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Episode 125: The Arizona Secular AA Conference

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Episode 125: The Arizona Secular AA Conference

"Visit Episode One hundred and twenty-five AA beyond belief The third by any Arizona secular a conference will be held on Saturday November ninth from nine thirty. Am to five five thirty PM at the twenty four. Th Street Conference Center in Phoenix in today's episode. I'll speak with Gary s from Phoenix. Area he'll tell us about the upcoming conference. It's all right. I'm here with Gary s from somewhere in Arizona. Where are you from Gary in Arizona Sun City West on Sensiti West? Okay Okay and you're here to give information about the upcoming secular. Aa Conference in Arizona. Would you give us a little a little bit of information. Mation about a first of all. Where is it and win as well? It's at nine thirty in the morning. Starting on November nine at the Twenty Fourth Street Conference Center in Phoenix Arizona. Is this the third conference that you've had yes. It is their biennial. So we alternate her name with the internationals. Okay would you like to give us a little history behind the conferences. I guess that you've been to all of them. I have indeed. Yes I I we had just moved to Arizona from the San Diego area just just prior to the twenty fifteen conference and so I was able to attend that one and actually it was one of our meeting conferences when we first arrived my wife tonight. Virtually all of the secular meetings were on the east side so when we live on the far west side so the first thing we did was initiated. A couple the meetings here on the west side and in that plugged into the community which is growing thankfully the twenty fifteen conference had four different panels and there was a speaker on on starting a waft meeting twenty seventeen we we did it again and our topic material was updating. We have a tendency to update for the upcoming internationals nationals. Because as I said we enter alternate with those and then we seventeen. We talked about the secular steps in how people work the steps in a secular environment. However Har- people sponsored and what is the role of connection in the recovery community in our guest speaker? That one was Joe Joseph Toronto our now. We're getting ready for this year's so we've kind of picked up a format format that we're using and that's that's kind of what we're doing. We have someone from the international or the upcoming international national and and a author from the secular community well with pat along with panels which in turn allow us to you know. They're kind of falling in place. It takes a little time to get a conference system setup but I think we're finally dialing Yeah you guys have done a really good job you know I imagine it is it is. It does take a lot of work to put one of these together and am glad to see that there are more of of these regional conferences happening. I mean the ones that I know of now are wanting the gateway conference that takes place in Washington state the Arizona's regional conference conference. And now the the Ontario Conference. We've got three. That I know of that are regional conferences. And it would it would be nice to see others. Come on I like the the regional conferences. Because they're more intimate and usually the locations are such that it's easier to you know interact with people and it's not like you're in in like one place all the time you're having a unique then you this time year. It looks really nice. I was looking at it online. You're using conference center in Phoenix next. Is that right correct. And in the past we've been using a public libraries which which are nice except there's there's a lot of peripheral horrific Noise and activity going on so this season I had the opportunity. We started a little earlier so I was able to actually walk fine. What is this Conference Center and charing the committee this year and it's have some experience in doing things like that original service structure of am? Ah so that's allowed me to kind of insert the fortunate things about that formatting that kind of formatting we've been able to bring online into into this so it seems to be working quite well. This House's center is relatively small. It's a big auditorium or anything like that. I I believe that room maxes out at about one. Hundred forty is but it's got kitchen facilities and things that not everything has had in the past. So that's that's helping. We know so. We just did something. Kansas City not too long ago we had JOE AC- come down for an anniversary celebration and we used a facility that Holds about a hundred people. Maybe and that was that worked out really well for us because we had we had less than one hundred people so there was plenty of room for for everybody every body so I you know you don't really need a huge place depending upon the size of the crab. What kind of crowd are you expecting this year? We've we've been getting just shy of a hundred in the past and so this year we've been shooting for one hundred twenty or so and you know that's always contingent registrations. Who hears about this? I think getting the word out is is one of the great challenges. Having come from the San Diego Area I was was able to plug into some of that community so I hope to see some of those folks and and our community here. Phoenix is growing but like most things things in the community. It's everything in a has a glacial pace things growth growth in a anything anything new in a in which there seems to be a tendency to resist new things so it takes time you know. It's pretty amazing Kerry. I'm just looking at the website of the the secular. Aa Groups in Arizona. And there's a lot of them a lot we like. Sap soon as soon as we hit town we started voted to on the west side. The free thinker meetings but they're very small and persevere and it's Sometimes during in summer particularly they're very small because the Phoenix area population changes dramatically in the season. Where I live this small community that I live has probably sixteen thousand people during the summer and more like thirty five thousand during the winter? We'll get that on off thing because a lot of a lot of Canadians. North people in snow country and has been there winter's here so so all of a sudden our our population goes and but during during the during the summer you know. There's we have a few meetings in Phoenix area that are actually quite large consistently and so it's it is indeed growing but like Azad during this for a few decades now and I've if watched other committees and sectors of the fellowship and whenever something new you know if you're if you're established after ten or fifteen fifteen years you make a good time so so it's a it's a real patients game but I do believe that the secular community dirtiest growing we are a microcosm of the macrocosm in terms of population. So if you look at the. US population what happens in the fellowship. visit reflection of that. That's right. We are reflection of the greater society. Aren't we absolutely if you look at this statistic as moving forward were there more and more secular people within the US just in general and consequently we will inevitably grow in the row so then it becomes a matter of finding each other and we are pretty well accepted now Within the greater community I think for the most part I know we certainly are Surrey. And I I bet you are in zone two but it's no big deal to have a AA meeting without the prayer in increasingly. It's it is indeed getting better. There's there are people who can't handle. The lack of formatting sometimes are the formatting that they are not accustomed to but but I know our intergroups for instance are supported when we want literature. Or we you know a day. They helped us with our insurance for the confidence and everything One of Arina groups and more and more we are accepted and you know when we had our even in Kansas City. It just happened like a few weeks ago. there were some people from just regular traditional. Aa Groups to that showed up. So it'd be Kinda Nice if you could draw some people from other groups to within the within the Phoenix area. That aren't necessarily thoroughly. Secular noticed. Actually one of our topics this year is dogma and ritual in secular a and another others tolerance within secular. Because we have they're all ages in general has has the tendency towards zealotry. Sometimes I was kinda around when when secular age just started in a and chew often we we we had people who were willing to bash the traditional community and and so that frightened people away. I think there's less and less you. You don't think a lot of people who were secular came in with perhaps bad attitude about the non secular communities. Ma Shaw took got the opportunity. They the shot. Yeah my theory behind that. Is You know they always say that. A new. Aa meeting is started from resentment. Started with a resentment at a coffee pot. And I and I think a lot of our secular meetings started out of resentment for a bad experience that someone had with another Aa meeting so they learned about a secular meeting and I and they started it and then the people that would come to it were people that were already already had an experience with Aa but maybe a negative one because they were atheists and they didn't feel welcomed they're at their home groups the former home groups so I think that in the beginning of these groups starting there was a lot of talk about what a was like for these people we we experienced that in Kansas City when we start our meeting way after about a year of meeting we had people from other. Aa Groups started coming to our meeting and they had to vent about their experience of of with these other groups But then what happened with us and I think this might be happening in other areas too is the people that had had that experience or pretty much done venting and the newer people that are coming in. We're finding people coming into our meetings that have never gone to a previously. They don't have an. They don't have a negative experience with a with a traditional group to complain about the only way they know is a secular a meeting they. I do believe that's very that's increasingly true. And because we get new people who are. I've never come to a because I heard about all all I heard was the God thing and all I could see was the God thing in. It's just not who I am. So they they see the word for instance free thinker or Nostitz Austin can and so they we are indeed their very first experience and so they don't have to go through that curve serve sober ninety and had people who would take their index finger pointed in my face and say get caught her die. I and my sponsor who was a guy and was very very tolerant. Mike belief system. I never once tried to prostate allies with me. He just Sake Zayd Gary. Some of us are sicker than others. And Debbie. Kinda shrug it off. Don't worry about these people any of room for you but I was very very very fortunate in that experience because had I gotten zealot Proselytizing Zealot I may. Well have just left. Let's go through. Let's go through the the The venue the new but rather Arnold the program what you've got going on. So the keynote speaker is Geoffrey Munn. Who's the author of staying sober without? God Yes Jeff. Jeffrey will be our keynote speaker. And then he'll he'll be speaking about his experience Orient as well as He's had the opportunity to interact with the community as well and we'll also great go from a Mile Washington. DC will be kind and talking to us about the upcoming next year's conference in DC and then in terms of the way we do as people check in in register and so we have a series of speakers and or panels. Finals kind of stagger. Those and we'll have panel discussions. This year's panels are dogma and ritual and secular A. Hey tell me about that do you know much about what that entails. Yes actually I. I believe what's going on there is that there's we're we're I think we're trying to resist become a dogmatic as some of the other meetings are traditional meetings. have become over the years where you have this reading this set patter and and so. I think we're trying to keep the doors open to new ideas because of the resistance to to dot and and sometimes it's it's like I'm. I'm grateful that I believe that. Nearly every meeting. The Phoenix area has has a different formatting on some level somewhere and with meeting journ which is what we do on the west side with the free thinker meetings. WE THANKS FOR COMING MEETING NEW JERSEY NEXT DOOR. Now turn your phone back on. And there are others others said that choose to end with the responsibility statement and and and the the the circling up process so many of us came into the fellowship and Si- nationally and not everybody's comfortable with that not everybody wants to hold hands. You know it's about about being open to that. My wife Rosa. You know we gotta traditional media just can't find a secular one and she will not join the circle at the end of those meetings. I will join in. I will remain silent in. That is just always been my way to show people people that you know. You don't really have to do this. She don't want it won't kick you out interesting how we can become easily Dogmatic and ritualistic Listrik It it can happen to any group. It doesn't have to be a it could be any organization that could could become that way. I sometimes think it would be great if we had you know more more secular literature that's conference approved but one problem with having a book that's approved is that people become dogmatic about that book. And so maybe he had a certain. It's maybe a certain respect. We're lucky that we can just pick and choose whatever book we might want to use it. We don't have to wait for the conference to give us a book and that night night reduce some of the dogma. Because I think a lot of the dogmatic comes from a in general is usually from the from from a love of our history. Maybe maybe you too much of a love for the history and the big buck becoming kind of strict about how we look at the big book. I think that's where a lot of the dogma comes from. I very much agree. You know the the Apotheosis Bill Wilson the put him on the pedestal and the first one hundred sixty four pages of the big bark. And you know that stuff's all is all nearly eight. Years is eighty years old and hopefully we've gone miss. You really follow his life he. He became increasingly open to change over time time because he saw I believe he saw that dogmatic devotion and wanted to resist. And so but I do believe Steve. You're right about well. If you have this book everybody's GonNa Follow the Book and whatever the book maybe and you can really get caught up in that. So we're trying find to address that in that panel and then and then we're having a panel on secular awareness raising secular awareness in a through. Service were Kerr Djing people to get involved more and more involved in service so so that people know that were there. I'll we'll go back to my first sponsor who actually was area delegate and he says well Gary in a you're GonNa find that ninety seven percent of the people take it credit the other three percent do the work getting a second group. There's less competition and that has been my experience. I spent twenty five years in general service and and getting people to sign up and do that aspect of recovery. It don't realize how much growth growth that offers so they are resistant to it. Because I think out of us were just resistant to commitment. I think it's great for people to to at least at least learn about it and go to an area assembly and get to meet these people who have dedicated their time to serving a a for twenty five years. I did not do that and I did not get. I never went to an area assembly and got involved with the any it with a service structure until we started our group Kansas City Five years ago now and so I've been attending area simply since that time and it's really transformed in my experience in a certain extent because It's really when I go to the assembly Or even my district if I go to meetings there that's really my only connection into the greater a outside of my group and when I'm like at an area simply for example we don't really talk about the spiritual Joel religious beliefs or anything. We're just talking about the work that we need to get done there. And I've met people who have gone to New York the delegates you young and we have a lot of the delegates still come back to our area simply to help us out and those people are really amazing. The amount of work that they put into Serving Okay A. and there's a lot of people that aren't even delegates. Do the same thing now. I'm one of those people that I go to the area assembly all the time I even chair committee but I can't say I do a whole lot of work I but I do like to be there for me. It's like it's like I said it's my connection to a outside of my own secular group and I d learn something I gain something from it but i. I do a lot of a lot of the real work that needs to be done. I'm afraid to say and I get that. But the fact is that you participate on on a level that allows that your time allows I mean. Many people spend two years in a typical copayment in general services. Two Years I I spent twenty five because I fell in love with that. They wouldn't let me I. I wouldn't let them kicked me out. I kept finding new jobs and served area level for a decade in. But what I think what we find out is there's a there's this whole nuts and bolts. We have that tradition as as a neat never be organized organized but anything that is international. Quite frankly needs to be organized. Yeah and we're pretty organized. Absolutely absolutely absolutely and there are nuts and bolts going. All the gears are turning in the background that we don't necessarily see a group level and that's where we're in that's where that service structured comes in and I believe that that teaches people patients it does and I think it's important for the secular groups to participate participate because it allows the other groups to get to know us when I when I started going to the assembly in western Missouri. I think that I was we were we. We're the first Secular AA group to ever attend an area Assembly Missouri. And when we when I first started going there we some people were suspicious. Support us in not quite sure where we are coming from. But now we're just old hat were just you know they were just part of the family. Now it's not it's it's nothing a Of A big deal and I think that if more secular groups did get involved with their area they would have the same experience we. It's basically learning that we have far for more in common than than not with with other members and so I think that's one of the real benefits from it and also if there's something that you want different in a hey the only way you're going to get that by letting your voice be heard at an area simply and through the General Services Conference the most beautiful thing about a in my opinion is the respect suspect that we have for the minority so that you can go and you can ask for something you can. You can state your case and you can ask for a vote and whatever and if you're the minority you get a chance to go back and be hurt again and and maybe changed some minds. And I've seen that happen so there's a lot of respect in a aaa for from the minority. More so than. I think anybody ever could have imagined if you if you weren't ever if you've never experienced that and being part of a minority orgy that's great because your voice you're going to be heard twice a more twice. Maybe one of our groups recently one of our secular groups I recently At the at the local assembly put in a motion to have a specific setting of I array to identify in meeting schedules. That we are indeed secular. Everybody politely listened and said we don't think so if that returns earns is not always ready to do the change that is proposed by but after after A. Here's it a number of times they go well. You know what this. We've talked about this enough times. Maybe it is. I was very. I was involved as an area person. During the era the that we were getting ready to do the fourth edition of the Big Book and we talked about it for seven or eight years before we actually made the decision to do it and and again. That's that glacial pace of change and it does that as a way of self defense. It make sure that we don't do rash thing and because if we do do rash things people die and because we're not You know we're not a social club. We're a lifesaver club. So it's it's a very. It's a very interesting mechanism that if you don't have patience it will teach you patients. uh-huh wanted or not who's going to be in that panel. Do you know how that's going to work the way we have. Panels is the person who suggests that particular panel typically ends up on it and then and then two other people from the community are sought out usually usually and this is consistent with all the panel choices people who are going to have some experience and also perhaps perhaps have a diverse experience such as age age within the fellowship years of doing service for instance service in this one branches of service that they participate in. What's your experience in general service what you're experiencing Route uh-huh uh-huh so that we get as much of a broad base knowledge as we can from the panel at are able to 'cause we open them up after after the panel speakers we open up for discussion and and this gives other people in the room the opportunity to participate as well. Well that's going to be a good one. Then the the next one on the list here is how to survive a conventional AA meeting. I happened to be the one of the people on that panel panel and it's because there are so many conventional meetings versus the meetings that are secular in nature. You can't always find a secular meeting. There's not necessarily one every night within reach if you need. You're going to meetings every day. And and so that means you're going to traditional leading and you're going to encounter people who our God centric and sometimes that can wear on us. I guess the the thing is to. How do you deal with that person who comes in? Put your finger in your face and says get got her die are are how do you deal with. The media. Nets just goes on and on on a topic that you can't identify with and so how do you get along with that instill not feel that you should reject day but maybe simply go to a different made. No that is important. Because they're you know a lot of areas There aren't a lot of secular. Maybe there aren't any sector. Aa meetings you know so an in a it's pretty much everywhere you know immature and and and and there is benefit from having a support system when you're stopping to drink so you're gonNA have people that are that are atheists agnostic free thinkers whatever attending these meetings where people want to conclude with the Lord's prayer. They WanNa talk about God and it would be helpful to For for someone to have a plan or some some way of coping with that because it can be difficult. It can be very difficult if you feel like you're not accepted you know. And because that's so important I think for us in our recovery is is to know that that were accepted in the in the community that we're trying to be part of leaks to be a safe place and and unfortunately the Er is what is the zealots have a tendency to be loud and that's true on both sides to you are the minority there the loudest the For both the atheist. Agnostics the zealot Sir loudest list and for the other furthermore religious people. It's zealots are the loudest absolutely end. And if you're fortunate you'll find for instance my first sponsor who said don't worry. Some of us are sicker than others. And and just say hey you know not all of us are trying to sell you this aspect of their belief system. We just want you to get sober and we want you to feel safe here in. And don't let them scare you away and but it nearly early I guess it was actually the first twenty years of my sobriety in some of which we were arguing for more secular recognition but I lost people Oh who came to me for sponsorship and simply said you know I just can't deal with this guy thing and they were gone and one of the things. I've used to try the emphasize when during the discussion of we need secular we need a secular base was the fact that when people leave because they can't tolerate a that that particular aspect. It's almost. It's like a death sentence because if we sent you away you go when you drink and you die and so very very important and and so. It's kind of like you. GotTa you gotta be able to have a little bit of the armor as it will when I first got involved in general services the the new delegate came to me and said we'll Gary Jeff Welcome to General Service Service and I was very and she said you know in general service you get the heart of a butterfly and the skin of a rhinoceros and the over my years. In general service I developed the skin I became the essence of renounce Rousey. But I have not sure about the butterfly. I bet but I'll tell you my skin by arms pretty thick and as I could tolerate off on staff but it because we are. We're very sensitive people and so it's it's it's important that we give people the ability to stay in that traditional meeting and and stay safe and feel okay and and not necessarily go back through his particular meeting because if you go around the corner there's another that'll be a good one to record and I hope that all of these are recorded but that one in particular will be good because it would help the person who is in Area where there aren't secular meetings and they in the only meetings they can attend our traditional ones so that panel would be helpful for those people I think I and A and we we are setting up to record and and and have it online so at because I do believe that that was a challenge like I say having lost cost to the other dog and you know one thing. That's that is helping combat that I think is having these podcasts. These websites the facebook groups on the online presence that we have So that people that are in areas where they don't have a secular secular meeting they they know that we're out there you know. And so they're emboldened. I think when when they go to traditional meeting because that's the only meeting they have in their town and if they have to sit through a reading of how it works they can more more likely tolerate it because they know they're not alone they know that there's a greater community out there of secular other people in alcoholics anonymous south. I could not agree more because if you stick it out and you stay what happens is is as you develop filters and so that when when you're in that meeting I'm a good. Orderly direction person is support. That stands for for me so if I if I just I've learned over the years to simply when when I started hearing the word people are talking about oil God. Does this guy that I said we'll good. Orderly Direction does this and good orderly direction. Does that answer agency to work very well. And that's just my tool but I but I believe we can all find filters that that allow us to Either Tony tune it out or or or you know. Put this word in in place because what it is that helps hopes dem stay as individuals. Yeah a lot of it is learning how to interpret in your own. Mind what you're hearing you know you're hearing them say something and what they're saying it's actually relatable if you just kinda put it in a different context. I have sponging many years. So I've had the opportunity to read quite a bit of geology allergy. Things just so that I can get what they're talking about and I have them do a second step I ask them to. I WanNa the page of just what it is. That's returning you to sanity. That has the power to do this. And because invariably that's where the God issue comes begins and start and so if I know that they are got people I it will. I won a page from you. Of what your. I don't want your dog. I don't want what your preacher tells you it is I won't you said is and over the years of the many many people people who are you know in the Christian community I have never once got to identical interpretations of what that really means and and I believe that's true in the secular community as well and so so if you could plug that in to that meeting that that is so very God centric that traditional God centric. Meeting comes much easier to sit through it. The last panel you've got here is tolerance within secular A. That's interesting that's that's where me that de that other kinds of zealot that seculars Elliott's I mean we we. We have people within the secular community who would like us to not even be a part of a and are willing to break entirely a. and so when somebody's uses even the word there is even the word spiritual they are resistant to that. And and that's that's okay for them to not be accepting in their own lives but it's if they if they often find it's okay to cross because they've heard then that's that's the kind of tolerance we're talking about is is is being able to love each other regardless yeah You know one thing that I've learned over the years of Participating in Secular secularly formatted a meetings and the greater Community internationally I guess is the huge diversity amongst us Just because one person is an atheist. theus doesn't mean that all atheists experience alcoholics anonymous the same as that atheist. I mean. We're all different. I mean there are atheists out out there who pray there are atheists you have a spiritual program. There are atheist. Who Won't have anything to do with spirituality are atheists who interpret the steps and there are those who think that interpreting? Thirty misteps are ridiculous. There's just a huge variety amongst us. Whether you're atheists agnostic free thinker. Whatever you are? There's a huge spectrum of how we experience experience our recovery. And that's that's true for us in our secular community and that's true with a as a whole and I think the problem is just because And you might one person might feel a certain way. They have a certain experience that they and they want to communicate that experience in their way. They I think that we have to allow other people to communicate that experience in their way. There's no rot right or wrong way to be a secular secular person alcoholics anonymous. There's many ways of experiencing when you say the words right and wrong. That is that right. There is the problem when we start identifying things as right and wrong versus useful or not useful for me as an individual And when we start labeling them as good and bad that is where the problem begins. And that's where intolerance has a tendency to rise and most of us have encountered that particularly in the secular secular community will run into it in a traditional reading and we have to be careful not to become that. Don't become the thing. That Eh that offense you. So learning how to allow people to have their own fingerprint. What helps me with tolerance is? I know that I've been in NASA for thirty one years now and my understanding of my experience in recovery in the way that I expressed that has changed any volved hold over the years. The what I believe and say and do now is different than what I was saying and doing a believing seven years ago. So it's like if I if I listened to somebody and they're coming from a point of view that I think that I just can't relate to or whatever am I I might not even agree with whatever it is who cares. That's what that this. This is where that person is today and I was. I was taught that you take what you want. Leave the rest but don't throw it out because five years from now you might be looking for it and and and it does work that way I if we don't if we don't grow any things that aren't moving are usually dead and and so my consciousness is not moving forward. Then where am I lost my own dog. And that's the great danger of intolerance. It's I think is it stifles growth in another person. Absolutely we can get caught in lockstep and we're the very we become the very anything that we are resistant to it is. It is really important. That's I think those are some great panels that you've got there you're also having lunch believe along the along with your her Registration comes all of these panels and speakers. And there's there's always literature available and I and it's literature. Some of it's a literature and Jeffrey spoke will be available. Then there's the the traditional we'll have the word caught coffee donuts per se in the morning and as the day goes on there will be beverages urges cold beverages along with as Coffee that still seems to be a main stay and An there'll be a lot as well so we added some hours this time because our this facility was able to allow us to to make it a little longer because we actually founded past ones that we had to cut off the discussion after the panels just in order to stay John Schedule. So this panel this this particular advantage from nine thirty until five thirty and that will allow us to have enough time after each panel for people to be heard and and to ask questions or bring their own insights because there will oh be they'll be they'll be at the might there there via the ability to get up to the Mike and and and have have your say so so that will allow us to have a greater exchange of ideas. Because that's what these are. All pout is is is here some ideas just because you're a panelist doesn't make you right. It just means that you're bringing your dear just bringing your experienced so the third the third biennial Arizona secular conference will be Saturday November the night off from nine thirty. AM to five thirty PM at the twenty four. Th Street Conference Center Eighteen. I'm forty one. North Twenty Fourth Street number ten Phoenix Arizona and you can still register at the website as e secular a dot Org registration us twenty five dollars online and you can do that up. Until what November four th yes at which point then After the fourth because we have to be able to plan how much food and things like that after the fourth You you still be able to come. And at the door for instance. The price goes up an extra five bucks. And that's that's the the need for. You need to know ahead of time. Carr's order food. Well if you come when you got up from the door we we have to have that cushion of food. But he gets the opportunity Turkey to eat for those who and there is a Po box that people can send checks and that's Po box. One six four three in surprise Arizona. Eight five three seven eight is it bar and in. That's for those who who are are not Internet connected but still want to attend a want to send a check or aren't comfortable doing pain online There's there's a bunch of ways to get to us and we WANNA make sure that s available to everyone and we hope everybody either. Here's this podcast comes in if you if you'RE GONNA go get to the website and register if you if you don't have time to do that registered I mean. That's okay to go to the store but his help. It's helpful to register advance absolutely book that flight today flying in and and if we need to look good on street and we'll get some more food for be glad to have that problem. That's the kind of problem. That's the kind problem we want will thank you gary very much for taking the time to let us know about this. Let's is there anything else that we didn't cover that you think we should mention before we finish what I can't say. Is that another two years down the road. There will be another of these. So if you're if this is too short notice for you make sure to stay connected to our the a a secular Arizona's secular A.. Dot Org so that you could see the next one that's GONNA come up in two years time and and have a little the greater planning period because we're all ready. You know at the end of this conference we will already be in the next chair in place and and you know the core of the committee will put in place that we can start the longer term aspects the planning a conference in. That'll still be going on in the background stuff doesn't we don't you. Don't start this week ahead of time. Well thanks again Gary Gary I appreciate the The you're you're taking the time to speak with us and let us know about this conference. Thank you very so very much for having the podcasts available eligible to us. I'm the substitute person today. Because the person you were scheduled for took a spill on a bicycle herder south and we're we're all hoping that she's feeling a little better today but she certainly wasn't up to on cast today you know I'm sure she'll be okay and and at the the conference. She is one of our very trusted servants and we look forward to recover. Well maybe we'll have her on after the conference and she can give us a post conference. Update Yeah Yeah. That's a great idea in this and that's another episode of eight beyond. I believe thank you so much for listening. Hey if you'd like to help out our site and podcast there's a couple of things you can do first of all over to I tunes and leave us a review. You hopefully a favorable one. You can also help out financially with either a recurring or one time. 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Intermittent Fasting  What a Physical Therapist Needs To Know

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Intermittent Fasting What a Physical Therapist Needs To Know

"Hey before we get started I, just wanted to say thanks to our longtime sponsors are es medical staffing, helping you physical therapists or physical therapist assistants find jobs all over this country with position. All settings in all fifty states find out what they have for you at a U.. R. US MEDICAL DOT, com? That is a U. R.. E. US medical dot com. Follow US online at PT Podcast and subscribe on I tunes spotify or Google podcasts. Yeah, it's it's awesome. Shovel. We're live. Here we are. What's going on I'm Jimmy. Cassidy podcast that saves physical therapists for missing out on amazing insight remarkable ideas motivational stories here in the world of physical therapy we are excited you're joining us easier watch a live stream or you're listening to the podcast or you're watching the replay on youtube or facebook or twitter periscope whatever. Welcome. Welcome. Welcome. Peachy podcast brought to you by our friends from Arias medical staffing. Rely. From the medical studios, a are US medical dot com leaders in Hashtag travel pty. Say we're live from the medical studios also my bedroom. Welcome to my room everybody. That's what we're doing this from everybody's at home. Subscribe to the podcast you don't Miss Anything in physical therapy. Do it free on itunes spotify Google podcast and as we mentioned in the video casting mom said I had the face for Radio Youtube facebook and twitter at pine cast on the socials. got a great show for you today dig into something which might come alive i. feel like is one of these concepts that comes up. And you want to be informed right. So you want to know how to respond and what you should tell people we're talking intermittent fasting. We'll be talking with our guest today but intermittent fasting get into the conversation though drop a comment below interact with us on social media maybe we'll be able to field your question. Live during the show without further Ado I do love me some ado our next guest physical therapists working in orthopedics. She kinesiology nutrition diabetics as an undergraduate student at the University of Rhode Island and received her dpt from Stony Brook. University let's welcome to the show Keira Lo Bianco. Moving when there's like a crowd in the background even when you know it's fake this is fake. Like. Hey, this is Kinda cool here. WHOA. Thank you. Thanks for having me. This is great. I didn't prep you for this. We're going to get into intermittent fasting, but I didn't prep you for this. I want to tell the story about how we like met. Do you remember this? It was at. What city we were, and it was a conference where were we Boston. Boston yeah. They think. Maybe honestly, they're all they're all a blur to me I just never it was a conference center. It's all I know. Or many I go to a few. So so what happened it's been a a a minute correct me if I'm wrong with this is how I remember it. I ordered like a million pint glasses to be shipped I'm talking these were the glasses these the glasses right here. Okay. Chip cases of I shipped him to the. Little. FEDEX KIOSK in the conference center and I went to pick them up. And the guy was like, well, first of all, he was like is going to be twelve hundred dollars to pick those up and I was like the glass is only cost like eight hundred dollars and he's like, yeah, there's a receiving fee and I was like I don't have twelve hundred dollars to give to receive the glasses I just paid so you can keep them if you want. Or I could leave this hundred dollar bill here and you can take a fifteen minute break. There's a hand truck in the back I'll be back in fifteen, but then I started panicking because I couldn't physically carry them all by myself a million miles across the conference center, and that's where I did I run the hallway like a literally just grabbed someone's like who who can help me I looked at year strong. I look really struggle. I forgot about that actually by all I remember is logging them in and out of elevator. Yes we were doing Hawass we carried them across the Conference Center and the reason I needed to do it quickly because that guy was gonna come back and I was like my love, he'll ask for another one hundred bucks and I didn't have it. So I was like, let's go. So that teaches you anything from today's podcast. So far is a hundred bucks can save twelve hundred bucks if you're. A long way. Well Hey. Thanks for jumping on the show since twenty seventeen you were a student still there right at Stony Brook yet. Yep. I graduated in eighteen so you're later Congratulations you've got that going for you and are you still on the Long Island? Where are you I? Am I I'm actually I just got put out east in Southampton. So that's been my my home base for why We likes the Hamptons Hi Al Maybe, one day I'll get out to the HAMPTONS. Yeah. Don't don't threaten me with a good time. So the reason I bring you on today as we found in your intro, you did a little background, your undergraduate work in nutrition dietetic talk about that briefly. What drew that way. What did you learn? Yes. So when I was an Undergrad I, I knew right off the bat I wanted to go to PT school part of most kinesiology programs has been taking either one or two, maybe three nutrition courses and I took my first one and fell in love with it and I felt so torn up on my gosh do I continue with PT, which has been my dream to be or joy mixing up and pursue nutrition. So I actually just couldn't design and I picked both. I mean we had. We had an interview on when we're at CSM with Sarabeth Burke and she talks PhD and hybridity, and she's talking more and more mixing of things is actually more valuable versus where my parents generation was be really super good at just one thing and engage into that thing and stayed there for twenty years and now that's not the case. Yeah absolutely I mean I I always found an Undergrad and even still now like you really can't talk about exercise without talking about diet vice versa, they're so interrelated that I, think it's important to have a well rounded view towards it plus. Everyone's getting. So specialized that it's being, it's harder to collaborate. It's harder to mix everybody together because hearing. So many different viewpoints bottle so. Important to know a little bit about both. And that's why I got excited to talk to you about this this particular topic, intermittent fasting today because it's come up a lot people ask me and I. My my my standard response is I. Don't know if I'm educated enough to speak to you in depth on that like I literally have that verbatim because when I don't want to say is I don't know. because. That's the kind of like but I don't but I want to say educated enough now if you're asking me to get more educated, I can do that for you. But since you had, you have this this this this nutrition background this is this love for I was like Hey care is gonna come on the show. Let's talk about intermittent fasting I'm sure it's come up with in clinic for some people out there in the audience right now. So let's dig in. Let's go big small macro micro what the heck is intermittent fasting. So I actually, before you asked me but I really it was kind of on my to do list research because I do get a lot of questions about it in clinic. So I really wasn't too sure what the pros and cons of it were what the benefits were. So I've done good research at this point and it's actually pretty simple in terms of like the basic terminology of it. So people are using the word intermittent fasting in place of something called restricted eating. So people are this is usually Looked at in a ratio. So time spent eating. Then time spent fasting but intermittent fasting, really an umbrella term in the literature for a bunch of different types of fasting you do prolonged fasting, which has shown its own benefits that's typically fast in greater than forty eight hours. But this time restricted eating component is really Ah Tool that you can use to match your circadian rhythm. So. Basically, what that means is eating in a time when your metabolism is at its peak and not eating when you're. At a slower rate. So timing those things out. So a couple of different types of in terms of intermittent staff, your prolonged. prolonged. What was it again? What was the term fasting prolonged fasting? So. Yeah. So I mean I know some people who had the concept of they can eat anything they want for eight hours but it was only this eight hour period anything else it was like they were from the movie gremlins like you do not feed the person outside the eight hours or you don't you don't want to know what's going to happen and they treated like that and. These people will swear by results and when you were looking into, you know intermittent fasting as buzzword term you know, what were you finding in terms of what works for whom does one thing work for everybody or you need to try different things out as you mentioned with rhythms? Well. So that's actually funny that you say that because this is basically the the main reason I decided to start my blog is I feel like especially in the medical field, you really can't have black and white like if I say to every single patient, Hey, you should stop using start intermittent passing. They're gonNA look at me like well why they started, and then they decide hey, this doesn't really fit my schedule. This isn't easy for me. It takes a lot of planning makes me feel like garbage whatever their complaint is like I can't say that it's going to be good for everybody. But. I. Think the body truly needs. Like a routine schedule, your body. If you. Eat whenever you feel like it or whenever it's around or whatever your body kind of goes into this region preserving everything. So if it's not sure when it's going to get its next meal, hold onto ebbing. Whereas if you know that if your body knows that you eat at nine twelve and five o'clock in the afternoon, then your body Kinda dumps what it doesn't need an hold on is up at actually needs and you kind of get rid of waste that way. So the best thing is kind of a nice tool for people to use so that they had that schedule, they had that routine available to them. All right. So now we're getting terms I want to start macro to micro before forget though I forgot to ask the I always like to get the hardest question of the early I forgot to ask you what are you drinking? Rosaiah all day. I'm probably GONNA, take some heat for this. I have been having IPA's on the show and I'm trying to knock back a couple of I'm just doing a white cloth with ice cubes. Okay. But. I wish we were told me. Out to blackberries my flavor. So cheers, and now that we know the the the big terminology, the idea behind intermittent fasting, which is we least be knowledgeable up because patients either doing it or asking us about it and clinic. Absolutely. So, let's go into more specifics. You alluded to it a second ago intermittent fasting pros and cons what are they? So. Right. Now, the research that I've done has has shown is actually like good amount of pros I am very much like a Nada Diet Person I don't typically record things like that just because I, always find that they're very temporary and a diet shouldn't be that way. So always skeptical, but the research is showing some pretty good benefits so. There's this protein called IGF one and it's job in your body is to build in regrow. So for all our exercise people out there, that's obviously very important to build strength right? So. They've been finding that during the fasting period that protein in the body has been elevated so that Your body's Kinda using whatever's leftover to rebuild. which they'd been showing has. Had Good Effects Towards a breast cancer and longevity especially for growth for neurons in muscles which for us is huge like that's great to be able to use. So. That's one of them. The other obviously people talk about the most is weight loss. So I. Biggest part of this has been fact that you're not eating at midnight. When, your body's at. No good notes you know. but I mean it's crazy when you're schedules are so wacky I mean I work in outpatient you could be at work till eight nine o'clock Mike commutes an hour. So I don't get home till nine o'clock sometimes ten o'clock might eat. Then I'm starving I worked for ten hours. You know so I I get it's tough and it's Something that requires a lot of planning. So I think be more towards a con. The intermittent fasting can be kind of problematic in that you have to have a schedule and you have to be consistent with it if you're working outpatient or even impatient, your schedule can vary from day to day. So it's hard to kind of get that like. Permanent. Short. Yeah. It in terms of pros and cons I think that definitely is the thing that brings looking for his terms of like. Well, this could jump start my weight loss in in your research that it did it did it say anything about in terms of well I mean I feel like I feel like this term creeps up in pt and everything now, right? It's coming up it depends where two two people. With different genetics to dig same plan. If you watch this on like nutrition twitter, you watch people rage on carnivore diet or plant diet or intermittent fasting, and literally these people just raging at each other and what I've done. I've done minimal research into a book that was good for me was David Epstein 's range and what he was he's like, honestly, genetics plays a really huge part like we know that. And then we say do this. It'll definitely work in every situation. How can you say that with a straight face you know that genetics is a giant component of how exercise and food and sleep affects each us. Absolutely one hundred percent agree and there's a lot of research to going into the gut genome by ohm not genome. so That is. An actual phone? Yeah we're landline phone history. Oh my gosh. Do you want to show the audience 'cause? I don't think half of them know what it looks like. People, that's a phone. It's attached to the wall. and. Had to stand near it. There's A, there's a court and everything. I mean, this is off topic because that's me You know the younger people in the honest. They have no reason have no concept of why we call it hanging up on someone because he used the phone used to be on the wall hanging up. Oh Yeah. It's very difficult to emphatically hang up on someone by just pushing an iphone but all right well now I, don't know. Someone important you. WanNa. Take that call in the middle of the shot on a your your call I picked it up and hung it up. All right. That's also what you can do when you have a regular phone. Up We'll skip the phone education but yet genetics. As the most I've researches it depends and that's what we find impeach old frustrating. It was as it wasn't as a student but a lot of the things are going to depend and you alluded to it a second ago, which is if I told everybody to do this, they'd want to know more. But also if you told one hundred people to do this, even if they all definitely adhered to, it could get one hundred probably get one hundred results. and. I mean in terms of intermittent fasting it's very depending on what you're eating to. You already talked about people who say, Oh, I can eat whatever I want in this eight hour period if you eat nothing but chocolate cake the entire time like you're gonNA. Be a bad shape you're not going to be feeling. And I think in this busy fast paced lifestyle that we've all been living which kind of Kobe's has been a blessing for his slow everything down a little bit. But people. Are Not really aware of how their bodies feeling until it's too. Though? I mean if you're eating if you have an eight hour period in your eating potato chips in whatever you can find eight are period especially during a busy workday or travelling or whatever it is, you're not going to be feeling your best even if you're doing intermittent fasting. So you kind of have to find that balance of okay. I need to plan out bite meals and I'm not going to be eating for eight hours straight. Fills a couple of questions come into play, who in terms of genetics what are you eating and then yes. If you're talking about timing several different types of intermittent fasting, that's the went. So it really is the those three who wasn't win come into play. Pre importantly when you're talking about intermittent fasting. Yeah. The independence is so huge I mean we see that day in and day out you can't take somebody with that. He's a cap slightest intrigued in the same way across floor. Plans on what sitting in front of you. So frustrating. Though Impeach scored center what the answer it's like I. Just thought it was my professors in school then I realized Oh my gosh, that's a thing. I feel like I should start pens dot com just because everybody's eventually going to go there. You know what? Jumper or someone steals pets car. Let's get. into the show. So. How do you applying this information clinic? You know you you bring in nutrition indicted work and information with your patients patients in clinic. How else can people bring sent? So usually. A lot of what I talk about with patients has to do behavior change. So I kind of have to meet the where they are just like everybody else's. So somebody's coming to me and saying, Hey, I've between the intermittent fasting. What do you think about that? You agree disagree on like we'll how do you feel first off? I I don't really love to talk about weight loss in weight gain while unless it's like extreme amounts but I don't like I don't like your gold to solely be weight loss because that really I mean, all the research is showing that BMI is relatively irrelevant. So. You really want like, how are you feeling? Do you feel like crap when you will need for eight hours like do you need to eat right when you wake up in the morning and you have to make it work for work it all it depends on who sitting So When people haven't started it yet, I usually say to try it on a day that you don't have anything else going on. So. On a Saturday afternoon. Okay Sunday try this and been a wake up do whatever I have to do in the morning. I'm going to start eating at ten o'clock and then dinner's going to be at five and then I'm done for the day and see what happens. Monday feels you know and try it that way the research is also showing that the prolonged fasting. So that's greater than forty eight hours has shown some pretty powerful benefits too. So I mean, you're not going to do that on a weekly basis. That's something that. How often? How often are people trying that going without eating for forty eight hours is that is that a once a week or you? You go without any for forty eight eating and tried again set up been It depends. Well I don't know anybody personally who's done it. But The podcast I was listening to that we could talk about There was a researcher. His name is Vaulter Longo. He's been studying it, and it's he said that you could do a once a year once a month it's not something that you do weekly. But. That's something that you can play around with also. So it's basically just trial and error in you figuring out what works for you it takes a lot of planning. So it's something just like, okay this is what I'm GonNa do tomorrow you have to kind of make a plan for doing that. Yeah Yeah, I feel like a lot of this is going to be trial and error. A lot of people are looking for a quick fix and exercise or nutrition calling it a diet looking for that quick fix what's the fastest path and the more we learn the more we learn from you know the experts are out there saying the real experts who actually understand this stuff are. Saying there is no quick fix and Everything is going to depend on you and how you react to these things and planning your genetics. What else you doing besides just eating your are you active or you inactive? You know when you eating so all these things are fortunately if you're here for a quick fix, it's GonNa be. It depends unfortunately, there's never a quick fix. Quick question from the Audience Rachel wants to know typical fasting schedule for someone trying for the first time I know it's going to depend. But if someone were to, as you just alluded to, if you're going to say, Hey, you know what try them to Sunday when you when you can control most of the things that you're going to do? What would you suggest? I mean from what I read in the literature. Typical. Time restricted eating time would be an eight hour period of. Overeating got it and then sixteen hours off which sounds like a lot but really half of the sixteen hour period you're sleeping. and. Before you're going to bed it's not like you're doing anything too strenuous. Just Kinda like that warning period where you're someone might be grumbling but once you kinda get onto a schedule, I think that it's relatively easy to maintain. Of course. Yes. Yes. A lot of different things that come into play I went on a hiking trip in the middle of school went when hiking in north of Seattle and up in Alaska for a couple of weeks and I was really nervous because we were essentially carrying. The jet boil will propane little fuel and you boil a little the Cup of water and you mix in your like Maris and I was kinda nervous. I'm like word that's what we're eating. Stuff. A couple of power bars are just to make sure because there's no food out there on the mound and I'll be honest. You're a couple of weeks. My body was just pretty used to it like that, and that's that's me knowing myself I mean looking at the tiny little bowl that I would eat a food we were done. That was all we could eat because we were on the carrying a certain amount for a for a trip. So we realized that we we needed to make sure what we're eating was planned. We knew how much activity we're going to be doing but the variable was our genetics in our body and you know I lucked out in terms of after a while just kinda got used to eating. You know a couple thousand calories a day and hiking all day but I also got great sleep outwards. Yeah you're probably exhausted. No? Yeah, right. Out. Did anybody in your group not like the restricted eating it was a small group. No I was the most inexperienced. Hikers the group by far, and that's why I was. Kinda, like can sneak a couple of Hojo's in here like you know, where am I going to put these things? So so no, but it probably took two or three days before I was actually like this I'm fine but it was probably like the second or third morning waking up where I was. Like man I could just go for some. You know just a big old omelette instant toast. Let me get some of that but probably worth day my body was just like okay this is all we're getting. We'd better deal with it and I adjusted. So everything you're saying I agree with yeah. Yeah. That's Super Interesting Jews anyway weight whilst Hanoi it really yes. I stayed I. Stayed Very hydrated because we were I mean that was like a big thing but I wouldn't. Men there. It wasn't a ton of way I probably would say between five and ten pounds, and this is over three weeks. Okay. That's actually like a pretty decent amount of weight loss, right but as soon as I. Put. I put four pounds back on like in the first week of of getting home because I hit every every a restaurant in northern northern Virginia as soon as I got back. So what's cool how you reply in that in clinic any good resources use you you could suggest for people to to read more for themselves always wanted people to educate themselves beyond what our guests are telling to. So where'd you go? So I've actually found some pretty good podcasts have been weirdly obsessed with this podcast called the school, of greatness. How and he interviewed This path. Rhonda Patrick. And she is like the nutrition guru of Gurus like she is probably one of the most brilliant people I've ever listened to I'm. Sorry. and. She just she so up on all the research she. Gives you the big picture like everything you need to know but then is able to kind of tone it back so that if you're not With all the chemicals or chain reactions. Kind of brings it down just Average person's level which is awesome because I haven't been in school for three five years now in. Off Up she is phenomenal and she actually works very closely with Volta, Longo, who studies the intermittent fasting and things of that nature. So she was an awesome resource. Cool. Cool. WanNa talk to you about something else will bring it on screen. What's that? What is this? That's founding bicycle my blog. All right. So so you started a blog I always liked it when somebody asks what they say I started a podcast or a youtube channel or blog I was just go hey, what was your inspiration? Why did you decide to create? So I actually have been wanting to do this since I was an undergraduate because I have been so passionate about combining exercise nutrition. And I am obsessed with A Albert Einstein quote is like riding a bike in order to maintain your balance, you must keep moving. So I feel like that's so important. I say all day long clinic to keep going keep progressing. That's what life's about you have to make it better for the next day. Oh. I've been kind of trying to inspire people to make good changes to keep their bodies moving forward and grout. When? SOMEONE GOES TO BALANCING BICYCLE DOT COM. What are they going to find? What are you talk about this blog because it's your thoughts? Out in the ether on the Internet. Yeah. So it's bit so far. It's been kind of a combination of exercise advice nutrition advice but it's pretty much full-body collaborative type thoughts that are on share people I'm. Pretty interested in behavior change in actually getting people to make that actual change I don't know how many times I've given. ATP Out and nobody does it and I asked him how you're excited at home I, didn't do them or I did them and I look at them like actually I didn't do them and you know it's I mean I love hanging out with my patients but to see them three times a week for their entire lives is obviously not feasible. I want you to be able to make a change in your life without me. So. I think on my blog, I hope that people will get that vibe in find tools that they can use to make their own lives better without me babysitting madman. Checking up on them. Yeah. Yeah. When I was when I was a younger clinician are still in school I remember thinking man, there's no one's listening to me what you WanNa do is you want to blame the audience, but I went back to my broadcasting days, which is if the audience likes something, they're being honest that you can't blame the audience you have to blame yourself as the center of the creator of the information whether that's h. e. p. whether that's a you know it's a diet routine or something to get into in terms of fasting So I think going back to what your method of your your favorite quote is. Einstein is George Bernard Shaw, which is. The greatest failure in communication is to think it actually occurred. So I told care something so and she didn't do it which means that she didn't do it. She fail. But what if I would if I didn't say right way or if I said it in a moment, you weren't listening. So I think behavior change puts it back on us as clinicians as as a profession physical therapists, physical therapists. Assistance anybody in the healthcare field and saying, we need to own this. If they're not doing it we changed our ways. Our job is to continually find different ways to help usher in behavior change not just tell but usher them through. The good thing about our products is that we're trying to work ourselves out of a job as you mentioned, three to five three times a week is not. It's just not good. You want you initiate behavior change absolutely. Yeah. I mean. That's exactly right. I take it. So personally when they don't do my agp like what did I do wrong? You don't WanNa do it. Let's talk through it and find that obstacle that is preventing you from doing it and let's chain. I don't want to give you something that you're not gonNA use. That's not going to help you like let's make better you and. Let's keep pedalling like a bicycle. The best exercise you can give someone to do is the one they're going to do care. Are you ready for three questions? Yes sir. Remember. Three questions brought to you by from medical staffing. Find Them Online. At AU are US medical dot com. It's a you are US medical dot com. If you're looking for a position, all different settings, inpatient outpatient specialty settings. Women's health. You can go all the way from Alaska or Hawaii all the way the tip of the Hamptons they need physical therapists out there right Cara. Out on out, she says. Especially this time. A lot of people graduating passing the. Earliest today he was a lot of people on there. Yeah. There was a bunch people south taken it today it can. Kovin. But listen if you're looking for a place that do to thing, you've been studying your whole life. You are US medical dot com. All right three questions. First Question of course is aware question care. Anywhere in the US states, you can go for three months and be a bring your bike with you go. I'm going. Alaska. Jimmy. Bring your food. Great Yeah. Absolutely. Intermittent fasting their core part is they do people just assume Alaska Hawaii or like just crazy cool places. Abbas probably know positions there a Lotta Times shorthanded short term assignments could also turn into a long-term assigned. So Alaska not too Shabby Watch out forbears. Second question is a what question we alluded to the. I. Think your answer before what's something you've watched read Listen to podcasts. Audience Benefit from. So I already talked about the school of greatness podcast but doctor. Rhonda Patrick has her own podcast and it is absolutely phenomenal. She is such a great resource and not not even just intermittent fasting but just everything nutrition around she has some sort of insight on and will at least point you in the right direction by research. So she's helpful. last question as we begin with WHO. Who is some in the audience should know more about very open ended I love asking open questions. I mean I guess Rhonda Patrick. Can I say that again? You're the guest you can do whatever you want. You can really hammered on her you're really fan girl growing her. I like it. Yeah. If I she listens to this album. So pumped shutout under. Like quiet there for cycling if she listens to this, I'll be so excited. Aren't. Let's do I lasting. Would you on the show we call it the parting shots. Parting. Shot no pressure here Keira it's your mic drop moment to leave with the audience. So in doing the research for intermittent fasting what would you wanNA leave with the audience for the parting shop? To find balance it's going to be about you and you have to trial and error and practice and listen to your body find your balance. I like. 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Ep 08 What does your perfect day look like?

the 7-Figure Salon Podcast

10:45 min | 1 year ago

Ep 08 What does your perfect day look like?

