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Should We Stay Polite, Even In A Pandemic?

1A

34:38 min | 2 months ago

Should We Stay Polite, Even In A Pandemic?

"This is one A. I'm Celeste Headley. In Washington as states and counties begin to lift. Stay at home orders. Americans are ready to get back to normal but there is a new normal now cove in nineteen is not gone we should still practice social distancing and follow CDC guidelines for preventing the viruses spread. But not everyone agrees on how strictly we should adhere to these guidelines. So have you been yelled at for not wearing a mask or awkwardly? Denied a handshake or hug. Have you had a tough conversation with grandma to say? You still love her but she can't kiss her grandkids. We have two experts with us today to explain. Some of the changes will have to make and how we approach our new societal norms with kindness and understanding. Dr Susan Klein is a professor of medicine in the Division of Infectious Diseases and international medicine at the University of Minnesota. And she's joining me from her home in Minnesota. Dr Klein Welcome to One A. Thanks for having me. Nice to be here and Lizzie. Post is CO president of the Emily Post Institute and Co host of the Awesome Etiquette podcast. And she's joining us from Vermont Lizzy. It's good to have you as well. Thank you so much. For having pleasure to be here Lizzy Even though a state let's say that you you're in a state that decides to Remain Open. People are allowed to have their own opinions about how far they'll go right as absolutely our state can do things in at the same time. We have our our opinions. I know of a lot of people who say their states are opening up and they will be maintaining a whole lot of staying at home and continuing to wear masks wash hands keep a six foot distance requests to six foot distance but other other people even when their states were were locked down. Where we're saying no. I don't want to be doing those things so you are. You're right that You know these days we are. We are all each still individuals Even though we're all in this together and people are forming their own opinions and I think one of the things that we can do each individually to prepare well is to know our own boundaries and where we stand. I find that knowing them and knowing what I'm willing to commit to. Maybe maybe when I'm not. I'm pretty compliant that it allows me to feel more common confident when I'm communicating that to somebody else. Yeah that makes sense so Dr Klein You played a very important role as we search for treatments for cove in nineteen and you have headed up a clinical trial. That may have a big impact. Can you tell us about that Yes at the University of Minnesota where I work. I was the principal investigator for our site for the REMM disappear clinical trial and that was a study that had many centers across the US and also international sites that enrolled over a thousand patients in a clinical trial where half the patients were randomized to get rem disappear and half got placebo and The preliminary results of that study were analyzed and in late April and showed there was a benefit to the Taking 'em disappear. The group that took grim does severe had a four days faster recovery and there was a trend towards lower mortality in that group is well what stages the trial in now. In other words I mean. Pick the question and everyone must have is. How quickly could this be rolled out? Well I think Quickly hopefully because based on that benefit that was seen in the preliminary analysis day came out publicly with those results and based on that the FDA granted emergency use authorization of Ramdas severe and so they started sending out shipments to hospitals and state health departments over this past weekend actually and that's being distributed to those areas with the greatest need And I think there is hope that the medication in the relatively near future could be approved. So it could be available more widely lizzy. How do we deal with the our neighbors and friends and family who are perhaps passing along information? That is not entirely true law. There's a that's a big one. How do you respond to that? Yeah I think that if if you have a friend or a family member WHO? Maybe you don't see eye to eye with maybe you get your information from different sources I think that you can do a number of different things and it is really going to depend on your relationship with the person and probably a little bit your history with the person if this is if this is your brother who you're very contentious with and you two are always getting each other you know just recognize things like that as opposed to you know a casual acquaintance more casual friend They might pass something on to me and I'll say oh thanks for sharing but either read it and ignore it or not. Try to get into it or not. Try to comment on it too much. But just you know the thanks for sharing. That's always something you can. You can lean into if you feel grateful for the share. We really really try to promote honesty at the post. Institutes if you don't feel grateful and if you really don't want this information coming your way I think that might be the time to broach a conversation that says you know. Hey Jim I really WanNa talk to you. I think right now. It would be best if we didn't try to share information about the virus with one another. I'm I'm finding that I'm not reacting positively to what I'm receiving from you and I'm really trying to mitigate my stress right now it's a lot of therapy language to feel. I feel like like I have a therapist with me when I say things like this just to make sure I'm getting it right but it. I think that that's kind of the best you can do is State. How someone else's behavior is impacting. You want to try to say in a calm and friendly manner recognized that they may be trying to help. That may be what they're trying to do I certainly have sent articles to friends and family members. And I've gotten the polite thank you. We understand don't worry. We are wearing masks and I think that sometimes you just take it on the other side of it too you know putting it lightly a doctor. A couple of questions for you about masks. The arguments over masks have turned serious. In this nation. A security guard Michigan was killed for asking customers to wear masks. Obviously that's an extreme case but there have been other reports of storing plays being assaulted one person got their arm broken being berated for asking customers to follow guidelines is. It's important that we still wear masks. Even as states begin to reopen and is that is it possible? We'll be wearing them into Christmas. Well I can't predict right now. What will be happening at Christmas time but I will say yes. It is important to wear a mask as states reopen. I actually think that's one of the probably the most effective measures that we can do to try to limit spread of the virus. Once some of the stay at home orders are lifted. Because I think you know the the data we've learned so far and what we have seen is that this is a highly contagious virus. It seems to primarily be spread through the respiratory route and it is spread from person to person when people are close together and sharing the same Space in the air and the virus can be transmitted through respiratory droplets. Especially if you're close by someone or in an enclosed space so really I think wearing a mask and having them used widely especially if you're in close contact an enclosed space will be very helpful and really help mitigate. The risk of a surgeons a resurgence in cases occur in as the stay at home. Orders are lifted. We're speaking with infectious disease expert. Dr Susan Klein an etiquette expert Lizzy Post. I'm Celeste Headley. You're listening to one eight from W. A. M. U. N. NPR this message comes from NPR. Sponsor better help a truly affordable online counselling service. Fill out a questionnaire online and get matched with a licensed counselor best suited to your mental health. Needs whether it's depression. Anxiety or trauma better help will help you overcome. What stands in the way of your happiness learn more at better help DOT COM and get ten percent off your first month with Promo Code? One a better help get help anytime anywhere. Do you talk about the news with your friends. Your family or perfect strangers. Get the facts. You need to be up to speed on this busy news cycle on the one A. News Roundup find the podcast in your feed. Every Friday face masks have become the new normal as we continue to grapple with the ongoing pandemic. But when did we start wearing masks for our health and safety this week on through line the origins of the ninety five mask and how it became the life saving tool it is today through line from NPR? The podcast where we go back in time to understand the present this is one A. I'm Celeste Headley. My guests are Dr Susan Klein Professor of Medicine in the Division of Infectious Diseases and international medicine at the University of Minnesota and Lizzie. Post Co President of the Emily Post Institute and Co host of the Awesome Etiquette podcast. Some of US are heading back to work. Things are of course far from business as usual. I bet you have a Lotta or stories about interactions over. What are the right rules for social distancing so Lizzie? We have a some questions not surprisingly about how to handle people who are not following guidelines. We mentioned before that there has been some violence with employees asking customers to wear masks and we now have Brian Because he works at a grocery store and he wants some advice on how to tell people to obey social distancing roles. Brian you're on one A. Opening you thank you so much You know for for letting me on Express Base I. I've been in central work the last couple of months. And I you know I. I love what I do because I love the customer interaction. But it's it's been you know it. It's been very difficult because we're required to wear masks and unfortunately I mean in Illinois here. We don't have a mandatory mask Sort of a rule. And but I come to find out is I. Guess due to hippo laws and things like that the stores can't really enforce that and so you know I. I guess what I'd like to know is please explain to the listeners. What about the hip? Alon such prevent some stores Big and small from being able to enforce A mandatory mask. You know rule. Let me ask a different question. If it's okay. Brian and and Lizzy let me go to you because there are different rules depending on where you live. The hippo he's referring to is the hip privacy rule to protect individuals medical histories. But if you work at a place where you want customers to use masks and they say it's I don't have to. How does one handle that? I think that's a really difficult situation. Definitely one that has an employee I'd be wanting to discuss with my managers and supervisors and I think a lot of them are often at a loss for what to do too because this these are unprecedented times and we haven't we haven't had to deal with this kind of physical and visible conflict between people in these essential spaces that we're trying to occupy and in some cases trying to work in. I would probably do things like ask. Ask My store what what agency I have to Engage with someone who's not wearing a mask to ask someone who's not wearing a mask to step further back to. I don't know you've seen that. People are taping to their shirts and things like that like. Please keep six feet stuff like that. I don't know what they're allowing you to do. Because you're a part of a store but I think that's that's the place I believe at least to start that conversation Really advocating that. Your store increased their SINU- John Requests. Saying thank you for wearing a mask you know. Please wear a mask. We really appreciate it when you wear a mask in our store things like that to keep encouraging that pressure to get the public to wear those masks doctor claimed where are we at least medically because for a while. People were doing a elbow touches. They were doing foot touches. A member of our one. A text club actually said GOT BERATED FOR NOT SHAKING. Someone hand someone's hand they then proceeded to tell me. I needed to stop watching the fear. Mongering News so what is the current stance on shaking of hands are touching him any kind? Well I think right now. It is best to avoid shaking hands because you never know you know if someone had just coughed or sneezed or sort of wiped their face and then there are. They touched something in the environment that was contaminated from someone else. And then they shake your hand that you know they could be transmitting. Germs of various types including a novel corona virus. So I think you know shaking hands right now is not a good idea. I think touching in general. If you don't need to do it is probably better to avoided and smile have a friendly greeting but try to avoid that sort of touching as greeting the elbow rumps which I know early on. People were promoting that as an alternative. I will say my husband pointed out to me at the same time we telling people to cough into their elbows. And so you know we think about it. It's not a good idea to do an elbow rub even then so I think just smiling you might Wanna Najjar head or wave but probably avoiding those those touching greetings right now. We got this tweet from Dan who says in place of being able to smile at people. Because I'm asked I find myself using the thumbs up a lot more. It was good enough for fuzzy now for our younger listeners. Fonzie was a character on the Sitcom happy days And he was very very cool. But there is a problem. Especially in workplaces and Lizzy. Some people will be heading back into the office. Imagine there will be a change in the way we do business that could persist and if so if we are uncomfortable in our workplace. How'd we very kindly make? That aware is their way. Do that directly to another a worker or do you always have to go to to management. I only read you just a little bit for context of a a message from one of our one text club. We said I work in an office in Indiana. All of us were called back into the office on May fourth. No one wears masks in the office. Except for me. And social distancing is sometimes some thing only vaguely followed. How does one address this? That's a really tough situation. I think it's one that I certainly again. I would be bringing it up with my management I would be saying. I don't feel comfortable and seeing the environment that is that we're in the. The people aren't wearing masks. They're not following procedures. I understand they're not mandatory. But I'm starting my level of stress anxiety. My ability to focus and do my job is is at risk because of this and. I think it's really hard some states i. I hear you're really doing a lot to make sure that workers feel like it's voluntary to come back. It's an option others not so much and not even varies company to company so at one company you might be able to speak with their managers and really deal with this issue head on and really be considered a valued individual whose opinion matters and at others. You might not and etiquette is going to say that consideration respect and honesty are the most important things if your company isn't abiding by those things if you're not feeling safe. Those are much bigger decisions than how do. I have a difficult conversation about mask wearing at work so we have another caller. This is guy and he needs. Some advice is in Charlottesville Virginia. He's a manufacturing technician. Chiron one a you have a question. I do so as mentioned. I'M A manufacturing technician. I work in a facility. That has a lot of ambient noise and since we do have Thankfully a mandatory mask policy It's actually become an incredible barrier to communication So what tends to happen is somebody will will be trying to give instructions or or carry on a conversation. And we can't hear him and I I used to do a lot of passive lip reading to kind of get around the the ambient noise issue. But that's gone now so we do the The lean in To the to the that six foot bubble in order to be able to understand each other and and and actually hear what's going on and That kind of defeats the purpose a little bit. I'm Dr Klein. Let me put to this because in a way you have to sort of prioritize or triage your needs in order to hear you have to lean in but they still have masks on. So are they relatively safe? How does one sort of navigate that yeah? That's that's a tough one because I was just thinking you know could use some other form of communication like writing but you know that takes a while to write it takes longer than it does to talk and then you have to consider what is the safety in your workspace if you're in an industrial setting their if people don't hear what you're saying. Yeah there could be safety concerns as well so I think you have to try to balance those risks and I think you know if it's important that you get the message across you have to do it quickly and you know it's okay to lean in but I think I I would see if you can come up with other solutions that can try to mitigate that risk even further Dr Klein They. Some of these changes could be permanent right. Is it possible that it's simply healthier to already worry about distancing people maybe having them better ventilated spaces or outdoors? Not Feeling the need to do everything. I in person and certainly washing our hands more. What do you think meetings might look like or should look for? I think for the foreseeable future. We should still use virtual meetings as much as possible. Yeah and I think if we need to bring people together in a space we should try to limit the number of people that we bring into an enclosed space and at a minimum tried to allow that six foot distance between people at a meeting. And I would recommend they also wear face masks and I think if you can improve the ventilation in indoor meeting or meet in larger spaces or outdoors. That's preferable but I know it's not always possible so virtual meetings is probably a good idea for a while yet Before we take a break lizzy we did get this message from a member of the one. Eight text club said. I'm more passive aggressive with my approach if someone doesn't have a mask on or isn't giving them space all stare at people if they're too close and hope to get the message any any better approaches rather than glaring glaring. I know in glaring is only half of your faces effective with Larry unless you've managed to create one of those plastic plastic screens that allows you your face to be seen. I I think. Actually what what sort of this idea of the passive aggressive version of it gets to a little bit is for me the idea that you can you can really only control yourself and so While while some people might feel really good about taking the moment to glare and vent workout that frustration that way I think choosing to move away from folks who aren't following the same guidelines as you know doing doing what you can For me it's how I try to operate when I have to be out in a store or something like that. I've noticed it's really frustrating. It takes a lot of patients. It takes a lot of hearing my mother's voice in my head constantly telling me to be thoughtful. Be Aware that I don't know other people's situations that you know. I'm going to have a faster better experience if I take care of myself and consider quickly look at least possible so up coming up next if your state is starting to open some businesses is it okay to start throwing parties again. Apparently from listener comments some people think it is. We'll talk about that and more with our guests. Dr Susan Klein and Lizzie. Post right after this. This is one a. a rabbi an Arab and a comedian all with covert nineteen walk into a luxury hotel was assumed class old young religious secular Arab Jewish. Like where am I? It's the hotel corona on. Npr's rough translation. You're listening to one A. I'm Celeste Headley. My guest Dr Susan Klein Professor of Medicine in the Division of Infectious Diseases and international medicine at the University of Minnesota and Lizzie. Post Co President of the Emily Post Institute and Co host of the Awesome Etiquette podcast. Let's go to another caller here. This is Cynthia with a question for you. I think Lizzie. Cynthia is a grandparent and captured distance. On Mother's Day Cynthia Year on one A. What happened on on Mother's Day? Well I did not Go visit my family. I've been with my family on Mother's Day for the ten years that I've had grandchildren and beyond and this year I said you know because I've been keeping my distance That I was going to continue that even on Mother's Day even as I long to see them on the other hand when I call the House. The children were on their way with my daughter-in-law to their other grandmothers how who? I found out. Also been over there on my grandson's birthday and they were going over to have a barbecue with the other family members and there are other you know Aunties uncles and then there y their spouses. And you know. I don't know where everyone has been and I as a grandparent. Just Kinda don't know how to broach the subject of. Could you please respectfully protect my grandchildren and me and my son and all of you from This contact yeah all of these exponentially league con- you know exposed people potentially Yeah that's a delicate balance. It really is. And I appreciate the question Cynthia Lizzy. What's The answer here? Well I think For Starters Cynthia has what I think of as a lovely voice and a very kind tone about how she speaks already so I have. I have a lot of support towards being able to have this conversation. Well But to sit down with with the parents of your grandkids your kids and not sit down with an excuse me. That's all language from before Get on the phone with them and and say you know I want to discuss with you? Mother's Day and sort of how that unfolded I understand that you're going to make choices for yourself but as your mother and as the children's grandmother and as someone who's choosing a certain level of practice for myself I was hoping that we could talk about what that level of practices and if you'd share with me why you feel confident behaving otherwise or doing otherwise or doing these things You're asking to have a conversation. You're asking to broach the subject. And letting them know how those choices impact you a lot of when you I feel or when I hear that you're doing this I feel this. Could we talk about that? I am very different plane with one of my family members and we were successfully able to have a conversation like that it. It didn't change either of our personal behavior but I think we understood what was going on between us and our choices so Dr Klein. We're getting a lot of questions and comments that seemed to be aimed at evaluating risk for oneself and one's loved ones. Let me read you this email from Susan in Virginia who says I have a friend who's been in a wheelchair for years can't get out much depends on visits. She's ear for me to go visit and do puzzles with her. I'm not sure I WANNA do this. And not sure how to tell her. I'm sixty nine in good health. My husband is seventy and not so good health Klein. How do we gauge our risk? Well I think we need to look at the epidemiology of what's happening in our community for one thing you know. What are the number of new cases that are being detected every day? What is the number of hospitalizations and deaths? And you know people that are being tested. What is the percent that's positive you know if there's any local data on symptomatic carriers I'd look at all those things to help determine you know what is the risk in your community and then I'd also look at some of the data? We've gathered on risk factors so we know older. People are at greater risk for having more severe disease if they become infected and if they have underlying health conditions are greater risk of severe disease Show I think keeping all those things in mind. You might just have to. You Know Klein on these invitations to visit and saying well you know. I'm in a high risk group on my husband's in a high risk group and I just don't feel like I want to take that risk right now so I feel like we're all going through a little therapy here. Question here for you lizzy Elena emails. This a neighbor of mine had a party last week. And no one was social distancing or wearing masks. I only know this because I asked them twice to turn down the volume of their music and was able to see inside their apartment. How should I respond? Especially when everyone was probably inebriated. This is really tough. I in some ways. This comes back to a very age. Old Question of etiquette is is how how much agency we have to tell other people that we don't like what they're doing and if this is an apartment building type scenario where you're going to be coming and going from this person and there aren't ways to be passing with six feet of distance safely A lot apartment buildings don't have narrow hallways and like that. I think it's definitely something I would feel. Confident bringing to either the landlord or to Whoever manages the building and I know you hear me saying go to management a lot but it's because it is a pathway toward starting some kind of resolution or at least a identifying these. These risky behaviors are happening. I would probably because this is how I operate. Tell the person listen. I appreciate you turning down the noise. I've got to say that this makes me really nervous to see this? I understand it's your house and your view but I am going to speak with the supervisor apartments ventilation to let me get another caller. This is Matt from Indianapolis. Indiana and Matt is the director of a local community theater They're now considering reopening that theater and Matt. You're on a welcome. I understand you need advice on on what may be some protocols. You could follow right right. Yeah we We did a a play we had started. We got one weekend before we had to shut everything down. According to the state guidelines so our theatres pretty small we can fit about fifty people in the theater and we have a show basically ready to start back off. All the actors are ready to go. So we're just trying to figure out what we'd be the best course of action to reopen this show. What would be the appropriate? You know safety responses that we have to try to get this you know. Get the show back on the road that decline we touched on this a little earlier but are there protocols in a small space like that one could follow to make people at least say for. Well I think limiting the number of people that you would have coming to a show you know. I think if if you your theater seats fifty you might WanNa think about significantly decreasing. The number of people can be there. Yeah that's a challenge. It's hard to do that safely. You know if you could have a performance in the park actually that would probably be the safest option and then you have. People Bring Lawn chairs and sit six feet apart and streaming me. Thank you very much. Yeah Matt for that. Call a question for you lizzy. This is an anonymous email who says we have a wedding planned in July. My and I do not necessarily agree on whether to move forward or to postpone as our state begins to reopen a considerable number of our guests our senior citizens including our parents any advice. Yes home we actually. We have a whole article on our on our website about dealing with weddings That the Emily. Post dotcom Dealing with weddings during the age of Kovic so many couples are in this exact situation. The guest list has a lot of people in in this high risk category. There's probably a lot of travel. It feels like every wedding nowadays distillation wedding We really encourage couples to put safety. I always always always You certainly even if you decide to have your wedding. I would put out a lot of communications to my guests. Who would have to travel there to say? Please don't we're we are trying to limit this. We have a lot of questions right now. Especially for Friends of mine in the state. I'm in Vermont Which really has very low numbers and is starting to open back up. I have a friend who has July twenty fifth wedding and she worked with her venue to find out when the kind of cut off date should be and what we suggest. Two couples to do is communicate to your your guests that you are monitoring the situation and that at X. Dates you're going to get in touch with them to give updates weather you'll be holding the wedding or not exactly and it's in some ways keeps couples hopeful and happy especially for talking about later in the summer and in the fall for weddings. A lot of couples though are also moving to just saying you know what we're GonNa do our wedding. We're not gonNA have anybody there and we're going to celebrate via zoom or. We'll see you all in a year and do a belated reception. We have done ceremonies with belated receptions for years and years and years now so there are lots of options. Have faith what I care about for. Couples is that do what's going to make you feel married. Getting married is the important thing. Then have your your non-party wedding and do that if waiting and having the big celebration it's safe for everybody is what's GonNa matter. Then do that with confidence. Lizzy post is co-president of the Emily Post Institute and Co host of the Awesome Etiquette podcast. Dr Susan Klein is a professor of medicine in the Division of Infectious Diseases and international medicine at the University of Minnesota. Thanks so much for answering questions and spending time with us today now before we go and we've been doing this for weeks so long as you keep sending us your acts of kindness. We will keep sharing them today. Story COMES FROM LISA IN SAINT Louis Missouri. This past weekend. I graduated with my master's degree. All of my family watched it online. And you know I was a little sad about not having a live. Commencement however as soon as it was done virtually one of my men teas my work babies. Jose and Mariah showed up with balloons and with wine and with chocolate covered strawberries. To celebrate me. We all sat outside with our mask on. It was just a wonderful act of kindness. It helped me not feel so alone. Thank you so much. What a sweet story. Lisa I hope you also of course sitting six feet apart but if you have an act of kindness share just like Lisa's. We'd love to hear from you. A number is eight five five two three six one two one two. Today's producer was Sharla. Freeland special thanks to producer Katherine for screening calls. This program comes to you from WMU part of American University in Washington distributed by NPR. I'm solicitously thank you so much for listening. This is one A.

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COVID-19: Why U.S. nurses fear for their lives

The Heat

17:25 min | 4 months ago

COVID-19: Why U.S. nurses fear for their lives

"None of the nurses are wearing masks not even surgical mask. It's hold my manager. I stand. We're short on supplies. But let me protect myself. Let me feel safe that they have to go home to and the way things are looking to get any better severe goods. It's up as the covered. Nineteen pandemic continues to spike in the United States. Hospitals and other facilities are flooded dion capacity with new patients right many in late stages of the disease needing critical care but shortages of basic personal protective equipment. Such as mosques gowns have forced nurses and other health professionals to treat those infected without protection from the disease themselves as a result. Hundreds have contracted corona virus from their duties and a growing number of those have died as shortages continue emotional voices of nurses doctors and others. Working in these conditions grow louder. That conflict is clear. Should those tirelessly committed to healing the sick also be forced to choose between their duty and their own lives and safety? I'm on ninety. Welcome to the heat. Podcast with us to speak about the life threatening burden being placed on nurses and other health co workers in the United States is any cortes. She's a registered nurse and Co President of the National Nurses United the largest union and Professional Association of registered nurses in the United States. She joins US via skype from Los Angeles California Zanny. Welcome to the heat podcast. Thank you for having me last week. where as you were taking you. What are some of the things you've seen? What I'm seeing is. Nurses are giving more afraid to come to work more anxious to go to work because our employers have been telling us that pretty soon we will be running out of personnel protective equipment and that in itself is pretty scary because as nurses we are not afraid to take care of patients. We take care of our patients no matter who they are or what they have but if we're going to be faced without protective equipment caring for our patients than that racist alarms because if we are not safe our patients will not be safe and if we get sick there will be no one left to take care of patients when you go to work now when you go to the hospital and you go about your duties. What kind of protective equipment? You have right now. I'm right now. Where were we are wearing playing surgical masks and we do not have so far. We have not had a positive compensation. Come TO SURGERY. But in the other areas the nurses have been telling me that when they take care of the coveted positive patients. They are not provided the N. Ninety five mask also known as respirators because there is shortage and also they are wearing a not so appropriate gal that they are constantly being afraid and constantly just anxious that anytime at any moment they might be contracting the virus in. That's something that you know you think about because you go still go home to your families you still go to the communities and also infecting other patients and your coworkers. When you go to your supervisors and you say look. There are shortages of equipment. I don't feel safe. I need to be protected. What's their response? Okay so because we are told that the N. ninety five is in short supply. They are kept under lock and key in our managers offices. So that if you need one quickly to respond to a patient emergency who is Copied positive you will have to look for the manager. I in order for you to get that and in emergencies. Time is of essence. So that's what's facing US daily show. Are You Also sharing these mosques okay. So what we've been told. The last couple of days is that we need to start reducing the masks and as you know the virus is in the air or couple of days couple of hours in. It's pretty scary if we are going to be using the same mask as we go from patient to patient and so that's where the new problem lies because they want us to reuse the masks and that of course poses a whole load of risks for patients and of course we're nurses as well. Yes because if we have already contaminated the mass using it to take care of one patient then we do not know what has adhered to that mask. And if we go to the next patient using the same masks than that's a big problem is any in all your years of nursing. Have you ever seen anything like this? I have been a nurse registered nurse for over forty years for decades and I have not seen anything like this. And what's really bothering me? Is the fact that at this moment in time we are not being allowed to use our individual professional judgement like allowing us to use whatever protective equipment we we need in order to safely. Take care of the patient and so it's it's pretty scary. When did you first become aware of that This was something really big. This was going to be one of the biggest challenges that healthcare workers in the United States would have a face well way back in January. Our Organization are Union together with staff nurse leaders in twenty countries drafted a letter and sent it to the World Health Organization and to the Centers for Disease Control saying that they need to start drafting guidance for preventive measures for this virus and yet we were ignored in. That's where I'm very frustrated because if we had been listened to way back in January if they had taken as seriously than perhaps it would not have resulted to spend amick. You know we've been seeing more and more images and videos of the conditions that. Us medical workers have been forced to work in and as the situation grows more dire. More of those workers have been speaking out like yourself but Right now let's listen to a club of young nurse. Her name is immoral and she posted this video on instagram. My job today into work and I was assigned to a couvert patient an ICU unit that has been converted to a designated Cova Unit. None of the nurses are wearing masks. Ninety nine surgical masks in the hallways. They're giving report to each other. I had my own end. Ninety Five Mask. I told my manager. I understand. We're short on supplies will let me protect myself. Let me say that I have to go to and the way things are looking to get any better. Not Prepared listening that Is any to that knows. Her name is immoral. Echoed many of the consensus. You have echoed as well. Many nurses of credit of course others have been fired after refusing to endanger their lives in this way as medical professionals Do you have any rights when it comes to protect yourself? I do share the same sentiments as us. Her and so at that time nurses were threat to be fired if they brought their own masks. Nurses will be disciplined if they brought their masks. But we push back in. We said if the hospital cannot protect us than we need to find something ourselves to protect us. And so we started bringing our own masks. Our Own Respirators in ninety five and so the hospital where I work with. Were telling the nurses that you need to take off because you are scaring the patients. You're scaring the public. But we stood up and stood our grounds and said in my professional judgment. I need this in order to protect myself and I need this in order to protect the patients so we won and it's because we stood together and also because we belong to a union and our union backed up and said allow the nurses to usurp professional of judgement and we did public campaigns. We did press conferences. We stood outside the hospital saying that nurses will be fired if we brought our own masks and so the public supported us in so up to this time as I speak. We're still demanding that we'd be given the optimum in ninety five mass. How did the hospital management explain that You know patients would be scared. Why would patients be scared? Because you're wearing a mask to protect yourself. Yes because they said that we're giving the illusion that the caregivers us the frontline workers. The nurses are sick or that we are scared and so that feeling transcends to the patients in so. They don't want us to do that. But again you know it was our insistence and we stood together and we got them to agree that we need to use what we need in order to protect ourselves and our patients. I understand you have a duty as a nurse As a healthcare professional you have duty to heal the sick. I mean this is not like somebody going to a job on a car assembly plant. This is a matter of life and death But a any legal protections for people like yourself when it comes to the danger that you might face doing your job under the safe and healthy code. Our employers are obligated to give us a safe working environment and part of that is they need to protect us by giving us what we need in order to do our jobs and that includes personal protective equipment. The MASKS GLOVES. She'll covers head covers respirators. All of that in order for us to be safe at work so employers have that obligation and like you've heard everywhere we are not being given that gear in order to safely take care our patients so we continue to raise the issue. We continue to document that we are not being given a safe environment to do our jobs and so we will continue to do that. Canada doctor or nurse BA- fired for refusing to be endangered. Like this nowadays. What I tell my boss or any other nurse with doubled the boss that we are not simply refusing the assignment but we want protection in order to do the minute. So that's that's where we draw the line you know if you're not gonNA be able to protect being performing my job than I need to document that and I need to notify you that you are violating the health and safety code. You know as we've looked at this pandemic unfolding over the past three or four weeks and we look at the shortages of equipment all over the country. Clearly there was a breakdown in the supply chain in the provision of things like mosques like protective gowns. Like shoe covers etcetera. Where do you think that went wrong? You know at this time. I think it's futile to point fingers but I still want to say that it starts from the top if this spending before it was abandoning. It was dismissed. As it's only the flu it will go away in a few days. Don't worry about it it's a hoax. If this pandemic was not downplayed at the very beginning I don't think it would have blown to this magnitude in with the supplies. We are being told that billions of such have been released and we don't know where it's at because it has not reached the place where needed to go with a frontline curse. It's it's not there you know you as you've told us you been a nurse for forty years. Did you ever expect something like that would happen right here? In the United States not in my was the stream in the early eighties when we had the AIDS CRISIS. I thought that was the big thing but we were able to get over it. We filed a treatment in. I thought that was the biggest challenge of my career. But I'm not really expecting this. I am not. I am really afraid and I am a frustrated at the same time that we are not being supported by our elected officials and also the Center for Disease Control. Who'S SUPPOSED TO BE PROTECTING? Us has continued to water down in relax. The preventive measures endangering frontline workers like nurses and doctors and respiratory therapists and anybody. Who's they're taking care of patients? There's no more protection for us because they continue to water down and to relapse the the guidance in it's it's really unconscionable that they will do it you know. There's been a lot of criticism that the healthcare system in the United States is more concerned with being profitable. They've been more concerns about the finances of the system rather than actually taking care of people making sure that people are healthy making sure that people can be attended to and can be healed That's a real structural problem. Isn't it yes in my mind if I had the perfect world if we only had a healthcare system that really concentrated on People's health rather than prophets than I think a lot of this would have been averted because the patient is would have had early assists to healthcare because right now even as we speak patients are hesitant to go in and get themselves tested because the visting might be free but then what about the treatment they would have to pay for treatment? And I think that's where a lot of the problem lies. Patients are hesitant to come in to see their doctors their providers or even go to the emergency room because of High Co base that they have to come up with when they come to the emergency room or their providers Xeni Your own family. How they responding to this You know having someone like you working on the frontlines do talk about this. I guess they are scared of me being exposed and coming home and possibly giving it to them. I have other members of the family who are in healthcare and so it's the same thing for their families. I myself am afraid that I will be bringing home. Something because of the unprotected nature of our John's sunny good luck. I hope you're able to do your job. Hope you're GONNA be safe. Thanks so much for being with us but thank you for having me and I think all the folks who continue to shed light on this because we want the public to know and we want the elected officials to know that need protection in order to do our jobs thanks so much any Xeni. Cortes is a registered nurse and CO PRESIDENT OF NATIONAL NURSES UNITED. The heat is produced by CGT. In America I executive produce as a Tier H. And the senior producer. John Gilmore Joshua Bala produces our podcast. Today's guest producer was an L. Shape and director of digital development. Is Michael Sugary? Once again. I'm on a ninety. Thanks for listening you. You have a comment or question about today's podcast. Send US an email. You can find us at heat. Podcast AT CGT IN AMERICA DOT Com. And please if you like. The heat help spread the word by subscribing rating leaving a comment with your favorite podcast provider.

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Podcast: Dave Conord, eXp Realty co-President

Real Estate Coaching Radio

37:50 min | 3 months ago

Podcast: Dave Conord, eXp Realty co-President

"Welcome to real estate. Coaching Radio starring award-winning real estate coaches and number one international bestselling author so tim and Julie Harris Real Estate Coaching Radio is the nation's number one daily radio show for realtors who demand authentic real time. Coaching getting ready for plus free on filter full-strength. Jonoski about what's working to get you into action helping others and making money now in today's real estate market or host. Tim and Julie We hear. Hey welcome back listeners. It's Friday we got through another week and I have a very special guest are very special guests as my friend and Co President of ESPN realty. Dave Konore Dave. Welcome to the show. Hey Good morning. Thanks for having me tactic right Yeah yeah it's a little crazy out there but Craziest kind of the way I prefer. Listen yeah I know it does. Keep life interesting Nothing like a routine to You know basically screw up your day of hectic activity so I really think you're right to be on our show today and listeners. If there's a little bit of a degradation in the normal audio call you'll just have to forgive us that the element of the interviews but I'm going to stay the same question that I'm asking all the leaders that we've been interviewing lately and that question I am. I awarded about it a little bit ahead of time. So hopefully He's had a chance to think about it. He probably hasn't because I know he's been on the phone constantly solving other problems but the question I have for you Dave and we're just going to get right to is and I'll just set it up for the listener sake so if you had a time machine and the time machine was able to go six months back in time and then six months you know forward in time from this very moment if you were to jump on that ended up time machine and you're able to knowing what you know now about what's going on in the world what's going on with the X. P. What's going on your personal everything? Anything that POPs into your mind this question and you're a jump in that time machine and go back six months and speak to the day from six months ago. What would you have told him to do? Anticipation of what's happening now. You're talking about the sides by toilet paper and invest in Zoom Right. So yeah probably those things and then You know preparing financially is is a key right. You know we're we're in a pretty good situation as a company And so you know that has really the the the nature of our business model has really enabled us to weather. This Better than probably a lot of others in our industry and and other companies. We've seen outside of the industry We've been able to for the most at least from that from a company standpoint. Do Business as usual without skipping. A beat We know that that's not necessarily always the case for all of our agents in different markets that have various levels of restrictions but I think You know the the number one thing that we would do is to make sure that our agents were prepared first and foremost financially Offloading any unnecessary expenses holding onto any cash. That they would need. We've got we have Circumstances in in various markets where people are unable to do business as usual and closings I've come to a standstill Listings have stopped going on the market and that sort of thing so we definitely have some areas. Where People's IMP- PEOPLE'S Financial situation has been impacted. You know unexpectedly in immediately closings that were scheduled to happen or stop and postponed Sometimes fell apart altogether. And so you know getting getting themselves in the best financial circumstance so that they're able to weather the storm. We do expect it to be temporary but you know during that time and during this time now You know we know that in in our industry really any industry where there's independent contractors and small business owners It tends to be a group that is not great at saving in preparing for the long term And I've even I've even heard some of the reports out there that even most independent brokerages have less than ninety days. Cash reserves to operate so So helping our agents to prepare financially to offload any unnecessary expenses to double down where needed and to To be saving as much money as they can be to prepare themselves for this as number one Number two you know preparing for how to do business in this kind of market we do provide the tools to be able to work virtually from a brokerage standpoint but working locally in each market and understanding how to do that getting our agents ready to be able to To be you know. Some are highly skilled at You Know Virtual Showings and a three hundred sixty degree. listing views and virtual tours. And all of those things but some are not some have not been using those tools and so really being prepared to work virtually To work with clients virtually To be very fully versed in all of the different tools to work. When you face to face contact isn't allowed a lot of things have been around but people have if they haven't needed it they haven't learned it and I I know for me personally. The last several properties that I bought and sold on a personal level. I've bought them all. You know I went to settlement. Use My finger on a Cell phone or an IPAD To sign the paperwork and that sort of stuff so you know. I haven't. That's Kinda the way that I've operated. But we know that in not in all markets at the case not with all agents and so making sure that people have the information and skills so I think from a financial standpoint from a skill standpoint standpoint. Those are really you know some of the critical pieces to be able to You know to be ready to operate the way that things are right now. Yeah definitely I mean. Listen to what you're saying. I obviously agree on every point. The other thing with the obviously they need to work on skills to you know. The thing is hard to sort of again. Imagine actually being in that position to talk to you know David six months ago and sort of tell them okay. Here's what's going to happen all right. We're all going to be locked in our houses. There's GonNa be a plague pandemic spread across the country. You'd be like look you Dave. You GotTa put the crack pipe down. That's not gonNA happen right. I mean I can't so you're saying in the future is crazy. And it's like something out of some kind of bizarre science fiction. I know it's it's it's like a dystopia and book where the you know it pretty much. The only thing we're missing really at this point is our Sambas. I mean in maybe next week right and then of course on all right. I'll be relief package. all right so same jump. But here's here's the situation. There's a caveat to going forward now I know you're I heard what you said with regards to you. Hoping that this will be a temporary thing and temporaries. Whatever temporary is right. I mean that could be well. I'll ask you before. Put words in your mouth. What does temporary mean in your mind? Are you anticipating there to be a recovery prior to there being a vaccine or would you? I mean just from the if you and I were sitting down having a coffee at starbucks. Nobody was listening. What would you tell me your viewpoint as far as how long does go ask? Oh well You know there's so many factors involved in there still so much unknown You know here in the US where you know we're hopefully at the peak points and starting to see some potential light at the end of the tunnel as far as You know the actual You know pandemic itself but you know even that is unknown and and what happens on the recovery side of this Potential for relapse and all that kind of stuff. I'm a fairly positive person And I you know I believe we have the opportunity to come to have a healing curve on this However the opportunity is certainly there for For some relapses and what does that look like? How big those be. And how does that impact us? I mean there's really some of those things where you know I'm not a I'm not an expert on on those things. So how all that works and what. That looks like Moving forward is really hard to tell. You know there's a there's certainly a part of me that would like to see things return to normal as soon as possible and the other side of me Also being practical about You know what does it mean to move to go back to? Could it be too quickly you know. And what impact would that have? And how does that lengthen You know the impact of this has on business in general so you know far as how long this could be. I don't know I I am. I did see a recent report that said that you know. Of course. We do know that in in China where they've moved through things more Farther ahead from us that they've seen The unit count go back up to pre corona virus numbers and and even beyond which is a at least a good sign Again you know numbers coming in their real estate in China is very different as well. So report he's a little bit different But we're also seeing signs of of things in some other states in the US that were hit earlier and starting to see some Some rebound and listings coming on the market and some other things some signs some signs of life some signs of consumer confidence. We're all that goes You know remains to be seen But I I I personally believe that You know we're we're going to. We don't know what the long term impact is and how some of the other external factors are but I think for a straight from a real estate standpoint. There's at least going to be a desire for those who wanted or needed to move whether they were buying or selling or both To do so and so I think that pent up demand is is still there The question is how many of those the external factors and other market factors are going to impact people's ability to do so whether it's from a banking standpoint And a lending standpoint We've seen some restrictions get strengthened In some areas and And then from a job standpoint as well how many of those people that wanted or needed to buy or sell are now unable to you know based on that so you know how that impact hits To me I think is is still remains to be seen. Well what you said there. I mean the bottom line is there's no matter what's happening in the economy and you said that's what's happening with anything really. You know 'cause there are that's the thing that you just you know going through your. I can tell you thinking as we're talking it's like there's so many variables it's hard to really know our stances on our listeners. Know this is basically. Everything's going to be abnormal. Tillerson backseat because until there's the vaccine all those uncertainties and all those unanswered questions Roy. Lingering but what you said there. I hope the listeners heard no matter what's going on at the interest rates are unfortunately a pandemic or elections or just doesn't even matter what no matter what. Sba programs are coming in. They're going all that stuff. None of that really matters Because at the end of day there's always gonNA be sellers have to sell and he does not agaisnt market conditions. Whatever sellers are always going to have to sell so if you focus all your energies listeners are going after motivated sellers learning how to do that it really. I'M NOT GONNA say it doesn't matter does it? Will it will affect Your Business. But the reality of it is is we'll still have the business And so you'll be less affected. The main focus is making sure you know how to work with debated sellers and I mean you know guys. There's people listening have never sold more a source market outside of Detroit and I mean when Julie and I were selling real market and alive you guys have to adjust your thinking and realize that. The core reason that people bought houses was not to make money. People buy houses to live in right even expensive house thing. We as a community. That's healthy great schools close to what the things are that are important to them and those always be true. And so the. It's you know predicated A belief that housing has to always be Appreciating in value is not the way it actually traditionally has ever been so that can be the first thing I think is going to need to be challenged to remove that from their conscious. And once you do that you know the funny thing Davis when you think like that. Then all the stresses of the uncertainty service not. Because you realize there's always going to be resilient the sellers have to sell you know literally millions. That's right yeah and that's going to be extra to now. Great Message for sure and to your point there Do your point on that is is that you know what I've always told people you know. It's very rare that you have the opportunity if you're if you're buying selling you know to live and it's not an investment purpose. It's very rare that you have the opportunity to win on both sides and it's either a buyers market or a seller's market and you know maybe it slightly balanced market or whatever but either way if you unless you're a first time buyer if you're a first time buyer not selling anything and you're just coming into the market for the first time then you benefit from a buyer's market otherwise if you're selling in order to buy and it's a buyer's market you're going to get less for your house than you would get in in a seller's market but then when you go by you're going to get a better deal as a buyer right if it's a seller's market you're gonNA get a great deal selling your house and then you're GonNa go buy a house and you're gonNA pay top dollar because it's because of the seller's market and so you know either way no matter what's going on with the marketplace if the value of your house is down right now and you sell it for less than you wanted to sell it for and you focus on that as being the issue you have to keep in mind that unless you're renting from there forward you're going to go buy something else and you're GonNa get a great deal and financially it really balances itself out and so the opera the need to buy or sell. Is there You know you said sellers need to sell and that opportunities there and so we need to get them focused on the fact that you know if they're only looking at what they can afford based on what they can sell their house for. They have to understand that they can win on the buy side and if they got top dollar for their house that meant that means that they're gonNA pay top dollar for the next place they're gonNA go they're not gonNA win. They're GONNA win sides. I mean he's giving great. Obviously you can imagine the scripts around what he's saying. I mean it's fantastic but really if you just listeners where your getting stock coaching clients realtors where you guys are. Getting stuck is the belief that you can only be successful and one kind of market. Where the houses are you know? Everyone's thinking they're buying golden ticket from Willy Wonka right and the reality of it is in fact not true you can make money no matter what direction. The market's going No matter whether houses are appreciating or depreciating. Because guys look well. Here's the next question. Okay all right so the next question is we are going to jump back in that time machine right and when we hit the future six months from now. I'm GonNa sort of paint this really. Just opening future might throw some zombies and just for color. Okay so things are allow ourselves. Thanks the fight. The financing stuff has not sort itself out lenders are more particular. The default rate is increasing. you know playing into the election. Obviously the election fevers even you know as palatable people are really distracted. There's still no vaccine. There's they uncertainties gotten worse. There might even be some cities around like happened in northern Italy and like happened in other parts of Europe where because of people got sick of being forced to essentially give up their liveries. They start to revolt. I mean so. Let's say that it gets to the point where I'm not talking about a huge mask. Democrat fear and violence. I'm not saying that I'm saying. The market has not gotten noticeably. Better if some of the naysayers predictions played out. And it's six months from now. What do you wish you would have been doing differently now? So the future version of so. We're in that time machine. Random the future and we just met with the future David and tears little chef. He looks like you need some coffee right. You know. There's there's the smell of your bags under the is right. Maybe a couple of bruises on his arms. I mean who knows right? And so that future Dave's gonNA tell the current Dave here what he should be doing and and then he and he's saying listen. This is what this is. What's coming into our future? What would be the things you'd be wanting to different now? If the future if you knew with a high level of certain it was GONNA be a lot harder than it is now. Would you be doing and how would you be positioning yourself? What's interesting is probably very similar advice that I would have given myself in the past. Dave right You know I think. From a financial standpoint number one is is being cursing everyone to do whatever they can with their finances to You know protect their cash position to get rid of unnecessary expenses and that kind of stuff but themselves in the best financial position and I would I would be encouraging our clients to be doing the same thing right because if the fact of the matter is that it's it's more difficult to borrow money in the future right then. Your credit needs to be a little bit better. You may have to have more cash. I've seen some things where you know. Now it's Some people requiring twenty percent down on certain things maybe You know certain jumbo loans and other other difficulties in other financing options and that sort of thing so we don't know how how the banks are going to respond to this and what that's going to look like if it's a more negative outcome right then the the cash is king having as much as possible Having cash reserves in the bank having your credit can be. These are all the things we want to prepare our clients to be in the best position to be able to buy and sell right a lot of times on the on the sell side. The reason they need certain places because they have to have a certain amount of money to go to the next step. They WANNA take right on to be able to do that and If they're in a better cash position right and a better financial position then whether it's getting the right loan on the other side or having the you know More money to be able to put themselves towards something to get to the final results that they want Those things are going to be important. So if they have time now if they're gonNA wait Or if they're preparing to do it in the near future or decided to hold off and kind of wait till things bounce back or whatever Then US utilizing that time to to put ourselves but also help our clients get themselves in the best possible position so when the time comes where it needs to happen there in the best position to do it. I think that's going to be important. So from a financial standpoint I would also say from a skill standpoint. The other thing we talked about financing skills is understanding how to capture business there will be the restrictions may make it harder for some right and maybe even many to buy or sell and we saw you know I was operating in real estate. You know back in the last downturn the big one seven and beyond right and we saw that for a while there were. There was a hardship. There were fewer people that were able to qualify for loans and people that were in other financial hardships and but they were still people buying and selling now you have You have fewer clients as sort of like operating outside of the spring market right a lot of times. Realtors checkout during You know when. It's not the hot market times. During the the seasonality during the troughs people check out and people say you know I talked to a lot of agents that between Thanksgiving and February. They just don't plan on doing very much business and they don't put a lot of effort into it Well some others really lean in during those times and capture a lot more market share. And so there's going to be a time where there there may be fewer buyers and sellers. It's GonNa be that much more important to make sure you're capturing as much business as possible which means you are in constant communication with your sphere and finding new ways to develop those relationships to stay in touch to prepare them and to they choose to do business when with when the time is right expanding your sphere and enlarging your opportunity and the people that you can be communicating with using the spheres of your spear and developing different types of spirit. I was talking about this recently. About all the different ways to slice and dice both your market and your your sphere of influence and and looking at it in lots of different ways to understand. What types of niche markets and and other groups? You may have within your sphere and how to develop those an enlarged those Based on their connections and to continue to grow that so communication is going to be really key capturing as much business as possible is going to be key and being very knowledgeable about that market and being being that expert to help guide them through and to help get every deal that is possible closed right and so if they run into any roadblocks in the transaction knowing how to get around over around under or through. Those roadblocks to get as many deals close to help as many clients who want to buy or sell to be able to buy or sell because of your knowledge of the partnerships that you have with the right lenders right people in the business so that you have every opportunity to get things to the closing cable and they get people who want to buy or sell to be able to buy or sell to educate them that they can they. People are listening to the news and they're listening to negatively and they're thinking that they can't do it you can be that beacon of hope you can be the ones sharing. Hey I know the way to get their follow me I can. You can still do this. You know we are not closed for business. Let's keep going well. So you said you said to finances and skill you. Here's here's something you said was I mean you said many great things but here's really cool point you made and yes. I actually you said November till the spring market is when they check out for really the new checkout time. Seems you're right around Halloween. You know they seem to check out right on molding or that week Apollo wait and then they'll come back until we see that in our open. Spur emails listen to our podcast. But it's funny. Used to be the end of November. And now someone unofficially said. It's GonNa be you know. But here's the really cool point that he made is. That's what a lot of agents are doing right now. They're checking out is if it were a holiday. An extended spring break. There's the tip dictate what you've heard. But the average American is watching eight hours per day of Nut. Flex think about that. Oh my gosh okay. Which means the average age water anything and he right so if there's ever right or if if if the future guy is going to be as challenging if not more challenging than now which by the way is the smartest approach to take the old hoping for the best but preparing for the worst. The smartest coach take out he said was. Obviously you know get your finances right but the real focus right now should not just be on you know binging on net flicks. The focus needs to be learning the new skills that this new market is going to require. Whatever happened however long it takes. Maybe it's the vaccine which pushes any meaningful return to anything other than abnormal back into the middle of next year which some people are predicting. Even if it's that guys it really again. It's incredibly important. You get this in your head. They're still people that need to sell their houses. There are people that are going to be a seller's right now who are going to be fearful of losing their equity and they're going to win their houses sooner than later there's going to be You know notice default increase. There's going to be an increase in. Probate there's going to be an increase in short sales there's GonNa be increasing Very motivated sellers this for variety of normal reasons as well so work on your skill set so many agents are coming out of this boom seller's market not really developing any real dropout sell skill. And maybe in this past March you really didn't have to feel successful and make some money but now you do so. You've got this little window into the future guys. And we're saying effectively the exact same thing if you knew with reasonable certainty that there's a high probability that the future is not going to be a thousand. It's not going to be returned to the forty five. Did go which is crazy about then. It is imperative that you protect yourself financially. It's imperative that you protect yourself skills. That and he said something really cool to see what he said. When you walk into a listing appointment or even working with the buyer this skill set you have now or the skills matching walking the toolbox right so in your toolbox. You have a screwdriver or in. That would be those of you who were just depending on. Say Buying byerly or those of you. Who are you know? Depends on buying or getting Senator Pathak lights business. So let's say you have a phillips screwdriver in a hammer wellness newmarket. You need to walk into your toolbox with that built screwdriver in Hammer. But you also need to have all kinds of other tools to solve the problems with these folks are GonNa have and some of them are gonNA financial. Some of them are gonNA psychological. You're going to have to develop the skill set of people are going to want to do business with or you're not going to do business and days of centers of influence and past clients just choosing you because they knew they might give you an opportunity to earn their business especially on the sell side. But they're not just GONNA get automatically give it to you unless you walk into that. House with the toolbox all the tools that they need to solve their problems. Does that make sense date? Yeah that's Awesome. That's awesome and You know I'll give I give an analogy in an explanation to it. Real quick But are quoted in analogy from it. But you know there's a quote that says you can't stop the waves but you can learn to surf right and And if you've ever been to into the beach or been surfing or anything else like that you know if you've ever been out there when this when this the waves are really rough and you've just got pummeled right and you're you're trying to get out and they just keep coming and crashing on you and you're getting spun around and you know drinking some saltwater and all those kinds of things you know it's tough and if if you serve you know that you know you have to kind of anticipate that way but you have to start paddling in advance to get ahead of the wave so that you can catch the wave otherwise we ever watched surfing. You'll see you know people that try to catch the wave and they're paddling and then the wave kinda rises up and then goes out in front of them and then the curl happens out in front of them and they just ended up kind of coasting back right they. They missed that wave. And so it's Sorta the same thing where when we can see the wave coming. We have to start paddling in advance. We have to start getting ready in advance. We know okay if this wave is coming if we have. We didn't know that this wave right. We didn't know this one happening the way it was going to happen and everything so this is one kind of crashed on our heads. A little bit But we can anticipate potential waves for the future and start paddling. Paddling is is that preparation paddling. Paddling is the financial preparation. It's a skill set preparation. It's the information preparation. It's it's a contact communication preparation. It's really taking this time to break down your business and look for the areas of opportunity in your business Start looking at all the numbers of Your Business and looking at what they tell you. They're going to identify where your opportunities are. There are gonNA identify potential niche markets. And people you can communicate with. They're gonNA identify which one of your lead sources tend to be working the best and where to where to put your time your efforts and your money and what's GonNa be most likely to be driving business in the near future for you as you move forward so those all that preparation all of those things. That's at paddling so when the wave does come you're GONNA be in the best chance to catch the wave and right afford you know the way that I think. Every single one of us are so grateful that we caught was the XP and listeners. Some of you rolling your eyes right now but the reality of it is is this company literally gold for this market. There is it just. It's I almost got emotional when I was on the podcast the other day. Because I think I got making all the people that are xp that are benefiting from having a you know essentially found this model years ago and now they have passive income from the revenue share. They have all this security that they built. They have surrounded by all. Just this really forward thinking agents. What an amazing vision that Glenn had you know he? I'm sure I seriously doubt pandemic but to find ourselves working with the. Us Are co-president firing ourselves in this brokerage now during this time does not seem almost unreal. How lucky we all are. It really is pretty outstanding. We were just recently talking about a few things having to do with that and you know one of them was the fact that you know. I first and foremost I know you know. Brokerages out there. Care about their agents right. They want to help them. They WanNA serve them You know all of the other companies that we call competitors but we're really all in this together right I mean we're we're all out there trying to achieve the same thing serve serve the client help buyers and sellers And we should be supporting each other and I know other brokerages care about their agents. And they're they're trying to respond to it but you know they have had to pivot and they've had to adjust changed the way they do business and figure it out. And it's been clunky and you know how do we? How do they get their staff doing things? And how do they still provide information to their agents? Those companies are focusing so hard on how to keep themselves going and how to provide services in a different way and take care of their own staff and do all that kind of stuff that focusing in on providing things for the agents is. It's tough and it's taken a little while and it's been an adjustment and something still don't work right and they're trying to figure it out And we know they're doing the best they can but for us. We've always operated this way. Right we operate virtually. Our staff didn't skip a beat. We literally kept doing business. The exact same way. We've always kept busy. Kept doing business. Y- throughout this entire process. We haven't shifted a thing because we were built for this right. So from that standpoint our agents you know everybody had to adjust and everyone has to adjust to the market and adjust to the to their clients. And what's happening? And all that Kinda stuff. Other agents have also had to adjust to new ways of interacting with their brokerage and their business. And how to get paid. You know where to send things and and all that kind of stuff. So they've had so many other business things to adjust to that our agents have not had to worry about they are agents could just be one hundred percent focused on their own businesses and working with their clients and those sorts of adjustments locally and their market. So that's been one huge thing. The other one has been the fact that we have this monster training facility right. We have E. X. P. World were agents. We have over sixty classes per week. Live classes taught by top agents? That are happening all the time anyway. from top pages from all around the country and all around the world that are that are bringing their expertise of happening in their markets and these top agents are the ones that are running into things. I right if you're closing. You know hundreds of deals thousands of deals a year. You're moving really quickly. And you're coming into challenges really quickly and having to learn how to on this quickly and how to change and how to operate your business. They're seeing things before other agents that aren't doing as much business. They're able to quickly come back kind of report from the front lines and saying. Hey this is what we're seeing. We've had to adjust to it a whole bunch of times already so we've already trial and error to bunch led a share with you. What happened right? That's that's what you guys are doing right you. You guys are out there as coaches helping. People pivot quickly. You're out there on the front lines and seeing what's happening by talking to so many top producing agents bringing that back to Your Group and your coaching clients and sharing with them what's up. We're doing that any expert world in a training classes so we have tons of classes. We've increased now. We've gone up this last week. We had seventy eight live classes in one week right. We've been doing a minimum of sixty classes that we be set up. Now we're doing seventy five eighty classes a week. All on to thrive and succeed in this current market. And we were able to start doing that immediately so there was no you know we didn't have to switch to zoom and try to figure out some other stuff and how does the tech work on this. We have it structured. Our classes are all recorded. I Mean It is a well oiled machine and how we're doing all of this And then we've opened it up. We've opened it up now and doing training passes to allow agents from other companies to come in if they're struggling to succeed in this market. Now we're inviting other agents saying hey we're in this together. We have the shelter for you. Come on in get training on how to keep your business going because it benefits us when everybody out there in the marketplace is able to do business if you're able to get your listing going and get your client working with us then that helps us if you're able to bring your client listing and get our listing sold in today's market and we can help you do that. Then you know we succeed together. Yeah absolutely I can't think of any better way and I know you gotta get back to work. I really appreciate your time. We went a little bit over. I just looked at the clock. So listen to really really appreciate your time and thank you for being at the helm of this whole thing. You've been You've been a great leader watched I watched you in Jason. Your Co present. You guys really stepped into the there may be a slight. You know maybe like a five second delay and then boom you guys were ready for action. It was so awesome to see how quick you guys pivoted and accepted the new reality. And just you know. It's because like you said we're already. This company was already positioned for this. We just said well guess what. We had the extreme worlds. Yes let her Bella. You know we know what we're supposed to be doing right amplify we're doing and that's what's been so amazing to see and really the fact that we're providing training now for any age regardless of their broker affiliation so that we can support the entire industry. That's really what leadership is all about and I really appreciate what you're putting together so listeners. There it is. I mean look. This is what it's like to out. Think on the Front Lines Davis Co President of a company that has roughly thirty thousand agents growing bastard and really. I think it's probably a true statement that. Xp is growing bathrooms within the history of any other real estate brokerage And it's GonNa keep growing because of this market so this is an example of the business that actually will go to the next level faster because of this market because it's already adapted you can do the same thing so listeners. If we could just if I could just leave you with this closing and hopefully Dave has time for give us some clothing closing thoughts. Don't fear this market fear of your your your lack of preparedness for this market. You can't change the market or the market conditions. But you can't change your reaction to it based on your skill set. That's something very simple to change realize and this is a good place to start because it's humbling realized that probably ninety percent of what you were doing to get and retain business during the past. Seller's market won't work now. I my maybe that's an overstatement but the fact is is it starts with a clean sheet of paper at least mentally and emotionally. He can be receptive to learning new things monitor. Listeners ring you come across something that you just like revolt against. Oh I don't know about sort cells or whatever it is that's where your needs to be so wherever you are resisting the most where your growth needs to be and start making a mental checklist of were you push back. Like I bet all he pushed back when it was talking about. Getting your money right. I bet every single one of you pushed back. But he's absolutely right. That's job one. That's what we've been focusing on. Our podcast brought guys the last three weeks. So make sure you go back and listen and you prepare so who knows what the next six months is going to be like level in the next eighteen months. But you know how you will you know what you have to do to prepare for it no matter what comes your way any closing thoughts in your day. Yeah yeah absolutely. I've got three really quick. Ones first one is you. I've been saying that you know that the road to success is covered with flat. Squirrels could not make a decision and didn't get out of the way right. So that's number. Don't let yourself be flat squirrel right. You gotta you gotTa you gotTa Act quickly okay. This this happens okay. Boom face reality and move on right. So that's that's number one. Don't be a flat squirrel. Number two is a senator or more generals made in wartime than peacetime and more millionaires made in a down market than an upmarket. So I want you to shift your mindset and don't look at the negative side of this. I want you to look at this as an opportunity. This is an opportunity right now and so those of you that see this as an opportunity and look for ways to seize on the opportunity and to build something from this. You are the ones who will drive success and it's like Nami when it comes through. You know the people that were buildings. That were the tallest building after this. Nami go goes away. Those are often not the tallest buildings anymore. Their new buildings that are the become the tallest buildings and so when things shift. You have an opportunity to build something here so take advantage of it this time of opportunity and the last thing. I'll say that success favors speed. Don't wait and that ties back in with my flat squirrel analogy move quickly be decisive. Learn and make things happen. This is absolutely opportunity time and you can build great success during this time. Hey Man God bless listeners. Thank you for listening to any time. Real Estate Coaching Radio And yet guys there it is. There's no way for. Hey thank you for your time today. God bless stay healthy This program has been a presentation by Tim. Julie Harris Real Estate Coaching for more information or real estate coaching and training programs. Visit our website at Tim and Julie. Harris Dot Com. 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Jonathan Becher: Co-President of the San Jose Sharks

