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Ryan Ferguson Wrongfully Convicted of Murder - 504
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So anyways I just wanted to thank you so much for all that you have blessed my life with and I hope you have an amazing day and you are the bomb dot com Yo. Hey thanks so much for joining me today. On this edition of the Shalini show today. I want to play for you an an interview. I did with Ryan Ferguson. Several years ago. And the reason why I want you to hear this interview today is because. His documentary is on net afflicts right now and I want you to watch it. Maybe you heard this episode this interview with Ryan in the past and if you did you definitely have to watch the documentary if you didn't. I want you to listen to this episode and then go watch the documentary because just GonNa be fascinating when I had this opportunity to interview Ryan. I decided silence. I wanted to take a little different. Take on it if you will. Oh by the way the documentaries called dream slash killer okay and the story is fascinating. I'm going to get into that in just a moment and I could have dug into the crime part of it but I think it's really cool. Isn't I didn't do that and you're going to get that in in the documentary instead. What I chose to do was tap into what it was he did to number one changes mindset to get through the toughest thing like I could ever possibly imagine how to get himself out of depression on his own while he was still in the darkest worst situation of his life life? He made a decision and he took actions that got him out of depression that helped him to transform his body transforms mind and also transform his life. So that's why we talk about in this episode but I still want you to watch the documentary because what we really don't talk much about in this episode is the crime he was accused of so so. I'm going to start this episode by sharing with you. The background the story behind the story. Welcome to the Shalini. Show SELENA's a New York Times bestselling author celebrity fitness trainer. Obsessed with helping. You live your life. I want you to imagine this. We've all got that one friend or acquaintance who tells wild tales to say they. Exaggerate is the ultimate understatement. So one night you and his friend find yourselves at the same party or bar a restaurant distraught. And the next morning you wake to read an article in the paper about a brutal murder and you remember it stands out because well it was right around the corner. You're from where you were with this friend just the night before and this isn't a close friend it's really more of an acquaintance and and you know them to be just a little unstable able but you're a nice person and they just happened to be in your circle of friends now. Imagine a year passes two years pass and that individual goes to the police to tell them that they're having dreamlike memories of that night and that these dreamlike memories have led them to believe that they hey and you committed that heinous murder. Can you imagine being accused of the most brutal murder accused accused by a friend. Who said you were there and in fact you are the person who ultimately killed the victim the scenario may he actually sound familiar to those of you who followed the wildly popular? podcast cereal. You can still find it on I tunes in those riveting. cliff-hanging episodes pass odes. The podcast follows the story of a high school student convicted of murdering his ex girlfriend. He was implicated by an acquaintance tints and acquaintance. WHO said the two of them did this together? And many believe to this day that Adnan Siad says imprison an innocent man. Statistics Piston show that between three to five percent of those sitting in prison. Today have been wrongly convicted. There are many experts. Believe vet number is far higher than what we realize Ryan. Ferguson was nineteen years old happy. Outgoing fun loving and a first year college student when this crazy nightmare became he came his reality October. Thirty first. Two thousand one Ryan Ferguson was a seventeen year old junior in high school. It was is Halloween. Kids were partying dressed. Up In costumes Ryan was hanging out with a casual acquaintance. Chuck Ericsson that same night. A murder occurred. A 48-year-old sports editor was brutally murdered in the parking lot of the Columbia Daily Tribune. The murder mystery dominated news coverage for weeks to come nearly two years later that casual acquaintance. Chuck Erickson started telling people that he was having dreamlike memories of that murder and in some way he must have been involved eventually. He went to the police. Police brought Eriksen in for questioning. Here's Ryan Ferguson's father describing and that I encounter with the police as soon as Java question implicated Ryan as the person is with at night and so the police are called the city police and headline arrested. He was going to college. It was arrested by SWAT team. Police their shares. The is looking lethal. Good Ryan recalled going in for questioning and thinking to himself. How absurd this was our? After hours of Interrogation Ryan maintained his innocence. His story never changed changed in fact when detectives suggested that they might have his fingerprints at the scene. A technique often used to elicit crimes in confessions Ryan Ryan replied great. Take my fingerprints so I can be free and go home to study for my exams. I didn't do this. I wasn't even there. The case went to trial on the night of the murder. Chuck Ericsson admits that he was high on cocaine adderall. An alcohol net the following day. He had no memory. Murray of Halloween night yet. It was his testimony that was accepted in exchange for a plea deal for the conviction of Ryan Ferguson. Though no hair blood or fingerprint samples could be collected at the crime scene. which were consistent with Ferguson or Erickson for that matter without any traces of the victim's blood found anywhere aware related to Ryan Ferguson or Chuck Ericsson on the night of the murder based solely on the plea deal testimony offered by high school acquaintance? Chuck Eriksson guilty of murder in the second degree. Nineteen Year Old Ryan Ferguson. was convicted acted of second degree murder and robbery and sent away to live the next forty years in prison but Ryan never lost hope and neither did his friends NHS or family who fought tirelessly to prove his innocence and had his conviction overturned and eventually that highschool acquaintance came forward and told authorities. He had lied. Things happen much differently than I had previously stated our great now that I couldn't innocent man that in two thousand and Twelve Ryan was granted a new trial Chuck Erickson took the stand and admitted under growth that he had lied alive checks. And then the janitor the only other witness to implicate Ryan took the stand a convicted sex offender. He admitted that he too had lied. Under Oath Jerry Trump explained that he had been pressured by authorities to implicate. Okay two young men. He was shown in photograph by police. Detectives in this audio clip. You can hear trump asking for Ryan's forgiveness. Forgive with zero physical evidence and the recanted testimony of the only two witnesses. The judge upheld old the conviction in Ryan remained in prison. He kept his hope his spirit and his body strong by turning to fitness in developing a fitness regimen. That allowed him to cope both mentally and physically with his reality and finally in two thousand thirteen. A Missouri Appeals Court overturned the conviction conviction. The court explained that the conviction was overturned due to the following quote. Newly discovered. Evidence that clearly. And convincingly establishes establishes that he is actually innocent after spending ten years in prison for a crime. He never committed Ryan. Ferguson was a freeman today. I've invited Ryan to be my guest. I WANNA know. What does it take to have that kind of hope? How do you get through something like that? You may never go to prison. All of us have had moments moments of despair moments when it feels like. There's no end in sight whether it's being held captive by our own thoughts a loveless marriage depression anxiety or circumstances that sometimes feel hopeless Ryan credits. It's his survival to his optimism as attitude using education to make himself stronger faster and smarter in spite of his circumstances. Ladies Ladies and gentlemen it is my honor to introduce to you the author of stronger. Faster Smarter Ryan Ferguson. Can we start all the way back in those early days when you were first incarcerated. Did you feel like I'm going to be here for a long time or were you thinking this is a crazy nightmare. There's no way I'm going to be here for long. Initially I kinda ignorance be my guide because I really thought I believe in our legal system. I thought they're gonNA look at the evidence we're GonNa try to do. What's right and they're going to open these doors any minute now when they when they tested when they do whatever they have to do? They started investigating this case as they're going to open the doors. Let me go. I literally sat there with my bag. Ready to go every day in those doors. Just never open like how long like literally review weeks months months. I mean I remember spring break. I remember sitting there and thinking about my friends. And they're all going like the the ozarks and thinking all right. They're gonNA come. They're gonNA come. Let me out you know. I shouldn't be here and you know. There's there's evidence is coming in. That's proving my innocence. Anna nuts two weeks into it. And then I remember instances six months into it in the same situation the same feeling it. Just if I didn't think it was is going to happen. I would have gone crazy but that hope yeah it was Looking back at it it's almost like ignorance. Truly was bliss is it. Ignorance surged optimism. I think it's both The sad thing is it is ignorance because our legal system doesn't operate the way that we believe it does. Yeah a lot of people you know. My family didn't know that I didn't know that People who are in the legal system and dealing with the same time whether they're are guilty or innocent they don't know that it's just a it's one of those stories where if you haven't experienced it first hand you'll never know exactly how it functions and that's really scary. How do I tie in the topic of your Bra? 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Wow I mean reality is that each appeal is GonNa take a year so I mean they would deny one appeal and I would. I would tell myself a new reality. Saudi like the next year and a half of my life. It's gone there's no way I can. I can have my freedom so twenty five like you know until I'm twenty seven Kevin. I'M NOT GONNA be free basically and what did what did that feel like. It's it's such a lonely feeling Even even with your family there and I had the most amazing family the most support a person could have had forty eight hours dateline out. There were actually putting the FACS ax out to the public. So the public could see the reality that I was innocent and even then it was just like I was completely alone You know I had hoped but it was. It was pretty hopeless. If that makes any sense what was your personality like how would you describe yourself before. This happened I was very outgoing. I mean I was just love to meet people and get out. I was always I was always kind of I wasn't isn't type. Age Is really loud obnoxious but I was always out in front people knew I was there I was meeting. People have fun and I just enjoyed enjoyed every day. I enjoyed alive. You ever did you ever struggle with being sad or Did you ever have down days or would you describe yourself. His generally optimistic. Happy before this happened. I was definitely optimistic. I I I I had never experienced. I think that's what made prison even more difficult difficult. Does that before. Going to prison is such a good life. You know an amazing upbringing a Better I never experienced any any type of pain or difficulty really and I had never experienced depression withdraw prison. Prison can do that too no matter how strong you are. Thank you for admitting that and sharing that because you know I mean to think of someone in the situation into envision them being optimistic and holding coming out hope and and trying to be happy person throughout it is. It's difficult to wrap your head around so to to share honestly. That depression was something that you suffered from. Do you remember actually thinking yourself okay. I'm depressed and I'm not familiar with this feeling I do. I do remember remember having to to face it head on in know like waking up in the days in not wanting to do anything not wanting to get out of bed not wanting to eat not wanting to Jeevan go outside in cherished going outside because they didn't let me go outside for a whole year So it's just. I realized that I can't live my life. I five this on I if I do I will never prove my innocence. They will have one and just will not be served. It took a while. Renominated it and that's the thing I think with people who were dealing with these things. They think it's going to have to change immediately and it doesn't you know you just start doing something different every every day something new start challenging yourself. Start digging yourself up every day so you know I would. I'd get up and I would just go outside and walk. I wouldn't say exercise do anything but I would make myself go out. Oh you know. Why did they go outside the first year? That's a great question. I love it because the reality is that also also the reality that I didn't understand nobody did at the time that the county jail where you're innocent until proven guilty is actually far worse than prison so in prison. I like you that that's not what I think. The perception is so explained to us. Why why's county jail worse than prison? Right Not is not the perception the thing is in the fundamentals. I guess is on in prison. You can basically go outside every day You have to go outside outside the Walker the Chow Hall to get food recreation. Jeb visits people who WanNa come see you can you can hug them. Then come once a week twice a week maybe You can talk to them for four hours. You get better food. You can buy things armour phone time. That's prison in the county jail. You would have one one visit for forty five minutes every week behind glass on a phone. You can't buy an extra food or basically starving. The lights are always on You you you'd never go outside essentially for my first year. I literally stepped foot outside two times. My Gosh two times times in a whole entire year for your health it is. I still had skin damage from it. and then what are those mentally I I mean. I'm glad I can't see those those cars but I'm working on every day are you I am you know and I have you done therapy. I haven't I'm hoping in the future feature to be able to take advantage of that opportunity Difficult getting to that point. But I know I need needed And I will certainly be going to it. I think I think that It's it's a big part of live is just growing and accepting the reality that we've had glad and if I need to go there to go to therapy and that's that's fine because We all deal with different things and I think we should take advantage of every opportunity we can to help ourselves. Well only super cool smart people go to therapy so I think you should go. I Concur Ryan. So you're you get to this point where you are depressed. You don't WanNa get out of bed you're reality has set in this cut you open normally. You're an optimistic happy outgoing going person and you probably don't even feel like you're the same individual. Where do you find inspiration to say okay? I've gotTA pull myself out of this state of mind and make some changes. What was the inspiration? I think that's a great question. I'm I'm not sure you know it was just I believed in myself and I. I believe that I was better than what had happened to him. You know I I was choosing to be that was hang on. I gotTA write that down. I was is better than what happened to me. Aw tweet that lifers I in fact I always say this. I am better than what happened to me are owned by the lab this in the all right and that's a story of live and so you're you're thinking that and you know you've got this supportive family around you but the reality set in and can I ask. I mean you go into prison young you. You don't have a criminal background. You don't know how to manipulate the system you don't I know how to survive. I would assume around these dudes. What was that like? That was inexperienced to say the least there was a big learning curve. Their big learning curve and I ran into a lot of roadblocks. There's there's no doubt about it. What was the one when when I ask you about the first time you realize like holy cow? I am not in Kansas anymore. What was that moment? Describe it for us. It was an instance where are basically a guy wanted to be very disrespectful to everyone wouldn't let people sleep and I kinda stood up to that and I was put my place by multiple people We'll wait a second. You gotta give me more detail. So what does this is. He like clanking as he taken a can and going up like where does that mean. He's not he's being disrespectful. Yeah I it it actually happened to be with a TV on which caused the majority of problems in the county jail. Because you're locked in this cage is just this cage essentially center blog box with One to seven other people and and you have to respect each other's boundaries. Now and this guy would wake up at six o'clock in the morning turn on the TV and most people who did that would go and sit close to the the TV and turn it down so could sleep. This guy would turn it on. Turn it all the way up. Walk back into his cell which is in essentially another room and try to watch it from there. You know so in being in the world that I'm from you know it's like hey man can you please you know not do that. Turn it down a little bit. Ed set up close to the TV. Like everyone else is now or will they know I'm not going to be disrespect like that because that makes me look bad in prison and I can't sleep so there's multiple reasons here and so you know I chose not to accept that and I wouldn't turn on the TV multiple times and the reality that came my way. courtly thereafter Was Not Nice work yeah nine it was You know because they have they're buddies. They have their groups in. I mean they feel empowered by groups groups of people generally feel empowered to do things that are appropriate message. You took away from that. From that experience you formed message in your head that said what it said in in prison specifically unfortunately that there are what is that. You're not gonna be able to control. Wow right wrong or indifferent and you need to learn to accept certain things so it's kind of like that whole thing you know learning what you cannot change change what you can and the wisdom of the difference. I didn't know that saying but I learned very quickly. The song that's the scary thing is a lot of people go into these situations it might be in prison. Might be at work. Might be wherever. And they don't learn these things and that's a I finding a Lotta complications and problems in life. So so you said you weren't working out in. The food was terrible. So what did you fiscal condition start to become I was. I was very small for prison. I started to. I mean I was about one sixty at that point. I just didn't care about Kelly Cello. You five eight five nine two one sixty and before you went in. Were you physically active. Refit was health. Part of your daily regimen. I actually started working out with weights. nineteen I was in college. Does something that I was interested in. I started I have one one of those fortunate bodies that Momentum Morph I see results relatively quickly saw that was good. I didn't I didn't ever get to put on size or whatever month but before that always played sports I played tennis in high school quite a basketball and soccer all my whole life so it's always very physically active and then to be put in this cage In not being able to do anything was very difficult. The title of my book came up Stronger FEIS restore. Because is my father told me in the first week there and then I actually started soon. Thereafter was John. I can't do anything for you while you're in there in the context of me being there to help you I can help you. Here is that you've got to do everything you can to make yourself stronger faster and smarter. And so. That's that's exactly what I did so I started developing my own workout routine because I was young. I was skinny and I had to get bigger if I wanted to survive so so. Tell me what that meant. Did you have time you go to the gym do you. Are you talking about working out in your cellblock. Do you have a cellmate. Described until actually take me all the way back to like the first day you said at first you just started walking. When did it become a physical pursuit? So this was the physical pursuit actually started immediately. Once told me that in the first week I started doing say that I'm sorry just to have vacation so you spend a year in county jail. Okay then when you say You immediately. You're saying immediately after you're in prison that's when you took on this mentality where your dad said. Listen listen you've got to do this. I can't help you. GotTa you gotTa make yourself smarter and stronger and you've got you've got to do this so you're talking about when you're now you're in prison. Nah Now I guess it is Kinda confused. There's a lot of time there so it I started My father told me this and I started working out literally a week after I got arrested in the county jail while Okay and then the harder times so I mean it was very difficult in the county jail I had some serious breakdowns. I don't think I understood my own feelings at the time. Nineteen Yeah and so when when we talk about the depression I mean not working out and just kind of not being the function in life that was actually after my first year in prison and so then I had to basically start a new okay phases. Yeah and I could. You know at at that point I I was able to except my own feelings and I think in the jaws just I was oblivious to you know I was a kid and I was waivers to what was actually happening to me. I was just trying to survive once. You're in touch with your feelings in your realizing now that you've got to do something then your exercise I assume Becomes part of your your therapy part of your healing. Not just not just a practical way to survive. But it's is it more than that it it is everything everything it it becomes essentially my existence at that point because You know when you when you're going to the gym. Obviously it has has psychological benefits. It's making you feel better about yourself. You're looking better and then the people around you They see what you're doing and they see that you're we're getting stronger than they are faster. They are getting bigger than they are. And people respect you for that so in prison it became one of basically one of my main identities. I I tutored people as well so I was known as. Yeah but it was. I was this kid who was young and I was bigger and stronger than most guys in there and they. Can you tell us. Tell us about your regimen. Well I did it number one Through education because I realized early on on that Doing Bench Press and going into the gym and acting like doing reading anything. I wasn't seeing the results. I wanted to that because I I'm such a fan of starting with education like whether it's nutrition or your personal development or your business development improving your relationships like start start with education because it's such a confidence builder and like once you know like education tells you why do something as opposed to saying. Here are the rules. I must follow. And if you're if you're curious person they don't feel like rules then you're like oh well. I'm a logical person so logically because of what I've just learned learned. This is what I'm going to do. So you start with education. And how do you do that in this environment. Are you able to go to the library. Can you go online. I cannot go online You know at this point I never I mean it's two thousand two thousand six maybe seven. I'd never even seen ipod and I'd been online and years is just really. I read every book I get my hands on. Some people have hand-me-down. Somehow though labral had a few things I would get muscle and fitness magazine. Men's health magazine so I literally read. I mean even Time magazine articles so I read everything I could possibly get my hands on Um and I was people you know. And that's the reality of a lazy person but I will. How do you get in shape if you're lazy because I understand what I'm doing because I've educated myself? I understand what I'm doing. I can go to the gym and get more done in less time than most people and the results in this because I was lazy enough to educate myself ethics and he said well I think that we you know. I think I would have to challenge inch the term lazy but it for you anyways but So so are you. Do they have a gym. They're like can you go to a gym or are you working out in your cell. Wow so in prison. They have a gym in the county jail. No so In the beginning in the county jail I did push ups pull loves and that's where my no excuses attitude comes from. I had access to nothing that would help you get in shape. I was doing curls with a coffee jug and a bag wrapped around it to hold it and I was doing pull ups on graded stairs. I'd use toilet paper. Wrap it up so I could actually hold onto onto it. Otherwise the grading it would hurt my hands and united pushups Dips off of a wall arm. That was like a half wall. You so you just gotta get creative and the reality is that you don't have to have the things you think you need. You just put in the work with what you have in the time that you have and you're GONNA see results. That's so true and I'm glad you said that because so many people will say oh. I can't afford to join the gym or I would love to work out but I can't afford your DVD's and here you are. I mean to be that resourceful is is really pretty phenomenal. Did you start to see changes in your body. Then I did I did. I started putting on lean muscle. Mass say lean because there's no wagon had gotten any bigger with the food. Do this. Hey gave us and the nutrient deficiency in the coury deficiency. How did you get that? It was difficult I mean I literally I I mean I'd be trading people nutty bars. You can buy nutty bars or honey bonds which you know there are healthy and you can't get them anyways. So I'd trade people those things for milk oke or for apples or for anything that had any type of nutritional content to it so how how getting healthy lean protein. I wasn't wow. Oh Wow wow okay. So that's really interesting. So you're not drinking protein shakes. You're not taking supplements. You're not eating Paleo Year just making the most of your situation absolutely and what what is your bodies. Were you able to transform your body even with that limited nutritional resource. I was in this thing is. It'll take you so far. It's a good start in. I think for a lot of people who especially people who are not currently the active It'll take very far Obviously if they have access to better resources use them by all means but the reality is you don't have to have them Specially starting in. What's really funny is I was actually in a hotel about a month ago and I walk into the gym in. There's electrical machine in like two Sudan Bells. I'm thinking what the heck is this like. I can't work out. I'm just not going to do anything today. You you thought that I thought I caught myself often like wait a minute. What the heck am I thinking here so I just I took myself outside and it was a little chilly up north thought to myself outside i? I started doing pushups. I started doing. Sprints I started making my own routine and and I got a really good workout. I hit it for about forty minutes and end got. I got a better workout than might have gotten in the regular gym so at the peak of your on performance while you're in prison. Can you describe fresh you routine. Yeah absolutely It was it was built around the six moves in six moves that I put my book. their compound moves squats and Daedalus bench oppressing shoulder press. Hang on. We're going to go slower take note so squats squads Daedalus okay been over rose then pull ups okay. Shoulder press in bench brass so I believe in multiple joint moves. Obviously there would be better ones. I didn't have free weights. Sides Ed Smith machine so I I was somewhat limited. But as you know and I'm sure a lot of our Your listeners now that if you're doing compound moves you'RE GONNA you're gonNA work more muscles in a shorter period of time. You're going to boost your metabolism afterwards. So for the most of us I think if we stick to those six moves Does a little bit of cardio and we're not wasting our time with smaller moves in the gym you know like curls and things of this nature crunches men were actually. You're going to see results a lot quicker and we're GONNA be happier with our success which is gonNa make us WanNa do more and it's going to it's going to bring reward so that's why I've stuck to those I kept seeing gains. What about cardio now we doing? Cardio we're doing sprints what we're doing for your cardiovascular conditioning cardiovascular. I wasn't doing much really yeah I I don't. I've never been much much of a cardiovascular person so I mean I played basketball. I played some ultimate Frisbee later on which actually was really helpful but at the time it was It was just about getting big because I was a little guy in prison. And Cardio actually would detract. From what my goals were I see. And how much time did they give you each day to exercise. So you'll actually end up missing exercise periods because because they'll shut the yard dogs. There was a fide or guest avenue. Who knows what happened Never know so barring that you would technically get Three to four days in the gym for about an hour every week so For workout sessions in maybe three depending on the week and also was split with Do you WANNA get your shower. Because if you didn't shower at that particular time than you would have wait for hours completely soaked and sweat in your room so for me. It was. I had to work out. It felt good. It helped me move forward word. It protected me so I would I would use the whole hour hour and a half If we had that much in our comeback in skip the shower until four hours later the sit there completely soaked Stinky in waiting to sit down on my bed or anything. I'd sit on the floor every day. Like I'm sitting here right you. You saw me just voiceover recording I. I'm sitting here. I skipped my shower today to her. Well I guess it's good to have that choice right. I okay okay fine all right. Let me ask you a question on the days that you weren't you didn't have access to the gym where you're working out in Yoursel- I did. Yeah Yeah I would. I would do push ups squats. I did a lot of stretching I didn't know about Soft mouth is released like have done it anyways But yeah I I just basically everything I could to develop a healthy body all around and what percentage of that was for your mental wellbeing Knowingly or unknown now in retrospect in retrospect I'd say at least seventy percent right eight and I think even now even now when I got out You know I was having a lot of difficulties trying to figure out what to do where my passion was. Oughta people telling me different things I should do my life and then in the book got picked up in on. They're going to publish it and I'm like well I gotta be in shape to publish a book competitive so I can't you know and I got back in the gym and I realize this is where is where I belong. Like part of my life belongs in the gym although I have other passions helping people hoping to change laws in the gym. That's a huge part of my life. That's what keeps me happy. It does it. That's I mean that's why sixty percent of my life right now. My own mental wellbeing. So did you go through a period of time kind of after the honeymoon like after you get out of prison where you felt sad or Like like it was just difficult adjustment. I'm still there her on. Yeah yeah what's the hardest part about being out like I think probably ever thinks that you should just be happy and grateful every day but I assume there's a part of you that just still says why me you know so there's two parts that I the hardest part is just not knowing why I feel this way Because I work really hard and prison to to. I mean I educated myself I stayed healthy. I you know I wanted to have a better quality of life for a very sustained period of time so I did everything I could. So that the DAG out out I would be out happy successful. Move forward and even with all that in all the help. I had help what I did for myself. I still can't didn't find the answers that I'm needing looking for this question you have. It's just a it's why not finding the level of Piece the I guess that That I thought would have come by now and you know it's been a year and a half so I'm not I'm not It's baffling to me. I don't like being baffled. How much When you say that that level of peace do you feel like they're incidents that leave you restless when you think back on them or do you mean the experience as a whole like? Why did this happen or do you mean like just the things that you saw the things that you had to you get through? I think the thing is that I that I experienced the way that I that I view of humanity and just knowing that these people did did this to me they know innocent They still even with the evidence in everybody in the nation being able to see that I was wrongfully convicted Still trying to fight against my freedom and knowing that they're doing that to so many other people right now in that considered to be okay. I think that's what's really holding me. Down is the fact that you know. Conservative estimates say that three to five percent of people in American prisons around convicted and have to write that down three to five percent of people in American. Prisons are wrongfully convicted right now. And that's a very conservative estimate shuts places us at a minimum of forty thousand people who are in the same situation I was incarcerated for some had nothing to do with and I can't get get over that I can't get over the fact that nothing's happening to the people who are putting them there because that's you it is you know and In in the scary everything is that it could be you or your friends so through my son my son's eighteen so I read your story. I'm like I just I can't imagine what he you would feel. I can't imagine when I would feel like that. It was a very moving story and then I think I think the most moving stories the ones that touch us in a way that you know we realized this could easily be our reality in a scary but the reality To on top of that is that we can see these injustices. We could see what's happening and we can make change. And you said the reason why I feel feel like this is you said quote. I wrote it down holding me. Down is because and then you cited that statistic but isn't isn't a better way to state that that this this is the thing that's pushing you forward it's both it's both and I think I think I think it's you know you can be applied to fitness as well as a lot of people they want. They want those instant results. They WANNA see. Everybody go home. I don't I want US accountable for their actions Both the people who commit crimes and the people who commit other crimes to put wrongfully convicted people in prison Just like people WANNA see they WanNa go to gym do a bench present. Have a beautiful chest chest It's not it's not. It doesn't work that way. And so I'm I'm working with that reality and I don't know why it's just. I'm not good with that so I'm GonNa keep doing everything I can to change things but I've got to accept the fact that it's GonNa take time. It's GonNa take a lot of awareness a lot of people out of legislation legislation. So it's it's what we tell ourselves right in. My perspective is just off. I have to be more patient nation. Which is one of my best things in live? Well and and how long have you been free. I've been free for about a year. Now all we will get back to the super interesting story in just a moment but can you imagine not having the creature comforts of home let alone no a clear understanding of when you're going to be released like all of the little things that we take for granted I've never been to jail. Never Been Prison. But I've definitely slept on some really really uncomfortable beds even really nice hotels because I think sometimes people invest a ton of money in a mattress and they think therefore because we spent a ton of money on it. It's going to be a great mattress but they all break down eventually. The exception to that is the sleep number bed. Which is why one of the mattresses in our home is seventeen? Nineteen and a half years old because it's a sleep number bed. I believe in the sleep number bed. That's why they are a proud sponsor of the selene show again. You know I get offers all the time for people who want to be a sponsor for the show but it has to be something I actually love and believe in and that's changed my life and sleepnumber meets that criteria. We all know asleep is really important and you know how important is in order to be healthy. What's been the toughest time three you? Oh career and I don't know it comes and goes early. I'm not one of those people that has specific moments is the walls in in for me. It's you know I have no excuses attitude towards life and if I feel that way it's about analyzing myself in trying to figure and why is that I feel that way and I think it's anytime I'm kind of relaxing too much. Not Moving forward not trying the help other people not trying to exposes injustice. That's when I started to feel really down. Hey that's a great point I think for everyone and I did a podcast recently. Only about how to how to be instantly happy. And you just can't be down when you're helping someone. It's it's almost impossible unless you're helping the move because that sucks but her other than that when you're helping people it just it feels so good you know. And that's that's a great tip. I think for everyone which it's interesting because can you. Do you got in prison or were you just I guess you were you. Were helping other people find fitness as their therapy in my right. Absolutely I mean I tutored I I volunteered to people to get their ged I help with math specifically. That meant a lot to me. It helped educate myself. It wasn't wasn't purely altruistic than I got something out of it but I was able to help these guys get their education and see their happiness and then at the same time. I helped a lot the people in the gym which felt really good as well. And so as kind of how I came to be known in prison. Guy Obviously took care of himself. And we'll to help you out and whatever your your goals were so that it's a big part of life and if you're taking care of yourself and you're you're helping other people to whatever capacity you can. I think you'll find happiness in every time I move away from one or either of those I realize that I'm not in balance cash. She's just so simple and that's why I think your book is so important. I hope that I hope that my lifers will hear how important this is for you. This is your purpose. This is is your mission and your book stronger. Faster smarter encompasses all of these messages. But I just want people to know that it's so much more than fitness. There's so much good would to be done with Your Life Ryan and I want to be there for you. I four. We started the call. I said I have some ideas for you but I really do. I think sometimes it's difficult to understand why things happen but in our struggles in getting through things we often find. Our lives are life's purpose and I think you have. I hope that people will support. Support you by going to your website Ryan. Ferguson fitness will link to it in my show notes as well as on the website and and then can they buy the book from your website or do they need to go to Amazon. It'll Lincoln Amazon. So you can go to the website and go to Amazon and go to Barnes and noble. Should it should be wherever you are so stronger faster smarter and if we were wondering if we felt compelled to help an organization that can actually bring funding awareness to those families who are fighting to get their their own loved ones out of prison being wrongly accused What Organization nations are you most support of the innocence project for sure? There's a lot of local innocence projects. So you can. You can support your local one. Stay wise if you want Ryan you are. You're awesome I. I just want to celebrate you for for just being so honest with us today in sharing your message and for finding your purpose in helping other families other victims other people find justice in a system. That isn't always doesn't always operate as we wish it. Loyd thank you so much I mean if it's just it's an honor to be here and speaking with you and and then being able to help other people spreading awareness Thank you all right lifers. Don't forget to go and watch the documentary now. On netflix is called dream slash killer. It's going to be fascinating to you because you've got to hear the other side of Brian. I know you're GONNA love it. Thank you so much as always for leaving your reviews for subscribing to the show. And letting me know you'd listen I love you. I mean it and I'll talk to you soon.