"Welcome to the seven figure Salon podcast. I'm your host Helena Gibson founder of straight hair solutions and creator of the seven figure salon training systems. If this is your first time listening I'm glad we're here as each week I go over one of the seven pillars of the seven figure roadmap and discuss that pillar in depth and how it relates to business and having a strategy in each pillar in my experience will ensure ensure a successful business and life which leads me into this week's topic pillar number seven lifestyle. This is the reason we do the other six pillars right our lifestyle that's so important and the thing with lifestyle is society is constantly trying to put their mark on us or social media and what I mean by that and what I've struggled with is Society Society tells us about the American dream you have to have two point five kids get married like twenty eight and have a white picket fence which I feel like a lot of that is breaking down now but that I myself I didn't do any of that. I didn't get married. I didn't have two point five kids and I live in a high rise in downtown San Diego so I didn't do white picket fence either so oh actually how that are kind of relates to today's lifestyle episode is Kayla are Salon Manager From our Solana Beach Location. She's out of town this week so I thought how poignant would it be to come to you guys with this podcast at the Conference Center in my building downtown so I'm not even at the podcast d._d._R.. Today so if it sounds a little different or if somebody comes in this is kind of what's going on on about lifestyle so I've mentioned before that I used to own in auto repair shop and why bring that up again is because it has it relates to lifestyle that that business was from MHM seven in the morning to seven at night and those hours were pretty crazy right clients had to pick their cars up for they went to work the Nancy. Come pick them up when they got off work and at the time my daughter was really young. And so that just didn't work for my lifestyle and what got me thinking about that in out of that business because it was a great business right. Everybody has a car so it was basically recession proof. I think actually after I got out of that business I found out my friends that were in auto repair actually boomed in it during the recession because people kept their cars longer. They weren't buying new cars but <hes> for me it just wasn't GonNa work and that was because says with that business I had to build my life around it so my lifestyle went around my business where in my experience and as I've gotten older what we what I encourage everyone to do. That's telling me they're gonNA start. A business or about their business is build your your life. Build your business around your life and that's what I did when I came around the second time and how I learned that as well was I my mom was in multilevel marketing. I'm from my whole life. I mean when I was eight. I was vacuuming the Avon Center no less she sold Tupperware <hes> what was it pampered chef beauty control you name it. She sold it but the beautiful thing about the multilevel marketing getting industry is they're very huge self development. I think that's because they get a lottery rejection in that industry so they have to have a really thick skin and know how to deal with people and how to get around objection cycling so one of the guys while she took me to <hes>. Let me go back to the Guy <hes> she took me when I was eighteen to my first <hes> conference if you will on thought leadership I think it had Colin Powell there. There was Bill Clinton Zig Ziglar an-and one of my favorites Jim Rohn he had spoken about people spend more time planning a vacation or their grocery list than they do their lives and that was just really huge for me and I never forgot that so I know this is a business podcast and so forth but I assure you that in creating your lifestyle that really needs needs to reflect how you create and run your business <hes> and again if everybody it's it's different successes different for everyone in lifestyle is different so the other thing that's really important with for this for me right now is that this is July so we're halfway through the year so I want you to think about what plans you set what resolutions you said in January because we're at that happy halfway mark and for me. It's very well. I love July because it's my birthday month so it's a very strong month for me in resetting because I'm looking at where I am for the year so I go back and look at my goals that I said and I call them goals. I don't like resolutions resolutions because most people I'm sure you know after two weeks they've already stopped that but for me their goals and then I look and reset where I'm at and this year in particular. I'm turning forty two and I what happened to be <unk>. I will be in Switzerland with my daughter when my birthday happens this year and so I have some questions that I'm really going to go deep on and I'd like you to do that with me. So one of those this is my <hes>. Let's see one of those is am I wear I thought I'd be right. I said I'm turning forty two while I'm GONNA be on this trip and have I built in N.. Dan what I thought I do by forty two and whatever I come up with after remind myself that's okay. What do I want more of in my life? And how am I going to get there. You know building the seven figure Salon Building this coaching in training were do. I see that in the next six months for the rest of the year. What do I WANNA do in two thousand twenty so these are some things I'm going to be asking myself and if you haven't done so already I want you to start thinking talking about it and I want you to dream big? I want you to just kind of right down a bunch of stuff. You know what is it that means a lot to you that maybe you haven't done yet and I don't care if you're twenty five or seventy five. There's all things as we <hes>. There's there's things all of still want to do and then my last thing for you is what does your perfect day. Look like that's huge because I don't think we plan. Sometimes we do those resolutions in our big right there sixty day goals ninety day goals but what do you want your data look like are you at the studio at eight in the morning. Are you there at ten in the morning for me these days with Leyla my daughter being home from college right now. I don't roll Intel eleven so I do my morning stuff. You know I work out. I Read I journal. I have a bunch of things I like to do before I get in the shop that prime my day and I think we talked about that before. <hes> priming your day so it sets me up for success and I do that in the morning and then I prefer to stay later in the evenings <hes> so what what what time do you want to get in. And what time do you WanNa be off you you know. Do you still have young kids so you need to be off at three or four to make dinner. Hey I've been there. That's the hours I set the store for were opened from ten to five that was because at that time I needed to be room parent and I couldn't get into tin and then I needed to be off at five so I could make dinner for her in the evenings but now my life is different so the other question is do you reset as things in your life change right so when <unk> so when my daughter was little I had a different set of priorities now that she's bigger you know now that she's an adult. My priorities have changed so do you reset with life events so I want you to right these down. You have to commit them to paper because just the practice of writing it down improve your chances of creating whatever whatever that is for you and again own it because you've got to check in with yourself about your family for me. It's my mom you know that one. I'm what I'm creating in doing is what I want and not what someone else once again especially with social media. You see a lot of things on there. I think people are depressed more now but just because you're seeing someone else excited about something again. Is that really something that's right for you and this all relates again to business because our our lifestyle is the reason we created our business in the first place or in my opinion should be why we created it right. We wanted freedom. We wanted more money and we wanted the the scholas- sealing the that we could break it that there was no limit to the potential of what we could do by owning our own business so shoot me an email with what you come up with because I'd love to hear your plans and also if you WANNA go deeper with us with this the other pillars we offer mastermind coaching program to help you. We also have quarterly seven-figure salon intensive so July's almost filled but our next one is in September and I believe it's the twenty first to the twenty third here in San Diego so we'd love to have yet and if you want to visit our website and find out more about that the websites the seven which is the number seven figure.

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MWA287 - Shop Banter

Modern Woodworkers Association

2:08:37 hr | 9 months ago

MWA287 - Shop Banter

"Welcome to the modern woodworkers association. A podcast about woodworking from folk. Who would work? Woodworking is what we do who we are and what we talk about so join us as we have a drink. Sit around and talk woodworking. Hi and welcome to the two hundred eighty seventh episode of the Modern Woodworkers Association podcast on Call Barton of cable and tools. I'm here with my co host. Yami plucky of the penultimate woodshop and Shawn's was WIS news key. Easy for me to say Snooze Goerner was newsworthy. The quarter workshop and tonight we're talking amongst ourselves so royal doing great. How're you fantastic? Little Bad news out there. Yeah and Yeah. Yeah so you know come right in with a man just lead panel. I know well in case someone listens to this years from now we can just skip toward this bart. But I promise you on March Thirteenth Two thousand twenty. This is very relevant. Yes we record. This is incredibly relevant so Talking about the Krono Virus coup-bid Nineteen or end cove. I've seen it designated as well. You out in Ohio. You just have your own way of doing things. No no no that was from some other source anyway. Well Anyway. Well let's talk about that so Bunch of Woodworking of Ben's have been canceled. I know the Woodworking shows or cancelled Lee Nilsson's canceling their events but Probably close to home for US. As fine woodworking live Got Cancelled which due to be April seventeenth through nineteenth. So it was like So you know so I had to go winning and You know cancel I think the hotel rooms were automatically canceled by won and hadn't called them and made sure. I was very impressed by that because as we're recording this on Friday night odd time for us to record this morning As I was getting up for work at the ungodly hour of about four thirty I check my email as I usually do. Let the dogs out and that was the email I got an overnight was them canceling fine woodworking alive and by the time I next checked my email at work my personal email which was probably somewhere between eight nine o'clock in the morning I'd already gotten the email from the hotel saying that it was canceled So how'd you prepared to call them? But I thought that was just very well coordinated between the hotel and the conference how. It'd probably helps that though. Tell is the Conference Center. So they know that speak cancelled But if you're gonNA cantilever I thought that was a very nice way to do it. So that the attendees don't get stuck having to go and deal with their own hotel room or maybe the inability to cancel their forgets. Cancel it or all those things to happen. If they're independent things right right. Yeah I was just belt and suspenders on that. But since they did state it would automatically be canceled. But yeah and also today. I got an email saying that. My My funds or being a refunded back to me so so that might take two or three days but you know in their email. I said I might be you know three or four weeks and it was just the next day. I got a email and it should be in your accountant. A couple of days then is very good and this is this is You know in response to obviously the the pandemic who currently dealing with God God willing by the time anybody. Here's this that it gets just getting better every day. And it's soon too soon to be history wasn't gonNA post in ten hours. I know I know and I'm like somebody might catch next week. And they go. Man is so much better. That's absolutely true. All of you in the future. I hope you're healthy. Everyone in the future I everyone's doing well But no I I don't know on a state by state basis. I know you know. The president has made statements In my state of Ohio they've limited anything to groups of one hundred being the cough limit of any events Down to highschool spring sports have been cancelled or at least postponed indefinitely. At you. Know they don't want any of that going on. You know. Our kids have a three week spring break. Starting now the they're they're cutting it off immediately end trying to react. You know to to you know slow. This spread this very topic woodworking question for that but I know like New York state I think it would require a change of law to actually reduce the number of school days so if that were to happen to us. I believe they would have to add two weeks to the end of this calendar so web aim scenario should be well. It's not well it's it's they're dealing with it differently and I don't know you know they're dealing with it. You know so something. We have an idea you might kyle. I doubt you do down there. But we've got calamity days built into the schedule. We have snow days Calamities because we're workers so call them. Call them snow days but it was four five six years ago. Where right off? Christmas break? a wicked system came through and it was negative ten or lower actual temperature without wind chill and that held off two weeks of school of starting back up and it was just wicked. And you know it was like Oh you know students walking and all this other stuff users. Why wasn't at the roads? Were bad it wasn't that the snow is covering it was the fact that the conditions were non safe and God. You don't build two weeks of those into the calendar do you like? We have like three ethnic. No that's it so they've got like maybe eight. Maybe ten days and different school systems. Have it differently? And we're on the border in Michigan. And they do it differently but what they did at that time and are my kids. Were in grade school. But they were sending home packets and here is a workbook for you to work on. You know for that time to make up that work and there was a way to equival late. The time in school with work being done so you didn't have to go over so that's what they've done for this so junior high up in our school system all have access to chromebooks and they use the Google classroom so the the they made announcements and we asked her kids when they got home today. What so what is it? Oh you know or English. Has this reading. And this has this and so there's work for them to complete while they're away. Which should keep them on the learning path in some creditable way to to make them not go deep into summer. You know making up days of school Had some more things like that down here. Yeah we don't have these snow days or if it ever does no no one's going in and out of luck well everyone's everyone's going to go play in it for one thing but But no they do have claimed leads down here. I guess you know we have hurricanes and stuff like that and Hurricane Harvey you know. Shut down you know entire schools. Yeah it's GONNA take a couple years to rebuild the school so you know they do a lot of work from home and then reassign them to other schools but yeah so so in in terms like this where they're having a kid stay home. It's an effort to to do you know to do with you. Know the to limit exposure It's it's kind of directly in line. With what the colleges are which. Oh and again. I can't speak to the states that you live in but are lovely. Governor came out Earlier Tuesday of this week. I think so rarely Attila early. This all kind of gotten out of hand quickly But he basically said we're under you declared a state in the state of emergency and to limit this and limit this and subsequently you know you see it was. It was way beyond me to colleges. Were starting their spring break and they were. They were saying no face to face classroom. Anything Through the end of March so few go do your spring break when you come back. You're not to report to school. You should be on your computer doing whatever online. And they're going to work to do that. Show you to give shot to my sister-in-law who she works for a university and her job is to facilitate the professors creating and dealing with online courses. Mother some other computer stuff too. But that's really the crux of it and she went from having the majority of professors like turn their nose up and say like. Why would I do that too in two weeks? The university is going exclusively length of the semester. Yes mum and in in our in our case I just heard it's happened today Ohio State University big big school at University. You hurt me. Everyone's heard of that one. I hope I hate them but anyway no no it's fine but they They have I think as I understand it. 'cause I have a neighbor? Who Son is down there. They have told students to not return to dorms for the rest of the year. They're fun happens. You don't look well. Dorms meningitis and other viral spreads happens right. We're trying to limit that at this point. Yeah well what's interesting? Is You know it finally would work in live? I think listeners and certainly all know is that you know it's GonNa take a class with David yard afterwards. I was asked about friends. The show for the For the show are you is that what is the status of that class Kyle. Well I wouldn't and cancelled since I wouldn't flying up there. You know I'd have to figure everything so I canceled my airbnb and went ahead and cancelled the class. But you know fine. Woodworking Zari announced classes next They're the conference next year. There are dates and everything So we're probably just GONNA do a little Repeat that but of course I give me another year to talk one of y'all or Brian to take in the class with me. Well I'll be honest. I don't know that I'm going to take the class next year because I already have like two weeks crap going on next year but Next you be completely selfish. Next year is better for me in this year. Go so I hope we'll that next year. At least you spend the extra day with you and just hang out for a day or two outside of this stuff as we were trying to this year but was not looking good for well. We'll let reminds me you know David reached out me and Was like hey where did you do on the Friday before and I said you know nothing in fact I was flying on Thursday because I get cheaper airline flights and he had set up a thing with the yield furniture. Study for goodness to go there and you know. They have all the chairs and all kinds of furniture. I literally think they have all the chairs they have. You know antiques antiques. From going you know colonial days in precolonial days and So I was really excited about doing that. But they called earlier this week and said were cancelled and that just like dern it but I hope that I can do all that Next year so well. I don't mean to cut the short but I think we should hope that everyone stays safe and healthy and then anyone doesn't get sick as predicting many of us will that it ends up passing with just minor flu symptoms and no one has any Any drastic medical issues. Didn't anyone who does. We certainly wish you the best but right. Now there's no virus in my shop so let's get going guess exactly so The army so last episode. We did you. You couldn't make it but we didn't get your thoughts about woodstock coming back do they. Now Countess along longest running. They can't be the longest continually running guest. Clearly we are forever. The longest continually running Woodwork guest so I complete agreement when you quit you cannot consider yourself continually running. It's just it's a fact. They got a new logo. They do have a new logo. I'm not sure the new the new logo is great. But it's kind of like fixing something that wasn't broken like that's a classic when when my old would talk logo short got a little hole in it. I went and bought. A new would talk logo shirt because you need to have a would talk logo shirt. I hate to yeah Now it's now it's It is retro or What are the kids say? These days about throwback throwback Jersey or throwback right. It's like I I still drink coffee out of an old wood was for a Mug. That was in two thousand nine rounded. One yes I have this straight. Walled White One. Oh No no no. The rounding well. That was much better. When he started bringing those out for the woodwork. Cancer yes that was my favorite Mug and broken Well I have three of them so How about this to next year? You come up early to find woodworking live. I will make sure I'm actually able to attend and hang out with you and you bring me a buck. Sure in in return. I get a personal tour of the city. I will gladly give you that. I'll take you to yell to all the chairs. All righty. I'll get you the best Burrito in New York. How about that? The best breed New York is what gives. You is actually really good pizza Chinese food. That might work or some way. We can make us work absolutely but not to get back to talk I'm glad to see them back. I got a chance to listen to not the most reason episode the one before where they were talking about what changed in ten years and I rather enjoyed that. That was a cool Kinda. I like the pacing of it and the Kind of quickfire format and I understood from you kyle. That they're not all the same yet. They'RE RIPE. They're everyone's a little different. So Yeah Yeah. I've got another one in the in the chamber. I think I think I'm a week behind you. Sean okay. I'm about two weeks behind my podcast listening right now and the format of open a little different but as much as they're different they're also the same yum. I think you know mark shipped away. Mark went to ship. And it's still going to be more ship The best possible way. That's a derision on mark but You know what you're getting when mark is involved in producing it and that's a good thing. degree so no more power to them and You know what guys hopefully the next time you quit. It's a little bit longer so we can catch up an episode number but But you know exactly well next up on the list Friend of the show And Sean I'll let you say the last thing it's a Bob rosy rosy DSP sound. Yeah he's been on the show but I just WanNa look at the name ago Bob or somebody know him. Better be are fine furniture now. I'm not scared as your of course I mispronounced. It already wants today so but anyway. So but but he is updated his website so That's fine woodworking dot com. So you might want to go out there and check it out you know. He's been doing this for a long time. And you kind of organized. Everything into articles audio video and So it's a it's a real great resource and you can also subscribe to the website. So if he when he publishes new content you can get email on the website now and he's a very modern clean and well-defined website. And I would agree. That things are GonNa be very easy to find on it. But when we talked to him I know he was slowing down from. Actually creating new content is the new website simply a resource to make the existing content. More findable and usable. Or does he actually have the intention of making a continuing making new content? Yeah I think he's going to continue making new content but more in the like the articles Actually writing a blog and yeah exactly and a little bit on videos and stuff as as it comes up so Yeah Yeah he's he's definitely making some Some new content also. But you know anyone. That's into hand woodworking. This should be on bookmarked in a couple of different places. When yeah when I when I was getting into more hand working I was definitely I was referencing his his production stuff back in a decade ago. It's been a while. Yeah so it's nice to see it all in one place that you can get to really easily anyway again that's Be are fine. Woodworking DOT COM at the same website. He had or is it actually a new. You know it's the same website. It's just the actual sites updated but the addresses the same. Yeah okay definitely worth checking out. That's the easy way to do it. You don't you. Don't have to rebrand re point bree anything it's same places that always was just with the new coat of paint so. I just wanted to give you all a quick update so Less episode talked about lost our presses. New Book by Chris Williams. Good work that you're making life of John Brown and There's a question there that came up because I had just started the book and Aspen. Ask Us what do they call them? Welsh stick. I ask that I said is it. Good no I'll let you finish but I want to answer before Kyle does because I think I know so my question I just wanted to say. The answer is in the book. The good Mike West Indiana was are are all Welsh chairs. Stick chairs so wire could they just be called stick chairs and not necessarily Welsh stick chairs or could they just be called Welsh chairs? Because they're all stick stick backed okay. I'M GONNA put on my My snooty I don't make winter chairs hat okay. I'm GONNA say the little little worn every a good hat. Though every chair made in in in Wales is a Welsh Chair I would agree to that okay. I'm GONNA assume that. These are called Welsh stick chairs because of the general form of the chair and the fact that it's made of Greenwood which when picking the grain to get some of the components of the chair out from what I've learned of generic making and this being a derivative of that style or maybe a foundation of that style but still family is that you're looking for a particular style of grain straight grain or curved grain given the Mon of the chair so it it is a chair that literally sticks become component of their sticks that are transformed with with a spoke shave and a draw knife and the different components and tools of making a chair but a stick is literally an ingredient in making the chair. So is it as literal as it's a chair made of sticks in Wales. I'M NOT GONNA say you're wrong either. I'll just say the answer is in the book David Rees but no it it would make sense and now you're like any anything made in. Ohio is an Ohioan thing right. I mean that the area defining the thing is is the area's thing but if there are different styles within there there may be Welsh Windsor chairs I'm sayin' right. I mean it could be and so maybe the one thing I will say about. The book is is nothing. Like any other woodworking book. You've ever read Is Much more of a story about a man and making chairs and Told from the points of view of various people throughout his life was making chairs and only made chairs for just a short while. Not a short. But you know not all of his life I think he was in the Royal Air Force and flew fighter planes and stuff like that which is alluded to in the book. I think but not really talked about. But it's more about his chair. Mckinnon his philosophy. And it's it's a story more than it is a woodworking your typical woodworking books. So you know. Of course it has elements that all in there but It's it it's quite an interesting and Dare Beautiful Story About You know the the chair making life John Brown. So it's really good so you said it was going to be full of lewd language and inappropriate imagery. No no no well you now. Yeah I think you you quickly understand that that. He was married a few times during his life. I'm not I'm not certain that you know you want to You know you hear about it. But it's not something that's integral to the chair making story fair I guess. Oh but Staying with a sort of lost art press Introduced this before you do kyle. I will admit my ignorance and I've only looked at the page like thirty seconds ago. That's why don't have the background that you do. These are the lost art press. Crucible Pinch rods which essentially make I want to call it a stories tech. But it's not it's when you have the two Two sticks that can slide to create a distant and their most often used. I can think of making something square suits set them to the opposite inside corners and lock them together and then make sure the other opposite inside. Corners are the same distance to ensure. That what you're making is literally square. I forget what that necessarily called but these are square. Excuse me for the device not not the process but the Akron Device. Use Them for other things too. That's what you're going to see. These are two. They look grasp. But there's some sort of metal squares with probably some sort of a lock on one. It's hard to tell from the photo what it is. I have not read anything yet and the other one has endured knob that locks it down so these are the components that you take to in this case square stocks. That have a Bev. On one end to make a sharp point on once you can get right in quarter and slide them. I guess each other and then locked them in to define the distance and check the other square. And when I I was like why in God's name what I need something machined to. I'm sure absolutely wonderful standard. Because I I'm going to be critical this but I don't mean to be critical already. The machining he does is amazing right. But I'm thinking. Why do you need this amazingly machine square thing to just you know you could literally blue tape them together? And then I saw the price and I'm like for forty eight dollars square. I might spend forty dollars on this. This is really not a bad price. All of my criticism kind of went away when I saw the price exactly. No it's you know I I have a set lea. Yeah leave. Allie used to have something like when I saw this on went to leave Elis website. I couldn't find it. They may be tool. But woodpeckers made something like this and it was to round but it was all their machines antidote. I'm sure they were more than forty eight dollars dollars. Probably but But no I thought this is pretty nice. It's it's pretty nice little set and you know you you have to make your own sticks I think it's interesting. That the ones that they're using her are made out of Mahogany. It looks like because there's minor made out of two. Well I have hold on hold on sorry. I've taken off hold on but is a nice little nice little tool and they are in the once you once you start using them. It's just like Oh yeah. This is much better than trying to do. Take measure and You can even use them for other things like checking distances between legs and stuff like that. So yeah is this a case where any time or Harry could use blue tape but you dear listener deserve better and this quality of the machining of these components and the wonderful precision. It will add an enjoyment. It will add to your crafting of objects that are in square will make your work infinitely more valuable and Ed an infinite amount of enjoyment to your process. So you'd be a fool not to spend forty eight dollars on these. So while while not not requiring a fine violinist steck sturdy to pinch two sticks together to pinch in the corners of your box and then blue tape them around them without them. Shifting might be a little more difficult than it is to them in a captured set of things with a nut to tighten it down. I would add a slight ease to the operation I would. I would actually agree with that. There is more benefit than just the aesthetics one of them. It looks like it's under spring tension and the other one is a neural knob. So you Kinda you landed up. It holds itself and then you twist Knob to lock it in. Is that the case I would? It appears to be Kyle. Can you tell US Kyle have similar? Yeah yeah the one with the neuro. Nabi I'll let's Let's the Let's one piece of wood slide in and out and locks down the other one. Yeah it's locked into other piece of wood. It's it's steady there so Gasso yeah now works. Well now there is a trick that I use while making chair. So if you've got two legs and you've drilled your spindle holes and then you need to measure to see how long spent a whole czar is. This one won't really work as it's going to be too big actually fit into the spin all but you can take to bamboo skewers and put them in either spindle. Hopefully this is making sense and then when you hold them together you just put a little pencil mark on both of them so then you can put it back together. Okay so pencil. Mark Easier than blue tape easier and blue tape and plus you can get the skewers then out of the spindle holes. Yeah that too. Yeah because removing them in that case where you're spanning between two penetrations that yeah you you need the take them apart where you get him out of there or you're stuck. Yeah so that's the that's the technique is think Curtis Buchanan is. I don't know if he came up with it but that's I using it from a technical perspective. Would around one run. One still wouldn't let you do that. So the fact that it's square and a little wide doesn't really impact. Yeah the the thing is is. You're going into two mortices basically so you gotta be able to back it out and then so. I mean if this was made small enough it would do. You would still have to put some sort of more between the two to back together but you know at. That's not what these are designed for these designed to measure distances between things and check for square on cases so at at this price point. They're flying off the shelves. They're currently not in stock. Yeah how often are they unstuck? They're getting much better. You know crucible used to run out of things all the time but I think they're getting better now. New Tools are going to probably run into this but You know they. They are doing a much better job of of keeping things in stock. So but you know this came out like last week so yeah it's going to sell out making everything himself or did they have help keeping everything I think they. I think they have help Do they have L. putting stuff together and I'm not sure you know exactly if he's doing everything or not Haven't kept up with that. But I know that you know. Some of the people like Brandon and and Chris of course himself together a few others John and stuff. You know we'll help you know a symbol lump hammers and things of that nature you know. For instance. Lump Hammers are in stock for a year. Every time they sell out so do you. Do you buy enough with them. That you have sway and could get rainy on. Because he's a joy to chat with I don't know I mean I know Chris but I've met rainy a couple of times but he would know me from Adam I I had. I don't know Fine Woodworking America. Two Thousand and something. We were in the in the starbucks in the COVINGTON Convention Center and I had a fifteen minute conversation with rainy as we way that line starbucks next week and he just an absolute hoot. Be as well. And you know I don't th- as it may not be something he wants to do but sure we can reach out. Everyone wants to be. That's right checked into this kind of. Witless panter exactly exactly but no. I think that's good. That's a good idea to reach out to him and city so Hey I ordered a new product for micro JAG dolled it today. It is the micro jig magnetic dust cover steel table solace now Ramona Valdez. I WANNA say about two months ago. Maybe longer than that posted something similar so basically Must've saw that video and said hey we could make that but You know what I don Ramon is wonderful but this is a that magnetic cover over. That slot was in an article on Vinyl Wood. Working on how to dust proof. A contractors table saw released a decade ago and I literally have my slot covered with renaissance woodworker magnet. That's all it is. It's just the thing to put over the whole. Yeah because for your Arbor's Bellucci swing trick to dust collection. A table saw is having good suction and yeah and you've got so many holes exactly cabinet sauce have poor suction contractor basically just blow so this is a good easy way to close off a giant gaping hole in the front of your saw and because it's a magnet it adjusts when because that whole your cranked. There needs to swing through the whole whole as you. Adjust the angle of your blade a magnet. You can't just permanently. Fill it early nineties and make square things. In which case you should probably by the crucible adjustable things because they'll help you make square but But no I thought E- add that. Yeah I need to do that. I kept thinking about it and thinking did and then I heard about this. I think it might have been on a marks Morning Show where they call him Friday. Yeah I think I might have been on that. But I'm not sure I went out to Micra jigs website and it's not anywhere on their website but it is on Amazon and it's only eight dollars as of today eight dollars and seventy seven to my cart as we've been talking to you chief not to buy exactly so So anyway that's That's something out there so you know like like you're saying this is just a it's basically the same stuff they make those Magnetic cards you get in the mail from the insurance or realtors and it's basically the same material and just like you said it's over where you're arbor swings. My Dad's got a birthday coming up and he's got a PM. Sixty six table. Saw might work nicely. There you go. We won't tell them what it costs. It looks it looks cheap the only and is the only yeah. It is it looks. It looks expensive but it's not cheap. I'm sure it's very well magnetized. It does have that picture on it. You know I'm mighty dollar to to have something that was just black. Yes that you could always you always get some some three m sprayed in different picture on it. Yeah you a picture of me or no picture. Just see a white backed magnet. It could be a bear magnet. It could really care you. Could you could draw a picture of dust particles. There you go. I'm sorry guys is Friday night a little slap heavy. It's fine that's fine. It's fine so that's really cool and it's approachable little accessory to do better your absolutely. It's you know your shop. You don't have this question. I'm not sure if it makes any sense but if you have this collection on your saw it is a no brainer for nine dollars. Why wouldn't you just slap it on? It's going to improve your collection immensely and it's not just a massive dust collector. I if you've got a shop VAC hooked up. This will help absolutely lean over the blow. It's GonNa help so be careful. You WANNA lead into the blade no running no bad anyway. Who's got them twelve. Milwaukee can't see me but I'm raising my hand you yummy all right so years ago festival introduced the CSS. Which is this tiny little. I WanNa say it's twelve volt. It's not eighteen volt. I think it's twelve. It's a little little thing and It's a it's the festival fanatics out. There will have to forgive me if I'm incorrect in this. But I believe it's made for cabinet makers it's a drill driver. It's not a proper drill And I believe it's made for cabinet makers because it comes with a number of replaceable tips. Which gives you chuck's they give you an eighth inch. Quick release but it's the walkie festival in quick release. It doesn't finish It gives you an offset driver and it gives you a right angle driver. Which when you're putting in like drawer slides and different components inside cabinetry is really handy And I looked this thing I said. Wow that's really cool and I bought one and I pulled the trigger and I realized it had zero. Torque and I sold it no okay. It's for cabinets for putting in screws. It's not for driving tap cons into concrete. I understand that but I have a range of Milwaukee End Makita eighteen volt tools. And Milwaukee. Excuse me Makita Milwaukee the redwoods Milwaukee Twelve hundred tools and certainly the eighteen volts are in a different class in the twelve. But even the twelve's they have some power and like putting my my fence together not my dad my fence. I used probably more twelve volt tools. Eighteen volt so okay compared to what I was already used to in the twelve. Volt world this. The festival was in my opinion very underpowered. And that's why I got rid of it because I couldn't drive like inch and a half. Stainless steel screws that I would use for cabinet construction. I couldn't drive them with this thing. It was it was underpowered. Unless they've changed it it remains into power is not worth buying and for for visual clarity. It it's the best tool drill. That has the extra piece in front of your hands. You're holding that comes down kind of weights sheets so when you're going to sword fight your knuckles. Don't get cut there. It is. There's yeah that's so. That's the festival drill fast forward to a few months ago maybe in like November December of last year Makita. No I keep confusing them. Is Milwaukee so read one Milwaukee brings out what as best I can tell is an absolute equivalent? It's twelve volt. It's the same format with that weird thing in front of your fingers. Though at least in the festival the battery had this vertical component at slip into that. The Milwaukee just uses the walkie batteries and fit in the handle. So I don't know why the Milwaukee put it there other than to Connie the design of the festival some advantage yet it has a little magnetic catch. But that's not particularly helpful number necks so so the Milwaukee has the same quick release tips. Maybe it's not the same mechanism but from a practical functional standpoint. It's identical so I picked up the Milwaukee thinking. That's a useful tool and all things being equal. I've yet to be disappointed by Milwaukee cordless tool that I and it's half the price of the fest tool the Milwaukee. Twelve have is certainly powerful enough unlike the festival. So let me try this out so I picked one up around Christmas time and I'm GonNa give it the most qualified to positive review. I can in. That is better than the festival but not worth buying Okay it's better than the festival and then it seems to have an appropriate amount of torque power. I've been able to drive. You know small one two inch screws. Nothing crazy okay. it'd be cabinet makers are thinking. Well you should be driving a three eighths grew. I'm not doing anything small like that. But my opinion twelve drills you'll be able drive to unscrew and this does that I have done things with the offset head that are truly helpful because the offset had put the driver right on the edge of the shape of the body where you have to put it up against a cabinet wall or something I was fixing was actually fixing the stands for our flags for boy scouts and we have a pipe that comes up that ended up being female receiver of the flagpole that drops down in it and the flange that gets screwed down the base. The pipe is right next to where the screw will goes and I couldn't do it without the offset tip and I stepped off the tip on and it was a breeze and it was really helpful. But that that that's just as helpful with the festival but again the Milwaukee is more powerful and that's benefit and it's half the price and that's an but the negatives which is why I would say it's still not something I can recommend you buy unless you truly need one of these heads. It has the right angle of you offset because the the regular. Chuck Eddy. Drew has that so. That's not necessarily a benefit couple. Things is that in Milwaukee twelve volt. They make a larger battery. That has like a square base that sticks out from the handle and they've a smaller battery. That's kind of A. It's a rounded triangle. Shape that fits in the handle than yours so if you use the smaller battery then that Weird Guard thing that comes down in front of your hand and the battery make a level base and you can rest like on the on the base of the drill as you can like most eighteen volterra have a big fat battery in the bottom Okay you use the bigger battery. Which is what. I have most often what I use more often because they last longer. Then that that Weird Front guard thing doesn't hit the ground and it tips forward and you can't rested on its base has put it on the side which is a little inconvenient. I understand they have to GYP. Batteries styles have popout foot. For God's sakes like just do something. If you're going to use this thing a lot you're gonNA want the bigger battery and the bigger battery makes it less useful. That's a problem All the pictures I've seen so far tonight show with the big battery long snow battery. It works conveniently with a small battery but as I said like I probably have five or six of the big batteries and three of the small batteries like whatever I bought a battery. I I only by the big ones. Because why wouldn't you everything else rests on the big battery because they don't have that silly front thing to balance on and the big battery just less lower so that's one thing the other thing is it has rather than having a switch of a physical switch that moves it from forward to reverse. It has a push button on the top that that's digital and know I don't particularly care there's digital really bothering me but it has a light indicate whether it's in forward or reverse and what I have discovered through use is that I can see that light just finding my shop and if Wola making his kitchen cabinets that's fine the middle you go outside. You can't see the light. It's not bright enough so I was using it actually at work. I was anyone who saw the instagram post. I made Under the Mwa account just as we were recording. I was showing the Bosh Jigsaw. That's on my workbench right now. How my workbench? It's on the top of the team centers where it is And I didn't show is that there's a couple of holes drilled through the foot of that saw because we had to make this curved edge at work and I bought the saw for work to to make the curved edge. I made a rounded wooden thing that fit at screwed underneath to act as a guide and then we cut through it. That's not really the point. But because I was there making the curve because no one else knows how to make curves properly because we're not makers I had this drill with me and the drill was was fine in terms of its power. I was driving inch five eighths and two and a quarter inch wood screws. It drove them no problem. I could not tell if I was in photo reverse. I literally realized I needed to pull the trigger to tell what direction I was in before. I could drill down because the light was. You could not see the light I was. It was It was February in New York so it wasn't particularly bright It was it was impossible to see the light and I think that's probably an oversight because my guess is that they never tested it outside because it's really not designed for outside use but then again unless we're talking to a professional cabinet maker this is going in your homeowner's tools and you're gonNA use it a little bit everywhere and it's it's useful to know that you can't see this light outside whereas if you have a traditional throw switch you can tell whether it's in photo reverse without having to like you know coupled with your hand or watch the spin so that big negative yeah my my hand is conditioned to use the like gun safety style index finger pushes it in. Its going forward thumb PU- pushes it back. It's going in reverse. I know exactly what that's doing That's weird to make it to change that now. The only other one. I've seen changes a driver than my dad has which is a dewalt and it was a it was a gyroscopic control. So you twisted to the left. You're unscrewing if you twisted the right you're screwing electricity tool because you're just driving screws into threaded metal. What are the motorized ones? That looks like a screwdriver. Yeah you twist the handle to make it ninety degree handle Gotcha or it could be ozone. It's very very thin cylinder naturally but that would that had this little gyro in it. So that you just engage when you press it the would go in and that would be like. I can go now. And if you tilted left it would driving the further you tilted the more it would drive and it had a little bit of tour but not too much and you can adjust it with its standard kind of. Torque adjuster But otherwise why mess with what really has been largely a standard as far as I've known in my lifetime. Yeah the one I use I had the the Bausch one the little twelve. Oh bausch one that's and I haven't got an eighteen twelve and then the new twelve. I've got I've got and I've got a big fat bass twelve but I use it all the time for you. Know driving screws in and and things like that and Boy least had that twelve years and it still works like a charm so but you know it's the same form factor as a regular a drill a number of those Milwaukee's that are that same form factor. I have a drill driver that are. That's informed factor and I have the dewalt. That's the impact gone in the twelve. Volt which is really handy. Little tool sometimes And I've been really pleased with all of them. Which is what led me to buy this. I was like well. The four factors pretty cool. Milwaukee makes nice stuff I like to twelve. I have the twelve all the why not get it and It's not again. It's more useful than the festival is half the price and the festival. So I can't say don't buy it. It's not a waste but Unless the special tips really or something you need. It's it's not a useful addition to your arsenal. Unless you really need the benefit it provides right agree. Yeah my regular drill. Drivers are are Milwaukee. I guess I got a hammer drill. I got a twelve built in eighteen. Bolton impact eighteen I duck out here but as I'm looking around my shop just in the stuff that doesn't fit in my cabinet seats cordless Milwaukee's and one Louis Makita. Yeah I've been. I've been really pleased with the Milwaukee so the Chuck's really nice but I have heard over a lot of USA. King can be problematic but bother. Yeah the trucks. But it's but I've never had an issue. I am real gentle. I'm not shocks on. You know I'm not you know Just grabbing almond and mash guerrilla full-throttle to tighten them up. I never had an issue with chuck my first Milwaukee Twelve volt drill. I blew the clutch in it but I was drilling. It was like a three eighths inch drill bit through steel and the Druidic court and that was the clutch broke and I had no power to the chuck and it was like you know what I I know. I overuse the drill and I can't blame it for that replaced it with a new one. And he's been working fine since but the actual chuck. I've never had an issue with one person. Say That to me but you know like I said I don't. I don't WanNa put a lot of stock into that because that's just that's just one thing and I've never had had an issue with him. Yeah and I've been Bosch since the old When they used to drop the battery off the top of the truck to prove that it was the brute for whatever you know like back in you know ten fifteen years ago whenever that was I've been washed only before that I did have a dewalt that I bought the next day I went and I was. I was drilling. I was driving screws. I was putting a set together for musical and the clutch stripped on it and I took it back and I said No. I'm never using the same again and I do. We're talking like circa two thousand to two thousand ish but that's been awhile timeframe. Two thousand two thousand. The Dewalt was king. No timeframe sucked. Yes yes the Milwaukee had sucked and the Puerto cable sucked at the time. Too and Boston just starting to get better and you know it was a tie it. Whatever and that's why I did. I walked into Home Depot. I bought this thing. It was like it was an lower whatever at the time and But yeah it's like why and just walked right through and I went what the Hell and couldn't adjust it back. It was just gone limited. Forget to say two things. I want to Milwaukee for second because I have a number of their lights and I'm wanting to light one. I got for free because I'm GonNa Battery and one I actually paid for but I have their life because I have older batteries. Not necessarily because their lights were the best but I have been really pleased with their lights and as a unit and boy scouts. Now we don't use lanterns. We USE MILWAUKEE BATTERY POWERED LIGHTS NUMBER OF US. Have them and they work that well. They'll ask all weekend so that's impressive that they really are. They're wonderful But to switch back to the Bosch for a second I like Bausch as a brand name and the Bosch Things I own are very nice and like I was talking about this jigsaw before my personal corta. Jigsaw is an old circa two thousand and one port cable and it's tank but it it has no finesse And I have a Milwaukee Makita a Makita eighteen. Volt cordless jigsaw which I really like. It's the older style they've they've updated it with a new one that I've tried and don't like but I have the older one it's made in England of all places and it weighs a ton without the battery but it is a really well made jigsaw Since I've owned that I've bought a fence tool car. Vex Jigsaw and said this is crap and sold the mill the Makita cordless is better than the festival hands down but this Bosch. I got it for work because we were cutting this curve and I knew I had to drill a bunch of holes for the foot so we put it in the course of the job and it's probably going back to work but I have been pleased with the use of this box and I've only heard good things about jigsaw us but the Bosch cordless tools the handle strikes me as abnormally fat and just slightly uncomfortable to hold. Do you find that or are you just lost them like I yeah? I'm I'm used to them. Maybe I I have no problem. Although hands is is very I was a piano player or an I could cover ten keys with spread between my thumb and my pinkie so maybe I big hands school and nothing against your hands. But you're not personally no. I'm not I'm assuming that I have bigger hands and you 'cause I I have relatively large hands. I wear an extra large glove and even that I think to a double X. on some brands that that's really relevant. But but no. I don't know I mean I I've never had a going with a man I I haven't used a great deal of of of other other drills and drivers I could just becomes too because it could. It could be an. There's difference in them. I mean I'm I'm from where I'm sitting. I can see the soft bag that has the old twelve volt with the nonsurgical battery sticks right up in the bottom end of it as as like a clip Those are different shape than what my eighteen volt route has or things dying. The battery can't hold the charge anymore or anything But the I don't know they're all they're all different but I've not had a problem with them But I haven't used another makers my dad's got Milwaukee stuff but I. I can't remember the last time I put into my hand. I just don't but back in the day I I was building houses with gas. Pass load. Naylor's those things terrible handles uncomfortable. They were just shit. Yeah maybe but again guests charges in the handle. It was a battering the handle guest charges in front You how was it knows this gas charge? It was it was guest charge but it was in the handle. I'm trying to remember how we did that. Because you had to push them in and then when they were done would throw them in the fire and make them explode Refined woodworking live in two thousand twenty one firepit in the backyard. You should bring your those. Those are the construction company work where they were there but but But not yet no. It's anyway. Yeah I guess handle geometry's never really bugged me you know and if I look at the different saws and stuff I have a hand saw. Those handles are completely off the board. You know my my one rip saw is square in one profile. And so you're wrapping around to thinner section. Then you're holding between the PAT of your hand and your fingers. It's just I don't know I've never had a problem. But maybe that's just me. Maybe let you bring us all the way back to the Milwaukee M twelve fuel. Three eighths inch installation drill driver. Yes just rolls off. The tongue does does well festival. Css IS I guess a little bit better but it sounds like a train. Do they have like a One or a quarter inch installation driver or a quarter inch half inch insulation drivers interest. But I think it's because it's the three eighths inch drill when you put a check on it which are traditionally a little smaller than the half intro so it had oh that chuck has a capacity to chuck has since but but the truck is just one of four tips to plug into it. So I don't know why it's that size. Why they just call it their their little baby drill driver. I don't know but To GET BACK TO ERGONOMICS FOR SECOND. It's not necessarily a problem but to hold it properly and to use it it's a very historic grip style. cordless tool a lot of drill driver is not handled. This is a pistol grip and you need to pull the trigger with your Middle Finger and have your index finger like running along the side of the body took. Oh really grip it comfortably and okay. I don't actually mind that. That's how I hold a saw like I'm holding my various I don't know what am I. Various Jones by twelve to fourteen in my hand as we're talking and that's exactly how I just naturally put my finger but that's saw and I don't naturally hold drill that way so it's not a complaint but it's just I've had to get used to holding it that way and when you hold it that way it's wonderful because your fingers right in line with the driver and it works fine. It's just different than every other driver have Different will the lightweight and some tour. Maybe that helps with just controlling it and to have on hand to have your middle finger engaging the trigger. I mean there's just a whole lot of weird or economic movement interesting because my Milwaukee The twelve volt which is a hammer drivers. Big It's a big one bits before they made eighteen volts. It's probably you know four or five years old but it's more of a pistol grip style and I'm GonNa have to pay attention the way I hold that one versus my other Milwaukee which is a newer one And it's more of a that t type panel but you're you're as to hammer drill so is that one of the ones that has the battery in the front in front of the handle no no no amounts in the handle both yeah both of them are quote Unquote Hambur hammered drill drivers but our hammer drills but like once twelve lends eighteen volt. I mean they're full size. You know they're not baby Like this drill driver type stuff through standard format. And I'll just throw this. I'm just wondering what the Pistol Grip on the twelve. Oh I wonder how actually hold that because I'm kind of second nature to To use my middle finger and put my indexing along the the body. I I'm GonNa like how to actually use it when I grab it. Yeah I'm GonNa pay more attention because I- i- flop recently between three different drills of two different formats and one two of them because the same battery but they're different one's one's got chuck on the front and one just got the the spring loaded the quick release yeah and And then the other is the pistol grip one and I. I think between middle and index finger. You know pulling you know depending. I don't know I'm GONNA have to up. Just pay more attention to that I. It's just an interchangeable movement. Maybe maybe maybe well let's give. Let's get to a little love though I do on so many things but I think I sound like I'm the one I know people who universally loved them or universally hate them know anyone else who takes the fifty fifty few that I have. I'm staring right now. I literally let me count. I have eleven fest Tool Sanders. Enders hanging in my Sandra Cart and I'd probably have one or two more. Besides that have both dominos track saw. I have dumped by kids college education in the fest tools so not against the plane but they earn enough universally the best everything. There are some things they suck at their routers our garbage. They're they're cordless drills are way overpriced and some of them are okay. Some of them are terrible. They do their tick sauce. I don't get it jigsaw. Suck like they're no tool company. Makes everything the best? That's true of everybody off years and years and years ago. I was a huge fan of Porta cable before they got bought by Dewalt Puerto cable used to make the best courted screw guns. I didn't know that Don category doesn't exist anymore. But there was a time when they made the absolute best corded screw guns but they didn't make the best of other things so I think you need to approach festive like every other company. They're not this holier than Thou Wonderful Brilliant Company. They make very nice stuff and some of the stuff. That's okay yeah I totally agree with you and one of the things I think they do make nice as their dust extractors that they do live two of them. They're wonderful yes can they can't be a little pricy but but they just released a new one. Okay this I don't know that because I've not been paying attention. Let me ask you you delete in makes it sound like it's affordable. Does that mean it's too small to us? I don't think so okay. I think it's standard is. It's not you know I have the thirty six an old one before. They redesigned him but That's been a workhorse for me. But they just came out with a CT fifteen. Which I think is the hander mid-size the mini one in the mid. One I think is like the mid size want so. It's bigger than the there. There are many one but I mean it's a fully You know carte one looks to be you know it's you know I don't know I wanNA say stands may twenty four inches tall something in that neighborhood But anyway it's only three hundred forty nine dollars would say only only that is that is a great price for festival. Dust extractors and that prices kind of a gateway drug. So don't knock it and what I will say is a couple things about festival Not necessarily even that one you talk about the old one. That's the one where the dust intake is on the side of the center. No it's in the center. But I WANNA say mine's like from around two thousand seven two thousand eight. I think around two thousand though. I don't know twelve or so they. They redesigned him. Years must have. Oh Oh you must have either. It's newer or the dust extractors on the side the the actual hosting on the side because it was probably only about four or five years ago that they redesigned them to move the dust connection to the center. Well Mine's mine's on the front. Are you talking about the the the side of does collector know it's the front but the older ones had it all the way? If you're facing the I guess it's all the way to left versus Senate side. No no you're you're exactly right. That's the that's the model is I have. I don't have my number in front of me in from where I'm sitting. I can't actually say it's behind my stand. Iraq is the twenty six. Is the Big One thirty six. What's the number for the Big One? Thirty six mine was. I think mine was the biggest at the time. I think it's like a thirty two exactly. I have the older style in the biggest size at the time And I have the newer style in the biggest size at the time. My older style. is wonderful. I actually burnt out the hippo filters because I was I was in taking burning. Mdf embers at it melted the filters. I'd have replaced filters but it's been an absolute workhorse and I have a dust. Deputy on it and it's wonderful. I. It is a great great vacuum. I have the newer one. The the older one is a little awkward to lock in that. There's a separate lock for each of the rear wheels and at least in my driveway which is not level some of the times the rules don't contact and we'll still drift occasionally but it's not bad The newer one. It doesn't like with the wheels it has this little foot that comes out in the middle. Which makes it a tripod. And it's a little tippy and I don't like that The new one is a little harder to open I. I'm forgetting the inside because quite frankly I got the new one I said this is not an improvement. I put the new one in the attic and I haven't used it since I talked to my festival dealer and I was told at the time the new one came out. Which has to be pregnant. I'm wrong two three years ago. Maybe three or four years ago. It's a while something like that. Yeah it's been a while when the new one came out. Which of course takes different bags? I was told that they would only make bags for the old one for five years so I didn't just turn around and sell the new one because I didn't want to be in a situation where five years down the road. I couldn't get back to my old. What ended it needed. A new one So my new ones been sitting on my attic. Virtually since I got it and I continue to use the old one which I there's some subtle things that they say are better at the new one. I don't even remember what they are at this point but none of them proved to be any better. The old one the wheels lock easier. The form factor is a little bit smaller. More compact made it easier to fit in my shop and I still have three bags for the old one so until I run a bags and can't get them anymore. I will continue to use the old one and then I'll reluctantly switch to the new one. Yeah Curtis they're awesome. They're also in this is like you said entryway gateway drug so to speak into the tool Ecosystem I mean. This was three hundred fifty bucks. It comes with the anti-static hose which the other ones do not want the regular green hoses. When has the gray hose and even comes with of tools a crevice tool and the sweep tool which is Which is pretty Nice Minding. Come with any success stories like that and like. I said it's only three hundred fifty bucks there many which is even smart which is smaller than this one. I think is five hundred dollars And so this is kind of like the one and only festival I have just the CT one twenty five no but whatever the standard that's like they brought a couple of years ago it was a hundred bucks a hundred bucks. Yeah so I got an festival for one hundred bucks sucked but no I want to call attention to this highlighted line on their site that said the C. T. Five does not have bluetooth connectivity. And there's no option for Bluetooth as an add on. Please tell me why. In God's name you need Bluetooth technology on a dust collector. I know the answer it's stupid. You're correct I don't remember. I try to listen to most of the woodworking podcasts. Out there and you have to forgive me. I don't remember which podcast it was but literally two days ago. A day ago wasn't today because I didn't. I was in the office all day but last time I was in the car extended which I think was yesterday. I was listening to one of the many woodworking podcasts out. There and there was discussion of one of the hosts had multiple vacuums and was talking about how he had a couple but the one that he really liked was the one with the Bluetooth and at the time my thought was why the Hell do you need a bluetooth connector on your vacuum like you go to the festival website and it talks about how you know if you have the Bluetooth in the vacuum. Your kids won't get cancer and you can't get the corona virus. Jesus Christ never really I know but it it it tout's some mythical benefit and I think I use the vacuum as rigorously perhaps less frequently but as rigorously as anybody out there and I remember when they came out with thinking. Why on Earth would I want to do that? And now that I'm sitting here I can't think of I can't think of a reason. Why Bluetooth important like the advantage of the vacuum is that you plug your tool into it. And when the tool turns on the vacuum turns on turns you off off fifteen seconds later so it clears the lines of dust and yes. You're on the fact that that is a wonderful feature that frankly all vacuum should do but only a handful of them do. Yes so something. I I put on my whole house. Humidifier is a current sensing relay so that it only blows wet air when the fan is actually blowing otherwise it's going to put wetness into a system that's not moving and that's a bad thing exact. So so why. That needs to be wirelessly. Any wireless technology why it doesn't make sense because you're only gonNA plug one thing into this thing at a time. Okay here's the thing and I think I think in this discussion. I think I've come up with it is for the newer generation of cordless tools Because if you're cordless it can't sense when the tool is on or off This wrong I shouldn't but I'm not wrong. That doesn't make sense but okay. But here's the thing I I was listening. I've said this a couple of times tonight. I will continue to share it. I'm tweets bad about podcasts. Everyone take note. I was listening to the most recent for me. A fine homebuilding podcast. Because I think most of us we've enjoyed and Patrick's a Nice Guy. I like and in their most recent episode that I've listened to which is probably two weeks old they were discussing track source. And they're not woodworking guys. They're carpenters Patrick. Is the host of the show. I know him personally when you talk about eighth of an accuracy. His eyes glaze over. He is a carpenter. Not a woodworker. And that's wonderful because he makes nice stuff and he's a good guy and I like But he was talking about having the festival track saw and another editor was talking about having a cordless track saw and the advantage of the cordless and they were both like well. If you really nice by connected to the vacuum but I don't Bother Connecticut vacuum and I'm yelling at the car because I'm listening to this as I'm driving and I sent them an email because I of course I did about how you there were right. You need to connect the track. Sorta vacuum but the instant you connected to the vacuum. The fact that is cordless is useless. Because you've already got the vacuum hose. Why not have a regular court so that returns to this vacuum discussion of if I'm going to connect vacuum to a sander or saw or domino. Why Earth would I need it to be cordless because I've already going to vacuum what was going to it because some might and it's why I mean they're just like money right now and I haven't heard that actually from a post framer 'cause I'm interested in that kind of stuff that like. He was whatever he was working in his shop instead of on the field and he said Yeah because of all the batteries stuff we've been using battery Naylor's and battery drivers you know but man in the shop. This air hose connected. Naylor really is awesome. It's lightweight it's easy to move around. Why would you not you know? There's a there's a place for it and there's a place not for you. The advantages are there are separations between the two. You know what just Y application. I agree but again I'm GONNA come back to the fact that for a Bluetooth connected vacuum to work. The vacuum hose needs to be connected to the tool. Yeah so exactly. Even if you're in the field in the field cordless tools are wonderful but the minute you connect them to a vacuum and vacuum has to plug in. Why wouldn't you just use a cordless tool the plugs into the vacuum? Because you only have a hose going there. Not So fast. They do have some cordless vacuums now festival. I don't think I will does. I don't know what about their ITTY bitty one little sustain is when I don't know that one might I don't I don't think so but it might but I look at that one unless you're installing jewelry boxes in million dollar homes. Why would you ever want to vacuum that sport? It's Kinda cool that fits in with everything else. But it's so frigging tiny. Oh God how anyway? So that's how I feel the fifteen berlinger three hundred forty nine dollars in fuel. Three eighths installation drill driver. Yes yes but okay. Well let's let's talk festivals more because they're always giving us some things so Have I guess? Mobile selling tables? What they're calling it out and I watched the videos. It's Kinda of interesting but I think you could build something very similar yourself for less than a thousand dollars for the listeners. Who heard me made that noise apologized? I'm looking at these things for the first time as we're recording and I am not a proper host and having prepared and haven't looked these notes I I own that sitting in front of my garage right now but it's made by different company and I only paid half the price for the unique thing about this that that Solo is interesting. Is You know it will. It will help you handle your. She geds actually put him up into a horizontal Orientations doors on parent orientation exactly and it. Also you know you can. Also you know Disassemble it fairly easily. Get into a nice compact shape and I think you'll handle some large goods but thousand dollars is a lot to spend on something like that. It's too much I'm thinking you know with some experience with or Y'all familiar with eighty twenty. They make Extruded aluminum parts you can buy. You can make something using their components for probably a third of the price. I would think well I have when I when I'm actually doing work. Which has not been for a very long time listener When I'm actually doing work I use my benchmark table all the time and I often get questions about it collapsible table that has plastic not wooden things that pop up on the top and you can sort through the plastic and before they went into business they were nice enough to send me about just off so I have extra. It's an imperfect solution because they are out of business but I think I paid about four hundred bucks for it and mine this this festival kind of fold up like an accordion like cross pieces have hinges and its remains standing and wheels on the bottom. Which is Kinda cool? I guess they're already awful up. So it's still the same height but but compacted whereas mine the legs hinge underneath it twice a flipped onto its side and the legs fold up so minds about thirty inches wide by five foot long. Something like that. You put it Saporta. She could just find. The sheet hangs over on the sides and I love it. I absolutely love it and I've had mine for years and years probably going on a decade and I would not be without it when finally dies because I'm going to be upset that I can't buy another one It's a great great thing and if this is your version of that you know what I've got a thousand dollars worth of use out of mine and mine was only four bucks. But why would you pay a thousand dollars for this? I just don't get it. Yeah I don't either. Well I guess if you're in the you know if you're an onsite contractor and you're in the fest tool world and you want to you know but all the time you may be able to pay for something like this and short order. I don't know two two things if you're anti contractor into the cost the job it's not that big a deal. I absolutely understand that. All things being equal there mark is professionals who make money at this so in that world a thousand dollars not that much money. I understand that but your second point of your in the festival world. Well this is a table. It doesn't interact with their system at all. Like you give table from anybody. This rather unique special table. But it's not like it connects to your vacuum or your Sandra or something. It's just a Table Has Bluetooth God notification. When you fold it up your phone knows exactly you know and you can locate it around the job site. You know Big nope there's a market for this. Clearly they think there is a market for this and they're probably right but I'm GonNa go with you Sean. Nope yeah well. That's why I'm put it in the show notes because I knew I knew you would have a fun time with this one for anyone who wants to look it up. It is the festival two zero five one eight three S. TM eighteen hundred mobile sewing table. Ooh I wanted to twenty eight hundred. Roll another one. Wait till the upgrade it and then the bags will fit anymore right anyway so too. I got something for you. Which is a little smaller. Little more fits in your pocket kind of things right No this was Lazarus earlier this week maybe today earlier to be the the woodpeckers pocket compass now I don't find myself needing to draw circles on the fly but the in the in the woodpecker style of red analyzed aluminum recision machines parts. This is a pretty slick. Look a little thing where it's got basically a Inner how would you say that they fight inside each other to pieces each other male and female component with adjustability? There you go that you you set a point. It has a has a point that threads into the back end of it for storage and then can be put into it for as a pivot point and pencil drives down in it. And you can draw circles of varying diameters and there's two different sizes anyway. I thought it was a cool little little thing in the same vein as the The PAULINI pocket square that they brought out years ago. It's it appears to be about the same size and this one at least yeah. Yeah do you have the big one of those Pollini ones I have? I have two of the small ones actually. I don't have the big one okay. Oh I didn't realize they made a big police but this doesn't make a big one and yeah the the the small one of these for sure. It's it's like it is truly possible And it just yeah. If you find a the need to draw now these are true circles. There's no elipsoid or or any other shapes you can do with them. They are just. It's a circle cutter Circle Marker And only a circle marker but I think it's. It's pretty cool. I second that and harp on it for a minute. Is that go? If you're in the market or in the habit of making circles often this is probably a really good way to go because I will admit that when I have made circles it's been kind of some kind of jury rig thing that kind of makes the circle you know it makes circle but it's not that stable and I babysit it's not ideal and I actually have a They sponsor the other podcast. But I have a Iraq Ler Circle cutting dig that I bought after the last circle. I made more circles but I haven't made a circle sits So if you're making circles this I'm sure this is fantastic. Because woodpeckers makes really nice stuff at dwell machine and it is it looks very convenient in that sense. I make not necessarily square stuff but I tend to power more than make circles. So the the pay. Leena rule that you mentioned one lives in my In my apron like it's fantastic it was. I'm going to guess it was fifty bucks something like the was it. Oh I don't even know 'cause I have one too. I wasn't wasn't terribly expensive him. I don't think it was much easier hundred or one hundred fifty bucks depending on the size. I'm looking at sixty. You can do the one. The one the little ones rain dri- little one is sixty bucks. One is one hundred. Sixty is probably only a little bit more than the paling rule was at the time it's twenty bucks more. Yeah Thirty percent but still if you're making circles often I'm sure this is a wonderful tool. I don't make circles often. It seems a wonderful tool to solve half. I actually make circles fairly the thing I can see. That's great about this. It's easy to set it up site. I want to circle. You can look like you can easily get it to two inches in boom whereas if you're using you know what? I Use a traditional compass. Is that you know you might have to lay that up against a ruler. You know adjusted Nanu fine adjustment to to get into your you know dimensions but I'd be interested to play around with one but Even though I make circles I'm not sure I want to spend sixty or a hundred dollars you know I got a Nice. Compass works really well. Well the question was about forty bucks or so questions circles. Do Make and you get paid for the circles. Exactly because that's not the answer to this thing. Yeah exactly but you know I can see some advantages. You know. It's something you can carry around with you. Where compass cans especially the one I have is a fairly big one in has sharp points all kinds of neat stuff like that that you don't want to be sliding into your apron in and out so I can definitely see where this would come in handy because it looks like the little piece that actually you know That you re ball around the little pinprick as I would say actually installs inside the device. We don't have to worry about any sharp points or anything like that or find a cap to cover your shark point. It's nicely self contained and I I mean it's one of their rolling one time tools. They just like to set up machining for one thing. Find out how many people want it and make that many you know and they James machining safely. How they operate. That's a wonderful method because it brings a lot of things to market. That might not be able to and I don't fault them for all because it lets them gauge things and understanding how they make them with the machining and the level of waste they have in aluminum. That believe it or not doesn't end up square when the machine because it has some memory. I Wa complained about the expense of certain things that are so specialized that I'll never use I. I will never complain about the cost relative to what they invest in making these things like. It's a lot of work during them right. No for sure very. Yoon your special need that you we specific need tool but I thought it was kind of interesting. They use it. It's self contained. It's not gonNA poke to your pockets or or anything like that and I mean even the big one probably fits in the apron. It's seven inches long. Give or take so I mean it's not gigantic. Would it be fair to call it? The ILLINI pocket rule of Circle Jerks. Yes not knowing Leney and whether or not he would agree to that. But Yeah Yeah. I'm sorry I do not have the Pollini One. I have a DVD one. You're still the F not even talking to you head curious how much it was. The one ball is fifty bucks. That's probably about what repaid expensive. I have to only because I bought one for my dad for father's day before I give it to him so I kept and now nobody. Yeah Kyle your year off cheerleader. Because of the lack of antedates red handed is aluminum near shop. Damn I do have their angle gauge Do you know what all my woodpecker stuff. It matches my milwaukee stuff the red one got it and your Bessie clamps right. That's right and as I look at it I guess it is just the best The jets are read to the plastic cups. I use for mixing things in their red to. Oh Oh you know what they're they're solo so another thing to add in that actually was mentioned and I am just right off of the would talk episode. Most recently isn't too way before this episode comes out The and nothing. What was it? It was the the glue. It's a woodpecker. Snow knits a rottweiler. Glue Blue Brush. No like inside container like at the Square Container Square Ish Container. Oh holds like four to six ounces of square container. That's well it's silicone so it releases what has been white project Luna. Yeah some wonderful. Yeah I I I I heard of it and I looked it up and I'm like Oh that is really cool. 'cause I I'm mixing poxy doing this rocket stuff. I've been doing in in like wax cups like just like bathroom cups that for some reason we have them down here. And they're not Dixie cups their their whatever but they're fine and the Apache actually releases from I don't it's probably something bad. That mixing them in a Wax Lined Paper Cup. But I don't know oh by the way I just I just noticed here before we get off the subject too far is a pocket. Compass may had the small one back in twenty thirteen. Now they did for fifty bucks. Okay so large sixty twenty thirteen fifty bucks. Two thousand thirteen no inflation. It happens new ones coming the virus so you just wait hold on. I'm sorry the small one went up to seven inches in diameter Ryan Yes yes the this one back in twenty thirteen only six and a half. Oh so they've expanded it more material ten bucks more seven years later. It's well within sound marketing. We're good so anyway. So so are you talking about. Oh Yeah the Little Rock Glue Pot thing. Yeah I think that Interesting as a non disposable way of a mixing small batches of poxy. If you're doing little craft poxy or or even project glue where you're not. I'd I've never have you guys ever like poured out glue used it and then try to pour it back in Epoxy cures but yeah most glue. I I pour out of the bottle onto it. This is the Iraq ler silicone glue keeper this square thing. It's ten bucks. Yeah it's like it's it's super cheap. It's basic they. You know the guys on an on woodstock talked about seeing it workbench Khan and And it for ten bucks. I mean if it's that's cheaper than even the cheapest Cups Deal Mixing Cups. What's interesting is I do. user Glue brushes couple myself and Both the large ones in the in the small one and they just came out with some even smaller ones. And I'll pick those up and I noticed here in the pictures they rest neatly the container. So that's nice there you go. It's a debt. That's the thing I Dino sometimes silicone because I got some Silicone PADS is. Yeah the glue does release from bed. Doesn't always all released from it? You kind of have to watch it. Yeah I'm only using tight bond as I look at my shelf. Taipan one to entering. But I'm using pond in my silicone stuff and I have no problem just peeling it off to wash using primarily liquid. Hide Glue so you can see. It's not as it's not as clean You just heat it up. It'll it'll probably probably not wrong. Rework it yeah probably probably melt the glue pot or the be careful burke keever sorry Ebert Cheaper Hieber lined up for ten bucks. I'm I'm considering it. Could I ask a question and I don't mean to be spoilsport? Here doing these here. What's the shipping? Oh I don't know that that is. The products are not prohibitively expensive. They usually a good deal on but they're shipping. We live in a world where shipping costs are minimal because of monster corporations and they're not a monster corporation. I'm trying to be sympathetic to that. But they're shipping seems prohibitively expensive to go into Houston. So it's a big deal to me. I think is in Ohio. Oh and the nearest one to me is two and a half hours away from me in Ohio Better than ten. Yeah Yeah Yeah okay. Well Andy Card you proceed. It's probably one of those things where they appreciating for like purchases up to forty dollars in your at thirty two dollars. You can just throw this on there. I think there's an Amazon way of doing this says Amazon. Pay As an option at checkout. There's Betcha that show you can get married on Amazon. I know woodcrafts would just as expensive now. There is a woodcraft a mile from my autism. So I could definitely do that would craft in Rochester which is about nine hours away. Oh my God man you would think somewhere near you. There would be both a woodcraft. Rock layer there's tools for working wood which is only an hour and a half in Brooklyn. It's true that's an hour and a half way. Well it depends on the time of day but yeah after. Tom Got moved up to New York to help with Katrina. Which for those of you. Who Remember Katrina happened to us? In the fall and woodworking Katrina hit us on a Sunday into Monday and woodwork in America. Started that Thursday so I manage to go to woodworking America. I shared a room with Tom that year. He had his bag packed to go to New York. But then up flying back to Tampa before then two days later turning around and flying into New York to help with Katrina so the one in Winston Salem. No because I didn't go to Winston Salem it was we were in Kentucky Huntington But the reason I mentioned it is Tam was. He was helping in some department that he wasn't qualified for Tom's a wonderful guy. He's qualified in public relations very well. He wasn't in public relations. He was in like logistics. I forget what it was but he was complaining. Rightfully so about you know the fact that they took gold this team from Florida that was experienced in handling hurricanes and completely mismanaged them at central departments. They had no experience but anyway he was working like fourteen and sixteen hour days for most of the two weeks he was in New York. So it's like day four T it's ten at a fourteen something like that and he only worked twelve hour days so I drove into Brooklyn to pick them up and we hung out in the afternoon and we tried to go to tool for working wood and we got there like five minutes after they closed. We didn't get to go the story. So I'm sorry I've written about Hurricane Katrina coming tropical storm. Sandy though there wouldn't you're absolutely right could hit But it was better than saying no. You're actually right. I'm embarrassed to say that to realize that Jesus I was like what I think might be done. I might be talking. Yeah so yes sandy. Hit New York and Katrina hidden also specifically New Orleans So I I I'm done. I'm sorry it was a good story nonetheless. It was good it was good. I assure you all the facts were true except for the name of the store except for the name of the storm. Yep All right well she we move on Yes to to Neyla we've gone through piqued her interest in the shop. Sean I actually did a thing. Oh you do the thing I did. A thing is the most menial simple thing and I was totally unexpected But I did get used woodworking tools and I made dust and shavings in the process of recreating remaking a rotten piece of trim. The piece I was replacing was rotten. I wasn't making rotten piece Of Anyway I walk into work guy that I work with Says Oh hey here and he hands me a pine board and a painted piece of trim. He said this was in my closet. It's rotten you can make this right sure. I went Okay so it was cut to with and it was as tall as he wanted it. It was basically a one by six piece but and it had a simple. I think it's called. It's not even a village style like just a really fair curve on the top edge of just return so it's a simple curve anyway But I had to thin it down which I use a combination of cross cutting rip saw. But I got like my mocks vice out. I got my veritas out. I got my spoke shave out. I got a little hand playing out. I made a thing and it's probably going to be painted and put inside a closet and never seen the light of day. It was a piece of trim. I just made a piece of trim. Just like literally was a rectangle that I made thinner and rounded one top corner tastic and I think even posted on instagram might posted in the process of doing just that as much as I can. Hold the tool and take a picture. We were all hoping it was rocket parts. I know Raga Parts. No sorry no rocket parts. It was this was legitimate pine to be painted at a later date not in my house but it was fun. I haven't used my spoke. Shaven years criticized maximize me. Oh Yeah Yeah. I've got a I got that old bench crafted thing when they brought that out God How many years ago is that. Oh Ten plus years ago Janet. Yeah I've got a big old eight quarter ashes labs hold that bite together and Or using as the jaws advice and I love that thing. It's it's great to do exactly what I did was which was was like rip cutting something because you can cut right down through it from the from the side and I just put it up on my bench like front because it's not tightening go. It doesn't bind on the curve. Does it no no? It really doesn't And the way I was doing a piece of small enough and I was using essentially dovetails on so they've barely two inches below the the the back of the saw the spine of the saw So I I kind of treated a corner with a cross cut then flipped the corner and treated the next corner with across cut and then try to connect those lines with cross got saw but now that was a rip cut so I brought the rip saw to connect those and just the feeling of of something like that which is very small. I mean this thing was was like six inches long and four inches. Wide is very small piece of wood that I'm working on and so the cut and it's a small saw that I'm using too but the switch to a properly sharpened rip saw that you can tell it is a legitimate row of chisels going right straight across. It was awesome like it. Just it aid I never worried about. Wavering off my line and it was just perfect. An orange accurate might be that accurate and so yeah and so to prove that point. I basically took. I took a three quarter inch board and made it five eighths and had would have had a solid piece of wood that I cut off it and I gave that back to. My coworker said here. You don't need this but I want to show you that I can do this. That's what I took off. It was there you go fun there you go. I used woodworking tools. Would you did woodworking? I did woodworking. That's more carpentry. Is Kinda Term Carpentry? Is that because it wasn't putting any more than one piece together. It was just shaping one piece pieces of small talk. I said look honey I can. This is what I do I make would smaller A. She wasn't impressed. What's in your shop? let's see. I guess a released some new Videos with my boring Jake because I had the production model which differed from the one. I released videos for earlier so I still go. One more video to Put Out there upright either do that tonight or tomorrow but The old videos. Yeah Yeah Yeah once I get this last one. I'm going to take some of the ones that I had up there down. So yeah because the ones before with the quote unquote pre production model and then when I actually produced in my inc a couple of design things that made it just a little bit easier to To us and the little Angle Gauge Setup Block That I came up with. I found some improvements on calibrating that to each individual boring jake so that became more accurate. So mother videos were Kinda obsolete which makes sense You know and so So I did those videos and so I'm been released from our know about every other day so I have one last one to release but It's you know and one of the things I did. Include in these videos is that you can now use the boring jig to ream holes and I think I talked about that on the last episode looking for source where Rimmer so and I think I said I did reach out to Lee Valley while I heard back from them and they're not taking any special orders but I was also disappointed that they were they were really forthcoming with. Tell me Yeah. We don't make to sir cells. There's another company makes but I couldn't get them to Tell me who that company was. Yeah I'm sure. He said it was overseas. I'm sure it's a Mate somewhere over in China and so I've been looking for local sources Quickly found out. I do not need a machinist needs one it grinds because something needs to be ground but I keep getting Getting some roadblocks here and there about people you know wants to tell them what I want like now. I don't work with high carbon steel. No I don't work with high carbon steel so I need to find somebody that works with our carbon steel. So still some more folks need to reach out to but I'll eventually find a source for easiest one guy local that Yeah I think I'm going to have some success with but he's just the kind of thing where users could provide their own rework. Do you need to sell the rumor with it as civic that it needs to fit properly or fit with the JIG I bought? Well the valley rumors at Twelve degrees included angle so each side is six degrees of the cone. Let's say so Most in other chair makers utilize that Roemer. There's some chair makers that utilize eleven degrees and honorary. Well it's something that My Dunbar You know the winds were instituted. Really Started Teaching Windsor chairs on twenty twenty twenty five years England. He is ornery and he started with the eleven degree Reamer but then most chair makers I know like your Peter Galbraith Carter's Buchanon Elia bizarre and they all use Six degrees warmer so three degrees outside in most of the people I know us six degree rumors. And those are the ones that you can buy from Elliot and Tim Manny. You know the wooden hand remorse and they're really nice so But to use this boring jake to Tarim holes or really need a medal. Rumor that can be used under drill. So that's the reason and the reason for me having been built at the six degrees is 'cause Used to that's what everyone has probably may be already have ten cutters for their legs six degrees. So you WanNa follow all that so so I just need to find a source and I've had a lot of DM's from folks going. Let me news. Soon as you find a source you know because a lot of people are using these These handwriting Merson. They're made out of These wouldn't Henry Merson rebate out of various materials. Maple instead of smart woods but they can still be somewhat problematic. When you're trying to reema a hardwood like an oak or something like that rather than you know your standard pine or poplar itself is still just a handle. We're talking about you know the whole machine. The whole rimmer is wooden. Has the blade in as a blatant. Yeah Yeah so. It's got a slot in the cone section. What they with the blade in there so yeah so you know I'm I'm still looking at Got A I got some. I got some folks need to follow up with And reach out to you so committed on finding one but it's just not finding a source for that. It's just not as quick as I thought it was going to be. So yeah I may have to be one of those guys that you know may have to do this up in In cat he'll probably send it over to you sean. It's Look Right. I think this is the. Is this the Andy Klein way of doing it? And it's like nobody makes it so I'm GonNa get myself pretty much so you know and I may have to reach out to some some of these Some of these offshore sources and see if they can make something but We'll see how that goes but on a brighter note which I post about on. Instagram is my stare at Combo Square so I think a post about hey. I found out that my twelve inch stare. Combo Square was out square. Wouldn't squaring more and I'd heard too. You know you could file down the little tabs to bring it back in square better. Really didn't want to do that. And so I reached out to a start and the guy asked me you know common issues. Hey you make sure nothing stuck in there and you know all that stuff instead. Yeah nothing stuck in there. It's never been dropped. You know stuff like that. So it's like we'll send the head back to me so I did and Within three days I got the head back perfectly fixed ready to go and I I thought they just replaced the head with the new one I finally looked in there went now. That's dirt that was probably there before so I'm pretty sure this is my head but they definitely polished it up a little bit. So we're we're we're charge except for the shipping whereas staring where learn send that? Oh you would ask me until weird. Name it's northeast. It's in the Boston Northeast. Okay Yeah let's see. I'm just curious because a three day turnaround is pretty good because you presume it to a day there. Yeah well I mean once they got it it was even so that Yeah I mean what I'm saying is it didn't said on the show for anything like the LS start companies headquartered in Alpha Massachusetts. Yep Okay I knew his name name but yeah for I don't know cost me six six bucks or some dissenters up there but yeah so big shoutout to them for you. Know that's excellent customer service and when they send it back guy included a bunch of cool stickers as well as some like apron sized Charts for a taps and stuff so I mean that's what they are as as much as woodworkers love that company. That is a machinist machinist true and true -Chusetts sure historically when you think about like the last century Massachusetts was the foundation of machinery in machining in the country. Okay New England was quite frankly but it's the heart of New England. Yeah and he didn't know whether I use it for metalworking woodworking her whatnot so yeah so so. Yeah so big shot to them. So that's great so I need to buy more stuff from you've earned by business sir. Business no I do have too many things from them but anyway on another note since I have been making these These demo videos I've had to make a number of C. blanks to drill out currently at four see planks that are fully drilled out and so. I needed turn these. He blinks into chairs so. I've been contemplating that and think it was Saturday. on Instagram Windsor chairs by Dan. Dan posted out there that. And he's a Windsor Chair maker out of Maine and he posted that he was selling spindles and I you know fully roughed out ready to do the fun part. Which is you know. Turn them around and shaping them so they're fully roughed out in talk tugging all shape and it's like how much you want form was. How would you need a win? Thirty BUCKS APIECE. Free Shipping. I went sold for one hundred fifty bucks. I got I spindles arrived yesterday. Great condition and and It was great so you know thirty five bucks. A CHIRP for spindles can be that that sounds fantastic. But let me ask you there for main part of the country. You're you're both very humid environments. Are they okay? To have a warped they move. No no no You know there cut up on the grain so none of them are GONNA be dead straight but will be a few that that'll go in one direction or another. That's just part of the business because our cut along the grain unnecessarily to be straight but to be even with the grain parallel with the grain. So yeah there they ran. They came in fantastic condition so radio. Yeah so Anita need to reserve some time on the Shave Horse and get busy and speaking of building these shares have been thinking about a new fixture for my bench Kind of like a poor man's high by I guess really. Yes I've been thinking now for chair making what I do when I'm saddling the seat and I think I saw Chris wars do. This is a basically a two by four. And a screw it to the underside of your seat and I do it between the two front leg holes and then use that in a bias to secure the sea and that works great But I would like know when you do that on a bench rise especially your your front buys. It's Kinda hard to get around. All three sides of the chair seat so to speak. So what I'm thinking about doing is building a small auxiliary bench. They will attach to the top of my current dench in on the end of it. Have a quick release vice which. I happen to have just sitting around doing nothing. Small quick release vice so thinking about just Putting something together probably at a two by four you know just like you would have benchtop laminates to outdoors on edge. are Faced with the edge up eliminate enough of those to Go across my One End of my bench which you know my benches in two different sections and each section is about eleven and a half inches wide so For one of those sections and then stick out enough To put that Buys on and they're not can use that to be able to secure the chair and it'll be a little higher which will be a little bit more. Ergonomic should be able to get around all sides of the like and should be able to. Do you know secure the actually blank in the seats to carve the underside a hand of the Seton Hall Types of uses. You would do for that while a concern is if you pull into hard with draw nigh when you're trying to like put a champ for on the underside of seat. Is that going to be two four out to kind of cantilever the bench. So that's only concern. I have right now but you make enough seats or went once. You're what you have the Jamaican under control and you return to seats. You make enough chairs that a full new hire bench is worthy as opposed to a picture that fits on your bench. Well Yeah I'm sure I was thinking about the picture fit on. My bench would never be moved once it gets on there but Yeah I have thought about doing an entire separate bench just for doing saddling seats backed. Curtis Buchanan has plans for that type of bench and Out there They're free if memory serves correct on his website but I'm sort of running out of space. My shop for something like that. I know I don't need another extra bench so you know yeah I know I know I know I do like to walk around occasionally in my shop and pace back and forth so that would cut into that space but So I thought I'd just try this out and see how it works and might be something I'll share out there if if it does work so that anyone that has one of those split top. Rubio's or Those type of benches in my work form appreciate that kind of fixture like as we're doing this. I'm looking longingly at my carving bench. Which has a vice attached to the front of it? And it's the toll. Small Bench like the bright dovetail bench set Shannon made years and years ago and I think I probably got about three months use out of it before it got buried behind his entertainment center that it's still hidden behind. It was just such a joy to used for carving right. It's so yes you should make. You should make a bench fixture though there's probably marketable you're right there but for your own use. Make A standalone taller bench. You'll fit it in somewhere you'll love it. Yeah Yeah I'll probably end up there but I was just new Linden. But Ben let me try this. No this is nothing I would sell her or or sell plans for might be so much. Share out there and go. Hey here's what I did and see if it works so but with that Diani what's in your shop shop. Listeners will find it hard to believe. But I have the Milwaukee. Mt Fuel three eighths inch installation Jill driver in my shop. I know compared to the festival drills. It's better worth buying hold on. No let me go get my you keep talking. I'm going to go get my My boss rolls and we can put yourself okay right back and I am as we share before I'm not going to rehash it but I'm mediocre Lee impressed by its but I will admit that for the last hour. It's been fun to play with him. My hands while we're talking and for anyone who checks the Mater Woodworks Association Story. You can see how the grip works and the offset head. But that's unfortunately that's about all that's been going on in my shop. I used it to fix. Some flagpole stands recently and that's the extent of my recent woodworking but that's all being said Kyle. I believe in your shop or perhaps in the kitchen above your shop you have some Texas spring water. I do that. That's my beverage of choice today. Texas Spring Water So we have A. We have been bent to go tomorrow so I didn't really want to Blow up anything but we're still like fifty fifty or whether we're going to go to this event so well it's kind of a little It's the Little Saint Patrick's Day get together. That was planned. And we're still debating whether we're GONNA go or not based on yourself but I decided if we do decide to go then you know. I figured I'd just do my drinking tomorrow fair enough you're able to enjoy yourself endemic free. Yes yes oh what. Oh that is funny. Is You know I was thinking about this? The other day is with. The pandemic woodworkers are readily prepared for this. We do most of us. Have the respirator with the one hundred filters and gloves. And you know Turner's got the full face mask so I was thinking about if I do go tomorrow. Showing up wearing a respirator and gloves. Sure the respirator at least breathing. Your crap air. That's right. No No. We're as podcasters. We are also uniquely outfitted to not be in close contact with each other as we had this conversation. Yes the we are free of transferring anything we may be carrying. I know. Is it Pretty Fancy Mike. It might transmit. I think I'd say Mike I have an eighteen or twenty one hundred. I've got an. At are something. I I know we both have. Etr Sean how easily a higher number? It must be better than it must be bad. Remember Anyway yes. I haven't rode cast appro. I don't well. Well ask since you don't have a road Castro Sean. To at least have a beer. You drink do so. This was a little bit of looking forward to getting the hell out of town for spring break next week. Hopefully should the world not closed down in the next eight days? Where you're going down in Florida. Oh here in Florida outside of Fort Meyers okay because cigar cities from Tampa. And I was GONNA say if you're actually going to Tampa you need to give Tom Hogan and contaminated. No but I do have rough plans right now to go to Tampa in November. Oh may look Tom at that point. Although I'm going with my wife and friends without kids so alone time might be more. Tom Has met my wife. It's okay okay. Other many ways I take a sip of it the Picked up as you alluded to Cigar City Brewing Company which oddly is available in northwest Ohio in winter like they I think so But this is the the the Guevara Citra Pail so sits hops right in it and really nice You know not not not an ip by any means it's just a pale. It's got a little bit of that citra flavor to it. It's really really good. Excellent Heady topper boy as you have alluded to. I am drinking what I would consider to be the the Og of Dank Beers. It is the alchemist. Heady topper as best. I am aware is only available in Vermont. It's good it's very good. It's not great but it is very good And it is as far as I'm concerned. The definition of a Dank New England. Ipa It is. It is the New England and it's wonderful And I have friends who were in Vermont a couple weeks ago and I've actually been in Vermont since then but I wasn't able to pick me up but they brought some back for me and it was wonderful so Drinking the last of them And it's it's just the life I would highly recommend if any was not sure what we mean. When referring to a Dank New England I get yourself some alchemists specifically the heady topper and you will know this is the definition of that so I have to. I've never had that. But there is a Michigan brewery that on its escaping the there is one version. That's an m forty three and they have a double that something else. And that is the Dan. I've had ever Jordan. Because I've not had that you've had this so I don't really care them to each other But all the more reason for you to come to find woodworking live twenty twenty one. That's right mark your calendars now should should. We'll see if my marathon doesn't get postponed till then you could run all the way to good. I guess I am so sorry when I stepped away. I I got that drill in that grill. Go that's similar but mines in eighteen. Volt some both of these are eighteen votes but this one is the old Bosh Brute. Eighteen volt can you hear how tired that is? It's sleepy and and this is this is actually the impacter little much smaller grip by the way. The handles are completely different between the two tools. But that's a that's a twisted. My Hand High Torque little Little jobbies listeners. That was Milwaukee twelve tower. And you know what I like. I said I push it with my index finger to go forward thumb to go Yup Mike. God intended check out the the. Mata Woodworkers Association instagram story where I showed the push button on the top of this one and the light in the fluorescent lit garage right now is easily visible but I promise you. It is not visible in daylight. Is that the one that my wife liked it could be. It was a story and I didn't see notification from her. Oh maybe stories you posted a video of your your your scroll saw. No no in your the commenting about the microphones. Yes that was. That was my pre podcast huber. There you go. I'll listen to that later. All I can say good taste there. You go when I was when you were posting that I was picking up pizza actually. We're trying to figure out dinner there. You go yeah me too late. Holy Crap Diabe. I got home from work. I Fed my children. I took care of them and I cannot hear that podcast. Yeah I was in. The shop came up and went. Oh crap and apple and a muffin and that's probably why I'm so punchy and I'm on my fourth beer how about you. I'm only on my second second water for me that with all that fun information for the listeners Working folks find you on the interwebs Diani. Well I can be found at penultimate WOODSHOP DOT com. I can be found at the park on twitter. Allegedly according to this In the show notes you can find me on facebook. You can find me Panova which hop on instagram. Find me a beer on untapped and two hours and five minutes into the podcast. You can find me talking about where you saw sean. How are you Oh I'm Ashley. W Seventy eight or just. Shawna eight on most social medias including untapped and instagram. So you can find me there kyle. How about you? Well you can always find me. Bart Dog Colin Instagram. The only social media platform and that just about wraps up this show. If you haven't already please subscribe to this show on the Pod catcher of your choice just search for the Workers Association there. You'll never miss any of our exciting episodes like this one while you're there. Please leave us a review if you're listening to US odds are you're subscribed if you're one of the people who are listening without subscribing. Get off your butt and subscribe police but assuming you're one of the people who have subscribed you know another woodworker in person. Maybe only one depending on where you are. You don't have a local guild. It's rather Isolating and Solitary Hobby but talk to the other guy you know or the Galliano or the youth you know and tell them to subscribe please because what could be better than two hours six minutes and forty two seconds of us just kind of meandering about our interpersonal relationships and power tools So all that being said Kyle. I'm lost this is really terrible. I apologize you're lost. You're done did you. Did you give your you did community? So you did outgoing thing. Yes so then our done cut all this out and I will simply end with the fact that one of the least appreciated cordless power tools is the cordless heat gun which if all you do is make rectangular furniture you will find no use for but if you use a poxy or die or like to shape plastic parts the cordless He'd gun is a really cool tool and since it doesn't have to connect to a vacuum makes complete sense. The only cordless tool in my shop drill.