The Playbook

20:51 min | 10 months ago

Jonathan Becher: Co-President of the San Jose Sharks

"The day Meltzer with entrepreneurs the playbook and I'm so excited to have Jonathan Becker the CO president of the San Jose Sharks welcome to the playbook thanks for having me on the reason I wanted beyond the playbook is the most common question asked of me is how do you get a job in sports and if we had reverse engineered our careers hi software company into being president of Chelsea so you know the jobs are completely different but in the end they're not that different and what I mean not good at and when I left sap two years ago not long after I left Hasso who knew me got to know me a little bit better that process because I was a short van called me up and said we and and we started getting more involved with the NFL the NBA etc as part of that process we branded rebranded this building the sap center in fact that is once you get to a certain point in your career really what you're about is people and I've said for a long time that my job whatever role is I'm all about culture to dramatically expand ice sports in Northern California it's not like in Canada where you grew up in a pond in your backyard would you like to come here and sort of expand the business in the same technology minds negotiated that deal when I was still a CMO of sap the person on the other end of the table is actually my co President John Torre who is here now so we we each other long before in fact my personal mantra is culture strategy I was actually a strategy consultant for a while so I'm not trying to denigrate the process of strategy but the end how people think and what they believe is that part of that process after I got acquired ended up his chief marketing officer of sap and one of the challenge is most companies most people in the world may or may not have heard of showed them that the data suggests something different than they believe the most common early exam was baseball you think that a closer coming in on Wednesdays rest in a cold weather state nine so actually almost twenty years ago so big fan been around this building a lot for the big moments in the not so big moments probably more than a decade ago is almost more important than what you ask them to do and that translates from a retailer to a tech company to a sports entertain franchise and when I got here we were in the but how did that end up how did you end up here so I'll spare the long story interest speed this up so I became a season ticket holder for the sharks in one thousand nine eighteen years ago a startup that I was running got acquired by sap and as you may or may not know the majority owner for the sharks is also one of the founders of sap sap at the time it's very much a business to business brand and not necessarily consumer brand once on an automobile or because its enterprise yet rights and all of those things that I had the experience of what skilled you think carry it over most from you know traditional Cmo of huge Goshi ended so many deals customer hiring athletes to make appearances all the Samsung deals for World Cup of buying sign that would show the analytics weren't just for big businesses but small businesses and that was our entry into sports created a whole sports entertainment Raymond Technology Wing which I help be we're in Silicon Valley of how can we change the world we're imagining not what sports entertainment is today but what could it be five ten fifteen twenty years from now Liam is more likely to get somebody out when in fact the data says they would run these side by side tasks showing fans what they believed in what the data said and then what actually happened worth the same shown up here and that's why we actually have a new mission statement and our mission statement is pioneering the future of sports and entertainment our goal much like no you ended up being the CO president of the San Jose Sharks which is a position so many people want in the front office of professional team especially if they're a hockey fan bad at the other businesses I've said yes being a fan absolutely that's what I love about your career parallel mine in the respect that I got hired by lease steiber because so we're looking at ways to change the perception of the company was and we're big analytics and we decided if we went into something like sports where people have passion and what experiments and baby steps can we do now that's a cultural thing as much as anything else the other so the culture that I know about you is your someone that walks you don't believe Aleksei operational mindset we actually do some amazing things turning a building from ice sports to a concert to monster truck toback to ice board all within forty that story yes processing and learned about how sports entertained franchises worked or in some cases didn't work out well what they were good ad Watson you literally are like southwest CEO you're going to go down to the baggage claim and look at how is everybody handling the bags and you'll go through the entire process of looking for tickets eight hours is an incredible feat but we hadn't really expanded in a while and talking about the culture and the culture eats strategy and how to change management has been at least half my jobs keep us in business so there's a phrase that's popular in the tech community that starting to come into sports and entertainment which is what's the end to end experience some building for anybody that cares it's at Jonathan Becker Dot Com but part of my management philosophy is don't ask any anybody to do something you wouldn't do yourself so you don't know if you do it yourself unless you actually try it by exhibits coming to game as a customer or fan even though you've been one so it's funny that you say that actually I do a lot of writing my personal blog is called managed by walking around so that's exactly right may say traffic's not my problem but if a fan can't get here by puck drop traffic is our problem and traffic is a huge problem here in Silicon Valley so we spent so in fact no matter who you are I mean sat in the stands for a long time sit back there the process of buying a ticket in the in the day the only reason we're in business is because the etc so it's gotTa be about passion you're here because you're passionate about it There was a moment apparently in our franchises history where we didn't hire many fans never personally worked for a company no tech company has their employees literally tattoo the logo on their skin but that's a not uncommon thing for our employees and for our customers lot more time thinking about parking problems and public transportation why do people not get here in time sometimes because they go home to eat so can we make this interesting destination and maybe food customer satisfaction than almost anything else now unfortunately sports and entertainment isn't the same as technology I live in Silicon Valley so you typically don't get options the companies don't go public more than the building more than the hockey players more than the people on stage and so how they feel about us as a franchise and business has ten times the impact on then you also have your other customers the president which are your employees yet fair enough in your very concerned about the culture of the police satisfaction the dedication that they have to your team way that they represent consistently the messaging that you WanNa have how does that work from ill walking around strategy what about that the first is we have a very technologically advanced fan because again we're in silicon valley but you can't have one-size-fits-all as an example also on this bar but by and large I don't think of them as employees but more like Brandon Basser because in the end of the day they are the thing that the customers interact with every day because you have such great situational knowledge about both sports and technology how you addressing the separateness of you know here we have so much technology from the data side of things which I think most people who are fanatics about sports understand the role of data and how sap obviously would fit perfectly into the world is Three seasons ago I think we're the first team certainly in the extended bay area maybe the first team in hockey I don't remember now to go to digital ticketing so when you go to digital tickets Oh gee is to give people an option so we've gone back and said if you want you can actually get the paper stole again less than ten percent of the fans do that but it went from nobody in use your smartphone to get into the building use your smartphone to trade tickets all that kind of stuff you go from the paper tickets that you and I may grow up grow up see that's providing a in-home experience but yet we want to have the technology allow people to have in home experience in this arena the arena so there's two halves maybe be here because you love it you bleed teal in fact we call what we do team teal and we're looking for ways to unlock the passion get people to Games get involved etc example because traffic mentioned that before is an issue here in Silicon Valley and frankly becoming an issue in lots of urban areas I don't want to say it's just our issue we started seeing average is more important I should say this in the product on ice and so that whole everything you do when you make a decision to not watch netflix on your couch but rather get in your car or Auburn or your light rail or whatever and come here that's all our responsibility and that's the way you gotta think about it so I've got to try that out every single day and beyond just the Phoenix beans the future of sports but what I find is very interesting is technology has been also blamed including our friend Mark Cuban who initially like I don't want cell phone so getting that mental model of their part of what we do and even though they're not owners in the stock sense is really important is really interesting to coming as employees because we felt that if we hired fans as employees they'd be distracted by the product on ice or the product on stage I kind of reversed this I would much rather finan call we call the late arriving fan which is at Puck drop as many as twenty five percent of the people that will eventually show up that night don't aren't there in the Majoria answer like that's cool I'm using my phone to get on an airplane I'm used to getting on my phone to pay for food at grocery stores etc but there was a vocal not even in the venue in some cases just someplace else so we decided can we use technology to incent them to show up so for example there are beacons awesome in my office at home of they may tickets etc announce all on your phone and we went all in we went from all paper to all digital basically overnight and the dollars off a beer or here's a hotdog introduced price if we're GONNA sell beer as well amusingly enough that changed the behavior but for most as well now the differences I'm not suggesting they don't come to the game at all I'm saying that will get to their seats still typically halfway through the first period or sometimes even the first period break is more of a chalk talk of get the inside scoop of how plays might be called or meet a famous alumni or find some other skews to come in early which is less digital could do it to everything as well and so one of my point is technology can't be a panacea for everything one size of technology can't fit every situation give you another our buildings or beacons are little signals and if you come in we can send a push message says oh by the way thank you for coming in forty five minutes early because of that here's for a set of problems goes back to can't just be technology has to be part of the culture as well so now what we're doing is thinking about different kind of happy hour the kind of happy are which is what that was oh spend an extraordinary amount of money on their team and their players they won't merchandise through technology now there's with virtual reality we have the capable subset of her fans it said Whoa Whoa I'm this is not who I am I may not even have a smartphone I might be not they're comfortable this but we didn't give him an option and so the key with technology always a good thing it means that fans are more likely to come with us it also suffers for us because we don't grow hockey fans nearly fast here because again back to my there's no ponds in the backyard Ludi of actually moving our seat virtually so that we can be right on this side of the ice or of the court I wonder how your perspective is I'm going to a number of seats where roughly seventeen five seat buildings thousand five hundred but the venue is thriving bigger than that so we can activate parties outside the digital your handheld all the conveniences everything what is your feeling about that emotional energy that exists in arena like this when you're when you're a fan so look collage reason there's only one thing more emotional than sports and that's children you know people will starve before the kid doesn't get violin lesson moreover you'll people will sheet laker fans I don't like to pick on any other franchise bits that's okay so cal rivalry so you can call them that but doing that money right so you do want some repeatable but you want new people in the building all the time because if you get him in that experience of what is captures them think even better experience than in the stadium you can watch a basketball game it's harder for us to transcribe that hockey experience through digital feeds which called old school but still solves the fund fundamental problem which brings up a really good point that I would suggest in sports and was taught when I first got into the business that people bound ticket ticket operator all up to President but I think it's interesting the people who do have technology backgrounds because they understand the capabilities the fans every single day certainly at every game is I was asked them do you remember your first live game and ninety nine point nine nine I mean maybe once in all the time on the president of a hockey sports entertainment franchise but you can because of modern technology and TV you can watch a football game from home and get some people and limitations are more apt to still stick to traditional reasons why people should come to game I think that's general light and a lot of the people who have grown sounds in the arena to distract people from the content that's being portrayed a person how did that work out for him by the way getting my point is you know how do you address hold back mine on how important the emotional or energy of just being there being in this state in regards how great the TV sets AIDS so why should we white is seats the future or is being in the building and is this more of a standing mingling kind of thing as opposed to sitting thing I think the people here and less worried about new technology that made me date because I think we've got a built in advantage about as well now the key is that doesn't have to be limited back fifteen twenty years you got your first job maybe manning the doors taking tickets selling things you just there was a pretty much one or two ladders and if you've got far enough last question and it's a really important question because you probably get this all the time you know what advice would you give to young student or young entrepreneur they have a passion for sports most people tell you that are more interested in interesting organ sports because I love hockey but we both know that doesn't do it new audience thing is capped you want mine and I'll make up a number but roughly seventy percent because you want that after all we're we're a company to at least break even hopefully people that don't look for linear progression from one thing to another but people that actually frankly bounce around and try different things try their hands and I think what's worse the ill suited to take this job right but my mental model is I can figure that out there's enough smart people around here I've got friends I can talk other presidents and ask them what they do in so you and I didn't get our first job in sports right and we came in sports and odd ways and actually I think that story is becoming more and more common I think it's going to have a hockey and no other sport and I think we have a both a blessing and you might consider it a curse which is to me hockey is by far the best live game now look I'm biased well as well so push yourself to try something that's in your uncomfortable and that will lead you to something else it's more uncomfortable and how do you suggest that what advice would you give a how to get that first job in sports and to make it up to the front office so we answer it slightly differently the best for me is to take roles where I literally had no idea how to do the job I mean you could argue when I became the president here I'm I don't have the background I should be if you're early on in your career and by the way I give the same advice for almost every industry get involved in what impresses me the most and what I see the future's what I call the jagged resume ride in the park we can change the way the building works we don't have to be limited to that physical seat count in fact one of the most interesting trends is people aren't always in there or if you were professional hockey person with some business background as well that's I don't think that's how it's GonNa be in the next twenty years maybe five maybe even the next ten I doubt in the next twenty is someone not remember the first game because that experience here's an interesting that means you don't necessarily want all season ticket holders in the building because if you sell out the season ticket holders Motel I love the fact that you know as a technology Goo as technology executive tough words but it is a great great spirits especially could live to those that exist in in sports because it's been known quote unquote as an old boy network here people have started like down south my dear friend Dennis Cole as so is short for life we've been using that as well but you gotta start in order to become sharks for life so I'm focused more on the experience in and around the venue and getting belief that the right thing will always happen in the end sometimes it just takes too long to get there so let me just give you a very concrete example when it comes to it's extraordinary so spend your time challenging yourself to do things and learn things you don't add I do

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Columbia Sportswear CEO, Smarties Co-President, & The State Of The Consumer

MAD MONEY W/ JIM CRAMER

46:17 min | 9 months ago

Columbia Sportswear CEO, Smarties Co-President, & The State Of The Consumer

"Problems it's human nature to hate problems but why is that city traffic to ocean plastic new schools to new energy flight delays my mission is simple to make you money crater gonNA or tweet me at Jim Cramer only on Halloween would anyone except the track today we'll get some salt manufacturing do believe the worst com something may be exacerbated that I think it's a big mistake to panic here and not just that's because for months I've been telling you we have two economies in this country there's the consumer economy economy a lot larger than the industrial economy in the United States that's why industrial weakness we can't most of the enterprises are doing pretty well and by the way the forecast cutters are few and far between a big naked today story was floated by important credible reliable business network which claim yeah no negative news a story broke around four in the market just pundits that's how I know now at the end of the day what's because I often believe the information I have may not give you the full picture of what's one of the things that they're in charge of their own destiny listen to me is dreaming speaking for the longer this is ridiculous people the Chinese here's how I see the trade war the United States and China are on the same repeated collision course but there's one huge givers out of China with all deliberate speed we do a ton of manufacturing over there they don't do much manufacturing authoritarian one party state the last thing that party needs more unrest like the kind Asian decidedly sub optimal are situations fabulous especially since there's no real impatient Gal China and that's the president's design think of Zebra winning back their business and they can put all the soybean orders and the way they want they're not gonna get Seabra check them off but and Espn Pitas about does let me make this very simple the arshile here about one later in the show but that's a small price to pay plus you midnight even CD's loss. I expect them all to have really good Christmas third point didn't the Fed just cut interest being captured by the anti inflation idealogues has finally come through census he's doing what's right tussle it doesn't want that stuff gets me angry for their anyone even bother always call and took me about an hour and a half the facebook all it is really grim I don't hundreds of thousands of business people business though all we ever hear about is their which I think by the way accessories such a rapid pace that it's hard to believe anyone's really talking about good but I gotTa tell you when I searched the bevy of of all the different this situation what can you do in this in this era here I think it's simple need to get back some of their gains but stocks Bristol Myers Merck Eli Lilly Baljit adults toll territory that's attractive to me when we get these sell offs we tend to hear broad the opposite I want you to view this back as a gift cost your fingers and hope the Markle Cup some starbucks which had a truly fantastic quarter rallied a paltry thirty seven cents that Stocks Ah into account that's going right you'll recognize that nothing has changed not tragedy market Arizona Mark Constellation brands put four billion into canopy growth it was gonna go go go canopy did not do well under Bruce Linton sorry I know he thinks he did well but boy speak of and the shorts keep land roller stocks Ethan and California Ethan this is good and that's what we care about and you're getting a borrowing batch but even cheaper than match is interact himself it was like me so about three months ago I started investing in feet but still funds regard most recent example of the N. V. H. Anfavea offers the why does this talk there are it went up a lot I think that E. N. P. as has been knocked down by shortsellers they actually have the ability to do it now I am not Dan that all right listen to me I don't want to be intimidated by today flight or maybe tonight the winter boots down jackets sportswear can help protect you focus on good old fashioned stock and it's the biggest day of the year for smarties you don't miss a second of mad money follow at Jim Cramer give us a call at one eight hundred seven four three CNBC DOT CNBC dot com Chris exclusive CEO interviews full episodes the red flag that makes you drop a stock Amelia's it's everything you need right when you but why is that after all problems inspire us to mend things Ben Energy flight delays food safety smart loves problems some socks they now the company reported a fabulous and raise good guidance here twenty cents point one five percent today why imports because maybe the company only raise its guidance radio comedy sports whereas widely Pristina's having too much China exposure both as part of its supply chain and is recall street only expected them to earn four dollars eight cents per share now the company's got him for four seventy the President CEO Columbia Sportswear get into the core and whereas copies headed Mr Boyle welcome back to this is a remarkable brand it's almost as if you just launched it how did it suddenly getting today's announcement but Sarah's third quarter was up twenty seven percent you know if you remember the ninety s when it became really the snowboarders snowboard boot auctioned product into a women's fashion footwear brand and it's been very very and it's really been a real key story for us this year and again it just proves the power you say that it's the I think for our viewers saying it's organic it's not like you're taking amazing you know it's it's it's an incredibly successful product based I didn't get enough talk on the com school and I pronounce it right but it's sa slash kinship be wary is this some sort of universal message because they're really pretty cool Columbia footwear be we say you know if you took an athletic shoe and a hiking ahead shops not only in the US but in Europe it was a small launch gift launch in that same family that we're launching over the next several seasons it's pretty you know I'm not sure I'll check but it would be great if it were we've had a few of I don't know I'll have to check on the sneaker launch we could be the frozen two could be like that Europe sold under license are inexpensive Maybe t shirts might be the most expensive you're terrific put it out because I know it's always in the news these days you did have a slight really not nearly as important as some of the things we talked about not in China on the selling side for almost twenty years and we have the the brand is very strong there now when we talk about what's typically in like China but frankly because there's been better opportunities in other sourcing countries it's on that merchandise which we've been very clear it's bad for consumers better prices to consumers you offer a great bargain because of the high quality of your good spit a winner the hallway is going to stay a winner monies back into the brain fool episodes analysis even your own soundboard plus special access right when you need it the new man money DOT CNBC DOT com interesting yesterday the talking heads immediately started in with the next round of the Parlor Gate first story that you can't even take time to savor that moment because a long time ago I used to be a sportswriter it taught me what I often considered to be the best and both before and after not the cane the next week and these guys the customer what it means for the playoff hopes of the rams will learn whether the cardinals are simply hilltop irs that's and why it's two teams relegated come on before we have time to process but defended yesterday we're back to the parlor game about what the need to do money the same goes for the China talks that's another parlor game i Tim Cook and then the market got hammered the truth is very like how this is going to go and trying matter how the election goes this year there's a good chance the White House will continue to try to crack down on China's unfair way down trump and then they got table although that could take well is the way authors have something to say in other words it's no different than Fed das- bag a high quality companies and riding through periods of idle chatter I know it is hard yourself a favor and to Tony in Pennsylvania Tony the question is on American Express I know this is one of the companies we like but it's stock elven Michigan Elba Love You Jim that you over ninety albums I think they're going to solve the problems the stock is going to be under pressure for a little bit longer people I'm here to help much more money for three generations Suarez candies have been a favorite by the continued consumer what can win an environment like this up talking to Expert Appeal Tomorrow Kickoff I who cares who cares that sell us all cylinders of sweetness given generations of children that much-desired only only the year when we stockpile bags of candy to hand he country that's a privately held confectionery that makes my number one favorite candy I keep adorn show this year Suarez is celebrated his seventieth year in Co President of Smarties Candy Company more about what the future holds for my favorite is told us when he showed the brain your brain and a portion of it was smart as he saw that righty thank you this is a true family run business right so give and Father Edward D. came over to the United States by boat and started the business right here the act like their American but they're not anymore why did you stay it's so comes into the office nearly every single day so it's a family tradition that it is our honor to continue we're actually fifth-generation candy makers yeah so it's really important for us to continue our families it's different we're never going to do that that that now you guys may be old so while we are still in this stall gic and iconic candy we continue to stay fresh in consumer because we are fat free and gluten free top Allergen free peanut free Chris Christmas gift wrap and the one day that he had off was Christmas because they didn't have to worry anymore George thinking about next Halloween I plan kicking my feet up a little bit yes I will I'll be going our stores is at Walmart Club the club stores Amazon where do you long for us because oftentimes people don't have it on their list then they walked by the Candy Aisle and they say oh yeah ear once Halloween is done so here's the way I'd do it I have the basket and it's Phil if team takes home about forty pounds of Canada share with their friends and families so we're very popular around what do it last question would I understand why I am so cherry but I they twenty five calories which often surprises people and of course there's fifteen tablets in a role you never know lab that twenty five college it was a very long way to put maybe I'll have six before unfav Deco Presidents smarties Candy Company on the greatest American scared that Donald Lateral Aspirin in California Ashwin silence silence silence silence has got too much China people want to own the Corbeau so Thanks for taking my call look good Jim I own Occidental Petroleum just a bummer. 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Because the Senate just passed another five hundred billion dollar bailout bell but say of last Baila. El Acid quickly ran out of money. That's why the Dow surged four hundred and fifty seven point. Nine Percent Nasdaq pulled one. Two point eight one percent house of pleasure protection program was supposed to be for small business right but he had a ton of money ended up going to big businesses public companies. I was a pack of this thing and of course now I feel like a chump. I guess I should be more cynical about politics. Just trying to help small business however if you ask me. That wasn't really the big story what's going on see. There's something bubbling underneath right now under the surface and if anything it makes me want to be less cynical about corporate. America that's right. Corporate America. See this barcus rewarding businesses that a foresight and originality and most importantly heart. Now I don't want to sound too but I don't know how support it this toxin good corporate citizens are thriving here more. Benny off the CEO. Salesforce loves to push the idea that businesses the greatest platform for social change. He's a proselytizer and he's right. Why cannot this is the firepower and the sports to make things happen not alone which wipe tonight. I WANNA focus on real business. People doing really great things only help you make money shareholder. I used to scoff at the idea of doing well by doing good. I did seem foolish. Idealistic Bay but in the end. I'm supposed to be a dollar sign represented by a man but we live in a world now. Where we're doing the right. They may actually be good for business. Why don't we start? Wave which is supported a thirty five percent. Dick lie in same store. Sales stocks surged twelve percent. No no bear with me. It's it's intuitive see. The era before Krona vars value. Any socks restrict what we plot the sales in earnings against the bits into the forecast on anymore. Total knock lead offer forecast this environment if the CDC can't rely we predict when this pandemic where it's headed when it's headed it'd be Hubris for Japodlay to make the attempt so that that guidance we look at other things like the stuff to put right at the top of its earnings release. And I'm going quote at supposedly investing our people's always been the top priority after all they are greatest asset. They go on well before Cova. Nineteen we industry-leading benefits for all employees. Include free meals paid sick leave. Crew bones is debt free degrees as well as mental health concierge for all employees and their families to pay millions in bonuses to reward worker for why I showing up during the covert era. Why is part of their DNA and you know what else is part of their DNA food safety when listen to this conference call? I found myself thinking that you police kind of likes to what I want. South Korea the two countries handle this outbreak. Almost perfectly thanks to their experience with SARS years before so restaurants if they're even open are scrambling become more sanitary because becoming a corona virus. Hotspot would be real bad for business probably so ahead of the curve. They had some unfortunate food safety issues. A couple of years ago to force them to change it protocols if you have to go out to eat right now. I can't think of a safer place on earth then Japodlay but why go in person when you can get ditched is you can get delivery ever since Brian Nickel to oversee. Yo in two thousand eighteen. He's all sorts of different ways to get people food. For example they've got to put lanes drive-thrus takes just twelve seconds to get your breeders. They've got a terrific nationwide delivery partnership with Uber. Put it all together to pull. Them was perfectly position for the stay home economy. Yeah they baby news. I love this odd. People were crazy crazy at home. Eating the same people like and that's why the digital sales more than doubled march one hundred three percent year over year digital now casserly thirty eight percent of the business which is why it's more important than the fact that they had that thirty percent decline in same store. That's amazing even better. Suppose not pull knits wars. They're actually taking this opportunity to expand. They can do that. They got the best balance sheet the business courtesy of Jack Carson fabulous many of the real estate investment trust the control strip malls work. Too Crazy about the tripling build out but now the most desired tenant around at a time when the reits are desperate for business put it all together and I think they got a winning for me and that's why keep pounding the table and the stock. I've been adamant that it can go to one thousand dollars even though I got raked over the coals for being out this every time I said last night the stock was trading at seven hundred. Eighty six bucks now at eight hundred eighty two and change up ninety five speakers within striking distance. Pre Covet highs. I've been beaten this one since it was about three hundred when we went eighteen months after the last bit of bad news. Now listen to me. I can't stress this enough to police. Spent the last couple of years to everything in its power to win back your trust and in this period of fear and uncertainty what that was the strategy of big big money for you as a shareholder not the only winners snap the parent or snapchat become the preferred way for young people to enjoy themselves between or maybe during zoom classes. And that's why that stock jumped thirty six percent today. Hey Clinto positive on snap a few months go. Ceo Evan Spiegel. I think he's still mad at me for being so critical when the social media company was was struggling. I can be tough sometimes or have Texas. I really five percent after reassuring. Conference will really reassure we're magazine just told us to break out the two thousand eight financial crisis playbook and very confident things will be fine. I feel like Geez. This is like pre-ordered that hosted semiconductor stocks including Intel amd nvidia qualcomm and scour solutions. Group may stay hot Tamara. Why robust number just this very evening from chip equipment maker lamb research but nothing was more spectacular than the numbers from a stock. That actually didn't go up today. But that's okay netflix. District kicked things off by not giving one hundred fifty million dollars to support out of work content producers second. They agreed to reduce the bandwidth consumption at the request of countries that are struggling to meet broadband capacity in this new. Stay at home world. Imagine having to reduce or suppress the demand. What kind of product has that finally? They stared more than fifteen million subscribers. Double Wall Street was looking for although imagine clarified that this growth rate is unsustainable. That's not selfish seat facing stuff. They always do. I say not so fast. I'm begging his dental of a long lasting impact on people's behavior like japodlay or Amazon. Netflix offers a superior product at a superior price and I suspect. Worldwide Quarantine will be fabulous for word of mouth fabulous. Look at it like this. The company does cool interview as there. That's what they do for their conference call where they force all their executives to name their favorite netflix shows and one's coming up. I was furiously. Scribbling down the name. So I could. I could stay cool with my kids for next. Sunday's Boozy Brunch my zoom brunch. You know what it was. It was Unorthodox Calms Unorthodox the shows the Orthodox they made me and they made a ton of content ahead of time ahead of the corona virus. Maybe that's just luck. Maybe spreading preparation. I know either way. I think the stock is upside. And it's nuts that it ended up pulling back today but it brunt hard into the cliche print. What else Monday and Tuesday told you not to sweat the oil meltdown because it was a financial fake sure. What else sucks are horrible industries in big trouble but quit only went to subzero levels being a weird distortion. The futures market sure enough oil came roaring back today and while still bad is not destroy the economy dead and the stocks finally and get a little rally. You can exit again bottom line in a very tough environment. Companies with genius. Leadership with a heart are doing well by doing good terms out rewarding. Your employees protect. Our customers goof. Pisses just get your portly net flicks both of which have more upside here at because they understand that business is the greatest platform for social change. Ted In Virginia. Ten be her. Jim Longtime Listener first-time caller other todd. Who's a big Fan of the show? How all right so so. I currently hold a small position. Union Pacific Railroad and after ringing the bell back in November. I still show one hundred percent gain on the shares. I'm interested in your thoughts U. N. P. Reports Tomorrow Interested as a long term position. And what you think about the railroad sector as a whole current issue. Csx reported numbers that people like Union. Pacific I think is every bit as well run? Csx here's the way I actually intended even if it's not that great I'll go back and forth and Stephanie Lincoln this group. I'd be a buyer. Why because I believe in the future and union. Pacific is the future Ryan in my daughter's Room Salem Oregon Ryan a big rip city Dr Kramer. Oh Don you're white partner. What's going on? Hey thanks for taking my call and thanks for all of your advice during these trying times thank you. I'm a young investor and I'm looking to get some exposure to the financial sector for the market is still down and I was wondering if you'd recommend buying one of the credit card companies looking at a more traditional big bank or should I pass on those and look somewhere else entire offer. Two options do mastercard which is incredible run and that is owned by channel. Trust or you can do pay which is also run but that stock is up so much. I don't know maybe come down a little bit. Why don't we get to victory in California? Victor how you doing Jim Jeff. Bad Day Victor. I skipped my lunch though hungry. What's up just pointing it out Yeah Yeah I WANNA talk on on expedient. I've been buying this week Forty and fifty They went up to sixty In a matter of a day right and I wanna see if it's still a play You know they gotta you know good-looking Balance Sheet. I'm sure they've got lower overhead than a lot of these actual hospitality leisure businesses. And they own. They own all these websites. Dumb right fan bought. I am a huge Barry Diller fan so affair or override by what I regard as my more skeptical judgment about travel and leisure. So I'm okay with expedia especially that you kind of recap they're doing and we go. Companies that aren't doing good are doing well. Companies linked to Polian Netflix. And I think they've got more upside o'memory turn as working from home becomes the new normal. How the data centers handling demand digital really. How hot is back? Pay Find out how it's usually it's a new world plus we keep hearing about macy's and JC Penney's and Kohl's and others. Who are in trouble when I was a major structural shift at the Bond Market. And you can make a lot of money on it. Don't Miss my sit down with market access so stay with Kramer? Don't miss a second of mad money. Follow at Jim. Cramer on twitter Abba question. Tweet Gramer Hashtag Mad tweets send Jimmy Mel to mad money at CNBC DOT COM or. Give us a call at one. Eight hundred seven four three. Cnbc is something money. Dot CBC Dot Com the IBM Cloud is the cloud. That's open that secure. That's built for business. It's also the cloud that's leading the way but don't take our word for it. Chuck Gardner Peer Insights to see why customers rate IBM cloud of AWS. Google cloud and Microsoft Azure over the last twelve months as of February twenty eighth twenty twenty. Ibm Let's put smart to Work Gardner. Peer insights reviews constitute the subjective opinions of individual end users based on their own experiences and do not represent the views of Gartner or its affiliates. We're always searching for companies that directly benefit from the current crisis. Once you circle round circle the wagons around them because you know what the market's GonNa get hammered again and you need something that you know we well right here tonight. I've got another one for you. Longtime Kramer favorites called market access holdings so electron bond trading platform now for years. Market access has been fighting to digitize. Stodgy bomb market. I've been a fan since we had them on. She's a tune if years ago since stocks more than doubled with a huge jump to that. Move coming over the past month. Why because market access makes his money on volume and with the credit markets whip saw him back and forth trading volumes have been off the charts a fifty percent year over year in March. That's the stock spiked to a new all-time high last week for pulled back slightly and it's not just volatility and also walked down orders. The paint is forced tons of old school bond traders to get on board with China training. I've gotTA bleed. They'll stick with this platform even when the quarantines over because it's so much work convenient don't take it from me that sixty brick face the chairman. Ceo of market access holies knows a ton about this business he had a better sense. Phone companies thriving in this Mr mcvay. Welcome back to make money. Hello Jim it's nice to be with you again. Well Rick. Every time I see you will get better and better with that bumping you you come on this show but these numbers show to me that maybe you're kind of like the net flicks. Oh blondes that people discovery. It's better than what they were doing the other way and they won't they can't live without it. There are some similarities. There's a new way to trade bonds that happens to be much. More efficient creates more trading opportunities and reduces transaction costs. So we've had a great run and we're not happy about the reasons why given the events of the pandemic and the hardship that it's created around the world but it has benefited our business as the value that we deliver to our clients is greater than ever in this kind of environment. We'll talk to me about this. Total credit trading average daily twelve point to bill year a total trading volume of tour. Sixty nine point five. These numbers are outstanding. They're big numbers and march was an incredible month. Because when you think about it we started march with all asset managers dealers operating off their main trading floors. We ended the month with everybody working from home so our teams just did a great job keeping everyone connected to the market helping them get setup at home getting all the security certificates done properly so that they could continue to trade with their clients through an extremely volatile period in March and we did have record numbers the order flow on the platform spiked over twenty billion a day that completed orders as you mentioned about twelve and a half million per day not only were market volumes a lot higher in March but our share increased through the month as there was a premium on secondary liquidity and clients came to market access to find the liquidity that they needed break. You think people go back. I remember the first time you're on and I'm used to obviously she. Houston picking up the phone. Doing these trae trying to get the best offers. And I couldn't believe that thirty years later they were still doing it until you do think that there are people who have found market access recognized that they were mistaken to continue with the old way and are never gonNA go back. We see significant client behavior moving toward a much more favourable view of electronic trading. And you know once traders really do see Begin to change their trading habits they realized that electronically they can conduct more trades with their client per day. They can operate more efficiently. They can be in the middle of more trading opportunities and once they experience that they really don't go back and we did have during the month of March a new record in terms of the number of client firms that traded on market access as well as the number of individual traders. It really shows the change taking place in terms of people embracing electronic trading for a much bigger percentage of their credit trading volume. Many people felt that because the disruption from coded that the bond market would be in disarray. I heard it over and over and over again I have to tell you and not just from me when I read through the Goldman Sachs Conference. Call for instance. They found it much more orderly than it had been before. How much of that could have been market access? Well I think we played a role in the functioning of the market through these extremely volatile times. I look back Jim and you'll appreciate this going back here early. Days trading high yield but we looked at the move in high yield from February twenty four th to mid March and high yield spreads moved from four hundred basis points over treasuries or the spread that investors demand for the credit risk in high yield over Treasury securities to twelve hundred over in three weeks when we look back at the last great crisis in two thousand eight that same move in high yield took eleven months so these were extreme extreme conditions the other thing we observed in two thousand eight market volumes went down. During the event in this event market volumes have gone up and electronic market. Share has gone up. I think that speaks to the benefit of what we do to keep the entire global credit market connected on the market access cloud for them ric. Tell me a we hear the Fed saying you know what we're GONNA expand. We're going to start buying high yield. We're GONNA buy Municipals. Does that mean that? Can you save him big? Do they use someone? How can you tell if the if the Federal Reserve in there doing by? Well we don't have any particular insight on exactly how they will implement the program but our belief is that they will utilize the trading experience and straight through processing and risk management of blackrock. I think that's why they hired black rock as their adviser. It made perfect sense to us so that they can leverage tremendous infrastructure of black rock to implement the program so We'll we'll see but I would expect that that's the way the Fed will operate in credit markets. Well I gotTa tell Ya gotTa Hannity told me it could go this way. I was thinking that they're hidebound. Just never going to change. And you got it right and I know like you said you don't want to be because Kobe but boy. This is the best way to Trade Brickley FE chairman of market access holdings and visionary Sir. Great Work Thank you. Jim Great to be with you. Thank you told me he was going to happen. Frankly out of skeptical because I know that industry but I didn't know it as well as he did money back in. It's not just a department store that's dying it's the whole we keep hearing that macy's and Neiman Marcus in Kohl's Nordstrom are in trouble. Well no kidding. Every one of these departments forces frankly disaster area. They've been struggling for ages though but like so many other long term trends the pandemic flu fuel on the Fire Neiman was dumb enough to borrow six billion or take it so private in two thousand thirteen these leverage possibly the kiss of death for so many retailers and now they're about to file for bankruptcy macy's is trying to ball five billion dollars to save itself bond sales people incredible normally. They can wind dining anyone into buying almost anything but the proper stroke bombs during pandemic that might be a stretch though. They pulled off with another chains now too small for me to mention TV. That said. I think you'd have to be crazy to buy department store bonds. Unless you're confident macy's can get his hands on some federal bailout money out or no. I sold a ton of bonds for the old macy's when I worked at Goldman Sachs net. I went bankrupt a few years later. Costa spoiled one point five billion so it can stay closed but that is suspended dividend which was one of the few things that stuck at home for the issue. What bother doping it. All we've lived without calls just fine. We just didn't even need him to return our stuff to Amazon. You pretty much everything you need online anyway. Usually for less money and Nike direct to consumer. It's a great way to get it. Kohl's cash monopoly. Money nurses problems were more. Surprising is a high end chain. Excellent Service then again. The late Bruce Morton told me that as great as this customer service was Amazon's better who might argue with him s yourself. Do these chains have a raise on deck sort not any more than the oil indispensable department stores like lips were my mom. Labor. Selling Women's lingerie were Kimble's where my dad was fired selling gabardine trousers. Those are all obvious. Dinosaurs the problem here. Is that the quarantine questions the good operators in the band. So like we knew we didn't need the department stores but now the pandemics kissed realized that maybe the moral this one and we learned that Sycamore. The LEVERAGE PILE. King is trying to get out of it. Still by Victoria. Secret makes sense kid trying on bras when the mall's close anyway. We better try one at home just guessing it caused parallel brains to get trash down fifteen percent. Vf corporate tapestry. Postal big number cut today. Pa of the same thing when you manage Rico on. The show came on not that long ago where the mall is filled with stuff. We don't need I. I remember when the Cherry Hill Mall I. I ones an indoor palace paradise to generate a tremendous excitement. My grandparents live across the street over nineteen sixty one. While I was there store to store another shoppers paradise. It was unique stunning. Then they put a punches most like Cherry Hill which kill the golden goose of uniqueness balls became a modernized mediocre commodities. Oh sure they tried to go more experiential. I love the mix concept British buffet. Really I think work in a normal environment but I read a note last night about E. P. R. Properties Formula One of my favorite meat saying that collected fifteen percent of Abel's rents these spiritual Konami shambles movie theaters account for forty five percent of the deadbeats. Because it's hard to pay rent when you're not allowed to do business. Getting movie theaters were on their way out. Anyway right too expensive to limit candy so expensive. Better watching movie of your choice. Viet Netflix big screen home. Other malls tried to save themselves by leasing new experience. Office like gyms but nobody wants to go to a shared Jim during pandemic although the Georgia cover thinks might be a good idea. The general consensus is their Major Corona viruses incubators franchises. Even pet stores may be shot until chewing came along with some much-needed online competition. Only two kinds of retailers are working here. The ones that have enormous scale and sell essentials or the ones the fabulous digital businesses. That Cost Walmart. Amazon. I think Home Depot does make it in target too but that might be it from the off price stores. They can buy all the excess inventory created by this retail crash. No matter how hard they try all treasuries horses and congressman couldn't put Humpty dumpty of retail together again. I know there are tens of millions of jobs in the line. Depending MIC's real financial casualties but perhaps less. It's just a matter of time anyway. How dug in Texas dog scam? Which do for all the little guys out here You're welcome you do a great job. Thank you I've watched. I've watched it since nineteen ninety eight. Wow and I remember. I remember your stories about living out of your car. I think I picked Sick sick tricks up in nineteen ninety eight living out of my car. It'd be stockbroker picked up something. Good now they're about to report but I've gotTa tell you the February April twentieth. Because that's my mom's birthday and six I think is doing is an absolutely fabulous day at home trade. If it comes down I buy it anyway. Let's go to work ethic. Living Your car you save a lot of Ren Emily Washington. Emily Bolya Jan. Thank you for taking my call. Of course I love your show and read your books. Oh thank you. My question is General Dynamics Their stock is doing pretty good and then it took a big dive in March and slowly starting to rise and my question is how do you see them employees as a technology company? And do you think they have the ability to innovate? An Aerospace? Really liked them. I like the military side. I like the three point three and get this Alex. The private jet side. Why because everyone's so afraid to fly public at I keep saying listen. If you can make it so that they got ultra-violet you clean it up and stuff with the mass in attend matures on the Flyer but people think I'm crazy man. I need to go to VI- easy easy. Wash state where THEY SCOTT. Down I and clinic clamp coded by. Hey Jim big Seattle yet. How you doing it. I love Seattle. I love it. They're all the smart whistler. Notice the curve here so because you gotta bring out tweet people. What's up all right? I wanted to get your opinion on. Brookfield property partners which is a limited partnership and and you know just effector in general be py. I like them because you know they have the Mike. Conic retail and office asset also the pandemic offer some some real opportunity to scoop up high quality at bargain basement prices but then there's also the downside of the big leverage with which is further exacerbated by the fact that rent from tenant might dry up equity. It's really run by very very smart group of people. I mean really smart. I want to say that they can. They can pull this out. They are very smart people. It's not my cup of tea because I don't like real estate here other than the Beach House and my wife bought but I I understand. The rationale by the mall is simply full of stuff. We don't need only with enormous gale and essentials or of course off price and great direct to consumer are going to really prosper. Haywood made money quitting my exclusive with a company up more than twenty percent over the last month which company is thriving MC ball till the hour. Sit Down with the CEO. It's a little surprising and I'm chatting with the man who seemed six financial recessions overs queen. Finance why does this one look a little different and all your calls rapid fire textures round? So stay with Kramer couple of weeks ago recommended a bunch of specialist real estate investment trusts especially the data center with millions of people work from home any more data center spaces support all the cloud based software the running. And that's why these days have been such consistent winners during the lockout and certainly separating themselves from the rest of the region which are often losers now take digital real. It's one of largest retailer in the world is bound for three percent you. They OWN OPERATE YEAR SERVER FORMS. Both here and abroad especially with last month's acquisition inter son and that is a major. European data center firm digital really was the fourth best performing stock in the SBA hundred during the first quarter up sixteen percent while the average is polacks and essence. Odessa some percents I. I pushed it just three weeks ago. Can this stocks keep climbing? Let's take Cloak Bill Stein's the sea of digital really. Get a clear idea of how US companies doing where it's headed mistress back demand mining. Thank you Jim. Good to be here. Well bill gotTa Tell You you've been spot on and everything I wanNA start on. A bright spot to negative today is earth stay and you announce the project gigantic one and I want you to talk about it because it needs can make everybody realize how far we've come in this world. Be Happy to Jim. So you're right. Today is Earth Day but sustainability is is one of our top priorities. Every day of the year we're focused on sustainability because it matters to our customers because we think it's the right thing to do today. We announced a new energy agreement to supply clean renewable wind power for data centers in Dallas. We more than we've more than doubled. I renewable energy sourcing over the past two years and last year our renewable energy efforts avoided five hundred thousand metric tons of carbon emissions which is equivalent to taking over one hundred thousand cars off the road. Each year we've been recognized for leadership in the industry we were named the EPA energy star partner of the year just recently navy has named as the leader in the light award each of the last three years and the data center category and in two thousand nineteen. We achieved an industry leading twenty nine Energystar and green building certifications in some. We are absolutely committed. Delivering Sustainable Growth. Our customers are shareholders and employees salon. I see in your new logo section of the February thirteenth finance results. Two hundred fifteen new logos for social media applications. I have to leave. Those copies are saying you. Hey Bill you know what we're GonNa go with you but we want to see renewables. We do not want fossil. You're right you're absolutely right. It's a in some ways it's table stakes today. Didn't used to be but it is today but I gotTa tell you when I see these things it tells me. Also people say well Jim Wires oil down so much well. There are wire fossil fuels wise natural gas down so much because people like bill. Stein are listening to their clients. And they're saying you know what we can gain business if we run a cleaner operation again. You're you're spot on with our customers. So let's talk about the worldwide growth you go to you just announce your third data center in Singapore. You're moving aggressively in Europe. You're going to hyper scale. Why those markets I would think that the United States strongest market United States is an extremely strong market We've had a tremendous growth over the last really since last time. I was on this. Show On this show in two thousand Sixteen Jim. At that time our market cap was just a little bit over fifteen billion today. It's forty billion. Our Enterprise by he was twenty five billion now fifty five billion so we've invested around the world since that time. We acquired the public company. Dupont fabbro since September. Seventeen we now. Joint Venture with a a seventy sharing that investment with Brookefield in Brazil and Chile and most recently acquired interaction the larger European colocation player but we think the opportunities We basically Jim. We think that it's important to serve our customers around the world. We have a global platform. We have a soup-to-nuts product offering from small cage cabinet to hyper scale. Where the only company that does that and we think having these offerings around the world is absolutely critical for our customer base bill earlier. Last night I read to the Netflix. Netflix actually had to suppress a lot of its business because people were running out of the coal countries running out of bandwidth. I've also been focused on people who've been working from home now. Working from home must huge mused huge part of data center. That had never been used before. How much more work goes into a data center? How much business because Stan Homework we? We've definitely seen an increase in data center demand during this crisis. You most of us you said it are you and me right now. In fact we're we're working from home so the the videoconferencing social networking platforms. All of them are customers. And we've seen an uptick in their bandwidth requirements and the businesses are under pressure to accelerate their digital transformation. It's not just a consumer to consumer suspend post-crisis. We expect that this. It departments will continue to beef up their infrastructure to support a fully remote workforce. In fact I don't know whether you saw this but You know recent Gardner Survey Seventy four percent of. Cfo's said they intend to shift some of their employees to remote work permanently. It's incredible the whole cuts. The world is changing right now. One last question again. I'm focused on hope tonight. I don't know why I just feel like it. Ai Powered Tech for pathology researching in one of your handouts. Does that mean that? Maybe the data centers are helping scientists to try to come up with at least a vaccine for for Cova twenty. We actually are. I mean and and one thing that that we are doing is we announced that we're waiving fees for certain verticals for six months. Connectivity fees and those include medical emergency services educational and government. So we're we're doing our part. We're we're trying to give back. In addition we've given a million dollars charitable contributions to various organizations around the world to source a vaccine. Well let's hope we beat this thing Bill Stein. What a remarkable and soon you have a spill of digital really deal remember. We said the reach that you want to be in our data center and that is it may have monies back after the break and then they'll let me when I was are you ready scheme dazzling David New York David Agem. Thanks for taking my call. I know your big fan of Netflix. What do you think about Roka? Do think it's a good. I grow court cutting feel that I like so. I'm going to say okay. Let's go to Brian in Florida. Brian how you doing man. I'm doing well. Thank you doing. Good good good good man. I've been a longtime listener. You love your advice. Men they'd gone for about thirteen. Years is levied McMahon. I believe I believe I'm young investor. I'm long term. I believe in every portfolio. You have to have a cornerstone. My thing is the insurance industry. Haven't heard a lot about it however along the industry brown and Brown random. You Really Trust the Stock Symbols. Bro. I gotta ask my Buddy Robbie Braille. He's Mr Reinsurance but when it comes church business you know I'm a guy look no further than having Greenberg. I loved that interview by the way last weekend almost got postponed. I would've just been driving. Hopping mad let's go with. She lied New York. Sheila I can can west Chester Sago with got well looking forward all day to mad money and then to squawk on the street in the morning Holy Cow. You would meet both your every day. I know you pull this through last time. So we're GONNA do it again. Maybe this toy impossible I gotta make dinner. What is that about well? I'm thinking about T. Rowe Price. I actually liked the company very much. This industry is been Completely trash you to three percent yield people that save again. They've got very good management. Let's say yes You think I'm finished. I'm just getting store because I'm going to date Dame in Florida days very my very first. I thought okay. Hey Jim I was looking at M. O. V. L. for a long term play and for Spectra. Turn play unit. Can you give me any? That is a really intriguing company. And we're GONNA do a little homework because it's not just a regular reap it is. Actually when it's involved with wireless that oh I gotta go by email from John Leger seat. He mobile at ninety. I miss that. Guy. Maybe I'm making my coast from Friday's do I gotTa do more on. You knew I do more work. Let's go to the Nash. Before the New Jersey did ask Jim Initial New Jersey's you caucus yes. I need advice on United Airlines. Yeah the deal didn't hell they did. They offer stock and they didn't offer keep it up in the whole they screwed up the deal But you know what? I'm a big believer. That wants to come back. I WANNA fly yet. We really are my friend. Jim Stewart said some. We're GONNA fly again and I do feel like united. It'll be okay. And that legem inclusion gum might be is sponsored by geometries. I'm more about accountability. And they're screwed up when I heard the distressing news that fogarty. One of my favorite places. Brazilian steakhouse had taken funds from the cash-strapped Payroll Protection Program. Angry foget shells run by a private equity firm. This was supposed to be a small business bill out but I blame the wrong private equity firm. I thought Thomas H Lee partner soil in this chain but the truth is they sold it years ago. Now wants a totally different Alvin. Thomas H Lee owns a bunch of companies but they haven't taken a penny from the payroll protection program. However there's a civil line here when Thomas H lease Gracious co-president Scott sperling reach out to ask for correction. We got to talk about the pandemic. He gave us the perfect chance to invite him on the show. In addition running provident we from a lot of automation software business. He's also the chairman of Mass General Brigham Health System. Hey that's the parents some of the most important hospitals in Boston. So He's got a unique perspective. He has always been a friend or CNBC. Mr spurling welcome to me buddy. Thank you Jim and thank you for graciously pointing out The Arnon ownership fogo was a great deal for us where we tripled the size of it but We haven't owned it for a number of years as you point out and We're very mindful of the situation that we're in today For very hard across our portfolio to make sure that we have a high level of self sufficiency And as you Have also graciously pointed out. Have not taken triple P. money. Well skirmish you to have a huge portfolio. Let's say these companies were all based in Georgia? Okay and Georgia's got to reopening plan. How many of them do you think you would reopen? And how many of them are open now? And how? Many images say is the governor of his mind Well I'M NOT GONNA make the political any political comment smarter people than me like you but We we're we're very careful about this As we entered this period We were able to deploy are very large team. Operating experts across our portfolio to position each company for what we thought could be a six to twelve month period of uncertainty And of challenges on the revenue side. Make sure that every company was sufficiently liquid to Take care of themselves on Let's call it reasonably worse case basis As we enter a period where we believe that there will be an opportunity to reopen more fully. You know we want to be equally careful and so our team is prepared a document that has one hundred different items to it. A checklist effectively to ensure the safety of our employees across the entirety of our portfolio. And to make sure companies are very mindful of the challenges but also some opportunities that may exist for particularly for very specific portfolio companies. Let me as chairman of one of the most important healthcare systems in the world. Is it your perspective that the media's to negative the president might be too positive. I'm not trying to be politically but I lean to this. There are a lot of people including people. I've talked to at your institution who think that vaccine could be closer than I realized because I think it's three years out. Where are you in terms of the old amid kill of Cova nineteen so I think the more immediate The more immediate breakthroughs will be in the therapeutic side. Okay think vaccine According to our folks is probably at least a year away in terms of being Fully deployable We have teams of researchers that are involved in almost every one of the major efforts in the vaccine side and so I think we are optimistic that there will one but to be realistic. We have to assume that that's a twelve to eighteen month. Timeframe hopefully not three years. But in the meantime I think we're making breakthroughs in a couple of areas. The first is a number of therapeutics that we are a major test centers for are showing very positive results. And we're learning how to best use those therapeutics and the therapeutics would be both antivirals but also six inhibitors which deal with the inflammation. That seems to be the cause of some of the most High Acute Case complexities so. We're really learning a lot about that. We're also making a breakthrough in terms of what the protocols are for patients. I think we've all been a bit disappointed. In the experience with ventilators. I know their story and Bloomberg talking about ninety percent mortality rate for people going on ventilators. New York City not quite as bad in Massachusetts. And if you're at a place like the mass general or the Brigham it's actually closer to fifty percent so much better results but still not where we want it to be and what we're learning is that there are many things that we can do Before we get to that point that had a very positive impact on patient outcomes. The other thing that we know is that most of the Fatalities are of people who are elderly or with significant co morbidity of one of five different types. The elder so the elderly population is. What's really driving much of the death rates the average age of People in Italy that we saw seventy nine point six years old. It's not much different in terms of what we're seeing at least at our own institutions So it really is Focused from a from a mortality perspective. On mostly an elderly population Disa- something. I know we can't be anecdotal. We have to be empirical. We have to have control but when you talk about the aisle six when you talk about some of the things that we're seeing the antibodies are. That does make be optimistic. I don't WanNa get too optimistic. We had something like that happened last week in Chicago. But is it your perspective that the test that you see going on without resilient he the test you would make us feel better as a people who are so fearful right now once we get to the hospital. I believe so. I think that you know there have been early. Reports out on a number of different antivirals. Let me just say that. And I think what we're seeing is Reasonably good results and we're learning how to best utilize those antiviral at what point and for whom So I I do think we're making very good progress. You know. Look this is a they. Call it novel for reason. Nobody's had it we're susceptible to it. It spreads like wildfire because of that and The the only The only positive is for most people is not high It it it. Leaves many people with Mild today symptomatic Condition and I think our healthcare system is getting much better at dealing with the people who actually need hospitalization. We've done a really good job. I in Massachusetts Charlie Baker Governor Marty Walsh. The Mayor Boston. Many other politicians have worked hand in hand with our healthcare system. And we've made sure that we have the appropriate capacity to deal with the high acuity cases that may pop up so that we don't have situations where people are waiting in hallways for lifesaving Help we'll look Scott. I want to thank you for your gracious. Thank you for all the things you're doing to try to help save save lives and running a fantastic firm Scott. Spur got thrilling will speak co-president. Thank you sir. Pri- private equity firm Thomas H Lee and the chairman of mass general. Brigham good and talk to you. Serves always thanks so much. Jim Take care good deed. You're sitting craven. Here's supposed to happen. We've actually had good earnings lamb research capital equipment company semi you know? We like participates blowout. I mean numbers. Kimberly was blowout. I I've got a table that IBM those who sold it at one sixteen. It's all the way back so before you guys decide it's all over. The numbers are good. Says always blew my promise criminal. Why was he begins how the IBM cloud is the cloud? That's open that secure. That's built for business. It's also the cloud that's leading the way but don't take our word for it. Garner peer insights to see why customers rate. Ibm cloud above aws. Google cloud and Microsoft Azure over the last twelve months as of February twenty eighth twenty twenty. Ibm Let's put smart to Work Gardner. 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Introducing The Suga

Dead Ass with Khadeen and Devale Ellis

06:12 min | 4 months ago

Introducing The Suga

"Good you're well and Kadena LS. We have something special for you today. We've got a little peek of a new podcast. At just launched with stitcher fan is called the sugar it's hosted by Tika sumpter. She plays the MOM on. Abc's mixed dish and Tie Randolph. She's co-president of Kevin Hart's LL network. The sugar is super relatable to me because Tika and tie are both boss. Moms just like me. The sugar is the Brown Mama's guide to the sweet life. It's a safe place for black MOMS to talk about the complexities of motherhood and celebrate their sweet sugar babies. I know with our three hole. Boys parenting can be so challenging but also so much fun. I love that. There's a show where I can hear other women talk about those things to all right. We've got a little five minute clip of the sugar for you to hear right now if you like what you hear. Subscribe to the sugar on. Stitcher spotify apple podcasts. Or wherever you're listening right now so you don't miss an episode. The sugar is A. Place for MOMS MOMS to be the undecided aunties. Talk All things motherhood We get the opportunity to speak about things that a lot of the Times. We're left out of the conversation whether it's via mental health and also indulge in the joys of motherhood and being where we are and speaking on that whether it's you know potty training to talking back to how we are changing the the story of how we raise our kids and this is a place where you know when I first brought this idea to tie and cultivated it with her to become a bigger part of another part of what we're doing. Which is Sugar Berry? I was pregnant with Ella. Who's now three? But she was in my belly and I was searching for a community. I was searching for products. I was searching for other people who looked like me and had fibroids in that. I wanted to talk about and understand and Struggled with as well so this is a place of love laughter Understanding and also getting a lot of Resources and advice practical advice for US I think is black women. There's so many parts of our journey and particularly our journey motherhood that we have to package up. Put a bow on. And it's about strain and being a superwoman. Doing it all and I really wanted a place where we could actually unpack all in that and be really real with each other and delicate Are Broader mission. Sugar Berry is to be a brown Mama's guy to the sweet life we think You know we deserve to indulge too and to be vulnerable and to be light hearted To find the best resources for ourselves and our little ones. And that's what this is about and so I'm excited to share to share in the sugar and the sweetness But also to really be real. I remember going through. Ibs myself and thinking. This is the loneliest place. I've got a broken body. This is so tough to navigate. And what's funny? Is the minute that I started talking about it. The minute that I talked about it at work or with girlfriends you find out everyone's going through the same thing or some variation of the experience or have experienced You know some areas of doubt or frustration but no one is having that exchange. Yep so I feel like when we're really honest about what our experiences are. It gives everyone else permission to do. So nobody's getting gold medal at the end for saying you did it all by yourself right. That's no one even knows. Can I say you don't get a gold medal for having non epidurals pregnancy? Yes you don't get a gold medal for breastfeeding for two years. You don't get a gold medal for sleep not sleeping and being okay. You don't get a gold medal for anything right. There's no prize. If you want the epidurals get the epidurals bottle feed and bottle feed. But they're so much mom guilt that other moms give us. I got guilt guilted for having a C. Section that I could not control while months need to be careful. We have to do that you. There's a thin line between advice in judgment right and so everyone doesn't need our two cents if you ha- if you WanNa know what I did great if you don't find but whatever you choose I'm sure you're GONNA be okay if you're providing for them if they're safe if there's a whole spectrum of right answers exactly now it's time for our mommy mantra so we're excited to introduce the segment. Every week. We will You know sign off or leave you with a mommy mantra and it's an affirmation or a bit of assurance just for MOMS something sweet to carry you through the week adding quote anything like that So I have one go I'm allowed to make a big deal out of things that feel really big to me. that's from Think it's Amy Carly I just feel like sometimes people make The things that feel big to US small or they don't matter like you have a good life and you don't need to complain about this or you don't need to even like saying complaining because you're talking about a situation and I think sometimes when you have or you don't have you can start feeling like well. Nobody wants to hear me or here. My little problem right. Your problems are big to you. And I think it's okay to say them out loud and they valid and people sometimes make them invalid because they're not big to them so I it's I'm allowed to make a big deal out of things that feel really big to me. I love that. It's similar to what my mom always says to me. If it's real to you then it's real so it's okay to acknowledge it. You don't have to qualify it. It's just this is what I'm going through. Here's what it is yeah. I love that the sugar is out. Now listen on stitcher apple podcast or wherever you get your podcasts.

