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"columbine" Discussed on Timesuck with Dan Cummins
"What do you think you're looking at right now? What you think you're hearing? Fake? Baby just chips in your brain. You're not where you think you are. You're not who you think you are. You don't know anything you think you know all implants. All Reality Matrix manipulation. That's the real world. Get the fuck Outta here. The Internet. So really, why did they do it? Because there were social outcasts bullied by the JOCKS I. Don't think so Peter Lang psychologist who has studied school shooting so extensively Dylan's fake ass crisis actor mom, sue klebold. Contacted him for inside about her fake. Son Dylan while she was writing. A fake memoir, said a thorough look at the shooter's lives. One not based on panic students reports refuses refutes the notion that they were bullied Langman added. They both had a lot of friends. They both engaged in. He's referring to right there that some people immediately And I am by seven like a couple said that these kids have been bullied. They said that there was a bullying culture, but you know there there's a bullying. Any school. Langman ads. They both had a lot of friends. They both engaged in school activities out of school activities that worked part-time jobs with some of their bodies at a pizza shop both Ronan Bowling League Harris played school. Soccer team is a freshman and sophomore continued to play soccer and volleyball after school, according to the sheriff's Office. report. Cleveland was in a fantasy baseball league. Like covered, had gone to prom with female friend few days before the massacre. The New York Times initially reported that Harrison appeared to target peers who had poked fun at the group. In the past. The Washington Post said students described him as a constant target of derision for at least four years. The Los Angeles Times said students considered the attack, lethal payback for old taunt and prejudices, but Langman and many others. Don't buy this shit for a second. Lang- says yes Harris and Klebold were sometimes teased, but they were nowhere near the most bullied in school, and were much more frequently. The bullies then the victims of boys, and he says Harris's and Cleveland's own writings speak to this language added the harrises personal writing show many reasons for his desire to kill. He wanted to see himself as the law. He killed for sadistic pleasure. He killed because he felt according to the writings that the human race is only worth killing, and also as revenge for being teased revenge, one of many reasons more often than not Harris expressed a desire to kill complete strangers. Finally Harrison Cleveland didn't kill any of the students they alleged had teased them despite hunting classmates for forty five minutes so clearly, it wasn't much of a fucking priority. The FBI also came to the same conclusion that these two were not excessively bullied three months after the massacre, the FBI convene to summit in Leesburg Virginia, that included world renowned mental health experts including. Michigan State University psychiatrist Dr Frank Augsburg as well as supervisory special agent Dwayne. Fusilier the FBI lead. Columbine investigator clinical psychologist fusilier an awkward concluded that the killers were less interested in revenge as though at those who tease them more. More interested in terrorizing the entire nation by attacking a symbol of American life their school, they bragged about dwarfing the carnage of the Oklahoma City bombing. They were gunning for devastating infamy on the historical scale of Attila the Hun. Their vision was to create a nightmare so devastating an apocalyptic that the entire world would shudder at their power. And why would they be motivated to do this? Mostly? Because Eric Harris was a fucking psychopath. Dylan klebold was his his depressed, suicidal hotheaded follower, his sidekick. Summit added Harris was not merely a troubled kid. He was truly a psychopath. His Journal entries not the rantings of an angry young man picked up. picked on by jocks until he couldn't take it anymore. They were the rantings of someone with the Messiah Mess. ionic masonic such tough for me, sorry. Messiah Grade Superiority Complex to punish the entire human race for it's appalling inferiority. He also loved to lie another psychopathic trait. Right I lie a lot. Eric wrote almost constantly into everybody duping delight, a key characteristic of the psychopathic profile Harris Mary's this deceitfulness with a total lack of remorse or empathy, another distinctive quality. The psychopath fusilliers said what fully convinced them that Harris was a psychopath was his response to being punished after being. Being caught breaking into that van, he made himself out to be the victim. In this situation he wrote in his journal isn't America's supposed to be the land of the free. How come a free? I cant deprive a stupid fucking dumb shit from his possessions, if he leaves them sitting in the Front fucking out in plain sight in the middle fuck nowhere on a Frie- fucking day night, natural selection fucker should be shot. Harris also verbally taunted victims shot no empathy, no emotional reaction killing them. Victims mean nothing to a psychopath. And the FBI summit of mental health experts thought clean bowled would have never been able to pull off columbine without Harris, and may have gone onto had a normal life. Had he not been pulled into Harris's world? So who's to blame for Columbine not violence and music or video, games or movies, not bullying, not prescription drug side effects, not the schools fault, not law enforcement fault. Sure this should have caught some red flags, but that doesn't make it. I would say quote unquote their fault. Easy access to assault weapons certainly didn't help put. The blame falls mainly on Eric. Harris and Dylan Klebold and bad mental health. Should the school with his parents in law enforcement of taken the you know disturbing disturbing online people to kill this to the violent class projects more seriously of course. But they couldn't have known where that would lead. A lot of kids claimed one kill. Lots of people like is disturbing. Shit. Make disturbing drawings don't. Try to blow a fucking school. Still. You know you shouldn't ignore shit like that. When my daughter Monroe is in preschool, some kid on her preschool bus forced his way into seat. hitter kept trying to grab a Crotch Munro. said she was the he was doing this other kids on the bus as well and then he got caught. Several Times was still riding the bus I went straight to her. Preschools Administers Office fucking. Hot Screw phone call fucking appointment I'm coming in there..
"columbine" Discussed on Timesuck with Dan Cummins
"Fishing been working golf course to save up money for a fishing, but when he died also an avid camper, and the last kiss die in the attack African cord to murdering fucking. Fucking, ask clowns head towards the administration desk. Eric does a Molotov cocktail toward the southwestern end in the library. luckily doesn't explode. Eric comes around to the east side of the counter. Dylan joins him from the West both converged now Evan near where Evan Todd had moved after being injured Dylan Makes Fun of Evan Discusses Killing. Him taunts him, but doesn't Evan was the last kid to be spoken to by the killers. Eric then suggested they go down to the schools common area before leaving Dylan fires. A shot into the library staff break room, hitting a television then slams chair down on top of the computer terminal that was on the library counter beneath which Patti Nielson is Heidi. Eleven thirty six. The gunman leaves Library Patty Nelson Still on the phone with nine one one whispers to the operator that she has to go, and she ducks into libraries. Break Room and hides in a fucking covered. At the same time, the shooter's leaving the library deputies, Searle reports a man on the roof, wearing a red, white and blue striped shirt. The man was thought to be possible. Third shooter at the time later identified as just an air conditioning repairman out on a service call to fix a leak above the girls locker room this poor son of a bitch. He was just on the roof when the first shots were fired, used a pair of vise grips to clamp shut the roofs access hatch the no could come up on the roof and then just tried to hide. We wouldn't die. He's not named any of the sources. Do shows up. Check on a C. ends up in war zone. Yes and he didn't sleep real well that night or for a lot of nights afterwards. At the same time, Jeffco Jefferson County Swat team commander, man wearing arrives at Pierce, and Lee would and declares that to be a swat staging area. Silence falls over the library for those left into the gunfire is now stopped for the longest time. No one moves. No one looks each other, and no one speaks finally those left alive creep out of the library to the north northern emergency exits that leads to the sidewalk where the massacre began. From the Library Dylan and Eric make their way back down the hall to the Science area. They look into the door. Windows of some of the classrooms even make eye contact with several students. Don't actually try to break into the rooms. Still have tons of AMMO. Witnesses said that Eric and Dylan didn't appear to be overly intent on gaining access to any room easily could shot the locks off doors, but they had other plants. They wanted to give their bombs another go. At Eleven, forty teachers sees the gunman in the science hallway in front of the chemical storage room, just east the science room three, or she's haydn several students. He Dylan Eric shoot into empty rooms after they tape a Molotov cocktail to the storage room. To the door next to the area, where coach, Sanders and several students are hiding. Explosive Causes Small Fire in the storage room when he goes off, a teacher puts out the fire short, while later wants to gunman. Leave the area code. Sanders dies nearly three hours later from blood loss. His last words were reported to be. Tell my family I love them. Since his death coach Dave Sanders has had a softball field in a scholarship named after him to honor his memory and post humorously received the Arthur. Ashe award courage left behind a wife four kids five grandkids. Levin Forty Four Dylan Eric head down to the cafeteria. Eric stops on the stairs news down to fire several shots with his car being. At a Duffel bag containing one of the twenty pound propane bombs still doesn't go off. Dillon walks over this bomb Iraq failed attempts to detonate it heaters with it tries to go off still nothing. A witness hide in the cafeteria. Here's one of the gunman say today. The world's GONNA come to an end. Today's the day we die. The boys drink some water bottles now. The cafeteria surveillance tape shows cleared light something possibly a CO, two cartridge pipe bomb throws it at the propane. Bomb fucking still doesn't go off. Small containers of flammable liquids or attached the bomb these are by whatever it was dylan through causing a fire, but no explosion. At eleven forty six shooters give up the go back upstairs. Then there isn't explosion a small one. Luckily, it wasn't a twenty pound propane bomb and the second complete bomb. Duffel bag beside a nearby table doesn't also explode. If these bombs had exploded. You know would have brought down the whole library. The cafeteria eleven forty nine am almost half an hour after they started shooting Dylan and Eric, head to the main office or an. Unarmed security guard secretarial hiding. A outside the Denver Swat team arrives on the east side of Columbine. Three minutes later Jefferson County. undersheriff John dunaway arrives at the command post police it setup authorizes the SWAT team to enter the school at Olympic to three. Eric and Dylan move from the offices to the art hall firing weapons into the ceiling. They go at Olympic sticks. They go back to the cafeteria. Looking defeated their poor bombs explode sprinkler system and put out the fire. They'd managed to start super bummed. Super Sad now. This time. The first reports of two gunmen at Columbine high are beginning to air on television at noon. The shooter's head into the kitchen very briefly head back upstairs. On uninterrupted broadcast on television now airing on television stations nationwide between twelve o two till five, the gunman back in the library, a fire, similar out of the broken west windows fire at more emergency workers fire at more law enforcement who are trying to get people to safety the Denver Swat team now stars an approach to the school under the cover of commandeered firetruck at roughly twelve zero.