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Crypto Crabs

The Trader Cobb Crypto Podcast

08:55 min | 1 year ago

Crypto Crabs

"London listen up we will be with you taking a checklist by trading strategies on the back of the say say form October twelve at the Queen Elizabeth Conference Prince Center. If you want to learn these trick was based trading strategies that employ for quite some time you. WanNa learn it in person. Get yourself booked. Now we have thousands of people let's say say form and the event will sell out quickly from there we move on to Malta on the ninth of November. It'll be at the Intercontinental Hotel in multiple also backing talking on to the back of an event which Mulbah and blockchain summit a guy thousands of people expected to get you'll quickly for multi straight across the pond a Singaporean fool November sixteen at Marina Bay sands another event we attacking onto the end of which is called block show again this thousands of people so if you WANNA come along get in there quick finally back in Sydney on the twenty third and twenty fourth at the Ridges World Squares with be London Malta Singapore unique to get yourself along to these events. If you WANNA learn the Chiklis based training to use daily very simple stuff guys go to try to call dot com forward slash global and book your spot right now. Get I get I and how you doing account remember the rest of that. Have you having a good morning. BITCOIN is up six six percent. That would be nice. Would it's it's eight eight thousand three hundred ninety one dollars zero point six percent you know let me tell you something. Let me tell you something important. I've been your ear holes because if we break up this'll be the next shot through eight thousand five hundred and thirty s happen. We will have four uptrend in full. This young man hit ninety stretching the truth and the young bit will be looking salons why we'll have a train on the four hour now. Of course we do have to be a very aware that nine thousand is not far away if we ought to break up through them but you know what that's okay with me. I don't really mind I'll be looking for opportunities. We do still have daily down on not getting too far ahead of myself here but I'll be very open to sing if there are opportunities for me to try long now. It's not just bitcoin. That's giving me some raising to be out and I met a little more alert the tried today because it's also a Therrien a hundred and eighty one dollars and nineteen cents up two point seven one percent and look at how to priests solid run back after it's fairly significant full the full itself from the high of twenty full to Zillow oh of one fifty three. It's a thirty one percent decline and happened pretty much mostly in one day of course since that low to muscle racing high walls is recovered twenty-one percent now. The reason that's worthwhile bring up is that Bitcoin has not done that to give you some perspective evolved from where Bitcoins Lois. Two bitcoins highs off of the race in full. It's only recovered ten percent in the same respect over the same period of time on on the decline it did full twenty six percent so the declines will roughly the same but the recovery thus far has been certainly dominated by that of the theory theory and it does have a much better trend again from May one thousand four fi resistance coming back quite some time running through one at four fifty two Teijin look if we can get a heads above what's that level at six fifty six we can get ahead above that region than let us show 'em much more interested in looking for long as we still have two hundred above as well don't forget that that number is it has acted as some support and resistance instance in the past so theory hub you say big data the theory of his back into trading rooms a US up two point two percent of three dollars and one one-sentence goodness gracious hanging around three to Lamach names to break that radio mock the highs three thousand thirteen that needs to be broken to put into food up trending more interested still women's pretty uninspired as per usual. The high needs to brag is six point two nine cents. I have that uptrend but it's it just meanders so much as just is literally a sand crab just wondering long bottom looking for its might there's real murky down there and it can't find anything and it's it's. It's it's. GonNa call's nostrils. Blocked can't smell anything seen and it's just wondering around really really lonely. That is what Stella is in the Crab willed a lonely lonely crab with a cold on speaking absolute gibberish but it's beautiful die here and I just really really positive I feel fantastic and that's why you get these weeds stuff coming out of my mouth. I make no apologies and I accept except pay is next week bounced off twenty four of course twenty four cents point and look. We do have some resistance to twenty six five. There is no doubt about it. He's got what a strong level two and then we got twenty five so i WanNa say push through twenty six five and then mockingly charity to bounce take off of that region of twenty six five with a boost order a cradle the twenty five as a significant little resistance there on the dial keeping an eye on it but not likely I think they're for made today. It's up one point nine. Six percent Zimbabwe's still has actually up a percent to lock coin. It's being you know crab lightly to the high fifty seven ninety two is waiting for we break above of they will broken little consolidation that has formed that online coin. It's not a consolidation strong enough for me to be trading thirty two but if we ought to break up through their game we'll have another one of these top ten tokens pushing on a to a mid term timeframe old the four hours talking about uptrend and for me that would make let me happy count at fifty six fifty six one point three five percent bitcoin cash is next to father. He seeks it's up and the level it needs to break up through his two thirty seven forty seven mm-hmm. It's very solid wise. Bonnets is looking pretty average across most of the timeframes rotten four out of the level it needs to break out through sixteen twenty but still quad long way to go and Bitcoin is actually only one of the top ten its down point to either percent right now. Fifteen dollars eighty one tron is at one point four cents up two point six to eight percent cow dot was three point nine cents up three point two one percent the reasonable resistance coming here on Katana Around Bang on that full sent mock potentially potential for breakout is there a USD on cracking usually now. It's just a little bit of contract but certainly nonsmoking shot keeping a very close close on out of three or four cents. We actually move here. It's out three point. Two percent of moment a gun at finally be as five dollars and seventeen cents up to six percent not really inspiring at all as the top ten has options if we do see this continuation to the I'm hoping to say that I'd love to see that Mega Soul Hollywood because do you have a fantastic day dot for to get to if you are in London the surrounding areas we've got the event coming up on the twelfth of October consorting with a safe form which is going to have Norio Rabeni finding it out hunching will the I. I'm not quite sure how angry onstage with Russia verse so that's going to be pretty unreal essay looking forward to that. Get your spot that you tickets and get across the tried to club dot com slash global to get along to these events also if you're not like guys this weekend flying tomorrow a fly to Adelaide tomorrow never been. I'd like before heard good things about a hub. It's awesome warm because it's picture perfect sunny died here in Sydney. If you haven't got ticket you WANNA come along. Just go to the website. You'll see what to do. You get a good steak off now London. Listen up way we'll be with you taking a checklist buys trading strategies on the back of the CC form October twelve at the Queen Elizabeth Conference Center. If you want to learn these trick was is based trading strategies that for quite some time you Wanna learn it in person. Get your self booked. Now we have thousands of people at the form and the event will sell out quickly from there we move on to Malta on the ninth of November. That'll be at the Intercontinental Hotel in Malta also backing onto the back of an event which is multi multi and blockchain agai thousands of people expected to get your quick leap from Malta straight across the pond Singapore November sixteen at Marina Bay Sands Lance another event. We're tacking onto the which is called block. Show a gain this thousands of people so if you WANNA come along get in there quick and finally back in Sydney on the twenty third and twenty fourth at the Ridges World squares guys whether it'd be London Malta Singapore unique to get yourself along to these events if you learn the checklist by training that all employees news daily a very simple stuff glasgow dot com forward slash global and book your spot right now.