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November 2019 Astrology Forecast: Last of Jupiter in Sag

The Astrology Podcast

2:30:03 hr | 9 months ago

November 2019 Astrology Forecast: Last of Jupiter in Sag

"Hi My name is Chris Brennan and you're listening to the astrology podcast. Today is Sunday October twentieth two thousand nineteen starting at ten fifty three am in Denver Colorado and this will be the two hundred and twenty eighth episode of the show in this episode of talking with Astrologers Austin Compaq and Kelly surtees about the astrological forecast for November of two thousand also add as not everyone might know like eminem and like we don't Yankovic a a relentless troll aware of so I believe you and Watson throughout Patrick Watson throughout Eminem and then we about November it's all mercury and Scorpio all the time little bit retrograde little bit direct but in Scorpio the whole time yeah breath of Jupiter and Sagittarius Mercury retrograde in Scorpio so we're GonNa do the forecast a little differently today we're going to present the US in probably makes a lot of sense as far as mercury and Scorpio he was obviously obsessed with magic and mysteries and the Colt and yeah one that's the it's one of the probably the most consistent thing about November is Mercury Retrograde until the twentieth and who had Mercury and Jupiter both in the first second of Scorpio and so I think that I don't know his reputation like mercury is like all about one of the things I was doing a threat on twitter earlier this week was like talking about famous mercury and Scorpio place were cast astrological forecasts in the planetary alignments for November first and then afterwards in the second half of this show were just going to chat about random astrological we'll be in Scorpio the entire month yeah and so you know other than the outer planets that is the most consistent thing L. Yankovic whose parodies of Eminem were brilliant it was both mercury and Scorpio's I can contribute Alister Crowley hey we're back again it's been a month and it's time to get into the ass logical forecast for November where mints and some people throughout some pretty good ones I was curious if you guys have like a favorite mercury in Scorpio example that comes to mind see we'll see so we're GONNA try testing this out and sort of throwing good bones those people by just doing the forecast first and then if they wanNA check out at that point than the integrate station it's happening on Halloween in Scorpio read yeah so that kind of opens the month in many ways it seems like right mercury is slowing down and getting ready to station retrograde but it's not quite there yet by the time I released this episode it'll probably be like right on the mercury topics so usually we do it the other way but there's a lot of people that are always asking for like time stamps and how do they skip are boring chats that beginning so they can go right to the forecast horoscope writers that was like a very thinly veiled attack herb but yeah he also wrote a he wrote an essay on Arthur wait Dan for everybody else they can see no skips straight to that if they want to anyway yeah where should we start let's get into right now into as we're recording this things are finally starting to heat up again and we're about to get into a really interesting part of the year that everybody's been looking to forward to in December but first we gotta get through one more right I was thinking about the episode I did on Evangeline Adams and one of the things where he had a falling out with her and he wrote this just like screed about Ah I love that because then when a planet slows down and stations and just one sign you really get a much better feel for what that planet especially at enterprise you in people may know weight from the writer Waite Smith Tarot he was one of the designers of that very popular Tarot deck and he called that essay dead eight okay about his uselessness but yet earlier one that you mentioned eminem was my favorite one and obviously the eight of his popularity in the early two thousands so obviously there's a lot more going on there but it's just funny thinking back especially a lot of his earlier music and how is a lot more going on there because he's like a libra with Sunan Libro with mercury and Scorpio and he has Saturn in Gemini and he was going through sort of Saturn return during the Oh so was the word like acerbic was in many ways as part of the reputation in the way that he expressed himself despite being a libra but having that mercury in Scorpion agent woman and she's very famous for a speech about misogyny which he gave in parliament of attacking the opposite party and if you like and the other one enough is a poet Raynham Maria Rilke who I love his writing and on the first came to mind when you mentioned that was at previous Prime Minister of Australia Julia Gillard who was incredibly shop intent artery but it's like you know yes throbbing lifeforce sort of water not not tepid water trysted to to check it out but she's the first one she's also a son in libra actually was just having a quick check of that yes so there's that makes unquote some of his poetry when I'm talking about Mercury and Scorpio about the truth telling but the depth there's a quart of he's that says something hot water or water that's been rapidly brought to a boil and the funny imagery I thought of actually for Scorpio was a hot Tub Jacuzzi water that that fixed but Marshall Water I usually use water which is flowing in a consistent direction such as in a fierce the blood within you it's important to have a sewer system right if your blood couldn't clean itself right then you'd be dead Lavi I think I think all three of our examples are Sunan Lebron okay what about you Kelly data I was thinking of that 'cause I previously on the Zodiac series I had used like ice as a mercury in Scorpio descriptors like an speaking up from her perspective about how women were being traded according to the issues of the day and I think that's actually on youtube if anybody who's in does signs that same day and moves into cemeteries and the mercury basically spends the rest of the month in Scorpio before eventually stationing about three weeks later skewed but I was thinking about that earlier today that doesn't actually make as much sense because it's a Comorros ruled sign and Mars tends to be much more hot and much more fiery so it's more like ahead and stick with my Jacuzzi analogy and sewer analogy but I appreciate nonetheless the imagery well you know the I mean you know if you think about the rivers of hiding in there and mercury and his shot is like twenty nine school Pr Sorn that's interesting yeah the darkness of Rilke Yeah and he's actually Woah to try some of it but it's very piecing there's nothing that is left unexplored or unsaid no matter how shop would direct it might into November yeah well and it so it's worth noting here that mercury during this retrograde is really not areas a day after mercury turns retrograde and so you know mercury has a sex tile with the Saturn Pluto stuff in river or through a sewer system or it's it's always it's always moving always always moving but it's still fixed you know it's course eventful retrograde mercury retrograde than the other ones that we've experienced this year you know the the two previous mercury retrograde this year and some of their views I guess and I think she actually gave that speech when Satan in Scorpio was on her mercury in Scorpio so that's a really interesting one just shop nece or a directness or piecing quality two words and communication as mercury goes through Scorpio and as you said Austin it's Mercury Saj it's yet it's not just darkness it's like there's also you know the the juicy nes- mm-hmm so there it is open with November first mercury is retrograde already conjuncture Venus Venus quickly changed anything that no real configuration to Mars which is its ruler and so this is you know this is a somewhat less okay well I think it is important to keep your mind what you guys are talking about mercury assign ruled by Mas so there is Jio all the time this mom sometimes retrograde sometimes not but it is I mean if you've never read Real Kaz poetry this be a good month to love to do the full like to finish my second edition rewrite of thirty six faces during basically Moore also I am in I am in a fifth house perfection right fifth is litter the fifth is certain of the hidden rivers of blood it's very passionate and very it's you know it's the depths of passion rate it's Jerry Elementary Wall during second half of October and get it done in November now this is you know it's it's mercury retrograde you're rewriting yes but there's I'm great imagery for Scorpio we all know what happens in hot tubs I I so for for Scorpio for Scorpion literally rewriting my creation like Yukon. I can't beat that it's just make it up right it's like an so classic back you're not I'm just paraphrasing here but something like you're not dead yet it's not too late to dive into your depths and to find what's morals in the world right now so having to look at reschedules rescheduling citizenship test based on how like international relocations which is nice. It's not that there won't be some of the standard mercury retrograde types of events and experiences but there's a little room cabinet had makes a train to Neptune in Pisces but you know angles You know no angular configuration haven't I have a I have a great The sort of future anecdote about this mercury retrograde so I had scheduled myself what you create right this is literally a book I have created my fifth houses Scorpio and Mercury's retrograde through my perfected fifth house is Retrograde Mars does move into Scorpio later in the month but just as the retrograde is leaving off and we literally Elbow Semel Tena Sleepy Mercury stationing direct as when Mars joins the pardon yeah and so and then Venus leaves of Venus Leaves Scorpio for Szeged we're both right on top of everything and right in the mix on brewers this one has some space to do its own thing which is some bulbs and I just heard actually about my Canadian citizenship tests which are applied to do sometime ago and literally just got an email as so you still gonNa take it even though you relocated to different country and the premise that you might go back at some point we are actually considered to be thing if you don't have that it's kind of a hassle agree entirely on there were a few new home purchases that we may during the previous Mercury strongly configured too much right it's ruler Mars is in libra for almost the entire time that Mercury's retrograde were we really wish we'd kept the box totally so I'm really struck by how almost I'm for that it's not crowded on it's not on top of melih `fix enduring a clip season and you know all that business that we experienced earlier yet three slowing down saying can you show up in two weeks back in Canada to take these tests I've had to reply no I cannot and he's why because we're the pricing here is done so yeah so that's like good great in the ninth documents to do with international the site and other things like that I got too many websites need to consolidate some of them but yeah and then of course will be having you guys out and that's going to be a major turning point it's easier to do with the book then like rewriting a child or something other house topic symbolism would benefit I ate some where the river is headed and also blood like arteries right arteries veins that like always flowing fixed direction as a Scorpio lemonade and what about you Chris I'm trying to just like avert mercury retrograde issues I had my my laptop died like two days before mercury when into its shadow and October in having to return it having like the new laptop not work and all sorts of weird stuff so I tried to get it in before it went into its shadow and but I'm I'm hold and I got the laptop and it's working out well so far but I'm keeping the box and I realized that's a great piece of advice if you get something make significant especially technology purpose somehow still legally domiciled resident in Canada because we're here on a defense posting if that makes sense and we will be returning once will and grace schedule so that's a to be continued don't have an answer for that one yet so that's showing up so classically for each of us the people it won't especially if you're in a annual perfection year where Gemini Virgo activated that retrograde could be a big deal for you or if it's hitting crucial partner it's kind of a it's not interfered with if you like it's just mercury doing retro in Scorpio and so there may be some very topical things to do with the Chart Lake let's say it's going through your ascendant or going over the sun in your day chart or the moon in your night chart that it might be more significant we'll maybe we'll call it like how thin quake or something like that okay yeah so you guys are coming out here next month and I didn't schedule that are I did schedule that but I didn't do it with that in mind so I was like oh well that's of course I'm doing that then you're a sentinel MC or decent that can be more make this retrograde a little more relevant right so what are degrees again what did you say record like four or five episodes we're going to do the December forecast the twenty twenty year ahead forecast in person here in the studio and they were GonNa do analogically and let's start going through some of these so here's the planetary alignments for the month of November we can see the ingress of Venus into the worst thing for you Chris isn't it this attempt house retro for year. Yeah I mean it's GonNa be a major work thing also just re redesigned a twenty seven back to eleven twenty seven to eleven okay yeah so anything in that range but especially around that especially if you got anything around twenty seven Scorpio then a few days later we have the halfway point through the mercury retrograde cycle where the sun can joins mercury on November eleventh in at Scorpio or if you have anything around eleven Scorpio that could be more crucial for you than others are eight so that's a murky retrograde that's as mercury stationing direct and Scorpio on the twentieth of November followed of course by the annual ingress of the sun into cemetery us and on November twenty seconds that Story Austin and a little pedal one for me is that Scorpio's ninth house remain so this is mercury retro is happening in my nine thousand with international long-awaited two part series on the signification twelve houses and maybe something else or maybe like QNA like if we can squeeze an Acuna we'll do it lovely astrologer and website designer named Cat Rose Nell again who does a podcast and she helped me redesigned my consulting site and we're talking about redesigning some other stuff like the podcast was us that Mercury's retro in in your in your job for listeners so and some people the Mercury retrograde will be a big deal for me secretariat's right away on the first of the month one of the other things mentioned very early on as Saturn's sex towel neptune goes exact on the eighth of November Scorpio on November Nineteenth Mara Sorry Mars Ingress into Scorpio and that happens nearly almost simultaneously as questioning direct on the twenty seventh of December so those are the major things are there any like major alignments that I didn't note not here Liam Ricky retrograde is is keep the box like sometimes like you buy something new throw the box away you're like I don't need that but then it turns out you need to like send it back or return it or something name is an insanitary as the entire month but it's almost the entire month and so we've got mercury and Scorpio direct and otherwise author things will yeah so the degrees that McCreary retrograde is from twenty-seven school pr back to eleven school peers so if you've got any planets in your chart in that Zoya you know maybe squeeze in like a drunk astrology podcast. I'm like that I don't know I live on camera okay we'll see what happens then we have Venus in Sach right co-president sharing the sign with Jupiter from the first until was that was that the twenty twenty twenty so that's the halfway point in the retrograde cycle the day after that we have the full moon in Taurus then about a week later we jumped forward to Mercury engrossing Sagittarius basically as this lovely conjunction with Venus later in November and most of November but building up most of November than culminating around the twenty third twenty four at that call last month for you know help doing website redesigns and I've started some of that and started working with You and if you know what if it goes over a planet right then you WanNa look at the house or houses that planet rules and if those are activated Uber Eleventh Yeah so I was kind of scrambling every time this happens than all get a new laptop right about the time it's going retrograde and just go deal with like three weeks of hassle the fifth yeah so that's twenty five days at the amount of time I'll tell you this is this is one of the last great flourishes of Jupiter then at the end of the month we have Venus quickly moving into Capricorn on the twenty fifth a new moon and Secretaries on the twenty sixth and Neptune St can cycle of Venus through Saj this year with Jupiter we had that back in January and early February so there is pap some wreck it feels like there's going to be a lot of maybe happy encounters or positive plans I know Mercury's retrograde and I understand that moving out of a place where she's being locked or limited because she's uncomfortable and you know in her detriment in sculpture and so there is a sense of lightness and resonance with that timeframe for some people but I it's just such an uplift of hopeful connective energy that when I when you see this client with progressions and things like that it's such a sense of freedom not just because Saj could be about freedom but because Venus's in terms of the podcast and everything so we're GonNa have I think you're calling it astrologer summer camp break Kelly well I will go against wake but I don't want anyone to get moded that maybe we'll go contribution to temperaments we have cool and moist right which are the qualities of water and Savina Saj can be emotionally into a sense of perspective or hope or possibility if hope is too strong it's least least you're starting to see movement and it is this is actually the just exit going to be tricky but there is this real sense of we can do this or I'm willing to take this job or I'm going to give this thing a shot twenty-fifth so let's talk a little bit about Venus and Saj let's do that so Kelly a you're the Venus expert would he how would you guys describe it because I know you'll have a lot of thoughts on this to Austin well let's see I think one will be seeing the best I like the best case scenario of Venus in savage this particular time because we've got The ruler the ruler of Jupiter that are exciting yes and I think excitement is a good thing it doesn't it doesn't have a doesn't have mendes amount of depth or wait but that's okay you know we'll be getting we'll be getting depth from from other places here we strong proclivity for water signs being one of the true -plicitly rulers of water signs and I would say you know if we look at venuses connected and you know sort of Serie say how excited about the exciting things dominate like the first three weeks of the month but that is not the only thing we have going on this month right no it's not maybe let's do it's a crime I mean I don't know if I would necessarily say it's super major but having baynes conjuncture Jupiter is going to be a nice one I think it's November twenty fourth around Ah I mean I I like Venus inside it's much less personal the nineteen for more information about the show and how to subscribe to it go to the astrology podcast dot com slash subscribe he guys welcome to the show he but you know it's it's a it's a good mood it's an I think the ways to the way to further activate then Venus and Scorpio even though Venus is in its detriment in in Scorpio on Scorpio is you know it's a water sign in Venus has how just lowers I have the flowers its its first evil I mean I love the change of Venus out of Scorpio into Saj and you know we've got a nice adventure coming up we do be traveling to the the forbidding mountains of Denver I didn't provided for Ryan all of the all the way of saying thank you it's all all the Ju- -Tarian fixings right let's see I think it's I think it's nice you know it's probably not the rate part of the year to be setting off on totally new adventures this idea of going from looking in woods and very introspective to starting to look outwards at possibilities and so that sense of returning winning photographs thatch yet and that is our electoral chart when we're going to be feeling that for weeks and weeks ends with peer pressure but I'm curious I think for our listeners to think about what house this mercury retro and Scorpio is happening in your chart because as you mentioned Austin in the signed with Venus right and so that's you know that a planet that's in the sign in the same sign as its ruler is going to be about yeah I mean it has a real sense of hope and optimism win Jupiter and Venus come together in a sign like secretaries more than I can almost think of any other song it it is do adventure everything's you know quest the things adventure things you know tonight we ride it's that kind of feeling search has here you know it's it's it's basically like hanging it's like being Jupiter's flavor Flav for a month now ms almost more of a Sagittarius vied to me which is interesting because I keep thinking of in terms of the contrast with what happens pretty much immediately after this month and intimate quality of Venus inside that she's maybe less connected at that personal level and more interested in the outwit experience remember when just everything goes into capricorn and we have everything moving through you know the darker Saturn ruled sign and really setting up most of but yeah there's not a lot of shall we say it's not a lot of opportunity for lasting work that Venus is that are good for Venus that are nonetheless very counterproductive of forgetting things done getting worked on central dignity and Sagittarius except for one bound and I don't want to oversell it like it's nice and this is the best possible version there's almost like the the movie of what's happening is just as interesting is what's happening like what things like that you know that alike yeah with Venus and Saj natives I see I don't want this to sound superficial but you know feeling like you're doing a good job which feeds your desire to accomplish things it's it's it's worth noting that it you know Venus doesn't have any this is basically the election were looking at it right now so I guess I'll go ahead and introduce that our election chart where Lisa's Shyam and I pick out one hiring energy that comes in in December or you want to get the quest out now I like the distinction made Austin around the less Have that outwitted. Let's ride vibe it's not gonNA be as it'll be idealistic but not as like like optimism Radin and Venus Saj is is good for you know doing going and getting your work done and being awesome and feeling awesome and next year during the course of the month of December and the contrast then with that everything moving to capricorn makes it so much more stark and makes the an auspicious election chart where we find the date during the course of the entire month that looks like it's the most positive or most auspicious and uh of the past version but you know I would say as far as emotions Venus in Saj is really good for excitement of planetary alignments for starting different types of ventures and undertakings using the principles of electrical astrology and the month or the days specifically that we came up with this positively the being ready for the best and to bring the best you know I think it's a good place for as far as Venus goes there are some places month is a November twenty third right around the middle part of the day the exact time I guess is like so if you set it up like that you'll end up with a chart that has Pisces rising the rule of the ascendant is Jupiter which is seven degrees of Sagittarius applying conjunction with Jupiter which is a helpful and affirming or stabilizing influence that Venus's bringing into the table to help out fully you would set the time to round let's say one twenty four PM in your location in your city and set the chart so that has Pisces Rising Jupiter the ruler of the ascendant Jupiter's also the ruler of the ten th house of career reputation and action so it's a good general purpose a major has happened it's a little instagram like the best version of something it's the vision chart for things where you have to make a good public impression or have to accomplish something in terms of business or just actions in general malefic it's pretty much aversion to to Mars and Saturn has no aspect either of them it does have an applying aspect from Venus which is at twenty for the Dawn. You're right you're right Chris it is it is quite a change Eighth House but this is mitigated somewhat by the fact that it's applying to angular planets very closely so that's not a huge deal we would recommend the moon in this chart is at twenty four degrees of libra and it's applying to a sex tile with Venus with reception followed created in such a terrace in its own sign in the tenth house inundate chart so that it's the second fever I it has no affliction we just how bright that transmitted through secretaries conjoining Jupiter looks in comparison yeah it's like the opposite of it's always darkest friendly fixed are very friendly yeah and the only downside to this chart is by this point in the month Marris's already Ugh Yeah and you've got a chart you WanNa say a cruise knows just what you mean the election yeah should I should be Sex Tile with Jupiter so the moon is also applying to both of the benefits in this chart and that strengthened through the reception it's not a great house because it's actually which is the other reason why this is one of the best elections of November compared to let's say some of the earlier ones were mercury was still retrograde the only downside that I'm not that thrilled getting the time so that if you can in your location try to make the mid heaven sex tile to the moon like we have in this chart set for Denver where we set the Mid Heaven at twenty four agrees of Sagittarius so it's exactly style to the Moon at twenty four libra if you do that it will completely mitigate that Eighth House placement of the Moon so you'll have more positive manifestation make that trip Mars is coming up on an opposition with urine s at three degrees of Torres which adds a little element of instability a little element of erratic nece that I'm not super thrilled about but I think all other things considered the fact that Mars is otherwise not a major player in the Chart that should be okay edge of the Venus Jupiter conjunction and we're also at the very tail end of mercury mercury retrograde periods of market is actually direct by this point since coming from that like things having to do with shared resources or other people's money or things like that it's a little tricky because even `bout is that Mars has already ingress into Scorpio at this point and like all of the planets that have transited through Scorpio so far this year I think Mars is the last inner planet that has this is right after Mercury's station direct it's literally just stationed direct three days earlier at eleven degrees of Scorpio so that's the other thing that's nice is were able to take advantage there's Mars strong Mars in the ninth with Mercury and a day chart this would be a good time for abominable heresy this is load thus goes I just want to jump in another thing that mitigates that moon is is right next to speeco yeah which is a very it should be doable yeah I the one of the things that makes me think of immediately I've been rereading firm and mark and what are the other major alignments this month should we start talking about like Lou nation like the firstly nation yeah we we need to circle back to that mid month period centered around the so much attention to mercury station retrograde and mercury stationing direct but the that conjunction with the sun and Mercury arguably just as important of a turning Venus moves into sage on the first and then once we get to the eleventh twelfth we've got a couple of things a couple of things covers the episode Kelly what about the Chart Yeah Look I was picking up what Austin had thought that moon is I know it's in the eight but it's so beautifully auspicious elections podcast which is available to patrons on the five and ten dollar tears through our page on patriots on all right so that's the election Chart Korea will actually be at the same declaration as the sun and so that means we're actually going to have mercury trying to eclipse the sun like I've been saying it for a decade so one thing that's particularly cool about this one is that mercy placed on speaker which is it's twenty-three libra it's just generally a helpful uplifting kind of star can offer some protection or some insight culminating Torres Austin yeah yeah definitely that's so a lot happening right so mercury or mercury kicks off the month with being retrograde relapse unhelpfully with our extra logical terms but yes so you know if we're thinking about a planet in the heart of the Sun Kazimi than this is it's so Yeah that's the electoral for this month there's going to be three or four other election charts so if you want to get access to those available through our private subscription only you against the gods in the is this GonNa be our transition again to advertising for our sponsor this month last month you we started talking about the Anti Christ and then that was her transition into the honeycomb which did pretty well despite that so we might actually want didn't nature art okay well Save Your Satanic Imagery for later in the episode then once we transition into the promotional aspect of this Greece stationing retrograde and then being retrograde for the first week or so often you'll see things reach a crucial or a pivotal are using to record our year ahead forecast and this is the chart that we've basically centered your trip to Denver around next month were the three they looked familiar breath I remember this yeah so this is hopefully if all goes well when we will press the record button to begin recording are twenty twenty year ahead forecast which will ris earning point at this point where the issues start to recede or at least the solution to the issue starts to become clear starts to manifest repeat that if it since it seemed to have gone relatively well okay well I've got plenty of abominable heresy okay have Mars in the night walk across something sin where that comes from and that's why that's what mercury literally be doing in this instance is literally you'll see a little hold on it's the being it's that point where walking through the forest lost if you just keep walking you're not walking he means it gets yet and transit original Greek term for transit was at them bosses which means to step upon or to like amble be trying to eclipse a basketball and so this is that the astronomical terms it's a transit of mercury which of course out of the forest yes yeah it's eight reminds me of a pot and I'm going to be maybe butchering this little bit like in the Hero's journey where you've kind of figured out this up in bosses okay love it I mean I love that imagery and then also the idea that this conjunction is happening at Eighteen Scorpios get the Sun Mercury the conjunction midway point I think on the eleventh people often paid partially mitigate the eight I really liked the moon Venus Jupiter interplay there are a good one goes like this chart the chart the chart interesting to play off that pace around visibility and darkness is that this happens just the day before the full moon in Taurus yeah good segue thus reaches the height of its emitting of light at its peak brightness and we have a full moon that goes exact in Torres at this time on November yeah yeah it's the it's th the revelation at the at the bottom of the underworld in the person's life whatever the problem was that you needed to deal with you start working through and sort of working out so that you start to see that there might be an end in sight by this point polity perspective that's invisible as mercury gets at L. Movement from this point forward is on the way to a return to visibility acre retrograde there's Al- also often at turning point that occurs around this time so that whatever the sometimes like crisis was the problem that was set up around the time of me it's one of those styles that if you can get an chops always nice to have and aspect from the moon to the MSA degree as you go to Denver location is helping Lisa December although I'll release it earlier than that for early access to patrons were signed up on the early access tears through a Patriot patriotic so we're GonNa do this you know planet just like walking across the sun for brief period of time when it moves in front of it what what what was the Greek term again Chris up in Boston yeah I think is inside the bounds of mercury in school pr just to add a little extra mercury merger it's the last twelve so that analogy we get liquor almost repetition of the symbolism you're talking about Austin where mercury reaches that degree of the bounds yeah the the bound of mercury within Scorpio for within Scorpio yeah very nice so this is the the halfway point in the nurturance etc etc but it does so in a stabilizing way right that fixed earth from Torres is very helpful and the moon is largely with urine s right around the time that mercury is hitting execs conjunction with the sun but about a new leader the moon hits nineteen degrees of Taurus were it opposes the sun and the moon we left to its own devices here we have you know we have a trying to pluto and it's coming off of a trying to modern we have a you know a loose sex tile with Neptune it's completely on configured to Mars it's not it's ruler of by trying and it's departing it's separating and so it's really you know I think this Moonen tourists will feel like a movement Torres there the committing of light and lighting up the darkness surrounding it at night and I like this moon because it's uncomplicated into the mercury retrograde cycle and really deserves a lot of attention if you're paying attention to mercury retrograde trend elect times things because agree with that Venus is in a good place but it's unconfirmed yared and so you know we might get a little bit of a little bit of Saturn flavor from that trying but it's if you look at delineations for the moon it's like oh it's changeable and so the Moon Torres provides for manifestation materialization middle point in the cycle and then there's sort of begin of a return to visibility and at the same time we have the moon at its peak visibility and peak sorta you're doing in there and now you can make your way that it's the beginning of the return yeah because it's literally from visible other planets are in places where they can testify you know again roaming yeah overwhelming vigor yeah I do error that you get in cancer where the moon is also strong where it's things are too slushy right the moon's doing them into problems is that it changes too much it's almost cliche grounding type energy where you can be in your body obeying the present you might be feeding Sir Capricorn Eclipse series that were in and I forgot what a crucial turning point that is when you get the full moon that falls in between two eclipses because it's and this is you know in in this narrative structure this is the coming out of the underworld right brilliant which is Aarp Pluto by degree and try and Jupiter by degree and had Saturn Mars angular it was there was a lot there's there's there's a lot of on Dak for that one and was interesting with both yeah like square the nodes With the with there being both off of a moment stillness I know you Ranasinghe Torres but it's quite separated by degree and so I love that idea of of the stabilizing really powerful benifit influence with the perfect Jupiter train as well as a variety of malefic influences I saw it go both ways a bit of a bias to the full moon in Taurus h year and I know it varies depending on the testimony of other planets but it's it's one of the full moons that I really like just as on some people's lives was much more crucial than it should have been or than I anticipated being and I realized in retrospect it's because it was the halfway point between the cans dotting point what you're talking about Austin that it is stabilizing the energy of Taurus's so anchoring for the moon which otherwise can flit around so much so but you know it was really there was so much on deck there in addition to just the moon and that's in many ways the opposite of what we're dealing with here really this is a full moon in Taurus how do you like Torres and moon because that's what's on the menu it's not a lot of choice it's like the continuation or the next turning point in the series connected with those those clips serious yeah I mean it was also score chart we've got some other charts we're gonNA use that week for other lesser episodes but I think this is the one we want to focus on for the year ahead the Yaron so there there it is so the very next day the moon which is already in Taurus at that point actually passing over that the Earth Ns of that full moon two things really quickly one to do as notice that aries full moon that happened this month I it's very high quality nourishment it's actually just an all beef menu I'm just GonNa say but there isn't a lot of choice where's that last one had Haitian the being quite explosive one of the things though that's a little unique about this moon as it's one of the first full moons where we have your ns now firmly in for people I was talking with my my students my classes after that happened and so people had a great time some people had a fucking awful time sorts of things it was like a buffet would you like a half eclipse Pluto but with Jupiter sauce and Mars angular but not you know the Moon Moons Exalted in Taurus It's you know it is not only good at moon stuff it avoids it avoids the a boat right I mean but it's may be good advice then for people going through your transit maybe have patients with other people ah degree aspect ing with a minute staten yet areas full moon was yeah it was definitely dramatic and it had a lot of Indian he was like yeah we could do that or I kinda WanNa just live on a boat this was in Pisces this was late it's going to liberate you it can feel like you're setting off in the lives of others I remember many years ago I was maybe going to be Chris and I've been noticing for some of the people where tauruses like dominant sign in their chart it's been interesting watching some of those people like Taurus rising -perienced other people in their life like a person's acting very erratic right now in this is like disrupting old relationships and is can sometimes be different not well we'll nourishing pampering body in some way but you might also be just having a chance to catch your breath and pause to do some reflection from that place he's like that but then it's interesting seeing how they how other people in those people's lives are dealing with that because sometimes I was realizing when you're dealing with somebody in your life that's going through like a heavy Uranus transit and what they're experiencing is suddenly liberation and breaking away from constraints as sometimes fins irritation maybe not even irritation it's it's when you're the person seeking the change because you know some understanding and I would also add that when you're in the middle of the series of conjunctions thanks for example who are going through periods of like a urinary transit through their first house and are like seeking liberation and breaking away from old structures and or any of land and go live on a boat but just can consider that how that may affect other people don't don't do it you know I guess A lot of people do experiments with their life and experiments yield valuable data whether they are successful all to deal with if you're not the one that's going through the survey of more liberating phase of that yes one person's liberation is another person that is at your pace is not going to be everyone else's that'd be mindful that you want to move quickly and other people may need time to adjust but the trial and error experiments talk about we are offering a high quality I mean if if it was a menu choose that Metaphor Austin it's like organic grass-fed or totally locally grown he was doing some business with was maybe going to start a business with a friend who having urinalysis transit the degree of his ascendant and a little bit of patience for those that are still catching up with where you're rapidly going in new directions yet it it can be totally authentic for you to flee the AH sometimes I see people hugely concerned that a change someone has made is going to will do this with their life than you know than this torres now I guess it would be fleeing the fleeing the the ocean of for the for the sweet embrace of Tara Yeah but whatever lives that might not be in board were still struggling to adapt to their sudden rapid like complete life overhauls and development are you know I think that's great advice Chris and yeah that that goes both ways if you have you know if you have someone in your life who's going through urine as well if you're the someone like in this in this in this are going to proceed from that the when somebody's in the middle of a couple years of Uranus conjunctions they do stuff and then they do other stuff it's not like one it's usually not one change and then it's done absolutely not a series of changes in some of the things often say to clients with Iran it's eighth was like yeah that all sounds good but I kinda WanNa just live on a boat and I was like and I checked it I was like Oh yeah urine as on your Senate by degree yeah I'm GonNa live on not but you know give them a little time they may not settle on the current the current experiment you know in Pisces would be vastly superior from a essential dignity perspective. Yeah I'd be but it's not and if you are in the middle of series of Iran US transit keep in mind that your timelines and much shorter don't think about making a five year plan just think about a three Tate's Austin for sure it's like you do one thing and you get some stuff out of it but usually you'll have a sequence of at least two possibly more changes note we at the conjunction against basically we move onto the third week or the following week at this point when the other stuff starts happening right definitely all right so that is the full man that's going on right in the middle of the month are there any other major mid-month things that we need to yes definitely whatever whatever that stabilization pieces read because the night before the full moon is a Kazimi time and hectic from the outside looking in absolutely and I would say that you're in pushes us to the edges of the known and has gazing at the unknown then it's going to be a review of this year's science yes that's great review of this he is science love it final time some of the experiments in some of the new changes that people made in their lives at that time were initiated in their lives back in May you're probably gonNA start were starting some of those experiments especially earlier this year round May when we had the newman in torres not long after urine s wind into Torres for the Saturn Pluto Mars but those pass quickly yeah let's like myself return this year lucky year note this I'm willing to roll the dice to try almost anything else yeah so I brought some of that up as low segue with like you're going through Torres because Chris there's a like okay so here's what we're doing with urine is here the experiments here the changes in process and then next day okay like what see some of the results of that so that it becomes clear with the outcome of those changes were and whether that experiment was like a success or whether you have to like go back to the drawing board this Lou nation I feel like in Torres this full moon that's taking place is probably going to bring to light and there's probably going to become some clarity this month for some of the people are we gonna do with this hot away let's sit with it which is the you know that stabilizing but yeah if you've got you know early early fix stuff curious as the archetype of the mad scientist except your laboratories like your life cycle reconfiguring things fine moved this lovely Moon enclosed by Mars Saturn Pluto conjunction and they will deal return chart Sorry Yeah My I've had some some non advantageous solar returns The last several years in a row one thing I would say this is outside my realm of experience and now I'm curious about it because that's I think what you Ron Styles is it arouses curiosity willingness listeners yes and Vim Chaudhary doshisha before I will look at solar returns I mean you know and then filter what's going on in solar returns conjunction Saturn it's just barely separating by minutes but thankfully it applies directly after that square with Mars in conjunction with Pluto. This I mean the mood in Germany is nice 'cause it's configured both Venus and Jupiter Jupiter and the Moon in cancer especially the second day of Cossacks because it's configured being in the test tube will move that piece of your life somewhere else you know what it looks and feels like a weather it's right for you have to get into the lived experience of it and that's why it seems a little techniques I'll take cycle releasing an annual projections and certain transits and probably natural years right like urinalysis an inch doesn't doesn't polar attention towards what we already have data it unfamiliar it's like this is different questions about this the other day one of my classes and you know they're useful I would put them you know fourth or fifth in line up behind a lot of other timing restlessness it's say restlessness to someone having Iran is transient and I totally get it because they board their in the Itchy the you know it's not as important as other things I see a lot of people freaking out about solar returns Chris Professional you're going into yes is thank God that solar returns are not the hermit will end they're also like I like the there was some different conversation so we're going to start with you we're GONNA start a go fund a what about the nineteenth Mars ingress into Scorpio and returns to its home home sign and is no longer on that angle hce stop they've previously been they stop being risk averse in that area they're like yeah whatever I'm so sick of it month basically I think slightly extended it for a couple of days but then yet it's done now okay well they'll still be other like price hikes so it's still like moon conjuncture urine and then the next day the next night is the full moon there's very much a late I agree completely if you're going to go to the conference in the early buy the tickets the better yes yes okay okay third week of November or something and hike for ten miles to get into remote location in order to have my sula return which would be perfect for moon conjunction Saturn I was thinking okay you begins and that's just you know maybe a sign of things to come totally off yeah because you know there's GonNa be a big conference next year in your backyard where way to fly Chris to a location where Jupiter will be conjuncture degree of the rising for his solar return we like to Hawaii time up to that point and even though it's separate it's been separating the exact square for quite some time this is when that squares finally officially over this is the first time with you're going through Torres having an outer planet change signs like that and being in the sign of the first time in seventy or eighty years through Scorpio and returning to its home sign but it's really getting altered an offset and changed in potentially dramatic ways by hitting this yeah you will be in the mountains that's good anyway we'll at least we'll have a lovely Venus Jupiter -sition with your ns as it returns to attend signs it's not just a pure mercury and Scorpio archetype but it's changed significantly so what are some all of your astrology paints they're going to fly in just to see your yeah I don't know just to see me but they'll all be here we have a lot of fun it's it's really changing the dynamic of some of the inner planet transits that otherwise we're used to and would have their own flavor on their own like Mars going there's something wrong with Hawaii we'd actually have bad luck though I'm sure it would be the shooter contract my ascendant I'd have to go to like Siberia deep within like it's coming up it's not just on the surface it's very much like the belly and rising up very deep Shen and my eleventh house and you guys will be joining me out here in the studio for the first time I also think about that like that's happening about five minutes after your solo return you an uber here and know this that the tricky thing I think especially with Iran us in Torres you can't anticipate what it's going to be like until you pull the it's worth remembering that all combustion engines you know that our cars were most cars run on those are all contained in directed explosions right you know it's very explosive if you can contain and direct that explosion it can be very high energy you know yea yes and that is replaced by Mars opposition to urine us. Yeah how shall we say consider the integrity of your containment structure around that especially around The for setting gasoline on fire and then using the contained power of that to drive really fast and so you know you wanNA third week move chart again Mars into Scorpio I believe is our first order of business correct festival business let's get the yeah I guess a volatile or a combustible type quality it's GonNa be a different tone to that because the loss time we've had mas opposite you Ranas you too capricorn which is at eight that's that's the very tail end that's that's the end point of the Mars Saturn Square that's been going on for a long time Muesli yeah this was the day that I didn't WanNa do any recording this is the Sunday Pasta says the day after are amazing election one of the analogies that I've used is that you know Mars is the the keg of gasoline or the or the powder keg and Uranus is though the lightning strike really Marzi configuration than to engage in an activity which requires cooperation collaboration yen like space share. Yeah well back I my Mesler turns really bad look at it it's November first and get the moon is yup on Mercury and also I think that I think it's much easier to do a solo thing under any because I know when Austin said let's not record something together I was like totally fine and I remember thinking that's all ninth house for me and I know it's not perfect in terms of the early bird special actually just ended for that was really surprised that that's already over they did as a very short time line just what was it like impossible keywords for let's say Mars opposite Uranus or Mars opposite urine us with Mars going through Scorpio Well Mas opposite you Ron Gibbs that's what I would have that's not a good class leading anywhere good I'm going to twelve I'm going to my Twelfth House Perfection Yeah Okay Okay all right okay right we can just gratien staff but I often end up teaching when there's a lot of Scorpio activation just because it is ninth house and so it turned out that yeah I agree with that yeah I mean Mars any angular configuration between Mars and Erin as You know it's a those two right at the exact same time that Mars is exactly opposing Uranus on the twenty fourth the moon like comes up and joins Mars and imposes you're an almost it's just that's just a little bit you know that's not the whole time something yet is is this the first time we've had a martyr opposition to we have that at all in the last round we could have because you know we haven't had Marzan Scorpio opposite you're in Torres for like two years yeah vacations because those are kind of difficult energies to combine into something in a way that is not subjectively kind of bring in handing off back and forth and maintaining cohesion. If it's just get up and do your thing that's much that's that's within Mars is unsettling when it occurs to have to like liberate or separate from something but often in a way that's you know difficult or or hot laborious like building one stone each you know month in order to build a temple over the course of a thirty year period engine that that there's a lot of energy in this configuration and essentially as what you're going to channel into one expectedly but the person the other end of that might experience that subjectively negatively on the other hand you might be the one that experiences a sudden separation or yeah and they both have change yeah as a as what they like you know when when Mars acts it's not to keep the situation the same like Mars and your answer both really rapid really sudden and really impatient changes and sometimes that impatient can lead to an impulsive action earlier whereas Mars is often a desire to separate from something and when you put those together and put them in a tense aspect with each other were there energy though in both cases with both Mars and unionists with urine sits like desire a liberating energy or desire to seek liberation like we're talking about Ad Nauseam Scorpio's since Iran has gone into tourists so this is a new one and this is one of the things we talked about last month that's really weird as just the sure at extreme opposite ends of the spectrum that's why were you start getting some of the explosive and potentially like tumultuous type six disruption of something that could be experienced as unpleasant even if in some instances it becomes necessary or constructive in the long term that leads to the separation of the liberation but in the process there's somebody usually involved in that process that's not having a good day when that takes place yeah right whereas like if it's like Saturn and a person is slowly stacking bricks a you're like yep you know yeah absolutely definitely and I think that that you know it's always useful to think about any configuration both from giving this afternoon I'm taking a cat I think we're GONNA get a new cat by the way an extra one what if it's me versus what if it's somebody I'm relating to but I think that becomes all the more vital and important when we're we'll be taking a bolder on that day thankfully a few hours after this exact thing has passed yes four in the morning right Chris you brought that up earlier with urine as like two big difference between the person who's going into the wild versus the person who is left behind I too narrow agenda meeting agendas what did they pull the marching order the magic level that's appropriate isn't it so there it is so is was in libra aries and that's a more volatile sign pairing versus the Scorpio Taurus which is sort of the it's like the the rumbling nine and those are both ex those are I would say undoubtedly the two most impatient planets yeah it's not like slow change like Saturn can sometimes be like slow versus like the person who just wake up one day and says I don't want to be in this situation anymore namely don't chart it just goes into like a really kind of tense one so Y- Elliott during the workshop in Boulder on silver kitten because we have a kitchen have with a Maine coon probably not as much as from my current cat I mean for a while Yup she's slowly stacking bricks it's not a big deal you've got some adjustment time like thirty years to get used to that yet right and he will be like a kitten to what was formerly the kitten and he will be cared for and have his head licked in his old age aw and so the plan is to get him a kitten so he has somebody to care for and keep him young and then by the time he's super old the kitten will be gigantic unexpected possibly disruptive action needing to take place and perhaps taking place at the Mars Uranus opposition around the twenty third twenty four th when the yeah extra Yang case ours wears out is this an actual cat retained metaphorical cat now too literal it's a little cat thing with Mars in urine especially you know we're we're we've got dramatic big action we're talking about that earlier six up to that point and then all of a sudden mercury sort of stations direct and like the action that has to take place you know becomes clear at that point wheelhouse in a way that dialogue or trialogue isn't that's a really good point and I think too often about the combustion that was a complete non sequitur we will have to check in again on this next month for Catwalk Twenty nineteen yeah to get an update ace yeah yeah I mean you you may you may be the one that suddenly having this desire to cut and separate and several yourself from things moon especially comes in and activates that we have mercury stationing direct at the same time so it's almost like there's some deliberative act that had been taking place for three I'm back to this just it's we didn't mention though that mercury is stationing direct pretty much simultaneously all the stuff we're talking about of sudden decisive possible some people this may have been something you're doing on for a while during the course of the mercury retrograde and then it happens and everything becomes clear around the twenty third and twenty fourth yet that so that you can get to the quality of what you're doing and have you heard that phrase that ride a phrase kill your wings yeah and then yet Muslims the player exciting the plan is to get a Maine coon's are very large so he's getting old or current cat he's about twelve right now that's beautiful I don't know why the Sculpture Mas Iran conjunction made very excited that you're getting in on the cat bats and Marsden Scorpio both both are vicious killers yes that's true cats hunting instinct is phenomenal fixated in a way that can be very helpful right think of a steam engines ride or hydraulics you know it's the the Anneli deeply ingrained yeah yeah yeah Yeah so I like this tell us about that Austin will so aries and Scorpio and you know areas is the bright bombastic you know well lit visible in move very productive yes like having blink on and just keep keeping on with whatever is in front of you and just consistent effort tackles Yeah I've always Gone With Samurai Ninja Ninja Energy. Yeah just moving silence Tori side of Mars and then Scorpio is the is fixed and it's water rates to its its pressurized and emotionally gene gun and that Mars in Scorpio is like a snipe sniper rifle and that was his analogy for the difference between aries energy versus Scorpio energy right to to to scratch off it's not your you know your to do list in your hitlist right you just you get a Dun Dun Dun Dun Dun Iran we've been on a waiting list for a Maine coon kitten for months on we found out that we get our pick of the next couple litters and so I want a giants then that's the you know that's the same energy and mindset that that's required to bring things to completion to get it done Louis through the night but steadily like penetrating the defenses accomplishing your you know whatever your your motive is moving on Ooh two let's look like it looks like the twenty fourth which Chris's just put up where we have the the Moon Conjunctiva ours opposite urinals look at it the moon hits Iran's it I'm sure I'm sure kate will we'll let the Graham now if the kid that emotional energy fixed on getting it done it's done getting through fixed on whatever it's very it's it can be a very productive and you probably shouldn't be killing people or animals right but let's there is that Marson Scorpio brings that killer instinct and I couldn't come up with anything if Mars was co present with Mercury when it was retrograde oh I think we could have gone with retro blade but that would have been really under your current cats quite big but I'm main he's the shetty EST- okay but the point yet completion thing I just wanted to also throw in the Venus Jupiter conjunction is happening basically within the same twenty four hour period as the Mazi rawness so month plan and then reassess because everything is moving so quickly that you couldn't possibly commit to something twelve months or two years out at that point in time list slaves it as you're saying yes yeah I said this a million times on the podcast but the Zoeller always had saying that Mars in aries is like a talking about the Munoz's Iran Combo and that idea of cutting in the clearing just like you need to release need to let go need to get done that closure into place it's going to be the stuff clicking into place to then do the next cycle I thought about that Balsamic Moon when you I think we should talk about Marsden Scorpio outside of the pace yet because Martin Scorpio's great of here's the connection between in November comments yeah I was thinking about names for this mercury retrograde that the the spooky grade got me thinking ah sorry to argue here but I it's it's the last couple days of the lunar cycle it's actually I don't think it's going to be busy it's going to be all the stuff clicking in says and then we get the new moon over over less than a week off the busy time the Venus actually I don't I don't think it's going to there is we'd contrast yeah of energies there the Mazi Rana's obviously has the moon onside but the Jupiter is joining therein that same period an slightly related but I was thinking earlier today somebody talking about Mercury Scorpio that's like you know we get Mars moving in we get the urine his opposition to Mars we get mercury direct and then we get the new and then the Sun Ingrid what tends to pick up some of the stock -ness of the mercury retrograde like the hangover and just helps clear that what will get things moving and it's like stat yeah go ahead as that writer adage you kill your little darlings way your you've got to kill off some of what you're doing Gopro has this very almost obsessive singlemindedness yeah it's really it's the Moore's has to domiciles right there's and mercury being direct as this maserati stuff is happening in the moon's there the mood of course is gonna Passover Mercury for the first time since it station directs always find damn that nineteen th through the twenty fourth a lot of things Holiday Inn yeah the there's shift into drive there and so the point yeah then we've got a new moon day and a half later so there's a big reset lighten nineteen through twenty fifth twenty sixth then but it's not co-president so I feel like that's off limits Mars Lebron most the time Christians to add to what you were saying before around in how they communicate or how mercury in Scorpio communicates with the premise being that mercury represents communication and they said something about silence which makes me think of Austin's Ninja analogy and the idea of like assassins moving in silence but mercury inscriptions noise just silence but can also just be if you were to describe up differently it's definitely that sobering end of you kind of qualitative change in the sky that we've kind of been hinting at it was a former general in the Iraq campaign was that guy's name Oh portrayals yes raves yeah so with mercury going retrograde and Scorpion November we might see some of that stuff looks through the water signs are mute so that idea of the non spokane message is definitely Mercury School Pr Yes the wink the handshake yeah the feeling the top direct the Venus Jupiter conjunction and then eventually being the start yeah Venus changes signs and moves into Capricorn cooling it makes me think of like those spy drops where you would have to leave it in the package at certain time under the newspaper November twenty sixth twenty fifth it's yeah and then the new moon on the twenty six in savage okay four degrees of Sagittarius Newman in the the The message in the song will whatever yeah yeah yeah so okay Mercury stations uh-huh Marsden Scorpio Venus cap we're GONNA have for several weeks after after this new moon so this new moon you know sets and sort of previewing up until this point that once it goes into cap I think she's then starting a trend of Jupiter it's going to follow and then we're like back down and they were passing secret messages through email drafts or something yes they were putting emails in the draft folder and they could both log in the Sylvian the techs Chad says everybody used signal and whatsapp not actually reminds me there's like a few years back when what was it was like Saturn it was I remember he had Saturn in libra and that's all and Mars encounter okay I just remembered I thought as the Saturn Scorpio thing but anyways which is much moreover or overt and like we the mega fired with a megaphone verses like passing a secret message or like a note yet thing or a message secretly and subtly verses like Loris Food Yeah like encoded versus Mars Union areas during the new moon is what we're going to have for a while except for the jupiters going to move into cap a week after this but that Mercury and surge in secretaries grid so that's another shift that's taking place so right after all of that stuff then basically we get some major shifts happening without Lou nation and with Venus changing signs yeah yeah then so and then what we have the chart that we have the Scorpio transit there's a good mercury retrograde in Scorpio and like the head of the CIA at the time got caught remember that he was having an affair or something ask conjunction of the moon enshrined Saj and it's you know when it's on a Thursday yeah and so it's really the ground earth's it's the word I keep getting his sobering like the reality sets in the pod Ivar the clean up or now you delete them with something which is funny because unlike the least Kovac for like the head of the CIA to be doing that was I mean it is basically moon separating from Venus and applying to sex towel Mars Scorpio and then eventually after that later in the evening starts else is gonNA come by and pick it up and hope they know your code or maybe I've watched too many like nine hundred fifty spy movies though some seek it's the secret handshake yes that's GonNa be all capricorn all the time Sir this is interesting though this last week of November we get Venus Jupiter and Saj than we get the moon with Jupiter and sad being fun so if we look at American thanksgiving which we should look at that shot right it's the twenty eighth rate and so it's literally the moon's it's or live on the East Coast Yeah Oh and of course yeah some commentary about the drinks kicking in later in the day from Kate at least there's the Venus conjunction actually but then we're onto the south node eating Garzon all day right really a pretty beautiful thanksgiving chart like the loss terrar- of Jupiter inside with the Moon there yeah 'cause Jupiter's gone in less than a week or and the truth comes out I do think it's fun to look at the astrology of those big celebrations just to see it'll these big promises and plans with Venus Jupiter and Saj now you have to deliver follow through I work has to be done so i WanNa make one I noticed ah election lecturer 'cause that's like the last major Jupiter and Saj election or that that you know maybe one or two others later in the month the I don't want to be a Debbie Downer for Thanksgiving but I'm going to add something that's you know when people say I don't want to pay this thing and you like you know exactly they're going to be that thing on but gone to cap it moves in on the second already it looks like it's very fast the very beginning of December and that's it for Jupiter and savage you like it is literally going out with a bang yeah this is the last of it so that's another good reason to take advantage of that twin that's building on the Wednesday night which is when everyone's often traveling to right yeah yeah people are going to be where they in conjunction with Saturn and the Sun will set the sunsetting earlier at that point year so leader later on that day it's actually more excellent point retrograde Mars must move months sexually you know how things but the mood might be basically yeah Um and it's not connected almost anything especially but any last thoughts or final words about the astrology of November before we hang out and chat about some other astrological topics in the second part of the show so what was men's swore off masturbating for the month for Scorpio Month I did not hear et I'm well I'll send you some links like for you can't use it again for eleven twelve years yeah yeah I mean they'll be trumpeter in Pisces and a couple of years but you know you can't you can't just code in the first or tenth and it's not you know the juice isn't worth the squeeze there will no and then in the other half of the you've got Mas at an angle to that which is that's going to be truly glorious sure so that pretty much brings state end of November then right yeah you say about that since this is like a decade-long transit that we've already been dealing with for a while yeah I mean that means you does look really nice they're gonNa be where they're going to wake up on Thursday morning on Wednesday night Wednesday night yup maybe it's the maybe it's the the the eve Thanksgiving Eve Neptune is also stationing directs basically at the same time Oh yeah that's twenty cents so neptune stationing directs at fifteen degrees. Let's look at it Chris we show place Thursday eleven am Omagh does go really early right yeah there's an acronym for that that I can't remember right now is in there's also last year wasn't there a thing there was no fat November where a number of stick Jupiter in the tenth through the first in two thousand twenty at all because then are you're also sticking Saturn and Pluto and for half of the year the South the Ninja reference. I want that Hashtag Again Austin what did you say a someone in the comments I'm sorry I can't remember your name November cultures and religions to think about transition and in some ideas it's actually the start of the year rather than I mean in the but yeah like you don't have that with June now no nobody's got like ten different things yeah no nut November that's it sorry time how dare you call Christ's birthday insignificant when did I do that that's what our that's what our calendar GonNa be which is that yeah I think that's a really good point about November is that in the northern hemisphere where the overwhelming give me another topic so that we can have different segue anything well I was trying to summarize the November staff like the three please go on Mercury in school thank you Christina but like people don't do that with may now there are like ten different protocols that people get into is that this is deliberations yeah cue word a title for this episode yeah anyone who wants to throw out any like why it's funny that that I yeah but but November will probably because they're doing too much but our moon Saturn applying that anything just be interesting to have been having breakfast to the family thing in the morning maybe knowing that whereas I don't know you know Gemini Energy in June is not so good for fix fixating on Jordy of the human lives it's a time of transition in death on then so letting go of something making major change him I think with with mercury being retrograde for so much of the month people may experience more vacillation love is Eden I carry in a little trying to it yeah so I don't know that's not huge not that significant I'm not sure what kind of non religious world we celebrate news on the first of January but in most religious spiritual traditions New Year's happens at some other slightly more relevant or energetically significant periods All Saints Day at the end of October November the one of these things it's historically it's such a pivotal time in a number of different into November Ninja are member why does November gets so many nicknames like there's like like Mova I short concise titles in the chat let's No there is something I mean as soon as you said that Austin like why does November have all these things I was thinking about the Halloween opr with Mas Scorpio. Enjoy some good times gopher the excitement Venus with Jupiter and Saj I never have the flash that it's you know that Scorpio Energy is good for obsession ray gift set on like I'm definitely doing this or definitely not doing in this instance with the Marjiana's for starting at off it might be something that still proceeds from decisive action or sudden impulse to want to make talk about stuff we do have to usually senses the midway point in the transition point we usually that's when we throw in talking about the news and what we have oh I did see hints of this on Social Media I'm very excited for that it's good it's one of the four royals it's okay transition or like you know what I'm going to start doing this now and I'm going to stop doing this now makes a lot of sense and as I think some I think I saw a comment really funny because this is about to be our segue in our sponsor segments again I told you I had some more for you okay Oh gosh that's so funny then of thirty-six faces and the Aldebaran series which I elected earlier this year will be released through sphere and century cast for November so this experiment was interesting because we did an hour and a half forecast so now in our usual two hour episode we'd have about thirty minutes to is Sunday November twenty four if you feel like braving mas you're on us but enjoying Venus Jupiter teaching a full day training on aspects in bold we sort of accidental ended up with it in accidentally but it's not wedding chart oh it's good you will own many productive minds into agricultural a Webinar on the rules of the houses it's a bit of a beginning a look at how we do that in traditional astrology just using very simple the planet on the sign on the customer yeah it's a it's the the the fire of the builder I would say I quite like that one l. on Yeah Yeah we the moon is with savage but I think it's quite early in the morning with is is with Jupiter and Saturn it's quite early in the morning because later in the Diet does go into cap will let he is you know in the night when I say like accidentally Yes yes it is is abundant red energy but it's it's not it's not Mars it's interesting are house and that webinars now for sale on my website that's it for me what about you Austin will be hard at work on finishing up the second edition right to get people into the fixed ause yeah they're gooden's their gooden's so when's that coming out you have a launch date or is that I think kate is launching on and the sign up for its on the event page on my website but it's also Omni Soldier University website so if anybody's interested in that I also recently taught somewhat relevant so child labor I thought I thought better of you Kelly you go to child in in their you know in whatever their pledges are my WanNa delay whatever going on to has have anything you wanted to mention you have coming up this month or that you're launching classes or anything like that I'll mention my workshop in Baldo which is Louis livestream the forecast episodes but we're going to be here in person some to be scrambling over the next few weeks to figure that out and figure out how to be able to bring our live audience in fields destig- own I'm not saying that like own minds but given that my husband and I both have jobs in education that's probably let's see what else I'm trying to decide if we're going to do posters this year we are finalizing the designs for them but it's kind of a logistical nightmare getting those out east this year where we pick out one election chart for each month and then sort of launched that as a sort of the video audio podcast and written report the you can purchase for reasonable price and let's see the only other thing is our sponsor again this month is the honeycomb collective personal astronauts oaths you're gonNA take until Mercury's direct in Mars Scorpio yeah later in the moon somebody somebody suggested ranch right it's anchored to but I think you're totally know that Jimmy because of the Christian Christmas thing the Catholic faith Christmas is not the most important celebration Easter a year and it may be a little late to get them on Amazon so if anybody has any ideas about poster fulfillment and figuring out how to work yeah that's Nice yes confirmed fourteenth fourteenth two thirty PM Pacific I'm guessing yes PD ALMANAC and it seemed like a ton of people actually got this last month after mentioning on last month's episode I know Kelly you ordered one and you slay unless you're going to relocate your wedding to like five years later because we just happened to get married the year Jupiter was on Aldebaran beautiful we put the moon applying number I think where people grow mustaches there's like isn't there like like try to write a novel and a thing national novel writing in a month actually that's coming up next time actually closer to nine months because it's early twenty twenty one as well yeah we are getting way ahead of us yeah the nice one option Yeah Yeah Okay all right well that might be the perfect time or whatever and that's it but this is not just mundane transit's these are actually transit's customized to your actual birth chart so into Jupiter for that that's awesome so I'm excited for you guys to give us some juicy style and for people to learn more about the royal stars I mean it's and time and location which is unique compared to most things because usually it's like you buy one of those planners and it just set to like eastern time up with so you have a copy of your chart that's at the beginning and there's this Kuito Chord Diagram that shows up at the bottom of page five as usual of patrons while his join us for these episodes there's almost seventy five people have been joining us here for this one today which is awesome in Grace Yeah November fourteenth I could be wrong but now is the case because the moon will be there then yeah yeah says which ones are GonNa get hit later so I have pluto at like two degrees of Scorpio so usually that's one of the first planets that gets activated when aspects over like agrees My mid heavens at five Sagittarius Chiron Jupiter around nine ten Scorpio so there's just cooled resigned things like that that show things and make things easier especially for students of astrology one of the things I've been working with the most though is let's see the orange indicates the the planet is retrograde the black indicates that it's applying and then a vertical transit's it's GonNa make a great gift idea coming into the holidays yeah let's see gifts so a system for getting those out still let me know Lisa and I are also GonNa work on our Alexis Noel report for the entire year head because that went so well last year that we're going to do it again let's see shorter-term inner planet transits once you go to individual months so at the beginning it gives you long-term transit's but then when you go to the monthly view which transits are going to be going exact which planets are applying or separating during different months so reasonably priced print on demand thing that's customized each person because you can choose like your Zodiac your house system and a bunch of other customize stuff not just showing it for some random time zone that's like you have to do conversions for but actually tells you when it goes exact in your current city as well as Lubbock were meagreness and then he hasn't becoming out here for a week in November were still trying to figure out how we can livestream that because he the visual design that they have for displaying what transits are happening and at the beginning of the booklet they have this long-term sort of transit calendar that shows breath well I know that but I think you're ignoring our Lord's birthday I want to go back to the point to your it does the long term one but then it also has a calendar that shows you when the transit's go exact the exact time set to your locations you can pick what city you said it too so it's down at shows you the inner planet transits that are much quicker and go exact and often unless the planet goes retrograde it's one time hit versus the Outer Planet Transit Suffer Denver so tells you exactly when the planets are making those stations or changing signs based on your actual city and location where it shows what degrees and the sort of progression of degree is of all of your planetary placements you know which ones are going to get hit earlier all little tick line indicates the exact date that the transit goes exact so that's something kind of useful for people like us that are following long-term Outer Planet then one of the cool things is that it's put together by an astrologer and professional graphic designer and there's a lot of interesting design decisions that they came the whatever it's fantastic yes I think you're GonNa like that the most so this is the honeycomb collective personal astronauts mode of communication it would be like whispering or you know what is the related like term of like whispering but also passing some even from where you're the one who is like mine's Oh we've got kids got an army army of children no I meant like just sharing ideas what should be out there for such a long time and I'm so glad they've done such a great job with the quality of it yeah and I actually genuinely don't know how what how they're doing that to do it's that are more sort of long-term cycles and then finally the favorite part that I know you're GonNa Love Kelly is the FM as the personalized EPHEMERA S- that is at the end of the book yeah that's a that's a remarkable value is going to be a really great teaching tool for people who are learning astrology because what better than have the one on the way Indiana haven't got mine yet but I'm very excited yes I just wanted to show features because I mentioned it this is a and this is really cool because it gives you again it's just an amorous but it gives you the time zone set for your actual city and location so I had this pdf actually of minds that comes with your son Moon and rising on the cover and what's weird about or what's cool about is it's completely personally customized to your birth date oh I think that's amazing because the just takes out the need to convert and like I not because obviously the standard these types of Ephemera says just to midnight and almanacs and you can find out more information or you can order one at honeycomb dot co and we'll have some links to other stuff they I think they're going to be producing some videos they thought it would be like one hundred and thirty dollars but it's not it's twenty twenty bucks yeah like thirty five or something it's really impressive six it's isn't it it's phenomenal one of the things I was gonna say honestly it's like they've they've obviously created the right technology to do this and this is something that I've just they are literally flying all the way out here to talk about slows not going very well prepared Chris we're very enthusiastic and excited it in such an affordable way it's quite amazing yeah I'll look on the full moon and the new Moon Mason Electron says they thought introduced it last night is this month to show people how to use it since there's a lot of people that have it now and want to make sure that they like fully know how to get the most out of it and now thanks I'm very excited about the pod just that it's got your own trends it's like it's your Dari and it says today the moon is doing something to a mile mazas doing something to take your time no way so the attempt to make sustained efforts to make changes in ones life although age so you do have to mentally adjust I know there's some comments going on about how people thought it would be really expensive based on how detailed on the quality but it is students follow some of those personal planet transit so you can understand what something in your tenth house means if you know what mas they Maine's or how that stirs being something that's telling you this is what is happening in your this day or this week and then you can start to correlate how your chart response always say that idea something that is opposite to something someone else so that kind of represents the quality of planet being opposite somewhere it would prefer cooperation between two things a figure of speech in which an opposition or contrast of ideas expressed by parallelism parallelism of words that are the opposite of or strongly contrast with each other such as hatred stirs up strife but love covers all sends is isn't that good like I'm really for news and announcements other than that let's talk about just some topics so usually we do the topics at the beginning but let's maybe do it now October the term as looking something up and realized that the term antithesis is actually almost a perfect translation of the original Greek term eh think it's perfect yeah I I believe I I shared a re shared it on twitter and I just said perfect because it's perfect it's the antithesis verses war love vs hate fighting versus friendship and so on and so forth I mean part of the definition of antithesis has that one of them is a follow up to last month's discussion about the term detriment I think I realized this after the fact but I realized at one point early and the other translation was from a Latin translation that one of the translators used which is adversity which describes another part of the original additionally and that's opposite to Torres which was ruled by Venus and Venus and Mars both have very antithetical significative of like you know peace the have your own house like a block over to sleep been and hang out in next month when you're Denver Yeah Yeah May yes so the goal definitions says a person or thing that is the direct opposite of someone or something else a contrast a planet being in its exile because it's the sign that's literally the furthest away from its home sign as you can get because it's opposite to the planet's domicile concept underlying detriment is the idea that the planet being in the sign of his adversity but I realized this month that actually the term antithesis is really close to the original four that was originally used to refer to a planet in its detriment and I'm really kicking myself because I have this whole like extended discussion it that has opposing or contrary or and thankful signification ends so you know we're talking about Scorpio a lot which is ruled by Mars out trying to come up with a translation of the Greek term and there was just like to that kind of conveyed different parts of it one of them was exile the the antithesis the counter statement in the dialogue is well you know fighting stuff breaks things and and it's important to not break your things opposite to its domicile being in the sign of its antithesis and part of the reason that it's it's into this is because obviously that sign opposite to it is ruled by a plan it'll be great it's good while he brought us the basement of yeah no it's fantastic art so I think Chris bought us a house we're never allowed to leave podcast coming out we'll see how it goes week word and had been searching for a better translation for a while and I think that's actually it what do you think about that as term for a planet being in the sign us you know the the planet in the sign is the thesis might Mars Bill is like well how about we fight some stuff and then and so the dialogue begins I mean it's it's perfect yeah yeah so yeah I think it's something to think about anyway exciting stuff check it out or they're going to help us sponsor covering part of his room and board next month when we fly to Denver and you guys it's also not as like doom and gloom as detriment or even adversity which I liked because it was slightly less negative in its in locations and even though there it's carries the conveys the idea that there's some sort of challenge that comes up but understanding I think it gets more to the route conceptually of what the actual challenge is when a planet is in the sign opposite to its domicile which is that it's struggling to function in an quite literally a tempt to invalidate its thesis or negative yes and then you know the the nature of that challenge of look king had the way the term is used in like a dialogue rate is there's the thesis which is the about this there's the antithesis which is or detriment or exile right if you have Mars in libra you have to figure out a way to Mars that includes the newseum priorities of of Libra Oh to stay with the includes what is true about both statements and a third statement which is you know kind of what you need to do if you have a planet in its antithesis as though will help out the you know how here's the counter statement how about not that and then dialogue is supposed to move onto synthesis right which includes environment and in surroundings that are literally the opposite of what it's most us to or or what its most accustomed to yet or that significance to work with that come naturally or easy to it and it has to learn how to deal with and still make the best of that which so I think I think it's just structurally correct right and it doesn't mean that you can't the planet can't be functional in the surroundings it just means that it's not being given evolved and you have to get out using like an avocado a snorkel and lake right like a toothpick Philip Ways to use that create creatively in the way that still effective in accomplishing things. Well you have to take on an unorthodox that's exactly it and then you have to think incredibly you know out of your normal patent and you may or may not be capable of doing that basically ah or at least it's GonNa take a long time sometimes before you might may be something that you start off in your more uncomfortable with early in life but sometimes later on you divide approach that looking to that planet action yeah I'd be effective an does come down then to the ruler of the planet because you have to do a job but without usual tools and I mean the word that the concept I don't know you guys are familiar with that show macgyver that used to be on the uh-huh so we sort of became a bit of a slang whether it was just my family or social group it was like you just have to macgyver you just have to line but do fine but oftentimes in those instances like the planet will have reception with its domicile Lord and those will be the people who have the planet and let let's say veteran is opposite the opposite of what it's bits used to yeah it's having to do something and it it's almost having to do something in a way where you have to get a bit creative or innovative he is in detriment exile or antithesis whether there is getting that helpful support or whether it's just GonNa take a long time user beyond also talks about it print than how the planet might otherwise manifest naturally yeah well and it's you can't as we say Most of those critiques see for a living like you know than Venus is only relevant in certain areas right whereas you know if you mercury for a living if that's what you WANNA do betray a complete lack of understanding of how essential dignity is supposed to work if you're doing essential dignity right it's not that she mars in Torres which is the sign of its antithesis and so- worth noting that the ruler Venus was angular Venus ruled Mars have you ever seen Ali fight relative to everybody else in his era he's pretty he's Danson he's like you know there's but those planetary spheres are not something that we care about a lot like let's say you gotta you gotTa Great Mercury and Venus is not so good but you mercury and if you come into a slugging match with the idea with your first priority of I'm going to be pretty then you're probably focus on grace and fluidity on that literally no one else in his era Displayed its Venus ruled Mars Right Synthesis and I love that the antithesis bags for synthesis so I really like that definitely do you have any like give planets having dignity Tbilisi and certain signs by pointing to examples where you know certain people have that planet in a supposedly debilitated going to lose but that's an thankful to the you know the priority there which is to beat and not be beaten but with enough support there's some challenges to mercury mercury in antiethical sign then you're going to spend the time you know to bother you're going to spend the time Gemini and Mercury does make an exact degree based aspect to the MC if I'm remembering this correctly and what she does she eh but still are able to find effective or perfectly useful way to manifest that placement that works out well for them even though it's unique or sort of yeah because I think that makes a huge difference in all cases I've seen I think is the missing thing when people sometimes try to judge this concept like I noticed sometimes like modern astrologers will try to reject the also think can help a planet that's in detriment and Jupiter it's ruler makes a sign based position Jupiter is also in detriment in that shot in I am energy etc you see that raise to a higher level right you see the the newseum quality of that reconciled with the -mercial priorities like that's the Hamad Ali as an example whose vary you know a one of the most well known boxers in existence who had a Mars in capricorn fear of doing because she's a great example of doing the mercury but in a way that has led to some really productive outcomes sampled one bothers to spend the energy necessary to figure out how to excel because as we have like planets that aren't in great positions. Oh you do I I think I actually have an example right now I'm just looking at up of support and that is an area of life that a person these very long discussions where he'll be talking about a topic and then bring up like another topic and then they'll be like a twenty minute digression Ed if you like the detriment placement to look at wokers wrong with thinking patents and she's applied some of the mercury things like research and what have you somebody with Mars in aries is always super good at all of the Mars things if it is in the twelfth and if it's not a that's not what it means but additional planets and what I throughout based on survey Hellenistic thing was son son as mind moon his body even bother to figuring out your own way of doing things or an unusual way of doing things so yeah I was just GonNa say I was going to use successful way I mean she has a tedtalk that's like the top five Ted talks of all times so yeah I'm not sure people are familiar with her work but it's he instead of focusing in on the details and the little things he's like a very big picture type guy and he also has the tendency to go on instead of focusing in on the little details fantastic been there for some of those yeah definitely are it so when we assume things that are not true to be true how that interferes with our relationships and our success in our happiness in life so she's using Eh Mercury as speaking Venus Love Mars Fight Jupiter grow and Saturn consol except digression is usually like very charming and interesting and everyone's very fascinated by this long journey that you go through during the course of the talk via the digression yeah and in Greek I was thinking of the signification of news which Vallon signs to the sun and that is sometimes that was my one topic there's another topic that came up recently let's see about what signifies the translated his mind and the moon is often just transit imbalances the body but yeah brought up an interesting the planet and detriment examples that come to mind kill it I mean the one that pops into my mind right away it's Brennan Brown who has mercury and sad the date I thought those were all defensible signification although some the feedback I got was funny because there was some people really objected to that in terms of what in the chart writes in