"columbine" Discussed on Timesuck with Dan Cummins
"Making it bleat. The side of the blood on his face disturbed. Several students told reporters afterwards. It looked like he had been drinking blood. A born again Christian as of nineteen, Ninety, seven Cassie was active in church, youth programs and Bible study groups. She loved to go to rock love to go. Rock climbing and Breckenridge enter. Parents called her bunny rabbit. Student Pat Ireland moved out of his hiding place to administer first aid MCI Hall now Seen Him Dylan shoots him twice in the head. Once more in the foot powered miraculously survived. These blasts try to call. Try to crawl back undercover. Another hero mckeon Dan Stapleton play dead to avoid being shot more breath pass, qualley crouch down in in the open, just south of table on which cassie been hiding. There was no other place for hide and when Eric turned her way, she was completely defenseless gun aimed at her. Harris asprey. Do you want to die re answers? No, please don't shoot me. I have a family in a fiance. He laughs finally seems to notice. His nose is bleeding, says dylan hit me my nose? Then, according to brief us starts laughing again. Everyone's GonNa die. He says, and then he adds. We're just GONNA. Blow up at school anyway. Dylan then causes attention to two boys hiding under another table and Eric. Distracted forgets about bree and moves to join his fellow gunman. She must think about all this constantly. You'll be four days before she would ever sleep again. She was so traumatized by her encounter with Harris. Dylan was another set of tables. East Harris were three friends hiding matthew. Catcher football player Isaiah. Scholes ballplayer wrestler, who father later said he had a dispute with the shooters and Craig Scott, younger brother Victim Rachel Scott. The shooter's flanked the table to the East and West Sides Isaiah is heard by witnesses. To have told the shooter's that he was scared. He wanted to go home that he wanted to see his mom. Dylan then makes them racial comments towards Isaiah who was black, tries to pull him out from under the table when Dylan can't pull him out eric shoots and kills him. Is Played. Keyboards wanted to become either a comedian or record producer like his father Michael. WHO's the president of notorious records and Fort? Knox entertainment affirm Michael started to promote black musicians in the Denver area. He overcome heart defect. Play quarterback in the high school football team. He was jock. He's also very small jockey. Look at pictures of this kid real hard to imagine him intimidating anyone. Dylan then shoots and kills it Matt Catcher. Matt, a big Kid sixteen year old, two hundred and ten pound sophomore played on both the offensive and defensive lines for the football team straight a student loved lift weights. his friend and fellow student. Greg Barnes would say him. He was always in the library studying. He always put academics first he straight as but he would never brag about it. I kind of looked up to him because of it, he was never in a bad mood consistently happy. The football team. Columbine would dedicate their following season his memory. Craig Scott Miraculously uninjured left lane, his friends, spilling blood, and he pretends to be dead Eric, then throats co two cartridge type of homemade bomb shooters called crickets under the table where MCI Daniel and Pat. Our lands on Dan sty too afraid of being shot to move. Even though he can see, it's lit McKay hall grabs. The bomb throws it back out further south away from the gunman and the table it explodes midair doesn't hurt anyone nother, fucking hero. MCI would survive. Get married. Have kids become a nurse and dedicate his life to help healing others? After thrown is bomb. Harris heads over some bookcases between the center and West sections of the library. Where jumps on the shelves, shakes them. Start swearing. Fire fires a shot. Meanwhile, Dylan crosses the room to the east side of the library where he shoots out. The trophy case moves around the broken display shoots underneath the nearest library table to the south, leading Mark Kingdon with shotgun pellets in his head and shoulder mark would live Cleveland turn his shot, the students hiding under the. The table to his left, injuring both Lisa crudes and Lean Schnur with the same bullet, then fires eight times in rapid succession, followed by a nights shot, and that kills Lauren Townsend, who had been beside vowel Schnur? Lauren was a senior captain. The Volleyball Team Honor Society member. had a shot graduating as Valedictorian. She also volunteered local animal shelter planned to major in biology at Colorado, state university when she graduated from Columbine had a bright future. These two motherfuckers stole. Dylan then moves to join Eric, who went to another table or two girls were hiding. He bent down so we can look at them. Dismiss them as quote. Pathetic Belean who've been forced out of her hiding place by the shot she'd taken cried out in panic on my God. Help me several times. One of the shooter's WHO's reloading his weapon the time if she believed in God. She floundered in her answer. Say No at first then. Yes, trying to get the answer, right? He has her why. She said it was because her. It was what her family believed. And then she crawled back on the table and pretended to die. Popular belief has that cassie Brunel peekaboo victim was individual. Who has asked you believe in God, but the above recount is what above account is what witnesses in the library reported and what was entered into the Columbine? report. Eric Harris moves now to another table, or he shoots and injures Nicole Nolan and John Tomlin. John tried to crawl out from under the table at that point. Dylan klebold shoots and kills him. John was a sophomore devout Christian who didn't know. Either shooter was in the library, because that's where he usually spent his lunch hour study. Didn't walked around the table back to the table. Lauren had killed Kelly. Fleming was hiding behind it. As was the case are as was brief as quality. As was the case gives me with brief was quality. There wasn't room under the table for Kelly Eric shoots in the back. She dies instantly. Shoots under the table wants more hits Lauren. WHO was already dead? And lease again also wounds Janna Park, who was hiding under the table as well? Kelly was shy sophomore also didn't know. The shooters love to write poetry songs short stories, getting her learner's permit and was excited to get her driver's license soon. Lead thirty four am. The shootings have gone on now for almost fifteen minutes. Dylan and Eric moved to the center the library. Where were they reload their weapons at a table midway across the room? Must have moving so slow for everyone. During all, this Eric didn't catch a sign of a student hiding under a nearby table, recognized him tells them to identify himself with Dylan aiming a gun at his head, John Savage identifies himself an acquaintance of dillon. He asked Dylan what he was doing to which he replies casually. Just killing people. John Asked if they were going to kill him to. And Dylan told him to get out of the library John left immediately escaping through the library's main entrance Wa faulk. Beside their friend, Brooks Brown was told to leave school by Harris. John Savage was the only person they spared like this. Eleven thirty five, only other person eleven thirty five Eric, turned and fired on the table directly north where they'd been shooting Daniel Mauser in the face at close range, killing him Dan was a sophomore who excelled in math and science. He was named Columbine High School best biology student, and he got straight A.'s on his last report card. Love watching the simpsons love. The X.. Files volunteered at a local Swedish hospital. So many good kids not that it would matter if they weren't kids. You know, but it's. Just want to point this dealer and Eric. Then moved south to another table or Jennifer Doyle Steven Austin eubanks Corey. Puzder were hiding. Both gunmen opened fire on the kids hiding their corey's killed corey was junior, technically jock love, wrestling and golf loved fishing been working golf course to save up money for a fishing,.
"columbine" Discussed on Timesuck with Dan Cummins
"The pipebombs in one of the aerosol canisters. Canisters detonated, but the explosion and subsequent grass fire enough to divert the attention of the Jefferson County sheriff's Office and little and fire department a minute later. Levin Twenty am back at the School Eric and Dylan get tired of waiting for the cafeteria bombs to go off at setting up car bombs, and their vehicles that each take a Duffel bag backpack, collectively containing two sawed off shotguns, a nine millimeter, semiautomatic rifle, a nine millimeter, Tek, nine semi-automatic pistol, and several hundred rounds of ammunition. And Fuck loaded pipebombs. Proceed up the hill towards the top of the West entrance steps the highest point on the school grounds from the that position they were near the north side of the library in the cafeteria with the capture inches blow them. The West entrance was to their left the athletic fields to the right. A witness heard one of the gunmen then shout, go go, and both Harris in Cleveland, pull out their shotguns and opened fire Brooks Brown was quoted as saying later I went to go have my cigarette and heard gun so I took office started running. I went to random house's called. The cops told him I knew who it was. It was Eric it had to been. Brooks was seen by witnesses around this time heading south on Pierce, street in the direction of his home, students Richard Castaldi and Rachel Scott were sitting on the grassy knoll between the gunman in the West entrance when the shooting started. was hit with eight bullets, but survived though he suffered critical injuries to his spine that would cripple him for Life Rachel had four times by bullets from Eric's nine millimeter highpoint taking a fatal bullet to the head. Interestingly, the name Rachel is mentioned on Eric in Dylan's basement tape in which they make fun girls always talking about, Jesus. Rachel good kid had plans to visit Botswana is a member of a Christian outreach program to build homes, the upcoming summer and another seventeen year old, instead the first person to die in the Columbine massacre. Eric Harris takes off his coat after shooting her drops it near the stairs reloaded his weapon lands. Kirkland Danny Rohrbach Sean graves just left the cafeteria to decide entrance to the bottom of the stairs with plans to go to the smokers pay to park cross the street or Clement Parks. Use Me Lance Oh Harrison Cleveland, standing at the top of the outdoor stairway, but thought they were just playing to senior prank and his two friends turnaround head up the stairs land. Say Letter, said later he. He didn't remember hearing. Gunshots was hit in the leg and chest Danny also shot in the chest, fell back into Sean, lands turn to run was shot in the leg, causing him to fall to the Ground Sean ran past, taking several shots to the back and abdomen before a gunshot wound to the leg down him just outside the door to the cafeteria, five students who have been sitting to the west of the stairs now also shot at as they run for cover fifteen year old. Old Michael Johnson hit, but able to reach the outdoor athletic storage shed where he hides with three uninjured students. WHO'd already made it their? Mark Taylor suffers. A critical hit falls to the ground, crippled unable to flee with the others he plays Dead Junior Anne. Marie whole hot halter had been eating lunch with friends in the grassy knoll. When the shooter opened fire, she got up tried to run for shelter of the cafeteria shot by Harris. She also felt the ground. She's now paralyzed. Paralyzed from the waist down, the gunman attempted to shoot some more people who were near the soccer field. Several yards away, luckily didn't hit anyone. They then lit, and through some pipebombs onto the school roof toward the Grassy Hill to the right and down into the parking lot. Witnesses reported hearing. One of them say this is what we always wanted to do. This is awesome. How surreal they're fucking loving. This loving killing kids some of whom they were partying with just a few days before. Teacher Peggy Dodd who is in the library. At the time, said she looked out, the window could see Dylan standing on the hill, just shooting. He had been a student in her computer class the previous year, and she remembered him as being a troublemaker who hacked into computers and wore Nazi boots in an overcoat. Dodd said the Cleveland was holding a weapon with both hands, and using a sweeping motion was pointed toward the south parking lot. While the gunman were fleet are firing on the fleeing student Sean Graves Miniature call to the doorway in the cafeteria, but we can from blood loss. He couldn't make it all the way inside your blood on his face and lay their plane dead. Didn't headed down the stairs where he shot Daniel Raw. at close range killing him. Dan had just turned fifteen. He was a good kid who helped his father Stereo business every day at school, and who, during the summer, worked on his GRANDPA's farm harvesting wheat. He used.
"columbine" Discussed on Timesuck with Dan Cummins
"Are sounds of breaking glass and power saws coming from the Harrison Garage. Dylan klebold beamed Dylan klebold. BMW parked in the driveway. All three of these days police are certain. The boys were making these shrapnel using the construction. They're pipebombs this time. How did Eric's parents not know what was going on here? they did this wall. His parents were at work. Saturday April seventeenth boys go to the Columbine Prom. How fucked up this? They're going to prom with a bunch of kids. They're planning to kill the following week. Twelve kids including in Cleveland and Nate Deichmann drive together. Limousine Dylan goes with Robin Anderson. The girl who bought the guns earlier Super Cute Kit turn into a beautiful young woman she told a friend shortly before the Prom I convinced. My friend Dylan, who hate stances, jocks, and has never had a date little owner girlfriend to go with me I mean a really cute or just really persuasive. Clearly, she likes dillon. He was not an outcast. Lots of friends, good family, a beautiful girl who liked him and it wasn't enough. Stop Him from wanting to leave the world in a pool of blood. Nila. `scuse me. Date Jesus Christ later said. Dylan's attitude that night was normal like any guy going into his senior problems, attitude might be other friends described. Dylan's seeming very upbeat was talking about how he wanted to stay in touch with folks leaving for college, Nate said Dylan seemed excited about Arizona Eric Harris did not have a prom date. He has a few girls. L. Said No, but he did make plans with Susan dewitt law early great clips or she worked as a receptionist that a pretty girl talk to. Her the night before it blackjack pizza. She went to his house where they watched the movie event horizon. Great Movie clearly, he wasn't socially struggling or all that much. You know as well. She was pretty girl. wanted to hang out with him alone on the couch and watch a movie. She would later deny romantic interest in him, but she would also write a poem about him. That makes it clear to me that she did like him. Air complained that night to her about a jerk, but he didn't talk about wanting to kill. Anybody didn't even talk about hate anybody. Eric invited her to go to the after Prom party with him. After the movie climbed to went home, so he went alone two days later the day before the murders. Th Eric and Dylan skip creative, writing class or Second Class Day with friends Brooks Brown and Becca hines. A Brooklyn Eric could pass things up by this point. The whole rocked the windshield setting off firecrackers. Outside the families windows water, the bridge doesn't matter. Since the you know I'm planning to fucking blow Yup. Brooks and Becca the went onto McDonald's where Dylan Eric met up with him. After aside trip Eric's house and again how fucked up and you're grabbing some Mickey? D's Grandma mcnuggets some flurries. With the kids. You know very likely we're going GONNA. Kill the following day. Dylan wrote about eight pages in his book that night, the first of which read about twenty six and a half hours from now the judgment will begin difficult, but not impossible, necessary nerve, wracking and fun. What fun is life without a little death? It's interesting when I'm in my human form. Knowing I'm going to die. Everything has a touch of triviality to. It said it clearly thought they were going to go on to some. Other dimension who the fuck knows. One of his last journal entries read walk in set bombs at eleven, O nine for eleven seventeen leave set car bombs drive to Clementi Park gear up. Get back by eleven. Fifteen Park cars set car-bomb eleven eighteen. Get Out, go to outside. Wait when first bombs go off attack, and then he ends with have fun. What the Fuck Eric also asa mark means a twenty two year old Pizza Co worker an idiot to buy some more AMMO for him. Marked by one hundred rounds from local Kmart gives it to eric later that night because mark is pathetic. Desperately trying to impress high school kids who works with pizza place. Mark Fan. Neither was local law enforcement later be arrested for his involvement all this and go to prison for basically being an idiot being an idiot the morning of April twentieth about ten thirty am clean. Harris film one last video detailing exactly what they plan to do and how they felt about. Apologies are offered to their parents. They admitted they knew a lot of innocent. People are going to be hurt and they weren't going to let. Let that stop them. Eric Court Shakespeare on one tape as he swigs. Jack Daniels saying. Good Wombs hath borne bad sons. He and Dylan demonstrated how they could fit. There saw weapons in their coats. Talk about all the people hated and what they'd like to do to them, and they both seemed Giddy as fuck to do what they were about to do. At one point looked into the camera and says hey, mom gotta go. About a half an hour before a little judgment day I just wanted to apologize to you. Guys for any craft. Instigate just now. I'm going to a better place. I didn't like life too much and I know be happy wherever the fuck I go gone goodbye. motherfuckers was so crazy by this point, does he does he think his mom is going to watch this good good fees? So glad you're in a better place kind of annoyed. He had to kill a bunch of kids who get there, but you know happy for you buddy. Eric and Dylan skip their first three classes and pull up. The Columbine High School Eleven. Eight eleven ten am on the twentieth. Park their cars flank in the exits and entrances the cafeteria. Their cars had good views of the front student entrance as well as the entrance to the Cafeteria Brooks Brown had just stopped outside for a cigarette when he saw eric pull up his in his in his car. He confronted Eric for missing his third period tests and Harris, laughed and told him. Doesn't matter anymore, then Eric told him brooks. I like you now. Get Out of here. Go home. And then he tuned Brooks out as Brooks began to speak and unloaded the duffle bags. He had the trunk of his car. Brooks got creeped out. Headed across the parking lot towards Pierce street feeling uneasy, not sure what the hell was going on how he must reflect on that moment now. At eleven fourteen am the two gunmen dressed in black leather dusters, trench coats, wearing wraparound sunglasses carry two duffle bags into the school cafeteria. Each containing a twenty pound propane bomb attached timers set to go off and just three minutes at eleven seventeen am during a lunch when the cafeteria would be the most crowded according according to Eric's notes, Eric and Dylan then quickly return to their cars to wait for the explosions based on. On information found later in the home videos journal, the to intended to blow the school up then gunned down any survivors. They were trying to escape. When the bombs went off, there were nearly were nearly five hundred people inside to capture at the time. The propane bombs were supposed to go off. Had the bombs actually detonated as planned? Luckily, the timers weren't wired correctly. You know they would have liked the all been killed. The Library Library would probably collapsed into the lunchroom due to structural damage just two minutes later. Some other bombs do go off distraction bombs. The Jefferson County Dispatch Center received nine one one call from a person who reported hearing an explosion in field on the east side, of Wadsworth, boulevard, about three miles southwest to columbine high, the two backpacks, two backpacks with pipebombs, Aerosol, canisters and small propane tanks. They've been placed in an open grassy space, only the pipebombs in one of the aerosol canisters. Canisters detonated, but the explosion and subsequent grass fire enough to divert the attention of the Jefferson County sheriff's Office and little and fire department a minute later. Levin Twenty am back at the School Eric and Dylan get tired of waiting for the cafeteria bombs to go off at setting up car bombs, and their vehicles that each take a Duffel bag backpack, collectively.