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COVID-19 Ch 11: Modeling

This Podcast Will Kill You

1:23:00 hr | 7 months ago

COVID-19 Ch 11: Modeling

"This is exactly rain so when the word came down that audience venues were being shut down for the foreseeable future that was a real blower a big part of my job as an operatic soprano or at least that part of it that I actually get paid for is crowds both the audience and on stage with my colleagues but now a year that looked at least eventful is suddenly joust empty. Ironically wiped clean by this tiny organism contracts full through and that's obviously really stressful financially but also performing as big pot of how I define myself so it's not being mentally either. What has extra stress to this. Is that in any aunt? Foam that requires your body. It is by its very nature time bound. I will never sound exactly like I do right now ever again and usually that is fine because it just is what it is that's just aging but this is an unspecified period of time of not being able to do what. I've trained to twenty years now than not knowing when I get to do that. Again is a really big pot of how stressful that Spain. It's a really scary concept that when you tell time bounty you really can't afford to waste a year but putting all of that aside. Let's take a look basic essentials here in Australia L. Opera companies and concerts gently move to a festival schedule. That is to say we don't really have any set groups of autos soap operas. We don't hire to a regular SCHEMA. There's no operas guaranteed to see staged. We run off individual contracts and the flavor of the season. What is boils down to in practicality is a system where you have heaps a variety for the audience but no real stability for the artists who will hide specifically for each opera one year. You might be exactly the sound everyone wants and you get so much work that you barely go a month without learning any like something you and the next year they a completely different sound and you get nothing and it's not like you can change voice to fit with a one. It's your voice. It's is literally part of your body. Which side night is terrifying in the face of a virus especially a respiratory virus? Because we don't have a clear idea of what he g holds. We don't have a steady report on earnings. And that means we don't qualify for any income protection that government affords us through our welfare system. It really does feel like the government just straight up. Does Not Care about us at this point and while we as Ozzie. Artists are kind of used to that. It doesn't make hurt any less but there is a silver lining And that is ons community. A we are incredibly resilient and where usually pretty positive we pull together and what friendships. We have of really forged in the fire of adrenaline. I'm actually part of a group of artists that's dedicated to upskilling while we're out of work we figure we may as well use the time that we have Each day one of US teaches the rest of the skill that we found useful interesting from different crafts to kind of channel. Those creative needs to mental health strategies for dealing with this weird turmoil that we've been thrust into its really helps to take the edge off the stress that comes with keeping practice without knowing what do keeping in practice fool or if there's even anything to keep in practice full and keeping in touch with people who are in the same boat really does help reassure you that there is a shore somewhere that the end of all this. The final We just keep ourselves. We help our communities whenever we can And you know maybe we post some every now and then two shy people that we all still have the capacity fool and then we just told on. I'm a social worker in a large county in Ohio working in child welfare assessments or commonly known as child protective services. I am the one that goes out to investigate. Allegations of abuse and or neglect. I've been doing this job for about a year and a half. I'm originally from Mexico City and ironically enough. I lived through the H. N. One outbreak during my senior year of high school. Three weeks of vacation later life went on unlike our current situation. We are technically working from home now. Which means I do all my paperwork at home but I still have fieldwork. My days are unpredictable. We never know what kind of cases we're going to get ahead of time and we either respond to cases face to face within twenty four hours seventy two hours the same day or in emergencies in one hour as you can imagine. People are not typically happy to see me knock on their door and tell them they have a case open with our agency and that there is alleged maltreatment add to that already stressful situation of stranger showing up at their door asking to come into their home during a pandemic. A lot of these homes are in areas of subsidized housing. Where space is limited making social distancing extremely difficult. It's very rare. I am actually able to maintain six feet of distance between people. I have to get a full tour of the home especially when there are allegations of hazardous home conditions so interviewing people on the front porch isn't always an option in the worst case scenario where I have to remove a child from a home that child and whatever belongings. They have come in my car. Sometimes I respond to hospitals and I am interviewing people in hospital rooms where it's also hard to maintain six feet of distance especially if there are providers in the room as well. I'm supposed to ask every family before I go into their home if anyone has experienced a fever a cough or has been exposed to Kobe. Nineteen however even if they say yes. I cannot leave a child in a home until I have fully assessed the family and the home and determined that the child is safe. I've had families tell me that their friend or neighbor tested positive and I have to continue my assessment and just hope for the best. I wear mass have hand sanitizer and wash my hands as much as I can. But that's difficult when you're driving from house to house and don't have anywhere to stop the scariest part. Is that the number of reports of child. Abuse or neglect have significantly decreased. Children are not interacting with mandated reporters and disclosing. What is going on at home? A lot of these children do not have access to technology and cannot check in with their providers even over the phone or on the Internet for children that are in the custody of the county visitations with their parents is held over video conferencing available to both the parents and foster parents. This is less than ideal. But it's the best we can do while following stay at home. Orders and social distancing guidelines court dates have been postponed over and over again and the only hearings being held. Are Those where we have requested. Emergency custody of a child who is an imminent risk of harm? This means that the cases that are already open and trying to go through all court proceedings to either reunify with their child or terminate. Parental rights are at a standstill. These cases will remain open much longer than usual on a personal level. I've always had helpings. -IETY in generalized anxiety. Which are at peak level since this outbreak. I have to try to set it aside while I do my job but it has become increasingly difficult. We aren't hiring more people because they have not figured out how to train people from afar as shadowing is a huge part of training as you can imagine. This job has an extremely high turnover rate and we always need more people to make matters worse. My husband has severe asthma and I'm constantly afraid I'll bring the virus home to him. My coworkers and I have all accepted that we are likely going to come in contact with the virus in get sick. It's just a matter of when my name is Dr Morgan Lenzi. I'm a small animal veterinarian. Marion in Houston Texas. The clinic I currently work as a high volume general practice. Meaning we see anything firm routine. Wellness care to emergencies. In early February. We were pretty concerned about our ability to get personal protective equipment. Or P P. A general practitioners. We do quite a bit of surgery and we use gloves masks. Couns etcetera The veterinarians and some of the veterinary nurses at our job began to order cloth masks in anticipation of not being able to get disposable ones and then when Cova nineteen hit the US pretty hard veterinarians were called to donate as much of our disposable PP as we could to the human doctors on the front lines. Of course this was something we were happy and willing to do. But that meant we had to be very conscious about how we were using our PB. One other way veterinarians were asked to help was to donate are ventilators. So our clinic. is a general practice. We don't have a ventilator but a lot of the specialty care facilities in certain States Colorado New York. I think even Michigan Have donated their ventilators human hospitals for their use so we were called as a profession to try and delay elect to procedures if we were able to and that included vaccinating pets. But I think one of the biggest debates that I've seen in our profession is what we consider elective so many of the vaccines dogs and cats receive in my mind are considered a central dogs and cats are required to be vaccinated for rabies by law. And they're required to keep this vaccine up to date The other thought was you know dogs and Texas. Her highly recommended to get the leptospirosis vaccine every year as well. If we stopped vaccinating for this we see more cases of Leptospirosis and people. Veterinarians are definitely at the front lines. When it comes to keeping people safe from zoonotic diseases and I really can't imagine what would happen if we had another outbreak like rabies. Lepto on top of this current pandemic. The biggest change for US started in the middle of March. At that time we moved to curbside service. Only this meant that. The veterinarian says would collect history for the pet over the phone from the owner got to the parking lot retrieve the pet from the car and then once the pets inside. I do my physical exam and then call the owner with my treatment plan to address any questions they may have I. This was really nice. I mean most veterinarians are introverts and engaging in small talk with clients. All Day was exhausting. Being able to get on the phone and get to the point quickly was sort of. Nice however almost six weeks into this thing. I'm realizing that the small talk really helped me to break up some of the hard conversations I had to have throughout the day. Additionally it's hard to know if the owner is understanding what I'm diagnosing their pet or the treatment plan for their pet over the phone. I rely so much on body language to understand my clients and I'm sorely missing that right now. One of the most difficult parts of all this has been euthanasia's when an owner brings in their pet for euthanasia. I can't hug them or comfort them. In the ways that I usually would We stand six feet away from the owner saying goodbye to their pet and deliver the drugs through a very long extension set which makes this process much more clinical than it used to be the thing I worry about. The most is the human doctors on our frontlines. That have been hit the hardest as a veterinarian. I'm accustomed to making just tough decisions that could potentially lead to a pet stuff It's hard enough to lose a patient when you've done everything in your power to save them. Though in your resources are low. You're overwhelmed and you have to make difficult decisions about who gets a hospital bed and who needs to go home. That takes a huge toll to all the doctors out there. Just no veterans are rooting for you. And if you need a shoulder to cry on. We're here for you at first. It seemed so far away. Something we just heard about but that couldn't touch us. The first confirmed death was in Everett. Not far from where our funeral home is. I remember the day in January when we heard of this case as a funeral director myself and my co workers are very cautious of emerging disease as we deal directly with the dead and in facilities or homes of those people where their loved ones or staff may also be infected. It still didn't seem real or plausible that our daily lives would change. The situation has blown up in day. As you all know as of today May I twenty twenty Washington has had eight hundred one deaths from cove it every day we receive notification of new deaths and as we are one of the largest firms in Seattle we have received several hundred of these cases. I have completely lost count of the Cova cases. That are now under my purview. One of the most heartbreaking things I've witnessed is not only the death toll but the families directly impacted in many ways by this when impact comes from the risk of exposure to the disease itself to people living with or around the person who died when I call families who have had a loss to set up the next steps for them. They're often grieving but now they can't even come to meet with us. They themselves are often on quarantine and must stay alone for two weeks before they can even begin to process their grief. People need hugs and shoulders to cry on when they have a loss and no one can offer that right now. We were the ones that did that. And now out of fear for our own safety neither can we. The second impact on these families came when the governor issued the stay at home order the original order that came. Mid-march brought out funerals or gatherings. Completely families were devastated. We began to panic. Not just because of the loss of the healing capacity that a funeral can bring a lot of people but the religious aspect and belief systems that some cultures have some cultures have certain traditions or ceremonies. That must happen. For a person's soul to pass into the next realm. It was within a week that the governor revised this restriction the massive implications on People's mental health were petitioned by people in funeral homes churches and the general public and the mandate was quickly repealed. It was finally settled upon by the end of March that we would be allowed to hold a gathering was attended by immediate family. Only the definition of immediate family was left up to the families themselves. Some are small. Some are very large. Some relationships extend beyond blood and that was not something we were able to determine ourselves. Things look so very different. It's not just the Cova deaths. People are still dying from suicide murder. Drug overdoses and accidents. Those families that have been thrown into a tragic loss. Also have to navigate this new system of grieving without a hug. And it's awful to watch. We are out of P E. We are considered second level in need for P. P. so trying to get masks and gloves is a challenge. We ordered them. They are on back order. They never arrive. We have to clean the whole facility. After a funeral the scarcity of disinfectants was rough. It's gotten better but for a time. It did not feel safe last week. Seattle area funeral homes ran out of the specialty bodybags we use for Cova cases. They're known as disaster pouches and there extra protective leak proof and impermeable to pathogen and molecular travel. This seems to be the very basic level. If P p. e. that we are no longer able to accommodate. We use now three regular bags and do the best we can never in my career. Did I think I would see the FEMA refrigerated body trailers? I remember the day about two weeks ago when I saw my first. We have to now and they are full at about forty bodies each not to mention our internal cooler which holds several hundred bodies. I live in a home with children and immuno-compromised people every day I am terrified at what might bring home the time it takes to clean and sanitize daily is unreal the consistent stress of trying to do my job be a mother and wife and keep myself protected is immense. I cry or nearly cry every day. Either on my way to work or on the way home I cannot express in words how exhausted and emotionally drained my co workers and I am I know we all love what we do and helping people navigate the worst day of someone's life but we all need this to be over as soon as possible. I love helping families making a grieving widow smile facilitating chance to say goodbye. I feel essential. People need me. I stand in the back at funeral services for immediate family. Were families take off their masks to hug and cry on each other's shoulders. That's what people do at funerals. Little Comfort is found from gays from a masked face at six feet away. No no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no Wow Wow those firsthand accounts like wow just so so phenomenal. Thank you every one for sending those in. We really appreciate everyone of you. That has taken the time to fill out the form and to send us your stories there. It's incredible to get to hear stories from so many different people right now. Yeah it really is thank you thank you. We very much appreciate it. Hi I'm Aaron Welsh and I'm Aaron Almond Updike and this is this podcast will kill you. Welcome to the Eleventh Episode Eleven. I can't believe it I'm shocked. I'd I don't know how we've done this quite honestly I don't know it's all a blur aired all a blur. This is our enemy of a pandemic series on Cova nineteen this week. We're diving into a topic that has generated a ton of headlines and has influenced decisions that have impacted billions of people around the world. That is math modeling of infectious disease. Let's hear it for math. Clap Clap. Clap format this. Might be the one episode. I convinced my brother. Listen to. How long will this pandemic go on? I don't know how bad is it going to get great question. How can we slow it down? Would love to know that. And how can we even begin to address those questions? Let me guess the answer at least for that question is math math. Surprise the rise in this episode we want to lay a groundwork for understanding what mathematical models of infectious disease. Actually look like where they get the data that they use what current models of covert nineteen are being used for and most importantly how we can actually evaluate these headline making models. That is very important. Yeah it's I'm very excited and to walk us through. The wonderful world of math models is Mike lowry senior research scientist at the Institute for Disease Modeling. He did such a fantastic job of breaking down these complex topics and were so very excited to share his interview with you but before we do that. It's quarantined time. Oh yeah anytime baby. What are we drinking today? Erin Oh you know quarantine eleven correspondingly worse vic sense in but what's in quarantine eleven? That's what we really want to know the key question it's basically a Manhattan. I approve. I mean listen to its quarantine times. Okay we're not going to get too fancy. Na Na NA It's delicious it's simple. We will post the full recipe for this quarantine and are Non Alcoholic Placebo Rita on our website and over social media channels. So you can figure out how we make a Manhattan Non Alcoholic if you follow US okay. Now that that's out of the way we do still have a few more pieces of business to tend to. We received some feedback from our last episode in this series which was on education and that episode primarily focused on the impact that cove in nineteen has had on schools in the US and we want to share a few of these responses with you. The first email excerpt comes from someone who wanted to clarify a point of discussion in the education episode where we talked about equity in schools particularly highlighting the long history of racism and disparity in Education for native Americans in this country. So I'll read you part of that email near the beginning of the interview the substantial and historically entrenched disparities in public education in our country were casually dismissed as a native American whose mothers struggled with boarding school abuse and the traumatic scars of Education Racism for most of her life. This was distressing to hear alarming structural disparities exist at all levels of Public School Education for Poor Black. Latin X and native American students in both urban and rural context. Furthermore data about these disparities have been collected and widely reported on for more than one hundred twenty years since W. E. B. Dubois began publishing his sociological work at the turn of the twentieth century. Yes Yep great excellent points thank you for sending setting aside email And then the second email comes from a Finnish journalist who wanted to provide a more nuanced picture of the impact of this pandemic on Finnish schools. The social security net is undoubtedly more advanced than the American. But the fact is that also in the Finnish. Society Corona Pandemic has brought societies inequalities to light in a very uncomfortable way when talking about the schools and children particularly this highlights both differences in income and wealth as well as problems with domestic violence substance abuse and mental health issues since the schools closed in mid March. Both teachers and Child Welfare services have expressed concern of those who for example have a very toxic environment and for whom the school is normally a sanctuary with safe adults and a warm meal every day. Many families have lost income and many are struggling with the extra expenses brought on by having the whole family at home all of the time. Not everyone has an Internet connection at home and in for example low income families with multiple children. They might not have enough computers for all of them to attend school schools. Also report difficulty in getting hold of some children and families and the means to protect. These children have worsened now that they don't meet the children regularly children with special needs and needed. Extra support might have lost that. In Finland School lunches are normally free of charge to all pupils during the state of emergency when the schools have closed their doors. The government still recommend that municipalities. Who are responsible for. The education provide lunch for those who need it not all municipalities to and between those. Who Do it's done in many different ways in some cities you can pick up lunch every day and others weekly and some offer money instead for many kids. The school lunch might be the only meal they eat during the day so for those children and families for their municipality does not offer lunch. The situation is very difficult again. Thank you for sending that. Yes yes thank you so much. It's bad everywhere has without means for sure. Sure and the last thing that we wanted to share was a correction about the twenty percent reduction in pay to public school teachers in Hawaii that was mentioned during the interview. This reduction which would also include other public employees. Not just teachers has not actually happened yet. As of May first so these pay cuts have been proposed but have not been finalized yet and may not be finalized depending on how things are decided so another important correction. Yeah thank you so much for sharing those insights and corrections with us. We love hearing from our listeners and we wish that we could respond to each and every one of you if only there were more hours in the day constant refrain reframe okay. Are we ready to talk about Matt? Let's do it. We'll take a quick break and then we'll get down to business. Hey I'm curt brown older and I'm Scott Landes. We're too silly due to love the absurd and we got a brand new podcast called bananas. You should listen. Every Tuesday we discuss absolutely bonkers news stories from around the world. Things like man. Walking oddly found to have twenty one live pigeons in pants missing. Parrot TURNS UP MINUS BRITISH ACCENT fultz speaking Spanish NASA prep for alien communication with LSD Dolphin. Sex EXPERIMENT WHO? And we've got great guests like Norbert Star Kristin Shaw so for all you. Tv or movie starring Actors Producers. I can take out my teeth. So that's one more. If you WANNA real weird look we can give it to you so give us a listen if you enjoy the nutty shocking and the Downright Bananas Bananas every Tuesday on exactly right. Subscribe now on Stitcher Apple Podcast spotify or wherever. You like to listen Hi. I'm Dr Mike. Familiarity and I'm a principal research scientist that Institute for Disease Motley. Ibm is super disease. Modeling is a research institute. That's a collaboration. Between Intellectual Ventures and Bill and Melinda Gates it focuses on issues around disease control elimination and ideally eradication on and until recently had a heavy focus on developing world applications including Malaria Elimination Control Polio eradication HIV control regulus typhoid vaccination policy. Things like that in the starting in January we started to pay more and more attention to this thing that has now covert nineteen recognizing its pandemic potential and have increasingly pivoted. A bunch of efforts towards trying to understand what's happening with covert and trying to understand what we can do about it too besides staying home for the next infinite once or let it rip and see what happens great. Thank you so very much for joining us today. We're very excited to chat with you about some math modeling. Thank you for having me. It's one of my favorite topics. Of course okay. So before we get into the cove in nineteen specific stuff. We would love to just lay a groundwork for what math models are and what they're used for in infectious disease and so could you just start us off by answering. What is a math model? And what are some of the goals of mathematical modeling? Yeah it's a it's an excellent question and I think it's way bigger than just infectious disease but certainly infectious diseases. Having its moment right now like maybe never before so the key idea with mathematical modeling. In general is you're trying to make a simplified synthetic version of the real world in some way that has really explicit rules. That's the mathematics part and then with those rules of how your synthetic you know. Representations of the world actually interacts you. Try to learn about the different possibilities of how the real world could interact and you also often try to work backwards and say I've seen these things in the real world. I think I can map them. Onto my representation. I sorta say my model kind of looks like the real world and some specific way and then I can often ask questions of the model. I can't ask the real world like you know. How did the transmission actually happened? I didn't measure how virus got from one long to one now but statistically speaking what might have happened there what might happen there on average across a large population and the other thing we can do with models and why we care about models especially in infectious disease research is that we only get one real world but we can often computer. We can run many different scenarios many different variations on how we think. The simplified world works and that helps us do two things that are really important. One is again. Try to understand stuff that we can't see directly but how it probably works and into it allows us to explore different future scenarios based on what we've seen so far may depend on different kinds of decisions or different actions are also different scientific. Learnings if you haven't yet resolved on will affect how that plays out. Yes creating a world of parallel universes. That's literally how it works on. The computers have ten ten thousand computers on a on a cloud. Cluster of doing the same thing in parallel each one trying out a little different pathway. Exactly how it works. It's amazing it's amazing so talking specifically now about infectious disease models. Can you walk us through? What the basic components are of an infectious disease model like an SI our model perfect. Yeah the the most common starting model like the front of the textbooks is often what's called an SI armato the S. I n are referred a states that a person in your model can have s means. They're susceptible to the disease. I means they're currently infected with the disease and are usually means they've recovered from the disease and in the simplest models. We assume when you've recovered you have immunity for the rest of your life. That's one of those first. Assumptions is often not true and then with those people have these simple states of either susceptible infected recovered. We put them together in transmission model and we let them interact in some very simplified way. The simplest version is literally sort of like everybody's GonNa Conference Center. Everybody shaking everybody's hand. Everyone's talking to everybody. It's all completely well-mixed. Everybody gets along and in that context then we can introduce an infected person at the beginning of the epidemic. Democ in our model they're interacting with all these susceptible people in so they can pretty easily transmit the infection. How easily is a property? Both of the pathogen itself and exactly how much mixing those people are doing. And how closer talking to each other and all that and then it goes from one infected to a few infected to a lot more effective as time goes on if you keep everybody in this little conference room for as long as it takes. Some of those infected people start to recover. Now they're no longer susceptible transmission continues. But it's getting harder to transmit because there's fewer people around that aren't already recovered and eventually the whole thing plays itself out and you've had your epidemic come and go excellent. Yeah and so you know the data that you used to estimate these parameters so that the population or the size of each of the states that you mentioned the S. and I and our and then also the transmission rate. You know how fast one person moves from the susceptible state to the infected State and then also maybe a recovery rate. Where do the data usually come from to estimate those different numbers or parameters yet another great question and thinking about where the data comes from? We'll help you really understand that comment I made earlier about what parts of modeling is about looking backwards to see things. You can't measure and what parts are about understanding what's compatible with the data you have so if we focus on the individual part for a second like how long is someone infected for which is another way of saying how fast they go from the infected environment the I. Compartment so the R recovered compartment that we can often in a best case scenario measure from people who shop at a hospital or Metro from people who participate in study We literally measured the virus when they start expressing it this shedding viruses. We usually say and we can measure when they stop. And so. That's something that in principle you can measure pretty directly. Individual Properties are often like that immunity is something similar. You can measure people's anybody change and in certain circumstances where if you've measured the right way you can even measure how protective antibodies about getting infected again. So those kind of stuff. The best data come from actually measuring people individually the thing that we very rarely get to measure individual Directly from people because it's it's the experiments are more difficult more invasive. They take a lot more. Logistics is the transmission part itself is used to characterize on average how many people infected person transmits to the way we usually figure that out is not by measuring directly but by looking at the development of infections over time that we measure in a population like we measure at the hospital. And so you sort of say. Well I think there's this many people I think they're infections kind of look like this and then I've seen two people infected yesterday. Four people today. Eight people sixteen and so on and I back calculate that. Oh if that's what the data pattern looks like it. Looks like each inactive person. Maybe causes to more new infections on average. And that's how I figure it out. It's an inference. It's not. It's very rarely a direct natural gotcha and so you know with these models with the basic modeling of of a hypothetical or even real life epidemic or outbreak. They seem to tend to follow what we call this epidemic curve. You we talked about this a bit in terms of the Conference Center mixing and how eventually that population is going to run out of susceptible individuals and so are those the basic patterns that you see for the curve. And what are some of the other things that determine the shape of that curve again really relevant to? What's going on right now. With covert the simple as assumption that leads to occur the common one you see in the front of the textbook and the one that we think of when we think about diseases where we're not trying specifically to control them in any way but we're just sort of letting them play out is that the curve is driven by immunity. Which in the language of sl our model is driven by the interaction between susceptible becoming eventually recovered an being no longer eligible to infected again. So we go back to the conference center picture. You know. Be more specific with like concepts of are not thrown into the thing you know if the first infected person shows up in that conference center and they're sick. The first thing that could actually happen. Is they go wash their hands. And they don't actually transmit anybody we don't hear about but what can also happen. Probabilistically on is. Let's say the person didn't do that or they did it and we still got unlucky because they seized on this ramp then transmit to a few people and now you've had one person turned into a few infections and a few infections turned into more as long as this are not number is above one. Each infection makes more than one infection. And so that's the process that leads to exponential growth early on if I started with one thing and I get more than one thing at grows and grows and grows browse. But then we're the curve comes in as as we said in the room. There's only a finite number of people. There's not infinite people with intimate handshakes and so eventually the there'll be an infected person who starts the virus wants to transmit but they're actually their contact is not susceptible anymore and so their ability to transmit is reduced on average they'll transmit less often this effective reproductive number. That is now lower than the original basic reproduction number. Because there's some people you can't transmit to and eventually you'll naturally get to a point where the effective reproductive number has become a low one or which is to say. Each new infection can only transmit to less than one new person. And you do that. A bunch of times eventually dies out. If nothing else happens that process of exponential growth early followed by exponential decay later works itself out as the curve that we typically see. What's really important to think about that? In the context of Kovic is there are lots of other ways to produce curves that aren't just driven by immunity in a closed population. What's happening right now? All over the world is generating hers by changing our behavior and so instead of by generating unity and letting it run. Its course we're actually changing how we interact with each other and manipulating the probability of transmission in the first place manipulating the zero not just letting the effective reproductive number playout uncontained and so in situation. If you in the end manipulate contact enough so that the transmission rate goes from exponential growth. You know slowly decaying that look like an EPI curve but the difference between this and the immunity story is we haven't consumed the resource of the many susceptible people and so if we were to see if we if when we changed behavior. There's the possibility that the contacts will ramp up again and transmission will ramp up again and we'll get something that looks very different than a classical curve multiple humps that could go up and down and much of the future of the world dealing with covert is going to be figuring out how to mitigate the potential for rebounds as we changed behavior so we can keep the curve shape that we're okay was given all the consequences that has the society both the disease and what we're doing about That was really well. Put how much behavior plays a role in shaping. These curves is hugely important. I think to keep in mind. It's not just a predetermined thing. So can you talk us through some of the assumptions that you have to make when you're constructing one of these models and how that kind of relates to the uncertainty inherent within models and how that might infect sort of interpretation so just sort of more generally speaking about assumptions and uncertainty in mathematical modeling okay. Yes so. There's a lot. A lot of choices can be made for many different purposes one purpose of which being? How quickly do you need an answer? That's better than the seat of your pants on. But also what is your scientific objective. What aspect of the disease is most important to the question? You're asking so many levels of complexity? Many different kinds of assumptions if your objective is to estimate something like the effective reproductive number on average and not to look at the details of how asymmetric people do this and symptomatic people do that young people. Do those people do that in all those kinds of details. If you don't care about that you just want to get the average to characterize what's happening in a large population of all you can make often pretty simple assumptions. That are not particularly different than the model. We've been discussing with the case of covert you have to add. A behavioral component the allows the parameters to change over time. Even if you're not sure why and so- models like that are useful if you want to sort of provide situational awareness on. This is one of the things that we work on idea where we sort of used a simple model to look at the recent past. Try to understand how to transmission led to the recent past and maybe do what we call a now cast which is to say not a long-term forecasts but like the data. Were you telling us about what happened a week and a half ago? And so can we. Further estimate was probably happening right now in the very near future based on a continuing the trends. We've seen before those kind of models don't have that many parts they don't have that many parameters but what they're good at his answering one type of question descriptively. What's happened recently? And what might happen soon at a different level complexity and something else we work on. It is for example all this conversation now about testing tracing isolation quarantine how using information using better testing is hopefully going to become an option increasingly across the world that helps us get out of the current situation with code while being able to return some increased level of social and economic. That makes us all happier. People and that kind of thing requires a lot of details. You have to understand more about how many people live in a house and how many people go to different kinds of offices and it matters if you're trying to test people to tell them to stay home before they continue to transmit you have to figure out or make assumptions about is. Most of the transmission happened at the beginning of the infection while people don't really know that they're sick yet or does it happen route and then you have to think more about how they interact because when a contactor picks the phone they're going to have to call somebody is that somebody mostly GonNa be household members or classroom numbers or people. You work with or is that you have no idea how to track down. Who was on the subway next to you and those different assumptions matter and often when you're asking that kind of really detailed question where the individual details matter. You have to make a lot more assumptions. You can also use a lot more data to help you understand some of those assumptions and in those kind of things. You're often your focus is going to be less on. Let me predict exactly what's going to happen because you can't really know exactly what's going to happen. You can never know that but it's especially hard in these complex models but your questions might be more like am I pretty sure for lots of ranges opens things. I don't know lots of uncertainty option. A IS BETTER THAN OPTION B. Am I pretty sure that if we try option a we can measure? How well it does work. I can't predict how well it's GonNa work but we can figure out afterwards. How well it was working in a justice on that so models have the sort of more detailed in justic sure can be a lot more assumption rich but then correspondingly are going to be weaker at your really making sure. They've gotten everything right and you use them in a difficult I you try to use them to understand ranked preferences. What's better than what else I'm in less. Try to use them for long term forecast at least that sort of approach that I tend to take in my own work okay. Interesting so more simple models are used to kind of understand what's going on and what might happen in the future more complex models more about decision making in terms of not what is going to happen. But what are the different outcomes? That could happen if X IF WE CHOOSE. Xyz? Yeah that's a great rule of thumb because those are where they excel as you look across the many models being used in not just right now but through like the history of epidemiological modelling. The boundaries are blurrier than I just made it sound. And so that's one thing to pay attention to is if you're seeing a very simple model being used for a complex prediction the hair on the back of your neck. Stand up and go I wonder and then conversely if you're seeing a very complex model being used for fairly simple prediction there's a question about how sure am I that they've explored that simple prediction could be because the universe of their model seems potentially a lot bigger than what I'm seeing in the output and so that's another What do I think is actually going on there? Certainly questioned professional model is ask each other all the time when review each other for. That's really that's really interesting. And so then. These different models might be used at different stages within a pandemic. Let's say for example to guide different public health measures. And so can you talk a little bit about how we might use a model differently or use a different model. Even early on in pandemic versus during the middle of one versus at the end of a pandemic. Yes this is very much what we're seeing. Play out around the world in modeling right now including within idea my own organization early on you often start simple for two reasons one is. You don't know that much and so you want to use fewer more flexible assumptions. That capture what you do know and not try to say too much about what you don't and characterize all the uncertainties usually easier to characterize because you like there's not that much. I can only tell us this. Good okay that's what it is but then also especially early in this pandemic and this is a continual tension ideal with my professional work as my colleagues is a decent answer soon is better than a great answer a year from now because decisions have to be made that affect what happens and we want to be able to help inform on those decisions with our expertise certainly not drive them but are able to provide a different way of looking at the same data to public health audiences like the government and that has a useful frame to what they're already understand in there already have as their deep expertise so as we start with simple models we learn more and also the questions change like a month ago or month and a half ago. Now in the question was okay. When should we start doing some physical distancing and how well will it work and then the question was well? How well did it work? And we're starting to find a lot of places all over the world. It's took exponentially going catastrophe and has slowed down to close to something to sort of sustain indefinitely with the selective reproductive number equals one knowing the reproductive number changed is a slightly more complex than in the first question. Still fairly simple and you can estimate lots of different ways in lots of different groups. Are doing this. Where the questions are going now. And where the models are going now is how do we better understand why the effect of reproductive number changed the way this not just that it changed but what specifically of the many things everyone around the world just changed in the last six weeks what specifically had the biggest contributions to the change what specifically was no big deal and we can just let it go back to close normal and it will probably be fine than okay if we want to start doing newer strategy strategies? That are going to be more specific. How do they place you know if you have better information you don't have to? You have changed their behavior to the same extent you might be able to have less or more and be able to respond to the virus itself and so that again is another level of complexity. Because it's not just modeling what the viruses doing. But it's then modeling Howard. We societally likely to respond to what the virus doing. What are its consequences and so the complexity goes up as the questions? Go Up and as the time moves on the questions are getting more complex and and also we're learning more scientifically often. We learn about a disease over many years. Most science moves over the timescale of years. In here where trying to learn over weeks and so we're trying to ask these complicated questions build complicated models understand the limitations of our simple models that we haven't ever confronted before at the same time as every was trying to make everything better and change what's happening and so that that leads to a whole `nother cloud of of of uncertainty and challenge. That's just inherent to where we are at all time. Typically and as a community dealing with this thing yeah and so you know talking now shifting more specifically into Kovic nineteen models and predictions and forecasts. Can you just kind of walk us? Through what a basic model of cove nineteen might look like for instance like would follow the same model that you described earlier yes. The simplest models often follow the same sl. Our framework with one very important exception. Which is there's nowhere on earth to our knowledge except for maybe some small villages here or there that have had really severe epidemics early on where immunity is the dominant reason that the transmission rate is changing. So we can't just rely on the sort of chapter one of the textbook. Immunity produces a bell shape. We have to incorporate some concept of behavior and that can be as simple as the transmission rate changes over time in ways that estimate but not really understand why models like that have been useful for covert for understanding. You know what is changing models. That are that simple have been also useful for sort of understanding in the next few weeks. What is likely to happen if trends? Continue as they have. That was very useful for hospital. Utilization predictions you know. How worried should we be about overwhelming healthcare system and many of the early predictions going back to February? Were in the focus of okay. We have no idea what's going to happen. But what if we do nothing? A simple model even or complex model in that moment is an exponential growth model. And that's that and it's going to say you know if we do nothing with Cova really dire outcomes that we haven't seen in the century are from an infectious disease are going to happen and so from there. We sort of say okay. That's one of useful prediction. But then unlike weather prediction models actually change what happens which is an important thing understand ready. Miala when modeling and data together. Clearly tell a story. It's on us as a learning issues than act in response to that story so that the worst doesn't happen in one of the things. That's been super gratifying for me. Just as a person forget about US professional with covert is watching like so much of the world actually make major changes to save lots of lives that have completely changed with those early. Outcome could have been to where they are right now. Models that can adapt to that continuous process or going to do better in the future than models that were more rigid about what we thought we understood early on and are just trying to keep shoving forward. You brought up a very good point about models telling a story that is sort of a choose your own adventure like a snake tail in its mouth sort of at a story there. Yeah and and that's one of the things that I you know. I certainly want us to be really careful about. I try my best and they're probably don't always succeed. is to be really mindful of of the difference between like a prediction and a scenario. And what I think. The the differences right is often like again using weather as the modeling system. That almost everybody's familiar with that's a prediction system. Where we have an enormous amount of understanding of the physics. We have a lot of measurements happening all over the world and on the scale of weather days not centuries or at least years. We don't do anything that changes the weather and so we can get better and better at predicting it and it will play out as we get better predicting it it'll play out like we said it was going to happen and modeling is in that context really prediction tool in something like Cova. I think of it more for the future as a scenario exploration tool because the would depend entirely on the future behavior of the community that the covert is transmitting courts. At least until far in the future where the stronger effects of hopefully some significant immunity which is itself still uncertain. As to what that's GONNA look like will kick in and make some of these stories simpler and so certainly in our science communication. We try to emphasize. Like here's what could happen in the next few weeks if everything stays the same? And here's what could happen if things change to make transmission a little less or they change to make transmission a little more and so. That's why getting emphasis on scenarios is to help. Visualize how choices of some change could lead to different outcomes And that's different than prediction in my mind. Because in the end it's the choices will affect the scenario. That happens and we don't know that. Yeah that's that's such a good point and I think you know I've seen a little bit here and there are people saying. Oh well why do we have to just severe lockdown if cases are so low and it's like well let's that's the cases are so low because we had a severe lockdown like it's it goes hand-in-hand. Yeah I wish I remember where I saw this on twitter. I is that that's why you take your medicine like you start feeling sick. And then you take medicine to make you not get really sick and potentially die. A physical distancing is the medicine for a community transmittable disease at this point in time one for which we don't have other good options so yet we took the medicine. Things are getting better and like not taking your full course of antibiotics. If we stop taking the medicine to get worse again exactly great. It's definitely definitely true. So what are the questions I have is is a little bit specific as regards to sort of building these covert nineteen models and I was just wondering know whether whether some models use just lab confirmed cases so like people who have tested positive Or have been tested and tested positive or whether there are any models that are also extrapolating based on the number of asymptomatic individuals or The people who seemed to be clinically diagnosed positive just based on symptoms alone whether these models are using just lab diagnose cases or also clinically diagnosed cases of cove. Nineteen as well yet. Another really important question. The answer is there are models that are using jus- clinically confirmed cases lab confirmed cases. There are models using multiple case definitions their models using not just tastes finishes but also you know we learned this thing from a paper and send Jen and we think it's probably the same in such and such city so let's just copy that art over in use it until we learned something better about the city that we're looking at the moment. Lots of different data sources. I think the way to think about this is again. What is the objective of the model and also where? What kind of data is most reliable? 'cause that's also super important right now. With covert we make assumptions about how those different data streams represent a sample of the total population models can be more or less complex and how they handle those assumptions and they can all feed together to tell sort of one story about what's happening underneath with the population prevalence and one of the exciting things through those also starting to be more data more projects that really set out to learn about the parts of the population that don't just show up. In clinical case reporter lab confirm his reporting and that kind of data becomes more available these surveys of Sierra logical surveys that look for immunity history also shedding surveys look for actively shutting virus in people who didn't show up at the hospital are giving us yet another type of data stream that again held a story about the population and depending on the model is objective. What data they have access to. You have more or less complex pieces that you put together to tell a coherent story about the whole population. Yeah looking back on these earlier models of cove in nineteen. So let's say like a month ago. What can we take away from the performance of a model like if evaluate a model a month or two months after it was first created and we evaluate? How well it actually measured up to what we saw. What does that tell us? What does that? What does that mean to us to evaluate a model prediction or a model even a model result of any kind from a few months ago or a couple of months ago the most important thing from viewing it as a modeling scientists. Viewing by professional ends is. What was the objective that model set out to do? And then how do we judge did against that objective so one example? We talked about earlier models that in early February predicted. Millions of that. Salt WITH UNMITIGATED outcome. Well so far. That hasn't happened. Because we didn't have an unmitigated world but we might be able to judge that prediction on. How did it capture? What was known at the time How did it influence decision making in a direction that epidemiologist collectively think is the right direction or not Was the presenter of the model is sort of humble about what they were trying to do in clear about what they were trying to do or did they overreach based on like. I started here and actually what what I try to talk about was three other things that not really what. I focused on that sort of a scientific integrity component then their models that look that what. What if you make this change or that change or the other and then something we can? Judge is working backwards. Both which scenario seems to be played out that's useful because it helps us anchor what we've seen what we were what we were expecting in the past but then we can also further into the model if the model has the details and say did it get the right answer for the right reasons based on new science that we've learned or get lucky. This is how I view it as a professional. I think if I was just feeling like when I watched the news at night or on my phone. There's more of a sense of. Can I see how the the narrative that's being spun around this model connects to what the figure the graph actually looks like? And if it does I feel better about the coherence between the two. Even if the prediction doesn't necessarily play out correctly because then the next thing I'm looking for is if the prediction was incorrect. How did that model or that model or address that discrepancy? And did we learn something from that discrepancy? Or not if we do if you know communicated in a learning way and and we can point to like. Oh this was this assumption. That didn't play out the same way. We thought that's what the outcome was different. And I think that's a really successful effort but it's a it's different than the communication question. Everybody wants to know what's going to happen and I come back to. I don't think that's quite the right way to think about what these models are capable of doing. At least maybe a few weeks. You can guess the things. Don't change that fast. And it'll be predictive but beyond that again it comes down to the choices we're making a society and that's GonNa make it hard to really use. Prediction is the right lens. Yeah so I won't ask you then to predict what's going to happen but I will ask Whether there is any agreement among models as to what policies might be the best for the ideal scenario which is the least number of cases as possible and the fewest deaths and ideally with with some sort of relatively tolerable. Societal cost which often an additional layer of complication. Here so us. Like is there a consensus of from of different things from the models and I would actually put it as I think. There's more of a consensus among model irks And the differences that aspect of how fast. Everything's moving of you often. Those of us who've made a career out of thinking about it became electrical. Modeling can sink through things that we've not yet had time or a colleagues have not yet had time to actually turn into real math. You can run that multi-diverse on your computer cluster. And really play out and so you'll see pieces of stories that are out there now and over the next few months it will continue to be more and more and I think the consensus at the moment is something like the following. At least I should say more carefully. I'm not sure if this is the consensus. It's the campaign I fall into. That is probably the more safe way to say so. We do expect that to keep. That's under control and to keep hospitals from being overwhelmed that there will be some physical distancing for a very long time. I have very long time. Could be months could be more than a year it could. It will depend on the availability of an effective scene but to meet the goal is not letting covert and hit. Everybody that's GonNa hit We're likely to still need some physical distancing overtime but added to that there's a lot of interest in interventions that are more specifics to control the transmission. The popular talk of the moment is test traced isolate and quarantine those kind of interventions contact tracing interventions. They look for people who have the disease and then try to get ahead of where. The disease is transmitted by interviewing them about their social network and connecting to the people that they were likely to have transmitted to and ask those people to change their behavior to stay home if they might be sick to get test find out if they are and otherwise. Make it so that it's harder for those people to continue to transmit on and that will prune transmission trains and keep things under control to do that as a really resource intensive thing and so most countries although not all are in a position where we need we weren't we weren't sitting on a squad that was ready to do this for everywhere on Earth a global pandemic and so there's a resource question about how feasible that will be and in the modeling one of the at very active areas of research is. How do you trade off the blanket physical distancing which is required when you don't know where the disease is and the contact tracing based interventions? That will be more effective as you have better information about. Who's getting sick and missing fewer and fewer people with that information. I think and I think a lot of my colleagues thing that like the path forward is going to be the most realistic to be determined based on resources and coordination holiday and behavior. Of how does that trade off play out with the ideal that we get to better and better information on that makes less and less physical distancing necessary but one caveat I want to add that's Intrinsic? Dacoven that we think we've learned in the last few months is there's definitely some Cova transmission that happens before people are showing symptoms. And there's definitely some people who show negligible or really no symptoms and so there's likely to be a fundamental limit on even if you had infinite resources being able to track down every infection and stop it from transmitting just because they'll be transmission events for which there's nothing you can observe and so that feedback is why we think it's it's not likely to literally go back to normal plus contact tracing if we want to control the transmission to the levels that we've you know are hoping to do it now. I think it's something like that. Is the short term consensus a really important uncertainty as to? How does this play out? You know two years from now or three years from now is is how durable is the immunity that covert nineteen generates and people who get infected. And we don't know where covert business space and and it's it's reasonable that it could be on sort of towards either extreme because on one hand it's a corona virus like the common cold ones for which communities not that durable but on the other hand it's causes a much more severe infection a lot of people so the immune response may be quite different. So maybe it'll be more durable than typical common cold grown avars those all matter because it really matters to like does this. This cove in nineteen disappeared from Earth. Once we have a vaccine or or does it become a thing that if you're vaccinated you're probably safe but you need to get vaccinated every year to how does that play out in the future. Exactly those parts. The interactions of immunity transmission is stuff that like really clouds. What could happen to three or four years from now Yeah I'd like to ask you when I see a headline that says Oh this model is just has. Just come out and predicts this many things. It can be really difficult to evaluate whether that model is reliable or what I should take away from that model and so do you have any suggestions for how we should think about these models and how we should evaluate them Or COMPARE THEM. Yeah a couple come to mind the first one. It's one that's frustrating and it's frustrating to me again as a person who's afraid of covert is that Be Very wary of absolute predictions for the many reasons we've discussed about how they're not of physics in this situation their behavior dependent and we can choose that and so that would be one rule of thumb is. If I'm hearing a modeling resolve it says like with high confidence. Something is going to happen. You know in August and that's that I am very wary of it. An immediately asked myself under what assumptions about the future. Is that likely to be true. And so. That's one rule of thumb. Now I'll soften that and say if it says here's what's likely to happen in the next two weeks. I get much less critical. Because that's your society changes that fast most of the time. And so that's a that's a more reliable thing to predict. Maybe another rule of thumb. Is You know again one? That might be frustrating and one that I probably done a lot in this interview. At least I hope hot and this interview is the communication around the model. Keep Heggie what it says in if it does. That's a good thing. The hedging verbally is a challenge of translating mathematics into the conversation. So when we talk about uncertainty in our models there's a very precise way to sort of define uncertainty and we can make a graph that shows a range of estimates and has some principal reason. It happens but then when you translate it to the written your written media that's not technical or or conversation trying to communicate like here's what I think I know confidently versus years where I'm not. So sure is something that if people can to near ear to that that will help them understand what they can and can't believe about what they're hearing and conversely if they don't hear that again they should be wearing those certainly how. I think of it as a as a member of the community when I watch a model on the news or read a tweet not a paper that sort of how. I approach Yeah those are great great tips for sure so I have one final question for you and it's more on a personal note. Is there any positive change? You hope to see come out of this pandemic whether it relates to just sort of view as a member of the community or you as a as a model or in your professional life anything that you just a little silver lining. Maybe hope for the future. Oh yeah absolutely. Covert IS REVEALING. Something we all should know. We are all together. It affects us. Disease makes that clear. Because you're there is no individual decision that doesn't have consequences but we're all in together and something. That's been mostly gratifying. Something I've been really you know continually like can tear up if I let myself think about. It is how much from the middle of February forward to now all over the world. People have made dramatic changes to how they live. Inconvenient changes the personally damaging in many cases. Because they're trying to say save themselves but also save the lives of their neighbor Or their grandmother that they accidentally transmit tune and that to me is is remarkable and and also you know moving to a professional scale one of the things. That's also been I think really promising and really GonNa just gratifying. I was prior to this three months ago. Most of my work was on. Polio transmission with applications largely towards developing world. I didn't have close relationships for the most part with public health officials. And you know I had a peer group of different models but we often would talk more to each other and you know and if I had relationships they were in place as far away that I wasn't intellectually was trying to help wouldn't feel close to and I've watched you know the fact that I'm here right now because so many people from so many different organizations with so many different backgrounds are like all just bent towards good. And we'll like let's work together. I don't care how we used to do. It will is something of value here. Let's figure out how to make it work like we're in it together and figuring out how to make it work has just been awesome. It makes me sad that it takes something like this to really make that crystal clear but boy. I hope we remember it. A One cove is under control or hopefully on. Thank you again so much to Dr Mike. Familiarity for giving us the low down on math models. It was great. We covered so much ground in that interview to another. Phanom Interview Erin. Loved it a lot getting to listen to it? Really truly thank you thank you. I mean he did. He did such an awesome job. Though I thought of explaining I mean this is such a complex topic and so to break it down in this really accessible way like. That's not an easy thing to do. So we appreciate it. We really do. I think a lot of people get very scared when they hear about math and I feel like that made math not so scary. Yeah absolutely okay so Aaron. What did we learn? We've learned so so very much. Okay what are the top five things we learn to how five things okay number one math models of infectious disease can help us? Ask and answer all kinds of questions. And they come in all different shapes and sizes but in general they're used for two basic purposes number one models can allow us to imagine a multi verse of possible outcomes and this can help us make decisions about which course of action to take or which policy to put into place. Aaron. I think you said it's like an endgame possible. I'm sorry infinity war. It's like when doctor strange is like what are all the possibilities. Let me just go through the six billion of them. Wow I just got called out hard thing the wrong movie. Sorry get your marvel movies right here. Okay the second thing that models can do is help us to understand what happened retrospectively which is really useful since somethings we can't measure directly and there's also this inherent trade off between making models more complex or keeping them very simple complex models allow us to ask complex questions but you often will sacrifice accuracy for that because of all of the assumptions that you have to make in those models you end up using these more complex models to make decisions about which option is better whereas simpler models might be used to actually forecast what might happen at least in the short term. Yes definitely very cool. Yeah number two. The modeling that most of us are probably familiar with is weather forecasting. This blew my mind. I mean I think it's a really good. It's a really good way to put it. It's a really good way to think about it. These comparisons yeah and so in weather forecasting. Of course you get these predictions for what's going to happen later today or tomorrow or this week or next week. But there are several big differences between modeling the weather and modeling. An epidemic or pandemic. The first is that we have a wealth of incredibly detailed and long term data on weather patterns whereas something like Kobe Nineteen. We're still very much learning as we go. Another huge difference is that unlike whether prediction these models of infectious disease can actually change. What happens in the future so we really shouldn't think of infectious disease modeling as making predictions? But it's more about imagining a bunch of different scenarios that could happen depending on the choices we make now and I think this is particularly important to remember as we revisit some of the earlier models of cove in nineteen. Under what circumstances were they predicting this or that amount of deaths? Many of those models may have been estimating the intensity of the pandemic if we did nothing to control it so the fact that the case numbers or deaths are below right now what was predicted in those scenarios does not mean that the physical distancing or the shutdowns that these measures that we've taken it doesn't mean that they are too extreme but rather it's more that their evidence that they are working to actually slow the pandemic and prevent those worst case scenario from happening. Right yeah I feel like that's such an important point because it's really easy to look at it and say. Oh well what's happening now doesn't match those models. But that's not really the point of those models number three as we've talked about before on this podcast epidemics tend to follow a curve where we have a steep increase in cases peak followed by sharp decline. Often that decline in cases happens because you run out of susceptible people to infect however with Cova nineteen. We still have an enormous amount of susceptible people that we need to protect from infection. So we can't necessarily expect to see that sharp decline. Our collective behavior will be the thing that determines the shape of the curve not just the transmission dynamics of the virus by practicing distancing. We're manipulating that are not remember. And we're driving it down as much as we possibly can. If we lift these measures the effective are not could climb back up and we could end up creating an epidemic curve. That looks more like eight. Kimmel with multiple humps. We don't want a camel curve no offense to camel no offense to Campbell's very cool yeah number four. It seems that physical distancing might have to continue for a very long time in order to keep that effective reproductive rate very low. But we're still learning so much about Kovic. Nineteen that could change the exact nature of these physical distancing measures and one of the areas that models are looking at is teasing apart which measures seem to be most effective and which may not be that effective and exactly what kinds of resources we would need to control the spread of infection once a case is detected so a ramped up test trace isolate quarantine strategy and based on what we learn. There might be adjustments to the current. Everybody physical distance strategy to only having certain people or certain places do physical distancing but because of what we've learned so far about asymmetric and pre-symptomatic individuals and their ability to transmit the virus contact. Tracing alone is probably not going to be enough. So some physical distancing seems like it's going to remain for at least a good amount of time in the future. Yeah like we're in this for the long haul. It seems yeah or at least a long haul who knows what on call number five in general if you are looking and thinking about whether to trust a model or not. There are a couple of rules of them number. One be wary of absolute predictions especially if they are long-term ones and if someone says they're almost certainly going to be x number of cases in September maybe take that prediction with a grain of salt because apparently there from the nineteen twenties. Exactly who trust that kind of a voice you know number? Two listen to how the model is described and weather. Uncertainty is acknowledged if a person describes or acknowledges the uncertainty in the model. That's actually a good thing if someone says well. This is one possible outcome based on X. Y. Z. But we don't know how much of a role ABC plays. That's good knowing and discussing. The limits of a model is a matter of scientific integrity and we should be wary of someone overstating. What their model can do. I think that's good general practice as good as say it's a pretty good like life role. Someone says I'm an expert. I know everything. Don't question my knowledge authority like Lou. Well see I know everything about everything. That's the kind of voice you know what I mean Erin sure okay. Well Yeah I mean. Those are the top five things but there's definitely so often were That you can pick out of that interview incredible. Hopefully you learned that math is Kinda fun because I think it. I think it's fun. It is so powerful. What you can do. It's amazing. Yeah I love it. Yeah and if you want to learn more about math or maybe get a little bit deeper of a dive into infectious disease and how it's modeled and by math. I watched an amazing lecture by Robyn Thompson at Oxford Mathematics and this is on Youtube. It's titled How do Mathematicians Model Infectious Disease Outbreaks? And he did such a great job of again sort of like taking you through. You know what a model is all of these different aspects and there's also a visual component. Which really might help you to see some of these different numbers and figures that we talked about like on your actual computer screen so we will post a link to that on our website and if there are any modeling books like for the lay person that anyone wants to suggest or send our way. Please please do so. We will share them most definitely another thing that I wanted to call out not necessarily a resource but just a fun. Little thing that I found is a book that we got an advanced reader's copy of called the down days by AILSA Hugo. And I really liked it. So it's a it's a fiction book and the timing of this could not be like spookier because it first of all it. Do you remember the Lake Tanganyika laughter epidemic that we talked about in the dancing plague? I remember you talking about it. Okay well it's sort of like a fictionalized account of that but in the future like current times and but it's like goes on for a long time. Everyone's wearing masks all over the place. Everyone wears gloves everywhere. There's like full-on quarantine. All the time in one of the the wild things to that happened was that like people were like drinking bleach because someone told them it was going to clean insides. Yeah Win. Fiction is so close to real life that you're like why it's it's spooky but I really enjoyed the book and it comes out like in in early. May or early June. I can't remember we're going to put it on our bookshop and are good reads list But yeah if you want to kind of like even dive deeper into the world of like fictional into the world of pandemics. Here's a fictional one. You can try out and then one final thing that I wanNA shout out. Is that our lovely lovely heard. The heard on read started a silver linings thread. So if you want to add your silver lining Go on Reddit and check out the sub reddit. Teepee W K Y and add your silver lining. It's really wonderful and really like it makes my heart. Happy to see all those. If if you need just like a little a little mood booster you could just go on and read everyone else's silver linings. Because you're happy it's excellent. Yeah well that was a really fun episode. Thank you again so much Dr Lori for spending the time to chat with us and all of our listeners. We really appreciate it. Yes we do and thank you to blood mobile for providing the music for this episode and all of our episodes and thank you to you listeners. For listening and sticking along. We hope that you enjoyed this map. Heavy Episode Yeah. Let us know. Yeah and also yes. Thank you okay until next time. Wash your hands. Filthy Animals