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Federal Workers Poised To Get 12 Weeks Paid Parental Leave

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03:16 min | 8 months ago

Federal Workers Poised To Get 12 Weeks Paid Parental Leave

"Twelve weeks of paid parental leave. That's the new benefit about two million. Federal workers are on the cusp of getting thanks to a landmark proposal. Making its way through Congress. The House passed the measure. edger today. And it's part of a proposal expected to pass the Senate and eventually become law. NPR's Yuki Noguchi reports on what this means for workers. When her son was born? Four months ago Becky Williams cobbled together. Whatever leaves she could certain amount of annually amount of sick leave? Perhaps we could get a little bit of we donated Through like a leave big or something but at least in our particular situation leave without pay was not an option Williams works as an analyst for the US State Department. She got just three weeks weeks off not nearly enough time to spend with her new baby. You definitely rely a lot on the videos and the pictures but now for the first time. Federal workers could qualify for three months off after the birth or adoption of a child that I did it you could be at home for twelve weeks would be a real game changer. I think for people myself included paid paid leave. Policies have rapidly expanded in recent years. Many companies Sweden there leave benefits to recruit and retain workers also eight states and the District of Columbia have passed laws requiring many employers to offer pay leave not just for new parents but also for sick and elderly care such measures poll oh well. Among voters and Garner rare bipartisan support including from the trump administration the estimated cost of the new measure is about three billion dollars Sherri really want is co-president of a better balance worker advocacy group. She says that's support comes in part out of recognition that the need for leave touches nearly every worker. The people have been working towards this for years and years and years but advocates likely want want to see national paid leave policies extend to every worker after all federal employees make up a small fraction of the overall workforce and pay leave remains relatively uncommon fewer than one in five workers. I have it. It's even more rare among low wage workers. Also this latest congressional proposal would not allow federal employees to use the twelve weeks to care for elderly thoroughly parents or to get a surgical procedure for example and Becky Williams. The State Department worker argues people need leave for any number of reasons. She wishes Che's she had leave when another child. A baby passed away three years ago. The unexpected loss of a child. The last thing you want to deal with HR but in the coming thing because there's no extended bereavement or leave for bereavement. Wendy Chun Hoon is CO director at family values at work she says policy makers should look at why people take unpaid leave under the family and medical leave. Act What we know from that experience. Is that seventy five percent of leave. Takers take leave. Need leave for reasons other then new childcare to an Hoon says she expects state legislatures to continue to push for broader paid family leave laws which in turn will keep the pressure on the. US Is Congress. Now the country is a really you know big and important conversation about national policy to provide paid family and medical leave for the entire workforce forced. That's not a question of if she says but of when you can Gucci N._p._R.. News Washington.

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Pet Adoption During Coronavirus; Frontline Nurses Protest For Better Protections

Here & Now

42:56 min | 4 months ago

Pet Adoption During Coronavirus; Frontline Nurses Protest For Better Protections

"From NPR and WB YOU are. I'm Tanya Moseley. I'm Robin Young. It's here and now if the. Us economy is a boxer. It just received another staggering blow. The Labor Department says another point. Six million people filed for first time unemployment last week that means nearly ten percent of the. Us workforce has been knocked out in just three weeks. Npr business correspondent. Jim Zarroli has a quick look and Jim has the. Us economy ever experienced anything like this. Well we certainly haven't seen anything. This sudden just remember six weeks ago. We had what looked like a pretty strong jobs market and now it's basically collapsing. I mean it didn't even happen this fast. During the Great Depression we have seen about seventeen million people file for unemployment in just the past. Three weeks are lost jobs where we're just seen a flood of people going to unemployment offices and filing for unemployment even temporary and Gig workers and the state unemployment offices are getting swamped. A lot of them can't handle the crush of applicants. Well the CDC came out with new guidelines forgetting a central workers who've been exposed to cove in one thousand nine back on the job they can have symptoms have to wear masks take their temperatures every day and the Federal Reserve is promising to inject another two point three trillion dollars into the economy to prop up businesses. But do you think we're GONNA see these huge new unemployment numbers over the next few weeks You know I I. It's hard to say if you WANNA find a silver lining you can look at certainly at the fact that the unemployment claims were actually a bit lower the last week the week before. Unfortunately we still have a lot of people losing jobs. Certainly the Federal Reserve is trying desperately to keep the economy going Today at announce new programs today to keep credit flowing to businesses in small governments. Congress has passed. This big rescue package seems likely to pass another one but the situation is still bad. We'll take a closer look over the course of the program. Npr business correspondent. Jim Zarroli. Thank you you're welcome. Nurses throughout the country are protesting a lack of protections for treating patients with cove at nineteen and many nurses themselves have gotten sick here in California. The State Department of Health is reporting that more than sixteen hundred. Healthcare workers have tested positive. Let's bring ends any Cortez. Co-president of national nurses united the largest union of registered nurses in the country. She's also a nurse at Kaiser. Permanente South San Francisco Medical Center. It's any welcome. Thank you thank you for having me. I know this is your day off. So we appreciate you taking the time We've been hearing for weeks now about nurses concerned that they don't have enough personal protective equipment or p. p. e. as it's called how much have conditions improved as gone further along in this crisis What we are being given our sub level P. P. E. You know the kind. I'm sorry if I if I'm Breaking up because I am so emotional about this because in my forty years of nursing. This is the first time I'm seeing this and it's really breaking my heart. So that equipped the gear that they're giving us is not what's up to the standards and so some areas of the hospitals would have some degree of protection but it's not what's needed in order to protect the patients and to protect us and it's Kinda hindering us from giving the best care possible because we have a lot of fear and when when we take of the patients because we know that in some little form we will be exposed and become infected but we go ahead and do our jobs because that's what we signed up for. We've been hearing that nurses in some cases are also not getting enough training to do their jobs. Are you hearing that as well? And what training is needed? Okay so in order for one to do the proper donning and buffing which is putting on the gear and taking off the gear. You need to have the practice and so in my case. I had to beg the unit director to give us the training but I don't think that we have to beg in order to get that training. Yeah that speaks to actually what you're asking for. I mean you also worry about nurses who have been assigned to care for both covert and noncovic patients even before this pandemic though you were advocating for safer nurse to patient ratios. What are you asking for really from our state and federal government. Assist you and your job right now. You are on the front lines so what we are asking. The People empower people who'll big decisions over the hospital industry is that they need to have stricter guidelines to protect us the frontline workers because what they're doing is they're listening to the dictates of the hospital administrators. Who are not really watching out for our behalf. And so we are begging the governor in all the agencies to give strict specific guidelines so we will be protected in our patients will be safe. Then Cortez is co-president of national nurses united the largest union of registered nurses in the country. She's also a nurse in the San Francisco Bay area. Xeni thank you so much for your time and thank you for your work. Thank you for having me well to on China now. The city of eleven million where the cove nineteen outbreak started and a seventy six day lockdown is slowly being lifted people who came to volunteer others. Who were stuck there on holiday or finally leaving impairs Emily Fang. Is there so emily? What's the feeling there's definitely a sense of relief and celebration? People had been looking forward to this day not so much because they could leave because it was symbolic it meant that. China had made a significant step forward in containing the outbreak of the new corona virus. Here and it was a moment to celebrate people who I talked to relieving by plane and train yesterday after seventy six days trapped in one city where joyful but they also felt bittersweet some of them shed tears they felt like they had gone through a really emotionally traumatic experience and they said that so many people had died. Sony people had suffered people have been slow the allowed to leave their apartments over the last few weeks. If you're complex has no recent infected cases you have to scan a government-sanctioned APP when you leave and reenter where you live to show that you've had no recent contact with infected patients or been to another area of the city where there is a high cluster of infections and many people said they're still limited to two hours at a time outside of their complexes. Will you mentioned this APP? This is people have to present these government-sanctioned phone APPs that tell their addresses their medical histories where they've been they have to prove Before they leave that they have not been around. Somebody who's sick yes. It's essentially a digital form of contact. Tracing the interesting thing about these APPs is it's unclear how they produce the result. They do so the user experience. Is You import your identification number? Which is a bit like a social security number? You have to use that when you register for Doctor Appointments when you buy train tickets or travel and then based on that will spit back. A red yellow or green code. Green Code means that you have no abnormal conditions. You have not been in contact with people infected and you should be able to travel go into restaurants freely if you have a yellow code. It means that you have to be a bit careful and you might need to get tested again for the virus and if you've read code you can't leave it. All these codes are now spread over the entire city so even just turning into a street means that you have to scan echo it every time you into a taxi or a convenience store you scan this code for me if I want to leave behind not only do I have to scan code but I have to actually apply for permission to reenter Beijing. These codes are everywhere and the question is will they stay after the outbreak is over. Well I you know and as you reminded us there are still restrictions in place. Authorities are still saying to people. Most of the time we want you at home. Schools are still closed. And I'm wondering you know you talked about the tears and the trauma of watching so many people die. We spoke to a standup comic. Who was not funny at all? You know. He says that he feels that. He has P. T. S. D. Now are you feeling that kind of a psychic wound after effective all this definitely and I think that's why you're not seeing that many people on the streets just yet imagine cooped up for more than two months and being told that if you leave your house you may contract a deadly virus. I went to a couple of popular restaurants in the morning today. People queued up but they made sure that they stood at least a meter away from another without any prompting and many people when they're going out for a stroll walking their dog. They're still going out and full. Goggle mask gloves. Some even go out in these medical protective gowns so people are still really nervous here and they're still clearly morning going on For people who lost loved ones. Yeah that's the most important thing. But what about the economy? We're reading things like you know. There wasn't a single real estate transaction. You know in you know for a month. I mean everything was so shut down. How does it feel economically? It still feels very dead here. A number of critical company so think big multinationals are state owned firms here particularly the auto manufacturing sector which is huge and highly lucrative. They have gone through extensive health screening processes to bring their workers back and they've restarted. We managed to visit the Honda. Dome Phone Joint Venture Factory yesterday. Some stories have been able to reopen. Because they do take out only the flow of customers coming in foot. Traffic is still very low is still an? It's still a city in recovery. It sounds like a NPR's. Emily Fang in Wuhan China. Emily thank you. Please stay safe but thank you so much for your reporting things much for having me on Robin. This message comes from here now sponsor indeed when it comes to hiring. You don't have time to waste. You need help getting to your shortlist of qualified candidates fast. That's why you need indeed dot Com post. A job in minutes set up screener questions then zero in on qualified candidates using an intuitive online dashboard. And when you need to hire fast accelerate your results with sponsor jobs new users can try for free at indeed dot com slash here now terms conditions and quality standards apply offer valid through March. First Twenty twenty. Every day we learn new information about the evolution of this corona virus and its impact on. All of us and with that information comes a lot of questions to help. Answer some of your questions. We have with US Dr. He'd Padillia she's an infectious disease. Physician and the medical director of the Special Pathogens Unit at Boston Medical Center. Dr Welcome. Thank you for having me so doctor. We are hearing staggering number. Seventy percent of the world's population is estimated or likely to get this virus and it's an overwhelming statistic to wrap our heads around but if that's true there any way to get around that are the measures that we're taking actually working things telling you so you know. I think one of the reasons such big numbers are being shared is because we know that this is a brand new virus which means we're all vulnerable until we can create immunity through a vaccine in the in the medium term. I think some of the some of the work that people are looking at is maybe people have been exposed to unfortunately may have been exposed to this have gotten the disease but maybe we're fortunate enough to to get on the other side of it and have immunity from that perspective and we have a question for you about that immunity that. I'll ask you a little bit later. But we've been hearing about this term herd immunity as a way to help slow the rate of this corona virus. What exactly is herd immunity? And how if at all does it actually slow this outbreak? So the term herd immunity. Is this idea that if enough people around you are immune to a disease and that you yourself even if you have not gotten the disease maybe immune to that to that disease because they will not get sick around you and hence they will now be able to pass it to you. It's an interesting concept overall because if we can get hurt immunity from vaccine it's great but if we're depending on a lot of people to get sick you can't have. Everybody gets sick at the same time because would that basically results and is a lot more people presenting to healthcare facilities Occupying and requiring beds in hospitals. I don't think we can talk about her immunity achieving the herd immunity at least in the short term. Look and look at it as something that we see as a gradual build up to enough people get this infection you know at a smaller rate And get to the other side and until the point where we can get a vaccine. I WanNa ask you a little bit more about antibody so the food and Drug Administration approved this new test for corona virus. Antibodies the blood tests shows. If you're immune system has developed corona virus antibodies. Can you explain how this test will work? And if it's even available to anyone right now great. Thanks for asking me that because I think this in my mind the serological tests. The antibody test is an important road in determining a lot of the factors. We just talked about the Sarah serological test or the antibody tests that you mentioned what those do. They're looking for proteins in your body that your body is built in response to this virus if you have an infection your body bills. Antibodies in the short term. There's an antibody called within the first week after exposure after illness starts and then the other is Which is a longer lasting memories and memory of your immune system and so what these tests will do is basically look for people who who have been sick and who have recovered from it. The benefit of business. If you know that you've had it before then what we know from right now is that there's a pretty good chance that at least in the short or medium term. You're you are likely to not get infected again. I see we have a lot of questions from listeners that are about the everyday development of covert at nineteen. This question comes from Giovanni Caldero in New York City who asks what is the recovery time for the corona virus disease wants. Your symptoms already started so great question. It's actually highly variable. As I mentioned we have evidence now that some people Get this season are not symptomatic at all. You know may never know. They got the disease. They're asymptomatic There are others. Who may have a very mild course But we're also noticing. There's a subset of people who for the first week or ten days. We'll have mild symptoms and then could take a turn for the worst later on so all that to say it's a moving target and and the rain is all over the place. This next question is an evolution of this question. It comes from Joshua Sems of Owensboro Kentucky he wants to know. Should you catch cove at nineteen and recover? Is it still dangerous for you to be around others? Can you catch it again or spread it again so for in terms of immunity? What we know is that for other viruses that are like Cova ASARCO V two. Which is the virus that causes coded Nineteen People when they get this infection when they're when they're on the other side of it they do have pretty good immunity at least against this virus. But it's not lifelong immunity in those cases. People have it for you know between a year or two years at the maximum. Have those proteins but the number the amount of those proteins decrease over time with his this current disease? What we know is that you develop these antibodies. We know animal models that you know what when an animal is recovered from the re-challenge shredded. That's the study we can't do in humans at Glee. We can't reinfect them. We don't want to But in animal studies. What does a shown is basically that most of those animals are all those animals seem to be immune to a second second impact from this from this infection so maintaining a physical distance and still having good etiquette hand hygiene and other things allows those people who are immune who are out in the community not to not serve as the conduit through which to people who you know between two people one who's sick and one who's immune they're not being the conduit in which they carry the virus from the person of sick to the person who's not sick. The president has been endorsing the use of this lupus medication to treat covert nineteen. Dr Anthony Fauci says that more studies need to be done. Can you tell us more about this drug so the trouble with hydrochloric and has the same trouble that I've seen I've been at the forefront of multiple outbreaks at this point and I was part of the couple of different responses in west Africa and then in Central Africa in that? There's another disease this so severe the trouble though is that without good randomized controlled trial and and another space You know we can never prove of the disease efficacious because we're not sort of controlling for the effect of the drug of against some Everything else so. The data rate now is is really quite mixed on drugs chloroquine. There's some studies that show that there is evidence particularly. Maybe even early on in the disease decrease the viral load other studies completely negate that finding but currently there is not enough evidence to say that this is a slam dunk or this is This is potentially saving people's lives and that's an important ethical question because you know what we don't want to do is put blinders on to find out what is truly efficacious by focusing on just one thing that's Dr Ni he'd but Dahlia she's an infectious disease physician and the medical director of the Special Pathogens Unit at Boston Medical Center. Thank you so much for taking the time and answering some of our questions. Thank you for having me well. Thousands of Thailand's iconic elephants are feeling the of this pandemic. The country's tourism industry has all but dried up. People aren't visiting. And that's putting elephants at risk reporter. Michael Sullivan has the story is down. The maytag often camp is one of the largest in northern Thailand. And on a good day my guide explains it gets about a thousand visitors a day today is not a good day one two three four five six seven eight nine fourteen from thousand people when things got worse just a few days later when the government declared a state of emergency and May Tang closed for peach Who runs the family owned? Business says most of the other camps had already shut down by then anyway because of no customers. He says he's going to keep his elephants and stuff on until he can't about five months six months. That's the longest we can last. And that's because keeping elephants feeding elephants and paying for their handlers or Muhammad's isn't cheap laying off. Elephants is like parking planes or tour buses and each quite a lot like two hundred to three hundred kilograms today and that means food for just one elephant can cost roughly a thousand dollars. A month says professor cut short Ram of the center of Elephant Research at Chiang Mai University. If there's no money coming in he worries about how and what. The elephants will eat dissertation. This one probably that they would try to find a low quality would like a poor grassy and enough to that effect will be to the elephant. Heroes for instance like Mao nutrition into three months that we see Lucy field. Who runs an ethically sustainable tour company called trunk is frustrated? Having heard that out of work elephants are already being warehoused in the north. Why me too me. Too Long chains tied up for days on end. You know who's GonNa feed them? This is going to get a lot worse before it gets better. John Roberts director of elephants for the Golden Triangle. Asian Elephant Foundation says. He's already hearing of elephants begging on the streets in some cities like they used to do in Bangkok over a decade ago. No one wants to see that again. He says but what the corona crisis showing no sign of ending. He says government intervention is needed within six months. Or we can see Edison's in really bad places and possibly compromising their health to such an extent they die. That won't happen here. That the Golden Triangle Camping Chiang Rai Robert says where the elephants can supplement their diet. Foraging in the jungle. One of the camps elephants is doing just that gnawing on a bamboo tree as I speak the camp vet. Nisa mccutcheon on. She's worried mostly about the elephants. Not The virus but she's banking on the people's reverence for elephants. In general I still feel I could believe in people that owns the elephant that they care enough to be failed at it. They the elephants are part of the family. So I don't think they will let the elephants star or maybe they'll start together with the elephant hopefully neither for NPR news. I'm Michael Sullivan Pushing. Ron. We're heading into another weekend without sports. There should be baseball hockey basketball. The Masters Golf Tournament teed off today but of course cove in nineteen cancelled. It all still. We like to talk to Mike Pesca. So we're going to talk sports anyway. Mike Pesca is here now so sports analyst. He hosts a daily podcast. The gist at slate. Dot Com Mike. How's the macro may going good crafting projects? Yeah I'm doing scrapbooking. This is the new sports as you know. President Trump held a conference call with a lot of the sports commissioners last Saturday. And here's what he said after that call they. WanNa get back. They gotta get back. Can't do this. This sports weren't designed for the whole concept of our nation wasn't designed for. We're going to get back. We want to get back soon. Well of course everybody wants to but that's not really a reality. Is it Mike? No it's not and as with not just sports but the economy as a whole he talked about certain dates Easter and then later said that this was aspirational. I can't see those statements is being anything other than aspirational and when members of the media got in touch with the unions of the players involved. So it's nice to talk to owners but of course the players who play sports all the unions were extremely sceptical about this actually happening. Because they're worried about the health of their own members their members families and the public large wipe out an entire arena fans But what about the plan being discussed for baseball it will be a quarantine for all thirty teams? They'd go to the Phoenix area. They'd be quarantined there. And then have the games an empty ballpark's but they'd be televised. What's has that sounding? Yeah this is a plan that maybe when you first hear it because the cactus league or that version of spring training there is a lot of stadiums where stadio where you could play the Games. Of course you don't even need stadia. No fans area. You just play on any ballpark with decent dimensions. So it seems that I. Maybe this is just crazy enough to work but upon closer inspection. It seems like it's just crazy. First of all three thousand players that would be players and team officials you know. How do you guarantee that quaranteed would work in that one or two people don't get exposed and then spread it to everyone else and the other part is money so players would want to do this if they got full pay but owners off the record talking to journalists have said well we're not gonNA pay them their full salary where we wouldn't be getting forty percent of our income which is roughly the amount they get from selling tickets and in stadium cells and so forth? It's not all the TV money. There seems to be so many just question. Marks are questionable details of this plan. I can't possibly see it working. It doesn't seem like the players and owners are on the same page to say nothing of the epidemiologists here at this point. More than eight thousand people have died around the world and some might say. Why are we even talking? Yes we like Mike Pesca but why even spend time on it and I would think that one of the answers would be. Sports has something to do with the human spirit. You know the red SOx playing after the Boston bombing you know has something to do with symbolizing for everybody that we can get back up your the. It's the greatest expression of community. There is and we touch each other more. At a sporting event than any kind of event we go to and I just saw statistics that since the outbreak there have been eight hundred seventy four televised sports. That have been canceled. I mean that is just a tremendous amount of programming entertainment things to watch nonfiction if you want to look at it that way and it. There's a huge hole in the national consciousness without sports and the last thing is when they closed down the NBA. That's when it made it real for a lot of people and I think more is coming back. We'll make real that. You know maybe we've turned the corner on the help people stay home. Mike Pesca here now sports analyst. Thanks as always. You're welcome and the corona virus has torn through parts of the Midwest in places like Chicago and Detroit now Indianapolis. The State of Indiana has now more than fifty nine hundred confirmed cases. Marion County where Indianapolis is located has a per-capita case rate higher than Chicago. Joining us now is Indianapolis Mayor. Joe Hawke set and Mayor. How is your healthcare system doing? And do you see the city of Indianapolis reopening anytime soon as the president has said he wants the country to up today I think then our healthcare system and our healthcare providers are keeping pace in Indianapolis Telling you we have a stay at home. Order closure of all school facilities has been ordered by the Governor and prohibition on all but essential businesses being open so we're not at the peak yet but We have reason to believe that. Perhaps by the first of May we will have seen the peak. Come and go and we hope that not that we can go back to business as usual. I think this is going to be a long slow process to regain what this virus has done. Not only to the people that certainly to the economy as a whole shooter. Shar you mentioned Schools closing and they are closed. I WanNa ask you a little bit more about Indianapolis Schools So the Public School district actually faces quite a few challenges. A mini homes are without broadband Internet access. You've created this. Two point six million dollar fund to support e learning. What how is this money going to be used specifically while we're going to do is the money will be used to find solutions primarily for low income families who don't have internet or the technology for e learning. It's also going to be used to help. Our teachers better prepare through the e learning system. Many communities throughout the state are pretty used to eat learning particularly during the winter months if school closed because of inclement weather but no one is prepared for the type of elearning that needs to be engaged in until schools are officially done with their academic year for the Memorial Day. Weekend or early. Jim Easter is a few days away. Governor Hogan has said Church services are not essential Meanwhile your former governor and current vice president Mike Pence has said he will be enjoying Easter Church service from home Do you agree with them? And what would you say to other states that are really weighing whether to have religious gatherings this weekend I agree with the vice presidents at the best way and the safest way to help us get through? This crisis is to avoid any type of large gathering now. This is clearly an important period for people of faith throughout Indiana. I mean Passover began last night We're in the middle of the Christian celebration of Holy Week. It's but I will be worshiping on Easter Sunday morning along with my family Virtually and in fact There are many churches who will be on Sunday morning in Indianapolis providing drive by communion Wow so I'm I'm very pleased that the religious community in this important and sacred time of the year has really stepped up and understood that. Unfortunately we need to avoid every large gathering including our worship Indianapolis Mayor Joe Hog set mayor. Thank you so much for this update in your time on you. Okay I have a question for you. Have you been thinking about getting a dog or cat to keep you company a good boy? That's the sound of my kids playing with the new member of our family. An eight year old terrier mix named biscuit we had the surge to adopt a few weeks ago and apparently we aren't alone since many states have instituted. Stay at home orders. Animal rescue organizations throughout the country are reporting a significant uptick in people interested in adopting. A pet hilary. Rosen is the founder of the nonprofit. A purposeful rescue in Los Angeles. Her team rescues dogs from shelters and pairs them with foster parents until they are adopted. Hillary welcome to hear now. Thanks for having me. Yes so you've been doing this for almost fifteen years. How would you describe the interest in adopting? Fostering a pet right now overwhelming to say the least we actually had to take down our online foster application process. Because we had too many. Because we're all volunteers. We couldn't even handle and a lot of the applications for fostering were more like people who wanted to adopt. It's been interesting talking about the process Just about all shelters are closed to visitors. So how are you taking these requests and how people being vetted so we're mostly A medical and senior dog rescue so the shelters have always just called us for specific dogs. You know it's you have to go when you have to ring the gate and they have to bring the dog out and it has to all be organized ahead of time. It's you know waiting at the door. Dropping animals off wearing gloves wearing masks. But you know we still have to go out and help these animals while we're all at home so we're just trying to find this weird balance. How are you preparing your staff to interact with people during this pandemic and the volunteers as well so about two to three weeks ago we were still doing? Meet and greets with social distancing. I mean we were you know outside of course and being careful We're going to hold off on on that for a moment And shortages followed the lead of. What's our governor? Mayors were telling us to do with so much. Interest at reminds me in a way of those seasonal jumps. We see for instance people wanting to buy a funny rabbits around Easter. How concerned are you about? People returning pets once We're beyond this outbreak. I hope we're doing a good job ensuring that these animals are going to be in homes forever but I think for the most part we were adopting to folks who are very serious who've actually been thoughtful and have wanted to adopt a dog. Some of these folks would have adopted over the summer. Maybe when they were home more artist adopting a little earlier with that. What questions do you think Folks should be asking themselves if they're yearning for pet right now and they're thinking about contacting an organization like yours honestly. The hardest part for us is from a behavioral standpoint. Right so everyone is home right now. And that's not normal so so I feel like when this is all over. We're going to have a lot of dogs separation anxiety that's a good. You know what I mean so right now when we do adopt normally and people say I want to be home for my new dog all the time and be there. I'm like no they. They they work around our schedule. Even being home I would still encourage folks to create a little distance and and the little independence with their animals. Because so in what ways you know biscuit great staring at me all day like why are you here? I know we met but right so creating is also really helpful or even just not paying not over loving all day if you're just getting so much love and affection to a dog all day that's creating some anxiety so I would encourage everyone to just step back from that a little bit and I I guarantee you. There's everyone is you know everyone's cuddling and everyone's having snacks and the dog's probably getting some snacks. Too right yeah yeah absolutely so To prepare for win. Hopefully oh my gosh right. Will we ever be the same again but to prepare? We can also prepare a dog's a little bit that way for your organization Do you have any thoughts on unwin? You'll be back online when you'll be available to to start. Those adoptions again you know I'm I'm a tad concerned what's going to happen in a couple of weeks a month a couple months once the shelters reopen so the back of my head. I want to be thoughtful. Because what's I don't know what the future looks like. You know it's hard because you want to be very. It's it's emotional but you have to you know. Take a step back and think finances we have. You know what is are people going to be donating during this time? Don't know a lot of unknowns so we have a lot of you know questions that we that can't be answered so we're just again trying to be super super thoughtful through this process for the animals end for the humans so much uncertainty but If you plan it's wonderful to adopt biscuit has given us so much joy. They're the best aren't they? They are the best. Thank you so much. It's Hilary Rosen. She's the founder and President of a nonprofit purposeful rescue here in Los Angeles and her team rescues dogs from shelters and then house them until they can find homes for them. Thank you so much as we reported. Nonviolent prisoners are winning early. Release to try to mitigate cove nineteen outbreaks in cramped prisons. We spoke wow back with. New York's chief medical officer Ross McDonald. Who said a storm is coming to? That city's rikers island and he compared trying to socially distance in jail to a cruise ship recklessly boarding more passengers every day. Well sure enough infections have surged. At rikers thirty-three-year-old Jose Diaz was released early from rikers last Saturday. After serving thirty days for breaking his parole for a previous conviction. He's been in New York University prisoner education program since his first infraction. He's also a Grad student. Nyu Jose I bet it feels really to be out of rikers. Yeah definitely feels really good to be out but on the opposite is still knowing that people are in like right depressing as well. Well let's talk about why so many people supported you because you're these came technically because you were in the category of technical violations. You broke parole but behind. That is quite a story. Years ago you were eighteen in a group that started fighting with another group. Someone was shot. You and your friends. Not The shooters were convicted of manslaughter for being present. I'm sure that today you'd love a do over on I'll one level definitely Well on another level is also like you know you learn so much through your journey. You know the lessons. I learned a long just by living lifeless something that I wouldn't want to replace for anything. No kidding it sounds like it because you served thirteen and a half years. You joined a master program at nyu stuck to your parole. Four four years then made a mistake cross state lines to visit family and so back to jail. You went but talk about that Masters Program. What what were you studying? So I'm department of Social Culture Analysis. What emphasis on Latin Studies? I primarily right about Stick Ball and L. Body. Oh that's East Harlem. Which is neighborhood. That's currently being trrt now and really trying to archive like that history move forward. Snow logged there to archive. How great simple. I'm a New Yorker long islander you know so Stick ball you know is a New York tradition broomstick and pink rubber ball on cement playground favorite and your thesis at Nyu. And here's where we get to part of how you released because a lot of people as you said had to help you one was. Nyu President Andrew. Hamilton wrote a letter on your behalf. Community organizations rallied behind you. What would you say to people who say I don't want people coming out even if there's covert nineteen within? I will say you know what we have to look at it as a public health risk and what that actually implicates individuals says. I don't want him to get out is then they actually giving me a death sentence? We heard about this from Ross McDonald. And we know that dino to officers at rikers island have now died did you. Did you see any masks or sanitizers sanitizers no in fact when it comes to cleaning solutions or chemicals? They're actually under tighter lockdown. You know one perfect example is that I had a sponge where I was able to disinfect. My area officer saw me using it decided to take the sponge from me and lock it away. We're here about fear. Did you feel fear in there? Of course I was scared. The reality is is that you have correctional officers who were more likely to be exposed to the virus and coming back into the into the system. And we're so bunched up where social distancing. It's not even possible because there are so many people there who we understand. Jose that you and your team at New York University Prison Education program are working for a bail fund to help get more prisoners out. We're looking at how to reduce the population and unfortunately for people will parole violations like myself we don't have bail and another issue is is that in cases where guys had already taken some type of parole violation bargain plea bargain The way there'd be a drug program or or what not all the drug programs and other places where they would be transferred to are no longer setting people so they just have to sit there indefinitely. Meantime you N. into jail again on a parole violation you've served as we said thirteen and a half years years ago. But you were reincarcerated on this parole violation. You go in and you come out and it's a changed New York. Just your thoughts as you came out to this. I hear the sirens. I mean that we're hearing that the sirens are now the soundscape and you can hear them so clearly but other than that it's quiet it's empty your thoughts on seeing that for me. It was kind of like a really surreal experience. Mainly because it's like prior to my rearrest. You heard rumors of Kovin on on the news. You're watching it and what I'm seeing is. That ad might hit New York but now coming out into the street. It's really scary. And even though I'm I was locked in for the last thirty days I'm also locked in now so freedom hasn't has been like a bittersweet pill to swallow as well. That's right you're out of the prison. And into the lockdown Jose Diaz. We wish you the best and thank you so much for speaking to us about your experience. Thank you for having me on Robin on. Stay safe out there. A Union family. Thank you very much Tanya. It's amazing isn't it? The different aspects of Kobe. Nineteen just amazing here now is a production of NPR. And W Bjorn Association with the BBC. World Service. I'm Robin Young. I'm Tanya Moseley. This is here now.

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Andrea Mercado & Lorella Praeli: How we show up for people in crisis matters.

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Andrea Mercado & Lorella Praeli: How we show up for people in crisis matters.

