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Fresh "Cold" from Steve Trevelise
"Gateway. Steve Travel is your thoughts on President Biden 60% approval rating. His New Jersey one on 1.5 past traffic. North and Parkway now is rightly and work by 1, 35 and Clark. And then you've still got at least two left lanes closed after 1 43 in Irvington. This because of a car fire, the left and center lanes are closed with all the activity there, left and center lanes remain shut down. Farther up the line approaching 1 45. That's where construction is the problem and then on the North bound Turnpike Eastern Spur. All lanes are closed for construction until six a.m. Route nine and Lakewood both directions. Broken water main by Main Street. All lines are shifted until about four in the morning. They're saying and then farther north, Route nine North Perrin wrote an old bridge couple lanes. Knockdown for construction. Holland Tunnel with the schedule closure at 11 this sport sponsored by Unbound out or GTA Girl in Kenya dreams of becoming a doctor, an elder in Guatemala dreams of being part of a community reach out and change their world. It will change your own unbound dot org's traffic every 15 minutes. Next report 11 03 on New Jersey one on 1.5. Jersey one of 1.5 instant weather. Partly cloudy tonight chilly but not as cold as recent diets. Lower 34 just below freezing some outlying areas, but a nice warm.
What if we vaccinated everyone in poorer countries first?
"Hello this is corona cost a daily podcast all about the coronavirus. I'm health reported teigen. Thailand and opposition journalist alter norman swan is tuesday the ninth of march two thousand and twenty one. So let's talk today about who gets vaccines when and let's talk about it from a global perspective because we've been talking a lot in australia about phase one a phase one b and all that sort of thing but really we have virtually no virus. It'll in australia. And it's running rampant around the globe and as we were saying yesterday when the virus running rampant in poorer countries. there's a high likelihood of variants popping up. That could cause problems with vaccines that we've got so ruth is ask us. Would it be betta for australia to vaccinate ourselves first and then turn our attentions to helping. Poor countries get vaccinated all to prioritize vaccinating people in poor countries first and then vaccinating australians. Second well there is a way through this but it's politically fraught one is that you could really go and make sure that all workers. That's everybody airport. Workers airport catering workers airline crews etc and their families and households are all unionized and preferably with the pfizer. Vaccines works quickly and his high performance. Hopefully against the variance and higher performance than astra. Also if you were to immunize. Australians before they come back home harder much harder to do then serious pretty well protected with our contact tracing and so on. And we've got time and therefore you could in theory divert two countries around us at an earlier. Stage the problem there is we would have to actually go into those countries and help them implement. It's not enough just to jump. Fis are at their door and hope that it actually gets there. We would have to devote resources to helping like we did with hiv by the way to helping. Those countries implement prevention and implement immunization campaigns. Many of them are pretty good at it but the probably need help to do that. So it's not just. The vaccine is the services in order to do it and the cold chain which is quite considerable so the issue could and it makes public health sense internationally if you could suppress this in countries where it's running rampant and have fewer variants being thrown off. Then you would actually make a big difference. But if you think of indonesia it's a huge country with a vast population and it would require concerted international effort to make sure indonesia it's enough doses and implements them and then you've got the pacific islands some of which are very competent. Doing this sort of thing and some of which might have problems. It's not straightforward australia's a rich country. But it's not particularly be country on the global scale would estimating vaccines really make that much of a difference. Mchugh difference to the pacific islands where the populations are small and we could certainly deliver enough vaccine to really get great coverage and places like fiji to value solomon islands and so on because the small populations and we can certainly devote enough vaccine there to get really great coverage the issues indonesia which is going too fast population as i said and chaotic health system in some parts and some of the islands massive cappella ago. So the question is what do you do. But indonesia howdy helping to nesia the sort of those. We could give would be a little bit of a drop in the ocean which require other nations to help out am and other suppliers to help heart.
Jalen Hurts speaks on the Carson Wentz trade for the 1st time
"Jalen. Hey how you doing. Hey how are you doing. I can't complain of what is jalen hurts. Doing in his downtime here getting ready for two thousand and twenty one season jalen. There's thorough just grinding down in Spending some time with family and friends But you know. Prepare myself for for the upcoming season and working with the same trainer that train. Patrick mahomes bobby stroup right. Yes sir yes sir. I'm a lot of good work out with him. Not a lot of you know. The guy has a lot of knowledge and i. i just wanted to be a part of it. You know. I trust them So working liquids debut as well. So i'm excited than a lot of good work in a lot of productive working. You've worked with. Quincy every the quarterback coach in the past right. But bobby is new edition correct. Well i've I was with bobby a little bit. Maybe for like a few days Relationship with him. You'll need to take down but technically guy you know. They're from toddler. East texas i'm from houston texas but i felt like it was the right time to go with them. So yeah what's your life for a texas guy to live and work in philadelphia. It's a bit different. You know run-up. I'm used to obviously the weather being different Humidity being crazy and the weather's just been unpredictable. Weren't silly you know you kinda can engage it off of what time of the year it is with. What's going gonna get everything a little bit closer closer. North bennett is down. South texas louisiana alabama mississippi area but It's fun it's fun. it's been phillies. Did i remember hearing this year. Jalen that you played in the snow for the first time is that accurate Going going into the green bay. Where my i now. I mean we're playing and you know they told me in there and you know we're having fun and playing bob dole. Whatever you know we got some momentum going on the sideline and then I see. I see like you know it's cold. And obviously it was coco. And i see snow coming from this guy. You know little flurries. But i call this a no not you know it was. It was not me at the moment was real cold. Some somebody never done before. And what was your reaction inexperienced playing in it like out. You know they have so much stuff down there to keep you on. The bench is being more Different things that they can do to accommodate for the weather. How cold it is so. I really couldn't tell. That's why i was so surprised. Then feel that cold. But when i saw the snow coming down it is cold. So the fundus upon store. How will you remember your first season with the eagles jalen. I think i remember that a remembered as a true learning experience. Like anything and everything goes it up Kind of going through and deal with i think Grateful for an opportunity of a binge after to the eagles in an awesome being in the position and then now but nonetheless a lot a lot to learn from for me you know. I'm very not very critical of myself and i hope my myself to the highest of high standards when it comes to Doing things the way you know. I wanna dog it. So not that i can learn from from that first year About a good a lot of bad. I'm assigned to improve and Learn from los angles and hopefully Especially thanking to so when you look back and try to learn from those things what do you hope to improve on your second season in the nfl. You know what they are going to realize and you hear it all the time and how important consistency is today consistent and everything that i do you know. And then there's there's always room for improvement in every in every asset every part of the game whether that's You know on the field stuff off the field stuff. You know how you league lead different people differently. You know everybody communique different and the leader of the football team as a quarterback so Just doing every being consistent in everything that i do Res progressives completed leading Communicate relationships all of those
The Prague School of Rehabilitation and Principles of Dynamic Neuromuscular Stabilization (DNS)
"I think for the purpose of this discussion. Let's assume a person has never heard of. Dns has never heard of the prague school or any of these things can you in a somewhat succinct. But not terribly brief manner. Explain to people how all of this school of rehabilitation coalesced around this idea of what we call. Dns going back to the founding fathers of the prague school and what these various insights were that each of them had and how that sort of came together dns dynamic neuro muscular stabilization. Kind of built on some pioneers of functional rehabilitation. There's many that have been part of the prague school rehabilitation. But i think talking about the influence on the development of dynamic muscular stabilization by professor powell whole lodge who runs the rehabilitation department at prague school. At this time. I think we need to go back. Post world war two cold war era. Nine thousand nine hundred fifties his wear prague school rehabilitation was was really founded and it was founded as part of the medical faculty of charles university in prague czech republic or formerly czechoslovakia now czech republic and being post world war two cold war era so they were in eastern europe behind the wall. That may have been a factor for. They're not reliance but tendency towards the use of of observation in both diagnostic diagnosis but observation and palpitation for diagnosis and treatment. All three of these pioneers neurologist. And who are the three. Lot of miranda kerr levitt and ballclub woida professor janda. He had a keen sense of observation and he formulated concepts and principles that tied into pasta habituation specifically the tendency for specific musculature tend towards tightness and other musculature to tend towards weakness. And he he termed this upper cross and lower cross syndrome. So for example with an upper-crust syndrome meaning the neck and shoulder region with demands of life and tendency towards paschel habituation such as with sustained seated postures There is a tendency towards the muscles in the back of the neck the exceptional muscles the external cloud asteroid muscle which is the muscle that also attached to the skull in down to their sterner curricular joint the pec muscles the upper traps that musculature with ten towards a tight meaner over activation other musculature in the upper extremity the radius which attaches to the ribs in the back of the scapula the deep neck flex irs the middle and lower traps would have a tendency to tend towards the weakness and with that tendency towards over utilization or hyper tenacity and underutilization in addition weakness. That would also he also recognized that that would affect the quality of movement throughout the kinetic chain and subsequently would lead to overload in specific areas throughout that kinetic chain so that was a big contribution on his
ASP's Favorite Things
"This is the advanced selling. Podcast list of tools gear people and things you need to be following things you need to have in the bag so analysts tools that we recommend people that we follow books that we read or listen to anything else. This is going to be a quick rapid. Here's they are not a lot of depth into them but you can go research them on your own but we get asked all the time. So what books do you read. What podcast you listen to what tools you use. Well we're going to tell you that in this episode. That's what we're going to do. So it's gonna be like a list big list and then you can go check them out and hopefully someone's gov a great tool. Thank you for telling me that. So these are in no order than no order. I've got him in order. Yes you want to put them in order now. That'll that'll take agree. So because i've got some. I've got some tools. Some software some gear some gear stuff than calling people. I follow so also kinda start. You bet software app that everybody needs to have on their chrome as an extension as crystal knows c. r. y. s. T. a. l. k. w. ws s. Crystal knows it's a preparation tool for any conversation. You have with someone. It essentially looks at their lincoln profile. Organizes there that information at finds into a disc profile which is a really easy to understand personality profile better than that though. It teaches you how to talk to them. That has a conversation coach. Based on what. I'm going to be talking to the person about and the modality that i'm gonna use to talk to them so basically says i need to email bill to make a good first impression and it gives you a little sound bytes based on bills linked in profile. And it's amazing. Everybody should use crystal nose. Crm s keynote abuse by the way none of these people were affiliated with right right. There's no need advertiser huge talked about talked about four and it's good good My first one is rev dot com read on com. Rav a dictation service Let's imagine you leave a meeting and you want to dictate A follow up email. You will describe your phone. Open up the revs. Aft- dictated now. You can do the same thing with siri but ravitch's really reliable Person on the. There's a human being you're actually dictates. Transcribes it if it's longer form it's probably better like if you wanted to Dictate an article or you think. There's a really good idea for an article you can dictate. Let them do it. And then come back and modify edited. But i think it's a great time saver it's about a buck and a quarter a minute so it's pretty reasonable. Chances are you're not going to have really long things you're going to be doing in there. But dot com is one of my favorite tools. Love it my next one. That i doubt a lot. Same deal no affiliation whatsoever. Huge fan of gong dot com. Many of you have heard of that. Were power users here at our firm and it is such a useful tool for coaching and for self evaluation of Sales conversation and you get data back from gung dot com. That talks about things you should and shouldn't do in the sales process. All based on data and artificial intelligence is fantastic. Gung dot com Recommend any sales leader listening to this to go check them out against affiliation with podcast so de fan big fan Might second one is A twenty dollar tripod. That i cannot all in on We're going to start doing some youtube shorts. I don't know if you're familiar with youtube shorts but They're all vertical. You see them on the shelf underneath your main youtube feed. So if you're on your mobile you'll start to see these. You're kind of wondering what they are. They're called shorts and they're less than a minute and but they have to be vertical. So you can do a short for youtube and also repurpose it on instagram. Or or one of the other verticals sites. But you need. You need a tripod. if you're going to do any kind of stuff like that. I think the days of holding it for certain things but if you're going to produce something that you want hundreds of thousands of people to see i think you need some kind of stable base for your found Tripods are easy amazing. How many how few people have them. Twenty dollar version is not a floor. Length just sits on your desk and it's really makes a real easy to record. I love twenty bucks on amazon twenty bucks amazon bills amazon link kidding okay. Here's i'm gonna go to people follow. I've got three people. One of them's kind of one of them comes as a package deal. I guys get him. David meltzer david meltzer. We've had David on the podcast Was a big time big time. Sports agent Unfortunately lost a an enormous amount of money and that incident actually changed his life the he would say for the better and he is one of the most giving talented Gracious