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Golden Knights Vs Sharks Postgame Special Game 7

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Golden Knights Vs Sharks Postgame Special Game 7

"Unless you stanley cup finals and it was tough to lose tonight it was it was not really the way we lots of hockey. I mean like i said i'm sure he's all seen on t._v. There was no intent. I feel awful. Let yoghurt no. He's a classic bass player. Whether team will you know everybody loves them but there was no intent there was no high stakes that hit him in the face when stash need come out. He's got caught up and he found me isolates fortunate part of it and it was an awful call. We all seen it. It's too bad we ended up losing to that because we're in control hockey. Hello everybody welcome in to the golden egg podcast. I am ben goes coming to you. From the review journal studios after the five four overtime loss to the san jose sharks in game seven of their first round playoff series that of course ends the nights season. There's a lot to talk about. There's a lot to get into with this game but i am natasa to <hes> some of my colleagues at this game in san jose a first up <hes> adam hill adam. I'll just ask you what's the mood leg right now both at the s._a._p. Center and <hes> at the car you are currently driving back to your hotel room yeah. We've got a car full of r._j. Staffers after a covering the game here in the wee hours of wednesday morning now <hes> just kind of driving back. I think it's shock. I think i'm sure they golden knights. Fans are shocked. I think the players are angry. There's also going to be you know some shock when it kind of settles zan exactly what happened. I'm sure the fans and then even media that covered the game. You know it's not like there's you know you don't have a stake in it as far as you. You know being a fan or anything like that. You're just gonna covering into watching what happened but <hes> i think as you watch it unfold. Everybody was kind of leaning toward okay when that third goal is scored max factor in the third period say all right. It's three nothing big league. No lead changes so far in the series this things over and everybody's got their minds turn to the writing story and heading out getting back to vegas and then traveling to colorado next week and all of a sudden in in an instant everything changes and it was kinda crazy how that i changed and i'm sure we'll we'll check the call and everything that went on there and the and the the ill-fated penalty kill but really it was like not a you know not in wide open open space anything like that. It's just kind of off face off. You don't really expect a whole lot to happen and then all of a sudden you see fulfil ski laying there bleeding. There's a call that kinda changes the course. I have two franchises so i think anything other than being shocked right now. <hes> would would kind of weird. I think that's the feeling everybody else yeah. I think absolute shock doc is totally the right word. I mean you heard a gold nights coach j._r. Golan say even after the game. This is feels worse than losing the stanley cup final last year <hes> so many mood shifts in this game so many swings of emotion of course you had a charge coach bora after the game you know this is the craziest game i've had been involved with certainly is just a person who's grew up around hockey watched a lot of hockey. It's one of the craziest games i've ever seen and as you mentioned there's obviously so much to get into specifically with the game but i do wanna quick introduce the other stellar member of our crack coverage chain that is david shane who somehow had to write a game story amidst all the game seven chaos dave aldous. Get your initial impressions. What did we just witness. I don't know it's probably gonna take me a good. You know whatever a fear and sitting around thinking about. I mean it's just there was so much on the third period was just like i mean i remember like ego to disneyland and you get on a big thunder mountain and they have that speech about you know hang on your hats and glasses this. Here's the wildest ride in the west. That was the third period i mean it was every which lose up down around <hes> i know i was talking to shang after and he was kind of recollecting about a kings game from ninety eight that kind of had a similar <hes> outcome. It was like a three nothing game and there was a major penalty. Everything kind of turn things like that so i mean it's crazy. It's like completely unprecedented <hes> to have something like this happen but i just think the circumstances and a game seven to be up three nothing you you know with the the series having been up three one and all the perilous situations everything just kind of teetering. I mean i yeah i mean i. I know i have a hard time processing it. I can't imagine what it's like you know for the players and coaches and and folks that organization right now yeah absolutely in david wanna. Let's stay with you real quick so we can get your thoughts on of course the play of the game the one that we're all going to be talking about for a really long time and fans it. Can we talk about for years. I mean this is a play that basically becomes part of the fabric of a franchise in a very bad way and as someone who grew up around minnesota sports. I'm very familiar with a lot of these plays but the face off in the third period code you can get to stick kind of up high by joe pavelski head that area polski stumbles back into paul stazzone. He falls over onto the ice of after game. He said he was he was quote. Clearly unconscious clearly out while he was on the ice. There's of course a lot of blood on the ice so it of course looks bad and eventually cody eakin gets called for a crosscheck a major penalty and of course a game misconduct which removes him from the game and gives these sharks a five minute power play me and before we even get get to know the result of what happened because of that call i mean just your general thoughts on the decision the referees made and at at that moment i mean i don't wanna get into like a whole journalism conversation and philosophical. Whatever about all this and i mean it's you know obviously like adam said we don't have anything invested in this up certainly not a fan <hes> so it's a little hard for me to kind of inject my opinion into it but just from you know trying to look at it. Objectively i mean it was pretty clear. I thought that the replay showed that he crossed active in the chest now. Should it have been a two minute major. I mean sorry a two minute minor. Guess maybe you could argue that. I mean it was a pretty clear crosscheck. I also also know as somebody that grew up playing center. You're kind of taught you know win. Lose draw you tie the center up and i'm sure that's ican was doing just trying to be physical. Give have michelle and it looked like he did it. In an area that was probably safe to do so <hes> and then everything just kind of <hes> at that point obviously is elsie falling off balance and kind of getting twisted up stazzone and i couldn't tell if he kinda got slew footed a little bit or what sent him kinda sideways but i mean clearly the blood the damage and impact in the injury and things like that were from <hes> the impact of fidel getting the ice as opposed to you can stick so as far as like a five minute major and things like that and you know we yeah. I requested to have a pool reporter. Go get this comment from the officials and they basically just kind of said you know look they look do not it was a major. I think what was weird to me was the way that it was similar to. I guess <hes> which was the game was a game five. I believe when march so knocked out teeth yes and the way that the officials kind of didn't call anything up first and then kind of assess damage then called it almost like retroactively. I guess in the way that they seem to do that tonight. I think maybe maybe at least from some nights fan standpoint aside from the fact and they felt like it wasn't a major penalty that there's just that involved in it that it just felt like if they didn't call it right away and they had huddle and do all these other things and it was pretty obviously on replay hey that he didn't get him your head to how they go back and you know just kind of randomly decide to do this but you know things happen. Fast fast game and you know obviously i think the bigger issue i mean we can debate the penalty and whether it was or wasn't oh well we can't debate is how the night's reacted to it and they reacted very poorly. Their penalty penalty kill was you know running ragged they give up a goal seven seconds into it and everything just kind of seemed to snowball escalate amass so yeah you know yelling screaming and stop your feet about the rafts but you also have to look at it objectively and say the nights you know penalty kill is this is really what let them down and you know if they were able to get out of that thing three one even maybe three to you know maybe they're able to kind of hang on for the last last seventy minutes or so but obviously the way that they weren't able to do that. Kinda put themselves in a hole that they tried to dig out and ultimately march so school. Got him to overtime but you know i there's just it's hard. There's there's just kind of so much goes into it a whole lot of layers <hes> you know but i guess objectively speaking to answer your question no. I didn't think it should have been a five minute major. No yeah you mentioned that statement we got from syria supervisor don van massenhoven and he said the referees called a cross-checking penalty foreign infraction that caused a significant injury in their judgment. The infraction and it's result merited a major a penalty and of what's of course tough for the referee in that situation is he seeing that and there's no sort of video review system in play right now for the n._h._l. To look at penalties and specifically major penalties like they could with goaltender interference or offsides goals etc etc and that certainly seems like that will be a talking point moving forward as to whether these will become a reviewable plays <hes> but adam kind of want to go back to you and we've heard dave's thoughts on the initial call and i think let's get into how the night's reacted to it on the ice later but how do they react to it off the ice. What is the mood in the locker room. Surrounding this call we're going to hear from jonathan marshall and get his very unfiltered thoughts on it in a second but <hes> the rest of the locker and what was kind of the mood in their surrounding that call it was interesting. I thought marshall was the only guy that was really fired up for lack of a better term i i thought you know talk. Guy like max. Patch ready was kind of as you would expect kind of the stoic the captain from the canadians that you've come to snow and kennedy said the right things and he was clearly depressed clearly now <hes> but it wasn't it wasn't the the fire and fury that we <hes> from marshall show and to a lesser extent charge who is certainly upset with the call. <hes> you know other guys around the locker room. Garcia arcelia was down. Pre nick knight was was certainly down. There was just a lot of real sadness around the room except for more zone. I actually think there might have been more anger <hes> that guys were just trying to cover and hide and i'll say this. It was one of those fairy very long on cooling off periods out in the hallway where i'm sure there was a lot of things <hes> say being discussed loudly. Maybe thrown around <hes>. You don't really know what's going on in that room but <hes> i think by the time we were in there. The guys that talked are kind of the guys that you knew what to say and do how to handle their emotions except for marcia ourselves as as you would expect it to be as you said you listen to what he said. He certainly kirsty compared it. That's what happened with the saints at the end of that n._f._c. championship game so <hes> yeah i think it's going to be very interesting to see you know when they have their indices and availability which could be sentenced tomorrow <hes> how they are kind of processing things and how yeah they're talking about because you know there's there's different stages of emotion when he goes through these things. I'm sure there was anger. There's at some point going to be said. There's going to be the the sadness acceptance at some point that your summers started going to be a long long off season that i think about a lot of things but certainly it very very tough situation. Yeah definitely tough situation. You know stirred up a lot of emotion coach drug lots that after the game it was an awful call and i'll just toss it to jonathan marshall and let you give <hes> let you hear his thoughts because they were certainly interesting was stolen was not i think what and twelve minutes scored four goals on the parkway timmy feed off. The bad call came back for three of the big goal in overtime. I give him in credit. Somporn agreed hockey team. They can hardly old fi three one big. Ill will game in ten minutes. How how tough is it going to be knowing that that's the story throughout the thing with the voters say sense of trump. Obviously human error exists as the everybody. You need extra help. They just got involved the games. All the back hall with a rare sounder starts one all right so it's important to note the call that of course jonathan marshall justice disgust in epic detail. There happened about nine. I'm minutes and thirteen seconds into the third period that point the nights are up three nothing and of course in total control of that game and within the end of of that five minute penalty they were not leading that game these sharks scored four power play goals within the span of four a one because a five minute major that does not revert back to five on five after all the sharks rail to just keep firing away and a lot of those pucks went in the net <hes> adam from your view kind of on the ice. It really just seemed like once. The golden knights started letting goals in they couldn't stop and they just lost all the momentum momentum so so quickly how did disaster happen so fast on the penalty kill which started the game really really well yeah and played well in the series. I mean if you if you look at it give up his many our goals in that stretch and they had in the entire series. I it it was it's one of those things. I think it's it's difficult to explain at some point. You know with all the other cats that have after the game. You don't really get to analyze it as much as you want to. I've i've definitely wanna watch back to see how it snowballed on top of each other but i think you know you go into that five minutes. You're angry that had happened or upset. You've given a little bit of hope to the sharks when they really didn't have much time and then the the fact that they give up a goal so quickly is right away on the power play back. I think was devastating so you're you're thinking about. It and i think you're thinking in terms of all right. It's a five minute penalty. You know two and a half times normal would be that she's trying. Try to kill off the first two minutes and then if we give up a goal a goal. It's three one and maybe even if you give up to as they were saying earlier. It's three to you still have elite. You're still holding onto your thought process completely shift when you give up that gold right away just seconds into the top seven seconds. I was like okay now. You've got almost just an entire five minutes five minutes <hes> to try to figure out how to prevent another goal from happening and then it's it's another one fairly quickly after that and we start it just really panicking and i think you saw a sense of panic from the golden knights of being a position of you know what is going on here. We just had this game one and now not only do we only have one goal but now they're still you know. Three minutes left on this on this penalty. Kill it it was it was just one of those things that i think this built on top of each other. Ah momentum got crazy. The arena was insane. How loud it was and people just stopping crazy and just the atmosphere was out of control. I think it was just like <hes>. It was an overwhelming moment and they just they lost in the low. Allow two chances obviously slurry. <hes> didn't get his it didn't get good face it on all those talks and there's bodies everywhere and there are a screeners and and you know the flesh is just it was so much going on on that on on the penalty kill <hes> with such a game seven. It's the third period of game seven in a game that you all of a sudden have opened. It was just everything that you could expect to happen. There happened ended. It just spiraled out of control so i think it's just one of those things where sometimes it's or it's sometimes momentum matters and sometimes it doesn't momentum says well all these good is the next all really early but <hes> you saw right there where it really come into play and i just think it was one of those cases where each gold is built on itself and built on each other. You know i think it was <hes>. There's been some discussion on the meteoroid. We're talking about the fact that the nights waited a long time and drug waited a long time and use that time out and try to calm things down or abo abo three two they could have used it and try to calm things down there but that atmosphere has got carried away it got it got you know it it pulled away from them and i think they just lost all composure and he saw that lead to those of the shark scored and before you know it it wasn't even you know wasn't he's an elite. You're holding onto. It's a deficit staring at and it was just an unbelievable turn of events that one that you very rarely see certainly very rarely see yeah. I it could not believe what i was seeing back year at our regional studios. I'm sure it was obviously as you mentioned crazy in the s._a._p. Center and yeah i think the key was i mean they scored right away took about six seconds for logan coacher to put one in the net to make it three one. You could tell the sharks were fired up. Obviously copa veliky such a you know big big veteran for that team you could tell they wanted to come up big for him so they score really quickly than just forty nine seconds after that they get the second goal with the great eight tomas hurdle deflection into the net scores again kevin the bank all of a sudden beats flurry and everything is just going the sharks sway and like i say this all happens within a period of four minutes and one second game time <hes> so dave was there i mean what was the the reaction i guess from some of the guys in the locker room when we heard that you know brayden mcnabb talked and they had been such a good penalty killing team. How was this able to completely get away from them because as you put in your story this is the third time in n._h._l. Playoff history that a team has scored four goals in a five minute major. It is hard to score four goals in a five minute. Major is hard to give up four goals in a five minute major and so it's a really good look for the sharks wchs and not a great look for the knights penalty. Kill i mean they didn't have a lot of answers to be quite honest. <hes> bought a head shaking a a lot of staring at the the ground and just trying to come up with. You know some sort of explanation. I don't think any of them really <hes> really hot anything and at that moment i know i talked to to breed mcnabb and you know was was there for a couple minutes and ask them a couple of questions and you know i mean. I actually literally say you know. I'm just i'm gonna let you go. I'm not going to be about the same or <hes> you know. I mean you could just tell that that they were just just cloudy. I mean none of them. Had any any explanation any reason <hes> you know i think like you said i think the fact that they support so early on it facts that the building got into to the game the fact that they got the second one pretty quick. You know the kind of so many things it's almost like you know everything that the nights due to teams at home team will win things get rockin an and and all that it it got kind of thrown back at them. They got a taste of their own medicine a little bit. You know building. It's crazy and the momentum goes it was you know swings the other side and things like that <hes> i mean they had given up at four power play goals in the first six games of the series until then they had done a great job on the on the penalty kill pretty much all night to be quite honest until that point and it just it just got away from him. I don't know if it was a matter of you. They they lost their cooler emotions because they didn't think it was a penalty off. They were looking ahead after the patch already goal and just weren't able to kind kind of reset regroup. You know get mentally where they needed to get to that. You know five minutes sequence <hes>. Maybe we'll find out a little bit more more. You know locker day. Let's they're able to kind of. Let everything digest but i think unfortunately right now just with everything being so fresh. I don't know that anybody's really got an explanation or good answers for for how something like this could happen. I mean three nothing in the game three one in the series <hes> i mean and it's a little bit off or whatever and i said this in the video but i go back to the last handful of games the last few weeks of the regular season obviously marc andre fleury's injury played into it but no the nights decided to heal up some guys and maybe they could have gone after some games games there. Maybe they could have caught the sharks. The shark certainly didn't play well down the stretch. The door was open for him to overtake them for second place and they weren't able to do it and the result is that the game seven backyard in san jose as opposed to t mobile and you know all that environment and everything like that played into tonight. I don't think you can discount that so i mean it's hypothetical ohlund who knows what would have happened but in others. It's just another kind of layer. I guess that that goes into all of this yeah because there's so many layers that go into all this including leading the fact that we you know we've talked about this call and of course the four power play goals the gold nights allowed but the game was still not over at that point and in fact we had a whole extra period to play because jonathan marshaled snuck one past martin jones short side with forty seven seconds left in the game tied it up forty four and for the second straight game between these two teams we got overtime and eventually with about a minute and forty one seconds left in the overtime the time period barklay good dro is able to d.c around flurry and score but it was a fast paced overtime period despite the fact that these two teams are coming off a a double overtime pretty recently but for the most part it did seem like the sharks were getting the better chances <hes> so adam. Did you just just think the nights were just still so drained even though they got that late third period goal for marshall to tied up. Did they have enough left in the tank for overtime. Yeah we talked. We talked about the emotions we talked about. You know how things we're kind of building there and and you kind of thought earliest i kind of thought being there. It is as is crazy as it was in favor of san jose with all those goals on the power play <hes> that the nights scoring that goal and tying it up and heading into overtime might have had the momentum they it might have been able to steal that back but i also kind of feel like that that session that the in between regulation and the overtime. I think it was probably probably a chance to lose that momentum in for them to go in the locker room and talk about we had this one now. Let's try to win it again. In kind of that you know that that sense of maybe doom a little bit of like we already had this thing one and now you got to do it again. We're on the other side of the sharks chance to say hey listen. It's new life even though so even though we know how to lead and give a goal in the last minute. We thought we were gonna have no chance at this so we thought this game was over and that you know that we are going to be going home. In our i season was over and then all of a sudden they have new lifestyle. I think that that you know despite that goal coming very late in regulation. I think that you know that that break in between the regulation the overtime was really probably a chance for the sharks to get fired up again in the nights to kinda limit what went wrong and you saw the sharks out out very ready in the overtime not that the nights weren't ready but you know i thought that the sharks had the better the action they got the better chances mantra fluids unbelievable and that over time in the the knights had a couple of chances as well but you just kinda got the sense that flurry was carrying them a little bit and eventually they find they found a way to get the goal. They went you know around. Barclay good drill made a great play around flurry skating around went to the four and then put a buy them <hes> and that was it for the nights. The place went crazy and season is over and there were less to think about everything that went wrong but yeah i mean it was another opportunity for the night. It was a a second chance after getting that tying goal but really it was the sharks sharks kind of took things over and over time and that's what i was talking about before with momentum. Sometimes you don't really know where it's gonna stand. It seemed like even though the nightside that goal that it was it was sharks that came out with the momentum and the overtime yeah and i think you brought up an important point that is one hundred percent gonna get lost. When this game goes down in history was marc andre flurry outside of a <hes> four minute stretch there in the third period shorthanded with absolutely unbelievable in this game this game in a lotta ways to me for the most as part felt like a reverse of game six which the knights lost which is a game that the golden knights absolutely dominated in every category except for the scoreboard and for a lot of this game it really did feel like the sharks were generating good chances they had good jump but the nights were the ones that were just this getting the bounces and scoring goals and for the most part the sharks didn't seem for the life of them could buy a goal for themselves until the play. Hey that changed everything <hes> so. It's certainly interesting certainly a lot to think about <hes> both with this game and the golden knights season as a hole so as we kind of think big picture here with all the things that we're trying to wrap our heads around dave. I'll go back to you. How do you think thank year. Two of the golden knights will be remembered. Obviously you're one incredible trip to the stanley cup final year to new round one exit. Is that still considered a good thing for an expansion team to make the playoffs and both of their first two years or our expectations since high enough for this team already in your to where i own exit should be a disappointment yeah. Normally i would say it's you know second year teaming you're making the playoffs and you take a team like san jose to game seven and you should feel pretty good about yourself but i think the bars not not really so much just from last sure but just the off acquisitions you know the the players the you know the projections for what this team should have done kind of coming in. I i mean it was just almost like i don't know i mean it's almost that weird microcosm of the season in a way you know kinda stop star you know they they have the slow start with schmid it out and then they were able to kinda get back in the middle make run and then they kinda tail off the end and it seemed like same thing here in the playoffs so i mean. I think you know anytime you make the tournament. You know you make the playoffs to make the postseason. That's the goal. I don't know that seeing all those sorts of things matter clearly. We've seen you know throughout the rest of them. Who <hes> with cards and everybody else get knocked off that once you're in it. You know it's it's a free for all and anything can happen by yeah. Yeah i mean i think you're up three one in a series in europe three. Oh no matter what it's disappointment i mean. I don't know how you could look at it any other way. I know <hes> when i talked to broadway <hes> yesterday for the story <hes> that we ran we're kind of talking and ask them you know about about the game and things like that and he made a comment to me about how the night's blow a three one lead in the series. It's the only way to consider. It is an epic failure. I don't know maybe that's too strong but but certainly it's a disappointment. Certainly it's a letdown certainly it's it's not a failure. It's it's right on the edge of it. That's for sure yeah. It's definitely a pretty crushing blow to the nights after everything seemed to go their way in year one and and <hes> adamo throwback to you try to dissect this collapse a little bit more obviously up three one in this series up three. Oh in game seven even i mean can we pinpoint a place where this series specifically went wrong for the nights i mean it seems like so much has happened. I mean we're talking about all this crazy things that happen in game seven. We haven't even mentioned that the golden knights coach called the sharks coach clown this morning that is just getting completely. We lost in the shuffle but as the real thing as a real headline in the paper tomorrow to completely get swept away all the craziness tonight yeah for you. Where did this thing really go south for the nights and why weren't they able to turn the ship around once things were starting to go bad. I mean i've i've talked on this podcast. Several times already enough throwback to my theory again that i thought they were up three to one they really ali shah change their attitude and change their their tone and they went away from a lot of the trash talking and the physical chipping has and everything else and i think that was a i think that was a calculated move by the organization to say hey knock this off and i don't know that they ever kinda recover. They had the sharks on their heels. They had the sharks plane crazy crazy and saying crazy things and <hes> they let the sharks are settled back into playing hockey and i thought that was a mistake but you know that's been my take over and over again. I'll go back go back into that but <hes>. I did think that was mistake. I did think that's one of the series change. I mean clearly you look at the call tonight. The knights had control the game control the series it was over <hes> they had the wind but not not closing them out in game six. I think he's going to it's going to be a time. The golden knights look back on and say ah yeah this. The call went against them and everything that happened. In game. Seven was just a disaster in so many ways and it was <hes> you know such such a horrible moment for the franchise and they'll certainly remember that and that's what's going to be talked about a lot but i think the nights having many opportunities to put the series away in game six at at home or they've been so good over the last two years is going to be one that it's going to be under you know under looked under looked. I'm very tired. It's a late night. <hes> it's going to be overlooked overlooked by a lot of people in history that look back in this series is going to be known for that game seven <hes> and for just blow blowing a three lead in general but the nights have been so good on home ice into not able to close that series out of team. Oh lorena was so many chances against martin jones who was beleaguered in this series. I think that's gonna be one while maybe not people nationally talk about. I think internally the nights when they really start to you know put a cap on the season. We'll look back and say hey. You had a chance on home ice pool. Was this out you weren't able to do. It and i think that will be a big moment for them. Yeah no the lot of time to think about it now. Of course we will. We'll have locker clean out coverage whenever that day ends up happening is course gonna be a lot of off-season storylines to follow so make sure you it keep it tuned in to review dot com check out the calm. I don't know what i'm saying. Either will of course be doing podcasts updating you on all that's going on in the golden knights offseason so make sure you keep liking subscribing whatever you do when you're checking out podcasts. We are the golden edge crew. I'm ben goats. I want to thank david jaden adam hill or take some time out of their commute in san jose after an excellent night of game seven coverage out there dr gentlemen. Thank you listeners. Thank you <hes> for the golden age podcast. I'm ben goats and we'll talk to you again real soon.

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Golden Knights: The First Dance

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Golden Knights: The First Dance

"Hair we blew are just wanted to take a second to thank you for listening to this podcast. You know everything. Outside is pretty scary and uncertain. But we're committed to helping you get through your day by talking about the sports teams that you love most. If you're looking for more great podcast distract you check out blue pods dot com. Thanks for listening. Enjoy THE PODCAST. And stay safe. Golden PODCAST is sponsored by. Sdn SPORTS FROM STATION CASINOS SDN. Sports is the only sports betting APP. You need this season. Sign up today and get a new sign up bonus of up to fifty dollars. What IS UP HOCKEY FANS? This is golden edge. Podcast the PODCAST. The Las Vegas Review Journal talks about hockey and a whole lot of other stuff. Am Ben Goats. One of your Golden Knights beat reporters for the RJ joined on the line from their self quarantines of course by my colleagues Adam Hill and Dave Shane Atom. We're at the NFL draft week. Which I know you are helping out with a lot. Is Your head ready to explode yet? yeah. I'm pretty much done at this point. Checkout mentally also. I I'll tell you this I feel like Ben. You might know this cause you had to go through this About a week ago. I think I was completely like Don and I felt like you know I was really getting beat up by Corentin and I had to shave today and I was like feel normal again like I think it helped for for whatever reason so I'm recovering scrambling but I think it'll be good to change up the routine. Okay new me were at least. I'm doing something which brings me the Dave Dave. Are you still Rockin? Your quarantine beer you the lone holdout at this point newhall thought. I thought I was getting a cool story about how I shaved felt like like a new person comes on. And let's start over. Her finally was funny on Sunday night. I was like sitting on the couch and had just finished dinner and was like scratching my face and I was like that's it I'm done I just. I'm tired of this and I literally just weren't upstairs like on women was like gone. It's gone I'm Outta here. I like the angry shave. That's hilarious. I don't know how deep will have a bearded just now. I can't do it anymore. Candy it sounds like we're all in a good place which is as we continue on through this courtship. We've got another hopefully fun episode for you guys were. You've tried to come up with all these different ideas of what we can do. So the theme of this week's episode which is of course sponsored by SDN. Sports Mobile From Station Casino and presented by favor is the first dance for the Golden Knights for those of you that are plugged into the sports landscape. Espn is releasing this ten part. Michael Jordan documentary called the last dance about the Chicago Bulls six championship season. Michael Jordan's whole career leading up to it and stuff. So I thought it'd be fun to imagine a world where someone does it. A ten part documentary on the Golden Knights first season called first dance. So we're GONNA talk a lot about that and some other random related hockey bits. But I'm excited because I think that would actually be a really good documentary that I would watch Adam or Dave. I'll start with the atom. We are you plugged in on the last answer. You Watch and Sunday night. Oh yeah absolutely no question about. I've been excited for this for a long time I think it's it's good and I'm excited about it and I can't wait to see what the rest is but I will say. I am a little disappointed that it it seems so much told from. Jordan's perspective like I kinda wanted the inside on Jordan a little bit more and I feel like he's kind of telling the story in shaping the narrative a little bit but either way. I'M NOT GONNA complain too much because I'm excited about it and Yeah I think that there's a lot of other opportunities to make similar type documentaries. I am all in on basically all sports documentaries but especially now in the time that we're living in right now like this is the last dance the first two episodes those probably the I like live television program Non Bachelor category. I watched in like years. I just need I was like oh my gosh. There's something new on that sports related. I need to consume it. It's why I'm GonNa Consume like literally probably twenty four hours of draft coverage over the weekend to my girlfriend's Chagrin. I just needed something like that. Dave were you all in on the last dance over the weekend. No I haven't recorded. What all and I'll watch. It was like let's see like yesterday. I was watching mystery. Alaska trying to figure out what college to a is or whatever the hell burt reynolds character apparently played. I mean I know this is a hockey podcast and I don't want to get it in a bass bald it. I'm not a Jordan Fan. I've always studies overrated. I don't like the thirty points on thirty shots and like I could go on all day with this and atom No you're a you're speaking my language. Everybody for sure absolutely I mean I think he changed the game and a lot of ways and He gets he. Listen I don't want to say overrated. That's that's ridiculous. He was an unbelievable player But I think greatest of his time trying to make that Hashtag catch on the G. O. H. T. like relax on dislike by far the greatest player ever and the efficiency numbers terrible by the way. Watch the highlights contested. Long twos. What are you doing? What are your doing. All the twitter jokes about the mid-range jumpers all have been great. Look who's WHO's covering Rick. Carlisle can handle them. Usually putting up sixty. He came along at the perfect time when highlights and ESPN and dunking and and being like telegenic. Kind of what? It was all about so In that regard I'm certainly. He's a great player. But Yeah Anyway to answer your question Ben. I wasn't fired up about like all Jordan thing because I'm not a big George guys so I'll get to it. I'll get to it. I'm so excited for our best basketball players of all time podcast next week. Which certainly seems like it's GonNa be Spicy. Actually we can record it right now. Lebron okay we're done let's go. I like it I like that. Let's let's quick pivot to hockey real quick. Because like I said I wanNA talk about how the Gold Nights I dance. Documentary would come together and I have some ideas on that but I the one piece of hockey news because just like last week. We're kind of in a dead space for NHL News and what the return would look like and stuff just because everyone's waiting for more information. Everyone's just kind of on standby which is fine. But we did hear from Andy Strickland. Who'S THE SAINT LOUIS? Blues rinkside reporter for Fox Sports Midwest throughout something that we already kind of assumed which was players had been told on a recent. Nhl Players Association called the CAP is likely going to stay flat at eighty one and a half million dollars the season. That is far from official. But it makes sense to me because this always felt like the most likely outcome were obviously because revenues. They're going to have major shortfalls with the loss of games. Potentially the CAP is certainly not going to go up but if the CAP goes down a lot of teams we're going to be in trouble and probably be forced to buy out players which I think ultimately no one wants on either the players side or the ownership side so the cap staying flat always seemed like that was probably. What's going to happen as far as where that leaves the gold nights projected to be eight point? Eight seven five million dollars under the cap then with fifteen players signed Chandler Stevenson nick cousins and Nicholas Wa our the golden's restricted free agents. You would expect all of those guys to be back with slight raises for cousin. The Doi- potentially pretty hefty raise for Stevenson and then Ryan Reeves John Burke England and Robin Leonard or the Golden Knights. Ufa's Dave you Kinda wrote about Stevenson. And what he might be looking at for a contract this week get reviewed journal Dot Com and just kind of taking him in the rest of that free agent group into account. I don't think the Golden Knights are in a bad spot. Even though they're not going to have as much salary cap spaces they probably projected right. Right I agree with that. I think the one thing is it probably makes anything with with leaner and squeezing him in obviously much tougher without you know using their potential complaints by out if that's what the NFL does for teams and allows them to do their that. We give them a little more space. Maybe that's something that they could finagle. And what have you but you know right down kind of adding up like Stevenson cousins wall. I mean they could probably get all three of them for like five million total. Maybe two to one ish and you kind of spread out. I mean I don't think it's out of the question. Those guys maybe the the differences. There's not a contract like William Carlson looming. Where you know you're going to have to pay somebody. Five million six million seven million something along those lines could be a potential Offer she candidate or anything like that. There's not really that sort of I guess quote unquote problem to deal with. So in that regard I agree with Governor. They're not that bad off. No and I mean outside of backup goaltender because you mentioned Robin Leonard. There where they either have to try to resign him which he made five million dollars this year so he would have city significant pay-cut to stick around unless the nights make other moves to free up salary cap space so outside of addressing that position. I Mean Adam. Do you think there's a potential move to address another position or is this just going to be a situation where they re signed a lot of these guys were talking about and then just kind of hold on to their you know keep their powder dry I guess? In terms of draft picks other assets. They could move and wait for the trade deadline to make a significant upgrade. Yeah I mean I I feel like that's probably the direction they go. I also while you know we get this information that the caps likely to stay the same which we expected I I. I think there's a lot to still work out in terms of how contracts could be handled. What what are they gonNA do with teams like the Golden Knights who made trades you know to try to try to solidify the roster for the playoffs? That never happened do they. Do they do exceptions for that? Do they change a little? Bit of how things are structured at work. I do think there's a lot of mystery based on if the the rest of the season isn't played at all Of what can happen so I hesitate to break down to much of what the potential plans will be not knowing exactly how all those things are going to be structured and worked out down the down the road. Because I do think there's GonNa be some teams that complain about you know really building themselves for this year and not having that Work Alec not having any conclusion to the season Which is going to be a big topic of conversation. So I think there's a lot there but I think the Golden Knights as as as you were saying they're in a spot right now where they've got a few. Rfa's that they could take care of and seemed like they'd still have a little bit of flexibility there but that seems to be something might hold onto and see what you need to do during the season if you need to make any improvements and have a little bit base and not have to manage it on an hour basis like they did this year yeah now got at least a little bit of breathing room. They're not in dire straits but it's not worth really deep diving into until we know just a million more things at this point because we don't know if the season's going to resume what that would look like and then obviously then how that would affect the off season. They say a healthy gut means a healthy. You FAVOR APPLE CIDER. Vinegar shots bottle this feeling into the convenience of a to shop better digestion stronger immune system and the lowering of blood. Sugar levels are just some of the benefits shooting daily favor shot. Their proprietary blends Iran organic and mixed with other functional ingredients to create a better tasting experience. First Time shooters can go to drink a favor dot com. So I want to move on from that and of course talk about my pitch for a ten part Docu Series on the Golden Knights entitled the first dance looking at their inaugural season for those of you. That are kind of thinking this yes. We're aware that there's a documentary called. Belene out there which you can actually stream on Amazon prime. I believe but this would be a much more indepth show because of course we got ten one hour episodes as opposed to just one documentary. And so hopefully we'd also be able to do this a little bit further removed because the last dance is of course coming twenty. Two years after the season is documenting. So these guys. Are you know speaking on a little? Bit More candidly than they would. Potentially you know the next year just like I would hope twenty years from now a lot of the Golden Knights kind of key figures. Most of them would be retired. Would it be a little bit more candid kind of on their thoughts and emotions during the season? So that's that's the goal of why we're now turning this into a ten part. Docu series which I think would be gold for a number of reasons and I want to discuss specific key scenes. I want number one. Just give me all of the expansion draft content that you've got. I want footage of George. Mcphee working the phone. Cackling as he's got chuck Fletcher for Minnesota. Dave Tie in from Florida on the line just making these ridiculous offers not to take these players. I WanNa know how George mcphee and Kelly mccrum and kind of what their roster building philosophy was What their initial vision was obviously kind of turned into this high fine team. That had so much speed. Was that something. They were discussing the expansion draft or did that just kind of workout. Dave how much do you want to see the expansion draft if we were to do this? Docu series yeah. I think there's some cool stuff so like one of the things I was thinking of is I would love to go back and find the Tomas no sick. And Cody Eakin and bill fully end George mcphee and do the oral history of wind. Bill fully screwed up the denouncement of the traffic. And he's skipped right over. Tomas notes ticket went right to cody. Eakin I know people don't remember that but I always remember that the the whole production it was just so you know one of those comedic moments but yeah I mean all of this stuff behind the scenes thing like if you could get the text messages between George mcphee. When he's got everybody hold them over the fire you know. The islanders conversation would be great like yeah. We'll take Ba- ruby you know. What are you going to give us or whatever and was a McKay? What was his name? Who's the Guy I forget his name now He never played a game. He was in that trade with the islanders. Auger Bosque Mikhail Gorbachev Sqi. Who has a concussion? Like I would love to just see all those conversations whenever behind the scenes. Like you said Ben. Yeah no and I think this would also be the a great time for the Marc Andre. Fleury flashback to right before. Of course he got. He gets his Jersey walks onstage. Clearly the face of the franchise right away and I know he was relatively forthcoming at the time. But I would really love for Mark Andrea Flair to kind of open up where he's just coming off the Stanley Cup run with the Pittsburgh Penguins. And how mad is he? Actually about the fact that Pittsburgh's just looking to dump him after all any kind of did for that franchise. How much was he potentially not looking forward to moving away from the one franchise played for and moving to Las Vegas where he was probably his. I assume you thinking I'm GonNa lose forty games a year now. He's not going to be where he is now. Where he's you know climbing the all time wins list. He's probably thinking that he's not going to do that. And in fact maybe has Hall of fame. Chances are hurt because he doesn't get these kind of counting stats that he ultimately ended up getting and so I don't know is this is like a huge kind of sliding doors moment for Marc Andre. Fleury's career is it not. It could have gone really bad and I wonder if he's thinking at the time like Oh this could potentially just be really bad for me. I mean good reference on sliding doors moment that's Thank you cinematic of you. Yeah obviously had no idea what was going to happen nobody is I. I can't imagine anybody would even tell you looking back that they thought you know what was going to happen would actually happen At the time. That's not well phrased but either way. Nobody expected that and market reform could have expected that. I'm sure the competitive part of him was like I'm Gonna I'M GONNA be able to go out there and carry this team a little bit No matter how bad they are like I can cover up some some goals potential goals and you know at least be competitive and I'm sure his you know that that nature of him was was driving him to believe that he could make something out of it. But at the same time you're right. I mean I think you look at it as hey. I'm exiled to this weird place in the desert that that has knows nothing about hockey. That doesn't care about hockey. It's a hundred and fifty degrees. The ice will probably melt every night. Like there's probably all these thoughts his mind like this sucks and then you get here. Wow okay This is something different and I'm sure after he started to see some guys play a little bit. He's like all right. I guess we have some talent and You know what you move in you realize how awesome of city it is and I'm sure that but yeah at the time I would love if you could get like some footage of you know like what he's actually thinking like inside his head. That would be amazing. No it'd be crazy. Especially because he's coming off a playoff run with Pittsburgh where he actually you know Matt. Murray was the starter in the final but Marc Andre. Fleury started most of the Penguins playoff games at this point. So I'm sure it was. You know a big career high and then also a career low. He plays a big role on the Stanley Cup. Winning team gets sidelined for the actual final and then get shipped off to the expansion team and of course it ended up working out better than anyone could a dream but like I said it's a it's a big crossroads in his career and so it'd be interesting to get his thoughts and next seen after the expansion draft. I need as much locker room stuff as possible during training camp as these guys like all just like try to get to know each other. I WANNA see whatever Raynham team bonding activities. They do whatever archival stuff they Gotta. The team retreat to fully ranch. Give it to me And then we've got to get to know juror. Glenn who is now an more interesting figure kind of I think for like a Docu series. Where now you're bringing. In kinda. The perspective of what ultimately happened to him with the franchise but of course at the time. He's trying to figure out how pulled all these kind of random parts together and I'd love to hear what he thought he was going to be able to get out of this roster at first because you know fascinating thing to me is looking back at that. You're their initial lines. Were not what the lines they ended up rolling with. You know kind of through the playoffs. I mean William. Carlson started on the third line. I mean guys have just all over the place you know. Obviously there's Shish of that whole saga. There's so much happening there where they're trying to fit these pieces together and I would love to be a fly on the wall for all that stuff wouldn't you. Dave gave the ship. A shop. Thing would be the most interesting to me just because I would love to know like behind the scenes you know if there was. I guess chatter about his work ethic. Or how all that? That shook out The other one. I'm really curious about is is the whole misfits thing in James Neal in the original kind of text message. I guess that started that whole thing. Because you know it's funny like I always think back in in kind of revisionist history and it's funny because I'm almost positive it was Belmar. Who really early on made a reference to them being kind of the misfits anonymous at island or something and maybe it was. Because you know he's not an English. I speak and he speaks grade English but it didn't come out like quite clear kind of a funny thing but everybody glanced over it and so I wonder how much of it was going on at that point with the misfits and and and all of that that that would be fun to me than just the the competition for the jobs and training camp. I'd love to know kind of like you said how you know how the behind the scenes talk about. Every I mean cody. Eakin was your first line center on opening night. Oscar Lindberg was centering. Your second line so I mean it's it's so funny to look back on it now and in how it progressed to that year but at love to know why Jason Garrison was basically your first pair defense thing you know at point no it would be just a fascinating to hear all of that and then obviously next. There's the October one stuff in. It's weird because I don't want obviously skip over it because it's hugely important but I think that part of the story is actually very well told which is Great but you need to be at least probably even two episodes of just the tragedy. How the team responded how. The city responded to the team's response. You know obviously the planning of that. First home game where. They had to scrap a lot of their plans and do a tribute. You know you'd have to go behind the scenes with Derek England in his speech and kind of his preparation for that. Obviously the lifting of the banner and all that stuff is just great even though like I said I think it's relatively well traveled at this point but it's so necessary and still so powerful and such an important part of this city's history so I think just those first ten days in October would be a huge story and then of course there's the rest of the regular season after that where you've got the goalie injuries you've got that. Tampa game were Shaffi scores late and I think Adam you've written about bats. The game were okay. All of a sudden it goes from. This is a really nice story to. Oh these guys at least in the locker room believed that they're for real now that that game was kind of the the trigger for the competence that grew in that locker room right. Yeah I almost remember you know it was everybody's so excited about the start and how they were playing and while. This team is so much better than expected but even in the locker room meet here some kind of tempered expectations of like. Hey you know you guys are new to this. It's a long season a lot of times. You get hot for a while and you know either never know. You don't really know how your team is until you know these benchmarks like Thanksgiving and Christmas and you know how are you at this point and and then I feel like it was after that game where such a dramatic win such an amazing moment inside the building where it was like? Okay this is really not to some like you know. Fluky like our team playing above their heads. This is a legitimately good team that could contend for some serious You know some serious things at the end of the season. That was a real turning point so I think that would have to be a very prominent part of it. Yeah and then. Of course the regular season you can go through Carlson's big between the legs goal against the sharks clinched division. You've got to do an episode on the first two rounds where the king series was a sweep but obviously it was still pretty fun series in terms of you got the overtime the double overtime. There's some fun games there. Same with the Shark series that when six and it becomes obviously a launching point for a lot of the stuff that would kind of boil the next year and having divorce it down for that. Part of the documentary would be fascinating kind of for the opposite reasons. Why having jar glanced at down for other parts of the documentary would be fascinating. And then I want a lot of Winnipeg stuff in the conference final where they had a breakout year just like the nights in a lot of ways they were kind of built in a pretty similar way. I would say were there some pretty fast paced high scoring teams. They're blue lines weren't great but they made it work and then the Knights of course in that series go down three nothing in the first period of game one and a lot of people including myself. I will own this. Where like Yep? This is finally. They've kind of finally hit their ceiling. They had a really good run up to this point. But this is probably GONNA be or ends for them and then after allowing three goals in that first period of game one. The nights allow seven goals the rest of the series. That's thirteen more periods. They sweep the last four games of the series. They go down one. Nothing series win the next four and so. I would love to know what happened. What changed in that series and then when they kind of knew they figured Winnipeg out because all of a sudden Dave Winnipeg. It's really I mean this makes sense because they're on the final but really it's like okay. Wow this team has has whatever it is they had it at least. That was my feeling at the time. Yeah I mean certainly I think it probably had been snowballing from from early on like we talked about maybe even before that Tampa game I mean I know for me. It was kind of right around Thanksgiving. I don't remember who it was but there was a a couple of games in there and and you heard the players start to shift in some of the things that they were saying Let the kind of reservation of kind of see how it goes. We expect some bumps in the road all that went out the window and you never really heard that anymore. I mean the the Winnipeg series in kind of how that all build. I'd be really curious to know if you could sit down Jonathan March so after game two in in obviously his comments and then kind of backing it up in a L. certainly. He's you know we've talked about him is is whether he would make a good captain or not Certainly on the record as saying that I don't think he's necessarily a captain every now and again a guy like him will speak up and backed up on the ice in. That has a big effect on the team. And I think weren't you didn't gain too and then coming home in that series and game three. I loved to know about flurry in those saves. Like if you could get him and I know he did like at some point certainly it was written about and all that but if you could really really really get flurry to break down like the diving save against shy fleet home in in that sequence in some of the other stuff because I I just felt like that was really when you noticed how much the crowd in Vegas can really affect things you saw during the regular season that year and in in all that but it matters in the playoffs you can crowd affect things in the playoffs in especially Winnipeg with the whiteout and everything. It had such a reputation for it. But it's really I feel like Vegas started to build its reputation as a as a tough playoff place to play In in those two games it it'd be fun to know you know where they were at three one. And then after you know. Reeve scoring that goal There were so many unsung heroes and in guys that fit into the story. And in kind of these weird sidebar ways That would just make for for such funds stories to to hear you know Lucas Beeson. You know in in his play in game five and in how he factored in it that to me would be the fun part and then of course you go right into the final which is just so rich and would be incredible episode where you've got that capitals team the core of which is built of course by George mcphee and then in a weird twist of fate. His number two Guy Brian. Maclellan is their general manager who then tweaked the capitals to get them over the hump which is just a really weird subplot that I find fascinating where it's feels like. It's not very often a team. Fires Longtime General Manager which the capitals did mcfee and then just promotes his right hand man? Which is like we like. Most of what you're doing but we just want someone else making the final decisions which obviously worked out for the capitals. But it's just weird and then you've got the ebbs and flows of that series which despite the fact that it only lasted five. Games was really fun where game one is just an absolute shootout. You've got the save halt beyond talking game too and then that really and forth fun deciding game five. I mean that was a really really fun. hockey matchup. And so Adam. I think you could just really dive deep into those five games. Despite the fact that they didn't last that long yeah. I think there's no question about that I would man if you guys include And I I mean you guys the the makers of the movie just the ridiculous travelling circus that was the RJ crew. At the time. That would be a fascinating part of the documentary as well. What a what. A collaboration of of characters. That was just kind of touring the capital and and hanging out and you know meeting with senators and it was a very weird very weird experience but that was it was a great time and it would be just a phenomenal story to be told. I think from from start to finish. There's I think we can do more than ten episodes on this you know. Let's all get Netflix online. We will see what we can do because mainly because Adam of course you pointed out that the artery traveling circus be great. Mainly I want this to happen because I want to be. You know the old crusty beat writer. That appears in these documentaries. Like you got Sam Smith. Who wrote obviously a phenomenal book? Michael Jordan to call the Jordan roles. But you've got to have that guy. The writer that was around given the outside perspective on the team. I think we could be those guys. I think we could really provide a lot of value to this documentary so Netflix. If you WANNA Holler at me come. Holler at me for the first dance. I will be copywriting that so you'll need to go through me in order to get this done guys. Thank you so much for participating in this silly exercise. I came up with a thank you to sports mobile's from station for sponsoring us. Thanks to the BEAVER for presenting us. And thank you guys. The listeners for listening to another kind of rambling podcasts. Where we try to take a couple of detours as we await for hockey to return. I'll make sure to check out our coverage at review journal Dot Com. 'cause we're still trying to pump out content. Bugai's to keep you informed of what's going on the team and the NHL make sure to rate review. Subscribe whatever you podcast on Itunes Stitcher spotify etcetera. Please do this podcast and please make sure to check this out next week as we come up with another random topic but hopefully you guys enjoy predation that hill. I'm Ben Guilt. We'll talk together again real soon.

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How 0.3 seconds saved the Golden Knights season

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How 0.3 seconds saved the Golden Knights season

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I was something I don't really need to deal with again. One of the hat is not fun. I tell you what is fun though. Sdn Sports Mobile from station casinos. They of course are the sponsor of the Golden Edge. Podcast we are also of course brought to you by the Las Vegas Review Journal. Make sure to check out all our stuff at review journal Dot Com. Dave has had some great stories from the East Coast trip including a good one this morning on one Malcolm Sue ban who was playing really well recently. But we're going into day. All of the Golden Knights are pretty much playing saying well right now since we last podcast did they have gone on a four game winning streak after we kind of just dunked on them for about a half hour they have really set Out to prove US wrong. Yeah absolutely I mean it's crazy like the one gold changes everything right next patriot. He scores and they're able to get the two points in overtime time and it just seemed to be exactly what they needed. It was the spark that they've been waiting for kind of you know the first twenty something games they finally got it and I think the biggest I think more than anything is just. They've been able to build on it. There's been points and we've talked about this kind of endlessly. There's been points early in the season where you feel like okay. Maybe this is a turning earning point and they just kind of you know. Don't don't run with it. At least this time. They've they've built on it. They've gene lament them and they seem to be in a good place. It's a I mean. The Locker Room on the team is completely different night and day hundred and eighty turn. Yeah that goal as you mentioned end. Quote the lovely Kodama and from Star Wars. That is the spark that will light the fire that will earn. I guess not the first order. But in this case the Golden Knights season down in a good way the time to get back to Dako specifically so we recorded on Tuesday Wednesday. The Golden Knights are playing in Nashville. Obviously have really tough arena to play. They're down down three too late in the game. The predators do a really good job getting go ahead goal early in the third period and they basically just sit on the lead the entire third. They played really really good structure. Defensive Hockey Gold had a late power. Play didn't get any shots and so the predators look like they're in cruise control mode the Golden Knights go to six on five. Ah The predators throw the puck away with about like a little bit more than fifteen seconds left. Jonathan Marsha so gets it skates it. Up Gets to the Blue Line of the offensive zone ships. It in goes after it himself creates a turnover behind the net rally. Smith fix passes to Marston fires. They know look packs to Max. Patty Maddie hats. Ready ties the game with zero point. Three seconds left in the game the predators were just absolutely stunned and the home crowd at Bridgestone arena was absolutely crushed. I mean you could see it. And the Golden Knights of course he said built off it right away because they got an overtime winner from Paul static nature had a great takeaway in the defensive zone. skated the other way setup pulsed Asmi for the game winner and yeah and then the night's have built off it said that was the first of four straight wins for them. It's their longest win streak of the season. They hadn't even won three straight before that so it just felt like as you said everything that was going wrong for the nights and kind of pilot piling up. Now everything's going right for them the opposite way and it's all kinds of 'cause that moment that seemed to breathe so much confidence into the team yet. Yeah I mean it's it's crazy. How swings like that right? I mean just the ups and downs and and the twists and turns and things. I mean you know we're talking about this and I I mean look you were there i. I don't know how you feel about this but I don't I the funny thing is like I don't even feel like the Knights won won that game. I feel like the predators gave it away. Like the ninth. Didn't do anything hardly for nineteen minutes. Thank you kind of mentioned they had like seven shotgun goal until like the the last minute and then just kinda need a Balaj and took advantage of hand. WHO's I mean at least for for me having a brain cramp or something something like I don't know what he was doing? The last ten seconds usually thinkers trying to wrap the puck in the corner and it just did not go well right which now credits Marxist. So for for the forechecking credit. You know it's all those guys for you know making the play and and taking advantage of it but yeah I mean it's crazy. I mean if if that doesn't happen if the time signed and put back on the clock earlier and you know all the the sort of butterfly effect things that we can talk about but the reality is the got to win and and like we. We've just been talking about the the use it. They haven't really using that stuff earlier the Anaheim game and they fall on their face. Start after that. You know all these like I said all these other points in the season they haven't been able to take it and run and right now. They're running with it there. What fifteen? Eleven four which I mean we can argue about what five hundred and whether that's over five hundred five hundred you know whatever but you know. They're in a good spot right now. They're you know they're gaining ground in because all these other teams in the other And and the other thing too I I just think I mean they. You know just to go back to Monday a little bit. The Rangers are playing really. Well I mean they were like four zero one. It was like ten to four and their last sixteen or something like that. It just got back. I I mean like for them to go in there and basically for seven minutes in the first area just completely overwhelmed the Rangers. I get it to nothing lead and then you know not sit on kind of ride it out. I mean not that to me was was maybe the most important game on this road. Sure at least because it sets the tone you know they got the two points New Jersey and and right now there's four points out a potentially six regardless of what happens. You know on the island tomorrow so you know everything is just kinda going right now. I think the way that everybody thought was from the start of the season. It's just something about December. I guess lose guys. I mean the last couple of years there. I think I ended up. It's like twenty four in four or something like that. It was like eleven one in one the first year nine hundred thousand three last year in December. It just seems like this time of the year. I don't know the snow the cold weather something something at some going. Yeah it's crazy How that worked out all three seasons so far and so you mentioned it? The united used that four three overtime win over the predators. They beat there's coyotes at home to one in the shootout than they go to New York. They went four one and Madison Square Garden and then last night they win. Four three Prudential Center over the New Jersey devils who were breaking in a new coach coach after firing their coach before the game about two and a half hours before puck drop which was a fascinating scenario. But one thing I want to mention that was key you in all these. WINDS IS MALCOLM SUE ban. The Golden Knights backup goaltender has been called upon for actually five straight games now because Mark Andrea Flurry had to leave the team because of a family situation. His father. Andrei flurry passed away a week ago. Last Wednesday obviously our condolences. Go out to the flurry family. But Malcolm Superman man has really stepped up in his absence. That win over the Nashville. Predators was Sudan's first win of the season. And you could just tell the locker room postgame how much that meant to him to kind of get the monkey kick off his back. I mean he was grinning just so so wide and he talked about how you know in overtime he was basically like blacked out so just so excited about the teams teams comeback win over the predators and then the last three games you played really really well the last three games. He's a nine fifty save percentage. She saved ninety six of one on one shot. And this is the Malcolm Soup End. The Golden Knights need because you know obviously regardless of the flurries current absence flurries and older goaltender who the nights are are going to need to rest a little bit more. Now that he's thirty five. He recently had a birthday. And so of Malcolm Sue Ben can give you these types of performances and that's exactly what the Golden Knights need from their backup backup goaltender position. Yeah I mean if you know all his critics in everybody's kind of questioned whether the golden need to go get a goaltender and all let's start just I throw it out the window like you know based on the last week. But he's shown what he can do shown that that if the nights you know are confident on it and they show faith in him that he he's he's going to reward them. I mean I think part of it is just as much as he's played at five nine days and and we'll see what happens a slurry and if he's able to come back on the road trips or Glenn both said that they expected the joined the team at some point on the road but lost to Kinda couch that a little bit and southern other. Not Entirely. Sure we'll see Kinda you know. So maybe he's there today. Maybe you know the the team has off today when they need either for the morning seat tomorrow for the game. I don't know if I play on. That might be a tough ask but at least Garrett sparks going down yesterday. That's fine needed a mark on your three. Come back right but you know. I mean we've talked about this again. The Knights have been very open up their plans. She would use for his work load in part of that is going to be predicated on. Knocking Sudan Dan. You know giving them quality starts in being productive and and for the last week plus. That's that's exactly what he's done he's been good and and this is the other the thing too though and because he's mentioned a lot. I think we need to talk about. This is the changes that they've made in there. Because what we're seeing right now is Malcolm souvenirs is getting a lot of shots from the outside from the perimeter much easier saved for him to make an and it's something that he's talked about. How well they're playing in front Donovan? I'm much the system kind of helped him out in terms of where the shots coming from versus you know. Maybe the chances that he was seen before. Yeah totally moving into that. The Knights meet a small tweak in their defensive zone before the game against the predators and I wanNA quick small tweets. Well East sound like George Durant quoting him exactly. Because that's what. He is emphasized that we haven't completely overhauled or defensive zone own coverage which whatever guy overhaul they will all gone he wants to downplay it. ille- hundred eighty degree chain. You cannot go from Man Coverage Gijon covers it at some all week yes furthest away you can go but anyway go ahead go go yeah. We'll quicken into it. I just WANNA finish up the point. Sue Ben One. I'd make playing regularly has helped him a lot because it will bring up on his guests. We've talked about whether they need to look back up goaltender. Well well he now that he's getting regular playing time and we can argue whether five straight starts as maybe two regular of playing time including back to back Monday and Tuesday but he's in clearly in a rhythm right now that's clearly helping them a lot to before the predators game to three five five goals against average in eighty three save percentage. Those numbers are up to to a two eighty six and nine save percentage so big improvements from Zubin as you mentioned in large part because of the defensive zone coverage changes. We're talk about those right after some quick messages. Hey are you looking for a great gift for someone in Your Life. I mean most of the time us us guys get pretty cliche gifts for Christmas. Like socks wallets ties. I got a Lotta dies. At Harry's is a gift that's both thoughtful and practical listeners of this show can get five dollars off any hairy shave set I heading to Harrys dot com slash blue wire free shipping ends on December sixteenth. 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Click on the front of the top of the page and type in blue a chip station DOT com. Enter Offer Code Blue Ship Station. Make ship ship happen all right. We're back in before we took that quick break. We were talking about the changes in their defensive zone coverage coverage so the nights primarily. I you know two years and you know twenty plus Games have been a man to man team. Everyone's got a guy in the defensive zone zone will now. They've really switched up to kind of zone scheme. Where as a John Merrill kind of termed it before the coyotes game they wanNA protect the good ice which which is the Swat in front of the net and Kinda give up more of the quote unquote advice which is outside of the faceoff circles the edges of the defensive zone Golden? It kind of felt that they're giving up too many chances in the slot right in front of the net. Too many kind of quality high danger looks for their opponents. And they've been maybe I guess too. Good good at pressure on the outside so another flipping that goaltender drifting more shots from the outside. They're not seeing as many shots right in front and it seems to have helped their defense a lot. Dave Yeah it's it's a big change. I let me let me say I WANNA give jargon a lot of credit because you know I mean. Let's put this as a basketball coach. If you're or like you know exclusively a man and coach and you recognize you know. Hey this isn't working for us. We need to change something and you're able to go to his own. I mean I mean in some regards. That's essentially what he's done at some. You know Dr Glenn with that system in from day one. It's something that he's always coached. And I think in discussion you know with Man and Man and coaching staff and whenever they just like you said they realized the giving up too many chances in certain areas jeans were exploiting certain the things that the one that really jumped out to me in terms of of that was against Edmonson It was a goal that youth unbear- scored but what what happened on. The play was instead of a defense and I think it was neat. Schnitt was in front of the net instead of Neat Schmidt being able to pick up the on dry Seidel Mark Stone ended up picking him up and then kind of dot became his man and so marks. Don't follow dry subtle as you went around behind the net in kind of a long leslie in a nation nation. It wasn't an happening is he. Was Kinda stranded in front of the net. Didn't have anybody to cover and was kind of a late win. Drives me I can out to bear the point and Schmidt try to get out there and but but essentially that's kind of what's happening is play like that and then plays where the defenseman offensive to follow somebody and they track all the way out toward the Blue Line and it will basically all three forward to cover low. And that's not you know the strength. Obviously you forward. Is You know covering the front of that and and doing those sorts of things. That's what sense do so in that regard I think how but what's interesting to me also is just more so so the acknowledgement that. It's kind of a trend in the NHL. You look around and enjoy our glance talking about the islanders and we'll see them on Thursday You know some other teams have have gone to a US a very similar system it restricts chances that keeps the Games you know in theory lower scoring and and things like that from that perspective and this is something that I've talked about in terms of the nights I guess quote unquote process or style of play a game game plan. You know whatever kind of Buzzword you WANNA put on it that I think their best chance to win is playing those types of gains on getting into you know one gun kind of fire lagging hockey so for them to kind of make this change and acknowledge. Hey this is we think is going to be best for us to help our goalies. It's going to stay some energy. We're not chasing and on the defensive zone. You think we're going to be in a better position once you get talk to them. Break out because we've talked about extensively the break of the issue all all year and I don't think it's been as much the last few games. I think that's really helped too so I mean it's interesting kind of one of those things that you look at it with a few games insight and you're like Whoa. Yeah it seems perfect. Why why we just you on before and I know it's not that easy but I really do think you you know? Once they were able to kind of look at personnel. Look at what. They have what they need to do to be successful. I mean I applaud them for making a change in that. Yeah Yeah I mean you look at their personnel especially on the Blue Line. It's not like they're the most fleet of foot on the blue lines while might have not been the best idea to have guys like Erick England blend you know John Merrill to a lesser extent Even Nicole news a fine skater. But like those aren't necessarily guys you want running all around the defensive zone and you had to those people who ask well. Why haven't they made the switch sooner? This sounds like a no brainer. The one thing they have to keep in mind with this kind of zone look they are giving up parts of the the ice that they potentially weren't before they are giving up stuff to the outside. Which means that they're going to face? Potentially a couple more shots from the outside. That means is really important. The Malcolm Subic Zubin. Marc Andre Fleury. Whoever is a net does a really good job controlling their rebounds? That was something. That Malcolm Susanne mentioned after the Arizona coyotes game where overall the really well. But he's like I need to be better with my rebounds you know. Basically you can't let if you're a goaltender. One of those bad shots from the outside turned into a really good shot. Because because you give up a rebound in the slot an opposing player is right there. So those are the kind of drawbacks as you potentially could allow more shots and then you need to clean up the rebounds but so far through these first couple Games Golden Knights have done a good job clearing out rebounds in front of their goaltenders and Malcolm Subas playing well. So it's kind of hasn't been a big issue and you talk about them kind of almost is being like the islanders Certainly worked for the islanders. They are third in goals against per game at two point. Four to bury trots at least in my opinion is the favourite to win his second Street Jack Adams Award for best coach. Because he's getting I mean absolutely the most out of that roster that you possibly can and as you mentioned I just think stylistically the Knights WanNa be more of a grinded out team. This was going to work for them. I mean you know like I said it. Just it fits. They are right now. You know the reality of the situation nations. They are not the same team they were two years ago. That kind of go go go. You know fast paced and things. I mean it's not to say that there are slow team or anything Now but I just don't think that that bio two years ago is a suited for this team so if that's the key you know. They recognize that they seem to have adjusted us. And you know it's interesting because it's interesting. how quickly everybody seems to adapted to it? I guess more than anything you know. You hear somebody like all This maybe a little transition here. newly-acquired Chandler Stevenson US asked about the system used. It's well he said three hundred sixty degrees. He Amen hundred and eighty degrees but I mean essentially Washington doing the same thing with the man coverage and then he comes over here in his own the couple of Oh sessions you know basically jumps right out there and whatever so just the fact that you know. You've got a rookie defenseman nick a doctor. You know you've got a rookie forward. You know. And cody last. You've got some guys who maybe you know in their career having necessarily played it and they've done a good job topping. I'm going to give up. What you know the three goals in Nashville Israel? But I think they were still working out a couple of things to give up one goal. Yes there's owner one goal against the Rangers. You know three last night but you know what one of the breakaway you. You the kind of off the rush You know we haven't seen that you know in zone teams kind of running you know running the nights around around and increasing chances that way so you know going forward. I think that's the way that they want to play and they feel good about you know where they're out everything. Yeah Nashville. Obviously there was a trial. Oh by fire. Because you've got Romeo see who might be a norris finalist at this point Ryan Alice to really good offensive for the predators who aren't afraid to kind of go. UH wherever in the offensive zone so we saw specifically I one of the predators goals where a Nick Hagan Mark Stone. Were Kinda like which one of us is picking up Roman Yosi. He's going basically down below the goal line so their coverage got a little mixed up there because you know those predators defenseman are just so rare with what they can do you and so we'll see if they can do better and some defensemen moving forward. Yes you mentioned. New Guide Chandler Stevenson nothing like Chandler in New York Insert friends joke here. The Golden Knights picked him up from the Washington capitals for a fifth round pick. I believe at twenty twenty one fifth round. Pick Dave correct me correct me if I'm correct. Okay so basically kind of throwaway pick because the knight's still have a ton of surplus pick from the trades that they've made throughout these first couple of years. Kind of throwaway pick for them for a kind of bottom six guy. He's played some center can play wing too. But he's filled in Isaiah's fourth line center Tuesday against against the New Jersey devils. He's not a big point producer. He had four points heading into last night's game and of course I say that and he scores in his debut. He was set up very very well by Alex. Talk scored a goal. He was on the penalty. Kill right away. He was protecting a lead right away. which I thought was really notable jargon plant but really comfortable protecting a four three lead late with a guy who hadn't practiced with the team basically before they played because they didn't have a morning skate yesterday because there was a back to back What did you think about him? And His knights debut. Dave and why do you think the Golden Knights acquired him. Well I I'll say everybody can get a sneak. She goes far as the end of the game stuff last night. Because I'll be writing about that for the for the Review Journal. Hey make sure to check out. There's a quick little plug But as far as you know why they acquired him what can you bring. I think it's doable. Killing the Kremlin when we were talking to him made it very clear that he's somebody that they've looked. Look at scouted. You know had time for his game I guess he's kind of hockey as you know. They likely he brings certainly George mcphee familiar with him. He drafted craft him. While you know while in Washington and then even can also play. Didn't whol and as we've talked about you know plenty of whol l. players from juniors Telling the criminals somebody or with obviously from owning the bring the King and his million coaching and and and all sorts of stuff in that League for the last twenty years and and what have you. So He's the guy that they've known about. He's a guy that I think they feel you know at least short term. If with cody taken out at each and give them give them some and then the other thing too is obviously you know. We don't know what's going on with on TV cost You down the miners. You know he's working way back at least according to Berman. So we'll see if you had replaced but but right now I mean the ninth Bulk House. You know a lot of forward depth especially at the bottom six right now so for them to be able to you know. I don't want to take advantage of Washington and of salary recap decision but the fact that Stevenson was available. I mean there were some reports that Washington basically I watched it ended up against cap it had to do something. Apparently came down to Student Center Boyd. They kinda decided they were gonNA hold on the void. Stevenson became available and the nights town. So you know like you said I think you know with short-term without economic nice gives them another penalty killer by just think more than anything just gives them some depth they give them some flexibility. You know in the bottom six if you know if somebody's not playing well. Hey you can play a wing you know you can scratch guy Creates competition all that sort of stuff And he's got experience in the playoff. Obviously winning the Cup with the with the cats all those sorts of things. So th there's a lot of intangibles You know off the ice and and you know on the ice. Yeah you're not going to get a lot of points and things like that but it's also something that the killing the Kerman mentioned. Hey maybe with a change of scenery. We think there's a little more in there that we can get out of them so there is a little bit more often. Yeah you mentioned that the off the ice stuff Aqui. Of course but this day with the Stanley Cup visited the city of Humboldt. Which of course it was a victim to the horrible bus crash on a few years ago? The humbled broncos junior team. So really cool move Chandler Stevenson to do that. Yeah but I mean the capitals are just up against the cap so it really seemed like they had to get you know either either ham or you mentioned Travis Boyd whose Twenty six years old former our gopher actually covered him in college. Nice Guy Happy to have him doing well But the fact that Boyd emerged means that the Golden Knights have picked up. You know twenty five year old bottom six Ford who can contribute a little bit so we'll have to see what role he plays moving forward. Could you in his week-to-week right now with an injury. So Stevenson's certainly feels like he's going to get some rope to make an impact the next couple games. Well Lemme Lemme just really quick. Let me just jumping. I'm doing on beacon because the week to week thing is is intriguing to me and it's something that I asked about the reason I bring it up is because everybody who started to hit and clearly. It looks like you've got an hour ahead. WELL IF WE'RE GONNA speculate that it's a concussion. I I find it very interesting that they would leave without week to week in the past and and things like that it's cautioning that seems like a day to day injury. One of the things that I specifically asked the criminal about was whether this is an injury that has a specific prime table. Cool because you're you're labeling week to week and you know he kind of Said you know one that they don't expect it to music thing but that's once to get into it a little more you know having exactly but yeah basically. They're saying that ICE BY I. Listen as week-to-week dotted something more than just a minor injury now. Clearly that could concussion could be something else but I just think it at least for for folks who are speculating. About whether it's concussion I you know the the week we think ends up a little bit of alarm for me just because like I said I think concussion I mean if we're GONNA speculate Alex Talk to hide hit and miss a handful of games and was backing. Seems to be fine. Everybody's different. You know. CONCUSSIONS everybody reacts to them in different ways and all all sorts of stuff so we'll see what happens with cody eakin. Whether that isn't facts issue worse is something else but at least for right now. It doesn't seem like he's going to be backing you know. At least the immediate future yeah the ripple effect at least short-term is that a rookie. Cody glasses no longer playing right wing. You got moved to center. And he's looked a little a bit more comfortable there in the last couple of games one guy who's definitely looked comfortable. Moving back to his natural position of right wing has been Alex Tuk Tuk had two points in his first ten games and he kind of you know was stopping and starting because he had a couple of injuries early on in the season six points in his last three games. I mean he's he's looking like the kind of bottom sakes contributor. The Golden Knights have been looking for kind of all season. I mean he's just looking like the guy who led them in points heading into the trade identified last year. He looks like kind of a rejuvenated. Play right now one hundred percent. I mean I've said I think it was last week. I don't remember but I mentioned before for that with all this tinkering. The Ger going with doing before that I thought the one thing that he could ever should have done was try. Alex talk up top fix. He didn't ask fine and and I think right now the way that he's got him with cody last seems to be working And I guess the other interesting thing at least is you know. Carry a on that line in kind of a dimension that he brings and and sort of what that trio you know presents her for opposing team but I think you know. I don't WanNa see them. As Alex goes the nights go but it kind of close to that won't lead you know what you can get out of their topics for the most part. And if you you all of a sudden have the confident consistent scoring threat on your third line. And I'm not saying that I'll suck is gonna you know score six excretes in three games and you know Arizona points a game you know the whole rest of the season whenever but if you can get out of him why it just makes you so much better. And so much the deeper and I think that's that's neat undervalued or overlooked aspect of this four game. Winning streak is is Kinda the death scoring especially with Alex acas brought. Yeah no I totally agree. I mean mentioned the top six guy who also contributed to at least yesterday's win was drunk the marsh so got a natural hat trick which I don't know man. He scored three straight goals in the game so big number Jonathan Marceau kind of needed it to get himself going. He's up to twenty two points on the season. Ah Dare Gangland Dare I say is actually when playing really well. Since this kind of switch was made I think it helps him a lot because he obviously ah smart player really experienced player. Not The fastest player. So chasing guys around the defensive zone is not his forte but getting a spot and kind of reading how you opposing players are going to attack. The nights I think is more to his speed. So that's been a big positive for the nights there's been a lot of positive it's they are on a four game winning streak. They play a the New York islanders tomorrow as a recording. This Thursday to finish up a three-game trip Dave will be there. Make sure to follow him at David Shane. LV RJ. For All your Goldeneye coverage. I am at Ben Escorts on twitter. You can find at review journal Dot Com. We Golden Age podcasts. Thanks again to. SDN SPORTS MOBILE FROM STATION CASINOS FOR SPONSORING US. We try to hit you guys every week with a new episode usually on Wednesday so make sure to like subscribe. Do whatever you do do with various podcasts APPS. Whether that's Itunes Stitcher spotify excetera and we will talk to you again real soon.

