania congressman kelly candidate sean. Parnell and the other six plaintiffs had no standing. If they would have brought this case earlier a different case yes they had no standard had to wait for the election in order to bring their case wrong which is exactly what they did. No no like. I said folks that they felt that they had a problem with the chargers that were made. They could have constructed a lawsuit. They have raised their hand over a year ago and brought the complaint. But they didn't seem to do that. They didn't seem to care until donald trump lost. See how that works and see how he frames it. So all of his people so that it makes sense and then mark levin turned to just his overall state of denial over the election. They're all dealing with this. It's a state of denial that buying got ninety five percent of the democrat melons. Okay twenty one percent or one fifth of the republican melons. No way yes yes. We percent of the independent mellon that show just fifty two percent supportive no way yes way. Yes mark you thought. The election was a blowout mark levin before the election. You thought it you just knew it was in the bag for donald trump. It was a blowout. It just wasn't a blowout for your man. Then mark moved on to complain about how the media of which he's a part of obviously how the media didn't say anything bad about biden's picks for this officer or that office hit. Nobody complained they were. There was no controversy and he went on to blame the media for that. I mean. it's it's insanity here heavy. Listen let's not pretend and of course. The media in this country are very very satisfied. Nobody's controversial no because they all socialize with each other they all celebrate with each other. They have sex with each other. It's grotesque or grotesque mark. The media are a contemptible joke. No you're a joke. I mean what are you would you. Would you know about sacks mark my god and that's a little dramatic isn't it. Where's he going with this. I mean he do you folks think for a second thet. The national review is out there tip and back cocktails with washington. Post josh dossier or new york. Times maggie haberman. I mean come on mark. They don't do this. that's a joke. You know nothing about what you're talking about there. I don't get into that other stuff. So then the state of denial just perpetuated the state of denial. That trump has lost. It just went on and on and it continued with mark. Discussing how black voters. This time folks. They turned out in philadelphia. Milwaukee and detroit and astronomic numbers but mark seems to think that there couldn't be a many conspiracy with how yeah they turned out astronomically those three cities but what about chicago and what about new york. The didn't turn out in those kind of numbers. There were massive and black voting in a handful of cities. Not in new york. Not an la not in chicago philadelphia. Detroit and milwaukee right. That doesn't even pique the interest of national review or any of the others. Why should it so. What is the answer to that. Trump's a boob trump is great disgrace markets over. For god's sakes it's over you know. I i just can't I know it's really hard for you but it's time to move on mark. It's time to move on. He just he just can't though folks. He still clings to the lies. It would be like it would be like a as if the titanic passenger was clinging to a bit of the ship and the frigid. Atlantic ocean. Saying it's unthinkable. It's unsinkable my godman. You're clinging to a piece of the ship in the ocean. I don't get it. I don't get it folks. And then he. He peddled this little fabrication. Have listen to this missing. Votes in delaware county pennsylvania fifty thousand votes held on forty seven. Usb cards are missing. Oh really you think you think they're missing mark mark. You should know better than this. I mean you're a smart guy and you should know better if votes to wait. Do we have to take this down to like a maybe a kindergarten level. So you might get this if votes were missing. The paper ballots would also have to be missing. Because that's what they counted paper ballots. They don't count votes on. Usb stick mark. Everything's backed up with a paper ballot. For god's sakes what they do is they run these things through the machines and if the usb stick for whatever reason didn't have the votes on it they'd say hey folks look you know. Something's not right here. We've got to check this out because we've got fifty thousand more paper ballots. We do ballots on the votes on the usb. Stick so come on mark it's time to move on it. Put put all this guy s away. For god's sake for all marks talk about that pennsylvania lawsuit that was dismissed screaming that it should go to the supreme court and blah blah blah. You know what the this is. The interesting folks for all of that conversation about what. The pennsylvania supreme court did you know what the pennsylvania legislature thinks the republican legislature in pennsylvania. You know what they think of. All this you know with the pennsylvania legislature is doing on november thirtieth mr producer today november thirty december. I you know what they're doing today. They're ending their session. Despite all that's going on there ending their session surprise the pennsylvania republican legislators yup deal with it. It's shock i know she's going to have to deal with it. Why don't these republican legislators step up because there's no there is no problem that's it. I mean work. That should tell you a lot right there. That should tell you a lot mark. That should tell you something. Take a hint take mark then folks you know mark decided to use. I called call. It projecting behavior to shape the democrats in totality as part of some cult is where he was going with. This and projecting behavior basically is unconsciously taking unwanted emotions or traits. That you don't like about yourself in attributing them to someone else. Donald trump does this all the time. Remember in that debate in back in two thousand sixteen with hillary. You're a puppet. No year that bobby. He's a puppet of putin. That's where she was going with it but that's psychological projection. Have listen to this. It wants power so that you have to have allegiance not your country not to your flag not the your anthem allegiance of the democrat party. No hardy substitutes for government the party substitutes for country. Wrong all about party. You also see this in fascistic regimes by the way also see republicans. You're the one with the cult mark. This is exactly what donald trump has been to. The republican party for the past four years is the cult leader. You're the one that's pandering these fraudulent lies about the election fraud. You're the one that's pandering all this. I mean that's that's exactly what it is that's projection folks. They're saying the democrats are the same thing that they are. It's basically a cult at this point. The dc republicans have got a cult going and they just are in denial over the fact that they're cult leader. Donald trump is not going to be there for another four years but Folks mark went on to talk about some other stuff here in in basically at the at the core of all of this. Mark is an elitist. That's the problem. He a rich fat and happy elitist any to keep it that way. donald trump. you have to understand that. Donald trump was doing exactly that for people like mark levin keeping him fat and happy and what scares mark levin. The most what scares mark. The most here is a system. That's not rigged. Finally what scares him. The most is a system that's not rigged to the benefit of the rich. Have a listen to this folks when you think about it. The democrat party. It's agenda mostly what to redistribute what you own and your income really to democrats. No no no which you're afraid of mark is that the party's over and i'm not talking about socialism folks. I'm not talking about democrats being socialist. That's not that's not any of what this is about. I'm talking about a fair. Tax system not riddled with loopholes for the rich and i'm talking about rescinding. The trump tax cuts that favored people like mark levin top. The fat and happy cat's sitting right there at the top. I'm also talking about things like having an environmental protection agency. That's allowed to do their job. And not the will of the rich whose companies find it easier to pollute rather than worry about the environment mark and climate change. That's what i'm talking about. Mark just can't grapple with the fact here folks that the party's over mark. There's new sheriff in town. His name is joe biden. You gotta get used to it my friend. 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Scandal 26: Abscam

Political Scandals

44:57 min | 10 months ago

Scandal 26: Abscam

"In the year leading up to the twenty twenty election we're counting down the biggest scandals in American political history. This is number twenty six abscam and if the I sting that ended in the arrests of seven us. Legislators December nineteen seventy-nine South Carolina Congressman John Jenrette and his friend. John stow sat in a townhouse in Washington. Dc considering a bribe across the table from them was anthony. Amoroso aid to shake Yasser Habib. The shake has some minor immigration problems. The kind of difficulties jenrette could easily clear up by introducing tailor-made legislation in exchange. For the congressman's help the shake offered fifty thousand dollars in cash. Jenrette hemmed and hawed for a while before finally admitting he was in trouble in his home state for Tampering. With a grand jury. If that investigation moved forward Jenrette confessed his name on legislation would be worth toilet paper a morose. Oh asked whether Jenrette would make the deal. Provided the South Carolina investigation against him was dropped suddenly. The legislature became enthusiastic. I got larceny in my blood. He chored old. I'd take it in a God damn minute across the table. The SHAKES AIDS. Sat back in his chair stunned. He's gotten exactly what he needed to take down a sitting Congressman Yassir. Habib didn't exist on Morose. So was an undercover. Fbi agent and he'd taped the whole meeting now. Congressman Jenrette was headed for jail. Welcome to political scandals. Apar- cast original. I'm Richard and I'm kate you can find. All EPISODES OF POLITICAL SCANDALS. And all other podcasts originals. For Free On spotify. Or Wherever. You listen to podcasts to stream political scandals for free spotify just open the APP and type political scandals in the search bar at park cast. We're grateful for you our listeners. You allow us to do what we love. Let us know how we're doing reach out on facebook and Instagram at par cast and twitter at podcast network the FBI's Abscam case showed the American public. Exactly how low many elected officials were willing to go money? It put crooked legislators behind bars. Many Americans applauded the bureau for exposing the Conman in Congress but some say abscam was the FBI's retaliation against Congress for investigating federal agents abuse of power defense attorneys accused. The bureau of entrapment legal speak for tricking someone into committing a crime in order to prosecute them and finally the FBI's use of fictitious shakes was criticized for playing up harmful. Stereotypes of Middle Eastern. People will leave it up to you to decide whether the ABSCAM investigation should be celebrated for cleaning out corruption. In Congress or scorned for helping to usher in an era of domestic surveillance and Islamophobia while the F. B. I. May have been calling the shots. Melvin Weinberg was Ab- scams leading man born on December fourth nineteen twenty four. He started scamming in elementary school stealing gold stars from his first Grade Teacher's desk. His father's small glass installation business just covered the Weinberg families. Tiny Bronx apartment. Meanwhile a few blocks away. Some of Mel's friends lived in suburban homes with big grassy. Long's this inequity made him furious. Young Melvyn decided that if life wasn't fair then he wouldn't be either. He was going to become wealthy by Hook or by. Crook yet on December seventh. Nineteen forty one. The attack of Pearl Harbor interrupted. Melvin plan to get rich like so many other young American men. He volunteered for world war. Two he was only seventeen but the naval construction force or CB's accepted him. While serving his country. Mel found time to help himself to. He recalled quote. I learned that just as long as you march into some supply house with a bunch of guys and look like you know what you're doing you can march out with your arms full and nobody's going to ask you a question. The Melvin Weinberg signature was born. Act like you belong there. Sell your story with confidence and you'll get away with just about anything after leaving the military in nineteen forty six at the age of twenty one. Melvin went to work. As an enforcer for the glazers union his job was to break the windows of businesses who hired non union glass installers every night. Mel broke a few windows the next day. He showed up on behalf of his glass company offering to replace them. Mel's scam raked in the cash. So much of it. In fact that he had to find new places to put his money he started buying dry cleaning. Businesses and hamburger shops by the early nineteen seventies. Mel had all the hallmarks of a mid level crook. The gambling habit long nights drinking the friends who borrowed his dry cleaning trucks to pull hijackings still. It wasn't enough. Mel wanted to be rich. Not just comfortable and connected looking for ways to earn more money. He found out about front end loan scams. They were the hot new thing in financial crimes at the time. Here's the basic rundown they pray on anyone in need of alone who often can't qualify through a traditional bank that's the mark in comes the scammer who pretends to represent a foreign bank with money to lend the complicated application process makes the mark trust the scammer who then offers to process their loan application for a fee of course of a couple grand. The funny thing about this scam is sometimes. It worked in favor of the marks. Their initial loan application to the foreign bank would be rejected of course because the bank was fake and had no money but after breaking this bad news melwood reassure the mark that for a little more money they could get certificates of deposit from the Offshore Bank verifying that they had deposited a large sum. The mark could then use that as collateral to get an actual loan from a local bank. The mark got their loan. Mel got his cash and prosecuting. This kind of crime was a low priority. Marks who reported front end scams to the feds were told to try suing in civil court. Should that ever happen well? Mel had great lawyers on Call Front End Scams became. Mel's life's work. He even involved his girlfriend. Evelyn of British expatriate eighteen years. His junior he would call her lady. Evelyn and pretend she was one of Britain's if an ugly little bald guy had a gorgeous British heiress on his arm potential Marx would think he had to be very rich. Didn't tell her she was part of a fraud. Evelyn just thought he liked to see her play. The Role Mel managed to rake in enough money to take his company. London investors international by the Mid Seventies. He was offering loans to businessmen and crime bosses all over the world but while Mel was expanding his wallet the FBI was expanding. Its ability to prosecute these scams after Watergate. The G. Men began to focus on white collar. Crime and in February of Nineteen seventy seven. Mel was indicted by a federal grand jury in Pittsburgh for Wire Fraud Mail fraud and conspiracy the FBI could have just thrown the king of Front End Scams in jail but one supervising agent. John Good had a better idea. Mel was maybe the most gifted con artist the FBI had ever come across. Why put a perfectly good? Fbi informant behind bars. That didn't mean he trusted him. John Good Studied Mel Weinberg like a textbook and he spotted one big weakness the so called lady. Evelyn the FBI got a warrant for her arrest and dangled it in front of Melle. Mel was forced to tell Evelyn about his real occupation and that she too was now implicated as she sobbed. Mel promised her that he'd make things right he did so by calling the FBI and telling them he'd plead guilty if only they'd let lady Evelyn Go. Of course that was exactly what they wanted. The FBI has big plans and a long leash for Mel Weinberg High Listeners. If you still haven't heard my new park has series daily quote. I'm excited to share today's episode with you. It's a quote novelist playwright and activist James Baldwin. If you enjoy this episode make sure to follow daily quote free on spotify or wherever you get your podcasts. Good morning and welcome to daily quote a podcast original. I'm Kate Leonard. Today's quote from author James Baldwin. He said the price one pays for pursuing any profession or calling is an intimate knowledge of its ugly side. Next will explore how this quote can inspire your day now. Let's explore this quote from James Baldwin. If anyone was familiar with the ugly side of life it was James Baldwin who felt so alienated as a Gay Black Man in Nineteen Forties America. That he moved to France at the age of twenty four but Baldwin didn't give up or quit as a result of the ugliness. He confronted it head on not only in his writing but as an icon an intellectual pillar of the civil rights movement he became one of the most revered and successful authors of his day it takes courage dedication and strength to achieve anything difficult especially in the face of adversity any and every worthwhile pursuit will have an ugly side to the struggle. Cutthroat peers unbreakable glass ceilings systemic favouritism the ugliness of course is relative for each person and endeavor what's essential is to acknowledge not only the ugliness but also how much we can realistically control or change where we stake a claim. And where do we accept the price of admission? No matter how much it costs US emotionally once you accept the ugliness. It can become the motivation and inspiration. One needs to succeed to continue down the path so that more can follow in your footsteps. Furthermore it is the ugly side that allows us to experience the joy and satisfaction of not only pursuing a goal but ultimately achieving it. Daily is a daily podcast. Follow on spotify to make it part of your morning routine and let it inform the rest of your day. Daily quote is a podcast original. If you're listening on spotify you can share this quote with your friends on social by tapping the three dots in the top right corner of the episode. Page scrolling down to share and selecting your sharing option of choice. Remember you can find new paths to positively three hundred sixty five days a year. Follow daily quote free on spotify or wherever you get your podcasts. And now back to the story in one thousand nine hundred seventy seven fifty two year old. International con-artist Mel Weinberg made a deal with the FBI. If they let his thirty four year old girlfriend. Evelyn Knight Walk Free. He take a plea deal even if it meant going to jail the FBI or more specifically forty-one-year-old supervising agent. John Good had no intention of letting mel time a clean cut blue eyed bronx native just like mel good was the son of a federal agent. He never even considered another career now with sixteen years of experience under his belt. He was looking to make his name. In nineteen seventies world of high stakes. Financial Crimes was the place to do it. Agent good believed Mel could be highly valuable as an F. B. I. Middleman luring his fellow con artists into various traps with this in mind. Each in good sent two of his men Myron Fuller and Jack McCarthy to negotiate with Mel they told the con man that he and Evelyn could both stay out of prison on the stipulation. That mel deliver other white collar criminals to the FBI. Nell had no choice but to agree but at first he was far from eager to help the way. Mel Soy it agency fuller and McCarthy were bland cops who lacked the creativity of their boss. Agen good they'd be of little help as he tried to snare his fellow scammers. So Mel said about concocting his own traps. Such was the invention of an unseen wealthy Arab businessman that Mel would pretend to represent this was nineteen seventy seven and OPEC the Organization of Petroleum. Exporting Countries was a hot topic in the United States just four years before the nineteen seventy three oil crisis had sent gas prices in the US through the roof anti Arab sentiment in the US spiked and the archetype of the oil-rich shake became a pop. Culture Bogeyman Mel knew how crooks mines worked being one himself. They were always looking for a bigger mark. His imaginary Arab would be a big fish but still a believable won. His targets would bend over backwards for it and then when they slipped up. Melwood hand them to the FBI MEL even provided his own recording apparatus to tape his phone calls with targets lest the FBI accuse him of lying about his conversations. Pretty Soon Mel and his imaginary shake got their first fish. Joe Tokyo a heavy for a front end. Scammer named Fred Pro Mel called Troch Gio about his Arab friend who was looking to make an investment in a criminal enterprise. Troch Yo and fred pro were quick to bite offering to provide mel with samples of counterfeit money. They were printing if his friend liked it. He too could invest in the counterfeiting ring. It only took mel three months to wrap the pro tro by then he'd gathered enough evidence for the FBI to raid pros offices arrest them and put both in prison for years supervising agent. John Good was impressed. Sure Fuller and McCarthy remained Mel's handlers but the supervising agents started sending him leads directly by the end of nineteen seventy seven Mel. Got A little promotion if you will. He was tasked with investigating high-dollar crimes. Like art. Heists another agent. Tom McShane asked for males help. In entrapping a thief peddling stolen paintings worth a million bucks catching the thief was no problem for Mel. He even bargained the price of the paintings. Down to seven hundred. Fifty thousand dollars before arranging deal. The company that had ensured the stolen paintings further surprised Mel with a ten thousand dollar reward worth about forty two thousand dollars today by the next year. Supervising agent good suggested they level up. Mel's operation now. Not only would he be posing as an associate of a fictitious wealthy Arab. They'd use the full might of the FBI to back up his story he could lure in bigger crooks with a more legitimate seeming background story. Mel invented a new shake of fictional millionaire named come beer Abdul Remond and registered a Shell Corporation to match Abdul Enterprises Ltd the FBI got a high ranking bank official involved. Who would vouch for romance wealth and as the icing on the cake the bureau created a real bank account for the shake and deposited? Cool MILLION BUCKS. This new operation was christened. Abscam that was short for our Ab- scam at first when it was brought up immediately that this was offensive. They decided it meant Abdul Scam. This wasn't exactly inoffensive offensive. Either but at least it was the actual name of their front company. Abscam first victim was another art thief. This one proved so dimwitted that when the undercover agent playing shake come beer Abdul Rahman didn't say one word and aerobic during the entire meeting. He didn't even question it the FBI decided Mel was so valuable. He deserved more than just his freedom. As compensation in July of one thousand nine hundred seventy eight mel was placed on the FBI's formal payroll. He only earned twelve thousand dollars a year or less than fifty thousand in today's dollars but they also provided him with office space for a dual limited as well as the use of a private plane and especially equipped van. This welcome news went a long way towards helping mel take pride in his undercover work. It wasn't quite the lifestyle he wants enjoyed but he was having a good time. Anyway Mel moved onto tackling securities huckster. There's many of them running versions of his old scam about fraudulent certificates of deposit. Whenever one of his targets got suspicious Malpensa doubt that soothing voice he used to use on the shopkeepers with broken windows he could make just about anyone believe he had their best interests in mind to keep Mel's cover from being blown. The FBI was careful when arresting his targets. If Mel had to be present they'd rough him up. Like any other scammer. Meanwhile he'd angrily accused the target of having brought a rat to the negotiating table. They'd also pretend to arrest any undercover agents playing the shakes employees if it was done right the arrest e believed that one of his own associates wasn't informant not mel. This formula made perfect sense to all involved. Send the X. Scammer bombers Rinse Repeat to Mel. It was the super bowl of scam. An opportunity to go up against the best in his old business and beat them neither Mel nor the FBI intended for Abscam to target corrupt politicians for his part mel had almost no interest in politics at all. The government was just a bunch of fellow crooks who found illegal scam then in October of Nineteen. Seventy eight KM SMALL-TIME FRAUDSTER. Bill Rosenberg Mel thought at first that Rosenberg wanted to sell the shake. Fraudulent certificates of deposit. But when Rosenberg arrived at Mel's rented office on Long Island he presented the Abdul Limited staff with a series of business proposals. He wasn't trying to sell securities. He was looking for an investor for various shady projects according to him one local politician. The mayor of Camden New Jersey could be bribed in exchange. Camden could provide equipment business licenses and city permits. Abscam had been created to prosecute financial crimes but the FBI wasn't going to ignore a mayor on the take. Not when he was being served up to them like a Christmas Ham with little pivoting could pursue bribery and corruption charges due to a quirk of the city's Gambling Licensing Atlantic city casino builders couldn't finance their projects through US banks so Rosenberg proposed that Abdul provide loans for the construction and wants the casinos were built. They bribed the mayor to ensure they were approved for gambling licenses. On December First Mayor Angelo Keti arrived Abdul. Ltd's Long Island headquarters. He agreed to guarantee the gambling licenses in exchange for four hundred thousand dollars. He told MEL quote. I'll give you Atlantic city without me. You do nothing. The FBI could have put era Keti in handcuffs on the spot but completely of his own accord. The mayor went on to offer to introduce the shake to other corrupt politicians. No reason to arrest just one mayor when you could use him to get every bribe-taker on the eastern seaboard. Finally Mel had found a target truly worthy of his talents as a con man. He continued to build his relationship with mayor. Eric Keti through a series of phone calls and meetings and soon the two were bosom buddies. The mayor even cut bill Rosenberg out of their relationship. Preferring to deal directly with Mel the tables had turned in less than two years at the beginning of Abscam. The bureau had the power to hold prison. Time over. Mel's head now. He had even more leverage than they did without Melanie Operation. They LOSE FAR MORE IMPORTANT ARRESTS. So Mel took a stand in the form. Of demanding new handlers. He was tired of dealing with Asian McCarthy if he wasn't replaced MEL was out agent. Good knew he couldn't replace McCarthy but admitted that he wasn't the best fit for the job so he called up agent. Anthony Marocco born in the bronx like now agent. So was a soothing. Cool-headed type who came bearing good news supervising agent. Good was also giving mellow raise to three thousand dollars per month or about twelve thousand dollars today. Thus a winning team was born. There first task was to nail the mayor. They needed to get him on tape. Taking bribe on January Twenty Ninth Nineteen seventy-nine. They got the shot. A video camera was concealed in a filing cabinet in Abdul Limited headquarters mayor. Eric Keti it on time after suggesting that the shake hire one of his friends. He slipped the two envelopes of cash into his suit. Jacket and departed. It was the first time in American. History unelected official was videotaped taking a bribe. The mayor of Camden was the first politician caught by upscale now he was about to unwittingly helped the FBI snare the second mayor era. Keti had no idea he'd been caught on tape or that. Abdul Limited wasn't an actual criminal organization after all Mel gave him a bribe. A federal sting operation would never have given him real cash or so he thought so eric. Keti was still more than willing to vouch for the imaginary shake to his fellow. Crooked Politicians Mel decided to give our Keti a little push he convinced supervising agent good and the FBI brass to let him throw a party in the mayor's honor using an abandoned Miami Yacht recently seized by the FBI. Surely Eric Hetty couldn't resist inviting his politician cronies to a party celebrating him. Agent goods signed off on the plan and it was decided that an Arabic speaking F. B. I. Agent named Richard Far Heart should portray Emir Yassir Habib at the Party on March Twenty Fourth Nineteen seventy-nine Mel was ready to welcome guests on board. It was a dangerous gambit but if it worked the corrupt mayor would be thrilled with the personal attention from what he believed to be a wealthy oil magnate. The gamble paid off Senator Harrison Arlington Williams. Junior of New Jersey showed up to honor. The mayor of Camden agent. Far Heart turned in a prize winning performance in disguise as a mere. Habib even presenting mayor. Eric Keti with the Ceremonial Saber. Supposedly from his country. It was actually from the flea market. The mayor was moved by the gesture. Soon after the successful party he offered to introduce Mel to thirteen corrupt members of the New Jersey state legislature. He also wrote out a list of federal and state officials that he believed could be bought. Mel decided to push his luck. A little bit and told Eric Kennedy cockamamie story about needing cash to finance some repairs on the yacht. They happen to cost exactly twenty five thousand dollars and he couldn't tell his boss about it because you see the damage was one of his staff's fault and he didn't want them fired. Mayor Eric Keti eagerly returned his twenty five grand to Mel telling him to use it for the boat. Mel smugly returned the cash to the FBI to pay for the party. He was winning in everyone's eyes. Before the spring of one thousand nine hundred seventy nine was over Melwood Hook Senator Williams too as it turned out just like the Mayor. The senator had his own sketchy business proposal or Abdul Limited. That's coming up next and now back to the story in April of nineteen seventy nine fifty four year. Old Conman turned. Fbi informant. Mel Weinberg made contact with New Jersey Senator Harrison Williams. His goal was to get him to accept a bribe from the imaginary shake and Emir Behind. Abdul Limited of fake companies set up by the FBI as with Camden New Jersey mayor. Angelo Eric Keti. Before him Senator Williams was excited to hammer out a business deal with Abdul Limited. He'd been unable to finance it through. Us funders the senator and his business partners wanted to purchase a titanium mine one of the few in the US so they asked the Amir for a one hundred million dollar loan as far as assurances that they pay back the loan. The senators business partners explained that the. Us government was about to use a lot of titanium for military projects like building submarines. With the mine hand they easily pay back their nine figure debt. Senator Williams also implied he influenced the federal government to buy his titanium for their military projects. So not only was. He opened bribes. He was abusing his seat in the Senate on June. Twenty Eighth Mel. Met with the senator again this time. He got him to state his plans. Very plainly on tape quote with great pleasure. I'll talk to the president of the United States about it. It of course being lucrative defense contracts the senator was offering his influence over the president as collateral to get alone abscam had lucked into its first big time Washington politician. There was nothing holding back agent. Good from seeing how many bribetakers he could snare. The whole unit became focused on using each corrupt mark. Lure in the next one in comparison to the FBI's investigations of ordinary criminals. Abscam was a house of cards targets had to be investigated simultaneously if one of the politicians was arrested too soon it would jeopardize their chances with the others. This meant a lot of stalling. Waiting Mel kept promising mayor. Eric Keti that money was coming in any day for his Atlantic City Casinos. Meanwhile on the other line was Senator Williams still expecting his one hundred million dollar loan for the titanium mine every time. One of them got suspicious. Mel was right there to reassure them. Miraculously they kept believing on July. Twenty six nineteen seventy-nine Agent Moreau had an idea for how to catch even more corrupt politicians. He casually to mayor. Eric Hetty that Emir Habib the character from the boat party dressed in a turban and sunglasses was having some immigration trouble during this conversation a morose. Oh was in character. As his abscam persona and Abdul Limited employees the emir's war torn homeland had become unstable. Amoroso said and he hoped to seek asylum in the United States only. He needed some brave politician to help him. Obtain THAT STATUS. Because he didn't technically qualify. Eric Keti Promise to introduce the Abdul Team. To some congressman. Who would do favors as long as someone covered their expenses. Code for a bribe. Of course agent. Amoroso's idea was a gold mine. Once the SPIGOT had been turned on it was hard to turn off Eric. Keti kept coming up with names of congressman who could be bought the FBI scrambled to keep up. They need video evidence of the legislators personally accepting bribes. They also needed to say on tape that they would help the shake and Amir emigrate in exchange for the money. The next move was to rig a hotel suite with video audio recording equipment then on August Twenty Second Nineteen seventy-nine Mel met with Congressman. Michael Joseph Mars a fast talking thirty six year. Old Democrat representing the voters of Philadelphia. Congressman Myers was hoping to meet Habibi person but when he arrived. Mel explained that the emir was delayed due to an emergency in the middle. East Myers knotted sagely and accepted that. Excuse now Ahmir in his role as the Amir's aid and Mayor Eric. Keti were there to meet the congressman. They didn't even have to propose. A bribe Myers. Did it for them? Saying money talks in this business undercover agent. Amoroso handed over a briefcase containing fifty thousand dollars. Congressman Myers took it and literally ran out of the hotel to his car whether his reaction was paranoid or he was simply giddy with money. Loss is anyone's guess. The routine continued with forty-one-year-old Congressman. Raymond lederer another Democrat from Pennsylvania. Just like Myers. He took the briefcase and agreed to introduce legislation. Giving the shake and emir asylum in America. He winked as he told the men in the hotel suite. I'm no Boy Scout. Definitely no boy scout but he was headed for wearing a uniform. This one in an unflattering shade of Orange by late Nineteen seventy-nine the FBI was so pleased with APPs scams results that the bureau brass authorized supervising agent good and his team to use a Washington. Dc Townhouse for future meetings. It was federal property but it status was classified even legislators would know it belonged to the FBI so they wouldn't get suspicious when they were invited there to meet with Abdul Limited Mel loved the new headquarters in Georgetown when of DC's wealthiest neighborhoods living large. A big shot surroundings helped him convinced himself. He was a big shot after all. By this point Abdul Limited had built quite a strong reputation. The operation began calling in other shady political insiders known as Bagman for help lining up meetings. These bag men functioned as scapegoats for elected officials by handling their dirty work. The FBI knew all about bag men and how to counter them. They coached melanoma also to insist on personal meetings with congressman. Once again the playbook was the same hand off the fifty thousand dollars in a briefcase and get the elected official on tape promising to help the emir and shake in return for the cash. The third target came to the house in October of Nineteen seventy-nine congressmen. Frank Thomson a sixty one year old Democrat from New Jersey. He was an experienced politician. And the chair of the House Administration Committee he was also smarter than his predecessors at first he suggested investing the fifty thousand dollars in his district rather than paying it to him directly then when Mellon Agent. Ahmir also pressured him to take the briefcase. He refused to touch it. It wasn't the Thompson was clean. He just had a protocol for avoiding trouble. He wanted the briefcase go to his middleman. Howard CRICHTON Roseau refused to make the hand off to Croydon. Until he had Thomson on tape. He needed a recording. That had the congressman promising to introduce a private immigration bill in exchange for the bribe. It took two meetings and plenty of negotiation between to get him there but finally he folded the cash. Went to CRICHTON but Thomson was caught regardless variations of the same gamut worked on the next few targets to another one of CRICHTON's associates congressman. John Murphy. A fifty three year old Democrat from New York was implicated despite his refusal to personally touch the bribe money. His presence at the meeting alone was plenty of evidence for the FBI then came congressman. John he was a forty three year old South Carolina Democrat best known on Capitol Hill for his across the aisle marriage to Republican researcher Rita Jenrette. It was also John who once said. I've got larceny in my blood. And so he did. Jenrette sent one of his associates. John Stow to collect the bribe. The congressman slipped up though he called Mel to acknowledge receipt and thanked him for the money. The call was taped last to take. The Bait was fifty five year. Old Florida congressman. Richard Kelly the only Republican to fall for Abscam on January eighth nineteen eighty he came to the FBI townhouse with John. Cusack a cold blooded mobster who scared. Even Mel Kelly wanted more than fifty thousand dollars so the men offered him a twenty five thousand dollars down payment on future. Two hundred fifty thousand dollar bribe craftily. Kelly waited until his mob associate was out of the room then stuff the cash in his pockets hiding it meant he might avoid giving the mafia there cut. The congressman was playing a very dangerous game but so was mel. In fact he was getting tired of it. Senator Williams was still hounding him about the titanium mine. It had been months now and there were multiple close calls with legislators who refused to meet with the Abdul Limited group at all if any of them were smart enough to suspect they had been flirting with the FBI rather than a wealthy Amir. Warn their fellows if that happened. Well guys like Congressman Kelly with mob connections might retaliate for being caught in a honey trap the FBI had six congressmen and one senator on tape taking bribes or agreeing to take bribes inbetween. Those big fish. They also caught Eric. Keti three Philadelphia City councilman and an official with the Immigration and Naturalization Service. Trying to go for more seem both greedy and risky supervising agent. John Good agreed. It was time to wind abscam down and reveal the project to the public. He had his team begin preparing indictments on Saturday February second nineteen eighty the FBI arrested all their targets at once. It was a performance worthy of any COP DRAMA ON TV. They knocked on each elected officials door at the exact same time so none of the guilty parties had time to hear the news and flee. It took over one hundred F. B. I. agents to execute the mass arrest which naturally alerted the media. Nbc photographers caught the agents. Serving their warrant. At the home of Senator Williams reporters worked tirelessly to figure out all the arrestees just in time for a list to grace the front page of the Next Day's New York Times Mel. Weinberg had worked off his debt to his country. Many times over he was probably the best value any law enforcement agency ever got for a plea deal at first congress and the Senate closed ranks house leadership including speaker tip. O'neill angrily accused the. Fbi of setting up congressman the targets defense attorneys said the same they believe the FBI had coaxed their clients into taking bribes. They otherwise would never have accepted. But when the trials started congress sang a different tune by the winter of nineteen eighty grand juries returned indictments for bribery and conspiracy charges on all seven of the big fish. And even the five small. Fry Congressman. Michael Myers the first to be indicted was expelled from Congress on October. Second nineteen eighty. The vote was three hundred. Six to thirty making Myers. The first sitting congressmen expelled by the House. Since the civil war he went on to be convicted and sentenced to three years behind bars. This Senate to was all set to expel Senator Williams but he beat them to the punch by resigning. He was later convicted and served two years of a three year sentence. Williams was the first senator in over sixty years to do time following suit Frank Thompson and John. Jenrette also resigned from Congress. Jenrette was also lucky enough to get a sentence of divorce from his wife Rita. Raymond Lederer to resigned while Jon Murphy and Richard. Kelly lost re election campaigns after being indicted prosecutors in these cases scored a remarkable one hundred percent conviction rate. Every politician charged in connection with Abscam was convicted of at least some of the charges against them and they all serve time in prison. That includes Eric. Hetty the Camden Mayor. Who started the ABSCAM Snowball Rolling Downhill? A jury convicted him of bribery. The judge punished him with the heaviest sentence of all six years. Though in the end he only served thirty two months the FBI agents. Along with Melvin. Weinberg became temporary minor celebrities. But none really wanted the publicity. There were no tell all book deals. In fact the most information the country ever got from inside the F. B. I. About Abscam came from the freedom of Information. Act Request in response to that request the FBI revealed an archive of newspaper clippings and letters from the public most of them supportive of Abscam over the years though several lawsuits were filed by convicted public officials accusing the FBI OF ENTRAPMENT. All were unsuccessful but some questions still linger. It's hard not to wonder. We're all those politicians really corrupt all along or was Mel. Just such a good scammer. He managed to corrupt them. Mel Himself was asked this question in one thousand nine hundred eighty one on. Cbs is sixty minutes. He replied with one of his favorite sayings. You can't con an honest man. If that's true Mel's life's work. Proves there might be far fewer honest men in politics than any of us would like to believe. Thanks for listening. We'll be back next week with scandal. Number Twenty five when the nineteen sixty election pitted incumbent vice president Richard Nixon against all American Democrat John F. Kennedy and questions of voting fraud abounded among the many sources. We used in researching this story. We found the book the sting man inside Abscam by Robert W green particularly useful. You can find all episodes of political scandals and all other park cast originals for free on spotify. Not only to spotify already. Have all of your favorite music? But now spotify is making it easy for you to enjoy all of your favorite podcast originals for free from your phone desktop or smart speaker to stream political scandals on spotify just open the APP tap browse and type political scandals in the search bar. We'll see you next time. Political scandals was created by Max Cutler and his apart cast studios original it is executive produced by Max Cutler sound designed by Dick Schroeder with production assistance by Ron Shapiro Carly Madden and Travis Clark. This episode of political scandals was written by yellen a war with writing assistance by Kate. 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Steelers Retro Show: Bill Cowhers Steelers Circle Buffalos wagons on Monday Night Football

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Steelers Retro Show: Bill Cowhers Steelers Circle Buffalos wagons on Monday Night Football

"What's the best way to make mashed potatoes or fried rice or lasagna. Hi i'm dave chang chef-owner of mobile kooky in new podcast recipe club. I'll be cooking in debating recipes with my friend chris yang and a rotating of smart highly capable characters from around the culinary world every week. The three of us will each bring a recipe to the table and debate recipe. Club is out. Now listen on spotify or wherever you get your podcasts. Pittsburgh steeler fans. Hello my friends. it's time once again for the steelers. Retro show yes. It's time to go back in time to yesteryear tony deaf. You and myself. We get a chance to watch these games every single week and pass them along to you. It usually corresponds to the opponent. That the pittsburgh steelers are playing at the time with the pittsburgh steelers playing the buffalo bills in week fourteen. Let's talk about a great game in steelers bills history but i. I've got a welcome. My good friend tony who's always my co-pilot as we jump in delorean and go back in time. Tony d what is up my friend. What's going on brian. I am doing fantastic. And i can't wait to talk about this game. What a what a memorable game. In the early days of bill cower in those blitzburgh pittsburgh steelers. The buffalo bills were in the middle of their for year. Afc championship streak. They were a tough team and they had some great players. Tony who are some of those players that grace the buffalo bills at that time east. Brady's jim kelly he was a. He's a hall of famer thurman thomas who i didn't realize how how i mean i realize i don't appreciate what kind of career he had. Andre reid bruce smith darryl talley just a great cast of characters that help them make it the four straight super bowl so it was quite an accomplishment. You had guys like cornelius bennet on the team to and let's not forget the coach marv levy he Believe he won a championship in that the cfl he also coached the kansas city chiefs early on to but he became a hall of famer for his coaching days. As the headman of the bills. So this is a very special game because the steelers really. They had so much trouble with his team. An could never seem to beat them. It happened in the playoffs the year before as the steelers were trounced. I believe it was twenty four to three in the divisional game at three rivers stadium. They also lost in one thousand nine hundred two in buffalo. They lost in ninety one. They lost ninety. They lost an eighty eight. They could not beat those buffalo bills. Then comes the nineteen ninety three team with guys like rod woodson on defense. You had kevin greene greg lloyd. Levon kirk kirkland on. That defense. Carnell lake was there. Dj johnson was there. You had joel steed on offense. Neil o'donnell was inefficient good quarterback for this team berry foster was there ernie mills in jeff. Graham we're playing on this team. Dermontti dawson was your senator and he had a pretty good offensive line. All led by bill cower. His second season as the pittsburgh steelers headman. And what i know he played for the eagles and the browns was he from ohio or something or maybe from north carolina because he went to north carolina state. I'm gonna where he was from. He was from craft. Pa where i live right now. The pride of craft and he has a. He has a street in after him. The second most famous man to ever come from craft in with the first being one. Tony i would love to go on. tony duffield boulevard. I'm still waiting for to happen. Same here same here but someday someday so the bills coming into this game tony they were seven and one the steelers were five and three at the time and fighting for the division in the afc central and this is a time that we're going to go back to we're going to go back to november fifteenth nineteen ninety three. It's a time when the number one movie at the box. office was the three musketeers. The number one song is actually one of my one of my favorites. Love me some meatloaf you like meat loaf a much talking about the dish. Tony hit a pretty good run at that time. Yeah i was. I was a pretty good fan. His back then in jim steinem penned this song called. I would do anything for love. But i won't do that. And i gotta tell you. That wasn't eleven minute masterpiece at the time and also on that date in history the world was just coming off of a partial eclipse of the sun a solar eclipse. I have never seen one of those. Well we had one back in two thousand seventeen. And i tried to look or not look at it but i tried to experience. I saw nothing. I experienced nothing so i was pretty disappointed. But let's get into this game tony. It was a special one from nineteen ninety-three once again november fifteenth as gary anderson a former buffalo bill. Remember in one thousand nine hundred eighty two. The buffalo bills cut him at the end of training. Camp the steelers picked him up and this was his twelfth season as a pittsburgh steelers. He kicked the ball off to start the game and out came a guy. You mentioned from east brady. Jim kelly making only his second ever appearance at three rivers stadium since his day as not a miami hurricane but as a houston gambler. Remember the houston gamblers. Usfl i did. The year. That tim reno led the nfl and forty eight touchdowns. Jim kelly was leading the Usfl with in touchdown pass. It was a great year for former pittsburgh quarterbacks. I was a big fan of the pittsburgh. Mahler's i watch those games. I still have my original pittsburgh. Monitor t shirt. But i digress. So here comes the steelers defense to the defense without nose tackle. Joe joel steed in this game neighbor task with trying to stop the dynamic thurman thomas as you mentioned a him before he was great tony he was one of the league's best rushers of the time and it was all number thirty four in the first four plays for this team. After moving the chains kelly went deep to don beebe. That's another fun. Name who was blanketed by dj johnson. And then back to thomas who was covered by the rookie chad brown. They had to punt so the steelers. Take the ball for the very first time in this ball game on monday night. Football as i failed to mention yes it was so great to go back and get a chance to listen to a younger al michaels who i think al. Michaels is one of my favorites of all time. The late frank gifford was in there. And dan dare door. Who was pretty good in that trio as well. They were hosting this game. I brought to you. Enjoy that yourself. I i love those guys i. I was a big fan of frank. Gifford i i just i love very matter of fact delivery and of course michael wanted the best ever so neil dot on the steelers. Offense comes on the field on second down. One of the best rushing attacks in the league as the pittsburgh steelers reel off six against the twenty first rank bills against the run with berry foster running the ball. then o'donnell start spreading out. He had completions. Two guys. Like jeff graham dwight stone leroy thomson ernie mills berry foster and eric corinne. That is seven different receivers in the first series tony. They were really spreading around. It was a fun offense to watch with the steelers at the bills. Twenty eight foster suffered an ankle injury and exited the game. What happened very foster. He pulled up lame. I it was a very big injury for the steelers the time because he was he was meals on the ground. He really was in just like that. You're like man you lose one of the best rushers in the nfl and you have to bring in thirty year. Man from penn state. Leroy thompson tell you what leroy thompson was pretty special in this game as well what he did right away. The third down back came in turn a two yard loss. Into a ten yard touchdown. It was a scoring drive that lasted an entire eighty one yards and fifteen plays. It was pretty nice was it was a it was a great drive around and and it was a spectacular cutback move by thompson on it for for touchdown in and i'll say this. I've watched a lot of these games for this show over the past few months and this is the first time even you come into the game. I clap my hands. I was so. I was so impressed. With thompson's run on on on this was. It was really spectacular. It was a. He was a great backup yet he really was. I gotta tell you. I enjoyed it as well. The steelers lead seven nothing with five thirty six left in the first quarter. Tony so let's go ahead to have in the bills. Take over the ball and they did so at the seventeen. They came out to try to even the score against very tough events as we said not only tough defense but another sellout raucous crowd at three rivers stadium. It look as if they would with congressman kelly writing for consecutive first downs with their legs. But rod woodson and greg lloyd they broke up passes to force the buffalo's second punt of the game then on first down nose. Tackle jeff right sacked. Neil o'donnell for a seventeen yard loss but the steelers they came back. They countered with a twenty four yard. Run by merril hodge behind the blocking of the great john jackson. That's a guy that was so valuable for the steelers back. Then tony the steelers also targeted. All-pro bruce smith on the play and they were able to move the chains. Pittsburgh continue to move the ball. How important was it to get merril hodge involved as well he was it was very important he was. He was a great veteran for them. And and this was a great a great way at following the sector donald to mix it up and catch the bills flat-footed and you said it was blocked by john. Jackson was a very underrated. All-time steeler for more. And then there was but there's another punt because there was another sack this time phil hanson nailed o'donnell and took him to the ground after penalties. Derail the next series. The steelers took to the field. Again rod woodson. He was returning punts back then. He was absolutely incredible. Moved the ball around the fifty yard line and then the steelers were moving the ball well with leroy thompson again. But the drive stopped on the twenty yard line and incomes gary anderson for a thirty seven yard field goal attempt. Tony make it here. I did and it was ten. Nothing and he was he was wanted to. They're more valuable authentic players a for them throughout his career. He was a very dependable kicker for his time. He absolutely was gary anderson. I mean he's not going to go in the stat book as you know the greatest steelers history because of his percentage was lower but a lot of the percentages were lower back than not like they are today but gary anderson was absolute money for this team and always got the kicks. When they needed him he had a big game on this date. In one thousand ninety-three the defense continued to dominate with another three and out and disaster almost struck as dj. Johnson hurtled the ball after the punt. Rod woodson wasn't able to tell him to get out of the way and he almost kicked it away. The bills thought that they had recovered the ball but it was never touched by dj. He narrowly avoided it. It was an athletic play. The bills looked like they would stop pittsburgh but o'donnell he caught fire. He found eric green for a big first down over the middle. The drive did fell though and the bills looked to have another chance with three seventeen left in the first half but mark royals pinned the bills way down at the six yard line. Courtesy of tim jordan stopping the ball. That was one of their tight ends at the time. Then kenny davidson tipped the ball away on second down carnell lake knocked the ball away from pete metzelaars on third down and the steelers have the ball back at their own. Forty two with two one left in the half but they went three and out and they had a punt so tony from the eighteen. Kelly came out throwing but harassment by kevin greene and darren. Perry looked a halt the bills again. Then kelly connected on the big ball here a big pass fifty one yards where rod woodson bit on the play. He got turned around on j. Reid put it in another hall of famer there. It looked like the bills would score right before the half. But kenny davidson. We mentioned before he sacked him. Kelly right afterwards to not buffalo out of field goal range marv levy for some reason did not take the time out jim. Kelly was looking disoriented and the half ended with the steelers. Tend to nothing tony. That's not bad. The steelers dodged a bullet because it looked like it was going to be ten to seven and a half and with a high scoring buffalo team. That can really change the course of this game. That was a very big play at that point in the game and and and it gave the steelers confidence going into halftime. Your your longtime tormentor have have ten. Nothing lead at the break that was. That was huge. Yes and we will find out what will happen in the second half but let's have our own halftime. We're gonna be back right after this on the steelers rexroad show. We want the best of both worlds. We want a hybrid a smarter hybrid cloud approach with. Ibm helps retailers. Manage supply chains with watson. 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Will we hope that it encourages all of our listeners to support these businesses as well as the black owned businesses in your own communities tune in for these amazing stories others on spotify apple youtube. Or wherever. you get your favorite podcasts. Welcome back fans to behind the still curtain. Dot com name is brian. Anthony davis alongside me. Is tony we are so thrilled to go. Back in time to november fifteenth nineteen ninety-three for a fantastic game between the pittsburgh steelers and the buffalo bills. You know what. I'm gonna say fantastic if you wear black and gold in your phantom and your twirling a terrible towel tony absolutely. It was it was. It was a great. I always cherish these years always and this was kind of like the start of this for the steelers. This was a very big hurdle they had to get over Take on and beat this. Amc perennial powerhouse at the time. So the steelers get the ball back to start the second half the momentum was there leroy thompson rumbled for fifteen yards to start things off a few plays later. O'donnell and whitestone hooked up for a twenty yard pickup than ernie mills a gain another nineteen reverse and the steelers. Were looking to score again. This is dan. Dear door came in and made a comment. He was accidental. Lamenting the fact that the steelers were not going to eric. Green as much He said right there. He's like man. I just wish they would go to him more. He is such a huge target. This is a situation where they're just. They're winning the ball game but they're not taking advantage of this huge weapon and he was a big man wasn't he tony. He certainly was. I've said many times. I thought he was ahead of his time. As far as tight ends he was he was gronk before gronk years before gronk. He was big fast. You couldn't cover linebacker or defensive. Back was very special weapon for them. Absolutely i would love to have seen him one more year on that nine hundred and ninety five team that would have been a very dangerous offense if he was there as well and somebody must've heard what dan dear dwarf was saying. Somebody was tuned into the abc teluk last on wt channel four. I would think because you know what happened next tony. They found eric green. They certainly did a fifteen yard to make it first and goal and i guess they weren't done dan. Tell us we've got to go to eric. Green let's go to eric rain again. They broke out the play action. Pass something steelers. Want big ben to do twenty twenty. And and just like that of seventeen thousand two eric. Green a one yard touchdown. Eric green and make it seventeen. Nothing one of the prettiest one yard touchdowns you're going to see so with nine. Thirty five left in the third. You are correct tony. The steelers lead the buffalo bills. Seventeen nothing they look to be rolling. Was there any doubt in your mind. They were they were going to hold on or were you worried. Because you knew what. Jim kelly thurman thomas andre reid and the buffalo bills. You knew what they can do. I was always a little worried at that at that time because these are the big bed bills and as we've said they've had their problems against them and any team can overcome a seventeen. Nothing lead the bills could or became a lot more than a a year earlier in the playoffs when they came back from thirty five. Three deficit against the oilers wildcard round. So yeah i wasn't. I wasn't feeling t totally comfortable just yet. Yeah because once again. You know. What tim kelly could do and you talked about that. Thirty five to three game against the oilers. You know this is really going off track but you know who called that game on the buffalo bills network for the bills. I certainly do one. Greg brown the pittsburgh pirates play by play play play by play man since nine hundred and ninety four. I believe. yeah how. 'bout that that's something that i learned. Recently i thought that was really cool. But you know so. We talk about that. Game and frank reich was the quarterback in that game because jim kelly was was out in lo and behold nobody knew this at the time but al michaels broke in and let everybody know that matters. Were about to get worse for the buffalo bills. Not only were they down seventeen nothing. They were down. Jim kelly because kelly suffered a concussion on that kenny davidson sack. At the end of the half remember. I said he was disoriented. Will that's why he was. Nobody knew he had a concussion. At the time he would not come back. But the master of the comeback frank reich was in the game. He did just a year before in the playoffs. Like you mentioned he did it in one thousand nine hundred eighty four with the terrapins down huge to the miami hurricanes and he came back then so this is a guy that knows how to come back. Tony was he gonna come back in this game. I certainly i certainly hope not. But if there was ever a backup quarterback in the league at the time to do it it would be frank reich. So here comes frank. He completed a short pass to andre reed and matters got even worse as andre. Reid had an apparent hand injury and was done on the turf for a while. It turned out to be a wrist injury that did not hamper him for the whole season but it affected him the rest of this game tony. Yeah yeah he he was. He was a valuable weapon from them but he was. He was a little bit too injured to be effective in this game. So a punt would follow and after another completion for the steelers to eric. Green and after a fake trou- adrienne cooper caught a huge pass. That's the other tight end. The backup tight end was huge. He was huge for the steelers. He got a thirty seven yard gain. And the steelers were moving the chains again. Tony you're in. Cooper is speaking of a long lost steelers from the past i adrian. Krueger was very along the same lines. Eric athletic type. Who had some a few good years in him in early nineties absolutely but the problem was they could not really capitalize on that a sack. A big sack merv. Casse not marcus marcus. I always had trouble with that name. His name was marv costs. Marcus patent gave the steelers a third in seventeen. And here comes o'donnell. He went back to pass and oliver barnett knocked me on his wallet. And neil could not follow through with the ball and he throws in interception tamar kelso and it was a big interception for the bills. They've got a chance to come back. Tony but something happened here. Oliver on he hit neo don a little bit a little bit too late and he was called for roughing. The passer in the steelers had new life. Yup it's the gated mao. It's first and ten at the ten for the steelers. What a break thompson would get the ball down to the one yard line and they had a decision to make and the decision here was you can go for it on fourth and one or you could take the points. You're up seventeen. nothing tony. What were you hoping that they were going to do it. In this position at that point. I'm thinking you know this is before the two point conversion was the thing in the nfl. So i'm thinking you take the points because the waiter defense playing at the time and jim kelly's audi of frank reich had had a great great reputation for comebacks safe about what had been a take it really was and that's what they decided to do. It's a nineteen yard field goal. No problem for gary anderson. There's two twenty three left in the third quarter. The steelers lead the game. Twenty to nothing. Were you satisfied at this point. You feel like they were going to win this game tony. I was really starting to feel comfortable at this point. Because you're almost through the third quarter. Now you're up by basically three touchdowns. I was feeling pretty good. But that's the big bad bills and never know what they're gonna do so on the very first play. After that of the next series frank reich goes back to pass. Kevin greene saxon. It was kevin greens first year for the steelers. The steelers defense was dominating. How much of a boost did kevin greene. Give this defense. It was a very big boost at that time. This is at the at the beginning stages of true free agency for surfer. The steelers assign a veteran light. A guy who spent almost a decade with the rams and was productive. This was a very big thing. Help create quiver and quake with him. And greg lloyd so it made for a great outside linebacker in the nfl at that time. Indeed it did. Things got a little chippy. Though greg lloyd got nailed with a late hit and he had the personal foul to go along with it so the bills are moving. The ball then going back to pass is frank reich. He throws the ball downfield for a long gain into the hands of shorthanded. Don beebe on the sidelines. It's a gorgeous catch than out of nowhere comes who tony jerry. Jones and is one claim to fame. They said it was a it was a perfect fit. I think even today it might have stood up. It was a great hit. And and the fact that dombi i'm bb onto the ball was maybe even more impressive. It was a clean hit. It was a it was textbook. And i gotta tell you it would have held up today. They would've not flagged him because don babies were feet. Were down inside the playing field He was not out of bounds and he just got tattooed. It was a beautiful hit. If you have a chance to youtube this or go back and watch this game on mcmillan and wife whatever you have to do. It is a gorgeous hit. And even al michaels frank gifford geared door if they were sitting. Yeah that was clean. There's nothing you can throw a penalty annum and they did not. It was a huge catch. Luckily don beebe got up. But i was worried for his safety. Tony weren't you absolutely and this guy had. He had a couple of shots like that during his career. So it was. It was nice. See him get up and walk off the field in this play. It could have been a turning point for the bills. It really was going to be a turning point and it looks like the bills. We're going to find their way back in this game. The comeback kid frank reich was going to do it but on the very next play. Kevin greene cracks thurman thomas the balls loose he recovers the fumble their ego crisis averted. Steelers get the ball back and it's still twenty two nothing. my friend. that was big. I think by that point. It's lights out for the bills after after. Bb making that catch in creating some momentum for the for buffalo and for the very next play for this fumble the to happen. I think that was pretty much for the bills. It really was pretty much it. We can talk about a couple more sacks kenny davidson. Had another sack. Here don't evans had a sack. O'donnell had some great passes to jeff. Graham merril hodge comes in the game. He's running wild leroy thompson. Gets over one hundred yards for the steelers in relief. It was his second one hundred yard game yet. Very good season in nineteen ninety-three as you would not see barry foster the rest of the year He had troubles with an ankle. But the running the legs of leroy thompson got them to the playoffs as well. The steelers ended up winning this game so it was a special night. The terrible towels were flying. Everybody was having fun. The steelers tacked on another field goal. It was twenty three to nothing. And that's how the game ended the bills photo seven two. The steelers were in first place in their division. Tony what are your memories of this game. Tony because it felt good to me and thought really good and my biggest memory it was. Nfl films. highlight of greg. Lloyd greg lloyd the meanest man in football. He was walking failed. And you're saying they're going to say the bills were injured in this game and that's why they lost but the bottom line is the bills. Got their bleeps kick tonight. And that's my favorite memory from that game. You know what he was one of those guys that you can call one bad apple. He has half. He was mean but i met him and he was a sweet guy in an autograph signing where i helped work along with The promoter at the time and it was there an. I was with my nephew. As a fan i went up and i had him signed for my nephew. The promoter introduced me to them. Said hello and i was. I was standing outside a little bit later. And he comes walking out with his entourage. Everybody's running up to them. Greg greg greg greg and he looks over to me goes hey man like hey greg lloyd what's going on. Hey you haven't found man. I'm like yeah. He's singling me out. Because i wasn't bugging him but he was. He was super nice. Dude i'll never forget him for the t shirt and i want this t shirt. You could get it for me for christmas. If you want to tony. I wasn't hired for my disposition. Got as i was trying to court i was trying to think of. That's a great great quote. And that's that personifies. Greg lloyd perfectly. Yeah i don't look nearly as tough as him. But i would rock that t shirt. I gotta tell you tony. This was a fun game for me. I was working in top. Forty radio at the time and i had an opportunity For some of the radio station. I worked for at the time was called power ninety two and we had these things called power parties where i would show up at a restaurant or a pub and i would invite people to come down for specials. It was it was a remote broadcast in so i was asked to to work that night and do that but it was easy. All i had to do was eat wings. Drink soda or drink. Beer if i wanted to and you know just call in and talk about the game but i took my dad with me and my dad and i sat at this establishment sitting there with my dad. Go tell them at the being the game. they're playing buffalo. I don't know if they're going to win. He's like son. This team was going to surprise you and they did and they won the game. Twenty three nothing. It was just a great memory for me. So thank you so much tony for checking out this game with me. It's so awesome to go back to yesteryear. And i'm glad to do it with you. My friend this was a huge statement. Went for them in the early stages of of bill cowers tenure here and coming one season after losing to buffalo in the playoffs. This is a huge moment for them. And i gotta tell you the best part of this job is watching these old games and next week we had to watch even better game a special one from one thousand nine hundred eighty two right before the players strike steelers and bengals. I can't wait to talk about that one with you. Tony of already started game. And it's it's a dandy grades. One of my favorites from the early years. Because i i couldn't stand the bengals in those days. They can stand up now so it was. It was very very memorable game for me. If you get a chance to watch old games. I check them out. Tony checks check them out on mcmillan and wife dot com. It's it's a pretty good gold channel that you could check out on on youtube. So that's really cool. But i gotta tell ya tony. Thanks so much. I love going back to yesteryear. Let's hope the steelers make some more memories in two thousand and twenty years from now the new tony and the new bad are talking about. I game just like this tony i i sure hope steelers have some have an opportunity to do that this year and i hope there are a couple couple guys or a couple of women. Whoever talking about some magic moments from two thousand hundred twenty years from now brianna an antoinette will be talking about this years from now so for tony duffy. Oh my name is brian. Anthony davis you can call me bad you could call him tone deaf and remember. You can take me away. We don't mind you just gotta promise us. We'll be back in time. Good night my friends.