"Welcome back Brown Girls Ashanti here the founder of the Braga Guy to politics the one stop shop podcast for women of Color. Who Want to hear and talk about the world of politics as we continue our partnership with she the people we're highlighting their list of twenty women of Color to watch in twenty twenty. We have two wonderful guest Andrea Marcado. And Laura I've pray Alley Andrea mcardle is the executive director. A new Florida majority an organization that engages historically marginalized communities to expand their participation in politics to make their lives and their community better. Can't we pretty here? This amazing conversation Andrea. Thank you for joining us today. How are you during this time? All you know I think like everyone just taking it one day at a time. How are you hanging in there like everyone else? It's definitely an interesting time. But what has been really interesting for me. To Watch is all of those people who surely didn't realize how politics impact their daily lives are now realizing it especially people who haven't really politically and civically engaged. Haven't voted a lot by your when those people who has always been very politically engaged. So can you tell us a little bit about why you wanted to get involved in politics in especially doing work around voting? I got involved as a young person who just saw a lot of injustice all around me and felt it deep in my bones that we had to do something about it and I was organized in two organizations and in the community organizations and helped co found the national domestic workers alliance and learned so much from fierce immigrant women the country on who were fighting for themselves and their families and after the twenty sixteen election felt really committed to focus on Florida on my home. Where all of my family lives between Miami and Jacksonville and really has been lucky to join the team at new Florida. Majority Focused every day on. How do we expand democracy? How do we protect democracy on? And how do we build power of the people And Center communities that oftentimes get left behind in political discourse I was saying when it comes to uplifting people. I was actually really upset that I didn't go to the democratic debate in Miami because you had this Amazing Large Watch Party. That had a live ban that so many people were excited about it in. I just thought it was the perfect fusion of politics and social gatherings and bringing people to gather. Why did you want to host that event during the Democratic Debate? Or you know I mean I think I was really inspired. It might have been one of the last times. I saw you Ashanti By the she the people gathering and debate in Houston. I think the work of really elevating on the voices of women of Color in particular to me. Yeah I'm feel so important in a place like Miami where you know when I was growing up. The political space was so dominated by men and by conservatism. And my cheese mall. I think it brings me a lot of joy to help create spaces where black and Let the non indigenous women can come together and be are unapologetic. Selves and engage in politics are way and drawing a lot of inspiration from women of color doing amazing things around the country and that she the people a new Florida majority debate. Watch party in. Miami was definitely you highlight last year and right now as we're trying to adjust to the new normal of what does it mean to not be able to do in person events and how do we engage people in politics online. I think we have to remember that. You know we have to center ourselves but also our joy as well as you know are righteous indignation. I can't wait for us to get back to those days again because she the People Presidential Forum was so much fun. I'm definitely come into your next event because it just looked really fabulous but you definitely hit on something that is new for all of us is. How do we do this? Community work in this age of social distancing that we're now in so when you're looking at new Florida majority. What are some of the innovative ways that you're outreaching to people to try to fill in the gap during this time to make sure that people don't lose that enthusiasm and also keeping that eye towards November? Yeah I think definitely a lot of online engagement. You know we're doing a census census and chill event trying to continue to have political spaces online. That people can join remotely and connects with other folks and get information. But I think the other thing that we've been thinking a lot about is just the digital divide is so real. I think I saw something that you know over. Thirty percent of families don't have Wi Fi in their homes. And you know so. Many young people just don't have access to a laptop right. People are on their phones and with limited data plans. And so I think we've also been thinking about. We can't just reach out. I mean yes. We have to reach people on instagram and facebook and spotify and all the places where people are congregating but at the same time. We can't leave our elders behind and people behind that don't have wi fi in their homes And who could use a phone call of somebody checking in with them and see how they're doing and see if they need groceries or just share some stories and and talk talk with that and then so I think we're trying to do a a mix of both and you know and also making sure that we're still leveraging our collective voice in this time I mean you you mentioned you know. It's like who's in office matters and the failures of leadership Both in the White House and for us here in Florida. Our governor fused to shutdown beaches. And tell people that you know. This was not a time for for spring break that we needed to stay at home. And he's been so resistant to do that. And so you know here in Florida. We have some of the lowest unemployment benefits in the country. It's only two hundred and seventy five dollars week. And so many people are paid under the Bu- off under the table or undocumented and are ineligible for benefits of any kind and so I think it really does call the question of how are we gonNA lift our voices collectively to fight for our families for our communities and make sure that you know. It's not just corporations that are getting bailed out in when talking about workers year Wenda Co founders of the national domestic workers alliance in even during this time we are seeing again just the negative impact that a pandemic can have on domestic workers so going into November. What are some of the things that our listeners should be looking for when candidates are talking about workers rights particularly when it comes to domestic workers and labor laws? Yeah I mean I think the big thing is that we can't leave people behind and so we have to think about you. Know domestic workers and farm workers who are often paid under the table and people who work in restaurants. We can't leave folks behind you know. I know the national domestic workers alliances encouraging people to continue paying your house cleaner in this time. Like if you're fortunate enough to have a that you can work remotely from home But you're not going to have somebody come into your house and clean it for you. Consider the fact that you might be the only source of you know that person being able to put food on their table and I think it comes to the elections in in November. I think we're going to have a lot of one a lot of work to do to protect our elections To make sure that our elections go forward to insist that every eligible voter gets Ballot in the mail that they're able to easily fill out and mail from the safety of their home You know we don't know what How long this? This crisis is going to last. But you know there's a lot of work to be done to make sure that we're protecting Democracy and protecting the integrity of the elections. And so we're just doing our best to continue to reach out to people and I think everyone needs to understand. I think one of the things that we've really learned here in Florida. Doing some of our hurricane relief work. Is that how we show UP FOR PEOPLE IN CRISIS MATTERS? I think a lot of people like you mentioned are really frustrated with some of our elected leaders right now and we can see around the country really unevenness of measures that are being taken and even when you compare what's being offered in the United States to what's being done in other countries and when you talked about everyone having the right to vote after give Kudos to you and Florida majority because you've worked with other groups in Florida to pass amendment for which are the voting rights of over one point four million people with felony convictions in just for Me Criminal. Justice reform banning. The box are all really important. Things and I know we have a lot of listeners who are invested in this work. What tips would you have for them if they were looking to organize something like this and they're state absolutely? I mean we need to organize everywhere. you can't talk about amendment for without lifting up the incredible leadership of returning citizens people who were directly impacted by our unjust laws in the state and the leadership of Desmond. Mead in Florida writes restoration coalition. And I think what was so inspiring to me about amendment for was just to see so many different organizations youth organizations faith based organizations student groups community groups really coming together to win the largest Rian Franchise since women suffrage. And you know I think it was a a historic effort and then you know after that victory the kind of energy that all of us put into registering people to vote in Florida others. Four million young people and people of color that are eligible to vote but aren't registered or registered to vote and aren't voting. And so you know we often times. Don't we know where the voters are? We need to talk to them. We need to find ways to engage them and bring them into the process. And there's oftentimes this like overemphasis on these like trump swing voters or these like really narrow slices of the electorate that miss the big picture of all those people out there who could be part of our electorate if we were to engage them and talk to them and I knew far majority worse we registered over seventy thousand people to vote in Florida since the amendment for victory and now A lot of people who volunteered with us and work on our voter registration team are busy. Calling all of those people to ask them how they're doing in this crisis that we're facing and I think we oftentimes talk about And many of our organizations Asians around the country that democracy. It doesn't just happen on election day. It's something that we need to cultivate and nurture three hundred sixty five days a year. So you know. I think that those are the stories that like. Give me a lot of hope of organizers who are out there. Talking into their community is Week after week building relationships bringing people in there's so many people out there who are really interested in politics but have never gotten the invitation to be part of a Movement for Racial Equity Movement for Gender Justice a Movement for climate action. And so I think we definitely see that as part of our mandate is creating a political home where people can get involved and engaged. I love that in. That is so important because I just from people all the time. Is there just always looking for that? One group where they feel that they not only share their seeing values but they feel welcome and that people want for them to participate. And you've always been about that new Florida majorities about that. So just thank you for that in for our listeners. If they wanted to support your work. What are some ways that they could do that? Yeah so folks can go to new Florida. Majority DOT ORG or check us out on instagram or twitter facebook we also just launched in a coalition with other organizations here in Florida Florida Corona Action Dot Org as a space where people can find access to resources food banks or services but can also get plugged into advocacy efforts and Sign onto petitions to call governor to do right by our communities as well as volunteer to be part of this. You know this effort help us help us reach every elder every young person every family across the state and to check in on them and see how they're doing and urge them to be a part of a movement for Change Fabulous. So I wanted to switch gears for a moment and talk about your plus one Ashley Shelton from the Power Coalition for equity and justice. Why did you pick Ashley for your plus one? Oh I just think well Ashley is just amazing. She's phenomenal kind of work that she's been leading in Louisiana to win elections to win victories for marginalized communities and there's so many amazing unsung heroes in our movement. And I think that Ashley is definitely one of. There's like so many incredible black and Brown women across the South in particular That get up every day trying to make away and build that centers women and people of Color. And so. If you don't know about Ashley Shelton and her work folks should definitely check out on the power coalition and some of the incredible organizations that are a part of that effort. I love that a common theme that we're starting to see. And a lot of the plus one is people highlighting women that are doing work in the south which is just very close to my heart because the work that I do at our merge was really with our southern expansion to get more women running for office in the south so I love that whenever where listen up our sisters down there all right Andrea. I have loved this conversation and I'm going to move into our final question signature question that we asked all of our guests. What would you say to the Brown girls out there listening saying I want to be just like her? I'd say that there's so many opportunities to be involved and there's so many ways to lead For Your community so I guess my advice is just findin find a place to get in where you fit in find an organization that feels like home and feels like a place where you can learn and grow and learn from history to and the so many black and Brown women that we can learn from like Ella Baker and the latest weather fan so many others who continue to guide us. Thank you for the conversation. Ashanti really enjoyed it too. Thank you this was gray. We'll chat with you soon. Better help loss as your needs. Matchy with their own licensed professional therapists. You can start. Communicating and under twenty. Four hours is not a crisis line. It's not self help. It is professional. 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And joining the over seven hundred thousand people taking charge of their mental health with the help of an experienced professional special offer for the BVD listeners. Get Ten percent off your first month at better help. Dot Com backslash. Bg Me Lorella Pre Ellie. She is a vice president at community. Change and Co President at community action an organization working to make sure that communities of Color and immigrant communities have the resources and power that they need to thrive. I hope you enjoy this conversation. Thank you so much for joining us. How are you doing? I've okay. It's it's Monday and more coming out of a couple of weeks and I think that the future the immediate future looks both challenging and I like to think of it also as What are we call to do in this very difficult moment? That is a statue. That's really powerful. Which he just said and these really are interesting times where we are feeling. The sense of grief is always important to name it in. That's why we're what it is grief but all of ways main keep our faith to that things will get better. And how can we make things that are and I think that's a great opportunity for us to talk about? What actually drove you to want to get into the organizing movement. All you know I think is also in the. There's a story of self. There's a story of us the story of now and for me. This really started a story of self. I was myself undocumented. grew up in the United States but originally from Peru. I had a car accident that resulted in the amputation of my right leg. When I was two and a half. And that was really the impetus for our move to the United States. I started as just trips. A Lotta visits to shriners hospital in Tampa Florida and eventually my family made a decision to settle in Connecticut and I discovered that I was undocumented. And that's really how I came into organizing I started to come into it really from My experiences as someone who was cyber bullied for having one leg when I was younger and in middle school and then began to add more formal training when I begin to me leaders of the immigrant youth movement and so it was really grounded in my own self interest. I I have to be honest. I didn't know about the power of movement and moving from individual to collective grievance an action film and came into it because I decided that I know longer wanted to sit on the sidelines and wait for someone to quote unquote fix the things. We always have choice. And we have the agency to move our dreams into reality and you know if someone who was undocumented. That was really Game Changer. For me that this realization that even though we were in it to really transform lives by changing and winning policy that had the route and at the core of it it was about transforming lives by changing and transforming our own notions of self and Person Hood and power and authority and choice And those were things that you know people couldn't really take from us. I want to talk a little bit more about the moment when you came out as undocumented ashort Silva from Nevada. She's one of my personal Xiros. Unlike you she advocates on Daca so much. She talks about her story. King tell us a little bit about when you decided to come out as undocumented like what was that moment light because there may even be some of our listeners who have not come out yet and how that strong in very real sense of fear. Yeah this was you know I feel like the movement has different phases? I came into it when people were beginning to come out and had begun to use their real names so there was this power that came with really naming yourself and identifying yourself as undocumented unafraid and unapologetic and me. I was in. I was in college when I decided to come out. And in some ways there was a number of things that sort of propelled me into this moment that surface catalysts for realizing I no longer could live a life of fear and shame I spent a good amount of time feeling too steeply ashamed and very afraid of being discovered being afraid of being discovered because it meant. I carry the stigma being ashamed of being discovered because it meant I could be detained and deported and separated from my family and my country. It was actually when I was a sophomore going into my junior year. Several things happen in my life one of Wedge doing this research fellowship at Quinnipiac University which is where I went to school and my mom had saved up money for us to get a car so that I could really be based in new haven. I was studying different. Impact of municipal policies looking at new haven and Danbury Connecticut which had very different ways of treating immigrants in their city and shortly after I got the car I was actually rear ended and the reason why I think about this moment as a catalyst in my life was because in the course of doing the paperwork for the car accident I n doing all of the insurance paperwork I realized or I learned that you know the four hundred dollar insurance payments that my mother was making every month was actually not just a cover for the cost of insuring our car but it was actually four. My friends cars as well was not something that had been disclosed to me And so just a really painful moment in my life Else at a time when I had no one to really talk to about it because people didn't know I was undocumented and just feeling like I had no no real agency in that moment and feeling like I was manipulated. And you know even in my engagement with my friend. My then friend. I couldn't be real right. Because this person also was technically. The owner of the car had the title was in their name. The insurance was in their name. And so you're sort of trying to game out. How do you protect yourself and your family in the midst of all of this? You know we we. It's so important to remember in the work that we do. What were those moments And I think instead of retreating in that moment it really served as a catalyst for cool. I need to talk to him. This moment you know how do I actually How do I get involved? And I was connected to an organizer. His name is Carlos heavy that who was then with United we dream which is a national largest immigrant. Youth led network and be on the phone. He's like what's your story and I was like What do you mean? And he's like well let me model it for you and then I shared my story and he said actually you know this is the perfect time because you can come to Kentucky Kentucky like you know in two weeks. We have our national field planning meeting. This was in two thousand and ten and that moment you know getting in a car and heading to Kentucky with. I think it was a large van. It was fourteen or sixteen of us. some mixed mixed that is van. Some people had US citizenship. People were undocumented and this is my first real sort of experience being with people who were in similar situations you know and they walk into a room and there are about one hundred and fifty two hundred young people some of the more wearing undocumented unafraid. Unapologetic t shirts. And like this for real like how could you? How do you feel that much pride you know and his that began to change the course of my story in my life and shortly after that I decided to come out? I love that I love that. So much shoutout to for them for having a meeting in Kentucky. I'm all about organizing in the south so I absolutely love that they did that. In some of my favorite people live in Kentucky so this is also telling. People don't sleep on having conferences in. Kentucky is actually a really great state. Don't don't let the awful senators they are make. You Not WanNa go there in continuing to talk about how you have just been so unapologetic and outspoken. You continue to really speak against the trump administration and just their prolonged assaults on immigrant rights in just a hatred that comes out of it right now during the covert hand dynamic. Were seeing the Asian community under attack but simultaneously still seeing all of the other communities of color under attack so with the twenty twenty presidential election coming up when it comes to immigration reform. What should we be paying attention to not only at the presidential level but also at the state and local level to our movement has much work to do to really Bill Power To Win Transformational Change and I'd community change and community change action. We have spent several decades really building a network called the firm network fair immigration reform movement. This is a network of state coalitions or state organizations that really focus on building the power of immigrants and driving change at the local at the state and at the federal level when they come together into this network. I think we've got to continue on that front like we can't get sidetracked sort of move around from thing to thing right because it's so easy to get caught up in the rapid response peace. We've got to do the right amount of rapid response and we have to do the right amount of long-term power building and we have to drive campaigns that change lives and that ultimately win policy outcomes. And so when I think about this year I think. Narrative and narrative power is critical We are already seeing. The trump administration drive a narrative and try to make Cova Nineteen Abou the China virus as he calls it as opposed to. You know this is what we have to deal with its here. How do we solve for it? How do we prepare the nation to respond? And but I would say actually. It's not even just about this moment when you think about the way that he launched his campaign so we could also start there That moment when he came down the elevator and and said that Mexicans only sent there were people or we can or we can actually go back further and actually say the moment that we are in the kind of constructs that we have the real structural barriers that we have for people to live a life of dignity and freedom and justice they started way before trump and they will be here long after trump unless we actually intervene and reckon with our history and our pass and try to write a new chapter for the immigrant Justice Movement. So I'd like to think of it as It's it's not just a trump problem. It's actually you know. Both Democrats and Republicans have built a system that targets undocumented people that seeks to identify to apprehend to the teen to deport them and for many decades. There's been sort of an assumption and a practice that in order to win legalization. We have to actually build more Operationally robust deportation machinery. And what you're seeing in this moment is actually a remaking of a movement as trying to grapple with its history and trying to set a new course and trying to say. How do you actually decouple these things? That's not to say hasn't existed before like this is a new thinking but I would say that. Living under trump has turbo charged that kind of focus and that real commitment across movement to really enter into the practice of radical imagination rate. And to say you know we will not look and settle for the world as it is our job. Social Justice organizers is actually to remake it and that starts in our own imagination organizing practice and then in its application in the world in you mentioned community change actions. I WANNA say Kudos. Cu 'cause you are the first woman and the fertile McCullough to be appointed as co-president of community changed action and Vice President of community change. We love trailblazing woman so tell us a little bit more about the work that you all do. Yeah so I would say you know. Our work is really about transforming lives and building power to win and we believe at our core that those who are closest to the pain are closest to the solution and that if we build a movement led by people who are impacted led by low income low income people of Color led by immigrants that that the community itself has the power to change policy institution to develop the big ideas for change and to build the kind of narratives that we need in order to make those things real. And so that's really what community change is. Abou and I couldn't be more excited to be CO president of the organization with my partner in crime during Warren. Who's you know a year and a half into the job and so we both you know we're we were now sitting in an organization that's fifty one years old that has fifty one years of history And working with our staff our partners at the national level and importantly at the state and local level to really think about how we change how we win for immigrants how we win for low income people of color so that we can move some from survival to thriving is really the way I think about it and you know if we build an electoral powerhouse. If we build people power if we build powerful ideas in narrative power we believe right that we can something we haven't yet seen and that's the beauty of community changed its Its complexity its power and its beauty. And I'm excited to help write this next chapter with my team. Assume and someone on your team who you listed as your plus one was Gracie Lima tell us why you chose her goodness. Ya is a powerhouse. She's based in Arizona also formerly undocumented. You know when I think about I think about young women of color who are really committed to not just winning for the sake of winning or not just winning because winning is important but winning as broadly defined every time I have a conversation good. Seo she grounds me in you know she lied. She's our political director and so she really leads on building out our electoral plan engaging with our partners to ensure that they have a theory to win and a path to power and victory in their states. And she's so rounded in all of that being shaped by the experiences of the people on the ground and she so grounded in seeing that. You know winning isn't just about delivering Michigan and making sure that you know we we win in the state it's also about the transformation that the organizations on the ground go through and I'm excited for I'm grateful for Scott and I'm really excited to see how she continues to make community changed action and our partners more fear fierce more powerful and more impactful on the ground. Assume okay. This has been a great conversation. And we're going to close it out with our signature question for all of our guests. Why is your vice out there for all the Brown girls listening saying I want to be just like her? Oh okay so I came into usually have this practice every year. And I'm like what my word for the year and this you know and this year I actually said a will what's really sitting in my heart and The freeze I came up with is soil than through the me which is I am the power within me. And that's I think my single piece of advice for women for Brown women listening to this podcast that so often were trying to outsource the answers to someone else right like you either. Follow someone on instagram. Where you're listening to a podcast. Even even this conversation and I think it's fine to find hope and others. I think it's great to have mentors So long as you really develop the ability to listen to what you know is right in your heart and your gut and we live in a world that is constantly trying to take that away from us. That's trying to make a second guess ourselves that's trying to put you know inject. Dow into our dreams and our imagination and so I would say to everyone who's listening to really tap into the power that already lies within you. Thank you so much. We really appreciate you joining us. It's been great. It's been fun being cue to learn more about the work. Andrei and Laura are doing. Visit the show notes to find out how to support their organizations. 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Dont declare victory just yet

America Dissected with Abdul El-Sayed

31:35 min | 3 months ago

Dont declare victory just yet

"Nearly seventy thousand Americans have died of nineteen in three months gets an emergency use authorization from the FDA in another panel predict we could be dealing with cove nineteen for another eighteen months or more. This is America dissected. And I'm your host Dr Abdul El-Sayed. You've all seen that movie you know the one. Where the protagonist? Finally confronts their tormentor they fight and the protagonist wins. They think it's all over and then only after they walk away the tormentor there is again and then comes back with a vengeance. Well it's been seven long weeks of social distancing and it's worked the rate of new cases is starting to drop and we all saw that movie right. We know better than to declare victory too early right or maybe not was a lovely weekend in Michigan one of the first where the thermometer hits the Eighties and actually stays there for a while. It was the kind of weekend that would have had every park. Philp people enjoying the beginning of a great Michigan Summer. But of course it's still early. May and just last week. Michigan's governor announced this. I signed an executive order this morning to extend the stay home. Stay safe order through may fifteenth. The data shows that most michiganders' are doing their part by staying home and staying safe. It's good but I want to be crystal clear. The overarching message. Today is still the same we all need to do. Our part and staying home is the best way to prevent spread of covert nineteen. So I was Kinda surprised as I drove through town on my way to Costco to buy groceries over the weekend to see groups of young people sunbathing outside. They didn't see the movie. I guess then twitter because well what else is there to do and I catch pictures of people in astoundingly large groups in Georgia. New York City's West village or on Huntington Beach. Come on now people. We've got to do better but then I guess this doesn't help. We're must sacrifice together because we are all in this together and will come through together. It's the invisible enemy that's always the toughest enemy the invisible enemy but we're going to defeat the invisible enemy. I think we're going to do it even faster than we thought. And it will be a complete victory. It'll be a total victory states all over. The country are implicitly declaring victory over covert nineteen by opening up their states. They're being Egged on by folks like these and now because we have flattened the curve because we have slowed the spread with those important new guidelines. He wants to reopen America asap soon as safely possible. That is all focused tonight. And then of course there are. These people doesn't matter what prices there is. You only have the power that you have and you can't take more and if people are GonNa die. I'm sorry you only have as much power as you have just this week quote unquote protesters carrying assault rifles stormed. Michigan's Capitol building demanding an end to this day. Homeowners I get that you're frustrated but an assault rifle. Never mind the fact that we do a episode about gun reform in public health and then there was the vice president. The leader of the cove in nineteen taskforce who decided. He didn't need to wear a mask. While touring the Mayo Clinic. Do have to ask you about your husband. Not Wearing the masks when he was touring the Mayo Clinic. Why wasn't wearing one? That's a great question. I'm glad that you asked me as our medical experts have told us Wearing a mask prevents you from spreading and knowing that he doesn't have over nineteen He didn't wear. It was actually after. He left. Mayo Clinic that he found out that they had a policy of asking everyone to wear Matt but I guess he apologized. So it's all good. This all speaks volumes to a disturbing trend toward politicizing public health. Every health official in the country is arguing that we need to maintain social distancing until we see sustained decreases in cases. And we have the testing and tracing capacity to come out of social distancing safely. But we've watched as politicians have created a false equivalency about the need to restart the economy. I understand that this is devastating the economy. But it's not social distancing that's doing it's covert nineteen and the answer isn't letting up early. The answer is making sure. We've actually beaten covered nineteen and providing more support for everyday people in the form of basic income as we discussed last week with Yang more support for small businesses like actually small businesses rents and utility relief and support for healthcare. Costs we cannot revive our economy until we defeat covert nineteen. It's that simple. People won't go back to their quote unquote normal lives so long as a deadly super infectious virus is lurking about the only way around. Social distancing is through it but we have to keep society whole while we do it. Remember that horror movie never ends well. For the protagonist in fact highly respected infectious disease group out of the University of Minnesota recently released a report about what they think will happen with covert nineteen. They predict that. We'll have one of three scenarios two of them have dealing with more serious peaks for a really long time. It may be a big peak. That could occur Sometime in late summer early fall it could be a whole series of peaks. That's just kind of overlay on each other in many different areas and then finally it could just be a slow burn it just continues and continues and continues and it looks like we're on our way already. A research group at the University of Washington has been calculating projected total number of deaths to cove in nineteen. Their model is considered the gold standard and it takes into account how social distancing other factors are impacting the covert nineteen death rate there last update to the model on April twenty ninth projected the total number of covert nineteen deaths in the United States. To be a bit over seventy two thousand yesterday their projected total number of deaths nearly doubled to just under one hundred and thirty five thousand in fact the trump administration's own models from the CDC and FEMA also project the daily death rates to increase to remind us. What's at stake? I reached out to a few colleagues who are battling covert nineteen on the front lines. I will hear from Dr Jason Bay doctor who spent ten days in Queens at the peak of covert nineteen. And then we'll hear from any Cortez. Co President of the National Nurses United a nurse on the front lines. So Dr Jason Bay is an internal medicine physicians. Also a good friend of mine and he has been somebody who is Really answered the call He spent ten days in Queens volunteering his his medical skills out there in the peak of the crisis. Jason Thank you so much for taking the time I really really appreciate you in in Your Voice. Right now actually having me. It's a pleasure to be here so let's jump right in. We're hearing that things are starting to plateau in maybe even decline. How does it feel on the ground right now? Does it feel like Like we are starting to plateau in in. What does that mean for you? One of the reasons why I went to New York was that this is a big pandemic happen across the country and under across the world you know and what the plateauing or the declining of the The cases was evident even in those ten days throws so when I the first day I walked into the emergency room There's really nothing like you walk in there and then literally my first I was. What did I get myself into? There are stretchers next to stretchers The rooms are basically filled with patients. Who are on breeding Support or some in some cases breathing machines and it's hard to walk around and it's hard to even get to the patient that you are a scientific care because stretches doubled park and a just right next to each other you cannot squeeze in between them right and by the time that I left. The emergency room was half full. There are stretch empty stretchers. You can walk around You know as one of my colleagues described was actually civil Whereas a week or two before that it was it was described as a humanitarian disaster. Was the only word that my colleague so he could describe the situation. So you know we are. We're definitely seeing the the plateau. At least you know when I was there for ten days The decline in terms of the number of hospitalizations are happening or your visits So yeah that's that's definitely happening your take us through a day in in Queens versus a day in the bay area. Where where you're from. What was the difference like you know in in Queens when I walked into a hospital literally every single patient Maybe except for one all my on my on my list of patients to care of had covy nineteen. I was taking care of. You know ten to fifteen patients right so twenty to thirty percent of your patients. You're you're basically moving twice. You want to patients would die a day so it's Yeah it's IT'S A lot. Yeah how has this changed the view of what you do your working medicine? I think something that I realize is that Especially with this pandemic you know. There are a lot of choices. There are being made That affects patients lives directly right and I think we already. I mean I knew that in theory but I think this pandemic really has brought that to light so much for me because you know I. I'm in New York seeing these patients and and you know like holding hands of a patient who is dying as her brother is crying over the phone. Saying I can't. I'm sorry I can't be there and understanding. This is a kind of a you know this was a a medical issue. The cost us as much but there was as much of a political issue. That drove this right because this is not happening as much in places like South Korea or Taiwan or or Japan in. What I saw in the field was that a lot of conversation that were happening. Were not maybe relevant to what's happening on the on the on the ground or or what's happening on the ground is not being reflected so It really made me think of my role as a doctor and healthcare professional that maybe or or roll. It's maybe beyond just taking care of patients whose in front of us right. It's it's also really to advocate for for changes that are needed for to bring to attention to things that that needs to be brought to attention There are not being addressed. And there's so many of those that's happening currently you wouldn't particular in your mind is really needs to change. I think people talk about testing a lot And I think I think that's certainly true And I think it's it's more than just a test testing capacity. I think that's really born writing what I'm also Seeing on the ground is that like when I when I first started tests You should take a long time so it takes five days. It would take seven days. Sometimes you take two weeks for this test to come back Which is not very helpful right and even in Queens Center tests and On a patient who's hospitalized and the test result came back positive for code five days after she passed away. So you know. It's not only the testing capacity issue. But how how quickly those tests come back to be helpful. Right what do you? What do you have to say to these folks? Who ARE OUT PROTESTING These stay at home orders and potentially putting themselves and others at risk. You've seen the inside of a hospital in Queens. You've worked there. You've held hands with people who are dying of covert nineteen. What do you have to say to them? I definitely empathize with with people. I ibn quarantined for very long time. I mean partly because I I had to get tested a couple times for for Potential exposures So I know what he feels like to hold up in a room or house and not having context I you know and I. I know there's a lot of worries about the economy and unemployment adding. That's very very fortunate. I think we have to distinguish cope and wishes of what we want the world to look like and and what is the reality? That's in front of us. And I think the reality is that you know there are still think. Three hundred million or more people in. Us probably were never exposed to it. And if you just go back to things as usual reopened businesses and do exactly the same things that we were doing which is not contact race. Not You know Test widely then. We're just going to be the same place it's not. It's not a question of if it's just one so we could be in two months. It could be four months six months so so I I want our conversations to change from when we can reopen because that is important but I think what's more important is how we can open safely because my concern is that that in three to six months we will be in the exactly same place where we're all the schools are shut down again. All the restaurants are shut down again and if that happens for the second time the economy. I'm very worried that that the economy will just be much worse shape than than it is now while having costing you know hundreds of thousands of lives But we don't have to Make that into or future right like if we invest in testing investing contact tracing intellect states like California Massachusetts. We can avoid that from happening. And and and let the economy recover and don't have to shut the restaurants down and stores down again so I know I know everyone's frustrated and angry and really want to go back to normal Me Too I really do to I have to be honest with ourselves about. What's you know like where that's going? Land us if we do exactly the same thing as as January February really really grateful To be able to To talk with you today learn from you today and we wish you continued good health and safety and all my best to your friends and family. Okay thank you all right so my guess is Cortez she is a nurse and also co President of the National Nurses United Really grateful to you for your time and your leadership in this moment. Can you tell us what is it like to be on the front lines for you and your members right now? Well first of all thank you for having me and I continued to think folks like you who continue to shed light on. What's going on so in the front lines? Nurses are going into work with lots of anxiety and a lot of fear. It's because every day. We do not know how our patients will be like you know during the shift and also the constant fear of not having the optimum protective equipment as we take care of our patients every day. So that's in our minds all the time but we are overcome with our compassion and to take care of the patients. Well we really appreciate you doing that. In in a truly are lifesavers. I want to ask you talked about a couple of challenges there you said. There's a challenge with a the condition of the patients that you're seeing on the front lines and be that a lot of nurses and staff in hospitals are are trying to care for patients without the necessary personal protective equipment. Can you speak to the the ladder? The the P P challenge. I mean. We've heard a lot about that in the news and sort of faded as a story but from what I'm hearing from you and others is that this is still an issue. How how are people coping in? What needs to be done okay? So what's happening right now is like you said there's a whole lot of news that have come out from the White House. The governor's saying that slow. Many millions have been released to the front lines but it has not reached US okay so every day we come to work not knowing whether we will have the protective gear the optimum protective gear like the ninety five masks which is required when you take care of copied positive patients and also we say that patients who are PD. You I you know when the tests are still pending. We should be treating them like. They're positive because we never know how the test is gonNA fair out so every day. That's a challenge because if we are assigned to be you patients than our employer is telling us that we don't need an in ninety five mask but we continue to fight for and so we have a little bit of a win when they said that. Yeah you can have an ninety five mask to take care of those patients but now a new challenge is a racing because they want us to recycle those and ninety five masks which is not good because there are no proven tests or data. That says once you recycled an ninety five mask. It will give you the optimum protection so just to clarify something so earlier on their patients would come in. They had in nineteen symptoms. They were pending test and the directive from employers. Were that you didn't to wear a mask with these patients. Even though we knew that they could potentially be sick with the virus and shedding the virus and making other people sick they would give us surgical mask which is not the same protection as you would get from an N. Ninety five mask because they said the patients not confirmed positive but again like I said until after we have re seved test results then. Everybody should be treated like if they're positive. Yeah and and now. We've got nurses having to recycle their and ninety five in how long? How long does that last for? I mean how long are they being asked to wear the same mask well right now? We are being told that we could use that mass for more than our shifts nurses who have been using them for a week and then only to be told that they should not toss it. It needs to be recycled and again like you know. There are no proven data that says the efficiency and the protection that we will get from recycled masks are the same as if they were new. Yeah a lot of folks haven't ever a interacted with an end ninety five and they don't appreciate it that Kinda porous and if you're in a clinical scenario where you're running around and you might be sweating it in and of course there's droplets coming in from your own mouth and you know in these things just like anything where there's no evidence to suggest that they last beyond one use because of course in normal circumstances the only time anybody's using an ninety five is one year you know. In most circumstances you have a patient with with tuberculosis right which is extremely rare in my training. The only time I've ever worn in ninety five was with the patient with tuberculosis losses. Most of the time you know even even contact precautions. You're not you're not wearing ninety five and so and you use it once and then you you pitch it. And now we're being we're asking folks to use these for potentially weeks and also even the companies that manufacture the mass does not recommend decontamination in recycling and so our employers are being reckless about recycling them in decontaminating them with hydrogen peroxide and then only for the frontline workers nurses like us who will be inhaling that hydrogen peroxide when we are being told to use recycled masks while the other the other challenge that You know that comes through here is is you talked about the condition of the patients but also you know nurses in in front line workers are going into work under circumstances where you don't have the support system that you usually have You know you think about Providing childcare for nurses in making sure that you know things are taken care of on the homefront. How has that affected both? You know the ability of nurses to to come and be fully invested in the work and and also how has it affected their their home life balance and their ability to make sure that that folks are still taking care of at home is really a challenge for the nurse and the good thing about nurses is we are able to put behind the back burner if you will when we come to work because when we come to work. Our focus is different. We focus on our patients. Because that's what we do and also for a lot of our nurses you know spouses and partners are for load so that childcare is there you know is available but again you know the constant worry about What am I bringing home to my family? If I'm not well protected at work. So that's another challenge that we are faced with every day. I I can't imagine that anxiety. One of the things that we're seeing is that our healthcare system is just absolutely crumbling Through this pandemic I mean we've got heroes people like you in in in nurses all over the country and Doctors and hospital but the institutions themselves are being waylaid by this because of the fact that the main income stream that hospitals rely on our the elective surgeries that they've had to cancel because of Colvin nineteen and are struggling under the need to be able to provide more supplies in inadequate supply chains. What why in your mind is our healthcare system just so flat footed to this challenge and what needs to be done to address it. I'm really palled about our healthcare system. Because it's true that a lot of the institutions rely on elective surgeries to bring them the revenue but in a lot of cases our institutions are supported by prepaid insurance okay so whether patients use their so-called healthcare. They pay into the insurance. They pay their monthly premiums. What we need is really a true healthcare system. Where in the patient can have an easy access to health care and an early access to healthcare so that when they need care it's their the way we have it set up right now is if they need to go in to seek medical care they have to call and they have to be approved but if our patients have easy access and early. Assis then a lot of diseases and a lot of conditions could have been prevented early on so I would think that I understand that hospitals and institutions should be making money. It's their business but it should not be on the backs of our patients because our patients deserve healthcare and it's a human rights. Everybody deserves healthcare. True and genuine healthcare. And and again you know if we only had a medicare for all system that would allow everyone to have access to healthcare than a lot of the early debts. That was the CASA. Disband damage could have been prevented because if they were feeling ill they could have gone to the Emergency Room. But what stop them from. Doing that is a high. Er visit that. They have to pay you know. So that's that's a for a lot of our patients to seek medical help early on. It's it's really appalling. That America is one of the richest country in fact the richest country in the world cannot provide health care with for our patients and for everybody. I want to ask you. How can people help right now? What are the things that as a nurse on the phone lines? You want people to know about what they can do to help right now. We have an ongoing online petition. Which is Nurse protect nurses that ORG and it has over for about a quarter million signatures and we urge People listening to please sign onto it because it contains strip additions. I it a a petition to the American Hospital Association so that when nurses speak out about the lack of B. B. E. or infractions about infection control in their facilities. There should be no retaliation from the hospital industry and then the second one is a addition to Congress than they should sign or release an emergency protection for those of US nurses in the frontline workers that there should be protection for us in the third petition. That's part of. It is for the president to eat to fully invoke the the DEEPA which is that the fence protection production act that would require all local manufacturers to start making all the protective personal protective equipment that we need such as masks gowns gloves and even bunny suits. That would protect us in order for us to safely take care of our patients. It was done. I think it was invoked during World War. Two and it should be done now. I mean this is like a war that we do not know who our enemies you know and so it should be done because we've had so many debts so many senseless deaths that have been happening and that's not acceptable Zanny. We really really appreciate you your time your perspective and we're grateful and listeners. Who Want to support our nurses on the front lines Should go to pre- protect nurses dot. Org make sure signed the petition And get behind our nurses who are You know so important on the front lines. Because they're the ones who get behind us when we get sick. So thank you so much time. I really really appreciate it. It was a privilege speaking with you today. Thank you for having me well. Both Jason Ends any reminded us is that we are nowhere near done with cove in nineteen as hard as this is as nice as the weather is and as much as we wish. It weren't the case but I want to end today on a positive note graduates all over. The country celebrated their achievements. This past weekend it was bittersweet as they had to forego the usual pomp and circumstance of graduation but they are a reminder that there's a future after this but we have to build it. Here's America's Dad Tom. Hanks in a virtual commencement speech. Sometime we all remain good Americans you will continue on into the after as and that was after the virus was taking you'll have made it through the time the great sacrifice great need and no one will be more fresh to the task of restarting our measure of normalcy. Then you you chosen ones and the future is always uncertain but we celebrate what you have done. Who celebrate all of your achievements? We are certain of one on this day. You will not let us down if you'd like to support or leading the fight to support our most vulnerable during this pandemic donate to crooked. Media's Corona Virus Relief Fund at crooked dot com slash corona virus. We'll see you on Friday with another update. America dissected is a product of crooked media. 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What America's Biggest Nursing Union Wants

What Next | Daily News and Analysis

18:19 min | 4 months ago

What America's Biggest Nursing Union Wants

"Off Quick note at the top of the show. We're recording this remotely and the sound quality may not be what it is in the studio when I asked any. Cortez why she wanted to be a union leader very direct answer. I I've always been somebody who would say something if I see something that needs to be said Zinni. Cortez is the CO president of National Nurses United the largest nurses Union country represents about one hundred fifty thousand workers right now. She has something to say. I want to be the voice for those nurses who do not have the courage or who are intimidated by management and the Union. It has allowed me to speak out without fear of retaliation because I have a union an organization that will back me up for telling the truth over her. Four decades spent his nurse. Xeni has seen her fair share of outbreaks. But never anything like this. It's not the pandemic that shocks her but the way she and her colleagues have been asked to approach it and the way they've been punished for trying to take matters into their own hands. Some of our supervisors in our managers have threatened suspension or even termination if we brought our own protective equipment so we held public information rallies and we did a media campaign to say. You know if you're not able to provide us with what we need then we will buy our own and let us do what. Then he's seen the news around the country of hospital skimping on nurses being like oh suspended week in Camden County. A nurse at virtual bore. He's hospital sent home for wearing an n ninety five masks that she brought from home. That nurses now been fired. Don this March twenty fourth shift brief from Saint Joseph's women's hospital part of Baker instructs employees. They should not be wearing masks or gowns. A not taking care of an isolation patient no exceptions Baker tells Senate. Many many Americans are not working right now but for those who are workers at Fast Food Restaurants Transit Agencies. Insta- Card Amazon. It's been an unexpected moment for labour organizing and that's because workers feel vulnerable attack. This is starting to spill into the public eye as we watch working conditions for nurses across the country deteriorate according to Bloomberg there are even grumblings about unionization among hostile doctors. A group that's typically identified more with management. It's interesting I don't think people think of hospitals as being a typical workplace with a typical labor management structure. In the same way you would think of a factory floor or something like that you know. It's really interesting. Because before the the pandemic the public saw you as the nurse and they did not see the the labor side of being a nurse when at some point in the past when we went out for a strike people saw us as saying you are a professional slat. Why are you striking interesting? But we continue to educate and tell the people tell the public that we are out here really for for the public because for the community because we are fighting for better working conditions so that we will be better able to take care of you so I think the public does not did not see the labor aspect of being a nurse and I think would what's going on now that they're starting to see the real world of nurses lurking in the hospital of how it is with nurses at the center of the Krona Virus Response Nursing. Unions are more active than it's easy to think of health care. Workers is one big group but hospitals workplaces. They have labor and they have management right now. Labor is not happy today on. What NEXT JAIME? Cortez explains why a crisis is the right time for nursing unions to stand up for their rights. I'm Henry Crowbar filling in for Mary Harris. Stay with us. This episode of what next is brought to you by the relentless a new podcast from sleet studios and century. Twenty one real estate. The relentless is about extraordinary people and the mindsets and behaviors drive them to achieve inspiring things. Join host and doctor of clinical psychology. Julie Gerner I. She talks to leaders like entrepreneur and author of radical candor. Kim Scott as well as sports executive Andrew Brandt about what sets them apart. And how they've you success differently you'll hear about with learned about triumph and rejection and they continue to evolve listen and subscribed the relentless today wherever you get your podcasts back. In January national nurses united joined with colleagues abroad to write a letter to the World Health Organization. That letter is any fellow nurses asked. Who for guidelines to treat the corona virus? It was new then. It wasn't even a public health emergency according to the W. H. O. They waited and waited but didn't get a response. Does any that? Lack of response wasn't surprising. Unfortunately maybe because the nursing profession is majority are women perhaps dismissed it like a bunch of men whining and complaining. Do you feel like that. Has that been something that you've felt historically as a nursing union leader that that nurses are are treated differently because it it tends to be a majority female profession. I guess I do believe that. That's the case. If you look at the firefighters and the police force they do have presumptive eligibility that anything that they acquire it is something to to say that they acquired it on the job. If firefighter contracts cancer lung cancer resumed that he got it from working as a firefighter. I'm not condoning that they should not be getting it. I'm happy for them that they have it. But nurses as a profession do not have presented eligibilities presumptive eligibility determined. Had to look up but in practice. It's pretty simple in California. Resenting works as a nurse cops and firefighters get workers comp for illnesses or injuries. They might have picked up on the job without proof. Nurses do not and right now more than ever. That doesn't seem fair. Yes and for a long time. They've always been called the first responders. Healthcare workers have not been considered first responders until this happened. I WANNA go Back a moment. How long have you been a nurse? Any over four decades before decades. Wow so you've seen I imagine you've seen all kinds of stuff in the hospital i. I'm wondering how this is different from the perspective of a caregiver. So if I may share resumes when the AIDS epidemic started in the late seventies early eighties would come in with ads the diagnosis of fever and with unknown origin. So they don't know where the feeder fee fever high fever came from and back to the days. If you have a fever you will be admitted to the hospital for observation. That in itself started with the younger generation. It was alarming. Why's it that certain population are being hit with with that kind of diagnosis? And you're you know people acted people in position meaning the World Health and the CDC they acted promptly and looked into it and back then hostile administration allowed the frontline workers especially as nurses do use professional judge vid. Meaning we were non stop from using gloves. Were not stopped from using masks. We were not stopped from using gowns when we saw we needed to use it to take care of the patient this time around organizations like the W. H. O. and the C. have been way behind. The ball and hospitals have used their guidance sent nurses to work unprepared. Even as protocol has evolved. Us Hospitals Have Been Both Well Known Pee pee shortage to ask nurses to reuse gloves and gowns. What Illinois Hospital told nurses to where the same n? Ninety five mask until it literally fell apart hospital in the Bronx at the New York Yankees to donate pinstripe. Rain Ponchos does that situation in the hospitals stem from the national shortage of P. P. E. personal protective equipment or is that more related to decisions. That are being made by individual hospital managers. Okay so I think it's both both reasons the two reasons that he just but coming from where I am. There's a lot of PPE's that are available. I mean some of our nurses bought masks on Amazon. So while it's there but I think it comes from them. You know the standpoint of how much money I would be willing to spend disant administrator talking. So you're saying the administrators think. Well there are masks out there. I could buy them but they're really expensive right now and I'm not sure this is necessary. That's that's my point. But it's so infuriating and I am like loss for words because and talk to you right now. I'm crying because this is so frustrating Did she not happen? We've lost so many nurses not just the US by our colleagues from around the world lives have been lost over this because we're being told there's no enough PPE's that's available but let's use what we have now do not hoard them. That's allow the frontline workers to use it then. Hopefully it will not spread because we are being protected only L. We could be vectors right. This then he says is where the Union comes in national. Nurses United has helped protests outside of hospitals. It says are putting workers at risk. Its members feel empowered to talk to local TV reporters and the Union has even produced ads. Our healthcare system is not equipped to handle the club in nineteen crises. Dead Ministration could have prepared months ago. America will soon be open for business hostile of industries that about patient care about profits so now nurses like me take the biggest risks and it's going to impact you asked for hospital executives. They say national nurses United is exploiting a crisis for example. Al Paso Las Palmas. Del Sole put out a statement saying the National Nurses Union is trying to use this crisis to advance. Its own interest organizing more members and then in Las Vegas Had Mountain View. Hospital said this is not a time to create conflict and dissension within healthcare organizations. What do you say to people who come at nurses and at the union with that criticism that this is not the right time? Well you know speaking because you need proper. Protective equipment does not need the right time. You say it if it's not there it doesn't pick and choose which time you will do it and I'm I'm really very frustrated with those hospitals because there was no work stoppage those rallies were were held dis- couple hours and the nurses who were out there telling. The public were not working nurses and stopped working to go out to protest right so there was not work stoppage. And if they're saying that we are creating conflict the conflict has always been there. The conflict has always been there before all this national nurses united pushed for changes in patient ratio. How many nurses to a patient in a hospital? California changed its laws. Accordingly and other states are working on it to a big win for them during this pandemic came when California agreed to rent hotel rooms for healthcare workers. That means nurses don't have to worry they're taking the virus home between shifts still. I wondered how many of the things the union is fighting for. We'll ask beyond this moment. So many of these changes seem very specific to the crisis. We're in right now whether it's about the Wearing the masks when dealing with the patients or having accommodations that are separate from family. When you're working. Are there changes you see coming around? That will improve conditions for nurses in the long term in a way that goes beyond. What's happening right now I'm hoping that that would be the case but I'm thinking that hospitals are crying poor design and so many times but now more than ever because they claim that they had been spending way too much money on things associated with corona virus. So unthinking ahead that they will say they're very very poor because the budget or the money that they have in the coffers have been spent on this condemning. Here's the thing will. It's definitely a busy time. For some nurses Dicey Moment for the profession doctors offices or clinics have been furloughed laid off and rural hospitals deprived of revenues from. Postponed elective surgeries. Going bankrupt. Nurse jobs are disappearing now and anything. That will be one of the first things to get cut. When the pandemic ends Penn Democrats any hopes hospitals will be ready for the next time around. We could have prepared for this a long time ago but hospitals do not want to spend on something that they might or may not use in the future so they need to be prepared with whatever comes just like for the nurses we go to the hospital not knowing what's in store for us on our shift but we are prepared to face it so they should be. The same hospital should be the same. Spend the money on something that could be prevented from happening in future Well then thank you so much for taking a minute to chat with us. I really appreciate it. Thank you thank you so much. Cortez is the CO president of National Nurses United and an RN at Kaiser. Permanente South San Francisco Medical Center. That's the show. The what next team wants to thank you for calling us and leaving messages and how you're getting through this very strange period. Here's one the really warmed our hearts. I just this Jenny as colleagues from Bergen County New Jersey. I'm nurse and I see you just listened to your about When your doctor guests she really spoke to me like when I travel to park people weren't in the profession knows they really don't get it and I feel pretty alone but when I must be for her contest as your phone from thank you. Been listening to your podcast. Dumb everyday's So I think you appreciate it a pay. Our number is two. Oh two eight twenty five. Eighty eight your voicemail. Could afford my reporting or be on the show so give us a ring. Thanks for listening. I'm Henry Gra bar and I'll be back here tomorrow. Remember to social distance.

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Frenemies: Whats Ailing Israel-EU Relations?

The Tel Aviv Review

38:54 min | 3 months ago

Frenemies: Whats Ailing Israel-EU Relations?

"This is one the Tel Aviv review. Hello and welcome to the Tel Aviv. Review I'm Dahlia Shenlin. Every week we talk about books research and other things that we find fascinating and topical as always you can of course support us by going to till V one dot. Fm Slash Tel Aviv review and becoming a patron. Little goes a long way for us. This episode is sponsored by the German government. Germany will be holding the presidency of the second half of two thousand twenty and with their generous support. The Tel Aviv review will be holding a series examining Israel's relationship with e you in the European countries and to this end we are happy to host our guest today. Who's Dr Mayer Seon Kio? She's an adjunct lecturer at the European Studies Graduate Program for European Forum at the Hebrew University of Jerusalem and the EU studies program at Tel Aviv. University she's also CO president of the Israeli Association for the Study of European integration. Andy Director of the program on Israel your relations at the Muslim Institute for Regional Foreign Policies. We'll be discussing her paper entitled European Parliament and Israeli elections. What impact and effect on e- You? Israeli relations was presented at the E. P. N. annual conference in July last year in Brussels and other works as well of hers and of the broader themes in general. Dr Meyers Kio. Hello and welcome to the Tel Aviv. Review with you. So let's start by you. Know a general question perhaps. Perhaps the dumb question who knows dumb question Who compared to other non member states on a scale of one to ten? How how healthy would you say is relationship between Israel and the okay so like a good Isreaeli or perhaps a Jew person your question has can be answered into a different answers and we should divide the relations between Israel and the European Union to two parts of their general ones economic? Ones are doing very well. We are Upn Union is the major trading partner office. Ron and this is really very important. part of Israel's economy but on the political sides from historical perspective we have known many ups and downs and during the last decade we have seen Quite a downturn in Israeli relations. It's a serious one and I guess that we can elaborate further when we talk about it. Yeah let's start by going a little bit further back. Tell us something about the history of the relationship between Israel and the EU in its earliest days You know when it was first formed in the nineteen fifties Based on on trade associations what can you tell us about how that relationship has evolved? What did these different entities Want from one another so. I think it's important maybe to begin by understanding that both Israel and European Union Union are sort of miracles and very interesting and fascinating entities created as a result of world role to so Israel I guess would not have been founded without The Shaw and roll too but also the European Union is is a direct creation of the antagonism and the fear and the great hatred between Germany and France. And this is. This was actually the solution to the German problem in the midst of Europe But even though that both those entities were created by the experiences of world world. They are actually. They took two very very dissimilar positions so while Israel is very much a national state and has created itself as a a new national Jewish state. The European Union has dried to create itself as a supranational states Actually tried to decrease nationalism maybe to get rid of the by affects the negatively by affects the nationalism head in the European continent while Israeli dried Very much to build its army with the European Union built was Very much lasting peace system to Israel may not by choice but heads to act in a very military way towards its name its neighbors and the European Union Maybe took the lessons from the bust and change its off dramatically from a very a continent of two thousand years of words of wars to continental piece and a- built a lasting peace System so I think it's really interesting to look at those two entities and see how different they are ready. Both are founded on democratic Principles on the rule of law on the attempts to To build themselves also on the respect for human rights and civil rights so they have common Basis and the very different also out other these major differences that you're describing are they a what accounts for that the acrimonious relationship. That you're touching acrimony. That's a big word. I think my use the word in your paper that the relationships are in the doldrums. Now or stagnant. Which is it are these relations really in such a bad way right now or the acrimonious or are they just stuck It depends on the period where you look within the last decade. I would use those germs So they are in the dodd rooms. Very high highest political Levin meaning the Prime Minister in Israel the foreign minister if had one or one if we have one they do if we ever have one year. Hopefully we'll have one but we didn't have such an active for minister until recently and the prime minister itself took the part the position and in the last decade whether we had the foreign minister or not We almost stopped meeting one another So in that sense the highest level of political relations are in the room They are not cream on us to some extent Again when we are talking about the peace process about the political issues that had to do with that with the linkage policy that the EU established a link between how further Israel and the Palestinians are advancing in the peace process and the If there is a advancements in this peace process than the EU can advance its relations with Israel so the EU created this linkage pharmacy. That has actually made the Israeli ill relations stop but now I want to restate. I WANNA RESTATE. Gould's question because I kind of overshadowed but it's an important question. Do you think that the you know this linkage policy which is a form of tension between the to do its roots? Go back to the differences that you described to some extent yes to some extent. Yes if we look at the European Union as a of peace and this is one of its main values that it would like to reinforces much as as much as possible outside of the EU. Then I think this is a desperation of the European Union to also see peace between Israel and the Palestinians and to that extent. I think it is willing to go to quite a further Far extent with relations with this one and to put it under the Palestinian Israeli peace process. But but I'd like to ask conversely perhaps as a devil's advocate here if you know about the linkage policy that really prevents the EU from deepening its relations with Israel until a breakthrough. Some sort of progress in the is reached in the Israeli Palestinian peace process if the U. is already Israel's Major biggest trade partner. What interest is there? What incentive is the for for Israel to follow up on the linkage Policy if there's I mean there's only there's no sticks here just carrots but I want. I know this is the second time I'm piling onto question but I think to help people to help me understand that question. Can you give us some of the background to the other side of Israel e you relationship and what's going well because there is a parallel track that seems to be going swimmingly and that's economic track and the trade track which you mentioned briefly but maybe you can expand on why we're in this situation where the two tracks aren't totally aligned and then we will be able to get to this devil's advocate. Excellent take us Way And it'd be back from historical perspective and review the relations. We can review already more than sixty years of straight between Israel and the European Community. So before the was. European Union the was a European Community and Israel was actually the third country in the world to recognize this special entity the European Community and from the beginning Israel Israeli government wanted trade relations very advanced straight relations with the European Community and the European Community community was very reluctant to give those advanced relationship. tweets route so Israel asked for an association agreement and the European Community was not willing to give those to Israel until nineteen ninety five so Forty Thirty or forty years later and that was for political reasons or just because Israel wasn't ready yet sort of in its infrastructure of the of the economy. I think that the OPN community was not willing so much to give. That was one one of the highest statues That European community could give a foreign country Any was preserved for the closest neighborhoods for the closest countries to the European Community. So it was not willing so much to give it a very willingly to other countries that are further away not in Europe etcetera so at the beginning for example. Greece received the Association. Now staffed with Israel had to wait Quite a lot of years until it received it and that was on in the ninety S. So what happen that? Israel did sign economic treaty with the European Community at the sixties. It was very insignificant. The most significant of economic agreement even signed was in nineteen seventy five. That was a free trade agreement And then there was a period of that. Nothing happens until nineteen ninety-five where Israel signed the Association Agreement. Now what is an association agreement? This is it includes a much more advanced free-trade agreement and many other items on the Agreements that can open the goes Asians on different policy fields. So it can open negotiations on advancing the service Between Israel and the European Union. It has a political dialogue article within. Its establishing irregular unwound political dialogue at the highest levels of the European Union and Israel at ministerial level. It has subcommittees has many many options within it that Israel and the European Union can advance their relations so it's not just an economic agreement and that that is still the most advanced Treaty Israel and the European Union has signed now. It is more than thirty years. Old Right We would have expected Something new by now It's nothing agreement that Israel signed with the European Union. Yeah tell us about some of the more recent ones exactly. So one of the things that the Actually will I have to make some links between the economic advancement and the Political situation in the area so when the also a process goes on and there are agreements being signed with the Palestinian Authority than the European Union opens its gates to Israel and this is the background for the signing of the Association Agreement and has also The opening for Israel for example to join the research programme being dealt by the European Union which is the biggest research program in the world as twenty twenty now according to rise twenty twenty which is about to end this year in twenty twenty and in twenty twenty one is about to be called Horizon Euro so from ninety six already northern twenty years now each one has been part of these research program And every seven years. Also it's renews its membership in the Research Program of the European Union and has made a lot of Advancement in his made a lot of gains research gains partnerships knowledge research basis that as in other issues by the agreement And it was the first non-european country to be included in the research program off the European Union so that was a major achievement. Office Royal And those are the high days off the ninety s where Israel European relations really making good progress and we I think it's a win win. Situation Right Win. The European Union gains these really Sort of beginning of the startup nation. an advancement in Israel is is gaining access to many facilities of research in Union. Okay so so. Let's go back to my question. Pa- perhaps a jump the gun It sounds like a very sweet deal so really what's What's really Israel? Losing from the Implementations of English policy of you know what what has been prevented from Israel due to that. What has been prevented is actually advancing relations server for example. So I'm getting in there. At the Association Agreement is more than thirty years old. We can renew it. Nowadays the European Union signs partnership rarities agreements it signs deepen comprehensive free trade agreements assigned different trade agreements and and not only straight women's is sort of mixed agreements with other countries. Signed a few years ago a very advanced trade agreement with Canada for example but Israel is not able to advance any sort of negotiation on on the new agreement with the European Union I would say it since two thousand thirteen so we have signed In the until two thousand thirteen we have signed new agreements and that is the open skies. Agreement for example is his made a lot of advantage in tourism especially if the outgoing tourism from Israel to Europe by signing this open skies jump in and say that has put money in the pocket of every Israeli who can travel abroad at much Much more reasonable expense absolutely and think about you know. Also the edit value of the image of fewer of once you've toured Europe and you've tasted it and you want to go back and you know you having a good time in Europe so that's also good image of Europe in these rallies minds So what about the the cross-border cooperation agreement of December? Two thousand seventeen. Can you tell us about that? This is actually very small agreement. It's not very significant has a few million euros Think about eighty million euros to advance these folks Buckets but the point is there have been other kinds of small agreements signed in recent years. Israel has the basic agreement it may not have updated it but the U U. is still a massive trading partner. I want to go back to the question of the linkage policy. That has been trying to get at how Israel actually suffering from this and I will go further because you you right in the paper that Israel sees the linkage policy as an unprecedented double standard. Can you tell us why Israel sees it that way? Maybe you also see it that way. Why is this double standard? Which part of it is a double standard? Well it's the computer. The relations with Israel to the e relations with other European neighbourhood countries and European Neighbourhood Countries. Meaning the wants to the southern parts of the European Union sober even start with Morrocco Tunisia Algeria Libya Egypt etc going through eastward authority Jordan and going to the north to Syria. Which doesn't really have rations with the European Union and into the eastern part of the European Union so crane in this region. And if you all those countries that are sixteen countries in this European neighbourhood policy that the EU created a Belk in two thousand in this reinfore. And if you compare the relations between the EU and those countries To what Israel has been has achieved. You would see that for example E- You and miracle has Our Negotiation Negotiating Partnership Royal Jews. There are negotiating a comprehensive free trade area. This is not going on with Israel now. Israel is the most advanced economic country over those sixteen countries it is democratic established democratic country The rule of law has many advantages. Force it has the political conflict with deeply seniors and every patient assets. But if you take Morioka for example Marocco also has an occupation status with regards to Western Sahara and it goes back to nineteen seventy nine if I remember correctly. Nine hundred seventy five six but as looking back if you compare Morocco. In those two senses two countries one is democratic very economic economic advanced and the other one is not democratic less economically advanced but both are occupying countries The EU is treating Israel very differently than interest Morocco. There is noting conspiracy to Morocco. There is hardly any differentiation policy with local. So why is the European Union tweeting Israel differently than it's tweeting other countries? That are internationally. Wait by by international law. They are being considered As occupying countries. But I want to point out that in the paper you yourself wrote that the European Court of Justice has issued two separate rulings against Morocco because of Western Sahara saying that there are territorial restrictions on all e U agreements with Morocco for that very reason the UK has also had similar legal debates. So why I mean and but then you say that. That's an example of the double standard so I was not clear on that. It seems like that's a judgment against Morocco so very same in a very similar way to the different really good questions. I to begin with with the Brita ruling in two thousand and ten that was the first ruling the European Court of just dealing with the question of differentiation policy whether the European Union should charge customs or Have the products are being exported from these really occupied territories to the European Union to the charge customs not short custom because if we have free trade agreement than Where does this agreement apply? Does it apply only within his Israel in the sixty seven border or does it also includes the occupied territories. Now Israel thinks it's it's includes the occupied territories the European Union things know. Israel is only within the sixty-seven new borders so in that sense products. Going out of the occupied territories should pay customs went once they reached the European Union and this was an issue between the European Union in Israel. This was not an issue between the European Union and Morocco only until the judgment in the Brita case that said that Israel is the occupied territory. Products made by in these settlements has to pay customs. Damage was the police. Daria Movement in Morocco itself set went to the European Court of Justice to have the same treatment applied to Morocco. And they got it and they got it to some extent not not extend so the European port of Justice justified. Its position differently in the Moroccan case. And we're not going to go into the details was really very also teric. But I do think there's if you zoom out cheese all different they think if Marocco a different treatment and the Western Sahara was Gra given different treatment So there is until now. The gap is narrowed. Still some double tree right but I mean zooming out. I don't WanNa get into every single crazy detail but and trust me. There are lots of them. But if you zoom out and you look at another country that we didn't mention which is also very close to the European zone and physically closer Serbia. They also face conditionality policy on the part of the EU in their more advanced You negotiations which is that. They have to move ahead on advancing conflict resolution with Kosovo now again. Their situation is different but in a broader sense don't we see a consistency ultimately of the e U saying. If you're if you want to be closer to our zone you have to advance our values of peace which you said it was one of the roots of the establishment of the U. Yes I mean you you can say that you see that there is some sort of align and you can also go to the case of fresh. Shaw and Green and the Crimea region. So and there you have sanctions from the EU ON RUSSIA BECAUSE SALTY. A you know a two thousand fourteen invasion to the me every two so absolutely. I mean we are definitely in the midst of of of the spectrum of the options. The Repeal Union can have and can apply to third countries. But I think here Israel has all the time felt that the European Union is a lot of emphasis during the European Parliament's discussions in the Four in the first meeting for example during the floor and the First Council of Ministers meetings that at least until a decade ago and. I remember a friend's diplomats Israeli diplomats friends in in Brussels. Saying you know I don't understand. How come they talk about? Israeli Palestinian conflict fourth eighty percent of the time of some of the meetings we have many conflicts in the Middle East and this is not equal not getting equal treatment through my the the question about the linkage policy. Here at this broader question that deserves to be asked is that I'm guessing that the reason for the new policy is to apply pressure to use it as leverage on Israel to advance the peace process right and but but but the but the result is is the opposite right. It's been styming any sort of Deepening of the of the relations between the EU and his red rather than doing the opposite. And maybe it also leads me to a even a broader question which is why has the EU been so ineffectual in playing Active a major role diplomatically not noticed between the Israelis and Palestinians four Israel in general especially in relation compared to the United States and even other countries like Russia. So the there are actually two two questions here that I would like to address and the first one is that I would like also to step to stress that since two thousand thirteen there is no association council meeting between Israel and the European Union so while the Association Agreement from ninety five established a political dialogue and the was in the treaty. There is an article saying that the ministers should meet once a year and they have met some other than twelve th. They have met regularly in two thousand thirteen because of a different decision of the European Union. That we haven't discussed so far the guidelines Eastbound decide to doesn't want to meet the European Union moment doesn't want to hold in the Association Council and since two thousand and thirteen. We didn't have any association council and now that has actually become the E. U. Decision not to renew association. It's not Israel decision while with Morocco or with other countries it still maintains this association council meetings at so the political dialogue in the highest levels between Israel between Saudi Arabian Union and the rest of the countries they neighborhood countries and it doesn't exist with Israel so that is a shame Now with regards to the European Union Why why why does the U been so unable to play a more active role in in diplomatically and especially on the peace process? I would has any of this. Had the intended effect of helping Israel get back to a peace process? And if not why not so a first? The European Union is not significant partner in the peace process between the Israeli in the placebo. Once once we headed as such a process because Israel doesn't want to play a role because for a very long time and I'm talking about decades and at least from the nineteen eighties and even beforehand that Israel sees the European Union is a biased Player which is broken a stadium and anti Israeli maybe not anti-israeli but definitely much more pro Palestinian than pro Israel and is that true or is that just an image worded it start. I mean you said in the nineteen eighties but why it started the nineteen eighties. Specifically because of the Venice Declaration vans declaration is Let let let me just one paragraph before the events creation Because we have to look at the European Union and what it is so the European began as a coal and steel community it developed into a single market and then in the nineteen seventies. We have an interesting development with the member. States are trying to establish a political corporation and this political cooperation is dealing with foreign policy issues if the member states and there are nine member states at the seventy s including the United Kingdom Denmark and Ireland If those countries can agree on a common position than they have a common policy foreign policy and they one of their major successes since the nineteen seventies is to such combed position on the Israeli Palestinian conflict and the nine hundred. Nineteen Eighty Venice. Declaration is one of the major I think Phrasing of the policy of the European Union to these Lesean conflicts and this is gone throughout the years. This is more than forty years later. That we are still hearing. Upn Union repeating the Venice Declaration meaning two states for two people so the European Union such as it was declared their support for two states for two people in one thousand. Nine hundred eighty. Yeah and that's groundbreaking for the Israeli years at a time when nobody in Israel talking about two states and I can tell you from public opinion survey offer you sure and public opinion. The idea of a Palestinian state next to Israel was practically anathema. Is the surveys from that time. We're talking about you know at at and probably eighty to ninety percent against exactly. It wasn't even really even tested in that way. So this is quite radical to really ears at the time. It exactly so The reaction by Menachem begging the prime minister of Israel to the vans declaration was extremely harsh. Really he was repeating words like Europe Rebecca the days of the s you know the Nazis references And really harsh diplomatic reaction to the Venice declaration by Menachem Begging and I think since then The public image of the European Union in Israel has been negative as a biased opelousas. Tinian entity that actually advance a solution. That was not on the table. It was not endangered national table to a great extent. Okay but now. It is so why hasn't got image. Why hasn't that image chain because now it is and it has been since the nineteen nineties? Roughly let's say officially from the year two thousand. Why has the image of the European Union not kind of improved in Israel given that paradigm that original sin has become much more accepted? I would say that he's has has improved in the ninety s when this was the state of the Union in Israel as well when the peace process was advancing when when the was at the season majority nowadays in Israel for two state solution. But it's much less talked about so in the nine hundred. Ninety s the image of European Union. The in Israel was much more positive than it is today and I was like amazed actually to see In the midst. Vm Institute unwell poll of Foreign Policy in two thousand nineteen only twenty seven percent of Israelis thought that the European Union is a friend forty five percent of Israelis thought. It was a full. Now that wasn't major improvement for from the two thousand eighteen code where only eighteen percent of Israelis thought the EU is a friend and sixty five percent of Israelis thought the EU is a full and that was a quite a shock for me to discover those numbers. I want I want to ask. Maybe a different you know looking at it from a different angle. Maybe this you know the situation which is clearly in shambles To what extent is it? Does it derive from structural issues from the fact that the European Union is like a semi Federation of Independent Nation states. Each enacting its own foreign policy whereas the trade policy is perhaps more centralized and more easily centralized then the foreign policy. Maybe that accounts for the the great discrepancy between the two might even be a kind of a confederation. Just have to put that in there. It's neither is definitely not a confederation but this neither a federation the EU is much more than an international organization. It's supranational organization but it's it's much less than state from any kind of the state and federal or confederate and there is no confederal state today But with going back to the trade agreement. This is an area and one of the very few areas where the European Union has Competence have exclusive competence in making those trade agreements so if Israel wants to sign a new trading agreements agreements. It cannot negotiated with France with Jim. Germany bilaterally no it has to go to the European Commission and that has to gain the approval of twenty seven member states so I wouldn't say that there is a league. Match between how further how warm the political atmosphere between Israel and the EU and how further our economic relations can advance on the league sense. Maybe I would say. Even I'd like to propose to you that maybe the economic side is so advanced and the diplomatic side not so much because essentially the E U is an economic body unless so political one. I think is more of a historical development. So the the the main argument would advance is that when the political relations are good than the economic relations are advancing and then these. Why can't take this advanced legal treaty that he has for example the association agreements and and build on the further on for a few more years even sometimes a couple of decades but when the political relations are deteriorating as we are now today we don't have the political wheel to advanced to further a much more advanced economic agreements? Okay but I I want to just try to I want to jump in specifically on that point. Why is the direction of influence not the opposite in other words if you say that the economic relations advance whenever the political relations go in a more you know unified direction towards peace. Why has that not acted as an incentive on Israel to say we could advance? Wonderful Economic Relations. They could be even better. We could have great relations with Western countries. And you've pointed out that there's kind of bi-polarity to Israel's attitude towards Europe. We kind of resent them. But Israel also sort of worship Syrup on some level and cultural level. Why has that not acted as an incentive for Israel to say let's move ahead and get this peace agreement over with we you know for years we used to say we all know what the solution is? We just need to get there. I'm not sure if that's still the case. But why do you think that direction of influence hasn't really borne out and we're going to have to try to use this as the wrap up question? I think I you know we need to for Django Israel. Has I think. Offer the lot of on the table with seniors. It was the Palestinians who declined. So perhaps we could have been different situations. If the placebo new sheep would have taken the agreements. The Israelis offer did several times And everything would have been different in this region So it's not only Israel that we need to look at. It's also listens Other than that. Israel does not want European Union to be a major player in the peace process itself. Again going back to the bias of this property. Indiana biased Is Much more the United States and this goes to the historical Maybe call the dissonance between Israelis and especially of course the Jews in Israel towards Europe. So that's a love hate relationship going on. And it's nothing similar to any relations that we have with any other continents It's Europe the Glorious and it's Europe the of course right so I think the level of feelings that we have whenever we hear as Israelis and Jews whenever he hear any criticism by the European Union regarding to Israel This is much more sensitive. This touches us in much sensitive place historically speaking than any other criticism that we will hear that we will take on its face value and also other countries. You're saying in a way because Israel also looks up to Europe so we take it more sensitively when we have this political criticism to some extent. But I think this is much more place where we treat Europe as Europe. The cursed Right so he's basically like give us your trade. Check your politics at the door. My Seo and this has been a wonderful conversation. Thank you for being on the show. Thank you and thank you to eat. 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Community 10: LinkedIn Local | Tamar Hela