humble smart intelligent coaches. You could follow if you don't follow david meltzer's shame on you. You'll find him anywhere online on instagram. He does free. Coaching sessions every friday every friday. He's doing something and just a really really great Human being everyone who listens to this show should follow david meltzer. Also i've never been on one of his Friday morning calls if you have i have. Yeah they're just they're just outstanding just outstanding he's so giving and he doesn't for free and they're usually maxed out because people love what he says to do. He just great fan. That's good. I've got one to follow here. His name is peter crone. Cro n e. You know peter. I don't yeah. I didn't either until i saw him on Saw him interviewed by aubrey. Marcus who owns on it. He founded the company called on its online and nutrition company but aubrey has a podcast. And it's one of those things you like. I don't ever heard of peter cronin. I'm not gonna listen to that. I'm gonna go with some. i thought. Well what the hell. Maybe i'll learn something and this guy is really good. He's a performance coach. Lives in england. just look up anything he does because he talks about the mindset and the mentalities at a whole different level than you and i are talking about him but i think you'll like him. Peter crown zero. Lots of lots podcast. That's the best thing about doing this drills get to learn all this stuff to see. Yeah i'm making a lot of notes. Bill my hand on my whiteboard over k next to follow for me as a married couple Very very successful married couple in great just human beings. My opinion jesse. It's ler and sara blakely sara blakely founded spanks. Oh yeah one of the most successful self made women in the world and jesse it's ler is also self made is in a He has a a thing called life. Resumes all about experiences. He's an ultra marathoner and those two together are comedic dual like no other. And they're they've got four little kids if you don't follow them on instagram. You need to follow both of them. They're just hilarious. They put out great content. Very inspiring people talk about them being like a billionaire couple. That seems just absolutely normal and down to earth. Because i think they are jesse it's slur. It and sara blakely follow them. Didn't jesse it's ler do some kind of a like a training challenge or something. He did went on. He does a cold plunge challenge. He's gone back. Hof is a guy on wim hof place for a cold you know. He's got to go plug lunch exactly but he does it. Lots of things around performance great. Yeah he just did a fifteen minute fifteen incline fifteen minute challenge put your treadmill at fifteen incline and run for fifteen minutes and see how far you can get. Wow at like last week while it's crazy. Yeah so yeah. I've heard of him. I don't follow him. that's good. that's good let's see Here's a book. That i sound really good especially for sales professionals who are looking to build their brand their personal brand. And the guy's name is chris. Ducker the rise of the new twra. Noor line entrepreneur new partner. It's been out for a couple of years. Might have heard of it. But chris i follow. Chris have been do a little bit of coaching with him. And he's really. His book is really good when it comes to building your personal brand Not like you're not like being a enter an instagram influence or in your in your brand in your business that you're in how do you portray yourself. How do you talk about yourself. It's really good. It's really good and it. It'll stretch you thomas. The book will stretch you. It's called the rise of the poor. Chris tucker. I would recommend that book. The book i'm going to recommend is a great life book but it will transfer into your sales life and one of my favorite books. I listen to this book. Called the book of joy and it's an interview with the dalai lama am bishop desmond. Tutu diamond desmond tutu. And they are both very very joyful people and have had lots of pain in their lives and they're interviewed by a reporter. Who just as a brilliant job. Just pulling out their life stories together intertwining it. And they talk about the difference between happiness and joy and fulfillment and It's a really really good heart opening a book. I found that will absolutely have you show up differently in sales life. The book of joy with desmond tutu the dalai
Texas school boards don’t have to require masks, education officials announce
"Education Agency says the mask mandated public schools will remain in place, but it will be up to individual school boards to decide if They want to remove it Play Robinson with the Texas State Teachers Association, predicts that their members will stay mast up. No matter what happens. I think the teachers who care about their health and safety, and the health and safety of their students are going to keep the mask on. But it should be a requirement for the students. Governor Abbott lifted the state's mask mandate as part of a plan to remove all covert rules. State health leaders have put teachers and daycare workers on the list of people eligible for the cold that vaccines
Moxie on Mars: The Mars Oxygen In-Situ Resource Utilization Experiment
"For the very first time is going to try to use something outside of earth as a resource. I briefly mentioned this instrument last week. Know when i was talking about the perseverance. Mars rover and it contains the the rover contains a new instrument that potentially could be one of the most profound events of the mission. And it's called. Moxie as steve keeps like he just loves the word right. Don't you steve. Sure it'd be a really cute and for girlfriend you know. It's a really cool word. So if successful this mission will prove to be the beginning of being able to send astronauts home from mars and also impart. Keep them alive now. I'm being vague deliberately. Because i'm filling your brain with secondary information. And then you'll see what i do so at the size of a car battery. This gold colored prototype requires how much energy guys three one. third of. The rovers energy one third of perseverance. Gigawatts is coming is going to this part now. Like i said this is not part of the rovers primary mission and when it performs its function. It's gonna run at eight hundred degrees celsius or one thousand. Four hundred seventy two degrees fahrenheit guys this touch it so incredibly hot that the engineers had to use the best insulating material known to man to protect perseverance from it. Boxy stands for mars. Oxygen institute resource utilization experiment. So it function. Its function is actually similar to that of a tree in that it will intake carbon dioxide which there's plenty of because the mars atmosphere is literally co two. That is the atmosphere of mars so after its processes done. It'll output pure oxygen into the martian atmosphere and this is not for terror forming purposes call. Oh my god bob. How would that be if we started. Tear forming mars in the next thirty years like just try to change the atmosphere of mars. Send up a billion moxie happen jay. Carbon go out. I'm going to tell you everything. Steve but in my own way in my way okay. So on future missions the oxygen would be used for what for fuel and breathing fuel breathing. Oxygen is perfect for so clearly future astronauts will be depending on the future versions of moxie. So like i said. The martian atmosphere is one hundred times less dense than earth You know that doesn't mean that there isn't a huge abundance of co two because that's what it is all the all the air that's there is is co two and nasa plans on turning moxie on about twelve times during the next two earth years and that should do it that should be enough for engineers to be able to suss it all out. So what they're predicting is that. It will produce between six and ten grams of oxygen per hour and that is enough oxygen to keep a small mammal like a skunk or fox or twenty two lowland streaked kendricks look really cute. But this look them up. They're cute as hell. Twenty two just going by body weight if we're testing it now to see if it successfully functions on mars why couldn't they just test it on earth. Well the fact is we did but you have to keep in mind. That mars is dusty. It's very cold minus sixty two celsius minus eighty one fahrenheit. There's there's no predicting the ways that this thing can fail like any other device. So that's why we we want to bring it to mars and test it
Boston's Bridgewater State University Using Robots To Deliver Food To Students
"For college students pizza delivering robots, Rachel Holt reports from Bridgewater, Massachusetts, a new addition to the campus at Bridgewater State University. A robot delivering meals to students, everything from pizza to coffee. I love him like I'm like flip flops and everything. I'm lazy and it's very easy. Just order food whatever you want. When you get those cold, windy days, students don't really want to go outside. Do they enjoy the opportunity of being able to have a robot delivered for them? Bs? You is the first school in the Northeast to use the robots, and it comes at a good time. That's something different. It's something totally new. And you know, in the time period of the pandemic, you know, it really worked out really well makes the students feel even safer. And it's all done in the A starship happy You pick your campus, your vendor and the robot delivers. Senate's
FDA Issues Emergency Use Authorization for Third COVID-19 Vaccine
"The fda gave emergency use authorization to the johnson and johnson co vaccine. Cdc has already recommended it. So distribution is scheduled to start almost immediately as i briefly went over in the past the main differences between the johnson. Vaccine and say the visor in moderna. Vaccines are johnson. And johnson is one dose. It's easier to store. It doesn't need those super cold. Temperatures so far it's been eighty five percent effective at preventing severe disease and at least in the trial was one hundred percent effective at preventing deaths from covid nineteen. Which are really the most important. Stance provides faster protection. Takes about two weeks to be prevented from getting a moderate to severe case of code and after four weeks there have been no hospitalizations reported or deaths. Obviously lastly there is a lower risk compared to pfizer in moderna of those allergic reactions. The nfl axis cases are already rare with those but in this one in the study there was one case of nfl. Alexis in forty four thousand people as for what causes these differences. This one is made with viral vector technology. According to the cnn article quotes a common cold virus called dina virus. Twenty six is genetically engineered so that it can infect cells but it won't replicate there cannot spread in the body and won't give people a cold like the pfizer and moderna vaccine. It delivers genetic instructions instead of being carried in little lipid balls. The genetic instructions are injected by the weakened virus into arm cells. Name make the pieces that would like part of the coronavirus spike protein which is the knob shaped structure that the virus uses to connect to sells it uses dina virus to get into our bodies and get our bodies used to. It was also this article in cbs. About the astra zeneca vaccine but honestly it just seems like a pr. Move like doesn't seem that impressive. The designer of the astrazeneca vaccine is saying that the plug and play sorta thing. We can easily updated in very quickly. Then when he read they still won't have that update until the fall. It's basically like the same cycle for a regular flu shot. Because it's like the same technology so personally. I don't know if i'd be out there bragging about how quick we can switch this out and updated if it's still until fall now. I don't know how long it would take to switch out the pfizer in moderna vaccines. I thought i read earlier. That the amarna is much easier. Because it's like straight up injecting the virus it doesn't have to wait to sort of replicated or grow it somehow again obviously. I don't know the specifics on that. But i do believe that would be faster than this one
Study finds mask mandates, dining out influence virus spread
"A new national study ed strong evidence that mask mandates can slow the spread of the corona virus and that restaurant dining can increase cases and deaths the research from the centers for disease control comes as some communities are lifting virus restrictions it finds that counties that were under state mandates for mask wearing head between a half percentage point to a nearly two percent drop in cold feet cases and deaths experts say although that sounds small it reduced an exponential spread and then counties that allowed restaurants to open at first so no change for forty days but now the rate of new cases as increased one percent and the rate of deaths went up between two to three percent CDC officials stopped short of saying in person dining should stop but they do say have adequate ventilation and insist on mask wearing for staff and incoming customers I am Jackie Quinn
New vaccination site opens at Angel of the Winds Arena in Seattle area
"On covert vaccines. The angel of the winds Arena in Everett is now open as a mass vaccination site, Department of Emergency Management director Jason Bierman says you will need to make an appointment will be using the Johnson and Johnson vaccine Esso. We're excited that this will be certainly the firms in the county and we believe perhaps the first in the state that will actually be rolling out Use of the Johnson and Johnson vaccine. The first batch of the vaccine arrived in Washington State. Just this week I broke radio stone cold Jenny. X has more. Unlike Fizer and Madonna, the Johnson and Johnson vaccines don't need to be frozen. That makes them ideal for places that have had trouble keeping dose is very cold. We're sending most of R J and Jay doses to county where their allocations were a bit lower in the past. Lacy Fair and got the deputy secretary for the state's Coben 19 response says. We got about 61,000 Johnson and Johnson doses from the feds this week, but that's all we'll get for the next three weeks. After that shipment should start up again
Mom shares heartbreaking video of bullied son
"Police asking for justice after video of her 13 year old son surfaced summer, Smith says in the video. Her son Samarian was bullied, tortured and forced to drink his teammates. Urine while they were yelling racial slurs at him. Kim cold, an attorney for the family says the boy should be expelled and their parents held accountable. You know, I I ste Is aware And has been aware and to this point Have done absolutely nothing not only to protect the Mariana but to protect the Children of others, she says. This needs to be investigated as a federal hate crime. A report in the Wall Street
Accidentally Trashed, Thawed or Expired: Reports of Covid Vaccine Spoilage
"Of covert vaccinations picks up, So do the reports of doses going to waste and it's more than just a handful here and there. We're talking 300 doses in Lee County, North Carolina. 1000 doses in Palm Beach and in Tennessee. Nearly 5000 doses have gone to waste. In the last month, Blake farmer of member station to be PLN in Nashville looked into it. Most clinics or experience to giving vaccines but not ones that are so precious and so sensitive to temperature that definitely have been losing since Sleepover. This pressure, Beth Ann Wilmore manages the covert vaccine inventory at a community health center in Franklin, Tennessee. Nonprofit clinics in the state started receiving shipments a month ago. I was definitely waking up in the mill a knife. Wondering how the temperatures were doing and they get okay. I hope it's good. She knows the horror stories one from a county over happened Just a week ago, The local school district received 1000 doses for a teacher vaccination event, but they were put in an unapproved freezer. The temperature sensor on this shipment gave an error code and out of caution. They were advised to throw them all away. It hurts my heart. Dr. Lisa Pearcey is the health commissioner in Tennessee, which has seen one of the country's biggest spikes in reported spoilage. But it's one of the risks in having so many places to get the vaccine as a way to increase access. There are now more than 700 sites across the state. It definitely raises the level of Concern when you have more partners, particularly partners that aren't under your direct control. In Knoxville, 1000 doses were thrown out, apparently confused for a shipment of dry ice in Memphis. The county was slow to disclose that nearly 2500 doses were allowed to expire on several occasions. Local health director resigned, the state has stepped up audits and cold in staff from the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention to monitor. There's so many opportunities for doses to go Bad in Florida workers turned the power off to a fridge in Connecticut. A fridge door just didn't close and Dr Kelly more of the immunization action coalition says a little spoilage is expected. Would be more worried if I saw reports of zero doses. Wasted transparency is the real concern. You want to see some waste because that means people are paying attention and that real world accidents happen and that they're being responded to properly. You could just don't want to see negligence. Reports of spoiled doses still come too far less than 1% of the total, even in states with big losses. There is hope that mishaps will be easier to avoid. With the newly authorized Johnson and Johnson vaccine. It can last in a normal refrigerator for months
