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WKPWP - Interview Friday - Sam Roberts joins Keller to talk AEW Double or Nothing, 24/7, NXT Takeover XXV, WWE Women's Division (5-24-19)

The Wade Keller Pro Wrestling Podcast

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WKPWP - Interview Friday - Sam Roberts joins Keller to talk AEW Double or Nothing, 24/7, NXT Takeover XXV, WWE Women's Division (5-24-19)

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Valid five twenty four to five twenty-seven excludes active, licensed men's packaged flag teas and tanks. And in. Store clearance. Now, PW torch and spreaker bring you the Wade, Keller pro wrestling podcast. It's done for Wade's interview with one of pro wrestling's newsmakers. Art sam. We are on the eve of a e w double or nothing. I find that kinda hard to say e w w nothing if I think hard, I get it. I can articulate it without dripping. What's your sense? It's still early it's, but it's what we got of the buzz in how widespread it is for this upstart company. Do you think there's a ton of excitement? It's niche excitement. How big is what's happening tomorrow night on pay per view from Las Vegas. I think that the buzz is really an I don't know. You know, you wonder if it was would have been smarter to announce the TV deal at the pay per view. I mean I get up fronts and when you're dealing with TNT that it's bigger than wrestling, like this is a network decision. So I'm not I'm more being the wrestling fan just diving in because I almost feel like after that TV announcement was made the real buzz behind this behind a w is about, really the introduction of the promotion, the buzz behind all in was all about that one pay per view, whereas would double or nothing. I think people are excited for the show, and people are excited to experience Awa for the first time, but knowing that we're not going to be able to slide into TV, you know, coming right off this, pay per view. I don't think it quite feels like. This is the true a e w introduction. I think that's a very astute point because I can imagine like right now as a Minnesota Viking fan. If I got to see our team play one game this weekend. But then I had to wait until October to see the actual season start, it'd be kind of fun. But it'd be kind of weird, and it won't feel quite right. Because things can change between now and then and it's sort of a teaser for something that I can't really get fully invested in yet. It's kids feel when they see gifts under the tree. But an open them, we get to open one on Saturday. And I but it is it sort of, like okay, this is a reminder of what's coming up that's gonna for pro wrestling fans change their their, their pro wrestling lights in a certain way because it's a first time they'll be a funded at this level with this kind of buzz and. Fervent following an. Admiration and devotion to some of the key wrestlers that just wasn't there with all the respect to Jeff Jarrett, and TNA when they launched or frankly are wage because it's been more of a slow climb and cruise control thing. So, I think people are, are gearing up for it, but Also Saturday sorta like get really excited. But then don't think about it for a long time, because it's going to be a while before we get to see us every week. There's one hundred percent true. I mean, in a positive way, what Saturday is going to be is this sort of, like. Oh, wow. It's real feeling that I think, is the first time Saturday is when e w goes from concept to product, and it's the first time we get to see it, but it is right? Like for an action figure collector you hear that something is coming out. And then you see it for the first time at toy fair and you get excited because you're seeing it, but it's not gonna hit shelves till Christmas. Right. So, so Saturday is toy fair where we get to see the prototype and then we. Gotta wait a few months before it actually is time for release or to continue the analogies. You got to play with the new iphone at the store, but you have to wait eight to twelve weeks for it to be delivered. All these. Yes. Now that said, I think Saturday is very important. Very revealing all in. I was there it was in the building. It was just a really special atmosphere. And I've been in a lot of special atmospheres for big wrestling shows. But this was just right there in the top tier. And I'm curious if that translates from Chicago to Vegas for the second version. The, the groundswell of support for, for what Cody and everybody involved in that show in the bucks, obviously, we're able to create in the way that they felt that they established a connection with the fans that you're part of something at the ground at the ground level. And we did it, there was this, just the crowd, sort of we did it, you did it. No, you did it and there was spontaneous and enthusiastic chance before the show enduring the show, it was emotional and it translated to. Reaction to cody's anybody at ten when that was different than it would have been under a different circumstances. They weren't just reacting to the match they reacting to the moment that was where that title wanna symbolic of some other things. So that I'm curious if it translates are carries over about a way to put it to AWS I, I went under the actual official Awa banner, and then there's the other side of things. The technical side, Vincent man has a high standard for what a live event looks like. But I was writing that. And saying that back when Monday night when Monday nitro was announced, and I've wrote, and it's there in print in the back issues, there's no way WW can catch up to WWE on the production side. They're not gonna look as good as raw and nitro blew them away on the first week. And everybody was like, wow. They got a vision, and they have a budget and they executed it. So I remember that feeling of just kind of looking at we're going this is this is better than we thought and they know what they're doing. That's the pressure. That's on the Awa crew Saturday. Is this can't look like you're on TNT? This can't look like an amateur production or the beginning of learning curve. There's big money. They already ran a one show with help from ring of honor, of course. But I think there's high expectations for this to look Lasi and ready for primetime. Literally do think they're ready for that. Can they can they produce something without enough without any practice basically that will that won't cause people used to the WWE, and frankly, the antics takeover, though? I mean those shows look great that that gloss in that production value. Are they going to let people down? Or do you think they can deliver it? I hope they can deliver because you're absolutely right. I mean it has to be slick. It has to be professional, a can't feel like a wrestling show. It has to feel like a like an entertainment spectacle. I mean WWE has set the bar and WWE created, what has become sports entertainment. And wrestling has gotten to a place where if you want it to go mainstream it has to on some level, no matter how much you want to infuse sports into it, no matter how much you want to, you know, create a scoring system and concentrate on the Atlanticism it has to be sports, entertainment, because WWE has changed the way people watch this show. I watch watch this, this product wrestling in general. So I think it absolutely has to. Although I mean, I was having the same thoughts about all in all in has to be a show because. It has to when all in was on. It was like this moment for Cody and the bucks to prove that they could do it. And to me that had to have high production value, and I think it really did. So hopefully, they would I feel like production value has to be slightly higher this time. Because, you know, we're talking about a full fledged product we're talking about a preview of what it's going to look like on TV every week, you know, we've heard the confidently has the money to compete with WWE what we've got to see that money spent now that you have to spend that money on the first show, and let's be honest, you're talking about a show on pay per view. That cost double what the first pay-per-view cost you're talking about a sixty dollar fifty to sixty dollar investment from people that were spending thirty dollars. That is a big deal to the average Joe the average person that sitting at home. They've gotten used to paying nine ninety nine for the WWE network. They pay thirty dollars for. All in, they pay somewhere around there. If they're gonna watch a ring of honor, pay per view for an UN tested promotion to come forward and say, our pay per view cost, sixty dollars. You better show me something that is worth me paying sixty dollars for because I mean, you've heard I'm sure the criticisms, it's one of the first major blow Bax that AWS felt is people realizing that they were going to have to pay a bunch more money for double, or nothing. So I think that we do have to see those dollars spent, and obviously w networks changed how people perceive and Netflix as used to pay per movie, and now, you pay an entry fee once a month for all, you can eat, this is very different. I think to a degree fans understand this is different. It's not WWE. They don't have the network. They don't have the TV money coming in. They don't have Saudi money coming in. They don't have how shows that they're running to produce. They don't have a stream of, of licensee partners yet. So the money has to be from the fan up front. It's like paying. A little more at the corner store for a hammer than you do at Home Depot, but you're happy to support him. And that's what AWS counting on. Although the confidently very rich. Yes, exactly. I think that all in was counting on that. And I think that all in could get by. I feel like if that's what their counting on, they may get surprised because in the promotion for, for this show and in all the talk of eighty w Dave said many, many, many times that part of this whole deal is that they have the money to compete with WWE the confidently and the confab families money has been a focal point of conversation. Now, they're still, you know, kind of doing what Vincent man did with Ted Turner, so many years ago in reverse in the sense that they're still saying, hey, we're the underdog here and, and, you know, we don't have this giant publicly traded company with all these revenue streams coming in. But at no point have they tried to. Show themselves financially as secondary. They've, they've said many, many, many times that financially they can compete with WWE. So, you know, I just don't think that now they can go back on that, for any reason, and also, they have put out there that they are writing I there jet flying guessing riding executives and, you know, it's a little bit of Conor McGregor, flare, image projection, and all that in, by the way, this is all fine. If they're playing the long game in the long game includes no production glitches were a video airs, and then they go to the arena and no one saying anything and there's nothing happening in everyone's standing around for four seconds. While you can imagine a producer in the truck going go to. I don't know what they shout, but you'll be Ravi or whatever, you know, the next video, or go back stage, and then there's an interview or standing there, and she doesn't know the cameras on the wrestler's late getting there, you can't have any of that. I've seen that many, many times on, on off shoot wrestling events over the decades and off-shoot Emma may events over the decades. Where you could just tell they just don't have their act together. So if you're going to charge, the fifty fifty sixty bucks if you're going to project out there, you're living the high life jet flying limousine writing, first class all the way, I think, fans have the right to expect out of the gate of first-class experience. Now that said, if it's not, I think fans will be forgiving but they're going to hold them accountable and say you better. Learn your lesson quick because that was an expenditure. And, you know, I don't buy every UC pay per view. And when I see the price point on a pay per view, I go, there's only one fight, maybe two on this, that I'm all that soup that I'm all that super into. I know it could be a good show. It could be a dud. Do I wanna spend this kind of money on this and that's different than tuning in a fight night? Hitting hitting record on the DVR speeding through later with no investment double, or nothing is a, it is a price point where people are thinking this, this, if I do this, it offsets something else that I wanna do. That's how people's budgets are so enough to deliver. Some ready style on your families to do this. Get to old navy today. All t's all tanks all shorts all swimwear. And all dresses are on sale for an incredible fifty percent off. Can't wait to wear by online and pick it up in store for free today. Get all the TS tank shorts swimwear and dresses you need for nonstop summer fun, all at fifty percent off now at old navy and old navy dot com. Hurry ends Monday. Valid five twenty four to five twenty-seven excludes active licensed men's packaged flag teas and tanks and in store clearance. Get to old navy. One day only tomorrow, all jeans are on sale for fifty percent off. That's right. All jeans are fifty percent off for just one day. Hurry. It's tomorrow, only at old navy and old navy dot com. Valid five twenty five excludes in store clearance. Let's at the table introduce ourselves. And then I, I want to go to more about this before we shift to some current WWE topics because there's a lot going on there. This is the Wade Keller pro wrestling podcast interview Friday for may twenty fourth two thousand nineteen and I'm Wade Keller host the program, and I'm joined by the famous voice of Sam Roberts from not Sam wrestling, the WWE kickoff show panel and other other non wrestling media entities. Welcome back. Hey, thanks for having me. Give me and I started was with you. So I don't forget tell people how they can hear more from you and a little preview or a little teaser of some things that you've got going on, on your podcast, that they might be interested in, of course. The non wrestling entity that you're referring to them on Sirius XM every morning on channel one. Oh, three starting at seven AM eastern with Jim Norton doing, Jim Norton and Sam Roberts. So you can check that out over on serious and then not Sam wrestling drops every third. Day this week XBox was on. And I really liked the interview with expert this week. We do I do a monologue about called the state of wrestling with all the topical stuff in it and went off about the twenty four seven title, and Bailey and went off in a good way not, not blasting it or anything but XBox was the guest on this week. And I love the conversation. I had with him. We talked about going into the hall of fame. We talked about him doing a guest spot coaching at the performance center. We talked about Tom, MaGee and the documentary, we talked about his fear of heights and public speaking, which made it for ladder matches and moon salts and promos. Where were complicated for them and a whole bunch more. It was I really, really enjoyed the conversation so you can check that out on itunes. Spotify Stitcher soundcloud dot Sam dot com. Youtube wherever you want to see it tool. If you want to hear Sean Waldman's, first ever public speaking. Venture. I'm trying to get the right word to call it. We're in understand. Ho nervous, he was the first time he was ever in a position to do public speaking, you can go VIP and listened to the interview I did with him in nineteen Ninety-one on cafe and radio. I'll in studio, his first ever interview and. We chuckled about that over the years. So it was awesome. You can you can tell the nervousness. He's, he's come a long way in that regard now hosting his own own podcast. So. Anyway, cool. Let's well let's keep the momentum going on the double or nothing talk for a minute here. And we talked about the price talked about the expectations all that with all that. I might my. My inclination is to think they're gonna come through and impresses. I think that they're taking this very seriously. I think that they're very smart people. They've brought inexperienced people Tony Kahn has produced other major sporting events or been overseeing them and funded them coming from NFL and soccer as we call it here I, it's he's not a novice so bringing that level to this show of experience end funding and the aspirants, and frankly, the pressure that T and T is going to be looking at this, and they have to decide how much effort unless it's all locked in on in writing. They have to decide how much effort, they're gonna put into promoting this on, on Conan, and the NBA and everything just like Fox Sports is doing right now. We're FOX's doing four WB smackdown this fall. It's important to give the impression we know what we're doing. And this is something you want to really invest in. So there's a lot on the line. B I rides the fan feedback for the fifty. Dollar price point. Yeah. Of course. Of course, I agree with that actually all of it. I'm looking at this optimistically, you know, I don't think that anything that we're talking about here is stuff that it hasn't occurred to everybody involved in a high level with a w I think that they know how much this means they're not this is, this is one where they're not setting themselves up to be DIY. They're not setting themselves up to be the little engine that could they're setting themselves up to be a big deal wrestling promotion. And I think that they know what that means. I mean, Cody, especially Cody has a lifetime of experience understanding what it means to put on a big deal wrestling show. You know the young bucks. These are guys who have to prove that, they're the one outlier. They're the one team that doesn't need a giant brand attached to him. Kenny omega has to prove that not going to WWE and becoming a giant star there. And. You know, not being new Japan's biggest star in the world. That was a good idea. This is a guy. Kenny, omega could have easily been the next AJ styles and WWE. I think that anybody who's being honest. I don't think WWE would have done the wrong thing with Kenny omega. I didn't Kenny omega story probably would have been very similar to AJ style story had he gone to WWE after his new Japan contract. He decided not to do that. He's going to aid W as one of the centerpieces of this organization, and he knows that. It's not just about having a good match. It's about having a good match in an environment that makes sense. Kenny, omega wants to be the biggest star in the world. You can't be the biggest star in the world. If it doesn't look like you're on the biggest show in the world. While the Wade Keller progressing Poche shows and Wade Keller, progressing podcasts and PW torch daily casts are all ad-supported free programs. You can make the ads and plugs, go away and went to be great to listen to the straight through without ads and plug. 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Life freedom to be to that free. Get to old navy. One day only tomorrow, all jeans are on sale for fifty percent off. That's right. All jeans are fifty percent off for just one day. Hurry. It's tomorrow, only at old navy and old navy dot com. Valid five twenty five excludes in store clearance. Kenya magazine good example of somebody who with the WWE machine behind them could have become an exponential bigger star than he is. Now I wandered around the concourse at a WWE how show a few months ago and asked people who looked like they were in the eighteen to forty nine target demo of Awa not just guys. But I didn't ask like I didn't ask like the mom tried to try to organize their kids in the cotton candy line, but they eighteen forty nine adult demo who I imagined might have heard of, of Cody Kenny and the bucks. And I asked thirty some forty so my camera exactly people had. They heard of him. And it was it was a little bit less than half had had heard of Kenya, Meghan, the box, but it was funny because when someone said, no, the next person aligned would say, oh, I have, and that's a hey, you to need talk like. So they're like, they gave me strange. Looks like first of all, why, why are you coming up to me? While I'm in line for beer asking me questions. You know, you got that kind of weird thing, but I got over that in college, I had to go do man on the street interviews for for TV journalism courses. But it was like, so once we got past that they're like, no, I haven't, but a lot of people had, but not, not more not to thirds, not even half. So can you'll make a would have by definition become a bigger star quickly with the WWE machine behind them. So now the question is how much of what Kenny has because Kenny is going to be leaned on heavily by a w to be the top star that has not been on WWE TV. I think he's going to they're going to lean out a more than the bucks or Christopher Daniels, and kazarian Scorpio sky MJ f Joey Danila. He's the non WWE guy, who they need to turn into a star and he's super talented and he's, he's got this quirky marketable personality. He's thin -tic everywhere. Gone people like him and are drawn to watch him wrestle both because of what he does in the ring and how he cares himself. And all that aid, w the one of the biggest early tests is Saturday. Do they and I don't know that they're going to reach a whole new audience with double or nothing. That's even the goal I think they are playing long ball. But there are, there are going to be people who watch this who haven't seen a lot of Kenneth Kenny before. And this is the next step, whether they've seen him a little or not at all to show people, this is this is the new top star in the business that you've been waiting for that will inspire you to get behind our brand because cody's, great, but he's not that different than say Jeff Jarrett was perceived in TNA. He was a WWE guy who wasn't credit quite a top guy, and he's got a prove to us that he was under pushed and I think people watch Jarrett and thought, maybe, maybe not like he didn't wasn't just while what was Vince thinking, not pushing him at a stone cold that wasn't the impression. I'm not sure cody's going for that Kenny. They need to be. That break. Okay. I he has a higher ceiling and Saturday's beginning of that yet Kenny almost has to be the Goldberg of, of that promotion. And I don't say that to compare AWS WCW. But I say that to say that Goldberg in WCW was the one guy that was a WCW superstar would know WWE ties. And in that era, people would say, you know, I would be watching rob, but they don't have Goldberg Goldberg was a guy that did say what do you like better WWE or w w well, I mean, I liked WWE but they don't have Goldberg Goldberg Goldberg, there were people in the country who said Goldberg is the best wrestler, and not just the hardcore wrestling fans mainstream people who just kind of see wrestling, when it's on cable TV new. Okay, we'll go. Bergh's my guy. Kenny omega has to be that guy. Kenya. Megan has to be a guy that even the most casual of casual wrestling fans, the most sort of mainstream non-combat. Title. I watch when I watch, maybe once a month wrestling fan has to know this fall when AWS on TV in order for you WBZ success. I think that they have to have this feeling of man WWE is good, but they don't have Kenny omega in, in order for WBZ successful. I think I think that's very well put, how when you look at the top tier of AWS it stands now setting aside Jon Moxley dean Ambrose in that possibility. And maybe he becomes a distinct possibility by showing up at the twenty one man casino battle, Royal and winning and being the top contender for the title, we'll say. But actually both with him or without him. How, how does the top tier? Look in terms of wrestlers who, who fans can look at in the singles, heavyweight title, depth chart because you've got Jericho omega Cody. Possibly dean, like we're how how much deeper, do they need that to be when they launch on TNT? 'cause I, I mean I like Christopher Daniels, but I don't think he's a top six heavyweight guy in a nationally televised company and really need more probably need to be eight to ten deep in that regard in terms of wrestlers that fans. Look at it and go that person could be a world champion. And I would pay to see them in a main event. How are they doing with this roster? We see coming up Saturday night, so far and beyond that, what's available. It feels like something that's going to be crucial on Saturday and going forward. But I think you have to get the feeling on Saturday of new stars being made ill. You have to feel like you know who eighty w is investing in and it's not just guys who are ready had that name built in. Because when you go down that list, let's be honest. I mean, Cody his at this point. You know, a lot of the reason cody's name is what it is today is because of what he's done since he's been in WWE, but. Part of it is because he's done it since he's been in WWE, meaning that part of the allure of Cody is that he's accomplished all this any left WWE, so WWE is a is a hugely strong part of the story, and the allure of Cody, you know, obviously Jericho became a main event star in WWE Twi. He's a main event star the reason he's still a main event star is because he's really good. But the reason that he is on a macro level a main event stars because of what he didn't WWE, you know, the box. I don't think that you would you were talking more about singles, but the bucks, I'm sure we're going to be a high attraction for a w. But again. They're not quite homegrown. Because a w success is based on the success that the young bucks already had, I think that you need to Kenny omega as is who he is. It's we just described Kenny omega, maybe even less than Goldberg is, is staying for aid w as in, he's the foundation of that company because he doesn't have the baggage that the other guys, do, I think that we have to leave double or nothing with a clear road to somebody entering that main event seen that doesn't have that kind of WWE baggage with them in my opinion. Get to old navy one day only today. Tanks are on sale, just two dollars for women girls plus teaser, just four dollars for adults three dollars for kids. Hurry. It's today, only old navy and old navy dot com. 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Wrestlers who have been discarded or overlooked for allow for different reasons and they're trying to utilize them in a good way. Some of them are accessible to AWS some art, and then you have a lot of prospects signed to W W B developmental, both in the UK and the United States. It's there's a lot of talent out there. But WWE annex annex t UK developmental in general, a lot of them are locked up there and just enough are locked up by our wage that it is a thinner field. And I think that's one of the one of the challenges but if they're really good at scouting and they have the production values to as you said at the top. That answer create stars gift fans a sense. There's this is a wrestler worth following on a journey to the top. They've got charisma. They can tell a really good story in the ring, you want to hear them, talk, and you care about whether they win or lose in achieve their goals, if they can bring along three or four wrestlers in that way, they're fine. I'm also curious about the tone all in was all over the place just all over the place. And so do they choose a tone, and what is it? You talk about the term sports entertainment. What WWE frames how they look at how they frame, their shows and presented as something other than a sports like event AWS so far, as put in press releases and spoken about we want metrics statistics. Analytics, and we want a more sports, like vibe, they I thought in a strange way used the term legitimacy a couple of times in the press release. Whereas kind of tilt my head going. Are they trying to sneak in the match are going to be really can't really mean that, but I didn't I thought the word the use of the word you have to be careful on. But I think what they meant was it will feel more like more legitimate sport, as you watch it. There'll be a different vibe. Do they achieve that on Saturday? And is that what a lot of pro wrestling fans want? We'll talk about twenty four seven and we'll talk about WBZ's approaching in a moment here, and that works in some people want that there isn't one style of wrestling that works for everyone. Is that is that what they go for on Saturday? So we'll see. And if it is do they do it? Well, and then Sam if they do it, well, is there a big niche? Or is that sort of contradictory big niche, but is there a big audience of people who wanna love professional wrestling, who aren't getting the vibe from WWE that feel that, that experience that are waiting in the wings to just swoop in and support enthusiastically? What Awa does, if they present pro wrestling with a more sports like immersive feeling you know, I think that more athletic. Maybe you know, I don't think there's any wrong with having a strategy of presenting matches in a more athletic way. But I think it'd be interesting to have a more sports like feel to it. But at the end of the day, when you talked to wrestling fans, most of them, don't watch sports, you know, and there's a reason for that. I don't think and maybe this is just me talking because I'm not a sports fan. I'm a wrestling fan. And I don't e-. I don't even personally see the correlation between sports and wrestling. Like I think you could say pro wrestling is a sport. I don't think that I don't have a problem with people that say that, but I don't know. I can only speak for myself, I suppose when I tell you that I believe that wrestling is at its best when compelling stories are being told and, and you kind of lose your suspension of disbelief that way, I don't think that filling out a scorecard, if that's what people are talking about is going to make it feel more legitimate. I think the legitimacy happens when you feel like there is something that needs to be settled in the ring. You know, I think that when you talk about the attitude era, for example, I think that, that was, maybe the least, sports like period of time in wrestling arguably so, but the stories were the most compelling, you wanted to see stone calls. Evanston, get his revenge. You wanted to see the rock go in there. You wanted to see what the undertaker in the ministry of darkness. We're going to do next. You want you cared about who the higher power was. That's why you would tune in every single week. I don't think the you're ever gonna get enemy fans that are just MA plans to turn on a wrestling show for the sports aspect of it. I think you might get an MA fan to turn on a wrestling show. If there's just an amazing story being told but you could say the same thing about Westworld, you get an EMMY fan to turn on Westworld because, oh my God. There's this incredible story happening and you can't miss this, I do think there's room for more athleticism, you know. And I, I understand that. And I think that, that may be the focus, but I think what's going to be key, and what's going to be different, which should be different in my opinion between all in, and double, or nothing. Is that all in? In was this kind of celebration and call manasian of everything that the guys in the elite had been doing on the internet for the last couple of years, double, or nothing is where we start telling stories that are going to be compelling enough that I feel like I need to dedicate, another two hours of my week to wrestling over on TNT every single week. So I put up a Twitter poll while you were talking, and we're gonna monitor this. Are you a pro wrestling and fan of team sports? Yes. Equally. Yes. But more wrestling. Yes, but more sports or no, not a sports fan. So we'll track this and see how it goes 'cause I want to clarify again, I'm certainly not saying that people who consider pro wrestling a sport are Ron. And I'm not saying that wrestling is just entertainment. I'm saying that sports entertainment as I said earlier has become a genre into in of itself. I'm more talking about the MMA wrestling crossover the football baseball wrestling crossover and I'm sure that there are people who are fans of. Both. I just don't think that it, it feels the same bucket for them. Yeah. Yeah. And I'm not running the poll to like go see you're wrong. I genuinely curious like what response we get. We certainly have people talk about sports on, on my shows and emails and people, I know are fans of both, but I I'm kind of curious what kind of I mean, if people follow whatever to hover you wanted to rip the result of a Twitter poll for at POW torch followers? We'll find out what they what they say that said, there's the flipside, they ate all in was many things do do they on Saturday, send a message? We're not gonna be that, that stodgy were presenting ourselves like an MA sporting event, and we're taking ourselves very seriously. And I'm not even I'd say that mockingly. I'm not even saying I don't believe there might not be a good market for that. There might be if you do it well for people who, like sports, if you can make every, every MMA style fight with pro wrestling style competition exciting. Unlike Emma may where it sorta hit or miss and. You give that and you have personality people care about, I think that could work that said being the elite is not that. So how much of Cody and the bucks as much as they overlap, but they also have different creative use. When I knew Cody last summer, it was like, well, the bucks, have this Iraq wrestling that I'm not really into, and I think he was talking more about the in ring style than the personality projection, but we could find out there's a vision that AWS is going with. That is just a different version of, how you use the term sports entertainment that, that we're going to be younger and cooler and a better version of what Vincent man is doing in our mind that would be their argument. We're going to do a better job of it, but we are not going to put ourselves out there as a present ourselves without some irony without some winks and nods and and comedy. But we think we can tap into an audience that, that will we think we get our audience better than Vincent, man. That's seventy three years old. Does with some of his humor that Corey graves has to outright make fun of on the air? So maybe that's what we see. And that's what I'm excited about Saturday night too is they'll I think they'll tip their hand in terms of they picked a direction. And are they going with it in which one is it? Yeah. I couldn't agree more. Yeah. I think that I would expect there to be some kind of combination of the two because in all the times that I've done interviews with them. It does feel like Cody and the young bucks, have these sort of opposite points of view of how pro wrestling should be presented. And I think that they did find actually kind of a nice middle ground at all in at no point that I feel like it was too much on one or the other. But when you're talking about building a whole promotion, you know, I think that you do have to kind of figure out a little bit where the focus is going. But at the same time there is there's room for everything as we've seen in the past with promotions. Absolutely. Now is the chance to use reliable energy to grow your money with the dominion, energy reliability investment. 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Fanta, progressing in sports, seventeen percent said, yes, a fan of both, but more pro wrestling thirty five percent said, yes, there, a fan of both, but more sports and four percents say they're not a sports fan. So really interesting. Yeah. Yeah, I honestly couldn't predicted that I mean, I didn't know either way really thought that hard about it other than I know our mo-, I would say, most people, I know but not all like sports and pro wrestling who, like pro wrestling, but I also since I like sports, it's more likely I'm going to hear from people talking to me about, you know, so. Yeah, so it's gonna be interesting. And I don't even know that, that should dictate what Awa doesn't anyway. You know how many I mean they should do what they think, has the largest audience, and that they are that they can most offensively present. Right. You can't be something you're not and that in, and that's as you say the Cody and bucks having kind of different. Visions for things I I'm curious about the honeymoon period. If it's long over or still going on. But when there is a sharp creative difference between them and how that gets handled in, you know is. Kenny omega. A deciding vote or does he create a tie with Cody on creative matters with the bucks if they disagree. So I mean yeah, it's fun to have it to talk about speaking of fun to talk about. The twenty four seven title MC fully walks out on Monday reveals the belt a lot of conversation. All week about it deservedly. So it's, it's for all these guys that you almost never see on smackdown. That's what the titles foreign clearly, we're not the way that they've presented it, they're not going to have even upper mid quarters, unless you consider gender Hultman gender Mahal still that you're not gonna have upper mid Carter's going for this title. You're going to somewhere else who are upset that they're in this category. Advances is maybe Matt hardy or gender. We'll feel like hey, wait a second. But that said, it's, it's a it's something new that Vincent traduced into the show that is polarizing, but a conversation starter. And one of the key, you can. Be for it or against it conceptually, and then you can be four or against how it's being executed a Sam, what do you think of the first question, are you Ford as a concept to give the undercard wrestlers that fans weren't really taking seriously in part because they weren't presented? Seriously? A chance to just sort of have some fun in kind of a separate slice of the universe. That doesn't overlap much with the more serious presentation of Seth than AJ. Brock and then do you like the execution of it so far after two days? Yeah, I mean, I think I'm definitely for it as a concept. I think that generally, I mean, the people that I feel like I've heard from in talk to always look back on the WWE hardcore championship fondly, and they look back on it as the twenty four seven title. I think that most people associate that title with the later run with crash, Holly and defending it twenty four seven and not. The, the sort of earlier, Mick Foley, Al snow, hardcore Holly road, Doug years. You know, I think it's strange. The criticism that it's getting because I almost feel like it's getting criticism because it's not the hardcore title, but it is the hardcore title. You know there there weren't the hardcore title matches when the hardcore title was twenty four seven we're not good hardcore matches like they aren't when you go back, even if you're a fan of hardcore wrestling, which, you know, I mean when I was in high school, I loved Japanese death match stuff. I love DC w at the time I loved all that stuff have the CW came out in like ninety nine or two thousand or whenever it came out. I was I bought their first VHS tapes. I loved all that stuff. And there are great hardcore matches, and there are great no-holds-barred matches that WWE is done. But none of them are twenty four seven rule hardcore title, matches people like that title for the entertainment value of it. And that's why I like this one, and that's why I think people are. Are going to like this one. I don't think you can point to a segment in the last two days that has been devoted to the twenty four seven title that has been bad. They've been entertaining to me. I love the there's an inclusion of social media and Twitter videos, and I think that in terms of the sort of this is for the lower mid card guys that don't have anything else going on. TV thing that may be true, but I think that because a lot of segments of TV are being devoted to this thing at least right now. And our truth has had a great week because of that title because of what he's gotten to do on TV and because of what he's done on social media. I think that, especially with the idea that you would think that this title is gonna switch kind of constantly it gives a lot of people who normally don't get Mike time. Don't get time to have a storyline built around them carte blanche to do whatever they want to get on Twitter and get people interested to get their, their time on TV and go, you have give people a reason to root for them. Them for the first time in a while. I just I, I don't see the negative in this thing yet. And I think the, the negative is the that the presentation is, is so comedic and can you on a show? Have these kind of zany imagined Benny hill music in the background on? I watch these shirt, and that's good. That's okay. Right. I'm not saying that judgment when you talk about the hardcore title that was twenty four seven you think about crash Holly in the discovery zone. And you think about the main street posse at the airport, and you'd think about, you know. Brisco and Patterson waiting into one was asleep, so they could pin him. And those are segments that are look back on fondly. Some are ready style on your families to do this. Get to old navy today. All t's all tanks all shorts all swimwear and all dresses are on sale for an incredible fifty percent off. Can't wait to wear via online and pick it up in store for free today. Get all the TS tanks shorts swimwear and dresses. You need for nonstop, summer, fun, all at fifty percent off now at old navy and old navy dot com. Hurry ends Monday. Valid five twenty four to five twenty-seven excludes active licensed men's packaged flag teas and tanks and in store clearance. Get to old navy. One day only tomorrow, all jeans are on sale for fifty percent off. That's right. All jeans are fifty percent off for just one day. Hurry. It's tomorrow, only at old navy and old navy dot com. Valid five twenty five excludes in store clearance. I got an Email this week. And I think I read it on the flagship yesterday. With Bruce Mitchell where it was. Hey, if this gives if, if Vincent man, keeps this separate and it's it keeps it's clear. There's this sort of sub universe of wrestlers going after in a comedic way, this sort of absurd notion that there's a camera following the champ everywhere, and he can get attacked and with one fleeting blow, there's a referee their count one two three. And then we can't wait to see what they do next. And it's sort of fun. And we don't take it seriously. If that is, is on the same show. But separate from the other stuff it that, that is that is the draw ultimately for pay per view. And for big matches. You're not gonna headline or sell many network, subscriptions based on anything having to do with what the twenty four seven title is. But it's part of the mosaic of what Vincent man wants his sports entertainment to be. This isn't that different than what the B team were doing when they had TV time you can pick your comedy figure that Vince played around with for a while before getting bored, or he felt it ran, its course this is just another way of presenting that part of the show. We've seen those raw cheat cheats before there's like be sure that you have at least X number of comedy segments. And, you know, they, they want the show to be sprinkled with different things for different types of fans or different moods that they want people to experience throughout the two or three hours. This is a legitimate way. If you believe in that formula to present that slice of what Vince McMahon has always wanted as part of a show. This is the new Santino pick your or Vickie Guerrero screeching and doing her thing, but it's, it's separated from what Seth is doing or from what Roman is doing, and so that can be a good thing, whether you like it or don't like it, it can be good in. The sense that it's quick, and it's not getting in the way or interfering in, if you tuning in, for the more serious stuff. Yeah. I mean it's fun. You know, it's okay for wrestling to be fun. You know, I feel like this is almost become a thing where people who, like to watch wrestling, and complain about it. This is perfect for you. This is something I it's built to complain about if you want to complain. But if you wanna watch his show and have a good time watching it, there's nothing. That's not fun about these segments. And as far as the network goes on a year, right? I mean, I'm sure this isn't designed to sell networks. This is not keep in mind. Okay. They announced that a new title was coming twenty four hours before they introduced a new title. It's not like they've asked us to make this tremendous investment, right? And build up into his opinion and do this whole big thing. And then suddenly, it's not they just said, hey tomorrow, there's going to be a new title. Oh, that's interesting. And Mick Foley is going to be there to present it. So you would you would you felt better if it were this prestigious beautiful looking aesthetically. Pleasing title, when Eric Bischoff came out and just announced. Hey, here's the new world championship, and then just handed it to triple, h that had a lot of do criticism to it because as a serious title, that's not something that's there for entertainment purposes. But let's say what of WWE decides like you never know turn on the network at seven pm because before raw, we might break into the network and do a live following the twenty four seven champion, you know what, if what if there was room on the WWE network to break in and at times, the WWE is not even on TV have a couple title changes. You know, is that going to sell a million networks descriptions, no but is that an extra appeal to watching the live function of it? I think so. Yeah, the DDAT propulsion has been doing. They are men title along these lines. And they've been doing funny things with. Title changes being shown on YouTube and a cat winning the title because it fell asleep on top of the champion interrupt showed up and counted to three and like fans thought that was awesome. Right, right. Oh, that's the thing. You know, I'm not I think there's mixed feelings. I think it if there's a backlash against the twenty four seven title, it's I think, in some ways, it's not necessarily from some of the voice, I'm hearing. It's not necessarily the concept that division the title or its presentation. But rather a sense that Vince McMahon, they've got frustrations with the product in this seems to be a diversion or trying to distract us or not not addressing the real concerns that people have with some of the things that are going on with the booking that has led to a stretch of record low viewership numbers and a stretch of time, unlike twenty seventeen to twenty eighteen twenty eighteen to twenty nine hundred there's been a severe drop off in viewership twenty seventeen to two thousand eighteen there was a growth on smackdown. There was a, a steadiness to what had been a dropping rating. Something is driving away. Hundreds of thousands of people. We can point to a lot of different things, especially this fall that led to that drop off, and they haven't gotten back, but the levels are lower. If you're one of those fans who's teetering who's who's upset for whatever reason it can be on our stuff. It can be behind the scenes business stuff. I think there's some fans who are like I was just waiting for something to, to, to give me a reason to stick with WWE or to be more through siesta about them, and I feel like this isn't addressing my concern. So some of that is, you're taking it out on the twenty four seven title, because it's not addressing what they're looking for another part of the backlashes. I think people wanted to be called the hardcore title, not at twenty four seven title, and they want to see the weapons. And the apparatus be brought back as part of it, and they see it as kind of a PG version of it. I don't think that's realistic in. That's not a concern that I have about this. I like twenty four seven better than hardcore for a variety of reasons in part because hardcore. Wrestling, isn't it wasn't meant to become been sort of co opted it and made a mockery of it. And so I think this is a little tour to the spirit of, of the title in the times. So I think a lot of that's going on too. I think it's kind of complicated. Yeah. I mean, and I get that. I get the idea that okay? We we're, we're almost constantly looking for something big that's going to feel like you know, I hear you. And here's what we're changing. And when you get presented something that's a minor thing. You feel like this is getting ignore, but I think that's fair to, to the twenty four seven title, quite frankly. I think that you have to take that for what it is. And go okay, this is just kind of a fun thing that's going to be added. This isn't being looked at as a cure, all because I certainly don't think it is. Yeah. And as far as the hardcore stuff goes, I mean, it's twenty nineteen, you know, you have to realistically know that not only now and it's not because, you know, WWE is PG in my opinion, it's because cultures changed. You know, I think in general, a mainstream audience has far less of a stomach for what was going on twenty years ago, and I think that the knowledge that we all have of the health of a human being has made it. So we don't want to see some of that stuff. It's one thing to break out a kendo stick in and make an impact that way. But if you go back and watch some of these hardcore matches that I liked so much when I was young you understand the damage that's actually being done now. And, and it's not pretty I think that's a great point. Friday nights Sunday brunch. It does not matter facts are facts, Queen every. Cigarette can cut your life short by then hearts, believe then tapped, Abana from all this free life, freedom to be to back. Oh, free. Get to old navy. One day only today. Tanks are on sale. Just two dollars for women and girls plus teaser, just four dollars for adults three dollars for kids. Hurry. It's today, only it old navy and old navy dot com. Ends tonight valid five twenty four select styles. Only limit five tanks. How do you feel about the way that the announcers being are reacting to what's happening and how they're talking about it? Like I take, for example, like what they did with use os in the revival and you had Michael Cole this week kind of defending it. Hey, that's locker room fun and Corey graves goes, well, it's funny, and then you turn six and it's like, wow that kind of resonated with some fans in terms of how they felt about the Usoz picking on mocking the, the back shaving and they're like it's funny. If you have a juvenile sense of humor are they finding a better a better more comfortable tone with twenty four seven if they want to get that kind of zany nece on television? But like I said, it's segmented and that it's not something where you almost the announcers, almost feel like they have to apologize for it or get in a debate about about the merits of it even being on the air. Well, I mean, I think that, that's one of the values of having Corey graves at the commentary table was that excuse me, a lot of times Corey graves, the stuff that he's saying it feels like he's not being a wrestling commentator feels like he is being a voice for something that a lot of people are seeing and feeling but isn't being represented. It's almost like okay. Let's puncture, this bubble for a second and understand. We're not living in bizarro world where adults. We all see what you see. And the fact that Corey graves kind of skirts on that he'll space means that if you're enjoying it, it works, because you're like, well, of course, no fun, Corey graves is going to take a dump on it. But if you're looking at it and going, well, this is ridiculous to have somebody. There saying, yes, this is ridiculous is going, okay. If we're all in agreement, then at least we can all be looking at it from the same lens. I think that I think that that's actually a good thing that somebody like. Corey graves is there. But I also think it's a unique perspective. Like I don't I don't think that. The when when the lead play by play guy, for example, if that person were to do that. And it almost starts to take away a little bit of credibility, which is why I don't really see that happening. But Corey graves being the guy to do it like I said, works on both levels for, for the reason. I said it did. The ratings. Ratings through this week, two years ago for raw two point two point two one, the rating one year ago for raw two point two five so the ratings through this point a year ago, we're above where they were the year before this year, it's down to a one point eight two. So a significant drop off, what are what are you seeing since wrestlemainia with the superstar shakeup the wildcard rule? The return Obrock Leser going with Kofi and Seth as lead baby face champions, the introduction of the twenty four seven title add to that list, that, you think it is an example of Vincent man, taking some positive steps to try to bring some of those fans back that left in the fall when there was a out of in unusually sharp drop off in viewership for that season. I mean, I think that there's certainly. Emphasis being put I think a lot of faith that's being putting Kofi Kingston to tell you the truth. And I don't know that people would have predicted that would have happened. You know, I think if you look at everything that's happened. Specifically since the wild wild card rule was put in place. Covy Kingston has been putting a lot of positions to sink or swim. And he swam every time I mean he's been phenomenal in my opinion in the last two or three weeks. And it's whether it's in his promos, I actually I loved him coming out. I thought in my opinion, the segment on raw where it was Kofi Kingston Seth Rollins and Brock Lessner. I was invested in Kofi Kingston in that segment. Yup. More than anybody else in the ring, I was live. And it was this little subtle thing. And this is why Brock listener doesn't get enough credit either. I think Brock listeners is, is great actually, because Brock listener covy Kingston came out. He had the title on and he's talking. And Lessner does this thing where he. Points in him. And he looks at them up and down. And he says, look at you and he didn't say that into the Mike he said it felt real nuns felt like here's this bully going look at you, you can't be championed. I mean look at you and it's the stuff that people have said on the internet. It's people saying, covy Kingston needs to be less goofy. Now, it's Kofi Kingston needs to not be so brightly colored and Kofi Kingston, like superstar Billy Graham saying he needs to get bigger and get an steroids or whenever Billy Graham said like that ridiculous stuff that clearly is not true is being an in that one moment Brock listener, embodied it. And I feel like Kofi Kingston when he shows up on raw he takes the spotlight. When somebody else shows up on smackdown. He won't allow them to take his spotlight. When Kofi Kingston does these matches, whether it was the Daniel Bryan match, whether it was all the matches all all the shows that covy Kingston is headlined, the Rosin, the smackdown. In the last two or three weeks. I've sat there and I'm going. Wow. I can't believe that this guy has been here for eleven years consistently on TV. You know, there's been very little periods when Kofi Kingston has not been on TV regularly. And I'm still getting these feelings watching Kofi Kingston matches especially when, you know, they're probably not going to be a title change, and you're still sitting there going, I'm so invested in this Kofi Kingston match right now. And I just think that he's knocked it out of the park, every time and I feel like especially because this whole rain, I don't believe was going to happen before the elimination chamber. That's something, Vince, McMahon has done that, Vince, McMahon has sat there and said, look, I wouldn't have predicted it because quite frankly, you can't vote Vincent man for not predicting it. Because if you and I had a conversation in January. I don't think we would have sat there and advocated for Kofi Kingston to be in the position that he's in right now. Nobody. Saw this coming it happened, organically, WWE responded like lightning Kofi, Kingston is taken advantage of every single opportunity. That's been presented to him in knocked it out of the park, every time and as Kofi Kingston is hitting these home runs. Vince McMahon is giving him more at bats, and I think that that can't be understated. I think that there was a time when maybe covy Kingston, regardless of how well he was doing would not be getting the opportunities that he's getting now. But there's this openness with Kofi Kingston for whatever reason where it's like, okay if you're going to keep succeeding, we're going to keep giving you platforms to succeed on, and that sort of symbiotic relationship, I think long term may be healthier than anybody realizes, I think, in eventual Brock listener, Kofi Kingston match is going to be enormous, and that's so crazy. Yes. Because a few years ago, Kofi Kingston was the house show opponent for Brock listener that they would. 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I am living in constant fear of Kofi Kingston's time being up and it's time to move onto the roommate of enters, and I think Kofi is delivering in terms of crowd reactions everywhere in every haunt ext, whether he standing in the ring with Seth and Leser and not disappearing. But instead, standing out like you said or coming out for the second or third time on his show and still getting the biggest pop he is there is a bond there with fans and we talk about, you know, Brent heart worked his way up from the take teams to the icy title level, and eventually to the world title level. But well he's just a placeholder because we need to send a different image that the HOGAN steroid scandals are happening and fans rejected lex Luger, and we've got people advocating events the fans were like Brett, so prevents, it goes, we'll go with them. A little while. But and then all of a sudden it's like, hey, we even Vince was like this guy worth building around for a while will is in every, every journey is different. But there's some are more similar than others. In Kofi had that, you know, he's been around a long time. And, and I think there's always been a sense with fans going back to that Randy Orton Kofi match at MSG that he, he's always had something more in him than what he's gotten, and people are rooting for him behind the scenes, which by the way helps I mean, that comes through sometimes sometimes you wonder why did that push get derailed? And it's because the guy was a jerk behind the scenes or he didn't build relationship. Actual real relationships with people people who can derail a career or a push with a snide comment who have some influence behind the scenes or Randy Orton. You know, can say something to a writer your your doozy. Ask about that guy. It can be an aside. But that writers, like, ooh, oh, I must be wrong because that's Randy, and also, and there's less attention given to a wrestler little stuff like that. Can. Kofi has everything going for him in that regard. He's got specifically reindeer and has its back all these wrestlers are genuinely happy for him. So it works on air with fans but it's also working behind the scenes with, with who Kofi as a person and people wanting him to succeed. I, I want Vince to ride this as long as it deserves to be ridden and might be a year and a half, not just two more months. I don't think it would be wise. If Kofi is still all the things that you just described him if Kofi is still all those things, and he goes into a storyline that leads to Roman reigns, in a WWE title picture with Kevin Owens, or Randy Orton, or whomever. I think fans will be mad upset about that. I think I think this is where Vince has to go even longer than he might have originally anticipated, which might include Kofi being the WWE champion on that first episode on FOX. I mean I agree with you one hundred percent. Now the only the only way I could see getting around. I don't I think that I honestly, think that in the wildcard rule will help I think that there may be consideration half that has to be made in my personal opinion. The maybe you have Roman reigns. Take the title off. Seth instead of take the title off Kofi Kingston. If you want Roman reigns to be that guy. And I'm okay with it at this point, you know, I think that Roman reigns. If you listen to crowd reactions that he gets now they're good. You know, I think that, you know, people people still support Roman reigns. And we'll continue to support Roman reigns for some time. But I think you're right. I think that if I don't think people will support Roman reigns at the expense of Kofi Kingston, you know, I think that, that, that is the delicacy that you have with delicacy. That's not. Don't take it out on the delicate nature of what you've got with Roman reigns. Is that it's like okay people will continue to support him. But who is at the expensive? And right now, it hasn't been that you haven't pushed him into a title picture. So it hasn't been at the expense of everybody I think that if he were to beat Seth Rollins. I don't think it would be the worst thing in the world for set rounds to be a bad guy for him and Roman reigns to have another rivalry. Like I actually think that that could be compelling. But I do think that if you're looking for a big, big, big name to have the WWE championship on smackdown in October, you could start smackdown in October with Brock listener cashing in on Kofi Kingston and winning the title. I think that if you do that. You have to have Kofi Kingston to have another Bill period. I mean, I have this fantasy of, like you know what you said playing this out long-term. And I think that the only way that you can have Brock listener successfully cash in that money in the Bank briefcase on Kofi Kingston is if next year. Wrestlemainia covy Kingston, finally gets a rematch with Brock listener, and we get another Kofi Kingston moment at wrestlemainia. I think if you do that, and you give him a second moment, and he beats Brock listener clean. No kick to the groin, you potentially in the main event main event of that show and Brock listener, and Kofi winds. Then I think you're dealing with somebody who you've got a confirmed main event forever star on your hands. If you're a fan of the Wade, Keller purposing podcast and Wade, Keller pro wrestling post shows have you checked out the POW torch daily Kesselman up. Yet, it's new for twenty nine thousand nine formerly known as the POW torch live cast. 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I don't think they're giving that feeling about Seth, but Seth does feel a little bit like day old bread. And Kofi is the fresh baked bread right now or pancake. I should've edited myself but I could resist. And I think it's hurt. Seth a little bit in the sense that, you know, with two champ with two baby face champions, coming out on top. I think people are more into Kofi right now. The crowd reactions dictate that it's not that sets not getting a good reaction. It's like Romans getting a good reaction. Not a great reaction. Obviously, the booze are less, but then without the booze, you're not getting the pushback from the fans who like Roman. So the response is just not as intense with Seth. It's not what it was three years ago this week when he came back from his injury and was a he'll, but the fans in New Jersey pop for him in a way that I was in the building for that. I haven't been in buildings with pops. Many buildings with pops that big. They were super excited to see him. But they wanted to be a baby face. And instead, he was cast as a lackey to the thorny, and they lost momentum that was, I think the moment in the that was the moment when Seth could have been a breakout star, and they missed it at a higher level. I think it so I think it's good for them as you say, to folks. More on protecting Kofi than Seth at this point. I think Seth unfortunately has been booked in a way where now isn't the time for him to be the difference maker. I think Kofi Kendy you can have both. But Kofi is the one that I would prioritize protecting. No. And I also think that we've been conditioned views, south Rollins a main event guy that even if he's not. And maybe that's part of the reason why it's not quite so special that he's in the main event because he isn't he's bene- main of player for time that sort of he's just a be player. Storyline does not apply to Seth. We also know that Seth Rollins. If he does lose that title, he'll be fine. He's going to survive. I mean Seth Rollins is that guy. He's I to me, there will not be a time in WWE that set Rawlins's not at the top of the card, and he deserves to be in that position for Kofi, there is this fear that when he loses that championship, it kind of goes in the way that Ramos stereo went, you know, it'll never like he'll always be higher than he was. And he'll always have that moment. But he's just not in the conversation anymore. I think that, that could easily happen with Kofi, and that's a fear. And I think that you brought up an interesting point right before that, when you were talking about the Daniel Bryan and punk feel. And I think that you're right, that covy Kingston does have that user made feel in the sense that we put him in the position that he's in. But I think that this one's kind of more special because there was almost ninety minutes there was, especially with punk, but a little bit with Daniel Bryan to there was this negativity. That was on some level associated with both of those people being in the spots that they were in, in the sense that, you know, in a very real and legitimate way, WWE didn't want them there. See 'em punk had to do the pipebomb promo had to threaten to leave the company had to do all this stuff, and that skirted on reality. Daniel Bryan, had to get all the fans in the ring and start the yes, movement and really. Do a protest. And that was was a Mirroring reality as well. I think the fact that covy Kingston, even though. Barriers were set up to make it so he did not get to wrestlemainia to get that championship match that instead of protesting it instead of being negative about it instead of of, you know, cutting shoot promos. He just went out and spent a month having amazing matches. I think that, that's your Dacian. It makes this even more sort of feel good. It makes it, it makes it more genuine. They at the time when it was happening. I didn't like the Kofi Kingston was not responding to Vince McMahon in a harsher way. But in hindsight, I think that they did the right thing because I think it really protected, the spirit of the power of positivity that the new day in covy Kingston have been all about in a way that is sometimes ironic, but is real life. And I think it makes it so that these guys are great for people that are our age because they're entertaining and. We really good. But also incredible for kids, you could put a new day cartoon on TV right now with, with biggie, riding unicorns and stuff. There could be a new day cartoon show there, if you couldn't name it Ohs, but you could market a serial to children like new day is this act, especially with Kofi Kingston in the position that he's in that appeals to adults and children. And does so in a really positive way, some are ready style on your families to do list, get to old navy today. 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Valid five twenty four to five twenty-seven excludes active licensed men's packaged flag teas and tanks and in store clearance. There's a little conundrum, a little handicap that w w puts on themselves by having the McMahon's be in or storyline wise and be corrupt leaders. For instance, they allowed Brock Leser to enter as the eighth man on very short notice. Paul tried to explain that a little bit on. Rod, we're feverishly, negotiating behind the scenes for this empty spot that we had nothing to do with creating, but he got to enter. After everybody had beat each other up for a while. But knowing if you're kind of in a cafe mode here, you know, listener knows money and make matches don't end early because there's too many wrestlers tipping ladders over for matched end soon. So he sits back for ten fifteen twenty minutes. He picks his moment when he thinks there's a lot of hurt wrestlers there's not, not a lot of them are going to be able to stop me, and I can walk out and stop someone else from winning. All he could have grabbed the briefcase, but that's a whole issue. Get into that, that awkwardness. The proxy music is mesmerizing. But nevertheless, in the McMahon's allowed listener to, to enter the restaurant had no chance repair or even be aware and come out late in the match when everyone wants to beat each other up for twenty minutes pick his spot, and grabbed the briefcase. So that's totally corrupt. There's no there's no actual fairness to that. And so the fans believe the promotion is corrupt one bright corrupt people, but they want you to compartmentalize instill love the company and loved the brand and want to support it. So there's all this weird contradiction because of those story they wanna tell and they count on people being able to tell the difference in triple h defended that he's, you know, whether he believes it or not. He also knows. He kind of needs defended for his own. Good. Anybody genuinely believe it that fans can tell the difference between, you know, social media. He'll and what people really are whatever. So all that is a foundation. My point is it hurts a little bit. The ability for WWE on smackdown or raw with wildcard rule to get fully behind Kofi in a way that feels genuine to have the machine, celebrate Kofi in the way that. A company that's run by good people and portrayed as being run by good people who have the fence, genuinely have the fans best interest in mind, generally follow up on that. And celebrate good people who as you said, have the positivity behind them. It's not really believable that the WWE brand on the TV aspect of it would actually celebrate Kofi. The feeling is they're against it, and it, it can help in the sense that it's him against the machine, but it hurts in the sense that I want I crave to see the smackdown announcers and production team. And yes, whoever is in charge to be celebrating that Kofi is having the success, and I feel like we can't have a full-fledged party. When the storyline is the people actually incharge are working against him. And actually tilting the Plainfield in favor of others. Like brooke? Yeah. I mean, personally, I think that whenever at this point, I think that they should have just shown fit family in the back and just saying, okay brought go out there. I think that fit feeling. Finley Royal rumble spot for everybody and just let him be the gatekeeper of the ring. And if people wanna go in finley's either gotta tell town they can go or they gotta stay, you know, I I'm down for that. Yeah. I mean, I'm kind of okay with it to tell you the truth, I, I don't know why. But. You know, I think that my triple h is, is right. I think that it makes it a little bit difficult. But we can as long as they're not doing the segments on television, like we can accept Stephanie, McMahon, for instance, as very positive brand ambassador, at south by southwest or San Diego comic con or one of the hundreds and hundreds of things that she does every year as long as it's not being done on Monday night raw, I think that that's kind of. Okay, you know. And maybe, maybe I'm not speaking for a lot of people who want to get lost in that sort of storyline world. And I'm a huge advocate of this storyline world as I always talk about with you, but I don't know. I'm kind of okay with it. And part of me doesn't want the entire organization, celebrating Kofi Kingston on TV. I don't mind the good guys do it. You know, I don't mind seeing that wrestlemainia ten. Ending when all the good, guys come out and put bread heart up on their shoulders, but I don't wanna see the bad guys putting Bret Hart up on their shoulders. And, you know, I don't mind hearing Tom Phillips, for example, say we've done it. Yeah. This is great and Byron Saxton that whole lead up to wrestlemainia I think was Bryant. Byron Saxton best work ever thought he was awesome getting lost in his support for Kofi Kingston. But, you know, I don't necessarily need to hear Corey graves lose his mind going over the top with happiness. The covy Kingston's in the position that he's in. No one, I am kind of thinking like if the if fans felt the company was run by by good people who had interest in an even playing field and wanted to reward good people for hard work and fair victories. There would be a there won't be a backlash. They're shutting down our throats, but there'd be a chance to enhance. What is happening with Kofi and not just leave it to Tom Phillips, just saying, gopher Kingston's coming out later, and then he comes out on the fans had this organic, cheering of the production values of WWE when they do get behind somebody and would oftentimes is the brand or wrestlemainia itself. Or the video, we see on TV right now about the performance center and how they put that together about the hugs and the KOMO artery behind the scenes at the PC, and I want to see that with Kofi like I'm going to see a video that makes me feel as warm and fuzzy about Kofi as w w is trying to make us feel about what triple h has done to foster this great work. Environment of the performance center, yet it feels contradictory. Why would the McMahon's allow that when they're trying to tilt the Plainfield in favor of Brock so he can it Kofi and Seth? Yes. Okay. You know, I totally get what you're saying. And I do think that, that would probably be a positive, you know, and maybe the answer is trying to figure out a way to have, you know, both maybe Vince McMahon is evil and Stephanie McMahon isn't maybe maybe Vince McMahon is an evil anymore, but Shane McMahon still is in Shane is the ones they're week to week, but Vince only has to show up when he's gotta keep Shane in line that if there was somebody in that power dynamic that we know has kind of top billing and his McMahon family members, so it doesn't have to worry about losing their job. There was somebody in that organization that was doing things on behalf of the fans versus you know, of course, we're talking cave characters. Yeah. I don't think that would be a bad thing if there was one person in the McMahon regime. Team that was kind of working against the McMahon's in working more towards putting out something. That was what the fans wanted to see. Yeah. Or the board of directors. Yeah. Assigned in pick your retired wrestler, who fans like it can it could be Mick Foley or Kurt angle type or whatever and they assign them or becomes for, for that matter where the board of directors, assigns them power, the McMahon's resent it, but it's the fancy, it has Justice because of some decisions such as allowing Brock to come out late in the money in the Bank, match pick his spot pick his moment, and steal it out from under everybody else, including by the way, some other heels who should be upset like drew McIntyre. You know, like in Randy Orton, like, wait a second. I trained for this. I, I plan for this. I had this whole game plan in mind and you allow that to happen, it just I mean, if the Boston Bruins in Saint Louis blues were suddenly confronted with the Chicago. Blackhawks showing up and go and coin flip. We get to replace one of you. That would not seem fair and fans would be disgruntled with, with the NHL. Don't is different, but you can't go you can't have it both ways in the sense that well, we're smarts, entertainment, and crazy things happen. But get really invested in what we're telling you about to happen, and spend weeks speculating, who's going to win money in the Bank among these eight, and then you can't very often then throw all of that out. And that's just for the sake of surprise shake things up in undo in a way that makes no sense everything that was built up and all the structure that was there. You can't do that, too often, or at least be aware of, of the cost benefit, and you can say the benefit of Brock walking around with that briefcase carrying it around, like a boombox tormenting Seth and Kofi. And being this. Personality is worth whatever. We lost in fan. Goodwill, the way we handled it and you can make that argument. But there was a price you pay, which is fans going cut next time around should I really get invested in the Royal rumble, if, if there's going to be a number thirty one and or the next money in the Bank were someone can just come in at the end and pick spot. You have to be careful you don't do that, too often, and you want to have some voices protesting, and you want to have the logic of dramatic entire using that as a motivational tool to go. I gotta do this myself now because, you know other other forces, but turn a baby face. But you know what? I'm saying. Yeah. Totally. Yeah. Let's update our sports bowl, and then I want to talk about delve Sigler with you. We're up to one hundred forty four votes. Seventy to simplify the seventy three percent say they're equal or more sports fan than pro wrestling fan. Nineteen percent say yes, but more wrestling sports in eight percent. Not a sports fan, so interesting. So dealt with comes back. I've been frustrating yelling too much. Everything everything is, is like he's auditioning for the lead in the high school plate, when it comes out there, I felt, this was along the same lines, the spotlight's on me, and now it's time for Shakespeare, I'm going to tear up, my voice is going to crack. And, and, and I'm going to talk about the woes of my of my journey through this through this difficult life. It's like that. It's just everything is just sort of too big and it's just like with golf like stop yelling. Go with the flow blended with the speed of traffic. Let some other things besides this dry, everything is so dramatic and over the top. So that's my kind of general critique dolphin it applies this week. That said there's this other side of it, which they had I believe, from all indications sort of a last second need for a challenging for Kofi Kevin owns didn't want to go to Saudi Arabia. Congratulations. I applaud him for that. And you don't wanna go there. And so we don't pay. You're ready didn't shape can you come in? So he shows up, and there's this story, it's perfect dolphin Kofi had these parallel tracks to good workers can't quite crack their way to the top fans like them Dolf complained Kofi stayed positive year and figure Dolf complained Kofi, stay positive and Kofi got rewarded. Well, dolph took his ball and went home. It's like a great story to play off of in for once I should say, just for one, but, like, especially in this case, I'm looking listening to on I could totally imagine this character, the air version, not the Zanny friend of MS on MS, and MRs unfortunately, but the guy on TV I can imagine his character, totally feeling what he saying. So I have some mixed feelings. But this, this largely worked for me. As a good use of dolph, and a good backstory for Kofi match. Yeah, I would agree. I wasn't sure about it. I like dove Ziglar interfering here. And once he got on the mic and explained what he was doing. First of all, I did think to beat down Downer's pretty good. You know, I did just anybody like that. I don't do that. Every they wanted that to have high impact. Yeah. And it felt like the audience was digging it. And it, it, it seemed affective and good. You know I thought that his explanation for it. I was with you. I said, this makes total sense, and what could have been kind of a one shot thing, like we need a match for this upcoming show. So we're going to have Dolf Ziglar there, I wouldn't be surprised if just based on the strength of the promo that we saw loan. I would not at all be surprised if this is something that extended past one paper of you. You know, I wouldn't be surprised if this was kind of Kofi story for the first half of the summer, and I wouldn't complain about it either. I don't think. Yeah. So is this sort of with dolphin chance to tap into something he can even beyond Kofi? A us as a as a motivation and a defining character traits. Sometimes that moment comes in a career where you've been searching for direction. And now you find. It's possible. I mean, I don't know because one would have to assume that at the end of the day at the end of this story, Kofi Kingston comes out, victoriously, one would have to hope anyway. So you know, I don't know. How this works after Kobe Kingston is proven, you know, it shouldn't have been. You could have been you. But it wasn't and IB you. So that means it shouldn't have been you. It should have been me, and it is me. You know, I'd not one hundred percents shore how that story plays itself out after dove as been proven wrong. Well to me, this feels like the Ziegler, he'll character could be go up against all ego, and you're not gonna leapfrog me, you know, whatever that shorthand for, I'm going to stop you from you coming to the main adventure that I always wanted to be your the new me. So I, I think you can look at the roster and come up with other feuds where he pushes where he tries to stand in the way of a baby face doing copious done, but at a at a lower more grassroots level, like kind of lia's at, at this point. Yeah. I mean, I would like to see Dolf come in and almost do the opposite of what Randy Orton was doing when he was young, you know, kind of the opposite of the legend killer. Yeah. Yeah. You know, Dov Ziegler is all the young guys that have buzz or maybe even goes down to annex t and starts taking out guys in annexed t like, you know, the guys that he did have this long period of time where he was the fans on crowned dude, serious WWE fans and they'd go dolph Ziegler's my favorite. I don't know why they don't do more with him baba. And that conversation doesn't really happened so much anymore. So for that to be the motivation, going forward for this character. And for him to take that out on younger guys that do have that buzz. You know, I think that I think Ali is a perfect pick like you just said, but I think Dolf Ziglar would probably have a bone of contention with, with Johnny Gargano. I think if you went down to annex, you know, sudden, and then, you know, the real treat is that you get to have this story and you believe it, and you buy it, and it makes sense. And then you get to see dump Segler versus Gargano more in. And in the case of what's coming up. We have this store. We were buying in, and then we get to see a main event match between dolph Ziegler and Kofi Kingston, it, it works. Yeah, I liked that. I liked the opposite of the legend killer idea for dolph, and he's the gatekeeper for, for the guys coming up in a lot of people have been an advocate for him going next. And as a way to just kind of find himself in his voice, but also it works at the stage that he's that because I mean it it was a long time ago. When in some ways, it feels like yesterday that he was the rising star, the next Shawn Michaels, and then he got the concussion and then just seems kind of derail the new get back on track. But that's a part of the story that that's part of his journey that should be part of his story today and how he's presented. And it absolutely works against the Gargano, Mustafa Elise in whoever, you know, that type of what a bone to pick dolph Ziglar would have with Valentin dream with Matt riddle with all these guys that are down there. Everybody is down there saying, these are the few, this is who you got like this roster is going to be amazing. Adam Kohl's, but, you know, you wouldn't want to turn him into a good guy. But I'm just saying like the roster and annex t is full of people that are so good that they're fans that are actually afraid of them being called up doing so well now you don't wanna you don't wanna mess with whatever secret sauce in the water in Orlando. But, you know, I think that, that, that would be actually that's a great idea for doll. What do you what do you like about this season of annexed so far? Matt riddle, obviously a getting a primary push. But what's jumping out to you right now about the kind of this, this new season of annex t post wrestlemainia takeover. Well, I, I like the, you know, we're getting to a point where the dust is being cleared. And I think that the undisputed era is more important than they've ever been. I love. What Yeoshua rise is becoming done in annexed. I mean, I think she's the perfect candidate to have that women's championship match with Chenab obeys ler at takeover and just the fact that she evolved, you know, seeing her on an XT TV this week. I just I, I think she's great. And I think that, you know, I was wondering what was going to happen, when they separated her and Kyrie saying, so Kyrie come to smackdown. And I think you know, as far as her annex t career goes, it may be the best thing that ever happened to Shirai. And I really like that. I feel like especially with the with the Matt riddle rivalry and moving forward. It feels like velveteen dream has reached a new plateau that he's reached another level. I think that it's only a matter of time before he's a serious contender for the next championship. You know, the fact that he beat Matt riddle, and there's no questions here about it. He beat Matt riddle any proved that look, I'm not the guy that you go and have a great match at takeover with, and then you win. I'm not that guy who brings you through a great match and then gives you a victory. I'm the guy who steals the show and then wins the match. And I think that Tyler breeze is a good opponent for him. Or is it kind of adult Sigler like situation, almost exactly think Ziglar would even heighten it? But I think that it's a good position for both guys. But I. That I think that we're really going to see a lot in the next few months out of velveteen dream. Yeah. Yup. Think about if eighty w had access right now to Matt riddle, and Adam Cole, just for instance, like how different people would feel about. I shouldn't say people feel but that would add a whole new another layer of depth that just shows how diversified right now. We're split up the talent is, but annex coal is just shining so much right now. Any, we haven't even seen punishment Martinez. Do anything yet. I love punishment. Martine. There's so punishment. Martinez is down there, Trevor Lee is down there. There's all these guys, you know, who knows what's going to happen with Robbie doing his brand thing, as a manager Stokely Hathaway doing his thing as a manager. Like there's so much going on down there that I don't even we haven't even seen on TV. Yes, I agree. I agree. We've got so much is coming up with double or nothing takeover, which is well, I say that lineup still filling out, but takeover generally doesn't have super deep lineups which is good. It's sort of an honor to be on a takeover show as opposed to everybody gets to be on it. But I like I like we haven't I made that point in January and caught a lot of heat for it. Yes, yes, I am. I'm with you. It is not it is not a it's not fourth grade participation ribbon track and field it is it should be an an honor to be on these big shows and you earn it and some people don't get it because that's what being a grownup is all about. So, but I okay, so a couple of things I could say, but velveteen dream is, is the you know, we're talking about not messing up Kofi like oh, please just yeah. Let's, let's ride this out. There's so much that's happening that is that, that just seems like a genuine, we've captured a popular baby face who fans like who can wrestle, but is it credible? All everything he's told a package. Velveteen dream is like the next. He's more the next Randy savage than the next goal dust. You know, like he's somebody can be so so big beyond even wrestling fans. He's the guy that, you know, when Randy savage was on, and Elizabeth came out in Randy did his ring entrance and the music and the robe, and then hit the elbow, the top rope. Oh, is like, okay, I'm a fan. I gotta watch this guy and velveteen dream can be that guy. And I so I'm hopeful. Vince, McMahon falls in love with him and gets him and features him in that way because I just haven't seen this kind of complete overall package. You can do it in the ring at, at a minimum threshold for sure. Like, but even if it was just the minimal there's enough else, going for, but he's above the minimum threshold considerably and the personality. And how how contemporary the personality is a little bit of Indra Janie, a little bit of, of pushing pushing the elements of certain people's comfort level in the way that gold us did. But also just super cool, and there's the prince element and he's a rockstar it's like all these things coming together. I am super excited. But nervous about him on the main roster. Yeah. I mean I'm I you know, I, I find myself, not think not thinking about it too much. You know, I kind of just take things for where they are. Now. You know, I. Feel like everybody has to be aware of the potential that dream has on the main roster. He's also super young. So it's like there's no reason to rush. You know, it's kind of nice to allow him to have a nice long run in annex, t. But he's also I mean as a person, you know, and I'm not I'm basing this on seeing him on tough enough and seeing him outside of the character. He doesn't strike me as the type of person that would accept. Failing, you know, he strikes me as the type of person that is going to make this work. I kind of have this undying faith in velveteen dream because he's made everything works so far. I think there is so much of him. I don't you know, in the presentation of velveteen dream that I don't think that he would allow. Anybody on the main roster to do anything catastrophic to it, and I think he has the ability to take whatever situation. He's in and make it work. A very short. Switch of topics to the other end of the spectrum not an up and coming star. But the, the legends undertaker in Goldberg. Do you expect WWE to push this with them in a different way other than mentioning it in passing or, or a video package? Is this going to are they going to have a presence on TV or is this really going to be just mentioned as pay? This is happening. It's a big deal because, hey, it's undertaker and Goldberg speaks for itself, and tune in Friday afternoon to see it in a couple of weeks or no. This coming Friday, whatever TV show it airs on what do you anticipate them doing? And what do you recommend? They do for what very much is sort of a weird out of nowhere. It's happening because Saudi prince wants to see a tight match. I mean, I think that this is the type of match that is it's, it's an exhibition and it sort of, you know, this is the depth of what the WWE is in, in two thousand nineteen, you know, and I think that it's, it's the best of both worlds for people that still want to see these sort of big names collide for the first time we can. See that for people who think that. Oh, the legends of had their time move over let the young guys shine. Well, the young guys can shine to because they're not dedicating hours and hours and hours of TV time to setting up a story that doesn't need to be there. I think this is for me. I think that it is just it's enough to say. Hey on Friday, you can tune into the network to watch undertaker versus Goldberg and I'm going. Yeah. I wanna see undertaker versus Gobert, regardless of, whether you're being critical or excited for it. I think most wrestling vans. Whether it's out of excitement or curiosity, aren't interested in seeing undertaker versus Goldberg. So I think the WWE is playing this one, right? That, that, you know, that it's not because it, it probably doesn't extend to anything beyond the show. A week from Friday. So why not just play it off as a as a as an exhibition? Yeah. Yeah. I mean, I think AAA chart feels that way. Kofi Dole's doesn't feel like they're giving away a match months in the making, but it could be as you say, the beginning of something that lasts even longer than we anticipated. Did you expect Brock listener to cash money in the Bank, and choose Seth and had that the match at super showed on? No, I, I got worried. It was going to be Brock and Kofi and super showdown to tell you the truth. But now that Kofi against dolph might if Brock's on the show is he against that? It's possible. But I think I think it would be more likely that he wouldn't cash in, and he would just get the match. If, if he has if he can just put him in the money in the Bank ladder match. I feel like fit Finlay should just allow him to have a title match. You know, I mean, I know that the automatic rematch rule has been done away with forever. But. Seth Rollins did hit him with a low blow. Brock listener was a very dominant champion. There is an argument for Brock listener to get another championship match. I don't think it would be out of the question to sit there and say, you know, the beast in the Bank wants a rematch with Seth Rollins and set said I wanna fight you right now. Okay. Well, what if I didn't cash him? What if I don't give you the briefcase you man enough to fight me. Then and then I would probably play it off that way. Because say what you want about Brock listener. There is a value in Brock having that briefcase there is a value in going into these paper, views and knowing okay. You ask, who's your favorite to win the money in the Bank match? You didn't realize that Brock listener was even a possibility now, literally, every pay per view, every WWE championship match at every universal championship match. Who do you think is going to win? Covy kingston? Rodolphe ziglar. Probably Brock listener. Who do you think's gonna? Win. Seth Rollins or barren Corbin probably Brock Glasner. You know, it's like, that's something that energy, I think can extend past a couple of weeks. Yeah. Yeah. No, no. I agree. I mean, the, the dark cloud of pending doom of Brock taking advantage of the money in the Bank, stiffs, which is virtually guaranteed to lead to victory as they tell us. And statistically, they back it up that I it would be surprising, if they catch, unless rock's only got one more match on us deal in Saudi Arabia, and he's done, and they just wanted to do have an excuse for Brock to get a title match right away and just do away with money in the Bank. Quick on the move on. I feel like knowing what little we know about Brock if he only had one match left on his deal. He probably say, all right. You got it money in the Bank. I did it goodbye. There is that, yes. But if you had him a check for half a million dollars to show money in the Bank to pull the previews this ladder for. Yeah. Okay. I'll go do that. Yeah. And then I'll still do Saudi Arabia for three million or whatever the heck I've just grabbing numbers on the air, although it might not be all that off. You never know with that with that situation. Final topic for you is the women's division pulse. Wrestlemainia. We saw Charlotte and Lacey and Becky and Bailey on smackdown. I felt like that match should have been saved for a bigger deal because I look at that I'm like, there's your top four and they're all together in one match, and it's not even billed as a main event. So that's my. I was sort of, like, oh man that, that, that's you build a pay per view around, that, if with the personalities involved because I'm optimistic about how Bailey is getting a second chance. She got that, that, that not guaranteed. But refreshing and reassuring crop response for her win at money in the Bank in the cash in that could have gone either way, based on crowd reactions to where recently that went well, and I think Lacey Evans says, Ben. A pleasant surprise in terms of how she's carrying herself. And then the advantage of working with Beckett how shows leading up to their match on pay per view really led to, I think, a, a match that went better than a lot of people feared for somebody like lacy who according to Corey graves we have no footage on. On your thoughts on, on the, the state of the women's division, and sort of what I'm deeming the top four. At this point, you know, I think it was an talked about this a little bit on my podcast this week as well. I think what they did with Bailey was great because I think that for the sake of longevity and for the sake of having two separate women's championships. It's an essential thing to get the one of those two titles off of Becky Lynch sooner than later, you know, I don't think that Becky can continue month after month to have two storylines going at the same time, I don't think for the sake of the championships to one person can be defending both of them, pay per view after paper, you have to pay per view. You know, I think if, if we call it straight, and Becky beats lacy, and then lacy helped Charlotte be Becky. You haven't really solved the problem. You know, Becky still wants a rematch with Charlotte and Lacey. He wants a rematch with Becky. So now you're going into another pay per view, potentially would the exact same problem that you walked into this one with not that it was a problem walking into this one but you know what I'm saying? To have Bailey come out and cash in on Charlotte makes it so, okay? Bailey and Becky your friends. We can take the title off. Becky, we can take the smackdown championship out of the story for the time being we can have Becky concentrate on defending the rod title lacy Evans's over here. Charlotte is always looming, but Charlotte's going to worry about Bailey. I think that it puts a spotlight on Bailey that she's needed at this point in her career. And I also loved that they added a lot of credibility, I thought to Bailey by pointing out on social media, and I think, on commentary as well that she was the first triple crown women's champion that she's the first woman to hold the raw smackdown and women's tag team championship, which then goes to okay. All of a sudden, I believe Bailey as this champion, and I think on, Ron smackdown I felt really strong seeing Bailey's champion, I wouldn't mind eventually and this is over the course of several months. Seeing Bailey turn heel. And maybe setting up some kind of Becky Lynch, Bailey situation where you know. Becky no longer has the raw women's championship, and she's trying to get the smackdown title from a bad guy Bailey, but that's down the road. And I think turning Bailey he'll when she's re Greek gained her footing as a baby face might seem like more risky, but it's going to be more effective, when we don't someone he'll when fans are apathetic about them or rejecting them. It seems like it can come across as an act of desperation, but if fans actually, like, we finally got behind her, and then she did this, then there's outrage. Exactly. Yeah. Yeah. So, so I like that, too. I do want to see them at a build up a little more depth on the women's side and find a way to tell yes, a more sports like story for somebody who is on a winning streak and that there's that, that next wave of challengers, and it can be two or three. It doesn't have to be six but two or three who fans are like make you James is having a career renaissance a little bit. She's on a hot street or ember moon, we've gotten to know her and. And she's winning, and she's expressing perations to test herself against the world champion. Tell that story for two, three four months, so that when you get done with these four new have something else waiting so that you don't burn out kinda. Sina orton. Storyline where you just keep going back to too much in fans sort of resent, something that should feel special. So I like to see brought up at meetings. Okay, we got this going on with our top four right now. And here's our long-term plan two to six months out. But I think we need to be we don't. Let's not put ourselves into a place where we have to hotshot someone else into relevance when these four of run their course. Yeah. Totally. Yep. Awesome anything else you want to bring up. I don't think so. I mean we could probably talk for another six hours. Not specifically, I suppose. Yes. So cool we'll wrap up. They're always fun talking with you a lot to lot that you want. It was fun to talk eight w with you at length to in addition to the next and main WWE topics so at checkout. Sam's podcast, everybody. Sean Wellman one of my favorite favorite and most trusted voices to cut through. Just kind of cut through the noise and get to the essence of what's going on. And I recommend you check that out on SAM's latest show and just subscribe in general, I Sam on social media. You are at not Sam easy to remember go. Thanks human. You can follow me on Twitter at the Wade Keller follow our brand at W torch, on Twitter, Facebook, and Instagram. That's at P w torch. 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Breaking Down the Ring December 8th 2019

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Breaking Down the Ring December 8th 2019