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Trump now claims Iran targeted 4 US embassies, without evidence or explanation of "imminent" threat; Ukraine investigating whether bomb was "planted" on flight downed in Iran with 176 people onboard; Pelosi preparing to send impeachment articles to Senate

Erin Burnett OutFront

42:01 min | 1 year ago

Trump now claims Iran targeted 4 US embassies, without evidence or explanation of "imminent" threat; Ukraine investigating whether bomb was "planted" on flight downed in Iran with 176 people onboard; Pelosi preparing to send impeachment articles to Senate

"Out Front next. Trump's shifting story the president's changing reason for launching a strike that killed Iran's top commander. This is the secretary of state struggles with the meaning enough imminent threat plus Ukrainian. Investigators say they're looking into whether a bomb was on board that plane which crashed near Tehran. International Airport. Killing all one hundred seventy six people longboard and our key. Republicans working on a plan to include witnesses for trump's impeachment trial a major development. Let's go out front and good evening. I'm Erin Burnett out front tonight. Trump changing his story this time revealing new details that he did not share in classified briefings with members of the House and Senate details about what he's said wasn't imminent threat against Americans from Iran and its top generals. Don't the American people have a right to know what what specifically was targeted without revealing methods and sources. I don't think so but we will tell you that probably it was going to be the embassy in Baghdad dead today but scale attacks plan for other embassies and if those were planned why can't we reveal that to the American people. Wouldn't that help in your case. I can reveal that. I believe it would have been four embassies four embassies yesterday morning it was just one and that one was in Baghdad. We did it because they were looking to blow up. Our embassy. Trump is asking Americans to trust him right on on his decision to take out Soleimani to trust him and not Congress with the big decision of whether to go to war. This is a very big ask because trump's record when it comes to telling the truth is bad and when it comes to numbers well here he is talking about the number of jobs the. US would lose if he tore up the US arms deal with Saudi Arabia. We're talking about over forty thousand jobs in the United States. It's four hundred and fifty thousand jobs. Since five hundred hundred thousand jobs American jobs I would prefer that we don't use as retribution. Canceling one hundred ten billion dollars worth of work which between six hundred thousand jobs. It's over a million jobs from forty thousand to over a million. You cannot make this up even oh he did when it comes to trump. Accuracy does not matter making something sound. Big is what matters because trump is out there now sharing classified that information about one embassy or maybe it was four embassies and changing really important numbers. His chief defender the secretary of State. Mike Pompeo has been put in the hot seat. What embassy let's see threats? How real how imminent here? He is over the past twenty four hours. We don't know precisely when we don't know precisely where but it was real so pompeo doesn't know when or where but trump is telling. America was Baghdad and three other embassy. So was this threat real and imminent. The American people do deserve to know the truth and now the exact details the numbers places because tonight the credibility of the United States is on the line. Kaitlan Collins is out front. Live outside the White House and Caitlyn. Do we know what is behind the changing stories the changing narrative. That's come from the president. No that's really. been the question facing seen them for several days now and I don't think they did a lot to answer that today or to suffice The questions that they're critics have been raising. So that's been the big question is why do we keep seeing these different reasons. From different administration officials ranging from the Pentagon the State Department to the West Wing over what it was that led the president to carry out this strike while so far the president's it's top national security. Aides have been reluctant to really reveal any information about this. You're seeing the president slowly. Do it himself. By being the first person to say he believes they're plotting to blow up the embassy then take it was multiple and then today being as specific as saying it was four embassies though we should note. The White House is declining to say what those other embassies are. Or whether they were warned warranty they were part of some plot. The President says they were planning now the other big question that lawmakers have had and has been a big chief criticism is just how imminent the start was going to be an those questions. Only intensified after Pompeo said last night. They didn't know exactly when that attack was going to happen. Which would lead the question is how do you know exactly that? It's imminent if you don't know when it's going to happen. And today when I asked the Secretary of state what is his definition of the word imminent. He paused for a moment. And then he answered like this Erin. What is your definition of intimate? This was going to happen and American lives were at risk and we would have been culpably negligent. As the chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff said we would have been culpably negligent and we not recommended the president that take the money now several lawmakers who were in those briefings with people like Pompeo and the defense secretary say that they were not what told about a plot on four embassies or any embassies of the United States. And that is why another question being raised tonight if this was so imminent why were these lawmakers. There's not told about this during these intelligence briefings on Capitol Hill this week. All right CAITLIN. Thank you very much. Obviously some crucial questions. I WANNA go out front now to Democratic Senator Maggie Hassan who who sits on the Homeland Security Committee. Senator I appreciate your time. Were you aware that four embassies were being targeted by Iran and General Solani. Look I was in the classified briefing and I'm just going to start by one. Thank you for having me on to our reiterating. That General Sulejmani Talamante Was An enemy of the United States. Had American blood on his hands. I'm glad he's no longer on this earth to orchestrate attacks against Americans That being said said the briefing and now the lack of consistency from the administration Just has been begging more questions than it is answering. We need to have additional briefings from the national security team so that we can drill down on the intelligence elegance as you know The briefing was interrupted. Well before we all got a chance to ask the questions that would have helped us understand the full picture and we need a strategy from this administration. So did they give you any. Did they tell you that. There's four embassies are three embassies or two embassies or one embassy or anything about the plot I mean did you have any of this information or did you learn. Learn it from Fox News. I have been very concerned. I'm not going to discuss details of what I heard a classified briefing but I am going to say that that there has been this evolving contradictory set of stories which again speaks to not only the need for us to have a full briefing but it speaks to the importance of having a full-fledged discussion and debate about the war powers act. And I'm sorry to keep pushing on this but I I'm sure it's really trying to understand you can't share. It wasn't a classified briefing senator. but You keep using the word contradictory. So you're you're at least you're you're letting us know that there's something in here about what he's saying and what you heard that is inconsistent just to make sure we understand that dot is in fact true. Yes okay all right so then it's being read we. Yeah we were pushing for details that would have allowed us to assess assess whether we thought the threat was imminent for instance. There is no question that Iran is a malevolent force that it has ended its proxies have Attacked and sponsored attacks on US troops and our allies and Americans and our interests and all of those things are true but when you are looking at whether the president was acting within his article two powers to prevent an IM- to go after an imminent threat to prevent our troops or whether whether this was rightly something that he needed to come to Congress about So that we could be clear not only is members of Congress but so that the American people can understand what the threat is and what the mission should be whether we're going to have a sustained conflict and the strategy now is for preventing Iran from getting nuclear weapons in terms of de escalating. I think the the nature of the nature of the threat itself. There's contradictory information from what you're saying and what he's now saying. There's also this issue which you just raised senator about imminent and the reason this word. I matters for people who wonder why there's such an obsession about it. Right is exactly what you say right if something is imminent. The President has the authority to act without the approval of Congress and in a potential active war. So that's that's why. The word matters senator. Chris Murphy tweeted today in part quote either Fox News higher level briefings than Congress or. Wait for it. There was no such imminent threat referring of course to the interview which I just played a portion of right with Laura Ingram Where the president talked about the the the the attack on four embassies d? Do you do feel confident that you've been given any information that proves imminence. That would be what I would want to be able to go back to a second briefing about. There is no doubt that we can talk about Iran being a threat to the United States. It has been for years. Here's it continues to be right really understand what that is that that is exactly right and that is why this whole conversation is so so important and that is why it is so important for us to have a discussion on the both chambers of Congress to make sure that we you understand what the threat is the administration sees what it strategy is going forward We all agree. Iran is a malevolent actor. But we you need to make sure we have a strategy working with our allies to keep it from getting a nuclear bomb to protect our troops and our interests in the Middle East but all around the globe. And that's what we are not hearing from this administration and that concerns me greatly so the Wall Street Journal reports tonight Senator Mr Trump after the trial strike I'm reading from the paper told told associates that he was under pressure to deal with General Soleimani from GOP senators he views as important supporters of his incoming his Co. in his coming impeachment trial trial in the Senate associates said. Are you comfortable at this point saying that. His decision to do this strike had something to do with impeachment. Or do you think that is a bridge edged too far. I am concerned about what the Wall Street Journal reported But I think that report and the question That is suggested in that. Report is precisely why the national security team of this administration needs to come to Congress I to brief us with specificity. On the intelligence that gave rise to their assessment that they told us that it was an imminent threat although as you have pointed out we are Karen contradictory accounts about that very issue but it also speaks to y it is so important to fully include the American people in a discussion Russian about a sustained conflict a war against a foreign power. Our founders understood that if we were going to have a sustained war war against a foreign power that the American people need to understand because it is their blood and treasure on the line there and they need to be fully participating depending so they know what the mission is and that would Alleviate some of the concerns raised by the Wall Street Journal all right. Thank you very much Senator Hassan. I appreciate your time on this Friday and next disturbing new video that we have this hour of the final moments of that Ukrainian Jack. US US authorities believe was shot down by an Iranian missile. Plus Nancy Pelosi says. 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We are now getting new video showing the moment the plane crashed. I want to warn you. This video is extremely disturbing. Clarice award is out front from a new video has emerged merge showing the moment the Ukrainian airliner comes crashing to the ground there's wall of fire as flaming debris litters Iranian field. Your security security services have also posted on their website that they're considering the possibility of terrorism will check in the internal of the plane as well trying to understand understand where the bomb was planned in the plane itself tonight. Ukrainian officials say they are reviewing data given to them by international partners including putting the United States but are not yet willing to say their commercial jet was shot down by an Iranian missile. The Ukrainians at this point are keeping all considerations. The rations on the table. We do believe that it's likely that that plane was shut down by Iranian missile We're we're going to let the investigation play out before we make a final determination govt. It's important that we get to the bottom of it Sweden the UK and Canada also pointing the finger at Iran but the regime is doubling down Iran denying nine they played any role in the plane's demise and demanding the US substantiate claims of a missile strike. Once you get about a one more thing that is clear to us that we can say with certainty. Is that this plane was hit by a missile. The Iranian civil authority announcing Friday information from the black boxes recovered at the scene could take months months to properly extract. Ukrainian investigators on the ground in. Tehran are now reconstructing the plane in an isolated hangar looking for evidence of chemical residue and other remnants of a missile attack but with Iranians in control of the crash site. There is no telling what wreckage may have already been removed. We unhappy what we see in especially when we saw that at the local ceremony round Pekan things and attaching these things from the ground. That's what we had to stop a growing chorus in the international community demanding a complete and transparent investigation investigation will learn more about what happened to that aircraft And when we get the results of that investigation I am confident. We we and the world will take appropriate. What actions in response part of the reason that the Ukrainians are still being circumspect about coming out and categorically saying they believe their airliner was shot down by an Iranian? Missile is because they rely heavily at the moment on the cooperation of the Iranians. They have fifty Ukrainian investigators in Tehran on and they need that access. They need that relationship to be a good relationship but when we push the foreign minister on this issue of whether it could be a technical failure he said he he did point out that the investigators have listened to the cockpit conversations that went on between the pilot and Iranian air traffic control. Apparently the last words the pilot was was heard to say were that things were peaceful and everything was okay. Obviously Erin if it had been a technical failure those are not the kinds of last words. You would expect to hear from the pilot to air traffic control Erin and no. They aren't Obviously era here. Thank you very much clarisa out front now former sayigh operative Bob Baer and Colonel Cedric Leighton former member of the Joint Chiefs of Staff Bob Let me start with you. Would of course was sharing with us through the last words of the pilot. Air Traffic Control Everything thing is okay peaceful night And then obviously which which which would take away what Iran is continuing to insist right. which is that? This was some sort of mechanical issue. Oh absolutely I mean I think no doubt this is a missile. We had platforms all over the Gulf The Air Force. We're watching Iran in they could spot a missile launch. I think it's fairly clear You know if that's what the Pentagon says that's what happened and I can see the Iranians denying. It was a horrible tragic mistake in. Iran is not a country to admit mistakes. So Colonel Leighton when a crane is now saying oh it could have been a bomb. You heard Clarisa putting some context around that which is Perhaps they are doing that. Because Ah Iran is is obviously at this point categorically denying any sort of missile issue and Ukraine needs Ron to allow them to continue to be part of this investigation. Absolutely and I think it's very important. You know to look at the diplomatic side of this but from a technical aspect. Bob Is absolutely right We've got this area. Yeah painted like you wouldn't believe when it comes to finding electronic signatures and it's pretty clear to me as someone who's looked at these kinds of things for a long time that a missile struck the aircraft. But if I were in in the Ukrainian foreign ministers shoes I would be saying the same thing that he said we look at everything and that includes the possibility posssibility of a terrorist act or a bomb being put on on board the aircraft. Into what both of you are saying. I should be clear you know. We've reported that the US has said that. Iranian they have proof radar locked onto of that plane just before it fell out of the sky And and Bob You know to that point This this this horrific video surveillance video from from a nearby building The video that the the plane crashed into the ground It it you know you see it come down and then you see that massive explosion has that airplane hits the ground This was a very How how? How quickly do you think it went from? All is peaceful than the missile strikes to win. That plane actually did hit the ground. Very quick These these people didn't know what happened. That plane wing breaks off explosion in one of the engines if that's where the missile hit People wouldn't even know it All happens very quickly. The plane was I. Don't know eight nine thousand feet off the ground something like that. It was barely had taken off. I don't think they'd known. Pan Am one. Oh three went down that way and they don't people realize what was happening. Well that's I mean. Thank God that's the one thing I think everyone can be. It can be grateful that hopefully these people knew nothing Kernel we have learned on the same night that that president trump chose to strike. General Soleimani The United States also targeted another senior in your military official The Washington Post is reporting. This was sort of the guy in charge of all the money key. Commander of the COOTS force right Obviously worked with General Sulejmani the person in charge of all the money. He was in Yemen on that night And they had planned both of these attacks extensively. This one failed But this does seem to show so this was a much bigger operation and this was not opportunistic You have two people targeted in the same night in different countries. The that's right Aaron. What are you looking at here? Is perhaps as semi strategy to decapitate the goods force. So if that's the case that's clearly an escalation Shen and the way in which we're going after this particular Iranian entity in going after the money guy is a very important thing to do Because if the the president is right in his assertions that embassies were part of the pattern of attack that the Kurds force was planning Than they need money to do that and to go after through the money guy he helps Keep those those operations from actually coming to fruition. So Bob now and officials time the Washington Post and American official that they may go ahead and target. Get this the same guy abdul-razagh shock. Why is his name? The guy in charge of the money for the Revolutionary Guard. What I mean what? What does that say to you? Bob I mean how how Iran reacted us that the United States is basically saying okay. Well we're still. We're still going after your guy. Well we're going to wait and see so far. They've been restrained it. But this curtain was saying this could forces and organization. It's got hundreds and hundreds of people all across the Middle East. It is a very. It's the organization has killed a lot of Americans killed two of my bosses in Lebanon And you have to take it down if that your intent is to go after Iran. Now we'll uranium's react one day we just simply don't know but right now. They have shown considerable restraint that they didn't respond. And like I thought they would Assoumani's assassination all right. Thank you both very much. Obviously I think the emphasis for that is. We don't know where we are in this. What's over or not over? Thank you both and next will a small group of key. Republicans break with Mitch. McConnell when it comes to polling witnesses including John Bolton and Bernie Sanders comes face to face with the other Bernie Sanders. Who are you what is president? What are these Washington insiders or die was born a clean underwear drives on Radiata new? Tonight Republican Senator Susan Collins owns of Maine revealing. She is working with a fairly small group her words of GOP senators to reach a deal that would let both parties call witnesses and president. Trump's impeachment trial such as John Bolton and Mick Mulvaney now that's both parties so bad obviously could open up a whole nother can of Worms for Democrats but in principle. This is something other Republicans including the majority leader Mitch. McConnell have completely dismissed out of hand and it comes as house speaker. Nancy Pelosi says she is preparing to send over the articles of impeachment to the Senate next week Maharaja was out affront on Capitol Hill so she sends articles over as she's indicating. She plans to do next week. What is the time line? You're hearing it can move pretty quickly as as soon as next week. And the article will be sent by the middle of next week and the White House and Republicans want the president to be acquitted by the time the state of the Union occurs on on February fourth. I'm told they want the president to use it address to boast about him being acquitted by the Senate in it's possible that timeframe could essentially workout workout but it also depends on whether or not witnesses are called before the Senate right now we would require four Republicans debris grants with forty seven Democrats to call all those witnesses to come forward while people suggested they may be open to it. It's unclear whether it be a coalition behind that one to just see how that develops as the trial l. progresses but the with ways is starting on Tuesday. Nancy Pelosi will meet with our house. Democratic Caucus will discuss the matter going forward. We do expect a vote. Probably probably at this point on Wednesday to actually point those impeachment managers does the people were going to prosecute the case managers. Then we'll go to. The Senate Chamber will read aloud allowed. Those two articles of impeachment that had been approved by the House on the allegations of president abused his office and also the obstructed Congress than after those impeachment manager name as S. when all senators will get sworn in the following week at the moment we're expecting that's when the opening arguments will begin eastside. We'll make the case. The Democratic credit impeachment manners will make their case. The presents defense came will make its case at that point. The questions will be. How do they progress? Do they push to bring forward. Were those witnesses do they subpoena witnesses or the Republicans good move to dismiss the case or acquit the president. And that's what the White House Mitch. McConnell hoping for is isn't acquittal to happen soon after arguments are included. And all right Manu. Thank you very much. And I'll find now democratic congressman. Dan Kildee of Michigan. Also the chief deputy whip appreciate your time as always Speaker Pelosi says she's ready to send those articles of impeachment over next week to the Senate just remind everyone has now been over three weeks since since trump was formerly impeached in the house. So what D- What is causing her to wait until next week. Do you know if there's something specific that she is still trying to accomplish. I know I know we're going to have a meeting leadership on Monday evening as we as. We typically do on the first day and we'll get I think a little bit into the detail. There is one aspect W. has to be done in that the appointment of impeachment managers and I know that don't that work is underway so there is some formality to transmitting. Transmitting the articles over to the Senate Obviously our hope is That those senators who are thinking about their legacy and thinking about about their obligation under the constitution will take their job seriously and realize that in order to make a decision based on the fact that facts have to be presented to the Senate and that can only the form of those very relevant witnesses. So so you know you just heard the reporting the Susan Collins says. She's working with small group of Republican senators to support witnesses now. Obviously if that is true it would be extremely significant. But the the the the caveat there was from both sides is that a deal. Democrats should do if they get Mick Mick Mulvaney. They get John Bolton but they also get Hunter Biden. Yeah I mean. Let's hope that they don't turn it into a side show. The question is on the president's behavior. The question is on whether the president sacrifice the American national security in the interest of his own political gain and and the witnesses that can bring factual evidence to answer that question. This is a trial and impeachment trial for the president. This is not a you know. An opportunity for people would go after Joe Biden. But you know what it's unpredictable I think in the long run if the information that say Mr Bolton has that's where Mister Mulvaney has Mr Pompeii or even Mr Duffy from the office of Minimum Management and budget if that information is presented in if it reveals what many of us suspect it will. I don't think anything else is going to matter that much. And whether the Senate would convict him or not. You'll be convicted in the court of public opinion. So if the House sends the articles next week and Speaker Pelosi moves forward without A. She's indicated. You know when you just do that. Look at what happened with Clinton right where you have a few days for one side a few days for the other. You have the the vote on whether there's witnesses you've closing arguments. Maybe you even have witnesses inserted in the middle of that. The bottom line is the math would be president. Trump could be acquitted literally the day before before the day of his State of the Union If he gets the votes from Republicans right which would allow him to come out triumphant. I mean are you okay with that risk. Well I'm not okay. With a whole lot of things that the president does and if he uses the state of the Union to talk about the state of Donald Trump you know. Oh that's going to be on him but it's a risk that we take we can't control everything obviously We just want to do our job. and you know if the Senate does its job and the facts revealed as part of that trial no matter what the Senate votes the facts are going to be out there and I think the president is going. They have a hard time taking what he would consider a victory lap Based on information that I think will indict him even further so obviously we. We can't control everything that's A. That's a reality. We have to face so when you and I last spoke use adjusted you were just saying the way things. Ramana was laying out that the articles get handed over and then there needs to be a vote on the house. Managers are going to be so for for an English. Those are the people who are going to be making the case The lawyers making the case. Two senators You all have you had suggested that the Intel Chairman Adam Schiff or the judiciary committee member. Jamie Raskin could be possible. House impeachment managers Depending on how this played played out Four Republican now independent congressman who supports impeachment. Broke with his party possibly sacrificed his political future to do so. Justin Amash was on the show last night and and I asked him about whether he would be an impeach manager. Of course. He's a lawyer here. He is something that I've told my democratic colleagues. Who have asked me that? I'd be happy to talk the speaker about. But I've had that discussion if the speaker wants to have that discussion. Of course I'd be honored to due to have that conversation. Do you think that she should talk to congressman wash. Well well I mean obviously every member of Congress has taken this and I consider Kirkman. Masha friend even though he and I disagree on a lot of issues but I think it's more important that we put Managers that can best bring the case not so much that represent an ideology or a particular perspective but the people with the training and the knowledge and expertise to best present our case and if it turns out that that's just an emotion that that's the speakers judgment with her but I suspect we have members who are members of our caucus who are who've been a part of the deliberations who've been a part of the process of coming to this conclusion that can advance our case but it ought to be the members who can best present with the constitutional basis in the factual basis for impeachment. All right I appreciate your time congressman. Kelly thank you. Thank you and look as impeachment is going to roll right into Iowa meaning. There's three senators who aren't going to be in Iowa who are running for president. We have a brand new CNN polls showing an incredibly tight race in the first state to vote what happens though when half of the top contenders literally off the trail sitting in Washington in the Senate trial plus Joe Biden's wife hitting the trail and taking on President trump renew donald trump was going to And be a difficult opponent that he was never gonNA play fair new tonight. Impeachment and Iowa collide a brand new. CNN poll just out tonight shows a tight four way race in Iowa Sanders at twenty warn Seventeen Buddha judge at sixteen by fifteen and the margin of error four. So you get the point it is just a big pile half of the top contenders though are in the Senate which means they will well. They'll be in Washington not Iowa and they'll be in Washington as soon as next week and then they will be there for the for the perpetuity till the trial is over. They are jurors in the impeachment. Trial Out Front now Joe Lockhart CNN political commentator and former Clinton White House press secretary and Patrick Healey politics editor at the New York Times and a political analyst for us us. So this is this is pretty incredible. Okay we were just literally sitting here all of us in the commercial break laying out a timeline from what ma news laying out and what we're understanding standing right you've got to have Pelosi hand over the articles in the managers chosen and the senator sworn in. And then you have the Martin Luther King Holiday and then you have a trial formerly start you literally could end with this trial ending on caucus day. Could it very well and it six days a week. So that means if they want to do around trip to Iowa on the one day that they have that's it for for for Sanders and Warren and Clova Shark and even if they go out to Iowa for that one day hey there limited a little bit by they can't be fiery crazy partisan Democrat and then Monday morning come in and fold their hands and say mature silently the jazz. So it's you know it's it's fascinating because it couldn't come at a worse time for the four senators and because there's no clear front runner Save Bernie Sanders was ten points ahead in Iowa. This would be great for him to freeze this thing for but he's not So on paper. This is a a disaster scenario for those for the crazy thing about politics though is sometimes it gets turned upside down and something happens and you just don't no no and it's something that happens in Washington that turns it rather than in the field so I wanna make the points for everyone thinking. Oh they're going to get their big moments in Washington. They have to be silent that even when they have questions since they hand them over written so people should understand. You're not going to get like you did in the house but you know these big moments for Soliloquy and and you know. I don't have CICERO like behavior whatever. It might be Patrick of the senators in the race of the three who are in the front runners here who are hurt. The most by this I think it's toughest for war right now because Warren is in a position where where she is very much competing against Bernie Sanders for verse. Strong liberal vote in In Iowa she doesn't she's not flush with with cash in terms terms of being able to spend heavily on his right Eagle. He's he is quite flush and the reality is that she still a more in the persuasion. Asian business than I think Sanders. Here's what I differ with Joe a little bit I. I think that the Senate trials could for any of the senators. Yes but for Sanders. He he has this durable floor of support that he is able to. He's going to be able to back up with surrogates with advertising with a certain amount of momentum. Oh can is he going to win the Iowa Caucus. We don't know that but yeah warrant. At least I think she was. She was I think she would really benefit from having those last two weeks of of being able to go out be persuading not talking about Medicare for all but trying to broaden the social. You have You know people to judge dropped nine points in this poll from November. Now some might look at that right and say oh we peak too early okay but yet maybe that's right. Maybe that's not right. The truth is he and Joe Biden. you know they're going to be they're going to be out there and and they are going to have the state to themselves and that could be very significant. What do you make though of that when you juxtapose it with a nine point drop and everyone else sort of is in the range they? Oh yeah there's there's two separate things I think you've seen A PATTERN OF CANDIDATES Elizabeth Warren for first Comma Harris If you WANNA go way back to the summer then Elizabeth Warren than people to change and Biden in there too where they took the front runner status they kind of took the pounding that it that it takes and only biden has been unable to sustain a relative He stays stays there. He doesn't everyone else. Says move so this is predictable and as patron and I were talking talking about On the way in the one candidate that doesn't seem susceptible to this is Bernie Sanders and I think because as Patrick said he's got this base that are going to do they're going to be out there no matter what happens. It's not matter what Bernie said and he's not going to bleed to buy. I mean no two very different propositions for now the story and I are right now is just how undecided in nervous so many voters are not sort of certain that they you ask a lot of voters in they're not sure about where they're going to be the US Bernie Sanders supporters and they are very much committed with him all right. Thank you both. And don't miss the next democratic debate it will be the on. CNN Tuesday night at nine eastern and out front next CNN sits down with Joe. Biden's wife Jill to find out how she is taking on her husband's critics because she is on plus Bernie Sanders surprise. Run in with the other guy that can get a red face and white hair. Have you become president. You've got to be flying back and forth. Yes it played him. It'll be great for the country terrible for me tonight. Joe Biden's top surrogate making the case that he is the most electable Democrat running and taking on his critics Uh she says so. Science is out front Joe Biden. And I'm Joe Biden's husband. Jill Biden is married to a twenty twenty front front runner. She's quickly becoming a campaign headliner of if the election were held today. Who would you want to step in to clean up this mess? Former second lady. Crisscrossing the early states here in New Hampshire this week with young voters meeting with volunteers and making her pitch at intimate house parties. How do you see your role in this campaign? I see it as as a heart. This is a critical time time for me to support him. Because you know I want change I mean I want a new president like her husband Biden. I didn't is frustrated with the current occupant of the White House. Biden's watch as her husband and son Hunter have become targets of president trump renew. Donald trump trump was going to be a difficult opponent. Then he was never gonNA play fair. I think we were ready for whatever was going into come our way but I think it's important that you move forward in a positive way. Joe Biden has faced criticism from his Democratic rivals levels Bernie Sanders saying he has too much baggage and can't excite voters to trump. I say that's ridiculous. I don't like it that Democrats attack other Democrats were in this race against Donald Trump Alexandria. Cossio Cortes she said that Democrats can be too big of a tense tense. Is She right no she's not white. Democrats can't win without independent support. A lot of people come up to me are let in a lot of people say say you know for trump last time. But I'm sorry I did it and said I want to vote for someone. Who is this pragmatic? WHO's a moderate who's reasonable who can achieve things and and that's my husband off the campaign trail Biden's devoted in her life to teaching even working at a community college as second lady but this semester? She's taking a break from the classroom to help her husband win the nomination and I just took a leave of absence but if we get to the White House I mean I think there would be no better message for teachers. Eight years to say. Hey look who we are as she jumps from stop to stop Biden says she draws energy from life on the trail. You know. It's invigorating. Look at those women I just met. I mean they were so much fun. I mean really interesting. People all over the country and hear their stories are signs. CNN Concord New Hampshire next genie on the candidate and the comedian coming face to face. Here's Jeanne Moss Labor what happens when Bernie Sanders and Larry. David happened to be separately booked. The same. Today's show much enthusiasm is shown. I'm here with curb your enthusiasm. Larry David no wait. How L. Curb your enthusiasm Larry? David it's not like they haven't met you. Larry has been playing Bernie for years. I want this president. What are these Washington insiders or Diana was one pair a clean underwear? gutty drives on radiator Kaleri and Bernie radiate similarity really learn distantly. He is second or third cousins. I feel a familial connection with them. The established through DNA on the show finding your roots. What the Hell your? You're kidding kidding. Ever since if you become president you've got to be flying back and forth. Yes it play him. It'll be great for the country. You a good job for four years complaining Larry got an emmy nomination for impersonating Bernie. He does the Best Bernie Sanders than I do. But here's the secret. I don't think you're acting when you do Bernie Sanders. There's not much to. She didn't even have to beat it out of it Jeannie C._N._N.. New and thanks for joining US Anderson starts now.