"columbine" Discussed on Timesuck with Dan Cummins
"Murder preparations escalated in December of nineteen, ninety eight when Dylan's eighteen year old friend Robin Anderson Purchase, two shotguns and a rifle at a gun show for Eric and Dylan. She acted as a third party buyer for them since they weren't eighteen. At the time, she bought the boys a high point. Carbon nine millimeter rifle, a pump action shotgun in a double barreled shotgun, had no idea what her two friends intended to use these weapons for once the guns Repurchase Eric and Dylan with a soft barrels of the shotgun for easy conceal ability Robin would later. Later testify about this purchased a House Judiciary Committee meeting hearing in January of two thousand. Sane Eric Harris and Dylan, klebold had gone to the tanner gun show on Saturday and they took me back with them on Sunday I remember this being in November or December of nineteen, ninety eight, when Eric and Dylan had gone the previous day dealer told them that they needed to bring someone back. Who is eighteen? They were both seventeen at the time. This was a private dealer, not a licensed dealer. Well, we're walking around Eric and Dylan kept asking sellers if If, they were private or licensed. They wanted to buy their guns from someone who is private and not licensed, because there would be no paperwork and no background check at one point Eric was interested in a gun from a licensed dealer dealer asked me if I would fill out some paperwork, and I, said No. I don't feel comfortable with that I don't want to put my name on something that. I wasn't going to have control of. They bought guns from three sellers. They were all private. They paid cash. There was no receipt I was not asked. Asked any questions at all. There was no background check. All I had to do was show my driver's license to prove that I was eighteen. Dylan gotTa Shotgun era got a shotgun in the black rifle he clips for he was able to buy clips. amunition without me having to show any ID, the sellers didn't write down any information I would not have bought a gun for Eric and Dylan, if I had to give any personal information, submit to any kind of check at all. I think clearly the sellers that the guns were four Eric and Dylan. The one's asking all the questions and handling the guns I had no idea what they were eventually going to do with the guns. When I look back at it, I think I was kind of naive. I wish the law. Requiring background checks had been affected time I don't know if Eric and Dylan would have been able to get guns from another source, but I would have not helped him. It was too easy. I had been more difficult I wouldn't have helped. Helped him by the guns. If I'd faced a background check, this shit is pretty fucking crazy. Pain Cash for God's now having to fill out any paperwork. It makes it impossible for law enforcement to track a gun using a crime. You know unless you get caught in some other way as far as I can tell doing quite a bit of digging this this loopholes still exists in most states gun owner gun owner. Excuse me and I think it's ridiculous. you know great way for people with nothing good plan to get some guns I had fantasies about buying guns this way you know. Not tied to the purchase of the gun, anyway, you know guns I fantasize about using to fucking kill people who've or something am I am I crazy brain, and because I had these fantasies. It's not a good idea for me to buy guns in this way. Hey. By early nineteen hundred. Nineteen Eric and Dylan were both employed a blackjack pizza here. They met some other people who would unknowingly help push their dark mission along Philip Duran. One of Eric in Dylan's CO workers. Blackjack, Pizza introduced to twenty two year old idiot. Mark means a computer tech like guns market purchase a tech nine at a gun show in August for five hundred bucks in degree to sell it to Dylan and Eric for the same price, actually paid in three hundred promise even the rest of the money later. Videos would later service Dylan Eric engaging in extensive target practice with all their new weapons fucking Mark What Can both the pro gun. Anti Gun crab maybe agreed.
"columbine" Discussed on Timesuck with Dan Cummins
"A sunny spring Tuesday April twentieth, nine, hundred, ninety nine Columbine High School in the suburbs of the city, called Littleton in Jefferson County Colorado in offshoot of the Denver Metropolitan area became the scene of a massacre to columbine seniors angry at the world spent months planning to execute their fellow students and turn a quite high school. Previously, one of the safest places on earth into a one sided war zone complete with the literal destruction of the school down to its foundation. Foundation as devastating the Columbine massacre was it pales in comparison with the carnage to seniors. Eric Harris and Dylan Klebold just weeks away from graduating wants to unleash upon the world. They spent a total of about an hour and the school hunting people, murdering twelve students, a teacher and wounding over twenty others, and there to person war against humanity that would last around forty five minutes in the aftermath. Everyone wanted something or someone to blame for it all and everything that young. Young Americans did in nineteen, ninety nine was suddenly under the microscope was violence, music, or video, games or movies to blame was bullying prescription drug side effects was an easy to access. Assault weapons was at the school's fault. The killers parents fault law enforcement's fault or was it mostly. Dylan Eric's false part of what was so shocking with Columbine was where it happened prior to the massacre Littleton Colorado in the suburban area around. It felt like just about the safest place you. You could live the perfect place to raise a family now worry about your kids. Local crime rate almost non-existent little still well below the Colorado violent crime averages forty three reported incidents per one hundred thousand people compared to three hundred seventy five incidents for one hundred thousand people, the state of Colorado and three hundred ninety four instance per hundred thousand for the United States based on two thousand seventeen FBI crime stats. How could this community be the scene of such an atrocity? Be Part of what scared. America's so much about this particular shooting, it felt like it's a shooting happening columbine. It can happen anywhere else in the US. It's another dark one today, also a fascinating one good chance to clear up some myths. The national media kicked off huge blame game in the immediate aftermath of this tragedy, and they got it wrong. We're deep diving the Columbine massacre today and we're going to try to get the narrative right right here on time suck. This is Michael McDonald and you're listening to Time Sutton. Harry Monday made sacks. Hail Nimrod prelude. Safina good boy sweep angles and glory be to triple long the suck. made it to last week's trip. Listen back some of it. And Luckily I sat away more coherent than I felt shrooms.
Houston state rep on the role of cops in schools
"As part of a larger debate on police reform there is a growing spotlight on the officers that patrol public schools activists say they shouldn't be allowed to arrest students Houston state Rep Jeanne Lewis an attorney who represents kids in the juvenile justice system says schools need to do their jobs instead of expecting police to address all whole list of emotional issues it was a mark always to break up fights and do other nonsense like that but you don't need to talk to do they shouldn't be doing those things in the first place is gonna send the increase of cops on campus since the Columbine school shooting activists say they serve a small role in need to be replaced with more counselors who can help troubled kids instead of arresting
Floyd family attorney says charge against officer should be upgraded to first-degree murder
"Well and I've been talking for days now about the the tragedy of the death of George Floyd at the knee of a police officer who held him down for eight minutes shot by the neck and he eventually lost his life and that man has now been charged with third degree murder second degree voluntary met involuntary manslaughter people are looking for more even possibly first degree murder I was listening to the the Florida attorney today talking on national television and discussing a number of things concerning the case and how they believe there may be some well premeditated aspects of this case but the reason I'm bringing it up on the sports show we'll get to that in a moment I have Greg dial is who is on the disk gets to the pitch for news line who happens to be an attorney at law and I I think it's very important that we don't lose sight of the story in Pittsburgh last night tragically we felt some of that violence that continues to spread from coast to coast am tomorrow night in my program I'll be talking in pretty much opening the phone lines between eight and ten and giving you a chance to voice your opinion and we all will on KDKA radio over the next couple of days but the thing that I really took away without watching Margaret o'brien talked to the mayor of Atlanta of course as I mentioned talk to the attorney for the Floyd family talking to other people like Melvin Carter the mayor of J. Paul Minneapolis if this is a story that is polarize our nation especially in the midst of this pandemic but when you think of calling Capranica those are people of color in sports and what they have done to stand up for the black race and minorities many NBA players were actually involved in these protests some of them returned to Atlanta where they grew up to to speak their mind and be a part of a peaceful protest that obviously turn very the ugly with a lot of violence there's been discussion of anarchist a white supremacist if you will who have rolled into various towns to ignite these fires literally and these horrible Ryan said for the most part many people but we're going to be peaceful protest so Greg the reason I want to talk to you as far as athletes this is nothing new I've seen Jim Brown and many others Kareem Abdul Jabbar Mohammed Ali obviously spent most of his life fighting for civil rights this is just such a very bad time in our country's history my question to you is when you think about what happened to Mr Floyd and there are many great law enforcement officers out there but one thing is for sure when you're dealing with many athletes many of them of the black race this is a concern into something has been a part of the sports world is a part of all of our lives and I think that we owe at least a segment or two because of your legal background and your sports background to talk about it and again no one ever thought that this would be the story that would kind of replace this pandemic even in the midst of the pandemic and it's a shame that it's come down to this but there's no way that you go anywhere right now in this region or any television station running radio station or a newspaper you pick up that this is not the story good morning good morning robin unfortunately it's really not a good morning I I wish there were different things to talk about generally enough for you guys you know I usually come in with some happy new year for you in the mornings but it it just feels like there's something gone wrong that the world is off its axis or something but but there's just seems to be more more bad news each and every day but we'll get through this we we are hearty people and we'll figure it out and and we actually you man elements need to be able to to figure out ways to pass these things out but it's very difficult and it's hard for for me a white man to to be able to express a what's the the people of all colors are experiencing in our country right now because I I'm not listed but but I do have your clients and friends said no we can't have a conversation about and try to figure out ways whereas the people that we can go forward and and you know put all these differences a lady somehow some way but but boy it's really just off for a sound doesn't seem like there's any kind of logical or reasonable way to proceed because the patch things up you know as I was watching the face the nation program I must tell you I really was torn whether or not I should bring it up again after spending the majority of the last couple of days talking about it and will over the next couple of days despite us having a June second primary it will be the topic of conversation during the open talk portion of my programs right through Wednesday night in some of the folks that I have scheduled for political purposes are perfect because a lot of folks are tying the political aspect as far as from local government to state government a national government it's all leading up to this June second primary so the timing is there but I just wish it was something else that I was discussing but I said to myself you know listen I've always been one to try to take the high road and have a peaceful outlook and not really try to stir the pot but this is something there's really struck me personally because of watching that video and obviously having many people in law enforcement of color and yes of course many of them are dear friends I understand that they too are frustrated because of what happened in Minnesota with this police officer all I can say is this growing up even in the turbulent civil rights era of the sixties the one thing that always brought people together especially on the playground in the neighborhood was sports and then I saw some of my sports heroes like Muhammad Ali my all time favorite also Jim Brown in there another scream of dole Jabbar who always stood up and spoke out but I must tell you it's just so sad to see something that is happening of this nature in twenty twenty that I experienced during the height of the civil rights watching the nightly news with Walter Cronkite seeing the black and white film footage of the fire hoses turned on young black teenagers attack dogs police dogs if you will that were put into that mode because that was the command they were given it's just hard to believe that we have evolved so many decades later we're sports's evolve where in the world now without sports we lost a hundred thousand people in this country and counting when it comes to the pandemic and this is on the front page and no matter how you look at it is just flat out sad to think we have not come that very far since Martin Luther king walked this earth and lost his life because of his fight for civil rights it almost makes you feel like robbery we haven't come anywhere you know we we're we're right back to where we started in the sixties in it is so sad to to have to be in a situation where where in hello to our address like that the only way they can can express those the end it is these were mostly protests that were peaceful in and well deserved and then they turn crazy because of outside sources apparently and no one knows for sure but it seems that that especially in Pittsburgh this was not something that was driven by the peaceful protests that started out in that that's bigger shame of it all in and I'm hoping that there is some way to find these people that came in there that that tried to incite the violence to to get to a point where we can catch them and get them off the street there's no place in our world you know Greg and I don't know if it's because when we were raised in one of the things that I've been stressing to my audience and I have been through it all I've been through rose Jonny Gammage obviously going back to the nineties up with Rodney king I have been on the radio talking about all of these things and how tragic they are and hoping that they would stop just like the school shootings that I go back to nineteen ninety nine covering the Columbine case the thing that I have come to believe it is all about what you can do teaching your children about how this is not how you act do not treat people of a different color race nationality religious belief other than how you want to be treated that's the way you and I were both raised in I'm not looking for us to get a gold star or a Pat on the back but you have to know is I know the way we grew up weather was on the basketball court or the classroom or just spending it time at home eating something that our parents prepare force and you looked across the table many times that person was black and I never looked at it any other way than just that a friend of mine enjoying a moment whether it be in school in that classroom or on that basketball court or on that of field of athletics and I think we become so isolated not just because of this pandemic but the world that we live in today that people have lost sight as far as what they need to do and how they should be raising their children and more importantly something that I've always thought was healthy a healthy mix of people from all walks of life we we need to get back to that if we want to survive this and move forward and be a healthier nation not so much for you and I but for your daughters and my children and generations to come yeah I can't agree with you more there has to be a way to figure this out there investors are seemingly every time an issue or an engine that comes up like this we often dialogue began everybody just kind of goes back to their quarters in as if it were a boxing ring what okay yeah we had these conversations but nothing gets accomplished you're nothing gets fixed and then you have another incident where were some law enforcement in the Milan in an attack on law enforcement you know they they're there for the better part of on everyone and probably more than ninety nine point nine percent all law enforcement officers in doing the right thing but the house in in increments and issue like this that seemingly are happening in the weekly Robinson it is these issues come up or that they go along if someone acts in a way
Redux: Should I Stay Or Go?
