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036 The Story of Bonnie and Clyde

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036 The Story of Bonnie and Clyde

"Welcome to ghostly to Bonnie and Clyde still haunt this world doc rebecca. What's been going on in Europe? All not binding Clyde well a lot of glide not the ghosts yet it. Yeah but I know but I've done well on video perhaps Well we'll get into that later. No let's see. It's it's been busy at work Things get back into gear and I finished I'm out all caught up. Finally on the Great British bake off. Yeah Ah very exciting for me but also sad because now I'm caught up so I have to wait for a new season. I kind of gotten behind for few years so I had like a bunch of seasons to watch and that it was exciting. But then it's all sad in Venice Shou Jing your show agents of shield It's going to have their last season. Yeah I also need to catch up with data so let that let that go. Decent show now the english-speaking thing here weird like the best Jesuit everybody everybody tells you and I've tried several times you just don't let yourself get into it well. I've been watching on Youtube. I've been watching the SIMS Hundred baby challenge so it's buzzfeed okay. And it's this girl that She's single so they thought it would be funny for her to try. Hi It in the Sims four and I've been playing the Sims for because of that. You get obsessed I do and I cheat yeah. She doesn't cheat there's a bunch of rules two hundred baby challenge right so you know if you're into that kind of thing. I find it hilarious. She's got a really cool. Sense of humor are so. I'll I know that anytime I talk to you about anything. You're like Oh wait. Let me pause you playing the SIMS. Yeah the SIMS. That's me so so also for me there's been a lot going on Like you know I've been planning for another year at C. Two. I'm going to say that's a we thing we I mean you a little bit more. Yeah but I've been planning it out. Bob after dark actually created a joint fan. meet up for five after after dark and ghostly fans. This is so exciting I. I'm really looking forward to that and look forward to see general but I'm looking forward to having our own fan meet up. Yeah so if you're if you're in the Chicago land area You don't even have to pay for tickets for this. Meet up because it's right at the fountain out out in the vestibule. Yeah it's a beautiful area McCormack really really nice and Yeah it's before you actually get into the to see to be too so uh-huh and you would still see a lot of people 'cause playing Super Fun and it's It's right on the lake. It's beautiful and it's going to be Saturday at two. Yes Saturday February twenty ninth Saturday February twenty ninth year so leap here those of you with a birthday. I mean celebrate and for this meet up. I mean it's not gonna be us like you know doing a show or anything we're GONNA be talking to you guys 'cause we WanNa meet you WanNa know what what what you like and what you dislike and just hang closely. Even and speaking of that on Facebook ghostly started a group for the ghostly society Heidi Yeah what's the go-slow Society so goes society is grossly fans ghostly fan basically people like the hardcore for the hardcore fans. Those that want to get a little deeper. Maybe get some extra scoop into our research and episodes kind of get some early preview of what's GonNa be happening. Yeah it's been so much fun getting to know everyone in there We we've known a lot of these people for a while but it's really it's really nice that they're interacting with each other and talking and it's like a party it is at lots of stories and I've pulled some of the best ones to maybe shares listener. Mail down the road go to the starting today. I've got one really that good. Oh well if you haven't found your way there make sure to check it out It's facebook dot com slash rush groups slash ghostly society. That's a lot to type in or you can go to our page. FACEBOOK DOT com slash goes Lee podcast. And there'll it'll be a way to enter the society from there. Oh and ghostly hit milestone. Yeah we officially hit a hundred thousand downloads. Unloads Amazing just over a year. Yeah that's it's insane We really think every single one of you for getting the word out and letting people know that you know go sleaze a thing. Yeah I mean I hope you're enjoying the episode still and that you so wanNA keep listening. I mean I would definitely say that We are probably the best paranormal podcasts. That debates bates ghost stories. Yes so I mean I haven't heard of another one I would say we're probably the best ad yes so I wanted to talk. Talk a little bit about this episode before we get to far in and I forget to mention it okay. So Valentine's Day is quickly approaching. I have to stop myself from saying Valentine yes you did. I was so proud of you right there. I was great I saw I saw post A girl grow posted. Like one of those memes that said You start dating a guy and then you realize that he says Valentine's really hand and then you break up with us. Everybody was commenting like. Yep definitely wow I do say that but I'm trying to get better. There's just going to say. Are you looking back over your past relationships and thinking wait. One was the first moment they broke up with people right around Valentine's Today Chicago thing is outside there. Okay and we say everything weird. So Valentine's Day is quickly approaching and last year. We did the only go story that you think about when you hear Saint Valentine's Day right the Saint Valentine's Day massacre. Yes where he had to say that we're at a lot I did and I messed it up a lot so go back and listen to that