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Who's joining me in a just a bit Just wanna remind you that this is the hannity show and you can call in. And i'll take your phone calls every opportunity. I have the phone. Number is one eight hundred nine. Four one sean. One eight hundred nine four one seven three two six one eight hundred nine. Four one sean. S. e. a. n. So i'm rose. You can check me out on facebook. Please do in fact go there and like me and follow me all the stuff that you're supposed to do on facebook. It's rose unplugged also on me. We i do that too. Rose unplugged twitter at rose. Underscore unplugged parlor. Is rose unplugged. Instagram is rose unplugged. The number one and my website is rose unplugged dot com. I mean i think it kind of has to do is rose unplugged like if you throw that in there anywhere. I'll bet you you would find me. So i'm so excited to be here. There's a couple of things going to talk about and we aren't going to talk. You look when we talk about pennsylvania. We're talking about all of the other battleground states we're talking about what's going on here and how that represents what's going on across the country and why so many eyes are on pennsylvania so i guess we will be focusing on that. But we're gonna we are going to take a look. Further a congressman mike. Kelly and congressman. Dan user will join me at three thirty five. We're gonna talk about not only what's happening here and some of these battleground states but what are we going to do nationally. How are we going to protect the vote in the future. How can we have confidence once again. In the system that has failed us and failed us tremendously. So that's the first thing coming up this hour you know last year. When the president gave his state of the union address he said something very strongly and very boldly i. I loved him for it. I love him for a lot of reasons. But i loved it when he said america will never be a socialist country. We all took notice that we certainly did and we appreciated that because he understood where we were headed where the left was headed. But you know who else took notice the left and they believed his promise because guess what every bit as much as you and. I believe that he made good on promises. They watched him on every promise that he made to the american people. So why would that promise be any different america. He said we'll never be a socialist country. He promised us that as long as he is president while they are doing everything to make sure that they make a transition so smooth so easily into socialism. You can almost start to see it can't you. Can't you feel it right now. You know advocates of socialism have long believed that we shouldn't be making our own decisions. I mean we really can't we couldn't we couldn't possibly be permitted to assess our own risks. That's the job of government right government and government alone. They believe knows what's best for us and how best to conduct our lives. Listen big no mistake. Socialism demands there be no free press no free speech no free elections. No free enterprise. Does any of this sound familiar. The goal of socialism is to kill the human spirit the very spirit our founding fathers unleashed when they decided that this country would be founded on godly principles principles that promote the individual wall. Not the state you remember. We hold these truths to be self evident that all men are created equal that they are endowed by their creator with certain unalienable rights. And that among these are life liberty and the pursuit of happiness. Socialism doesn't like that okay because that doesn't allow them to stay in control. Socialism despises a middle class. Those people that have pursued happiness through entrepreneurship. They despise that. And i'll tell you something. I truly believe that. The more shutdowns of small businesses the more smoothly that transition toward socialism. Because you know why. A successful middle class is the predictable result of capitalism. It is what makes america unique democrats always say that they care about the middle class and jobs but everything they do everything they do but and destroys the middle class whether it's through taxation through regulations and through shutdowns. The last thing democrats want is a wealthy middle-class because a wealthy middle-class doesn't what what the democrats are selling and that is government dependency so one of businesses are going to shut down again. I mean they didn't care that many of those businesses that were left standing after the last shutdown are only standing on one wobbly lague and that another shutdown will effectively knock them off of that leg as well causing them to shut their doors forever and so many governors are out there. Oh i've got a list of what some governors and mayors and other officials are doing even though they tell you. This is socialism by the way they tell you how you need to live your life. But they don't have to live under those same rules that you have to live under because they are the elites they are the elites. And i've got a list of them and we'll go through it but they wanna seem to make sure that whatever was left standing will no longer be and don't forget that small business is the backbone of this country. The small business owner gave blood and sweat and tears and their savings to build that business to support that community to employ people living in that community. They are the backbone of this country. Socialism eliminates free markets and does away with free enterprise. No it doesn't work just look at venezuela a once prosperous mess. They're a mess. Because of destructive socialist policies to radical governments and socialist dictatorships have done nothing absolutely nothing to enhance the human condition. Nothing the freedom that america has gifted to the world and believe it we have we have gifted so much to the world because of our freedom on the other hand has raised the baseline of human existence beyond anything ever conceived before socialism does nothing to hance the human condition but freedom freedom has raised the baseline of our human existence beyond anything we've ever seen and attempts to stifle that are tyrannical acts and we are seeing radical acts across this country. Many of them are happening in blue states to be sure our fathers our forefathers ran from the torino of kings that's what they were escaping someone who was telling them how they could conduct their life. How they could work. You could only listen. You could only be a success over there at that time if you were born into it if you had a certain blood line or if they determined you could be. You could only worship the way they wanted you to worship. They ran from tarango rule of kings yet. Those on the left today seem to be running towards tyranny of a different kind a different sort. You know a lot of talk about pennsylvania right now. I was listening to the news before the show started. You hear a lot. Pennsylvania pennsylvania and all eyes were on pennsylvania for good reason they were essentially they were crucial to the two thousand sixteen win for donald trump. And right now. I'm broadcasting to you from pennsylvania from pittsburgh and once again we are. We are a very important place in this state. What is happening in this state to counties in particular philadelphia and allegany have had some of the worst fraud incidents that you could imagine. Pennsylvania yes we have is on this date and you. If you think about it we are the keystone state. We are the stone that holds all the others in place. It was here that thirteen colonies became the united states of america. It was here. Eleven years later that the most radical document of all time was drafted our constitution. It was here that freedom was birth and later fought for. It was here that it has been established that our liberties do not come from man but from god because otherwise man could take them away as we have seen it was william penn who once said those who will not be governed by god will be ruled by tyrants my friends this is all about liberty everything that you see going on right now. Everything that's been going on since the election and then behind the scenes before the election it is all about liberty. Isn't it interesting. We've come almost full circle the very places that we establish that liberty that freedom for not just those living at that time but for those that came after them. This is a battle for liberty. Our liberty was declared two hundred and forty four years ago by men who pledged their lives their fortunes and their sacred honor to the 'cause we owe them a life dedicated to preserving liberty not a capitulation to the tyrannical forces of socialism. But we owe them a life dedicated to preserving liberty. John adams said you will never know you never know how much it costs my generation to preserve your freedom. I hope you will make a good use of it. Ladies and gentlemen it is up to us right now to make good use of it black friday cyber monday one day only sale now. Wouldn't you rather just work with a company who put you on a pedestal everyday. Well that's what you get with pure talk usa. Now this is a veteran run wireless company who understands what it means to serve now. Other carriers like verizon. At and t. t. Mobile viewer with them you're overpaying pure and simple pure talk and easily save you over four hundred bucks a year. 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Get you some point in this hour later on. Let's go with sean deer park texas. Hey sean how you doing sort of taking my call. i appreciate it I just curious your thoughts on you know the longer this kind of goes on. It's kind of like the trump supporters. And at least. I know you know here in texas. Everybody was really enthused coming up to the election and then it happened. Everybody's like well. You know naively thinking that you know the you know the elected officials are going to do the right thing but it seems like the longer it goes on all they want to talk about is protecting future elections. And let's just forget about this one so he under the rug and you know that kinda wanted your opinion on that and on sydney powell which her They keep building up. What she's working on that. That's going to be something. Yeah i do and we're gonna talk more about sydney powell little later. But sean let me just say something couple things. She said number one. I reject the idea that you know. We'll just move forward and We'll work on this for the next election. We can't afford to wait until the next election. We need to know that we did everything right now that we could do now. I don't know how that all ends up. I still have hope. And i feel very optimistic. But i know this sean. We cannot stop doing what we are doing. We are fighting for more than a candidate. We are fighting for more than election. We are fighting for more than donald trump. Okay we are fighting for our republic. We are fighting for free elections. And if we don't win this battle then. I am very concerned and these people that say. Let's wait until the next election. Let's work on this later. Baby there may not be another free election. Another republican or conservative candidate may never win again. So we need to know sean when we go forward that we did everything that we could do everything that we could do. I have not lost any hope. I am going to stand firm. I'm going to pray for this country. Because i believe this is a battle that first starts on our knees and i will pray for this country. And its future showing. Thanks so much for your phone call. I appreciate it. Frank from bellmore new york. Hey frank all right. How are you just saying something. And that's good I just want to add very quickly to what i called for it and try point. The last caller. I'm tired of hearing people say. Oh we gotta have credit what happens tighter that we need to fight now because there is no tomorrow we need to fight for. What's right now. There's no giving up period. There are things you can do koi state legislator you can you can contact the people. Who aren't affidavit scorned by support something like there's so many things we can do is individuals. Hold on frank what we'll finish you up on the other side babe we have to. We have to go to a break right now. Stay with us. And you're listening to sean hannity. My name is rose. Check me on facebook twitter parlor. Instagram website rose unplugged. And we'll be about so much more. Also coming up congressman mike. Kelly and congressman dan. Musa loved them. Both great is a mother's day and just a couple of weeks my friends at shamanee making it a very special mother's day from now till mother's day you'll get the classic genucell to get rid of bags and puffiness under your eyes and the jaw line treatment at a discount. Never before and as a surprise mother's day gift genucell will double your order for free. And whether you're staying home going back to work or simply connecting remotely with your loved ones as the time to say goodbye to puffiness dark spots crows feet and even firm up that delicate skin around your jaw line and your neck area your neck. Zoom your next facetime. Well you're going gonna look and feel better guaranteed or you get your money back. No questions asked order genucell. Mother's day special. Now double your order for free. 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Welcome to both of you. Thanks for joining me today. All thanks for having us rose. Thank you very much mike. Great to be with you had to be with you. Dan you both. I have been with both of you. congressman dan user. Recently in harrisburg. There is a huge rally. Stop the steel rally. And we were out there for that and then congressman. Mike kelly you and i were in washington. Dc and both of us spoke on the main stage there at the supreme court steps. So it's it's been. It's been a lot of fun working with both of you. And you both are very passionate about this country about the republic that being said yes. I appreciate that you know. Let's start with congressman. Mike kelly right now. There's a case that your named as a plaintiff you know and this is about protecting. The pennsylvania constitute and the rule of law has nothing to do with being a republican or democrat or an independent. And it's It's all about ensuring that all laws are passed within our constitutional system of government and we cannot cannot have laws. That are unconstitutional congressman. Mike kelly tell me a little bit about it. Because i know that one of the things that you wanted to do was delayed the certification. But the they did certify in pennsylvania. Didn't they yeah. I was you know it. So it's it's hr eighty seven fifty three. But what really caused protect the election integrity acting and i gotta tell you what we saw happen. The pizza we're going to talk about today. Amac seventy seven with the pennsylvania state legislature in october of two thousand nineteen passed an the Piece of legislation that had in it this mail in ballots of issue fan. It was done outside the constitution. It's an unconstitutional. Law passed by the legislature. Back over two thousand like being so it had nothing to do with the pandemic at that time but it had everything to do with going outside the constitution. And what we're doing is we're challenging that we're saying wait a minute. That's not the way it works. You just can't go ahead and doing these things There's a process to follow there should've been amendment was put through. I was never done it done that way. So now we're fighting up an issue that we think is critical. It's got to. She's don't matter then. I don't know what it is that we're following anymore especially when it comes to the rule of law. These are serious serious things that are taking place in both. You know if you look at some of the things that happened incredible but took place. I just look at philadelphia and pittsburgh rose. I bought this poker. Six hundred and eighty thousand yet balanced. That only had one on one oversight on the oversight by democrats and those those about ballot-counting situation. So that's a huge huge issue. But the the deputy seventies that was pushed through the pennsylvania legislature back over two thousand nineteen. Was the start of all this with a mail in ballots in the fact that we had so many irregularities in this election it caused a great deal of concern on his show on everybody's part. It really does congressman kelly and congressman user. I mean wh when a law is passed i mean. Pennsylvania citizens have reason to believe it was lawfully passed and that it's constitutional when we find out that it is not regardless of the nature or the subject of the law. It's incumbent upon us to challenge that law and that's what's being done in pennsylvania that's what has been going on pennsylvania well precisely and i i will say we there's My kelly initiative not a member of congress could there be and here in pennsylvania we have many many millions of people have serious concerns to the overall integrity of the of the election but certainly the fairness of the election of the president of the united states. And we're already estate that doesn't require. Id that'd be polling places but then to throw in their millions literally millions of mail in ballots and then have the secretary of state say that signatures. Don't meet the match right. I'll at least at the polling places the signatures needed to match and then have ballot. Applications granted not the ballots ballot applications. Going out to everyone to three at a time and yes those. Those deceased were receiving those people who are living in those homes anymore so the problems really would act. Seventy seven is left open a lot of these opportunities. Frankly for cheating and then throw in there. The regular activities of again. The governor's office and the secretary of state passed allowing Balanced b- received after the statutory date of Of eight o'clock on election night the curing fixing various counties. They're still questions that need to be answered and and they they should be. That's the whole reason behind some of the lawsuits And the president position and the request or due process or For for some of these answers. Yeah i agree. I mean there's just so. People know our pennsylvania. Supreme supreme court had recently ruled that any ballot without a date and name or address could be counted and yet our state assembly specifically states. That you have to fill out that if you have to have that information so that it's really concerning what's going on now for both of you and and simul start with you congressman new sir when you when we think about what we do going forward right now. I'm happy that that there are great lawyers on the ground here. There's heavy cadre of lawyers in philadelphia. They're doing everything they can do to protect the integrity of our vote here in pennsylvania. But let's talk about what happens even beyond this. I mean we knew we were being worn for years. That fried what should be and was an issue. We've always had that problem in pennsylvania. Now we are seeing it nationwide now. I know that congressman user. You just recently spoke on the house floor about the importance of a lawful and free and fair vote count not just in pennsylvania but in the nation. Yeah i sure did. And i was trying to appeal certainly to explain our position and make our case but also appeal to democrats and republicans. Who have any doubt as to why we're pursuing The type of legal actions and requests for more information as we are for the purpose of fair election stated. What's at stake. Here is truly the faith in our system. And you know something i Election integrity doesn't take sides right. We can't allow a system to be games and and 'cause if we allow this just to here it could occur again but we at the same time. We have a very important election that we the presidential election of twenty twenty. It's still needs So meet some some answers to questions you know. And that's so true congressman. Kelly you know. the congressman just spoke about Not necessarily being a republican issue. And it's not. And i have been saying that on this show and others have as well that this isn't about one candidate it isn't a belt. Donald trump. this is about a process. This is about a free election. And that is why i think most of us are so very concerned. Next time it could be someone else's candidate and we want to protect everyone's vote going forward. Saw absolutely true. And i i think rose if you look at the history of the concern. We have to the integrity of elections. You go back to the help. America vote act two thousand and two where in that case it was the the question over vice president. Al gore losing to president bush and the concern. We had the jake or do we need to be able to look at this. You know the old saying still persist that The best the best thing in the septic sunlight and so when you look. What's going on right now. I would certainly think this is just common sense and i would just ask all our listeners. The things do this if you believe that you've done everything the right way and you're being challenged on whether that is in fact true you would say i don't care let's do this. Let's have a bowl and open book at what took place and if there's something that we're not testing or what we're not telling the truth about then we need to make it a public and if there is something that's wrong then then fine. That's who this case people were saying. No no no no. You don't have to look any deeper. When the supreme court of pennsylvania decide to have to ferreting and the way people vote. And that people that when i went to the polls on november thirty and cast about and then you have another group of people supposedly about it. We had dead people voting. We had a lot of people voting that we're voting two or three times. In some cases we have more votes than there. Were people in those districts to vote and people saying no no no nothing here to see folks. Just move on. I am absolutely done. That on the other side of the how people would say look. I don't care what you all think it. I don't care how bad it looks we're going to go with. I know dan tonight working on this for a long time. We really do believe that. Every every legitimate block will vote needs to be touted encountered properly this other part of nuts wing that is the one thing that casts a shadow over this election and should bring everybody to the attention of. Do we have any integrity. In america voting process or have we become worse than the worst banana republic the south there today. It doesn't make sense. Gross it does not make sense congressman. Or i'll give you the the final word in this segment. And i appreciate both of you being here. Go ahead congressman. Thanks rose we need. Leadership in government ended all parts of our society that works for the people and as honest with the people and represents a people in a in a highly sensitive matter and this this this election process and the decisions made by a few. Frankly enhance bug. And the governor's office put a tremendous amount of trust in the election. System is just raise about it. I mean polls have it. What sixty five seventy percent of over three million votes and it just goes with that but it also goes with up and how that's being handled. It's it should be inclusionary. Should be a discussion. We should all have shipped on how to create a health and open economy and it really comes down to leadership and those who wanna wanna what truly work for the people and the government of the people by the people and for the people. That's the that's the commitment that we that we make. And i know that's my dedication. I know it's my kelly's and many of us. I've seen your dedication and i've seen how well the people in your district and in fact across the state respond to both of you. I appreciate all that you both have done. Thank you so much for serving this country. So well and serving the state of pennsylvania as well Take care of congressman. Mike kelly and congressman dan. You sir appreciate you. 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You also get sixty day. Risk-free trial and is nothing to lose simplisafe hannity dot com love disco. I absolutely loved us go. Thank you for that jason. And thank you frank for hanging in there. Why don't you. i've got about a minute for you. Frank finish up your thought and thanks for being so patient. Thank you You know the average age of the beaches own was twenty years. Old matting obviously short. Yes i had. A conversation kid brother was killed. Abs what are you doing. What do you and he said. America do for freedom. Twenty four was wasn't the turn any pause with my dead and say you know do big pro because i want to honor the guys who came before me. They gave so much. And that's what we need to do. The seventy three million with donald trump. And that's it to get to him on. Let's let these georgia oh to do their job. The leads we can give me to honor all those who sacrificed everything frank. I am so glad that we held you over. That was so powerful. I'm sorry for your loss. God bless you and that was that was powerful. I really appreciate that. We have so much more coming up lots to talk about hopefully shedding some light on similar things going on. Give you more encouragement. I do want to say this wednesday. November twenty fifth restaurants and bars are ordered in pennsylvania to suspend alcohol sales at five pm until eight. Am on thursday governor wolf. The craziest man. I've ever heard of. I'm serious guys losing. It says that. I think he's doing is just to say look. This is so fun. Look what we can do to these people. Honestly he's thanksgiving is the biggest day for drinking damn right. It is and acknowledged bars and restaurants have been hit hard by the pandemic but this one i band is needed needed for what governor for what one night. And i'm going to tell you something governor. Let me tell something. After he'd been to four different grocery stores yes four and cleaned an entire home in prep bedrooms for guests. I need a drink and it was exactly at five o'clock on wednesday night that i was planning to have that drink. Who the hell do you think you are seriously. Who the hell do you think you are and really. We know. this doesn't make any sense. We know you're screwing with us. We know it rose unplugged filling in for hannity love hannity. We'll be back with lots more. I've got great guest. coming up. david shown is joining me next. Heath a great guy very smart man looking forward to talking to him and it really picking his brain all right so hang with us. You're listening to the hannity radio show. And he's got his book. Live for your die. New york times bestseller qualcomm. We believe in staying connected and you can see us wherever five g is helping transform telemedicine supporting remote education empowering mobile. Pc's the invention ages here. Learn more at qualcomm dot com slash invention age. Okay we're back. This is the sean hannity show. My name is rose. Check me out on facebook and knee we. It's rose unplugged on twitter. It's at rose. Underscore unplugged parlor. Rose unplugged instagram. Rose unplugged with the number one after it. Website is rose unplugged dot com. Makes it really easy for you. I will take your phone calls a little later. One eight hundred nine. Four one sean. Get the calls in one. Eight hundred nine four one seven three to six so excited to have this guy. Because i've had him on before. When i was sitting in for sean and i think i might have had him on my show to Civil liberties attorney former board member of the alabama civil liberties union. He has experienced an election. Law just finished a major brief in an election case. He's done election contest. Bringing ballot access cases all around the country challenging states laws on how small parties and independents get on the ballot. Smart guy knows what he's talking about represented minor party candidates in presidential years. Two thousand sixteen. This guy is so cool and We're gonna talk about Some of the things that are going on in the different states and clear some things up. Because i keep getting asked the same questions. Please welcome to the show. David shown how are you fine. Thanks thanks very much and you did have me on your show. And i love to do a fabulous job. You're so sweet. I thought so. I remembered that. Yeah i like you. And i feel the same way about you and thank you so much because there were so many things i wanted to ask you about. I don't even start. But i think i will start with this so many people. David have been texting me over the last few days about sydney powell and they have concerns. Because you know. The the president's legal team had tweeted that she was not part of the legal team but was she ever david. And what do you suppose. The reasoning was behind the statement that there was a need to say that because people reading that and what i think is a negative way but i i think they're reading it in a negative way. I think it's all fine. I think they're just making their clarifying some things So they can continue to go forward. What what do you say david about that. you know. i really don't know the inner workings of that. I mean i certainly know them all All those players. They're all people. Frankly i I it could be something technical like you know. There's been a an issue raised in the press about campaign funds using used to hire this lawyer and that lawyer. I don't know. I think it's a lot of nonsense quite frankly. They're all out there doing their jobs. What whatever fradkov is it represents this trend that we're seeing that all to present in the last couple of years threats there threats toward criminal prosecution of the lawyers who dare to challenge the Voting effort in michigan or wisconsin or georgia. Now there's a threat about bringing a bar. Complaint about rudy giuliani and so on and so forth. It's just outrageous kind of intimidation. Listen i hate to draw parallels the things that are a little bit different. But i think it's a bit similar to the whole hunter biden situation. The president of the united states asked for an investigation not a prosecution and investigation into honor. Biden's dealings in the ukraine. How they affect joe biden etc. He was impeached over it. this kind of intimidate tent fly. There's probably no more right. Say more valuable american political system then our right to vote one of the cases. You mess left out. Fortunately and my background is the shelby. County voting rights case in the supreme court. I was on the losing end of that case representing alabama voters. But i do these election cases. Because i think they're very important. I represented in two thousand twenty socialist candidate for president just to get on the ballot. I believe in full participation. And you know it's it's so important but this kind of intimidation has got to go. You know and you're so right because it's not and we talked about this a little earlier. We're not talking about one campaign we're not talking about one person. This goes far beyond that. The voter needs to know. Every voter needs to know that their votes were recounted that the election was legitimate that it was a free election and there is so much controversy right now. And there's so much concern. I mean my goodness david. I'm still hearing from people that you know they. They're looking at their absentee ballot status online. And they still they see that it hasn't been counted. Or you know. I mean there are just so many issues right now and some will say david and i and there's someone in allegany county who said to me the other day republican. Well you know so there's fraud. There's always fraud david. This goes beyond the always fraud that we may have seen in previous elections. This is greater on a grander scale. Don't you do you agree with that. I don't know the facts yet about the flooding when we're gonna know it. I hope there's gonna be a full investigation. When all the heat dies down this is really followed through to the nth degree but what we do know is many of these elections. Were razor close. This is again. I like into the biden thing. The american people should want to know. This isn't donald trump demanding this and demanding that and to the extent he's demanding it his dominion for the american people. It's the integrity of our election process our country and guay of government and life depend on it. Frankly i hear people say in georgia. Oh my gosh she's asking for third recount. Now it's georgia law. This is something. Donald trump made up when there's a margin of less than point five percent. Then the recount a hand recount and. Then there's a machine recount. That's what the law provides. He didn't write. The law is not asking any special favors and the idea that lawyers should be threatened to ask for these things. This is in the public interest. Yeah you're so right about that and it should be in everyone's interest so you know there's something i wanted to talk to you about. I know you're familiar with this. That there were those congressional democrats. Was i think a year ago sent a letter to the owners of dominion voting systems. And they were talking about in that letter or several problems that they saw with the system and how it might threaten the integrity of our elections. Isn't that interesting that we have not heard anything more about that. I believe senator. Warren was one of those democrats. Yeah y- i think you have to ask us politics stunning in. Its a bankruptcy so so frequently unfortunately. And we've talked for the last couple of years about this double standard but how on earth these people wake up in the morning. Look themselves in the mirror and now make these accusations that this is outrageous to accuse a company like dominion of issues or problems or fraud. And then you put on the you know the head of dominion. We're an american company. We haven't done anything wrong. Two thousand nineteen december two thousand. Nineteen exactly like you said. Letter signed by democratic senators and widen from oregon elizabeth warren. Amy klobuchar congressman mark. Poke can they didn't just say. Hey guys let's take a look at our elections. Just are we safe. They said dominion voting system. We're concerned about the problems that quote threaten the integrity of our relation elections including quote vote-switching. Close close now come on. That's what we're talking about here and all of a sudden you're a criminal if you dare raise that issue or ask question about it. They should be out front demanding the answers they demanded In two thousand and nineteen. Now they like what they think is the result of the election. And so there's no issue it's move on folks isn't that that's just astounding isn't it absolutely is and they'd said nothing. We've heard nothing from them. Not one word. Yep that's right. It says it's terrible. It's terrible message. The american people people are sick and fed up in sick of this hypocrisy in politics and politics with everything. Between i mean we saw it with this nadler schiff over the last few years impeachment proceedings lying and so on american. People are sick of that. You saw seventy some odd million people come out and vote for donald trump against the media against the russian investigation against covid nineteen against every obstacle. They put up in this man's way seven. Some odd million people came out to vote for him. It's not wrong to demand integrity in the process and to ask all of these questions so Opinion we are doing precisely what we should be doing right now. This is what the system provides for. This is what should be done it. Doesn't you know they say well. This lawsuit and that lawsuit have been thrown out. I think i think it's the case that some of the lawyers who have been bringing the cases have been inexperienced with election law. They've sued some of the wrong people at times and all that that doesn't make them clowns and it doesn't make the suit without merit. What we do know is many law firms. Who signed on to take on these battles were threatened. Their clients were approached by some political groups and threatened if they continue with them and some of the pulled out for that reason as a lawyer. I can't stand to see that happening. I take on unpopular cases all the time and to try to put me out of business or any lawyer out of business because you take on an unpopular. It's also a popular rock. Donald trump speak for at least half of this country. Yeah i mean listen. It's an outrage. It really is right here. In pennsylvania so many law firms so many lawyers were threatened and and and it was so to me and it was so sad to that these people the lawyers that are on the ground. Here you know fighting possible fraud Trying to put together a case and to find out that they couldn't even get a lawyer to present for them. It's an outrage and citizens are being threatened and intimidated even citizens for standing up for the constitution the rule of law. And you wonder sometimes what country do we live in when people are threatened with bodily harm for speaking about the rule of law in this country has been the one beacon in the world where people have been able to express their opinion freely and safely without fear of retribution or without intimidation and our constitution provides these protections that every single american must that we should be respecting spectacle of and cheerful are cherish those abilities that right and those protections that we have under the constitution and right now it is frightening to see what is going on it certainly is and i just. I know that everyone is doing what we need to do. Because as you said we're not doing it for just one person one election one candidate we are doing it for the integrity of the vote and the integrity of the election. And it's sad to watch some of the things that are going on you've said at all i mean that's absolutely right. You know i believe in this system. I didn't represent the socialist candidate. Because i believe in you know the policy. Frankly i represented you know ku klux klan man. I don't believe in the cookbook. Clinton i believe in the integrity of our system period And we have to be able to work to make that a better system. I represented in the past the national democratic party at trial. I was proud to do it. I can't recognize them anymore. I don't recognize this people like the squad and the threats that they make the demands that they make. This isn't the what our country was built on and our country can't survive. If it goes forward it would certainly be a very different country. Put it that way it really would. You're so right about that. One question i have for you because i'm not sure i understand for example on The pennsylvania secretary of state did certify the election results. Okay just recently. And i know that there were some cases that are out. There are asking for extensions and asking them to hold off on doing that. Even though the secretary of state's certify election results can some of these some of this litigation go forward. Does it matter that they've certified the election results. It can't notification can go forward. I'm afraid though now. What we've seen is and this is what i think. The democratic party is pushing for the momentum. Just takes on sort of an inertia of its own so that there's so many forces pressing to just walk away the media's overwhelming with it and now there've been suggestions the president say listen. You know what. I can't fight everybody all at once. I'm going to step aside if that happened that i sure hope there's impartial investigation. That finds out even if after the fact Whether there was fraud and what happened to the integrity of this election Listen you know. We're starting to see the cabinet. Picks come in now and just see things that don't matter you've got a pick in the cabinet. Forget about bringing. John kerry back. I mean that that to me is outrageous but not just retreads. It's like the second tier. But you're you're seeing a guy come in now who was one of the advocates of the russian collusion theory. I mean i think this guy's got you know an apology to make the carter page. He's got an answer questions when this confirmation comes up this can't just be business as usual anymore. This was an attack on the presidency that went on for years. Notwithstanding that attack there was there were unbelievable accomplishments including the economy including a record stock market. But my things that i'm interested in including our foreign affairs I think was never stood taller. I agree david sean. Thank you so much for joining us. I really appreciate you. You're a wealth of knowledge and happy thanksgiving to you by the way happy thanksgiving. Thank you my honor my honor. 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There are other people who are on their knees fighting the battle that way through prayer then there are others who were are making phone calls in writing letters. I think that that Every time in our different seasons in our life bring about a different opportunities or different ways to fight something. We're in a very important time right now on this country and i think it requires so much out of so many of us but also remember to talk a little bit more about this later. Remember what was said. You know that so much was given. You'll never know how much it costs my generation to preserve your freedom. Adam said i hope you will make good use of it. We must remember that and we must do whatever it takes. We must stand firm and As we go forward. I think we're on the right track right now. Thank you so much for hanging in there. We'll be back with lots more right after this. Welcome back to the sean hannity show. My name is rose. Check me out on. Facebook rose unplugged me. 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He's been more outspoken. In any other member of congress. He's raising awareness for early treatment options and therapeutics for covid nineteen. You would think this is something that everyone would be behind an excited about. Oh but no because the left is too busy fearmongering also. Joining us is dr george farid. He is harvard medical school graduate bra on. He is along with other doctors his clinic. He's treated over two thousand covid. Nineteen patients this is amazing and listen. Many of then he has treated with chemotherapy. Hydroxy chloroquine cocktail. We're going to talk to him about that as well. So i let me just say welcome senator johnson and dr farid. How are you both. I'm doing great roles things having fun. Thank you for being on. Let's talk about this. let's start first with senator johnson. You have been very outspoken on the floor talking about some of the areas that we never really talk about and that is early treatment and therapeutics for covid nineteen. You've been very outspoken. You've been criticized for talking about this. What is wrong with taking this angle. Wouldn't we want to put people in a position where they could either fight off the virus or they could never be. They could never have to worry about fighting it in the first place if they were in a certain position either With their immune system or with therapeutics. What's wrong with that. there's nothing wrong with it. It makes all the sense in the world. And i'm so glad i'm on the show. A real hero. Doctor dr freed has saved. I don't know how many lives but he's one of those frontline. Doctors been practicing for over fifty years. I'll let him speak from south but it takes courage to treat covid patients. not not. Everybody does that not everybody medicine. Watch to do that Because it's a scary illness. It's there's legitimate fear out there but as with most viruses for example tamiflu. Everybody knows if if you get the flu or you know somebody has a food and you start getting symptoms. You can't take this tamiflu early to stop the viral replication. So you don't get very sick. Well the same thing we can assume it's true with Cova and so it just boggles my mind. There's been such resistance to pouring all kinds of time and effort in robust studies and and funding into early treatment options. And the only thing i can conclude his to conclusions. Either it's just because president trump talked about one of those early treatment options. Only one option. I also that became poison and had zika against it could possibly at the loss of the cost of thousands or tens of thousands of lives and of course the other one is hydroxide thornton zinc and as it to my essen bet total cocktail cuss about twenty dollars to treat somebody versus graham desa severe. Which they they rushed into approval. They actually changed. The outcome of the study. Didn't do anything in terms of reducing deaths reduce hospital. Stay slightly it. Has you know side effects. Like liver toxicity. But they rushed that through the student using it. It's kind of a standard karen and hospitals now and that costs over three thousand dollars. So is that part of the process to is. The puppies obviously would love to charge a three thousand dollars versus you. Have you get supplied through a generic drug company. I dropped so corcoran with the zinc is just off. The shelf is. That is is a financial motive. I i hate to think that. But i mean what else is there either the politicization of it or the natura motive of of making sure that the only thing we're focusing on expensive therapeutics disappear and others. Yeah you make a good point and doctor. Farid yes you you have a. You're so impressive. I mean you've developed three patents on cancer drugs establish the first. Hiv clinic in california's imperial valley. I mean you and you've been working with so many covid patients when we hear about News again about a spike in nursing homes. Were hearing that right now. What would be wrong with early treatment options. What could we do for those patients in nursing homes to protect them and to give them those whether be early treatment. Options are therapeutics Where this virus is concerned. Well thank you for having me on. And thank you senator. Johnson i one of the most honors of my life was to have joined in on Last thursday's senate hearing on early treatment and to be a sitting next to the heroes vinyl really Doctors have great stature. Dr harvey riche. Dr peter mccullagh but In any case the there's no harm. I mean it's critical to treat a nursing home patients early just as it is any high risk patient in the in the outpatient setting and and i i'm i've been on the front lines since the beginning of the pandemic and we became the epicenter for california in june and july. I've seen i also work in the hospital. So i do treat the icu patients. And i've i've seen patients die in the icu. And that changed my life. And i I'm committed to making available and effective treatment regardless of what it is regardless of. What the cost is that. The there as senator johnson stated their generic agents that were there from the inception we should never have reached two hundred fifty. Three hundred thousand banalities in the united states. We should have cut this off with Effective aggressive treatment and in nursing homes. You bring up. We we want to prophylaxis those people. Those residents with either a flavonoids quercetin and zinc and vitamin d or even hydroxychloroquine. Once a week. I take it weekly. I'm seventy six years old. I'm i'm immersed in covert nineteen and and I've been protected. Because i take that. I i'm sure and i've recommended very widely. We could have done things differently in our country and in our in our world for humanity and I i. I don't Respond to media and op. Ed sitter a derogatory and false or fake news. I'm a doctor. I see i focus on my patients. And i focus on undoing. What been honored to be able to do. And i and and to deal with these compassionate doctors on the front line that are are have seen the light and and i'm sad for president trump. He he was missing advised. I never Is changed that opinion. And and it's cost us so much suffering and we're still seeing it. I'm i'm overwhelmed here as i got back from washington it's been. I'm doing everything that i can do. And i give educate the patients when they come in for their tests so they know they can prophylaxis. And i. I try cover in nursing home and i have all the patients on prophylaxis. And after. That's the yeah. I'm sorry go on and on no no no no actually your your offer to have me speak and absolutely will. Johnson is a hero he. He's outspoken and he's been criticized for what he said. Before i get. Senator johnson and i will just a sec. You said something That that really struck me because you were talking about educating right and if we really care and this may seem dr anecdotal but i do have a friend whose husband did. He was diagnosed with covid nineteen. He got sick. I mean he's recovered but she being in the same household with him Sharing everything with him until they knew about it she never came down with covid. Nineteen but on the other hand. She takes d three enlarge the high. I u Units every day. She take zinc every so. There is something i don't know if that's anecdotal but there may be it's absolutely valid and and that's what should have been educated and the nih and foul she and the fda have stymied us the they have not given us any zero early treatment of Research or or or or Recommendations we have monoclonal antibodies. Now which are great and and those can be combined with the antivirals that we've been using even to make them more effective but they're the monoclonal are only a limited application because they're not that not going to meet the demand but they're they're in the emergency rooms and the patient comes in with early symptoms. They can get their infusion. Then go back to continue or start the outpatient andy hydroxy tour kuni cocktail menton. And that's what i'm doing now see. And that is amazing. And senator johnson. You've been criticized because all you're asking is that in addition to everything else. Let's start educating. Let's act proactive. Let's be proactive. About all of this. What is wrong with that instead. Be nobody you're not. You're not spreading fear and that's what the problem is. If you were spreading fear that would be one thing. Listen guys. I have to ask you both this real quick. You know more and more mandates are coming out and mask wearing again. You have to wear them in your house as soon as you go outside. Keep it on outside in. And i the lockdowns in the mandates and all of these things all over again many people are asking. What is the science behind this when you're asking restaurant owners to to walk down again and they just spent thousands of dollars making outdoor dining feasible particularly in california and here. They prepped for thanksgiving week. Where's the science and all of this guys. Can you help me out. Who wants to go first. Doctor senator johnson all of a sudden it to you and then it's obviously a different debate Personally i wear a mask. Primarily is a courtesy. I write the more and more i'm reading about. It's it's if you are sick first of all you shouldn't be out and about that's right if you're sick and as cinematic and pasta can spread it wearing a mask and that will probably reduce your ability to others actually wearing masks preventing you from getting. It seems like mass are less affected beginning. That's completely separate debate. I guess the point the point. I wanna make is with the data that is coming on on these early treats and i again. I'm not. I'm not liking them. I think we ought to be giving people. Some hope giving you got these. These drugs addressed up. Talk has been around for sixty five years. Tens of billions of doses have been prescribed. Very safe drug okay. So any if some of these meta meta analysis meta data analysis or correct your doctoral dapo Just the wall street journal talking about one of his now says about twenty four percent reduction in deccan hospitals. Even if you senate. If fifty percent reduction in depth hospitalizations saudi study said a fivefold reduction in death when you say drafts clark zinc zinc so these are astounding figures. If you put into a mid to america's rate twenty five seven hundred fifty thousand people have a seventy five thousand souls could have been half of it in twenty five thousand five hundred. Two thousand americans had early treatment. Effective treatment people's lives have been saved. Why not senator johnson up. Thank you for. Thank you for your compassion and and you to doctor farid. There's so much more to talk about. Both of you have done excellent work. We appreciate your passion we care about you care about other the humanity. You're looking at the humanity of all of this and we recognize that appreciate it. Thank you senator. Ron johnson and dr george farid. We'll be back with more of the hannity show. I'm rose unplugged. And i'll take your phone calls too after this. Welcome back to the hannity show. My name is rose. check me out on facebook. It's rose unplugged on me we. It's rose unplugged. This meeting is irritating to like say ok to everybody that wants to join. Unless there's a different way. And i don't know about it. Let me know twitter at rose. Underscore unplugged parlor rose unplugged. Instagram rose unplugged. The number one and my website is rose unplugged dot com and listen in the next half hour. We're taking your phone calls. I'm going to talk about the hypocrisy naming names all of these people that are supposed to be. I swear to god. I swear to god that wolf governor wolf's in pennsylvania. i think he's like hey. Everybody watched this. I'm going to really screw with them now. Just for fun just for the hell of it and he tells us that we can't start drink. We have to stop drinking in bars or going to the liquor store or anywhere like that at five o'clock wednesday night until eight. Am on thursday. What the hell is that all about. And it is exactly five o'clock on wednesday night. I had intended to drink and drink a lot after all the preparation. I had to do for thanksgiving. That is exactly when i was going to start drinking. You know that he's just saying like hey guys look at this watch what i screw them just for the hell of it just for a little more fun you know. That's what he's doing. I mean the. I mean clearly that makes no sense at all no sense at all all right so here it is. It's the hannity show and joining me right now. Is research director of the government accountability institute. He's the author of get this fraud. How left plans to steal the next election of note. This was published in august of two thousand and eighteen. Okay and he's also the producer of the creepy line. It's a documentary that exposes the power of big tack and how much power they have over public opinion so much to talk about He really does get into the weeds about what's happened and what could happen and with censorship. What happened with this election. He predicted it back in two thousand and eighteen erik. Eggers how are you well rose. I'm great Especially since the fact that i live in florida and you know my inlaws literally arrived about an hour ago but i can drink as much as i want so i'm fine. That is so mean for you to bring that up right now in the free state of florida. That's right. oh my gosh. I mean this is insanity it really is and you know eric i have to say it. Is it really strange when you are on the turnpike or you're on major highways here in pennsylvania. I feel like. I'm in the movie outbreak or something weird like that like some kind of sci-fi movie and i see all these signs these led signs that say. You must be quarantined. If you enter this state you must have a mask on you know. It's just like weird. It's so weird. Really weird weird. It's really weird and you know what's what's really sort of bizarre about it is to kind of connect to You know the topics you mentioned earlier is you know we know. And when i wrote the book about you know election fraud and some of the the security issues that we have and we that are documented that we know exist You know that's all pre this new covid reality right. So that's all pre california legalizing harvesting sort of normalized the idea and practice of third party solicitation and collection of also pre this massive increase in mail ballots and have seen a massive increase in in vote by mail so It is super bizarre. That in the name of. I mean we're losing lots of freedoms right in the name of coping era You know not the least of which is your freedom to be able to imbibe whenever you'd like to and i think One of those freedoms unfortunately may be the freedom to have confidence in the outcome of american elections. And that's the scariest thing right. I mean it shouldn't matter to you if you voted for democrat or republican which should matter to you is that this can be done and even a year after you wrote your book the A fraud huddle plant is still the next election Even a year after you wrote that in two thousand nineteen we had democrats that came out and said over little concerned about dominion and how it could transfer votes and but now they're silent. They are completely island because the you know the election went their way to meet seemingly anyway right now. Here's the thing that concerns me. You know we have the guy you know out this way on the western side of the state. There's two there's two counties here in pennsylvania that are of great concern always philadelphia phillies philadelphia county and then allegany county. Now when you have someone say to you who should know better. Oh you know. We always have fried. And i didn't see anything. We'll honda see anything. If you weren't being allowed or permitted to see anything in particular you know in fact it was rudy. Giuliani bed spoke about those two counties and the number of mail in ballots that we had that were like outrageously high numbers almost over seven hundred thousand of them just between those counties. Don't you tell me that there's nothing weird going on this time around. I'm summary well absolutely right. And then you know this year resins of pennsylvania. But you know this is not the first time. Pennsylvania had hard questions asked about the integrity of their elections in two thousand sixteen. There secretary of state actually initially sort of resigned quietly in subsequent reporting by the pittsburgh post. Gazette said that no he in fact he was fired. Four presiding over what we're documented to be what they called glitches in the system that allowed illegal votes to be cast by non-citizens or illegal immigrants. Right i mean pennsylvania You know philadelphia that you mentioned had an election judge someone who's employed to ensure the integrity and accuracy of american elections and he was arrested and charged with literally voter fraud because he was accepting bribes stuffed ballots on behalf of candidates that tatum. It's not like pennsylvania when you say oh. Can you imagine the idea that there might be some questions about what happens here. No unfortunately this is. This is sort of the next chapter if you will in pennsylvania history now. That's not to say that the people don't try hard to do their best to make sure that election outcomes are secure we all saw auschwitz on the sixty minutes thing but But because of the way the system is set up. And i think this is what you're talking to you. Touching upon not just in terms of the lack of ability to observe but the lack of assessment of the accuracy of the voter rolls right So the rowdies wants. Somebody's registered to vote. Then they're gonna be able to cast about whether or not they're legal voter and so i mean that's just an example of one of the many thresholds that i think needs examining and addressing as we move forward you know one of the things that a lot of people. Ask me as want some of these states. After the secretary of state's have certified the election results can litigation still go forward and i believe that it can and we've talked about. I talked a little bit about it earlier. But there is some concern because Because there's some really interesting things that that have been uncovered. I've been talking to a lot of the lawyers on the ground particularly here in the state of pennsylvania and they worked so hard really hard and they and they had process a lot of information before they could go forward with anything. And you want to know that at least this as being given serious consideration and that it's being looked at i mean what is the process. What what do we do from here we. What can we hope for from here. Yeah it's a great question And it's such an important point and You know actually talk about some of the pennsylvania attorneys and there's an excellent attorneys in the state of pennsylvania specifically who are great at election law. And because what they're fighting for right is not just to make sure that this most recent election has accurate. But they're fighting to make sure that the laws that were in place. The day of the elections. Stay in place for the remainder of the outcome. Not just now but in the future. That's always attention. Point that lawyers fight about right. It's like hey can we were able to get them to change or weaken certain security threshold in the middle of the election because once that happens then that's like the new standard as they move forward and that's unfortunate i think we've seen a pattern of that You know over the last several cycles As as released to like what can we hope for. Well you know enough to remember an election. This century that was decided by five hundred thirty seven votes in florida specifically and You know not only did it. Takes thirty seven days before the presidential candidate. That was on the wrong side of that al gore conceded but then and this is where it's really crazy is not not not even after he conceded. Lots of news then went out and conducted their own investigation. Right the new york times the orlando sentinel. These other things like well. After an into the george w bush administration. So what. I think we can hope for is that we're allowed just as a as a country as a democracy right To be able to conduct as much of an investigation and just kind of do a thorough analysis that doesn't necessarily rely on the competence of the people that are currently representing You know donald trump's legal team but kinda just like real experts that do a thorough analysis. I mean historically when people have proven documentary evidence of voter fraud. It's taken actual investigations and sometimes can take years so So because that's just sort of the way the system set up and that's what it looks like to actually do that. Level of forensic accounting investigation. So what i'd like to see is the systems given time to play itself out that we can sort of really get answers to some of the are being raised right. Now that makes sense. You know we're on a slippery slope right now and when you when you consider that you know. We are at risk. We're we're losing the confidence in a free election Free enterprise with all the shutdowns and so forth but also Free speech and we're seeing a lot of censorship. And i know you did your the of the creepy line Right now the left is freaking out over parlor by the way my partner is a rose unplugged but they're freaking out over parlor because people are going over there by the millions Politico the other day took part of their to task. Because they don't censor enough. They want that competition to go away and an and that's astounding to me and speaking not censoring enough when we had those hearings on censorship Dorsey and by the way i if he was in the the the the the car of the e train in new york. I'm not getting in. Okay i mean. If i didn't know who he was i wouldn't get in there But they're they're asking the are asking. The republican representatives are saying. Why are you censoring so much while the democrats are saying. Why aren't you censoring more. So i just don't understand how so many people can be okay with this eric. No no it's exactly right. I mean think about what we were just talking about. As far as what the reaction was after the two thousand election where not only did people sort of like not accept the results for thirty seven days but then even after there was a concession these media outlets went out and did their own an independent investigation and say well did they did. George w bush really win and what we're experiencing right now. Just twenty years later is completely the opposite right. We were totally conditioned by social media outlets news websites even ahead of the elections. They listen heads up. It may take several days to count all the votes. That means that the system is working exactly as it's supposed to like that's what we all were told instead and all the many screens that we see and then as soon as the election was over a couple of days later and once we saw a shift in terms of the leader. Then we were told. No no no you. You not only cannot ask questions or raise concerns given the document the history of electoral fraud that you know that we know exist but if you do that like a flag it right be we might delete it and then now some people some of these social media sites or even adding additional articles the sort of like would they would say is the correct narrative strengthen some of these topics so It's very troubling. And i think doesn't augur good things because if you think about it right. American democracy like the reason why we will have a peaceful transition of power. Right is because everyone generally believes okay like this is how adults do. This is what democracy looks like. It's hard but it's good and But has to have the ability in the belief in their ability to say what they think. You know freedom of speech and that's very much going away. Oh it's very much going away and and everyone should be concerned about that. Everyone should be concerned about that You george washington that said if the freedom of speech is taken away vendome and silent we may be lead like sheep to the slaughter and that is exactly what could happen and understood that and we should understand that and it frightens me that we don't have to go but erik eggers. I really appreciate you author of fraud. How the left plans to still the next election while we're you fresh or what and also producer of the creepy line. Thank you so much eric for joining us today. My pleasure rose. Thank you take care happy. Happy happy thanksgiving all right. Everybody thanksgiving is right now. When we come back we're going to talk about. We'll take some phone calls. One eight hundred. Nine for one sean. One eight hundred nine. Four one sean. Also check me out on twitter at rose underscore and plug parlor rose unplugged. Facebook rose unplugged and my website is rose unplugged dot com. And i look forward to hearing from you and we'll be back with lots more. I'm going to talk about hypocrisy and so much more on the hannity show. Thank you jason for the disco beds. I appreciate that very much. Thanks to gray. Who's here with me. We worked together for many years in radio here in pittsburgh with me. Linda a loveland. I'm also afraid of linda so Last time i didn't hit some things just right and She wasn't in the studio. She couldn't like go after me on the. Am i yell at you. As quickly as i like to do is what you're trying to say. That's exactly what i wanted to say. Instead you were harassing me by texts. Rapid fire anybody. Who knows me knows. I have a very annoying techs pattern which is lined by lying. Because i don't have the patience to wait for the whole paragraphs you get a wine at a time. See all your thing and everybody knows it's me that is so true about you. You did so. I mean i. I know it's obnoxious. I'm sorry i love how obnoxious you are. There's what does that say about me. I don't know you're masochist. I'm not sure. Maybe but i really liked that about your the best linda. Thanks for doing a great job. Rose honey thanks for giving me the opportunity. I always appreciate that. I truly do very welcome. I also appreciate. Wj s here in pittsburgh allowing me to use their studios producer. It's been a lot of fun and They're good people here so thank stolen and the phone calls. Oh so. I do want to take phone calls. I will one eight hundred nine four one seven three two six eight hundred nine. Four one sean. S c a n. I will take your phone calls. Do i have. How much time do i have guys. Now they'd throw that yapping away all right i'll just real quick take Dave or david from california David so you're not gonna clean taxes if biden gets in. And how long do you think you'll get away with that. And even long as i can just keep growing my herd cattle. You better find a place to hide. No but you know what. I understand that i am so very rural. I am so very rural in northeastern california. We're the county that refused to follow the mandate That's you knew some funded are hostile. You know what. I have some news on california coming up. I'm anxious to talk about it. These guys are such hypocrites. It's what you know. It's good for you but not necessarily good for them. So you know it's just they're hypocrites like unbelievable hypocrites. And i have that coming up david. You know what you keep doing your thing my man. You're awesome happy thanksgiving to you. Yeah i started trying to call rush years ago. And i've never got through to him. Yeah that's a tough one. I'm sure word. Thank you sweetie. all right. everybody will be back with more. Yeah it is. It's the sean hannity show. My name is rose sitting. In for sean longtime friend and i really appreciate it. Thanks linda for the opportunity. Check me out on facebook. It's rose unplugged and twitter is at rose underscore unplugged. Hey this just in from governor tom. Wolf due to covid nineteen all pennsylvania residents will be required to wear their underwear on the outside of their clothing until further. Notice what it could happen. You'll be happy. I mean they were suspended. Alcohol sales from five pm wednesday until eight. Am thursday that makes about as much sense right. I mean who knows it could happen. All right yeah. I'm having fun with you guys kind of if you can have fun in this craziness stacey and bring us up to date on what's going on in salem oregon it. We can't have humor. What can we have writing so glad to be with you. Rose and you do a great job. Shout out to linda. Who is one of my personal heroes. I am ccn. I live here. In salem oregon. I'm blessed to be a part of the. Ksl am news. Talk radio team. I have a local morning talk show and there is some amazing things going on in salem oregon as you know there is an executive order that started in march here in oregon from our lovely tongue-in-cheek governor brown who Said we need to flatten the curve. Right well two weeks ago. She started another lockdown. Which told us we need to be on a parise which shut down all of our restaurants or bars including our gyms and told everybody that you cannot have more than six people in your home for thanksgiving and the difficult part is our friends in multnomah county who have already been under siege with all of the what protests slash. It's their county is dealing for four weeks on our freeze in no talk about the hypocrisy. Multnomah county Commissioner is in hawaii meeting with the other fellow what washingtonians and californians oregonians. They're in hawaii. What planning scheming during this free. When everybody else is being told to be locked down. Well let me tell you what's happening tomorrow. Rose and so allies rotate patriots here in oregon meeting at the organ capital. They're going to throw a big thanksgiving feast right on the capitol grounds feeding. Anybody that can come. We're going to have an old fashioned community-wide giving these defy the lockdown and defeat the steel because there are a silent majority of trump's supporters patriots. Right here in oregon. I've been back since january. And i'm telling you it is read here in oregon if you look at the map and the majority of organ is red and we are tired of our election being robbed from us and we were standing with her president stacey. And thank you for that. And i am so proud of the that you do there and i am so proud of Of your fellow citizens in your state of oregon who are willing to go out there and let it be known. Because i'm sure. It's getting a little chilly in oregon. But that's not going to stop us or you. From letting it be known that you resist and you you do not approve of the way. Things are being handled. And you know you're not the only one stacey. Thank you so much by the way for your call. She's not the only one they are. Not the only ones I i'm finding it interesting. andrew cuomo's really upset. That new york police aren't going to enforce his rules for indoor gatherings. Okay because you know that they have rules for that as well in new york city We'll all of new york but the police said they're not going to enforce that then Your business owners kick out the health department and the sheriff's and they said civil disobedience starts now. This was on friday night. Some business owners in buffalo new york the all got together at the athletes unleashed jim and collectively. They refuse to comply when the department of health employees and the erie county sheriff department entered their business the response to those people get a warrant and leave their private property now in fact they were chanting. Get out. we will not comply. People are not going to take this much. Longer i will. Have you know rochester. New york portions of monroe county have been designated as orange and under the orange orange designation service. Now listen to this. Services at houses of worship would be restricted to thirty three percent capacity. You might say. Wow i mean thirty three percent i mean at least that something right or or a maximum of twenty five people and mass gatherings would be capped at ten people. You know this is. This is an and then public dining rochester. I've been there okay. With on the air in rochester. Public dining will be restricted to outdoor. Dining now people outdoor dining in rochester rochester. I think the high today in rochester was thirty four degrees. But you can go ahead and have dinner outside if you want deciding to plan a dinner outside and rochester's like planning a ski vacation in miami. You don't do it just doesn't happen. Also there's a maximum of four people were table. So if you've got a family five or more leave one of the kids at home okay. California the The public health to modify health officer order to restrict dining at restaurants breweries wineries and bars. Okay californians are defying. The governor newsome's curfew order right. Now they're they have been flooding the streets and sixteen cities defying his curfew. Where are we living people. where are we living. And then of course you have are crazy governor wolf who has decided that for some reason we need to to to stop and suspend all alcohol sales from five pm wednesday night until eight. Am in the morning. He said He said this is one night beyond but it's needed needed for what. Let me tell you something. I i told you before. That is when. I intend to start drinking. And thing to do is know he talks about how for the collective good the word collective notice it it is our collective responsibility. He said to protect communities for the collective good speaking of collective good doshisha from pennsylvania. Someone i know well what a lovely lady ran for congress and she knows what. It's like to live under socialism. She knows what it's like to live under communism doshisha. Thank you for calling into the show today. you've got a story to tell. Hello my beautiful rose. Hello my beautiful great talking with you you know. I am so disgusted with what is going on I was talking to a young man today. He's twenty three. Who's conservative and we were talking about. Socialism and we already surpassed socialism this is communism this government getting into every aspect of our life. And telling us what we can and cannot do. We cannot sing at our You know things giving dinner. We cannot talk loudly. we can't play music. We can't have alcohol. I mean when you're getting together with family that's when you drink alcohol. I mean let's just call a spade a spade. Well sometimes it depends on the family. You drink even more. I mean like is a necessity right okay. So it's just you know now. They're getting into our houses and telling us what we can and cannot do in telling our neighbors to actually spy on your neighbor and i've they are defining to you know to call the police and to have the police come and a big on so let me understand this. You can burn. Somebody's business down. Anyway we can break in and rob it but you have seven people at your house for thanksgiving dinner. They going gonna come in a rescue. I mean we are real pretty soon. They're going to start building building gulags in sending us a way for things that they just don't like and don't agree with. i mean. look at this election. Look at what they managed to do. This was an election out of communist russia. Yes what i scape from. They decided on a candidate and they fixed it. According to how it's going to shake out as long as he wends. I mean we to start. Fighting americans need to start coming together and we need to start fighting and we need to start telling these idiots de this is not how a free country is run. You know as you heard me speak before you know. Our ancestors my family Bus myself we gave up everything to come to the beautiful country. The land of opportunity the land of freedom the land of liberty and they managed in eight and a half months to completely rob us of everything that this country was built on. They managed to completely trash our constitution. And if we don't fight now than you know what the going to turn into a communist country because these governors and these These politicians are not going to give up their power that lightly. They're going to continue to reach and reach until they're gonna break you and you know we're going to become a communist country. We're going to become the next one as well. You know what it is you speak of you. Do i really already doshisha. I am having a difficult time recognizing my country. I am really struggling right now to recognize my country. My country is a free republic. My country is a land for the free My country where liberty comes first we're freedom is celebrated it the spirit of this country freedom liberty. That's what we're all about. That's what this election is all about this. The fried is all about. That is what they want to steal from us. And you're right. We can't allow that to happen us. And this is why iran. Because i can't sit here and have these people talking heads telling me what they're going to do and do comp- and do complete opposite. We need electing people who can who are like one of us who understand what it's like to have a business and to have to cash out your entire bank accounts or now you're you're you don't even know how to put food on your table because you've spent an everything to keep your employees. You know paid and you know we need to have normal people who can understand this stuff not career politicians who've been in there for decades and decades and have done absolutely nothing so you know my my runs not over Gonna be twenty twenty two whether it's a we election or an election. We still have zero idea what it's going to be but You know what we gotta fight for our country with fighting girl. That's right and i am glad yet. You're not giving up because we need people like you. We need you so doshisha thank you. I have to take a break. They're telling me but thank you. Thanks for calling in and thanks for all that you do and hang in there girl. Do not give up. We'll be back with more. The sean hannity show coming up after this. Check me out on facebook during the break. Rose unplugged on twitter at rose. Underscore unplugged the sean hannity show. I'll take a few more of your phone calls. It's been so much fun. Don't forget to facebook like me and follow me. It's rose unplugged on twitter. It's at rose. underscore plugged. Let me take steven from pittsburgh. Actually hey steven. How's it going. Are you there stephen. I'm trying to raise for. Hey steven how are you. I'm sorry from jim from pittsburgh. Okay all right. Do i have the right one back to the war room. Oh okay yeah yeah. Yeah yeah. I got three things. I want to tell you real quick right. This don rose. Roy then beat this. It's it's spelled b. e. n. a. The i d ez. He's dead now and they should make a movie you to spend. He is a man's man. I want to tell you. I listened to his message and i couldn't believe it but i'm not gonna tell you anymore. You all right. Listen now you need to. Because i feel terrible here. I was supposed to grab someone i was waiting. We longer hold on one second. Jim let me let me get to them. First and then i'll get back to you And before. I even do that before i even do that. I wanted to talk a little bit about governors mayors and other officials apocrypha. Because that's been going on. And and and people are getting tired of it and may conceive through all of this. I was reading something that was written by daniel greenfield. He was talking about how winters upon us and they're only two possible explanations. Why so many governors repeatedly violate the rules that they tell us Mean the difference between life and death so he says daniel greenfeld says even if they're suicidal or they're lying to so here's some examples A week before issuing a statewide mask mandate and a few weeks after trying to ban. Thanksgiving governor newsom attended a dinner party. Maskless for a lobbyist. Okay covid nineteen has not gone away. He said to everyone else. Take the new case rate. Seriously we can't let our guard down. You've got to wear a mask. You've gotta limit mixing with those you don't live with and physically distance yourself while he after after. He says that there's a photograph of him at a dinner party. Twenty two people. No social distancing no mask wearing no precautions and And the people that were at this dinner party one of them was. Cna part of the cma all wanted to leave you with this. Let us be sure those who come after us will say of that in our time. We did everything that could be done. We finish the race. We kept them free. We kept the faith. That's ronald reagan third state of the union address. That's what we need to do. Keep the faith people because we want to finish the race by keeping them free so loving spending time with you. Happy thanksgiving to everybody.

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Race and Immigration in Trump's America

Words Matter

53:08 min | 1 year ago

Race and Immigration in Trump's America

"Welcome to words matter with Katie Barlow and Joe Lockhart welcome to words matter. I'm Katie Barlow. Our the goal is to promote objective reality as a wise man once said everyone is entitled to their own opinion not their own facts words have power and words have consequences Joe and I are pleased he's to welcome our first guest to the show Eugene Scott covers identity politics for the Washington Post. He joined the post from C._N._N.. Politics where he covered the two thousand sixteen presidential election and was the senior reporter on the websites breaking news team. He's a regular on air contributor providing analysis on M._S._N._B._C. C._N._N.. C._B._S. N._p._R.. Eugene is a graduate of the University of North Carolina Chapel Hill and Harvard's Kennedy School of Government Minute Eugene Scott Welcome towards matter. Thank you so much for having me he eugene <hes> I guess is it's been a pretty busy time for you. As the identity politics correspondent for the Washington Post one of the things we hear a lot about Donald Trump when when he speaks her tweets is people say they're shocked but not surprised so answer both of those questions for me if you can were you shocked by the tweet that started all this and what's come out sense and we surprised surprised by it well. I certainly would not surprise but I was a bit shot and one of the reasons I was shocked. It's because there's so much coming out of this administration in their area of identity politics that it is difficult to keep up with everything that is happening. Most people don't realize that this is not the first time president trump has told someone to leave the country if he did not agree with their politics or better yet if they did not agree with his in two thousand eighteen eighteen he suggested that Colin Kaepernick leave America <hes> Colin Kaepernick as we know is the former San Francisco Forty niner football player who would kneel during the national anthem to protest racism and police violence <hes> something the president found deeply deeply disrespect for them problematic and so I was shocked because I initially thought wow this is the next chapter of a world view that the president has consistently espoused but then when I looked back at some some owed pieces I've written I've caught it. He had gone in this area previously so I know you've looked a little bit over the last few months at kind of the the Ark of the Republican Party and race going going back to George Wallace Lester Maddox to Richard Nixon to Donald Trump. I think Lee atwater it's pointed best when he talked about how the Republicans believed that speaking in dog whistles rather than directly worked much better for them but still racism and race baiting was part of the message I let's play that clip and then we can talk about it and before we play this clip. We want our listeners to know that it contain several uses of a graphic racial slur. We decided to play it because we thought it was important to give you the full context of the words that were used. Here's a as a as a statistician look. I know it's a psychologist which I'm not is is how abstract you handle wasteland. Oh would you start out. You're now. You're you start at nineteen before by saying Nigger Nigger nigger my nineteen sixty H._p.. Saying that hurts you back by so you say stuff like a fourth person states lights and all that stuff and you get it so extract now you're talking about cutting cutting taxes and all of these things you're talking about a totally economic things in the byproduct of May last get hurt worse one and subconsciously. Maybe that is for but I'm not saying but I'm saying that if it is getting that abstract act that coded <hes> that that we were doing away with the racial problem one way or the other you because obviously sitting around saying <hes> we want to cut taxes we want to cut this one is much more abstract than than even the bussing thing and hello abstracted so anyway look at it races come on back. Do you see this as a brand new chapter where now now the president rather than third parties and rather than you know. Speaking in code is speaking directly and using very graphic language to send the message that it's it's US versus them. It's white people versus the others. Is this something new. Is that something that was always there and he's just found a new way to articulate it. It is a new chapter and it's a continuation of strategy that we know has been effective in the past and previously implemented but we certainly are in a time where we're not hearing dog whistles anymore. It's been said that the president speaking through a bullhorn and when confronted earlier this week about whether or not he wanted to back away away from this statement because of how popular it was with white nationalist. He said he did not in part because many people agreed with him. This is not something we would have seen people focused on turning out white working class voters in decades pass would have Bohley said because they would have been aware of just how expensive it was to associate so closely with Neo Nazis and white nationalist but we know that the president is very aware of his base. He knows what he campaigned on that was effective in winsome and he's made it clear that he wants to continue doing what he did. Has the country changed has trump change the country. I mean that's what's the chicken and egg on this one. I certainly do not credit the president with the current political climate. I think the world views that exists existed before June twenty fifteen. I think the president was aware of what many people who he communicated with regularly on on Fox News and social media were already feeling and he tapped into that in a way that other candidates could not but I think we over a state his contribution to the political climate when we credit him perhaps he has is put a label on it and allowed US identifying in ways that we had not before but I like to think that trump is I'm began before the president in the Oval Office in will exists after he leaves. Do you think that it exists in part and existed in part art as a reaction to or response to electing Barack Obama as president or do you think that's just part of the baked in narrative that we always had this part of our culture in this part of American society that just didn't get to come out in the sunlight as often or was that impart reactionary to the previous president so I think it's a bit of both these ideas as we communicate earlier aren't new ideas. That's why you see people like David Duke who's been politics and in white supremacy circles for decades. Save this guy. This president is saying the things we've been saying for years but there's no doubt that the popularity of trump is a reaction to Obama and the first black president but also everything they've met and so I think a previous question was asking if the country it changed one of the things I go back very often. It's the number of a trump supporters that say they backed him because of their own cultural anxieties about the direction in which the the country was going that doesn't just mean having people of color like the president in high positions of leadership and influence in the culture but also the the demographics looking different. I mean there are communities that have large Latino populations relations that have like no Latinos thirty years ago and that's been very difficult for some Americans. The progress according to the left on issues related to gender and sexuality have been quite difficult for a lot of traditionalist us more women in positions of power and influence in the metoo movement calling behavior and words unacceptable that have been common in workplace environments for decades L._G._B._T.. Issues becoming core platform issues on the left and. And even conservatives speaking out about the importance of giving gay Americans more rights there are a lot of Americans who just feel like this is moved very quickly and in ways that make them uncomfortable and either want to see things slow down in that as they move in that direction or or go backwards and go back meaning again making America great again the idea that America was great before these things were in place. You wrote about something last week that some may have missed with everything else that was going on congressman. Mike Kelly a white Republican from Pennsylvania told Vice News that he is a person of color and here's what he said quote you know they talk about about people of Color. I'm a person of color. I'm white. I'm Anglo Saxon. People say things all the time but I don't get offended with a name like Mike Kelly. You can't be from any place but Ireland Eugene. How do you explain the term people people of Color to congressman Kelly and others like him who just don't seem to get it? Yeah I mean so I don't know representative Kelly. I don't know if he actually knows what it means or even cares but what what I do know is that that statement I don't think was Israeli about the exclusivity of the term people of color but just really trying to respond to people of Color and other marginalized communities about what he perceives as them being overly sensitive and getting round up about things that that he thinks they should not but if he's open to the conversation I would explain that the the phrase people have colored became popular in the Nineteen Seventies. Although we know that it has been used since at least the mid nineteenth century to refer for two people of color usually people who were neither black or white but mixed race people during slavery in the years following but in the nineteen seventies people of color really took on more popularity for a few reasons up until that point the most common I'm in way to identify people of Color West minorities or a non white people in the recent trouble. Some for some people is because both of those phrases are a reaction to whiteness and are centered centered whiteness the ideas what you are is that you're not white it was also concerning for people because they weren't always accurate so let's take Washington D._C.. For example <hes> there were years in the nineteen seventies where Washington D._C.. was seventy percent black and so to call a group that seventy percent of the population that minority mathematically is just inaccurate network for the chocolate city doesn't right and so and that that people were really frustrated about that and it's not even a rejection of whiteness it wasn't about whiteness being wrong as much as they're making room for just the diversity of communities and how to be able to identify them in ways that were accurate but I am a bit sensitive at best nice to people who do struggle with the appropriate terminology of groups be they people of color or members of the L._G._B._T.. Community because the truth is we do identify people in ways now that perhaps we and like twenty years ago once upon a time like the word colored and Negro were acceptable that are no longer acceptable and then you have words like queer which were unacceptable but now they are acceptable and so keeping up with how groups when identify is not easy but when you really do care to represent the interests of your constituents that's the least of your concerns and I think his statement with all due respect. What's a bit disingenuous? I would not assume if I saw the name Mike Kelly sitting on a piece of paper. It was an Irish immigrant or the a descendant of Irish immigrants <hes> and I don't think most people would but I do think that at best and I feel like maybe being a bit charitable where representative Kelly Kelly may have been tapping into is the fact that Irish immigrants once upon a time did find themselves offs on the receiving end of criticism not that different from what we hear now directed towards Latinos we definitely saw the Irish emigrants were accused of being you know subversive or taking all of the jobs that being a part of your narrative using that as excuse to dismiss the concerns of other demographic groups is a bit odd. You would think that one would tap into their own experience and say I know where you're coming from considering that. Perhaps my grandparents went through the same thing. Do you think he just you set it to perhaps encourage or give a wink to president trump to continue with the racist attacks. I definitely think he wanted to make it clear to president trump that he was not disavowing the president's words or pushing back or criticizing him which is something we've seen multiple Republicans do for a very important reason the republican electorates with President Trump. They've made that very clear and to criticize the president in a way that irks him is to put your your seat in jeopardy also last week you wrote about the history and the use of the phrase quote go back to where you came from and how it's been applied to black Americans in particular and here's what you wrote quote a big part of the reason for the immense backlash to President Trump's weekend tweets telling four democratic congresswoman to quote go back to where they came from is that phrases well-worn use in racist. I end xenophobic ways to talk about the history of the phrase a little bit and how it has engendered racist policies. Yeah we saw go back use this week towards Americans who are of Asian descent and Latin American countries in <hes> African countries but it really picked picked up steam here in the states as the abolitionist movement was becoming increasingly effective in moving towards the end of slavery and so you had organizations usually led by White Americans who found bounce slavery to be troublesome but did not want black people who were enslaved to have the same rights and privileges as white Americans and so they were trying to figure out what do you do when slavery ends and and you have these communities that are predominantly consisted of black people but white people still want to maintain power some individuals including people of faith including people who thought of themselves as more progressive on issues. I thought the best solution was for these black people to go back to Africa or the Caribbean or South America but anywhere that made it less likely that they would dismantle the structures that had been put in place in the United States and so that was like the first time we really saw go back really surface but repeatedly throughout history since then it's resurfaced whenever black people began to complain and protest and attempt to dismantle white supremacy eugene covering identity politics for the Washington Post. I'm sure you and your editors have had to wrestle with how to deal with racism defining it and how and when do you call someone a racist. Can you talk a little bit about that. Absolutely we had our top editor Marty Baron right about how we decided to identify trump's tweets as races and it's a very detailed approach. I believe helping people understand why we thought it was important to do that and and and it is in part because of the go back sentiments really are rooted in the desire to discriminate innate against people of Color. I was working on a piece just today with my editor that I did not finish about one of the reasons I believe the Republican Party is having a hard time getting on the same page and how it responds it's too trump is in part because so many people have different ideas about what racism is and is not there are individuals who think something it's only racist when it hits extreme levels when someone uses the N. Word or someone one is lynched and there are other individuals who believe that racism is is simply having a prejudice and <hes> preference regarding one ethnicity over others and there are other people who also believe that racism is rooted at least in America and a contract that just sensors whiteness right and so you can't talk about racism in America without talking about white supremacy and so getting people on the same page about racism is very difficult. And it's increasingly difficult when you move and spaces where it just simply even acknowledging raising talking about race is viewed as difficult and negative and something to be avoided so a new saw the rally in Greenville last week and Dan saw a sea of white faces chanting sent her back are those people racists. I would think that most of them are and it wasn't because of the send them back. I would think that most of the individuals saying that these lawmakers need to go back Hoda view that says America is at its greatest when people are embracing a hierarchy that is rooted and the values and politics of the pass and not moving towards the diversity of what these lawmakers are hoping to build. I may have known some folks there I know or or maybe I knew no one there. That's it's a harder. That's a hard question to answer. After hearing you know just one phrase but I think the easier question for me would be to ask them. Why should I not think you are racist after chanting that back after those tweets for and supporting this administration given its policies since they want and let me stay on this for one more hard question and give it back to Katie are one hundred ninety seven Republicans whose refused refused to condemn the sentiments in the tweet? Are they racist or they racist enablers. They're definitely trump enablers and that is what we know for sure <hes> these are lawmakers who some of whom went it's public with their disdain for the president's comments but chose not to actually go on the record as condemning him in part because they fear him and he's been proven to be effective in responding responding harshly to those in his party who criticize them and so these lawmakers do enable the president to continue to behave and speak and act in the way that he thinks his best. I'M GONNA lead off with a quote from American novelist less Toni Morrison and follow up with with something else. I saw this week to couch. This question that I'm going to ask Tony Morrison said quote the function. The very serious function of Racism is distraction. It keeps you from doing your work and Bakari sellers the he's on C._N._N.. Also the the South Carolina state legislature this week said let's not get bogged down on the fact that the president is in fact racist. That's too simplistic. Let's focus on systems of oppression in this country. Racism is pervasive so the question is this when these comments come out when President Trump tweets racist comments and we already have a lot of evidence on the table to indicate that he is in fact racists. It's news was that he tweets it but in it is your job to cover it and it is the the squad's job the congresswoman's job to put their head down and keep doing the work of the people that they represent but for the rest of us in the middle. How do we grapple with this this when it happens is it to engage with it to talk about it to call it out or is it to not let that be a distraction? Call it what it is a distraction and move on because we already have enough evidence that this is a racist president and and we don't need to know any more than that what's next. What's our role there for all of us in between it's really difficult? I mean it always depends on what else is happening. What issues are connected to the incident that led that conversation in that moment to begin so one thing Republicans who've been critical of the president have said is explain why these lawmakers world views and policies are troublesome and don't tell them to just get out explain explain to your base why you think they are harmful focused on the policy focus on the issues? The squad has really in this past week really tried to stay in front of the cameras explaining the things that they believe will make America great and thinks that the president is pushing back on and so there really is a way to talk about both and racism has to be spoken about especially when it's coming from positions of power and privilege in the government they shouldn't be ignored. His tweet should not be ignored their official White House statements and we have to find a way to talk about all of it in a way that leaves readers and consumers as informed as possible about what is going on Eugene. I guess one last big question and and it's hard to answer with any certainty but it's a two parter. What's the possibility that this works that the way the country is the dividing the country in half will lead to trump's reelection and if that happens where does the conversation about race in this country go to well? I think there's a good chance that the president will be reelected anyone covering the Democratic Party or at least I should say the left knows that the left ideologically is far more diverse than the right is the right is largely behind. Donald Trump never trumpers and Republicans who do not support the president art are not a large enough number number two have any significant shaping impact on their side this whole thing started because of disagreements on the left between Nancy Pelosi Establishment and the Progressive Base and so the spectrum Ron's far more broadly than we even talk talk about it just within the Democratic Party not even mentioned outside of the Democratic Party folks like Bernie Sanders and so I believe that diversity could be so split up so divided that it's that the left will not rally behind nine a candidate enough and twenty twenty two defeat trump <hes> we know that the states that trump needed to win in two thousand Sixteen Michigan Pennsylvania and Wisconsin have large percentages white working class voters and so the the left putting for a candidate that can encourage its base to turn out and nip away at some of the independent voters and maybe even some of the voters that self identifies Republican is quite a feat and so it's not impossible but I don't think anyone looking at the current political climate would look at this race and conclude that trump doesn't have a shot. I has a very good shot and if trump continues to be trump which he is most likely to do there is not going to be a pivot. I think most people understand that at this moment then conversations about race will continue and move forward in those of us who write about it because we see how it affects business and culture and faith in sports and entertainment will be very busy but it will probably be very busy even if trump loses because this president has has greatly reshaped this country in terms of how we talk about identity think about identity and and view it and I speak with voters on a regular basis who who find themselves thinking about the diversity of this country and how that shapes policy making in politics in ways that they had not before and that's not necessarily negative. That's just to become aware of the fact at this country has three hundred million people in and passing policies and laws and ideas the benefit all of them or as many of them as possible is very very difficult. Let me finish with one last question Russian Eugene. Is there any silver lining in this. Is there any silver lining in the fact that the dog whistle is gone. We now have a president who's willing to come out and speak as a racist openly brazenly. Can we look at that and say this is a moment where just by the sheer audacity and immorality of Donald Trump that this has surfaced an issue that we now can no longer ignore I entered enter the mainstream media at least re entered after Grad school after studying a public policy and so I'm a policy nerd and I like to talk about you know these white papers and how we can put forward things that make improve who've that may improve a community and one of the things I've been enjoying so far with this campaign. which is what happens when you have five thousand people running for president? It's that so many people are putting out plans and ideas about how to fix tissues and many of the issues that people are talking about are so rooted in discrimination and so one of the one of the great examples is we had way more conversation in two thousand sixteen about income inequality will you can't talk about. The wealth gap between black people and white people or that's you know people in White people without talking about racism. You can't talk about unequal pay with between women and men you can't talk about the absence of access to health care gaps APPs wise in rural communities versus more suburban affluent communities without talking about race and so on nightly news I mean we're seeing experts. Come in from academia and think tanks that are really discussing topics topics at a depth that I don't think we had before previously and I think the the move towards finding solutions to some of these problems. It's more likely where we currently are just because everything is so out front and on the table and I think that's good well. We appreciate you coming on and sharing all that with us again where we know you're busy and it's it's GonNa get even busier given the fact that this is going to be a central part of the trump campaign and that is heating up right in front of our eyes. Thank you so much for having me. Thanks Gene Joe and I are pleased to welcome our next <unk> guest Molly O'Toole. Molly is an immigration reporter for the Los Angeles Times based here in Washington D._C.. Previously she was a senior reporter. At foreign policy covering the two thousand sixteen election and trump administration molly has covered immigration and security from Mexico Central America West Africa the Middle East the Gulf and South Asia Molly O'Toole welcome to words matter. Thanks for coming molly. There's been a lot of rhetoric around immigration building the wall Mexico paying for U._S.. Policy each side pointing fingers at the other in the midst of that the administration seems to have made a very important decision on changing our asylum policy and they did it in a somewhat unique way can can you talk for a minute about what they did and what it means for people trying to reach this country last week the trump administration took a really significant step probably the most aggressive step they've taken so far to essentially dismantle the U._S.. Asylum system and they did so by publishing a rule in the Federal Register on Monday that took effect on Tuesday and it essentially says that any migrant that arrives arrives at the United States who has transited at least one country prior to arriving at the southern land border of the United States is no longer eligible to apply for asylum in the United States and that basically clean wipes out any asylum claim at the southern border because most migrants have to travel through at least one country in order to get there except for Mexican residents and so basically wipes out everyone else and it's the it's really quite it's significant that they're doing this and they're already. We should note that there already is a lawsuit from the A._C._l._U. and several other groups to challenge it because at least on its face in several ways directly contradicts U._S. Asylum Law U._S. Immigration Law Yeah that took twenty four hours for them to file I think in the northern district of California right at least one there right so they filed in San Francisco and obviously the president has made clear his own displeasure with the with the courts out West because they have blocked several of his immigration policies. Let's see so far and it's expected potentially that they could do so again. They did take twenty four hours to file. I think they were also waiting for the policy to actually go into effect right so the rule was published on Monday. A Federal Register took effect act on Tuesday last Tuesday so this means that people come from Guatemala Honduras El Salvador in some ways the bulk of the people coming to the southern border. Now we'll be denied the ability to apply hi for political asylum and may have an impact on people coming from other countries also right right it it certainly <hes> the way a lot of the coverage was framed as that this was directed towards Central Americans. It's not it's actually directed toward anyone while Al Central Americans account for the majority particularly Central American families and unaccompanied minors account for the majority of arrivals at the southern border right now and have for some time they're actually people coming from all over the world <unk> who are using the essentially not only Central America but also South America basically as a Land Bridge to get to the U._S.. Mexico border where they can claim asylum so I was recently doing reporting in South Texas and in northern Mexico and meeting people in an impromptu refugee camp in this small Mexican city and people from Cameroon people from Angola people from the Democratic Republic of Congo a lot of Haitians a lot of Cubans Cubans so people from all over the world and this policy is not ex-. It's not explicit. It's not specific to Central Americans. It's really anyone who's transit another country. I should note they're very narrow exceptions in the rule but they're so narrow as to basically be negligible one which is it's almost comical how impossible it is. There's an exception if you transit directly from a handful of countries around the world who are not signatories to the conventions against torture conventions on refugees so if somehow managed to come directly from North Korea Myanmar then potentially be eligible for asylum the United States obviously that itinerary doesn't even exist so some of these exceptions that have been carved out in this rule are basically next to impossible and do you have a theory theory about giving it the the import of this why this hasn't gotten the attention that rhetoric like build the wall or send them back or things like that well. I think it was it was approached in a different way. Play was published quietly in the Federal Register last Monday and that something probably that a lot of the American public aren't even familiar with and so sort of done as an administrative rule after the fact we have the Department of Homeland Security and the Department of Justice who put out a joint statement but there wasn't any big press conference about it. The president didn't announce it in advance in fact he's hardly addressed it this week. He sort of address it obliquely in some remarks in a cabinet meeting and when you look at the published published rule so they were sort of it's it's a little wonky and if you look at the language that the government uses in the rule it's really interesting. They said part of the reason they didn't do a sort of public comment period which is generally required with a when a rule is published in the Federal Register is because they didn't want to give the Central American countries and Mexico heads up because they thought efforts would be taken to block it and they also talked about how they're basically using this as leverage in the ongoing negotiations she ations to try and force Mexico and then countries further south particularly Guatemala to agree to what's known as safe third country agreement by which if any migrant pass through their country before attempting to claim asylum in the United States dates they'd be ineligible because that country would be considered quote unquote safe but what this new rule does it effectively says that the entire world is a safe third country without the rest of the world having agreed but I thought it was really interesting the language if you actually read the rule that the administration us they seem to be acknowledging that they almost expected it to be struck down but they were using it as a leverage point in these ongoing ago negotiation sort of failing to get Guatemala Kamala to agree or Mexico to agree to safe third country agreement. This is what they were then going to be using in the meantime right there effectively by bypassing this this noticing comment period this period that would allow the public to generally comment on the rule which is required under the law they are yes carving out all of those countries that would be able to comment or try and get around the rule but they're also not allowing the American public who has a right to comment on these rules before they become public to engage in this process of making the rule of final on their cutting off the ability of anyone in the American public to be able to participate in this rulemaking process but it's not the first time the trump administration has bypassed this notice and comment period this period that allows input from the various constituencies that at our engaged in that have equities in the decisions that they're making related to asylum so we could talk all day about asylum. We want to ask you about a few more things before we let you go notably your reporting in some other areas including the ice rates that. I have been a hot topic for the past week. Ice Rates were supposed to take place in approximately tenuous cities weekend before last over the weekend and I want to quote from your reporting on this issue the on again off again raids favored by the White House and some of the president's most hard-line AIDS are also deepening fissures within his already embattled department of Homeland Security so what actually happened with the raids and is this part of a larger battle within the trump administration on immigration immigration. Absolutely I think we should read it this way. So obviously this is the second time in which the president acknowledged or announced that there were going to be the sort of mass raids and there was a differing reporting about how big they would be eh this time <hes> they were talking about targeting two thousand Central American families mostly recent arrivals who they said had final orders of removal and basically hadn't shown up for court hearings. There's some dispute about actually that in and of itself there's been issues with essentially final orders removal being issued without the person ever having known about their court appearance and so there's been some challenges with that but we the first time the president announced bounce the raids and then essentially immigration and customs enforcement had to pull back because they said well they're they're agents were endanger and essentially that the operation was undermined. The president announced it himself but there was a feeling lying within ice and there was some anonymous comments came from the administration that Somehow Acting Homeland Security Secretary Kevin macalinsan had given out certain operational details to some reporters and that was the real reason that the rates were called off the first time so then we have this second go around the president did also confirmed it was going to happen. The New York Times reported that it was going to happen now. It should be noted that ice officials were really reticent to comment on this. They said we're not going to essentially they weren't going to undermine fine the operation by giving out the details because in theory if you actually wanted to conduct raids and remove people from the country you would do it quietly. You wouldn't want to give them any notice so that people knew that they were going to becoming essentially so this is twice now where it's been publicized in some way and then they sort of pulled back again now ice does sort of do their ongoing raids on a smaller scale so part of it is okay. What is this big operation that the administration in his highlighting and what is normal business? What is a political spin to make it look like the trump administration is really cracking down on people who are inside the country with orders of removal or who are here illegally and what is just sort of normal operations transfer is so there's a lot of that going on but I think the important thing to look at now twice at this has happened? Is it really does reveal tensions within the Department of Homeland Security Department of Homeland Security. Has I think it's about a dozen vacancies in top leadership posts acting in front of almost every title that comes up almost no one is Senate confirmed at this point the purge quote unquote purge that sort of started with the ouster of Kirstin Nielsen and that came shortly on the heels of of the man who the trump administration had actually formally nominated to lead ice. They withdrew his nomination at the last minute the next day Nielsen the former Homeland Security Secretary who was confirmed she resigns this perch really has been in continuing and it has revealed tensions within the Department of Homeland Security and so now there's tensions with Mac lean and his the acting homeland security secretary and with Mark Morgan who has moved over from the acting head of ice and was a really strong advocate of these raids the quote unquote family up what they were calling it and he's now moved over to be the head of customs and Border Protection which is the parent agency of Border Patrol so there's a lot of tension within D._H._A.. Is that tension with India. H S BETWEEN D H S in the White House or within the White House or all of the above all of the above okay. There seems to be a lot of disagreement because there's there's I mean the the heart of the matter is that there's ongoing frustration within the trump administration that they essentially the president campaigned on reducing immigration immigration and stepping up enforcement and while the first year of the trump administration of fiscal year two thousand seventeen which part of it is the Obama White House it was fifty year lows in terms of apprehensions at the border which is the best measure we use for illegal immigration fifty year lows their first year and then it steadily started creeping up again and there's still continued frustration within the White House that no matter how aggressive the steps they've taken to reduce immigration both legal and illegal they haven't been able all to turn back that trend they haven't been able to reduce that number. We now have one month in June in which there was a decrease but they're still frustration within the White House that essentially no matter how hard line AH policy they try and implement they haven't actually succeeded in deterring that migration Maui. Isn't it possible that much if not all of this is is just political I look at the ice rates and I see that the president didn't have that much interest in ice rates. He wanted to look tough but he also wanted to scare the hell out of a lot of people who are here that are undocumented and those people who went into hiding last weekend. They don't really care whether the rates were real or not. They were afraid and so a lot of people have said that when it comes to trump cruelty is the point you put people in cages so that more people won't come again that Stephen Miller is upset that one more person came into this country but isn't a lot of this if not all driven by politics politics I think much of it is with the ice rates as you rightly noted and think it almost doesn't matter whether it does matter. I don't mean to suggest it doesn't matter especially to people's you know it does matter to people's lives but we try and look at it from a political analysis standpoint almost doesn't matter whether they go forward or not part of the intention is the fear that's created is the appearance of doing something of being aggressive and it doesn't actually matter whether the ice rates take place or not but one the interesting effects of these on again off again ice rates especially after last weekend is it seems one of the biggest takeaways is that people now have more clarity about their rights. There's been some reporting that they could be routine. Ice Enforcement Zeman actions that have taken place over the last couple of days and people have an open their doors because it was widely publicized that you don't have to open your door to an ice agent unless they have a warrant that signed by judge so while the trump administration I do believe there's a political political intent was sort of creating this fear and this appearance of action whether or not the action actually happens it could have backfired in another way which is to make people more aware of their rights but I think the connection that you made we can also connect it with the new asylum rule and these on again off again rates. There almost seems to be the expectation that the new asylum rule isn't going to stand but it still a win that can be pulled out by the trump administration if it does get blocked by the courts or if the ice rates don't I don't in fact happen molly based on your reporting down at the border and the and your colleagues I'd love to get your thoughts on the conditions down there vice president pence was there now with a while ago and he came came out and said it was akin to summer camp. There are others that call them concentration camps. I'm interested in what you believe about the conditions and then secondly how much of this is intentional cruelty. How much of this is an administration? That just doesn't know what the Hell it's doing. It can't manage something this complicated I wished I had the answer between the degree to which it's intentional cruelty and simply administrative dysfunction we talked about all all of the vacancies at the Department of Homeland Security the tensions within Homeland Security Agency to agency within the leadership between the White House and Homeland Security so there certainly is evidence of bureaucratic dysfunction and that absolutely contributes to so they're flailing response to the situation at the border. I also think that the president in his rhetoric his top aides and his top officials they've been explicit in that a lot of these policies are intended to who deter and so there is an element of intentional cruelty there what's really interesting about the revelations about con detention conditions and we're talking about a few different areas. We're talking about detention conditions. Editions at Border Patrol facilities that are never meant to hold people. They're supposed to be sort of just temporary processing facilities the most immediate place people might go. We're talking at the border. We're talking about customs and Border Protection facilities which are also supposed to be temporary holding finding facilities but they're for little sort of longer term processing and then we have immigration and customs enforcement facilities and those are longer term detention that would happen before a person is removed within the United States and then we're talking about health human services and they're the ones charged with taking care of unaccompanied minors so all these things have been conflicted but together they they should be seen as a I think symptomatic of really terrible conditions across all the agencies across the border and Homeland Security the trump administration and homeland security officials have sort of pushed back and said that these claims about terrible conditions are unsubstantiated and that has not been what we have found in our reporting the Homeland Security Department also before some of this came out basically offered no access to these detention facilities ones that they were in charge of but H._H._S. also doesn't offer much access to the detention facility so the most of the reporting that we got were from people who came out of them and we're describing things like not being given any access to showers not being given access to enough water basically being fed cookies three times a day or meals that were not nutritional and very small and so always being hungry the term that's been used for a long time is Allegra for some of the detention facilities which means icebox in Spanish so describing being very cold only being given a space blanket they have described these conditions and this was sort of the best we could do but then once all of the reporting comes out then see B._p.. Gives access to these detention facilities these choreographed tours and said see look everything is fine even though they weren't offering access to those facilities before so the pushback from Homeland Security and from the administration that these descriptions of really horrible conditions not just for migrant children for migrants in general at the border that doesn't follow with our reporting it doesn't follow with with the government's own reporting Inspector General Accountability Office with court appointed lawyers and doctors who have gone into these facilities and there's also been an interesting rhetorical turn Kevin McLean in acting homeland security secretary is basically saying saying we warned you. We've been asking for money for a year now and we warned you how bad things were getting and how overstretched we were but congress. You wouldn't give us the money and so this is your this is essentially your fault which I think is a very interesting getting rhetorical. Turn also especially because now they have passed the humanitarian bill which is four point six billion dollars. It doesn't answer for all the various ways in which we know that the Department of Homeland Security is not spending. The money already has efficiently patiently. This is not just a matter of O._C.. B._P. was trying its best with a difficult situation. No there are laws about how migrants should be held and those laws were broken doesn't matter if you're in a difficult situation or not that's not some kind of legal exception and so it'll be interesting to see what kind of accountability there will be. If any for those conditions that we've reported on and others have reported on regardless of whether homeland security officials in the White House wants to either claim it's unsubstantiated or that somehow the fault of the Congress. I would imagine that if you're you're cold you're hungry. You have no place to sleep and you haven't showered in a month. It doesn't matter whether it's intentional cruelty or bureaucratic screw ups. It's shameful Holden's happening in this country Maui. Thanks for joining us. We learned a lot here yeah. We'll certainly invite you back. Once we get to the accountability phase of this conversation and we look forward to it. Thank you for joining us. Thanks for having me all right Joe so for what's on your mind this week. I want to go back to your famous. Now maybe infamous op Ed to impeach or not to impeach in the great debate with Felipe here and on their podcasts unredacted. Are you still toeing the line on do not impeach is getting harder. Trump makes it harder and bill bar makes it harder and the brazenness of defying congressional authority it makes it harder but you know my bottom line in that piece was that I think that Donald Trump is destroying the Republican party and this past week is a prime example of that. He has taking the party to a place where he's now espousing his own racism as the party's racism and there are only four members of his party in Congress who are willing to stand up to him and I think in the long run rather than then go through an impeachment process that will get blocked in the Senate. The country will be in a better place a more progressive place as the Republican Party collapses unto itself because you know as I argued in the piece the things that Republicans have been known for Free Trade that brings economic expansion here at home and creates jobs being tough on communism and dictators particularly in Russia. All those things are gone. They all of the foundations of the the Republican Party are gone except for one and that's you know what I politely call intolerance. That's the racism xenophobia the homophobia and that's what trump has left for the party when he's gone you you you can be certain that some in the party might WanNa go back to some of their previous positions but the party will be leaderless and without foundation and I think in the long run that's the price here. The price here is to not only undo what trump is done to the country culturally politically at the Supreme Court is to turn the government around the priorities around to more closely match where the people are which I firmly believe or in a much more progressive place than the Republican Party can even begin to address all right and we also saw in the past week that the southern district of New York concluded the campaign finance finance investigation involving Michael Cohen and the trump organization and individual one who we all know is president trump. What do you make of no further charges and how that investigation wrapped up? I think it's really curious. I think there was a lot of informed speculation from people who used to work in the southern district of New York whose legal expertise is unparalleled that there would be more action on that case we we know from the indictment of Michael Cohen that individual one now the government officially recognizes as the president of the United States is in all intents and purposes and Unindicted Co conspirator we know from the documents that were released in the middle of last week that the president was intimately involved in the transactions in the plotting to silence stormy Daniels and MS McDougal but it's it is does stretch credibility. I think that other people in the organization this the C._F._O.. For example and other people in the trump organization were also not involved so I don't think we know the end of this story yet and I think a big question and we may not be able to I answer this until this president has gone is the role of Bill Bar. He is clearly serving first as the president's personal defense attorney and second as the Attorney General and I think it will be very important and get his role defined and whether he used his position as attorney general as the head of the southern district of New York and all of the other districts to terminate this investigation because I think that raises multiple troubling doing questions the final question I have is it is it's clear from the more investigation and they conversation around that that D._O._J.. Does not think a president can be indicted so that's a potential reason and why president trump was not indicted in this case the evidence is clear that he was a conspirator and the question will be when there's another attorney general in January of two thousand twenty one whether the president will face charges in this campaign finance conspiracy. That's an open question and I think we'll get answers to both that question and the role of attorney general bar only after trump is out of office all right Joe Thank you. That's all we've got this week. We'll.