"We're going to be talking about letters that essentially ask that question. Should I stay or should I go and as we as we go through these questions today? We'll there'll be a sort of ever escalating build up to the harder questions. Staying are going as we know. Sometimes it's a fairly light decision other times. It's incredibly complicated. Well you're in the middle of this male storm because you and your big mouth you're kind of like Grand Central Station of ambivalence about whether people should you know stay with the status quo or get out of usually a destructive relationship because of that column. You wrote. That's right and there's a quote from that column was titled. This calm was called the truth. That lives there. I I also touched on this issue with my com tiny beautiful things quote from tiny beautiful. Things is that people have bandied about the Internet and wanting to leave is enough and I think that you know that. Certainly the heart of this column so I received essentially a chorus of letters from people who are in one situation and that is. I love my partner. I respect my partner but I just have this feeling that that there's something else out there for me and that I want to go explore other things now. Some of these letter writers had been dating the person for a few months. Some of these letter writers were married for years. And what I you know my answer was really I- I answered via story about my own struggles. When I was married to my first husband. I was in that exact situation. I loved him. What was so painful about my divorce is I had to break my own heart again. You have to be brave enough to break. Your is something I wrote and something. I learned the hard way because I kept waiting for there to be a sort of outside reason. Leave my husband. Oh he was abusive or he was. He cheated on me or he did this or that or the other thing and honestly. I think that that's ultimately why I t's on my first husband which I really regret because it very much my values but I finally you know I. I was so young that I didn't have the strength. Or the internal sense of of knowing that like it was enough for me to say I need to end this relationship simply because I feel like there's something missing in my life and I need to go seek it and I need to seek it on my own outside of the confines of a committed relationship and so to do that was revolutionary for me life. Changing a great decision and an incredibly painful one so in this column the Truth. That lives there. What I was speaking to is not the idea that the minute you have any doubts or struggles in a relationship. You should leave now sometimes. It's been misinterpreted in that way. And I think that's really unfortunate. I am all for grappling with your feelings and stain in those difficult moments and relationships and seeing what's going to happen on the other side of your fears your doubts so I don't advise people and I'm just going to say it for the record. I said not columbine got overlooked of course is that it is important to know that in every relationship. We're going to have doubts in every relationship. We're going to have struggles but in my experience there was also this burning core of truth and what I said to people is when you have that feeling. The only question left is are you going to do it later or are you going to do it now and almost always when you have that kind of truth. That is driving your decision. The truth lives there. You know the sooner that you can see to it the better off you're going to be and also the better off the people in your life. I wasn't doing my husband my ex-husband any favors by staying married to him. Because when I was in so much turmoil in doubt and the minute I cut myself free of that. We were both liberated essentially from the struggle and allowed to go off and have the lives that we've come to have and so many of the letters that we get have to do with that fundamental feeling. There's some forced. It's telling me I've got to change my life. I've gotta get out of a relationship a workplace whatever it is and yet and we know that even though the constant condition of life is change people are terrified and justifiably and they sort of crave as children do routine and stability. And that's our HOMEO- static mechanisms operates this war inside of all of us and so that's what we're going to get into going to battle battlegear on. Let's do it the first letter all right dear. I've been pulled into an emotional affair with an older married friend. He and I became close over the last two years. What I initially saw. His friendship has grown into intimacy. He has a troubled marriage. That's been on rocky ground for a long time and it has survived his infidelity. My friend and his wife have children and are trying to make their marriage work while. My intentions are not sexual. I care very deeply for my friend and I still crave the closeness and emotional intimacy of our relationship. Is there a way to salvage this friendship in a way? That's healthy and respectful or do I need to politely. Bow Out before I create more trouble in an already. Turbulent life signed totally in over my head What he thinks. It's a very complicated letter so totally in over my head. The first thing. That is really just confusing. It's unclear to me why you are referring to this relationship as an emotional affair rather than a friendship if your intentions are not sexual but there is deep intimacy there. Why wouldn't it be a friendship? Why do you categorize it as a licit and my suspicion is because as parole reminded us in our infidelity episode? There isn't this sexual alchemy necessarily but there's something that feel secret and covert and that occupies a space a kind of emotional intimate space. That really is appropriate for a partner and I say this all the time in the context of relationships. You know you know a friendship is over when you're talking more about somebody than to them and you know That a marriage is really in trouble when your partner isn't the person with whom you have the deepest most intimate conversations. It feels to me like what you're saying is that you are in a relationship with this guy that occupies the space and the emotional energy and attention that should be going towards this guy healing his relationship with his wife which is what he says he wants to do. I think if we apply Cheryl's complex rule of thumb. This letter is an expression unawareness that you are occupying a space right now that you feel really as appropriately belongs to this wife and husband until they can figure out whether the marriage is going to sustain itself and be re healed and then your friendship doesn't have to be something that's an emotional affair. It's what we need in life outside of our central partnership if we find a partner is good friends. There's suspicion that you're casting on yourself and I would think less about his life. Think about your life. I think this letter comes out of an expression that you know that you're in a relationship that's unhealthy for you at the moment. My Hunch. Is that your hunches. You need to step back from this friendship until he figures out whether his marriage is going to be he'll lable or not. Yeah I think that you know the answer totally in over my head. You don't sign a letter totally in your head. You're you're in a relationship that's not right. That doesn't feel right to you. And so you need to bow out. And we all crave closeness emotional intimacy and you can find that in a relationship that feels. That feels good. And so you need to let this one.
Filling the gaps
"I'm Steven Seagraves. Joined by Seth Miller and Fayza Mood Gentlemen. How are you doing? Well Yeah are you. I'm feeling a little better. Not One hundred percent. But I'm getting there. Just good this. This episode is being recorded solely with your right year. Yes yes so. I have no since of Stereo should we? Should we record him on? Then that's what it feels like the spoiler alert. They're all mono gotta time production and that's where they always end. We should edit this so stevens voice only comes. I left to come out of the right now. The problem is I can't do that. You can do that man. Let's let's think that'd be mean to our listeners. Think it'd be really peel off for sure A. Let's just start off by talking about what we're doing to fill our time. I'm working from home Seth I'm guessing you are as well and I got a call at work call today and so I was like. Oh so you know how you adjusting us in that. You're going to work. I always work from home did I. And I actually don't even go out on a normal day anyways this really has to say it hasn't affected me because it definitely has but on a day-to-day basis. My experience is very very similar. To what normally as I don't go to the gym I was GonNa say how can affect you in your navy reporter. Well right I mean mentally. I'm a disaster but physically. I'm sitting in the same place. I would have been anyways this weekend though normally would be on my way to Hamburg Aircraft Interiors Expo that has postponed slash canceled. I think it will actually cancelled but they admitted that That was supposedly Friday. Actually somewhat pleasantly surprised. I was able to D M American Airlines and British Airways cancelled. The flight was booked on the American and American process. The refund. They. I want me to go. Do it myself And the American process for getting a refund on their website is crap but when I went click the button is. We're sorry you can't cancel this ticket online. Ibm's him back and last night. That took care of it for me and this morning got back in touch with me told me is getting one hundred thirty two euros refunded calls. That make you feel Stephen. That's the opposite experience of united. Yes I mean at this point. I think I'm just going to file a charge. Back in right at the OT complaint wasn't what our friends at the exact same issue five tickets United Future Refunds Fry Open disputes and FAU DOT complaint if they even had chesser columbine. But if I have issues. I do the exact same thing. So here's a question for you guys. Because I believe it or not. In a similar scenario scenario my ticket home from Hamburg was an SAS operated reward issued by united and again. That's flights aren't operating. So they're gonNA is. This is just an award ticket. At worst I pay seventy five dollar redeposit. Fina get my points back. But they've canceled the flights in theory in any other scenario the the points would just get refunded for free. I can obviously issue a charge back for the taxes which were not insignificantly than Europe. But do you think stand a chance of getting my points for free or just assume? I'M GONNA pay the five dollars and have not combined until dollars you'll be able to do without the Without the thing is they're dragging their feet on refund simply because they don't want they want to hold onto the cash right so their latest policy is they will. Your ticket will stay OPEN FOR YEAR. And then they will process a refund for you right. Which assuming they're in business assuming they're in business. I mean I would hope that. If the government doesn't give these airlines a lifeline that part of those stipulations they can play stupid games. This is just ridiculous. I had a a friend asking me. His parents were supposed to go. This pet last Wednesday supposed to be on the united nonstop to Cape Town and then from there to Singapore on Swiss and then home if you or whatever and then back to the states and was asking me you know how to get out of it. Essentially we've been going back and forth like a month trying to help him out on that and Donna Mile. Just wait. Just wait. Just wait as the rules as more and more cancels things will get better for you and he eventually got to the point where they took a voucher because I think the united out athletes still operated even though this we're canceled at that point but he said his his parents. His parents were concerned that the vouchers would be nullified in a bankruptcy. I would be too I. It's a fairly assumption is it? I've thinking back of other airline bankruptcy. I don't remember that being something that they went after as far as assets they haven't but there's nothing asserted that they won't. I mean this might be more dire than anything else. They've had to go through in the past we. We are certainly unprecedented in unprecedented Era The industry. But I feel like I feel like I get I get. Why United's trying to do it. I think that they're doing it in the wrong way. Like you know. If American like American said to us they cancelled your flight. They're going to refund the. There's no reason. United should be like. Oh well we're GONNA keep your money and you're gonNA get a certificate for that case like Eve. In my case I would say my cases the like the extreme in maybe so mine is they delayed thirty two hours and basically making me leave a day early to to make connections. Chicago incidents Thirty two hours. And I like that may be a scenario where it's inconvenient for me. I could see cancelling it and keeping a credit. I don't like it. I think it's wrong but I think cancellation of a flight is more important than than my scenario. You know what I mean like. Think it's more. It's more useful for that person to get a refund in comparison to me so I don't know I just. It's disappointing that united to doing it. This way You know just actually has a flight scheduled for Wednesday that she's supposed to Austin she's not going to take the trip but I mean there's four people on the plane and amazed. I'm amazed Alaskan cancelled. It was actually talking to someone earlier today. Alaska of all the US carriers. Alaska Airlines has reduced. Its schedule. The least yeah which is really strange to me If you WANNA put on your foil hat and go for a fun ride. One of the arguments was. Maybe they want bankruptcy to undo the mess they made with the Virgin America by how might be a little bit extreme. But yeah it's really interesting how little they've adjusted their schedules Compared to obviously the big the biggest airlines Delta American united have cut massive chunks. But a lot of that international and international that Alaska never did anyways but domestic loads crater. Like jetblue is doing whether calling rolling cancellations where a day or two before the flight. If the loads are too low. They're just canceling. The trips. Reminded one hundred one hundred fifty of the eight hundred flights a day. They're doing that too now because they literally I mean. These aren't flights with single. Digit numbers of passengers. And I've pilot friend of mine. They're posted on Instagram of thirteen souls. Onboard for crew was ninety four crew nine passengers. Which is you have to cancel it. I would think a one off whatever maybe not but this is not a one off. This is the new regular. Yeah and like. That's the thing with justice flights. Like if they really wanted to they could cancel her flights and re Booker via Seattle or San Jose City And maybe put more people in planes but from what I've seen is just been masking insulations on her plate where Whitley were full. 'cause it's break here and no one's traveling now so these are all regional flights This is Portland Austin. Non-south is one seventy five thousand guys. No no it's it's not to Airbus seven seven. Three nine on the way back doesn't do anything at the regional contracts. It's it's the hipster expresses usually full. Well you know what's funny? Obsessed mention keep to honor their nose. Looking Newer Capetown is going out empty. Capetown Newark is coming back full. Everybody's evacuating Africa. Yeah it's crazy. Well that would cause I was wondering why they're running that play all the way through the end of the schedule and they cancelled everything else. I started looking at the loads mccaw. That makes more sense. Yeah there's a lot of very symmetrical loads right now Someone was saying the China Southern puts three eighties back on L. A. X. Three times a week now for those you worry that the eighties never fly again. At least for the very short period of time China Southern brought back by apparently the the SCUTTLEBUTT is empty coming into L. A. And full gone out with three Patriots Knees China as well so take with a grain of salt. It was shared by someone who is a Chinese national by suggesting that the Chinese of the United States are fearful especially in Los Angeles area. If you're full of the medical system WANNA get back to China where they think they'll be treated better. I think at this point China's probably the safest China or South Korea Safest PLACES TO BE. Certainly the most skilled incompetent in dealing with the situation. Exactly I I did find it interesting. That Singapore has now banned even transit passengers. I mean that's kind. I mean that's a. That's a new one for me now. There's a lot of countries doing now Part of that is they're they're not allowing entry of non residence and as flights are being canceled and operations are going to how they don't want to get stuck with someone who is now living in the airport
Virginia's proposed ban on assault weapons rejected by lawmakers
"State legislators in Virginia have rejected a bail that would have banned assault style weapons Aurora Columbine and Orlando Virginia delegate mark Levin ticked off mass shootings he said he might have been prevented if assault style weapons and high capacity magazines were banned from sale these weapons pose a real danger opponents like Patricia web question the bills unintended consequences way court that's over two thousand licensed firearms dealers in the state out of business the Virginia Senate Judiciary Committee rejected the bill as tender as several other gun control measures including universal background checks for private gun sales have already passed corresponded Erin conter
"columbine" Discussed on Today in True Crime