How Psychedelic Drugs Are Making A Comeback To Treat Depression
"Depression. It can be a difficult mental illness to pin down. It can feel different for everyone and even those who struggle with it can have trouble identifying bought. It is a mostly came to understood that. I had depression through talking with my friends for the longest time. I kind of system that everyone felt this way. Like weird just like general malays for this twenty nine year old. Depression surfaced about six years ago and began as a feeling of being disconnected with the world. I didn't want to eat because they didn't feel like i deserve to eat. I don't know. I didn't hang out with friends because i didn't feel like i deserve to see my friends. I didn't feel like i should be punishing them by talking to them seeing them. This person uses they them pronouns. They're a maryland resident and work as a software tester. They sought help for their depression. Trying numerous types of treatments may visited a bunch of different mental health professionals and tried different types of arby's In different types of medication but it always kinda felt like things were getting worse and worse and a current really find someone who has really helped me understand what was going on like. I still didn't even believe that. I had depression. All the while the depression advanced it felt like being alive and lake wanting to die rolling constantly fighting over like the resources in my mind then. Their health insurance lapsed in two thousand eighteen making the situation worse a surprise solution appeared while they were scrolling on social media and a posting from johns hopkins university researchers and then one day i was kind of like clicking through facebook and i actually found this ad four like this little simon. Study silla simon. That's the psychedelic drug found in magic mushrooms. And i thought it was fake remarks. I didn't expect there to be you know like a a legitimate study showing up on like facebook ad but they had no insurance basically they were out of options so they called wanted to have hope again from the wall street journal. This is the future of everything. I'm janet babbling today on the podcast. How the hallucinogenic compounds silla zyban once associated with nine hundred sixty s drug culture is making a comeback and giving people suffering from depression and other mental illnesses. Hope for this twenty nine year old study participant. Depression was not something that happened in their family. My family's from the caribbean and lived in america probably for about lake in years. We came here in ninety nine. It's kind of interesting because where from like a place that doesn't really view mental health. The that like america's mental health. It took me a while to realize that. I was having mental health problems that i was kind of experiencing depression. Depression affects a staggering number of people hundreds of millions worldwide according to a study published in the peer reviewed journal the lancet in two thousand eighteen. The pandemic didn't make things any easier. Last june about a third of people who responded to web based surveys said they suffered from symptoms of depression or anxiety disorder. Those results were published by the centers for disease control and prevention the protocol for treating these conditions hasn't changed much in the past few years. What we've been using is typically one of two things either a medication that people take every day or we have psychotherapy dr. Alan davis is clinical psychologist and an assistant professor at the ohio state university. He's also an adjunct assistant. Professor at johns hopkins university. A lot of people will improve with either medication or therapy or both to basically have both have a better chance but it doesn't work for everyone. Some studies report between ten and thirty. Five percent of patients suffer from treatment resistant. Depression and davis is that similar to what he's found in his own practice working with veterans suffering from substance abuse trauma and other mental health issues. So he began looking for alternative treatments present and welcome to psychedelic science. Two thousand and thirteen in twenty thirteen davis attended a science conference and came across a study exploring the use of silla. Sivan a chemical compound found in specific varieties of mushrooms to treat cancer patients with mental health conditions. The compounds documented facts include feelings of heightened awareness ecstasy visions and changes in the perception of reality for researchers say one of the most useful qualities is its ability to dissolve the ego to allow a user to observe oneself from the outside in the study of cancer patients. The drug was able to alleviate some of the anxiety and depression that can be associated with having a life threatening illness. I was just inspired by that word. I thought gosh this really could have a strong impact in the areas that i'm working with veterans and with others davis became part of a team of researchers at johns hopkins university that put together a randomized clinical trial. Twenty four participants. They were administered. Silla sivan with talk therapy to treat their depression. Enrollment for the trial took place in two thousand seventeen and twenty nineteen and the results were analyzed in two thousand twenty. Most of them had had chronic depression meaning decades of experiencing depression though not some had had it for shorter amount of time but this study was a weightless control trials so some people came in and started treatment right away. Others had to wait eight weeks before starting treatment so we had a comparison group. The study subjects received an extensive intake examined questionnaire to confirm. They were suffering from symptoms of depression. Participants were screened for schizophrenia. And drug use as these conditions can interfere with suicide and treatment. The big worry many people have about psychedelics is what's often referred to as a bad trip. Mary negative hallucinations. That can be scary and this is kind of trip that can go bad. Martissant received hefty doses of these drugs. The doses are based on weight and they vary slightly but patients receive around twenty milligrams in the first session a bit more in the second session to minimize the risk of a negative experience. Davis says researchers focused on controlling. What's called and setting. They work ahead of time to ensure the volunteers current mood and surroundings while taking the drugs. Remain as calm and comfortable as possible and so we spend about eight to ten hours with people before they ever get the drug talking about what the effects are talking about. What may or may not happen when they have this experience and that's why we have to train professionals there with them not only to prepare them for that but to help them through the experience when it happens because a lot of people have anxiety coming into the session. The person we spoke to the twenty nine year old participated in davis study group in august of two thousand eighteen. They had no prior experience with psychedelic drugs and didn't know watch expect basically went in kind of blindly. I don't have any other options. So that's kind of my thought process at the time was just basically kind of sticking anything to the wall and hoping it would work after fasting the previous night the treatment can cause nausea. They were placed in a small tranquil room fitted with a comfy couch. The whole room was a really really cool in very comforting because like they had like these statues like imagery in their end like. I think one of the muslim dowa tibetan model. I wanna say this and like there was like this nice lamp. It's off this really. Soft light psychedelic assisted. Therapy participants are encouraged to bring in objects from home to make them feel more comfortable. Some bring in ten bears pictures of family. The twenty nine year old brought a lightness of an ancient sumerian goddess. Soon nana once they were settled in the room. They were given two pills in a wooden cop the therapists top that the sivan would take fifteen to thirty minutes to start working. In the interim they were told to put on ice shades and headphones. That would play a selection of music they choose from classical tibetan chanting african drumming and modern music too. Once the drug fact the participants says the first session became a kaleidoscope of mental images and sensations. I remember being in lake. Felt like mount olympus the fall of the gods like oval the clouds and suffering them. And then one of my god's up to me and she gave me a key fell through the clouds. And i felt all the way down through the earth and i ended up in hell which is really strange because they don't remember being scared even though i was in hell and i remember asking like hey you know why am i hair And it was like haiti's leading me through hell kind of just like showing me around for life this very cold and desolate last. He was like of course. This is where you would come like. This is where you've made your home. The self revelations continued throughout this long session and turned intensely personal. I remember like hearing like the beats. Come on and i felt myself in like this place like all of my ancestors were and i was really close to my grandfather when i was a kid. And he died. Probably around when i was like four and i saw him kind of materialize And he walked towards the youth like these. She'll bananas which is what he's doing her then he handed one to me and i always kind of was afraid that if he was alive he would be disappointed in me and i remember asking him you know. When am i supposed to do like if my family like my parents and lake my siblings can accept me and he said that he'll always be there for me and my ancestors will always be there for me and i like that scene just like it. Metsu in mental to me after about seven hours than drugs started to wear off when it was over. You know you're still kind of like feeling it but just not as intensely so just basically like this really happy kind of floaty failing and we couldn't drive so like i had to have a sister pick me up. They ended the experience hungry and exhausted as for the depression not much appeared to have changed then. They tried the silla sivan trip once more this time with the stronger dose and after that these say they experienced to palpable shift. It felt like i was back into the world again like i was in reality. A lot of people said that not only was there. Depression differently felt like they had come out of dark hole that they've been in for years but a lot of people regardless of whether they're depression was gone or or reduced said that there was something really meaningful different about how they view their life initial results for the study reviewing outcomes from up to a month after the sessions were completed found that silla sivan plus therapy was more than four times more effective than other treatments. Such as medication alone at one week. Fifty eight percent of the sample were in complete remission from depression that actually lasted up to four weeks. After fifty four percent of people were in complete remission and were now studying those same people up to twelve months after to see how long that remission lasted the rest of the participants in the study. Were not in remission they were still experiencing clinically significant depressive symptoms researchers have yet to publish the results of longer term outcomes for all the participants their condition up to a year after treatment and this was a small study. Just twenty four people. Some scientists remain skeptical of this kind of treatment not just of silla simon. But of the validity of the data an outcomes for all studies involving psychoactive substances
Long-term Unemployment Remains High Despite American Jobs Returning
"Reopen and vaccinations speed up. But there are millions of people who lost their jobs at the beginning of the pandemic and who are still unemployed. NPR's Sam Greenglass reports asked Bud Johnson what he liked about his job driving a transit bus at the University of Delaware, and he uses a single word. Everything. The sights are great. The people I work for the great and it's just a pleasant atmosphere. But he hasn't had that in almost a year. Now. You got laid off from classes, but virtual, I eat two meals a day instead of three. I do go to the pre pantry truth from them. Johnson hasn't been called back yet or been told when, or If that will happen. I am looking forward to coming back. It was a great job in January 4 million people had been unemployed for six months or more. It's what economists call long term unemployment. And we haven't seen levels this high since the great recession that worries economists. Bill Sprigs, he says. Many employers stigmatize people who haven't worked in months. The longer someone's without a job, the harder it is to find a new one. So rather than the typical way you think of a line working you show up at the movie theater. I'm first in line. I've been here I'm next. It works in the opposite. The people who are newly unemployed get the first in line and what's worse, this will likely hit vulnerable workers even harder. Women and people of color have lost the most jobs during the pandemic. They already tend to be paid class and so long term unemployment can scar their earnings permanently. Ah McKenzie study predicted It could also take two years longer for them to recover those jobs. Here's co author Quay Lin Island group, the progress we see on closing the gender gap, even take of it out of the picture. Is so slow. And so then you pause that slow glacial progress and you make negative progress. It was deeply discouraging. There's another worry too. What if certain jobs don't ever come back? How people work and live has been changing dramatically during the pandemic, and that shaken up all kinds of jobs. One of the biggest shifts has been more people working from home. That's had ripple effects for Gloria Espinosa into last April. She cleaned offices in San Francisco. Superbly store. We got a visit from our supervisor, He gathered us all on the parking lot, and he talked to us and tell us that we were gonna be laid off. I was wondering God, why us? It was like receiving a bucket of cold water. That's the way I felt a year later, the employees whose work spaces she wants clean, are still remote. And so Espinosa is still unemployed. She knows there's no guarantee, but she feels confident she will be called back to her old job when offices reopened, be instructed bombs, a necessity to move Chapman on the whole. I think that actually is going to be probably the need of additional workers because we're gonna have to make sure that we can provide that. Extra clean a space that the workers deserve. On the other end of California, Carrie Belisle wonders what her work will look like in the future. She's been a tour guide for 35 years. We are in love, Toya. Has my Minnesota group like he's traveled. Grinding to a halt last spring, Belisle has tried to keep busy, even organizing virtual tours Join me Tuesday at two for my virtual presentation about counselor Deck finally began a new full time job. What's good here at a vaccine? Put it in San Diego. It's just nice to To chat with people and especially people that are getting vaccinated because they're all so happy and excited. While knows this new job won't be permanent, she's hopeful tour Busses will start rolling again. And she can go back to work in the field She's loved for so many years. Sam bring Glass NPR news.