"You're listening to the PODCAST DETROIT visit. WWW DOT PODCAST DETROIT DOT com for information five seven again. That's Sean Illegal. Dot Com slash workshops or call. Five eight six two seven three seven one five seven in a week. That really has no build up to any type of paper view even though witch because God damage just less than fourteen days away. WWe decided on match is all you need need to know on top of that. You had some fun finishes in annex t you had the lexicon of less humping on in a e W and we're GONNA get into all that and more this week as we think You don't know what ought all year six JER. Ask Ask Hey. This is professional wrestler and professional podcast. There cold Kabuki Boom Cabana. My name is Jill across the smell. Chef scarlet foretell. What's up guys Lucian Bryan Cave? This is Ryan pro wrestling. Tease savvy or not listening to the art of wrestling wrestling. But you made a decent joints. Because you're listening you are now listening to and you're listening you're listening to the breaking down the down the ring breaking down the ring breaking down the road breaking down the Dow which true it's Tantrum Ladies and gentlemen you are listening to the most inappropriate pro wrestling show in the mother fucking world. You're listening to our breaking down the ring way way crew. Not Nick fucking back winkle and I am the all monkey one the mikey himself the guy who has no future because you can tell. It's not bright. He's not wearing shades. Mike Welcome back. Hey Man I appreciate you guys leave you wondering for me because obviously been John Cena this month because you can see me you can kind of see me as long as the lights are on. You can see me you smile or on the new iphone. The dark MoD was sought dog there. You are. You're available in all your HD glory. That's used Eric. I'm locked into new IPHONE. Yes you are. You are no longer a character that has to be purchasing. DLC It finally freedom. I I WANNA say. What's up the Devon Devon from three counts is watching and he says hi guys and then he talked? Seattle monitors says making Nikola. Hope you don't take the ASS whipping I'm about to put you on in this fantasy playoff personally He's the number one seed I'm the number four seed and mother fucker. WILL YOU NOT NAPA leave. Upset alert bid you bought to get Bam Bam. No sign got two. Who weeks though mobile Fokker this episode breakdown of rain brought to you by this green gang? Not The people that make it. Fountain spill counting crew down to poo round of to Loudon spew trout in Deuce Auro Bryant Right Because we're from Detroit is what we do with battle ramp chicken Tikka panel ramp Napkin. Lampkin got awesome rap CD right there. That was Kristalina during his eminem impression. But okay whatever so look man. There was a bunch of wrestling that happened this week. NWEA is going into into the fire pay per view which is officially done more buys than NWEA seventies pay per view with still a week to go. NAH The fucking show. Is this coming Saturday. We're going to talk a little bit about that. How the NWEA is still providing one of the better products? You know over everything else like look. There's a lot of talk about the Wednesday night wars. A W I T W whenever And how that's probably probably the best night of wrestling and I'll I'll agree with that you know because of the two products that are on it and while Nwea power to better than one NWEA power. Our is just like forty fifty minutes. You know real quick you got impact on access. Then that is going from eight to ten on Tuesday nights and it'll be dark and I looked awro different thing. It's they're trying to include it there. I guess what died. I'll be very honest. no-one watch right so anything uh-huh true. You always fighting for the dark. Just let it be known there. It is assumed but if you're looking for the overall term overall in fun in wrestling product it's going down for the most part that is your Wednesday night edges out Tuesday basically because at the time that they have you know sure you've got two hours of impact and you have the fifty minutes of Nwea but you got four hours in a w an exte- and they're really fucking going at it and it's Tuft to chew marching them both at the same time you they pull you each in their own way. Okay so much no even at that because then you're still only paying attention to one. Oh like this more so I'm looking down here looking fair the best way to watch it obviously is back back and that's we'll have to do that especially us when we have to talk about it. We can't just float through things but NWEA anyway is putting out a product that is a slow burn. It's great because is is not something that they are just shoving down your throats. It is something that Nwea is giving you in small doses. So it's not too much but at the same time you want more snack. I can't even say it's a light snack. 'cause Goddamn it's it's a fat appetite. I think it's I think it's like a small plate at a restaurant and I'm not talking the appetizer swamp if you go to one of those restaurants the fine dining restaurant and you feel amazing fucking plate of food but it's like four ounces and you're like Oh man I can totally have another entree of this. You know because it is that it is that good and it's something to wear their also being very smart with it on the the pay per view side of it into the fire is twenty dollars May Have just gone up to twenty-five but nine thousand nine hundred ninety nine for an NWEA NWEA. Pay Per view is what I paid. I paid for preorder twenty if you order of the day. I don't know if there's a day of or if you had to like you have to like tonight. Oh Yeah you're right. Yeah Yeah so so that. So that might be today that after this podcast fucking GonNa cost you twenty four ninety nine to watch an Nwea pay-per-view debut but that's still not fifty sixty dollars that aws asking you for That's either view honestly like it is something and and this is on TV so it's something that everyone can get but at the same time fight. TV is doing it for a w overseas. You got the bleacher. Report live and again forty nine ninety nine if I'm not mistaken for an A. W. Show so they're giving you get six six matches for into the fire including you're GonNa see the rock and Roll Express. Defend Their Ninth Tag Team Title Championship Rain. But it's something along the lines is of. It's just smart business. They're not forcing it down your throat. But at the same time they're giving you enough of a product that you WanNa see more toward twenty bucks. It doesn't seem like a lot for the show and not only doesn't that seem like a lot in this streaming age because everyone's like oh ninety nine a month I get just about everything you know. Oh Even A. WW In life is only nine ninety nine a month You got impact on plus nine nine. Yeah so all of these. I have no surrender. All of these streaming services are going at ninety nine and then you see this and smack in the face forty nine ninety nine just to watch A W pay-per-view four times a year. Now Okay let's say we're doing that. That's two hundred dollars. That's it's not the ten bucks a month that you're spending on one of the major networks or even the minor networks which equates to one hundred and twenty dollars a year that that is eight hundred fucking dollars more for four shows not a network of things yup four shows that. Let's be very honest. Where whelming helming not underwhelming not overwhelmed? whelming wellm they were there. Were parts of those things that you're like man that was a great match and then other partially why the fuck is what. What is this going on? We've had our differences with AWS enterprises for AWS. But it's not like you were sitting there going. I got got all of my money's worth for this paper view and that at the same time we're not the fan was VW. We Love Them. We're not talking them you know. We'll nitpick the things is that we nitpick but it's not like a w can do no wrong in our eyes like apparently it fucking happens now you know and we'll get into some of that but NWEA is giving you a product that makes you want more and gives you more at a decent price. It's like so let's go back to that thing you had that main plate in four ounces like fuck man I want more. And they're like you know to add on another play all you gotTa do pay half the price for second one and you're like what in and that's what people are doing. I got it Nikki. Said you're going to get a twenty dollars price. It's a smart by. They also entered the also interview. A podcast or podcast has a contest going on like pretty much answered that one we get a free. Yeah and the disabled you tell us what do you think the best match on a car. It will be an why and I did so. I actually entered that contest. Got A reply back and I'm one of the last three people people really and you can fuck in it. I have a possibility of wedded house. Man was three thirty three percent dog. That's way better than one four. I came in like sit next. Not Right now right like your future is bright to me. We understand why you're wearing shades. I got lucky finally manages done wants to go. Hey thanks man. Oh you lucky I meet. You never get lucky. You just know dude wants you anymore. You're so women you thinking about the star trams slow practice slow-burn and then burn. Then you'll it'll give them next course half off lead a little goose devon goes. Aren't you guys going to the pay per view or tapings this weekend and I was we worse. Many and I were going to go but unfortunately extenuating circumstances with my daughter and her schoolwork meant. I have to stay here so unfortunately we will not be attending the the pay per view or the tapes but we wish huge Well this and hopefully everything goes well to our good friend Maureen for NWEA. Obviously Lagaan and Billy Corgan as well those are your three men Laguna and Billy Corgan. Obviously get a lot of the spotlight. Because they're the you know the outside faces but the director of Operations Marine is a friend of ours she buster asks for that company to and I think that's our tree all right there. Oh you know what I'm saying by a social media of course because those are the inside people that know so you know and the rest are saying it and stuff it throws into her name. Okay but let's say for them. You know the bottom line is there is a those are gears that are working and without either three of those does. It doesn't turn each connects to the next thing that makes it work. You know. Most things work like that you pull out one of those years Lagos corden goes or or more ingles. That thing's GonNa Work Wonky and I think they are putting on some of the What are the best products right now? Period so yes talking about Nwea into the fire a question Mark Verse Trevor Murdoch in a singles match. Everyone's really high on question Mark Hot. Yeah Super Hot Cut I. There's also speculation. That was that was who he is like They've gotTA chain stores. beat up first week of I saw. It is and spoiler they. It was really funny when they were showing all of the lead up for the title match and and I was like you know you just right after showing a question mark thing you showed. The guy's GonNa quit fucking ends like putting a picture of Superman and Clark Kent next to each other going. I mean the hair and the glasses. He's hiding in plain sight right so yes question. Mark Verse Trevor. Murdoch is announced as a singles. Those Mash Obviously Trevor Murdoch. The Guy who's crazy enough to strap a bucket nevermind Next up next is women's tag team match with Allison K.. Michigan native to her. And Ashley Vauxhall. Taking on the team of either Molina and under Rosa Molina Mardi Bell or Thunder Rosa and Marty Bell It's yet to be decided which of those three and we'll be in Alan Kay and actually vox versus Molina Thunder Rosa or Mardi Bell. Then there's a singles match ally drake versus Ken. And and he Li- drake. I could have done that. But Anderson's the core engines name and then there is a best two out of three falls match for the NWEA world heavyweight championship where each guy got to pick the referee. They did this. They set this precedent with cody. Rhodes Nick like all this. Brian Hefner is James Storms. Pick and Tim Storm. Is Nick aldus. Pick for the referee. If this match goes to a Third Fall Paul a coin flip will happen and heads or tails. That referee will take on the third fall of the match. Then there is a triple threat for match for the end of you way national championship. Colt Cabana defending his title against Aaron Stevens and Ricky starks. Great fucking stocks research. One of the most exciting the guys on good to watch them and then of course Natalie's will the tag team championship match of the Rock and roll express defending defending their titles. Ricky Morton and Robert Gibson are taking on the wildcards Thomas Latimer and Royce Isaacs and a rematch Devon wants to call in yet man You know the number to the studio call reasonable cultish show shits about to get serious serious one hundred percent Devon. Yeah man we you got about ten minutes for you. Because we got the smacktalk showdown guys calling in to talk to them about their lewd attitude product as well so Devon feel free to you call in for ten minutes. It shouldn't know not open. I'm glad you said that because I would not have noticed that it was open my bet. So yes the NWEA product again like we said this is a six match card but it is a stack card in probably give them all a lot. More time usually get on top of that. They've already said that. This is going to be something done. Different Lagaan had gone on twitter. Twitter in state is like w power. These people come out. They're going to have entrance music on the pay per view and the guy was like yes. The pay per views will have a completely different. I feel then all of the NWEA power episodes as they should studio a studio recorded. Mrs Peiris Very is probably GonNa be live. So you're GONNA have like Catelli production type deal like everything else it's incoming incoming call from Devon. What's up de ever? Hey cell phone on speakerphone phone. Hey everybody lives in Devon. What's what's up my brother the same color? Smith's you you know that no one else on this show would say brother of the same color. What's up rather have a different color slip that one? I am not ten enough to slip that one in. He's in the waist now by trying to get away with them. Oh and then it stops at the beltline. Actually I'm like I'm like you know one seventeenth black and that's right around my beltline that's it. It's not what you think is way way less than what you think. Way Less way less Obviously we're talking about NWEA now we know Through all the controversy that WWF. Had you've kind of backed off from watching the product because you don't WanNa support reported and understandably so have you been watching the NWEA product. See it as part of the reason why I was able to back away from wwe because outside of wwe there's so much great wrestling on right now. NWEA is definitely one of watch. W wait every week. I I love it. Man Throwback Fail old school days. It's a different Phil I love it. I'm definitely looking forward to show. This weekend is so you have you already purchased the show. So here's the thing I'm actually going to be in Detroit this weekend coming up there for the Shine and they battle Taiji show. I'll go ahead plan that Saturday so I'll probably end up catching Sunday Somehow but if I if I wasn't GonNa be busy that Saturday I would definitely I am going to watch it though I'll be honest. I'm going to be as Saturday. I work every Saturday. But they do give you the replay. Saab you're watching that. NWEA probably before come into show to have a conversation about next week. Oh no next week. The lions game at home. I won't be here homeless bullshit. Who Love you what what is really standing out to you devin about the NWEA right now it serve as the starter or just the fact? That is good storylines that's built out over a long period of time. It might be a combination both. I'm not I'm not sure what it is. I just know every Tuesday. I'm watching it no matter what it's are you now. Are you trying to watch it. Live or you just watching it when you can catch it Well we're schedules Kinda want Ya. I tried to catch that before I go to work then. I'll probably what AWA dark. What's up at work but Got To catch you. Know not too long after up Is there anything else outside of the WW that is truly standing out to you. Like how are you feeling about Awa As As as show. I'm at a point right now where I'm kind of waiting until like the beginning of a year to really really make a heart on aws. I'm enjoying what I'm saying. But you know to say okay. This is definitely the best one best cubbies always on the air or the bigger real hard judge on giving them until the beginning of the year to do so but I say good things still production things I gotta work out Awesome some continuity things figure out like with your ranking system. But I'm enjoying what I've seen so far all right and Impact he paying a lot of tension impact. Hannity back actually I think there are pay per view. Hard to heal is going to be Dallas. Try and make that show okay. I I'm definitely enjoying what What they've been doing changes that they've made over the years and Deal with access putting on channel we can actually find so. I'm definitely looking forward to more impact So what do you think who do you believe right. Now is the hottest star in in wrestling outside of. WWe With everything that you've been watching this airfoil. Yeah for a while. I think cody is. How does baby facing the business right now? I would say hottest he'll but Somebody that I'm I'm really you know keeping my eye on right now is a test blanche. I'm really looking forward to seeing what they're gonNA do with this story Whether she's going to stay she's going to go somewhere else. Say What Mardi. He's grown wait what he's GonNa do. But I will say Qodian Jericho prior to hottest outside of me right now. Jericho and cody. Nice man. Many what are you talking your head at that one is there. I agree with the cody. Cody thing is the hottest face but I think semi cal has probably the hottest heel professional wrestling right now just because the the work done over the last two years in general along speaks for itself off he's had one of the PWI matching a year with Tessa bladder and he's also had his were his. He'll work it would impact the fact. He's able to get heat no matter how good he is. An rain is a testament to how good of a hill he is and he take shots at everybody. Like eight impact World Championship. He took a shot at Jericho's a little bit of bubby set out here drinking beer. 'cause bucks pays for bitches. Bubbly bubbly is for bitches. Yeah paraphrasing but but he's he's. He's taking shots at just about any and everybody is outside of like several shots but nothing like not name dropping or anything like that kyle comments. And who's his bum on on the line We kind of stole your Co Host Dog Day cycle remember. That's that's fine. I get it. He he should be jealous. Because you know GonNa be jealous you went. You went from He went from knockouts and three counts to ring breaking down. That's just how it goes dog noon. Sometimes the allure of the ring. Briton makes everybody break it down. That's a euphemism for Smith. He's asshole the whole break the smit down And so Devon is there anything that you have been watching that obviously not a lot of people are talking talking about what you think should have a lot more play in the mainstream conversation of professional wrestling. What you're saying I'm I'm here in Dallas now MSW Is actually going to have a show here the day before impacts pay per view. And I've already bought got my ticket for that show I'm trying to check out more of W I've watched it here and there but It's Kinda hard to find them the Times I've actually found them on. A thing is being sports on a little bit more. I'm definitely checking them out and ring of honor to you man. I'm I'm interested in seeing what was going on. Ring viner Dave kind of become like the the loss steps child in this whole No reshuffling wrestling companies. I don't WanNa see what they're gonNa do to respond to aid. W An impact and all these other companies stepping up. Yeah L. W. he just released Teddy Hart So just you know jumped into a little bit of the conversation you know with the release of a guy which is weird usually as the signing of guys that make a lot of people talk but at the release of Teddy Hart Teddy Teddy Teddy fucking heart. The release of him definitely brought a little bit. More wwl agree. I'm L. W. caught my eyes when Larry Dallas went there for a little bit For their podcast. And I was like Oh and so you can find that on television. I agree ring of honor. I mean it's really difficult defined ring of honor but you can F- five one F is one at midnight on Fridays Or technically Saturday morning at twelve. Am I guess. Ah teeters on one hundred inbetween Friday and Saturday. There's that midnight hour and that's you can catch bring home in Devon man thank. He's so much for calling in and we really appreciate talking to you brother Definitely maybe calling a another day or even later in the show because we got the smacktalk showdown guys game that we fucking love. Now we fucking love. Those guys are about to call him and have a conversation about their loot attitude back but Devon thank you so much for calling in brother. We'll talk to you a little bit later. All right man and Don't don't take this personally. I can't take anything personally when it doesn't happen now. Badri Mon Amen and Amen. The doctor King had a dream in a Luby's doing right now. So you later brother. I don't get wow braised it. That's not bad stereotype. Their views and opinions expressed ed or totally making even the person who I one hundred percent the waiver initiator so yes ask like Devin was saying man major league. MSW Major League wrestling. You got ring of honor obviously and other little companies. I mean look the new Japan kind of fell away from the conversation. Even though they're still doing big things you know Jericho still involved in them you know he's still doing things even though he's an. Aws Main Guy. He's still doing things with new Japan wrestling new Japan dropping a statement. I think vice president even saying that. Look we're not saying we're not willing to work with anybody with things have to align and we have to pay attention to our current partnerships and things like that and see what works best l. l.. Right now smells uh-huh like Japan award right now and ring of honor. One hundred percent is still pissy at a e W as is most of the wrestling world. Look man you Kinda fucked some things up by starting up Look you can be the fucking baby facing the fans is but there's a lot of backstage heat on Awa in the wrestling world. And it's not just because of the product they're putting on. You fucked a lot of people over with this. You know And that's fine to an extent and but it it's by we all said you know it'd be like starting a brand new company. You pillaged a lot of talent. It's not just budget cuts it's not like not signing with them like those those fucking five. Guys Cody Kenny. Hangman and the bucks would have signed with. WWe That's all that would have happened. Yeah those five guys. WWe In all these other people that are being promoted and everything would have stayed in these indie things but by doing starting a new company and bringing in all of these people even currently when when you bring in more and more people which is not bad because you're putting diversity diversifying your bonds but go they would say financial diversify your boss Nigger but you're now all these other other companies are starting to lose people they have star power and it's really funny because like there's a another UK promotion just closed you know and in a lot of people are giving heat and X T K for this because they signed people to exclusive contracts array progresses and one place they farm progress. Yes what are you talking about. C K farm hours so another one of these UK promotions close and a lot of people are giving it to the annex t WBZ eastern brand. But let's not forget. Aws Point people into man you know. They're not doing so bad as to pulling people I don't think they're signing signing exclusive kind. I mean obviously you have to be available for these dates period. But they're pulling people as well. Let's not pretend that this is all. WWE ANNEX T or anything. Mrs It's going around it's going around you know and so therefore everything's being pillaged right now by the startup of new company. A new major company that was doing ten thousand seats for the first couple of shows at pay per views and tried to do it with their weekly show dynamite and it's fizzling fast man like. It's it sucks right because you want to see this you want to see that. AWS still holding true. Awa eventually going to have to go. Yeah let's go to a couple of five thousand Carina let's go because currently your having a larger blackout area then the NFL gives you for a non sold out. The game can't catch. TV Won't show if you're in that current market like the line. I didn't I didn't know that W did that. The no no no that like the blackout like opening our tarps. Oh yeah there's nobody fucking there so we're going to throw all probably the worst one this week. So yeah you guys have all trying to sell ten thousand seats. You're sending a lot six thousand six dollars and fifty five hundred hundred. And here's what's blows my mind right. You have some people that are the Awa diehards on twitter going. We failed. And you're like would it mean you failed the we didn't rally the troops enough for psych. You CAN'T I. I appreciate that kind of loyalty right but why been two months. Why do you have this loyalty to something? That is it for the fans sure but it has to have a much broader scope of things for it to truly pull in the audience. You know we were talking talking about assess what I mean by. They feel just seats. Are there or the ratings when the ratings came out before because they obviously didn't come out the next day for thanks because it was Thanksgiving Day for two Wednesdays Wednesdays ago but A. W. Lost again for the pre and the post survivor series show was there should and this week they. AWB by six thousand fans the numbers right. Yeah graduations. You know math this week. Awa Poignant eight hundred fifty one thousand years next pulling in eight hundred and forty five thousand viewers you you know. Obviously it's much closer right now and it's probably going to flip flop depending on what you're getting next week is being the triple threat for the number one contender shift for the NFC championship. You might see in an extreme numbers. Go Up Oh yeah because you had because of how hot CIAMPA Lee and Ballard. You're right and that's your fucking top draw next week it is. It is the week after. Because they're going to have the the women and the Mens Yup that match is going to happen that same night. Yep Wow in Jericho facing on jungle boy Mr. We'll get into that in a second. So yes there's a lot of conversations going on smitty you obviously you and Joe were always the guys who pay more attention to the independent scene. Have you started paying less attention to the independent scene. Now that there's so much mainstream wrestling to watch I pull myself a little bit more away. From New Japan array of honor honor still kind of come in and out on her but like the the lag is like the whole farm and of I was like some of these places especially I mean they had this conversation. Abou- reminder probably the worst getting farmed out of would they w thing and see and all this stuff. AWS radio monitors like star power right now. So they're like and star power and it's in part of it like there are guys still. I like an they keep me invested in so enterprises. There's like Mardi scroll getting ready to his conflict being up and he he's probably have to go That's one guy I will follow and it's going to pull me away a little bit more away from it But the rebound has a good habit of billy stars like Johnson Gresham. I WANNA see more of him Shane Taylor even though he's is probably his way out as well Guys like jellies. You've got the briscoes are they is not that they don't have Quality wrestlers over there MHM is just about the ring of honor has a habit of the needs from also sells better need to promote themselves talent. Better New Japan like I'm still following pretty much. Just a bullet club over there right now like Jay White is your intercontinental champion Last last hope is your United States champion over there Then you know shits about the main event right now late. I don't care about Okada how'd Anymore Okada. I find that Okada's only as good opponent. You give them right now. Rescue Writing Code Obuchi. Who won did you did you want? And they're not doing anything everything I've watched nothing interesting about that match right now. Tetsuya Naito feud him or is he championship with a j white. And that's probably the most interesting thing they have on new Japan right now from what I've seen those far and is I'm invested but not as much as I am stuff like impact and an and a w also is so much to watch as well that part of getting lost in the shuffle. Because I tried to get back into AAA lay but to many clubs too many clowns. It's like six fucking cloud-based characters a week and AAA and I'm like no. This is nick. Obviously you've gotten out of the wwe realm only every now and then of watching by coming becoming a regular part of the show. Is there anything that has caught your eye outside of what is mainstream like you no impact. NWEA WWE WS or. Is that your just really concentrating on this right now just because it. This is what you have to pay attention to for the show No I mean yeah I gotTa Watch this stuff for the show no but it's easily accessible between www NWEA I I want to watch. Impact I just have a hard time watching everything that I currently watch and I would still watch everything that I do for the show. Oh I watch it even if I wasn't on the show but it's hard to fit all that in so I wanNA watch it. She did forty three. Who knew it makes his hand? It's hard to to get it all you know and I want to you. I know you guys talk about ring of honor and shows like New Japan which they're portrayed as some of the better in in ring action especially New Japan. I just. It's not something that I'm seeking out only because it's not as easily accessible. Could I find it sure. But it's not something I can just flick on and go you. You know. This is something that obviously. We haven't gotten into much because of the fact that we usually have so much to talk about whereas while there is a lot of stuff to talk about the things that happened this week and Russell we do kind of want to get into this finally with not much being built for stuff It's just kind of recap shows which we can weave in and out of but with the amount of wrestling that you have right now it is such is a buffet. You Walk Up and you get to pick and choose what you want when you want it. Sure you can watch things live but like we said and w power is live for that hour at six zero five and but if you don't catch it then watch it whenever it's a youtube show so if you do. DVR for any of the other ones you can watch later. You know. You don't have to which that's what I do. I can't watch all of these products. What they after all Hulu Yeah? It's it's something that's it's very accessible to many fans and that is the purpose for this. Is You want your you want wrestling. You want all of this no matter what it is to not feel like a chore and sure some of it does washing some Ross. Had I've been feeling like a Chore Smack Down To Mostly raw raw for everybody which is really bad to say. Zafer that flagship show and it might be the only one. That's three hours and they got to put so much into it. You know and we can constantly talk about the time but at the same time and when raw it was really good it was three there was three rows back in the early two thousands and you were watching every bit of that going. This is great. You know so. It's not like they haven't done. An amazing MES an amazing run of three hour shows now like one or two like no they used to have. They had years where you were just. You weren't talking about it. You know on how much it is you when they first said we're going to go to three hours like Oh shit that's a lot. And then they provided Ryan Tabet say they have it in them to make to make great but it seemed like they'd just for somebody in your lack on this is not pulling through at this point. Yeah there's there's a disconnect right there and no one can fully tell tell what it is because there's a lot of people that WANNA throw it on. Vince McMahon put into man's provides some of the best and still has his head like okay. The smackdown that was written after after tour that lasts Saudi show. Everyone was like Oh aaa chat his hand all the blades smackdown because AAA it came out that Vince wrote that whole show on the plane back when he found out this superstars. We're GONNA make Vince wrote that show in triplets. It's executed and not just execute. Vince was there you us. This was the first one and Vince. was there Vince. was there wrote the fucking show so obviously put things together with AAA. But we've always said W W puts on some of the best products when they're back to the fucking wall. Yeah so so while you could say. Vince is out of touch. Vincent lost it. Vince put on the best smackdown. You ever watch this year in the last ten years. The lot of people are talking about Vincent that with his back to the wall on a plane ride home at a fucking Napkin. Probably highly doubt that message reclamation so so you you have to you kinda have to still say Vince has it but Vince has it. When he doesn't have too much thought vintages go? Go probably GONNA be fucking beautiful over our Abou- so prophets is an province is fucking amazing so we hope raw gets better but while we've mentioned some of the stuff that is on the outskirts of it let's talk about these shows shows. These means shows as a whole nick as you're watching them what's standing out most to you every week Being a wrestler. Promo or something that you just like to see one of these things that are doing very well each week next. He's entering work doc. Even though I wasn't thrilled this week with the show as a whole it's very clean. It's hard hitting its I'm I find myself very much paying attention to the whole entire match. Most of the time The promos are really good. They're not they don't run too long. There's not too many of them. It's not getting crammed down throat I liked the showcase of their talent. As far as you know like you guys you got guys like keithly right now. WHO's one of the for me? One of the hottest dudes and WWe right now. And and I just think the in ring work first and foremost but not overloading us with promos that run too long. Many I was agree with Nick about the showcase a talent and the way that they showcase talent is not as outside maybe baby of the undisputed heir who you pretty much see every week. You're not getting no one particular person's getting crammed down your throat but is that what stands out to you. The most of things that are What what does the reason? No of any of the mainstream product that we're watching oh standing the most More sold the way impact kind of does their impact kind of runs their thing like they let the way. It was one of the few places where I see. They are showing equality with entering. Like you got blanche. Choose Ashley Vying for the World Championship. But then you've also seen women like Jordan grace go against man you've seen is and the diversity and once again there also. NFC where is not every week you see a certain people like you. And I talked about how rich Swann put on that amazing match two weeks ago. Forty minutes in the ring forty minutes in the ring. And you didn't see a thought like didn't have the throwback show and like this week week. Same Willie Mac and delete up to something that may be happening at hard to kill their Do a whole tacking open thing. The suze about that far to find out who's saviour for detecting champions that hard to kill well like he's pretty much everybody saying good magical mash in he like he really had no big part in the show. Just a little the Charlotte get basically putting on a good match type. Deal Sea Tessa BLANCHARD'S GONNA fight Nick Gage in an holds barred match in January. NCW Yup I I just W I C W New York okay. Whatever there is a G C W but they're they're they're wrestling at the IC? W I was asking thing I did not again no holds barred Nobody holds barred match. Also the way that the impact uses the way to use their legends or the legends or veterans in in a company They actually use them sometimes. Alleged to go eventually over sometime most of the time they use these veterans to actually get the The Newark are no-name talent over Also a big fan of x division. I'm where you're going on way too much. I said one thing in your the utilizing the talent. Okay so for me. The one things that is standing out the most of any of these mainstream is something that Devon mentioned earlier in his Jerko because Jericho as your face of Ahe W is spectacular. Tackler what he's doing to bring up the people in the inner circle to get people More involved more recognition more name value vert and the things that he's doing with talent that he's facing you know when he's Scorpios are scoring several. Oh Scott yes can get it out. Thank you Smitty Scorpio Sky you've got jungle boy coming up in a couple of weeks. The you know the line where Lucci sources like you know Marco Michael stunts small for his age and then jackals like small for any age. You know it's there. It's comments like He. There's moments that Jericho is. You can tell that he's just having the time of his fucking life wrestling right. Now he is going. He's in a company where he's got a lot of creative freedom but he's not just given a lot of creative freedom. It's a lot of creative freedom that he's able to put in a main part of a show you know it's not like something we're like. Okay go ahead and try this. You know when he had to fight with triple h for the festival of friendship because no. I talked to Vince last week. This how he said it could be done Jamila just like knowing. I'm going to call Vince. And the you know he's Concetti. Coffins Vince like yeah. Let let them do it pal. It's gotTa be good Shit. It was great fucking segment and that was Jericho's creative control on full display and also. Yeah but the bottom line is he still had to fight day of on the show hours before it was supposed to go down to get what he wanted. I highly doubt he's doing that right now. He is saying. Hey let's do this and they're like yeah. That sounds pretty cool. If I can do it you know but only problem with it is is creating a lot of inconsistencies again. uh-huh you know. Jungle boy is an own eight overall wrestler. And he's getting a title shot shot near nine title. I thought it was a title title. He's he's got his opponent for his last match. I thought I thought that see. That's my fault because I thought that he was stating that. He had to wrestle here to defend the title one more time in two thousand eighteen per Contra nineteen twenty one thousand nine yeah so he was obligated to one more match. Okay all right so I- retract that statement but again so now he's going to be facing jungle boy so it's again right back to what I was saying is he's putting over other talent. That's one thing that I completely agree with you on on and it's frustrating because there's a lot of people that are on these You know the Internet wrestling community that when you saw. WC WC when you saw inner circle forum in Jericho made comments like Oh. I've got these guys back in. You know you know were close and this that and the other people were bashing him like you've known them for like five five minutes and you know okay I get when you're looking at it on the surface but Jericho's at a point in his career where not only is he over. His one of his main focuses to help other younger talent. Get the fuck over and he's doing that seminars. Where twenty three and I think a a lot of people are forgetting that these these people that are just there to no matter what he w does he just got fucking Basha just because they can but they're forgetting the purpose the the right behind the reason of a lot of this shit you know and he is? He's doing a great job not only keeping himself over as the he'll that company in the face but he's helping these dudes yeah jungle boyzone eight. But he's going to help that dude look good right you know. And he's GonNa put them in a com- a formidable type of look like you're going to probably going to get a real good match later Darby Allen yes Darby Allen or against Scorpio Sky you know. We look a lot of people talk. About how Great Scorpio. Sky Is in when he wrestled in the tag team and s you. He didn't get a lot of look at the singles. Part of Scorpio. Sky You did you know. It's Gerry Cole. Right now is probably probably the greatest thing in wrestling because of what he's doing for it as a whole showing that these promos can be cut. You know unscripted if you're good enough you're Jerko it was really funny One of the greatest things I feel that jerk was ever said was that when he was in. WWE and they're talking about guys trying to get guys over. It was like send guys out there for three minutes in between main event and raw. Aw to cut a promo unscripted. Just see where they do to get over. See if you can find a guy who has that charisma and if you find that guy pushed that guy because that is your entertainment guy if they fall flat on their face okay. That's fine and then you pull him back. No one's you know it's fucking sure people because the social media but it's going to help someone get over or heard of them. They have to come back and they have to fight for it and that's three minutes. You go give people three minutes to see what they can do. People got all the the fucking three minutes in the world right now in Asia you you know and I guarantee that part Jericho sure cody and the bucks Kenya the VP's and Tony Kahn. or I'll putting it over. You're putting things into perspective and the backstage thing but you know they're talking to crush Jericho Chris. Jericho is a huge grizzled veteran in wrestling. And he is putting on some of the best things right now and you can't knock him for at all and I agree with you make you know you brought it up there the people that are fucking fucking anti W I don't get it even I with all of my nitpicking and you know going into here like a goal the referee there's way too many no counts. Stauba I have I will always sit back and praise what needs to be praised you nitpick other companies accompanies the Nixon every fucking Yemeni. You know I mean hell man we talk about how much we love. NWEA my God did we fucking hate when cornet stuff was going on. You know I it. It happens but the way they handled. It was wonderful. Okay he's gone. You know coronet made his fucking comments on his podcast and stuff and there was a great he left. They showed showed him love and people are giving them Shit for saying thank you and it's like you can't give anyone shit for being a freezing to yeah about ending like if fucking like okay. We've had Kelly on the show we've had Orlando Christopher on this show. We thank you to all of the things that they have done for us. You know each one of them brought different perspective Orlando with India with the actual wrestler perspective. Kelly with the women's perspective. Thank you so much. Do we give them shit in fun ways that we gave them shit face to face on the show look at their chest you know but a Jewish around but the bottom line is is. Is You appreciate what people have done for you and your show regardless of how they left Cornet fucked up but cornet fucked the line. He's been saying for years. That started when the whole starving Marvin fucking shit with South Park was going on right. It just didn't age well. There are the things that don't age well and when you run back to the well too much that's what happens. You know But these accompany Jericho is SPEC fucking Takkula I. I can't say enough. Great things about Chris Jericho as a wrestler as performer. As has any kind of hiccup and at the same time did you hit up while you were drinking. Yeah and you just dribbled many then swallow suspender many quits. And now you know all right. We'll start with you at this one of all of the wrestling that we have to watch of all of this stuff. What is the one thing that you wish was being done? Better the smackdown in general outside I have really have no edison. You're watching slack now. Most weeks really pretty. I really light. I've always like Whoa nate head. Did the whole draft the NFL smackdown boned in that draft. And ever since I watched some acknowledged as much of a chore as Watching Raw. 'cause I have. There's nothing interesting for me owner right now. Not the King Corbin look the oil the King Corcoran Roman. Storyline is just getting more ridiculous. Every week just like the whole Lonzo Roussev and adding Kevin Owen. Suet now who is snuffing about smackdown pop into me and making me want to watch and see what's going on here nick. Well I will say that. There's nothing about Rar smackdown that makes me say I got a fucking watches tonight I just I'm GonNa Watch it. I will say that raw for me is the one. Aw The thing that needs the improvement I think three hours is too long Because there's a lot of shit that just filler. That doesn't really need to be there. And I I. It's like a roller coaster. Like I don't WanNa Watch it but then I start watching them like okay cool. I'm watching RAW And then it just Kinda goes down and there's something that kind of goes up and then there's the down and then there's more down and then there's more down than there's an up and it just it's too much of a roller coaster is not consistent. Insistent and three hours is just way too fucking much do you think with the signing of John Morrison. Johnny Nitro Tro. Whatever the fuck is going to go is Back is this something that is possibly helpful to that. Because I mean back in the day he was one of the more exciting. The people who watch Do you think that could help. Raw or smackdown. Whatever show he goes to And make it more interesting to you. Nick Junior yeah definitely. He was a good run in ring worker. I didn't really care for his character. But do can wrestle. You know and that's just as important for me. You know I mean you can be awesome awesome character and suck in the ring and then we'll good are you so yeah. I definitely think it'll help either. A show for sure for me. The thing that is lacking the most end it seems to be a theme for all of us is the W. we w programming's engaging keep watching this type thing. I will say the best thing. They have going for them right now. Is this real slow-burn of Seth rollins into a he'll I think this is great They're in a slow. Burn it down the alluded related. So I'm but so it's not like there's all hope is lost you know. There's there's obviously things that they have are doing really well but agreed for products overall as a whole yeah I sneeze. That was his knees. I held in tigard gestures now medicine not they gonNA go take some your face no take some for yours already. Have you welcome. I'm taking something nine to. It's not just vodka as water. But he's not just water and it's five o'clock somewhere worst fucking thing. Here's a bartender anyway. So so they are trying to do not only giving a lot of attention to one thing right so the other things Kinda fall away each episode has it's has it's one thing and right now seth rollins is raw in a way that you finally WanNa give a shit about the seth rollins thing and and smackdown. I guess it's kind of Roman. I mean they're giving a lot of stuff to the scene and very white and things like that but the folks are moreover Corbin but even at the same time. It's like nothing's really set apart as what is being focused based on more because it's it's not like there's either both of them are running themes through smackdown right they go from you know major parts of title and everything like that Roman With Corbin you WANNA see them. You WanNA see corporate loses. I guess I it just seems like they're going back too much. They don't know how to spread it in the story lines to where you're following a few different things like the best fucking Shit on a show is here's your main storyline for some but there's also back end stuff that is featured just as much enjoying it all you know and I just wish that. WWe would pull that in a little bit more Y- like I said that's all of us are agreeing wishing that we had more out of a situation of a product that has so much fucking raised on man and has your rights so much talent such a diverse roster so much greatness was bright that you're going knowing as kind of whittling away. Yeah and you're kind of losing interest in everyone and that's a problem because you're trying not to lose interest and it's not like they're really pulling in more than what they were so you know we all we talk about the ratings and stuff like that but smackdown was is pulling for average before Fox little over two little under two million viewers. You know now. Two point three of the last four two of the last four weeks that two point three two point five for the episode before survivor series. Two point three three episode after survivor and it was only a two point four. This week. You're not doing much better with a bigger audience which goes to show. I know that your show is lacking in a keep me their environment and without that that's the detriment to any television show any series. Anything I don't give a shit. What your past is? It's GonNa hurt many. You talked about all the way. Impact is utilizing their talent with Tessa. Tessa blanchard having a shot at the impact world's championship. And now Sammy Callahan. He had to face motherfucker name. Just drops Ruan yes. I know surrender yesterday. That was yesterday. India okay so I'm Callahan. Retain them assuming. I've got chance to wash your address. Renew my impact plus yesterday and I didn't get a chance to watch no surrender you. Well oh I see. That's what you're saying so hope. I'm assuming he retained because the match the heart kills hasn't been changed via social media Will available live on impact plus. Yeah so and tonight as a motorcycle motown showdown Belleville impact. Oh yeah that'd be. CW Show in Belleville might go except like diamondback saloon. I believe we were there that one so I wanted a car on a car and it got like like four fucking huge guys. It'd be like called like a battle like Brian Cage. AC Romero moves in like these guys like big guys is like four or five of them like and like just saw. Aw All out fight pretty much man. That's right kyle. I'm going to that. We gave away some tickets at our survivor series event. So I wanted to Gobert schedule. You gotTa Work Nerd Nerd were involved. So shutt- aw how that's the other thing I wanted to get into the fall. Show evolve was here in in Detroit on one forty one of one forty one. Thank you Where we had so you can meet CIAMPA? He can meet Walter. Walter was actually in a match on the show any time about the Walmart I want for the one was really good. Show is My second of all show. I've ever went to so it was the first of all shaw throw into were. It was still good Highlight to me was There was a tag team match for detecting championships Yeah Leon rough and they are defending his sidell. Hideout forgot the other guy's name. I just really forgot his name. Because the ills Hang out with Macedonia. After the show got a picture and did he goes did he goes side Elliott. He goes born. He says okay. Evan Bar was just the name me one hundred W W Polo and actually I'd have a quick conversation. HMS Ideal three percents. I couldn't actually. I wanted to record. It gave me shit about where my Hoodie and shirt like you know they're bringing honoring Hoodie. Says break down randomly. I'll actually ask anyway honoring the late. Now man we're good let's ring crew in the business so yeah so as the arena like is actually asks well at least you tried the Grad continue with Highlight to me was tag team. They had some really good tag team matches going on in general because most of my first awesome Chris. Bay Live too so he was phenomenal. any Kingston there with a six man tag at he's GonNa know on unwanted also Club kicked out of the unwanted an assailant beforehand The main event was Walter. I'm drawn names on blanks. I'm blank on names here. Didn't he take on. I have the about one forty forty one card. Another mass actually liked was Jd Drake had a match. What the champion? Josh Briggs Briggs Our really Internet management. The finished shot late. They they watch the Finish Timothy Thatcher. Timothy Thatcher's Walter but yet judge Briggs in. Jj had an amazing mashed. It's just the botch finish had. It took me completely out of it. we're having I guess braves supposed to you going for his Finisher off the top Oliwa. Drake was on the top rope and they just kinda botched to finish and they just went too far from there. The move by stadium. He's from there okay and got three L. A.. Okay guys just put on his really good match but Dan I got like you like everything. Will he way you compare the movies. It's like okay. We had this really good. Build up in a crescendo. was just farted. Your use farted on Mir Attar. We had this if you gave me all this greatness this did you say Chris Bay Novels. Who Talk about what sort of drop lights on name? lancs dribbling traveling so wait. Who did you say took them? On the first match was besties versus the skulk doc skulk Alana's gray. Yeah okay great not be all right. I like Shipman. Because he had the deficit I was like no. I'm going to okay. Great not being Chris. Base should be signed signed somewhere big phenomenon Osama impact like he did handiwork impact when a saucer So talk about something that you did after the show when you were talking to some of the wrestlers so I got so went and I gotta autograph from Brady Lauren. who was a pass Appearance Pretty much called into the show at one point Let's be her for a second but there was a bunch of kids behind me so I didn't want to take up too much time So I got up pavement autograph and she noticed a Hoodie and she's Mitch and that she was on the show uh-huh at one point and I say yeah I'm wondering is this. I'm show gives me a t-shirt and those the people over here and I just kind of let that be to give you. Yeah Nice for giveaways and stuff. Yeah so yeah. So she asked me what size. He's just got large giveaway. And when I talked to Alexei and also talk to Matt Slice I got a picture an autograph with it so I'm from him so and I was like I have fun now outside myself. I actually came here as they fans lease like. Would you know you're the best kind of fan of self promoting fan my shirt or you say I think because it's like both people I talked to. They they look at the honey new like the school in Nablus calling they brought up something about it yeah like excite. They'll try to pretty much me about not bringing down the rain ready Laura I was on a show like I was on that show a while back like Oh yes I I know I was there. I interviewed you. How are you nice to put a face with the voice so yeah so right that was cooling and also another day like during the show I ran the three people at Szott Hoodie and they said they listened to our show. Dog shutout to those guys and girls girls and And they were in noses really dragging them noxious and they. They brought up us. They brought up art. And I like okay okay. Yeah they did all nothing but they were just like it was called. They brought us up. But then which is really overly drug shit talk. People are fans not told him that I wanted to point out that sometimes really drunken annoying. But that's that's why. Yeah but overall it was good show show. I went as a self promoting fan. But you put yourself man. That's what we should do really might go to. Also impacting tonight also gave also gave Idell. What about cards? So I won't data so yes our information. Hey Messa del. If you're listening Wollo cards so they did a little bit of promoting uploaded us a little bit while I was out there tonight. at we're talking about the impact motown showdown. Rhino is taken out Sammy. Callahan for the impact world championship having in Madison Verse Rosemary and Taya You Got Brian Cage verse. Michael Elgin battles yesterday The impact division. The X Division Championship is on the lines. As Defense Against Dad's desperately Xavier rascals Madman Fulton Verse Eddie Edwards. He got Willie Mack enrich vers. Lovie David J Chris and the DNC hit squad boy hero versa. The rascals Yemen. I'm going to head the roused the last one Zachary wentz entry mcgeough. Yeah so my head down there man if I if he starts at eight o'clock tonight to go have a fucking blast e blasting awesome Belleville. Say Hi to all the impact guys you know Give a good handshake to my good friend Row Heat Rossouw You know make fun of his haircut are or not because it's cool Mohawks do it all right so put excuse me Facie Facie Season's just playing to twenty in all the bugs while listening to us really thieves not much different than listening to us. Twenty We all right. We have talked so much about the greatness that we have in professional wrestling. Now Wow and what we are finding in having as fans in pro wrestling what we are dealing with is something that has been unprecedented great. Nothing has been so readily available for wrestling fans not so much. Rising is not being readily available for fans. The way it has weight is right now now and because of that we are so happy. Why isn't that bring up? No are we announcing something no. Because he's a while he wanted to bring it up. No no it was I was bringing bringing up the skype ahead. Any missed calls which we don't was sad because I really wanted to talk to the smackdown showdown guys today. We have had all this for a few months now and a lot of talk before this was going to be too much. Is it going to be an overload outside of the fact that as we're on this show we kind of have to watch everything but do you feel nick. Start with you that this is just like. You're getting force-fed force-fed too much or is it a good pace at a good time. You have the week to pay attention to it. I think it's a good pace. That's a good time but it's it's not being forced that it is still we'll to it's tough to get through it all just because you know we all have lives outside of here and one week to the next might be different. Aren't you know So to find the time to do that get enough rest for my my nine to five job. Spend spend time with my kid And do other things that I need to do. it's a little tiresome so luckily early enough though with the availability of like cliff notes and things like that. If there is something that I can't watch which I think it's only really happen once that I miss something maybe twice but with the the access to that kind of stuff it does help I this week I felt a little bit to the point where I was like okay like mostly with raw. I'm like man I'm watch. I've watched an hour. This already ready. Maybe I'll just skip it and watch the cliff notes later or just because it's becoming chore to watch raw a little A little bit for you I feel like there's a lot in values a lot with nine four fit pace in all right but we'll see him certainly Tuesday yet three shows to pick from Wednesday. You got two shows to pick from or like you say you guys. DVR You watch. Watch it back to back Monday Friday Monday. You got three hours raw. You got two hours of smackdown on Friday a lot MHM wasn't you pick and choose and accessibility where all the extremists harvest like. No Japan world impact plus W network The gas up like Hulu we can watch TV next day. There's there's ways to to fit it in but it's a lot Jesus when I I like the fact that you can if I do miss something if I were to skip or whatever. I'm not that worried about it because if this were twenty twenty five years ago I'd miss it I am. I didn't see anything happen but I'm able to look at you know stuff that we do look at notes things like that and catch up so it's not. It's not really bad. I just you know I want to watch things like impact I just don't I don't have any more time to watch anything else I really don't. You're stupid oh no I feel I watch it a debut product a chore Once Again I have the Hulu so I can always watch condensed version later on before the before two weeks up. And that's kind of what I've been doing lately with Ross. MacDonald's at this week where I actually did watch Soi and I just watched Hulu original smack now this week and But the ones I but also I make my way to make sure I find a way to watch impact here now because that's one of the products I really enjoy right now And that's what was. Uh That's what I love about. Disseminating wrestling we. It's a buffet. We can pick and choose the stuff that we like. I'll I'll watch impact I just we scrapped. Impact I describe. Scrapped scribe for impact plus because I like the product that's far also. Tin Hinny archives are and they're like all the matches slight from one. Aj thousand thousand. James Storm and those guys were there. They're available impact books and and even though you might not be fan of everything that all these companies are doing Ooh John. Smith's disallow my comedy Jordan. Pass to the white guy calm down even even though you might not be thrilled with everything that everybody's doing it's still one of the best times to be wrestling fan ever right now. So accessibility Louis is one of the best things right now to end up power as a youtube show. You don't always have to watch it live. It's going to be there all right here we go. Here's some again again this whole conversation. We didn't talk about shit before we came on the day. rank it you all-rank first. This way you guys can think about it because it's popped in my head is we. Were talking about it and I'm not GonNa just throw you to the wolves. Outrank I of the mainstream ones Roth rof. NWEA impact an X.. T. Eight W and smackdown numbers there. Six of them one through six start with six go to number one and I'll start with six six always super easy. It's fucking role on all right. Let's be very honest. If you're going to number five super easy as well well smackdown right like it sucks but if you're honestly putting it into the rankings of all of these we've talked about it consistently How much we truly enjoy an X.? T. A. W. Nwea an impact overall all the time we constantly have gripes about smackdown. ACT ON IT raw raw way more than smackdown for me wrong number six five number five smackdown number four people off. Aws I I think eight W as good as it is for the high spots is just as bad for the low spots and therefore it puts it into a middle ground and because of that I will never say that I feel. Aws better than NWEA impact or annex t that being said next number three for me is impact wrestling really impact. Wrestling is putting on a great product. But my problem with it is is. I'm not fully emotionally invested into it yet right so you can't do that but at the same time it's the same at we're not talking about you talk me so because I'm not mostly. It's kind of their fault but but not the kind of because they still have to our show right and the product that they've been putting on I was able to catch in and out but being on access I'm getting more emotionally socially involved invested. Because I'm able to watch it more readily rather than just trying to pull up twitch twitch fuck dude we have an account on twitch and forget the fucking could post that up on our for our twitch stream right like we asked what you know we have to bring us guys play. Whatever fucking game you want fucking have attitude? We'll get all the gamers there's and I I'm all right with that but I forget to put it up on the fucking stream. The number three impact number two surprising to people will an x t but I am super emotionally invested into it I am. It is something that I've been watching for very long time. Bought not as good as it is n w ages sucked me in right and this is it might be number one and two. You could flip flop any week for me right so obviously number one being the NWEA power. But would I pay twenty dollars Doc. What I'd be ten dollars more to get an annex t pay per view I would think about it I also know it will be streaming later and I could probably watch it on the regular? WW Network without paying the extra ten dollars to get to watch it live right or the extra ten dollars to watch it within the the first week or the first you know what I pay for it because I wanted to or what I pay for it because I had to a probably pay for it because I had to Nwea. I was like the minute I saw that they posted a link as I just wanted to. NWEA website national wrestling alliance DOT COM. I don't know why we keep putting them over. Hey sponsor sponsor us now but I saw it was like hey ordered on right now and I was like I clicked and I went and I bought it no thought process behind. It was like dude. I really want to watch that MHM on this entire episode weekly on Youtube is something that I'm intrigued in that something that just pulled me in and is something that I without thought without question was like twenty bucks. Fuck it. Let's do it. You know so to me my power. Rankings my rankings of this this current week which the bottom of about two probably going to stay the bottom two but you can always fluctuate Raw number six number five is smack down. Number four is a w W. number three is impact number to annex. T number one is NWEA Smitty until just for this week in general so overall privately. And that's what I'm talking about like the region said this week the reason. NWEA ANNEX COULD FLIP FLOP. Week to week is because of what you gave me right and granted right now. NWEA's give give me a pay per view coming up on Saturday and gave me a great fucking season finale of NWEA power. But it doesn't put it this fuck man even Adam Cole with his. You're you're just a GIF. Line line to Keith. Lee was amazing. Because it's so good it's because he is right analysis and so many it's mean bills Komo paycheck my bills and this and it's fucking great man in his fucking great so again. That's why that would fluctuate actuate we if I did this We what am I enjoying the most week to week. That's why those top two can go. I mean it's time for maybe impact our AWA possibly move But that's why those who are just flopping week to week because that just house it goes but I'm not trying to get a week to week grading system. I just want to know what you're enjoying most overall starting six ex I would have to agree that raw smackdown on six five of three missing four. I mean four. Well actually. I'm saying I'm saying three because it's still up for me right now. I'm still fluctuating between six and eight. W legs legs Tie Yes that's why it's a tight that's what we have to. I would have said one and two or ties. No you can't number four as I still. I'm still having trouble choosing between power not powered by dynamite in the NFC right and you you have to pick one for For the rest of Your Life Smitty I'll exceed and and I'm still. I'm still like I'm used to this point. I'm still enjoying an see and like this is just small little stuff like just like you say. Nothing's perfect in this industry a dynamite. Because it's still kind of it's still fresh is all you what two two and a half months in now in this they have grow. But I'm still like what I'm seeing I'm having problems with some of the ranking stuff and number to will be power is the simplicity of power keeps me intrigued into it and Number one would have to be impact. Wrestling does not wanna few things. I go out of my way to watch You say you weren't in mostly invested into animals investing impact because I'll sat and watched the time when it was complete trash in Washington where it's come from there and Some stuff that they're doing like I'm always impressed with the women over there. I'm impressed what they do it. To make our town of the way they carry their stories and The way built it or pay reviews. They actually have long-term stories. Stories are going to these papers views and somebody stories go after pay per views and like I'm just one hundred percent vested and I'm mostly mostly among the best in the characters story even if they're not as okay maybe we'll listen. What what did you the person next week? Or as good and they they spread out their talent very well throughout their weekly shows So impact. Probably my my my I wanted wrestling. The is the best restaurant out there right now. I I can't put impact out there yet because I don't think it's fair to them because watching number six's impact you have with with an asterix because you have asked yeah But I will say hey this I think I'm gonNA start watching it and when I can do is I can. DVR And watch it on my phone come. My lunch breaks at work. Even if it takes me two or three days to watch it. I'll watch it okay. So we'll put them at six number five would be raw number six going backwards back to IMPAC back number. Five is we're off for would be smackdown. I was pretty high A. W. I've I've been coming down from that high recently I still I still really enjoy it. I still am very much invested in the product. I'm a huge fan. But I'd have to put them at number three AT X T would be number two and I would have to give and W. a. a number one spot because for me. I don't know if it's only because it's an hour long. Maybe if it's two hours I wouldn't feel the same but they can't really do they don't they. Don't do anything wrong for me I love all their promos. I love the characters. I love the matches I love everything about it and I missed. I missed this week but I'm going to go back and watch it and like you said for me to look at that pay per view even if I have to pay twenty-five to look at and like yeah I want to watch that your eanet card hard earlier and I was like yeah. I want to see that I want I want I want. I want to see it. And it's not I I don't have to I want to And I want to seapower on a weekly basis. So that's why I would put it at number one St. They're still the thing here and there that I'm not like overly crazy about but for me power start to finish every show. I'm like totally invested. Not Looking at anything in a weird way like. I wish they didn't do that or yeah I think they could do that different or so. That's why they would be in my number one spot number one spot skiing brock doc. I wanted to end on that. I know it's a quick show for everyone today. Obviously the is. You can hear when we're talking. There's some sniffling we're not feeling the best in the fucking fucking world. Plus Committee has to work a little bit later tonight. I didn't want to do a full two hour show this week just because we're coming off that we're trying to feel better. We're trying to get her own fucking bearings and stuff. I like that but again anyone who's listened anyone who's watched we really fucking appreciate guys because you guys are spectacular every fucking one of you love. You WanNa send a major shot out you know. We had our black Friday through cyber Monday. Deal going on and breaking down the Ring Dot Com. Go to get any of the march and we were giving up. 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Change The Universe - Jericho's Journey From WWE To AEW

Talk Is Jericho

1:05:14 hr | 1 year ago

Change The Universe - Jericho's Journey From WWE To AEW

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You Chris Jericho is now the all end with all league wrestling, we're going to change the universe baby. Ricco? Recall. Ricco? All right. So I think this is probably the five hundred twenty fifth episode of talk is Jericho something on those lines over five years, and this is the only solo show of ever done. I've always said great guests always had lots of shows in the can never been stuck without show except for today. I wanted to do is show based on the news that everybody's talking about. Which of course, is the fact that I am now in all elite wrestling, and I mean, wow, sheen a lot of people are surprised by it. I knew kind of take the world by storm that it would be something that would make a lot of people turn their heads that a lot of people would. I think what happened. How did this happen? No more debit of ES still a lot of people ask me if I'm gonna end up in the Royal rumble. No, I will not be in the Royal rumble as a surprise entrance, which I wouldn't have been anyways. I did that a couple of years ago. I believe it's two thousand twelve two thousand thirteen where dolph Ziglar came to the ring and said, hey, is there anybody out there? I'm to challenge anybody out there to come into the ring, and it was me, and it was a legit surprise. And that's kind of when I started the whole let's see if I can surprise people and keep people in the dark as to what actually Jericho is doing. And that's kind of what happens this week when I ended up on on on on the big rally as the surprise guest is the surprise signing, which was great, you know, there's over thousands of people in the parking lot. We know this because we print it out a thousand eighty w towels which people then took and there were we ran out of all those. So there was over a thousand people there. There's a couple of problems with the rally on. Line when it was being broadcast. Obviously, we didn't have a lot of great sound as far as the crowds being might and didn't show a lot of the overall crowd shots. I mean if you put a drone in there would have been amazing couple of drone shots. But anyways, the point is that it's exciting. And it is something that could only have happened with immense timing and happen stance. And that's basically what went down. So might as well start from the start. How did Chris Jericho end up in all the wrestling? And in a lot of people are quoting me by saying I mentioned that I said in an interview years ago that I would never go to the W never work anywhere in the states other than the WWE. And that was the case that was very much the truth. When all of this started, basically, what happened was I finished up with the WB believe it was in may of two thousand seven. Eighteen and that's when I ended up losing the US, titled Kevin Owens, I beat him at the pay per view. Which one was he gets probably know more than I do and the next night on hold a second. So I won the title which jumped me to smack down and then Tuesday night smackdown. I ended up losing the title of Kevin Owens gave me the big injury angle. And that was the end of it for Chris Jericho, and I left I went right on the road with Fauzi where we. Had a great tour Judas did bigger than we ever expected. It would do and just grew grew and grew and grew and the band continued to grow and grow and grow. And that meant that I'd be doing a lot of touring over the the next, you know, we didn't know at the time nine months, twelve months and to being nineteen months that we were on tour, and that was just an indication of like I said how pop of the band was. And I didn't have a lot of time to be working with the WB are wrestling in general. So as a result, I just stopped wrestling. And that was that was kind of how how you have to do this. If you're going to be wrestling, or if you're going to be in Fosse, you can't do both at the same time. It's gotta be one or the other. So the days of juggling. These sort of things is long gone. It's one or the other. And that's how I based the. Entire kind of projection of my career at that point in time. So meanwhile, meanwhile, back at the ranch, the ugly duckling learned to dance little David Lee Roth there, I got a call from Don callous in the summer of two thousand seventeen pitching the idea. What would you think about doing a match versus Kenya? Mehta at the Tokyo dome. And I thought about it. And I was thinking, you know, it's very intriguing to me. And what are the reasons why can't they make is the hottest guy in the business someone I'd love to work. But he only works in new Japan. I'm Chris Jericho. I I work in Debbie. And when I'm not in WB, it'll work at all I hadn't I hadn't stepped foot in another ring that wasn't sanctioned by the WB or a of earring since August of nineteen ninety nine here. We are like I said in June of seventeen and Don was like, do you think it can happen? Of course, it can happen. I'm under contract to anybody. And I just thought how cool would it be to have a main event at the Tokyo dome of Kenya? Mega from Winnipeg versus Chris Jericho from Winnipeg that was compensated by Don CAL's from Winnipeg. And also it really intrigued me because it was a a match that I knew people thought could never happen. And that was right around the time that may whether and McGregor was happening. Another so-called. No never before seeing that never will be again fight the did huge numbers. So yeah, I signed off on the idea of it. And we started negotiating, and and got hooked up with the new Japan people and had a catalyst in mean Campbell Stein candlestick, which I wanted us meeting in New York that the royalty in hotel. They're kind of in the darkness of the bar area. And kind of came to terms on what we wanted to do for the deal, or at least at least put together the idea of it, which is just going to be a one off match Jericho versus candy at the dome in and out. That's it took a couple more weeks. Maybe a month or two to put together the deal. Also, the better the buyer eight did the more people that came to the Tokyo dome. I got you know, I got a piece of that as well. So we really made sure to put my money where my mouth is in the fact that I thought this would be a match that would make big money because no one had ever seen it. So that's basically how it went. And then once the deal was done, I made a call to Vincent, man. I remember we were on tour with Fosse. I think it was. Early October November at this point in time, we're in Wilkes Barre Pennsylvania playing a kind of a hotel ballroom. You guys they're known. I'm talking about. And we always have VIP at three thirty. I told him we'd have to move back to four because I had a call with Vince at three thirty, and I told Vince McMahon I was going to go work this match at the Tokyo dome for new Japan pro wrestling, and he was very. Very accommodating very excited about it. And thought, you know, what's even if you're working for new Japan? Everyone knows that you're w guy, and I was like, you know, it's just gonna make a bigger star. When I come back. So we signed off on it like gentlemen, and that was the end of it. So started went to Tokyo in December attack. Kenya? Mega then January for the Tokyo dome. Oliver so mega Jericho versus canny people said it's the best match Jericho's career five star match. Well, whether you thought it was the best of my career or not it was a great match and most importantly, it really drew. We've put an extra fifteen thousand people are ten thousand people tend to fifteen thousand people extra in the Tokyo dome that that weren't there the year before and more importantly subscriptions for new Japan. World went up forty percent from sixty thousand to one hundred thousand just based on that match alone. Huge hit and then something else happened. When I was there. I realized I really enjoyed the concept of new Japan. Being around the guys watching how everybody was doing things. The definite difference in freedom that you have being a new Japan nothing against WVU. But when you're the WB system, it's Vincent system. That's the way it works. You know, there's no there's no if ands or buts about it. This is the boss. He tells you what he wants you to do if there's something else that you want to do in lieu of that you have to go talk to him and get it approved or disapprove, new Japan was a little bit more wild west. You were given kind of an outline of what? Gaito and the rest of the office of new Japan wants you to do. And then you follow that. And if you know, if you if you have some ideas along the way, we don't really have to get them approved. I really kind of enjoyed that calling my own angle and kind of thinking you've everything, you know, it was introduced with the video at one of the shows under secrecy, which blew people's minds. And then once again out of the shadows, attacking Kenny omega believe it came from behind the from through the crowd attacked him. And people were surprised by that then leading to the match and a couple of days before the match we went to Tokyo, and as we were going over the match took Gaito aside and said, listen, I'd like to do something New Year's dash the next night because I really wanna do more here. My idea was to do some of the town hall. She gave does like no do something with Naito, which was great because NATO was the guy that was complaining about the fact that it was a double main event proclaiming that. He was the main event, I don't Okada. We went on kind of the domain of right before them Jericho omega had all the focus and we had the better match. So that pissed him off. And then I surprised attacked him New Year's dash, and then left I had no deal with new Japan. Did that one count it as a freebie as goodwill gesture we'll put together a deal later on in the year when I come home. I get a call from Vince asking me, what happened why tact NATO I thought it was just a one off. And I said, well, it is just a one off for now. I might do more with new Japan. If I do I'll definitely let you know because I want to run everything past you, make sure you're cool with it. And if nothing else at least, I left Japan with my heat nothing ever happens with being Naito, at least I left with my heat. So it took a couple of months after that to put together another deal ended up signing a three match deal with new Japan. And that's run the time that Vince had called me to come back to do the raw twenty fifth anniversary show, which I didn't wanna do. He called me and asked me if I would do it is. So I don't want to go to the ring. I want to be backstage only set. Absolutely did something with Elias. And then he called me again to do the Saudi Arabia show, the grass greatest Royal rumble ever, which I wasn't too keen on. But then he made an offer for one match that was ridiculous. I'd say definitely in my top ten maybe my top six or seven or eight biggest payoff ever to do one match in Saudi Arabia, which was a little bit of a hassle the the trip. The airport was was was hard to get in and out of. And I mean, I sat there all day. And I ended up at number fifty and did, you know? Three minutes. But the original plan was for me to work against undertaker in a casket match Vince called me and asked me if I wanted to do it, and I was like absolutely love to do it. And then a week later. I finalized the deal with new Japan, and I called and it's L him ham doing three more matches with new Japan. And this was a little bit less of a positive response than I had gotten from him before. Because now he was a little bit more apprehensive, obviously, three matches is a lot more and new Japan is on access TV and anybody that has TV in the United States is competition prevents for the WB. But I was doing it. I got a great deal. And I wanted to get really enjoyed being back in Japan. And I didn't have time to come back to WB sound like I was I was besmirching. Trademark William regal the WVU for new Japan. We were touring so much Fosse that three matches over the course of the of the year was basically all the time that I had because every with every match I had to go do an angle as well. So I took eight trips to Japan from December of seventeen to January of eighteen there was four matches and four setup slash angles. So I could tell that Vince is a little bit concerned about it. And then. Three hours later. I get a text that I'm out of the gasket match and that Roussev is backing because Russia was ru seven hundred acre then it was undertaker Jericho. Then it got switched back to Roussev and undertaker and one I asked Vince, why said well because the prince wants the of undertaker match, and I'm thinking, you know, no offense to anybody. But I think the Jericho taker matches much bigger, and then I started realizing, of course, I was pulled from the match because why would I get a spotlight match where let's face it. Take Jericho we would've stole the show. Nobody could have stopped us casket match or not. We would have had the best match on the show. And I completely guarantee that I don't even remember what I think seen a in hunter on the show and a couple of people. But just knowing me knowing acre in the chemistry that we have and the fun that we have it would have been one of the best matches on the show. So why give Jericho who's now contract to would Vince considers to be a rival faction arrival company, why give me a spot? Light match where I can steal the show and people are gonna worse gerege, it'd be next and it's new Japan pro wrestling. So that's fine. But it was something that kinda was like, okay. A little bit of. All right. Cool. So then June. I go and win the Intercon championship from NATO had a great match with him and won a title and about four three or four weeks later. I pitched the idea to Vince called him. I'd love to do an intercontinental champion versus champion match it summer, slam Jericho versus Seth Rollins. And Vince once again was well, I don't know how that would work. And can we do it? And I was like herald as the new president of new Japan, he wants to expand bet you we could figure something out. And this is something that happened all the time in the seventies and early eighties with WBZ Bruno Sammartino was always going to new Japan via WB and Andre the giant and STAN Hansen. They're having talent trays with tiger mask and dynamite. Kid. It was. That happened all the time HOGAN hulk HOGAN, did it. So I thought maybe it'd be something cool in this danger. We can do whatever we want. And there's those thing is just Debbie or just new Japan. Why don't we give the fans that dream match? Like was it a double main event of Rawlins versus Jericho titled versus title. And you don't even have to have a winter. You know, do a cheap finished. But do it in a cool way where whoever Rawlins's working with next? Let's say Stroman comes down and destroys me and destroys Rollins and puts me through a table, or whatever I mean in Rawlins attacks at the end, they brought out of the crowd and set up the rematch for the next pay per view. Whatever maybe there's a way out of it. Never heard back made the call pitch the idea never heard back. Okay. So before I explain how the Chris Jericho rock and wrestling raider at sea fits into this whole story in my decision to sign with eighty w let me say, thanks to a brand new sponsor who's making Valentine's Day super easy for me. And for all you this year, and they can do the same for everybody. It's Steven Singer jewelers. Okay. 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And my idea was always to hire. A wrestling company to take care of all the rest of them that way, I don't have to worry about booking it. And I don't have to worry about who's available and who's injured and who's going to this company, and that company my regional pitch was to annex t they passed a ring of honor agreed. So then I start getting a little bit closer with the young bucks with Cody Rhodes because their in ring of honor. And now they're going to be on the cruise, and they add to agree to it. You know, would you guys mind coming to the cruise I really need you and the bucks were the first ones to sign up, and they were like the first advertised act that I had followed by Cody very early on. So then we started group text with all of us. Can't he's on it as well. Because then I invite Canis not with ring of honor. But he he's coming from an outside source. And now we become we're becoming friends obviously, candy number friends. Had a great match. Whatever you have a great match with somebody it really kind of solidifies your your relationship together. And. You know, we were group texting we're becoming friends making jokes laughing talking about the cruise all this different stuff. And. This star here about this guy called Tony Kahn on this was brought to me about to my tension. By my manager. Barry bloom, there's a guy who wants to start a new company. He's family's very wealthy. He's the owner of the Jacksonville Jaguars. And he wants to talk to you. And I'm like, okay, cool. Whatever I mean, you know, you hear this stuff all the time guys wanna start companies, and then they don't and it's false alarms or it's a big scam. Or I'm thinking of her Abrahams, and I'm thinking of global wrestling and Houston, and hit all these different SWS was a big company that opened in Japan in the nineties that was started by I think, it was the Mugu may I glass company, and so there's all of these the it's a get rich quick scheme. You know, just just get into wrestling and start a company it's not that easy to start a company. But meanwhile, I'm like for the first time ever thinking. Well, maybe I'll talk to him. And who knows right? Who who knows what might possibly happen? I'm not going to work there. But maybe I can use it as, you know, negotiations or give some advice, or whatever it may be because around that time. I'd also called the Astra family in Manitoba that own impact and told them to basically hire, Don. And Scott d'amore get out of the business. You know, you need to hire these guys not because I wanted to go to impact because I want the business to continue to thrive. So yeah, I'll talk to Tony Connor or you talk to Tony berry and see what he has to say. And you know, it's it's probably nothing. But at least it might be something good for the business. Something good for the boys. Something good for the fans anytime, you have more options and more choices. It's good for everybody involved. Right. So then I do think with Naito, and then we're touring with fuzzy. And I don't know where I hear about all in and all in is. Of course, the Cody, Cody, the, Cody, and the bucks coating the bucks decide that they're going to do their own show based on kind of a handshake bet that I don't think Dave Meltzer even knew about. But he was told that it was his fault that he said they couldn't draw ten thousand people they took that as a as a challenge and lo and behold, they sell ten thousand tickets or whatever it wasn't thirty minutes. Good for them. These are my friends now, they're all on the cruise. Cody contacts me is there any chance you could do anything at all in. I'm like, dude, we gotta falsies show that night new way. Could even do it. You know and code even prefaces by saying, I know that piper doesn't work in Portland. Which is the great thing is Roddy piper. When he was in the WB, even though he lived in Portland. He never he never would work done Owens piper. Doesn't work in Portland. Just because I'm home in Portland. Don't call me. And once again, I'm not going to work in the states only for Vince McMahon. But then I started thinking about what I'm going to do when I come back. I see that WB signs this billion dollar deal. Two billion dollar deal for for TV for television for for two thousand nineteen. And then there's another example of. You know, Vince calling me and asking me to go to Saudi Arabia again. And I'm like, why gotta show I might be able to make it. But I don't know if I could make it and he him saying like, you know, I really need you. I said, well, if I have a show Asaka, so I could technically do the show. But I would need to take a private jet to Asaka could do the show and leave. It was re add whatever it was and then fly straight to Asaka how much getting paid. So we'll get back to you. He didn't same thing. As when you guys know the story told you about when he called me to do this surprise thing of Shane McMahon. Couldn't work at wrestlemainia. I was gonna fly directly from the Fauzi gig to New Orleans, it'd be Daniel Bryan's mystery partner against Kevin owns and Sammy's Zane. I said sure let me know and they never got back. So he would call me for this things. Never get back to you. And this I know he's a busy guy. But the more times you don't get a call back. The more times you think well, it must not be a big deal. So when Cody asked me about all in I I said, no one would you have in mind, and we came up with the idea what's Kenny vs. Pentagon would if you attack Kenny after the match kind of to promote the crews where we were doing the big six-man rematch, which was course, was the bucks of Jericho. Matt naked myself versus the bullet club. The last match the bullet club. Which is Cody Kenny and Marty about integration of the bully club. And then Nick Jackson the idea of instead of just running in. Why don't you dress up as Pentagon do the double Switzer ruined then attack them? So that's how we did that there's been a whole podcast about that. How I flew to Chicago from Little Rock and then did the match and then flew back to Kansas City to do the fuzzy gig that night on a private plane, which was provided by Tony Kahn. That's something. I never told anybody before Tony Kahn provided that jet. Also, we happened to have a fuzzy gigging, Jacksonville, Florida around that same time, maybe a week before a couple of weeks before or might have been a week after sometime around then that's what I had a meeting with Tony Kahn for four hours and really got a chance to get to know this guy and hear what is thoughts and hear what he wants to do with this company and hear hear what he's thinking. And what he's feeling, and that's when I realized this guy really wants to do this. And does he have any? Previous experience running a wrestling company. No does the president of the United States the last two had inexperienced in politics. No. But what they both have all three of them had his passion and experience with business, and Tony and his father have never run a wrestling company, but they own the Jacksonville Jaguars NFL is entertainment. It's sports entertainment as well. They own the Fulham of f c in London the Fulham football club with the Premier League. Although they might drop this. They don't you know, this is a big deal in Europe in England to own the football club. That's in London that's show business. So they have a lot of elements and a lot of acumen when it comes to to running big businesses involved with athletics, and entertainment and providing entertainment for their fans, and that's when I really got to figure that out. And then we started talking, you know, possible offers in the center of the thing and the original offer that game in was like, it blew my mind. Like what like this is a real almost like an NHL. L level offer which I'd never gone before. But I also know that with the money that WB has that they could probably match it if they want to if they really feel that they need to. So then you start thinking negotiating and all this sort of thing as time creeps on after. All in kind of the shots were fired the Jericho said he'd never worked in other states. But now he did and that was done as a message to WB letting them know that ham out here still causing waves, no pun intended. But I'm going to do things the way I want to do things. And then the crews comes that's a huge hit. We have a great match alpha clover was bullet club. And I realized that these guys are really good and fun to work with that pay per view goes up on fight TV that draws some numbers. And now, I'm like, I really am enjoying what I'm doing here every match that I've had has been an excellent match. Kenny, Naito evil was a fun one. You know, the cruise match and then all the way up to the Tokyo dome. This year. Do I really want to go back to WB? If I go back to WB, what am I going to be doing their, you know, what what what's? What's the what kind of an angle would? I have how high up on the card would I be? 'cause it was fun. You know, being double main event every show main event in kind of having all this, focus and all this attention. You know? You know, who would have expected it back in two thousand fifteen when I was basically just doing how shows for WB, but with a combination of reinvention, and creativity and work with some opponents. Suddenly, Chris Jericho's name value is maybe even bigger than it's ever been. And so I really want to really want to focus in on this and pay off with it financially creatively fulfilling, you know, what I wanna do. And that's when we really started getting into kind of the nitty gritty of what is what am I going to do where do I want to go? You know, do I wanna stay just with new Japan, which I would've gladly have done a really enjoyed working with new Japan. And there's a lot of plans a lot of great matches. I can have their Tallahassee Okada Suzuki Osprey Bucci all those guys versus Jericho would be great matches and moneymaking matches as well. Do I want to go back to? B but it's possible. If I do go back, you know, kind of what's going to happen where it's going to be slaughtered. I mean Jericho versus Kevin Owens was probably the best angle on the show the year that we did it. And then we the payoff was at wrestlemainia where we're the second match on the card. I thought that was very low on the card. I thought I should have been a lot higher for the amount of TV time in the mount of interest that we have. I mean when you put something number two at wrestlemainia. It doesn't matter how great the matches you can tell it's not really a focused upon one. Also, there was a character change when I first did the Tokyo match Kenny there was the lighter jacket and the sparkley tights. But my character was so psycho, I didn't think that that really fit anymore. And that's when I need some long pants and. You know, maybe the hat the hat was a good idea. Because when I attacked a NATO, I did it under a mask and the guy wears a mask that I stole it from had black lipstick and black island. And when I took the mask off I looked like Ozzy and the diver madman album cover, and I thought I liked that vibe. It's kind of a clockwork orange Alice Cooper, Ozzy Osbourne. Art, the clown from terrify are kind of creepy type of thing, and that's the hat came from. And then, you know, the leather jackets, and then suddenly the paint is on there. And now, there's a whole different character and to go back to the deputy and be expected to be, you know, Chris Jericho the list guy. I didn't know if I would really fit either because that's really not where I'm at anymore as well. I change in my mind so much and once again, if I go back to the don't have the list, some people might be angry, then there was impact. I gotta tell you guys, man. I've been really impressed by impact over the past year. I thought Don cows and Scott d'amore have really turned things around in that company, and I really really enjoy it. And I thought long and hard about doing some shows though, I even had a meeting with Scott, dawn in Toronto and EDNA are home the offer. They made was a great offer that some of this funny when I hear like, you know, all these companies are vying for the for the talent for the free agents WB eighty W Ray Avante or new Japan, and somebody mentioned m-l w dude what about impact they've got money. They were going to spend some money on Chris Jericho with some great matches plans Jericho versus Sammy Callahan. Maybe or or with Jani impact, Brian cage. Rich Swann I'd love to work with rich Swann. So I did honestly talk to impact and really really thought about going there. And then Tony Kahn came in with this offer. That's you know, the biggest offer I've. Ever been offered in my career. And then you have to stop and think, okay. If you're going to get this offer, then you know, you're going to have some real focus as big as the bucks, and Cody are hangman page as some steam and all the guys that were kind of earmarked to go to all elite. Even if Jenny went there he hasn't gone there yet. But what if you did? So there's a lot of different ways that can go here. And when when you Tony kind of puts the money where the mouth is now, I'm like, well, I really have to think if you know, do I really wanna make this jump and it's a little bit hard because I've worked for WB for nineteen years. Love the WB, but I put myself into Chris Jericho shoes back in one thousand nine hundred ninety eight when I was contemplating leaving WCW and thinking how much further can I go in WW under these rules under these? Conditions that arose. The probably can't go much farther. Just the way that it was. I mean, I might have been able to. But it was I wasn't ever really earmarked to be a top guy there and after working on it for three years with Debbie coming in once again, putting the money where the mouth is and not just the money. But the the the ideas and the attitude in the excitement it wasn't hard for me to step away from W w and go to WB. I mean, it was hard in some ways from from a legal standpoint in kind of a clerical standpoint. But from a passion, desire and fire standpoint, it was an easy decision. So I put myself in those shoes, you know, could I walk away from the WB and go-to all elite wrestling, a brand new company that doesn't even own a wrestling ring at this point as far as I know, and after some some introspection dancer was yes, I can do this. Because what AWS doing is? They're showing me respect. And they're showing me that they have a lot of expectations for me. Like the cart is on my back. I have to do great work, and I have to go the extra mile to help make this work in WB. It doesn't matter. What I do. It's still going to be WB in Asia. W it does matter what I do. And I have to be my best, and I have to really use my thirty years or twenty nine years of experience to help build this company. And that was exciting to me. It's like I said in the in the press conference at the rally, I said, I didn't do this for the money. I mean, the money's great don't get me wrong. But I did it for for the chance to do something different for the chance to be to be challenged. And that to me is why still wrestle. It's one of the reasons why I love being in new Japan is I was challenged there. And it was expected to be great. And if I wasn't there's too many great guys would have overcome like, I was laughing just reading the observer. This week where they give the rundown at the Tokyo dome and before the do match everyone's like, well, what's going to be the best match on the show, there might be five or six potential matches of the year, this one that one this one that one, of course, you know, Jericho and Naito will probably be good. Of course, it's going to be a good last time. I was not mentioned in the top four or five. It was like kind of a honorable mentioned. I was like, you know, what this you wait and see don't ever put your cards against Jericho. And now all the pundits. And critics are saying it was the best match on the show or the second best match of the show or one of the favorite show. And I'm like, you know, it's Chris Jericho here. I always have an idea of what I wanna do and nine times out of ten. It's good. So why would you put me in the after thought category? If like this one is going to be great. And this one could steal the show. This will be a match to the euro and the Jericho one probably good to know. It's not how it works. That's one of expected to do a new Japan because I have to if not there's too many of the guys that they're going to steamroll me same thing with all eat wrestling. I have to do the best job. I can't because if not. Our company's not going to get off the ground. It's not I'm expected to be the best Chris Gerald who I can be. And I don't give a damn if I'm forty eight years old in the ring, I'm better than I was when I was twenty eight better than it was when thirty eight you know, my conditioning is great. I feel great ideas. Great. My creativity is great. So I don't I don't buy that. I go see the stones Jagger is still the best front man in the world. Not for a seventy five year old man for anybody. He's Mick Jagger. And so that's why I was brought into a w for for the offer that I got in for the the amount of focus and potential and all that sort of stuff that I'm going to have on me. Okay. So before I continue until what happened with the WB when I told Vince McMahon about my offer from eight W A. Let me tell you this. I'm ready if another hurricane should ever rule through Tampa. And that's thanks to a new sponsor wise foods, you guys are the hurricane special last year. We were stuck in the house at danger of the power going out and all the food. Going bad. Well, it's not going to happen with wise foods because they make simple affordable freeze dried food for emergency. Preparedness outdoor use and the food tastes amazing. I know I just had some of the peaches today. Pull them out of the out of the box. 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A thank you a couple of the things were discussed where both of our size were happy with the with the Rangers that we made in the end the kind of the closure that we got you know, vista man is my friend. I mean, I respect him so much. He's helped me a lot. And we've made each other a lot of money and most importantly, like I said, we're friends. So the last thing I wanted to do if I was going to leave the deputy was do it as a as a screw job. Or as a as a stabbing in the back. You know, I didn't want that. I never wanted. It the whole time. I would always told. Vincent. I was doing. And he knew he knew before anybody else that I was going to wrestling. And once again, once I go there, I'm gone. And so there was a big brouhaha in the past few days of people saying, oh it soon as Jericho appeared at the rally. He was put from the active roster to the alumni on the WB website. Why wouldn't I be I'm not in the WB anymore? I am w alumni a proud of WB alumni. But why would I still be on the active roster, smacktalk? I'm not there anymore. You know, this is a three year exclusive deal with the exception of new Japan, which I still intend to work with. You know, we have. We don't have anything set in stone. But we're working on it. But other than that, I'm not working anywhere else. I can't contract contractually. Nor would I want to. It's a w all the way. And the other thing was people were saying that I was taken out of the then now and forever video at the beginning of smack than Univar once again, why wouldn't I be why would you promote somebody on your show that's working for another show? That's obvious. That's that's business. I would be surprised if I still was in the video it's the same reason why Vince took me out of the match against undertaker in Saudi Arabia the casket match. Why would you put me in a casket spotlight match when two weeks later, I'm going to be on access TV in the main event of the Asaka Rena show versus Naito? So I get that. You know, it doesn't bother me at all. It's the way it should be. But once again, we can all hold our heads up high and realize that we did things the right way as the way, it should be no ill feelings. No ill will no talking shit behind each other's backs. It might happen. But not on my end. I love the WB respected over to be. They go through ups and downs creatively and stylistically and character wise, but it's the it's the biggest and company in the world. You're not going to beat it. But we don't want to beat the deputy. We're not we're not planning on that. That's not the mindset of a w the mindset is to provide an option alternative for wrestling fans. Something that you haven't seen before haven't seen in a while. And when you see the roster that we have already knowing that we're going to be adding more to it. I think it's very exciting. And it was very exciting for me to come back from the Tokyo dome this year, I got back Sunday. Night. I signed my contract Monday morning. What's a video of it? And send it to my dad, and he was very excited about it. And then it's time to go to the rally. So my wife, Jessica, and I we go to Jacksonville, we get there. Once again, it's going to be a secret. Nobody knew I was there clued in the boys the bucks, and Cody and Tony knew I was there that was about it. You know, the the rally happens and all of these cool things go down and all these people appear and pock aka Neville shows up as a surprise. And we've got a lot of really interesting ideas and thought process, and there's a lot of people there and kind of explain what aid is going to be. And then right when Conrad Thompson comes and he's finished up, and he's ready to end the press conference. Suddenly, the music place and. Outcomes Jericho, and it was funny because Conrad had to stall because they weren't playing the music. But finally was ready when they finally got the the music set, the it starts and here comes Jericho to the ring to the stage, and it's very crazy because I walk on the stage, and they set up all this pyro and all of this Moke and people like if I wondering. Either. Could it be or what is this music or why are they playing fuzzy? And then they realized here's Chris Jericho. And my thing was what do I should wear leather pants leather jacket or should we're like, no I'm gonna go there like like a hot like a high highly signed highly touted free agents in a football team or a NHL team or something along those lines wearing a suit sunglasses coming out there. Looking like I want to look feeling like I wanna feel looking like star. Like, gene Simmons says always look like a star. And when I came out there people went nuts. They really did. Because I don't think anyone really believed that I would actually sign with a w and once I did like I said, it legitimizes the company now, it's not just a bunch of quote, unquote. Indie geyser international stars. Now. Chris Jericho is here. You know, one of the biggest stars in WB right now. If I went back there, you know, and I didn't go back there. I came to a w and suddenly we have some some real news. You know, and the coolest thing was I did a little speech. And I said once again, the things that I said, if I know the street, but if you had to buy a ticket for it, you could take that ticket and put it in a frame and stick it on the wall as a souvenir of the night that Awa began we just things doing different level. My name is Chris Jericho, and I'm all in with all the wrestling. I'm not here to change the world. I'm here to change the universe. Is there a little irony in the words that of course, there is change the universe, right? And then after that, I say, my speech, and I want to say changed the universe. That's the cue for the pyro to go off and do the pyro that they had was wrestlemainia worthy. Pyro at the top of the Jacksonville state him. I mean, they were shooting off this pyro, and it was so loud. And so long, I was howling. Because in a bit of Quincy. Not really sure there was no coincidence behind. It w smackdown happens to be literally across the parking lot at the arena in Jacksonville. And of course, they know we're going to be there. I don't do. I I'm sure they didn't know I was going to be there. I didn't tell anyone I didn't tell Vince was going to be there. Just like he didn't tell me he was gonna take me out of the intro of the show. Now, we made our our we said goodbyes, we we shook hands proverbially. And now it's time to go to war right, go to business. And I know when the when that when that pyre where was going off those fireworks that were going officer ventures like damn it was just shut dot pyro off. I'm trying to do a meeting. I was just envisioning him. Just getting. Angry at this pyro just shooting shooting shooting kind of made me laugh. But there you go at once the Pyros done. Everyone knows Chris Jericho's there. And then here comes the deluge of press, and of you know, everybody's got a comment on everyone's got a theory on it. And then we're on CBS sports, and we're on FOX, and we're number one on Twitter, and we've got, you know, a seven hundred fifty thousand people watching the rally, and now we're often running now, it's real now eighty wsa thing and the after party after the rally was the thing as well at the stadium in Jacksonville before I tell you all about that. And some of the other talent that's already signed Awa got a full roster. 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There's an infrastructure behind the scenes, and it's exciting because there's a lot of people that are doing their certain jobs for the very first time. Now, you might think all these guys are to green to know how to be an executive vice president or how to be, you know, the head of talent relations or or the head of business marketing or the head of merchandise. Hey, Vince McMahon in one thousand nine hundred two hundred eighty three whenever was over the WB that was his first chance to run a wrestling company. Never done it before. So like politics where you work and run the local wrestling company and then run the state wrestling company, and then get into the congress wrestling companies and then become the president. No, you're going in their gold. And we've got the Kahn family shod end. Tony who like I said earlier know how to run big business. Know how to put on a show entertainment NFL? Like, I said, you gotta be you. Gotta be good to be able to a football team that successful and that draws people. And then he got coding, the bucks is executive vice presidents. I mean, what do they know? What are they know Cody walked away from the WB because he thought he could do more and create this international star for himself and to now, he's running a company guess who else? Ran a wrestling company. His father dusty Rhodes, and Cody is dusty son through and through. It's in his jeans, young bucks. What do they know about running wrestling company? Those two are the first guys that started the whole revolution. The first guys that said, we don't have to go to the big leagues, quote, unquote. We don't have to sign a contract we want to do things the way we want to do things we're going to we're going to create our own image. We're going to create our own opportunities. We're going to create our home merchandise. They they got into hot topic and made made Owl's of money on their own. They've been outside of the w system for years making big money seven figures, even so there are guys that know how to start a revolution. And whether this will be the next EC w or the next WCW or the next Tony Condello WFW. We don't know. But all the pieces are in place. You've got young creative minds. You've got backing that can go a long way you've got. Got some some serious minds for the business. You've got so momentum. You've got some a list talent half of which America hasn't really seen on the big screen. You know, the television screen, and then you've got Chris Jericho the one that everyone knows heavy wrestling fan of Chris Jericho is oh my gosh. Jericho's resting there. Let's check it out. That's the theory. That's the idea. You know, and we didn't announce everything at the rally. We now's double or nothing may twenty fifth in Las Vegas grander MGM grand arena. We know Chris Jericho announced pock we'll go through the roster and a second of who's been signed so far there's other surprises coming people like, well, we didn't get the TV announcement. Well, I know that there's negotiations that been running deep on the TV for months and months and months, and there are big TV stations. That's one of the reasons why I'm here. We're we're not here to go on an app and come check us out on channel seven hundred and forty five on the dirt bike channel. I mean, there's anything wrong with that. But this needs to be big. We've got the money. We've got the towel. We've got the momentum. We've got the creativity. Now, you need the television to match it. Everybody knows it. But once again, the Kahn family has a lot of steam a lot of context, and we have a lot of steam and a lot of contacts. And now when Tony goes into an executive meeting, and they say, well, who do you got with you, Chris Jericho, really, well, I know that guy. Well, let's sit down and talk at least, that's the theory. I believe there will be a very big television deal. That's going to be announced very soon and the roster's going to expand as well. We've already started with a great roster. But now it's time to build it. But we don't want to give all of our ducks away and all of our surprises away, shall we speak right off the bat, we've got a long way to go. Look who signed already Chris Jericho? That's me Cody Rhodes executive vice president Madge axon, Nick Jackson hangman page. I'll tell you what that's the guy was going to be a big star here. I can already I'm salivating at the chance to work with hangman. I don't think he even knows it if he's this podcast. Yeah. You wait and see brother. All right. How about Chris Daniels? Frankie kazarian Scorpio sky SCU, so than California uncensored, I don't know much about those guys because I didn't watch ring of honor. I saw them on my crews. I known Chris and Frankie. Forever and ever met Scorpio sky would a great tag team. They are a lot of people saying that the Washington generals for the the bucks and Cody now that be the Washington generals. They're going to be contributing, and they're all great brothers, and they all have experienced and know what to do and they're exciting. And once again, very fresh on the national scale never heard a Scorpio sky until I got a call from Cody saying you need to put Scorpio sky and your crews. I did he was a hit. He's another star. All right. That's the first guys right there, then Joey Janetta. Joys come out of nowhere. Hurt his leg. Really bad knee injury. But was Rakia real name from self doing? All these insane crazy things, you know, he'll probably do some of that here. If I ever worked with him. He won't be doing that. We're going to learn how to had to get over together. But he's already got over. He already runs his own shows around wrestlemainia joy Ellis spring break that sell out in minutes. It's another mover and a shaker maximal. Jacob Friedman m j f twenty two years old one of the hottest prospects in the in the world right now. And what a promo would a he'll what a great guy to put on there that no one has ever seen on the nationwide basis. How about pock Neville from W disappears from WB refuses to work for WB weights. His contract out then goes to dragon gate in Japan. I guess we lost them. No. He was there. Another great get love working with Neville think. He'd be a much bigger star than he wasn't WB as this heat. That's why he's here. Then something I thought was real genius that the the box found these guys from the oriental wrestling experience, I believe it is or your until wrestling wrestling federation or something along those lines. What happened was there was a company called, Tori? Among which was started by Yoshiro say and believe is called dragon gate. They started it. They used to be in WWE years ago. Doing all this revolutionary stuff went to Japan became big stars. And then left Japan and went to China. And it seems and it's L Lindemann is t hawk and it stuck here. Yamamura and these guys wants to get no one's hurting these guys with you, see them wrestle. It's like Cirque du Soleil type stuff, but it's okay to have that because you need diversity on a wrestling show. And no one's ever seen these guys before they're going to be movers and shakers they're going to be moneymakers as well. You wait and see. Then of course, we have the female wrestlers brandy roads. She's also the chief brand officer the chief brandy officer. What's the brand officer same thing? Stephanie McMahon does she's in charge of basically promoting the brand making people understand. We're just brandies smart. She she's got college education a lot smarter than I am bread Baker should dentist. Brit was one of the the performance at a great match at all in she signed. How about Penelope Ford huge fan of mail before? She did other great job at all. And so basically, you can see what's going on. Here is the new. That started with all in the buzz that started with all in and the performers that were involved in that impressed, so many people, and this is one of the reasons why there's gonna be some big television involved because. That turned a lot of heads sold a lot of merchandise. Pro wrestling tease, Ryan bargain has been on this show before and talk is Jericho. He's behind the merchandise as well. You got a lot of people. Like, I said there's a lot of these different moving cogs on the wheel of all these independent thinkers that have become successful on their own that are converging together here in a w now the roster has not even begun to be signed now more than ever. There's more opportunities for guys and WBZ sign up as many guys as they can, you know, a lot of companies are signing up as many guys that they can I don't think the idea for for for for all elitist assigned, fifty guys exclusive contracts. I think the idea is to use the guys that we want to use that are available in the right positions at the right time. Once again, it's January here when this podcast airs January. Fifteen sixty seventy whatever second third week of January our first show, isn't until may twenty fifth. It's four months away. It's a long time to get more ducks in a row. There's a lotta guys out there that haven't signed yet that that. I guarantee will be signed most importantly, you've got a brand new venture a brand new company all elite wrestling, and it's exciting for the first time since the WB bought WCW back in two thousand I think it was two thousand one you have a company that has more money than visit men that doesn't mean anything billionaires become billionaires by losing millions of dollars. But you do have to start somewhere you need to spend money to make money. That's been my verdict since I started even when I had no money, I still scrape together one hundred fifty bucks for the best costume. I can find even if I only had one hundred bucks in the Bank. But then I was known as the guy who had. Cool costumes, which gets you couple of extra bookings, which then you can use to put back into the business. That's what the cons are going to have to do. That's what all these going to. We're going to have to start and go through some money at first. But if we can continue the momentum. That was started with all in and is continuing through the rally in Jacksonville last week and take the alway Vegas if we sell own ten minutes for the Vegas show. Now, we've got some steam now we got some thunder. So it's exciting for me after twenty nine years of wrestling and the last nineteen of them. Well, S eighteen of them being Vincent man in the last year. Rocking at new Japan. And now to be taking this step away from the WB. It's like walking out of the walking out of your house. Like, I said, I'm an outlaw I'm a maverick. I'm a pariah. I like that pariah. Might use that more the pariah. Chris jericho? Why not right reinvention keep it fresh keep it clean? Keep it exciting. And that's what we got going on here. Somebody put up a graphic on Twitter of AWS Jericho. And I thought well, that's a great teacher. Let's put it up today. We had that up at the end of the rally, and it was like that's a recycled catchphrase. No, it's not a recycled catchphrase. It's my phrase, you know, rock of Jericho talk is Jericho raw is Jericho Monday night. Jericho? I did it. I all respect AWS Jericho was number one selling t shirt and perusing tease for the past week. And why wouldn't it be? It's a built in catchphrase looks cool the logo looks cool. When I see pictures of me at that rally standing on a stage in front of a logo that says all elite wrestling is that weird for me. Yes, it's weird. For me. I w w e tattooed on my rear end. But things change people change ideas. Change ambitions change goals change. And I'm excited. Is it weird to not be in the WB? Of course, it is w the biggest wrestling company in the world, am I gonna miss my brother's over the miss some of them alleged someone will be an e w within the next year. So I'm not going anywhere. I'm here for another three years. You know, what I'm gonna miss working for Vince McMahon. Of course, I love Vince. He's a genius, but we got some other geniuses, and you gotta take a chance, and you gotta make some moves. You can't rest on your laurels. I've never been that guy. I've always wanted to to revamp and change. I was wanting to be known as the David Bowie of wrestling. Boy, it was never the same album to album to album. The look changed the music change. But the singing was always Bowie the Beatles. The same thing Beatles, always evolving and changing never looked the same from album album music, changed constantly. That's what keeps it exciting. I want my set list always have new songs in it. I don't ever want to be an established act. I could go out there and be working. You know, whatever the community centers over the theaters or whatever and be saying, welcome to Roz Jericho or or doing a countdown or why Jay why don't you? Go gone. You want to chant. Why TJ when I'm out there? It was cool at the rally when I first came out people were chanting y. JJ? And then after that, they started chanting Jericho. Why did you is so twenty years ago? And it's such a w thing if you wanna chat, it go crazy, but it's not who I am anymore and to go back to that would seem like a sell out. I've got some people say, oh, you're sold out. Jericho? I did not sell out. I kept my creativity and my love for the business alive. How did not come to aid w had the opportunity not been here for me to come? They do I might not be wrestling anymore. Had not had the opportunity to go to new Japan and create the whole shape character that the clockwork orange Jericho. I don't know if they'd be wrestling anymore because the last thing I want to do is go in the ring and have people go. Wow. He used to be great. The moment when I think that I didn't have the best match in the show or the second best match in the show or a great match the best of my capabilities, I will be gone quicker than you can say Bander snatch which is a great movie, by the way, he got to see it. It's on that flex. Wellness this. I always love what I do all ever wanted to do was being a rock and roll band and be in the wrestling business. And they say if you enjoy what you do you'll never work a day in your life, and I haven't and I'm not going to start now. So I'm very excited to be a part of all leat wrestling at a see where it goes. It could end tomorrow it's not going to it could end a year from now it's not going to or maybe five years from now, we're a legit multimillion billion dollar wrestling company. That's toe-to-toe with WB. You never know. We could be going worldwide. We've always already had inquiries for inquiries or inquiries from Australia. Germany the UK. I mean, Tony Kahn. The confidently is based in London for gosh sakes. You don't think we'll be in London working? You don't think we'll be back in Japan going to Germany, Australia? New zealand. There's a lot of places for us to go. And I'm excited. I got a good crew guys. New groups of friends new opponents. You kidding me? Cody Rhodes versus Jericho what a match that would be. How about Cody and Jericho versus the bucks, although Gericault versus Matt Jackson Jericho versus Nick Jackson Gericault versus Adam page Jerko versus, you know, t hawk from OWI work with those guys. So a lot of great opportunities and fresh matches. I love Kevin Owens. I worked with them for a year and a half. I go back to w tomorrow. I'll probably end up in an angle with Kevin owns, and it's never going to be as good the second time as it was the first time this the first time I've been in a W. It's the first time AWS exists. And like I said, I'm not here to change the world. I'm here to change the universe. And it all starts may twenty fifth. At the MGM garden arena in Las Vegas for double. Or nothing. So excited for all of you to join us on this new ride. We won't let you down. Thank you. So much guys weird to talk for an hour myself, hopefully sub Easter listening, but that's it. That's my journey Jericho's journey all elite wrestling. All right. We'll see. The Westwood One podcast network.