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Community 10: LinkedIn Local | Tamar Hela

"This show is a production of migration media to learn more about us and see a complete list of our shows visit migration media dot net. Hello and welcome to pop abroad. I'm Michelle Bara. Your host. A California girl currently living in Shanghai China. So you've made the leap for maybe. You're considering it. I've been living abroad for ten years in South America Europe and Asia. And I WANNA help you navigate. The INS is an out of migrating to a new place season. One of pop abroad will be all about communities why we need them how we can use them to a comfortable in our adopted cities and how great community leaders make it all happen now. Let's get poppin all right. Welcome Tamar Tamar Hella. The CO president of linked local Shanghai. Thank you for joining pop abroad. Tell us tomorrow. How did you pop abroad Rod? ooh I like that. Thank you so much for having me. Well actually I've lived abroad before in Spain because I'm half Spanish wanted to explore for my roots in language and created like this addiction for me to keep going further for my homeland and see what else is out there. So now I'm in China Shanghai in there for over three years and actually it was intentional. Accidental I was teaching in California in two thousand sixteen in our school shutdown so it was the perfect segue to make big change and I came across opportunities opportunities in China. Hadn't even Sean. I was a new idea. That's going to say nobody knows but then yeah now here. I am over three years later. Thirteen really cool things. Tell us a little bit more about Spain in lower doing in Spain I actually. I went to Spain when I was eighteen on one of those his graduation trips around Europe again. If you're just not gap you're just a two week graduation present. When I got to Spain saying I thought I love this place you know having Spanish roots it really did something in my heart and I promised myself I would always always go back and study there? Lived there and then I ended up doing both so I I studied their mouths twenty three for like a intensive short-term program ramp at the University of Say and I loved it and I promise Nice Comeback Live there and I did so when I was twenty nine I was running on Mount publishing business and because I was a digital nomad at the time had the freedom and liberty to do that so I sold my car. I haven't had a car since two thousand fourteen my car and I- super minimize all my budget on my living expense. I was like really Frugal Frugal that year and made it work and so I lived there for a couple months with only spanish-speaking roommates in the cat only spoke spoke Spanish Heavy guns as a city about three hundred thousand people. There starbucks is only in the airport so everything everything else is really low. Glorious outgun sides of south very end of the year regions that still southeast still quite high but on a clear day. You can Z.. African coast across from the beach which is really cool. My elegant that was a big university. was there because I had been there before. Okay and I just I guess I I knew what to expect so I thought okay. If I'm a single woman going to live abroad by myself I'll start with something that's at least somewhat familiar. Unfamiliar Language and while it it really changed my perspective of everything living abroad and to be able to make it and survive and thrive really started my journey of Unit International. Yeah Silver I'm there. You're like all right. I'm done by California. Move on and then it was China or it was between Spain in China back to California. Because I didn't announce to everyone is pack. It was great because I think part of what also drove me to go to Spain was I was having a hard time saying no to different offers and and some of them are making money. Some of them weren't and it was really hard for me to Andre at that time of my life. So I had to literally physically be away Cetinje boundaries redefined my core values. Really get to know myself and then also decide who are not be as I was entering my thirds so once I think I was stronger in that area I kind of kept all those things close to my heart. Didn't announce to a lot of people in California Orna and I wasn't happy I knew a change was on the horizon but I went back to teaching which was where starting when I was eighteen when back to teaching which which really revived my spirits and that gave me that courage again to seek international opportunities. And when you came to China what was were you on a visa working me Sergey. Just come over here like give it a go math. How came like every other Lao? Why teaching English not going really good way to come the right? There are so many good school lesson train schools in say handle everything. I was working actually for Disney English. And they haven't amazing on boarding program on to handle all of these are hands. Were really health through the whole process so I learned a lot of what was the right way to do it. And I'm really grateful for that because now is my career as a volunteer. I'm a lot more aware than other. People may be because because they've had really interesting experiences were they transparent the visa process and yeah they were demanding. I came over with e Jeff which is another huge Global Training Academy Training School for English and they were also really good. They did all my Visa Sisto. They pick it up with the Airpor- to tweak on boarding for hotel walls. I can imagine Disney English's similar but the pay for our English teachers was very low compared to the international schools. I took an eight thousand dollars a year. Annual pay cut bought Latte from me knowing that the expenses here were less than California and knowing that other things were provided for me. I was going to be having having roommates to share some expenses. That definitely was a good compromise for me and then I knew that because I had a publishing business before anyone. Anyone thought we side-hustle when I was ready. Yes Yeah Disney English thurgood launchpads. Absolutely because Shanghai has so much opportunity. Yeah it's a great place to start. I don't think I can't even imagine the turnover rate at these places. It is insane but you know what they are. Good large companies urbanized places to start. Yep some people stay with them for years and years and years they do of course Disney both have very strong brands. And you know if you like it or like the structure or whatever. You have an opportunity to stay longer. so yeah if it works for you if you're into corporate red education. Those are two huge companies so let's get into the community. Linked in local is it on behalf of Lincoln in Dot Com linked in global. Can you tell us a little bit about you. Know How you got started with it and how it is part of the Lincoln brand. Yes so I think I think like most people Nowadays you know everyone kind of trees Linden as a professional facebook so maybe you updated every few you here is when you're looking for a job or if you are service based or products based business may be updated more often because it's is just another Internet real estate piece for people to land on but last year I went to a luncheon learns session at American American Chamber of Commerce and met this awesome guy named Ryan Perky. And he's an American. He does lots of different trainings but he that day was training joining us about optimizing nearly ten profile and I thought okay you know my boss wants me to go to this. Let's figure it out could be a good channel for us. And Wow I learned I. I learned so much but I still don't understand the power so then actually our our company hired this Guy Ryan as a consultant from Acton and and he was teaching me all kinds of things ins and outs all the bells and whistles. no-one knows alien got to experiment with running ads for business all kinds of cool stuff content creation and because I have a background in education creating curriculum and a background in publishing using headed Toria. Calendars founders is totally right up alley. I loved it so as I began to understand how powerful it is. I came across this Hashtag latent local. The Thought Hunt K.. That's interesting and after some further digging. I found that it was Lincoln's longest running campaign started just Biden Linden user so it wasn't something affiliated with Lincoln at the time I was just a passion project but this passion project turned out to the this huge now global campaign so right now it's in over ninety countries over six hundred cities around the world while it's amazing and the the idea is to take your online connections to offline especially locally so that you can connect with people and have a better sense of purpose when you're networking like not networking to network. But it's learning about the face behind the profile so it creates these deeper earning for relationships so last June I interviewed with the founder. And I couldn't believe there is no one residing presiding over Shanghai like what on Earth so of course I took the opportunity and now over a year later I have a CO president. You sharing the duties with me. We have a team of including US six people and where we're doing all kinds of different things around the city We have almost. She hasn't members now which is wow. I didn't expect that especially Ed doing it by myself. scale by myself so it's really cool to see my my dreams coming to life end recently this summer the lengthen local community. I think mostly European. US just had unlinked in local global conference which was quite successful and because we're growing so much linked in for sick notice. I was like hey guys. So where officially governed by them. Now we have guidelines and Yeah hopefully here in China were getting in China more involved in what we're doing that's amazing. Six hundred cities like that is pretty great. How can you elaborate a little bit more on your team and held it held that has spanned your growth? Like you were saying. Can you give us a little more details so I I took on a the good friend. Julian cards. He's a professor of entrepreneurship. A French business school here and he also is a fulltime entrepreneur and and our skill sets really complement. One another so just the different ideas we bring to. The table helped with strategy helped with growth helped with the long term of plans for this community and then once we sat kind of our own. KPI's objective says. We knew that we needed a community manager. We also have a graphics and creative manager which is so important when you're advance visual identity is very. It's super important with building anything business again or anything product exactly and then we have A photographer because we need someone to document the social -ocial proof right on a community of course and then we have some other like assistance to help us with various various things that we do with the community building teams within communities Super Key superheated growing in Amin. You can't do everything by yourself. That's that's the whole purpose sake and I think a lot of communities that start with just one manager it gets lonely and it's not easy I mean what were some of is your personal struggles being a community or being the president to begin with yourself. How how the happen first of all it was maintaining consistency? I definitely didn't have events every month. That was more every other mon for a few during a particular seasons the next was at getting the right people to come in speak. It's much more powerful when you have a team. So you have a larger network people to pull from but also to buy my south is still basically creating the the social proof because nobody really knew who I was and I was still learning the INS announce of Lyndon but also this link dental thing worked and I was really following other hosts in presidents of local chapters ars through Linden to see what they were doing so I of course experimenting to and when you're in a phase of experimentation it's a great learning tool full but then you have to shift at some point and really think long-term sin now having a team provides more stability ability especially for me mentally tripled quadrupled my network really so the power of numbers cannot be underestimating motivating motivating haunt ability accountability People that are relying on you to lead them definitely agree king. What about a Lincoln global do they give you resources? You were saying that now that you're part of the global brand. Do they help. How do they help so at least in itself is more laws fair at least in the US? Maybe more Europe allegations that they're aware device a support us. But you know if they wanted to take away they could. So there's always this but I think because we're all playing nicely nicely by the rules in the branding guidelines. It's not an issue. So what they do is they gave us like a a pdf with some guideline this the Nissen. Now here's the logos to us. You know please make sure you save this data and that's pretty much because also tutors. In addition addition to lead them local. There's already so many trainers in Jackson Gurus who who train about lengthen and they're not leading employees but it's just similar to people teaching about facebook ads or twitter hacking experts in the business. That's on the back but maybe more community based yeah. So what are some of the events that you've been doing lately to connect the community offline. Yes so most of them are just like a special Sean Working Event and I found when I was in my experimental phase when I brought on an expert in a certain area who gave their best practices about being ten. That was lane. Were interesting to the community. And then I had a venue partnership with American Chamber of Commerce so the venue he was provided in their support for people to register. Check can on a great stuff so that was a big help when the community was growing because we started to average like seventy or eighty people in event awhile. That's you're by yourself. This is when you're by yourself is by myself so now we're basically the following a similar structure by what we're doing is we're bringing on more like Kol's he opinion leaders in particular areas in seeing how they use Layton to provide And what we did was we surveyed community to see what their top three subjects were so this fall season were providing those top three subjects with top. Kol's or top experts and the upcoming events which is going to be Super Fun is sponsored with a Mexican Chamber of Commerce Tacos and Tequila. How could you might? You're telling me how to relate must have and the topic is become a B. Two B. sales expert with link. Yeah because Lincoln has so many resources that that do people don't seem to utilize them because they're they're running facebook ads or instagram Within China has its own ecosystem as well so link is kind of one of those platforms that people overlook sometimes or maybe not. I mean personally. I'm a little bit intimidated by Lincoln. I find a little bit clunky but and I know that there are so many tools. What are some of the tools that you personally have been helped? Businesses grow or a helped smaller helped entrepreneurs is or influencers. How do you become an influence on in on Lincoln? Yeah good question will not the most important thing especially being China is that linked. Dan is the only unblocked Western social media platform so first of all. That's a huge advantage. And as far as becoming thought leader an influencer OCCA- awhile it's more about the content creation and right now because the algorithm changes every few months right now the most popular thing like organic reach or a Lots of views is post articles or not articles actual post status updates. Nay If you WANNA compare activase Article US right now are down. But they're slowly creeping up civil. Keep watching that adds. It really depends on your location Russian At and how people are receiving the ad so right now here is really recommend us and other things you can have a company page Blah Blah Blah. But really the most powerful is the small posts because they're like bite-size blogs and people can really Israeli cross them nicely. But it's funny because there's this interesting dichotomy there is lots of the. US guys writing in these one liners like the whole twitter. Finally on the whole thing like twitter twitter expanded so each they write a line. They're taking a story like I'm bankrupt. ANIME SKIP align rights. There's a space inside but that's not all to the story and then there's another space because I have have more to tell you right. So Align Bait. Let's call it. What bro a tree so the rotary? I was working because like you said it was empty but now everyone's really smart and they're getting smarter in some now. It's more of a miniature blog. Post four is the best way and so for example like I was breaking this down for a client the other day I showed him okay. I haven't attention getter. Because when he first the oppose the only see her first three months see have to capture. Someone's attention in the first three nights. Then then they click to expand more and you share more information so emojis by popular now because they just stand out But they need to be relevant you. You can tap people on a pulse. Of course the Hash Tags are important not because we need finally in hashtags because Lincoln has its own. Seo So so if you can be consistent even with your Hash tagging and limit you not only brand yourself. Well but now you're GONNA show up higher in lead in search results. So that is the most effective the people who are consistent those are the thought leaders and influencers only right like Hashtag China influence or Hashtag type of China marketing expert area right. Because I see that all the time like what makes a person in expert will just Hashtag it. And they're as you a Hashtag than you're an expert but that makes sense like you can research. You can search that in search Barton Lincoln to by people. Exactly let's because that's the thing like with Lincoln I see articles posted in. UC photos sometime but autozone very informed by the way. I always put benefits one photo with the Post because people are visual first and foremost so even in that you want to carefully select select. What kind of graphic? What kind of what are you gonNA show people and then you have a compelling first line or three lights and then as well the direct messaging I mean yeah you can do direct messaging? It's called in males most of that you have you're able to supersede surprised AC- sightings if you Catholic premium account. So you can better you know. It's like Cool Coleman race equally yes I get a lot of that the critters but I think there's other ways you can do organically to around I think directly connecting with somebody have options on a little note. Here's a Hack Lake. I can share the listeners When somebody likes your post go in and see all the list and if they're not a first degree connection and they look interesting like Ogden? Dan Put a little note and say. Hey next liking Michael's I love to ask and you'll find that more often than not people are super cool with it except did your request in. You've now expanded your your network. Yeah and I think I think actually I'm like that linked thin has offline community now because generally now there's so much online social media but it's not enough where I mean you. How were you gonNA Trust this person? You smell online especially as a business action especially where their credibility I mean. Technically you can write whatever you want and people will do and and yeah like you said Hashtag grew expert Ninja Warrior. I do but make the realistically. That's not enough. So having these offline events in these face to face meetings to hang out to meet up to network that's how you find and you know the people that you WanNa work with. Well here's what sex linked in apart from most other platforms in general on social media. If you take for example sample. facebook users are the product facebook will not exist without that that user because users of the product more more so than anything else but only didn't they have actual products to offer beyond just like ads like facebook. They have premium accounts. They have of like a sales navigator which is similar to a crm like salesforce and because it makes business much more efficient in. It's so much easier to target target some leads now you have a whole different ecosystem and face. Lincoln is really Nice because what it does is if you're not professional and you're just posting picture your breakfast you become a pariah and people who on follow you or block you at Lincoln is not Fort Around like Oh God my dad posted you know about his dog again. You just have to deal with it but January Zanu hike on follow right. It's for quality content It's Um that's what it's meant for and I think that's why it's still it's still growing and it's still round and is still competing with facebook absolutely because it's a totally different. You get so much more out of it. Education lies to about Microsoft bought over so it's part of Microsoft so it's Microsoft is such a strong brand that's why it's available in China. It all makes sense now very nicely to become a local a linked in local Director President Trump leader. How how is it easy to do it? How did you do it when I first joined? There was a vetting process and he had to have a skype call or seen call with one of the founders so I had mine with the founder Anna McAfee. She's in Australia. Hopefully it gets to meet her in December when I go on holiday there which will be cool. Exciting exciting but Yeah so I was Kinda hot was and then they would set you up on the west side. They also have like a slack account group they had had the created like a tutorial resource videos for people just getting started. Said you really set up up quite nicely in founders with connect with you in connect each other people who could help you but now it's basically like anyone can in host late in recommends that you search on the leaked in local website to see like who's registered or just searched a hashtags only ten. And they encourage you to connect with the other ghosts. You WanNa start chapter in the same city but it's not mandatory so that it is kind of maybe a cost of Malley than taking over local community so there could be more than one host in one city. They could be five five communities kind of within one community while they might be five totally separate communities in the home city. GonNa mess with the brand identity. I found that most people don't do it because it's a lot of work. Yeah so actually kind of it actually actually for now at Yeah but I I recommend you know you as a community leader. Whatever you leading you really? We need to be active in your community and really be like the one providing the expertise. Because they're going to trust you in the longer you create that relationship. Uh someone tries to come start another chapter in your city all right but you know you're the one who has credibility so. I think it's really important to you. Think about the relationships that you create maintain in really be proactive in the absolately. If anybody moves somewhere they should find the link to local community that's already there in thriving because it's better to help that community thrive even more so and build upon. It helps them sort of starting. I mean starting from from scratch. It's it takes time and effort monthly events it takes money takes a lot of investment interesting. Thank you all right. Let's take a little break and we'll be back in a minute. If you are enjoying. The topic of life abroad definitely have listened to migratory patterns another pod part of the migration media network host. Mike shot loves the deep dive with his guests about. Where's home? What drives them to move abroad? What makes them stay overseas? And how life overseas his change them as an expert who's lived overseas for over a decade. Mike is no stranger to the migrant lifestyle and his passionate about exploring the reasons why people are moving learn more Morton. Here's the latest episodes at Migration Media Dot net research migratory patterns. Wherever you find your podcast all right welcome back to the show? The let's let's get into the finances of Lincoln local because you guys are autonomous for the most part from global brand. So how does it work like for events for membership People do get paid. They picked today pat all that work. Yeah so there's no membership fee but people bull are members just based off of if they're on our mailing list there in the Lee chat groups you spend to one event surely it can be a member as we're very inclusive that lay an Richton. Local is first and foremost Nonprofit structure because the motto is no pitch no sales networking event. Who of course are experts? We want them to promote themselves. That it's a soft cell so when our speakers fill out be kind of QNA for Julian. I review I put a reminder you can promote stuff but it's not a hard sale right and then even people people having to network at smart person to person stuff like that some events. I have charged for only to cover like the venue cost so I don't make anything off off of it now. We will be charging moving forward. But that money goes to be reinvested in the community. So it's really a true nonprofit nonprofit structure with this pricing scheme because we want to be able to give back to the community so it could be things like a t-shirt Ahmad some China swag so that also promotes Mayton local Shanghai branding but from that for from a business perspective. It's it's a channel draining I as we ran a digital agency providing solutions for businesses in China especially those wanting to target great leads for sales so for us of course we love the community so much and we are happy to see growing. But it's it's something to manage. It's not something we make money off of is just one of the channels that we use so maiden Michael's basically like the sponsor her of the workshops that we do around the city for ten trains. So that's kind of our suction things right now. I mean planning Linux events I planned events for free. So that's already takes time second Venue Menus are not free right even co working spaces they charge by the hour food. Drink Swag and if you have a community and you WanNa do all this stuff like yeah yeah like people who can pay a little bit. It's it's it's nothing off their back. Like the community managers the directors. The presidents are the ones that are spending so much time in their own money. I can't even count how much money I've spent on Internet running events and marketing and promotion and buying Swat like I would buy like pencils took out of my own pocket and I'd never been reimbursed and so I think for communities to genuinely linked to really be sustainable. There needs to be something that the money goes right back into the community. You're GonNa make you know what I mean like. Maybe the owners are linked to get into that a little bit because Lyndon obvious you see. It's a publicly traded company and there are employees but in terms of the community volunteers but the People Lincoln their deal a large company. Yeah would you consider moving or working for Lincoln now. I liked volunteering instead. Just because this as someone who's running entrepreneur project you know on the side of already a job that has I really want this entrepreneurship thing into the full-time Gig. And as wonderful as all these different opportunities are as I'm getting older it's just something that's really tugging on my heart. I want my own real estate business. I want to make my own mark and I think this is just a great way to go threat. But what's exciting is is that linked in China is really interested in collaborating with us which is super exciting citing because it could be like history in the making and what they get the benefit of his that our community is the warmest lead lead. SLAVER get our community most already passionate users of leak din on a definitely would be open to hearing about the premium accounts that leads in offers. And you know I mean Lincoln definitely make money off of the community. So I think that's why they wanted to take over over provide some guidelines that we abide by the branding et CETERA. But also it's a great. I think it's a great opportunity for that. He stay get more involved evolved us. It sounds like they are. I mean you said you have a meeting with Lincoln. Yeah the China Wa news is the big news. Hopefully we'll have more details to share near. I mean do it. Can you share with us. Your future plans. Yeah This fall season. We we have some great networking events coming up in our community asked for it so we're doing B. two B. sales with lengthen. We're doing content creation in reducing him out. Marketing does the top three topics that are community asked for of course we WANNA bring even more experts in. Kol's we are our criticism Leli strategic partnerships with Chambers of commerce around the city that way we can have some new venue sponsors sponsors but also. I think it's really a special thing that we have here Sean. Hi It's such a dynamic city there's so many nationalities represented Senate here that it's like. It's a unique place for example. We we surveyed our our community. I said we found that. Seventy ninety percent of our community are like founders business owners executive level that's quite special and then we represent right now about thirty thirty different nationalities which is like. WHOA maybe California? You could get that. But these are specific different nationalities from different countries Andrea. That were not born here you know. And then all of us learn I shares of Shanghai so we want to so oh you know going to the Mexican. Commerce hot goes into Keila. We wanted to promote that culture. Then if we do with another the Chamber of Commerce we want to respect in and represent their culture their country whatever it is because that's another really important part of Value Alley that This community we want you know equal representation as much as possible in when we can we want to also also how they get gender-balanced in speakers and experts who are presenting like. It's really important. We don't want to some white guy talking about Bob. Ah because it's so overdone. And as much value they have to offer I think a lot of other people genders get overlooked so we really wanNA create balance wants as much as we can diversity. Yeah our be perfect now but we're GONNA try to do it that I love that. How about the other linked in local communities that you've spoken without? How does it work with their dynamic? Do they also you know. Follow the same format that you guys do. I think every community has their own strategies. One knots in a Canada in Montreal. They like Acidic Women's chapter so that's quite interesting scene they did. I don't remember if it's the women's chapter were the main chapter but they did a particular like workshop events on inclusion which was so cool because they also had people who are differently. abled as well we could talk about that and more carcasses so I love the remaining more awareness to not and then the ones in the US. I think they'll do more linked to invest practices of one. I recently awesome. Did kind of many workshops they have paneled teaching different skills for business and professionally and they had some cool like spreaker games role playing. So everyone's different and then actually I will be meeting with the League and local Caribbean host in a few weeks. Because she's visiting China so we're GONNA listen to her about how she runs the events there so yeah it's quite it's quite interesting to learn from them but I think the structure that Julian I have especially here Shanghai is quite title different and we've been having some host from around the world only then reject to ask and ask Har you building at. What are you doing? What are your best practices uses super cool? That's I mean that's the best way to to move it. Move forward and to learn learn from the other community leaders around the world old writings. Everybody's doing something different every ecosystem. Every city of your market is completely different and the way they utilize Lincoln completely different too. Yeah exactly are there any. You said there was a global meet up as well yes so this summer I think it was August. They enlighten local global. Meet Up. I think it was on the east coast in the US. And I connected to some of the people only Dan who did that so I reached that was cloud guys -gratulations like I I'd love to hear more in the future this for sure so it's nice to also usually didn't not way that you can find some opportunities maybe you never thought about any Directly reach out to almost anyone not that everyone response but I find that most people do especially if you approach them very professionally just with gratitude and humility and I'm constantly amazed by just the benefits and the graciousness justness like that comes into my life because of this so good love it. Thank you so much for sharing these jams also so good Don't tell us how can people connect with Leighton Global Lincoln local. How does how do people get involved? How did they find the communities? Yeah so the easiest way is probably how to do a search within link den Dot Com. And they're gonNA just go to the search bar and Lincoln local and they can put their city or another area. See if it's an active community they can also search on. I think it's linked in. Let's see it's linked linked. Dan Local ex like. Maybe they can googling ex- on On the web and just see it with the the new website says they can do a search for different hosts who have registered through Billington local host website. Amazing in China we chat China. Just look at my name. Ti Are H. E. L. A.. Income only one in the world that people people can connect with me directly sunny little message and then get involved. If they're visiting Shanghai Shanghai. Yeah whatever like I would love love to meet them. In Jarvis in link-up aniline hang up Lincoln Lincoln. Thank you so much for joining Tamar. Thanks for joining and hoping start popping abroad soon. If you WANNA learn more about the community mention Info will be in the show notes. WanNa connect no global community. That's helping experts live their best lives. Let me know finally pop abroad on Instagram. 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Surviving Family Politics At Thanksgiving

On Point with Tom Ashbrook | Podcasts

47:48 min | 8 months ago

Surviving Family Politics At Thanksgiving

"Support for on point out the following message come from. MIT system design and management jointly offered by Mit School of Engineering and the MIT's Sloan School School of management earn a Master's engineering and management join a virtual info session on Thursday December fifth from four to five PM S. D. M. I'm dot. Mit Dot Edu from NPR and W. R. Boston. I'm Anthony Brooks and this is on point. Thanksgiving is tomorrow. The first big family get togethers since impeachment hearings began one of the last before an election year. It's a holiday about gratitude togetherness service and of course food but the kitchen isn't the only place where things can get messy when politics can dominate the conversation at the table. So how do we talk to brothers. Our sisters cousins uncles and aunts. Who might be from the other side of the political divide? Should we avoid the subject. Altogether this hour on point Thanksgiving family family politics and keeping our eyes on the pies. You can join us. What do you do when beliefs that you hold dear offend the people you hold dear should we? Should you avoid turning Thanksgiving dinner into a debate whereas politics just part of the menu. Join US anytime. Had on point radio DOT ORG and on twitter and facebook ad on point radio with us from Colchester. Vermont is Lizzie Post. She's the CO president of the Emily Post Institute which was is created by her great great grandmother etiquette. Expert Emily Post. She's the author of several books on Etiquette and the Co host of awesome etiquette. A podcast cast from American Public Media Lizzy Post welcomed on point. It's great to have you thank you so much for having me here. I really appreciate it and also joining us from Washington in. DC IS DANA millbank. He's an OP ED columnist at the Washington Post Covering National Politics Dana. Welcome to you. It's great to have you. It's great to be with you though. I'm quite nervous is being with an etiquette expert. Please don't be my friends and family always laugh at statements like it's up the right tone though because at Dana. Since you you spoke I let let let me talk to you first about this so a poll from NPR. PBS indicates that sixty three percent of American adults are following the impeachment inquiry closely. Will they be able to resist talking about it tomorrow. Well will will they or should they are two entirely different. Absolute So should they yes Because it gets US nowhere which I'm sure we will we'll get get into to some extent will they almost certainly the one thing I would say at. The outset is because of the divisive nature of politics and because things have become So tribal that it's often divided by religion by race By where you live by the community you're in often families are homogeneous in this in a sense. You're sitting around a table and everybody agrees in this democratic family and in this Republican family Everybody agrees so it may not be a problem for everybody because we happen to be In such a polarized time But for for the rest Yes more dangerous than undercooked stuffing so. Let's see I wanna ask you about how etiquette around politics has changed. I mean the conventional etiquette taught us to avoid conversations at dinner about sex about religion about money and politics. Is it still too ability to boo to bring it up. It's not so much that they are taboo. It's more that We really try to think of things in like a top tier. Tiers cheers of kind of approachable topics and in Tier One. You're really looking at things like weather. Sports entertainment this is low hanging fruit. That's that's probably not going to be too likely depending on the sports and the entertainment that you're talking about To drive really deeply held personal opinions or choices in lifestyle and identity and when you start to ramp up tears two and three tier two. We really look at it as having politics personal relationships religion You know and money can can either be tier two or tier three but we think of like personal family family matters finance and often medical issues in those tier three categories where you're really trying to keep them as conversations that you have with people people that you really trust people that really understand you people that you're willing to invite into those topics in your life and politics can really end up. I feel like in any of these. Three categories categories for me the big issue. And when we're speaking about this in our business etiquette seminars we'd say you know politics isn't a taboo topic but it's how you talk about it. That's really going to matter. Are you able to be aware of the other. Perspectives and lifestyles and personalities. At the table are are you able to make choices that are going to build the relationships in the conversation around you rather than tear them down or purposefully incite incite anger and frustration or offense in people and I think that's that's where politics get so sticky. It's how are we using to talk about it. I'm really glad you brought up. Brought adopt this idea of how you talk about politics. So here's part of a memorable two thousand fifteen Saturday night. Live skit on this subject. A family as assembled for Thanksgiving. Thanks giving relatives have arrived from out of town and awkward conversations about politics in Sioux. Here's a little bit happy Thanksgiving everyone in one. I'm so thankful to have you all here today. I am thankful that I only burn the Turkey a little bit. Sorry you the you know. I am thankful that our governor is not GonNa let those refugees in heard. The refugees are all isis in disguise. Oh yeah that's true. I actually saw an Isis in the IMP. Today when I was picking up the mountain. You didn't Kathy. That was an Asian woman is is to transgenders at the airports basically the British very interesting trend this on my transgender is not a trend missing invoked when I was younger. Yeah they were there but they couldn't say anything so they sad lives and died talking. It's okay so Adele to the rescue so in that skit there's a visual component that. Obviously we're not able to appreciate here on the radio but as everyone starts arts pantomime ing her song. They come together but Lizzie post in example. There of how not to talk about politics. Perhaps uh-huh yeah perhaps I would i. Would I would take a stand on that and say yeah. That's not the way you want it to go You know great to laugh about but I think we really do want to be aware of the people around us. And as as a host you really want to feel empowered to do something about this in the moment and I think that's where a lot of people get very nervous And they they're unsure about how much agency they have to redirect redirect a conversation to shutdown offensive conversation to even request that people avoid the topic. And we really love at Emily. Post to empower hosts hosts to do such things but again it's in how you do it. I think if you send a blanket email out before or upon greeting people at the door say and remember not uh no politics this year or I don't want politics anywhere at my table or anywhere. It might thanksgiving. That's what we're looking for. So how what is the how. How how would you do it? It depends a little bit on. On what your preferences you know of a pound of. What do they say? An ounce of prevention is worth a pound of cure for. I think sometimes that works in the situation. And you have to know your family or your friends or the the people that you've invited to your gathering in order to decide died whether saying out loud or when people are Are SV peeing saying yes. We are GONNA come to Thanksgiving this year. If if now is the time to say I I am so excited to have you. I know our family has a lot of different opinions in it. I would love to leave politics off off the menu for the for the day or for the evening or or whether it's going to be better to wait and see if the topic actually gets brought up and in that moment than say to someone and you know I'd really love to leave politics away from the table uncle. George tell me about that and this is my ever example trip to Greece this year. Or you know how you know. How was Sally's wedding? Whatever it is that can be a way to redirect that conversation? It's just a great tool to have in your back pocket and we really want host to feel comfortable comfortable doing these things but again it's going to depend on your family and your hosting style whether or not announcing it ahead of time or calling it out in the moment is is going to be better action to take so Dana. I'd like to ask you about that idea just sort of suggesting that we not talk about this at all. How would that work in the mill? The MILLBANK family family. I mean you have some pretty strong political opinions. Everyone knows about them because they read the Washington Post Do you hold back at the table. But do you think well you know it's interesting in my family. It's my immediate family. There's not a whole lot of disagreement But when we get together with the extended family some of whom are from Rural Indiana. There's quite a bit of difference And I think you behave differently In those situations In the in the extended family situation I never bring up politics For the reasons. We're we're discussing here But often somebody else will bring up politics and the question is what do you do So I I find it certainly certainly best not to argue back The reason being it doesn't it doesn't do any good anyway like let's look at the example. We've just had day after day hour after hour of impeachment hearings and yelling and screaming from either side the before this all started And to the point after it started the polls show we are in exactly the same place. Virtually nobody changed their mind. So that's not going to change anybody's mind You're arguing being With your uncle over the table is not going to change his mind. So it just doesn't make sense to do What I do try to defuse it? This is true with family. Your with Anybody frequently get people who argue By e mail or in person. I just ask them questions I asked them to to Explain themselves. Some more and tape you know. Isn't that interesting and try to find some peace of what they're saying where I say. Okay well I think we can agree three on this so it just sort of tried to defuse it In disarm rather than arguing back which is only going to make them angrier listeners. We're talking about out political battle lines at the thanks giving table you can join the conversation. Does your family Thanksgiving Gathering need a referee. Or when advice to you you have for finding common ground. Is it a good idea. Just to set ground rules and say we're not gonNA talk about this or maybe having a conversation and making an effort to listen. Listen to listen to that. Other opinion across the table would begin go a long way towards meeting this country back together. Who knows I'm Anthony Brooks? This is on tort support for on point and the following message come from MIT system design and management jointly offered by Mit T. School of engineering and the Mit Sloan. School of Management. Earn a Master's in engineering and Management S. D. M. Educates mid career professionals to lead effectively and creatively by using systems thinking to solve large scale complex challenges in product design development and innovation using. MIT's most advanced information and communication technologies join a virtual info session on Thursday December fifth from four to five. PM S. DM DOT MIT DOT EDU. I know we'd all love the holidays to be this happy stress-free joyful time but let's be real that is not not always the case. NPR's Life Kit is answering your holiday questions and helping you. Navigate family dynamics all season long new episodes every Tuesday and Thursday. Listen and subscribe to life. Kit All guides this is on point. I'm Anthony Brooks. We're talking about politics. Thanksgiving you can join the conversation. Are you establishing ground own rules. This thanksgiving about what guests can talk about. And what's Tabu. Are you practicing your political talking points for uncle. Jerry insist pursue. I'm joined by Lizzie. Post President of the Emily Post Institute. And the CO host of awesome etiquette a podcast from American public media and Dana millbank the an op. Ed Columnist missed at the Washington Post covering national politics and Lizzy and Dan. I want to go to a couple of calls. Let's go to Marcus. WHO's calling from Milwaukee Wisconsin Mark Markus? Thanks so much for the call go ahead hello so. I don't think that ignoring the white elephant in the room is going to be productive. It'll create some other awkward and tense situations. Yeah I think what we need to do is avoid attacking each other and actually taking step back and sit back and listen to each other's points and trying here where the other person is coming from and by listening maybe then they will take the opportunity to listen to where you're coming from and actually start to produce them some creative productive discussions as former is really Prime Minister Moshe Dayan said you don't create piece by only talking to those who agree with you you create by talking to those. Who Don't Marcus? Do you expect politics to come up in your family Thanksgiving gathering tomorrow. Typically it does. It's split pretty close to fifty fifty between Republicans and Democrats in our clan. Okay well good luck. Good luck with that in. Thanks for that comment we appreciate it. Let's take one more call. John is calling from Portland Maine. Go ahead John. You're on the air. Thanks for the call. Hi Folks Yes I'm with market and I think that the advice we should be getting is What MS post is getting into a little in that how we talk about politics The reason why I think we should is that. Our democracy is under a certain amount of stress. And these these things need to be talked through and The people together for Thanksgiving being often includes folks who don't ordinarily Hang out together. This is a good time for us to try and discuss the major issues of the day. John thanks so much for that Lizzie. Post what are you hearing. Those two calls I find them encouraging. I mean I think I mean I think I agree with both. I agree with both callers that it seems impossible to sort of avoid talking about it but they're talking about the sort of productive nature of talking about it absolutely absolutely and I think it's impossible to avoid it. I do think that hosts and family and friend groups really want to ask themselves. What kind of a gathering do we want to have? What do we what do we collectively feel is important and creates vibrant stimulating conversation? What I you love about? What both Marcus and Dana have talked about today is the idea? And we've gone to the idea of being curious going to a place of curiosity acidy. About what differing views are you know. Why do you feel the way that you do What do you see in this particular You know candidate wanted person. law. That's being whatever it is or circumstance that we're discussing Going to that place of curiosity is really important. But I love the John's really hearing the point of that. The how matters it's one thing to share our views. It's another to share our views in ways that show. We're never going to change them. We're not willing to listen And I think when it comes to a etiquette we really try to avoid the ladder at the dinner table at Lea-. Oh you store at family gatherings because we do want to have a good time with one another and that that exchange can be just so wonderful but it it does matter that we take care in how we choose to listen to each other You may be very willing to be curious about someone else's point of view and listen to them and really respect that but what's really fascinating is when that then doesn't get returned to you in a conversation. How are you going to choose to behave? You've received that person if they're not choosing to meet you at that level of curiosity and respect and consideration. What do you think about that Dana? I mean I can imagine you you wanting to listen to an opposing view. But if if someone fires back at you in a way that might not be conducive to thoughtful and caring conversation. And what's the response. Well it's very tricky and it'll depend on how much wine you've had with your your Turkey at that point but You know there is a way to do this because the you know the dirty little secret is we are as Americans are terribly divided bipartisanship. But they're not actually that much divided By policy that is what we want there. Actually a broad consensus On policies in America when things get the D. or art label it becomes you know like sports teams in a game and you see this and you know the Republican Party was all about free trade than Donald Trump comes in And now it's about protectionism and of course Democrats Managed to you know Do a flip. You know saying the economy was great under Obama and now no not thinking it's great under trump so it that tends to color everything so to the extent to which you can Talk about issues And get away away from politics You'll be in a better place What I do when I'm being attacked For something I've written or something thing I've said I in fact I did this with a prominent Republican congressman just Within the last couple of weeks said I'd like to talk to you. About how are we get out of this mess that we're in what do you think The solution is so you're giving respect and Some power to the the person who disagrees disagrees with you and maybe that will defuse the moment and Put them in a position of actually saying how they think we can fix this because everybody agrees that the situation is is not tolerable. Yeah I mean it seems like One of the sort of polite ways you could do this is. Let's acknowledge that These are unusual in troubled times and part of the trouble is that the nation is so divided. So let's use this occasion maybe to raise a glass and hope we can come together for for the common good. I mean maybe maybe there's a way to frame it With the conversation that begins like that. Let's go to Peter. He's calling from western Massachusetts. Go ahead Peter thanks for the call. Hi I was born in bread. Emily Post and Is My understanding that an on occasion like Thanksgiving is for just that giving thanks and we don't vote for family members. We are born genetically attached to family members. And so in my opinion politics has no place at a Thanksgiving or any other celebratory Event event it is for caring loving supporting And doing whatever you can to the experience of those around you if politics comes up at a family celebration at my table I shut it down. I said that's I just say that's not what we're here for. All Right Peter. Well thanks so much for that There's an approach that we can all understand and respect. I want to bring another Guest into the conversation joining us from Garden City South Carolina. China is Lynn Parsley. She's a family and marriage counselor based in Winston Salem North Carolina and the author of staying together for at least fifty years keeping love alive for a lifetime. Lifetime Limpert Lynn Parsley. Welcome to point. It's good to have you. It is good to be with you so you've been listening along. I've got some specific questions for you but I'm sure you've been sort of collecting being some thoughts of your own as you. Listen what do you think. Well I was listening to Dana and lizzy and thinking. Well what am I going to say when I come on day. They have hit a a lot of my points and I hope I have some extra things to add. Well what I wanted to ask you about. You've written about something called agreeable disagreement. How does that work? It's uh-huh along the lines of things that Dana Lizzy of said about how to have a conversation that is an exchange of ideas and thoughts and and feelings and ends on a good note of goodwill interesting. So say more about that. So you're still able to put the disagreement demint sort of on the table as it were but you do get a sense of goodwill right. I hold the belief of one of the callers that we can't just stay a silent in order to get along all the time that when you have Dearly held beliefs that that you want to express that that's part of the American way and it's it's the way things change I think that my view is that you start with asking yourself. What is my intention as I enter? Enter this conversation. Am I looking to change their mind. which as Dana said is probably an exercise in futility or am I talking to understand them better and maybe have them be open to hearing my point of view and understanding it? We'll do this idea of agreeable disagreement. I WANNA play a cut of tape Which I was very moved by this was From The New York Times. podcast the daily Last November number. You're GonNa Hear Test Clark. She's an evangelical Christian who opposes President Trump's immigration policy. Now tests is in conversation Shen with their father. Essentially who is very much in favor of the president So you're gonna I hear the father and then you're GonNa hear tests the daughter. They obviously disagree but they're engaging in a very sort of human effort to understand each other. Let's listen well I mean you know that certainly an an an isolated case I mean of course who wouldn't be sympathetic compassion to what you've personally experienced but I mean not every cases like that I mean I don't feel like everybody is crossing that border order is doing it for what they're claiming they're the ones putting their self image position coming over here. They're not all being persecuted. I mean what are you would you. He liked to see him. Do you talking about these. You know fences and you know cages and I mean this is all temporary stuff. I'm not sure what the answer is but got to contain them to some degree but it feels like the human pieces missing for be with the current administration Jason and the current policies. And that's what I'm upset about so Lizzie Post. I WANNA come to you on that what. What was sort of extorting about that conversation? And it's really worth listening. The whole thing is they obviously disagree about something. That's so important. But the the the overall context is data. I really love you and I really want you to hear my I point and and The dads sort of gives the same kind of energy back. You know you're my daughter and I love you and I'm really interested to hear what you have to say even though we disagree. I think that it's a it is a great example of choosing to be polite and choosing to I think look at look look at the whole of the relationship around the conversation that's happening and respectfully choosing to both listen and state your point. Ain't it also do it again. I haven't heard the whole conversation but it doesn't sound like they go so far down the rabbit hole that then they're just in circles saying the same things over and over and over again which I think also can get To frustrating point and start to to just make people feel like there's no end I know no in fact. Just add a little more context that conversation. Sorry to interrupt but I want it. It's a really interesting point. I really implore everyone to go listen to it because they don't don't circle around and become frustrated. What you hear is a real effort to understand each other? I don't think they succeed in convincing each other. But they're oh really making an effort because they love each other and they really want to understand but go ahead Lucy. I didn't mean to interrupt no mostly. I just really wanted to to appreciate appreciate the comments that both you and Dana had when it came to ideas like seeking solutions or raising a glass to the idea that we will be able to come together at some point there will be some kind of resolution and that to me is so so impactful and so important and a lot of people forget. Forget that it's an avenue to take when things do get heated and they do get frustrating is okay so we're going to disagree about how we ended up here or or or any number of things. What are some of the solutions? What are the things that we can agree on? We want good things for each other. How do we accomplish rush that you may not solve it over the dinner table but it could? It could lead to some really wonderful discussion. Let's go to smile. WHO's calling from Boston Austin Smile? You're on the air. Thanks for. Thanks for calling. Hey how's it gone very well. What's on your mind? Go ahead yeah my mind is it's kind of like like when you're at the dinner table other things not just politics. I mean you could come to the dinner table as as a gay person Muslim-christian all the things that are affecting this country. Either way things will be said that will make you feel a certain way and if you if you have a conversation around hey you say this and makes me feel this way when the when the party says it makes me feel this way you have. The conversation around feelings is a is a good way of handling some of these difficult conversations. Thanks for that. Point join is foul. I really appreciate it Lynn Parsley. I wanted to come back to you and ask you as someone who's a family. Counselor what should you do if you feel fuel yourself. You know you started a conversation and you have all the good intentions in the world just to have a conversation but suddenly someone crosses the line and you feel yourself getting angry right. That's when things begin to go off the tracks any advice I do I for small take deep breaths and remind remind yourself that you care about that person that that you have a relationship that you want to maintain the relationship and to try to think again of. What do we hold in common? I I call it the postage stamp in the football field that there can always be that little piece that you start from and saying we agree on this. Our feelings are similar about this and I find it to be very helpful to listen. Listen to the other person after I'll ask a question like what is your belief that is behind this opinion that you hold what is your dearly held l. belief behind that opinion and then really listen and then grant to them. I can see your point about this. I can see that you you have had a real Meaningful point here and you can see a face change when you say I give you that And then it becomes softer and gentler. Because then they can maybe give us something as we say what we want to say. So it's mainly a ton it's a look can you I. It's taken those deep breaths and reminding yourself I'm not here to make them believe what I believe. I'm here to tell my story and to hear their your story and involvement with families and with Church and in community development. That is the stories we tell that really opened people's hearts and so if you get the opportunity to say the story behind this belief I hold is this and I express. That's my feelings my experiences and invite them to do that. Then I think it keeps everything down to a a kindness rather than a point wait. Counterpoint listeners were talking about how to address politics at the Thanksgiving table at a moment when America seem so divided and in fact when families reflect that division. You can join the conversation. How are you planning to navigate political discord at tomorrow's dinner Do you feel capable of containing your anger when someone crosses that line. Is it better just to shut the conversation down and say let's focus on the Turkey the wine and forget about politics. We're GONNA take a short break and we'll be back with more of your calls and our guests. I'm Anthony Brooks. This is on point this week on Bullseye laymen while Miranda on his dark materials hip hop and life after him. I know it's the first light of my obituary so if if that line is handled then what else can I do with my time here. It's Bullseye for maximum fund DOT ORG and NPR. This is on point. I'm Anthony Brooks talking Thanksgiving and politics within families that might reflect the political divide of these contentious times. You can join the conversation as the tone tone of your family. Gatherings changed in this political moment or have your loved ones always enjoyed a healthy debate. Follow us on twitter. Find US on facebook at on on point radio. I'm joined by Lizzie. Post Co President of the Emily Post Institute and the CO host of awesome etiquette a podcast from American Public Media Lynn Parsley a family family and marriage counselor and Dana millbank and opinion columnist with the Washington Post who covers politics and you are callers. You can join this conversation. Let's go to Susan who's calling from Wakefield Field Rhode Island Susan. Thanks for the call. You're on the air go ahead. Hi Happy Thanksgiving. Yeah my approach to this is sort of a middle ground which is sort of the way I approach. Most things is my mindset is president trump in politics and not necessarily invited to my dinner table but if they show up for Pi when people aren't a captive audience that would be fine so in other words when people are milling around and can leave the room without making a statement. It's okay to talk about it right. I mean I. I don't typically forbid it at the table but I feel like you know for a holiday dinner when you're there to just so to celebrate and be together that might be an easier approach when people people get right can sort of opt in or not. Susan sounds like sound advice. Thanks for the call Let me get one more in here. Jay is calling from North Yarmouth with main Jay. Go ahead. You're on the air. Thanks for the call. Hello Yeah I just wanted to offer up something for consideration people. Might I find it useful. I like to when confronted with relatives. Believe different things that you believe. I like to go back to the basics of a getting your information from primary sources versus secondary sources In civics class we learned that whenever possible. We try to get information. I'm from primary sources so I mean to make it practical Information from primary sources is more can be more reliable is certainly more direct correct as opposed to listening to your favorite spin doctor whether it be radio or TV or editorials or whatever So I try to inject that concept. How do you know what you know? Did you get it from a primary source or secondary source. All Right Jake. Thanks a lot Dana. What do you think about that? I mean in terms. Yeah I mean Jay's talking about bringing kind of reason and logic to political conversation where reason and logic don't always don't don't always I I support the logic of that but I think the the that's quite dangerous. Because when you say you're essentially saying somebody's wrong or is uninformed informed at their information is wrong and I can see that quickly devolving going down this rabbit hole of Sean Hannity Versus Rachel Maddow. And that's that's not. That's not going to get you to the place where you want what I tried to do when when somebody's in my face Disagreeing or saying things. I know to be false. Not Correcting them but having a bit of compassion For How they feel so? I think they're wrong. I may disagree with them on the facts but when I look at the the vast majority of trump supporters I know that he is appealing to a real fear that they're losing their place Economically they're losing their place in America. He has unfortunately turned that into I. Think divisive issues of race. Jason Religion An immigration status. But if you can say this person who appears in front of me to be so angry is really afraid and I think there's an equivalent thing If you if you look at it on the left as well we're both opera. We're all operating really more out of a place Ah Vulnerability out of fear than out of of anger and if you can get to that I think that will cool down The tone a little bit but Yeah I I have never found that Trying to correct somebody on the facts. Get them to say I agree with you. I want to bring up a really interesting idea Here and get you all to respond to it. So Timothy Phillips he's founder founder and CEO of beyond conflict in an international organization that advocates for Peace and reconciliation. He posted a piece on our cognitive santee. Not Website here at WBZ in Boston and basically his argument one of his arguments is that we tend to over estimate. How unpleasant it is is to engage with those with whom we disagree and he cites a recent study from the Harvard Kennedy School that found that partisan voters ended up agreeing in with the opposition more than they thought they would and didn't feel as many negative emotions annoyance being resentful nervous anger afraid as they predicted addicted they would so his sort of one of his concluding ideas is if we're gonNA correct or mistaken beliefs about voters across the country? We should start with the voter odor across the table and we. We might be surprised by what we learn. What do you think of that that? Ideally I think it's fantastic and and I think that it I mean clearly. There's a lot of evidence they're Showing that it's true and I think it's really important for us when we are talking being at this national level to really do our best to not create more divisiveness so when you're creating creating a headline when you're writing an article definitely you know. Put the facts. Put the poll numbers in there that might show the divides. But how are you going to craft it. Are you going to crafted opted in a way that shows that there's there's this giant divide and it's awful and you're never gonNA come together again we're going to crash and burn or is it boy. There are are a lot of different opinions. Here's what we really do care about. That is so similar. I think that it's all in how you choose to frame it. And a lot of people are in a lot have positions of responsibility to frame it. Well and and I would just I. I know I would love reading more headlines that frame things that way but also the a highlight the truth in the numbers And I think I think that that's really important date. I WANNA come back to you on this on this theme that Timothy Phillips brought up because what I liked about. It is I spend most of my time covering politics and you spend a lot of time writing about it and what I'm always struck by when I'm out at campaign events in talking to people on the left and the right trump supporters Democrat Supports Democrats running for president once you get past the sort of big headline about what they're against and sort of start start talking to them about what therefore I'm always struck by how people are closer than you would think I'm just wondering if you feel the same that that is absolutely true. And that's what I was saying earlier and that people actually agree on the policy on the substance. They're they're broad consensus on many of these things and you can see it polling and focus groups if you ask about things in the generic before saying trump believes this or democrats. Believe this. You'll get you know a pretty pretty wide agreement than as soon as you add in a party identification boom it meet. Everybody goes to their corners and immediately goes to that so So I think that's a the key is keeping it on substance the extent That is possible I agree it would be ideal. If in the media we could appeal more to that substance. I have tried to do that. I do find that because media so silo D- More and more particularly to clean the opinion world. The only people who are reading you as best I can tell our people who agree with you. and you know it's sort of the social media fact of just being able to choose your own echo chamber and sharing with people Who agree with you so as much as we try to reach beyond that I'm not sure it's it's really even possible anymore. Listeners we're talking about how to navigate tricky conversations around the Thanksgiving dinner table tricky conversations being about politics in in these divided times. Let's go to sid calling from Milwaukee Wisconsin. I said. Thanks thanks for calling. Go ahead brother so basically The thing that's happening in my family we end up having to separate Thanksgiving one for the left one for the right. I'm on the one on the. It's not it's not even intentional. Just because like week I'm on the one that hit de facto turns into the right but we reach out all we we lose it said Wade said backup a couple of what we lost. We hear you now. You said you have two thanksgivings. Yeah go ahead. Where can you hear me? Yes we can hear you okay. So so we. We are within proximity of each other right. So we're like eighty miles away from each other. We can usually gather the we want to do Thanksgiving together. They don't because I think I think this is that they're like hardcore left us and they do this. They think that the US has actually evil. So there's in terms of like official morality whereas we're just like you just don't want more than the grants here we like being white. We don't care we want them to come over but they don't want to do think that they think we're evil and we're like we're the same way you were years ago. They're just you know they do tole said I got it in. Thanks for the call. Lynn Parsley Carsley. Any any advice as a family counselor to sids family yes I would hope that they would beat somewhere somehow and and it's very helpful to start or pretty early in the conversation to say let's talk about what on your point of view. You're we're not entirely comfortable with and I'll tell you what on my point of view. I'm not entirely comfortable with and other words. Let's say something about Game Marriage or a women's reproductive rights or something like that and to say here's what I would generally say but you know that's still have a little question about where I stand on that. There are things. I'm just not quite comfortable with so again that you're not so dogmatic you know where you're saying. The other side is pure or evil. In the we're we're the good guys is to go. You know there's somewhere that there are holes in our points of view and if we admit that or invite conversation sation about where the holes are in our points of view or what we can grant each other then it softens the conversation and again you start with the intention region. Do who are these people to need. I want them to be for a lifetime. And what's quick story. I was in Hospital waiting room on Monday and to volunteer started talking about radio talk shows and And so I joined in the conversation and my first thought was this man right here. Talking is saying things that I don't agree with but a start by going. He's got to be a good guy because he is a Volunteer appear and so we started having a conversation back and forth and he would say something and I would say I grant you that and every time I said I grant you that his face they softened a little bit more and then he started granting things to me and twenty minutes later. It was time for me leave. Got Up I shook his hand wished him well and it was so it ended on such a good note even though we said really controversial things back and forth really interesting Lynn. I wanted to come back. I meant to ask Hugh this earlier because my producer told me a fascinating story that you told her before the show In terms of this idea of agreeable disagreement she talked about an experience you had a meeting your sorority sisters recently. Do I have this right in. The subject of guns came came up and I want to hear about that because it fascinated me. Oh I I have these wonderful sorority sisters and we were up in a cabin in the mountains for a long weekend together. There was about eight of US and other eight of us. Five of those women had guns with them and That's not where I would go with gun control but we had conversations about it and I felt like we listen to each other and there were comments made that I thought I'm not even going to to touch that To preserve the unity of the group in the harmony of the group. But there we were sitting there drinking wine and talking about guns and and I had some real strong feelings about some of the things that were said but just kind of lobbed as soft soft blow over and that brought back their opinions and their reasons for believing and It it turned out really well but it. It was humorous to me that out of eight of us. Five of those women had guns guns with them. These are the times we live in. Let's go to Corey. He's calling from Enfield Connecticut. Corey go ahead. You're on the air. Hey how's it going I just wanted to touch base on a couple of points that were made that I really that really resonated with me Ah I the thing your guest mentioned about the the Echo Chamber. I I feel like a lot of the Anti partisan kind of this is my side. This is your side clear. Defining lines are really starting to lead us into confirmation bias. A lot of the time and I feel like that's really stifling. The discussion Russian because a lot of good debates on beliefs and politics they start with you giving up ground somewhere. I I mean for for an example. A lot of people that I know mostly lean to the right but they have some either centrist or leftist values that they also also believe but nobody wants to start with that they wanNA start with the main issue the big things that they want to tackle the things that they wanna tell someone else. No you're wrong this is what's what's real. This is the fact when I feel like nobody wants to start and say well. This is one thing that my side or the left after the right side doesn't believe but I do and I feel like that's just a great place to start to kind of work your way towards understanding because if you begin a conversation with understanding it turned into a debate not an argument and from Corey years and years of Orley thanksgiving debate. I really think that's what. That's what helps Corey. I really appreciate the call. You put some great ideas on the table Dane. I loved what Cory was talking about this echo chamber leading to confirmation bias in essentially shutting down the ability to kind of hear each other. Yes I agree in. This happens all the time and I admit I you know as opinion journalists I am you know occasionally guilty of Name calling and all the other things I you know. Try Try to Deplore but I do think if you can you know like in earlier. Caller referred to his relatives as hardcore left us. We'll of course they're not coming into Thanksgiving if you're calling them hardcore leftist and if they're really calling him evil while I can't see why he'd want to have thanksgiving With them either. So what happens On both sides you know you. Don't don't call them socialists Even if you think they are don't call them racists and Fascists Even if you think they are just this was re reading this week about Franklin Graham who has a great deal of influence and says the people who oppose Donald Trump are demonic. How are you going to have a discussion? Didn't after after you start with that it's like you're saying the other side doesn't like America. You GotTa get away from that. If you're going to have a conversation absolutely Dana millbank OP ED columnist at the Washington Post covering national politics. Thanks so much for joining us today. Really Leisure and Lizzie Post co-president of the Emily Post Institute lizzy. It was great having you. Thanks very much wjr. Thank you so much for having an Lynn Parsley Marriage and family counselor based in Winston Salem North Carolina Lynn. Thank you happy Thanksgiving to you also also and to all of you listeners. Here's to raising a glass tomorrow. And wishing that we could all come together for the common good good. Have a great thanksgiving. I'm Anthony Brooks. This is on point.