Meghan Markle Claims The Firm Is Perpetuating Falsehoods
"The gloves are off. The royal battle is on meghan. Markle is slamming the royal family. And it all comes just as buckingham palace announced its investigation and it's investigating claims that make him bullied her staff. This is getting ugly. Listen to a meghan. Just confessed to oprah about the royal family. How do you feel about the palace hearing you speak your truth today. I don't know how they could expect that. After all of this time we would still be silent if there's an active role that the firm is playing in perpetuating falsehoods about us. And if that comes with risk of losing things there's a lot that's been lost already. Guerrilla loaded the firm cold yes for. There's a lot of ceo's in there that they're running sobbed in the raw running the commonwealth to on the bar business speak what she is doing is she's trying to separate. This is not the family doing this. This business entity is trying to perpetuate a certain thing because for any other viewer like for me like every family has a drama. I mean my my sister. And i have been in a beef once or twice but this is much bigger. And that's what she is trying to portray and she has also trying to grounded that they are behind all of the malicious tat attacks. That happened against her and his mama. Don't even say it. No one else does we. Were just talking about this. I mean if you guys watched every day then you know but we were just talking about this. How we thought she'd be going against royal live papa razzi she's not gonna take aim at the actual family now. We know for a fact. That's not true. She is going to go head to head against her in laws. And i know that there's bigger it's a business. It's a government. it's not your normal thing but ultimately this is his gam gap. That's coming out on the dual smear campaign on her and just trying to say that. Oh she was rude to the staff now. If she was rude to the staff we would have heard longtime ago when this interview is coming out and remember. This interview is coming out ethics day or the day before their big commonwealth celebration right. Which is like our thanksgiving you know. They're celebrating the commonwealth and those queens going to give a speech so they're trying to stop all of that you're right it's the on the same day as commonwealth and i just wanna throw it out there. Megan has denied all of these bullying claims. That's she says are adamantly not true.
Climate change is our reality. Here's how we're taking action
"Hello everyone. I'm al gore founder and chairman of the climate reality project. This extraordinary moment of great challenge and great loss is obviously also a moment of great awakening and a great opportunity. The global pandemic structural and institutional racism with it's horrific violence the worsening impacts of the climate crisis all of these have accelerated the emergence of a new and widespread collective understanding of our connection to the natural world the consequences of ignoring science and our sacred obligation to build a just society for all the climate reality project. Trains thousands of climate leaders around the world and all one hundred ninety. Five nations advocate for a future humanity deserves. You're about to hear from four very different people who've gone through this week long training and hear how they've been inspired to act. I want to let them speak for themselves. Beginning with he minna. Loria jimena is working in central america to influence public policy and develop young later. She has given presentations on climate of thousands of people and has now created her own gio on her. Costa rica in out two thousand sixteen. Cheney vicks training nine change. I found ngo cold Bells my job has been focused on for me. Orthodox they both sation climate change supporting i see anti-taliban young eaters. Environmental hours somehow having more why and fifty presentations on climate crisis visuals raging personally more than three thousand one hundred people in. I am also proud of being part of eco savvy. Casulaties defy mistake nasseri. Nanna furman born in. Indonesia is a climate advocate extraordinaire and calls herself. A daughter of the rainforest is the muslim coordinator for green faith and co founder of the global muslim climate network. My name is nona man and i am a climate reality leaders in my life journey. I realized that behavior and consumption habits have contributed in environmental degradation and have resulted in global warming. However i believe that people grow spiritually through a strong relationship with the earth being born in the rainforest region of sumatra. I believe in our of our forests as the nejra solution to our climate crisis by giving indigenous peoples and traditional communities more rights to protect and manage the forest where they left now more than ever. It is time for us to look climate justice at the and center of our struggle. It's in the kaduna region of northern nigeria. They call gloria song. Boulos the queen of the climate crisis. Gloria has also founded a cocoon abased. Ngo that is focused on education empowerment and climate as the chemicals plans into training apply for eighty two thousand seventeen house me to be into bill capacity afterwards and they spend on my various action really very of some of my one of chief manages to children of his junior to get up to talk about climate change disclosures of climate change. Some walks have gone around eating me. See the planet. I mean planets scenes.
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"This is a bonus episode of cold marshall misdirection. I'm dave collie.
The Universe's Background Noise: The Cosmic Microwave Background
"What is the background. It's that source signal that is in the back of all of our images and i literally mean it's like the back most layer. If you've ever used photoshop illustrator any of these art programs that have different layers. There's that layer. That's behind everything that you can set to transparent except for our universe doesn't understand that so no matter what color you're using to observe our sky in the spaces between bright objects there is light and sometimes even particles and gravitational waves that are emanating from some background that we're still in many cases trying to figure out what is and and i think people are are are most familiar with the cosmic microwave background. Only i think because it helped us figure out the entire origin of the universe. The big bang the cer- mind-bending conclusion that our universe is expanding. But but it's just one of them. There's tons it is. And i have to say also the fact that the causing microwave background was initially blamed on pigeon poop in the detector also really adds to story arc by you. Should you should explain that. If you're going to bring pigeon poop and not go into more detail. I think you have to. So so i- pens easson wilson to research scientists working at bell labs. We're working to figure out how to improve microwave. Communications here on the surface of the earth. They built a big old attack ter- and they were looking for 'cause mc sources that could interfere with point to point signals used in telecommunications and they found things they expected like jupiter jupiter is loud but between all the things they expected defined find there. Is this constant signal and normally when you have this kind of a constant signal in a detector that works like a radio detector. you think it's just like norway's in the system and so they're trying to get rid of the noise every way possible and they noticed that pigeons were roosting in their system so they gave it a thorough cleaning to remove anything. The pigeons may have left within the detector and it didn't work and in the end after contacting research group at princeton and talking to folks like people's they realize that what they were seeing matched theoretical predictions of a cold long wavelength background of light. That was the stretched out remains of photons released in the moment when the universe cool enough for electrons and atomic nuclei to bond together making our universe transparent for the first time this had been theorized that that if you win restarting to detect that they were seeing galaxies. Moving away in all directions. That was one line of evidence that would mean that those things those galaxies were all close together the past therefore you should see a time when everything was all in roughly the same region and it would be opaque and it would be hot and then you should see his moment when it all got released into the universe and and that's what they saw and just to be clear. It's it's not that there was any center to the universe any region where things were more compact. It's the entire universe. The surface of afford dimensional hyper tour. Royd was a smaller surface in a three dimensional on top of a four dimensional. Kind of
Can You Be Addicted to Love?
"Nicotine. Chocolate alcohol opioids work gambling. Sex food you might as well face it. Life is basically a gauntlet of substances and behaviors. That humans can become obsessed with and dependent on. But what about love not just sex but the deep interpersonal attachment we call love can be addictive. The notion of obsessive all consuming and even addictive love goes back literally thousands of years the ancient greek poet. Sappho wrote about watching her lover mary. Someone else and she describes being seized trembling drenched in cold sweat and feeling nearly dead she might as well be describing opium withdrawals or singing aversive addicted to love romantic. Love does have a lot of external features in common with drug addiction initial feelings of bliss and euphoria and obsessive fixated behavior often leading to poor potentially life ruining decisions. Two thousand ten paper from the new york academy of sciences points out that common criteria for diagnosing dependence include life interference tolerance withdrawal and repeated attempts to quit. Sound anything. like your relationship with your ex if so you're certainly not alone. But is there any more measurable basis for thinking. Love can be considered an addiction in the brain. Actually yes. let's talk brain imaging one way. That addiction hijacks the human brain is by taking advantage of a million reward and motivation systems. Like the mess olympic dopamine system which includes the ventral tag mental area and the nucleus accumbens. This is part of the nervous system that gives us internal rewards when we do something with an evolutionary benefits like eating or having sex essentially how the brain tells itself. Hey what you just did do that again. And again and again whether it's eating nutritious meal or unfortunately snorting cocaine back in two thousand five. A study in the journal of neurophysiologist used fm. Are i look at the brains of test subjects. Who self reported that they were intensely in love with someone else. When these lovebirds were showing pictures of the people. They adored there was activation in sections at that. Same mammalian reward and motivation system for example the right ventral mental area. But that's not all a follow up study in two thousand ten looked at what happened to the brains of men and women who had been rejected but reported that they were still deeply in love. It wasn't pretty when heartbroken. Lovers were forced to look at pictures of their exes. There was elevated activity in our old friends. The ventral take mental area and the nucleus accumbens researchers pointed out that the rejected lovers showed several neural correlates in common with the brain activity of cocaine addicts craving their drug so at the level of brain chemistry. Romantic love can be kind of like substance addiction but there are reasons why you might not want to refer to your latest crush as a full on addiction just yet. For example the diagnostic and statistical manual of mental disorders does not officially recognize love addiction and while cravings for love can be devastating when their unrequited or self destructive they can also be deeply fulfilling in a way that no drug habit ever could be.