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Rhea Ripley is NXT Women's Champion

Busted Open

43:08 min | 9 months ago

Rhea Ripley is NXT Women's Champion

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Jericho going up against jungle boy. How Chris Jericho once again is getting somebody over? Also we get into the main event of a w view and the attack of Scu and the young bucks with the dark order. Who are they? Did that segment come off. We'll talk about that. Also talk about eighty w an NFC who won the night and differences between the two brands. All that right now on the busted open pocket man. You started tonight for annex t with a takeover quality main event. Start the show with coal and Finn Vinh Bowel or and then you finish with a takeover quality main event with Shane Obeys Ler and Maria Ripley two amazing matches and now coming out. You have a new women's champion INRIA Ripley Irene. Listen Bay they say less is more more in pro wrestling and ninety nine percent of the time. They're correct so here's my breakdown on Raya Ripley. She's fucking over there you go. There's my take that's the end of that. That's all I have to say. I mean the way they set her up last night. For success. Success was perfect. I mean you if you WANNA take notes onto how to get a talent over. You're just watch that last match and I'm not necessarily talking about the match. I'm talking about what happened after the match with the crowd in the ring with the with the fans holding Ria Ripley up on their shoulder. That is how you get someone over you. Endear dear them to the audience after that shot last night after they went off the air. It's impossible for fans not to feel like they are apart of Ria Ripley success. She went out there. She looks the part. She's got that factor. She looks completely different than everybody. Nobody else she's got the size stature. The work rate and she went out there with with Basil last night and had a great match. A psychologically sound match natch one little hiccup that. I'll talk we'll get into but for the most part great job by both of those women and I really believe that the sky's why is the limit for Ria Ripley because when it comes to having that look and presence. She's she's she's there already. I mean you can stand her face to face with Charlotte right now and you have have something you could have her looking down at becky right now and you have something you can have her looking down at Sasha right now and you'd have something that's how far along rea- Ripley's and she's twenty three years old like she's just starting to be this over when in terms of pro wrestling bully. We talk about all the time they usually takes a while to reach these kind of heights. Look at look at somebody like Daniel Bryan. How long it took him all the work he got to put him before? Getting that moment at Wrestlemainia. Thirty re Ripley's twenty three. She's going to be doing it for another ten fifteen twenty years if she he wants to. It's amazing and you know we'll get into later because there's a part of me that thinks it might be a little too soon but that's looking back on it. Because I got caught up in the moment I got caught up during the match. First of all I always complain about that crowd. That's at full sail. That could be a little too smart for their own. Good even when there's a heel and face in the ring it seems split down the middle. How do you know Rio Ripley's over because you didn't have that last night there was nobody? Nobody cheering for. Shane obeys last night. Everybody in that building was behind a Ripley and you know you always talk about bully. WWe Is a baby face as company and they love. Those baby face champions that they could get behind. They have it with Ria Ripley. There's no doubt and the crowd last night was was was phenomenal. I thought the crowd last night was just as lively if not livelier than the AWA crowd. I mean that W cod was on fire for that first match. I felt they might have dropped off a little bit live and we do have somebody that tweeted us last night. who was in attendance? You said he's in a call into the show today to give us a firsthand first hand account. That'd be quite listen with Ria. It's just I mean there's not I didn't really I don't see any holes Holes in the game in her game right now and they're doing a phenomenal job of protecting her putting her in the right spots but she shining with they had ruined the leadoff position. Clean up no matter where they put her on that card. She's doing a great job. There was a part of the match that I had. I was scratching my head a little bit and I don't think I'm looking to deepen to this because I thought it was pretty obvious like to to get your take on it. Dave the get towards the end of the match towards the Finish and here is Shayna baiser. Who is a legit a fighter? Karan's yes a- bad ass Yup. She's got a rear naked. Choke Andrea Ripley. Yes she hooks folks. She Hooks to hold and she's got it cinched in these women are doing a phenomenal job of working that rear naked. Choke you you see rear ripley able to get to her feet. But then she asked the crumble back down because Shane Baiser cinches the whole back in you see Ria kicking around but then she uses her legs to kind of great viner. You see RIA get up to her feet again and almost make it to the ropes but Shane drops down pulls her back to the middle. They're working this hold so so well. They're working this hold as if they had been working together. Gather for twenty years. The progression of Ria finally going down and finally getting and choked out and the progression of Shayna cinching it in and cinching and more and now really having it hooked to the point where now they do the old old raise the hands and all of a sudden Ria is able within an instant to grab that referee and that was fine. I didn't have a problem with that. Because that's that's that burst of adrenaline. That went through rea- Ripley where she grabs Aref. And here she comes. She's GonNa get out of this she's going to get out of this and then all of assange she rolls back and the minute she rolls through and she's able to break the hold she's right back on feet and she starts stomping in a mudhole. Enchaine obeys and that's the part I did not like because if Shayna baseler a legit shoot fighter a legit bad ass as a rear rear naked choke on you for what seemed like a good minute or so. There's no way in hell. You can pop right back up and start stopping a mud mudhole. If she would've if real would rolled through popped up and then dropped like a desperation leg right across shane his throat and and they were laid there on a double down. That would have been a lot more believable to me show. I think I think they through all of that. Great work it out the window in that moment in time like I said I don't know if I'm picking because it was really obvious to me. I just wish they they would have sold the credibility of the hold from the credible shoot fighter a little and boy. I thought the same thing after she rolled out. Now I agree a kick to the head like you said it's just a sudden burst of energy. Get that kicked Ed. They both fall to the mat and exhaustion. Because obviously reas gotta start selling what just happened and speaking of selling I have to give and I did this last week as well and he did. Another phenomenal job on commentary last night. And that's Nigel McGuinness. Nigel McGuinness just from what you were describing was phenomenal on that call. He's begging the referee to go to the arm because he was actually afraid. Afraid that this is going to do damage to Ripley. I know we always talk about Mora Moro so over the top but I think you've noticed and unless we go we go off on Corey graves making those comments but since corey graves made those comments. I'm really starting to pay more and more attention to what Nigel. And I'm Beth been doing on commentary. They've both been great but Nigel. McGuinness has really stepped up. And you go back. Watch that match again and listen to Nigel. McGuinness McGinnis you can't find better commentary than what Nigel gave you last night on Monday night I took to social media and I put Samoa Joe over for his work behind the desk when it came to. Aj styles versus Randy. Orton and I believe. Joe Lynch so much credibility to that match a guy that it was in the trenches had been in there with both of those guys especially AJ styles and the way he was describing the hold especially the calf killer. Joe was doing a great job job of bringing me in an almost helping me to feel the pain. That Randy was in at that very moment by the way he described it conversely Nigel Nigel. Just like you said off the charts with the call me be a bit better than Moreo in that situation because Nigel Joel can bring me closer to the action with his knowledge of what it's like being in the middle of that ring so to me as announce wise this week. Samoa Samoa Joe and Nigel. McGuinness stood out head and shoulders above everybody else because of the credibility that they can lend to the action going on in the ring. It's just like in football. You know. Now we're getting closer to the postseason when you have guys who've actually played the game. Listen you have the season veteran play by play day but when you have that guy like Tony Romo Tony. Romo's been no situations. He knows what it's like to throw a touchdown to win a game. He knows what it's like to throw an interception. Believe leave me as a cowboy fan plenty of time. He knows what it's like to throw an interception to end the game. He's been there. He knows how it feels. Nigel McGuinness like you said in. That moment knows what it's like like to be in that position and he actually was concerned for rea- Ripley's health and that's why I think it brought a lot of attention to what you just said. Bully when you have. The commentator are actually concerned for rea- Ripley's health. And he's like he wants to go to the arm because this may be the end of that match and then five seconds later later. She's up on her feet and it's like you said she's kicking. Shane Obeys Ler. It's a it's a bit of a glitch. It's it's definitely a bit of a glitch and what it does is it hurts. Shane is Holt. And it hurts. Nigel's credibility because here's Shane of the legit bad ass with a rear naked choke. That obviously didn't work. And here's Nigel showing this concern. Four Ria Ripley. Who's been in the rear naked choke putting credibility beyond the hold putting credibility on his concern? And then all of a sudden boom we just pop out of it and we just went to the next thing like I said it's it was small but it was glaring. And this is this is the little things twenty or twenty three year. Old Woman should be sitting down with Shawn Michaels ankles and hunter and learned from this moment. A great great learning experience for her in that moment if she would have rolled through and just like dropped a desperation Hogan leg across the across. Shane obeys with his neck. SHAYNA would be forced to sell and RIA could've went back. Act Down to the selling the chokehold and the credibility would have been there and again. She's twenty three. She's only GonNa get better. which is amazing? Because she's at the top of everyone's game right now as most of us have found out the hard way getting into debt is easy. Getting out is hard especially especially if your credit score isn't great thankfully now there's upstart dot com the revolutionary lending platform. That knows. 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Shane obeys has been your annex. exte- women's champion. That's why that that win is so significant. That's something that the main roster has to do a better job of the longer you keep. Keep title on the champion. The more special the loss is GonNa be and they do that so well on an xt bullied. I think that the main roster can take a lot of notes from what's going on exte- like once again after watching an x t last night. I find myself saying to myself self. Annex T is by far the best brand underneath underneath the. WWe umbrella right now. And here's the crazy part. The talent on raw and smackdown technically is superior to the talent that is because they're seasoned veterans. You've been working for a long time. But this just goes to show you the differences in head coaches and how head head coaches use their talent. There's a reason why Bella Check has six Super Bowl rings because he knows to get how to get the most just out of his talent. Listen the Patriots have won. The super bowl would not necessarily the best individual players at every position right taste hundred percent but Bella check knows how to get the most out of them conversely you can take a head coach who might have a resounding adding resume but doesn't know how to get the best out of the players on the on the main roster. I'm not seeing nearly nearly the I don't see matches with as much drama as we saw last night. Like with Finn and Adam Cole Cole was so much drama in that match the false finishes were so good and so credible not only could I hear it in the crowd but I felt it within myself and I find myself laughing at myself because I'm getting sucked in. If you if you can can get me to buy into something you can get anybody to buy into something because I can see past the smoke and mirrors but the drama last asked night that they gave us in those matches. And I know we're sticking to the took coal and Fan Valor and Ripley unchain. Ah Baiser but throughout the whole night right. They did a great job with a priest and Killian Dane even Kushida versus the grimes grimes match. All of these matches. Good job if not great job with creating drama Why can't we create that same drama on the main roster? I gotTa tell you why Bali early and maybe we're getting a little deep but I think it's a conversation we need to have because what you just said is the biggest point of all annex t to me too is the best product at the. WWE has there's no show in my opinion that comes close like an annex t is head and shoulders above Monday night. Raw and smackdown. I I I would love to see what we see on exte- on Monday night raw but it will never happen. Here's why bullying I think it explains a lot of what we're kind of puzzled about when it comes to the main roster like you said getting drama. Annex T is a pro wrestling show uses all those simple elements laments that we've been used to for decades as pro wrestling fans the simple things I think that sometimes raw and smackdown back down almost too clever for their own good like it's too much of a variety show raw and smackdown are not pro wrestling shows. Am I wrong by saying NAT entertainment show. Yes and I think that's what the beer sports their sports entertainment shows that peppers in pro wrestling and I think they've been peppering in a lot more pro wrestling. Don't get me wrong. And normally we come on the show and we talk about the quality of the wrestling matches on raw and smackdown down. But I haven't seen anything on raw or smackdown that comes close to what I saw from Finn and Adam Cole or Rear Ripley and Shayna baiser now. Maybe we are getting those kind of matches on raw and smackdown but the crowds are as enthusiastic. Maybe the crowd crowd at full sail is superior to the crowds at raw and smackdown. Whatever it is perception is reality and the perception? That's coming across loss to me. Is that the talent in annex. T is doing better drop better job telling their stories and psychology in the ring and the crowd is more interested. And this this is what makes an x t a better pro wrestling show at times than a e w when it comes is to the in ring product and you gotTa go beneath the tip of the iceberg to know this it comes down to the agents it comes down to the guys and the gals there that are helping. The talent put the matches together. I see Shawn Michaels fingerprints anger prints on a lot of things. It's glaring to me when you have people like Sean or hunter and I believe hunter has his hand in just just about every single match whether it's one idea whether it's being an agent for entire match when you have talent like that and Dan Road Dogg. Think about it Sean. Road Dogg and Hunter as agents. Those guys know just about everything there is to know how about the psychology of match how to put a match together false finishes entertainment which one of those three guys does not knowhow to tear the house down. None of them. They're all they all know how to do it. Exactly and now. They're instilling all of that knowledge into the performers and you see see it coming across in their matches and that is an incredible team effort right there now just last night. Did I see TAG team matches. That listened to the referee and adhered to the rules. I'm hoping that the talent talent in e w especially younger talent. Start listening to the billy. Guns Start Listening to Jerry. Lynn's start listening to the eighteen Milongo's because if you WANNA have a great wrestling match and understand the psychology of the moves in the middle of the ring. I'm sure Dean Milenko can help you with. That couldn't yeah of course if you want to know how to be really really entertaining. I'm sure Billy Gunn can teach you how to do that. Percents one hundred percent and everywhere in between these guys can help. So when I'm watching some eighty w matches I can tell that those wrestlers are going out there. Just doing what they think is the right thing to do. And I'm not saying that they shouldn't do those things I'm saying that they need to listen to the veteran voice. A little little bit more to help them with their psychology. There needs to be somebody that says all right settled down like I love what I saw. But here's where you can make this a little bit better settled down. And I don't know that they're if they're listening if they're not listening. I know that everybody made a big deal but Jericho having closed door meeting and everything else I like that about you. Know getting these guys. Hey the honeymoon periods over now we need to step up the small things and as we're saying those small things at the end of the day are gonNA mean a lot down the road and then going back to annex t and how you said they can build the drama nothing on annex t is silly nothing on Annex T. He is wasted especially back when that show was just an hour long. They didn't have time for Filler. There's no filler. Like you always say no. You know no filler. All killer. That's it's kind of like motto. It seems every single Wednesday and you mentioned Kushida and I'll go back to that cameron grimes because she match if you look Coscia. He's got that back to the future. Gimmick right if he was on the main roster they would make sheet all about that Gimmick you would forget get about the man who's the wrestler and it would be all about the gimmick. I think that's the biggest difference between annex t and the main roster the biggest difference between the main roster an annex t comes down to two people dave and you know it comes down to Vince McMahon and his vision and triple leitch and his vision and the other night. I went on social media and I talked about how creative must not be listening to the pop that Matt Hardy gets when he comes out and somebody went on social media. Some dude he said I it how people hide behind the word creative when they really mean. Vince McMahon man. If I truly meant Vince McMahon in that moment I would have mentioned vincis name. 'cause I don't hide behind anything. I was making a blanket statement about Matt Harvey and creative listening because it's all of creative because there's so many people involved there with creative when it comes down to the visions of the shows. It does rest on Vince and hunter. Why is one show? Technically why is the and I don't think annexed is the minor leagues. But I'm just GONNA use this term. Why is the minor league show? Perceived moved to be so much superior or so far superior than the major league. Show if you don't know Sirius. XM THAN LISTEN UP Commercial Free Music Plus sports comedy talk and news. They had it all a lot of people. Think you need a car to enjoy Sirius. Xm But you don't. You can listen outside the car right now you can get your first three months of Sirius. Xm outside the car for just just one dollars just go to Sirius. Xm Dot com slash busted to see offer details and to subscribe. You can listen on your phone at home and online that Sirius. Xm Dot com slash plus did offer available to new series exemptions subscribers siriusxm no car required fear of the dark fear of the dark order and we saw them after after that main event last night. On a W Bowie. What did you think of it? I liked it. I liked it I first of all I liked the match between Scu and the young box as you mentioned earlier. I love the fact that The young bucks did lose and the young bucks are just seeing the beginning. Everybody over at this point because I think going in they're regarded as the greatest tag team right now and then outcomes the dark order and again. You're seeing it bill to get bigger. You saw the two I guess Enhancement Hansen towns from last week that lost now in the ring becoming a part of this group and Jr talking about what was around that bend in the arena. Lina with join dark order DOT com. I don't know who would do that. I mean that's just crazy going to a website and joining the dark order but simple to do that. And why do I have a funny feeling somebody on this show want to be a member of the dark. Maybe you don't know you never know but anyhow anyhow I really liked that and again. They're building something of their own. We talked about like everybody knows Jericho. Everybody knows Moxley. Everyone knows Omega. Ah They have to build their youngstown. They did it last night with jungle boy in the first half of that show and they're doing it with the dark order in the main event last night couple of hits couple of Mrs with dark order last night and I'll break down first of all the dark water week after week. I've been talking about on the show. Because as they have me intrigued and they had me invested with all the great vignettes that they've been doing kind of reminds me of scientology judge and the the cult esque feel that scientology has and the the the the mind control all that scientology has on people. And I'm getting that vibe from the dark order and I've loved what they've done by keeping the dark water off of television lesion lot of mixed emotions last night when it came to the end of the show I saw the creepers come over the rail. Okay Bat that looked cool I see Scu and the bucks who just went at it now standing back to back with one another because they are friends and they're going to protect each other and I see all of the creepers jumping the four guys. I don't know who the creepers are. Now I know that four guys in the ring are very accomplished pro wrestlers who can defend themself. Now I get Chris Daniels sitting the ring now. I get Kenny Omega hitting the ring. Now I got cody and Dustin hitting the ring. The numbers game really doesn't come into play after all of these guys are in the ring. I have these. Nobody's under masks dropping every legitimate bad ass in a e W now I know they're trying to get them over but am I think that the guys that are underneath these masks are stronger and more accomplished and better fighters than those nine guys that were in the ring by. Here's the thing bully. That's I'M GONNA I'm GonNa go on the other side. This is where I disagree with you. That's what I liked about what I saw last night because the dark there they want you to fear the dark order so the fact that these creepers can beat the shit out of like you said a Kenny. Any Omega Cody and Dustin Rhodes you know. If if here's the thing if if they all if they all ranted ring and and ran the dark order off then that's like the chicken shit. He'll that's not what the dark orders supposed to be there supposed to dominate right. Now I agree with you. One hundred percent but the the sides hides were equal. You know what I would have loved to have seen a second wave of dark order. Once the the first wave of dark order hit and then all of the w guys were to even the odds now it would have been even now the two remain dark order guys come out okay. The Evil No. I'm sorry I forgot the other dudes name and they announce announce the rest of the dark order and now there would have been this massive flooding of more dark order guys. I would have liked to have seen fifty fifty dark order. guys the understand what I'm saying. The first wave hits and now here come all the baby face runnings to defend their friends but now how to masterminds come out and a second wave even more dark order guys come and hit the ring to lay everybody out. I would've layered appeared that because since I don't know who. The dark order guys are under the hoods to me. I just wrestling fans. Who Haven't been accepted did their whole life who have dedicated themselves to the dark water? Am I to believe that. He's wrestling fans or these. Nobody's are tougher than the bucks tougher than Esi. You who tougher than Kenny. Tougher than cody tougher than Dustin. That was destroyed but numbers game can always win. I would have loved to seeing the second wave that massive wave of dark order guys. That's just what I would have done also last night. Was it about initiation right. Yes you had the to quote unquote job guys getting initiate into the darker. They had earned their colors. They had earned their stripes types. They had earned their cut before they could put those hoods on. I would've loved to see. The two guys getting initiated. Do Do the final act of violence like the dark order should have held up one of those sacrificial lambs they could have been Matt. Nick Cody Kenny. It didn't matter and then the Alex the Alex Kidd does the final blow to one of them turn earn his right to finally be initiated in and after he I don't know kicks in the balls then he gets his mask and then and the other kid does something dastardly to another one of our beloved baby faces and then he gets his mask. I didn't feel like the initiation revolved around those two guys. Those two guys felt like they were part of everybody else and got lost in the in the shuffle. So those are the little changes inches that I would have made last night in the dark order to make it feel bigger and more of a spectacle. Did I like it. Yes that I love it not really but I did love the way they went off the air I love the way they all were huddled together and there was. They were chanting their their mantra or whatever they were saying altogether because in that last scene I felt like the dark order was one. And that's my take on the and I liked it. You had the blood on his hand and he's holding up Matt Jackson's blood on his end. That was a cool way to sign off. And then I go to social media Kinda just get a feel and and there's people who liked it and people who hated it and I think a a big reason why people may not be connecting with it is because it's new and they don't know anybody in the a group and it's something that's just different and I think it's GonNa take a little while for people really to start the buying and I think a w's done a tremendous job with it the vignettes going into what we saw. I liked the fact that they have this website. That fans could actually join the dark order. I mean I think Aka W is doing everything right in the concept of. What's going on with something? That's brand new to Asia. W anybody who is saying that after last night that they don't light. Listen if you don't like it you don't like what can I tell. You can't tell you that you're wrong the trail and the way you do but I will say this when dark water order I came on that show ten eleven twelve weeks ago I said who are these guys. They don't belong here because they look like glorified indie guys who got the job. Because they were friends with the bucks basically that's what it was but they found a way to hone this story and get it over through vignettes yet through storytelling it through Tareyton development. It's about as old school as you can get. They've done a very very good job with it. Last night we get our we get like a reveal and we get our first taste of dark water and despite the fact that I liked it I thought a little bit more thought could've went into getting getting them over to. I think they got over last night. Yes do I think they maximize the potential of them getting over. No because like I said that numbers game to me was glaring too. Many strong baby faces getting beaten down by basically an equal number. Uh of creepers if I get a second wave of creepers led by evil and his partner. Wow now it's like how many of these guys are there. And that's where the dark water can say. Our numbers are much bigger than anybody knows. You have no idea how many dark order or already a part of us and because you don't know who anybody is and you always talk about like when Roman reigns is getting beat down like nobody comes out. Obviously we had people come come out. But there was somebody that we didn't see in that whole scenario and that was hangman page and again great storytelling. Because we got the first opening match. That's where hangman page and Kenny Omega tagging they lose the match and you could see the dissension. We know that hangman page is no longer part of the elite and now we get to the end and we're hangman pages. Didn't even come out to help as fans again. A little bit of a cliffhanger there too that makes you on a tune into next week and if memory memory serves me correct. Was it page. Closed Line Omega by mistake. Yep so why would page so upset Omega. Didn't do anything wrong. Peijun agent Omega made. It seem like Omega is the one that closed line pages off but it was vice versa. So I'm not quite sure. Why pages so pissed now? The other thing. Oh Alex what'd you. Yeah well also too. I don't know if you guys caught this. But after that match at the open of the show during the commercial break with the picture in picture pock kind of goes to the back and goes to Jack Michael eckel Nakazawa which gets Kenny. All up in a rush and he goes into the back once he gets back there he gets met by the Luther Brothers again and hangman actually helps him there. He helps helps fight off the luther bars and he's sitting there with Kenny. WHO's beat up really bad? But then that's the last we hear of Adam page for the night so it's almost like they came to a truce but when it came to helping with at the dark order pages kind of like you know what this is where I sit out. Maybe he had a redeye brother. And you know maybe. Maybe he wasn't in. He had a plane catch. But here's where it's good storytelling. And you know you can always go back to this to hangman page. got that got that opportunity early going up against Chris Jericho. Oh I E W champion baby. Being the first eighty w champion when this show started in week one didn't happen and let's face it hangman pages kind of on the outside looking in when you look at that inner circle of of cody and Dustin in the box and and Kenny Omega which is you know hangman hangman pages. A little bit on the outside looking in when it comes to that to that core group so I can understand some dissension. Another good story that was told is that we saw Christopher Daniels. What was that two weeks ago not exactly a stellar effort in the ring that came into play last night where now you're starting to see? Maybe maybe Christopher Daniels is starting to doubt himself again. I love the fact. They took something that a lot of people on social media absolutely killed and now how they're playing it out where Christopher Daniels could be doubting himself and then also comes into play on commentary with Jim. Ross Jim Ross has been getting a a lot. I think it's unfounded I. It's it's it's it's completely disrespectful but a lot of people have been hard on. Jr when it comes to his commentary and he has has that he plays into that he talks about that on commentary again a lot of realism. And what we're seeing in Asia w from week in and week out and you know it's unfortunate what goes on with the whole JR situation. Sometimes people are hard on him despite the fact that he's doing his absolute best work. He's doing a good job. Bob The bottom line. I like Jim. Ross a lot better than w than I liked him with new Japan because it's more on his wheelhouse of storytelling and not just talk about moves. Unless Dave when when it comes to social media I mean I think you would agree with us like social media has made too many people comfortable with disrespecting respecting other people with no consequences. You know too. Many people are disrespecting one another and not getting punched in the mouth for it. That's the way I look at got it. You know you just go out there and say whatever you want you know with no repercussions I want to get back to the dark water for a second. You know the points that I've been making about them is only is is if I would have done it to make them better. I think this gimmick has legs a lot of legs I can see this. I could Z.. An entire arena of fans wearing dark order masks. I could see people pledging their allegiance to the dark order Allah you you know. Join the dark joining the dark. What I like the little subliminal messages throughout the show? They're taking an act that nobody gave a chance at the beginning including myself and they're getting it over. I like it because there's so much potential. There's so many options nations with it and when you have wrestlers that you're not quite sure what you should do with. You can always make them a part of the dark order order but come on last night with the initiation they. Wouldn't you like to see the Alex Reynolds Kid and the other guy have to do something where the spotlight was on Them to complete their initiation. Yeah and it wouldn't make sense in the whole initiation process. You have to do something even a little bit extra like in that position. Dan would have given them a little bit of a spotlight but then again. Here's a guys that we're losing and now are part of this and probably are going to be people that were gonNA remember their names and talk about them on a weekly basis acis. It was built as an initiation last night. and to me if you're gonNA initiate guys let's let's it's not so much about putting the spotlight on them mm-hmm as much as this spotlighting the initiation and what. It's like to get the mass. I like that bully if you highlight the initiation in process. That's something that you could see more on a weekly basis. You're absolutely right. Thanks for listening catches Monday through Saturday. I'm busted open from nine. AM to noon soon. Eastern on Sirius X._M.. By Nation Channel One fifty six then busted open podcast.

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"In Two thousand twelve and exte- transitioned into the developmental system, and ultimately the brand you see today on the torch VIP podcast exte- eight years back we'll be taking a weekly look at this page in annex sees early history. Join Kelly Wells and me Tom style from WT talks next every Saturday as we go eight years back to the day to track NFC's rising talents and why they did or didn't work out exclusively for W. Torture VIP members. Now pw torch and spreaker bring you the Wade Keller pro wrestling podcast. It's time for the weekly flagship talking current events in pro wrestling. Jason so far so good for me on the Roman reigns he'll turn I was I think we're saying it's a Hilton now. And I'm cool with Jason was the first challenger. I think that just elevating somebody who wasn't in the picture to be the first opponent to be the fall guy who has this Bilton backstory with Roman reigns works I liked the dynamic of Paul Heyman sort of being subservient to Romans Romans more the Alpha I think that suits him as a he'll act all in all I. Give them a great for what they did on Friday and I'm just excited. We don't have to wonder about Roman going he'll like will forever have to wonder about John Cena, going, Hill. No kidding. I wasn't it nice just to have a good episode of smack. I can't even remember the last time I thought hey, that was a good show and actually did on Friday and a lot of it was what they did with Roman and and and I like the J.. WHO SO PROGRAM I always hope that if Rome intern, we'd get the USA. Lined with him but who's to say we don't somewhere down the road. So yeah, I. Really, start. Yeah, what what did you in particular like about Romans Act because it could've gone and a variety of directions I mean there was no. It could have been a lot of things and I thought this play just really well into what I expected. would be Roman strengths given what it was about him that the average male fan did not like that sense of I'm a phony. Corporate Guy Spewing outlines but in truth I couldn't be bothered to care about you and it actually is impossible for me to even pretend I care about you. But look at me I'm a star I made a mentored wrestlemanias. So therefore, since made wrestlemanias that justifies me made inventing wrestlemanias and really I'm just rich and I care about my family. I don't really care about you like gave off those vibes to people I'm not saying fair nothing it's unfair I think that was sort of. Recent people booed him. I think what they did with him on. Friday tapped into it showed me in acknowledgement of one probably the most natural character for him to play. In to adapt into amplifying what it was for years that Rub people the wrong way about I want to hear it from him. I don't blame the H. One week and I I assumed we'd hear more from Heyman in week one we didn't hear much from Roman but I I wanna hear that Promo from him that we all know is inside of him, just waiting to explode on fans who rejected him I I want to hear some of those things you just said come out of his mouth or at least implies certain things. That for me is going to, it's really appealing and and again, it didn't have to do it all in one week but I hope we get that. Hope it's not just I'll Roman can't talk which at all do all the were or because they've never. Really given him a true chance to prove whether he can be that guy that can carry a good promo. They've just overly protected him time and time again, an overly scripted everything. It's weeks where he got to be himself is that's when he connected with people I. Think he's got an them to be a good. He'll pro Hayman I get is going to do you know probably the majority of the talking and that's okay. Here from Roman himself and I think that's really important that they get their in my report on torch DOT COM on Friday i. said. Something similar. I said, I fear the ratio of Haymond arranged talking will be like this always but I'm hoping we get something closer to sixty forty with rains. I wanted to developments he'll promo skills over time. And Yeah, I'm fine with sixty forty or sixty, five, thirty five but you know Paul can talk two thirds but give me. Roman reigns flexing his his promises to and building up strength over time. yeah I, I definitely want to hear more from him, but if it's a slow reveal and. I. Okay. With that too. It's slow roll out. I think a lot with Raines is going to be body language and demeanor and tone and his body language demeanor intone even going back to that next Promo of looking at his watch that that I pointed out as the example of why could be a great he'll? The way he talked about J. Like Oh texting you're calling you what's up. been busy like and it was it was the least he could hits the least he could have said to his cousin like a very least. He didn't act like he was sorry he didn't even act like it's worth my time to pretend I'm sorry he completely disregarded raise how. Jay would feel about him blowing him off. He didn't care if Jay knew that he was blowing him off and I love that like I, 'cause I don't think you should test is being in a way that you might with other a test but pushes acting range to where he has to start being phony. I like the idea that he can't even be bothered to be phony because part of what his what made I think fans blew him was he couldn't even be bothered to seem to care about the fact that he was being booed. You know he said it's not as favorite thing. It's kind of a little perplexed by it, but it didn't seem to ultimately bother him a ton and he never showed it on air. So the idea that that he would continue that Jay now, it'd be like. Okay. Yeah. I've been busy. You're not worth my time even explained anything. Usually a handle. Bruce. Mitchell. Yes. Yes. So, with with rains and Jay, do you expect I mean we're? Always out here. But is this just rains winds? And they move on or do you think this is the beginning of of something more with with Associ- J.. Yeah so Jason's. Body Koreans to showcase what is he'll style is and get a win. And I think it makes sense at this point I mean if they want to make. Competitive Denied Berry J. that'd be great but. If this is sacrificial lamb. I. Like this a tag team wrestler guy who's most likely going to remain a tag team wrestler wants his brother comes back I like him being that Guy and it's you know there's the the family connection there, which is great and again I it's better because I mean the alternative is. Matt Riddle is going to be the sacrificial lamb or because I mean that's just what they do is they would waste somebody in this spot that they shouldn't will. This is one you can get away with again if assuming the long term plan is for the USA does to. Go back to the tag division you can. Stretch it out I mean maybe Roman goes crazy on him and and it just sets up the after the match up the need for or. Jada trying to get some revenge you may be able to ask my guess is that just kind of a one and done and that works for me I don't think putting him against the top level. Competitor at this point or or challenger make sense because of first opponent I think makes it. I think it makes sense to have the first opponent somebody. He can just plow through who you have this incident backstory was so I actually I thought that was really smart t to take that approach. It. Again, this is a September pay per view. This isn't wrestlemainia season. It's not the rumble match. It's not summer slam. So just that alone I mean I thought that was really really smart to it's the one night of the year. Wade we're every championship must be defended. I'll have you know yes I wanNA talk about the situation in a second to since you bring that up. All, right. Let's pause and set the table. This is the weight. Keller pro wrestling podcast, our Thursday flagship I'm weedkiller host of the program editor of the Progressing Torch weekly newsletter, POW TORCH DOT COM and host of the show. The week processing post shows a variety of ESPN radio shows and I welcome you to the show today. Thanks for downloading or streaming the show. The other voice you hear is the Co host. 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You know he's going to repeat the same catchphrases I'm going to wish listener did more talking. He's going to be in a situation I don't know. I just wasn't. I didn't I didn't even think he felt inspired I felt like Paul. Seemed excited and we'll I. Don't know if it's true or not. But overtime, we'll see. If. This is a different if payment getting to play a slightly different role or maybe a significantly different role excites him and gets his creative juices flowing again because the idea that he's Kind of hyper concerned about pleasing Roman. Opposed to just being almost the equal of listener I think is really interesting. I do agree in. Bad Poll Heyman Promo is still a pretty good Promo Code. I was I was making my anticipation not so much grading like it was almost a personal level like I know this'll be good but I'm not really excited about what I'm going to get I don't mean to say like he ever was below average right? It's just there's only so many things you can say about the same person doing by and large the same thing over and over and over again. And he made it work. But yeah, this is a new challenge. This should be something that he he can be excited about I. One thing that I I don't know if they'll go in this direction it probably is all about making Roman, the ultimate villain. But if they want to kind of have different layers to this story, they did position the Roman. Say This was Paul's doing getting Jay who so the match and with Hammond being the Manhattan Master manipulator one approach could be that. It's set this up because he's he knows what the end result is going to be if Jay wins Roman going to slaughter him and that is. Another step of Roman being in his clutches and and being isolated it's know he loses to family if they want to play it that way I'm guessing they don't they usually don't go that deep with things but But yeah, I i. think this is going to be a really fun phase for Haymond. We're just not going to have to hear all those same catchphrases. And I would assume unless brock decides to go back to you see your Tony condescends to really open up that that pocket book I think sooner or later we're going get baby-faced Bronco Brock Lesnie. Fishing Room ranch. That's the thing I was anticipating baby-faced Brock Leser four in the latter stages of his Rod. So. If we get that I think that can really work. Well, what do you? What do you think of less Nur's. The possibility of Leshner and what listener would give to w if if aws sign like I've talked about this with a couple of people already but I'm curious your take on is it a good fit or I mean 'cause I don't think Moxley leser makes sense I. Mean I know there's the whole well, you know in real life they didn't get along so they can turn that into something but I think in real life they don't get along and I don't think there's going to be a real lot of interest I think box leads now the big fish and isn't gonNA WANNA compromise with listener, but listener is going to. Think he's the big fish so I just don't that as particularly compatible. No I don't think it's a good fit. If I were Tony Kahn, I don't think I would make that move. There's. Your Awol. Mostly. There's some bigger guys but mostly smaller roster, the big is are. The Lance archers and Brodie Lee types in their and their the heels and I mean you know brock works pretty well with smaller guy of it I just don't see. Two million I could they do cody and brock? Sure. There's some matches there but I just don't know that it's worth the money and realistically I know the Brock Who's been pretty loyal to vent. Aside from that early. I'm going to play football battle He's been very loyal to him and it doesn't mean he won't take huge see money would I don't know that brock is just GonNa make that jump unless it's just something astronomical and I don't know the. These worth it you know for the schedule that he wants to work it would be obviously a big. A big boost in star power for a W I, don't know that I do the trade opera just what it does to the Locker Room? Not. I mean he can. He's rock listener but I I. Just don't know that you really want to disrupt everything and start having people will out this deal. Maybe I'm not expecting the same as brock but you know why can't I get something a little more With a few less dates and a few more Zeros and it just I, don't know I think it's more trouble than it's worth that that's that's the thing I do this more trouble than it's worth now if cody. became a champion as a baby face. And brought came in as a he'll. I think there's money in that match. I think the politics of Moxley and the style matchup doesn't work if Kenny Omega becomes a baby face Awa champion. If he becomes eight of a champion in his a baby face and that's in question. Then, I think of Kenny lessner match would be big money for the Awa audience and I think it would set a record by rate I don't think Lance Archer or Brian Cage or Brodie Lee are big enough. Names were lessner facing them. Is I think it would do exponentially bigger business a match against cody or Kenny. Hangman page. Maybe I think the size different I would need to see hangman page get back on track and really get momentum and I could be you know I be talked into thinking that that alone might be worth. Working with working with listener and doing what it would take I think that's number three on my list but all three have to be baby leshner coming in has to be a he'll in Asia w as the outsider coming in to basically represent the best of wwe coming into try to take out the best that eight has and so do me like the Archer in Teijin Brody on. Enough. And it's it would take a baby face cody Kenny or. Adam page heating up again to be opponents that would make it worth. Seriously considering what you just said otherwise would not be worth trouble I do agree I the one. Guy Think of that group I think you could really build up to some fielding I don't know how it'd be execution but archer and listener does kind of standard do if you play your cards right but it's not. It wouldn't be the immediate obvious match you know cody or. Any and I agree with you on hangman page I don't know. I think Moxley. Would be. Actually, would do business I don't. I don't know Broccoli Rajabi cares if he's very, you know who knows but Yeah, there's just. Leser? Injured Arco. Sh, looks. Nice. On the marquee. Mash now? No. I don't either. I'm rich fan hosted the deep dive with rich Richmond a weekly part of Torch daily cast lineup of shirts search torch, an apple podcasts, or your podcast subscribe every Saturday at six PM eastern I dive in with guests for an hour and anything in the world wrestling or wrestling related want to hear about the influence of historical figures like big kettering. We. Got You. WanNa hear about how crazy marine movies got we are on no topic is too big or too small. So if you want to dive in with this call in live or listen on demand and see the entire pw torch daily schedule at POW towards, daily cast. Dot Com. Jason I mentioned the taking situation class champions coming up later this month. So CICERO gain on commercial show up on raw and want to. Want to have a champion versus champions. Match. Against St Profits. I like that because it's one last match on the clash and all the bells have to be defended. So we've eliminated having either make two matches unnaturally short or meaning the titles by putting them on on the kickoff show or making the show needlessly longer. So with that said I also like it because I, think the floating women's take titles has worked pretty well. Yes. Some people think it's overexposure procession Bailey but that I think was more sort of pandemic related to a degree 'cause I just thought they can create a lot of. A lot of noise and a lot of drama. Themselves and we don't have crowds and so there they were. They were in the group of people, Cluster people that he thought were really good at creating their own energy without a crowd. So. That overexposure. Necessarily the case now in the Thunderdome era or crowds come back I just like the idea floating take tents and you can still have divisions in both Botha shows but. The take tunnels get ignored for weeks at a time anyway. So why not have unify the titles have one title like with a women for the met are you in favor of that? Do you see the downside to that? I'm fine with it. They D- squandered their tag division. So what's the difference at this point? Yeah I go ahead and do it up to the match takes place on Rossier kind of expecting something to set up a rematch with the titles actually on the line for the pay at the pay per view. Yeah. That's what I'm. I'm aiming I'm aiming four or I'm seeing the that they're heading towards something like that because I don't think they would just do it just to have a one off on. TV. Like to me seems like I mean that's just not open its work. So I think if he's going to invest in having them come to raw and you've got clash of champions coming up and you don't have obvious contenders for either either belts otherwise where it's like well, they're not gonNA they're not gonNA give up on that top tier feud on a pay per view to have an Inter Inter brand match. So yeah, it seems like that's where they're headed. Put the belt on the line and merchant. Works for me Yeah I wish they treated their tag division better but they just don't in this won't really change anything. I I guess. More than anything the thing I'm happiest about is it means I. Don't have to wash the street. Prophets. Space Andreotti Garza again. I I was excited about that viewed when it started. Yup It's just so many matches and they almost all end with the street profits winning. Why do they keep showing me this? And on top of that I, don't know if I can never take angel guards seriously again after he ran off on that reality star woman. The way he did I mean I just I know they thought Oh this'll be funny if retribution shows up and he he says, I'll always be by your side. I'm here to protect you and then he ran away but it's like that was such a chicken shit thing to do that. I look at him differently now as someone who was all talk but actually just a comedy figure who runs away from the first sign of trouble even for a woman he's courting. So I didn't think that was worth it I mean I don't think it rooms him but I think it damaged. A lot in which so she's not that special tune. If you haven't noticed I mean there's her Charlie Caruso like any woman that appears on screen other than Zelina vehicles seemingly. So I did get a kick out of that. I got to admit I know what you're saying but I just wonder if that's kind of the role, they are transitioning him into because they didn't seem to know what to do with him before they kind of lump them in with Andrea as a tag team and it looks like they're splitting up. and. So maybe that's it is this Lautaro. He can get it done occasionally, but he isn't you know when push comes to shove, he's going to save his own, ass. Well Yeah I just for him to be a top tier guy having him run away practically squealing in fright at these massed Williamson retribution showing up I just. I don't know I just I'm just saying I don't look at it in the same way or. What do you think? This Friday we've got tomorrow we've got. A new, a new Friday funhouse or else character. What do you think is? Going to do I assume it's Alexa Bliss related is it Alexa Bliss yourself is it a new puppet and just kind of overall what do you think of what they're doing with the fiend Alexa and does bronze still fit in or do you think they? Split them off and do something else in divorce from the situation. I think if they told on, hey, why don't you go home and take if you months off it would be the best thing they could do for right now he's just so ice cold. Too, soon, to turn him, he'll and expect to really get something out of it. Especially when you just turn Roman I know he's kind of been a trainer he just needs to go away. They've really damaged him with Wyatt. If they think like he's their number one baby face. They have a lot of work to do. I. I. Don't know how that's GonNa work, but at the same time I'm you just like find a compelling the story with him in Lexa curious to see where that goes still. So. Yeah. I I don't see him as. Baby face number one in the fight against Roman. Reigns because the characters just to out there and and in the way they do it. With just making hocus pocus things and they scale back a little bit on that when it comes to the new character, I don't know Dallas is still under contract maybe they can find a funny outfitter him to wait. He's still under contract. Yes? That's crazy. Wow. But Yeah I actually, I'm up Oh Dallas Fan. So just not like as a top tier guy but. I think he deserved more than. Deserves a little bit better than he's he's been getting lately. So he becomes a character that's fine too I. loved annexed Tibo Dallas. He was like Yeah Obnoxious Justin Bieber just. That high pitch, wind voice and little raspy fat a little little extra annoyance to it sure at I mean. It's funny. We were just talking about Garza. There was a chicken shit side of him that but he just had this. This I think the right word for he because he would act like he was this wholesome Nice Guy and then you just see through you just have those moments I really liked that character but obviously, it's one of many that Vince didn't get. Yeah. So I, I like Alexa Bliss though in. Linked up with I think there's potential there but does brand up. Baby face and the debris in the finger baby face with Alexa or do they try to have a sinister twist that leads to? Alexa. Evil and Fighting Nikki or is it or do we or do we have to go through both phases evil and then babies I think they're I. Think they're gonNA end up being baby fish. You just look at the baby fish side of things and you know Daniel Bryan's on hiatus. But he's also said I don't know if anything's changed that his contract was up shortly after he returned from leave. So right wait and see what happens there. Then we know Matt Riddle, they don't seem all that invested they don't. They're not ruining him yet not exactly trying to make either he's just kind of there. So I mean who is the top, AB fish. I. Think that ship has sailed at least temporarily if not long-term on Braun strowman. I think they are going to try to make the Bryant the fiend into that and Alexis part of making that happen I. Don't know where that leaves Nikki necessarily, I may be reading it wrong. But that's kind of my interpretation of where it is right now. Yeah. Searching for more great pro wrestling talk. Then join me Jason Powell hosting the weekly pro wrestling boom podcast each week you'll hear the latest news and analysis for me and my team at pro wrestling dot net along with other wrestling media members, plus the pro wrestling boom podcast features long-form interviews with notable names in the wrestling industry subscribing Itin stitcher downcast, and all your favorite secondary apps or visit us directly at POW. Boom Dot com once again that's PW. Dot Com. Already situation. And what happened on Saturday and then how they handled it last night. I. I'm still trying to fully process. What they were trying to do, and whether it worked or not hardy coming out and just thinking the fans for gushing about showing so much care for him. The whole thing felt pr. And then I? Just I don't think I think it drew a lot of attention to something that could have been taken care of eight seconds by. The announcers just going. Heart, hardy tweeted this. He's taken some I don't know what I guess. What do you think of it because I still I'm still trying to process it other than I think it was a mistake in the moment to to continue the match and I hope that they develop new protocol for those situations going forward. Absolutely when it comes to the segment shelf. Dynamite he. I liked it because it didn't feel like a promo and maybe totally was, but it felt like this guy just going out there acknowledging it. I. Think the PR. Move and it was a smart one was getting ready just to stand in the crowd because we know that she was not happy. She let the world know she wasn't happy and good for her doing that the fact that they were getting we're. Able to get her to be out there to kind of okay she must have forgiven everybody because she's there from a PR standpoint that's obviously good for them. My thing on there they was handled horribly and they should be ashamed themselves. I don't expect them realistically I mean, could they come out and say, Hey, we did a bad job will do better next time I. Think. We all would like that in this. World of Never Ending Litigation is at the the right move. Probably not a lawyer would probably tell you not to apologize for anything and take the approach they did. So I guess more than anything no matter what they say publicly I hope we hear that internally they know they screwed up and they are, as you said, you know changing protocols because it needs to happen that that can't happen again. No No, it can I just. If. Hardy can't make himself a worthwhile member roster by wrestling within the ropes in the ring. Tony Kahn's Scotty decided. Do I let him do thing like because what I worry about his wrestlers feel like they have to prove their worth by jumping off of high place and taking crazy wild bumps and I think there's diminishing returns. First of all semi of art is a need to be doing any of that. That should be his brand. It shouldn't be something. He's he's risking. He's just too good and hearty. He's just so broken down that he can't. Run the ropes and do the athletic moves. So now it's about. Turning into some sort of stunt man. Then, it's time to transition him to something else and he can do six men tags, private party, pick his spots. Use them in a limited way but I just don't think a mid card match like Hardy Guevara should have spots like that. I do fear that Tony Kahn's philosophy is let's save the big stuff for when it's really gonNA count but it's more. Let's just jam as much as we can of this kind of thing to make the pay per view feel special and it feels. To me just kind of passe to be doing big stump up like this not not to mention dangerous but even if they could do it safely it just it feels pets amy I want I'm nothing everybody should be FDR. In terms of their gimmick but. Semi Kovar. Darby Allen even in the in the throwing them in a body bag with tax God, the stuff is bad enough but you can't control the bump you're taking when you're in a body bag. That should not be greenlighted. So it just it put a dark cloud over the over the whole event for me aws a promotion and Tony Kahn's judgment that that's the kind of thing. He's green lighting it's just And I don't think that's cody vision either I mean in cody likes to bleed so that Sorta his his indulgence but I feel like there's Not a vision there's just indulgences and hardy. That hardy bump, and then the continuation of the match. Where we're a manifestation of what I think is one of the flaws when it comes to what eight tries to do on pay per view. I think we're that occurred is very telling big. I mean I don't know how long in late they had given that match, but it didn't seem to me like this is the climax whatever happens here because they went to the actual finish where they climb the scaffold. So they were just doing this big bump onto this these two tables, and then apparently we're just gonNA, get up and a few seconds and and continue fighting so. was that really worth the risk I mean it it a spotlight that to me just isn't anymore period, but it wasn't even like the big finish. This was just something that was going to happen in the match and probably be forgotten three seconds later. That's the thing. Yup I just that level of risk for for the placement of the card and the just wasn't worth it. and. So anyway. I want to shift to Kenny Omega Hangman page. We talked about them in the context, a little bit and the young box, the elite I, how do you grade? The story, the way that they're telling the story and can you explain to me where they are as of today? I give them an ash for slow I mean it's A, good and bad. Not I don't mind a slow burn. But it's time. I think one of the things that needs to change with this company when it comes to this because they're very proud of their their slow developing story lines and that's cool. We don't get that from the other company. But I think it's okay to have a variety. So if you have a really long story line playing out, that's great. But. Not every story line needs to be that way not every storyline needs to be foreshadowed like that's what they're. What we're not getting him, Jeff and Jericho. Now that we're GONNA, tease it for six months down the road. Oko. Sometimes, let's just have those things develop out of nowhere and catch US off guard that way too and I don't know if that's what they were doing. It's just it does feel like they have multiple very slow developing story lines and. I think you lose people along the way that are slick. Would you cut to the chase already I? Think it's I was really hoping we'd see those developments at the pay per view or on this episode of dynamite coming out of the pay per view, and we're still left waiting I'm interested. But I'm I mean I, watching the show every week I just wonder how many people. Like is this ever GonNa pay off what is this and can get good and if not, and I'm GonNa there's other there's other shows on I'm going to turn the channel, how an at what point do we get permission either really like or really not like somebody like and because I don't even know what they're trying to do with the bucks or Kenny or page fully. If the bucks and Kenny are going to be a he'll threesome. I guess they're doing a good job making me not like them so far. But then you have page who's the WHO's the baby face who got suckered into believing, FDR and always moping around feeling sorry for himself and I I guess the build is he's going to eventually snap out of it and then you get hangman page against he'll Kenny Omega Or something like that. Where do you think this is heading what sort of the landing place for all of us I still wonder if that horsemen like the action is in play, we see jacket he's wearing the revelation and there's two horses on there. Do they add third and a fourth at some point in his faction but then? They had. Who's who's who is tall enough FDR if that's the faction. My guess would be Omega is kind of the face of that thing because he does seem like he's the one who's turning Keel then page is going to be the baby face as he should. That Kenny's going to be cheered. By his fans either way. But I think you can I d he just he just hasn't clicked. On Awa the way he did in Japan yet and I think he's going to be a better heel than a baby face and pages the guy who is over lawyer it's the beer-drinking all that. But Hey, it's worked and then the box I think because I don't. The idea of like we're GONNA turn Kenny and the bucks together. Are we ever going to get the box against FDR which it seems like they've been building to forever as well. So I think it's there's an issue right now with the bucks and page obviously in time they're going to have to get on the same page to battle whether it's just Kenny and and the FDR duo or if there's more to that, there's another member of that faction coming against we'll see but I think that's where this is going. If you listen to the show you know I'm a fan of audible I love my membership. Great to lose myself in an audio book whether it's fiction nonfiction, current events or history or like I talked about earlier this summer for me and Arcane Topic the book, the history of Bourbon. 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And where do they land and how long do we have to wait for them to land in terms of? Being defy being well-defined characters. I don't know I mean it's I I'm kind of into the new edginess that they were wrong by hangman page. And is it going to take? You know they didn't follow mega like he wanted. Is it gonNA take some beat down there to kind of snap them out of it or they still have the maybe it is. Just we want to give these guys more of an edge rather than have them. Be Maybe there's there's because they certainly have their critics for. Their style, you can't change their style is their style but when it comes to the characters, maybe this is just their way of trying to to toughen them up a little bit I. I don't know I'm not sure where it's going. Is it tough getting up by having? Is it toughening them up by having them go to on one super kicking a non athlete interviewer I mean that's a stupid. It was Alex Marvis. Yes. Yes it was. It was a big baby is moving a dynamite his I get what you're saying I. Mean I know what you're saying that respect, but in the but that belongs on being the elite. If you're going to you know. Silly Meta stuff well though he likes this guy and he's annoying and whatever. But as in terms of like straight up like how do you judge peak guys who just it's to me? That's like that's comedy. That's not giving them an edge that's doing slapstick. No Joking about it. All. Kidding. He does fine I. Don't have an issue. It was the early commentary work like this can't continue and thank God it did but I. Yeah. There's too many characters that are kind of in that gray area right now which I think is what you're saying and I agree. Yeah or if they're in a great. There's too many characters in a gray area but I also just I'm not sure that I'm super inspired by the course that they're on like hangman page is going baby face after moping around and just being this self loathing you know feeling feeling sorry for himself I. Don't know if you can just flip the switch and suddenly you're back to where you were here. Kenny Omega just doesn't seem like cares and I, don't know if he's GOING TO I don't know that he's showing me signs that he's going to have this refined. He'll character that's going to work. I'm not ruling it out but I'm not. Confident either yet I just the Promo last night didn't didn't. Made me a little more worried than confident but you know we'll see. If he's got something in mind and it works and it flushes itself out and land somewhere and all this is building to it. I mean I I am open to it I mean it'd be unfair not to be But. I didn't think last night's pro was the type of thing that gets people invested in inspired in what he says next I mean the idea of las belts who cares like I don't think anybody should ever say that. No I mean I think the he's a singles guys he's getting but for me. I really hope whether it was intentional even if they want to claim it was and it wasn't I don't care whenever Kenny hits that sweet spot whatever we find out what his character edged the big moment from that point on please dressed apart, get the haircut and make it seem like this was all bydesign. Yeah. Everything we've seen leading up to that. This was all planned I don't think it was, but you might be able to sell me on that. If he just takes a different approach, once he turns that'd be pretty cool. Is Ten magaz- haircut the worst haircut in all of human civilization in the two twenty twenty? Well. We couple of leaders wanted the US and when. They in. England. I might put up against Kenny Omega share but I? mean. It's it is. IS HE SYRIA SHOW? He may be the Prime Minister of candidate the regular off with government leaders in their Harrison's is Kennedy serious like does he? Does. He think that's like a good star look to have this kind of greasy disheveled but went to the trouble to bleach the tips look i. see it just never been a fan of his haircuts but last night was. Just got off it's just I don't know I just. Think you want you want to come across occur star and I think he thinks he has a signature look but and again it's it's personal maybe I should run a twitter poll but. I to me, I just doesn't seem like a particularly refined. Haircut it just looks. Kind of gross. It does. All of a sudden. Day comes shows up looking completely different. That'd be kind of fun. Yes that's the thing. Yeah we're rooting for this. Big Change for all these key characters where all these signs that don't make sense. Well, it was it was all part of a plan and it's like well, let's get to it that because I'm Taking a long time. Yeah. But Moxley's been great. You know and you know Lance Archer not by the way that. Wasn't what I was GonNa just say but I'm GONNA. Say It's Jake. Roberts is kind of going downhill and Promos for me. I want to understand him I can't. You. That's that's part of it but like it seems like he's trying to slip in crude things where it's like, oh, I can't believe he said that. That I just think it's trashy and he's starting to yell more and I think so that kind of calm look in the eyes psychology talk softly and playing my games just if I feel like what was once there isn't any could. Use more guidance and it's a bummer to say that because I'm not. For scripting. Everyone get scripted jakes one of the great promos terms of that to play in that type of character. But I think again, aws, kind of like, let the artists, the artists give the restaurants free reign but it's just coming across its tawdry and trashy and it feels like it'd be. It's starting to feel like something that would have thrown out there for shock value and I don't know I don't know it's a small sample size but I I'm. cringing a little bit when I listen to Jake now in part because raspy everything is but. You can still do promos with that and I think the content. It's some kind of this derivative of what was once pretty clever and compelling, and now it just isn't working as far as so I don't know. Maybe like I said it's a small sample size jason but I I didn't love last night I think leads archer it's weird but I'd rather have jake talk lesson. Let's talk more now and have jake. A few words you listen and then archer takes over. I want. I see Jake I wanNA think hunting and manipulative absolutely, and that's What we are getting further away from that unfortunately, I think every time he raises his voice as when that rasp really kicks in. So if he does stay quiet and the funny thing was for years, he's the guy we point to when Samoa Joe would serve you know screaming during promos like you don't have to do that watch jake. Roberts Promo for back the day Tony. It's it's kind of sad to see that other flips on I'll say I think archer is a bad talker but. I've never like he started doing it. New Japan. I was hoping it was going to go away because of the pandemic in people don't seem to mind it but. The whole everybody dies thing. What does this even mean? Yeah. Yeah I want to scrape. Thanks. Yeah. Exactly. The kind of a Downer when you're watching wrestling show and then everyone must eat. Yeah. Yeah. I. I. Don't think that when you start. Have when you have a trademark line and it feels like this kind of empty platitude that you think. Sounds. Cool. But you can't really explain it or at least the people watching can explain it. It's time to either explain it or change it change it up. Everybody piece. I like. I like Jericho when Hager's a team going to take titles one of the positives last night in terms of the post all out. Direction. Jericho you know moving away from large cassidy that played itself out. Utilize Hager better. But you'll also let hager do the heavy lifting the matches. In Gerehu kind of pick a spots so that you're not over exposing Jericho at this point and making Jake work for his money which I'm in favor of by the way. So I like that like them as a team and I like that. I like that way to freshen up Jericho. Mixed feelings on this because I don't know where it goes like you're. Moving them into the tag division, they went to rack up wins and then get a tag title shot against FDR fellow heels I I'm guessing this is just their way of getting to Jericho and Haggar feuding with Lucas Orson Jungle Blah Jericho seems like he wants to help elevate people we did you know Orange Cassidy feud so I think it almost has to stop there unless they have different champions by the time you would get to that point. I so I'm okay with. They're going I guess but I think setting up Jericho in hager playing long here in into twenty twenty one to take on a baby face young bucks team if the bucks are going to baby faces that works for me and you form a team I don't think you I think you can take a journey through the division and I think there's multiple baby-faced teams that can face. But if the bucks are baby faces and Jericho in Hagerstown themselves as as a heel team whether it's for the belts or not I think that can work. Part of me though usually. You'RE THE CIRCLE Shouldn't Santan Ortiz be going after the ten titles wired they just and maybe maybe that's part of the story I don't know. Yeah. Yeah I, mean I guess that's that's just a story. You can tell I in the long run as far as. Building. Up. They talk about all time how deep the divisions so I think you can have two or three different take feeds going on at once and then you're left guessing. We're telling us about this. Wait I need to see it more I'm a little flustered by I guess, it's an incredibly deep division. What are the? What are these great tag-team views I know? Yeah. Well, hopefully, it's Trent and and he's with Santana Ortiz over his mom's minivan. That's where a little star power from. Jericho and Hager can help the division to. As you say, not your likes to elevate stars. So maybe he can help. Elevate and solidify the. 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PW TORCH VIP INFO DOT COM. What did you think of the debut of the former rousseff marrow? It worked only because it's Mirro and people were excited to see it you you. Basically, the guy could do almost anything and there's an audience out there that was going to be excited about it. But it doesn't mean it was good I. I don't understand the kids Abyan connection maybe it will make sense in time. I it was I. Think we've all talked about it. It's every. WWE castoff signed with TNA PROMO THAT WE'VE HEARD I it's It's we don't get all. We don't get a lot of those on dynamite. So I think it stands out to us because we delivered through all of those to a younger audience that they're trying to play to. That might be something kind of fresh like you can't believe. He said that where you know you and I have heard it all and really got this again. So I guess. I think it worked but I don't. Really. It's not because of really in booking or anything like that. Just work because people like him. Where does he fit in? Great question I don't know I. He's. Like he has all that charisma and people genuinely like the guy. I don't know what you do with it that as much as we'd all grumble Licko. Vince McMahon should be doing more with rousseff. I never had a good I like this is what they need to be doing it I. I never had those thoughts. He's just. Kind of a quirky dude I I. Love the he'll foreign minister character but once it got into rousseff day I didn't know what I wouldn't have had any great idea for them and I still don't I hope they have something great in mind that's how I feel I. Don't I don't know that I trust Awa to have that their creative team to look at Roussev. Look at. Miro and be like Okay. Here's we're going to do with this and be impressed with their idea. And he's a good test. Can you take somebody who Vince McMahon wasn't sure what to do with? There's something there. You know it clearly a connection with the audience but. Can he be more than Carter Shawn Spears turned out to be who he wasn't wwe. As Zack Ryder I had all these Xm ahead. Zack, Ryder might turn out to be what wwe at the level WB portrayed him like. At some point, eight w needs to hire somebody. And, reinvent them and you're like This is what Vincent C that that shapes and forms them into something that can be utilized higher on the card. And Really Click and I think bureau is a great opportunity for that I don't have the answer. It's not my job to have the answer but walking around smiling and making references to things that people on your social media is not a money character. At, it's collecting a paycheck by floating around and just being bliss. Like Hey this is fun. Look at me. I'm in the ring and I play video games and you people watch me and thank you and it's like wait a second pro wrestling is about. Having aspirations to prove you the best of what you do and then getting people to want to see you succeed or fail. And do. So in a way that has a character that's that's defined in a way. Where people can in a few words or a few cents it's explain who you are and why they don't like you and that's not where he is right now and this is a profession, not a hobby. So I, want to see him treat it like that in proof that there was more than gave him that chance. So this was the week one Provo I'm not encouraged by the fact that he comes out with Kim Saving and I think the joke is well the last time you saw him he was involved in a wedding situation with Lashley and looked now he's involved into waiting situation in W I isn't that great? No that's not enough for me. I need to know what the connection is Sabin and I need to know why a nice guy like hanging out with a jerk like Sapien who just insulted to other people who seem like Nice enough guys. So none of that makes any sense to me. And I know. The stock answer is we'll just give it time AWA playing long ball. It's like, yeah but at some point. You. Got To show me something. I hope you're more than the wedding, but I don't know what else should we be I? Don't know why. I don't know of any connection between the two that you know outside the industry that like super fans would be aware of Yup I. mean if they're trying to elevate saving through this amount, they've got an idea cool that he needs to improve his Mike I don't know who is he just? A been more impressed when it comes to Mike work by penelope four to than anything. Let's speak in this segment. Yeah, I don't I mean, I, did throw it out. There is a total on shines I. don't really think like are they going to have rousseff? Be The one to steal the girl this time in a fun way, and he ends up with Pinella before it even though in real life she is she really is getting married to Sapien and they have some fun with that. Until Lana shows up when her contract expires I, don't know but I can't say any anything that I'm brainstorming right now isn't that appealing to me? No, an aws derivative. Ingles on wwe you know. That's again that's just being the elite sill youtube silliness that you do with your friends on a weekend entertainment selves aws business of attracting next million finance, and that means not taking a bad angle that people hate it and wwe turning into some sort of sketch comedy on your own show. So. Yeah. Exactly. Not Not not not encouraged to impress at the moment. With a lot of things in AWA coming out of all out and I want to be so. Over A. People who shot with. What's that? They did have a lot of people who saw that episode numbers just came out. Chatting here. What what what they drop. One point zero one, six, million. Wow, that's huge. As they finished seventh they believe in the eighteen to forty nine demographic. So yeah, they were up on Tuesdays exceeded eight, hundred and thirty eight, thousand different night but Jill compared to. So yeah. They were up from nine twenty, eight last week so. There was an interest coming out of their pay per view, I think the. That's a big part of it. I see somebody online trend to point to mirrow. No, it doesn't work that way because no one knew he was going to be there but Yeah. So I think they can be very pleased by this and it is kind of a sign that when you're on actual pay per view, you might get that post pay per view surge unlike wwe and the network they really don't seem to get that like they wanted now the off of well, completely offload, but you know what I'm saying. Review. Next week there on Thursday next week. And back on Wednesday. And expertise definitely on Wednesday. But they were very confused last night a repeat themselves. So I don't know which one they didn't say it comes down to. Whether one of the NBA series goes I think six games or not. So if the game does I didn't even I I, think it was probably because it's even more confusing if you look on the onscreen. Next. Wednesday night late they have awa late night dynamite listed. And then Thursday it's listed as being like an unusual. You know the primetime slot but I think if they end up getting to run on Wednesday, they'll just do away with the Thursday Shaun of course, and the late night dynamite. So we may get three hours. Next week we may get to it may be Wednesday it may be on. Thursday there will be a quiz later would well I mean that's not a momentum. That's not a good way to follow up and momentum, and that's what I was getting at is draw this million plus same night live viewership super encouraging. WWe their lowest our the third hour at one point six million. I mean aws. Closing in on where you could imagine. Them being an shouting distance. I don't have the demos yet in front of me. For for how Awa did and the D-. Eighteen to forty, nine or eighteen to thirty four devil on your. Chart. I can pull that up here commissioner on. So. Many chain to thirty four. Now actually I don't see that. The overall eighteen to forty nine point three, seven, that number compared to raw rotted point four eight. So point four, eight, two, point three, seven in all adults eighteen to forty, nine that key demo. Eight over these can be happy with that because what USA's pain for raw. Is a lot more. There's a bigger gap between that and then what eight then what TNT is paying eight W for that for a demo number that's within twenty five percent so that I mean I don't overwhelm people's numbers on audio, but that's a key number if aid w can grow from there, that's good and my my concern if I may W is. Eight W. tends to be pretty proud of themselves. That's one of their traits I think to a fault. Maybe. They're more self-critical behind the scenes and what when you're a million plus people you know they're they have reason to be confident that what they're doing is working even if were critiquing aspects of it that that we think would make them art that I would argue with make them grow faster. But. I. Wonder. If last night show was the right show to get to get that viewership to come back and grow or do they see a drop off and unfortunately we don't have that consistent Wednesday Wednesday. Wednesday thing going so you can't really go well if they're not on their usual time slot and they're not advertising it. It's tough to judge whether it was a time slot move or they peaked and people don't like what they saw what away if they can keep around this number, even without a solid time slot that's really encouraging. But I do have to say just for the sake of being an analyst looking at the trend lines and tried to evaluate what's working what's not I'm looking forward to October. Just getting things back to normal exactly. Yeah. Because these are really interesting numbers annexed aws showing. Being separate nights might might be might be good for both companies. Yes. There's a little hot even my first reaction to that was. The idea like annex t moving permanently Tuesday's venture isn't GonNa go for it. He wants to use annex T to stunt the growth of Eight W. And, I think that's probably what's going to happen I. Don't know that he's going to be in a hurry the. Would help x t when you saw them on last week moving to the top ten in the key demo and they were down a little bit this week to fifteen or something like that. But I think the other side of it there's a lot of play here. USA. Network might be like. You know do you can can you sell them on? Well Yeah but this hurts our competition. We don't want them to grow and add benefits you right. If we're the number one company if you're looking ahead deal look at all of that is being branded as loser in this war against the rivals but he's the guy who if something happened advances likely going to be taking over as the face of the Company the I mean there's I think there's good arguments back and forth on this and I I don't know realistically if W E, will blink if that's something veg wants to do I just know selfishly Wade I did figure out over the last couple of weeks I like having it all in one night I don't like giving up an extra night off. Now, that's interesting because to me it was sort of I was I was I get? That but to me, it was more relaxing watching both annex TNA W on back nights like when I settle in watch dynamite I was like Oh this is nice i. don't. I'm not thinking about an x t going on at the same time in what I missing out on and what I have to watch next like I get the night off thing and I mean there's pros and cons to, both you know everybody needs time to recharge and all that but being having night for an extended having I for Awa at least in the short run worked for me but that said I as selfishly as somebody who's who's covering wrestling the head to head battle is really interesting and I Miss that if we didn't get it. So yeah, I mean Felix either way it's four hours of wrestling I. Look forward to watching and I. Think both shows are largely good even if I sound if I sound especially critical of Awa this week it's built up in my mind this week show like this was a show that was really going to move things forward and resolve things and bring things into focus. I. Built this show up in my mind something that would be better than it was in resolved more things and then get as much of that but in general I really look. Forward to next so just being able to have them each other own night. It's something that that was kind of Nice this week I'll put it that way. You must be hating Robert now where feuds just don't change. The entire like mid card is just a same matches week after week. Yeah Yeah I. Mean Honestly I'm not I don't I don't dread raw avionics to your smackdown right now he's in smackdown when people have been ripping on it. It's been the things that bother people about it. I get I acknowledged they don't bother me as much. There's there's actually things that I get more bothered by on shows that I like more than the things that bother other people on smackdown on a show that I like glass and. I know that it's kind of hard to. It's just it's just on a personal level. You know there's just things that aws it actually bug me more than a lot of things about smackdown that bug people on smackdown more. But part of that has to do with what you can be and some of the nonsense that I think that that happens on that show that distracts from the things that can really help it grow at a much faster. I i. think it's because of we're pressure offer good edition of smackdown and they turned Raines. I'm not dreading that show like was for a while there. Roy is one right now I mean I still enjoy McIntyre and Randy Orton. Program and there's there's things along the way I think some of it just might bitterness with that show that Monday was dressed rough and in two of the last three, the one I, think three episodes was just brutally bad It's three hours and. I'm they're big idea to combat the ESPN Monday night football doubleheader was to rush into Oscar against Mickie James and give us a champions versus champions tag team which. Guys are on fire keeping up. Yeah. No I know. I know. I don't know what kind of hot shotting. Raw should be doing up against football either like I. Mean they could have moved to raw. Be bothered advertised matches until. An hour before the show lately. But the advertising those matches for next week I I don't know what to. Do they. That's Why we're GONNA show them. Because seriously You might get one match advertising they advertised rollins, mysterious leak outon. They couldn't deliver because of injury but other than that. I'll this week was another case of tell you anything until like an hour before the show well, and that's and that's part of it. I mean is you have to come up with this stuff before you advertise it and I don't I don't think that they're thinking that far ahead. Most of the I. Think the writers are I. Just think they get overruled last minute a crazy elderly gentleman. Who am I happy, Jason. Oh. Yeah. We'll leave it to people people speculation. Need an extra dose of positivity in your wrestling podcast will come join me out for L. 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Mean now we got rains as a clear-cut top chosen chosen top act on smackdown and you have to ruin raw i. think the comparisons are there are going to be there if they each remain champion for a long time and then they're gonNA eventually cross paths. How was drew doing as as a lead baby face with the the handicap of not having that True in-person live crowd playoff of for that feedback. Dusty can you know I think he's doing a really nice job. They. I didn't like what Mondays Angle did to Randy Orton catching him take three Klay more kicks. I know they were just trying to even the score up. But I think it did send the message that head or very serious about drew McIntyre you don't see. Randy. Orton. Especially in the midst of this big, he'll run the he's in a just take ask kicking like that throughout the course of the show they are definitely in the business of making drew McIntyre look good and even if it came at the expense of Randy, Orton for one week cool because it's Randy Orton, he'll get feedback. So I was okay with it and but I think overall gap McIntyre can take when they give them a chance. He delivers on the Mike. He's good in the ring that there's really nothing to like there. Yeah, I thought I. I've been a fan of your McIntyre's act and I think playing off of somebody of rain, your legacy status and being treated as an equal. Good. Having drew, come back, defy management and kick Randy Orton around. I think that worked for me because there's GonNa be a Evan flow to to who has the advantage and all that, and I'm interested to see what Randy's push back is on the Mike and if there's anything physically does and you know I mean, I gotta fill TV time and try to keep the food hot and so There's You can you can just do the formula of each week the rest are just talks. You know we trust the rest are just talk but I get the challenge of trying to figure out a way to get through on TV. and. The real the just realistically needing to have some interaction with randy in some form or fashion to create heat in an ebb and flow between who has the advantage. So I was I was fine with. With what they did on Monday and other foreseen. What Randy how Home Ready Response Yeah. Yeah. I just wonder how many people will actually see that. You wherever you with though because normally we okay Monday night football, not just next week but long term they're going to take a chunk out of the raw ratings they are. We have. We reached that point where this is just the core wrestling audience who's going to launch no matter what almost they may lose a little, but it may not be as much as most years well, I think with wwe the way to get better ratings as to just have a better product overall just be better booking more appeal to the core demographics in a better way I mean the. Chart for the ratings since since you did and the eighteen to thirty, four, male demo eight point two, six rod at a point, two nine. So in that young male demo w Ross, still reaching more people by the way, but they have a massive advantage you know I mean the idea that were three tenths that it's it's a ten percent difference. Between runs fact downright Iran Awa right now for that eight for the young male demo is insane after less than a year you know. So that's you know, yes, Roy Moore by the inertia in the in the built in advantage that they had in the budget and everything. It's just it's crazy that it's that close so. Raw isn't gonNA be able to hotshot its way by. Putting on a super card on Monday. Now, they could do draft night opposite of Monday night football. When debuts re reshuffled things in that way. They could have done, spin the wheel, make spin the wheel, pick a gimmick. Asian. Amir. Yeah I mean they could do that stuff I. The fact that they're not I think they're they're just they've done this for so long they thought so many battles and the battle that counted the most was signing the contract with Fox and NBC Universal and once they did that. I just think they're like, yeah. I. Mean they're just of like we got our money. There's going to be a drop in ratings when you go against football and that's just the way it's going to be, and we're not gonNA pull our hair out trying to prevent the inevitable from happening in. We're not gonNA. Mess up our booking cadence tried to mitigate it when it probably will have a negligible with that. I mean, it's a long season. If they're assuming the can play the full season. He started taking I mean next week again I I. It is what night one doubleheader generally your face. A double header is all that excitement of it being week one but. I do worry in a long term but I it's like I said at the same time I do wonder if we reached that point. were, close to this is just the hardcore wrestling number audience there. You're naturally going to lose a few people. But I don't know that the cut is going to be as dramatic because. Ross still against the NBA playoffs NHL Playoffs and football is king. But still I just I think sunk so low that this is largely their audience. And Yeah I mean next week I do expect them to take that big hit but this season in general I just don't the percentage is going to be a steep. No they threw two things out there on raw that were meant to kind of fresh and things up or ground and retribution that those are two. Concepts that they introduced try to add a little life to to to the show when the ratings were run a slide. Retribution side of things any. Any. Additional theories or conclusions on what this group is GONNA end up revealing itself to be and what where, where, where the end point is when we talk about eight. Oh you having an endpoint with the elite. Well, that's been going on it feels like years but those story lines. But for a year roughly with doe to be, it's only been a few weeks with retribution but I think people are ready to move on from flickering lights and taking over the electronics in running in and hitting people and standing tall and masks. So are we closer de idea of where they're going with us? Not I mean I don't know what the explanation is GonNa. Be obviously they're. Talking to their wrongly WWe somehow. So it's led to a lot of speculation that this is like people who were caught by the company at one time or another that does make me think that what we the cuts we just saw with Ao P.. May Not be real and I'll feel bad because I mean it's their employment I don't like talking about that if it's legit and we'll we'll find out but the reason I say that is because if you read their update the the announcement of their release, I think almost every other time. If not every other time they've listed the real names of the talented they're releasing. They didn't do that here. They just they wished Achim rays are the best in their future endeavors and that immediately grabbed my attention. could this be storyline and I mean they've had a lot of injuries. I would Vince McMahon give up on two young Jack, do it's like twenty six and twenty seven years old so unless there's something that we don't know about from behind the scenes. I know it's a pandemic. Can you gotTa make some tough decisions? Those guys don't seem like the type that he's GonNa cod especially with aws looming. Wrestling fans are you that person that works in a pro wrestling reference to every aspect of your life? Well, we're those kind of people to, but we do. So with mixed martial arts, I'm Robert Hosts of enemy talk for pro wrestling advanced every Monday on W. Torches daily cast lineup. Not only do we cover every? You have see Bella tour event, we provide context that. Only a wrestling fan would really understand I. Mean we're the type of people that if you ask us about how much of a mess, the middleweight title situation is were likely to reference WCW in the early nineties. 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So I throw Aaron Stevens and me a Yemen I di- Jakovic out there as possible connect as as wrestlers among those who are being speculated. Well Aaron Stevens as a new one. But yeah how do you feel about the speculation? You've heard Aaron Stevens. A particular and the other names in general. I don't really see where Stevens would fit in. Maybe it's just because I'm so used to seeing him be really fun character of fun comedy. He'll indie Nwea, and then you think back, of course to ms Dow I really liked the NWEA wasn't big missed out, but a lot of people were. Can Flip that switch I just don't know that. That's him. I. Don't know that he's going to look the part so I can't tell you. It's not that he's not involved but I can't say excites me There's other things to do with him add So neom loss match, you mentioned her Chelsea Greens kind of disappeared they from annex t a lot of speculation she might be part of this. There's also speculation that Mercedes. Martinez her loss to rea- Ripley the in the cage match may have already been her people off. She could be part of this and and there's people who think that I don't know. I haven't looked closely enough that she was the one delivering the Female Promo on Monday I'm not sure. So I mean there's a and you know we don't know if all these people playing these parts are going to be unmastered they're just stand INS but. It's not like there's this. It wealth of talent out there right now I mean with a w and just all these other promotions I don't. I can't think of too many people. I can't I mean the only one that jumped out at me was. Hey Way Barrett signed. I'm going to do something with like a new next bringing. I don't know that he wants to wrestle though, but could he be the spokesperson for he's still going on color commentary I don't want it to be. A leader of a faction when he's doing a good job on color commentary but I, mean, it won't be bad. I mean we got an advertise match this week. So that's something but in the Once before and didn't deliver don't get your hopes up. And most of it took place off camera I. Love How there's this intense fight you gotta see this it's going. It's great situated man. Oh, they out of the Ring Art, we'll cut to a break and they come back and they go to a different Matt should they ten minutes later they go back to the ring. Is Is it. Working. For you what do you? Know I I. Don't I keep waiting for something to happen and nothing really happens which. I liked Babatunde. Does what they call now. When they were showing to who also I like him remember him from the vault paper view. and. It's like, okay. If you're going to introduce a couple of guys this way rather than standards boss you WanNa. Introduce them this way the standard washing with them. Fine. But I don't really get Dolf ziglar showing up and having fights and the Viking raiders having fights even if like the Viking raiders can work that style. Okay. Why why are they doing it? What's where's this going and I don't know if it's connected retribution somehow Is and there's an actual end date to this because it just seems like. Here's a thirty second fight. Yeah, and here's another one and Oh yeah, the one time a fight goes along. They. They feel the need to show us the handicap match with Nyah Jack Sorta whatever or Shane Basil or whatever. It was instead of the actual good fight. I. It just doesn't seem to be going anywhere I. Don't know that there's a real vision for this other than. To Watch them thirty second fights in the third hour of raw. Yea I'm not I don't have more confidence that there's some big story arc planned for this, and it really is just a concept to shake things up because we don't have crowds and. I I could see this fading away. I could see maybe a loose idea is whoever the four standouts are. And they don't have master planned out but let's say ideas ultimate. We're going to pick four guys who have looked the best. She's going to have run aground tournament of champions and they're gonNA have a semifinals and a final, and that's it, and then it just maybe comes back in the future maybe doesn't and to me that's kind of where I'm leaning I think it's open ended I don't think they have a master plan. Maybe they want to get one or two guys over, and that takes place in some sort of semi final when the ready to write out the con- right off the concept. Maybe I. That it's all worth I don't know. If, you want introduced avocado this way. But. Couldn't get the same effect that have just doing it. Having industry people in thirty seconds squashes using that same style. Yeah you could I get. This is more like Vince. Go give me some ideas rating sock and this was pre pre thunderdome. So let's do something that shakes up to look at the show and I. It just comes across like that to me. It didn't doesn't seem like this. This concept that that has a higher aspiration. Then let's get through the next month or two was something different and they formulate this and. And you know they know. They can look at the minute by minute soon decide if they want to keep it around longer or shorter based on whether it's holding interest I I don't know that it's doing great damage I mean. It's it is a break in the pace in format. I don't dread watching it, but it feels like a band aid on on a larger issue with with you know wwe and raw. Then then some great concept that's going to stick around indefinitely. You know my favorite part, of RAW. has become that those like. Fifteen seconds they spend. Patting themselves on the back over how great thunderdome is and how. Totally W Universe by storm accelerate I I just. Who Do you think you're fooling with we see we see what it is. It's fine. But nobody's freaking out about it. I know. Yeah. Yeah it is. The superlatives that get officially assigned to things are are always fun to watch. Michael Culkin go. They held back to smackdown stay there you can pick on. Tom Phillips for being a robot he doesn't use those same three words about your McIntyre over and over and over again, we'll see if he gets forced to this week if it was a whole thing or a Vince McMahon thing but oh, my God was going yeah. How do you think Joe sits doing on by the way? Got Big shoes to fill it. You know I I guess I think we'd Barry so good that I haven't really keyed in on vic yet, but I liked nick when he was on raw thought he was fine and so I think he'll do a good job here. It's just there's a notable difference without Marlins for some people. That's a good thing for others. It's a bad thing I? I tend to enjoy Moro's work I thought he really became that Voice of exte- but you know I'm not going to hold that against pictures too. 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A big episode of annexed. Reference the the cage match a moment ago Vin Beller winning the Eddie title in two thousand, three minutes I was thinking. Ballard was a all along that Ballard was a good choice because I feared that if he didn't win, it would sort of define him down is a guy who couldn't cut out on the main roster, and now he's just sort of. A Legacy Guy Gatekeeper point people over on annex t but his career is winding down this I think establishes that he is relevant and he's at the top of his game and on an medicines is still have room to convince your viewership and substantial I mean eight, hundred, twenty, eight, fifty, last two weeks. You know that's not that's that's nice. Viewership halfwits were rostered. Our drew this past week. And I think they can grow from there but. You're telling that audience annexed a better job than Vincent it with Ballard. I think part of next these brand has to be that. That guys that Vince doesn't know what to do with or lose interest in or utilizes poorly, we can be the reclamation site for them. You can't do that with a bunch of guys, but Ballard is certainly a good candidate and I. Think it's working. So I liked, I, liked that call and I like Adam, Adam Cole pivoting does something else your thoughts? I do like, yeah. That was my guess what they were doing the four-way just looking at the candidates so. We've kind of we've obviously just been there and done that with call. It's more intriguing to me to see what comes next recall after that long tidal rain rather than putting the belt back on him and championing Engano kind of same thing and and so ballard gives them that face of the Buran as the champion he's personal in of you can work for you know he can working against baby vases and heels and. Do, whatever they want him to do, and this this does make him feel really relevant again. So I thought that was the right move and now the thing that one other thing to add to my aarp conspiracy theory. Like even interested in, want him look at the tag division can't tell me triple h wouldn't be can't. We'll take them back. Yeah Match, quality-wise I really liked what they did. With Ballard Colt to baby faces wrestling largely within the ropes. Telling nicely pay story. Starting off in first and second gear, then kicking it up I just I thought it was a smart efficient effective match that didn't overdo it on finisher kick outs had just enough to to match a twenty twenty style your thoughts. Very. Good. I was. Obviously. There's just. So matches a Gosh I wish there was a crowd and that's one of them but they did a great John I the. The funding of that looking forward to it's just a small detail is. So, eventually would think, I mean if they don't do another title change, we're going to get Fan Ballard defending against carry on cross and just how much will they reference Finn being the guy who won the title on head to forfeited albeit different? Championship. When he won that universal title had to forfeit the next day, which is exactly what cross had to do I. think that sets up a fund scenario there. Yeah Yup. Overall how do you feel about just the next brand? Are they in a good spot rebuilding? Where do you? Evaluate kind of the scheme of things coming out of. Takeover now entering the fall season. Tag Division has definitely down. There that's probably the weak spot right now for annex t otherwise I. Think they're in a pretty good place. We don't know who's all going up officially because of retribution but you know they have an champion back and and it's lost cross and losing keithly even though it may not feel like a big deal right now seeing what they're doing them on raw which. but it is a big loss. So you lose your two guys who just headlines your takeover show the yet it you know it feels like it feels like there's plenty going on and it doesn't feel like they're gonNA, skip a beat. So I think they're. They may be losing this ratings battle or viewership battle to Awa. Dynamite on a regular basis, but it doesn't mean it's bad show very entertaining show. Yeah. Yeah. You gotTA. Get. Some slack to accompany that loses arrests or that they were just ready to build around. So I, you know give them some some wiggle room there just like I did for aws when they were dealing with pandemic and limited roster and doing the tapings and. All of that. So. In fairness do that but. Annex just. Dies aren't decide the lows arches low but I think it's A. A fundamentally. Sound show that knows what it is and has a certain certain parameters that it that that books within when it comes to the wrestling matches the dinner with a Garganas and Robert Stone That those are things that go a little bit against I think the perception and the history of what's annex t is or even should be. Yet at the same time. I, there's other things that they're doing that that. Could see that that show they're not moving away from from what they once were just just the way that they're pushing Brown rate is just it's so annex t to to establish a new guy and to do it in this kind of thoughtful methodical way. Getting a good win against Austin theory. But both guys win in the process based on other featured. But so he's not losing its identity with me. But I think they're trying to sprinkle in some other things to see if they can't expand their viewership or or or break up the idea that the show is just for a certain type of fan and you can try to be all things to all people in be nothing nothing that anybody likes but. I get an and I'm okay with them tried to inject some other things into the product, and so I are they how do you feel about that? Do you think it's that dinner with Gargano does and Robert Stone in particular are turning people off or do you think that it's fine or do you think it's good to add that stuff tax team? It's turning me I just because I think they could be doing more Robert Stone as as a real. Manager of not the comedy figure management I think there's some talent there and it's just the same joke every week it's how did they get to it? How does this guy be made a fool of week in week out he plays it well, but for me, it's like. Well, if you did that once every six months instead it would mean something it just I. I don't think the gag is as cute as they think it is I think they're squandering talent there but as far as the bigger picture of adding some of that. I don't personally need it but if they feel like, Hey, you know. We need to sprinkle in a little Vince McMahon ha to keep him happy or they actually think that's a a key ingredients. Okay. Able. We'll see I I. Don't think it is I don't. I don't think it matters. I I. Just I. think There's an audience that would appreciate it pretty straightforward product and I just I don't always think that things are as beneficial as they do. So. What do you think about what impact wrestling has done coming out Osama for Serie? They had an influx of new names. Is it. Are you in favour what they're doing with. Eric young and how hard they're pushing them considering how he was utilized by an t and especially WB main. Roster I'm fine with Eric gone in this position because I think impact is accepted themselves for what they are. Now they're not competing with wwe directly in a realistic way and he somebody that means something their world I would've had an issue because somebody told me ligament when did they just do it on night one? When he came in just having winning slam bursary I would've rejected that that was just you know it's like Oh, this is your big surprise Eric. Young he wins the title now, but you established to he was quickly and effectively he is now just this maniacal character I wish he'd stop referring to himself as a world-class maniac because maniacal people don't say that about themselves he does. but otherwise, you know he's comes any pros to fit. He beats the holy hell of rich Swann he takes the title and they do the the Swan retirement angle and and obviously I would think that's going to be here bound for glory main event is rich on returning to look for revenge and trying to take that Title I it doesn't bother me that he didn't work in wwe because again he means something there and I think most people are just going to look at it as. They could've done more with him I don't think they needed to w. we could have done a little more sure. Was He gonNa be a star for them to know so I don't blame wwe in this case but I also think he's he's a a a nice fit for impact and and. They shouldn't be leery of in his case, go WWe wasted this guy and made him look bad we we can't. We can't be doing more with him. I. Wish they'd be doing more with heath then recreating his weird smackdown storyline. Gal was an Android Jenner. There they they look strong early, and maybe it's just a week where they really didn't have much to do. So that's. kind of lukewarm on it but EC three has been compelling. Trying to think of who else water city but she and guns are you know? Yeah. Tradition yeah yeah I mean. I think they'd be a good addition to aws. There's roster for them are hack WWe in the take of it think Sabin works behind the scenes impact because I remember asking somebody about them for another group and whether this was before he went to impact and was a guy saving only wants to work impact I mean doesn't mean if the money's there that things might be different but they're they've been really nice addition and I know there's somebody else in forgetting that came into probably in the women's division. I mean definitely Deanna Paraggio has been a really strong and then. They're trying to make it work again with. Dash. would. I. Nobody's been able to since the days in annexed team maybe this will be the time I. Don't know but they're trying to give her a boost. We'll see how that goes. 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So go VIP PW TORCH VIP INFO dot com subscribe to our podcast feed and listen in a streamlined way with no interruptions to all of our podcasts again, that's pw torch VIP INFO dot com. The controversy over wwe wrestlers and third party social media. I hope AWS settles down on referencing it. Your Fun. But then move on. But how do you? How do you feel about that W put their statement out they compare themselves what to to Disney and and Mar- marvel or something like that. I can remember exactly and their released what companies are they reference but I mean is there's something to that or they. Disney. This reputation for you know if you were a daycare center new painted a Mickey Mouse on the window within hours, there'd be some guy from Disney some lawyer from Disney knock door go and take that down. You don't have rights to it. But there's you know there's something on the legal side of things about there's a wrestling. There's a perception of wrestlers as independent contractors and wrestling came from and W and wwe. Inheriting that as part of their as part of their model, and then there's also if you were to start arresting from scratch and you were to say, let's create the fiend and let's hire someone to play that role. It totally makes sense that W W we would want that person to be going out in monetize being that independently and separately of their oversight. and. So is wwe ignoring what wrestling is or people on the wrestling side of things not taking into account what wwe has for better for worse actually become. And that it is different than sports entertainment, and then there's a side issue of how they tried to screw pass regardless of what our contracts say with our talent, which was pretty pretty rich of them. But anyway, your thoughts Jason Not all this. So. If it is the I don't think it's the hangup is with. Undertaker wants to take his undertaker name somewhere. or feeling he mentioned the. No let's just I'm sorry but those talents can't. monetize that without W W we being involved in getting their cut the issue is. We'll just stick with the fiend fiend. Wants to put his real name out there Windham, Rotunda and make some money off at that way. Should he be able to? It depends on what the contract reads. It depends on whether or not. That can actually be enforced regard civil reads and I just don't know it certainly be we're talking to a lawyer about you may might be one of those things where you talked to lawyers and they tell you two different things I wouldn't like because. I don't know that back in the day hulk, Hogan could have gotten away with. A terrible as like you know doing this commercial under his real name and things would have been fine and it's been this way for years with their characters day create the character. Even if you created in within the company, they still maintain the rights. It's something that impact tried to enforce legally they could have my issue with impact wasn't so much they were. Yes. This happened the Matt Hardy Character, the broken universe. From a legal standpoint, you may be in the the right on this from a moral standpoint. You're not. You're not GonNa do anything with that. You're just trying to stop him from using something that let's face it he by and large created if it were wwe. They wouldn't have backed down like impact I. Give Him Credit I think for they are in the world. It makes sense to try to be a little more wrestler friendly rather than. Just try to be bullied their way into. No you're not taking your gimmick with you a so they did the right thing but with wwe I'm never surprised when they try to protect their character names but. There again I. I don't know enough from a legal stand I wouldn't think you could stop. Windham Rotunda from doing something if he went under that name and there was no reference to the fiend and he didn't dress like the fiend. Yeah. Yeah I, I. Want To. See how this plays out a little bit more if wwe. Loosens up or or or Pushes back harder on this and I. You know ultimately how big of a deal is it for wrestlers wwe said in a press release by having. The type of control over how are characters and and and being able to monetize. Wrestlers when they work for us. Capitalizing on simply the fact that they work for us is part of what allows us to pay them well. and. That could open up a can of worms to with wwe in terms of wrestlers going okay. You've now bragged how you're paying a swell that opens the door. How well are you paying us? Let's see what percentage just going to this and that, and it's I don't know the legal in and outs enough to know and. Gone when he was asked about it hedged I don't know if hedges a word, but he's like. I want to be better than that but I also understand. You know WWe's desired to not let things get. Out of hand in terms of this, this new, this new landscape, this this new world of how. Wrestlers can find a way to monetize themselves separate from working for the company. So I don't know I I think it's it's. It's if anyone sees this as dry in real simple. I would like to hear that argument because to me I, think we're in kind of new frontiers and it just something that needs to work itself out and my knee-jerk reaction isn't. I don't have any action pro or con as much as I KINDA WANNA. Learn more end. Yeah. Really try to be fair to both sides and also. Just was okay with made. If. So they they cited Marvel UK. I'm trying to think the guy who play store. What's his name? Do you know you're asking? Oh Gosh I can't I just can't think of it. It's one of the brothers I'll look it up here while we're talking but and so. For. Actor. If. He wants to go out and shoot a commercial Chris. Hemsworth if Chris wants to go out and shoot a commercial for McDonald's. Kenny does it as Chris Hemsworth? And there's no th or Hammer, and there's no costume. SHUT, up marble. There's nothing you say yeah. Yeah, I think that's the key thing here. We're obviously, if he dresses up like thord and immortals can like wait a minute we want our cut of this and that I think that's what wwe trying to do with these talents. What's an example of where you think wwe has gone too far based on Wrestler who works in quote someone who's WHO's an independent contractor according to the contract that they signed Doing something that we're wwe's overstepping their bounds and saying, don't do that anymore. Might be this might be. If they're using their real names. On Day. That would be an interesting legal debate if you. I assuming AJ styles is on there as Alan Jones I. I don't know which guy. But if he if he's on on their AJ styles, well, that's an issue. Then wwe can tell them to stop that. But if he's on their own using his real name I, don't see why he wouldn't have the right to be able to do that again, they're the. of their contract may shade otherwise but well, and then what's what's what's he doing on twitches at playing off of AJ styles the character In the rest these playing video games and answering fan questions. Justice. Oh, I mean if Chris Hemsworth van convention people. With anything. Yeah. No, and that's that's where W says. We're GONNA take advantage of the independent contractor classification and not having to. Pay Medical Insurance and 401K's and vacations and everything that comes with with being classified as a full-fledged employ but. You're not going to be able to under your own name play video games online. And not do it in a way that's trying to you know playing off of your your character in other words the proverbial. Thor Hammer. Isn't involved. I. Mean that does seem like does is overreaching. Yes Yep. Yeah. But if If somebody is is. Going on social, media. And putting content out where it's very wwe driven in terms of their character. The questions are all about I. Don't know. But even then like the idea Zach Ryder ran into an issue. Yeah. Because if you're if you're doing a bout. As as an independent contractor actor athlete. And a sports entertainer and you WANNA do a Q. and A. About your decision for Debbie the character you play in your out of character. I. Mean. You should be able to talk about your job with W. W eight on. Social Media. I don't see why not. Yeah. So I think obviously wbz inclined to do I believe whether it's with cameo or whether it's with twitch or a competitor of those services they wanNA. Get. Some big group thing I'll wwe has to deal with this outlet and they're gonNA claim all the wrestlers you're going to benefit from it. If they do you know history says it'll probably be for pennies on the dollar if they even see anything. Yup Yup. and. If that's the grand strategy. and. That's all there is. I don't play for saying, Hey, we want to make as much money as you can with the talent that we want. But to say that that would exclude wrestlers who we benefit by classifying as independent contractors and they slip that line in their regardless of how we classified them. That's county If you stop them from actually being able to be independent and engage in this stuff I, I don't think that would mean in that circumstance. I don't think it would hold up. I. Just I think the key is is are they? In some tangible or just anyone would see it as such that they're playing the character they play on. WWe. But then you know this, this then gets into people complained for years Widodo Exchange everybody's name, and why do they have to do that and it's like well, this is why they do it because as a business, they have people on the business side and the legal side saying if we're gonNA monetize these characters, we need to make sure they're differentiated from anything else anywhere from anything that they've been doing anywhere else where they had already established themselves. Christian got to be Christian cage in TNA. because. They didn't change him enough although I don't think would be cared enough when they call them Christian when he first arrive. I don't think they thought that would be a problem that being prior to wwe. That's my thing and so when when he became Christian that be w didn't go well, you can't be Christian 'cause even Christian agent someday that's GonNa. Come back to bite us when you go to a competitor and use Christian cage's and aiming at my point. Yeah. So my point is. Doing their thing wrestlers push back but if they would be overreaches. And push and try to pull back on things that restaurants doing that they just find fun you know and it keeps them saying they're not can how shows and in a way they see it as it's helping build up a fan base that benefits W W we. It is going to play into wwe not being a wrestler friendly place to work and I think that's the balanced. Tony. Kahn's try to find is you know sometimes he might go too far the other way and you can see him trying to speak carefully because he doesn't want to say something and then have to back down from it and he does want to protect the intellectual property of a w but also not come across as control freaks try to pinch every penny out of on a talented in treating them like you own every aspect of their lives even when it's not part of their official WWE job duties. And and just to be clear in this isn't the wrestler researches having fun of their downtime. There's nothing in it for them. I mean this is there's financial motivations and. For for doing cameo especially just and it's not if you want to sit there on tuition and play video, you're getting money for it, and so that's this has become kind of a side income for especially some of the lower end talent that isn't being paid a lot of money by WWe. They're the ones with think they're gonNA take the biggest head AJ styles. I'm sure it's being very well compensated extra money's nice but he can live without it. It is those lower and talents that you feel for that you know. It's just the way the history works at the company and the wrestling business. They're going to not have able to. They you know somebody may try to voice their opinion, but it usually comes back to haunt them. If the higher the wrestlers who were higher on the food chain, we're being paid more money as long as they're compensated. Well. Chances are they're not going to talk about something like this because it's not a big source of revenue for them. They may put a little initially but as long as they're told, we're GONNA make it up to you. That's great but it's the lower talent. Has To, just sit there and take it and that that parking is very unfortunate but that's the wrestling business and so. On a scale of to five sympathizing with wrestlers one five sympathizing with wwe and you could be five on both one on both in the sense of Hey wbz right to fight for what they want. But I get the restaurants perspective to. OR ONE WB five wrestlers I'm totally synthetic wrestlers and Debbie are just they're. Overreaching and they're treating their their talent like they own them even though they don't WanNa pay and benefits like where are you on that one to five? For. WWe. Okay. So two separate issues when it comes to hey I, want I want to be the undertaker and go on Cameo and go on on on twitch but I don't want to give you a penny W W W well one hundred percent behind wwe. That's just not fair. That's that is their name. It's you know it's their creation when it's hey, I wanna go is more calloway and beyond twitch and beyond cameo and and I don't want to give you anything. I I I'm probably like a four because it some of it is to notoriety I guess you know if I'm wwe. Towns are making extra money that in many cases they could use. Come up with a fair compromise. Don't not just one that. Really. The company it and adds extra work to the plate of these towns who can kind of pick and choose when they do it now, and now you're just GonNa, add it to their their regular schedule and you gotta be on twitter at this time it. Now. Make it worth their while and not just a good for the company. So it's good for you. Yup Yup Fair enough I just anything else you want to bring up. I Man I think we've covered a lot of ground damn. Said pay per view series that starts Tuesday that they're not doing a good job of promoting at all. Yeah I wish them well but. I keep waiting for them to do some form of advertising, get some people out there for interviews and so far. Nothing's really happening. They're just hoping he got the initial press release it to go to the twitter pitch to find. It's really strange. Would we're talking before we went on the air about the NFL season kind of sneaking up on us without the preseason games and all that but looking forward to it your. Official pick for Viking packers or do you have not enough to base it on when it comes to our kicking off the season with with a I mean I guess I'll ask it this way. Would you rather play other week one or would you rather know a little bit more about both teams before they play each other? Normally I'd be like, Hey, let's get it on. This is great. They did that year. I, don't know I think it was cousins first year early in the season at Lambeau knows a lot of fun. But, this year I'd much rather and part of it's the Viking personnel. Do this a little big give us week five weeks six before the first one because we have. New quarterbacks going against Aaron Rodgers There are no preseason games. I would like to kind of ramp up to it, but also it is you know on a on a personnel basis let some of those younger players kind of settle in but you know, hey, they're in the same spot with some of their players. I. Think we have. We've had more turnover than them but. I picked the packers to win and IT'S NOT A. Rogers picks them apart but I think it's because likings have a pretty noticeable hole up the Middle Tier. You're going to really be able to run run up the gut on them. They had that free agent edition that was and they because they let Lindvall. Joseph go and then they've run in I. Think it was Michael Pierce to play on defensive tackle and he opted out due to health issues with with code that I think he is asthmatic or something on the totally understand what he would opt out, but they haven't been able to replace him and so I don't I think they're going to struggle to just stop the basic up the middle I think that's going to be. Until they can that up you know it could be a long season with teams just getting very basic running. On that's not being able to do anything about it. Well now I'm like thirty percent less excited about Sunday's Jason. Thanks. Hey the last time I was really down on the Vikings was against the New Orleans saints in the playoffs and worked out okay. All right I'll take that. I'll take that. Yeah. Cool. Well, thanks Jason will take a deep breath with no major wrestling shows on pay per view this weekend for the first time in a while and we'll talk to you dollar line. Shells. Great, way. Soon. We're now on Patriot that's right. 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Knockouts and 3 Counts  Episode 103