I say Valentine a lot. I think we should change it to Valentine. Just be easier for me so I enjoy doing that episode. How `Bout you a lot of fun and that was one with Mondo right was one of our first ones with him and Super Fun we had actually got on a tour and saw the site and everything so a lot of fun. Yeah so the only problem with doing in such an iconic story is that you have to follow it up afterward right. There's gotta be something for the next year so it's a daunting task because of how much John Joy that episode but I started to analyze this whole Valentine's Day concept and try to get to the core of it so what what goes into Valentine's Day I thought of young lovers out on a date. Flowers Candy White Castle White Castle has a white white castle for those that are not in the Chicagoland area and I think they have one in Arizona now. Oh Yeah Yeah. They are little tiny burgers that make you go potty a lot there is the best food place but it is a fast food place. It's Kinda scuzzy. But for Valentine's Day they actually actually take reservations and so I had called for years to find out and they got mad at me in and were like Sir. You have to take this serious serious and but yeah so you go there. And it's the regular you know menu but You have a server serving us. Imagine going to McDonald's donalds but they have it all like decorated and then actually tables laws and everything and then they come to your table and your order for Valentine's really cool so Yeah so that's that's probably the core of it to me is all that makes the romance into Valentine's Day Burgers. Yeah a little burgers flowers candies in lovers on a date. Okay so then I thought what if there was a famous Amos couple that were super in love that everybody knew about and they died together so what what if they were ghost and then it hit me Bonnie and Clyde so I quickly looked to see if there were any ghost stories around the famous couple apple and There were tons actually. So that's how we came up with the concept of Bonnie and Clyde a valentines days go story story yet and now I think this is the perfect choice but I will say In doing research for this there are also many Tragic love story goes stories out there so I think it'll be good for future years. Okay good with Valentine's Day But I'm excited because this S. I think is probably the biggest one. Yeah absolutely but of course before we get into the story we got some stuff to take care of. So Rebecca. Do we have listener mail. As I mentioned we do I decided to pull one from our group our new ghostly society group on facebook just a little taste of the kind of things that you might find the group group. You can join that So this is from a listener and she posted this and I actually Kinda generated some discussion. There were posting of Flyers just from advertisements passed. So she's kind of asking a question and so you have any insight into this I'm sure this listener would love if you joined her group group and and Added some information to what she's asking about so This is one of our listeners. Whitney and here's what she wrote. It's here's a weird one. I would love an explanation if you have one pat so scholar Pat at but I think I would also say to any of our listeners if you have any the any help for her. My mother got me several talking bubba bears when I was little. I do not remember talking Bubba. I thought it was Buddha. No no that's what I read. I don't know what she's talking okay. It makes totally different kind of ghost. Yeah so I guess this was probably yeah. We're just outside of my childhood somehow At one was the bedtime BUBBA. He said a few things that could be considered kind of creepy. Probably to get a few nervous giggles out of kids like myself. I don't know what those are but we'll let that go. We can let our nation's run for some reason. My mom didn't like the bedtime Bubba Ebba. He freaked her out where the other bears didn't and my mom likes scary movies and was not. He's spooked easily. She took the batteries out of the talking bubba after are weaker so but he continued speaking now. My original thought was that it was residual actress held in the wires but it continued for a few weeks until my mom throught dude away because she was so creeped out. I remember talking about being scare. Are I remember her talking about being scared. She slammed alleged shut any outside trash can. Yeah so I don't know I don't really have anything You know I guess I would have to be there. I don't want to question her When it comes to this like her memory might be different? It might have lasted for ten minutes but it felt like it was forever for but I don't. I don't think that that's true. I just I don't have an explanation for it. It's ghosts yeah. I don't even know if it would be ghost. Why wouldn't it be like demon Sir side? You know yeah that's right. I'd I have no I but I really appreciated the story and I really like to hear it because again again I might be a skeptic but I love a good ghost story especially when I can't figure anything out for him. Yeah yeah there's been some some talk of lithium batteries but that will be. No one was sure about it. Yeah so anyways Joined the group joined ghostly society and hear those stories share your own one remember you can always email us and if you have any idea of what this talking Bubba. Buddha definitely let us know bubble Buddha Buddha bubble there should be a bubble Buddha air Yeah so I I really don't know but I really appreciated Whitney. Thank you for writing that Sorry I couldn't give you you any explanation. I know you were looking for it or trying to get one from me. But I don't have that so we're reaching out to to