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"I want to personally think Mary Debbie Catherine Jennifer for sharing their stories and I think they deserve a round of applause. Awesome I never expected when I set out to tell the story in a podcast that people would come to me to share their own stories. And Tell me how Susan's example had influenced them to leave an abusive situation. And I still don't really know the best way to respond when people reach out to me for advice Because I'm the first to tell you. I am not an expert when it comes to escaping domestic violence so I need to bring Jen Foxborough from Utah. Domestic violence coalition onto the stage to help provide vied that perspective Jennifer. Thanks for Coming Jennifer Pleasure Louisville when you told me statistic mystic early on in our conversations about this case and simply put that one in three. What is that all about? Great so about four where years ago when I took over this role we knew that we had a really big job and not enough money to do it. We wanted to expand services so we only have thirteen program serving twenty nine counties in Utah. That's abysmally low. Most other states have forty or fifty programs. We only have thirteen so I was trying to figure out where fire to focus our efforts and we started looking at the Centers for Disease Control. WHO HELPED US UNDERSTAND IT IN UTAH? One in three adult women will will experience domestic violence and abuse stocking and or sexual violence in her adult lifetime perpetrated by a current or former intimate partner so that's not verbal abuse emotional abuse. This is the worst worst worst of the worst and we're higher than the national average so about one in four nationally will experience experience that in Utah. It's one in three and one thing that's exceptionally high. Here's our intimate partner homicide rate. So just like the things we've been talking about with the cold podcast tonight. DOMESTIC VIOLENCE HOMICIDE IN UTAH. Some years. It's almost half of our homicides and and we know that we can do more so we're working working with a team of partners to try to to try to address that so one in three I think about how many women are in the audience right now. How many people all are hearing this and could use that help? That's stunning. Yeah and it's a difficult conversation to have. It's very embarrassing to people. Sometimes people usually just want the abuse to stop. So it's very abnormal rate to trust. Someone loves someone and invite them into your life and share your secrets in your dreams and your children sometimes with them and then to have that person hurt you. Oh that's an abnormal situation and people often go very very quiet and private about it and it can be difficult to reach out so if someone reaches out you need to know I went to deal. Yeah I think we see that with Susan story in the sense that her friends seem to be aware that she was considering divorce. Say Okay order that she would explain. Hey you know. I don't have the money to go out for lunch. Because Josh makes me he can chilly but she never really gave of anybody. The full story and my my read on that is that sense of embarrassment probably played a role. Swear and it's really easy to miss some some of the signs of abuse. We use the term domestic violence a lot. David I think fat can really miss the mark. Sometimes I work as a therapist also and often and I'll ask people if they're safe at home and they'll tell me sure and you know no one's hitting me or kicking me or slapping me or punching me but then I ask you have the ability to go out and meet your sister for lunch. No my husband's really controlling and we used we used terminology like husband wife overwhelmingly L. mainly domestic violence and abuses perpetrated by a husband or a man against a woman but it can happen to anyone in our program. Serve everyone this question Russian. I think that's at the heart of what we saw with Susan's case and it's what if a woman thinks. She can't be an abusive situation because of our kids. What should she do? We get this question all the time it really depends so Utah implemented something called the lethality assessment protocol three years ago any of our advocates on our hotline advocates across the state and over sixty law enforcement agencies. He's in Utah now. US Eleven evidence-based questions to help people understand what level of risk there so these are questions that are most predictive of intimate partner homicide risk. And how many of those boxes did Susan check. Susan has met almost olive the most risky criteria correa not all of them but almost all so if someone has children that can be an additional risk factor because it can be another point of contention in an abusive violent relationship relationship but it really depends on what that person is is ready and willing to do. We get asked all the time. Why did she stay? Why did she put up with that? I know that's that's come up in this case a lot too and a lot of times it's because people are trying to survive and they really know their situation better than anyone so it just depends but all of our programs have children's advocacy see support as well. We can help people with counseling and safety planning around kids and navigating complicated custody situations as well which can be a really dangerous situation for people. I'm glad you brought up the Whitish. She stayed question and not just in this specific case. But I think it's one that we see in our culture a lot and what I've taken away from studying Susan's situation is complicated. And maybe that seems like a cop out but maybe my question here for you then is is possible for someone who was in an abusive situation to love and care for the person who is putting them through that abuse. Yeah we're all capable of emotional multitasking. Right how many of you have had children. It's hard right. Yeah I know how much trouble I rose the current but in all seriousness. You know that happens a lot where people most of the survivors that we talk with. They just want the abuse to to stop. They do love this person. And it's a really abnormal type of crime rate. Where someone that you love and trust someone you've started a family with perhaps is someone that you have joined your life to someone that knows you in many ways better than anyone else is also hurting you so it can be very confusing using for people and there can be a lot of guilt and shame with that question? Why does she stay Sarong question? We should be asking why as someone's hurting someone. We shouldn't be asking why someone stays Jennifer thank you. Thank you people the so a couple of questions for me in the time we have remaining. I'll give you in the easy one out of the way I will. You do more high profile crime podcast. That depends a second season of cold. I think is going to happen. And the reason reason why is because you are all here these are stories that are important to tell because of what they mean for all of us in our own lives. I feel very passionately about the need to keep doing this. Don't know what that case is going to be yet but stay tuned next question here. Did you encounter any ethical issues in reporting this story or obtaining any information could you share how how you navigated that. I took you through how I got. The case. File the redacted case file through the process of the reporting. I ended up with my hands on on the complete UN redacted case file which means Personal Information Bank records confidential police tactics. Thanks a lot of information so yes. There were absolutely ethical issues. About how much of that guy used. What would be the harm? INSA- say describing a certain police interrogation technique. Because I don't want to give a roadmap to the next Josh Powell. My way of dealing with that was rooted in really the tenants of journalism. I wanted to base as my story on fact. I wanted to make sure that my personal opinion was not coloring. The story that was presented in the podcast podcast and I hope I did a decent enough job of that. I'm human so let's talk about choices. I ended the call. PODCAST with a pledge and and that pledge was we can do better we can do better for one another and the choices that we make and how we treat one another in how we talk to members of our families to our co workers to how we sometimes get a little upset at the guy on I fifteen who cuts us off right we can do better for one another. But there's another part of this pledge and that is we can be better and this is internal this is about looking inward and finding the ways that we can be the best versions of ourselves. Ask that we can make better choices. And if you take one thing away from the cold podcast or this event tonight Eh. We're from Susan Powell's example. I hope it's that we can all be better. Aw thanks everybody..
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"Actually had literally. I mean it was a huge stack. So thank you everybody for all the questions that you submitted. And we're going to do our best to I think. Hit some good highlights here Ellis. This one is interesting because it's something that I think about. Uh Myself and it is. How did covering this case for so long? Affects you in your personal life. There's there's a few different parts to that. In the beginning. Going through the investigation it was. It was very difficult because I couldn't discuss what I was experiencing experiencing mentally physically emotionally going through this investigation with anybody except for my peers. That was within the investigation team. I could talk to them and so being amongst my family and friends ends and the public you know I would constantly get questions and so that was challenging but moving on after the investigation there is always questions. People always had questions and I would do my best to try to answer them so that it can give them an idea as to how was working this investigation. You mentioned mentioned was something you couldn't talk about. Why is that typical? Yeah I mean for the most part when you're working in a criminal investigation and you're preparing to go to court. You can't be discussing the details of the investigation instigation. If I was talking to these young ladies down here about a case I was working. WHO's to say? They may be related right right. So then they go they talked and then it gets skewed. It's like the whole Plastic Cup the deep in the thread and the other cup or sitting around a fire. Nice Nice as something to you and by the time it gets over here you know so. It's just not good. It's just not good actors and you've got to keep that stuff close to your chest for prosecution. Okay do over in the case what would it be. No do overs. No do overs. Though I'm the face of in this case I was surrounded by exceptional investigators. I mean we have the best investigators working on this case case and we had exceptional leadership. I mean there are sergeants lieutenants captains deputy chiefs chiefs so. I mean. It wasn't just me. It wasn't just all my decision. We collaborated all the time. Matter of fact I'll touch on car that somebody meant road and was like hey with having such little experience experience why were you working in this case. Well okay. Good question. been eight years nine years with West Valley at that point and fourteen years altogether in the system but again it goes back like I had. I had spectacular investigators on this case. Ace The really really poured everything they had until they had a lot of experience and we had a great leadership to so no do overs. Man I mean what this. This investigation consisted of is the timeframe. That's what has to be done in circumstantial. Nobody homicide if we would've took Josh the court in two thousand and ten I guarantee you we would have lost the case. Okay so wait a minute because we have another question. This one is off twitter from Brooke and Brooke wants to know if Josh was still alive today. Would the police prosecute him. Based off of the circumstantial evidence absolutely and we went to prosecute him today we would have prosecuted him in two thousand twelve that sprigg. So yes. We've certainly would have. We had this circumstantial santeuil evidence for that. And I believe we would have been successful. And I think the point of this question is some of that circumstantial evidence you. I've had from the very beginning so I guess explain a little bit to me why. That wasn't enough. Maybe the day of or in in those first forty eight hours to you. Know to throw him in a cell at this county jail. Well Dave. You're right. There was some really good solid circumstantial evidence that was collected the day of and throughout. I two weeks like the blood on. Yes sir well blood on the tile You you have to have a substantial amount of evidence not a substantial you have to have evidence is going going to prosecute so I think these to answer. This is if we were and took this in front of a judge or court or jury sorry and we had her last testament we had the blood on the tile and we had a theory I guarantee see you that a defense attorney could take this case a thousand different directions to sway the jury or the judge. There is absolutely no way that that he would have been convicted. None Guaranteed and I think anybody research some some pass cases where there was even bodies and and they got off. I mean look at Casey Anthony. Yeah well she wasn't convicted for killing her kid. So so there's a difference between between making that arrest based on that circumstantial evidence early on versus a little while down the road when you've had a chance to really vet out all the other possibilities my understanding that right. Yeah absolutely it takes time. You take all this circumstantial evidence and I'll tell you that was was one of the hardest. Most hardest things was keeping that last will and testament close to our chest as far as an agency because this sir deserve writings and she's very very descriptive is to where she wants her boys and who's responsible and it was so also difficult to keep that away from the Cox family. Oh I can't but that was one key piece of evidence that we were going to have to fight to to introduce him to the court system because it's considered hearsay and there's a variety of other things that came up. There was digital evidence that Steven Powell. Aw In his horrible horrible disgusting acts or I Michael Powell's car comes to light to salvage yard so so it does take time and with time you investigate every seeing you eliminate any red hearings and then when you go to court. All the defenses left with is attacking me personally. So you brought up Michael. I personally remember when Michael took his own life I was at work at KSL. Imagine from what I would. I was at work on the news desk and we got this report out of Minneapolis that somebody jumped from a parking garage and that person was Michael Powell and it took us a minute to kind of connect the pieces there and it was this question for me like who. Who is this guy was involved? He is a member of the family. But we never heard about and I learned a lot during the podcast but one of the questions that we received was about Michael and the probability of him being involved in disposing Susan's body. Do you think he had a part. No okay why why why. Why why you know? There's there's there's a possibility. There is some possibility that when he came down to Utah from the state of Washington and met up with Josh. Gosh that the could have went and re located or body. That's very probable. But but I mean it's so risky. It's so so risky and another thing is let's go back to Joshua's interviews okay. This is a guy clearly those responsible for his wife's disappearance Okay and you you guys have seen small clips here and there awesome may have went online and saw some longer clips. But he's to calm is to collected. He's too confident so that tells me that. He disposed of her body in a fashion dead. He knew that nobody's going to find her. And so you know I mean I could be completely wrong and peers that I worked with on the case to believe that they relocated to body together and that very well could have have happened. I don't know nobody knows so a lot of very smart people have seemed to imply that. Steve Powell aw might have had a hand. What do you think well? This is my theory is we've seen throughout the podcast. CAST and throughout all the film. That's came out on Steve. It makes me sick every time we talk about him or even put his face up there but he had such a fascination with her that. I think you would probably have murdered Josh. Is He learned. That got josh was responsible for Susan's disappearance. I mean there is a different connection there between Steve in his mind with Susan in that connection between Josh and Steve But there is absolutely nothing supports that he steve. Didn't Mike Josh much. I mean from reading his journals. That was my take away like break. Josh was a huge disappointment as far as concerned. Yeah and I think for Steve Taking.