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Golden Knights trade deadline bonanza!

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Golden Knights trade deadline bonanza!

"Golden podcast dispenser by Estienne Sports From Station Casinos. Sdn sports the only sports betting APP. You need this season. Sign up today and get a new sign up bonus of up to fifty dollars. What IS UP HOCKEY FANS? This is the golden edge. Podcast coming at you the podcast. Where the Las Vegas Review Journal Talks? About Hockey and boy. Do we have a lot to talk about today for a week but Yeah Boring Week Perfect time for me to have to leave the state of Nevada for a couple of days and while I was gone everything happened. There's so much we have to dissect As a quick mentioned yeah trade deadline was Monday. Were recording this on Wednesday morning and we have to talk about all the moves. The nights made both on Monday. And then of course in the preceding days because they were active leading up to the trade deadline to this is going to be a really fun. Show so make sure you you know like subscribe whatever you do on your podcast platforms to us on. Itunes stitcher spotify excetera. Make sure to check out all our trade deadline coverage at review journal Dot Com because we had a quite a lot of it over the last couple of days when also WANNA remind guys. That Eagle Niche podcast is sponsored by Sti Sports Mobile From Station Casinos in today we are presented by untuckit. So we think those companies for their support Gentlemen I'm here with of course Adam Hill and Dave. Shane my great colleagues at the Review Journal. Have Your head stopped spinning from everything that happened on Monday? I'm looking at Dave. I feel like no. I think he's drowning skittles right now. Just kind of figuring things out Also did you run out of podcast platforms to talk about or did you just decide to stop? I just decided to stop. We have so much hockey to get to. I wanted to get to the hockey. As quick as preferred I referred to rehash all of your podcast platform run down. That was impressive. I was I was enjoying that. And then you just cut it off so there's running on adrenaline like Davis. You know I feel bad for Nick Holden. Moment he gets a two year contract and it just gets buried three fair. I wrote about him today. Show like I think we we still. We still doesn't give us a moment though you know nick. Holden doesn't want a moment. I if anybody wants a moment other than like Nate Schmidt in that locker room yeah secretly. It's probably Nicole and you know what I think you're I think you're right. It's the public persona of Nicole than is just kind of quiet business and that's not what is in reality. He's a fun Goofy Guy. One of my favorites Road traditions when you're covering the Golden Knights on the road is that you're waiting for the locker room to open. You can talk to players in the locker room and nick hold them. We'll just walk out to get his pre-game stretching teams but hey guys no sorry not available. You know interviews. Today guys have swamped too busy good. He's a very. He's very personable guy but he doesn't really show that he just UCF. As I think publicly to see him as like family guy and he's got the four kids Just kind of goes about his business but then if you talk to players like behind the scenes hilarious and he's rewarded. I thought it was very telling in announcing the contract extension again Nicole and two years he was gonna be a free agent at the end of the season gets a two year extension for less money than he's making now but he decided he wanted to be around here and when you they announced the extension it's of course you know it's what he doesn't ic- he's a solid player He just kind of fills his role. But what are they talking about? Good Dude everybody likes him even on the road. He's in the visiting team's locker rooms because everyone around the league dislikes him he just such a a good guy so I think it was pretty telling that that's kind of how they announce it of like. Hey this is a guy that we want and when I talked to him yesterday About resigning he was like. Yeah maybe I could have made more money if went to free agency. I don't know it could have been good could have been bad but I just love it here. I WANNA be here. My kids love it here so I thought that was pretty telling. I did a terrible job asking the question because I was trying to be polite and I didn't. I didn't know how to phrase it without kind of insulting him. But you know it's a two year contract and you know Nick Holden's thirty two right now. I think it'll be thirty four like you never know if he's going to be your seventh defenceman. That's kind of what I was getting with with everything with that question when I asked killing the criminal about it but my point with it was when you have a guy who might or is a seventh defenceman at certain point. You can't have somebody that's in there complaining about playing time going to their agency and I wanNA trade rocking the boat and all that Nick Holden is going to be the furthest thing from the if if that happens and again I don't want to just project that and say where because he's played really well you know he's going to be on the third night against the oilers they bumped. Alec MARTINEZ UP. But he's kind of that utility guy he's if if it turns into he's your extra guy. You want something like Nick Holden there. I see that as just you know with the highest compliment. Yeah totally and I think that's something that Brad Hunt gave them for a while. Brad Hunt Kinda needed. That's just his own job. Security were Brad. Hunt was pending free agent. He's like well. I gotTA play. 'cause I WANNA stay in the NHL and he stayed in the NHL with Minnesota. But I think that's kind of what the nights are going for here. An affable dude is great in the locker room who can provide some depth than the Blue Line. We will get back to Nick Holden. Probably and how as Dave mentioned that contract might affect the nights future but I think we gave him do off the top here Let's dive into other things. Yeah the bigger headline deals that the knights made on Monday at the trade deadline. The Knights of course had previously The last time Dave and I got together to record sent to second round picks to the Los Angeles Kings for Alec Martinez who has decided to just go off offensively after being not an offensive guy for the entire career and I'm sure he will eventually kind of go back to his career norms but he is certainly looking like a find pickup so far then over the weekend they send cody Eakin to his hometown. Winnipeg jets in exchange for a Fourth Round. Pick that can become a third round pick if the jets make the playoffs or resign. Ekin Ekin to Winnipeg for cap space. Yes they essentially cap space which they then used in part to acquire two players on Monday. Nixon's was kind of bottom six. You Know Filler guy from the Montreal Canadians kind of took a one year deal with Comedians. To resurrect his career because he was waived by. I believe it was the coyotes who didn't want him back signed a one-year one million-dollar with Canadians was having a is having a career year in terms of points per game. Which is still only. He's got twenty two points and I believe fifty six game so now is going to give you a ton of offense but kind of a bottom six grinder and that was in exchange for a twenty twenty one fourth round. Pick what we allowed to say on this podcast really quick. We are would like do. We have sensors we because Alec Martinez gave the like the best quote about Nick causing center. Yourself Yeah so we call them a bleep disturb over which I think is just like the best description of a you know a bottom six just past that you can never have enough of in the playoffs like I am all about having guys like that on your team I you know I know I can't say the word. I'm sure everybody can figure it out. There's an Emoji that you know little kids probably like to to you know do on the phones but anyway what? I thought you know I just thought it was the best description probably of of nick cousins and what people can expect of him no bothers you yes he does. Yeah agitate yeah good word. Good good as bleep to stern out here the PG way to phrase it so that was a move that got announced basically after the deadline it was three PM eastern time you have to basically have your trade queued up with the League in order for it to go through so a lot of trades can still be kind of broken news wise after the deadline. because teams are just on hold waiting for the NHL to make them officials so that was one and then before the deadline the obviously biggest talker there were spend a lot of time talking about and kind of debating as that the knights acquired goaltender Robin Lehner from the Chicago. Blackhawks in exchange for Malcolm Sudan a second round. Pick and prospect Slava Damon. They also got the Toronto Maple leafs involved in the deal. They sent them a fifth round. Pick so that the maple leafs who have a couple of players on L. T. I. R. Will take up some lanes remaining salary this year. Because layer is a pending unrestricted free agent. So the nights get some cap relief. They add leaner had not a huge hit to their books but now they have just absolutely fascinating goalie situation. I mean we could talk a lot. About how Malcolm Zubin who is now. The Chicago Blackhawks was not getting it done for them in net and Kelly mckernan made that very clear in his post deadline comments. We can talk about hallmark. Laundry flurry has not been necessarily at his best this year though he's certainly been better lately. Now all of a sudden you add a guy who was a Vezina trophy finalist last year to your room. Which by the way Marc Andre? Fleury has never been a veteran a finalist. There's obviously the angle of Robin. Lehner is a fascinating human. Being who has a wealth of interesting things to say powerful things to say He was one of the clear highlights for me at the NFL award. Show last year in Las Vegas. Leave this up to you. Start with you David. Where do you WANNA start? With the fact that the Golden Knights have acquired Roman Lane Robin Lehner. And what kind of jumps out to you about that transaction. I felt like you needed a fire extinguisher. Walking out of there because he just absolutely roasted Malcolm soon you know and I know it's a harsh business and I'm sure climate crime and probably would go back and say some things differently. Maybe I don't know you know. But he was very candid and honest that they did not have confidence that Malcolm Soobee and can win in the playoffs. They basically couldn't wait for him to develop into the heir-apparent. Marc Andre Fleury any longer. They need to win right now. And they didn't feel like if something happened to Marc Andre Fleury. Whether that be he continues to kind of being consistent like we talked about the end of last year right or if something like again we saw last year that he gets hurt and they have to go to Sudan. You know in the playoffs. You see all the time teams get down. Change a goalie looking for a spark something. Dif- whatever it might be Marc. Andre Fleury knows that firsthand from Pittsburgh I mean. There was a point in the two thousand sixteen playoffs against Tampa Bay. I believe where he came in relieved not Murray and then got the start the next game. I don't think he wanted but played pretty well. Actually and Mary regain the starting creased up winning that series they won the Stanley Cup. But it happens all the timing. You need to have faith that the the guy that you're going to go to or could go to can get it done and can carry. You can get on a hot streak. They just didn't feel like Malcolm Sudan can do that and to me. It says they feel like they have a team up front on defense. You know that. They're eighteen skaters. They feel. I can win a Stanley Cup as long as they get quality goaltending and they just didn't feel like Malcolm Sudan was in there that that was going to be the case and they didn't want to risk it. That was my big takeaway too. Is That you look at the Knights Roster and I guess we should mention how well they're playing right now. I mean this is a team. That's kind of lit the world on fire this previous homestand and then an a brief swing on the road in Anaheim but yeah I think it was his Kelly mccrum looking Malcolm Soobhan and saying you will not blow this for us. We have spent especially the past two years assembling a top notch. Roster that is playing kind of top notch right now in terms of you trade for Max Patch ready and Mark Stone. You Resign William Carlson to a pretty team friendly deal. You add pulse. Tasmania now you've added Alec Martinez previously that Group. They've gotten rid of cody. You took a flyer on Chandler Stevenson. It's really worked out like you got a ton of guys playing really really well like now right now. Shaffi door is obviously a big headline item in that group as well and so that they were not gonNa let knock him soon. Be The reason that this team didn't go far. If like Dave said something happened to Marc Andre Fleury now that being said it still is kind of a luxury by in terms of like I mentioned earlier. Robin Lehner is a rental. The nights as we're recording today. Maybe I'll pay yes. His contract runs out Yorkshire and the nights as recording. Today have eighteen games remaining. They play tonight against the Edmonton oilers. So while the average rental player was going to give you eighteen games of production Robin Lehner is going to give you what we think. Nine maybe at most. If you literally literally split the starts between him and Marc Andre Fleury's that makes it interesting but he's certainly a guy that you want to have in your back pocket too. You can certainly understand that logic. Statham what were your thoughts on the medial clear. Clearly it was a Hey. We cannot as everything they've said we cannot go into the playoffs in this is from the Golden Knights respective worrying that if something happened in my country. Flu Season's over like Dick. They cannot with the way that they built this roster. You can't have that That chance but I think it does go further into some sort of question about where Marc Andre Fleury is. I mean if you look on paper. Certainly his last five games. He's been much much better in the defense of implied much better in front of him in giving that opportunity. But you know we talk so much about the analytics of the skaters five on five. And how how? Well they've been and they haven't. The record hasn't quite matched up to how they played. The analytics have not been good this year so as as well as they played out front. Think there's some question of where is he wears his game. Is he going to be able to carry this team all the way through? I know that they wanted to make sure they had the trust in the backup in order to give flurry some. Rasta missionaries fresh for the playoffs. And all those other things. But I don't think right now. They're going into the saying well Leonard Tobacco. I think. It's let's see who plays well down the stretch. And who are starters in the playoffs? I do think there's a question in their mind. Who their best goalies right now? Yeah I think that's fair to bring up that it's not just a matter of if something happens to Marc Andre Fleury meaning he pulls a muscle and gets hurt or something. It's what if he continues to. Let's say underperform and you want a spark in a series. You get down to warn you down to nothing or something you know. I mean like I wrote brain. Hope he wasn't starter. The beginning of the postseason when the capitals went on their Stanley Cup run it was filled. Gruber and they've gotten a to nothing whole against Columbus now it's not that Hopi rescued him or anything like that. But you know you go to a different goal. You happens all the time and maybe make a change in you which are trying to do is find the guy who is the hot hand and you ride them and that ends up being Robin Lehner. If that ends up being Marc Andre Fleury. I don't think anybody really cares short term if they're lifting the Stanley Cup. Who's I still think the fans do? But the Golden Knights sorry to tell people the Organization cares zero about what you think and they just want their names on the cup and it doesn't matter who's in the blue paint at that point they'll figure it out later. That's the other thing I think with. All this is just you know it speaks to. Where's the long term with Marc Andre? Fleury clearly they've they've kind of reset as far as okay. What's the what's the succession plan? And who's GONNA take over? Because they were very you know they were very open about Malcolm Suzanne. That they felt like could be your would be a number one would be the guy that eventually takes over and you know like. I said earlier they just they just couldn't wait on that. I if they're listening to the Stanley Cup in June They'll gladly have to figure out where they're going to get a backup goalie point It's the same with pizza. I mean they they said okay. We feel like we need to make a change to you. Know to give us the best chance to win this season. It seems to have worked to jump. Start the team a little bit. The way that they've played. Sarli these last five. Six Games has been on a different level where they do look like a championship contender where they didn't for much of the season the they show that they are. They're willing to make any decision. They have to to put this team in the best position to win. And I think if you play these last say say. The plan is nine and nine these last eighteen years. I don't know what the plan is. They've talked about it. They did say Marc Andre Fleury starts tonight. This is Wednesday gives a couple extra days to kind of get familiar acclimatize. I think the word and potentially play against Buffalo. Yeah on Friday. Obviously one of his former teams may be a little psyched up for that. You know but it's it's possible to go ninety nine and split them right down the middle and that was something they certainly weren't doing with Su man It gives flurries and rest. And it also gives it's an audition for WHO's GonNa who if you asked right now who the game. One starter is in the playoffs. I think it's because they're familiar with AMIS here but that could certainly be different in a month. It's fluid that sets the word. It's a fluid situation situation absolutely. It was not going to be you know as we've talked about a fluid situation with Malcolm Sudan. It seemed very telling. And we've talked about this when it happened but pibor basically said when he took over and I asked him in Minnesota like. What's your kind of goalie rotation plan you said there isn't one the best guy starts every night and I think we all had our eyebrows raised that statement and said that's a really odd thing to say. When you're starters a thirty five year old goaltender will. The nights probably felt that way too and said Yeah. It's not a rotation because we don't think Malcolm Suzanne IS GOING TO BE. Our Guy Did win his last restarts now. They were cut two of them. Were kind of wild six five game right. He had to get bailed out a little bit. Basically and you know to to those games. The defense wasn't tremendous in front of him. But you know it's not like they could not win when he was in that but I think I if if you're looking at him saying is he going to be a guy that goes out and gives us a shutout or only allowed one goal and gives us a chance to win. We're not our best. They didn't have that faith and I think a lot of that was also you know they weren't confident enough to play him enough to get into a rhythm because we saw when he played more. He wasn't a rhythm but they didn't they never got that confidence level to where. Hey we can give them more and more starts. Get him that ability to be confident. I do think that they believe he can still be a very good goaltender one day. But they're they're they don't have time to wait on that they don't have time to develop them right now and so move on and I think he showed tom-tom again an unbelievable talent to make some unbelievable save some great plays in that kind of taunted you a little bit because there was the inconsistencies and there were times off of quick change turnovers faceoffs where he just didn't seem locked in and ready as much as he would. If they're the fee had a little bit of time to have to try to make save he would do it but there were times where he wasn't complete focus and I. I don't know that he that. They had the confidence that he was. He was showing the ability to be ready like tomorrow. It was more a year from now two years now and they were. They weren't gonNA wait. Yeah I think that's kind of you summed up career where it's kind of just been summed up by inconsistency in this kind of chicken or the egg scenario where you can always be like. Willy doesn't look great but are they not putting him in the best situations to succeed and also teammates don't appear to be playing well in front of him but also much of that. He's just not covering up for some of the poor team defense that the nights are playing whereas more country flurry does cover that up a little bit and gives them one or two bailout saves a game that you kind of need at the NHL Level. It'll co elkem. Does Chicago Blackhawks. I mean that feels like a as you kind of mentioned anime team. That's a slightly better fit for him in terms of they're not trying to win it all now. They traded quite a few players The past couple days with obviously lehner being one of them they also traded their defenseman Gustafsen. Who's a really good offensive player? Someone that we speculated where the Knights might be interested in he has a lot of defensive deficiencies though and ultimately was moved At the deadline. But that might be a spot for Malcolm to kind of have some growing pains down the stretch here But he is going to have to play really well because he's once again a free agent at the end of this off season. He's a restricted free agent. He's kind of playing for his career at this point and so interesting. See where that goes. Can I jump in? This is no no sorry I the only reason I want I mean. I WanNa be a little bit devil's advocate here in kind of be the negative Nancy about it and not to be too harsh but you know what you're talking about and part of part of this is Malcolm Superman didn't earn those starts like with his performance and and yeah we can talk about the situation and the guys in front of like that game on Sunday in Anaheim that was Malcolm Sudan's entire career in a microcosm he made a handful of like unbelievable saves and then it's five three and you figure you know okay. You got three minutes to just get it over the finish line here no big deal and then it just ends up being a white knuckle ride because he gives up a rebound gives up a goal and then you can just see like everybody. Everybody has doubt at that point of whether it's GonNa stay for every shot becomes. Hold your breath and you can't have that DHL level. It's just the one thing like you talked about Ben whether it's covering up for it or what. That's the difference. That's the difference between you. Know guys who start out as backups. And the thing is is yet stinks and it's a hard job and you never get putting good situations. You're always getting the signature of back to back and you know all these other different situations that are favorable but you know what almost every back of goes to that situation and the good ones are the ones that elevate and still put up numbers and still figure out a way to get on a run. Get on a hot streak and earn those starts basically it never just. It never quite happened that way with Malcolm. Subbiah nut in consistency. You know like you said it's a tantalizing you see the saves you know you see the lateral movement you see the explosiveness an and all that sort of stuff and then you just see the other times where at the end of the game you go. Well you still give four goals. He still give it five goals. You know four of the last five games. He gave up four goals or more. I think he's three and or something like that was like you know. He had the good he has now. He's getting the run support all of a sudden always the thing with him. He never got the run support. Well now he's getting it now. It's basically kind of masking the fact that you know in the last three minutes. He's got to lean. You're basically you know on a roller coaster ride hanging on for dear life with them and it's not the way that you want to be going into the last twenty games of a season when you're fighting in the division and going into a postseason where you feel like there's a path potentially there for you to make a run. Yeah the night's have decided to of course get off that roller coaster ride. They are now in the Marc Andre Fleury and Robin Lehner Business and as we mentioned it's GonNa be fascinating to see how that business develops throughout the rest of the regular season and the postseason. We're GONNA talk about some other moves. 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I think one key thing that this allows the team to do is to move Kanter Stevenson potentially to center David. I of course had him on our special podcast. A couple episodes ago he has to check that out and he mentioned that he likes playing center a little bit better. He has certainly performed at center a little bit better so that opens up a spot for him with Alex. Tuck on long term injured reserve currently but expected to come back by the end of the regular season that gives Nick Wa some regular playing time in the NHL Right now so it certainly gives them a new third line and a new thing to kind of play with their which is something that they've kind of needed all season because you know most third-line combinations season involved cody Eakin and Alex Talk. And they were not working. Dave Yeah I mean I think there's a little element of maybe the Brad Hunt stuff at work here too. With cody can going back to Winnipeg. Certainly he serves a purpose. Winnipeg needed somebody down the middle. The you know. Kinda strengthen the bottom six and and do a lot of the things that he was doing here but Kalama crimen kind of talked about the emergence like you said one challenge Stevenson. You know at center but also Nick Law and they just feel deeper down the middle once. They're all healthy and they felt. I think like you know the CODA iguanas basically expendable at that point. If they had to move somebody he's almost making four million dollars. You can clear a lot of room and you still feel good about your center spot. You know if I'm if I'M GONNA play manager like yeah. I'm doing that. Move to so I think from that standpoint. I don't want to say it's a no brainer but it makes a lot of sense you know cody can go somewhere where. He's going to have a chance to resign. I mean certainly you know twenty two goals last year but he's going to have to walk into negotiating the summer off what's been kind of a sub par season who knows where you know. The market's going to be for him and things like that. You know going back to Winnipeg. Maybe he's able to impress your last one games. Maybe they get to the playoffs. Maybe the nights see them in the first round. I mean also right. Now it's kind of lined up that way right. Gordie wants to go to Winnipeg. That would be fascinating. See how this kind of new look. Third-line performs released as long as Alex. Talk still and lt are. Nick will play first game for Golden Knights. Tonight as we're recording this. He just arrived in Las Vegas. He had some visa issues that delayed his arrival other quick moves. You want to get to like I mentioned about the top Alec Martinez actually looked really good for the first three games. He's been with the nights he is now been moved up to the second pair with Shea Theodore Atom. I know you got a chance to talk to him a little bit today. Just kind of wears your sense of where his head's at now? Kind of being a little bit more acclimated to this team into Las Vegas for the first thing. You mentioned the fact that he's kind of had an offense of outburst in these few few games here with the Nice. I think that a lot of that is just kind of being freed. He was with the king's his whole career. But you know these have not been great certainly for the Kings in this year in particular. Just Kinda you know just kind of existing on a team that where he's won championships and now he's in the same place. But you know the team is not what it has been in the past and it. Just kinda languishing there. I think he's just excited to be away from there But right now he's looking around saying I've been here five days and I'm not the new guy anymore. Like this is Kinda cool. He said some of the guys are like hey kind of ask him for advice on how to you know going into the teams went into the city. Like be a part of it and he's like I can help you. I guess but these other guys are going to be much better than me. I've only been here five days. But he does. He is look around now like right now. I'm not the only new guy in here. There's some other guys that are kind of joining in being a part of this as well. I I you know he seems you know thrilled to be back in a cup race in in in the playoff picture and now he's going to have the chance to play wish theodore tonight and we'll see how that pairing kind of evolves. I Know Pete the board said he's just kind of experimenting now. He doesn't want to do in the playoffs. He's trying to figure out who works together but he talks about being very excited to play with a guy like Shea Theodore who is so often simply talented in such a gifted player in Martinez can be that veteran presence with them so I think he's kind of excited about being part of that tonight. Yeah I think one thing you mentioned there in terms of him being a veteran and then him you know giving guys advice or lack thereof one thing. That's really interesting to me. Is that his lockers right next to Zach white clouds and I think you know we talked about David when they acquired him lassie or last. Podcast about how he's two-time cup winner he brings kind of these intangibles that are hard to quantify potentially to your locker room. I mean that's one thing that I think you can point to like okay. Here's a twenty three year old kid kind of starting out his career and looking at a guy like Martinez whose career he probably wants to have that quite cloud with love to be a part of two Stanley Cup winning team. So that's intriguing. Something to watch you know and like you mentioned Adam. He's certainly added something to that lineup. Had been promoted already. Someone's real interesting is the fact that we talk all the time about how business guys move around. They get used to it right like you know. We see some of these guys back and forth. Ahl but more so you see guys changing locker rooms we talk about. Sue bans gone. And he's got to figure out how to go live somewhere else. And Cody eakin going back to his hometown. And that SORTA Albertina has never changed teams. Like he's better than that organization for his entire career and now he was talking about that. He's I've never. I've never done this like I've never gone through kind of learning a new locker room and a new place. That's new to me so I thought that was pretty interesting from his standpoint of we talk about this all the time all the movement that guy's having as professional athletes not him. It's a totally new experience for him. Certainly navigated it well so far and the fact that you know. He's here not just for the season but also next season super interesting. And we'll kind of finish talking about Nick Holden's extension kind of in conjuncture with Martinez because the nights now have five defensemen under contract already for next season's. Equa cloud is a restricted free agent. With a lot of restrictions. Actually so he does need a new contract to come back and then John Maryland. Derek England are unrestricted free agents. And so Dave will ask you this because you know holding also said to be a UFA and the nights locked him up and then Merrill and England are UFA's F- as still was essentially the night saying we want Nick Holden as you mentioned earlier to be that seventh eighth guy and that worked you know comfortable kind of getting that business out of the way now and it really looks like Marilyn England might be walking out the door yeah. That's probably an element of it right. I mean they've just got they got all these guys who think h o Scholz coggin right now. You know Who also Bischoff? So they've got all these guys I mean at some point you have to. You know you have to open up spots and let people move up. Give him an opportunity. If that's kind of how it is and I don't know if they're moving on from John Merrill it certainly would appear that they're going to kind of you know let him get to market and maybe move on we'll see I mean again. I don't know it just be you know if I'm going to put myself in John Meryl's skates or something for a second. I'M GOING TO PROJECT IN. Look at where things aren't and say you know. Maybe I am only seventh defenceman or an eighth defense. Maybe I'm fighting for a roster spot or something like that with the nights maybe I would like to go somewhere else. You know if he maybe he gets offered three years or something like that. Maybe somebody sees him as a fifth. A fifth or sixth defenceman. Excuse me I mean those are all the business decisions that that kind of come with us. That's why you guys have agents and things like that I mean you brought it up like I mean all right. I'll throw it out there. Have we seen Derek England in a Golden Knights uniform for the last time? Like he's. He's the eighth defencemen in Anaheim seeming. John Merrill took warm-ups John. Merrill is a seven defensemen. Took warm-ups Durkin was up in the press box with us. You know which tells me that right. Now he's the eighth defenseman. He's you know behind John. Mero in the pecking order depending on what happens. Maybe if Zach White cloud were to get banged up and they specifically said we want a right shot. They're you know they would look at Turkey island but right now. I don't know if Derek England gets another game unless they have something clinched at the end of the year and they can put him in a game. That's maybe not a meaningful game. I guess you could say or. Maybe they get em like the home finale or something like that before that last road trip. I don't know but right now I mean it clearly. Seems like they're not going to resign him in all signs point to right now him. Not being able to to crack the lineup. Yeah Dirk England's future is certainly up in the air but I think one thing we can all agree on. Is that the present for the Golden Knights. I mean looks really promising because of the moves. They made Monday and in the preceding days. I mean we talked about. This team was pretty much on a roll even before the trade deadline. Now I think it's pretty clear to say they've significantly upgraded backup goaltender on the roster right now as to who the backup goaltender technically is that might remain an open question the rest of the season. But it's certainly fun to talk about all these moves because it was a fascinating trade the trade deadline for the gold nights and they made what has been a very good team. The last couple of weeks potentially even better. Well that's GonNa wrap up this edition of the Golden Edge. Podcast a reminder if you want more on all these trades at the Golden Knights made check out our coverage at review journal Dot Com. Dave and Adam had some great stories. Ed Granny had a great column kind of talking about Robin Leonard Story. And all the things that he's been through the past couple of years to make sure to like subscribe. Whatever you do with podcast to us. I tuned Stitcher spotify X. CETERA. 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Golden Knights end the year on a win, take lead in Pacific Division

Golden Edge - Vegas Golden Knights Hockey

27:12 min | 1 year ago

Golden Knights end the year on a win, take lead in Pacific Division

"Golden PODCAST is sponsored by. Sdn Sports from station Casinos Estienne sports the only sports betting APP. You need this season. Sign up today and get a new sign up bonus of up to fifty dollars What's up everybody Golden Ed podcast? I'm here at T. mobile arena. We're looking over empty arena. After the New Year's Eve matinee between the nights and Anaheim ducks a five to easy win for the Golden Knights very impressive asu performance. We'll get to that and how the Golden Knights are playing as we roll along with the podcast Adam Hill and Dave Shane here Cover the team for the Review Journal. No no Benghazi is out sick. Upper Body Day to day he said I think is accurate description. So we will We'll try to soldier on without him. mm-hmm don't forget the Golden Egg podcast brought to you by. Sdn Sports Mobile from station casinos and presented by UNTUCKIT. Make sure you like subscribe have share comment all the things you do with podcast wherever you listen to us and David no no ban as we said today but We'll try to get through this and a a lot of good things going on for the Golden Height now. What I don't want to do is say? The Golden Knights closed out the decade with their gallery This is not the end of the decade. That's a year from now. We're going to do that. We're not GONNA look back on a decade that was for the Golden Knights because we'll they've only been around for three years anyway But please don't refer to this. This is the end of the decade because there was no year zero. This is not the end of the decade but we will leave that for other people to debate down the road. Where where are you on this? First of all I think your the end of the decade guy. Yeah right we'll because you start your life like you're zero right. It's not the same as on a calendar. You don't have a year zero it's it. Hey this is. This is September fourteenth of zero September fourteenth this morning. I don't know we don't have to debate this this. This is the this is some weird lunar thing or whatever though right knows how it all started. I don't know what's going on. I will say this when I said you can like and subscribe and comment others are coming on this. Is this the end of the decade. Because it's not it is not I feel like this is going to go on and on for the next year problem. I'm here for it but I know other people probably are sick of it. So we'll move on from that ban is probably at home like thank goodness. I'm not here for this part of this But we won't do the end of the decade stuff like a lot of people are doing. We will do the state of the team kind of thing at the turn of the year. I think that's kind of a a fair point to do it and I don't think anybody. Can you know argue you that the Golden Knights aren't playing the best hockey that we've seen them play all year right now. The I would one hundred percent agree with that. I think you know if we're going to talk about the end of something. Let's talk about the end of the month. And the end of December and what they did during this month so at the start calendar flips through December. I I think I looked it up. They were thirteen eleven and four good for thirty points. I was fourth in the Pacific Division and then if you go on all the technical things points percentage and whatever they were not in a playoff spot at that point in December I you know thirty one days later there. They go nine four and two during the month. Play some really good hockey and they go into twenty twenty and first first place and like you said playing their best hockey feeling good about the way. They're playing you know we've got two goalies. I guess that were are good at the time. So we can talk about that Obviously the top two lines are going right now. It seems to be one on alternating nights the fourth wind especially the last two games has been incredibly physical Rick Talk it even use the word intimidating. Not necessarily that. His team was but but within the context texts of the nights in the fourth line. We're just kind of seeing them. figure out their identity figure out the way that they have to play to be successful and you know at least right. Now it's working we'll see how How long they can carry it over? And if you look at the season as a whole I it's important to evaluate where they are right now because there's a lot of hockey to be played and I asked a couple of guys is today about it and you around for and I think being in first place at this point of the year doesn't mean a whole lot especially when you look around and say okay. The Golden Knights are you know sitting in first place in the division. which that's where you want to be? But really they're only like seven points ahead of the final place so it's not like I play some dominating first place play spot but I think in a you know more micro level you're in first place despite having kind of gone through the ups and downs and the struggles that are early in the season. So I think it's more of a landmark to say okay you you got through what you had to get through. You've kind of figure some things out. You're playing the best hockey the and Oh by the way you're also in first place for now so despite everything you've gone through your in first place in the division like that I think is why it's a little bit more of a big deal right now to say. Okay you're where you want to be like this visit. Now you can start. Putting some some cushion there some padding to the point total in really start pushing ahead because you're getting. The results is as much as they said. They played well early in the season they thought or some potluck going estimates. You're getting results to back that up and I think that's why you're a little more confident where you are right now for the nights right right and I guess you you know the flip side to it is yes. It's still early this. There's a lot to play but were pass the halfway point now so it's really kind of not that early anymore and it is somewhat significant. I guess you could say for them to be in first first place at this point in the season I mean. Obviously you know. It doesn't mean anything. It's not going to clinch. Unless Bader baseball where it would be the winner of the first half advocates. Have I had a fantasy baseball league. I used to do that. It was great. Obviously don't do that at the end but to your point. I think it's more of the patients. They showed early on kind of resilience. Things weren't clicking. We saw some other teams in some other franchises around the league. Not necessarily hit the panic button but you you know. There was a lot of chatter in a lot of noise and in some questions and things and the nights just kind of kept their down kept things quiet kept on plugging away and you. You know this is. This is a I guess. In a little bit of a way the reward for it you know is to is to now find themselves in a spot where you know Edmonton's fading a little bit Calgary's coming on but you know again like we just talked about earlier. They're playing their best hockey right now. When you kind of want to start doing that you know going forward the the trade deadline here in a month and a half and then then really kind of be able to to turn it on see where their ad but but again I just think I think if nothing else it speaks to what? They're able the early on kind of weather. The storm stick with it and just kind of figure out who they are and what they need to do to win games so you know. We didn't really talk about going this direction on the podcast one or throw it out there and I hate. I hate this being the end of the decade. I hate all these cheesy things that come with the New Year but I'm going to do it anyway because people like this. It's a new year. It's January anyway. I if the Goldeneye were to make resolutions about what they need to do in the New Year how they need to get better what they can do to kind of keep this I. I think one would be continued doing what you're doing and try to make this play stay consistent but you know what is there is there an addition to look for. Is there something that they need to do in their a game to you know to go from first place team to championship contending team what do they need to do in the New Year to get where they want to. I mean I think there's always things you can look at and say. Oh if you know maybe they can upgrade here. Maybe they can improve their all actually go the other way on this a little bit the better that they play the more chemistry they developed with the unit and the group that they have right now. Almost feel like you. Don't WanNa mess with it too much. You KINDA WANNA play this out for a few weeks where you're at and then be able to. Maybe if if you're killing the Kremlin and George mcphee evaluate okay. Maybe we need a defenseman. Maybe it's a puck moving guy. Maybe it's somebody's a stay at home guy and clear the front of the net that that seemed to be at least for me was an issue on the ducks first goal or actually only goal or not. But it's just that clearing the front front of the net. That was something that game a couple of weeks ago back in Vancouver and they talked about in the first period they were down three one. They weren't clearing the front of the net. Maybe that's the improvement. They can make. Maybe they can find somebody out there that that does that job but also feel like you know things are clicking right now and and I don't know how much they want to mess with things in terms of personnel. I think if you're going to really start to nitpick you wanNA start seeing some bottom six scoring a guy like Alex Talk. Getting on the scoreboard. Tonight will be yeah. No it wasn't him. Put The puck in the net. Yeah he gets credit for it. I think you know it's just big for him to you. Know maybe get off the Schneider little bit get some confidence pastas. He had a couple goals. Last two games you know we saw cody glass. Come back from what is suspected. Concussion haven't seen him on the scoreboard last few games. But you know that third lion potentially has some you know some offense in them. You've got three guys. That aren't grinders are those are more skill guys so you feel like like Mu. They're a little deeper. But you know right now you look at it and the fourth is playing incredible hockey. The first two lines are are really starting to you. You know produce consistent offensively. There's just not a whole lot of third line be a lot better. Yeah probably but I think there's still some issues to to work out in terms of Cody Glaspie on the wing. I still don't think that's his best. But he he probably needs a place where it. How could that how? How do they make that work? Well if we I really want to look at it it's GonNa get even more convoluted wing. Cody eakin comes back. He was skating this week on his own. Usually the timetable for that. Is You know at some point within the next week. You'd figure he'd come back to practice you know. Eventually he'll have to get cleared for contact and all that but then you're looking at chillers. Stevenson cody glass. Cody Eakin pastas housing. You've got a surplus of of centers at that point. Good problem for for jargon into have but yeah I mean right now chemistry wise you you'd probably like to see staffing glasson. Listen in Tuck developed a little more like I said those are often of mining guys and you and you like seen them scoring but the way the first lines going and then the time before that early game before that the way that the The Stone Patty combination has been clicking. I I don't think they're hurting for offense right now. So it's not like you look at that third line and go you know now. Hey guys we need you to pick it up because we're not winning right along those lines. Alex Talk. I had a very high expectations for you know obviously a very talented player. Big I good skater. Thought he would do a lot. He's actually been I would I would put them in the category of disappointment this year. for much of the year now certainly they've had to figure some things out with moving around. They've had injuries along. You know along that line. They've tried to mix and match little bit are do you think concerned about where Alex pucks game is right now. Yeah maybe a little You know I'm a concern is the right word. I don't know what the right word necessarily missile -sarily is. I just go back to my thing with Alex. Talk and I've said this repeatedly as I go back to the mark stone trade and the trade deadline last February when Alex Tuck was the leading score on the scene and Mark Stone comes in and it bumped Alex. Talk to the third line. And I don't know if it was a confidence thing or an actual on the ice you know just not getting the chances productivity same chemistry what have you but it just seems like ever since that trade and and Tuck has been on the third line that he just hasn't quite produced. Yeah you you WANNA see more You know maybe the one thing that was noticeable noticeable was he started to develop some chemistry with cody. Glass when Cody Lhasa's at center. So you know. Maybe that's a way to do it. But but again to bring back the point point they're going to have a surplus of centers here in the next couple of weeks and you know they're going to have to sort out you know where they want everybody in in what the best combinations. There's not a whole lot of concern about the goaltending there is. There's some interesting things to talk about with those goalkeepers though to To play for the Golden Knights with Malcolm's man and Marc Andre Fleury. And we'll get to that. Take a quick break. Come back and talk about that and more here on the Golden Age. Have you ever seen untucked buttoned-down. They look bad. Why well because they weren't meant to be worn that way? Thankfully there's untuckit the original button-down shirt actually designed to be worn untucked. No matter your size or shape untuckit shirts always fall of the perfect untucked length and with the holidays. Today's near there's no better gift for your favorite guy who needs an upgrade. 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So it's going around y'all go through it But he'll he'll be back I think you know he'll be out there Hopefully the new year will bring a new ben new freshmen backout cout with US but We were talking to the goaltenders and I it's a sturdily mar has been really really good. The last two games kind of you're getting his back under him there is I think a lot of factors for why there were some struggles for awhile certainly things that he was going through off the ice. It's very very difficult to try to concentrate on playing hockey and trying to get through those things If you take a step back from things and take the emotion out of it take the names out of it. And just look at the way way. They've played over the last month and a half. It's hard to argue. That Malcolm Suen hasn't been the better player but there are other things flurry we know is the starter we know his track record. He has been the best player for this franchise for several years. He's starting to feel that a little bit. I think the last couple of games he started. Get back there and there are certainly reasons why I think you know. He's had some struggles with everything going on off the ice everything dealing with father and all the emotion that's gone on there the family. I think it's a good thing to look and say. Hey you've got sue man who is playing at an incredibly high level. You've also got floor. Who you know what he is? You know what he's going to beat you he's your best player. He's the face of your franchise he's the sole of your franchise. He's everything else like. I think you take good thing right now to say you've got two guys that are very capable but I also think you might want to look at it and say maybe play a little bit more not not just because in the past. We said flurry needs rest. You need to keep sue band out there. The way that he's been playing and keep them fresh rush. I think the argument is there to be made that he should be playing a lot. More share of the Games. Now I mean. I'll just be the contrarian. Just because you're being the contrarian is I mean I don't I think he played very well in Anaheim the other night. Okay you know but it's one on and then give us. It's just me being a jerk for the sake of being a jerk but no I mean I mean numbers are numbers in in the last month. Malcolm Subas been outstanding and I think You know here's the reality. It's fun for us to like poke fun at WHO's he's a starter and here's the backup and like you know all this sort of stuff but the point is what you made that it's good for the Golden Knights that they need this. They're playing at the start of the season John was to play. Malcolm Sudan more anyway but it was going to be predicated obvious on him. Earning those starts continuing to play. Well you know and Dave prior and enjoyed being able to continue to run him out there and not feel like okay. Well we're giving away two points so the fact that he's in a spot where he's played you know I don't want to say out of his mind but he's played really well. The last month is going to give them the luxury going forward for the next three plus months of continuing to load manage flurry a little girl. Then I I think that I think they will I think they will. I think I think it's easier to do it. It's easier to live up to what you said you're GONNA do win in Sudan is playing the way he is because you feel confident you know. Okay if we've got a backtrack we've got a group of games here. We can give Samana couple. You know in in those sorts of things. That's where the I mean. I mean if you go forward and look at this division right now for the next. You know a handful of weeks. Starsky campers out in Arizona right. Now the conducts are playing Walmart. Sam's playing well but seemingly every other team this division has got goaltending. I guess question marks are issues or just inconsistency whatever you want whatever you wanna call and if things are going to continue continue to be this tight going forward in the nights are going to you know try to win division. I almost think in a way it's going to be who's ever got the best goaltending winds and right now I I think the night's have at least combination wise arguably the best goaltending in in that division. Maybe you could you know make a case for Arizona a little bit with campaign Ranta but I mean I think they're better than Smith and cost and I think they're better than ridicule. And you know. Talbot and Calgary I think Mark Simms decent but you you know if Marc Andre Fleury and Malcolm sooner and playing up to their capability nights have the best goaltending in that division in. And you know maybe enough to to see what kind of damage they can do you and you know conference playoffs and things when they see the central teams and I think the kind of I don't think it's a major factor. Trust me. I'm not saying this is a huge thing but when any anybody. That's a that's a veteran player that has been around for a long time. There might be attempting to get comfortable and to have another other guy or team playing really well behind you. It's got to be a good thing internal competition not that you're you're hating each other and going after like that but it's just like hey there's this other guy who he wants to play too and he's playing really well and that. Could that could help drive. Flurry is well. That's just another factor. That can help for sure. I mean I guess the catch twenty two with it is Czyz. flurries seems like a guy in a goalie who kind of plays better when he plays a lot. So there's going to have to be some balance here and making sure that he stays active active and he stays busy and gets kind of enough pox and sees enough pucks to to stay sharp while also kind of rewarding Malcolm soon for his plan. You know. Obviously they're they're pros you know. That's that's what they get paid. You know Dave prior and those guys get paid big money for and all that. I'm sure they'll figure it out but you know again i. It's fun for us to joke about put but when it really boils down to tonight's are in the best position they could be in in terms of goaltending question. Mark under flurry will be the Unites Representative in the All Star game You know as you said not a whole lot of great goaltenders in the division. So that's there but maybe you might be might be better for the team in their long term outlook. Look to have flurry not play. And you know take those you know. Take that rest instead of Instead of playing especially with the road trip that they have coming up which is going to be pretty brutal for them but still cool honor for Florida. It'll be there. Yeah I I was GonNa say I think. I don't think he would ever get anybody to admit this. But I think secretly if Marc Andre Fleury was not chosen nobody would've really minded within the organization you know give a few days to you know just have a break clearly had a chip on your shoulder like hey we know we. So how good he is he deserved. And then you've got to prove it and right and all those things are good right and they have the bye week read after that so he could have got a big chunk arrest and all that. But you know I mean. Excuse me he'll be fine and and I think you know. Probably the big thing is in terms of the organization in terms of just the visibility. You know for him to kind of be the one to go and represent the team. It's it's just it's a good thing for the organization because everybody loves furry you know the media always gravitates toward them. We'll see what he does you know in terms of his song choice and all that sorta stuff during the the the what is the save street shootout. I whatever crazy name they come up with competition but you know I mean I think the bigger thing is to be quite honest if campers not there is he's going to have to warm up and probably get beaten that first game to be quite honest. I mean it's not a very strong Pacific division team when you look at some of the other ones so you know maybe from the. That's pretty good. High talent talent. Yeah in in one defenseman on the Roster so oh well on the other side of that just all the things we said about. If flurry would have been snubbed you can say about Max. Patch ready. Who I think is having a fantastic season in almost certainly deserved? I guess he's GonNa Consideration. We're almost certainly you know you could make the case that he could be there and you could make all the same arguments. He's he's going to get the rest so he doesn't have to go perform unless he gets vote and gets in but he can get the rest and look at it and say hey. He was snubbed and use that as some whatever motivation you could possibly use. I'm sure it's not much but that little bit of hey you need you can prove that they made a mistake by leaving you off. Sure Mark Stone to you. Know I mean he's another one that in parity the in stone neither of them have ever made an all star game in their career. So I mean I asked Max Pitcher Eddie about it yesterday. And he wasn't exactly Let's say thrilled per se about if you were to make an all star game or not. I don't think it was the the highest thing on his list of priorities. Let's put it like that But I also so thank you know if he were voted in. Certainly be an honor. You know that that you know he would be proud of and and same thing for stone but I think more than anything is what's odd I guess is what more do they have to do. You know I mean when you Kinda clearly one of the best players. Yeah Yeah and in underrated it. Almost you know I mean played an auto all years and everybody talks him up closest selke award or whatever and yet it comes to an all-star game and you know he's not even on the last man in vote. Max Patrick Eddie got that over. I'm sure that's probably a a little bit of a little chirpin between the two of them. But you know I mean all star Games are a little weird. I mean when you look at you know who's on there and you know can be a little political and a lot of it's just you know filling in the rosters and everybody's gotTa have a have a guy and all all that so I mean I don't think it's necessarily always you know the be all end. Almost telltale of you know who's playing the best and things like that but you know I think if if nothing else just the fact that the Max Patron Mark Stone you know kind of mentioned for it and and getting some credit getting some some publicity in whatever is is you know at least a good. The thing gets rid of that West Coast bias a little bit. You know everybody's out here not usually seen them. So so the All Star game coming up Golden Knights continue on this. He's home stand. You know. We talked about the other day. The Christmas break came. I thought it was kind of a bad time the way that they had things going. They had the momentum there in in front of them but the other come out play you know a little bit slow again after the break but now looks like they're right back where they left off getting that momentum going and now they're going to have the rest of the host and then another break and you mentioned that by week that could break the momentum a little bit but for the Golden Knights are just looking to kind of keep things going the way that they're playing right now certainly ragland is happy with where they are. We talked about how they should be thrilled with where they are as a team right now but things gone well in nights world For the time being and it looks like the prognosis is good for the second half of the season. WHO ARE I? Guess the you know. We'll have plenty of time to talk about. This season. Goes on who should be most fearful all of in the division To kind of keep them from from winning the division tired of it they want. I mean I'll give maybe two sides of it I think think Arizona's the the one team that you know by the end of the season is going to be right there. I don't see them going away But I think in terms of you know who vegas maybe could quote unquote fear. I would say Calgary They they seem like they've sort of figured some things out there getting some offense from Khachatryan good dro- and some some guys they weren't getting offerings from early on They seem like everything wants to the coaching situation. kind of got sorted out there and and whatever off the ice drama was is kind of kind of building it seems like everybody took a big deep breath kind of a sigh of relief of okay now we can kinda go on so I mean I would expect if you're going to say who are the the three you know the top three teams in the division. Come April sixth seventh. Whatever it is I would say the nights coyotes and flames But it'll it'll be interesting. The two that I think are most interesting for me are the contracts and the oilers oiler largest. They're playing really well. They have a lot of high end. Skill young is and then same thing kind of the oilers to think you know if they they get their defense straighten out there a dangerous team because of how good mcdavid and dry side alarm basically those two guys can go win a game by themselves well and we also know that. There's a certain player that wins the division title every year Jamie. Neil that's on that roster he always wins wins division titles no matter where he goes every year. So we'll see if that streak is broken. Lot of hockey left to be played here in the season as we turn the counter under to a New Year go nights playing very well see if they can keep that going. We'll see if we can keep this going. We try to do without band. We'll get him back Next week hopefully if he's feeling better later that day to day I said he might be where week to week. We'll find out But thank you guys for listening. Hope you guys can t you know. Keep Tuning in subscribe like share all those things that you you do your favorite podcasts. Wherever you download it from? Don't forget the podcast is brought to you by. Sdn Sports Mobile from station casinos and presented by UNTUCKIT for Dave chain. I'm Adam Hill. We will talk to guys again very soon and I hope you enjoy the New Year and don't forget the decade begins next year a year from now. Now make sure you keep that in mind will leave you with that happy end of the decade.