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Knockouts and 3 Counts Episode 103

"You're listening to the PODCAST DETROIT visit. WWW dot I'd passed Detroit Dot Com before information. Everybody's steady biasio man and want to get your bunny wore. Stay right here too. You're listening to knock out the drink out remember. This is Don Western. I'm telling you knock out to three counters. podcast bathing mixture. That's a winter tech out. Because nobody like me. They're the real dale a roberts no need to this new suit up dams. This is the ring of honor. World Television Aka Shane teaboy the baddest champion. Have you ever seen what everybody this kyle. And you are listening to knock outs and three counts as you can see. I'm the only one in the studio but Kyle will be calling in and on the line with US got Devon to Bradman throughout your social media quick follow me on twitter at Devon's six three as DVI VI. Anti Acu. Six three. You can follow me on Instagram Austek. No sizzle that's one word. 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We're GONNA be talking all about Awa. Full Aaron Star Cast. Yes yes I was there Sir Sir Sir Throughout any your social media sort of the show social media's or anything like that you know you can find me at Eh on twitter instagram at Detroit nocco on twitter and instagram on facebook kyle cows and make sure you're following the show at KABC pod Kale three seed pod dot com knockouts and three counts. PODCAST CAST on facebook. Obviously if you're watching you know that but also knockouts and three counts on Youtube where you can check out all of our interviews star cast. We've got interviews up there just from this weekend with pass. Ask The show Eric Bischoff. We've got interviews up there with Lucia. Soroush we've got interviews up there with jungle. Boy We got interviews up there with Marcos stunt. We've got interviews up dare with Debbie Allen which caused us to go viral which. We'll talk about that a little bit later we've also got Let's see Colt. Cabana passes the show we talked to him too and and we've got the hangman and he was doing cowboy shit so there's plenty of stuff for you to find on our youtube in our facebook and our instagram and all them shits. Yeah Megan Mega people know where they can find you. Man Yeah Man. Make sure you're checking us out. Man You never know where I might pop up next. So what's pillow talking about. Well where do you WANNA start first. You WanNa start well. Do you think we should start. Star cast first. And then we'll go eight. W and then we gotta talk about some B.. CWA's you got a a What's the what's the name of the show? They got the royal rumble. This weekend. what I'm champion. That thank you. I couldn't spit out the name. I'm sorry Mike Blackwell. But yes W. A. as always at the Copeland Center on Fourth Street Wind Out Michigan you need to be their big royal rumble style match. You've got you've got passes show the FRO gun. Dread King Logan Justin main. I mean I can keep going Like I say make sure you're checking it out man. They're gonna be going hard this weekend. Saturday night. Copeland Center wind up Michigan. Make sure you there. Abby have you heard about the big announcement was made today today or yesterday. And what would that announcement be all. You're going to enjoy this matter. So the Bay Massey announced was allow. beefcakes going up against against the bumping I love this shit. Oh my God that makes me so fucking happy makes me. He's so happy. Shout out to Rob Diak. I know you watch this shit. That's the basis of their band. And you might just be seeing them play a show at a local wrestling show soon more to come on that soon but If you haven't seen the bump and uglies and tag team action you fucking need to all the more reason that you should be a BBC wm this weekend. Yeah I'm looking forward to that man. We saw Allow beefcake we saw him was. That was a sick of the myopic. Yeah allow Lucia. Yeah Yeah legit and Joyce did you see half of HAL beefcake Idris Ebrahim was on smackdown. Recently Kylie. Didn't even have to come into the studio and you're still late. Thank you so much turn up volume or cow. Your social media find me on instagram twitter at Tim. Chaos K. A. Y.. uh-huh as I can find me on facebook Kyle J Campbell. You can also find all the show Kinda podcasts list You can find that on facebook and listen to this show. Everybody listen to OCTA. So we said we're GONNA START WITH STAR CAST. I as a whole man I think it was a real intimate setting with where they had it because it was a real small place at a rams head live but Overall man there was some really great panels I was most the ones that stuck out to me on the weekend wor I really enjoyed the the inside. The roads panel final. With cody Rhodes and brandy roads. And Dustin Rhodes Honestly my favorite panel of the weekend I would say would have to be the Ron and Simmons panel just just to hear some of the stories with that and All those kind of things and it was it was really cool to hear some of the stories from them going down the road He gave his thoughts on the Jordan. Mile Situation The pause right there give me a quick little summary of what he says he said that Jordan Mile. He said that Jordan. Miles Dell's overreacted. Pretty much he didn't say it exactly in those words but he said that he had overreacted. He said it's a known thing. That Racist Shit Happens Eagles. I'm not by any means insane. That Racist Shit doesn't happen but he said the way that Jordan miles went about it was wrong. Essentially if you listen to what Booker T.. said it was very similar along those lines. He said that with the way he reacted with. He didn't mention Jay Lethal by name or like that specific situation but essentially what I surmised out of what he said it sounded like he echoed the same. Sediments of Booker T.. And and there and there were a few dams in there so I agree with that. Yeah go ahead. I'm sorry say you guys want to address it because really haven't addressed of the show so Yeah we talked about at the the other day Kind of like what you said me and Kyle. We both think thing like as a black guy. I was offended but listen to this side and wwe side and the truth is GonNa be somewhere in the middle. And that's where you really kind of you know try diving on and and I couldn't believe the company wanted to do the shirts he wanted to do. They couldn't do the trademark thing because it was too close to the rolling stones logo. Go and I can't believe somebody was just not young and dumb but some I just didn't put together and just share it out there. I can't believe I I believe that he possibly didn't get you know word on it. Possibly they didn't just run a cast in they ran. There is no shirt. Could he do that then. They randy other shirt. You just do it out there so they could try to get. You know some t-shirt money and I think he had a right to be offended but the way he what about it was wrong. I mean calling out Jay lethal just because they were wrong. Doesn't mean you couldn't be wrong things choice and I think he did have a point in the beginning by things he he he went too far especially call it out other people and and solving other people that had nothing to do with it. I think that was that was just wrong. Then you know next if you want. I agree with you on that couch. What my thing our love everybody saw but I kinda went on a little rant about that and I basically at this point I'm pretty much done with wwe and it's not just because of this? It's been a bunch of compounding things and this was kind of like the last straw for me Jordan Mazda. Yeah he was completely wrong for you know go on. As far as he did call now jay lethal and Other companies and stuff like that. He took it too far. But my the problem with this whole thing was that first of all that searching and never made a first place searched been got as far as it did then thoroughly early. They didn't address the actual issue to me. The real issue is the fact that nobody in that company Jordan Miles. WWe Triple A.'s. Whoever made assert nobody in that conflict saw shirt said hey? Maybe we shouldn't do this event but debbie basically did was they really didn't You know apologized for or you know what they did they just say hey. It was during mouse part. Which makes me believe that they either? They didn't really really understanding what they did. Or they don't really give either. One is probably the fact that nobody in that company said. Hey this is. The problem is a problem problem for me and then on top of that whole Kobe situation. Saudi Arabia stuff. A lot of things over the years finally got to me. I'm like I can't I can't supporters company personally so I'm personally done with wwe. And I was just at that last straw so for me man like like and again Dev. We talked about this as soon as I saw it. 'cause you're the one that brought the black face shirt to my my attention. I didn't even need to see the black face for me to be able to look at it and be like what the fuck is that again. Obviously me being a guy who you know the majority of my friends are black. I noticed right away I was like you know. Oh Shit like wow. That's Kinda messed up but for me. It's like first of all. I agree with everything you said in that. I don't know why they didn't look that design and we're like okay okay. Maybe that's not a good idea. First of all second of all. I don't know how it got that far. So as far as the design goes I as far as the design goes man. It's just crazy to me that that's even a crazy to me that that's even a a thing that that that got there but see my issue with it is this at first. I was completely one hundred percent yield. This is messed up like it shouldn't happen happen that way. But once more and more of that information started to come out like them saying it coming out that he knew about shirt A. BE His comments to Jay Lethal and some of the other things that he said on twitter like. Don't get me wrong by no means. Am I defending offending. WWe By no means. Am I condoning. What happened with that shirt but I I just feel like as soon as he. I started going into that kind of stuff. It immediately negated everything that you were trying to represent at least in my opinion because when when you started taking shots at Jay Lethal and you know saying all the things that you were it now is no longer about that shirt and it just. I don't know man and the thing of it is what also in my opinion didn't help his cause is. Don't get me wrong again. Dan I'm by no means saying that. The shirt you know wasn't in poor taste because there's no way that you can stretch that in which it wasn't but what. I don't think that it necessarily was meant in the way that it came across. But with that being said when you start doing all that other stuff it doesn't help your cause and you know. Now you're off TV. How has anyone else supposed to look at that now? You've made yourself look like you're you're only doing it so that you can get back on TV or because you're pissed off because they took you off TV at least at this point. That's how it looks to me. I don't necessarily think that. WWe's intent was was to do it that way but again I totally can see right away. where the comparison was made? And I don't don't and again I don't think I think that the design was bullshit. But that's just let me jump in so okay like I said the Jordan Miles. His commerce is a problem too and like Jordan has fought in too because if he did approve that shirt and Dan. You can't necessarily about what happened to you. You can't bitch about it if you if your personal but that's why I'm saying me it's not. It's not a short mouse. It's all is that company period Jordan miles apart accompany Officers when you know made the shirt but they stewarded. What isn't showing me? Is that nobody in that room. understands coach sensitively. But I can't completely as as often that because when they went to Saudi Arabia. I haven't seen any of the Saudi Arabia shows. I if you remember on on at least the first I don't know if they're still doing it. there was an intermission in the middle of that show right and basically that time was taken out for The Saudis to have prayer time because in their culture they pray at certain times CBS so they took an intermission now to for them to have their prayer and they didn't allow women on the show. Those are those are cultural things Saudi Arabia. So you you show me that you can be culturally sensitive you. Can you know. Change Your Company. You know. You can make concessions for People's cultures but in this situation you can't you don't have anybody in the room that says hey I don't know if you've noticed but that's her. It looks like black six. There's not a good look. That's my problem that nobody absolutely nobody in that company has a problem and it guys sparked so yeah Jordan in mouth. He's fucked up forty damp but still part of that cup. He takes blaming this too. I mean nobody in the company saw no I I totally get what you're saying but I feel like the Saudi Arabia's situation's a little different because it's different when you're going to somebody else's country like you're going to somebody else's country yeah. They observed the prayer time but again they don't run shit over there like we do here so you knew that you know. You're you're going to have to adhere to some of their shit. which I feel like is a little different Saudi Arabia? I'm not spouting right and I'm not saying that offend them. Well no the sort of Saudi Arabia's cut you a check you're you're GonNa be okay with you know making sure you don't offend them but you don't have anybody on your staff like I say. Hey shirkers wrong or hey. Maybe we shouldn't do this angle because of this is gonNA offend somebody company. That's my and I think that's why I agree. But that's where like what all three of US said. I think that just proves that there needs to be more representation him but I honestly believe I don't know that they I feel like it's something that slipped through the cracks. It never should have by just from everything I see. That's kind of what I say what I surmise from it but I mean that's what I see off of it but since we're supposed to be talking about star cast any W let's let's get to the next Let's get to the next panel so that we don't end up on a whole hour ran about it but if you want to hear more of our thoughts we can definitely make a video about that if you guys want to hear more of our thoughts about say something in the comments or let us know on the page and we will definitely Put something together about that. If you saw our facebook or following our youtube We got a lot of good interviews. We got to interview. Pass the show. Colt Cabana We talked talked about NWEA power. We talked about Him going over to tag with Yano for New Japan we talked about his match with superstar. Bill Martel CWA which is where we met for the first time There was a lot of good stuff in that interview. There was also We talked about. We talked with with all three members of jungle drastic express. We talked to jungle boy. We talked about you. Know his father and the influence that he had We talked about you know them. Jungle boy straight up said that he wants a trios match with The young bucks and Kenny I think that that match would be fire you're Then you had Lucia Soroush. Who Luce Soroush man? He you know again shed a lot of light on. Things gave us a direct timetable table of when he's supposed to be coming back. He says that we're probably going to see him at the latest by January of Twenty Twenty Back in the ring and That they they didn't know until that night he pulled it like an he got hurt like an hour before the show he got hurt an hour before the show uh-huh and Marcos had no idea and then stepped in there which to me props to Marco stunt man. I mean for you to come in on an hour's notice and not be You know slated to be the one in that match and then you know come in and do like they did. I mean to me. I think that's a great performance. What were your guys thoughts on Marco? Stepping stepping in for Well I thought it was. Yeah I thought it was a damn get management and it gave up a lot of people are Kinda Shit Non Marcos dot because of his size man but he definitely went out there and showed a hey Do this to people in a good platform him opportunity for him. And and Doboy tune in order so they have. I couldn't agree more. Would you agree. I mean I was surprised. Goes out and that's one of the matches I was Kinda looking for 'cause he even before royal signed with eighty. W I've been a fan jungle boy mainly because of his dad. Luke Perry I just happen to hear about it like TMZ when they're talking about him and saying someone's independent wrestler and that's the goal star following them. So I've been following them since a owns eighty W so Mouth side for the match and then when I heard about that a little bomb but a great match. They'll they'll sell so so before we get to the next interview that we had on the weekend. Shut out to our sponsor match Stransky. I see you in the live feed. Check us out you heard. Are you heard our commercials for them at the beginning. Ginning if you need a house man hit him up. They got some beautiful houses out there. Man They've sold about two three of them and they. I'm sure they've got some more fire coming. Your Way Man Stransky and company realty check. Check them out the next interview that we got to do while we were out there. We got to interview past the show. Eric Bischoff and we got a good thirty minutes. scrum from interview. Most of these scrum interviews were somewhere in the range of like ten. Maybe fifteen minutes and Eric went for about thirty minutes and He talked about his time with Fox. He said you know like people were making it like he was brought in to run Fox he goes well. Nobody told me about that because he goes was. That wasn't the impression I was given. You know by me coming in to work with smackdown and He said that any addressed any rumors that everybody was talking about You know is there a beef between he and wwe and all those kinds of things and he he clearly said he goes no. I had a good thirty minute a long conversation with Vince. Just a week ago were on good terms. It just wasn't a good fit and he said he's getting ready to go look into a movie role that he's got going on so there's a lot of good good content that interview as well. I guess we should address the thing that sent us viral There was the scrum interview with Darby Allen in which I asked him you know what his thoughts were on his time and evolve and how it prepared him for a w considering we work with evolve of a lot here at home and you know I wanted to get his thoughts on how it prepared him to which he said evolved can go fuck themselves so What are both of your guys thoughts on that and Did you see any of the fallout from it. Well for me I thought it was funny and this might be too too inside baseball but I thought it was funny that you were worried that you always going to be mad at US man. I'm like do you ask a question. Man Hey man you know how I get Bro I over think everything so fucking. What are you saying? We're not gonNA work with me. That's that's the whole point of DNA journalist brother. Yeah hard hitting questions you can't that'd be appropriate. They say you're right. I mean I asked the question in clearly it did. Its job so that question today. Hey Hey so what about your time. And he's like Oh okay so what was so crazy about it right so when I asked the question like he paused and like stairs deadline he goes you work for evolve. I said No. I said we interview people for them when they come to town. You know we've interviewed a lot of their guys. And and that's where we I saw you and he goes. Yeah we'll tell them to go fuck themselves and I'm just like okay. Then that sums it up kyle. Would you thing thing I let my ass off when I saw as you can tell he was he he can tell trying to make you break when he looked at you. I'm like like Oh that was me. I would sit out laughing because the way you can tell. He's trying to get a reaction so I know that's why I tried tried to tyler. You calling us on a potato today. Sound horrible having your thank you though so the phone potato man. Let's now is that now. You need need a patent that shit and then Let's see the other interviews we did. We got to talk with hangman. Page I talked to him and asked him. My questions pins were more specific towards you know they were talked. We talked a lot about the inner circle battle with the elite and cody sang that the elite is going to go fight with You know the inner circle and I asked Hangman what his thoughts were on that to which he basically responded saying that they were all kind of doing their own own thing and that cody is more focused on Jericho right now and all that stuff but for me I think first of aw I liked the fact that aws bringing back factions. Because as a kid I loved seeing the X. W. O.. And you know I've always been a fan China the four horsemen and things like that so to me if they're going to have battling factions. I think that's dope and obviously what better place to go than having the elite verses this is you know the inner circle what we what are your thoughts on a potential battle with them. As far as you know those two factions kind of warring and What are your you know? What are your thoughts? I actually think that this is gonNA lead up to kind of like a war urging type thing. I love where I've heard that cody said that he wanted to actually offer them. W get the war game so trademark mark back they said no so I think you know. Because he's he's shown a lot of your two four eight W so far with the storytelling with the matches but some of the presentations. So I think it's GONNA lead to one of those big faction versus faction matches to where that'll be the whole main event of pay per view. You know that could be all out twenty twenty. That could be big. You know you know the big match their take our APP. Everybody's just go crazy. I totally could see that and As far as the war games thing and not being able to get the patent back I mean. MSW JUST DID A war. The Games Well they didn't call it war games but it was essentially a war games match but they did it all in one cage If I had to guess my honest bet is maybe they might not do the two cage thing or they might construct something. That's a little bit different I don't know what what he's a funny funny thing. WWE doesn't own the rights to the name. Workdays Court Bauer MSW owned rice too. But if that's the case then unwinded court Bauer in them. Not really a word Games court was just the one It was I think. Jericho's pack a couple of weeks ago. Talk Walker about this and basically he kind of let them he let them use it you know. He owns the trademark to war. He all the trade war games and some enough. Forget what it is but Yeah like let the trademark laps and he's snatched up sometime also. He owns the rice in Oregon. Well then if that's the case then I think that we probably will see a war games because you know how tight a court bauer was with dusty dusty wrestled for MSW Multiple Times. So I mean and I could very much so see Do kind of have a little bit of a working relationship because image AF still with Right MLD Socgen. Those Jimmy Jimmy to yeah you know. I mean they've got a they've got a connection there and I'm glad to see that because to me then that means that. There's a good chance that we could see war games as the way it should be With that said we've talked about STAR CAST The last thing I want to point out from star our cast Like I said another one of the panels that stuck out to me. I thought Moxley's panel was really good He went into depth with Jr and I think Jr was the perfect person to kind of pull some of that stuff out of him. I thought overall you got a Lotta good content in there and again you know. It's clear if anything from what I've seen from Moxley whether it be either his promos or you know what I heard in the panel. It really seems seems like since he's come to a w you know it's a really freeing. He feels really free to because he didn't hold anything back so to me. That was one of the really stuck out to me. There was plenty of Click Bait in the Codey panel because I forgot how it was brought up. But you know coach. He's been doing the whole macomb. Say Earth thing while the next thing you know they they start talking about brandy goes yeah She's he's real professional but she's you know she's all business but a freaking the sheets or something like that and they had to clarify his he was like and she's like he's talking about sex sex just for any of you. That's GONNA use that. Bait like really reiterated it and it was just hysterically funny to me. Because I'm like anybody that didn't pick that up. I mean. Are we ten eighteen years old but it was That one was pretty funny but a lot of good questions out of that one and Like like I said it made you a little bit more interested to see what was going to happen as we headed into full gear in the match with Cody Jericho with that being said how do you what do you guys WanNa do. You WanNa get into a full gear will In the full gear mattis. That's what I WANNA talk about all right. Where do you WANNA start here? I mean I bring up something that happened last week I really WanNa talk about. It was leading into full gear. Has Down Cody. Rose cut where the best the Promo for a long time and we got to break this down a little bit mad. Fuck yes you cam you wanna you WANNA jump in I yeah Actually was watching that life. 'CAUSE I I watch A. WD might live. I and then I watched an expe- after because to me I don't know what I'm saying. I agree I mean it's survivor series. So I pretty much know everybody's GonNa jump on everybody show like even though they finally next to it. That was really no surprise to me. Hey W going into their first pay per view up there you know. We have the weekly show. I wanted to see how they really you know. Build up to it and I was doing so I think it was on the computer. Something and Tony came on these cutlass trombone. Halfway through it and I stopped without John and I just watched it really did make me think of dusty and I I mean I I love history rusting and as far as I'm concerned the grain China's Promo of all time is hard time from from dusty. That one just had so much I mean it has so much passion like when I tried to explain wrestling like not a wrestling fan and you saw older stuff stuff that got me hooked and I wanNA showed them a promo I the shows in the pipe bomb and seeing punk doc or I showed him the hard times and it was just. It was something that I hadn't seen in a while because you can tell even though he was cutting Promo almo. He wanted just so much talking to Jericho he was talking to triple. H admits the man and you could see the passion that he was speaking speaking with them. That's not something you see in other companies for the most part so I think that's what really took the match. You know another level to you because you had had that type of promos put there and the way. They broke that final shelves perfect. Because not just you know cody's Promo you had jared close promo video. which was one of the funniest things I've seen wrestling in years? Like honestly like that through the is one of the put that type of folks video together and that's basically his reply almost coach. Yeah cody come passionate. And then he just comes with a video With with him sitting in a bathtub jury that to me is aws. Show you for me. Man I know I said I'm not talking about. WW eating more is one promo at sticks out in my head over the the past. Five years I thought was the most cringe-worthy terrible Promo I've ever seen and I don't know if you remember the Roman reigns suckering succotash Promo about three or four years ago. That was pretty bad. Whenever I think about how bad you know promos have gotten over the years I always think about that and for me is everything that has been wrong with that copy over the past few years you know it's scripted like heavily and people can't beat themselves that was that that was cody roast like that was that was cody? Ronald's talking out. That was him that was coming from the heart. You heard his voice crack when he started talking about his family that whatever and you feel the emotion coming out the guy man and he probably had bullet points that he he had hit but then he's getting real and if Israel for you is going to be real for me too as a guy watching on TV to me. That's the that's that's the the best part of wrestling man is people ban themselves with raw real emotion. We can say here we can think about that match any match and you might be able to remember remember you move from it but no one is going to remember a match booth move but you gotta remember how a match or Promo May to fill and now I I definitely had to fill listen to that promo a man then like you said car with Jericho follow up basically mocking the video. That a randy and in Code Dan a couple of weeks before that it was perfect. Setup man so I was I was definitely looking forward to this match. Man It it anymore. I do when I got to see that Promo like the stuff. He talked about like the way that he got that mad at Jericho. Like whether that was fully you know home on the shooter not banned like like you said you could see the passion in his face and when he started talking about you know how it took him fourteen years yes to get to where he's at and how he went from undeniable undesirable. Like I said man. That's one of the best promos I I've seen in a long time like that shit was straight fire like I literally Probably Watch that Promo a few times over and I still would. I'd love to see it every time I saw it like the good promos are the ones that you remember the same ways we remember you know stone cold in Austin three sixteen you remember dusty in hard times you know any one of those promos you WanNa pick men like that one is one. That's always going to be remembered. So what was crazy is I listened to bust it. Open A lot and Jim Cornet you know they were talking about Jim. cornets comments on the Promo and Jim Cornet said that in his opinion and it was like the modern version of the hard times. Promo to which bully Ray said that. He didn't think that it was the the modern hard times James. And here's why and I didn't think about it this way. But after he said this it really made me think he said that it's not the modern version of hard times because hard times James was to you know connect with To connect with the people where you could tell old cody was talking more so towards Jericho but even in that case I mean like you said Devon even I tweeted it right off of our page as soon as I watched it. I mean that Promo alone made that like the a number one if not top two matches on that card that I was most excited to see. It's like dusty. Always used to say you know you gotTa talk them into the seats. That Promo alone was enough to make me want to watch that card. Had I not been there I would have bought the pay per views just for that because it made you wanna see damn him like he's really you know he's really into this. What the Hell's going to happen With that said should that be the first match that we talk about the road to if you really want really hitting the fields. I watched them back to back. I watch these hard times and then I'll watch toadies and when you watch him back to back that that was you know that this is something that he mentions his children. In hard times it does got a hitch infield but yeah If if you want to the style so for me for me man when that match happen like you know there was so much it's like damn what the Hell's going to happen right and so for me when cody came out with them Jeff. I'm like all right. You know this is what it's going to be because Jericho came out with Jake Hager For starters when he took that dive about what was it like a minute and a half into that match coach and split the shit out of his. I in like the first minute like I mean that was a deep cut and I couldn't even tell how deep it was until I I saw the pictures afterwards. But Damn you know it just was a gusher and then the back and forth in that match man again again it storytelling at its finest men like that match took you on such a roller coaster and for me. My favorite part of the match was more so the little things like The fact that they had cody's mom in the front row and the fact that cody went out to the ring and then made sure to go out and go hug his mind even during the match and then to have Jericho go out there and then waved to her. And then you know talk shit to her from the ring It's the little things. It was the the details that made that Such a great match and then the back and forth of it and then like again more details like when Jericho got the He got the walls of Jericho but it was like the old school. Like Lion Tamer type walls of Jericho Like that that that to me was what made that match awesome to me. It was the little details on what we're both of your guys thoughts on that for me. Like he's like you said it was like a lot of the little things My big takeaways from that match were toady all right so so it was company was founded by Cody Kenny Omega and the Young Bucks and they all have done great and here they all past the characters I think the two of shine the brightest are tenny. And Cody Kenny. You know showing a different side of enemy he. He was known for me more of a technical Matt Rent Type Guy. When new Japan you know doing his matches Moxley you see in a hardcore out of you really never saw pan which I think is great for this character but to me cody? Shine most out of them because he's literally giving his blood four four hundred this company like he is not afraid to lay out every single time. He's in that rank and like I said I've said before for years on this show. He's always been one of my favorite restaurants because to me he really has hit. You know I mean going off the when he was in Legacy Lucy I always wanted him to be the biggest one. Come out of that because even back then I could tell or in this time taking nights off you know. He wasn't giving a hundred percent. I just didn't see a hundred hundred percent of their lives in cody I saw and now I'm seeing that now. The He loves doing wrestling's he loves doing it and I was. I was waiting for as much as I wrote. MOXHAM must've are will make it. That was that's always waiting for and the story telling the he puts into every match he's is it storytelling. He had his match with his brother. You know the storytelling he had in this match. You won't see that in. WWe Or empathic. After I mean I could never imagine seeing that type of emotion and a match and then you have his quote unquote best friend Louis. Throwing the towel. How for him in a match someplace else? And that's to me as was taking a w up another notch for me is giving me something I haven't seen and in favor of the night. What about you? Well one thing that I thought there was I think he he kind of answered some of his critics and I've been one of them to Says leaving. WWE On his independent run working to Japan A and a lot of people kinda criticize him wrestling. WWe Style and not necessarily been able to You know switchover to warming any style and I think part of the reason why I saying this is because he's going to Jericho Jericho former. WWe Guy. So I think their styles were very wellness. Met So so as far as I in the Ring I. It's me if low very very well because as pope notre same style but where to me it it took another step is storytelling storytelling like you said. A cow You add these two guys having a good style class together then put the story on top of it. I fought mid one of cody's best I've seen especially since and left them and then the twist at the end with Mj. Turn on cody well. I think we all knew that was gonNA come eventually. I didn't think they were going to do it now. But I'm I'm looking forward to where they go from here because because we didn't been watching. WWE Long Time you kind of get conditioned they all were coming up in three or four weeks so they're probably going to have to blow off you. I'm not GonNa you know probably paint it off in a month but we don't. We're not sure when that next year's going to be try to be a first quarter by it'd be the the first quarter of the year so that's a while to go from from now until then so you're gonna see this play out every week on a dynamite. So now I'm more excited to see data might now. I WANNA see how this thing plays out. I think they're quarterly. Pay Per view works out for a wwe because you're not trying to jam packed a Lotta stuff into three or four week. Bill you have time to let your story last. Play out each each Wednesday night so devon looking forward where to go from there I agree with it completely because I think even know I said it when we were talking about it after we got off of all out you know I mean I was sure or that I was waiting for JFK. Turn that night but when it happened the way it did like I was saying and I was like he watched. Some bitch is getting ready to turn. I was telling the people that were sitting in front of us but the fact that I said that but then when they did it the way they did it. I still like you motherfucker. That shows shows that it was done. Well because I I was waiting for it and I still was like what the Fuck Catholic. Aw Drake born yeah. I heard that was a plant but Randy's telling me we got ten about ten minutes left so let's talk about Max versus mocks verses Kenny Omega I mean we're not going to be able to get into it in his full depth as we'd like to do you think it was too far. Do you think it was a good match. What do you think let me go? I got I wrap it up real quick. Do this was. This was probably the most brutal match I've ever seen on American television. I gotta I gotTa go back like F-. Twa's remember seeing something at this. Crucial Watching T.. Watching Kenny Omega crushed glass drag this man through glass put them in a sharp shooter. An Dan Watch moxley have to crawl through glass to grab a rope. I requested his match I literally like had turned away but I enjoyed it. I know some people. People don't don't enjoy it but I enjoyed it kyle. It was. Yeah I I mean I'm not a big call death match up a guy like I walk like I. That's actually how I found Moxley. I saw him years ago in a death match. I saw Kevin Steen one. Kevin Owens in one years ago. I don't seek CPOS matches out. I do like the fact that they did. And that's because it's counter program you you know if you're doing the same thing that impact ring of honor w w here than it does feel funny. Wait and you would not see in today's climate a death match on if they preview main eventing the papers and that's why I liked it because it was something I normally would not see. And that's what I'm asking for as a viewer as somebody that is GonNa be giving them my money reviews. Come here and I'll shirts suit. I want to get something I'm not GonNa get from the other guy and to me. That's what they gave I I I'm not doing critique it too much let's because it's not my type of bass you know it's like giving a real an orphan. I'm not being a whore so automatically just many but I I like the fact that they did it because it was something can you wouldn't normally see and they're giving you something if you liked that type of lesson. Well you know you actually might be able to get that and that's going to bring some people so I'm GonNa. I'm I'M GONNA chop this up as quick as I can That was the most wild thing I've ever seen in person ever in my life. I've Seen Helena sell. I've seen some crazy crazy. Shit on indies. I've seen hardcore matches. I've seen all that stuff. But dude like you said Devon like there were points in net match that literally made you just be like what the fuck is going on right now like when they did the mouse trap thing even when they just pulled the damn thing out. I'm like what the fuck and you can look at it and see that. The traps are all open K.. That's number one. Then then you you had the glass man we all everybody in my section was just like what the fuck. What the fuck as he's dragged through and you and it was like like it was making you cringe but you couldn't turn away? You know it was just I don't even I don't even know how else to put it. It was it was wild And then when you throw that in with the way they finished it by ripping up the Matt by hitting the DT Adt on the wood and all those things. I mean dude like the there were a lot of people that walked out on that match but those that were in the arena. Yeah like we none of us could turn away. It was just it by far was the craziest thing I've ever seen. What was crazy is when they when they fought when they fought back through the crowd they literally fought right in front of us and they were like beating the shit out of each other and the crowd too so like I mean that was a match that just the whole time dude? You're just you're on the edge of your seat it I i. I literally don't have words for it but all I can say is that it was by far the craziest thing I've ever seen in my life. If you get a chance to go back and watch it I damn near your contemplated buying the pay per view just so I could watch it back. That's honest truth anyways Before we get out of here man like like we said be. CWA Is this Saturday We've got multiple past guests of the show that are going to be in the rumble match. You've got the frog gun you've got drug King Logan you've got a justin main when you've got all kinds of stuff that's going on Movado I believe will be in it as well And as we found out you know you got the pump and uglies or tagging up as well so I mean there's plenty of reason that you need to be obese. CWA this Saturday Copeland Center. Wyandotte Michigan We gotta see what's going to happen out of this studio eighty he six as we learned at the last show H Three R D. You know challenged Blackwell in studio eighty six that if they're going to give them another title shot that if they lost that studio eighty six needed to disband There's Bro there's so so much stuff going on and be. CWA If you haven't been there and you haven't felt that energy that's in the room Like I said man. It's it's going to be a hell of a show. Well I wish I was there man Kinda sad right now. You're gonNA cry again the baby on insect. But I'M GONNA be checking out a ladies night out down a Houston man reality. Elliot wrestling at Booker. T. Show so I think I'll be okay. I think The guest Lindsey snow. Hell yes. Shout out Lindsey snow. No Kyle legacy are you. What are you looking forward to with? CWA The rumble match. Or you know. Let anybody know your thoughts on BBC w I if you were area if you listen to this before so someone down. It's a great atmosphere. It's standing room only And that's not just a saying former and that's not just to sing like literally dude. It's standing room only every time the places but it's packed and there's really no I mean you're getting your meeting real authentic wrestling. It's it's a great great show. You can bring the family like I. It's it's a really great environment. You will not not be entertained I am looking forward to the isle of is going to get a climax of. Everything's do things going on with Studio Eighty six but after what happened last show that I cannot wait to see what is going to be the next part of this. All this like we said Ma'am be CWA check them out BE CWA on facebook at Gobi CWA on twitter instagram Make sure you're checking them out. you never know who you're going to see who's GonNA show up Like I said. Make sure you're in the building Before we get out of here man everybody through your social media outlets let everybody know where they can find you You can find me on twitter and instagram. I'm asking chaos K. A. S.. I find me on facebook Kyle. J Cable News page You can also find me on the the PODCAST. Is this group on facebook and you can listen to my the show Kinda pissed this on spotify Apple Google podcast cast get your anchor Everybody will still podcast. We're going to be having a big show coming up this week and going to have a big show of the year for crisis on so make sure you before we get out of your depth. Kyle stay on the line when we get out of here deb throughout your social. Media's me on twitter at devasted exited D E V. 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"If you don't know Sirius Xm than listen up commercial free music plus sports comedy talk and news they have it all and right now you can get your first three months of Sirius. Xm outside the car for just US one dollar go to Siriusxm DOT. com slash busted to see offer details and to subscribe offer available to new series. Xm streaming subscribers SIRIUSXM. No car required. This is the busted open podcast. You can listen to the full show weekdays from nine. Am to two PM Eastern on Sirius Xm The Nation Channel One fifty six welcome to the busted open podcast. This is Dave Greco. Today's episode Tommy Dreamer. I talk everything Wednesday night. Wore eighty w going up against this episode is hours before the most historic day in professional wrestling listen to to people who love rustling more than life at South also Tommy we get into the influence the dusty roads and how it wasn't for Dusty Rhodes. We might not even have this war going on right now. This week has had everything everything from the learning tree of the American dream dusty Rhodes. If you will find out why today of all days is the perfect dream and you know what we get into what's going to take place on Friday as well smackdown on Fox and it may be the biggest night in the history of pro wrestling. What would you do for a billion dollars. If you own the wwe you'd bring out the most electrifying performer and also else sports entertainment if yes smell how what busted open is cook all that right now. Ask on the bus. It'll podcast. How about this. Jimmy Cordera just tweeted Addis. Hey Dave and Tom just. FYI Eighty W secured their Canadian TV TV deal yesterday and will air live up there as well a so again a lot of controversy about if they fans. We're going to be able to tune in in two eight. E W that is not a question anymore. Wednesday night wars eighty W and Annex T. We're going to do a good job of really breaking down match-by-match to see you know which card you think is going to be the best to me. I hate to say this but I think it's a no brainer as a fan. I gotTA tune into Eighty W. an x t is known commodity. I don't know what eighty W is going to be on a week to week basis. I'm very curious of the look and feel of that show tonight Alex Medicine. I are taking the train out to DC as soon as we end this show today and we're going to be a part of that so I'm really looking forward to it so I'm wondering during what that's going to be like I'm very interested to see what the fans think about that as well because I know from judging from social media and some of the phone calls we've taken Tommy. There's is going to be fans that are going to be all about eighty w watch annex t later and vice versa so this is truly a war so yes you know it's funny for a longest it is time. WWe Had PYRO Awa announces. You know what we miss. We Miss Pyro and they have pyro pyro is very very expensive expensive and now all of a sudden raw what is wrong. I have now pyro. Fox confirmed that they'll have pyro bus. Open now has pyro so it's a a lot of little stuff like that. It's like hey we're trying to one up each other and just push the envelope as far as we can because it's all about indefinitely they call it confusion in the marketplace. They WANNA be than they are. They're the leader and they don't want people a to think of well. They want wrestling just to be wwe but now it's looking around and they're like well. That's confusion the marketplace. No it's it's not. WWe every it's something else eighty w has gone and done an amazing job of advertising their shows not just on social media where all this started handed but TNT were they have there's billboards. There's there's been so they've been on every show. That's affiliated did with any. TNT What Time Warner Company whatever they had their mission they have gone all out I have I've listened to so much different coverage and then what do I hear on Fox. I'm watching football games you here who's promoting what for the WWe Louis so I mean this is like full blown advertising warm. You just think of all the revenue that's going into this. Before this day even starts. I mean I it's it's there's so much on the line for every company and that's why this week is so big on so many levels Tommy. Let's let's look at it. Seriously like the first Wrestlemania some some would say that's the biggest event ever but you know what how many people are really talking about that outside of our fandom outside of like MTV did a lot of that. Ah but you know it wasn't being promoted like what we're seeing right now and then you talk about as Wrestlemanias went on Saturday night's main event being on NBC but again that was eleven thirty at night. We're going to see pro wrestling on Fox a major network at eight. PM MM-HMM THAT's crazy. I mean that's Vince McMahon's dream. Come true what we're seeing right now here in New York City the outside of Fox have ring setup Charlotte's doing meet and greet says a line you know down the street for people who WanNa meet a wwe superstar like you said NFL the NFL on Fox the commentators are talking about the wwe and then in any factor in eighty w seeing that commercial everywhere you know it was a B. movies. They had it during the previews of movies leading up to what we're GONNA see tonight as pro wrestling. Thank fans as somebody like you. Tommy not forget about being a wrestler just being a lifelong fan. Have you seen anything. That's come close to this. No and I a joke but I do have three tvos. I'm very very loyal and I also have the lifetime Tibo subscriptions. That's why I have my TVOS. They hate me because because they want me to upgrade all that stuff but I won't. I'm just GONNA keep getting my lifetime. I said I'm have I- downstairs. That's my place. I season in past eight he w upstairs which then I bring it downstairs will be an xt and that was kind of. I don't WanNa say in my priority is just like you said it's we're rooting for something different because think of this amazing time think about literally every single angle day except for Thursdays you can watch professional wrestling that's amazing and on Prime Time Television and we've always said I'd like and I've lived it with E. C. W. Wrestling was always the bastard child EC W we were on two o'clock in the morning we were the highest rated show Joe on the MSG network. This was in ninety five ninety six when they had something called the Rangers Knicks and Yankees on the network and we're the highest hi EST doing the ratings and we were paying to be on the air and when we asked for money like no you're a wrestling and you're paid programming and you know you know what I kick in a balls that was to us it sucked and wrestling has always been the red headed stepchild but no think of WHO's the WHO's the number one Hollywood actor sturrock absolutely all this trickle down effect of professional wrestling and you know you and I were talking about Henry winklers walking around around his leather jacket thinking. Can you still cool because he is and I told you I sat with Henry Winkler on a flight and we talked about Terry funk because they did movies together but it's their. Everybody has arresting story everybody. I've met searcy one person in my life. That didn't know a professional resin was and she was my dermatologist. She he never knew a professional wrestling was besides that everyone has arresting story and like think of this show the ramifications of the wrestling business expanding and we are the leader in sports entertain radio. We've expanded. We have PYRO. It's six days a week now. Every wrestler will say when the business is doing good. Everybody does good think of all the shows that happened during Wrestlemainia and now give people options and you know what there's there's impact. There's new Japan. There's ring of honor. There's Hausa hardcore independence. There's all these different options for for wrestling fans and I think the bigger thing you too is that wrestling's always been kind of labeled as a guilty pleasure like you like pro wrestling but you wouldn't admit that you like pro wrestling those days are done because has all those fans that used to watch you in E C W Arena Tommy are now executives companies you know look at Tony Kahn Tony Kahn was watching you in the EC W. Arena and now he has the funding in the money to back an e w on TNT like that's huge and those days are out the window. Oh because now this is completely mainstream. You know I was talking to bully yesterday about you know I bitch and Moan about Vince McMahon. There's things I love about Vince McMahon. There's things I don't like about Vince McMahon. There's directions that he went into that. I don't approve of as a fan but you know it's it was successful. I don't like the fact that he doesn't reference pro wrestling sports entertainment that always bothered me but the reason he did that is because he wanted to see it go mainstream and it worked now. You can see it on Fridays on prime time. That's a big reason for that is because Vince McMahon wanted to kind of quote unquote clean it up a little bit. He didn't want it to make people think of you know so the six year old man sitting at ringside smoking a cigar he wanted the family element and then on top of that because of that and because of that direction action there's a lot of pro wrestling fans that were unhappy about that direction a lot of fans that didn't like the PG product of the wwe the they didn't like the fact that it became more like a circus instead of sport and what did that breed eighty w so now you have something for everybody and then on top of that the impact wrestling the MSW the ring of honor the new Japan man. I we as as people who do this show show Tommy. We hear from a lot of fans kinda jaded and are negative. This is the one week where you can't be negative like this is the one week where I'm GonNa say the fans you. You know what I don't want to hear about how you didn't like Monday night raw or you're expecting the worst for Friday like to me. This is a celebration. This is a weak that we as fans you can look at each other and say you know like you said we're not the bastard stepchild anymore. We're actually the mainstream were actually on the the fringe of what's hot and what's buzz worthy. That's what pro wrestling is right now. The last time I felt this was e c w going on in pay per view of barely legal where the industry was Kinda rooting for each other though they admitted that the hate each other but I remember they like we're trying to put each other business but I remember like the. WW guys come into the pay per view the Harlem He Kevin Saul and they all had you know there was people from wwe being like you know. We want you guys to do something because again how the business makes it. It's just this this amazing cycle that and this energy there's energy in the air amongst wrestling fans. I wrestle all the time I get noticed all the time and people like are you part of that new league and I'm like yeah you probably W I say yeah you play for the raiders. Yeah I just lie but everyone is talking about it which is good because when you're talking about it and you're talking about and positive way and I've always used this reference the the Yankees Red Sox. They all say great a sports rivalry. We don't WanNa see them play every single game at literally there. There's only been one team in town now. We're getting four to five and and it's what is the difference man. It's different management style different players different fan base but if you still love wrestling you have to watch all these because just like hey hey we're getting to the playoffs. I may not like the Yankees but I still like baseball the only I'm GonNa Watch it. I WANNA watch Yankees the twins because it's baseball. It's not my favorite teams but what what you said that because you're baseball fan your purest so you're gonNA. Watch this week and you said is so vital and so important. Does she have to be perfect tonight. Those eighty w have to be perfect tonight. The smackdown on a Fox on Friday have to be perfect does it that need to be a grand slam if it's less than that. Is it a failure like what's your thoughts on that because we're going to be watching because we're fans. We watch everything but you're you're kind of. Probably hoping that people who aren't usual fans that watch are going to tune in so does it do. They need to be perfect. Shows from experience. Barely legal bill was not my favorite show it was probably one of my least favorite. EC W shows ever and people talk about it with such high prestige and like this it was the perfect show it really wasn't I remember when we went on the air pauly's yelling at the the guy to go and he had the earpiece on the only time we did a show with an earpiece in and he put it in his ear and a ring announcer Bob. RT's was deaf in that ear and he just put a he's deaf and he puts the earpiece and he was just standing there. We come on the air and is just dead air. There's going to be hiccups for eighty. W W I don't want there to be but you can't be in this day and age like jumping all over them everybody from Amen. You got there. Take a deep breath. Suck it all in enjoy it for annex t you have two weeks already like I said the women of Annex t made me fall in love with an x t that opening four way and I was just like man this show was hot and everyone just don't care about what the other people care about what you're doing you know and I liked that attitude too like for a fan to root for it. Don't don't harp on the negative. You know don't go right the social media if there's a little bit of a hiccup. I think everybody has a fan should be rooting for all the shows not just eighty W or annexed but we're going to see on Friday like what you're hearing. God's busted open live weekdays from nine. Am To twelve PM Eastern on Sirius Xm Fight Nation Channel One fifty six or on demand with Sirius Xm APP. I think more like this to Tommy. You know like when the baseball season starts like a lot of hardcore fans kinda break out the baseball cards. Let's look at look at their baseball cards for the first time in a long time you know. NFL FANS and the season starts. Maybe they break out there football cards or go Watson Mold Mold Games and you'll put the Jersey on you know and and start tailgating. It's it's a celebration like with me. You know I break out the magazine break out the old bags start looking at the old magazines and this is like our time getting on a train driving down well. I mean I'm not I'm not driving the train. I'm Jim taking. I'm taking the jet down to your while yeah you got. You got the jet I got the. Oh the that's Tony's chat night to Sirius Xm channel you. You're a man of many hats. Tommy Manatee hats but you know what I'm saying. Though it's like bi a fan go go reminisce about how you fell in love with pro wrestling well. You know I always ask those silly questions like you know what was the first match she watched. What was the first wrestler you saw you know. How did you first find out about pro wrestling and speaking of silly questions you do have your own segment? Now I guess again. Nobody told me about this so it's a wacky Wednesday. So what's Your Trivia question for today Tommy as much trivia question. It's so much everything that's going on right now. Every all this change everything that is happening. Who's responsible for art with everything? That's happening eighty. W. Yep an xt the surge in the professional wrestling industry billy Corrigan's NWEA impact wrestling moving to access who's responsible for all of it. Can I throw out a name. I would like maybe to go to the nation before I talked to you about this because you probably will you might get it but especially like eighty. W like this where on the what is it the precedent no. I don't know what we're on the HUS- well the great at eight o'clock. It's it's all it's like a countdown. It's like New Year's Eve and they're serious is a sole person. Who's responsible for all. Can I be in that. I need my glasses to see. Can I be the first person to guess if that's what she would like to to do and deny the nation of my first ever segment of wacky Wednesday year freak out freak out. I'M GONNA blow your mind on wacky Wednesday. If you like to do that you could be the first guest dusty Rhodes one thousand percent. You are the winner of your son of your glasses. Thank you very much. You can see how you can get all that trade at C. headset just flew off my giant. Ed that while I was talking so excited my headset. I just gained weight in my head. I just broke my ed set. The American Dream Dusty Rhodes v most influential man in my life think about that annexed t was his baby baby. People who were on raw people who are on smackdown annex t up he was the creator of all that creativity creativity behind the scenes his son Cody Rhodes half the people that worked or are working for eighty w are working for us to work for dusty Rhodes the NWEA. They're making a little research. Tommy German being live on bustle begin the largest contract ever handed in Sirius. XM history he is here because dusty. Rhodes and I like him. You want your glasses. I'm very I'm very glad that I get to keep my glasses. Thank you very much talk and the reason I wanted to throw that out there and it's listen we're we're we're having fun here with the nation but dusty. Rhodes is really the piece nice to this puzzle that centers everything that's going on right now because would cody have left the wwe. If dusty didn't pass like could he have bet on himself. What do you have taken that chance. You know I as a fan didn't understand why they kept gimmick going that. Cody was involved with after dusty st passed. I said this was the perfect opportunity. This guy has so much talent. This is the time to elevate him to a main event or to make him a world champion. They decided did not to imagine if they did imagine if they decided you know what this is his time and why I say also like Raw Paul who's the the creative guy for Monday night raw now that guy who's in charge he sat under the tree of Dusty Eric Bischoff who's was running smackdown under the auspices of Vincent Man but he sat under the tree of Dusty Rhodes and an xt not he was the daddy and if you talk about Tony Kahn Tony Kahn used to be a big e c w fan influenced by Paul Heyman Tommy Dreamer and look where we are now today dream. I love you. I know he'd be watching. W He'd have netflix well Netflix next T- Yes but he'd have afflicts onto is is dusty. Rhodes the most influential man in history of pro wrestling. I would say so because look I jokingly. We always say look Mike. Tentacles reached very very far because you know like I helped. LAX OUT A lot I hell I don't want to help the young bucks. They were my main eventers on all my early house hardcore shows. I hired Kenya Omega. That's just in one match. I watched that the opening show in an xt with the girls. I was always in a M's corner. I really always liked candice. Larae used her on my shows shows and it's like I always say my tentacles. Go Far industies tentacles go. They wrap around everybody. I mean and we honestly like you can see all these people like Becky Lynch. That has a story about him. Charlotte flare all these people went through Seth Breath Ron's. They all went through annex t before they went to the main roster and now there's people who are in the annex t that are stars there that he he helped so. I mean even though he's gone two years his his presence in this wrestling business is never to me. He's the wrestling God God because he I mean cody you could all relate back to one person you really can and you not so much vince because he was a bit of the rebel but yet vince gave him the platform to help with an x t and even who I considered a greatest data's pro wrestler of all time Rick Flair Ric flair wanted that he that was his idol was dusty Rhodes he wanted he wanted to be a roads and dusty he was the one is like find your own. You know find your own character. Find Your own personality you and he wanted to be a roads think about that like and then you look at even more now with what we see with annexed. Ta e w like you just said like the daddy of all that town on an see. I believe the last thing dusty ever tweeted about on his twitter account was about Becky Lynch and then now with cody Rhodes in e W I it's it's it's it's unbelievable at the influence that man had on what forget about the history but we're seeing right now and pro wrestling 'cause you're right if it wasn't for dusty. Rhodes there wouldn't be an annex T and there wouldn't be an AWA think about that. Yep Saul you could seriously seriously tied all in and what do I always say. It's the history yeah and for the fact that aws acknowledged that history and it's it's so cool it really is. I'm getting emotional. Let's call Dr Caller. Let's go out to Jesse and Georgia Jessie what's going on. Hey Good morning guys. How are you doing. That's up Jesse. Hey so I know every everybody's talking about eight w and exceeds all that stuff so they kind of wanted to talk about NWEA that's okay yea. Just if you were at the tapings no spoilers please no no I won't we'll give any spoilers but I was at the taping last night in Atlanta and I have to say for the WWE network for four being able to show all NWEA taping things advantage to be able to actually experience the the actual way hey that they used to do you know TV tapings when they were home weeks and weeks of television one sitting here. We'll see the whole production of it was just unbelievable the atmosphere for me when I when I first started watching wrestling with nineteen ninety one I was four years old and honestly the first memory I have is watching wrestlemainia seven with Hulk Hogan and Sargent slaughter and you know through the years I've seen following when you see W W W we and then actually last night being able to revert back to me being that four or five year go kid watching and W W W studio tapings was just was just phenomenal so I mean it has never been a better time to be a reference is yeah and Jim and Jesse great tone and great call I was on with Jonathan Hood of Espn last night Tommy the and the one thing we talked a lot about on his show was the Nwea the look and feel I mean seeing those pictures of what the the Ring Apron you know the the studio itself the flags as if it was you know Georgia championship wrestling where the podium was it just it gave me goosebumps because it brought me back being eleven year old kid on Saturday morning morning watching Georgia championship wrestling rustling will always I feel like I said everyone has arresting store but most people and I'm forty eight years old yeah. I wrestle all the time I do. A lot of independent shows and people come up to me. They thanked me for what I did and he. Cw and they tell tell me all the time. I grew up loving professional wrestling then I got away with it. EC W brought me back and then yeah you know I stop watching it but then I became a fan again and I'm like those people don't leave like I'm a football fan. You're a baseball ban you don't you may not have time to go to a game you made up you don't ever say anti stopped being a fan wrestling fans for while they remain loyal but yes they stopped watching watching and they stopped watching because there was it was the same people all over and over again now. This is fresh and everyone like east. W was different. That's great now. You have the option of NWEA going to be different. Impact is going to be very different. Trust now know if you saw that wedding that wedding that we did was insane and we got more compliments from that wedding than any wedding that's ever been done. You know why because we're where four wrestlers putting together a wrestling show the young bucks cody Kenny Jericho they all. We'll have a say in a company. Tony Kahn has final say in hopefully the buck will stop there but he's also a big wrestling fan and he's. I've worked next to him. He's in there calling camera shots. He's doing everything he can. It's his vision on the line. It's his money on the line yeah so it's it's the same as you know. Vince McMahon sits there vincent man calls shots and Vincent Man is in that truck people want to it. It became almost a cool thing to hate on me when it shouldn't be it listening. You know what though but that's okay because I don't think if there was the hate for wwe and people being frustrated in that product. I don't know if we would have a e W I think. Aws Stem from a lot of people's frustration about the direction that the wwe me was going in yes and but now you have alternatives and we we had billy Corgan in studio and I remember talking to him about his love and his passion passion being a fan and now he's the owner and president of the NWEA. He got away from pro wrestling you know what brought him back to pro wrestling. Cw Him being on the road with smashing pumpkins and going back to the hotel and watching ABC w hotel room after smashing Pumpkins Gig and nat brought him back and you're right when it comes to pro wrestling for a lot of fans. It was all right. I got out of it and something brought me back. What cody cody Rhodes is betting on right now and he mentioned this on the conference call. He's betting on eighty. W is going to bring that fan back back the fan that may be got out of it ten fifteen years ago that I got tired of you know the sports entertainment side of the wwe Awa being more like what we've seen in the past or elements of that will bring that fan back and may maybe it just might be and you know this Tommy. It might be somebody who hasn't watched pro wrestling fifteen years. They're watching you know. TV and there's a commercial eighty w you and just it could be some stupid. It could be a body savings. It's in your DNA man once. You're a fan it's in you. You need something to bring that out. Maybe Awa is going to do that for a lot of people that have gotten out now. We'll be back in again the best part about those commercials in those bumpers. Here's what are they always put a new league. They're telling you this is new. This is cool. they have the formula that's working because of how many sellouts else they've had. I think it's a cool thing for. I don't want to be the first arena that doesn't sell out because then guess what as es you would say. This is the worst town ever I would use. Is that is one of my slogans. Don't be the worse town ever but tonight. Everyone is talking about both companies but more importantly if you're looking at WHO's winning as of going into tonight who has more people at the show right now. Aws Winning yes 'cause they have more the people at a sold out venue in DC and how many people are going to be watching the show. That's going to be something that's going to be talked about at the end of the week and moving moving forward if you don't know Sirius Xm than listen up commercial free music plus sports comedy talk and news they have it. All a lot of people think you need a car to enjoy Sirius Xm but you don't. Oh you can listen outside the car right now. You can get your first three months of Sirius. Xm outside the car for just one dollars just go to SIRIUSXM DOT com slash busted to offer details and to subscribe you can listen on your phone at home online that Sirius Xm dot com slash plus did offer available to new series exemption subscribers siriusxm. No car required tired. We're GONNA find out who the winners are going to be tonight an. Xt Eighty W I figure this is a good time before we get back to the nation before we get the Gaby's weekly segment of Diva Yvonne Divas. We can kind of break down the matches that we're. GonNa see on an xt in a W W W has advertised three top matches. All three titles hang in jeopardy when the war begins tonight on an xt those batches are we're going to see that's why you're those and I'm going. I stumped him. You're it's up to you really are for the annex t women's championship candidates. Gloria going up against your champion Shane Obeys Ler. That's great going to be a great match to quote Tommy Dreamer. That's great. How about this for the next TAG team. Championship streak Pop Streep Street profits versus undisputed. I'm going with undisputed yet undisputed era. I think going to stick with that. They're like the four horsemen of annexed team they are. I like the way last week. We saw all the members of undisputed air with the gold above their heads that it was pretty cool. Big Fan of that and St Prophets are really a proven their worth fantastic entertaining and people keep talking about how entertaining they're they're. They're great in the ring tree prophetess who's your favorite member of the undisputed. ARAH move. I don't believe there's wrestler named on undisputed era. I like all the guys I know Bobby. Pretty who out of all of them. I know bobby fish the longest okay. I'll tell you what sold me besides sides his in ring work 'cause I've wrestled him. He's Owen to against me Adam Cole Baby. Do you know what sold me on him. What's his interview combusted. Okay really I said to myself self what a great representation of an xt. I'll I'll and I've never never hear heard him speak like that before and he was on the whole press junket tour and he handled every question and I loved his representation and again like he's not a owner of the team where we talk about cody or we talk about triple belay ch- but one you choose a champion. Hughes had an amazing representative of the annex t brand and I learned that only exclusively cheaply here on busted open I'm GonNa go with Kyle O'Reilly excellent we can't you can't go wrong wrong with any of them know honest to God and then in the main event you mentioned Adam Cole. Who's part of undisputed era he'll be defending the NFC championship against it's Matt Riddle when you think about that. That's a superb main event. It really is I'm a big you know Matt Riddles. I was thinking of making him my first arouse Arcor champion Really Yup. I tell sold I was on Matt Riddle but he he had a booking where he can make the second second. Round your eliminated wow but I'm a big Matt Riddle Fan. Yeah I am too then now you look at eighty he w dynamite premiered tonight pretty big show as well in the main event. Chris Jericho and lax going up against Kenny Omega and end the young bucks why I say I feel that's a better main event only because of the star power and well I should say the in ring ability and I really early like six men matches like that and I think give that match the time that it can have it has the star power of Chris Jericho. Oh and Kenya Mega we know their history is the LAX. The new factor with the young bucks were the greatest tag team going to me that is like must see main event of a great main event for a w hangman page versus pack looking forward to that. Um that'll be a good one M J F versus Brandon Cutler as well. I think the world will really enjoy 'em Jeff you could potentially be the best deal in wrestling give him that platform that he now has he'll be nervous beforehand. I think and you know what cody talked about this in the conference call and it. Kinda relates back to this match with 'em J. F. and Brandon Cutler cody says on social media and aunts and therefore in such that he really likes to mention the teams that he enjoys enjoys like you know he's you know the Georgia in in college cowboys in the NFL because you know if you're not necessarily a wrestling fan and you're Georgia Fan. You know maybe you might be interested in a match that cody's based on his likes. You know dungeons and dragons as like a big thing. MJ F F. is making fun of everybody that you know plays dungeons and dragons so maybe fans of dungeons and dragons that don't necessarily watch professional wrestling will tune into this show because there are big dungeons and dragons fan and they want to see 'em jfk his ass kicked. What do you think about that well. When you don't have weekly television leading up to it it's a good platform in this entire company has been based on social media and I loved what they saw so the preview of one tweet and that's how it went and almost like a bat and how this thing has morphed into the beauty that it is and don't forget Cotija wrestling Sammy Guerra Guevarra who it that is going to be the the opening match and triple. H said that CO versus riddle is going to open his show for annex t tonight MOE wow so then that's not even the main event. What are they gonna go with the Amine Event and annex t they they're going to go to women there. Are Daiki go at the tag match. I think they'll go to women. They could go to women women sure I think they were. GonNa go out. Cody said interviews in the past that his match with Sammy is supposed to be the first ever wrestling match in a w television whether they stick to that or not I don't know but he has said that. That should should be the opening stick to your guns young man. It's going to be tough. It's GONNA be tough to show exciting that we're sitting here to forty eight year old men we have. I mean breaking news. I didn't say how enormous this is already. The highest rated show of all time here and We're sitting here and we are. We're fantasy booking. What's going to be on and W W when we talked about earlier the war they've already announced that this is is what you're going to see when you watch. I so what they're doing say. Make sure you don't watch them think about that. We've had ric flair on stone. Cold Steve The voice than in Studio Mick Foley Studio. The highest rated busted open ever was the debut of Gabby Segment d von Divas Divas Divas. You just said Davis Okay Not Yvonne on Divas Diva on divas he. I'll leave that one get the get the tables for BUBBA. He could tell you a lot about Yvonne Divas but yeah that's me go and but think about that thing that we're speculating speculating and like look at the positioning look at this wasn't around during the Monday night where though social social media was around but you had a tune in what was going to happen to see like Oh my God is somebody going to show up. I just watched something the WWe right before Monday night raw and Jerry lawler. Did you hear what Jerry Lawler said he supposed to Wrestle Bret Hart on the first episode also of Monday night raw and savage and Vince are supposed to be doing the announcing and then someone goes to Vincent says of events you need to watch TV and randy savage shows up WCW and then vince like no sold it and said Jerry you want to do row with me tonight and Jersey. I've I've had a job for twenty years like think of that. That doesn't happen nowadays. The leaking part would be one but what. WWe Is telling you Adam Cole Verses Matt Riddle is starting the show so that's a nice way to say. Do you really you WANNA. Watch somebody else or do you want to watch this. That's a different type of war. That's a war of in your face more so what's more important seeing the better match or seeing the first ever and exte- we've seen it before we've seen the takeovers. We've watched the show. 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The Still Real to Us Show: Episode #553  9/17/20

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The Still Real to Us Show: Episode #553 9/17/20