"The today is November twenty first two thousand nineteen on this day in nineteen twenty seven a group coal miners on strike in the town of Serene Colorado came head to head with state police. Six miners were killed in the ensuing. Gunfire fire known as the Columbine Mine Massacre. This incident became a rallying point for labor rights activists across the United States dates. Welcome to today and true. Crime of our cast original due to the violent nature of today's crimes crimes listener discretion is advised extreme. Caution is advised for listeners under thirteen today. We're discussing the Columbine Mine massacre a nineteen twenty seven incident where state police fired into a crowd of roughly five hundred coal miners in the town of Serene in Colorado before we unpack the ramifications of the massacre. Let's go back to the early morning of November twenty first as a crowd gathered gathered outside the columbine mine the son had not even risen and already not. The crowd was thick. Minors pressed against each other almost shoulder to shoulder. But unlike the other recent rallies this one had a muted muted quality. No one was singing solidarity forever and there were few women or children in the crowd on their way toward the the columbine mine the strikers came to a complete stop toward the back a minor strained to see over his companions shoulders. They should have passed the gates by now. The Dawn light glinted off a row of steel helmets. State police the minor felt his heart sink. It was within their rights to protest without being harassed by authorities. He knew Adams didn't care for the industrial workers of the world or wobbly as they were often called but this seemed. Excessive Adams was using volunteer policeman. Lee's men as his own union. Busting goons the miners muscles tensed as he heard a voice. Come from an officer standing with the state eight police it called out. There will be no parades today. After a chorus of responses the officer spoke again. He asked the assembled crowd. Who are your leaders from the back of the crowd the minor wasn't sure who spoke folk but what they said made him grin? We are all leaders here. This was the sort of speech that would change. Change the world. The police wouldn't be able to arrest a single individual and squelch the movement. The revolution would only be stopped when their our demands were met but the minor was shaken out of these idealistic thoughts moments later. When all hell broke broke loose? The crowd surged forward. A cloud of horrible gas exploded toward the front of the protest. An unexploded canister landed by the miners feet without thinking he seized it like it was a live grenade and flung it back toward toward the police. The minor pushed ahead shouting. He couldn't see the front at all through the gas. His is stung but he would. I'm not be deterred. Some of his companions broke away from the group coughing. Both the multitude remained strong. They were hundreds hundreds they would not be deterred by riot control but then the unthinkable happened gunshots. Cut it through the air ahead of them. The tide of the crowd reversed in an instant. The enraged voices of the wobbly turned into cries of pain pain and confusion. Another burly worker collided with the minor. causing him to stagger and fall onto the earth. His thoughts it's were scattered confused. How had this happened? He scrambled to his feet and fled back toward his car. Many of his fellows lows were already gathering by their vehicles. Men were removing their white undershirts tying bedsheets to shovel handles and collecting any white cloths. They could find a moment later. The minor realized what they were doing they were making surrender. Flags meant to to protect them from more gunfire. The police had opened fire on workers. This was no longer a strike. This it was a slaughter will explore the aftermath of the columbine mine massacre after this now back to the story at dawn on November Twenty First Nineteen twenty seven Colorado state. Police opened fire on striking miners. Just outside outside the columbine mine when the smoke cleared two men had been killed. Three more died in the hospital by the end of the week peek. A sixth striker had died of his injuries. Testimonies on the morning's events varied widely depending on the source. Colonel Louis Scherf testified that the crowd had been carrying knives and rocks and had broken the gate to the mind compound open. According to Scherf Scherf he only commanded his men to fire when they were cornered and forced up against a water tank by the bloodthirsty protesters in the minors version of the story. The crowd was unarmed intending only to protest for better conditions as they had been doing for the last month. The police opened fire when they refused to move. According to some miners. The police used machine guns to subdue the crowd the the police contested this but the image of a policeman mowing down innocent miners became a rallying image on pro-worker material for the remainder of the protests the Colorado mine strikes of Nineteen Twenty seven to nineteen twenty eight were organized by the industrial industrial workers of the world a Labor Organization that has existed since nineteen o five. At the turn of the century. Worker's rights were becoming being an ongoing source of conflict in the United States in the early nineteen ten's labor unions such as the I W W turned their energy to pushing for better hours and working conditions for miners according to a number of historians after the First World War the influence of the I W W had declined in spite of this. The I W W still had a strong foothold in Colorado as evidenced by the story story of Serene in early September of Nineteen. Twenty seven. The I W W road up a list of demands for better working in conditions in Colorado mines. They told state governor atoms and the owners of the mines that if their demands were not met within thirty days. He's they would go on. Strike the eye. WW's declaration went. Unheeded and miners walked out starting October. Eighteenth the first response from Governor Adams came eight days later on October twenty. Sixth Adams wrote an unfortunate condition exists in the coalfields of the state. By reason of the I W W and un-american organization having attempted to bring about a strike and in this attempt has openly and publicly advocated and practiced defiance and violation of the law in this statement. Governor Adams refuse to acknowledge the reality of the strike and soon was marshalling state police to quell the protests. But the police were not instructed to use lethal force on the protesters by Governor Atoms. That they did on their own Adams was almost most certainly aware of what could happen. If the protests turned into a shooting gallery because that kind of fiasco had happened before as tragic as the November twenty first massacre was it was not unprecedented in nineteen fourteen in Ludlow Colorado Colorado the United Mine Workers of America attempted to marshal a strike against John D Rockefeller's Colorado fuel and Iron Company. They demanded that Rockefeller recognized their union and answer their demands for better working conditions in response. Roughly twenty eighty five. People were killed that day including eleven children events like the Columbine mine massacre showed. You'd even thirteen years. After the ludlow massacre the state of Colorado had a long way to go for Labor reform press coverage the I W W and their proposed labor strike had for the most part been hostile and dismissive throughout October of nineteen twenty seven following the second massacre their tone shifted as is so often the case with protests it took a horrific act the violence for the masses to show sympathy for their neighbors plight. Thanks for you're listening to today and true crime. I'm Vanessa Richardson today. In true crime is a park. Cast original you can find more episodes of today and true crime and all other podcast asked originals for free on spotify. Not only the spotify already. Have all of your favorite music but now spotify is making it easy for you to enjoy all of your favorite podcast originals. Like today true crime for free from your phone desktop or smart speaker to stream today in true crime on spotify. Just open the APP and type up today in true crime in the search bar at podcast. We're grateful for you our listeners. We will allow us to do what we love. Let us know how we're doing reach out on facebook book and Instagram at par cast and twitter at podcast network. We'll be back with a brand new episode tomorrow in True Crime Doc. Today in true crime was created by Max Cutler is a production of cutler media. And is part of the podcast network it is produced by Max and Ron Cutler sound design by Andy Weights with production assistance. By Ron Shapiro Hall Mahler and Freddie Beckley this episode of today in True Crime was written by Robert Teams draw. I'm Vanessa Richardson..
Those They Left Behind: The Victims of Roy Melanson
"His cabin they stopped at a gas station to put some air in the leaky tire and they had to buy some more beer because they're all out and it continued on their driver car jerked so the two men the shows with that day no surprise turned out to be Chuck Mathews in Roy Melanson so chuck gone out of the car underneath the chassis and so that Iraq had put a hole in the oil pan so michelle offered to give them in a ride in her car when they made it to town got to her car matthews got into the backseat with oak and Melanson wrote up front with Michelle Michelle drove them back to gunnison asmir thieves bonded with Oak Michelle Cherif Melanson yes it was late afternoon they arrived back at the Columbine Bar Matthews was really surprised though because then he overheard Melanson asked Michelle if she could drive him a few more blocks to where he left his truck now he hadn't even mentioned a truck Matthews Matthews didn't think he had a truck I mean if he had a truck why they've been riding around in his old terrible junker were to prove in itself untrustworthy in absolutely breaking down and leaking air and stuff that's terrible so that's a good question where we take in my old junker but he didn't say anything in Melanson told Matthews he'd be back in a while and rode off in the passenger seat of Michelle's car so matthew went into the bar but he was confused and he decided he'd wait for Melanson to come back and maybe he could give him a ride home in his truck but when Melanson and returned by nine pm matthews called a friend to pick him up and he thought that would be the last seat here this whole thing but the next morning Melanson Grove Michelle Wallace's Redman Asta station wagon to the JC penney storing gunnison and he wrote a fraudulent check to purchase a dress shirt and pants Georgia and Megan Wallace Michelle's parents were back in Chicago thinking that everything was Fine Michelle was alive and well and would be back soon they were really happy that she was going to working as a photographer in North Carolina but September second came and went without a call from Michelle and she promised Maggie that she would call her that day so Maggie called the sheriff in Gunnison to report Michelle Missing Ecorse it had only been a couple of days she was an adult so the dispatcher told her not to worry her daughter and probably just decided to camp for another day or two forgot to collar but Maggie knew better she knew Michelle and she insisted that Michelle would never do that so she persisted and she actually got the sheriff's Department to talk to her and to search scofield part so the next one warning the under sheriff went to Michelle's apartment and saw that she had never returned from her trip so they figure that Michelle could have had an accident the rugged country so the undersheriff co the crested Butte Police Department an SM to look for her car they call them back that evening saying there's no sign ever car. The Maggie's calling repeatedly she's just worried sick a massive search was started by the gunnison sheriff the crested butte police department and the Civil Air Patrol rose also many volunteers helping in the search also Michelle's remained gave the police Michelle's hairbrush I glass says to hold his evidence and this would pay off much later not right away because we're in nineteen seventy four technology and advancements in science in a long way to go through certainly did very minimal right right so it was on September six when Chuck Mathews heard about a missing girl on the radio and we heard the description of Michelle in her dog along with her last known whereabouts he knew that she was a young woman that he had met with Melanson on August thirtieth but of course all he knows about Melanson is his first name was Roy so matthews called the sheriff's department and gave them a description of Michelle of her dog and of her Red Mazda wagon the last time he had seen her was outside of the Columbine bar she drove away with a man who the only numerous Roy and this really sounded bad this made the case sound a lot worse were here it should have been less seen with a man she really didn't know right she just met no one knew who roy was or afraid even his real name then the next day ranch called the sheriff's Department to report that he had shot and killed a dog on September fourth in his dog matched oak description he'd get the thanks caller which had a tag with shells name on it and other people called until the sheriff that they'd seen the dog wandering around in the area since August thirty first again bad news because Michelle and oak had been inseparable yes she's missing in her dog is dead so it's really looking like foul play frakes but a fora was contacted after Chuck Matthews told the police that Roy had told him he had been killing coyotes for a sheep rancher in Scholefield Park Spatafora told them that he had employed Roy and he knew his last name it was worry Melanson regarded her name mill food yeah yeah but of course Melanson had left the area he had arrived in Pueblo and Michelle's Mazda on August thirty first and he had spent the night with sally the fourteen year old and got one of her sisters to drive him to where he had parked the Mazda he told her that a friend had left it there for him to us so at this point I really have to question Sally's mother Lucille Burdens judgment here what the Hell's going on it's almost like she's prostituting her daughter you know well he's kind of staying at their house it's very weird and I don't know where the father was I know he was working it didn't ever come home and see what's going on it's really strange disturbing situation that's an understatement for this time though Melanson seemed to be doing much better financially than the last time the Burton girls had seen him he had new clothes new camping equipment and a really nice camera now salad use the camp took a picture of Melanson laying on the couch behind one of her friends yes oh what's this man doing in the House with these teenage girls laying on the couch it's also creepy Dick I just don't understand it we don't have any information or any any reasons why her mother true things the way she do now I mean what I've read about the case there was always just the idea that he was such a smooth talker in so convincing but to me nobody's that convincing that you're going to let him hang around your fourteen year old weird hat royals yeah Melanson didn't stay in Pueblo very long on September eighth in Cedar Falls Iowa when he was there he joined Michelle's camera backpack and sleeping bag than in elk city Iowa he made a guy named Thurman Wilder in a bar and the two started talking while they're told him that he was a heavy equipment raider looking for a job and Melanson told him that he had a friend in Pueblo who owned a construction company and he was sure that his friend would hire wilder I think he was just trying to get a ride there I guess he was always trying to get something from someone he was with the conman are always still have was in his white Cadillac and when they got to Amarillo Texas Melanson duck the Mazda and he ended up writing the rest of the trip with wilder in the Cadillac Hitt told wilder that his car needed repairs and he was taking it to shop and they'd pick it up on the way back then on September twelfth an anonymous caller are reported a suspicious white cadillac that was hanging around a high school and the Cadillac was pulled over and Melanson said that he and Wilder just waiting to pick up Sally Burton at school which is pretty creepy right there your suit is but when Nelson's driver's license was checked the police discovered that he was wanted for rape and Texas so both Melanson and wilder were arrested and wilder gave permission for his car to be searched and the these funds several different items belonging to Michelle Wallace in the Cadillac these things included her car registration her driver's license insurance discard and also some of her camping equipment so there's no explanation that he's going to be able to give for that wouldn't appear to be so melanson was searched police found his unused best ticket from gunnison to Pueblo and found Semis two keys and two point tickets sleeping bag in a backpack then one of the offices remembered the beyond the lookout for a red monster station wagon on by Michelle while so let's solve this crime didn't we well no not really into which is a long way to go with that the Pueblo detectives are pretty sharp they contacted gunnison and learned about the search for Michelle the Amarillo police found Michelle's car it was abandoned one block from a bar recalled the hard hat lounge now the car was searched but nothing was found that would have indicated foul play so nothing they give us evidence and nothing that would help them and find Michelle of course they interviewed Melanson and he finally did admit to spending time with the Burton's and having a relationship with the teenage Sally but he denied that he'd ever had sex with sally you know they would just hanging around 'cause they had so much in common together you're just good friends sure I'll grown men have fourteen year old girl says their friends interviewed sally she told him that she hadn't Melanson in July your family's cabin and she said that she did actually have sex with him so restores here I'm thinking I'm going to bully sally absolutely he had traumatized her quite a bit and so isn't the statutory rape yes should be but you know you're gonNA find here that he really gets away with a lot for long time it's really frustrating after extensive interviews Melanson insisted on speaking to the FBI and eventually he said that he did remember Eating Michelle he said he had a drink with her in a bar and she had left her dog tied up outside then he said he'd made up an excuse to borrow her car and she had led him so he just taken off in her car and it never seen her again not very believable story no bishop since he had all her things on his position Russian was stopped that anyway we'll we'll take a story so investigators suspected Nelson in Michelle's disappearance so in three other Texas rapes and Texas murder and then the police in Louisiana also wanted to question mallets about a series of murders in their state great so it looks like he's just done a lot of crimes that he's gotten away with Chuck Mathews was brought in and he was able to identify Melanson as the man Michelle's car when he last saw them after that detectives were convinced that they had Michelle's killer but without a body the prosecutor wouldn't charge him with murder so they were kind of step yeah I mean I know this is forty five years ago so things are different because we've done some cases where they've prosecute you didn't prosecuted successfully people with nobody well it certainly can be done but you need a lot of other evidence where it sounds like they got your amount the first thing you know you have to be able to prove the person's dad that's the first obstacle where you have to be able to maybe not prove but beyond a shadow of doubt so did now same thing to me or care so searchers though they continue to look on the ground and from the for Michele Maggie and George Wallace her parents held out hope that Michelle would be found alive of course but a new about Melanson story and they knew it was a lie she wouldn't have loaned her car to a stranger but unfortunately no evidence was found that Michelle had been killed or like I said even that she was dead Maggie she'd never see her daughter again that started to set in and she fell into a really deep depression she was crying every day and people said she just looked totally lost six weeks after Michelle had disappeared the Colorado detectives asks for her dental
Florida woman arrested with arsenal of weapons
"But this could have ended very badly tonight a Florida woman is under arrest after amassing pipe bombs and other weapons inside her home and not police say to kill hundreds if not thousands Courtney's Askey has more on this including who turned around. police were called to the stand by area home where inside they discovered an arsenal two dozen metal stuff pipe bombs and fuses as well as a cache of guns and other weapons according to Hillsborough County sheriff chat krone start how much damage could those weapons and those bombs have done it's frightening to think of the catastrophic damage and loss of life twenty seven year old Michelle cold was arrested early this morning she's charged with twenty four counts of making a destructive device with intent to harm they were also books and DVDs focused on murder mass killings domestic terror and bomb making found in the home colts lives with her parents who were the ones who Turner and every long for some office in a world always says if you see something say something. and I could applaud these parents more for having the courage to do just that investigators say colts was obsessed with the Oklahoma City bombing and the Columbine mass shooting. last year police went to the colts home after they received a tip that she had placed an online order for material on pipe bomb construction but they determined she was not a threat to today her parents told police
How Young Is Too Young to Face Arrest?