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"Good evening and welcome to chicago tonight. I'm peres shuts. And i'm friedman on the show. Tonight people thought that. What i said was totally appropriate. Members of congress discussed another presidential impeachment and inauguration security after the riot and storming of the capitol building the brutality. The american people watched with shock and disbelief on the sixth. Not be tolerated by the fbi. What a riot. It's at the cat. Riders of the capitol building being charged with a former federal prosecutor ways. In one on one would cook county. State's attorney kim fox's and her reaction to the rights of the capitol police reform and more in the democrat leadership in the house. Desperate last minute jockeying and springfield ahead of the vote for house speaker or live from the state capital. If you've missed your call to get on the plane you haven't missed your opportunity before. The plane takes off dr. Emily landon from chicago. Medicine on the covid. Nineteen vaccine. Rollout chicago's positivity rate in more at a chainsaw artist from chicago carves tree trunks into wildlife. First some of today's top stories. A suburban chicago man has been arrested for allegedly threatening deadly violence. At the presidential inauguration federal agents alleged. That chicago heights resident. Louis camp left a voicemail for a house member from new jersey saying that. If joe biden was inaugurated quote we will surround the expletive white house. And we will kill any expletive democrat that steps on the expert of lawn. The us attorney's office says kamprad has a history of profane voice messages for members of congress. He faces one federal felony charge of threatening to commit violence. We have more on that story on our website including his court appearance today in illinois congressman who is sheltering us capitol room with lawmakers some of whom were refusing to wear mask announces. He has covid nineteen north shore democrat. Brad schneider says he got tested at the advice of house. Attendee of the house attending physician this after being confined at a secure location with republican lawmakers. He says refused to put on a mask during the capital riots. Last week schnatter says he has yet to demonstrate any symptoms but is worried about exposing his wife and we'll have more from illinois members of congress about this and much more in just a minute. A chicago alderman under federal investigation gets slapped with a big fine from the chicago ethics board. The chicago export find thirty fourth ward alderman older woman. Carrie austin one hundred and forty five thousand dollars for accepting forty eight thousand dollars in excessive contributions from person doing business with the city that is in violation of city law. This is the second time. The ethics board has levied the maximum fine allowed for violating chicago's campaign finance law and that states that any company or individual doing business with the city is limited to a contribution of sixteen hundred dollars to anyone candidate per year according to the ordinance and illinois public health officials six thousand six hundred new cova cases in the last twenty four hours and one hundred seventeen additional deaths. The total case count is now over one million forty thousand with seventeen thousand seven hundred forty three deaths in illinois and the seven day. Statewide test positivity rate. Now is eight point six percent president. Donald trump spoke publicly for the first time since the riots on the capital. Take a look at what he had to say on the impeachment. It's really a continuation of the greatest which in the history of politics. It's ridiculous it's absolutely ridiculous. Impeachment is causing tremendous anger at. You're doing it and it's really a terrible thing that they're doing four. Nancy pelosi and chuck schumer continue on this path. I think it's causing tremendous danger to our country and it's causing tremendous anger. I want no violence here to talk about this. The second impeachment of the president and much more our congressman mike quigley a democrat representing illinois's fifth district including parts of chicago's north side and stretches west parts to parts of elmhurst congresswoman jan schakowsky a democrat representing illinois's ninth district which includes parts of chicago's side and northern suburbs. She serves in leadership as the senior chief. Deputy whip and congresswoman robin kelly. A democrat representing illinois's second district which includes parts of chicago's far south side and southern suburbs. We invited every a republican member of the congressional delegation. None accepted our invitation. We do thank you all for being back here with us congresswoman schakowsky the messaging strategy from some of the most trump friendly republicans is that an impeachment would-be divisive when the nation needs to heal. You heard the president. There is their risk of further violence and terror if impeachment goes forward greasing on the slams. The several violent groups are making to come here next week to the capital. Nothing is going to stop them. And the fact that the president said to them. I love you. You are so special. He knows exactly what he was dealing with. And that these people are going to continue the violence. We need to impeach president who is encouraging and inciting in an insurgency in this country. And i would be so wrong for history if it would not conduct this. Well i believe will be by hardison impeachment of this president. It certainly does appear that it will be bipartisan congressman quickly. The president also said today that people whoever they are looked at his speech and said it was quote totally appropriate. There's reporting that during these riots. The president not only didn't act by the according to maggie haberman. New york times took some delight in what was happening. It was really hard to get him to act at all. Is there any way to read that. His words didn't incite this and he plays a large role in this chair. I think you're starting to see it. A bipartisan manner. That the hippo. It's it's pretty clear. The president's started a riot. Liz cheney statement this evening Saying that she's in favor of impeachment. And why i mean. She basically spells out exactly what happened and even ted cruz culpable and all this said that the president acted reckless leader. Mccarthy said the president in a private conversation admitted some responsibility. I mean it is so blatantly obvious at this point in time. He's acting like he has poor year and congresswoman ever been held accountable. And we're trying to for the first time and it and it does appear more. Republicans are holding them accountable. You mentioned Gop representative Liz cheney congresswoman kelly also illinois. gop representative adam girl has come out in favour impeachment. How many republicans do you think will be on this well. Of course hoping for as many as possible people say things in private like they have all along during donald trump's presidency but when it comes to walking the talk It's a little bit different. There are republicans and said things to me. But they haven't said they were going to sign onto this. But i think with liz cheney and then with mitch mcconnell Looking at this also maybe that will release some of the republicans to do the right thing and and in fact. Republicans have reportedly said they fear actually for their physical safety If they draw the ire of trump's supporters here there's also the issue of the fourteenth amendment section three states no person shall be a senator or representative in congress or elector of president and vice president or hold any office civil or military under the united states who have engaged in insurrection a rebellion against the same or given aid or comfort to the enemies of congresswoman schakowsky and this would only require a simple majority vote. I believe would. Would there be vote on the fourteenth amendment to expel trump from ever holding public office again and would that expand to any other members of congress. I think that is certainly one of the goals to make sure that we get rid of his menace. Saw rubber and But it also could be done through the trial it's in the in the senate following the impeachment in the house if we get to that Where one of his punishments one of the consequences that he could never run again he could never take his to two hundred thousand dollars pension. He could not have his million. We lost their congressman quigley not on tax and she could not run our congressman quickly. Impeachment it's very likely going to pass the house Senator mcconnell the majority leader says he is in favor of it. Do you see seventeen republican senators signing on and convicting donald trump. I'd like to think maybe reached that tipping point. Unfortunately i was mentioned You know they're not in session so if they're gonna do it. Unfortunately timing seems to indicate matter what he says. they probably won't do it. Until after the inauguration congresswoman kelly you talked about republicans saying Things maybe in private but not in public. Do you think that the majority leader's support for this opens up a cover. Republicans to sign on thing for some of them it would give them cover but like you mentioned earlier that they're worried about the base and the trump base and what the trump base will do in their frankly worried about their re election. So this is why. They don't speak up congressman quickly. I want you to talk about and when you're flying back last week after all this went down on the plane it was a it was a pretty tense moment. Can you just describe what that was like. You were on the plane with a lot of folks that participate in these activities. I think the most disturbing part of going home was passing the restaurant near our gates at the airport and they were having a pep rally celebration of their victory that they had had on wednesday having not slept the night before. This is absolutely the last thing. I wanted to see and You know you heard the threats to the vice president and that a lot of these folks got on the plane unfortunate because of their extraordinarily dangerous behavior and what they were saying and doing. We had the debord. A number of passengers were kicked off. Number more could have been kicked off. I felt for the safety. I was concerned about the safety of the crew and it tells us the threat that were worried. About the inauguration israel the threats were hearing about our state capitals and others are real. But you know. This threat extends temp at the president cited to discourage lawmakers from doing their job. All right. we're gonna we're gonna dig more into all of that is just a bit later in the program and again we invited every republican member of the illinois delegation. None accepted our invitation today. We are glad representatives. Mike quigley jan schakowsky robin. Kelly joined us and thank you. Everyone will see and just a bit and we'll be joined again later in the program by those conversations talk about a possible kovic breakout on capitol hill in addition to these threats violence but for now brandis. We go back to you. Paris thank you less than twenty. Four hours remain in the current legislative session and springfield buzzing with activity including negotiations about who will be the next speaker of the illinois house. Amanda finicky joins us now from the capital. Amanda for it has been a long one on this final full day of the one hundred first general assembly but it is not over yet and not by a long shot the senate in fact just getting in and beginning to meet minutes ago and two. You've got really two things that are happening concurrently with lawmakers rushing to pass bills ahead of tomorrow's deadline because that's when there will be a brand new general assembly as new crop of legislators are sworn into office also democrats in the house negotiating amongst themselves as to who at that point will win the speaker's gavel longtime speaker. Michael madigan gave a jolt of the race win yesterday. And a surprise after an apparent lack of support he announced that he was suspending. But not dropping out of the race and you did also have the first democrat to openly. Challenge for the speaker's position representative stephanie kippur of us. We go just minutes ago. Announcing that she is also withdrawing now there are two three that is top contenders left. The is representative. jay hoffman. He is a longtime representative from the east area and he is close with traditional democratic allies like unions and trial lawyers also west verb and representative manual chris welsh and representative and williams from chicago's northwest side. Now previously the powerful voting block of black legislators had endorsed madigan but after again that announcement of his suspended campaign the black caucus getting behind. Well they say he is a leader who can unite. Welsh was busy today to get the necessary. Votes to win the speaker's position as well as leading a hearing including this morning focused on a bill to provide emergency housing protections and to seal eviction records but it is not a lock for and again. I'll use the phrase not by a long shot. You have women's groups adamant that with a majority of women in the democratic caucus making history by winning the gavel williams is among the group of nineteen. Legislators who put matt again on the hot seat by publicly vowing to not support him for another term as speaker she briefly spoke on the floor today encouraging lawmakers to go to the basement of the convention center that is standing in for house chambers to get tested for covid as she did and the people administering the tests are pointing out. They've only been visited by ten fifteen twenty people a day. They have much more capacity than that. So please join me for daily cova test. It's a lot of fun. It's easy not too painful and just stay safe now. Colvin is certainly important. But i wanted to play that clip to make clear the elephants donkey. If you will that is in the massive convention hall that the house meeting in net is that most of the conversations and jockeying for the speakers positions are happening in private not in public and due to covid restrictions that limit the physical ability to converse with legislators their for those long hours on the floor. It is even harder to get a true grasp of back and forth. What's going on house. Republican leader. Jim durkin says there would be a safe way to allow better access to the media and to the public anti bemoaned the limitations as undemocratic. It's pretty clear why that is occurring in the house of representatives because the majority party is fractured. Wants to keep things as quiet in under the rug as possible. There's no question that a change in the democrat. Leadership in the house is in desperate need and may just happen soon also but we have a state that is drowning in debt and a weakened speaker who will do anything to maintain maintain his power. Don't count them out. Republicans who got point out or in the super minority in both chambers of the general assembly are also criticizing democrats for what they say is rushing through major legislation in the eleventh hour. And some of this. Some of these measures they say are going to add millions of expenses. To the state this is a political mover maneuver that is intended to keep illinois in the dark and make immense economic decisions that are going to affect generations to come right now. They are focused on a massive government expansion. Instead of doing some things that really need when you should be doing right now helping us get through the pandemic addressing unemployment fraud that seems to be affecting people all across the state and fixing our state budget now governor jay be office taking umbrage with that critique but republicans say that as the top democrat pritzker should be more involved both on what is happening during lame duck and on the speakers race in the future of the house now the bills that have been the focus thus far of lame duck session are those that are part of a massive agenda portfolio by black legislators in the wake of george floyd killing the caucuses complex package touches on everything from education to employment but republican representative. Dan masaaki says at least one measure. This is one that restricts employers from making hiring decisions based on a job applicants criminal past actually going to backfire. You want to have hired the people were you would want someone to take a chance. You have now made it incredibly expensive for their resume to even cross an employer's door so when you do that that means you're going to get cut out. It means you're not going to get those opportunities that people desperately need representative. Curtis tarver saying that missouri's comments show exactly why a measure like this is needed and we talk about having training the needs to be some more diversity training because it's incredibly offensive to tell somebody what's best for them that'd be would for a long period of time so now we have a bill that we think is best for our community but not only our community. The reason why. There's a highlight for us. Because we get arrested at disproportionate rates we visited disproportionate rates. We end up right back in the same neighborhood or less opportunities we get out of jail and prison we could as i said see machinations going long into the night really into the wee hours as i was heading over to the state house house. Democrats were going into yet again. Another private meeting. There are still ongoing negotiations about a major plank of that black caucus reform and net. Is police in the criminal justice components and also of course that race for house speaker. We will have our first public. Vote on that tomorrow. So until then brandis back to you a lot to keep your eye on. Amanda thank you. We'll see you later in twenty nineteen. Protesters gathered outside cook county. State's attorney. kim. Fox's office to object to the dropped charges against jussie smollet a former empire actor fast forward to last week when trump supporters stormed the us capital while the events were fueled by different circumstances. They have the connection of being attended by far right groups. Joining us talk about both of these events is cook county. State's attorney kim. Fox's welcome back to chicago nights attorney. So many have called. The attack on the capital shocking. But you said last week that it's not that shocking to you why not. It wasn't shocking to me at all. I mean i think the imagery of someone hanging from the senate Gallows or the image of the new south side. Those are shocking images but the notion that angry mobs of white supremacism gathering to come after elected leaders is the same thing that happened here in chicago. In two thousand nineteen there was very little reporting around The the sensationalism around the smell case dimmed the attention on the fact. That four white nationalist groups marched alongside the f. o. P. calling for my head and this wasn't a discussion or issue around. You know how. I made a decision in my office. I it was white nationalist coming to have me removed from my office. What parallels imagine you see some parallels between the protests that happened outside your office at that time with the riots at the capital last week i think the parallels are strict it. Was you know in two thousand. And nineteen white nationalist groups who found comfort in the camaraderie of the f. o. key leadership John cotton zara was out there in his trump jersey posing for pictures with members of cuban on And here we. Are you know last week where we have the same groups. The proud boys q. Went on and others angrily coming for democratic leadership. And we have john captains are once again downplaying diminishing the role of what happened Because he has been a part of these efforts so one of the people who attended that two thousand nineteen rally as you said. You know current f. o. p. president john canton's era. Who i want to say was invited. He has been invited to join us here on chicago tonight. He was not available. This evening. We're looking right now at that photo that you're referencing state's attorney of him posing with aku knock cuban on supporter as you said. He defended the rioters who stormed the capital. Last week. Telling wbz quote. There was no arson. There was no burning of anything. There was no looting. There was very little destruction of property. It was a bunch of pissed off. People that feel in election was stolen somehow some way. He's apologized for these remarks. But what do those remarks tell you. I'm i think they tell you everything that you need to know about why the relationship between law enforcement and the communities that we serve in chicago are so fractured. It tells me that while he trumpets law and order he actually cares more about the lawlessness and disorder of those that he agrees with. You know this is someone who is the first f. o. p. chief our president who is not has his duties. He's had his power strip for him for a series of events Not the least of which is making races islamophobic comments about muslims in so it is frightening to the communities that we serve that when they see and hear john kennedy's are believed that he represents the values of the men and women who represents the chicago police department for. The communities are these folks are coming into that already. have the trust It's it's devastating. His comment are are are not just about him. it's about the many women that he represents and he does them no service when he speaks an extra correct myself Obviously drunk cotton's are is the f. o. P. president the journal order police. The union there I wanna move on a little bit if i can last weekend. There was hearing on the amendments for house. Bill one sixty three aimed at police reform and overall it's intended to build trust with police departments. How do you get people to build trust with police departments win there is someone like cabins are running the f. o. P. well what. I think you reject the likes of kittens. Are i think what you've seen over the course of the last several days. Whether it's the alderman on the city council clerk valencia or even the mayor's comments that say that you know this is not indicative of who we are where we want to go. Don't forget this is a man who is unapologetic in his rejection of the work that needs to be done on a consent decree or on reform and so. I think the way that we build that trust is that we reject the the notion that he exposes. We reject his leadership. And we do. The work like they're doing in springfield late into the night was was just reported on legislation aimed to address policing in our communities. And we've got about forty five seconds left illinois state's attorneys association. They've also expressed their disapproval for the bill saying that it would undermine public safety. How would policing be different illinois. If it's passed the bill is being worked on as we speak would allow for body worn cameras for police departments across the state so that everyone will have an opportunity to see the work that it's done it will also allow for us to have you know. Standard is four or standardize standards related to use of force. These are things that have not been president before and will give people who have to engage with police a sense of comfort that there is professionalism and standardization that doesn't exist right now okay a lot more to come on that. I'm sure And hopefully we will at some point here from turtle police union president john cotton's era until then cook county state's attorney kim fox. Thank you for joining us. Thank you branches and now parents back to you thanks branson still to come on chicago tonight. Dr emily landon on the covid. Nineteen vaccine roll out. The continued spread of the virus much more three representatives test positive for covid nineteen including illinois congressman brad schneider members of illinois's congressional delegation share. Their thoughts rioters on the us capital last week. Could face some very serious charges. A former federal prosecutor breaks it down for us and meet a local man who for nearly forty years is used chainsaws on dead trees to make impressive wooden sculptures. But i m more of today's top stories. Chicago teachers went outside the classroom to demonstrate against returning inside several members of the chicago. Teachers union held the teach out today. One day after teachers and students of special ed cluster. Classes returned to in person. Learning the unions oppose the return to the classroom because it says there are not enough safety measures. Put in place yet and they say the. Cps made the decision without negotiating. We remain committed negotiate agreement. We want to get back to school. We wanna do a safely. And that's something that we're going to we're going to keep working at But ultimately that's going to have to. Cps a new effort to remove the trump signed from chicago's trump tower. Although it's probably a long shot chicago alderman gilbert vegas introduced an ordinance that would prohibit the city from doing business or awarding assigned. Permit anyone convicted of treason sedition or subversive actions that seems to be fairly narrowly tailored previous efforts to remove the sign via city. Ordinance have failed chicago bears. We'll be getting someone new to lead their defense this after several reports say defensive coordinator chuck pagano plans to retire pagawa. Who's also the former head. Coach of the indianapolis colts has run. The defense for the past two seasons and head coach. Matinee is reported to be making the new hire he. In general manager ryan pace now are expected to return next season. And now we go back brandon with more on covid nineteen the vaccination and the rollout prentice paris. The trump administration today instructed states to begin vaccinating americans over the age of sixty five for covid as well as those with chronic medical conditions that comes illinois continues to vaccinate frontline healthcare workers and residents of long term care facilities. We are working as fast as we can to make sure our people here in chicago. Who every day are potentially being exposed to covid and keeping our healthcare system making sure that they get their appointments booked off for forgetting this covert vaccines this as school. Districts in restaurants push to at least partially reopen chicago and across the state joining us. Now for more is dr. Emily landon executive medical director for infection prevention and control at. You should go medicine. Welcome back to chicago tonight. Dr landon how would you say the vaccine rollout has been going chicago medicine well and university of chicago medicine. It's running like a well oiled machine. We're doing a ton of vaccines. every day. We moved on from our own employees to now being allowed to work on other healthcare workers. That are not are pleased. And we're ready to go to start back standing patients as well as soon as we can so about three hundred and fifty thousand vaccine doses have been administered in illinois with the state averaging around twenty four thousand per day. How quickly do you expect that number to ramp up how fast. Let's be honest with you. It takes a lot to run one of these vaccine clinics. It's not exactly easy. It's not like you just go to the bridge and pull out pre filled syringe and just slap a needle on the job. You know there's a lot that has to happen insurance x. best v very well timed from defrosting to the adding of the to the diluting. The drawing up and you have to do it within thirty minutes. And there's like all these rules and you've got to get people moving through so there is certainly a lot more to doing this vaccine than there is to a regular vaccine and i think a lot of places are struggling with logistics of that. We're lucky we have. A big workforce large academic medical centers used to handle to put these kinds of things together. But it's hard were public health authorities and to just stand up. Oh vaccine clinic somewhere and then these cvs walgreens again you know. They're going to get it right but it does take some time to adapt to the instruction. I think that everybody's sort of working up to good pace so some medical experts are suggesting that we delay giving people that second dose that second shot of the vaccine so that more people can get the first shot and thinking that that would allow for at least a partial protection. Is that a strategy worth pursuing. Well delay a term that can mean a lot of things if we're talking about adding a couple of weeks because there's a little bit of uncertainty in terms of getting everybody in for their appointments or maybe even a month that's probably not a big deal but the study doesn't have any data about delaying much longer than that and so we don't know whether or not one would have to start over there and get another. I does a goal. Here is to get a little bump of immunity from the first dose and as that starting to come down really challenged the system. The same way that you train for a marathon by running a short run and then a longer run. Then you know that's that's the sort of thing that we're doing if you wait until the immunity galway down. You may not get the same ninety five percent efficacy bumped that you see from doing it sort of as that one's coming down or it's all web ground so i think there's a lot to learn about this certainly holding off a little longer seems to be safer than doing an earlier. That's true but i don't know what the end date is. So i think there is certainly something we want to get two doses in to everybody and we want to get people back stated as quickly as possible so i think i have to find a middle ground there now. Some restaurants in chicago are calling governor pritzker to allow them to open at twenty percent capacity indoors. Here's what once said today. We have to be in the least twenty percent deliveries and takeout. It's not enough to keep us surviving. My business will be one hundred years old shortly from my family. And i want to make sure it stays open so need some. We need somebody to help us. Do that is twenty twenty percent indoor dining capacity a safe option. At this point you know. Every restaurant is different grim. Another restaurant and twenty percent indoor capacity buying for someplace places with great ventilation and plenty of spacing but it may not be for others and if you have people that are very if you're living in a community where there's an outbreak of kobe over and there's a lot of cases which is to be honest with you most of our communities right now that were may not be a good idea what these restaurants really need and i know i've taken a hard line on this from the very beginning of vast majority of the spread of kogas happening when people are unmasked and up. Close and really. The only time that's happening is when they're eating we're seeing it in a hospital or seeing it in businesses. We're seeing all over the place and it's not because one business or one restaurant is doing a good job or badge off. It's just unlucky if somebody comes in with cohen and so i think what they really need a bailout. They'd help getting through this time. Because we just can't predict yet whether or not it's going to be okay to open especially with this new variant sort of sort of staring us down. This variant is way more contagious than the other. And that means but it takes a lot less coded to make you sick in the first place and you get sick before you're even contact trace from your from your exposure and so that puts restaurants didn't even more difficult position to open. I'm not in favor of opening restaurants right now. There's no good standards for ventilation. There's no way to know which restaurants are going to be okay at twenty percent. Which are i feel. All restaurants will and at the same time dr landon. Chicago public school students return to the classroom yesterday albeit in small numbers for now the current metrics cps is using to determine reopening is the city's case doubling rate. That's currently at about eighty five days. Is that number a helpful guide. In this instance yeah. I think it's really hard to rely on anyone metric because it can take a long time to see when you're going to double again right and that may not move as quickly as some others but then it also takes into more help than a lot of other factors compared to other metrics that are available. It's really hard to look at anyone given metric and it's also important to note that schools really controlled environment. Where kids are gonna be wearing masks teachers wearing masks. They're going to be kept at distance sharing a table with one. Another likely in a restaurant and lunch is going to be limited time and limited in scope. I mean it's just really different situation for schools. Got got about fifteen seconds left. You're feeling than about schools reopening. I think that it's important that we do everything. You can't get kids back in school especially younger kids and that means that we need to make all the efforts canc catholic schools have been really successful some of the private schools including the one at the university of chicago. The last one been extremely successful in keeping kids. Safe and teachers safe in classrooms. Just like we've been able to keep our to receive and hospitals now that we have appropriate p and we know more about but it does have to be very controlled environment and there's going to be a lot of important things. Watch these things be reopened. But i think it's time okay. Dr emily landon. You chicago medicine. Thanks again for joining us. And now back. To paris and local members of congress paris thanks brandis members of congress took shelter from the raiders on capitol hill. Some republican congressman. Refuse to wear masks even when they were offered now. Three congress members have covid nineteen including illinois representative. Brad snyder. here's what he had to say about it today. These people refused to wear masks out of. I struggled for the word if it's more than more than content It is a desire to cause injury to others was just very unfortunate. And we've seen three people in that room be tested positive for Kobe nineteen and earlier in the program. Our guests weighed in on a second impeachment joining us. Once again mike quickly. Jan schakowsky and robin kelly. We invited every republican member of the illinois delegation but none accepted our invitation today congresswoman kelly. You're in that room with representatives. Schneider can you talk about that. What he was saying that Some republican members of the house were were basically sneering at the notion of putting on a mask even though they were asked to sure they were in A corner they were all together in a corner and about five to six of them. Did not have masks. My colleague lisa blunt rochester as people have seen on tape Offered mass to them. And they you know sneered at her. Didn't take the mass or smiled and said no thank you. we don't need it and And and continue to stay out there mass. It was an announcement where your mask please. And i was one of the people that shattered out. Don't say please tell them. They have to wear their masks. Is ridiculous you know. It's not like some of our colleagues hadn't had coded already. I think about what are your fifty. So they know what's happening and they see all the people dying from it you know so but they still didn't put their mask on. But i think i heard someone say something to the effect of. They don't wanna be political and they don't wanna make a political statement which is certainly is not a political statement. Let's talk about some of the threats of violence. We alluded to earlier the virginia. Fbi office warned about a lot of stuff that could happen on january six and is warning about stuff that could happen in the next week congresswoman schakowsky. What are you hearing from law enforcement about threats to your safety and ongoing insurrection attempts at the capitol i hope that august i certainly have alerted the lease in the community. Back in the In the district. I talked yesterday personally to the police. Chief in evanston They're going to you know. Spend time around my house. and We also i think anyone who has a vanity plate but identifies themselves as a member of congress ought to take it off We have been Encouraged knock to identify ourselves as much as as much as we can and today at the airport the chicago police were at the gates and i think and i and i was greeted by someone from the capitol police when i got off the plane. So there's a lot of precautions being taken but they're also a lot very violent plans being made right now for the be. Not only or the inauguration day but For a few days before that congressman quickly. Do you know any more about the preparations to protect the capital to protect lawmakers to protect the public from some of these threats of violence. We understanding they'll be fourteen thousand national guard Alive variety of other law enforcement measures. You see them as we came in today obviously late but The dramatic fencing. That's going around the entire complex of all slew of security measures. Now put in place again. My concern is the safety here and say to the inauguration but it's a lot tougher than we imagined because these threats are are being made toward off at the state capitals and anybody who's in public office it's somewhat open season so this is going to be a real challenge. This is reminiscent of of nine eleven. And in one sense. It's worse you know. This isn't a foreign threat right. These are american citizens making these threats. The an insurrection that continues and they're making it clear what happened. Last wednesday was the term. I heard the expression i heard was address rehearsal. We have a lot of work to do to protect our democracy and the people who serve within that system. That's certainly an ominous and scary notion congressman kelly. Are you confident that The inauguration can go on outside as planned with representatives there with former presidents there as president-elect joe biden says it should. I am confident. We're well aware now of what could happen and what we should do. And also the inaugurations have always been on a different level of Event and the protection around it would secret service involved fbi. I know that they are a police officers coming from all over the country because my nephew is one of them coming from a cpa. And i think that will be prepared. And then because they've curtailed The audience of so severely no hundreds of thousands of people. You know. I think that will help too. But we have to be careful and not take anything for granted and and make sure we're all on our toes and watching certainly But going back to january six congresswoman schakowsky. Now there's some talk of some of these very far right. Congress people tweeting stuff. Like seventeen. Seventy six in reference to this being another revolution tweeting. The The fact that Policy was not in the house chambers Maybe signaling To the rioters where to go Is there any indication to you. Congressman schakowsky that any of these representatives are. Were tacitly in in on some of the soren contact with the writers or have any role to play here but we certainly know that a couple of them at least went out and did talk to a crowd and many of them voted against certifying the election so siding with the the the president that you really one and i think there is some look. Are there going to be consequences to this kind of reach of our democracy by numbers. And i think that there may be some cases where members have to be held accountable. I'm not clear exactly what shape that were tape. But that you can't just get away with sedition well and congressman quickly. You heard Acting us attorney in dc. Say that people would be shocked at the level where this goes in terms of conspiracy sedition. What what does that mean in terms of how high up this go. I think we're not going to know the full extent of that for six months to a year. Look there is a lot of research that has to be done. The people who are here are scattered across the country. Have seen one hundred sixty arrests but the investigations are going to ensue and with technology they have now with these cameras going back and checking with social media and then interviewing those people the fact that prosecuted and perhaps open up who else was involved. It is question I believe it will be shocking. But i think it will unfold for at least six months probably a year. All right well There's a lot that you have to take care of and especially your own safety. We hope that you stay safe and we are thank you. We thank you for being here and again. We invited every republican member of the illinois delegation but none accepted our invitation. We are glad representatives mike quigley jan schakowsky and robin kelly. Join us. thank you everybody in here and now to fill say and more on how rioters at the capital last week are being charged fill peres federal prosecutors and law enforcement have charged dozens of people in connection with last week's attack on the us capital and today fbi officials says they are far from done in six days. We have opened over one hundred and sixty case files. And that's just the tip of the iceberg. The significance of this investigation is not lost on us. This is a twenty four seven full invest extensive operation into what happened that day as the fbi manhunt continues. The district of columbia is acting. Us attorney says more serious. Federal charges will be explored against the terrorists including sedition and felony murder joining us offer. His perspective is a former federal prosecutor. Is attorney gil soffer a former assistant. Us attorney and associate deputy attorney general at the us justice department gil soffer. Thank you for joining us as you looked at over the past week at some of the video that We've seen coming out of that insurrection. What are some of the charges that come to mind. There's enormous abundance of charges that prosecutors have available to them based on these facts on the less serious side. It's everything from curfew. Violations to theft of government property jammed government property unlawful entry on government property. But on the more serious side. It could go all the way up to rioting and incitement to riot. Insurrection and incitement insurrection and sedition seditious conspiracy carries a twenty year maximum so very broad array of crime. Some very serious ones and we're looking at a graph of some of the some of the charges that are already have been contemplated and alluded to you've mentioned some unlawful emperor entry to cap to the capitol grounds gun related crimes theft conspiracy assaulting the federal law enforcement officer murder manslaughter. Felony murder and sedition. Tell us about sedition. Remind us sedition is is so sedition or seditious conspiracy is an agreement a conspiracy among more people to overthrow the united states government or among other things to occupy by force government property. I think very clearly saw that here question is how far does that charge. Go in candidate bring within it. Just the people who were there on the grounds bursting into the chamber but also those who instigated them. That's a harvard prime off the top of your head. You know what the potential sentences are four. Sedition edition carries a twenty year maximum. You also mentioned felony murder and murder. That's also some realistic charge here. At least for those who were involved in assaulting the officer who assisted in salt in the officer even the murder of the rider can be pinned on others in the mob if they were engaged in a violent felony and this was a foreseeable consequence of this. A lot of series star. You you just looted the part of the definition of felony murder but reminds again what felony murder is felony. Murder is if if you are in the commission in the process of committing or committed a violent. Think armed robbery. I if in the course of that and that death was foreseeable result of the crime that you were engaged in you are responsible not only for the underlying offense. You're responsible for the murder itself in the death of that you can be charged with what's known as felony merck the classic cases of robbery where somebody is waiting on a car to take the robbers away i if if a if a death of murder occurs in store that's being robbed even the person waiting outside in the car could be charged with felony murder. But how about writers who may not have been in close proximity physical proximity to where the The police officer was was killed. Would they potentially be subject to felony murder charge if potentially but it becomes a much more challenging prosecution to bring the the farther they are physically from the person who was murdered on really the the farther they are in terms of of communications with others responsible for the tougher charged. That is the bring. I would expect to see instead of that kind of charge in that circumstance. Something closer to a sedition charge certainly to unlawful entry on capitol grounds and other charges. That are certainly easier to brand. Do you think prosecutors looking for the most serious charges to announce i so that it can be a deterrent. Say to what might happen. And the next week or two. I think prosecutors. I think they are thinking of this as a deterrent. I think they do want to bring the most serious charges. They can not only now upfront. But i think they will be looking for the most serious charges that can be brought an appropriate thing to do and the exercise of the prosecutorial discretion given The range of crimes that can be charged and given the scope of this of this insurrection. How long could this Prosecution take i mean. This is a sweeping sweeping investigation. Already there so many people that it can be focusing on this to take many months absolutely. I think we'll see a good number of being brought soon. We're the now. But i think we're going to see this. Continue beyond this month beyond next month. It'll take many months. Fbi saying that they have more than one hundred thousand pieces of digital evidence. How would you describe the role of social media in as prosecutors and investigators look for evidence prosecutors dream and it's a gift it's a gift prosecutors. Because these people have essentially videotaped themselves photograph themselves and uploaded on social media themselves the proof of the crimes and so it makes it very easy lot easier than it would have been five years ago certainly ten years ago for investigators to find out who was there who did what and to apprehend them at the charts at today's news conference not much was said about the interest or the priority of prosecuting politicians for their role. In what happened. How likely is that anything that gets into greater territory more difficult territory from prosecutors if we're not talking about politicians who were on the scene actually engaging in criminal conduct then we're talking about politicians who were instigating or amending or inciting criminal conduct and that's just a tougher road to hold from a criminal legal perspective enough to show intention to committed unlawful act and you'd have to show intend to incite immediate criminal activity in that speech. They engaged in was likely to cause him. Criminal activity hurtles. They're grounded in first amendment among other things. Gil soffer. thank you so much. We appreciate your insights and up next local man who uses chainsaws to create his art. But first a look at the weather. What can you tell us about how chicago small businesses are doing. These are more than just shopping. Centers for the community gathering places where they maintain their culture. He's a crappy artist who uses a gas powered paintbrush and tree trunks as his canvas. We caught up with a chicago area. Entrepreneur who has been using chainsaws to make wood sculptures for nearly forty years producer mark. Vitale recently met him to find out how he carves his living out of dead trees. Here's another look he can turn an old tree stump into a bird of prey or a wildcat. My knees eric. With it and i am a sculptor. Pretty much a sharp chainsaw will cut any kind of would. So everyone has its own beauty. Its own advantages. Some hold better details. Some require more sanding and so forth goal is to to remove would to create the whatever subject i'm i'm going after and chainsaws just a a great tool to remove would quickly and with a steady hand connects. You do quite a bit of detail with it as well. I'm always making adjustments. Ceo making overcut. And so that. That's actually what's what's so hard about is the whole the chainsaw real steady and to not take up too much since the early one eighties eric wits has carved up a forest full of wooden wildlife and all sorts of things. I've done thousands of sculptures done so many different subjects over the years lots of totem poles in on a few bigfoot for merely seems to be like owls and squirrels raccoons some works display. a rustic. artistry others are more fun than bears winning streak family. Pets are a popular subject or customer might want a character from the star. Wars universe most are made in front yards and backyards primarily. It's it seems to be a standing trees in people's yards broken off by windstorm or disease typically a you know i s people send me a picture there tree and damian with a trump measurement. And then i can superimpose a sketch. Digitally proportion wise. I'll make whatever theme that the people are interested in. I can put that into law. We visited eric. It's at the red tail golf course and fox river grove. It was the last day of his outdoor season and the chainsaws didn't seem to bother the golfers too much. It's probably ninety. Ninety five percent chainsaw mall slur work. And then i do uh with whatever the customer wants his creations can take as little as an hour to make or as long as weeks they typically survive the elements for a dozen years sometimes much longer prices ranging from a few hundred dollars into the thousands and they usually come with finishing touches. Most of the time. I do a little burning and that burns off. Some of the fuzzy stop brings out the wood grain highlights texture drives would little bit outdoor sculptures. I put up citing index. Preserve studied the culture in college. And i ended up. I didn't actually finish. Because i really didn't need to. I was managing a tree. Nursery and lakes. Eric and and i was actually training people. There were college graduates. College hard knocks taught me never really had a problem staying busy. So there's always be a demand for good quality sculptures and trees keep dying for chicago tonight. This is mark vitale and as you can see visit. Took place on one of the last few warm days of the season. During winter months. Eric wits focuses on indoor sculpture an woodwork. Find out more about him and his company. Art intrigues on our website. And that's show for this tuesday night. Please join us tomorrow night. Live at seven extremist groups involved with the capitals insurrection. Who are they. And what danger do they still pose. And the new general assembly is sworn-in michael madigan retain his role as speaker. Now for all of us here. Chicago tonight on brandon friedman and i'm parachutes. Thank you so much for watching. Stay healthy and safe good evening capturing is made possible by robert a clifford and clifford lockdowns chicago personal injury and wrongful death. 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House kills impeachment resolution, Trump declares victory; Trump holding 2020 rally amid outrage over racist remarks; Sanders fires back at rivals, defends Medicare for all

Erin Burnett OutFront

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House kills impeachment resolution, Trump declares victory; Trump holding 2020 rally amid outrage over racist remarks; Sanders fires back at rivals, defends Medicare for all