our listeners. My skeptic grows both male and So hopefully you can share something so join that that facebook group Go Society or or also remember you can email us info so at ghostly podcast dot com absolutely and now to the part were I never look forward to. I guess it's time to read the polls. Now Oh you one last time. Didn't you yeah. So why do you know why. Why do you never look forward to the pool? Sometimes you win the fortunately this Kinda knew as soon as we came up with the idea before I even heard ghost stories. I was not winning Alcatraz so yes we talked about Alcatraz and the question was is Alcatraz haunted seventy percent say yes and thirty percents Ainhoa. Oh No that's pretty close Yeah I mean it's it's a really creepy place if you ever ever go there It's very creepy. I still don't believe taunted but I understand why people would think that it is. It's a there's just a lot of stories stories lots of people so I think it's revolting and remember. We will have a pool for this episode as well out on facebook and through the whole episode because this is GonNa be a long it isn't gonna be long episodes but we hope to you. Yeah right You know if you need to take a break in the middle of come back to it the next day. That's fine but that's what I do with every podcast. Yeah but just make sure that you do. Because there's a lot of spooky scary coming up towards the at and so there's a little bit coming up right now. Okay well actually. Let's just dive right it into the episode that since we did all of our other business. Let's let's get into the real the real the real potatoes of this episode that meat and potatoes or or did you turn Beacon I. I was Vegan for a second. Okay and I don't have to be Vegan. I could just be vegetarian cheese. She always go to the extreme rebecca. All right so you waiting for go story yes are you. I am so this one is definitely a fictional original story but it is based on A real place that is said to be haunted by Bonnie Clyde that I didn't really have quite time to talk about later in the episode so And the details about the place are true as much as there's not. The ghost departs the just the real part. Go super turn true true but you know the story is a fictionalized thing. Okay all right so you ready okay. It sounded like a fun idea. Jake suggested that we sneak in after midnight. No one would see us and we could hang out without being interrupted. Plus it was rumored to be haunted. And what aboard teenager doesn't want to experience that we bought flashlights. And of course some liquid courage with us. The Baker hotel is right next to the police station. Just as super-quick quick aside there is a Baker hotel. That's not too far from us. That is also rumored to be haunted. Like it's just the next town over from where we're recording this right now. And I've been to you a Baker's Square yes were. They have pie that I swear sometimes is haunted they just closed a bunch of the Illinois. Sorry so sad But anyways we will maybe do that that other Baker Hotel sometime because it is where Donnie Wahlberg and Jenny McCarthy got married ghost definitely goes inside. The Baker hotel is right next to the police station so this break in was definitely the most daring the four of us said ever attempted. Shana tiff were weren't scared at all. They laughed and made way too much noise. Jeff is solid self and just kept everything moving. I was nervous US but curious inside. It was unbelievable. The place closed in seventy two. It was like a ghost town. The shoes shine stand is still there but it has definitely seen better days there. Were these wooden booths. I think those were for Foams from what I've seen in movies. It was pretty dark so we mostly just stayed in the lobby. Maybe a I hung out had fun. But then Sean suggested we go and try to find their room. He told us the rumor was that they had the carpet removed in front of their doors so they could hear if the cops are outside. I was nervous because we didn't know our way around. And it's a big place but eventually they wore me down and we went searching we when we started going down the hallways. We were laughing but soon we went quiet. It just seemed to quiet now how to dark to still if felt like we were disturbing places that hadn't seen a living soul and too many years. We turned down the hall. That had the Bazo as oh sweet and Jake whispered you hear that what I whispered back Music Jazz. Sure enough. There was all all time jazz music playing softly somewhere nearby. The nice smell chocolate such sean. Yeah this was getting very very scary and I was about to say we needed to turn back when it happened. From out of the door to the sweet came a missed a missed that took shape into into two people laughing and holding each other dressed in old clothes at first we all froze the shock of sis really happening and and then tiff screamed and Sean yelled run so we did we booked it out of there so fast when we made it back to the park. By Jake's house we finally spoke doc. was that them. I asked Bonnie Clyde Jake took a moment replied. Yeah I think it was. I've often wondered what really happened that night. Did we release either ghosts and hear that music or was it just our imagination but there were four of us and I just don't think we could've imagined all of it lately. There's been a lot of talk about trying to renovate the baker. I just worry what that might do to all that energy inside done on mic drop. These don't drop my mic. No I won't wow. That was really good. Yeah so that's the thing so that hotel there's there's the music and the chocolate all of that. That's Kinda what people claim so interesting. Well I think we're already already like twenty minutes into the episode. So why don't we go ahead and take a small break. Sounds got Major movers. It's Dr David Hockney that's right. I'M A legit PhD. Anyway there's still a the truth out there so we're coming back for season three. It starts February Twenty Eighth Twenty twenty two thousand twenty lear so February has a twenty nine day. We don't tair posts on that day because as you know leap day is the sports once quadrennial laundry day it gets messy anyhow frigate week season three February twenty eight Elizabeth will be there to Okay so there's a lot of history for Bonnie and Clyde and Dan I mean we usually only talk about one person so there's at least double bad right. 