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#ThrowbackThursday NEW YEARS Edition with Nick Nelson

The Culture Soup Podcast

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#ThrowbackThursday NEW YEARS Edition with Nick Nelson

"Today is January second twenty twenty happy New Year only two days into the new decade. How's it going? I know I'm having a good time celebrating the holidays. It's another throwback Thursday and we'll come back to you next week with a brand new guest and brand new content. In the meantime I bring you today the brand for Noor Mr Nick Nelson enjoy. Hey we all this is culture soup. Where Tech Culture and business collide? It's a podcast spoons up. Everything hot from social media. I'm your host El Michelle Smith and each episode. We bring you some of the most notable and not yet notable thought leaders in Tech Business and culture culture. You know. I know you've heard the term instagram famous for those of you. That don't know those. Are Those people that show up on. Instagram have tons of followers. Ars In tons of engagement. And they're the ones that get brain deals well I circulate in another realm. In fact someone called me the B. Two B. Creator and I'd never really considered that before. But you know he was right. Some of US are B- to be influencers. My next guest is just there. He is what you'd call linked in famous. Let's just as I met Natasha. Bowman in my Lincoln feed I met Nick Nelson. The brand preneurs not not even connected to him yet to people removed in my second layer network. His face continue to pop up in my feed with his videos where he's branding people in their personal brand managers general managers Eh corporations people who are trying to stand out and be found on social media. He calls a brand day. Well Nick just kept showing up my feet over and over and over again. I didn't reach out to connect just yet but I did like his. This content fast forward to two thousand eighteen. Remember the story of Dr Eric. Winston Winston Walton of lead three sixty. Yeah a lot of roads and with him remember how he. We asked me to join the Faculty of lead three sixty well as it turns out Nick Nelson is also faculty at we three sixty. He's the brand procure. He's all about personal brands and he is another one of my frat brothers from Alpha Phi Alpha Eta. My doctor Walton without further ADO. I want you to meet my friend. The Brain Nelson. Hey my brother was. Hey everybody I'm so excited to have Nick Nelson with me. He is the franc per noor. I gotTa Tell Tell You the first time I saw him. I'm scrolling through Lincoln and we weren't even connected but this man's content is so strong and his followership is so active that it's been my fee and it was taking pictures of people but it wasn't as pictures. He was actually crafting their brand nick. How're he doing good? Thank you so much for coming on the Culture Safak brand pn Oor me tell everybody oh you. did I tell everybody that you need to have a brand new purpose statement supper statement is I hope. Remarkable people OH products in organizations get noticed very simple because get noticed is important because nowadays What I've learned served that everybody is eighty deal steroids? And that's because a foams have made us that way in our habits that made us that way. Also just don't have time to be very intentional. In terms of which presenting out in the atmosphere it has to be different and it has to be presented in such a way that allows you then stops by taking the habit of scrolls rose rose will have to. They have something that will get somebody to do this. One simple thing data index finger at the center of the phone for staples was aw right. So what I noticed that there is a collective of people that are late millennials and above and beyond that were taught a few different things we saw. That is all about a you. Show up in person is how it's which which you say Richie Communicate networking events Who you're connected to enroll life so all of those things very important but in the society that we live in nowadays where most people are active online all throughout the day? And you're looking at. I has feature bolt screens. How much time you've been on your phone on the average the average hers at least police five or six hours? You know Right or work and so there's a lot of activity that happens in terms of people being being on some are made aware of things but many of us especially in people of Color We just haven't acclimated over to that zone comfortable whether it's I don't though second I don't know what to say Understand the value of social back or private wind on what I've tried to do and when I do. My company is to dispel some of those behaviors myths and change a new behavior the aid. You're as crazy as it is. It's fun I is fine. I because nowadays Tom People want to be voyeuristic. They want to look inside of your life and social media platforms are free because beyond their reward. That behavior they won't they won't sue things they want your data and then what you're content. That's the whole reason. Why Social Medias is free right now however if you let rich social media to your advantage you can actually be known for thing or we know for one thing you can? If you're consistent you're hyperfocused community you can be engaged for so you can be known for another thing very quickly right. That's my story elaborate. This leads me to our culture soup moment. How about we have when you're ready okay? So my calls received moment. It really surrounds the idea of personal branding. which seems like it's pretty new because we talked about this phone access says voyeuristic society where this individual Mog on and see things and scroll through the air newspeak but it also is something something that's been around for a long time? We haven't seen it manifests in our faces in this digital world. The way it does today so you capitalize it's and actually help people to leverage their personal brand. What are you seeing when it comes to trends that is working mark so online terms train? That's working it's very engaging authentic concept that is done in a very block ish style way and then not right yellow and let me tell you what being used to be aware you were individuals. INC's felt they needed to have very pristine video video. That is lit very well. Color corrected has the Music in the background. Hello my name is right. This is this specific company. And this is what I said Eh. What I'm seeing nowadays? That never won by the time. Give your name. People have scrolled. Oh so no. Introduction action is needed. Start talking to other thing is as you're talking you have to talk like You are engaged excitement in. You had to get as much as you can end it within those first few seconds because you're trying to get the people to stop the behavior scrolling following it. You don't have a certain low energy about it. Then people would just move on people equal light authenticity. They might feel like you're talking to them not the manufactured you is almost like for my foes It's it's very is the real you and then there's the representative right now a days. Nobody wants to to see the representative now. Actually they ain't got time representatives. Let's see real you right. And so that's what what people WANNA see. Nowadays they want get an understanding of what is the what am I. I'll have time for names. Just give it to me straight. And they like the content in their video and now they're used to consuming it in that way where the pre deals don't the likes shares in the engagement. I all right very much. So authentic videos do okay. So let's talk about imagery and how compelling imagery can and stop the scroll is what you do so tell us more about the brand preneurs and what you're doing with these individuals to tell a very authentic story Laurie with images so there's two things when it comes so brand is what he want to be known for in how you WanNa make people feel that out of everything is not. My definition is the definition of brand. If you look at any brand in this world they are known. I'm for a single thing. And they make you feel a certain way That's the first thing that I get my hyper achievers. To and that's Hawk is very hard because they have to narrow with what what I call it. I call it being Pacific Pacific Atlantic. You gotta you gotTa be Pacific Right. It's not You can't be too vague. You have to be very specific in terms of who you're trying to understand how they want to see things and so it you go beyond. Imagery is important imagery support because imagery is important because It is very strategic people like attractive. Thanks and what I learned. Here is the only reason why imagery is part of what I do. In the reason why you specifically the weather should. I'm not the natural light person. I'm not even Put Our secret anybody. I learned audience though watching Youtube. allegedy cats right but took the time learning perfected in perfect it a certain way leveraging. Light the thing about people of Color on here if you're light skin or if you blinky black black black y'all need might give right it and it helps highlight and helps to accentuate us. That's the first thing the next thing. We need to feel comfortable when I noticed that many people try to Stick a camera in front of face is that they're either a bit corny. They have no personality or they're not real. Yeah I'm I'm not any of those things that I'm not afraid of the CEO. Free of the anybody the way in which you can receive. It's very it's very respectful but it's very okay. What's the way Oy survey because at the end of the day before you see you but only better asked what else in? That's all I strive for. And the other thing that I learned shows was that far too often people in my industry you know we got we got we got words and we got workbooks MHM people more than were in a workbook they actually more actual strategies and solutions that are tailored customs dinner. 'cause everybody's different and they want they want something tangible that even beyond the time that we spent together. I have something that memorialize the occasion. That's called perceived value Allard about preceding value at the essence music festival with one simple brain McDonalds McDonalds hand. These they couldn't have been the show more than two cents a piece to create these bags than had African American women on them with specific artwork. These black women will wait for the doors of essence to open yes in flip flops tissues or whatever they have matter run run and fight over these toussaint bay because the perceived value was Muslim representation of me in. No one else is doing it. I right it just blows my mind because that floor that convention or Conference Center floor is massive and you'll see lines and lines lines and lines of my sisters waiting for some Chaki. Okay okay the drop in a beat you got great music going on but they will stay in there longer than you would at Disney with you know not fast past it came from business. Let me take you WANNA ask fans I gene. It's it's it's about what's valuable answer who you're dealing with a a audience of us. We see. Aw Town them is unique experience. I'm so glad you brought that up. That's the whole thing about what teach people in terms of their brain. You gotta treat yourself as an experience. There's the in person experiences experience on the online experience and the to have to be semi. They had similar if if I see something online that I'm attracted to but but I'm meet with you and falls flat. It doesn't work and you actually tell me all the wig all the best compliment ever get shows that the first of all look like you look online and you liked that online. I'm mess all the way around. I I you know I'll give you four warning right. This is why like I've missed this brilliant Holler at Sup- brother if you need somebody that's buttoned up and a lot of what you do all that that's not me and everyone you're off line experiences. I think literally build the case and the story for what you want to shear cheer online so that your online experience is a part of that straight line and I got to tell you that I met you I online but the the second I met you offline in. We're in Atlanta at the lead. Three safety combine death right. I was sitting in the lounge. My introverted self had come up to the surface and I was just dining by myself and you eased up beside me and the park and you look like you really enjoy it so disturbing your ethnic. No you're so good to meet you. But yes my off Kwan. Experience Aligned with my online experience and it was a pleasure to meet you nick in the Flesh Your Mobile Paul. Nope you have not make the FEC about periods like. I'm an introvert also. Introvert Vert extrovert. I am I I enjoy because I'm in front of people so much better from people who all sign and then even you know from social persona and I say persona. It's not a negative word. Is I get I get a lot I give ah in terms of energy right is so in those downtown and then I have a white in child in the energy is will right. Signed by the time I hit time alone I I cherish Kogas government. I cherish it because uh-huh I don't get it off and I I can appreciate you eating Alone thank you for allowing me to join you and innovating innovating. Now it was the mic Nelson and we were calling their faculty members for League. Three Sixty Angle. Thank you actually work the workshop right. They started by next door to talk about what you covered. You talked about being a corporate influence. So the thing about Brand is that oftentimes yet many people that think well. I have to be an entrepreneur. But I don't want to you know I'm not a world four organization. I'm not looking for the next job. Will branding more than about looking for the next job again again. If you if you recall it's what you want to be known for it. How do you WanNa make people feel and so anybody that tells me well you know? got a brand. I challenged them and I said well. Let's pull up Google and is put in your name and the city live it. Take a look if something comes up we say. Okay what comes up and woody rank frank if nothing comes up that says something also that says that you are ghost an equal. Just don't do this search for you. Yeah which is very externally exactly because again people are nosy. Right people are nosy their judgment so in their arm because that's a true right and so is all about perceived value. We learn what that is. Now where are you putting out there in the atmosphere to craft a narrative for yourself because by crafting narratives also becomes embiid's opportunity if you are wrapping yourself in a narrative of yourself as insightful as popular as connected as whatever the thing about it is you out the create your own narrative or give your give that power to someone else and it created story this not necessarily story of you accidentally and so Neck speak to the importance of knowing your value value. Because if you don't know your value in communicated someone else my they may or may not get it right grew creek creek. And so that's why it's important to understand one of the most important things in terms of branding release boundaries. It's it's understanding your value system and what you stand for and what should won't stand for and ah you know again because we follow each other I follow you. I think you do an excellent job of talking about what you stand for and which you will not stand name for and It it it needs to be very clear so people know how to engage appropriately right and a engagement is something in which And then also the right person. Engaged the thing about being a brand that People actually the what you're doing they need you and being a brand is not about you but it's how to help others. Yes and that's the thing that I try to tell people that it's a selfish activities actually Less activity because which you're doing is as you're making yourself available to those people who need your notes access access to you. I'm not saying you have to give them your cell phone number so I'm not even saying that you'd have to give them your email address rack. That's why we have social networks that they have a question they engage with. You engaged back. That's what that's even what creating friends is. It's not it's not the definition of As we know it because that's only about five. What less people English Circle Having Friends of mine here is? You'd like to engage with me. I like incumbent engage with you. Let's be friends right. And how can I support you. You bring up a very good point you know people get excited about the vanity likes and measures that Oh that content content went out there. It only got three likes the business happens in the DMC agree and actually got a lot more engaged and when I started telling default. Dm Me let me tell you something. People people want to but they feel like I'm being being intrusive or it's taboo but if you give them permission why I'm cure. What Post you see the? It's hey and topped unreal talk. To matter of fact you want to schedule The author knew if you want to schedule a time me go ahead. I can't home. who like clock because it's about own on accessible permission to a bjork voyeuristic so and even so if you want salts without anybody knowing your business usually and you know what you run into that linked in that's that's one of the hesitancy in you probably found this too because people are present Arlington? And they're very aware that their colleagues maybe freeman their bosses or even their supervisors are there. So they're very aware of what they share. What they live with it but if you are able aw to have access to somebody in their? DM's you can have a conversation. That's GONNA be accessible to those people that you feel are judging correct. Correct an S. S. Y. direct message appropriately businesses done. Em You know It done appropriately ineffectively. And let me say I say this. Not Not era get lead not not radicals Asli. I've I built my business offer too late to indirect message like literally you know. It's as people engage. The key here is though. If you're going to make this upper accessible you have to respond and you have to be able to keep up with it and so we're businesses fail. Is that when you invite I people but they show up and then there's no follow. That's that's where I see a lot of people that into gain pain when they failed actually more haunting because follow to sucks right so we have to have to follow and treat this this his somebody asked me and this is this is where I realized that I won't let me email any like people will send me. Emails does a lot slower because I've become in my happiness social first and Best S. because that's where the predominance of my activity in my engagement in my pisses and about multiple platforms Lake Dennis. Great you but you also eight I g I alone and let me tell you some of these subsequent black whoops be buzz. They allied at take. Tell you different stories instagram. I love the stories feature more than anything else. It gives you like reality. TV It is is the equivalent of reality. TV and you can create your own reality TV show each and every day back and it went show ends in a disappears. Another show up and you'll find really good point point about that in detail in what the stories about you have to be intentional about it. Sometimes people get an IT stories and ages have a random thing showing up. Don't understand why people exit but you gotTa keep them on the hook. I did something just yesterday day when I posted the trademark registration that I had gotten in the mail story behind the trademark and it was a story my friend. They passed away so so after. I posted the great picture of me. You know with with the drug war advocate. I actually posted a picture of him and said go to my. It stories and I literally unfolded that whole story of Canada. And my my podcast and people are just like we boohooing and my. DM's right because the thing about these home is all up story. People love stories and stories stories. Connect to humanity within people. That's why people say I wouldn't listen to you. Know X number of minutes of content. I said well yes. You will matter of fact you'll listen you'll you'll institue behind the three hours with movie adventures in Game Okay. But what they've done here. Is they established. Abolition affinity they introduce you to them and then now they just now at the whatever they put out they have audience to treat your. You have to to treat your social media like you haven't thank you have safer networks. Do Networks field audience around specific shows it can be it. Networks networks showed the same thing every day then they will lead out a whole truckload of people. That's why they have to have different. Different audience members a different programming. Because by doing that they attract different people in different people's attention at different times so content and you're saying anymore time same way the same way as trainers like okay. You know what today we do a legs tomorrow. We asked him all right to kind of the body up so all ran guessing. That's how you wrote. Well you know this is what I encourage my clients and the brands that I work with to the to really understand the value proposition because that value proposition is going to drive the kinds of content. That you share. It's going to be very mary but it's going to be tied to your stupid thing about it here. You say dying proposition. That that's a big old or let me let me tell right. which is what problem? Are us a the problem who needs me. The most ranked problem solving that problem solving. Oh you saw before four Nisan thing down you got all the way down. You got to eat Pacific Pacific go to take Pacific. I love it. I love it so nick. Tell me a little bit about yourself. We know your family means he's looked at it and you told me that you've been in branding and marketing for years. To twenty was right a store. Can I call myself a promise of sick I paid. Ah then you know figuring it out and what I say Earth Punch I astrid out of Grad School. Who Does what I got my field? They only wanted to pay me fifty thousand dollars a year. I answered so a in the. It did it. When I feel because they wanted to teach me how to Code? I was accentuated Anderson Consulting and I didn't know anything about that kicked off my first project but aw figured out that you know what I'm with people with managing this all became a project manager a program manager and did that for years my last stint was with ups where I was mobile program manager doing very well on my traffic. It'll go watch but then I said you know what this is not what I'm here for started my company liquids solve with a fraternity brother. And we got you know engagement with major rations and then what specifically within entertainment and because we have other thirty brothers more specifically will paddles takeover Hollywood and others that were just starting their career. Such timing having with everything so we piggyback Nad in started entertainment marketing firm which Iran for about twenty years until I just got pushed in another direction direction and then I said well you know what I'm starting as low branding. And so I came with ramp renewal started hallowed my shingle in November in seventeen verse twelve months. Burn money like literally burning through savings. Because it's kind of just trying to figure out what it is doing so But it's you know I tried that. I feel that ultimately our favorite out. That is the entrepreneur's journey right. I've got to stop and say this to listeners. That is a signature message. Did you see the way. He developed that in organize it so it was very easy easy to understand. You talk about the three fs three times and on the student as students or those people have to be perfect. All the time perfection entrepreneurship. Jewish is let me let me try damaging were or them. Okay this event I gotta get these people that are. Oh my God ain't nobody signed up anybody signing off. They finally show or jackets. Or you hit it. It's I mean me. He's like literally your cost in the about it here. It many times you doing this by himself for no words is is so is the loveliest history. But it's the most exhilarating thing figure absolute right so I just tell people don't don't don't think is this. You know wonderful I Uh-huh you got you know what I'm up at. Three o'clock in the morning Edmund. For those in as sexy right. Yeah this is why I I show up on the PODCASTS. Sometimes on my little tidbits that I'll put out there video maker but this is real than others. Don't let me tell you some visiting is named. Especially when I'm so glad you sit especially in my view survey Amar make. Let me taste taste of it your insights and giving people information. They accused Green. They don't thankfully you looked like Bryant. Uh exactly but in Q.. Superficial saying nothing. Yes next What you think I think the importance of authenticity now that the context of it everything around us is fate? We are in Age Searching For wets real real. And when we say we're GONNA stop scrolling. We will start like okay in this world of fakeness I I mean we swim in it especially online we turn on the television shoot. You turn the corner. Things just aren't real new so we're in a dire your physician define what's real. And when we discovery we OUGHTA WE DO over we're endeared so important important but the thing about it is authenticity is important because there's something people out there that claim they do certain things right and The inherent nature people is as we are driven by emotion senior. Right and we'd look for people things that make us feel certain way or solve a problem that we have we feel do it or you present yourself in let me tell you the value of authenticity the value of authenticity and showing yourself to do a certain thing consistently back in the day. The way referrals worked here is hey anita mechanic. Joe Has worked on my car for years. Go See Joe. He's artist and Dan. He will give you a fair price. You referrals came by actually having relationship and actual experience experience with that person. Now let me tell you how referrals come online. You know what. Hey I follow. uh-huh somebody and I think that they might be able to assist you now with them before but they looked like everybody everybody. Everybody says that seems to have experienced and I think they might be great for you. Why don't you go ahead? It reach out. That's the way referrals right now. Amazon changed the whole game with the whole concept of reviews. I you know that's what people look for. Nowadays they'll even DM your clients and said Hey what what was your experience right. And so he furrows are different nowadays where it had to be You had to have engagement with the person directly not necessarily hitting many for referral. Just come from people saying well you we know what someone so soya line Out looked at your profile. Right and business. This comes from their argument to be found searchable. Yes you have a presence because people people can do and they want they want the same way that Michelle. You not want to go a shop for car on from Carlisle to Carla. It's not even more you want to search on. You'll have an idea of this hype according but you're going to search online and see what it looks like the interior light reviews how Michelle eating paid for. All of this stuff is done privacy Z.. Of Your own home. And that's what people do with people that they Jackson. They won't be able to tested. Try now now see it in action and then they feel so good fit then they will engage in. You want that also because if not do it Ryan is not wishing you selling himself. You've already soldier self. Your mind presence has sold you. All you're doing. The is negotiating price. You know you raise a very good point. In an also underscored the reason why vanity metrics should not try you you because all of that activity that you just described was not a light wasn't even comment that means that and I'm life the way linked in actually shows you've us because there's more action going on behind the scenes. They even aware era and one day they show up in your DM's or you could call right after all that homework and groundwork and all of that stuff has has been done Roy Tell people all the time just because you don't think that content has performed. You shouldn't take it down. It's okay if you didn't get X.. Amount Life for the first ten minutes taken down now. Lebron up. People always Watchi- she they're not only a few few people who actually live in common. Just most people ristic and they just look they watch and then make perceptions options and they judged then it's an advertising they call it in a Russian the thing about people events. Then what's the period. Is that mature your your rate at which you do your great she do. But you are absolutely forgettable. And I don't mean that in any negative one saying said you always have to consistently be top of modern because that's the movies nowadays. If I need something who who are going to go up the person's top of mind right everything's leading. Libya's is you have to remind them consistently simply in the agency business. Always tell people you start a business you are always winning the business and a okay every minute. You're pitching the business. You Hugh embry a second stop selling and the thing about it years many people just. I just don't like something. They don't like selling themselves. They feel like they're not being humble as they say black church humble humble humble but we know what you're thinking of selling doing right anyway curry relationship you own doing is is. I'm giving you what you want. I'm allowing you to see what it is and I'm doing it in a way and I'm an inviting you to connect with me. If you feel that I'm good fit. That's it out. It's called call to Action Action. That's where most people feel is that they have a call to action and they wonder why we know what he's hoping to do this up reaching out to did you invite them to another alert. Will Black shirt black shirt at the very end ask. The Pastor has preached well. Won't you come so the doors at the Church of the Church Open. Yes I want to come is good enough. Passan is absolutely three points in donahue in. Won't Y'all reiterated install. Yeah there's a lot you can learn about life and relationships right near the church. But I'll start preachy. The they got a hold of the same thing learned about marketing alert church. I'll tell you about that later. Yeah I like a Ah Mike that is that content online just keeps bro. Everybody online nick. All things of I built a big big is still working actually say the home backyard active. I saw starting to get more engagement passing. Not Be People Adele so here in August are marching next of big things and brings the rain social your brand from zero to ninety days and that's without providing to be opposed and just limited so good work really coming on the listeners. Were thrilled that rich information from you. John Thank you. What an amazing conversation with Nick Nelson the brand Puna work? Hey I'm pretty busy right now. I can't wait to see you. The Matt Three Career Services One gay drive in the park has deserve reduction of no size communication Gatien. The culture soup podcast is a registered trademark mark of no silos communications L L C.

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Highlights from MJBizCon

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Highlights from MJBizCon

"Thanks to quip for supporting market fully. Join over three million healthy mouths and check everyone off your gift list right now with quip just go to get quip dot com slash fool to save on gift sets and get your first refill free with a refill plan. Monday December sixteenth sixteenth. Welcome to market foolery. I'm Chris Hill with me in studio today. She's back from a week away from full Emily Flip and thanks for being here. Thanks for having me so so last week. Forty thousand people from seventy five countries descended upon Las Vegas. For 'em Jay. Bilas Khan the biggest cannabis abyss conference in the world. You were one of them. There were a few people from full headquarters who went. Let's start with this. What's your headline for? This year's 'em Jay bilas discount. Yeah I mean look. It doubled in size year-by-year so part of me wants to say the headlines. Something like cowboys put on suits. You know it's still the wild wild west and cannabis and the reason why that analogies top of head is because in addition to 'em Jay Bilas Khan happening Las Vegas and the Las Vegas Conference Center. There is also I. I think it was a national rodeo convention happening in the same center next door. And there's something just so appropriate about that to me because in a lot of ways that people we we saw at Md.. Kahn this year. You know they're. They're very different than the people we saw last year. And they're still new. They're still entrepreneurs are still just getting started in a really really untracked industry but the same time they're they're making a business out of it and so that's very clear. That's pretty amazing that the size of the conference doubled year over year. It doesn't surprise surprised that it grew but the fact that it doubled is pretty astonishing and my assumption is that you had a lot of new faces. A A lot and to your point Some of the faces that were there in two thousand eighteen. Probably weren't there this time around Wh what was the general mood of the conference the French because the headlines going into it from a business standpoint a lot of the headlines I saw were about the biggest players. Here's the biggest public companies in the cannabis space and they're smaller than they were a year ago you know. CNBC had a story about the six. Biggest public. Companies in cannabis have lost a collective twenty five billion dollars worth of market cap as a result. was that reflected in the mood or was it more upbeat than that. Not really no and I think that's probably again to the people who are listening to this. PODCAST US in. Our jobs are focused so much on the public markets that we forget about the industry as a whole and we forget that industries exist even where public market retail investors. Do not so what was surprising about injustice Konta me as somebody who has followed that cannabis market over the past year and Sceni- drink was the fact that there is still so much optimism. I mean in a Lotta ways. I'm Jay Bilas Khan is aimed at entrepreneurs it's m j Biz Con. It's aimed aimed at small businesses. And the reason why it doubled your ears because there's so many more small businesses in cannabis today then. There was a year ago. And so the mood I would not describe describe as down because of the public markets. No I don't think anybody there really cared unless you're coming as a retail investor. You're just interested in the space. Nobody there who was working really really cared about you. Know the market cap of canopy growth. Right I'm a CD company operating in Oregon. I'm not worried about the Canadian cannabis. Market for instance however however it was a kind of negative sentiments simply because of the steps that our government has taken here in the US which has hurt the ability for these businesses to grow. So there's a lot of I guess disappointment around the safe banking act really becoming stagnant and in the Senate right not moving past the house. There's fear about the FDA's seeming crackdown on CBD companies here in the US. I mean it was all these regulatory hurdles which are making people really afraid. Were very very different than what you may expect from the public markets being down. was that a counterbalanced in any way. By talk of states that are are going to have some form of cannabis of either decriminalization or legalization on the ballot. In twenty twenty I know and and part of the reason I ask. That is is because there is an expectation that the state legislature will pass some source sort of decriminalization in two thousand twenty. That news article actually broke about Virginia. While you're at an MD.. Kahn and the day before we had actually had a panel about you know where where do experts in the field. You'll see the most opportunity for cannabis on a state level next and the overwhelming consensus was. Virginia I honestly scoffed a little bit. I think it's easy for people to forget. Just how big it just how Conservative Virginia really is a states but yeah it seems like decriminalization at least could be a reality for twenty twenty. Here's the problem. It's easy to be very very positive and frame up cannabis as Domino's and I do think that is an essential domino effect. However the states legalized cannabis with the exception of Illinois? Annoy which will legalize on January first in two thousand twenty is they via ballot initiative which is not an the best way to legalise cannabis because yet to iron out all the details and we saw two states which are really expected to pass legalisation in two thousand nineteen. That's New York and New Jersey Fail to do so and twenty nine thousand nine simply because they couldn't iron out those little details so I think it's easy to say there's a general consensus around most people. Most Americans that cannabis should at least be decriminalised. Why has nothing been done? What about on the state level for a lot of these bigger more liberal states and the reality is it's really hard to get everybody on the same page about those little details though going to twenty twenty? I'm I'm hopeful. That states will have it on their November twenty twenty ballots something regarding decriminalization legalization of cannabis improving their medical programs. But when push comes to shove politicians are politicians and you get stuck up in the granularity well and it goes back to something you touched on just with reference to banking you know you can and you can pass a legalization given state but if the infrastructure for the businesses again to go back to the conference. This is a group of entrepreneurs if they don't have the underlying support system particularly when it comes to banking but other support services as well then They're going to struggle are the part of the reason. Why M J BIZ CON is so popular is because they don't have the support system and NJ based con acts as support system so if you're missing something? He was an entrepreneur. Have the ability to head out to nj I'm Jay based CON and make connections that you don't really get the opportunity to make otherwise so I think it's filling in needed whole but nothing can really fill the hole that is the government regulatory regulatory actions which everybody has just been praying for for the past year. As you mentioned. One of the breakout sessions. You went to. I know you were very busy. You were going to a lot of breakout sessions conducting getting a lot of interviews not looking to play favorites necessarily but wh what is either a breakout session or a person that you interviewed that struck you as particularly clearly interesting. There were a number of lawyers that we had the opportunity to talk to which I always find super interesting. Because I'm not a lawyer by trade myself but the space Seems to be acting in a sense of you. Don't know what's wrong until you get a lawsuit over it. Lawyers Accountants all these people are framing their businesses around around mistakes that have already been made in the space so a lot of people I mean. Virtually every person we interviewed was kind of you know I go back to that headline is it's the wild wild west. You are acting in government in a regulatory structure. That's extremely uncertain. So you don't even know what's legal to do until you try to do. It's so a lot of companies are being more aggressive and doing stuff that could potentially get them in regulatory trouble trouble and a lot of people are doing stuff. That's more conservative. A little bit more in line. They see the regulations panning out but are really hampering. Their growth see again. I just continue to be reminded by the underlying system. And how a I. It's a great line about you. Know you never know what's wrong until the lawsuit pops up but but yeah that's just one more thing where whether it's at a federal level or state by State Level One lawsuit leads to court action leads to possibly an appeal of some sort. The judges have to weigh in so seems like it's all moving a little bit more slowly than than certainly the entrepreneurs would like. Yeah I mean the FDA for instance in two thousand nine hundred expected have guidance for CBD companies here in the US by by the end of the year and they asked for research they sent out that request for research and they got none back. And you know why because it's really hard to get research grade cannabis consider. Yeah takes time. It takes time. And it's it's a schedule one substance right so the fact is is that you can't legally get medical research research grade cannabis in the US at least not readily accessible. So the fact is nobody has the research the research takes time. And what does the FDA do they take what little battery search search they have a study on rats. Actually that shows that if you give them absurd amounts of CBD it causes liver failure and tell people CBD Causes Liver failure and you know what that does to every CBD business here in the US makes their job twenty times harder when they have research right and people have been using CD and have different antidoto research. That says the only if you take thirty times your body weight and so does it. Cause a problem and there are a number of substances out there that aren't regulated like this Vitamin D. Where have you take lots and lots? Lots of it causes issues. Anything causes issues. It's like we saw earlier this year with vaping where one of the one of the challenges around the vaping industry is we have decades worth of research around what cigarettes do to the human body There is not decades of research of what vaping does the human body because it hasn't been around for decades so yeah and it very well could be very negative so the eminem frame this all very positively. There's nothing wrong. There's nothing wrong. They being there could be but the point is that we we don't know yet and that takes time and it causes uncertainty for most of these businesses. Quick Shoutout to quip as I'm sure everyone's aware of the holiday shopping season is here in this year. Your gift can start. Next year's good habit with quip quip is something that is sure to put a smile on everyone's mouth because it's dental care that people will actually wanNA use every today. The quip electric toothbrush has sensitive sonic vibrations and a timer with thirty second pulses to guide your routine and the floss dispenser has pre marked strings. So so you always use the right amount. Plus quip delivers fresh. Brush heads floss and toothpaste refills. Every three months we had a bunch of people here at the full who used quip. I gotta put this on my Christmas list. Because I'm you know I still got time. You can go to get quick dot com slash fool to save on gift sets and your first. Refill is free with a refill. Plan again your first refill free when you go to get quick dot com slash food. That's G. T. K. U. IP IP DOT com slash. Full get quip dot com slash full. Are I have to ask because I'm always interested in this. Whenever anyone from the mouth full goes to to a conference particularly in Las Vegas? What's the strangest thing you saw on the convention floor? I mean it's a matt was over a quarter million square feet of convention space. What is the the? What is the booth that you went by and did a double take because you're like what in the world is that? There are so many things and for marijuana masters members out there wrote an entire dispatch dispatch about the interesting stuff that I saw. I mean there are companies that are incorporating a I in a are into their products and labeling and but I think the strangest thing I saw actually wasn't on the a convention for our team had the ability to go to planet thirteen which is public trade company and it's the largest cannabis dispensary in the world Went down there are met with management and the COSIO said. Oh have you seen the airshow yet. The air show on the air show and we have no idea what he's talking about the air show so he brings us down to the dispensary floor. And he's like okay. Look up and I there's a special orbs is what he called them but essentially they had imported these orbs from in Germany program to fly around the ceiling of the dispensary. kind of like a light. Show that you'd expect you're on Christmas music and Christmas lights. But with a-this cannabis orbs so that was in general. Probably the strangest thing but also moves entertaining thing that we saw I. I don't know what I expected you to say. But Flying Cannabis was definitely not on the list. One or two things separate from the conference. Did you get a chance to hit the gaming aiming tables. Did you get a chance to get a good meal a lot of good restaurants in Vegas. Well I'm always good at eating. I do not gamble though and I unfortunately saw some people who are very upset. Ah there you know losses gambling. That always reminds me that that's usually a good decision. You know what the funniest thing was is what we were. Super busy at the convention was my first time in Las Vegas. You know so I had the ability to kind of walk around and see all the people drinking on the street it was very absurd but are huge analysts. You came with us. He had never been to an in and out Burger before. Yep so out of all the things eight in Las Vegas we all really we have to go to in and out right. He's never had it and what was his review. He's he's a very reserved person in the sense that he doesn't get super excited the way that I do about you know in and out Burgers milkshakes but he was very very positive on it which makes me think that the average a person would have blown their mind in in his own quiet. Or that's how I'm interpreting it though you know. I want to believe that. That was his reaction being a vegetarian. Now I unfortunately had to sit there and watch them eat those delicious burgers. You didn't get a milk shake you did. I did get a milkshake. I got shaken. I did my fries in it which you know grossly upset a lot of people at the table. Well look anyone who's ever been to Las Vegas for a conference knows that you're spending a lot of time in your feet if you've got a step counter you're logging a lot of miles. You know someone with eight to ten miles easy when you're on your feet all day to copy more than earned the trip fever better about my life choices family put. Thanks for being always the formal conditions for to buy or sell stocks. So that's GonNa do it for this edition. Shows Mixed by the end boards himself. Golf extra listening and a okay. Thanks uh-huh uh-huh

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The Day Of Bitcoin Reckoning?

The Trader Cobb Crypto Podcast

07:07 min | 1 year ago

The Day Of Bitcoin Reckoning?

"London listen up we will be with you taking a checklist by trading strategies on the back of the say-say form October twelve at the Queen Elizabeth Conference Prince Center. If you want to learn these trick was based trading strategies employed for quite some time you Wanna learn it in person. Get yourself booked. Now we have thousands of people let's say say form and the event will sell out quickly from there we move on to Malta on the ninth of November. It'll be at the Intercontinental Hotel in multiple also backing talking on to the back of an event which Mulbah and blockchain summit a guy thousands of people expected to get you'll quickly for multi straight across the pond a Singaporean fool November sixteen at Marina Bay sands another event we attacking onto the end of which is called block show again this thousands of people so if you WANNA come along get in there quick finally back in Sydney on the twenty third and twenty fourth at the Ridges World Squares with be London Malta Singapore unique to get yourself along to these events. If you WANNA learn the Chiklis based training that use daily very simple stuff guys gotta try to call Dot Com forward slash global and book your spot right now l. l. everybody will go cryptic vodkas type. You are well on multiple. We are on how I forget to get along. Of course. I'm looking forward to going to be very tired but I'm not right now. Finally caught up rest and feeling fantastic. 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It is up three point eight percent but it's certainly not something of interest or a Harley. TRY TO MIND IMA- Bitcoin Survey Veigh Dan yesterday twenty five percent is well outfought percents. Sorry Donald Three point night since this eighty seven dollars flat sum up five percents cents a another one. That's not really of interest for me. for trading shorts or cost. Amok Rodney sites still does look a little bit messy is still doesn't look so he still does is look a little bit confused a little bit whitewash and bit tricky so I'm happy to sit back and why did you guys the Bitcoin Pez the notice on my scan this morning where the opportunity attorney and that's the area which will be spending a little bit more. Tom Ado in there. and I will be potentially attacking type time waiting for the setups to yet to set up and in the instance of the Excel paise coins ten o'clock will be the first of all the check to see how a guy and throughout the dial keeping an eye on those potential shorts Luella nothing nothing more to the market bounced carry back to the upside but for the time being. I'm just going to try what I say and what I'm saying at the moment is a little bit of a mess against the US day with a big moves in as a sort itself about and whether it continues the mocking obey all be trading trends and I'll be around when you're ready have dig- is we'll speak again soon bye now. London listen up way we'll be with you taking a checklist buys trading strategies on the back of the say-say form October twelve at the Queen Elizabeth Conference Center. If you want to learn these trick was based trading strategies employed for quite some time you Wanna learn it in person. Get your self booked. 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What to do at CSM Outside of the Conference with James Spencer, Patrick Berner and Monique Caruth

PT Pintcast - Physical Therapy

33:28 min | 10 months ago

What to do at CSM Outside of the Conference with James Spencer, Patrick Berner and Monique Caruth