"It's an age of your seat. Thrill ride that will change overseas forever. The movies Sundays Nine P._M.. On C._N._N.. Tired of spending hundreds of dollars for prescription glasses visits any today at Xeni Dot dot com slash C._N._N.. Breaking news more than forty percents of Democrats going against Pelosi swishes voting to keep alive resolution to impeach President Trump Speaker Pelosi keeper party and check President Trump claims he's enjoying the fight over his racist tweets showing no signs of leading up the attacks so how his supporters feel tonight and Bernie Sanders fighting back against his twenty twenty rivals over health care to sanders plan to pay for his Medicare for all proposal at <hes>. Let's go out on good evening. I'm Erin Burnett out front tonight. The breaking news the House of Representatives rejecting bid to launch impeachment proceedings against president trump and president trump declaring victory telling reporters seconds ago quote. We've just received an overwhelming wing vote against impeachment and that's the end of it. He went on to call it. The quote most ridiculous project. I didn't high now over how the whole saga over his racist tweets is playing out. Do you think you're winning this political fights. I do think I'm wondering into political. I think I'm willing to get by a lot and at least by one measure he is right because even a majority of Democrats voted against Impeachment Democrat Al Green Ending Around Speaker Nancy Pelosi to force the vote his his resolution was specifically to move ahead on impeachment because of the president's tweets not because of obstruction of justice or anything related to the Muller report. No the tweets and this vote highlighted the growing schism in the Democratic Party Speaker Nancy Anti Pelosi making it clear. She thinks that this was a big waste of time. Do you have any concerns that the focus on impeachment today and the votes on the floor related to could jeopardize Robert Muller's appearance next week. No I think people get rid of all this right now. Pretty dismissive get rid of all this right now what she did get rid of it okay. She wants the focus to be on molars upcoming testimony and is four hundred forty eight page report right. She was victorious in the vote but tonight's vote did show a growing number of Democrats. Do not like how Pelosi is handling impeachment. They're getting restless and this wing now seems intent on ignoring speaker Pelosi's commands even though Pelosi insists that going for impeachment is playing into trump's trump's hands. Don't tell anybody I told you this trump I use his name. Trump is coding a student teaching. That's what he's doing every single day he's just like taunting taunting taunting because he knows that it would be very divisive in the country but he doesn't really care just wants to solidify his the president upping his incendiary rhetoric tonight against the four democratic congresswoman as this continues just listen to him before leaving for a rally tonight North Carolina when you look at some of the things they said there unthinkable if somebody else or me or anybody else said things like that <hes> it would be historic so look the president doubling down tripling down and sending more and more Democrats to take on Speaker Pelosi forcing her to try stuff the impeachment genie back into the bottle Maharaja was out front live on Capitol Hill and my new look this is vote. She didn't want to have happened. It has now put a lot of Democrats in a very tough position tonight. Yeah that's right and a lot of Democrats did not want to go this route because they wanted to wait for the mother hearing take place I even supporters of opening up an impeachment inquiry. We're not comfortable and actually did not support. Ultimately voting for this impeachment articles of impeachment that was focused on the notion of the president is a racist not even do with the allegations of obstruction of justice laid out in the muller pro but Al Green who's a Democrat pushed US measure defended. This effort told me just moments go. This is the right thing to do Aaron. He also told me that he's not done pushing this measure. He said that if saved he's not asked him if he's willing to do it again he said I want. I don't want to do it again. I hope someone else will do it but no one else does it. Then I will and under the rules any member can force of vote despite despite the wishes of Nancy Pelosi now green defied the speaker and pushing forward in this and green sees a quote positive development. He told me he's not concern of the president is portraying this big political victory because he says that more and more people bulls are starting to understand the process ninety. Five Democrats did vote for this resolution that is more than the amount of Democrats voted twenty seventeen and twenty eighteen for impeachment articles of impeachment and that time fifty eight and twenty seventeen sixty six and twenty eighteen eighteen Democrats voted to keep alive and impeachment resolution so the proponents are pushing one way to be forced to houses hand articles of Impeachment Nancy Pelosi saying let's do something else investigate this presidency what we turn up put the breaks on the calls for impeachment all the while people like Jerry now the House Judiciary Committee Charon chairman who has privately called for an impeachment inquiry continued to call for that impeachment inquiry for the moment right now Democrats continuing to do a Pelosi once even as the number of Democrats have growing number of Democrats want to open up formal impeachment proceedings and they are obviously she's trying to hold the line here but she shutting support and you can hear the president's celebrating that Mahu thank you very much and I want to go now to Democratic Congressman Dan Kildee guilty chief deputy whip of the House Democratic Caucus and I appreciate your time congressman so look you voted. I understand to go ahead with the impeachment proceedings against what UH Speaker Pelosi wanted why well first of all I think the president should be subject to impeachment inquiry. I will say this the position that many members took was a little more nuance than as people might think many of the members like me who support an impeachment inquiry did not vote with did not oppose does the tabling motion because they didn't like this particular approach and I sort of share that I think what Mr Green going ahead with impeachment for as racism as the reason my view was that this this resolution should have been referred to the judiciary committee rather than simply a table but but I share the view that many of my colleagues share that this is not the approach that we should take. I don't think one member using the privileges of the house should impose rose a set of impeachment articles on everyone else and ask for yes or no vote but having said that we don't get to vote with footnotes we have to vote yes or no red or green in my view I would have preferred to see this resolution referred referred to the judiciary committee so that we can commence an impeachment inquiry and then open up much more significant misdeeds by the president those I understand so you're saying okay because of the Mullahs reporter obstruction of justice. That's that's where you see the reason for impeachment so you've okay even though you don't support algorithms reason for impeachment but I just want to be clear Congressman Kelly. Do you think fundamentally president trump could be impeached for being racist. No I mean I think we can object to that racism and we took a very strong stand on yesterday but I think if we're going down the path of impeachment which I support it should be for these very clear violations that we see the report okay so Al Green as as you heard just spoke to mano a few moments ago and one of the thinks he said Congressman Kennedy was quote in my opinion. We've got ninety five votes this time sixty six the lifetime so that's a plus. Does he have a point. I mean speaker. Pelosi wanted this to fail and yet the numbers keep going in the other direction and I know you're saying a lot of people had different reasons for getting there but a heck of a lot more people are getting there as in yes on impeachment proceedings guilty then then a year ago or before that so is she losing support well. I don't really see this as being something for against what the speaker you're re is looking for. We all have to think for ourselves and in particular case like this we have to make our own judgments but put it this way support for an impeachment inquiry is clearly growing in support. There are many members who did not vote against the tabling motion who support impeachment so the number is grown much more than from just sixty six to the ninety five. I think is really significant support to go down this path. A lawmaker who is inside of House House Democrats Meeting Today <hes> told Dana Bash that there was a discussion on internal polling among Democrats and the message was <hes> you know the the impeachment thing is not working <hes> there. There's frustration. There's frustration with the four democratic congresswoman who <hes> food in the meeting was the perception they're sort of pulling the party in this direction but they're saying look the internal polling shows that that that is not what voters overwhelmingly want they wanna focus on infrastructure and other things. Are you concerned and are you concerned <hes> that the squad or others <music> are pulling your party too far down the impeachment hall well. I think we actually have to be able to do more than one at a time and this is why I think getting the judiciary committee moving on an inquiry would free the committees that have jurisdiction over infrastructure over for healthcare to really focus on that agenda I think we I think that concern is legitimate and when we go to the American people during the recess we have to be able to talk about the issues that affect them at the kitchen table every single day but that does not mean we get a to ignore our constitutional obligation and I don't think we should poll test the constitution. We have an obligation to follow it in this case. I think it is taking us to a place where we have to enforce the constitution on this president whether it polls well or not so as I mentioned the president's very clear this is a win for him tonight the vote as he sees it and this entire portfolio with four congresswoman is a boon for him. Here's what he said today. I do think I'm wanting to political but I think I'm willing to get by a lot. The Democratic Radic Party is really going in a direction that nobody thought possible. They're going so far left. They're gonNA fall off a cliff. Do you have concern about that. Look <hes> no I don't we have an agenda that's very clear around healthcare around growing wages around cleaning up government that we continue to pursue. That's what the American people want but if anyone that I'm going to take political advice from it's a very long list and at the very end of that list as Donald Trump look. He's just not a credible. Only by observer of what's happening in American politics it's kind of a strange thing to say about the president of the United States but I just listen to what he says that often anymore. I appreciate your time. Thank you very much sir. Thank you and next president trump trump about to speak at that rally in North Carolina it is a must win state for him and he's putting time in we'll give him the edge in twenty twenty plus. The Battle Line's drawn over healthcare Bernie Sanders taking on his critics unafraid. Do voters really want what sanders is selling and Ban Jones tonight goes to the crucial state of Pennsylvania to find out what voters think about trump's racists tweets and what van has found the past day is going to surprise you guys are terrible taking care of their health. Whether it's a knee injury bad back or something worse guys usually more comfortable rubbing some dirt on it than seeing a doctor. I'm guilty of it myself. 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GET ROMAN DOT com slash out front looking at live pictures out of North Carolina President trump about to speak at a campaign rally for its twenty twenty reelection bid. You see the vice president there speaking trump about to take that podium odeum as he continues to defend attacks on formed democratic congresswoman of color denies relishing the entire feud and I'm not relishing the fight. I'm enjoying it because I have to get the word out to the American people defoe and you have to enjoy what you do you enjoy what I do. That's not where country wants to be. We're not going to go and we're not going to be a socialist country. It's not going to happen I guess enjoying relishing or perhaps not exact synonyms kaitlan collins out in front of the rally in Greenville Caitlyn. Look you have spent some time today talking to the people the people who are there who waited in line to hear this president his supporters. How do they feel about his tax on the Democratic congresswoman ten of the president's supporters here in the arena tonight people have been waiting hours the president and you really saw what a divider is between Washington here over that reaction to the president's tweets on Sunday where he told hold those democratic congresswoman to go back where they came from even though most of them reporting the United States and Brickley a lot of the president's supporters that we spoke with that they did not tax racist actually the president and his sentiment demand that if you don't love the United States you go home even when they were faced with what those women had said that interview which is what they did love the country they were just trying to make changes what you essentially saw them saying actually no they think it's congresswomen who were the racist now they support how he came out of all of that but Aaron of course we should note that these are supporters of the president and there was a big in Washington between Democrats and Republicans and the White House over the reaction to the president? It's comment but the real question what the campaign is going to be looking for is held us more moderate or undecided voters react to the president's comments right. Thank you very much Caitlyn college there of course as you can hear the president taking the stage out front now Scott Jennings thanks who was a special assistant to President George W Bush and former senior spokesperson for Hillary for America Karen Finney so carrying you heard Caitlyn <hes> look you know his people who go to his rallies or going to support what he says sure but if the president strategy was to use these attacks not just because they're going to agree with him but energize then to get them ready to go turn out and vote for him it clearly appears to be working well absolutely and we knew all along that this was going to be his strategy from twenty for twenty twenty. It's exactly what he did in two thousand sixteen where he mainstream the outright from the beginning <hes> which is part of this sort of very far right dangerous kind of hyperbolic rhetoric and the thing is though these four women represent change in America they represent very different communities different parts of our country like myself. We are just as American as anybody else but we have different types of American stories but we're all part of the American story. That's not the vision that trump is putting forward his this vision says those people you should be afraid of because they're going to take away everything you love. They're gonNA take away jobs they're going to do you know they're violent. There you know murderers and what have you and so of course it is in his interest to stoke that backup up stoke up that hate stoke up that rage and I gotta tell you on some of this. I'm not surprised because on number of those the trump supporters it's kind of already baked in. They don't know what it's like to be a black person in America and get told to your face as a six year old go back to Africa so so he knew what he exactly what he was doing each took the political opportunity and here we are Scott. I mean you know whether it works or not and clearly if the goal is to motivate his base at least right now in the short timeframe it is working. Are you comfortable with him. Um You know telling you know people of Color Brown and black to go back where they came from to the country they came from when they're born here. In the United States of America what I think the president is doing is trying to take the attention off the presidential candidates and put the attention on people in the Democratic Party that he thinks are going to give him the brightest line between his message and what he wants to run a guest host yeah he wants to run against the socialist the radical change you know the the the policies that the four women represent he thinks this gives him the best chance to not just hold his base together. We talked a lot about the base but for the people who you know maybe our little bit centre-right that maybe they stuck with them last time. Maybe they didn't but maybe they're not comfortable such radical economic change in the country. I think making them in look. What's happened this week? Where Comma Harris where's Joe Biden whereas Mayor Pete they're not on T._v.? The people who were on T._v. this week well are the squad and Nancy Pelosi. WHO's trying to hold them back and so so that's that's frankly a battle okay? That's an interesting point and Karen to that point right that he's trying to say they're going so far left. They're going off a cliff and trying to define the party by those four congresswoman as opposed to by the people who are running for president here is one of them one of the four women Yana Presley this morning talking about President trump here she is we can talk about in spin out on Hayes about hateful words age which are predictable prompt by the occupant of this White House and I call him that not because I don't have respect for the Oval Office but respect for the Oval Office when the President of the United States the occupant because he is only occupying the space he does not embody the principles the responsibility the grace the integrity of a true president so so Karen. Is that a problem too you have someone saying I won't even call president trump the president no not at all frankly a lot of Americans have done that from day one frankly and unfortunately time and time again this president has shown a real lack of understanding of grace of appreciation and respect for the office of the President So do you think Democrats want to be defined by by by people who hold public office who refused to call the president the president is that they want to be defined by but that's not who were defined signed by that is a narrative. That's not who were defined by. I mean the president doesn't get to decide who defines the Democratic Party me you know Dan Kildee who you just had on is part of the Democratic Party. John Lewis is part of the Democratic Party mean these four women represent a part of the party and I think we also remember what he's doing. Remember that Johan Omar when it she didn't realize what she had said was a racist trope and anti Semitic trope when she realized that she apologize we've never heard that from president trump and the other issues that these women are working on gun safety measures think people with credit card issues. My point is you can't just cherry pick what the what who they are and what they're about and say Thou parties. I hear you. I hear you but I have to say if you're GONNA come out and say you won't call the president the president and you can say a whole lot of really substantive thoughtful. Things and people are going to hear that louder than anything else they just are. We all know that and Scott you smile because that is mono- to the Republican ears certainly to this president ears absolutely look when Barack Obama was president and I called him President Obama. I'll call Nancy Pelosi Speaker Pelosi. I call me old-fashioned but I tend to respect people who've won elections and who have been bestowed these responsibilities but if you want to roll that beautiful bean footage and let them fight over whether we're GONNA call Donald trump the president president or not that's fine because that's not gonna sound reasonable to the average American voter and Middle America and remember all Donald Trump has to do is win the states he won last time and can even lose a couple of pain the white I'm not point and that point. I WANNA ask both you about this because he is focusing like delays on states he won but barely so right Karen. I mean ones that are just so close. He's named dropping these swing states every single time he can to say. Look I care about them. Campaign rallies like the one he's at right now. He is making sure everybody knows what he's focused on right. You know look a- and here's the problem trump has not in any way shape or form grown his electric grown his base right when the way you win elections in this country you have to figure out who who are your voters and then you gotta usually grow that electric. If anything and we talked talked about this with Caitlin he's probably shrinking because we know those independence and those Republicans who last time we're kind of fifty fifty not sure now they know Kellyanne Conway likes to say what offends me is not what affects me and that's kind of their that was their strategy around some of the offensive things that trump would say I think the difference this time is that people understand that it does affect you if the president creates a divisive climate in this country or you know is at war with our our NATO in our friends. So I think it's going to be different this time Scott. Let me just play him because I want everyone to hear it Michigan Ohio Pennsylvania North Carolina South Carolina Florida Florida North North Carolina South Carolina Ohio Ohio Pennsylvania to North Carolina South Carolina Florida and what's the name this special place. It's called Wisconsin Wisconsin. That's where he's going to spend all this time Scott literally just keep saying again and again and do those states yeah absolutely look all he has to do is win what he won and he can even lose a couple of them in still hold the White House. I don't necessarily agree that he's actually has is a shrunken base from last time. If you look at some of the polling that's come out recently. He had his highest number ever in the A._B._C.. News Washington Post poll just a few days ago so actually think he's right to strategize on <hes> focusing on the coalition of states that delivered him the White House thousand again. It's on Democrats to take the states away and he can lose a couple instill win. He made he may lose one or two of them but that won't take the White House away. I would expect him to campaign. In these close states. Look North Carolina's going to be a close state and I'm ladies there tonight all right thank you both very much and then Bernie any sanders saying his healthcare plan could end up costing forty trillion dollars so you gotta give the Guy Credit Putting a massive number out there but the big question is how is he going to pay for it was van Jones traveling to Pennsylvania and he's talking with Americans who say they're standing by trump despite the racist attacks. Do you like a young led do with tattoos and stuff. Why are you support Donald Trump giving some of his racially inflammatory rhetoric remember to create an ad like this one visit pure winning dot com slash C._N._N.? Tonight the fight for twenty twenty Bernie Sanders firing back against Democratic candidates criticizing his Medicare for all plan now here over and over again again from political opponents from the industry. It can't be done. Please do not tell me that fifty five years later with all of the technology that we have that we cannot simply over a four year period expand a successful program that is fifty five years old front now the senior advisor to the Bernie Sanders Campaign Jeff Weaver Jeff good to talk to you again so look Bernie Sanders. I gave them a lot of credit because he comes out with a big idea and he comes out with a big price tag and he's not afraid or trying to obfuscate a beat around the Bush about it. Okay so you guys have acknowledged. This is GONNA cost a lot of money. Sanders himself told The Washington Post that it's going to cost up to forty trillion dollars which double the size of the entire American economy so Joe Biden's plan is like I don't even know not seven hundred and fifty billion dollars over a decade so we are totally totally different things so we'll pass planners over a decade to okay the cellular okay. How do you sell voters on this well? How you saw voters on this Erin is we're going to do away? We already paid the money that we're talking about for this program. We already pay you pay for in your taxes for public employees in for Medicare you you paid premiums you pay and copayments you pay for it in las wages because your employer is paying some of your healthcare costs. We're going to aggregate that money and when you do that that allows you to a few things first of all you can drive down the cost of prescription drugs by fifty percent in this country by price on the way they are our price in other countries for the same product from the same factories you can also eliminate all of the bureaucracy and waste of millions of dollars in c o Con <hes> compensation packages at private health insurers all the bureaucracy. That's created to keep you from getting the healthcare that you've paid for you. Aggregate that money and you can provide healthcare to every person in this country comprehensive healthcare for less than we're spending now. We're GONNA save two to five trillion dollars. The question is not how can you afford this. How can you afford what we're going to have otherwise is and every other candidate whether it's Joe Biden or Kamala Harris or anybody else they just want to throw more money into this problem without dealing with the structural dysfunction in the healthcare system? I I just you know look I. I understand what you're saying and you gotta think big but I mean you just take companies one little thing they use your said they're Jeffrey. They just got big tax cut and we were told that that was gonna go into wages and it didn't so now it's saying they're going to save money on healthcare and that's going to go into higher wages. Call me dubious well. There are ways enforce that let's be clear right if that's your interests the truth matters is that the Republican tax bill was always designed to be a giveaway too big corporations into wealthy. People trump has really interested in working class people getting a wage increase. Let's be clear about that all right so Kamala Harris has said that as part of her Medicare for all plan. There's going to be no middle class plus tax hike and I understand you're saying okay. There might be but it's going to get to you're going to save money and other ways so it's not really that but she's saying absolutely not. She spoke exclusively last night. Talk Hang on this show and here's what she said. Senator Sanders says that that is impossible able to achieve without a middle class tax hike. I'm not prepared to engage in the middle class tax hike the rules have been written against middle class in working families for far too long and it is not necessary that they'd be taxed even more. What do you say to Kamala Harris? Well what I say Tacoma Harris's the average American family is going to be saving three thousand dollars a year in total healthcare expenditures Aaron if you if you pay two hundred for your electric bill and I cannot provide it to you for one fifty might taxing you one fifty what I've just saved do fifty dollars. The tax increase is going to be less than the savings absolutely cash absolutely and the reason the reason for that is we're ringing out all of this fraud and waste and abuse that is driven by the fact you have a healthcare financing system and we're not talking about this is a healthcare insurance program National Healthcare Insurance Program. This program is going to do away with the bureaucracy and all of the <hes> overpayment of to Dr not to doctors to <hes> health executives and to a pharmaceutical company executive. That's what we gotta ring out of this system. Actually we're GONNA be able to pay healthcare. Providers better frankly all right so emory university chair of Health Policy Kenneth Thorpe says the tax hikes are going to be enormous he was saying you're GONNA have sales tax increases <hes> to get to your thirty to forty trillion trillion dollars. People on Medicare and Medicaid are GONNA stay more in taxes than their current premiums small business owners currently not paying premiums are going to start paying more on the list went on and on and on even a conservative economic think-tank who's analyze medicare for all says the country will spend and less on healthcare under Medicare for all then if we don't go in that direction so the economics of this are quite clear. The question is do people have and why did you say there's a cost of forty trillion and I'm just trying to get around and even politically right if you're saying we're going to save money. Why is the number? You're acknowledging that it's GONNA cost forty trillion. You should be putting out. It's going to say five trillion well. We were that number out. You know that's not the number that folks choose to highlight our opponents. What they want to say is that this is a big increase in spending and I'm just saying Sanders did tell the Washington Post costs up to forty trillion dollars himself said the best of course as a federal expenditure but in terms of national expenditure on healthcare it will actually be less than we will spend otherwise they savings for the economy jeff before we go our new C._N._N.? Poll of New Hampshire Shows Joe Biden at Twenty Four Percent Warren Bernie Sanders both at nineteen percent so within the margin of error for Joe Biden combined win this race by trying to divide and conquer between Your candidate and Senator Warren No. I don't think that he can frankly and I'll and I'll tell you why when you look analyze all the public polling and obviously a bunch of us have private bowling as well <hes> Bernie Sanders Coalition of voters <hes> is <hes> much more diverse event Elizabeth Warren and as much more working class <hes> and he can put together that type of coalition which is unique. We're going to bring in a lot more of voters this time <hes> that are not being screened out in these polls the way we did last time when we brought out an additional fifty five thousand people in Iowa over what was expected <hes> by the pollsters so you know Bernie Sanders appeals to a lot of folks who aren't usually counted usually count it out and left out and that's what this campaign is going to on the ground in Hampshire in Iowa and other places. Definitely I appreciate your time. Thanks thank you glad to be here and next Van Jones travels to the key state of Pennsylvania talking to voters voters who voted for trump and what now could what he found spell trouble for trump for a lot of my friends that are black conservatives. <hes> a lot of them have <hes> jumped off the trump train us. We now know who is in and WHO's out when it comes to C._N._N.'s upcoming democratic debate the right sheets can take your sleep and your style to the next level with Bollandbranch. 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To tonight the battle for Pennsylvania so it's a must-win right president trump one Pennsylvania by less than a percentage point last time around and look gotta pull it off this time pretty much almost for sure so how voters there feel about him right now and those races tweets Van Jones was just there today this morning and he found out so hands who voted for Donald Trump in two thousand sixteen raise your hand too so let me focus on you to are you planning to vote for Donald Trump in twenty twenty well. I haven't made up my mind and yet none of them. A nod I am leaning more towards them and then the other candidates right now <hes> the economic situation from me and my business is going very well so economics is a big important issue and what about are you. I am all this kind of this far left. Talk is kind of scaring me when it comes to the border so let's just often in a room you like a young Ledoux tattoos and stuff. Why are you support? Donald Trump give racially racially inflammatory rhetoric yeah. Why thinks look I mean I was raised in a conservative family and I'm in business? I'm business consultant and businesses great. I don't WanNa lose that you know and I know that you know a lot of the the rhetoric that comes out of the White House off twitter is concerning but putting personal feelings aside. I think that we're having a great economic boom. I mean people are risking their lives to come here how. Any size up this whole thing where he we're president. Trump comes out and says to these women go back to you whatever country you came from a man in desperation. He's desperate to be president the only person he cares there's about himself. He wrote in on the coattails of Obama. If you think it was any other thing you know you believe in Easter Bunny and Santa Claus. That's the way I see it. I don't believe in Easter Bunny a Santa Claus. Almost everyone has a story worry of being told go back to your country and I think that it's kind of like one of the oldest trick than the book. If it comes to freeze ideology maybe outside of the N. Word that that comes to mind when you're talking about racist I language people when I moved into Pennsylvania said Oh you're a New Yorker. We'll let you go back to New York where you belong. Those are just human emotion. Remarks and people are frustrated and they are frustrated. He's frustrated from the very beginning. They UH attacked him his family his wife his kids. It's disgusting. It really is just go back to values I value treating people with dignity and if there's anything that is incongruent with those values then I'm not for that and so I'm not gonNA put profit over my values you put in your profit over your values. That will look. I think I think that this this go back. Comment hit hit a lot of us that support him hit a lot of the gut and I think that the president is putting a lot of us in a very precarious situation I think the president has a base and he has a far right-wing base and there's a lot of white nationalists racists a lot of anti-semites in that base so what I'm going to do is I am going to have a P._R.. Strategy that is going to row up the base and so I feel like a lot of his feel like wow like where where do we we fit in anymore do we are we still welcome in this movement or we people have college to welcome so a lot of us are are still reeling from that comment and I'll tell you a lot of my friends that are black conservatives. <hes> a lot of them have jumped. I'M DONALD TRUMP train. <hes> they've gone over to Camel Harris's side. They've they've got involved in her campaign and also Joe Biden's certainly here in the Commonwealth of Pennsylvania that was an incredible conversation so so he saying a lot of his friends have gotten enough not just conservative onto not not just off the trump team but onto someone else's trained things but amazing that he's saying I'm not sure if I'm welcome here and if anyone of color is welcome but he's still voting for him. As of now I mean I don't I think I understood until I got there. The way this thing has landed like a bomb this for those kinds of trump voters trump who basically I'm a business guy. My businesses going great. I don't want to change. I'm scared to go economic. The guy wasn't economic guy but I'm African American and you know this last round has pushed some of his fellow black and services away and so I think we've got a lot going on here in swing states. I want to go back. I related to especially so that other guys said Oh. I was told to go back to New York. which you know doesn't understand all right? Thank you very much van and you can see more conversation on the Van Jones show Saturday at seven o'clock and next center Kamala Harris surging in her home state of California so could this trouble for Joe Biden plus genius trump's go to line when it comes to at least a few of his favorite things plus tonight. It's a very special night in our nation and frankly much bigger than the entire world history fifty years ago that during this hour the astronauts you're not too soon to be the first people to walk on the surface of the moon began their first color telecasts from space. Here's outs captured in our film Apollo Eleven Goldstone reports. They're receiving T._v.. From this confirm that one hundred thirty mile sports got up in a main meals and then academy in but the camera word now heading any bank me nervous Arabicon thing we did be with US sixty one. We do happy N._p._R.. Plenty of room for Apollo Eleven News presently one hundred thirty one thousand nautical miles from Earth space craft slowly rotates to maintain the thermal balance like Mike. We got a good P._p.. Going at a good night from the white team okay okay Anamar in the morning all of it at Monacans upon every year over six hundred thousand people enter prison-gates in American go behind the numbers of mass incarceration in America with me Van Jones on my new podcast incarceration INC binge the entire season of incarceration INC now at Apple podcasts brought to you by Ziprecruiter Start Your free trial well today at Ziprecruiter Dot com slash van Jones Ziprecruiter the smartest way to hire the C._N._n.. Debates are just two weeks away and now we know who made the cut the D._n._c. confirming just read it really really fast people. There's twenty of them still taking the debate stage. The new face that was the Montana Governor Steve Bullock will take Eric's while while spot because swallow got out of the race out Front Patrick Healey New York Times politics editor and C._N._N.. Political analysts that I leave it up enough read every okay look. There's still a lot of people on the debate and it's going a start up pretty soon after that. I'm going to thin out a little bit okay. So who are you watching the closest for this one. It's definitely going to be Joe. Biden and Kamala Harris Man I think they created the big change dynamic in the last debate biden because he it didn't seem to know or sort of grapple with how to respond to Kamala Harris and Harris because the reality is she had a one very scripted. Well rehearsed moment that gave her three million dollars in fundraising poll breakthrough the question worship Ken she capitalize it because you know some of the moderators are going to be pressing her on details about what she actually stands for most of the question. Is You know Ken. She come into a debate and create another moment for herself. That isn't simply a scripted wind up moment moment right and that of course is is the big challenge. I'm look. She's getting some good news in her home state of California so we've got a new poll twenty three percent statistically she's ahead statistically it's still today because of the margin of error but back in April Biden was ahead in California now you can. I'd say oh it's her state. She should be doing well or you could say oh he was winning and now she seems to be rising. What's the way to look at it? Yeah it's definitely a mixed bag for Biden. This poll matches some of the others that have brought him down in numbers since the debates wobbly debate bay performance but an interesting thing is biden is still far away ahead of the rest of the field in terms of who do you think and beat president trump in the general election. That's still goes to name I._D.. But that also still goes to a general sense among Democrats Yeah Comfort and also not sure what Warren or or Harris how they could realistically before we go we just got the soundbite in from the president's <hes> rally it used to be lock her up and now there's a new rallying cry in her back. <hes> obviously referring to the congresswoman yeah I mean president trump's race Americans the right the racist says tweets have clearly broken through to the biggest true believers <hes> in the trump base or ready to to turn out and you know come up with a chance that just it just goes deeper and deeper into how our politics of so changed the that racism is expressed but someone who's a United States citizen can become a rallying cry at a rally just very disturbing and next genie most on president trump making his feelings known on everything from Biden to bitcoin not a fan. I was not a fan of his. I'm not a fan UEFA. Champions League winners liber fool are touring the world this summer stream all seven matches on we are live July eleven thirty first Jenkins. Don't Mrs Second of the Action V._R.. Live the home of Liverpool night. Trump is a fan of some things but there are some exceptions well. Here's Janey mouse. President trump is the opposite of a fan boy obsessively not being a fan the other day it was Guatemala Honduras of not a fan before that it was Jeffrey Epstein Steam. I was not a fan of his that I can tell you and before that it was the British ambassador who called president trump inept in week cables from Joe Biden so I'm not a fan to bitcoin president trump says he is not a fan of bitcoin. It doesn't bother him a bit to use the word fan to distance himself even from the Vietnam War while I was never a fan of that war I'll be honest with you and the president isn't shy about saying thing is not a fan to the face of the person is not a fan of for instance when N._B._C.'s Peter Alexander stood up for C._N._N.'s. Jim Acosta is a diligent reporter fan of yours either so I understand to be honest when designer Tom Ford Ford said he wouldn't be dressing Malania. She's not necessarily my image who got unfair band. I'm not a fan of Tom. Ford never had been. I was never a fan of John McCain and I never will be no one of McCain's good friends fan the flames tweeting okay. You aren't a fan one more in a long list of things you are not honest brave smart etc and while it's usually humans like Samuel Jackson the get not a fan first wife Ivanka trump wrote that donald was not a dog fan I would I look walking the dog or the White House Lord with that but there are few things that president trump is a fan of the big fan of Winston Churchill. He's a big fan of the American can women's soccer team if not Megan repea- no he's a big fan of history. I am a big Fan of Hindu and I'm a big Fan of India big big fan though they seem vastly outnumbered by non favorites of not a fan genie most C._N._n.. I was not a fan of his. I never will be New York. I'm a fan of new thanks for joining us. Henderson starts.

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"Good evening and welcome to chicago tonight. I'm peres shots. And i'm brandon friedman on the show tonight ready on day one well president-elect biden symbols. His team congress is working on the next stimulus. Package is biden says moore. Becoming help is really right around the corner. Grown vaccine may soon be on. Its way the fda's vaccine advisory committee prepares to meet on what one member will. Be looking for from visors presentations. Even the cable companies are saying. We're going to give you some of your money back. Could help insurers be next. A new bill targets medicaid. Money chicago tonight. Has the exclusive story state has suffered under crop leadership giving voters more power by allowing them to recall elected officials miss going to gym class and miss the teachers how neighbors in different communities are stepping up to help students with remote learning for parents who can't work from home learn about our winter biking guides. That'll keep you cycling safely and comfortably year. Round and local plants shops with the green in greenery as their businesses blossomed during the pandemic. But first some of today's top stories another large gathering was shut down and wicker park this past weekend for violating cova related rules. The one hundred forty two person event was billed as the wicker loft and investigators found no social distancing or face coverings hit the hosts of the party with multiple citations for egregiously violating covid nineteen regulations as well as cease and desist. Orders for operating illegal. Unlicensed club officials. also hit lady alderman. Tom tunney with two citations for allowing diners to eat inside his restaurant and slather which defied a ban from the governor on indoor dining. He could face fines up to fifteen thousand dollars. The city says it has cited three hundred and forty four businesses for violating covid nineteen regulations since march illinois health officials. Confirm more than seventy nine hundred new cases of the coronavirus today. Plus one hundred and forty five deaths that brings the state to a total of more than eight hundred four thousand cases and thirteen thousand four hundred and eighty seven deaths. The state test positivity rate is eleven point eight percent and travelers and employees at o'hare and midway airports may soon have access to covid nineteen tests. The chicago department of aviation plans to start testing. Next week they'll provide both the pcr tests and the rapid test and similar to a clinic. You can provide insurance or pay. Cash test will be administered. Only to those who can show proof of airport. Employment have a ticket to fly within seventy two hours or flew into chicago. No more than five days earlier and now to paris with local members of congress paris brandis in the waning leaks. The lame duck session. Congress has working on the next covid stimulus bill as well as trying to avoid another government shutdown here to talk about that as well as vaccine distribution and the biden transition are congresswoman robin kelly. A democrat representing illinois's second district which includes parts of chicago's far southeast side in southern suburbs congressman raja krishnamoorthi a democrat representing illinois's eighth district and that includes elgin schaumburg and congressman brad schneider a democrat representing illinois's tense district which covers a portion of chicago's northern suburbs in cook and lake counties and schneider is a member of the bipartisan group caucus on that stimulus. Bill and congressman. Hey sues chewy garcia who represents illinois fourth district and that includes parts of the northwest and southwest sides of chicago. We invited every republican member of the illinois congressional delegation. None have accepted our invitation. But we do. Thank you all for joining us up. First congresswoman kelly illinois could get. Its first shipment of the pfizer vaccine next week. How many vaccines will the state get. And how long will this roll out last. I'm not sure how many i can't remember the number how many the state will gadd. But i know that we're one of the hugs to receive the vaccine. I was speaking with mayor life about it today. Actually as well as new york and to other places and congressman Krishnamoorthi report that. The president turned down. Pfizer's early offer to sell more than that. Initial hundred million batch of vaccines is that going to hurt distribution at all well. It's it's an unwelcome fact that we could have bought more vaccines to inoculate three hundred thirty million people. Instead we bought about one hundred million at the time and i've called for more transparency on the dealmaking surrounding the cobaine pandemic procurement by the trump administration. But now we're here and the incoming administration must invoke a tool that the trump administration repeatedly refused to do which is the defense production. Act that particular tool allows the president to command the production uncertain critical resources that are necessary for fighting in a crisis. Such as the one we're in right now and and so Using that We can scale up to the number of doses. We need because we got the entire population to get past this crisis several months. Let's listen to what President-elect biden said recently on the subject there is no detailed plan. We've seen anywhere as to how you get the vaccine out of a into an injection syringe into somebody's arm and it's going to be very difficult for that to be done and it's very expensive proposition. No what's that mean for. The prospects of majority the country getting vaccinated very simply as we need a supply chain control system. This is something that. I've been calling on for the administration going back to february. We've seen the consequences of this throughout the summer. And that's why it's so important that we put in place As as president-elect biden said a process to get the vaccine from the manufacturer to the distribution center My understanding is there's gonna be one hundred nine thousand doses coming to illinois in that first round twenty three thousand chicago directly eighty three thousand to a distribution center in peoria. But it's gotta go from the distribution center to the local communities to actual healthcare workers who can put those injections into people's arms and we're looking at video. Sorry congressman looking video from an injection here first of vaccinations in the uk. A congressman garcia. I wanna move toward these vermillion compromise proposal. That's out there. Direct payments to. Americans are not in that bill will that not make the final cut Cardis day we have not seen the details of what is in the nine hundred and eight million dollar. A billion dollar across each data is being used as a starting point in the conversation. But you know it's very clear that since the start of the pandemic people have received twelve hundred dollars while corporations got hundreds of millions and many large companies benefited through the payroll protection program so in illinois. We're getting ready to see. Potentially up to half a million people lose their unemployment benefits right. After christmas and nationally about sixteen and a half million people out could be out of a job as well and without unemployment benefits congressman schneider. You've been part of this Bipartisan problem solvers caucus to come up with this compromise. Where do negotiations stand right now for what we heard from. Senator mcconnell is he wants to get rid of the funding for state. Local governments and then republicans would give up the liability protections for corporations mcconnell's ignoring the fact that our state local governments are really struggling. They're in the position of of not filling positions Looking at laying off people coming in central services at a time where they're being expected to deliver the vaccine. We've got to support our local governments. Give them the resources to take care of their their residents our constituents in the midst of this pandemic the light is at the end of the tunnel. We see the vaccines coming. But it's gonna be a long tunnel. We need to make sure that the states out sold. We can't give up on that. We've been working on that. I was cares act. There was funding in the heroes. Act in may heroes to in september and here. We are in december cases spiking across the country and mitch. Mcconnell wants to let essentially our communities go bankrupt as he said before or stage go bankrupt and the people in those states suffer in the pandemic congresswoman kelly. Do you believe there will be a final agreement on at least a narrow stimulus bill before the biden administration takes hold i do. I'm an optimist. And i do believe that the problem solvers on the right track and they do have a good things in it. You know there is money right now with state and local government. There's money course locked business. The extensions that are needed as far as the fiction. Moratorium I don't think anybody a no matter where you represent. I'm not speaking of mitch. Mcconnell can be for him want to see people out on the streets. I mean it's the holiday season people don't have food into so many food distributions at i don't think members of congress or the senate wanna see people suffer To that degree they know that we absolutely have to do something congressman krishnamurthy's even if this does get passed most economists that we've talked to on both sides of the. I'll say it won't be enough to to keep from an economic slide. So what would an additional stimulus Administration half to look like and what could get passed in congress to you believe you're correct about ten million people. Unemployed and in illinois alone are restaurants Fifty percent of restaurants are gonna close in six months. If they don't get additional aid. I think under an incoming buying an administration if we can get a smaller stimulus package passed now. I think what we're going to need is we're going to need again. Continued unemployment benefits. We're going to need continued payroll protection program money. Ppp money for small businesses. But we need direct checks to families. This is essential. We have to remember that a lot of these folks are seeing increased expenses right now at the very time that we're seeing soft economy for instance. A lot of people are having to take care of their children at home or figure out ways to deal with childcare expenses that they didn't anticipate because our schools closed so these are the types of things. We have to be very practical about right now because we need to open up the economy even at the same time. We're back stating the population. And we gotta get past this economic crisis. We cannot deliver a lump of coal around the holidays for the american people. All right and there was a direct checks to individuals again. Not part of the negotiation. So far we're have to leave it there right now and again. We invited every republican member of the illinois congressional delegation. None accepted our invitation will be joined again by these members of congress a little later in the program to discuss defense dhaka and the failure of most republicans to recognize president. Elect biden has the election winner. But for now. Our thanks to congressman. Kelly krishnamurthy's schneider and garcia and now fill and a member of the fda's vaccine advisory committee phil paris's. We heard earlier. The united kingdom began distributing pfizer's coronavirus vaccine to citizens today and the us may soon follow the food and drug administration released documents today confirming pfizer's data finding the vaccine to meet standards for emergency use authorization and fda advisory committee will meet on thursday to discuss the data and their recommendations and the agency's decision on whether to grant authorisation is expected within days of that meeting joining us on what to look for during thursday's meeting. Dr are shanna chatterjee chatterjee. She serves on the fda's vaccines and related biological products advisory committee and she's the dean of the chicago medical school at rosalind franklin university of medicine and science in north chicago. Dr chatterjee thank you so much for joining us first of all. Could you briefly describe what your committee does. Does i imagine. It's not a committee that a lot of people have heard about. That's true phil. We interview data submitted by the sponsors. Which is the vaccine manufacturers a evaluate the efficacy and safety of The trial data that the trial data show and then make recommendations after discussion and voting make recommendations to the fda on whether to approve or not approve of the vaccine licensure or approval in this case and also whether there are additional studies needed etcetera. My understanding is that members of this committee have to fill out a conflict of interest form. Is that well. You want to make sure that this advisory committee which is composed of experts in the field of analogy ethics immunology at several are completely independent of the process of the development of these products and so in order to ensure that independence. Gunfight of interest has to review carefully as we mentioned today. The fda reported that their own scientists found the vaccine to be safe and effective. Why is it necessary for your committee to weigh in. I think it's very odd. At first our committee has been in existence of this specific sleep apnea many decades before before combing ever came along and the bitty is charged with reviewing independently reviewing it that are submitted by the manufacturers of the committee. Is billy to be independent of the actors but also of the government and particularly this year end with the cohen. Vaccines all of the concerns. That have been raised around. You know influence from the government in trying to move these vaccines long in development ending. It's particularly important that our committee is seen as the independent group that it is of a vaccine immunologists other experts as well as a community member who sits on our committee to ensure that independence. So your committee meets on thursday. Let's say that you approve it. What happens next. We don't actually approved. We recommend approval to the fda. The fda has publicly stated that they will accept our recommendations We will also perhaps make recommendations for additional studies and that may be needed or additional data. That may be needed. The fda takes all of that inflammation and abuse. It will make the decision based on those recommendations that we make and then away dr as you know there are concerns that this whole process has been so expedited not just the development of the vaccine but the approval process. Some people are concerned about that. Your response i would say we are in an extraordinary time. I don't think this is overstating it There is a pandemic that is impacting around the globe having a devastating effect on health systems on people's lives and livelihoods and there are literally people getting sick and dying every minute of the day so we are faced with a true of held isis mobile portions in the face of that. We have to look at what we can do to this pandemic and public health measures that have been put in place you know for many months now and had mixed impact in some areas have been very effective than others not as much So the next step then in controlling this is to try to develop a vaccine and it is true that the development effort has moved forward at a very rapid as as has the approval mechanism. however it's important to note the steps in in that process have for the most part been followed. There are some steps that are different with this emergency use authorization mechanism as opposed to a biologic pleasant application. Which is the usual way. That vaccines are licensed. That's really the the primary difference in terms of the process shattered chatterjee. Thank you so much for this update and good luck on good. Look at your meeting on thursday very much appreciate it. Thank you very much and up next to chicago. Tonight exclusive details on a proposal aimed at getting billions of tax dollars back from insurance companies. So stay with us. Coverage of science and technology on chicago tonight is made possible in part by joel m friedman president of the elven h-bomb family fund. It's no secret that illinois is having major budget difficulties due partly to the covid nineteen pandemic illinois pays billions of dollars into the state and federally funded medicaid program covering more than two million residents. Chicago tonight has learned exclusively that a group of lawmakers plans to demand billions of dollars back from private healthcare companies that run illinois medicaid program. Paris is back with more on that story. Paris brand is this is a proposal that couldn't at three billion dollars into state tax coffers so what some lawmakers are seeing is that it's time for private health insurance companies that have seen big profits and co since cova began to make sacrifices for state tax payers and to put this in perspective brandis illinois gives billions of dollars as you mentioned to managed care organizations to run the medicaid program and that is the health insurance that covers as you mentioned about two million low income state residents now a state senator and representative plan to file a bill tomorrow in the illinois general assembly that would in effect give the state the ability to claw back twenty percent of that money from these organizations during a disaster declaration which illinois is under right now. Governor pritzker did declared disaster for cogan march ninth and the provision in. This money is to re in this. Bill is to redirect that money from the insurance companies to critical care and safety net hospitals like mercy hospital in brownsville. That are in danger of closing because of underfunding now democratic state representative fred. Crespo says he believes these. Healthcare companies can't afford to give back. Hospitals have been doing a services that they normally do. Let the surgery. Doctors at night opened their offices so costs had gone out so the plan here to say he. We should at least take back. Twenty percent. other prophets redirect back other medicaid expenses. They could stay has so. We're take twenty percent of the profits from these organizations. Here are the companies that run medicaid managed care in illinois. Most of them are private. Healthcare companies like meridian. They enroll about eight hundred thousand Enroll ease blue cross blue shield about three hundred ninety one thousand and then there's county care which is actually run by the cook county health system and then on down the line you see there known the second quarter of twenty twenty alone. The parent company blue cross blue shield saw two billion dollars in profits doubled. It perform its performance from last year. So peoria state. Senator dave taylor says health. Insurers should follow the lead of other companies and other industries that have offered rebates in this pandemic take the auto insurance industry. They're giving rebates back to their customers because people just aren't driving as much are we see that Property and casualty. Insurers are doing the same thing even the cable companies are saying. We're going to give you some of your money back You know you're the phone companies. There's a lot of industries that have already sept- The pattern for this to say. Hey let's help people out. During a pandemic in perez. Kansas state legally just demand this money back from the insurance companies. Even if they're contracted to pay certain amount well these lawmakers believe they can if it becomes law and the governor signed this bill. Although they wouldn't be surprised they say if these insurance companies decided to sue and say well we have a contract. It's supposed to pay a certain amount Disaster declaration or not and meanwhile the ceo of the illinois association of medicaid providers. Say they oppose this plan and say there are already provision to give states the illinois. The money back should there be fewer insurance claims or should cost go up and health care. Costs decrease significantly there is already provision in the contract where the health plans would return dollars to the state on the they could use to Invest in education or other funding sources but to be really clear perez. We're not seen decreasing utilization and we're not seeing a decrease in healthcare costs to the level. You know anywhere near twenty percent pierce. Is it unusual that illinois basically outsources oldest medicaid to private companies. Like this was. It's an evolution. That's happened brand over the last ten years or so. It's the cavs that some lawmakers want to open some don't want open With the state used to provide a more traditional medicaid service where it's fee for service and the state runs it under governor quinn and then under governor rounder. It moved to this current model where it pays a lump sum to these organizations to run an hmo style plan for the medicaid recipients and it has been met with controversy a twenty eighteen state inspector general audit found that the state was not keeping track of billions of dollars it gave to these companies didn't track. How much was paid out for claims. It didn't track what claims were denied. And it didn't track administrative costs among others. No brass last year. According to numbers from the state controller's office illinois paid sixteen billion dollars to these managed care organizations on track to do that a little bit less than that this year but if that holds up that means under this proposal the state could see three billion dollars or more come back into state tax. Coffers gray exclusive reporting from parachutes. Thank you for the last three months of this school year. Chicago public school parents have had to cobble together. A variety of ways to be sure their kids are participating in remote learning for many. It means juggling working from home while also being their child's teacher but for those who cannot work from home there are few options revisited. A couple of those options community organizations providing families with remote learning. Help meet manny johnson. He's cheeks full of personality and learning spanish does could collect negotiate or whoever. Da's the six year old is in kindergarten at whittier dual language magnet school near pilsen but instead of attending classes in the school. He's learning remotely along with three hundred and forty one thousand other chicago public school students. Jada humphry is in seventh grade at learn eight middle. School and time is not going to be a lot of people at home. And i could stay home. I myself so they just want me to come here. I like coming here. Here is at breakthrough urban ministries student achievement program. The typical after school program has been expanded to include daytime remote learning support for sixty students grouped into pods of ten in this second and third grade classroom. Teachers are juggling schedules from six different elementary schools and ten different teachers associate director on a piper says her has become a go-between for schools and families are teachers here. Communicate with the teachers on a daily basis Asking okay it's their turned into to get it. Sorry they're running late and just kind of checking in with teacher to make sure everything is okay on their end. Piper says in the days of remote learning students struggled social emotionally with the adjustment almost like shorter fuses. Kids were getting irritated. Quicker and crying faster and just having a shorter span to deal with difficult things or to have stamina to make it through the day. Many of the students parents are essential workers. As the case in auburn gresham where community activists taymor manasseh converted old shipping containers into the mask on the block academy to support students and families foam the instacart drivers you had. The uber eats delivery people. You have the people stock the shelves at mario's and walgreens and so now they're faced with either. They don't lower neighbors their jobs or they re the kids home alone. That's i mean that's an what kind of choices that manasseh fears a widening of the achievement. Gap that already exists between black and brown students and white students in cps cps leadership points to that expanding gap as it rolls out plans to reopen schools. First quarter data from the district shows. Attendance among black students dropped by five percent. Compared to the district wide two point nine percent the most of any ethnic group and black and latino students saw the largest increase in failing grades from two point three percent of black elementary students last year to six point six percent this year for latino students an increase from two point one to five point two percent manasseh fears one crisis but getting another. Kobe has created and astronomical down in healthcare prices down right but on the other side of this educational crisis unlike anything as ever seen before now despite objections from the chicago teachers union. Cps is pushing ahead with plans to phase in a reopening of schools in early january families had until yesterday tell the district whether they intend to return. There's no word yet from the district on when it will have a final count of how many students opted in and we still have much more to come on chicago tonight. Let's see if they have the courage. What illinois congress members think about president trump's relentless campaign pushing republicans to dispute the election results should illinois allow re officials to be recalled from office. A look at giving voters more power by allowing them to recall elected officials. Planning to ride your bike for the first time this winter we'll have recommendations on essential gear and bike maintenance and talk about growth industries sales of house. Plants at local shops are flourishing as people have more time to spend caring for them at home but i more today's top stories. Illinois officials. say the first shipment of covid nineteen vaccine will be coming next week. We are expecting that scene next week. And then we expect vaccine every week after and again depending on which vaccines are approved. We may be looking at pfizer. Initially but hopefully other vaccines will be coming on. We know that the fda is already evaluating for them during vaccine. So it's hard you know. We have numbers but we're waiting to see approvals and waiting to see like finalize numbers which may not be finalized till closer to the time but we are very much looking forward to weekly allocations vaccine to come to the people of illinois officials are expecting one hundred and nine thousand pfizer vaccines to be shipped for the first week after its approval in addition more than seventy nine hundred new cases of the coronavirus today. Plus one hundred and forty five deaths. This brings the state to a total of more than eight hundred. Four thousand cases and thirteen thousand four hundred eighty seven deaths diners in chicago will have a new fee to pay if they use door dash. The company is charging customers a dollar and fifty cents on delivery. Orders in protests over a recent city council decision that limits fees to fifteen percent of the total bill during the pandemic the decision to limit the fees was seen as a way to help restaurants that have been struggling financially door. Dash and other companies have typically charged restaurants twenty five to thirty percent commissions on deliveries and now back to paris with more from members of congress on their reaction to president. Trump's campaign to dispute election results peres brennan earlier in the program. We discussed the next federal stimulus and now joining us. Once again. Our congressman robin. Kelly roger cruz northey brad schneider and chewy garcia. We invited every republican member of the illinois delegation but none accepted our invitation. We are glad that you for here with us So let's talk about Some security funding the national defense authorization. Act the bill that funds military bases pays troops overseas. The president has threatened to veto it. congressman chris. Northey is there a veto proof. Majority here should the president make good on that promise. I think so. And i think that is for vetoing it or appalling and i don't think anybody is going to stand for them. You know. I think that our efforts to remove racism. Unfortunately that marks you even aspects of our Our united states military and armed forces are really important right now more than ever and i think. There's a big bipartisan supermajority. In favor of that and you're referring to the aspect in this bill that would rename military bases named after confederates congresswoman kelly. The trump administration is blocking the pentagon including the defense intelligence agency. The national security agency from meeting with biden's intelligence team reportedly. Are you concerned about how this transition is going right now. With respect to defense very concerned even though there are some things that are happening By and his team are behind because of Trump ninety recognizing still That he wants yes. I am concerned. I oftentimes references made about Bush and nine one how that held up things and caused some problems. We don't want the same thing to happen with. The president elect biden. But now i'm very concerned all right Congressman congressman garcia. Let's move over to another issue in the news. A federal judge recently ruled that The acting homeland security chief did not have the authority to prevent Daca recipients from applying and getting status. What does that mean for the millions of children of undocumented immigrants in the us right now that are concerned about their status and congressman. I think you're mute. We have to new. You is the tenth anniversary when immigrant you'd organize and push congress to pass the dream act. That happened in the senate. It didn't happen in the house but this week. Dhs announced that it will begin. Accepting new dot guy out the -cations the first time since two thousand seventeen thousands of young people have been waiting in limbo forward three years to access this program living in fear of deportation. And what future they may have. The court ruling is an important victory but yet another reminder of the need for permanent legislative solution. It's a first step and it's needed. But biden harris administration cannot stop there. They must address the rampant in cruel enforcement rates in our neighborhoods the reunification of separated children the trump white house and of course the needed access to social safety nets that undocumented immigrants desperately need especially independent pandemics especially with respect to access to the vaccine and to that effect a congressman schneider. The biden harris administration has promised action on immigration in. Its first one hundred days. What realistically will an immigration proposal. Look like in the next congress and under the next administration what. I can do something that can to. The comprehensive immigration reform passed the senate two thousand thirteen with sixty eight votes I helped introduce that bill in the house in two thousand thirteen hundred. Eighty cosponsors I think we can get broad support for that. If it will be allowed to come for a vote. I don't come in the house. It depends what A mcconnell will in the senate but we desperately need immigration reform Choice said we that daca ruling confidence to those hundreds of thousands of young people some not so young to finish school finish the military military service and are now integrated in our workforce in some cases evening leading companies or divisions a part of our economy. We need immigration reform for condominium communities and we need for the people who live in. Those communities are congressman that christian worth they want to get back to this strange transition process. Looks like only one of your republican colleagues. In illinois congressman. Adam kindergarten has formally recognized Biden as the president elect. And you have some of your. Gop colleagues openly talking about challenging the electoral college vote on january six. When it comes to congress just curious your reaction to all these baseless claims and this process that just continues to be drawn out. It's disgraceful. I can't think of another word You know regardless of who the president has been in the past whether it was a democrat or a republican the The predecessor was very graceful. And making sure that there was a smooth transition for his successor and in this case. That's not the that's not the fact and what we face because of that are increased risk on the national security fronts As we alluded to before but also of trust in our democratic system. I'm and i think when we tell the rest of the world that they should adopt a democratic form of government but here we have a lot of people who are questioning and indeed attacking fellow. Republicans were certifying elections left and right state after state. I think it does hurt our democracy but it also hurts our image around the world and congresswoman. Kelly me hear all these stories of folks saying off the record or closed doors. Many republicans acknowledged the victory Do you hear stuff like that from your colleagues to explain to you why this is happening honestly. I have not heard that for my colleagues. I'm extremely disappointed in my republican colleagues. That they're not speaking of. But actually that's what we've been dealing with the last four years very few of spoken up of what they know is the right thing to do. They've just gone along with the trump program. And that's what they're doing right now. It's it's it's embarrassing. Frankly all right. It may help explain how why none of our counterparts across the aisle agreed to be on the show tonight. The washington post tried to contact many republicans Many turn them down. We have to leave it there so much to get to but our thanks tonight congresswoman robin kelly raja krishnamoorthi brad schneider and hey chewy garcia thank you thank you thank you. And they'll brandis we go back to you perez thank you. Are you tired of politics as usual. A pair of lawmakers say there is a way to keep officials on their toes allowing voters to recall them and he joins us now to explain. Amanda brenda's illuminate actually already does have the ability to recall at least a one elected official mid-term now to annoy governor voters in two thousand ten approved an amendment to the constitution that gives a pathway to recall a sitting governor it was at the urging of then governor pat quinn who taken over. After his predecessor rod blagojevich was arrested in june then removed from office but state senator. Jason berkman says that recall provision is basically toothless. It's in name only no one would be able to use it. It's nearly impossible to us. So we're change. We're proposing to change that here again but quip citizens with the tools they need. Told public officials accountable. The recall process only had no is complicated. It requires a significant number of illinois's electric to sign on in voters must have what critics have called a permission slip. It has to be signed off on by a bipartisan group of sitting state representatives and senators. Now send berkman and representative mark. Batson of plainfield both republicans say they want to make it easier and may also want to change the constitution to allow for all other statewide elected officials to be recalled as well as all state legislators and local officials that nick says he can think of situations at every level of government where there's corruption but he says what's going on now with illinois house speaker. Michael madigan is most salient. The politicians need to start looking over their shoulder a little bit. And when you have somebody. The speaker literally is not accountable to very to to the people the statement people. That has a lot of control over. I think that's a problem. So this recall process at least gives the the voters in the citizens of illinois a tool to change direction of state government when it's controlled by by somebody like speaker madigan whether it be now or in the future. We know the broad parameters of the process that they want to move to but it is still unclear how this would actually work whether it is legal ruling. It's unlikely it's ever going to get to that point. Lawmakers notoriously reticent to pass any sort of measure that could imperil their own political futures plus illinois gubernatorial recall provision was designed to be strict and narrow so that it wouldn't be too easy to throw government upheaval or to provide enticement for officials to power to popular public opinion during hard times. Like now all there are those who believe that governor. Gb pritzker his done a commendable job navigating illinois through the coronavirus pandemic others are furious about the heavy hand that he has taken in the restrictions that he's imposed order recently asked a question at one of pritzker. Daily corona virus briefings about whether his job is in jeopardy. You recently talked about midwest governors and now. The governor of ohio is facing possible impeachment because of orders similar to yours. How close are you to being impeached. Is that a real question. I don't know how to answer that. I look You know have a strong approval rating in the state. I think i've done a good job. I know that there are people who run around every day. Trying to file lawsuits of the snake. Oil salesman that we've talked about before And trying to gin up opposition to our effort to fight covid nineteen. And all i can say is that we're doing the right thing. The courts have affirmed the things that we're doing now bergman and back next say that their plan is designed so recall would be possible but it would still be hard to do so they wouldn't be triggered triggered by anything trivial. There would have to be real abuse now. i did reach out to speaker. Madigan's spokesperson said having not seen the proposed language. He can't comment on. The new recall. Plan but in the past madigan has been disdainful of a somewhat related effort. And that is former governor. Bruce rounders plan to institute term limits on legislators madigan his said that term limits already exist. They're called elections act brandis. Amanda thank you coming up a guide to navigating chicago on a bike this winter season. But i look at the weather. Get past the idea of turning into a political topic it really gives us so communities. That's something i could get behind. Maybe we can use it as a calling car for unite still ahead a guy to winter biking in chicago but i wanna take a couple of minutes to talk about how important you are to. Wtt w chicago night was created for people like you who want to stay engaged in our community through balanced inclusive journalism. And tonight. we're asking for your help to support this critical source of information by contributing to the new w w fund for independent news. The fund supports all of our w. 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Thank you so much for your support and now to brandis in details on another way to get around town this winter brandis peres thank you. The kobe endemic has driven a huge increase in bicycling for exercise recreation and a way to get around without taking transit so far this year. The weather has been relatively mild. But if you're thinking about biking through chicago winter for the first time. It might sound like a daunting task. Fortunately are resident cyclist. Nick bloomberg put together an online guide to win biking in chicago which you can find on our website. And he's here now to take us through what nick. What can people find in. This guide will brand us. I talked to several cyclists who are even more avid than i am and they all told me that like a lot of outdoor activities during a chicago. Winter biking is doable with some preparation. And the right mindset. Now the guy that's on our website is broken up into four sections. The first one covers bike gear so no matter the time of year. Having good lights is really important especially in the winter though with shorter days and the potential for icy or snowy roads. Another recommendation was fenders for your bike tires. That'll keep the snow and sludge. And debris from kicking up at you while you ride. Some cyclists also change out their tires for the winter to get some improved traction in suggestions on where people can find the best gear. Yeah well one of the folks. I spoke with was the founder of lake ling uprising. It's a crowd source database bike lane obstructions. They've also put together a winter gear guy. This is stuff cyclists actually use and think is worth your money and the guides also got tips. If you're on a budget so you shouldn't have to spend a ton of money if you wanna ride during the winter. They've also got a holiday gift guide by the way in case. You haven't figured out what you're buying right up and if you'd rather not invest in winter gear another recommendation is that you can use the bike share system instead so that way. You don't have to worry about the maintenance and they're fairly heavy bikes so they might make it easier to handle snowy streets than if you're on a lighter road bike and if you are writing your own by what can you do to take care of it. You have a winter. Weather can be really tough on your bike. Snow in the celtics just eats away at the components. So one simple step is to wipe everything down after you ride. I also spoke with a bike mechanic. Who recommended storing your bike inside. If you can. But that's not feasible for everyone so you can also just try keeping it covered with a tarp or something if you lock it outside so so far. We've been talking about the bike. What about the writer. Absolutely that's the third section of the guide what you need a particularly to stay warm. Everybody knows i hope how important it is to layer during the winter. Vikings no exception. But if you ride for any significant length of time you're likely to warm up and everybody's hot and cold spots or different all the folks. I talked with agreed. You've got to keep your feet in your hands. Warm so warm socks good gloves or mittens actually like to layer my gloves so like a thinner athletic pair under some heavier gloves. I also learned about bar mitzvah. They're basically mittens. You put right on the handlebar an another cyclist recommended. A bollock lava to keep your face. Warm okay so if folks are planning to ride what special techniques should they know about for writing in the winter we cover that in the final section of the guide what you need to know to bike safely. The biggest piece of advice there is. Take it slow. It's especially important if you're just starting out go slowly in particular if it's snowy or icy be really careful using your brakes. It's just like when you're driving a car. If you start to skid don't slam on the brakes that'll make things much worse and another big theme was to practice maybe on a day where you don't have somewhere important to be and take your time be comfortable learning as you go. Nobody's born expert. You don't have to impress anyone or be good at winter. Biking right away so take it at whatever pace is comfortable for you. You were born an expert nick. All right be safe out there. Thank you so much. Good information slumbered and make sure to read our full guide a winter biking in chicago on our website with the prospect of a long dreary winter at home ahead. Many chicagoans have begun adding some life to their abodes with houseplants w. t. w. news director and host of chicago tonight. Latino voices ugo balta dropped by say aloe at some local plant stories to see how business was growing in the chaos that has characterized twenty twenty therapists and artists. Shem parker says her burgeoning collection of house plants has become more to her than just home decor for me. A lot of the pandemic has been learning how to care for myself better slowing down and taking care of plants. Every morning has been a part of my routine that has been really really important to me And has helped me to really just to slow down and focus on the plant's growth and my growth at the same time. This is a polka also known as a money plant. This was really like the star of my buying plans for this season. I went from probably having ten plants last year in to having over sixty plants now. According to nyc of on owner of plants alone noble square parker is not alone in her desire to bring a little or a lot of nature indoors during the pandemic one of the things i noticed when we first opened and there was such an influx of new plant parents in there so many once was we live in a city. We have a lot of apartments with odd lighting situations and people would come in so excited and then they would say. I have one route one window in my room. And you're like okay and so you would show them plants. That really can meet those needs. The wrong was already a small business owner. When the pandemic began beauty was her business not begonias. When the shutdown started she feared her thriving bridal makeup studio would die on the vine but enough people had shown interest in involves private plant collection at the shop that she decided the time was ripe for a change may twenty twenty it kind of hit home. How long the new normal might last. And the shutdown and everything especially for the wedding business and the beauty side. It was such a double whammy and i think because i already felt comfortable running a small business and i kind of had those resources that pivoting and starting to look at. Okay what does it mean. I'm selling beauty product. What does it mean to sell plant product. We moved very quickly and the community was ready for more points. And volun- says that shared enthusiasm has helped the plant salon flourish in its first year. Not just buying a planet a plant. It's you have like an entire community of people becoming plant parents together for the first time across town in the medical district teacher. Ilaria dominguez says his interest in house plants also blossom during the pandemic at the start of the pandemic. I really made it a goal to figure out how you can get grounded for the summer. You know and that kind of led me to trying to figure out how i can garden at my own home. It's such a healing process. Taking care of plants really requires so much of you so much patience And and so much openness dominguez says when he began creating his home eden he found support for his new hobby in unlined plant communities popping the plant community as tocado. general is beautiful It's such a connected. Such a helpful community he discovered plant shop chicago. North side mayfair neighborhood through those communities. Co-owners as gamez in one casado say the pandemic unexpectedly created fertile ground for their business to thrive online at the beginning. You know everything's closing down. We have to close down in idea of just moving all of that online and doing it virtually came about and i think at the time. We were one of the few people to be doing that to offer. Online's our plants online locally and deliver them as well and offer curbside pickup very much like Like a restaurant would do you know kind of just took off from there. There was a tight community and it wasn't just like there was more than people just going on the hope for any like big box store and just like mine plant. There is like the community where like people were into certain. Plant and as the uptick in sales gives gamez and cassava some peace of mind about the health of their business. They say their customers are reporting an uptick in their mental health. To a lot of the times we've seen these little notes for you know that they will just telling us. Thank you for being here and providing the service has now have something to do at home and it just kinda keeps my mind everything that's going on and just something as small as that. I feel like it's a huge huge change in for a lot of help for chicago tonight. We'll go and we'll have more on the house plant craze in the coming weeks on our weekend. Show chicago tonight. Latino voices and black voices so if you should look out for that. Saturdays and sundays at six pm. And that's our show for this tuesday night don't forget to stay connected with us by signing up for our daily briefing and you can get chicago. Tonight streamed facebook youtube and our website. Wt w dot com slash new. You can also get the show via podcast and the pbs video app. Please join us tomorrow. 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Former CIA chief of disguise weighs in on whistleblower case