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Because i knew beating the victim with a tire i could not accept in my conscious mind. I was the sole perpetrator an aggressor. So i put a lot of the blame on ryan. I don't. I don't think that much of much of it was even consciously on. It was just too hard to admit to myself and others that i'd kill someone. I cannot even accept the possibility of it. We'd never done robbery before. We never did them after. We broke a lot of stuff which is probably what we had in mind when we left the club. I believe that. I flipped out. Committed the entire. Act alone with little forethought. I remember feeling psychotic giddy. That's understandable. i did not tell ryan what i was going to do. He had no idea that. I would act in such an aggressive manner. I don't remember how much how much of it he was there for. He could not stop. He cannot stop me. Try it at the end. If he had wanted to stop me before and during much of the act on his arm with a tire tool ryan did not say come on. Let's get this over with. While the stalking victim. He was actually pleading. Come on. let's go. He did not wanna porton it again. I turned around. Because i did not want to accept the responsibility of the sole perpetrator. I strangled ken idol to that. I did not remember this until the police is strangled. With when i said that's fucked up after. They told me what he was strangled with. I just remember doing it. I then denied remembering it. Allied right there. That was the first blatant lie. It was then that i knew i had done it. I was worried about survival. It was too hard to throw away my entire life and put my head on a quote the chopping block see. See the video the interrogation for that. I tried telling the police that i might have strangled victim. One of the officers stopped me. He got mad. He did not want to hear that. I might have done it again. See the video before. I knew i done it. I constantly assumed it was ryan because it was too hard to accept that i might have done it. I made up. What i said about ryan being on top of the victim. I lied about him strangling the victims to everyone from nick. Gilpin to the jury on a subconscious level. Always known that i did. That is a part of me that i have accepted. I enjoyed doing it at the time. I was in a lot of pain and felt the need to take it out on someone else. There was something wrong. I mean. I regret now that i put an innocent man through that he didn't deserve it. I don't lose sleep over it. Though it's more that i feel it was sort of violation. He had had he been my enemy. I wouldn't regret it except for the prison time that came with at the proper about ripping the belt off pushing ryan off the victim and leaving the scene with the belt. I made this up after. I read dallas. Mallory statement that he'd seen me with something in my hand there are also two on on identified witnesses in the car who have seen me with the belp i had had excuse for having developed in case it came up later ryan was actually the one who pushed me off of the victim. He probably wouldn't have been successful except that. The belt broke at the same time. My original story did make sense. I don't know why the police didn't question. Why would i stop beating the victim. Snap out of my rage and then ryan strangling. I beat the victim. Can't hide hold until he was on the ground. The i took his belt often strangled them with at first. I said that. I thought i had thrown up at the scene. I did there but it was later. I'm not sure where maybe at the osco a or jewel. Whatever it was maybe an apartment. While i'm not sure saying that. I thought i got sick at the scene was convenient because it removed me from the situation. I said i was sitting on the curb feeling nauseous in between the time that i stopped beating the victim and i pushed ryan off of ken. Heidel that was a lie. Ryan never touched the victim. I lied about remembering taking items from the victim. Though i believe i did that was all functions and trying to pass by the police and prosecutors. I lied about putting things in a bag and riots car. I didn't remember that. I believe that when ryan took the money out of his wallet and we're out of his own wallet and we're back at the bar and said how pointless my act were. He meant just that he was asking why i done it. How could he forgotten about money in his wallet. I'm not sure that i remember him saying that. He had always wanted to kill someone before he turned sixty on the night of the murder. If he did say he may have just been trying to act off the witness stated that the kid with highlights in their hair had told the cleaning lady get help ryan had highlights not me. I can't remember who told the cleaning people to get help. I remember feeling astounded. When i was told by the police actually happened. I still don't know where where i still don't know where that memory came from. What what. We're my out of control statements to christian blankenship and julie done in the parking lot. I don't know that that's something that that i like to know. And they should proud probably be asked about how and finally after the murder. I remember telling ryan that it didn't matter who did what because we were both there. I said this so he would keep his mouth shut. That's it let me ask you just a couple of follow up questions. So are you saying today that you are the sole murderer of can't hide whole script and are you saying that Ryan had no idea when you went to the parking lot where you encountered can hide what you're going to do. Are you saying that there was no plan between the two of you to commit a theory that night. I don't know i don't know. Do you have a recollection of that. I can't remember what we intended to do. I don't know what was the position of mr hyde hole when he was strangled. Use facetime. I want to ask you again. Is it correct that you're the one who declined to have an attorney present today. Which and are you currently on any medication of any type. Not do you feel that. You're making the statement from your memory of the events of what happened that night. I don't have any further square. Joined here in the garage today. By longtime friend of the show maggie freeling. Maggie is the host and producer of the unjust in unsolved podcast. longtime listeners. Of our show will know her from helping us. Out with our shaker heights project as well as her work on the mara murray case as she was featured in oxygen. Tv's documentary the disappearance of mara. Murray thank you for joining us here in the garage today. Maggie least take us through and tell us about your new projects. Hello guys thank you so much for having me Yeah i'm you know. This is really exciting. Because most of the times that we've talked in done stuff together has been about more murray. But this is a complete one eighty. I'm now working on wrongful convictions. You know this project conceived it by we. I mean patrick. Hynes of true crime obsessed about a year ago and we just launched in september. And each week i cover a case of a person that I strongly believe has been wrongfully incarcerated. Am i heard you talking on your podcast about the innocence project. And there's a the rough estimation or the the lowest nation is twenty thousand. Individuals are in prison. That are innocent. Yeah and i would say. That's definitely super low. I mean that's just people that we know of that have petitioned the innocence project. I mean there are so many people that i've even heard from who right to me saying. Hey i'm innocent. But the innocence project won't take my case they only take. Dna cases so they're not gonna take a case that doesn't have some sort of dna evidence so that leaves out so many cases hundreds of thousands of cases. And you know if you listen to my podcast. Most of my cases have not been taken by the innocence project. They're either ballistic cases or accidental baby murders involving choking are falling so these are all cases that are very likely not even in those statistics and a good portion of these wrongfully convicted. Inmates have been convicted based off of false confessions. And we now know from dna evidence that even in dna cases where dna will exonerate the person who has been convicted of the murder twenty five percent of the time with a false confession. The dna proves that it was in fact false that we have put the wrong person in prison and those numbers alone. If you carry that out. Further two cases with no dna you would think roughly twenty five percents going to apply to those cases as well so yes. I think i think the twenty thousand estimate is very conservative. very low and it's amazing how unfortunately yes. These organizations have to prioritize these cases which ones they take on which ones they choose because there are so many of them out there. That's the saddest part. Is you know there. Are these ones that early on in this. I got a couple of letters from a man who had a very sympathetic story. But even for me. It's tough to cover it. Because i'm like. Have you had a private investigator. Have you had any of these things. And he's like his accused him of sexually assaulting her in some form. I don't i didn't really get into too many details with him but there was. There was really no way of proving his innocence. In that sense. And you know there's so many of these out there so it's been tough. It's definitely been tough hearing these stories and so many of them. I can't even cover. Just just because i wouldn't have enough evidence to feel comfortable saying this is a wrongful conviction because you don't want to possibly give a criminal platform now when we started talking about your podcast in general i mean this was probably three years ago at crime con. But you're stating i believe on your show that that charles case was the first case that you actually or the first person you actually made contact with before you started producing your show. Yeah so i reached out to a lot of people. So you know in the intro of show. It says twenty folks which is true. I did reach out to. At least twenty folks sent a snail mail and he knew he wrote back immediately. I mean charles is a incredibly intelligent on the ball person and he just wants people to know about what happened to him which is just so there are no words to even explain what has happened to him and why he still in and so he was. You know one of the first people. First person that i really got to know into this day i would say you know charles is a friend. I've put his episode out. But i hear ahead. You know so advocating for him you know still getting people to listen to his story to listen to his side of the story because to him. That's really the most important. He's been portrayed in the media for so long as this crazy person. Who wrongfully and knowingly put ryan ferguson in prison which is not the story at all so for me it was really important to talk to charles and hear what he has to say will in this story. It involves the unjust convictions of two individuals and therefore leads us to the unsolved murder. And can you take us through the attack and murder of columbia daily tribune. Sports editor can hire holt. So this is the perfect time of year. It is held story because it was halloween night. Two thousand one can height holt For the columbia tribune. this is in columbia missouri. He's leaving work super super late. It's around to ten. Am that. He says goodbye to his colleague in your car and he is later found sometime. You know ten minutes later around two twenty. Am brutally beaten and strangled in the tribune parking lot again. This can't hide hold. He was forty eight years old. He's a family. Man brutally beaten and strangled in the parking lot. He was leaving work but he also like stopped to feed a cat. So that's what. I was reading some of these old papers. He stopped to feed a cat. And that's in so michael boyd. And we'll get to him as you guys know a little bit. He is a colleague. I believe he was also a sports. I think i think ken was his boss. He's the last person to see him alive in the parking lot and they were talking about you know feeding these cats and then according to boy he leaves and in almost immediately after that height hold is beaten strangled bludgeoned and left for dead and two of the workers to other people working at this building. They see or believe. They saw something the parking lot. They call this into nine one one to say that kent has been attacked in the parking lot. We need paramedics. We need police. Just two janitors. Shayna aren't and jerry trump. They are two janitors and so according to shayna she has multiple david's she comes out and sees two young white folks who allegedly say someone is hurt and then they leave and she sees can't hide hold her her colleague and she calls the police. There's nine one one call that you can listen to. Its her and jerry trump calling. The police saying can is lying in the parking lot. He's not moving. We need help. The case doesn't really go anywhere right. We have two potential witnesses. We have some physical evidence at the scene. But this man was beat to death in the parking lot and choked and the case doesn't really seem to go anywhere. This takes us to the two year anniversary. Marker and the columbia daily tribune. They start running the story again. One of their own has been murdered on their property. And they're trying to get some answers for can hide whole. Who used to work for the tribune. As far as the evidence they have. They have blood evidence. They have fingerprints. They have shoeprints. They have the the weapon they have. Obviously these two eye witnesses that saw these other two individuals. We don't know if their attackers or if they were passer buyers or if they were witnesses to the crime so they do have quite a bit of evidence. But like you said. It doesn't go anywhere hard. If that evidence is on. Shayna does a police composite sketch so on his anniversary of the murder. Like you said two years later in two thousand three. The columbia tribune puts out this sketch from shayna. And this is where we get into the entire story of charles and ryan the catch comes out in the paper and charles erickson. Who at the time just remembers at this was halloween night. He was doing a lot of drugs including cocaine pills. I'm into also have done. Lsd mushrooms near as a high school kid. He's just experimenting. This navy blacks out and so two years later he sees in the paper. This sketch that he thinks looks a lot like him. You know i would argue it. It looks like a pretty generic young white man. You know buzz cut pretty pretty generic looking but charles thinking. Oh my gosh. I was at a party near there. It was halloween night. I have no idea what happened was completely blackout. This looks like me hold on. What's going on. I have something to do with this dog. Which is very interesting. Because taking a look at charles and looking at sketch. I don't think they look anything alike. Personally yeah. I don't. I don't really think so either but charles and this is where i i always thought it was so important to tell his story because you know not only did. He allegedly have substance abuse issues. I would say he's just a a teenager just doing his thing. But okay. People are calling it substance abuse issues. Not only did he have that but he did also have you know. Ocd and you know some some mental issues as well that were really causing him to think about this and over think about this and obsess over this and guess without obsessing he. He really thought this looked like him. And he went to ryan and said. Hey man. did we have anything to do with this. And brian was like. What are you even talking about dude. I dropped you off at home after the party around one thirty you were home like get away from me. This is crazy you can use monday. Dot com to work together on a shared. Workspace no matter where you are in here at the garage. We are still learning together. What works for our team and what doesn't work monday. Dot com is flexible enough. To let us make adjustments to the way that we work in just seconds it's easy to use a flexible customizable and visual online platform designed to manage any team organization or process online. 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He does take medication for it. He is therapy for it now but back then seventeen years old compounding with drinking lot doing cocaine doing lsd. It was it was not a good combination case has always been on my radar because when you see the i believe it was dateline the first time i heard about it. It's so scary to think being in ryan shoes and have always viewed this case through ryan ferguson's lands that you're out at this party and you're drinking and having a good time and at some point it's time to go home. I'm gonna drop off my buddy. And then i'm gonna go home and two and a half years later. I am being pulled into their questioning. Me now will one on these events. And yes i mean. It happened on halloween. So it's a little bit easier to remember what happened but could you imagine if it was not on halloween. How less of the story. He would've known And if you watch those interogations it's it. They're scary to watch because they're feeding charles all this information and then the other interrogations you have ryan gone. Look i. i wasn't even there. So i guess my question would be. How much do you think. Time played a factor and this meaning. The cops had really nothing to go off for two and a half years. Do you think that played into the way they handled this case i do. They wanted it solved. And this case is a is a oftentimes. You know when. I'm looking at these cases. We know that. There's been some kind of misconduct but it could be accidental. You know. I was covering a case where the prosecution unknowingly withheld evidence because the officers never even gave it to the prosecution so so that was like a complete accident. Prosecutor had no idea that resolve this exculpatory evidence because the police withheld it. But in this it is like such a clear cut. Police manufactured this conviction the police and prosecutor manufactured this conviction because with all of the people who later recant jerry trump the janitor. They got to make a false statement about ryan. And charles he recounts and says you know the prosecutor told me what to say. The police were giving charles erickson multiple. I only talk about one in my podcast. you know. I don't have a lot of time to go into every little detail but there are at least two other manufactured alleged. Confessions of people saying ryan confessed to me. They showed this to charles saying. Look ryan's telling people that you guys did this. There's another one Where allegedly a girl heard ryan confessing at a party and they showed this to charles and say look she heard ryan confessing all of was manufactured all of this was faked by the police and it is so agreed what they did to charles n ryan but they got charles to confess because of all of these false police reports. They were giving to him. You know time. I think in the sense that they wanted to solve it but ryan knew the whole time where he was what he did. There were multiple brady violations. In this case there were multiple people who said we saw them leave. We saw them go home and that was all withheld from the defense. And it's weird because it's kind of if you know the details and you go through every bit of it. If feels like there was not so much a confession really at all and on the surface. That's what we're told. This is how this case went wrong. This kid charles erickson. He was confused. He goes any talk to police. He confesses to the crime. He says me. And my buddy ryan did it. Why did we do it. We were looking to get more money for maybe drinks or some drugs or both and it was halloween. We were up to no good. This is not totally. Out of the blue. Four ryan ferguson. When he gets picked up because charles has already contacted him and said look. I'm seeing this story in the news. I saw this composite sketch. They're saying that two people were at the crime scene. Is this something we did. The bar we were drinking at was near this area. Did were involved in this guy's murder. Of course ryan seldom dude. You're you're crazy. I don't know what you're talking about here. And then a couple of months go by. He's picked up you picked up and what we're getting here in. The interrogation rooms are two very different things. We have ryan saying. I did not do this. I don't know what this other guy is telling you. But i was not there i. I'm not just innocent of the murder. I'm innocent of evening having been there. I don't have the didn't have the ability to even commit this crime. Because i wasn't physically there on the hand in the other room we got going on is charles erickson. Who's saying he's kind of. He's less confessing to it more so asking them. Could i have done this. Yeah yeah he he says. Could i have done this. And what has happened in maggie. You hit the nail you hit the nail right on the head. there was. He saw this in the news. He blacked out that night he had a history of blacking out and then he said he remembered some things of that night. But i think you're exactly right. I think he started obsessing about this crime and his mind started filling in some blanks on. Its own by the time he gets in that room with police. Police are saying it. Walk us through the crime. Well he's getting details wrong and they know that he's getting details wrong and they start to feed him information. So whatever blanks. He couldn't figure out or fill in on his own. They start filling them in for him. And this is something. I didn't get to put in the podcast either but They took him to the crime scene so he had a very clear when he's later explaining how this happened. They took him there and showed him where it happened. And said this is where it happened. This is you know where he was found strangled with the belts so he not only has been fed all this information he was taken to the crime scene to given even more accurate description of this this murder that he allegedly committed So it's it's really. It's incredibly disturbing with they. Pick a brian ferguson. One of the things that the detective says to him is that i'm a fact gatherer. Which will drive you nuts in this case because if you're a fact gatherer than you would have known pretty quickly that charles knew nothing about the crime scene. The victim or anything. That happened that night because he wasn't there the other thing the these interogations i think for me. There's a detective that talks with ryan. I and he says i have a. I have a son like hugh so You can't talk to your father right now. Let me step in form. There's multiple times where. I think i would stopped as detective and said this isn't making sense. We need something that actually connects them to the scene. Where we're going to have to let these guys go. They knew that they did not do this. None of the evidence you know. They tested off the blood evidence. The hair evidence. All of this did not match ryan and charles. They knew they did not do this. And yet they. They literally concocted false statements from people. I mean it is so it is just beyond police misconduct. It is beyond prosecutor misconduct. The prosecutor was kevin crane and he is now a judge so beyond like the misconduct. There is no ramifications for what they did pudding to innocent. People in prison is just so so wild it will. Do you know this and you might not that. Different departments work different ways in different cities work different ways so in some cases the detectives are the ones that pushed the trial to the prosecutors. There's a conversation that goes back and forth but there's one entity normally that has the hierarchy to say no. We're going to take this to trial so we need you to go back and more information. I didn't know if you knew how that worked in this department. I don't know but Again like i was saying you know. I ran into these instances in other cases where the prosecution didn't know all the dirty things the cops were doing in this instance crane is part of it. I mean he seems like the dirty wanted me. He reached jerry trump. Who was the star witness. Who is the entire reason. That ryan's case was vacated because he went on the stand and said Everything i said was ally prosecutor. Kevin crane coached me on what to say so to me. It seems like all if it was when sturdy. They all knew they knew that the evidence was not matching them and they just took to innocent frigging kits nineteen year old kids and locked him away and so what we have as far as evidence that didn't match the eye witnesses. The janitors didn't match of they said that these two boys were not the boys that they saw at the crime scene. Deaths such a clarifying that shayna orange on this was one of the brady one of the numerous brady violations She specifically told the police When they showed her photos that is not it is not them. It is not ryan ferguson. It is not charles erickson. That is not who i saw at the scene and so when it comes to trial the defense had no idea about her. So that's the brady violation and of course the prosecution doesn't bring on this witness because it doesn't match their story she's saying consistently for years. That is not who i saw. So that's one of the pieces of evidence is the eyewitness did not see. Charles and ryan was supposedly. There was a lot of fingerprints all over the scene and none of Charles orion's fingerprints match any of those or a bloody palm print or the shoeprint says well none of a match. There is not a single shred of evidence. There's not a single witness who is not common either recanted or said. I was coaxed putting them there. I mean there is zero evidence even putting them near there. I think that's a big thing in this trial. That is not talked about enough in the system. Is i think there was some somewhere between ten and fifteen people that came forward and said hey. I was interviewed and they asked me questions but i felt like as an interrogation i felt like i was doing something wrong. And they have several of them come forward and say i got to the point where i just told the prosecutor. Whatever you want me to say. I'll say it so you let me leave. This is not how we should be treating i witnesses and the other thing too that i want to step back to for a second when you were talking about how. They didn't have their parents. They're not only did they. Not have their parents there. They weren't read any kind of miranda rights. They weren't under arrest. They had no idea. I mean they're kids. You know we work in the fields. So we know if you're taking in you're not under arrest you don't have to say anything you can leave. You can walk out He has no idea what's going on. He's scared kid. And but when i say he i mean i'm talking about charles specifically because he's the confused one i mean ryan is very adamant like y'all get the hell away from me. I didn't have anything to do with this. But charles is like. I don't know. I don't know he wanted to help so bad. And i talk about this in the podcast. When you know. Now he understands. He's innocent but he didn't at the time because so much evidence was withheld from him. He didn't know that these all false police reports given to him. He had no idea that. Dna was exculpatory for him in ryan. He didn't know any of this until around twenty thirteen so he's sitting there thinking. I think we did this. Ryan is not trying to help or be helpful. And i wanna help so you know. What do i have to do to help. A man is dead. And i don't read with. That's even the story he's being told because in the other room like you said if if ryan new a i'm not under arrest i was in there. Fu he could have just walked out and and that's probably what he should have done and then in this other room or later on when they're talking to charles. What do they do they go. Hey by the way your heads on the chopping block. And if you don't confess against ryan he's gonna confess against you and so for a seventeen year old. Tonight's at the time or yeah. Nineteen at the time of questioning. But he doesn't know that the the cops are allowed to lie to you. I think most people would assume that the cops are not legally allowed to lie to you so now you have somebody in the other room or nobody in the other room. They're telling you. Hey if you don't confess. I you're going to get the the bad into the stick and i i. You know that's something. I haven't really looked into like we know that's the thing that they're allowed to lie to you. I didn't know they were allowed to go as far as making fake police reports. Where is where is the line on what they can do to get. You know a confession out of somebody. i think. That's what's so tricky here because we have charles erickson who saying he's asking. Did i do this. I may have done this. I don't know he's flout telling them. I don't know maybe i'm crazy. He says that several times when they when he can't get a question right he was a while now. I don't even know if i did this. Maybe i'm crazy making this up several several outs. And the thing is it starts off as a slippery slope. I get it from the police end from the police. And they're like look we. We have reason to believe we might be looking for to perpetrators or one attacker and one witness now. We have this kid who comes forward. Says me and my buddy. I think we did this. And of course you got one guy in one room and one guy in the other one guy saying we might have done this. The other guy saying go to hell. I didn't do this. That happens every crime that's committed by two people. They get one person saying they did in one person saying that they did. And so i get that from the police angle. But the problem with ericsson's confession then becomes. He can't answer these questions. They start filling in the blanks for him and as soon as he that yes it was a belt it was a belt that ryan took off of the victim. Put it around the victim's neck and choked him to death when he agreed that yes. It was a belt. They're hold back information. He sealed his fate right then and there and it goes so far as he keeps asking them. Maybe i didn't do this. I don't know if i did or not. And what you guys are talking about. Is they are giving outside confirmation to him to say yes. You did your right to come and tell us this because we got these other people that are that are backing up portions of your story. We who was it a friend of theirs named dallas. Who all of a sudden says now that they saw that we we know this guy dallas. He saw you near the crime scene. So everything you are telling us must be true and that's where it's crazy because you're not having somebody walk in and pounding their fists on the table and saying this is what i did. This is how we did it and this is why no you you you have. You have a guy going. I'm not certain if i did this or not. I have a little snapshots. i'm confused about that night. And they're filling in the blanks form and offering confirmation for him so now more. Because you're gonna fry for this and if whoever speaks i is going to win in this case ryan's going to turn on you so sort telling us every and i think the other thing that people are also confused about is Charleston and turn himself in. it was a crime. Stoppers tip because people had heard him kind of saying. I don't remember that night. I wonder fight something to do with it. And someone called crime stoppers saying hey look charles erickson. Is you know talking about this murder. And that's when they brought him in. Who knows what would have happened if someone didn't call crime stoppers but yeah that that's how they wound up in in questioning. Is it true that once he made contact with ryan to say. Did we do this that. Not only were there. Rumors People started circulating rumors saying that that eric was involved. That ryan was not involved. I don't know about that I know ryan was saying you know we had nothing to do with this and ryan kind of went about his life like just like charles Up like what are you even talking about. I don't know if there were rumors about ryan not being involved. But i know charles is definitely talking to people. He was really worried. You know just trying to figure out what what was going on what this ultimately leads to though nobody bothers to pull the emergency brake and hit. Stop on this thing. Everybody just keeps letting it go. Further and further and then at some point the prosecutor starts san all right. Let's we're not only not only. We're not going to stop this train. We're going to add fuel to the fire. We're going to put witnesses on the stand. Have them say things that they know are not true because when they don't get a confession what they're hoping for polices like all right. We got one half of the parties confessing. let's get ryan ferguson. To confess to and he doesn't he does not waver on his innocence and they have to take ryan to trial. This is going to get a deal. A plea deal for charles erickson. Charles takes a twenty five to life. Second degree murder for his testimony against against ryan. And that's one of these things to the death. Penalty was on the table so he was also absolutely terrified of the death penalty. In you guys know we see this almost in every single if not every single false confession is the death penalty is on the table. And they're saying you don't say something you're going up for the death penalty if Something know we'll take it off the table but isn't it more likely if he was convicted of first degree murder that death penalty would be on the table and a wouldn't it be really likely that death penalty would be on the table. Were murder in the second. Well that's why he took the plea because he was up for first degree murder key took the plea to get the death penalty off the table. Yeah and this. They're going to charge ryan ferguson with first degree murder and they need him to testify. They need charles. Erickson to testify at ryan's trial. And i'll tell you what. Having seen portions of that. Trial looked at the prosecutor very strategically had things laid out with different quote unquote witnesses. The defense attorney seemed scatterbrains. Seemed that he didn't prepare for this case. He calls ryan to testify. Ryan was not prepared to take the stand. He was not trained on how to answer the questions. But the thing that was so shocking to me where you have this confused charles erickson. When he's talking to police maybe ryan strangled the guy with the shirt. Oh it wasn't a shirt. Maybe it was a bungee cord. Oh it wasn't a bungee cord. We know it was his bell. Okay ryan did it with the belt. But when charles walks into that court it is shocking. It is stunning. He walks right in and he throws a death. Stare death glance over at ferguson sitting in the defendants share. He walks up to the stand and now he it's like he's an expert on the case all of a sudden he's he hit. The script is completely flipped. And he's up there with the dramatics. He's acting reenacting the the murder for the jury. He was extremely believable. And had this look of like anger against ryan ferguson. While he's on the stand he didn't hide his face from ryan and shame or or or guilt or anything like that. He looked at him dead on said this is what he did. This is what i did. I am here today. Because i am one hundred percent guilty of this merck. Yeah and i asked him about that because it is really scary to watch And you know when you're only seeing this when you're watching dream killer and other things that have been put out about this case. I mean you're watching these clips and you are thinking. Wow charles is a really messed up person. What is he doing. And i asked him. I said you know you looked like you know you had the fire of hell in your eyes. Like ready to go for ryan like what was that about. And he said i thought ryan was being a bad guy. I thought that he was not taking responsibility for what we did and i was going to do that. I was going to be the one to you. Know give can't hide holds family. The justice that they deserve and ryan wasn't doing that. Yeah then they bring them in and shackles and the black and white jumpsuit. I mean it's very the ethical and like you said When they brain ryan ferguson. On the the stan. He's very ill prepared and just little mannerisms that he has he kinda smirks and chuckles at things and i think that made him come off insincere and like he wasn't taken this trial seriously. I think you know how it's like. How could you. It's like so ridiculous at least in ryan's perspective. It's like this is absolutely insane. It's like what is even happening. I don't. I can't even imagine once going to ryan's head at this point because he knows they weren't there he's like. This is absolutely bonkers. And that's the thing is that's the reason why this case always sticks with me so much. You just went out with one of your friends that night couple years later. That friends calling you go and hey man where involved in a murder i mean. Could you imagine how much your brain would explode. we talking about. We're involved in a murder. Get outta here months later being arrested or being pulled into question. Wait this this knuckleheads. Just telling you that. Maybe he had a dream. We murdered somebody. We weren't even there and probably thinking the whole time they're going to let me go and that's gonna be it and no now. You're arrested now. You're in jail there in jail for over two years before they went to trial. I don't know if i could stand that if it's supposed to be innocent till proven guilty but during jail for two years before you even coulda trial. It's and this is why you know. So much of it focuses on ryan because it. It's you know this. Poor kid was railroaded by his friend. And the police and you know he is just like what is happening and you feel really bad for him but at the same time we also forget that. Here's charles erickson. An incredibly vulnerable nineteen year olds. That was completely taken advantage of by the police and the prosecutor and ryan has admit that you know when ryan was released. He i put it in the podcast statement that he said he says charles is a lot of things but he's not guilty of this murder naturally ryan's gonna feel a certain way towards someone who put him in prison for ten years. But you know. I know from that statement. That ryan knows that. That charles had a lot of issues and the police took advantage of that. Well his whole story just doesn't it doesn't track. I mean he says we left the bar in order to go rob someone to get more money for drinks and drugs and this can hide hold. Murder scene is a bloody mess. Chuck says we return to the bar afterwards and had some more drinks and we have witnesses who worked at the bar who were at the bar that said no the bar closed closed before we believe can hide. Holt was even murdered because they call in the janitors call in to nine one one. I believe it to twenty six. Am and now chuck ericsson saying we. We killed this man and we returned to the bar which we know could not have happened because the bar was not open and then on top of that they would have been a bloody mess. They're just gonna hang out there. That's the thing too. They also not only did. None of the evidence at the scene matched charles and ryan but they searched there. I forget who i think. It was ryan's car because ryan was driving but whichever car they were driving they searched. They searched charles's clothing from that night. There's nothing nothing. There was no blood. There's no evidence and that's the whole point. They would have been a bloody mess. There would have been blood in that car. You know there would have been something and again. It's it's hard not to fall the detectives or the prosecutors. But i i do feel that maybe with somebody coming forward saying. I don't know if i did this. I possibly could have. I think maybe push further than you normally would and you dig deeper than you normally would. But i think at the end of the day you still come to the conclusion that neither one of these boys were at the scene of the crime so therefore could've committed the on again. There was multiple witnesses. You know like you said the bar saying it was closed. Not people were allah buying for them and they just pushed ahead. And i think going back to what you said you know. I feel like prosecutor kevin corinne. I mean we have jerry. Trump's specifically saying he was coached by him. I feel he was really pushing for this conviction and again is a judge now so this was like a big. This was a big win for him in steppingstone in his career. So you know it's the whole thing was just very dirty will in shawna says that. She told prosecuting attorney. Kevin craned that that ryan ferguson is not the man that i saw parking lot so and he kinda conveniently leaves that out. He doesn't get her to change her story but he never says point to. Do you see the man that you saw that night in the parking lot in this room at court here today. He never ask that question. Then of course ryan for sins attorneys too scared to ask that same question because he doesn't know what the witnesses going to say. That's what's bizarre that shows you how the lack of preparedness on the defense on their end. There were holes to be poked in this story and this narrative and the evidence itself. But he didn't bother poking any of those holes because he didn't really didn't seem like he prepared much for this had he interviewed. Shawna aren't in advance. He could have asked her that question. And a deposition found out in advance what she was going to say and realize. Wow that's some powerful information that this jury should know about my client. But he didn't know to do that because he didn't input in the work war again. This is so it's so bizarre and one of the reasons is because the system is set up to have checks and balances and in this case. It's such a perfect storm. We have this kid. That doesn't remember things. They did something bad now. He's confessing against you. You're Attorney defense attorney that you hire that everybody tells ya. This guy's the best shows up so unprepared. I mean at one point. He's pointed to A reference map and talking about a restaurant the restaurants not even on the map because because it was an old map. This guy was so ill prepared and then again the perfect storm cops that went too far a prosecution that probably said hey look if we can get the confession doesn't matter if it's false or not if we can get that confession. I can get a convicted. That was in his opening statement in cranes opening statement. He points he says you. Know there's no gna linking them to this all the dna's pointing away them but he's confessing so that's all you need to worry about well not even not dna. I believe crane said there is zero physical evidence. There's i mean the the of douche bag ary he talks with. I mean i wouldn't even call it a swagger. It's he is so do she. at times. This man is a judge now is presiding over cases. Now i guess on one hand people could go. Well he's tax payers. Pay his salary and he. He got the conviction By bending the rules right interrogating interrogating. Not i witnesses now. Because of his conviction the state owes ten million dollars to ryan ferguson alone. That notch mentioned what charles gets out. Who's done more time than that. I mean what is this conviction was purely for his own political career gain it. There is no way to say that this helped society and it clearly did not help because again taxpayer money is now going to paying a wrongful conviction settlement and the real killers are still out. There can't hide holds. Family does not have any kind of justice on who knows what these people have done. In the meantime in fact. I do know what two of these people have done in the meantime and there was another murder. Here's a couple of things about this case is again. The focus normally goes on ryan ferguson. He's definitely a victim in this case as much so i believe charles is a victim in this case. But you'd like you just said is the victim that is most forgotten in this case is family is forgotten in this case and just like the last person that saw him. Michael boyd which was a sports writer which worked under can't there was multiple things early on one. He puts himself at the crime scene. He at one point says he left at two later. Says he left it to twenty and one interview. He says he drove his car another interview. He says he drove his wife's car. There was pieces of paper. That had a schedule on it. That would have been michael boyd schedule. That was found underneath cans car. There was rumors that they had argument. the car that people believe michael was driving at the time. He got rid of so he also said when he came back to work that there was this. The medics were still there. That was ally. There's also he said A couple different things about the crime scene That he shouldn't even he should have known or he changed his story about so there was enough reason to look into that individual. And i'm sure they did a little bit but We're where do you stand on on on. Michael boy huge. You just named everything that makes him. You know a better person of interest than charleston ryan. I don't really know in that. Two year span before charles ryan came on the radar. They looked into boyd clearly. Something turned them away from him. You know well. I what i question is is it. The the janitors are correct in there. I witnessed that. They both saw two individuals that were. Yeah yeah boy does not need is not white. He's dark skinned man Any was solo and the janitor said they saw two young white men again though. Who knows if they were joist pedestrians walking by because allegedly they said. Hey someone's hurt. So who knows if they were the actual killers or if they just saw something it could have been buoyed but you know in doing subsequent investigation and talking a lot with people who know this case really well. There are two people that were uncovered by zellner private. Investigators dat are very good suspects in two thousand five committed another murder similar similar like a very random murder who who they were linked to this murder and allegedly have said that they commit other murders like this and they look very much like the sketch one of the men so personally i think they're much better suspects in boyd. I think boyd is just an odd odd duck. Just doesn't remember things. I don't think it was buoyed. He should have been looked into much more than he was. Thanks for joining us here in the garage. Make sure you go to the website true crime garage dot com sign up on our mailing list. We're going to have to more garage sales for the rest of the year. If you're not on the mailing list you won't be able to get the discount code so make sure you do that at true crime garage dot com and have a beer with me on untapped. I'm under true crime garage until tomorrow be good. Be kind and don't let her.