"Hey Jimmy here before we get started today just wanted to say thanks to Arias medical staffing for supporting the show Aureus. They're the experts in medical staffing with rewarding travel travel and full-time PT PTA. Jobs available nationwide for skilled therapists. Like you travel the country build your resume or make new friends or you will find the perfect job in a location. That's calling you and they'll provide you with full support every step of the way a U. R. E. US Medical Michael Dot com eight. Oh Am twenty twenty that stands for annual Orthopedic Meeting of the Academy of Orthopedic Physical Therapy their big big conference April April third and fourth in Twenty Twenty in Minneapolis Saint Paul Mall of America head Spine and shoulder disorders integration over isolation is the topic this year. What will you learn? Why should you go highlighting the orthopedic investigator factors affecting patients with concussion? Injuries Interconnection of head and neck complex relationship between the neck can shoulder lab breakouts focused on skill acquisition. That's what you're going to get aerial Giordano Rob Lendl Joseph Gouges Paul Ludwig and Lieutenant Colonel James t mills are featured speakers checkout more at or so pt dot Org Blue Hill kind of attraction to it is that you're setting the insurance overlords. You're not beholden to anybody. But you in the patient was patient on from you what you have to offer them. I think it's really rewarding work because Euler cutting out some of the control so you're able to do what people really need practice looking at. CSM previews we. We do a lot of those look at it some programming most of the time giving you some things to look forward to maybe attend as you go to a big meeting today bringing James Spencer. James Ferry collected background travel physical therapist for a long time. Now he's doing something completely different in terms of what working for a facility and a little bit of concierge. PT Plus lives in Colorado. So I want to a little bit of local insight into the things that you should do outside of the conference center. Yeah I'm talking about what should you do while you're in Denver. You'RE GOING TO BE IN DENVER. Do Cool Denver things so we get inside James's brain there and talk a little bit about the Academy of Orthopedic Physical Therapist which he is a member in good standing of that Academy episode is brought to you by Owens recovery signs. They're a single source for. PT's looking for certification in personalized blood flow restriction rehabilitation training and the equipment. You need to apply properly in clinical practice. Find Online at Owens recovery. Science Dot Com on that Website research information about BF. Our training and application. And if you'd like to get certified Johnny and the team. They are the leaders in B. F. R. Certification. So see them first and listen to them. First Johnny's got his own podcast on itunes. The Owens Recovery Science podcast. The best conversations happen at happy happy hour. Welcome to ours forum award. This is the P.. T. podcast here's your host physical therapist. Jimmy Mackay leadoff like we usually do by saying thank you thank you. Thank you The reviews on itunes those are great selfishly because of an ego maniac but also because it lets us know the number one that someone's listening a number two what you WanNa hear when people give us their insight. It kind of helps us into programming. What else do we get on the show? Who else should we get on the show? So thank you Sharon. Sharon stuff online is the the biggest thing you can give really telling a friend telling a colleague and subscribing to the podcast on whatever platforms you. Listen to audio. Would that be I tunes the Almighty tunes or spotify Google play or a million other pod catchers out there so thank you thank you thank you. We've been doing a lot of pre stuff stuff and we're gonNA continue that tradition but completely spin it on its head as we bring back James Spencer to the show. Welcome back man to be back here. We've looked at a a lot of programming done previews we do that before we go to a conference I find some stuff I think is interesting. We bring the person WHO's presenting or an author on talk about it. It gives people some some insight into some programming. They may want to see or some things they might want to look up. But you and I want to do something a little bit different because your local to Denver Ver- where CSM is going to be this year. So you got like inside knowledge. And that's what we want to pick your brain four. I Yeah I hope so I hang Out in Denver a bit. I live A little ways outside in Aspen Colorado. So you know that's really what I want to push everybody to either before or after go get on. The ski slopes in a day or two out in the mountain yeah. I'm trying very hard to not say where the beer flows like wine but there it goes. I just said it like geography wise because I been there before to Denver Not Aspen. What's the distance between the two you know at the girls lives? We're not too far but I spent four hour drive okay. Up Over Mountain Mountain passes and around the hills and then back down our little valley here all right so Wilbert shorter in the summer. I said you were local. I'm in New York your your local to Denver. But you've spent some time there and so what I wanted to do is pick the brain of someone who knows it way better than me because again. I don't know the difference distance between Denver and Aspen. Aspen they could have been next to each other. You could tell me that I wouldn't difference so when people because Colorado Aspen Denver like it's a destination I mean it's a place people oh put on their calendar to go to. I wanted to give people some insight into some things. They must do outside of the conference. Yes coining corning l'excellent this fantastic go learn go network do the whole nine but also make sure to do something cool because as my dad told me. Hey man one day we're all GONNA be dirt dirt which sounds really morbid but what it means is do some cool stuff while you have the opportunity especially when you're in a cool city like Denver so if someone's coming into to Denver you you know what what's on your list to tell him. Do you know I think it's Kinda racking. My brain of all the different things have gone into Denver for the year and One Is Red Rock. It's not real close to the conference center but it's you know. Maybe a thirty minute Uber Ride and last night looking at PRICES ON UBER or lift. It was thirty bucks to get over there and they have these great outdoor concert fully natural amphitheatre just a really unique place and and there's not a whole lot going on for concerts during. CSM There is some local music there but they have hiking trails and the the Colorado Music Hall of fame and a bunch of other stuff that you could easily fill a day where it's it's not just an evening. Yeah Red rocks killer suggestion number one all out myself. I'm Dave Matthews Band Fan and they recorded a pretty great Album out there live album had a chance is to To kind of you know. Hike the steps hike around there a little bit. It is worth the trip. If if you're looking to get out and do some moving maybe WANNA get up early one day or you're GonNa stay a day later come a day early yet. Red Rocks being not terribly close but also not terribly far and you mentioned the museum as a guy who used to work in rock radio. Oh man they got some really cool like guitars and just photos of the legendary performers Supernova. So if your music fan red rocks pretty cool to check out. I'd say it's definitely worth the ride there and back Walker on over there. There really is We had Matt Tuttle from the Denver Nuggets on not long ago and I actually creeped on his Twitter instagram and saw that they actually do some Denver Nuggets preseason training they make the I think it was just the rookie. Though they're making the rookies run the steps at red rocks which which is Kinda cool that even the even the the Denver Nuggets are using red rocks as a way to get some exercise. That's so cool. I thought that through some great shots. Heck yeah moving on what else so at red rocks definitely pretty good thing to start with. What else do you suggest people check out? I think A areas of the city to just hang out larimer square square is known for its restaurants nightlife and and everything going on there but then and then drilling where I've hung out. It's on Blake Street. Kinda leads away from their up towards course feel hill. And there's some cool places to hang out along there and and I really you know when I think of Denver. I think you gotta Lay from rise on course field up there as well mentioning mentioning chorus field. We do WanNa bring up something that is you know local to Denver but also specific to CSM PT pub. Night is going to be on Thursday that that is the Thursday the thirteenth of of CSM from six attend the PTA. Pub night will be at Jackson's Denver. That is a bar right across the street right from From course fields. Here's what I know about them. The sports bar lots of room lots of beers on tap and not far from the conference itself. So I'm GonNa make sure checkup I got pt pub night. We'll be doing some interviews live on site from that night at Jackson's Denver so we'll see you guys out there. If you want more information about that and you want to preregister preregister maybe get yourself a free t shirt give those sometimes follow at night on twitter all right so that's that's CSM. I'm excited fingers crossed on the the weather. A ton of snow up there this year in Colorado or has it looked like for you guys. You know a lot of snow in the mountains. We'd be getting little storms and it's fantastic out here but but but Denver's really Variable this time if you're looking earlier this week it was Thirty degrees they're supposed to be seventy this coming week. It could be anything and everything. That's cleanser is so variable as New York looking at Denver. You know all we know is was just super cold and then that's what I've heard from people like listen man. Denver could be just as you said seventy or thirty so I guess pack accordingly when you're headed out there to the mile high city all right so that's our that's are inside. Look with with James Spencer Sam. Let's talk about something specific to you. I give people just kind of snapshot of what you did talk about the first time we had you on the show but I think your story is pretty pretty cool to tell again just your journey through travel pt. And what you're able to do with it. Yeah I mean it's been a a lot of years since we've talked about my travel so until about three years ago I was traveling with my wife and I just kind of unintentionally intentionally we ended up coming out to Colorado in the wintertime and then we were going elsewhere in the summertime so often go back to New England in the summer. I'm from author author and she's from Maine and often go to Hawaii in the summertime. We did that war about ten or eleven years we kept it going for awhile and it was fantastic was an awesome lifestyle but eventually came around. I haven't kids and needling needing to settle down a little bit here in Colorado I whenever travel. PT comes comes up and people talk about really the things that they're looking for. Someone brings up flexibility. You're the Guy I talk about. I'm like I know this guy's Spencer. He would do like Hawaii. Colorado Massachusetts Colorado Wherever Colorado and. It was just cool to see that. That's an option like it's not like hey you could do that. It's like hey someone did that. So it's completely possible so I just love I just love bringing that up. And you've you sent me what I thought was the coolest pint cast souvenir in your ever. Tell people what you mailed you you you mailed something to me and I opened it simply confused. But I fell in love immediately Hawaiian coconut and And and we're over on this rural island in Hawaii and and I don't WanNa say it's name because I don't want to get it out there too much. Ah I guess we'd Love Hawaii but not this way and there's this guy get area in the Post Office he inspects the coconuts. Make sure they're not carrying any decision. Coconut weeble and and I painted up the coconut and you slap stance on it and stick it right in the mailbox and offer goes just shows up in the mail wherever you'd like so yeah one day one day I'm sitting there and and A coconut with stamps. On it legitimately was not wrapped. Arrives but ahead pete the pint. Our podcast logo just painted on the side. That will about a whole lot Mike. My whole fantasy league got some of my coconuts with tracks on your it is. It is brilliant kind of my move that summer. That's that's still in my possession shirow display it proudly so you mentioned having kids and settling down and not doing the travel thing that you did so well for so long. But I'd say you settled in a pretty cool malaria. So what if you got into now wanted to get into this niche this other thing our profession. I don't know so flexible to use a physical therapy upon a lot of range of motion there in terms of your career you're doing a little bit of concierge. Pt and that's the thing that's you know fifteen years ago wasn't possible but completely possible now. Oh Yeah Yeah you know I mean you know that there's just there's so much we can do without passion whether that'd be clinically or I've always felt like if I ever got really tired but clinical stuff you know you could go to add because she got you insurance where you could do. I mean there's so many places you can go and we talked a little bit about the traveling I miss that so much just all all the different experiences that I got through that what I have settled down here in a in a pretty good situation In in in a in a fulltime job at a hospital but my wife and I started Ajax physical therapy a mobile concierge peachy practice primarily her on it but I dabble in it as well and and that's taking cash base based pt to to people who see the value in it or loan to pay for it and you know around here. There is an actual an affluent population that we thought those would be our people that we are really getting but we're finding that it's religious locals who want good. PT Want it to come to them and see value in having the right person working on. How did you When you when you hung the slate as you say how did you go about trying to find? Those people are connect or just letting them know that you know you exist and that this service is now available to them from you largely word of mouth around your won't put up a website and facebook page and did all those sorts of things which I think have driven a couple of people with the largely. It's just been people we know saying you know talking to someone and that person needs some physical therapy. I don't know where to go. Oh Hey my my friends Keaton. Jane are Therapists and they've started their own business. And why are you tried contacting. I'm not that's really where people have come from as great just shows the variety of different settings settings that you can create in our profession. You can say. Hey I'll I'm GONNA do this on the side. I got a buddy ZAC Harmon who is out in Colorado. As well kind of started the same way had a fulltime job and then went to a couple of days a week I think was his you know. He wanted to dip a toe in it and see if it was viable and eventually he saw it was and I think that's I think that's that's really great. I remember hearing about concierge. P. T. or this idea not even that long ago I was GONNA say ten years ago but it had to be less and people were were saying campy done not sustainable annable. Don't bother going into it and now you see more and more. It is one hundred percent sustainable. And I'm guessing rewarding. What do you get out of it you know in terms of the intangible rewards you know I mean the the real kind of attraction to it is that you're setting the insurance overlords? Yeah you know you're you're not really. You're not beholden to anybody but you in the patient. What the patient on from you what you have to offer them? I think it's really rewarding work. Because you're you're you're cutting out some of the control so you're able to do what people really need. I think it's a great foreign practice you know I think we've hit on a lot of benefits. Just help expletives it is an and higher really able physically therapy more going to the patient I mean we say that a lot is make sure you meet the customer. You meet the patient where they are. I mean concierge. PT housecall physical therapy. That's the living embodiment of it. So I'm glad to To see you. You're living that to flexibility ability right. I mean that's that's really what your your travel career got to teach you or give. You was this flexibility and and continuing that but you did mention that you were also working for a facility. parttime at least is it slope side. Is that legit. Yeah Yeah I've been working so coming out here for the last however many years I've been working at the hospital little and occasionally at this little clinic that we have slope side on snowmass mountain. It originally started just as urgent care and emergency side of overtime Talton outpatient practice and just a few weeks ago I moved in into their full-time so Getting a little bit more skiing on my lunch breaks and staying scheme which I love that. That's great that's cool to hear here with James Spencer on the show If you can if you want to follow him online his His socials as the kids were calling it. These days on twitter on facebook at Hobo health. Begin the Ortho sexually mentioned advocacy. We're we're actually pairing up with the Ortho sections pretty excited to talk about it. Their annual meeting annual orthopedic. Meeting Twenty twenty. Have you been to one of these before. Yeah absolutely this was coming up April third and fourth focus. This year they do pick a focus head spine shoulder disorders integration over isolation. And it's going to be mall of America Minnesota not in the food court. I asked I got excited. But it's GonNa be at the Conference Center at the mall of America When I bring that up I know you're an active member of the orthopedic? I was GONNA say Section Academy of Orthopedic Physical Therapy. Pardon me you know. What about this meeting excites you? You know when I wear probably five or six years ago. I just found it to be great programming. You know I have a hard time this point finding good continuing ed or finding something that really drives me you know I think. CSM and the conferences are top of our profession. You know you get experts talking about things but at the same time huge student enrolling fellow population there them so so sometimes. I'm just looking for more advanced content and I think I found that in McAdams annual meeting just a higher level. It pushed me to think a little bit. It was new and it was great and it was coming from from the exports in our field. Yeah when we were looking into this one I. I've never been might be palm sugar this year. It's an April in Minnesota which is a pretty good time to be a minnesota. What I liked ached about it when I started doing the research and digging big enough to be interesting to get those people in the room that you're talking about but not overwhelming in terms of not so big that you feel like like you're just roaming around and it's you know? CSM its strength is its size but also part of its weakness can be. It's is what looked into so far having not been but just what I've heard and seen is that. AOL Look Big enough to be relevant and good but not so big that you're going to get swallowed up by it The one when I went through maybe at one hundred fifty people at it. We've been having tactic hands on manipulation labs and that sort of thing and that's the type of program that they try to bring. Yeah big focus on that. I know that they're listening to their audience as they prepare these each and every year there sponsor in the show right about now but One of their big focuses when they listen to the people who've taken the course or who would like to come back again is is that we just mentioned which that hands on component. Yes so I WANNA learn. WanNa listen but they don't WanNa do. I WANNA be able to question. I want to be a feel feel and then ask a question again instead of just being a gigantic lecture hall the Entire Day so details about that I'd be a bad podcastone. Must have shared that with the Ortho. PT Dot Org details for the annual Orthopedic Meeting Twenty Twenty available there. Anything anything else. You WanNa talk about that. We can squeeze in a top of mind. It's on your on your brain. No I didn't have anything prepared but but when you say that for some reason twenty twenty keeps coming to my mind autonomous practice during during profession direct access the other points. That aren't right up front of my brain and as we were talking about concierge. PT and travel PT and and Thinking about how some aspects of that. We're really heightening. I just hope that's something that everybody's talking about whether they're practicing is is really trying to provide the basketball. You can't and as experts in non surgical management musculoskeletal conditions. Yeah I think that's the talking one of our profession with with you doing so much advocacy we should let the. It's there Your state delegate. Writing in in Colorado. I'm actually going to be the Orthopedic Academy Delegate Nice All right so involvement involvement with within the profession of vision. Twenty twenty was. When was that brought about three four years ago? Maybe longer in terms of here of things I want to accomplish by twenty twenty which I'm sure when they set out to achieve it seemed like the future but all of a sudden we're in twenty twenty and it looks like a lot of those things got checked off the list in done. Yeah Yeah you know and a lot of them are kind of. They're moving targets. There's there are things to work towards. We have direct access in every state but we don't have complete open full full direct access state so there's still Goals to be achieved. But we're looking at a totally different profession than when they came up with that back in two thousand five or something bad I think the entire percussion change in that. Is that one that one vision twenty twenty one that long ago two thousand five or around back in that timeframe back in that time for written. Wow that's great yes so I guess you know probably going into the future people like you. Who are in the governing process of our profession ashes? You're going to have to pick a target like twenty thirty twenty forty twenty fifty and draw up some new new things to strive towards anything top of mind for you that you'd WanNa see the profession go towards in terms of solving. You know I I never really known. These are the kind of questions I ask myself just sitting there were some people back in the early. Two thousand were really visionary and saw where this Profession GonNa win and I kinda. I wonder how you get yourself there and get yourself a mind for him to be able to do that. You've got to be you've got to be really entrenched in stuff for a long time. I guess to see to really be able to say where we are now and to really say what great possibilities are in our future and need to be in our future so glad to see that and we'll see what comes out of House of delegates at the next conference which is not far off in June. This take the parting shots. The parting shot is brought to you by rock tape. 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If you're missing this one I really want to put the bug in your brain Make sure to plan to attend a meeting like this or a next to or national student. Conclave if you're a student he's big meetings you get got a lot out of them you get that energy you get that that connection so I think well said James appreciate the time giving us a preview of the the local flavor and we'll see in Denver boundary the we'll be right back to the time cast new step created the first PROC of its kind twenty five years ago. That was the new step. recumbent recumbent cross trainer now. It's a maintained rehab with physical therapists worldwide new step now continues its tradition of innovation with the new step transit. Another innovation in recumbent cross trainers for physical therapists delivering real time. biofeedback with this piece of equipment letting you use it. 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Just check them out and see what they have to offer. They've been doing this for a couple. Ah decades a U. R. E. U. S. medical dot com to the PT. Tynecastle with Jimmy Mackay next the CSM preview. We talked to Patrick Berner. Her and Mozambique Caruth got pretty inventive. Way To get in front of some people who might not have been in front of a physical therapist before and they're doing it in the community right where we always say. Physical therapist should be well. They're putting their effort. Their mouths is the P. T. tynecastle it's all that. CSM As we we get ready for the big dance the biggest dance in the profession. CSM COMING UP February twelfth fifteenth in the Mile High City of Denver as while more than seventeen eighteen thousand physical therapists are going to go to Colorado this year. Bring him back on the show. Patrick Berner and I think the first time on the program right now. Monique Caruth guys. Welcome to the show. You glad to talk to you guys because Near and dear to my heart is how do we help people not only in our clinical environment. But how how can we do it outside of that and you guys are pretty intimately involved with a project. That's going to be going on outside of the the walls of the conference center at CSM. And I WANNA talk about that you frame up for me what you guys are GonNa be doing and and really how it came about the initiative they were doing title. PT and the community. We end. It's one of the two a PTA community initiative that that are going on during the FM initiative and then the step challenge of people are familiar with at the teaching community. It's really kinda twofold and we're working with the Denver Public School system and then we're also working with the homeless population of the Denver area near the Convention Center so there's a fundraising apparent as a volunteer opportunity component right raising money for applies for the schools that majority of those public schools are a minority population. So it's underserved. Population and in the applies for Cam packages for the Homa opportunities ripened fruits on the ground care packages doing interactive stuck with the schools. We're their love that WHO's really going to get the benefit of this. Who who are the kids that that you're going to be helping the kind of paint that picture for the audience? The most of the kids in Denver Public School System with the net system is actually a hundred schools so with our our partnership that the Colorado thinks after has made with the public school system. And we're going to shoot the try and get into about ten or fifteen or the school that wins. They of him most of the the kid grammar school kind of middle school aged kids and like I said most of that population is a minority. By in kind of those under funded ended an underserved school systems at school locations like that and specifically. What are you guys doing there in the schools? What are you going to be bringing to the community meaner highlight that for me? Yeah so with the schools we have an assembly kind of map out right there with the schools that are participating are we got about forty five minutes minutes with the school with the kids. They're kind of an assembly style. Riding the goal is to educate them on their profession. If there's therapy but also Advocates them on healthy. Living Movement is important. Why healthy eating is important? You know getting enough sleep really trying to paint them a picture. What healthier living With an all throw you know let them know about our profession in that it is an option in the future. Something to look into Let's talk about big picture. Goals down the line Komo Nick. How's this going to make their lives better? How's it going to change things for the individuals that you guys get to come in contact with while all insist on bringing awareness to the profession? People are gonNA fall seeing different. Pharmacists therapy we been highlighting the onyx unexpected that affects people are what the get into the the and yet so we are going to be a large group bear. They're in studying folk when the food on the community So so do do for topic efforts. We've come here to transform them. I believe if the kids get to know what support back they've evolved and get the different people of all there's race ethnicity representing the profession. And we'll probably give them a women to pop wanted to come back intend. The homeland reached their offense from its mission that we ran a treat. We treat them if they can receive. Ah from us. He actually goes to. Let's say to me that's the next thing and truly awesome. Thanks that's great How people follow up someone listening right now? If they want to help while they're in Denver or from afar what would they need to do. We're going to go for the the easiest thing to get all the information. It is p in the community dot com. That's our that's our webpage on that you'll find kind of history of teaching the community by this is something that really started to go by kind of give you a little history. But then we've got length within the website to donate time right which are linked to a gray sheet that Kinda sign up for the volunteer opportunities that are available or donate down which would be a link to Gofundme page that we've got running to collect funds for the supplies and the kids and then the cost the homeless love. Seeing things like this come to fruition. Seven examples of it happened all the time in terms of like things like go. Ba- go or shoot for kids physical therapists standing up and saying this is a patient population. EH WE WANNA make sure they know we exist. They're underserved and you're doing something about it so we'll make sure to get all the links to everything we just talked about in this program. I'm in the show notes of this episode so if anybody's listening they can While they can jump in and pitch in to help is is there anything you'd want you know some physical therapist going to CSM SM to To know about this and and reasons why they should you know really embrace movements like this in the future really knocker puny right. It sounds like you had mentioned in the insurer right got about seventeen eighteen thousand of those kind of descend on a city. And it's just an opportunity to Khalid the Convention Center winner in go into the community and kind of influence the people that we are influencing but but not directly right. We're just probably increasing traffic and increasing increasing congestion in the city. But when I directly giving back to the opportunity to do so guys really appreciate you guys putting you're putting your effort where your mouth is and putting it to To good use while the profession is busy at CSM dental care thank the PT. PODCAST is a product of P podcast. LLC It is hosted and produced by PT podcast CEO Jim McKay and Cbo Sky Donovan. From marymount. The university. We talk drink beer and recorded. This has been another poor from the PT PODCAST PD. PODCAST is intended for educational purposes. Only no clinical clinical decision making Chevy based solely on one source care is taken to ensure accuracy factual errors can be present more on the show at PT. PODCASTS DOT. Com WanNA thank Brooks Zay H. L. 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The Sellers In Control

The Trader Cobb Crypto Podcast

08:39 min | 1 year ago

The Sellers In Control

"London listen up way we'll be with you taking a checklist by trading strategies on the back of the say-say form October twelve at the Queen Elizabeth Prince Center. If you want to learn these trick was based trading strategies that employ for quite some time you Wanna learn it in person get your self booked now we have thousands of people fool November sixteen at Marina Bay sands another event we attacking onto the end of which is cool block show again this got thousands of people so if you WANNA come along get in the packing on to the back of an event which Mulbah and blockchain summit a guy thousands of people expected to get you'll quickly for multi straight across the pond a significant lower levels have been taken out in the Kennel in fact we're down six hundred eleven dollars down seven point five nine percents so big difference there it will oocytes looked likely but it has been on the cards as a potential now have pulled back into the and moving averages across the last full months now technically speaking until breakdown through source seven six nine there wasn't there wasn't a confirmation of a downturn Chiklis based training to use daily very simple stuff guys gotta try to call Dot Com forward slash global and book your spot right now a big full impressive biggest movie seen in quite some time on Bitcoin and has broken that Ryan putting us well and truly back into downtown as far as positives go looks stronger than anything else the moving average have cost in the correct order for downtrend momentum on the weekly but again that doesn't make too much to me right now the fact that matters there is some divergence on a diet now much writing absolutely not no way in the world never have done never will and if a look at the blakely and this is a confirmation of the continuous this is a continuation of what is set as downtrend on Bitcoin at the moment of course out to many sign up the delivery of doom so to speak person on an even that was probably probably bank down thus far the level bottom side of that moving average is now sitting rod on exactly seven thousand on the twenty eight so it's significant okay let me talk to you about what's going on here yesterday I spoke bouts podcast jaded yesterday still still a little bit today leaks into big move higher with saying from the lives that was set back in was the December two thousand nineteen to the high we currently just about crossed the K. level for May was the actual law in that consolidation which is seven thousand seven hundred thirty three now of course all of those be surprising to see it actually I think the number model change couple times just simply because the last couple of months to pull back into that monthly cradles own has led also bitcoin at this stage across the top ten mostly we are saying holding out fairly consistently on Bitcoin's downfall stiller's at five point I won't be trying to keeping an eye on the markets as always but some we saw level high on the daily show eight three seven one quick finally back in Sydney on the twenty third and twenty fourth at the Ridges World squares whether it be London Malta Singapore unique to get yourself along to these events if you WANNA learn much of the market actually holding in line with bitcoin which is when we say all that frequently we often say bitcoin move faster than the others the will move ours will know adding too much value to all be looking to lower timeframes today already saying if I can find anything to look for shorts but Wanna say simplicity kicking currently becoming now making lowell lawyers with to go those little highs bitcoin cash broke down through to a non eighty one that was the support level in keeping it off Kahad encrypted that's why I love them they also down hod encrypted that's why I love them so opportunity is now available for those that are trading and I had a short and understand the game default sense after having quite a strong start to the wake up well I taint does it is quite brutal out there right now for those of you the welcome to the Tropical Crochet Craig Kelpie host a good day Of An article some bitcoin things pushed into new. Loa Loa which is it's a broken down through that seventy eight hundred level they're on Bitcoin and now we are open for business so it might not be today today might be tomorrow imanol beetle but we the daily it's a hot under sixty dollars down six point eight two percent ailsa tools in sixty five sixty eight cents also down seven point five percent tap around was the little seven thousand two hundred and fifteen on a on a sixty one point I percents favorite level guy does this deal not ready the down trend quite some time it's Damn Bitcoin is tonight point full three percent on the bonus now it's down nine point four three was looking luckily it was looking lock it was really trying now we have thousands of people at the form and the event will sell out quickly from there we move on to Malta on the ninth of November that'll be at the intercontinental is the daily East down if I look at the monthly right now talk about that while we've pullback pulled up to seven thousand for a little while on an offside that it would august declining market in the town transit won't went four cents down six point four percent a gain heading south and looking luckily to continue in that nine so it has broken back down through that twenty eight and a half cent region it's recovered off its lawyers today the lows we did see on bomb seven thousand four hundred and forty five dollars down seven point faucets percent theory emmys the one of my an keeping a closer to offer shores it has good more established downtrend across all time frames include tale in multiple also backing onto the back of an event which is multi in blockchain summit a guy and thousands of people expected to get your sport quickly from let's say say form and the event will sell out quickly from there we move on to Malta on the ninth of November it'll be at the Intercontinental Hotel in multiple also alta straight across the pond a syncopal sixteen at Marina Bay sands another event tacking onto the end of which is cool block show a gain this thousands going out today often APP London. Listen up way we'll be with you taking a checklist buys trading strategies on the back of the say-say form direction for the foreseeable future Kado three point five percents down seven point two seven percent falling on the is down eight point seven seven percent ninety six dollars and we'll bitcoin hauled I just it's not something that I'm going to speculate honest Farzana pain right now it does look very very bearish of the four the tribal be very careful white right now I'm not saying the strength physically to be aggressively shorting but able S- of you WanNa come along get in there quick and finally back in Sydney on the twenty third and twenty fourth at the Ridges World squares whether it be London Malta Singapore you need to get yourself to make a bit of a recovery filed to do so across different heavily once again today it's at sixteen dollars and fifty cents on is down nine point four eight percent and the like belong to these events if you WANNA learn the checklist based training that employees News daily very simple stuff guys gotta try to club dot com forward slash global and book your spot right now assault on Hixon was twenty cents a quite a decent move back out from those lows for the day and holding it twenty year old sitting on twenty seven cents right now seven point three percent sense brought now down six point seven three percent a guy in a very strong move to the downside notre strongest one of the coolest thing only six percent down thus far except age twenty six I twelve at the Queen Elizabeth Conference Center if you want to learn these trick Klis based trading strategies that I've been employed for quite some time to learn it in person get yourself looking at things like except Pathein bitcoin a plus and the Oswego module opportunities tried these are where they can make money with mock full thing is trading marcus go up down lock horns at just fifty forty nine dollars and fifteen cents eight point three percent Danone guy on the more consistent downturns out there in the marketplace right now given the daily is support direction try managing risk and. 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BAKKT - Week 1

The Trader Cobb Crypto Podcast

07:41 min | 1 year ago

BAKKT - Week 1

"London listen up we will be with you taking a checklist by trading strategies on the back of the say-say form October twelve at the Queen Elizabeth Conference Prince Center. If you want to learn these trick was based trading strategies that employ for quite some time you. WanNa learn it in person. Get yourself booked. Now we have thousands of people let's say say form and the event will sell out quickly from there we move on to Malta on the ninth of November. It'll be at the Intercontinental Hotel in multiple also backing talking on to the back of an event which Mulbah and blockchain summit a guy thousands of people expected to get you'll quickly for multi straight across the pond a Singaporean fool November sixteen at Marina Bay sands another event we attacking onto the end of which is called block show again this thousands of people so if you WANNA come along get in there quick finally back in Sydney on the twenty third and twenty fourth at the Ridges World Squares with London Malta Singapore unique to get yourself along to these events. If you WANNA learn the Chiklis based training to use daily very simple stuff guys. GOTTA TRY TO CALL DOT COM forward slash global and book your spot right now. Hello everybody welcome to the credit cut shy. That's right my did thank you. My daughter joins me on the show. Today it is Craig Co host of the Trick Crypto podcast and school holidays what I've done it like in here today full fund and what we're hoping it's fun at Scifo so good about the markets and what happened over the weekend not much at all has an effect very little in the way of any momentum any movement. You've been anything of interest. I've got to be honest with you. It's it's really quite as lost so twenty four to forty eight hours has proven and the markets really. I haven't done a great deal at all now. That could be a good thing of course Democra- fooling one thing the market rising is what we would like to see because as a tribe or a direction how good a lot of messages loss from people that have made significant amounts of money just throw a couple of way short of closed closed full did buy Jingle by George. Did it happen in a big way. We're talking about closing the week down roughly around twenty percent on Bitcoin and of course what's that has sent some shots through the market. It'll be lovely to see these markets switch. Its tone and start to really see strong run leading into the end of the era. No it would make a lot of very happy this time last year with down around the this time last year will still console around six six thousand be nice to see us of course have Christmas once again. We're we're talking about because all time highs and having people exhausted randy lunch or dinner table as opposed to people saying well. How's that crypt I think creek. We'll have to wait and see of course we go back to the market now. Was this manipulation. Well who knows K. is something that I can't control him when I can't control it than it shouldn't really factor into anything that I do okay. I count control the market and what happens markets It's not anything new and it's thinking so right. Now is at speed as we speak into the Sunday candle on Bitcoin bitcoin stand one point seven percent. We're talking holding above eight thousand eight thousand ninety. Four ethereal is also a downside down two point four percent one seventeen twenty one cents and it the has it's been a little bit of all of the bitcoin over the last couple of days but still looking very average sitting at two dollars and seven cents down one point four three percent moving on still looms which which is a very messy looking chart as usual its down point Idaho. I was sitting at five point seven cents more or less around the same sort of area before we shall we civil spark up and the subsequent sell off Back Down X. Pay Well point seven five percent down about twenty four point one cents in looking very ugly as far as the Chaka is a really break a few weeks back to the upside. We pushed onto woods thirty three thirty four cents an insult to right back down that he's the reason ladies and gentlemen while in writing signed potent knowing when to get in and having an ability to trial. You'll stops based on what it's telling you is going to help. You'll not just trading the huddle portfolio so it's really revival scope locked twins a fifty foot. All in sixteen cents down two point five percent carly and again. You know it's it's pretty wild looking messy shot. It's really really caught on attractive talk about bitcoin cash. We're talking about two hundred nineteen dollars and seventy five cents down full percent horrible looking child as well still fifteen dollars fifteen dollars twenty five on bond steph three percent Chinese at one point three cents down one point two seven percent cow Donnie three point seven cents down three point five nine percent finally eighty three dollars and twenty cents consolidation has held continues to form off the coast also the very big twenty-five percent set off that we saw a little while ago last week because the whole market let me just talked to weeklies align right now. Wakili Candle on Bitcoin sat down twenty percent lower about that right now the way the Kennel on a theory of nineteen point three percent down for talking about the weekly Kennel on AOL. It's twenty six point seven non on it is on a still limit fourteen point seven percent these down by the way if I talk about xl pay it's twelve point nine four lot coin with twenty eighty five percent coming off of lost weight twenty percent of Bitcoin cash. We got a woman grabbing move a gain of twenty five percent Bonnets Cod Donna twenty percent so trump twenty percent. Donna is twenty three percent and based a whopping thirty point two nine cents or across the board. It's been pretty it's been a wake of cahnge really very stone declines across all off the top ten looks likely that we're going to close around this thing is that. I just said a fantastic day. Guys don't forget Ad Light Gauze those of you that are analyzed. I will be there this coming weekend. Please make sure that if you haven't ready you get across to try to club club dot com click on the box. 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External Factors Effecting Small Business

Marketing Management and Money

30:30 min | 3 weeks ago

External Factors Effecting Small Business

"All right, boys and girls, we're going to start doing all of our episodes in sign language here. It is a management and money and Rhino officially fired. So this is now the ryan-murray show. I'll see how well I fly solo Late Night with Ryan Murray song. That's out Saucy man, who Okay, welcome to an episode of marketing management and money ryan-murray. You need co-host for that and and a smoking-hot diva, which I get neither out of you. Ouch. So hurt so bad only because it's so true for those who actually want an episode today. What are we talking about aren't going to feel like I'm traveling about I know you are but I'm not I'm not ready to go there yet. All right, I mean to mess around just a little bit more. So you said you don't get neither of those things off. I'm a Diva man. I may not be smoking hot, but I'm definitely a diva. So at least you got that right? It's a bonus. So to Thursday is out there if anyone is interested, I'm looking for a new co-host if you know it according to his standards. You don't have to know a lot about business. Tryouts are also done yourself. Welcome back to another episode of marketing management and money. We are your hosts rhinestones. Awry Marie and we are definitely going to get mature now and start episode Giannis. We're off to start into the topic, which I think is is something that's on the minds of a lot of people especially in in times like these with economic downturn or what-have-you. Should I start a small business due to economic factors to other any other outside factors, right? These are things that we can't control and and whatnot. And how do those things play a role in our thoughts processes and in our our amount of courage or our our amount of risk aversion so that we're willing to take on more risk or less afraid or even if we are afraid we're like real crap. It's like I gotta do this wage. Yeah Hafner, even if I'm scared, you know, so so what are some of these factors let's why don't we kick it off there. We already mentioned the economic side of things. But so interesting that you picked this topic, you know, as we as we're trying to figure out Topics in your life. This has been on my mind. I want to talk about like that's great. How did just this last week? I got a referral for a small business that starting up off and it was someone that I knew that they were kind of helping this entrepreneur and you know, they knew they knew that I did this and so they reached out to me and there's like, hey, can you can you help my friend? They're getting ready to you know, they're getting ready to do a business. Can you just give a couple of pointers and sure and I'm like love to like this is what I do we could talk about this all day long happy to do it and not like I I felt like I was a little bit dated because they're like good they're right here. I love those scenarios like well, you might you have done if I said no choice your light halfway done with your lungs there like here talk to him right now. You got a mouthful of lasagna. So, you know the way that I kick it off with this with a. Potential entrepreneur is I'm like, all right, so it's in the midst of a pandemic everyone shutting down and you decided to open up right you either have a lot of courage or your stupid or it's a mix of both. They appreciated the humor. I'm like, I hopefully they don't take that the wrong way welcome to entrepreneurship but nobody's sure like behind every joke. There's a lot of truth. That's like honestly you either have a lot of courage or your stupid or a little bit of both. Yeah, and I want to talk about that stupidity factor of man when things when everything is pointing in the wrong direction, yeah, you know, like some people run the opposite way. Yeah. Everyone is running out of the burning building. Yeah, like that looks like good real estate. Right? Let's go check it out. So I'm going to I'm going to tweak your I agree wholeheartedly I can I get I get the direction that you're going and obviously this is coming from a joke, right? But we I think it's important to tweak the stupidity wage. Idol that you're giving us because I don't know that it's necessarily. I mean maybe this stupidity. I mean, I'm not a shining example of the opposite, but maybe we call it life. Turning a blind eye to to some of these factors. I don't know. I don't know what term you would put your going to be politically correct? I'm not because I have seen and I'm not trying a statically correct. I'm just trying to I don't think it's stupidity cuz it's stupidity to me if Plies like a lack of intelligence, right? Okay. It's a lack of intelligence. I think it's just ignoring some of these factors like it's almost like a Brazen Miss. Okay, and thank you for the clarification because that's a good clarification. But I want to put this out there entrepreneurs often times get very emotionally caught up in the moment. Oh, yeah now yeah, I want to be very clear. If you are overly logical that is not necessarily a success principle. Right? Like you have to have a balance of logic and emotion. We we are emotional creatures and anyone that thinks that oh, I'm only going to use data and I'm only going to use sign And I'm like, well first officer your life is incredibly boring and second. You're not always right, you know, like how often do you talk to yourself a lot you did you walked into that one bulb? That's okay. I'm here to spice up your life. Thank you a little bit of a diva. Okay. You're welcome. You mean the emotion I'll be the lodging. Okay till sweet home, right? That wasn't a compliment was it? Oh, it's just so anyway, when they get over emotional and a lot of times you'll see this in a start-up where someone's life. Oh, I've always wanted to do this. But often times you'll see this in existing businesses where you know, it's like do I expand or do I hunker down? Do I am I played a little bit smart and you know, I I picture a good poker player here where like you're you're looking at your hand sure and sometimes your Delta great hand and sometimes your dog. Crappy hand, but your goal is an entrepreneur is to play every hand. Yeah, consistent. Yeah, like your clients you make your clients feel like you're winning at every turn and in and on the inside, like if they could see the soft gooey internal guts of this thing. They'd be like, whoa. Yeah, you don't offer any confidence whatsoever. So so jumping back to this particular entrepreneur. She was launching a tanning salon. And you know, I flat-out said to her off your gutsy and she said well the area that I'm going into so she looked at the microeconomics. Okay, and she's like the area that I'm going into a claas do right now because of the housing market and there's some opportunity and she started to spelling these things out to me. I'm just like dang like you've done your homework wage. And I honestly think that this is a smart bet so even though everyone is, you know, they're folding in that, you know hypothetical poker game that I'm talking about. Yeah, you know, she's holding her card. She close to the chest and she she's making some calculated moves in in what she's doing. And so I look at this and I'm like, okay, you know in entrepreneurship your Delta hand wash and sometimes you know, that's Full House and sometimes that's a hi card. Yep. And and and so it's like how do you play that? And right now A lot of people are being dealt a hi card. Yeah. I don't shove a pair going on and you can still win if you play that hand correctly, right? So let's talk about that and off the first thing that I want to talk about. So I mentioned that micro economic Factor, you know, how big of a of a role does the economy the overall economy play a non-starter wage? Business, I mean right now unemployment is high. You know, everyone's GDP is down and when I say everyone I'm talking like an international level like countries are losing money, right? Well has you know evaporated in this pandemic. Is that a good time or a bad time to start a business? It depends sure and so looking at it as an entrepreneur, you know, you gotta be able to kind of read the signs understand what you're looking at. Are you walking in an opportunity or are you walking into a disaster? Yeah, and you gotta kind of check that that emotion that ego at the door for sure and say okay, you know, what are my trusted advisors telling me now when I say trusted advisors immediately you kind of picture the boardroom and it's like oh, well, you know you should do this George Washington. I'm talking, you know, Mahatma Gandhi, I find a successful entrepreneur take her to lunch and ask her some advice. Yeah. That's a trusted advisor right there. Yeah, right what you're saying, you know, she's been in business for the last twenty years what she saying about where the market is today? Yeah, and you know and then compare that to a couple other people, what are they saying, you know and just kind of kind of feed on this and you know and get get some outside perspective. Of to where you're in a position that you're like, okay. I'm not only going off of my own gut check. It's either inspiration or indigestion is what else to say? Yeah, exactly. Well and I think that that's a lot of entrepreneurs. Well a couple of things cuz you covered a lot of ground their holy I did I apologize I got right right behind it up let her life so it's like those chattering teeth, but you see with her feet and you wind him up when you're sitting here. You're like, how do I put this thing back together? That's kind of how long I'm like outside factors. Anyway, so I think that a lot of entrepreneurs who are successful entrepreneurs and she could essentially repeat their results, right? Sure to me make you can't be dumb and get their intellectually right on the other hand. I think you absolutely can laugh. Emotional intelligence and and have that intellect and make that happen. Right and and that alludes to the point of your your need for these these external advisers this advice Joe speaking in in these kinds of times whether that's economic or something along lines of like a personal crisis or you know, like a loss in the family these external things that you can't control. It's important to have bought this trusted Board of advisors and I think that that's one of the big takeaways that could come out of this episode is that having an ominous a a well-rounded group of trusted advisors because they want all of the same person. You don't want yourself six times over and and I really I'm glad that you you got on that because you know, I'm I'm I'm hearing in my mind confirmation bias, you know, if sure well if I see I see I already believe that my business is going to be successful and then I surround myself with people who are going to just agree wage. With me because they want to be agreeable. Yeah, so if your intellectual get a diva, apparently I'm seeking a job. So you guys needed even let me know but let's go ahead as long as you're going, you know, find someone who's going to challenge you and you know, exactly let them let them poke some holes in your plan. Well, and and I've struggled with that concept my entire life honestly up until I've kind of you know, I'm going to say as I've gotten older I'm mid-30s. I'm not that I'm a baby still right but yes, I've grown up as I've matured. I've come to understand what that means. It's not necessarily like yeah, you know, I always thought it was like Hey pick somebody that you're going to butt heads with no like you can get along with people who took a different opinion. This isn't high school anymore. Think differently, right? They have a different background. They come from a different industry. And this is somebody who's willing to and has the experience to play The Devil's Advocate job. Right and you might think as you're listening to this, you might think that we're talking primarily about startups here. We're not know. This is any any stage business any role within a business, right? Yeah and think about this issue. You've been in business for a while and you've surrounded yourself with a bunch of advisers. Well, what happens over time as you guys gravitate, you know, like you guys start to blend and mesh well off the last time that you saw outside advice from someone who you know isn't in trenched in your way of thinking because you've been going to the same advisor for the last Seventeen years and you know, you guys are so in tune that you don't even need to go ask this person any more. You know, what they're going to say. No Chrome page someone else. It doesn't mean that you need to ditch that person that you've got history with right but grab someone else and be like, hey, what do you think? Yeah, right. Well, yeah, it's like a dog. Lake if you don't have fresh water coming in and freshwater going out or and water going out gets pretty stagnant. Nasty. Yeah gross right your business will do the same. And so so let's let's talk about so we've talked about like, I think that that's a really good. Like I said a great take away for this episode, but let's talk about some of the other outside factors that can impact businesses. The entrepreneurs don't have control over it and that's where I wanted to go as well. Perfect. And so I'm I'm looking at this and you know, we talked about the economics. Okay deals are one in up markets deals are one in down markets and I don't think that the economy should be the driving force of whether or not you start a business, right but it should when the economy is moving when you're at those big swings in the economy when when things are changing you obviously need to factor that in I was talking to a good friend of mine and she works a lot with businesses off and you know, so we love to share ideas and talk about the different things that that she does and sometimes when she has a business that that she's kind of struggling with, you know, she'll pick my brain and see dead. She was telling me about these these two guys that they launched a gym in a small town and they went huge with it like this massive wage. It's the size of this GM that you would see in a major city with you know, a place that has a hundred times the population of what this was dead. And so like they're counting on everybody in the town coming to that. Well that that was the, that I made to her. I'm just like well, okay, they they have to get like ninety percent of the population and that includes grandma and the newborn baby that are going to come to this gym now, they don't have to come to just have to pay membership smoking from experience Bingo. Wow, but you know, so they open in the middle of this pandemic and I'm like dude. Did you guys notice that like, there's all sorts of Health restrictions in place. And gyms are not allowed to fully operate right and where you're already, you know, like playing the odds not in your favor and then you've got this huge so, you know my friend she comes to me and she's like he got any advice for them and I'm like, I don't I'm sorry. Don't do that. Yeah, you shouldn't have done that. That's where it is, you know, and they're they're a highly leveraged who likes and I just feel bad. Well, okay. So so we've kind of so we're kind of talking about like you're talking about like this pandemic right and how this pandemic has affected us. It's like these acts of God essentially that it's like you can't control an earthquake. It's not necessarily economic cuz we talked about that piece, right? So now we're talking about like so you have this massive heart attack brought tidal wave, right? Yeah in recent history. We've seen things like massive tidal waves flood The fires in Australia. Yeah, the huge fire wildfires and you've seen massive hurricanes, right Hurricane, Katrina come and sweeping through and the South off South America the southern portion of the United States man weird. Yeah, just say that really long tonight go to South America. I know but that's how the Cyril so they're still recovering from that though. Right? So is that I mean, you can't see these things coming up but when they hit that so so there was I didn't work with this small business particularly, but I've kind of kept my eye on them throughout this whole pandemic because they opened like day's wage for here in America before the huge shut down all the massive shutdowns. Okay? Yeah, it was like four days or something like that. They're like, hey, we're open for we're we're business come in and eat at our birth. Front and has like covid-19. Is there like oh, you know, what are they doing? When they're you know, like they're they're facing these disasters. Yeah, it's like well, what is the need if you just had a huge earthquake off, do you really need pizza delivery? Yeah, right, you know and if you if you do like if people were all of a sudden they can't get food and yeah, like wait a second, you know, you do pizza delivery. No need delivery service. Yeah. Yeah. And and so if that is the need and you can fulfill that need, you know, that's probably a better business page and then like a nail technician where no one's really worried about getting their nails done. Right right in the aftermath of an earthquake. Well, and I think that that's another key Point another key take away from Faith episode is adapting right in meeting the needs whatever even if you are an established business, you can shift gears a little bit and all of a sudden take advantage of these opportunities that present job Cells in in any given market and take advantage of that and leverage your business toward filling those needs and you can make it big the way right? So I was down in San Diego. I was at this it was actually an entrepreneurship conference and you know, we're hanging out in the middle of one of the sessions the lights go off nice and you know, you're in this big Conference Center Hotel and you know, so everyone kind of just chills for for a minute the emergency lights are shining so it's not like it's pitch-black by any means but you know, so we're sitting there off and the lights they just stay off and and finally you get the hotel staff that they're just going through the rooms and they're saying yeah looks like powers out and it's not coming off a while. So anyway, come to find out that it was a massive power out. There were about a million and a half people in this area. So I mean San Diego it's it's populated anyway, sure. About a million and a half people that were without power. Okay. So at first it's power outage, no one thinks anything of it, but then you know dinner time dinner time starts to roll around. Yeah all the restaurants off your clothes. How do you cook food? Yeah, how do you cook food? Everyone's there on convention? They're stuck in a hotel. So it's like I don't know, you know, they're like grabbing granola bars out of the backpacks right and stuff like that and the few places that had food like they were just you know, it was like just an arm and a leg for you know, crappy sandwiches are thrown together go down to the gas station and buy a pack a day old egg salad sandwich. That's super questionable over like well, yeah. Yes, sir go hungry. So so so this power outage ends up going through the rest of the evening. She comes back on at like 3 in the morning something like that. So the very next day and this is where I saw entrepreneurship at its finest this guy. He went and got a bunch of t-shirts screen-printed that said like I survived the great power outage. Oh, yeah, I mean but it was so wrong bed. Yeah. He was there selling shirts on the street corner. Yeah. That's awesome. You know at Daybreak and and so everyone was just like whoa, and he's sitting there on a on a ton of them and I'm oh, yeah, he was those shirts were popular for probably a half a day, right? You know, but when you talk about being adaptable I look at it and I'm thinking yeah, I you know, if if you're a nail technician and all of a sudden an earthquake happens and it's like well, maybe I'm just going to shut down my business for a little bit. I'm going to go out and serve and you know, I'm just going to put on my life my you know, branded logo exactly and when people are like hey, don't you on that nail shop? Yeah, but this is the bigger need right now. I'm like be adaptable help out do whatever you got to do exactly so long. Being adaptable leads me to the next point and I know we're getting ready to wrap up. But this leads me to the next point that I wanted to cover really quick, which is we've seen them at least in in in my my time here on this Earth just stated. You're not that old. I know Molly come here read a story to tell the youngsters just getting off, So it's like when you see new technologies or you see these shifts in in our way of life, right? So not it's I mean, I think about it. I'm mid-30s and the first cell phone I had was like I was like fifteen or sixteen right and they were like these janky old crappy flip phones that had horrible screens and Thursday, you could barely text from right so so we go from that and in in in two decades, right and it's like whoa twenty years. That's a long time. No, it's not like in two decades. I've gone from that to we have these Wicked powerful smartphones in our pockets. We have all run your entire business off of this thing, right? But but you think about I mean where we came from in terms of like the Industrial Revolution and everything that occurred and that was in in the history of the world that wasn't that long ago, you know, and so things off accelerating in an incredibly rapid Pace, right and we're seeing all kinds of new tech Dell Technologies evolving from that. So we had like this mobile Revolution kind of a deal. Right, and now we're starting to see in terms of like manufacturing things were starting to see additive manufacturing become this crazy thing. Right? And for those of you who aren't aware out of the manufacturing jobs created name for 3D printing right 3D printing and stuff. But but even from there you you also see in the medical field you see Advance as being in terms of like micro biology and and cellular technology all these crazy kinds of things and so it's entrepreneurs. It's like there's two things that I want to questions that I want to ask her number one. It's like when you see this big shift occurring Is that something that you bring into question when you're starting your business because it's like when automobiles were first invented people are like no, I'm still some old horse and buggy wage, you know what I mean? And they were on board with the automobiles but then and so it's like in that instance. Yeah. It's smart to jump on board with the automobiles because I mean hindsight 20/20. We know go somewhere but then off Microsoft comes out with the Zune, right? I've never heard of that exactly and so it's like so you remember when I pods were like brand new and they were cool. Yeah. So the Zune was Microsoft's version of an iPod. I thought that was dr. Seuss's version of a waggle D. Whack threatened as Unity zoomed. Yeah exactly. It's like it's like my space. It's does it even exist anymore? Actually pretty spaced-out it does. Yeah, but but still actually don't know if soon is a thing or not, but but that's a technology. It's like dead. If you have invested in how to jumped on board with that, you're not doing so hot right now. Yeah, right and so it's like, how do you how do you navigate those Waters essentially wage? Right and I think that you actually you you answered your own question with your example, but it's embracing the correct Technologies moving forward with change. Oh, yeah, that makes sense. So easy to get it totally answer question answer my question know what when when you cross a business when you're trying to meet that need that customer demand, you can't move backward if all of a sudden, you know on this automobile example, if they were trying to just keep upgrading the horse and carriage but keep it a horse and carriage. Okay? Okay, that's not going to meet the demand. Sure. So let's let's look at this. So right now dead. Elon Musk is huge. Right? Okay, everybody else who he is and what he's doing and whatever. So right now he's working on his SpaceX. Sure Venture. Is that something jump on board with well? Okay, and I'm not saying the company itself or his product whatever you want to say itself, but the notion of accessible space flight and like returning rockets and fuel cells and all that kind of stuff. So you jump on board with that. So let me answer it this way and and I'm going to kind of summarize whole bunch of things that we've talked about in this answer and that is that when the outside factors are weighing heavy on your entrepreneurship Ventures, whether you're growing an existing company, whether you're looking to start a company whether you're branching off something from your company when there's a lot of outside influences, it can be a pain demek. It could be economics. It can be, you know acts of God as you put it off. When those are happening the need for Solutions increases which means that the need for entrepreneurship increases, however, the people who are going to sort of those needs are not going to solve tomorrow's problems with yesterday's Solutions. And so as an entrepreneur, yeah, you've got to push the envelope and if that SpaceX travel sure that's fine. But you've got to be willing to push that envelope and and so and and it kind of just wraps up with all this and I am going to wrap up because man, we've covered a lot of ground but month but it's this idea of get those advisors that are giving you some outside perspective understand the needs that are present with these changes in, you know, in the environment around you look for those opportunities and don't be afraid to step forward into it. And so yeah, it can be a scary time, but it can also be an exciting time for entrepreneurship with job. These outside factors constantly pushing in and so I love them. You don't love them that to me is kind of the takeaway is this like there's always a need for entrepreneurship. In fact today. There is a greater need for entrepreneurship wage. Then there was pre all of this craziness that's going on in the world. And so if you're an entrepreneur and you're willing to step up to the plate you're needed get out there make it hot out there and do it for sure. So with that. Let's go ahead and wrap it up. All right fine. Thanks. Thanks for tuning in. We love to having you. This is marketing management and money. You can find us at marketing management money.com leave some comments. Let us know what you think and we will catch you next week. You guys are awesome joke.