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Former CIA chief of disguise weighs in on whistleblower case

"Russia if you're listening I hope you're able to find the thirty thousand emails emails that are missing. I think you will probably be rewarded. Mightily by our press can't be this time out of foreigners if Russia China China's someone else offers you information and should be accepted or should be called the FBI. I think maybe you do love. I think it might WANNA listen. I don't Miss Nothing was listening. If somebody called Trauma Country Norway we have information on your own. I think I'd WanNa hear it. It doesn't matter what I discussed good morning and welcome to am joy while we are now getting closer to understanding the the credible and urgent matter that compelled a senior level member of the intelligence community to become a whistle blower and sound the alarm about Donald Trump through the Wall Street Journal. We know now that the president in July phone call repeatedly pressured the president of Ukraine to investigate Joe Biden's son son according to people familiar with the matter urging Vladimir Alinsky about eight times to work with Rudy Giuliani on a probe that could hamper trump's uh-huh potential twenty twenty opponent the Washington Post about an hour later match that reporting saying the phone call between the two leaders is at the center of Sabur complaint. The New York Times reported a slightly different version of the story saying trump's conversations with Ukrainian president regarding Biden is only part of the whistle blowers complaint. NBC News still not confirmed any details beyond the fact that the whistleblower complaint involved a phone call with a foreign leader but one thing is crystal clear Donald Trump as a candidate and as president has welcomed and even solicited foreign campaign help and now he's doing it again through his personal attorney Rudolph Giuliani who this week couldn't seem to stop himself from just admitting it on television thirty seconds after denying did you to ask the you create investigate Joe Biden. No actually I didn't say anything about Hunter Biden. You never ask anything about jovial. Only only thing I asked about Joe. Biden is to get to the bottom of how it was that Lukashenko who was appointed dismissed the case against anti you did ask Ukraine ready to look into Joe Biden of course I did. You just said you didn't do you want to cover some ridiculous charge that I urge the Ukrainian government to investigate corruption well well I did and I'm proud of it. All right did it and he's proud of it. So was this a quid pro. Quo Was Donald Trump trying to buy the twenty twenty election using the US military aid as an incentive to pressure a country that remains under threat from Russia which was so determined to control Ukraine it invaded it's territory and seized control of Crimea in two thousand fourteen and occupies to this day. The New York Times says that questions have emerged about whether trump's push for an inquiry into the Biden's was behind a still unexplained White House hold on military aid to Ukraine money appropriated by Congress to help Ukraine protect itself from Russia the United States suspended the military aid to Ukraine in early July now according to the Times trump did not discuss the aid in that July twenty fifth call with the Ukrainian president and did not learn of the suspension of the aid until August according to people familiar with the call but a lot remains unclear here for one. Why did that get held up. Did the president intend to use the delay to pressure the Ukrainian president to help him get on Biden and back to the person who got us here in the first place the still unnamed whistle blower. It's unclear what recourse this person and has now since instead of the normal process trump's acting director of national intelligence took the whistleblowers urgent concerns to the White House. I am and now the protection that they're supposed to be afforded under the law is in the hands of that very same director of National Intelligence and trump's conciliaory the eyrie Attorney General William Bar so is there anyone else who can protect this whistleblower congress. Maybe we'll hear was house. Intelligence Committee Chair Adam Shift on Thursday a lot of people have been speculating. Does this involve a presidential communication does it not and if it does doesn't the president of a right to be confidential this. It doesn't involve some policy disagreement. This involves an allegation of serious wrongdoing. I want to say to the whistle blower. If the whistle blowers watching you tonight that we are grateful for their courage and coming four we are going to do everything we can to make sure this urgent issue is addressed and that you were protected joining me now is Jonna Mendes former CIA chief of disguise an author of the Moscow rules. Thank you so much for being here. This is good to talk to you again. Let's start with the timeline on what we know happened between Donald Trump and Ukraine on July twenty fifth. There's this phone call between trump and crane president three days later. Deny Dan Coats announces his resignation as head of Director of National Intelligence. DNA Coats interrupts a meeting on August eighth to tell the deputy DNA Gordon that she should resign on August night deputy. Da Gordon doesn't back resigned the next day on August twelfth three days after that this whistle blower complaint gets filed then in late. August Donald Trump inexplicably withholds this Ukraine military aid that's intended to protect them from Russia the House on September ninth and launched an investigation Gatien into that and suddenly three days after that the hold on Ukraine aid is lifted. What do you make of this whole series of events and keeping in mind that this whistle blower is unknown person but this is is that what the media seems to be putting together as what this complaint was about well you know I have to view this through the Lens of someone who spent twenty seven years at the CIA and the thing that caught got my eye instantly immediately was Dan Coats resignation followed by Gordon the fact that Dan Coats stepped into a meeting in and said Soo- you've got to resign and that she did truncating a career that that clearly hadn't reached its zenith this was basically clearing the decks in the intelligence community taking the top man out and his deputy out giving trump an opportunity to select and choose another acting head of a a a huge organization the intelligence community immunity seventeen separate organizations that report to trump and that is the the heart of where the truth lies now. There's an acting director director in charge of that who of course has taken charge of this whistle blower information and refused to release it to the to the Congress and just to rollback just a little bit for people who don't understand what the director of national intelligence is. It didn't exist before nine eleven. This is actually now sort of a super office that is now over a lot of our intelligence community. Just explain really briefly what what it is and what it does what the deny the director of national intelligence does is he coordinates all the various intelligence agencies and there are seventeen of them most of the military organizations have their own. There's an essay they're CIA dia. Hi is the Department of Army Intelligence. It's this wide range of points of view and abilities to collect intelligence and at the DNA level they bring that intelligence together and come up with what is basically a product. It's not an easy job and it first of all the person that's in it right now. Then acting right so there's not even a person that's in the job permanently but would it have been appropriate for the deny having gotten from the inspector general of the intelligence community. This urgent urgent whistleblower complaint to stall and out. I think it was about a month before anything was done with it but in the interim interim would it have been appropriate for the acting denied to take that complaint and pass it through the White House which seems to be the subject of the complaint before handing it over to Congress and now our refuse to hand it over to Congress. It defies logic that you would take the charges and present them to the person that's being charged and ask asked them if they thought this was a proper proper process. That's not how these things work. It's it's so transparent. It seems to be happening here and I can't believe that the American people can't see through this fog in this smoke in these mirrors and see what it's pretty clear as happening but let me read the acting denies letter to the House Intelligence Committee which again under the law the law of the land should have already received this whistleblower complaint. There should have been nothing standing between the Congress and getting this complaint. This is the letter that the acting deny sent because the disclosure in this case did not concern allegations of conduct by a member of the intelligence committee or involve an intelligence activity under the supervision we determined after consulting with the Department of Justice that no statute requires disclosure of the complaint to the Intelligence Committee. Does that make any sense to you that this acting. DNA would first of all go to Donald Trump's awesome man in the Department of Justice His guy who is acting in every way as the considerate to the president check with him and then determined that they do not have to follow this law does does that make any sense to you. My understanding is that Department of Justice has no place in this process as the law has been written it should go to to the I G at the office and if he believes that it is urgent and it is critical he forwards that directly to Congress. I think think I think the fact that he was acting and that he was new in that position and once he realized who the main subject of this this the charge was he probably hesitated when he should not have hesitated. I don't believe he should have had as it dated. I have everyone I know who knows this. Maguire seems to think really highly of him and seems to me that he's in a position where he he wasn't able to show the courage that say a Dan Coats would have shown yeah and let's go now to the actual substance of what we're discussing here and this is what what needs from us which military aid that was held up suddenly out of nowhere actually it suddenly goes through when Mitch McConnell who's been you know mocked as his Moscow Mitch suddenly out of nowhere back two hundred fifty million dollars and suddenly it goes through after been held up beyond that what we've had is Rudy Giuliani admitting that he did try try to find a prompt investigation of Joe Biden's son. We have Rudy Giuliani than pictured. Here's a Reuters picture. We're GONNA put it up right now and this is him at the trump international hotel. Tell of all places next to a guy named Parnell's who's a Ukrainian businessman with whom Giuliani has reportedly been working and you also have and this is report daily beast. I'm sorry to my producer of jumping around This is the daily beast story. It's not an NBC news confirmed story from the daily beast that Ukraina Ukraina said well. They're ready to investigate Biden's son. If trump asked officially I asked the former. US Ambassador to Russia about that Michael mcfaul and he's at look as as you know the United States is a powerful country. If requests can't be ignored. What do you make the substance of this that it seems that Donald Trump is soliciting dirt take on Joe Biden's family from a country that is at risk from Russia. Is You know first of all rudy. Giuliani shouldn't shouldn't have no role in this in this scenario. He's a civilian. He's the personal lawyer of the president of the United States. He shouldn't be going out to foreign governments representing our government and then he comes back and he's at State Department briefing them on where he's been in what he's done he he is he's in the wrong place and he's in the wrong position and Donald Trump I can't believe that he doesn't pull him out of that position. In in terms of what happens after that it seems that our government the weak links are government are now being exposed. I don't believe who the people that wrote the rules that govern how something like this has handled ever thought that the president of the United States would be so corrupt that he could break through these barriers that had been set up so now for instance the Justice Department which was be one place that you could look for a solution the Justice Department is not what is not a department of Justice anymore. It's Donald Trump's justice department if you if you go to the to the the congress looking for some reinforcements forcement you find that even though the house will will put together the evidence and forward it the the Senate will not will not allow it to go forward. What does that leave you that leaves you. Maybe with the courts and the courts are very slowly but surely being filled up with trump appointees this structure for is being disassembled brick by brick. It's I believe it's a little frightening and very quickly. We know that Andrew McCabe was punished by Donald Trump a former deputy. FBI Director being fired such that he would lose his pension. we know that. Donald Trump drove out his first attorney general for the for having the nerve to recuse accused himself according to the law in every norm so we know that retribution is possible very quickly. He's been in the spy game. Could this person potentially come for what we the risks they would take and could they be prosecuted if they just came forward and said this is what I saw and did went to the president went to Congress directly my my reading of the rules right right now would tell me that that will blower should be should be very worried about being exposed as whistle blower because this can all come they can they can and that could be enough blowback to him that he would that he would regret what he had done and he would stifle every other whistleblower. That might be out there. The might have similar stories in the future or even tomorrow. They're going to think twice before they try and bring them forward John. Before I let you go. I want to play Joe. Biden's response really really quickly to all of this. Here's Joe Biden. Wait a second one single credible outlet as any credibility to his assertion not one single one and so I have no comment except the president's start to present with thanks to Mendez. Thank you very much for your time. We really appreciate it. Thanks joy and stay right there for the rest of you because we are. GonNa continue this discussion including what Donald Trump is doing with that clip you just saw going to talk about that and what the potential legal consequences are in risk to the whistle blower floor right after this Break Hi it's Katy Tur want to keep up with MSNBC while you're on the go subscribe to the MSNBC NBC daily newsletter. You'll get the best of what you've missed during this unprecedented era of news text MSNBC to six eight six six to subscribe number one. Did you discuss Joe Biden at all during that meeting yesterday with the Ukrainian president and number two to can you assure Ukraine that the holdup of that money has absolutely nothing to do with efforts including by Rudy Giuliani to try to dig up dirt on the Biden family family well on the first question. The answer is no but we it's with President as Alinsky yesterday. Okay we discussed we discussed America's support for Ukraine and the upcoming decision. The president will make on the latest launch financial support in great detail. Donald Trump was golfing during the time earlier this month when the White House said that he wouldn't travel to Poland for World War commemoration because he needed to monitor Hurricane Dorian and so it was vice president Mike Pence who traveled to Poland and took what was planned land to be a president to President meeting with the recently elected leader of Ukraine so with Ukraine at the center of the whistleblower complaint that is sparking sparking fresh calls from Peach Mint. Could pets be as much in the barrel as trump joining me now joyce fans. MSNBC CONTRIBUTOR and former attorneys and TASHA ASHBURTON MSNBC CONTRIBUTOR national security correspondent for Politico Natasha. I'm going to start with you. I want to play for you. Senator Murphy was Andrew Mitchell on Friday Friday talking about the Rudy Giuliani part of this scandal and then I want to circle back depends take a listen. Giuliani on behalf of the president has been very clear that he's trying to get the Ukrainians to meddle in the twenty twenty election. Now Zielinski told me that he had no intention to do that but he was also very concerned about why the security aide was being cut off and even if there wasn't this explicit promise made that if you investigate Biden we'll give you your aid that certainly was the impression amongst many in Ukraine who couldn't help but connect these demands they were getting from the president's political representatives to investigate his his opponents and the sudden surprising cutoff of security aide so Natasha. Here's the thing about that quote and and also what we've heard from both Giuliani and we just heard from Mike pence if there was a Rudy Giuliani was in theory making the pitch about investigating Biden. It doesn't seem that there'd be much reason for pence to do it as well but pence specifically said on the first question no that he did not discuss. Joe Biden Net all during the meetings so he was explicitly know the answer to the second part his second answer was but we with President Dolinsky yesterday we discussed discussed America's support for Ukraine and the upcoming decision Asian. The president will make on the latest trunk of financial support in great detail. We talked about the money that was being withheld by the trump administration any any reporting on whether or not this was simply by formation of resources that Giuliani's out there pitching for dirt but pence. That's there to deliver the message about the money yeah. We don't have any reporting to that effect yet but it would be shocking. Obviously if Mike Pence wasn't aware of the president's disdain for the Ukrainians and that goes was back a long time he thought that they helped Hillary Clinton during the two thousand sixteen election and he is said to AIDS that he believes that Ukrainians have always been against him of course I also factors into his admiration for Putin Vladimir Putin is obviously essentially at war with the with Ukrainians he's supporting the eastern Ukrainians Greens and their fight against Kiev so anything that the president does that undermines their security and their their ability to push back against Russia is essentially another other aid to Vladimir Putin now with regard to the military assistance aid the timing on that is a bit on clear because the aid was held held up in about July. Ukrainians didn't really learn that the aid was held up until August so when president trump had that conversation with Zielinski Sqi on July twenty fifth. It's not clear that they actually knew at that point that the aid was being held up but the president and so when he was talking to the Linski about out his his desire to see them look into Joe Biden. He knew that he had that stick and Ukrainians. Though I want to emphasize they seem to see right through this a top Ukrainian official actually recently told the daily beast look. We know exactly what's going on here. It's very clear that the president is upset about his campaign pain manager Paul Manafort being in prison. Paul Manafort was of course the former top aide to victory on a Kovic the former Ukrainian president who was exiled to Russia. He obviously obviously feels like Joe. Biden is a big threat to his presidency into his his twenty twenty reelection campaign and so unless there's a formal request here from the president shoot the Ukrainians that will be very public and where the president has to justify asking for that the Ukrainians have said we're not gonNA play ball here yeah and let me just put the timeline up again and we put it in the last but when you put it up again just for the audience to go back again this July twenty fifth phone call between trump and Ukrainian president that is perhaps what triggered and we say perhaps was not confirmed what triggered the whistleblower complaint then you go on coats resigning we just heard in our last block that that was alarming that raised alarms among intelligence professionals then you have the deputy deny told whole to resign. She does resign then you've got the whistleblower complaint filed on August twelve then you have trump withholding that aid in late August but in two tosh point you create ah crane monitoring the known about it then this investigation is launched in September and then you have the whole lifted with Mitch McConnell just now on this past Thursday Thursday changing his mind and backing two hundred and fifty million. Oh sorry that's separate from that sorry about that so you have the whole lifted on September twelfth. Let me go to you on this very quickly. Joyce because here's the question for Mike Pence Mike Pence has been sort of severed from all of the other questions that are relating potential impeachment for Donald Trump at the house wrestling with right now but if pence as Natasha said went in knowing knowing why the aid was being held up went in and spoke to the leader of Ukraine knowing what stick the administration had over them and in that way way was drawn into this idea of using that stick to try to get what they wanted from Ukraine does he then face the jeopardy of perhaps also being drawn in to the questions of impeachment you know joy. I think the short answer like Natasha said is there's not really any reporting on this yet and that should be really troubling to all of us because pence shows up on your time line at a key point and we need to know the answer to that question because if the answer the answer is yes that pence was explicitly part of some sort of a scheme to either bribed or extort the Ukrainians than the American people need to know that and Congress needs to take appropriate action so the troubling question here is with the Justice Department that's apparently sidelined or perhaps actively in cahoots with the White White House. Who Does that investigation that falls to Congress Congress isn't getting a lot of cooperation out of the White House and the point where we need to call this this is this is a major threat to the rule of law people in Congress on both sides of the aisle need to set aside their political affiliation and get to the bottom of this because we have have a president and now possibly vice president both involved in criminal activity. We need some answers. We'll question for you than real quick question for for Natasha Joyce could congress protect this whistle blower. That's one and number two could William Bar potentially indict this whistle blower because it's it's not you know we don't know whether Donald Trump knows this whistle blowers identity but if this whistleblowers identity he's already called. This person part is that he says he doesn't know it is could this person's face indictment and could congress protect them from it. It's troubling question and Rick Stengel said yesterday on Nicole Wallace showed that the country owes a debt of gratitude the whistle blower that's true because they came forward at great personal risk undoubtedly as a member of the intelligence community they knew that as long as they they stay within the strict confines of activity that the whistle blower statute in the rugs permit them to take they shouldn't be at risk but we know that that's it's not how trump world works. I think it will be difficult for Congress to protect this person. I hope Congress will bend over backwards to do that. They deserve that level of support for coming forward and Tasha Washington Post. I believe it's Washington Post reporting that Donald Trump has said to a former senior aide to him that apparently is not in the White House that Russia's going be our friend and too bad if anyone doesn't like it and who cares about Ukraine so ultimately what this is about attempting to clear the Ukrainian issue potentially so that that sanctions against Russia which are tied to the invasion of Crimea could then be relaxed. I think it's certainly possible and as we know Vladimir Putin is in the president's ear a lot more often than we are ever publicly aware of sometimes we get readouts of of phone calls with the President and Putin days after the Russians have already issued their version of the readout so I think I think it's definitely possible that we are seeing the influence here of Putin on trump yet again combine that with trump's already already ingrained hatred of the Ukrainians and their alleged help to Hillary Clinton in two thousand sixteen. I think it's kind of a recipe for disaster disaster yeah. We're going to keep watching this choice that we're back in our next hour. Thank you very much. Tasha Bertram always good to talk to you. Thank you. Thank you coming up. The state of New York is going after Donald Trump's taxes. We'll talk about that next at Manhattan. Da So so this is a never ending hunt of the hunting takes actually got constitutional proportions so president cannot possibly be subjected to every staticy do his job with this and he's doing a great job. Of How do you have. That's what that's the reason why you can't indicted sitting president because the president's got to be able to do his job and if a political witch hunt starts attorney and royal footmen Rudy Giuliani who I I will remind you was once an associate attorney general during the Reagan administration the third highest position by the way in the Department of Justice and was the US attorney for the Southern District of New York continues to palm the unheard of narrative the Donald Trump because he is president is literally above the law this monarchic view of presidential power hinted at throughout out the careers of men like Attorney General William Barr who is now in his now infant infamous an unsolicited audition letter to become trump's attorney general wrote that presidents cannot be investigated for actions permitted to take such as firing officials who work for them based on their subjective state of mind is now the official view not just of Guiliani early on in bar but also of Donald Trump's legal team who this week rolled out it claim via a new lawsuit that sitting presents are immune from all criminal inquiries until they leave the White House meaning. Even criminal investigations are off the table just the investigations. The lawsuit was filed in response to a subpoena by the Manhattan district tricked attorney's Office to trump's accounting firms seeking eight years of trump's tax returns as part of the investigation into hush money payments made in advance of the two thousand sixteen election join me to discuss this extraordinary claim is Timothy O'Brien of Bloomberg opinion and the author of trump nation and Maya Wiley professor at the new school. Luckily we have on hand. Let's play once again the Donald trump famous. I could shoot somebody quote. Let's play that require. Okay okay people came up and we know that Donald Trump said I could shoot somebody in the middle of it. They have nothing what happened to me and what he said is. I would lose vote. I wouldn't use any votes but what we're now seeing is that his lawyers are saying effectively and this is from the motto blog okay. I'M GONNA pretend it's my quotas is actually the battle blog quote. Trump's attorneys are affectively of the opinion that if the president really did right now stand in the middle of Fifth Avenue and shoot somebody there will be no way to hold autumn accountable so long as the president is in office. It's an argument rooted in the idea that a sitting president is not just immune from prosecution but also just from scrutiny at all so no no scrutiny. No legal process no government oversight. Is that not a king. No that's a dictator. I mean just to be clear it literally literally as a dictator because it's it's a level of above the law that says no accountability whatsoever which is not what the constitution says we've had this discussion dry back over for it but at the remember that there are legal scholars who argue well actually if the president shot someone in the street. Congress would impeach him. I think the problem we have with our system. Is there's a real question about whether the Republicans would agree to impeach under any circumstances. I mean the kinds of things we've we've been seeing. Come up in the news over the past. Three years are things that would have led to a bipartisan impeachment inquiry and that's not what we're saying. Yeah let me play because the speaker of the House who gets a lot of abuse on social media from Democrats about really being firm on not being in favour or at least not advocating for impeachment not being willing to whip on it here she is on NPR's all things considered this on Friday and this was posted to the news of this whistle blower coming forward and expressing real rave NAFTA security concerns about this president. Take listen founders could never suspect that the president president would be so abusive of the Constitution of the United States that separation of powers would be irrelevant to him and that he would continue any president would would continue to withhold tax from the congress which are part of the constitutional right of inquiry. I do think that we will have Japan some laws that will have clarity for future. Presidents presents should be indited if he's committed wrongdoing so I I noted noted that the the three words in that four future presidents or the idea that one would have to pass a law for future presidents to make sure that they don't abuse the constitution and abuse the law law and Ignore Congress but that essentially says that this president will be allowed to do it and then there'll be some preventative measure in the future but wasn't isn't what the founders anticipated was that this could happen and therefore impeachment is written into the constitution as the remedy absolutely I mean wh what whatever side of the argument argument about criminal indictment and any legal scholars on everyone says that the remedy is impeachment and and so if if Congress and the problem with what Nancy Pelosi is saying right now is which he's essentially saying is the constitution and the founders said we are. We have oversight as Congress. It's our job. It's our job under the constitution and yet for political reasons we will not uphold the principle and we will not use what everyone everyone agrees every legal scholar. Greece is is is an indisputable way in which we hold the president accountable. That's that's astounding yeah and the way the Donald Trump as our trump was for here the way he's been able to work this game of being able to cheat and still win is by aggressive pushback against the rules and by corrupting other people. The history is that he'll just corrupt at this point. Donald Trump has so stacked the courts in his favor. A federal judge and I don't know if this person was Morrison England. Junior produce looked up who appointed Moore's in England junior just overturned a law in California that would have required trump to disclose his tax returns in order to be on the presidential primary `bout. That's gone. Trump is also used a lot of lawsuits. He sued sued you in the past two. You're not on this list. I am but state officials in New York. We're going after him house. Ways and Means Committee or Investigative House Oversight Committee Chairman Joe Elijah Cummings his own accounting firm to make them not tax returns and California India the late Great Wayne Barrett who was one of the first reporters to really dig into Donald Trump began covering in the nineteen seventies through the through the two thousands thousands said that Donald trump is a user of users. Donald Trump is a guy who pulls people in like Royko and people who are used to manipulating others and then is is able to manipulate them himself he did that in New York politics and real estate for decades. I think what's interesting now is he's on this national stage and he surrounded rounded by a group of people who have wanted to have a strong executive whether that's Mitch McConnell or bill bar and probably never anticipated someone entering that vacuum like Donald Trump who is not only happy to accumulate the power but had absolutely no sense of having any boundaries around it yeah including whether or not he was breaking the law and the person person the judge Morrison England junior is a Bush administration appointee and we know that the Bush administration is the first time that I and many others heard this term unitary executive and this this is a William Bar belief apparently as well that the president essentially has absolute power and that no one can check that power even the Article One Power Congress. Do we have the soundbite. Donald Trump saying that he has this article too. We have that we have that because Donald Trump seems to have been told by someone 'cause I doubt constitutional well. He's he's somebody who's been learning on on the job but in evidently he's he's not been able to focus on things require teamwork and policy dexterity immigration healthcare but foreign policy national national security and then the parameters of his own office. He's run right in that direction. the unitary presidency isn't a new concept. Arthur Schlesinger talked about the imperial presidency when he was looking at the Nixon administration people have been worried about an executive unfettered for a long time and trump is the full blown real monarchism isn't it it is market okay. We'll be back in our next. You're going to get more of their wisdom and more amoy after this break. It is a very very dangerous time and there's really no oversight that can fix it. There's no judicial the I didn't know judicial means to stop and the only way is through impeachment and I think this report just puts puts the onus really front and center in front of the House of Representatives to take it goes articles up that was former Justice Department spokesperson Matt Miller on the Rachel Maddow show with meat last night making clear that of all the potential impeachable offenses offenses against Donald Trump. It really doesn't get any worse than what was revealed by a national security whistleblower this week trump not just for the whistleblower but also according to his own attorney. Rudy Giuliani is literally doing the same thing. The Muller reports says he did with Russia soliciting help for his reelection from a foreign country in this case Ukraine a country that has part of its territory under Russian occupation right now as we speak in an op Ed for the Washington Post former acting Solicitor General Neal Katyal and George Conway lawyer and husband of White House Counselor Kellyanne Conway wrote that if trump did that it would be the ultimate ultimate impeachable act unlike the allegations of conspiracy with Russia before the two thousand sixteen election these concerns these concerns trump's actions as president president not as a private citizen and his exercise of presidential powers over foreign policy with Ukraine moreover with Russia at least there was an attempt to to get the facts through the Mueller investigation here. The White House is trying to shut down the entire inquiry from the start depriving not just the American people but even congressional intelligence committees of necessary information and yet on Friday when House Speaker Nancy Pelosi was confronted with all the outrage surrounding trump and the whistleblower complaint that his administration continues to withhold from Congress in violation of law by the way she still didn't budge you're describing ving potential acts of law breaking and many people here that and say if Congress does not pursue impeachment. Does it forever change the standard of what is acceptable behavior by any president. I don't know about lawbreaking said we don't have the information. I don't want to suggest that I said that because we we don't have the information while others may speculate. I have to go on the basis of the law and the facts and that's we're decisions will be made so why even with people's heads literally exploding that trump is now committing same collusion Robert Muller investigators found but this time as president why why won't Democratic Leadership Support Impeachment now as I've said before on this show it comes down to the numbers to the question of whether Pelosi has the democratic votes to to get an impeachment through the house and the fact that the speakers clear sole concern is keeping the House majority in democratic hands and that means her only focus this is those conservative leaning House Democrats who won in trump district and whether they will give her the votes even now with trump define congress defying the law and in the position to meet out retribution to this whistle blower through his conciliatory and the Justice Department Attorney General William Barr now we on the show reached reached out to a number of conservative. Democrats some of them are on the record of posing impeachment and some who are not either way to see if they would come to the show today come on the air and answer the question of whether on this issue that is about national security which presumably is important to them and their right of center senator constituents whether they would now give their party the votes on impeachment they all declined to come on the show and by the way any moderate or conservative Democrat who's willing to explain Blaine to our viewers why they don't support the House Judiciary Committee's impeachment inquiry in the face of alarms about our national security raised about the president of the United States from from within the intelligence community. They are always welcome to come on this show and explain their opposition they can actually call right now because the question is if if national security is not compelling enough to garner enough democratic votes for impeachment of the President if defying Congress and defying the law are not enough within within what is joining me now political contributor Timothy l O'Brien Tar Dell Dell President of the Teradata del Group. MSNBC contributor in former US attorney Barbara mcquade Jeff houser founder and director of the revolving door project MSNBC contributor and former US attorney Joyce Vance and Jill wine banks former assistant Watergate special the prosecutor. I'm GonNa Start where I ended with. Jill wine banks in the case of Richard Nixon when impeachment was upon him. It doesn't seem seemed to me that the primary question was whether or not impeachment would change the configuration of the United States House of Representatives but that seems to be where we are now so in your mind does that mean that the entire process here whether or not the presidency becomes essentially a monarchy. Is this really literally really now in the hands of some twenty or so conservative Democrats or should the speaker simply ignored override them and proceed forward to impeachment. I think the speaker should proceed not because of the reasons you're saying but because she may lose a lot of standard base. Democrats who are fed up and who think that if we as Democrats can't stand up to the lawless nature of this presidency then what's the point of being Democrats. We we have the power now we have the House majority now and we are empowering Donald Trump to continue his lawless behavior and we're sending a message such to any future potential criminal presidents that it's okay that you can get away with it and that's wrong. During Watergate we did have bipartisan bipartisan support. It was a different era. We didn't have Fox News creating a bubble and there were people who agreed on the facts and the facts were very clear as they seem to be here now. I want to hear all the facts but I think you have a pattern. Now of total stonewalling by this administration of Congress Congress Congress is being stonewalled and cannot get its constitutional responsibility fulfilled until they get the documents that they have asked for the witnesses they have asked for. We need that. You have a whistle blower who wants to come forward. Let him come forward or her and you know Oh and by the way just for the first president to be have been impeached. Andrew Johnson was impeached for defying Congress just that alone on Long Jeff House. I want to go to you on this because because you've written a lot about what you called learned helplessness among the Democratic Party which is not just the opposition party in the house. It's actually opposite. The is not just the majority party in sex the majority party in the country so the majority of the country when Paul says that they believe that Donald Trump did what muller said he did. He did commit these offenses that he did collude with Russia then he he is corrupt that he is a lawless is not defined so that is not the question the majority agrees with that but you have and I'm GonNa go back to these. Democrats for just a moment because you know it's fine signed to criticize the speaker for this but she's not alone in opposing impeachment. There's some conservative. Democrats and I'm going to read a couple of op-eds and these are before this whistle blower thing came out so I want to make that caveat. Here's Max rows of New York from a Conservative district in New York and he wrote an op Ed. I oppose trump impeachment. He writes feed. The Democratic Party is now at risk of repeating a similar bait and switch mistake. Republicans have by focusing on impeachment instead of infrastructure healthcare costs and putting people to work livable wages and Democrats and we read another one and this is another New York rep named Anthony Brindisi also does not support impeachment he writes. I think it's a mistake for us to pursue impeachment different voters in my district are clamoring to get something done on infrastructure on prescription drug costs you name and I think it's going to be a distraction over the next few months and it's a not a winning message for Twenty Twenty Jeff. These guys are essentially saying that their voters want them to do deals with Donald Trump while you have someone in the Intelligence Committee saying that Donald Trump as a potential threat to our national security. That's been set for quite a long time even thousand district attorney saying that he committed a crime in terms of obstruction of justice cow. Do you square some Democrats Kratz being dead set against holding this president accountable and preferring to get him somehow to sign laws that they think Mitch McConnell is GonNa Pass with them. Democrats are always afraid afraid of doing something that will contribute to a backlash against them. They think doing things will backfire and so they tried to do only the most modest steps only the most it's obviously super popular steps and they never think that they can take control politics and Change People's minds. What's amazing is that Democrats. Keep talking about how they I should talk more about healthcare of course they pass bills and Mitch McConnell won't give them a vote and that's why those message builds about Democrats ideas on healthcare going nowhere but we also so no that president trump is bragged about how he's undermining the affordable care act undermining. The law of the land is a as you mentioned earlier that type of thing that Andrew Johnson was impeached for so Democrats they WANNA have a conversation about trump's lawlessness and they also want to talk about healthcare. They have a very obvious opportunity to to do so they can talk about. How trump is violating the law the land the affordable care at right now. Pelosi and the Democratic Party is including the moderates but not limited to the moderates moderates is just unwilling to take any risks and they are being seen by the public as a calculating political party that is timid and doesn't actually believe their own rhetoric eric about trump's wallace and I think that breed cynicism and his ultimately bad politics as well as bad for the country and let the politics but I'm going to come to the table to people who Donald Trump first of all all had the advantage of that on our panel but also understand the politics of this and you are a political consultants and you can understand that dynamic it does feel like Democrats General Strategy. Writ Large is hide in the curtains that maybe if people don't see us. Maybe if we're really quiet and we're really nice they then maybe Republicans will be nice to us and let us do things and then they run into the brick wall of people like Mitch McConnell who says you will do nothing. You won't even put a Supreme Court justice on you. You get nothing. The other side doesn't come back toward them. They simply belittle them and further marginalize them even when they have a majority in the house and so is they were risk the Democrats at this point look like they're hiding the curtains from Donald Trump rather than confronting it clear risk to the to the country I think within the Democratic base a large majority of the base is frustrated is angry because they want to see the Democrats be stronger. They want to see the Democrats fight now. That's not to say that some Tom. Democrats aren't doing that but they wanna see it as a whole happen. They want to see leadership do this now. I WanNa go back to what your guest said because he made some excellent points and I couldn't agree more with what he said and so in terms of infrastructure president trump right now a single handedly blocking one of the most important infrastructure projects in this region agenda. which is the access or now? It's been changed. A gateway project is a project that would relieve congestion. Put Tens of thousands of people to work helps helps small businesses helped minority women businesses because the participation rate that's required for that project is thirty percent minority woman owned businesses and he has single-handedly blocking that project it would literally help so many people as well as relieved congestion in this region. The private sector has even stepped up put money the state of New Jersey State of New York. He's blocking and he's going to continue the block it because he's doing at a spike so this notion that somehow he's willing to do a deal when he's blocking something right now on he can do a deal. Republicans and Democrats aboard in this region is a ridiculous notion. It's been infrastructure week for. I don't know how every week every week infrastructure infrastructure week is really. Uh Finding out the latest criminal act that's that trump administration has undertaken and so this notion that they were gonNA compromise anyway. I do think that yes of course we should be talking about. How cares an important issue but the notion that Democrats should be passing more laws? How many more laws can we pass. They're being gun. Laws has been healthcare up here. Laws passed. There's been so many things and they just start with Mitch McConnell and if they don't start with McConnell they get blocked by the president himself so this is a ridiculous argument I made and so I think that in terms of what Democrats should be doing in terms of the base where we should be doing. Rotors is putting pressure on those Democrats who were saying these things right because there's no reason why we can't talk about healthcare and also hold a criminal president accountable and so we need to put pressure. It's not just on Speaker Pelosi but on these Democrats that are in backed lobbying advocating to her to stop this process right because we we're not seeing behind the scenes team. Is that a AH. It's clear to me that leadership is not being lobbied to impeach their being lobbied not and these. I've talked about the Democratic Party is sort of a chessboard and for the Speaker The frontline of the chessboard the frontline of the Chessboard the Pons Right this sort of semi disposable players are all the people who win and Liberal districts mystics even Senate about herself. They figure lose another liberals going to win but the back line and the chessboard. We're all the big. Chess pieces are with a with nights and the castle nells are the conservative districts. It's just 'cause they took it from the other side. They didn't take it from their own and if they lose they fear it'll be replaced mark public and then that's all they care about but in this case. Donald trump is beating the Democrats. That's very clearly in this impeachment fight just by saying that the quiet things out loud he says yeah. I'M GONNA get help from a foreign government can do about it. That's right. Do Nothing says I'm going to take money from the military. Take money from military children. I'll take their money and the military still going. What are they gonNA do about it going to do their party. At my mar-a-lago yeah. I'm an openly make them stay in my resorts. What you GONNA do about it nothing. I'm GonNa Lock Little Kids Up. What are you GonNa do about it nothing and so I think by just saying I'm going to do this and the Democrats doing nothing isn't he. Had essentially already kind of winning the war wall to stay with your analogy. The Democrats are looking at this as a chessboard. The Republicans see it as a knife fight. They're not even trying to play chess. They've been playing politics at the electoral level in the Congress by simply trying to rip the spine out of anybody who opposes them the Democrats are trying to figure out what's the right thing I honor that but as long as they sit back and are more concerned about appearances or not upsetting the table Republicans are gonna run circles around them both electorally and when it comes uh-huh Donald Trump and this is right where Donald trump lives. He's a profoundly lawless individual and if any openings given to him where he can self deal Helseth a self deal you put up the op-ed earlier by Neil and George was in the Washington Post and one of the graphs in there that I thought was the most striking is they rightly pointed out that the framers worried about self-dealing and president who's self deals to such an extent that it undermines the national interest you now have a clear example of the President United States eight self-dealing in the Ukraine to get a foreign country to undermine a political opponent to his benefit. Even though the Congress has already said we should support this government and this nation militarily that's a clear clear undermining of the national interest and trump is just self-dealing that circumstance what more proof do they. I need to go back to our this on a second on the constitutional questions here but before I do that let me play. Sp played a little bit ago played again this on Friday talking about Donald Trump and what the founders envisioned regarding the presidency take a listen founders could never suspend that the president would be so abusive of the Constitution of the United States that the separation of how it would be irrelevant to him and that he would continue any president would continue Tenu to withhold tax from the congress which are part of the constitutional right of inquiry. I do think that we will have to pass some laws that will have clarity for future. Presidents President should be indited if he's committed wrongdoing and so let's set that site side then yeah just. An -ma- who resigned from the Republican Party has become an independent and he tweeted congress doesn't need this legislation response to that to hold the president accountable and it's not even good policy policy to allow a sitting president to be indicted moreover. The constitution already provides a remedy. It's called impeachment. I'm available to serve as speaker if I can be of help. That's that's not even shade. That's a three let's go to Joyce vans. I on this does would it even be helpful to attempt to pass a law that future president could face recent development for doing the things. Donald Trump has already done which a means trump gets off the hook but the next president somehow is going to be subject to a law that Mitch which McConnell would probably not even let on the floor joists there will be a time to talk about passing future laws ause but this isn't that time this is the time where we need to figure out what do we do in this incredibly critical moment of constitutional crisis and I'll torture your analogy analogy a little bit further joy. I mean we all recognize what's happening right. Now is deadly serious. It's not a game but one of the questions that we have to deal with is what country do we wanna live even after two thousand twenty. Do we want it to be a chess game or do we want it just to devolve into pure knife fight and I think the answer is if we want to have any semblance of a democracy going forward forward. We need to address this president's misconduct in this moment and leave for the future of the question of how we keep it from happening again. This is really clear at this point and Nancy Pelosi is correct when she talks about the president not doing things that the constitution requires him to do the constitution. It gives Congress this ability to engage in oversight. Here's how this should have worked when a whistle blower makes a complaint in the intelligence community and the inspector the General in the intelligence community makes a finding that it's an urgent complaint then it goes directly to Congress. They've got seven days the DNA house descended on over to Congress what happened here is violation of that process and the interjection of Bill Bars Department of Justice in an effort to keep that from happening. If there was nothing to this complaint there would have been no reason to forward it the fact that the White House and the Justice Department are in the mix tells you that there's something truly frightening truly reprehensible involved in this Congress has to engage in oversight now as opposed to worrying about the future and Barbara. It's hard to do that when the trump administration is essentially declared that it doesn't have to follow subpoenas it doesn't have to follow the law to hand over this whistleblower complaint it cannot be even investigated by anyone one including criminally or by. Congress and they're willing to go to the MAT and now they've stack the supreme court in such a way that maybe they could they could prevail on saying the president is essentially he cannot be overseen by the Article One power so what then what is left for the house to be able to do if they don't impeach him at one of the things that the framers absolutely envisioned was the idea that we needed checks on each branch of government and each was to serve as a check on the other. I think that it eventually surely if president trump is too aggressive in stonewalling Congress and the courts from scrutinizing his behavior. He is going to find that itself to become. I'm an impeachable offense. One of the articles of impeachment against President Nixon was his obstruction of Congress and so at some point one hopes that at least the House House would see that as an impeachable offense now. We've accused sometimes the Republican Party of putting party over country. I think that it could be you said that Nancy Pelosi is also putting party over country if she's worried more about the results of the two thousand twenty election than about the big picture of holding the President Accountable Bowl looking historically at this as opposed to the instant gratification of the moment of the twenty twenty election where is the greater responsibility and I believe it is in holding the president resident accountable so that we set that baseline for future presidencies tear you wanted to jump in because I think this is really important and and she barbara raised a really great point we people need to stop talking about this in terms of politics because this is not politics I see all these anonymous quotes in newspapers papers from Democratic consultants referring to politics the politics all that does is reinforce a message that if in back impeachment were to proceed that it will be a political could process and so you're telling voters that the political process and it is not it a process that is laid out in the Constitution. It is a mechanism for for holding a criminal president accountable a mechanism that has been used it is a responsibility and that is how it should be discussed and so are the the other issue. Is We have a lot of Democratic representatives pundits consultant all talking about the in this way and then they're Jeff. All this happening is reinforcing messaging arguing within the frame of Republican yeah and that is problematic midpoint earlier before we came back in that you know when it came to passing the formal the haircut the Portable Care Act getting thirty million people healthcare that was done in contravention to the politics with people knowing they were going to lose their seats and pushed through by leadership despite knowing that this this can cost the mouth you know we've talked about this example before but famously when the voting rights act and the Civil Rights Act of the mid nineteen sixties were in play. Lyndon and Johnson was warned by his own staff that if you push this legislation through the Democrats are gonNA lose the south forever and he said them will then what's the presidency for there are moments home in the United States and in the history United States when political courage had come to the fore and people should stand up for the law and for what is right and I think the Democrats right now are failing that test yeah and you'll wind banks you know there was the sort of the the the story that there was a fear that that Nixon would actually start a war to protect himself to cling to power by any means necessary. We now have a the president who has sent military forces to Saudi Arabia at the request of the Kingdom that release still sticking in my mind from listening to James Dumb for dinner they say that last night and this donald trump had to say about the Saudis and his fealty to them in his support for them reminding you that the crowned Prince of Saudi Arabia is accused Veyron intelligence services of being behind the murder of a US based journalist with a bone saw but here's what he said about his friends. The Saudis recently Saudi Arabia pays cash. They've helped us out from the standpoint of jobs and all of the other things so now they're under attack and we will work something out with them but they also know that. I'm not looking to get into new conflict but sometimes you have to you know don the prospect of war for oil was bandied about and was it seemed fairly clear in the invasion of Iraq after nine on eleven to which was with which they had nothing to do with in the occupation of Iraq but now donald trump is going to go to war for oil. We're going to go to war at the behest of the Prince at the behest rest of a Foreign Prince and so where does that leave. Where does that leave any of us. Where does that leave Congress. If essentially the man being allowed to wheel the ultimate ultimate power as commander in chief is somebody who does not in his own mind and the minds of his lawyers have to live under the law. This is all virtual circle because what it does is it leaves in place a person who is lawless for no reason it gives them the power to do things to deflect. Donald Trump has always always I denied I didn't do it then he says but if I did it's totally legal and then he goes on to deflect to someone else or to blame someone else or to start an investigation of someone else. We can't allow it to happen. I agree completely with basically all the comments that have been made but particularly Tim's last reference to LBJ Jay. It's time for the country to be the first order of business and I think that when Nancy Pelosi says let's pass a law that allows indictment point number one the office of Legal Counsel is not law and it doesn't say their campy indictment. I do not believe that's correct opinion and that court might overturn return it so that's not the answer but it's also a vision of the constitutional responsibility and duty of Congress to hold an accountable President unto lawless accountable. They have the power to do that. They must take action and right now. Our national securities endanger the self-dealing his evident everything that was meant to be in the alternative not as instead of indictment but an alternative is impeachment and it must be taken. I'm I'M GONNA give Jeff really quickly the last word on this. What would you tell both the moderate conservative Democrats who were holding this whole thing on a hostage in the party sort of like a little mini tea party and the House leadership regarding this issue if you could speak with them now speaker. Pelosi said that we should impeach Donald Trump at the ballot box but I think that ignores the fact that over the next fifteen months or so donald trump has all sorts of opportunities to undermine the fairness of the next election we talking about the military right before an election he sent the military to the southern border of the United States to protect the United States from Caravan of refugees. who were you know victims of the unrest in Central America who literally national security threat so we know that trump is willing to use the military as a prop to try to influence voters he did in two thousand eighteen and God only knows what he'll do in two thousand twenty so you need to do impeachment now to prevent even worse behavior favor than what we're seeing already? Which is obviously pretty terrible yeah all right? We're going to end this here but I have to ask you what your pain is. I must know what is that. It's a whistle much for an honor of the whistle blower but also a whistle to alert America to take some action now and Congress to take some action all right Barbara mcquade Timothy O'Brien Brian Teradata del Jeff Houser Joyce Vans Jill wine banks. We'll be back. Thank you guys What we've learned. Thank you all and what we've learned from. Congress's attempt to to Grill next up what we've learned from Congress's attempts to grill trump's most loyal minions one of his minions that thanks and did you tell the president to deliver the message. I can't comment on private conversations executive privilege. I'm sorry I can read you the exact statement again if you'd like to say the White House is directed that I'm not just substance discussion or his advisers confidentiality stonewall me and my questioning Mr Chairman. This witness continues to obstruct the work of this community by refusing to answer questions. He's been ordered to do so by you. I ask that you would judge them. In contempt in these proceedings core ski the first witness and the Democrats impeachment inquiry shook a smug combative tone at the House Judiciary hearings on Tuesday and Democrats frankly struggled to handle his continued grandstanding his eye rolling and his refusal to even read backward he told Robert Mueller it was such an obvious struggle that one headline from never-trumper Rick Wilson said the hearing the Democrats looked quote utterly bloodless well that all changed in the last thirty minutes when the Democrats Council Berry Burke was given his shot at questioning Lewandowski and quickly sober things right up catching the former trump campaign manager and fixer in a lie. I don't ever remember the president ever asking me to get involved with Jeff sessions or the Department of Justice in any way shape. Now is not true. Wasn't I have no obligation beyond the media's because there's just as anybody else I have no obligation to have a candid conversation with the media whatsoever just like they have no obligation to cover me honestly and they do it inaccurately all all the time admitting that on national television you relying there. What I'm saying is they've been inaccurate on many occasions and perhaps I was inaccurate that time back with me now now my wildly professor at the new school and Jill Wine Banks Lewandowski's Maya even used the break in the hearing to tweet out his the Senate run. He was so contemptuous of those senators outright bic ably rude to congresswoman. Sheila jackson-lee was shocking to watch him treat this you know a member of the House representative is a black woman to be little her and it was really shocking to watch almost unbearable. Rick Wilson's quote on it in his piece was he said the GOP always pleased directly to the Fox News cameras which clearly that was happening there trump's enabler spent every one of these hearings building a TV v drama for their team with imaginary deep seek boogeyman but her emails conspiracy monitoring and reality TV table flipping antics. How is it the Democrats. I don't understand that's why Jim Jordan Matt Gaetz all tear their hair out spit and caper on the stage. It's because the Republicans understand. These hearings are reality. Show the fact that this is a show. It's a programmed impeachment. Hearings are a show and put on to show the American people the information that the people holding want you to know but instead the Republicans Publican's keep taking over the show. Yes the the fact that the Democrats seemed both unprepared for a hostile witness Corey Lewandowski he had made quite clear in the lead up to the hearing that he was going to be hostile that he was going to refuse to answer questions the seat unprepared for it and I think they didn't have copies of the Muller Abate available to them. They did how and as as Berry Burke demonstrated when you have a hostile witness what you are prepared for is when they made inconsistent statements right right which he did he didn't deposition like lawyers like to have what he had had was the public record and Corey Lewandowski on television. He did the homework and he came prepared to note how he questioned he said isn't it true that act yeah on this date. You said this that was not true wasn't it and the reason that's so important because what lawyers doing his testify right. It's if if you do it right what you're saying is I know you're going to not wanna read the language of the report. You're not GonNa want to answer the question. So what I'm GonNa do is say says for you but in the form of a question yeah and ask he demonstrated that's what pulled forward but I think the other thing is and others have I point this out members of Congress do not have the time to prepare the way lawyers prepare or the way staff can prepare and that that preparation is critically important and I think the third point which which is also incredibly important is don't bring a knife fight to a gun fight yeah and they didn't even bring the knife so this whole question of contempt and when you have a witness like Corey Lewandowski's saying I have no oh legal argument that any court will recognize to save it. I don't have to answer your questions. He wasn't a staff member of the white eight house at any time that on any of the things that he was being asked questions about and yet he said that those conversations were privileged right well no and there's no court that will find that was privilege but they weren't prepared to use their inherent contempt powers yeah which they absolutely absolutely should have done if for no other reason to demonstrate you will not walk into our house and disrespectful and I think that that last point I want to pick up with Jill because number one one yes once the actual lawyer was doing the questioning and some of them are lawyers but there was a long time ago now. Congress when Barry Burke his turn all of a sudden the Harry and got real for Lewandowski Hausky all of a sudden. It wasn't a joke where he could Ireland. Make jokes anymore. Suddenly got real for him. So are the lessons that the Democrats should take away from this number one. Just let the council do it. That's what Roy Cohn was wasn't in Congress. He did the questioning. Let the lawyer do it. This is what was done when when when Brett Kavanagh's hearing hearing took place right his principal accused question only by the lawyer not by the members. Why don't they just do that that is a very good question and I would answer it they should they passed rules that allow a staff member to question and let's go back to Watergate part of the success. If the Watergate hearings was that staff did the questioning and they are experts at it. Berry Burke is a trial lawyer. He knows how how to ask questions. My is correct and how he phrased it and why that worked. That's what we need. More of we also need the members to to consolidate the five minute segments because five minutes is not enough time for even the most skilled voyeur to get a question and answer and follow up yeah you need more time than that yeah so at least consolidate so or expand the time. I mean who said that. There's a five minute limit. WHO said that the staff breath members. Each side gets one half hour. Why can't it be an hour each. Why can't it be two hours. Each who is setting these arbitrary time limits a narrative narrative needs to be developed so that people understand what the facts are and no question that very burke made the case showed owed. Corey Lewandowski to be the liar that he was made him answer questions because he phrased them in a way that the question didn't even need an answer. It was already apparent and we need to do much more of that. The new rules are good but I think they could use a little tweaking to help in future hearings. The other thing that I would change is I think I would have delayed this hearing. They knew he wasn't going to be cooperative. They should've waited until there was a ruling from court about two things. One is the the grand jury secret material. That's before a court now. If they had had that material they would have had even more to cross examine. Lewandowski on and the other other is they had had a ruling from the court that's in the mcgann case about having to testify because he can't get away with these claims of executive privilege if court follows the US feed Nixon case during Watergate which makes it clear you can't use executive privilege to protect against a criminal conversation -sation and that's what this was a crime to have had this conversation so needed to be answered yeah or maybe like the Knicks should've let the Senate had the select committee because if this had been in the Senate Judiciary Committee he would have Gotten Kamla Harris in his face instead of a bunch of members of Congress. You know stymied by him. He would have gotten perhaps maybe his his his rear quarters handed to him rather than being able to play games anyway Jill wine banks. Thank you both being here appreciate and coming up. We'll we'll tell you about the latest thing. The Donald Trump is done to put your health and maybe even your life at risk ray. It's Saturday. That's next as the debate over gun. The debate over gun reform rages on with no progress insight consummates in a holding pattern over laws that could have shielded the two hundred twenty eight thousand students who've been exposed to gun violence at school since columbine the message that America has failed to protect the children was delivered in a gut wrenching watching public service announcement from Sandy Hook Promise. The advocacy group founded by parents of the victims in the two thousand twelve sandy hook shooting now warning to our viewers this PSA intentionally it contains graphic content related to school shootings and done ballots here the second to pause all right now. Let's go for it this year. My mom got me the Kirk it back for back to school. These binders helped me State Oregon these headphones or just studying the new sneaker just what I needed for the New Year. This is a real must have coming to speak with these scissors really come in handy in our scully attention to these socks they can be a real life saver bill in touch with my Martin and wow well joining me now is brandon wolff a gun reform activist and survivor of the twenty six th pulse nightclub massacre. Orlando have to get myself together after watching that Brandon and you testified this week before the House Ways and means committee about your ordeal and what you want to see happen. We played a little bit of that testimony we now. I remember gunshots confusion the rancid stench of blood and smoke. I remember the hair standing up on the back of my neck. My heart pounding as I crouched on the bathroom floor. I remember the faces of terror on those people trapped there with me a panicked sprint for an open door and I swear I can still we're here every single one of the one hundred and ten rounds that man pumped into the club Brandon. We know how the Democrats on that committee feel about governor honor from what are the Republicans say to you you know. They talked a lot first of all. It's really nice to see you and I just wanted to to congratulate you. On some presidential twitter harassment I think that means you really arrived but in terms of the committee and the faces on it you know I was encouraged by the conversation conversation around gun violence prevention I was encouraged by the conversation on hate crimes and all the avenues that we can take to push back against hatred and violence but what I challenged them was talk is cheap right. We need action. We actually need something to change. It's one thing to sit in hearings. It's one thing to tell survivors of mass violence silence that you feel their pain. It's another thing for you to actually do something. I had a moment with a Republican congressman. Kelly who's the ranking member on that committee and he said you know I go into communities and I asked them. What are you doing to make your communities safer instead of waiting for me to do something about it and to him. I said we have been doing something for decades AIDS. We've been rallying. We've been protesting. We've been trying to make our communities safer. We've been begging for our leaders to do the things that we elected them for. We're just waiting for you to join us and and you can join us anytime so I thought it was encouraging for us to have the conversation but I'm ready to see some action you also. You've been quite busy this week. You participated glad. LGBT bt Presidential Forum in Iowa on Friday and ten Democratic presidential nominees showed up which is which is good news all probably soon but at least ten of them did show up. I I want to play Amy Klobuchar answering your question during that form when you think about what happened at that pulse nightclub and you think are those innocent in there just out for the night and you think of this criminal that went in there someone that wanted to do them harm someone that wanted to do them. I'm in simply because of who they loved I am from a proud hunting state and by the way so as Iowa and I look at these proposals for Universal Background Brown checks for the Assault Weapons Ban Upper magazine limits and I say do they hurt my uncle. Dick in the deer stamped they do not what is it going to take in your view brandon to get something to go from great rhetoric which is all almost all coming from one party and another parties intransigence. How how do we actually get from here to meaningful gun reform of the kind that you have been pushing for telling our stories is really important. I think sharing my story ah the first person WHO's directly affected by pulse to have the opportunity to testify before Congress. We need more of those moments but I'm getting closer and closer to the point where for for me the answer is to get rid of the politicians that are currently in office that don't have our best interests in mind I think about we have a president donald trump who can't keep his mouth mouth shut for five minutes and yet he seems to be at a loss for the right words to get gun reform over the finish line. We have a Senate majority leader Mitch McConnell who from my view should probably probably just resign if he's not actually interested in doing his job and so I'm at a place where if these leaders do not want to do the thing that we're paying them to do the thing that we all all agree needs to happen over ninety percent of Americans believe that we need universal criminal background checks that that bill has been on Mitch McConnell desk since February and we haven't even seen any action on it if our leaders don't want to do their jobs if they're not interested in actually passing meaningful reform then we need to replace them in two thousand twenty at the ballot box yeah it ah surprise you that Walmart very quickly that Walmart and Nascar doing more than elected Republicans. It doesn't surprise me because the country that's where the country is is. That's where Americans are. That's that's where we need to be. It seems like Congress is about twenty years behind the rest of the country on this issue. Yeah always to talk to you brandon in wall. Thank you very much again and I'll see you soon and I'm going to say next week next week. Thank you all right after the break on on guns especially here a lot of the other candidates saying well there seems to be consensus and compromise on being able to do these things in it sounds like Mitch McConnell McConnell and Donald Trump or at least pretending to be interested Donald trump and Mitch McConnell pretending to be interested in something that is literally a life or death issue issue for forty thousand Americans. That's how many are chilled every year to gun. Violence is simply not enough next weekend. I will be at the community social impact summit in California a form that will bring young activists together to discuss some of the most pressing social issues ahead of the twenty twenty election including gun reform joining me now how is Khloe Cheyenne Rogers founder and CEO Community X. Thanks for being here. Thank you for having me choice so I know similar to Brandon Gun. Violence has a personal issue you in your own history. You tell us a little bit about that yeah so I was actually inspired to found community acts because of my parents specifically my dad who's African American and as a survivor of an extreme case of police misconduct and discrimination that left him permanently handicapped with a bullet fragments still lodged in his spine the year before I was born he was living on the south side of Chicago in Hyde Park. Heard a loud banging on the door went to go see what it was by the time he got there. A group of plainclothes Chicago Police Officers Service began to raid my grandmother's home and opens fire on my dad over a dozen times. Wow that's a harrowing story and so how do you get from that to deciding that tech. It kind of is the way that you can make a difference. That is the kind of activism that you want to do yeah so I actually graduated from Howard School of business with fulltime offered to Google so I spent a couple of years that Google and got a lot of experience in the tech space and decided that it was time for me to leave and really merge this TAC activism together in order to perform community accident community acts what we do is our mission is to unite humanity and mobilized the world and we do so by creating digital and in real life experiences within the social impact space that connect people around shared causes and movement and how do you do that in a way that's different than for instance twitter which is saying well. We can make a Hashtag. You can combine together. Are you can group with other. People who have similar goals have similar activists ideas so our space is specifically for social impact and activism. The data that we collect lacked is specifically related to that so wheel our users to say hey I care about gun control the climate crisis and women's rights we take that data and put it into our core algorithm rhythm and then suggest other allies locally nationally and globally that that person should connect with based on their yeah do you do you feel that activism awesome that is strictly digital can connect with activism. That's on the ground. That's been one of the criticisms sort of social media. That's all in the digital space that it doesn't get to the activism. That's actually marching the streets. That's right and I think that's why we also have the in real life component at community access social impacts summit is of course next Friday and Santa Clara California. I and there will be bringing together. Different activists across the space in real life talk about some of the most pressing issues that those people are facing in their communities communities. What can people expect that I'm going to be there. I'm going to be talking with you interviewing a little bit longer form and talking with Brandon and other activists. What do you expect people to get out of this forum. Our our young activists just that are participating are going to have the opportunity to tell their stories we have some of the young strikers from the climate crisis that gathered yesterday coming to share the work that they've been doing and all of the coordination nation that went into that mobilizing and also to talk about how our platform and TAT can be helpful in accelerating network forward and do you think I mean we're out of time but at at the end of the day. Do you think that what you're doing can actually move move forward and let's say something like gun. Reform actually happened. Is this the way we can do it because it's young people that you really connecting together together. John Z is not only the most digitally native generation but also the most socially conscious generation in human history so I think if we can bring those two things together yeah then we really have the opportunity to make a big difference. I can tell everybody in the club. He's really super smart. I know my husband is super supportive. He sits on your board full disclosure people now so we're we're big fans of yours so congratulations on what you're doing. Thank you. Thank you very much and thank you to Khloe Cheyenne Roger. I'll see you next week. A guys Willie geist here on this week's episode of the Sunday sit down podcast. I I get together with actress. Maggie Jilin Hall to talk about her hit H._B._O. series the DEUCE and her relationship with her little brother Jake get it now for free wherever you download your podcasts.