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Dave Free - the man behind some of the biggest names in Hip Hop

Art of the Hustle

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Dave Free - the man behind some of the biggest names in Hip Hop

"By the end of this episode of art of the hustle. Nearly ten thousand new Mauer variants will have launched. Now. A I can help protect your data from threats wherever it lives with IBM security. Let's put smart to work. Learn more at IBM dot com slash smart. You're listening to the art of the hustle podcast breaks down the world's most fascinating and successful. People have hustled away the top. I'm your host Jeff Rosenthal, founder of summit and director of summit action fund and the owner of powder mountain today. We have a very special guest on the show the man behind many of the biggest names in hip. Hop co president of top Dawg, entertainment, Mr. Dave free. Dave is accomplished. More by the age of thirty two than most music executives accomplished in lifetime. Yes, he is known as one of the men responsible for bringing Kendrick Lamar and his music to the masses. He also along with TV has put out a tremendous catalog of artists from scissor to schoolboy q Jay rock in zero shod, but he and his roster doing things that no label is ever done in the space before from winning Pulitzer prizes and never before seen guerrilla marketing tactics to rethinking how live music should be packaged and experience. Dave is a pioneer of visionary of businessman. Dan, and unfortunate to call him, a friend. Dave, welcome to the show. Thank you, sir. And I must say you have a amazing radio voice. Appreciate that. This is you know, it's a new medium for me. So I'm just getting into it as though well, I was really excited to get you on the show because you, and I have talked to couple times about those initial moments and your story starts really young. Yeah. I was a house in ninth grade high school, you know, having beat battles on the lunch tables at my high school, and here now that here in LA Gardena hide it'd be specific I always been into to music, my brother, he kinda got me into music was a producer. So he kinda like show me the ropes of how to produce in different things like that. And kind of sparked that love always had a love of music, particularly like east coast hip hop when I was super super young. And you know, it was like if I like something that I had to be a part of you know, totally and you in Kendrick high school together, we didn't go to the same high school. He went to is actually a rival Taiba high school. He wants to centennial high went to Dina high. And it's funny. Because I grew up on the west side of LA. And then I ended up moving to the east side of LA. And it was like if anybody knows that type of scenario two different world, you know, there's so close, but so far we got introduced to a friend, and we just hit it off. It was just like brothers from another mother, you know, from the beginning. And then you met top at like fifteen years old, correct? I met top. Yeah. Turning sixteen. I believe at what's day when Dave refers to top. He's talking about Anthony top Dawg tiff with the CEO of top Dawg entertainment top again, his career as a record producer in the late nineties making his name by producing tracks for big artists like the game and juvenile and similar to Dave. He always had an ear for talent was looking for the next big voice in hip hop. Just like he did when Dave came over to fix his laptop and the rest is history have this thing and watts where it was like a tire issues, though, this thing that he's the kinda give back to the city and like, though, the free concerts, call wad stay and taught was there one day, and I knew about him because. Have friends that live right around the corner from him. And I always try to catch up with them. And that's kind of where it caught up with him. Was he already making music, and he was already involved in the music business. He was from producing standpoint he didn't really have any accent the time, but he was cultivating talent at the time. And how did you get his attention just walked up to him and told him off? I ran my name's Dave. And I do a lot of shit. That's exactly what I said. He's like what do you do? I was like a lot of shit. Yeah. Okay. And we will okay. And your first job for him was as a computer technician. Correct. It wasn't for him as a computer technician, I work for the Los Angeles school district as a computer technician, we're actually computers. I was actually a computer technician. Yeah. System support analysts for the Los Angeles unified school district district eight to be exact, and that's how I kind of guys attention. But during that time period, I wasn't a technician when I met him, and I was just young kid in school. And I know a lot about computers and technology at the time. Yeah. And I'm trying to pull this out of you. Because I remember this story you did go and chop off his computer, definitely, computer. Because after I told him, I know how to do a lot of shit. He was like, well, okay. Cool. Give me a number. And he he called me up one day. I got a laptop you know, that Nissan working on and I had Kendrick demo tape. And I was like cool. I'm gonna working at allowed top bungee. Listen to this demo tape while I working a laptop. He was like cool. Let's do it. So I came to his house, and you know, came in the room, and he gave me a laptop and I gave him the CD. He put the CD you start. Listening and I took that laptop apart so slowly so he can get through every single song. Yeah. Of kendrick's. You know, what I mean while I was working on it. And I didn't even know what I was doing. I didn't work on laptops. I was more of a software guy. I didn't know anything about hardware, especially about, you know, opening up a laptop. But it was the thing that got me in front of him at the time. And that was it. And that was the start that was the start yet. I was a start. I didn't fix his computer. But I did, you know, put them up on some music that was though so and then I my brother was still in the mix up at the time, I introduced them, and we start using the studio and murder she wrote and here, we are twenty eighteen Grammys, Oscars and Pulitzer's. Yes. Crazy amazing. And did you did you guys already like when you look back or listen back on the music that you already making kindergarten? Have it was the production already had it? And I'll tell you this all the time the first the first rap I heard from him. I. Recite it, but if I heard it I will remember every every he had an ability to put together words as such a young age. And like we were talking about stuff like growing, find gang banging and drug dealing and all that different things. But just the way he did. It was different. You know what I mean? It was just so different. Because that was like the hip hop of our time period. It was really it was mainly about that. Like, our idols was Jay Z, you know to park biggie. DJ quick snoop Dogg thousand idle at the time. So it was really about, you know, mimicking that type of sound, and that type of that type of culture, and he just the way he did it. It was like he was a west coast do, but he had east coast, you know, lyrical ability, and I heard it from the first time it was three guys. It was my boy Antonio de Moses, and in Kendrick, and I met Antonio Antonio introduced me to Kendrick. He literally told me like this. He like if you like me, you'll love kinder-. I had them come to my. My mom's house I had like a makeshift studio in my room. And it really wasn't even really a studio was just a bunch of equipment. I just played together to look important, and he came through in our remember he just got on Mike and you start wrapping. And it was just like man is do like he was so much better than other guys. It was crazy like so much ahead of them. But they were in a group at the time. They wanted to be in a group because like group was the thing back then. And you know, I was just like at all by him. I was like man, you're the one, you know, I just knew it the first time I heard him. And I love that you in Kendrick at the same time kind of folded into TD and have this rich history. This family vibe that I've always gotten from you guys that is totally unique in singular, you know, like and so take me back a little bit. You know, this is like early days, you're making music, you have the company you're in like the startup phase will prior to being from TDA was like me Kendrick in my brother, and it was about four years of that of just like. Crying in. You know what I mean in developing his sound? This is like what kind of before we met top when we did like a mix tape, and we're just working like, I remember, it was crazy. We we would come home like every night for him. And then have to be up a seven AM to go to school. High school like going to the craziest neighborhoods like to record. My brother lived in like a really crazy neighborhood and LA, and we would like man we were sneaking into the neighborhood because we weren't from that side of town. So we really wasn't supposed to be over there. And we will I sneak in this neighborhood, countless nice just to go record just to do music and like looking back on it. Now, that's something. I would probably would never do. But when you're so young, and you're so passionate, you just wanna be you just want to be where the music side. When Dave recollect just how crazy it was for he and Kendrick to be going through those various neighborhoods in the late nineties early two thousands to record their music. He's referring to the gang violence and turf wars and craziness occurring in south central LA and all over LA, frankly during that time period in the areas Dave mentioned such as Khandan in good watts. It was not a stretch by means to say that they were putting themselves in danger to go on record that use it. We developed this out, and we always had to record like my mom's garage are my brother's house, and it was never like a stable recording scenario and a buddy of mine Ron told me about a top in his neighborhood. He's like, yeah. I seen juvenile it was rapper named juvenile. From course. Texas like, our that was our Elvis and juvenile was being for us. I that was who he was like. Yeah. Top man, tossing juvenile top styles. He record nobody else. Do you on the back? And then that's when I went here, we gotta find this do like, you know. And because he was he was near. I lived in Inglewood at the time. Well, not at the time when we show recording. I'm with the Carson when I was about twelve years old. I lived in England up until I was twelve moved to Carson and kindred lived in Compton. And my parents moved to the suburb, which they thought it was a suburb. It wasn't suburb. But it was like we thought it was better than Inglewood. But it really wasn't. It was like the same. We had a nice at least, I'm all room. That was the best thing about it. Yeah. And then I I was able to get in that circle of all those guys I knew Kendrick, and then that's how mckendrick and then you know, took him over there. Yes up. And so when you were learning the business at that point like you you've always crossed over whether it's direct videos are working with the artists themselves to like being heavily involved. Obviously in all the business aspects of what you guys have grown built at that early stage where you doing that already were you already kind of a foot in both or or what were you spending your time on I was more cinema time on producing I came in producing more. So my brother taught me like he he gave me full access to to all this production equipment. He had a lot of equipment. So I came in on a producing tip, I produce like pretty much half a Kendrick I mix tape, and then it went from producing DJ because these animals like kind of paying the bills from me at the time. Like, I live with my parents with my dad was very stern. You know, when you live in this house, you you bring revenue into the house to help the house. So it was always that kind of conversation. And I would these. Day to help like bring money instead of housing money for myself. So I can go do different things. That's how I initially came in as a DJ. I didn't really know what I wanted to do. I knew that. I wanted to be in the music business. But I I really didn't know it was one of those things where I actually want to be like an artist I was more like young puff at the time. Like, you know, want to be on the song and. And didn't couldn't wrap for anything. But wanted to be in in that world, and you know, just as a growing up I start realizing I was more powerful behind the same Dave talks about young puff. He's referring to Sean puffy combs who in the early days was both managing Torius BI g running bad boy records and also appearing in the videos and recording his own tracks as a manager producer artist everything, and there's very few people that can do both. And it's really incredible to me how much self awareness. Dave had to not couldn't do both at the time. He wanted to be an artist and still sees himself that way, but he knew that he could push Kendrick and others further by focusing full time on the business aspects of the game. Like, I say probably like these was like the first round moving. Then Viagra fee will start to become a passion for me because it was like, hey, nobody will do videos for. So it's like, you know, got to pick up a camera. Got dude yourself, you know, and we're there some like seminal moments for you that you remember where you realize that you need to. Become sophisticated and business and understand the stuff. Yeah. It was a I forget what manager it was. It had to be either. I think it was Cortez Bryant Lil Wayne's manager. It had to be him now. Because every time I think about the story his he comes up, but I remember I went up to somebody. And I was like, hey, I got this artist Kate I you went by the time. It's like K dot now. I said I was as manager actually manages guy. Just I'm he's like, no, it's not your artist. I was like, well, you mean, he's like, that's your friend. He was like you're not a manager until you have something to manage it. Really stuck with me hit it hurt me. But at the same time it stuck with me because it meant a lot meant like don't focus on the business. I'd until you need to it was like focus on the music that creates the opportunity that gets you to focus on a business is. So I would think that was my first like experience into knowing what I needed to bro into. I would just call them myself things. You know, I'm the I'm the manager president on you know, it wasn't. Until I started developing those skills and having to have those conversations and being in those conversations and probably saying the wrong thing, and like kind of learning from mistakes, you know, that's sharpening the still when like you start hearing the same terms over and over again, it's like okay starting to understand. Now starting understand what they mean by when they say this or I remember one time a guy has me wish a rider, and I didn't know what the hell Utah. I didn't know. I don't want to ask them. What do you mean? What my writer? You know, he was like your writer. You don't know the writer is I'm like, I don't. The Jeep Jeep. Girlfriend. Yeah. But yeah. Over time, you just start kind of picking up, but that was probably like my first clue into like damn, you gotta like, you know, you have to grow into that space. It sounds like you always comfortable almost failing forward in a sense, though. Like, you know, you were getting a lot of it right to like the stories that you're telling our points for your like, I would screw up or I would take apart the computer enough it back together like whatever. Yeah. Though, you're creating opportunity, you know, and just making you a lot more smarter in situations. I always kind of been Phyllis in that standpoint. I never want to act like, I know something I don't and I used to try I used to try to do that. But then once you start getting around people that know, you don't know it's kinda hard to fake it. So you kinda gotta start asking questions. And that's when I start, you know, being a student more than a leader tro, try to be a student more than the leader, you know, shut my mouth and opening my ears, which makes you a better leader one hundred percent. Yeah. The scary thing now is when I feel like when I'm around people that know lot more than I do. And then they don't tell you. So what you have on it. And it's nice. Yeah. Sometimes you gotta do that too. So people can I think that's a former learning to. It's a lot of times that I felt like I knew too much and you kind of fall on your face. And then you that's what the opens those years a lot more. I mean, this this last two years for you guys been insane. And I mean, the whole path it's the the timeline is it feels like an institution TD. And like you have so many artists now that are so world renown. And I remember when this is a was still recording with you and you were trying to get the album out. And you already knew that this was an artist that was going to be what we see today. How do you maintain creativity in your work? Like, I know that there is a family atmosphere, and I'm sure a lot of it has to do with tastes. But it's one of the things that I'm inspired by the most when I look at TV it blows me away that you put out such incredible work you continue to and it's getting better, which is which is what you know. We can aspire to. Yes. A high standard we have very high standards on quality. We believe that you take your time, and you present the best quality, and you don't have to work hard. You don't have to work, you know, as hard as all the other people make a scene like you. Do you do have to work? Hard Salat of hard work that goes into it. But it's better than just like peddling against the current in just trying to keep up. It was a lot of time that we did that that plan of like trying to keep up and doing what everybody said make this single make this on you come and make this. And then you they tell you to make this. And then when you deliver that song, you know, you're three months too late. It's a new song you have to make. And it wasn't until like label strategy for your artists, essentially, just like watching what other people are doing in a, you know, you get influenced by that a lot of times. And I think it was the point where we, you know, start turning off everything else. Like, turn off the radio turn off the TV turn off all these devices that no that poured into you. And just start kind of following our own voice in a sense. And I think that that kind of changed the scenario force a ton will I know a change the scenario force at time because we start speaking from my own voice. And then you start realizing too. It's like repetition this kid, you have to you have to be relentless. And you have to do it twenty times to make you perfect once and the time you take to like slow down and just realize. Okay, cool. This first one was practiced the second one was practiced the third one's practice. The four force practice in the fifth. One was good. And I could put it out right now. But if I keep practicing I practice this long, and it got to this point where I feel like I should put it out. But maybe I should go five more times. And then that was that concept of like sharpening, your tools, you know, just keep Scharping them sharpen them sharper them until you drop a paper on any cuts right through. This is Serena serve or Stephan. Curry's three pointer. Exactly, I feel like every successful person has something in common. They there were lent. Listen their ability to continue to sharpen their tools. You know what I mean? And you have to have some type of story to like, there's no I don't think it's anyone great without a story. So I feel like you kind of have to go through those up and downs and those up and downs kind of make you who you are that personality sharpness that personality and then. Thing. You know, you're doing interview with you. And I wanna ask more about you personally. And how you do that day. But I'm so I'm so fascinated by this concept. Like, I I was relisting to some of the most recent like Kendrick Jay rock says the albums on the way over here, and it's a unique idea, and it's beautiful, and it's enlightened and the music's great in the content of the of the poetry is like next. It's like, so I totally acknowledge and recognize what you're talking about. Where like you've created the DOJ o or like, the sound of the vibe, or, you know, the set of principles that has allowed your artists to continue to create this level you ever have people that are like remarkably talented, but don't really fit the culture. Yeah. There's always scenarios like that. I mean, I was on the phone with somebody today that super talented they fit in the culture of what we do. But it's hard to recreate the same thing. And I think that's you know, what people want a lot of the time from brands, and I think we've. Focused on kind of leading artists beat themselves in London develop in time. And I think that kinda was us apart from a lot of different labels. A lot of different people is how much time we give ours develop. I think the development stages have been stripped away from a lot of artists is so much focused on fame and fortune and popping right now. And a lot of times you have to forgo, you know, right now the present time for the future, and you have to have that insight to do that in a lot of ours that come into the fold have to compete with what we already did too. So it's like when you're coming in. That's a crazy amount of pressure. But for us, we not gonna put that on you. You know, you're gonna you're gonna experience that yourself in the you have to like work through it. But we're not gonna give you this mandate to be like you have to do it by this date. You know, what I mean, it's like do it in your time. And a lot of times to just even like the top of artists that we we approach. And now we go after we try to find people that have talent and hard work because it really does take both. I know a lot of artists that are. Super talented, but they don't work hard enough. You know, they can get on any song make great, but they don't work hard enough to do it consistently enough to get to break through. So it is a combination of a hardworking talented. I would always, you know, say I would hang my hat on artist that worked harder versus artist this time. I'll try to find both. But if I had to settle for artist, I was just super super hard. I will go go for that versus ours. As talented because you're going to develop those skills repetition, you know over time, and you might not be the one that can just come in and drop on the drop of a dime. It might take you two weeks to do it. But you're going to still deliver. And you're going to be dedicated to it, and you're going to appreciate it ten times more because how dedicated you were Bursa personnel. Just like so skilled that they don't have any appreciation for their skill is just like, oh, God bless me with this. So I can do it. And they don't appreciate they don't wanna work hard to make it better. You know? Well, we have to take quick break. We're here. Dave free bear it back. Not an awesome. This message comes from art of the hustle sponsor IBM IBM is working with clients to put smart to work and bring progress to everyone together with IBM experts are putting smart to work to help. Save species increase crop yields and make progress not just for a few of us for all of us. Because while technology has never been smarter smarter. Only matters when you put it to work where it matters. Let's put smart to work. Find out how at IBM dot com slash smart. Welcome back to the art of the hustle, but they SRI co-presidents. He thank you for being here. You know, you're talking about artists and artist you work with sharpening the sword. And do it through repetition. How how do you do that? How do you manage yourself these days? I think the ability to to do more than one job and in the space. I think that keeps me sharper than the most. Because you know, I'm just not the guy, that's like one dimensional. I'm not gonna do one job. I'm gonna do twenty different jobs every single job in TD. I've had I carry bags. I walked around with artists and managing day to day built production for shows. I've created the merge, you know, did accounting even to this day. Like, we have a super super small office super super small team on a day-to-day basis. I mean, we probably have like seven or eight people in the office on a day-to-day basis. How many people are now at? ED fulltime full-time, I will say ten fulltime employees as great. So you guys keep it pretty in line, very small. My the office is my old kind of. It's a is two thousand Griffey in his two offices in there that yeah. So and is more of a creative space. It's we're looking for a bigger space. Now, we're looking for, you know, twenty thousand square feet space. Now, just how's everything? And do you see new artists as like new is almost like a startup is it like, you know, it takes for me when it's like, you know, I think about starting a new company, it's like, okay? It takes one to three years you're going to hire an executive team. You're going to structure, you know, the business you're going to figure out, you know, the eunuch nominees or have the business works. How you make money. You know, like doing branding building a website. All these things just like doesn't matter if it's, you know, small large whatever do you now have kind of like a roadmap for new artists like that we have a structure, but. In the music business. I think the best thing to be nimble when you get to locked into a structure Houston does on you. And you get old because everything's forever changing like the rules change so much even with streaming within the last few years, I did an interview and the main topic of the interview was, you know, not getting locked into old ways and trying to be, you know, try not to think that just because it's this work for this artist is going to work for the next because it doesn't work that way, and even like trying to call in your fan base, even to sometimes, you know, like they might like this artist. They might not like this other artists are, but they, but the, and there's some that might like this might not like the the main ours you thought so I think it's a is really based on the ability to be nimble into be open to new ideas and new ways of doing things, and I tell my guys all the time challenged me. You know, what I mean like to this day, my mom, my main quotas. I'll take information from a three zero three zero. Has the key member three zero came to me is like issues are wack, and I was like what the hell? What the hell? Three. I mean and in I didn't wear shoes anymore. In the moment. I felt like. I'm not listening to this kid. But then when I got home I lick that he that was honesty, and he didn't have you know, when kids are. So, you know, so young they that's the truth. Like, they're just saying how they feel. So it wasn't from meeting place. It was just he was on his kid. And I think that was like a life lesson for me when it came to the music business. It was like you can get information from anyone, and you know, if your ears are open, you know, if you're close you can't, you know, also read that you guys encourage your artists to give real critique hundred new albums that you is that something that you do do you like bring everybody. Play it. It used to be when we first started. It was like people were, you know, we don't want, you know, ours are sensitive. So you don't want to like, you don't wanna critique to the point where you hurt. But you want to be honest. And I think that's the key is, you know, complete honesty. So we will bring all the artists in we say nobody has to write their name on this pad. But we don't pass this Pat around and everybody's going to vote on this song. And then the votes with would be the thing. But now, we got to a point where we all know each other. So well, you can ride your name when the Pat, and you can say this is what I hate. This is what I don't like. And we've had we've had some brutal meetings man, I'm talking about ruled or brutal brutal meetings. Because I've always like I was I was one that was always gonna speak. Honestly. So it was like you have to teach people that too. Because some people don't think they can be on some people are like this is artist craft then they should be able to do whatever they want to do creatively. And I feel that way too. I definitely feel that way. But I feel that way for a person that's going to the four artists that's going to be making music in his home and not trying to put it out to a world. That's gonna kick. Critique you because that's what's. Going to happen. You're gonna put out to the world. They're going to critique you. So if you can't take critique from your brother and the person has right next to you. Then why do you want to put out to the world? And how them critique you, you know. So I think is really important for the people around you to be completely honest, and whenever I get around people United as it. You know, if I can't be completely honest. I won't say anything and in if I end, but in most scenarios, if you ask for my opinion, I have to give you the truth because I don't wanna lose you down the wrong path. I don't wanna be the guy that says you ban that was weak. And then like what you didn't tell me when blade avoid. It's like, yeah. I'm gonna tell you from the jumping there's been times I've been completely wrong to it's been outvoted on things and different things are had opinions about songs that I was completely wrong. I'm I'm cool with that. I'm cool, it'd be wrong too. So it just comes with the territory this idea of radical transparency or radical candor that Dave practices. Religiously at TD it draws connections to people like Ray Dahlia what he preaches about his book principles and how he manages culture at Bridgewater capital and largest head finished in the world. He's he's using the same practices that are used it, Google and Facebook, and you know, Kim Scott wrote about in the book radical candor, but he's bringing this methodology to the business of hip hop, which is totally unheard of. You know, really bringing the principles of art to the artists, and it's rare, and it shows his incredible maturity and poise as a business person in future leader, you know, even with videos like I'm in this space to whereas whereas directly connected with artists I can make a video for artists. I've definitely spent hundred. Two thousand dollars on videos will we as a company spent hundred thousand dollars, and and it was my concept, and it was wack, and I had to hear out to take that. Yeah. And it, and I spent my time my energy on it. I thought it was probably the best thing in the world. And everybody was like that's wack. And then guess what it doesn't come out? So I have to take it to you didn't from higher standpoint. So when you're a new artist, you gotta take it to we all have to be in that position where we take it. If you can't handle that thing, you're on your own business. Yeah. And I love learning through Osmo sus can be around billion people and be around people that have something special. You didn't really have to think about it. You can just learn from seeing seeing your crew, and like, you know, get an experienced TD came out of the mountain. Everybody's humble everybody. And then you've made a song about it. And it seems like it's a core. Mancha first principle man one hundred percent, I think we all have come from very humbling lifestyles and families. And you know, we're appreciative to be in these positions. And we don't take it for granted. We know this is a blessing, and if you don't treat a blessing like a blessing, you lose it. So we try to just stay grounded. Stay, you know, take it one one day at a time and just be appreciative of of being able to have, you know, positive great people around you, and that that instilled into you and put into you and help you grow as humans, you know, not just in business, and wealth, you know, mentally, physically, you know, like we get together, and we work out together. A lot of us in just build each other up. You know, what I mean because, you know, sound body sound mind, you know, you can you can do a lot of great things. And in the concept is still to this day. It's like I never want to be the smartest person in the room. Like, I never wanted to be the smartest person in room. And I don't think anybody in our team wants to be the smartest person in the room. I think everybody wants to be in rooms that help them be become better help them. Learn. Something you know, why would say that like the centers of power in this town in your business? Humble wouldn't be the first it has apparently that that uses a scribe that culture. And then even modern hip hop culture outside of your crew. It's not something that you're hearing a lot not do you think that that's something that could do you see other people sort of taking that on you think that something could become a cultural? Yeah. I think I think now I think more people are are really waking up and start understanding. It's all about helping each other as humans even to me like this year was a crazy year for me. Just mentally, you know, I I got a lot of success. But mentally, I wasn't where I wanted to be and I had to reset and during that time period. Resetting I've been saying like a lot of like signs that I'm on the right path and is being coming from a lot of people around me that are not in my direct circle. But it's like they see the difference. I see the difference in my energy. They see the difference in tone. I'm a very relentless partisan. And when it comes to business and achieving on on every level. I don't wanna be last at anything that. I do. I'm very competitive. I'm very aggressive about that in I had to like switch gears, and you know, slowdown and 'cause I am humble, but it's rooted in wanting to like leave something on the histories, Mark. You know, what I mean, I wanna be able to like write my name in that concrete in this state is stick around for a long time. And that has a kind of eagle piece of it. You know what I mean? But it's just in different ways. It might not be bragging and boasting it might just be like, Shannon, the trophy at home. And nobody's watching you know what I mean? And that's not something you should be doing to because you could be living in the past. And I had to learn like, you know, it is about the president's about doing things focusing on the future. But making sure that you don't you don't you? Don't get the President Mugabe on get you there. Exactly. Yeah. Man. So now here we are in the. Twenty eighteen today. There was some big news. Right. Yeah. I think you had some nominations for some Oscars and some Grammy's. Yeah. Some some big news. My phone. Very exciting morning for sure. Yeah. Tell us tell us what happened just nominations, Grammy nominations kendricks and lead for Grammy nominations. But you know, it's not about that. I mean, I appreciate appreciate any any type of recognition that we can get for what we do. But man, this is really about the people. It's about like changing, the people helping the people that's what we do for when we get the we get the accolades, I think that's a piece that comes with just being great. But it's not the main piece got off us not at all. And it's very obvious to anybody. That's ever come across you guys this about the art and the impact not about, you know, the trophy case trophy Casement's. That's you know, it's you get that moment. Like such a momentary thing for me. Especially for me the way I look at it. It's like is. I want to win everything I'm not gonna find like I don't want to win everything. But I think it does it does more for the moment than it does for yourself for the lowering. I think that that fan or that person that comes to you and tell you that you help them through something are you aspire them out of God, tell me about the gentleman day is older than me. And he was like, bro, you inspire me. And that's more. Important in any trophy can get because that helps me get up in the morning and wanna do more. You know, wanna do more like them? Okay. Cool. If I can inspire him. I wonder how many other people I can touch, you know? Yeah. Well, I'll tell you you inspire me for man. Appreciate that used by me to. Thank you. When they told me that they're interested in having me host this show. It didn't take me long as like man, Dave in the story and just by the way, I'll go, and and I don't think unless you're not for Noor, you don't really know what it's like to to have to stay on all this stuff up from scratch, you know. And I think a lot of really talented organizations can take something that has been stood up. People can help, you know, take it from ten to one hundred but one to ten men like that. And so here we are about to hit new year. What do you what do you see for CD like the what what and for yourself, man? It's a I'm in a time period right now where I see our influence is inspiring people to to to follow our path. And even you know, try to take it to a next level next up. So I think it's about us really moving into spaces that we haven't been into like investments bases in just things that people don't usually expect. So my whole brain has been like trying to figure out what is that? What does that concept like, you know? It's one thing to continue to be great in your space. But I wanna be great in our space and in in other spaces, I wanna move into other spaces, you know, a ton more. So for me, it's like what is that concept? And I've been racking my brain trying to figure it out man trying to figure it out for sure for me in particular. I know film, and directing for me, it's like it's a way that takes me off of the books and offer the numbers and helped me focus on like just creating because I like to create I like to be in the credit space, and sometimes numbers and the books and the meetings and kind of take you out of that zone. So I want to balance that out more. So for myself is really like how can I do both and have more time to do both and still in where it doesn't hurt anything. It just still helps it and how to on how uplift the guys that are around me in the guys that that that that are that that pay attention to what I'm doing and try to like mimic it. How do I tell them? Don't mimic it. You know, take my concept you see. It but make it better. You know, you can't reinvent the wheel. But you could damn sure make it faster slider. You know what I mean stronger? You can you can do that. So that's really where I'm at mentally. It's like how do I inspire the people around me? So I can get the more free time to to get more in a creative zone in develop that part for me because I feel like I've done some creative things. But I'm nowhere near my capabilities for sure. Yeah. And in terms of, you know, the business in the in the in both the artists and TD, and you know, one of the things that we went through also were ten years old in a so y'all you've been a little bit longer crack wouldn t start teething started. It started before I was actually there. But it wasn't developed at that time. It was like they top just sign. Jay rock. It was his first heart. He signed her right literally. Since y'all been in highschool you've been doing this. We we we started when we were like right out of college and the family got us really far and having like family vibes got us really far. And then at some point, you know, like we really need to become a team you need to have team accountability, not family count ability. You know, I love my family unconditionally. I shouldn't do that with a team member or somebody I work with because if we're not all you know, like as higher as and Bs higher sees like I I like being on the excellent teams in that drives my capacity higher and higher. So is that. You guys think about or something is definitely is. And you know, you deal with that when you're in the business, and you do work with so many family members. You know, what I mean because we are family even though we're not bluff family, you know, we care about each other in that way. So it is about like even even in our system, we do have people that are not so much family that we have to hire outside because we have to create those parallels because you can't have those people right in the middle of the business because they're going to be conflict of interest in that in that form. So there's ways that we have to do that right in this current moment. And for example, my brother used to be he's he's he's Kendrick Mars music director along along with Tony Russell, and he was the drummer. And you know, he's older. So he wasn't the best drummer. And it was like that conversation was a hard conversation. You know, what I mean to really like because he wasn't. He was amused director. And it was like know you have to give up, you know, having that conversation you have to I have to find somebody that can be that person that can roam. You know for the artists on the correct standard in that conversation was hard. But you have to have those things and you have to put people in other places where they can grow. And he he grew into a a wonderful music director to the point where he he didn't understand it and at first, but he understands it now clearly because we have a better drummer in there night and day. You know what I mean? So you have to have those conversations, and you have to grow and is getting skin to that point. Because we have to scale to a point where you know, we have less family and more, you know, more people. That's that's come in to try to pour that fuel on the fire. And do you look now, I mean, I know it's part of the part of the principles is keeping the blinders on for your own creativity. Do you have external things that you look at for inspiration or their their specific fields artists are people either store clear now that everyone everyone everything I mean this last year has been. I've consume more content in more information in two thousand eighteen and a half my whole life, and once you do something so it can get born, and I don't want to get bored. I don't like getting bored. I like to be challenged. I like to challenge myself. So for me, it's like any any idea? I was on Ted talk the other day. And there was a guy that was he's been like a forget his name, man. I hate that. I'm gonna give his name right now. But he's been like the pretty much in something he was like seventeen and he's a he trade stocks from jail, and he's like really really good at it. Yeah. You know time to contemplate the market, exactly. He has so much time in I looked at his Ted talk. And he was just talking about how he's literally read every single article for the last like fifteen years in jail. He's been reading every article about stocks. So he understands when people are moving off of emotion verse. Versus like was actually happening in the marketplace. And like my mind was never opened like that two years ago. If somebody was sent me that in the tax on my pension. You know, I'm I'm on I'm going outside. But I'm man, I'm so I'm so open to information from any source like I tell people all the time. And if if you know me, you know, a text message about something I didn't know about is. That's like ice cream to me. You know what I mean? Like, that's what I want more. So than than anything else, you know that you can get excited about it that you're into. Yeah. You're clearly a voracious learner in every discipline that you can get your hands or your mind on everything. Yeah. I know so much for Lucia is crazy. I learned so much stuff that doesn't apply to anything in that even with beneficial in life. But it's like, I just want to know so much, man. I feel like knowledge like I was telling I was telling the other day. I was like man it's crazy when they used to say knowledge. Power in school. I didn't believe him. You know? But oh my God. I believe it. Now. You know, I so believe enough I'll believe is much information as you can get you can make so many decisions just by having information. And it's like you have to go seek it. You have to go ask questions a buddy of mine is he he's he's going. This will be a business venture. He was like, yeah. I'm about to start. I'm about to do this investment in and I'm about to move. And I'm like don't move quick. Like, you know, like, you know, I think people say procrastination like people underestimate procrastination. I think press nation can be a good thing. Sometimes it could be indicated that you're not ready to do something. And you need more information before you make that step. And I I believe in, you know, failing to but I believe in taking your best shot to win before you fell to. So I just told him like man, he was I gotta do this. I do this. I'm like, we'll go get information. And wow, I didn't put down payment because people are jumping on it. And I said if people are jumping if it's a goal rush. It might not be for you. You got to you have to go get their information you need to call you need to. Go spend, our, you know, you'd be surprised if you just took an hour out of your day like to actively look up then formation that you looking for the for something how we could change your decision. You know what I mean? But some people just there's just they react off impose versus, you know, research, and for me man, I won't do anything, man. I won't I won't do anything research at this point in my life ever. Like, I'm a I'm gonna go researches as much as humanly possible then make the decision. I love that. Yeah. Well, this is real wisdom. And and I really appreciate you being hand share with us. And I know you don't do a lot of these. I mean throughout this entire interview. I think there's a tremendous amount of real knowledge wisdom experience for people that are on their path and on the come up anything just in closing closing wisdom principles or things that you're going to be thinking about tomorrow closing wisdom man, you can get information from three zero like that's the best of ice. I can give anybody man the shoes ugly man that. That that little kid changed my life. He really did. When he told me that so and I'll tell that to anybody like be open the open to be wrong. The open to receive information be open to close that mouth. Open those ears, and it would change your life in. It doesn't have to change it financially all the time. Sometimes just having enough information can quiet the mind, and sometimes we just need that you just need to quiet the mind. You know, amazing. Thank you. Dave, really? Appreciate you being here. Most definitely I appreciate you having me. Of course. Yes, sir. Anytime anytime you need me. I'm there. I'll take you up on it. Sure. Man. You know that? As always a jot down the things that, you know, immediately take away from these conversations that really stuck out to me. And you know, I love that Dave is such a humble guy. You know, I know that comes across when you hear him talk about the things that they've built in the ease in which he holds himself. But you know, I really do look up to the guy, and there aren't many other people in our generation that have just built so much so fast and such high quality clearly Dave new talent when he heard it when he heard Kendrick for the first time, he didn't stop. He didn't. He didn't wait. He didn't think about who else was out there. He made moves immediately. And they they never looked back. And of course, the three year old that told Dave his shoes are ugly. I'm curious what kind of shoes he had on first of all? 'cause generally the man has very nice, sneaker taste and two more. Importantly is that you really can learn something from anyone every single person if you're listening the right way has something to teach you has a different perspective on. Whatever problem you're going through. And clearly that's something that's really important to him closing his mouth opening his ears changing his life day free somebody that you can really learn from. This has been the art of the hustle a collaboration between we work in iheartmedia. If you like the show or have thoughts on who we should interview next hit us up on Facebook or Twitter, if you really liked the show do us a favor and leave a serve you here or wherever you listen to podcasts.