1941 Cape Girardeau UFO Crash: The Alien Coverup Before Roswell | 216
"Ashamed i'm disturbed. I think we're going to do a weird area. You can't handle the truth through this busy. Stereo fifty one. The truth is fine detail coming for you. Look one of them now. Welcome in hysteria. Nation to the podcast. That cannot wait. Make up some shit crazy stuff. Tell our loved ones. When we're on our deathbed this is hysteria. Fifty one great idea. Let's book it. How about this evening. I could do say five or so. I guess i should have gone with Can't wait it's it's funny our sponsors he is when it's something of the wants which is also sort of scary. Ah we are broadcasting from the lower fourth dimension otherwise known as chicago. I'm your host. John go forth and alongside is my co host and the man voted in high school. Most likely to give an alien last rites mr brennan to be clear that was most likely to give last rites to alien west of the mississippi. There is a solid distinction. There nick amd or guy we went to high school with was actually voted most likely for the east side but more importantly john we have a case involving an alien crash and just like you stated last rites tonight in good old land of our lord cape girardeau missouri from a small town. Too and one thing we're talking about is how little there is to do in these towns. It's not a cape town happens to have the name cape in it. Yeah and boy. You're right man I if that's actually a really good point because we you know so many sightings happen in these small towns and and you get the feeling that on some of them. I'm not saying all of them but on some of them it just might have been people. Were bored well. Yeah or the aliens go there because no one's going to miss them. I mean it's six one half dozen another in my it. It's it is true. You know you can see you when there's no City light To blow my gosh light. Pollution is not a thing. I it is weird living up here now in chicago. Land not being able to see like the christmas star. You know that the tandem planets. I'm sure it's there. But i see his smog and the o.'hare midway overlap jetway and whites. My my wife was actually asking me about it. She's like know. This seems like your jam. Do you want to like go outside and look and like you said get your ass back at the kitchen and then you said that's how you talk to her boy. Oh no that's the wrong small town and that's yes. Sorry tale flicked my cigarette butts. You could go to the basement. Don't make me put on my good wife fear. Anyway we are from small towns. Brent fun stuff to do when you're bored quick before we get into that. I want to preface. I grew up in the country outside of a town of seven hundred people. That's the kind of i. I didn't grow up in the big city of seven hundred off of my own lonesome. Now we in the area that we grew up in. I was actually on the west side of the suburbs of the smaller town drilling oil which is springfield. But we went to the same high school so it was kind of this mix of the smaller town and then the but even springfield is a small town. There's only a hundred ten thousand people there like like it's small town. Yeah i mean. I guess it's all relative to you. Know how you want to look at it. But it's true small towns sensibilities and we hung out So often in cornfields may. We went drinking in court fields. I should say it doesn't come out of cornfields lights sound and kids when they're drunk so you can just hide right from the cops back in an opening in a cornfield and all the streets relate you know those county roads that didn't have names twenty two we name them. This one's called real straight and that's the curve over there. S the narrow died. We used to go drinking at one north. I remember that but so other than during keenum bonfires. Obviously folks grew up hunting. I i grew up shooting. I wasn't a big hunter. Fires mortgages like an accidental fire corns on fire. All right. it's funny. You say that bonfires were were often like well. Let's we've to burn all the refuse from the yard and oh yeah. Let's just call it a bungalow wiener roast which we always had as as people get. Yeah yeah certainly went fishing hiking stuff like that but one thing And this brings us to cape girardeau that You find a lot of smaller towns or those areas at least here in the midwest We both went to carbondale and in that area there wineries the wine trail. there's also A some wineries around cape girardeau. We both have been to keep your artists spent time. There's were familiar with this little town. And there i gotta tell you. There's nothing better than getting a getting a driver. Getting uber just getting like a bus for the day and just going around these small middle of nowhere wineries and drinking their over sugar fide was made with potatoes. Yeah okay. I'll try it. Let me get two bottles. And and the wine is you know. It's not always the best. But it's so they they have. They've got the little spitting cups in the crackers. You can eat in between all years ago of on are like a valley when the won their first big things. so they'll wind wasn't looked down upon might not that look down upon but it was considered you know decent wine then. We're talking a long time ago. And the the whole genre of wine kind of made a big switch he let me. Let me make a distinction. I'm not. I'm not shitting on those wineries when i'm They have really good winds. And they use different varietals so You know if you go to the store you typically see. Like cabernet sauvignon and sarah and all that stuff There are different grapes that grow in the rugged midwest so one is called norton Another autumn amerson nardin my friend And so But what winds up being popular just suiting the taste of the crowd at all of these wineries are there kinda sweet table wines. The ones that kind of tastes grape jelly or the app a couple of apple. Wineries down there. Yeah yeah that's true as well von yang. call it. I think i've heard the people that work there. Call it both so yeah it's true. Also pass anyway they so they wind up They sell their their their moneymakers. The stuff tastes grape jelly. They wind up having another really good wines. It's just not. They're not the most positive ports down there to surprisingly enough probably get real drunk on it real fast. Well i want to go have drinks right now but i suppose we should bang out an episode. Yeah we probably should before we get to the whole cape girardeau missouri about this was kind of interesting. There's something in the news lately and it's a gentleman that appropriately enough or not. We actually did an entire episode interview with and it got corrupted. We never released that. Mr nick pope has been in the news again. Yeah i forgot about that. Interviews alien was and we sat down with him for quite a while. You know we got like an hour long conversation. And we're using that zoom recorder in it. Just all garbled for some reason. It was the only one all the other ones were perfect. You know there was a lotta disclosure in that in that interview wonder. Yeah yeah also nick. Pope has been in the. Let me just tell you something. You can't hide from the internet. She's a fickle fickle beast. Tell you that if you're not familiar with nick nick. Pope is the british gentleman who says that he worked for the ministry defense and he was kind of their liaison their head guy when it came to aliens. Well he's been writing that since the ninety s when he worked there it's came out recently or at least people have been talking about it in the threads and pages and everything that he's really kind of fluffed is resume so to speak. Here's a quote from linda. Unwin or you win win. This is the ultimate version. And you'll do a much better job of describing it than than i but it's like the ultimate version of turning chicken shit into chicken south or you go. Hey there you go. So linda you. Nwa in She's she was actually Successor to nick in his role courtroom. Where the first point to make is that there is no ufo project handling of ufo sightings is very small element of our work in on the question of whether the imo de ministry. Defense is interested in ufo's. Linda claims. I'll let you into a little secret. Generally were not. The policy is quite simple. We only look at these reports to establish whether there might be anything of defense significance such as an unauthorized or hostile aircraft in uk airspace. That is very different than the picture. That nick has kind of put forward is what he did is she said the f. o. Desk was the focal point of view. Four reports from the public. The reports were assessed whether there was an issue for literally just their defense significance than the report was filed into the road for nick as far as his involvement went period in another article. It basically said a couple of things first. He he Rates bit when it comes to his His rank yeah. He's he's villian but he was telling people he's like a light colonel or or you know a different different roles and shit like that and yes so in he he basically it came out to his rank was the lowest you could have in management and he he kind of He churched it up a bit and then when it comes to his publicly talking about what the role was you know. As you said brandt he kind of couches. It as i led the charge for ufo for ufo's in the ministry of defence when in reality it was just his job to basically put out the same press. Release story up as it alone. That's exactly sounds like to. I know you think that was a clip. I you shocked me. I mean if well fuck the guy's been called the case fox mulder and he kind just went with the known and Yeah just. I don't know man. It might have been one of those things where each kind of just went with it. And then it's been so long snowballing. He's just like shit you know. And he's not been one. That's really done a whole bunch of research. He's more of a figurehead when it comes to television shows talking about what's going on and they even did a deeper dive into some of the claims he's made in in a lot of claims have Have come up empty or things that he was claiming oreos. We had already been soundly soundly. Prison i'm a the russian rocket that was reentering other. That's called the red rocket. You're what if you're just at rocket. Just google coma so another fallen hero. Brea you know. And he's been mum's the word on this. He kinda got very defensive when this first started coming out recently and then he's been quiet so we'll see how it goes just It's been a challenge. John about this because it's been everywhere just blew up in. Everyone was talking about. If you're in the weird groups that i am in other you guys don't know any of this shit. No it's on your radar on mine. Oh my god wasn't on. Cnn was unfortunately they're pretending that the the election and it is more important but we all know different the election. The pandemic nope. Let's talk ayla will tell you guys if you want to read in a little bit more of the claims against him and claims he's made an stuff i'll thurston. Pdf's in the show description and go to our website or anywhere you can get the the links to that but anyway. Let's forget. Nick pope nonsense. Let's go trucking down to missouri. John cape gerardo. I'm yeah i'm excited about this one. Let's so because of the story and more so. Because i've actually been to the town in question. Well we we spend a lotta time actually lived in missouri for a while right. So i've been there for a few reasons. I used to go there when we were in college. Because if you know anything about beer distribution not all beers are distributed equally across the country. You're not going to bootlegging are you. I am so in college We we went to we went. Sau carbondale carbondale illinois. We would and there were certain beers. That weren't necessarily distributed in carbondale meaning distribution is different for different beers. they're not all created the bugger. That's right and the one that we all really liked that is it's like wallpaper. Now find it anywhere but the one that we will relate was fat tire so we would take the forty five minute hike from carbondale to cape girardeau across the mississippi and pick up kegs of fat tire for for parties. Be through yeah. Yeah because that's smart. So we truly were bootlegging to one extent or another. I drive my transam in utah in the semi and we could go and text. It was destination nine hundred miles there. Nine hundred miles back and we had twenty years on and then later once i was an adult i actually had a girlfriend that lives in cape girardeau like lived. There worked there. And i lived in saint louis at the time and so we We did kind of the long distance thing. And i would spend weekends in cape girardeau Summers in cape girardeau luggage summer. I spent a weekend in your art. You know there's a bed and breakfast lifetime movie written all over it right there. Some cape it is on the river. It's not. It's just not the picturesque the mighty mississippi not a babbling brook that you want to the exactly but there are nice on there so a lot of research. This week is gonna come from a book by this. This cat named george shutting the park aptly titled the cape girardeau nineteen forty one. Ufo incident so not a lot of of spoiler alert. There where you're telling me it's it's not just a clever name exactly a- exactly so to start with the blurb for his book because i thought that was really good. It's the first part of it. It's a great teaser. A southern baptist minister has drawn into bizarre strange an intriguing mystery when he agrees to lend a hand at an airplane crash outside the city of cape girardeau missouri. Now the fact that they didn't call it a sleepy little hamlet. I'm going to give him a strike there. I'm just going to say that right now. But so far. Otherwise so good. During the spring of nineteen forty one just before the united states enters world war two. There is something strange about the whole incident. And the reverend finds himself taking part in a possible military and government cover up the events that night will haunt him and his family for years to come she. John we got pre roswell pre. Www agains or just in urban legend. That's a solid possibility route. All of these things can't really felt them there. I love older stories that local areas. Hang on june keep retailing and and things like this now. This one we'll find out hasn't been one that's been forever because it more came into the the cultural zeitgeist later on but it is a fun story disappeared for fifty years and then resurfaced so the short in the sweet john. Give us a little rundown about this The the the go pedia bullet points if you will of course so. It starts with our hero. The minister william huffman reverend and of god. If you will john okay you pick your poison god. Yeah but they call them off and he got a call way back in. This is the spring of nineteen forty one. Now depending on this research source that you go to jail they say spring and they don't know the exact date other sources say specifically april twelve. That comes from. There is some paperwork from the fire department. That gives it more of a date or at least they could make it. Stick to that date because it made sense to the fourth to kind of tie into right right exac remember. This was before the black and white to color switch. Yup that checks out anyway when he gets the call on the other end of the line or the local police and they've asked him to travel with them to the site of an airplane crash. Just outside now. I want you to remember that. This officer who's calling. It was out of breath because they had to like ring that crank on that phone just to call them. What is what is the. Ben oven is to rings and a half ring thinking shit operator. They got that weird thing up to their operating. Gimme watertown six four nine Fuck just let them die so so. They need his help with the victims of the crabbing minister. They need the minister. The minister to the victims as you do. Yeah yeah i mean you know If folks are folks are hurt or extensively they. They're on their deathbed into. Is we talked about before administer last rites And so he was expecting some sort of small plane. Maybe a prop plane who knows but no no. It was a disc shaped craft that he happened upon. You know remember john. I want to point something out. As we've learned with previous episodes it doesn't matter what dimension time-line planet or wherever the hell you hail from your was getting the proper christian burial if you happen to die in the rural. Us back in the day but it's just a texas in the late eighteen hundreds rhyming it was now the saturday went by that. Some fucking backwoods. Preacher wasn't get called in to give rights to some three. it warrior that's right. Jesus is your savior and hit him in the head. It's just the way it goes now. Reverend men arrived on the scene and he's greeted by police officers firefighters. Fbi agents emergency medical crew and numerous other military. Real fucking hush-hush operation. They got going on right now. I'm like a clown car opened more and more people come out. There was an army base nearby. Sexton missouri So he figured they were homeless. Who has the throw throwed rolls if you've ever wanted to know what a man chuck enrolls you huckleberry finn outfit. When the guy behind him has a paint brush full of molasses like go to sexton missouri. Home the throat roles at lambert's or read rents oddly specific porn collection. Read it because it's all in braille. Oddly enough i feel it's also and folks all of these folks that might or might not have been from sexton missouri home of the throat roles. They were staring at something. Brent and it and huffman described it as a disc shaped object the interior of which contained a small metal chair gauges dials. And this is the most interesting part to me. Hieroglyphic like inscriptions and writings all around the now. That is the tie that binds with a lot of these things even roswell and things like that are the the inscriptions that people say are jairo clinic like yeah. That's an injury and we saw that in Casper pennsylvania well that was german. They just didn't know how to read german well. 'cause obviously glock was the was out with a tortoise. A pyramid and son got is how you spell. I was not paying attention that day in in china so regardless of what these symbols were he saw them and he also saw three entities were quote non-human people thought some non human people's three of 'em line on the ground and two of them were outside the crafts third was somewhat further away and spoiler alert brent. They were greys when he talked about. He kind of gave him like the normal gray. The hairless bodies large head big eyes small mouth. Small your openings Four feet tall. He did say and this is an interesting when they seem to have no heart bone structure and by that i mean they had like very long arms and fingers and they were almost pliable or the military was just throwing some dolls out. There we'll fuck. I wouldn't worry but now that'll this'll really throw them off. The campus grey alien shit is what we're getting at and on top of that they were all dead just they they were no more they were deceased like a good fucking parrot. They were gone on for you there in my defense and i had already warned fuck around and find out. They fucked around. They found out. What's the what's the audio version of. Just lexi's silence anyway as good backwoods preacher does when you happen upon the government trying to get you to to work with the malians. You get to pray in. And that's just what. I don't know i mean i thought last rites were like while they're still breathing if they're dead breathe. John touche show should we should. They even have been burying them. I don't know if they did. Or maybe they consider to eighty lanting. We don't know what do who knows who knows anyway. Oh we're going to grow a pretty alien over here. Speaking of my porn collection though apologized to clarify they said two were definitely dead and the third was well on the way out. That's the one the preacher was administering last rites to okay so anyway. After after prayer he was taken by military officials to a nearby location where he was sworn to secrecy and he says quote strongly warned to never discuss the crash with any He he he said he was told that this didn't happen. You didn't see this. This is national security and is never talked about again. But guess what. Brent spoiler alert spoiler. He talked oh yeah well john you see this shit give last rites to aliens. He got home. You tell your wife flew real name because hell yes. They knew how to name people back then. Then then you tell your boys you tell your children. Floyd stop cooking gideon here. I got her story. Got to tell you something. Turn off the am radio. I know how do these on. But this is going to blow up your pantaloons pantaloons a bed skirt on crank down the am radio. I know it's large the refrigerator which is just a giant icebox spans outside. He needs to children to help a brigand tonight. The load of so that we don't get botulism with breakfast. Let's be clear we don't get more botulism. I mean we're gonna have the acceptable amount. Yeah yeah just rip that part of the bread off. Come on you get used to. It really meet hasn't turned really until it's green. Slime is okay. You can wash where you think they got that puck and dry aging from this could charge more for it. What's the little air got between family. And that actually you know what we just might have stumbled upon the actual a reason or cause of of the nineteen forty one cape gerardo. Ufo incident working bat. Shit crazy on you know The right turn bad. so did the aliens. That's the way it goes. Titi supposedly tell john besides these kids though. Why is see bottle out on the show and If there is time. John let's get to talking some more. That's coming up. Hysteria fifty one. You know the sebok questions best. I'd really just as a warning. I consider you around. We're gonna find out. I'm gonna go out on winning the okay so you know. I in the pudding brent. Yeah well six years. Just wanna throw that little number out there this is six years pre whereas well you're probably thinking or maybe not because you don't care why is this a much bigger story right instead of there. Being television shows called roswell. Why aren't there. Television shows called cape girardeau. You're absolutely right so the reason and then we kind of eluded to this earlier the reason is it didn't really come out until nineteen ninety-one. Yeah a lot of this is gonna come from there was this. Ufo researcher named leonard springfield. This is what they say about him. He was a former civilian consultant to ufo actions. At wright patterson air force base in dayton ohio. The nineteen fifties. How do you verify that as a consultant for ufo operate civilian consultant to ufo operation. So someone confirmed at some point that there is a division called ufo ufo operations or even just a task unified field operations operations. I'll take it you sure. Resume bill right. There anyway added to my lincoln. He broke the story to the world so to speak when he wrote about it. In the june nineteen ninety-one issue of status report. Now what status report. What was a monthly publication youthful activities and investigations now not to be confused with davidge report but status report very similar engineering status report. Yeah he wrote about the information he got from one missouri charlotte man and she's kind of the big tie that binds the big important in this whole story even more than and because she was a kid back in nineteen forty one and one man of god just so happened to be her grandfather. That is papa huffman good old capes red star baptist church. I used to sing in the choir. No that is actually the name of the name of the church in lime saying no to that other than the fact that you're not eternal you can't sing at all i've heard it. It's it's awful. I can do. Whatever the hell. I want sing dance murder. I am a triple threat. That i think i need to give up and just remember how stupid you both are so yeah. Charlotte was one of the grandchildren of reverend huffman. And she was the one who told the phone call that he received the bodies the warning etcetera so the way she got this very interesting. She said her grandmother that would be floyd told her in nineteen eighty-four she was laying dying of cancer terrible thing of charlotte's home. Why undergoing radiation therapy and it was one of those things where they knew the story existed. She said that she wanted to know it. And pride it out of her over a few days and finally she just came out with it. This is where it it. It's interesting that there's a. There's a little bit more digging or unpacking to do. So what we understand. Is that the pastor. One hundred percent told his family so he told his wife told his kids. His kid is charlotte's father. So the family writ large knows The this story. But i guess when it comes to the grandkids it hadn't been directly word of than just you know some some using pieces the pickup here. And they're kind of like you know when you when you start to learn. There's something else going on with your parents when you're young. You know you of pick up. Bits and pieces turns out. Your dad's a superhero. You know Family stuff that or just a man. He likes to wear underwear on the outside one of the one of the two so interesting though she talks about how she kinda knew or heard about. Here's a quote. Well the first awareness that i had of it quote. The dead bodies is actually a picture. Which is the big news that my father had and it was at a dinner party and i had heard rumors in bits and were conversations but it was a picture an old picture because it had she says because it had it was like the old cold axe with little lines than scallops. Around it there were two men holding up. Non-human is the best way. I can describe it a little entity a little person who appeared to be about four feet tall. They had him underneath the armpits. With arms outstretched to either side of him spoiler alert on that though. The picture was not in charlotte possession and you afo. Researchers have been unable to locate it way rain. I still have a few wallet sizes of it and one eight by ten if you are interested eight. Great let's see it. Come on right now. You put your money where your mouth. This shows the picture. I'll text it to you. Why did you just text us. Brett farve dick pic oops sorry new phone. The alien pig must be on my other phone. I'll have to get back to you yet. That checks out. Of course he can't produce it anyway improve brett farve. Dick isn't an alien. And actually i might have his back on this one john. I'm i'm walking away from both of you right now. But so brent. That's pretty much. The meat of the story. What's interesting to me about it. Also is you know just had whispers conversations. I saw this picture when my dad would bring it out of dinner parties. Wait so you saw a picture of a couple of people holding an alien. And you're like yet that's the craziest. I think a lot of families have that lake. What is the story with blah blah blah. Well we don't talk about it. Fuck you you know what i mean like what. Yeah but once once dad's had an extra brandy at the dinner party and brings out the picture you'd think that I mean it. It's not a picture of like you know the the brother you've never met. I mean this is. This is an alien. Yeah now to add a little bit about charlotte. She's been interviewed by a lot of people in the foll and they all seem to think they've all said she comes off very genuine. And here's an important part to this story or not important. I mean i guess you can go either way. She's never tried to sell the story or get financial game from it and seriously not making money. Not bob lazar. Gee golly shocks. I don't make no money off this while cashing checks and giggling to himself like no. She really hasn't done that. One of the researchers guy that really looked into this guy named ryan would and after research he said we can reasonably conclude that there was a crash of the implications of this case if fully proven are part of a larger picture namely extraterrestrial. Visitors are real certain factions of the government. Had been hiding this fact since at least nineteen forty one. It's a hell of a statement if it you know you can take it at face value. Now he went on to say john. The final resolution to the case is still out there and may come informed physical evidence. Bits of wreckage new witnesses historical air photography soil samples or cable research. All these friends are being actively worked and there is reason to predict success. He's he started out with. We can reasonably conclude. There was a crash event why likely reasonably conclude that in his research looking into it. He was trying to figure out what had happened. Because there are so many people in the area there are fire department records that go back. Pre nineteen forty one from the area and they have records from the date of the crash. It shows that alleged data the crash right like best connection. Yeah that the military came to the firemen and made them swear to members of the department of secrecy and The removed all evidence the seen by military personnel that the firemen had collected and they still had the information something had crashed plane crash or something they had to sign a nondisclosure agreement so to speak and everything was taken from them so no matter what it does seem that something happened and that is a big score as far as clues go being that this could be actually real. So that's what he's hanging his hat on. I believe in this whole thing. Yep yep and i listen. I think you could poke holes in that but i also i also don't think there's a need to because they're being an event doesn't imply aliens right so there could be an event and it could not be aliens it goes either way at least it's it's good that he's saying you know we need to look more into this. Oh no i agree with that. I'm just saying that he's the one who's making the connection between this story and then public records of the firefighters like there's no imply connection the whole story is that in that spring there is a plane crash. That wasn't a plane. Angela happens that literally that spring there is a plane crash that they made them sign affidavits that said they would never speak of this and they took all the the stuff so call it a plane crash. The report called a yeah. A crash of some sort is is. Yeah the firefighters were more deaths. Far as they know so charlotte's sister has confirmed that her story She has confirmed that. What sherline saying is true in the node. Notarize sworn affidavit. Now there's also the living brother of the cape girardeau county sheriff in nineteen forty one. His name was clarence are shade. He said he remembers hearing the count of the crash yet. He doesn't have any details. He does recall hearing oh it was a spaceship little people. It wasn't a plane you into some dinner parties but that was the talk of the town. It's one of those things where everyone's talking that fucking goes. That's my. that's what i'm saying. He went to the dinner party. I mean it's it's a tiny town. You just like all the other people. The cows need tended to not-i'm spaceman. They keep going about their business. Always those types you heard that a fucking alien crafts. Yeah but i had to get to town. So i mean the grain was going to load itself. Where are these details of. There's gotta be more you know. I think so. Let's go to break. Let's talk about these details. A little bit more info at when we come back do we believe it Why is about still here all. That's coming up. After the break on hysteria fifty fifty-one still a valid question. At least there is those bits of a paper trail. I will say that we are in like the fire department records as i was talking to you before we went to break. That is a big score. As far as clues go. At least for something happening now stories get told entails. Get taller and how those go. Fish story right. So charlotte's father guy often so this would be the reverend sun the sun the story the crash and supposedly had in his possession. That photograph where you're talking about the dead alien and he showed the picture to a professional photographer guy. The he knew. And this guy's name was walter wayne fisk. He sounds like a marvel comics bad guy. I wouldn't trust him. Fisk is someone that they wanted to talk to and he would not return calls or letters from charlotte when she started reaching out on this even though he had been friends with her father. Inner one stanton friedman who we've talked about on here a lot. He tried to work with this because he was investigating and fisk refused to release the picture. He did at least talk to stan. And he made some claims fisk did fisk stated that he had a doctorate in psychology. Hey tell me about the. Ufo's well. I let me start with. I have a dial. Sacha set up your back. And you're going to ask about it sir. sir. I didn't ask about your your your education anyway as i was saying. I have a doctorate in psychology. Realize though john that if they didn't have his questions you'd be going. Why didn't they ask questions about his education. I don't think i would not no witness anyway. I witness so don't ask basic background questions of a witness who is thought to be withholding evidence solid plan. friedman said. he was unable to verify. This claim it all along with statements. He'd ever been an advisor to multiple presidents. that is something that fisk told him more like. Maybe fisk was just tried to talk to him. He's like hey so you saw alien. I'll talk to presidents picture. I have a doctorate one other name that has been on our show. A lot is philip. J klass he's another guy who did research on this and poked a lot of holes. He didn't always do battery search. He just if he was one of those people that if he couldn't not explain something he went off the deep end of of making shit up right he did a good job of looking in some of the things that ryan would investigator might have done differently. And things like that. And i'll have a couple. Pdf's of his research to kinda poke holes in this. And why is it. Always that the sordo. Everyone's seen this photo. When it comes time to find the photo hope disappeared and this guy is crazy. not crazy. who knows it. Falls down to recollection of the dying woman in third party tale. That's what this is. The kid charlotte had heard this. She got it from her grandmother. Who wasn't there. Yeah so. I guess i first off in you know as you follow the the chain of events we have to believe charlotte that her grandmother said this and i obviously don't have any reason not the people that have talked to her in do believe that she was told this. This is a story that she's been told but that that's my point like i you can. Everyone can I mean obviously we're just trusting the the sensibilities of the the researchers that have talked to her. Let's let's trust him less. Trust say you know the biggest challenge with this and i. It's the challenge with everything that's hearsay is. It's a game of telephone so we're talking about. We're talking about the original witness telling his family then that being stretched fifty years and then that that wife recollecting that to her grand grandchild and then the grandchild retelling it to the rest of the world so it even i know reasonably that people are lying But so everybody's telling the truth you still. You still are dealing with a You we don't know how high the fidelity is on the story at this was either nailing or not though you know if the story is true so there's not there's either a crashed if there was a crash plane or crashed military something private something secret top secret in as we've seen them do it wouldn't surprise me if the military crash something when ush everyone's here pulled out the alien dummies and went with aliens. You know what i mean. Unfortunately they've done shit like that and then the people that have done shit like that are going out on other podcast now and being touted his. Oh this guy's great. He's a fucking lion piece of shit. Meanwhile meanwhile it was really just the early test runs on the Stealth bomber some really early test trends though. Hey we say they're ahead. I mean though the the sr sony one nineteen fifty eight so this was not that far off from craziness you know as far as flying it. It's it's there's so many things there's there's no photos we can see. There's no living people that can say they were there anymore. The paperwork from the fire department is awesome. The have but it doesn't prove anything sadly and like you said it's just grasping at straws whether that was the right event or not though. That's a hell of a coincidence if it wasn't if true keeping secret for that long is hard when there's so many people but it doesn't sound like it was kept that well it just didn't spread outside of the town. Which isn't that hard to believe. Nine thousand nine hundred forty s small town usa. We have the ability to go well if we were traveling right now and we went to cape you might go to the local bar and be like so everyone know about the all it. Dave yeah limit. We've you yang. Where do you come out on it. What do you. What do you think Is the no reason to believe any of this shit. I'm about to say and this is what i believe. Charlotte is probably telling the truth. She probably had heard this story your whole life and wanted to tell the story. There might have even been a photo. The fisk part is crazy to me. I don't know aliens. I believe that her dad probably thought it was. I don't know if that has anything to do with it or not. You know and he probably told the story as he believed it to be true so then that comes down to. What did he really see. And i don't know could have been a crash of aliens. Perhaps i would love to say yes could have been the military throwing a story on top something. Yes because they've done that before now. This would be an early early early case of it and maybe they went to do it again. In nineteen forty seven and then they go she had. This is getting too big. Don't call aliens time. You know what i mean. That's why the change their story. I don't know this informed roswell then fast forward a few decades and they're just like i don't know we'll call aliens again. Give them a ride. There's not enough evidence for me and this was investigated by people that that were big names. Ryan would and stanton friedman philip j class. And there's not enough to know one way or another but it's a fun story and unfortunately that's all it is right now and it could absolutely just be yarn as you said And i don't think unlike mr would thought. I don't think we'll ever know. Yeah where i come out on it. So i'm gonna start backwards. You know one of the things that you said that i agree with. It's like what the fuck do you do with this whole walter wayne fisk thing and i chalk that up to i think all of these stories whether they are made up or whether they really happen to do whatever extent they really happened you now cover ups or or all. These stories are kind of like a nice piece of a nice by stake that you're about to eat and you drop on the ground still a nice bite of steak but up some hair along the way and i think a lot of these stories do that. There are extraneous details that make the entirety of the story. Sound false because they're so obviously false but if you cut those details off because they aren't pertinent to the whole of the story It it can actually lend credence to the story so for me. I just throw the fisk thing away. They charlotte's not say anything about fisk tried to reach him wouldn't talk that's all she knows. It doesn't change the grandfather's tale right. It doesn't change the fact that somebody saw picture. Those facts are immutable accordion. Well at least according to the story you put it. Really well brent. I have no facts to support this. However here's what i believe. I do think there was a crash. I you know there's just enough kind of like little little pieces of info here and there. And i one hundred percent think that it was some sort of you know Top secret we were getting ready to enter war We we news on the horizon. We're working on a lot of top secret stuff It crashed outside of cape gerardo and the military whether they actually cooked up an alien story or perhaps they just covered it up and it turned into aliens via the game of telephone. I don't know which one of those it is a whether it was purposely aliens or not but regardless it was I do think that there was a cover up. And i do think that there was a crash. I just don't think it was aliens. Here is ten cents worth of free advice. If you have pictures of an alien then keep that. Shoot or make copies and give copies away jack asses that is solid by probably the most useful advice that that robot is ever given yeah. I'm one hundred percent with them and always blows my mind. When someone's like. I had this picture of something and i gave it to this guy. Now he won't return fucking phone calls or he's deleted it well. Why the fuck would you do that. You know those those stories must be getting a less. Frequent always happened in the sixties when it wasn't easy to make our forties when it wasn't easy to make a copy of a bright red lipstick at the door says he needs to have all of our photos. I saw god damn coins bearing his aunt. I think i'm gonna give them to him. Why is he wearing lipstick. So yeah you're right brand but in but nowadays obviously you just snap a photo of the photo with your phone upload it real quick and you know i mean it's in thirty thousand places before you know you've you've gone from the kitchen to the front door to answer the door. I have a little bit of a story that we went through so we had talked about on the show before we had a gentleman Reach out to us and he cleans basements. He does stuff like that. He got in a box of the slides. Old slide in the by in he goes by god. I have no way to look at him and you hold them up to the light. Think there's fucking. Ufo's on this shit. Can i m t. And i said sure so. I had them digitally done that unites in. You know you take them in. They scan them they put them on the digital and sure enough. It was what appeared to be you now. They weren't real you know but they were chosen. This is when chris cox was actually with mathon and my can you help me figure out. What's going on in the fun and chris and they came back with. It looked like someone was working on faking photos like it was their their work. You know what i mean. They're test runs like working on it and it's an interesting way looking back in the day. How they did this stuff. Take that part out before. I sent it to chris before since that i went online and i went on read it and i went on places and i said listen. I have these slides that were given to me. I don't have any verification of of their there'd pedigree. I don't know where they came from anything like that other than they were to be. He didn't even know which basement they came out of. Because they were in this giant pile of shit that he'd gotten that he'd never went through. You know what i mean. He cleans out and things that look like they might be worth he'd set aside instead of junking and that's what they were in so they could have been there for six months and could have been there for a year. The consensus was giving the fucking photos. Let me see him. And i'm like. I'm not gonna do that 'cause i don't know what they are. I'm not gonna do that. Give me the photos. I'm not gonna do that. I just oh if you had these and i'd already reached out to the university of chicago photography department and things like that. I'm asking do you guys have someone but i could. I could give me the photos. I'm not going to give you the fucking photos. I'm not even gonna show you the photos. Because i don't want that because let's say that they are fakes that were made by someone famous. I wanna make sure that racks the guy who gave it to us got the the the credit because he's got it. I'm not going to give away something that's not mine. And that's all people would ask for was giving these photos. Give me these folks. give me the fucking photos. I'm not gonna help you. Then great. Because i don't want your help of that's your help is give it to me. I'm just asking for for free advice. Of where should i talk to you. You're not who. I wanna talk to. You're not a photography expert. You're not who i'm trying to go with. It's it's frustrating. When people are that way and i think that the ufo community is inundated with with the me. I type of. I thought you were thought you were going to different direction. I thought you were going to say that you that you posted the photos in in a bunch of places and they'd be released upon your death or something one and put them online and then people released them as their own or share now before you send to them off to move on. I'm sure you already had copies of your own absolutely and i have hard copies. They still have as opposed to as opposed to so many so many of these stories. They send the pictures off the like. We never got him back. Only make copies edit not only. Do i have the originals. I also have the copies on disk. And i have copies on our dropbox. Our shared folder of the the actual pictures themselves as well right. That's that's the point like that's just commonsense. You did it. You did the thing and why in so many of these stories. They don't do the thing who knows. It's also a small fortune to have old slides made digital. So that's fun. Learn that along the way to cheapest place to have done. Costco didn't know that either account and now you kids know why we have a patriot on. Yeah yeah exactly. So give us money so we can make more slides over. We look at slides from vacation. John's last vacation. You know why we have a page. That's right so anyway john. That's our thoughts on cape girardeau. It's an interesting one. I'd love for it to be true. Something probably did. Crash wasn't aliens. Yea sure absolutely little grace. Little grey way good wineries. They're in heaven right now because of their christian burial. That's all that matters that you take away an wineries so if you guys want to tell us what your thoughts are if you've heard of these stories if you have your own small town america alien story or death bed confession story. Whatever it is we're gonna tell us hysteria nations where we collect. All of our deathbed confession stories. Just go to facebook and search hysteria nation. That is right. Also facebook dot com slash hysteria. 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Oh i'm gonna. I'm gonna go with miko with one wasn't down there when we were down there. But one of my best friends. Ashley he still going gonna see him. And i'm gonna talk about blue. That's fine. That was mind. Son of a bitch. I want to say before. He says he couldn't call me copycat. God you're such a copy is a great location isn't it. it's so fun. Yeah it's really cool. It's a lot of fun. Blue sky. Vineyard yeah yeah. That's that's mine. Too van yacob's I like their wines. The most fun place to go to. But there's so many of them annoy your in in missouri. Go at some. if you're in trenton. New jersey go. Hit up a winery. If you're in poughkeepsie new york. Well you're at the center of the heart of everything and you already know that. So with that. Said i've been brent pinch conspiracy but stay. Woke meet sex. Look that's it for another addition of hysteria fifty. One john and brent will be back next week we've yet more of the unexplained the unexplored and the unheard of. 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Ep. - 260 - BEST DOCUMENTARIES AND DOCUSERIES