'cause there's two people right plus like a whole gang there is the Barrow Gang. Yeah or I refer to them as the Bonnie and Clyde gang because I don't really like to refer to it doesn't feel right to call Clyde Barrow I dunno makes makes him cooler. No I don't know what it is. It's just sex feeling that's a feeling for me okay so as always. I'm going to do my best but this inasmuch chronological logical order as I possibly can stories that I've read about them They don't put it in chronological order so it makes it really difficult. I I like to actually know step by step by step. No previewing for you know definitely not only not so Because Clyde is is older. We're going to start with all right. I know everybody's here for for Bonnie. I mean that's people love buying. That's true they did so clydes full. Name was Clyde champion Barrow Champion. That's a nice middle name. Come up later is it okay He was born born on March. Twenty fourth nineteen o nine. So what I thought would be interesting is to have rebecca read their characteristics of their Zodiac. Sign sure so march twenty four th means aries. Okay so look this up on the COSMO. UK website. They just did Some stuff last year and I liked the way they do it because they kind of do like the good and the bad so aries So this group likes winning getting attention and being on top which kinda sounds like Clyde Barrows Yup and then some adjectives Courageous and it says read reckless definitely reckless. Yeah competitive read insecure okay. Honest read tactless driven read a pressurized generous read. Overbearing and energetic read exhausting. Wow Oh wow so a lot of those really ring true for for good old. Clyde I think so He was born into what was considered a very poor family. In Ellis County Texas Texas which is South East of Dallas. He was the fifth of seven children. So there's a lot of children's family in the nineteen twenties. His family moved to Dallas. Actually they were pushed out But you know moving to Dallas. Sounds like the family was doing a little bit better with money. But in fact just the opposite they moved to the slums or the projects of West Allis. They were so poor that you're supposed to say how poor they were so poor that when they moved they lived under their wagon until they could save enough money money to buy a tent. A tent was moving up. Yeah that was a step up. That was their dreams. Yeah so Clyde was first arrested in nineteen twenty six at age the seventeen because he ran from the police when they came to talk to him about rental car that he brought Backley. You know I don't really think about title rental cars in Nineteen Twenty six but less people owned cars than they do today. So you'd rent a car. Yeah I mean I just send Mike Imagining you know like like Hertz or something or national enterprise so then he got arrested with his brother brother Buck Buck is gonNA come up a lot in this for possession. Yeah but possession of stolen Turkeys. Oh Okay you always think of drugs but no it was possession of stolen Turkeys. This was a pattern that he continued. he was also cracking safes robbing stores wars and stealing cars. Okay he just did everything bad just to make a buck now that brings us to Bonnie. Bonnie Elizabeth is a bit Parker. Her Zodiac sign is libra. She was born on October first. Nineteen ten. Yeah so libra Z- I thought this was interesting. Adding Liberals and air signed whereas aries is a fire sign So libra air signs are cool calculating cerebral and charming r-maine. I thought that charming was very appropriate for her They possess a natural surface cleverness swift. Humor that make them fantastic company company so descriptive words diplomat a diplomatic read shape shifter. She you're going to talk about her but she was amazing getting herself out of things Great Listener read gossip. Queen Fairness read entitled Idealist List. Read indecisive and loves beautiful. Things read shallow which I'm going to be honest from what I've heard about. Bonnie is like perfect Ber- Bert Yeah and then The hot tip that they had in their the hot tip for hot woohoo for libra. Yes is aries. He's perfect for each other areas. Challenges amuses stimulates libra and can keep up on the romance and Passion Front. Wow Oh so. It's kind of perfect. So Bonnie was born in Rowena Texas. She was the middle of three children. Her a father died when she was four years old. Her mother packed up the family and move them back to their parents home in Dallas in a suburb named cement city because it was an industrial neighborhood. Slant city does not sound like a great place to live definitely. Not when I was this close to where Clyde was living a May was Dallas. I guess it was Dallas so it wasn't really. I didn't look it up on a map but I would imagine. It wasn't that far in her second year of Highschool Bonnie met Roy Thornton they dropped out of school and were married on September. Twenty Fifth Nine Thousand Nine Hundred Twenty six. This is not where I thought this