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Meet the McKnights

Golden Edge - Vegas Golden Knights Hockey

38:29 min | 2 years ago

Meet the McKnights

"In two years old in terms of plane plane in the league at great success making the playoffs two years rose fantastic <hes> we'd be still in the the playoffs today heavy at that bad call and we won't get over just yet but we'll get over next year over going all the way golden golden edge back with you guys yes. It's the off season but so much to get into talking about the golden knights and some of the changes that have been made decided to pop on. We'll do this throughout the off season. Let you guys know update what is going on with the golden knights. Maybe like a brief look at what the off season is gonna look like as well here on the golden edge podcast cast adam hill ben goats shane here with you. Make sure you like subscribe and share everything you do with the podcast and let your friends know that we are bringing. You guys golden. The nights news around dekalb nder not just during the season a big off season ahead for the goldeneye. It's already got started so let's jump right into it in guys. <hes> we heard there right off the top <hes> bill foley talking about a change in the front office structure not sure how much it's going to change things on a day to day basis but certainly in name as kelly recruitment bumped up from assistant g._m. To general manager george mcphee moving up in the world and seem seem to be staying in place but the names have changed and the biggest thing kelly mccray staying around the highly coveted kelly mccrum around the league staying around in vegas for the long-term. Yes a really interesting move by the golden knights of course but crewmen had at least gathered some interest from the oilers for kind of their vacant position russian seattle's expansion team. You know they don't have a firm time line but they were definitely interested in at least talking democrat about their potential g._m. Position so the nights it's kinda got creative to keep a guy that they think very highly of and not just of course what he does personally but how he works with george mcphee i mean they've talked about their partnership. You know they're a married couple. Essentially murphy says they finish each other's sentences like an old married couple. We buying that slightly. I it's it was a little interesting to hear the talk about each other through the courses press conference in basically be like this is the mcphee saying this. This is the greatest professional relationship i've ever had like. We're so in lockstep. We never disagree. That was a direct quote which i found interesting pink 'cause. I'm sure that's not entirely true but i'm sure everybody disagrees about south -actly stuff comes up but yeah it really seems like they empowered or this brain trust with. I'm sure a lot more money to stay together no matter what and i think you do kind of here the bond between them when they talk about each other. Are there specifically <hes> thought it was interesting when mcphee was talking about macrumors family in his kind of reaction to that so i think that's something we should actually give listened to right now. This is a very good day for the vegas. Golden knights <hes> the decisions made of what's best for the vegas golden knights. I'm personally very very happy <hes> to be able to do this. I'm proud to be able to give this to kelly because he is more than ready to do this. Do a well so i'd like to say congratulations to kelly to terry <hes> their son mickey happens to be standing in for kelly at the amount of toba hall of fame today kelly's inducted there so not a bad day for hockey man and <hes> in chelsea who's at home watching on television television because someone has to watch the <hes> <hes> congrats kelly's parents and the big brother brand so you're there one of a couple of very emotional moments of the press conference actually in you thought i mean i think one thing that show is that first of all george mcphee not a robot <hes> we can <hes> figure that out but i think you see just how much he cares cares about kelly macrame in and how you know how valuable is to him but also how much he cares about on a personal level because that is mcphee getting emotional about mccrum history in his backstory so i think that does show kind of the depth of their relationship is not just you know this working relationship that just to hockey people talking hockey not all the time we should point out at the very like brad mcraven was <hes> died in a plane crash with his hockey teams for context there. That's kind of mcphee is getting emotional about is obviously brad. Kremlin would probably love to be there for his brother but due to circumstances he could not for sure and then devoted you kind of take out that hold press conference that is that moment you know me and all that i if if we thought this was just a business card are in a fancy office and maybe a raise you know okay. I mean george mcphee still in charge but like this clearly early meant a lot to killing the criminal in a lot to george mcphee like this is not just a title change. This was not just a move to keep him here in what i'd like. This was a big deal to kelly macrame to george mcphee to the organization like you know whether we want to kind of look at it in terms of you know. How does it change things not much but to them. It clearly meant something that that was the biggest takeaway from <unk> for me about that. They continue to work together because in all likelihood the hood <hes> mcdermott was going to go somewhere and i mean i fully believe he was going to seattle. I i absolutely think they would have hired him and they're working. Relationship would have been over so while. I don't think it changes anything day to day in a you know who's making the decisions type of level. I think it certainly means that what they have built continues. I think the other side of two is thursday. <hes> you know kinda. Put your money where your mouth is in terms of if we want to make sacrifices his players and you know we talk about a team team in an organization you know kind of everybody pulling on the same rope in those types of cliches like this is clearly george mcphee stepping aside a little bit conceding some of the power to keep you know the organization in the in the structure together in obviously i'm sure the players it's not lost on them. I guess in the summer that when they get asked to do these types of things and they see it from upper management from ownership and whatever obviously it filters down <hes> i think it just one of those other i guess tone setters for an organization <hes> you know things that as as the team is growing rowing in in revolving two to three years in you know you wanna establish those types of things in in early on they had a chance to do it. Obviously george mcphee. I loved loved the bill foley quote about the <hes> kelly's jammed georgia's in charge but we're all together however it was or you know like to me that was that was kind of the in a nutshell everything but that's how that's how kelly wants to work. You know i was trying to ask them. Why why does this appeal to you. You had a chance to re. He clearly had a chance to run seattle. I mean they would've from all indications in everything that was kind of out there in n._h._l. Grapevine whatever you wanna call it. They would have approved this summer. You know him as the g._m. Had everything gone well in an interview. If if that's the route that he wanted to take so you know run your own organization versus you know stick with guys like mark stone and ryan reason ican and cody glass coming mm-hmm and through in kind of his his core a little bit you know we talked about having divided it up. Fifteen fifteen you know took the league in each of them kind of work collaboratively in in that way in you know kelli kelli macron's had a lot of influence in terms of his guys and in guys that as they were making those lists and and things like that for the expansion draft who who he wanted and and you know it was kind of painting to me got a bit of attachment you know maybe we'll find <unk> out next week when he comes in and talks to guys for <hes> for a little bit you know that that'll be interesting in in fine but dave preview on our next podcast that you smart <hes> so yeah to me. The organizational structure stays largely the same <hes> color coming becomes more of the face the the guy other teams deal with directly and the guy that you know selfishly for us that we probably deal with a lot more <hes> which i expect him to be more kind of open and george vi he has dropped in the past. He doesn't really say anything will see if he kind of you know has system on on recriminating what he does or mccrum kind of becomes his own personality and has his own way of dealing with things but <hes> bend you like the move for the mets overall. Yes i think what dave said is really crucial. This is a tone tone center and this is what i think smart organizations you know not just in sports but in business whatever you wanna call it do they find ways to get creative to keep keep people that have helped make them successful and in sports you know often. We see that there's kind of this natural progression. If you're rising person a front office you go jump trump to leave your other organization but here you've got an owner who has said multiple times were not gonna spend just to cap we will spend as much as we can to help make the organization successful also continuing to invest in this team and saying you know i'm not just going to invest in ranks and players. I'm invested people and if you do good work. I will try to find a way to reward you. No matter what obviously the extra cost to hayes wall it is and so i found that very interesting i mean it's been pretty obvious. This partnership is worked for three years. I mean this is even though the nights had a disappointing finish to the air. This is about as good of iran as you. You could have imagined for this team in his first two years and i think it's important not to lose sight of that. When discussing this these are two guys that just met in vienna the airport which is a crazy specific origin story <hes> that they both came up with during this press conference but they met in airport decided it. Hey let's try this out together and it's kind of worked better than i think anyone could have imagined i mean they seem to complement each other like how bill foley at a season ending press conference call them mister inside mr outside because criminal is the more outgoing fold one mcphee is the more inward we're thinking calculating one and that kind of shared yin and yang since we're working really well for the nights and actually like what mcraven had to say about their dynamic namic and how they approach things and we'll take a listen to that now well the thing that's special about our organization. Our relationship really really is just the collaboration and you'll we started. We had <hes> thirty teams that we need to learn. Those organizations is asians inside out. We have stop that we needed to hire and from day one from day. One we meet every decision together and when we <hes> out the free agency meetings we have our meetings at the trade deadline are pro staff. Who <hes> who has a mentioned earlier are here today. <hes> george will make a call. He'll come come back. We'll discuss it as a group. I'll make a call. We'll come back discuss it as a group is completely transparent collaborative full trust <hes> in our whole staff. I really believe breath that that brings you good decisions so day-to-day <hes> you're going to have three days of meetings this week with the pros five five days next week in the amateurs. I suspect those meetings look pretty close to what they looked like prior so that's <hes> that's where that probably <hes> so. This all sounds good. I think it's all you know all of it. Makes sense makes sense. They want to work together. Make sense how well they've done on how successful they banned that fully wants to keep things in tact but i am cynical by nature davis as you guys know <hes>. I'm going to throw this one out here. How much of this is yeah. We did everything right in the expansion draft and in the in building a franchise starting things off. We are not letting seattle get that information. Mation <unk> not just information about the actual people probably right. I mean if you think kelly macrame and goes to g._m. And he's in charge like he's bringing dudes with them. <hes> <unk> or or women are lots of stress. I mean we're talking probably scouts in who knows down a p._r. Staff may be in things like that will literally. He said if i got a chance to run an organization i would run it like here. Meaning the goal the night so you could easily infer that means some of the people too so in terms of all that in terms i mean not to be to a few of praise but i think part of the reason that this has worked so well for the last couple years for the gold nights as has dated unbelievable job in putting front office in scouting and whatever together like i was joking somebody. I remember if it's you or somebody in five <unk>. How good is this two thousand seventeen draft that they put together like every prospect is something like we're talking about lucas elvis and ron berg and like if they're not guys'll get traded or you know it just seems so rare to hit that many guys in a draft cody glass brannstrom suzuki like obviously two of them gone on but they're still like major prospects in you know hague's a second round pick and they i mean they seem to hit on. Everybody will see how the two thousand eighteen joff works out but right you know to your point. I think those are people that probably get poached and are in seattle scouting the same thing for you know for that organization saw so absolutely think that you know keeping the band together as a said that all plays you know plays a part of it for sure so this is news came down <hes> just a couple of days after <hes> what i think a lot of people didn't really know about a happens in sports <hes> without having a team here in vegas josh locker clean out day happens just after a season ends in all major sports where guys come in you know they prepare for the off season. They have their meetings. They get stuff out the locker and <hes> pretty much. Everyone is available to the media so we had that opportunity. Just a couple of days before all this general manager news came out and <hes> was an interesting day but certainly it was a little different in that there wasn't as much talk about the off season and next season as there was kind of looking back and that's not on the players that's people that were asking them questions about it but <hes> everybody was still talking about game seven and the not a major and everything else we did get a little bit of news out of that ben that the goal nights at least some people in the front office at the very top <hes> wanna push for some changes just just the very top basically in bill foley because i asked him you know. Do you wanna see major penalties. Become reviewable play after what happened to you in game seven against the sharks arseny said absolutely and i followed up. Are you going to push for that change personally and he said yes so he's going to try to petition basically the board of governors that this is a rule rule change that needs to happen for the n._h._l. I'll be curious to see how he does or whether the other owners kind of won't give him necessarily the time of day he expects because it's such a very specific issue that has really only affected their team. I think a lot of people don't wanna see replay review. You expanded because already we have all these confusing replay reviews. I mean just the other night in game. Seven against the sharks and avs people are checking the bottom of landis cox gates to see whether he was on the ice or not during a crucial offsides call that happened after review and so it'll be really interesting to see what comes out of it mcphee and drug galant definitely more tentative about it just kind of being we'll see kind of out of our i wonder if they are or if they don't wanna come across his pouting and while i think the <hes> or get fine like that yeah bill foley has none of these okay here also a couple of extra bottles of wine. <hes> tell you that fine no broken. He came straight out and said yeah someone from the league called me apologize to me. He said a high ranking senior executive quote as senior as gets <music> which is pretty close to throwing that person under the bus <hes> and of course then was on his big crusade for replay review so we'll see if it happens but that was certainly a very interesting takeaway of how just heated he still was a couple of days later especially after mcphee had come in and been like you know it's tough but we're gonna take the high road and i took you know his usual speech of. We're gonna take the rear view mirrors off and just go and then of course got billfold unsteady. They're gone yeah not really hyrax not really money funnel which is great <hes>. Dave you expect changes. We made in that department. Do you think the league will start art because foley said he's going to push for it so i envision like the owners meeting and him just everytime subject. It's brought up. You have a guys guys the major penalty not replay review fix like i think he's going to drop it that easily so could changes be making you. Can you picture like everybody like toronto much just like looking at like the kid in the back of the classic the quiet full new guy. What are you doing but i mean i think it was such a visible play it. Would you know obviously it's gonna i <hes> it's gotta come up right. I mean they got at least like talk about it and whatever but at least from some of the other reporters and things like died that kind of reported on this. It doesn't seem like there's a real appetite for more review around the league that that seems to be kind of sense you know is like the suffers the slowing it down and and we'd rather just kinda play through it and figure out a better way to <hes>. You know i honestly don't i. I don't get it any sport. That's my argument in every sport and i think it's always from when i was a little kid like i just wanted to be right. I don't like i've never been sitting at a game except for deadline and that's our issue but as as a fan van or somebody that watches games. I've never sat there like this. Review is taking forever. I'm checking twitter yeah. Hey i think this should be this. Call interrupt. Let me let me. I opted like i'm not saying saying that. I think nothing's going to happen because clearly something could happen. It was it was such a high profile enough thing that that they could clearly look at it and at least say majors. You know we're gonna do this if it was to. We can look out of its five revert. They can figure something out it absolutely could happen <hes> and as much as we're joking joking about it but but i do think just to your point about the the replay and stuff i mean hockey feels like such this like traditional kind of sport in it was something i remember early on talking to max patch ready about something and just kind of getting feel of hockey. Just kinda does it. It's it's way not necessarily like this the old boys network but you know this very traditional kind of feel to it in their certain things you do certain things you don't a lot of unwritten rules etc etc and and at some point the replace stuff just becomes like overkill for some folks. I you know and i don't i'm kind of with you on it like if you have the technology and it's two thousand nineteen get it right. I'm baseball guy. That's for robot umpires for the strike zone like i'm done with. I'm calling balls and strikes i. I don't care about any of that stuff. I know there's people that do angel hernandez on. Yes got enough <hes> but yeah i mean i. I know there's people that care about those things like i don't. I don't i've never <unk>. Mr money. Lump shire's your it's too long for you. You don't want the long replays. There are certain times where <hes> i definitely thought even even at t. Mobile arena this season that these views were taking too long and my biggest issue was replays. I wish there was like a time limit on it because so long we try to say like i said a gabriel lance cog skate you know might have been like a fraction of the in shop the ice nothing if you can't tell on like first or second glance all right it stands we move on. That's the stuff. I don't like my example in baseball. Is i hate the guy who's shirt comes a half inch over over the bag and he gets called out stealing a hate that the offsides thing is also a pet like i hate a guy who's like escaped. Is you know a fraction of an inch you know he drags it up too early or puts it down to early and so called offside that invalidates this whole goal because this person had a fraction of an inch. Will we see a <unk>. It'd be a huge change but in intent to make a change doesn't count as offside type of that. You're talking about the colorado game other night yeah <hes> that was such a weird play so i'll actually another reporter. Actually kinda brought <unk>. A lot of credit for this is because i thought the same thing it's time is like okay if you're gonna call it offsides but if he's not offsides besides like why isn't it too many men on the ice because he's in the play. He's in the play so if he's on the ice and what like if you're saying it's not off sire heaves onside. They should have been penalised two minutes so i mean there's like fifty gazillion different ways like twists this and whatever i guess my point with all this in whatever for is is still appreciate the human element of it and as a writer yes selfish because we get to write about it and it makes the stories but but just there's a human element in on dinkins are missing a call eighty five world series or whatever you know who was the guy who had the perfect game are mondo rondo god. Yes and you know what it just stuff happens. It's sports you know <hes>. There was something <hes> something happened. All all the too many men on the ice cold like forty years ago <hes> boston mantra-like today's the anniversary of it and i think it was a legit like there was like a joke about how the wyan said like well. I wasn't gonna call when they were six or seven among the ice but when it got nine i had a call it but but they're still just that human element of refereeing in whatever ever that just makes sports greats sometimes sometimes it's an error you know sometimes earl hefner or whatever you know in wrestling girls yeah. He's the era he's supposed to miss not. I'm not gonna advocating for instant replay br absolutely go for but you know it's just part of it all the referees of human and sometimes that happens sometimes. Your team gets screwed. Can i see that sure yeah screwed you like but you know that's the beauty of sports is sometimes to me i well. It wasn't too beautiful for cody eakin. I guess i mean that's that's one guy who <hes> has to live with. It and you know i'm sure he understands that it was it was the wrong call and you know there's not much you can do about it if somebody does all the time but <hes> he did have to live with being called for that major penalty that led to the big comeback for sharks ended the golden knights season <hes> he did not talk after the game but he did talk at locker cleanup day so let's hear a little bit of what cody eakin had to say offers. I figured out what happened. I really didn't know got it got. Penalty was actually when they called me out of the box liked distributed realize wasn't penalty eventually all your console the real meyer all the guys were watching it. I watched replayed. It's time to talk so here from cody eakin a couple of days removed from the penalty called against him and it was very difficult thing for him to go through <hes> certainly you can in here the emotion there was plenty of motion what could ican was saying and you have to feel for a guy who went through that but <hes> it is kind of that that was what started the off season it. Was you know they lose the game seven and a couple of days later. They finally talk about it. <hes> coda you can talk about it in that is the official start of the off season for the golden knights and it could be a very impactful offseason decisions to be made a lot of negotiating with the salary cap and it could involve <unk> a guy lakota <unk>. There's contracts that assist to get into but cody can could be a guy that becomes expendable with with his salary can help clear out <hes> some space for the nights in. I think it's it's not something of hey. The golden knights are gonna trade him because he had that penalty. I'm sure some people think that but i i think could ican is a guy that might might have been available anyway. <hes> going into this off season so we'll see how that how that plays out but do you either of you. Guys foresee a major trade being made with one of the players under contract that could help clear out space for the nights. It'll definitely be really interesting on that. Something will have to try to pin you know kelly mccormick potentially down on this is a team that has less than a million cap space projected according to cap fernley dot com now they can exceed the cap by five point two five million wanted. I put david clarkson on long. Term injured reserve. If you don't know the name david clarkson it's because he's been on long term injured reserve each of the past two years and he's been basically a cap filler for the nights when they had to have a salary cap floor their first season as an expansion team but it'll be interesting interesting to see 'cause you've got a lot of guys that you potentially would at least want to consider bringing back or guys like nikita gustav. Jimmy schuldt who you definitely wanna. Bring back but you have to bring back at some cost to you and then of course the big fish that i'm sure we'll be talking about a lot until he is under contract again either way the nights or potentially someone else is william carlson. That's the big decision. They're gonna have to make this off season. How much of a decision is that. I mean he's been very important on the first line for the nights as a center as effective two way player he didn't put up the equates quite the same status as he did last year in his second season with tonight's but certainly a very important player two nights. Do you foresee a circumstance where they don't bring loom carlson back. I mean nothing would surprise me. I'll say that got nothing would surprise me. <hes> do i expect him to be on the team in nba in training camp and all that yes but if you traded at the draft like totally wouldn't shock me if something else happens or like i just think it's such a a weird not so much unique but just i'm stronger strongly for the right word tenuous situation. Maybe that's the right word because if they don't get this done in the summer like you've got all of the next trade deadline rental whatever he's a u._f._a. In twenty twenty and if he has anything close to a good season he catches in huge any probably puts himself out out of the price range of the gold nights at that point in. Why wouldn't you wanna be a u._f._a. If you're william carlson twenty coming off three really good seasons if that's the case so the golden knights have to get this done this summer. Maybe not necessarily long-term. Maybe they can do a deal. You know two three years. Just something by you know some of these u._f._a. Years and until he's thirty or something like that but they had it's huge thing this summer. If he ends up with a one year contract meaning if he doesn't like last summer where he signed a one year deal to avoid arbitration or if he actually actually has to go to an arbitration hearing as the absolute worst case scenario for fully goal nights <unk> yeah i would expect he wanted a long-term deal. I think would be much more comfortable signing. Something long-term avoid a lot of that. Although maybe they want the flexibility as well to to have a guy like that heading into a contract year where hey if he gets the trade deadline and you wanna try to splash or you know. Maybe you want to acquire some more assets for the future. Whatever you wanna do with carlson maybe it does. Suit the team team to you know to have him on shorter. I don't know we'll we'll see how they how they play this out. I think it's a one of it's certainly one of the top story lines lines heading into the off season with the nights and there's there's several of them so <hes> well plenty of time to talk about it as the season progresses will do some more podcast but doc. Let's just hit on some of the other choices that they have coming up and i think one that's really going to be tough for the fancy lodge. I think is derek england <hes> and you you know i know i know you talked to him at locker clean out day just as the season was ended and he wants to be back and he wants to play for the nights. I don't know if that's mutual. It's going to be really interesting to see how this plays out. 'cause yeah as you mentioned. He says he's basically going to plan and train this offseason like he's gonna play for another season in the n._h._l. And specifically he hopes that that season is with the nights and obviously you would understand why because of all the shared history he and this organization hab together as he is one of the first guys. They got the a for an assistant captain. If course had that incredible speech eagled night's home opener that is going to be reprinted talked talked about for years and years not just straight up decades and decades in this town but he's thirty seven years old. He'll be thirty eight at at the end of next season and his five on five numbers. If you look at some of the analytics were really not good this year. I don't even think you have to look at the analytics. You watch the games james gunn until that too yeah. It's 'cause obviously part of it is he was on the second pair with shea theodore or on the first pair with nate schmidt commit for the entirety of the year so those are you know a top four role where you're getting a lot of high end guys from the opposing team that you're gonna go against and then that makes it interesting because his five on five numbers not great but he is still the team's most relied upon penalty killer he played over three minutes shorthanded per game which is the most of any nights player so he is a key part of that penalty killing unit and so do they have another guy who you can just step into that role to replace england and then but then you have to weigh. Is it worth potentially bringing him back as basically just like your penalty killing guy. Can you have a guy in your six defense that you play. That's basically just there to kill penalties. It's it's an interesting conundrum in a debate that the golden knights are gonna have to have not just because obviously all that i laid out of him as a player but i've got him as the person to consider. He's a guy that's part of your leadership. Circle and of course a guy that is forever ingrained in the history of the city in this franchise yeah. I think if his name was johnny smith in and he just you know played for the team. This year hadn't played last year didn't have the speech. Each didn't have everything you know with the involvement in the community everything else. I don't think this is a conversation. We have guy that's moving on and here you know. Bring it up a young guy and unsown roster spot. I don't think organizations really take that into account but you know the fans. Here are probably not going to be thrilled a lot of them. If if derek england's gone i think ideally for the team eric would say hey. You know what i would love to stay with the team. I want to work in the front office like give me a job upstairs. I'll move up there and you guys can move on with your defense men but i don't know that that's what he wants as you said he wants to play. He wants to wait for the nights if he wants to play might have to be somewhere else. It does become a kind of a tricky situation so they've had you see this just one plane out. I'm not sure to be quite honest. <hes> i think a lot of it is going to depend on what they do. In terms of some of the moves who's that we talked about earlier like with eakin and and maybe some other guys clearing cap space and what have you for the other moves if a guy like colin miller who you know was a healthy scratch for game. One of the shark series had at least a couple of stints in drug lance doghouse during the regular season. News guy makes a lot of money in probably would would draw attention. Yes especially as a right hand shot. <hes> those are always valued in the n._h._l. Right shot defensemen <hes> if he's a guy that moves you know maybe it's. It's something that there's only one or two guys in chicago that say okay. They're ready. Maybe derek england beats somebody out in training camp on it. You know i could see it <hes> <hes> but i think a lot of it is just gonna depend on some of the other moves i <hes> and then maybe they're able to come back to derrick you know and say okay. You know no if you sign for you know x amount of money and one year whatever like you know we're gonna roll but i do think it's going to depend on some other things so it's hard to predict. It's <hes> you know. I would take fifty fifty. I guess if he comes back as we said we have we have a whole off-season to talk about a lot a lot of these moves but a let's go quickly on two of the other guys that are potentially available n._p._r. Eduard belmar and ryan carpenter. We're not sure what their <hes> off-season status will be. Obviously karner said he wants to play for the knights again but he obviously is <hes> <hes> you know going to figure out what the best fit is for him and what the team wants to do with him and a belmar another very interesting situation as a guy who's starting up there in the thirties yeah now. It'll be interesting to see what he can do for himself. I think we've talked a lot about we really respect elmar because he knows what he is and that's self awareness as a player is really interesting to me is said multiple times. I'm a fourth line center. I'm out defend kill penalties. If i score really it's bonus and he's not looking score and so that's interesting and so these are the kind of luxuries stories a fourth line center who knows role those kind of luxuries that are hard to keep around one. You've got guys making a ton of money like mark. Stone is about to make nine and unhappy billion dollars next year marc andre fleury max patrick. You're gonna start making seven million dollars a year next year. So those are the guys the fourth line centers are the guys as they get squeezed out when you're in a cab crunch like that so those are going to be tough decisions for them to make do let belmar walk. Maybe bring back a carpenter because it'll will probably be cheaper to fill that fourth line. Central gaunt loves yes. He definitely loves him until he got those decisions to make just quickly. You've got restricted. Free agent decisions ends to on tomasz nossa malcolm souvenir backup goaltender and as i mentioned earlier you know jimmy schuldt the 'cause frazier from saint cloud state you brought in an akita yussef the russian winger you brought in who they obviously like but he didn't play during the playoffs so you're still kind of figuring out what you have there but he scored today day in the world championships by russia so i can spend that on thurgau. Hopefully we'll get a like a russia canada. Yeah we'll get there. Nikita gustav watch watch gone or something <hes> wrap things up here as we said plenty to talk about in the off season but a dave which of those kind of under the radar decisions are watching closely. I mean i think they're all tied together but i think just kind of the carpenter and then i'll even throw because i think they're all related all through all this into is eric howlett and ican and and who ends up is like the third line center. I can't see co two can play as a fourth line center especially not for a three point three point eight five million dollar salary. <hes> it just seems too expensive for a fourth line center and i don't think that's his role either. If we're really gonna break break it down but i i just think you know that third. I'm not fourth line. Center is going to be really interesting how they how they do it. <hes> you know how it all shakes out in long term just really interested to see gustav of where he fits in how much he can produce. I mean is he gonna be. You know just a tear guy or is he gonna be you. There are <unk> because if he's anything close to you know a sixty five to seventy point guy like a chain you know if the jackpot jackpot still thinking should have played in probably game five but <hes> that's something that we can continue to analyze <hes> as we go through this offseason offseason again. We'll be with you throughout the off season hopefully criminals who said <hes> joining us to break down his philosophies and what his new role is as general manager with promotion of thank you guys for listening. Make sure you share like subscribe comment all of those things. Let us know how you're liking. It and share with your friends will be here throughout the offseason. We'll get far more indepth into some of the free agent decisions and potential roster moves as we move through the off-season the drafts coming up in just a little over a month and <hes> development camp. All those things will be with you for all of it. Fourteen shane been dotes. I'm adam again golden edge podcast check it out wherever you barn podcast and we'll talk to you guys again very very soon.

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"Powerful stories of to Las Vegas officers who responded to the scene of the one October shooting on the Las Vegas Strip you can find it wherever you're listening to this podcast right now just search hey golden age listeners I wanNA take thirty seconds to introduce you to a new podcast from the journal called critical condition accounts from one October it's a five part series during the what is a pod the golden edge presented by STN's sports mobile from station casinos a beautiful Wednesday Hump Day morning after the Golden Knights lost five two to the Nashville predators last night Dave how you doin' tired conference I think and those teams seem to have a lot of mutual respect for each other coming in and I'm sure the nights were a little wowed by how good the predators looked last night the Boston bruins last week I'm writing about the Nashville predators this week if you want to know how Good Center Matt Duchenne is at Guitar got you that's the kind of journalism the Wednesday and it worked out well Dave that were coming to this one right after a pretty pretty big game I would say between the nights and the predators that's two of the better teams in the western I would say I was surprised at the nights didn't seem to be as up for that game is maybe the predators were in think Jonathan March so maybe even said you know flurries enforced but I you know a lot of that was a Predator I felt like the nights kind of almost realized halfway through that game whoa we can't obviously the predators two time defending central division champions went to the final three years ago I mean they're good up top their skilled and then there deep to we saw their third see way down the line but you WanNa Kinda see how you stock up you know early on and I think they threw some punches early literally by has what am I going to do in December man I'm Geez why pick it up some of those December trips for you so you can look forward to that while I'm looking forward to this weekend we've got a lot going on that's why I want you to check back to review journal Dot Com as often as you can for all our content we got good features every day we've got national stuff going on I wrote about I was impressed the way that the predators responded more so than the night tonight game especially the second period before Salat of those mistakes obviously one of them was fans welcome back to the Review Journal's Golden Edge podcast I am Ben Goats Rj Golden Knights beat writers along here with the Dave Shane we are recording on you know afterward you know you can't always get for every game and yeah it's true but like you said that was a an early test that was a game against a team that you know maybe kind of go toe to toe with these guys are really skilled we have to maybe play a different game I I felt like they maybe got away from what would have been their best game plan in actually early in periods was concerning just the fact that it seemed like it took them five seven minutes to remember Oh yeah we're playing a hockey game right now game in China you know slow down a little bit and not try to go with the predators and maybe that backfired a little bit on them I don't know yeah it was really interesting to see that play out only get at the RJ and before we get started we want to remind you that Goldman's podcast is presented by SDN sports mobile from station casinos we try to bring you this podcast every our fourth line score yesterday against the nights so certainly no shame if the nights are GONNA lose to a team to losing to that team but didn't gather way they lost in the way they looked at some people come to town probably get some Margaritas by the pool there yeah yeah I'm excited to toggle night's though I mean they're not the only one at least okay be quite honest yeah but I think you're touching on kind of the theme of the season so far which is like sharks high lose to the Bruins and the coyotes low maybe what we've seen you know seven games in here is just a little bit of that inconsistency you know there's been a little bit of that Jacqueline Hyde with this team so far of you know we've seen some here's took advantage basically each time to build leads or regain leads and that's kind of the recipe to higher end up losing a hockey game five do I think that's to the predators low so right now that's the you know the inconsistency that's the up and down that is a team you know you want to try to find a little more of that he's game was just a roof stinker you know so we double header against the flames the Kings to division rival Good doing look good doing it hi- drop in I got a trip coming up to you actually have to go on the road about to be like Chile time it's not like mid October and I'm already really do it against the sharks I thought they were pretty good in the first period against Nashville and then it just seemed like national kind of you know I thought they just responded to that fight it gets back which could be potentially as soon as about a week from now but we haven't really gotten an update yet so we're not sure about that but that is something I kind of want to seeing the same symptoms as it were of having him out Alex Tuck of course hasn't played a game yet I think miss them in certain spots especially on the power play not great team it seems like and that was Kinda true last year and it seems to be true again this year he brought the puck movement that speed you know all the I'm one of their units and so I think that's what you get when you're banged up like the Golden Knights are early in the season but it is going to be something they're gonNa have to continue to fight through before a steady kind of you know uptake instead of I guess what you're describing is it's almost like a like a heart monitor do you know up down kind of all over the place skating has been as the question mark for him the entire way through and so putting him with your kind of oldest and slowest skater on the back end kind of besides him is just John with you Dave like the highs and lows of the early season and not just the games but the kind of people that are causing it so I just touched on it but one of the lights I think yeah which is not unexpected because of course everyone listening knows they're missing niche meet again I'm just got injured in the first game last year without him they were eight eleven and one and I think we're also a little bit hesitant I don't feel like he's making decisions you know at the at the speed I guess offensive and you know why it's harder to play that I mean that's something that we've heard for I remember for years and years and years thou- always a position that when you drafted mature to have the experience reading the game seeing plays just you know knowing how to react right now just for me Nick Hey just field nick hake I don't think Derek England is a good pairing for him and then what you put them with Nick Holden right now there's nobody that you can put Nikei with me take needs a mobile defenseman with him that that's the natural you know kind of dynamic that really mobile guy stay at home Guy Nick for me for the night so far is niche mint is basically your Jenga piece again when you take Nate Schmidt out of Your Blue Line the Golden Knights are good but but I do feel like there's just been a little bit of those rookie kind of issues that seemed to have popped up and I don't know necessarily that you need Schmidt all of a sudden and on the ice and and have stood behind him with the skating and all that sort of stuff you know right now I just feel like he's he's a rookie getting adapted and I think some of those things are were behind the net there's just the puck battle or something like that it's not a I don't I kind of echo jargon I don't feel like he's played terribly needs to be that stay at home guy and right now he's skating Derek England who's kind of that stay at home guy right you put holden with them because he's the only other right hand or right shots you know instantly solves that and you know we'll see a really good player I I've always championed that I I'm always been a Nick Fan Asian breakdowns to which happened with kind of a younger guy but it's not clicking right now one of the things Dr Glenn was about you know kind of last couple days is about you know rookies with the quickness that he needs to do that I've just seen too much hesitation with the puck or in coverage kind of like what you're describing you know with England it just doesn't seem to be working just seems they're losing quite a few puck battles behind the net and then they can't cover for each other and I'm sure part of that community haven't played Jake Bischoff he's now to believe like nineteen healthy scratches without making his day show debut which Bischoff family how many plane tickets have you NHL at the end of the year but more than anything that means you can't give them those opportunities you can't just give them gifts like Marc Andre Fleury wrapped up with the bow showing up in games right now yes so it'll be interesting to see what they kind of do with that pairing if anything moving forward they've got jake bischoff around they surly the answer but he seems to need either theodore or Schmidt kind of as his partner Nikkei I mean the accident in elements that they kind of don't have right now it's a missing piece like you said really other other than Shea Theodore is kind of the one real other mobile I guess up 'cause I brought this up with some other people is my issue right now is without Nate Schmidt the ramifications are I don't think they have a pairing for we've seen the Games they've been successful they've been able to you know explain teams with their speed a lot of times I come from the breakout just being able to get out lines in the NHL they just work harder or you know whatever they work most teams that's really what it comes down to. I thought Boston yesterday Filip Forsberg as maybe a nod to like Hey George mcphee May of Tradegy once upon a time but you know here's a way for you to make them look silly you purchased and then unpurchased it's it's rough but another thing that's also offer the Golden Knights right now I think is there puck management which is seems to come and real Merrill's a pretty mobile guy but doesn't doesn't really play that way so so kind of as you're you're describing it in in in almost filtered down I'm going to bring something that's what happened if for time last night against the predators I thought that's what happened they got our work down low even the flurry goal to some extent in both things can be true but I think if you're the nights you kind of want a more steady approach to them and then just that third line has kind of been I don't know will there are some nights like we talked about this earlier after they swept the sharks like I thought the Golden Knights were super sharpen their decision making they weren't making mistakes and they were getting when the sharks made mistakes and I thought that was key for them on the Golden Knights are playing well I mean that's one thing they do really well they don't beat themselves and then against the brewers the I'm sorry not right shot but right side defensemen I that's not a good pairing either Nikei was with Schmidt early on and I don't know that that's nuts label you would feel like okay these are Nhl guys you know these are guys that are not going to continually you know make these types of mistakes so if you eliminate that you probably feel pretty good a little bit about this the their first line Boston's first lying it so much pub and yes it's high end talent to three and four not really like the most talented ends and you could argue against the predators they one hundred percent beat themselves oath the Bruins and the predators are really good I think they should probably both be top five teams there's just there's there's elements of early season there you know you're always think you're playing hard until you realize you're not and you know sometimes there's a little bit of that smoothly and then build up to the neutral zone and things like that you know I thought predators did a pretty good job you know taking that away Watson obviously you know it took longer for them to develop goaltenders to in in a like he's but defenseman rallies the ones that I it just takes longer for them in a lot of cases to physically I know after that Arizona game they were out early working on breakouts and Michel Don Scoff and Ryan Craig were not really giving encouragement let's just say there was a lot more yelling and and instruction have been lows I just need right there for the listeners wondering what that audio cap was a little a little behind the scenes action there so you know about where you're at if if you're the coaching staff yeah one last question Mark I think that has emerged from the nights early season here and then we'll get some positives is the body in hindsight maybe that was not necessarily working on something as opposed to being told to get your rear ends out there and you know of sorts all year it seems like plus you've been thank you appreciate it I think you kinda hit on it goes back to the inconsistency oh yesterday the fourth line gets scored on twice two games before against the Calgary flames the fourth line was the offensive Juggernaut that powered the nights one more time yeah one more time I think I go back to Schmidt a little bit actually on this and and just some of the issues and breaking the puck out of the zone you know mm six three nights I think it's just been at adventure through seven games five on five and what I mean by that is just like the rest of the team there have been highs and you know a twelve great minutes from from fourth line that's why they're the fourth line most nights you're going to get you know you're going to get good better at this because they got Hamden a lot against Arizona you're going to get that a little bit with a fourth line though right I mean that's what a fourth line is you know you're not always going to get like trying to kind of control things I don't think that was really doing much for you and it was kind of putting one of your best players in a position where he's not going to contribute much is getting out work that's Philip Force for getting you know basically into that spot and then beating everyone to the net right right so even even the little things like that you're GonNa get somewhere in between I guess what you got last night in in what you gotTa Calgary that's kind of what you're hoping for you know even at all out over the course of the season you bring up a good you know you learn some lessons you feel like you know you're playing while you take some things the things like what you're what we're talking about the turnovers for the most part of correct surly dangerous and Valentine's e is an agitator at times agitator yesterday against the predators but I don't think he's looked nearly as good forehand going like it it homes but he just never gets into a spot where you can get it off so is not really obviously a selke guidance goals I haven't seen him really get to the net and get flections maybe somebody can show me like stats and things that he's getting a lot of tips because I haven't seen it on nights out you know you're playing well okay we're at a level we need to be out now and then the predators come in and show you know there's another you know not you gotta go to okay that that happens early in the season so I would echo a lot of that without getting too much into the negative because I feel like we've hit on that pretty good for the last you know he the one thing I will say so as I see Pash him all shift to some of the positives here yeah because like if he's a guy that you're trying to get the puck too it doesn't seem to get into positions where he can get shots off he doesn't really get to the net hard and get guard to do at right wing I mean cody eakin between those guys is kind of trying and he's got some decent shots off but I don't think they've looked as he did in the preseason when he was four checking hard trying to win puck battles and right now it just seems like he's losing or not engaging as much as he needs to I mean he's going to corners going behind the net and trying to work to get something going for that line which I think you have to give them credit for and yeah we can so you know if he's trouble in his own and you wonder about him moving his feet and in backcheck and things like that I'm not sure where he fits with with all this plans like right now cody glasshouse to be on seemed in this lineup even if he's just floating around third line trying to figure out how to play wing because he's and five on five because he just adds so much to the man advantage behalf five on five I still think cody glasses figuring out what he needs sorry card you know the there were some points last night you could maybe pick out Ryan Riess on one of those goals in Nocco kind of covering up the front of the net off is played the last handful of games and essentially the more and more I see him the more and more I wonder just where he's going to score his goals from a really good job of taking that away just because I think Boston's four check is so good stewards are really good and not to veer off too much jargon and talked glass I mean is the kind of one missing piece that they've been lacking on the power play for like two years like a creative playmaker some that you can get the only thing resembling a creative force on that line right now and he's working hard I think that's what you can give them credit for two he's obviously not the biggest guy because he's twenty years old and still rookie but in full of minutes and this is a team that's four and three and not playing poorly so I don't WanNa get too negative my I have some issues with with the way Zeke on critical condition accounts from one October or visit review-journal dot com back slash podcast for more information now on golden edge unit which has so much kind of creative ability between him Mark Stone Paul stazzone Max Patch Ready Eighth Theodore just been deadly so far to start the season I mean the nights are seven for twenty four right now through seven games on the power play they were twenty fifth in the league last year but it looks like that kind of those seem to be really good in that same spot that cody glasses and right now what how would actually do though how would kind of be down there and then kind of talk we saw it last night where he basically at the goal line receives a pass is a quick one right to mark stone stone one times at power play goal from the nights and addition into one of the big positives for the night so far which is their power play I mean he is just been such a weapon for them passing wise out there we'll touch on this a little bit but their power play has looked outstanding with him and so you totally get why okay back getting to be in the lineup even though he's out of position at right wing and a lot of cases it's actually like a forward who kind of does end they've always lacked that that first year Marsha was pretty good and then their second unit how team like I don't care if he's out of position because right now he gives you way more than what Z. coughs giving you and he's not gripping a stick the way the brain imperious I don't think they've found the right mix all year. They started with Paul stazzone Brandon Period Valentine's Z. Cough and even though you got pulse Taza and so obviously they flip that once cody eakin got healthy now it's ican blasting Zeke off and you need cody glass and they're still I think just 'cause will lisa is telling me and then I know he had a pretty good shot from the slot last night on a rush you know I mean he's got a hard shot like when he gets out that snapshot and Brandon Period Skating is an actual the fourth line you know practice right now which tells me he's nowhere near any you know jar glance a point about the third line they'll all kinda throats you just what your thoughts are there because I know I I definitely got some opinions on the third line goes all this call the first unit right now with glass and stone and Patty and says looks that they're gonNa take that number a little bit higher this year he's the talk to and kind of run things through usually that's like a defenseman in a lot of ways you're not quote unquote quarterback of the power play but as one or two people actually emailed me hey people are listening I think you guys I'll take back a lot of what I said about cody glass cody glass needs to be kind of take one stride off and then be there for like a quick one time or things like that what cody glass likes to do on that goal line and so I actually talked about this a little bit in shoot talk t U C K Alex we would try to top the puck in or or he kinda you know nine kind of net front spot it's way better for him because he's a creator and we saw that last night all even go back to to the just in terms of I don't WanNa see there were cheating it but you could see guys were were almost trying to create a chance instead of just ice the puck in Dan and he can basically quarterbacks all these options he can do what he did last night find mark stone he can go back to the point he can heart around you know all most an identical goal or patty was in that bumper role kind of in the in the middle of the ice boom one timer so we've kind of seen structurally that's an option and watch out so you know Kudos to them for for at least early on in the season you know finding guys to step up into those roles takeover for guys like Bill Maher and carpenter one in the NHL entering last night's game and then gave up one power play goal and I believe five tries to the national predators so not a horrible night but obviously for the coming into the season how are they going to penalty kill without Belmar Without Ryan Carpenter you know you have to kind of figure out some new guys in we the way it gets its name and Patrice Bergeron kind of made this famous as you know a lot of that time the puck will go into the middle and you can kind of bump it out to those realty killers fresh they haven't lived up to that right now but their penalty kill has been good enough where they haven't been hurt by probably taking too many penalties in the early going and I would say that was a question Mark Structure The Los Angeles game they scored a very similar goal and it was Jonathan marches so that was on the goal line in the exact same spot he hit patch ready for Zeno six step up we've we've talked about how dangerous Riley Smith and William Carlson Arna penalty kill I thought there was even one or two plays last night where for like two years basically yeah their power play has been outstanding through seven games there penalty kill has to their penalty killers twenty-six for twenty eight it was number one almost cost him it it created a turnover at least once that that I can remember but it's because they're so dangerous because everybody knows hey this is a threat this is part of our game this has it's Mojo back to use an Austin powers term they said that they're playing faster it's certainly appears that way on the ice everything's open for him in that spot at the very start of the year they had him in the middle of the of the three across so that's called the bumper that's the bumper spots Lee standards that they've set for themselves not best night but that's been key to is you know they haven't let some of these penalties and they probably take into any penalties through seven games Carlson's got seven assists through seven games he is on pace for the fantastic stat line of zero goals in eighty two assists this season Riley Smith get them down on the scoreboard Riley Smith mentioned that last night of like we'd like to take only you know maximum like three penalties per game just because that keeps our on you you know in the middle of the ice and it's happening fast and you're not used to knowing or your options are he struggled with a little bit and they put him on a half while they put them down on that goal options will cody lassos and real good you have to be basically Patrice Bergeron to be really good at that bumper spot it's hard for a twenty year old when everything's kind of converging anytime you know Carlson is scored you know these guys are like in slumps you know everybody's kind of come out of the gate clicking which is what you want them that's where they're trying to go with the puck that's where they're trying to score goals I think cody lasts presence especially on that first unit opens up everything that they I mean they've been waiting for this mark stone because mark obviously wasn't with the team for most of last season but now he is with the team and he's one of their top penalty killers so far something that the Knights present you know is on the penalty kill especially when those two are out there you better watch out right because the Russians to create a short handed chance on you I mean he's another huge early positive that will get to you know second but you mentioned Carlson Riley Smith and another thing we need to dive into it just feels like that first line the the modern game that's what that's what it is there more of that finesse they don't have that real physical you know traditional kind of Banger is gonNA give opponents fits like they did in year one day of and they're also playing against a lot of opposing top lines and holding their own again to I mean I would say they've is tied for the team lead with five goals he's also got an assistant Marsha salt has four points I believe through seven games I mean they just look like kind of a dangerous line that the season his time on ice is actually a second among forwards next to Kogen they're playing him a lot they're playing in a lot in all situations it seems like they're kind of going at warp speed you know even not just straight line even when they're kind of curving we've kind of heard this I mean they're in a lot of ways actual whoo there skating you know twenty miles an hour or whatever it might be it's they're thinking fast the reacting they're creating place quickly you know the passes are coming in physical thing they do it with speed when they're going they're going you know when they're going well it's because they're playing fast and like you said there it's not just the I've played with some goals that are really athletic but aren't that smart and I played with some goalies that are really smart but just don't have the athleticism to make some board and and look at you know top six versus top six I thought we saw really good top six last night for Nashville but you know the nights are supposed to stack up and you don't want anybody Kinda wondering anything I guess we're GONNA wonder if Carlson's ever gonNA score how like how great with zero eighty two like I wonder what you good lifestyle and they were he was sliding across the crease because he was reading the play he saw it basically developing as a as a happening and was ahead of it wall pin it in there you know do some little tricky little things you know you see back in like nineteen ninety-six and stuff it's different it's not that kind of no that were keep pedalling killers that that obviously left in free agency yeah I mean and obviously the big change their to their penalty kill units and this kind of started at the end of last year is off their sticks because they're seeing the options right away it's kind of a sign of you know when when guys playing well all sorts of things are actually flip this a little bit in transition definitely given the nights a former top six which is what what we expect to Kinda coming into the season you break down everything and you put teams on the win that type of stuff is happening with forwards without first line that would like we've seen when that type of stuff is happening with a goalie that's when you know you know they're enjoying their hockey they're they're playing Shen it's when a goalie is playing well look at you yeah Segue play you can just see how locked in they are sdn sports the only sports betting APP you need the season sign up today and get a new sign up bonus up to fifty dollars that was probably earmarked for Sudan which now you think you know I I don't know if the Dansk you know at the right now I get it from the nights perspective of like hey we don't have another great option and he's just giving us I mean phenomenal play each night right now oh carry a and finish check and put you through through the glass right he's kind of does it with a really good stick in kind of creativity and you know kick some pucks the speed that we saw the first year we've seen it a you know more this year than we did last year at least early on yeah just don't mean speeding transition guests with with two scoring type guys you know Riley Smith is kind of that F. One not for checker but he does it in a little more of Vanessa you know he's not going to come in give him some rest obviously juggling kind of had his little speech about you know he thought practices were harder than games which I don't necessarily agree with would I he's obviously got no contract worry about or whatever but she mentioned like going into a a salary arbitration or something like that like how do you how do you are you like not from Blue Line of Blue Line I mean even in the offense zone like they're forechecking fast they're circling superman and I think it's hard for opposing teams to kind of catch up with them the things going you probably just have to give it to flurry and hope you can you know get sue back and kind of maybe make up for for some of the workload here coming up I some of these chances that are either on the rush or on the power play where he reads where the Puck is going and it's GonNa go side any has the lateral agility oh yeah flurry just look styled in right now is nine twenty two save percentage to start the year on Impulse Tasni gave me a great quote after the Kings game in la where he just said obviously they gave him you know the day off from practice or they I mean they all have the day off practice on Monday before the national game so even coming off the the kings he made a number of really good saves there especially one on Forsberg way split across the crease them thinking of last night against the predators he's played the to get himself over to the other side of the crease to then make that save and we've seen that multiple times in the last couple of games where he made to really great first period saves act back like it wasn't like he practiced kind of figure he's still pretty fresh I mean and the other thing is I know he wants to play right well he said when he's locked in when he sees in all seven of their game so far and so obviously workload questions they're gonNA come up relatively quickly here Malcolm Sudan's injuring kind of lingers but when he's he's locked in these playing well you gotta keep putting him out there which I'm sure they didn't necessarily want to do I'm sure they games penciled in you you look at you know I think he was kinda standing up for for his guy in defending the workload a little bit with with flurry by we'll see I mean right now he seems fresh insist that HFC's since joining the Vegas Golden Knights which is like thirty regular season games at this point do fights some people just can't handle vegas your but now I mean he's taken offense at least in the early goings it seems to kind of another level as you pointed out to me recently Dave shooting more he racked Roman Yosi destroyed yeah that was a good shot is so all right I'm Gonna I'm GonNa say this because I'm the guy that senators on Thursday I mean stone is started with ten points in seven games he's obviously a really good two-way forward he was a selke finalist last and another huge huge positive for them of course have been marked stone we're going to talk about because of course the nice next game is against his former team the Ottawa basically wanted to ban the ride that Arizona game I would imagine they would probably look at Chicago game coming up which is the second game of back to back also on the road tale agent his agent wondering that commission but but yet but clearly I think the biggest thing like you've touched on is when they've gone when you've been playing well and they've gone good it's the speed this year so far he's taking three shots game which is well above his career average and I mean drunk called him a star yesterday and the way they are sorry Mark Andrea for you gave up five goals last night and yes he gave away the you know the fourth goal but he if you go back and look he meet some phenomenal say was actually like I really the player that their brain is making or is telling them to do and he's flower for a reason he can do both and you just see that with Marc Andre Fleury were question whether he was going to be like a ninety point type guy for nine point five million and right now he's a ninety point guy for for nine point five Saturday night in your home rink you hop on a really short flight right afterward and then you have all day to kind of relax because that's another night game against the kings so that's you know the guy that's the missing piece the the one offensive guy that that is elite he'd live up to that right now I mean I think the biggest thing is just we talked about I'm fried I need a little break right and that back to back that he played against the flames and the kings honestly not that hard of a back to back you play all that sort of stuff I mean he's carrying them right now I if everything that everybody said that he could be for this team the face of the franchise the guy that's GonNa lead them he won the won was Chicago little tougher more travel involved so we'll see what ends up happening there but overall Marc Andre Fleury real positive for the nights again Adam Hill for his first fight in in a nice uniform Dingo so well last night he which I should point out mark stone before coming to the Vegas Golden Knights one fight finding a way to contribute basically every night whether it's you know with we've talked about his power play goals he's pastorally well I mean in the first game against us even look the scheduled to foreign in November but I know there are some breaks at the end of October where where it kind of thins out a little bit maybe they can you know Jose sharks she had a great keep in that setup cody glasses first. NHL Gold his stick which everyone compliments around the league. I mean Matt Duchenne inconsistency with this team has a negative he's been remarkably consistent so far this year he's been held without a point in one game and that's it other than that he's rolling around in a in a lot of regard we saw in the playoffs that fist pump after the goals that you know that became I don't WanNa see famous but that that became own is the MVP and the heart in an all that quite yet I like were seven games in here by it some point if it continues this way he's the puck well and he's playing while

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Nic Hague / Last day of Vegas Golden Knights development camp

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Nic Hague / Last day of Vegas Golden Knights development camp