"Welcome back to another episode of Reality Life With Kiki. It's no secret that I love documentaries. The great thing about documentaries are that they give us an essence of real life gleaned from the assemblages of historical footage photographs, talking heads prerecorded audio and the normality of a day in a person's life, they provide us with an opportunity to understand and connect with the world. They help us engage with one another around the important issues of our times. You know much like this week. I've assembled a list of the best documentaries and Docu series to watch and categorized them into several categories politics recent Culture Society Families Music Religion and Crime and I'm hoping that there is interesting insightful, and in some cases inspiring as they've been for me. I'M GONNA post this list of my facebook group and on social media as well, so don't worry if you can't remember the name of something I mentioned or where to find it so here we go. These are my favorite documentaries in politics category the fog of war. This is an Oscar winning documentary. It's a long interview with former US Secretary of defense. Robert, McNamara, concerning his reflections on his political career, particularly is influence on the US involvement in the Vietnam War. It's similar to his memoir. In retrospect, any offers his view of the conflict and the. Nature of war in general so to put the Vietnam War in a larger context with the twentieth century American history. It's available on Amazon I. Actually watched this one of my first dates with my husband. This is one of my favorites of all time. It's called the war room. If you're somebody who loves politics, it's a great window kind of into the world behind the scenes of a political campaign. It's nineteen ninety-three film about Bill Clinton's campaign for the president of the US during the ninety two presidential election. It's available on Amazon and itunes. The Times of Harvey Milk so long before the pen won an Oscar for milk. That director picked up the same trophy for best documentary with this incredible portrait. Of Harvey Milk, he was the first openly gay member of the San Francisco Board, of supervisors, and the first openly gay elected official in California. History is is political. Career was cut short when he was assassinated. San Francisco Mayor George Moscone at the hand of their colleague Supervisor Dan White, but his legacy has endured longer than his brief tenure as a public servant, and his courage and passion for Social Justice has inspired countless lgbtq lgbt activists in the four decades since his murder. It's available on Amazon and itunes. Inside the White House nine eleven. This is hard to watch, but it is a must watch so in the summer of two thousand fifteen, the national archives publicly released never before seen photos of the Bush administration, reacting to the September eleventh attacks in response to the freedom of information, ask act request on behalf of frontline, so as this short report shows the shock, horror and gravity of the attacks can be read on the faces of President George W Bush Vice President Dick Cheney, their wives, Laura and Lynn National Security Advisor Condoleeza Rice C. I. A. Director George Tenet and the other senior Bush and Cheney staffers. It is really really compelling and I recommend listening to my episode with author. Garrett graff the author of the only plane in the sky, an oral history of nine eleven afterwards. It is. It's again. It's pretty powerful. These are the ones that categorized under race and culture. The first is the central park five in April one, thousand, nine, hundred and nine twenty eight year old tricia mainly was brutally assaulted and raped, as she was jogging in New York City Central Park that same night, five young men, four block and one. Hispanic were arrested for suspected gang activity in the park. So after hours of interrogation coerce confessions. Two teenage boys were charged with assault robbery, rape, sexual abuse, and the attempted murder of Mealy, so what ensued was media firestorm in which racism within the confines of the courtroom and on the front pages of the city's tabloids led to the boy's convictions. Ken Burns Documentary, Co directed with his daughter looks back at one of the most notorious criminal cases in recent memory, a decade after another man confessed to committee MMA crime and the central park fives convictions were vacated. That is available on Amazon and itunes. Thirteenth filmmaker Eva vernay provides an in-depth analysis of the ways in which the US prison system has functioned as a vehicle of institutionalized racism and inequality. It aggregates footage alongside moving interviews from a long list of brilliant academics, activists, politicians and men and women who have experienced incarceration that is on net flicks. Sixteen shots just a few months. After the death of Michael Brown, another midwestern city was rocked by the police shooting of seventeen year old Kwan McDonald, who was shot and killed by Chicago police officer Jason Van Dyke the circumstances of that shooting, and how the officers on the scene and people in power throughout the city attempted to control and cover up the narrative in its aftermath are the subject of the documentary account from the director. Rick Rowley it is streaming on showtime whose streets told by the activists and leaders who live and breathe in this movement for Justice who streets is an unflinching look at Ferguson uprising. That is available on Hulu. Fire fraud is a true crime. It's pretty much a comedy. Exploring a failed music festival turned Internet meme at the Nexus of social media influence late stage, capitalism and the morality in the Post Truth era that is available on Hulu. Let the fire burn this quite personal because it took place in Philadelphia, and I actually watched it on television, as it happened as a child so in May of nineteen, eighty-five the. Police Department attempted to evict the members of the black. Liberation Group move from the row house in a residential area. The group resisted and police unleashed gunfire tear gas and explosives on the home, which officials with the permission of the mayor and district attorney opted to let burn. Five children and six adults perished in the blaze, which also destroyed over sixty homes in the neighborhood. So this documentary account relies. Less on present day interviews narration focuses instead on the events as they happen presenting a meticulous tiktok of infuriating abusive power. It's streaming on canopy. I'm like I said it is. I still remember that still remember it was awful. This is called Paris burning. This is a documentary focusing on drag queens living in York City and their house culture, which provides a sense of community and support the flamboyant and often socially shunned performers groups from each house compete in. Balls that take us from the world fashion. That is sometimes hard to find you kind of have to. Poke around so I was having some hard times finding to this week, so tell me if you can track it down. The September issue, so it's RJ Cutler's documentary which focuses on Anna Winter Renaud editor of vogue as she prepares for the September, two thousand issue to seven issue, two thousand seven issue, so it's weighing in at a record eight hundred forty pages. It's their big issue. It's the most important issue, and it's just sort of behind the scenes of how they put together the issue. It's available on Youtube. I tunes and Amazon. This is a section I. Have Categorizes Society. Up this is something that my friend Hillary recommended to me. It's fascinating. So in nineteen, sixty four, Michael apted profiled fourteen children for the Granada. Television special seven up. Viewing the group as a representative of England at large across the country, socio economic system, so every seven years opted returned to a subjects those who chose to participate anyway to see how life had changed for each one, and how their dreams fears and philosophies evolved with time the up series now includes eight films fifty six up, was released in two, thousand, twelve and apt, his stated his intentions to continue with the project, so it remains a fascinating study of how class plays a major role in British culture, but also how the human experience is one that is ultimately universal despite the specifics that we encounter as individuals. The Queen Verse Cy is a two thousand twelve American documentary film by Greenfield the film depicts Jackie Siegel and David Segal owners of West Gate resorts and their family, as they build their private residents Versailles one of the largest and most expensive single family houses in the US and the crisis they face as the US economy declines. That is available on itunes and Amazon. Leaving never land. This is a difficult one to watch, but it will stay with you. Leaving Neverland is a two thousand nine hundred documentary film directed and produced by the British filmmaker. Dan Read I of Intra viewed Dan read. It focuses on two men wade. Robson and stream save chuck. Who alleged that they were sexually abused as children by the late singer Michael Jackson that's available on HBO. This is one of my favorites. It's called finding Vivian Mayor. It's a critically acclaimed documentary about a mysterious. Who secretly took over one hundred thousand photographs that were hidden in storage lockers and discovered decades later, and is now among the twentieth century's greatest photographers. It is directed by John. Lewis and Joe Charlie Charlie Cisco. So mayor strange riveting life and art are revealed through never before seen photographs, films and interviews with dozens who thought that they knew her including families that she had babysat for. It's really really interesting. So currently, her body of work is being archived catalog for the enjoyment of others and for Future Generations John. Lulu is at the core of this project. After reconstructing most of the Archive, having been previously dispersed to the various buyers attending that auction, so with roughly ninety percent herber archive reconstructed. Her work is part of a renaissance in interest in the art of street photography that is available on Amazon itunes and Youtube. This section is under families. The I is Grey Gardens so grey gardens is in one, thousand, nine, hundred, Ninety five American documentary film by Albert and David Measles in the film depicts the everyday lives of two reclusive former upper upper class, women, a mother and daughter, both name Edith Beale who lived in poverty at Grey Gardens, a derelict mansion at three. West End Road in the wealthy Georgia, upon neighborhood of East Hampton New York there have been many spoofs done of. This is a fascinating watch. It's available on Amazon, itunes and Youtube. This one's called the wild and wonderful whites of West Virginia. It's a two thousand nine documentary film directed by Julien. KNITS, Berg, crony clean. The white family of Boone County West Virginia. It is available on Youtube an Amazon. The family I had. This is going to stay with you for a couple of days I. Trust me on this one it is. Fascinating and confounding so thirteen year old Paris strangled and viciously stabbed his four year old sister S. seventeen times in a fit of rage in two thousand, seven on Super Bowl Sunday. Ella and Paris's mother charity was an only child herself. When her father was murdered, her mother was arrested under suspicion of organizing the mafia hit so in Katie, green and Carly Rubens Harrowing Documentary by the way I've interviewed the filmmakers the family try and comprehend the inexplicable, and it's an appropriately devastating watch. It's available on Amazon. Dear Zachary the I had a letter to a son about his father when Andrew Begbie was murdered by his girlfriend. Shirley Jean Turner Internal Turner announced that she was pregnant with his child. After his death filmmaker Kurt Kyun plan to make a visual scrapbook dedicated to his son Zachary so that the boy would know how much his father was loved by his friends and. And family but a tumultuous custody battle between Turner and bags, species, parents and sued leading to a shocking twist in the family saga, so hyun decided to release the film publicly turning it from a collection of home videos into a beautiful and touching portrait to a lost friend, as well as a staggering and heartbreaking true crime documentary is available on Amazon and itunes. Three identical strangers, this is a famed reunion of triplets separated at birth, taking disheartening twist when the three begin to seek out the conditions of their separation as infants. It is a true Tour de force of the ability to documentary to capture the shocking circumstances that could only be crafted by life itself. It's available on Hulu and Amazon. Capturing the FREEMANS. Andrew directly set out to make a lighthearted co documentary about birthday party clowns, but when he began researching one of his subjects David Freedman, he discovered a more interesting and disturbing story. Friedman's father and brother Arnold Jesse had been convicted of child sexual abuse in their long island hometown, so calling together interviews with the police that investigated the Friedman's and the victims and the case and combining those conversations with the family's home video archives, capturing the freemans offers a compelling look at a family falling apart when secrets and lies bubbled up to the surface I can find that on direct TV. There is something wrong with Diane. This one will haunt you. I'm just warning you. It is a two thousand eleven documentary film directed by Liz Garbis about the two thousand nine Tacona Cognac State Parkway crash. It's available on Itunes Youtube Hulu and HBO Max. Okay these are my favorite documentaries. Under the sports category, the first one is called Hoop. Dreams must watch one of the best of the best. This is an Oscar nominated feature film from Steve. James, which follows tube boys in Chicago William Gates and author Aggie, so over the course of eighteen years of their lives, there recruited from their inner city high schools to attend the suburban Saint Joseph's. Westchester Illinois and play in its renown basketball program. So Hoop Dreams depicts the culture shock that they experienced in this predominantly white high school to which the chew. Boys commuted ninety minutes every day. Q. Imagine that ninety minutes every day. It is a modern masterpiece of documentary film. Making the film stirred controversy when it was shut out of the best documentary category at the Academy Awards. It's sole Oscar. Nomination was for best film editing which is highway, robbery hoop dreams is the best in the best. Okay! This one's called. Hickories, and if you have not watched this, you need to write it down and watch. Hoop Dreams and tonight. This is bonkers. This is absolutely insane, so it began as a project from Brian Fogel in which the documentary filmmaker wanted to go on a doping regimen for this. How route race to see if he could allude the races intense drug-testing? He'd always do well in races, but could never really make it past a certain point, so he just thought I'm going to Mir. The Lance Armstrong. Doping Regiment and see what happens. But what is not is as he makes contact with a Russian expert in doping. He soon becomes embroiled in the biggest. History as expert turns out to be the mastermind behind Russia's doping of the Sochi, Olympics. It's like part dark comedy part thriller. It's exciting fascinating, but it truly stranger than Fiction Watch. You've got to watch this. This is on net flicks. Now this is called the ninety-niners now the ninety-niners and dare to dream on HBO are the same topic. Both are awesome and oddly. I watched them when I need to get like excited about something. If I need some motivation, this is the what I will watch I'll just watch clips of interest to get myself into his own. So in the US women's national soccer team went to France for the two thousand nineteen women's World Cup. They were rightfully accompanied by swarm videographers to help catalog and preserve their record-breaking win. In one, thousand, nine, hundred and nine, however, the most compelling footage of the team was captured by team co captain and self appointed videography. Julie Foudy who had helped capture an inside look at the tournament that was capped off by Brandy. Chastain, historic penalty and celebration in front of a crowd of ninety thousand at the Rose Bowl that's when she kicked the penalty goal runs down. The field drops to her knees rips off her shirt. It's such a great moment, so it's interspersed with clips of eight of the team star sitting on the same grass in Pasadena and reminiscing on the cultural significance of the tournament, so it provides a behind the scenes. Look at the team that burned William Soccer into the national consciousness at the turn of the Millennium. It's really. Great Watch! This heartbreaking it's called at the heart of gold. It features dozens of interviews with survivors. It provides a gut wrenching look at the decades of sexual abuse by former USA gymnastics doctor Larry Nassar, so it's it's just together. The many complex threads its director Aaron Lee car. who also did a fantastic documentary called I love you now die I love you now die is the documentary about the two kids that were texting each other and sort of a romantic textual, if you will relationship and the one girl eggs, the boy, Michelle, Lee Carter Egged the boy to kill himself, and he actually did so. So it's a it's a great. Director Aaron Lee car the one I just mentioned his called I. Love You now die on HBO, but this one is called at the heart of gold. It's also on HBO. Ultimately the film access this powerful forum for the courage of hundreds of young women that lay bare. That Nassar's scandal was much bigger and more sinister than we suspected. This one is a great one. It's called Tyson. It's Mike Tyson story in his own words and it's shockingly. And you will see a side of him that you would not have expected. Again, it's called. Tyson and it's available on Amazon. One day in September will stay with you. It's a haunting. It's a documentary film directed by Kevin McDonald from nine, hundred, Ninety Nine, and it examines the September Fifth Nineteen seventy-two murder of eleven Israeli athletes at the nineteen seventy two summer Olympics in Munich Germany. It's available on Amazon. My cousin actually is an art director and movies, and he was the art director of Munich which many of you are probably familiar with with which is the Eric Bana Film about the same topic, but the documentary is. It is. marvelously marvelously done. And I cannot understand how any one who is involved with the Olympic Committee can stand. Tall knowing that these families will never get the recognition that they deserve. Those athletes were murdered. Horribly on television and they have tried very hard to kind of sweep that incident under the rug, so please watch it. It's called one day in September. This is one of my favorites, too. It's called Billie Jean King portrait of a pioneer. It's on HBO IT profiles, the remarkable life and career of tennis legend Billie Jean King both on and off the court. She's spectacular person. She has done so much for women's sports. She has done so much for women's rights. She's such an incredible woman. An icon in her own right definitely watch that. When we were kings, so in October Thirtieth Nineteen, seventy, four, it was perhaps the most famous heavyweight championship boxing match of all time in Kashasa. Zaire the rumble in the jungle. You've probably heard that. Between champion George Foreman and challenger Muhammad Ali. It's both tribute to Ali in an evocation of a bygone era. It's about the transformative moment when black flexing its newborn pride encountered black Africa. It's. Listed among the best documentaries of all time must watch. Beans Serena I loved. It was on HBO just last year. It's a look at how tennis legend Serena. Williams takes on pregnancy and motherhood, while still being the most dominant player on the court, I think everyone can identify with part of it. There's this one scene where her coach says to her. You've got to lose some weight and the only way you can do that if you stop breastfeeding. and. It's just this moment that we all can kind of relate to where it's like. Yes I get it like the child. Some point will stop breastfeeding, but it's such a personal incredible experience, and when it ends its, there's like an emotional. There's an emotional part to that. That's really hard to let go of so I really recommend it being Serena. This one. Is My absolute favorite in the sports category. It's called unguarded I. Just interviewed. The feature the person that's featured in this. I saw this documentary. It's an ESPN thirty for thirty I saw it on a plane on a Sunday and I interviewed him on a Wednesday I tracked down I just was so compelled by it, so it's called unguarded. It's a gifted athlete from Fall River Massachusetts Chris Herren was a basketball legend. Before even left high school after troubled yet outstanding career, at Fresno State, he eventually fulfill his childhood dream of playing for the Boston Celtics only to lose it all to a devastating addiction that nearly killed him, so it's Award Winning Director Jonathan Hawk chronically. This powerful story of herons relies fall. Fall really and rise and redemption. It's a must watch unguarded. By the way all of these sports ones, you don't even have to love sports to enjoy them I. Promise you if you're if you have a partner spouse, a friend roommate who loves sports. Any of these. You will enjoy just as much I promise you. This is under the music category now. I have to qualify this by telling you. I'm not really a music person. I'm more interested in the people that work in the music industry, so the story behind the story, and that's why I love documentaries. That have to do with music. The first one was called amy. I'm sure everybody's familiar with Amy Wine House. She had a voice that sealed her destiny as music icon at a young age, but our fate became more twisted than anyone could have ever imagined. This is a heart wrenching biopic de stigmatizing. Party girl record, providing a second look into this once in a generation talents, personal life and career as well as a retrospective into how the world lost her. It's available on Netflix and Amazon. Miss Americana is the Taylor Swift Netflix documentary. It's kind of behind the scenes of. He eight month period just another interesting kind of like behind the curtain perspective. Madonna truth or dare that one. When it came out, everybody kept talking about it. It was so salacious it was so often card. It was so ahead of its time. So, it really is kind of like. A window behind. You know behind the curtain kind of look at Madonna. It obliterated this line between her private life and her public persona. She did it provocative bump and grind on stage then backstage fillets on Evian bottle in between explicit conversations about sex with her backup dancers. You can only imagine how many years ago was this twenty five years ago? How everybody was like what in God's name? She's old like awkward encounters with old friends and family who remember her as a working class kid from Detroit. It's really the first of its kind because she was sort of. Narrating it, she was forcing the audience to question who Madonna is so that line between for performance art brand building had never been so thin and I think that many artists have sort of mirrored that. and. That brings me to homecoming a film by beyond. Say So. It's her two thousand nineteen concert film about her performance at the Coachella, Valley Music and Arts Festival. It's written by beyond herself. It's beautifully done. It's so pretty, but you kind of. Really get a sense of how hard she works I mean she works hard, and she is obviously the mammoth star, and rightly so, but it window into what it takes to be an artist. This one. This one stayed with me for a long time. It's called shown what your main of it's a behind the scenes no-holds-barred. Look at the popular band. Backstreet boys as they discussed the rise to stardom. It's available on itunes and Amazon. And some of the most poignant moments are when they all go back to their hometowns, and they sort of off the band aid, and expose what it was like to be a young star, but the the details of their own personal experiences, and in some cases they're really emotionally. Deep like for example when. Nick harder goes back to his town an EU. It's the moments where he doesn't say anything where you now that the emotional. The emotional toll that being a star that young took on him, but also the abuse at which he probably faced. It's R-. It's really well done. All right, this section is on religion. The first is called Holy Hell. Holy Hell that was one to watch I did this while watching A. we're doing a puzzle early into quarantine and was transfixed, so there are a lot of documentaries about colts, but it's this one's really engrossing because it, the film hails from will. Allen documents is personal experience as a member of the Buddha field. Colt for twenty two years, which was led by this mysterious man who went by the name Michelle. And by the way he's still alive, and he lives in Hawaii, because all co-leaders eventually end up in Hawaii, and he wear, he would wear meet Doger's, and he would force the people cold to do ballet's I mean it's. Czar so it also makes it, so fascinating is the fact that will allen the director. He served as the group's official videographer, so there's a bounty of footage from inside the Colt that is contextualized with present day interview interviews with former members, so there are many twists and turns to be found as the story unfolds and. Basically you know with Meg Liam, maniacal leader? Of course, there's tons of footage, so he was so self obsessed that when you watch the footage, and then you hear about their personal stories, the juxtaposition of this like narcissist with the deep pain of the member former members it's it's quite something to watch. And you're also confused by. His bizarre teachings, and how kind of people went along with it? It's something to watch. It's available on net flicks. Scientology going clear must watch. It's on HBO Guineas. Going clear is considered the definitive scientology documentary through a history of the religion of founder l Ron Hubbard, and it's manipulative and life. Threatening policies under current leader David miscavige. F. L. D. S. profits pray it's Amy Berg's film taking on Warren Jeffs Leader of the polygamist fundmentalist Church of Jesus. Christ of Latter, Day Saints. He's actually currently running the Colt from a prison. If you can believe it where he is serving a life sentence for raping two teenage girls, it's available on showtime. I also recommend listening to my episode with Rachel Jeff's one of his daughters and the scientology, also just to go back to that I did interview the executive producer of Lia remedy show. And? That was pretty eye opening as well so go back and listen to that. The Peoples Temple the life and death of peoples. Temple Stanley Nelson's tribeca winning documentary centers on. People's Temple leader Jim Jones. Who established the Jonestown settlement in Guyana he famously carried out that Ma suicide with what people called kool-aid. At the time. He poisoned ninety nine hundred eighteen members in one, thousand, nine, seventy, eight. It's also fascinating because it follows the story of the. Congressman from California and his staff, and the the members of the media that went with them to Ghana to film, the people that were there and to film Jones, and as they were leaving, they were. Approached by members that said in notes that were kind of passed to them on the sly. Please help me get out of here. So while filming began as This thinking that they were all fine. They came to the realization that these people were actually in dire situation. And in the course of events as they tried to leave Guyana with some of the members that requested to leave, they were shot down, and most of them were killed by members of Jim Jones Group of like the vigilantes, basically one of those women that were a member of the congressmens group Survive Jackie Speier. Congresswoman California she's incredibly inspiring but she's one of the people interviewed. I recommend it highly of course day that she was shot down was the same day that all the members were coerced into drinking. That That drink and you probably remember in history of the helicopters that flew over Guyana and just the scene of the people laying there. All laying there most of the people that were parishioners. Were poor, and from places like San Francisco and they had given up all of their things to move to guy on to live in this sort of commune, and had the best intentions and unfortunately perished. It's awful, but a must watch. The family children of God. This is nineteen, ninety-four Johnston. Smithson film it interviews. One family about being raised in the family, which was a cold in which sexually abusing children was common practice. Rose McGowan and Joaquin Phillix. Born into the family afloat with relatives when they were children. This is available on Netflix. The Branch Davidians Waco the rules of engagement. This is William Kozaki. ninety-seven Oscar nominated documentary looking at the Ninety Three Waco incident with the branch Davidians, which was a religious cult, run by David Koresh in ATF raid, led to a shootout and fifty one day FBI standoff that resulted in the deaths of crash and eighty, two of his followers. That is available on net flicks. Okay, this section is crime. The first one I'm to mention to. You is what I would love for you to watch. This one has stayed with me for a long time. If, YOU'RE A mom. This is going to be hard to watch, but it's a must watch. It's called the Cali browder story. So originally broadcast on spike at this is the story of the horror of rikers island is is a hell on earth where young men are turned into criminals whether they like it or not. People of crimes like high school student, Khalif Browder. Who can't afford bail have to sit there and wait for trial. So in rikers gang warfare rules and browder refused to pledge allegiance to a gang, leaving him open to regular beatings. He was at rikers, even though he was completely innocent they they've charged him for taking for stealing a backpack with no evidence, so he was there for three years. Two of them in solitary confinement, so a story should be one that makes every single American angry, and yet rikers continues to destroy people like colleague, Browder who committed suicide in two, thousand, Fifteen, forever destroyed by corrupt broken system. This is available on net flex. It's hard to watch, but you've got to watch it because. It his story needs to be told and he's one of all of the. Parents adopted like thirty kids. Just the sweetest kid and his life was destroyed. This one is called Manson Family Manson Robert Hendrickson Lawrence. MERRICK's nineteen. seventy-three Oscar nominee dominated documentary provides an intimate look at the Manson family with interviews with Charles Manson and his former members plus footage that takes viewers inside the families. Devils Canyon compound. OJ Made in America this is a two thousand Seventeen Oscar winner for best documentary feature as elements five seven, our expose on the life and legacy of OJ Simpson examining the football star's rise and fall, and the murder trial that ripped the country apart in the ninety s so rather than focusing solely on the murders Nicole Brown, Simpson and Ron Goldman and the subsequent trial. This incredible documentary places the Simpson Saga in a larger context, highlighting the ways in which you just said more about race in American culture than any other event that took place in the second half of the twentieth century, available on Amazon and itunes. Conversations with a killer Ted Bundy tapes. This is on Netflix. So notorious serial killer Ted Bundy was unique because that he he didn't actually confess to his crimes, which included the murder released thirty women until the days before his execution, so it's a four part Docu series, and it pulls from an interview series in which he agreed to speak in the third person like all cowards do. Analyzing the kind of person who may have committed the crimes attributed to him. This. The story infuriates me. I recommend listening to my episode with Kathy Kleiner She's one of Ted Bundy's survivors. She's one of the most inspirational people I've ever met in my entire life. She goes minute by minute, and tells the story of what happened when Ted Bundy entered her Sorority House of Florida State University how some of her sorority sisters were murdered that night, and her improbable story of how she not only survived that attack, but how she went on to face her fears and to overcome incredible circumstances. That is fascinating interview so again look reality life with key Casey interviews. It's my interview with Kathy Kleiner. Amanda Knox. This is also on Netflix. You're probably already familiar with this case. Her roommate was murdered in Italy. And she was blamed for it and served time in an Italian prison. It is a framed by exclusive interviews with with with the subject yourself as well as those intimately involved in the case, it chronicles the murder of her roommate and the subsequent investigation trials and appeals regarding her apparent involvement. The devil next door. This is. A perplexing story in Nineteen, seventy seven. The same year that Amazon show takes place by the way in Ohio. Man named John. Demjanjuk? It's really hard to say. His name was accused of being Ivan. The terrible one of the most vicious, an awful guards at the Treblinka camp during the Holocaust, so after years of denials he was extradited to Israel where he stood trial, and the case remains controversial to this day. So, just recently photos surfaced again from sobibor that reportedly featured him and this detailed documentary offers both sides of the story, because there's a great deal of evidence suggesting that he was an SS guard, but probably not Ivan the Terrible, so that archival footage is riveting, especially the testimony of Holocaust survivor staring down their greatest enemy. The disappearance of Madeleine McCann also a net flex. This is also great to watch. Because a subject was actually named in the disappearance yesterday, so hopefully we'll get some answers. It's an eight part Netflix series about one of the most fascinating disappearances in history in May. Two thousand seven three year old Madeleine McCann traveled with her family to a resort in Portugal so one night while her parents were at dinner, not far away, she was taken from their room, and the ensuing investigation and media fury was like nothing anyone had ever seen. Smith gets into the case in more detail than any other project in history, ultimately revealing how shoddy police work in a rush to justice to accuse her parents likely allowed criminals to get away. Don't F with cats hunting in an internet killer. I. Don't even know how to describe this it is. It's there's serial killer. WHO This web of Internet sleuths kind of uncovers beginning with the a video of doing something to a cat I can't. It's so hard to discuss not discussed but describe. You've just got to look it up and watch it. It is bizarre. And fascinating the same time don't F with cats hunting in internet killer. Dream, killer is about. A gentleman who worked at the Columbia Daily Tribune Missouri he was murdered outside the office and for two years no one had any idea committed the crime. Until a young man named Charles Manson claim that he had suddenly remembered hobby murdered him something that came to him in a dream, and as he told the authorities he did it with Ryan. Ferguson, there was almost no evidence and Ferguson did a decade behind bars. Because someone he knew how to dream. It's a terrifying story of demented injustice that peels back the layers of how wrong this case went under the watch of prosecuting attorney, Kevin Crane. It's called dream killer on net flicks. Killer inside the mind of Hernandez also net flicks so in two thousand thirteen Aaron Hernandez will on the roster of the New England patriots decides to kill Odin Lloyd. And the investigation into that crime revealed that he may have committed a double murder just a few years earlier in Boston, so it's Gino McDermott's three part series, examining the details of both crimes while also offering theories as to why Hernandez committed them, including the impact of the death of his failure, possible brain damage from playing football, and even the suggestion of closeted homosexuality. So. That's a really interesting watch. Making murderer, so the preponderance of true crime documentaries on Netflix's can be traced back to this massive success in this late two thousand fifteen series, by Laura Cardi and more demos. It is the story of Steven Avery man who spent almost two decades behind bars for crime that he didn't commit and then possibly committed a murder. Could he have been falsely accused twice, or could he be guilty of the second crime? Questions still swirl around this case that ignited something in the public interest so much that Napa Netflix even created a follow up series in two thousand eighteen detail further developments in the case. The staircase this one you'll think about for weeks and weeks afterwards, so was picked up and added by net flex. It's actually a two thousand and four French miniseries that many true crime fans point to is one of the essentials of the sub genre and. Is a riveting case. The death of Kathleen Peterson whose husband Michael was convicted of murdering her, despite his protestations that she fell down the stairs, so it happened in December two, thousand one, and instantly became a major case with authorities, believing the Peterson had bludgeoned his wife, and then staged the scene to look like an accident. He said that she fell down the staircase. The reason the staircase is so powerful is that it's exhaustive spending time with Peterson through every phase of the trial and yet you're still going to be be left. Feeling uncertain about what exactly happened that fateful night on staircase. Who Killed Their Garrett Phillips is really not just true crime, but a real window into recent our country so on October twenty fourth two. Thousand Eleven twelve year old Garrett Phillips was murdered at his home in Potsdam, a small town in upstate New York so police quickly zeroed in on a subject in this unthinkable. Crime Orel Nick Hillary a black man in the most mostly white community who was a soccer coach at Clarkson University and the ex boyfriend of Garrett's mother. Tandy Cyrus there's no question in my mind that he did not commit this crime, but he was. Basically He was basically framed for it. It's on HBO. It's called who killed Gareth Phillips I actually had a police officer a detective from Boston Review it from a for a former previous episodes. You can go back and listen to that, too. Okay, these are my favorite docu series. These are ones that are going to suck you in their great to binge, and all of them are interesting in their own ways, so the first is tiger king. I did it behind the scenes interview with with a reporter that spent a week, a show, exotic zoo and then. It. Then, began a podcast that very very famous, and then from there. People were interested in creating the Netflix series. So listen to that episode because it's behind the scenes with extra information. If you're not familiar with it, it is a seven episode series. That's crazier than the last to say the least to the point where you're going to be finding yourself seen multiple times. Can't weirder than this like. This is to hit the weird limit. So tire king follows the exploits of Joe Exotic. He's a flamboyant and extremely confident owner of private big cat zoo in Oklahoma, and the story of Joe Exotic as I said a stranger than fiction involves lies, guns polygamy a bid for the presidency, a murder-for-hire for hire plot I mean, and it's all true. It's crazy. Objected in plain sight I the words nuts bonkers crazy. What in the world come to mind when you watch this true crime documentary? And it is done by Sky Boardman. I actually interviewed the director and the troop to producers of this. Go back and listen to that episode, so the narrative follows the Broberg family, whose daughter Jan was abducted, not once, but twice by their neighbor Robert Berchtold, who they call be the details of those abductions certainly fall into the realm of stranger than fiction, but the methods that he used are that of a true monster and Predator. Who ripped the Broberg family apart simply so he could get to Jan.. The stories details are jaw-dropping, but the overall narrative is far more unnerving abducted in plain sight on Netflix. This one's on that flex. It's a great great show I. Remember Telling Jenny McCarthy and Donnie Wahlberg. Go Watch this I promise you and they've been shit. I believe all in one weekend. It's called Formula One drive to survive, so if even if you're not a formula, one racing fan and I was not I'd never even spent a minute of my life watching Formula One racing. Race, and and now I am because of the show, so it's a Docu series that takes the entire scene season for racing, and condenses it into its best moments and story lines with each episode approaching Iranian angled divorce, simply from WHO's the best team or who's winning in the standings instead the filmmaker finds unique angle in every episode whether it's the teams to drivers who don't get along a driver who struggling with a series of crashes manager. Who doesn't know how to get the best performance out of his team. It's really appealing. The curtain back on the sport wishes making so much money and to just find out. What do they have to eat? How do they go to the bathroom? During the race? All of the minutia that goes with one of these races. It's really fascinating. The keepers this will stay with you for a very long time. It is a Docu series format. And it's. Also done by net flex so. The show delves into this mysterious disappearance of a murder of non sister. Kathy says Nick. She was murdered in nineteen sixty nine in Baltimore. And examines the circumstances the many suspects and the other relevant aspects of the case. It's revealed that says Dick may have uncovered horrendous sexual abuse that was going on in an all girls Archbishop Keough Highschool specifically women came forward with allegations that two priests at the school, most prominently Father Joseph Maskell had been forcing female students to perform sex acts on him and others. The theory then was that sister. Kathy was determined to out and put a stop to the abuse, and then was murdered in order to silence her. So? There are two of her students that have worked tirelessly over the last few years to uncover what had happened to her, and they are at the heart of this film. and. Jane Doe who comes forward for the first time to reveal herself, and to really talk about what had happened that the hands of Father Joseph Maskell. It is difficult to watch at times, but it is a must watch, and it's also in some ways a love letter to this non and two nuns, and general for the incredible work that they that they do, but at this particular non, and how much she touched the lives of her students again it's called the keepers. I did interview Jemma Hoskins, which is one of the two former students that is investigated her death, and I recommend listening to that episode as well. Atlanta's missing and murdered I interview the producers. Pretty recently I think maybe last month. So between one, thousand, nine, hundred, ninety, nine and nineteen, eighty-one, at least thirty African, American children and young adults disappeared or were murdered in Atlanta although twenty-three-year-old Wayne, Williams was prosecuted for two of the crimes. The rest of the cases were ultimate link closed following his conviction in one, thousand, nine, hundred, eighty, two, so forty years later with the official, reopening of the case by our beloved Atlanta Mayor Kisha Lance Bottoms this five part Docu series tells the inside story of this shocking tragedy shocking. How could this happen? How could this happen? Over A three-year period? It sheds new light on the these horrific killings through exclusive. Footage, unseen court documents and interviews with those closest to the children and the investigation. This is available on HBO. The inventor, so this is Academy Award winner Alex Gibney, he also did Enron the smartest guys in the room, and going clear as I had mentioned above he directs this documentary investigating the rise and fall of Theranos the one time multibillion dollar healthcare company founded by Elizabeth Homes. She is the. Sort of Sandy, haired girl, always worse, black turtlenecks and his big eyeballs. So in two thousand and four Elizabeth homes drops on a Stanford to start a company that was going to revolutionize healthcare. In two thousand fourteen theranos was valued nine billion dollars, making homes who was touted as the next Steve Jobs, whom she was totally obsessed by. Youngest self made female billionaire in the world now just two years later theranos was cited as a massive fraud by the SEC, and its value is less than zero, so it's draws extraordinary access to never before seen footage and testimony from key insiders director. Alex Gibney will tell Silicon Valley Tale. That was too good to be true. The drama of Real Life Heist Film. It examines how this could have happened. Who's responsible while exploring the psychology of deception and that is on HBO. The last dance is one of the most well done series I've ever seen. This is a ten part series provided an in depth. Look at the Chicago Bulls Dynasty through the Lens of the Final Championship season in ninety seven to ninety eight. The Bulls allowed an NBA entertainment crew to follow the team around for that entire season, and some of that never before seen footage is featured in the documentary. In addition, ESPN spoke more than one hundred people close to the team and personalities who experienced the run exploring all angles of the Jordan phenomenon episode. Nine is enough for your jaw drop. It is so good and I have to say again. That I interviewed Michael. Jordan's biographer Rollin Lazenby. It's my very favorite episode I've ever done. So, check that out, too, and we talk about this series. Wild wild country now if someone comes to me and they're like what do I have to watch this weekend? Like what's the one thing? My first question is always had you seen wild wild country, so it's a documentary series about the controversial Indian grew Bhagwan Shree Rajneesh sometimes people called him Osho, and is one time personal assistant Ma Non Sheila and their community of followers in the Raj Nash Perm Community located in Wasco County Oregon. This is the first time in a cold sort of meld in. Western capitalism and eastern mysticism, so people who are educated. gave all their money to the sky who dressed up like Z., Z. Top, and all of his pushers where? monochromatic outfits with medallions with his face on it. This guy had one hundred and twenty rolls royces and Rolls Royces and no one bought a thing about it. I will leave you with this. The the series opens with people rolling out a red carpet while others feverishly US dust busters to clean that red carpet while others are playing flutes and recorders by it in order for him to walk down the red carpet. It is bananas, so we please watch that wild wild country on that flex. Cheer is also a net flicks. It is a six part series that follows the nationally ranked forty member Navarro College. bulldogs cheer team from course contexts under the direction of coach Monica Aldana as they prepare to compete in the national cheerleading championship, which is held annually in Daytona Beach Florida ye inside. Look on what it takes to be a competitive cheerleader in college. Oh my God. These kids what they physically put themselves through is nuts. And the I think the most. Important takeaway are. These incredible kids and their tenacity and their. Drive to succeed and there's one jerry in particular that will just have your heart melt so that's called. Cheer and it's on Net flicks. This one I really love I've recommended this a ton of times. To people especially if you love sports, it's called qb one beyond the lights. It's a two thousand. Seventeen began two thousand seventeen. It's a documentary web series directed by Petersburg and each season focuses on three high school quarterbacks from different backgrounds as they played their final season before they move onto college, and I just got scoop I was talking to a babysitter. My neighborhood, who said that she had just graduated or brother just graduated from Modern Day high school and the football. teams quarterback is going to be in season four of that show, which is great, because it's local and maybe I can hunt them down for an interview. Huby one St. they've just completed filming season for I. Recommend Personally. Jump in season three, like I did, and then go back and watch it though in season one my own high school Milton Hershey School makes a brief. Appearance So qb one beyond the lights. I'm hoping this is a helpful list for you. I'm eager to hear which ones you love and have loved especially after maybe coming across from the show. Let me know what you think and again I'm going to post this master list, so don't worry if I've gone too fast. You've missed something. You're looking to find out where you can watch something don't worry. I will put up. I want to thank you for your time and I'm wishing you guys a great week. It's obviously been a very difficult one, but I'm really confident that we're all. Really, GONNA come out of this stronger. More empowered educated and and and hopeful and inspired after after. You know really it's been weeks, but most most importantly this week. And so I want to remind you to itunes and subscribe to the show. Leave a five star review. Join the facebook group. Reality Life with Casey. As I mentioned, I will put the list of these documentaries in that group. You can find me on twitter at Kate Casey. You can find my instagram at CAPE KC a jump into my instagram, too, because always posting who what guests I'm going to be interviewing in the future, so you can send me questions that you want me to add to my list. And I also have a pastry on page with bonus episodes, so you can go to. Pat R. E. N. Dot. COM Slash Casey do. True Crime Reality Television anecdotes, etc.. But I'm wishing you guys a great weekend. I can't wait to circle back with you next week and Speak to you soon.