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January 3, 2019: Hour 1

"From NPR and WB. You are Lisa Mullins. I'm Robin young. It's here now and the one hundred sixteenth class of congress is being sworn in today. It includes record numbers of women, including for the first time native, American and Muslim women and democratically controlled house of representatives. They all hit the ground running in the middle of a government shutdown. We're joined by NPR congressional reporter Kelsey Snell, and Kelsey you've covered congress for a while. Just your thoughts on this day. Well, it's really interesting to watch a really big and robust off freshman class. Come in. This is the largest that we have seen in many years, and it's also the most diverse, but I think it's really interesting to point out that while this freshman class is very diverse. It doesn't really change the overall aspect of the fact that congresses really still predominantly, white and male. So this is a changing congress, but a slowly changing congress. He'd sounds as if if you scan the the rooms you can see the difference. Yeah. Particularly for Democrats. They have made a strong effort to recruit. More diverse candidates. So you'll notice a larger change on the democratic side of the I'll well the house which the Democrats now control gets to work immediately after being sworn in. There's a short term measure. They're putting forward that would fund most of the government for another month while a longer term solution on border funding and homeland security can be debated. Here's incoming house majority leader, Steny Hoyer, he spoke on morning edition, those bills gives us another four weeks with government open with government serving the American people with the federal employees not traumatized by thinking. They're not going to get a paycheck and not be able to make their mortgage payment of their car payment or the kids college payment. We think that's the right thing to do for our federal employees. But more importantly, it's the right thing to do for our country, and for our citizens, but didn't President Trump already reject such a measure, so in that case, what our House Democrats doing here. I mean, Republicans might say they're showboating. Well, just. To clarify what they're doing is. Democrats are introducing a package. It would include full your funding. So through the end of September for six of the seven areas of government, and then leave would leave just the department of homeland security and fund that for another month to give them more time to negotiate. Now, those bills as Democrats keep saying the those six bills were negotiated by a Republican controlled congress, the one that just wrapped up as had just a few minutes ago. And they're saying that these were Republican approved bills. And while the president says he won't accept it is important. I think from the perspective of Democrats are. So they have told me it's important for them to put their stamp on it and say their first act in office is to say that a shutdown is not something that they will accept and then they put the political burden on Republicans in the Senate, and in the White House to make up their minds about how to respond, so it shifts kind of the Democrats really very much want to be able to to claim a space of being the adults in the room about the shutdown. And they think that doing this will help that will. And what happened in that meeting yesterday that we know this was President Trump inviting the top congressional leaders to the White House to talk about this standoff and afterwards here Senate majority leader, Mitch McConnell. Jimmy. And we're hopeful somehow. In the coming days and weeks, we'll be able to reach an agreement reeks weeks. I mean paychecks will soon be stopping toilets and garbage cans at closed public. Parks are still overflowing. What's the sense is there really essense it might be weeks while it's hard to say at this point. And I mean paychecks have already stopped for many of these people, including the contractors who would not get back pay. So we're talking about people like the janitors and security guards who are working here or who are furloughed now it's really unclear to see how long this will last. The majority leader McConnell is tends to be very cautious guy doesn't want to over promise things here. But it is possible that this could last week's because it's entirely up to what the president is willing to except somebody has to back down to make a deal. Yeah. Well, and we're thinking of the things that might happen. And for instance, the US immigration system has already taken a hit the system. The government offers employers to check the immigration status of potential hires is completely unavailable. And of course, this is the issue that the. President has focused on. So might things like that as they surface move people in different directions. Well, it's hard to say because the president really feels that a shutdown over a border wall is appealing to his base in his core. Republican voters he thinks that this animates them, and he has said many many times than immigration is a good issue for him fighting on it as a good thing for him. And he's been not at all shy about talking about shut down because of that. So if there's consequences may seem far away to him. Yeah. I just if thirty seconds listen that people there's been murmurs of impeachment. We're hearing from the top leaders like a rules committee chair Jim McGovern. No. There aren't the votes in the Senate. Well, that's probably true. The Senate is a different issue houses were an impeachment would start. And that is something that will probably be debated. As more information comes forward. NPR congressional reporter Kelsey Snell. Thank you. Thank you. Los Angeles has officially released an earthquake early warning app. It's called shake alert LA, and it's signed to warn people that a quake of five. Point zero or greater magnitude is coming seconds before the shaking begins Santon Totten is science reporter in Los Angeles. Centene how does the work? So I just download it. I have not gotten a an alert. So I don't know exactly what look like when an earthquake strikes, but the way it should work is that you know, you have to turn the app on once, but you don't leave it on and it will work in the background. And when it gets sort of an indication that they're shaking happening in the distance somewhere. You'll get a little buzzing on your phone. And it'll say, you know, you've got I don't know ten seconds before you should feel shaking in your area. And that'll give you enough time to drop cover get under a table. You know, make sure you're safe and you're ready for what's about to happen. Well, let me just say I'm glad that you haven't gotten a warning yet. And and we hope you don't for quite some time. But I guess the way this works is the speed of modern day communications like a warning that you'll get on the app is faster than the seismic shaking that goes through rock. Is that correct? Yes. So what happens when you have an earthquake is that you've got. Two different kinds of sort of seismic waves and the first ones are called p waves, and they're actually not that damaging. They're not really the kind would feel, but that would be set off I and those who travel through the rock and the sensors that we have all throughout the state these little boxes that we've buried in the ground near faults. They're going to pick up that p wave shaking, and they can send an alert that goes faster than the p wave to all the phones, and satellite towers and stuff like that saying, you know, hey, something's coming your way. Then the second set of waves s waves they're the ones that really shake the rock kind of like the incredible hulk pounding on the ground sort of thing. And those also go a little bit slower than modern communications. So you really have all this time. When there could be lead time, if we can get the message out with these centers felt something shaking, but it hasn't reached people in major cities, maybe at or far away from the fault. Now, the problem is if you're standing right on top of the fault, there's going to be virtually no time for a warning to happen. We wouldn't be able to beat those shaking waves. But if you're a good distance away, maybe one hundred miles or something from the fault. You could get you know, tens of. Seconds of warning. And that could really be a huge wound for anybody who needs to get prepared. That's a good point there. I mean, how much warning would it take to really be able to prepare? If you had just a few seconds. What could you do in that time? Well, you might not be able to do a little hot. If you're hearing this right now, and you're about to have an earthquake drop cover get under a table or something and hold on. But what really is important here is all the things that could be automated. So Lisa imagine an earthquake starts and all the trains and California suddenly slowed down or come to a stop. So they don't get thrown off the tracks. Imagine if in hospital surgeons get an alert, and they can put down their scalpels right before they're about to do some sort of tricky incision. Elevators pause mid air. So that they're not going to, you know, get jostle. The fall even utilities could shut off. So power lines aren't gonna break. There's a lot of automated stuff that could happen within seconds. And that's the stuff that could really be important. And some of this is already going on in Mexico and Japan there early warning systems there that have worked very well. What are the possible for? False excuse the word, but the faults of this one. Yes, so. Yeah. Mexico and Japan of both had there's for quite a while decades. And one of the things you have to worry about is that there are a lot of false alarms. That's going to be part of the game here, there could be shaking caused by construction or other things that might be able to trigger. It in weird cases. There's also just false alarms were maybe the shaking wasn't as bad as they thought. And you're going to see that there might be a quake. And then you feel nothing. We may if you have this app get an alert, and then feel nothing, but I guess it's all supposed to be worth it. If we get that warning before the big one. So this is just for Los Angeles County. Are there any plans for similar app in in other cities in California for the whole state? Yes. So right now, we've got several hundred sensors in California, they wanted you maybe double that. I think we have about six hundred in California, and maybe eight hundred up and down the west coast and the sensors, you know, if we get a whole bunch more we could really expand the system right now, we're just highlighting this app in Los Angeles. But there are plans for a state wide one to be rolled out eventually, and I think the goal one day USGS would love to have a whole west coast wide shake alert that could warn people even in Seattle or orient about impending quake, doom and pending quake. Jim it sounds like if you have that kind of hanging over your head that there might not be any applicant make you feel better about it. But you live in Los Angeles to what extent do you actually feel more secure now that you downloaded it? I'm more excited to see how the technology works. This app has a little checklist about a quote, you can get together all the supplies. You might need the water food rations all that stuff. I think that would make you feel a lot more secure because you know, there's a good chance a lot of going to survive the big quake. But the hard part is going to be after the rebuilding and getting your life back together. So the prep you do now could really help by the way when you say the big quake, the big one wouldn't what a latest forecast in terms of seismic activity. Oh, well, the latest hasn't changed a lot in that will really overdue for a major quake on the San Andreas fault. We just know it will do a lot of damage. We don't know when it's coming or how bad it'll be. But you know, the science says it will happen. So it could happen right now on this phone call. So by suddenly, go dark, you know. That's what that's what happened. Well, there's now for that science reporter in Los Angeles. Thank you. Nice to talk to you to stay safe. Everyone. We've been trying to learn more about a lengthy report in the New York Times about a split in the women's March, the nonprofit behind the huge protest in Washington after the Trump inauguration that there is a split. Everyone agrees on there will be two major groups leading the next March day January nineteenth, but why this happen? Well, that's another story. The report claims that two women of color in the leadership to make Mallory and Carmen Perez. Made antisemitic remarks to organize Vanessa ruble, who is Jewish and that she was forced out. We spoke with her yesterday. She says she doesn't remember some exchanges reported in the times. But what I remember what I was taken aback by was the idea that Jews were specifically involved in predominantly involved in the slave trade and that Jews make a lot of money off of black and Brown bodies. And and similar things were. Needed sort of throughout our organizing. Vanessa ruble, went on to start the group March on but reports surfaced that to make Mallory now co president of the women's March attended a rally with nation of Islam leader, Louis Farrakhan, a noted anti Semite and the questions flared up again to meek a toll the New York Times. She didn't say the things attributed to her and Linda Sarsour, another woman's March leader wrote a post sympathizing with her let's bring in to make a Mallory co president of the women's March to make a welcome. Thank you so much for having me on in cave. It's a very tender topic. Let's get to it. Vanessa ruble, says she was taken aback by you and carbon Peres saying that Jews predominantly were involved in the slave trade. Did you say that absolutely not that conversation did not happen? I didn't say that. At all. We've heard from the trans community when they have had issues with not feeling included in the women's March. You've heard from black women who have had. Continual sorta struggle with the women's March, and we have continued to step up to that. And to try to find ways for each community to feel included in the work that we're doing who we others thought that they heard you Eddie Harmon, who's also a white activist. She says you in Carmen Perez. We're berating Vanessa ruble and saying things like you people hold all the wealth. According to Evy Hormann. She said, oh my God. They're talking about her being Jewish and she wished she had stood up and said, this is wrong. So not quite sure there are other people who were there that said that that conversation did not happen. And why was Vanessa ruble forced out why did you and Carmen Perez not want her as leader anymore? It's very interesting that what is asked of us all the time is why did Carmen Perez and to make a Mallory women of color decide that the leadership of women's March needed to be different Anita to look different. And the question, really. Should be why did to make Mallory Carmen Perez. Bob bland, Bob Lind, national co chair of the women's March, the white fashion designer and a number of other women decide this these are women of all different backgrounds. So, you know, it is just very interesting to us that this issue is if it was just between the women of color, and a Jewish woman rather than understanding that there are a number of women, including white women who were a part of who are a part of the leadership. So it's not just that the villains. If will have attacked the others. No, actually, that's not what have you have you reached out to her game? In fact, I mean to just to speak to that we've asked for a public discussion between us and some of the folks who have made these particular charges against us, and we've actually seen where they have said that they do not feel that they should speak to us publicly. We are ready. Any time. But we like for it to happen in public. So that there can be no more miss information. Put out we'll tell me this to make how did you respond when Vanessa ruble said that because of her Jewish background she had decided to dedicate her life to working for the marginalized. I mean, that's that's wonderful. I hope that she you know, is doing that. And and finds her way to, you know, be a part of the resistance. I mean, I I just I don't know exactly what to say to that. That's great the reporting was that you and Carmen were offended by that. As if a Jewish person was comparing her own experience to the experience of the black oppressed person in the US. I mean that was the reading and you're saying that's not what happened at all. No, look, I mean, how horrible if this whole thing is sprung out of a complete misunderstanding. But you have said to other members in this again is Farah stockman's reporting in the New York Times that you have said to white activists women that you don't trust them. Actually, what I think I said was that I didn't trust particular individuals. I don't think I've ever said that I don't trust white women in general. Yes, I have challenged by women to do better. I have no issue talking about privilege, white privilege, and what I believe about it. And how it has impacted people of color, but this notion that we somehow have zeroed in on the Jewish community is false. I I have not said that I don't trust white women as a group of people whatever happened and was reported, and then became part of what people thought happened got implemented by the fact that it was revealed, I believe by CNN that you had attended a rally with Louis Farrakhan, the leader of the nation of Islam who is very gently antisemitic and people were asking you to discount that. And then that led them to think that you were supporting his anti-semitism. The fact. That you wouldn't discount going to that rally. So what I would you know, hope is that people would look at my track record twenty years of work that I've been doing fighting for Justice all marginalize people and not to hold me accountable for the words of any other individual. Now, I follow a set of principles and those principles say that we must fight systems of oepration that we cannot be effective as leaders organizers fighting individuals, but rather that we must look at the systems of oppression and do the work to resist that. And that's who I am. And that's what I'm committed to. And that's what the women's March is also committed to, but I have just one more time about Farrakhan. Because as you probably know he's fomented a lot of falsehoods about the Jewish people. It was nation of Islam research that back in one thousand nine hundred one paper that claimed that the Jews were more involved in the slave trade. Then. They were the Atlantic took a look at that will link our listeners at here now dot org. But can you disavow condemn Louis? Farrakhan's comments about the Jewish people. What I can say is that much once a year track record shows that he and I do not agree on a number of issues. And I believe that anyone who wants to take him up on his issues. His words should direct those questions and concerns directly to him. What are your concerns about the women's movement too large organizations in effect, forcing women to choose which one they'll get behind, and as your friend, Linda, Sarsour, the Palestinian activists who wrote a Facebook post supporting you said the concern now is that this is exactly what white supremacists want? It was white supremacists. Who were behind the attack on the tree of life synagogue? It's white supremacists. Who gunned down black petitioner's you? I have more in common in that enemy, then you have differences between these two groups of women. Absolutely. And I and I believe that historically oppressed communities should not be fighting against one another. We ought to be working together. You know, I believe that anti semitism and anti black, racism and Islam, a phobia and all forms of hate need to be challenged to. What would you tell women thinking? Oh, no. This is the last thing we wanted was a split. You mentioned earlier that people are being forced to choose. And I hope that people won't feel that they're being forced to choose at all I think that what people need to choose in. This moment is to stand up for the most marginalized communities. We hope that people will look at the work that the women's March has done you don't we have not always done things properly. Because that is what growing pains all about. But I think that our intention of being here to support the most vulnerable and to resist in a time where so many communities are feeling the pain. It's so important, and we hope that people will turn out in large numbers. Just do what makes you feel good in your local community? We'll, but are you worried about a negative effect of this? We already heard earlier this week that the women's March organizers in Eureka, California postponed their March there because there was not enough diversity. There were too many white women the white women in that town. We're kind of offended because it is a white. You know, they don't have a lot of diversity in their town. And they feel as if they're doing the best that they can to March for people in marginalized communities, and yet they are to white. Are you worried about this driving divisions? When it was supposed to unite women. Why haven't had a direct conversation with those folks in nap particular community? I would suggest that if people want to March that they organize also Washington DC, we'll still be happening. We will be there. We will be marching on January nineteenth, and it will be all over the country. So I suggest that people who are looking for leadership look in the mirror and know that the leadership is is within you to make a Mallory co president of the women's March to make a thank you. Thank you so much for having me, and we will post to make us interview as well. As yesterday's with Vanessa ruble, formerly of the women's March now founder of March on adhere now dot org. Well, also post ferris documents reporting in the New York Times and the Atlantic look at claims of Jewish involvement in slavery, and we would love to hear your thoughts. All ready getting them is this a wound in the women's movement. That's long been festering and needed treating many African American women felt left out of the modern day women's move into the late sixties does any this affect how you feel about. The plan marches on January nineteenth thoughts. Welcome here. Now dot org. This message comes from here now sponsor, indeed when it comes to hiring. You don't have time to waste to need. Help. Getting your shortlist of qualified candidates fast with indeed post a job in minutes. Set up screener questions then zero in on qualified candidates. And when you need to hire fast, accelerate your results with sponsor jobs. New users can try for free when you sign up at indeed dot com slash NPR, podcast, terms, conditions, and polity standards apply. One goal of education is to get students ready to enter the workforce and as the job landscape sprouts new industries, some businesses are stepping in to help students. Prepare Liz Schlemmer from member station. W UNC reports new collar jobs. It's a phrase that starting to get batted around a lot in education, new color jobs are high paying jobs of the future or rather today. The jobs require specialized training, but not necessarily a four year degree and include growing industries like cybersecurity. Tony Marshall runs a small cyber security business in Raleigh, North Carolina. He says one problem for him is a lot of young people don't know his industry exists. If you ask a ninth grader what they wanna be ninety percent of them are going to tell you. They wanna be a football player basketball player rapper. Policemen or firemen, but a lot of other jobs are out there. And a lot of employers are hiring a study by the Brookings institute found that stem related jobs, take employers more than twice as long to fill his other jobs and a recent survey by the North Carolina department of commerce found almost sixty percent of employers in stem related fields and manufacturing say, they have trouble hiring. There's the soon NAMI problems that that's coming up because I work force isn't the line very well with the job opportunities that are coming around Marshall helps fill his new jobs by offering apprenticeships too young military veterans. That's a prime example of work based learning essentially learning about work while at work and many business leaders are trying to bring work based learning to students at younger ages. Everyone is recognizing that that you have to start to grow your own workforce. Ashley beauty is the deputy director of the North Carolina business committee for education. Shen? She says it's no longer realistic to expect schools to fully train students for high tech modern jobs. What we're doing differently now is trying to tap the employers to to initiate this momentum and saying employer you are responsible for opening your doors, and creating these opportunities such as offering guest speakers in schools on the job field trips for students career fairs and entering chips and NCPC has built a new tool to help employers connect to classrooms, it's called the navigator. The navigator is a marketplace that allows educators to access resources that employers have educators can go online and pick out resources for their students say a cybersecurity expert to come talk to their computer science class except unlike other online shopping spots, everything on the navigator is free. The business committee says it's the first of its kind North Carolina. Governor ROY Cooper is getting. Behind the navigator in plans to help spread the platform to other states. It's gonna make our workforce better because it allows real life collaboration between educators and the workplace the navigator launched in December. It's already open to public school pre K through twelve educators and NCBI is now recruiting more employers to open their doors to students. Employers can also use Tavernier's internships in programs. They already offer employers link Tony Marshall from the cyber security business. I think the navigator could be a wonderful tool and in terms of educating those young people so they can opt in I don't know how many young people that we have that up out of some of these jobs because they just don't don't see themselves in it and North Carolina players have a big task if they want to grow workforce to fill the twenty two thousand tech jobs that are currently vacant across the state for here. Now, I'm Liz lemon. North Korea's top diplomat in Italy and his wife have disappeared from the embassy in Rome and are reportedly seeking asylum in the west this is according to South Korean intelligence officials who briefed lawmakers the BBC's James Reynolds is in Rome and James what do you know about when North Korea's acting embassador chosen Gil vanished? And where he might be the reports were getting Australia. These reports the first ones coming from Seoul's suggest that he was lost scene at the end of November. So at least five weeks ago, those reports also say that he has requested asylum. We've put that to the Italian foreign ministry, and it has replied by saying it's not aware of any asylum requests from him. So the moment we simply cannot answer the question where is he? So is there any reason than to believe that something more sinister might be going on that he could have been kidnapped or killed or? Any other option? There's certainly no reports coming out from so from South Korea about that in bear in mind, those news papers in so, of course, extremely well. Connected with this kind of story, and the fact that they haven't broke us or run any of those stories tends to suggest perhaps that's not necessarily well that thinking, but nevertheless, it is a very interesting question. There is a forty eight year old man, and his wife, he has been the acting embassador to Italy, a pretty senior role a role right to the heart of the west a role in which he would have had to deal with the UN's food and Agriculture Organization Avital linked given North Korea's. Unreliable food supplies. We don't know what he is. Are we hearing anything from North Korea? Not that we've seen here in Roman bear in mind. That's not particularly surprising because North Korea wouldn't I think necessarily give any kind of commentary on what clearly for them. Maybe a very very embarrassing story and that full the developments have been picked up and reported festival by the south, South Korea, and embarrassing story for what particular reason, this is certainly not the first defection if it is a defection from North Korea because essentially a country like North Korea doesn't want to defections why from its point of view would anyone wants to defect country. Which of course, he's a pretty good country. The fact that there are defections that was a senior defection in two thousand sixteen in the UK is, of course, a blow to the prestige and the reputation of that particular state we can't yet woke out what has happened. But it's very clearly he's no longer reporting for juicy if it is discovered that this North Korean diplomat. It is indeed seeking asylum in Italy is Italy risking anything if it grants it. I think that something that the Italians will have to deal with when it gets to them. Very clearly. They did make a protest in two thousand seventeen off to Italy expelled, the then ambassador in protest of nuclear tests by North Korea. So Italy has taken steps against North Korea. Which is why Mr. Chou the man who has disappeared became the acting embassador whether or not AT wants to get more involved in asylum. Whether or not Italy feels that have South Korea, which is a Cosa welcoming home for many defectors wants to take that on is entirely unclear at the moment. Okay. The BBC's James Reynolds in Rome, thinking, James, my pleasure. To colorado. Now, we've heard a lot about the economic benefits of legalize marijuana. Colorado has brought in one point five billion in state revenue since twenty twelve but the new laws are putting one job in jeopardy. Their marijuana sniffing dog. It seems sniffing dogs can't be taught to unsnapped for marijuana. Now that it's legal and in one case in Moffat county, Colorado marijuana sniffing dog named kilo alerted handlers to search vehicle, but what they actually found was something else and judges later ruled the search illegal. Let's find out why. And how that's affecting other pot sniffing dogs like to low who lives in nearby rifle Colorado with his handler police officer Garrett Duncan of us are Dunkin welcome so too low knows how to sniff out and find marijuana. And by the way, he's an officer. Correct. Yes. Yes. Is so interesting officer that this has become a pro. Problem because cases are being overturned one that we're reading about in dog named kilo. Will the reasoning is is because people do with marijuana being legal have a reasonable expectation of privacy for that particular odor. When we talk about dogs, and the way they work the dogs are locating and odor that they're trained to detect the case up in Moffat county the courts brought up the fact that we'll wait this dog is trained in marijuana. So how do we know he didn't indicate you know, marijuana? I don't believe that they actually found any marijuana. They actually found some drug paraphernalia with residue of meth on it. But the court ruled that defeat been smelling for marijuana. That's now legal the United States Supreme court has ruled that when officers have probable cause to believe that there's illegal and in this case, we'll just use substances such as drugs inside of equal. If we've built up probable cause we can search that. Well, so where the dogs considered. Probable cause before the recent ruling in Mafa county, right? It sounds like judges now are saying, well, wait a second. We don't know if they were really probable cause. Because if they were smelling marijuana, that's legal. Yes. And then that brought into question the dogs that are currently trained on marijuana. Yeah. How hard is this for departments to you know, as we said, you can't just tell to Lotus switch to just methamphetamine methamphetamines. You know, it makes our job a little more difficult than with the the recent ruling they're wanting dogs that are trained in marijuana before we deploy them. They want us to have more reasonable suspicion that there might be something other than marijuana there. Right. So again, you can't just rely on too low. You also have to have some other reason to have gone into somebody's truck or car or whatever something other than to those knows. Which is why we understand that officer to though will be retiring soon. Yes, he's he's ten and a half. He's been. With the department since two thousand ten the question that was brought up a moment. We were deciding on how to replace too low was whether we wanted to train those dogs on marijuana still do, you know, actually, we made the decision not to because it's it's not as practical to have a marijuana sniffing dog on the road anymore. Well, those towns that seem to be replacing their marijuana sniffing dogs are training the new dogs only on heroin or ecstasy but not marijuana. So that again, these dogs can be reliable reasons for them to take action. Sounds like to Lowe's had a good run. But I'm sure you're going to be missing him. I'm kind of a rarity. I actually own him the department doesn't. So no matter what he's coming home. With me. It is expensive to buy these and train these dogs thousands of dollars for some towns. I'm sure it's not that easy. No. And actually not in our scenario. It wasn't. We actually got to low because of me, I went out I purchased him as a puppy. I got him trained in the department was able to pay a few dollars. So that we could get certified. And now that we're looking to replace him. We don't just have an extra ten fifteen thousand dollars dogs green without any real training can be five to ten thousand dollars on top. You have to add on the time for training and getting certified in that can add on another expense that a lot of departments, such as, you know, rifle because we don't have that kind of money. So we actually had a local four H kid named Carter folk he came to us and offered to help start raising some funds. So that we could purchase a new dog. So Carter was instrumental in helping get us to new dogs that will be certified in January to take tools place. Is will they be some sort of retirement ceremony for too long? Yeah. We're actually going to have a retirement ceremony at one of our local little theaters the theater here in town on January twenty fourth in. What will you say to two low about his contribution to those contribution to our community has gone not only from you know, locating drugs and getting drugs off the road. We do a lot of public relations stuff in the schools kids. Love him. Parents bring up their kids. We get to talk. What's his biggest bust? His biggest case, drug wise. His biggest was before marijuana was legal eight pounds of marijuana. The other one was a kilo of methamphetamine well officer Garrett Dunkin we would like to salute officer to low again soon to be retiring and wish you well. With a new pups that Carter folk helped bring the department you just you just never know what you're going to have to deal with in law enforcement retiring marijuana sniffing dogs because the change in the laws. Who would have thought? Yeah. Officer. Thank you. Thank you. the Clemson Tigers Alabama crimson tide will play in the final college football game of the season. Monday night, we've seen this before. This is the third time in four years the teams face each other for the national championship. And if you like to go to the game, you're in luck ticket prices are falling fast. They're now hundreds of dollars lower than usual for game of his caliber. Let's take a look with here. Enough sports analyst, Mike Pesca, he host the daily podcast the Justice late dot com. Welcome back. Mike, thanks for having me so money in a minute of I the game itself in the twenty fifteen season, Alabama, Clemson in two thousand sixteen clemes knocked off Alabama. So who has the edge this season? Yeah. Let's also mention that last year when Alabama made the championship game. But Clemson did it was because they Clemson in these semi finals. So this is a quite familiar matchup. And I would say do not that. Against the crimson tide each of these teams, so as we've documented these are this familiar rivalry. But that doesn't mean the players have played each other. And in fact, neither of the quarterbacks have faced the other team and Annella bam. You have the runner up for the Heisman to attack viola. And he I said that wrong Taegu vilo, and he's amazing. He very well could have won the Heisman. And he's been he's been dissecting defenses on the other side of the ball. You have a young kid. Trevor Lawrence read from his Wikipedia page Laurence's regarded as the best quarterback prospect ever ever, and it's like a PD, and you know, someone from I don't know Florida state or South Carolina would've jumped onto corrected if it were true. So these are great quarterbacks on the field. I do think Alabama and their defense have the edge. So you're he's pretty good. Why then have ticket prices for the game and Santa Clara fallen so much lower than they usually would for this kind of championship game face value. Ticket of nearly five hundred dollars is now selling in some cases for the price of. Good dinner for two with drinks and dessert, really? I think good dinner for two goes for six hundred New York City. I would say is just that it is the familiarity, but also don't discount the fact that this game is in Santa Clara in northern California. You know in the past the last time they met they were in Florida, so Alabama, South Carolina. These are states that but Georgia which about Florida lot easier to get to maybe the casual non die hard for either of these teams will stay home and watch the game on television or go in for that cheaper than face value couple hundred dollar ticket. So there was some angst among college football fans leading up to this game about how uneven this finals were Clemson destroyed Notre Dame thirty two three Alabama blew out. Oklahoma is there something and there's been a lot of talk of this. Of course, over the years is there something still wrong with how college football playoffs are structured. We have a two game sample size. And this is the great thing about college full. Ball is they don't it's great for arguing. They played very few games. Then you could argue about everything you could argue about who deserves in you could argue about how many teams of championship round should consist of the argument before this week was the number three and four teams Oklahoma. And and Notre Dame were in his good as some of the other contenders teams, like Washington and Georgia but in their bowl games. Those teams seemed awful. So then I was hurt. It said, oh, we don't need to expand to eight teams in a playoffs. We just need to teams, but they're retrofitting their design of the playoff or an ideal design of the playoff which probably has to be announced a couple of years in advance. How many round you're going to have their retrofitting in to the perceive number of good teams this year? And what happens if Alabama goes out and blows out Clemson or the other around? Do we argue we shouldn't have had a championship game. At all. Do you think this game is not going to be sold out? I think it will be sold out because you know, for two hundred bucks you get to see album play. Clemson again. So let's pivot then from from college football to pro- the playoffs. Schedule a set the wildcard game start this weekend. What storylines you watching for the for the postseason well in if you wanna about Clemson to Shawn Watson was their quarterback a couple years ago and he's the quarterback of the Houston Texans. And it they have an interesting team. They're probably the best team in the AFC. That didn't earn a bye. But they have terrible line and Shawn Watson likes to run around a lot. He actually set the record for quarterback getting sacked the most times for a team that made the playoffs. So I'll be watching them. Another good team in the AFC is the San Diego Chargers. They did not earn the by and over in the NFC. You know, the eagles won the Super Bowl last year with Nick foles this year Carson Wentz who is their starter got hurt again, Nick foles took over again. And he's in the playoffs. Again. They're playing the bears that should be. I don't know if it should be good game. If you look on paper, the bears are favored by the most points of any team. Playing this weekend. But it's Nick foles and the eagles have we not learned that there's some magic there just about a minute left. Mike pesca? I wonder if you can talk about some of the questionable decisions that coaches have made at the end of the pro season, including the decision by Steelers head coach Mike Tomlin to to bench starring Tony Brown. He to put them off to the side because he didn't show up for practice before Sunday's game. What do you think of that? I don't think it was questionable. I think it's very hard. When you're dealing with the best player on your team. And I know Ben Rothlisberger will probably make the hall of fame the quarterback, and he's very important. But Antonio Brown is the the most talented player on that team and the phrase quit on the team. That's something sports talk radio throws out there. But he seems he seems very upset. He wasn't showing up to practices that could be because of injury, but then showing up late and having your agent call to say that you're not going to make gametime walk-throughs. It's horrible for a large football organization Tomlin had to do. Something would not be surprised if the Steelers cut bait. With possibly the most talented wide receiver in football. Because of this my Pesca here now sports analysts. Thank you very much. Mike, welcome. Here. Now production of NPR in WB. You are Lisa Mullins. I'm Robin young. It is here now.

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20190510 Nicole Sandler Show - The ERA, GOTV, Constitutional Crisis and more

The Nicole Sandler Show

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20190510 Nicole Sandler Show - The ERA, GOTV, Constitutional Crisis and more

"The following program contains graphic material, including offensive language, your this question is advised. No democratic form of government could exist. Switch you. Now. A London pub. Looking out over London. Good evening from our CBS news room in New York. DC presents Chet Huntley and David Brinkley from ABC this is world news tonight Jennings in London backdrop in Chicago. And from our desk in Washington. Frank rebel to this historic legislation to Tele-Communications cases law create yards. And better. When the price is free. The people of a country are free. When the press is free people of a country are in danger of flavor. Before we information and the views of people making the news. It's Nicole Sandler shawl on the goals. Handler dot com and the progressive voices networks. And to get things started today because we will be talking a bit about the goal rights amendment. Our need for it and the insanity of these states taking away women's right to choose. So I thought who better to get us going with a bit of funny on a Friday, then the late great, George Carlin. Why why why is it that most of the people who are against abortion are people you wouldn't want to talk in the first place. Why he's conservatives are really something are they they're all in favor of the unborn. They will do anything for the unborn. But once you're born you're on your own. Slow life. Conservatives are obsessed with a fetus from conceptions nine months after that. They don't want to know about you. They don't want to hear from, you know, nothing no Neo Natal care. No daycare. No headstart. No school lunch. No food stamps. No welfare. No, nothing. If you're pre-born, you're fine. If you're preschool, you're fucked. Conservatives don't give a shit about you until you reach military age. Then they think you are just fine. Just what they've been looking for conservatives want live babies, so they can raise him to be dead soldiers. Live from life. He's armed throw life doctors. What kind of pro-life is that what they'll do anything? They can to save a fetus. But if it grows up to be a doctor, they just might have to kill it. They're not pro-life. You know, what they are? They're anti woman. Simple as it gets anti. For microphone. They believe a women's primary role is to function as a broodmare for the state. Pro life. You don't see many of these white anti-abortion women volunteering to have any black fetuses transplanted into their uterus is doing now, you don't see him Dopp, and a whole lot of crack babies now that might be something Christ would do. Here's another question. I have how come when it's us. It's an abortion. And when it's chicken, it's an omelet. Well, let's get back to this abortion shit. Now is this a fetus a human being this seems to be the central question? Well, if a fetus is a human being how come the census doesn't count them if a fetus human being how come with this miscarriage? They don't have a funeral going there. When being how come people say we have two children and one on the way instead of saying, we have three children people say life begins at conception. I say life began about a billion years ago, and it's a continuous process. Continuous just keeps rolling along. Rolling. Listen, you can go back further than that. What about the carbon atoms? Human life could not exist without carbon can't go. Is it possible that maybe we shouldn't be burning? All this coal. For a little consistency here in these anti-abortion arguments. See the really hard core people. We'll tell you life begins at fertilization, fertilization, the sperm fertilizes the ache, which is usually a few moments after the man says, gee, Honey, I was going to pull out but the phone rang and it startled. Berlin. Even after the egg is fertilized. It's still six or seven days before it reaches the uterus and pregnancy begins and not every eg makes it that far eighty percent of a woman's fertilized. Dave's Winston flushed out of her body once a month during those delightful few days. They wind up on sanitary. Napkins and yet they are fertilized eggs. So basically, what these anti-abortion people are telling us is that any woman who's had more than one period is a serial killer. Oh god. Consistency George Carlin. Everybody I figured what better way to get started on a Friday at a time in history when right wing asshole nut jobs are trying to take away a woman's right to choose. We talked very briefly about it yesterday that in Georgia. They passed what's known as a heartbeat law, which which says that abortion is illegal once they can they can detect a fetal heartbeat which usually happens at about six weeks before most women even know they're pregnant in Alabama. They almost came to blows in the state Senate yesterday when they were pushing you and even more outrageous anti Bill that basically makes it illegal for any doctor to perform an abortion, and the doctor could be sent to jail for up to ninety nine years for doing. So and the. The the Republicans, of course, on the panel tried to pull the provisions that created an exception for rape, incest without so much as emotion, and they almost came to blows. This is the kind of shit that's going on all over the country. Now last week it was on actually on April thirtieth. There was a hearing. I believe it was in the House Judiciary committee. It was the first such hearing in more than thirty five years. It was a hearing on the equal rights amendment. We're going to talk with the co president and CEO of the ERA coalition in just a few minutes to find out what the status is. But one of the people who testified at this the House Judiciary committee hearing on the Yarra was actress Patricia Arquette now, you might remember when she accepted an Oscar. She created a big kerfuffle because she dared to say that all women should get the same salary. Stories as men that that that that women deserve the same treatment. And of course, is she created a a whole. Racial divide because some women of color said she was a racing them. It was bullshit. I'm sorry. Her speech was great as was her statement to to to the judiciary committee. I I will post the her entire opening statement on the blog at Nicole, Sandler dot com. Let me just share like the first minute with you even have waited two hundred thirty two years to be enshrined as full equal citizens. Why because in seventeen eighty seven women were left out of the constitution intentionally while the constitution says nothing about deadlines for amendments. Congress put a deadline on the equal rights amendment. When it was passed in one thousand nine hundred seventy two I am here to appeal to you to remove the nineteen eighty two deadline placed on congress for the ratification of the just because we women didn't achieve fully quality in America by nineteen seventy eight or buying nineteen eighty eighty-two doesn't mean they shouldn't have it today. There's a groundswell in this country. Women are being elected in record numbers. Women are rising up by. The millions and saying they will not be sexually assaulted. They will not be paid less. They will not be treated as subhuman, and they will have their voices heard please some people think women do have constitutional protections because of the fourteenth amendment. But one asked about this supreme court Justice. Antonin Scalia said certainly the constitution doesn't require discrimination on the basis of sex. The question is whether it prohibits it it doesn't. So a reset court Justice interpreted the constitution as saying it did not prohibit discrimination on the basis of sex. So whether you agree with them or not the fact remains this is how a recent supreme court Justice interpreted women's rights in our constitution. And this is why we need to amend the constitution and leave no room to question. If women have full constitutional equality because women's protections cannot be left to. Corporatisation alone. So let's look at the treatment of women in America. These are present day truths. Either not antiquated horrors. We have to search for in history books. These are things that are happening to both democratic and Republican women. All right. I'm gonna pull it down now because Patricia Arquette then goes into detail on how women in America in the year two thousand nineteen are treated, and it's not with equal treatment under the law. Which is is the main problem? We're calling is Carol Jenkins. She is the CEO. Hello. Hey, carol. Hi, Carol Jenkins. Hey, carol. Hi, it's Nicole sampler. We're on the air now at Nicole, Sandler dot com, of course, on the progressive voices network. Thank you so much for being with us today. I was just I just actually played a clip for our listeners from the hearing on I believe it was the House Judiciary subcommittee a little over a week ago about the equal rights amendment. And I was amazed to find out that this was the first congressional hearing on the RA and more than thirty five years. Yes. Can you? Can you believe it that they went that long? Ignoring the rights of women could not end. Well, Carolyn Maloney, congresswoman, Carolyn Maloney, introduced the ER a every every congressional period. And no one paid any the slightest attention there people signed onto the Bill, but no one would bring it to the floor vote on it. So this was historic at. It was a promise that Jerry Nadler who's now the chair of the judiciary may to us last year. What we did with congresswoman Maloney and congresswoman Jackie speier was put on a shadow hearings sort of a dress rehearsal as someone says to show that what it would look like if we actually got to hear that congress, and many many of the congress people came to that alyssum Alana was with us, and Jessica Lenihan one of the you know, cases that we talk about all the time when we talk about the need for the ear. ERA Carol royse bless Remond. Who's on our board was many years, you know, deputy mayor for mayor Bloomberg also talking about the equal rights amendment. And so many of the congress people showed up to this shadow pretend hearing, including Jerry network, and what he said to us. Then was well, you know, if the Democrats retake the house, I will give you a real hearing. And he lived up to his promise, I can't believe it had been thirty five years. Now, we knew it had been that long since the ERA was brought up to be ratified and can you explain the history and where it stands now? And what happened thirty five years ago and how we're standing at thirty seven states, and we need thirty eight just so people have because again, it hasn't been talked about very much lately. Hopefully, that's all changing now. Right. It is changing. Thank you because we're closer to them. Ever been Alice? Paul gave women to vote was the you know, spearheaded that movement thought we need to go one more ship, and that was to say that you cannot discriminate against women, and that is really all the eagle rights. Edmund says it's not you won't be able to discriminate against women. It does not even say the word woman in it. It just says you cannot discriminate on account of sex. And so all of this for a hundred dollars one hundred years, it's been about something as simple as that in the United States of America where you would assume that we believe in that and our research at the air raid coalition has shown that ninety four percent of people in America think that women should have constitutional equality. No matter what your color or political persuasion, whatever the problem is that eighty percent of the people in that reserve eight think that we've already passed the equality. How could we not right people leave? They just believe that you know, everybody in America is equal. In fact, I didn't realize this until I was reading some of your materials from from ERA coalition, by the way at e r a coalition dot org. What you said most Americans believe the qual rights amendment has been ratified or it's in the constitution running. No isn't. But what I didn't know is the word woman or woman is neither as mentioned at all in the constitution. Exactly. Exactly. But most people get it because women are most of the people discriminate, right? Of course. Like, so they get it that this means that you can't discriminate against where Ed since this country discriminates against women whole fail. You know, the the tire capital capitalist system has benefited from cheating women of a fair rent. We'll pay right? So so back in in in the seventies. When the ERA was was on the front burner as it were. There was a deadline of one thousand nine hundred eighty two to get thirty eight states to ratify it, and they missed the debt what? So what happened? Well, we miss the deadline. And then the people who had been working so hard on it got so disappointed in so set up with the the amount of the opposition that I think they just went on fighting in other he's meal ways. 'cause that's the difference between the extraordinary progress that's been made including rights for women and widespread for people of color, but it's all piecemeal. It's all subject to change at a moment's notice. You know, whatever the, you know, however, the congress changes etcetera, so these are not rights that are enshrined in the constitution. And can't be take it away. Right. So people went off and did all other things. Trying working on equality for women. Having believe that the that the era was sort of dead in order, but there were always women who working on it. And in twenty seventeen I it was like a bomb going off a set state. Senator Pat Spearman from the. Nevada managed to get the era ratified in the state of Nevada. And we all who who've been working on this for years ask our legal people really like pluses that count. And they said, yes, it counts. It was another state ratify the next year, Illinois ratify another shocker, and so that brought us to thirty seven states, and we only need thirty eight. And I say we got as close as thirty seven and a half safe because in Virginia the Senate has ratified the area with a house rejected noon. So it was just that close and it came down to one vote he needed. So. So we tremendously after mystic that that this can be done. We think for Jinyan may do it. Again, they have an election November fifth if they've managed to flip the house, they managed to elect people who support constitutionally quality for women in January. We could have. The thirty eight state. Wow. But but all of their thirteen unratified states, there's activity in almost everyone we do a biweekly hall, and you know, we get calls all the time and Georgia cold when said we want to join your calls. We're working on here. Wow. Orange who haven't heard from his Alabama? Really? So that the states that don't have it Alabama or his own ah Arezzo, Arkansas. Florida Georgia, Louisiana, Mississippi, Missouri, North Carolina, Oklahoma, South Carolina, Utah and Virginia. So those those are the places now is there any issue around? The fact that the so-called deadline was in one thousand nine hundred eighty two is that going to be a hurdle that we have to get over? Well, we are legal team does fake it rethinks. Thirty state means that the area is ratified. What the deadline expiration is an issue to contend with. And that's why we were either judiciary committee last. Two week. Because Jackie speier has a Bill to remove the deadline completely Gouda, which we which we believe we will get in the house of representatives because we could roll that. Senator Ben Cardin. And interestingly Lisa Murkowski from Alaska have a Cup lamentably Bill in the Senate, Susan Collins is Republican who signed onto that. And August king is is also on that the way they're doing it in the Senate because they really want a bipartisan affects is that they are not signing on a democrat until they have a Republican. So they're going someone describe it as they are two by two never cried public any signing onto that Bill to remove the deadline. Well, it's interesting. I'm glad that this effort is happening now again, we're speaking with Carol Jenkins of the ERA coalition there at era coalition dot org because right now, you mentioned Georgia which and Alabama where two of the I mean, the most horrific borsch in laws are being passed in Georgia. I guess it's already. Pushed through a six week heartbeat. Bill and in in Alabama. They're trying to push through something that that would prosecute doctors and jail them for up to ninety nine years for performing a legal abortion. So so there's this attack it seemingly on women's reproductive rights. Which means it's it's way past time to get an equal rights amendment passed because then these men wouldn't be able to do this to us would they well they would always try now. That's the thing that we've learned in doing our work people asking, well, what do you say to an extremist that I say nothing. They're not going to change. They will they will continue to do that. We know that this is they're all male, you know, crews that are trying to control women's bodies. So they will always try fortunately worshippers, the log land. It's settled law of all of this will go to the courts, and re believe that abortion will remain a right? But there are so many other rights of the equal rights amendment would do great assistance to and that is discrimination in the workplace, you know, sexual domestic abuse discrimination against pregnancy. Women who are having you know, children. I mean, we we agree. We're the only ones who can have Joe. But we, but we and need modifications. We need to say consideration that a man who has a back problem would get a woman who's having a baby should have should have a bonafide work and should not be fired. Which is what? Find happens all too Carol Jenkins. Let me ask you one last question on well, obviously, a related note, but not having to do with the. Well, sort of it does I guess it all does we have a number of women qualified women running for the democratic nomination for president. And yet, it seems like the leading candidates, and and maybe these two are related the ones who are getting the most media attention are all seemed to the men and white men at that there. I watch Elizabeth Warren who's introducing just amazing policy after policy. She's got a plan for that. After all it's got planned for everything. She's the most I think. You know, well rounded of the candidate. And yet, you know, I was watching one of the cable news morning shows this morning, and they're talking about how it's, you know, bite in at the top of the polls. And then Bernie, you know, who's been who's lead been cut in half, and then Buddha judge the top three when they don't mention that. Elizabeth Warren is in fourth place with one point behind. You know, it's it's just ignored that women. Yeah. But fortunately, this is an unfinished story, and I think that when it comes to it in the end of the women of America will stand up and say enough with this plot outright discrimination against women. I mean, they're insulting their intelligence diminishing their capability, and it's a it's an outrageous every they've done this time and time again, and and I think that women are just fed up. And that's one of the reasons that the. ERA is gaining traction. You know, let's do it. Let's say women are equal in this country. It's about time time, right, right? And I think I think that women will come forward to realize understand that this kind of white male adoration is over the time for that has has ended and therefore, you know, women have to be given their due. But the media, you know, if it's tough, I was the founding president of the women's media centers. Oh, thirteen years ago when Gloria Steinem Jane Fonda said we have to do something about the media because this is what is getting in our way, not only. I mean as glorious says if you're not in the media, you're not in the history books, and so people don't think you did anything. That's where you know. For fact, that women have been working, you know, as hard as they can forever. So I think that you know, we have it's an unfinished story, and I think the end you, and I will. Will be more pleased that we thought we would ever get about the outcome. Well, I hope so I I would like to see it pass in my lifetime. And I would like to see my daughter have more rights, constitutionally numerate writes that that unfortunately, I have an ad. I know I know well, it's taken a hundred years almost one hundred years you have had our spol- introduced it in nineteen twenty three. So, you know, as we say said in a hearing all the witnesses, you know, or like, you know, a century is long enough to deny, you know, women the rights for equality in this country. Absolutely Carol Jenkins again, she is the executive director co founder of the ERA coalition. You find them at ERA coalition dot ORG can find Carol on Twitter at Carol Jenkins. Thank you so much for for for championing this effort because it's so overdue and for joining us today. I really appreciate your time and input. Thank you. Thank you. I love you work. Thank you so much. Really? Appreciate it. Thanks for supporting the era. It's my pleasure. Let's get it done. Right. Okay. Bye. Bye. You too. Bye. Bye. All right. We'll take a time out. Let's get to today's what's news. And then back on the other side with a new guest to the show. It's actually somebody. I've known for years. He's one of the bloggers who contributes to dig B's hullaballoo over at Dickey's, blog dot blog spot dot com. Tom Sullivan, hasn't I've been invited him on the show before. But he'd always been so busy that he could never join me. And so now, he's sort of semi retired. He's working on a huge get out the vote effort that he's been working on in North Carolina where he lives and he's ready to roll it out nationwide to take affect for the twenty twenty election. So we'll talk with Tom Sullivan next. Don't go away on coal Sandler at Nicole, Sandler dot com and the progressive voices. Network. The news today. It's time for new coal Sandler's. What's news from Nicole, Sandler dot com, and the progressive voices network as a Friday things from China will get a whole lot more expensive for that. You can thank Donald Trump the administration raise tariffs on two hundred billion dollars worth of Chinese imports. Just after midnight Friday morning. The tariffs went from ten percent to twenty five percent China promised. It will hit back one business group estimates the twenty five percent tariff on apparel imports alone would cost a family of four an extra five hundred dollars a year. Richard Burr, the Republican chair of the Republican led Senate intelligence committee this week issued a subpoena to Donald Trump junior. Raising the ire of many of his colleagues, including Senate majority leader Mitch McConnell who had already declared the investigation case closed. Meanwhile, speaker of the house Nancy Pelosi kept up her attacks on the administration admitting that. She agrees with judiciary chair Jerrold Nadler that we are in the midst of a constitutional crisis. Donald Trump went before the press Thursday afternoon extensively to talk about prescription drug prices, but as usual he rambled on incessantly about a number of topics, including the disaster relief Bill now before the house as usual Trump lied about the amount of aid. The United States has sent to Puerto Rico in the wake of almost total devastation by a one two punch of direct hits by hurricanes. So you understand we Puerto Rico ninety one billion dollars for the hurricane. That's the law. Given to any state talking about states and quarter Rico liar ninety one billion dollars. You lies got thirty Florida got twelve for to Rico ninety one billion Meyer. So I think the poor people Puerto Rico should really like President Trump. After those remarks this happened on CNN, they didn't get ninety one billion dollars. That's the that's the fact check on this. Yeah. Let's let's just start from the top line. That's not true. With the president said today what he said last night in the panhandle in Florida where this is obviously a big issue what he said repeatedly, including in closed-door lunches and close-door meetings with Senate Republicans the ninety one billion dollar number is not true period into story. Let me interrupt here to say, I don't believe that that particular reporter was in the room when Trump lied about this. But that was the proper follow up to be said to his face from the safety of the CNN studios. Phil Mattingly explained what is true in the wake of the hurricane. They have been allocated. We're around forty two forty one billion dollars by congress of that allocated money, which obviously is fifty billion less than what the president's saying. It was a little over ten to fifteen billion has actually been paid out to the island. The island has let's make perfectly clear has had serious fiscal issues before the hurricane, and I think that's one of the driving forces about the disagreement over this. And that's part of the frustration that White House officials have said the president has he believes that they haven't been handling their finances well enough, and therefore shouldn't be given more money. The issue is the top line number, which he often brings out a chart and shows the graph is related to long-term projections from the office of management and budget in terms of longer than ten year budget window, what the total cost may be in federal assistance needed to Puerto Rico, given the damage they faced it is at the heart of the current fight over a disaster aid Bill this has been stalled out now for weeks because the White House is made clear. The president does not want any more money for Puerto Rico. He doesn't believe that they handle the money correctly. And Democrats have continued to fight for that money. Chelsea Manning is out of jail for now the former army intelligence analyst had been locked up. About two months after refusing to testify to a grand jury about her disclosure of military and diplomatic secrets to WikiLeaks. Manning was released Thursday from custody and detention center in Virginia because the grand jury has disbanded, but she could soon return to jail because she received a separate subpoena for next week while she was detained. Her attorney say she won't testify in response to that one. Either the Alabama state Senate Thursday erupted in chaos over what may become the nation's strictest abortion ban after some Republicans hastily tried to remove the rape and incest exceptions from the Bill without holding an official vote. Oversight committee, men minutes, naval misdemeanor. Chambal snow motion. That was no emotion. They made a motion. He made a motion make sure he made a motion to motion. Adenine emotion. Night. He didn't even the human life Protection Act, which would make it a felony for a doctor to perform an abortion would be punishable by at least ten years in prison, Alabama. Lieutenant governor will Ainsworth admitted that the Bill is a direct attempt to get Roe v. Wade overturned by the supreme court every vote matters. And finally more Americans seem to be warming to the idea that we must impeach the president a new Reuters Ipsos poll released Thursday shows the number who said Trump should be impeached rose five points to forty five percent since mid April forty-two percent said he should not be impeached. Also on Thursday, representatives Rashida to Leib and how green delivered a flash drive with a petition urging congress to immediately begin the impeachment of Donald Trump signed by ten million people. And that's just a bit of what's news for now. I'm Nicole Sandler. If you appreciate these reports and the Nicole Sandler show. I hope you'll consider making a contribution. My work is one hundred percent listener supported and I can't do it without your help. Find out more at Nicole, Sandler dot com slash donate. This is a huge huge issue. Then we're talking about it though, Nicole Sandler show on aggressive voices and the coal Sadler dot com. All right. We're in the homestretch to the weekend. Now, I want to introduce you to a friend. Tom Sullivan is a writer and an activist. He's based in beautiful Asheville, North Carolina, and you can read his writings, basically each morning on did B's blog did B's hullaballoo at Dickey's, blog dot blog. Spot dot com. Hey, Tom Sullivan. How you doing? I'm doing good. Glad to be here. So glad to have you here as I mentioned to the listeners earlier that we met I think it was almost ten years ago. I believe we met at my first net roots nation, which was in Las Vegas in two thousand ten so very likely. Yeah. The up, and so we've kept in touch, and I've invited you on the program if you times over the years to talk about things you've written, but you've been busy. And now, you're you're you're you're at a new point in your life where hopefully you'll be available to us to chat every once in a while. So it's nice to have you here today. I wanna start with where you are those you've been an activist in North Carolina. You're on a blue enclave in a very gerrymandered red state something you've been working to correct in in the ten years or so that I've known you, right? You'll tell us about ashville, and how ashville is in relation to the rest of the state. Well, we are we're at a county cold bunkum, and when they say bunker bunko it's actually the county where that term comes from an old legislature legislator from way way back. We are a city of about eighty thousand county about a quarter million. I think we're about the seventh largest out of one hundred in the state. We are you know, we're we're known as beer city. We're known as the cesspool of sin, according to a former. States center or Republican, and we are kind of the hub for activism in western North Carolina. We have been seriously gerrymandered so much. So that in two thousand sixteen I voted in the presidential primary in the tenth congressional district. And by the time, we got to the general election. They flip the line over my house. Oh my God. I was back. I was back over in the eleventh congressional district over your house. So Asheville, I know is a really progressive place. It's sort of like Austin, Texas, yet even in Austin that the you know that they've gerrymandered at there. So the most progressive liberal city in that state is split and it's represented by not very progressive representatives. It basically the same is your congressman, Mark meadows. Yes. Yeah. God see that's not fair that doesn't make sense. Mark meadows. A the coach he and Jim Jordan run the freedom caucus. They're the most outrageous, right wing hist, right wingers. There are. Well, we're working on or waiting on that now the North Carolina's partisan gerrymandering case went to the supreme court March twenty six and we are expecting a ruling sometime next month. I'm not sure exactly when and as hard to say where that's going to go. I mean, they could throw it back to the states or they could they could rule one way or the other. I I have several several friends who are actually plaintiffs in that case. Now, the strange thing about that case that that case was North Carolina and Maryland's partisan gerrymandering case, although that was over a single single district in Maryland, no listening to listening to the oral arguments. The oddball thing was once they got to Maryland case Britt cavenaugh that. Sat up straight and thirty asking probing questions because that his district suddenly it was personal. So there is potential for Brett cabinet to be a swing vote to actually over, you know, outlaw partisan Jerry means, but we will have to wait and see. And we'll we'll we'll have to wait and see that this is one they're going to wait until it's the big case as they wait until the last days of the term in June to hand down these decisions, but we'll get it. Right. Right. And and what will happen though, is if if if North Carolina if if the plaintiffs win there are already thousands of alternate congressional maps laid out for the state, the the federal judge who made the ruling a last August, basically said. You he's he basically said he didn't trust the Republicans far enough to throw him, and he was going to get a a special master to pick for those maps and not give in if if he even gave them a chance to draw another one he didn't really trust them. So even said, he pulled out one of the maps that were in essentially, quote, unquote in the drawer and said, here's one we would accept and if they do that if they do that then all of my county, we'll be back in the eleventh district making us probably a third of the population and over a third of the voting population and Mark meadows had best watches back. Good. Okay. That gives me some hope. I'm glad to hear it. Now. Tom sullivan. I know one a aside from all the other political fights going on there North Carolina one of the things you've been working on for a while is. Something called for the win it. It's a it's a get out the vote primary it tell us tell us what it is. Rather than have me. Try to explain it for you. Okay. What it what it is is? I I'm taking on something that no one else in the country seems interested in which I guess makes me the the nation's foremost with already. Yes. The what it is is I've been working get out the vote operations for about fifteen years. Thank you. And I'll give you give you one anecdote that sort of tells suggest where this is coming from. In two thousand six I was to get out the vote coordinator for the eleventh congressional district and I'm working with the candidate. The congressional candidates feel director we went out to one of our counties, we had the election. So we sat down with the leadership. And we said so were weak out. What have you done? What else you need to do? What do you need from us? And they looked at us and said, oh, we're done and our jaws hung open. And they said, well, we we call through the phone list. And we put out the signs, and they see us looking sideways at each other. And you're like you mean, you want us to do more. Yeah. Okay. But the I don't tell that to criticize them, I tell them from what I took away from that. And this is true across the country. Outwear, governors and senators and presidential campaigns. Don't go and set up offices and put on major operations people out. There aren't exposed to how to put together countywide coordinated get out the vote operations in in partnership with their with their candidates, nobody teaches it and people tend to learn this by the seat of their pants over multiple lection cycles from the people who came before them. Here's the problem if the people before them didn't know much, that's what you learn and in the Trump era, and in the Trump era, we cannot afford for people to pick this up by the seat of their pants, you know, over multiple cycle. Right. So I am I am teaching just the raw mechanics. I'm not going into strategy or messaging or target. Heating or issues. I'm basically teaching logistics poll greeting scheduling get out the vote weekend. You wanna put on a if you're new and somebody says, well, what do you do for rides? The polls will how do you set that up? Nobody teaches that right, right? If in our county we had in twenty sixteen twenty early voting sites for two and a half weeks. How do you schedule people for that? Where do you get the volunteers? How do you supply them what you supply them with? How do you train? Nobody nobody teaches and that and that either response, that's the responsibility of the county party. It is here. Okay. And it should be because that's the most local right, right? It should be. But what happens is the state parties? Typically. After all the other stuff that they do if they do any training all they tend to focus on three things. I mean, they teach precinct level stuff is a precinct. Here's all your organize. It. Here's how you knock doors ran neighborhoods. Here's how you log onto the voter file and pull a list, but all the nuts and bolts mechanics, nobody teaches you can go to Wellstone or you can go to Pete triple C or. Candidate right or a campaign manager. But if you're in charge of a county, all those logistical matters. Nobody teaching and you know, it seems Tom it seems like it's just common sense. I mean, one of the things every election. It's one of those cliches that is like fingernails on a blackboard to me because one of those cable news pundits will look at somebody else and say, you know, it all came down to to turn out. It all came down to get out the vote. Well, no shit. It comes down to turn out the that that the candidate who turns out the most people to vote wins. It's it's just basic. And so you have this guy. You said you've been putting it in practice in North Carolina. You've been working it in in the do over election in North Carolina nine which I'm guessing just based on the the proximity of the numbers is kind of close to you. You said you've done the training and half of the hundred counties in North Carolina. This year. I expect to them supposed to be doing training in the third district, which is also has an election in a week or so, okay. So that's that's upcoming. But what basic what I basically found is I'm I'm sending this out to county county committees across the country as Senate the twenty three hundred counties last year, hundreds of activists who asked for it, vile Digby site. I got a very nice thing. I got a very nice. Thank you note from Idaho. Really, we're some can't wear some campaigners said, thank you very much. We picked up two democratic seats. Democrats had never held. And we lost a third by eleven votes kinda keeps me going. Wow. That's awesome. And they're they're using your get out the vote methods. So you have this in a in a PDF? It's a handy form. You said you're going to roll it out in January nationwide. What's this is an effort, obviously to get it into more, hands and more counties and more states. Right, right. What I did what I didn't twenty sixteen. I started. I basically send them the counties across the country wherever are counties that I can get contact with. And here's what's kind of spooky is that. If you look cross the center part of the country from Louisiana north through the plains a lot of those counties are either on organized or have not even Email address or if any page you can contact. So, you know, this is the sort of thing that we we have all these discussions, and I know you've been on in on them where we go. You know, we need to build infrastructure. Well, everybody else everybody else is waiting for somebody with a big fat. Check to come in. And do it for them. I'm trying to teach people with limited resources in computer savvy. How to do it without all that? And just nothing both and. I mean, here's here's the reason. I'm doing it is I had a I had a seasoned election protection attorney in my headquarters in twenty four teen on election day, and he walks up in the middle of the afternoon. And he goes, I've never seen an operation like this. Now, I don't get out much. I figure oh, okay. I take that as a compliment. All right. The polls closed that day Democrats across the country got their tails, kicked across the south North Carolina was the only state where Democrats picked up legislative seats. We knitted three two of them. Mike Kelly, and people started asking me, they said, look, you got the secret sauce. Could you maybe bottle it and send my counties that case? Right. So that's where this came from. That's where this came from. I see somebody Jay Ron in the YouTube chat room. I wrote at work and kind of listening. Where can I get this county government stuff is it available now for? The people who might want it. Right now, I'm am in middle of updating it for twenty twenty third version of it probably, and I may roll it out and Digby site earlier, but I expect to have the version out and I'm doing this for free. My mother. My mother does not approve wonders. Wonders doesn't either. Yes. You could've come. So no. But this is this is kind of what I do. So I will I will be rolling this out and put a link at the bottom of all my Digby posts when this goes up in January if not earlier and come. Outs by say great. And and you'll come back on when it's available for everyone because we want to get it out there because it is important because this is the kind of on the ground work, we need look, I was thrilled. When I heard that Elizabeth Warren went to this little town in. West Virginia of all places that has been just decimated by the opioid crisis to speak there today. This is a town with like one hundred people where they've gotten prescriptions for like a million, you know, Oxy pills over the last year and people are dying. And so she went there to this tiny little town in West Virginia to roll out her opioid plan, and the people there were thrilled. They're like, oh, you know, I'll take help from anywhere. I can get it. The fifty state strategy was so important. It's something that obviously Hillary Clinton did not do. But but it's touching people getting out. The vote means getting out in each and every county or district or precinct and knocking doors and connecting with people and making sure they know how important it is. They get out and vote. Right in my end of that is that so many of these county committees never get trained in that people roll through. I had a I had a a thank you note slash rent from county cheer in another state when I sent it to her, and she's absolutely my target audience. She said I never done any of this. I got off the couch November ninth twenty sixteen a year later. She's the county chair facing her first general election. She said the people she took over from left her with nothing her district. Share was incommunicado couldn't get a return call from the state party. She said, you're the first person from the Democratic Party whose offered me help to do John. God. That's why do it. Well, and see we need we need at least fifty of we need one of you in each state. Tom Sullivan, we need so some hopefully this, you know, the this guide that you are read. Gibbering for for twenty twenty to be out. Hopefully in January, if not sooner we'll help people in counties all over the country with get out to vote effort. It's so important. I look at what's going on in this world. And it's pretty bad down here in Florida, which seemed to have taken a hard, right? Turn in twenty eighteen. I can't imagine living in North Carolina. Even in Asheville just being surrounded by people who are so Republican just you know. You know, I'm I'm in a I'm in Broward County, which is the the bluest county in all of Florida, as you know, ashville is probably the bluest part of North Carolina as well. But I, you know, I still can't believe it. When I meet somebody who is a Trump fan. I don't understand how anyone can support a guy who was so horrifically corrupt who is so. Mentally unhinged and dangerous to the future of not only our country, but the world I see this as not only a constitutional crisis wherein, but national emergency your latest UPC wrote yesterday up at dig B's blog, you titled conman in con women and just this week, we learned the extent of, you know, don's conning ways with with the the fact that between nineteen eighty five and ninety four he lost one point seventeen billion dollars. And he talks about it as well back in those days you wanted to lose money. I mean, the on top of everything else. He's just the biggest fucking liar. I've ever seen in my life. Right. He lost all their money. I think of all the taxes I paid on the money. I dislike right. He's crazy. How anybody say this man deserves to be president? I don't know. And I was drawing the parallel with this woman who was convicted yesterday or sentences. This woman who was who was written up in the in Vanity Fair and New York magazine this woman, Anna sarokin slash Delhvi. Which is for a Dopp did name who was basically living as a mini Trump in Manhattan. Scamming people the passing herself off as an heiress. She Kander way extended stay in a luxury hotel Kanda friend into paying sixty two thousand for a trip to Morocco pass bad checks rented a private jet with a forge wire transfer from joint Eubank about the only thing she did that wasn't Trump ish she handed out hundred dollar tips. Oh, and he he's not a big Tipper. He doesn't pay his bills. He doesn't pay his contractors. Yeah. Right. And and she and she got four to twelve. That's okay. Well, he said my meanwhile, he's sitting. Being in the White House, right, which which doesn't make sense to me. I mean, the just watching the I did you watch any of the Komi townhall on CNN last night. No, I did not get that James Komi. Well, he said a few things one regarding the lying as he said this and have a president who's a chronic liar. I don't care what your passions around tax cuts or regulation or immigration. I respect difference there. The president of the United States cannot be someone who lies constantly. I thought Republicans agreed with that. It's one of the reasons I'm no longer Republican. I hope the American people will realize we have to start at that values level. No matter what our political background and answer that question. I and if that's a close question in an election, then get to the important policy differences. He also was asked based on his reading of the mullahs report. Does he believe that if not for that? LC rule that says a sitting president can't be indicted. Would he have been what you've been charged with obstruction in Komi said without equivocation. Yes. Right. Right. Right. So, you know, let me ask you the discussion we've had on this program all week. And in fact, former congressman from a neighboring district of yours Brad Miller was on the show yesterday talking about congressional oversight because I'm afraid the Democrats are blowing it by not. Taking greater action in oversight of this president. It seems like he's getting away with all these high crimes and misdemeanors. I think they need to impeach him. As Elizabeth Warren says just because it's their constitutional duty. It's their responsibility, and we need to stop. We need to take the politics out of the equation. And then when you talk about politics, I understand the worry that we could hand and election to Trump making giving him his martyrdom. What do you think? Well, I'm I it's frustrating. How slow it's going. It does seem to be going. I just I'm not sure. It's it's hard to get a read on what they're actually doing. You know, at least Nancy Pelosi. The house leaders looks like they're moving in that direction. It's just painfully slow, and I'll tell you a weird. A weird perspective. I have on this on the one hand. I mean, it looks like it looks like they're gonna get there on the other hand one thing that I worry about has got nothing to do with Trump. It's it's that we have held impeachment hearings for three presidents in the history of the Republic, right? To of two of them have been in my lifetime mine too. And this would be the this. This would be the third and I'm like man, do I really want to have a country where we are now in the habit of impeaching president. Current right now. The question is was the last one did that rise to the level of an impeachable offense? Maybe lying under oath may the and that you know, if that's what he was impeached for. I think it was what was he technically impeached for it wasn't getting a blowjob in the Oval Office. No, it was it was a per- perjury, perjury and obstruction of Justice night. Well, and and I have to stay with no compunction at all you've take Bill Clinton, and you take Donald Trump. And there's no comparison Bill Clinton was a sleazeball. Donald Trump is a fucking criminal. He's a Griffin her. He's a crook. He's a con, man. He's a vile excuse for human being I could keep going on this. He has no right to be anywhere near the Oval Office. Certainly not having sitting in it. It's just it's an embarrassment on the world stage. I still can't believe we're here today. Right. I think I need to get one of those Adam Schiff t shirts that says, I'm not okay with right? I'm not okay with it. I can't someone I meet someone, you know from another country. I feel like I have to apologize and I do. Yeah. Yeah. Oh, no question. So. So he deserves to be is the point I'm getting at and I understand we don't want to be the country that constantly bringing presidents up on impeachment charges. Nixon deserved it. Bill clinton. Probably didn't Donald Trump does. Oh, there's no question. But you've you read that report, and it how many I haven't checked the count today. How many attorney LV former federal attorneys have signed onto that letter yesterday was about it was it was over eight hundred yesterday former department of Justice officials US attorneys prosecutors have signed onto this letter saying that that that basically the president of the United States is guilty of obstruction of Justice. And and I I don't know if they've said it in these words, but that that molar I think was. What's the word? I'm looking for negligent in not reaching that conclusion in putting it off. Basically, I believe Muller was trying to send it to congress where it should go to to move along the process without ever thinking that that William bar would be such a sycophantic asshole that he would play ROY Cohn to Donald Trump and do everything he can to protect him even lie to congress about what was in the molar report. It's just it. Bark literally hijacked that process. He hijacked it and bought Trump a couple of weeks worth of PR time where they the story. They framed the message and said, they got all the FOX viewers and the low information voters who don't really pay attention to hear the narrative over actually the course of a month from the the day that he sent the report to congress, the redacted report to congress and release it to the day that the public got or I'm sorry the day that that he sent it to that. He got it from the problem Robert Muller's office to the day, he sent it to congress. It was about a month. And the narrative was his bullshit narrative of no obstruction, no collusion, which Trump is echoed ad nauseam and into the fact we're yesterday, he even said that, you know, the Muller report cleared, Don, jR of anything, and I'm why they issued a subpoena for him. I don't know the molar report did no such thing. It said nothing about Don, jR, anything that were. Related to him was redacted. So so bar cleared. The way lied on behalf of the president to the American people and cleared the way to keep that narrative going for a month before people could read it for themselves. I think he needs to be impeached immediately. It's interesting the development that today if you've seen the thing where Adam Schiff is now talking about finding people personally only five thousand dollars a day to compel them to get with the program for for for for for not complying with the subpoena. It is one of their remedies. It's one that that Brad Miller suggested yesterday when we spoke they can jail them. But despite what Nancy Pelosi said, there's not a little jail in the capital basement their best way of enforcing right now seems to be a fine. But we'll wait and see how they enforce that. We know they talk money. Yeah. No. That's true money money matters here. Tom sullivan. We were just out of time. Thank you so much for coming on people can follow you on Twitter at bloggers are us and find you a dig does Rog Digby, blog dot blog spot dot com. Tom sullivan. Thank you so much and you'll come back on if not. You know, when the when the the the new report comes out or certainly before. Well, thank you goal. It's been a pleasure. Been a pleasure for me to. Thank you so much take care and have a great weekend. All right. Thank you Bye-bye. And you we are a flat out of time as usual, we're running a little over. Thanks to Tom Sullivan. And to our guest in the first first segment Carol Jenkins on the ER. A we got a lot of work to do people start with having a great weekend. I'll see a Tuesday by everyone.

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