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How To Unify Our Country And Keep Our Freedom  Sean Parnell (Ep. 292)

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How To Unify Our Country And Keep Our Freedom Sean Parnell (Ep. 292)

"You're listening to the most captivating podcast and itunes. That's right. Delete man podcast will return average men into elite men. Every day we interview the very best experts from the lifestyle health fitness social, even entrepreneurial worlds and with their help some of the best advice on the planet subscribe. Now, if you haven't already in enjoy the show Oh yeah. If you really enjoy it, leave us a review. Today's episode episode number two, hundred and ninety two entitled how to unify our country and keep our freedom I chat with Sean Parnell. Sean Parnell is a decorated combat veteran New, York Times bestselling author Father Leader and the Republican candidate for the Seventeenth Congressional district Pennsylvania in today's episode Sean Talks about his leadership experience in battle and how he was able to unify his platoon of forty men and successfully carry out life or death missions. He discusses the truth about being a leader, his call to run for office the dirty political. Games, he's faced the fake news media and what he hopes to bring to Washington if elected Sean covers a multitude of wide ranging issues including those political in nature and talks about the importance of the upcoming election with regard to our liberty and way of life. If you're wondering why politics are important albeit tough to talk about and why taking a stand and coming up with a unifying set of principles is essential check this episode out now, you're going to love it also quick note this is our first political podcast that we've. Done I've steered away from politics in the past but I do believe that what's going on right now is so essential and critical to our liberty and freedom that we have to discuss it whether you're Republican or Democrat. It doesn't really matter. We're talking about a unifying set of principles that apply to all of us across all parties across the aisle and whether you agree with me or not politically and who I vote for who I choose who I believe in, it doesn't matter either I respect your opinion I respect your. Views are spectrum you vote for I. Just want the same from you. So you may love this episode you may hate this episode all I ask that you respect this episode and have an open mind when listening to it and let me know your feedback because I'm sure a lot of you guys will love it. I'm sure some of you probably won't like it and may hate it. But either way I do believe the topic is important and many of these issues that we discussed in this episode are vitally important right now. The best self help book ever written has now become the best self help audio book ever recorded go to elite mind book Dot Com to pick yourself up elite mind the audio book today on audible. It's also available on I tunes and all the other platforms that have audio books where you listen to them on. It's on there as well. Pick yourself a leap mine I'm telling you this book and Audio Book. If you haven't gotten the paperback kindle yet will change your life. Our guys will live. It's just in. From elite man magazine, and my guest today is Sean Parnell the author of the new book that just came out one Patriot Zarate what one true Patriot one true patriots are actually had the copy to my hand a little while ago I put it down right before the call and I haven't been able to read it yet but it's a it's kind of interesting because it's A. Fiction story, but it's based on this guy named Eric Steele who tried who's in the military I I'm sure he's kind of based off a lot of things you've seen or even you know you personally, but it just came out I believe recording of this call off September first. So within days of the call man, what's it like reading that Book New York, Times number one bestseller, and then we'll the other one. This one is going to be a bestseller as well. What's it like writing that and having that background that you can plug in to that main character? Well I never really expected to write books. You know. that it was never really in the cards for me I. Mean I came back from Afghanistan I was over there when I remember making myself promise in thinking like you know what if I somehow make it out of here alive? I'm GONNA do everything I can to take items off my bucket list. You know what I mean and the the fact of the matter is is that after a couple of deployments at my sold remained my soldiers and I were on One deployment and then my platoon went back. A lot of my guys didn't make it home, and so you know for me, it's they. They didn't get to come home and live a life and enjoy the trappings of freedom that we have here in this country, and so I felt like. Coming home it was my duty and obligation to. Live a life worthy of that sacrifice, and so I came home and. Came back to Grad school medically retired before my time I was wounded in Afghanistan medically retired I intended to go into the military and making a career twenty years took go into the Special Forces Green Berets and do all that cool sexy stuff didn't happen. It's like I wounded. But came back went to Grad school and I said, you know what I'm GonNa do everything I can to try to tell the story of my troops. You know because most Americans had no idea what was going on in Afghanistan and that sort of started this journey for me and outlaw between was brutal man i. mean it was it was a steep learning curve especially like with regards to. Learn how to write a book trying to get an agent trying to have an agent sell to a publisher and all that stuff. It's crazy. But once once sort of figure that out. the book took off I mean and it became an instant New York Times bestseller and that gave me a platform do other things. So album came out and twenty twelve. and. Then it went right back into learning about how to write fiction in my first fiction book war didn't come out for two thousand, eighteen. So six years in between you know but Erie are you know in the third book? Yeah. That's awesome. Dude I can't wait to dive into haven't had a chance yet, but I will be diving into it soon and I'm looking forward to just an incredible story that you have, and then I think you relate that into the characters that you create in the story as well. Just kind of reading the synopsis of it in the past books very interesting man very good stuff. So you got I believe two bronze medals in a purple heart is that right before? Two bronze stars one for valor inappropriate yeah. Nice so Is that when you got medically discharged from the army's after you got the purple heart because that's when you get injured right? When you see Yeah. When when you're in Afghanistan I got blown up Iraq appalled grenade and that was wounded. And you get the purple heart when that happens and then bronze star for valor for heroism in combat just for something that you do. that's her ROIC and the other bronze star got whisper the sixteen months in Afghanistan and so you said before the year your dream was to basically get into Special Forces Delta and. Do that kind of stuff. But after that, you know the injury and then you get discharged from the military year kind of looking at a different path now in life and kind of chosing different things or at least deciding on something you want to choose as it turns out your. This is interesting because I heard this on other other interviews that you did other talks. For some reason, president trump reached out a couple years back and this is where I didn't quite get the story, which is why I'm really interested in. But he reached out and you're like the only civilian in as far as you can recall in history that had a president say that you should run for Congress. So at that point after being in the military. I'm sure it had a lot to do with the military. He goes and says that you should be. Running for Congress and then you take that as almost like a call to arms are called service, and then here you are right now running for Congress in the sixteenth district of A. Seventeen seventeen. Yeah. Okay. In Pennsylvania. So that did that happen immediately after your discharge from the army, and then how did that come about where this guy? The president of all people calls upon a civilian you to then run for office and how does that story go? No I've been out of the military since two thousand and December. Nineteenth two, thousand and ten. So for a decade Yeah. So I'll opportune came out two years after I got out of the military again came out in two thousand twelve. And I've just been doing charity work and work in the civilian world writing books. Berlin doing speaking engagements I've got a charity to give service to the veterans first responders in their families and I've just been doing that for for eight years. And then one day I mean president trump didn't reach out to me I. mean he he I guess he just heard about me through someone and they still don't really know for sure. I'd never met him or talked at that point, but he had called me out in the speech in western Pennsylvania. He was giving a speech at the Marcellus Shale coalition and he called me out randomly to run and and I wasn't. I wasn't even there at the event. So got a call from my mom down South Carolina doing. Charity event on there and just giving a veteran service dog. And she's just basically told me that president trump had called me out to run for Congress and I was like okay. So a term I liked upside down and got the race and I've been running for Congress percents. Wow. So what year was that twenty sixteen that he said that Now it was October Twenty nineteen he just did cheer yes. Yeah. So how yes. So he got he got he called me out like Boy. Feels like just yesterday, but it's been ten months ago. So I mean I running for Congress was never in the cards for me But anyhow here I am and I feel like you know this isn't really about politics to me. I'm not a career politician never done anything like this before but you know the job is to represent the people and and that's what I intend to do and so been campaigning for ten months and I feel like I feel like we're GonNa win I feel like we've got all the momentum on the ground and doing everything we can to build coalitions and raise money and do what's necessary to to win in November I. So you never saw have you spoken at trump since then? Once. So yeah. The vice president was here and and I was. Just at an event with him he was speaking walked off the stage, a couple of interviews and and said, sort of gave me the Nyepan it's said step into my office. I'm like look around I'm like many you'll meet except in your office and and. And it's like this. He asked me to get up armored. Suv and his motorcade and I'm sitting next to him and right across from sitting in the two bucket chairs in the back like there's me and the vice-president exhibition in between us this this bone with the presidential seal on it. And president trump had called me while I was in that convoy with the vice president and I probably got forwards and thank you Mr President and then he did the rest of the talking. But. That was that was about it I haven't to him since. But that was then really that was the only time I talked to him. It was probably for less than fifteen minutes, but it was it's crazy man because. In just ten years when I was put out of the military. I didn't have like a like a backup plan for life you know. When I say I wanted to go in and make a career of it I intended to stay for twenty years I never intended. I never intended to be wounded in combat and I suppose I always knew it was a possibility, but it just never going into it. You just never think that that's going to happen to you. So it's put out and to go from broke. Leaving the and broke into ten years later, you know the president called me out to run and now I got the chance to ride around in the motorcade, the vice president and call meeting with. Speaking on one of the largest stages in the planet at the Republican National Convention it's just It's just it's a blessing, but it's just kind of unbelievable. It's kind of unbelievable my journey to the spot and how. And I mean. I can't remember. The last time in new spewed mentioned something about this you know a couple minutes go but I can't remember the last time the president. Called a random citizen out. To run, for Congress. In a primary in a republic. Wahler Republican primaries on I I've never I've never heard of something like that happening but it happened to me and it's kind of just been crazy kind of just been crazy. What do you think it was before and by the way, let me just say this we actually have never covered politics on the show. We steer away from it although many issues overlap into politics without even realizing it's politics and then especially. In the last like six months or so with the whole shutdown in the pandemic and you know that you really start to realize in the past few months of like how important politics are at least political discussions and learn manners of of that where like one thing or another can literally change your life overnight in the people you love overnight and if you don't have a say in that, your rights can be taken. Like literally overnight like has has happened in the past few months and then trying to get those things back like we don't fight for those things they're going to be gone. We're never going to get those things back and we can dive more into that a little bit but I just WanNa say that before we kind of dive more into this but I looked into your stuff I, I saw a bunch interview did. Obviously like like checked up on the work and I love the fact that you don't consider yourself a politician. You just consider yourself a good person trying to do what's right for yourself your family, your country, and Republican or Democrat aside I think I think you kinda transcend the fact of like you know political parties and If I was in Pennsylvania, I would definitely vote for you and this is why I wanted to be on the show to Kinda get your story out to to show that you're not just like a politician. You're so many trying to make a change for the betterment of the people around you. I appreciate and say that I I actually load being caught a politician. You know you know people and people don't mean anything it'll be like, oh you're. GonNa Mike. No. Not I'll never be a politician I'm not I. Mean I mean I. Am I'm not in this I. Mean I'm running with an r after my name, but I'm not in this just represent Republicans the job is to represent everybody and the job is to not only show up where people don't agree with you or people agree with you but to show up especially where people don't you know and and do everything you can to. Talk, things over meet in the middle come to consensus and do best on behalf of the American people and so you mentioned. Staying away from politics and lots of different shows do that and that's totally cool. And I did too until the president called the out but then the thing the thing about it is is that and you talked about this with the pandemic but like. Politics has a way of finding us even though we steered clear of politics general, you know. The pandemic is a perfect example. Look what happened overnight. Not, I'm not discounting pandemic. Of course, we have to take it seriously. Of course, we've got to protect vulnerable I mean. But The governor's by just lock things down emergency declaration lost. Their freedom pretty quickly. And now here in the state of Pennsylvania. Our governor just extended our disaster emergency declaration at cases of trended. down. Every week on the week for the last five weeks and we're beloved the threshold of what would be declared a pandemic it. So why why I mean I'm not saying that we shouldn't take this. Seriously I'm not saying we shouldn't protect the vulnerable my saying any of that, but we know a lot more now about this virus than we did months ago. So let's shift our focus here a little bit. Let's let's adapt our strategy. Let's adopt a more surgical pandemic response right, and let's start opening up our economy again, letting people go back to work because. People in in in around my area man like this is a manufacturing district there's a lot of people that work in oil and gas a lot of people that in steel mills, a lot of people that work in in manufacturing. They can't just learn to code and work work from home. Bro You. Know I mean that's that's not easy. You know so. I hate to see food lines in my district. So the point is, why are we why extending a disaster declaration in Pennsylvania I mean again again, it was supposed to be fifteen slow the spread then it was thirty and now's three months, and now we're damn near six months into this thing to slow the spread right. But the the goal posts goalposts have always moved you know Early, on it was never about protecting people from getting the virus it was about protecting it was about preventing our healthcare system from being overwhelmed will now it's like you've got governors that have moved the goalposts constantly are saying what we can't do anything until we have a vaccine But we ever have a vaccine we might have a Bible vaccine effective. So how can that be the benchmark? So when I say I don't care about politics that might not be a popular decision that things that I'm talking about now but you know what I believe that they're the right decisions. You know 'cause this job is not about taking popular decisions about doing what you think is best for the people and sometimes it means standing up there on the parapet and taking a stance on something that might not be perceived as possible. Popular at least early on you know. One hundred percent man and you're right I was actually one of the few people that disagreed with the shutdown all together even in the beginning because I looked at the research coming from China and Italy and all the other places, and you could see that the death rate the contagious rate was like ten times more than they really said so that death rate was ten times lower than they really said even from the beginning and you look at studies like there's there's one that came out in a book in the eighties they were. It's for every one percent. UNEMPLOYMENT INCREASE INCREASES A thirty-seven thousand increase in deaths from heart disease like stress relief factor, heart disease, suicide cry all those things go up when unemployment goes up you're looking at shutting down the greatest economy in history for a virus that you know wasn't even is like is deadly and they look at it. Now in the beginning if you said, this is very controversial but you say now it's very true. It's as deadly as the flu might be more contagious three times more contagious but is the same death rate as the flu. So you're you're shutting down the greatest economy. For virus where you could have prevented by by you know having the weak the vulnerable the ones with pre existing conditions you shelter those people you don't shut down the healthy people like yourself or I the younger generation who is perfectly able to go out work and keep the economy going I think it was mistakes and beginning because they look what happens now the they always say slippery slope but look what happens. Now we're in the six months in with no end in sight all these economies in these states are crumbling and the suicide rates gone up six hundred. percent the you know the job losses been incredible the economic, and then of course, you look at things like vaccines when they're trying to force the vaccines, they say you can't go to the next stage and like Massachusetts round from, we're not going to have stage four, which is opening everything up bars clubs. Till A vaccine comes in they're gonNA try to mandate that they just mandated last week, the flu vaccine which was never mandated in any state or as far as I know in history the US, but they just mandate and mass last week Charlie Baker. Actually. Republican. By the way but I just think it's such. Now like you said, they're changing the goal posts are moving. They're changing their time lines and this is what happens. Absolutely. The freedoms. There, that's right and that's last. You made that point earlier and it was a good one and here's the thing you know Governor Wolff who's our governor here in Pennsylvania you know he was out protesting a couple of months ago when all the protests kicked off the protests turned violent rioting looting and burning down people's businesses and stuff like that and injuring cops you know eight or nine cops here were seriously injured in Pittsburgh. One Guy got hit in the head with a brick actually call it something that bricks they brick, the police officer in any. Condition for a while in the hospital. But my point is, is that governor was asked about this and say, Hey, wait a second your out here protest and you're violating orders and governor wolves response was like an I'm paraphrasing I think the risk. The cause was worth the risk I said, but like your so you get to make that decision but no one else in the state does right and not only that like protesting for this cause is okay. But protesting reopening is not so you see what I mean. There's so politics will find you even if you're not interested in. In politics especially in a time of crisis like we're in right now. Yeah, absolutely. So but going back to before. So we've talked to president trump once and it was brief and you know he did most of the talking like he's a big talker. What but going back in your head now into that moment where he called you out and told you to run what do you think it was that he saw in you perhaps that made him say that or what was the reasoning? Do you think like kind of looking back in hindsight why he picked you to run? Yeah I don't know. I. I. Mean. I don't even know. I think maybe maybe maybe like one of a congressman here, his name is Mike Kelly. He I've known him for quite some time. He's been a friend and mentor of mine for a while. He and trump for president are about the same age and they're both business owners and I think that their their friends and they work together before this event. So maybe maybe Congressman Kelly mentioned something about it I don't know. But You know I'll tell you. It was certainly turned my life upside down You know maybe maybe it was my military maybe he had heard about my military service I still don't even know for sure. But you know I I don't know I. It's interesting because I do feel even this was never in the cards for me in your politicians will like set their sights on a seat and say, okay, I'm GONNA run for this office and then this office and they become career politicians That was never in the cards for me like I didn't ever look at at my life taking turn s but here we are. But I feel like I'm exactly where I'm supposed to be in now and so which I find interesting giving this was never of my life's plan yeah. I know you spoke at the RNC last week couple of weeks ago. And Perhaps it's you were on like What is it? Fox News a lot you're on some of the shows. He must have come. All Right the book and just knowing your background. You probably saw an interview I. Know He watches that you know what? That's a good point too. Yeah. I he actually so. Yeah. I think this before. Yeah. This is before I got in the race. I said something about how the the troops appreciate president trump and president trump saw. It he said something over got up. Sorry I'm yawning. Have this job is like twenty hour a job I'm sorry about that. Okay but. But. President Trump said like, oh, thank you, Sean. tweeted about me and I I I like I came back from doing the segment on Fox and look at my it was like blowing up I'm like what the heck is going on president trump tweeted about me randomly. So he did know about me he it's interesting. Say that he did know about me. He'd see me on Fox before, but I didn't think he knew anything about me. About my military record or anything like that. That's pretty cool. So but at school thinking about a now the what makes you do you think about yourself is gonNA is GonNa make you a good leader in Pennsylvania and by the way do you have any you mentioned you don't you're not a career politician you don't even like being called the politician but do you have any aspirations greater than being rep at this point like down the line? Is that even a possibility though no I mean, look. You know what? Let me walk back anything is possible given the President Albany. I mean I. Did you know what I mean? so that was about as random thing is you could possibly imagine I won't rule anything out but my desire is to go to Washington hit the reset button on everything give the power in this country back to the people where belongs I personally believe that there's a direct correlation between. Government in Washington and more freedom in our in our day to day lives a smaller less powerful. The government is the more freedom that we have. I, want you your family. Have as much freedom. As as you desire I, want you to be a I, WANNA protect, and preserve the American way of life. I want you to live your life life liberty and the pursuit of happiness the that you want not the way that the government tells you you should do it. That would be an American is all about and so that's my goal and when I'm done with that I will move back to western Pennsylvania Biopharm and probably never talked to anybody again. So. This is not something that's going to be a career to me. This is not something that. It just doesn't man and as far as like what are some of my goals I just desire to be a leader you know you you. You rightfully mentioned the pandemic is a point where most people started paying attention and thinking like wait these decisions. Can Affect me right the governor's order. I'm burning through my life savings because I'm about to go out of business because the governor has me locked out like these decisions affect me especially in a time of crisis. I am to do is just be a leader be there for the people. That's what the job is. It means again I'm a Republican I'm a proud Republican and conservative I believe what I believe. But if the Republican Party for whatever reason was doing something. That was not. Good for the people here in Western. Pennsylvania you can bet I'd vote against whatever they were putting on the floor you know so. That was that was sort of part of my job as a as a platoon leader in Afghanistan to you know. We? When I was in charge in commanded Afghanistan. Well wasn't it commanded was a platoon leader. So which essentially I'm in charge of a forty man infantry platoon. We weren't all Republicans. There were Republicans and Democrats in black and white, Christians Atheists, northerners and southerners six guys weren't even citizens. So I figure out a way as a leader to bring that group of people together look past or many differences right that we would have probably died on some random hilltop on the board have not Ghanistan and Pakistan. So that lesson in my life taught me a the number one leadership lessen the bedrock of my entire philosophy is do everything. They can to bring people together the to let Americans. The give Americans the ability to see past their many differences and unite. It's not just about diversity for diversity sake. Right. The fact that we are a diverse nascent nation is, of course a strength, but but unless we can't unless we can unify beyond that diversity. We're not as strong as we could be you know and that is what I WANNA do. That's what I spoke about the Republican. National Convention and I the President let me script my own remarks you know I wrote that speech I gave that speech and the president gave me the freedom and and latitude to do that. was. A hell of a speech to five minutes. Before you did a great job. I was it was overwhelming man it was overwhelming that whole experience this crazy man like because I'm just a blue collar guy from western. Pennsylvania. Whole experience I go in there of his staff is is moving and grooving all around the place. They all got these masks was presidential seals a little boom bikes and they're talking it was like a Well oiled machine for sure but it was it was overwhelming overwhelming experience. Yeah. It's got to be a hell of a lifetime once in a lifetime kind of thing you mentioned a good certainly certainly felt like that an interesting point a moment ago, which was diversity and. It's a very interesting topic because I think most people would agree that diversity is a good thing. Diversity like having different cultures having different races having different creeds, religious beliefs. Like having all those things makes up what America really is we think that's where we came from immigrants where a nation of immigrants all a great thing. But I think a lot of people get lost in the fact that. Just being diverse doesn't necessarily mean you have say strength or. You here right about that. You're right about you gotta have something that unites. Everybody together like certain belief in value system that brings a diversity together it's good to have individual people but you gotTa have a common cause Absolutely in diversity is a great strength but if you're not unified behind know in our case, in Afghanistan, unified under a common banner in support of a common mission. then. You're not as strong as you could be you know and you know Abraham. Lincoln said that a house divided against itself can't stand and that he was referring to the fact that, of course, we all come from all over the world. But the reason why we learned that America's a melting pot is because people come here and they maintain their their regional, our international identity but then they take, they learn about our country they become American. They assimilate into our culture and we're all united under the banner of our flag. And the our Constitution and our bill of rights and so Yeah. You've got to have unity. 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What was what were some of the things that you had as far as like mindset goes as far as like daily practices goes to bring people together like I. Meant I heard you mentioned in in another show that you had people every single race, every single religious belief every single Muslims Christians black white. Brown. You had all these different types of people from these backgrounds, but you had to bring them together for that common goal. Like you said a moment ago, you could have been killed on top of a hill I. believe like twenty-five, you guys at one point versus a couple hundred people in a battle. How did you bring everyone together and like that? What was the mindset that you had? Everybody realized you know with life and death on the line you know. I really do believe everybody realized you know, hey, we all bleed red at the end of the day. Yeah. We are very different but we all bleed red. You know there are no hyphenated Americans in my platoon we were just Americans you know and in that allowed us to accomplish things that we thought were know we never thought were possible you know I was inspired by my troops on a day-to-day basis. These were just eighteen year old kids whose job before coming in the army. Was High School shortstop you know these weren't. We've had some cool sexy training, but we weren't like Navy Seals. You know they were young infantry guys. It was because we were unified because we love one another. That allowed us to do extraordinary things in battle. You know it was because. We. Were afraid. Of letting each other down that we were able to accomplish extraordinary things battle. I had six soldiers who were shot in the head and all of them were back on the battlefield. At some point some took a little longer than others. But you know I had a guy that was shot in the head wrapped his wrapped his head up and bandages and forty eight hours later back on garden back on on patrol because he didn't think spare that the men Michael Tune. went out without him there he felt like he was failing. You know what I mean, and that allowed him to drive to drive on. You know farther than he thought possible shit. That's incredible man. So, what are your taking that mindset? That attitude that you had voter, some of the the ways that you can bring into Congress different methods of unifying this country because as you know right now we're at is Republican Democrats go and you know on both sides of the aisle black white is such a there's a lot of issues social issues of the pandemic going on right now, there's a lot of issues across the board that's dividing a lot of people as someone who's going to be hopefully a part of that Congress in part of the solution, what are some of your plans to actually unify this country? While being a leader, I think is is the most important thing you know with the dust settles from this pandemic and this economic crisis, and hopefully it will soon. My hope is that people in this country realized just how important leaders are we need more leaders in Congress and fewer politicians you know and so for me is using my platform to to to reach across the aisle and bring his maybe not even reach across the aisle but reach out and say the Republican Party. We're the big tent party we don't always have to agree. But you are welcome who says we have to like there's this idea in party politics that we all have to agree on everything I get the question from the media all the time. Well, tell me an area where you don't agree with President trump lake like like they'd be surprised to find out that I had wait like I got a big Italian family we sit around the Thanksgiving dinner table and we don't agree on anything. So why why is there an expectation and underlying expectation that we need to? We don't we don't the Republican Party believes an individual freedom. It doesn't matter who you love. It doesn't matter what your skin color doesn't matter what you do for a living. Even. If you're a Democrat who believes that your party is too radical. Stand with us. You know that's the message that I was sending at the Republican. National Convention. You know if you love America there is room for you. In the Republican Party, we always have to agree no and so. Leadership means taking every available opportunity that you have. To drive home your leadership philosophy so that you can bring people into your tenth that you can unite people in the Republican National Convention for me was just the latest example. That was not a typical convention speech. You know near past people did not give convention speeches like the one I just gave right but the Republican Party is changing and if I'm going to be a leader in that party that I want to be on the front and of that change right and so and I also think, I think you have to you have to do everything you can to work across the island find pragmatic ways that you can't work across the aisle. Without necessarily compromising your values or compromising the promises that you made the people in in the region that you represent right So you know I know maybe maybe saying, oh leadership is it maybe a reduction mystic answer but I don't think it is I think we need leaders in Congress now more than ever and you know standing up fighting for what you believe in but also, but also welcoming people into your tent is first and foremost responsibility of leader as a leader though. You make a lot of good points. I want to touch on a couple of them as a leader though when you're trying to say get your agenda across of a a unifying agenda, you want to bring people together. Do you have to come down and compromise with people on certain values and beliefs that you have or is it more like this is what I want to do. You're welcome to join me but if you don't WanNa. Believe in these things yourself than I can't really be a part of what you're trying to do. Sometimes. Sometimes. It means that. We're talk to you about you know leaders using. Their platform or what they sometime, which sometimes called like a bully pulpit. Ronald. Reagan did this all the time Ronald Reagan? was able to accomplish extraordinary things working across the aisle with Kip O.`Neil because he was able to shape cultural sentiment unite people under his idea of what America should be. He was able to unite people under a common banner what his vision of the future should be. Guess what? You know once public sentiment shifted to what he felt was was the best vision for America's future will politics is downstream of culture you know. So every one of those congressmen that are representing those areas and Have people in their district that believe the same thing that Ronald Reagan was advocating for well, guess what it becomes easy for those congressman take those positions because the public does as well. So call politics is always downstream from culture. That's why leaders have to be unafraid in advocating for what they believe in not just internally on interviews like this but up on. The world's biggest stage like the Republican National Convention right we can shape cultural sentiment by doing that by being out front by leading and when the public is on board with this everything else falls into place. You know what I mean and Ronald Reagan was an expert at that president trump is good at that as well. In his own way in his own way, you know president trump is is a fighter and you know for a long time, the Republican Party You know. For example like. John McCain was a guy that I admired a lot. He was a war hero. But the Democrat Party when he ran for president, made him out to be like some sort of war criminal you Mitt. Romney. When he ran for President Mitt Romney is probably one of the most boring people on the face of the planet. I've never met but he strikes me as a pretty pretty run of the. You know boring right. They made him out to be the binders full of women. Guy. Right. So both the both Mitt Romney and John McCain lost right because they didn't necessarily fight back against what the media portrayal of them was was at the time president trump does and that's why president trump one and that's why people elected him so that he could fight get fightback for them, and so I've got tens of thousands of Democrats. Here. PA seventeen that voted for president trump why? Because they're sick and tired of politics as usual on either side of the aisle, you know it and that's something that even even at twenty twenty, the media just fundamentally does not understand that the that day we elected president trump to be a disruptor in. So when he says I, mean does do I agree with everything tweets heck no no but but. He's a disruptor that's why people elected him you know and so. Good leaders use their bully pulpit, the shape cultural sentiment, and that's something that I intend to do as well. Yeah. It's a hell of a man and you know whether you like them or not. You gotTA at least. Respect the fact that the guy is a fighter and I think he actually gets more. Hey, he definitely does he gets more hate because he stands up and fights whereas the other guys McCain and Romney that you mentioned they got you know they got trash like all the Republicans have been under sense they'll get the trash but. This guy gets it ten times more than anyone else has because he stands up for it. I think people actually appreciate that like the American citizens that see this on a day-to-day basis they're like, all right. This guy's getting all the ship because he's fighting back on all the like the fake news like he's the first guy that I ever heard that pointed out the fake news until five years ago. No one even knew the term fake news but. I. Mean Duty See now the CNN and all this other MSNBC. The reports that the had especially with the coronavirus pandemic last few months it like blew my mind of how. Fake one sided they really are with something and how they won't cover both sides in like Fox News has its problems too. But CNN is really the worst in my opinion. Well. Listen you're you're right. So the full fake news thing I used to think before I got interested just you know all that? Trump being trump is what what the says the saying goes. But it's it's really a thing like they in my in my race like. The. Dem the Democrats have their media allies and they leverage those media is to conduct attacks on their opponent like so my in my race. This this media guy takes everything. I, takes everything I say out of context you know what I mean in cuts up different quotes cuts them off before I make the actual point and so thinking like none of this is accurate. You're a journalist. So I get it I, it is I I feel like the the. What I mean the the media does has not learned since two thousand sixteen in your right the people of this country, the yellow while in two thousand sixteen was sixty, three, million people bought the president believed that in President trump and believed that he would fight for them. Now, The Washington establishment and the Democrats have been trying to teach president three three months before he was even elected from the moment he swore in and took his hand. On, the Bible, they have tried to impeach him whether it was the fake Russia hoax, which which is a hoax in every sense of the word to the Muller to the Muller Probe, the Muller report where they into every aspect of his life and found nothing then the smear of Justice Cavanaugh and what they did to him in front of his family and his wife, all of that totally made up totally made up to the Ukraine fiasco. I mean, my goodness, the list goes on and on and on now they're now they're trotting back out Russia's meddling. Russia's meddling in the election I mean that's just like it's none stop it's nonstop. I think the American people see that you know and they see the president of their working for them in three short years despite relentless and savage attacks by the way sometimes against his family they freaking tag Barron trump and I'm a I'm a father I got three little kids someone messes with my kids you can bet your ass be on twitter that. Day off my family. Right. So like a course, the president is fiery. Of course he's a fighter. You know you always say the right thing absolutely not because they've attacked him savagely ns his family savagely for years and what would you do I mean what would you do? Would you stand idly by and let your family take it or would you fight back I think most people in this country Democrat or Republican say I would fight back I agree and you know the the sad thing is in like the whole fake news and all that stuff is a lot of the things that this guy proposes trump is he's actually really not all like super conservative. He's actually more in the center of things, and if you look even say the wall proposal building the wall, the the Democrats in the past voted on the exact same things that this guy wanted two, hundred, seven, hundred miles offensives, your Schumer Obama did as well when he was a senator and did as well when she was a senator, they all voted for by I, believe Biden to. Vote for but then a few years later because it becomes a different narrative and the new, the news media pushes narrative. It's like all this guy's racist he wants to put up a wall. He's this. He's that it's like you know believe what you want about trump and the way he articulates things in the way he says things in times like. One, hundred percent I agree with you on that. But at the same time, you gotta look at the facts of like what he's actually doing his actions as opposed to just as words and actions speak louder than words they say, yes men. Look into the shit like this. It's like blows your mind like how doubles to face the media can be with one thing in like they know what what people said in the past but they won't cover it and they spotlighting this thing to make them look bad and it's one thing after another you name Ukraine Russian hoax this to that. Man At some point you gotta just kind of believe look at what look what happened with Speaker Pelosi yesterday. A video comes out. She's in season San Francisco She's dentist lawn she's not wearing a mass. Salons have been closed for six months. He can't even go to the freaking beach in California she is defying. Democrat mandated lockdowns and doing whatever the heck she wants to do, and by the way people are losing everything they're burning through life saving their businesses are closing. People have had to watch family members die through a window because of because of because of hearing to these lockdown, but Pelosi wants to get a free haircut or a blowout or whatever you call it shoot done matter. So she's the third most powerful woman in the world she doesn't rules rules for me but not for me. And this is this is the kind of stuff. That That the media. Instead of covering. Miss. Accurately People in the media started saying, well, look, she was ambushed look. Are you allowed to record someone like that? It's like what? Wait a second? You're not talking about her astounding hypocrisy. In the fact that even the salon owner who hasn't been able to make a living and all. It didn't even know that that Speaker Pelosi was in there like. This is why the president one. It's this kind of career politician that has a disdain for the people and the only thing that she cares about is its position in her power in keeping. That's it. That is it. Everything else comes secondary to that, and that president trump won because of that dynamic because of that dynamic. Because, like you said there, there is a swamp in Washington it's been there for years and like him or not like his character or not. The guys like you and a lot of ways is not a politician like he just wasn't part of this system that has been corrupted for so many years he's just a regular dude. Obviously, he's got billions of dollars you not just a regular dude, but he basically a regular guy who wanted to make changes. He didn't actually benefit from this presidency. If you look at it, all of the presidents do have benefited from becoming president. This guy has taken a hit to his his career. His career character has money is wealth his net worth is like dropped in half I mean. He's taken a page. Press the United States that's why I laugh at the stupid Lincoln Project, add sand that the president's only in it for himself. The president president gets savagely attacked every day his net worth is decreased. He's taking a pay cut. He's in a different cell. It's the most absurd logic ever I know, and then you look at other politicians like Lori lightfoot, the Mayor of Chicago or whatever in a few months back. She's getting here haircut too and she had just lockdown shut everything down. This is months ago in the very beginning of this thing to they find here. She said look good. Exactly. Violated her own lockout mayor. Philadelphia violated his own lockouts. Andrew Cuomo of outside a couple of days ago with a mask violated his own LAKA. De Blasios same thing the these these liberal. These these spar let. Liberal politicians have almost all violated their own lockdown protocol governor. Whoops same thing Martin protesters while I thought that caused was worth the risk. It's like, why are you the only one that gets make that? Call. No Shit. I mean it's just you know I think Americans are opened up to it and you see like Joe Biden leaving his his basement for the first time in months. Do you know why he's doing? He's doing that because it's poll numbers are tanking. Americans are see through this nonsense they're seeing the riots they're seeing the burning they're seeing the looting people were tired of it, and they also want the Democratic National Convention for a week where no one said anything about. So poll numbers Plummet Joe Biden comes out of hiding Oh, I'll I was magically Rioting later, where have you been for the last? When it's convenient and it's going to help his cause then he then he condemns it but in the beginning when everyone knew it was wrong I mean most sane people know that burning rhyme looting killing even in some cases is wrong. You have to condemn it right away but. Absolutely that because he's going to divide people in in his party so he doesn't want to. Cause any problems with that. He wants to get the radical left, but I'm not even I'm not even Democrat. Not. Republican I'm in the middle I am an independent. I have always been because I've seen a lot of fake shit on both sides of seen a lot of fake Republicans. I've seen a lot of Democrats, but it just seems like over the past two years, it's mostly coming from the democratic side and it's Still some good Democrats for sure. But it's like you just mentioned you rattle off seven or eight people that will have their own laws of shutting down the economy, shutting down businesses, shutting down the rights of people to go out and do the thing, but they'll still go out and do their own thing. So it's the hypocrisy it's a double standard and the they can't follow through and I think. Like you said it's it's the reason why I think a lot of people are tuning in and listening, and they want that change. They want to re-elect trump for a second term because they see what's going on and they see that there's a lot of crazy like even Biden said of a few weeks ago. If he gets elected in the scientists, say to shut down again, he'll have a whole shutdown. A mask mandate for the whole country like who the hell wants to wear a mask twenty, four, seven indefinitely for the next X. amount of years I think mass thing is I. I never agree with it in the beginning, but I think it's probably going to run its course in a few months if the right person gets elected but if the wrong person gets elected, we might be wearing masks the rest of our lives. Well, I mean I think I think you would agree as someone who has read a lot of studies that you know the science behind universal masking is dubious best it s and. and. And so I'm with you there completely I want to circle back to by not saying anything until his poll numbers dropped do realize how agreed you stat is like how horrible that is. So it didn't matter who lost their business or or or it didn't matter how much how much money people lost or he's businesses closed or who was her who was killed to Joe Biden until it affected him. In the polls and that is a problem that's a major problem. It is I mean it's it just goes to show you that the type of character that the man has an again it's not like trump is a perfect man. He's a he says a lot of Shit. He does things that I've disagreed within past even the fact that he still has fouled she around in his cabinet making a lot of. These orders I've called fouts you're fraud from day one I'd never liked the guy he's a crook he looked up with Bill Gates Bill Gates another crook that I think they should investigate look into these guys 'cause they stand to make all this money Bill Gates as all these vaccine companies he's GonNa make billions upon billions of dollars when the vaccine comes out and Fau cheeses puppet really from day one. I've never agree with them. So trump has done things that I have not liked it all he said things that I've hated he's you know sometimes he acts a certain way but it's like when you look at like I said the root actions of what these guys are doing overall you got two choices I think come November you got one of socialism and bigger government and mandates and lockdowns and further shutdowns. And then you got more freedoms, you got the guy who's never been politician until a couple years ago who wants to have more freedoms again, he messes up says stupid, Shit does a lot of questionable things at times. But at the same time, he's GonNa have. He's GonNa continue the freedoms that Americans have and you just look at the things that they're saying things that they're doing the past few. One. Guy Stands for freedom opportunity smaller government and the other guy stands for socialism bigger government more mandates and restrictions. One hundred percent I mean Joe Biden has all but said, you elect me I'm raising your taxes and Oh, by the way I think that's fundamentally wrong on a lot of different levels but people can barely put food on the table as it is right now and he's talking about raising tax and in the middle of pandemic how about this? How about this? I want you to keep more of your own money because it's your money you earned it. You know how you know best how to spend it. Now how about that as a pretty novel concept you know and so it just it just. You're right. This is a fight for the heart and soul of this country. It yeah. The choice is pretty simple freedom or socialism the ability to chart your own pat in this country or total government control over every aspect of your life and I choose freedom. To every day of the week I do want to wrap up in a moment. It's been a great interview just a couple of quick questions. What are your? What are your thoughts on censorship because I think this is kind of a been put in the background especially with the pandemic in. The social issues going on right now. But I do think censorship is probably one of the biggest if not the upcoming biggest issues in this country of different media, Censorship's Big Tech Censorship, and then censorship actually of of lot of. Conservative voices. Oh, it's it's a real problem I mean you know open and honest debate what this country was founded upon the first amendment must be fiercely defended. The First Amendment protects against all forms of speech especially, the speech that you don't like, and so you know section to thirty I'm not as as well versed on on that as I probably should be. But there's no question that the censorship on twitter and in some cases on facebook. Only really go one way. You know serve every single day it's targeted suspended or or life bans for for really no reason my personal philosophy is. I trust the American people to determine what they what they believe is loathsome it. Oh, by the way, censorship does not work. So look at Laura Luma Right? They banned her from every social media platform she's running for Congress she's I think she's coming close to or renting a credible campaign is coming close to outracing her her incumbent about it g banned from every social media platform. For Real. Well, guess what she's on parley now she has a six hundred, thousand followers there. She's running for Congress and she might win so. So the point is we should trust the American people to determine what we believe is low them right because generally speaking the American people are pretty smart again, determined that stuff on their own, but also censorship doesn't work. You just doesn't work. So yet the problem needs to be dealt with for sure and and it's definitely something that I we're going to definitely have. We're we're going to look at it for sure love it. Yeah I got. A Youtube video taken down a few months ago about vitamin C. and how can boost your immune system. I had a bunch of references, scientific literature and their multiple doctors in the past have used it to fight off colds and all kinds of things flu even but they pulled it down because it went against the narrative of like this can boost your immune system potentially help you with a Virus Aka Covid, which is a regular virus common it's A. Common. Colds are thirty percent made up of covert viruses corona virus. But yeah. They pulled it. They don't like that narrative. They don't like anyone going against what the CDC or the WHO, who, by the way have been wrong multiple times over already during the thing but they don't like anyone saying anything against what they have to say, and it's like, let the people determined that if they WANNA have an alternative source of natural health, holistic health vitamin supplements, minerals foods to eat to boost your immune system, what the Hell's wrong with that. Well, I mean the right to try something that I think is important. Right name has something that my opponent voted against but you know you if if God forbid you end up having some sort of. Advanced Stage Four cancer and you you've tried everything right? You tried chemo you try every recommended treatment or Modality to help you. Fight. That none of that works, you should have the right to try experimental medication. You know it's just part of being a free people. Yeah. Absolutely or just even before that stage just to boost your immune system is a natural even out she said, he takes a thousand milligrams of Vitamin C. which is ten times normal RDA. So this guy knows that it's doing something good. He hasn't talked about it. You know and he's trump's. Press. Conferences they got but yeah men it's it's been an awesome movie appreciate your take across the board on. So many things I didn't actually want to dive into much political issues today but I think we kind of went past. Okay. It's it's better because I I want to know where I stand on things. But also that I'm not like divided on one side or another I'm just here to to to share my voice of what I think is right I'm a middle kind of guy on both sides Democrat Republican but right now it's like you got to see the truth for what's going on I. Think you're one of the guys who has that truth in shares out truth in? Man I. Hope You win come November. Thanks man I appreciate it and I appreciate the time. Yeah. So what's the last sendoff takeaway message and then a place I'll listeners can get your new book. Oh. Yeah. You know what? My new book just came out this week it's called one true. Patriot it's it's the third book. I. Bet four books out now but this is my third fiction book. It's by far the best fiction book that I've ever written. It's it's SORTA. Like mission impossible needs twenty four. To really really like it, it's a page Turner I'm really psyched about it and you can get. Anywhere that books are sold. There's a there's a book traditional hardcover book and there's also an audio book. So go out there get it I. Think you'll like it. And and that's about it. Nice. One True Patriot, I got my copy. I got to dive into it this coming week. I'll let you know when I think of a China appreciate your. Much. Thanks take care. All right guys, I hope you enjoyed that episode before you go. There's one last thing I'd like you to do, and that's this subscribe to our podcast right now if you haven't already by subscribing to the podcast, you get every single episode the minute they're released, get all of our elite man podcast episodes and all of our world class advice absolutely free subscribe. Now, if you haven't already in become an elite man today and yes if you do love the podcast, leave us an amazing review, we really do appreciate it.