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"My first job going through the case file after after deciding to do the podcast was to read. That man's filthy disgusting journals two thousand pages covering a decade of his the private thoughts about his own daughter-in-law hearing Susan respond to that. Uh for me was the most profound part of this whole story because it completely undercut God. Everything that Steve Powell tried to say in the media after Susan disappeared. I don't WANNA focus on Steve Right. It's about Susan but part of the challenge with this. Is that Steve recorded himself. Josh recorded quartered himself. But we didn't have Susan's voice. I don't have hours and hours of her recording. So I had to find somebody who could embody the voice of Susan for the podcast and the only way to do that was to tap some of my co workers on the shoulder older and ask them to step in chief among them was kristen. Sorenson who played the role of Susan. When you approached me about I was very excited and curious and I think you had said I just think your help with this in just need fifteen minutes and we went downstairs in that tiny studio and fifteen minutes turned into two hours? I do voice over work for a living Eric my job so it was natural for me to go the the direction of saying. Hey I I think that I would like to take this on. I knew that Dave call he was gonna put together an exhaustive really powerful investigative story. And I thought if there's any way I can at least add some compelling nature to that it'd be more than happy to be the creepy voice of Steve Pal Dave's only Advice for me it was just monotone and dry and those that was literally it. Very graciously gave me the full scripts so that I could kind of know what what's going on are kind of figured if he's writing diaries about it. Then he's getting kind of into the core of the soul. He basically gave me a clip. said here this is what I want you to sound sound like this is a recording of Josh. See if you can try to emulate. That took the time to imagine what she was. She was thinking what she was feeling. I had to keep that in in the back of my mind. His name is Kenneth Really just saw the world through his own lands. Very Selfish Wins Very Self Indulgent Lens. He talked about his his fears that his son May actually have done this and that the woman that he loved and he thought loved him and return was probably probably dead and his son was responsible. This is a passage that is pretty much the epitome of narcissism. Really see that coming until Dave gave me the diaries Arista preagreed. I'm better than most of the people I know. I'm not being conceited. Either is just a fact. It's about time you realize it. I mean the guy was really smart. And that's what makes it so scary and so. I think that he thought that everything that he was doing the way that he was was right. That's the beauty of what the cold podcast it's been able to do is being able to get a lot of women to understand. I'm in a situation. Not Unlike what Susan Powell's and I've got to do something before it turns turns ugly. She's reading the self help book and and she's feeling down and frustrated and alone. These things are ugly the dark excite of our society Utah and across the country and across the world. So you know I just wanted to help be a part of getting that message across. He just did my absolute best best to be able to to describe that in in the inflection in the tone are Wanna think the Eric person or the amazing job they did. We're GONNA take a a quick break. Go catch our breath. Detective Else Maxwell will be joining us after the break as well as Jennifer ox borough from the Utah Domestic Violence Coalition and. We'll we'll be back in just a few minutes. This presentation of cold live will continue after this brief break for a word from our sponsors I would like to invite detective. Ellis Maxwell Maxwell the lead investigator on the Susan Powell case on stage so we can talk about the so. Let's jump back in time with the first forty eight hours of this case. When you first encounter Josh Powell in fact let's let's go into that interrogation room where you have your first shot at really asking him the hard questions Moselle? I was just like any other interview honest with you. I didn't really know a lot about Josh or the family other what I've collected over the course of that day and a half so I wasn't sure how he was going to respond to my questions and and and so trying to keep him. I didn't have enough evidence to go and book him in jail as much as I would like. I told Mr Cox that I was going to put him in jail going back and say sorry. I can't but I had to keeping their keep him talking in so he wouldn't get up and walk out and so that was like the biggest challenge so let's let's play a clip from that interview because this was all recorded voted. And I WANNA get your take on what you see here. We sometimes we eat out a little more on. It's always this kind of kind of batteries. They usually put the fact that we don't put that it's also cheaper than some types as we go to Taco in we can only for five bucks for seventy guys wife has been missing for a day in the most important thing on his mind is how much he spends a del Taco. Do you want to go to lunch more than not at del. TACO DOC is not a sponsor of this show and apparently never will be at this point. Why in the world? How do you deal with that pay? She's she's I mean what do you do. I mean I'm sitting there leading up to that. I am talking to him about an hour into this interview right now. Now up to that point I think and I'm talking to him just trying to learn more about his hobbies Susan's hobbies and cooperate. That information and with what I learned from family and friends that spoke to the day before so essentially. I'm just trying to get that information from him so that I can turn around and use it against them later. Yeah Okay but one thing that you'll learn in you. I think you can support this. Is He avoids talking about anything regarding Susan and the important questions and he really like. He'll pause and they'll come up and start talking about how you can feed his family for four dollars ninety cents. I have to interrupt you because there's another clip that we have ready that I want to share and this actually. When when you're asking Josh about what Susan likes to do in her free time and why are you doing this to me? He called like any other places where she could be. I mean have you checked any places where she it could be but you have to replace places I mean. If there's places we need to go check what places. Check the same confined her. She repeat their lights all these years she has so many. It's absurd out ridiculous. New Shoe with frequent I go to Sally's Sally's aw somewhere near paying your thirty fifth Alderson's so I mean you guys obviously raced out to the sallies. Yeah really that area. It was really really good very frustrating. I mean sitting here watching this. It aggravates me even just as much much now is unfortunately then I couldn't you know grabbed him by the throat and do the things I wanted to do but to I mean it's that right. There folks is quiet tells you yeah. sociopath she'll path those are these are the most dangerous people. These ones are the most dangerous and he's probably was the very first person I have across pass. Was it's like that and we've got some questions we.
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"Doc big beefy Vibrato is always. I mean this kind of seventies like Whoa. This is so crazy. Desperate desperate to talk about anything because because the one thing we wanted to talk about was the one thing we couldn't we wanted it seven Oh six. PM At night when the show started to turn the microphone. And say you guys. Josh Powell killed his wife and no one will really say and it's obvious to everyone. We couldn't care sells a serious news station and that's that's not how KSL operates and so we we were never able to do and these songs. I think kind of like an emotional out little bit like an opportunity to kind of be amazed and indignant and upset and all those things but I do remember being impressive. He wrote some songs. This is so bad it's cringe-worthy and it's like you have to watch this kind of and you have to listen to it. That's that's my vibe off of this and I remember trying to find Susan in the songs I remember that I remember listening being and and hearing Susan the songs. Yeah Jeez what a crazy time. What a crazy time? We can laugh at those songs but we have to remember. This is Steve. Chantrey was right. This man went to prison for what he did a small piece of what he did. Steve recorded countless voyeur videos but there was one tape in particular that I felt for my research was critical to find. Aren't they made the getting signals.
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"I know oh it's obscene and you know I mean if you WanNa take off you can take on. I'm not you know I inspect you Fairly as over bats families for and it led to this realization. If there's a recording according of that transcript that means there's a recording of everything else this transcribed so Joshua Jennifer confronting him while wearing a wire. There's there's a recording it back Susan's oldest son Charley. Talking to the police that day after Susan disappeared. There's a recording of that Susan's the emails thousands of pages of emails in the months leading up to her disappearance. What can I learn from all of that? It was a chance to get to. Susan is more than just a name more than just a headline right and among all of those files was one little line about Josh Powell recording audio journals. And if I could learn something from that interview with Ellis what could I learn from hearing him speaking his thoughts privately. I want to share with you a clip of aw Josh Powell's audio journals now if you've listened to the podcast you've heard a lot but this is something that has never been heard publicly outside of this room so if we could. Let's cue up the Audio Journal. But the reason I decided to start keeping such a specific journal was because breath I proposed to Susan and I thought what would be more perfect to start keeping a calendar of our relationship nations ship since we're engaged now and then every day. I've been writing a little bit of what we've done that day. So Oh my sweet. Susan motivates me to write this journal entries. It is incredible to me. This beautiful girl is the best friend. I have no reservations as to whether she is my best friend or not she is. She motivates me to do. Oh good and to live a better life and I don't ever have to question in my mind at all whether or not I can trust her. I don't have to worry about whether or not I will get hurt as I have been asked relationships because I trust that she not only loves me deeply and truly protect she also has in what it takes to treat me right so we have all these materials and we're dragging them out of the West Valley city police this department the wire recording Jennifer confronting her brother. We learned a lot a lot about the police investigation the behind the scenes that you never heard in the headlines Operation Soon Nami the coordination of the wiretap and then of course. Yes we see. Steve Powell going to prison for the crimes that he committed against. Its next door neighbor. And we see Joshua's brother taking his own life rather than face the consequences of the why that he told under oath. But there's another character in this story and his name. Is Steve Chantrey..
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"The biggest question I regret. I still don't have an answer for that question. Where's Susan and then and in two thousand three thirteen? Excuse me May of two thousand thirteen. The West Valley City Police Department declares this case cold and at that point they took the unusual step of releasing a redacted version of their case file. I've never seen anything like this in my career. And that conducted case file. Is this little thumb drive full of files and folders it became on the basis for the cold podcast. And that's what brought us here today. The first discovery for me in case file was a transcript of UH Joshua's interview with detectives Maxwell the day after Susan disappeared and as I was reading through that came clear to me that I needed to know more than just what he said. I needed to understand how he said. And if there is a transcript there's probably ably a video so you've probably heard a piece of this already. But let's cue up the clip of Josh talkline. Okay you know I mean I wish I could see her cry. Was You.
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"Evening everybody I I WANNA thank everybody for coming tonight. This is something that I never expected to be doing. I don't think. KSL The company that I worked for had any the concept when we created the cold podcast that it would end up having the impact that it has had and and that so many people would identify a new with the story of Susan Powell and it means the world to me personally that all of you would take the time that you would spend the money to come here tonight. The I hope everybody knows that. A portion of the proceeds feeds tonight are going directly to the Utah Domestic Violence Coalition and. We have an opportunity a bit later this evening to hear from the Executive Director of that organization about how Susan Story continues to encourage people to reach out for resources so a huge thing hue to the domestic violence coalition. I have to tell you you. I'm super uncomfortable being on stage. I really don't even like being on television. I come from radio this is this is not my comfort level so so if I shake a little bit tonight if I mess up a queue here there please just bear with me. Why are we here? The reason we're here is because of Susan and it's because of Charlie and it's because of three people who I never got to meet but who I feel like I have come to know through my work researching this case so we know this story right. December seventh two two thousand nine Susan Disappears Josh cleanses on the camping trip. Not Too long after just a little over two years later. Josh up in Washington kills himself and the boys to avoid facing the consequence of the likeliness that he killed his wife. Why did Susan story turned into the cold podcast? well as a journalist covering this case I was left unsatisfied. I wanted to know why Josh was never arrested. I wanted to understand understand why he was allowed to have the boys after he moved up to Washington. I wanted to understand why Susan knowing what she knew about him remained in a situation where she was at such risk..