"Criminals come in in all shapes and sizes though it may strain definition that we can count a six-year-old throwing a temper tantrum in an elementary school among them yet welcome to America in late. September two thousand nineteen a Florida cop arrested to grade schoolers slapped a pair of handcuffs on at least one of them and sent them off to be booked fingerprinted and have their mugshots taken taken both children again six year olds who misbehaved at school were charged with misdemeanor battery a bad day for Harried police officer well yeah maybe a bad day for schools and the juvenile justice system absolutely we spoke with Marsha Levick the chief legal officer for the Juvenile Law all center which bills itself as the country's first nonprofit public interest law firm for children she said does it get more ridiculous. It's absurd. It's it's a ridiculous abusive law enforcement power authority but it's also really unnecessary but all too common abdication on the part of schools and school districts teachers just defer their management of school misconduct to police the pure legality of charging a juvenile as young as six with crime varies across the United States to be clear a juvenile in forty five states plus the district of Columbia is anyone younger than seventeen in Georgia Michigan Missouri Texas and Wisconsin. It's anyone anyone younger than sixteen juvenile offender normally doesn't move through the criminal courts but through the juvenile justice system which has guided according to the office of Juvenile Justice some delinquency prevention quote by the concept of rehabilitation through individualized justice for more serious offenses though juveniles may be tried in criminal court wear if found guilty the court focuses on punishment not rehab of fifty one jurisdictions. That's the fifty states plus the District of Columbia thirty. The three have no lower level limit on holding a young person criminally accountable that excess that includes Florida in effect that means that an overzealous cop legally Wrigley can arrest even an unruly two year old of those eighteen other jurisdictions most put the lower level that a kid can be charged with a crime at ten years years old in those locations six-year-old like the two in Florida simply could not be arrested or charged with a crime levick said obviously it begs eggs the question how can that be. How can we possibly have created juvenile court system that allows for the possibility that six and seven year olds can be arrested. I think they never envisioned and six or seven year old would be hauled into court. I think that's a fair assumption. That's not who designed the system for so what happened in Florida a police Lisa Officer with Orlando's reserve unit arrested the two six year olds on separate misdemeanor battery charges on September nineteenth of two thousand nineteen one was a girl who lashed out in a Tantrum Trim that was brought on by a sleep disorder. The girl's family told The New York Times on Monday September twenty third the Orlando Police Department fired the officer who made the arrests for not following in protocol that required he'd get approval from his supervisor to arrest any minor younger than age twelve. No charges were filed against the two children. Cops in schools rules of course are not new. Florida is one of many states that has bumped up. Its police presence in schools over the years. The Florida legislature mandated it after the shooting at Marjory Stoneman when Douglas high school in Parkland claimed seventeen lives in February of two thousand eighteen the buildup of police in schools understandable in some ways. It's been more in twenty years since two students killed thirteen people and injured twenty one others at Columbine High School in Littleton Colorado since columbine up until April of this year America it has been through two hundred and thirty eight other school shootings according to a year long investigation by the Washington Post this increased show of force though does come with problems plums for one as the Orlando Sentinel points out citing report by the Education Week Resource Center black students are arrested at school at disproportionately high hi rate at least one of the children arrested in Orlando was black and as the recent news out of Orlando Shows Police School kids even elementary school kids just sometimes sometimes don't mix levick said we know where this is coming from. This fear of what happens when a child acts out in school. There's going to be some catastrophic consequence I am I need from Columbine for twenty years. We've been overreacting. I'm not aiming to trivialize schools being so quick. Call Law enforcement there obviously many situations nations in which that's appropriate but this is one that defies common sense most would agree that slapping cuffs on first graders probably is crossing the line zero-tolerance. Your tolerance certainly has its costs eleven said initially the thought was that there would be some rationality some reasonableness injected into the school environment would curb those extreme and absurd responses but it may be that trusting in waiting for commonsense to kick in isn't going to work it may be that it does require a legislative response. It's some movements across the nation aim to raise the minimum age that a child can be charged with a crime to twelve years old in some of those thirty three jurisdictions actions where no minimum ages set their calls to set something until then though school police officers may have to lean on something much less complicated than legislative action should when faced with a prepubescent troublemaker a deep breath. Maybe a countdown from ten and a little common sense.
'The Irishman' Is (Almost) Here
"Was a movie eight premiering a New York on Friday. You and I were in Los Angeles. We did not see this movie. We're going to see this movie very soon but it is without a doubt the movie news of the weekend and and then we called the Irishman in the Irish premiered to what I would describe as one hundred percent approval rating Hosanna. 's from on high what'd you make of the the reaction to Martin Scorsese's latest cinematic achievement excited. I mean you have to take the festival grain of salt. There is something something to this movie premiering at the New York Film Festival like on a Friday. It's it's a self selecting crowd self selecting group of people bowl but it looks like a lot of fun the all the images of Pacino Deniro and it's crazy up on the stage have an end at the party's he's having the time of their lives indicated to me that this is they're having a great time and that I think infuses the movie itself that it is something like it worked. You know we it's three hours. We didn't see it for a long time. We you know it could be a rehash of some things maybe but it seems like they will pay off on this one. It's not only three hours three hours and twenty minutes right okay. I was trying to be kind. It's based on the two thousand four memoir called. I heard you paint houses by Charles Brand and it stars Al Pacino and Robert De Niro and Joe Pesci and it uses de aging technology. Ag To make these men seen younger and that has been a big talking point of the movie up until people saw the movie was clouded in a series of your butts. I think all leading to last Friday the Airbus include the technology they include does Robert Deniro still care about acting can not go over the top in a performance format. Does Mardi still have it can Joe Patchy still speak we haven't seen him speak publicly in many years and it seems like all all of these things were proven to be false alarms at best and I think a lot of people seem to think that this is the front runner for the best picture and There's something kind of amazing to me about that now. Obviously the we're taking a mountain of Salt Raider point given the festival atmosphere and being New York and everything but still this is a this is the disruption right and we have not seen yet and we're very much looking forward to seeing it but we have not seen it yet. You know I I will say when the Oscars aired. What Day was that in two thousand eighteen February twenty something February yes there was a commercial for the Irishman debuting in theaters and on that flex this fall and I think at that that moment you and I considered it to be the two thousand Nineteen Oscar Front runner for and these things do it is a little horse racing it goes back and forth and so the questions as you you just mentioned you know would it live up to that. Oscar Front runner status and I think the answer is yes. It's definitely yes. I wonder if it completely resets the expectation of the Oscars this year because I was assuming that it was absolutely going to be a player now what this means is there are almost certainly going to be due to net flicks movies nominated for best picture need even three net flicks movies so you've got the Irishman you've got marriage story and you've got the two popes which premiered telluride to to acclaim and that signals something significant changing and a lot of the column writing and the tweeting and the sort of not that not the day of reaction but the Saturday Sunday reaction action I think to the Irishman including the Columbine Owen Gleiberman that from variety who reflected on I think a lot of the anxiety that Roma produced last year about the idea of a streaming streaming service releasing what may be considered by many people to be the best movie of the year with that means for moviemaking what that means for the future of the Oscars but the Irishman is kind of a mega sized version of that question or problem or whatever you WANNA call it. You could make the case that it's nothing that that this is a completely overstated situation. I wrote about Roma in that context last year and I think the question here is more like this is a one hundred sixty million dollar movie. No studio other than Netflix is going to pay for this movie. It's the kind of movie that I think. Actually we could do pretty good business. If you put in a movie theaters got great reviews. That's got a lot of brand. Names is a gangster movie could it couldn't. I don't know if it's GONNA be a five hundred dollar five hundred million dollar movie but it could be a hundred million dollar movie and so with that the fact that we're never really going to know that because even though it's going into theaters is not going to the big theater chains. I think we do have three or four months. It's now of Netflixing Zaidi to to to detangle with. Yes for sure I mean I don't want to downplay the narrative of that in last year's Oscars and in every conversation that anyone has about the movie industry right now you know I think ultimately people in vote for Roma because it was a two and a half hour foreign film and they felt like values were being shoved down their throat and they just wanted to vote for it. The the familiar feel good like Virtue Signal Inc.. Except Not Green Book. I think those voters will not think twice about voting for the Irishman instead of something else. I don't think Netflix will come into the equation that way for them. I just I kind of think the position that the Irishman has in this in this Oscar Season Zain will be less about streaming platforms and more about a gen values and it's like I said it's like can you Oscar. Bait and a lot of ways is an interesting thing. I could sense that last year at some point. Alfonzo Koran just got sick of having to answer questions about Netflix that after a while and he was in a very similar situation. I don't think that there was necessarily a company that would have paid as much money for his film. Netflix did to distribute at even though they didn't originally only finance the movie and I wonder if Scorsese at some point now he's probably not going to do a ton of press because he's Martin Scorsese and doesn't have to but I wonder if at some point he's he's just kind of like enough. The movie is the movie yeah. Let's just think about it that way but for for our purposes we do kind of have to we have to tangle with it in three nominees unease from that studio would be it'd be a fascinating test of the academy because marriage stories definitely one of the best movies. I've seen this year and it fit checks a lot of boxes for for the kinds of movies that Oscar likes if not best picture at least every category nomination wise and the Irishman is right down the middle new Oscar Bait so and old Oscar Bait. I mean I think that's the I it's kind of the exception in so many ways because it is on Fox because Scorsese and De Niro and Pacino and PECI. It's it is all of the old things there. I mean there's just you know I was thinking about. How excited my dad's? GonNa be just to see the Irishman and they're just his dad incor- yeah but it is also a cinematic triumph apparently so anybody who actually cares about movies we'll all be interested and they are doing theaters and that's like ages kind of four quadrant for lack of a better word so it seems like elastic section as opposed to like the future of movies. If that makes any
Fashion brand faces backlash for school shooting-themed sweatshirts
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Fashion brand faces backlash after unveiling school-shooting themed hoodies
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The Odessa Police Chief Is Refusing to Name the Mass Shooter. It's Part of a Growing Trend.