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Enter the promo code. Sean i'm glad you're with us. Thanks got shannon free. It is eight hundred nine. Four one sean. If you wanna be a part of the program these these hearings in the opening statement. By ron johnson were fascinating today calling his democratic counterpart in a panel A liar for launching. False allegations of russian disinformation The wisconsin republicans gary peters michigan democrat of rather ranking member of the committee spreading misinformation about russian interference in the two thousand sixteen election. It is it is stunning. This is go to now. Russia russia russia. Well we have information about hundred biden and his laptop that came from russia. No didn't actually came from hunter. We're left laptop. You lied repeatedly to the press I was spreading. Roseanne dips information. That was an outright lie. And he's talking about the grassley graham report not the gresley Yeah the chuck grassley johnson report and a this. This isn't about airing your grievances. This is terrible you doing this committee to trying to get answers. You know it's amazing. There's a two thousand seven cut of biden himself saying that. Oh we got to have paper ballots to make sure that machines are not manipulated. Listen pioneer keep it from must be able to be in a position where you can manipulate the machines manipulate directors. The one way to do that is i think we should pass a federal law mandating that the same machines with paper trails be mandatory for every federal election. That will be a multibillion dollar bill for the state because the states will have to make a choice then they have to make a choice whether or not they have two machines. We can't mandate as you know state elections. We can't tell the state of delaware. Ohio or texas what machines and what method. They use the vote in their state election for we can do it. Federally so in a nutshell. I think we should be mandated mandating that we have a paper ballot with the standardized machine standardize while there's a reason that dozens of liberal countries fall more liberal than this have banned these machine ballots and you know you never gonna get conservative. Republicans the mob in the media and liberal democrats all agreeing specially about one particular machine Before the election then have twenty eight states. Use it which is separate and apart from everything we're talking about. There is a bit of a crackup happening. I don't play to cuts here. One is a cossio cortes. We need new leadership in the democratic party. And then saying pelosi and schumer need to go. This is an interesting development. The battle the war for the soul of the democrats has begun. Isn't this grounds though to take a stand and say no. I'm sorry. nancy pelosi should not be the speaker and chuck schumer should not be the leader. Well you know. I do think that we need new leadership in the democratic party. I think one of the things that i have struggled with. I think that a lot of people struggle with is. The internal dynamics of the house has made it such that. There's very little option for succession. If you will you know. And i think that one could just. I think it's easy for someone to say. Oh well why. Don't you run but the houses extraordinarily complex. And i'm not ready. They can't be me. I know that i couldn't do that job. And so even conservative members of the party who think nancy pelosi is far too liberal for them and don't necessarily have any viable alternatives. Which is why whenever there's a challenge a kind of collapses and that is i think the result of just many years of power being concentrated in leadership with a lack of you know real grooming of next generation of leadership. Are you ready to say pelosi and schumer need to go. I mean i. I i think so mean. The question is like this year for example. The hesitancy that i have is that i. I wanna make sure that if we're pointing people in a direction that we have a plan and my concern and i acknowledge as failing as something that we need to sort out is that there isn't a plan. How do we fill that vacuum. Because if you create that vacuum there are so many nefarious forces at play to fill that vacuum with something even worse and so the actual sad state of affairs is that there are folks more conservative than even they are willing to to kind of fill that void. And so the answer's yes. The answer is we. We need to shift power. We need to make sure that we have a transition of power in the leadership of the democratic party. This crackup is just beginning era. It really is. Let me go to before we get to. Senator ron. johnson is opening. Statement was was amazing. Today in what happened in the senate is amazing today. But i wanna go back to you know this. This dissent in wisconsin case four three decision the supreme court and because i think it it literally a really gets to the root of everything that is gonna matter here. You know when you have the chief. Justice of the supreme court of wisconsin saying a significant portion of the public does not believe the presidential election was fairly conducted. He's right once again. Four justices on this court cannot be bothered with addressing what the statutes required to assure. The absentee ballots are lawfully cast. Gone through chapter and verse. My main poke has been on the law. And the constitution. The us constitution and the case of pennsylvania The state constitution in the in the case of wisconsin focused on state law the us constitution. court precedents th the in georgia based on the us constitution. The legislature should be making the decisions you can't have to you know to varying signa- signature verification systems or a consent decree bid by the secretary of state without bringing in the state legislature to to put their approval on it which was constitutionally sound. The way they did it was not. i mean. it's it's all here but four justices on this court can't be bothered with addressing with the statutes require to assure that absentee ballots were lawfully cast. They could care less. I mean for a supreme court justice of a state chief justice to say that is a devastating blow. And it's hard hitting as you're ever going to get the chief justice continuing four members of this court. Throw the cloak over numerous problems. In other words they ignore it. That will be repeated again and again until this court has the courage to correct them. Well that's been our argument that if you follow the law foul the constitution state constitutions federal constitution. That's where this case is. Wanna that's where these that's where all of this matters. And i agree with the chief justice in this case and so many levels and so many states they they. They don't want any part. They don't want anything to do with this. And then it summed up by another dissenting justice. Who said this is not the rule of law. It's the rule of judicial activism through inaction might even take it a step further at the supreme court is way too many political considerations and and too much factoring in of the outcome of whatever decision they come to rather than just focused on the law on the constitution itself which is what their job really is having coequal branches of government checks and balances. That's what it's all about another dissenting justice every single voter in this state meaning. Wisconsin is harm when a vote is cast to con in contravention of the statutes. And you know the the idea that one just said well. It should have been. The case should have been brought earlier. What we're supposed to anticipate the laws are going to be broken. I mean it's absurdity. The logic is not it. Doesn't it's not logic by definition or the state of texas doesn't have standing while if the four states that they were suing in the supreme court with original jurisdiction if law the constitution in fact were followed. Then you wouldn't have the disenfranchisement of people in other states that that that would grant standing in my mind. Anybody ron johnson begin saying you know there were outstanding issues and court cases. But you know then. He goes on to talk about the electoral college and then he goes on to say in his opening statement. Today there are many reasons that the american people have the skepticism that the american public doesn't believe the november election results legitimate. This is not a sustainable state of affairs in our democratic republic. He's right got to have signature verification standards that are equal. You gotta follow state law. You got to follow the. Us constitution state legislatures. They're the they're the ones that decide. Not not some. You know somebody that just decides they want to change things. He goes there many reasons for this high level of skepticism. Senator johnson says it starts with today's climate of hyper partisanship which was only exacerbated. Exacerbated by the persistent efforts to g legitimize the results of two thousand sixteen election is beginning to think. I'm the only one that's pointing that out. That the mob the media big tech. They never censored any stories then. They're the ones that pushed the phony narrative about trump russia collusion in the two thousand sixteen election. That was proven false. That no problem with spying on a presidential candidate or a president. The corrupt investigation the media coverage of the russia collusion hoax reduced our faith and institutions. What i was talking about all week this week institutional failure the media the democratic party week. Republicans the court system this is institutional these the forces institutional forces that are corrupt at a level that most of us really didn't imagine it's hard to come to grips with. I'm telling you everybody that. I know that follows any of this. They're struggling with all this anyway. And the ongoing suppression censorship of conservative perspectives. By bias news media social media adds fuel to the flames. He's right then. He talks about senator. Grassley grassley my investigation and reports on the conflict of interest in foreign financial entanglements of biden of families one example how media suppression cannon does affect the outcome of an election. He's right on that point solid ten percent in recent polls that they didn't know this about biden had they known it would have changed their vote about the whole russia. Russian oligarch chasm gallagher arc's ukraine china. Shopping sprees wire transfers. No experience telling you. The biden family corruption foreign corruption syndicate. This is going to be a real story. That's going to go on for years. Get to the bottom of it. But what. What does china have on. Biden's i'd like to know it's amazing and it's calling and that's by the way their report. Oh this is just. This is russian disinformation. That's a lie to. He says this effort should be bipartisan. Said oversight into election security should continue into the next congress because we must restore competence and integrity in the voting system. I've been saying it every day. My statement announcing this hearing a state of the goals away to resolve suspicions full transparency public awareness. If this does not become our number one priority is a country where we're doomed. We don't have election integrity confidence. The outcome of our elections. Anyway eight hundred. Nine four one. Sean is our number. If you wanna be a part of the program we'll get to more of this pretty amazing statement. Pretty amazing events happening today. We'll get all in the course of the program and it's you know your family can save over eight hundred bucks a year just by switching to pure talk. Usa from the big carriers verizon. A t and t t mobile. Now think about that. What could you family do with an extra eight hundred bucks on average per family per year. Now you don't have to sacrifice coverage because pure talk overs the exact same coverage the same number of bars the same cell towers as all the big carriers but they charge about half look. I'm a customer. I can't afford drop calls. I can't afford slow internet service. And i can tell you. I don't even notice the difference nor will you switch today save money. get unlimited. Talk text two gigs of data. Just twenty bucks a month and if you go over data usage guess what they don't even charge you for it. Just go to pure talk. Usa dot com. Enter the promo code. Sean and when you do you're gonna save fifty percent off your first month. I'ma customer you should be to go to pure talk. Usa dot com. Enter the promo code. Sean let me go to Senator ron continent his own words from pretty powerful moment said he had just have to talk about russian. Disinformation because the people peddling it are not on my side of the aisle seen your democrat leaders including ranking member peter's. We're involved in a process of creating a false intelligence product. It was supposed to classified. They leaked to the media. That accused senator grassley the president pro. Tem the senate and myself of accepting in. Disseminating russian. Disinformation from andrea kirsh. Durkan's i'd never heard of the person tell they brought it up. Sandra peters introduced that drug that false information. Russian disinformation into our investigation record the people so intelligence community during the are after one hundred biden investigation and the revelations of the computer said. Oh this is. This is russian disinformation. Now we find out. That's a real investigation by the justice department. So it's just galling. And i just have to point out that the purveyors of russian disinformation dnc steele dossier. The ranking member accusing senator. Grassley an eye of descending russian disinformation. That's where the information is coming. That's where the false information the lies this false allegations. I can't sit by here and listen to this and say that this disinformation this hearing today. This is we have to take a look at to restore confidence in our election integrity. We were not going to be able to just move on without bringing up these irregularities examining them and providing explanation and see where there really are problems we can correct it. Moving forward senator paul mr mr chairman. I got to respond to that. You're saying i'm putting well one. I did had nothing to do with this report. You lied repeatedly and that you lied repeatedly in the press and i was spreading disinformation and that was an outright lie and i told you to stop lying and you continue to do it. I mean it got very very heated at this committee today and and rightly so. Because that's exactly what happened. I mean look at more. Recently they come out with their report. Grassley and senator ron johnson. And what are the media. Tell us in the lead up to the election about all this stuff. One hundred dollars. This russian disinformation. None of it's true. The new york post none of it's true Then big tech sensors at the media dismisses it now all of a sudden joe's elected then we find out. Oh my gosh. It was real. We can report a little bit of. We're not going to report all of it. 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Happy mother's day from our great friends at shamanee. Get double your order. Free right now. Genu- sal dot com eight hundred skin five zero nine twenty five till the top of the hour. We'll get back to the hearings. And the eruption took place in the hearings with ron. Johnson is going to be on hannity tonight. Nine eastern fox news sweet baby. James does all by email. I don't really have an email account anymore in any way so he gets emails from job. Starting job he'd ever rights and says hey. How're you doing what's up. How's work going. No he does occasionally. We're used to. It'll text me occasionally. But all i get is you're about to get pounded with a foot of snow. You're ready and that was pretty much a sweet baby james. Today a nor'easter could be the biggest east coast storm in years one prediction actually as high as in some areas as much as two feet of snow in parts of the east coast. A sweet baby do we have. We have enough shovels out here anyway. Job star there's going to be two feet or i thought it was one foot now. It's two feet. It's not two feet there. It's to feedback here where i am good in pennsylvania mean yeah but yeah that's right. We're pencil taki where i am. I come out look for me. No the your area where you are. I should take around a foot of snow but the wind is going gusts of sixty miles an hour and the big thing out on the island into northern jersey. is that they can be a changeover. And everything is wet and the wind starts coming in and fifty sixty miles an hour between nine and midnight and also the power outages that can occur. And by the way i do. I do text you about your workouts. Okay you you do you do all right. So who's going to get hammered. The most and how much is the most you really going to get two feet of snow whether or not used to chase like tornadoes. And you're storm chasing your your weather. Not you love doing this stuff. A what i love more now is trying to forecast as far as we can because what we do whether bill we got all sorts of clients and the weather service a great people so we have to get him out of information as quick as possible so sweet baby and linda. We're seeing those emails start friday. And what i do is i also include them so they don't get caught off guard with things so so from you. And you are the official meteorologist of the sean hannity. Radio show whether bell dot com we. You're the best what you do. You're great at it. And and there are times when you give them valuable information about hurricanes tornadoes and storms like this one and you're saying this for some people are going to be pretty bad. Well yeah it's going to be attorney. Terry where roads are going to be closed Let's say stay my where i'm state college harrisburg scranton. Night i eighty quarter between williamsport. Stroudsburg probably gonna get shut down at least several hours our governors trying to shut the state down. Mother nature gets jealous. And somehow show you wanna to see how you really shut things down. Shut things down now in new york city. I think you're going to see rain. And sleet mixed in for a few hours. Which will hold totals down from what they are to the north and west if you live in orange county Orange county. You're probably go see up to eighteen inches of snow in their danbury connecticut. Eighteen to thirty inches of snow and there Yeah i got providence. In boston twelve to eighteen inches in there but the big fight zone is Across long island and back into princeton langhorne pennsylvania those areas are probably going to get saved from the extreme snow amount but the swap is sleet freezing rain and wind gusts to fifty miles an hour. Take your power out. dc's over to rain. they're done with this particular storm. There's a lot of sleet and freezing rain and the northern western suburbs and making sure that taking care of the great one who lives You know someplace within a hundred miles a dc. I watch a great one but you're giving away bunker locations house top secret that is you shouldn't be given away blevins bunker hold on a second. I'm telling him i'm gonna now joba study. I'll say it. Nobody else so say. I don't even know exactly where the great one lives. I know did you within a hundred now. If you had been in a bunker they bought they blindfold you and you feel like you're driving around in circles before you ever gain entrance to the bunker. That's the truth. I've joined the club. And i got to ahead the cops come over here one night and told me you know. We got people making threats against you. I always i always knew that was going on. But i never had the cops come over here. You know. I'm sure you may have had the same experience. My mom calls me and she's crying. You asked me why people hate me so much i well. What do you want to know anyway. The violin all right so this is going to be a big storm. Now look and that means people are gonna grace to the store. They're going to you know empty. The shelves of toilet paper paper towels. It's now if you weren't listening to what about and this is catching you off. Guard see that shameless plug. But it's too late. you stay is there. There's no toilet paper left again. Is that what you're telling us. Why is it. Everyone grabs the toilet paper toilet paper the most popular item in a store when something is about to happen. I hate that part plenty of toilet paper in this house. I'll tell you that right now. But i'm not telling you where my house is so you can't come up wi you don't you won't but who knows what's going on. I'm in a college town for goodness sakes but in any case look let me let me get the i ninety five of boston and providence twelve to eighteen all right new york city about a foot but sleet freezing rain. Mix in get down from long island where you are you know. I'm not saying where he is. But much of the island's getting about a foot of snow and then a change over to sleet and freezing rain and the wind is gonna come cranking in there and a problem again in these areas for about six hours intersection between wet snow. Rain sleet freezing rain. Like johnny cash song over here. And he's winds gusty the fifty sixty miles an hour going to create problems with power. So your power may go out back where i am. It's going to close roads for a day. Perhaps two days until they get it cleared up. The good thing about this storm is when it leaves. It's not going to be followed by northwest winds at sixty fifty blowing and drifting. And all that it's gonna leave and the weather's relatively tranquil it I mean it's it's gonna be The type of weather where we probably will be able to sustain the snow cover for white christmas and a lot of areas between now and then you never know all right. Joe ardinger yes. I do think it will try to say you know. I think it's gonna try tomorrow. That's true that's true whether belt dot com joba. Thank you sir. Eight hundred nine. Four one sean. If you wanna be a part of the program you know so. Johnson is right today holding these years. This should be a bipartisan effort. Why isn't it. I think about that. It's not for a reason. Because they don't want the integrity they want the result. A stated its goal was to resolve suspicions and full transparency public awareness. That is what good oversight can accomplish. Unfortunately the have democrats they just want the results anyway. He says i believe that. Alleged irregularities organized into three basic categories lax enforcement by of election laws that happened everywhere partisan observers couldn't observe among many others in controls to fraudulent votes ballot stuffing and three corruption voting machines software. That might be programmed address switch votes. In the time we've had. It was impossible to identify and examine every allegation. Many of the irregularities raise legitimate concern. There's some truth to that. You just get to a point for me. The focus became the law the constitution and state constitutions and all these democrats that were against it. I mean you never have any agreement at all. All these democrats all warned about voting machines and all of this and early voting and they all warned against all of this is a reason why all of these other countries around the globe don't use voting machines anyway. So fireworks erupted over there. And you know. I don't think any of it is surprising anybody by the way we have some hunter. Zero experience hunter biden news. Two thousand seventeen sent best wishes from the entire biden family to china firm chairman requesting a ten million dollar wire. I never got a penny from china. His lawyer comes out well. He has all equity. Hasn't actually cashed in the millions and millions of dollars anyway. Asking the chairman of properly funded operate the biden joint venture with a chinese energy company and it goes on to say the correspondence between hunter and the chairman of what is the s. The c- efc shows that joe biden's son extending best wishes for the entire family urging the chairman. Quickly send a ten million dollar wire to properly fund and operate the biden joint venture with the now bankrupt chinese energy company. I guess he had all that experience now. All of a sudden from berea sma transfer was never completed. Fox news obtained a copy of the email and asking the chair the my letter to chairman ye and that they should extend my warmest best wishes. I hope to To see the chairman soon. I hope my friends are well. I regret missing you on the last trip to the. Us he said in the attached love. Please accept our best wishes for from the entire biden families. Well as partners father didn't know have the right to say that on his father's behalf. I don't know That's another good question. By the way biden's quote inauguration plant there's urging supporters stay home so he can hide in the basement as usual. I mean. I know that these are hard times for everybody. I get it. It's rough you know. I just wonder you know we played last night. This eric swallow tape. This guy was pushing probably as hard as anybody in congress along with the compromise. corrupt congenital. Liar adam schiff and jerry nadler and you know pushing pushing him lying and lying and advancing the false narratives that trump russia collusion happen and the entire time he knew he was compromised with this woman that turned out to be a chinese spy that had apparently numerous affairs with elected officials around. The country never told any republican on the house intel committee between the biden's and that means joe and hunter and whatever correspondents and you know one of the things that some top intel people have told mees when you go to a country like china or any country where they are dominant in terms of intelligence. They're monitoring everything you go to singapore. We go to vietnam. I mean literally. I'm handed from my job a burner phone. Don't use your real phone. don't even turn it on because they'll download everything on it and second. That's what i'm told they really. I have these guys that literally checked the room staying in for bugs. It's insane but that's like the world spies that we live in so knowing. The deep sophistication of a hostile regime. A hostile country like china just like a hostile country like russia or iran or other countries. You know you do. We think that they they actually made the deal with hundred. Because he had all this experience and private equity. I don't think so. I mean it was actually really scary. What rick grenell was saying that you know this christine fang is just one of many spies. Involved with top ranking officials in the united states. You know whenever you get to the the serious significant involved and then the lack of experience of hunter and all these countries that wanna hire him and do business with him well not hiring him because of his vast experience and because he's the best qualified it's obvious they think they're buying access and then the question is how much access did they ultimately get me know about barista about attempts hunter and anne archer and others to go to the state department as it relates to issues that that barista was dealing with we know joe's involvement you're not getting a billion dollars. What was there any involvement with russia. And the first lady of moscow and the russian oligarch or the catholic oligarchy or the chinese national shopping spree. Really gonna take my family out on a shopping spree in an spend a hundred grand. You're gonna give me money for one hundred and forty thousand dollars a year. Mark that sucker for a car and then you're going to allow this guy swallow to just get away five years not telling anybody in the house intel committee that in fact he was compromised on a matter of if he was compromised compromised. This woman was raising money for his campaign got interns in his office. You think the chances odds are high that the intern was a spy. Are you're probably once publican. Sending the nancy pelosi demand swale well be removed from the house intel committee. Why is there is unbelievable to me. just unbelievable. demand for telemedicine grows. So does the need for connectivity. Five g. meets that need qualcomm remains focused on giving doctors and patients superior rich five g connectivity. Learn more at qualcomm dot com slash invention age right simple man leonard skinner hour. Two sean. hannity show eight hundred nine four one. Sean is our telephone number. You wanna be a part of this extravaganza ganda and simple man means. It's all things. Bill o'reilly bill o'reilly dot com. He claims to be a simple man. I argue. He's as complicated human beings. I've ever met mr o'reilly merry christmas. This'll be our last show of the year together last time. You're on this year auto. Okay really because i take off so little especially compared to you why i have to rest because i you know i. I grew older person. I got it good one. Where's your older man. Mr simple and older right. Yeah so you're going to be off. I'm our work a little bit next week. I'm bill o'reilly dot com. And i'm gonna take a few days off and i appreciate the merry christmas. I hope you have a good one. You deserve it But a tough worse year since nineteen twenty nine. You're talking about as a country overall the corona anarchy horrible election fraud or all the above. It's the worship here in the united states since the collapse of the financial system in nineteen twenty nine and all the things that you mentioned plus more the worst thing about it is the civil war between americans and that has been exacerbated of course by the election and the cova just depresses everybody. So who's happy you know. You can't even chachi saying you can't even see your mom on on christmas. I mean come on. Don't get worse than this but it's well and think about i mean family's three hundred thousand of them we've lost loved ones and the worst pandemic since one thousand nine hundred seventeen or eighteen. You know out of out of horrible situations though and it's that's as horrible as you can get. I mean. look at the the amazing how are scientists and medical researchers and doctors and first responders nurses you know they they rise to the occasion and in less than a year bill o'reilly We now have a vaccine that is going in people's arms and by end of this year. We'll have you know. Millions and millions of doses. That will be given out already. You know that's a historic achievement. Five the trump administration that will never be acknowledged because of our corrupt media Also the economy that he forged. I think help more americans than any other economy in my lifetime and now the progressives are trying to destroy So you know when you add it all up. This is not been a good year I don't know you know nobody's allowed to go to times square anyway. But if they were. I don't think they'd go. I'm not celebrating this year Because it has been an awful situation for almost every american and that's the truth you know it's But we are americans bill and our parents. My dad's sir. Four years in the pacific he grew up in the great depression This country has faced hard times before we all lived through nine eleven We've all experienced loss hardship suffering. I think anyone goes through this life. Bill o'reilly and i know you're a good catholic guy. nobody goes through this life without trial and tribulation. And i don't care if you're born with money you have no money. It's not a financial thing. it's it's a life thing but you want to basically have a society that is united and we're not unless be honest about it. We're not and what my job is in in your job. I think you're some paddock with me. On this is to tell americans the truth and a lot of times. It's harsh about your country. Now we all resilient people history does go in cycles. I think that things will change for the better. But it's gonna be a tough struggle primarily because for the first time we don't have an honest flow of information so we have these social media companies that are censoring. That's gotta be dealt with by congress has to be and then you add the corporate media which is flat out corrupt as we saw with the incessant attacks on donald trump and the coverage of the election. So these are really really severe problems that we're going to have to address the people you know what's scary to me. I never thought in our lifetime. Bill that we'd see just widespread dishonesty laws violated you know hundreds and hundreds of americans. I thought we praised whistle blowers his courageous and patriotic. And i don't know what you thought when you were watching these witnesses describe that they weren't allowed to follow the law and observe election counting. And you know we're finding balance five six weeks after the election. We we hear story after story after story. People good people that to dedicated their time and and these horrible stories about what is what happened in this election. I mean. I always thought this couldn't happen here. Bill but guess what had happened here. The real tragedy about the election is at forty three thousand votes. In three states put joe biden in the oval office. That's all forty three thousand. And you and i last week pledged to try to get the justice department to point a special counsel to examine allegations of voter tampering voter fraud. Bad machines on every american should want that including joe biden. I don't believe the president-elect does want it but step back you're a liberal american. Why would you not want to know if your country. He's election was fraudulent. Wouldn't you want to know that. do you know that. In the eu there twenty seven countries that ban mail in voting in the most liberal collective nations on earth most of them ban mail in voting. Did you know that i did. I've been talking about mexico. Bands it brazil. Bandit japan bands. It why why. It's all the same reason it's too easy to corrupt so these countries which are not conservative bastions. So you don't want we'll give you the absentee but you'll have to obey the rules and we require voter. Id's so when i went through we went through all of this early on and we've done it numerous times. You need voter identification socratic. National committee made a joke. The last time. I brought it up you need. You need it an idea picture. Id okay. you've gotta have signature verification with a signature on record you can't have varying systems you know. The constitution is clear about state legislatures. They're the ones that make up the voting rolls in the states. And then you can have one individual or a few individuals just decided to change last minute. If the law calls for partisan observers than partisan observers need to watch why we would ever pick a machine that that liberal journalists liberal democrats conservative republicans all have criticized where the united states. We pick the one thing that that know. These three parties never agree on a thing but they all agreed. Y- they don't like that voting system Yet twenty-eight stage used it At all of this together and there is what eighty three percent of trump supporters eighty three percent of republicans do not trust the outcome of the election. And i happen to be among them. You know what but this is the one issue that. I'm hoping americans can come together on. We'd like to have an honest. I hate to tell you in this divided time and saying this with all due respect. I think it's a pipe dream. I don't think that's going to happen. They got the result they wanted. Why would they care about changing the system. Yeah that's because the media won't get behind it. If the media the left wing media corporate media got behind it bill they they got the outcome they wanted. They hate trump. no. I know that. But i i mean i'm going to call you a bad american if you don't support it's really mean headline o'reilly calls hannity ban american you elective. I'm going to call my next door neighbor or anybody else. A bad american. If you don't want an honest vote if walmart Situations where dishonesty can while if we don't fix it. We need to facts about the election. Two thousand twenty. Who took the bill. I wanna sing going into this election. How do we have this election when we never got to the bottom of all that had happened in the last election. now think about nineteen sixty Exactly that well. I mean i going forward moistens of reason okay. That's me on thursday. Friday and monday that you just joking such a wise ass you born what are you. What are you call the. What was the name of that book about you. Being in carnival child a bold fresh piece of humanity okay. I was just called incorrigible teachers. That loved it that i played hooky every day. They loved it. They were happy. I didn't show up. They'd mark me present just to just to keep me away. They give you lunch money. Not the show the same same category you know. I mean. I think that we have to try to sit down with our liberal neighbors and r biden supporters. On the hate. You bill bill. Your hated try to reason with them. Build the site of you. I've been out with you. The sight of you and you could see it in people's faces. They bubble and fizz like alka seltzer in water. And they all wanna hit you but they're afraid of me. I gotta tell everybody listening today. Hannity in iowa and out a few months ago to a nice italian restaurant on long island we walked in together. And it was like the mel brooks movie producers during hitler this true excellent set a word. Mouths open everything stops. It's lot data. We gotta help restaurent friends. I feel so bad for these. My friends in the restaurant business don't you. It's horrible i you doing. I'm doing. I'm like buying all this food. No i'm not gonna eat because i just got kinda. Wanna keep everybody going on. Maybe it's just a small gesture but if everyone does a little small gesture. Hopefully these guys can survive. Rock can't cook anyway. So i'm always eating now and always getting taken but i am giving a lot of money Through my charitable foundation named after my parents to Suspect well we both gave to the food bank. But where i live you generous to give to my food bank now my feet. Thank the one of my town and we did the goya thing. We did And we are absolutely those of us who are fortunate. And then a and i are in those In that category We have to help those who are getting pounded by the pandemic. And i want to do so in your hometown. I don't have the hope that you do log. I'll give you one example you got biden's incoming chief of staff said that republicans are a bunch of efforts and i'm like oh there we go. That's his chief of staff where a bunch efforts and mcconnell's the worst of the mall. That's a great way to come in and start negotiations on his part when you say i was taken aback and i did this on bill. O'reilly dot com last night by his monday speech when he had a frog in his throat. Now that happens to all of us but the frog was very confused because the frogs don't wait a minute he just said he wants to unite the country and now he's calling everybody in it. Who wants a fair vote. Count is acting country with seventy four million. People think they got jobbed. Do say look. I wanna fair election. I'm going to appoint an attorney. General's going to appoint a special counsel to look into the election and make sure we can improve things. If bida done that on monday then i would have said maybe the guy does want to unite the country. Maybe he is looking out for everybody but he's not I don't even think he knows what he's saying at the time he said in his speech on monday to catch this. I call it all. Americans of warren oath to the constitution. You remember i don. I don't remember taking that. Maybe i took it. What is being baptized. When i was six months old. And i didn't know it but i don't. We actually grew up in a time where you can mention god and jesus in the classroom and you weren't thrown out. I mean those times have changed bill. I don't even think shaman allows and they made they may be one of the few holdouts you can mention god and jesus say merry christmas. Thanks to me addity. I remember every year bill. O'reilly's war on christmas segments and it would become the press would like go insane that he's saying this war on christmas and it was worth it just for the reaction would get from the mob. Do you remember when target told their employees. They couldn't say mary remember that. That's a big deal though. I mean why can't you take. What and the next day. It was a one person in targeted all over the country. Now thought bill o'reilly probably the closest you know a modern day version of not being. You're very generous. Not in that sense. You know bah humbug and scrooge and curmudgeonly as a as a character There's a there's a character as ation of you as such. You know being the guy that save christmas. What a great irony that would that is. Isn't it i listened to. I don't go to heaven. Man the fixtures in well we saw and to all a good night right. Yeah but you know. I will say this. I love this country so much. And i know some many people that are listening to us. Now do we have to save this country. I can't imagine if we don't save this country the world without us. I and i'm not like a guy that home and rings my hands on worries. But i'm really worried about future generations. Bill we hope and pray on that one. But i gotta let you go bill. O'reilly dot com all things o'reilly sir. Simple man Merry christmas my friend. Happy new year. We'll see in the new year support for this. Podcast comes from walgreens. 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They're going to win a lot of people friends of mine. Say let's we're not gonna vote because we're angry about the presidential and friends of mine. They have people that great people there real friends and more than just to there are numerous people and it's almost like a protest. But if you do that the radical left winds okay. It was sort of an instinct of mind. You're angry because so many votes was stolen. It was taken away and you say well we're not gonna do. We can't do that. We have to actually do just the opposite. We can't do that we can't do. We have to do if you don't vote the socialists and the communists win they win. The president couldn't be more right now. We have a number of polls that have been coming out. In recent days we have insider advantage. And that's my towers pollster And he interestingly has both republicans up by one point and one point only forty nine forty eight exactly the same. We have the latest Poll by the trafalgar group. That's robert haley. And in that race he actually has Ossoff up on perdue forty nine point one to forty eight point eight. His law floor ahead of warnock fifty point four forty seven point three. They both join us now. And i must say that the two guys and two of a very unique. Perhaps i don't not sure john mclaughlin might be the only other one scott rasping recipes. I think did well to that. Really called both twenty sixteen and twenty twenty accurately Anyway robert thank you for being back matt. Thank you for being back. Interestingly both have their roots in georgia and they know the state better than than any pollsters in the country so having the best pollsters from the state that matters now is Important matt your poll. Just came out yesterday fox. Five insider advantage poll forty nine forty eight both races. That is too close for my liking. It's very tenuous situation. Show on the what. I'm not liking right now. Is what i'm saying and the tracking of the voter turn right now And we have a way to track the ballots that are cast it it's anemic The african american percent cast right now is well over. Thirty percents closer to that thirty. Three percent That would have to come down for a republican to be able to win just historically based on on many many prior races and also i'm seeing That a large portion of this early though of course our older voters in my poll older voters are breaking in about the mid fifties for the republicans that we need to get that higher. If you're gonna see a republican win so this is a very tenuous race. I wouldn't be ready to call or suggested either either party or any of these candidates has an edge at the moment and i. It's interesting you actually have perdue down by just a few tenths of a point but kelly laughlin with a you know based in this race of decently against warnock. I'll why the disparity robber kaley. Well we see Some there's a small segment of voters that a lot of them are encompassed. Some of the suburban Moms and stuff like that that didn't like trump. That much aren't socially conservative but they some of small group has a a kind of a complex in their heart for ossoff until we see some Leffler ossoff costs over there and we saw also see that a little bit with an independent and getting a lot of feedback that the debate and the fact that left for debate. And purdue did and stuff like that. But i i would agree with that and then mary close Wouldn't wanna make a call either direction and From what we see the way the early voting. I gotta agree with him. A significant turn out and it is all even though when it's below the pace from twenty twenty at the twenty twenty presidential at this point The turnout significant any. It's it's weighted very strongly in a way that will be then. I i have the numbers. Either one of you. Correct me if i'm wrong. But in november november third a million seven hundred forty thousand seven hundred ninety. Five people requested a mail in ballot. One million three hundred and sixty two thousand three hundred sixty nine actually used that mail in vow ballot now the request. This time are about a half a million less requests and a third less than they had the november election. And you know so you have. You know six hundred thousand of the people on the list for mail in ballots. Six hundred one point seven million. They put on a list for a long time. But what are we. Learning from early voting. Which started on. Monday matt towery. What do you glean from stacey. Abrams contending that eighty-five thousand of one point two million mail in ballot applications received the state so far come from democratic leaning voters. Is that true. Who didn't vote november. She's claiming well we see so far about eighteen. Thousand voters voting this time. I think that's correct. I maybe a little bit off Maybe a little less than that voting right now. Who did not vote in the november twenty twenty general election so there is some truth to the concept that there may be new voters at that presumably the democrats for the most part have been able to find what i'm finding though and this is a positive for the republicans at the early we are seeing a A slight decrease in that african american percent of the overall vote yesterday. It was closer to thirty four percent. Today it's a little closer to thirty two percent if that continues to decline then you've got a better chance for the republicans have sporting chance of winning. If that doesn't decline into the upper twenties but when you have another category called other which is really oftentimes ends up being a combination of of other nationalities and african americans as well then. That's very problematic for the republicans. So they're right on the on the razor's edge of this being competitive race with the republicans or not becoming a competitive right now. It's a competitive race. But they got to see that early voting pickup and they've gotta be able to turn their folks out on election day which i think only donald trump in the end can be the motivator to get people out of their armchairs an end to the voting booth if they're actually going to vote on the election day of january fifth which is a horrific time to stage in election. The worst day possible. Robert your take on that. I absolutely agree. I mean right now. So far with the ones that are voting that did not vote in twenty twenty. We see it's a two point six percent it's already eighteen thousand people And so we don't have a good number as to how many of those red shirts like Abrams is claiming But i mean two point. Six percent of the evernote Is it significant. And so this this. This turn out has got to be answered on election day and that that's going to be or additional republicans participating As we get closer to the election because there's a drink continues to turn out low when election day being difficult day that that's not very good news for the republicans another sidebar issue. You've actually robert factored into your polling. What a three point seven percent margin for potential fraud. Both of you have pulled the question. There was a press release by law floor and purdue about changing the name of the atlanta braves. i mean overwhelmingly. The number was seventy one percent around there. And i think you both had pretty much the same numbers of people in georgia that do not want the atlanta braves to change. The name of the team. is that now becoming a wedge issue. I wrote robert. Yeah i i feel like it is because people don't let people always say people vote wasn't et cetera. People vote on motion and this is one of those motions issues in in. It's so diverse in the sense that it whether it sexual whether it racial demographic all the way across the support for the braves is is just there. This is hank aaron's team and so it's one of those things that can have people that feel strongly and you know. I always say with cancel culture. It it's one of those things where you can dismiss it or you can embrace it but when you get a real opinion wants to cancel something you care about and this is something that the people in the state care about a lot. You know one of the things we've talked about. There is a lot of conservative resentment towards the governor. The secretary state The fact that the you know you have the secretary of state literally signing onto a consent agreement i believe on constitutional allowing for two signature verification systems one relaxed standard for mail in balloting in a very different standard for in person voting. A lot of people mad. They hadn't taken any steps to fix that or call a special session of fix it. I would argue. It's unconstitutional putting that argument aside. You know there's a lot of things at stake for the president himself. Not the least of which is the hard work he's done over. The last four years the endless investigations a democratic senate majority would engage in against him and his family in perpetuity And on top of that stopping this radical agenda having at least one body that will stop it. I mean you don't have any hope if you don't have the majority in the senate now you down and I would not let me say this about robert. Robert had a fantastic Polling year and we had a great one to But it's ironic that really the powers that be so don't really like to hear what the two of us have to say. Even though we seem to be right most of the time. I think we would both agree that. President trump is a critical Portion of getting voted out in georgia. I'm surprised that we didn't see commercials earlier. On that link the two candidates with president trump a strong who has one now the does basically all trump talking about purdue well and that's it's about time because that's the only way they're going to get these folks out to turn out to vote they they you know. Us senators don't gender a whole lot of of of love and devotion. Unless you get some superstar like lindsey graham or someone who really stands out and in this case these are fine. Us senators but they they just don't have the love of the people The way some of these other senators have and certainly better than politicians but donald trump is a religion for for most republicans in georgia. And they've got to use him in every way shape possible to get that south middle georgia and north georgia. Vote out of because really a run off more than anything. I run a zillion campaigns. You know it seems like over the year sean. It's about getting the people out to vote. Everyone made their mind up. You're not going to change a lot of mind. You've just got to get them out and get them to vote. At the end of the day push comes to shove. How do you see this ending up. for me You know. I wouldn't wanna be that bad i mean. Your poll is forty nine forty eight each. I mean basically. It's it's a it's a. These are two elections on the edge. John i don't like the way. The turnout is developing right now. But that does not mean that it can't change. That's about the best. I can say at least for the republican side. So i i you know i you know split. The to robert may be onto something. Maybe one win one dozen But right now. I would not be willing to bet on either one of these races and robert push comes to shove houses going to end up in georgia. Considering you know the grave importance that has for the whole country. Well it could be the same thing we were looking at before. I mean we could have a whole nasty fight. I mean that's that's what i was thinking. Nothing you know we. We keep running the voters. Who say what. Are you going to different well if nothing is done different. We're going to be in the exact same boat we work for they're gonna be they're gonna be retaining. There's gonna be all kinds of these allegations and ma bought. Something i think is really important. Is the number. People that are voting. That are have sketchy details. Like they can't tell us what sex they are. They can't tell us what race they are. They can't even knows what age they are. Who are those people and why. Why is it that if you vote in person in georgia you need a voter. Id and said you get a signature verification based on what georgia has in their voting base. Well there's been a very effort. Not only in georgia but everywhere else does to loosen those regulations and increase the mail ballots. They've got to address this. They should have addressed it before this election. But this is around the country in the name of inclusion. We're we're including people that that. Have you know anybody with a driver's license. The sits motor-voter. I mean you got a green card driver's license man. I heard you wanted to weigh in matt. Well i was gonna say is this. I mean it was obvious that they should have stepped in and try to fix the situation in georgia and if there's any degree to which republicans don't turn out part of that is going to be there irritation at the leadership for not doing something about this. All of that said the one positive for the republican is the fewer absentee ballots. Yeah the last opportunity. There is for mischief. If one assumes that mischief took place But we still have a boatload relative to the overall vote because i like i said i think the turnouts but it's not something that i would be taken to the bank if i were republican right now support for this. Podcast comes from we work. 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Well we'll extend out Mail in ballots for three days without going to the state legislature. That's unconstitutional. that's that's a matter of fact that's a matter of law or the state constitution and pennsylvania did not allow for mail in balloting. But they decided to do it anyway and literally contradicting that which was in their own state constitution when they passed the build number seventy or in in in the in the legislature without following their own state constitution and thought the supreme court. I thought they had a strong case. They decided not to take it up. Then you have the case in georgia wary of a consent agreement after lawsuit but all these varying democratic groups and they had two sets of signature verification standards one for in person voting which was stringent and another more relaxed standard for those that. Were involved a mail in ballots. And then you have. In the state of wisconsin i slam dunk as as far as i could see. And in that state it's clear they don't allow early voting and in that particular case if you follow state law if you follow court precedent if you follow the state constitution. Then it's crystal clear on the law and now you've got yourself a situation where the results now warrant legal or constitutional. Anyway i'm gonna get to what the court said in wisconsin in a second but this tape to you know people have found today. Pj media founded biden saying there should be one machine used nationally with a paper ballot to ensure. The machine was not manipulated. Sounds a lot like donald trump and trump supporters. Listen to keep it from must be to be in a position where you can manipulate the machines manipulate director. The one way to do that is i think we should pass a federal law mandating that the same machines with paper trails be mandatory for every federal election. That will be a multibillion dollar bill for the states because the states will have to make a choice then they have to make a choice whether or not they have. Two machines we can't mandate you know state elections. We can't tell the state of delaware. Ohio or texas. What machines. And what met that. They used a vote in their state election for. We can do it. Federally so in a nutshell. I think we should be mandate mandating that we have a paper ballots with the standardized machine standardized requirement that was biden but that was biden biden has been nothing but quiet and hiding in his bunker ever since now. The supreme court decision stated wisconsin four three decision and the chief justice writing a powerful blistering dissent saying a significant portion of the public does not believe that the presidential election was fairly conducted once again. Four justices on this court seven justices Cannot be bothered with addressing what the statutes required to assure that absentee ballots unlawfully cast the chief justice continues for members of this court. Throw the cloak over numerous problems that will be repeated again and again until this court has the courage to correct them that for supreme court justice in a state is a devastating beatdown. Another dissenting justice. Every single voter in this state is harmed when a vote is cast in contravention of the statutes and continues at the ruling is quote doomed to create chaos uncertainty undermine confidence spawn needless litigation. This is not the rule of law. It is the rule of judicial activism. Through inaction ryan's previous has been keeping us up to speed From the get go on this and is really become the expert go expert in the country on it one. He just laid out in your own words. You're also lawyer how how relevant this is and how profound this sentence. Well thank you for having me sean. Yeah i mean you you keep hearing democrats saying that. The trump campaign filing garbage lost. Well we had a four three decision here. We were one. Vote away from really turning the wisconsin election upside down and really what it comes down to is the fact that we have. We have something very different. Going on here in wisconsin and other states as you outline we. This is not as much about People hauling and that other people filled out this is a matter of people in government that are in charge of executing a legal election taking the law in their own hands and rewriting the laws that the legislative branch is supposed to be writing. We have an article to article three via constitutional crisis in this country. That is either. The courts deciding how elections are going to be run or you have government bureaucrats deciding though that the laws that the legislature passed shouldn't be followed and that is exactly what happened in wisconsin. Which is you have clerks that have decided in a state that doesn't allow early vote to create an entirely different system to allow people to vote early through the absentee ballot system. Except for the fact that in wisconsin most states absentee ballot they absentee ballot process has to be followed very specifically by statute and the statutes are unequivocal in the fact that they have to be followed exactly right and they didn't do that in wisconsin. So the fact that you read this blistering dissent. How rare is that that you're going to hear you know. Basically the chief justice calling everybody else on the court a coward that didn't vote the right way and didn't didn't stand by the law. Well it's extraordinary and that it was an eighty one page decision so for your listeners. That are not expect people to follow every one of these details but imagine you have the entire election of the state of wisconsin comes down to this decision and eighty one page opinion decided by basically one judge that was actually a judge that the president support it. This was a judge that the president tweeted about and helped get elected Purported to be a conservative and what he did was kind of strange he hid behind a legal doctrine. Called latches and really what that means is that he's basically trying to say. I don't want to decide on the merits of this. Because i think you should have brought this lawsuit a few months earlier when you right and here's why it's week and one of the justice of says it exactly h- justice ziegler set in the opinion to somehow require. That challenges must be made before an election before the ballots are cast and before recount is absurd. It's almost it's almost something you could take to the supreme court under an article two violation. Which is what you're saying is is that in. Order for you sean. Or anyone listening to run for office. you need to relitigate all of your gripes and concerns with the election laws prior to an actual violation from taking place. Just in case you need to go to court so that you don't get thrown out on this theory of of what they call latches. It is absurd to require that of people running for office and it's not constitutional previous continues with us on the supreme court beatdown descent Four three decision unbelievable. The wording is unreal. Explain to people the fact that in wisconsin. They don't allow early voting now. They do allow for absentee ballots. They do allow for people that have conditions that don't allow them to leave their house but not widespread absentee ballots and there is a process that must be followed that wasn't followed in the state for this particular election leading an impacting about a couple of hundred thousand votes. Yeah so basically. The state of wisconsin and a lot of different states who went through a big debate many years ago over whether or not they were going to allow for early vote meaning early vote. Meaning what most probably people know about. Which is you show up at your precinct or a location with near your home and you shop just like you would on election day show but their identification you show it you get your ballot. You vote you move on with your day in wisconsin. It was decided a long time ago that we would not allow that kind of process in the state of wisconsin. But we would allow absentee ballot voting. So what would have what. So what the clerks is they said okay. We're going to do something in personality ballot voting. But the problem were these clerks isn't in this case. Is that if they allow in personality ballot voting. The law says you still need to comply with the absentee ballot voting rules which means you have to have an application and in this case in the state of wisconsin and this election. They had no application so someone would show up to vote. They're normally be an application. I want an absentee ballot. Because of this reason here's my name. Here's my identification. Here's where i live. Here's the information you turn that in the clerk give you a ballot you put it in the envelope you turn it in and so what happened in this case is that the democrats said well. Yeah we didn't comply with the law but the envelope. We're gonna say the envelope that you put the ballot in the application except for number one. The law requires an actual application and the law says the application after voting is held it with the municipal clerks and the envelope is held at the county so the envelope can't be the applications second reason if i give you an absentee ballot and you put it in the envelope. Obviously the envelope can't be that petition. Because i would've given you the ballot before you put the envelope that would end up becoming according to the democrats the application. So that's the first thing. I w- one and then also were literally actively seeking out early votes in parks and elsewhere. Aren't they well right so they had something in. Madison called democracy in the park and democracy and the park was where the game county clerk. Food by. The way was now ruled. This was not proper at all. And another case the dane county clerk said you can come to all these locations in the park and declare yourself what's called indefinitely then. Fine meaning okay sean. Hannity lives in madison wisconsin. You know what. I'm gonna go to the park or you get out of your car. Your home indefinitely confined. How come momentum park right and in wisconsin if you're indefinitely confined which is usually very elderly very sad situations nursing homes. You don't have to have a photo identification the nursing professional the doctor in the nursing home vouches for the fact that year citizen there. You're confined to this nursing. Vote well in dane. County your show up at the park. you don't have identification you say i'm indefinitely confined. You sign a document and you move on your way and and by the way all in an absentee ballot fashion without the application without finding any of the rules and and then even on top of that which was a part of this case is that they put them in dropbox and then what they did was they. Put the snp ballots and drop boxes and they were co mingled with other ballots. So in the end you couldn't tell the fifty thousand ballots that were done that way. As opposed to the hundred thousand ballots were done properly which was also in violation of the law. I mean you can't even make this up. I mean indefinitely. Okay the get to the park if you can get to the parking get to the polling place. And how many ballots are we talking about. Because i mean it's almost like you gotta be kidding me. Talk about a slight of overhead. Fake all the and all these things that i just mentioned to you in just two counties. You're talking over two hundred and twenty thousand ballots in the brief to the court. There were all kinds of you know this indefinitely confined where these people that claim there indefinitely confined. They were posting pictures of themselves partying over the weekend on instagram and facebook. You know they were just making it too easy so i mean the exhibits in this case where you know they we had exhibits mile law in this case of people that were claiming one thing under the law and doing another. So does explain. Then why the descent. Why they were they were. This was personal. It seemed between these justices. Well it was personal and you and you know it was incredible that the one justice didn't The trump campaign away because you know when we first went to court on a board. What is what you can bypass all these other courts in something called the original jurisdiction you can go right to the supreme court and say this case is gonna be in front of you anyway. Just take it now. You have jurisdiction this justice. It didn't come our way that should have he said we got to comply with the statute verbatim. We gotta follow every word of this and therefore you have to start in the circuit court and we'll take a look at this later so of course we did that and when it got back to them of course you know any then he really just any basically hid behind this idea that you should have done it earlier. Ryan's previous pretty scary. Thank you sir. Unbelievable eight hundred nine. Four one sean toll-free number. You wanna be a part of the program. We'll get to your calls. Final half hour of the program is scott and twenty five till the top of the hour. Eight hundred nine. Four one sean. You want to be a part of the program right to our busy phones. Tom is in a great state of pennsylvania. Tom hi how are you have a little news. Out of pennsylvania. pennsylvania republicans are urging the supreme court. And we dealt with us this week and last week as we continue our focus on The actual rule of law the real constitution of states and of course the constitution united states but anyway republicans in pennsylvania again urged the supreme court. Take up that lawsuit. How are you sir. Okay hi sean how you doing. Listen i i read. I read the paper. I look at the internet. And all i hear is Trump lost in wisconsin His attempt that trump losing cases in pennsylvania. Trump's losing the people are losing and it got me thinking that he did all the research. All these people that signed affidavits and in in front of a courts and He has he has a lotta lotta proof and a lot of evidence and then texas tried to join all the states and bring it to the supreme court and the supreme court shut them down. I am not a lawyer. I don't fully understand how come but to the best of my understanding. Texas got shut down because they don't have the right to ask the supreme court. Why other states were breaking the law but me as a citizen of Ah pennsylvania don't have the right to to to ask the supreme court and we've had the group's lawyer. Greg tufo Twofold as i believe his name. And also had congressman. Kelly and sean parnell on and the people involved in that suit and they're trying again. How come you can bring. I don't fully understand this. You can bring a class action lawsuit against the pesticide company. That makes a dangerous product or a cigarette company. That is harming harming people. But how come we can't bring people together to Join and so it would be we. The people want the honest answer. You really want me to be blunt and honest. I'm probably not gonna like it. But i'm well i'm just i'm just telling you right now because you know we have. Three branches of government and the judiciary is is the check in the balanced supposedly against the executive and legislative branches. And what we see is a very. I think there are two things you can say about one. I'll quote right out of the wisconsin case and that that this is not the rule of law. It's the rule of judicial activism through inaction. I'll say it that way. I would argue that. The supreme court under john roberts oriented not people. I mean they're actually playing politics with the court and you're right in pointing out that we have disenfranchised not only the people of texas but the people in your state of pennsylvania as well and that the court i would argue as no courage or appetite to quote the supreme court. Chief justice in wisconsin. They don't have the courage to do it. But because the bottom line is they. They're looking at. What is the reaction outcome. Going to be if we follow the law and the constitution. That's you know there's a reason. I've spent so much time on focused on that aspect of it because i felt that was the winning hand the law the constitution. Apparently it's not. Because i don't really look at this as a for me a political thing. I i'm looking at this as the elect their political. You don't think these justices are looking. I am telling you right now. They want no part of this They don't want to do their job. And if it means not enforcing the law or you know look at the fourth justice that they would have needed in in wisconsin the reason that just as pundit well you should have brought the case earlier. That's that's not that's not an answer. That's a cop out. That's not the rule of law and and that's basically now. You're you're dead in the water. You're stuck in that. And i think the the supreme court chief justices right is that this is never going to end. It's going to be repeated again and again until they have the courage to correct correct system and and follow the law and follow the constitution same in pennsylvania. The same in georgia zaven the vonda. We should get together as which you get together as re not even republicans and democrats just as we should but we're not going to because they got the results they want but this is not like my answers. I don't like them either to be honest. I'm just being blunt. Yeah because i don't say this ending you know because if you if nobody more and more people are unhappy with the With not the turnout of the election or the outcome but how it was handled presidents will come and go but this is our country. this is the election. It's you know tom. You have no idea how many americans just speaking for right now. This is what the supreme court chief justice in wisconsin was saying when he said four members of this court. Throw the cloak over numerous problems that will be repeated again and again until the court has the courage to correct them. They didn't have at this time. I believe we live in the greatest country on earth. And i just. I don't wanna i don't wanna lose faith in a in the supreme court. I don't know why there's gotta be some leak legal minds that can put something together with with everything that we see going on around this. It's very disturbing. And i don't see i don't see an end to it and the only way that this country is going to go vote is one is if we all believe that. It's a fair fair election regardless of the winner. Me ask you a question. The honest question. Okay we've learned the last four years about the media mob in their hatred of all things donald trump and remember did. Donny deutsch saying we suck smelly walmart. Shoppers irredeemable deplorables. Do you really believe that. The media big tech companies. Do you believe the democrats and even even establishment republicans. Actually care about what it is. You're saying because. I don't believe i feel that. What what everything you just mentioned isn't a large portion of the democrats. I gently disagree. You had me up to this point now. You lost me you know. I think that if if when i don't wanna be like i don't wanna feel like the democrats felt four years ago. I don't want to be watching. Tv and looking at by issued for that. he's there's russia collusion. There's this i don't want to be making up stories. You know the next four years. And i just don't. I don't think this should happen to either party. Let me give you a simple example. Every state and i'm focused a lot on. This has statutory language that says partisan observers. Get to watch the vote counting from start to finish. That happened in any state. No now following your logic. Everybody should care about that right. Yeah okay do they. The the most important question do they care about that great. I bet you they would care. If trump won they'd care of trump won they go. You welcomed welcome to all welcome to our new world. And it's i'm just telling you that's you're you're walking through a process here and your eyes are opening and it's not pretty what you're saying is no. It's not but why. Since they been through been through what they feel an injustice was done to them in two thousand sixteen and i. I really wish they felt that way. I the only thing. I wish we could have opened up the election to show everybody. That trump did win fair and square. Then now i i don't. I'm trying to look at this as a a bigger right. Let me let me help you with thing. Okay new from the get-go did they. Not that trump. Russia collusion never occurred. They knew that they knew that. Hillary paid for a dirty russian. Does information dossier. They knew that very early. When they talk to the sub source of christopher steele dossier was never verifiable but they used it anyway and then that led to muller. They didn't. They pushed it even when they knew. It wasn't true. Didn't they yeah. They knew what ukraine that quid pro quo. Joe was on tape bragging about leveraging a billion dollars and we all knew that hunter had no experience that they care about that. I understand what you're saying. It it did. They let me let me keep going. Did they vet obama when he was running. Yeah did they vet. Joe biden this election right. I understand what you say did they. Did they look at the biden. Ties the foreign fam- the biden family foreign corruption syndicate. They knew about it. Did they do anything. They reporting how. I got a question that this has been bugging me. I mean such a decent person. I mean i hear nothing but goodness decency and you that. I don't even have your viewer far better person than i am. I can hear your heart. It's it's a an overwhelming majority of democrats. That are wrong. I just believe they wrong or do they know they're lying. That's that's what i'm saying. I think the ones that know that they're lying are hopefully not a small percentage that i'm hoping somehow could be corrected powerful and push their russia collusion narrative and ignored quid pro quo. Joe and hunter dad didn't vet biden. The media know what they were doing or not know what they're doing. I i understand yes yes How by the way this is like i. this is what i think. We're looking at here. And i think that this is a process that everybody's going through including myself. We're looking at something that we never thought would happen here. We're looking at all of this together that they would pick obama not vadym. They would that we're looking at the about far raw farnan appearance in elections in russia but not hillary's dossier they care about equal justice equal application of our laws but they didn't mind lying to a court to spy in a candidate in a president. They never vetted biden. They impeach the president while ignoring the real quid pro quo and the real money and ignoring the ties to china and ignoring russian oligarch ignoring the johnson grassley report and ignoring all. The stuff you know so what. You're what you're looking at. Is a what i'm calling institutional failure. And maybe i'm not doing a very good job communicating than times. I don't think i am in that institutional failures the media big tech the democratic party the week republican establishment and it's called the swamp and when somebody comes along iconoclastic shatters that illusion that they're good decent people that just have few political disagreements and you start draining it and you get to the bottom of the swamp. There's no more water but there's this tari disgusting black mud and these creatures now are being exposed. And the little disinfectant. Sunlight is on them and all of a sudden they're fighting back and donald trump or any beat him on the rush ally. The ukrainian impeachment hoax. My attitude is that whatever the ends justified the means for too many people here. You're trying to reason with people and say well the media most of them. Sure good people that really want fair elections. And i'm arguing. I think there's a lot of people. I'm not gonna get a figure on it. That have no problem with the ends justifies. The means because they think they are superior to those of us that dan donny joins us suck just suck or smelly walmart shoppers. Or irredeemable deplorables those moments. Where i think it reveals we. The people are looked at me wrong. I may be wrong. You tell me in my wrong. no. I'm i agree with everything and saying what what what group what people i can help this. I thought it would be the supreme court. And i thought that maybe it was just a a way of presentation is what the texas texas failed. You mean let me let me help you out a little bit whereas you're grasping for hope. Let me give you some. okay okay. the hope is this. And i'm coming to grips with this in my own way. And and. Because i've i've gone through a lot of what i hear you're going through. I don't wanna be depressed. No don't be data. Let let not your heart be troubled and we know how the big story ends. jesus wins. You know god wins. We know that in the end. There's an ebb and flow as somebody. That's been doing this thirty three years. There's an ebb and flow to these cycles. For whatever reason we stupidly allow ourselves to be convinced that socialism may work this time. And then there's always this something about the american people and spirit of the american people that the fight for liberty in the fight for freedom never ends and very quick very quickly. American people are going to see a very distinct difference. Assuming joe biden is inaugurated on january twentieth. And they're gonna see and it's going to be very quickly had missed me at and then some people are going to be like. Why did i get so upset. Over the tweeting. Why did i care. Things are so much better than the the media will tell you things a great never been better but they're going to end up missing donald trump more than anybody. They don't even realize how addicted to hating this man they become and then out of that. It's like the phoenix rising from the ashes. Out of that will come another wave of conservatism. That will once again have to fix the country and make america great again and i believe that's how this story ends. That's my belief. Okay listen i you've been very you're just you just embody all the goodness and greatness of the american people. I really do thank you for your call thank you. That's going to wrap things up today. An incredible hearing today on election. Irregularities senator ron johnson just beats down the left and the media and the mob also will update you on election. Irregularities kayleigh mcenany following the senate race will look at the polls with robert k. haley and matt. Towery and senator kelly laughlin pete hegseth ari fleischer. Larry leo nine eastern say. Dvr hannity tonight on fox. You won't get this news from the mob. We'll see you tonight back here tomorrow. Thanks for being with us. In a world of an ever changing economic landscape. How on earth can i get financial stability in my life. 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