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Sports mobile from station casinos so check that out golden edge as we said out here's the national arena dave shane with me and we're going to be joining a few minutes by nick haig defenseman for the knights who may very well be in the mix mix being the plans for the golden knights here as they go into training camp as part of the roster potentially dave so much to get into but the colin miller deal is what we're talking about right now because it just happened we just heard from george mcphee as we sit here on saturday afternoon that deal certainly a cap related move certainly certainly a guy who seemed to fall out of favour of it down the stretch but not very interesting. The george mcphee said part of this deal was certainly helping out with the salary cap but also to say it. Hey we've got a lot of really young talented defenders and we've got a clear some spots for them. Yeah i mean that's kind of what you do. You know you're in a in a cap situation like there. In you need to get some entry entry level contracts on the books we kind of talked about this the other day and you're able to get rookies and production for you know for inexpensive contracts. That's you know that's the way to get it done so i mean part of it's going to be improving it. You know obviously a guy like nick. Hey a guy like whether it's white cloud. <hes> don't hoglund hoglund. Maybe jimmy <unk> when he signed clearly. You know it's going to be a good competition. In training camp will kind of see if there's another move another tweak or something and and what opens up in terms of like you know right side left side in in if they're actually kind of position specific in and if a guy house to kind of feel that you know just as an example you know if it comes down to a right defense you know an it's nikei versus say a right hand guy like like dylan <unk> zach white cloud. You know i don't know what that decision comes down to but clearly to be a competition clearly all those guys are gonna be in the mix and in clearly george mcphee and in killing the criminal and his staff. You'll like you know they have players at this point here n._h._l. Ready and you got to open the door form. Yeah no question about it and by the away not only does it or n._h._l. Already has thought might be n._h._l. Not ready anymore like maybe <unk> derek england who it sounds like the nights are are pretty close to deciding to bring him back. If you listen to george mcveigh's yeah i mean he pretty much without saying. They're ringing amac you pretty much. They're bringing them back. He said i mean at this point. The only thing that really kind of working on his performance bonus stuff <hes> last year he was a one point five million cap it and i believe he made another one million in performance bonus. So you know probably something similar. I guess what would happen. In the next couple of days. You would think free agency would start on monday <hes> so so you know if he's back that would give them six and then you know without point. You're thinking okay. There's at least one spot on the blue line for one of the rookies and then if they go thirteen forwards ords a defenseman. Maybe you're looking at two mckie's. If if you know coming out of training camp that that's you know what they feel is best for them so a lot of talk about about the defensemen will get into their cala trade as well as we continue but as we said we are going to be able to you know sit down and have a conversation with one of the prospects on the blue line and maybe one of the top prospects on the blue line nikei guy who was drafted a couple years go. He's in his third develop camp on the verge of making the roster was part of that chicago. Wolves runs the h. l. finals and <hes> he's going to sit down with us right now. So oh hang on okay. I've heard your name like three different ways and i've seen her before we go anywhere. We're gonna interrupt the interview. Say your first name and say your last awesome. And what are we gonna call you from now on <hes> neck egg nick. Hey it's like you're like. I screwed up some sticks. You're saying hey to someone yeah and then with like jacob g. u. H. okay okay because i've heard hag. We it's not nicholas like my mom. Calls me necklaces my name my mom causing the all the guys communist you prefer nickel yeah. Most people call me necker. Guys are on the room com hager because we've got many. We've got some name controversies. That's right now that we have to. We have to sort out i think so. There's a new player coming in. It's also nick but it's it's while a roy in. We're having trouble with this one because here's the thing on this you could. Maybe use this as a m owed on the road against them. There's video of him saying. I'm nick roy now. He has contacted us and said it's what he said roy himself so. I don't know what's going on with that. It's insane around here. I have no idea what transition take his french so. I think it'd be law right. I would think so too but in then that's what he wants to be called now but he said roy on a video. How can you get your own name wrong. You've never got your name wrong. Have you. The hope not since we veered completely off the rocks and we're talking about nicholas law you play against him in the colliery finals yet. What stood not what maybe. What kind of player can we expect to see. Come cheney it was it was awesome. News no big guy no good skaters newsreel stuff to play against. You're going to the corner with them now. You have to work for every inch really what i noticed. Who's who's great on face offs. It seemed like whenever author no they'd be starting with pocket <hes> hard guy gordon. Adam scored three goals in the finals. He was a guy that definitely played played in their top two lines and now he's a real good player so you you had that long season and just finish by in your backyard development camp but how much did that experience of going through the playoffs. It's not the stanley cup playoffs but it's a playoff series. It's a couple of series. It's run to the finals. How big is that for you. The other teammates as you develop into n._h._l. Players i. I think we learned tom. We had so much fun. <hes> a great group of guys in there and i feel like you're going through that run though some that i've never experienced before. I'm <hes> pretty thankful that i was able to do that in first year and now i feel like there's there's lessons you learn <hes> going on a deep playoff run a you might not necessarily ah get exposed to <hes> without that run so now just no looking back on. I mean we had a great group of guys. <hes> no guys were leader. Samir khan at the grove <unk> i looked to and they <hes> they really helped me out <hes> china and no one like the the ups and downs kind of walk me through what what happens opens a platform like that because obviously never <hes> never experienced and same with the coaches they were awesome. We kind of know went through together. So guys have been there before. Some guys like myself self not and never had so much fun playing hockey than on that on that ron mom so we we just got a press conference with george mcphee the general manager juerg but incoming president of hockey operations. Gotta be clear about that. He was talking about the trader. Colin miller just happened yesterday in one of the things he said hey. We've got a lot of really really talented. Young defenders and we have to make it like there has to be opportunities for them. We want them to play so it's cap space for sure but it's also hey. Here's a here's a roster. I thought we want to lead gymnasts coming up. I mean are you paying attention on that level of like a chameleon straighted. That's good. That's a good spot for me. I mean i come in. I wanna come going to camp. <hes> no no matter what happens with no traits or whatever i want to captain now i think either way i'm gonna have to earn a spot and now i want. I want no proof that i belong and at the end of the day the way the way it works is i'm going to have to take the job from someone else. <hes> nor whether it's trades or whatever happens i'm still going to have to come to camp and play well and play my game and and just proved to know the coaches in the management that that i belong that's ebba earn spot. You're guy who obviously being a second round pick and being a taller guy skating. I think was always kind of the knock on you at least a couple of years. Go maybe touch on your development. There think we've seen a different player in terms of your skating <hes> certainly from from development camp the last couple years in going at this year. I think <hes> was a new those no weakness mine and somebody had to work on <hes> now. I've spent a lot of time. We're skating now now. I know that probably known the most foreign scale through our plan the n._h._l. And now doubts it's always kind of in the back of my head overtime stuff on the ice sawant mature doing the right things. Not you know it's it's been great ever since i was. I was drafted that i get to work with now guys scotch on to really breaks it down for me and <hes> networks with skating coaches and <hes> and <unk> i now it's <hes> i wanna get a point where it's ingrained in the back of my head and every time i step out it might not necessarily be specifically for <hes> the skating part of it but now i've worked on so much. I feel like i'm always kind of thinking about a little bit. Make sure not going back in old habits and i think i think from a long way. We talk a lot to a guy like brayden mcnabb who are guy kinda similar thing you know in terms of the skating. It's always something he's working on clearly. It'll be always something you're continuing to work on. But how close did you feel it. It is right now. I guess you feel like you're out of spot our our. You're comfortable <unk> guys in certain situations. I guess i think so i found myself like any of this year of doc sits on the n._f._l. But i feel i'm coughing my safe. I feel like i could not in the game and be talking about you. Know the roster in going camping everything else. Do you look at your spot like. Are you going to camp saying that's my spot. I'm i'm going to take it. I think you kinda have to <hes> no. I'm competing with a bunch of guys. I saw my buddies we gather all year in chicago. Got said cogs in whitey embellish on these guys. They're my best buds. I hang out with all the time but now we are the fact of matter. Were were all continue to play in the n._h._l. And now it was fun. It's like we're nowhere competitive guys. It's now away from the rank. Now that that that's never gonna win a friendship anything but i know we're all going to go out there and try to do everything that we can individually to <hes>. It's kinda feel weird though i mean it's a weird feeling my teammates were brothers going to battle together every night and on the ice but at the same time i'm going to be that guy to get my job in the joe. It's gonna weird spot. It's <hes> that's just the world we live in. It's always kind of been like that and you go to camps and breath. You're out there playing with guys that are really good buddies of yours and you're all you're all competing for your all competing the plane job and know hopefully today that we in all planned the n._h._l. Together in and that's going to be uh gonna be fun because we've kind of grown up together so this whole thing like i didn't know the before my first development camp that's where i met him and no three years later where he's probably one of my best buddies we roommates assurance chicago <hes> and now we're like it's it's funny. I love hanging out with guys every day. It's it's a nice little competitive edge to battle with each other to to arrives respond bagasse or ice time in chicago or whatever it might be thirty year here development camp and you've been a part of the organization for out of any of the guys at the n._h._l. Level level like kind of like not even hazing outright but like kinda got on your little chirp that you now nothing nothing too crazy. I've gotten to know over over the guys <hes> just throw camps <unk> esau bunch around the rink this weekend <hes> there's no hazing of maybe that starts wendy. How when you make a team but watch offer flirt. I've heard a joke sir but not all guys a great now. Say hi in the room when i see them <unk>. It's just it's so it's so nice. Having <hes> nor the group of guys like are here in the group guys like played within in chicago that not it really it really help out now. Young man just makes life logan easier because you camper drums nervous especially. I capture normally know what to expect him. <hes> <hes> no to have a guy like <hes> the guy that really stuck out for me in my first scientific nap was nature who was noticed. The night sky was on the bench talking to me and helped me through awesome. <unk> only makes transition a lot easier and he's that's just one guy can email me all the guys around not just say hi so this is the third camp that you've been hearing and we've had a chance to interact and one of the things that always struck me and i think golden knights fans and will will realize this about you. More and more is just the way you carry yourself to a little bit different than than a lot of people. I mean that as a compliment obviously <hes> i can see you down down the road. Being a guy may be wearing a wearing see things like that. Is that something that you're kind of aware of carrying yourself the way that you do and just kind of you know commanding a room you just i. There's something that that's a little bit different about you. I guess it's not something i think about her. <hes> try to do that thank you. That's that's a that's supposed highs. Call up but douglas my mom dad my parents brought me up and <hes> no they've been awesome with me and <hes> it was never know about hockey or hauppauge word hockey growing up. It's no big person. My dad taught me how to check a ham properly when i was probably <unk> sex so it's just so they brought me up and <hes> now i'm super thankful for them and they've been they've been great no great role models for me and my mom and dad auden and that's that's occurred to them in your hockey career those leadership you know being a guy in the room and things like that. Is that something. You've always tried to take on certainly. I don't think you know no. You'd you'd walk in here at twenty and and take a room but you know down the road. Is that something as you've grown up on teams and maybe as things progress here that you know if it's a naturally really happens <unk>. I guess gravitate toward. I guess a little bit l. It's not something i i really think about. It happened in junior kind of went in any nor my second year. I got the letter in mississauga and just i've always kinda been always want a ladder growing up. It's just kind of one of those thanks. I don't know what it is. It's not you know. I feel like if you go to your way to try to be that leader use that. You're not going to click with any of the guys now for me. I just i wanna get to know everyone and <hes> we're all here. <unk> with the same goal china gets on each other not that will make friends and nobody's it's gonna be guys that <hes> they're gonna come up organization together. It's a it's a lot of fun on after try to be anyone. Difference never comes in themselves and we'll go from there. Obviously you're looking looking for playing in the n._h._l. In in being a part of this roster at some point in the very near future but what about living in vegas are you looking forward to that. The weather's <unk> insane. It's credible talking my mom yesterday apparently ornery back home so it's a i mean obviously the city's incredible <hes> <hes> i've got to have gotten the city low bit not no since being drafted <hes> it's i mean it doesn't get much better than this the the weather the stuff around here. You're an alanon even talking about the strip just like where we are right now summerlin. It's <hes> no. It's it's it's awesome <unk>. I love. I love spending time here and i could. I'd i love to live here. Man ellen play the nights that that'd be a dream. Come true on a real level being a professional athlete in this city and being a young guy has to it's like the dream of everyone. I'm sure it's a shirts. It'd be a lot of fun. I that i've experienced anything. Angelique <unk> shoulders always doing it's like i said i've really enjoyed my time here on one of the best parts being now no player for the nights to be. They just look at t. mobile. You look at our development camp. Scrimmages are sold out with the you know. The fans show up in just the way. The city really rallied around the team team. That's <hes> as a player. That's that's what gets you going. That's what you that's what you thrive on and not and that that's that's to me is no one of the coolest parts voters so we're rapid development camp here. Is this the first week that you felt short as a high layer no kidding. I've never seen the <unk>. I know i knew mccune before i came here. Is we played together. <hes> he played for sun county panthers while i was planning catching her and we played the alliance. I haven't seen him in a really on time because he <hes> he went off. You played in the u._s. Program and then went to school in plano which also we were planning against each other anymore and seen him a long time and then when i saw his name on the <unk> be nice to sam and he was always a big guy but he never was that much bigger than me and i saw him and i literally look got better which doesn't happen to very often. I was like wow he should move again really just sort of talking about keenan suburbs by the way from the camp. He is a he's. He's a big gentleman is he makes me feel short which that doesn't happen very often but it was great to see him. He's an old friend. I was talking to save here. Kinda know connect them up in talking a little bit hang out with in terms of the ice obviously being a taller defenseman. Maybe what are the advantages for that. You know certainly in terms of reach which in things like that <hes> i think max pitcher eddie in training camp even used the chris pronger think that certainly probably the high end of things but as hard percents water sort of the advantages that you have i think though my my reaches a huge advantage for me in <hes> spill the close gaps bit quicker <hes> you know without in newark on the jolly really my coach. They're really not taught me how to use my stick no properly advantage and now i feel like once i figured figured that out a little bit of it really helped no might defending <hes>. I'll say this no shots down a little bit. Quicker must actually probably sixty four so and we'll get you out of here. Let you enjoy the rest of your day but the rest of the summer. What does it look like for. I'm gonna head home later this afternoon. <hes> probably take a few days hang a home mom and dad and then all of nine going to aurora <unk> robertson lived there for for the rest of the summer amer so spent my time there and it's going to be a quick turnaround will be back in september brixton's low. We'll see you back here for training camp in your luck the rest away enjoy yourself a little bit. Thank you appreciate it nick thanks for s._d._n. Sports the only sports betting app. You need this season. Sign up today and get a new sign up bonus up to fifty dollars so thanks to nick. Hey i sit down with us for a few minutes appreciate that. They've i know you. Are you know you've you've been very high nicotine for while a lot of people have on ice but also breath as we heard there off the icy think he's going to be a valuable asset to the organization yeah he just. There's something different about certain guys when you talk to them just you you know kind of their presence. <hes> charisma you know. I don't know what the right word is with him but it's just different. It's it's unique. It's you know i don't know if it's being a taller guy that he just kind of commands a room and and things he's used to having people kind of focused on <unk> attention. He's just so comfortable in his own skin and i think in his career going foreword. That's you know it's gonna be valuable asset for him. Whether it's something in leadership just you know kind of that own self awareness or his career what you have to work on you know confidence. It's things like that. I it just a personality like that is kind of what you're looking for. It's very even keeled. It doesn't waver lot you know as as he goes on in his career career guys will tend to gravitate toward him and and and just kind of you know he'll he'll set the tone it's it. I just remember you know growing up with people like that and and you just you just gravitate toward him for for whatever reason that that natural magnetism he really does have it. They certainly mature beyond his years. He doesn't doesn't seem like a young kid on his way up more like a established veteran almost present so what in your mind what are what is the outlook look for him as far as making the roster this season so without putting too much on it. I would say it's his job to lose. <hes> i mean you know if we're going to look at this group to to be quite honest i i i would put him at the top <hes> just in terms of his shot. His his reach is is ability to kinda in a shutdown guys because of that size. He just brings so many things in the last year. You know like he talked about that first year pro. It's not somebody coming out of juniors or college seattle whole year. You know playing pro thing with <unk> chicago wolves making calder cup run. He got playoff experience so much coming out of that that that at first year that's gonna benefit him going forward and nothing against the other guys. I just think you know if you're looking at ceiling. I think he has the highest ceiling out of all of them and i would think you know if there's one guy that you would kind of peg you know okay. If there's going to be a seventh guy he's the rookie nikei. At least for me would be the favourite to <hes> to win that job at camp so you go so colleague miller out potentially mckay again looks like as we said earlier derek england in <hes> <hes> in the in the defensive mix for the golden knights going forward as far as front eric <unk> is out so since we've talked last time here on the podcast which was was just tuesday. Eric allah has been traded part of the casualties for the golden knights this off season what what did that trade mean and for this organization besides just helping them get back to the cat. Yeah i mean i think there's all those sorts of implications and you know he was an unrestricted free agent <hes> next year and you can look at it would gonna rental and you know all sorts of things i wouldn't trade the george mcphee talked about but you know i think the ramifications of at least as it currently stands is probably means code. Yagan is your third line signer and it probably means that nikita goose of you know now house a spot. It cleared you're struggling to to see on the third line is gustav ican talk <unk>. How's it all gonna fit. If everybody's you don't have that issue anymore so so at this point if they're able to get something done with nikita gustav ahr which it sounds like you know they're at least talking in. We'll see you know that that's an interesting situation where we can talk about that because terms of goose oven and signing him and maybe whether an offer sheet from another team would come in and what would the nights do. Do you know in a situation like that but at least in the short term i think you know jala being moved means on paper. You're liner's probably nikita goose of cody eakin alex tuck which not the worst third line in the in the league for sure any offensive very right and now i guess the flip side of that would be george matisse talked about if you're not a two hundred foot player if you're getting your defensive zone you know what what use are you so. I mean clearly cody. Eakin is a guy who's been a solid two hundred mm foot center. I don't know that defensive prowess cutic- says the strength. I would imagine it's not <hes> i think certainly alex talk would would you have some some things to continue to work on defensively. Maybe that's that's you know not the construction that jordan phen- jar glenwood like but at least on paper cheaper that that's the way it looks and that's the way you know what this trade kind of opened up for what we talk about the salary cap in their back <hes> you know within within basically being compliant pending the outcome of some of these other deals but it's a it's an interesting spot for gustav who will probably come to the team and asks for a lot more than they can actually afford and then their answer is it's all we got you got. You gotta take so you're you're right. I mean it opens possibility for a team actually eh pulling out the offer sheet out of the out of the attic and doesn't have to call on that and making that happen again or maybe that is something that forces george mcphee has talked in the past about about like it's not a bad thing to have these deadlines that kind of kick in on you and you know for them if if that happened they'd have a deadline of having to make a decision on it. How do you see this plan because i my sense from mcphee as we just heard from him everybody else he's like were closed for close induces like we're talking. It didn't seem that encouraging necessarily yeah. He also said that he you know it's not like urgency with if i'm i'm not hundred hundred percent on this but i'm pretty sure he's arbitration-eligible also in which now that would be an interesting case. What how do you have your harvard that you know i mean what are you give him. There's nothing to go off of so from not standpoint i get. I guess there's there's a fallback if they're able to you know do all those sorts of things. Are i mean you know longterm what i'm really interested in just how good he is you know in if they get them signed. I mean you know they they they went through so many hoops to russia to get him <unk> over here you know with his contract and all those sorts of things goose kind of talked about in the world championships about <unk> showing loyalty to the nights that they were the first team you no to make the offer in that's unders rights and things like that so you know what i'm sure there's good faith negotiating on all sorts of things but you also think it performed so well in the world's. Maybe some other teams are looking at him going a if they're you know cap issued purgatory whatever and they're trying to sign this guy. Maybe maybe maybe there's a chance of to pry him away. We've certainly heard that teams of at least ask. I don't know how interested george mcphee and killing recrimination in them are oren in terms of dealing him rather than signing him but it it definitely seems like it's a different situation than say like like you mentioned england or even like tomas tauch <unk> who giorgis pretty much come out you know right out and said you know we're close. We pretty much know who's coming back. You would think that that he would be one of them so so at least for the next few days and in the next couple of weeks it'll be interesting to see how gustav thing plays out ultimately i would think i'll give them the benefit benefit of the doubt that he would sign with them after everything you know they went through but i do think that an offer sheet is at least a possibility <hes> that'd be kinda interesting to see i i'm kind of i'm kind of curious on how all that is going to play out because i think it's a unique situation that we haven't haven't really seen much have a couple of other situations. Also workout will find out malcolm superman as an as well so <hes> some things to monitor even if the golden knights don't plan on being incredibly active when free agency starts because they really chant july first first first day of the of the period. Not you know well he he kind of made made the comment of we won't be big game hunting. We'll be watching other people fish which was interesting and he kind of made it made it out like hey what you're doing is you're just watching and hoping these teams way overspend for guys and then all of a sudden there and tough cap spots and they've committed way too much money certain guy so <hes> that's kind of where the nights will be as as spectators is hoping for guys away overpay for free agency are coming up in the next couple of weeks but not a whole lot to goal. We're going to be able to do no. I'm just picturing jordan murphy with like one of those hats. I think the fishing lures on it like sitting on the on the shoreline maybe he would wear the whole totally totally them for sure but we don't we also mentioned <hes> we talked a little bit about it with nick egg but <hes> nicholas wa coming coming over from the carolina organization and they're at cal trade. I still feel again. I'll just explain it again. He has informed the golden knights nights in their p._r. Staff that he wants to go by wa announcers on the games. Call him what he himself on a video said his name is nicholas roy oy. I feel like we should go with roy. I i just feel like that should happen. You don't get to go back and forth. It's not allow. I think there's like guys i i mean obviously like fis men's the one like the feast monier but like i've heard like i'm stretching my brain here to try to think of these guys like suddenly just all of a sudden. Oh i after like ten years old. We have been pronouncing your name wrong. There's one that is my favorite player that i talk about all the time and it was a controversy last year. Hard knocks tyrod. Taylor is now supposedly to rod but i feel i feel like it's one parents tyrod and the other says to rot. That's what i believe it is is because they did interviews with his parents and they both said it differently and i think that's where that comes from yeah so we'll have to like kolomna kegs parents or hey experiencing find out like like whatever it will. Hey nicholas trained out. We're good with wa. Roy is going to be the nightmare yeah. I can see that being in an issue i really can do. We have to say because he wants to be one now. He's what i feel like we have to. We have to call him. Say we have to like hold onto this right like like. I'm going to go in that first day and just be like here's the video yeah explain buying this. You know like what do we got here. Let's figure this out man. We'll figure it out this. This will be an ongoing controversy will certainly cover on the golden edge podcast going forward <hes> so diploma campus over <hes>. I guess anything really stand out to you. Watching the last few days of scrimmages some drills here at city national. I'm kind of along the same lines with george. Mcphee is just the depth of talent i mean it's really apparent the especially in the blue line to be quite honest. <hes> there were some guys up front that jumped out. I saw nora five had a had a really good scrimmage <hes> you can you. You can kind of see the hands with him. I think <hes> they claim a criminal draft talked about how when dora five went to combine that athletically he tested way better than the golden knights. You know kind of physical training staff. I don't remember the right word but jameleddine the strength folks and they feel like there's some more potential in him even and i think when they get the skating to match you know that the hands in the in the vision and things like that we saw that they could really have something with him but honestly i mean defensively between core zach a hack <hes> slava <unk>. This was his first of cam. He wasn't at the one last year. <hes> there's just a lot of depth on the blue line. There's a lot of guys corcoran chard. You know we're going to have a lot of options a lot of flavors. I guess as is george mcphee alexa but but but really that that's that's the spot. That really jumped out to me. You know defensively the way that they've dropped the last couple of years. Let's that's encouraging. I would think golden knights fans because the forwards are locked up a lot of them long-term. They've got if if things don't change they've pretty much got a lot of their depths and their talent up front secured the blue line has been a question mark mark for this organization and certainly to have an influx of younger talent would be a very good thing not to mention a cheaper thing because that's going to be very important. Golden is for some of these contracts. They have for the next year so that should be encouraging into golden. Knights fans answer the front office. The the blue line is kind of standing out here at camp so that's pretty much it from here city national rain over the last five days. It's been pretty crazy. Fans ton of energy the scrimmages ges drills everything else that we've seen out here but free agency as we said not expected to be hugely active players but that starts in a couple of days and then it actually is kind of real off-season. Now coming up talked about how there's not. We had the off season somewhat but you know we've been here. You're doing a lot of podcasts in updating on different things that have happened over the last few weeks but after that first week of free agency that really is the true dead period offseason yeah. I was in the same going to set my alarm early on monday for for the start of free agency. Maybe wake up early on tuesday but everybody pretty much does their business. You know within that first couple days as after that window opens a free agency and you know like we've talked about kind of extensively the golden knights roster at this point is is pretty well set. There's not a whole lot you know. They have to go out and get a whole lot of holes to fill. <hes> you know from the outside so i would think it'll be quiet. Kinda see over the next couple of weeks. You know guys like malcolm osu ban you know if they're able to deal done before arbitration and if not you know we'll hear about a a hearing at the end of july maybe early august and and then we got in another month to toll training camp so yeah kick back. I think the <hes> the canadians like to go up to the lake house at this at this point in time so lay aac ow. I need a lake house being out of the city those that's kind of difficult for me george mcphee go fishing at the lake with the lake house w you it can both get your fishing hook hats where those have noticed enjoy the off season but i hope you guys are enjoying the off season as well. We'll be back with you here periodically. I'm golden educated. You you know <hes> any updates that you need to know over the summer but it is really getting into that offseason time <hes> so we'll be with you occasionally and just to let you know check check in with us. 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Golden Knights go camping

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Golden Knights go camping

"What is a pocket vans. This is the golden edge podcast. The podcast for the las vegas review journal once again talks about live hockey because golden knights training camp is underway and. We are so so excited to start discussing it with all of you. Am ben goto. One of your golden knights review journal beat writers. Joining me on the other line is my colleague. Dave shane dave. How excited are you to walk back into a hockey rink. I'm pretty Pretty excited i gotta say. I don't i don't wanna take this and do a you know in a dark place or whatever but i'll last few months of been easy especially for me. I will admit that Definitely hit a couple rough patches along the way so it's nice to have a hockey back like getting back to regular schedule. You know just kinda functioning normally. It's it's starting to feel a little bit normal again. I guess so. That's a good thing. Yeah we are so excited to have hockey back to be able to break down the early training storylines with all of you. Which is what we're going to do on this episode. I i need to ask. Dave another very specific question dave. You had a phenomenal twitter post the other day and you've got your haircut. How are you feeling now that your hair is gone and hockey is back. We'll to quote somebody on that threat. I think i went from mark stone to jonathan marchessault. The ass pretty out of control. I I had it cut in july right before training camp two point. Oh and you know just kind of let it go for a little bit and then said okay. I'm i'm going to let it really role in late. You know until hockey comes back. It's gonna be it's gonna be. We are have it all up there. you know. there's a little patch. That's missing up there. But what i do left grows pretty fast so it was like six months of outrageousness in it was time for a change but i thought everybody have fun. Fun with the picture. I i said this before. The two on on one of the radio shows that. I did though i was surprised. People were giving me a hard time about like only wearing the same outfit. I'm a cartoon or something and only have one certain panzer. He was clearly shot in the car before and then a win in to get the haircut and then shot at after so it's not like i only one pair of You know closer were what was like a zip in an apollo. Yeah i have more than that. This is good. I'm glad we're getting this out there to the public that you can defend yourself this way. I mean i saw you yesterday. I thought you were looking good an hour to talk about how the golden knights look when they're on the ice but before we do that i want to remind everyone. That gold niche podcast is presented by blue wire hustle. Also please check out. All are written work covering camp at review journal dot com and of course if you could rate review subscribe whatever you to podcast. Please do to this one all right. So we've seen to training camp practices so far. The golden knights are trying to whip themselves into shape very quickly because they open the season january fourteenth at-home against the anaheim ducks so far. They've been your overall impressions of watching this team back on the ice again. You think actually some of the crispness has stood out. I mean i haven't seen a lot of like you know fumbled pox and it doesn't feel like there's obvious rustiness. I guess you could say in. Sometimes it's hard to sit up there and say oh they look really good or are they. Don't look good today and in it takes kind of the coach blowing the whistle a lot and stopping the drill or or guys kinda chirp other guys because they screwed something up or you know something like for everybody really but there hasn't been anything like that. Maybe it's because they've been skating. You know kind of capsules practice voluntary stuff for you. The last handful of weeks you leading into this and they didn't come in. Just kinda dry. I guess you could say. But the and again i think maybe to just the urgency of the season is gonna start and there's no exhibition games or anything like that to do so they have the use. These practices to get ready in prepare. These seem to kind of be all business for the most part. Yeah interesting how a lot of guys have described this approach very much like the approach. They had in the summer when they're getting ready for training camp before heading into the bubble for the postseason where you guys got together for quite a bit before the camp officially started as you said working out on their own making sure that they are in shape so they hit the ground running in get off to a fast. Start as much as possible. I mean pizza. Bore has talked about how his approach to this camp. As a coach is very similar to his approach. In the summer. He's kept a lot of kind of the practice plans very similar Because they only got one exhibition game you know before the postseason so you know he kinda gets to work with a similar template here with no exhibition games leading up to the season starting and i think there's a similar sense of urgency as you said because obviously the guys do in the summer that they needed to hit the ground. Hard in the postseason. Because you can't really afford losses in the postseason. And i think guys know like hey we need to get out to a good start this season because a bad start when you know you're only playing fifty six games. All of a sudden is getting mean so much more because every game can accounts a little bit extra this season because you're just playing less of them. Yeah and i think it's your point not necessarily the listeners. Care about this but like the whole thing is looked almost exactly like july. You know right down to you know we all kind of come into the arena error to the rink the same way and we have our little spots that that we watched the practice from after where we go and do zoom. You know the fans at home can watch the stream because they're not allowed to be obviously inside city national arena for you know for the practices so everything kind of during the that was going on during the summer. It feels like it's carried over in that regard and i'm sure there are similarities for the players. I mean we see them. Today there was a little incident with the one group coming onto the ice late. But you know they're all divided into like different small groups in using different locker rooms around city national. Just like they were in the summer. So i in that sense. I think there's probably some continuity for the players where they're not walking into a whole different training camp going. Oh boy what's this going to be. Like what i feel like. They have a lot of carryover from what they did in the summer. And that'll probably help him to be quite honest. I think you know some of the preparation in eat tobar talked about in what you just talked about. You know they gotta get going right away in the same way as the postseason. So they've done things you know right down to the practice than they do. The ice. on the comeback. In the scrimmage so it all has has a very similar feel in you know the golden knights got off to a really good start and we're ready right away felt like they had a competitive advantage. I guess going into the postseason in we'll see if they that same sort of competitive advantage going into the regular season. Yeah definitely a lot of similarities between the two camps. And we're going to break down these specific kind of you're not necessarily position battles but interesting. I guess lineup choices that are being made this camp but before we do that i want to talk about one thing that definitely different this camp and that of course is the presence of alex portraying gelo the golden knights marquee free agent signing this offseason. Obviously former captain of saint louis. Blues stanley cup winner was i believe a fourth in the norris trophy voting last year Just an excellent all around defenseman. So dave now that he's here through two days. How's he looking so far. Good i mean again. It's hard to come to any sort of dramatic conclusions about a guy positive or negative. You know just from a couple of days of practice. And i mean he is who he is you know. We know that it's not like he's all of a sudden a fall off from being a norris trophy guy to a six defensemen or something like that you know pay sixty one point six million dollars over seven years for somebody who's gonna teen so as consummate professional and we hear that you know every time has been interviewed you tell how competitive is in how much winning means to him. You know he's gonna come into camp ready prepared. You know in shape all those sorts of things interesting to just see kind of getting used to the new players You know i know yesterday. You know we're as we're talking. It's tuesday the first day. There was a rush and jake decision. Had the and you could hear your translator. Young fourth fourth fourth which i would assume as code for four th guy in the rush defense when he was trying to get him to drop it in. Jake didn't make the draw passing could see Shake his head a little bit you know. Yeah i it's just you know it's no big deal but it's just some of the chemistry things. He's obviously probably not gonna be skating. Which vision. Let's stop make that real clear. But you know just how he's getting used to tabriz mcnabb. It's interesting to me. We've always her brave mcnabb's do most communicative of the defenseman. Which is always interesting because off the ice. He's one of the most quiet you know. Nate schmidt was always the gregarious loud guy off the ice but on the ice it was brayden mcnabb. Who was the big talker in. I think in getting used to his partnership with without substantial. I think that'll help eight on one of the other things that he mentioned to that i thought was interesting. Was adjustment that brayden mcnabb has to make. He played with a left handed. Defense partner on the right side. You make a pass across dvd or something like that and you wanna put it in into a different spot for left handed defenseman. If you put it into. I guess what would be like the normal spot. You're gonna put him on his back in will where it's translate gonna want the puck and things so you know just little adjustments like that that you don't necessarily i guess get after two days but you know again the they'll get there and it's just interesting to hear them talk about the process in in what they've gone. You know gone through in some of the dialogue that they've had early on the as one of those little subtle things you don't really think about until guy like alex brings it up because yeah brayden mcnabb. Basically two main partners with the nights in his career was obviously nate schmidt for a large part of it and then briefly in the second season. He was paired with shea theodore. Who's a lefty to plays on the right side for a minute there too. So it'll be interesting to see how those kind of continue to progress in bill chemistry through camp as you said it's very early but certainly i think Tragedy has got nothing but positive reviews from his new teammates so far. Now i wanna go through some of the other earlier intriguing early line combinations and defensive pairs that kind of piqued our interest. Normally i think through two days of camp. It's you know not always wise super read into a bunch of this stuff. I mean honestly. In a normal night's camp a lot of these lines are kind of jumbled up where you've got some veteran guys with younger guys to kinda help ease them in a little bit. But i think it's been pretty clear much like it wasn't a summer camp with the way kind of deboer. Has this stuff organized. Where nope these guys are. Probably with people that they legitimately want to see them with because there's not necessarily that time to play around with lines as much as there would be a normal camp because they've got that first game in about nine days so i kind of line combination. That certainly stuck out to me is the chandler. Stevenson is right now. The second lane center. Or i guess theoretically you could say line center depending on how you want to order the top six. But he's inbetween max pacioretty and mark stone. So he's kind of the guy that's been elevated in into the top six. Because paul he got traded to the winnipeg jets this offseason. It's obviously really interesting to me. That stevenson who of course came to the golden knights in a trade last season went from a guy who was kind of you know not necessarily fighting for his job last training camp with the washington capitals but was definitely trying to fight for a kind of a consistent role and now he's in between the basically to most expensive forwards on the golden knights roster. It's worth noting as well. That trio pash ready. Stevenson is stone was ridiculously effective in the regular season. Last year they outscored opponents. Twenty two five when they are on the ice together at five on five so this is a group that you know had some history in chemistry together with all that being said dave. Were you surprised that stevenson ended up getting first crack kind of that top six center job. That was up for grabs. Okay sorry i have to save. My dog is like very interested in your voice. He's he's all burt up and in smiling listening. I'm surprised i guess a little bit at i in in. In retrospect i probably shouldn't have been. We know that. Pete deboer is kind of an analytic sky and we know the analytics on that line number. Maybe it was money or something. I probably should have looked this up before Before we started recording. But i mean they were like top three or arguably the top line at least in terms of course he shot attempt percentage and all that sort of stuff last year so i i think maybe with the benefit of the season in consideration once chandler. Stevenson was resigned. You know you give them a cracking in you. See i think in. We're gonna talk about cody last year. A little bit too. But i also think it it takes some the pressure off kota glass. You're not necessarily putting him in between arguably you know will not argue but you're two leading scores arguably two of your best players in putting the pressure on a young player to kind of keep up in. If it doesn't work out you know potentially you're you're dragging the team down if the top line isn't scoring and all those sorts of things this way he can kind of play his way up into it. But you know again. Kudos chandler stephenson. We heard from mark stone today on tuesday talking about how they played against each other in juniors in and really chiller stevenson just never got the chance in washington to be in the axiom nets office mark stone center to the best centers in the world. And it's not you know you're not going break into that top six at center unless one of those guys gets hurt. It's one of the things that once. Chandler stephenson got here. You got an opportunity in. He seemed to thrive. So this is his chance to kinda you know kinda run with a top six spot. See what he does with it. See what he can produce any it. Gives cody lhasa. Chance to kind of ease in a little bit and he's on a third line in again. We'll talk about split with with nicholas. Walk in and alex talk so it's not like a pit. It's not like he's on some mind that he can't produce in in house offense he's gonna get power-play chances in all that you know sorta stuff so you know pete. Deboer is notorious for juggling is lions in in so if he starts with this and you know we see something different in two weeks. I wouldn't be surprised but you know for now. It does probably make the most sense to see you know chandler Stevenson in the speed that he brings in in just the room that that he opens up for max pacioretty mark stone with his style and skating. Everyone before we get into today's pod i want to tell you about blue wire hustle. A brand new program where you can host your very own podcast here at blue wire. Hustle was created to give everyone the opportunity to take your podcast to the next level. Or if you want to host a podcast and know where to start. Hustle is the perfect place for you. As a part of the program you'll receive personal cover art. 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Join yeah to your earlier point about the analytics behind this line as you said they were the third highest rated line according to money puck dot com in expected goals which is kind of a scoring projection based off shot data so basically per sixty minutes that trio stevenson in stone. We're basically expected to outscore their opponents. Forty two so obviously. What money is saying is that based on how well those guys were playing in the shots that they took when they around the ice together in the shots they allowed when they are on the ice together. If the board left him out for a full game they should win. That game forty two which is obviously really really good. There are only the two lines in hockey that we're better than them. One of them was the minnesota wild kind of a shutdown third line and another one was a hurricanes line. But both those lines also played a little bit less than that patrick stevens stevenson stone line did last year. So it'll be intriguing to see how they do and how kind of far. They're able to push their offense. Because obviously the big question coming into this camp for the nights that i think it will be potentially all year the are they going to get enough production in the middle of the ice without stati. And it'll be interesting to see how stevenson does with the first crack at it and of course we can't really talk about that kind of senator depth without getting to the next guy that you were touching on day cody glass. And the fact that he's starting at third line center between alex talk and nicholas wa You know it was interesting for me to do here. Cody last talk today about how he the first day of camp really was a little bit nervous still because it was his first time scrimmaging on that surgically repaired a right knee obviously spent a lot of his offseason. Since getting that surgery in march rehabbing he spent a lot of time adding weight. He said up to about two zero five two zero seven pounds. Now which is you know about fifteen pounds heavier than he was the last time he took the ice for the gold nights. And i did think you. Watching this scrimmage from lavar today that it was pretty noticeable. How much more comfortable was and how much more. He trusted his legs today in day. Two of camp a did you see the same. Yeah and i think that's probably only natural. I mean we hear about that guy who especially major knee surgeries and things is in the back of your head. You know especially a young guy who's never really gone through a big injury. He obviously had you know his knee injury in juniors but it wasn't nearly as severe in it's a whole different process that he went through but he talked about kind of turning it into a positive in using it as a chance to get bigger stronger. You know improve his skating all those sorts of things. It will come with time. I think you know the more that you play the less you think about it. The less you worry about it you know and then it just becomes natural. I don't it'll be interesting. I guess in a way we always hear you know football guys and things. We assume that cody glass at an acl injury. It's never been confirm that but we always hear kind of takes you know the it's the year after year. Return that you really at full strength and really one hundred percent and and maybe the extra time because glasses on a little bit different. You know timely. Maybe he's closer to that kind of second year of really really really being a hundred percent on it. But i think that's probably physically know not the biggest hurdle you can do the rehab. You can get stronger and all that. It's a mental thing of going into that same situation and just not thinking about not worried about getting hurt and all that once he gets past that you know then then everything's gonna be gravy. But i definitely think you can see the difference between last year and this year. It was one of the questions that i had for him was. Just how much more prepared you know. Does he feel this servers lascaux. Obviously he's bigger stronger faster and all that but you know just just being you know twenty one in going into this you know. Having had his toe in the water getting a feel for it understanding. You know what the nhl game is going to be all about. I think he's in a good spot on that line. I like the you know the opportunities that he's gonna have their. We can talk about that a little bit more but you know for right now i mean i think he can pencil him in is one of the twelve. Put it that way. Yeah and i think as you said it's a good spot because one. He's playing with still some skilled guys. Alex tuck and nicholas while obviously he might not produce like he would if he was one that got the first crack between patch ready in stone. But it's not like he is not playing with guys that can score obviously especially tuck. Everyone knows a you know how deadly he can be when he's healthy and on his game but then also as you said it might take a while to kind of get back to one hundred percent or feel like the player. He was before and so kind of putting him in. You know a little bit more down the lineup. I think gives him an extra shelters. The right word but it doesn't force him to try to comeback alter fassa gives him a little bit more a little bit more rope. It feels like where the pressure's not all gonna be on him right away and he can kind of ease his way back into things in eases way back into the nhl. And i'm sure the golden knights is that those three guys who are all pretty young can kind of learn grow together and maybe the goal for glass. Would it be if you can start out well on the third line maybe you can play your into elevated role. Maybe you're competing with chandler stevenson for a top six job later on in the season. If you can show that you can get back to full health and one hundred percent. Yeah i think that's that's exactly. What certainly if. I'm a decision maker that that's all i'm looking at it. I mean i. You know for the one originally i looked at this and i was like whoa. You would kind of want him with mark stone and patch ready. They're going to elevate his game. He's a playmaker. he can still do things with them. He's not going to drag them down. But to your point. I yeah i totally get it in and i think it's speaks to where the golden knights are in terms of. Let's look at this third line versus say the third line from a couple years ago. I mean you've got. Alex taught the guy who scored twenty goals in you know. Certainly jar gland touted him as a twenty five to thirty goal differential score. I th. i think it's fair to say he can be a consistent. Twenty to twenty five goals score. You've got a guy who is the sixth overall pick in the draft. Then you've got nicholas wall on the other side who's got you know some offensive chops tomb in certainly a big strong physical guy. He can take faceoffs in in certainly as a two hundred foot game. You know how some awareness in that regard. I i mean. It's a big upgrade on paper for the golden knights. Just on their third line from where they've been you know you don't have cody cody. Eakin but you know cody eakin and brandon life sick and ryan carpenter and you know the the cycle of guys that that they've gone through. This is a chance. Yeah for cody glass to play with some guys who were good in skilled in. It's not like you're just putting him out there to put out there so in that sense it's still a good opportunity for him to like. You said maybe play his way up into you know that second line role and then at that point you know. Maybe he's a little more ready for it in the pressure is something that he can handle by. It'll be interesting to see. Just how the balance works out. If if chandler stevenson is a guy who can make plays consistently in the top six against other teams top six forwards. And then the other thing that i think is cool about the cutting last line in in our buddy just over the son and i were talking about city. It's an all right handed line. Talk cody gloss nicholas. What they're all right handed. How often do see an all right hand line. It's kinda cool. No it's definitely unique in probably the first one in golden knights history. So we'll see how those three kind of build their chemistry together. Talk was actually not a practice today. The second day of training camp. But pete deboer said that was just a maintenance day at one other kind of lineup. You know intriguing spot that i wanna talk to you about. Dave is the third and probably fourth pairs that the golden knights are rolling out right now. The top four on defense. I think has kind of played out to what our expectations were which as we mentioned Portraying gelo has just taking taking nate schmidt spot with brayden mcnabb on the second pair. A shea theodore alec. Martinez are still together. They were obviously a really good pair down the stretch in the regular season and then they were very good in the postseason. What has been notable to me. Is that on. What i think would be the kind of beano third pair right now. You still have zach whitecloud. Who's really impressive as a rookie. And then next to him on the left side is a nick who of course played about half the season with the golden knights last year. And then meanwhile nick holden who was paired with zach. Whitecloud down the stretch. Last season has been paired with dylan cog line with what i would view as potentially the fourth pair. So i guess the question. I have for you dave's i guess. What exactly do you make of how they're had a mixing those four guys up. Do you think that they're giving nick haig here. A real shot to essentially win a job out of camp again because even though he didn't play in the opener last year he played in the night second game of the season or is this just one spot where they might actually be kind of doing some camp experimenting a little bit. I don't know yes. Probably i e. I don't know i so on the one hand like i've been trying to figure out the same thing with you like okay. We'll which one is the third pair in which one is the fourth pair. You kind of look at nicole than he was resigned on. Nhl conjugal you figure. He's kind of one of the six and last year. He was with zach. Whitecloud you kinda figure. Psych whitecloud had established himself. And then you show up a training camp on monday in their split up. So i'm not really sure like how to read into it. I'm not sure which is which. And if you're going to look at it and go you know who's getting first crack. Unfortunately like we don't see exhibition. We see scrimmages and they're on different teams. That are kind of like you know. I guess what would be the second pairing on on both on both respective teams. So there's no way to sort of differentiate between the two. But i do think it means are giving khairul shot and i do think if he if he does ready reading wins and job that depending on how they construct a roster and if they do twelve six to in use the taxi squad to kind of have a minimum twenty guys to make sure that their cap compliant and nikei can play the role that you know nick holden did. And if you feel like kagan doc whitecloud which was an h. l. pairing is ready to be nhl. Pairing it. you know. I i i you know. I don't know it seems a little weird that she would go with two rookies as your third pairing and not. How something with with nick Nick holden in there. But i guess maybe maybe what it actually speaks to is not so much where nick haig zappa whereas dealing cognate in how. How much of the impression he made in the bubble and maybe it says he's above both of those guys. Maybe that's maybe he's bumped zach whitecloud outta outta that spot. If we're really going to start looking at things. I it's hard. It's hard to read into it. I i don't know. I mean what is your read on it because i i am a little bit confusing. I have you know today was certainly thinking about. Maybe this says more about dealing coggan than anybody. Yeah so it's fascinating right especially because all those four guys Are very different in a lot of ways. I mean nick. Holden i would say is kind of your definition of a steady veteran is kind of good all around and played very well. I thought down the stretch for the knights last season him. He and whitecloud had really good numbers together. Now obviously they were getting kind of the easier matchups as the third defensive pair. But i mean still they were winning those matchup so kudos to them. Unlike said whitecloud was very good down the stretch. He became basically. They're number one penalty killer in the bubble. Which is why you know. I lean towards that. He's probably on that third pair just because they clearly carved out a role for him and it was a significant role. And i do wonder to your point that he and hague were an ahl pairing before can they become nhl pairing. I do wonder whether that's something that divorce it. Okay i want to look at this in camp. See how these to perform during camp. Because i don't want to find out if they're a legit. Nhl pair in an nhl game. Basically an all the scrimmages. If those two kinda get worked in camp than divorce can say okay cool. We're not ready to have kind of the two youngsters on our blue line. Let's bring the veteran back in holden because we know he can do with whitecloud. We're not super worried about those to get in the reps. Now say that. But i also made the point earlier in this podcast that i think they're kind of not messing around with stuff more than usual because they've gotta go and get ready for january fourteenth. So i don't know i'm probably over thinking. a little. Bit dylan cog in his own kind of unique flavor to borrow a george mcphee phrase in here as well because he's more of an offensive guy whereas white clouds like can be your best penalty. Kill guys coggins going to be a guy that you really want. The puck on his stick on the power play. So yeah i. I feel like i'm not answering your question but i am fascinated by all the dynamics at play here. I do think it's notable that. I mean i think it's clear that haig and coggin stepped into kind of to stay this top eight for sure. I mean pete deboer mentioned that you know when it came down to the stretch last season. In the bubble the knights top eight defense didn't really Include either of those guys. Because they still had john merrill derek england on the roster what those guys are gone one to retirement one to the detroit rings so hagan cognition at worse because it sure looks like hey might be in the top six right now. Our top eight guys for the golden knights and so. I would think if any sort of injuries illnesses happened this year. That those guys for sure are going to be in the mix to get significant time potentially depending on how you know injuries and absences kind of shake out. So i mean i do think that's kind of my take away not entirely answered questions that there certainly seems to be a top eight forming here that includes those two young guys and includes them getting a real shot the other aspect of this that we should talk about is the you know the elephant in the room. I guess for lack of a better word is the night salary. Cap situation here during camp We can all roll out a roster projections but as of right now. The nights are still projected to be over the salary cap if they were to do the kind of twelve six to roster configuration that you described dave which is what would expect because they can put whatever guys. Don't make the opening day roster on the taxi squad potentially if they clear waivers in there certain guys. That would have to clear waivers to do that. And that way that saves them a little bit of cap space and whatever but even if they do that twelve six to as we expect they would still be about a hundred and twenty thousand dollars over. The cap will limit which would obviously be a problem one way that they could theoretically get under that cap threshold. Nb cap compliant would be to waive nick holden and then put nick hegg in that You know top. Six grouping of defense. Because nick makes significant less money on an entry level contract the nicole does on his nhl contract out obviously not be ideal for nick holden who signed his extension. Not that long ago in february with the golden knights he could have been a free agent this past off season but at the trade deadline. He said nope. I don't need to hit the free agent market. I'm going to commit to this team and sign for an extra two years. But if the knights decide to try to pass him through waivers they would get cap relief and so you have to wonder if he is indeed the fourth pair with dylan cognition. Whether that's something. They're seriously considering to try to make sure that they are capped compliant by the start of the regular season he added. I mean i feel like it's an option. I certainly feel like this configuration shows that it's at least an option in consideration. I you know. I don't know i don't i feel like he would get picked up. I feel like we're gonna talk about you know. Would carl dalstrom be able to clear waivers. Probably i don't think anybody's clamoring called dalstrom on their twenty three man roster something like that but with nick holden clear waivers. I mean maybe somebody grabs him as their their six defense. And maybe somebody can As a seventh offense when they have the cap space or something like that even in eighth defense. I don't know. I think it's riskier to try to put him through. If if that's the way they're going to do it they obviously know how all the stuff or they have a plan. It's it's much better than anything he would. I could come up with. I think we can both probably agree on that. But i do think it's. It's probably consideration. And i mean i knew. They spent the whole offseason. They had all this time to considerate in in you know what they show the first day probably does mean something in and i think reading something into it is probably fair again though. I wanna sort of see how it plays out over the week and we can show up tomorrow at practice and nicoli could be back with zach whitecloud and we can like our like do something like they ran before so i think there's a little bit to sort of see how it all plays out a little bit but i think it's worth watching and i do think it's at least something that it appears that they're considering in terms of how to fix salary cap problems. Yeah we'll have to see of course how it all shakes out because they gotta make all these decisions just so so quickly because as we've said numerous times the podcast regular season is already barely more than a week away the next time we we talk to you guys for our weekly episode. We'll basically be previewing. The regular season opener against the anaheim. Ducks hockey is back and hockey is going to be here in terms of games before we know it. So we're so excited. We hope you guys are too thanks so much for listening as a reminder. 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Free agency fallout

Golden Edge - Vegas Golden Knights Hockey

25:32 min | 2 years ago

Free agency fallout

"Golden edge presented by e._s._p._n. Sports mobile from station casinos his other. Everybody thanks for tuning in. It's the off off season but we're still rolling along golden edge podcast lead you to everything you need to know that is going on with vegas. Golden knights and free agency period is is in full gear. Now there are some trades declare some space. The golden knights are still working on some things as well but wanted to give update of what is going on but first of all will remind find you if you are listening as we said we appreciate it but make sure you like subscribe comment share all of those things that you do with podcast wherever you get this from and and also tell your friends let him know hey. We're still still still bringing you information about the golden knights even during the off season <hes> so share that and we know that we see on social media as well. We appreciate that the goal that had podcast is presented by s._d._n. Sports mobile from station casinos. We thank them as well. Let's jump right into ben. Goats and adam hill here with you listened. We are in the off season but it's never the off season and right now. We're not even in the hockey. Were at thomas and mack center where the n._b._a. Summer league is going on on location. -cation says the pro se not the location for hockey but aol location will used to be the location of the las vegas thunder back in the day nice so you know we're we're we're going. We're gonna hold score kicking it old school here on the golden age podcast but banded the off season. It's the summer how you doing bad. I'll put off season in quotes because of course for such a life bar states and everything goes nuts for a while for like forty eight hours. Look greasy will close down to a point where you're like. Okay what's going on. What's going on and there's still things that happen but it just is not chaotic right now. I think that's the worst part of like the chaos of july first a lot better than just the kind of waiting and waiting that we're rian right now sort of a holding pattern with the golden knights of what moves they may or may not make to clear cap space get picked whatever they might wanna do the off season and when they're finding in a recent derek england because that's been kind of dangling over our heads for awhile really seems like it's going to happen but i'm ready for it to happen. Let's let's let's listen. Knock that one off because it's it's kind of easy we knew that right off the top <hes> what we have been told from the golden knights i'd is it's essentially flick which is crazy that they're saying it which means that it's definitely getting done. Earls george mcphee would never say that yeah but this was told to us like two weeks ago and now you're like now. What is the the hold up. What are they waiting for now. I think it's possible they're trying to see what happens with you know some other guys including gustaf organic which we're going to get into and see exactly clearly what they have to give out a contract and what they can do in terms of bonuses and everything else but let's just assume that derek deal is going to get done <hes>. They're going to bring him back on. You know a pretty team friendly contract. I would imagine a and derek england a guy certainly locker room presence of a community presence everything else that he brings <hes> but they are going to bring back into the mix. I don't i don't know if surprised is the right word. <hes> i thought that might have been the end for derek england in the golden knights at the end of last season. I thought it probably was going to be too. It just seemed like with the cap'n crunch that they were gonna. Have that was an easy way way. Declare space especially with all the young guys dab coming up and instead another move that we also kind of saw coming was cleared colin miller in particular space but also to open up a spot on the blue line but they brought back to england. Take another one and so. There's a lot of questions. They're going to need to be asked whenever this becomes official. I mean i kind of assume what's going on is what you kinda hinted at there that they might be trying to structure this deal pretty creatively if <hes> depending on what moves they make to get them under the cap so that might all depend you know what they put in the contract bonuses in terms of other things like that that might depend on what else they do but it's just interesting because you don't know how much he's gonna play next year how much they should want him to play next year. I mean you know he's gonna be thirty. Seven years old eighty two games seems like a big ask for him. Especially with some of the young prospects like you know nick haig jake bishops <unk> shulte you have on your blue line and and those guys need to play at some point and it'll be interesting to see how they approach angolans potential farewell season it. I do think it's an interesting thing to look at you. You know the playing time issue because if you're going to be having some of these younger guys up which it certainly appears they are in george mcphee said he expects at least one of the the <hes> the young defenseman to be on the team i would i would expect maybe to be two or you know the several <hes> guys that are up there. The derek angol would probably be the guy that you would want to have have scratched sitting in the press box on most nights. I mean he's gonna play <hes> you know his role but if he's okay with that role in it seems like he he may be certainly a a presence in the locker room like all those are going to be good and i think he can be helpful without going to be on the ice for the team but if you if you enter the season i think you look at it and say if they're gangland plays seventy plus games. There's probably something probably has gone wrong or just you have a coach. The trust him too much and that's the interesting factor is john. John i think really respects derek england and what he brings this team both on and off the ice. 'cause obviously you know englund. It can't be said enough as a tremendous community leader for the nights to so many great things things off the ice in terms of being a quiet leader to but yet is gonna be able to say hey derek. You're sitting this one out what we got to see what jake bischoff scott tonight. That's the really interesting question in. It's really easy for them to potentially answer this off season when they signed a contract that oh yeah that'll be fine fine but dirksen competitor cirque wants to play dirk wants to play every game. He's available he should want to do that. That's the mentality that i think all pro athletes you know shut in a lot of them do hatter and the same with jargon wants to probably win almost every game that this team plays in if he thinks that derek england gives the team a better chance to win that night is he going to be able to sit even if it would potentially you know hamper the development of bischoff a hag assault. That's the big question ah you certainly don't want to have those guys on the roster just sitting and watching like if that was the case you'd much rather have them be in chicago playing and getting better <hes> than you would have of them you know just watching games and and being on the team but <hes> i think that will be a very interesting storylines monitor as we get closer season and again. We're assuming that the derek england deal is going to be done because they said they wouldn't hint at not. Even hint outright say hey were very close to have some final details to work out towards me if he would not not say that if it wasn't really his style now it would not happen and it does make some sense i mean there is the age considered but he's they're only right shot. I believe right now since they traded colin miller so he helps balance things out a little bit and i mean he is one of their better penalty killers on the blue line can a him and brayden mcnabb and so that is would have been kinda need their if they decided not to re sign up all of a sudden you might have to rely on one of those youngsters to eat up significant penalty ezekiel minutes every night which not it might not be something you want to thrust a young guy into right away. You might want to build him into it. In terms of hey maybe we start hag on our our second penalty kill unit and we build them up throughout the years. The penalty kill important. I like to think it is. I mean it had anything to do with the end of the season or anything right. They were clod some kinks to iron out. You know in terms of special teams with tonight's but we'll see england at least gives them. You know a foundation there that i think wouldn't have quite been there otherwise if you're relying super heavily on mcnabb and probably nate schmidt and then john merrill when he's in the lineup night in a night out on those penalty kill units s._d._n. Sports is the only sports betting app. You need this season sign up today and get a new sign up bonus of up to fifty dollars. We'll talk about derrick <unk> potentially. There's not a whole lot of free agency activity that we knew there wouldn't necessarily be because they didn't really have a whole lot of room to work with under the cap but certainly some departures from the organization and you know we talk about the penalty kill and we talk about you know guys in the locker grumman that sort of thing and peer edward certainly guy jumps to mind that is gone from the golden knights an unexpected this guy we certainly talked in our frequency previews about very likely that he's going to be gone and that that's a loss for this team yeah. He got a nice race. You get one point eight million per year over two years with the colorado avalanche. Who i i think had great offseason by the way it is but for him i mean he's a guy who came to the n._h._l. Late because he was playing professionally in europe for a while so that little race remains huge for him and his family. He's going to a good team and you understand your the nights that you might not wanna. Give a raise to your fourth line center. When you're strapped up against the cap i mean he's probably a luxury that they couldn't afford even though he was very valuable to what this team has done over the past two seasons in terms of the leadership aspect he warn a just like england has a really good penalty killer really strong defensively that fourth line did not get scored on a lot and so he does a lot of little dirty things is that i think help these teams win especially when it's a guy like him that knows his role and knows. It's not my job score fifteen goals this season. It's my job to not get scored on and he is really good at that. Which is why. I think it's a nice signing for the avalanche. Yeah and i think you know you're going to get to a point where to lose the guys and they're gonna. They're gonna be moving on and you have to come to accept that a another guy a similar kind of guy at good dude in locker room people like a forward who who was out of the mix sometimes last year but certainly a was trusted by the coaching staff is ryan carpenter who also moves on from the team team and i don't think it's one of those losses that it's going to be devastating but anytime he lives a guy from locker room it's it's it's an adjustment and it's something to you know to to notice from the team yeah ron carpenter three years three million from the chicago blackhawks. That's a nice actually security for him. That's longer term than i thought he would get so credit to him and his agent for getting that deal from the blackhawks i mean that's the guy where you can't blame. He was picked up on waivers by the knights in their first season so this is a guy who's career was once hanging in the balance so to get three years of of security huge for him and his family and is one of those things where yet you understand it from both sides. He wanted money in a chance to play in the n._h._l. The nights it probably couldn't afford him at that price with how cap strapped. They were certainly one million dollars to a guy who's going to be you know at best you would think not playing every game for you and you know he was a scratch the plants already for this team. You probably need to squeeze a guy like that out but credits a carpenter like i said his agent agent for finding a new home and you know we'll see how he does over there now. Go nights did in addition the guys that we just mentioned <hes> and the smother moves that went went on. We talked about the trades already to try to get them <hes> more cap compliant to try to set up some other things that they were trying to do <hes> eh but there's potential they could still move but you know i thought it was very interesting and very telling <hes> there's reasons for it that will certainly get into that that george george mcphee said at the beginning of free agency don't expect to make any more calculated moves. That's hey that's a huge thing to say. Great question by the guy who asks who was was that person as a tall tall drink water. I heard what were you still. Was that before or after your your wonderful road trip that we've mentioned on the air here to kansas city it was after i was fresh from road trip glow ready to a barge right in on free agency and asks the tough questions yeah so she i did get that answer but that that was that kind of sets up everything else that the nights were going to do is if they want to make a whole lot of the movement and they wanted to make some changes and bring some guys in they would have had to make some more moves or they're going to have to at some point interest- interesting to say that they're not gonna make anymore. Calculated moves yeah that might be semantics from georgia v._m. Even term the holiday deal a good hockey trade which it's not <hes> neither is the colin miller trade. It's not really a good hockey trade. Their cat moves and he can argue that they got value back then that's fine so he might have just been <hes> playing this game with me but we'll see what the end up having to do. They've got about two and a half million dollars of wiggle room right now and they still gotta get short resigned. Malcolm sue battery signed jake bischoff resigned signed <hes> we believe they're close on both bischoff and sue ban bischoff opted not to go to arbitration because it's believed that they're going to be close to band did but it's not expected could actually go to a hearing so see but you have to figure i mean all of those guys are gonna take up a little bit of that two and a half million and if you have england resigned for what should probably be somewhere around like a million dollars you would think that space is going to dry up really really quick real fast the which leads us to the most fascinating discussion that still left at the old nights with all that swirling around the fact that they're couchbase probably gonna be eaten up by these depth signings. What do you do with one key to set you know if people remember the russian winger who they signed to an entry level deal in the spring didn't play in the playoffs at all did practice with the team a couple times. He's eligible for a new deal. He's restricted. Free agent does not get to go to arbitration though but the nights might not be able all to afford him with all these other things they need to do and mcphee's shockingly basically planted the for sale sign by his podium <hes> at that free agency press conference which was crazy. He never does anything of the sort no and i think i think for for two reasons i think first of all there is the reason to the general market but that was already happening behind the scenes. You don't have to talk about that. Publicly in mcphee never talks about anything public in any way. You don't have to do that publicly. You could even like the g._m. Meetings to put it out there like hey goose have for sale <hes> you know taking all offers <hes> and and those things can be done behind the scenes it's but i thought it was more to get it out there publicly to to say to people like either you sign the deal oh that we're looking for or something close to what we're trying to get trying to offer or. It's not going to happen here so i think that was the issue which should be interesting his camp. Don't you say all right cool. The invite us a place that will play us this <hes> the reports mainly seen him out of russia are that he's looking for about four million dollars a year or two years which for guy with his production he was a case l. m._v._p. Last year is very reasonable. I mean if people are membershipy the dealerships the nights star signing from their inaugural season. He got four and a half million dollars over two years. So if you're you're totally with any any rights to say like hey. I know i'm a little bit younger but i'm the caja m._v._p. Grape production the last two seasons so i totally think i'm worth four million dollars dollars year. I think that's a justifiable. Ask i mean maybe the george mcphee thinks. If the floats this trade requests publicly get them to budge a little bit but even if you budget is somewhere in the three three and a half million dollar range you're still going to need to clear cap space in some way if you're the nights to afford him yeah for sure and so you know when you make that announcement that you're not making any more calculated moves and as you said that's semantics because he didn't. He really didn't say the other tools calculated <hes> you're basically saying like we can't can't sign gustaf like if that's if they don't make any more moves. They can't sign him that lines up so i think people probably we need to be prepared for the fact that either he's going or somebody else's going <hes> because it's not going to be this roster with attitude like you just can't do that yeah so it's a really fascinating discussion for the nights. I'm sure mcphee and criminal gone back and forth over this a lot because we gustav is a super skilled winger. I mean had great production in the cage. L. had great production in the world championships in slovakia this year. He did it against other n._h._l. Players in that tournament one of the best players in hockey outside of the n._h._l. Currently but you have to ask question. How quickly is he going to translate to the n._h._l. And what parts of his game do translate obviously really skilled score good shot. How's it gonna hold up defensively. We've talked to him a couple times. Not exactly a huge imposing dude definitely not a guy were you'd. You'd be afraid to go into the corners with in battle so does that mean he wouldn't make sense on their third line right now with tuck and cody eakin in with have to juggle their top six to fit him in those questions. I'm certainly asking right now and then yeah you have to ask what the team would look like if you cleared space space to get goose in many obvious candidates our guys. We've talked about already. Ryan reeves is making about two point seven million dollars. This year probably probably a little bit more than he should be making but they obviously like what he brings to the team. The <unk> keep hearing people talk about him as a potential trade candidate in sure our it would make a lot of sense to say hey. This is a big contract. That's a guy to move <hes> but that also if you think that the contract is way too big than what other teams are going to be like oh yeah we'll pay that country like it does become more difficult to move a guy if using their contract is too much right yep start asking do the nights addict potentially give up more assets just to get rid of. You know a guy like him. Guy like nick holden. Who's making two point two million probably much for what holden gave them last. Darren holden was also a healthy scratch for the final six games of the playoffs so that's certainly a guy you could see them. Moving on <unk> get younger guy in there but is another team gonna a jump at the chance to take on nick holden's contract especially when these other teams would have a ton of leverage on nights to say hey. We don't have to trade for this guy. We know you're under the gun you have to do this. Which is one reason why you're not getting back. Great value you know out of the eric hala and colin miller ordeal. You're getting a lot of potential but those teams knew that the knights were cap strapped in so the nights aren't going to get back the same level of player in an kala in that trade. That's just how it's gonna work. It's kinda thing with gustav two now the the fortunate thing you have with him is that you could get bidding against each other to try to get him but collect teams are gonna look at it and say we'll we'll trade forum but we also know you can't sign it like it's not like you guys are gonna get them so yeah. We'll trade form but we're not gonna give you maybe what he might be worth on the market unless there's some other teams bidding against <hes> what they're doing well we'll talk about not bringing in a whole lot of guys on the free agency market they did they did they did have activities including bringing some guys back. <hes> i wanna get into brennan period i because brennan pirie suddenly the guy who had that unbelievable will strategies is a goal scored is a guy with a lot of potential offensively but i was a bit surprised that they brought him back and i thought when they did <unk> the alarm bells went off of like oh. That's another bad sign for them. Keeping goose that is definitely hedging your bets with gustav. You pay iran perry slightly more than n._h._l. Minimum so you keep him on the roster. He's happy because he hasn't n._h._l. Job n._h._l. Contract but that third-line wing spot is pretty much where most people had pegged goussev for slobs on you kind of pencil in here e into that spot definitely only seems like a hedge with goose. I mean certainly a guy that had his moments last year. Many came up in skorts home any goals right off the bat. I believe it was something crazy like eight in his i eleven or something finished with about seventeen points in thirty one games to not bad but certainly obviously not a difference maker and if if you're the nights he's certainly a guy that you would think you'd want to upgrade on heading into the season because he's a guy that you scratch for most ploughs up until game seven. I thought he played pretty well. Oh yeah and so brennan period back also tomas no sick back in the mix for the golden knights which no guys brings you who brings you a lot not not the headline jumper not the headline grabbing out the spice guide necessarily but <hes> just a gritty tough kind of place yeah he had million million dollars for one year to stay with the gold nights and it feels like they're setting him up to be belmarsh. Replacement on a cheaper deal mean mcphee talked about his versatility at his press conference said he can play either wing spot or center didn't commit to implant center but i would feel pretty good about him. Being in the middle of ryan reeves and william carey a when the season starts that feels like what kind of going with this as he's probably not as good as peer edward bill maher in that center spot but but he can do a lot of the same things in terms of anchor that fourth line beyond the penalty kill and score a little bit when the situation calls for it yes so oh he's back in the mix as shapiro back in the mix and then no as far as the other activity goes just nothing. I'm sure you know going into it would would. He said <hes> they're not going to go big game hunting those a quote from from mcphee <hes> you know that that was certainly the case. We didn't have a lot of money but <hes> a lot of minor things here and there that the nights did not a lot. It's rather a couple of minor little tweaks here and there of a brinson guys inside of some guys and it's not a finished product yet. There's still some work to do. But what did you think was most significant thing that you saw the off season so far of some of the other minor liner things. I think the biggest thing for them was getting william. Carlson resigned to that long term deal that just straightens everything out for them when you're a cap hap- team which they're going to be probably for the next little bit here. Those guys you lose on the margins is kind of the cost of doing business. When you lock up guys like mark stone the max patrick william carlson jonathan marsh so long term edition the younger guys like alex tuck shaef theodore nature. It's kind of in the middle. Oh that age range but still when you do those long term deals that you think are going to give you flexibility in the future. You're gonna hurt a little bit in the short term but you know even we've talked about the guys the night's have lost and how they may be downgraded some positions. This is still a team that when marx donor i've played at a hundred point wink pace for the rest of the regular season so i think it's really easy for a lot of people kind of you know not see the forest for the trees when we get to the free agency period in it's really cool to talk about out teams like colorado in dallas who did a lot to improve their teams but night's work really good team down the stretch last year and of course took a team that went to the western conference final two seven games and were potentially one referee's decision away from advancing to the extra potentially much farther in the playoffs so so are the nights that much better team than when they started the offseason no. Is that ultimately going to matter next season. I'm not sure it's a matter a tremendous amount now. Now we'll see depending on what happens with nikita yourself. You're in the that's still listening to monitor and we'll keep you up to what is going on with goose evan any other potential things there were the trade rumors out there ago about guys like matt max patch ready and if if that happened if they were to move in which they still theoretically could that would create a lot of opportunity zuni to bring in you know to resign goose avenue other things like that so <hes> we'll. We'll monitor what goes on <hes> make sure you follow along. We'd be dot com follow ben esco on twitter. I want want to get a lot more into the road trip because we talked a lot about it on the on the <unk>. Oh i listen. Don't worry <hes> but you know maybe we'll do that. There's plenty of time in the off season remaining and it's it's getting it's going to slow down quite a bit so <hes> but next month and a half not a whole lot going on in the golden. It's world unless something changes in sure. Make sure to bring that to you so review dot com follow at banescu follow david chain l._v. r._j. <hes> follow me at out of hill l._b._j. As well and we will talk talk to you guys again very soon again. Make sure you like subscribe comment. Share all those things just <hes> with the podcast and the podcast is presented by s._t._n. Sports mobile able from station casinos for ben goats out of hill talk to you guys again very soon.