"They are so stubborn and they never ever put their tail between their legs. So this would be something that we completely go against history and it'd be earth-shattering nonetheless. A. Welcome everybody. Welcome to this week's dismissal real I show. Number five, hundred, fifty, three for September seventeen, twenty, twenty. Welcome. To this week's edition of ASS are T. view. I am one of the Shell I am, Jeff? Beck. Joined every single week but Michael does a man who is going through a critical time in his life looking for a remote control for television that his son. Has left somewhere and also has a brand new cellphone, the one and only Dr Trae. Franklin. Doctor Trae what is on my friend? As we learned when the show started a half talking into the ASS end of my phone But I found the remotes. So that's good news but you ever had those days where you feel like, no matter what you do. Wrestling just follows you I literally sit down I find remote. I look at the TV and there's John CENA talking to his movie daughter for movie, Cock Walkers. So is wrestling just stocks you ever you go. Yeah. Wrestling certainly is everywhere is ingrained into the day-to-day entertainment I think anything that Dwayne. The Rock Johnson does is actually integrating wrestling into entertainment and our day-to-day society in lives and I. also I often have like this this thought like who would have figured twenty plus years ago that Dwayne. The Rock Johnson would have been is now the the biggest movie star in the World John Cena. is on his way up in the entertainment industry, it it certainly sees seems to me to trae that the world is also by the way this is one that I definitely would not have ever seen Wwe Hall of Famer Donald Trump running the United States. It's only feels like wrestling is is just running the world. Yeah and you and you love Dave Batista who's becoming one of those big action stars as well. I mean the world we live in now. Way. More. Ill, a bigger allowance for wrestlers entertainment. You know back in the eighties if Hogan Piper was in a movie, it was kind of just Laughed upon and shoved off into the other side of the blockbuster movie blockbuster movies. You know now if if a wrestler starts to break into Hollywood they actually seemed like they're actually given those guys a shots to make headway in you know move up in the world of acting. So yeah, it's It's crazy. It really is some day. I'll actually tell my children and tell my grandkids as well that the very first wrestlemainia went to the at one time president of the United. States was inducted into the w hall of fame like those are things that. You. Never thought whatever intersect at any point at anytime in any universe in any galaxy ever created like that isn't even something they could be written into a movie like that is at best something that is written into satire of sorts. But that is the world we currently eleven. If you've ever seen the movie idiosyncrasy, no, I haven't. Go go find that movie because the premise that movie is everything goes crazy. There is a former president, a president who is a former American gladiator type wrestler type guy like it's very stereotypical wrestler but yeah, the world goes basically the premise is SMART. People have less kids than dump people. So by virtue of that, at some point, dumb people take over the world. and that's the premise is that the president is basically a former wrestler slash action star who's now running the free world. So that is you go watch it. It's it. Basically a mimics will I mean I think the movie came out like five, but it basically Kinda mimics what is going on aerobic. World at do maybe that's where the ideas came from right there in a movie that I hadn't heard of until about a minute ago Welcome. Once again to this week's edition of Star t thank you for joining us. Thank you for downloading the show continues brother word about s rt you one of the rare weeks where there's no premium prediction there's no recap review on the horizon for us that will pick back up next week as we head into clash of champions. Then we'll recap that show on the first of October and. Then, in that same show on the first of October, we talk about NFC takeover then on the eighth will recap and actually take over. Then of course like Helena Sal is right upon the horizon. So this is one of those rare rt's now where we just get an opportunity to talk about things that are going on the world professional wrestling, what happened the past week and all that good stuff with all of our great listeners with that said, let's get into the first topic on this week's edition. The show Dr Trae, there's a report. Out there right now that Wer Fish w. e officials are considering dominic mysterious one of the top three or four baby faces on. Roy. Ray Now the story comes to us from Wrestling Inc npws. CIDER POW insiders reporting that W E officials considered dominic to be in the top twenty, five percent or one of the top three or four baby faces on the raw brand. Dominic has impressed wficials since debut in earlier this summer because of our high up on the car, they see him, his push will be continuing Israel and then revealed. On the new data we day of documentary on summer. Slam which is available on the delivery network. How Dominic impressed me chairman and CEO Vince McMahon at summer slam a behind the scenes segment from summer slam featured dominic returning to the grill position after the loss seth. Ron's where he think Vince for the opportunity fits man hugged him and congratulate him on the performance saying quote congratulations very few people can get that kind of reaction whenever they're in the ring. No matter how long they've been the business so you should be very proud of yourself. Dr Trae I'm on board dominic mysterious being a potential prodigy right now for professional wrestling and completely blowing pass any type of expectations I personally had as a fan watching him in the ring but to put him in a three, top three or four. baby face slot right now on the raw brand that is a bit surprising to me. Yes because I mean if you just you know on paper was this look at it I mean you got obviously drew McIntyre Kevin Owens keithly Who Else in you know ray when he's healthy, that's four who then yo where does the u? But after four it Kinda does drop off. You know go to Apollo crews, necks, Shea, like where those guys slot in. I can see him being know top five baby-faced as because of just. The dearth of baby faces on the brand. But you know if this was smackdown is the top four on Smith act down. I mean, it's one of things where. He fits in just because they haven't really built up baby faces on either brand really I mean really they haven't done a whole lot with this roster during the pandemic so. He's new he's fresh. He has lineage you quote Unquote Prodigy He's going to get a shot to succeed where other guys may not have gotten that opportunity but it just kind of falls on his shoulders if if he can handle it I mean we've seen. Second third generation starts before Kinda hits a decent run to start their careers but then it's you know, hey, can you handle the pressure? Can You? Can Fall in change and grow in some guys can handle it and some people can't handle it. So he's in a prime position just basic because of the way the roster shakes out right now what I like about dominic is I like the way he's been booked right now he is. He only has one while he's two victories right? He has the tag team match with his father and he has the Solo victory in the street fight against Buddy Murphy where Murphy just tap out because he couldn't take any more strikes from the candlestick. Everything else I have been els and he's put up a good fight and it's been really good booking. It's been really good booking on the way that he gets his victories and I've really enjoyed and it's very small sample size. But at what point I mean the he's going to balk. He's be creatively boxed into a hole where they can no longer do this like at some point dominic mysterious to come off as a believable wrestler getting victories and not some sort of underdog or fluke almost like the way that typically was booked his father over the years and looked like a a for mention top three or four baby face win. Do you do that like I mean you make a case that the the rollins feud came to an end on Monday I I'd think so but you can make that. Case I, think this is GonNa continue on for a little bit longer with that. We saw with Dominic sister and Murphy as well. I just don't see them close that chapter quite yet. But when does he get victories? Right? I mean he's going to have to take a step back. He's not going to be in the ring with the keithly. He's not going to be in the ring with Randy aren't right away or even drew McIntyre. He's actually vying for the W. E. Championship, but he can be vying for. The United States Eitel. Do you put him in the ring with the Bobby Lashley with the US todd on the line right now that's a huge loss of me like I think that's Bobby Lashley destroys him and then maybe even take a step back just the way that they've been booked right now look at a guy like Ricochet Apollo crews, Cedric Alexander they come top of mind to to me like does dominate a victory over any one of those wrestlers he may but I don't think he should and I think. That's when kind of the fans would revolt a little bit. So when do you start turning the corner from a booking standpoint with dominic mysterious doctor try if he's legitimately three or four baby face right he can get away with that with his personality and the virtual fans getting behind him. But at some point, his in ring ability has to also catch up to be in that top three or four, and he's GonNa have to start getting some real legitimate winds win. Does he do that on the Robin and against who? There are ways of doing it where you don't expose them in ring as much I mean putting him in the ring with Seth. and Buddy Murphy who I think is criminally underrated in ring performer you those guys can kind of help carry him through matches and even Kinda keep doing that. You know with certain stars, you can put them in the ring with the Rand Yordan say post summer slam after the I mean it used to be after after his rematch with you know drew McIntyre as rainy moves onto something else you can put a Randy Orton the ring with with Dominic disgusted the history of Randy with his father and everything else randy carried through a match you know. Shelton Benjamin can carry him through a mess there. There are guys there that can help kind of carry him until his in ring ability matches up to where his position on the roster, and you can still play him as the underdog Airdrie because he is so young. You know and fans will I think most fans will still Kinda if a pass for a while being the underdog I being a young kid fighting way of I mean that's the kind of stories that we as wrestling fans live for. We'd love watching. These guys fighting scratch and claw their way the top you know as long as they're not shutting it down there are I think they've done a good job of. not, completely shoving Dominic Dour throats, but is going to beg the question of. What happened on raw buddy night with the whole family being involved does the whole. Family get shoved throats, Zach cause a backlash against it but you can have show that fighting spirit at heart and getting the upset victories for a while and not damage the people. He's in the ring with the with you whether it's a roll up or sunset flip or some kind of you know quick victory at dot damage is opponents you know. Short of now, we get to like six months out night out. It were still doing it and we haven't seen the progression of him at the rate that that's where I think the red flags up. Yeah. I mean, this is really important time for his creative booking on how the early part of his crew to go from this point forward That's why I think the injury to his dad is such a damn. Shame it. It's like this. It's a weird double-edged sword because now dominic gets showcase himself in the single standpoint, but I would have liked. To seen. Dominic tag with his father I? Think it's a very easy tat booking for a brand new superstar WHO's also a second generation superstar dominic mysterious is by tagging them with his father and giving them an opportunity to run with the raw or smackdown tag-team Traffic Jim if they get moved at some point with Dodi Louis draft like to me, that's a very easy booking standpoint that can carry itself for a couple of months. It allows dominic and Rada tag with one another, it keeps them at the high part of the card and it doesn't jam. Down the throats of the fans and he's not getting any victories singles victories that look like they're a fluke and or he shouldn't be getting victories and there's resentment from the fans in a tag team he could hide any of his flaws and it's just a very easy type of booking by putting him in a tag team with his father giving them an opportunity with the raw. Or smackdown tag team championship, and I thought that was one of the missed opportunities with Roy mysterious, most recent triceps injury rate along the beginning here of Dominic zero as a superstar. So it's interesting to see how high up the chain the WB officials are looking at dominic mysterious right. Now, I was quite surprised to see top three or four, maybe a year two years time Yacky. Get. On that bandwagon the kid has a ton of potential but at the same point, I don't want him jammed down my throat, where is a fan start resenting him and the way that he's been booked over guys that I feel like should be book tire on the card like a ricochet on Apollo crews a Shelton Benjamin were to senator up jared sanders so feel free to chime. In asks rt podcast on twitter with your thoughts on how dominic mysterious should be viewed by W, e ficials when it comes to the raw brand does he deserved that spotlight being a top three or four baby face on that brand moving along here? Dr Tried. There's been a lot of debate in recent weeks especially after the two Super Tuesday's specials that W E Annex T. this in these last two weeks of whether or not. It's time to put an end to the Wednesday night wars and exte- rightfully. So they're viewership was higher when they weren't up against a w on Wednesday night and when they moved to. Tuesday. And the same sense Awa did better when it was aired on its own regular time slot on Wednesdays and I think they did rather well as also when they removed on Thursdays Chris Jericho's come out recently in interviews on his center special that he's been doing since the pandemic started that it's time for an exceeded just move. We all know why annexed moved to Wednesdays. Or excuse me went on the US and our USA network they were always on Wednesdays was to go head to head and still viewership from May W. at this point, we're almost a year into the Wednesday wars and it's not working, and I think fans are growing accustomed that You know there's there's the theory out there where I could watch Awa live on Wednesday night and I can watch annexed T. on Thursdays on the w network subscriber or just watch it on dvr I typically do that I typically watch Awa live that I watch on Dvr same thing with Dr Trae and he'll watch annexed on the network the next day. And you know it's at this point I. Think Things Have Changed Since the Monday night wars in the late nineties where you know you were we were down for that type of stuff we were down in wars. Now it's like you know there's enough room for all of us. Let's all spread the wealth. Let's help grow the brand and not have a dueling competition and make the fans choose right In the same sense Chris Jericho it's Kinda talking sideways out of his mouth saying, YEP, go retreat wave the white flag you guys lost. We kick your ass every single week while I would say aws been a better product than annex this entire year I I don't I i. think it kind of relies more on I'd rather watch a w live and if I'm wbz Fan I have the network I'll watch it on there then say that aws is is just more supreme than next is an and like making a victory lap by beating the Third Brandon deputy me I don't necessarily know if that's like the right thing to do. But. With that said, Dr trae there is some true credence behind this and as a wrestling fan I gotta be honest I enjoyed watching annex t on Tuesday than watching aws on Wednesday I'll watch impact wrestling on dvr. That night Tuesday night or Wednesday afternoon I thought it was great I thought it was good I didn't have to choose I'd have to go back and forth have to do any channel flipping, and this is coming from a guy who grew up in the Monday night wars. Where do you stand on this? Is it time for annex, T to move off of Wednesday nights? Is it time to put a stake into the Wednesday night worse call it dead I mean. If you're WWE, you're trying to grow annex T has legitimate brand big you're having. These newer fans have to pick and choose between what they would what you want them to watch in which don't want to watch. Yeah. Yeah. You kind of make sense to move the show off of Wednesday. Tuesday or Thursday I I prefer Thursday because that was the one day we didn't have wrestling on it. That way I don't have to teach between them and impact which impact has been my most enjoyable show to watch just because I like the comedy factor stuff to it. But at the end of the day, you really want that competition because I think that has really kind of. The Irish sharpening the iron says beginning that's why we've had some of these rate matchups on cw because they haven't had to head connection I guess I'm kind of on it because I kind of like the competition aspect of it. But then again, I also liked the fact that I wouldn't have to choose my wrestling and they're just be wrestling available every single night of the week Monday through Friday to enjoying watch and not have to go. Yeah. Well, I'll watch this that I and I'll watch this on dvr I'll watch this on on network because what ends up happening is life happens and you forget to go back and watch shows, and so then you miss an entire episode and you're like, wait what happened how does happen where we at now it does kind of throw it off I am I by the way, I don't have a problem Jericho tooting the Horn of w. like that's brand pride. They're happy I mean at beginning with this whole thing start I don't know if anybody thought that a e W would consistently beats and extend the rings because he's a WW Bryan on a major network But they've done a really good job of it. So I have no problem tooting their own horn that they're here. The are one year old startups technically beating a WW product you know, yes not number one, number two, show number, pre show, but. Number three show has a pretty strong cult following over the past five, six, seven years and beat that. So good I was at that for for their victory lap. So let's switch to. Okay. So there's a lot of things there. So let's let's switch rosters for second right let's put Jericho Moxley into annex t anybody that's like a former w. e. person Roussev over indulge me NFC as well, and let's keep the w the way it is with the core core with cody cody, Kenny, Omega, and the young. Bucks. All right what who do you think is the show that fans go and watch. Still a good question I I still tend to think they would go to Agee W. because it's different than the other wwe products I, mean I mean if you had Jericho exceed, that would probably be really hard to pass up because I'm GonNa man Jericho, Ballard Jericho out of Coal Jericho Chaba. There's some really great magic. I? Don't know if the other wwe. Moxley. Yeah. He might move the needle maybe to maybe not stay the degree of Jericho is right there with them but you know the rest of the guys they've signed and brought in the brody lease the rue says those guys I don't think they move the needle as much if they went back to a wwe show as maybe Jericho and Moxley do. But you know when you look at what aws kind of dawn and Kinda gone to that pg thirteen you a little bit more of attitude era s type stuff. That's still going to move the needle regardless of who the competitors are just because it's a different breed of product that what we've been accustomed to the last twenty years in professional wrestling in in the states. Yeah. It's an interesting concept because I think aws better right now I I would put them in there as my early favorite for promotion of the year, and that's even looking at all the brands separately inevitably way I think. If you put a W and raw against one, another more likely watch eight W same thing with with smackdown right now as well. But I think doing a victory lap the third brand of of w we right now annexed isn't something that I would be like going crazy about instill viewership is nice but it isn't at the levels of where they used to be. So there is still this this down product, but with that sad, I. Do feel like aws had more momentum since the pandemic started then then annexed he has on on Wednesday nights and I would be open to NFC moving to another night. But I just don't see me doing that I cannot see me doing that like we're hearing about them having these ongoing discussions right now but they never they never put their tail between their legs. They are so stubborn and they never ever put their tail between their. Legs. So this would be something that would completely go against history and we'll be earth-shattering nonetheless but who knows maybe this is something that they end up doing for the betterment of their brand and for the betterment of of w we as a whole moving forward. So you're triple h Dr Trae do you make that move? Do you move an x t to let's say Tuesday or Thursday nights away from aws and then Wednesday night worse Though because I'm. Set exactly why they were doing. That's just not nature. They will literally beat a dead horse until the horse goes back to life somehow I mean the history of the only time they've ever changed nights because of network issues never been because of. Somebody, beating them I. Mean you go back to the Monday night wars and you're in eighty two weeks of WCW beating wwe, and they never straight face that kept to their showroom kept their time slots they justed adapted but they never just said, hey, we're moving to. You know we're going back. I mean they could have easily done that because you know the old eighty show is Tuesday nights. moved. Tuesdays, and the hardcore fans would have been like going back to their home base. this nother nature their nature is okay. So we're losing right now what do we need to jumpstart this thing in a move? The show Ford's where its action winning this battle. That's that's the McMahon Helmsley way is you know by any means necessary we're GONNA win this battle. So I would I would leave it on Wednesdays because. The other thing you worry about start moving your show around to different nights, and this is what I've rented to the past couple of weeks with aws. Is. What night they're on. I, totally forgot they were on Tuesday nights. I literally watched I watched impact because that was my north So it's it's bouncing a show around you'RE GONNA lose your core fans because struggle with you're on. So it makes sense they've just go. Hey, if we're not winning this battle, let's stay on Wednesdays and figure out what we can do with the roster and storylines to Daft come up, and maybe they pushed the envelope a little bit more pg thirteen because the other shows basically fan. Under the guise won't not one of our main brands can get away with more stuff. Yeah. For me the words was fun from August of last year till about mid March and that turning point was absolutely one hundred percent when covid nineteen like now, if you'd said this six months ago to me, I would have been like, no, that absolutely not this is still fun. I'm doing what the crowds are doing on sides people are excited but I think gaff. Being home and no fans or limited fans depending on where they are or. Students that it just as kind of loss its its luster, and you're just kind of looking at both products and you're looking at it going you know they probably would be best just apart from one another and not in straight competition because there's enough room for everybody. Let me watch my annexed on Tuesday or Thursday or my on Tuesday or Thursday, and and leave the other show back on Wednesdays are just permanently on Wednesdays going forward and just give people that opportunity to watch the other show live or in its entirety in another form or fashion. So I think it was exact I think the pandemic. Things, and who knows when we'll be able to have fans come back to these arenas and things are back to quote normal. Internet's interesting. Lee Enough here in the United States, you have the CDC coming out on Wednesday saying that normal life will be back in the United States by the end of second quarter or or basically mid two, thousand, twenty one or the third quarter of two thousand, twenty one or you're looking at like a June to September timeframe where things are quote back to normal again, and that's takes us into the next topic I wanted to bring up here on the show. This week was we are rate at the point I remember sitting here on March the. Twelfth edition of Sr rt you the day before the NBA been shut down due to Cova nineteen. The president is states had spoken to the country Tom Hanks had cova nineteen like it was that weird. Evening where within hours like the US was completely turned upside down granted you at what was going on in China. You had Italy basically shut down at this point and from that point forward like we're sitting here, talking burden depressed wondering what the Hell is going to happen with Wrestlemainia what is going to do? What is a w going to do? What is impacting to do our way New Japan and I? Remember. There was a period of time when we were doing the show I think residents going dark because a w was really looking deep into after those Georgia tapings. If they continue to go forward safely, we didn't know nobody knew there was talks about w we going dark they could be shut down by the local government they were deemed in the central business by the governor how I figure that out folks It was a really really strange time the most strangest time in my life and the strangest time we've ever had to cover anything professional wrestling on the show because real life bled into this show for the very first time, which is supposed to be an escape for all of us and enjoyment professional wrestling for an hour each week looking back at the things that we enjoyed from wrestling and our real lives for right in front of us. And here we are Dr trae on September seventeenth nearly one full month later or a six full months later halfway through a physical year of of of pandemic era wrestling and my question that I asked today is what have we learned from it? What have we learned in the past six months from this pandemic era professional wrestling when we look back Wow that that's that's a really good philosophical question because I'm trying to figure it out my head as you're coming there with it. So. What have we learned is basically adaptability and. You. WWe. W are on this path of you know no matter what the situation we're going to make. Sure there's a show going on like. I, applaud them for their sense of. Our fans meet this We we have to put a product out there to kind of help break up the real life world that is engulfing everybody your consumer products You know the head of the SEC athletics, not not the Banking Commission but the southeastern conference of one of his lines he's use a lot As we head into college football season is we're building this bridge over the river as we walk across the river. So it's it's like I think they've done a great job of improvising on the fly adjusting on the fly but I think the biggest takeaway we've learned is we need fans, we need a crowd response to gauge how well the shows are performing because without that live audience interaction you know it it just kind of felt like a Broadway production that we're watching know it's like the school play with twelve people. The audience I think thunder I think the the Thunderdome. Experiment has been a success because it does Kinda give it a kind of a feeling of. Virtual. Normalcy I guess is a way of putting it but we're seeing fans and you know. Interact more with the I think eighty w's done a great job of you know slowly bringing fans back in to where they cut at Saint Ceiling But I think I don't know if he considered outside of. Adaptability survivability and how important fans really are a wrestling products. I don't know what else you've actually learned other than those those things because. I. Don't know if people were trying to take away life lessons more than just survive in then kind of take stock of where you're at whatever things oak. What I've learned is it has had to force professional wrestling to become creative than ever before we had seen in professional wrestling previously with cinematic matches of got taken to a whole `nother level at Wrestlemainia with AJ styles and the undertaker, and then you saw that carryover into impact wrestling with Sammy Callahan and Ken Shamrock. In a w with big swollen doctor, Bert, Bakker, and they're just The stadium stampede match at double or nothing like they needed to take an extra step forward money in the bank. This past year infidelity headquarters was creative. It allowed the creative juices flowing more than ever before professional wrestling and we'd ever seen and I think it's when it's something that we look back at on I think it's going to be something that we look back and say you know that was really good what what all the wrestling promotions did. Think the second thing for me Dr Trae was you mentioned the crowd right and that is a huge thing that is completely missing right now from the products of professional wrestling right now, and it has upped the storytelling in the ring more than ever before there have been some matches like most recently that parking lot brawl at Awa don with best friends in Santana and Ortiz may be in my mind. The best match that Awa dynamite has ever aired in short history. and then I also take with St because it's just most fresh in my mind. I was watching bree Zanga imperium in the impacting title match on Wednesday night, and I thought the first segment was really slow and boring, and then they came back in that second segment and it just absolutely captured me and I really enjoyed it and I think rather than having the crowd dictate to us at home. What is a really good match? We have been able to kind of like us our minds and our is a little bit more and what we're feeling about said matches to really dictate what we feel is going on in the ring and. That was a pretty cool thing that you've seen that in a WWe raw smackdown annex T carry-on. These last couple of months impact racing was that the wrestlers were doing this Roy Italian with nobody there are very few people they are, and they're making us feel a certain way like rain your edge in the greatest wrestling match ever backlash Jon, Moxley and Brodie. Lee. Double or nothing in their extreme match like it's M J, F and jungle boy at double or nothing like there's been some really good matches that have taken place Damian priests in Keith Lee NFC takeover in your house I thought that was something that at times I think. You know old school wrestling fans and old school wrestlers would say is missing from today's product is storytelling in the ring and if anything I. think that's storytelling revival during this pandemic era. Yeah and I and I don't miss the random. This is awesome. Chance I'm walking home and know that nothing is awesome that I'm seeing right now and I'm like. Is this a plant? That's the one thing I'd say I, I'm really glad. In aws both have not piped in visit Awesome Chan. Again, if they have, it hasn't been notes. You know there is a disconnect in generational watching a wrestling in it happened when we were kids and you know our parents or grandparents were like, oh, wrestling late better when I was a kid and watching it and you know it's the styles evolved the storytelling though is something that should always live on is you know? I've always been a big fan of this is simulated combat like you are supposed to be telling a story. You know what? I see a guy get hit the wrench and then two minutes laters backup in the match. I'm like that guy should be in hospital like there's a difference between you know what you're watching what is reality and there was a blur the lines, but sometimes the lions via blurred so much that you're just like that. That's so fake but you know having the crowd maybe not hijack a show like had become the norm. For Awhile has kind of brought that storytelling back into wrestling when you're watching the stuff with dominic and how many shots did with a candlestick, and then you go to the street fight match with Murphy and he's getting his come here. Murphy is getting come up and it has its APP out because the shots like that storytelling. That's what makes it great because you have that visual image of dominance body with those Ken does take shots and. Now is getting his revenge on. Murphy for it like those things like that is something that was kind of lost for a in wrestling because we've gotten vote. So focused on the crazy high spots or you know guys not selling the injuries as much. It's kind of refreshing to see that kind of get brought back into wrestling without having a crowd hijacked show because somebody did crazy die for the seventh match in a row. It's funny. Because all the years that we've been doing this show like we would review a show a pay per view and we'd be like the crowd was really hot. The crowd was really bad. I. Could do without this crowd the crowd seemed dead and that's to me like obviously the number one thing that we miss is the crowd. It's because at times when you're sitting at home and you're watching you also do you want the same like? Confirmation from the ten thousand fans in attendance to be like, yeah. What I am watching right now is legitimately awesome or when you're watching at home and you're like, this is an awesome and they start doing this is awesome chain. You're like man, they're just marken for no reason but. You know things that we miss right from the pandemic Dr Trae top of mind for me Wrestlemainia this year I just. That whole thing? Like it did not have the same wrestlemainia when you look back at it, it'll be the most. Unique and unbelievable edition of Wrestlemainia in its history because it's something we never thought we would ever see a wrestlemainia being performed an empty warehouse in Orlando Florida, basically and missing that element of seating eighty thousand people in Tampa Bay and wondering like. What moments that we missed like drew McIntyre got robbed. I mean that poor guy got. Robbed after an amazing moment the royal rumble this past year in Houston Houston Texas got nothing but robbed and having that wrestlemainia moment for him when he would eventually ended defeat brock listener at Wrestlemainia you heard Kevin say that he had plants jumped over the pirate ship that's in the Rim James Stadium at Wrestlemainia a W. got. By blood and guts not happening, which was going to be two weeks after their last show in front of a live crowd the week after that from their lascaux was supposed to be in Rochester. That's when Brodie? Lee was going to debut in his hometown they got robbed for that I was real four to that cage match of the inner circle take on the elite and that blood and guts match I thought that was it'd be a lot of fun in its first time in the Tri State area we got robbed from that. obviously, any of the w shows double or nothing all out got robbed. Ring of honor got robbed for the last seven months not being able to do stuff impact wrestling having a resurgence in recent months and not being able to do that in front of France they that's another thing that's being missed right now. New Japan. Tonight. Oh really didn't get opportunity to run with the I W GP heavyweight. Intercontinental Championship after Wrestle Kingdom it stopped in late February. There's so many things and there's a lot. There's going to be a ton of what s right now Dr Trae and also those moments where. You know doctor you mentioned how they would react dominic mysterious how they would react to Keith Lee right now how they would react to M J F you know there guys baby faces right now that we're beginning he'll reaction heels I would be getting baby face reactions. How would Roman reigns be received right now being paired with Paul Heyman by the fans there's a lot of what s right now and I can't believe. I'm saying it I miss going to wrestling shows definitely most importantly but I think the number one thing is is without a doubt having that live interaction in that crowd. Yeah I mean because that's how you gauge your product. You know as you know on on even on an independent scale like when we were doing rockets the Gypsy Rose Lee new guy come out at that crowd is dead. You know when he comes out because they don't know him by the end of the match. You know we want him to be getting some kind of response if he's not then we sit back and go okay either he's not working the crowd the crowd, the crowds dead their character like that's how you gauge those responses and wwe in aws degree. You can gauge it a little bit of merchandise sales, but you don't get that immediate reaction to a crowd. You don't know how well in ankles playing out know how well you know. Returns or surprises are playing out when you don't have that immediate reaction And you really came engage it off twitter because as you and I know twitter, the Toy Isley is much more negative in trolling than anything else I mean. You really ever see the the fans go. Oh, my God that was incredible and get that part trending. It's usually the the negative stuff that trend's so having that barometer of of a crowd response saps the energy from a product and in. The also doesn't really tell the you know the the writers in the bookers what's in what's not, and maybe you know the stuff that you would is it your go hey week we we love. We love. Maybe eighty five percent of the audience doesn't like it and it'd be going in a completely different direction You know the the Braun strowman showing up on raw underground. I thought that was pretty cool. But you know what? If you're the ninety percent wrestling fans of watching it dated it is Yo- that live crowd interaction with kind of give you that. Just. So not having that audience is to me is the biggest missing ingredient in wrestling right now. Yeah, it's It's certainly trained and it's time to kind of self reflect a little bit and. And look back at I. Think you know do time we'll look back at this and obviously say it wasn't the most fun time ever but what were the positives over the negatives one of the things that we miss feel free to chime in at RT podcasts on twitter we're still in the midst of this pandemic era professional wrestling. but hopefully, the worst of it is behind us I I seem to think so I certainly hope. And hopefully, we'll continue to get better in the world and in the world professional wrestling as we move forward. one of the most shocking moments this year outside of the pandemic Dr Trae to me happen about ten days ago on smackdown when. So was crown is the number one contender to Roman reigns universal championship at Clash of Champions We didn't get a chance to talk about do all out last week shows we recapture review that show and everything in between, but it this was I had like. semblances of when Gender Mahal became a number one contender I was like this makes absolutely no sense. But in this case, it does because it helps further along the story line of this new. He'll Roman reigns and what better way to do it than the bloodline of J. also I've always thought Jimmy and Jews are extremely phenomenal workers. I think they get pigeonholed being twins and being on a tag team but they have that ability that capability similar to Jeff and Matt Hardy where they did get opportunity to run on an in a singles wrestler I think they'd be extremely successful as a mid card wrestler. I don't think it ever see them as Awa champion, but they could certainly have a good match as we see what they do intact matches. Well, in due time James is going to get that opportunity in a singles match against Roman reigns who may arguably be the biggest he'll and very short time and professional racing today. Is this the right move is Jay Ouzo the right guy to face Roman reigns right now at clash of champions in ten days. Yeah, because you're trying to establish that this is not your. Typical. Roman right. This is the villain Roman, right? This is the guy that. is going to be. Have Bloodlust. You know just all the stuff that you want in your monster heel champion You can't keep sacrificing your top guys to him Geeky, sacrificing your your feelings and your bronze and everybody else. It makes a ton of sense. If you're going to have Roman be this monster he'll. He's gotTa take out people that. You feel like he wouldn't normally do in taking out his cousin in this in this match makes a ton of sense because then what ends up happening is you can take j. back out of the picture for a while. and. Then if you want to build a stable you bring Jamie Jimmy and j back in as you know the buffers, the totally horns too. The Romans flair can do it that way and it makes a lot of sense so. I love the move. It did kind of come out of left field in a sense of would have liked to see a couple more singles matches before he gets that run. Yeah. Absolutely but. Listen. We we got lucky last year with the Kofi Kingston run baby. Maybe who so run isn't far fetched I just I I'm with you I don't think. I don't think either Jimmy or Jay will ever be. A full-fledged arm WWe champion But if they ever got a chance to break away to have a decent singles run and and become an air con or US champion that wouldn't shock me, they're fantastic workers and they have the lineage in the experience to pull it off. But this is strictly about building up Roman reigns as this Mazda, he'll who has no allegiance to anybody but himself and by proxy Paul Hayden. Something, that's not being talked about right now enough in my opinion, it goes back to win. Really, the last I would say two months I feel like smackdown from a creative standpoint has been booked very very well, I enjoyed the way that they do the things with Braun strowman and Alexa Bliss then the fiend Bray Wyatt and Roman reigns being involved and now the stuff with Jay who so has been really enjoyable and then you have like the side stuff that's going on with Biggie and then Miz and Morrison and heavy machinery with Mandy Roseby and traded to Monday night raw like. There's been a ton of good stuff on smackdown in the last two months that I. Feel like smackdown has been a must watch shell for people whether they watch it live on Friday or watch it on Dvr over the weekend. It is a show that I think he should be going out of the way to check out because creatively they've been doing very good job and I'm excited to see where things go for the brand moving forward because you know I, I had my qualms about J. USA. Contender. But after what I saw smackdown this past week and then we'll we're attempting to see tomorrow that's being advertised. It'll be a Samoan street fight match with Roman reigns James taken on King Corbin and Chaim as it's been done very well and it's enjoyable to watch the entire show top to bottom one part of smackdown than I'm a little bit apprehensive in Leery about right now is the Bailey Sasha storyline which came to head on last week's or two weeks ago edition of smackdown now were. Bailey finally turned her back on Sasha banks something that we thought has been coming now for like the last year that they would eventually turn on one another This may go down as a few of the year may be in contention with Randy, Orton edge feud as well in my opinion because he always felt like that Sasha and Bailey, we're GONNA turn on one another but then they didn't, and then they got better as tandem and had maybe probably the best summer of any wrestlers this year. they did the attack. Two weeks ago on smackdown Dr Trae, and now Sasha is due to return tomorrow night on smackdown. As an old school wrestling fan like myself. I thought it would be perfect that they kept Sasha banks off television as long as possible. They wanted to be an four weeks. Another six weeks had an and survivor series that would be perfect with me. But instead saw she'll be addressing the attack on tomorrow night's edition of smackdown. Is. Sasha banks returning to early from her attack by Bailey? I think it kind of depends on the angle they take with it because like I'm with you because it also guy I would have kept saw. SCHOFF. TV. A lot longer let Bailey. You got you know Jay USA getting shot in title know Roldan's back on TV talking ill, you know factored Naomi back into the mix. We just had the big twitter thing with the Oh give Naomi chance he all that stuff you know let Bailey deal and they only for while while you, keep Sasha Way and then bring her back now. That being said. If. Sasha. Comes out Friday night and goes. I completely get why Bailey attacked me. She's absolutely right. And I'm sorry that Bailey felt that way because I love my best friend and I want this to work. That's a different angle. Angle we see we've never seen somebody get attacked and then go. Yeah. Deserved that. You know and then kind kinda spin it back up where maybe Bailey's like ways. Sasha's sorry and she gets she's Robin and I'm Batman. And then that spins the angle even farther out but the bring her back this soon, if they're just go with the classic friend turn on friend now your other friend and wants revenge. It's too quick a trigger poll especially with you don't really have anything like survivor series is not you know to me not It's none of the level of Wrestlemainia. You know summer slam or even royal rumble. It's the fourth or fifth pave you like I. Just don't put it in the esteem categories. The other ones now based on how been booked the years. I would I would be holding off until royal rumble. Bailey go at it. So I would kind of hold her off TV, but it's it just kind of depends on where they go with this angle. Yeah. It certainly is that way it appears that this is going to be a live in ring segment. I. Would like to see in this be. Done via satellite or via zoom nowadays in quotations here, and just keep her away and really sell this and make it. Know depressing enough where Sasha's may be retirement and she can't foresee wrestling move. That's the direction tomorrow night. It's very easy to say that. But we'll. Recent. Dr Try if you've been watching impact us the rich Swann Young. On copy that one where you know Sasha's not medically. Cleared to compete, but she's begging. Don't even really I mean Adam is Adam Pierpaolo is Adam Pearson a roth if that's the case who's in charge of smackdown because. She has to make her case. In charge of the show to get medically cleared to to fight Bailey and that would kind of. Erase the year the he'll thought I remind because we're you know even we haven't seen Sasha's a baby facing quite a long time. So if you get Sasha back to me in a baby face, you want her to want to go after Bailey but officials won't let her do it, and then you can stretch the angle out to a bigger pay per view when she finally gets cleared and they let her compete Sidebar by the way. I think Adam is doing a fine job in mental official role right now for whatever reason. But yet strange that's the got that they've been going to lately has been Adam Pearce as the authority figure for raw and smackdown interesting. What happens tomorrow night on smackdown where they go from here with this but doctor, I think you hit on the head if there's any type of storyline that they should be emulating right now it is the. Eric Young Rick Swan Angle and impact wrestling because rich Swann had a very bad injury couldn't wrestle returns gets injured again retires gets beaten up by Eric. Young is still limping still on crutches still in a boot is told to never wrestle again. However, he pushes impact management as as also does Eric Young actually physically with Scott to more to have a match at bound for glory for the championship late October. Rich Swann Eric Young that is A story line that has been perfected really well and I think one that w should be nearly emulating right now with this Bailey and Sasha banks storyline going forward but the farther away those two on the ring to better it is it adds to the anticipation and leaves a void in the mind of fans they really WanNa see something don't give them run away make him really vie for it and maybe they save it for Helena cell but. The longer they wait the better in my opinion. So Sasha banks back on smackdown tomorrow night, we'll have to see where things go from from there with her. 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Tony Khan

Le Batard and Friends - South Beach Sessions

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Tony Khan

"Hello welcome again to South Beach sessions. Happy New Year to everyone. You know if you've been listening to us for a while that we have a bit of an obsession with the owner of the Jacksonville Jaguars and his marvelous mustache. We're not talking to him this week. But we're talking to the results of a romantic moment forty years ago or so that he had that birth the man. We are talking to Tony. Kahn he is is the president of all elite wrestling. We like to talk to a bunch of different people around here about a bunch of different things. He took on a venture that a lot of people would have questioned whether or not it could be formidable given The stranglehold that Vince McMahon has had for many years over wrestling and he doesn't do much of this. He doesn't do many interviews so we got a chance to talk to him and we are also trying to figure out a way to get onto his father's seven story yacht so we decided let's talk to him about all elite wrestling and his father and his upbringing and because he's had an unusual path to get to some of the places that he wanted to get to and he shows wrestling could've could've done anything right and he chose. I want to build a wrestling empire so here he is. Tony Cahn after Mike Ryan quickly tells you about this week sponsor Dan Dan. It's made possible by our friends at Ziprecruiter. It's a new year. The perfect opportunity to take your business to the next level by hiring the right people but finding qualified candidates can be challenging orange ziprecruiter dot com slash. Beach makes it easy. ZIPRECRUITER sends your job to over one hundred of the Web's leading job boards. 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Grab bag mostly built around the shipping container characters. And we'd like to have a lot of fun you never know what you're gonNA get every week and this week will be no different so please if you like what you hear. Please subscribe subscribe rate and review and check out some other properties including spotted in the meantime show with Lenny but also mystery crate only before we get into your upbringing bringing and how it is that you were raised. Can you take me through where you're wrestling roots. Start like how is it that you became obsessed and this kind of upset. It's funny because the first time I ever saw wrestling Damore a lot of different channels on a lot of shows to watch and one of the big shows with a team and I saw Hulk Cogan on eighteen and he was like a special guest star in that like us almost like a guessing member of the team. Like you wrote in the van with them like you would distract people when they were on the missions and stuff and they showed him in the context of being cogan the wrestler and wrestling. And kinda crazy. That's the first time I ever saw wrestling. But that's the first time I really remember seeing anything with wrestling at all. And then I wanted to learn more about it and then I started watching and learning about all the different wrestlers when I was like six seven years old hold. It just became like a huge part of my life like other sports. You know around the same time that I was becoming obsessed with football and basketball and I would go to the Illinois football and basketball all games as a kid. I would also watch wrestling as I possibly could. So you see hulk Hogan on the eighteen and you're like I need to find out more about what this thing is. Yeah Yeah Kinda basically. Yeah that's IT and so who were the wrestlers of your youth? who were the obsessions? Was it like a world was opened up to you a creative imaginative world. Yeah that's exactly right then. Rick Flair and Macho Man Randy Savage Bret Hart Were guys that I was a huge fan of as a kid and they were selling my favorite athletes. And I didn't know the difference when I was like you know six seven years old You know if you asked me all my favorite athletes were at the time. I probably would have said like Jeff. George quarterback the oil when I was a kid and and randy savage The Macho Man. That was a part of it but also that I really love sports and it seemed very peripheral sports it was kind of the perfect marriage of all the TV. I watch all the sports that watched the kids. Where and how does this become something that you're taking to your father and your father others saying yes? I like this idea as business like where what had to happen between that You know the team at six years old and now you're coming to him at what age saying in something. That's pretty appropriately enough thirty years past there yes all. Right Outta time passed. I grew up and became working in in sports. And when my father bought bought the Jaguars that was my first job in sports and I worked for the Jaguars free teas and and After he invested in sports properties with the Jaguars and and with them and I've made investments in sports analytics and I owned and operated company called true media out of Boston which ESPN Works really really closely with We provide baseball football soccer analytics for all ESPN platforms TV online and work really closely with the stats and Info Group Group and also work with Nineteen Thirty Major League Baseball teams so I put together some interesting business cases before but this was something very different and to the point you were asked like where he where he thought a good business case that he felt really good about that didn't really happen until we launched because it was a leap of faith on his part because the the projections I was giving him there was no evidence that this was actually going to happen to tell them. I expect people are GonNa buy these pay per views. I expect. WE'RE GONNA GET television deal right. Now is the perfect time to start a wrestling company because the abundance of talent that's available as I explained it to him at the time if you were going to try and start an NFL team well. Hey there's huge barriers to entry nobody's GonNa let you into the NFL. Okay well you could go start another football league but to get fans People are going to want to see the name players that they're familiar me. And the best level of football and the top quarterbacks for example to put together a great passing game or all in the NFL we were in a really unique position in the world wrestling somewhere. A lot of the best talent and most capable wrestlers. We're going to be out of contract at the beginning of two thousand nineteen and there was a chance to put together together a roster of wrestlers that would make us one of the top leagues in the world. So how long before your father came around. What were the initial conversations like the initial conversations nations? Were like this is kind of interesting. He wasn't really going to commit to anything. And then I Had brought in my good friend Kevin Riley who who also had shown some interest in the project Kevin is the president of Warner Media and is the president of TNT and TBS networks and Kevin is the first person I'd really approached about this idea when the TV rights for wrestling had gotten very valuable and His network was going to be looking at getting involved with that they didn't end up Bidding on the WTC contracts to the point where they were you know so Going to be seriously considered I think era raw or smackdown but they had you know taking a look at that and done their due diligence and I I think he realized that there's a big audience for wrestling and that You know for live TV viewership It's really a great way To bring new viewers to your channel and TNT had a great history of broadcasting wrestling Going back to WCW and even before WCW. Jim Crockett promotions and and different wrestling companies out of Georgia and so Really with Kevin Coming in my dad was of course interested. Because here's the president of Warner Order. Nedia the president of these huge cable channel. TNT BS and he's showing some interest in my dad's I think thinking. Okay well I probably should show up and show some interest in this but He he knew that when that happened. Okay well if the networks are taking a look at this this must be a serious deal. But we're we're things got kind of tricky. And it's funny because I was actually in Miami of all places last year around Christmas time and we had no TV deal and I had no commitment commitment from TNT or any other network partners that they were actually going to do this. All I had was they were definitely interested. I had no commitment from anybody. Really Bend. It was going to be a big leap of faith based on his part that all this stuff was going to come together. That are pay per views. We're going to be successful. That all these wrestlers that I I believe we're GONNA sign with us in the New Year that they would sign of this in the New Year and you ended up believing me and I was really thankful. But he's done interviews since where he said. Ed You know he's really glad he took that leap of faith because it's worked out so well the company's grown but he he's been the first of May he was really skeptical and honestly didn't believe it was gonNA work. Were you bluffing or were you doubting. What was happening? How scared how scared were you That you don't have these things down insecure. I was worried read but I believed I could get them because I knew that there was interest. You know I'd heard from other TV channels that they had serious interest in it. If if this hadn't happened I believed in and the wrestling community. I believe in the wrestling fans and I believe that this was something that everybody had been wanting for so long for somebody that had the resources and and the love wrestling to step up and put together a roster starting a new league and do something with the production values that are really GonNa make people sit up and take notice because there hadn't been a second major company running a live weekly television show from a different. You know nice ice arena every week. I think people have tried doing you know weekly. TV shows toured and people have tried with much much lower production values and much less of a production budget. Then we have for our show and try doing them you know taping in Theme Parks and stuff like that. But it doesn't really have the same look as when you tour the country tree and you can run a great basketball like we've done and I think that's kind of part of the appeal of the show is it's old end it's new. It's like the newest most exciting fast paced high flying wrestlers of today. And it's new and it's old in that like are promos are almost like the curb. Your enthusiasm Asimov wrestling because I really don't believe in sending a wrestler out there with like a ten page Soliloquy and script to memorize and I find that when I watch other shows it's awesome like painful to watch people talk and sometimes these are really charismatic. Guys that could hold like a really really really interesting conversation. But they're being like force-fed dialogue that no actual human being would ever say a realistic conversational situation. But and somehow these guys were supposed to believe them and believe in them and when I was a kid I never would have gotten behind somebody that was reading a script I really believed In the charismatic rustlers at my childhood that these guys personalities they were the best talkers. There are is that part of what drew you. The idea of flamboyant charisma did you have a lot of that. It Ethnically in your life. I don't know maybe I don't think my household conservative. My parents are really really cool. People and and you've probably seen my dad talking and got a feeling for him that like especially in the world of NFL owners. He's pretty chill guy so I don't think it was any kind of rebellion or anything like that. I just think I thought it was cool and That these are larger than life athletes. And I've always loved sports and You know when I was a kid like Jon Sanders. Here's was doing pizza. Commercials where you know. He was getting the baseball pizza and football pizza for each game and Like there were. There were big charismatic athletes then N.. But it seemed like the wrestlers had big personality that anybody and other Dennis Rodman Dion Sanders and the Macho man. We're going to the wild athletes when I was a kid but yeah I wouldn't say anything on my house. My parents were always like it could have been a mustache could have been the mustache the mustache I mean that's all I need to know about your dad. Isn't it like your your father must have a flair for flamboyance. If he's wearing that for under his nose that's fair that's fair enough but you know he's also like one of the most fun people you'll ever talk to and you you also really a hard guy and I had to work really hard in this business case an even in the end there was no concrete proof as with most business cases. It's it's pretty hard to prove something's GonNa work until it actually goes out and works. I spend enough time with him walking in through the projections. Introducing the Kevin. Even though you know Kevin I never committed. I'm definitely going to do this. He certainly knew Kevin splashing blood. Real Guy who'd met with us a few times and had interest. It was a leap of faith on his part. But for me You Know Ah. It's always been very consistent with my parents would be like really supportive of me. They also wouldn't have just like poured money into a venture unless I've worked really hard to show them that I can make this work kind and made them believe that there had to be a chance that it could work. Forgive the stereotyping here but analytics world and wrestling world. Those are two very different world. You know it's messed up. How many of the top people in football analytics are obsessed with wrestling so there? There's actually a huge cross section but do you ever Bella Bella checks a huge wrestling guy. Greg allman a huge wrestling fan. Greg Roman is an obsessive wrestling Fan who used to write to the newsletters and like the eighties and nineties? So I don't. I don't know bill that he was right. I'm actually really really close with bill but I've never asked him if he was wrestling Fan But now that you've asked that I will. I have to ask him but like Greg Roman example huge huge wrestling fan. I meet guys all the time in the NFL who are but specifically in the analytics community like do you know the football. Outsiders there's website yes all those guys are interesting and like Bill Barnwell before bill and I knew each other through the world of football like bill. Barn while I will post on the same ruffling message boards when we were little kids and then when we met all the football analytics many years later it was like wait. Are you the sand bill. Barnwell I talked to when when I was a kid about wrestling. And how did your career veer off. Because you said you know seven eight years doing this year in the Jacksonville learning the ropes of your father's business. Clearly you were headed on the different path than the one you ended up on no. I'm still doing that path. I you know I used to spend a lot more. This is GonNa be blatantly blatantly the honest assessment of my life. And where we're at with all of our different businesses but to be honest with you Dan. Things got a lot better for me when I stopped spending every every minute of every day beating my head against the wall about things. I couldn't control and I used to be in this office in Jacksonville every day. All the time beating myself up about things here and it's not in my control like I'm not the head of football here and so I've gone out and tried to do other things in my life rather than just beating my head against the wall over the last several years so I still like the head of analytics here but the head of analytics at a lot of NFL teams like that job. Involves a lot of beating your head against the wall. And so I would what any time I had. I started to branch out and do other things several years ago I took over as the general manager and sporting director of the English football club. My Dad owns foam. We've had ups and downs there but certainly from when I took over. Were much much better shape. And I've had the great days at the club since then and in a much better place than we were when I took over as a director of football a couple years ago but really I've been here since two thousand twelve and I've never been the head of football and anybody who's obsessive with football. I will tell you that most stuff in the NFL. Like there's so many things that do not jive with what they analytics guys. Probably saying. And I think a lot of your nerdier listeners. A lot of my fellow football football outsiders readers and people who are into the next Gen stats that the league puts up and sabermetrics. People are probably all nodding along and they know that. That's not what I'm saying in all and you know for all these years because I've you know had had that time where I I can put together the stats for the game. Put together reports for the coaches on the draft picks. You know the time I really enjoy the most in the NFL for me. Outside of the Games themselves in the season is The undrafted free agency. 'cause I'm not. In charge of the draft picks I can't make draft picks but generally have been able to sign undrafted free agents and if found some pretty good players using stats in analytics. Identify good undrafted talent. That's one of my favorite things things to do but again you know. These are things that I should have a little bit of time left in my life and rather than like get a social life or personal life or whatever I chose go Out and try and do some other things like then and make some other businesses and and build other things up and I'm really glad I have because you know if I was still beating my head against the wall I probably wouldn't Have Gotten to where I got where they W and probably wouldn't have had this great day. We had to form a couple of years ago where we got promoted at Wembley Stadium. What's your back story though? When you go back to your childhood I would you explain to the people listening? Who Don't know or have any idea how you grew up? What are the important details? I mean probably the most important thing you want to go back in a nutshell is that I Love Sports Statistics and I love wrestling and when I was like I lost a lot of weight like if you look at me now. You probably wouldn't picture me as I was when I was like fifteen From like fifteen to sixteen and especially from fifteen to seventeen I really did like major transformation. So I'm the same person inside but outside you know I got braces. Glasses lost about fifty pounds in the span of about a year and a half so it was like a physical transformation in highschool. But if you saw me at my Natural Habitat Kinda before. I went through this puberty spurt. That was it in a nutshell. Like just watching tons of football and basketball and wrestling and obsessed with those things. We didn't have a football team where I went to high school so there was no team to keep stats for but our basketball team. I would be stats keeper and sit on the bench with the coach and each year. I got more and more involved. And by the end they stopped hiring Coach for the Varsity and I would just be like a sophomore in high school junior in high school and I would be coach of the Varsity and keeping keeping the stats and looking for stuff that you know interesting breaks in the game and this is the four basketball analytics. It really broken out. I mean we. We knew like so much a lot about the game of basketball back then. People know about it now but yeah that that would be meeting a nutshell. I would like go to basketball. Practice after school keeps his stats. Talk to the coach And then go home and watch wrestling and procrastinate on my homework or anything else in my life and that's pretty much it. I always loved sports and wrestling. And I'm really fortunate and to be able to work in it and I it's it's not exactly the same way it's very very different paths. You Talk to be able to work with your dad. But I'm also really fortunate that I get to work with my dad had and he's been so open to bring me into his businesses and giving me chances to do things but my dad wasn't worth eight billion dollars like what was normal and not normal about your childhood could be honest. I think I had a pretty normal childhood. I grew up in a mid western town. The big change in my life which was awesome. I'm for many reasons is when my dad got involved with private aviation probably around twelve because at first it was great because I would see more because he used to go away on trip to Detroit or la on business and it was you know commercial travel. He wouldn't be back for days and then all of a sudden the trips were a lot quicker when he started taking private plane When I was a kid and then we started to take some vacations on private planes and stuff but until I was probably twelve thirteen fourteen? I really didn't understand a lot of differences in my upbringing from anyone else. I went to school with to be honest with you. You Know My dad was not a billionaire when I was a kid. He was becoming a multimillionaire. All Time millionaire and He's business really grew through my childhood and I watch it grow But he definitely was not worth all those billions of dollars and I was a kid either but you know certainly I also didn't want for anything and he was like the hardest working best add anybody could ask for. Did you want for a dad. who was home more? Was He home enough. Did he have worked like ally. Maybe maybe before I was like twelve but then like I said when he got the private plane I saw him so much more. Because you know if you spent the day in Detroit well you come home if you had to have dinner in Detroit while he could still be home and you also get an hour back on the flight so he would like get home at the same time he left. Basically you know what I mean I all of a sudden you start to see him a lot. More so No that was. That was good. He was there as much as I possibly could have been. What makes him special as a businessman? He's got really good instincts. He's a really hard guy to bullshit. I think in football hopefully now that he's learned more about football. I hope this serves him in US better because has certainly as he learned about businesses. He's like a really smart person. He wasn't football guy he was not an XS and Os guys. He got into it but I do think the longer. He's in it the more you've learned about it and he's going to get better at that too but certainly in the businesses. He's grown up in and that he has like an encyclopedic knowledge of specifically the automotive automotive business. I mean he's a legend in that industry and what made him a legend in that industry I think is a combination of his instincts and The fact that he's somebody who keeps his word and he's got an integrity and those are all things that really rubbed off on me. I think I'd like to believe that I'm a person and who has good instincts and also has a lot of personal integrity and you know for whatever this is worth. I people have told me in the different businesses. I'm in that I'm the most honest person in those businesses in the world of English football and soccer in general. I've been told I'm the most honest man English football and I don't know if that's a good thing or a bad thing but but I generally don't like people and I think a lot of times in teams and sports trust is a major issue and When when you have players or wrestlers or whatever your Rosser is they trust you? I think that goes a long way. What has landed on your doorstep that you weren't expecting acting in any way that came with this wrestling venture? Jon Moxley. I never in a million years was expecting that Jon Moxley would be wrestling for us this year and that he that he would have come in especially so quickly in the year he was on our first show When we look to launch eat view I knew that there was going to be a good possibility ability? I've got another answer for you tonight. Awa but my Awa answer is John and What happened was we launched at the beginning of the year? I knew we were GONNA GONNA launch with Chris. Jericho one of the biggest names in the history of wrestling. Chris is one of my all time favorites. My Dad when I got into the University of Illinois Laboratory High High School When I was thirteen years old he said you can all you can basically have whatever you want one time? What do you want and literally when I asked him for was to take take me to Philadelphia for a weekend to go to EC? W are you kidding me. Wait a minute he offers you A. What was it? He's offering you a genie's wish y just because is your thirteen. I got into the University of Illinois Laboratory High School which is one of if not the top academic high school certainly in the Midwest in West If not the United States and my graduating class and the class before us and I'd probably Wan after us to I don't know because I was gone by them but Certainly certainly up pretty much. Every year we had the top. Att Average In America per student and my graduating class so we had the number one ACT The average in America for any class is more than thirty students and he offers you as a reward. Anything you want in the world and you choose stories. And he's like well. What do you want like you know? And I'll do something for you where you want like and I really did not WanNa go to this school and I got kind of tricked into taking the test and then I took the test and I got in end and I was told all I had to prove that you can do it and then my mom pulled a little bit of a bait and switch in McDonald's parking lot on me and started crying when I told her I did when I got the letter that was going to get in and then I said I got in but I don't WanNa leave all my friends. I WANNA stay. Finish out my eighth grade year with is You know all the friends I grew up with and she said well you know this is such a huge opportunity and she started crying and my dad said well you know. Why don't you just do this and and look like you can have anything if you could have anything? What would it be and I said I really wanted to go meet all my Internet friends? which is kind of crazy? 'cause this is nineteen ninety six so I was thirteen years old old and I had all these people that I traded tapes with to watch all the different wrestling from around the world like Japanese wrestling of of the nineties and Lua libra wrestling thing from Mexico and the nineties and also a lot of older rustling tapes from the seventies and eighties. So that I can learn more about it and it was going to be Chris Jericho's last weekend and he's he w before he went to go work for. WCW and so. I saw Chris his last two matches. NCW which is funny. Because now Chris and I've talked about this. A bunch of my dad and Chris talked about this is a bunch but my dad had no idea what he was walking into. Like E. T. W. in Philadelphia was like the demilitarized zone and And he was so oh cool about it. That was like to me one of the biggest things ever so but when you go back to like go let me go back to your previous question which was got off way off subject subject you asked me about what is falling in my life that I didn't expect well. Chris is one of my favorites of all time and he's so many people's favorite wrestler. I think he'd be on a lot of people's Mount Rushmore and a lot of people's top five top tens and whenever people ask me about e w they wanNA talk about Chris. But I knew when we did this part of my business case was we could get Chris like Chris and I spent a lot of time together and I knew that if I could make all the pieces fit Chris would come and we had all these exciting young wrestlers that were the fastest paced most exciting guys and they were building their own huge independent fan bases with the young bucks. Cody Rhodes and Kenny Omega. what I never expected with Jon Moxley would get out of. WWE and be available to us from our very first show because he's you know somebody huge in the world. The wrestling that I'd never met I'd never talked to when we started this and That was a huge surprise to me. Another by the way thing that fell into my lap. That is totally unrelated to aws but just to put my foam hat on for a second talk. A little English football with you is L. Alexandrovich who is a the top top top player in not just in English football but in the world of European football soccer worldwide Alexander Metro which is one of the best strikers and the way we acquired him is actually pretty crazy story. If you've never heard it I have not so. It's I know it's off subject. But the way metro came into our team. It was originally on the loan. He had originally agreed to go back to one of his former clubs onder locked in Belgium and at the last minute basically the transfer window in England in madness and at the end of the night. If you haven't ended up somewhere then you're stuck until the next window and the only windows are the summer and the month of January so on the last day of January. A couple years ago under lacked at the last minute had this transfer fall through and these guys had so much integrity and he had so much integrity and we had so much faith in this player that they ended up doing the medical for him there on site because there was no time to fly back to England like like we were down to the final minutes and they actually did his medical assessment at this other team. That was like a total third party. You know. He's a star player them easily and goal score right now in the English football league and I'd be remiss if I didn't mention the way that happened because it's been one of the greatest things that ever happened to us. You were basically guilted by your mother and bribed by your father into getting an education. I have that right well. I would've I've got an education somewhere but into getting the best possible education. That is correct. Yeah I can't imagine even if it works out or maybe they're just happy that their son is happy but when and you go from there and a family of cheever's to wrestling that is not the most common of paths. No matter how much you love it I can see parents not loving that that as a as a journey point you know what's crazy. They never did. They never supported it. They were fine about it. They didn't they weren't not support it but it wasn't like they encouraged. You know what I mean is being fan my whole life and as I gotTa Move Donald My life and dawn other things and in sports and with my life you know. I don't think they the thought of me is somebody that was sitting around watching wrestling but when I had free time to myself these past few years. That's absolutely what do anytime I had a chance when I wasn't working former. The Jaguars are true media. I would love to just sit down and watch wrestling and keep up on it. And as we want eighty w my parents have never been prouder of anything that I've done and they have been so awesome and they've actually become wrestling fans That's what it would take. You know I was getting involved in this business as a family and you're getting involved in this day to day they come to all the shows like we're doing dynamite in Dallas and we're doing it in conjunction with the NFL owners meeting. You know the scene and Mrs doubtfire where like Robin Williams is going back and forth between like he's doing the job interview and then he's like taking off your door actively of Lee and you and your Dad Will You more than your dad obviously are going trafficking between the two world. I am the one who's probably trafficking the most between the world because I'm day to day like I'm the president and CEO of Awa but I also have NFL responsibilities. I'm on committees and the NFL the NFL has got the league meetings and the owners meetings in Dallas and and I knew about this months in advance Dallas at top wrestling market so when I was looking at scheduling shows. What do you think I thought it would be a great week to run Dallas? uh-huh so like if you like describing the scene in Mrs doubtfire where like running back and forth between the two tables that's going to be being Dallas I'M GONNA be bouncing back and forth between the League meetings and the arena where we'll be setting up in producing the show and You know in the mornings I'll be with the NFL. And then in the evenings I'll be with aws it's pretty good microcosm for what life is like is it because you love both like is it What is it you? You don't have to choose one because either one one of those jobs seems like it's plenty I love it. I love the stuff I'm doing. And it also be remiss not to talk about much love at Fulham Like the greatest. Data's Day I've ever had was the day. Foam went to the primarily in May twenty eighteen lumber stadium and I were in third place out of twenty four teams right now and at at the end of the year. The top three teams go back up to the Premier League and I think we have a really good chance and while I'm at you know the NFL League meeting and then going over for the he w production meeting in Dallas. I'M GONNA be really closely watching our Fulham game against Preston. That's just what life is like. Now I really very fortunate to do all these different things like Ryan wants to light you up. He's wearing his Chelsea hat right now. He's wearing all Chelsea colors he wants to yell at. You really don't want no. I have a great relationship with Chelsea and Michael Tell you that they want us players do when we got promoted who owned callous. NPA's on or awesome. And I just bought a Michael Hector from Chelsea who's coming In January so there there are good friends at Chelsea Cross town. It's a London door be Chelsea stadiums actually located in Fulham and craven cottage is is a delight. However that being said there's a reason why they weren't around in the Premier League Very Long? It's I'm just supposed to say this about arrivals I really don't even really don't bother me all that much. It's a lovely place and they've always had Americans. Yeah there's I don't know if there's another club in England that has had multiple players from America wind player the season but I know there's nobody had three players in America when player Stephen and we all know where the best American is. Don't we tony. Okay yeah the I I. He's he's very good but you know we've got Tim ream and look a dilatory and Marlin Fossey. So we've got great great American talent now and we've had Brian McBride and Clint Dempsey. So I think foam is definitely had the best American talent of any any club in the world. Frankly what is happening with your parents parents when you say they're prouder of you with everything you're opening on a w than they've ever been like. What is it because they realize is that some of your childhood dreams come true and they kind of doubted it? They didn't really support it. And here's their son and their son was right. No even even been really great and supportive of things like would I ever done. It was so great. You know what I mean like I. I'm always happy to contribute to help out here. When if when things we did go well a couple of years ago with the Jaguars and having always gone well? But I I do my part here and then at Fulham we had a great season two years ago and went up and I really work my ass off to help offers get up and I was really disappointed when we didn't stay up but I've worked really hard to try and keep us up and now I'm working really hard to get us back up and they know and appreciate that but Awa is something thing that you know they were there when it launched they know how personal it is to us and it's a family business and they know how much my heart and soul I put into this and how much I care about it and they go to the show and that's meaningful to me because I couldn't get my mom to watch wrestling for two minutes my whole life and as a kid like I'd be watching it and I love spending time with my parents so it was like but I wanted to watch wrestling so you know I'd be in a room and nitro would be on and it'd be like hey you WanNa Watch. WCW received Monday nitro with being the answer would always be no absolutely not And now they can't get enough of eight w they watch it all the time I go home they have it on on the. DVR They come to the shows and then they go home and they watched the show they were at my mom doesn't it's not like she just knows the top stars it's not like she just knows you know Chris. Jericho Jon Moxley the box. Cody Kenny Omega. She's like into everybody. All winds wrestlers everybody even the smallest smallest acts on the show. It's really really fun like when my mom is now. Really into like Lucia Soros and Marco stunt and jungle boy. Who are an upcoming act back when she meets the wrestlers? It's she's like the most bubbly sweetest person then. I just had the best time with it because I never in a million years would have imagined my mom would be having such a a fun time with wrestling. Is Your analytics department. The reason that you guys stayed so long with Bortles. When you shouldn't have to be honest I don't make any of the big decisions? The only only players that I've really brought in or undrafted. Free agents like jared. Wilson was our starting free. Safety is a player. I got out of the University of Michigan who you know. Nobody had a lot of interest I am. And he had played over ninety five percent of the snaps on Harbaugh's defense and they'd been any way you want to slice it a top three top five defense in America and he's playing Lang almost every snap and playing different positions. You would cover the slot. You know play in the box. He would line up to third and just a really nice player and I was surprised when he didn't get drafted TRAE Herndon. WHO's been starting at corner for us? He was out of Vanderbilt doubts. Were not really talking about him. And we didn't have any good scouting reports on him but he had some really good analytics and got him here in the coaching staff really liked him after I had signed him and it was a very cheap finding. Frankly thanks to get an undrafted free agent. That was not really in demand by finding players like that. Mike Helton was a player. I signed gone onto the a very productive player for Pittsburgh big. Who got caught from here after I signed him in general? You know signed a lot of defensive backs that have gone on to do pretty well and some other players Corey grant was running back. They did some good things for us. had a really good first half and AFC championship game a couple of years ago. That one's still haunts right. That one still that that game everything about that game where you had that game on in Foxborough. That one's gotta still hunt. Yeah I think about that. Play all the time and that game and and to be honest I said bill attacks I think like one. Am just congratulating him trying to be the bigger person I we probably had good of a case to complain as the saints last year. And make a big deal of it and and 'cause I I you know I don't think that necessarily the right call at the end of that game either but we didn't and we took it in stride and maybe that wasn't the right choice. Maybe we should've spent the whole off off-season yelling about it but we didn't and so now I don't know if everybody remembers that that happened in the game the way it did but I can't really put it all on that one play either. I I think had that call not missed where miles jack was not down and then he was running it back and they blew the play dead. I think it's very likely we would have one. We would have been up sixty points and we would kick the extra point to go up. Probably Seventeen late in the game and I don't think they would have come back to win and I think we probably would've gone to the super bowl if they called all right but at the same time I think we probably could have done a lot more and they score the points in the second half and we didn't on offense and that's why that night it was probably one or one thirty in the morning I ended up texting. Bill you know. Congratulations like you guys did it. You guys scored the point. I gotta live with it and I'm happy it was you that one and It couldn't be us and all the best men they kind of moved on from it since then to be honest. How Does Your Dad Process Jalen Ramsey Ramsey arriving at a camp in a bring struck like is this the the wrestling fan in him Enjoy that or how does that work. He's gotta you gotTa remember. He's not the wrestling fan. I the wrestling fan in me really did enjoy that but yeah I don't know if he enjoyed it as much as I did but I thought that was. That was pretty funny. Can you tell me whether you believe our listeners. Play looks like game and your father gets some entries here and I've got just a couple of new. Tell me whether you think that your father looks like this. Does your father father looked like a Vaudevillian silent film. Movie Star. Okay does he look like the villain who has tigers and lions roaming free in his home. Yes Ah okay very good so he does. So you're neither one of those things is true right your father by no. He wasn't a Vaudevillian silent film. Movie Star but he wouldn't also be someone who would have exotic animals around the house. Would he oh no. We don't have any Just a French bulldog. He's got a French bulldog they love. And that's it to two French bulldogs dogs. In what ways though are you a billionaire family like what sort of what sort of ask if you had to show off something in your home or in his home that would show off. Look this is how it is that the family is worth eight billion dollars. What would you point to because it's gotta be something bigger than private flying? I'm in my office at the stadium. And he's dock doc like a mile from here in one of the nicest yachts in the world and he's living on it right. Tell me more about that today. I want to hear more about yacht. Take me and take me on a little tour of that yet. Take you literally on a tour of it are you. Are you in Miami in January of the Super Bowl. We're going to get invited me. Yeah I would like to be a hang out on the yacht in January and during this I will hang out with you in January and they all are you. If you're around January fifteen at the the University of Miami on campus actually Is it the WASCO center that will be there on January fifteen three w dynamite and so Be there then. And then there's the nappy convention so we're actually doing a special episode called Bash at the beach. Awa Dynamite on January fifteenth. So I will definitely be there in Miami and we'll be there so I can give you a tour in person rather than blind your listeners. Well I don't think they'd be bored by it. I was hoping that you might show they've got got a helipad right. It's gotTa doesn't have a submarine while like I've never been in a helicopter my life. That's real suffering. I Find I. They really freaked me out man and especially a single engine single point of failure. It just really makes me nervous. What was the Guy Mike? Who was the the yacht owner that the yacht was so big Roman Abramovich owner of Chelsea incidentally With the media the whale foreskin seats. Yeah but not only that but he built a yacht so big that they can't talk it anywhere it just. It's not Dhakal anywhere right. It has I think it's like auxiliary boat is like one of the submarine always Mike. That is a yacht like that. Oh No no age very big time. I mean it's And it's not there's many places where it is not Dhakal but it doc about probably more places than what you just described I think it defies description by words. I mean you know they say pictures worth a thousand words. It's it's absolutely beautiful foale. It's it's massive. It's longer than a football field. You know it's a over one hundred yards long and seven stories and Each rooms more beautiful than the next. My parents did an amazing job decorating it. They have great taste the yacht itself and I really can't get it a good good description that would you know I think like I said probably looking it up online or or I'll give you a tour impersonal. Probably what those things are money pits. Those things are money pits the idea the horn on my father. This is a genus businessman. He is he charters. The boat for like a million and a half a week and people charter it all the time. So he's he's even got this lifestyle paying for itself that's how smart is million half a week. A million half a week for just people to treat it like a party boat. I think that you know the crew to a pretty good job Making sure that the charter guests don't tear the place two pieces and don't quote me on a million and a half is the exact the act figure but yeah ballpark. A million and a half So what other examples would you give me of your father being a great businessman like what what would you say to to me is something you learned either long time ago. Where recently where you're like? This is how my father does it. That unique I mean he bought the Jaguars for like seven hundred Sixty million I think seventy seventy I mean it was like That's a great. That's a great at the right time. Right he got in he hit. I mean the Carolina Panthers just went for much more than that very recently. Yeah and I think I think you know we'll never see an NFL team sell for under a few billion ever again and to get one for you. Know under eight hundred million I think is very astute Business and how did he do that. How did you guys do that? What do you recall He had come kind of about as close as any good. Could come to buying the rams because Mr Cranky at the time actually was the forty percent owner honor and Mr Rosenbloom was the sixty percent owner and my dad agreed to a deal with Mr Rosenbloom to buy the sixty percent in two thousand ten. And that's actually when Stan Mr Karake used his matching right and ended up. That's when he became one hundred percent of the rams and then from there the word was obviously out that you know my dad's looking to buy a team he. He began working with Wayne Weaver. And about a year and a half later They ended up closing. That you tony appreciate talking to you. Thank you for spending the time With US I was I was just. I did all of this just so that I could get a super bowl yacht invitation so I feel like as you got it. This is a big success for me. Thank you for being on with us. We appreciate it. My pleasure I've always wanted to talk to you In any form or fashion. And you do it on your show is On a seven storey yacht preferable. They do the We can do the follow up there.

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Episode 17: Big Fat Arn Anderson