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The Power of One: Being God's Representative

Greg Laurie Podcast

28:01 min | 3 weeks ago

The Power of One: Being God's Representative

"The following message from pastor greg. Laurie is made possible by harvest. Partners helping people everywhere. No god i want to hear from you. Would you consider emailing me. You can reach me at greg at harvest dot org again. That's greg at harvest dot org and you can also make me one of your friends on facebook and draw me a comment. You may maybe the only christian that some people will love know and you are a representative of christ. It's been said. Christians are walking a pistols written by god and read by men. You may be the only bible. Some people ever read if some people evaluate the lord by what they see in your life. Is that a good thing pastor greg. Laurie has a word of encouragement. You make your stand for what is right and trust me. God will bless you for that at the power of one every so often some company will have a serious customer service debacle and spreads all over social media. Wonder what the company president thinks about the way. His organization is characterized spiritually speaking. We're represented god every single day. I was going for you today. On a new beginning pastor greg. Laurie returns to his world changer. Series as we consider a fine example of leadership set for us by the world. Changer named moses. We are going to be looking today at one. Passage of scripture exit is thirty two so turn their with me. A few would exodus thirty to a final look. At the life of moses and the title of my message is the power of one one christian making a stand in a given situation can change everything around them said. I am only one. But i am one. I cannot do everything. But i can do something and what i can do. I ought to do what i ought to do. By the grace of god. I will do listen to this. One godly man or woman in the darkest situation can make a dramatic difference in. Here's the thing. I don't know where you are right now. But maybe you're in a place you don't necessarily want to be. You don't know why you're in the setting that you're in right now. Why did they end up in this neighborhood with that neighbor. Why did i ended up in this classroom with that teacher. Why do they end up in this workplace with this boss or this person that works next to me. Why did they end up. Were i am. I wish i wasn't in this place. Did it ever occur to you that god puts you right where you are for a reason. A beautiful young woman down herself as the queen of persia at a strategic time in the history of the jewish people because the plot was hatched for them all to be exterminated and she was oblivious to this. Her uncle mordecai said to queen. Esther who knows that got does not place you where you are for such a time as this and i suggest the same is true of you in the same is true of me. We want to go out there and make arstan and trying to get out of where we are to borrow a sixty sane blue where you are planted except that. I'm here because got his. Put me here. And i'm going to do the best job that i can't to shine my light for. Jesus christ how many of you have heard of your hand her to bill yet. You've heard it's must've you. How many of you've heard of bright bright not as many. He founded campus crusade for christ the privilege of getting to know bill bright and of course billy is grandma's well and So here's another name. How many of you heard of henrietta mears ridge again. Henrietta mears almost no one who was henry at mirrors okay. She's an interesting lady. She was felt called by the lord. Teach us sunday school class at the first presbyterian church in hollywood in one thousand nine hundred twenty eight under her direction her class group from four hundred to four thousand. That's a big sunday school class. Everybody wanted to hear her speak. She ended up downing gospel light publishing and the forest thome conference center. And what's interesting about the impact of henrietta. Mears is over. four hundred. Young people entered full time christian service as a result of the impact of her life including bill. Bright in billy graham. So maybe you're not a billy graham but you could be a henrietta mears again to quote that statement. I'm only one but i am what. I cannot do everything that. I can do something what i can do. I ought to do what i ought to do. By the grace of god. I will do. How many of you have heard of sammy. Mayson ridge ryan semi mason. Almost no one well okay. Sammy mason was a stunt pilot and and a committed follower of jesus christ and he would teach people to fly out at the santa paula. Airport one day a man came to him and said he wanted to learn to fly. This man had bought an antique steverman by plane. And it turns out that this man's name was steve mcqueen and at that point steve mcqueen was the number one movie star in the world and he had conquered auto racing and motocross and now he wanted to learn how to fly and it also turns out that steve had been searching for his entire life for the meaning and purpose of life. He was raised by an alcoholic mother. That had little to no time for him. He also never knew his biological father. He spent time at chino boys republic because his mother wanted nothing to do with me live crazy life. He ascended to the top of the hill and the world of hollywood was making millions of dollars in that everything perks kid one but there was a big hole in this heart and it just came at the time when he wanted to learn how to fight so he's been out in the cockpit with semi mason. Semi mason was a men's man kind of assault of the earth guy and stephen mired him and does steve. Sme what is your secret. you're different. You seem peace and sammy told steve about his faith in. Jesus christ semi's faith was so strong. Steve actually asked. Can i go to church with you. Found that interesting now that semi invited him but seed said. Can i go to church with you. Semi agreed the ended up at the been tour and missionary church and been tura california. And the pastor there leonard dewit met and interviewed spokane preach the gospel and at the end of his services. He would invite people to christ just like we do and so after a few weeks passed here that mcqueen was coming to his church and he just told the people leave him alone. Don't bother donors autographs mcqueen came and said i wanna talk with you and they had an extended conversation which resulted in steve mcqueen committing his life to jesus christ okay so the power of one. So you've heard of stephen crane. you probably haven't heard of sammy. Your verdict billy graham. You haven't heard of henrietta. Mears doesn't matter. We all have a part to play. We all have something to do. We all have sphere of influence. And we wanna do what we can do while we can do it because you may be the only christian that some people will ever know. You're the only one and you are a representative of christ. It's been said. Christians are walking up pistols written by god and read by men. You may be the only bible some people ever read. And so i want to look now. At the power of one one man who impacted millions of people one man who do his godly life of integrity kept two. And a half million from turning to idolatry. I'm talking about moses. The man of god and you know what when moses the men of god left the scene literally all hell broke loose exodus. Thirty two one. They're waiting on moses when people saw how long have is taking moses to come back down the mountain. They gathered around aaron. Come on they said. Make us some gods who can lead us. We don't know what happened to this fellow. Moses who brought us here from the land of egypt interesting instead of recognizing it was the lord to moses who had led them out of egypt he thought it was moses himself in as soon as moses was gone they were looking for something to take his place in effect. They're saying look we. We need something we can touch. I mean moses was the guy we could grab him by the arm. We can voice our complaints to him. We could panama on the back. But he's not here so we need some tangible thing. We cannot relate to an invisible. God we need an object. We need a thing. We need something that we can look to to help us. And that's where the golden calf comes in now. We can be critical of moses but really we should not because it was his integrity and influence. That kept them from doing this. In fact moses. The men of god should be commended emulated and follow. He demonstrates the power of one. How he do it. He was a man of personal integrity. He was moses. The men of god when he's out of the picture look what happens. You know what. Aaron just did a bad job at. How did aaron even get in this position. Because moses wanted him there. When god came nimmo's and said i want you to go to the ferro and demand the release of my people moses. No way lord. I'm not a good speaker. I have a. I have a speech speech impediment. I don't wanna do this lord. I'll tell you what. I'll make you a deal. Moses said to let me bring aaron with me he is mood. he is articulate. He has the gift of gab. He can do all the talking alerts all right so he agreed. But this was not god's real plan and now when errands slept in charge he was like the worst baby sitter ever pastor greg. Laurie will have more insight from the life of moses the man of personal integrity in just a moment everybody greg laurie here inviting you to join me every weekend for what we call harvest at home. It's a church service. It's a worship service. It's a bible study and it's wherever you want it to be in your home in your car sitting on a beach walking down the street watching it on your own wherever you are. You could take it with you and be ministered to every weekend. Join us for harvest at home at harvest dot org now. Pastor gray continues. His message called the power of one available at harvest dot org. Here's moses up in the mountain and he's getting ready to return and this is what he sees exodus. Thirty two i twenty one. Moses comes down and demands. What did these people do to make you. Bring such terrible sin upon them. Hey don't be so sad. Aaron says you know how evil these people are these that make us. God's who will lead us. We don't know what happened to this. Fella moses brought us from the land of egypt so i said whoever as gold jewellery ticket off they brought it to me and i threw it into the fire. Came this cap. Yeah that's exactly how it happens. A lot he was the one that says you bring your old. He was the one that melted it. He was the one that made it into the shape of calf and he was the one that said here. Is your god israel worship. It is saying. I don't wanna they worshipping the golden calf because they keep from egypt and egypt was like idol central right so they had all these images that they worshipped and they were used to this sort of thing and so they were voted back to this and really aaron also shows the power of one but he shows the power of about example. See one man living a godly. Life had a great influence. One man living in a compromise. Life had a horrible influence. I he lies. He says well we threw it into the fire out. Came this calf. what does he think. Moses is a complete idiot. that's not even a good excuse. Was george washington. Who said quote. It's better to offer no excuse than a bad one. Aaron initiated he was responsible and that's the second thing he didn't take responsibility for his actions. It was his watch. It helped that people with this idolatry he should have stopped them called and reviews and to make matters worse he rub it in religious jargon to do away with the guilt. Look at verse five thirty two he made a proclamation instead. Tomorrow is a feast to the lord in a second a feast to the lord. You're gonna work nine eleven you're calling it a feast to the lord and then we read a verse. Six rose early offered burnt offerings and brought peace off rains. They sat down to eat and drink and rose up to play you. See what a. Contrast moses and aaron are moses set an example that people can follow. Aaron sets a bad example. Moses is known for his decisiveness conviction. And doing what is right. Aaron is known for his indecisiveness his week will and wanting to fit in. You see he didn't want to offend anyone and sometimes were afraid to make a stand because we don't want to offend well. You know i. I'm not going to stand up for that and you just kind of go along with the program. Don't do that make a stand doing this right. Not what is easy and sometimes when you do what is right. It's very hard. It's been said quote. A good leader takes people where they don't necessarily want to go but when they get there. They're glad they went like that. Statement leader takes people where they don't necessarily want to go when they get there. They're glad they went a leader. Does what is right. A man or a woman of integrity does the right thing if someone is watching or not see. When aaron was with moses he was godly in quotes. when he wasn't with moses he was pretty ungodly and he gave in and lead them in this sin. Sometimes we're the same way you know when we're around. Strong believers were strong kind've and the moment we get away from them. We just crumble. We just collapse just given hey find strong believers to be around and in time you need to be that strong believer you need to be there person in a group of people says. I don't agree with that. Because the bible says or no. I'm not gonna go along with that but this is not the right thing. You make your stand for what is right and trust me. God will bless you for that the power of one. I am only one. But i can do something what i'm gonna do. I'm gonna do that so do you can do. I mentioned semi mason earlier and he played a key role in the conversion of steve mcqueen. I don't think steve would've ever heard pastor leonard if he didn't find him and he could connect to a man that just lived it. A man that steve admired and that led him to hear the gospel and life to jesus christ look there is nothing this world that can fill a hole in your heart in your life that was designed to be filled by god and god alone. You're sort of pre wired this way and this is why everything we're looking for is found on a relationship of jesus christ and jesus came to this certainty died on the cross for our sin. He rose again from the dead now he stands at the door of each of our lives and he knocks and says a full here is voice and open the door. He'll come in. And i wondered today as we close this service. If you've ever asked jesus to come into your life you know. Maybe you're here because you came with your wife or your husband or your parents or somebody else. You don't even really want to be here that much but your year in. Here's what i'm saying. Are you ready to really come into a relationship with god. You can't live someone else's relationship with god. God is no grandchildren only sons and daughters. And the way you become a child of god is by believing the bible says for as many as received him he gave them the power to become sons of god. You have to receive him. You have to ask him to come into your life. You your own relationship with god and you can have it today and he will never let you down. He will never disappoint you. He will never abandon you. He will never leave you or forsake you. He will be there for you to help you find the meaning and purpose in life. You've been searching for and best of all give you the absolute assurance of an afterlife in heaven and all you need to do is pray and say god. I'm sorry for myself. And i want christ to come in my life or for some of you. Maybe that a fallen away you need to come back to the lord he will receive you but you must returned to him. God tests returned to be back citing children. And i will heal you in a moment. We're gonna pray. And i'm going to extend an invitation for you to us. Christ come into your life for for you to make a recommitment to jesus. That's all power heads father. Thank you for your word to us. Thank you for sending jesus to die for us than to rise again from the dead. And lord jesus we pray the holy spirit will work here in this place in hearts of people that they'll see their need for you in jesus name. I pray a pastor. Greg laurie with an important prayer. And if you'd like to make a change in your relationship with the lord today pastor. Greg will help you do that in just a moment before. Today's edition of a new beginning concludes. If you weren't able to catch every word of this presentation you can get a replay by going to harvest dot org. Just look for the message. Called the power of one. You can also listen by way of our harvest mobile app or to get a permanent copy on. Cd just call one. Eight hundred eight to one thirty three hundred. We can take your call anytime around the clock again at one. Eight hundred eight two one three three zero zero. And then right now we're highlighting something called the jesus storybook bible a christmas collection. Jared my author. Sally lloyd jones. A good friend of the ministry. Who's here with us today. Along with pastor wife cathy Festa gregg welcome to how to speak like a brick featuring four people one of us. Is it true. Brit the others are americans trying to sound like a bridge. Can you identify the troop. Brit will start with dave. In your best british accent something dave fanciest part of t kathy. Laurie go absolutely adore my friends. Sally lloyd jones. She's been such a one to me. We actually have eaten donuts many times while now. It's my turn. You know met sally and liverpool down the street together. We got some fish and chips. That was lovely. Okay now sally. It's your turn. see something. Well i just feel very sorry for you will. Can you identify the tube. Yes as i say very good. Because i don't think you want to hear my american accents i love to do you have one well. Here's as much as i can do. A rally sure for good well. Sally is a prolific writer. And she's written books. That are specially appealing to little ones. And if you don't have a copy of the jesus storybook bible in your library. You certainly ought to. You know sally. I think one of the most intimidating things that parents face even grandparents is how to tell bible stories to their children how to read the bible. One thing i recommend when you're doing devotions with kids is don't go too long. I think we feel like it has to be a lecture. I think you know you keep it at a link that they will stay with you number to involve them in the story. I like to ask questions make interactive ask for their comments or thoughts as we make our way through the story But this is something that you're especially gifted at doing and you've given us a great resource in the jesus storybook bible this christmas collection. Which really is for the advent season for the christmas season to go through each day. And not just you're writing but A cool little feature where you push a little button. And i hear the voice of actor. David suchet mary. And joseph had to take a trip to bethlehem the town king david was from but when they reached a little town they found every room was full. Every bed was taken. So is this a second time. You've worked with david on a project of you work with him more than that in. Where would most people recognize his voice from sally. Yes i've actually recorded about three of my books he's done. Jesus storybook bible foots to make your heart sing and song of the stars. Which is a christmas picture book. And then this and people would recognize him. Probably mostly from act. Christie's inspector perot where he played perot and he's a master again when a when you're in presence of a master you're tempted to think. Oh he's just reading but that's the trick about a master they'll make it look easy and that if they make it look easy. They're doing the job and that's what he did with reading the jesus storybook bible he just he did it in one day which to me is impossible so in this new resource were offering right now. The jesus storybook bible christmas collection. What is david suchet reading specifically. He's reading clips from the christmas stories. So they're very short but they give you a flavor and then there's also a sound buttons that play christmas carols so they're fun to so. The whole thing is sort of a interactive immersive experience. And every what's really amazing and it would almost seem as if i planned it which i didn't but someone did. There are exactly the right number of stories. In the jesus storybook bible if you start at the beginning to lead you up to christmas day to read one story a day and advent except for sunday or something like that it makes for a really fun experience. Because what you're doing is you're setting up longing and advent means waiting doesn't it and so what you're doing is by reading story a day. You're kind of setting up this longing for the one who's coming. The promised rescuer the prince. But the thing about this sound this christmas collection is you don't have to have the jesus storybook bible you have the you have the christmas stories and then you have scripture references and a devotional every day so you can have the jesus storybook bible but it doesn't require you to have the jesus storybook bible what we're talking with sally lloyd jones author of the new resource. We're making available called the jesus storybook bible a christmas collection. And we're eager to send us your way to say thank you for your investment in making these studies available. Someone's generosity made today study possible. We're entirely listener supported and we hope you'll help us. 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 Revoke and remain: inside the Lib Dem party conference podcast

Today in Focus

27:13 min | 1 year ago

Revoke and remain: inside the Lib Dem party conference podcast

"Today it's conference season. I up the Liberal Democrats and why are people being killed over. I have a sound the political party conference season has begun the time of year when party members and politicians Titians meet to debate and vote on policy here. Led speak and bad hotel wine late into the night station is pleased in between this weekend the Liberal Democrats to send it on the seaside town of Bouma fired up by the new leader Jay Swinson Stop Brexit and win a brighter future with a membership an all time high and the arrival live six MP from other parties. I would like you to meet the nearest Liberal Democrats and pay some female. The teams are hoping this is the start of their resurgence and on Sunday. Members voted overwhelmingly to revoke article fifty. If you get into government that is overwhelmingly carried. Thank you very much everyone. This has been criticized including my son from within the Party and I think that the polarization that we're seeing is actually incredibly dangerous. I think we're playing with fire in many ways from the Guardian. I'm Rachel Humphries today. In focus focus will the Liberal Democrat strategy of revoke and remain payoff the sale the National Conference Center in Bournemouth. There was an Democrat delegates streaming through these tools wearing their yellow Lan Yang. It's come through in corporates area and I could just see up ahead. Peter Walker Guardians Political correspondent pizza. Hello I'm alright. What's the mood been like here really really buoyant everyone you talk to you. They say this is you. You know my favorite lipscomb conference ever. They've they've gotten you leader. They've got these new. MP's like seemed to a new one every single week today's new policies. I think they're brexit policies election winner. They keep on predicting that if the polls says they are you there is an election they can get anything between fourteen and one hundred M which sounds yeah. That's what keeps saying that's their modeling is saying. I think hundred is very very very topic but you know even though that explaining policy as if they want to enter govern on their own in realistic to him reasonable chance so they could end up holding the balance of power and in much the same way I trump since conservative opposition very much as the brexit minded party they are very much remain party and this new pledge to revoke Article v Stop Brexit in the admittedly unlikely event they win. General election cements them in in voters mind you come last year. This is my very first conference. People who say it's different to other conferences and very much because Labor until we conference is a quite cool put in very serious lip spoiler third party. Have these strange strange kind of conditions. I do have Karaoke party had last night after famous lib-dem Glee Club but the all sing kind of statistical songs Ah Liberal Democrat. MP's people which is actually this evening very popular event and do you have to go. It's very apparent. Yes I do have to. We're we're going to have to go. It would be fair to say than the Liberal Democrats had a turbulent few years and twenty seventeen gene. They won just twelve seats across the country as a pro-european. Party brexit has presented them with an opportunity to more success in recent European and local elections combined with the arrival of new MP's. It's really reinvigorated and reshape. Philip downs say much the party conference gift shop kind of struggling to keep Deepak. This is a sea of yellow this at de Schelde therefore everything that's monks run a quantum should I okay positions through the every. MP You can get a Mug for them. I was I was talking to shop. It's very disappointed haven't had time to do mugs than NPR's yet. Apparently they're wasting LYTHAM central office to send the pictures over says no look. There's no service I'm Jay Switzerland. I think they sold out of Jersey mugs and they've been saying to you about the new. MP's when we joke with many of them on the mugs but what do you think people make all this weekend. Sanjay coming into party fittingly be Santa Birger are they are they pleased are concerned for the most part people live really really pleased because it's new empties and they lift off a centrist party and to be able to get MP's from both the left and the right is really really pleasing for them. Positively is everywhere. This conference eighth on the floor of the auditorium venture mean gives his maiden speech. This brings me to emergencies opposition. I know a bit about the opposition and it's in the meeting room where standing-room-only Feliciana Lisa verge of taking questions from delegates. It does feel like these new. MP's really boosting morale way just outside the exhibition fishing center and lots of good milling around here. What do you think about the new he's coming from Labour from the conservatives. I think it's really funny that some Jima Rats leader Conservative foty now. He's one of us but then again I mean he did run lead with the Conservative Party on a second referendum Renton platform which was bulls by did speak to some people who were more cautious about the party becoming a home philosophy. MP's is this your first time at this at this conference. Does the party failed different. Does it feel more exciting or show me yeah. There is a huge rati here rushing different people there's also the damage is people with all signs of different ideas. Sometimes the variety is hard to take in because because there are some quite free market-oriented people and they're the opposite like me guaranteed some of the new. MP's door joint sometimes the weekend or don't actually know enough about them historic records. You'll be welcome them into the Party and I'm worried but it may be the there was a lot of controversy about Philip me. WHO's record is questionable but I would be in a national crisis absolutely what people actually do meet findlay. He wasn't too recently a conservative. MP until he crossed the floor of the Commons enjoying the Liberal Democrats are the largest spoke to said there's been a lot of criticism of some of his views and his voting record particularly of his stunts on LGBT rights and an amendment he made to the Immigration Bill in two thousand fourteen so very interested to meet him and just find out how it's open going in the past couple of weeks conference. Hola Tory party conference was like stage-managed rally wasn't democracy in action here they're actually discussing and members on the floor and voting and and yes that can have challenges for for the management for the Party and things. That's well documented but you know what I'd rather have it like this. Then the way my former boss he did it and EV. Oh Oh the MP's of join the temps in recent weeks. I think yours was probably the most dramatic events is in to the party. Now you cross the floor in the Commons. Wall Lawrence Johnston was honest. Feverish Irish Irish are old and need watched. His majority disappear foyer is is he made that journey why did you did you choose to do it like that. I think when the whole prorogation business this started towards the end of August undeniably that accelerated my thinking the needed to be a you're just he's not doing this moment. This is not right yeah. It's been but thinking when I was watching got. I imagine you being quite nervous just seconds before you knew you were going to do it and then old the jazz and I wear unfortunate to wear I watch and I sat down next to Chase Winston about full foam and this is so after I sat down my my started to vibrate and I thought that was flashing. I mean I hadn't ever seen do this before I don't really understand my entirety and and I looked at it and it was telling me that my pulse rate was running at more than one hundred twenty and I wasn't moving which obviously is a doctor okay so I was deep breathing reading for a bit chart to manage my post seriously yes. It was not easy. It has been a lot of coverage of your voting record cord in the past and one day's news coverage. They've been coverage of of misrepresentation of my views. There are issues when you've been other party. You've been whipped vote for things. Do you think that immigrants should be tested for HIV or Hepatitis B. The country remind viewers was better that people coming into this country we knew the status so that they can be treated and they'll say that we could prevent further infection spreading and and that's not how it's being portrayed in Corson's drew upon my medical experience when you've been confronted the reality of a sub Saharan African patient presenting with an AIDS defining illness in general practice this this person not knowing that they were HIV positive advance so therefore they've been leading a life like anyone else without any knowledge if things. I didn't know your listenership understand what probing probing amendments are. Probing amendments are are not to be pushed to vote to. This wasn't about legislation. This was about trying to provoke debate but above all the motivation Asian was protecting patients protecting public health and I hope in Tyne enough people understand the head of the Liberal Democrats. LGBT group resigned when you join the party. How did you feel about and are you having conversations with. LGBT members within within. Ah Yes I'm having conversations and I had one. This morning. Agreed with people going to have another one this afternoon. Throughout all of this. I've tried to remain calm despite a genuine upset personally at being described in this way not least because I wouldn't want my patience to think this of me and you describe the last couple weeks has been quite difficult time making the the move into this posse no I wouldn't I I would say that actually join. The party is being remarkably pleasant experience. I have no regrets. There's a big event on the calendar for conference tonight. It's the Glee Glee Club where I think. There's a lot of singing. Will he be going. I'm not going no. I know this is a terrible thing to say. I have other plans. I can say next year. I suspect I will be there because I gather. It is an event that you have to attend. Thank you very much. Thank you couldn't go typically club but we decided tape and he wasn't exactly what I expected from a party conference. This seems has to be some disagreement about the first so which is very auspicious. Don Entente we need to provide fences with more support and at the young person I fully support nature is all dolled gave to a it definitely was different It's very sunny Tuesday morning boomer the morning after the night before where a few of the Liberal Democrat. MP's were initiated. I think three song I'm I'm one of them was formerly labor and pay. I'm going to speak to now great. Thank you conjoined comforts during his love to be here and booth a confident that Liberal Democrats at the next election are going to be able to win over Labour fighters absolutely I've seen no doubt the fact that every party within the membership and I've seen different figures Biz at Lee seventy percent of its membership support remain in the European Union incredibly frustrated that they find themselves as part of a party that cannot commit to that bats and still is prevaricating this position turning both ways. You know you have brexit tear at its helm. Jeremy Corbyn did not campaign into may stay in. I didn't campaign in the heated to remain the European Union is daunting on the head of a pin to trying to play all sides and people even waiting to take aside pick aside. What is your position and you've always been a passionate supporter of a people's vote and over the weekend. The conference delegates voted in favor of the party's new policy to revoke article fifty. Do you use the ASS tickly support my now now a Liberal Democrat Party said and as Jerry said our preference first preference a priority is still for that people's but but we have to contend with breath in the political variety that we might find ourselves. Jason has said that she doesn't want to work in coalition with Jeremy Corbyn do you do you agree with that. I think there is everything to play for this. Next election. Within the digital party system that comes from the twentieth century is becoming less and less relevant inside the scientist shifting and actually when you look what is on offer the team main parties Johnson versus Kuban is not a very very exciting choice and in fact it's pitiful choice and in my view is no choice because having to choose between is the least worst option is is no choice voice in my in my book the Democrats as a Party under the leadership of Jason Anderson is looking is positive that does wanted to change politics that doesn't want to tackle issues that really matter our country particularly around the climate emergency and unequivocal position on brexit something took four. Ucla thank you into the speech states today. Thank you move jobs as we all know that commitment has never been Boris is Johnson strong state but eighth clear he's determined when it comes to crushing his out with Ota Deal Joe Farraj might be Brexit by name but it is very clear that Jeremy Corbyn is Brexit by nature sure a Liberal Democrats majority government will revoke Article V on Day One. It will make it was really interesting speech. You know let them set the expectations relatively low because she's awesome very effective party leader but she's not always been the most exciting speaker but she really ramped up. This is a pre-election speech to get the activists backcombed their constituents assist with five min- Betty say this has got to fight so it was brexit with other policies to lucky environment like things like knife crime. If you're feeling optimistic is this this is talk of something big. There's an election in a few months where they get one hundred. MP's if you're feeling pessimistic this is good as it gets over the weekend. Jason and criticize David Cameron Cameron for cooling the referendum but she's being criticized ourselves for clips been doing the rounds on social media for having the same position in two thousand and eight. I would like to have a referendum on the major show but perhaps more damaging is the criticism we heard from within her party. The last couple of days about the current breakfast position about revoking article fifty snowmen lamb said it's playing with fire and counseling are Hogson stood on this stage and gave very powerful speech opposing now when I go on the doors in London I have not done thousands and thousands of doors in Sunderland people say something to me again and again and I will will it come see this is a phrase that went from our opposition. It's the will of the people. This is the will of the people you're trying to overturn the will of the people now. I disagree awesome and I'll argue back to them some reluctantly that we can make people's vote but the point remains. They're not completely wrong. I don't think that I think we need to bend a little bit. How is the policy going to justify this position with voters on the doorstep. They see it as essentially it's like gamble overall in terms of popularity within the party they had a vote in the conference hall and it was overwhelmingly passed. There is some descent but people are at the very least willing to give them the benefit of doubt over in terms of justifying. Does I mean there's two things one thing is. We are a parliamentary treat democracy. We're not a referendum based so if you win an absolute majority in parliament if you stand in an election saying that is our policies. Mestre manifesto was in black and white and you've got a perfect democratic right to then introduce it the other one is to the kind of slut get out is they would only do that if they want. Jordan parliament which frankly they're not going to their first choice they they say remains a people's second brexit referendum and we've had a lot of talk over the last few days that it will. Democrats could get two hundred seats seats in the next election even two hundred chucker mentioned at one point. I think you might be thought possibly but how realistic okay slats sort of forty two hundred. Baker has been heard times here. What are you talk privately to kind of seen in the Thames. They will say to you kind of forty. Is The base level. If they got below that would be really disappointed and if you think now they'd go eighteen now so that'd be quite a big increase and say beyond that it really really depends if there's a kind of swinson bounce if things go well you know they're currently up to twenty percent in the polls if they go up to twenty five or even twenty eight percent then one hundred or more seats is possible the basically in the modern political world brexit. No one knows there's so many things that could go right and could go wrong and if they were to wait if he seats and find themselves where they were perhaps back in two thousand ten holding the balance of power. Do you think they would go into coalition again and with against with either conservatives or the Labor Party. It's a tricky one because they've been completely adamant. Swinson has has been adamant again and again and again that she will not support either Boris Johnson Jeremy Corbyn Spam. She said they are unfit to hold the office and even if you ask a would it be a potentially a confidence and supply tight while we don't have a formal deal. She Sang APPs. We will not do it and it is perfectly possible. They will beholding the balance of power. I'm not sure where it goes from that you know it could just be that they try and pressure. Labor into getting rid of Jeremy Corbyn and putting in another leader but you know as the smallest party of the big three might not necessarily have that clock pizza. Thank you speak insists. Thank you very much pleasure. The guardians excellent political team covering all the conferences and the legal challenge to prorogation in the Supreme Court is week full of their work at the GUARDIAN DOT COM coming up the fatal consequences of sand being sold on the black market now when journalists been spy read about the death of policemen Chouhan a fifty two year old farmer from India. He couldn't believe that someone had been killed over sound even though it seems like the most trivial thing in the world sand is actually the most important solid substance on earth. It's the raw material that we build. Our cities. Out of concrete is basically just sand and gravel stuck together every apartment block every shopping mall every office tower. That's built anywhere on earth is basically just a huge pile of sand and the crazy thing is we are starting to run now. We are building cities on pace an adult scale that has never remotely happened before in Human History about seventy seventy million people move into cities every year. That's the equivalent of adding eight New York City's to the planet every single year so even though there's a lot of it when you're talking about quantities that big you know sand is is ultimately find like anything else so people often ask. Why can't can't we just use sand in the desert where there's obviously plenty of sand and the reason is all of that sand in the desert is basically useless to US desert sand and has been eroded over hundreds thousands millions of years by wind and that's given a kind of a rounded smooth shape whereas the grains that you find on the bottoms of rivers and on beaches on lake bed's sharper in their more angular and so they lock together better to form concrete so we harvest sand or we might add all over the world the cheapest and easiest way is to get it from the bottom of a river just send out a dredge drop a pipe to the bottom of the river basically a big straw and just but obviously mostly that is really bad for the river first of all anything that was living on that river bottom. Will you've just pretty much wipe them out. It can also be incredibly destructive active to infrastructure very often. What happens is the riverbanks then collapse in some places like in Vietnam entire villages have literally slid into the river governments are realized that San Mine and can be tremendously damaging to the environment so they try to limit it. If you're a criminal gang you don't care about that you just WanNa go wherever you can get the most sand as cheaply as possible and this is the story of Polygram Chauhan one day this gang the sand mafia came to his village and just seized control of about two hundred acres of the villages farmland tore. We're up all the crops ripped up all the topsoil and started digging up the sand that was underneath it so polygram who sort of a leader in his village try to organize his fellow villagers to get these guys to stop but because there's so much corruption in the system they couldn't get anyone to really take action the leader of the sand miners tick polygram aside and said look you are really starting to to become a nuisance. You're bad for business. Stop it or we're going to kill you. The polygram uh-huh didn't stop instead. He reported that threat to the police three days later. A couple of guys on a motorcycle kicked in the door of his house and shot him mm dead in his own bed. When I say that sand is running out people often think that means that you know any day now we're GonNa get to the very last little heap of sand. We're going to be fighting over the last little bucket of sand. That's not going to happen anytime soon. There's lots of sand still in the world but what is happening is very similar to what's happening with oil and gas the stuff. That's easiest to get has mostly been tapped out so we're having to go further further and further and do more and more damage to get at the stuff that's left. People are starting to finally become more more aware of this problem. The United Nations for instance just last year convened the first ever in worldwide meeting the people concerned about the the San crisis but it's definitely still got a long way to go. You can read more about this. Convinces book the world in a grain the story sound and how it transformed civilization. That's all for today next week. Initially will be reporting from a Labour Party conference in Brighton thanks to Walker violently and Louisiana Birger. Today's producers were mightly row Elizabeth Casson and Gary Marshall. Sound design is by execute gay. The executive produces a phil. You may not a Nicole Jackson. We'll be back tomorrow.

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Bitcoin Bottoms?

The Trader Cobb Crypto Podcast

07:54 min | 1 year ago

Bitcoin Bottoms?

"London listen up we will be with you taking a checklist by trading strategies on the back of the say-say form October twelve at the Queen Elizabeth Conference Prince Center. If you want to learn these trick was based trading strategies employed for quite some time you Wanna learn it in person. Get yourself booked. Now we have thousands of people let's say say form and the event will sell out quickly from there we move on to Malta on the ninth of November. It'll be at the Intercontinental Hotel in multiple also backing talking on to the back of an event which Mulbah and blockchain summit a guy thousands of people expected to get you'll quickly for multi straight across the pond a Singaporean fool November sixteen at Marina Bay sands another event we attacking onto the end of which is called block show again this thousands of people so if you WANNA come along get in there quick finally back in Sydney on the twenty third and twenty fourth at the Ridges World Squares with London Malta Singapore unique to get yourself along to these events. If you WANNA learn the Chiklis based training and employment US daily very simple stuff guys gotta try to call Dot Com forward slash global and book your spot right now. Good morning and welcome to the show crypto well. Hey listen when you have a look through what's going on right now because we have seen well further decline on Bitcoin in particular and across the rest of the top ten is well then. What does that actually mean well. How do you throw it as I do every day. Five days a week we sort light over not of seven thousand seven hundred ninety six colts seven rounded up and done effectively. What we say is a rejection I wouldn't be surprised as said recently deceased move lower down towards that seven thousand handled. It's not there yet. Of course we haven't reached that I also I wouldn't be surprised as fond of bottom anytime soon or at least massages ongoing laced half a bit of retracement backup into that cradles. It has been a pretty brutal full over the last four days if I tell you the percentage to the lawyers is twenty two point six two percent so gone. Is that period of consolidated. Chope nope and arrival station has been the best and heading south. I wouldn't Beatles prostate full back in a little bit now. The issues of got with why the market's moving is Sadat only one or two big does before our here we've low one hour we actually sold a majority of our candle being nine point one seven percent following candle after that was about seven percents lows so we have seen most of these moves occurring over very short period of time which has made it more difficult when it comes to taking trade right now big one thousand one hundred thirty six does where we sit right now bitcoin little bit next shot down full percent bank on the NYS is some of these shots starting to look a little funky hit. Yes because easing downtrend we do have a theory of having tested those always of yesterday now today's lies with just slightly lowest at one five three point one that what that means is that we have rejected those full-time bank. I'm certainly not suggesting this is Margai gone. Apply one sixty six dollars right in identity point six five percent at another big cane on the four rejection candidate on the daily interesting day ahead that he's for shore therion now. Let me look at two seventy seven without three point three seven percent and wants a guy one of these rejection type candle and what guy doesn't doesn't suggest anything it just suggests that we've seen somewhat a bit of momentum of those laws throughout the day on the still looms. It's actually upset ladies and gentlemen It's Faulk when cents one point full three percent and yesterday's candle that I before both bullish but grain on it's not necessarily Bush but definitely both grain moving from still into exile payment down one point three three percent and although there was a beautiful pool back into a double food level at twenty full sense will start twenty four right it was it was a rudy Patriot oil settled actually brought to stop loss level before full entry and therefore canceling that tried the nowadays creeping back a little bit. We're actually at one point three percent now twenty four point three cents on Lachlan is still down a five percent move today a even coming off of its lawyers. I mean at one stage. Let me tell you at one side we would down. Let me just walk through. The sexually is at one stage lot. Coin was down over twelve percent and so close back quite some quite a bit you know looking at a fairly large percentage coal back there to get us back fifty four dollars and seventy three cents. Although I still looking quite average on the charts divergence Oslo timeframes four hour rejecting those lawyers now it doesn't look like trading today and that's GonNa votes looking across the board for Taunting Bitcoin cash to sixteen forty nine downfall point two percent gain a shot. That's not will is really lacking that wonderful simplicity that I'd like to trade with. It hasn't got that certainty of momentum just waiting to see what does that's why I'm suggesting potentially for a move up outta putting some of these cradles bonnets down four point one eight nine percent again tonight fifteen twenty four cents now for those that tell like this project. You'll see that is a good opportunity for those tried well. I wouldn't be buying it. Anyway need need these Cracking downtrend very good trend verbiage dots has been coming off significantly hopping value from ties. Molin Hobby Tron is down right now three point six two percent sitting at one point two cents. Will it hold the one cent barrier and I know it's going to be interesting Tom. We'll tell them it's not. It's not right right now. At the time we'll be told it's deathly present Kadema down two percent three point seven cents a guy. That's very messy shot right now up. Dan All over the shove real real real all sorts going on then finally. BSP's full eighty three dollars and twenty cents again a very choppy looking market. I think the opportunity to die from as going to be looking against the bitcoin pairings making sure that font trans- sticking with those trends there is a number of options out there when we do look across one fifty on bay tastes which is what I do in my law trading scam members every single default is awake goes the fantastic weekend is fantastic saying it will coming in and getting involved because London multiple forget we are on our way Adelaide and Perth. You're up next but if you are not a registered full those events. Please do make sure you're getting their tickets are going quite quickly and we'd love to have become a long take friends team mom. did I tell everybody posit read the grapes and let people know that we are not white. Have Fun be safe and have a great weekend to this is the last one before the weekend so so I am cracking way can enjoy cells. Let it be sunny way. Live off now London. Listen up way will be with you. 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Mental health fallout from mass unemployment.

THE NEWS with Anthony Davis

06:49 min | 8 months ago

Mental health fallout from mass unemployment.

"Coming up on five minute. News trump administration narrows stockpiles role for states. Mental health fallout from mass unemployment and four thousand beds. Temporary Hospital opens in London. It's Saturday April foam. I'm Anthony Davis already facing growing anger and worry from governors federal assistance to fight the corona virus outbreak. The trump administration yesterday abruptly changed its description of the strategic national stockpile. Put forward a narrow vision of the role. The federal government's repository of lifesaving medicines and equipment should play in supplying states needs the alteration of the language describing the stockpile was reflected on government websites yesterday a day after jared Kushner trump's son-in-law and White House senior adviser offered a new argument about the supplies off to saying that state should use their own stockpiles. I kushner on Thursday said and the notion of the federal stockpile was it's supposed to be our stockpile it's not supposed to be state stockpile. They then use until Friday. The federal health and Human Services website had reflected a markedly different approach to the stockpile. The strategic national stockpile is the nation's largest supply of life saving pharmaceuticals and medical supplies for use in a public health. Emergency severe enough to cause local supplies to run out. The website used to say according to an archived sage but according to data the description changed on Friday morning these strategic stockpiles role is to supplement state and local supplies during public health emergencies officials at the agency said the change had been in the works for weeks downplaying. Any connection to Kushner's comments trump has long insisted that the primary responsibility lies with the states in managing the pandemic. He has resisted calls issue. A national stay home order and said that he didn't want to overly US defense production act but in state houses across the nation that has been increasing frustration frustration at the lack of assistance from Washington. Us faces a catastrophic rise in unemployment following the forced shutdown of businesses across the country to stop the spread of Kovic nineteen an expert so warning it could trigger a severe mental health crisis in just two weeks. Nearly ten million Americans have applied for unemployment smashing all records. Economists are predicting the unemployment rate could rise his highest thirty percent as the pandemic sweeps across the country those hardest hit and likely to be the poorest including many people of color and those who benefited least from the last economic boom to mitigate the effects of the massive wave of unemployment Congress Pasta two point two trillion dollar stimulus package to attempt to help everyday Americans but beyond the dollar signs. Economists are worried about the long term effects that being unemployed will have on Americans mental health. Problem that will. Further highlight the cracks in the country safety net and healthcare system a twelve hundred dollar check from the government and stronger unemployment. Insurance BENEFITS WILL HELP. Americans in the short term to pay their bills and other essentials but it cannot replace the value of having a job. Black-americans historically have an unemployment rate. That is twice as high as the overall rate even a healthy economy. The overall median wealth for black family is ten times less than the median wealth of a white family discriminatory job processes have kept black-americans in low paying jobs. Many of which have seen layoffs with cove in nineteen while the mental health toll from unemployment is shared across the America's week safety net and lack of affordable healthcare exacerbates the consequences for unemployed Americans. Cities typically do not rely on a single firm to keep people employed if a major company shuts down people can typically find employment elsewhere but with huge sectors of the service industry restaurants hair salons hotels shutting down amid the pandemic. The mental health toll of this recession is likely to cast a wide net. New Four thousand bed Nightingale Emergency Hospital in London was opened by Prince Charles via video link yesterday. But it's hoped it will not be needed as urgently as previously thought because national health hospitals in the capital a coping better with corona virus in a highly praised high-speed build involving an unprecedented partnership between the NHS and the Ministry of Defence. The Vast Excel Conference Center in east. London has been converted into a hospital ready to take up to five hundred patients in the first wave emboldened by the success of the nine day civil and military planners working on building emergency hospitals around the country the new hospital in London. We'll have up to eighty wards a forty two beds each requiring two hundred Staf. Who'll be expected to work in two twelve hour shifts to ensure patients receive the round? The clock care required to keep them alive. Prince Charles himself recovering from Corona virus in Scotland. Open the hospital remotely saying it was without a doubt a spectacular and almost unbelievable feat of work and an example if everyone was needed of how the impossible can be made possible and how we can achieve the unthinkable through human will and ingenuity. You can subscribe to five minute news with your preferred podcast APP. Ask Your Smart Speaker or enable five minute news as your Amazon Alexa. Flash BRIEFING SCALE VISIT US online at five minute. 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Jobs, Inflation And The Phillips Curve

The Indicator from Planet Money

09:59 min | 2 years ago

Jobs, Inflation And The Phillips Curve

"So, you know card if we have been doing the indicator for just over a year, but you know, during that whole time, we have never missed a jobs Friday that's true every single month when the bureau of labor statistics releases its employment report, we always do show about it. Except last Friday, I know because he indicators at this big economic conference in Atlanta. So we figured hey, it's no big deal. It's just one jobs report. Right after the holidays, how big of a deal could it really be to just miss it. This one time breaking news now with the release of the monthly jobs report. The president call today's jobs report greats three hundred twelve thousand jobs added during the month hopes. We've got to do Cardiff jobs Monday. This is the indicator I'm Garcia, and I'm Stacey Vanik Smith. And we are here in like sublease men see of giant Mary conference center in Atlanta with like thirteen thousand condoms all around us all staring at us. What just because we have a massive shotgun. My count. What's the big deal people? And we're yelling about job. No. And they're all talking about the jobs report, including quite a few famous economists. And today we hear from them about the jobs report. And Stacey we forgot something. Yes, we did. Support for this podcast and the following message. Come from a sauna Asana is work management software to help teams organize everything they do. So they can focus on the work that matters. Most try us on our free for thirty days. Get started at a son dot com slash indicator. Support also comes from UNITA budget their award winning app and proven method have helped hundreds of thousands of people gain total control of their money. Get out of debt and save more faster. Try it free at you. Need a budget dot com. So at this economics conference in Atlanta. There was this panel. I mean, there were a lot of panels. But there was a major panel. It was like the power panel to hear from three most important shapers of economic policy of our. Our panelists they need no introduction in this room. At least it was like Bianciotti Konya and Taylor swift were on a panel together. Actually don't know where you're going with this analogy. But I dig it I'm curious after a long career Viansa Brunetti, former chairman of the Federal Reserve steer the economy through the financial crisis. Followed a few years later by yelling after similarly accomplished chanted Konya Yellen. Ganja come from. This is. Having a weird year. It's having a weird year. Yellen though is of course, a former fed chair as well. She took over the fed after Ben banenky? And she happens to be the first female to chair the fed about time. And then finally there was g Powell is. He tricky Taylor swift Powell current chairman of the Federal Reserve behold the power panel. And of course, you know, the first topic that comes up is. Yeah. I mean, the jobs are jobs are here. That's why we're here. Yeah. It was a pretty stellar report. Three hundred twelve thousand jobs added in December strong wage growth. And of course, unemployment is still below four percent. And given that some other economic indicators have been signalling that maybe the economy was going to slow in twenty nineteen. This was surprising, and yeah, really fantastic report. And then here's Jay Powell's response. So very strong report today. Like running around the room, yelling USA USA. I mean, it is literally part of his job to be calming and not exciting. But what's your pals next was still kinda muted? But really interesting. That's that's quite welcome. And also for me at this time doesn't does not raise concerns about to high inflation does not raise concerns about to high inflation that seems like a weird comment to make right? Like, we add it all these jobs. But that doesn't mean I'm worried about inflation yet. But there is a reason that he immediately mentioned inflation economists discussed the relationship between unemployment and inflation all the time in that relationship is often referred to as the Phillips curve. And that's this idea that if enough people are working in other words, if unemployment is really low, then it will cause higher inflation that the pace at which prices of the things we buy will go up, more and more. So here's the idea when employment is low a couple things happened. I wage is start to go up because companies are competing for workers. So then companies raise the prices of things they sell because they have to make up for the money. They're losing to higher pay that causes piracy Shen second as wages. Go up. People have more money to buy stuff. So that also striving prices, and according to the Phillips curve, the reverse is also true. So when unemployment is really high then inflation should becoming down because then companies don't have to raise wages to compete for workers because there's just more workers out there who need a job, and we got kind of test to this starting back in the very late nineteen seventies and early nineteen eighties. Inflation was really high and seemed to be out of control prices were rising and rising and rising and then Paul Volcker PUM Jagger Volker. Okay that works. He was the head of the Federal Reserve at the time and Volker did to get inflation under control. Was he raised interest rates all the way to twenty percent by comparison interest rates right now. Short-term interest rates are two percent. All right. So raising interest rates all the way to twenty percent lead to a weaker Connie and unemployment went up way up. It went all the way up to ten percent. But inflation did come down. And ultimately the economy settled down and seemed to be on track by the early eighties, which brings us back to Jay house comment. The unemployment rate is low right now and in twenty eighteen wage growth did start exceleron. And so everybody's wondering is chair pal. A look at this and worry about inflation. And then going to keep raising interest rates to prevent inflation from spiking higher for me. At this time doesn't does not raise concerns about to high inflation Jerry Palestine, the even though unemployment is low and wage growth is rising. It doesn't necessarily mean that higher inflation will follow. So this relationship between inflation in jobs, even though the Phillips curve predicts it POWs, not really seeing it death-list curvy and Janet Yellen, by the way, Janet Conde gallon agreed. The linkage. So I believe that there is a linkage between slack in the labor market in product markets and inflation, but the strength of that linkage is not very great. So we have relatively flat Phillips curve is in the way of putting that a flat Phillips curve. So nick. Phillips curve dead. So so to use a slaying economic jargon. This is in dodge Innis, phenomenon dodgy phenomenon exactly I was just thinking that you know, what? But also he recognized that he was dropping a jargon bomb. So that's okay. Basically, what Bernanke saying is that the relationship between unemployment and inflation has changed. And he says it started changing with Volker in the late seventies. Chairman Volcker three of us a big favor by hanging flation under control, and helping to anchor inflation expectation, basically back when inflation was super high in the seventies people then saw that the Federal Reserve would raise interest rates really high. If it needed to to bring inflation back down and ever since then inflation has stayed low because of that people in companies right now don't think there's much of a chance that inflation will get out of the Fed's control in the future. And here's the key people and companies act accordingly because if they worried that inflation was going to be much higher in the future. They would spend more money now while their dollar would still buy stuff and companies would raise prices to try to get ahead of the trend and that would contribute to inflation going higher right now. But. It's not happening right now. Unemployment is low and yes wage growth is going up, but companies are not raising their prices aggressively. And what Ben Bernanke you saying is that it's precisely because of what the fed did in the past that the link between low unemployment and high inflation is weaker than it used to be and the gave us flexibility the ability to to take very stimulant of steps without worrying place, you'll become immediate problem. And that's the quote in dodge in his reason, why the Phillips curve is so flat thinks part of the reason inflation stays in. Check is because of this faith in the job of Federal Reserve chair that faith is part of what changed the economic relationship between unemployment and prices, so the communists still strongly debate whether the Phillips curve is really dead or just resting. But if it is then it was possibly killed by the people in this room people with this job fed chair. In other words, it's Dazs Innis. The indicator is produced by Constanza guy Gherardo edited by paddy Hirsch and produced by NPR. 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Roland A. Wiley