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"All right with all of that background now. We have to look at the paperwork. Josh filed with his car insurance company after the crash on Banger Highway in Utah back in September. Two thousand nine Josh wrote he had whiplash one of the questions on the form arm asked if he had previously been treated for quote similar symptoms he checked no actually had no idea that the guy had made any claim whatsoever with my insurance company. Until you guys come up with that information it was pretty revealing bill. Josh's own records prove he claimed whiplash after the two thousand three crashing Yakima. When Bob Powers Rear ended his van Kobe state farm agent? ACID- did this really all happen when they actually get some kind of pay out and of course told me extent of the Pale and says you've got to be kidding me Djilas how come there. There wasn't followed by you guys because I that following close ticket was dismissed at court I would think he would have no obligation and As well we take it out of your hands and I have you. Have you worried about it whatsoever. Reform while state farm farm didn't share the details of Josh's two thousand three claim with Bob. The company did enter those records into a fraud prevention database. They were available available to Jeff. Lewis is insurance company as it investigated. Josh's two thousand nine claim. The two thousand nine crash happened three months before Susan disappeared. Josh was still undergoing treatment for his injuries when his wife vanished and in the months that followed the the insurance companies ordered another independent medical exam which I described in episode six of cold the paper trail from that I m e revealed old. Josh was diagnosed with a rotator cuff strain or partial tear. Just ten days after Susan disappeared. He blamed that injury On the crash even though there was no mention of it in any of the prior medical records. Yeah they will. It was an act he. He claimed shoulder injury when the cop pulled up he was holding us back. It was all an act again. That's Jeff The guy who rear ended Josh three months before Susan and disappeared when I saw him on the news and his wife was missing My gut feeling was is that he was trying to get insurance money right away when I see this. I'm going man. This guy this. This guy got rid of his wife for money on the surface. None of these crashes seem like much but taken together. They paint a picture of Josh Powell willing to scam the insurance system for a few thousand bucks or in Jeff's view maybe a million bucks Susan's life insurance and then it comes out that you know. She did have an insurance policy Z.. And so that's exactly what I thought he did. I wasn't sure what I would find when I first set out to identify the driver who hit Josh on that September Day in two thousand nine nine to be honest I wasn't sure I would ever be able to. There wasn't enough detail. All I knew was someone crashed into. Josh's minivan the ban on or near the BANGER highway. I scoured the West Valley City case files but came up empty handed. I checked court records. It's for any case connected with Josh Powell. On that date. There weren't any. I submitted public records requests to multiple police departments Asking for reports of any crash involving Josh's minivan on or around that date none had any. It had not occurred to me then. Then that the highway patrol might have jurisdiction while I wasn't able to identify Jeff it turned out he was listening to cold. My wife actually found it and said you've got to listen to this guy. She knew the little bit of a background of being an accident with Josh POW. How so she said you've got to listen to this podcast? They mentioned you in this. I'm like yeah they don't mention me. What are you talking about? Jeff reached out indirectly by by leaving a review for the podcast on your cell podcast. I did leave a comment saying hey you can reach me I'm the guy that got an accident with them. I've been brought up a few times and that was probably January of this year but that comment was soon buried and I never saw it. Months went by and season one of cold came to an end still. I couldn't shake the sense that I needed to find this driver so I turned to social media media in the minutes immediately after the September crash. Josh snapped a photo from the passenger seat of his minivan. It showed the truck that it hit him that Reggie. MCC era as well as the other driver. The photo was still on Josh's phone when when Detective Ellis Maxwell took it from him. The day after Susan disappeared for example. That's good Having onto when digital forensics investigators went through Josh's phone with a search warrant several months later they. They recovered the picture but nothing about it raised suspicion. I mean there. I don't think there's ever a sense of urgency to find me. It was I had a minor brush in and with this guy. And Jeff didn't come forward on his own back then because he didn't see how his encounter with Josh could have any relevance he. We had no way of knowing that Josh had used that crash to obtain a prescription for Cyclo benzopyrene a muscle relaxant capable of knocking. Someone off their feet eight. He didn't know about. Josh is suspicious shoulder injury or the I.. Emmy that suggested Josh was scamming. The insurance company. I had a copy of Josh's photo the one from his phone over the summer I uploaded it to facebook instagram along with a plea for help identifying demand showed my wife actually shot me a picture of me standing outside of my truck I said what the heck where did you get this and she says well it's it's on facebook it's on the cold podcast facebook Jeff and I at last connected he also provided documentation which I was able to verify Arafat as authentic. He was the guy. But I just you know always found it very interesting Listening to the PODCAST You know being an accident with this guy. I followed the case. It's a heartbreaking situation when we spoke jeff shared feelings of frustration over how the entire tire situation head unfolded following. Susan's disappearance highveld. H You know as a father that the system had completely so. Let those kids down There's nothing they can do about Susan. But they I feel like those kids could have been saved Josh Powell's car crashes and the Petty Insurance claims he filed pale in comparison to the tragedy of what eventually actually unfolded in the Powell family but they help us understand his behavior with the benefit of hindsight we can now see the troubling ways things in which he attempted to use people. It didn't matter. If those people were the strangers behind him in traffic or the two children he shared with the woman he mistreated and likely murdered. If Susan story sounds familiar failure in your own life in other words if you or someone you know is experiencing domestic abuse in any form. Please get immediate help in the. US support is a phone. Call Away at the national domestic violence hotline at one eight hundred seven nine seven two three three or online at www dot the hotline dot. Org if you would like to support cold please subscribe in your podcast App of choice and in considered leaving us a rating or review. All of those help us reach new listeners. You can also find us on facebook instagram and twitter at the cold podcast and we have a website with articles pictures and video the cold podcast dot com. Michael Bond Miller composed the music for cold old except for the guitar stuff that was me the. KSL PODCASTS team includes too many people to name here but my special thanks to our leader Cheryl Cheryl worsley to our TV producer. Fairmont to our radio producer Becky Bruce Digital Specialist Josh Chilton and my fellow podcast producers Nina the Ernest and Danielle prager. Cold is a production of K._S._l.. podcasts thank you for listening..
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"Back to the tracking data on the afternoon of Wednesday December sixteenth. Two thousand nine. The minivan left this Air Circle House on another another drive across the Salt Lake Valley. This time it went south and east. It took a circuitous path into sandy a suburb bourbon nestled against the foot of the wasatch mountains at three zero two PM. The minivan pulled into a parking stall at flat. Iron Mesa. Park the same thing dumpster. It's no accident that these are not close to his residence. Another dumpster flour made. This is a big dog walking park. There's Lotta people there. There's going to be a ton of cars. You could pull their anytime. He wanted to walk over that dumpster and would attract attention at all. He's not showing up at midnight. He's he's not trying to Be there when nobody's there. He doesn't care he's picking places where he could open the back of his car grab. Garbage bag walked with dumpster and wouldn't raise any suspicion suspicion at all the minivan left park at three. Oh Four PM after a stop of just two minutes. It headed north to the intersection of nine hundred east. I am forty five hundred south. The Mini van came to a stop within line of sight of another dumpster behind a walgreens pharmacy. The minivans minivan circled the walgreens slowing as it went by the dumpster. But it didn't actually stop that's by business that's not by a residential neighborhood Ruder Park. I bet there's probably some signing John Dumpster that it's not for public use or something like that he didn't want to attract attention so he didn't want to pull up there and put something but in that dumpster because somebody could have walked out of that business and said hey man that's that's our business and then they grabbed the bag. That's a problem for him. So my guess is he got up there and saw but that was walled in and it wasn't publicly accessible so he just kept driving right into downtown Salt Lake City. At five hundred South End emory street. It pulled into the parking lot of a church and once again cruised by but did not stop at a dumpster looking at satellite imagery. Greg noticed that dumpster outside the church was surrounded by a wall and fence. You can see that has got doors on it that are closed. They may be locked. He'd already decided what dumpsters what types the the dumpsters he was gonNA use. And if you didn't like what he saw he just kept driving. He didn't have to be anywhere instead of stopping at the church. The tracking data showed the minivan hopped a couple of blocks south south to poplar Grove Park. It pulled into the parking lot at four five PM and remained there for about twelve minutes. He obviously had more than one bag. He hit more than one dumpster. He had things all divvied up. He had a plan that he thought was genius. I'm going to hide the stuff. The cops are never going to figure this out now. There aren't any dumpsters at Poplar Grove Park but on any day of the week any time of year there are plenty of garbage cans public public place other cars there. People probably walking their dogs around there and as you well know when people are walking their dogs they pick up after their dogs. They use the garbage cans. Wouldn't be at at all unusual to walk up almost garbage cans though bagging three confirmed stops near dumpsters or garbage cans with several other dumpster drive bys during the first I two weeks following Susan's disappearance yet. There are no mentions of this in West Valley. Police case files question is why wouldn't somebody on him and why aren't they going through those dumpsters..
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"Also prohibited. Any new stories from going online and blocked Josh and his family from even talking about the contents of Susan's journals? Steve made an initial court appearance that day as well pleading not guilty to all fifteen counts. He end Josh talked through things over the phone has Steve's that in the Pierce county jail. One phone call. Thank were Josh actually says that MRs record line, you know, which it tells you when you make phone calls kinda put them in kind of which was we're Josh told Steve to be careful about what he said into sit tight because the family would get him a good lawyer. After the hearings. Susan sister, Denise spoke through tears begging. Josh and Steve to come clean. It's hard. And I just want this all to come to pose a mother she's alive wrenches. Let me know where she's at. So. Our family. I just want him to talk to the police. I want Josh talked to listen just if you're so innocent as you claim. Why are you talking and? I I know she didn't run away with somebody. That's just unbelievable that they're even continuing to say that those points. Chuck Cox told reporters that in spite of Steve's arrests they were no closer to knowing what it actually happened to Susan. We still don't know where she is. So we're still concerned about that. But we're also very concerned for the welfare of grandchildren of what's desk. Take care of them, or they we're doing everything legally that we can Josh still had some fight left in him that afternoon he headed to the Washington state children's administration office into coma for an F T DM or family team decision making meeting. It was his chance to explain where he wanted his sons to end up in the immediate future. Tears gathered in the corners of Josh's is as he said his boys needed to be protected from the Cox's their home was the last place. He wanted his sons to live. In paperwork filed along with that meeting. Josh listed, his religion as not Mormon that same afternoon social worker. Rocky Stevenson sat down with Josh for an interview they chatted about Josh's parenting style and how he disciplined the kids before getting to the matter of Steve's arrest. Josh said, he was only somewhat aware of the charges and that he hadn't watched the TV news coverage because he found it depressing. Stevenson told Josh police found voyeur videos and images showing prepubescent girls in the nude in Steve's bedroom. Josh said, he didn't know anything about that. And had never seen his dad recording kids. He did. Admit though, Steve was obsessed with Susan Josh that he'd erupted his dad after the search warrant rate in August, Steven come clean to a son about what he had written in his journals and apologized. Josh didn't let it go..