Bill and Frank Eat Pop Culture

57:18 min | 1 year ago

Episode 17: Big Fat Arn Anderson

"Yeah <music> it. Everybody and welcome the bill and frankie pop culture. I am frank and with me as always is my friend bill. How you doing hi friend frank. I'm doing only grade bill yeah. If you recall last week i told you i was taking the wife and the twins mm-hmm to see barenaked ladies in hootie and the blowfish. I do recall that so i thought it would be cool. I thought it was you know. I was like well. This cool take 'cause they like music and we took him to see imagine dragons your ago and they love that and i figured well how cool to take them to see like bands from my my days. You know what i mean. Nineties jam jams so they absolutely first of all barenaked. Ladies still still put on a fantastic show. The doug deprives me. <hes> i mean they came out and within five minutes had my kids completely hooked just with gordon just the opened up with some song. I didn't know but i mean i would say out of the whole set. They probably only played three songs. I didn't know yeah figured and then at the end they went into this like medley of covers in doing other goofy goofy shit and it was just awesome the big big question now big question. Did they play the big bang theory theme so absolutely nice and when they go into the second verse. It's so strange yeah that is weird. That's like when i found out there were three verses to cheer saw yes much akin to that now now the other thing that i realized that night is i don't like hootie that much nominee either way there's probably dishonesty recognized but when he when he played like hold my hand and <hes> letter cry later i like that was great but anything else i was like man i i don't fucking care in the kids didn't carry either. They were like all right. We're ready to go so we left and we left like well. We hold on. I'm giving myself credit here like like we stuck around for like an hour of hootie the las a lotta hoodie sure and he he was he was doing. He did multiple of his solo stuff me either which i have zero. Yes as we were walking out as like 'cause you know. May i fucking hate country so i was so we out but it was it was fun. I mean it. Was you know it was hot and sweaty and you know her. She stadiums all bleacher so like my fucking ass was killing telling me anyway so so you built so this <hes> i'm recording. This podcast live from my bed. I'm recording it live from my couch. Oh that's new for you. That's a new spot isn't it. Yes it isn't <unk> worked my podcast station which catch which the big one in the living room why why aren't you in the mass cave it takes a while to cool that room down and actually turned on the air conditioning tonight. You don't spend a lot of time time in the mask anymore do do a when he's usually watch t._v. When i get home from work and francine has taken over the rest of the house. That's a great eight room. Yeah that is going to miss it because i'm going to move but maybe it will be a new mass grave <unk>. There's always going to be a batman and there's always gonna n._b._a. Back cave so there's always going to be a mass in your you're supposed to finish that with and there's always gonna be mass cave. That's i'm a little i'm a little lamb edge. We got. I have roughly twenty four hours until pennywise returns. How many hours do you have until a w. Have you tickets go on sale. That would be friday morning at ten a._m. And we'll be purchasing to are you. Are you making you're. You're gonna make a go no at yeah <hes> my one of my buddies from w._w._e. That lives down here. <hes> we were together tuesday night for our fantasy draft after and he expressed interest in going so we're gonna go. That's i would say that's that's probably a good <hes> a good compromise when somebody expresses is interesting going to go franken over the awa event is going to be at the bojangles arena spo- time bo time all the time down in charlotte all right bill enough of this idle chitchat. Let's start the show all right bill so we had a <hes> a pretty fun the weekend of wrestling another large wrestling. We can kind of sneak up on you these days yeah. It's it's. It's getting hard to have anything nothing else to do on the weekends just getting hard. I'm i'm hard right now or your bed in your doc so just so usually i'd say ninety eight percent of the time. If i'm in bed in my pajamas you're erect. I'm heart yup right so they. W all out yeah did you watch i did. I unfortunately could not watch completely. We live. I ended up starting late and then i got too tired by about one in the morning and i finished it the next day. Why did you start i. I was out at a labor day function barbecue <hes> i got back later than i thought i was going to <hes> and then i was just i had <hes> <hes> some drinks earlier in the day was not drunk anymore didn't drive drunk drive drunk but i was just tired and i wanted to enjoy the last couple of matches so i saved him for the morning so my experience was similar but not really okay so. Let's do it this way. I'm gonna just do this out of the gate. Get it over with so. I haven't watched an x t takeover over cardiff so here's what happened so i was going to watch it so i had to take the l dog to a friend's house to a sleepover <hes> over gotcha. I take him over to sleepover. I go in talk. My buddy steve for a little bit. Come outside. Steve grow nice. Come outside outside would frank do frank left the keys in the car with the lights. On of course he did yeah battery debt so we jump the battery battery still debt so we jumped the battery again. You won't make a guess still dead still debt so so then steve at the drive me home so i got home later than i i wanted to now i now i'm walking in as all out of starting. I'm sorry as the pre show starting so i walk in in honor of joey janetta. I've told mary to get me a case of white. Close yeah and you should've gotten cracker barrel takeout. I should have <hes> have you ever taking taking a shit. After eating cracker barrel <hes> <hes> chicken and dumplings it is it is like it reminds me of the movie seven so get home and isabelle's having a sleepover so her friends parents who were friendly with they they had stopped by and they were chitchatting with mary on the on the couch idle chitchat. I just chitchatting idle chitchat and i came in like a big boisterous jerk off and i was like put on t._n._t. Because i thought the pre show is on t._n._t. It wasn't so then i go to bleacher report. I got a fucking log in the shed. It was a turning out to be a shitty day. I was already mad. I missed annexed. Teen might fucking car is still over at steve's. Don't know what's going on there. I'm thinking i'm gonna have to have a toad code. So then i start pounding white clothes. I must've had to say i had thirteen white. Mike loss jesus christ so i ended up getting really really drunk and it got to the point where like like i just. I wasn't really watching the show yeah like while. I was watching it. I was watching it but i couldn't remember anything and i was like talking to the to to the people because i liked them that were over and <hes> and they relate asking questions about the show and i was in there showing interest in professional wrestling so i was like trying to encourage that and then they laughed them for the last few matches. I was absolutely annihilated. 'cause i kept taking down white clothes. So when i woke up sunday morning i really watched the whole thing again this time with the dog because he was home for some reason went back. The next day car started right up with a jump weirdest thing my whole saturday. I was so excited to just watch wrestling day. I ended up like barely watching any so it was kind of a lack of self control. Yeah i got i. I've got a plan better but anyway watched it. Sunday morning didn't read any sports or anything overall. I thought it was a solid show. Yeah <hes> that's i'm so that's kinda where i'm going like <hes> i was fully prepared to get yelled at by you and certainly yelled at by people on social media but i thought it was solid but not spectacular <hes> yeah it was. It was not as good as double yeah now. It definitely wasn't as good as all all in or double or nothing there. You know it was solid. There was like maybe one or two matches that stood out like four star and above level <hes> but nothing nothing nothing really crazy happened. There wasn't anything that was like super knbr shocking which i guess is really not fair because just because there was at at the previous two. There's not gonna be everyone's. I i gotta kinda. Get out of my head and that's sort of an unfair dacian to put on them but i also i did actually think some of the matches were going to be better than they were on so i so i thought so start. Let's let's let's go down the cart art. Okay go in the you wanna go to order of the way to show winks. I have it here. Yeah okay so <hes> counting. You wanna do appreciates. Well sure okay so the first thing was the casino women's battle royal. Don't have much to say as far a battle royale is a really tough as far as about a royals go. It was fine. I think the predictable person went over <hes> nile rose. I pop a little bit from a mercedes martinez being thirtieth person. That was kinda cool or the maybe it's not thirty twenty first person yeah the joker so that was kinda cool but you know i thought maybe brubaker had a shot at winning but i think neither rose is the right choice. I don't think anything spectacular happened. It wasn't wasn't so boring that i fell asleep but it also wasn't fantastic. I think that's a perfect assessment. You missed one major thing though what's bad girl she was in it. She looks phenomenal. She always looks nominal. I mean we're going to date at some point. She doesn't know it but it's going to happen. <hes> can i sleep on the floor next to the bed. Yeah absolutely okay next match. Next match was was which was the final match at appreciate was jack evans and in jellico versus private party again for me was a it was good good match <hes> a really nice. I thought i thought a pretty nice showcase for private party. They do some really great tag-team stuff stuff sort of innovative <hes> which i really like <hes> and i liked that <hes> angelico and evans attacked him after the match which you know cementing themselves heels nice yep <hes> but you know wasn't it was fine it. It was a lot of these. There's not enough of a story really but hopefully that'll change once t._n._t. Starts it was exactly what i thought it. I was going to be <hes> you know private party. It was a showcase for private party but i mean i guess you could say it was a showcase for evans and <hes> angelica two. I'm a fan of in jellico but once again it's like like i mean who keep going back to it. You know it's gonna sound like a broke record because you just said it but it's really hard to. It's really hard to give a shit when there's no story line and maybe you know maybe if you're like a hardcore indie fan in your whole. Wrestling world is no storylines lines. It's different but you know my pedigree is not no pun. Intended is enough of that of a w._w._e. Fan that i i want to me the story. Lines is what makes professional wrestling great honestly. That's why i never got into ring of honor because their gimmick is work. That's it. We're yeah so i mean it was exactly what i thought it was going to be like. You said i mean you. We've got a hill tag team now like very clearly so that's good <hes> yeah i mean they're just much else to say about a private parties definitely really a great tactic in so yeah up and coming and something to watch something to be excited about getting them in a program with somebody on t._v. Week after week <hes> in jellico and jack evans you know they <hes> angelica was great on on lou underground so <hes> yeah i i mean i their tag team. Division looks pretty good. Yeah well speaking of sort of <hes> once we went onto the main show the the opening match which which you know what when we when we preview this event we talked about this match. We thought it would be the opener and it was a good choice opener and it that was exactly what we said it was going to be so callen censored daniels zarian scorpio sky versus the jurassic express legit soroush jungle boy marco marco stunt. It was everything we talked about. Neither of us really care for markets that much but i love jungle boy which sources growing on me. S._a._t.'s really polish team was really fun. Opening match that got the crowd the pop the crowd about stand out in this. I thought he can stop was really good <hes> and it was you know so calendar centered. I thought needed kind of needed to win. <hes> so i mean it did exactly what an opening matches to do. Get the ground going. I was gonna say the same thing bill to me. The stand out in this match was lucious. Harris golden boy looked great. <hes> <hes> esi you i mean they're they're great. They're great you know. I what do they call. Bill curtain jerky occurred jerkers yeah. They're great curtain jerkers. I mean they come out. Take all the marks lava. They get the crowd hyped. Kazarian is just so fucking cool. <hes> daniels you know in i know you're finally coming around on the guy like he's a cool dude and they just they're solid workers and like their their whole gimmick in a w is going to be to put people over yeah the veteran team that gives people the rudd brother it so <hes> yeah i mean i thought lucho soros came out of this match looking fantastic me to end <hes> yeah. I thought it was a great opening match. I mean you know once again absolutely zero fucking storyline yep but <hes> <hes> you once again exactly exactly what i thought it was going to be yet and i've ever there's a you know if ever there is a place where match that doesn't have a story line. It's usually the opener. It's really it would just to get the crowd hyped and then they got hyped in time for oddly i was surprised watching the show that kenny omega and pocket doc we're second. I thought it'd be later in the card and i don't know if this is. I guess this is kind of disappointing but this was the best match on the show. Yeah i mean i gotta be honest like i. I think this was everybody's best match this was this was the the wrestler's best match. This was the announcers best match yeah <hes>. I thought the ref work in the show was shoddy. This referees best match like like the the story that so you know they came into this this pay per view and kenny arguably you you know probably read along with cody had the best story going into the pay per view with the moxley heat right marcy gets hurt. He's out so now now like they bring in. It's like completely as far as i know i mean i you know like what's the story behind it. There's no explanation nations like okay now. You're gonna fight pox and others like no heat except the national heat the <unk> brings because he's an asshole but a poppy so hardouin justin roberts during the ring introductions was like he is a bastard yeah so good and hand but from the from from the moment the kenny in packs started walking out to the ring. The announcer started telling the story yep that this match was all about can he's been focused on moxley. Has he focused enough on has he focused enough on pack is you're going to be ready for pack. Is he. Taken pack series enough. You know you has oh. They said this. This gave me chills when they said because i love it because this is where i think they're going with kenny because he's one and two now they said heck. Did he leave his heart. In tokyo urged the leave is hard in japan and i love that and i think that's gonna be where they go with kenny like i think they're going to break him down and he's gonna have to rebuild himself and i love that story because this was great because it it was you know twenty twenty five ish minutes of great work with a finish that literally shocked everybody like you could feel the crowd was stunned by the finnish cause to everybody's knowledge pock was this was a one off so like like no way kennedy doesn't go over so you're not expecting that finish to come out and the announcers like you said did a great job putting over the shocking this this of the finnish which is which is you know. I think this is a four star match for sure. Maybe even maybe bump into like four and a quarter. It was it. Was that a good. Unfortunately you know this was like fortunately it was great for them but unfortunately unfortunately it was the best match on the show which means i think the two matches was really expecting a lot from underperformed a little bit so before we get into that. Let me another thing. I really liked about this. Show is is is the announcers they spoke a lot about people's win loss record yeah. That's been appointed emphasis for sure. I love it like oh. Oh he now. He's wanting to know oh can he's wanted to cody's you know to one or whatever they said. I mean they kept <hes> they they. They kept emphasizing. The win loss record. I've never watched wrestling show in her to win. Loss record. I mean it was it was very different front to hear and at first i was like that sounds kind of weird. It was like like you know what a dog. Here's like a weird sound and they like turn their head a little bit kinda and then a realize what they were doing and i thought it was so cool they even have like next to their names. When they came out there records yeah no. They said they were gonna make it a point of emphasis thus far the lion yeah but i think that's where they're going with kenny. Do you agree with that. He left his heart in japan and it could be that it could be really cool angle so yeah because they don't know if it was last week. Whenever i said the only or maybe it was i forget what it was but i said the like what what are. They gonna do with kenny like what. What are they gonna do with them because he's not in the title hunt. He's not you know but yeah i mean. If that's the story they go with that could be in one of the most interesting stories on a week to week basis that for sure for sure so i suppose next so after that that was the fucking bat shit crazy cracker barrel clash joey jamila darby allen jimmy havoc which was what you'd expect dude. Jimmy havoc came out staple gutting himself at one point. A mouthful of tax was super uncomfortable to watch <hes> giannella analogy. His general had the holy shit mounted with the flipping over the top rope power bomb through the table on the floor which was just he's he's gonna die like he's going to die in the ring xs little yeah you know it wasn't i don't think it was the greatest a generic type match jealous had i kind of wanted him to go over to be honest i am i thought i hated the governor is my least favorite trek. I called it underperformed. Yeah i kind of did a lot of the spots to me looked so fake enforced like a like yeah the spot with the tax he was just sitting there in the chair and they weren't even selling like holding him to the chair or anything he was kind of just sitting there and then like the tape it fell off and he continued to just sit there with the taxes mouth and it was like and they had these ideas and they were going to do them regardless of how badly they got botched and and stuff and then like you know those cracker barrels jimmy havoc sold like lugging one down the ramp and then derby island like picks on up with one hand and puts it behind his back so it was like is that they weighed like you know the weight of a nerf football so so i don't know like those kinds of things took me out of it a little bit <hes> i can agree with that but that's not to say like you know that coffin drop is still disturbing to watch the the spot. You just talked about which annella getting the was it. Even a power bomb was more like a fucking like a piledriver tombstone onto the table outside the rains nuts <hes> oh off the skateboard with the spikes on the back of genetic like that was cool. <hes> uh-huh. That's the positive to me. Is that if anything like it was the match underperformed a little bit but jealous for me clearly the star which i'm happy about <music> out to me. You've got cody kenny moxley botch erico box. I think jin genera is like right under under them. Yeah he's right under them with like m j athen really a probably shawn spears this point are than you're a translation of the world actually go ahead so what was next speaking of trente next rose. The dark order versus the best friends which actually i thought was you know i wanted it to be a little better the crowd the crowd doesn't really they're. They're pushing this dark. Order group pretty hard <hes> but the crowd doesn't know who they are is it used to them so like the kinda dead for a lot of their stuff off. I think beretta m taylor are great but to me. It was just okay. I liked it and had <hes> some steaks to it. Because the the dark order now get the first round by in the tag tournament <hes> but <hes> the best thing about this match was orange cassidy yeah that was going to say the thing that ended up pop on the ground most was orange cassidy at the end i don't i don't know if i like this gimmick or not a real with the topi- see what is it the what have you say the i dunno toby suda with his hands in his pockets like this is great. I i like it. I'm <unk>. I'm i'm i'm i'm gonna make the statement. I like it <hes> so yeah that pop the crowd and that was funny <hes> so i mean a measure of <unk> that little part of the end was booked well that was after that was my personal piss break at car. Ashida versus reijo winner faces. Neither rose on the debut of a._w._s. t._n._t. For the women's title it was fine <hes> i guess honestly it was a little better than i thought it was going to be. <hes> rio went over which is what we expected but again like no story line as far as i know the two people didn't really have that much heat. It's do people. I barely heard house. I just i just didn't care yeah. <hes> <hes> i like rio. <hes> had no idea who the other one was still. Don't <hes> don't want to <hes> canoe. Rio was gonna win so it was kind of hard for me to like be vested in the match not because i just because i knew who was gonna win. There was never a point where i was like really who's not going over so next was the match i was looking forward. Due to the most which was cody versus shawn spears <hes> one of the things i want to say before we start talking about the match. Is that what i do really like is the thing he has gone with j. f. right now. Where i'm jay have is like thanks cody's is best friend. Cody picked m._j. After support him this tomy all feels like the very early stages of a very long term storyline which i think is going to be really cool. I think it'll be eventually. We know the they'll have their feud in. That'll be like a star making feud m._j. F i think maybe not but that's just what i think no i i think i think you're absolutely right yeah and i think when he chose m j f over dp that was clear yeah yeah i like. I guess all i want really say is that. I don't think they're doing anything just like by pure coincidence seven. I think this is planned out shit. I hope you're right which makes me happy. Also wanna give special shoutout to ill happy the <hes> the star trek year that cody brandy very often so great. I loved it. I he's such a dork. I love it <hes> <hes> that being said the match in i wanted i kept waiting for it to kick into like the second year <hes> so it's weird right because it started at one hundred miles an hour right which was cool. I was like all this is going to be so great and then kinda me yeah. <hes> i mean the biggest pop of the whole match was big fat anderson yeah what happened the aren't in aren't anderson eight arn anderson. I mean the crowd popped huge for it. So i mean that's cool. I mean it was kind of cool. Seeing arne andersson give the spine buster though yeah and stare at tali which was cool like they used to be attacked him obviously <hes> <hes> so that was cool and it keeps the story line going. I guess you know i doubt they brought tallying aren't in for just the one the one thing so it was fine. I actually you know as much as i love cody rhodes he's. He's if not my favorite active wrestler my second favorite i really i would put. I would've put spears over on this one. I think he needed it more so i don. I don't think it was the right booking decision. <hes> i was. I was also surprised <hes> i mean code. He doesn't need any juice. You know what i mean it was it felt like they were building this whole story and feud if you can call it a feud s- only lasted two months three months it felt like cody was finally taking matters into his own hands of what he was trying to do the whole time he was at w._w._e. Which was get <hes> shawn spears booked. Get shawn spears. <hes> you know get shawn spears some some some fame name some love some love brother but in i mean i thought the whole time that spears was going over. I will do and it just seems like well so cody like what are you. What have you done. That's any different than with w._w._e. Did okay so next was the ladder adder match between the box and the luce brothers <hes>. I'm not gonna say a whole lot like this fucking nuts it was it was fucking insane it. It was just i mean i'm. I don't know if i want to say it was more insane than the last one same level of insane. I guess i mean what matt and nick jackson are able to subdue while in the air is amazing <hes> i will say this is the one i'm going to remember the most because not only was it an insane probably four star match but then you have the l._a._x. Run in the end which was if there was anything that was notable really about the show and surprise it was that you did was there any talk about that because they're like impact mainstays. Yeah they have been forever. I hadn't in her. I knew that they weren't with impact anymore. By i mean i hadn't heard surprised. Does that mean conan's coming. I eat one can only hope to you. You can never really get enough. Kate on the favorite wrestler jared kushner show jared. I don't think i ever play the game of w._c._w. <hes> <hes> n w revenge jared wasn't conan. He loved the somersault clothesline gimmick yeah. That's all he did but <hes> yeah no. I <hes> i mean listen. I'm not going to sit and pretend like i've. I've seen a bunch of l._a._x. Matches because i haven't but i know that i know that people regard them as one of the best tag teams in the world and i also know i also read online that impact wrestling copyright has the l._a._x. Name copyrighted so they have to be called. Something different yeah well. <hes> excalibur albert called them <hes>. He called them. Los los porto ricardo's think so. Maybe that's what they're going to go by. <hes> ah i liked it. They played up the the puerto rican. Give me the flag and everything shows you how much i know i thought because they were with conan. They're all mexican but i guess it's not like i want the heat for that all right like don't ask me like i'm just saying tonight because they were with conan and like i said i never really like if i bumped into them in the supermarket. I wouldn't know who they were until now so i just knew kony was with resources to assume they were all. They were all mexican. <hes> yeah so i i didn't know i kept wondering why they didn't refer to them as l._a._x. Yeah that makes total sense but yeah but that's also interesting because that was like one of calluses big things when he took over impact was it's like we're gonna let the wrestler's own their own gimmicks interesting very w._b. Of them so i think the right team like you know. They were wrestling for the <hes> for the triple a world tag team championships. That's not those belts are not going to be featured on t._n._t. Out here get the bucks. We're gonna lose yeah but man what a match show is. There was some awesome spots <hes> supreme innovative things off of the ladders <music> but yeah it was cool. I enjoyed it if everybody's paying attention bilger said something positive about the bucks yeah it wasn't i mean i don't know if i goes as far as called positive i would say it was negative so the final match was the inaugural awa world championship match adam hangman page versus chris jericho chris jericho is my favorite wrestler ever and i think the result of this was the absolute right call but i think this was a little long and a little slow and i wanted to be a little better than it was. It was good but it wasn't the epic match. I was hoping the first ever awa world all title match was going to be. I mean they went like thirty one minutes which is like too long. I think well first of all i would say. It's insane that a guy jericho's age go thirty one one minutes he shouldn't he i mean he he shouldn't have. They should let book that. I mean when i watched it. The first time my initial thought i was thirteen clause deep but my initial thought was wow like wouldn't intense it's like what did you think are evenly pace slow grinding intense match when i watched it back the second time i was like wow what a slow slow match was a little like i said i think it would've felt so much more intense and fast if that had been booked at like twenty twenty minutes rather than they shave ten minutes off it. I feel like it would have been way better. Sometimes you don't sometimes like getting too much. Time has a thing but what <hes> you know i you know i don't want to pat myself on the back but i called this four months ago you did you know i think jericho going to tv with the bell is the smartest thing they could've done agree and it looks like whoever's chasing him. I it's not it's not going to be a rematch because it looks like hangman has gone right into storyline with pock so it'll be interesting interesting to see who comes after jericho i which which baby face is gonna be stepping up i don't i uh i'm a little. I don't know who's going to be you know because it looks like hangman potter. Gonna go at it. They've already confirmed that omega moxley are gonna fight right at full gear which is like the worst pay per view name ever in october or i think auto brands in baltimore <hes> so we know omega moscow. You're gonna have their mash there. Were supposed to have this weekend at that. Event looks like pacman. I'm not sure who steps defied steps defy jericho. Maybe it's cody. That'd be kind of dope while whoever it is the it will be defended for the first time in philadelphia elliott core center where i will be in a constant state of ejaculation. Yes yes so you know if we're doing a scale of one to ten for me. This gets like a seven <hes> which is surprising <unk> not counting fighter festive five for the fall and you know all of the u._w. U._w. events so far have been a nine or nine and a half so it was a step down <hes> still a super solid show w._w. Put on a show. That's good. I'd be like raving thing about how good the show was so yeah. I mean i give it a so. I'm like at a seven and a half just 'cause. I give it like a solid see. Yeah we're right. We're at the same mm-hmm ballpark yeah seville. I really owe you a pretty big. Danke actually affiliate. That's true all the time but what specifically this time. I really really digging your pod coin app. Recommendation pod point is insane. I love it. It's the only way listen to my podcast. Now you can actually fire upon coining get paid listening to podcasts and all you need to do is go to the iphone or android app store. Download the app in if you put in this special code culture c. u. L. t. u. r. e. you're going to get three hundred points. It's right off the bat to your first cup of coffee at starbucks to your first amazon gift card to your first charity. Listen to podcasts earn money while you're doing it download the podcast pod coin podkoren pot point. I swear to change the way you listen to podcasts the other big show this weekend where we won't go into detail because you haven't watched it yet because you're lazy terrible person <hes> but amazingly enough. There were two shows this weekend and i gave u._k. Takeover cardiff nine really i dude. I cannot tell i cannot tell you there were six matches. All of them were solid including the special surprise zara match which was fantastic but he fight. I forget the guy's name dragon. Oh yeah yeah everyday cardiff crowd went bananas beserk for sorrow but the a tag match and the main event for the main event was the best wrestling match of two thousand nineteen. I i've actually i've watched watched it twice now and i feel comfortable saying and that's what walter in bay walter tyler bait. It was fucking unbelievable which i mean the fact that that is the best match of the year for for me so far is just bizarre. Walters fucking awesome dude at bait is such a good like never give up white meat baby face like he's. He's like young young daniel bryan almost <hes> but it was really you know i don't want. I won't go through match by match. Maybe we can talk about it. You know if you watch it before record next time but <hes> yeah they're. They're the next tag team. Championships were defended and there's a team mark andrews and flash morgan webster. They were fucking amazing in this match. It was awesome so those two matches were both over four stars from four and a half for the tag team match five five star for the walter bait. Was it better than walter and done. Yes wow i think so. That's saying something and then <hes>. I don't know am i allowed to give spoilers so turney. Tony storm lost the a women's title. What am i hearing hearing yes. I don't know me. Is there something going on in the background not in my background. That's weird. I'd never mind. I'm sorry go ahead. I'll just edit passed it. <hes> so the the shocking looking was the women's the women's title match tony storm lost her belt after a relatively short reign i that shocks me yeah. She lost to kaley something. Katie gray record at her. All i i can think of is that maybe tony storm is actually popular enough that they might bring her over to the to the <hes> the united states right the united states her america anyway i would you know for both frank my lazy co host and the rest of the wrestling audience. I would make it a point to go out of your way to if you're not going to watch the whole show fine watch the tag match and main event they were. I was blown away. Speaking of your lazy co host laying here. Picking belly button went out of my navel. That's all you gotta turn on so many people with that imagery yep so <hes> did how was the ripley match so so there wasn't one. I thought she was wrestling. Somebody yeah. No that didn't happen. I was expecting i i kept waiting for her on the show and it never came to his wrestling like nevin or niven evinrude mcniven nope nope sweet yeah it was storming katie ray. There was the last man standing match between days mastiff and joe coffee which was pretty good not great pretty good <hes> the tag match and then i know dr who i really like <hes> travis banks and then says are dragging off yeah. I'm gonna watch it this weekend for sure. I figured that walter mattress going to be good because i don't think guys put on a bad match since he's been there because the walter don match at the the night before main fucking sick yeah but the match match of the year candidate for me i love that i think that's i wonder when they bring in x t to wednesday's do they <music> mix in the u._k. Stuff i feel they should because they have two hours of film son here because i'm kind of weird having like annex t on <hes> u._s._a. In the case on the network yet the only the only thing though is that i remember i remember reading that when walter signed his deal his in his like gimmick was. I don't want to rest on the united states. I want to stay in europe but i get that but i feel like you put enough money under somebody's nose and maybe you know maybe money taught. Everybody's got up price <music>. I'm not gonna try to do the <unk> manly teddy be aussie yeah man so good we can wrestling. I'll catch up on next to u._k. And <hes> anything else on it or what nope anything on king of the ring you wanna now in other than i'm completely lately wrong all the time i mean we both are ali. Lost on friday lost corbin one so i mean i don't know how did corbin win. Yeah corbin one and joe and record. It went to a draw so it's a triple threat next week. Yeah that's right for the triple and then on the on the smackdown side. It's <hes> elias and who the fuck is the other one. I can't remember i think it's going to be richocheting now no way because because i think ricki i really think british going from raw from the from the one side of the bracket yeah because now the semi final on the other side china's is elias fucking gable ricocheted doesn't need this like still joe. Joe needs this. It'll be joe but i feel like it's not going to be. He'll he'll final so you really think chad gables going to be in the final well when you put put it that way. I don't think it'd be elias. He magin was elias in ban. Corbin <unk> kill themselves. I would love king elias. He imagined that's the match go with that would be such a troll move. Yeah i mean that's i'm sure mcmahon does office laughing about it yep and the bill so a couple of weeks ago i freaked out because i didn't think we had enough to talk about on the show and i asked star users for questions <music> in their hanoch frankie yeah i panicked in and then we had too much to talk about for the next three weeks so i'm finally going to get to these questions that are users asa so yeah yeah use your questions so the first one comes from the discount podcast in there you can follow all them on twitter at discount podcast the billy no you're gonna have strong feelings about this question so you have to say what what were your thoughts. On the last power rangers movie should they can you with it or rebooted again the first of all. I don't have strong feelings <hes> i saw it. You're ahead of me. I saw it on an airplane name. <hes> i didn't love it <hes> but it was sort of treated you know a little more like a little more non kitschy which i thought was the right direction but i don't you know if i were that i don't feel like it made enough of of an impact or quite frankly enough money to warrant a sequel with the same people so i probably just the <unk> but so now i think so i think really it's it's sneaky option three which is nothing right so frankie's question was going to be does the world need a power rangers movie franchise. I feel like no you know what if if we're going to sink our money into something like that. Why don't we do a real voltron movie that got it in <hes>. The dump king chimed in on this one at dump king to he said about ten thousand unsold. D._v._d.'s ended up in my dump kingdom so i think power rangers should hang it up. I mean i i can't argue with that so this is <hes> okay so this one is from the major dude podcast major dude not major dad major major duda not major dad who's married to delta burke at the major dudes. What do you like better big boobs or a big ass okay. That's a great question because i've noticed this about myself about how much i've changed over the years. Have you had asked me that. Are you taking this very serious. If you had asked me this because i've actually had this conversation relatively recently with my brother if you had asked me this question when we were living living together in college in nineteen ninety eight. It's one hundred percent boobs. 'cause i'm young. I just want hsin movie. I just we wanna see bubis. They're fun but as i've gotten older much much more of an ass man now i would take sort of regular size bubis at a nice apple bottom first your thoughts. Can you hear bill. Can you hear me now. You can't hear it's it's like okay all right <hes> <hes> i'm kind of you know kind of been the same thing so it depends when you say a big ass like it depends like <hes>. I like a big ass if it's a big ass that does that's a big ass from like doing a lot of squats yes. That's like a dump truck. I mean like yeah. I don't like mudflow right. You got a big ass because was like you don't fucking do anything <hes> i mean i'm still a bubis guy. I love love the bubis but <hes> yeah i've come around on the big ass but i like it. It's got to be like a athletic. I do a lot of squats and dead lifting apps and really on the bubis like back in the day. It was like there are big sloppy that was fine now much more much more into smaller perky her okay bill next question no segue just go to the next question. You know what i had little p._s. On the internet i think i'm above both boobs n._s. I would rate legs now in my in my older age. Just put that out there really yeah. I think so i wasn't part of that wasn't part of the coin i know but neither was neither was don't make a power rangers movie but it was okay then the soot long pony podcast at who got the foot long was that was best scenes leans in a bad comic book movie. Wow that's such a great question. It is a good question from the foot long pony <unk> so you had a chance to think about this ahead of time. Is there anything spring to your mind while i try to go through my rolodex. I like the scene in a dark knight rises. Batman pretty much tells gordon that he's bruce weighed. It gives me chills and makes me cry a little bit every time yeah. That's really good. That's really good in the same in the same movie. When <hes> <hes> joseph gordon levitt goes to pick up the package at the end and the lady who gives it to them says says like says you should go buy real name robyn nice little <unk> even though makes no sense it gives me chills also will phillies. I'm trying to think of something in a really bad movie. <hes> the one that jumps to my mind is i really like the initial meeting on the playground the ground between matt murdock and electra in the life and the ben affleck jennifer garner part of that movie i think and if that happens to be on t._v. and that part hasn't happened yet. I'll watch it too that part. Okay also there are couple. Scenes in there are a couple of scenes involving jim carrey as the ridler in batman man forever that i don't hate second part of the question worst scenes in good comic book so the the easy answer. Here is the woman power moment here again which makes me sick. I mean again. I don't want to sound like a oh man woman hater and i'm all for me two times up all but that was yeah we talked about how much you love boobs and asks in line was that was that moment is so forced which drives me crazy i can. I be honest like i think that's the perfect answer yeah. I'm trying to think of because that's like the best comic book movie right up might be d._r._c. Rim right right up there for sure. We talked about this a while back when we had john beaver on both spiderman spiderman two are good really good movies that initial sammer anyone's but the you mess with new york you must one of us you mess with all of us is terrible yet and also the scene when they're passing by jesus on the subway. Drives is me crazy too so both of those stick out also and then going back to part one. I think there are there are a number of really good scenes in suicide squad involving harley quinn and that's a terrible movie. No good scenes involving jared jerod later jerry leader ruins everything the you know he's going to do next frank more beats. Oh see more bs or bs the living empire. It's like is there. Is there a combination. You hate more of anything on this planet. No i mean they can have you eight eight more. They can have jared lido play like woolery. Not just give up comic book movies altogether. What does that even mean the living vampire and now why don't understand like this is where poor tom holland is going to be trapped for the rest of his life but i mean that's a whole other rattle so this this questions from lewis ream ream. I believe that's how you say it at louis underscore ream on twitter and he asks he's got some word play here. I love puns and wordplay bill. Why did that snide bastards. Zac seated there. He'll have to kill superman's remands pow jimmy olsen in batman versus superman yawn of injustice well if there's a lot of there's a lot of acidity in this in this tweet lot of a lot of clever plays on words. That was fun the. I don't know the answer do no. I don't think there isn't it yeah. I think this i think lewis just wanted to. I think he really really just wanted to say you on an injustice. Yeah i in snide. Ask snide bastard zak yeah all right everybody well. It looks like bill and i are having some technical difficulties here. We use <music> send castor to do this since bills down in the carolinas and i'm up here in lancaster so being website is is not being friendly tonight and so i got to say thanks for listening and check us out on twitter at be the f. pop culture and we will talk to y'all next week. He went <music> to you by the odd hans squad and.

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Chris Jericho EXCLUSIVE

Five Rounds with Brett Okamoto

54:59 min | 1 year ago

Chris Jericho EXCLUSIVE

"Today's episode of Area Hawaii's. Ma Show contains explicit language that may not be suitable for all audiences. Listener discretion is advised. They took it back in your life on this Thursday October third two thousand and one thousand nine hundred ninety one marijuana. How about this especial Thursday edition of the program. We missed Monday of course because of Russia the Jewish New Year but we had a show yesterday. I told you we're doing this whole new thing here and how about this. This is so exciting for me. Wow What an honored is. I'm going to get right to it. I'm being joined in our studio face to face in this broom closet. They have us in Peon. It's the big time I won't show you a picture of it. It's not quite the big time but this is big time. Chris Jericho's here the man himself Michelle Peo- champion. Let me ask you this if the Jewish new year. I don't Canadians have their own new year to I would say because maybe Judaism's a religion and Canadian so this is a way of life yes every two years when your dad's right fellow Canadian is awesome person face to face what an honor I've never met you name so many times and good things great well mostly mostly good but the bad things would probably a a bad lies filthy lies but I've heard good reputation and I know you. We have mutual friends. That's right so you pretty close to see 'em punk. That's right yeah yeah yeah. This is great great to finally get chance to be in talks with an what am I see how good you really okay. We're about to find out and what a huge coup. This is for us to have you less than twenty four hours yeah from the debut the W on TNT debut book before it gets all of that. I just have to share this so I grew up a huge paroling fan and Canadian from Israel from Montreal my claim to fame by the way Montreal screwed up. I was in attendance kidding. I was there when Brett stuff Kevin. Owens there to maybe or he's at Brown speaking. We have a few I don't enough you notice. We'll get to that later so you were there. I was there. That's my claim to fame but I just grew up loving pro wrestling and everything about it and two thousand one. I'm at Syracuse University the studying to become a broadcaster broadcast journalism and I was taking a course called persuasive speech I think it was called and for our final project project we had to put on a speech and explained people or try to persuade them to do something and my topic was why I use the kids in this class who know nothing about pressing need to watch. WWF VENGEANCE two thousand one and why Chris Jericho is going to be the undisputed the four-way tournament. That was my speech on Nice. I tried to convince these kids not what I'm talking about. I picked that papers to grade. I did get a good place and you prove me to be smart because you ended up winning Z. Because I had heard that there's this kid much less right so I can't let them down. GotTa do it for the kids. That's right. I appreciate that and you were the Darkhorse so I was kind of going out on a limb and then my other Chris Jericho story as I'm playing Chris Farley Paul McCartney. I took my future wife to one of your first. I Five Z concerts in Montreal. Yes in the wintertime. It was in the wintertime thousand tour so I was like I gotTA. I gotTA support you so much real quite a few attempts at Corona theatre. Yes please please since then. That's what so I'm an. Og Fan thank you very much. even though I focus on mixed martial arts as as a lot of similarities which China similarities and we will get to that but first. Let's talk about last night. If you were to grade last night oh man. I like you said this is an exclusive yes Zarem but the woman today this this is the first interview of done since then I mean I I'm obviously biased and I didn't see the whole show you can't when you're performing but what I did busy and for my stuff selfishly. I give it an a plus okay. crowd was off the charts amazing and that always makes such a difference. You can have a great show or a great performance if the crowd isn't over the top hot. It hurts it. If you have a great crowd and in a subpar performance does matter because to me all that matters is what the crowd is reacting to that was off the charts. The look was great. The fact is fourteen thousand one hundred twenty nine people. Whatever what's what's the reaction the performances everything that I saw was amazing but all I can judges my stuff and get a chance once again the reason why I went to aws the first place was to get a chance to make a difference. I could go back to the Delta V. I fit right in like I always have. I'd be slotted where I am. Whatever sometimes in the main event sometimes your first match whatever it is a w the focus is on me to bring people to the show. I feel like I'm a bridge. People see Chris Jericho's on aws is on there. We don't know the bucks czar Kenya Mega or we might have seen cody rose. That was a long time ago Jericho hot. We like him. We know who he is. Let's watch this show and then they see all these other great performers performers and they get involved and that's what I think was the real success of last night is a lot of people gave a w chance of who may be aren't watching TV or watching watching any wrestling anymore and we know this from the analytics analytics that we've done so I think we've created our own fan base and I think there's a lot of buzz about our company is made eight pro wrestling hot and dare. I say cool yeah again just because of our existence and to kind of prove that the shuttle out of people up who were were. I didn't really know what a w was because of all the busby created without having really one minute of TV time all that's gone now so it was a really cool moment. I don't think it could would've gone better. you can pick it from an overall umbrella review even an A-PLUS. Do you know what the ratings were yet. We don't we were just talking about that earlier. I'm kind of getting some some tendrils of information here and there and I think that it's going to be probably between one point five one point seven million from when I heard it could be less could be good if I told you going in that you were we I was talking with with Nick Jackson yesterday. We're hoping to like we do a million okay. I know annex t the first week if you're going by judging with the with the Alternative Company did one point to the first week okay so if we're doing one point five one point seven. That's more than they did which tells me there's a bigger fan base for a w than there is for an extension of course there should be because we have actual mainstream names. They don't it's just the way it is so I was all the promotion we got being back on TNT. I figured we would do a million anything above that. I thought it'd be gravy to start creeping reaping towards the two if we do one five seven whenever that's pretty strong to me especially when you figure that raw the industry leader is doing what you probably know better than me to three to four you're right. You're getting within a million of the biggest wrestling show of all time that tells you that's a great start in a great watermark of how much of a Buzzer is about our company that they went head to head with you they do that. They had a Ma Vince McMahon. It's the vs expected this. I told them from the start and this is not even begun yet. There's going to be so many other tricks and tricks and traps coming up is what he does he. He thrives on the competition of it. I don't care it doesn't matter I'm not in in competition with an X T. I'm a if you want to competition. I'm in competition with. WB The premium brand and I think it was smart to put up against us because it makes us look like we're there. Were vying for position with them. This is not a disrespect but is the truth. It's the minor leagues. It is. People want out of there to go to you can put on like. I said you can put the Super Bowl on you can put the reunion of the Beatles. You could raise Jesus coming down from the heavens. I don't care we are worried about our show worried about our performance and worried about making the best possible program we can make whatever is on against this. It's irrelevant it doesn't matter her because I was there in WCW when they were more concerned with getting their pyro on two minutes before Wbz did on a Monday night then their own product the power of people cheering up and down 'cause they're pyro went off two minutes before Ross did and meanwhile the writing the show as it goes. It's don't don't worry about what the other person is doing the other companies doing. We have to worry about ourselves making sure we have. The best stories in the best matches the characters in the best show that we can. That's how we're going to rise above and become a true hit and be here for five ten fifteen twenty thirty years. What was the VIBE like backstage stage. You know yesterday around this time in the hours leading up to it in the our leading up to in the minutes leading up to what was that like. You're about to launch something in you've said before. I've heard you say this like. I've done it all in this business. I've never actually launched something quite like this well. What was that like launching something but not just me like once again. We're launching Greek sheriff but I I've done it. All I've had matches is that were cut down to twenty seconds. I've had matches that were added. Fifteen minutes in the middle of the ring live TV's different animal. It's great to be able to put the match where you can go thirty minutes three five minutes. I did it every night when I was in Japan the first match ever had in WWe against Jerry Lynn the gave me seven minutes. I'm like what am I supposed to do. In seven in a minute I don't even get in the ring and seven minutes. I couldn't wrap my head around it and this guy's on our on our roster that are some of the biggest names in the world that have never wrestled on live. TV Kenya Megan numerous alive TV. I'm not sure the bucks ever have they might have a little bit impact when the impact was live but it's a different animal whatsoever so we have a whole roster of guys is that have never experienced this and the top top top have Jericho Moxley Cody Dustin Rhodes Jake Hager Dean Milenko. He's not wrestling but he producing knowing what it's like to be in that live TV element so the only thing I was worried about his will be able to adapt understanding when you have thirty seconds to break. You can't just go. I gotta get this high spotted. You got thirty seconds to break cut everything and get to the point and for the most part I think pretty much all across across the board. Everybody did that so I was pretty proud of our roster. When you have a lot of people who are very green to the live television system they might not be green in the rain thing but it really does you have to reconfigure your thinking just like I had to after being in the business for six years and being main event guy around the world the first match ever and eh. I didn't know what the Hell I was doing. I idea because I didn't know how to do is a tidy. Tell a story in seven minutes. There's an art form to it and you have to learn. It and I think that was my biggest issue. She was last night but everybody really did a great job and everyone was very excited. The crowd was so hot those investment the crowd made that Rio nylon rose match. They'd never heard of any of those to. Maybe you know maybe some have but for the mainstream nobody had ever heard right. I hadn't right. They went out. There and had people going going nuts for the basic story big versus small. That's the basic story. The little Japanese girl looks like a princess and the big monster that looks like an Amazon Warrior I mean and it's as easy as it gets understand and people understood it when they were going crazy. If that match like you said you know we got something here. What is Tom Kahn like the son of the Jacksonville the Jaguars owner he's twenty Tom. I was thinking of Tony as a young kid right. I mean I feel as a kid. He's in his thirty six. Okay is it. We're actually the same age yeah so. What does he like because I've heard people call like mark. He's just a fan. That's that's not that's not fair. it doesn't seem fair. A mark is such a derogatory story term two thousand nineteen ever people into Samsar Emma mark or marking out and say that don't say that you're not a mark. Your your appreciative of our work your fan. You're excited to to meet me. Are you excited to be here. marcus kind of goes back to the old school carnival where he's a mark and you want to take his money. It's just a stupid mark. Tony is is is a fan but tony also I mean he created based on the analytics program in the NFL. He's in charge of it. He is I would almost go as far far as to say he's. He's a savant that idiot savant but he knows everything about wrestling to the point where I say what did I have a my match against regal wrestlemainia seventeen or whatever are wha- what show did. Ip Regal's Seattle. I really in my April Fifth Nineteen eighteen wow to nine and he really he runs the Fulham Football Club in England. He runs ends the whole analytics department and pretty much talent roster the Jacksonville Jaguars he runs a agency group with Bernie K. Hill who handle John Mayer the deadandcompany grateful dead so he's not just some idiot kid has his dad's money decided to put on a Russian company. He's a very smart accomplished. Businessman on his is own terms but he's also the strictest analyst of rusting that I've ever met which is a very big asset because he's not a pushover. This is not like this is nothing against Eric Bischoff in the nineties but always heard that he was ATM Eric. He hates that nickname but you know he was very easily swayed. Tony's not he's not type of guy that just tone it. You get killed Adam. During this is not this is my idea so and plus billionaires don't become billionaires and stabilize by throwing away money. There has to be an end game and shotguns. Shod cahnge Tony's Dad. I don't know if this is Tony's money. Shah's money both their money. I have no idea I just know that they're not in this business to throw millions of dollars away a on a whim there's a calculated business plan to this and the end game is to make money as every business owner wants to do so. It's a very interesting when I mean Tony was like this guy is like you said he is a kid is not he's also very advanced in his business thinking and in his wrestling accurate how much of an influence does TNT have because my understanding is they control production right. So are the allegations these exacts that are weighing in or are they letting you. I don't know like that's not my wheelhouse. I'm not an MVP in there for a reason listen. I don't want to have anything to do with front office stuff. I just worry about but my want to be a performer yeah but also to char- Charlie very involved in what I'm doing on the show. Oh and that's the way I like it at. This point want to be involved in anyone else's stuff. If you come and ask me will be happy to give you advice so I don't know what's going on as far as TNT's involvement. I know that we pretty much have have freedom. No one's told me anything everything that I've done so far on all the shows lot of an Improv on the spot. There is a ton of last night just going on going with the flow. No no one's ever said anything to me. Is your deal exclusive with them. Yeah I mean I can do unusual pan shows if it doesn't conflict with a W. A. Did one earlier this year you had is W. GP champions Okada I might do some more with them but it's pretty much exclusive everywhere else other than New Japan. How many years three years there's three years okay started in January. Were down to two years almost right. You feel like this has reinvigorated acrylic if I would've told you started really when you were nineteen ninety the actually yesterday it was my legit twenty ninth anniversary my very first match in wrestling that is wild crazy from Pinocchio Moose All in that Pinocchio Berta while you starting this whole new company sold out arena in Washington so if I were told you back then you'd still be doing this close to fifty. Would you believe me now was as part of the plan nine hundred ninety. I remember at broken with Lance Storm. Yup and I remember talking. I don't think I'll be wrestling past thirty now. I don't want to do that and then you don't realize that you know when you get too close to thirty like I'm just now starting to figure out what the Hell is going on yeah yeah and then you know I had ties in two thousand and five I left for a couple years very sporadically since two thousand ten my band Fauzi took off houses the priority but really invigorated me was two things one was when I came back in two thousand sixteen and met Kevin Owens and I was like we a great chemistry this guy's great we can't we can do something together and we became the Hottest Act via the greatest angle so much fun and then learning from the new generation of guys like Seth Rollins and Kevin Sammy's Zane Roman reigns all these great guys rose picking up says ro like learning from from them as much like a lot of older guys as the way. I was taught you don't do three toby's in a massive stupid but then say well. Why are they doing three toby's match for example three dives signing seth will do one another then another and then you res- This new generation into can work. I mean if you're a hockey player. You'RE GONNA try three slapshots and a a game then that was great and then I laughed to start the Fauzi tour and our record Judas took off huge but then this idea came to work with Kenny Omega Japan and we do the Tokyo Dome we sold at the Tokyo Tokyo Dome did huge business on the new Japan subscription site and when I got there I was like I can do anything. I want 'cause no restrictions. There's no visit filter not that that's a bad thing but when you work in deputy a lot of layers of government that shifts go through to get an idea pass in new. Japan there was one me maybe Kenny maybe GEICO's booker okay but do whatever you want does a couple things you can't and when I was finished that I enjoy myself so much kind of reignited the fire the artistic side of rustling so I decided decided to do a couple more matches in Japan and then I met the guys the box and cody and candy and then the Tony Kahn came up and met heard it a million times before so-and-so's starting arrested Russian company and when it came through I really think I want to do this because the artistic freedom that I have a way from Vincent system was such a new beginning see for me that it made me excited to be in wrestling and like I said that creative fulfillment that I got without any sort of hindrance just kind out of opened the doors for me over again so now being almost fifty. I've never I've never that guy's ago. I'm a I'm getting really old. I don't feel that way and I'll know the day when it's time to retire installed. I thought now a couple of years ago. Kinda thought maybe do a year to mourn though be it not anymore because there's a whole new world here and they need experience and there's only you can't can't teach experience and there's nobody in the business working at the level that I am. That's been on top for as long as a have. That's at this level. That can do this so I think I'm very valuable just from that standpoint standpoint when you save Vincent System. What do you mean by that. I mean like you know it's. It's not a bad thing I love. Vincent man gives them. Yes no hard feelings I gave him the option into not have happened and he chose not to have that conversation go. I just said listen. There's a wide told him I was going to Japan. I told him reciting is resigning for some shows in Japan face on the phone. Okay I was destroyed. Cut W I talk to on the railway. you know the the first time with. Kenny super excited. When I said is going to stay a little longer. He was a little bit more tentative. Tony Kahn thing came up. I kind of had a little bit a little bit of I told the story my podcast this. This is not a revelation. Little Talk is Jericho Louvre of run around from the power of beaten idea. Why and I was like well if they don't have the time to call me and it's been a week then and maybe I should talk more with Tony Kahn. Whose calls me every day? It's the same thing that happened one of the WCW Eric Bischoff wasn't calling me visit man was and you Kinda get the hint when the girl doesn't call you back in the other. Pretty girl starts calling you well. You know what I mean. I told Vince I got this offer. The offer got. It's it's ridiculous offer because they needed face for the company. They needed somebody to once again. There's not a lot of Chris Jericho's Patrick Gerry Cooney w Sunday made it legit share such a bunch of quote unquote. India is and he said take the deal all right a couple of days later told them took the days. You took the deal. Can you get out like no humidity soldiers and and as a result is a famous story of my dad used to play in the NHL Nineteen seventy seventy one when bobby hall left Nhl to jump to the Debbie. Ha Talk You sociation he was the biggest player in the in the League. He jumped to this new upstart organization that paid him a million dollars in nineteen seventy. One was ridiculous the next week everybody in the NHL go to raise not to jump to Wj. My Dad went from thirty five grand to one hundred grand overnight to not go to this new absurdly when Jericho sign with a w suddenly everyone the WB got major raises to not leave so if nothing else we I basically the confidence in me gave everybody a nice raise and got the boys paid so nothing else that's cool right but there's more than just that we also gave the fans alternative alternative and a lot of fans had left. The didn't like the deputy system are now watching rusty again when you were a youngster coming up and you were in w she w doing your thing. Do you remember how the older guys treated you and now that you're you know the veteran the elder statesmen remember those days when you were looking up to someone in the locker room and he he didn't maybe give you the time of day or was big time you now you don't want to do that like are you are you. I mean there was the nineties or different. No the wrestling war the last wrestling war nitro in raw was real and even within the system of Nitro. It was real so there was a lotta guys there that kind of had a shitty attitude shall we say and I remember ember that ruined those lot more substances back in those days a little bit more wild west so it wasn't as as much of a good atmosphere as it is now and I and I you know I'm. I'm a straight shooter which I think I have a great reputation for. I'm not always gonNa tell you what you WanNa hear but give you my opinion if you want it after twenty nine years of being on the job. I'll be happy to give give it to you. I'll always tell you some positives but I'm GonNa tell you some negatives as well back in those days either all negative or guys that are just whitewashing rushing you that was great really everything's great. You wouldn't challenges thing so either just lying or you didn't watch. You're saying he did so. I never wanted to be like that and they were guys. Certain guys are always very cool to me. like for example cogan always honest great to work with a great guy who gives the feedback into the stay still does well so. I was Kinda wanted to be more him and you know he has a reputation for some as being indeed with me was always very honest surprised to hear you say that from the start really from the start to this day and I always remembered that on and so if people ask me advice. I'll tell them what I really feel anything. That's those resigned very valuable to to Awa because once again if if the top guys are cody Kenny Young Bucks Hangman page they need Chris Jericho the Nina Dustin rose even even Jon Moxley Dean Ambrose to mean he he still needs a little advice to once in awhile is thirty four years old so there's only a certain handful of guys that have been working as long as I have that I still relevant still have the respect of the guys in the locker room that aren't office which puts you in a different world like give the straight story and I do and every time someone comes asked me what I thought if I've watched the match. I'll give them pros and cons. If I haven't seen off say I haven't seen it. But what did you think about it. Tell tell me what your thoughts are. you know I was I was I used to watch everything pro wrestling when I was in college younger than that of course now that I cover him a May. I don't have as much time I watched last night. I took time out not even because I knew you were coming in just because I was curious. It's back on Turner it. Just it just felt kind of cool but I'm wondering if you've I'm sure you hear this from some some people. I watched you when you were Y. Two J. I watch you and I was in college. Did you see this coming like this this renaissance for pro wrestling because I didn't like I see it now with new Japan doing what it's doing doing and you guys and w w with energy like it seems like it's cool to be a wrestling fan again. It really is did start with Japan and I'm not putting too much credit to my I own you know into my own credit box here but when I did the Tokyo Dome Show Jericho versus Omega New Japan world which their subscription service went from thirty five thousand two hundred hundred thousand because people wanted to see that match if you were like at nine one of us hardcore wrestling fan of you were a wrestling fan that paid attention to more than just. Wb You wanted hard to see that match and same with Jogi. Dome at six ticket sales went from thirty to fifty five or something like that just from that's called the money match and as a result a lot the people checked out new Japan for the first time to see Jericho versus the Sky Kenny Omega then saw the match Kennedy is amazing but also saw the young Bucks Okada and a Bucci and Qodian you know just Robinson and hangman page and nights on all these guys so new Japan became very hot. When they came to the states it was selling out then this so they were familiar with the cast of characters and then when the Tony Kahn thing came up and he w they kind of knew those characters from New Japan so just by proxy. If you WANNA have have a company that can be an alternative to W. I don't say compete because there's no competition they are. WTI But you need three things you need money. which has I think probably three or four times as much as the Mcmahon family does not that they're gonNA spend nine billion dollars but they obviously very successful business and I have a lot of contacts? Be You need talent by the luck of the draw. There was s eighty six or eight legit top guys you had that all of them came for contract at the same time. Kenny Matt Jackson Jackson Cody Hangman Page Jericho okay then you need tv because of the connections that the cons avenue and in a Chris Jericho the TNT exempts new plus the money plus the buzz suddenly were on TNT now now you have something that made us cool especially since WB like they've been around so long with their business practices. They are kind of like the snooty Guy on the block that used to be cool but it's really not that's how some people see it. They see a W. We're the fawns we're the coolest kids on the block now little bit revolutionary and people select to be involved from the start and last night was the first time in any of our lifetimes unless you're. I don't know seventy sixty where you can say. I saw the first episode of a Major League company Kazeem. You're talking. WBZ. They were the www F- in the fifties sixties WCW used to NWEA which is from the twenties. Maybe if you're the start of the east w started and Bingo halls this is legit our very first show ever as legit mainstream company was at a sold out for eighteen eight thousand seater arena. That's never happened before that means the businesses cool more importantly. Aws Cool did I see it coming no but I see the pieces that led to this this were the momentum was building at. I really do believe it started with new Japan that was taken to the next level by Gericault Versa Mega January fourth two thousand eighteen one thing that a lot aww fans talk about an ice relate to this in fact. I was an internet. Hbo Sports in Two Thousand Three and I was sitting in a room where they were screening tape and they're watching oprah wrestling footage and I said to them what is watching wise. HBO Watching footage and they were doing a story on wrestlers who were dying young. I don't know if you've ever saw this piece contained goes and interviews interviews Vincent Man. He hits the papers at hand. Roddy Piper says let's be honest and five years. I'M NOT GONNA be here and he ended up being sort of right amis kind of a morbid thing but these days I feel like it's it's not I duNno. I feel like there was a point where everyone that the wrestlers were unhealthy and I feel like it's an the these days it's been kept under control my right on this. It's one of those things like athletes in the seventies rockstars in the seventies Russia's and seventies and eighties and nineties saying rock and roll. You don't see a lot of heroin overdoses in rocket yeah you. I noticed that yeah the twenty seven club Jim Morrison shop and Kurt Cobaine. You don't get a lot of that. the ninety s was the last heroin decade you see that with. Wile and passing away in Andrew Wood and Chris Cornell guys in the thirties down aren't like that and it's like that in wrestling to people make jokes guys go with the rooms and play video games now. It's really true I mean when I first started. It was one foot in the old school new school. Guys were doing rails and drink these to tell you. Put You put your thumb in your beer bottle. I'm putting my thumb in the top of the beer bottle because if you don't turn away for second some is going to drop a Halcion and you drank drank a pass. Shave your eyebrows or worse. That was an everyday occurrence every day. It's just how it was not a healthy environment plus. Those guys wrestling used to travel. I'm probably exaggerating a little bit but they're on the road. Let's say three hundred days a year and they used to have the Star of David routing as as the caller still do Detroit then we're down to Dallas the Chicago then moved to Seattle them moreover to Atlanta. There was no rhyme or reason to the travel. The travel was hard. Lifestyle was hard. There's a lot of money the drug culture eighties eighties so there was a lot of guys that kind of did die very young because of that my generation a lot of my generation have died died because of that. I was never into drugs. I was never really into steroids. I like to drink but I'm not an alcoholic. I might drink three or four times a week but if I have to stop up from two or three weeks I can do that very lucky. Never Pill Guy a lot of my contemporaries weren't that lucky guys underneath me. saw what happened with the guys my. I generation even worse the guys at the general before me or like we don't want that to happen to US plus. There's very strict drug tests in. WB especially after Eddie Guerrero died from a large art no more steroids no cocaine. No We'd you take what was I taken for like synthroid for thyroid thing I've yet. He ended approved like everything so it's legit legit. It's legit yeah that might be Kinda. Be the better for me legit legit if I wanted to get his replacement therapy yet you know forty eight years old which you kind of have to start thinking about to there's no way you gotta go through the process okay so. I think that it's calmed down. Guys are much more concentrated on the art form of wrestling. You can see how the rest thing is evolved over the years as a result too because of this windfall of money guys guys are making more money than ever ever the making money that they should be getting paid like Majit mainstream. NFL players NHL players player whatever so I think the business always changes and now we're at a point in our guys more healthy they're more involved in the training and art form and and they're getting paid with this should be getting paid and especially in our company. We work once a week. The need for these live shows live events as w he calls them. Why do you do them. Why even bother what's the point. You don't make money on them. It just busy work for the guys and every wrestler has a bump card when you punch. Is that bump card. You get to the end your bump card. You're done. You don't get your done you finished so I think the way that the business is changing to more TV business with more money less stress and more of an athletic peaceful mindset. I think the business is the best place ever been right now. I have to ask because you said something that kind of if it piqued my interest because it's a thing in mixed martial arts as well you said of never really into steroids right. Were you ever intercept back in the day I mean I think you know you're talking with the nineties. Every everyone was doing everyone but every almost every kid who you're lifting weights. You're going to give it a try right sure to me. I did. I did have a baby one or two cycles a year. Because I was always I was always in good shape anyways and I was never going to be a muscle guy but when you figure nineteen ninety ninety ninety one ninety two it was still about the six eight giants yeah so at five foot eleven bay maybe five ten and a half I figured at least I'd look the part right right so I still train hard and those pretty easy crazy. I'm saying to Jerry Lynn last believe we used to be high fliers. Do One flip now. It's it's like learned that with a with a with an arm drag right but I mean it was yeah it was it was just it wasn't even party that he didn't ever told me. You have to take steroids. No one ever said it. I never really did but take a few here and there and but trained heart and you know I was just had good genetics for that so it wasn't hard for me to not do steroids when you weren't allowed to because I never really did much anyways dabble rain the smaller guy cruiserweight. That's why I really got behind did you right when I came to. WWe But like when I started I was a small yet but when I went to Mexico's frigging giant Japan it was two hundred and twenty pounds five foot eleven even in Mexico. There's not a lot of guys that size same thing in Japan too so but when I came and W W definitely crews away type of thing is that what just where they would dump you if they didn't really understand what you were doing. Ben was accrues. Wait for a while to the guy was probably two hundred thirty pounds and then they started realizing that it's not about your weight's about how you connect with the fans and then that whole weight thing. I just want the window as it should have you know but when I came in I remember seeing one-two-three Kesha Maltman in probably ninety three in those on my gosh. He actually one one. You'd never see a you know you can tell us pretty scrawny guys tall. He didn't have the typical look and he won because he was so damn good in the ring and that's when the whole paradigm shift happened with X. Park and then Shawn Michaels being world champion Bret Hart being a world champion than it wasn't about your size. It was about your work rate and your connection with the audience liens. When were you the happiest in your career probably right now really yeah more so than anything. UNDIS- I always I always answer that because always always because as what's. What's your favorite Arab projectors now because if I'm if I'm saying well back then then I'm not paying attention to what right now I've had a lot of happiness. When did you wasn't a happy time. It wasn't a very stressful time and I wasn't ready for it. It was placed in a position where it was kind of a failing position not in a bad way but in like it wasn't the focus of the show as undisputed. ESPN champion should be to get actually hurt you more than it helped. You didn't hurt me but it didn't help me. It was something that if I hadn't completely reinvented let you figure this is one that that championship happy chip beat the rockets the same night okay great those two thousand one yeah. I didn't win the world championship again until two thousand and eight thousand nine I think it was and thing that's a seven year yeah so a lot of people in the world title once and then they never see again and that drove let me crazy and I went through a lot of trials and tribulations so when I finally did world a win win the world title again which I believe was the fall of two thousand eight so let's say seven years later. It was a long time coming so I wasn't as good then as I was in two thousand eight a Muslims good into Nita's. I am now but the two thousand eight nine suit and tie Jericho Shawn michaels mysterious feud was a great time period. The cabins thing was awesome. I love minute. Japan experienced in two thousand eighteen. I love doing right now. There's been a lot of great levels of success. You remember when they told you you were going to win. The undisputed like it was yesterday. What can he tells the story. Well you know when people win the world title that was their families and the audience celebrations. Why didn't have anybody else because I didn't find out for sure until that afternoon while show and I found founded we're at catering this is back when Vinci's to eat with the guys in catering and he was standing like where he could totally I could hear him and who stand with undertaker and he said take her. Are you know how you know that the business going down the toilet how we're putting the title Jericho and he kind of walked away and as the Oh so yes I'm I'm winning so that's really does anyone then. Come up and tell you like form. No wow that's amazing because everyone's kind of jockeying for position. Yeah I mean rock was pretty much on his way out. Steve was still working but he didn't last much longer because he had injuries as mind was kind of crazy and Kurt thought for sure he was. GonNa win credentials and I was too smart to all of edges would stay in the back as things changed so much in the politics must be absurd yeah so much politics but also vince changes his mind share. I knew that it was going to get involved like politicking to win. Probably didn't it was the least Politika ever done for anything in my career just kind of sat in the back and when they said you're GONNA win. It was like wow really and I did so that was trade time who came up with y two J me you. Did that was all you yeah. I was in when I was when I was leaving. WCW because I believe they're pretty much think June. I knew it was gone. In August ninth was going to be my debut and I was in the post office as to send out. Just what I was just floundering. I would just add a post office box. Xavier WanNa free picture just semi self assurance that envelope said get hundred every week two hundred a week and I would sign them and my girlfriend and time is wife now we would take him to the post office mail them trying to grassroots make fans there and I was in the Post Office and I thought countdown the New Millennium's account on the millennium it was I think in time I don't know six months five days four hours three seconds two seconds one second. I said that'd be a great way for so many come into the WB and like way the crazy for me to come in the WS that's right gave up with the money man the countdown clock and everyone was really terrified of y two K yeah time nine hundred when the stroke of midnight when nine hundred thousand the world was GONNA end. All all Tronto was GONNA crash. Remember like plans wouldn't even fly and it was the y two K problem and I said well K. rives J. AM charitable why jail be my finish brilliant and so I went to Vince Account Pitch Ideas Pitch ideas idea for my finish was was why TJ and he's like no no no he goes. That's that's your finish isn't why. TJ Your White Tj as grilling as yet you're watchi- Jay and that was so it was my idea but vince put it on me as a nickname aim sews a real real genius move on his part plus in other than Vince likes to do coming into Chris Jericho was another guy that had been made in other places why TJ was his this guy right. He called me why Tj for probably five years Never Jericho Never Chris. Why did Jake because that's his creation right and that's what came from. Have you ever seen. 'em May fighter who wanNA fight using Jericho. That's absurd right. I guess I must've really works brother. Yeah yeah whenever you see those types of things. Thanks now have my finishes. Judas effect one of my finishes spitting album in the face and a lot of people like a lot of people because it's it's. It's pretty over now. It'd be like terrible can finish finish owners like Jays. How can you do let me give anybody a spinning able to your face and see if you like getting that better than you know a stone cold stunner yeah course so when you see the walls gericault using an actual anime match. That's as good for me because it shows that it actually validation and it really does work. If you crank that thing in yeah it fucking hurts. Am I right for thinking that at a time. You weren't a big guy like using like amendment now. I I've seen that you've trained with Josh Rafferty arrate who changed with Jack Swagger J. Caretaker He's the yeah so Have you come around to it. I didn't dislike it. I just I have minimal minimal time so I just never really followed it but whenever like when brock had his fights I watched okay pumpkin spice. I watched with Batista's. FIDO watched guys that I know. You're not a hater peter per se oh no. What's the hate the size of it but what I started training it a really enjoyed it just the whole aspect of May training really really appealed to me and it was it was some of the best training Josh's kind of calmed a turn down his trainings. We don't we don't train right now but for a while gave me a lot of ideas and really put me through the ringer from a physical stamp which really loves her heat between CONOR McGregor. I don't think so you guys are going back and forth on twitter over these things. It's like it makes me laugh. Whenever you hear that because I'm you know I I'll I'll volleyed. I'll I'll I'll take it back and I'm like well. He fought floyd mayweather so do match he was he was talking about the history of the champ. Champ status basically shut your mouth operated talks whatever and he he probably loves it but as a showman you can respect him right like what he's yeah he he's made so much money and dare. I say this from being a marginal fighter like when's the last fight that he won two thousand sixteen okay member. FDIC had since then not that many three I mean if you want to count the Floyd County okay fine so three okay and how much money's meaningless reflects the law allot lot. Let's get close to like five hundred million dollars and not that much. Maybe like three hundred no one fifty. UCLA's don't make that much one hundred million was for the floyd fight. Okay Yeah don't make that much. One hundred earn fifty million dollars for three five thirty lost and the mayweather one was floyd toying with them basically and the other two very quick right so what does that. Maybe twenty minutes work thirty a little more but fair point you know what I'm saying. He knew how to talk people into the building. Whether who's winning or losing and Ali was great at that too yeah even when he wasn't win Jason. The people in the bill and that's the crux of rest and cottages learning from wrestling. It doesn't matter if you win or lose. It's if people are paying money to see you fight. That's what a draw is top dryers. Weisensee and punk with a w is WANNA be. Did you guys try from what I understand. Everything personal talk with you. Don't you don't get involved in that. Because is your friends with them right. Well not at this point he. He's he's he's. He's a interesting guy. Okay friends with them but I know I know there was some some from what I understand. There was some reaching out to him yeah and it wasn't via text only like he said he said that's. ESPN recently and that's punk. He's you know he's a martyr right okay and this upset Tony. Apparently I think it could probably hurt their feelings more than anything but as as as punk that's how he is. Don't you think it'll be a big who at this point I don't know I think it would be to have him but we don't need them. I mean I mean. It's always great to have a guy like that but it's up to him. You know it's the one thing I love about aid. W is there's no assholes in the locker. Room was an asshole and Ono no no no at times but so so was I okay so Steve Austin so was rocked so is anybody that really made it yeah. You have to be a little bit astle to make it on top. you know I I don't I haven't talked to them in such a long time care so if he wanted to come in it'd be a huge buzz it'd be great but I have a feeling feeling just as I have a feeling with most of these things that if he does come back he'll go to divvy a because Vince always wants to close the circle he wants to be friends with everybody in wants to win in the end and I think punk probably feels the same way even though they lawsuit lawsuit and all this stuff you think he comes back. I mean if you made amends with Brett after what happens yeah right. Brad Goldberg Bischoff right shove was in a blood a rampage wanted Endo TV so yeah this lawsuit between Pumpkin Vince Okay and then they come back and they make some money together and everybody's is happy and Vince can think he wanted punk in the he one and everybody's happy you know so once again I'm just I'm just playing armchair quarterback. I don't know I've had no dealings as with it. Okay I just don't another some rumblings about it so now with the money that Vince has he can just throw money at anybody down come back in and he wins. He wins in the end Latin. What's in on this because I think you have to go. who's the greatest ever in your opinion. Shawn Michaels really now by far by far yeah wow why for what I like to to me. The top hop three ever are depending on what you like this in my opinion the three best either flare Brett or Sean and I find that Sean is the perfect the combination of bread and Flair Sean and the personality the arrogance show was a tremendous worker. He was a little bit of an asshole. It had to be his his creativity off. The charts is high spots. Were amazing. The way put together a match. We sold matches his look for what I liked long hair look even to this day. There's so much flamboyance to what I wear it comes directly from from Shawn Michaels in nineteen eighty eight all the way through three and then also working with him. I only work with flair a few times but he was ill even tell you didn't have a lot of confidence he was in his fifties and never got to work with. Brett and I got to work with Sean when he had his resurgence in one of the greatest angles of in WB history not just in my career and Dobie history is the two thousand eight Jericho uh-huh Michael's few that was supposed to go one month that went nine months and ended with the world title match so yeah to me. He's the best of all time then by far congratulations on everything. You've done to honor for me to talk. It's great. You're great could have talked for another hour. You would have loved to see you and Brett in an Dan icons as well as I've said this to you. I think if one had had not passed away in ninety six in about ninety nine sorry ninety nine apologies in about two thousand one or two he would have had a huge resurgence just like I did just like Sean. Did WHO's coming to the company time Jericho Edge Christian and Ben Wa Eddie Dean Stereo he would have had great matches and rediscovered his passion for wrestling too so I just wanted to say that the owns also one of the most underrated great volt. I agree couldn't agree more congratulations on the launch bay. W Two guys we'll be watching. I enjoyed last night. Hope you guys end up. Do you have the breaking news. Do you have the ratings or is it not not in yet. I don't have the last I heard was looking at one point seven one point nine that's tremendous tremendous all right well done and continued success to all of you end the talk his Jericho's the podcast aws TNT eight PM to ten PM eastern than they replay right after I heard I didn't even know that old school w style and Fauzi is the band this man does. Everything's a real renaissance man. Thank you very much for the time pleasure. Thank you all right so that was phenomenal phenomenal stuff thank you very much to Chris Jericho now for some breaking news one of the leaders some MMA stuff as well. We're being joined by our old friend. The Pride of Liverpool himself solve the Liverpudlian the scouser the Cage Warriors Legend Patti pinned bullet is joining us in the in the final minutes of this program to break some news for us first off. It's been a while Patty. Are you there yeah. Oh Yeah I'm good wild. Yes it has been a while all right well. We just found found out that you're coming back the London show in November but I understand you actually have your opponent now right yeah twenty seven in London who you be fighting. I will be fighting. Donovan Desmond and this will be at one fifty five cracked yeah one fifty five. I am I was scheduled to fight on last year in December on a said I said when I answer pull out there if he wants to if he wants to fight reminded me with me and mice Mason for me. I was like come on. Let me say it'd be because a lot of times now the number contender so I combined take Donovan ultimate. I'll be taken up. This is going to be your first. you're. I M Mayfair. The actual first pro-am May fight untapped Metro Stevie Ray since September of two thousand eighteen so it will be well over a year fourteen months to be exact little over fourteen months since it's your last fight for those that don't know why have you been out for so long. They myself in me and me. It was the fifth time on a fourth. I'm I'm not GonNa Fight till the twenty second and all that so yeah it's my fifteen months and I'd say Judy humans before the last fight on just maybe ten times Andrei spotify and got sold to anyway and almost gonNA fight gone after the Lakers Game Donovan Assemble got a thought it spoke spoke to me coaches and we finally and stuff and everyone said it's about ideas that they would be on the Leila's and said do an April saw lots of up this like lost. I'm a full awards. The montage said either com another full another throw points with the told me on offense and then it was you feel like there's a lot of pressure on you now. How'd you feel people have forgotten who patty Pimlott is and now you have to almost remind them. You have to go on a run here to remind people that you are worthy of all that hype not that long ago yeah. I thought that a few a few weeks ago or a few months ago light book soon as soon as a cutting out those people queuing up the fight and you know what I mean everyone wants you. I love so I don't know what he's got up. Your nose either for boy is do you feel like you need to prove to yourself that. You can get back to where you once word. Do you feel that part. Are you putting that pressure on yourself of course in that situation ended up on your cell phone. You know because I know. Are you doing anything differently to switch things up because it's it's. It's been whilst you had your last Victor. Are you changing anything. Are you changing the way you train who you're training with anything different about this preparation as opposed to the ones in the past well before my in LAS vice another really obviously at the Honda installs up with the stuff. I was like an uncle wrestler than a little bit Jujitsu. Biba was mainly in Kabale Wait Sane and since I've got a new and they sending edition co-chair performance and he's so game and the conditions another level of continue mistake them with him. We've we've often coached Jewish on the meat that's coach in the gym and Assistant Coach Agenda Jim Ellis as well being doing all stay still put them on them. Allyson follow as well so it's not like I haven't been doing them about some still be insane and the hold on gotten bet that up you know we've talked about this a little bit in the past. you know the critics out there because you know they they love to say you'll never amount you're never was. I think that it becomes louder. When you go in a streak of of not winning do listen to that now. Ju Ju Ju try to block it out. How are you dealing with those critics. These days feel to the fire. Don't do the think about the same people who sell this sending the mossbacher typing it onto that on the phone I mean so if I just got to say yeah unseen mom and baby onto it that just wants to go fishing East Asia. Do you still love it. Do you love the grind. Did you love training. Do you love preparing for a fight yeah the on those because they want to come to you. If I say you reach that point now known open Nichols's defense aside come right okay but that is eventually going to come and that is a good sign when it does come can actually reach out with them all right so the return is November twenty second London Indigo Indigo at Cage Warriors won eleven the return the highly anticipated return of Patty Patty pinball going up against Donald desma. WHO's on a bit of run these days they call Vegas. He's won his last two fights in a row looking good as of late fighting out of Belgium this fight that was supposed to happen last year here and now they're gonNa make it happen for real later on this year in November in London Patty. I appreciate you doing this. Thank you very much. Welcome back my friend and it's great to talk to you again. Dan Don't worry about it. Pledge it always much respect my man. There is Patty Pimlott joining us on the back end of today's special edition of the Hell WanNa show podcast so we did the show yesterday. some of you were confused about why we have the same listen listen. It's Monday Helwan. Show Youtube twitter all that stuff you know the places then on TV on Tuesdays and now this one is where we let our hair down a little bit and it's in podcast format. I've never really liked the word podcast but this is truly a podcast okay and it's fun because now we do things like this. Oh Chris Jericho's coming to town. We could talk awesome. 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WeWatchWrestling #265