Victor Lucas Is a Video Game Industry Treasure - Kinda Funny Games Daily 12.19.19
"What's up everybody? Welcome to kind of Funny Games daily. I'm Greg Miller this is Victor Lucas How you doing? I'm good. How are you? It's great to be here to be here with you. I know very much. This is your show for Thursday consumer nineteen twenty. Love this dude we we love you victor. We're so happy you could be here. This is great. You know what I mean every time you come through send you a little text and often. It doesn't work often. I'm Outta the town. You're going to be at a time when he came over and you couldn't come on On electric playground with suck. 'cause I was away I know you guys had an awesome event. You're on your world tour right now what we did over done now. We're at okay. Was the final stop. That was it for twenty nine home epic so proud of you and congrats on five years by the way thank you dope. Remember everybody January. Thirty two thousand twenty twenty two. I know what those those milestones mean. Yeah you know better than most everywhere you know better than most people. It's a very epic thing to build something thing and watch it grow and and what's cool for me is I keep coming back and it's bigger every time there's am. The rooms are a little bit smaller. There's more stuff out out of this. Space is awesome. But what's with you victor. I mean if you've missed Victor Lucas before Kinda funny. Yeah period. Because he's been on a bunch of stuff electrically around of course my brand. I've been doing it forever. Twenty five years. This was that honestly at the end of this year. It's twenty five. Full years have been all the threes adulation there thank you. And so it's a surreal thing when you hit twenty five years of the same email address at the same job most part personally. Of course everything has been different as we've grown from a weekly show we went to a daily TV show and then we had all all kinds of growth that way. Yeah and then we've had shrink down a little bit in this sort of Internet age and you have deal with Youtube and streaming and But one of the things that we did this year as we moved into cafe space at the Vancouver Film School so awesome which is an actual public space. That people can come and watch the show in and of course all kinds of incredible guests come through Vancouver uncover. They're working on movies and TV shows and video games and comic books and I've been able to tap into that so we've had people like animators from Spiderman into the spider versed. Uh David haters been on SAM has been on a garbage. I love that K- t- terrible garbage on kind of funny because it's great and I love of days gone by the way I thought that game was awesome and I thought I wasn't going to your favorites a- It's great to have this this forum where people can come in You know chat chat with everybody. That's been my favorite thing because I remember not the last time but one of the first times you came through especially when the new studio it was right as you were like pivoting and I'm doing youtube for the first time I I don't know what I'm doing I I still don't sort of watch. You grow in thrive going from TV and having been thirteen guy forever. Yes because I mean that's how I knew you. That's how I and I know that's how Canada knows you you walk the streets. Candida Europhobes. Celebrity people have grown up watching you. It is surreal and that really happened when we went daily. Well you know when we were a weekly show it was on the weekends and you had to be individual games when we went daily and started talking about all kinds of other entertainment. Suddenly families were watching the show together and I could palpably feel that whenever I walk around and I still get a little bit of that because people were on for so long yeah. I'm grateful to all of our partners. That then all the viewers that have been watching. Yeah that's always my favorite thing when you come by the fact that the chat in the comments are usually put on either the victim who is being like. Oh my God Lucas. Because they know you and they've again bet you've been doing this for so long doing it so well Oh and also you're one of the few people in the games industry. No one ever talked shit about. Everybody loves me. I had a little shit at this year. which is even that like? I think it was the normal thing where it was Okay clearly this isn't every started going crazy understandably. Yeah and it was like all right cool but that's not what Vick we do know. That was the whole thing. That's how vic would do this. Yeah Yeah it as an entrepreneur and I know that you're you have the same kind of perspective is what when you build something you know hard it is to build things. Yeah so when I interview people or I critique things I have that perspective I have that kind of awareness fairness that people don't set out to build shitty things and so you don't have to come in with this binary kind of attitude that this sucks and this is great. This sucks and this is awesome and so much of honestly. I don't want to throw shade at Youtube but so much of what I see on Youtube is is that it's like people just want to pile on the want to celebrate something too much or hate hate something too much. You know. It's funny where we have a bunch of inside baseball questions later about values and how it's all comes together but I do think that a lot of that comes with Youth in not knowing exactly what you're doing so I don't mean you in terms of age but in terms of I'm going to be a reviewer I'm GonNa Review Stuff I look back at my reviews from two thousand seven to two two thousand ten thousand dollars in cringe because like I m being mean and I m being. I am ignoring how long it took these people to make something. Because I didn't know that at the time and that you also want to set set up a you're setting up your own boundaries. On how you're going to look at this stuff as well you're defining your viewpoint and all you have is that moments moments in time and that feels like a totality. It feels like I've got a really greg whole life so I know what game and then Game Rule Ford another five ten years ears and your perspective changes for sure but you know honestly I I say this a lot into People that watch our stuff is Take these opinions in and get to know the individuals which I still firmly believe could Cisco Niebuhr were you know they were the the guy. That's that's what I based reviews on the run on which it was a key part of what electric playground heart and soul was. They were The Best of the In the game and they really understood how to use their personalities to help flavor their material and you get to know them as individuals and you would sort of base your opinion on that and I think that's still holds true to this day. I think it's really important into not just blindly trust any viewpoint or any brand but get to know the individuals and see how your tastes align and then you can kind of use that as a a bit of a guiding star for what you're gonNA sample one hundred checkout. That's the power of what we do now. Right the fact that you go to youtube channels podcasts websites because you like personalities you understand what that personality analogy is the fact that you know to using example from kind of funny this year on the subway one of our best friends was able to go in and post. It'd be like moonlighters. Greg Miller ask game name and I looked at that and I'm like they know me incredibly well so I am is amazing. 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We're actually coming into that one very and the rest show What I mean Jon Favreau Polonius guy there? Have you have you every episode. And no no. No I did not like the The ATS village. Okay you want to episode with everybody's wearing super clean outfits and stuff anybody watch star wars every dusty dirty pretty kind of world and it just looked like back lot sort of casting. Yeah interview for where The New Star Wars by the way tomorrow now not mandatory in a rise rising skywalk walk in which we both saw. You've seen it twice twice and we'll talk about that. Yeah I liked me to don't spoil anything I was okay. I liked it a lot. I can't believe the reviews. Its getting I think. Ah I feel like the. This isn't even like Batman. V Superman where. It's like I get why you don't I now see why it's a bad movie right. People are taking all of the hatred that arose out of the last year and they're trying to over correct and sort of say you know. Get into the safe zone and say that this is crap and that's ridiculous it is not crap it's definitely messy Z.. Because there's a lot of You know ret conning of different ideas that have been presented a pre across the last couple of movies but There's a lot of good fixes says in this movie. Yeah a lot of things that make things make more sense and most of all. It's just a lot of fun and you can. You can tell that everybody Really committed you. No it's visually amazing movie as well. I can't wait for people the people to see it. Yes because I literally woke up yesterday and look at reviews and I was like what do we see the same things things yeah. Solo has a better rotten tomatoes score than this. I know so low I know. Don't get me started talking about games. There was fun but totally forgettable right. Yeah exactly yeah outside of vision from Solo. I remember thinking Patriarch Producers. BLACKJACK and Mohammad Mohammad. Today were brought to third upstart an Logitech. But I'll tell you about that later for now. Let's begin to show what is an forever will be the rope report due to time for some news. Kubiak I've missed this year. It's been a long time since he did the report. Jingle it's good to have you back four items on the road what is it. Why is it called the roper? Report Chris Reggie Dot Com. Oh really yeah when we when we win when beyond got founded and I was one of the founders on it he would give the news so it was like the Roper report. Okay so we kept that after Kris. Yeah and he's still with us. Your your work the playstation very happy as a lovely family. Very much alive. Chris Chris Thank you. Thank you very much number one on the rope report. We have some xbox series series updates number one. It's quiet this is Michael High over at Gamespot. Our exclusive talk with xbox boss Phil Spencer. We learned a great deal about just how powerful the next xbox series x will be a GP eight times faster than the base xbox one in twice that of the xbox one x a CPU said it'd be four times more more capable and an ultra fast envy 'em lower case E. whatever the hell that man solid state drive is this all gibberish. UPC It's all gibberish. and honestly. I don't like when we talk Audubon new consoles in connection to old consoles. Yeah we we shouldn't ever bring up the xbox one or the xbox one x who cares when that's the only benchmark we have I know but they they should just be like look at this shit. Look we can do now. Who cares how it compares the xbox one it's also nebula back to Michael Noah Games well aside from the SSD which virtually silent? You might be wondering about how the series x will handle all that power whilst cooling quiet in general terms Spencer described the consuls cooling system saying quote what the team did and you see it through the top grade is we went with one central fan in the design. He continued what this design does with the size of the fan that we built around around. Is it lets US match. How quite the xbox one X is with all that power inside of the box? It's not as simple as deciding on type of cooling system and running with it. Of course as Spencer explained quote there's always tension between design Acoustics Cooling and the function of the council. And we were not going to compromise on function. I'm just incredibly impressed with the design that they came came up with Spencer went on to describe how he's been using a series at home and that it's acoustic profile helps it keep a low profile even for people who've seen it in action he claimed quote if I don't point it out it just sits there and play video games the way I want it to you and I never hear it just like how I don't hear my xbox one x welcome to video game news in December everybody. We're talking about how quiet a console I've said ever show this week. Why are we here? Why isn't anyone? Why is he doing any work in the video game industry? I mean I. We're all intrigued. We all WanNa play with the toys. We all want to see what these things can do and You know certainly we're all kind of curious about how this technology all comes together together and how it works and how noisy it's going to be but it's not really that exciting. I think no I heard you not as you're not the biggest fan of PC AC gaming. No no we just read Sir sure sounds like me sick to my stomach. de-block eleven eleven and says envy m e non volatile memory expresses in interface protocol built. Especially for some already sleep. What who cares are making the Internet? Go fast that's all. I need me. The porn played a better quality of Michael. All right cool. Thank you greg. He's working on it. I'm mainly wanted to use it as a jumping off point. What did you think of the xbox one series xbox series? Here's what I think about. xbox I think that the smartest things that they've done is Really focused on on the backwards compatibility letting people sort of carry their archive in their libraries bruce forward and also recognition that wants the connect debacle was kind of done. A lot of the shift in focus has been to say look. We need to invest in some more games and the other thing that excites excites. The hell out of me is that xbox is trying to get to people wherever they are so exiting is very exciting to me the fact that they're doing partnerships with ten defected. MLB is going over to xbox. There's a lot a lot of really good momentum in inclusion in this business and Microsoft I think is honestly leading the charge which I am very very fired up on one hundred percent. The machine looks and sounds cool. But I think we're going into a A post hardware kind of era. Not Getting that right. Yeah Yeah and I like the look of it. I think it's it's it's a cool reveal I think the series XS a as a brand is a little confusing manage sort of remember. It's xbox yeah this series x model flooded opens up to other series series. Check right and then we're getting into a position of like where do I jump. Ah That's been. I think the major problem video games for the twenty-five years that I've been reporting on them is like people don't know where to go like where where do I jump into. Get the good stuff. And then everybody's in these isolated little camps all the time and everybody starts bickering and fighting instead of. Have you played this amazing game right like the way that people talk about. Maybe Not Star Wars right now. But the way that people talk about P- other pop culture totally they just get into it was so easy theorized John like even even. I know this sounds crazy but you know in the marvel movies. Yes where it's like. Twenty three movies is that what it is is is a lot of movies. But at least you know and you can look at it when when I was like. What clone wars episode I watched and Disney plus sent me this color coded chart like through multiple seasonally even for me like that just looking at that like monumental as I can and that's what video games are like marvel? You bring up a great point. Marvel ultimate alliance. Three was a great game this year. Now you had to be in the switch ecosystem to check that out. Even you know I was talking with the marvel guys at the screening Arosemena. What yeah awesome dudes? And they've been doing some awesome work. I Love Spiderman. I was my game of the year last year. Your smartphone Martin. That's a game that should be on every damn system anything you can put a controller into. You should be able to play that amazing game that insomnia with the power of playstation. Now I know we're getting in there. I know right. Yeah so I. I'm super enthusiastic. About what Microsoft is doing what playstation doing and I hope that Nintendo has a pro model of the switch. All of that would be very exciting but I also feel like. Let's bring more people into this party. Yeah that'll be what's GONNA be fascinating about Microsoft's approach and what could be fascinated by playstations approach. They've just been quiet wider. Yeah but Xbox with X. Cloud and with game pass and with all these awesome services they have you know if when they launched this. It is as simple as my friend is like on. I'd I love to play it up but I'm not gonNA buy an xbox controller and by the game on the streaming service and you're an we play together that's just it's so it's kind of tragic. That stadium has launched with all of these stumbles and bumble symbols. And it's pretty cool check. Check it out. Oh Yeah we have stayed in the room. Yeah it works right. Yeah have you played it live while you've been streaming on the same Internet like yes that blows Manella Manella now we're we're like streaming live stream game plans the last player but they've been doing shows and I've been playing in the other room okay. We've been doing that like plenty gray no problem because this is something something we talked about it as a astros here we talked about it yesterday. There's more stay good news coming up. We talked about it yesterday and it was a mixed bag. Kevin was talking about how he had struggled with. Gary we'll let's see we're down. I'm like I've had in the back room really bad connections in the front room. Fine at home destiny. I can tell us not one to one. But it's not unplayable by any stretch of the imagination. Yeah I just I liken can into like Fanta Vision. You know like there have been which cool games. But there's been a lot of launches of systems. Yeah where they've been a a little less than welcoming been they've been a little bit of a letdown. Nintendo sixty four like good like a good sit hardware and good hardware but it's taken a while for the the value proposition to kind of make sense and that's kind of where stadium and right now you know but it's too bad that it stumbled out of the gate like this because suppressions matter. Mary ex exactly and I feel like a lot of people's opinions on streaming technology is is going to be colored by this for a long time but That's why has the staying power in the money and we're GONNA talk about saving a second but just as conversation goes. That's why I still think X.. Kat is so important. It's great because ex Scottish and he's playing it knows it's in Beta so you're not seeing people bag on. Yeah Yeah Stop. And so when they finally launched that as an open Beta or whatever you know invite you whoever to bring your entire library on there it will be that. Wow factor that I had playing ex cotton like man. I'm playing gears years five and it feels great I mean I don't understand why Google didn't have some kind of purchase plan in place to buy a store that already had a you know a user acquisition kind of the you know thing there and people had a library of titles that they could then play through the streaming. Yep You know. I don't know why they didn't get into partnership with steam or or Geo G. or whatever ever you know there's lots of other op. And maybe they will but there are lots of opportunities throughout launch. I know you their their image is tarnished woah. Honestly for Here's what I would say to the stadium folks. I don't know if anybody from Google is watching but the all the founders should get a year I think that they should go back and say We we appreciate the feedback. Thank you for being there. Here's here's twelve months of neat because they're giving extra buddy pass going around. They should give a year and they should give more games and L. Win people back that way. Not that the service sucks and it's bad again. I think the tech works. Yes you know what I mean. I think it's only going to get better. Yes but it is. That does that matter. How many times can you evangelize something if you're if you're if you are the stadium? Faithful total bag online listened to remember the thirty s launch. Right now and the light of the light eventually. Yeah and they drop the price by one hundred dollars right and they gave all of the first Purchasers of bunch of Free Super Auburn intendo Games which was great. That was a very smart. Move Right it's like you are the the heat seekers and you're here I here you go. Here's some extra extra duties. Yeah Zeiger has your. You're wrong you're wrong just information. I think that I was looking for yesterday. Actually in regards to news regarding stadium destiny twos player basis dropped from nineteen thousand two weeks ago which is half half the size of the next smallest player base nine thousand today whereas other play play platforms have stayed consistent dropping ten players in two weeks not a good look when he sources Tom. Warren tweet here. No and that's the free game that everybody gets right. Yeah and I mean it's like the I mean it's one of the few things and now that it's such a nightmare because like I I like like Sadie as an idea right played it like I said works fine but like dark siders dropping. I was playing on the phone on my cool. It's too small for the phone and so it's like I emailed so when is it they are how close to the IRS. Are We then. I can play it on my IPAD. No response I cool at home. I don't have the chrome cooked up anymore. Because he was running really hot and I wasn't using using it felt weird having you just drawing power so I don't mind I don't WanNa put it together so it's totally one of those now. Wha- You I'm in the same boat I have it. I reviewed dark. siders genesis on the On on stadium. Yeah played it fine but I don't have the compulsion to hook it all up again. Jask yet I want to. I'm in for the shiny new toys. That's my whole career has been about bowel but I feel compelled you know and it's up to Google to make that kind of make make us all feel that way and honestly were that first generation of people that are going to be remotely interested in this and then we gotta tell the stories to get the other people in which is where their audiences yeah right but we got to be the people that are sending sending the word out that this works and it's cool you should check it out. It's a nice alternative or whatever. Yeah and everybody you know is kind of on the whole you know. Yesterday the conversation with Gary was in with Kevin was just like well. Can it be fixed one day. Can you turn that around and they bring up. No Man's sky destiny. How they've turned things around? That's such a different thing where it's like. Yeah sure the news got turned around Latte remember knowing sky when the patch drop for next right and it was like. Hey it's everything's fixed. That was time with an xbox release as well so there was like A. Hey here's the big news. Here's the big entry point unless Stadi- somehow gets like a gte the eight like a giant exclusive. They could be like. Hey boom everything works. They have one with redd debt. You know if they said but not exclusive no but if they said you get red dead if you buy the the starter starter pack. It feels so far I re read it. You've played red dead yes right. That's the problem is they. Don't do a lot of people haven't though and a lot of people that wouldn't jump into the console experience maybe are in the PC world. They can buy the game on steam. But maybe they would Were on the Rockstar store. But maybe they would be moved to pick up the stadium thing if you get all of stadium with Red Yeah. I think there's such a problem with you. Pointed out right like we're supposed to be tip of the sword. Yeah we're the enthusiasts were the audio visual listener whoever consuming the show I mean all of us talking community. Yes we're supposed to be tip of the sword to then get it like I was used the example of the we brought the we the home for my mom came down for Thanksgiving. Play the I want. Can you get this. I was like you've never wanted your I know. But that's how good it was the fact that you're here stadiums designed to be you for my friend Po. Who doesn't play that many games would love to not by the next piece of hardware would love to just buy the Games right but if we're all like that doesn't really work that well really yeah? There's nothing really going honest and one of the biggest challenges and you guys know. This is just. The setup is a pain in the ass kit supposed to be like logging. And but you you need to apps on your phone and again how poorly this launches Bam is that. It's just not user friendly in any way of like. Yeah it's like all right cool and it's normal thing of like the questions. I'm thinking of friends asking me different questions of us. I'm like you can use a controller here on this but if you did HD Computer Gaspar Gaspar. You need. I'll forget to again like I have excellent and I really have enjoyed playing ex God. I've played just I played more state. Scott Yeah but the fact that you know like I put. I was playing some ex but try stadium. I put the the phone into the dock and I started and it wasn't. I'm like all right. Fuck doesn't work on. I need to put the cord into the I have the Google Pixel in there. It's just like it's so half-baked and it wasn't launched as an early access and it wasn't long as Beta which colors the entire conversation. Yeah whereas as if he wants his early access and you still charge the money for it right cool. It's early access. I'm here because I believe in this product. I'm here. It would have been very similar. I think the playstation vue playstation said. Hey let's fix it right now the in this in this conversation they If they did something where they parted with steam and you could you could stream your steam libraries or game over if they said twelve months of of access to all the founders that changes the prescription big time. Everybody is going to be talking about the You know the great value. Add you know of of stadium if they said you know what every game we've launched. This holiday quarter is yours. If you're a stadium WPRO subscribers that changes the thing right away total some really quick decisions that they can make right now. Yeah turn this or I mean seem possible since everything does need to get. Yes ported over stuff you see how Portland's is only up till October. Yeah you know what I mean. It's like okay. Hey but like everything else you said. I think totally works what that needs and I don't think they're ready to do is a mea culpa like you talking about you need to come out in beyond camera again or send out a letter me like. Hey We got this wrong and you haven't seen that like I don't know how much you frequent read it over on reddit where they put up the this last week. I think. Correct me if I'm wrong. There was supposedly they do like. Here's your weekly update. They put it up and there was like from Google. Hey is not that much happened to this week. But we're saying we're still here Yada Yada Yada and the audience went crazy and they put put in there. The one guy went in and wrote his own. If you're not going to do I'll do it this game done this and Blah Blah and it's just like right. There is such a great snapshot of like not only. Is it all these products. We've talked about the system is just communicating with the audience. There's a disconnect between what the audience wants in I know I talk about. VR both quest and position of your too too much. So you've heard on my stories but it's night and day to go to the stadium in the playstation VR wanting to quest one because the VR ones are. Hey we're small all communities the developers are here talking to us. The people were making the stuff are talking to us. We're having these conversations. We invested our money. We know it's not where it needs to be. It's only getting better. Were so excited. Stadium Stadium is literally when when the founder tickets weren't going out the codes weren't going out going crazy and it was like yeah. We have been here since you let us preorder preorder in. You're telling us we still can't get this point now. We're hearing you're telling us there's no information there's all these arguments circling the wagons and trying to protect something instead of yea there are so many Up until this week right of like whereas borderlines is borderless coming this month let us know and then it was just boom. It's out by the way the only through October twenty four th or whatever good Lord only through October next year no like so the deal. Is that the lands that got released on Tuesday. Yeah such a time dwarf now sorry yeah is the borderlands. It's only I in terms of parity with other versions. Yeah he's only up to the patches so it doesn't have mallow take down it won't today today God. It's all it doesn't have mayhem for. It's like all these gentiles. Yeah Yeah yeah another but you know would sucks is obviously I know. She was on E. P.. I love her and she's a phenomenal. developer great person. And I've known Phil Forever. You know Gary said it and I know they're totally people. I want them to turn it around. I'm not saying put dirt on the grave or anything but it is like okay. This is just a struggle. Biologists says the the one I was talking about was the stadium community update for December thirteenth. All right well. Nintendo had the same issue with the three D. S.. So let's not forget that okay. The three D. S. was not. I'm doing well. And they had to change everything around and then it did do. Well sure I'm GonNa just talk about good stadium news good number two on the rope reports but before then I had one in here. There just doesn't matter it doesn't back to your man is it. A slow news also talked about how The one thing he likes about the design of the new xbox is that you're able to do limited addition wraps and one thing that xbox has been doing well over the last few years is limited musician awesome controller lots awesome different xbox xbox I have so many xbox controller number two the good news for stadium. I have two pieces of good news for you number one. They've acquired a studio. This is Brendan Sinclair a games. Industry is Alex Hutchinson and read Schneider's three four. A independent game development is over. Google announced today that it has acquired the payers montreal-based based Typhoon Studios and we'll make it part of the stadia team in talking with Games. Industry is about the deal Stadium Games and entertainment head. Jade Raymond says she was particularly we impressed by typhoons ability to put together. Its debut title journey to the savage planet out now in under three years with a modestly sized team. twenty-six is it out already. Yeah I think he dropped this week. Oh All right twenty twenty and I thought I saw reviews for for stopping also could be US sharing. It might be an early access. I was out of this might be. I'm not sure I'm not sure. It is December. It's hard to what kind of trust is and maybe it's just the game trailer. I saw. Maybe not okay San over here January. Twenty eighth twenty twenty on Wikipedia. I think it's maybe it's just yeah. I put up forty three minutes. So maybe that's just what I'm going to get which is cool. I know both read and Alex we had Alex on. ESPN earlier this year and Greg asked and those guys are awesome. And they're all in Montreal. Jade knows everybody in Montreal. So that's That's cool for them. That's awesome read. I don't know if you know this. But he's had A. He was at Ubisoft after he was a warner brothers. WHO's worked on tons of Batman Games? Yeah he was. One of the heads on the Batman begins game in years and so he's been around some really big triple as your experiences and and That's kind of what stadium needs. They need big they knew big titles they need exclusive titles they need developers working on. Yeah all right back to this I screwed up not out in twenty twenty but it is you and is forty three minutes of gameplay. That's why just get a point in the you're wrong you'RE GONNA win you're wrong. Don't worry all right yes. He was one of my worst shows of all time. I was so brain dead exhausted from other stuff right. I couldn't remember that if I was like this was. ps three backwards compatible PSU. I'm the playstation guy I hosted beyond for like twenty five. Have you go off beyond its output. The see also carry some impressive pedigrees show here like you said was the senior producer on the original splinter. Cell an executive producer on Batman Arkham night with plenty of AAA experiencing between while Hutchinson was a lead designer on the seems to in spore as well as creative director onison assassin's creed three and far cry for quote. They've really assembled a triple. A team. And the goal of acquiring the team is that it will really give us a headstart in making the system defining games. Everyone everyone is waiting for Raymond. Said this is a top AAA team of industry veterans who already have a great working relationship and were able to ship something quickly and they have a lot of great ideas just for the platform right. I like they're talking about quickly because clearly she knows like all right. Let's get some games however those ideas are just ideas when asked if typhoon would be changing how it makes game either to create experiences. That could only be done with Claude processing stadiums or to bulk up the studio to AAA staffing levels. Hutchinson can only say so much quote. We are just joining now so we haven't gotten deep into the discussions about what exactly's next but certainly I think we wanna stay relatively agile. We don't grow to be a monster team. That's what they were both telling me when I've talked to them about the studio they really. They learned a lot from watching their teams. Grow to two hundred three hundred people where you walk in and you don't know anybody anybody on the thirteen. New Hires imagine kind of had that I I would imagine. Russia bringing all. These kids Ed's rain to Sanchez. WHO's this I've going? UBISOFT since before splinter cell and watch them their teams take up more and more of the floor and then multiple floors at its. It's unbelievable how a big some of these companies are total and. Yeah can imagine that. They wanted a complete departure from that. And so I don't see these guys you know necessarily yeah and so they're you're saying aaa there's thrown that all around there. They have that experience. But I think we're likely these will kind of stay at the double a area and W level which honestly the business needs a lot lot more of and honestly stadium needs more totally the idea here. I understand that everybody would like them to come out swinging with their uncharted. RIGHT THERE HALO SHIRT THEY WANNA get there right right now again. We're talking to US yesterday. I truly believe that by the end of two thousand twenty. This stadia conversation won't be that they're not getting the right game. They're not getting the right updates. It will be its xbox waystation stadium switch. It's everything's coming on one thing that the thing and VR. I know but when you get to that point with stadia suddenly then AAA Games. Are there so now. Oh you have smaller games that have been turned quickly and hopefully knock on. Wood are great and are giving you a reason to play your Games on stadium and to be in the Stadi- ecosystem. Andy exist there right. That's what you need right because you're playing. Those now works really well. Maybe do sit there you go you know. Assassin's creed rock. I want that on that on here. Well there's a bit of an analogy to with switch rich right like I'm playing that rebel edition assassin's creed which is how's it rain. Sorry I mean it's definitely old. It's definitely a character models and stuff but the game plays is great black flag. You know how that one game so fun. So it's cool to be able to play that anywhere and Stadium Kinda delivers that too. There is resolution bump there is a You know Attack to bump bit but the fact that it works is really impressive. And if you've got Great Classic Games Stadium had two hundred games in in its library and a lot of them were classic games ran pretty damn well that would be a pretty compelling story right there. A lot of people miss a lot of these titles a lot of people because they make their their bet on one system or another. Don't get all of these. There's a reason everybody loves game pass. Yes cut in is is that reason. Why ten bucks a month and I get to play unlimited games and see and try things? Yeah you'd never play jump into and I know everybody's GonNa love playstation now very soon to like I think a lot of people have sort of been dabbling around with that included. This this is GonNa be the year playstation five right. They have to have an answer for game. Pass L. Some extent. And so what does that. Look all you need and Google needs this. I mean honestly. They need a an ability to download. Download the software if you want to and you can stream the software and that's what station and Xbox or doing steam is going to do. That Amazon is going to do the same kind of thing. Yeah Google is GonNa have have to break into that area if they WANNA compete at that kind of level do or they're going to have to buy a massive library or invest in tons of exclusives and then we're getting into this arms race which I feel can kill companies total right. Yeah we saw. It happened to Sega. Whoever thought that a world of video game hardware and where was gonNA exist without being a participant in that who ever dreamt that? I'm going back a few years for a lot of people. Don't want read about in their history. Read Console Wars. That's they've heard of. I ask your parents the other good piece of stadium. News stadium works on every comb. Chrome Cast Ultra this burn over android central. Yeah and actually. That's where I found it and then I just a stadium tweet. I'm GonNa read. Shut the Philip and central. I if you have access to stadium already we have some good news to share. We have role update to existing chrome cast ultras. That allow them to work the stadium. Grab your state controller since any chrome cast ultra and start playing on the any additional. TV in your house. I'm a An apple guy for the most part of that ecosystem longtime ago ruin so I have an apple. TV Yeah I don't know what the Hell I'm doing on the chrome cast for the stadium. Like what the how do I. How do I switch the resolute? Like I don't know what the Hell do you know. Like you have to stream off of your phone to the chrome cast. Yeah to watch a movie. It just doesn't make sense like in on Apple. TV TV you've gotTA settings button and you can adjust everything from they're not with grown cast and the fact that stadium needs a different thing and then the controller is also connected to your Wifi. It's crazy yeah you know it's it's it's not. I know that steady didn't want a console but I almost feel like they should have done a. I'm more stadia friendly. Put some branding box on A. They didn't want that but anyways we'll see I'm I'm very fascinated. Obviously a year from now play five X. boxes out and then the what does stadium look like what is it. What are we at with that? Yeah it's weird that something connected into your. TV is so dedicated to your phone. Like you can't use it without your phone. Yeah like it's just like sitting there. I couldn't believe it. Use It with a computer right. Can't you stream or google chrome yeah. Yeah but that's we're too. It's like it's on my. I'm just like you did it. And I was like resetting setting thing. That's what you know on the other side of all of this is the Apple Arcade discussion to right where you buy a game on Apple Arcane and you can play it on your apple. TV and you can have played on your mackin can you. I'm PAT and that's pretty cool advocates. Same that's right it's an. I guess we're apple people but it and that's that's what I want right. You've always for as much as much. Good natured shit is I give pc gaming. And that's why. I do what I do. And while of councils 'cause I plug it in it works yeah and it usually figures itself out out and worked itself out and it's not that I have to go download and do something but what. I understand automatic updates. And I'm not even doing the character of Greg Right now. This is a long time ago. Pc Gaming did break me. And I was like you know what I don't never again. Yeah it's brutal right now and it's why I love quest. Yeah put on quest. It's all works and I've got the riffs and I've I you know. The resolution bump is awesome awesome but the fact that you can go and play pistol whipped on rift Asan. It's great and it's beautiful and but you can play it on quest and there's no impact on your PC hardware. There's no cable. There's nothing. Inquest is insane. Yeah that's the the best way to get. VR Right now at one hundred percent. Yeah I number three on the Roper Report Rainbow six siege seeing a team shakeup Brennan Sinclair player over Games. Industry Dot Biz ubisoft entrusting Rainbow six siege to a new crew. The company today announced a that creative director Xavier Marquee brand director. Alexandra remmy me and Alexander Remmy and a few other members of the core team will be stepping away from the game to pursue other interests within. Ub off quote a certain amount of people who have been here. You're a longtime including savior. And I will leave the project and we have a new team already at the helm Ramey said in a video announcing the changes adding. We are under the impression that we are transmitting transmitting a legacy that these people. We could not have hoped for a better outcome. I think it is awesome. And I'm looking forward to being able to look at rainbow with the eyes of a fan and nothing else and quote Rainbow Rainbow. Six Siege Director Leroy attends off will lead the new core team and gave some indication as to where he wanted to take the game. The future quote we will start expanding the game the game universes he said if you look at player experience we need to stop thinking about exclusive features and start implementing inclusive features instead. What I mean is that we need to deliver content that will impact every player and the whole community rainbow six launch in December? Two Thousand Fifteen earlier this year. UBISOFT announced announced the Games player base had reached fifty million registered players. That is awesome. I was at the The last tournament that they had in Japan. The game is unbelievably fun super impressive. What a great story to to keep escalating growing? I interviewed a guy. I can't remember his name. Unfortunately I think long There's a lot of laurels in the a soft empire. Robert Brown throwing Dario hit it but he was wonderful because he came from game testing thing and he was a guy that just played eight hours a day whenever inside and out. Yeah and then. They gave him a design role and he just talked about it with such passion and knowledge and he was so articulate. And you could tell like it's under good stewardship there you know. Yeah and I. I love that whole story But I think what's impressive here is that there is a real recognition in that people do burn out and they got to try different things and I you see that happen all across the business. That happens a lot in the sports game world Israel. I think it's good for the companies as of these massive franchises to put out the press release and let these people speak to the truth of that and let people know that it's time to kind of get out of the way and let other people kind of rise up and take the the leader. I mean. Think about it right like it came out in two thousand fifteen so what they've been working on it since twenty twelve probably and so it's like to be it's now twenty nineteen twenty twenty. That's eight years. Yeah Yeah Yeah People WanNa move around and do staff you WanNa be on the same thing over and over again. So it's cool to see them pursue other interests within Yousof. They're not leaving the company they're working on. Whatever the next thing is you know? Whatever next Zyppah is yeah and then yeah handed off to other people who come in and like hey? We have a clear vision of what we're doing is it is about inclusion. Like that's awesome hard to do that. And a lot of franchises suffer suffer. When you take the key people that really know how to drive that ship? It's hard to do that but I think it's worth it and I think it gives empowerment to the people that are putting in the years here's And there is an analogy to star wars there right like fabric. Baloney have both kind of proven that they can be the leaders in there and if Kathleen Kennedy wanted to you know entrust trust that two people. Those would be two awesome candidates and same with Kevin. Faguy who I've thought about a lot with the marvel stuff he's delivered. He doesn't have anything to prove anymore right but but there are tons of people working under him at the MC you empire. Yep that would probably welcome the chance to be the new Kevin Begging Journal. Sure maybe there's I don't know not not going to run those companies for them but it's good to see those kinds of changes and and Honesty like that from a company. That's yeah and finally on the Roper report epic Games announced a new feature that they've already ruled out in some twenty. That'll be coming your way. First off coupons coupons are now available from special events in the store keep an eye out for ways to get campaigner ten dollars off your furniture future purchases on titles you may have even seen the first version of this with the creator appreciation event but more ways to earn them are on the horizon. Cool they also have a library. The grid view and Polish The library view was revived Revised to provide a more does dense grid. So you can see more games at once list view now more prominently displays. playtime time on size on Disk Bob Store for an optimization we've released a new storefront in performance optimizations basically this store loads faster and more quickly if you purchase it but the development progress they put critic reviews we've completed back in integration component development four including critic reviews on product pages and these are currently testing testing. We'll update you in this features live and then one of the most requested things wishlist. We're working to bring the wishlist whose store you'll be able to wishlist any offer on the store and you'll be notified of sales or promotions for this offer. This has been previously listed as a work in progress development but requiring more work than originally planned will keep you updated as we move the wishlist feature along. You don't play games so I don't. Yeah none of this really matters but I know I when the EPA game store arrived being someone here on the daily frontlines front lines talking about it I was very. I saw the torches and pitchforks. And I know the wishlist was a big part of. They were mad vic. It is amazing that the PC gaming industry got like console war right out of the blue people exclusive games exclusive to launch her. Why do I have so many launchers massive of issue for people but it is people have a real problem with that? I think it's amazing that the The quality of the epic game store experience has been pretty cool. And all these freebies the I hear from people that are have not bought a damn game at all on the EPA game store but they have an account here so now they have a library of like fifteen games or something and biologists points out update on epic in Steam Holiday Events. EPIC is giving away ten dollars. And it doesn't inspire until may first and then seems offering five dollars. If you have five thousand festivity tokens I know. PC gaming can be unbelievably the You know filled with asynchronous issues and and it crushes your soul sometimes but from a value perspective effective. What a time to be a Gamer right? Yeah I mean you could just have a massive library at your fingertips of stuff. That's on sale and as we move more and more to digital. Didn't you notice that this year like the sales from Black Friday till now and then certainly after Christmas like it just doesn't make sense to buy new games anymore. The if you can wait wait why would you ever championship. Nintendo's games are on sale which is unheard of. They never do that right. That gets crazy if you buy the digital all versions of the software you getting stuff at such a unbelievable value now. Yeah that idea of fifty sixty dollars in the states. Sixty sixty and it's is like eighty in Canada. It's crazy right and then while we say Australia's laughing I know they're upside down laughing at us. One hundred twenty nine dollars or whatever that if you wait eight you're okay. Yeah you know if you wait till the and then you can just you know catch up on a whole bunch of incredible stuff chain. Nobody's playing that game ascertains. Great Amazing Guy. I waited. I don't even know a couple of months until the hype and I finally started. Holy Crap. Awesome Yeah Tim told me I wouldn't like it is so good so so good. Is it my turn out almost trains. You're okay Vic. I can't wait to see what team lies to me about. Twenty twenty but next year so far away if I wanted something more or media say what came to the mom and pop shops. Where would I go Well the official list of upcoming software across each and every platform as listed by the kind of Funny Games daily show host each and every weekday do do. Did you do Tutu Yan. Thank you very much before we get into those games. 