story was going. I didn't yeah no that she was married prior. Yeah now if you do the math. They got married six days before her sixteenth birthday You know Bonnie definitely was that kind of person that would fall in love and drop everything for that person. Yup so Roy. It was frequently absent from their marriage though and he got into a lot of trouble with the law so their marriage was short lived in fact their paths never ever crossed again after they split in January of nineteen twenty nine. Did they stay married. They did stay married okay. They never they never got officially divorced but they never saw each other chat okay Bonnie returned to live with her mother she became a waitress Beatrice in Dallas and one of her regulars was a man by the name of Ted Hinton Remember that name okay. So Bonnie did did have a diary when she was eighteen and she wrote of her loneliness her impatience with life in Dallas and her love of taking pictures so she she definitely was in artistic soul to absolutely now. We're GONNA talk about when Bonnie met Clyde. ooh So there's a couple of accounts of when binding met Clyde This is the most credible though. It is sad that they met on January Fifth Nineteen nineteen thirty at a home of one of Clyde's friends by the name of Clarence Clay at one. Oh Five Herbert Street. In West Dallas Clyde was twenty and Bonnie was nineteen. Bonnie was out of work at that time and she was living with a friend of hers because her friend had broken in her arm not broke. Bonnie's arm she broke her own. Our own get clarification. Yeah Clyde stopped by the girl's house while Bonnie was in the kitchen kitchen making hot chocolate I again these times. I don't think of people making hot chocolate thing Both of them were immediately smitten with each other. They spend a lot of time together during the next few weeks. See this is. This is the Valentine's Day story that I wanted wanted yet. They were very much in love. I mean there are many things that you hear about their story that you're GonNa talk about as far as what's true and not true but one thing that has always very true. You is how much they were in love and passionate towards each other for sure but unfortunately their romance was interrupted because Clyde was arrested convicted of auto theft grand theft auto I yeah. He played grand theft auto. Drinking hot chocolate right guard. Clyde was sent to Eastern Prison Farm Eastern prison farm in April nineteen thirty. He escaped the prison using a weapon that Bonnie had smuggled into him so already. They're breaking the law together but he was recaptured. Shortly after and sent sent back to prison now I have to say when it comes to Clyde Clyde Seems kind of a little. It'll slow to me. I don't know that's just my my impression of him. Well I think Bonnie was definitely the smarter of the two but I don't know that either serve them were all team. They weren't like the masterminds that we think right. Yeah there wasn't a lot of planning planning well we'll see I don't know maybe there's more than I than I think. Yeah so this next part might be a little hard for some of you to here so I'd be okay with skipping ahead a little if you're sensitive to those kind of things Maybe you wouldn't want children to hear this party there. That's passable okay for those willing to stay around. Clyde was sexually assaulted while in prison. He retaliated though by attacking and killing his tormentor Formentor with a lead pipe crushing his skull. This was the first time Clyde killed anyone but another inmate claimed responsibility though for the murder because he he was already serving a life sentence so it wasn't going to attack on us. I mean it would. They would add more years but it wouldn't make a difference now. This was a very hard prison to be in. You had to do hard labor and for Clyde. That wasn't really his thing I don't think so he had another. The inmate cut off two of his toes with an axe in January of nineteen. Thirty two. Okay so you had mentioned this to me and I thought you were saying for some reason that he had cut off the toes of the person Jason he killed which made no sense to me and I didn't understand. Oh my gosh. He cut his own toes. He didn't he have someone cut off two of his toes toast. Yeah I'm not sure if he asked for two or one well take an axe with an axe but does not even the really messed up part about this. The really messed up part is that he was released from prison six days. After that because Bonnie's mother mother had successfully petitioned for his release so he didn't have to have that done nope. Wow and that was probably the last time that Bonnie's mother ever really really Did anything for Clyde okay. I don't think she liked him very much. After this moment but something changed in Clyde after after prison I mean he did have to toews so eight does he did walk with a limp because of that but his sister. Marie said something awful. Fl sure must have happened to him in prison because he wasn't the same person when he got out and fellow inmate. Ralph Foltz said that. He watched Clyde change from a school boy to a rattlesnake. We're GONNA talk about folks a little bit more to APP. Yeah so bessette. Basic prison was is not a good time for him. No in according to John Neal Phillips clydes goal in life was not to gain fame or fortune from robbing banks wchs but to seek revenge against the Texas prison system for the abuse that he suffered while serving time. So now we're GonNa talk about some of those crimes now. We have Bonnie and Clyde together doing crimes. Yeah this is the movie version. This is like the you know like. We're taking the money Brenda you know. We're we're we're like