We Watch Wrestling

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WeWatchWrestling #265

"The. This is a head gum podcast. Do you watch wrestling. That one her. Tell you be. Who they're welcome one at all. The we watch wrestling podcast. I am one of darling little furry old wrestling that mcgarvy with me, fresher wrestling Pat on civilly, hey gang. It's Tom Sibley here at my house. I can do my fucking long asked intro, as long as I want to. Foods. Vince is not here this week. Vinci's in New York City. Did you see Instagram? He went straight from the airport to beauty bar. He got in the cab drive. Cabdriver looked at one look at him and says, you're going to be bar. They went right over to beauty bar is not a place where you get your hair done. It is an actual bar. Yes. Fourteenth. Some like that. Fourteen fifteen second. I God fucked if I can remember anymore. I know mo- Pickens was on. Avenue a. Pickett. Did you never go there mo- Pickens Pickens house of satisfaction? They have that was really only around for a little over year what I mean. It was a hot venue, but that was like when refuse really kick in the mall picking up, this is that's many facets ahead of me. I know we were talking about that over the weekend. It's so funny Vincent here and you don't bastardize it song. Yeah, it's only worth. It's only worth it to get a rise out of like when you turn that off terrible. It's still play the kids still here. Well, the Iran Rob's dubbing the song. And now these days, if you're hearing the song right now, we're not actually hearing it. So we're going to be speaking with the cadence. Yeah, Vincent here. Last time, Vince wasn't here, arrests died. The ultimate warrior, the ultimate warrior, and hopefully we'll make it through this episode without any casualties. At that time, I was very taken by steals or your dying, but I didn't realize the frequency in which wrestlers often do pass away. Well, there really hasn't been the case in the last five years since we've been doing this. I mean, there was a time where it was like there was a guy if like every day. What time period was that? In the two, thousands. 'cause you get all those guys from the eighties and especially the nineties nineties was just bad with fucking drugs and injuries, which led to more drugs and. Roof, Ben wa. That was, I didn't even hear about Ben wa. That's amazing. I know we've talked about it, but like I was big story, totally missed it. Now it may have been the time when did it happen. Oh, seven. Yeah, I was in acting school. It was just that. I'm sure we've talked about this, but I was just in that bubble like I know anything. Sure about anything. I remember Dr drew setting that to Adam Corolla where he's like when I was in medical school. Like I mentioned like some movie from the eighties. It's like, what have you never seen, blah, blah, blah is a medical school. Yeah, acting school being at the neighborhood playhouse in medical school, like my father, the same thing. My father was uptown, a Columbia medical school. When he in the seventies or whatever when he was becoming a doctor. So it was I, it's, you know, and then his son went to an acting school down well, in the fifties, not the literal fifties in the nineteen fifties and the early two, thousands. But here we are here. We are in my apartment. Just me a Matt pepper is in her crate. Yeah, because even the last is this really the the last time it's been? No, Vince. Yeah, I've not been here at this point. Countless times short. I've been here every yes, you have Nolan, not Nolan Ryan. What was his name? Carl junior, Mark, Maguire. Cal now. Cal Ripken Cal Ripken. Thank you. Cal Ripken I'm a big baseball head. Oh man, you love. He loved the the balls, the crack of the bat. The roar of the crowd. I did see an old lady, get her knee shattered once by foul ball, you had a baseball game rose ball at back in the stands and just connected like it was on a rope to a woman's knee old ladies knee, and she was yard out of their longest baseball game in history Pawtucket, Rhode Island. How long like eleven hours over eight hours of play like it was tied. This is the PawSox the the Red Sox minor league team. I guess they're moving their leaving Pawtucket, but at any rate like thirty three innings around four o'clock in the morning, a pair. The players started getting delirious and so the the like we have to postpone the rest of the game. Really. Wow. Yeah. Nep baseball, man, baseball mad, just bats and balls, and gloves and bags. You know, a baseball and wrestling Avin common. Oh. Abe knuckleball Schwartz. That was a that was one of Steve Lombardi's characters. Do you know who is a big wrestler? I just read this wrestler. Yeah, who's really into wrestling? Oh, a big fan. No, actually wrestling who's a wrestler, ABRAHAM LINCOLN. Oh, I knew that I did. You know that didn't know that. I didn't know that he's really what started to popularize it in the states because during the civil war, both sides, good people on both sides, Tom, yes, sides in the civil war. Like because there's a lot of downtime. Right. So inbetween battled when there was this downtime? The the the, they would wrestle, not the north and south wrestling other. I mean, like you know, union soldiers, they were just they were start wrestling, you know, and they like, because I Lincoln was a championship wrestler before he became president. And then after the civil war, everybody kinda had wrestling in their blood, and that's when it really took off as a spectator sport, you know who we would get to play. Abe Lincoln the wrestler. I can tell you right now. Joe manganiello. No, guess. Sexy saver, junior. To play ABRAHAM, LINCOLN skinny will make them look tall, but we could fix it in post. We, we talk like Zack sabre juniors, the perfect example of long and lean, and he could do the sort of wrestling that they were doing now. I imagine they were doing Greco Roman style wrestling, but how funny would it be your catch-as-catch-can? Like if if you saw pictures of it and they had like a fake ring set up and like little announcers, and they'd come out to the music that was played on like a barrel. Why I always regret. I never got to be on drunk history. If I could lay down the first of all, I would have been, maybe I, I didn't watch every episode of that show, but maybe I would have been the first person to sit there and wet himself. I don't know if they've had or if they have they haven't shown it on drunk history, but you could still be on drunk history. Just the other side. In the rearranged actor. I'm actually surprised you haven't already been in a reenactment. You're surprised. Let's talk about the entertainment business listeners. I, I'd one buddy. He goes to me. He's like. Man, how have you not been on glow yet? I'm like, you're wondering. That was the beginning of the that was the beginning of the end of my old manager when like somebody who's like, dude, how are you not writing on that show? The show hadn't even started yet, but it was like ramping up and it was clear it was going. Yeah. So I, like I said to our was like, get get me in the room with them, like, I, you know, let me read on that fucking show. It was one of many emails that were weren't responded to just went out into the either. I mean, I used to have meetings in that fucking building in the managers like Avalon and I was developing a sizzle reel for for for what for the wrestling show that wind up being will not not my idea wound up being, but all of a sudden when southpaw yes, link showed up on the network like me and the other guys who had been working on this idea. We're like. Like, how is that even possible? Yeah, but the idea is now taking. Yeah. And like I would have meetings there with like other people who worked at Avalon in development, and she was. Couldn't be bothered to be in the fucking meaning with me. It's, you know, these are all people. I'm gonna make pay someday. Tommy. Jay Leno said you don't fall in love with the Hooker. Yeah, that whole thing I show remembers specifically what you're saying show business. He's like, don't fall in love with the Hooker because that's what show businesses. It's a Hooker, doesn't love you back. Yeah. And it's and it's also like have your own life. Doug Stanhope had the best quote of heard about show business. He said it's a blind, Coyote looking for anything that's making noise. Yeah, that's the industry. Yeah. The wrestling industry on the other hand, ROY, do they do they listen to the audience, they them what they want. We'll some promotions I'm promotions. Do. Did you watch raw? We were lucky enough to see one of those promotions we'll get to it. I did see raw. The whole thing. Yeah. It was good. Why thought? So we went to new Japan pro wrestling over the weekend. We saw, we saw them all at new Japan. I was, you know, I can't remember anything. So I was, I was like, oh, my God code is going to be here when they're showing. It's really great. Oh my God, Kenny o. Mehta, I knew was going to be there. He's the champion, you'd hope he'd be there, but Cody and my head was like, maybe he's not. Maybe he's like, pass this. And then I found out Cody was on aero well, that's how him in a Mel became buddies. I had no idea. Sure, right. Didn't watch. Do you watch arrow? I watched a like at least four episodes of ERO the coach years ago, the Cody episodes? No, like the first few episodes of the actual show and you're like, wow, this shows great. Never going back from more kinda why I don't think I ever said this show is great. I remember used to talk about how much you loved arrow. It was like a month just a solid month of you being like God. I love aero I'm honest to can't tell if you're, I'm not sure if I, I remember used to show up Rob's place dress like green arrow. You had like your your sorrow small. You had a and it was like, you piece it together like you had a golf bag. And I'm like, what are you hitting the links after this? And you know, and. Then you just started pulling out EROs, but you didn't have a like a bow and arrow. So you just kind of like throwing he kept throwing them at Vince his forehead. It was weird. I mean, I know this show's been on for a while and maybe Stephen them all as has gotten better. But he's one of those bona fide hongs with Iraq and Bod amongst there was, you know, the problem is never watched it. I don't know when you're that good looking, you don't develop a lot of humanity, which personality personality, maybe humanities. The rather long word humanity would be more like he, you know, good. Watch a little kid get run over by a truck and be like dick, yes. That's an extreme example day lack the basic humanity on screen though, too. It's hard to relate to them sometimes. But I mean, especially if they don't have you know if you're not required to if everybody just likes you. Yeah, I've, I definitely come from a place of, you know, and this is something. I had to get past, but although I became a comedian because I have a desperate need to be liked. Yeah, same same burning desire. Yeah, it's awful. Can you imagine gave you and if you could get a week of none of that, I'm getting better. I'm getting better, but like a week where it just gets shutoff. That'd be amazing. Like completely a switch lipped I've, I've have been feeling a little more right-sized dear. You know. Because that the extremes with me, it's either I'm not enough or too much. Yeah. 'cause I it's funny like being at the new Japan show, I'm like, God. I'm not compelled also not fucked up. Fucked up. I'd be like, oh, I got a gal shit. I got a yellows much off the cats family. Definitely where I got to be the show wrestlemainia thirty three one of the worst experiences of my life thirty one thirty one or one thirty, three thirty one man. I was so drunk. Yeah, screaming. Fuck you. So bad. At least I wasn't the only guy doing it, but still, gosh, certainly felt like you were. I'm sure. We don't call sober, then we, yeah. No, I was. I was impressed grams over. But. What a gift I gave you. It'd be like, Tom, you could be Matt McCarthy right now screaming, fuck you roam in front of a kid and his dad. I remember the kid in the dad being like a rag right in front of us. And I remember thinking myself, like fuck this kid because it's like, this is my thing. Yeah, because it's all about me Suba coffee for the work day. But how I just shit, my parents at new Japan though. Luckily we didn't have. I noticed that too. There was no clown shoes around us, which was really nice. There was only one guy who's just trying to start the that will Osprey chance that in in in in that moment, I realized, oh, I can't stand this chant when they do the Lelio lay. But with. Ole as great. No, it's not all you don't think they ole died years ago, probably. Well, lis done to death me and my buddies used to do it. I don't even know why, but we used to do at black forty, seven concerts. Sure. Fucking the bouncing souls had a record where they did the ole song. And then I live shows anywhere I was after hearing that would be the first guy going, oh. Going to do it? Well, you know how came into wrestling with generic. Oh, oh, yeah. Yeah. And then. Who knows? I mean, maybe it must have come from England with the Osborne thing. But I mean before that Robert England. Fred Krueger area? He didn't. When you say from England, you don't mean that Robert England brought a Robert England is the one who did it would just stand there and he he was of Sast with well, Osprey. He will just be in the back of the the show dressed in full Krueger makeup just being like art to a flip. I spray. I mean, it Vince. I was gonna say, Ricky shea Oce or shell shell shape. It will spray it just it doesn't quite fit and it's just it sounds awkward. Osprey. Osprey. Osma as it's like they can't keep up and the chant it just it hurts my ears. Absolutely. And that's really annoying, but only complaint I had I mainly okay. I'm Moja. Okay. Okay. Okay. I'm okay. Okay. Okay. With that blast. Can't do it off spray. They're going to do to you. Now at live shows, Boston were coming. Philadelphia were coming all over, you Syria? Sure. And chance to Blace ablaze the Blais we're gonna do some dates. Announcements for forthcoming just just the fuck up. We'll get to you. God get to it. But that kind of chant Osprey, Osprey chant I'm much more okay with that than someone trying to be funny and in the know. Yeah, because that is at least someone that like Zach to see which the energy coming off that is always much more likable. I at least I believe me. I still will participate in the show, but not to the level where when I was cocked and was like, oh yeah, I gotta do something pay. People are waiting for me to yell something amazing, but but but even then I was steered away from being like. So inside baseball, like, yeah, car. I've got an expert. I'm reading the observer are no your real. Like I'm going to shout Mark cow undertaker because that's wrong arm or like shades of our t. g. or whatever shades of shades of. That was so, but that was funny though because you never hear hot tub, guy shot anything. What was it. Oh, I can't JT Jada. Taylor Gromit Jonathan Taylor Gromit. He's the, that's the full name of the dog from Wallace and Gromit films. Can you know? But. Yeah. Well, the screaming things and all that part of, I guess the path that we're on we can call it is is learning like, you know, oh, I don't. I just be here. I don't. I don't have to write stand out now. Sometimes it's fun to yell out something silly I find at least, but, oh, big time to to do at the entire time as people do it. We got locked in with some real fucking, but we were very fortunate man. That show was great. It was great and the surrounding environment was great. Yeah. Yeah. 'cause it wasn't totally sold out. So I don't think you you had mostly people who just love wrestling lot of faces. Can we saw the hot tub and a lot of people it may have been sold out, but I think a lot of people were just in the concession line for your tire show concession line. Never let up the men's room line. Never problem. Man's remind never prom, merge. Merge line? Never. Never a problem at one point I walked by them in the merch was just empty and they had still everything. And I was like, all right, this is. But I guess all the people go into this show decided will just eat there. Should we beforehand maybe doing early dinner? No. Let's just eat at the show. Will you gotta think it's also beer, right? No, no, no. They had beer stands. Oh, all over those. Not it was not chosen hotdogs. I saw mostly they had no hot dogs. Are. Lipson asshole. Yes. Oh, do you know movie? Oh, is that from something? Yeah. Those just from real life now, hot dogs are Lipson assholes. Great outdoors. Oh, Roman, Roman reigns. No, Roman, I wonder if that's Roman names, Dan, ackroyd character, and great outdoors. It was named after Roman rain. Yeah, we'll know Roman reigns and John John, candy's character. You remember his character's name? No, do you? Yeah. What. Thrall. His wife, Dina, Ambrose, Dina, the Andhra Deandra Andrew Ambrose. I love that movie, but the opening scene of them singing along with the ACA yak. At the beginning drawing, you dare say, makes nothing but joy from that. It makes me uncomfortable. That was like my favorite part like I would come running in from other rooms if it was on well, because because the great outdoors is on, but we loved that part. It just makes me uncomfortable in that. That's how I think every from family from Chicago as soon as they all get in the car, they do that. Well, two things one. I, it just makes me uncomfortable that it's like the mom gets the don't talk Brock. That thing. It's just it's really it's just when the mom does it. I'm just like, I don't know. I'm not seeing inspir- -iety. Maybe not. You think that's a, I think it should. Well, I'll go get the DVD because I certainly own it. Great outdoors. There's a movie that you're like there is something to watch it and you'll check Amazon. You'll chick Hulu and you'll check Netflix and each one or like, fuck you. Fuck you. Eat a but get on the four. Oh five to van Nuys arena. MC see, DVD I was right by your house yesterday. Will you drop me off the other night? No, but I was right back there yesterday. Really? Yeah. I picked up a fucking woman over. On sepulveda's. No, like on a victory on victory and then took I, it was a straight shot one and it was like five and a half miles in one direction to all or no. Oh victories the worst. You gotta take Vano and if you take van, oh, and it's less lanes, but the, it's nothing. Greens. I, if I take victory, it's just red lights. It was one of those Brody king Tyler, babe. And if you guys are listening back me up on this, if you don't already know, don't take victory. Take Vano. What you thing Brody king already knows that. I don't know. It's just the, these are the things I've king. Van is he is very nice boulevard. There's a great thrift shop on van Nuys boulevard. This was one of those rides were nobody Ziani wrestling. So for sale them, you just want to turn to the lady and be like, where the fuck do you live? What is your fucking problem? That's the problem because you get that chunk in the valley between the four. Oh, five and the one seventy. And there's just you just gotta go straight. It's like it's like when we used to drive to Rob's, it's like once we were out by you, it's like a Faulk which is driving fucking forever to get to that ten. Yeah, because there's just no other highways around. Yep. What was your favorite match? Who Japan? Oh, I think I know easy times a million. It was wasn't it? Yeah, Osprey and scroll. That was the one right mortis girl will offer that was a hot fucking match. I was the matching the night. They stole the show the I, I, I like the main likes the tag better. Granted. All right, granted, everything. It was really, it's all subjective art form. It's subjective our form, and it's not to say any of the matches were not good. It's you hate Okada. But Marty that match just like. They, it started hot and you know, they found us, they started hot and they left us wet co Ed naked, rode hard put away wet, no coed naked firefighters. Oh my God. Do you remember the same for that was no, but I find him hot, leave him wet. I would read that as a kid. I wanted to co Ed naked shirt more than I wanted life it fucking self, and I had no idea what that meant. I forgot about all that bullshit. Coed naked volleyball, coed make it absolute big Johnson. Swish. Swish swish, but yeah. And if if only had gotten all those t shirts, you could be nominated as a supreme court Justice right now, I'd be fighting motherfuckers from UB forty. What a fucking dick. It's like I went to college with that guy to, oh, we all did. He's the one that starts the fucking bar fight. And then the are other buddy winds up in jail. That is the store. I have that story. Oh my God, he's the guy that's whatever. And then if he's drunk, it's like, oh, you just, you know, but we the look in the eye and your gotta stay away from that dude. The thing that I related to the most was the one guy who's like the last time I hung out with him purposefully. I was like, brother. I read you loud and clear. Yeah, like you just there's a red line and you're like, I'm not hanging out with that dickhead anymore. And if he's around, I'm going to go the other fucking direction that I had that guy and fucking college, dude, if Brendan's listening or benny's. Listen, you know exactly who the fuck. I'm talking about. Hey, but the thing and no, we're not. Let's not get into that. If you're worried going to love. You know, we all had that guy. That's why everyone doesn't believe this Brad Kavanagh guy about his drinking at the very least because it's like we all knew you man. All right, right. Kavanagh's some of us much worse than others like people that were sexually assaulted anyway. Will Osprey that mass started like hot as soon as the Dinger went, oh, bell rang. And it was like, oh, they went right into the near false. Yeah, I thought I honestly thought because they did three, four is really quick that it was going to be like a quick match and the crowd was going fucking nuts, mardi scoreless SOGA, damn good. And his interim us is just it's the best. It's Bess just I think it's just percussion and maybe base, and then the. Yeah, it's scary really sets a mood. I love watching his titan. Tron I thought is titan Tron at all in was better. I remember it was just it was. It was. It was like I would've just freaky footage of him. Like in the like the the weird like bird mask like just standing alone like 'cause when he's wearing that bird mass, you see no expression and it's just startling. Yeah. And so it's just like stark black and white of like him with the fucking umbrella over shoulder. And then all of sudden like jump cut, he's close in on him and he's doing that weird like, oh smile and you know what? They didn't do. He didn't do the. He didn't break the finger in break the fat. That was the one thing in my head. I was like, I was like near falls where it was starting to get real and heated. And I was like, yeah, but he hasn't broken a finger yet and then it never want him happening. But you know what I think about that you shouldn't be what? Why asked Vince who's favorite wrestler is. At I am double checking that he's not fucking with me. Do you want to get him on the phone. Maybe. Let's see. Frigging ghetto. This is. Plugged in the other microphone. This is probably making him. Hello. Message. Can't take your call. Get all of it. They didn't get all of it. They can know that rob to some of that. Did get some fucking weirdo is going to fuck in. It was. It's it's it's already taken care of Rob's Ari taking care of it. Why we've been talking about. That's I'm embarrassed. I was gonna leave it. I was gonna leave it up, right? It'd be like, we'll leave a mess. They give out the phone number. That happened to Joe Rogan on his podcast because number got out 'cause they do a video podcast and he was showing someone is phone and that just, you know it was. That's what it is because it's a conversation that show. So it wasn't thinking and like, 'cause like, you know, like exploded basically, is that him? No, it's a New York Times investigation in New York Times, skit update from New York Times. Do you listen to the daily? I never miss it. Oh, it's on from two. It's on to thirty three. So I'm usually driving and I just pray. I don't get some yacky Powell radio show. Oh yeah, it's on MPR too. I voted. I listen to it in the morning. Yeah. I used to, but now I save it for. I'm Michael Barbaro. See you tomorrow. Seymour. You know, he loves that. He just like you ever go to his Twitter, the picture of him. Exactly. The guy you're picturing when you hear that force. Okay. Glasses are no glasses glasses? Yeah, right on our they circular. I couldn't say, I imagined to be anyway. I love that match that match the main event, the tag Okada and itchy versus the golden lovers. That's that's. That was hot and it was, and it was such an Okada match. Whereas like it built at build so strong. He's a fucking steam engine. Once it starts going, it starts going because it's always early on. I'm like, all right, this is this matches. Fine. This is cool. This is good. This is pretty good. And then by the end, I'm just like fucking match of the year. Well, what. Well. But here's the thing. I don't know. I don't have the same reference point that you guys have for Okada because he seems like the most beloved. You gotta watch his his matches. Thank he's great. Yeah, I think his presence is cool. His fucking opening Jumbotron thing. The money around. It's great. That's really cool. I mean, that's Kim to a glass break. Almost bright dig is new. Look, I miss his old look. What was his old book? You know, he had that big long fucking ridiculous, robe and shit. If you saw it, you'd be like, oh, yeah, right. But here's the thing. I love that sexy sexy partner. She that. Oh, Kotto bushy. Can you make any? Can you make partner. Oh, my God guys got no waist and shoulders the size of a fucking small town. I mean, Jesus. Perfect. We saw him live once well, a budget times. Yeah, I feel like I've seen him so much. Now why is at once? I'm just thinking of the annex t show we saw years ago. I was still drinking. Then I was like sneaking drinks. Oh, yeah. Yeah. To know. I was like, I'm gonna run to the bathroom the bathroom. Like I better out to beers before I get back to the seat. Of course. You ever meet anyone out for drinks and somehow magically you got there before them because you were in the neighborhood and quotes know about three or four drinks before you got here? Well, I would have three or four drinks before I got there. I would be late. Sure because the train was fucked up. Yeah, I needed to get nice and Lucy to see before I did anything. All right. But. He was here and I needed to smoke weed before I did absolutely nothing. Was he in an XT? No, no. He's the ultimate free agent. He's not even signed. I don't think with new Japan. He's just he was just in an inex- t show they brought him in. He was well. He was in the cruiserweight classic. Right. Remember that tournament years ago, this wasn't the palladium show, was it? No, the show before that. Where was you me Glenis. Georgia palladium? Is that the play him then? Yes, he was the one that's in Hollywood. He was at that show. Okay. When you first see, this is why you don't remember anything else from that show. This is the first time you laid eyes on Mandy. Rose. Yeah. I mean, that's that's certainly a stand up from you're standing there and just like, oh, like you were just, you weren't even like being like, you weren't even be like a creep like, oh, you're just not. You were just like, I'm so happy to know that this person exists. She's, she's just great man. I, if you know, follow her on Instagram. I, she if there's an Instagram account of the week from here until it turn ity, it's it's Mandy grows, but a I digress that match. So. Kenny omega, Anna Bucci. Yeah, I know are the golden lovers so they already, but they're, they're dynamic together. Their chemistry, yes, as the fuck and coolest. Right, that double moon sought. They do to the outside that thing. Yeah. But I mean, just I was standing the combination like the, you can't escape, and then he, he drops him and then he flips on him. Then he flips back. Then he flips, he's on the top row up. It's it's amazing how well, I think Vince either put it on some or some one of us not me put it on either privates or someone had it in their story. A boomerang, I think Vince is big on the boom of the double jump and the double moon salt. I was marveling watching it through the boomerang of like that. So well timed, no, it was like, you know, pinpoint accuracy. Here's the thing with Okada though is remember. I remember you saying this commenting on this. After all in the match he had with Marty where you're like, because you had seen one if not a couple of the Okada Kenya mega matches. Yeah, which are just some of the straight up best matches that have ever happened anywhere. Yeah, that you watch Marty's match, and I think you even put it in the terms of like, oh, he was kind of wrestling Marty's match, like doing kind of like he wasn't doing that Okada match. I saw him do with Kenny omega. He was kinda. Not in those. I don't think that's something that sounds exactly like something you would say. I don't think I'm that advance. There was mayor, said it. It felt more like a mardi scroll. That's my maize on the other end of it of saying like, it didn't feel like a comedy, not comedy comedy, but didn't feel like mardi scrawl match. It was more of like all out, kinda thing an all in kind of all in, but, but that is if you watched Okada's matches with, you know, manure Suzuki or or anybody run the gamut. You see that Okada can do anything. And b. I'm listening, I'm really are coffee. I'll take another coffee and can be brilliant. While doing it. Mixed e, mccheese stands alone. Mixie's stands loan. I, oh, the Dudley os. Mccheese stands. I'm singing them a song. They love it. I've been swimming in raw sewage. I love it. Man. Oh, man. I don't know the young bucks had a great match to you. You you didn't. You weren't feeling the Matt Jackson, so oversaw in the back. I loved it. 'cause it's because it's not. I've said this on the stands. I was like, it's not like I spray when he starts selling the neck immediately or especially like Seth Rollins selling his goddamn knee to the point where you just like, Seth, if your knee hurts this bad, every time you wrestle, maybe learn how to, you know, fix computers or something. But with Matt Jackson, I don't understand the even his is this is just been a long ongoing thing. I know which is, but it it adds to the. There's a certain continuity that is being paid off for those who are paying attention. You know, it's, it's, it's the exact opposite WWE where if you pay attention, you get punished. Whereas what's so funny with this other stuff? If you pay attention, you get rewarded, which is widely that most recent Kenny o. mega Okada match was so fucking unbelievable for me because it's like they are paying off things that they have been planting these seeds in every match. They've done up until this point. It's beautiful. Even like even like with with the Tongans being the ones to cause the bullet club to rip apart because they had been doing the. Cody Kenny thing for so long and Cody insisting that bullet club is fine. And then finally reaching its zenith where they had Kenyon Cody fighting again where the, you know, they had a killer match mania weekend, and then they finally met up again and then they healed. And then immediately that night, Tango and hukou and Tama Tonga Kalou. Towing. Well, while thin. Those, but then all of a sudden it was bullet club's not fine because it was this other section of bullet club. It's like, well, where are they in all this? But then it was. It was because they are the ones who are. We're g Bill club and it's just it was just brilliant. It's brilliant. And it just they lay it out for you and there's a payoff as opposed to well, undertaker Kane, DX down. So in Australia, DX got to go over, but we'll do fucked up way so that we get to fuck in the mini Beryl in Saudi Arabia will then one hundred gotta get him back boss. We're not doing take no favors either nobody can win any matches, but also nobody could lose any matches those tongue and guys, bad mother fuckers. I got worked by them during that match. There was one point rows like wait, is that dude. Like legit angry. Because one of them start saying, mother fucker something the legit like, oh, this just turn very, and isn't that the realm of reality. But those to have that sort of. Believability a believable the like when I look at the young bucks, I would never fuck with any of the young bucks, but I'm not ever thinking wouldn't care to those guys guys like like be careful out there. Right? Because one of them may just flip a switch and they didn't. They don't know Lance Archer one of them like just grab some guys hat in the front row and I thought he ripped his hat or something. Yeah, I kinda missed it. Oh, and, and I don't wanna forget to point this out because it is so funny, the young bucks ads in their titan, Dr the tents, eight packs you've ever seen in the in their thing because they know they're right, like winking at us, but I don't like the whole selling of injuries. Just I don't know why it takes me out of it. It's it's, it's too much acting and then I'm like, but that's gonna see, you wrestle. That's why I like it. Because Matt Jackson, he, he is so over the top with it. I mean, his back really is fucked up. These guys are doing backflips onto fuck in, you know. Essentially concrete. You know, it's like the backs of fucked. Oh, I assume everyone I've ever seen their back is fucks definite or on the way to being fucked. If you ain't fucked, you're on the highway to fucked. Did you hear remember undertaking going like waking up in the morning. All right. Got one leg out. Yeah, that's good. The next one who's the guy that interviewed American. I don't know if you didn't see it was kind of goof. Felt like they were buddies like undertake. It was like, all right, man, but as a great, it's just a great shoot interview with with taker. Talking about everything is Donald Trump news on here. Oh, Donald Trump, engaged and suspect tax schemes in the nineties, as he reaped of as fortune from his father. At times of this case found not that big of. I mean, it's kinda the failing New York Times. That's okay. What were we saying. Matt Jackson, Solana's back. Yeah, the the selling of the back. I guess it brings. Some negative empathy and and then someone will like come in and like totally destroy us back, right? Like he'll show. And then one of the guys later, like throws them back first into the April. Then he we, well, he went through that table and then was laid out for a while. That table was like, I don't even think there was. I think it was all gram of a table that did a hologram breaking because he just might get there might as well have been no table there. Does you've heard these guys say that? Like it's not that bad going through a table because of that thing was shaved onto a quarter of an inch. I mean, it's right. It's started breaking before even like the wind of him him coming started breaking the table before he went through it. And what I liked about that too. Was he just, they said of table and there wasn't a lot of teasing with the table. There is only one moment where it looked like someone was gonna does it and he went right, the fuck that's true there. It we probably the worm has turned on the table spots where they have gotten to the point of trying to make you forget that they just set up a table. Now do now if you set up a table at Amelie, put the guy through, you're like, oh, holy shit. Yeah, could use the table on them because we're not expecting it. We've been so conditioned, that's the great thing about pro wrestling. It's just like. Go in one direction, long enough that when you make a hard left, people that go, fuck, here's the thing about new Japan. They make it look story wise. They make it look, easy or easier. Simple. Maybe both. I don't know because it's well. It doesn't need to be complicated when it's when pro wrestling any store. Any story, towing if it gets overcomplicated. That's when you lose people that show legion on FX. Is going on there on all the right ingredients. But I after four episodes, if by the end of the fourth episode of season, if I'm still saying, wait what the fuck is going on. I mean, it's, you're done Zo anything comedy does it need to be over like boy, that joke was great because it was so complicated. It's like, no, no, you can. Things can be intricate. Things can build and pay off later and you can have called Bax and all this other stuff by like if you need to watch something and I'm talking to movie TV show joke, wrestling storyline and just a match in and of itself. You watch it from the beginning by the end, if there's great a great deal of satisfaction doesn't have to necessarily be from an, it's probably not going to be from 'unnecessarily sairy complexity. If you're. Making something complicated almost for the sake of being complicated than you're hiding the fact that you've got nothing. Yeah. Yeah. It's like the second season of Westworld and never. Yeah, exactly. And there was no bigger Westworld Mark in the world, the new for season one. I even went back to take a screen cap of some coding in it. God bless you because the coding showed something very well. It's, it's like look, no further than that, but I just like, oh, you've got nothing is the w. e. that complicated? No, but he he over complicates that because he and I say Vince over complicates that because he thinks that that is then sophisticated. And then it gets so convoluted that he forgets what they were doing and then gets bored with it, and then things get dropped and things get fucking tossed her, like even the shield in and of itself. I was thinking about this on the way here like the shield, the original idea, like do you even know why they're called the shield. Sacramento hate show. Do it easily lead. Domus sal. Do you know what they are. It's. Chateau house, igloo environment lead door. It Sam, Sam. Hi, Amana, that would be amazing if wouldn't cavenaugh was testifying. He's like, I have so many female friends, Sarah, Heather, Ingrid. Evangeline, Liz, Diane shield, and then all of a sudden they come in and just beat the shit out of him. Oh, it's Sierra hotel, India. Echo Lima, dill king stood fix. You've been Rick rolled stitching. Never go shield. Screen. Right. So. Leko lee. So it's dean saying shield and Lima. I don't know. And then you could tell Romans the whatever mayo need to set. It's so funny because that is at a point to when they recorded that you can hear Roman trying so hard. Yeah. Trying to sound cool. I mean, he's still falls into that. He's I dunno, Romans gotten better all around, but that was at a time two. Oh, God. All Roman was call. One of these days. We're just gonna let Rome and finally happened to us. I don't whatever I can't get into the whole Roman thing. It's over. It is what it is. Suck it up and deal with it. I know I'm beyond the point of caring, but is the show that complicated what I was gonna say they're called the shield because the original idea was that they were going to be Siham punks faction that he hides behind and hides behind their his shield. And then immediately Vince had to complicate everything, and then they had nothing to do with see 'em punk. And then they were just there. They were just guys from annex t invading. Which still ended up in pretty cool. You know what I tend to agree with you. That things worked out pretty good for the shield except for teens, overly manicured beard. It's off putting. He's not. The kind of gun is not the kind of guy, right. It doesn't. It's that thing that you guys were saying that like they respect that when you come back, you have a different look. So maybe what you always. But I mean, come back with a longer beard that look even more haggard. This guy needs to look like fucking woke up in a trunk, like a car trunk. And it was just like, what the fuck when did they start putting these things in where you can just pull the trunk open from the inside? I'm just laying there looking at the thing like what the fuck is that it was like I was in the trunk for another three hours. All right time to kick myself out. Wait, what's this lever? Well, this sucks. All. I better be in the middle of the desert and man. It's like when they started making it, so you could just push down the back seat and then be in the car. Like I've been trying to get out of the car. That's why fell asleep in the trunk. Oh, you wanna hear something fucked up. Yes, I know. I know this girl. Oh boy. She and her roommate parked tandem. Okay. Was them in tandem parking at means you get one big space for an apartment building and you get the front spot and the person that you're your roommate behind, you look stacked parka? Yes. Stack parking also hand them park oak for whatever's on picturing tandem as their next which other. I don't know why it makes more sense. Whatever the root word of tandem is like a bike. Yeah, one in front of the this. This shit. These two girls, they live together to help each other out with the parking situation. They both gave each other a key to their car, kept it in their cars, someone broke into the girls car. The one in the back of tandem finds the key realizes for the car in front opens that car, guess what they find in that car. The other key stole both cars now he's on the phone. The buddies like you're not gonna believe this dude. I made Christmas came a bit Christmas, came around Halloween this year. Maha. I said, I was going to go steal a car and you'll like, fuck. I need to steal a car rents get and do. How Louis a-. But. Mr. Austin, I never stole a car. Did does look stand up. Comedy? Does the show have to be kind of overly complicated, whatever be there's just so much fucking time to fill so many fucking people. How long was that new Japan show. Four hours. And did it feel like it that feel like when you're sitting there watching raw? Yeah, maybe I'm asking the wrong guy. But I don't. It did. Does it where you board? I wasn't bored and and it was a great great show. Here's my question now, my question my point, they're only they're not doing that once a week and they have like what? A quarter of the roster. No, they have. They've, they will. Yeah, they didn't. They. They have a big roster, but like there's plenty of guys that weren't on the new Japan show. Yeah, you know, lots of guys Toriano when Suzuki plenty of people that you would enjoy seeing. Yeah, exactly. The screamer. Right? Just waiting. I'm awake. And then at night, good night. But. They have a lot of fucking time to fill on. WWE definitely bun might say too much fucking time online. Even one might even agree with you. Yes, but. It's like it does. Things can take their time and build slowly, but it. That's what it is is because Vince just Vince gets bored, Vince forgets. Vince. Tries to reinvent the wheel. Vince re resents the fact that he's a wrestling promoter and he wants to be Walt Disney. He wants to be a mogul and so he tries to overcomplicate wrestling and make it into something isn't. And he surrounded by people like, you know, whatever who reinforced this attitude of. Oh God. It's so wrassling, whereas Vince is so insulated in his bubble and is surrounded by so many people who don't challenge him that it gets the point where it's nobody informs him that. Even if it's something that has happened before this audience hasn't seen it yet or they haven't seen it in a long time. I've made this point before. Johnny. Carson said, there's no all jokes cyst an audience who hasn't heard them yet. Because it's like anything like Johnny Carson, for example, do you know the Karnak routine, the turban? Exactly. He has an envelope with the. He threw mystical divine powers can hold the envelope to his forehead and know what the answer to the question is having he can ascertain what the answer to the question is having never even seen the question before. So he's, you know. Dipsy doo, and then he opens up the envelope. And the question is, what forms on your deputy early in the morning. Deputy, do. That routine is synonymous with Johnny Carson. Steve Allen used to similar routine, the same routine, and then claims that Carson ripped him off to cars would always roll his eyes me like that goes back to fucking vaudeville. Yeah, it's like Steve, it's just, you know, but it's it. But then again, now, Johnny. Carson has been retired for twenty seven years dead for fucking fifteen or whatever people are. That's what they want us to believe. Thank you. So it's like you even have to explain that routine. But like it's just it's. I remember I forget who it was with AJ was AJ leaves when I was still right in there. It was some some. We were trying to figure out a way out of a match, which if I need to lend you this book, drawing heat the hard way by STAN. Oh, I was pronounce his name wrong. I keep wanting to say music's, that's not. It's not stand moose next. No, it's not stand from the Eminem song. Is it. And then all of a sudden I'm reading the book cuts to be reading the book and I go, oh, damn it. Was you. Sam, music, music, whatever. He was a play by play guy and involved in the booking and. Saint Louis, and he wrote an amazing book called drawing heat the hard way. And I read it while I was working there and it made it helped me understand the business, even more. It gave me a different perspective other than a WWE, Vince McMahon perspective on how to book correctly. And it also address things that I saw I hand being done and said at WWE that he was like, if you start asking yourself, how do we get out of this match? Your fucked, and there would be so many times we'd be in production meetings be like, all right. Well, how do we get out of this thing? It's like we don't have a plan. We have no plan. We've booked ourselves on a corner and we'll goddamn Randy. Orton can't lose all fucking hundred. Can't lose though. What? Fuck do we have hundred? Trivia domestic aren't other fucked. We get this. So is it was one of these situations where how do we get out of this match? And somebody in the room was like, well, and that means how do we get out of this? How do we. Onto this match without anyone losing. How do we? How do we get out of this without damaging seen without Dana damaging Lessner somehow if you lose wins and losses don't matter. But this, this whole group of people over here can't lose, but then we're not doing these other people that favors by so then you on it with this fifty. Fifty booking in the whole thing gets watered down and people become less interested in. They bring beach ball. So the fucking show. So this one day, how do you not of this thing? And somebody was like, well, it's something we haven't done in a long time. Believe the last time it happened was it was a match with trip with with stone cold and and Brad Hart. And all of a sudden the bell just starts ringing and the the competitors are confused and the referees confused, and we turn on me look and it's the loose cannon, Brian pill men, and he's just got the hammer and he's banging on the on the bell and everything's fucked up. And then we can get out of the match that way because it's it's, it's, it's, it's the whole things thrown out because of that, or it's discovered above above. So we did that finish with AJ where it was pumpkin, whoever and Daniel Bryan Kane or whoever was involved in that whole thing. AJ just she's unstable goddamn dote say, she's crazy. We can't call the women crazy. But she's banging the fucking bell. Hammer, volition FOX would helpful. How great is she? She's nuts. She is. She's one of those people where soon as I hear her name, I'm like, how does she still have a job? And then I see, and you see what I'm like, God, she's, she's got it all figured out. She draws the eye. She's very dynamic. She has a tremendous look the out. Even if she says, doesn't say a word. I look at her out for it and I'm like, oh, right. Remember she was just as a captain when she she that little problem that that insert promos she did where all of a sudden than she kept my captain's hat back again and puts it on. It's just like God. She's a fucking lunatic. I love her. Yeah. So this is another good example. Vince gets into these things of like. We need to be doing more insert. I noticed that last night when all of a sudden it was Lee FOX had an incident of you and then you know, glorious and Gable had a fuck inserted interview and then so you know, and I was like, oh, this is Vince is he gets on these kicks, everybody's in a tag team now. Oh, everybody. They got best friends. People need to be dating. That's when I came in. It was like, everybody needs to be dating. Why are they all in relationships? He's like, who are you dating dating? I'm married, sir. I'm oh. I don't mean everybody's buried, but who you dating? I mean who you fucking on the road on pal. You're gonna get wet. You got it moist. All right, pressing genitals against another set of genitals. Don't throw by desk. So what I'm saying is he over complicates that. Last night like when when they kept teasing dean turning, it was to the point where I'm like. Fuck. I think they are going to do what Tom was suggesting that dean acts like he's going to turn, then then turns on the people he was turning with. And now it's everybody's turned. It's just it overcomplicated. It doesn't need to be such. It's like my favorite Merlet Baldwin, Steve Martin, and Diane Keaton film. It's complicated. Wait, is it Diane? Keaton. I think it's Meryl Streep. Oh, it is my favorite Meryl Streep. Alec Baldwin and Martin sheen. Movie grits. Complicated. I will take a break. And we're back what's going on guys. That was seamless. We just took a three hour break. We got a full Turkey dinner full-term. We drove all the way to Long Beach. We went back to Hoff's hut. Let's talk about half Sut. We didn't talk about our pre show meal. You know, we re overdid it. Oh my God, overdid the point where I could have fallen asleep during the show because just laid my head back a little bit big time. I had all the say what I you ordered Vince ordered and vizier right now he'd be beside himself. I had you're, you're looking at the menu. Your frigging. Vince, what are you gonna go visit. Has his menu. Close hands folded. Cool as a cucumber? Yeah. Well, what do you get Vince just like chicken fried steak. A beat to beats three beats. Tom just looks up. That sounds really good. And then Vince don't you copy me? I copied them because I was going to get a burger, but I realized I had a burger earlier in the week, and if you're at a place like that, you can get a burger. Sure. I'm sure it will be delicious, but a place that is a good place to get a chicken fried steak which I haven't had in years. So I get a chicken fried steak and fries. I eat all of that. Vince who's I dunno, if a little, if he's got a runway show coming up or something, but he's the difference between guys like you and I was like, Vince is can be like I had enough. Yeah, and then stop eating that ain't I got a Vince left a little bit more than half of his and you were like, what's wrong with it wrong on that. He's just like, no, I've had enough. So I ran on over eight all of that. So I more or less forgot you had essentially to chicken fried chicken, fried steaks, and fries and a Caesar side salad. Now. Here's where here's the thing. I got the half rack of lambs and every time I have to know ribs, riff of lambs, lambs have ram lacked am at the half half rack, baby back ribs. And every time I have to remember talk myself out of ordering the full rack. But here's the thing if you were I, we're given a full rack. We'd eat the full. I would eat a full rack. Yeah, there is no, nothing gets left. So then dessert time. We also had salads. We also had salads. I had a Caesar side salad. I had rice pilaf and loaded mashed potatoes, real bacon bits, oh, and the end, the chicken fried steak to come with steamed vegetables, which I all this. Here's the thing. This place is known for their pies who were like, fuck we gotta get gotta, get dessert. Gotta get. This is where I copied Matt's choice of, right. 'cause I was gonna get a Dutch apple pie, but this place, their specialty is a pumpkin crunch pie, which is like the Dutch apple topping of crumb on top of pumpkin pie. So we all order pie and coffee, and I kept saying, turn to Vince thank God. I got coffee. I would fall asleep in the back of Tom's car right now. But didn't you think you were getting a slice of buy? Yes. Oh, that's right. It's not even a slice of by. They give you a miniature by they give you a miniature pie, like the size of a saucer which is roughly the size of like a coffee saucer. I'd say you get one. It's like two slices a pie, two and a half. So it's like a little chicken potpie an actual pie. Eight. All that, right. And then Vince doesn't eat all of his banana cream pie so that I'm scooping whip with you. Scooping away eating it. I left there heavy. Oh my God, I could've. If all the both of you were like, maybe we just skipped new Japan, bro wrestling, go take a nap. I would've been like, great. I would skip any wrestling to go take a nap on a full stomach or empty. I did not eat. Until about one o'clock the next day. I didn't eat breakfast the next morning. Yeah, I didn't eat around lunchtime. I was like, oh, I better eat something. We were done eighty between a quarter to four, three or forty, five four. I didn't. And I it was effortless sometimes to do that long of a fast. It takes a little grit drive home though. I needed a little bit of sugar. Yeah, I got the recess sticks that that'll calm down by the way, it's not going to be like that forever. What need a little sugar? Yeah, I used to have that really. Yeah. And I just thought like, well, that's that's life. But after a while I've been eating less sugar. I've been drinking almost no sugar. Yeah. Did you like raw. It's kinda hard to watch. Believe me. I was putting together a bookshelf while while raw was on, you know, trying to shit on it or anything, but like after, no, it's like new Japan. That's so dynamic, fun. And and what that's what I'm talking about is it's it's not a wrestling show anymore. It's a WWE show. Oh wrestling, but with this doesn't seem to understand if we're going by what you're saying before. Like what goes around comes around. I think maybe at one time it's too wrassling. He may have been right, but now, right PM would be much more down for the both. That's that. Well, maybe I didn't make that point clear enough, but like that's where I was getting to with that where it's like, will people haven't seen that in a long. Vince is the only game in town. This is why the Indies are as hot as they are now, because people want to see first of all, people wanna see pro wrestling, but they also want to see something that isn't just WWE because people are like, oh, I didn't know that wrestling could be this or that or the other or not to bring it back to physical types. But like I also think you know, you can identify a bit more with the people. You're seeing a new Japan show. Some of them look more like regular human being. Has browsed free. Sure, sure. But yeah, I saw I really like what they're doing with dolph and drew. Drew. I wonder how long it's been. Has it been three months since they came out, you declared they were going to be the hottest act and the company and three months. You gotta make big proclamations, but. I like what they're doing. I like how dolph went real hard into Brahmin. I was even surprised with that. The way that match opened that was a good bad. I'll hardy went in shit. I was good. I was like, you know, that's Roman reigns. I liked it. I like to all of it. I love the moment of bliss. Alexa bliss is a fucking riot. The only thing if I, if I could, you know. If I had to pick one critical thing, it would just be maybe you can appreciate this having done like an acting class. If you've ever heard this note of like she tries to do something in every single moment. Like she tries to react to every single line and have like a new look on her face for absolutely every if she just dialed it back a little bit, if she just didn't try to fill the entire space with some sort of facial expression or acting if she just took it back just a little bit. She'd be just heads and shoulders above everyone else. Well, in that situation, literally what we called it in school was. Factoring face acting that's factoring? Yeah. That best two years of my life. There was no, you know, like it was not. It was b. I like my college experience wasn't the like prolong guitar solo thing. This was like my first time just really it was. I don't know why. Probably affecting factor, but that is it like she, she, she, she doesn't even do too much. It's just it's just. E. It's just she just if she just did a little bit less. Well, I mean she still finding her way. That's an interesting part about the WWE. You get a lot of people on the grandest stage of the mall. We met hill like you usually and other fields of entertainment by the time you get to something that level right, pretty dial in and what you're bringing the table. And these shows are still see like broad Stroman. We've thought that guy figure it out from day one right. Screed scrotum squad them. Heather Munroe is so good. Just my something buzzed by phone I opened up and she's more times than not. The first thing that comes up on my Instagram. I can't believe she's only been doing like four years. I think still great. She's fucking she's going to be. She'll be in Orlando soon enough. That's not even some you wanna hear anymore. I got. I mean, women are in a much better position than they've ever been in that company. And also how much time does Vince mint. Vince men. Really have left on this earth. This is true. I bet people wonder if people are thinking like that. Like people have been thinking like that for years. When I started there in the an October, November two thousand eleven. It's like, what am I like? One of the first weeks. If not the first week, the guys from the road came back and they're like, Vince sat on everyone made a big, huge speech about how on not going to be here every week. Like was already putting into play that he was going to be slowing down hundred. Stephanie we're going to be taking over that that transition was about to begin and then the next week they're like, okay, I guess it must be the the next week is when Vincent and then told by doctors, and he was just there every single week. He made that speech, and then he never, they're never missed a week. Does he make that speech periodically or is it a big deal for him to make that speech? Oh, huge. Make that speech and that speech has never been made. Again, our, you know, I mean there there was the time where he was home because he when he tore both quads. It's not funny. It's no, it is funny when you watch the clip because then he's like standing there with his hands on this. That's that's man. I know what the clip is, but like according to, you know, people who had been with the company for a long time. They were like, that's really when Vince like he was always nuts. But then that's when he went crazy. Do you think for hunter and Stephanie takeover that being said, one hundred is taking over Stephanie's the the face the corporate face, and I was just gonna say, what? What roles are each taking? Hunter, hunter would then become Vince run the wrestling run the, you know, talent, creative and Stephanie. Stephanie does the business side and the, you know, cutting ribbons and kissing babies and the Corp, the literal, not the corporate face those literal like this shoot corporate face the woman that's going to present, but also the public as so just here, she. Has tissue, have any interest in bookings and all that stuff for. Ideas. But yeah, but I mean, like one point she was in charge of creative. But I mean, that wasn't when I was there and never really heard much discussion of. Could I think she she might have been the one when she was in charge of creative was the one who really branched out into. We need to be bringing TV writers and and that sort of thing. But I mean, even, you know, because people don't the fuck talking about like even like the meltzer's and the Alvarez's and stuff where they like shit on the writers like, oh God, I got thirty right in there. That is the best thing that can go with. It's like it's like, yeah, just like Vince is about to retire and hundred. Stephanie are being groomed to take over. It's just like all we bring all these TV writers. It's like, no, Vince is still there every single week. Vince making every decision. Vince anything that doesn't make sense on TV. It's Vince. It's not like I love it. I love it every week with Alvin has is like. These writers, Brian, these, these writers, they don't understand, you know, they, they don't know anything about wrestling. It's like, Dave, you've never been in the room. You don't know what the fuck you talking about whoever you're getting your information from God bless them. They don't the fuck the talk and what it's like when Cody quit WWE and he liked wrote that open letter and he shits on like Ryan ward and Ed Coskun like really think add cost sqi was was the problem. He's the one holding you back Cody guys in the company. Don't even understand how it works. It's Vince, it's hunter fucking grow up just because Vincent's your Kadhem love your code. Love your dad, you brother. Do you have a sister love her too. I assume you have a mom, love your mom. You know that she had a succession on HBO. Is that that type of thing? I just because it's that is like a like a Sumner Redstone kinda ride. Yeah, can you? But w e. A billion dollar company. It is active. It is such an interesting show if you just change the settings. Financial world did that because I mean, there were times where I really felt like God, the role of the writers sometimes is just to be the scapegoat just to be what the fuck. Oh, you fucking me over dude. And it's like, because it's also like none of the writers would ever say talent like, well, that's what Vince says, because then because then I'm fucked if I send fucking big shows upset because the whatever got caught or we change this or that. And then he goes into Vinci's office and it's like, you know, all the writers said, you said, and now I'm pulled in the fuck the one thing you never. If you guys, I was like, I was blown away like my first week at TV, seeing them be like like able to apply logic and be like, well, the the thinking process here was this that and the other XYZ you know, we just think it'll be better of blah, blah, blah, blah. And I remember just thinking like, that wasn't the impression I got it just felt like Vince kinda hates half the roster and like we're like, oh, gives a fuck. You know, because we and especially at that time like five, seven years ago where it was just like sina is like the roster was fucking depleted. There's no heels. It was just seeing a. They were holding back Sam punk and Daniel Bryan. It was just like, oh God. Well, flippy floppy little guys, indie internet fans marks. Yeah, it's all fucking. I hope, scenic back. He's coming back fucking Saturday. He'll be in Australia, tagging with Bobby Lashley. I hope he has the hair. Hide it. Oh, he'll have the hair big time because I love it. Love the hair. Right, looks great. Love it. And I, I can't remember. I think for whatever he's doing, he leaned out maybe because be at size in person looks really good, but being that size, even though it's all muscle on camera, it makes you look heavy. It's also it's off putting because it's it's unrelatable like if you're like, you know, it's one thing if he's in trainwreck and he's like on the jacked up guy, but now you can only play on the jacked up guy. Whereas, like maybe if you lean out, you can be a real person. Not him in. What I mean? Do we do? We wanna talk about very quickly Elias and Kevin what was going on there. The Seattle SuperSonics the basketball team. They left like ten fucking years ago and went to Oklahoma City. Yeah. And so they were talking about boy, do you know John seeing Bobby Lashley tagging? The other doesn't make any sense. He's like, it makes little sense as a basketball team in Seattle does. I have never heard louder or more sustained. This vicious Bouic. That was all because of that. I was wondering if I wasn't sure if I missed something. I mean, 'cause I was saying that was insane. It was great and it was right, very offering to the both of them will they were riding for right? And then it was like, wow. Like, all right. Well, we need to say, shit, we came out to saying can shows running long now. Now we need the fuck him. But I mean, here's the thing is because watching it at home, the microphones are always going to be the loudest thing. So like anytime they started talking to the Mike, I'm like, okay, I can hear you, fine. I knew that they were booing loudly and I knew it was lasting a long time, but I didn't appreciate how overwhelming it must have been in the building until Kevin o. and started yelling into the mic to try over them. And then I was like, oh, they can't hear themselves when because because at home I can hear the Mike. Yeah, it's like when Elias point to his ear when Kevin was talking to them, I don't think he was kidding. I think, oh, he's just like here unless they have a monitor right there on their, they can't hear it like sometimes sometimes they do. Sometimes they do like an Elias segment or like. Sometimes you'll see talking. They do a good job of not shooting it. If you're there live, you can see put in the mon-. I've definitely seen that. But if they didn't have that or the, it wasn't loud enough because they didn't think, but it wasn't until that moment. I, I really truly appreciate it like, oh, they are drowning in a sea of booze and not like you and I used to, yeah, real real booze real boost. That was amazing. A loved that. And then Leo rush came out and he's great in that role, but it breaks my heart. I'm like, this is the best you can do with Leo rush. Just have him out there talking. Maybe he's like, maybe, you know, he's making himself well, maybe making more money. He certainly not out there with Joey Nella fucked up his knee, something awful. I hate that. Hate that. It felt like it was inevitable though. Do you know how he did it? See it is that thing with wrestlers where it's like they do such crazy crazy, fuck and shit all the time. And every time you like, oh, God, you got to can't can't keep doing that. And then when they injure themselves, the worst is the routine stuff they do all the time. Yeah. And so he was wrestling. I think psychosis. If you saw them luta door was on nitro and stuff, and he do thing. We just like a cross body, you know, to the outside onto him, like off the the ring or whatever. And he just the way he landed. It's like Seth Rollins when he when he fucked up his knee, the knee stuff. I know like he his knee is fucked like surgery out for a year as like with undertaker's saying that interview. Just like exactly. He's big flips and stuff you, you run the risk more so of catastrophic damage as opposed to definitely. But then you get somebody because there's wear and tear it and it's going to wear you, and it's going to tear you because like Sony undertaker it's both high sockets, right, right. But then it's like, you know, he's got new knees, new hips, new, whatever, because it's just from doing that. It's like you don't have to do a fucking moon salt off the balcony into of, you know, bed of snakes type that are on fire. I will pay to see that. But because I mean you get you get like, you know, like. I don't know. Like Nick Bach, winkle. He was a guy back in the seventies and eighties, maybe even sixties but seventies navy's for sure. And then you know, that's not. Swan dives on the concrete era. Yeah, no. But then he's a guy is just from wrestling and doing what they do just a very standard style. And then you know, he winds up when when he's an old man, like he doesn't remember anything who anybody is stuff like that. You know, even Jim Knight heart that was the case with him. It's just it's, it's a rough rough deal. Guess we all got to do something, but y'all, Amy got to do something. But then there are other guys that it's just like the shit that they do like fucking. Like Tanaka still fucking out there still at it, and this is a guy him and Mike awesome every fucking night. Just obliterating each other. Just the most brutal outrageous unnecessary hardcore matches that you can imagine. Then he's fit as a fiddle. You never know the uncertainty is the most uncertain thing about the thing that is uncertain. While sure words you've ever wrestling Marty. Yeah. Yeah, he's just are you ready for this? What Vince is favorite wrestler? Yeah, will Osprey. Oh my God. Can you fucking believe it? He's just doing that to fuck with my asked him. I said, are you fucking with me? And he said, no, it's legit and quite a cliffhanger for next week. What of we're gonna hear his full explanation? Oh, well, he might be. I'm gonna make this about me. I think he's doing this system with me. Man. Who's your favorite wrestler. Martis. Carl. Oh, really? Oh, right on. Yeah, he's just he's great. Don't miss him. He's fucking great. And if you listen to this show and you haven't like seen him or whatever, he does not look like what you think you'll look like? He's on a huge guy, but man, that guy fills a fucking arena with that personality. I just love him. I don't. I'd have to look at the documentation, but I don't know if he had been my favorite wrestler previous, but it is funny. Like when he came out it was one of those things to where I was like. I remember like when he first showed up, I was just like I was so ardently like I will boo the bad guy. I will cheer the good guy. There is no in between. He's the villain. I must boo him. He's, he's telling me his villain, which is still something I, you know, wherever the hill is, I love Poon the shut out of the hill. Yeah. But like with Marty is just like. He was. It was just I was like, God, this guy is so fun even when he's being a piece of shit. Yeah, breaking opponents fingers. Other factors do that. We still haven't figured it out. I wonder if there's so many do with his mouth. He's got his fingers just. You may have a way of doing it. So you know, look with style who knows. Who knows at all. Right. We're ready to close up shop. Yeah, we're going to continue online. I got hit the roads. At Sidley tutoring screaming, find my brother or at Sibley, both Twitter, Instagram. Right. Where's the oldest bone? It's common Bank and some apps. Yeah, this is Matt McCarthy dot com. Go to my social media at McCarthy, redhead, all forms of social media and. Oh, well, last night last night was the Andre, the giant roast. At the comedy store. Hopefully you came and enjoyed it tonight. I will be at the black rabbit rose for the comedians comedians cinema club. We're doing hocus pocus come check that out and rush the Saturday dynasty typewriter. 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The Fear Inoculum of Adam Jones

Talk Is Jericho

1:20:51 hr | 1 year ago

The Fear Inoculum of Adam Jones

"Ricco off ricco rico all right welcome to talk is jericho. It's the thunder and rock and roll and the rock returns to talk is jericho with a tool guitar player. Adam jones very mysterious tool. Adam jones makes this podcast debut right. Here and talk is jericho this is the first podcast is ever done on on the eve of tools fifth album released in there i in thirteen years fear inaugurum comes up friday august thirtieth the same day that special deluxe limited addition version of the album cd as well the our work in packaging for the special version were designed and directed by my guest today adam jones the limited edition fear innocuous oculus has a foreign chargeable screen that comes with exclusive video footage a charging cable to watch speaker in thirty six page booklet. What else would you expect from the geniuses geniuses behind tool right and you're going to hear exactly where the creative visual side of adam comes from he's talking about his love of horror movies special effects and makeup guitar wrestling all those things he's also talking about the first time he met singer maynard james kinne how they convinced drummer danny carey to join the band and what it was like growing up in libertyville illinois with tom morello hello from rage against the machine they were high school friends and tom's mom was actually adams own room teacher would a super group that would be and wait till you hear who else grew up in liver libertyville as well. Oh very crazy. It's a very secretive rock and roll town. Let's get to dr player. Adam jones from tool made possible by our friends at boost mobile caboose mobile the switch that gives you more and here's adam jones and fear inaugurum and tool on talk is jericho <music>. This is one thing about having a podcast and having mutual friends is that <hes> for years i've heard adam jones from tool big wrestling fan and <hes> and we passed like two ships in the night once in a while but really have never met and these are my favorite types of shows when you sit down with somebody and we can get to know each other on air and so this is cool because you said this is your first podcast you've ever done. This is my first podcast ever and i think i'm <hes> i'm kind of getting myself into trouble because there's so many people have asked me you know eddie truck of course e._s. Come to my podcast so now he's gonna like you. Did jericho's do mine well. He's got he's got a sammy hager on like fifteen times and i can't get sammy so royal agent. Adam jones for sammy hagar go. I'll see what i can do but that's that's. The thing i think is right now. Especially with tool and you know your first record in in in years and the huge reaction for inaugurum <hes> now do will once again. It's like you forget how big of a band you guys are because you haven't had a record while even though he's still touring and playing were you expecting to have such a huge is reaction to to all of this has been going on. Yes absolutely i it. It's it's been too long and i it's just what kinda reaction. No positive or negative rain. I mean for the most part is it's been very very positive. In <hes> we have <hes> desist incredible fan base. That can't be explained. <hes> you know it's other bands will come and see our band and they'll be on site station. They just go. I don't get this and i go. I don't either you know you know. Little bit. Radio is mostly word of mouth and like i said it's just it's just passionate people but i think it's the thing that we take very serious and we just put our complete hearts into and i think that's <hes> people see that and they appreciate that i mean that's what i appreciate about the arts <hes> how far someone takes something you know in you can tell l. you get very passionate. Compared to like you know <hes> my wife's a painter. I'm an artist on the side and <hes> knee-jerk artists and <hes> i always competed <hes> compared to like kind of turn a century oil painting which i really like a lot you know john singer sargent and others and <hes> <hes> these guys they had a trade and there's not there's no radio and this is what they did for a living and you know they got up. They did it they. They had launched they did they painted and they went to bed and they did this every day so it's it's you know it's a traded it. There's a lot of passionate you can see in the the painting the experience and how much this person's like kind of tearing themselves up inside to do something and you know i think that's i think that's twit the fans. Get out of us. 'cause you know we really do. We're very passionate about what we do. You know we just kinda. Don't take ourselves seriously. You always he's very unique. Tool sounds like nobody else. <hes> the your song structures. The temperature changes the length of the song. I was reading somewhere that that the document it is the first the longest song to ever be in the billboard top one hundred eleven minutes which is incredible but i think fans expect that and they love it. It's almost like a modern day. Rush vibe to me yeah. We're rush is so out of the blue weird but millions of people love them because of that and you kind of have that vibe. I think it's an excellent excellent algae and you know they're. I can't say who my favorite band has but you know if i had to. They would be helping that category. They're incredible and yeah. They did cut it. Just you know break the rules of radio and and especially the time it's different now and i think you know to have a ten minute song. We can get get away with that now. Just in the way of you know social media. It's not in the old days we would song were never radio friendly so they would ask us to edit the song so he'd edited down to you know five minutes or four and a half minutes and then we send it to radio and then they would edit it when we gave them to edit so now he just put it out out that radio do whatever they want with because they're going to do what they want with it anyway so it's <hes> there's nothing worse than having those edits to remember when sweet child of mine i came out like knocking about eighty seven eighty eight whenever it was they had a radio edit once in a while they'll still play that on classic rock radio or like the jack f._m. And you're like it just doesn't sound right. It's like you know oh. It's this shitty radio edit. You don't touch it. Yeah just play it. You know yeah any it leaves a bad taste or mouth and it's also that kind of like oh. You needed more commercial all time but that's what pays the bill. You know we try to play the game but the game is played after we're done writing after we're done recording and once the records ready to put out we try to <hes> get together and and <hes> experiment and write stuff that we're proud of and again it's it's that you know oh suffering for your art and to me. It's reflective process that people see that and i think that's why our fans are so passionate in home. I agree with you on that. I think once again that you're talking about also to releasing all of your back catalogue which is like i just once again the top ten songs on the billboard rock charts charts or all tool so i i got a stray off the conversation. 'cause i just want people to know like <hes> under huge wrestling fan and <hes> i grew up with it and i still all enjoy it. It's it's the one thing that makes me feel like a kid. You know that like the thing where you just feel safe and something you love as a kid and you can't get enough enough of and it's so weird to be sitting in the same room with you could never predict that senior on stage and on coming down the ramp and you're in multi sequence jack <hes> thank you for that. I really appreciate all the entertainment you of it's it's always cool to me. When you meet somebody who's very successful. Who has the i guess the an appreciation for your you work and you and i get it all the time from different people and i give it as well. I was in the airport yesterday. I'm not a big football guy but this guy came up to because he was jeremy was herschel walker. Oh how everyone knows that guy's smokes like do not really like and just you just mutual respect scher four people that have made themselves in their chosen pashto worked hard and nissan had this thing burning inside them to you know right you know grow and develop and and now they're one of the few lucky ones who are doing. It professionally actually getting paid so yeah. It's yeah it's kind of nod of like oh. Oh you're lucky too and i'm lucky to saying for me like being being a fan of tool and also to by proxy being a fan of yours because i've heard word for everybody how great of a guy you aren't and that sort of thing and also is true. Says has a musician as well to be top. Ten spots like that's key does he did do stuff like that do you. Did you even think about that or i pinch myself. All the time you know <hes> we were in berlin just recently. We did a european tour during the festivals and moore really good friends with the ramstein guys <hes> kristof the drummer came to her show in berlin and <hes> we were talking you know he has two two boys. I have two boys and and he was looking at pictures of art of my kids. I have my my road case and he was just getting a little emotional. I go you're right and he goes. You know we have great lives. We were doing what we liked to do. Ooh and we have families and were successful and and a he started crying and i started crying and it was true. It's just you know pinching being herself and so when the fans reach out. I try to be that guy to go. Thank you and you know have something to say to them and and you know i just want them to know that it's huge. It's huge you know without them. There's not me and under the luckiest guy in the world no so i get that <hes> you know i've i've like you said i've met people. I was like oh i. I don't listen to your music and i don't know if i'd particularly like it. You know or or what you do <hes> <hes> you know congrats on yours yes and and i admire all you had to do to get here and it is a lot you know it's it's talent and luck but the talents silence the you know i mean document wrestling like just you guys really suffer. I mean just the drives and you know you're hurt word and then you're gonna do another show and you gotta drive to the next place and not your bus in wrestling yeah. You know it's it's it's <hes> it's just ultimate and you feel that you know it's you know my friends that you know i go. Oh you know wrestling's fake and i always go no. That's just what kids you know and then i go come does show with me. You know i think it's there. I can't compare what you guys do to any other sport i mean the mount of physical i i don't know commitment and and getting hurt and i gotta do the next thing in guys like i'm fine. I'm ready to doing that because i love what they're doing and they're suffering for their art. Oh you know well as because there is no other form of entertainment. Shall we say like wrestling because wrestling. It's neither fish nor fowl. I always say <hes> does is not sport. It's not show business. It's somewhere in the middle is very much blurring lines between the two <hes> so what do you compare it to nothing. You know people. We'll say what is what is what's the deal with. How how does it work. It's like it's not like anything else. When you understand that is when you get a true appreciation for what it would the progressing housing business is because like you said it is a lot of driving yourself and you know getting your hotel rooms and all this stuff so i love going onto authority. I have to do anything mature. Magic is scheduled for the day. They make it to the bus on time right off on time and do my gig. The rest is gravy. We call the wait to wait. Wait to on the bus. Wait to go to the way to do this. Wait for soundcheck weight right but it's nice nice being <hes> you don't you don't pay quartered. You know you don't get paid for the gig. You get paid for the waiting. Yeah yeah yeah yeah. That's the thing and then you get home. You call down for towels and your wife says we take the garbage out. What do you do right right right yeah and and that's the kind of the life on the road compared to to the to the rock star you know <hes> life and then the home life absolutely you mentioned too much of a wrestling fan. You are on this talk. What how you got into the business but i want to say thanks to boost mobile. One of the fine talk is jericho sponsors making this episode possible if you haven't switched to boost mobile. This is what you're missing. Check it out a super reliable super fast nationwide network so you can connect almost anywhere with us. All you get with boost. There's so much more you'll also get get four lines for one hundred dollars a month with limited gigs for data talk and text and when you've got a family like i do and everyone's on their phones all the time unlimited gigs is a must plus with boost. You get four free l._g. Stilo phones for the whole family ever gets hooked up with a cool smartphone. Everyone is plenty of data talk. Text watch videos movies stra music and of course keep up with all the social media posting and boost will not break your budgets to be the hero in your family switch to boost because boost mobile is the switch that gives you more offers in coverage not available everywhere free phone requires port in additional terms and conditions apply alive visit boost mobile dot com now or your nearest retailer now for details on how you can become a part of the boost mobile family. Now you mentioned novon how much you will wrestling fan. You're wearing callahan shirt which is great. I'm sasha before does <hes> this is. This is the best he's going on. What did you how did you start getting interested in from chicago and it's progress yeah yeah i grew up in libertyville which four thirty forty minutes north chicago and <hes> you know i'm the youngest of three and my sisters twelve years older than me and my brother's five years older within me and <hes> i kind of discovered things through them but mostly <hes> those things i might my own you know just the like the things they weren't into into and the reason i think it was channel forty four which is a u._h._f. Channel in chicago at the time head local wrestling and they they had roller derby and i love the roller derby because it was it was chicks you know and i didn't have a lot of experience with women and women like crap out of each other. Oh can i swear it's satellite. You're in tool dude. You can do all right. That's true that's true. I'm gonna get a t shirt of that yeah <hes> but <hes> yeah i just ahead this fixation and i just kind of woke up you know to this thing and it is a real is a fake you know it must be no always it's real and and and in those days the guys used to lead you. There's a lot of blood so i was just like oh. This is this is this is like incredible you know what is this and <hes> just started getting the characters and then necessarily branching out to the other organizations and <hes> i've just been a fan ever since yes i kind of fell out of it for a while but still had the hidden interest and then decide this rediscovery so i just try to follow as much as i can as much as the <hes> as i have time for like i said before it really does bring me this satisfaction and this piece and yes. I read comic books. I <hes> i play my guitar. I go see movies. I love like any movie. My friends hate it 'cause it's my friends are all jade and there's like oh yeah. I hated that movie. I liked it's better than my movie. You know and i just pretend i'm twelve because when i was twelve i liked everything i can't tell you. How many like crappy be films. Y'all have all the hammer horror movie. My friends are like those are terrible. You know they're they're crazy back then like for me. I would watch all the but you have to stay up at night. Oh yeah my mom would let me watch them. I think it was gonna friday night but then i would have to go to sleep late ten at night and then set my alarm wake up at midnight to go downstairs to watch whatever the horror or how you sneak down watch yeah committee. You couldn't just go and get it online and watch it on your phone or you had to go downstairs. It can happen yeah yeah yeah we we had a creature features and and <hes> chicago we had spent guli. Oh yeah yeah single great. It's all be who he's still alive. He he he is he. He passed it on to this other guy. Who does it now <hes> <hes> he was the son is van golly and then the the original svengali finally just went. You know what you're you're doing great. Just take it now. He's a new spin on my you know my five year old likes that. It's very and this was get yet. In every city would have their own horror v weekly horror. Movie host was actually l. vira. That's where she started. Okay yeah spiritual in chicago and zoya had the creature fees. Yes yes so that that was my take and <hes> when when i was a kid and it was the original span guli. He showed stuff late at night. I'd stay up on saturday saturday night and he'd show stuff that was not appropriate for kids like what lake <hes> that's where i i saw neither living dead. Oh i was little i remember going over this. This is gonna mess up watching it black and white but the people get eaten the whole style but they didn't edit it. You know and i this other things where they're doing. Brain transplant and cutting people's heads open and loose hammer films pretty intense violence. I still watch them so i still really enjoying christopher. Lee's one of my favorites and <hes> peter cushing was the other guy was yeah and christopher lee. Do you notice i think i'm right about this that he's been in more movies than any other actor really believe that's true he just recently passed away yeah because he was in the star wars movies cow duk-keun all that and tim burton jordan brought him back and had them in a lot of his films and <hes> and his lord of the rings yeah yeah yeah yeah great actor great actor and the hammer fizzle also super hot chicks to almost falling out. You're like oh please edwin yeah. That's cool yeah. Well yeah. Well you impression on you as a kid yeah yeah. I've always tried to hold on to that so i'm just i'm just this nerd who plays guitar and i just you know just kind kind of do it my way my rules and and that's the same thing with tool you know it's. It's you know the four four of us are all very different and and i think you know we can't do what we do without the the four of us. You know it's just it's just this weird click and i'm really thankful that and and it's magical and so when when you and we'll talk more about wrestling and and and all the stuff we just got to but now you mentioned tool when you started needed the band's. Did you find your fame and fortune sort of thing or did you have a lead that tool of starting a coming i just i grew up in. I don't were you grew up. Where's your winnipeg canada. God okay no. I mean not a bad place. No the i'm sure the winters reasoning yeah yeah and my mom said i used to when i was a little a little kid. She said i used to go. Why do we live here. What do people live here. Yes go wide. I say so cold in the winners and and so i kinda grew to really hate that bitter lake michigan cold and everything i was into came from los angeles the movie business <hes> you know skating thing you know vans <hes> just the culture so at a very early age i was like oh i wanna live there some day. You must be a palm tree and at some point i just decided decided to move out <hes> my sister lives in san francisco so i rolled into san francisco and i was always kind of <hes> playing in bands on the side doing makeup effects on the side nokia yeah and and so but i didn't have that confidence like i'm not good enough. My i could never do it professionally and there was some point where <hes> i think i'd i'd. I had heard something rick. Baker said he was talking interview and emma's makeup artist famous makeup artist and in and i really admire him and and he just interviewed totally inspired me to go all right. I'm going to try it and so you know i'd had pictures the stuff i had done in but my parents had kind of their schools that are like you know. You can't get a job without a degree you know and you need the experience so i looked into taking a training course in los angeles so that's why i moved down was to learn for affects yeah right yeah i took this course and and i actually ended up really liking it because they taught <hes> straight makeup theater makeup beauty makeup runway make-up's <hes> theatrical and i didn't know how to do any of that i was into to sculpting and making monsters and so it it it taught me how to paint better. It made things more three dimensional <hes> i was more valuable and i learned that the more i know oh the more i'm valuable to who i work sure yeah and then you know i just <hes> i played in bands on the side and <hes> actually live with tom morello. I'm i moved there. Yeah i slept on just roundly or did you know no no. Tom and i grew up together really yeah. Tom's mom was my homeroom teacher mary morello she's the coolest lady eighty you'd ever make yes thing is that you get to guys who basically reshape guitar in the nineties and two thousand yeah it's weird i mean really like to be honest and and and <hes> marine herman <hes> she was in babes in toyland yeah she was a year younger me at my school. You're all friends. Cheese and tom rarely used to like in the ninety. Say you know they say oh yeah a crunch from seattle and he goes both in the next big sounds from libertyville. You must right. It's like this slash and flea going to the same high school fairfax down the road like same grade like yeah. What are the chances of like not just one guy but two hall of famers in probably two famous for you in libertyville involved place and tom just very inspiring. Just you know growing up his very animated in <hes>. I always thought he'd be like this actor. He was very good at yeah very well-spoken yeah yeah and <hes> he did the best intro speech for the hall of fame ever for kiss ever seen that i haven't google it. It's like you can go and punch somebody. In the faces huge fan yeah just the way he talks to the wage enunciates like yeah great great talker he was in a lot of plays and <hes> <hes> <hes> i remember they had this ban and terrible called the electric sheep but they were just it was fun. You know there was no you know. Concerns turns of being signed or you know how important it is or is going to be playing high school band high school band and at some point <hes> they needed <hes> bass player player and i had grown up playing violin makes and then <hes> in high school. I started playing bass because they didn't have a bass player so i can read trouble and bass cloth but i was played guitar on the side. I'm self taught and <hes> is it. Just it's just amazing to me now. How you know how much tom sucked at that moment when i met him him and how he's just like no one can touch them. <hes> just i saw him all style and just i saw him playing with springsteen. Oh yeah when he played the gig van or if he's still in the springsteen's band and all these you know fifty five year old businessman you know boss fans which was like this guy because he was doing the solos but doing the morello's shit through springsteen's weirdest mix but the best thing ever like you said just amazing the way that he played yeah he he will you know we're both really influenced by <hes> eighties metal and and <hes> among other things but you know an eighties metal like every guitar player after eddie van halen went. Oh i've got to have some. I'm kind of gimmick right. You know so you guys doing this or you. Had you know remember. Michelangelo had yeah. I know four next jammie next and then he had four nam this year right <hes> rudy sars amazing. Yes amazing crazy training. You had the double thing and just like just rocking out is he's playing the double soul and the both sides of the damn guitar yeah there was a gimmick but yet so he had always had gimmicks what they did you know the <hes> remember the with the bass player's name he's to play behind his back from abend and billy sheehan oh billy sheehan. It's not billy sheehan <hes> sorry. I'm just having a fart. Tom and i went to go see inveigh mom stain. Ah and we drove down chicago and i can't i'll never forget it but billy sheen's opened tallus talents. You'd i love you <hes> so you know little little little all oliver's base and then invade comes out and he's the only only a little guitar guitar spinning the guitar on just the guy can own owning a gimmick but he he's got his and then at the end of the show billy's band comes out an inveigh and they all play about three or four four more songs together so they're both going a little. It's a magical incredible. I was in australia in perth just walked into a hotel the beach to you think we're waiting for our rooms or something in the bar. There's inveigh and it's how the hundred degrees out. It's it's a beach town. It's two o'clock in afternoon. Dude the full on leather pants pirate scher medallion giant hair makeup and i'm like oh of course invade is going to look like that on the beach at two in the the afternoon. You know what i mean he wasn't he wasn't successful in his music. He probably be dressing like that anyway. Yeah exactly it's just has somewhere to think of airport and i'm not guy like you know. I hesitate to doing this. I just it's sometimes hard meeting your heroes <hes> you know and sometimes if i get that consent like justin roberts right right sure and mutual mutual friends but sometimes you know we have you ever met. An old wrestler went off bob such a hero and it didn't go well. They weren't nice to you and they were doing something else and so i always tried to kind of you know give my heroes their space unless us like i know it's there approachable. I know it's okay <hes> so i did not go up to him. Dude i love you see that enriched from vase is is the same type of guy because there was a mouse. Come on. I know i know do you come on yeah yeah. Sometimes you need the the bridge to help you get there yeah yeah she said you're influenced by eighties heavy metal but i also here's something else and you're playing adam and we'll talk about that. After i tell you you how i treat my muscle pain and soreness after enemy workouts and fauzi gigs and even a e w matches we've got a big one this saturday jericho versus hangman page all <music> out in chicago live on pay per view but after those big matches i grabbed my c._d. Lion lotion and rub it on wherever it hurts. I know what you're thinking because he used to think to. I was skeptical. 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I really appreciate that because you know it's it's <hes> i think it's their subconsciously you know <hes> <hes> dan justin and i <hes> all of music training but like justin's is kind of just you know him playing and dan and i were part of a band <hes> dan was you know the guy in the back of the band doing different kinds of percussion in his grade school and high school days and <hes>. I played like i said violin and up until high school. I played stamps so dan and i definitely have that <hes> imbedding that you're part of this huge group and you know this this is what's needed as a whole and you learn you know <hes> you know ver- abroad intonation and and up bowing down boeing and and just all the <hes> the contouring <hes> of music every word yeah and and so i think that's it really helped me with you know telling a story with <hes> our videos with <hes> making the music xavier you you know you're on this journey or <hes>. It's like a film soundtrack. <hes> you know and you're taking someone by the hand and you're leading them. <hes> it's great. It's it's great guitar players. <hes> i noticed especially in trio like to my favorite bands. We've mentioned russia. I love the police as well and license and in andy summers are kind of the two guys that don't get as much credit in the band's sure and they're playing is so varied and there's so much shading and like if you listen to lay synchronicity to there's there's you know an eight bar solo break but he doesn't solely just make some sounds in his guitar which fits this story. That sting is telling. I just love those type of guitar player exactly and you have that feel yeah. I can tell you're fans of them as well. It's yeah it's it's <hes>. It's that discipline. <hes> you know yeah. You're talking about the discipline. You're talking about like i said it all relates back to me from what you're saying from from violin annals the fact that you're fan yeah police yeah yeah when you started tool was your mindset. <hes> i got you dude was your mindset on like i wanna do something never been done before or did you guys just sit down jamming. All this stuff appeared like i guess no one knows like that. It's like asking stephen king ideas from amount ask you that but how did the tool sound come to be because it is very unique from almost any other band. It's it's very strange strange. 'cause i met maynard you know he moved out to l. A. and through mutual libertyville friends you know <hes> tom morello and a bunch of other other people that are you know still all hang out together. Mater was dating this girl from libertyville and that's how he and i met and we just hit it off. Instantly the rock and roll center edge of the universe then it is and it's it's it's it's underground secret <hes> but he and i like hit it off like just you know driving his car listening metallica and watching italian horror movies and it's great yeah as alan and he's he's also just the person who is very driven and that's this thing i realized like i have always done really great things because i kinda surrounded myself with people who are motivated people who you are heroes and just kind of feed off that you know and and it makes me wanna work harder and do what i do better and in and maynard's one of those people he's. He's just whatever he's doing. He's gotta do it right <hes> and he's got his own kind of structures from the army or if that's just kinda you you know or something you know off about his personality but i i really got off on that and <hes> at some point you know <hes> we had talked about just goofing around with music and i had no idea he could sing and we were friends with all the green jello people like is to help the green jello people in the day you know <hes> that these costumes and to dry type vibrate was that green <unk> guar type yes yes yes yes but more like saturday morning cartoons cereal commercial. Was there tuned you know they. They're bigger with three little little big big. Let me yes maynard oh here yeah so he had joined that he had met those guys through me and i had i had you know done makeup effects for so long and worked on movies and so i was like their hero because they were finding at these you know cat piss couches and taking the foam and carving the phone foam and making these costumes i was like no no no you can do a sculpture cast dan their two part foam and painted like this and <hes> so it at some point you know number talking about. Let's start a band. That'd be fun just to you no mess around. We had some other friends and and then just slipped me this tape and he goes yeah. Check this out. You know something. I was doing back. In michigan again knows like okay and it was a ban he was in and i put it onto my hair on my arms and i was like you can sane mannered. You can sing and and he knew it. He knew what he just doesn't have the confidence. I think to kind of go yeah. I'm a good singer or band kind of started out like this. Just you know just for fun. Just this therapy band so we started jamming and we started <hes> trying to find people to jam with us and in those days it was really hard. The glam medal was kinda. Just at its tail in his late eighties then or eighty nine yeah yeah and and kind of you know more like you know really really underground sound started coming out which i would say is kinda grunt now and and <hes> to me all that kind of stemmed from the melvin the melvin were the were this band never like metal but they were just like just their own rules and and it's just crazy a big huge fan melvin king buzz. Oh king buzzer i. I love the solar homes they did. The stolen actually invited him to this really i did i did. He's today's his last rehearsal. Oh it's like we have to rehearse because i'll do it another their time is he or is he a wrestling fan he is. He's not like me gotcha like me but <hes> <hes>. He's a really cool guy. We're we're both kids john. My our wives always kind of refer refer to us as the juvenile delinquent. What are they doing right now. But <hes> so the point it was when we started tool. We weren't trying to get signed and it was really hard finding other people to jam with because like i said you know when you look through i don't know in your day but looking through this you know like the the listings. It was like you know oh. I'm into radom into this. I'm into that and and and so is all kept jamming with these guys that were very pretty who had hairsprayed harold to here and <hes> really nice jeans tucked in cowboy. I believe and i'm not making fun of that. It's just that's the era and it's big influence on me and and but we just weren't connecting and <hes> through green jello <hes> maynard they moved into this big space and it was by were danny carey lived and danny carey <hes> it was a commercial space in danny carey was one of the two drummers in green jello each really at greenvale had two guitar players to bass players in two drummers and they had like sixty people in there yeah and just great marinescu see that was amazing saw them in hamburg in ninety-three really shelia to change it from jello to jelly for <hes> they got they got sued but he will long story short is we kept asking danny to jam with us and at that time dan was in like he was in a couple of tv bands which are bands that they they'll be filming a like a sitcom and the t._v. Ban will play between this shots to keep the the audience. Audience warmed up yeah yeah. It's cool and you know he was studio owing. He was doing <hes> couple thing he like. He was he played. Carole king's record ownership yeah. He's he's amazing as you number. <hes> you really is and then he was in three different bands. He was in green jello. He was in pygmy love circus or or i don't know all the bands he was in so the story goes when <hes> maynard night <hes> maynard or call me because hey the drummer from autograph. It's gonna jam with us autographed draft of course her not. I agree the dame on that guy. Kenny richards is that and <hes> i. I'm assuming it's him and <hes> and we're really excited so we were jamming. At danny's studio networth green jello people would play danny lettuce jam there and <hes> the the guy blew us off. Oh yeah he didn't show up and <hes> so we've been asking dan to jam with us. It was like there were like dan. Come on. This guy blew us off. Just walk in the next room like all right. I'll do one time you know any jan does and then he was like hey we should do this again. You know and it was really incredible l. and <hes> and then we found <hes> poltimore he was a friend of a friend of mine and he had moved down from seattle and he was like really good guitar player but he was. He said he was just totally sick of playing guitar and wanted to play bass like okay. Let's jam because we need a bass player but he kind of played the bass guitar when he was kinda cool like corden and and so that's that's how it started in like i said we weren't we all had day jobs. You know doing makeup effects. I was making more money. I'd ever made that time. You know <hes> working for stan winston studios it. Has you ever do anything in any movies or oh yeah yeah. I worked on terminator two predator. Nobody say you and can really yeah you. What are you doing on it. <hes> well whatever they need me to do. It goes back to the thing of saying you know the more. I knew the malleable i was so i could do mechanics. I could make molds that could run a poly foam. I could pain. I can apply make-up's you know great and i sculpt and so it was great. Just you know being that guy that they could go. Oh <hes> we need to move over here or stop doing that and also i had this. I had the attitude between messing around that i was very serious but but not attached i called dedicated but not now where you know. They'll ask you to do something in three days and you go okay. That's not a lot of time but i do it and you do it in three days and they come up and go <hes>. It's kind of sucks you well. You want it in three days. Gonna go spend another day on it. That's what i'm saying. It's commodity gotcha. It's someone it stands name over over the next door and <hes> so i was really good at that and <hes> <hes> really enjoyed that and then there was some point where we got signed as a the band and we laughed. We laughed so hard when we got our first record offer because we were just like what we because we thought you know like in dr people in record people are not really a lot of times have their pulse. I mean some of them. Do have their pulse on what's happening but most of them don't it's just this business thing and it's a lot of old guys with ponytails and <hes> and <hes> so <hes> you know we it started with one and then it turned into three three and then we kind of went. Oh maybe we should do this and i think it went up to seven or nine because once you know like a kind of a few of the major record record labels were approached someone the all the gal sure of course you know they know some we don't know and so that's when we started taking it seriously going okay well. Let's try this you know <hes> and then i was i was and i don't know which movie i was working at drastic park how sculpting dinosaurs jurassic park and i went to my bosses and my foreman and i said <hes> i want to go do this and they were like yeah. Go dude dude. You can always come back right and then my my other <unk> other guys. I know who were just you know. Its end all be all doing what they're doing. They just thought oh yeah go. Screw up your life out of rockstar and it you you know it. It really worked out but it worked because we you know we did things are way. Tom helped me out a lot with you. Know talking about the business already signed china the he was signed he was in this band called lockup and he was like the best thing and the ban you know just amazing guitar player and then he he moved onto the rage and so two and rage kind of came up at the same time and then you know green jello and other bands that we knew we kind of learn from their mistakes on what they did and the one thing we learned. Was you know if we took less money. We got more control. <hes> and the people signing sinus thought that was great. I signed span for no money but they can't make a move without us. You know we have we have that <hes> artistic freedom. Am i talking too. Much was the pod. I guess you'd better be tackled ask you i seem to remember. Have you used any of your your skills for tool videos absolutely anima. It's the there's a kind of eraserhead type thing going on that little guy. There's definitely that influence <hes> david lynch big hero ram the the yeah just early on you know <hes> we did a video. We had no money. It's called hush shot in one day. This concept maynard halladay was it was really fun but but i could really see how money's just completely waste right. You know and i mean down to craft services. Were get your food while you're shooting and they have you know fifteen different kinds of nuts and just you don't need all that story. I want to put the money back into your art and get the best quality thing and it's always kind of been our our motto is just you know what would we want. We want more than our money's worth so you have a quality t. shirt. You have a quality c._d. Cd you have equality dish. Oh exactly and and try and take it as far as you can suffer art <hes> but yeah the that part of it too is really help. I mean maynard had that side to him to <hes> he was he was working for some pet chain like pet supply chain but he was also doing set addressing and he was really good at it. You know we're making a sad or you know what goes in this and so he has this very artistic side <hes> so that <hes> has really helped us kind of moved into our own director own videos and and having our own vision and <hes> you know i was talking about emphasis like david lynch. I think the biggest one is is quote brothers. <hes> if you haven't seen the quote brothers look them up on youtube brothers. I think they go by and you'll go. Oh aw films that they do. I i've seen it. They do a lot of <hes> like independent films there. You know very very experimental surrealist animators older twins. I think they're from philadelphia but they live in <hes> england and <hes> when you do things that you were when you emulate your heroes. You know you kinda copy what they do and and that's what we did. We tried to be like them as much as possible. You know i. I remember seeing one of their first. I films like in the late eighties and it destroyed me in the way of like. It was so good but i just went. This is what i wanna. Do i have to get into this kind the stuff i have to you know whatever i'm doing has to lead to doing something like those preservers this freedom this conscious subconscious kind of approach i to filmmaking and it was all there's i mean they have their own influences from <unk> shrank meyer and you know i can't remember their all the guys but there's this german german guy in the turn of the century. His stop motion is amazing. A german is russian guy but my point is that was there was no school. Well like there is now i mean you could probably take a course on them at some animation young less but at the time that was our school we were learning from these these guys and we're trying to emulate our heroes. <hes> you know and so you know each video we kinda you know just kind of broke away from that influence but but it's it's <hes> <hes> you can go back to it and use it at any point in time these skills that you have yeah yeah. Let's that's the point. Is you know kind. Kinda opens doors for you and and <hes> like i said this band thing has just been great down to it. It's not so much hands on anymore. You know as you you know you hire the right people and and there's so many amazing amazing artists out there. They could never if you did you see the wall that whole stage show is just one of the most incredible things i've ever seen. Everybody working on that production was genius that whatever it was they were doing absolutely hire the best apple and you let them off their leash you know and and <hes> <hes> you know the you know. The stage show and the movie was just mind blowing yeah. Let's get back into wrestling album and what you like to watch nowadays but i i got an update everyone on my latest deal dash adventure so no i didn't win the sony playstation four auction last week but came pretty damn close down to me and one other bidder so if you haven't been following along deal dash is auction site where bids start at zero dollars that's right zero bucks and right now you can go to deal dash dot com use use the promo code jericho and get one hundred biz with your first bid back purchase and do what i did. 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I just is like at all but like i said it's just been what i've had time for since i've had my kids and i know you know exactly what i'm talking about you know ice to <hes> going tour in you know have raw and smackdown tivo and then i just binge it you know and catch up. Tell my friends not to tell me what's going on and and and <hes> but now i've i've fallen a lot. I fallen out of it but i just i i love it. All i really do. I you know i. I try to go as much as i can. When it's you know in town or it's convenient <hes> and you're talking about all companies all companies now yeah. I mean if if i had to pick one i picked w._w._e. Because they kind of cover everything everything and it's and and it's just been the amount of entertainment has just been mind blowing that i've been exposed a two through them and just <hes> it's amazing but i i do like you know <hes> near the indy wrestling like the backyard wrestling i like <hes> you know the the lucia you know the japanese. You know whatever i can kind of you know get a taste of it. It's exciting you know and and even learning you. You know <hes> that there's a difference between you know like in the old days of you know american wrestling in british wrestling which i never knew finding that out is it's wonderful and just just the entertainment characters friends ago. Oh man you know watch m._m._a. Or watch that's real and i go yeah but none of those guys taylor guy's girlfriend or hit him with a ladder backstage or you know. There's nothing yet. None of that has any merit with with me when people say that because it's like okay it's it's not real okay well. Every movie that we go and see is not real exactly. The luther was once upon a time in hollywood. Do not be great movie not real. I know obviously some some of the events even that's not real but i don't care. I walk out of the brad. Pitt is is is the toughest book cliff cliff. Booth is the toughest mother in the world. The caprio is great like we know it's not real but you get involved in the story and envelopes union grosses. You isn't it. That's entertainment yes you. You know you put that aside that it's not real but you go watch the show and enjoy it. Yeah i mean i i. I had a friend of mine who came over to the house and he was just talking. Edna said okay check this out and it was <hes> i remember who randy orton was fighting but someone clocked you probably remember clocked randy orton with the bell and his head started gushing blood and he just turned around he just had this like evil smile and they went. That's real or this guy getting thrown out the ring and they don't catch him. That's real these guys. These are putting or every bump that you take the doesn't go wrong israel yeah. It's you know it's passion again. It's it's that you know how how far arta push something and that's what i mean. It's it's intense entertainment. He known and i just like i said and it's on every level like where you can you. You know my five year old could watch it or you know someone you know an adult could watch it and and get something out of it her someone just wants to perv on some girl in a small outfit outfit throwing i. I don't know modern-day roller derby. Yes yes exactly. What's the last wrestling show that you went to you remember p._w._g. Okay okay so tell me about that pro wrestling guerrilla. It's it's a lot about that out here. Would i have people come out here. Everyone talks about it stands out. It's i go to a lot of indie shows. Was i like them but it's my favorite <hes> it's my favorite they used to have it in <hes> reseda in like <hes> all my friends are gonna get mad at me now but it was in this very small all kind of i don't wanna say shriners but community centers. It was small and i wanna save three hundred people. Maybe maybe pushing four hundred but always sold out and they sold it. They refuse to move to a bigger venue. Yes yes just because of the vibe and the crowd i would was as into it as the wrestlers and i i mean just chanting and the and it's hot in there so it just had this wonderful charisma and you know every time you went to a show. You just walked out going. Oh my god yeah it's it's it's an incredible experience and also to see these young guys getting started and and you could just see the hunger and the fire burning inside them and you know they want something bigger than this and they're just you know it could be one one person it could be ten thousand and they're wrestling exactly with as much heart as any other person you know and and <hes> and to see those guys then leave and go to something bigger you know go to ring of honor and x t or even w._w._e. Or a._w._s. yeah is exciting. It's <hes> so it's just you know my a lot of friends that draw lines. I don't draw any lines. I just i just like it. All goes back to that twelve year old. Thank you know it's better than my wrestling. You know you get in the ring and do that right our right. Yeah i mean it's one of those things too i think for p._w._g. As a fan and it's like for example like metallica came out. I was there since eighty four so i basically grew up with this band and when they got huge you feel a little pride in it because i was there yeah yeah. I think it's like that with when you start following somebody that he said in p._w._g. And then they go through the ranks of is the w champion you feel a little sense of pride because you've been following this person since they started yeah you know yeah. Just you know keith lee in and guys you matt riddle like seeing that dude who got kicked mcdonagh m._m._a. I guess for smoking and now he's killing it right. You know any end. He's good. He's deserves. It was an it's really you know it's just one example sample you know and so other than the part of loving watching wrestling is you know that kind of thing seeing these guys you admire you know step up and get more successful i would even just you know like i would like the <hes> my friend. What do you call it. The you called a dark match when they're not you're not being on the kind of like the youngest before the show starts. No no. I mean an actual like <hes> like <hes> like let me tell you about my favorite moment with you. Okay it was ah at the staple center but it was being televised right nine. Tell ya it's it could be after the show is done it might be what was what was just not being. It was just like a like a live show. They call them. Live events. Yeah used to be called shows. Okay the call y. Yeah yeah yeah. I remember when i was a kid like i. I went and saw one of the big wrestling w._c._w. Or w._f. Like <hes> <hes> in a tent in a circus tent like a small circus really yeah was it. Where was it that i remember because they used to do area but it was in the suburbs. It wasn't an only in in the sky sea cruise. It'd be an a crew a. B. crew ryan see crew really small ones right really your headlining should be like jim powers versus hercules or something is excellent guidance geico chevy microphone and you know the humidity and and we'll moment where you talk about with our legal center so it was <hes> it was an un televised match and it's just one that really stands online but but i just remember just like you were wrestling and someone from one of the upper tiers through a roll of toilet paper perhaps on land in the ring and you just stopped wrestling with the guy and he walked over and picked it up and made the guy gives you the microphone and he's going through this and it went on for like fifteen minutes andy and that ramon you you been chris jericho that was amazing but the local security were freaking out because they thought there was a riot yeah so the intensity of you doing that versus that intensity made it just like like my blood with my heart was beating on my chest because all these guys were running around and it's like like what do we do. What do we do just like and he would just take these long like almost like a minute. You wouldn't say anything and then you go. I wanna know who's your who's actually i think it was it was before the match doing kind of a little pre-match promo okay and then as a performer you love when stuff like that happens like you wish i remember thinking myself i should plant. I want somebody in the crowd to do this every night. Because it gives you so much to work with like someone through roll of toilet paper into the ring i mean how great is that you know like more because you asked for as a heel some throws demanding the name name and phone number and address did it right yeah and i won't go anywhere to to you. Tell tell me right and that's that's sorta stuff is so <hes> you just hope that you get that but there's this timing like in comedy friends. Come see jack act black and kathy griffin and david cross bob odenkirk when before they became famous had this like <hes> <hes> maynard knew this girl that <hes> they gave him a club late night on thursday nights at no one was at and they could go try comedy okay yeah without an open mic or something nobody wasn't the audience was comedians and the comedians and they could try stuff. I see just completely free of any kind of like you know. <hes> judgment meant yeah yeah and it was it was wonderful. He tried really will farrell and he's trying really experiment experimental merrill mental comedy but the thing i learned from those guys was there's this thing where it's funny and then it's not funny then it's really funny on the same thing and i thought that night with the toilet paper you just kept have to go into the part where the audience was like uncomfortable <hes> and then all of a sudden it came back and then they were laughing and they were cheering you and they were like booing you and and and that's that experienced that <hes> it goes to what you were saying. You talked about using the violin playing the guitar player or or your your visual effects experience when you put together a video or stage show. I use actually kind of one and the same for me because i i started wrestling. <hes> i wanted to be the ultimate ultimate frontman in enroll but interesting rang. I wanted to be paul stanley or david lee roth <unk> bruce dickinson freddie mercury make you name it but in the ring 'cause i was smaller than everybody else but i knew i could have the biggest personality right right and then when i started with foxy i mean i've been in band since i was thirteen years old but when we started started really going for it as a frontman i use those tricks that i learned from rusting that i learned from music because it's all about connecting with the audience right right something that that that manner enter does great even singing one tour of the sang behind a cheat the holy <hes> who could get away with that but he did because does he was so captivating you know and i think when you have that connection with the audience you can really <hes> once again as a performer. You want to make people feel uncomfortable. Make them laugh. Make comprise and be able to do that basically at your command vast as secrets that on top of <hes> live. Let me give you an example. You were talking about maynard bind behind sheet. It's this thing to. I'm sure we can relate on this. Where you want someone to remember that show right. Remember that time chris jericho's man about the toilet you know that one show and says going oh yeah it was like the last time you know you want that thing when we when we were playing out before we got signed. We made it a habit of never playing the same place twice okay because in in that day like i said the heels the hill end of a glam metal. There were so many places you could. I play <hes> but we wanted people to go. All remember that show <hes> you know even after we got signed you know we played at the church of scientology they had. We were the first act to play their artists center and <hes> so we we approach them. They went. Oh sure it was just the weirdest night. It was so weird and actually i think we we did two nights there and <hes> but people have still to this day go. I remember that show that time you play this just brilliant yeah so it's it's. There's some of that. There was at the mindset for doing i mean did he do the whole set from behind. I'm saying a curtain or sheet is behind the scene the <hes> his other hand his circle or you know he has two other bands hand. He might have freelanced but for those of us. You know no no he was he did that was really cool and i think there was kind of an you know at some point. It opened but what was cool about as you see this shadow. It's almost like this puppet kind of vibe silhouette really cool but yeah. It's a tour that you you go yeah. Remember when maynard did that right. You know let's see what adam and tool have in mind for upcoming tour you know something spectacular but first this message from our friends at nitsa who wanna i wanna remind you about the risks of driving drunk. You could get in a crash. People could get hurt or killed but first. Let's take a moment to look at some semait but first. 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If you think it's no big deal drive sober or get pulled over you got it talks jericho also sponsored by o'reilly autoparts sign up to be an old <music> rewards member today and earn one point for every dollar spent receive rewards twice as fast than on the go. When you provide your email address all rewards members members get five bucks back for every hundred fifty bucks. You spend it's fast easy and free. Only it'll reilly auto parts a reilly auto parts better parts better better prices every day. You have something in mind for this upcoming tour for fear we we do. It's it's again. It's that thing where you have this passion ocean about writing. You have this passion about recording. You don't worry about the outside world. You don't worry about how radio is going to take it or how. The fans are going to take it. It's really that the painting process and then you start going once. It's done you go okay well. You know what's what's the song you think everyone's gonna like. Our radio is gonna like so. That's how we went okay. We don't have pop tune so but this one seems the catchy as we give this one to radio so he started playing but the thing about like touring. Is you know we don't have a really cool show and put as much money into the show and have people walking away mazing but you have to see. How the record does you have to. There's a budget you know and so that's where we're at you know. What kind of see how things go on the record companies. Some wasn't so much different now like once again. I was reading that you guys went to number. One on thirty. Three three thousand units like thirty three thousand units gets you to number one in five years ago thirty three thousand units. You'd be at number two hundred yeah. That's just that's just how it is nowadays right. It's so so the budget must be affected by that too. Though sure sure sure so i think we can keep going as we've gone but you know i i heard a bands like you know they they write a record and they spend millions of dollars on the record and then they all all by their own tour buses and then you know they're planning regulating. The record doesn't do well. You know and it's like story yeah. We just we never wanna do that. You know we just kind of wanted to take it as you know. Take the temperature of everything and just kind of keep. Keep it safe so but you know as far as ideas yeah. It's it's epic and how far to take it. We'll see last <hes> few questions since here. <hes> what does <hes> i mean. It's always it's a question. I hit answer but i always like to ask it. What's your favorite song on the record or or if that's too hard. Which one are you looking forward to playing live. That's a better question because it's i like them all of course and my son says that some just go. Who's your favorite teacher. Place is going. I like all of them and he's not getting that for me. <hes> you know and that's the right answer yeah. Just see what you like about everything. I like all the songs i there's. There's a a song called tempest. I do a four and a half minute solo in and it was really crazy song right because it's <hes> three rounds seven. It's twenty one riffing twenty-one and you gotta remember our drummer. Who's the best trimmer in the world and i tell people that like hey so when i was a kid you know rush as best drummer neil pert yeah right yeah best drama in the world. Now i go. I'm in a band with the best drummer world especially downhill lil steals done right so yeah but that's that's interesting because i was a huge <hes> still in a few years ago more so huge dream theater fan. Oh yeah that tasing porno a._m. And jeannie but always mentioned danny carey danny. That's actually what brought me to tool was. If you know portnoy's talking about danny carey. Maybe i should check the spanned hand out. That was obviously fifteen years ago whatever it was but that's the name that you always hear about like. He's a total museau best in the world. Danny carey yeah yeah we we were recording <hes> <hes> <hes> we had a few drummers come in john from system and a couple of others and they all kind of said the same thing at some point in we replay the track and they go is just one drumming like one. He knows it takes or his aerial tracks level multi multi tracks and go no. Let's let's that's just danny playing. She sneaking all my god. He's just a alien and he's the only guy no can just do like you know like three yeah. Different poly rhythm beats at the same time you know foot hand other hand and you know megan do four. Maybe five the way it's funny. I <hes> when mickey d played on the halloween record <hes> rabbit don't come easy thing. It's called <hes> they were in between drummer. They've got mickey to play on it. New song louis pumpkins halloween fanatic <hes>. He said that they were they gave him the tracks on a drum machine but in qatar player puts the drum machine tracks down to give them to mickey to learn how to play the right. They've had so many different parts. I'd be octopus to vadim. Tele may man yeah. I only got four four two. You ought to legs yeah. Danny would be you know when we jam riffs tell story when just neighboring the ricin when we jam and danny me to start playing the most opposite poly rhythm kind of thing to it to the point where i'll forget how to play riff. I rode danny. He's simpler could overplay known on the magic tools you know is just kinda but anyway the song i was talking about this. You know it's in twenty one called in <hes> <hes> tempests emphasis yeah yeah and <hes> maynard spelled it with a seven because we have like this all the seven kind of weird happening with the record and i just thought it was important at seven beat. It's it's you know hearing people like you know <hes> trying to play emulated or like what we do <hes> <hes> or even head bang to a you know it's one two three four five six seven one two three four five six seven yeah right right <hes> <hes> and having three rounds of that so it's not an even number when you're trying to right over it you just gotta feel it yeah so it was it was was really cool. So when i do leads you know i don't you know i grew up in the days of michelangelo and just amazing yeah guitar players and i always kind the thought. It's been done as sort of thing about tom. Is tom has that has that gimmick thing but he just went down a different path with it and made it his own you know it's incredible and and <hes> so i never had that i did so many scales violin and and so i was just like you know you were talking about <hes> andy summers from them lease and it's just what is the song need and a lot of times. My lead will be more like vocal all right you know it's is treated like vocal. Someone singing vocal will do the same thing you know three or four times and then add inflections elections on it and i just found that part of the song to be <hes> really rewarding in that way so i just hope people like the songs long we have <hes> we're putting out <hes> physical cds that are like eighty minutes. I mean all all fill your seven songs. It's eighty minutes. It's it's so funny any the you know. I really get off on the <hes> the trolling you know <hes> sometimes hits me low but most the time. I really enjoy it yeah yeah. I don't know if you do but it just like that thing where there's a small percentage of your fans small who can't he happy you can and not be president moments always because you could take a c._d. Put fifty songs on a tape one hundred dollars bill and give it away for free and there'd be people complaining audit member. Was he too long or i have to pay taxes on this hundred dollar the u. Two album was giving away for free to everybody who had i tunes were complaining. Can you too yeah thin straight or listen to it right. If you had a great point when sorry a hardwired came out and it's long as twelve songs simliar people people are complaining about as being too long. You've waited eight years. You're you're yelling about not having new music yeah now you've got twelve. New songs is eighty minutes long and you think it's too long. It's like what do you want right yeah yeah. It's just that you know but i enjoy. I enjoy the it's. It's it's everyone's gotta. The voice and you have those people who are just never happy and they were you know on christmas really wanted. The you know read transformer not the magenta transformer transformer you know just nothing's right nothing so it's all right and but i i actually kind of i enjoy it. Now i really sometimes it's just hilarious i remember the melvin put out a book and they put out a book of <hes> every <hes> bad review of any of the records that they could find and it was just just listed and it was this reading remember taking on tour in reading it. It was just let my favorite one was like <hes> like one of the records came out and said <hes> and i have three words like a like a critic and he said three words stop just stop just you can my favorite review that we ever got played a festival bloodstock in england yeah and we played in between like municipal waste exodus or something and they said fawzy were as heavy heavy as lettuce and so i was like i was like oh it's pretty funny so i got our drum tech lives in england to put a head of lettuce in the senate to <hes> to i think it was karang or metal hammer. It ever yeah yeah little note. Thank you comparing us to produce this the thing the thing too. I didn't know we're getting to the end of this thing but i i just wanted to say you know like you can sing. Thanks and it's and it's and it's and you're bands good and and and and <hes> you know there's a lot of people who do multiple things and they you know like some actor will go on my band people go. Oh yeah i wanna see a ban. You know so. Please don't ask me. You know what i think of it. You know but it's just it's refreshing you know. I didn't know i was a fan of your wrestling before. I knew you were in a band and i was like oh yeah yeah yeah. He's in a band and then when i heard i was like god. Damn you know we will thank. We've had to work twice as hard to get respect. If that's the word sure just because of me but i find when you get people's respect. You've got it for life. Oh yeah yeah because people know it's real yeah jared leto in thirty six marketer taylor and pretty reckless or counter boundaries. You can really play johnny. Depp media hollywood vampires roxanne so i think that and i knew it going in but to me is like i didn't care yeah because when i was a kid i wanted to be in a rock band. I want to be arrested and that's going to be so is going to make it happened yeah last question for you said you don't like to do this but is there a match that you've seen like that. You would call your favorite match. Astana mash remember <hes>. There's so many yeah tell me some of them. There's so many i dunno i can't now i can talk about the ultimate warrior and i can talk about siham punk with aaa jr and you know the the thing that i like is. There's guys this like you. Who are you know are like the undertaker. They're kinda icon and they're like a good meal right and then then there's these guys that come in their up and coming or maybe they're not as popular or maybe they're not even as good but that's like the seasoning <hes> on that meal that it'll it'll never taste like that again. <hes> you know and that's what i enjoy you know <hes> a great analogy. What was it ryan rhyme back back right back. I love that kid man dan he was awesome and those those days were he was just taking on vince was fine against no-name wanna be wrestlers and he would like instantly pin him and then put him on his back and they do that. Famous like you know throw on drop type thing really yes yes yes and and then at somebody did with two guys and then and and then i saw it live he do or maybe it wasn't live here with three. Is you three guys. You know so it's just it's those moments you know you. You know moments racist like god. This is real. There's no way <hes> that's just brute strength or i'm just talking about. We're talking about that. Versus where a guy gets hit like sometimes you guys connect and you connect yeah and and it's it's what it needed and and it's it's just incredible and it's real. It's just it's just like you know. Uh kinda got thrown out. He's gotta be taken an ice bath after this. This is crazy and then there's those moments where it's it's more like kane and the undertaker in you know was it <hes> the undertaker put cain in grade yeah and they had a grave or an ambulance. The ambulance was on in the room and took him out. You know and people are like aw no it's. It's <hes> like <hes> what's his name the canes and pallbearer a pallbearer in this paul with his voice. That's i as a kid and still does today like a little kid. I remember birther. Remember you remember things that kinda scary scary and it was big huge guys with high pitched voice over me little there you go scared me and paul kind of had that thing he's only he's great and just you know i remember seeing like going to access yeah the fan access to phoenix it's great and when when you guys even the different clubs have that the fans love that oh yeah where you can go to meet people and you can do to make the experience yeah but but paul was doing this thing and of course they put like a haunted house or something silly i saw him and kids were waiting to get his autograph and he was signing autographs and he reached back and grabbed a drink and the sip of it and look back to the kids and then he held up the drinking even like cyanide like he's kept his character going going you know so. It's just like i said like just all the levels approach of this entertainment has been wonderful. You know and even just you know i'm proud of the guys like that. Start doing movies you know or start. You know like saying killing. You know he's good. I don't know gelman anyway. I i love it all so i can't i could talk hours about stuff. I like and yeah for sure you know but do you survived your first podcast a great job yeah we're done congratulations to like. I said fear inaugurum and all the success that you've had so it's great to finally get a chance to meet you yeah. I really appreciate it does it's. I i think you know being a fan and <hes>. I feel comfortable talking to you. You know it's it's hard sometimes those radio guys and and stuff now. I have to do eddie trucks. <hes> we do it with me. Of course that's all hook you up with him and he's gotta give me sammy hager. Okay very deal all right. The only that tool has scheduled so far. This fall is october thirteenth in sacramento at the aftershock festival. We played that before. It's great festival toolbox. 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Double Or Nothing - The Spanish Announce Table - Episode 261