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Good Morning Greg and Victor Good Morning. Victor is someone who grew up watching you on judgement day on g four. Yeah I have to ask. How do you feel about modern video? Game video reviews and video game reviews in general with the advent of Youtube. It seems everybody and their brother has a video game review channel but as you were one of the Oh Geez. What advice could you give to people for doing this on their own today? I think I. I'm super impressed by the commitment to create video essays which I see a lot of on Youtube and I think people really approach it from writing a good script and getting all of the details in there and one of the things that definitely appreciate as people like a lot of games aims today. They take their time with their review to kind of encapsulate many many months of game being out there and they do like a a huge deep dive into the game. I like all of that stuff. One thing that I would like to see. More of though are Honest emotional impressions from people and how a game impacts them and also see them onscreen onscreen kind of role playing a little bit of that. I feel like we can get the features and I used to talk about this with all of our hosts on our shows we can get the features from reading the product pages. Sure her you know on the publishers. Were all doing a good job for breaking down what. What's in the game? What I feel I think connects with me as viewer? The most and and as a content creator is how does it make you feel and why does it make you feel that way and dive into a little bit more of that honesty. And that's you know what I endeavoured to do and honestly it was a lot easier for me to bounce off of another You know reviewer Tommy or Scott or band or any of the people that I worked with over the years Jose But it's been a nice challenge in an exercise for me to go what they're alone and stand there and trying to be off the cuff and be as you know I'm always just giving my honest opinion but also try to be as get as much information as I can all from memory and not a spin your wheels. That's what I've always found like I I've been on game cast that you're even with other people where it's so different different than when I would sit down to write a review or write a video review. John just sit here and do it get into it like this year. I think you see me starring notes on the show where I I never keep notes when I would be writing reviews and playing a game. Yeah I've never keep notes right unless it was a very specific thing of this guy's name or whatever yes but for the conversations. I felt like I needed to start bringing me and outlines all over the place. Then I'd forget things I wouldn't say things are. We have an answer to a question. I knew I knew the answer to Yup yeah. I did that for a ton of years. Actually when Tom and I started carded we used to do notes. And we'd bring them to the thing and And then I got into the habit of not needing them or not using them. Yeah sometimes I feel like I would like to have them but honestly I feel like what's most important is not to just relay what's in the game. It's what does the game do for you. You know it's really easy. To just you uncut footage the footage shows with the game is about you know or the so much information out there. About what a game is you know and that is hammered home by multiple the previews and multiple stories about these things. But what is the game. Make you feel your personal right. Yeah that's what I was talking about. When people come up to me I meet and greets or whatever? They want to do what we're doing and how they do. It's always like the drive is to emulate Alma start site. We're going to be right and it's like that's the easiest way to be overlooked. Yeah because there's a hundred other podcasts cash right there in youtube channels doing that you have to come in and be like what do I offer that. Nobody else can do in so at the very basis. What you're saying if you played that game and you can relate it to your life? How does that work one hundred percent? I mean I'd I just I I look to the legends Cisco Neighbor you know like the the show was it worked on a bunch of levels and what it did is it sort of broke down. Whatever movie's plot was which you can read in any kind of water on a yes or anything and that was boring? You know but it served a purpose when they went off off book when they got to the point of going back and forth. Yeah that was magic and when I was a young viewer and Co creating the the show idea for electric playground. I said that is what our show is it. It is that moment it's when it's passed all of the bullshit. About what the game is you know how to make you feel exactly you know. And what said that sort of energy in that interchange about you know and and you know opinions are subjective and every individual is going to have their own thing and so even the score and the and the thoughts around a thing is it's less important than the emotional sort of conveyance you know and it works best when it's a conversation but it can still work really well if it's just one person as well. Yeah cranes the usual talked. Northe- says Hi Greg and Victor. I know I have an inside baseball question as well. How does the process work forgetting forgetting review codes for games? I'm small content creator and was recently given my first review code for an Indie game which I'm extremely excited about. I was wondering how the process for big companies and amazing creators. Such as yourself works I think it's Persistence and being very respectful in your requests and Recognizing that people are super busy and and you know I get asked. Can you give me an access to this person and this person and I usually kind of turn that down and I think you're going to find a lot of content. Creators don't really WANNA share their their lists with people because it's of kind of an implied form of endorsement share. which you can't really expect anyone to do when you're building your brand but just endeavour to build your stuff and grow your voice and get better with it and and people are going to respect your commitment to that? Yeah I get used to the fact that you're going to buy your stuff you know and we're going to get rejected when you do reach out and then for sure but don't be you know you just you're not owned and you're you're not owed anything. No that was I mean for me personally. It works the same same way today as it did when I did this for the first time professionally as a at the Columbia Daily Tribune when I had it is that I wanted to play football so I went to e as website insight and I went to press and I went to the media contacts and I found one and I email Bama explained what who I was. What my call him was what I wanted to do with it? Sent me a copy. And I'll never forget that Fedex of the shoebox in my office crap this worked in. It's the first time it's happened in Yada Yada Yada in so like today. When inevitably some indie Games talked about or whatever's happened in like the you know bare don't WanNa code for talking and I don't know those people it's the same thing I go to? There was a twitter and look for contacting him up that way. Yeah I buy and the other thing too I think in this age of influencers and You'll see people opening special boxes and all that Sharia and it's it's hard not to feel like why. Why did I get that? Or how do I get that. Yeah don't waste your energy on Apple Shit. Nah Don't waste your energy on looking at what other people are doing or getting or whatever just build your own thing and that that will crush your own rewards awards in this. There's always a bigger fish. Yes there's always a better fit is you can't sit there and do that right because that's the thing like if I sat there and like was upset that I didn't get whatever ghostbusters box is going out. Or whatever like I see somebody at the Halloween horror nights for goes beyond my shoulder about that. I'm not asking why that person's got invited over me. I'm not who. Yeah I know you can make you my content exactly and then you you know one day you'll get something that somebody else doesn't get and and just know that that isn't the status quo or the thing that you can always rely on the you know I've been in this business so long. I've seen nothing but this again and the reward is being able to keep doing it that. Listen Yeah Victor. It's time to squad up. This is where one of you best friends writes in the Patriots Dot com slash. Kinda Funny Games. Give me your name username platform choice in why you need help in a video game I read here the best friends fine you. Everybody Plays Games together today. Mitchell George Need Mitchell. George needs help on facebook. He is part of the kind Kinda Funny Toronto Group. Toronto exactly rights. Hey Greg after your visit cerrone this summer some best friends and I decided we should have a way of organizing events with the Toronto contingent. We just had our first meet up holiday dinner and it was great catching up with friends. You Win old. If you're on the gray area search kind of funny Toronto in squad up up with your fellow Toronto Toront- TORONTO TORONTONIAN run to Torontonians. That makes sense Dr Tony Best Friends. Yes so if you're in Toronto and want to get together with some friends looked for the Kinda Funny Toronto Group yes not officially endorsed by Kinda funny. So they're saying I didn't do it. I love all of this. And that that's one thing that I Have great respect for and you know teeny bit of envy for is the fact that you guys have been able to using all of the awesome people that you have working here to create create this energy around in this community right constant. We just don't have that with DP. We just played I kind of cranking on as much content as we do. Who is much interaction as we can? But you know when you're building stuff it's hard to build and create community. You guys have done a wonderful job at being inclusionary with all your people were super a proud of best friends we've committed to and can create here. That's honestly the secret to your success as a one hundred percent. Let's check in with. You're wrong again. If you're watching live on twitch T- Kinda Funny Games. Your job is to go to kind of funny dot com slash wrong. Tell us what we screw up as we screw it up sometimes use give more information so I'm never sure what's going on. Nanno biologist says Nintendo specifically gave gave three DS first adopters in an ambassador pass which gave those players access to snes games. It was tied to the system though the transfer it to new Three D. model was it. I thought it was more than two. Wasn't it more than that manages. Rarely wrong okay. So biologists and antibiotics character and democratic. It's just a biologist better than to you watch all right People saying I'm right. Of course I am no big deal who says epoch is also doing twelve days of twelve game. Yes that's right and there's a switch thing with Cuba Games where you're getting a free game every day. You had to purchase one a while ago. Oh and then every day. That publisher is giving a free game. I think I screwed up and didn't get mine yesterday. SCRUDEM IT Steph. John Ad says digital game re digital game prices even on sale. I usually find this notice cheaper to buy games physically in the UK often by five to ten pounds gotta fix up pricing thing kebabs points out here. The Australian dollar does not have the same monetary values the American dollar under today's exchange rate sixty dollars a US is eighty seven dollars Australian Ninety Dollars New Zealand. It's still a bit more more expensive of course but you don't literally pay double the cost. It is shocking. You've been to Australia sure. But it is shocking to see those prices exactly but all I heard and that correction was just oh like. I don't know what I mean the baby Australia. I don't think it's anything actually pick. I don't know if it's anything today. We lost all of the Australian best friends. Trust asked me. They're used to it. They love it just says it was twenty. I thought I type twenty. So it's twenty. You were writing both correct shower. There is a freelance job. Some Memory Ananta biologist points out to bachelor degrees in biology and science biologist. Very nice you'll be industrial to exactly ladies and gentlemen. That's Kinda Funny Games daily. Thank you so much watching live on twitch dot TV slash kind of funny games you can watch later on youtube dot com slash kind of funny games rooster teeth dot Com podcast services around the globe. Vic As always you're awesome professional so much thank you just give it all up and move down here or Vancouver come up. Where can people keep up with if they want to Check US out on UPN So it's a EPSN TV on youtube or you can follow ep daily TV on twitter. 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"Abner Mars is a world champion, boxer Olympian, sports commentator, and most importantly dad to two little girls. Beloved by Oh boy La's and hardcore fans alike atvs pruitt entertaining the world both in and out of the ring. On blue buyers new podcast on the hook with Abner Mars we'll hear from abner his family fellow athletes and other people who made him the boxer in the man he is. They chat about topics like the state of boxing and Abner S- journey from a kid on the streets to boxing champ. Listen to on the hook with Abner Mars wherever you get your podcasts episodes in English out on tuesdays and episodes in Spanish out on Wednesdays. What's up everybody welcome to episode thirty, nine of land parties from the Las Vegas Review. Journal this episode is brought to you by bed online. I am your host Lucas Eggen joining me as always is Ryan, Smith Ryan, how are you today doing? Well, my friend. I'm. Not GonNa lie I was I've been on a grind beat metal gear solid five I'm trying to do before the PS five comes out it was. Made. Clear to me that there's no way that it's GonNa Happen I was playing. I was playing it right and I beat the beat that the big Mac and the credits roll and I was like holy crap on. I. We did it. We beat it. This is amazing and then as a ends, another cut scene happens and then it goes. into. Like, what are you talking about? I thought they gave was over dude I remember that moment playing it for view already over what an champion it was like. Oh. My God. Log game ever but still I'm enjoying it, it's been fun to go back and get back into it. It's one of my favorite game series So I- regardless if regardless of the coming our beating before the PS five comes out, I, am going to be bad game. How was your weekend my friend? I am still consumed with trying to take a first place in Super Mario Bros thirty five I've taken second a couple times is a really bugging me. I just can't get over that Hump. Is it going to happen I'm spending way too much time on it eventually one day it's going to happen and I am going to celebrate on twitter on facebook. Everyone's going to know about it. But enough about us, we have a very special guests joining us this episode you know him from Kinda Funny Greg Miller is here Greg. How are you today? AM Fantastic Lucas Ryan. Thank you so much for having me today. Is really a pleasure and we're ready to jump right in. Let me just start Greg saying I follow your career since your days I think. You know you you've obviously had such a great career so far, but I wanNA take you back way to the beginning what got you in the more journals and track and what sparked your interest in games media. Sure I mean the journalism track of it all starts with just the love of video games in. So you know I would say the journey to right now started in the fourth grade ahead, an issue of game prowess on the cover was returned a superman and on the inside was maximum carnage and Iran cover to cover every night for the month. The first month I had it and I had a little note car that had all the stores and their phone numbers written down every night I would call down the list of stores asking if they have the death and return of Superman because back in the day the magazines just said you know summer. It's coming in summer sometime and I was like, all right that can be now and after a month of reading it cover to cover and just being obsessed with it. Finally dawned on me that an adult got paid to write these words. So I snatched the magazine my walked into living room or the kitchen and my mom was cooking and I said, mom, I figured out what to do with my wife and she said what's that and I said I want to write about video games and she took one look at me and said, okay we can make that happen and it was a different time because again I'm I'm ancient in video game here. and. So literally, it was like, all right. Well, journalism would be the way to do that and so like you should do that. So I started doing the school paper and started you know running the school papers and you know when I was in high school I had a professor say, Hey, if you're really interested in this, you should look into this summer camp and he handed me. A journalism brochure and I looked at the prices and laughed, but I flipped it over and it was at the University of Missouri new like it's the Best College, journalism? Art. I'm going to go there one day went to went there and you know thought that I would graduate with a degree in journalism and walk into GM just be on cloud nine perfect life everything working out and. Didn't go that way exactly I graduated with a journalism degree nobody would touch me with a nine foot pole. I. Did a year and a half to the local paper in the Columbia. Daily. Tribune and after the year they gave me finally I beg debate debate they gave me in their magazine Insert a video game column blog, and for me that was the light switch of now. They still think I'm general assignment reporter covering anything everything working the night shift. Now I'm their video game journalist and they don't know that, and so I wrote every log every week on the column took national, video game stories worldwide video stories made them central the Columbia Missouri and after six months of that I apply digestion and I always say that I applied And obviously, this is the one I got hired on. But it was that I applied got contact contacted interviewed in hired within twenty four hours. So overnight, my dreams came true in when I finally got there and it signed all the paperwork and had my desk had my debugged ps two unit I remember turning to my boss to me like so what changed and he was like what you mean like I've and this is all I've ever. Wanted to do and I looked at my g mail right after college I had thirteen attempts to get hired at I g justice John and that's just after college in a year and a half I was like the I twelve times you didn't even give me the courtesy of a rejection letter. But on the thirteenth time I got snatched up in, you know ripped my life totally torn up and moved out here and they got and he. Could do it. You know like those first twelve attempts were given with clips of an article here and then six months later, story here three months later like I wasn't showing that I had a consistent voice in could do this daily and once I had that six months of experience under my belt at the Tribune actually being videogame columnist and blogger that was when they're like, oh, he's got a voice and he knows what he's doing. He's got skills obviously to right. Let's bring in here. He'll when you apply to twelve times and as you. Email, there is a lot on my college. You don't even get the rejection letters there. was there ever a time that you thought I'm just knock it try for Aegean was going to try somewhere else on knocking apply. Oh. Yeah. No no no. The like I applied everywhere. It wasn't an thing. I wasn't Nigerian fan boy. If anything I was in fan boy when you go back. If, you go back when you go to the Greg. Miller Museum. When I graduated high school like as the outgoing editor in chief of the paper always wrote like the ten year reunion story like you is just fiction writing about it. But my story was that I went to Mizzou got a degree in journalism and came back and worked at EGM, 'cause I was I'm from the suburbs of Chicago. GM was originally based in Chicago. So like I thought, it was like this is going to be the easiest thing in the world and when I was in college. I'll never forget it. You know I mean I just moved back into sophomore year I opened the new. GM and there was a letter from Dan Hsu the chief saying, Hey, we're Ruben San Francisco like out of the entire industries in San Francisco. So we're moving to San Francisco and I remember reading that going Oh, I'm going to end up in. San. Francisco. And I applied EGM one up gamespot. You know I the closest I got before get hit is Jan was I had a interview with inquest Gamer which was a subsidiary of Wizard magazine the Comic Book Magazine Inquest Was Board Games. They're getting ready to start an actual video games section and so I had interview with them and I. Blew it can occur because iphone. Blew it. Workers out of that. It was. Yeah, I re-. I applied everywhere the I stands out because that's the one I got and I went back and looked at him all I'm sure if I went back and looked at gamespot museum at one up, you'd see a similar story. You know you joined a really interesting time prior to going there. Did you do a lot of like video work or anything like that 'cause? I gene at least at that time, it seemed like they were making that transition into a lot more multimedia content there that you obviously became a huge Florida's yeah. No, it's. You know it's a lot of luck and being in the right place at the right time. No I. A- done none of that really ahead of time I was talking about it. You know that when I was at the. Trim and I was doing the blog in the columns I did a call him about these guys who called short attention and they were doing a podcast from campus and they were one of them was a teacher and he was teaching like audio stuff. So he had the ability to do it and I remember that was the first podcast I've ever really heard of. and. By the way, this would have been what two thousand. Six, two, thousand, six, I would say that I was working on this stuff first podcast. I've ever heard of in the first box that was ever on and I was just tangentially on a couple of times in. So I out side of that like for the paper again in the blog like I covered the launch of the PS three in the we I took my digital camera and recorded clips there and Little interview segments. It put those up on Youtube and they did really well because it like first ps three these Walmart this did really well for the time kind of thing but it never dawn I mean turning the camera myself and talk it never dawned on me to make my podcast in do that every day and all that stuff I was still in a different industry and I always talk about it. It's interesting. You bring this up because what I always say when I my gene journey. Is that I I was the last. Of the old guard of Japan in the first hire of the new version in that might not make a lot of sense but the way I was put it is I got hired by the people who founded the site like you talked to everybody who they are right and it's not like. You work there now or even me, right? Like this is my dream. This is all I've ever wanted to do I went to journalism school to do this what about you and he's like I dropped out of school I never did anything. Bookshop for awhile and that close and then I started doing this and I it was like it was just people who fell into it but their work inspired me and I think so many of the people now right to want to do that and see a career in it in so. I was last higher of the hey, we're just a bunch of dudes and girls who are making the staying and whatever you know what I mean and then, but I was also the first higher under when they just been bought by Fox interactive media in like I say, not in the evil WBZ way. But as they became a corporation as they became a real place of business, you know what I mean like relay Char and all this other stuff that you take for granted nowadays. But it was that I got there and you know my brother and Armstrong this was Damon. Hatfield and he was doing a thing called game scoop and they were they were episode. I I want to say when I started, they were at episode twenty but maybe it was twenty three like that's how early game scoop was and it was exactly what you're talking about Lucas where we came in and people like pair Schneider who still had Janet right and running it. He was very much like. Editors need on camera and they need to be personalities, and literally the old guard was like I don't WanNa do that and I loved to death any I learned so much from it but I remember Craig Harris in particular story, Nintendo editor did more than a thousand reviews Augean. I remember him being like. Dude I wanNA I. I write about Games. I. Don't WanNa be on camera and talk about it. I don't want to be on these podcasts I. Remember Me Damon we're like. This is awesome. Let's go do this all in. Was that thing we led the charge of that in really I, think broke down that door that now is so obvious but authenticity where it was like I was not hired to be an on camera personality and try they hired a Lotta hosts after I got hired as a writer that they did not need Greg on for that but it was that I got hired and then what three or four months later it was episode one of podcast beyond a founding member of that and that was such a we did so much right not knowing we were doing it right I was talking about you know when We started doing up at noon and they sent me to my first did con which if you don't know, Econ is a youtube convention. Now it is way more like go meet your favorite youtubers. But when we started going, it was very much. It was that as well but it was very much like to panels in learn about youtube learn from other people's successes what you could be doing differently, and I remember sitting in these things and this is what led to me starting my own channel, which then became Kinda funny and then became this career. But I remember sitting in there and I thought for the longest time that I had missed the boat on Youtube that you know if I just been smart enough to turn the camera around when I was talking about the playstation three. We if I had been doing my own logs back, then I could have been the fill the Franco I've seen of video games right but what I fail, what that mentioned taught me that I did con- was. It wasn't that I had missed the boat I had just been doing it for I Japan 'cause you'd sit in these panels and it would be like, what like here's a bunch of different people and if I said this word, you know who it goes to and it was like catchphrases for different youtubers and stuff like this is important to community and I was like Oh like beyond you know what I mean like I never started saying beyond on the podcast because I need to catchphrase I need you know what I mean it was a joke that resonated in the room that then we kept doing forever and then became to this day people screaming at me on the street. Anything. We had done so much right without trying because we were authentically into all this in wanted to talk to people video games and I. think that is the power of the content I produce kind of funny produces and we know that now and we didn't then but I always talked about writing reviews the way I it writing the way I would talk to my best friend in my basement about games growing up my best friend Pope. That's I Roman reviews and to this day that's high podcast and. Luckily after thirteen almost fourteen next year fourteen years of this like I've learned the sacred space, we inhabit with people where I am with you for your best times and I'm with you for your worst. You know what? I mean. I'm in your ears when you're having a great day at work and in your ears when you're having a bad day at work and. I think Kovin went the complete opposite direction I thought. It was whereas like this is going to be tough for our business to see a drop in numbers. When in reality we saw numbers go up across the board for podcast, for Youtube, because it was. People needed that they needed their group of best friends. They needed socialization again, and that's what you get. When you listen to a show because you can read I G and you can watch the game spot. You can get the news, any number of ways, but you show up to a podcast because you like the hosts and the camaraderie you like them bsn around me and you know Gary just came off of games daily and it's US making fun Kevin and talking about this and what a Gary get into us. It's so much more than just hey, here's what the playstation video today revealed it is. Being there with you and it's so. My identity but even on Gamecube I was like. I distinctly remember I'm sorry that I'm rambling so much I. let you. Know what I remember on Gamecube when I went through my divorce in the again I'm did the Mid West thing of getting married incredibly young. When I went through my divorce I remember having this conversation and getting breaking down I think for the first time on a podcast in crying in explaining it's not that I'm sad it's just I'm getting choked up thinking about how much you mean to me and it became that idea that I that we call our audience best friends to this day but it was this idea of. By listening in on me hanging out with my friends, you get to know me in a way that even my the people I would consider real life best friends, my parents who don't know me those conversations on the phone once a week don't go that way. But when you show up to hear me talk about games but inevitably I start talking about Patillo and what Jen neier doing, what we did over the weekend like you get into session minutiae of somebody's soul, and even though I don't get to hear the person who's listening, tell me the same information I understand the connection we have to each other. It's funny that because I'm from Central Illinois Ice Farmington by to no annoying pure. Yeah. Sounds like Alan. You, you speak my language here. No yeah and I agree and and there's something important to that I wanted to point out and I feel like you know through throughout the episode that we've had guests that we've had there seems to be a common theme of just being persistent and really going to work in to achieve the dreams are the goals that you have You know obviously you've you know you've you've. Completely been successful and you're able to you had a dream you went for and everything and effort at that gets us a Kinda funny You know tell us more especially with the situation that we're in with the lock on you spoke on that a little bit with everybody being in and more numbers. What are you guys doing on your side to Kinda take advantage of that or maybe you know looking to be a little innovative? Can I feel like this is a great time to kind of be innovative because everybody is now forced into this digital space. Right. Yeah. I mean. You figure you know twenty twenty started in a way different way than it's going to end for us right and that's everybody. But for our company in particular, right like you know Kinda funny where a incredibly small right now nine nine fulltime people. That make daily podcast and youtube videos about mainly video games. But we haven't do. That's kind of funny games. We have a channel called kind of funny. That's everything else in. So you know we have this view washing right now state of the art studio that we've been in since two thousand, sixteen sounds right and we adore. But you know we launched in two thousand, twenty in we hired blessing at junior you know another Illinois from champaign hired hired him. moved him from Seattle announce that, hey, we have a new studio we're building out right now. It's three times the size of this I'm like we're going huge. We want to watch that August and you know. Same for story for everybody but three months later, all that got put on hold right everybody ran. We had to run to our houses and suddenly go from being a place. That is, Hey, this is how we do this every day with each other this communal aspect, these different sets, these different shows to hey now everybody's talking into a camera in their house and have to integrate off of that and it's The same thing. I. Say all the time is I can't get enough praise to Kevin Coelho on our staff. Who is our? You know everything I I'm I guess I'm technically CEO I have no idea ever more what Kevin's title is but Kevin Guy, who makes all this happened to the point that for us with covert it went Thursday, we were like, Hey. Everybody starting to work from home but we're not going to do that yet. We're GONNA. See what happens. Then Thursday night I was at grocery store and it was like every pandemic movie you've ever seen people just grabbing in in car completely shell shocked in. Tim. My other one of my. Call and it was like we're stupid right and I'm like, yeah. So we went for. Thursday. Kind of be ready for this till Friday of like you're working from home effective Monday in. Kevin, over the weekend, pull it together to get us up and running, and since then has iterative such a number of times to the point of like the amazing camera I'm using these crazy lights that I'm using the stream deck like all stuff that I think. The people you usually talk to who are streamers on the grind and all this stuff. They're used to, but for us in in particular right coming from Aegean. Already. Having a state of the art studio right when we started the company from a spare bedroom in her house, you know there was a day where I'm literally at the table crying in Kevin Walks in because I couldn't make ob s work with whatever I I'm not the tech guy I couldn't make it work and I was just crying Kevin's like I can take care of this and he's from then on taking care of it like. It's a weird thing of. People would listen to us if we just gathered iphone and talked. But like we want to deliver a product that is at least on par with what we want it to be like we're not there obviously I think you know all his broadcasting from home staff and having been in the same studio forever right it's not exactly what we want, but we're making the best of and it's been awesome to see the audience understand that in flock to it and I think for us it took a lot of pressure off of. What you want from the shows, it's given them identity I think the game content that takes care of itself. You know what the news show for Games daily is going to be you know what a first impression of a game supposed to be but for kind of funny you know we do think all the podcast which is just as getting the other talking and you know the old versions of the show used to. Be, which brought a topic to the show and talk about it, and so they were serious. They were not yet either yet, and when we notice that the kind of funny podcast numbers were going up even though we were just horsing around more than ever right and it was also like lamenting the situation. Obviously, there's way worse situations happening right now in the pandemic but lamenting our own as we all do in struggle with. We ask the audience what was going on with that and it was this you know responsive like no. Well, you know we want to hang out with you. We miss the interactions we were having with other people like we just want some normalcy in this show and you guys being together gives us that. So it's been I would say honestly in. A lot of respects. There's more pressure on us than ever. But in some in terms of how to make that content really relieved the pressure of okay. People are here for us and that means we can do whatever we want with when you started kind of funny or at least when you left. To pursue this full time. Has the goal or vision that you had evolved over the years? What is different today looking ahead than it was say in Twenty fifteen yeah it's definitely changed but the change I would say is that everything's happened faster it was that I think when you look at kind of funny as an entity from its origin. It's all of an exponential in terms of how it happened where I started it to make a youtube channel to learn how to use premier in make them videos, and in doing that on my own, I got Nick in Tam and Colin involves place where they were excited about it in. So then it becomes US doing the game over Greg Show every week together in this channel evolves into something differently, and then all of a sudden you know we're working with MCI who are actually making a bit of money from it and. As, you look down the pipeline, right it would have been twenty We broke away twenty fifteen. So twenty fourteen, right in the fall of summer of you know we had a meeting we would call these weekly meetings to talk about what we're doing with the channel and it was this conversation of like. Could we do this fulltime? They could we break away because like you know different people had different. Times. How long they'd been at is what they were thinking, what they wanted to do, and it was that idea of like you know the content we're making isn't game related. So if we leave and can make games, it's completely different ballgame to begin with. and. So we had a conversation and it was. Everybody. Go home and come back next week with the number you need to survive which of course is you're paying, you're paying your car and your eating ramen noodles. What do you need to survive right now but the bare minimum Came, back with those numbers next week, we looked at the paperwork and it was a universal roof. Okay. Maybe a year and a half two years, we'll be able to make this off of ads since in whatever. Whatever. And like two weeks later I went to another BITCON and on the way there Tim showed me an article on his phone and it was about Patriot on these. Have you heard of this and I was like kind of its kickstarter but it's not right. He's like, yeah. When we get back, we should look into and I was like, all right we went to the Bitcon we'd panel. Stepped off the panel we're taking photos talking to some folks and as we were talking to them, these group walked by and they did the double take and they ran over and Oh my God Craig Miller for my channels like, Hey man yeah. What's your neighbor talking to him? I looked down in one of them was wearing. Patriot. Shirt. That's like, Oh, my God, you know the Patriot guys and he's like, yeah, I'm the vice president in what would you are? Like Kismet man and. Company, and so we we kind of gave them the heads up Let's get a meeting. We ought to meeting and there it was when they moved into their First Amendment office and it was like literally removing things and they're still the plastic wrap over the windows and we went in there and explained where we were like you know we're thinking about rebranding is kind of funny because before that we were game over groggy, which was great for me terrible for the three other people working company that makes no sense when you explain that you for over grazing. So are you greg? No. We're GONNA. Do this and we wanted that like we think about breaking off but we don't know in paycheck was like, no, no this guy's and so you know in what was it August of that year or twenty fourteen we launched the first Patriot on and rebranded is Kinda funny and did a viral video of hundred pants and in the first twenty four hours on Patriot when we were making ten thousand dollars a month. and. That was that moment for us where we all looked at each other like. They're they know what kind of funny is it's a known quantity and they know that we're not talking about games. They know that the things we're famous for talking about we can't do because you for GM and it was like so what would happen if we left in that the figure January Fifth Twenty fifteen like you know less than five months later, right? We're out on our own we're doing on her own. Late, where do you see going forward what your grand vision if we're talking in twenty, twenty five here? Kind of funny at that that it's not out today. For me it's in the new studio on would write. This which were talking right when we started around it was just the four of us and Kevin had been helping parttime but Kevin also worked at a gym in. So it was this idea of we can't do that. Now we don't WanNa get him in trouble and it will will hire Kevin may be in six months maybe a year and after a month and a half of running it It was like we need. Kevin. So we figure out how to get Kevin. Kevin. Quitting came there and it was like maybe have studio two years a year a year and three months or whatever in we had a new studio like to be where we're at. Now of nine fulltime employees, you know what is a five part time contractors you know editor people will use around the world. We've already gone so far. So you know twenty, twenty five. The hope is that we're in this amazing studio and we stream more like right now in which I know is if you're a fan or whatever or you have a basic understanding of streaming sounds weird because we stream every day for at least two hours usually why at least two and a half and then usually put a pocket I'm talking about streaming game and having a vision for that like we are. Known for our opinions on games or not known for you coming to watch US play games. So beefing that up, we've had a lot of success this year with doing a pilot program for the x cast, which is our kind of funny xbox podcast I would love switch podcast. I would love a PC podcast that involves having the bandwidth to make shows happened, but also more importantly having the right people on board. So that's the thing about it where you know we keep. Hiring or partnering with now at the part timers. The right people, and so it's about having this content strategy of Kinda funny is whatever goofy idea we wanted to be but we also want it to be this organic goofy ID with the Community of what they wanted to be in. So that's what it is. It's about growing smartly it's about filling out this new studio. We can get in there with the right people in the right people we always talk about it while we're nine now tim I always sit there and have these conversations of like. There's no way our vision is never to be. This is not innocuous anybody. Our vision is never to be Aegean Game Rooster Teeth Right? Like we're talking you know twenty, twenty, five, maybe eighteen people work there. You know what I mean like we're not trying to explode. We're not trying to be this thing that's not where our power is. Our power is our. Personal connection to the audience and I think since I started getting popular people have asked me like do you worry about losing that and I? Think as long as we can be authentic and we bring other people who are authentic and I'm not saying that every time it'll happen this way but as long as we keep hiring from the community, all of our staff. Right are hired from the community. Nobody's some unknown quantity you know like. Blessing one prom king at the kind of funny prom like he's been around. Joey key you know was active in the community long before we hired her to originally be community management. Now I think she's got some weird title of like production whatever the hell she does because she keeps us all on task and make sure we get the shows on reminds me all the time to record the thing I have recorded like. How this works because it is organic Andy Cortez. You know made amazing art for us and we we've hired him for some shirts and he made a Semo, and then finally it was like this conversation do you want to come work for us full-time and make a show and do this thing like that's how it all works with that people come from the inside like that's the kind of community. We're building because we're it's the it's the same story as it was on January Fifth Twenty fifteen I said, you know we're not building this for you were building this with you. You are on the ground floor of something here and I think even if you came in today, it's still the ground floor like we're not trying to be a high rise here. We're trying to make cool stuff our friends. I think that's so important that you especially on the community aspect of things I feel like that's where a lot of people. Really. Kind of miss the mark as far as being in the digital space and creating content. It's really you know people are flocking there number one because there's a sense sensible longing being a part of a community and you get and you guys obviously are coming at an approach with authenticity and that resonates with people you know to the Max and I just love hearing that not only that don't let me ask you with with. Much equipment and things being so much more consumer friendly. What kind of advice would you give to someone that's looking maybe to go down this path or start a podcast or something like that? Are Say the same thing and it's do it. Literally the it's not even the advice. It's what didn't lead to getting the job in for so long I wasn't doing it. I was talking about it like I knew the fourth grade I wanted to review video games. When did I write my first video game review? I wrote it when he GM put out a call for the wanting somebody on the review crew in like my sophomore year of high school the no wonder I didn't get that job. I should have been doing it every day. 