hot hot bank robber couple. Whatever making her sound like Alpha from the walking dead you find attractive is that Oh fuck? I was going to mention that earlier that I am we we are. I'm I'm working on getting US ready for the new walking dead season for our podcast. But let's late now too late now to nobody will know that the new walking dead comes comes out on February twenty third and that are so episode will be out after that well the Wednesday after after. Yeah all right anyway so they were. This is like there's the movie version. Then there's the version you're about to tell us yes. Yes so in February nineteen thirty two clyde and fellow. The inmate foltz began a series of robberies of gas stations and stores They wanted to get enough money together to launch a raid on the eastern prison member. Remember I said he just wanted revenge against against the Texas Against the Texas legal system prison system on April Nineteenth Bonnie and Foltz work captured though so short short-lived plan in a failed hardware store burglary. They were trying to steal firearms Johnny's in jail yes So actually Clyde was going to be the getaway driver of that one Yeah probably because he can't run very well because of his missing toes maybe but Yeah so Bonnie was eventually released from prison. Though after the grand jury failed to indict her she definitely had a way with people and she could charm people and nobody in those days suspected any woman Of doing any wrong. Oh yeah they just thought she was must have been you know kind of persuaded by these men or the forced to do it and she was just very very very charming while they're in really wanted to win them over. Yeah Yeah So. While she was imprisoned she wrote poetry to pass the time When she she got out she reunited with Clyde? You know they actually won a few weeks without seeing each other after she got out Probably her mom probably didn't want her to get back with Clyde clydes no good for her but as soon as she saw him Yup exactly Bonnie and Clyde had a few different gangs throughout their criminal career as many any would come and go either getting put in jail or killed or whatever yeah So it was always called the barrows gang but I call it. The Bonnie and Clyde gang members included clydes older brother. Marvin which is Buck Barrow. Buck Barrows wife Blanche Barrow Lot of bees. WD Jones Henry Meth Vin. Raymond Hamilton Joe Palmer and and Ralph faults now. Buck was in prison until March twenty second nineteen thirty three when he was granted a full. Pardon Wow oh wow yeah ben him and his wife Blanche went to stay with Bonnie and Clyde hideout that they had found in Joplin Missouri. The story goes that They were trying to get Clyde to turn himself in ahead for the crimes that he had done being getaway driver for that they were trying to get. That's what they said of course but Bonnie and Clyde gang starting up now they were always constantly on the run. Yeah so there's no rest at this point like from this till the end it's Yank Gogo always okay. The police were always on their tail. The police were always. He's looking for them. The severity crimes though really increase From here on out but they were always looking at him. You know for petty theft after whatever they were doing This was a very quiet neighborhood that they lived in Joplin Missouri or Staden and a gang of criminals. US Aren't always that quiet right so they were drinking at least a case of beer night They were having Poker Games into the wee hours of the evening and a neighbor reported the activity to the police. The police didn't know what they're up against that they sent out five men to confront what they had suspected bootleggers living in the garage apartment. Oh yeah this. Is Prohibition Absolutely Okay Thirties. Okay so this did not go well for the police as no. This wasn't prohibition because they were drinking beer but I mean like a case of beer at this point. I don't know you might want to look that that'll be okay but anyways it was still even if it was right after it was frowned upon by the neighbors so this did not go well for the police though as two of them were shot. Not by Clyde and Bach both. I'm dying eventually won was one was a little bit longer. One was pretty instant and the other three hid behind a tree while the Bonnie and Clyde gang took off in a car but the gang left in such a fury that they left behind most of their possessions including Bucks Parole Papers Tons of weapons that they had accumulated and a poem by Bonnie in a camera camera with several rolls of undeveloped film. These are the pictures that made Bonnie and Clyde famous. Yeah so just real quick so buck was released early. In nineteen thirty three he said it was march. Prohibition was repealed December nineteen thirty three. Okay so it could have been still in place at that time bootleggers. Definitely yeah. Well I would I would say to you. I've always heard. Bonnie really wanted to be famous this and they didn't really care how like infamous famous movie star. You know model singer poet or criminal. Yeah was she was really really upset though with the pictures because one of them portrayed her as having a cigar and at the end they actually kidnap some people to tell them to tell the like they're about to well. We'll get to that but Yeah she stops. These people kidnaps them to tell them to tell Everyone that she does not smoke cigars. Yeah so image to the media of the day what they saw him. Bonnie inclined was very different than the appeal that dillinger had Bonnie and Clyde were young and obviously in a relationship and probably had slept together. Oh aw that's what that's what the media portrayed. The media made