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Double Or Nothing - The Spanish Announce Table - Episode 261

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Tom Can you hear me. Yes I can log in here you <hes> for once I can hear your voice in. It sounds so sweet. Yeah I get that a lot. Hey so we are into a big. This is a pivotal week in the wacky world of pro wrestling because we you're on the eve. I guess this is the Spanish announce table Eve of the brand new all Lee wrestling double or nothing pay-per-view which will then <hes> start that promotions. I Guess Genesis in history before we get into all that and we're GONNA SHARE A R pick so first time in a long time that we've done non W._W._e.. Picks for a pay per view <hes> we're also gonNA share are just general thoughts about the wacky world of W._W._e.. Eh but before all of that ten yeah you so first off happy birthday shoe. Thanks very nicely and what'd you do. Well took the day off off and <hes> we have took the DR to work. First thing right. We woke up son was still going to school. Daughters GonNa work <hes> first full day of work. I eight hours right that was fine. That was like this feels. Good right like wait a minute hold on time out. Your birthday was on a Friday. I thought so your daughter worked in the A._M.. Yep she's out of school summertime. Oh like did she required. How did she get scheduled to work like? Did they know that she would just be off of school yeah yeah. Do they like change that each week. How does how did the work no that their pop shop place that she works? Oh but do you understand what I was saying like. How do you just know Oh that one of your employees just has a Friday off from school at schools out summer schools done here yeah? Oh Shit right. Yes I realize schools out. She's been out for a week league. The boys got <hes>. Hey He's got one when we tomorrow's it right okay diem. I guess school doesn't doesn't it. <hes> it does so now that sucks yes but now that sucks is now. She's experiencing like Oh. Oh It's no summers anymore. I have to work so yeah. We kinda went through that man. Oh Yeah Oh she was in tears a little bit like when she realized like wait a minute I gotta get up and and I'm like hey. This is <hes> yeah right. It's like I'm like yeah and I was like hey look I said listen and I was like I know this is a bit hand on is that I went through that myself to where you kinda like. Oh no like it's changing like never gonNA be around all all day every day with no responsibility ever like from like hits you to you kind of realize like Oh. It's already happened like not like Oh. No it's been prepare for. It's like Oh shit now. I'm working and now I'm Oh yeah you don't get to gear up for it just happens. Did you realize two weeks into your summer of your first summer working like damn it. Did you add okay so it was your birth but I'm assuming in this conversation. Did you at least like give her a comforting hug. Oh yeah I mean like she well she. She's not she's not touch it and that's that's the end of her of her childhood so her mom and I were talking 'cause like <hes> well. This has already happened before this date right. This is like the week prior or something like that. It was the weekend prior where you're like. Hey they call this. You know if you can work today and we told you nothing else going on. So you know you get get reading. She was like what like what you wanted to work. Make money to well. I mean like and then we were like hey listen. They are expecting a hand here. I was like look I know it's and she was like I hate thing. I think she was saying that in the moment right but I was like okay cool cool. I'm all for you looking to see if you want something else but I mean did tell these people you'd be here. You like we got you a phone based on the premise that you're going to work now right unless you want to be given that up right like just as such. It sucks but let's let's go back to the to the birthday so you woke up your daughter to work because now she's done being a child. We did like the kids like do the president and stuff like that and <hes> well. I got <hes> I got a K.. State jacket go figure but it's an awesome right like <hes> jacket and then explain to the full details of it <hes> <hes> shirts stuff like that and then a big thing that we like to do is <hes> the favorite candies and sweets right so I got a big stack academic kind of crap that I can hide in my little drawers and stuff like that right away from everybody else he's reminds <hes> <hes> and then <hes> Gosh Kinda. Can you remember something. That's the bunch I mean just bones and things like that right shirts like just right you know all all the dads stuff right like all that kind of stuff things like that and then <hes> <hes> the wife and I then went out did today date right we went to Nelson Atkins and we ate it to plaza and here's a fun fact the Mrs and I never anyone ever either hi there has been in the Nelson Atkins Museum ever nine boggling to me certainly now four full disclosure Kansas City Museum for anybody lives out here is one of the I mean it's a Premier Art Museum National National in the country and <hes> I mean it's a big talk of the town. They always host big events and of course like if you're talking art museums that's the dawn mega and we never there now. I've only lived here since two thousand ten but that's nine years. I know what you're tate's me. Is You know irritates me is I have relatives who have lived in Independence Missouri their entire life and has neither been to the Truman home or the Truman Library. They've presidential library so I grew up in Manhattan Kansas down at the time. When I lived there maybe about seventy thousand people and <HES> two hours away? I'd say from from Kansas City and I bet a whole bunch of people I grew up with had been to the Nelson Atkins and Neverland cancer if you're nine years and never managed to go kids win. They were like we go there. Feel chair here as well. We're going there on a workout because starting Friday. They're doing a nine hole like mini golf thing and each hole is centered around on one of their museum like themes you know right and so we're going to do that as a workout but so yeah okay you went to the Nelson Atkins coffee at the Nelson Atkins. We did a coffee. Yes at the WHO is their coffee off. Qua is quite yes yes I we did get that and we walked around for a little bit had that and then we ate chewing on the plaza. The Mexican restaurant set on their mouth was gorgeous day out there. Watch people <hes> <hes> try to avoid getting mugged in the plaza now. I'm just GONNA plazas not bad these days <hes> when when the sun's out yeah right yeah next time don't be hanging out too late at night in the wrong parts but <hes> got to do that and then came back you know had to pick up the kids do all that kind of thing and then later went out with the kids for dinner. <hes> there's a brick oven pizzeria down the way and that was kind of the the gist of what I WANNA do was like we've been so busy with the club and everything like. I'm not trying to go out and do a bunch things. I'm not trying to you. Don't got lavish me with guess. I'd rather just have time. You know what I was like. Let's go do something. I don't really care what the hell it is right like. I did you go to the did you go to the brick of in pizza place. That's by the legends choice. I've been there because we live close by yeah so it's kind of a Goto that we go there. Yeah it's Sporting K._C.. Soccer doubt in their staff is always friendly and it's it's good place you some good whiskies there right new makers marks <hes> and then you know pops called called while you're there and we talked to Dan mom for a little bit in that kind of stuff <hes> and you got a gift that goes back to your child gets you this for birthday. We'll the answer's always yes and then you know it was a rhythm shirt heard from no-holds-barred that was in. I was in the crowd <hes> in that well you know my ass is is in the crowd. <hes> literally the shirt had chipped yesterday so should be getting it here soon. If you're the Spanish able date and you're gonNA wear wear yes. Yes you know the hand side too because his hand signs like not the too sweet and w Oh yes something we had that and then he'd just brought down the the front right do that everywhere and anybody that like gets it. You'll know instantly you me man you me. We are friends. Let's buy Go-to up down when you wear that shirt s because the wrestling themed and bar I mean it has other themes to but wrestling is one of the things as well yeah. That's a great it's like eighties. Nineties themed Bar Retro Bar Retro Bar that plays pro wrestling is wrestling things all over the place and they're awesome and friends of the show definitely definitely of various incarnations of of how we do shows and then the rest of the weekend <hes> Oh swim trunks soccer game. Tom and swim trunk had his <hes> so swimtrunks. My son I most amazing games James airplay dude got locked in in the zone right and I was like Oh holy shit this is about to get serious right like I just saw him playing differently and I was like wait a minute and there was one point he <hes> so you know I've always told him I was like the defensive principles man in the same as basketball basketball right gives you the guy goal-side stolen them get by right and this one kid at one point like he was just working these kids up and down the court. Every chain could get the kid gets the ball and soon chunk goes up onto him right meets half half appealed whatever they call it there and soccer right and sideline the sideline just does the stray right in the kid just can't he just keeps bumping into him and he just above the backstrokes in the hallway in the kid like pass. It looks over it as coach and he's like. Can you do that he does that. He's looking over his coach. I can he do that like in the coaches like what band play and I'm dying laughing right. I mean I'm over here. Just like try not to laugh out loud right most like what and I was like that was the funny should I've ever seen in my life and I look up at Hayden The sun and he's just looking looking over at me like you WanNa fuck. He just you fucking saw it out. I got and I was like all right. It's time to we're going to try to get them up. I mean like maybe get them onto the triumph for thing like I think he's yeah the soccer zone in on him and it's kind of fun to watch yeah. I've known some from what I'm watching but it's fun kinda seeing that you're like Oh shit and here we go guys ready to roll so yes so that was kind of yes so speaking of soccer. I went this past week into a Sporting K._C.. Game to now I've been this is how weird it's been this year. I've been to more Sporting K._C.. Games than I have Kansas city royals games that's crazy and your big then we went to yeah and I haven't gone onto a royals game <hes> Sporting K._c.. It was fun again. The weird wacky rules of soccer irritated me. 'cause we're up one. Nothing I gets to ninety minutes so I like yeah five. They said a minimum of five minutes and I just looked around. I said so. No one knows what was done. One guy and they're like well Kinda but you know they'll just gotTa keep playing and then the Damn Vancouver scores a goal and ties game and I said I I want to winner. I yelled at really loud. I WanNa winter and everyone kind of giggled. I was like a buck and Syria it's annoying in those like in the stoppage-time where they'll even put it up there plus five and I'm like okay but it keeps going and sometimes it goes over a minute I'm like why did we do that. I I've been explained that the ideas that they don't want the players knowing that all I've got to do is stall time right like yeah but you hit a timeout like every other sport you still do even when you're in stoppage time. You know you've gotTa Paul Time. You just don't know how much bucking the only difference so the cool thing about that was Dustin Colquitt. I don't know if he's still a current chief is he. Still I think he did a rework deal. If I'm not mistaken yeah he gave us all free popcorn at the stadium got free popcorn got off the table well He. He tried to do a goal kick and heart soul of 96.5 the local alternative station actually we stopped the shot and was like book you let them have it. Yeah I stopped your shot emitted another one where harmful didn't try as much then we all got free popcorn so that was cool also on Saturday went to a two year old's birthday party but it was way cooler than a two year old's birthday party. This is what was my friends my friends kind they're pseudo high school sweethearts and this they went to high school together the entire time and then dated after high school graduate. Oh four they started dating in Oh five so they knew each other yeah say somewhat similar things. I met her right after high school. She was still finishing. She was dating in front of mine for like three years Yada Yada so we can kind of tell people yeah to get the yeah yeah right so the fun thing about this birthday. Party is the fun thing about the dynamic of this couple Chris <hes> a big friend we call them xbox because at one time he weighed three hundred sixty pounds the xbox Fox three sixty you still big but he is a Harley Davidson horror movie blue collar overalls. I know how to fix your transmission. GimMe your brake pads and art can make take them new again all of that right and so that's that's what they do with pets. They make them new again yeah right. You know how that works all that car stuff. I'm in. I've been his best friend. I've been yeah probably his best friend and he's been my best friend. Since seventh with grades we've known each other forever but you know so anyhow the majority of his friends are that right well. He married his wife Who's African American and her family is very much of the stereotype of we wear big hats to church coach. We were nice clothes on Sunday and this is a birthday party so that is treated very much like church on a Sunday so it's a see the the economy in the contrast of I'm wearing a Harley Davidson shirt and I have you have genes have a oil stains on them and contrast that with a genuine and with a genuine conversation of a lady who is in the nicest silk dress I've ever seen in my life and a hat. That's as big biggest this house. It was awesome yeah because I've known each other forever to right so it wasn't like anyone yeah known each other. They have a little baby. Obviously this is a two year old's birthday so you know families have met forever and ever but just the the people watch was fantastic so did that sporting casey three of my teammates or friends. <hes> fought this weekend. Megan unfortunately lost <hes> Felicia Spencer really good grant. Dawson's at Cummings both won. By Submission Grant Dawson Guides <hes> performance of the night so not only did he <hes> win his fight in his win bonus. He also excuse me got an extra fifty grand so that was good for him and then just been raining every five seconds. It feels like pretty cool to to say not only did I kick this guy's ass kicked. This guy's ask better than anybody else kicked anybody's ass this arena on you know like Yep yeah. I was the ass kicking. It got got an extra fifty grand because you got your asking the most ass kicked earliest kicker of the anyway yeah it has been non. Damn stop and can't city get too high ground if you can. I live on but we've got a lot of water. That's for sure yeah so hey now that is are things that we've done now. Let's transition because this is a wrestling podcast and we need to talk about the pro wrestling of the world. Let's get into unfortunately the big news. Topic of the week is a sad note the W._w._e.. Diva Ashley Massaro that how you say the last name is never competency is our has passed away. <hes> it's been kind of consensus. Although I don't don't believe in autopsy has been released but it seems like the consensus is apparent suicide. She was thirty nine years old. <hes> she leaves behind daughter. There is a gofundme me if you would like to support her daughters education <hes> <hes> looks to be already twelve thousand dollars raise which is phenomenal. They got a big goal there but <hes> if you want to help out go find that this podcast we don't have links that we can put to you now but <hes> Yeah Ashley Ashley Massaro the one thing I remember about her and this is one of you know how my brain works. You've been doing this podcast with me for five. She's the first female wrestler to get PYRO. That's what I remember remember. It's only thing I ever remember about her. Yeah I always remember the name but I kind of playboy and that was kind of like at the end of the W._b.. Playboy relationship yeah yeah <hes> you know a lot of contention between them for a while and I know she's had a rough go of it and was dealing with things and then obviously you know obviously consensus. Is this so nets add to. That's another thing you know like talk to folks seek help yeah for help. Call a friend and I guarantee you any friend that you have will definitely try to <hes> listen the best they can when you're in a time of needs so I guess that's the lesson learned. Obviously that's easier said than done as we you know gas bag on a pro pro wrestling podcast but <hes> you know as far as her career and W._W._e.. I think like I said I remember that weird factoid that she was the first female wrestler to have pyro. I don't know why always remember that but I do <hes> she was also kind of in the middle of win. Women's wrestling wasn't necessarily taken steer Asli right when it was Tori Wilson's Candice Michelle's <hes> lay cool. <hes> natty was just kind of arriving on the scene so she was in that weird flux talks of were starting to do something but we're not doing anything really and we used to do the Brown pants but we're trying not to anymore. She was in that kind of weird <hes> phase of transition <hes> but yeah it's unfortunate. That is the big news of the week so we felt the need to cover it condolences to any of her family friends obviously if you're listening you know who knows but <hes> yeah unfortunate series of events. It's there yeah it is and <hes> I guess we should just move on so we don't keep having make it awkward. I guess <hes> what else was. Let me pull this up again here. <hes> oh I this one's a quick blow by just hit me. We didn't discuss this off air. <hes> we don't go to deepen even ruby riot doing the same Zane going to have to do to shoulder operations had one already getting another one a little bit time Ruby riot really man and that sucks because you know why I think that's a real big big. Blow is because people like Nyah Jackson winter I think to knee surgeries and you had some people kind of trying to find their their way and Ruby riot you know throughout the Ronda Rousey Becky Lynch Charlotte flare thing it was ruby riot that always had to take the pin fall to make those three look good. I felt like maybe this would have been a good time to get her like hey you that favor yeah. Here's your you know payback for. I two months something right. Yeah something the other thing that I think it plays poorly on as far as timing is when you had the rue the riot squad she could at least gone out there and who knows how the shoulder surgery because yeah I had shoulder surgery I was in a sling but assuming you can get back relatively quick. She could have at least been a manager right walking out there cutting promos but now the riot squad is no more so now she's really often no-man's-land kinda just hanging hanging out looking at her shoulders getting operated on to see. It's another one where I hope you do a bit more of a Bray White. You know where you come back with something a little different form you know what I mean like because what orange sense right yeah more intense but mostly and not because I don't like what Ruby right or character is or anything. She was necessarily fine in her character and look it was just weird the Chad these two also rans that weren't like her. You know that made it weird <hes> but yeah just give me a little like that. You've you've thought like okay. I'M GONNA come out swinging doing this. This is going to be my angle. This is going to be right like so yeah. I hope my hope with her is I enjoy in concept the riot squad but play you know the rumor is that we're going to T._V.. Fourteen once we get to a Fox we're going to get a little bit more serious <unk>. Get a little bit more crazy backup. The Fun days fourteen right and A._W._S. is going to be on your ass to so with that said if you come back with the riot squad. Let's not just have catch up and mustard squirt scored it on a fucking sign. That's let's actually fucking 'cause Goddamn riot yeah. Let's fucking put people on easy. You know be spray repaint broken glass yeah someone fucking scared for their life. That ought to be your tagline right like everywhere. I knew I leave a trail spray paint and broken glass. You know what I mean. Do it yeah Burghley percentage we would behind that fasten the becky lynch thing because that's what we might like hell. Yes somebody being bad ass. Yeah go shave Volition Elisa's Fox head you know give her a six head. Already got five all right <hes> yeah. Is that body shaming all right. Let's see <hes> also then. We've got a <HES> so the Saudi Arabia show whatever the hell they're calling this one now the super showdown <hes> it's as big as Wrestlemainia wrestlemainia caring so that means their contract to make sure it comes across as bigger than Wrestlemainia or else. They're going to get beheaded right there on the spot that too far Daniel Brian's out no because it could be true. <hes> we have Brian is out Kevin Owens's out series Ain't is banned. Yeah he might get mad at if he shows up and then who was the fourth there was let me put the list Bro. Install Alastair black is off to maybe that makes sense why we haven't seen his promos on smackdown because you know it was Promo Promo Promo and then I think last two weeks we haven't seen anything so explains the <hes> Kofi last two challengers big big opponents owens and Brian now so yeah they had to Russian doll which of course we'll talk more about down the road but yes yes <hes>. What do you think of the Saudi deal? I mean they're making. There's they're gonNA just make so much money they that they're just like what you know no publicity's bad publicity and we can play it off as we're trying to make headway. We're trying to make improvements. Meanwhile they're just taking money money money money yeah now and I think you know if anytime this deal was going to follow part it was at the last show the weeks before that with getting beheaded in murdered in embassy <hes> on the you know requests of the Saudi Arabian prince you know anytime in their relationship. That was the one time that W._b.. Could have you know wash their hands of this and moved away but they leaned in and did the show and did it even with more fanfare affair and Yada Yada Yada so what's stopping them now right for wrestlers who cares as long as three of them show up. They'll make a show and buck everyone else right so you know hey like I said I think this is the biggest eve of Spanish announce table that we've ever had because we could be on the cusp of something huge A. W. Ben Alternative that we're looking for so what I say is if that is true. God hopes purpose that help us and hope that A. W. is what we hope to be. 'cause then fuck Saudi Arabia show. I got double or nothing. I got whatever we're calling. W you know all elite wrestling paper abuse and fuck your Saudi Arabia. I don't have to watch any because there's an alternative there isn't that's going to be so nice <hes> well yeah. That's you know yeah. It's just whatever to me like I'm not really interesting. I am somewhat in the Kofi dolf portion but I don't feel like well. Maybe they do make a move because they've got to make it appear bigger than Wrestlemainia. Maybe they Kofi lose over now. No no Tim this how show remember that is always talk show Wrestlemainia. It's a house show. They've never done any the only thing they've ever done at one of these shows is titus. O'Neil fell through the fucking bottom of the race. Yeah that's it everything else is a bullshit shit who cares and that's what this is going to be. The one thing on paper that would have been cooled twelve years ago was Goldberg versus undertaker who the fuck cares Gobert says even shown up on T._v. and the damn things in two weeks. Neither either is undertaker. That's true and they won't they won't I bet they don't I bet it's just they just show up. Goldberg undertaker like no promos no net so stupid if they promos I bet they run on Saudi Arabian Arabian T._v. one hundred percent yeah. We don't fucking care Delo cares. This is going to be worse than the D._A._X.. Brothers of destruction because at least triple h knows how to construct a match batch Goldberg definitely done and undertaker doesn't really want to seems that way so anyhow. Let's stop her bitchy. Let's get Outta here after this. We got some fun to look forward to. We're going to guess our way through some talent. We've never heard of an all eats. <hes> W another babe review a lot of the talent we know most of the talent we don't and you're gonNA find out who is who after the break yeah we will do that. I'm just pulling it up now. I don't know who the half the motherfucker SARS is going to be fun all right we'll do we don't backchat. You'll thank check fuck that do that. When we come back to the Spanish stable fun fact thirty seven percent of net flicks users binge-watch t._v.'s while at work the Spanish announce table Tom? It's been awhile. I think I should remind June the listeners we've got an Amazon link on our website Spanish Spanish table Dot net. We should do Amazon where you can get any and everything from homegoods to you know those fish expanded Y- okay yeah I was going to just say lavish gifts. They have it. All Amazon doesn't pay taxes says but they'll give us a kickback. If you go through our Amazon link and buy something through the Spanish non-staple dot net click on the link at the top and then as always you are not affected at your price point but we do you get a little bit of a kickback which is great for us and great for you because the more money we make from that we invest into this podcast win win for all parties involved spence announce table Dot net clicked Amazon link right at the top and thanks we Spanish announce table right. <hes> Tom. Tom I'm all in ready to go double or nothing. <hes> let's see how I can cheesy <hes> <hes> because feeling elite Yep there it is right. What's let's talk about it man? Let's talk about that is big enough and we're all excited about this. <hes> all of us being the two of us. We are all excited about this new all elite wrestling in its potential. Yes and I think more so than just their potential. It's that we are whoa wanting an alternative and it seems like this could be right other promotions. It's hard to say get behind it because they've been doing things for so long and really didn't work out. This has a clean slate doesn't have the stain of the T._N._A.. Name team or the however it's also veterans who've been doing this for awhile right right some of which have banned me on twitter which is pretty great. Thanks Young Bucks Still Hate Ya <hes> but hopefully you do successful accessible business here because I'm excited <hes> but yeah to go more so it is veterans right. You have the Christian because you have the code as you have the gold. Dust you have billy guns. You have yet Kenny you have guys know what they're doing in here and they have proven track record at least with one show right so they can do these one offs. I think they're big. Challenge is going to do the weekly. Show we saw the last pay per view last year was his success. It was really cool. All of it was awesome so I don't think this one's going be bad in any regard <hes>. I think they're challenged is going to be hey. It's week six of your T._v.. Show can you still do something. That's GonNa keep our attention. That's their challenge <hes> but with this one specifically they they went <hes> really smart with their matchmaking. You know the Kidney Omega Chris Jericho. Let's not fiddle fard around do some other shit with them. Let's get them together because we know this is going to be money right. I like that kind of booking gene. We're there like you know what you want like. We're not GONNA put right yeah Cody Dustin. We're not doing the whole you know we're putting sid with Hogan and savage with flair like this is the equivalent of we're putting Hogan and Claire Together luring you so down the road. We'll give you that we know what we have right now. We can build the other things but right now. Let's hit you with our greatest hits kind of thing and I like that that's so great and we don't need to save the best relax because we'll come up with something better. Give you the best. That's that sounds like a bold yes. Let's get into this. I am going into the wikipedia page for this account so this may not be the order of the matches but this is how I see T._A.. <hes> so I do know on the kickoff show they're going to do the twenty one casino battle royale the big name that was released for this upcoming <hes> Battle Royale Shawn Spears Aka tie dillinger is going to be now in this <hes> but let's just break this card down. I'll start with that and then we can go through the rest of the card so <hes> twenty one man Sinoe Battle Royale was announced that the winner of this battle Royale. will be <hes> the first participant that will be a challenge for the first ever Awa world title so here's some of the participants as announced on Wikipedia. You have sunny kiss a S- Romero glacier because you know you have to have a royal with Glacier Brian Tillman Junior M._j.. F- Joey Danila Billy Gunn Jimmy Havoc jungle boy and as mentioned Shawn Spears ears so the twenty one man Casino Battle Royale who you got. I'm going to be bold. I'm going to go with the person that they have talked about for seems like months on their roads double or nothing i. I'm going to pick 'em J. F. and that is because let's just skip around because we don't know that word of the card. I want to skip around because I want to go into the next match. I'm picking 'EM G._I._F.. Because if the two participants that battle for the all the first world heavyweight championship is the winner of the twenty one man battle royal and the winner of Chris Jericho Kinney Omega. I'm going to go with Kenny Omega which then would lead. He'll L. M. J. F. against baby-faced Kinney Omega and then you get the baby face champion Kinney Omega as your first ever all league wrestling heavyweight champion so that's why I m J better oil and that's why I also have Kenny Omega versus Chris Jerko Geico Tidbit about this card as we go into the Saturday event a one-match that was pulled because of quote creative differences is hangman page versus pock because reportedly from Dave Meltzer pock doesn't lose is to anyone now and pock was apparently you're gonNA get no finish a D.. Q. Or maybe lose and he said ain't doing that and man pock look you are starting to sound exactly like Bret Hart an almost being exactly like Bret Hart in this regard you are amazing in the ring. Bret Hart was amazing in the ring but you outside of the ring or taking yourself a little too serious Powell. I get the frustration you had in W._W._e.. Because right made you and I understand that and to a certain degree fuck off you WanNa do some things creatively that are fucking cool but hey pal. If you're listening this is fucking cool event to be a part of if you happen to lose no one's GonNa fuck and really remember like they might remember if you put on maisy match or they might remember it as like a footnote if this becomes a huge as you know real competitor to W._W._e.. But it's not going to kill your career to lose a fucking match POW Chris Jericho so I'm named after I'll I'll give you a funny story about myself and then I'll tied into pock and what I I think he's doing right now so fun fact fun fact about me. I'm named after the band Tommy James and the Sean Dell's they sang mony mony crystal blue persuasion. They are a big act in the sixties. One of my dad's favorite bands right well. Tommy James Thought that with a couple of hits that they had and you can look them up I said crystal blue persuasion mony mony few other ones right that they were on a roll and that they should be a little bit you know getting top billing because they had some hits rolling in right while a little event called Woodstock invited them to be a part of this event and they didn't like the placement that they were going to be on on this card so they said no and park. You kinda sound like Tommy James in the Sean Dell's where I'm hoping that this is going to be like woodstock type of it but you have your chance to be on this card but you say I don't really lose and look at you now yeah so if you're in this joke they've made me a job or I don't lose a M- leave L. Show them. I don't lose will now. You're on the card. That is screaming. We'll show you right no like Defa at least once Ed Lee and you know that these guys will definitely let you play ball. You have to know from your own experience. We know that right excluding and it could go to do they don't like they know us out. Yes that match will not be on. They're going back to Chris Jericho Kenya Mega match that will be on there. I think it's going to be fun. I think it's going to be great. Chris Jericho already weirdly has another match set up for the New Japan Peress Lean heavyweight championship with Okada which I think is interesting because how will that play into this but Kenya mega got winning that next match we've got so so cal uncensored which is Christopher Daniels still going Frank Frankie Kazarian still going and then they're upstart Scorpio sky versus strong hearts and I don't know strong completely transparent with via so I'm going so callans censored days seem like the cool group. I think they need a little bit of a rub of from the maybe casual viewer that's tuning in for the first time to see them. <hes> I like their whole this town sucks kind of thing <hes> and Frankie Zarian Scorpio Sky Christopher Daniels isn't as good as it used to be can still go just as good as anyone else. I got so cal censored. I really wish I knew the match placement because if this was first match at the gate I'm going strong heart so cal uncensored you know what I mean like slightly screw up and they use that when I me like further down the road but if the slater the show there so callen censor yeah but like the like a funny keells you know what I mean. We're like everyone kind of laughs. Adam not like moving them candidate. Okay yeah was going to say maybe they do some. He'll taxes to win here but yeah I'm still going to go so cal uncensored again. Just next. We've got great Baker. Versus Nyla rose versus Kylie Ray and a triple threat fun thing that they've been in doing with this angle of match is brandy. WHO's in charge of the women's division at all eat wrestling is essentially been telling all three? Hey I think you're the one that's GonNa win. I think you have the advantage over the other girl saying it's it's all three obviously Baker <hes> in a relationship romantically with Adam Cole Bay <hes> and his doctor so you know she's got some fun. gimmicks already built in Nyla Rose Powerhouse Kylie Ray a really great. I'm going to go Brit Baker and this just because I know her again. I know her so I was doing based off of that was their first female tape or you know or you know what actually I'm GonNa go left field here. I'm GonNa Go Kylie Ray and I'm going to go brandy rose gets involved and cost Britt Baker the match and that way we can get brainy wrote wrestling wrestling and it's against someone established in the I._W._C. With Baker. That's what I'm doing <hes>. I'm going Kylie Ray all right now. We've got the team that has banned me on twitter blocked me on one hundred percent the young young I used to call him counts but I'm GonNa be nice because I hope that this really works for everyone <hes> the Young Bucks Matt and Nick Jackson versus and I'm not trying to because I'm trying to be all in on leap wrestling but I think the second best tag team in the World Deluge Umbro's of Pentagon zero and Phoenix I'm going. I don't think everyone can win. That's all we guy right like I don't think you're going to get cody and Kenny and young bucks and hangman and all that so I'm going to go with a kind of a left field booking <hes> thing to keep us on her toes. I'm going Lucia brose well. I thought loose rose to for that same field. This feels exactly like what all eat wants to do. Here's a look bras. We got him look. They're great Daiwa. You know what I mean fluffed them up a little bit <hes> so just to be different too so we can have a little play. I'll go with the young bucks just got out the Liberals but <hes> I agree with you one of the past tag teams in the world R._V. and Sambu in two thousand nineteen passable match and T._N._A.. That's how good good they are all right now. We've got <hes> going back to. I know that this is going to be on the kickoff on their youtube channel. All leat wrestling <hes> Kip Sabin Sabin versus seamy guerra. I believe is how you say his name. I'm going to see me. He's a <hes> a Lucia Unmasked Wrestler good-looking Guy <hes> I think Guevarra I think I stare because I'm not good at talking even the idea podcast. Thanks for listening but I'm going to me <hes>. I think think he's GonNa be there if this is like two thousand three T._N._A.. I think this is going to be there A._J.. Styles you know how like yeah I think he's GonNa be kind of were making this guy the next next thing and that is maybe he's just me guessing here but everything that I see from their road to all eat wrestling <hes> the promotion putting them on the Youtube Channel for free unlike putting them on the pay per view where I get lost in the shuffle I that's my gut feeling of that same. He's going to be there guy so I suck at reading and pronouncing names that I've never seen before so you WanNa give the six woman tag team match a shot Kong Yuka Suck Ezaki Zaky. You've seen that <hes> Robert Deniro Saturday night live skit where he's the leader of Homeland Security and he's listing off names that have been called into their hotline and he's like we've got got a surprising amount of names of tips from high school in College boys and it was like one Fuca. He's like we're looking for. You stroked out. Watch like to go on for ten minutes. It's great all right so astrakan. Go sagas Lucky Emmy Sakura. I'm probably butchering these whereas <hes> who used to help us that was yeah Rashida Reijo obey and in Rio new NAMI. I probably got all those I bet I got astrakan right. I'm going with Asia Kong and Yuga Suge Zaki and Emma Sakura Imi yeah. I'M GONNA go the other ones because they've got belts. It looks like okay picture. I'm looking at their here. You Go Ladies and gentlemen. We don't know what the fuck we're talking about with this match. Let's just move on. We've got the best friends chuck Taylor and Trent Beretta Versus Jack Evans and Angelico. I'm going best friends. These other guys looked like maybe they've got like a dirt by Gimmick going on or something here who's at the best friend Angelique Angelique Oh and Jack Kemp. Oh yeah no the best yeah but I'm going best friends. I think they're fun stupid dumb there. They remind me of Chuck and Billy Wright. Is it as chuck and Trent Right. I that's why I'm going best friends. I think they they are well establish. I think that's a good fun you know build upon for the next supplicant shows on A._W._S.. Website at the at the card right and they've got little pictures are they a poster of each match list the card and enjoy go and Jack Evans do look like they've got this like like the race dirt bikes <hes> Gimmick right there. They look like every guy that you've ever seen like that so the best friends too because I don't like that the one the best friends have new assured on pro wrestling tease where it looks like the old school n._B._A.. Jam where it has like the cartoon type character faces and then like attributes of speed power and stuff and I think the last one is Dong size which I think is funny and they both have zero <hes> so I'm going with them next and I think will be the main of could be Chris Jericho and Kinney Omega but could also be this match. You have cody Rhodes taking on his brother Dustin Rhodes in what he is describing as not a brother versus brother but a generation versus generation because he despises so much of the attitude era and I think it's because he can't can't draw that money but I this is my opinion forget. I hope all eat wrestling does draw that money but it is cody Rhodes Dustin Rhodes we got him. I'm going cody. I think he they're not I mean I don't think Dawson's hanging around to be an active wrestler. I don't think they're gonNA give him the feel good sendoff right I think I think this is the I think. CODE IS GONNA get vicious in this is GonNa come across across Wolf. I mean like he is a little bit. Savage little bit psycho so the the thing with me and cody as far as my following of his career on the independent scene is I can't ever tell so if he's like cool bad guy bad guy bad guy or like cool baby face like I don't know what he is and I think this matches going to establish what he's going to be an all elite wrestling because he had his little mini feud in the bullet club between him and Kenny Omega and he was kind of position as like the he'll and Kinney Omega was kind of like the Macho Man in the W. o. kind of thing but then fast password to the end pay per view and you get that sentimental moment where he wins N._W._e._a.. Title over Nick All this. He holds the belt over his head. You know he feel like he's the baby face there so I still can't figure out what he is and I think this match will establish bullshit. I'm going Dustin Rhodes as occur to school boy. I think it's going to be like you said something. Vicious chair shot after chair shot after chair. Shy goes up for his last chair shot. Get Schoolboy Dustin roads gets the one-two-three and now we get like the hell on earth cody. That's identity fuck everyone out yeah okay yeah that could be fun to is cody biggest name on the be seen well that depends on who you ask in my opinion. I think it's Chris Jericho yeah. I think you're right there. I guess it depends on yeah. What what context doing mean? I guess you could certainly say the hippest. Maybe we're GONNA throw term like that at it well yeah. That's what I was gonNA. Say Your total package of age charisma work rate Promo all of that. I'm going to get the hottest thing indies that I can make my star of mine yeah I would. I would say yeah over a Kenny Omega Anybody Yeah Giddy. Omega puts on you know fifteen five star matches and this is just me talking and maybe I my opinion changes changes and again. I hope it does as I get more invested in those product but Kenny Omega just seems to Dorky for. I don't care how many cool moves you do. When you talk like your fucking you know Weirdo in front of your premier down to your mom's basement fucking hear from you and he kinda has that vibe cody's cool? I want to hang out with Cody Kenny Omega. I feel like we'll challenge me to fuck in <hes> Zelda match and I don't fucking give a shit about that. You know what I mean her fuck off and that's the same like if you like that that's cool again. Pro Wrestling's big enough to where we can all find our little Mitch's are niches and just dig into that so I don't need to like video the Chris Jericho. GEICO and cody as I am assuming cody of the we're gonNA get a beer. We're not gonNA fucking play Xbox or whatever it is you know and cody gives off that maybe he plays video games with these guys. I don't know but the the character cody is someone when I wanNA hang out with right all right so I mean you know who don't spend a whole lot of time summing up and given our deep thoughts on this. Everybody knows where we stand by excited. Hope so here's off right. We're so excited added. We're going to be watching it. We'll talk off line on how we're going to watch it because I might be going to your house because that'd be fine because you always come to mind so I can go to yours. We'll talk about that but here's the biggest rumor and I guess we got to address it before. It happens. Does Johnny Mosley appear at double or nothing yeah. I think he does the easy. Answer is that battle royale but I also wouldn't be surprised if you didn't show up to Kinda like help somebody right maybe he shows up does the final blow to dust and in his cody's right here man or something yeah. There's always that wildcard but I I do think we see John. I my gut says no and this is why I think they know they're again. I keep using the same term but I can't think of anything else. It's Pun intended. I guess but I feel like they're going all in on this card. <hes> with the Chris Jerko Kenya Omega Lucia Umbro's versus young bucks all of that stuff that I don't think if they're smart they wanna go all chips on the first card. They WanNa hold something for that second one so they do all the on indie stuff here you go. Oh isn't that cool Yadda Yadda data that data now. What are you GonNa do for the second show while the second show is when you get Johnny Mosley right like that is where you can you know? Keep the buzz about a w going as you just. Don't do every dump everything on the first show you Kinda give us little crumbs of it as you go and then you build this conglomerate that hopefully takes over W._b.. Or Makes W._B._Z.. Better Yeah. We'll see if they have that force ever. Maybe we're still get work by W._W._l.. Lung we never see well. The second show remembers in Jacksonville and if memory serves me correctly <hes> Johnny Moxley Dean Ambrose is very familiar with the Florida area so he might have some friends that he stained with down there or something you know wouldn't be surprised to see him in Florida although I think he lives in Vegas so who knows I'm just talking to my ass. It's going to be fun. I can't wait. I want us to be good. Please love of God. Just make pro wrestling fun again. Tell me story speaking of stories. Let's transition to our favorite thing of the week tim you have a favorite thing of the week in the wacky world of pro wrestling <hes> you know what I mean. It didn't <HES> PA up to me out the top my head <hes> let me look to. I don't while you stall ago. It's become a favorite thing of the week and this one's going to be an oddball there that people people probably don't like <hes> it's brock listener winning the money in the bank. I like how how Paul Heyman is now fucking with. Everybody and I come to this conclusion right. We wanted Braga list gone. We wanted him Outta here this again. Brock listener is not bad. Brock listener is great how they fucking wrote him and how he was half. Never there is terrible <hes> he's done with M._M._A.. And they're gonNA start throwing oh money at it so he can be around every week for Fox and we get brock listeners regular character and they're writing good story lines around him well. There's nobody better than brock listener. I mean like fuck. You have more of it so maybe we're going that direction. I don't know but to me it was the I wasn't expecting that yeah. It's it's one hundred percent believable. What are you gonNA fucking do about it? He's coming for you. You better be scared and Paul Heyman would absolutely be a snake that we come around and fuck with you about it gets his jellies off that so I I'm GonNa go with that. I WANNA go with lessner winning the money in the bank also to piggyback off that it's not my favorite thing of the week but to to go along with what your point <hes> be made was is how fun was brock listener on Monday night raw doing the boombox thing with the damn money in the bank doing it twice Paul Paul Heyman the best part of that Promo when Seth rollins which is like this fucking do it you said it like I'm not bullshitting around which made him good and even gotten brock listeners face which made him more of a credible like yeah. I'm a fuck you up because the assumption I think both of us would agree was he would be cast cashing this in on Seth rollins but then when Paul Heyman was like you're not the only option and Kofi to his credit was like all right then bitch like fucking. Let's go and then to see those two guys campaigning to go after the money in the bank which then almost makes the money in the bank the most coveted property in W._w._e.. And Paul Heyman to call that out. I thought that was perfect. I thought that first Promo with all three guys was just perfectly done. Brock listener finally showed some <hes> personality he had fun. He likes sticking it to us even when he was up on the ladder at money in the bank and he is like I'm back you can suck it laughing at people while they booed other those all great it was perfect <hes> up but my favorite thing of the week comes for money in the bank and for me being you know blue in the face telling you how much stories matter and they do my favorite thing of the week was actually a match and it was the match between A._J.. Styles and Seth rollins that match was so damn good. I think it's matching the year so far again. We have all eat wrestling coming up still got summer slam. We've got <hes> survivor series. We got some big events still coming up this this year but so far the early set as we go into the end of May here <hes>. I believe that Seth Rollins A._J.. Styles match was match of the year almost perfect. I just love the storytelling <hes> of the match if they would've had more memorable moments going into the match. I think that match could have been considered an all-time great. I think you know we talked about how the storyline kind of missed going in and so that's why I think the match will be remembered very similar similar to seth rollins MS when they fought after the are over the intercontinental championship last year the A._J.. Styles brock listener match you know both of those guys have matches of the year every time <hes> the match that they had et money in the bank was so great phenomenal pun intended <hes> and again. I think it would have been memorable all-time great if they would've told a better story going into it but man did they deliver on that match. I watched it twice. It was so good loved every perfect perfect perfect perfect. Hopefully they do it again. In Hang Yeah I agree with you to like and that's what sucks and this that's where I always go back to is. It's the storyline the Mike Work I because <hes> I can remember the greatest Promo Grace Promos unit. They had the shittiest matches night to <hes> but you have the best matches but if there's no storyline behind it Kinda gets forgotten vine I you know Emme Lego and I think unfortunately this is me quarterback. You know armchair quarterback here saying stuff from the outside looking in I kinda feel like everyone knew that that match was going to be good so hey. Let's not put a lot of effort into getting people to buy into this. They're already bought in. I just feel you could have gotten the casual fans bought into it. If you would have had fun moments going into it then just I'm better than you. You're better than me. Did you hit me on accident or on purpose and now we wrestle like like fuck on <hes> man that matches good so good loved loved. It loved it all right. Let's hit back through <hes> our tweet the tables you would home can play along with as you can use Hashtag tweet the table able on twitter and we'll read some of the best on the show here and normally we kinda go through Ron smackdown but since we talked about I'll eat. We're just Kinda Kinda hit you know like we did our favorite things of the week here and we'll hit somebody sweet. The tables and you guys know what happened not much this week current so we'll just go through these. Let's start up here at Theo seventy five so charlotte really needs a new original theme instead of Rick Super Cuts Remix Hashtag at the table <hes> yes and so she wasn't involved in the in the Becky Lynch thing but with the moment of bliss but like I it just feels like man there in superstar mode with every story line right let's bring out lacey and the iconic Alexa excited and Vicky Cross and in society well and I also think that with that stupid wildcard rule just we give up on saying this number four of the night they're just they're getting rid of the brand split without telling us. They're getting rid of the brand split. It made zero sin what brand to I'm asking you this Tim. What brand is Becky Lynn Sean Yeah? She's the raw champion but if you look at the W._W._e.. W website she's listed as a smackdown wrestler. Yeah No <hes> yeah <hes> at Theo seventy-five says that was the best swerve ever known saw that come in for money in the bank brock listener. It's a briefcase. We won't see him for the rest of the year twenty twenty Hashtag through the table <hes>. I hope that part doesn't come true. We already kind of discussed some of that. <hes> <hes> Oh this one is an between the tables here. Let's talk about this. Azzaro got new music <hes> gates. He's clearly on his own now. He you know what I mean. He was <hes> I like. How US kind of like picking on goes back hurts right like this is? This is our oh he's needed to be right like tougher for bigger than use. Go out and let's wrestle and I you know I hate how many titles that they have in W._w._e.. But a ricochet Bizarro for you know X. Title I'm watching that that'd be fun. That was a fun match that they had <hes> and I liked the music. It's better than that bullshit bad techno thing that he had before he joined with the Bar <hes> so it's better than that. I like that <hes> again how many starting stops ops if we had was CICERO's career right he's Paul Heyman guy now he's not. He's a all American now. He's not all this bullshit so I hope this one sticks. That's all I'm saying to. I just yeah he so good at Katie. First Lady Eighty says did the raw graphics changed from Red and white to grain black as at the show wasn't darkened oppressing already plus. The fact we have Corbyn in the main event has tanked with the table. <hes> I did read that. They are going to go that because again. They're trying to they. They WANNA get again as as I said move back to being a little more raw a little more gritty so the color guy make a black. That's the first thing to do. I heard that the third hour is going to be kind of the start of that where the third hour gets treated almost separately than the other two hours and that's where the different friend graphics come in. That's where apparently they're going to get a little bit more quote unquote raw so we'll see how that goes because the third hours where they're losing everyone because it's too damn long. That's too long so now there is something like if if we knew progressively throughout the night that boy hitting around that third hour she it was bad to get fucking fun and crazy. That might be a good tactic right like if we knew like hey the build up is in the first two and then they go fucking nuts unless we gotta watch the first to know what's going on but then it makes sense when you watch this crazy fucking third hour but that take so much again. They're not booking now. They're not writing well enough in advance to think of this well we almost <hes> forgot it and maybe we'll catch it in a tweet the table but the other big news story of the week was the Denny's twenty four seven bell. What did you think of that? <hes> I think I hop is missing a plate. Well Ugliest Shit waffle house tweeted. They're like somewhere in Georgia. Were missing yeah. <hes> atmosphere throw says I hope Little Jimmy Helps Truth. Retrain the retain the twenty four seven title for a little bit. Here's a fun facts label. Here's a fun fact on May Twenty second two thousand nineteen that I read as of today every champion of the twenty four seven title has been forty two years or older gin that young talent over yeah so okay. I like that idea where we've talked about this week. We don't mind the idea of a twenty four seven title because you can do all kinds of extra cool things right what you do. You have the easy ability to do something. They already went off on the deepen. Is You get way to comical with that. They already have and they already have yes. It's twenty four seven but I don't need to see five changes in a night guys yeah one. A week is still fine. One every couple of weeks is still find. Just make it a random weird asked spot and that's the point of it. Make it while some guys taken shit a guy kicks open. The door kicks him in the face in Pinson with his fucking pants hanging around his angles. You know what mean and you're like twenty four seven fuck it in just run out like that's the fun of it doesn't gotta be Seventeen Times in the night and truth runs away and his car like it's weird. I feel like they've already jumped the shark with twenty four seven title 'cause how're you ever GonNa have a legitimate just traditional match how you're going to have any type of storyline told right 'cause the hardcore tidal was a hardcore title and tell crash made at the twenty four seven title and then that was the demise of the title because then it just became a hot potato you know before the twenty four seven guys like undertaker were hardcore champion and then after crashed the lower doing it in a kids play pin everyone will fuck this dumb and they've already immediately went win into people in cars jumping out and pending people sell scrambling yeah yeah. That's the thing is yeah if like I said if it had been done through storylines meaningful things but yet you could just still captured at random spots. I mean it's twenty four seven have a gun. No one's GonNa fucking defeat me if I got a gun well. Why am I not sneaking into somebody's hotel room just pending while sleeping or why am I showing up Yeah Yeah Fuck Q.? Why am I gonNA be yeah? I'M GONNA go to their. You've come find me well then. Let's just ended on this tweet the table this'll be a good one to hit it on its from at that. Being a score double underscored Di it's Great Guy and he says the twenty four seven title can be defended anywhere. 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Double Or Nothing - The Spanish Announce Table - Episode 261

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Double Or Nothing - The Spanish Announce Table - Episode 261

"Hey this is kyle. O'Reilly you're listening to and Spanish announce table. We're the Spanish announce table. Do the main spread her little manned space spread on the right when you get spread out. Let them nut hang over the front of the seat. Tom It is episode two hundred sixty one of the Spanish announce table. I think I may have touched. The microphone. Cordray fucked everything up for us. We've been having some technical difficulties Tom. Can you hear me yes. I can hog can hear you for once I can hear your voice in. It sounds so sweet. Yeah I get that a lot. Hey so we are into a big. This is a pivotal week in the wacky world of pro wrestling because we are on and the the eve I guess this is the Spanish announce table Eve of the brand new all Lee wrestling double or nothing pay-per-view which will then <hes> start that promotions. I guess genesis assists in history <hes> before we get into all that and we're GONNA SHARE A R pick so first time in a long time that we've done non W._W._e.. Picks for a pay per view. We're also gonNA share are just general thoughts about the wacky world of W._W._e.. But but before all of that ten yeah you so first off happy birthday chew thanks. That's very nicely and what did you do. Well took the day off and in <hes> we have ticked Dr to work. First thing right. We woke up son was still going to school. Daughter is GonNa Work <hes> first full day of work for eight hours right that was fine that was like this feels good right like wait a minute hold on timeout. Your birthday was on a Friday. I thought so your daughter worked in the A._M.. She's out of school summertime. Oh like did she request. How did she get scheduled to work like? Did they know that she would just be off of school yeah yeah. Do they like change that each week. How does how did the work no that? She pop shop place that she works but you understand what I was like. How do you just know that one of your your employees just has a Friday off from school at schools out summer schools done here yeah? Oh Shit right. It's I realize schools out. She's been out for a week of the Boys Guy <hes> Hayden. He's got one when we tomorrow's it right. Okay Damn I guess school doesn't doesn't it. <hes> it does so now that sucks yes but now that sucks is now. She's experiencing like Oh. It's it's no summers anymore. I have to work. We kind of went through that man. Oh Yeah Oh she was in tears a little bit like when she realized like wait a minute I gotta get up and and I'm like hey. This is yeah right. The house like yeah. Now's like hey look I said listen and I was like I know this is a bit handle and I went through that myself to where you kinda like. Oh no like it's changing. I'm never going to be around all day every day with no responsibility ever like from like it's kind of realize like Oh. It's already happened like not like Oh. No it's prepare for. It's like Oh shit now. I'm working and now I'm <hes> yeah you don't get to gear up for. It just happens. You realize two weeks into your summer of your first summer working like damn it. Did you add okay so it was your birth but I'm assuming in this conversation. Did you at least like give her a comforting hug. Oh Oh yeah well. She doesn't lie. She's she's not touched like that's the end of her of her childhood so hormone. I we're talking because like <hes> well. This already happened before this date right. This was like the week prior something like that. It was <hes> the primary que they call this. You know if you can work today and we tell them you know nothing else going on so you know you get get ready and she was like what like what you wanted to work. Make money to like a- and then we were like hey listen. They are expecting a hand here. Look I know and she was like I hate thing which I think she was saying that in the moment right but I was like okay cool. I'm I'm all for you looking to see if you want something else but I mean did tell these people you'd be here. You like we got you a phone based on the premise that you're going to work now right unless you want to be given that up right like yeah just as sucks that Edessa but let's let's go back to the to the birthday so you woke up your daughter to work because now she's done being the child we did like the kids like do the present and stuff like that and <hes> well. I got <hes> I got a A._K._C. Jacket. Go figure right but it's an awesome right like <hes> jacket and then explain it won't go into the full details of it <hes> <hes> shirts stuff like that and then a big thing that we'd like to do is <hes> the favourite candies and sweets right so I got a big stack of that kind the crap that I can hide in my little drawers and stuff like that right away from everybody else like he's reminds <hes> <hes> <hes> and then <hes> Gosh Kinda. Can you remember somebody that's bunch. I mean just bunch and things like that right. Shirts like all the dads stuff suffering like all that kind of stuff like a bunch of things like that and then <hes> <hes> the wife and I then went out today date right we went to Nelson Atkins and we ate it to yes plaza and I'd here's a fun fact the Mrs and I had never anyone ever either has been the Nelson Atkins Museum ever boggling to me. Oh Wow certainly now for full disclosure. Kansas City Museum for anybody lives out. Here is one of the I mean it's a premier art museum national the country and <hes> I mean it's big talk of the town. They always host big events and of course like if you're talking art museums that's the dawn mega and <hes> we never there now. I've only lived here since two thousand ten but that's nine years now. Oh Aghanistan dates me is irritates me is I have relatives who have lived in Independence Missouri their entire life and has neither been to the Truman home or the Truman Library Presidential Library so I grew up in Manhattan Kansas town at the time I lived there may about seventy thousand people and <hes> two hours away. I'd say from from Kansas City and I bet a whole bunch of people I grew up with had been to the Nelson Atkins and Neverland cancer if you're nine here's a never managed to go kids and went there like we go there here asking we're going there on a workout because starting Friday. They're doing a nine hole like mini golf. Thing in each hole is centered around one of they're museum like themes you know right and so we're going to do that as a workout but so yeah okay you went to the Nelson Atkins coffee at the Nelson Atkins. We did a coffee. Yes at the <hes> who is their coffee is his Co.. Yes yes I did get that and we walked around for a little bit had that and then we ate chewing on the plaza. The Mexican restaurant set on their mountains gorgeous day out there people <hes> <hes> try to avoid getting mugged in the plaza and I'm supplies is not bad these days <hes> when when the sun's out near nighttime don't be hanging out too late at night in the wrong parts but <hes> got to do that and then came back you know had to pick up the kids do all that kind of thing and then later went out with the kids for dinner. <hes> there's a brick oven pizzeria down the way and that was kind of the gist of what I want to do was I was like hey we've been so busy with the club and everything like I'm not trying to go out and do a bunch things. I'm not trying to you. Don't get lavish gifts. I'd rather just have that was like let's go do something. I don't really care what the hell it is right like. I did you go to did you go to the brick oven pizza place. That's by the legends choice. I've been there because we live close by here. You know so so that's kind of a go through that we go there yeah. It's it's Sporting K._C.. Soccer out in their staff is always friendly in its place good whiskies there right very makers marks <hes> and then you know pops called while we were there and we talked to Dan mom for a little bit that kind of stuff <hes> and you got a gift that goes back to you get you this for for birthday. We'll the answer's always yes and then you know it was a rhythm shirt from from no-holds-barred that I was in. I was in <hes> in that. Well you know my ass is is in the crowd literally yeah. The shirt had chipped yesterday so should be getting it here soon. They were down civil date and you're GONNA wear it. Yes yes you know the hand side too because his hand signs in W. O.. This yeah something weird yeah and then he just brought down the the front right do that everywhere and anybody that like gets it. You'll know instantly like you me man you me we are friends. Let's buy Go-to up down when you wear that shirt s because the wrestling themed bar I mean has other themes to but wrestling is one of the themes as well yeah. That's it's like eighties. Nineties themed Bar Retro Bar Retro Bar that plays pro wrestling is wrestling things all over the place and they're awesome and friends of the show a <hes> various incarnations of of how do shows and then the rest of the weekend <hes> Oh swim trunks soccer game. Tom and swim trunk had his so swimtrunks. My Son <hes> I most amazing games played dude got locked in in the zone right and I was like Oh holy shit this is about to get serious right like I just saw him playing differently and I was like wait a minute and there was one point he <hes> so you know I've always told him I was like the defensive principles man in the same as basketball right. Get your the guy goal-side stolen them get by right in this one kid at one point like he was just working these kids up and down the court. Every chain could get the kid gets the ball and swim trump goes up onto him right meets half half field. Whatever they call their soccer right sideline to sideline just does the strafe right in the kid just can't he just keeps bumping into him and he just keeps above and backstrokes in the hallway and finally the kid like pass it off and he looks over it as coach and he's like you need to that he does that? He's looking over his coach. Can he do that. Ahead like in the coaches like what Bangle play and I'm dying laughing right. I mean I'm over here just like trying not to laugh out loud right most like what and I was like that was the funny Shit I've ever seen in my life and I looked up at Hayden the sun and he's just looking over at me like when I'm on a fucker like he just you fucking saw cooking and I was like all right it's time to we're going to try to get them up. I mean like maybe get them onto the triumph for thing I think he's yeah the soccer zone in on him and it's kind of fun to watch. Really we know the sport. I've known some from what I'm watching but it's fun kind of seeing that like Oh shit and here we go like guys ready to roll so yes so that was kind of yeah so speaking of soccer. I went this past week into a Sporting K._C.. A. C. Game Now. I've been this is how weird it's been this year. I've been to more Sporting K._C.. Games than I have Kansas city royals games that's crazy and your big yeah and I haven't gone to Royals Game Sporting K._c.. It was fun again. The weird wacky rules of soccer irritated me because we're up one. Nothing I gets to ninety minutes so I like yeah five. They said a minimum in five minutes and just looked around. I said so no one knows what was done. One Guy and they're and they're like well kind of but you know they'll just gotTa keep playing and then the Damn Vancouver scores a goal and ties game and I said I want to win. I yelled at really loud music. I WanNa winter and everyone kind of giggled fucking Syria. It's annoying in those like in the stoppage-time where they'll even put it up there plus five and I'm like okay but it keeps going in. Sometimes it goes over for a minute. I'm like why did we do that. I've been explained that the idea is that they don't want the players knowing that all I've gotTa do stall time right like yeah but you hit a time out like every other sport you still do even when you're in stoppage time. You know you've gotTa Stop Time you just I don't know how much fucking time difference so the cool thing about that was dust and Colquitt. I don't know if he's still a current chief. Is he still because I think he did a rework deal. If I'm not mistaken yeah she's plenty. He gave us all free popcorn at the stadium. Got Free Popcorn got Spanish now stable well. He tried to do a goal kick and heart soul of ninety six five the local alternative station actually stopped shot and was like book. You let them have it. Yeah I stopped your shot and then they did another one where harmful didn't try as much and then we all got free popcorn so that was cool also on Saturday with to a two year old's birthday party but it was way hey cooler than a two year old's birthday party. This was my friends my friends they're kind of pseudo high school sweethearts and this they went to high school together the entire time and then dated after high school in two thousand we graduate Oh four. They started dating in Oh five so they knew each other. Yeah say somewhat similar things. I met her right after high school. She was still finishing. She was dating in front of mine for like three years Yada Yada so we can kind of tell people yeah to get the idea yeah right so the fun thing about this birthday. Party is the fun thing about the dynamic of this couple Chris <hes> a big friend we call him xbox because at one time you wait three hundred sixty pounds because the xbox three sixty right you still big but he is a Harley Davidson horror movie <hes> blue collar overalls. I know how to fix your transmission. GimMe your brake pads and art can make them new again Dan all of that right and so that's that's what they do with pets. They make them new again yeah right. You know how that works all that car stuff. I've been his best friend. I've been yeah probably best friend and he's been my best friend since seventh grade so we've on each other forever but you know so anyhow the majority of his friends are that right will he married his wife who's African American and her family is very much of the stereotype of we wear big hats to church. We were nice clothes on Sunday and this is a birthday party so that is treated very much like church on a Sunday so to see the the economy and the contrast of I'm wearing a Harley Davidson shirt and I have what I have genes have oil stains on them and contrast that with a genuine where they genuine conversation of a lady who is in the nicest silk dress I've ever seen in my life and a hat. That's as big as this House House on yeah because I've known each other forever to right so it wasn't like anyone yeah we've known each other. They had a little baby. Obviously this is a two year old birthday so you know families have met forever and ever but just the People Watch watch was fantastic so did that Sporting K._c.. Three of my teammates or friends <hes> fought this weekend. Megan unfortunately lost <hes> Felicia Spencer really good grant Dawson's at Cummings both won by submission grant Dawson actually got <hes> performance of the night so not only did he win his fight in his win bonus. He also excuse me got an extra fifty three end <hes>. Uh so that was good for him and then just been raining every five seconds. It feels like pretty cool to to say not only kick. This guy's ass kicked. This guy's ass better than anybody. Nobody else kicked anybody's ass arena on like Yep. Yeah I was the ass kicking. It got got an extra fifty grand because you got your asking the most ass kicked alias kicker of the anyway yeah it has been raining non. Damn stop and can't city get too high ground if you can. I live on but we've got a lot of water. That's for sure yes so hey now that is our the things that we've done mallets transition because this is a pro wrestling podcast and we need to talk about the pro wrestling of the world. Let's get into unfortunately the big news. Topic of the week is a sad note <hes> w._B._Z.. Diva Ashley Massaro that how you say the last name never competency is our has passed away <hes>. It's been kind of consensus although I don't believe in autopsy topsy has been released but it seems like the consensus is apparent suicide. She was thirty nine years old. <hes> she leaves behind a daughter. There is a gofundme me if you would like to support her daughters education <hes> looks to be already twelve thousand dollars raise which is phenomenal. They got a big goal there but if you want to help out go find that this is podcast we don't have links that we can put to you now but <hes> Yeah Ashley Zara the one thing I remember about her and this is one of you know how my brain works. You've been doing this podcast with me for five. She's the first female wrestler to get PYRO. That's what I remember. The only thing I ever remember about her. Yeah I always remember the name but I kind of playboy and that was kind of like at the end of the W._b.. Playboy relationship yeah yeah there was a lot of contention between them for a while and I know she's had a rough go of it and was dealing with things and then obviously you know obviously consensus is this nets add to. That's another thing you know like talk to folks seek. nope yeah for help. Call a friend. I guarantee you any friend that you have will definitely try to <hes> listen the best they can when you're in a time of need so I guess that's the lesson learned. Obviously that's easier said than done as we you know gas bag on a pro wrestling podcast podcast but <hes> you know as far as her career and W._W._e.. I think like I said I remember that weird factoid that she was the first female wrestler to have pyro. I don't know why always remember that but I do <hes> she was also kind of in in the middle of win. Women's wrestling wasn't necessarily taken steadily right when it was Tori Wilson's Candice Michelle's <hes> lay cool <hes> natty was just kind of arriving on the scene so she was in that weird flux of we're starting to do something but we're not doing anything really and we used to do the brown paintings but we're trying not to anymore. She was in that kind of weird <hes> phase of transition <hes> but yeah it's unfortunate fortunate. That is the biggest news of the week so we felt the need to cover it <hes> condolences to any of her family friends obviously if you're listening you know who knows but <hes> yeah unfortunate series of events there yeah it is in <hes>. I guess we should just move on so we don't keep having you know make it awkward. I guess <hes> what else was. Let me pull this up again here. <hes> oh I this one's a quick blow by just hit me. We didn't discuss this off air. <hes> we don't go to deepen <hes> Ruby riot during the same Zane GonNa have to shoulder operations had one already getting another one a little bit time ruby riot really man and that sucks because you know why I think that's a real big blow. Oh is because you had people like Nyah Jackie winter I think to knee surgeries and you had some people kind of trying to find their their way and Ruby riot throughout the Ronda Rousey Becky Lynch <hes> Charlotte flare thing it was ruby riot that always had to take the pin fall to make those three look good. I felt like maybe this would have been a good time to get her like hey you that favor yeah. Here's your you know payback for two months para something something the other thing that I think it plays poorly on as far as timing is when you had the rue the riot squad she could at least gone out there and who knows how the shoulder surgery because I had shoulder Sergio's and a sling but assuming you can get back relatively quick she could have at least been a manager right walking out there cutting promos but now the riot squad is no more so now. She's really often no-man's-land kinda just hanging out. You're looking at her shoulders getting operated on fishing to see this another one where I hope you do a bit more of a Bray Wyatt. You know where you come back with something a little different form. You know what I mean like because what orange sense right yeah or more intense but mostly so you're not because I don't like what Ruby right or character is or anything. She was necessarily fine in her character and look it was just weird the Chad these two also rans that weren't like her. You know that made it weird <hes> but yeah just give me a little like that. You've that you felt like okay. I'M GONNA come out swing into this. This is going to be my angle. This is going to be my right like so yeah. I hope my hope with her. Is I enjoy in concept. The riot squad but you know the rumor is that we're going to T._V.. Fourteen once we get to a Fox we're GONNA get a little bit more serious. GonNa get a little bit more crazy back up to the fun days. Fourteen right and Awa was going to be on your ass to so with that said if you come back with the riot squad. Let's not just have ketchup. Mustard squirt scored it on a fucking sign. Let's actually fucking 'cause Goddamn riot yeah. Let's fucking put people on easy. You know like spray paint broken glass. Someone fucking scared for their light tagline right like everywhere. I know I leave a trail spray paint and broken glass. You know what I mean Yeah Zillow and do it yeah burly person shortage we would behind that fasten the becky lynch thing man because that's what we like hell. Yes somebody being bad ass. Yeah go shave a leashes Fox head. You know give her a six head already got five all right <hes> that body shaming all right. Let's see <hes> also then we've got a <hes> so the Saudi Arabia show whatever the hell they're calling this one now the super showdown <hes> it's as big as Wrestlemainia area so that means their contract to make sure it comes across as bigger than Wrestlemainia or else. They're going to get beheaded right there on the spot that too far Daniel Brian's out no because it could be true Hang O'Brien is out Kevin Owens out see museum is Bayan Yeah he might get bad at if he shows up and then who was the fourth there were only put the list team bro Black Alastair Black is off to maybe that makes sense why we haven't seen his promos on smackdown because you know it was like Promo Promo Promo and then I think last two weeks we haven't seen anything so that explains the Kofi these last two challengers big big opponents owens and Brian now so yeah they had a Russian doll. Which of course we'll talk more about down the road but yes yes <hes>? What do you think of the Saudi deal? I mean they're making there's no they're gonNA just make so much money they that they're just like what you know no publicity's bad publicity and we can play it off as we're trying to make headway. We're trying to make improvements meanwhile. They're just taking money money money money yeah and I I think you know if any time this deal was going to fall apart. It was at the last show the weeks before that with getting beheaded in murdered in embassy <hes> on the you know request request of the Saudi Arabian prince you know anytime in their relationship. That was the one time that W._b.. Could have you know wash their hands of this and moved away but they leaned in and did the show and did it even with more fanfare and Dada Yada Yada so what's stopping them now right for wrestlers who cares as long as three of them show up. They'll make a show and buck everyone else right so you know hey like I said I think this is the biggest eve of Spanish announce table that we've ever had because we could be on the cusp of something huge A. W. Bento turn it of that. We're looking for so what I say is. If that is true. God hopes that to help us and hope that A._W._S.. What we hope it to be 'cause then fuck Saudi Arabia show? I got nothing I got whatever we're calling w you know all elite wrestling paper views and fuck your Saudi Arabia. I don't have to watch because there's an alternative. There isn't that's going to be so nice <hes> well yeah. That's you know yeah. It's just whatever to me like I'm not really interesting. I M somewhat in the Kofi Dolf portion but I just don't feel like well. Maybe do make a move because they've got to make it appear bigger than Wrestlemainia. Maybe they have Kofi lose over there. Oh no no tim this house. Show remember that is always anger. Show go wrestlemainia. It's a house show. They've never done any the only thing they've ever done at one of these shows Titus O'Neil fell through the fucking bottom of the race. Yeah that's it everything else is a bullshit who cares and that's what this is going to be. The one thing on paper that would have been cool twelve years ago was Goldberg versus undertaker who the fuck cares Gobert says even shown up on T._v. and the damn things in two weeks. Neither is undertaker acre. That's true and they won't they won't I bet they don't I bet it's just they just show up Goldberg undertaker like no promos no net so stupid if they promos. I bet they run on Saudi Arabian T._V.. Be Hundred Percent Yeah. We don't fucking care. We don't cares this is going to be worse than the D._A._X.. Brothers of destruction because at least triple h knows how to construct a match and Goldberg. We're definitely done an undertaker doesn't really want to write. It seems that way so anyhow. Let's stop her bitchy. Let's get Outta here after this. We got some fun to look forward to. We're GONNA guess our way through some talent. We've never heard word of in all leads. <hes> W another babe review a lot of the talent we know most of the talent we don't and you're gonNA find out who is who after the break yeah we will do that. I'm just pulling it up now. I don't know who the half the voter SARS is going to be fun all right. We'll do we don't back. It'll thanks fuck that do that. When we come back to the Spanish stable fun fact thirty seven percent of Netflix users binge-watch t._v.'s while at work mark this Spanish announce table Tom it's been awhile? I think I should remind June the listeners. We've got an Amazon link on our website Spanish table L. Dot net. We sure do Amazon where you can get any and everything from homegoods to those on fish expansion yeah okay yeah I was going to just say lavish gifts. They have it all yeah. Amazon doesn't pay taxes but they'll give kickback. If you go through our Amazon link and buy something through the Spanish non-staple dot net click on the link at the top and then as always you are not affected at your price point but we do get a a little bit of kickback which is great for us and great for you because the more money we make from that we invest into this podcast win win for all parties involved suspension ounce table Dot net Amazon link right at the top and thanks this Spanish announce table right <hes> Tom. I am <hes> I'm all in ready to go double or nothing. <hes> let's see how I can cheesy <hes> <hes> because feeling elite right yep there it is right. Let's talk about it man. Let's talk about this big double. Oh nothing we're all excited about this. <hes> all of us being the two of us. We are all excited about this new all elite wrestling in its potential. Yes and I think more so than just their potential. It's that we are whoa wanting seen an alternative and it seems like this could be right other promotions. It's hard to say get behind it because they've been doing things for so long and really didn't work out. This has a clean slate doesn't have the stain of T._N._A.. Name or yeah however it's also veterans who'd been doing this for awhile right right some of which have banned me on twitter which is pretty great. Thanks young buck still hate Ya but hopefully you do successful business. This is here because I'm excited <hes> but yeah to go more so it is veterans right. You have the Chris Jer because you have the cody's. You have the gold dust you've billy guns. You have yet Kenny you have guys know what they're doing in here and they have proven track record at least with one show right so they can do these one offs. I think they're big. Challenge is going to do the weekly. Show we saw the last pay per view last year was a success. It was really cool. All of it was awesome so I don't think this one's going to be bad any regard <hes>. I think they're challenge is going to be hey. It's week six of your T._v.. Show can you still do something. That's GonNa keep our attention. That's their challenge <hes> but with this one specifically they they went <hes> really smart with their matchmaking. You know the Kinney Omega Kris Jenner Go. Let's not fiddle fard around do some other shit with them. Let's get them together because we know this is going to be money right. I like that kind of booking where they're like. You know what you want like. We're not gonNA push right yeah Cody Dustin. We're not doing the whole you know we're putting sid with Hogan and savage with flair like this is the equivalent of we're putting Hogan and flare together luring you so down the road will give you that we know what we have right now. We can build the other things but right now. Let's hit you with our greatest hits kind of thing and I liked that. That's so great and we don't need to save the best relax because we'll come up with something better after give you the best that's how I like Yeah Bowl Yeah so let's get into this. I am going into the wikipedia page for this account so this may not be the order of the matches but this is how I see it <hes> <hes> so I do know on the kickoff show they're going to do the twenty one casino battle royale the big name that was released <hes> for this upcoming <hes> Battle Royale Shawn Spears Aka tie dillinger is going to Vena out in this <hes> but let's just break this card down. I'll start with that and then we can go through the rest of the card so <hes> the twenty one man Sinoe Battle Royale was announced that the winner of this battle Royale will be. <hes> <hes> <hes> the first participant that will be a challenge for the first ever Awa world title so here's some of the participants as announced on Wikipedia you have Sunny Kiss Ace Romero glacier because you know you have to have at a royal with Glacier Brian Film in junior M J F Joey Vanilla Billy Gunn Jimmy Havoc jungle boy and as mentioned Shawn Spears so the twenty one man Casino Battle Royale who you got. I'm going to be bold. I'm going to go with the person that they have talked about for seems like months on their roads double or nothing. I am going to pick pick 'em J. F. and that is because let's just skip around because we don't know that were the card. I want to skip around because I want to go into the next match. I'm picking 'EM G._I._F.. Because if the two participants that battle for the all the <hes> first world heavyweight championship is the winner of the twenty one man battle royal and the winner of Chris Jerko Kinney Omega. I'm going to go with Kenny Omega which then would lead he'll J. Jeff against baby-faced Kitty Omega and then you get the baby face champion Kinney Omega as your first ever all league wrestling heavyweight champion so that's why I got M._J.. Better oil and that's why I also have Kenny Omega versus Chris Jericho Tidbit about this card as we go into the Saturday event a one match that was pulled because of quote creative differences is hangman page versus pock because reportedly from Dave Meltzer pock doesn't lose to anyone now now and park was apparently GonNa get a no finish a D.. Q. Or maybe lose and he said ain't doing that and man pock look you are starting to sound exactly like Bret Hart and almost being exactly like Bret Hart in this regard. You are amazing in the ring. Bret Hart was amazing in the ring but you outside of the ring or taking yourself a little too serious Powell. I I get the frustration you had in W._W._e.. Because right made you and I understand that and to a certain degree fuck off you WanNa do some things creatively that are fucking cool but but hey pal if you're listening this is fucking cool event to be a part of so if you happen to lose no one's GonNa fuck and really remember like they might remember if you put on an amazing match or they might remember it as like a footnote. If this becomes a huge you know real competitor to to W._B.. But it's not gonNA kill your career to lose fucking match POW Chris Jericho so I'm named after I'll I'll give you a funny story about myself and then I'll tied into pock and what I think he's doing doing right now so fun fun fact about me. I'm named after the band Tommy James and the Sean Dell's they sang mony mony crystal blue persuasion. They are a big act in the sixties. One of my dad's favorite bands right well. Tommy James Thought that with a couple of hits that they had and you can look them up I said crystal blue persuasion mony mony few other ones right that they were on a roll and that they should be a little bit. You know getting top billing because they had some hits rolling in right well a little event called Woodstock invited them to be a part of this event and they didn't like the placement that they were going to be on on this card so they said no and pock doc you. Kinda sound like Tommy James in the Sean Dell's where I'm hoping that this is going to be like woodstock type of but you have your chance to be on this card but you say I don't really lose and look at you now so so if you were like just as a joke made me a job or I don't lose. I'm leaving L.. Show them. I don't lose well now. You're on the card that is screaming. We'll show you know like at least once Ed Lee and you know that these guys will definitely let you play ball. You have to know from your own experience. We know that crew right like he's yeah and it could go to a no do they. Don't like they know us out. Yes that match will not be on. They're going back to Chris. Jericho Kenny Omega matched that will be on there. I think it's going to be fun. I think it's going to be great. Chris Jericho already weirdly has another match setup for the new Japan Porous Lane heavyweight championship with Okada which I think is interesting because how will that play into this but Kenny Omega got winning that next match. We've got so cal L. uncensored which is Christopher Daniels still going Frank Frankie Kazarian still going and then they're upstart Scorpio sky versus strong hearts and I don't know strong completely transparent with you so I'm going so callen censored days seem like the cool group. I think they need a little bit. <hes> of a rub of from the maybe casual viewer that's tuning in for the first time to see them <hes>. I like their whole <hes> <hes> this town sucks kind of thing <hes> and Frankie Zarian Scorpio Sky Christopher Daniels isn't as good as it used to be can still go just as good as anyone else. I got so cal censored. I really wish I knew the match placement because if this was first match at the gate I'm going strong heart and so cal uncensored you know what I mean like slightly screw up and then they use that when they go further down the road but if this later Joe Yeah they're so callan censor but like the like funny keells you know what I mean. We're like everyone kind of laughs. Adam not like moving them. Okay Yeah Yeah while I was GonNa say they do some. He'll tax win here but yeah. I'm still going to go so calendar to game just next. We've got Brit Baker. Versus Nyla rose versus Kylie Ray in a triple threat fun thing that they've been doing with this angle of a match is brandy. WHO's in charge of the women's division at all eat wrestling essentially been telling all three? Hey I think you're the one that's GonNa win. I think you have the advantage over the other girl saying it's all three three obviously Brit Baker <hes> in a relationship romantically with Adam Cole Bay <hes> and his doctor so you know she's got some fun. gimmicks already built in Nyla Rose Powerhouse Kylie Ray <hes> really the great. I'm going to Baker and this just because I know her again. I know her so I was doing the base up. That was their first leg females or you know or you know what actually I'm GonNa go left field here. I'm GonNa Go Kylie Ray and I'm going to go brandy roads gets involved and cost Britt Baker the match and that way we can get brainy wrote wrestling gene and it's against someone established in the I._W._C. With Baker. That's what I'm doing <hes>. I'm going Kylie Ray all right now. We've got the team that has banned me on twitter blocked me on one hundred percent the young I I used to call him counts but I'm going to be nice 'cause I hope that this really works for everyone <hes> the Young Bucks Matt and Nick Jackson versus and I'm not trying to because I'm trying to be all in on the wrestling but I think the second best tag team in the World Deluce Brose of Pentagon zero and Phoenix I'm going. I don't think everyone can win. That's all we guy right like I don't think you're GONNA get cody and Kenny and when young bucks and Hangman and all that so I'm going to go with a kind of a left field booking thing to keep us on her toes. I'm going Luce brose. I thought rose the same field. This feels exactly like what all eat wants to do. Here's a look bras. We got him look. They're great. They want you know what I mean. fluffed up a little bit <hes> so just to be different too so we can have a little play. I'll I'll go with the young bucks just got the Liberals but <hes> I agree with you. One of the past tag teams in the World They R._V. D. and Sambu in two thousand nineteen a passable match in T._N._A.. That doesn't how good they are all right now. We've got <hes> going back to. I know that this is going to be on the kickoff on their youtube channel. All league wrestling <hes> KIP Sabin Sabin versus semi guerra. I believe is having say his name. I'm going to see me. He's a <hes> Lucia Asia Unmasked Wrestler good-looking Guy <hes> I think Guevarra stare because I'm not good at talking even the idea podcast. Thanks for listening but I'm going to Sammy. I think he's going GonNa be there if this is like two thousand three T._N._A.. I think this is going to be there A._J.. Styles you know how like yeah I think he's GonNa be at kind of were making this guy the next thing I and then maybe he's just me guessing here but everything that I see from their road to all eat wrestling <hes> the promotion putting them on the Youtube Channel for free unlike putting them on the pay per view where I get lost in the shuffle. I that's my gut feeling feeling that same. He's GonNa be there guy so I suck at reading an pronouncing names that I've never seen before so you WanNa give this six woman tag team match a shot con- you suck Ezaki you've seen that <hes> Robert Deniro Saturday night live skit where he's the leader of Homeland Security and he's listing off names that have been called into their hotline and he's like we've got a surprising using amount of names of tips from high school and college boys and it was like a one. He's like we're looking for you. Stroke it out. Watch like to go on for ten minutes. It's great all right so astrakan Yuko Sake Emmy Sakura. I'm probably butchering these whereas <hes> who used to help us out with a string yeah Rashida Reijo obey and Rio Mizunami probably got all those I bet I got astrakan right. I'm going with Isaac Kong and Yuka Suge Zaki and Emma Sakura Imi yeah. I'M GONNA go the other ones because they've got belts. It looks like Okay Victim Lincoln. They're here you go ladies and gentlemen. We don't know what the fuck we're talking about with this match. Let's just move on. We've got the best friends Chuck Taylor and Trent Baretta Ah versus Jack Evans and ANGELICO. I'm going best friends. These other guys look like maybe they've got like a <hes> <hes> dirt bike gimmick going on or something here who's at the best friend Angelique Oh and jacket Oh yeah you know the best Fr- yeah but I'm going best friends. I think they're fun. Stupid dumb there. They remind me of chuck and Billy Right. This is chuck and Trent Right. I that's why I'm going best friends. I think they they are well established. I think that's a good fun you know build upon for the next supplicant shows on A._W._S.. Website at the at the card right and they've got little pictures are they a poster of each match list the card and Angela go and Jack Evans do look like they've got this like like the race dirt bikes the Gimmick right there. They look like every guy that you've ever seen like that so the best friends too because I don't like that in the best friends have a new shirt on pro wrestling tease where it looks like the old school n._B._A.. Jam where it has like the cartoon type character faces and then like attributes of speed power and stuff and I think the last one is Dong size is which I think is funny and they both have zero <hes> so I'm going with them next and I think will be the main of could be Chris Jericho in Kidney Omega but could also be this match. You have cody Rhodes taking on his brother. Her Dustin Rhodes in what he is describing as not a brother versus brother but a generation versus generation because he despises so much of the attitude era and I think it's because he can't draw that money but I that's just my opinion. I hope all wrestling does draw that money by its cody Rhodes Dustin Rhodes so he got Tim Cody I think he they're not I mean I don't think dozens hanging around to be an active wrestler. I don't think they're going to give him the field good sendoff right I think I think this is. I think code is going to get vicious. In this is gonNA come across people they like. He is a little bit savage a little bit psycho so the the thing with me and cody as far as my following of his career on the independent scene is I can't ever tell if he's he's like cool Bagai bad guy bad guy or like cool baby face like I don't know what he is and I think this match is going to establish what he's going to be an all wrestling because you know he had had his little mini feud in the bullet club between him and Kinney Omega and he was kind of position as like the he'll and Kinney Omega was kind of like the Macho man in the wwl kind of thing but then fast forward to the all men pay per view and you get that sentimental moment where he wins N._W._e._a.. Title over Nick Aldus he holds the belt over his head. You know he feel like he's the baby face there so I still can't figure out what he is and I think this match will establish it. I'm going Dustin Rhodes as Kerr. It'd be like a schoolboy. I think it's going to be like you said something. Vicious chair shot after chair shot after chair. Shy goes up for his last chair shot. Get Schoolboy Dustin Rhodes gets one one two three and now we get like the hell on earth cody. That's identify everyone out. Yeah Okay Yeah that could be fun to is cody biggest name on the scene. Well that depends on who you asked in my opinion. I think it's Chris Jericho yeah. I think you're right there. I guess it depends on yet. What what context doing mean I guess you could certainly say the hippest and maybe we're gonNA throw term like that it well yeah? That's what I was going to say. Your total package of age charisma work rate Promo all of that. I'm GonNa get the hottest thing with India. I can make my star of mine I would I would say over Kenya Omega Buddy Yeah Guinea Omega puts on you know fifteen five star matches and this is just me talking and maybe I my opinion changes and again again. I hope it does as I get more invested in those product but Kenny Omega just seems to Dorky for I don't care how many cool moves you do. When you talk like your fucking you know Weirdo in front of your Mir down to your mom's basement? I don't fucking hear from you and he kind of has that vibe cody's cool. I want to hang out with Cody Kenny Omega. I feel like we'll challenge me to fuck in <hes> Zelda match and I don't fucking shit about that you know what I mean. uh-huh fuck off and that is the same like if you like that that's cool again. Pro Wrestling's big enough to where we can all find our little niches are niches and just dig into that so I don't need to like the video the Chris Jericho and cody's ladies. I am assuming cody of the we're GONNA get a beer. We're not gonNA fucking play Xbox or whatever it is you know in cody gives up that by. Maybe he plays video games with these guys. I don't know but the the character cody is someone I wanNA hang out all right so I mean I you know who don't spend a whole lot of time assignment up and given our deep thoughts on this. Everybody knows where we stand by. Hope so here's off right. Were so excited we're going to you're watching it. We'll talk off line on how we're GONNA. Watch it because I might be going to your house because that'd be fine because you always come to mind so I can go to yours. We'll talk about that but here's the biggest rumor and I guess we got to address it before. It happens does does Johnny Moxley appear at double or nothing yeah. I think he does the easy answer. Is that battle royale but I also would be surprised if you didn't show up to help somebody ed right like maybe he shows up. There's the final blow to dust and in his cody's right here man or something you know. There's always that while car but I I do think we see John. I my gut says no and this is why I think they know they're kinda again. I keep using the same term but I can't think of anything else and it's pun intended. I guess but I feel like they're going all in on this card. <hes> with the Chris Jerko Kenny Omega Lucia brose versus as young bucks all of that stuff that I don't think if they're smart they wa