'cause you've talked about earlier in this podcast, right like. This stuff is tough and it's a grind and there is no overnight success. There isn't somebody who just shows up a dozen there can be that you've done something for years and all of a sudden you're playing fortnight in. That's the biggest thing in the world like Oh my God you get propelled to that stage but there's so many years of work behind that in. So you know I should have been writing every day and when I finally did that lead to great things and led me writing professionally every day which led you know so and so on. If I was people always come to meet and greets and like hey man yeah, it's great. You really inspired me to start my own podcasts Mike Guy Working I listen Oh. Haven't started that yet like I don't have the right mike that's an excuse man like look at the phone us took the photo with sit down and do it because guess what your first one hundred podcast are going to be garbage like Yeah I remember being on Jan podcast when I got hired and it was that constantly. Customized Ohka, my breathing into the Mike and the hear me. He's almost I. missed my chance to say to the point I understand like. Sounds so funny but it is this is a muscle and you need to understand that in beal the exercising go and so like if it's you WANNA do podcasts. If you WANNA make videos if you WANNA twitch stream, go and do it, there's never going to be like I wanna get the perfect graphic. Oh, I want to get this thing everybody's career in this world is a fixer upper and you Start with what you got and you build on it there and you invest as you go until the point that somebody gets there for the first time they've never heard of you and they love your graphics and they think you're really entertaining. They think this is great and I think that this fell out of the sky there. They don't go back and watch the two years of shows that weren't great. You know when you talk about that connection anything that's obviously one of the things that's always stood out about you is that connection you feel listening or reading or watching you did that require a change in thinking because I'm thinking back to journalism school back in in my day that in the old days now I guess you could say that. Wasn't taught. That was definitely the opposite way where you're supposed to not insert to yourself that require a change in the way you thought about it. Yes no I think the fact that I was still doing traditional journalism at the paper. Then gave me the outlet of the video game column and blog luckily, the at the time that Xi mean had an amazing staff of opinion writers that had all sorts of things and characteristics in that were already shown you buy yes. On that page obviously is the news you're getting about the town hall and what's going on with the Columbia Housing Authority here is where you're getting the personality injected into it in. So from that, it was easy to pivot that what I would do and then and then you know again when I came in. It being the wild west like I want to talk about like the differences of what we did journalism school that I will never be I will never be as horrified professionally is when. I finished writing my first review for GM I walked over to my boss Chris Roper I like cool reviews on. He's like all right publish it. And I was like. Do you want to read it early. I mean, he's like not just put it up and I was like Oh. My God, you know what I mean we're. People used to make fun of me so much coming from J. School where The paper even but you know I would finish the review and then I printed off and I would sit there with my Red Panama my dictionary just in my at style guide and I would go through all my notes that I I screwed up and like my Gosh, she was kid 'cause like it drove me crazy Nigerian at the time because. You'd there were there were you would look at one article maybe two and see okay. Spilled four different ways. GUYS WE GOTTA pick car say okay here there s there has to be a style guide and there wasn't. A being like it was trial by fire there in terms of just go out and make the content you wanted to make in the. So for me to inject myself into review a lot it was never so much like, oh, well, you know this, it was usually trying to set somebody who reviewed a Lotta PSP Games early on setting the stage for where I was playing in what was happening and then getting into the game mechanics themselves I think. trip. Gave me that Nice Bridge between J school, which was so rigid like you're talking about to them being able to talk and GM. have. What is it like that? You have fans I mean we'll when you initially had people coming up to you for the first time and that's was that. I mean, that's got to be a unique experience for the first couple of times. Sure in what's interesting about it is that it all happened. So gradually that it was never weird and I think again. You say fans and I say fans to it's not. So this is incorrect and you at all, there is no better way to put it. I like the best friends moniker though because like I have that celebrity that I think again entered idealist Internet celebrity don't get me wrong but. They do get stopped in public, which happens often before covert half often like it was always the interaction you'd want which is becoming really your Greg Miller Yeah Oh, my God I love that review you did of this what are you playing right now? I'm playing this. All right. See you later. All right. Cool. Hey, actually can sherry no problem. All right. It's never the weird lake throngs of people chasing me or whatever. Every time I run into somebody it's always the same thing and it is. To friends catching up it's it is like a back to my best friend metaphor from before it is like when I call Poe or whatever in because I learned over the years how that works in what in what it becomes in that was weird I. Think you know where I remember distinctly. In the early days of beyond and Gamecube going to pay taxes or whatever, and meeting somebody and the. Greg, my Oh my God what's your name I'm all right. Cool and we'd stand there awkwardly. I would be my head like I. They Die Sock they don't. Is. Remembered at an Eugene meet and greet whe-. A year after all this started happening, everybody's hard to quantify I remember the same thing happened. Yeah. Hey Tim Greg. Hey. And I was a little drunk and I I'm sorry and he goes. And I'm like, I'm sorry I'm now what you you're not talking I'm not what you thought that you don't know he's like, no, you don't understand what this is Lake Lake I listen to you every day and you talk to me I don't know how to talk to you and I was like. and. So now when it happens, it's the easiest thing in the world because I'm Tim Hey Tim. I. Wait if there's nothing Saudi playing and that's the thing you're right into it right? Like before it, we would throw these kind of funny live events in have fifteen hundred fans from around the world come hang out with us and I would send off this pdf explaining what's going on in attractions but would always put in there. So bold in the top of it. If you are coming here alone you need to understand you are not alone and when you're in line turned to the left turn to the right talk to those people. If they are here for the same reason you are you can already start with what's your favorite game what are you playing right now and you know carry your vida carry your care your switch like they are there for the same thing you are and I think. It's funny. I would describe myself and. I think most people as introverts like the you know being gregarious and outspoken and talking to people is not something I was born with and I think all the time when I was. At Aegean and I was not doing the video stuff. podcast but was mainly a writer. I went on the same press tours every every month will say right to see whatever game and you would see the same people in the airport at the party at the whatever and we all stayed in these little cliques with who you worked with or who you honestly who you worked with. That's all it was and I will never forget the first time I talked to Scott Butterworth formerly along with the playstation. Magazine and it was like Oh my God, like you're awesome in we've been together for years and I've never spoken to you and it was like it was always junior high dance where everybody goes against the wall like you know what I mean like you don't know who anybody is. Maybe you do know they on you're scared to approach him right like now of course, it's a completely different world you look at everybody. Cross collaborating on every podcast people leaving is you ain't going to gamespot going to whatever going to polygon starting on our own thing like every the amount of people we have on kind of funny. But it is that thing of I think a lot of not I shouldn't say a lot of it but for many of us the Gamer in US or whatever. Like it is such a solitary activity it is you playing on the couch with a headset or y you know playing a game or for me growing up in a group of friends that like video games but nobody loved games like I did and so it was that I I read eeg and connected to those personalities the way people watch videos or listen to podcasts in so I get that relationship and I understand. Being that person who is a? Mother of three United I mean you have a real life in real responsibilities and you get to play games at night but who do you talk to about games and so when I get to meet you with the ingredient, is that moment for everybody to be on the same page there for one thing? I love that. Yeah. That is part of the fun I mean literally just getting to talk about video games. You know what? I mean with friends, which is like again it's still blows my mind it's like wait we get we get paid to talk about video games. This is amazing. It's a good thing if you get it. Absolutely. Let me ask you if you had the opportunity to collaborate with anybody in the world, who would it be in and what kind of collaboration would you ask create a man? I want the rock come on. Let's get it. Let's go. Indonesia. Like. The rockies great white whale where I was lucky enough and kind kinda funny life three to have him send in a video introducing me and that was that germinated from I. Don't even know a year before multiple years before us talking about him on the podcast him actually listening to it like he got it any listened to it and he didn't listen to the first five minutes of it he. He listened to the entire thing tweeted about listening to it, and then started responding to it as he was listening like all the different things. That was mind blowing and so like. He is the busiest human being in the world but I just WanNa get a we of core friends with him I just WanNa, sit down and talk to him and I WanNa talk to him about what it's like to be the rock. What is to be this guy who has the world at his fingertips at any given moment in as infamously started off a seven bucks in his pocket like. That I want to I want to podcast with Iraq not even about games right I just WanNa talk to him. He would be an amazing guests that is for sure I. Agree with you a thousand percent there. You know. I think, what do what drew me to youtube through the years to is is the fact that you've been so open a about the good and the bad which you especially when you got started was. Nonexistent at all at least an extreme rarity. So when you've gone through things like your battle with cancer and whatnot and through ups and downs, why was it important to you? Because I know it's it's hard. You see a lot of celebrities not do the exact opposite. They WANNA keep their private life away from the audience of. So what kind of wanting to to you to take that? Track shirt. I mean for me is how he's it sounds but it's definitely the theme of this authenticity like I feel like. I law along time ago. Like. I don't know how much you want to trace it all back to superman, but it all goes back to Superman. Being truthful Herreid and it's that thing of I couldn't ever lie to my audience ride I couldn't ever lie on a podcast because it's what I talk about all not all the time but when it comes up right of like. I know so many people use authenticity are best friends they want to say Zalm buzzwords and marketing and Yadda Yadda but legitimately the only commodity we have is authenticity and being ourselves and if we were to sacrifice that. Not. Everybody in the early days, people would worry about like sponsorships or something and it's like. Folks if I was to take sponsorship for if I was going to go host EA play in part of the rules of play were cool. You're never allowed to talk about Gig you're never allowed to. Be. Like No I won't do this, and if I did that, if you call me being like listen guys, Anthony gets a bad rap like. ooh. I enjoyed them play but come on now come on. Really. It's So it's for the good and the bad when the door whoa I mean, the door was closed I guess. So it was always open. So when the mad started to come with, it was like I talked about earlier divorce rate. Yeah cancer it was always like it was never even a question like I've always found that question conversation interesting of. No point when I was diagnosed with cancer was I like Oh man I'm GonNa try to hide this that would never even registered. That was never even a thing if anything I think I was more. Anxious to get it out there as quick as possible, you know what I mean like I was talking about it the night before I put up the blog post in the night before I told everyone in I was like frantically calling my family and friends before pizza arrived to be like this is what's happening I. Don't want you to hear about it on the Internet tomorrow. This is what's going on with me like. I just feel for WHO I am in. Who I am as a person who I am as a personality or whatever you want to say like. Like there's just there was no other option. There's no other option than to talk about what's going on in my life because that's already the part of the deal if all of a sudden tomorrow is like you know what? I'm not gonNA talk about anything but games that would in on a game podcast that would drastically change everything about the show and who I am and how I talk and how I act and what I do and so it is that thing is you have to live unflinchingly like in that's a huge turn off to a lot of people. You know what I mean kind of funny is not I mean we're lucky enough to be very successful, but we're not like three million subs on YouTube. But We are very much a thing that caters to a very specific person and I love that because again brings in the right kind of people. From launch day we've always said because gene we couldn't say but here we say it all the time like we no one asked if you want to come here Frickin the comments go away we don't want your money take it we don't need patron we don't need that That's good. I like that I like that when you look back a New Yorker so far not that it's anywhere close to being done if you off. If you not got in that job at I g, N do you think that you would still taking a similar track to where you are today was this always inevitable or or how do you think it would have changed? I wouldn't have quit. You know what I mean like when you start doing the sliding doors forking paths, it gets into a will. Yea. If I eventually got hired at GM or one up and I'm working with clapback and like that breaks in our ever ended up at Gamespot and I I was obviously working at Jian when Gershman was fired and then that went on to become giant bomb, right? Like all of those different things there's a million different wrinkles to it, but I would never have quit. That was the thing I remember distinctly with my ex way back in the day when I was working at the newspaper but before they even gave me the video game column. I remember on a ride back to Colombia from Kansas City Hermit again, like you know I, a aunt or mom or whoever it wasn't even that bad of a comment but it was one of the things like does he really think this is going to happen and I remember I pulled over on the Anon-. Opposite highway don't worry it wasn't it was it was seventy I pull over the side of the road and it's like you have to understand and I'm like I can't put. This into words but you have to understand I can feel it happening like I understand that I work at a daily newspaper and I'm not reading my games right now. But I know that this is leading there and I can't tell you why I can't tell you how but it's happening and that was good enough for her and it was good enough for me. I always felt that draw back to the thing before we were talking about like the grind of this and this is like. The People Who Won't make it trying to do what we do washout and I do not mean that as an insult I do not mean that as they're not saying that they're I'm sure there plenty towns. It's when you get into the realities of how hard this is and how low the return on investment is even when I was doing the personal youtube that would then become kind of funny right like every put a video, every Tuesday and Thursday right and every Tuesday and Thursday they went up at six am. So I can still be on time for Jan and I would be in the comments from six to seven and I was talking to I, was on videos about Orios that we're getting. A grand total of time like five thousand views and I was talking to the same thirty five commenters, right But. It wasn't like Oh. This sucks. This is I just keep doing this tomorrow. I'M GONNA have thirty, five thousand views on this. Now, it was like a learning experience. It was a building experience and again, it was speaking to the right people with my. Idea of what we were doing, what I was trying to build. Excuse me. Sorry for you know having this channel in my own, it was an extension of what I was already doing, and it was an extension of how do I find the community members that want to be bad active with what I'm doing. And that really is I mean is so important in this space especially would live streaming and stuff i. just kind of you know people see especially the Uber successful people they're like Oh man, you know what i WanNa do, but it's like what you're missing is a it has been years of work that has led up to that pinnacle. You know what I mean, and early you can't think about that. It's taking it one day at a time you know building and growing and learning as you go along and then the people that you meet within the community you're community really is just a reflection of you. You're not I mean and the people that you are drawing So you know again, I can't emphasize the importance of the community aspect of digital content creation and creating as opposed to hey, I'm just making something to throw into the either I. Hope People like it. You know you're you're making something specific that people enjoy that they are a part of that they are helping like you said from the ground floor. Lucas anything else. Let. Let me just ask your general opinions where you stand today. What's your feeling had into next Gen systems here and would what are your expectations there for that? I mean such a weird time. To be launching system. So what are you expecting for that launch window? I'm expecting great things. I think it for me. Personally I'm excited obviously I think it's a more subdued. Launch. Generation. Turn than before. Yes. Cova being a part of that but also just being the part of like. Where we're at with how these are interruptions? Like I know it's a tired thing. It's not exactly apples apples but we're to the point where I remember when I would get a new iphone, every two years and I'm like Oh. My God it's going to be so much faster than this in now in apple new iphone I'm like Oh sure and I clicked the button and it shows up swapping Adam gets better I guess on an I'm excited. Runs like that's how I am like you know I have the XBOX series X. over here behind me right and like. The Low Times on it are incident the visuals on our insane. It's so good but it's interesting on it. Right and that's what's so weird is like I'm so excited to have my playstation five on launch an Budapest ventures and see how much faster it runs with me and my friends as we run through our dailies like it's Already playing fortnight on Xbox what I mean like I'm excited for obviously miles in. Miles Morales and souls and bug snacks whenever that's dropping and all the list goes on, but it's not like. It's also mixed in with cyberpunk and it's also mixed in with sausage creed and it's all these things like we're having a great year period. Let alone to get these new boxes I. Just hope the boxes make the experiences I'm already playing that much better. That is my expectation that next year I think we start to get into. This is the stuff that can only be done here. Yeah you you know it's funny that you say that you it does a lot of things. Especially, technology wise feels like iterations as opposed to these big innovative changes that we were getting here earlier you know. Two thousand ten to an earlier. Yeah I mean I'm excited to. One know your thoughts are though because I really I very much believe that people are setting themselves up for the the next step, which I believe it's cloud gaming and being able to do that effectively what are your thoughts on that? Club gaming is awesome You know it's one of those that you're still seeing everybody in this infant stage of trying to figure it out. But like when stadia was talking the talk, I was so gung Ho of Yes please this is what I wanted to be, and then at the same time Scott popping up and then you know I really think stadium dropping the ball but ex surging ahead and being like guess what all of game passes on it guess what I think when they turned that corner, it's what all of all of xbox is on it all the stuff you already own is it That's where it gets interesting and. I think you know obviously as a country. America. We have to catch up a lot with our WIFI speeds and get it everywhere and get is need Internet easily accessible but as at inevitably happens then it does get to be really interesting thing and what is playstation five is playstation for this next seven years right xbox is a platform is xbox for the next seven years and it's what I keep talking about of like. I CAN'T A. Game Pass is such a ridiculously good idea in such a ridiculously good price that at what point even if you're a die hard Sony person, you've bought a playstation, you're all in does xbox put out. Let's just say the next help lead right. And it is fantastic. It's getting out of hand yet. We there's no more honor of an xbox. It is well for fifteen bucks. I can try it in cloud stream it to my. Or? My phone or my whatever. You know what I mean like all the different tablets in the future and that but when that happens. You get a taste of it and you go man, this is incredible. Maybe I'll stick around stick around me and I like to play this TV and maybe use the chrome cast wherever you go ma'am what would I buy an xbox could by xbox series S, but I wanted to look like I don't think boxes strategy out of the gate especially after the year playstation or the generation playstation force had out of the box out of the gate is going to be like Bam boom we fixed everything these councils are flying off the shelves. The tale of it. Wow everyone. It will really be this Trojan Horse War of Attrition Xbox being everywhere, and then it being you look at playstation and we'll remote play as always sucked. They even tried to keep up with playstation. Now I mean, I'm talking about the future version of it have they tried to keep up with what xbox and X. Cloud and you know games with gold and all that have been doing i. don't know I think that you're in for a very interesting generation and it's GonNa be very interesting from from news. You know I think this council launch is. Going to be awesome exciting and I also think it's going to be in a Lotta ways a crap shoot for playstation where we want you know smart delivery has been set over and over again and it sounds like a buzzword to. When there is literally no problem playing your xbox three, sixty, whatever game on this and your cloud you started it on your xbox. One X YOU WANNA play on your series x and there's no problem when you turn you look playstation it's like you're Yakuza save won't work from playstation for the playstation five and lots of promises of how the closet backwards this GonNa work is that going to work on Day One? Am I going to be able to play vendors on day one I? Know I know they've said I can I know? They've said I can Can someone tell me how I'm GONNA get my save over there and how that's GonNa work. Avengers isn't server side that is playstation for. Off My place, you should force safe from a vendor work with the playstation version of adventures. Why can't your Yakuza playstation four save work in the playstation you see it's like there's something going on there and nobody's spelling it out. Exactly? No. I. Agree I. It's funny because I remember when playstation bod into. Microsoft for that cloud infrastructure was like, yeah, I was like. Playstation now is is basically trashed here they're already too far behind to try to come up with something now, they have to build it or buy into that infrastructure and Microsoft man. They've had that game plan. You know I've never I'm totally as Sony Fan boy but you know what else I have I have a? You and I have I have gained path so I can play all the XBOX. I. Wanted to or any of those games all my. I'll they are they are smart. They have been future thinking this whole time as ours what they're building they just want you in there INARA another but. Ecosystem. Yes. Yup, and yeah they are executing. So I'm super excited about that I Know Amazon Luna, Your House recently came out as well which that to me seems like one of the more promising promising ones with them having a web APP based on iphone in Iowa devices yeah yeah. That's a backbreaker breaker for me right like I love x cloud and I also love my I apple devices. IPAD iphone Oh my God. Here we go and it's just like, yeah why can't this be everywhere and be easy it'll be interesting. What happens with Luna and how many gaming services we can't. But even the fact that Luna is approaching it from such different thing of like cool. There's Luna Channel for five ninety nine, and then there's the ubisoft channel which will get you all the ultimate editions on Day One and stuff, and it's like man that's interesting and like our way how where does that end is xbox crazy enough to make an xbox channel. Where do we go with that? Now? That's that is very true. Great. We don't WanNa take up anymore of your time working we find you on interwebs easiest places kind funny dot com you can get there you can look at kind of funny on Youtube kind of funny on kind of Funny Games on Youtube all all the twitter's all the things all the Patriots. Own. The things now, we appreciate you being on here. Thank you so much for taking the time to join Lucas I here on this show we appreciate it my friend. Thank you guys. Absolutely. Lucas. What do you got going on? For the week. Not much. My quest to take I in to Marlboros thirty five. Is it going to happen I? Can I'm going to speak into existence what about yourself? I believe in you my friend say man I'm on that destiny to grind I'm on I'M GONNA slow up on metal gear though, just knowing that there is no way that I'm going to beat it before the place h and five hundred. Has got her talk. I'm still playing I've just because I. Still Have Avengers I've got some other Games that I need to go Chima I. I haven't even started at yet I haven't even started yet. I'm just I'm I am see that's the game. Just wait for playstation five, just play with. Yeah the with the. And all that stuff yeah. Well, that's why because I I have a spider man I haven't done that yet either so I'm just going to get the out miles morales and then yeah, due to start from the beginning and then play them all all the way through. Yeah Dude I. It'll be good for sure greg again. Thank you so much for joining us. We are going to be right back guys after this quick break we asked more topics here on the way. The wait is finally over football is back. You might not be at a game this year, but you can still be in on the action at Bent Online. Ben Online is going the extra mile to make sure you can get in on every possible chance to win this season. From Spreads Totals to team player coaching props bed online gives you more options to wagers than anywhere else. 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It's always nice to hear. You know what I mean. Here's somebody's story and we've heard so many different stories that are kind of similar but different and just people just. Doing things getting into the space and really following their dream and what they're trying to do and. Letting it evolve as it evolves so that that was a great conversation with Greg again. Thank you so much for being on I wanted to move on though we officially have a champion for Overwatch League and a San Francisco shock do the repeat get the dub get the trophy they end up beating soul dynasty four to two. It was crazy. How so so I? Pretty sure you predicted bet the shock was gonNA win correct. No I had the dragons you had the dragon. Who Was it? The head the SOCK I can't remember somebody said the shock. I had mine my said fusion and they they got stomped on. Aid. In. Goose egg in both the the top bracket and the losers bracket. So that was unfortunate for them an for the championship you know the shock and and so dynasty they started off playing each other shock took that three to an they end up meeting in the championship game and or the Tha Championship match and ended up chuck takes it forty two. Yeah, what a run I mean? Obviously I'm surprised. I honestly would say that on paper that was the dragon solution obviously they did. But congrats the shock what Iran, what a performance and hey if you're gonNA come a big time obviously that's the time to do it. Absolutely. Striker end up getting the MVP as well. He DPS player for the shock there. So congratulations to the organization and the the the entire team that is a huge win I. Do Kinda WanNa. You know something that was a little and I don't know if you you checked number at but I remember at one point in time while the the Grant Finals was going on they had about eighty, six thousand viewers. We've talked about it I. Think we talked about it here a couple of weeks ago when we had roundtable, just how much I you know we feel viewership has her since they made the switch from twitch over to over to Youtube. And I know there are reporting issues with the drops not working correctly. You know it it it really it really is sad to see that they're not. You know that viewership just wasn't there for for the around and and I'm curious to see if they're gonNA make any pivots, any kind of moves moving forward for the next season or we'll see what happens with Overwatch League. You'd think that if they don't make a change that this agreement is on thin ice to start next season like. It it's ridiculous right how your drops not working during finals like I don't. At all season new workout kinks and I I don't know it's frustrating They shouldn't be having this kind of issues not not that far. He's not at the end not for your biggest event. Yeah. So that that's got to be figured out fast. And I've seen some rumblings about maybe changing up changing up the league just in general breaking it up and making it something different it. You know it's kind of interesting to see 'cause I don't know you covid really put a damper on what their plans were as far as having home stadiums and really bringing people into the venue. it's it's really I feel like as really having a negative impact on the league hole and I can't imagine that they wouldn't be. You know looking forward to the future you know seeing what if they can't stick with that and business model. especially. You know who knows what next year is going bring or a would it's GonNa. Look like so it'll be interesting to see if they make any changes as far as or in regards to that as well. Yeah. I think a lot of people are probably willing to lump two, thousand, twenty into just everything was bad snow. Next. Season does roll around. It would be nice to see them get off to a fresh start a new beginning but. You cannot award these glitches. Hiccups I mean it it's a I don't know what I am interested in is you know we talked about at the beginning of our podcast about the travel that these players have to deal with I. Wonder if what they've learned through the covid season will affect their plans or how they arrange things going forward at all for some more longer lasting change. Right I can't see if they do for Season Act next year I can't imagine them not going with a like a bubble model like we've seen in professional sports It's been semi successful. or No it's been rather successful and NHL to me and I don't know that there were a really any reports of anybody getting sick up there I know that the NFL has had some issues but again, they're not really in a bubble per se. So they're they're bouncing around. So we're seeing some issues there, but we'll see how that We'll see how that goes the. There is a pretty big partnership to happen as well as we can. Through was Microsoft and game. Stop of all places have entered into an agreement, a Ryan this surprise the heck out of me like I don't know. I don't know words came from I don't know what is happening right now but Microsoft is just making moves left and right I'm still not totally clear on what this will mean. Exactly it sounds like. implemented a lot of Microsoft systems into the store experience into game stop I read an article from game stock. The website that it might make game stops into like the apple store experience So he moves though this was a surprising move to me game. Stop seemingly finds these lifelines out of nowhere. Yeah I mean this is I i. Guess You could say this is mutually beneficial especially for game stop which we know. Especially, the models that were seeing today with cloud gaming in digital only purchases and things like that. These brick and mortar stores are struggling more and more as we move further along. So game top again, they have to figure out a way to be able to keep their stores open. You know because there's always gonna be a crowd of people that want those physical disks at least as long as they exist. So there's going to be you know there's people there that that that what that experience in one thing from them, this is huge. This is definitely going to keep them afloat longer just having some backing for Microsoft. This is going to be able to get them so that they're they are all basically working as one So I imagine there's going to be. It'll be a lot more efficient, and hopefully we'll see some changes within the stores as far as with this. I. Did see that they their stock jumped up forty percent So that's that was pretty huge in regards to that, and then also you know they're gonNa be offering I know there's other stores that are offering this as well, but they're going to be doing. Is the the package. xbox all access. So you basically, he can get the the new xbox as well as the all act says, Game Pass for twenty four months. I believe it's like thirty six dollars or something like that which is Great. Here's the other great part about that is that is interest free so you don't have to pay again Microsoft making these consumer moves. I. Really Really feel like they are they have listened to their base they are making moves to be able to make an have more interesting. Original Ip's under their belt. They are making consumer moves with the the having the the s series something. That's a really really consumer-friendly price at two, ninety nine. They're giving you all the games, all the platforms wherever you WANNA play again I. I. Really feel like we're seeing like almost on a daily or weekly basis where they are just making these power moves and saying like they are just executing this plan and we're starting to see these these these little pieces start to build a bigger picture. It almost makes you wonder our like Sony. Nintendo just kind of like watching a list what's happening? But. Clearly Microsoft. Has always had this vision and now they're executed in big ways and this is something where Sony is going to have to play catch up in a lot of different areas. I would say Nintendo Nintendo never seems to follow the trade anyway. So who knows what INTENDO IS GONNA do but This is really exciting. You know it's too money times. We see a company say we're GONNA listen to our customers, but they don't that's all lip service. Microsoft is clearly taken that to a very high degree. It's cool to see. Right it's cooled. We're seeing the future of gaming kind of unfolding those next steps in gaming. So that is fun to see what I always kinda laugh at with game stop though is you're you're entering into this partnership, but Microsoft is all about game pass, which means game stops not going to be selling many. Copy Microsoft has their way. That's kind of funny to me. Game starts always been in this weird spot whereas gaming's push toward a more digital future would is that leave a game store? So I don't know we'll see what happens. Yeah. According to this article as reading here on Seeking Alpha? Dot. COM I think he was saying that Microsof- accounted for about ten percent of new product purchases in twenty eighteen in twenty seventeen. So they're not getting a majority the majority of their their purchases are coming from Nintendo and playstation. So I think they're kind of going in already like look you know I I don't know. Exactly again I. Don't know what what? You know what Microsoft plan is for gimped game stop per se other than you know completely optimizing them and getting them all into the ecosystem. Again, they're building they're building a monolith is what we're seeing, and this is just one piece to that monolith. It is it would be kinda funny to by Lake Your playstation five from game stop run by Microsoft. Google. Exactly. You I also wanted to sneak in if for those of you, guys. That have been here for awhile since the early days remember when we were talking about Amazon coming out, they came out with their first game. It was called crucible ill as a Moba a free to play. Here, like a few months ago, they actually took it off the shelf and put it back in the closed Beta. So you couldn't get access to unless you already had the the game downloaded they recently here of a few days ago. Amazon just officially cancelled crucible, and they are sending that team basically to work on new world, their mammo so ripped to Crucible I played I played a little bit and okay ills okay. I. I'd have to say though like that's a hard genre to really jump into and and you know what I mean like it's not forgiving genre at all and You know I think I think was probably smarter them to to just let go of it and and move that team and move move those resources over new world which is looking and sounding like it's a lot more promising. Yet so this is has got to be the only game in video game history to be released. Then unreleased, and then my answer. Right of Brazi looking back on that when they did bring it back to closed Beta that has probably. Putting it on thin ice right there because the narratives already set right people are going to be like, wait a second. This guy released a now you're saying never mind the we got a lot of stuff to fix. I've got to be tough to overcome any way. Talk about the misfiring is with all the resources is on, has to come out swinging with a game like crucible. It never got off the ground Close not the best start for Amazon's gaming journey hitter. No but you know I feel like it's it's a very real start though you know what I mean their first their first Ip in ends up flopping and not doing. Well, you know there's there's always failure in his in a success story right? So this could you know again they're still added they're still. New World they still they they recently launched Luna's well. Also, I wouldn't be surprised if there's more in store for them. But yeah, this says you know they they quickly moved off from this instead of string and people along and you know possibly leaving hope out there for those that did enjoy playing crucible daylight we're going to be real at the. In it ain't. It ain't it so. You're on the new world team at your bar for success just got Lord so much you're breathing a sigh of relief. happened. Yet has got to be a weight lifted off the shoulders dude for sure. Oh Man. Yeah. Well, we'll see we'll see about new world oh You know I've heard a lot of promising promising things about that game and whatnot. So. Does should be that should be pretty solid I did want to before we take off here wanted to go through some of the we've had some some reviews studying failure. Says someone who enjoys video games myself podcast is an awesome listen. Thank you so much. We appreciate that. All he says I'm not a I'm not a Gamer but I still find this podcast interesting in host engaging keep on keeping our own. You know we will. Interesting. It just in gaming podcast with all the distracting banter. If so many podcast today when ham girl I fillion at we like we like to get right to the point and then stumble upon says I'm not a big gamer myself but a lot of my house mates are so this helps me know what they're talking about dancer I love the here you know what I mean just. Giving you guys little snippets of what's going on in a gaming world is fantastic. So thank you guys so much for reviewing and leaving us a comment we do. We do appreciate that love. You can also hit us up on twitter is at Lucas again or at Smitty two, four, seven Halla Lucas what are going on you finally did it this past weekend tell me how you felt. I swear when it got down to the final two people, my screen went dark for a second after I'd want to know what the heck was. Not It froze and I was about to rage quit like no other. I if that would have froze on me, I would have never picked up the game again, I would just been the note done fate does not want me to win this. Yeah sweet taste of victory was worth every second and to be honest I haven't played it since I've just enjoyed the victory. Away, that's mic drop right there. Right there. But Yeah I think I'M GONNA jump back into vendors. It's been a little bit since I played heavily. Let's going to be my plan this weekend. What about yourself? Nice I'm on that destiny to grind. I'm just trying to gear up and get everything that I came before beyond light drops here next month. So getting on that, it's been a little bit since I've been on Benders as well. So I might pick that up a little bit and I think there's another update that came out that recently came out for that I, don't know what kind of changes. Were in there but you know I mean those those those service games are you know they're they're tough man like I feel like definitely, you know from my standpoint I feel like there's definitely a lack of content right now in there and it gets a little monotonous. So it's like you know hopefully, they they they make some changes, bring some new things in and whatnot I know everybody would that. Yeah. I mean, this is probably a topic for another episode quickly eventers looks like it's getting toward a tipping point with its player accounts where. They. Need some new content to win people back. That's for sure. Yup. Absolutely my friend. 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Jason Schreier Leaves Kotaku - Kinda Funny Games Daily 04.16.20
"What's up everybody? Welcome to Kinda Funny Games. Daily Fourth Thursday April sixteenth. Twenty twenty. I'm one of your host Greg Miller alongside the okay beast blessing at junior. What'S UP GREG? Mit I got my coffee. Oh look at us. What kind of How how many Syracuse do you have in their zero? Come on now zero? I like it like my co happen. I hold on fuck fuck fuck as being it. How many. How much sugar do you have in your coffee? Zero zero cues. I like my coffee. I like my co host. Black right come on. Thank you. Thank you my question for you is. Are you drinking out of a pipe? Oh No I wish the Coffee Cup. It looks way like I'm not that fancy what I thought we were gonNA throw bones or something when we get home because of course he's got his own he's got that one word pipe he drinks. Yeah that's his Coffee Cup. No I like that. Where are we ever going to go back to? Blessing will work. What was that? He said he'll give me a world cup which yet I wouldn't want one also at the point where we call the studio home. I just miss it. I miss it really is it too. I miss it so badly and not that like not that this is going terribly or whatever but I feel so much more on make but I feel so off my game because one of those things where like all wake up get bed take a shower but for some reason I feel like I'm still like just fresh out of bed I don't feel is later on as I am in the studio. One hundred percent still taking showers. Yeah sorry sorry ooh because I think otherwise. I'm big stinky. If I don't yeah it's the feeling thing it's the thing you have to have some kind of routine right now right but I'm with you. I'm wearing basketball. Shorts and socks. No socks all the time. It's like it doesn't feel like you're going and there's even though it's not the exact same and it's not as bad as I thought it was going to be like the delays. We do have between each other. You know what I mean like the little things of doing a podcast. It's just not the same as being in the room being able to see where Kevin's eaten every now and then you'll have somebody cut out and it's like all right. I'm GonNa Guess that I know what I what they say. I'M GONNA fill that in. It was something horrible. Nick was going to exactly exactly. My next question was going to be like. What kind of pants are you wearing your wearing sweatpants? Or if you're wearing shorts I wear shorts everyday now. Oh and no socks now because of the problem is like such. You know this in general because you of course kind of best friend before you worked here. Then you've worked with them just disgusting. I have such a problem regulating. Heat that if I put on the socks early on when I was wearing socks I was just sweating even more in here. Because it's chair doesn't breathe the right way. I don't think and then all way overweight and that's a problem. Yeah I tombs Sock List Right now. And then yeah. We're wearing gray sweatpants. And so let me see. I mean people see my sweatpants. Before every day you non-immunised you see the new underwear only gentleman dressed that you remember when we started this call and you're like oh I'll reposition. I was like no it's fine. I'm in the Middle Sir. I'm supposed to be some between then in going live. I switched over to the right side on my screen. And that's why we started with the infant window now. I didn't even notice you know what I mean. Rams at this point how do you feel now? How do you feel now? You little fuck faces watching this content. You wanted the garbage truck on fire again and you're getting it. There's no stop to us what you want. And this is the kind of content. You WanNa begin you fucking in fucking Portillo. The whole show. Was this whole time when I when I said when you guys were like. Are you further back from the microphone and I said I'm about a Portillo's length? I wasn't joking bumper bowling. 