"Of course we had some more shootings mass shootings over the weekend in Odessa Texas Odessa and Midland an interesting news conference with the police chief who at a news conference that he refused to name the shooter he said he would name the shooter afterwards in the meantime that name has gotten out if you really wanted to know who it was but what do you think about that Amy owes him saying he refuses to publicly name the shooter well I I am all for it I don't see the names of the shooters it when we talk about the mass shootings here on the radio and yes I know the name is going to get out in fact the Odessa police released to the name on Facebook but he said I'm not going to say it on television I'm not going to say it right away and there is a benefit to that you don't get the B. roll of the clip of him saying the name over and over again because it has been shown that these mass shooters crave notoriety they crave attention and they are drawing inspiration from each other and it really started with the Columbine shooters then you have the Aurora shooting at the theater and I know some of the parents gathered that create an organization called no notoriety after the Aurora shooting saying let's not turn these guys into celebrities I mean they're planning for the attention now they're writing these leaving biographical trails with these manifestos and pictures and talking about their wrongs they know that every detail will be on CNN or headline news so even if it's as seemingly small of a gesture as not seen the name in the news press conference I'm all for it well I'm not as convinced as you seem to be about. the motivation of infamy or notoriety that these people a seek I think it's much more complicated than that having said that I think that the police chiefs jobs public safety and if he believes that he can thwart or de motivate some people by not sharing the name that's fine on the other hand there's a whole industry called the media and their job is to provide information to move people out there and part of the information is the identity of the perpetrator so I think that there are cross sell purposes here I I totally believe that the media has a duty maybe even responsibility to name the criminal the alleged shooter and that's just in generally speaking I think information overall is a better thing than the lack of information but sometimes I question whether or not the media's releasing every single biographical detail and harping on the names and the pictures in the social media accounts because they feel that this is actually helping the case that this information is necessary to the public or they just want eyeballs they want clicks they want views if they can have more information about the shooter I think at some point the media has a responsibility not to make a celebrity out of these guys well you could say that clicks rivals about any story name the story is is is the sports coverage only for eyeballs are they really sharing good information about a sports team and that's the job there in to sell newspapers to get radio listeners television viewers and I think that the media has an important role I mean what if we had not mention the name of Lee Harvey Oswald are sore hand Sir and I mean that would just be
Chaplains Deploy to Texas After Weekend of Deadly Shootings
"And on the ground in el Paso a chaplain from Charlotte who's offering counsel then comfort heavy mood but all the people are grieving and one in the law although a lot L. new lives in Charlotte but right now he's in el Paso he's Chaplin coordinator for the Billy Graham rapid response team this mission ten from the group there you know you're all right over here and el Paso that nothing like this happens here this is a community that everybody gets along well there's no problems and it took somebody to drive seven hundred miles come here to do this to them saw a memorial that set up that you're out the Walmart driveway and there's all these crowds of people and and and our condolences there at the mall site and a carpenter from Aurora Illinois Greg xanthus they call in the cross man he's been bringing crosses to shooting scenes since the Columbine shooting question as the victim's name on it so the mourners Woodstock false to where there was a family member or friend shows like they could you know like something I like to catch it could have been worse the toll in el Paso could have been even higher this Walmart is part of a very busy market place I understand and estimated number of people that were on the ground there were about six thousand people around the Walmart and the mall it's in it's connected to a mall there about six thousand people our alarm come all were on buses from Mexico to do their shop and then go back next fall so what do you say to people in such pain there's just no truer words of town on a man please try to all look him up and let him know that they're not alone that god is still in control and god loves them and we try to offer them hope in Jesus nine says for the people in el Paso the event will be engraved in our memories forever besides consoling the chaplains working to prevent a second tragedy real concern is the future because follow behind the same justice sick later suicide starts take place and it can be within the first responders organizations or can be family members this is not al news first mass shooting well probably about eight nine shooting mass shootings like this first when I lay down almost sandy hook Newtown Connecticut the mission not easy now it's not easy but that the chaplains and my current job are chaplains than I do we encourage them to take a strong car lot and always have change prayed for you come home when you do call is that something like this and that's what your first visit where yeah we know it has to be that we would make that a ourself with the right mind the chaplain he had one request every Lester's to continue to hold the diagram rappers Fosse chaplains in prayer that's what takes
Cory Booker: Trump is 'responsible' for El Paso shooting
"In an interview with CNN state of the union New Jersey senator and democratic presidential candidate Cory Booker says with moral clarity president trump is responsible for the mass shootings in Ohio and Texas he's responsible because he's stoking fears and hatred and bigotry he is responsible because he's failing to condemn white supremacy and see it as it is which is responsible for such a significant amount of the terrorist attacks Alan congressman Republican Peter king says senator Booker placing blame on president trump adds to the climate that Booker claims he's trying to tamp down it is wrong to responsible for senator book it's re trying to blame this on president trump anymore than we blames past present for Columbine or a blame president Obama for the shootings in Charleston or the said the hawks massacre now this goes beyond that and it doesn't add to the debate that doesn't make it any more intelligent on gun control king says there are several factors mental health issues that lead to the shootings but that his party needs to realize the gun regulation is
Colorado school district says won't tear down Columbine High School, site of massacre
"News the Jefferson County Colorado school system will not demolish Columbine high school the Denver area district has been trying to figure out how to stop people obsessed with the nineteen ninety nine massacre from going to the school but in a letter released Wednesday the school superintendent wrote that a community survey on what to do about the high school found mixed reaction to
A Look At The Impact Of Active Shooter Drills
"There's been a rise in the number of school resource officers across the country, Chris, and I'm wondering why that is what's leading to this increase presence of law enforcement in, in schools. It's really been a long time coming. So simple things that happened back that ideas, no, mention Columbine which one factor that led to the nineteen ninety four federal law. That's required. Expulsion of, of student for weapon possession in it also included for the first time, federal funding source school resource officers, they couple of factors that happened in the nineties, one in the juvenile Justice system in the one that impacted the schools the approach to juvenile Justice in the more heavy handed approach to locking up, young people, quite detrimental, and quite impactful on, on a lot of disadvantaged students, but that also happens schools of zero tolerance policy that coincided with the increased security measures across all schools. And that also has led to unintended consequences that just SO related, but student. Exclusion related also impacting soon disabilities in racial ethnic disparities in punishment and want to get into the sort of disparities that you're mentioning there in a little bit, Chris. Because I think these are really important in terms of the broader conversation going back to the second to officer Peterson here. I'm wondering mo-. There's a lot of criticism. And now even more than criticism about how Peterson handled the shooting with your expertise. What should Peterson have done? Chris, a good phrase minute ago, outlier and Florida is kind of an outlier as far as our association goes because it's, it's a state where we do not train school Bice police officers, they do their own training, in Florida. So part of the answer to that is I don't know how he was trained. That's part of the problem for me and trying to answer any of this. I've seen the footage of talked with several folks who have been involved in investigation corley. There's an issue here when you've got someone standing at a door for the length of time he did. That's not the way we would train anyone again. I'll go back to say this is direct to threat type issue. You've got shots fired in a building. You have to assume you're dealing with an active shooter event you have to pursue that threat and stop it before more lives are lost. I want to I want to drill down a little bit more into that moan because is an SRO is a. School resource. Officer expected to take down shooter expected to essentially bag give their lives in in an effort to remove the threat.
Eubanks, Austin And Columbine High School discussed on 10 10 WINS 24 Hour News
"Twenty years after the Columbine high school shooting. Survivor has died under tragic circumstances, Thirty-seven-year-old Austin, Eubanks, traveled the country, as a speaker telling his story about the shooting and how he recovered from his addiction to the opiates. He began taking for his gunshot wounds in an interview he described how the painkillers became a way to escape the trauma of the shoot every time I took the medications it made me feel better. I didn't have to engage in the stages of grief. I could avoid that intense emotion die. Died yesterday in his home Eubanks. His family issued a statement saying Austin lost the battle with the very disease. He fought so hard
Austin Eubanks, Columbine School And Connecticut discussed on 10 10 WINS 24 Hour News
"Ending a man who survived the Columbine school shooting twenty years ago. Police say Thirty-seven-year-old Austin Eubanks was found dead. It is home early yesterday morning. Cops were performing a welfare check. He didn't answer phone Eubanks publicly struggled with opioid addiction after the shooting his best friend was shot and killed the hid together under a library table back in nineteen ninety nine Eubanks himselves shot in the hand the and later years, it became a public speaker, traveled the country, talking schools, kids really civic groups. About the dangers of opioids and prescription drug dependence, just two weeks ago. He was nearby. Connecticut speeding, the two thousand nineteen opioid prescription drug prevention conference and interview described how he just wanted to help people. I'm
"columbine" Discussed on 1A
"Back, and you can read the New York Times coverage you can read Hitler saying it was America who taught us we should not open our arms equally other nations this week on it's been a minute from NPR. Back now to our conversation with Kay UNC's Lee Patterson about the legacy of the shooting at Columbine high school, it's part of a special collaboration with guns and America a reporting project that explores the relationship between we in the US and our firearms now Lee when it comes to Columbine, how do actual high school students feel about it. Yeah. We had some of our reporters asked the high school kids they interviewed in their communities about Columbine. And a lot of them said something like this. Have you ever heard of Columbine high school? No, I haven't heard of. Yes. I have. Students was at students that basically shot up a school. And they I mean, I'm not sure of the full extent to it. But that's all I pretty much. Are you familiar with with Columbine or or what happened there that school twenty years ago? I might have heard or something, but I could be confusing with something also not one hundred percent, sure. The fact of the matter is Columbine happened before these kids were born even the students who had heard of it really only knew about it through movies. When I watch everything about Columbine. It's all through like a documentary footage or like a news crew filming in all like with parkland. It was like we were seeing Snapchat videos of kids like in the classroom like the Deutz right outside the classroom shooting in. It's like he's still there filming under the desk, what their Snapchat and all that was like I opened. It was like doubt that's us. So let's back up to Columbine itself back before Snapchat before smartphones before all of our lives were so very deeply digital. How did activists back then? Get people to really understand what it was like to live through a mass shooting sue back to the year two thousand it's election night in Denver, one more euro that I know you've all been waiting to hear from tonight. This is a victory party for the passing of a ballot measure called amendment twenty two which close something called the gun show loophole by requiring background checks for firearm purchases at gun shows, honor and a pleasure introduce Tom medicine. You had a big smile on your face, and you got up to the podium. What what was that like for you? All. Is it was heavenly? It really was heavily sweet night. I know some people would say, oh, gee, isn't it bittersweet? You know, you're still just a little more than a year since the tragedy. But now that was that was just one of the great moments that night at the podium. Tom Mauser reaches down and holds up a pair of large white sneakers. And then in Daniel shoes, he says his son shoes, I could say, you know, we did this in in Daniel's name the people of Colorado did it and and he provided the inspiration for. Tom, son. Daniel was one of the twelve students killed at Columbine high school twenty years ago when I interviewed Tom recently at his church..
"columbine" Discussed on 1A
"Northern Colorado. She's also reporting fellow with guns and America. This is one A. I'm Joshua Johnson in Washington. Vaccinate everybody. I'm Peter Jennings. At ABC news world headquarters. We want to bring you up to date at the shooting at Columbine high school. They left the library. We just kinda ran for running towards the cop car. They just came in. And they started shooting. Everybody's saying get down get down. Perhaps. Now America would wake up to the dimensions of this challenge. Factually, become part of our language. A Columbine style attack Columbine really gave birth to the modern fear of kids being shot in schools were still struggling to figure out. Why did that happen? Twenty years ago to teenagers murdered a dozen students and one teacher at Columbine high school in Colorado since then more than two hundred twenty thousand students have been exposed to gun violence in schools, and the threat of a school shooting is always there an eighteen year old woman is dead of a self inflicted gunshot wound after threatening violence against Denver schools. Investigators say sold by was infatuated with the Columbine shooting so much so that she flew from Miami to Denver bought a shotgun and hid in the Colorado foothills for nearly two days more than a thousand Denver area schools closed yesterday as police searched for her. She was found dead on mount Evans yesterday afternoon. Joining us from K UNC public radio in Greeley about an hour. From Denver is reporter Lee Patterson. She's part of guns and America a reporting collaborative that focuses on America's relationship with firearms. Lee. Welcome to the program. Hi there. We'll talk about the. Order question of what's changed in America since Columbine? But tell us more about what happened this week. What more do we know about sold by? Sure. So she was an eighteen year old high school student in Miami. As you mentioned earlier this week law enforcement found her dead by suicide an apparent gunshot wound. The whole thing started a couple of days ago pace came to Denver. She landed at Denver International airport, Monday morning. She went and bought a shotgun. The FBI division here in Denver at some point was made aware of her presence, and basically frantically begin searching for her because you know, in their estimation. She had made threats that were credible in the area. She was infatuated with the Columbine high school shooting. Now, the FBI has said the threats were not specific to any particular school. They have also really haven't given out any details on these threats, but it all led to a massive manhunt and hundreds perhaps over a thousand front range schools were closed, and ultimately it all ended in the in the discovery of her body is supposed to have been especially emotional. Colorado, especially because Colorado passed a new red flag law just last Friday. Yes. Yes. Absolutely. I think this. This has been a very emotional thing for Colorado on one hand. Some people have said really an eighteen year old kid can shut down hundreds of schools, and you know, scaring entire metro area. Really? And then on the other hand, if people were terrified, you know, not letting their kids beyond the coldest sack imagining this woman creeping around in their neighborhood, and you know, really just feeling terrified and shake in in the wake of the you know, the twentieth anniversary of the Columbine high school shooting this weekend. It's been very difficult for communities, and a few of the survivors few of the Columbine survivors that I've been talking with and texting to were quite shaken up by this whole thing worth noting. Of course, red flag laws designed to prevent people who seem to be a threat to public safety from acquiring firearms. Let's shift gears to Columbine itself when it comes to that what exactly have you been focusing on? So a couple of months ago. I was listening to a hearing going on at the Colorado state house about a Bill. Will that would allow people to carry guns on school grounds? These types of discussions are going on around the country..