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Top Ten Stories of 2019

ESPN On Ice with Wyshynski and Kaplan Show

32:04 min | 1 year ago

Top Ten Stories of 2019

"From the ice to your ear buds a podcast about hockey featuring things to do with hockey from your friends at Espn it's ESPN ESPN on ice with Shitski. And Kaplan is the podcast. ESPN talks about hockey. ECB NHL Writer. I'm Emily Kaplan National. NHL Reporter. And Greg I just have to give a disclaimer Tori listeners. If you're listening to this list thinking leave it you're gonNA get some gritty content that was twenty eighteen. Yeah among the also twenty eighteen Seattle was twenty eighteen. I was thinking maybe Seattle was that also sports gambling was two thousand. Eighteen is well. I thought that might have been this year but all those deals the NHL. Oh cut with various sports books for two thousand eighteen so those things do not make the cut unfortunately for they are ineligible for this list of the best of twenty nine thousand nine hundred but these ten things aren't and we begin wims weekly. Emily never ten we'll off seemingly every NHL team got a dog this year. Indeed Indeed Greg if we were GONNA do the deep dive history the anthropology of this incredibly important NHL trend. I believe we have to date back to Barklay. He was the the Saint Louis. Blues Dog and the Blues were the first team to get a dog. At least that's what they'll tell you and I don't think it was a coincidence. That they got him around the same time that they were in last place in the NHL. It feels like not necessarily a coincidence. You know maybe our team sucks but hey we've got a really cute good boy that you should root for and gives the reason for the blues. It's kind of crazy that the blues got an official team dog years after David backes laughed. You figure if he was there that that's when it would have happened but it was an adorable doorway pop and honestly I could watch video of sweet boys and girls trying to walk on the ice and had the little scatter scatter feet going. I watch that all day and now every team has one and it's really the best yet who doesn't WanNa Watch Tom Wilson snuggling. Anything am I right but Yeah those dog calendars definitely were the beginning of it and the capitals are one of the most recent teams to get a dog and I will not lie. I've seen on loop that picture or of their dog. Reuniting with Ovechkin after who knows how much time away like on loop sixty four times. It's the stupidest video it's like three seconds. The dog just walking down the hallway. But it's it's pretty great There's other teams dogs too. And you know. Let's just remember that they're doing this for a good purpose. These dogs are being trained being acclimated to being in crazy social. Oh situations and eventually supposed to go out in the world and do great things. The Rangers dog has now working with a kid with autism You know there's other great things. These dogs the being trained for. But I must admit I think Barklay is not going anywhere. I think he's sticking with the blues for the time being. I'm not sure what happened there. But good good for them for keeping active boy around the islanders. Dog Actually just ran for county commissioner. Isn't that crazy and one fantastic the the new arena. Actually actually. The dog wasn't was responsible for the bark lays center. I I feel I believe the epicenter for all. This is the players with puppies calendars. Don't you think that was the first inkling the first the first connection between hockey and pooches whereas as you know watching watching Tom Wilson's snuggle a puppy. Oh not penguins fans I said snuggle a puppy nuts mother when I was talking about. Tom Wilson the clarify. I know you might have heard differently. Never Nine on the top ten stories who sells nineteen the P. W. H P a professional women's hockey players Association This was huge news. Not only because A group of the best most elite women's hockey players in the world combined to create a new organization and combined to create a barnstorming tour of USA versus Canada Games to drum up support and keep those national teams in the Zeitgeist and route to not only the next world championships but also the next Olympics but because they banded together to say we are not playing in the National Women's Hockey League this this year and boy did some of them openly root for the demise of the National Women's Hockey League in the hopes that if the end of the US shell didn't exists that perhaps a w NHL could exist. Twenty nine thousand nine hundred was a tumultuous time for the landscape of Women's hockey it began Edwin the CW Ahl made the surprise decision to fold. And if you'll remember the CWA and whol we're rivals. It was a Canadian League North American an American league rather two leagues across North America. Dispersing the best talent and maybe diluting the product and never into SUMED. Okay once whol folds were finally get all the best players at once but these two hundred players roughly at the time said hey the whol is not what we WANNA play and this is not the Lee that treats US professionally. We cannot make a living wage in this league league. We can't even get things like laces on our skates or ice time. And we're taking buses to games and it's just not cool so they made the decision they said. We're GONNA take one step back to hopefully take one giant leap forward and do better for the game and and better for the next generation and I wonder at the end of the day like what the ramifications are. I think these players have been so shrewd when it comes to playing the PR game and drumming up support report and having public sentiment as the wind in their sails in trying to push the game forward. I don't think they came out looking that great in in this one especially when there are a number of women who just want to play and if they can make money great but just want on a place to play and know that maybe they're not good enough to play in and W NHL. Or whatever. I I feel like on the one hand. Banning together is great and the USA candidate series is great on the other hand they kinda looked a little cruel in some of their comments just regarding the players who decided to remain H. O.. Figured Hey if there's no star power there. If you're not getting the Kennel coins they met a councils souls you're not Succeed but look end up which is still standing. They say they're still growing. It's still a little murky on their finances but they're stroll there and I think in the end of the day what I'd love to see. Is these women to get their league that they want the sustainable league maybe a little bit of a Flasher League or Higher End League and why can't the NWEA shelby the Developmental League for that. Two D. League for them. It's interesting number. Ah Eight on our list of the top stories this year. Labor peace my God the Nhl is going to have Labor peace through at least twenty twenty two as the players and owners both opted not to reopen the collective bargaining agreement early Decided decided to keep it in place they both have the right to do so and the NHL 's a CPA will now run. Its course through two thousand twenty two. This is significant story. One because Labor Peace Gary Bettman are antithetical and you wouldn't expect them to coexist and chew because essentially we now. There's no hard scary deadline for the next couple of years and what you start hearing from the NHL Side of the ledger is the players aren't necessarily compelled to negotiate at this point. Yeah I like to call myself self the forrest Gump of journalism. Wherever I go big things happen I started at Penn State in the Jerry? Sandusky scandal broke. My first internship was in Boston at the Boston Globe. The same summer like Aaron Hernandez The Boston Marathon Tempe. Will you get where I'm going with us so of course when I become a hockey writer in the first time that a labor deal comes on the table The total opposite happens. Nothing happens so I'm just forrest gump here But did not make does allow me the two issues that really the players wanted and are so passionate about our escrow. We've heard that again and again and the Olympics and I believe the players came to the realization as was probably advised by their lawyers the Olympic issue is just not going to be solved in the CBA. It's not just you fighting against the NHL It's you funding into the NHL also to work with the which is a crazy corporation I and the IFC and all these different parties involved and we're just not going to care taking our CBA but the thing is still huge and these are the negotiations that are going on kind of scenes as well as things like the World Cup of Hockey And I think they'll get solved. I think we'll have a little bit. Of A recalculation of the salary cap and the inflators as an all that jazz. But it's not really sexy stuff to talk about and it really is kind of hit the back burner. Yeah it certainly has has So that was number eight number seven. This was something that a lot of us. Didn't think it was going to happen kind of hope that it would. The firing of Mike Babcock by the Toronto Maple leafs Babcock of course in the midst of a long term eight year contract Considered to be one of the best coaches in the world by some seemingly had more power on that team than many of the players in theory had more sway than his young general manager but that theory was proven incorrect. Mike Babcock turfed by the maple leafs in favor of Kyle do besides chosen one sheldon. Keefe are you. Are you still shocked this happened. Or after Joel Glenville gets fired by Chicago. Oh really anything can happen. I'm definitely still surprised Just by the timing however if there's anything of learned about tape beliefs is that there any chills best soap opera. And it's just it's like secession. It's a total power trip and learn. Anything about GM's is that they like to hire their own. Coaches is an truth be told Mike Babcock was not hired by Kyle Dube's and it was just a matter of time before the power play Swung and do business favor where he gets the opportunity to pick his first coach he gets the arbitrary to see it through. So that's kind of where we're at now indeed and obviously we'll be talking talking about That cock in a different context and a little bit but for now we will leave it. As the firing of Mike Babcock Super Genius of the universe at number seven number six the playoff officiating screw ups lead to two significant rules changes in the NHL. Let's take you back to last spring. Do you remember when we had that incident. Cody Eakin Joe. Pavelski situation in the Vegas San Jose game that led to a phantom five. I've been major being called everyone. The sharks scored all of those goals to get back in a game. They were clearly out of and then one in overtime Jabber. The missed hand pass in overtime of the Saturday series against the St Louis Blues. These are all things that happened in two hundred eighteen also happening in two hundred nineteen the NHL decided to dramatically increase the scope video review so officials on ice. I could see these things and fix them if they happened again. All seems Kinda crazy that it all happened this year but indeed it did. Yeah the thing. That was most notable for me. Liz just how quickly the NHL reacted something that we're not used to saying about the NHL but there was public sentiment. There was growing concerns with the players and the coaches and they were being vocal about it and the NHL reverse course like and put a fix on it in a swift and appropriate manner shocking. And I'll never forget Gary Bettman having a press conference where he said that he was. What was it grinding? His teeth watching it and so upset he wanted to punch his TV screen or something along those lines. And I'm like is this emotion from Gary Bettman thanked us. Yeah it was all pretty shocking. Talking it was it was but yeah I I have no problem with the NHL trying to get it right. You know I'm a fan fan of expanded replay within reason and I feel like in this case allowing you know the on ice officials to see if they missed a hand pass a critical juncture in overtime of the playoff off game. That's a good thing. So that's what it led to as usual catastrophe leads to change in the National Hockey League number five emily. It was the year of the a ten to the Dan. The Dan restricted free agent frenzy. The as he saw all kinds of star players vide Mika Rant and NBA Mitch Martyr Day. brayden point so on and so forth enter into somewhat sometimes contentious negotiations with their teams martyrs case like World War three and and then we also saw something. We rarely see in the National Hockey League and attempted Poaching Sebastian Aho signed. Let's remember you did signed Senate an offer sheet with the much Canadians that His owner Tom Dondon immediately. Said y'all know you're not getting them right and and Quickly matched the offer sheet for Sebastian. Aho Crazy summer really. I mean the kind of thing that you and I've been waiting for for a long time to happen some a Contract wacky and at least an offer sheet attended by the Canadians. Yeah honestly the biggest. Everyone was saying this is going to be the year of the offers she does the final rally there's just so many RFA's and so many balls in the air and and so many talented players that are up for grabs. It's going to happen and really the only only disappointment with the offer sheet was that it was so anticlimactic and to this day I contend that Mark Berge van was just doing a favor for the rest of the saying. We don't know about this Tom Dunn Guy. We don't know we operate it's all just see what he's about. Let's see if we can steal one Sebastian. Aho and soap went under him but The Carolina hurricanes are like now. We appreciate that you you set the price for us. You made this easy. Doesn't have to hold out and ended it pretty quickly so it was anticlimactic in that sense but fun while it lasted and fun for that. Bit of drama between the a two storied franchises in Montreal. End Rally And more offer sheets please. Even if they don't work just do them they're fun and maybe like if you do ten of them like that will be one time where you actually get the situation where the team can't afford the contract. which is I think we're implant ten times? They might win nine. We're GONNA give can offer sheets. They might take one might take one right number four on our countdown of top stories thousand. Nineteen it's the coaching reckoning. This was one that hit very late. Obviously we're talking in particular about the bill bill. Bill Peter. Situation and Calgary where Chemo Lou accused Peter's of using racial slurs towards him while they were both in the American Hockey League story that was corroborated by two of a lose teammates and then later on Peter's was accused of Kicking and punching players while he was head coach with Carolina Hurricanes story that was corroborated by none other than his assistant coach. Now head coach of their gains Rod Brindamour as as a result Peter's tendered his resignation with the flames and was replaced by assistant coach. Jeff Ward. That was one domino that fell than we had had the Mike Babcock situation where his mental abuse of players was brought to the forefront particular. Johan Franson Star player for the Red Wings. When Babcock was the coach saying that he had a nervous breakdown on the bench and he was afraid to go to the arena while playing for the red wings because of the abuse he took from Babcock and the other thing? Of course the infamous list that Babcock had michener create with the leaves in which he was to rank as a rookie rank his teammates as far as their effort on the ice elicited babcock then shared with the players that were on the bottom of that list situation that required him to apologize when the matter I was brought to leafs management. Finally there was the Mark Crawford situation where Crawford was suspended. Well okay Put on administrative. I believe let's call it by the Chicago Blackhawks for a few weeks as they looked into situations where he had kicked and choked players in in the past and used a homophobic slur towards a former player. Patrick Sullivan This resulted in a pretty remarkable moment later in the investigation nation when the Blackhawks announced that he would be returning in early. January and Crawford penned a letter on the Blackhawks website talking about in what he used to do as a coach and talking about the therapy. He's been for the last nine years to try to become a different and better person person so all this stuff happening all at the same time. It was a chaotic time. There was also unrelated to these matters. The Jim Montgomery a Firing Dallas that happened at the same time and and so crazy. Sweeping changes in the coaching ranks. Emily conversation for a lot of us about hockey culture. And what's most interesting to me. It's a conversation that hockey players may be weren't totally totally ready to have a lot of these allegations specifically the most damning ones didn't come out in a very direct way. They were third hand accounts for for example. The Johan Franson one just came out because Chris Chelsea Barstool Sportsmanship podcast. You ones like the ones against Mark Crawford Bird which had been previously you know mentioned off hand and not in the right context for example Brent. SOPA walked back thing. I actually said this one's a joke. I didn't didn't mean to throw him under the bus Mitch Martyr. One was obviously reported on by the Toronto Media. So all of this is to say players aren't exactly comfortable coming out forward but I do you think that this spurred a lot of introspective thinking where people are saying okay was the way I'm treated totally right. Do I have a voice. Can I take agency in this and I do think going forward. GM's are going to be a lot. More careful in their hiring of coaches in coaches are going to be a lot more careful and their tactics run players knowing that there watch Indeed number three on our list of the biggest stories of twenty nineteen. This is kind of a combination the nation of two things. Yeah the Columbus blue jackets going all in acquiring Matt you Shane Acquiring Ryan those ingle. Aw doing all this. Knowing that are tiny Pinera and Sergei Broschi were Gonzo in the center as free agents. They did this. They made the playoffs and subsequently kick the Tampa Bay lightning right in the teeth sweeping one of the single single greatest regular season teams the NHL has ever seen out of the playoffs in four games. Tampa Columbus all all in Tampa all out the number three story. But you thousand Nineteen Greg. If I remember correctly you were there for game for the deciding game four correct I was there for games three and four in Columbus. What I WANNA know if you could? which locker room did he go? And what's your lasting memory of what the scene was like. I definitely went to the lightning locker room. Because they'll pop champagne with Bob and bread for as a proud native of the Great State of New Jersey. I understand the language of misery and like the wallow in it so the lightning lightening room like listen. I've covered stamkos before and seen him devastated. So this wasn't really that revelatory for me but seeing like Nikita Kucherov for example and and seeing how he reacted to it and knowing that Ah that suspension that he had in the series was was a big moment as well and just seeing people that were just shell shocked and the guy will always I remember as John Cooper the coach who had to kind of make heads or tails of this thing. And anyone. Who's WHO's talked to Cooper Cooper talk knows that he's a very very analytical guy and introspective guy and thinks big picture about some things and you know to hear a coach p like like we were too good to be able to handle adversity which is essentially what you're saying when you're saying that we didn't play any important Norton Hockey for the last two months? You're basically saying that we were so good that we didn't know what to do when when when it got bad is one of the more opneing statements. I think I've heard from a coach and doing this job. But it's probably true when you compare it to a team like Columbus that scratched and clawed just to make the playoffs versus the Tampa Bay lightning sin fat and happy on a yacht for two months. I'd say the oral history. The inevitable oral history from this playoff series will be incredible incredible just because of the ramifications. I mean we're already seeing it. We kind of knew what was going to happen to the Columbus Blue Jackets. Once they let all of those players walk they did put in a pretty nice attempt attempt to keep Matthew Shane around. But they're in bad shape right now. They're not a good hockey team and they're devoid of a lot of talent. A lot of draft picks for what You know they wanted to do last year and maybe it was all worth it for that playoff win but maybe it wasn't. Meanwhile the lightning just haven't recovered and you know they're tracking right now as a team team. That might miss the playoffs if they don't get it together and that's Leschi hasn't quite been himself. Kucherov hasn't quite been himself since and I almost wonder if they're going to be one of the biggest. What what if In hockey history of look at all this talent that was a mass on one team. What if they were able to realize it and win multiple Stanley Cups? But why couldn't they uh-huh never to story of two thousand nineteen ready for it. A couple stories laughing touchdown. It's the firing of Donald Cherry by Rogers Sports Net. This was something that happened in November. Remember Don Cherry. Canada's most polarizing flamboyant and opinionated hockey commentator was fired for calling immigrants you people in a television rant in which he said that new immigrants are not honoring the country's fallen soldiers wearing the poppy. This is the Straw that broke the cherries back. There have been a number of other situations through the years in which Don Cherry toed the line in this situation. Business caught up with him Like we talked about on the podcast at the time. Rogers sports that have been courting a very diverse audience the demographics the graphics of Toronto had dramatically changed through the years as far as sports consumption. Look at the crowds that gathered in the public squares. Here's to watch the raptors and look at the crowds gathered in the public squares to watch the leaves and you knew that there are audiences that Rogers had to reach that they weren't reaching currently and having the face of hockey coverage on their network refer to those potential customers as you people bad eh for business out goes Don Cherry much chagrin of a lot of people in Canada who then all subscribe to you. Don Cherry's podcast. After he left the airwaves yeah put it simply. He was an institution and it is shocking to see an institution Asian crumpled that quickly I think it's fair to say this is not the most offensive thing he has said on air he has said far more offensive things but just the timing iming of it. And the way was received at that time ultimately lead to his demise. And I don't find it to be coincidental that just a few weeks later. We have the situation with the the chemo. Luke coming forward against Bill Peters the racist language Hughes against him which was a decade earlier and US having that conversation at all comes uh-huh under this umbrella about inclusiveness and hockey and we know that hockey has a diversity problem but are those in hockey and those with platforms. Doing their best took break those barriers and truth is not everybody is so that was a conversation that I think was important and did progress with forward But it did lead to this very shocking moment which leads lands at number two on our list. Indeed that means there's only one left. What could I can't believe? It's not the dogs but not the dogs It's not World Juniors Oh Yeah it's Battino won the Stanley Cup that. Oh that's the Saint Louis. Blues winning their first couple of franchise sister is number. One story of the year could be a lot of things but honestly like let's got a happy note right. Well I mean not happy if you're like blackhawks fan but happy for like a blues fan or human not to see the blackhawks are human. I'm just saying that is a story that anyways. The Blues won the Cup and it not only was a moment where this franchise that had suffered through so many disappointments through the years. broke through and finally hoisted the championship. Much like The Washington capitals that one year previous but we had some amazing stories. We had Charles Gland blend the the anthem singer with multiple sclerosis. who was in his last run and as long as the blues kept winning he would keep singing and that we had the layla? Leila Anderson's story The little girl with the very rare disease who served as an inspiration blues players throughout the playoff run and ended became a celebrity in her own right through the process So many great stories so many amazing moments and on top of it all. Emily only a team. That in this calendar year was in last place and roared back on the strength of great coaching from Greg. Craig Ruby Eh Greg goaltending from Jordan Bennington an MVP performance from Rhino Riley in the playoffs to win Lord Stanley Cup advert in the NHL. Loves that Thanksgiving Stat. But I felt like this year not as many people use it. Maybe the blue of the people who finally took it out of vogue. Their turnaround was quite. It's simply remarkable to be able to follow up on. The Golden Knights did a year earlier and to shock the hockey world from being a team with such little expectations to be a team. That was just so hard not to route. Four is pretty incredible feat and that's what the blues did They were a likeable team. There are a veteran team. A lot of guys who have been there a long time had saw Lauda winning seasons but I just couldn't get over the Hump and to be there on the ice when they want. It was really special for me and special for the city of Saint Louis and all I have to say I'm not sick. A play glory at I could still listen to it. I know they were tired. Like if it played right now I wouldn't be upset. Boy that was a weird thing. Man got it like told me nearly five years ago. Oh by the way the Saint Louis. Blues Stanley Cup champions there anthem and early eighties disco tune ups. Like like come on there you go. It happened the weirdest thing about it. Was that the artist lower bragging I believe it is had passed passed away and then her old manager is running your social media account as if she was still alive very very bizarre and it was the most the most wonderful part about that was the fact that her old manager who was running her account was getting like interview requests from people. Hey do you wanna come on. You know big ted in in Google but on on K.. Xm To talk about. You Know Gloria Dad like unless you're going to have an on air. I don't think she's available but there you go weird. Things happened for the blues. Emily and I ate a lot of toasted Ravioli. Good Times I delete it right now. If it was in front of me. Yeah I try to eat it as much as I could but every time I you know I would have to wait five minutes into the intermission and then it would be gone because hockey writers is why we can remedy that the all star game this year darn tuten eaten all right. Listen everybody we sincerely thank each and every one of you for listening to this podcast. This year The growth has been great. You guys are the reason for it. the the fact that the the hockey podcast has gotten love behind the scenes. ESPN as the House has been exhilarating And you know the fact that You did what we do is exhilarating. there's a lot of podcasts that are competing for for your time and attention. Many of them are about hockey. So to how you dig this one the way that you do is is truly truly truly flattering honoring and truly truly wonderful for family. I and we thank you for Tennessee. Better myself we love you all. I wouldn't go that far. I mean love is a very strong word I I would need more than a few dates before I get there but I'm in love with you all I'm all she person twenty Well well I'm in. I'm in like admiration. The potentials their swipe. Sure on your dad. I switched the correct way on this relationship. I think I live one thing to say. 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"The Dan Libertad Woodstock. Gotcha podcast is brought to you by the Capital One saver card or four percent cashback on dining entertainment ju- percent. A grocery stores of one percent on all of the purchases. Now when you go out you cash, what's in your wallet terms apply. There's some sound here. I want to get to involving Stu gods and Chris Mortensen to see which sound is more useless, STAN Van Gundy will be the arbiter in terms of useless sound who's is more useless. But before we get to that. We are contractually obligated at ESPN to talk about LeBron James every single day. So Dave mcmanamon did that yesterday on Jorges Sodano show? I wanna play this sound for STAN Van Gundy. And I want to ask you guys a question. I think is very precarious right now. I think the trust that LeBron James has in the Lakers organization has been damaged. Well, I'm not saying it can't be repaired. But right now, there's a top bridge that has fallen is going to be needed to be put back together. And that's going to have to be approving grounds for for Jeeva for rob Pelinka for Rambus Lindor embassy whoever else is involved in this process. Now, you know have to be initial thing proven with whoever is hired as a coach and then this summer. So I want to ask you and stand this questions to got stand. I given what LeBron James's success has been over the last fifteen years, and that he rightly probably thinks he's the reason for his success. Does it make sense to you stand that he would be in Los Angeles look in the mirror and say, this isn't my fault in any way whatsoever. Yeah. That makes sense. And I'm sure he is saying that I mean, you know, he he probably attributed to lot of it to the injury, which is right. But I don't think other than that that he thinks it's his blaming any looks at what a mess. This organization is right now, nobody seems to know if they're planning to hire a president from the outside if they are it makes no sense to be higher on a coach. I. Or to keep rob Pelinka is rob Pelinka now running the organization. I mean, it's a mess in LA. No one knows what's going on. And I'm sure that does not instill confidence in LeBron James or or anyone else. The absolutely thinks. It's everyone else's fault. It's not his fault though. I mean, the broad should be signed a deal. He got hurt. I mean that happens it never happens to him. But it happened in this year. Otherwise, I think they'd be a playoff team. But he is then you have you have hitched everything to LeBron James for the next three seasons. He's still one of the best players in the world. If not the best player in the world, you do what LeBron want you to do? You gotta keep them. Happy for the next three seasons and surround him with a people he wants to be surrounded with you just have to the Delia me is LeBron still the best player in the world stand. Now, not right now. And look, I'm a guy who's been very pro LeBrun. I've said at times, I you know, I think he's he's the best player that we've ever had in. In this league. But he's not that right now, you know, and it should be expected to to happen. This way, he's on a very slow decline. Probably slower than anybody. I've seen but you couldn't put him ahead of of James harden or Jaanus or Kevin Durant. Probably not even quiet Leonard. I mean, you know, there's a there's a handful of guys better than LeBron at this point. Why do you have to keep them happy though? He's stuck there for four years. You're gonna risk losing him at thirty eight like he's locked in. There's nothing he can really do a best chance you have it winning. I mean. Yeah. But if you're building a team you have to build a team not worry about what's going to set. Lebron the fear that he's going to leave in four years when he's thirty eight. Yeah. I'm with you on that. I mean, it's not about keeping him happy. I it's about getting to the point that you can win, you know. And quite honestly, I think if they can get to the point that they're winning and plan at a level that LeBron's been used to then he'll be happy. So one short talking about who the bus player the leaguers fits not LeBron anew. You merchant several Neum's Strandberg on earth coach of your majesty Detroit persons wire. It was concert Rogers. Who the first player in the NBA? Now that we're to start hawker. Wash. Okay. The team in the not going to definitively answer it. I've got a three way tie with with Janas James harden, and Kevin Durant. Turn loved that stand perfectly acceptable. Better than anybody. And putting on. Entertained the feed. Winners here. Do things John ROY throughway was Jordan was to call that. Lebron you're saying the Braun is no longer the best thing Steph where stuff is even in new areas. Yeah. Well, I I would probably have him fourth. And if I have to come up with the best in the world, it would be very tough decision. But I would take on us right now slapdown stand. None of his is necessary. We don't sign a first second third or fourth. Sure, Jamie Lillard announce of poisons in conversation Larsen. Yes, we're home. That's an official announcing of a presence. Welcome to the conversation. Rank among point guards put it on the poll gear, my lebatardshow, welcome to the conversation, Damian Lillard. Yes. Or no. Grew to bleeding with your standard. Gordon? I just wish you would pick one. He did it just dead. He said what we're gonna pick point guards. Now, you're. Toppled? Well, see this is this a little bit hard because you know, depict Yana replace Yana says a point guard because that's basically where he plays. But of the more traditional point guards, I would put hardened barely ahead of Steph curry and. Chupin important. Visit what Schwartz meteors? No. Can you talk a little bit about the Trump turn structures in Portland? Yeah. And the Terry's been great and very underrated in what he's done, you know, people I think overreact to single white playoff series. And they'd been swept two years in a row. And so Terri was under some heat. But even with the injury to nurture kitchen everything this year. That's a very good team. That is always in contention in a very tough Western Conference Terry's been consistently among the best coaches and league among the purse. Indeed, the brush the best. I mean, look to me it's a pretty easy choice. If you're going to try to identify the best it's easier than it is with the players. I mean, you can't make a case for anyone above Gregg Popovich in terms of. Coaching job over his career, which well it might be. Yeah. All your might be the best. Go to commercial everyone get out of here. Guy for Dan to reluctantly take part in something. It's two guys. Couldn't be happier. Doing I miss this too. Yeah. It's been a minute angel of nuance. And the dirty demon of debate. 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As long as you live. Wow. Stugatz. The one who loves you. No way. Like god. Libertador show with his two guys on ESPN radio. I get more straight talk during the brakes than I'm comfortable with. Stugatz. I have no idea what he was yelling at again on his computer. But this is what I heard this is all I heard oh bleep off while waving like fingers at the screen, and he so impossibly handsome. It's so annoying. There. Tom Brady just tweeted out a picture of himself had is this man continue to get better looking with age. We all look horrible as we age Tom Brady looks better as he ages and the caption doesn't help the tweet itself. The pictures fantastic is might be the greatest picture Brady of all taught the hair short. He looks great. But he tweeted out, I'm ready. Anyone wanna run it back? I mean good a how man and when you get there say hi to our prices, very good. So that's the jealousy of a real jets fan Tom Brady. I don't know if. People think he's cool or not. But certainly winning is cool. I Tom Brady has some dorky. And I'm just like Russell Wilson. Does. There aren't a lot of quarterbacks that give off cool in honor of that Damian Lillard moment before we get to the useless sound from Stu gods and more. If I throw in front of you guys standing Gunja included they've been Gundy as made his nomination for most fan. Celebrate Tori moment at the end of a game where he has enjoyed the success of an individual. He is nominated Pudge Rodriguez blocking the plate on j t snow two thousand and three playoffs. What I'm asking? You guys is to put the ranking somewhere on these. Okay. Larry Bird holding up a finger before he had won the three point contest. Because he knew the last shot was going in Stephan digs throwing his helmet after ending a season. Great Jose, Batista bat, flip in terms of these cool cold blooded moments in appears that Seth curry yesterday was telling the okay, see bench. Here's where Damian NGO Damian. You're going to watch this with me as Damian Lillard you guy. Where where do you rank where do you rank these things in terms of just Robert orient the end of a game nodding with the buzzer beater? I've got a fairly recent one at happened in soccer Cristiano Renaldo was playing at LEGO Madrid. Who was a longtime rival at riyal at Real Madrid? They didn't perform well at the home. Fa at the away fixture at let it go Madrid. The fans were riding in the entire game. There were doing really discussing things with photos with his wife's and they got an Rinaldo 's head next game now, though has a hat trick and keep in mind Athletico Madrid. Their manager was doing a pelvic thrust. At the end of the first leg Rinaldo has a hat trick to eliminate Athletico Madrid in the second leg he starts doing the pelvic thrust. I have that rank fifty seconds. Soccer is lot. What about? Arriving in LA in scoring a goal that like four people on earth could score sixty four th permit. Okay. Very good play the sound of Gary Payton here put those all up on the poll, please gear for people to choose from on just cool as coldest moment that you've seen in sports. But here's Gary Payton talking about Larry Bird and Larry Bird trash talk. Because San you gotta love all these birds stories, right? You love them. I love all those stories. The stories Gary was telling that day. We're great. So here's Gary Payton telling you what Larry Bird would say before he ended you two years. I've played in years Larry Bird. He was really really really great. In was worth one of the best basketball players. I ever see play ball. He tell you where he's going to go on a spot hearsay album just three in your mouth right here in a corner. And he voted he said, I'm gonna take two dribbles, and you're going to try to jump and then I may hit you and I'm a run down. And I'm looking at you, and it's going to go to the net. Now with incredible to me. Always going gonna give us Christmas presents and there's going to be a jumper in your mouth. Mike. I love the in the map I love Christmas. But here's a Christmas. Present a jumper in your mouth. Let's play for the audience here stand. I I meant for you to get to make a ruling on this here. I let's go with the mort sound that. We think is useless. And we say this as someone and a whole show. Our show loves mort. He's one of our regional guests everyone around here loves him. But we believe this sound to be useless. But it's a team takes in his Jones. They're gonna take it because he's Daniel Joel traffic. Okay. So just play it again came taste in your Jones. They're gonna take him because he's Daniel Joel. So let's probably true, by the way that is probably true. He's not wrong. But neither is to God's wrong. When he says this in your lifetime, you will fart as many times as you far. I'm supposed to pick between those one is more useless. Both of them are accurate, which one is more useless. I mean, you can't use either one of them for anything. So what do you mean stand? That's all right. Hold on. Hold wants to hear them again. Just to make sure let's see if we can measure the uselessness of the comments right here. This is draft coverage from Chris mort. A critic eighteen takes Daniel Jones. They're going to take because he's Dana. Joel and here is to God's in your lifetime. You will fart as many times as you far. I guess stugatz. Is more useless just because you know, as much as I hate to say it the draft might even be more important than farting. So not much more. But but maybe a little bit. Thank you. Stan donlevatar. What's to stop, by the way? It sounds like a dumb on box plus mine. Yep. About rings, plus minus. I mean. Okay. Six for MJ three for LeBron still gods. What lebrons rings in a box. And then put 'em Jay's rings in a box and tell me who has more that's up. Plus three by the way, these easy donlevatar show with two guys on ESPN radio. We will get to stand van Gundy's hot basketball playoff nuggets in your face here within about four or five minutes. But I am guilty of having some pixie bias here because it can be argued STAN Van Gundy that the coolest coldest moment in honor of Damian Lillard making that shot last night in the history of sports might be Kerri Strug the coolest ending landing or now injure that's tough to be and just landing under that kind of pressure while injured, I gotta tell you. I did some vaulting when I was when I was younger, and when you're out on the mats by yourself, and it's just you and the vault, and you gotta stick that landing. It's intimidate now. Imagine. That for the gold medal at the Olympic Games with Russia right behind you. And if you don't stick the landing the Russians get the gold, and you don't Kerri Strug was facing all that. And she was injured as Dan pointed out, she was on the mats, and she stuck that landing on the ball. And that's a moment because I've been there of defiance where it's just you you have to stick the landing you're on the met by yourself. And you sit there when you do it. And you say, hey, you know, what look at me? Hold on a second. I I got a couple of questions. I'm not sure that that that was that we had a Cold War situation going on with the Kerri Strug stuff. I'm not totally positive you might be right there. And I don't believe you when you say that you were a gymnast when you were. I mean, I in fact, Chris will back me up. He was at the house. You saw all the awards we played golf. I think you saw the vault that you saw the vault. I saw a picture of him sticking landing it's odd, but I have seen. I think he's talked about this before. This is the first I'm learning this. Okay. So forgive me for remembering. But wait a minute. Do. God's was a gymnast. He was Russia. It was Russia. Yes. Here that might have been Romanian. But they got the bronze. So we were slightly ahead wants drug started her run towards the vault, and then stuck the landing. We were slightly ahead. But had she not stuck the landing. We could have fallen behind the loss to Russia. There was a lot of the line there. Everything was on the line. You gotta throw brandy Chastain in there too. Yes. That's a good one. And that's a great one the magnificent seven man, I mean have about that USA gymnastics team. Because again, it was a vaulter and I also did floor exercises. I am telling you that is the greatest Olympic gymnastics team of all time except for the one with Mary Lou hold on. I don't you did not do rhythmic gymnastics floor exercises. You do not do gymnastics. I prefer to think of it as rhythmic gymnastics with a little ribbon. What how old were you have somebody? Am I being an? I being punked here is this true thing that's do gods. What pictures did you see instances house, Chris in his office the pictures? Yeah. That's all. I mean, I'm a regular bar Connor. Are they all making this up? You guys fooled me? Okay. You had full time. Now for Stanford Gundy's hot hot, no gets all up in your face. And now time for stamping goodies top NBA nugget Sony, Wednesday show, the biggie. So what's the theme this week? Stan the first round of the NBA playoffs, which dunk by the way until last night, even we'll give you we'll give you some things to basically say that. Yes. Okay. Wait a minute last week. You were arguing the merits of how good the first round has been. I go ahead. What are you guys laughing about hold on a second stand? We will get to your nuggets in a second. Correct me if I'm a steak, and I believed God said bird, Connor said, WalMart barcon everyone knows bar. I mean, blonde hair bore Connor eighty four Olympics games. I mean, he was he was amazing. The captain of the team. I mean, it would have been me. But I have my career got cut your because they injury. Put it on the poll does everybody know? Bart Conner also who which was the zoo who was the gymnasts that did Jim Cada that terribly conceived idea of we're going to have an Olympic win a gold medal. And then he's going to be John Claude van Gombe is occurred. Thomas. The gymnast who did know of looking it up. You know what I'm talking about? Why? All right. We'll get back to that analysis and a second third. Best nugget from STAN Van Gundy. Go head getting their guys make the joke. Big sexy. Third. Best nugget from STAN Van Gundy is it has been thirteen years since we haven't had at least one team without homecourt advantage win a first round series. But there is a great possibility. It could happen this year. And we already know this is the fourth straight year where there has not been a first round upset in the Eastern Conference. The second best STAN Van Gundy nugget is right now with five series decided in three teams down to their final game. The losing teams have won a total of only seven games if Golden State in Houston close out their series at home tonight in Denver hangs onto win its series with San Antonio. This will be the least competitive first round in fifteen years. I try and tell you that last week, and you're telling me how great offs source so far thought that last week. I thought the first weekend the gains were pretty good. But the series have not stood up to that. In the last night. Three of the four games were were absolute blowout. I mean it stands defense. You did have the magic winning game on the clipper. We knew the north forty Philly and we were talking about eight immersed week get and hold on a second. You know, you've been around basketball too long for this. You're the one who told us when Golden State loss game two they'll probably not lose another game. In this series. The the the idea that Toronto would win and five or that Orlando wouldn't match up and that all these that the nets would win one surprise game. And then the rest of them would go that way. There's nothing surprising about how we get to five series. No, I didn't say that. All I said was the first weekend had been pretty good. That's all I said, the first the best nugget from STAN van Gundy's playoff analysis is Houston should be leery of giving the Utah Jazz further life tonight in this series in the past twelve years. There have been twenty two first round upsets and five of them have been won by the jazz. No one else has pulled more than two first round upsets in that time. Nice nugget. They're always good Gundy's. Nuggets are always good. I spent hours researching. No, actually do like I got up. I set my alarm for like six forty five this morning because I hadn't done them last night. Like, I usually do and I wanted to have time. Yeah. Like, these stress me out, you know, and it gets harder as year goes on and on. I create a great deal of stress in my life coming up with the nuggets, ROY I need more. Jim kata information. I need to explain to the audience that doesn't know what year. This was it was just a terribly conceived idea. Sailing soaring on the wings of patriotism. He had just won a gold medal. It was nine hundred eighty five right after they did it in nineteen Eighty-four. Jim Kaat a nineteen eighty five martial arts own starring Olympic gymnast, Kurt Thomas as Jonathan Calvin in Olympic gymnasts who combines his gymnastic ability with martial arts to enter a deadly competition in a fictional country. Administration. Yes. Yeah. His performance earned him a nomination for the Razzie award. Big sexy. It was December eighteenth worst movie of all time. Wait a minute. Wait a minute. There's a list of the worst movies all times, we dissect it next. Donlevatar? There's a belief that there's golden the heads of bald men so police in Mozambique are warning boldness still guts, I cut my head off. If I were bald see if there's golden there. Money. These these live at our show with his two guys on ESPN radio. We know from experience that when a referee makes a call that can make or break a game. Or in this case a playoff series the team on the receiving end of the penalty isn't going to be very happy about that decision. In this case, the Vegas Golden Knights who not happy you see this last night. My friend is a vice president for them. And just was crushed just crushed by this of that name. You just I didn't ask. The name this audit as your friend was the VP of the nights. I mean could said that that was one of the talking points a match up of two former Florida panther head coach is also one of the talking points. That's right anyway, the Vegas Golden Knights. Another talking point is Dan's friend. Yes. Led by Dan's friend. They lead three to nothing in game seven. They got a checking major assess the Cody Eakin, San Jose's resulting five minute. Power play lead the four goals in four minutes within that power play to take a four to three lead the sharks would eventually win in overtime to win the series. The Golden Knights were left literally comparing their loss to the New Orleans. Saints loss of the ranch the NFC championship game. This experience was brought to you by farmer's insurance. They ahead of the game. Find an agent at farmers dot com. Gamma put it on the poll. Please does this shows hockey coverage amount to did you see what happened in hockey last night? How 'bout that? Is that how we cover hockey around here? If that happened in hall or basketball all the rules would end up changing their you'd have what happened with Sean Payton, you know, echoing throughout ESPN and throughout the week. I mean, it's a game seven you're up three nothing. I guess about halfway through the third period. Oy. Yeah. Ninety nine point nine percent of the time that game is over five minute. Major three goals. Go to overtime now. People would say, hey, foregoes. I'm sorry. Five hundred major four goals. You still gotta stop you. Give up a goal. You can't give a four-goal down a guy. You know? This was a blueprint match for the San Jose Sharks. Joe Thornton's been there for a long time. No cups to show for it. Gerard Galant was doing a great job lead in the biggest Golden Knights. Remember, he got left at the airport one time, but answers after they fired. Dan. Do you have the most upset or job you've ever felt by a refereed? You know, do you? Remember, can you tell us what that time was. I don't know off the top of my head. Yeah. Well, I do. Yeah. As a matter of fact, so we were my first year in Orlando. So it would have been a two thousand eight playoffs and we had lost our first two games in Detroit. And we we come home. We win game three. We've got a chance to to win game four, and we get a block charge. Call late in the game Turkoglu goes to the basket, and we had to referee raise the hand with the fist up. So he's going to call the foul on them. And then solidify handwrite behind his head in called the charge. Just sorta changed his mind their mid motion. Yeah. That one that one upset me a little bit of Joey Crawford. I'm not I'm not going to give a name. Guy. Still an active official brothers. He might diving the game. Oh, tell you. Chris find out who the officials were for that game. He's given us enough information will smear all of them instead of just one of them. And here's Ed Meloy being famously bad down by two one hundred ninety eight inbound a love the left side, you'd want jodel was up to the shot blocked by Marion the ball comes in the arms down the bear. The horn sounds of the ball game as offer the timber wolves are screaming for a foul. There was none called. Rubio off too low. That is unbelievable. Referees are booed as they go off the floor. David Guthrie is right there. He never guts to call. It. Also. Wasn't him was him was an Molloy's dead. I am not saying Steve Javadi that referee saved Jammie was Tim. We're gonna Larry. That's hilarious clip. I'd never heard that. All right. So what are we doing here? What's this list from of the worst movies ever made redoing the top seventeen top ten? What are we doing? I mean, it's up to you. Jim Cada was seventeen. So I have the list from maxim here if you wanna go team, let's do this. Are you ready? These are the seventeen worst movies of all time in two thousand and two on this list was put up on maxim magazine. Okay. No, oh, no. We don't have a movie from the last seventeen years. Here on here, that's a flawed wisdom. You guys you really up to date on your stuff here. That's great work. I mean, I have a list from record dot com. But it does not include Jim Cada. So we're going to go with the list for two thousand two from maxim magazine was your sure because you got a lot of audience out there that were like five and Sagir wait a minute we act perfect and at seventeen years ago, but feels like yesterday it was back when people were buying the magazine. I think I was subscribed in good conscious. Do a list from two thousand and to maximize his show ever been about good. Excludes the last seventeen years at you me too. Two. A website. Nineteen eighty five with the you know, what the heck Stanley at websites. Tell me that does not look like it's from two thousand two GO cities. The fill. Let's do this come on the seventeen from two thousand to do. I have number sixteen. I'm ready to go. Dan's ready to guide seventeen is the aforementioned Jim Kada, starring a gymnast. I'm Kurt Thomas who was doing things on the pommel horse that were deadly. And again, this is according to maximize Zine in two thousand and two number sixteen Stu gods. The thin red line. Number fifteen Moulin Rouge, number fourteen. Now. Number thirteen the godfather part three number twelve cutthroat island. Number eleven dirty dancing. Yeah. I totally agree. This is maximum. Remember, they're they're laying in two thousand and to put it on the poll is dirty dancing. One of the eleven worst movies of all time number ten to God, little NICKY. I haven't thought about Nell in thirty years you saying it was great Chris Graham Sandler as the as the devil me. Tim Marino's second worse than the devil is about the devil. It was number nine Stu gods. When Harry got mail and Seattle that was a spoof. Number eight. It's Pat the movie. It's the golden time in comedy number seven, The English Patient. Maksim wouldn't best picture number six the postman. That was nominated certainly, you know, stay alive number four or Magadan. Number three hatch Adams. Taking any number two steel magnolias. A maximum lane end the worst movie of all time is that many, Robin. According to maxim in two thousand and two.

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Bob McKenzie

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Bob McKenzie

"You're listening to an LA kings podcast for more episodes of this and every other kings program visit L. A. Kings Dot com slash podcast. You're listening to all the king's men the official podcast of the La Kings. Now here's your host Jesse, Cohen. Welcome at Kings Fans I. AM Jesse Cohen. This is all the king's men presented by Manscaping. Thanks to this Revolutionary Company manscaping accidents or thing of the past just get yourself the manscaping perfect package three point zero inside. You'll find products like their lawnmower three point zero, which is advanced skin safe technology. So this trimmer won't cut you everything you need to keep trimmed and smelling nice in the perfect package three point oh? You can get twenty percent off plus free shipping with the Code Kingsman at Manscaping Dot com that's man scape dot com and use the code king's men. The qualifying rounds set start on the NHL return to play. But you won't be hearing my thoughts this episode on those games. Instead Jackson Lonski had a chance to ask Bob Mackenzie for his thoughts and we bring that conversation to you now. Joining me now is any better long crime medical writer and author and tsn handle is five Mackenzie Bob how are you man? John Cover you doing. I'm doing great. It's great to hear you know Obviously, we're in untrusted time, but we're just days away from the NHL resumption of in Toronto. I am in Toronto, I'm well. Put it this way close enough that you would call. TORONTO WE SOLD OUR LAST FALL in the Greater Toronto area excuse me moved up to a Lake Balsam Lake about an hour and a half north of Toronto. And that's my headquarters now and when I need to be in the city, the not so long to get there. So yes, it is your question in Toronto sort of. So. So what's your plan once the Games get going? Are you gonNA in the bubble outside of the bubble Catholics? Yeah definitely not in the bubble and and this is unique one for me. It's unique for everybody as you mentioned off the top I mean there's nobody amongst that. Hasn't been. Impacted by this whole thing. In a weird way that you know we can. We've never had an experience like this before. So in any case it was it was a little extra weird for me because the two thousand and nineteen twenty season was supposed to be my last full time season covering the NHL I was GonNa semi retire And in fact, I still a semi retire and I was supposed to be all done on July second day out for free agency. But of course, we're just GonNa get this nineteen twenty season going here on the weekend and all things, right? Equally. It's GONNA end up finishing in early October I'm coming back to tsn in studio for the preliminary round So that the the eight series to start the get punctuated at the end with the the draft lottery on Monday August tenth the second rouse lottery find out who's getting the number. One overall pick that's going to be my last workday for the nineteen twenty season and I'm shutting it down after that GonNa Watch, it all unfold on TV and And then I my semi retirement contract kicks in and I'll be doing things like the World Juniors free agent trend. He craft freaking a few other things but I'm GonNa take a pretty big step back myself. Well I want to congratulate you on the career you've had and You know I look forward to hearing you on the World Juniors every year but all in all. It's been a heck of a career for you cited that you get to to get your retirement plan soon enough. Well thanks very much Jack. I. Really appreciate that and it's been a great ride and it's made all the better when I get to meet people like you and many others the cross paths with it's really It's a people job and it's nice to meet so many good people over the years. well, speaking of those preliminary rounds that will be your last you know working as an analyst job Let's get right into those ones especially in Toronto on the East you know the first matchup that we want to dig into here is Pittsburgh Montreal at five twelve and I think one of the topics that we've. talked a lot about a leading into this the goaltending situation and carry prices ability to bench potentially steal a Gamer Steel Siri and I'm not going to beat a dead horse of that. Let's go to the Pittsburgh side. You know you've got just Jerry who? His Team in stats on the goaltending pending in you got Matt Berry that time Stanley. Cup winner. Where do you see? Pittsburgh going in that direction? Yeah. That's a good question and We'll probably try to drill down more on starting goaltender first game between Pittsburgh material the days to come but I really believe them head coach Mike. Sullivan is comfortable whichever we gotta go. I think as you pointed out a jerry played well enough. at times this year with memory with either injured or not playing well, which was a great degree of confidence in him and and so for me I I kinda take it on face value the Pittsburgh whoever they play in that whether it's Murray or Jerry is going to have some decent goals on your good goaltending and maybe that's all it needs to be when you grow Sidney crosby and get him Elkin and. The thing that concerns me ever. So slightly without knowing anything detail is just the fact that in the last week or so crosby's missed a few practices. I'm he was skating full up with the team in the most recent skate hot You know I I, like Pittsburgh is sort of a dark horse when people talk about the best teams in the east. They always talk about Boston and Tampa Bay. Maybe Washington Pittsburgh to me who are never healthy all year long I, thought had a really good year. In spite of the fact that they were missing so many key players for extended periods of time, and now that they've got shake insolence and all their injured guys back for all intents and purposes I think they could be a real a team to be reckoned with. Your but you never know when a five game series either did you mentioned the price factor but for me, it's all about his Sydney healthy. If he's healthy then I could see where he can put this team on his back on his back along with you know Malcolm and they they. They could go deep. That, you talked about the health factor obviously get returning as one of the key players I think in all the NHL that's coming back That wasn't expected to be in the playoffs. Got If this. Would have played out as was supposed to but on top of that, no Pittsburgh added or forwards of the deadline and Marlow Zucker Syrian Rodriguez, do you see more deep offensive talented group in the NHL Pittsburgh offense? and. They're very well balanced and when you're running crosby and Malcolm two wines, you know that's taken care of. And And I think the the debt you're right. They added those players at the deadline that don't give them more flexibility. getting back is huge and getting all their injured guys 'cause they said for much of the year they were missing a lottery t guys. So I really like their balance and I think they're defensive sneaky good. Healthy, and there's no reason to believe at this point. He's not and I I saw John Reno et year and I I just think you know even when they won the Cup people looking through the fence and they do. Not Exactly A star-studded group, but they didn't have to be. gymnastics pretends to construct teams like that. You remember the Carolina team. That won the Stanley Cup had sort of a 'cause I knew name defense where that's the players more important than the marquee guys are. So as I say, I, kind of like Pittsburgh but in this year with everything. So uncertain five game series against Montreal you just never know. Yeah. So we've covered Pittsburgh. You know last question I want to ask on the series is you know aside from the Carey price factor in his ability to steal games and even the series. What's one reason that the Canadians can win the series other than carry price? Well, I think the Montreal Canadian don't rely on anyone player for all their offense. and when they're on their game, they score by committee and they get a balanced attack where they get a good five on five scoring from all their lines they're not a team that rely just on the power play. Five on five scoring actually pretty good. When they're. When they're firing on all cylinders but you know that's kind of the keys they've got to have that the committee approach. They're healthier than the the much year as. Teams you know they mistrial grew he was on fire at the beginning of the year. And he had that wrist injury broken wrist and missed a significant period of time and he looked like he was really ready to take off and be the player we thought he was going to be in. Tampa. So for Montreal, they got a sneaky good offense. Isn't hinging on one particular player They got a lot of guys, the Brandon Gallagher's and the knicks cookies and all up and down there lineup can contribute ostensibly and create a balanced attack. The next match up here is six eleven and we've got Carolina New York, and this has been you know highly talked about series for quite the reasons You know before we get into the series on the as can you give the listeners a little bit of a rundown on the Brady say trade and its implications with this matchup. Well, obviously Guy Like Shea One of the more underrated Lou liners in in the National Hockey League. And I just think when you look at both teams, they both got puck moving defenseman they both there is some concern on the Carolina side. About gi. Hamilton. Tell. Whether. You're looking at the Carolina liner, the ranger, Blue Line they've got guys that can skate move the puck. and make things happen from an offensive point of view. So I, think that that's A. Critical factor for both teams generating offense from the Blue Line and And so I just think that's That'll be a key consideration, herbal canes and the Rangers goaltending. We'll obviously come into play and you know Henry Linquist numbers against Carolina are very, very good but Giorgio Georgiev, historian of of being really good and kind of took the net away from the king. So it's GonNa be fascinating to see the goaltending plays out. for the Rangers and here line is one of those teams to kind of sneaky good. A. Look back to last year in the playoffs against Washington. What they did their teammates that gets easily forgotten when you start talking about the big boys in the Eastern conference I mentioned before Boston Tampa. And Washington and then you've got a team like Fitzpatrick's got pedigree. A lot of teams that you WANNA, Kinda rate ahead of the team, might, Carolina? Because they're sneaky good. You Talk About Carolina's ability to to match up against the big boys but they struggled mightily against the Rangers, and obviously we're in a time where you don't know who's GonNa, come back and play as well as we saw them play in the regular season just because of the lay offs do you still see Carolina favorite even though they went four New York here Yeah you, WANNA thing over the years that I I've. Basically. Adopted, the philosophy is. I I never look at the season series regular season series. Equate it with anything to do in the playoffs because historically. Used to work at the hockey news and even after that, we used to put to a hockey pool guides together and things like that and so it was really the Pooley's I learned this from. But We always used to put so much stock in what was the regular season series between two teams. And I haven't looked I haven't run the numbers lately I still Kinda taking fish call you and that is regular season success. I in terms of the season series very rarely. Meaningful transferred to postseason play. And now this year I don't I don't know what to make of it because it's just such a bizarre circumstance to have as many as we had I don't even think like the regular regular season was so long ago I mean. It was almost really in in in a manner of. Another was another world. Yeah, and so now here we are you read anything and but this is true not just of the region Carolina. It's true for everybody. We all go into the playoffs thinking okay. This is what I think of this team based on what they did in sixty nine or seventy or seventy, one game. That stuff that March march. I mean I know from year to year how much things change and I know teams do change over the summer but some teams don't change that much over the summer and they come back and they're not even close to the same team. They were the season before why is that well archies a random game and the longer you put a a period of time off. the greater the randomness of where that team is that. So that's why I'm having a real tough time trying to sell these playoff matchups. The best matchup is islanders in the panthers You know this the match up between two Stanley Cup winning coaches and trucks and Quenneville. Between the coaches, who do you think has the advantage given their coaching style with their roster. No Florida was starting to play some good hockey down the stretch from the happen. Yeah The islanders were kind of all over the place. Barry Trot will do exactly what he's got. Think he is real comfortable with team, but it seems to be you would think a greater level of consistency or baby whenever you would expect from New York Islanders. They're more likely to hit Florida to me is the younger team and I've because they're younger team. There's more likely to be a big swing. They're good. They're really really good but they also have a tough time with consistency and and let's be honest if. They hadn't done this points percentage. There was by no means guaranteed the Florida paid. Yeah. We're GONNA make the playoffs. This is not a guaranteed playoff team. So I think there's More of a mature, you'll aspect to the way the panthers play. Then the islanders were what you see is what you get and you know and they've they're leading those looking. Somebody put her two numbers this morning on average age. The oldest stage average team out of the twenty four that are playing i. don't know what that means whether it's negative or positive i. it just kind of reinforces to me that the islanders will surprise me in any way they'll. They'll play the way very hot spots to play the way Lulu Morello would want him to play whether either one of these teams have good enough. To get, I would think he's real traction in the eastern conference. A little skeptical or dope full of that. So fill in the blank here the islanders will win the series because and the panthers will win the series because. Well I think the panthers win the series because. You know Alexander Berkoff. If he's the dominant player. He has the ability to take games over offensively and defensively he can shut you down on a defensive side of things or he can make things happen in a big offense away and there is some pretty exciting young offense of talent uber, dot cooking and some of these other guys in. Florida. So I think that's what they would they would rely on I would think. You know very far along off is going to be the guy that That No. He he would need to be the best player in the series for for the islanders and if they win on the back Kim. Got It. It's an interesting match because I think that you bring up. You Know Varlamov and obviously you split the net, but you think he's the go-to Guy. Well. Put it this way. Very. Confident in grace to come back with whoever's hot. and Boy I think they'd like to think that. Would be the guy but I mean whether it was Robin Leonard and rice and always had a platoon system there where they've got a much confidence in the so called backup as the starter so wouldn't surprise me. Cross go to the bullpen on on either guy. The other guys not kidding. Yeah Last. Match up here in the East is Toronto and Columbus and obviously Toronto being the home team playing Scotiabank, their own arena that brings an interesting facet to it on paper because of Toronto's big. Name talent obviously, this match doesn't seem to be as close in tight as we expect it to be why do you think that is so Well, I mean. Columbus obviously lost a lot of firepower in a lot of star power in the off season all the free agent class across in that an Errand Matthew Shane and England basically everybody up. Front. But. You can't sleep on the blue jackets and John Tortorella it'd be little our this week. It didn't the team was practicing We've been giving his guys and you have to think back to what they really the Tampa Bay lightning last year, and there are some similarities between the lightning and the leafs not so much in terms of age because waving was very much a veteran team led by Stamkos and Edmond and. Those guys that are being around for a while And the leafs are a younger team. White Tampa, you know the knock on the leaves of the that they You know they don't play playoff style hockey that they want it to be too easy. They want us to be fun and On for a relic all about taken the fun out of the game for teams liked to play a fun game. And that's GonNa be the mental challenge when you look at skill level of the Toronto Police First, Columbus. Pretty big discrepancy. So unless you get corpuscle orders leak in one of the two euro goalies standing on his head and that's quite possible because both guys were very good. Elvis whereas weekends was fantastic in his rookie season this year I think he's GonNa be the goaltender on the rookie team although some people I know who voted Kennedy Blackwood but You know that's GonNa be the challenge for the leafs is to get over the mental hurdle of you know can we play a gritty in your face? Type Checking playoff style hockey are we prepared to do that in the past for that? Isn't going to be that easy I don't imagine we'll be. With. John Tortorella. Coach team or one that's got like David Savard or Seth Jones on the Blue Line so Think. It's GonNa be about the League psyche and I know that their general manager Kyle dubus. Kind of excited by the match up because he thinks is precisely the type of team physical in your face defense. I not a skill. That they believe they need to overcome if they're gonNA shed their stereotype as a soft team, literally planes when the gold is good. You set. Jones. What type of an impact in Columbus now that he's healthy. Huge Depending who you talk to top three top four defenceman I I can't imagine wasn't on. The top five ballots for the worse. On just just what everybody in the NHL this year and I think Probably wouldn't Carlson John Carlson's probably the next best but. I'm after that you get into guys like Jones and then again has the ability to impact a both into the ice. He complained shutdown minutes against the other teams that players but he's also a great skater and puck mover and sort of the new age defense who can make things happen offensively. As let's move over to the Western Conference here and you know Edmund Tin the five seed in Chicago, the twelve seed. Yeah. This matchup provides probably to the top deals in the NHL between likely you know Hart Trophy winner dry cycle and make David vs Canaan saves. You know who does this layoffs favored? The the vets are the young guns. I'm I'm not sure it favors anybody I. Don't have any question in my mind Jonathan Daviss and bad fourteen we'll come to play and whether they had time off or whether they were going invade into it. Me Those guys are money when it comes to performance and I know that as a teen. Blackhawks did not have the kind of year that they wanted to. And they're getting much older slower on defense I would think offensively I think you can really count on candidate then and now that Edmonton is broken up dreidel and mcdavid since last I saw riding at Hopkins was skating on a line with With mcdavid and And Dry Seidel head emoto and. With them going with the one two punch at center ice with David and Rice idol I fully expect these guys could be like the shot out of a cannon. Put Connor, mcdavid all that time off. It's gotta be just like he gotta want this so bad. And because playoffs is something that he's only had the one playoff run a couple of years ago I would we got to the second round against Anaheim and then the team is taking a step back. So I just gotTa think that no he. In the year drives title. Had I mean GonNa Win The trophy I'm pretty sure one the RAW. So I think the I I would expect the the best from the best of both of those teams in terms of team teams. David, and dry seidel. The question for Edmonton you get enough. Secondary scoring beyond their top dog. And some people would say, the same question can be asked of the Chicago Blackhawks and Blackhawk defense hold the fort against mcdavid. Dry Site That you bring up the secondary scoring and you know this this series of the case of one team bought at the trade deadline in one team sold at the deadline. Edmonson added and this infamous you and Mike Green Chicago traded away gusts of Sin Perelini robbed Lender Yoga Edmonton's at home everything points to them having cleared vantage. Tell me why Chicago has legitimate shot upset Edmonson. Well I guess a lot of it depends on his Corey Crawford, the healthy and ready to go and We know now that. The Blackhawks announced. The Crawford contracted crooner virus and he's in recovery phase of that does he and he could Dakota. If you're good to go is really good to go and he's going to need to be really good to go of course providence gotTa Stanley Cup pedigree. Knows what it takes to steal hockey games, and because you're dealing with this festive five animal instead of a best of seven. You know it took it a little bit more in favor of the underdog and there's no question. Blackhawks are the underdog and you're absolutely right. I mean. The blackhawks getting anticipate making the playoffs and they wouldn't have been the playoffs and it's kind of unfair some ways. For A. Team that was flirting with A divisional playoff spot. At the pond desk to go into a best of five against a team like Chicago when got guys Kane and tape. And guys like can keep. An Upfront Saad and some of the younger guys like the brink it and and snow. You know it's This could be a lot closer than you would think because Edmonton is on the rise there's no doubt about that. They weren't so much better than everybody else said you could. Expect are free and clear of a team like Chicago. So it's going to be a fascinating one, I mean I think Corey Crawford I mean of Corey Crawford. Can't play or is in close to one hundred percent in sharp I think there's a big drop off between Corey Crawford at invest and having to start Malcolm's who is your number one ruling not to say, sue beds not a decent NHL goal he but he's not demonstrated any a number one goalie in the NHL. And obviously when they traded robin lender wasn't envisioning maybe having steal games in the playoffs. Yeah He he also doesn't have three Stanley Cups You move to the the six eleven matchup in in Nashville near Zona and. We find ourselves in another goal lead battle or another one that could go either way with Rene Sorrows which way do you expect the predators to go? Well, I think they'll start with renee the veteran guy us You know he's the big band in that versus a little guy but again. I gotta think you know Johnny Hines came in part way through the year. It's not like he owes back aridity. lot of historical favors because they haven't been together that long but I think. Would be. To try. I think would be trying get ready going I'd love capable of plane and and. Then after that for both teams. Can Score enough gold? And nationals always be the team that when she gets there first couple of offense and guys like I enjoy and Sola pours bird do they have enough offensive debt? To make things happen and You know they went and rented tailor all because they wanted to have were offense punch. So now we'll see. UH If they if they've got it or not. This is the first year since two, thousand, twelve at the coyotes of. Ben In postseason play and I. Guess we can the postseason air quotes here because it's not technically the playoffs They've had an eventful week with obviously GM John Shaka terminating his contract. that's a whole nother conversation. So we will dive into it but with that said, what do you make the roster that Shaka assembled for the coyotes in this matchup against Nashville? There's there's no way you know he he felt like he had the assets to be able for you know a fairly moderate priced as far as rentals though to meet the Taylor deal and hopefully with a guy like call could take games over and give them A. Dynamic offense of presence that on a lot of nights is missing I mean you know kessels capable of giving you that if he's on his game but. Pretty big swings between Phil on gave an often. Whether he's doing at five on five or whether he's doing. on the power play. So I think it's it's a competitive team, but as you say. They probably wouldn't have been a playoff team or would it be to have a pretty good run down the stretch to be real playoff team and you haven't find themselves they find themselves in this situation. We've got sneaky good goaltending Dr Kempter's on his game. And we got some. Debt. At at that position, as well as number one nine maybe rates the backup so. you know for me it's about. Do. They have an offense of punching container all bring his a game, and if he does, you know that I can be the kind of game breaking score that Kabul open five eight. Here's. So Know you kind of covered both these teams saying that you know some of them you know they have goalscorer the steam, but the depth of offense the little bit of a question mark on both teams you know why? Can, we'll go with NASA wins the series because in Arizona. Series because. Well I think Nashville wins the series. If they just get the right mix of their characteristic trademark defense led by guys like, Gobi Neo. Scene. And Matisse. Whom Ryan Ellis. and just even a modicum of offense from your top players like Joe, Hanson and Forsberg. you know. So I think they're comfortable. Playing. Not, much merging for air type game. That's. Kinda disguise Nashville predators, hockey weather, or vendor Peter. Live, you let who probably favorite a little more of an offensive. War of an open offense of game and John Heinz who I think star Rating Defense I. on the flip side of it if you're Arizona. I think they're going to need to get some aid plus goaltending. to get through this, they're gonNA need whole record. Larson. Right at the top. Of His game and employing dominant for defensively and offensively because he's another one of those hybrids who really makes a big. Impact both ends. On the ice. And and then as I said, you know, let's see whatever God here whether or not he's to be back in Arizona anybody's guess. Part to be a free in the NHL I wouldn't. Go Taylor all could do his. His market value the world of good here by stepping up in this first round in a in a series where. one individual could really make a dramatic difference on the offense of. The moving to the seven ten match in the West here where you've got Vancouver in Minnesota you know these two teams were going in a little bit different directions right before the NHL Pause Minnesota was starting to get pretty hot then cooper. You. Know Kinda just floating in the air but fading a little bit. You know with momentum obviously out of the window given the initial pause who do you see favorite in this series provide Well I think you got a couple of dynamic All Accounts Brock being the best I in training camp. And he's really come off on the injury in really good shape. when offense a point of view and Elias Pederson. Is as one of those young players that. At various times in his career, he literally takes games over he just. And so in Cougar's got little bit more of a home run ball capability. Then Add Minnesota, but as you point, you know underneath Everson wild were really playing well at the pause and they look like they've got their act together and. And In stay locks being graded net for much of the year and And so I think there is some. Good feelings there in in Minnesota since a coaching change the Bruce Boudreau Addison. Everything started to click a little bit. So again, I would look at this series and say you know. I don't know if I see the winner of this series. Big. Big In the Western. conference. Playoffs given the strength and some of the other teams that are out there. Damned, if I can give you a real good. Separating factor between these two teams I other than I feel like you're right applause came at a good time Vancouver because they were starting to really do a lot of injuries in some key players and now they're healthy. I think they feel like they've got more offense of debt and they went over made the deal at the deadline for Tyler Toffoli and they really like. To Foley was bringing at the at the park and So if you get the fully and Patterson and Besser and JT Miller, a hell of a year for these guys suddenly you know throw bore hoard add into the mix and suddenly you're six seven offensive guys from. Vancouver. This looks like a lot word each offense and he knew they worked for much of the You mentioned to fully use traded from the king's obviously for a healthy package which you know we're happy with But at the same time, you know he seemed to be fitting right into the roster needs that Vancouver was hoping to fill them. How do you see a fully? Being in a Vancouver uniform moving forward and down the road. Well you know one of the things Vancouver's GonNa have to deal with your salary cap considerations everybody Rigas I mean this flat tap. Who knows how long could be one? Two, three, four years we don't know. For sure the next year or two, we're looking at a flat cap scenario and that doesn't help the team like the, Vancouver. Tanakh. Who got used to sign here they've got Pederson Pettersen deal to do and you WanNa Pederson is good as we think he's going to. He's going to be looking for homerun money. You know bitch martyr. Austin Matthews, type deals and. Then coober can have a law of money. Up in the bottom of the roster and I understand why they did it at the time. But when you when you look at their third and fourth line, guys that are on multiyear heels. And making you know the Eagles in the world and resells, and and some of the other guys they've got their. Yup that's you know and he's he's obviously a holdover guy. Doesn't fit now they used to but they've. Got A lot of money tied up in guys that aren't top six forwards and the top six forwards who are looking to make a lot more money. In. The next little while I don't know. You know whether it's a Foley's prepared to take a big enough this kind of come back. But again, it's a unique circumstance because we don't even know what the free agent market is gonNA look like. So some some players might be willing. To not expected to five or six or a seven year deal in free agency. Maybe do what you were three years almost like a bridge. USA deal. For some of these older guys like the fully. Until they can see where the Free agent market is going to be a year or two or three down the road. Because I I think you know we saw best would say a semi bridge deal CEDENCO LONG-TERM JU- expect Quinn Hughes and as you mentioned Patterson and be in that, you know homerun money ballpark area. I yeah, it's quite possible. We will have to see how better performance here in the in the playoffs but Tony still got another year to go. So I gotta believe that he's just going to let. You go a lot of confidence. More confident players in the National Hockey League and I think he does own mind. He thinks he's a lot closer to the connor mcdavid of the world. And then the rest of the field and that you know if he just by design plays the way he's capable of playing. The contract will take care of itself. You look at the last match up here in Calgary and Winnipeg you know like the Eastern Conference Eight, nine matchup with Toronto in Columbus. Expected to be a pretty tightly contested a series. You know, how are these teams liking? What makes them so tightly contested? Well I think they're both teams win they're on top of their game with their best offense players they're cooking with cats. I'm they complete with anybody in the national hockey? So you're the plane you sean Monahan and Johnny Goodra. You know really rolling in. All cylinders. Boy Their handful. In the match you chuck factor. Quite often he's playing on another line separate from those two guys. And you know he really schemes and a visceral way. It's the other team off his gay just as true doughty. On. KOA SO So. So Calgary be real jekyll and Hyde keep that when they're competent game. They could be really dangerous, but there's such an inconsistent. You just never know Monahan in good row the offense of weapons that would have got Berkshire. Blake. Wheeler Nick Healers Kyle Connor. Patrick wine. It's an embarrassment of riches. in the top six or seven forwards for Winnipeg jets. And I think what could be deciding factor in this series? Is that for my money the best quality in the NHL issue was connor alibi. The Winnipeg jets and Lots of injuries over the year but there's no way when pigs even in the playoff picture if not for hell of. Stealing Games and playing at the level he played all year long. So I'll be curious to see whether Whether David Rick or A. Talbot or any of the goaltenders for the Taliban planes. Can Do for Calgary what hell about should do for the? Winnipeg. That's a it's a great point. Obviously holiday up there in the McConnell. For both of these teams, they both added that the deadline. Calgary Getting Aubert and Winnipeg adding cody eakin Danilo. Who Do you think upgraded the most of the deadline and? And does that favor one of these teams going into the match up because of that? I know. Winnipeg like the initiative concerned Kim some more strength in the middle of the ice I gotta be honest with you. I think both teams address. Issues for the most part of my mind and at the end of the day thing less likely to be especially to find game series it's a lot less likely to be decided by up. In a lot more with the murky. So if Sharply, Wheeler Line and healers and Those guys a winnipeg. Game Great. Johnny Good Role, monitor Macklin, and You Chalk are. And Edge Calorie into. that. That's a series where that. We've covered all the playoff matches for the play in round of all the teams that we've talked about. Who Do you think has the best chance of getting past you know the team that they've got going here and then at the same time getting towards a cup finals and even potentially winning the cup. well as I said, I'm curious to see what Pittsburgh Doug here You know if they can. Just. Montreal. Pittsburgh win they're healthy and on their game. I think you could. At least mentioned them in the same year. As a Boston and Tampa and Washington Philadelphia top four seeds that are playing obviously they'll place maintains instead of playing games to start. So so Pittsburgh sort of the one. The East jumps out at me maybe being worthy of. Getting on a run if all things all in place. And on the western side of things Let me think the second year Boy Oh boy I'm sure to see what the Edmonton oilers bring. In the Western Conference when I look at St Louis Colorado Vegas. Dallas. I see a bigger drop off between those four teams in the West and the rest of the Western teams that are playing in the playing around. And I think any of these. Eight teams in the play in round in the West. are going to have their hands full with those top for Western teams. Bob I wanNA thank you for your time and you've got A. A busy busy schedule ahead in the next week or two. So all in all congratulations on the retirement and Thank you for spending time on the call. Awesome thanks Mitch Chocolate, was pleasure to talk to you anytime. You ever need anything you called.