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No yesterday as many of you pointed out in the chat live yesterday was a slow news day. Today there's a lot of news and it's gigantic pieces of news so let's get into it number. One blessing addio. Junior has happened. No Rier number one video games journalist is lever Qatar. Now we're not GONNA do the jokes today all right so I'll start with Jason's letter that he put up on hockey edited for length. So you should go over to Qatar. Obviously say goodbye to Jason. You should go over to his twitter following their and all that Jazz. You should watch him on. We have cool friends. Monday youtube dot com slash kind of funny twitch. Tvs kind of games. However here's some pieces from Jason's letter after eight years and some change. I'm leaving Cacao Friday my last day working for this website. I will miss. I will miss you all. Truth IS I've decided to leave the media and pursue my life's calling becoming a full-time saxophone player kidding. I'm staying in journalism where I will continue to report on the Weird Wild Industry and culture of Video Games. I've played a few weeks off to put the final touches on my second book and hang out with my seven month old and then I'll be doing brand new things at a brand new outwit. If you'd like to reach out to share a story. He looked reach out or share story. You can find me on twitter or email me anytime. Also be podcasting my good friends Kirk Hamilton. And MATTIE MYERS ALTHOUGH WE'LL NO LONGER HOSTING GUITAR SPLIT-SCREEN WE'RE STARTING A brand new video game. Podcast you can learn about on twitter. I don't think it'd be productive to spend too much time on the reasons. I'm leaving which will be obvious other than to say this. Now when he said well we obviously linked to the whole thing about like the deadspin. And how that fucking happen. I'm leaving which which will probably be obvious other than to say this when I think about what happened to deadspin dense when I think about what happened to deadspin bio builds in my throat after October. Twenty nine two thousand nineteen. It became clear to me that I could not work at this company for much longer. What I've always loved about this website is that thanks to the spirit of Gawker media. It's never been afraid. Simultaneous to be simultaneously serious and dump put another way. I'm glad that my final two articles here were number one a month long report into how work conditions at a video game company have improved as a result of public pressure and number two this which was one of his goofy stories. Here's something remarkable over eight plus years. It could talk you. I've never once been told not to write something because an advertiser might pull out or because piss off video game company or because it might upset the wrong people. The story always came first. Serving readers always came first. I'm grateful all the sources who have spoken to me over the past eight years. Some confidentially sharing things. They thought should be made public or speaking out about workplace conditions which takes serious cuts and others on the record telling stories about everything from randomized Zelda to translate old final fantasy game. My job has always been to inform and entertain people and that would not be possible without those who shared their stories. I'm also grateful to everyone who has read and supported us over the past eight years as a journalist is easy to fall into the trap of believing your work is beyond reproach but the truth is that comments corrections and feedback are what make us all better. I had so many great interactions with Catania readers over the past over the years whether it was in our common section prince back when it works or twitter. I'm on twitter or email or even real life events like packs and three. I hope you all continue following my work and staying in touch and calling me out full of it love. You could talk you deadspin forever. Press sneak fuck out now Jason's letter as it should be to Kentucky was saying Goodbye Talk. You what I found interesting. Is that after Jason. Put up his tweet Lincoln to this and talking about the new podcast up and actually why when I read to the next one blessed. Can you go to his twitter real quick and find out what the new podcast is called? It's called triple click triple triple click. Triple Click I think he. Everybody likes them structure. He also re tweeted this. It's an interview gene park over at the Washington posted with Jason about it so now. I'm going to read that article which gets more into why he's leaving in what we're talking about this deadspin go media stuff. If you didn't know Jason Schreier journalists known the video game industry for covering working conditions inside tight lipped game development studios announced his resignation from the video game news cycle Taco on Thursday citing dissatisfaction with the ownership and direction of parent company. Go Media Schreier. Who will soon take a position with another company? He declined to detail is the latest of several cocoon employees to depart the company while invoking go as the predominant reason. Kentucky owned and operated by Private Equity Backer of private equity backed go media since two thousand nineteen when it was sold by univision along with other sites formerly under the Gawker. Banner the site network which includes Gizmodo and the onion as well as the now defunct splinter to name. A few has gone through a serious a series of tumultuous ownerships and business changes most notably after the landmark. Hulk Hogan Invasion of privacy lawsuit that shut down its original ownership in twenty sixty quote. I've been through a lot with this company since two thousand twelve. We've been through a whole lot of management shifts and resignations and firings and drama. Shire told the Post. I've been through a lot of cataclysmic shifts because it always felt like through it. All we were guided by people who always cared about journalism and unfortunately I'm not sure that's the case anymore. End Quote. High profile resignations have played go media in the last year. The company staff has publicly clashed with ownership over how to run sites last summer. Deadspin lost its top editor. Megan Greenwell over the disagreements and eventually its entire editorial staff of parted or was fired. Schreier thirty two said his breaking point was when deadspin fired when deadspin fired senior editor. Berry for disagreeing with a management mandate to quote stick to sports which angered journalists on staff who would cultivate a reputation for aggressive off color reporting an essential eccentric Colin metairie. They argue it would betray. The online readership. Community bore out of their password. Trier wasn't the only editor to leave. Go media this week just Wednesday Gizmodo editor in chief. Kelly announced she was resigning. Excuse me he is. He is also only the latest in a series of high profile departures from pawtucket in December award winning reporter. Cecilia the ANASTASIO right. I can never say her last name. Oh yeah that sounds about right. Outta stays now Wrote a farewell piece taking shots. Go media's past decisions including the dissolution of Kacoos investigative reporting unit reporters Geeta Jackson and Joshua Rivera also resigned in January. The new management made it impossible for us to work year. That was a quote in a statement to the post a GOMIA spokesperson said quote. We thank Jason for his contributions to talk in. Wish him well in his next venture and quote. Trier said he's encouraged by how much games journalism. This is jumping in jeans article. By the way Schreier said he's encouraged by how much games journalism has evolved giving nods to longtime sites. Like gamespot quote. I watched a lot of growth in evolution over the years. And I've I've been really encouraged. He said I see a lot. More gaming sites Be More willing to rock the boat when it comes to game publishers. In the people we cover you see a lot less of the puffery that was prevalent. Twenty twenty five years ago in quote. Schreier said his biggest concern about the industry. Going forward was the lack of money flowing to games media sites many of which are relying on freelance writers quote. I wish there were more money in the fields. We doing the kind of reporting work that I think is really essential to keeping the gaming industry health and that the people in power in Games are held accountable. Trier set blessing. I've talked for a long long long long long long time. Have you did a good job? What what is your reaction on this good for him. Like I from the whole go media stuff going. That's been going on for a while but that really blew up late last year with the debt situation. Like I totally understand why Jason would want to leave and really like this is mainly Ongo media for mistreating. Their workers right like this happens. You Lose Jason Dryer. Who is one of the best in the business right now at doing what he does right like I would say Interrupt our best the gold standard right now from when we say man there is no view journalists. It always except for Jason Patric. And like you know you got on this list and I'm not taking a shot at Patrick into But yeah like you know. He was cited as goodbye by. Let it right. He was on who just broke the big old naughty dog story that went up on. Kotok this last month. And he's been breaking stories that are similar or the last few years. He's been doing a great job doing that right like he's been he's been the guy who has been allowing allowing us like lying like like gamers in the audience to have a more inside look into the culture of steals and understanding that culture looks like and in a way that's actually been enacting change like those are all talk about it like he's the one who wrote about the rockstar conditions right and then like he puts an statement right. This week has had enough. I guess yesterday right. Is that when we talk either this morning or yesterday and he talked about this yesterday when I was actually talking about how. We'll get to that in a second. That Jason is synonymous with Kentucky. I think that's what drives people to talk you. Yeah to have that. Not only 'cause that's the thing is I know that like for sure as we sit here and talk about Jason leaving I I'm Jason is a polarizing figure for so many people where I think you know I look at him as the gold standard for what video game journalism is right in terms of somebody who is out there trying to tell these stories and trying to put real span not really trying to put real world values to it right trying to take our entertainment goofy medium or you and I just want to talk about if this game good or bad and actually tell the stories of it right I give it a Gravitas. I guess but I also know that plenty of developers that I know People who work at studios aren't the biggest fan of him. And then there is this push and pull of people who aren't aren't or that because they didn't report fairly on their studios or something he did. It's obviously that's part of it ain't exactly right. That's how I was at the Columbia Daily Tribune. People really didn't like me because of the way I reported on the Columbia Housing Authority right like that is something that actually happens. And I think even if you don't like it in you're not happy with the report you have to respect the fact that he's there to do that and he's out there rattling cages and doing this. You gotTA respect that. He's out there reporting on pretty much everything as it's happening like I feel like for their outlet to know the percentage of Gateway Big Game Delays Happen But Jason Schreier was like there the night before hours before being be like. Hey look out for the last ones to delay. He didn't say verbatim but he I think before he did say something along the lines of like get ready. Some delays or happening right like. Yeah that happens all the time with Jason. Because Jason's writer has those connections and he has like he's built up such a good like a good system of of insider knowledge and contacts over the last however many years. He's been doing this that yeah like he is the best in the game right now and so the fact that go media and Kotoka losing him. That's a loss for them. Like that's I. I'm curious to see how Kotok moves going forward in terms of what they're like. They're big pieces of content art because without without Jason. You're missing out on a lot of those big scoops that I think Mako talk you valuable that I think Mako talk what it is and of course like they're still talented people at at at all. Dryers Jason. Try to listen yesterday because I think this is all tied into The GM stuff too. Did you hear the or read about this here yesterday? Ripe were talked about you know. Gm coming on and making this big posts. About how like Oregon the features that were key to our relaunched last year. We're stopping doing because we just can't keep going that way and that sucks and we're worried and the post it wasn't that GM was closing down but it also made it sound like we don't know what is going to be. I think this is why Jason came up yesterday when I was talking about. This is that I feel like when you have a tent pole personality. Who's doing something that's different in the industry or these doing better than most in the industry you have a reason to go there and have them be that in with Jason. Leaving it does get interesting of. Don't get me wrong Stevens. Doing great stuff over there Mike does cool stuff over there. Like there's there's a cool things happening on Kentucky I'm not trying to take shots Taco but I do wonder then. Yeah what is the big driver to GET PEOPLE TO ATTACK DOT COM? 'cause outside of the show where they do the amazing job of having the best roundup of what comes out every day for with their and check on like. I was mostly sourcing talking for stuff like this where I'd be going over there and finding and then I'd read Jason's article and then some of the click on it like. Oh this is news because I could get roped report that way whereas losing your main draw to something. Why are you going to that site? And why wouldn't I get whatever I clicked on Daca from Jian from gamespot? Whatever and that's not to say that everybody's doing the exact same things but a lot of times. The things that would apply to this year would be yeah. I think Jason is a big part of what made Kotok special right like having him there and having an MBA be be the one to break stories like the rockstar thing. Like the like the night. Log thing You know like the the whole visceral games. Yeah Visceral Games with everything. Right laying laying out that whole story. Be The one to really dig it. I think he also did tell 'til right like he did a wholesaler on. I believe he did a whole talkative. Who wrote it? And I don't Wanna I don't WanNA credit every amazing thing. 'cause you mother fuckers but like a lot of the big stories. That come could talk. You are Jason and like once again. I don't want to throw. I do WANNA throw Chicago media. Because they're the ones that they're the ones that like. They're the reasons why you're the reason why Jason's leaving interesting. It's interesting in trying to you. Know I things take time it's interesting. It's taken this long because remember when I remember talking about on this show where when dead space got everybody left. Her fired. All went down in the Then it was. They put in those auto play ads in every one of US sites. Put up there things like. Hey we hate these two so email the our boss at this thing. In all of those got taken off the sites without the editors actually taking the articles down like somebody. A third party came in and took all his fucking zone. That would have been. And I'm talking on my ass here. Obviously but that would have been for me the moment of like I gotta get the fuck out of here and clearly. That's what is happening but I guess that day. It wasn't like cool. We all quit. But I'm talking in a fictional world to worry about paying your fucking advocate for video games media and video games journalism especially like. I wonder if it's just a thing of like there's not. There's not that many options out there like I imagine for I. For what kind of funny does right for like Burr? Greg Miller in the team like peace. Now for my gm you guys already have built in audience. They could. They could like count on to be there with kind of funny because you guys have specialized in this particular thing like I feel like doing that. Selena thing but with video games. Journalism is probably like way more difficult because it's harder to get people's eyes on that type of written content especially if if you're not turning. Us stuff out. You have like a big expose like once a month. Is that enough to keep people? Invested in a site that specializes in that thing will be someone that something interesting the five star and wrote into Patriots Dot com slash. Kind of funny games just like you can. And says hey. Kfi GD crew with Jason Schreier announcing his departure from Kentucky. Where do you think Jason Goes Next? He mentioned goodbye letter that some of the favorite things he has gotten to do. We're only possible to plays like soccer. Do you think there's a chance the quote news outlet? He is set to begin with Could be him. Starting his own company like kind of funny did or something or something like that even be possible either way. I'm excited to see what comes next for him when he returns. Thanks for all you do. Especially now we're what's what's Jason's next. Move Blessing I I mean I think there's a few options like vice gaming. The won jumped immediately. Because I feel like his voice would fit. Well there with Patrick with Austin A polygon also comes to mind but I don't know if that's like those. Those are the two sides that that means we come to mind. As far as where Jason's voice would probably fit in terms of the types of the type of reporting. He does it in his quote here right in his letter here. He says I'll be doing brand new things at a brand new outlet like does that mean Exactly that brand new to create a brand new from scratch dot com whatever. You're going to call Patriot and you know what I mean. Yeah and I wonder like the fact that it's not like a mass exodus from Kotok. Who makes me wonder like like? Is he going to start something with just other journalists that may like I don't know man that may have their work not not not able to go up from what we call the news story that we're talking about yesterday? Right like is with some reporters is he. Is he going to do something on his own? Like that doesn't seem I feel like that doesn't seem as feasible or as like. I don't necessarily see that something that Jason would want to do like stars company in order to do journalism but like who knows like the the road of the Internet right now. Like they're you. You have the option to like go about doing something by yourself Jason Star Patriot. I imagine it probably could be a very successful patron but I'm curious. If that is the route he would wanna go. Yeah that's the thing is. I don't see that because I feel like that would be so hard I mean again. Maybe I'm thinking of it too small because you're talking about starting zones atrium like a one man show right where then it gets weird because sometimes I'm sure how much how much is he in his audience going to hold him to actually writing stuff. 'cause obviously stuff where you know he's GonNa be on month long investigation and was working on something. Big So is he then just making things to make things at which point people are like? Why am I saying for this then? I thought it was interesting right. Because reading brand new things in a brand new outlet. If it's just new to him you know he just done a New York Times piece not too long ago this month right. Yeah like a a week year April fourth. I have here. But even there they call them. You know the byline was by. Its own opinion piece. But by Jason Schreier. Mr. Shirt is the author of blood. Sweat pixels the triumphant turbulent stories behind. How Video Games are made? No mention of Kazakh at least in his little byline there. I don't I didn't actually read the entire the I didn't period. I just saw a tweet. Let me did one could it? I was like maybe. That's a sign. He's going there but I think the fact that he's talking in his goodbye letter about how amazing it's Manica talking to do something totally serious and then totally goofy. Is that something you want to give up? Because I don't think the New York Times going to be goofy Shit but yeah you WANNA go down in double down to that. Can we read into the fact that he you know? Gene Park seems to have exclusive here from the Washington. Post that they've been what do they call? What's the post call their new thing? They're gaming thing has a name not pixel yeah host? I can't think of that. Is they called it? Something video gaming nearby launcher launchers. What he's saying. Oh yes sounds right. That sounds right. It's a goofy thing of course like launcher without meat or something. I don't know who the hell knows. I all I know is when you put in Washington Post Video Games it just brings you to Washington Post Dot Com and it just says video gaming at the top and then there's all these articles launcher. Yeah Video Game. News and analysis tips to help you win like that can be an interesting fit. You know what I mean. 'cause I again. I don't know how goofy the Washington Post guests but again to whatever his contract or whatever. If you wanted to do goofy stuff you can have a blog. You can have it wherever you can have a Patriot on there where you're giving insight behind the scenes. What you're doing right. Yeah so. The launcher was introduced. Looks like in October of last year right and so still fairly young and so like you bring in like a Jason tries to come through chasing. Can't help mold like what that looks like can help mold like the voice of it and what that is going forward similar to like Austin Walker in waypoint so awesome. Was there from the ground floor. But I'm I'm curious. If that could be the move him if they give him like a very like high up position launcher Bouna. How that works. Yeah I mean. I was somebody who went to lunch. We kind of knew right and it was the least famous. Formerly of game informer Yeah I don't know I you know. Part of me wants to see them do their own version of kind of funny of what that would look say that just because it does. Kinda funny easy allies Min Max whoever write a note. What would it be like? What is the content you could create with a team behind you right in like other people? Who are doing it in. Is it a site? Just a patriarch is it. Is it video stuff? Like I always thought that'd be interesting. Jason but yeah. It's a brave new world here for video game journalism for Jason for talking for sure like there's a bunch of questions not to mention the fucking timing of this right of giving up your secure job where you're the best in the business during the pandemic corona virus. Going this thing. 'cause you know we talked about it a lot and I continue to say. I think maybe just a stress. How much creators need you in your help? Everybody who's listening watching but like when this is all done the dot coms and the Patriots and the all the other podcasts. You used to listen to. Some of them are going to be there anymore. Like as people get more a conservative with their money take back pledges as advertisers get more conservative to take back their Dollars for that as people's Resources in time management shifted things. That are more important. Like it's going to be interesting to see who standing when this is all over and so even for something like this German columns here but like you look at like the xfl or even wwe who just had layoffs in the Xfo who just filed for bankruptcy right but XFL for all intents and purposes seemed like. They had it together. This time seems like they had a good start to the season they had. They had it all like they were integrate place but then something completely out of blue comes along like this right and I'm not at all throwing shade or saying anything like this but like I think something like launcher. Isn't that same boat where it's like. It's answered the best intentions. It's doing great because you know you're investing time and money into this to get it going to build up to do the thing right but as the Washington Post Decides Man. We gotta start tightening our belts subscribership down this down advertising down. Where do you start cutting things back? Now we're back to the conversation layoffs the. Wb you start seeing that contract right and so yeah. That is the thing of if Jason's going somewhere else that's awesome in grade but I hope it all works out and obviously who knows. No one knows it's going to happen. Day-to-day anywhere anymore. But yeah. I'm very excited to see where he goes like. No matter where it is I think he won the fact that he's out a good on him lake. I'm I'm happy for him but then also like somebody who's going to be getting like a really good would Jason Schreier Guy. Whoever it is and so. How're that shakes out? I'm very very curious to see me to blessing drinking water pipe. So it's just it's just a tall Green Cup. Is this a Tall Green Cup without? I understand why it looks like a war pipe. 'cause I probably could have gotten away with saying you want said yes and then I would have said it. Looks like an awkward pipe. So it's not perfect but it's like close enough video game show for sure number two on the rope. Report looks like playstation five. Consuls are going to be limited like we were talking about and worrying about. This comes from Bloomberg's Takashi Mochizuki and Yuki Furukawa Sony Court plans to produce far fewer units of its upcoming playstation. Five in its in its first year then. It had for the previous generation consoles launch. According to people familiar with the matter the tokyo-based tech giant is limiting its initial production. Run in part because it expects the. Ps five ambitious specs to weigh on demand by leading to a higher price at launch. The people said asking not to be identified because the subject is private the global Kobe. Nineteen pandemic has affected. Sony's promotional plans for the new device but not its production capacity. They added the company has told Assembly partners. It would make five to six million units of the playstation five in the fiscal year ending March. Twenty twenty one. According to other people involved with the machines supply chain when Sony release the playstation four in November twenty thirteen. It sold seven point five million units in. Its first two quarters so again. Five to six million. Ps Five whereas playstations. I do quarters. Ps four seven point five million units the PS FIS LOFTIER PRICE. Tag May also deter initial take-up game developers who've been creating titles for the next playstation anticipate is price to be in the region of four ninety nine to five hundred and forty nine point. Four is what I did that for. Ninety nine to five hundred. Nine and Bloomberg intelligence is Matthew Kanter man points to increase component costs pushing up the price required four seventy to break. Even Sony struggled with his price setting decision for the playstation five because of scarce components. Bloomberg News has reported Sony. Spokesperson declined to comment it. Shares were largely unchanged in afternoon trade the PS five production volume could stay could change depending on the cove in one thousand nine situation. People said Sony has asked employees work from home to mitigate the spread of the virus and its board has been unable to meet to approve business plans for the current fiscal year including those for the playstation unit. That meeting was originally scheduled to take place in March. Sony said last month that he plans to release the results of the year ended march on April thirtieth but maybe force to push that date back due to the DEMOC. The virus is already abandoned. Sony's promotional plans dig naming. Here's some interesting stuff. The company may forego hosting a public press conference for its. Ps Five released eight. An price unveiling DOODOO infection fears recently. It was forced to reveal. Its dual sense. Ps five controller in a hurried fashion. According to people informed on the matter while only a small circle within Sony are privy to the appearance the playstation five council the controller has been shared with outside developers and the company. Feared it might. I'm sorry it couldn't control leaks. They said which is called blessing. Yeah that's one thing that I feel like we didn't talk much about is like we talked all about the controller and all about the features control in how we felt and all that stuff. But we didn't really talk much about the nature of how they revealed it and this makes a lot of sense even though like coming off the wired articles playstation has been doing their ps five. Roll out I feel like the controller being revealed just a blog on PS blog like. That's it didn't come as a shocker. But this added context. I feel like just makes lot of sense right. People are developers getting the controller. You can't really control a call. This gives daily man. I was on top of it. You just because you didn't mean it didn't happen. Bless you just it. Always of course only way. I know that like that. That makes sense. He'd call Greg. It's okay job on that very much. Also talk from. Ps I love echoed explained that we understand that the controller triggers are not the exact same on the xbox there was a group in the CIA and the comments that were ready to dragged through the streets and tar and feather us for it. I'm like no I I understand. I spoke quickly and loosely on it. I'm saying I don't care in the same way I don't care about. The rumble and xbox is triggers. I digress. Don't worry about it. Sony remains unlikely to delay the launch of the. Ps Five from the critical year and shopping season so long is archive of our arch. Rival Microsoft Corp doesn't push back the release of its next generation. Xbox also expected at the end of the year so he won't delay either. The people said some analysts believe the close contest for tension between the playstation and xbox especially in the US may force both companies to sell their new consoles at a loss quote. I think both the playstation five series Xbox series eggs may end up at A. Us dollars four hundred and fifty even though they would lose money at that price said daming phone. An analyst at Macquarie Capital suppliers started delivering components to playstation five assemblers who are scheduled to begin mass producing the product by June Sony. Playstation Sony playstation chief. Jim Ryan has stressed that the machines launch should be simultaneous around the globe. According to people in the company's supply chain blessing. I talk time on that one too. Big a big on meaty stories that there's a lot here but I think this is further confirmation that yeah the PSI was likely going to be five hundred dollars on the story. They save like five hundred to five fifty four ninety nine two four nine nine five forty. Yeah I imagine it'll come out to a five hundred one. I don't think they're going to want to have that halfway point. Even though I know this is like A. It's it's overall. This is just a weird time for for them. In terms of manufacturing in terms of where the parks parts are shaking out at in terms of The manufacturing cost plus the shortages like. Yeah that's interesting but yeah that tells me that is going to be five hundred dollars the whole the whole delaying thing right but then not delaying the PS five because until like Microsoft delays xbox series that being kind of the decision making right. Now I think also makes sense like I understand that. You like this all seem. This all seems expected. This is more added context so kind of what we we've already known. That's where I'm at. Well that's the Nice thing about. It is to see granted these unnamed sources and who knows Yadda Yadda. But it's interesting to finally hear from the inside what we've been saying from the outside right number one of the controller at that's awesome or whatever but then the fact of know that you'll still launch this year. They'll just be fewer Matt's now it's interesting that the fewer the fewer places fives being made for the fiscal year really come down to component costs. Not so much in supply chain versus covert right. It wasn't that even though there's parts to that and there's a back and forth about that like Kobe involved but it's not. The main problem is what's interesting about that. How do you feel about the idea that will probably have like Nintendo situation with the? Ps five with like how many there manufacturing versus how many like ps four is manufactured in to feeling. It's I feel like you're going to have that regardless right for causal launches for the most part right and I'm talking about like the first couple of weeks right. It seems like they're always hard to get your hands on. It's rare that you're like I didn't get this. Maybe I'll walk into his. Even though we you headlines I remember to get the we you and like that I feel is going to happen regardless and I think what's interesting about this is we started talking about these premium price. Points right a five hundred bucks and then become a question of to like. How do you launch something? That is a entertainment device. But I mean really a frivolous purchase. Right like how do you do something? That's usually you'd save your fucking money for but you're launching it on the heels of Orangeville not in the middle but in a pandemic right. Yeah people are so worried. I mean how many people were laid off. How many people are cutting costs here? And they're like I'm not saying it's in possible. I'M NOT SAYING THEY'RE NOT GONNA sell out. I'm not saying that but I mean I think the lowered supply of them having two million less units than you had for the playstation four while on paper. I'm sure many is possible. They want to make as much money as possible. It isn't a bad gamble to make them scares and have it be driven up because there's people like us that are going to you know all right cool like it's rough right now. I'm not sure what's going on. But I'm fucking GONNA save my money for the playstation. Yeah I WANNA make sure I'm GONNA playstation five on launch so it's five is essential for exactly. Yeah and I mean. That's the thing is like your money's worth what your money's worth to you in putting that aside and that's GonNa be your you know reward or that's going to be your bright spot or your Christmas and all this. I think there's definitely enough you going to do that. And get to that point where they are ready to do it. But I don't think it's going to have the same. Hey my best friend comes over and looks at it as like. Oh yeah you know what I WANNA drop that today too like I that will. I think we'll be more than one times change or maybe next year. Whatever when I get my job back. I'm not on unemployment when I'm not struggling to get enough hours. Whatever I'm working or something maybe it'd be something that given what we know where we're at given what we know right now with the. Ps five manufacturing and in general. Do you think the. Ps five ends up outselling. Ps four when it's all said and done because it seems like starting off. It's not a in the first year. It's not going to outsell the first year. I don't think I right now. Taking a guess in obviously we're taking stab at something not knowing what it's GonNa look like knowing even knowing the games or anything right exactly I would say no because I do think it's going to have a much slower start. And then it'll be harder to pick up that momentum as you go and again I I think I think even even once we get out of this in or back to being able to go to the movie theaters restaurants and everything else. I think this will hang on so people's heads that I do think that they're going to change their buying habits to some degree and I'm asking because again like video games gonNa be around cost so we're going to sell it. I I imagine push five and xbox series extra going to sell fine to do all these different things but we're going to be in a new world in the same way and I don't and I'm not trying to be wonder missed at all because this is an an alarming thing. I think it's just the truth of like you know there's a in my life in my time line in my head. There's a definitive moment of what was before nine. Eleven and after nine eleven and I don't mean I don't mean terrorism in this fear I mean the fact of like everything's batch like this is like we're living history center. It's just going to be different. And I think just the fact that it's going to be different on. That level means that this next generation console and complying this too frivolous. That's not what I mean. Entertainments many Kevin. What's the word I'm looking for? A non essential spending okay. We'll say that essential spending is. I think he's GonNa be a different ball of wax on how you do that. 'cause especially because it's going to be during this time people have eaten into their savings. People are in credit card debt people into all of these different things figure While there's always there's always people who are having trouble like I would definitely say this playstation four causal generation has happened at a time when the economy's booming right or to some extent or like doing well where it did. I mean like things are bouncing back. Bill Yeah and it. Was this idea that you know like keep applying it to us and what it is. I mean right when we come out of this like and smaller people who were on youtube have stopped making videos. Are People still going to think that they can bootstraps and going patriot? To make their own business like is that still a thought you know what mean like. This thing that people are is going to be a snap back to. I want benefits and I want this or is it going to be that since people have lost that we're talking about high level economics here in sociology. But I don't fucking understand I mean I mean for like when people have less. Disposable income to are going to have less. Disposable income minority do have less disposable income to work with right like the amount and I don't mean to be to be doom and gloom and. I know we talk about Kobe. Literally every single day at this point but like the amount of every everyone does. It's the worst Because it's so depressing but the amount of people. I've seen in my time line. That have lost their job. Like that alone is going to speak to how how you see people spending over the next few years if not over the next decade and that's I mean again. I was lead with this. So don't panic. Kind of funny is fine. We're doing fine. Everything's okay but for us like when you go to patriotic and as far as us in looking are patriot and you see everybody has an exit survey for why they leave and you open it in. Most of them are blame because she was do it. But then there's so many that are got laid off Kobe. Kobe Co Corona virus. La Off like it's like clear granted you know you're giving us a dollar. So maybe you're taking a dollar a way to make sure you can put it away to. I think pay rent do food. Yeah the to put in your place. He should fine. I told you we get like I understand. Like you WanNa talk this all shakes out but how many people are like. Why are you know? I'm GONNA ride the playstation for another year or two because it is that thing of especially for a launch of any council for the most part but especially for something as backwards compatible right like it's going to be cool and it's going to be awesome and it's GonNa have a bunch of bells and whistles but you're still going to have a great experience on the playstation for. It's it's still. It's still going to be how playstation two still put out God of war to after the launch of the playstation three playstation thing that you could have a playstation three then. But you don't need to. You can still get you know an in. I think to that point. I think this generation more than previous ones more than recent previous ones. At least it's going to have so much crossover in terms of games that are cross Chen Games that you can play on either platform like it seems like that's going to last longer this time around in a way that people feel less to what you're saying feel compelled to buy a new console. Because why would I buy a new car so when I can just play cyberpunk on my? Ps Four or why? Buy New Console. And I can just play watchdogs legion or whatever like early next. Gen game or like the next day next game within the first few years I can just buy them. I current consul Halo Infinite. Exactly wasn't you're a peach today? Grab questions so because I had to go run and do something. This is just one. Have we answered? I feel like we might have answered it because we just talk so much about this season. Yeah we pretty much answered this. Thank you for writing is always Nanna but we we we answered before I see you in. You're wrong giving me good stuff too. So we'll get to you actually number three though. This one is called followups some quick stuff based on what you've heard had kind of funny games daily both this week and last a crisis remastered. Israel. This is Joe scrambles than I in a crisis. Remastered has been revealed and his quote coming soon to ps four xbox one P. C. and ten dose which at the time of writing a heading to the crisis is heading to the crisis websites. Cookie page will show you the crisis. Remastered logo clicking on that logo leads you website with new are to go with the website. Were BREEDS CRIME. Techs groundbreaking critically acclaimed first person shooters back crisis. Remastered is coming to PC playstation four xbox one and intendo switch the Games debut unintended. Oh Platform Boards often double zero in about this blessing and says good morning. Greg blessing the question that every single person has asked when new hardware ever shown is now going to get this answer. Yes it can run. Crisis crisis is being remastered for everything and is adding new enhancements like better textures and everyone's favourite graphic rendering technology retracing now on the side. It's making it seem like the classrooms are getting this ray. Tracing technology tend to switch and including in the center switch. And I have to ask you people reasonably think which can handle. Ray Tracing Nintendo's usually behind the curve on graphics technology but with Ray tracing large talking point for next generation will Nintendo's hand before Stu include ray tracing in switch pro or the switch to as Nintendo has partnered with video the company who was pushing ray tracing on. Pc thanks and stay safe boar's double zero. Yeah the Nintendo switches not going to retrace the thing found. I think he'd be fair. The website even run saint is having trouble running. Throw the first one it did. Maybe I'm talking on my ass. Kinda not one but the first time. Okay because I was GONNA. I don't know when the embargo embargoes probably before right on switch got announced. Yeah 'cause I got that. Let's just not even though you know you can google into that one later the bar. Oh It's not tempt fate on that one but like this. So let's let's back it up a bit crisis yes. A very intensive game consoles is awesome. It running on cringing councils because on prehistoric consoles like running on switch period. Isn't that crazy because Crisis Crisis One and the other crisis games were on xbox three sixty. Nps Three when it comes to ray tracing. Yeah I do wonder like. I think they've taken down there. Page the that like you could access via the cookies thinker even saying. Yeah so I. I can't see but if they are advertising that it can retrace on switch then that is that that's not good. That's not good because they won't be able to to handle that because retracing is more of a hard thing than software thing like ray tracing is something that you have to have like the hardware in order to like in order to simulate which is the right word but far I guess. We're that can like simulate ray tracing give me a better word if there is one but yeah maybe the best they can do is try and recreate the idea a retracing all switch like I don't. I'm not a technology person like I don't like those textures. It would miss that thing. It would just run. Yeah you're applying. What would be a low running? Pc to it right. Yeah like I imagine you take like you look at the versions that are available on three sixty three and this which will probably look pretty pretty comparable to those ones slightly better. I don't imagine the switch whereas and we'll look anything like the. Ps Four or experts versions NATO biologists and you're wrong gives me a link to the polygon article about the third switch impressions Quote the results are mixed bag? The team found that the switchboard approaches parody with the original playstation three and xbox three sixty versions of the game particularly in seven twenty p resolution in handheld mode. It doesn't fare nearly as well undock mode as the ten. Eighty P resolution decreases the games already poor frame rate so fuck it. I was right. Yeah you're wrong says retracing his software but real time ray tracing needs hardware tell the accelerated so I think like we'll see what the switch version man like in in. You know what I mean. I even like the witcher right. The which are you know which became a switch and we are stoked and then you're like okay. Cool there's less textures. Bassolino filter on it like there's going to be concessions made. Yeah remember three so I was GONNA say crisis is already like an older game at this point. So it's not like it's not like it's going to look like Garbo on the joke of Qena crisis from like literally two thousand nine hundred thousand ten when I started asses. Christ two thousand seventeen thousand eight when I started the Veggie when I even then I was like all right and I remember it finally came. I WANNA say complex three and I played it and it was like Aren't game kinda sucks. I get that it was pretty. But who cares who fucking cares. Shot up everybody On Your follow ups here number. Be Three beat. We'll call it. We haven't yet another update on the cooking. Mama drama remember yesterday it. We finally had our answer. It seem that office create the people who have the WHO owned cooking. Mama have licensed into planet entertainment to get new game made. They didn't like it and said don't release it planet. Entertainment said Fuck you or releasing it and everybody's like what? We're looking at suing people. That's why I got taken down. We did our thing on it. Of course this forced planet entertainments hand. Put out this statement on twitter planet. Entertainment wants to explain the mystery surrounding nintendo switch game to all cooking Mama Cook Star. Fans Office creates office create the rights holder to? Mama approved a detailed game design in twenty nineteen first playable. The game developer in planet followed the exact approved design. That design is the exact game. Unintended switch which also includes many additional office create suggestions which had play value. Unfortunately creative differences arose as cooking Mama. Cook Star was near completion. That were outside of the scope of our agreement in the game design approved by office create by contract planet is within full within its full rights to publish cooking. Mama Cook Star. There is no active litigation or ruling that prevents planet for publishing the game. Cooking Mama fans have been very enthusiastic about cooking Mama Cook Star including the many new features including vegetarian and Unicorn. Food POTLUCK party plus more. We appreciate the overwhelming positive response of not true that is not true and sport from cooking. Lava COOKS ARE FANS office. Create has our total respect. We thank them for their wisdom and wish them well. This is like the greatest Beef of this year so far. Who would have thought that it would be cooking? Mama Cook Star. That would be this drama center. It's crazy 'cause legit just last week. I'm okay April fifth which was always go right. This is the blockchain one right you you had it on. Two Consecutive Games daily where talking about it was mysteriously pulled down and people don't know why then it was the next day there's a rumor that looks like it might have been in. This thing was farming blotchy. So I WANNA I wanNA point out that the cooking Mama Cook Star. Twitter only has five hundred ninety five hundred and thirty four followers as of the time recording. This which is crazy right and there's no verification and I like if somebody told me that this is a fake account that was like mental spoof cooking Mama and I would be inclined to believe that said just a couple of weeks ago April fifth. They tweeted this. We know that cooks fans are anxiously awaiting for the game to appear in the shop as everybody is aware the whole world is upside down with delays right now at planet entertainment. We're inches as you are for the digital download to be available in the meantime Momma Cook Star is available in many North American and European retail. Stores that's dumb implying that this is more of a Kobe thing than an active litigation thing or like a beef with their with their parent company thing or with Ip on her kind of thing and so like they've already like I'm not one to take sides in corporate beef but like I don't know man planners Hamer has kind of lost my trust yet. The conflict being straw for blessings broke the camel's back. This is funny though. This is this is it's such a fascinating cooking. Mama is so weird but like I'm enjoying the back and forth so much I appreciate again then. I was right on this one because yesterday I was like what would possess them to do something. It's gotTa be illegal thing. They must say in one of their contracts. They must think they've got the rights here to do whatever the fuck they want. Yeah and like earlier show. There was like an article from screen rant where they insider information now saying essentially this but then that insider information got rebuttals and people were like. We don't know if this person is actually real like isn't such a fascinating thing to follow. Jason. You know what I mean. He's got to get to the bottom of kickstart Hong Mann and then on your your final follow up here as we continue to report on things. We've reported on Three C is that games come is a officially going all digital. I talked about how the German government was like. Hey No live events at least through August thirty first which would have been forced to games calms hand to then go all digital like. They said they would today. They put out this statement. Dear names calm community. It's official. Unfortunately Games com will under no circumstance take place on site in Cologne this year. Just like many of you. We are disappointed because as the Games team we've been working on a wonderful game com twenty twenty four months just like the many exhibitors however it is also quite quite clear to us in the face of the corona pandemic. We must stand united. This means that we must all be considerate of each other and reduce the risk of infection. We are however already working at full speed on a digital games come. It is after all the world's biggest event for games and that's what it should be again this year. You can already look forward to how we will celebrate the Best Games and games come together with you in millions of games worldwide at the end of August even if it will only be a digital and not on location this time because one thing is certain this year two games come is and will remain the heart of gaming. We will reveal more about this in the next few weeks until then stay healthy and don't forget to Hashtag stay home play together your Game Com team and then they ended with regarding already purchased tickets all pay tickets will be refunded. Colonia. My own. Were they actually do? It came back to that. I can't pronounce. We'll arrange this centrally in the coming weeks. There is nothing further for you to do love it. What a what. A great statement right to the point telling you what they're GONNA do. And then you look at e three and espn and then like mom. I'm surprised it took them this long to commit to just doing a digital event it was. I think it was the same day. Three was cancelled was the day that they opened up ticket. Purchases and remember being like I don't understand I don't. I don't know why you think that you're going to be able to get that many people in one place by August because games is huge like we look at pictures. It's gigantic right. 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