this into a sexy crime story. I mean we always think that we are this media craze society and that it's new now like been here for a better on forever but in this case the media really put a spin on the story for sure The gang headed crime spree that went all over central United States as far north as Minnesota. They kidnapped tillery Darby and Sophia Stone. In Rust in Louisiana while trying to steal. Darby's car Now this was a thing for them. They kidnapped A few people in their day a lot of police to allow But they usually left the people they let them go. Oh but they left them far from home with enough money to make it back to their home safely and sometimes with the change of clothes. Wow so they would kidnap people. Maybe like you said to share information to escape or whatever but then they would let him go just for fun. Yeah okay. Yeah but they always Zeno gave him a change of clothes and money and made friends with them. Yeah but you think about it back in those days. There were no cell phone so they didn't really have to worry about them calling the police right away right. Yeah it would be far away before they could get to a farmhouse or something call someone so as the photos photos and stories graced every newspaper in the US. It made their life's a lot harder. fame was not good for them as they were noticed much more they couldn't go to a motel or or a restaurant. Yeah that's true so they spend a Lotta time sleeping in their cars They had to steal more than one car because Four or five people sleeping in a sleeping in one car together looks really weird. Yeah Well and plus they were probably not treating the cars as nice as I'm sure they'd stolen right on June ten. They were in a pretty bad bad car accident. Clyde was driving in didn't see. That bridge was under construction and he flipped the car into a ravine as easing apple. Maps probably now sources disagree about exact details of this but Bonnie either had her leg caught on fire or acid from the battery. You have. The car dripped on her leg but she had third degree burns. Oh yeah they. I thought the toes are bad. Yeah Right. WD Jones Jones recalled. This is where it gets Kinda bad to. Its look graphic here okay. WD Jones recalled that She'd been burned so bad. None of us thought that she was gonNA live. The hide under right leg was gone from her hip down to her ankle. I see bone at places. Good accent thank you think that's what. WD Jones sounds like absolutely isn't it W J Jones. I mean my name's. WD Jones that part of the bear. Game until I do bad things against him which we're GonNa talk about later. Somehow either she hopped or she was carried. Read from Clyde But they made it to a nearby farm where they nursed Bonnie's injuries as best that they could. This took some time in the gang. SPLIT UP. Okay they were. Some of the gang were tired of waiting for Bonnier. They thought she wasn't gonNA recover. Jones thought yeah. Okay okay so many Oh doctor here probably not yeah right. I mean if you're famous and I don't know how much doctor would have done any good because I mean. The skin was pretty much removed from her right leg. Yeah many of the game got caught in cute including WD Jones and He made several confessions though to get out of prison himself leading to murder charges and Bonnie and Clyde lied they were believed to have killed thirteen people so where these people killed in robberies or trying to escape from robberies where the murders happen usually there or like. They were stealing their car. Something like that so yeah it was always you know they were. They were unfortunate victims of the crime. Wow so it's just really weird to think that like sometimes they were not hesitant at all to kill people to get what they needed but then they would kidnap people and then let them go and like so how terrifying like if you have an encounter with Bonnie and Clyde you might make it out you might not well. I think that I don't think that they set out to kill anyone. I think they set out to rob banks to on not just ROB BANKS ROB stores steal cars. Do that kind of stuff and if you just so happen to get caught in the middle of that siree you know you're going to be gone if they believe if you're not gonNA you're not gonNA cause them too much harm they would they were GonNa let you free so if you came out with a gun. They're going to have to kill you if if you are going to report this to the authorities. They're probably going to kill you. Yep Wow okay. But movies and TV have tended to portray Trey Bonnie and Clyde as habitual bank robbers who terrorize financial institutions throughout the Midwest. And the south. This is far from the case in the four active years of the Barrow Gang or the Bonnie and Clyde gain they rob less than fifteen banks some of them more than once so like if we compare that pillinger or some of the other really popular. mobsters yeah or bank robbers of the time maybe not the best example but other ones then that that's not that many is what you're saying in in fact Bonnie and Clyde brought about a lot of changes in finance financial institutions Russians made it harder for people to rob banks so say you know you think of all these people robbing trains robbing banks. Robbing all these things back then. That just don't seem to happen. That often often now yeah like they have alarms and stuff now underneath the desk. That are secret. You know. It's it's a little bit harder for people to rob banks nowadays. So they don't do it. Gotcha I mean does happen but certainly less frequently. Yeah but as you said to me that they weren't especially good at robbing banks. I mean it's not like they were horrible but I mean it's not like