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The Peter DeBoer era begins

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The Peter DeBoer era begins

"Golden Age podcast is sponsored by. Sdn Sports from station Casinos Sdn sports the only sports betting APP. You need this season. Sign up today and get a new sign up bonus of up to fifty dollars. What is a fans? This is the Golden Age. podcast the PODCAST. The Las Vegas Biggest Review Journal talks about hockey. I am Ben Goats and on the other line is my colleague. David Shane in lovely Boston. This morning. Dave how's is it going awesome awesome. We can have on the road. I'm all geared up just about ready to go to Saint Louis for the All Star game you know. Dave is going to be on his way to Saint Louis Very shortly cause the Golden Knights are starting most of them anyway are starting a nice week off here after they lost three two to the Boston. bruins on Tuesday night recording Wednesday morning for talk more about that game and some other night's night's games we wanNA remind you that the golden edge podcast is presented by SDN sports mobile from station casinos. Make sure to also like subscribe. Whatever you do with your podcast asked an item stitcher excetera and check out all our written work at review journal Dot Com? I'm sorry for interrupting their Dave. Are you very excited. A pack your bags for lovely Saint Louis this January. Yeah you know should be fun. Time whenever The All star the game gets going. It's always Lots of festivities and events and different things going on. It's been pretty cool off a couple of years but I got a not. I'm pretty ready to come home. I'm it's been a long week with with everything with the coaches and everything else going on and four games and all that sort of a all that sort of stuff so think once I give back in Get to Vegas. It'll be nice to catch my breath a little bit. Yeah so we obviously recorded an emergency podcast Adam Hill and myself. After the Golden Knights Fire Gerard Gallant last week after their loss to the buffalo sabres and then hired former sharks coach. Peter Deboer to lead them. Dave you're just all over the place that day so he couldn't really figure out a good time to get you on but since we haven't really gotten your thoughts yet just how surprised were you by the move. And what's it been like kind of being around this team that's now all of a sudden influx. Yeah I was very very odd The way everything kind of happened just to give you like My personal account of everything thing. I was on a plane in buffalo headed to Philadelphia in route to Ottawa. I was literally literally in the plane pulling away from the gate and got you know like a text or a or a tweet kind of notification I guess for the Golden Knights. It's and all I saw on the top of my phone was jargon relieve the duties and then it I didn't see everything and my first reaction was holy bleep like what the you know totally stunned. Then I opened it up and I looked at it and I saw big picture extra Peter to bore and I went okay. Lots of joke like their account got hacked. This is not real. You know hiring Peter to bore like come on as much as I was shocked. That drug land was fired. There was a piece of that. Could you know kind of wrap my head around that. I you know comprised and certainly not something that I I would have done. Had I been in criminal George mcphee shoes but I guess it was understandable but the biggest surprise to me was the was the one who was hired knowing the history the rivalry kind of all that stuff knowing you know maybe other coaches that were out there available time and things like that soon after that I got a text message that kind of confirmed everything so that point yeah I was scrambling to try. Try to get a hold of you and trying to get all of the bosses and get everything figured out. And then I was a little puddle. Jumper plane Actually you know what now that I think about it. Let me go oh back. I was in Philadelphia on the way to Ottawa. So it was a little like Kinda you know to to seat to. I'll kind of PLANO Y I five so I was basically like trapped in a box for like a good hour while all this chaos is going going on and everything kind of swirling around so I mean I would not. I was no different than everybody else it was it came out last field. It was a complete surprise. I know in talking to you. Know just folks around around the team Kinda members of the organization and things like that. Nobody had had any inkling that this was coming. None of the players none of the staff and nothing nothing you know. Everybody basically was notified Wednesday morning. And you know on the wind from that point so first couple of days were definitely very weird. I heard there was A. I don't know how to describe it. I don't WanNa say a black cloud because I think that's probably probably a little bit too strong of a characterization but it it was just you can tell everybody had just walked you know with walking around like they've just been punched in the Gut. I mean everybody was wearing it on their sleeves. It was very obvious you know in practice in the next morning. Ski and things like that as kind of gone on. It's still a little weird to see. Peter divorced show up for or a media kind of availability wearing a golden knights hat and a pullover and things like that. I don't know how you used to that. I am indefinitely after the first game. Aim when the PR staff came through the the locker room and say coach. Pete will be available in two minutes during coach. Pete was was just a little on but I think as it's gone on here a little bit in the last couple of days it seemed a little bit more normal and then I think coming out of the break once. Everybody kind of has a chance. I think to really really sort of digest everything and you know sort of decompress. I guess from last week you know at that point. I think it'll feel a little bit more war normal. I'm just very curious to see the reception that Peter Depart cats during that February eighth game against the Carolina. Yeah but you bring up. The data is about to talk about that. The February eighth date. It's interesting hearing you know for me to hear you talk about all these things because of course I've been in las is Vegas this entire time. I'm so far removed from the situation where I'm just seeing from afar and of course I'm reading all your Stores Review Journal Dot Com. I'm watching Peter. DEVORE's press conferences princes and everything but me and I believe I'm speaking for a lot of fancier are not actually around the change so far so it's been very kind of weird to observe all these things taking place in far off places Ottawa Montreal and of course in last night Austin and to have all of these he's Kinda surprising things play out and then another thing that you mentioned that I was really interesting kind of you know you said there is a black cloud hanging over and the organization then said well. Well maybe not. I mean the crazy thing is. There's no time for clouds to even form here because of course the day after Glenn gets fired and Peter Deboer gets hired heard well Peter devore's holding his introductory press conference. He's meeting the players and then he's saying Oh. Yeah now we gotta go play the Ottawa Senators tonight and then of course they jet set to Montreal. We all got to play a game there. Peter divorced trying frantically to make at least some tweaks to some of their systems which will certainly get into what he's doing on the penalty to kill maybe with how he's Kinda deploying his lines and defensive pairs now and of course right after that you know a very emotional game which they lost in overtime but certainly played. Well just get it to overtime in Montreal. They go to Boston against one of the best teams in the NHL in a very tough building. SA- plan and the third period lead. Don't get any points out of that game and then all of a sudden it's like are cool. We're just done there. Of course I have a week off and I would have to imagine. Imagine after team's been through in the last week or so especially on the road and then of course we've obviously well-documented how kind of the end of the homestand and didn't seem to be exactly a happy time for this team. I think these players already. We're looking forward to the break kind of the end of the home stand. Now it'd have to imagine they really. They just want to be done with hockey for a while. Yeah and that was one of the questions that we had kind of asked you know in the last couple of days was you know is just coming at the right eight time. Are you more looking forward to the mental break or the physical aspect of it. I think everybody just you know everybody in that locker room. Basically basically said we need a break. You know anytime you get a break. It's good but I think especially just now you know. Yeah they've got some bumps and bruises guys like Gordon. Carlson and cody glass. Obviously out and you know getting closer to return but I think everybody just needs to go clear their head right now. It's been. It's been a crazy he week. I mean even Peter Towards talked about it. He didn't even have a suit in Ottawa. I mean he was down in Florida and like shorts and flip flops. Walking around you know with his family looking at condos potentially the boss on there you know. He didn't have skates stick. He showed up like twenty minutes after the the morning. Skate on Thursday I mean it's just for everybody involved. It's just been a complete and utter whirlwind for you know the last week or so so I think everybody just needs to you know Kinda like I written scattered to the wind. Get away from hockey for a little bit. You know whether that's with family girlfriends. You Know Bamdad. Whoever it is I think everybody just needs to kind of get away and resetting as far as this coming at the right time? Yeah I mean I don't I can't imagine adjutant being a better time. And and all that and you know the other side of this and I'm sure we'll talk about it is is the stuff that Peter Bore. Now has a chance to sit down with has been coaches Ryan. Craig Ryan McGill going coach. Dave Trier and and really kind of just you know set some things out. Get a plan going forward forward. Get on the same page. How they're going to kind of handle things you know for the last thirty games here? Peter talked about you know they. They were fortunate when he he came in and they had some practice time during this road trip when they come out of this week they started back the back so boom right away two games. They'll have that Thursday when everybody's Kinda just coming back and getting their legs and things like that so I don't know how much they can really do there. But as far as you know really being able to implement and things and and all that sort of stuff that's kind of been what this week has been about. He he talked about wanting to sort of plant seeds and things like that put some things in their minds. So that's thinking about our little bit over the next nine days and then when they come back I think we'll start to see a little bit more of a pure divorce stamping kind of fear prints. It's all over the team. Yeah they have one practice before that back to back against Carolina in Nashville. So you would anticipate a lot of board work for Peter de Board during that practice. Yeah and I just want to underscore before we get into the specific on I.. Stuff you know when we talk about how much oil and this has been for the players It's probably even whirlwind as you mentioned for Peter Deboer to not just because you know he thought he was lining up a Condo in Florida but then all of a sudden he's got a fly to Ottawa. He scrambling and you know. He claims that the deal with the nights kind of happened within twenty four hours whether you believe that fully or not is up to you because I think they're certainly early reasons to be skeptical there but no matter what I think it's fair to say it probably did happen fast. And then all of a sudden Peter deboer has to learn basically twenty-three guy is on his roster and how they play who fits well together. He doesn't know probably any of those things. I sue me as a good idea because he knows I'm sure the lines were in the playoffs. The last two years. I'm sure he studied those meticulously at the time. But it's of course a different animal when you're the one that has to choose how to deploy those lines and you're making tough 'cause like oh I don't have William Carlson for the first time ever as Goldeneye. He's hurt and I have to decide who's going to kind of play that spot you know. These are all tricky things that Peter Divorce had to learn on the fly to so I'm sure he's going to spend multiple days of this by week. You know you mentioned getting with assistant coaches out. Assume he's going to rewatch these last three games the knights played over and over just to Kinda remember okay. This is what I liked this guy. This is what I like head of this guy. This is where I might tweak my lines a little bit when we're coming back from break and all that because I'm sure for him in the team I mean these last three games are just drinking water out of a firehose where there's so much information coming on. Both sides where Peter Divorce trying to impart couple system tweaks just to get them thinking about it and then the players meanwhile are constantly kind of giving Peter to bore you know information about them in terms of who works well with who who likes to play a certain way in the offensive zone in the defensive zone. So there's I'm sure information overload on both sides which I'm sure they'll come back and compare notes when they get back from break. Yeah it's it's kind of an interesting you know. One of the things that he said right away was that he was gonNA use those those three games kind of before the break up to Ottawa. Ottawa Montreal Boston kind of mainly as observation. He wanted to kind of see and learn. Kinda put it out there. You know he didn't expose explicitly say at the tryout essentially essentially but you know he kinda Kinda said let's you know show me what you have so in in that sense. I think like you mentioned. He's putting probably really go back. Watch those three Games James then NC. He's also leaned really heavily on. You Know Assistance Ryan McGill Ryan. Craig terms of the Line of you know. Kind of WHO SKATES WELD altogether. Who's got some building chemistry? And that sort of thing I I would imagine one line that we will continue to see is the Stassen eastone patch already line. But I wouldn't be surprised after that if we kinda see all sorts of shakeup. If you know I mean maybe he doesn't do anything maybe he's kind of locked in with you know. Those are the the twelve or thirteen fours but once Carlson gets back. Once cody glass gets back. It'll be interesting to see how he deploys certain people you L.. Maybe cody I would imagine you can have the same issues in terms of you know centers and wear glasses. Where does cody eakin fit? And you know all that sort of stuff that we've kind of seen you know all throughout the year but another thing that's kind of interesting to with all of this is that if there's one team aside from maybe a San Jose that Peter knows well around this league. It's the nights because of how many times they've met you know in the regular season the last couple of years obviously to playoff series. So He's you know from the other side of things a scouting point of view. And and all that he certainly broken them down and I think has a has has a pretty good idea of what he's got in the room. I would imagine though you know within the last game. He's probably seen some things he didn't expect. You know maybe good and bad and and certainly one of the good I think that jumps out is is she theodore and at least in the first two games the way he was deployed and and really kind of leaned on heavily. I mean he played almost twenty nine minutes in that game in Montreal which was a career high and after we're kind of asked him about you know the ice time Puteh Board joked while you know. That's the brand Burns Eric. Carlson rule that. If they're down three nothing shape Theodore's GonNa play that much and she. He called him an elite defencemen so that might be one of the changes that we see going forward in terms of personnel. Certainly Petersburg hasn't been afraid you know when he was in San Jose to kind of rely on on at least five defensemen and if that six one got seven minutes or so you you know that that was kind of a regular thing. We'll see things kind of veer toward that certainly in the Boston. Game the Nate Schmidt Brayden mcnabb pairing was the one that was matched up against the bruins. Pop Line so we're kind of. I think it's going to be situational. But Yeah for Peter Deboer I think you know have these days and and really sit down there really kind of come up with a game plan. I think is is going to be key for him. Yeah totally I think it's going. It'd be really interesting to see kind of what his takeaways were from those three games even more than what you just mentioned there. And he's going to have his work cut out for him to and he better hope that some of its changes work because as we're talking the nights ultimately went one two in one on their four game trip trip before thereby week that's three out of a possible eight points eighteenth in point percentage in the NHL. They're currently in the second. Second Wildcard spot of the Western Conference. They are three points ahead of the Winnipeg jets but the jets have two games in hand. So still I mean. It's still a very precarious position for the nights While certainly circumstances have been against the war in terms of he had to join the team on the road and everything in some far away cities it is as I mentioned Ottawa Montreal Boston who has said before Boston's one of the best teams in the League. So he's not set up for success necessarily right away. Hey but it certainly hasn't been this big jolt that he's given the night's either so let's talk about some of the ways that he's going to try to get a jolt after the break. You mentioned mixing up. Maybe how it deploys. His defensive pairs kind of leaning more on the top guys. And maybe shielding some of the bottom guys. We've seen Derek England's ice time drop. I think quite significantly gently the last three games and with how the night's Blue Line is kind of structured right now in terms of you know you've got I would say three clear-cut guys in Brayden mcnabb engagement Shea Theodore and three guys that are clearly a step below them after that. Maybe that's not the worst thing in the world but the other thing that I thought was interesting testing from the first couple of games is that Peter Deboer who has always been known as a good special teams coach or has teams at the very least have had special teams has made some tweaks on the penalty. Not Killed Dave. What can you tell us about what he's doing on the penalty? Kill right now. Yeah that and the players have even said. That's probably the biggest you know tweak or change that they've undergone so far in terms of short period of time and and what he can actually kind of come in and do so the easiest way to say it I guess or maybe describe it is I somewhat in terms of basketball. I guess The win win when Jar Gland and Mike Kelly were. Were there running the ninth penalty kill. They weren't very aggressive up the ice with at least one four checker kind of pressuring pressuring. You know the puck high up and they were trying to basically kind of disrupt things created turnover greatest shorthand and chance just kind of never ever let the other teams power play kind of get into a rhythm similar to I guess like a full court press in basketball. What Peter to bore is done done is basically instead of sending that that first four checker in pressuring the Puck high is? He's got everybody Kinda back along the Blue Line. It's almost more of like. Let's let's say a three quarter court press as opposed to a full court press so you basically kind of got guys lined up along the Blue Line and what they're doing instead of challenging high it's challenging basically the zone injury as as the PUCK carrier Kinda gets the Blue Line either trying to carry your dump. That's when the nights are are are really sort of challenging and then once the puck gets into though once the power play sort of setup. The nights are a little bit more passive in the zone kind of keeping the shape keeping box. They used to have one chaser on top but but they usually were were not as aggressive in zone. And that's where Puta Boras Kinda anthem. The pressure it's not up the ice. It's in the zone and the nights are challenging when the Puckett's along the wall there's certain kind of pressure points when the puck gets it's chew certain people in certain spots so your cue to to really attack and they're much more. They're much more aggressive. I guess you could say within the zone and certainly in Boston it seems. Throw the Bruins power play which is ranked number three in the League for all kinds of problems. They were the the nights at least five for five. They gave up one shot on hugh power plays in the first period. Actually a pretty good one by posture. Knock then the next two. They held the bruins without a shot on goal. It ended up being. They gave up three shots on goal in the five and only kills which. I think they would take every single time especially against a team like Boston. It kept them in a game because that game for sure could've got out of hand really early if they give up one or even two power-play goals so I think you know again that's the biggest change and we'll kind of see something's going forward by Peter. Divorce Teams in San Jose and and historically have always been good on the penalty. Kill two nights. Were good for the first couple of months and then have really struggled. You know the last month plus in especially in in twenty twenty. So that's that's the one area. Where at least immediately? We've seen the impact. I think there's six her last sixty killed one in Montreal. They killed the five in Boston. They had given up at least one power play goal in seven previous games before that so at least in terms of small sample size. We we've seen a difference and and we'll see how that kind of continues going forward. I guess yeah no you would anticipate I mean. Obviously they're gonNA throw a posing teams scouting report really early Liane when they're making this change but I mean devore's I guess penalty kill system is certainly proven effective. The sharks are number one in the penalty. Kill this season they they have been The fourth best in the league since two board was hired in two thousand fifteen so kind of over the long term this has proven to be a methodology that works. And we'll see you've how quickly the nights can end up adapting to because as you said it's kind of the opposite in two different aspects from what the nights were doing in terms of what they are doing before the puck guide in the offense zone for the opposing team and then after the puck was in his own or two very different things. So it'll be interesting to see you know what ends up becoming of that and you know who knows maybe Peter to board decides to kind of switch up his penalty kill units to because he thinks certain guys are adapting better to it than others. There's there's kind of so much on the table right now. which is both interesting? And you know you never know how it's going to go for the nights because obviously just speaking from a personal perspective and I'm sure you feel the same way Dave we've been used to a certain way of things for two and a half years. Now I mean the night's I have run basically the same systems outside of the defensive zone. tweak that we talked about a lot in that November game against the national predators. They run the the same drills in practice. They kind of conduct themselves the same way everything kind of had. It's routine a now all of a sudden that's all out the window for both us. Listen obviously much more than us the players and so it'll be interesting to see how they handle that disruption because I mean we know this very well. Dr Glenn was very well liked in that locker room players liked playing forum. They liked having that kind of set routine. They liked knowing where they stood with him. And that's honestly something that Peter deboer is well known for as well but having it come from a different guy than the guy that you know you really latched onto. When you first I came to the nights I'm sure is going to be an adjustment for everyone and before we go we should also mention that drug land has spoken just briefly about Out His firing he told the journal Pioneer newspaper in Prince Edward Island where George Glenn is his home. That's where he kind of goes in the off season. That's where he was expected to go after coaching the All Star game this year which of course he will now not be Rick Talkative. The Arizona coyotes has taken his place but basically said yeah. He was disappointed and and surprise. He understands of course that the hockey business can get a little crazy. Sometimes I think he knows that better than anyone else. Based on the way he was fired in Florida uh as well and the famous photo of him getting into a taxi cab after being fired by the panthers. But I mean there's just a lot of change going on very quickly here it'll be interesting to see how the night's adapt and how you know Gerard Glut adapts to to kind of his newfound unemployment though I mean Adam and I both talked about it and I'm sure you feel the same way that he's not going to be unemployed for long. No I'll let me go back to something real quick and then I'll I'll get back to. Turkey is just wait till you see a practice. It is totally different. I mean the in. I don't mean this in terms of like better or worse or or anything like that and and and again maybe it's just kind of situation because you know one of the things Peter to Board said was that he wanted to kind take it slow and then right away. He realized that with this group that they're able to kind of digest a little bit more and he's kind of giving them a little bit more and a little bit more each each time than than he had expected to at the start but the practices are so different than I mean. We are so used to showing up and they do line Russia's start and we write it down and we tweet it out and maybe see the defensive bears and then they kinda run through their drills and you know maybe we do a couple of things or whatever I mean no line Russia's at the start those kind of come in the middle e- even the way that the line Russia's are done are are completely different and then this is the other thing too that I really noticed is at least kind of the last couple of practices is how much situational work doc. There's been I if if there is an issue say that shows up in the previous game. They've been working on it where I think. When you're glance sort of ran his practices? I think a lot of it was done behind the scenes. We didn't see a lot of like situational work in terms of okay if the penalty kill struggling. Well let's go work on for a half an hour you know if this is you know an area we need to do fix or something. I don't like you know let's go work on it. We didn't we didn't see that a a lot would would charge gland practices. I think a lot of it was done kind of video and in given to the players in a different way at least for the first couple practices. This is elise for the first week. Puta Board has been out there and kind of saying look. We need to work on this particular. You know thing in the defensive zone on the weak side defensemen and rotating and whatever and he puts them through it for five ten minutes. So that's been the biggest change. As far as Juerg land goes and and kind suture. Yeah I I think everybody around. The League was was generally surprised. Five firing and I think everybody's still maintains you know high regard hard for drug land. We'll we'll see kind of where he lands that he will absolutely one hundred percent land on his feet as long as he wants to coach and he said he did you know or that he that he does Detroit to obviously a natural link because of his connection there having been a player having been a lying meat of general managers visor men. Certainly we've heard Potentially Seattle being a possibility and have heard you no me neither one or two teams. I'll I'll keep the you know. The rumor mill quiet. I won't I won't name anything else other than than those. You know the two obvious ones. I don't WanNa start anything up But I would imagine that you know wing Jar. Glante wants to coach again that that he's certainly will. Yeah and I think it's interesting that you bring up the practice stuff to because yeah it's important to note that enjoy our glance going to be in demand so it's not like the way he ran. His practices was wrong necessarily and he's he's a good coach. Peter devore's I mean obviously by track record also a really good coach. The nights clearly must feel that they're making king some sort of upgrade by switching from two to four or they just feel like they just needed something different because this obviously is a veteran team with a lot a lot of guys on big contracts and Marc Andre Fleury. I think said it best is you can't basically change out the roster that much it's underperforming you. The only thing you can do or at least the easiest easiest thing to do is change at the coach. So that's what the nights did. Yeah I think that's probably the best way to kind of you. All this in my eyes is you. You know there's a couple of different ways when you feel like a team needs a jolt. which is what Kelly mckerman basically came out and said that they just felt like you know? They're underachieving they didn't want the seasons. Kinda go by the wayside. I think they understand that their their window here is pretty narrow. You know mark. Laundry flurry is thirty. Five You know they got some players that maybe maybe won't be here next year and things like that. Certainly the core you know is intact but I think they they feel like they did not want to let a chance go by and if they needed a spark jolt something. There's there's only a couple of ways to do that not really you can kind of shake things up on a roster. You know maybe send somebody down to the minors the way that. Let's say Boston did with David Bacchus Just to Kinda get everybody's attention but I don't know that there's a natural candidate on the nights to really kind of do that. You know I I think back to the first year when they sent down Jason Garrison sending kind of buried like a three point something million dollar salary down there and everybody kind of went. WHOA I don't know that there's really a guy like that so I don't know that that was an option option to would be to make a major trade? That's hard to do. It's yeah I mean I think the nights are going to be busy here over the next month I would expect them to go after defensemen Either somebody like a clear the front of the net or somebody. WHO's a mover? I think there's a couple of different ways that they could go without depending on who's available but trades aren't easy easy to do with especially when you're trying to do something significant and it might take you know a pretty familiar name. I guess off your roster to get something like that done. I don't know for sure but maybe kill him a criminal George mcphee hands or a little tied at the moment in terms of being able to pull that off off and so the third option that that you can look at is the coaching change. And we've seen it around the league I it's common kind of throughout hockey. I think Just about every level you know to to see coaches go and and in those situations I mean what jerk lent the ten long tenured coach National League having. He was the longest tenured coach Pacific Division. There's only a handful of guys really have that have been around in the NHL the last four or five years. I guess says coaches and beyond third year kind of seems to be that magic number I guess than in a Lotta ways certainly drug land. He's never lasted past. You know his his third year with with any of the the three franchises that he's coached so I think Calima criminal George mcphee kind of looked at it and said you know if we're going to do something this this is. This is what we can do. This is the way that we can go and certainly bringing in the coach of Of your biggest rival is is definitely going to be a shock to the system system for everybody. Yeah we'll see what kind of results that shock produces. As I said the night just finished off their four game road trip one two and one they are one one one under new coach Peter to board they still got some ground to make up in the standings to feel confident about not only their changes to make the playoffs CBS but to do some damage in the playoffs. But we'll break all that down later when we talk to you guys next. I'll of course be heading out on the road in about a week to head to that Carolina Nashville back tobacco. It'll be my first time to watch. Peter deboer practice and talk to the coach himself. And I'm excited about that. But in the meantime make sure to a follow day of David Shane. VR Jay on twitter. He will be at the All Star game in Saint Louis hanging out with the lone representative Max Patch already so there should be some good stuff. There make sure to obviously see all of day's work at review journal Dot Com. 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"Golden edge presented by e._s._p._n. Sports mobile from station casinos what is up everyone golden ed podcast time once again. It's the off-season but not for us and not for you know you're very very interested in what is going on with the golden knights so we are here to update you on all things happening. In the off offseason adam hill ben goats here with golden podcast. Thanks for tuning in. Thanks for doing a each and every time you do so share it like comment. Subscribe whatever you do where where you find your podcast. Just keep it going keep finding us with these golden eh podcast and don't forget golden age podcast presented by s._d._n. Sports mobile from stations casinos so we appreciate them. We appreciate you it. Is that time to jump right into the golden knights off season for you and i didn't ask you how you're doing because i know how oh you're doing your great because you were at the award show last night. All the stars are out. You know alex trebek's. I saw alex rebecca. We was like five looks good by the way in remission currently looking pretty good to hear jeopardy james was there you know jeopardy. You know we could do the whole podcast on jeopardy james. I i'm obsessed with jeopardy james as a jeopardy contestant fascinating his awkward also very fascinating to me. I find him just endearing because he's so self deprecating and also because he changed his profile picture to weird weird al yankovic iconic music video. I lost on jeopardy saw. The immediately endeared me to him. He was there jon hamm was there of course keenan thompson doing bits on the mandalay bay events center stage even get to the biggest celebrity yet another. You mentioned keenan. Where do they find cal. I that was awesome. What has he been. I'm doing but hey we do. They got john krasinski in jennifer fisher of skype to do some bits for the opening video. That was awesome to see. Jim and pam fight gymnast eaten peanut butter on his couch lamenting. The bruins lost in the final. I will also say that a gym bringing roy to game seven epic news is one of the greatest throw in in sports history. I was blown away. It backfired hard. I mean they lost. I don't think it had anything to do with the loss. I don't know it's tempting fate out. He was trading on very dangerous ground. I'm just happy to see jimmy roy. We'll hang out. Bury the hatchet. Be friends again. No pepper spray involved hopeful very much in the weeds of the office right now but that's okay. That's the office is a big story line in the in the finals but a fun award show last night. Maybe not the best four mark stone though the in the fiji case star one of the really the only nominee for major award last night from the golden knights did not come through he did not win. The selke did not break the streak for wingers not winning but certainly a fantastic defensive season for mark zone. One of the best defensive forward leaks aren't when he was voted the number two yeah i mean he led the league takeaways with one hundred twenty two. That's the fourth highest total in history and even if he didn't break the winger drought he was still the first winger to be nominated. It'd be a finalist since two thousand seven. He finished the highest. Anyone has ever finished as the runner up <hes> since two thousand and three and so i think it was still a good showing from him in an award. It's really tough for wingers to crack just because centers are just considered the position that requires more two way play they obviously obviously take faceoffs and honestly he lost to a pretty good player in ryan o'reilly who has been just an incredible week best week ever prob. He was was like over the moon at the podium after winning that award i mean he's got a fantastic beard. He already had that golan from but still want to point it out. Helps the blues when the stanley the cup after scoring goals in like four straight final games which is incredible and he got out of buffalo got out of puff low. That was this week but certainly legit. Let's say i was starting to lose. My love of hockey. Playing in buffalo said it was real sad but it's a good turnaround story wins the consummate as playoff m._v._p. And of course wins the selke trophy so i think it's hard to argue that rhino rally wasn't deserving. He certainly incredible player but he did have a lot a lot of high praise for mark stone afterwards so i think we should listen to that right now. See what he does on medically affects the game extremely tough to play way gunston yeah yeah sometimes except for you know he's not deserve to be pierre. He's amazing flair before they ask admire watching gets your it's tough you won't so there's ryan riley on mark stone and we have certainly sung the praises of mark stone since he came over <hes> mid season. You got to see you kind of up-close everybody knows the reputation and sees the stats and everything else i think seeing him day-to-day practice and <hes> you know just every night as he goes out and competes in does what he does out on the ice <hes> we were all very impressed i think with <hes> even more so than just him on paper <hes> just what he does and how it contribute to a game and he'll be here we think <hes> for a long time here in las vegas for the fans to appreciate his too game and maybe he will even break that drought route for wingers at some point when winning the selke in one of these years i would think so at some point i mean he's clearly got a ton of respect from the voters so we have to get to some of the other just random random nights voting bits from last night which i found a lot of these hilarious but i mean to start with mark stone finish twelfth in the heart voting so he's the twelfth finished twelfth for m._v._p. Marjorie flurry finished seventeenth but clearly stone is obviously thought of really highly by the voting public abuse finishing twelfth you know consider the twelfth best player in the league flurry finished fourth in the vezina voting also for best goaltender which is a career high for him still has never been a vezina finalists finalists in his career which is fastening all sorts of reasons but this year of all the years being his best finish is very bizarre czar <hes> flurry obviously good season but it was not a great season made his goals against average and his save percentage kind of middle of the pack bruce career and he certainly when we had that cold stretch about the second third of the season where he had a lot of rough starts in a row finish very well but it was a weird to see him finish that high wasn't voting works in all the major sports. This is no different this is this is a <hes>. His wins were very impressive presser because he played a lot and for much of the year he was leading the league in minutes played and <hes> right up there and win so i mean that was that was part of it and i think it's a reward reward for last season. I mean he wasn't really is good of a season as he had. He missed half the year with injuries. It wasn't really you know maybe as high as he could have finished if you would have been able to play the year here so it's kind of reward for that and you know kind of paying him back for <hes> for what happened last season i mean i think we see those things happen all the time and voting but it is very interesting that if you look at his numbers on paper. I don't think if his name's not marc andre fleury. I don't think he's finishing fourth in the president's. Yeah probably not some other voting notes william carlson and finished seventeenth for the south. I think you know that sounds about right. I would not be surprised if he becomes a bigger candidate for that award moving forward in his career. He's very good defensively absolutely and then the lady being voting which is the weirdest award of the night because <hes> the best description. I can apply to most gentlemanly player nicest person person exactly it's so weird weird award. You'd be a lady being finalised pro. I would hope so would respect <hes> my fellow competitors. There's on the ice. I'd be like marcus stroman. Anyone saw him. <hes> you know trolling mike trout by offering him compliments of the other day from the mound that was great good withdrawals like what i would do <hes> but <hes> alex tuck nate schmidt william carlson peer edward belmar and marc andre fleury all got votes for this <hes> nate schmidt. It's hilarious korea to me that people would try to vote him in for this i get that he's a nice guy and he stupor great with us the media he got suspended for twenty games. I know that there's a lot of debate and fans probably have opinions on whether that was deserved or not but the fact of the matter is for a guy who has got suspended twenty games aims to be up for a sportsmanship award pretty fun but also maybe a commentary on how people feel about the testing program. I don't think people are thinking deeply. The about it like nature mitt nice guy this guy. We'll put them there now. There should be like an opposite of the leading. I would love that then. I would at at least have a chance to have a hockey aware that i could win. It would be a great avenue for more ryan reeves of andor cain trash-talking as they try to one up each other when win that award feel like i mean cain might be up there but i feel like reeves. I don't think fighting makes you jerk no but i think he's he would lean into of that. If there was an award true for that ryan riess knows how to put on a show for us so i think he would very much lean into being the heel and try to you know get get some award recognition. It'd be tough to tom wilson tom walls it would be he's got such a lead. At this point credible lead he would he would have like a dynasty. They'll be awesome it would they would name the award after it'd be the tom wilson. I don't know what the opposite of the lady thomasson trophy. I guess whatever lady brings husband was accused probably real jerk lady. I don't know i don't know enough. Gentlemen big my history yeah so we could we could figure that out at some point <hes> <hes> what the award will be but we need to come up with award for the biggest jerk also with the lady big barker j flurry got boats remember his whole ice wall fiasco where that was technically like illegal legal and that's true. I like very minor funny. It was buried larry there but i think you're right. I don't know that i think he was like it was a joke joke but he kinda hope it worked. Oh he definitely was hoping that were right so that's like all right. Actively tried to flout the rules like once again. Marc andre fleury super nice guy like <hes> even around town. I witnessed him doing some very nice things this offseason really yes <hes> <hes> but you know try to try to circumvent the rules. They're a little bit. I'm just saying lady being voters. Let's pay attention. I think your your critique of the leading voters in them not paying enough attention to what's going on is. I think that's that's next level analysis for years. Yeah yeah you should you should actually make like a lady being watch and make sure that everybody knows like hey. These things are happening like don't vote for these people. The the problem is is probably what i vote next year. People are then like heavily dissect my picks and i totally understand voters being like. I have no idea what this award is. I would much rather breakdown. Who's the best defenseman then who's the most gentlemanly player. I think that's what's more important. I think you're going doing you know in the only serious note like not. It's not serious guest one of the things that kind of was hinted at times. This season was was that the golden knights were too nice like there was not that polarizing figure in the locker room that james neal kind of provided not that he's a jerk but that he was kind of the sandpaper of like hey guys not everything is going well and i'm stealing fragrance already but not everything's going well right now like let's go in the guy that kind of was the you know the the the voice of like the toughness of you know hey not everybody can be friends all the time and be happy and joyful like there's gotta be somebody <hes> to to be that jerk until again. Everybody's his face in the golden. Knights might not have had that necessarily now. They've got what five guys finishing in the voting for lady bang up here belmar first place vote so shout <music> out <hes> whoever really liked how conducts himself he is a very nice. She was very nice when he came in with our absolutely those goals so <hes> yeah that that we that is now next year here. That's the most important award we are focused more watch over the whole season. That's going to be running. <hes> running watch share on the podcast. I think monitoring who the nicest players the league for who's going to be there for the lady bang well. The awards are done that means. It's time to move on to off season things that will actually affect next year. The awards are kind of like the official ending of last season. You had the stanley cup final you know they celebrate with trophy and the blues get to go party and drink including david <unk> shirtless in a club which is still hilarious s. here for it <hes> so that's not and then the awards kind of wrap up the season and now it is right into next season that starts with the draft so the golden knights preparing going for the draft up in vancouver around one is friday the rest of the draft who through seven on saturday <hes> nine picks for the golden knights and maybe more depending on what kind of <hes> you know wheeling and dealing done in the next you know twenty four to forty eight hours so <hes> and we are taping this on thursday with the draft friday <hes> nights as i said nine picks all in the first five rounds so it's going to be a lot of activity for the golden knights here as they look to the future yeah. I'm really interesting the see how much maneuvering they do around the board because nine picks is a lot now. They're still trying to build out the depth of their foreign system but i'm interested. Take try to package some of those picks. All of them are in the first five rounds to try to move up to get someone that really targeting. Obviously this is also the time where you really we have to look are. They gonna trade any guys on their n._h._l. Roster to free up cap room is this the time of colin miller or co ican looks get moved or perhaps someone else we know they're in a cap'n crunch already projected to be over the cap and the cap might even be less than we were projecting. Everyone said eighty three million basically basically for the entirety of twenty nineteen and then all of a sudden this past week there rumblings out of the porta governors meeting. Maybe it'll be more like eighty to eighty one and a half left and if you're the nights and you're already like up against the limit that's huge if you lose out on an extra million dollars space to try to get a william burleson resigned. Try to get an akita gustave was also a restricted free agent resigned or you've got unrestricted free agents like their gangland peer edward belmar and and ryan carpenter and especially fascinating me now that kevin hayes has signed with the philadelphia flyers for seven point one million dollars a year setting the market because if you are william carlson or william carson's agent you're not rubbing your hands and saying well or definitely asking for seven million dollars a year. Take beckett line center and that's really gonna put the golden knights in a bind this weekend. If that's what it's gonna take to retain william carlson so we'll see see how much yet maneuvering they do in this draft if they stay at seventeen which is where they're projected pick in the first round. There's a number of different directions. I what's going on our colleague. Dave shane will actually be in vancouver so make sure to follow him at at david shane l._v. jay on twitter <unk>. I know i gotta give a shout as far i i literally like he went to vancouver in june which i can't imagine as a fun trip so he does love. You are incorrect about that. My friend okay dude is the perfect time harm to go to vancouver. The weather is fabulous. It's an incredible city first of all. I'll even i'll go. There and december even want it snowing in june. It's the best time of year they're all right well. I <hes> you're going on vacation. The kids a city. I have no regrets about what you're going to rip on vancouver. June is a great time all right well. I i hope dave enjoys. This is unacceptable. I'm taking my lady bingoed away from you. You're not you're not allowed to determine i've ever been there. I don't know yet you you. Oh you should need. You definitely need to go and i would highly recommend going in june. I think that's why the draft is there. Everybody wants to go there. It's perfect. It's a lovely time of year up there. I'd i can't even i can't even deal with his nonsense of the <hes> anyway. I don't know why that first of all that was way excessive. I didn't know how to transition in and i decided that i don't even know what's going on. Vic versus a very nice place. Thank you very clearly very nice place. I am apparently definitely really wrong. Definitely hit a sore subject. I've really did great now dave there. I hope he enjoys it a intricacy what he reports on this weekend that they got a lot of options at seventeen <hes> the most hilarious wants to me are one of the top goaltender strapped. His name is spencer night. The puns right themselves. It's a question of one whether he gets to seventeen because he's kind of the top rank goalie in this class and then to do actually draft a goalie that high. It's obviously a bear mental mental position. It's really hard to project. How guys are going to handle adversity and stuff me. Literally just like the stanley cup final jordan beddington or the st louis blues went through waivers twice twice not once but twice every team the n._h._l. Had a chance to take jordan bennington in the past so it's an incredibly hard opposition to project so it's a huge risk if you try to draft a goalie in the first round <hes> also available ryan suzuki if that name sounds familiar his brother knicks zucchini was one of gold nights a first round draft picks two years ago and then got traded in the max patch ready deal so it'd be real rough for that family to see george mcphee name on the caller i._d. Again but i was hilarious her trade him. What are you doing. It would be that would be very interesting and and i think it's it's what you look at is hey. There's a ton of guys in ended so difficult to project how the n._h._l. Draft is gonna go. I think you try to look more at what the needs are and where would what areas you think. The nights are gonna draft in <hes>. I expect them to go fairly forward heavy because you know as much as you know the blue line is a need <hes> at the n._h._l. Level they've got a ton of talent in-depth coming up <hes> with defensemen in the system forwards they are set for the next couple of years <hes> with their forwards but you need developmental guys as well coming up self respect to go forward and goalie is certainly an area of need. I mean right now. Flurry is <music> getting older. He's thirty four hundred thirty. Five and su benz a restricted free agent. They've got some talent that they like in the system but i would expect them to to add a goaltender into the mix and then <hes> as i said look forwards but i think i think with the draft with the way the their n._h._l. Roster said especially with all the young talent they really can can afford go for just best player available yeah. I think that's what they should do. I mean we've already seen it happen with the nights. Is you take the best player available you try to build their value and then you try to get something out of that. Whenever way you can yeah so for the nights already. We've seen them take eric brainstorm and take you know nick suzuki and even though they didn't play a game aim for them in the n._h._l. They got value out of those picks because they develop them and other teams coveted those assets then gave up good players to get them from the nights so he could see them do that again. Even though they are fairly stacked on the blue line at least the age level i could still see them taking like a thomas harley. Who's projected to go kind kind of around where the nights are picking. He's a really good offensive defenseman. That's seventeen years old right now or there's a guy like peyton. Crabs would be afford that i think could work for them. He's he's a little bit smaller but i like his game. He got hurt at the end of the year so that's gonna make it tough to project him. He was also hunter really really really bad. Juniors team which makes tough to project how you would do with you know more competent players <hes> sorry to the western hockey league's kootenai in eighteen. I don't even think i pronounce that right but i could see either. Those two guys is potentially fits. Are those all those minnesota guys whenever you're pitching guys. I just assume they're minnesota. Guys take their oath from canada okay well. That's basically just now tireless from syracuse northern minnesota. Maybe there's a alex tuck connection there too. We'll we'll monitor what they're doing in the draft but i think a far more pressing note for fans right. Now is draft draft. The initial draft is different than <hes> than football or or basketball in that. It's more like baseball. Where you're gonna draft is that maybe are under team three four five years from now even more than that <hes> so people are very interested right now in with how the roster's going to shake out what they're gonna do it free agency because there's not really really a whole lot of options right now as we said they thought the cap was gonna be about eighty three point one it looks like it might be round even as low as eighty one point five if it is up around eighty two point one or so like that that that that little bit of money actually does make a big difference when you're trying to figure out exactly how to navigate things so there's lots of rumors out there there of potential trades for the golden declare some cafes colin miller certainly been talked about for much of the off season as is cody eakin a guy who makes money but you're not really sure where he fits coming off a really really really good season. You would expect him to have pretty good value. <hes> there's been a lot of players mentioned <hes> pretty much like stone and flurry are like the only two guys that i haven't seen pretty locked in some sort of trade <hes> but it will be very interesting to see what they do. The latest <hes> it started yesterday started circulating circulating around twitter and in a radio interview that johnson did about sports net you know pretty reliable guy <hes> of patrick eddie and staff new being on the block <hes> it makes sense. We've talked a lot about <hes> nikita gustav potentially you know being part of the team and not really being able to be a bottom six four word you wanna put them somewhere in the top six and you have to clear space paddy dot the big deal last year after trading forum got injured a couple of times times and didn't really look to be at the same speed. Maybe that <hes> he has played in the rest of his career. So is he losing a step. Do you get value for them. Are you able to get rid of him in space i don't. I don't know if it's the best way to go. I certainly don't think it's good for us because he's very good <hes> interview and he's talking but that's not what what the team is concerned about. <hes> we will see what they do but i think there's a lot of intriguing possibilities over the next couple days. Yeah i just think you know as they have to explore basically all avenues at this point because as much as george mcafee is kind of reached i think patients with us or at the very least projected a sense of calm about like hey. I'm not worried about the cap but all all of us that are looking at the numbers at least for this upcoming year are saying well. There's a lot to be concerned about and so it's true so are they have to make a difficult decision because you know they traded for patch ready just a year ago. Are you gonna have to ship him out. You know a year later because you kind of didn't play the cap the right way. That's a fascinating question to me kind of moving forward because they've been so extension happy over the past years in terms of locking guys like alex tuck shaef theodore nate schmidt schmidt patriotic got an extension when he got traded to the knights. Marc andre fleury was extended last summer. So are any of these giving these guys raises. You know maybe a year too early. Gonna come back to bite bam this gear. I still get mathies point that all the extensions are probably better for the nights in the long term but this this team has the talent to be a serious cup contender this upcoming season so has he accidentally hamstrung them for next year here with all these early extensions and you know i know people were kind of joking around and around the league. Yesterday i saw a lot of tweets saying how did they go. Oh from taking on a contract david clarkson just to try to get to the salary floor to being the highest cap number in the league over the cabinet is two years and you just kind of explained it like they had all these young players that far exceeded far exceeded expectations and all of a sudden. You need to wrap them. You know wrap them up in contracts and you look around. You're like hey you got. All these guys locked up which is great but there's not a whole lot of flexibility <hes> i think the nights will take it or they are because they've got a lot of players that they really like and they've got eighteen that should contend for a long time but you do have to kind of navigate advocate around the cabinet doesn't help the doesn't say with the cap is or gives you an estimate. That's too high rough. <hes> it's it's not it's not helpful so before the draft and we don't know how much teams spend yet. That's that's problem until the nights might be looking saying like how do we have to get rid of one guy to guys so we try to get picked for these guys like what what's going on. We don't know what the number is. It's a very awkward situation situation for them to be in and really one that doesn't have to <hes> didn't have to happen like delete delete doesn't have to do it like this but <hes> that's something that could be worked out. Maybe with the next acce- b._a. Will <hes> we'll find out how how they work that out but it's not a good situation for the nights right now in terms of the cap but it is good situation for their roster and we'll see how things play out <hes> over the next couple of days there could be some major major moves and i know i know people don't like that because i think you know fans get attached to their players and <hes> they're not used to having major angelique sports around here so <hes> it's it's a tough thing to deal with when you have to tell your kid how your favorite player discussed traded but <hes> to try to deal with that over the next couple of days and i we'll find out who is still with the nights next week which speaking of next week development amp which will be very cool out at city national will see these draft picks are as well some of the younger players <hes> a here working out and <hes> getting scrimmages in next week out at city national and find out who some of those players are when the draft takes place as we said friday and saturday saturday dave up there so follow him on twitter and at review journal dot com for everything that is going on not a whole lot else right now. We're just waiting for <hes> who the draft picks are and how free agency shakes out in the trades and everything else <hes> we'll see what they do in the draft but you who <hes> you did not get to the charity softball game the other day i did not i did it was <hes> it was an experience vk verse the raiders i got to see a lot of i was very impressed with how bad some of the swings were but how much power they had like their pro athlete so even if they haven't swum swing looks horrific. There's some guys mashing the ball. I said jonathan marsh salt nice little homerun showing yeah <hes> but i thought the most noteworthy first of all the raiders <hes> in a game where each run was worth a thousand dollars to charity intentionally walked player with the bases loaded it was jose can take playing for the the golden knights intentionally walked with the bases loaded when the charity gets a thousand dollars for every run respect. I mean just win baby. It's the raiders i the raiders philosophy but that was a little bit questionable vont perfect the raiders <hes> who clearly looked like he wanted to punch the girl that was pitching hitching during the homerun derby. Turn it off. She i in fairness devante perfect. She was struggling but i also think her struggles had a little something to do with him. Standing there like basically threaten her pleats right like come on guy is a charity softball game like what are we doing here. I mean even for hard knocks. Save for the hard to handle with him. I'm i'm kinda with them. 'cause like i would be very frustrated if it's a timed event and she can't get the ball over the plate like come on. Let's go. I gotta i gotta get some swings in here <hes> but that was something i thought the only real significant things it was all fun and games and charity and everything it was great. <hes> everybody drinking everybody on the field drinking the revolt seven five training dale. All the layers were drinking it. He was drinking one in his glove. Love in the field that was a good move had a nice move right. There also had one when he was running running the bases at first base <hes> so everybody was out there sampling but eric howlett the plate again eric allah who missed basically the entire season played and we got to see him test out the surgically repaired knee. So where do we think the nights actually bell on this when eric hollow enough to george mcphee like hey. I want to play in this charity softball game you know. I don't think they were happy happy now but he i'll also say this <hes>. I think this is okay. I mean on on the field. I'm kind of debating like what you heard on the field that you can say whatever i was on the field outstanding near eric how after he hit his inside the park home run which he actually got around the basis pretty well after he scored. It was kind of welcome back to the bench lake. You know that kind of testing like okay. I think i feel like he. He seemed like he was okay but i did hear him talking to some of his teammates <hes> <hes> over on the bench and he said yeah i was. I know you're supposed to hit it. Get a single and then get a pinch-runner. I don't you know i kinda got caught up in the moment and so the plan certainly wasn't for him to try to leg out an inside the park home run. That was just a competitive thing where he's like. I'm going for his next at bat. He did stop at first base in which probably could've been a double stopped at first and then had chance pinch run for him. Which probably was the better move. I think that they're they're much more happy with him. Not running on and let the chance potentially tears a._c._l. Then eric allegation injured again but he looked okay though that good for him you know good from those shown up for obviously a good cause but yeah i have to imagine just george mcphee and climate criminal just like clenching their fists as he goes for second on a inside the park over and then used <hes> the the runs scored was an extra thousand dollars for charity so you got you gotta do if i mean the raiders are going to try to take away money by walking people like you might as well try to get money went scorn on the inside the park home run but that was a cool vets. If for those we're out there. I'm sure you enjoyed it. If you did not go they might try again next year and maybe put some more restrictions on some of the guys running the bases but we'll find out how that all plays out with the golden knights lost in the end they did. They did suffer a comeback win. The blue lead not used to doing that. I guess but ooh as soon as deep too soon. I know he's still got the sharks. Were booed at the awards last night so i don't think fans have forgotten that is true <hes> but yes the the comeback for the raiders as they get victory crowd really didn't seem happy. I think the crowd forgot. The raiders are also las vegas team. <hes> they were very much on the side of educa- and against the raiders in that game other notes that we should get to before we wrap up here we talked last time. We're hearing about the chicago wolves. They're run in the call. Their cup playoffs they fall short short <unk> lose in the final to the charlotte checkers always always a dangerous opponent the checkers you gotta watch out for this checkers <hes> hilarious bit of symmetry here with the <hes> wolves losing in the first round of the playoffs last year making it to the final this year and losing five games whereas whereas the nights made into the final and lost in five games last year and then lost in the first round this year wow really weird. You know i over lapping. I don't know what the right word is. Not a half mode your. I'm really a bad to check your dreaming about the beaches of kansas city awesome great tan. I'm gonna come back looking sell great. I don't think that's true. I don't think there's a possibility of tanning in kansas city. I can still great run for the wolves even though they fell short charlotte was the best team in the n._h._l. Pretty much all year finished with the best regular season record but still obviously a great proving ground for guys like cody glass nick haig who i talked to them on the phone specifically keg before the final and they really seem to be enjoying that whole experience in that team. The early seemed to on together to go on that run so i think if you're the nights that's only positive experience. It's not the stanley cup playoffs of course but it has playoff experience science. They they're battle-tested. They get extra games and cody glass wasn't up until the very end of the season so you really didn't get a whole lot of experience at that level until the end of the year and we'll see how that pays off for him as well well. I think i think it's very valuable <hes> the experience that those guys got in in a championship type of setting and we'll see how that plays out as we said <hes> last couple of things free agency about to kick into full garin again. We don't know how much room they're going to have under the cap depending on what kind of traits that can make us right now. They have no room to really do do anything. It's all about kind of figuring out how to restructure with gustav carlson and figure out how to get there but there are some guys that were going to try to find out about two yeah. We got stood. William carlson restricted free agent. He's probably rubbing his hands together. After kevin hayes deal use have a restricted free agent. Jimmy schuldt who they got at the end of last year as a college agent a restricted free agent. They need re-sign. They've got a couple more restricted. Free agents like tomasz <unk> sudan. They have to make decisions on and then of course the unrestricted guys derek. England is gonna play another year. He says he wants to play another year will win the nights be able to find some sort of agreement. That might be tricky. Especially with the cap situation same with peer edward belmore unrestricted free agent are they gonna have room under the cap to be able to add a fourth line center. Are they going to have to spend so much money in their kind of probably higher priority areas where they'll be none leftover from brand peren carpenter also unrestricted free agents. We'll see see what happens. There is important now that even though they are over the cap right now are they still got david clarkson's contract five point two five million dollars once they place him on long term injured reserve than they can exceed the cap by his cap head so they can go over the cap by five point two five million dollars. That's it helps. They still have a lot of work to do to be able to probably resign all the guys they want to yeah. There's definitely some <hes> some maneuvering and some creativity ativity by the golden front office to try to get some of these deals done. We'll see as you mentioned. I think you know the england. Situation is very interesting because he seems to want to be here and you wanna play again. I and i don't know how he fits with the team especially at his his contract from last year so <hes> does it take. How do they kind of work that out and <hes> we'll you see how this plays out over the next few days as we said as we really kick into the off season for the golden knights draft friday and saturday and then free agency and trading trading season all in full swing after that we'll keep you up to date on everything you know here on the golden edge <hes> make sure you follow dave key is up there in vancouver hoover which i heard from ben is not a great place to be in june. He's wrong. It's awesome. <hes> let dave shane know-how delaware being up in coober david chain elliara on twitter and at review journal dot com all your golden knights news. We'll be back again with you very soon. The golden egg podcast is presented by s._t._n.'s vogue stations casinos for ben goats. I'm adam hill. We'll talk to you guys again very soon. Enjoy the draft.