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"As Josh Fahd in court over Susan's journals west valley police were reading Steve's journals in the very earliest entry. He wrote not about Susan. But instead a woman named Lydia Stephen briefly interacted with Lydia at a work conference and daydream about what his life would be like if they were to marry if Lydia's name sounds familiar, it's probably because the wrote songs about her then there was a huge gap time in the journals jumped forward to January of two thousand and three were Susan made her first appearance in many ways, my life has seemed out of control. My biggest problem as well. As my greatest pleasure lies in the fact that for over a year, I've been madly in love with my daughter in law. Susan most of the rest of the more than two thousand pages contained in those journals dealt with Susan in one way or another. He wrote open. About many of the disturbing behaviors we've already talked about. I am Agean. My obsession with her Maya cumulation of pictures, and underwear will seem nasty or perverted to some future reader, perhaps a descendant of mine and Susan's, but I am not inclined to hide the death and power of the desire. I feel for he went so far as to describe in detail how he had stocked. Susan Susan got off work at nine. And and I was waiting concealed near her car when she was about a hundred yards away. I started filming and got her walking all that way with close ups of her legs cetera. I was kind of making a pretense of hiding, but I knew she knew I was stalking her. And I knew she liked it Steve expressed agony when Susan moved away to Utah. He showed anger the she could lead him on. And then just abandon him. Always in his mind. It seemed Susan was the instigator she he felt was responsible for his. Thoughts and actions. Steve often reflected in his journals about the poor state of Josh and Susan's relationship. There's is truly a marriage made in hell, it's hard to believe that two people could be so nasty to each other before they even celebrated their third anniversary in public. They look like the loveliest couple, but in private they have no respect for each other and little love Steve rooted for an all out collapse in divorce on the assumption. It would open up a path for he Susan to live together at best Josh's indifferent about her at worst. He dislikes her intensely, but tolerates her because she is a good piece of assets. And she keeps money coming in. I've read all of these journal entries and a reader comes away from them with the impression that Steve didn't much care for Josh privately. Steve mock, his son's inability to hold a job and complained about the way Josh took advantage of people including his own siblings. To achieve his financial ends. Steve also recognized at least in some form that his thoughts and feelings were abnormally. He even said, they were akin to alcoholism feel like I'm letting my entire life slide. My bills.
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"To encryption really what it comes down to is how long or escape the password is because breaking Christian typically, you just do. Brute force, you just trying combinations from dictionary combinations of letters alpha numeric characters and so the longer that password is the longer is going to be before you can break it. Josh did not use a weak password. At least not on that encrypted. Western Digital hard drive. Taken. From his basement are CFL attempted to crack it without any luck. West valley police asked the makers of the F T K toolkit software to take a stab at it as well. The even sent a mirror of that encrypted drive to the secret service experts in cryptography in June of two thousand and ten but they fared, no better than the CF L by may of two thousand and eleven west valley. Police had determined the encryption could not be cracked they then turned to a private vendor. A Utah company called decipher forensics and ask for their help as of October of two thousand seventeen this. I for had not been able to get past the encryption cluster computing where a series of computers are linked together and set at a single task can speed up the process of brute, forcing password are CFL's use that technique sometimes. But even that doesn't always do the job. We've also had ones where we've been using our cluster to try and break these Griffin and. Wrote it for months, and it's dried billions and billions of combinations Nipper the search warrant that had authorized the rate of Steve Powell's home on August, twenty fifth of two thousand eleven made specific note of the ongoing problem posed by Josh's use of encryption. It said more than terabyte of Josh's data remained locked, but that doesn't necessarily mean that there's one terabyte of unseen evidence in the Powell case. But who knows is there something on there that is grim Nateing haunt you. You'll never known to you actually get into it. And of course, people encrypt files for any number of legitimate reasons. Protecting Bank records personal data or private messages. Still many people believe cracking joshes encryption holds the last best hope for finding Susan. It's good maybe to be up to mystic like that. But in the end, there could be nothing on it. Oh you. On the same September day that Pierce county deputies seized Josh's backup hard-drive from his safe deposit box. A judge in Utah signed a warrant the gave west valley. Police permission to start tearing into the mountain of digital data. They'd taken out of Steve Powell's home during that search warrant raid on August twenty fifth in a decidedly analog twist. The detectives also took every single sticky note and scrap of paper they found in the house that might hold a password. They looked for strings of letters and numbers, or even names kids names, pet's names, birthdates the things people often uses password material, and there's a good reason for that strong complex passwords are difficult to remember. So what do people do they have to write it down somewhere? Maybe they use password keeping program. Maybe they just put it in a little notes in their phone, whatever it happens to be, you know, some people still put it on a sticky note, put it under their keyboard? Right. The detectives realize. None of the computers. They had found were from Steve's work. So they went back several days later to see his work issued laptop. It like the backup hard-drive Josh tucked away in a safe deposit box ended up at our CFL. The forensic review of the computers in devices seized in Washington began in mid September of two thousand and eleven it didn't finish until the following summer. That timeline speaks to the huge task of sifting through thousands upon thousands of files. Computer security experts have told me one way criminals try to hide their tracks his by creating a large number of irrelevant files. It could be either they've created digital evidence. Or it's just that they have twenty computers in their house. And they just have so many items when you have that it makes it much more difficult because it's more time consuming while than software does a lot of the processing Safi, it still takes that human element to go through the things and determine what's what's relevant, and what's not Josh was digital pack rat he'd kept scanned copies of almost every piece of paperwork in his life. You might remember he even made scanning his receipts one of Susan's household chores. Here's what Josh.
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"I made sure that I left my phone on. I used my cell phone and my credit cards. That remark got their attention during his December camping trip. Josh had kept his phone off and not used his credit cards. He obviously understood they could be used to track his movements. One of the detectives told Josh they wanted to take a peek inside his storage unit and see what had brought back from Utah. The investigators drove to the storage unit. Josh opened it up and move some stuff around. So they could get a better. Look, the only noteworthy thing was a split geodesy along single strand of hair clung to it. The geodyne hair were probably from the camping trip. Josh and Susan had taken with the boys to the Dugway geo beds in may of two thousand and nine year earlier police took them as evidence just in case. Steve wrote about his interactions with the investigators on that day in his journal. I had a sense that they had found her even though they refuse to acknowledge that they wanted to check out our computers to find out if we had any contact with Susan since December seventh I think it was apparent to them that the answer to that question was negative. Steve understood as well as the police did just what Josh final move out of the west valley city home meant Josh never expected or intended to be with Susan again. Ellis. Maxwell new Steve had not given up hope in his mind Schuessel alive. And I'm sure it some point he probably thought she's hiding from Josh for a minute. And then she's gonna come back and be with Steve. I mean, this guy's so left a center, it's crazy. Spent the whole. Four. I could be get in on the student can impre each time. You seem to gaze. Here is what Steve wrote in his journal on may seventeenth of two thousand and ten even if she's not in this deep doodoo, she really no longer has a home. Josh has rented out their house. He really doesn't want her back and doesn't particularly want her to be around the boys. I would take her into my home and bedroom a minute what have to deal with some very strong objections from my kids. I'm sure none of them would be thrilled to have her shack up with me and become by default. The Queen of the house. On the next episode of cold. I just said, you know, why don't you be a bigger man and not give those journals out to anyone those are childhood journals. He's will you don't know what I went through. You don't know if you haven't already please subscribe to cold tosses a rating or a review you.
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"Making. Okay. On that. Been to bothersome lately. All last voice belonged to Josh he chatted with kurkin Jennifer about his trip with Michael in the U haul. A couple of weeks prior Mike. Did he really? He was about. Josh seemed relaxed. He talked freely about birthday party plans for the boys and his efforts to find a new job. He said he hoped to land something in the IT field. If not well, there was always unemployment thought right now it would be. Gold award. Very important. Early in the game. Yeah. The Sarah circle house back in west valley city was also on Josh his mind, he still had a mortgage to pay and with no income the house was turning into an albatross. Probably go. Go obviously, go back, hue tightening. Yeah. I don't know when. Did. Josh wasn't sure selling was the best idea though. The market was soft and the house still needed some work like finishing the new back deck or completing the basement. You know, life the rental idea that didn't code. Traffic..
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"This is cold episode to wake up little Susie. I'm Dave collie. Real quick. You're going to hear a lot in this podcast from Josh's sister, Jennifer graves, she wrote a book about her experiences, titled a light in dark places. I mentioned that because in this episode in particular, you are going to see some of that darkness up close. I'm putting it under a spotlight in order to reveal truth just stick with me. Susan wasn't long out of high school when she met. Josh she'd started studying cosmetology at the gene Juarez academy of beauty just eight days after graduation. Josh had actually encountered Susan before gears before but claimed not to have realized it the day they met at a church institute class it happened when Josh was eighteen and a high school senior he had followed his dad from Spokane to Puyallup after his parents divorce. That's where he met Susan's older Sister, Mary he went to the Cox house and saw Susan for the first time she was twelve so we had met at her house. And she remembered me as the person who came over and played piano. She was much too young. Relatively speaking. For me to continue dating. I think that I think that I looked at her. She is really cute to batch Hughes. Too young. Josh and Susan were not an obvious match when they met again in October of two thousand they had few common interests aside from each being a member of the church of Jesus Christ latter-day saints and knowing some American sign language Susan's friends wondered what she saw in Josh his feelings for her seemed self-centered, I think that she is incredibly beautiful. And. A lot of that is because of the way she treats me the way she takes care of me and my house she comes in here. And she is the one person. That I can feel comfortable with in my house. She'll. Start doing the dishes or. Something. Just because she is standing there for a minute. And. She doesn't have anything else to do. And I know that this is a real part of her. And it's important to me to have someone who is who takes care of me, and my stuff, and and our space together that was not the only thing Josh liked about Susan for one. She had clean credit as I mentioned earlier, Josh racked up some serious debt in his early twenty s in the past. It seems like I've had the goal of have more. Now have a computer now have. A TV in VCR and all these things now. And forget about the future Delray about fading money. It's okay to go into debt. I've I went into get pretty heavily. Josh recently enrolled at the university of Washington Tacoma business school and needed to find about fifteen.
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"But was the moralize and intended to give up the chase. When the food was done that night. Josh asked his guests for help doing the dishes. Susan volunteers that doing dishes together with very moment. She decided. And for me doing dishes with her. Turning point for me when I thought. It's not over. They shared their first kiss that night Susan later road. That's when she knew Josh was the one. Josh had hit the jackpot. He had tried and tried and tried for years to get any girl to give him the time of day. Sometimes I feel like I can't reach any girls anywhere that for some reason or another they won't give me the chance to even go out with them. Susan was different. She kinda thought Josh was hot. He was smart to in how does own place and even a motorcycle. He was a latter day Saint like, she was and appeared to live the churches standards. I want to remind myself for the future. I knew I been incredibly blast because. Because. We. Willingness to pay my timing. It also helped that Josh was five years older than Susan in more mature than the guys her age or so she seemed to think she meant Josh well on the rebound from the break. The couple marked November eleventh two thousand as the start of their relationship for their first official date. They went to see the movie the perfect storm and then eat sandwiches from subway. They talked about getting married from that very day. I loved this girl. Susan cox. Every day. I love her more and become more and more certain that I want to be with her. So I'm slow to warm up. Taking me a while to tovia alive. That I do want to be with her Forever. forever..