"columbine" Discussed on KCBS All News
"With the Columbine shooting. Closer look at what's ahead for the restoration of Notre dub CBS news special report. There's breaking news from the Denver foothills in the hunt for an eighteen year old armed woman met crochet from Casey NC TV tells us twenty or thirty armed officers. Teams with longtime. We're heading into the words as part of this search following up on with you considered credible lead an FBI agent ran over instead, quote, we've got her high school student from Florida was said to have a fascination with the Columbine high school massacre twenty years ago, Saturday correspondent, Barry Petersen. Authorities knew they would face something. Like this this week. They expected threats this one may consider very very credible. But they get threats all the time because of Columbine because of the fascination with the shooting, they're very, very careful. They take them seriously. It was enough for Columbine and other schools in that area too close today. CBS news special report, I'm Steve Kagan. KCBS news time nine thirty two. Well, despite all that was lost a good portion of Notre Dame cathedral. In Paris remains. Now, the process begins to restore and rebuild the centuries old church for more. We're joined live on the KCBS ring central Newsline by rob. Cornfeld junior preservation architect and principal with engineering firm Thornton, Tom SETI. Mr cornfield. Thank you for joining us this morning when it comes to the actual structure of the builder building. We think of stone is being fairly strong. But could it have been weakened by this fire? Yes. The, you know, the the he the heat from the fire and the the cold water from the hoses, you know, hitting the the hot stone can cause a thermal shock and the building is definitely moved around from heating and cooling so much, but it appears to be a very robust structure. I mean, the the the gossip builders eight hundred years ago, we're really brilliant. You just can't get them built like that anymore. You're looking at something that's been around that long. So the challenge for the restoration effort here will be to keep it looking like it does. But we'll the effort be to make it stronger and better in a way that it was before the fire. The immediate thing is to look at you know, the stability of the structure that today are to remove scaffolding to see if they're if they're sections that could that could continue to fall out like some of the the sections of the of of, you know, this kind of a continuity of the of the structure from the the flying buttresses to the walls to the to the stone vaults of the ceiling that all held together. And actually withstood the claps of the of the roof system, but it's very critical right now. You know to be stabilized. And I think that's the structural system will probably be reconstructed. Basically the way the way it was. When it comes to restoring the architectural aspects of the building will it be possible to fortify without changing the aesthetics. Well, I'm not sure I would use the word fortify. 'cause I mean, it's it's it's an amazingly robust structure, not not for many structures would survive having you know, the the the roof collapsed like that. But they certainly will wanna look at you know, like, the the the the the fire system probably having a missed system in the in the roof structure, maybe not using as flammable components for the part of the roof that you don't see like the interior structure of the roof system curious about, you know, your take on the philosophical debate around these things, you know, people look at this thing, a tendency to think everything there is eight hundred years old. In fact, it's been added to it's been changed via the Duke, the famous French preservation architect. I guess you could call him wrote that restoration is a means to reestablish a building to a Finnish state which. May in fact, never have actually existed at any given time. So what's what's plan? A when you begin to assess a project like this. Why think so look at which things are going to be rebuilt. Do you know exactly as they originally were in which things would be modified? I think that the essentially you wanna look up and see the same stone vaults that were originally there. And I think the roof on the exterior will be reconstructed looking like it was the tower. Clearly is a is a big question, you know, that was a nineteenth century structure. And I understand there's a competition now for for designs. So we'll see we'll see how that turns out when you're doing preservation work is it more expensive than building a building from scratch. You hear about the billion or close to a billion dollars that have been donated so far is that going to be enough? For is this going to be even more costly than we can begin to imagine. Well, I think. That's not going to be known entirely until until there's really an assessment of you know, what needs to be done just to stabilize and and and restore the original structure, but. It's a it's a tremendous tremendous job when you look at you know, how what it takes to even get access to those areas of of the roof, you know, to to remove debris, and and to then to to assess, you know, they they need to go in and use different sort of non destructive evaluation measures and laboratory testing to see what the condition of the materials, it's going to be a, you know, a long and complex project. So even just the logistics or expensive. We appreciate your time and your expertise funny.
"columbine" Discussed on Here & Now
"They're survivors of the Columbine shooting nearly twenty years ago to young men killed thirteen wounded more than two hundred and terrorized a community. And what was then the worst high school shooting in US history in Columbine, Colorado. Now, some of the Columbine survivors have been helping the parkland kids EMMY over is a part of that. She's now thirty eight a mother of two in Colorado. Welcome amy. Thank you for having me. Well, thank you for being here because I'm imagining this is the anniversary of another school shooting. It's another group of kids. But I'm wondering if it hits you as well, it definitely hits me as well. I was eighteen years old when I went through my shooting and as a mother of two now. It definitely hits me really hard. It's interesting because in reading a lot of the Columbine survivors accounts. They say that therapists at the time told you that down the road, you know, when you have kids you're going to get triggered again. That has definitely happened. It's just it's been a long journey Zo. I've I've gone through phases. Where I have you know, had to find out how I cope. I really struggled. When I became a mom. And when my daughter started school is when I had my first panic attack I had to go back to therapy because I I- sensually just was re traumatized, and and I was afraid that this was going to happen again to my child. Oh, just the cautionary tale. Do the Markland students, you know. And I know some of you from Columbine have been reaching out to them. We wanna talk about that as well. But really to get across what this means. I mean, panic attack some people might think, oh, your heart fluttered is this the day that you drop your child off at preschool. Yes. It was the first day a dropped my daughter off at preschool, and it's supposed to be an exciting. Happy time. All the parents are taking pictures of their backpacks, and I'm literally having a horrible panic attack. And almost collapsed. I ended up going straight to the hospital people that you're having a heart attack. I thought I was dying. I thought I was. Literally dying and the doctor says to you know, could anything of caused this. I was like, well, I just dropped my daughter off at school, and I'm a Columbine survivor. And he was like, well, I think you're having a panic attaching. So you know, I can laugh about it now. But it was a really dark time in my life and embarrassing because you know, at that point, I was almost ten years out of my shooting. And I was thinking why am I still struggling? Yeah. I mean, people who talk about triggers that's become sort of such a cliche. But it's a real thing. I mean, this is you couldn't have stopped that if you had wanted to what what is it is it like ice in your veins like what what is it just feels awful like if a car backfires or fourth of July as a survivor, it's kind of like a just an awful time. You mentioned car backfire in another time you were with another Columbine survivor friend and you're in a parking garage. And the a car backfires. When would you guys do we drop to the ground? We literally both just fell to the ground. Yeah. And we laughed about it. We were like, wow. Nineteen years out of our shooting and liquid. We're look what we're doing. Yeah. Look, I don't, you know, we don't want to go anywhere that might cause you that discomfort again. But can you tell us what happened that day almost twenty years ago? Yeah, I was a senior in high school about to graduate. I was just getting ready to play basketball at a junior college. So kind of felt like my life was on-track and said goodbye to my basketball, coach, Dave Sanders. He's the one that passed away went to few classes and came down for lunch. And that's when the shooting started. I luckily, I saw my coach, and he kind of told us to get away from the windows. You know, Columbine started outside all of you could hear it this outside, and he told you to get away from we told us to get away from the windows and get down. He he essentially saved my life saved hundreds of kids lives that that day thousands of kids lives as soon as.
"columbine" Discussed on KFI AM 640
"A hospital gown of course he was taken to the hospital because he was caught less than a mile away from the school yesterday after after gunning down you know former classmates former teachers people at his former school that he got kicked out of you know when he was a student there and then we were told that he went to some sort of a special school where e possibly a reform school where uh he was he was given treatment as well and we're told that he didn't really have a lot of family members that he was a loner didn't have a lot of friends so there there was a lot of red flags here but investigators are still trying to figure out how this kid got a gun how he got an a r fifteen assault rifle how he got all these weapons into a school and why he shot it up can you described the area of uh of parkland inquiry springs role this took place yesterday so when you think of miami you think of what south beach downtown miami very populated areas but this is actually near coral springs its north of miami it is suburban miami it's very quiet out here in fact there's not even a lot of traffic out here which is rare for miami it's you know the school is nearer along road there's not a lot of homes near it it's actually near a big park with a baseball diamonds and it's just more spread out it's it's very much suburban miami so this is this is very surprising for this quiet neighborhood just north of miami were you and i talked yesterday about uh my experience or columbine and when i got on the scene there they had i urge mention handled today that there's likely bodies still in the school that they have moved them yet because investigation and was the same case at at columbine as well they took a very long time to process what turned out to be a very very large crime scene is that the case today with the with the school yeah this is very spread out.
"columbine" Discussed on BizTalk Radio
"Of them came from the united states it was from sweden in from canada velu they had a bullying problem we were still fighting in losing the war on drugs right soul great i mean no disrespect to this but you'll nancy reagan her just say no of emma i had a program called why signal because of an threat just signal was enough i we were nearing the 21st century we need to know why we should say no to drugs goal threat but that was still we were constantly behind the eightball on that one and so he's recruiting this program that we were scheduled thoroughly launch in june of a maximum unite your have it in may of next you any nine columbine high school so to angst before we were stripped its lawrence for our assembly columbine high school took place and i called up the gentleman in kansas of we we can't launch this programme of the country's just raw in russia's we have two we have to those people need to hear people leave no what's going on still a leader of the program in i wore to deconstruct king us if you will because that's what happens in harm somebody comes ayman does these mass shootings released terrorist things is designed for one thing a one thing only and that is two of purposely disrupt tanturli disrupt eminem enclosed chaos right but if we can bring it home carry arms in figure out what to do as it unfolds maybe just maybe we can resume work you do a direction that might help i relatively crazy right now but as in the next gas that's coming up up yours a clinical psychologist ranks in maybe there's the way that we can see some of these signs in the workplace that young people work with these people every day merely there's something that we can see that people can help absolutely others there's a lot to it uh way more than just taking guns over the hands of the people who yet luckily have them there's a lot to us cash alive folks we will be back right after these messages in hogan air remer this is the experience froze radio network for the archives this broadcast never russia's do we do just to go experience froze dot com click on the radio button and they're they are back after this you're listening to the experience growth radio shell america's home positive business thought.
"columbine" Discussed on Inside the Hive with Nick Bilton
"Deeply mentally ill and i'm talking about out of touch with reality and these are usually schizophrenia sometimes paranoid schizophrenia are different variations but really whether touring voices are just not really in touch with reality um and you get people like virginia tech gaby gifford actually the sevennation of reagan that guy hinckley they actually out now because he's under treatment um so that's step number two and a third which is by far the least common if echo path um and they'll genuine singleness yes genuine psychopath have no empathy um and that you know with eric harris from columbine with that type dylan klebold from columbine was the anger depressive number by the way so in this case we don't we don't know whether this person fits in at you know by the way than there are some other out wires or sometimes brain tumor for other actual physical uh brain or organic problem can can lead to situations very very rare um anyway the three you know it's way too early to tell but i kinda surprised that i've been hearing more and more um expertly fbi profile irs advanced the possibility that this may well have been a psychopath now i wanted to say that that one possibility and one thing that we should be exploring this rare rather rare and this person is showing some you know put some bits of that so that's a thing to explore what use birth add foods highly unlikely that be in that one but this time with like okay that's that should be in the mix of something that we're thinking about.
"columbine" Discussed on Guard the Guardians
"I needed got number one. Got got my assignment the month before Columbine. So it was like here's the here's your introduction to the bomb squad. Yeah. You know, what a law enforcement changing event going forward from there, you know? And we do actually have listeners in over fifty countries. So talked to us a little bit more. Explain a little bit more about what the combine event. Actually was really the Columbine event. Changed all of law enforcement of the there was no such thing as active shooter doctrine. There was no such thing as bomb squad swat integration. You know? It was it was a the used to be surrounding call out in an act in a in a shooting. So that was what it started out as really those guys changed all the rules. I mean there were so many good things that came out of it as far as integration with while squad swat tactical EMS that type of thing me. For the tragedy that it was. There were many good things that came out of it. And again, a lot of people are outside the United States in don't even know what the tragedy is in the first place Moga. So what's the basic framework of Columbine? What what happened basically to Judd's under the premise that? They were getting bullied decided that they were gonna go make their Mark shoot up. Columbine is school. They had ninety nine I e D's, and they they killed the killed a lot of people killed several kids kill the teacher mental timidly killed themselves. Yeah. And for those who are listening. You heard John mentioned, I e d improvised explosive device in obviously this topic is near and dear to my heart because I am also or was explosive ordinance disposal. And so the part of why I wanted him on the show is for him to be able to talk about how the explosive ordnance disposal. World works inside the confines of the United States specifically. But you know, with potential parallels to other, quote, unquote, civilized nations, I guess who could he's that term..