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Bye bye Blackhawks

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Bye bye Blackhawks

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Journal talks about play Hockey Specifically Second Round playoff hockey because we're going to be discussing today the Golden Knights series win over the Chicago Blackhawks. The last time we talked to you guys we were previewing that series, and now it's over the Golden Knights win that one in five games with a four three win in a game five tonight we're going to break it all down for you I I WanNa remind everyone that the gold niche podcast is presented by Sunday ticket deal dash in favor drinks a favor dot com also. A reminder to read all of our coverage on the Gold Nights at review journal Dot Com, we've got a ton of stuff up there that I think you guys are going to really enjoy I talked to some of the nights broadcasters the other day how they dealt with calling a first round playoff series despite not actually being in the arena in I. Hope you guys check that out. Also reminder to rate review subscribe whatever you guessed due to this podcast. It helps people find us and it is much appreciated. Those of you that have been doing those things all that being said and having all that out of the way. Dave. We are through round one of the playoffs at least as far as the Golden Knights are concerned. They're still actually every team as a record this besides the Golden Knights is still in the first round of the playoffs but my big question for you off the bat are you surprised that we saw actual handshake line last night with guys re literally gripping each other's poems as they're saying, goodbye. I guess not I mean without making this too much into. You know a political statement or anything like that. I mean they've had three straight weeks with no positive tests up there. I think everybody feels pretty confident that they're safe and it's a gold tradition at something that separates the NHL. You know I thought it was kind of funny that pizza or when I asked about in in training camp mentioned the last dance in the NBA and somebody might have pull the the Isaiah Thomas and just walk off the court like the NBA. That baseball have anything. The NFL doesn't how it's a cool tradition at the H. L. has. So I have to admit I was I was glad to see that it was back. Yeah, you know I feel like I'm progressive in modern a lot of areas of my sports consumption, but the handshake line is something that I will stand for I will ride for even though it's a little bit old fashioned I feel like because you get cool moments like yesterday Robin Leonard kind of given a half hug to his former Chicago Blackhawks teammates in a lot of those guys kind of given it back in return and it was just A Nice moment? Not The handshake stuff out of the way let's talk about some hockey. As I mentioned the Golden Knights got to do that handshake line because they finish off the Chicago Blackhawks in five games with a four three victory last night. The Knights of officially won a postseason series for the second time in three years they are the third franchise in NHL history to do that in their first three seasons. Other second round opponent as we're recording this is still very much up in the air because they are the number one seed in the western conference, they basically get to play. The worst t EMA remaining. So that could either be Arizona though they could potentially be eliminated a couple of hours after recording this, it could be Calgary. They are also down in their series they're down three two to Dallas, so both those teams end up getting booted for the playoffs. The nights will play the winner of the Vancouver Saint Louis Series of both of those teams. Pretty Frisky and I think. That's you know one of the more enjoyable series to watch in the postseason far despite the fact that it's on late so much just like the nights were on late last night but overall dave big picture looking at these five games what jumps out to you about how the Golden. Knights ultimately got this done I mean the simple kind of Craig Peruvian Ruby answers they scored more goals than the Blackhawks did. Your and I say that obviously sarcastically, but there's an element of seriousness to that in. Three of the four wins for the Knights were one-goal wins and the fourth win was a game that was two one in the third period and then Rally Smith kind of. Like these were close games that they just in the moments that the series or the game was sort of teetering the nights were better they they got better goaltending early in the series they were deeper they were bigger and I think they showed maybe a little bit of adaptability they showed you can win a game grinding it out. You know playing big and physical heavy hockey, and if you get into kind of a back-and-forth track meet and you WANNA trade chances with them, they can do that and they lost game four obviously but ninety six shot attempts forty nine shots on goal i. think if if you know a different night, maybe Corey Crawford not stopping some of those, maybe a different. Goalie isn't stopping some of those. You'd feel pretty good about the way you're playing. So you know the easy answer is they were just kind of the better team in in the cream sort of rose to the top. I guess in the series will see because we're gonNA talk about this I. Think there was some things that if your pizza bore the staff you definitely. Are excited to go back and correct you know that it wasn't perfect that you've still got things to work on. You can still get better coaches love that sort of stuff. So there's definitely some things that that you can nitpick at, but ultimately you know what? It really came down to the nights where a division winner one of the favorites and the Chicago Blackhawks routine that finished in last place in their division that just kind of showed at the end. Yeah, the Blackhawks class. You know they're happy to be there team, which is fine. I. Mean their overall a young team despite some of their star players and we talked about this going to the series that you know this is a good learning experience for guys like Kirby dock. At vocalist is a guy who is going to learn a lot from this series not all of it positive because he got burned on some of the nights, more crucial goals of you know even out guys like Alex Bring. Or Dominic leak I think you're GONNA learn a lot from their first taste of postseason hockey where the knights obviously have bigger aspirations than just kind of using the playoffs as a learning experience. They're here to potentially lift the Stanley Cup and I think you know as you mentioned that kind of difference in level just showed up throughout this series and now the nights. Will have plenty of time to make some of those corrections that we're gonNA. Talk about too because the first round is not tentatively scheduled to start the second right I should say is not tentatively scheduled to start until August twenty fifth. So it gives them about six days from when they're recording this until they're gonNA play competitive hockey game against another team again. But right now, I want to start diving a little bit deeper into some of the kind of things that you touched on there and some just aspects. The series that we should dig into and number one that of course you mentioned but bears a longer conversation is the goaltending robin letter got these start in game one for the nights, and he also started games two, four and five. So for those keeping track at home in a kind of. Do Or die playoff series. The night started Robin Leonard in four out of five games which I think says, a lot of Marc Andre Fleury started game three and to be totally thirty. Am He was spectacular he gave up one goal which ironically on B.. Oh, not one of the tougher shots he faced that night but overall, he looked just so much better than he did in the round robin against Saint Louis, he was really really good in game three. And I bring this up because I think a lot of fans are still kind of weirded out by this I mean I'm still getting a lot of messages on twitter even just friends text me. I. Don't know about you. You know about people weird it out or just concerned or not happy that Marc Andre Fleury is not starting a lot of these games but for you. Was the way that pizza handled this goaltending situation surprising at all. So. Okay. I'm going to say no by I'm I'm going to admit there were a couple of things at the time that surprised me. One being I was surprised. I was surprised that flurries started game three only because when you look at it on the surface, you just assume, Okay Robin liners hot. He hasn't lost. Why would you bench the guy who's rolling along as you're starting goaltender you have a back to back usually the quote unquote number two guy plays the second game of the back to back. You know you figure. Okay. If it's three nothing for clinches as he feels good about himself, he's involved like it seemed oak you know it seemed like that right scenario but then I thought about a or and act on it and I'm Mike Okay. There were a couple of statements I, think peachable made. Choices on goaltenders throughout that series. Obviously, number one is that he chose Robin Leonard to play game one that he went away from any kind of rotation and gave Robin Leonard. Back. To Back Games he played Colorado in any played game one. I think without saying he's the starter. He declared him the start lots as close as he can do without actually saying it, and then I think there's a couple other statements in there in. The way that he handled the back to back I think is actually one of them because I I think in retrospect what he's saying with that is it was more important for Robin Leonard a play game for that if they were down or if they were up to one. that. He wanted Robin Leonard in that situation to go up three one. Than Make It. To two. and. Or if flurry wins that game, I want Robin Leonard to close it out. And then the other statement I think is that he'd started robin entering game five because like you said, flurry played really well in game three. And Leonard gives up the goal if we're GONNA, start nitpicking in the in the first period of game four, where if we're going to have a whole conversation RV age and and all that sort of fun stuff, we could veer into that but that's a bad goal Matthew Heimer scored from below the goal line. You can't give that up and Robin. Lehner Accepted responsibility for after the game but if you're a coach and you have these two goalies if you're going to pick. You know. Would flurry deserve to start game five in and Pete the? No. I want this man, you know I want Robin. Leonard. Closing it out I want this guy is my starting going he's my number one. And so I I think in looking back it maybe not surprised but I just think there were some some strong statements in there when you read into it as to what the goaltending situation is in. Yeah I got the same texts in tweets from people DMZ. That sort of stuff with what's going on and he said he was gonNA play two goaltenders on all that and well yeah, he did he didn't around Robin and he stuck to his word but right now you know he feels like Ronald Liners the number one goaltender in. His choice in in his selection. Before each game has has shown that. Yeah and to be cleared Peterborough saying that he has to starting goalies that he wants to play both goalies. Because He. Doesn't know what's going to happen. You're not going to say Yeah Robin Leonard Is My guy and Marc Andre can now go click mothballs because what if all of a sudden you know God forbid Robin Leonard Tears, his hamstring or something, and then all of a sudden you need flurry the rest of the postseason and now flurries you know theoretically grumbling a Little bit like well I'm wasn't even the guy and now all of a sudden he's like trying to butter me up and say that I'm a starter like I. Don't like that out that slurry would necessarily act that way because is you know basically always been professional in his career but basically, if your pizza bore, there's no reason to go into A. Press conference in anoint one of these guys your starter. But in this case actions speak louder words and his actions certainly seemed to indicate that he trusts Robin Lehner right now more to help this team when playoff games and get close to the Stanley. Cup and there's plenty of things in Leonard is recent track record both with the nights where he is. Now, seven one with the team with the one loss being when he just face it incredible goaltender at the other end in Corey Crawford in game four, and just the last two seasons because leaner was of course of trophy finalist last year whereas Marc Andre Fleury is coming off a down season for him frankly. So you see the logic nypd bore is. Choosing to go with Robin, Leonard Even. Though fans obviously have this longer history in this bigger attachment to Marc. Andre. Fleury. which is understandable because he was phenomenal that I postseason but you know divorce doesn't have that history. He wasn't here for that run and from what he's seen in his time with the team since January he believes Leonard gives him the. Best chance to win and he doesn't necessarily need to declare that publicly because he is declaring it with his actions in like you said, I, think it was a very strong statement that he stuck with winner in game five I think it was the right decision because you know we've talked about this before, but it's kind of the old you quarterback. Cliche. That teams talk about if you have two quarterbacks, you actually have none because you hurt yourself going back and forth not really just having a guy to take over the team and be able to lead the team effectively if they're constantly competing for that job. So it was a statement by deboer to say, Hey, what Leonard gave up one bad goal in. Game Four but for the most part, he was actually pretty strong game I'm not going to give him the quick Hook for that I'm not GonNa go to the other just because I can. I'm GONNA stick with you know the guy who decided from game one we're GONNA go with and ultimately paid off. Yeah. I'd agree with that and I think I mean. We've talked about this kind of Ad Nauseam in pizza bores mentioned every coach every player like this is so unpredictable you have no idea what's going to happen. We've already seen a game, go five times, and then A- game have to get pushed to the next morning. The so you'd have no clue back to backs in these series, all these sorts of things that never happened in the playoffs you never know when you're going to need a second goalie winning the schedule win circumstances are going to dictate that another guy has to play that somebody needs a break whether it's for you know wear and tear it's for performance whatever it might be I mean so far Robin Lehner hasn't given up more than three goals in a game. So at least in terms of performance right now, you can't say that he deserves to to sit. By. This this whole bobble in in all this there that they're experiencing right now is so unpredictable. So it's a sit there in publicly say, well, this guy's my starter in this guy's my backup or you know well, we're just GonNa ride this guy or something like that like we would crush him in the media if he painted himself into a corner like that. So so like you said been hundred percent agree there's no reason for pizza bore to actually come out and publicly say it but as as you phrase the so what his actions Speak Louder than words. He's made a statement with his choices and and we'll see how it goes going forward but you know it to me it's pretty clear right now. 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Some players that popped off the screen to me at least watching this series, which was the third line which for the most part because of kind of injuries guys come into the lineup was a nick cousins, Nicholas Wa and Alex Talk They played together quite a bit during the round robin and for the most part just didn't seem to kind of click together but they certainly did in this series, Alex Tuck? Actually. Scored the series clinching goal last night early in the third period and he was jokingly called the x factor here by Max batch already but I don't think that's actually a joke like I said his line with a Nick Nicholas Wa was really really good against the Blackhawks. They look like they're Kinda starting to Gel together and I think the proof positive of that was last night pastas draws back into the lineup. and rather than just going back to the third line, he started camp with pizza aboard. That is with Chandler Stevenson Nicholas. Watt. And ALYX tuck he elected to keep cousins on that third line and move Chandler Stevenson to the fourth which, I think shows how much faith kind of starting to have in that group ultimately about the blackhawks, they had a sixty six to seventeen edge shot attempts at Filon vibe when they. Are On the ice they had eight, twenty, seven eight in scoring chances in those are crazy kind of video game like numbers and it kind of shows what we've already touched on, which was the knights of depth was just so much better than the blackhawks step. So I mean, Dave do you think that group is for real or was that just them kind of taking advantage of some easier matchups or doesn't even matter? Well I do too I. do think we have acknowledged that the blackhawks bottom six was their weakness and I do think you know that was a match up that they exploited but good on them. You know because in the past we've we've seen matchups that we've thought Hey, the the Golden Knights third line should be able to this and they haven't done it. So that's maybe the development here. Not maybe what what jumped out with all this is that is that maybe They did finally hit on something maybe they found a trio that's finally clicked. I. Mean. There are some things that I believe in with them one of them is nick cousins the more and more I watch him the more or a Fan I. Am of his game one because I love rats and I are pests and I love guys who are pain in the butt to play against and the funny thing is I don't even think we've seen really that much of. His game in in that sense like we haven't seen him really in a in a bunch of scrums and all that stuff yet I still think that's coming but I think his playmaking in his ability to. Create and drive a little bit of offense on that line has helped. Alex talk in the size that Nick Wall and Alex Tuck bring in the speed. It's hard for teams to to contain that. It's somewhat of an indictment I think cody eakin to be quite honest because Alex tuck played with cody for so much. So long together, and they just never seen to be able to click drive offense and all of a sudden you see him with the different center in you see him with you know some guys who who given the puck in different areas get him the puck with speed through the neutral zone when he can build up a head of steam and all of. A sudden you go. That's the way it should have been the whole the whole time and and so it gives you that belief. It gives you that optimism for the future that maybe they have something he's my biggest question with them is as good as all. These numbers are in shot attempts in what it's Canley finish and we and obviously outside caught the game. Winning goal in the game last night in game five as we're recording this he's got four goals in the postseason tied for the team lead. So I'm not knocking necessarily his finishing ability, but that line as a whole for all the chances that they created in whatever you'd like to see them finish a little bit more the one question I have with with. Them right now but everything that they showed in that series gives you hope that maybe the the night's have a top nine instead of just a top six which they've been striving for for two and a half three years here. Yeah. It's worth pointing out the Tuck school actually came basically the nights were changing and the primary assist actually went to. Jonathan Marsha so. So the line technically really wasn't together on the ice for that goal and they were actually on the ice for a goal against earlier that game because Nicholas while had a turnover. So I think totally fair to point out that they still need to work on finishing a little bit more. I still have a couple defensive question marks to just because you know we've seen a couple turnovers or just kind of rookie mistakes every. Now and then from Nicholas Watt for the most part I think he's been very solid and actually pt deborrah trusted him enough to play him at the end of that game yesterday as the nights were trying to close the game and series out which I thought was really noticeable. But there's still room to grow there and I think as you're talking about cody, can it just made me think of how much more sinked up it? Just feels like this trio's games are with one another compared to you know Alex. Tuck in cody. You can just never seem like they are trying to accomplish the same things on the ice where now Nikola cousins like all right. If we can get talk the puck in the neutral zone, he's have his own entry in. We'll just be able to get on the four check and I think that's works to now Alex Tuck nosed. That when they actually do get in the offensive zone, he can hang back a little bit a why in cousins are going to wreak havoc in the corners, trying to get him that puck and trying to set him up for shot in tight and we saw a number of those in game four is those guys were just not in on Corey Crawford almost the entire night and they couldn't find a way to get past him. I know Tobar mentioned yesterday in his post game press conference that he thought Tuck could have had four or five goals in the series ended up with just the one. We'll see if kind of his luck starts to turn when the ignites. Move on to the second round. And then I wanNA move onto you know it's obviously I think really. Fun For us to talk about the. Kinda guys because it's always surprising or exciting when they score because they're not necessarily expected to but the guys that were expected to score for the knights were so. Really good in this series Briley Smith had six points Jonathan Marceau who I mentioned setup tuck beautifully on his goal had five Mark Stone had two goals one of which was very important yesterday to get the nights back in the game and all these guys are productive despite the fact that you know a lot of their linemates are either not in the lineup or banged up. Paul. stazzone was hurt for part of the series any missed two games Max Patriarchy missed one game and the other I three games he played in this series games one, three and four. He basically admitted that they were not the best games of his career. He didn't look like himself yet. He looked like a guy frankly hadn't played a competitive hockey game in five months, which, of course was true of him because he. was. Injured in training camp. Gosh. The bubble late had to self quarantine and couldn't appear in the exhibition or any of the Round Robin? Games. And then patron he comes back in scores goal it has an assist in game five to finally get on the board. So you know some mixed results from the top six Dave some starring performances, some guys that are still clearly kind of finding their group here in the postseason. So I guess, what does it say about the nights that they were able to move on rather easily despite the varying performances from the top six in do you expect even more from these guys moving forward? Yeah. I do let me I'm going to answer the question a little bit differently in in what I wanNA point out is. Is Much as. You know these guys were out in and they didn't have standing for the entire series and they didn't have Patrick obviously. At one hundred percent. The nights I, guess quote Unquote Stars. Really outperformed the blackhawks stars in the series for the most part Patrick Kane had three assists game in in and their star showed up last last night in. Game Five. Scored Cain scored they did their best but you know tastes had one goal in the series Kane had one goal in the series. Kubo leak I think had one debrincat had to have been quiet the whole time. One of them was an empty net goal. The nights did a really good job on the blackhawks stars, and then like you said, Riley Smith John at the march. So mark don't you know the nights guys were in the lineup that that they needed to lean on contributed and yeah, I do going forward you you would expect knocked Patrie to play better and if they're going to settle on a top six of you know Patty Carlson Stone. And then Marcha. So stazzone Smith. Those guys need a little bit. You know some game time developed a little bit of the chemistry get that back because guys have been in and out of the lineup in I do think it bodes well, you know that that they were able to find up plug guys in you got challenge Stevenson going from the first line to the fourth line you know one game to the next I mean I don't know how many teams have guys that can do that that have that sort of versatility i. Think you know as we talked about earlier in the show all that debt thin in that sort of stuff was really what separated the nights from the Blackhawks in this series and yeah, the Knights going forward. They're going to need Max to look like he did last night and produce like he did last night you know checking out of Mark Stone and William Carlson was a contributory you feel like if if they get the same type of contribution from Raleigh Smith Jonathan March so in healthy Pastas, Ni. They're going to match up with anybody they're going to be a tough team. You know for anybody to figure out who am I gonNA put my shutdown power against whom I going to put my shutdown line against I mean other coaches have to look at the tape and look at them and go. Yeah. That's you know this is tough for us. It's it's a little bit of pick your poison. No totally, you know another guy that I should throw in the mix. There has been Shaffi at or even though we were talking about forwards just because you know he's got two goals against the Blackhawks. He had three points is a really strong series for him and he continues to emerge as a force for this team. So we have some really good top level performances by the knights but I think there's even more to offer for that top group and we'll see if they're able to do it against. Whoever they end up facing a last thing that I wanNA talk about reflecting back on the series is You know like what stood out to you in kind of more of a negative way I think the big one that comes to mind for me early is the power play ultimately finishes one for ten. They get a really nice goal last night to kind of help them close out the series. Riley Smith has just incredible scene pass across his own to set up Alec Martinez for a one timer. But other than that, you know the power play wasn't generating offense nate Schmidt thought it got a lot better in game four where they are peppering Corey Crawford in his couldn't seem to find. A Finnish but was there anything? That you know suggested that are this isn't quite clicking the way it's supposed to be or was it even just a case of you now guys like Patrick weren't one hundred percent yet In terms of the power player just overall power play. So. Okay. Here's my hang up. I'm going to go back and I'm going to look at the numbers on. This is going to be a research project for me all right I disagree with the Knights decision to have patch already on the left side. Of their power play, he came back last night. They had marked stone on the right and him on the left I think Max. Patrick is better on the right circle in that right office and camped out there and I would argue without having the numbers to back it up that their power play was better during the regular season when he was in that spot. Rather than on the left hand side with Mark Stone and or Jonathan March. So there that's just kind of the if I'm going to be a a armchair coach in critique in whatever that's one thing that I would change Now as far as the numbers and whatever I guess you know partly to there's some credit the blackhawks to get because we about you know if the start of the series only previewed it, there is a little bit of inversion here in terms of you know strength on strength special teams wise know. Golden Knights had a pretty good power play in the regular season with the Blackhawks had a pretty penalty kill. So, maybe some of that was them maybe after give a little credit than obviously at least like you mention one of the Games was their best penalty killer was goaltender. So maybe going forward their weeks maybe there's some things L. personnel wise. They're they're gonNA change going or now everybody's healthy. It'll be interesting to see you know what Ryan Craig does with them on the power play going forward. But that's just one thing for me. If I'M GONNA throw my analysis in there, I would wanna see re Max Patty back in that right circle. On that power play and then the other thing put mark stone back on the goal line the way that they had cody glass early let him open up and be a playmaker. Just. That's my two cents. No, it makes sense. Stones Passing Vision are obviously top level think. Nights you gotta try to take advantage of that as much as possible. The other thing that really stood out. Both this series and obviously last night was just. Some puck management decisions some bad turnovers by the nights. That's what really led to. A lot of the goals for the Blackhawks. Yesterday, I mean, the third goal especially, Nate Schmidt turns it over in the defensive zone, and then all of a sudden Patrick Kane is wide open one on one in front of Robin Liner, which is just obviously a losing situation for the nights and those are the things that you know as we kind of go through all the things they did well, the take away from that because all of. A. Sudden they are up you know I believe were there might have been tied to to at that point in the blackhawks retook the lead three two nights had done so many things well to kind of a race to deficit and get themselves back into that game, and then you have a sloppy turnover, all of sudden the blackhawks are in the lead again, and it's kind of what we talked. We've talked about before with this team of. With the depth and with the kind of lineup strength, they have top to bottom if they don't beat themselves, they're really hard to beat and we still I think saw some instances in this game of the nights you know having some self inflicted wounds that ultimately held them back. That's something they need to really strive to prevent because kind of the blackhawks players are obviously very skilled, but the skill level is only increase moving forward in the postseason. Yeah, it's funny like I have my list of things you know like what would Points things takeaways from. The series and all that sort of stuff in the one negative was especially the turnovers that was the one I had the big star next to and sad phase and all that sorta stuff because that was that was the glaring. Glaring negative that was that was what like you said, it kept the Blackhawks in in the series in in a lot of regarded kept them in some of those games. I feel like he kept them in game two, it allowed them to. Be Opportunistic, it allowed them to. Play kind of a conservative style which I thought was interesting that the blackhawks sort of chose to play that way I would have thought going into the series that they would try to open it up charted trade chances making a game like they did in November when they won I, think it was five three and and Patrick Kane was stretching the defense and they kept off wing you know high in the defensive. Zone in and really kind of tried to stretch that neutral zone. We didn't see a whole lot of that and I think some of it was those games were tight and they were close in the blackhawks felt like, hey, all we gotta do is jump on a mistake. The same way we did against Edmonton because they keep feeding them to us and I thought once the nights sort of cut that out in. And we're able to focus on the blackhawks skill. You know those are the moments that they really seem to take control of the series. So going forward I mean like you said, the teams are only GonNa get better. The Games are only to get more intense maybe you chalk up some of these turnovers to. Roster just not being sharp early on in the playoffs I. Don't know you know maybe we're far enough into it now that that can't be an excuse anymore and their timing, and all of that should be there. By definitely going forward that's the one thing if you're a coach. You'RE GONNA, throw up on the video and say, Hey, we gotta get this. Out of our game, I'm showing those clips and I'm saying this unacceptable. Remy Mark Stone mentioned it last night when they forced the Blackhawks to actually have to go two hundred feet to try to score on the blackhawks largely couldn't, and that just speaks to kind of the strength of the nights kind of structure when they're able to set up and all that stuff. So know if they can cut down the turnovers they. Are. Awfully. Awfully difficult to break down. We'll see whether their next opponent is going to be able to break the men. We'll see who their next opponent will be later on this week as a reminder, the nights options in the second round, our Arizona who once again might be eliminated actually by the time you're listening to this by Colorado but they would. Kind of the first choice if they do end up coming back from a three, one whole against the Avalanche Calgary, which is down three two to Dallas. would be next up if they manage to win the final two games. Of Their series and then kind of last option if. Both Arizona and Calgary are ultimately eliminated would be the winner of the Vancouver Saint Louis Serious both those opponents I would be pretty interesting match ups for the Golden Knights. Probably more audio goodness for you guys win that matchup is announced so we can preview it. 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Golden Knights are 0-1 in the Western Conference Final...again

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Golden Knights are 0-1 in the Western Conference Final...again

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We just got done watching the Golden Knights First Game Against The Dallas Stars in the twenty twenty Western Conference final and we're going to break it all down for you guys today as well as the last two games of their second round series against the Vancouver connects because we have. Not talked to you guys since then. So yeah, there's a lot of catching up to do about some very important games in works cited to do it before we get going on remind everyone that the Goldman's podcast is sponsored by the Castro Verde Law Group we also presented by Jordache, Sunday ticket and favor drink a favor dot com also please check out all are written work at review journal Dot Com have three stories off game one tonight online checkout, and of course, we will have multiple stories up every single day basically until the nights postseason run ends also reminder to rave reviews subscribe. Whatever you podcast, we do to this one We hope you guys like what we do and we have some hopefully exciting news for you guys about what we're GonNa try to do the rest of the post season as well. What we're actually trying to do is we're GONNA try to do these podcast after every game from now on we'll probably keep a little bit shorter. We're going GONNA try to recap a these games really quickly guys because obviously these are the most important games of the Golden Knights season and whether they play three more games or thirteen, we WANNA make sure that we give you guys some pretty quick analysis on all of them. So you know make sure. You're checking your podcast feed every night after the Golden Knights wrap up because hopefully by the time we're done of the editing and turning our stories you guys will have fresh audio content to listen to So we're going to spend a lot of the time on this episode recapping Game One of that star series and kind of breaking down the stars to since we haven't had time to do kind of a preview podcast for you guys. But I WANNA wrap up the Vancouver series a day. The last time we chatted on this podcast basically neither said, we were that worried after the Golden Knights last game five and it's hers out there actually was a reason to be worried and. was. Fatter Denko the connects rookie goaltender was just incredible down the stretch. He made ninety eight consecutive saved. One point he shut out the night's game six he shut them out Romo's fifty, four minutes in a really tight really tense game seven. The Dominated on the shot clock in shot attempts scoring chances in basically anything. That can be tracked in a hockey game. The Knights had a commanding lead in except the scoreboard. For most of those last two games We're GONNA talk about a lot of storylines that emerge from game six in game seven because they can relate to what we saw in game. One of the Western, conference. final. Against The Dallas Stars. But first day of I. WanNa Start With this House surprised impressed whatever you WANNA put on. It were you that the unites had a match penalty in game seven against economics and actually killed it off we'll all say this they go on to win the Stanley Cup. That will be the most twenty twenty. You know laughing your face hockey gods moment of So fitting, you know of all things if EP used the term, each team hazards adversity if that's the university in the Hump that they had to get over once it was presented. To them and they go on to win this thing. I. Wouldn't it? So fitting wouldn't it be? It would be absolutely in incredibly a fitting I mean overall Wool was like from your vantage point watching. Game Six especially, that game seven because it was only the second game seven in golden history. Fans, probably don't need to be reminded how the first one went against the stain Jose Sharks last postseason, the game that, of course, the controversial major penalty call on cody eakin that the NHL basically later had to apologize to the knights of the led to the sharks coming back from a three zero deficit to win five four in overtime in the Golden Knights season. But what were some of your kind of key takeaways from? Hal at Second Round series from the connects you actually wrapped up because I don't think either of us were expecting. That's necessarily go seven games we last talked in certainly I wasn't expecting it to be tidied in a game seven for basically fifty four men Let me. Let me actually start on the other side because I think it's fascinating if you're Vancouver canucks San Right now because you basically had a rookie backup goaltender who is highly thought of in was a high draft pick clay out of his mind for three games and it might completely change direction about franchise in in determining whether Jacob marks from comes back mean I think you may have price himself out anyway in terms of what he wanted versus what the connected budgeted, but just the emergence of Thatcher Denko I mean he's GonNa end up depending on what happens with his career he's GonNa be like his colt hero in Vancouver now. Twenty twenty five years from now people are going to talk about the Thatcher Co series and things, and we'll see what he turns into. But I that that's really what the story was in in the nights. All sudden getting frustrated and crippen the steak and not being able to you know solve the kid who was playing really well five. You know maybe different from what they felt like I don't know but I felt like he gained five. There were a lot of shots that were in his chest and they were making it easy on not I. Don't I don't know so much about the traffic and things like that. I think that's an easy excuse for the coach to fall back on after a game when you throw a bunch of shots on a guy. And you don't score all. We need to get more traffic. I think a lot of those shots were just from the perimeter easy stops you know and and when they were tough shots, high danger areas, great chances those were the shots at the night seems to be either one missing the net or to putting it right into dem crest in so I don't think. They were doing themselves. Any favors in you know in a series that starts to grow in the psychological impact impact starts to take hold in you know credit to the nights that they fought through it and it was zero zero Game Robin. Lehner makes the save of the series Probably you know a save that will be talking about depending on what happens here. Going forward for you know potentially a whole lot of years I mean that was a was a major point in that game to keep zero zero and they found a way and that's what good teams do when maybe you're not playing you're best you still find a way Alec our Tina's mentioned that and I've seen that not sports. We've we've talked about that before you know maybe that's the the best sign I guess you could save for the nights going forward is that they've found a way They need to figure out how to score some goals because right now audits astrid up. The Aso. We can talk about that moving forward here because then we can move onto. Game One of the Western Conference final because I want to you know put the offense of struggles that we saw down the stretch and the main hoover series for the goaltending that you brought up with Robin. Leonard is just spectacular robbery. Brock Besser into the game one discussion been as well. So. One. The nights are now Owen to in game one of the Western Conference final in their history because they lost one nothing to the. Dallas Stars on Sunday were according this about two hours ish after the game has ended. So or kind of come into guys with are pretty raw thoughts and kind of analysis from this game. I think the big takeaway from this game for me day the May we start on before jumping into kind of some of those other topics we we talked about or touched on already is I think it's fair to say this is the first time since the postseason proper. So Post Round Robin got started the nights for really truly thoroughly outplayed to me. I think for the most part they lost just once the blackhawks that was because Corey Crawford. Kinda, played out of his mind tunas. This had to their three loss of the conducts that we kind of just briefly touched on their came down to Thatcher Denko just being outstanding standing on his head. They did make a lot of defensive mistakes in game two against Vancouver and somebody could bring back game as an example as one the nights maybe you got outplayed in but even still, I feel like this game fell different and I don't mean different is in like Oh man the. Have an opponent today you can't handle necessarily because I. Think we even saw Vancouver series. The nights blew out that connects in game one and Vancouver came storming right back to force game. So, it's not like the nights I think are in deep trouble already here but I think it does feel like this is the first time that they're punching against someone that is for sure in their same way class. Do you get that same feeling? Yeah. For sure I mean we think I mean okay. Let's take out the round robin I mean. We'll. We'll actually no because I think. You know the the first period Colorado I thought they were pretty well played. I would agree with you though and I think part of that's because Dallas teaming than Chicago in a better team than Vancouver I, mean you look at the record from the regular season you look at the stats in terms of Dallas being team that was second in the league in goals against per game a deeper they're stronger better. They've got an elite defencemen. In they've got a lineup that especially with what they throughout tonight in game one I thought it was interesting the way that Rick bowness kind of spread his guys out and and really kind of rolled his four lines in presented. A problem on every line for the nights in terms of somebody that could score It's a different kind of matchup. It's it's a different kind of top six that you're seeing. It's guys Sagan and and PA-. Ski Guys Go to the net as opposed to kind of pure I guess skill element you know like a Patterson Things that not to say that Sagan's not you know mentally talented that Jamie Benzon immensely talented they're just different players. They're bigger stronger physical heavy style that. Has. been sort of the topic of conversation going into the series. So yeah all those things factor into it in in pizza bar. said it tonight after the game it's GonNa be a different series. This is not. Teams that kind of a running gun in. As. Much as Dallas has relied, may be on offense a little bit in the season more than doing the regular season. I think a lot of ads just a successful power play in they're still they still are who they are I guess and they showed that tonight and that's GonNa be tough. Not to go too far back but you know all the things that we talked about. You know when the nights potentially could played Arizona, you know all the threat that Arizona presented as. A team that's really good defensively in you're getting into. Nothing. Long zero zero type stretches of games that's dangerous in Dallas is even better at it than Arizona. So it's absolutely going to be a threat. They're absolutely the best team that they've played so far in and you figure that's going to be reflected over the next handful of games. Lets you mentioned you know Pete to bore and some of his thoughts post game winless actually hear from the Golden Knights coach right now. They were exactly what we expected to be. A. One or two in the lead in all the defensive analytics year. And? Play. Hard every gang and they make you work career offense and if you're not willing to. To. Work. For offense and support offensively than. You know they're not going to hand it to you acting that was. The case tonight. So there are some of devore's initial thoughts after game one of the series, which of course represents the final four in the NHL. So you now to kind of tie in the end of the Vancouver series here. Day of the nights have been shut out in two of their last three games two of their goals in game seven, they scored empty-netter. So in the last three games, they have one goal against a goaltender and it was by defense. Menteith Theodore, who of course is advancement that has been really really good. But you would think a lot of the nights highly paid forwards would be able to step up as well. So how much I guess he'll blame for lack of better word to put the knights lack of offensive production on them not finding ways to get more pucks in it versus you know how l. either defensively are just straight up how goaltenders are playing against them right now. Well. So, tonight I feel like he's a little bit of an aberration I feel like I wanna give them a pass on the down the game seven, just the emotions and not being able to get up for it in in the turn it on in the third period, it was similar to what they tried to do or what they're able to do. Excuse me against Dallas in the round robin and kind of win third period this time they couldn't crack. Khudobin. So I mean if they're gonNA stick to that formula going forward I don't think that's GonNa work. But I do think there was some some moments where it felt like it was a little bit of potluck where like you know they got some bounces and there was some loose pox, some rebounds and they they just weren't able to get it but it also feels like at times I don't know how much of this is maybe the ice surface but that they're just not kind of creating off the rush on they're not creating. These really good chances they're not forcing outstanding says I can think of one or to the DEM Komai but I can't really think of any tonight where they had an odd man rush and you get a pass across the ice enforce the goalie to come across his crease or you know you create a good chance you know from a pass on the net for you know you know shot from the slaughter even more. So just something on the powerplay. Powerfully was huge tonight I mean they got chances in the ruined them within like thirty seconds on two of them, and then they had a power play to start the third period in fresh ice just. Basically. Stepped on their leg. Trying to be nice I can't use it to phrase that I really WANNA use. You know but those are little areas where if you're trying to generate offense, you know you score power play goal or two and all of a sudden you know it looks a lot better on the scoresheet at the end. So I do think you know part of it is on them and I do think part of it is on teams playing well. Defensively, I thought Vancouver especially, you know kind of quietly did a great job guarding the packing it in, and they seem to get every loose puck every rebound in front of the net nights or laying down on the ice bowling pins that had been knocked over seemingly every time you know after dem co at me that I saved. So some of that's The onus on them to get to those loose pucks in score that way. Get deflections, and in score the way the teams are scoring against them in not try to you know necessarily skate the puck into the net every time. Yeah. Interesting by the end of that Vancouver series of the connects were literally just packing around the pain as you said, and I don't mean than just kind of dropped an extra guy or to there I mean there were times where literally all five skaters were right around the pain trying to tie up sticks, grab loose pucks and just kind of concede the fact that we're not gonNA try real hard to. Generate, a bunch the other way we're just GONNA limit. You hope you get frustrated help. You make mistake in kind of count on our top end skill guys two pounds on a turnover if when it comes. That formula. As. We already touched on almost worked a except Robin. Leonard made ages absolutely fantastic. Save on Blockbuster. Otherwise we could be doing kind of night season autopsy right now rather than talking about you know the Western Conference final and game one of it. 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Started back to back in game six and seven than it's played their last two games that connects series on consecutive days in winter started them both he got the shutout in game seven and then bore went back to Marc Andre Fleury for the first time in about a week tonight in a game one. Credit to the board I think this is definitely not the way. A lot of fans saw this goaltending situation play out. It's not even how I necessarily thought. He would use his goal tender's but despite the fact that the knights lost tonight a, the goaltending tandem has been really really effective like I said Leonard got that on game seven and Mark conjul flurry gave up a goal on the first shot. He sought tonight in Game One. But then he made a twenty four straight saves and Defenseman H had a lot of praised for flurries tonight before we discuss kind of the Golden Knights let's listen in to nature. I think it took us a while ago we didn't come into to play from the start of the game. For the first thirty, five minutes of the game we were back on our toes and they were all of us in the work place be made for us as we weren't. There supporting each other and getting our feet moving. In. The last twenty minutes we we started to play a little bit better because he started to get our our D. moving. Finally, we started getting close to each other to make some place in. That game is much more to reach if it's not flower for stupid we didn't play well in. In that game hours the one nothing that. So there's Schmidt with a lot of praise for Hitler, goaltenders Mark. Audrey flurry now, there are no backs backs in the western conference. Final lender. Now will have a four days of rest before game two if he gets the nod their So Dave. What are your thoughts? How goaltending situation sets up? Now, how divorce has handled it to this point and I? We talked about last podcast that we thought you know flurry might not get a game in the rest of this postseason will now the fact that he's basically played really well, his last three starts taking out his first postseason start against the Saint Louis Blues. Is there. Any chance that the door is open for him to still keep getting games here I. think potentially. I mean it's hard to say in. Part of this is because he? I'm with you and obviously I was on record like I said I. Didn't think we would see Marc. Andre Fleury, play another game in its uniform after that game I didn't see it because I kind of foresaw. Schedule, or a situation like this where there weren't back to backs and Robin Lehner you know is a big strong guy and you figure he's a workhorse and every other game is is not anything that's out of the question for a goaltender and then you know I think about it more and more today in than it makes total sense to be able to start Marc Andre Fleury in game one robin. Leonard Played Three Games in four days and yeah, he had an extra day of. Arrests in there between you know what would have been gained one but that's the luxury you have. You're not going to you know I mean if you're Dallas, just say this isn't going to jake hottinger or something like that because you know who opened needs a break in, you're just going to say, okay, we'll. We'll just you know kind of roll the dice on game one in whatever happens you know maybe we get it maybe we. Will figure it out there. You're you're throwing Marc Andre Fleury out there. So that's luxury pizza bores talked about this whole time. You know what? I mean. I. Don't WanNa like be the sarcastic smart Aleck here but. He's kept to his word like he's said, we're GONNA need them both and we're gonNA use them both, and maybe he hasn't used them the way he did in the regular season or their alternating, but he's looked at this and. And utilize depth. He said that with the forwards and defensemen and whatever he's looked at the goaltending in the same way that these guys need a break in need arrest in, we can't just get like a normal playoff and for him to. Get a performance like he got out of Marc Andre Fleury, like you said, it would if they scored tools, they scored a goal, they even any sort of run support. You know pizza looks like a genius again. So I guess tip your hat going forward. I would expect to see Robin Lehner in the in the crease though unless something happens unless he struggles unless you feel like we need. A A spark if they're behind in the series or something like that because right now at least you know if you've got flurry in your back pocket that he's playing while you're not just going guy who's cold and you don't know what you're getting he's actually playing well so it gives them another option. More options a better I guess, right? No totally in. Folk credit sue pizza for I. Think having an open mind. On how to use those options because I think click it said just put it. On what my thought process was coming into tonight before we heard who the goaltender was going to be like Oh. Robin. Winners the guy he's their number one. Thus obviously, he's going to start game one tonight and I give you credit for kind of looking at the situation may be a little bit. You know seriously or objectively thoroughly. And saying, you know what? I think this is actually really good time to get my number two some action, and like I said, it almost worked in I. Think divorce had a lot of good moments. This season obviously, you know they lost tonight. But in game seven, he makes the four lines and got really good results. He called a timeout right before the Golden Knight scored the game winning goal off the power play with faith Theodore. I, of course, he started Leonard in both games of the backpack got the shutout in game seven. So that was successful night for four tonight almost was a successful night for him in terms of the goalie situation but it ultimately wasn't meant to be like you said earlier, the nights are down one nothing in this series. Now before we wrap up here day. I. Want to touch on some broader talking points for this series as a whole because. You know one game is over, but I think you know despite the fact that the knights lost as I said earlier I don't think necessarily outgunned in the series just because they lost one game at a series has the potential to. Go back and forth a little bit and get really interesting. So. To get into some of the things I'm looking for the rest of the way here number one, the stars defensemen lead the League in a postseason points which think is a really fascinating topic especially because his Utah Sean Stars Have Ages Stud defensemen in second year. Hey in which sets really nicely for easy comparison with Shaffi Theodore who leads the Knights of course in postseason points with sixteen as I mentioned earlier, he got game winning goal in game seven and up touch them as early but mark stone said he's a North Cal defenseman peachable war has basically said, yeah, I agree with Mark Stone Multiple Times already. So watching those to go back and forth is going to be just so so fun to watch anything it was even fun to watch some of the stuff those two guys were trying even a game one so. I guess I'll admit my man crush on Miro hoskin like I am a huge huge huge huge fan i. that's the most exciting part of this series for me is that I get X. amount of games of watching him I I can't reveal my. You know what we vote on the Norris ballot and all that I'll say that I couldn't get him on my ballot and I so wanted to I couldn't justify it but I think he's just absolutely phenomenal. Ache I've said this to a couple of people knew whatever like he's the closest thing I've seen to Nicholas. Lidstrom since Lisbon retired and you know we'll see how he develops in and all that sort of stuff by you know. You expect him to play twenty five to thirty minutes in and be guy that's out there against Mark Stone in you know Robert. March. So the the whole top six, a killing penalties do not that sort of stuff I mean. The cool thing with all this is like this is the media like Canadian media, the national media everybody gets focused on it. So if you haven't seen, hey skinny if you haven't seen Shea Theodore as a media member really will now you're zeroed in on it and then you come away from it and you say while theaters really good. And you start to talk about him next year, and that's kind of how it works. As kind of how you know the the reputations are made in the postseason in guys. Get publicity going forward that that sort of the. Give the give away the secret of the media I mean that sort of the new cycle but it this this is sort of their chance because the spotlight on both of them it's GonNa. Be a great match up I. Think you know again it's GonNa be interesting because Klingberg scored the goal tonight hopped up. into the rush to make it an odd man situation in it's GonNa be something that the nights are GonNa have to deal with all series bonus opt about the dots. The modern game now is defenseman jumping in the rush two four man rushed. Not a three men rush anymore story the Shell is so it's GonNa be something that the night's have to come back because they're continue to see it from the cm in this series. Another thing, the nights are gonNA have to combat the touched on day of is just how I guess uniquely constructed. This stars lineup is a rick bowness has. Done really interesting of which like I said he briefly touched on earlier, which is he's really spread out kind of the top guys on his teams in terms of the forwards. So he's got Joe Veliki on one line he's got Jamie Ben Affleck second line than Tyler Sagan Inquiry Perry who's a former Hart trophy winner aren't as third line and then Kyrie Rhonda, who scored the hat trick that powered them to the game seven victory over the Colorado avalanche a couple hours before the nights in connects played to even get them to this point is on the fourth line with a hints who is not a necessarily bad player either. So bonus know doesn't have a supercharge top line right now he's. Chosen to create. Basically, you know not for necessarily even lines but. You know four lines that are basically all a half step maybe down from each other and it's much different. Than what the Knights of seen throughout the playoffs so far where you know the blackhawks, it was a good top line a pretty good second line. Not so much in the bottom six and I think the disparity was even greater in the next series just in terms of the. Top two lines when they got healthy with Tyler Toffoli in there are really really good lines but the bottom six I believe literally, you know led to one goal in seven games against the nights. So the depth edge has been so so crucial for the Nice. We've seen that with how often Alex talk has been involved in the scoring. Based on how Dallas is lining up I think it's GonNa be a lot harder for the nights to have that kind of obvious edge down there LINEAPP hundred percent. So like one guy that you didn't mention is Dennis on off. Who At least tonight lineup the fourth line to begin with and he was leading score goal score. He was the only guy that hit twenty goals for them. So their fourth lying guy was their leading goal score. You Know How many teams present that issue and if you're going to match up and you're GonNa say oh I want my fourth line out there against. Their fourth line will that means raising carry a and whoever their center is is going again to essentially their leading goalscorer that's major responsibility for them. That's not just going up against you know other guys who are out there to kind of grind where team down in play the way the you know the nights fourth line does that's a major major defensive assignment so it puts. It puts different sort of pressure on you. You know when you go on the ice, your mind is different because you have to be aware that if I turn over the puck this thing. You know it's GonNa end up in the back of the net whereas maybe another fourth line. You know maybe you can get away with it. So you know the the mental I guess You know concentration that you have to have in. That's you know. Talked about that a little bit tonight of you get to this point in your down to the final four in you have to be good in takes. A different level of game. So we'll see it'll be interesting to see kind of the chess match, and if he deboer adjusts is lines to kind of combat that at all or if he just kind of. It says Hey third-line. Hey fourth line. This is your responsibility. You have to be accountable and you have to shut them down in if they can't. You know the maybe that's GonNa be an issue for the nights going forward. Yeah. No I. I definitely agree with you that the chess match could get fascinating because of course, you know while we're talking about how how the stars are deploying their lines might. Make it a little easier for them to gain a depth edge obviously vulnerable because they don't have that necessarily top end line that could maybe match up with the nights when their top six is rolling. But of course, the nights do not have their top six rulings night and that's part of what the stars do so well is that you know they play that really strong defensive game that can frustrate opponents anez actually the last thing I wanNA touch on is the stars did such a good job once they got that lead tonight Shutting things down, they were especially good in the neutral zone. They really made it hard for the nights to you know transition the puck with of any sort they were so physical kind of muck things up as well. But we've seen all throughout the postseason. The SARS can win shoot outs. That's something they didn't necessarily show in the regular season, but that's how they were able to be such a high powered offense of team in Colorado is outscored them a lot of the times in the game seven they won, which is I mentioned. Curie Givi Rhonda scored a hat trick in a five four game in overtime. So this stars team much like the night's. have shown us as post-season can win in different ways ending that's another kind of thing that shows us. That The Dallas team is just on a different level than what the night's have experienced before is because they can kind of adjust their game and still find a way to win and it'll be interesting to see. How they decide to end up attacking the nights because I thought today Dallas started out pushing the temple allot and then as the game progressed and the clock gut kind of you know lower and lower, they shifted back in a regular season mode and were able to kind of really assert themselves in protect the lead. Yeah. I would agree with that. It's GonNa be interesting like he pointed out to see how they attack this series on what they WanNa do I wonder how much of their I guess offense the output and breakout an explosion was Colorado's goaltending I don't know and I. The one thing I'll say is that Just fact however, the nights put a net is going to be better than Michael Hutchinson and probably better than Pavel Fransuz was playing adopt point in the series before he got hurt to be quite honest. So maybe that's adjustment that the stars just make right off the bat they figure look or they're gonNA face better goaltending from the nights they themselves are GonNa have to play the tighter style close to the vest style, and maybe that means it's a cagey series maybe a dozen. That gets wide open all that being said. I think at this point, what the nights needs to do is figure out a way to score because right now it's just not happening I mean Mark Stone Way. In Carlson, have one goal each in the past seven games Riley Smith Jonathan March. So Zilch in the past seven games patch readies nothing in the past four. So they're the the night's top six, they need to find a way to put the puck in the back of the net. You know I guess break the seal whatever you WanNa say and figure out a way to kind of let get contagious throughout the lineup. 'cause right now you know it's kind of working the other way and I think you know the sticks started to get grip tight you start to think a little bit i. mean a patron even made a comment kind of before. Game One about how they thought it points in that series against Vancouver was going to be impossible and. They didn't think they're gonNA score and all these sorts of things. So you know it was in their head. And and right now, the longer this goes the more we ask them questions and they have to hear it start talking about it amongst themselves. You know then it becomes an issue I think until those guys those guys figure out a way to break through. You know. Then we're going to be talking about you know maybe a short series for the nights I don't know. Yeah I. Guess we'll see how the night's offense is able to bounce back in game two of the series that will be at five pm Tuesday on NBC sports. Net or for those of you that want to watch on TV you can also listen on Fox sports radio. As a reminder we'RE GONNA BE RECORDING POST game podcast for you guys the arrest of the postseason. So make sure to refresh whatever PODCAST APP to use I tuned Stitcher spotify excetera a Tuesday. Night or Wednesday morning because we'll be breaking down all the action right here on the golden edge podcast. Before we sign off for the night, I want to remind everyone that this podcast is sponsored by the Castro. Verde Law Group we are also presented by Jordache Sunday ticket in favor drink a favor dot com also please check out all our work review journal Dot Com and rate review subscribe whatever you guessed please do to this one it helps people find us Thanks for listening everyone I've been goes. 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Golden Edge - Vegas Golden Knights Hockey