Revision Path

1:12:31 hr | 9 months ago

Roland A. Wiley

"Are you looking for a job? Are you hiring but struggling to diversify your candidate pool? They come check it. Our job board at revision pass dot com forward slash jobs. This week design action. Collective is looking for a lead web designer in Oakland California company. Stop Making excuses on your DNA efforts. Post your job listings with us for just ninety nine dollars. You're listening. We'll be on our job board for thirty days and will spread the word for you throughout our podcast get started with us and expand your job. Search today revision path dot com forward slash jobs. You're listening to the revision path. Podcast a weekly showcase of the world's black graphic designers web designers and web developers through in-depth interviews. You'll learn their work their goals and what inspires them as creative individual. Here's your host Maurice Cherry. Hello everybody welcome to revision path. I'm Maurice Cherry and before we get into this. We just have to pause and acknowledge the milestone. We have just reached seven years. Seven years in podcasting is turning so the fact that we're still around still going strong and still making change and making a difference is really all because of you. Thank you to all of you. Who have listened to the show to have shared it with others and who really just helps spread. The word about what revisions path is about. This show would not be here without you. So thank you now. Let's talk about our sponsors. Facebook DESIGN AND ABSTRACT. Facebook design is a proud sponsor over vision path to learn more about how the facebook design communities designing for human needs an unprecedented scale. Please visit facebook. Dot Design this episode is also brought to you by abstract design. Workflow management for modern design teams spend less time searching design files and tracking down feedback and spend more time focusing on innovation and collaboration like glitch but for designers abstract is your team's version control source of truth for design were conversion sketch designed files present. Work request reviews collect feedback and give developers direct access to all specs all from one place. Sign your team up for fourteen day trial today by heading over to. Www DOT abstract dot com. Now for this week's interview as you know last month we were in Los Angeles and we did our first live show of twenty twenty so this interview actually comes from that life show. I talked with a wildly. There was a Los Angeles based architect and principal at raw international. Let's start the show. How this is GonNa take place as Maurice is actually going to be interviewing Roland Wiley. Maurice Cherry works as creative. Strategist at glitch. He is also the host and founder of revision path. The award winning podcast that he launched in two thousand thirteen. And what we're about to witness tonight. Live his in depth interviews showcasing. Black creatives has the honor of being the first podcasts. To be added to the permanent collection of the Smithsonian's National Museum of African American yes of African history and culture other projects Maurice has provided to the world include the Black Weblog Award in Twenty eight days of the web to name. A few Maurice is the recipient of the two thousand eighteen Steven Heller Prize for cultural commentary from Asia was named one of graphic design. Usa's two thousand eighteen people to watch and included in the route. One hundred the annual list of the most influential African Americans ages twenty five to forty five his projects and overall design work advocacy have been recognized by Apple. Adobe AGFA and NPR. Let me now introduce role in a wily. He considers himself an urban visionary whose alternate goal as an architect is to build cities from the people up. He has over thirty seven years of experience and is founding partner of the L. A. Based architectural firm Raw International. A Nationally Recognized Award Winning Studio. Who'S PROJECTS RANGE FROM TRANSIT? Planning to sanctuary design. He has passionately advocated for the sustainable revitalization of urban communities through both the professional and civic activities notable projects have included the Union Station Gateway East Puerto Building motown headquarters in La and more recently on the planning and design of transformational projects here in the crenshaw community such as the crenshaw lax transit project. Lemur part Master Planning and Destination Crenshaw is firm has served in a leadership role in all of these projects was with a consistent goal of transforming the physical environment while empowering and preserving the culture of the existing residents. Please help me welcome. Maurice Cherry and rolling a widely may for that introduction. Thank you all for coming out tonight for this live recording of revision path rolling wildly prefer rolling. Wiley or rolling a wily. Well let's let's see Roland widely just because it's easier to say but I like rolling a wily because those are the initials of our company wrong international. Gotcha okay all right. So we'll start things off so rolling. Tell us who you are and what you do my goodness Maurice us. It's a tough one that would last all our let me let me see. Let me see where where I start. I will start with. I'm a man of God. I'm cousin family man. I have a beautiful wife here Andrea Us. Give a hammer and the one. I have two sons Randall. Who's twenty one and Roland? Who's twenty three and architect and being an architect that is something that is really my passion? I truly enjoy it. And it's a very tough profession for anybody but particularly a black man. It's a very hard profession. Well we'll get into that certainly throughout the rest of the interview. But for starters just tell me about your day to day work man it. We'll just start with today. Okay get to the office at six o'clock. I had a large presentation at the veteran's affair in in Westwood and is for eight hundred car parking structure now you may think parking structure but a parking structure eight hundred car. Parking structure is a big deal. There's like a room of twelve people. Everybody with the different opinion from administrative to safety to psychology to architecture landscape architecture. Everybody has an idea and we are the ones. We are the leaders. We have to direct all of these interests all of these burying interests into a project that safe cost effective and beautiful as an architect. That's the challenge. So after that I get to the office and we're working on the Beverly Hills City Hall. We're renovating the tower. Beverly Hills City Hall. Okay and so I just find out we get our plan check corrections from Beverly Hills City Hall and there were luminous so then I wonder okay. I gotTA deal with that. I'm leaving town tomorrow. And so then I have to plan all staff to make sure staff is assigned and they know what they're going to be doing while I'm away. In addition to that there was a an employee issue that a long email went out and I had to be the peacemaker. To mitigate whatever feelings are hurt from that email that went out then after that before I got out the door my C. F. O. Made sure I went through all the invoices. They had to go out and determine how much we were. GonNa get paid for the month so it just goes. It just everyday is intense. Every day is something. That's what keeps you in it. Yeah so some of your current projects that were mentioned in the Intro Destination Crenshaw Crenshaw. Lax Transit Line. Can you talk just a little bit about your involvement in those? Those came about. Yeah I'll go chronologically because the crenshaw lax transit line which most of you know should be opening this year. Notwithstanding the delays that was somewhat the catalyst to what really energize me as an architect and urban visionary that was in one thousand nine hundred ninety three. We started planning this project in Nineteen ninety-three. Wow that's right. So that's that's how long it takes for a transit project to come to reality. That is not an exaggeration from from plant from concept to planning to funding to construction can easily take twenty years. But from that I started to get to understand to start to envision how transit can transform a community because crenshaw live in the crenshaw corridor live view park and I've always been disappointed about the crenshaw corridor the commercial retail infrastructure is so great but yet the investment is so small and that the history of that goes back to the white flight in the early sixties after the watch riots where the major commercial retail base disinvested from crenshaw and moved to the valley and then what moved in to the crenshaw corridor were smaller mom and pop stores barber shops hair salons and that kind of thing but it wasn't commensurate to the income of the folks lived view. Park Windsor Hills Baldwin Hills. They had just as much or more income than the people that move down into the valley so I couldn't understand. Why don't we have the same level of goods and services that were there prior so then you look at transit investment? A typical transit station probably costs about. I'd say about fifty seventy five million dollars just for the station. Entire Transit System from exposition to the airport cost about two billion dollars. That's a major investment in our community and at those stations. You've spent almost one hundred million dollars you know there ain't GonNa keep a barber shop or a hair salon. No they're going to make some kind of investment and that's when the kind of the term urban visionary came to me that I started to see. Well this could be so much more than what it is and some of those rendering. Show what we envision. What our firm vision of. How transit can transform a community so that went on for from ninety three all the way till today there several steps. You have a feasibility. Study that you have a major investment study that you have a route refinement. Study then you have a draft environmental impact study and then you start to get into preliminary engineering and design and construction at takes twenty years and here we are today. Twenty something years later and crenshaw's about to open but from there you just start to bend their spin off projects development around the station areas and then from there you look at destination crenshaw. That's how destination Chris Paul was born for those of you who don't know destination crenshaw is unapologetically black art program that goes from crayons. Lawson to Lamar Park that was born by Councilman Marquis Harris Dawson. He came to our. My Office called our office. He's by the way he specifically look for black architect. Although you think that might be usual it is not it's disappointingly not unusual and he wanted a black architect who knew this corridor and so we worked with Marquis and Joanne. Kim His deputy and he wanted to make lemonade. Eliminate and other words that section from Slauson to crunch At grade and everybody feels they got the short change by having an agrade train as opposed to everywhere else is subway. There was a lot of contention about that so the councilman wanted to make out of lemonade or lemonade. Out of lemon and we thought well look. This is the only place that somebody coming from the airport with see any part of crenshaw that section everything else subway so what can we do to talk about crenshaw? Yeah what can we do to talk about who we are? And that's how we came up with the idea of this lineal art gallery that that celebrated Black Culture Black Culture in Los Angeles. There's so many people that grew up. That worked that live that learned in the Crenshaw Corridor. Who are famous Marvin Gaye Tina Turner? It just goes on and on and they're not celebrated they're not they're celebrated all everywhere else community. Yeah and so. That was the idea to represent us in a way the celebrated our culture and people come in from around the world with see it because it would be at grade. People were looking out at the train. Someone Win and get out of here. Check it out. So that's kind of you know a quick story how I became so passionate about transformation. Okay we'll definitely dive a little bit more into those projects as we keep talking. But I'm curious to know kind of where the spark came from like. Where did YOU SORTA I get? The notion of like architecture is the thing that I wanNA do. I can see the vision of things so I wanNA take it back. Tell me about where you grew up man. I'm going there tomorrow. Indianapolis Indiana okay. Right that's my hometown is a great place to grow up. I'm a proud product of a public schools public grade school public high school. I got a state. Scholarship pay my tuition and a ball. State University was the only accredited school of architecture in the state Graduated from Ball State University and came out to Los Angeles immediately after graduation. I always wanted to be an architect. I love buildings even as a as a child and ironically I. I still remember the day I discovered. I wanted to be an architect. Tell us about it. I was with my mom and we have Volkswagen and I was about five or six years old and I remember the Volkswagens on the Dash. Had this little rubber handle that you grab onto. I remember I would grab on a hand on kind of chew on it. I was a kid. I was a kid. She won't look out the window and I'd be downtown looking at the at the building. I asked my mom. I said mom who makes the most money as she said well doctors and even then I knew I don't like blood not going to be doctors and lawyers and I'm like well. That sounds kind of boring. And then she said architects architects. What's an architect? And she said well they built buildings and at that point. I knew I wanted to be an architect and because I love buildings I loved the built environment. I love the just the energy of a building just looking at a building and seeing what the dialogue it has with you. Every building had saying something. It's many times negative. But they're all saying something. Yeah and so That's were rolling and I was sort of driving around. La yesterday and we passed by a police station. Really sharp jagged amber rocks outside. Like I guess they sort of like how you would normally see shrubbery or topiary or something. These rocks as if to say. Don't come here. Don't sit here or whatever. It was really like an odd bit of like defensive design and said every building said something to you that was in skid row by the way That that was don't even think about laying down around here and I think that's really unfortunate but that's that's the language architecture does have that ability to speak and so from from that point. I wanted to be an architect and I was very fortunate to have role models or to see architects. Who looked like me at a very early age. That was a blessing. So that was in Indianapolis you those role models. Yes in I was about to fourth grade. We went on a field trip to an architect's office was Walter Blackburn. I didn't know anything about anything. Except he's an architect he's black and I want to be an architect so I guess I'm GonNa be architectures. That was a blessing. It really was. I didn't know at that time that you don't really get to see those those role models that was a very fortunate set of event because in my mind. I wanted to be an architect. I saw a black architect I saw office. So what's the problem? Although there were plenty of people who didn't think I could be an architect when I was in high school graduating my guidance. Counselor I told him I WANNA go to architecture school. At that time I had a work study program where I worked. I go to school in the morning. I worked at the City Hall in Indianapolis on the twentieth floor. A Counselor said you got a great job with benefits. Were you WANNA go to architecture school for just call? Look Dan. How's like but but on the serious tip just think how many young black men have been discouraged from following their dreams because they didn't see a role model and they had a person of authority that told them they couldn't do it And that that was disturbing. Yeah you had asked me to serve yesterday. Sorta during our drive like drive. We were at humor park at the out of remember. What the name of the coffee show. How cool how cool. Okay we red hot and cool and you were asking me sort of out of the three hundred plus people I've talked to like what's one of the common things and I was telling you like. It's sort of that like lack of a role model or person that they can see. That's in some position of authority or whatever when their child when their in their formative years to say okay. This is something that I can do myself like seemed to be a very sort of common thread. So That's interesting that you were able to kind of have that as an early influence for you. Was it like that? Also at ball state when you're studying architecture no architecture is is in. That's where I started to learn. It's back then and today is there's a white male elitists profession the curriculum you get indoctrinated into the white male elite us. And you don't even know it is just de facto. The architects the classical architects. The modern architects the cutting edge architects. They were all white male with no exception at that time. And that's something that to this day. Disturbs me in terms of the architectural curriculum? And how one is indoctrinated into a certain way of thinking where you don't see yourself you don't see your culture. Yeah you don't see a way to express who you are. You have to find a way to fit in and to speak that language when your language is just as relevant if not more relevant if given the chance and given the venue to express into practice it reminds me of This is an essay by the late. Sylvia Harris it's in this anthology from Steven Heller called education of a graphic designer and so she has an essay in there titled Searching For an African American design aesthetic or think it's black design aesthetic but she talks about mostly about education and how for black students often learning out of imitation as opposed to kind of like what their culture is about so they learn about Swiss styles in Germany styles and Dutch styles etc. But then it's like well if I'm a black design student are we learning about Nigerian style or Botswanan styles or South African styles and the answer is no you know and I wonder. Why is that still today? When we have access to the Internet we start to know our history available but yet we still don't know who we are when I was at ball state and I don't know how a why I did it. I research the Pyramids and the construction of the Pyramids and was was crazy. I didn't realize they were because the Egyptians were black because those illustrations that I research they were all just people drew illustrations of how they were built with white looking. Egyptians and so I knew it was an Africa but it wasn't until far after I graduated and I went to Egypt that I saw those folks look like me. Yeah they look just like me. We design those pyramid. The folks that look like me designed structures that far exceed what the classical Greek temples were that far exceed any monuments that have been built to this day were designed and built by people like me and so that looked like me and so that open up a door to me to explore more about what what else do I don't know what else have I been indoctrinated. And that is not true. And that's the journey on one to this day to discover who we are as a people so that we can express our design aesthetic that comes from our spirit that comes from some some discipline that you've been given and that you've been taught but it comes from your spirit there it's a we are a very spiritual people and. I think that we are in danger of losing that spiritual connection because we are so busy. Trying to adapt adopt and fit in to what popular culture is which is not us. When did you end up moving to la? Was it right after Balsa? Yep So my ass. People actually well. Why don't you come to la? Say you've been Indianapolis ever be like. It's a great place to raise a family. It really is but in terms of a career in architecture. I can imagine where what Pigeonhole I might be fall into. Indianapolis and I just want to be someplace. Warm weather is extremely cold. That's fair in Indianapolis and I was just again another blessing. I just feel like God has been very good in my life and I had a lot of interviews right out of school then Nice little resume and had interview setup and one of the interviews. It was at grew and associates. They're internationally known architectural firm. They're known for creating the inventing the shopping center and I was in the lobby. This great international style lobby and this sober head caramel skin. Woman walks up to me who I thought. That's the secretary the guy who's going to I'm going to interview. And she entered deuces ourself. I'm Norma's cleric and I'm going to interview. Norma S- cleric is the first black licensed architect in America. Wow and that's history from there I mean. Of course I was terribly intimidated by. She had a New York accent very nice looking woman and she took me back to the studio a CD of white shirts and white men and she's the boss over then. She walks me down the row because I did well in the interview. She made an offer. The first person she stopped introduced me to this young black man named Steve Lot. Steve Lot was just Mr Khoo. La Cool and I was Mr Polyester waren country so we became very good friends. He taught me the ways of La and became business partners. And we're business partners to this day. Nice Nice what was La like back. Then when I got done before and yet I got married was back in the in the eighties late seventies eighties. La was live and it was a new experience for me. There was just so much action so much activity so much to explore People Black People upwardly mobile interesting had layers of experience and travel and the party scene all of that. It was just happening back then that back then they had they had clubs speak easy. Jackie O's red onion places. You could just go know talking about but just places you could go and just experience. La and then on the other hand had friends from all spectrums. So I'd go. Backpacking up to Sequoia National Park at race. I had a friend that had a portion. We'd go porsche racing and you know it's just so many opportunities that I had no clue about in Indiana that this whole wide world was opening up for me and it was just every day wasn't adventure then at work just get tremendous opportunities. Norma at I think I was a pretty good architects. Oh if you good she's GonNa give you a shot on. Open up some doors for you professionally. Norma opened up doors for me and gave me opportunities to work on a really good projects really high profile projects and I got a chance to work closely with one of the partners Alan Rubinstein and he just opened up more doors for me and I started to make personal relationships with some of his client to they. Just talk to me because you know I got the job done and Alan was happy. What was it like being a black architect then versus now again. I was blessed because I saw norma. Yeah and I was like okay. I do this and then in Los Angeles at that time. There were several successful black architectural firms. Bob Can Art Harold Williams John Williams. Jack Heywood Vince probey. Just it went on and on and they were successful because they had political leadership. That would advocate for them that they would tell a developer. You are hiring. This black architect wind story. There ain't no minority or small business architect. Yeah and that enabled black to build a really good body of work. They got major county projects. They got major institutional projects. They got major educational projects because of the leadership would advocate for them so once again. I was very fortunate to see Success. Examples of success examples of black architects who were successful and then also to give honor to Paul Williams. He died the year. After I got here he died in. Nineteen eighty. Okay and I remember the day at Gruen. Somebody walked up to my desk. Paul Williams just died and I said well who's Paul Williams and they looked at me like I had three is. I didn't know and a lot of people didn't know and people are only now starting to understand his legacy and his greatness and so there was always a glass ceiling for black architects. Always however that glass ceiling was substantially higher than the ceiling for black architects is today for black architectural firms. Today and I mentioned that earlier there to statistics we need to know about black architects. One is at nationwide. There's only two percent of all license. Architects are black. That was that's been the same for fifty years to precise estate at two percent. Is that right? Steve is for for fifty years fifty two years. Two percent of all licensed architects are black. That is a sobering statistic but it speaks to the lack of nurturing the lack of opportunities for black architects. I might go a little further. Maurice to say that I don't blame White Society for that. Actually I blame more black society. We don't need why Phosa Hirose at black folks. What Hiros we'd be just fine. I believe that situation goes across the board. That's that's a we're at this crossroads right now. We got to turn around and start helping each other. We gotTA start reaching back. We gotta start trusting one another. We have to start loving one another. But that's all connected to knowing who you are and who you are and where come from and that's the spiritual aspect that I believe is continually being pushed out of our culture that is essential to our culture and essential to us being able to come together now early on when you introduce yourself though the those the first thing you said you're like I'm a man of God. How does your faith influence your work in the projects that you take well number one influences me to keep getting up coming coming toward believing that the vision I have for myself my my profession? My career will happen may not happen in my time. But it's going to happen as long as I stay under this umbrella of faith stay under this belief in God this God centered life where God is at the top of my life. It's like a pyramid. We're God's at the top my family and my community is at the base and everything else fits inside that pyramid. And as long as I stay within I call it an integrity box. I believe that I will achieve what God has set for me. And it's it's a journey of obedience. It's a journey of humility. And it's it's a journey of discernment so something that's sort of big right now. I think in La probably many other. Urban areas is gentrification. Something interesting you said. In our earlier conversation we had was that you see gentrification as a catalyst to Afro Future Ism can you expound on that a bit it goes back to the point I said about crossroads. We're at a very critical point in our society and in our country and I believe it's really dependent upon all of us especially black people to break out. Whatever these this chain we have around our brains and to express ourselves. We're getting pushed out pushed around oppressed and yet the talented tenth. That they're always going to get. There's yeah but then you got ninety percent that aren't and so this is what's happening with. I think gentrification isn't a fair word but that's the word because it's a negative but there are there are positive things about gentrification. Steve talked about good. Things can happen but you have to have ways to ensure that we are not displaced from our communities this right ear. Lamar duparc Baldwin Hills wizar- hills this is one the last intact black communities in urban America. And we are threatened. And so this we've seen what happened in Harlem. We've seen what happened in new street. We need to understand that and come together with our creative unlimited creativity and work together to make statements that help to mitigate this term called gentrification so that we can have this balance we can stay in our communities and other demographics are welcome to come in our community but this is our community and we should have a culture that speaks to our community. And that's why our park is so important is so important to amplify what Lamar Park is. It is the Cultural Capital of black Los Angeles and I believe it will set an example to be the cultural capital of black America. There's there's so much potential here in the park in a matter of catalyzing all the potential we have this building here owned by a black man. Now now I'm getting old. I've I've forgotten how calloway thread Kaushik. Thank you dame in across the street community build is owned by a black organization. You've got been called chaos black on you. And then you've got the anchor of Art Practice. They own about three buildings. Mark Bradford the internationally known artists Black Man. And you've got all these black ownership. Housing project was on. Well he sold it. But he's a black man that some of those buildings on forty third place are owned by black owned. Pull well for callaway. Owns this whole block. So you've got this opportunity and across the street across the street. This parking lot should be black on. It's going to go out for a developer R P. I'm going to be the develop. I'm telling you that right now. You know bees developer for this site across the street and it's going to be African American cultural and Conference Center that celebrates our culture that that talks about our history from whether you want to know the Hebrew history the African history the Morrish history up all of the all of the rich history that we have that we don't celebrate the many of us don't even know you know our roots before slavery which are deep and important that define us but we don't know but once we do know I tell you that we're going to have our power. We know who we are. Got rebuilds to us who we are and whose we are. That's when the power's GONNA happen. And that's when you're GONNA see tremendous change right right absolutely so we've been seeing. Some of your projects are cycling. Highness as we've been talking when you look back at like the portfolio of work that you've done is there one project in particular that really stands out to you as being like your signature project. Not yet now yes easy to say that's one of my biggest struggles is my body of work and the only comfort. I have is that architects. Don't really reach their stride. Until they get in their sixties and Seventies. That's my comfort is as you know. The best is yet to come and Cultural Conference Center across the street. I feel very good about the future. My experience and my body of work. I've had a lot of great projects. Destination Crenshaw was was a great experience I got to work with nips you hustle. I was there the night that the name Destination Crenshaw was born you park prep the new school the Middle School. We had a community meeting and Nipsy Russell would agree to be there. The whole school showed up off. People know kids show up at a community meet the whole school. We had that we had captured them. And we got some great ideas from them about what this project could be. And that's why so important for us a bill that bridge with our young people. They're the ones that came up with the idea. Call it Hashtag Destination Crenshaw because they wanted to make it a I again. I'm not a social media person. But they wanted to have it as social media and it was born out of their vision out of their understanding of where we are today and so they had that kind of vision that creative vision of a social media and we have that knowledge of architecture planning infrastructure. And that's where I think the power is going to be when we come together the two generations. Yeah let's shift gears a little bit. There's anecdote that she told me yesterday while we were riding around about Muhammad Ali. You can share the antidote. If you want to share as a lead into that who are some of the people that are really like inspired you throughout your career. Norma's glare she was. She was one of the first people that I was just an all of and actually my business partner. Steve Lot Steve. Louis I see Steve. Lot was one of the most talented men I know in St Louis is one of the nicest men that I know and talented and between the two I. I kind of grabbed something from both of them and try to try to be who I am. There have been men. My Dad played the most the influence in my life of being a good man and being honest he got up and went to work every day. He took care of his family and never fail and that I got the benefit of seeing that to see in how a man models manhood no matter how he was discriminated against. He came from the south even in his job. He still kept doing what he did. And that inspired me to to just keep getting up. There's always gonNA be disappointment. There's always going to be discrimination and then Muhammad Ali Mohammed Ali as as a young man. I observed him and I was so impressed by how you couldn't stop it. He was so confident and so arrogant to a point but he believed in himself. And you have to be that way in order to win to fight that fight and even though they took away his belt he kept fighting even though they prosecuted and try to hold him down he kept fighting and he was he sacrificed. He sacrificed his life for what he believed and he sacrificed his livelihood for what he believed in. And that's something that's very important to me and I think as all of us get into the business world you have to be careful not to compromise because your integrity is so important as you get older and you you start to. Maybe enjoy some success. You WanNa have success with some integrity. Yeah and so. That's what I saw in Muhammed Ali. That's what I saw in some of the older athletes particularly Muhammad Ali. And it's just always stay with me. Do Your Sons WanNa follow in your footsteps? No THEY WANNA follow in my footsteps in terms of being a businessman. They see how hard I work and they see that. Where's the money kids? They're about him. Pay Their bag in paid and now working hard and have fun is a whole nother kind of you know. Value System that the millennials and whatever the other generations you call you call them but it's very digitally based and they just work from a different para on both of my sons definitely have high ambitions and they want to do well in life and they would be interested in working with me if I'm able to turn the corner and turn like an architectural firm a traditional architectural firm into something that is non traditional that speaks to some of the community building that I'm talking about. Okay that's interesting the here. We have a lot of designers here in the room. Of course this is American Institute of Graphic Arts all that jazz. What advice would you give to designers that are looking to kind of use their skills and their gifts for? Let's say I want to say community activism because I feel like a lot of the work that you're doing is putting back into the community you're making and creating these built spaces that not only celebrate the community but also sort of it gives it a place. It gives a marker of some sort. What advice would you give for someone that wants to sort of follow in that same fashion? The first thing I would say is believe in yourself. Whatever it is that in your heart that you're passionate about you gotta believe in yourself because the world is going to try to tell you different. The world is going to try to make you conform to what they think you should be. Whatever demographic you fit in so believing in yourself is number one and give back gotta give back is so important to give back to share. Your gifts is so important and I think if you do those two things things will start happening. Because if you're giving back things happen they just doors open opportunities. Come I mean this is opportunity? Terry skied because I I. I'm in Lamar Park. Giving and Terry just say you know talked a role and here I am. I mean we were yesterday again. We were at the coffee shop and I got to see it in action. I mean every person out here like cave shook your hair you talk like thinking you even talked someone down. That was kind of like having a bad day. And everything like. It's amazing how much you're a part of this community and how much you give back to it you know. So it really sort of establishes you as being of the community but also someone that cares about where the community goes in the future. I just think that's important and everybody that you know I can see you. Ask Them for that advice. Everybody everybody has a way of giving back your your way in. May Not Become Moore Park Dillwyn homeless people and stuff like that but everybody can give back. Everybody has as a way has has a gift to share and to give back. What's been the most important lesson of your career man? My goodness I think you know. That's that's very interesting. The most important part of my career I think is is is my constitution of integrity. Because I've made there been some tough decisions and I made the decision based on integrity. Although was extremely tempting to go the other way and I chose integrity. Now certainly didn't help my bank account but I chose integrity piece and I think peace is the most important thing that a man or a woman in have in their life. No all of your projects. At least from the ones that again that are cycling behind us and dissipation crenshaw and the others that you mentioned they have these very long time line so maybe this question might not apply. But I'm asking anyway like where do you see yourself in the next five years like it's twenty twenty five What do you see yourself working on? See this cultural conference center just being completed. It's a five year plan. We're in the very first second. And the second month of that five year plan I see two years. Spent getting financing and getting the right financial pro forma funders partners all of that lined up three or construction project my lease mile. Our Office is downtown. My lease expires in five years. I plan on having my office on the top floor is going to be a five story structure of this Cultural Conference Center and I plan on using that. As an example they encourage communities across the country on how to pull their resources together and not trust or depend on. Government are any charitable venues but to be self supporting and have a level of self determination. My wife doesn't like that that term so determination but the fact of putting it all together with your own resources I I use. Booker. T. Washington as an example back in the day. There was this clash if you will. They stay they'd like to divide us back then. It was booker. T. Washington and W E boy. Yeah then it was. Martin Luther King and Malcolm X. But Booker T. Washington started the first architectural school at Tuskegee and his whole curriculum was designing construction maintaining building making the bricks understanding. How the whole cycle of building construction? That's an architect was a master builder. That was the first black architectural school. The second school was Howard University and Howard. University was one of the leaders was w e the boy and w e Howard University needed federal funding To Fund the school so they had to act like the traditional white architect. Who is the role? Don't roll up your sleeves. You know white shirt. Don't get your hands dirty just design and so unfortunately that school of thought became prevalent in all schools black schools of architecture so we kind of. Meld it in or with the traditional white male elitists former practicing. And that's now we are emulating. We wanted to so much be like them and so here we are two percent and that's what we want to do with this. Cultural Conference Center is build it. Manage it. Maintain it there's there'll be a catering kitchen partner with L. A. Trade TECH BILL. Jobs have people have a sense of ownership to this project offer. Public shares community combined shares in too. Because it's not a charity. It's a prophet. There's revenue streams. We want to make something that people can feel own. People can feel that they're getting paid and it's been a source of jobs. We just didn't get that you know architecture school just teaches you how to bill make bill pretty buildings and then on top of that only ten percent get to do that. So it's really. I think. The whole education architecture education process for particularly for black architects needs to change. Do you think black. Architects design like white architects. We try and you see where that's getting us. What do you mean Burnett look around so my point out a building that was designed by a black architect? And that's probably a nice building by point is there ain't a whole lot and if you look around the city scape today you drive up and down crenshaw all these new buildings going up. I'M GONNA BE SAFE to say. One of them was designed by a black architect. I don't know if it was but I'll just say I would say none now. That's a horrible statement. But we're trying so hard to be like them and sometimes I think they'd be laughing at us because we're not moving forward. We've got to come together and understand it's about us. Yeah we don't we don't need them. I mean everybody else's all good but we need to start supporting us. We knew. Start loving us but then it goes right back to. We don't know who we are. And that's what this Cultural Conference Center. The concept of it is to teach us who we are. This is a place of learning. We're broken people. We have four hundred years of slavery oppression affliction would traumatize. And we're sitting around here not recognizing it. The end result is where we are and so two to understand that and biblically base. If you read the Bible and not look at it as a myth but look at it as a history book and don't Allow Society to marginalize it because the moral trends of society today think the Bible is old fashioned and you should just do what you WanNa do. That's very dangerous because the Bible is our history and that's a paradigm that many of us don't know it's not just Jesus with black was black in the Bible if you go back to biblical times and look at. What did people look like? Thousands of years ago in Israel in Persia in Syria. I s when you read the Bible you read about people that look like us. We don't recognize that if we knew that. That's where the power and and that's why I have peace my wife. She's much more aggressive about it. I don't have time. People are talking about is start glazing over guys might have to touch you drop see. I'm moving on paid. I got work to do. I know that selfish. I'm sorry. Yeah my wife to GonNa make me do better roll. This has been a great conversation again. I want to thank you for sharing. You know about your work and about your life. Where can people find out more about you and about your projects and what you're doing. Www rauner national dot com. It's a very outdated website. That needs help. I'm happy to get your comments. We have a the murder part village Terry Merck Park Village Dot. Org will talk about the Cultural Conference Center. But that's one of the things. My goal is to get better with social media and understand the digital age a lot more. I need to do better. Well I think certainly with this work that you're doing that's making these big public spaces and everything. The word will get out there so being ahead of it will help a lot. I think yes. Well I mean that's the conversation. I WanNa thank you rolling so much for coming on the show for sharing your story when you were introduced as an urban visionary really saw yesterday when we wrote around for people that are listening. We wrote around. La showed me view park. And I think it was the view coming down towards Saint Bernadette S- shells believe at the Catholic school. Yeah on stock. Not Don Philippi Don Pooley Bay and I forgot the scene of you like that and when I think of the term urban visionary it makes me think for you that you probably see so many spaces like you see the possibility you can look at the empty lot and see what can come up there you can look at. Maybe the you know blighted building and see what it should be and I like more of that is what's needed as we progress into the future. Because certainly you know. La's a big city La's overpopulated city and so there's GonNa be a need to have more spaces that are not just for us but also to help make sure that we have equitable future. And I think it's really great that you're one of the vanguards of helping to make that happen so thank you for coming on the show. I appreciate it. Thank you Maurice and I do also congratulate you on your achievement with the Smithsonian and. I know your mom is very proud of you. Thank where's where's may have asked questions even just come here please. Two things real quick one just to clarify a point of correction about normal. She was the first black licensed female architect in California. The other thing is the constant sort of return to how we have been victims of Miss Education or under education. How important you feel inculcating are true histories authentically told by us today into curriculum would be in freeing just providing knowledge that you feel is essential for particularly our young people to go beyond where they've been able to go so far. I have a simple theory about imagery and television and education is all about inspiring people and I think the majority demographics get inspired all day long but reading history about their history and their achievements in just there just all good but it's rare that we in particularly in architecture read about our success. Our journey our knowledge. So I think just by showing and illustrating those kinds of success stories. Even do something about Norma something about Paul Williams. That's in our curriculum. That it starts to young people will just be automatically. Have that kind of impression that all okay. Somebody like me is doing it. I I know I could do that so that that's where I see that need and education. I give you props in your shoes with some shoes shoes. My Son my son game to him for Christmas. I taste you mentioned earlier. About how buildings speak different things to you and you know how senior project to take years and years. How do you maintain keeping your vision along with like Nike loss with like politics or things like that considering a project? One of the things that that keeps me motivated on these long projects is to have like in the queue. More projects like crenshaw's opening this year. Hopefully we're working on the west side extension. Which is a subway to the sea under Wilshire? Boulevard that's not gonNA open for another six years but see that's in the queue and you think the crenshaw project's GonNa be transformative watch. This Wilshire. Project the Wilshire Corridor is GonNa explode you going to see high rises. It's going to be like New York data. It may take ten twenty years but you look twenty years from now. The Wilshire corridor between libra and Beverly Hills scholar. Like New York is going to look like New York. And so those are the kinds of things that keep me motivated. We're also doing the planning for the Crenshaw. North Project which means it's GonNa the Crenshaw Line will extend from exposition all the way up into Hollywood. That's going to be transformative so to have the opportunity to be vision in all of this transformation that that just gives me you know ten years ago by it just keeps going. Thank you so much for being here what I went to school. I went to Columbia in Chicago and I was going for interior architecture and anybody who looked like me so I wound up being a project manager for eight years I was burned out and pushed out by the Ivory Tower of it. All and now that I'm doing my own thing. How do you see people like me? Who are not necessarily of this neighborhood are of this people. I want to be able to give back. But how do we stop thinking that blackness as one monolith because I don't fit in I don't like you or I don't have your experience for us to be able to come together and be accepted in these neighborhoods? Which maybe we haven't been from originally but are part of because of our culture. I'm sorry. What is your name. Allison Allison one thing. I would recommend is to be active in organizations cultural organization professional organizations and I stress the word active noma the National Organization of minority architects every year we have a project pipeline is a summer camp for to introduce young kids to architecture and to to just be involved in that and then it's just door start to open you start to meet people you start to network Lamar Park. Has We love Lamar Park. Ns Cy young people like you that that are promoting Lamar Park. You have to search Kinda get in. Then you start to see this this network. But that's what I would really really encourage you to do even if you just start with noma that it just branches from their La has a tremendous network of black folks who are actively trying to make a difference in a in a positive way. Okay here's Shaw. Here is the next question based on all of your years of studying architecture. What why philosophies understandings about life about people have you gained over time? What have you career? What else ideas that? You share with people based on the ideas of architecture. That's deep number. One philosophy number one you you never give up. You never give up number two. I C the humanity of everybody. I see the human person I and I think that's important whether White Black Brown yellow or whatever I look for the humanity in a person and I think it's a mid western thing where you get people to benefit without just cause you're white. I'm not thinking. Oh you know you're a bad person or or anything like that. I look at their eyes. Fill their spirit. And then I listen so I think that it gives me a sense of confidence in any place that I go that I look for the humanity in a person and then go from. There is fairly simple i. I don't have a complex set of rules or you know I really base my life on on Biblical principle. Follow my passion there. There's something in everybody that you know you know that's what what you. WanNa do and it doesn't matter that will maybe it's not gonNA make a lot of money or maybe everybody else isn't doing it fast what you WanNa do. If that's where your passion is driving you. You should continue to pursue it. I roll it. Thank you so much for you both doing this and for the Center for doing this. I have two questions. One is short one requires detail the first one. What pushback if any have you experienced when it comes to using more sustainable materials and things can containers shipping containers or recycled materials when it comes to actually contributing to that structure because I know there is pushback and then the second part of the question is what pushback have you experienced when it comes to making our cities look futuristic? You know what I'm talking about so you speak to that for a little bit. The first question sustainable materials to things cost and logistics cost is is simple but sustainable materials. The brother here today Richard. Tim and he has a system of glass. It's not solar panels but this glass can transform into electric energy and so I was immediately intrigued and interested. Our my question is cost and so he gave me the answer that it can pay for itself and plus tax incentives and then. The second question is logistics logistics from an architectural perspective. Is You already I? C B O Number Research. Report number has been used before. What are some of the drawbacks that you don't know about yet? So those are the two major pushbacks if you will and it and it takes innovation and courage to take that step. I definitely want to follow up with ten. No one brother and I wanted you know see see anyway. I can help a brother. Who's and that's another thing. It's like if you see a brother or sister. There's about something positive. Y'All got to open up a door. You know just what we should be doing now. The second question. Repeat that second question I feel like our cities are not looking how they should look in twenty twenty vision right promised flying cars in we have those are not readily available. Okay so the great you laugh. You laugh about flying cars. But I'M GONNA go back to what I've been talking about since one thousand nine hundred eighty nine and that's autonomous vehicles. David Autonomous Vehicle. Technology has been in place since one thousand nine hundred eighty nine. You know why we don't see it yet. Besides people being scared but that's not the reason there's money. Insurance companies can get paid out on money. Que Get paid tax. Pay All these people that drivers unions don't get paid all these people to stand in line not to get paid are blocking. And that's what happens with technology now when a crisis happens then people start getting out of the way but right now that kind of technology futuristic technology is here is just there are competing interests that stand. The Ain't going to get paid so what I'm figuring. They're making deals with the insurance companies. Now they're making deals with the truck drivers union so they can share. Somehow these can move forward. Well thank you for doing this tonight. Man It's always a pleasure to listen to you and sharing your passion and your knowledge is really important. I had a question that goes to something where you know your notion of your your community center and the fact that you've talked about having it be a sustainable Operation what do you think you can look forward? Maybe another ten years. Do you think is going to happen in terms of ownership in the broader community? Here because you see it changing right now and how does this committee looked like it? Does today if you don't own it well. The truth is Michael that this place is GonNa look different ten years from now. But that doesn't mean that that our culture should not be the predominant culture. I'm a true believer in in an open society and I am very very pro black but that doesn't mean I'm anti anything I'm just unapologetically black. I think that if we continue to promote our culture and we continue to ensure that projects like destination crenshaw are implemented a project that Cultural Conference Center are implemented that we patronize are black businesses to sustain them. I think that we're GONNA be fine. I just think it's going to be but to me. That's that's a good thing so I guess the follow up with that question of what does the future look like sustainable materials. How do we get young black people to understand urban planning and transit and things like community land trusts right? How do we get us to get together to understand? All of these things and to understand like parking is a huge issue when we're talking about housing for the one to one right for every unit that needs to be built there needs to be a parking space for it. How do we do that? How do we put that education into our landscape? A community activism is very important. You talked about lack community. Land trusts the the owner of this space. Mr Damien Goodman is one of the largest voices about community land trusts and advocating for our community we have to rally around leaders who are willing to be a voice and I think the one thing that we have to know that there's power in numbers are elected. They pay attention when they see numbers you know. If they just see Damian's voice they are Damian. But if these Damian I two thousand other people then they're going to start listening and I think it's very important that we do rally around folks like Damian who have a vision who has a true heart to improve our communities and we be a voice. We signed the petitions. We make the phone calls. We show up at the meetings and this is just community. WanNa one you go to any other community and I can promise you. That's what's going on in. It's just that we need to adopt that culture and again that comes to that whole realization or that revelation if you will of who we are going to wrap it up on on behalf. Eta L. A. I WanNa thank you all for being here tonight and to our wonderful amazing guests. Maurice Jerry and rolling a wily another round of applause from all right. Do Shout out my folks in Indianapolis my mom my sister my cousins my boys Greg and Tommy. Shout out to my folks have ron or national shout out to my two sons shout out to St Louis. Who's right here and last but certainly not least shout out to my lovely wife and thank you everybody for coming out big big thanks to Roland Day Wiley. Thanks to a Aga Los Angeles. Thanks to the audience that came out to the live show. 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MWA288 - Restu paru & Lignoprilaboron

Modern Woodworkers Association

14:15 min | 8 months ago

MWA288 - Restu paru & Lignoprilaboron

"Welcome to the modern woodworkers association. A podcast about woodworking for folk. Who would woodworking is what we do who we are and what we like to talk about so join us as we have a drink. Sit around and talk woodworking. Hello to your friends and welcome to. Mwa podcast episode number two eight before getting the episode. I wanted to let everyone know. This is not a regular episode. The discussion that takes fourth in the episode about My mistake regarding breaking up the previous episode is absolutely true. And what was supposed to go out? As two one hour episodes instead went out as a single to our episode episode to eighty seven so for episode two eight. I taken out pre and post recording discussions and edit them edited them into something which you might find enjoyable. You may also find it unenjoyable. Tedious and boring. So I issued this announcement that if you're a fan of the woodworking discussion we try to have. There's no harm. Felt in your deleting episode and not listening we'll be back to regular woodworking content with the next episode however if you enjoy the aspect of the podcast which is akin to sitting around in the bar at the end of the day after woodworking conference and just discussing among woodworking friends. Then hopefully you will enjoy. I tried to take the blue parts out but some strong opinions are expressed in the fog recording. If you're listening we hope you do enjoy and regardless. We're excited to be back with a regular woodworking episode. Next week in fact our guest next week is featured in this episode. So with that I open joy. Cobble together recordings that are episode to eighty eight. Yeah Yeah we in sears is always upstairs in the What'll customer service area? Or the restrooms were laying motor city studios there too. Yeah you're right all right world record again Pizza I'll try to keep it to a minimum legitimately. Hear me smashing on pizza lately. Maybe lightly your selectively mute. You'll be fine. Oh Yeah I mean That I was you know I listen to the last couple episodes. And then maybe do I get quiet. Sometimes because my microphones on Jimbo I mean I can. I can bring it up a little closer but then I feel like I'm talking with my mouth within two inches of it. It was yes. I can talk like this if you'd like I'm going. I'm touching my pop filter. Oh Yeah Right. Which reminds me? I know we'll talk about it but don't put the Texas woodworking festival bumper in front of they haven't officially cancelled yet. But are they putting the old fighter woodworking live bumper just for shits giggles? Hello Modern Woodworkers Association podcast listeners. It's working podcastone Ben. Strength From Shop Talk Live. Reminding you about fine woodworking. Live April Twenty sixth through twenty eighth at the South Bridge Hotel and Conference Center in South Bridge Massachusetts. It's a fantastic show. I don't need to list the presenters because it's a WHO's who but I do need to tell you it's a great chance to buy. Yami plot beer so head on over to find ordering live dot com right now to register and get ready him being the Off The mixing boy. Oh you really should played at the beginning. And he just says woodworking live right he does not say twenty nineteen in there. Does he know the dates but not wrong? But yeah you can you could edit that out. And just it could be a bumper for these are strange times wherein currently very strange times I've been recording of this since we started talking about pizza. So I'M GONNA stop that recording the intro and we're GONNA start the recording and they'll let go. I'm kind of the opposite camp because it's getting it's getting better but I have a cordless circular saw that I really like. I have a cordless sixteen gauge finishing. Nailer that I really like. But my one thing is if vacuum connects cord. Who Cares you have to do it anyway? You don't need the cordless but but stuff outside the shop. Yeah I could see a good use case for cordless but if I'm in the shop yeah I really didn't make any sense because I connect is if I can connected to vacuum it's being connected to the back exactly yes because all my routers are connected the vacuum so what's the best sanders they're all connected to the vacuum. What the benefit. I don't some of this stuff I just don't get but if it doesn't connect to a vacuum absolutely go cordless when I'll really pay money for is the one that comes up with a quarterback you connection has somebody has a cordless not the vacuum running over battery vacuum sucking without a coats oak hose. Lewis vacuum vacuum. Yes that's probably a better Better way described. Yes yes that that would be a better way. Hoses vacuum all things just a wind tunnel. Got A gap unless we WANNA cut episode. We just did into to ask you about after your live session today. That about half the stuff that's going to talk about not perfect for the people that don't listen to that. Let's knows who's still working. I didn't even know there wasn't a yeah. I'm working. We'll no no I was working. I got paid for that. I know you working. Yeah I forgot to check instagram for a few hours on sold that. Oh Wow that's that started not that long ago and I Logged in going. Well I guess that's about wraps it up that's always the way it is. I think it's up there on the story so and back there was. Yeah that went to today. Didn't go smoothly. As as the first one I did Sunday a little bit of because it was Sunday. Yeah Yeah and I was on the laptop. I don't think I was hardwired in the shop. Yeh But it just. It was a lot smoother. This one I had my ipad. I made a stand for the TRIPOD. Hold my IPAD and my own and it was it was. It just. Didn't work these trying times. We make to ban it's going to be okay there. You Go. That's doing all right if that's all just so how's how's everyone doing good good you recognize. Everyone's voices I'm kyle shot him. Yeah well everybody knows. Geometry wars a little different. When I'm not yelling across you know a conference hall yes Garnett last after. Wait another year for that. Yeah so I don't know I guess I guess when get in here? I don't know we may be jumping all over the place but we'll we'll do what we can. I mean it's got I I don't know if it's going to be too terribly similar for my last episode where it might just be just straight up discussion. Yeah whatever he goes. I'm I'm game for anything. You know you could do a crossover. I would love to this American life. You know what it was weird. They did tour years ago and I saw them live at Lincoln Center. And I've not listened since really like I used to be. One of my favorite radio shows like back in the day before we had kids. We'd listen to it on a Saturday afternoon. Lincoln was part of our schedule and it just got. It was right around the time they had that like one season on showtime and it was just like it was just too much and I was just like. This is really good and I was done kite. There's a there's a so I'm a big fan of Gimblett media. Everything they do and Alex Bloomberg is like one of the main producers from that tie. Listen to the season that was about the founding of Gimblett. Now that was really good but he actually said at one point and it might have been when he interviewed IRA glass for his new show Without fail but he had he had said that that year they did the show and the problem was all of a sudden everybody realized that none of their tricks work on TV show but okay but like but they all went into like a spiral like they do like all of a sudden. They questioned everything he was like. Well if it's our again on TV why why is it? GonNa work on radio. We don't know how to make radio it turns out and like everybody flipped out So well obviously. They got some bad comments seriously. Most of them are really good. That one and it's still sitting at the top. Of course look at them. Nothing good can come looking at them. I don't ever believe we're GONNA get enough that it has any influence on the arbitrary positioning. That apple does in terms of promoting podcast. I I actually don't believe that because I have I have recently. Maybe in the past ten episodes like made like a real push to be like. Listen thank you so much for these and like really like honestly Heartfelt Lisa. Thank you and stuff And we've seen more come in since then and we have been consistently climbing up any podcast chart you sleep number nine in hobbies or we were number seven. Last week in hobbies I have a very myopic worldview but in my eyes you're more successful because I've never been on their show. Well we in our is our success because you are online I appreciate. That's why we're such good friends. Ben. I'm going ahead and thank you guys no problem. Thank you for coming on and please give everybody up. There are best and hope this is just a small blip and you guys figure out a way to be as effective as ever through it all and everybody healthy. That was fun that was. What are we going to come out? Speaking part of the one we did last weekend because that was a two hour episode. There's a part. Two two hour episodes off in two hours downloaded hold on episode. We're never GONNA get sponsored by festival or Milwaukee you as we were talking. I was looking up pictures of Of eyler You're with I. I can't pronounce the last name is H. J. O. R. T. H. Hyphen E. S. T. H. inhaler in the blue overalls from woodworking America. Okay yeah recognize him so because we were talking about that whole you know four function versus versus art and he basically explained chairs as physical man manifestation of the tension between functioning art Those are very interesting discussion but all right so although I didn't want to get too far down that road but we didn't. We just got more in the function. Well they just had one and they just they just discuss that on a couple of episodes ago on Shock shock shock top. Their their their their discussion was shallow and not thorough. I heard that I was not impressed with it's an intellectual discussion. People should embrace it that way not shy away from it. Because they're woodworkers maybe we should leave with that the only on continually running on funded. I'd can somehow I'm sorry. I'm going to ways that I've seen posted the whole thing. Which I I really I had only done half of it. I and I only know that because I saw it and I was like. Oh Wow that was a long episode. I'm not opposed to putting our episode but I thought I broke it up so that we would have two episodes out of the football This burden is not placed on the listener for any other podcast. The guests and topics are continually interesting but the foundations just not thankful it exists but hopeful it improves.

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