29:20 min | 1 year ago

Motor City meltdown

"Golden Age podcast is sponsored by. SDN SPORTS FROM STATION CASINOS SDN. Sports is the only sports betting APP. You need this season. Sign up today and get a new sign up bonus of up to fifty dollars golden edge presented by SDN sports mobile from station casinos. What is up hockey hockey fans? This is the Review Journal's Golden Edge. podcast coming at you on a Wednesday morning the morning before the Golden Knights play the Chicago Blackhawks at T.. Mobile arena. We know those games night but we want to send you some audio goodness because a lot has happened in the weeks since we last talked go knights have logged a lot of smiles as has my intrepid colleague. David Shane Dave. How're you doing good refreshed Refresher Day Office Day off? You know ready to go all set. No more complaining not complaining. Well I think the fans a lot of complaints about how the Golden Knights weighing right. Now I know my email has been packed with them but before we get to that we want to remind you that the gold niche podcast is presented by SDN sports mobile from station casinos. We try to hit you guys up every week with a new episode and of course like like subscribe. Find us on Itunes Stitcher spotify. Wherever you get your podcast leave us a nice review and of course check out all our coverage at review journal Dot Com so Dave you've fans have complaints and it's hard to blame him? The golden's ended a one to one road trip with a three two loss to the Detroit. Red Wings the Red Wings. Who believe after that game still had a negative thirty goal differential to lead the league for worst goal differential and Brayden mcnabb McNab? I still have not figured out what he was doing. On the play that led to the game winning goal. Have you now. But so if you're going to bring that up let's talk about the whole plan okay and in total context because everybody's GonNa throw it on Brayden mcnabb. Yeah like what are you doing. Just just get overtime get a point. There's thirty seconds left you get into overtime and get point and maybe to ninety and nothing par part of my thing. And maybe I'll ask you this. I didn't see like glove it. Because he went after with his stick like he kikinda was trying to knock it out of air. That was a little Hollywood of of a play. If you ask me if he could have gloved it down once you commit to to that like you have to knock knocked down that park sell out right because you shouldn't be in that spot in the first place but here's a bigger picture because I literally went back when I got home. Tom and watched after the second goal for the last nine minutes okay. They sat third winger high on the Blue Line. There was a there was shit. Jonathan marches was literally so far back in the neutral zone sitting back. They were lying three across on their own Blue Line. When Detroit to have the puck they were absolutely sitting back trying to play for a point on the last shift? Riley Smith is down in the corner. Jonathan marched those like pretty much in front of the net. And William Carlson's below the faceoff dots and Riley Smith loses the PUCK in the corner. They make one pass up the board Fabri. He makes the Rink Wide Pass. So everybody sees the mcnabb thing but for nine minutes you sat back and you played for a point and then with thirty seconds left you had three guys check and below the face off thoughts So so is that system. Is that just. Somebody's shutoff. Is that not understanding the lion between aggressiveness. This and wind. Just peel back in and take what you got because to me they played they pretty much did what they had to do. In that game. And then Malcolm Sudan doesn't make save and then you have to get a point and they did it that's the biggest that's me is where it's inexcusable. And yes sprayed mcnabb makes the mistake. But that's a five-man mistake. Nate Schmitz down. There pinched along the wall to adopt point. Like why did you shut off after eight and half minutes of playing a certain way in on this one shift you just decide. Let's go for it. Yeah are so didn't exactly hustle back on that play in question either. There's a lot that's going wrong for the Golden Knights right now. Now coach grant was happy to point out yesterday that. Hey We haven't hit rock bottom as of this recording. They are nine seven and three so they have lost more games then they have one but it's still technically an improvement over last season's eight eleven one start. They are not that far out of the playoff laugh picture even though they are out of the playoff picture as a record this but didn't get to the way that they're doing it that is getting people. Frustrated have twenty penalties. They turn the puck doc over too much especially against good teams They still can't win and overtime either. And they've lost a lot of points that way. They can't be good teams as evidenced by the drubbing banged the Washington capitals handed them and now of course with the loss to the redwings a can't even beat bad teams at least on the road and they they're blowing gene leads and so I a locker room yesterday. A lot of guys just talking about. We don't respond well to adversity right now. When something bad happens in the game mm-hmm we shut down and instead of just attacking attacking attacking and that was an interesting admission to hear? Because I mean this is a team. That's had a lot of pride in a lot of confidence so far in as young existence these of in players that are not afraid to go for and play aggressively and to hear that this team's teams playing scared at times. Little bit was a little bit stunning to me. What do you make of that? I would go to the game. Why did you do what you did in the last minute then like an an? That's an understanding of of. Where's the line of of aggressiveness? And going for it. Because to me if you're GONNA say okay we have to put the the pedal to the metal and we have to go. The may have to be okay with with how that goal happened except for the mcnabb play. You know what I mean and and I don't think they can live with that so it's a lot of identity in in that regard. I don't think they've figured out who they are in that sense. No and and it's it's you know. Are you going to look like you did against the ducks and play fast. And look like you did in two thousand seventeen eighteen when you made the Stanley Cup final. And and you kind of played with the pedal to the metal. A little bit played a little. I don't WanNa say reckless by nothing to lose. You know right now. There's a little more to lose their third. The expectations are higher. Everything's different. I don't think they've figured out kind of you know look. Are we gonNA just overwhelm teams. Are we going to have to grind out games. Because I think Max Patriot guys keep talking about. We don't want a superstar team and we you have to grind out games and and that's fine and I actually give them credit on the road trip for the most part thought they grinded out game in Columbus. I give them actually a heck of a lot of credit in Toronto. Everybody's focused on the loss. I think they earn a point there. Absolutely you know like I give them credit road performance except for the penalties gave them too many chances. That's the only thing that will hold the you know the whatever and then Washington it's three two going into the third period and then then they basically got overwhelmed by the team that's playing the best in the NHL Right now you know. And then the Detroit game and then the problem with the with everything. Is the troy game kind of swings the narrative so much and if you get a point or if you get over timing to out of there it's completely different feeling than going home with zero and three of eight on the trip and everything everything like that. I it at one point. I think it was in Washington jargon was talking about how how as a coach you nitpick and whenever but we're like five two in three in our last ten or whatever it was at that point so even he recognized like yeah. There are some things that need to improving. Yeah we've underachieved but you know it's not. The Sky is falling so to speak. They don't need to go through a whole reset here. No and a lot of their issues that we've talked about of course. Penalties turnovers identity. I mean that's not you know. Need a swing a big trade or blow up the roster's genius to figure out how to get more out of the group that you have right now and I might disagree with you there really. Yeah on defense. That's fair because I'm just not seeing eye. They need an upgrade. I don't know where it's GONNA come from. I don't see it internally. It's there's they're they're not good enough right now and defense with whatever combinations are trying to put together and they're getting exposed to much back there. They're not getting a whole heck of a lot of help from the forwards. It's not that five men kind of defensive unit you know there's too many coverage breakdowns. They run basically man on man in the defensive zone. You can spot for for the most part who is kind on of responsibility for certain things you know you can see you go. I'm trying to remember which was the one dollars that I'd like March so was clearly late. Clearly that him sneak through you know so I mean there are things that you can absolutely point out in the defensive zone the forwards into help out with. But if I'M GONNA look at them objectively Vania upgrade on defense and I don't know that it comes internally. I haven't seen it yet. Maybe it's white cloud. Yeah you got got a number of guys down there. I mean. Let's talk about that a little bit because the defense is certainly going to be a talking point moving forward starting with the fact that they may dare gangland a healthy scratch. We've talked about England on the last podcasts. In how the numbers for him. We're just really not pretty and so finally they decided all right. We're we're GONNA sit him. In Columbus John Merrill has a just wail of game in Washington where he falls asleep in the first minute of the game I was I. Yeah Yup and you just was a rough game for him. So D- England draws back in and so on one hand it's probably good that glance starting to have a little bit of a heavier hand back there in terms of like are A. I'm really GonNa let you know if you play bad. You're going to get yanked on the other hand. I mean you brought it up that you think they need to upgrade. I don't think if you could go through the list of Defenseman. They've played so far this year. And say okay. That's the guy that's having a really good season season and a lot of these guys you know. We're at least relatively I guess high might be. We're we're but we are comfortable with the Blanche. mcnabb is been a consistent producer in his three seasons here or at least two season before this. He hasn't this year. John Merrill stepped up last year. Hasn't carried it over this year. Old's been fine not expecting much. That's for him. Theodore's not getting on the scoresheet. Obviously playing with Nicholas Hag. Maybe as inhibiting him there but that's certainly not working and niche commit hasn't jumped out in his first couple games back from injury at so. There's no one that you're really getting excited about on their Blue Line right now. Yeah and and I. I would go to Theodore Theodore especially you know. He's a guy that you paid some good money to and and he's starting to get to that age where you know experiencewise. Why is he's over two hundred games and I think he's twenty four You know so so you need to start seeing a jump from him and I mean obviously that first unit power play has been good when he's been out there but I think I'm not one hundred percent on this. You're the computer over over there. You can look this up. He got tacked on a secondary assist up in Detroit. I think that was his second point in the last thirteen games. Yeah something around that you know now. Now I'm not saying he should be a you know John Carlson and basically leading all defensemen in scoring but you need more production from him and I think you bring up a good point. When he's been partnered with Nick Egg you know that they're probably you know worried about look take care of our own end first and then maybe the offense in they've sacrificed? Did you know to try to take care of their own end in. I mean other than the Washington game. What they gave up one goal in Columbus to in Toronto? Three in Detroit. So I wouldn't say defense is necessarily been. They're not leaking goals so quite clearly. They're they're looking at dot in and and it's not it's not like I said they're not just they're not getting overwhelmed back there but you need to see more on the other end you need to see you need to see more production all these teams it's NHL now it was. It was talked about in Washington and and actually think we can talk about this Chicago a little bit too because the last few games Chicago System Wise and they've been very open about this. They are opened up. They were very tight defensively to start the season and they were very conservative and the last few games. Jeremy said okay. Let's go rains off last year. kind of worked. You know we have to strike a balance here little bit. But he's let them go a a little bit. I want. I'm curious to see tonight kind of what we see. And and maybe that's the one thing with juggling what he can do. I don't know system wise. He always talks about well. You know we we do what we do and nobody really does anything different but I wonder system wise if he can do something at this point and say you know. Let's let's open this thing coming up. We're so worried about being tight defensively. Let's go for it a little bit here. Yeah let's talk about Glenn a little bit. I want to finish off the point on Theodore by just saying got seven points this year. which is you know not what you want from him? Through nineteen games and four of those points. All assists came on the power play. He's got two point. Two shooting percentage right now. Now what you want from a guy who's making five point two million dollars this year. Obviously there's some extended circumstances there but we're GonNa talk about what jar glint Kenner cannot do or should or should not do with this team when we come back after some brief messages following a team you love in two thousand nine hundred can be time consuming trying to follow everything happening in sports almost impossible swirling through every APP and visiting every website on a daily basis is also impossible. That's why I subscribe to Axios Sports. The Best Free daily newsletter in the land axios sports is a modern sports. 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What I think he gets criticized for at times this year and he got criticized for it in Florida? Is he sticks with his guys. Even when things aren't necessarily going well he doesn't put his lines in a blender game to game at least in the middle of a game if he's looking for a spark he might generally does not make big changes to his lineup. He lets his players figure it out and he tries to convey to them like. Hey I have confidence in you play your game and what kind of get through it and so I think we have this conversation all the time when things are not going well for the knights should he continue to stay the course or is this one of those situations where it might be time To you know either on defense or certainly with the third line try some new things so what always worries me in. That situation is the message it sends if you send it into the blender because it kind of looks like you're getting a little desperate and you're getting to the point of are we all just freaking freaking out and doing the Jerry Maguire thing and. I don't think that's the message that should be coming across right now. I don't think the freakout should be where the nights are out. I don't think they do the whole reset thing that being said Alex Tuck is coming back. It looks like and it would be a good time. Came to do it with him coming back. If you're going to do it. This seems like all right. Let's let's see what happens. Is Mick some things up because now I guess the counter to that would be what happens if he energizes the third line the way he did that one game because that was pretty evident with him out there that that third-line elevated him cody glass. Cody Eakin that was a pretty effective line. So if you've all of a sudden feel like okay now we have a third line that can roll. We can enroll four. Maybe that opens things up for the top two maybe just filters down. I don't know but if you're going to do if you're GONNA if you're gonNA mix and match I. I think it would be the time because Alex coming back. I just don't like the message that it sends because I don't think I don't think they need a whole. You know we need. We need to try awesome different kind of kind of mentality right now. No and I would agree. I mean especially with the top six. I think you had to play it out. Like I think there's guys that certainly aren't having good seasons Mark Stone Tone and Pastas near both in kind of scoring droughts Jonathan Marsh. So I think is not having a good year so far after having not-so-good your last year but I think the third line would be the spot that you might have to make a move at some point. We'll see whether tubs 'cause I mean cody. Logan talked about after Tux. First game how much he opens up the ice for them with his speed for him. And Cody Glass and how much that helps both of their games that they have more room to operate because Alex just draws so much attention and we'll see if that plays out but obviously cody in three points in fifteen games is an area where at what point do you give. Cody cody glasses. Shot in the middle there. Yeah I mean it's a possibility I just don't know what you do on the wings if that if that's the case I think that's part of the whole issue for right now is just. They don't have a lot of depth organizationally they don't have a lot of options. It's not like they have. It's not like cody Lhasa's down in Chicago. Tearing it up and they can go. Oh let's bring the kid up. And maybe he'll inject some wife and fix the problem that he's already up he's already plenty. You know what I'm saying. Right or they're they're they don't have any other choices in a lottery guard. He's tried Brennan period. Brennan period hasn't really got hot yet and brand Perry. Even you know admitted. Ah Yeah. I'm streaky guy. I haven't really got going. You know everybody Kinda knows a secret. no six been kind of you know up there a little bit. He's been down with the fourth line. The Wall like there's nobody that they can. You know I mean what you bring Lucas Elvis up. I you know that seems a little early for him him as well as you know. You're not GonNa Sign Jack. Do out of Providence. Right now I I you know I don't think paying crabs is the the answer Based on whatever practice he you could probably give a better assessment of that is he which by the way is even not even signed or not signed? ELC L. C.. And he very much looks like an eighteen year old playing with men right now so probably worth it to get him back to junior right so I mean there's not a whole heck of a lot of options here where or they can just go like. Well maybe we'll try. Try this I think. The the mixing and matching the lines. You know throw that that's an interesting point you raise because I think it's maybe I'm overstating the whole you know. That looks desperate or or whatever because I think it's more obviously more common tactic you know in the NHL. That I'm clearly giving credit for by. I just third line has gotta get fixed. It's gotta be affixed if if it's Alex talk if it's you know something because right now it's the problem is it's affecting all four because they can't just roll all through the way that they've been the way that they've been doing in the past. And I believe our columnist Ed grain is GonNa write about that today talked to pastas about that and Paul Stephania talked about the Best S. teams. I've played on. I played less because all four lines were good all right now. You're not playing that third line much. You're trying to limit that author lines at least five on five time as much as possible and that probably changes when tuck comes back but also put it all on the third line just because because that's clearly the goat right now because I mean all the lines aren't playing well they're getting out scored five on five. which seems pretty crazy for a team with the top? Six talent that this one has right and I and to some extent. I mean the third lions largely defensive line like to in some regard. I don't know how fair it is. The judge them on offense of stuff. I mean yeah you is like production out of them but you know by Cody Eakins Defensive Center you know I mean let's let's call it like it is like we're going to talk about his scoring and things like that will you know. Let's look at his defensive production which isn't very good if you look at numbers numbers and things like I'm not going to sit here and defend them but you know to some extent it's still goes back to identity and what are you trying to get out of you know that line and and how does that kind kind of fit into the you know the makeup of the whole team and I think that's part of their probably just figured all that out and like I said I think it's affecting getting kind of the ability roll through all four of them get some flow get some momentum it just you know any time they go and then something happens take a penalty. You know they get out of whack in just then the third line comes out and over the fourth line comes out and cam break the puck out of its own zone you know. And then they pinned back doc and then it looks like they're sitting back on their heels and then they talk about it after the game because they've blown a lead hundred kind of going on with this team right now. Dr. Glenn even study yesterday's as like we are not getting scoring chances like we used to come in every four or five shifts like. We're not just rolling line after line and pinning them in the offensive. His own and wearing teams down is just not how it's going for them right now. No lot of the kind of advanced physical numbers like five on five would tell you that some of that stuff's going to even out at some point but there's also the points made that If you take penalties like you're taking penalties it's not gonNA even out because you're not going to be five on five as much as you want or when you are five on five. You'RE GONNA have jumbled blinds because you're you know putting that Marcia so patty glass trio out there which actually has been relatively effective point being. But you're not getting the lines you want. You're not rolling on the way you want when you're constantly getting out of the penalty boxer adjusting in different ways to the game. I I think that's probably the one consistent criticism that they deserve is the penalties this year because I was something the first two years that they were among the least east penalized teams in the League and this year. It's whether it's because they're half step behind and they have to use their stick charter cover and they're getting trips trips and holds and all these stick infraction you know type penalties and things or it's you know if you WANNA call him back 'cause 'cause I know it Jar Gland probably wouldn't say super publicly. But you know I mean. He said he's not necessarily happy with a few of the calls. You know hasn't agreed with every call so I mean maybe there's an element of that. Were a couple of gone against them by. That's the one consistent issue I would say for a team. That's supposed to be good. You just keep leading teams. Hang around because you're taking penalties because you're giving them two minutes on the power play and then they have the momentum after that and it's it's just been too hard to recover from for for the nights. Yeah I would say that and I mean the turnovers I in plain and simple. They've made way too many passes this year that it should not be made and I think it goes back to patch right. He's point where this is. You know a really talented team. But it's not the twenty one thousand nine hundred and Tampa Bay lightning where they can fling the puck all around the ice and they can shoot from wherever and have it go in. I mean this is a team that I mean what they say they have to. I think grind teams down on more than not on the four check. You know they can't always just play Blue Line of Blue Line knock. Even though there's some other lines are really good like the first signs really good at it but the I also really good pitting you back and cycling in the offensive zone and so that's what I got really frustrated after the Washington game we got asked asked about that and he was probably pulling what remains of his hair out because they keep turning the puck over in ways that a veteran team because this is one of the oldest team the National Hockey League like these guys have been around the block. I mean they should know better in terms of when a coach tells you. Hey make simpler passes. Don't turn it over or or hey. We can't take so many penalties stop reaching start. Moving your feet. They should be able to listen or at the very least you know from what we've heard about the locker room be able to look look inward and say like hey guys. This isn't acceptable. We gotTA clean it up. Maybe we see that response tonight. But we'll see I mean it's an interesting stretch coming up. It's you know five of the six yes at home. There's a good handful of teams that are I. Guess you know out of playoff spots are are things like that. If you're going to go on a run if you're GONNA make some hey if you're you're GONNA go on to win streak because I don't think they won more than two games in a row this year and I think the current three game losing streak is the longest of the season. So I mean it's it's been so up in like if you're GonNa get going and get on a run. The seems like a good time to do it. Because then you got a tough trip. You Know Nashville Dallas coming up you know Arizona kind of at the end of the month so if they're gonNA get going here and and that that Thanksgiving you know being in the playoff spot thanksgiving kind of magic magic marker that we've always talked about it's it's you know I don't know what the Star but but it's clearly like dots If you're GONNA hit the race like the quarter pole you need to be in a playoff spot at that point. So if they're going to get on a run here with the UH the next handful of games here at home. This would be a good time to do it. No absolutely and you know as much as we've talked about You know the nights problems or what. They need to clean gene up. They are still just two points out of a playoff spot in the Pacific actually there in the second wildcard spot right now because they have the tiebreaker. With the Winnipeg jets. I believe right now. So they are in the playoff spots. But there's still a lot of things to clean up Dave and I will keep you posted on all the goings on with the Golden Knights over the next week and into the future. We'll hit you up every Wednesday with a podcast. Remember to find us on Itunes stitcher wherever you get your podcast spotify like review. Tell us we're terrible. We'll still take it. And of course follow all our coverage at review journal Dot Com once again want to remind you the Golden Age podcast is presented by. Sdn Sports Mogul. Thanks so much for listening everyone. He's Shane we'll catch you again real soon.

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Pink Eye: The Sequel

Hockey Today

28:53 min | 3 years ago

Pink Eye: The Sequel

"The. Is that game misconduct podcast with Don league-record and welcome to the Wednesday edition of game conduct. I am Dom McGregor. Here's an update on the guy still there, and you can make a case. It looks for us. So no hurry dad as far as that's concerned, but we sold. You're on the cool thing about pink is it really doesn't bother you. Otherwise, it's just something that's very, very contagious and people still wondering near you and kind of question at home because nobody wants to be. Infected by this thing, and it just a big pain in the next show, hey, things could be worse. I could be Brady ca, Chuck of the Ottawa Senators who's got torn ligaments in his leg is gonna miss a month. So you hate to see these young kids, especially since he was off to such a great start getting hurt. So pink guy, pink eye or pink, Schmidt guy. You got a legitimate NHL players starting his career, and he has to miss a month of it because of ligaments in. So obviously everybody's got their cross to bear and his certainly a lot worse than mine. So we sold. You're on with this and go over what was a fantastic set of games last night in the National Hockey League punch of places that we can start devils, the only unbeaten team in the National Hockey League as their perfect four on the season after a three, nothing shutout of Dallas. Keith Kincaid faced only twenty four shots, but made all the saves when you consider the firepower Dallas has. That's pretty impressive. Kyle. Paul, Mary scores again, that seven goals for him in four games. So he is just off to just a ridiculous start. So. So people starting to pay attention to this devils team. Now you look and say, oh, well, they played four home games. We'll technically they were home in Sweden, so they haven't played a road game yet. So the three games of the rock and the first game of the season against Edmonton in Sweden, but still a very impressive start. And when you consider Pittsburgh's off to slow start, so of the Rangers Washington's lost a couple of games in a row. New Jersey can get all the points they can get now before things begin to settle down. As the great day. Maloney told me many, many times that points don't go bad. So as soon as you get those points up there, they stay there. So that's eight points for the devils, and that's a great start for them. And of course, neither has got to be concerned a little bit Keith Kincaid played well, and you're not supposed to lose your starting job because of injury, but a double team that kind of comes in with a lot of curiosity, right. Many people including myself belt that they would take a step back. They really didn't make any kind of serious improvements from the team that made the playoffs last year and they made the playoffs partially because of a great start to the season. But also because Taylor hall just went nuts. At the end of the year, and you just can't expect to do that all the time. But now you're starting to see expectations begin to change when you get off to a star like that and Kincaid it's been good. So I think he should start until further notice Rangers win their second game in the last three is they win in the shootout over the avalanche. Three to David Quinn is continuing to toy with his team. He'll moves from fourth line center to second line wing Spooner moves to centering the fourth line, Pablo butchnevich Adam mcquaid Tony, the Angelo healthy, scratches in this one. So David Quinn continues to tore the line of, but why not? You lose four your first five games. You gotta continue to figure out what's going to work, and this seemed to work, but was the most impressive thing to me is you got a young coach, David Quinn coaching in his sixth National Hockey League game going into that game, you guys, we need to be more aggressive. We've got to fire more shots on goal and would they do? They went out and had nineteen shots on goal. In the first period finished the game with forty one. Now they didn't. Finish. They only had two goals, but they tightened up when they needed to in the third period was tied at two going into the third at stay tied to land discography and McKinnon hit the post in overtime and both were stopped in the shootout as the Rangers get an important two points and Henrik Lundqvist earns correct. Number four hundred thirty. Three side. Note in this one is Nathan MacKinnon scored a goal. That's his seventh goal of the season. He scored a goal in all six of the avalanches games that is a new franchise record for the most goals to start a season consecutive games with a goal to start the season, and he breaks the record that son Dene had set in the early portion of the ninety. Two ninety three season with the Quebec Nordiques. So that's kind of how significant McKinnon has been for this team, but they come up short and they lose in overtime in shootout after losing in overtime on Saturday against the Calgary Flames. So they are earning points but not getting wins over the last couple, we told you how desperate Philadelphia and Florida. We're going into this game. And both teams played desperate a six, five shootout win for Philadelphia. Wayne Simmons gets a huge couple of goals for the the flyers, and this is again the the point. That's a problem really for both of these teams is the goaltending you saw a five, five tie through regulation and overtime. So forget the six to Philadelphia had because that was earned in the shootout five goals, both teams on twenty six shots. So Hutchinson makes the start for Florida. He makes twenty one saves and for the Philadelphia Flyers, Pickard ends up relieving Elliott who allowed four goals and then Pickard allowed a goal, but he hung around long enough to be able to earn the win. So goaltending continue to be a problem for both of these teams. Philadelphia trying to figure it out until hearts, ready to get called up for the minor leagues, Florida, trying to figure it out as they're waiting for a Bertel along to return. But that seemed to be disturbing to me. We're talking about all the shots on goal. All the goals. Twenty six shots should not produce five goals, but it did for both of these teams, but Philadelphia earns the two points. Florida's still looking for their first victory of the season. It's time to start paying attention to the Vancouver Canucks because they just continue to find ways to win games and impressive style. And obviously the bay big conversation going into this one with Pederson of being hurt for what happened with Matheson over the weekend. So it's not even just him that they're still able to find a win way to win games. Gansel gets the unassisted goal in the first period, but then Hutton and Sutter get goals to make it a two one game at the end of one period of play. Okay. That's an interesting. What's significant to me is here's a team that I think there are still question marks and gold Nelson was between the pipes for Vancouver last night and it stayed till two one until sixteen forty. Six of the third period when haggling scores on a two on one kessel and Malcolm to get the assist the tie the game up. So. And Cougars trying to milk a two period. One goal lead against one of the best offense of teams in the league and almost did it. They just had the breakdown on the two on one haggling scores to tie it. But then Brock Besser waited, no more than thirty four seconds in overtime to give Gant Vancouver the extra point in the overtime victory. So Pittsburgh kind of minimal as here I understand the playing without Murray. They've lost it in the shootout to Montreal now lose to Vancouver in overtime. So Pittsburgh kind of in a Malays here, but Vancouver getting the points. And as I mentioned, same of the devils these points don't go bad, but Vancouver has been very interesting. Carolina gets off to the four. Oh, and one start and that loss back to back games in regulation as they lose to Tampa by the final score of four to two, but they continue to get shots on goal forty of them in this game, but just too much Tyler Johnson. He had two goals for Tampa in the wind. Minnesota picks up a win. They just had to have. We talked about it yesterday, right? Minnesota. They're playing with fire and a divisions already got Nashville in Winnipeg Chicago off to a great start. The can't really. Mess around here. Your take on an arid teams that has struggled to score goals. Eric stall gets his second of the year that comes in the third period. Early breaks. The one one time Minnesota gets out of dodge with the whim. Maybe the best game of the night was Winnipeg and Edmonton and Edmonton wins the game in overtime by the final score of five to four. But what's interesting about this one is is the Edmonton's and all kinds of trouble, right? They've got this unbelievable schedule coming up. They had such a disappointing year. Last year. Tom McLaughlin might be the first coach that's fired, right? So this all this stuff swirling around the Oilers. So they're down four one to one of the best teams in the league going into the third period and you're figuring all right, this is this is the we've seen this narrative before right? Did Edmonton is gonna lose this game and they've just gonna lose a bunch of games and they're going to go quietly into that good night, three unanswered goals for the Oilers Radhi mcdavid and pull the RV score three unanswered goals in Winnipeg in the third period, and they spread them out to Radhi early eighteen. Seconds in mcdavid at to Twenty-eight pool, the army then scores with about six and a half minutes to go in regulation to tie the game up at four. And then we get to overtime, and it's Darnell nurse a minute twenty five seconds in to win it. So you're down four one in Winnipeg and you come away with two points. Maybe this could be a turning point for this team. We know they have talent. We know that this team has plenty of speed and plenty of goals scores. You're looking for a turning point. Maybe it's just an aberration, maybe Winnipeg which just having a tough night and Evanston goes on the lose the next five. And it's the same narrative that it's been for two years now with the Oilers, but avai turn this thing around circle. October, sixteenth in Winnipeg is maybe we'll finally brought it together. And then how about this stat. Every single goal that Edmund tinted scored going into overtime all season. Okay. Not just in the game against Winnipeg all season long. Every game that Edmonton's played every goal that they have scored Connor mcdavid bidding on it, either scoring the goal or getting an assist, including the four goals. They scored in regulation last night in Winnipeg. And then when Darnell nurse scored in overtime with Ryan nugent-hopkins on the assist and the only assist it's the first goal that Edmonton scored. The mcdavid didn't earn a point that's a stretch of two hundred forty one minutes and twenty five seconds that breaks record. There was originally held by Adam Oates for the eighty six eighty seven, Detroit Red Wings of the longest span of time where someone other than Adam Oates was in on a goal. So someone other than Connor mcdavid a two hundred forty one minutes in two thousand five seconds comic day. David is good, but that really underlines all the problems with the Oilers. It's Connor mcdavid and really nobody else that's close, but maybe nurse and Ryan nugent-hopkins. Combining on that overtime goal could maybe be the turning point for Evanston in a huge win and Vegas trying to get back on track here. Finally, scoring some goals, a four one win over the the Buffalo Sabres Marsha show gets his third that made the game one. Nothing in the first period. In the second period, Cody Eakin gets his third of the year, and then Carlson gets his first of the season after the big huge season. Last year finally gets his first here in the third period. Sabotka made it interesting with a goal nineteen. Twenty-three, the third period of three. One of the Marsha show, finishes it off with an empty netter gets his second of the game. So Vegas is kinda been been a while for them to get things going here bit. But maybe the fact that the Marsha shows now heated up with a couple of goals. Finally, Carlson gets on the board with a goal. Maybe we'll start to see Vegas get hot here. I have no say in this David Quinn's not gonna pay attention to me. It would be a really tough spot to Alexander Georgi of up against Washington. I think it's a really tough spot a Hanks played well, it's early in the season. You got a chance here to try to give yourself to more points and win a couple of games in a row. You don't play again until Sunday at home against Calgary, if it were me and I know we've talked a lot about trying to reduce the load on Hank, but you gotta get points if you want to stay alive here in the way the schedules look in, I would probably play Hank in the next to book your have just looked lost against Carolina last Sunday. And that's a tough building to go in and play. He knows the situation better than I do, but I wouldn't be surprised if hangs between the pipes islanders to to start the season, oh, being anti to take on the doctors. They're going through their western swing. The ducks off to a four one and one start which has been terrific. Another surprise in the National Hockey League, Montreal, their home for the Saint Louis blues for a seven o'clock, start three one and won Montreal on the year. We'll. See if we get carried price back between the pipes today, ride in the EMMY since price was a little under the weather blues. Only one win the season at one to two and the Calgary Flames. The nine thirty start that'll be on NBC sports net. The second game of the doubleheader flames playing host to the Boston Bruins Bruins off to terrific, started foreign one, and we'll see what the flames can do. They had impressive victory against the Colorado Avalanche, really tough sledding against the Boston Bruins team. You start making mistakes. You start taking a couple of shifts off this Boston team can beat you senseless. That's how good they've been so far this season. So we'll keep an eye on that one. I, let's hear from you at download Graca hashtag game has conduct forever t. eight says after washing last night, could be the surprise of the year making the playoffs or is this just a nice October start? Well, the easy answer is it's the nice October start, but. You could say, Pederson being in the lineup, wasn't in the lineup last night, Brock Besser staying healthy right whore vats been very good for them, but to the key to me is Ken Marcus in and Nielsen be legitimate goaltenders and give them a chance to win. Now, I think as the season wears on the holes get exposed. So these great starts with Ottawa and Montreal, and Vancouver. I mean, eventually you're gonna hit the skids, and can you bounce back from it? But these points still mean something you still earn them. They're winning on the road, they're coming from behind. They're doing all the things that team should do. And I think Travis green is a tremendous coach and given that a second year, get a chance to really have his personality be on this team. So it's a wait and see attitude, but I do think it's just a good start according to this. I Don. I have to say the Rangers played their best period of the year so far last night lot more jump and attack in their game, and the defense is coming along. What are your thoughts. On the heat will Hays zuccarello line from last night while the coach was impressed with it. Little less heavy lifting for will, being on the wing Hayes gets his first goal of the season Zouk China around in the form. It's really three guys, you know, to underachievers early in the season and hazing zuccarello a young guy trying to find his way, and he put them all together and it produced last night for a win. So we'll see if he keeps that in touch or ski that still connected in the game tonight. According to assess PS hoped, the pink guy is getting better. I had about of it myself a couple of months ago. Yuck. Yuck is the best way to describe it. Sam says, hey, non, I'm sure you're frustrated by staying away from the kiddos with your conjunctiva. Hope you don't catch. They don't catch it. What a pain in the eye for sure. And it says, torture, wash my hands constantly. I'm able to pick up the kids, but I really can't play with them. And it's so frustrating to see them want to play and then I can't do it. So it's it's breaking my heart. What did you think of the yesterday's Rangers lineup? I love the. Energy they played with, they can peed, which is all you want. See, that's a great point by Sam. The record is in what they wanted to be losing four, their first six, but the effort has been there, and I think that's what you wanna see and it and you want to see a pay dividends points in the standings for sure. But right now, I think you have to be happy with the effort. Really the only questionable effort that they've had or at least questionable execution was the game in Carolina were completely got away from them and they eight five loss. But I do think of Hank was between the pipes of might have been a bit of a different result, but I think everybody played poorly that night and certainly your was not given the the greatest of opportunities to win that game. So he'll get his chance at some point to prove that that was just a fluke. But you know, so far four, two and four is not anything that you want. But I think if you watch every game, you have to be really happy with the effort. Eric is asking the sixty. Four thousand dollar question could be looking at Kincaid is a legit number one goaltender for the devils even when Schneider returns and listen, he did it last year. He's doing it so far this year, I think it's you have a responsibility right to go with the guy that gives you the best chance to win on a given night. And the one thing I will say ratio did not make the trade with Vancouver during Cory Schneider here. All right. So I'm sure he wants him to be successful. I'm sure the organization for all the money that they're paying Snyder would like him to be the number one goaltender, but in this world where it's about wins and you get graded on wins. Salary-cap be damned. The feelings be damned who gives me the best chance to win on that given night. And so far the early answer in the season, even though it's only been four games has been caved. Alex, James Wilson says, if you saw the Taylor hall penalty for delay of game last night, how can they justify it? It was obviously blatant, but it was still chipped into the bench, not over the glass. Is that still at the referee's discretion because of it being flagrant. That's a great question because always always into the understanding that if it ends up in the bench, it is not a penalty and they could see that the puck was in the bench. So I'd have to find out more information about that Alex, but he was always my understanding that it had to go over the glass not in the bench, not in the penalty box. So I'll try to get you some information there. New York Rangers fanatic says, I like what I saw from the Rangers last night play like that all season. The future of this team is very bright. Also, what should you say is the? What would you say is the most competitive division? Thanks for everything that you guys in the NHL network. Do. It's good to hear hockey. Talk. Most competitive division to me. That's a great question. The metro divisions interesting of Carolina is legit and the devils are legit. Those are two teams. You probably didn't have high in the division of beginning of the year. You figured I'd it's going to be Washington Pittsburgh. Columbus is the three teams in the metro division and they everybody else is going to have to scramble for the wild cards. Now, again, it's early, but if Carolina and New Jersey are going to be good all year long now that really puts things up for grabs because you know, Washington is going to be there at the end the day, SOS Pittsburgh, but those guys are off to slow starts. Now, Columbus has been pretty good, six points in the first five games, but they have really underachieved overall. So as Philadelphia, they've been disappointing only earning appointment are on pace for eighty two points that's not gonna make the playoffs. So I do think the cream will rise to the top. But again, the points don't go bad. So of Carolina, New Jersey continue to win that that can make it the most competitive division because. If you already had pigeonholed the three, the top three and now two teams, you didn't even have maybe making the playoffs. Now in the top three, it is going to be a scramble for those wildcard positions really as now there's a lot of bottom feeders in the Eastern Conference Detroit's in rebuild buffaloes in rebuild. I do think that eventually Montreal is going to show its warts over the long season. Ottawa. Certainly a team that struggles to this. I'm beaters their Rangers look like they're at a rebuild, although the still very competitive, but probably not a playoff team. I owners, they're going to have to prove that they can win without JT and the lineup. So there's a lot more. I think bottom feeders at the at the bottom of the Eastern Conference in the Western Conference, but that metro could be very, very interesting. Bobbio says, follow up yesterday, Don. Why not include shea in a deal for Neil under Rangers? Have a lot of defense on the way and defense. It should be a priority for Leafs who are in the win. Now mode Shays contract is reasonable, and the Leafs will be in capital next year. Well. That's just me take. I've watched shade developed. Okay. Part of the reason they were able to let go of guys like mcdonagh and Gerardi and they were getting older and eventually stall who's the elder statesmen there on the blue line was that look at the growing pains that Shay has gone through a now you're starting to see a pay dividends when you have young players like peon like the Angelo guys that are in the system, it's going to take a while for them to. So it'd be a tough give up. It would be, and of course the money you'd have to pay any lender. So I, I'm not sure I wanna go there, but you make an excellent point. I think Toronto would wanna make that deal because I do think shea would be a perfect fit for them because he can pinch you can play offensively. Begin also be a stay at home guy and be responsible, but it's a tough give up it is. It really is. Irene says, Erik Carlsson hasn't been good defensively making poor decisions and turning the puck over. Do you think he'll get more comfortable as the season goes on being on the west coast? I didn't watch him too often in Ottawa to know if this is typical. Of him. Well, listen, nobody is ever going to mistake, Eric Carlson for Ken danika. Okay. I mean, he's not a stay at home guy. His best attributes is that he's an offensive machine. He can skate, he can shoot now what ended up happening in the latter stages of Ottawa, especially when Bush was there, taught him to be a little bit more defensive minded, but he is skills and his abilities are more to the line of being a really good offense of guy. So I don't think anybody again is going to confuse him for that. Stay at home. Grizzled defensive end that's gonna be blocking shots and shutting teams down. Now I do think he can play better defensively, don't get me wrong, and I will give him the benefit of the doubt because of all the changes with a new system and the new team playing with different players. It's gotta be jarring when you're an auto a one minute you're in San Jose, the next expectations looming. Everybody thought that that was gonna be the final piece to the sharks winning their first Stanley Cup. So it's gonna take. Some time, you know, I like an, it's a win. LeBron James went to Miami, right? All they're going to win the championship. They ended up going to the final that you're losing to Dallas, but they played like very average. The first fifteen games of the season. It takes some time. So I mean, I'd hang in there, but let's not forget. This is not somebody that. Is what he is because of his defensive abilities. Tim kale says, mcdavid Matthews McKinnon have redefined what it is to be a number one center in this league power speed passing and a killer Rishaad. You really can't be average anymore to be a top line center mcdavid really outdid himself last night. Absolutely. And he's out, did himself all season long. You make a great point because we're seeing it with the Rangers, you know, Hayes being center and he'll playing center and eventually Laos Anderson coming up and playing center. The way this game is being played now at the level that it's being played with the speed and and the ability to do things with speed. Connor mcdavid is one of the fastest players in the league. But he can do so many things while being fast. Give me an example. Carl Haglund could race Connor mcdavid and probably beat comic David rice because I think Carl Haglund's one of the fastest guys, but Carl Haglund can't do what Connor mcdavid could do at that speed. Connor mcdavid can pass shoot deflect shots, do all the things that he can do at the top rate speed a lot of guys they can fly, but they can't do all the things that they should do that got a slow it down for them to be able to knock Connor mcdavid not McKinnon. These are these are special special players and they're given the room now to be able to take advantage of that. So you're right to give the keys to the castle and play center. You're going to need wings that can keep up with you. I think that's the problem in Edmonton, and you've got to have the ability to fly. This is this sport is faster than it's ever been. It's faster than it was in the eighties. I'm telling you it looked fast in the eighties with. All the goals being scored, but you had guys that probably didn't belong on the ice and goaltenders the weren't nearly as good as they are today. You have to be really. And warp speed. Mark says, how long until they as Anderson is called up from Hartford. Thanks Don was playing well in Hartford, nana's to continue. So I think we're probably sooner than later, especially when you're seeing David Quinn toying with the lineup, eventually maybe the idea comes to give Anderson that kind of a shot. But I do think they're going to be patient, but I do think you're gonna see him before the end of the year. I was looking forward to this Chris course are flyer guy says, hi, Don. Just when I think I have all the answers to the flyers. They changed the questions. They're not up and down from game to game. It's period the period. It's easy and they have in its early and they have injuries to j. VR and Patrick, but is this inconsistency more on the players or coaches? Well, again, you're talking about significant players. They went out and got a Van Dyke for a reason in free agency. They drafted Patrick second overall for a reason. So you lose players like that. It's going to affect you. I'm not in love with your goaltending at all. So that's been inconsistent. It's still early, I think they'll find themselves, but I understand that it's driving you a little crazy five and a major says, hi, Don with the emergence of our young talent. As this make Zabana jet expendable, he's not playing up to his contract, his injuries, injury prone and has no movement clause which kicks in next season. I say trade them. It's interesting five in a major because I. I do think there are times he's the best player in the ice. I called the game on Saturday against Edmonton. I thought he was in that first half of the game. He was better than anybody else on the ice. He helps you on the power play now. Maybe those are things that can garner you more in return. And as you mentioned, you can't move them after next year, and that's going to be a bit of a problem. He's a tough give up because I like him and I think he's very, very talented, but I'd have to see the package if it's really good, then I think maybe you have to do it, but I'm not really sure that is a very, very, very difficult question. David hind says for God to ask last week, but what's your opinion on the pres- raising presidents trophy and regular season, Western Conference, champion, banners, Bs, hope. The pink is doing better. Don't want you getting double pink guy like Bob Costas had years ago headed the lympics which really stunk. I made me on my way to double pink the way things are going lately with me and my health, but listen, it's a nontraditional hockey market. They're trying to celebrate what they've been able to accomplish. But to me, there's one banner you put up in one. Manner only and that's a Stanley Cup championship banner. All right. Some teams like to put up when you win a division like to put up when you win the presidents trophy. I'm kinda cool with that. I guess it's an accomplishment to do those things, but really you win the Western Conference. That's kind of implied when you win the presidents trophy, you can't not win your conference. If you're the best team in the league, it does get a little corny. You know, back in the day you had your Patrick division, right? You'd win the Patrick division. Did you win the Patrick division and the regular season, or did you win the Patrick division by getting to the conference file? It's convoluted. I mean, when you look at banners up, they're the ones that people care the most about of the banners that say, how many championships have you one and the retired numbers. Okay. Some organizations like to get cute and fill it up with division championships, and most points and baba. The ones that matter, retired numbers and cops, and I'm telling you eventually Nashville will be able to fill their ceilings with both the way that team and that way that organization is run. But I did think. It was a little silly fans like it. I guess all these things are for the fans right and the for the ceremonies to get people into the seats. But it does look a little ridiculous if you look up at the rafters, see a bunch of banners and none of them are a Stanley Cup that gets to be a little silly. A lot of fun today tomorrow. No podcast. I'm going to tell you why Michael k, there's a special luncheon for him as he was inducted into the New York baseball hall of fame. So we're going to be doing that for most of the day, and then I gotta do the case show. So I don't wanna promise doing a podcast and then try to half ass it because we're running around like crazy because of the lunch that we have. So no podcast tomorrow, but will be back on Friday, hot and heavy. Finally on Friday, I think we've played enough hockey. Everybody's played at least four games. We can come up with a top five on Friday, so semi your tweets and let me know who you think the top five teams are will recap all the games that were played on Wednesday and Thursday. So we'll be back with you on Friday zone. I apologize, no podcast tomorrow, but it just going to be a little bit too crazy. So I figured I'd give you the heads up now where the rather than sending a tweet tomorrow saying, we're not doing it so no pod tomorrow. Back on Friday, we'll have the top five send your questions at the Greg hashtag game. Conduct. This was fun, and this was also the Wednesday dishing of game escon. Listening to gain misconduct podcast, looking for more dumb McGregor. Hear him on the Michael can show weekdays from three to seven. PM on ninety eight point, seven ESPN in New York and worldwide on the ESPN app. I don't forget to subscribe to the game misconduct podcast on the ESPN app, Google play music, apple podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts.

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Golden Knights training camp takeaways

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Golden Knights training camp takeaways

"This is Brandon Kelly, the host of blue wires new podcast golden goal. Thanks everybody. From Lionel Messi to Marta to Palay. Our show takes a deep dive into soccer superstars do. Meghan ripping from Zlatan Ibrahimovic Brash confidence with the play to back it up. To Meghan Rickey knows heroic outspokenness and World Cup flair. Each. Episode examines a personality of the world's game. We'll dig into Maradona's hand of God performance and subsequent downfall. The teenage trio at Dorton that signaled the next generation superstars. and that infamous headbutting sets lungs in Edina Dan from glory. Golden goal soccer stars and the moments that made them. Premiering this summer on blue, wire. What is of hockey fans? This is golden edge podcast the PODCAST for the LAS. Vegas Review Journal talks once again about real live hockey at city, national. Goldeneye training camp is still ongoing. We're talking on Tuesday. July twenty first team second scheduled off day on training camp, and we want to discuss all of our observations in what we've seen so far before we do that. I WanNa remind everyone that the gold niche podcast is presented by favor a favor dot com also please check out all our written word at Review Journal, DOT, com and rate review subscribe to this guest. Whatever you, the PODCASTS did to this one because it helps people find us, I of course am. Review Journal Gold Nights beat writers than goats. Join me on the other line, a guy who has been socially distancing from me for the past week or so he's had share like six feet away from me at city. National arena is Dave Shane. A day of is good to talk to Albie we are now much further away from from each other than usual, because of course. We are recording of from our respective homes, but the how are you? Good. Good, I know even like when we chat in the parking. Lot afterward were like. Twenty feet apart of the car like shouting across He. You know the Hyundais and everything, so but yeah, yeah, it's been. It's been cool to get back in like a little bit of a routine. I feel a little bit more normal now, so that's nice. Yeah, for sure I definitely feel more normal now to you. When I feel like my my lovely girlfriend and dog appreciate. The I'm spending some time apart from them. Absence makes the heart curl fonder. As we say so. We're like I, said earlier off the top. We're GONNA touch on some of our. Macro and micro- takeaways from Golden Knights training camp, but before we dive into some of those micro things we've observed. Let's just quick touch on some of our overall impressions of camp have. been now that we've been. Going at it for a week, instead of today's like it was the last time we recorded Davis. Anything jumped out at you the past week. Surprise you impress to anything like that. No. I mean I still continue to just. Kind of see where other teams are outer on the League in compared to where the Golden. Knights are I just. You know we. We've heard it kind of going back to. Even that first Sunday before they, they started training camp from Kelley. Kremlin. You know about feeling like they wanted a competitive advantage in feeling like having everybody back you know for phase two and being on the ice and sort of being ahead of the game was was going to give them that advantage, and we've heard it kind of throughout for the last week. Plus you know these guys talking about you know the conditioning already being. They're not meaning to to spend time on that and all that sort of stuff so. It's something the players of talked. There was an obvious commitment It was something that they wanted to hold themselves accountable for and I. Think it's been pretty evident in the first week plus. Yeah I think it both I guess it's been an advantage in multiple ways in some ways that are not quite obvious, because be no pizza board touched on this yesterday because they held a thirty minute scrimmage where after fifty minutes they switch sides, and he's also even though that they're conditioning is already there. He's also pushing them super hard right away because he knows that they have a little bit more cushion to get ready compared to some other teams. Teams they're not GonNa be in the play in round like a lot of the other western conference team, and they're not gonNA, have to jump into a door. Die Playoff series right away. They get to jump into round Robin Games already been I think pretty heavily hinted at by the nights that while they would obviously love to win those games and become the number one seed in the western conference. They're also not going to you. Know cry over it. They don't do well and they end up still in the three spot or even dropped the four spot. They're kind of using that. Extra Leeway that they have to not jump into Super Competitive Games right away to kind of pace themselves and try not to push it too hard, because like I said, we saw a big thirty minutes scrimmage yesterday, but you know like a team like the Toronto Maple leafs. That has to jump into play in round has been doing this whole training camp scrimmage series where? where it's t matthews versus team Anderson I saw the Minnesota wild on Saturday did a full sixty minutes scrimmaged with three periods, and even went into overtime. So while the nights I think certainly could do that. I think is interesting. That coach to kind of said we don't need to do that though we can kind of take our time a little bit more and maybe focused on the minutiae of our game a little bit before kind of really feeling like we have to simulate hardcore game action. Yeah, we've kind of seen. It's been obvious the way it's slowly, but surely kind of ramped up and they've mixed in a little bit. More of the physicality. We saw that one practice over the weekend that. Was, obviously, you know a lot of contact in in a lot of physicality. I know there was a video that I was able to issue. Where you know mark, stone got knocked down. Play Derek England flat and Jonathan Marches so on the same play like you know earlier in the in in that practice, Jonathan March so in John Marilyn barreling into the boards and Look like. I mean it looks like a game for for a minute I mean they went in hard, so so it's not like nights are exactly taking it easy out there and yeah, it's different. They seem to be a little bit different stage in and a little bit different priority than maybe some of those teams that you mentioned that that are GonNa play in that qualifying round, but but you can kind of see the plan. As the weeks gone along in in what Peter Bourne his staff in the team is sort of emphasized. They've sort of focused on. Special teams and things like that where where they've, they've amped up that physicality like I said so you can sort of see a clear blueprint in place for for where the nights are headed. It'll be interesting kind of the next week or so before they head off to Edmonton. Focus is on in in you know the intensity level, and how rashes ratchets up if I can say that correctly. Over the next few days before they get to Edmonton yeah definitely and then one more thing I want to touch on before we get into like more nitty gritty topics is A. Semi good news for night's pretty much. Everyone is still healthy. The one exception is Max Patch ready. Who did not skate with the Golden Knights yesterday as part of that scrimmage. We were only able to get I believe it was. Unable to practice yesterday from pizza, or it's a very general term, which is all we're going to get from now on because the players association. Negotiations with the League on the return to play stuff basically said hey, we don't want. The media and the public, basically to find out if one of us has covid so the solution that they came up with is basically they're only going to describe injuries from now on in very general terms, the the standard issue line that has been taking place league-wide in which pete toward in quite know yesterday is. Fit to play or unfit to play if someone's down on the ice that just means they're unfit to play whether that means, it's a positive test or an injury, whether it's a short term, injury or long-term injury, even if it's the old upper body injury lower body injury, we no longer to know. We just get to know whether they're fit to play or unfit. Supply which is. Kind of comical in a lot of ways I might be biased as a member of the media, but I don't think it's quite doing what the players intended it to do. Especially because we saw yesterday that the NHL said they only have two positive tests out of the latest round of testing the took place before training camps, so there's certainly not that many guys that have actually contracted Kobe nineteen in the NHL recently, but all of these guys whether they have Kobe or an injury are being treated the same though I should take pains to. To point out that pizza bore mentioned that Max. Patch ready specifically does not have Cohen one thousand nine. He said that you know in the interest of patch. He's family he'd specified that Patty is not have covert one thousand, nine, hundred, some sort of unspecified ailments that kept him out of practice yesterday, but other than that we should probably like I, said take a time dimension that compared to certainly where this group was coming into the League's pause. They are coming out of it. You know much more complete for lack of a better term. Yeah this point although I. I don't WanNa. Totally downplay the patch ready situation I mean I think? I feel like at least the way. The team handled it the way it was phrased in everything like that. It was very different than the week before when Marc Andre Fleury was was gone, that was made very clear to us. That was a main stay and don't don't worry He'll be fine. Oh, we expect before the weekend and all that this time we got pizza aboard trying to kind of figure out how to phrase. It came up with unable to participate in, you know. And again like you mentioned at least we did find out from him in he did. I guess disclosed that it wasn't due to a positive test, and that's probably more than than we will get or could get to be quite honest. According to the NHL rules like you alluded to. I mean this is the way it's going to be going forward and we've sort of seen it around the league. We've seen it. You know in Boston in Chicago. You know other teams with with these guys when they become unfit, participate or whatever the phrase. The team uses it just ends up leading to two so much speculation and you've got agents coming out basically having a clear things up in in all that and like you said. The privacy was a big was a big sticking point for the NHL PA, but maybe the result of it isn't what they hope for an in and it's led to. You know maybe a different set of situations that that. Maybe they didn't account for here with with injuries and stuff I mean it's GonNa get. Real quiet as it goes forward, because I'm sure as these coaches say things, they're gonNA. Probably. Get word from the NHL hate. You said too much. Be Quiet. Just use the phrase on to play on Victor Participate. Move on so I mean we'll kind of see how this gets. Handle going forward in. More than anything short term as we'll see you know what's going on with touch ready if it's an injury, if it keeps him out for any length of time, you know or if it was something else and he shows up, you know it bit. Practices weaken. It becomes a non issue, but you know at least for right now. I mean it's. It's worth watching. That's for sure. Right, it's just hard to discuss more about it because we don't even have the general timelines. We used to get whether someone's Day to day week to week all that stuff, so that's all out the window. Now it's just unfit to play or fit to play, but that's certainly something to keep an eye on other stuff to keep an eye on or at least stuff that we have our eye on watching the first couple of days of camp. What I to start off talking about is of course, probably the most fascinating. Debate battle I. Don't know how you exactly should put it in camp. Wishes, of course the goaltending. First of all right off the bat. It's been really good whether it's Marc, Andre Fleury or Robin Lehner. For the most part I think they've both performed really well when they've been out there since we last talked, flurry was of course unavailable at the start of training camp. He's now been back for the past couple of days. The nights maintained as Dave, said the whole time that. It was just maintenance days. He of course skated for five weeks during a face to the league's return to play protocols, the small group workouts, so it was more about making sure that he was fully recovered and ready to go for the stretch run rather than it sounded like any. Ailment that they were working on. Incense flurries been back in camp like I said he's been really good Robin. Leonard has been pretty much. Unbeatable. Flurry ended up giving up a three goals in them Monday scrimmage that we watched yesterday, but that was mainly because I. Think the guys in front of them did a very poor job of protecting his crease. Two of the goals were rebounds. Another one was point shot through traffic, and so I don't think. He deserves a ton of blame on those three goals, and then Leonard just gave up one to either Derek, England or nick cousins. We didn't have replay to determine whether the puck went off. Nick cousins skate or not of Dave what's been your impressions of both goalies. So far in camp. I mean to be quite honest. Nothing against Marc Andre Fleury because we only saw him for a couple of days, but What's really jumped out at me is just how how good Robin Liners look to be quite honest, and I'm not saying that he should necessarily be the game one starter right now or anything like that, but but he's clearly come back. You know he put in time during face to and he's been. He's just been a wall I. Mean I, think we talked about it a little bit last week and and we saw it. You know over the last handful of practices They just can't beat them. I think he gave a one goal in the scrimmage. Finally you know a couple of guys finally beat him in. Drills and things like that, but he's just looked really good and. If Marc. Andre Fleury is gonNA. Get the first nod, and he seems to be getting the first crack like the first rap. You know in drills and things like that, so if you're gonna read in things, you know in that way outweigh. US You would expect Florida probably. At least start the first round, robin game, or maybe starts I exhibition game. Depending on, you know how how does he seems to be kind of first in line, but? If they acquired Robin Lerner for Insurance and ingesting case or whatever. PHRASE YOU WANNA use for it. He's clearly ready like that's what's jumped out to me. Plus pads. A, you know. He called him a little busy by dilip pretty sweet. I kinda like him. Yeah I I, kind of disagree with them I don't think that busy and I think for people who don't have visual. He's got basically. A nights on each pad and I think shooting at them. Shooting at an armed knight would be pretty intimidating if I were an opposing player. Another thing to talk about with the goaltender says just how pizza bore has discussed how he's going to use them this postseason. Good good question, I think Well there have been plenty of examples of the starter going wire-to-wire in Stanley Cup playoffs. I think I. Think Kisa. You're seeing more of the both guys contributing in different. Points Pittsburgh's one cutback. Actually You A. Flower was there they both played last year, Washington. Her both guys plan. So you know I? Think me. The thought process on that is changing I think particularly with four months off a short training camp in a long playoff run way. might be even more important this year that both guys play games at different points so. It's a great luxury for us. I'm not going to be afraid to play either I. Don't know what that will look like we meet will be one guy starting the majority. Maybe we'll We'll go back and forth the. I'm really going to keep an open mind to this because of the situation. And the fact we have to Greg goalies. They say a healthy gut means a healthy. You Favor Apple CIDER. Vinegar shots bottle this feeling into the convenience of a two ounce shot better. Stronger immune system in the lowering of blood sugar levels are just some of the benefits to shooting daily favor shot. Their proprietary blends are raw, organic and mixed with other functional ingredients create better tasting experience. First shooters can go to drink a favor dot com. So it certainly interesting to me. That pizza bores pretty forthright about like hey, I wanna play both goalies I think it'd be beneficial to potentially play both goalies in this kind of crazy playoff scenario. We're going through where there's not a lot of. Build up time compared to obviously the normal place where you've played eighty two games. And obviously, Has a history with this in Pittsburgh where the last Stanley Cup. He won there before. Coming to the Golden Knights in the expansion draft. He played I believe it was fifteen games in the playoffs. Murray played ten games in the playoffs including the Stanley Cup final games, all of those and the penguins ultimately won the cup so Dave do you have any thoughts on whether this kind of goalie quote? Unquote rotation would be a good way to go in the playoffs. Do We Kinda by? Selling. That might be the way more teams go in the future, or is he trying to spin this the best he can to try to keep both guys engaged I. Mean I think it's how we define rotation here in. Like I mean, do you alternate games do? You know. Do you set up something? That's as close to a regular season scenarios. You can I I don't know like. To me. The playoffs is kind of go with the hot hand. You go with Guy So if you rotate, I guess during the exhibition in the Round Robin I completely agree with that I'm behind that night. And I would. You know back that I. Guess Thinking but I think you need a guy to start with and I. Don't think you go well. He's our game one starter. He's our game to than he's our game three and four and you. You don't alternate back. Yeah, I don't I that. I don't buy. That's regular season stuff. This is the playoffs in, and you gotTa ride somebody in in. You know if flurry struggles then you have the luxury of going to another guy. And if he gets a game for you and then struggles, you can go back to flurry. And he gets on a roll and that's what you consider. A rotation will then yeah I mean I. Guess I'm cool with that, but if we're going to define it as you know, one guy gets game, one gets game to then you just keep going back and forth. No I mom in the playoffs I'm not I wouldn't get behind a scenario like that. I tend to agree just because I think people underestimate the psychological kind of. For lack of veterans toll that that can take on guys. Where if you're playing well, and it's the playoffs you want to feel the belief of the coaching staff to go out there and perform you know in the highest stakes scenarios. For your teammates and so I think you know having vote of confidence from a coaching staff in that way can go along way whereas you know, it's kind of like quarterback competitions. Of course where it's the old, it can go with the old saying of if you have two quarterbacks, you really have none you want one guide to place your trust and confidence in and have him feel that. Hey, if you give up one softy, we're not just going to get you out of the net right away. Away and so I think it's GonNa. Be Interesting to see how bore tries to walk that Fine Line of you know instilling confidence in both guys potentially playing both guys, but not doing so in a way that would necessarily neglect or undercut them, and so it's a dance that you know. He provided some examples, but there hasn't been a whole lot of examples of this working at least in kind of the modern NHL even for the flurry penguin scenario I just described like I said earlier flurry i. I think only started four games where both guys were actually healthy, and they were the games that Matt Murray was healthy because he was coming off an injury to start the playoff, so murray watched from the bench for four games guide in the game, and then he was the guy rest of the way, and like I said he started all of the Penguins Stanley Cup final games of the other example that PD bore used was Washington, and even that's not perfect, because in two thousand eighteen when they. They of course defeated the. Golden Knights to win the Stanley Cup they had failed group. Our start their first two playoff games. Then he got yanked midway through game to Britain because in brain whole basically didn't leave the net the rest the postseason, so even in those scenarios. It's obviously not like you're really alternating guys. When there was a switch, there is a switch the rest of the postseason. We didn't see them. Go back to kind of the other guy that they were starting those teams so. It's going to be a fascinating thing to watch because you certainly do kind of get worse coming from where we have two great goalies and I WanNa lean into that advantage. It's just not something. A lot of teams have been able to do in the playoffs. I was just GonNa say it was brought up by a friend this week. That pizza. Boorda's not have history of alternating goalies in the playoffs like when he he was in new. Jersey, he had Martin Jordan wrote him to the to the Stanley Cup final win. He was in San Jose Martin. Jones got hot, and they wrote him the Stanley Cup finals so. Pete the borders necessarily have you know a resume of going back and forth between goals and things and I would even point to last last spring in the series against the Golden. Knights and everybody seemed be calling for Martin, Jones. To you know to be yanked in for Erin. Del started game in. He stuck with Martin. Jones Martin Jones. Got You know game six? In Vegas, and then they went back to to San Jose and we all know what happens, so it'll be kind of interesting in that regard to see how pibor handles. You know having to number one goalies. It never really had that before, so it's something that he's GonNa have to balance like you mentioned Ben. Yeah it'll definitely be a big storyline throughout the post-season another storyline that I certainly have my eyes on throughout camp, and will continue to have my eyes on as the plants get going is these third line which has received a lot of praise from Pete Deboer so far. He's put Chandler Stevenson. Nicholas Wa and Alex Tucked together. And for the most part it's looked like a pretty solid combination I. Don't think dead their best day in the scrimmage yesterday, but for the most part they've been pretty noticeable in drills. No, certainly we've talked about Alex talk a lot on this show, a guy who obviously had so so much promise in the goal nights inaugural season. Made good on a lot of that promise for about half of last year, and then he got demoted to the third line and has really struggled since then, and of course, this year has featured a lot of injuries and not a lot of consistency for talk. For most of that time. He was partnered with Cody Eakin, which is a center wing combination that just never seemed to click, so do we think that Chandler Stevenson and Nicholas Wa have a better chance to get more out of Alex. Tuck than than cody did. Dave you know it's hard to say? I am because I was looking at this a little bit in like where was Alex Tug successful where? were, were most of his points coming from in terms of who were who is skating with, and you know you go back and look at last year in you know even when he was with cody Corsi wise and all that sort of underlying number stuff, wasn't there? His most success seemed to be when he was with paddy in stashing when stashing got back, and then once Patrick got healthy and. It was a small kind of period and time obviously marched on got there, but you know that seems to be kind of the center that he he needs to be with. PAT, I'm sorry. Pastas one-time talked about Alex Tux game in and how as a given go center like that seems to work and I kind of think back to that. And I think what is referring to. Is You WANNA hit Alex Tuck like with speed on the rush. Get Him going through the neutral zone. You know a guy that that. He feeds the Puck to the new. Give right back to and same thing in the zone in in pastas. He sees the ice so well Can. Develop those sorts of plays in seems to have sort of chemistry with with Alex Talk I. Don't know of Chandler. Stevenson is that type of center. I don't know of Nick Wall. Is that type of center? It'll be interesting kind of what sort of chemistry in. How they figure out how to work together as this goes forward, because I think it's very different than than what Alex talk had success with this line to me screams. You know big fast strong. You know. Get after people caused problems. With their with their speed in the NBA, two also cycle the pocket grind teams down, and then be able to throw a fourth line out there right after the continue to wear teams out. A. I don't know if that's Alex best game, but there is a lot of things all that being said there's a lot of things about that line that I really do like in love. The speed that Chandler Stevenson can bring in the middle in I. Love the emergence. Of Nick Wa has ability to win faceoffs his ability to win battles along the wall and you know, be big strong guy alongside. Stevenson At least on paper there. There's some things that that you know. Maybe maybe you get excited about that that maybe you could see clicking. Whether, it actually does going forward. You know I don't know what we'll see. Yeah like I said I. Think There's the things you can latch onto with this line. Compared to a lot of previous cold nights third line where you mentioned okay both Stevenson and Tuck. A REALLY FAST NIKOLA SOI is not slow. He's not obviously a burner like those guys, but he can get up and down to so you're like okay. That's something that you can at least latch onto with this line, and then obviously Wa is big. He's really good on the. The Wall he could be a good for Checker Stevenson despite not being as big as while talk I think is a pretty good for Checker to sue mentioned you at least got two guys that can kind of work that cycle game and you know, even though Tuck is one skin big, he's not quite I. Don't think as physical certainly as a wall, but I think it's something that he could try to work on, and they could try to find success with. A group that has a chance to really really drive possession in the offensive zone and be really really hard to kind of shake once they're in there the other question I have course with this line is if the opposite happens and they get trapped in their defensive zone. You know how how well is that GonNa, work, Stevenson, I, think certainly tries hard in the defensive zone. Nicholas Watt tries hard in the defensive zone I'm not quite sure because he's still rookie whether he knows exactly where to be all the time, so let's walk one. Thing that I could quibble with of if they get trapped in their defensive zone. How's that GONNA look? But like we talked about? There's certainly some things to get excited about their. It'll be interesting to see how board decides exactly to deploy them once game. Start the last thing I wanted to talk about before. We kind of wrap up. Here is the big C. which in this case is the Captaincy for the Golden? Golden Knights already. This feels like a million years ago, but since we last talked to bore, let slip. The Golden Knights are going to name their first captain next year I should note that when we talk to general manager Kelly MMA criminal a few days later, he was a little bit more noncommittal, but we've talked about this before. Going back to even May when we did a podcast about who are the Golden Knights? A potential captain. It feels like this is something. deboer actively believes in something. He wants something he's kind of pushing for. I should know whether this was a coincident or likely, not divorced also raved about Mark Stones leadership qualities the day before a leading the news slip, so we know when it comes to the knights options, and who we ultimately think is going to have that see put on their chest next year. If indeed this all comes to pass, do we think this is one hundred percent a done deal, or is there any room for dark horse in this race? I mean never say never right. It's not like a hundred percent until they actually have the news conference. Bring out the Jersey with you know stones name on the back in the see on the front because I. Think we all know eventually where this is going. But you know I mean I. Suppose it's you know maybe George. mcphee may be killing the going to have some saying this I. Don't I mean that's what's funny. Is this seems like a pizza bore? Kind of project. Almost it doesn't seem like Kelly. macrame and George mcphee are all that you know in a rush to go away from the twenty three captains philosophy that seems to fit the team in organization at least for the first few years and impeachable kind of come in, and said you know all handled the goalie, and we're going to have a captain, and that's the way we're going to do it. So it's kind of interesting in that regard, and maybe he's got somebody else in mind, but every time he talks about stone in and sort of recently when this captaincies come up, I mean Marston seems to embody everything that Peterborough. Kind of want in a hockey player. You know the work ethic. The skill set on the ice. The example that he said you know little things that we've seen like with you know taking him pagan crabs and you know I. It's interesting because you know. Mark Stone puts up a a tough front with us and and. You see the emotion on the ice, but you know he. He's pretty quiet with with the media and things but. Hind closed doors, and without Locker Immu you know he's a guy that's that's sort of day-by-day feeling more comfortable in in everybody's kind of sort of getting behind and just waiting for him to take over, and and like I mentioned the thing with crabs. Just you know it's a little thing like that and we'll see what happens in this in this playoffs going forward, I think he sort of started to assert himself a little bit last year in the playoffs and become kind of that emotional leader in all eyes are GonNa, be you know on Mark? Stone, going forward, so I would imagine you know. Not not stay at a tryout, but you know they're gonNA. Look at that a little bit here in in seeing going forward I don't know who else could. Who who else it could be though like patch already Schmidt. You know I don't know but. Ninety nine point nine percent. Done deal for Mark Stone I. Don't know. What would you say, Ben? Yeah, I would agree with that, I mean. If people WANNA go back and listen to that podcast we did. We did bench. Some other candidates like Dave mentioned Max Patch Ready. You know Nate Schmidt even Riley Smith. Kind of Jonathan Marchesoni, but you can listen to Dave spot on that potential captaincy on the podcast. I'll save that a tease for for that show, but I think what we kind of discovered talking through that is. To borrow the old fairytale term, the slipper really only seems to fit one player on this roster. There are holes to poke in kind of all of the other chief candidates. which you know Max Patch Ready. He's been a captain before, but it really seems like he doesn't want to do that again. And he's enjoying not having the responsibilities that come with that Nate Schmidt. He's a really smart guy. He seems to be really well respected. He's the Players Association Rep for this team. You know, but they're also. Is that that Goofy side of him? Is he a hundred percent. You know the example that you WANNA point to. For Your Organization. Whereas with stone. Everything just seems to line up. You know you mentioned the Peyton Krebs. Angle and I think stone is just such an easy guy for the nights to point to and say we want you to be like him, and you can do that and not have a situation like an Edmonton more connor mcdavid is the oilers captain, and no one can be like. Connor mcdavid their prospects coming up through the oiler system. Who can't exactly? Exactly look at Connor David as a model because they'll never be connor mcdavid, no one's connor mcdavid. Where's with Mark Stone We've gone through the story a million different times, but this is a guy that was a sixth round pick that was overlooked because of escaping and kind of through sheer competitiveness and determination force a will work ethic. He became one of the best two way forwards. Forwards in the NHL I mean he's a guy who his calling cards are not an insane Rishaad. It's not blazing speed. You know it's the fact that he can basically get his stick on any puck he wants to. He's just incredible at generating turnovers. He has an insane level hockey sense and he is just a you know as we've talked before. Just one of the most competitive kyw's. KYW's quietly competitive, but still of the most competitive emotional guys you find it on the ice, so those are all qualities that you can go to a payton crabs and say hey. We want you to follow this example that you can go to even like Lucas Elvis or Jack Dugan. Guys who are coming up through the pipeline and say we want you to take some of these attributes. And apply them to your game, and that's much more realistic for them to. At least attempt to approach that than just say like. Yeah, go you know stick handled through three guys in. Blaze past the fourth like mcdavid can do so. A lot of the stars just seem to line up with mark. Stone well hopefully, the stars lined up for everyone listening to be enjoying this podcast. We thank you all four checking us out. We also WANNA. Thank favor. Drink a favourite DOT COM for presenting. 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