they were pulling in billions piles on money. I mean it was thing is that they. They never got caught robbing a bank. Yeah I mean in that case. They were escape. Artists just managed to somehow weasel out so on January sixteenth nineteen thirty four. Clyde orchestrated the escape of Hamilton Methane in several others in the eastern breakout. And this is what eventually did in this really pissed off some people. Okay now. That's the prison right. That Clyde had been in that he was very anti he. He wanted to get back at that prison and the whole prison system so he had no problem with that but this set off a series of events that turn the nation against the romantic couple. Okay right because before this it was kind of like. Hey It's the depression it's this couple. They're going around. They're doing fun. Whatever I mean not at that? I'm sure everyone liked them but there was a bit of more. I don't know pleasure and kind of seeing them and what they were doing people would go to the theater and beforehand. There would be a short clip of Bonnie and Clyde doing this and doing that. Yeah and people loved that kind of stuff really into it. Okay so Joe Palmer Palmer one of the gang during the escape shot. Major Joke Rosen. Crossing died a few days later this was what urged the Texas Texas in federal government. Issue a manhunt for Bonnie and Clyde now they weren't just bank robbers. They were murderers well and they will. They had maybe murdered some people but this was a police officer and will they had murdered a few police officers before that. But this was something that He was a high ranking ranking official. Major he said manager. Yeah so you know and also too I I really had to do with the media picking up the stories. Yeah so the Texas Department of Corrections contacted former Texas Ranger Captain Frank Hammer and they persuaded him to lead the manhunt He was constantly on them until the end. So this is that movie that your Some content you about another TV show or something now the highway highway highway men Woody Harrelson him okay. or or it's Kevin Costner. I don't know does kind of look like both of them. Actually so one of that was a bit. I guess he was like trucker his guy. He knew how to figure you out. He was master. People feared him. Criminals feared him but he was fair. Yeah from what I've read while he was fair to what he thought was right. That's true which wasn't always what was right there you go. He didn't always follow the law. I I assume so. Clyde and methane killed two highway patrolman near Grape Phil Texas now south lake an I witness account said that Bonnie and Clyde fired the fatal shots and this got out in the media so the media had played up that Bonnie and Clyde were good hearted people that just so happen to rob banks that they were fond that they were that they were enticing and it was almost like robinhood he kinda thing yeah but they were always good to people. That's what they said people that they encountered a kidnapping someone but then they gave him clean. Change a close enough money to get home for wherever they left them now. The nation was forced to see them as hardened criminals and they never ever believed that Bonnie would kill someone. This was what changed that idea. This is the whole concept here. These accounts were not only reported in the newspapers but the newspapers papers grossly exaggerated the facts at once the media turns on you absolutely one person said that they saw Clyde laugh is one of his victims heads. Hit the ground after he shot them. I don't think that that would have happened because I don't think he would have had time. Probably not but it's definitely one of those things you can't take for sure car yet definitely. So the people turned on Bonnie and Clyde right away and protested in spoke with officials pleading for the extermination of the Bonnie and Clyde Gang. Wow so the highway patrol boss offered one thousand dollars for the dead bodies of the grapevine slayers not their capture sure but their bodies that sounds very Texas. Yeah I mean I. Don't you know old time Texas. We'll go there. Texas governor Ma Ferguson added another five hundred dollars for each of the two killers. This is the first time that Bonnie had a price tag on her head. Well I mean I. It is surprising housing that they would mess with Texas. I'M GONNA be honest like if there is a state that's going to like take you down. If you're messing with the people it's going to be Texas sure Texas officers. There's Hammer Hinton. L. Corn and B. M. Manny Gault and Louisiana Officer Henderson and prentice moral Oakley deformed a posse. They began tracking them on February twelfth. Nineteen thirty four. We call them posses anymore. If you're in Texas you do well okay. I May twenty-first the four posse members from Texas were in Shreveport when they learned that Bonnie and Clyde were going to Bean Ville perish that that evening with methane and the full posse set up an ambush on highway. One fifty four south of Gibbs lend hinton recounted that their group was in place by nine pm they waited the whole of the next day with no sign of anything in fact they kept waiting into the the following morning so they were out there for like a day and a half just waiting for them a May twenty third. The posse was concealed in the bushes and they were getting ready to call it but at around nine fifteen. Am they heard a car. Approaching at very high speeds. The Lamin opened fire shooting around one hundred and thirty rounds into the car. One bullet from Oakley Strathclyde in the head he was instantly killed. Old Hinton reported hearing Bani scream out when she realized that Clyde was dead the officers kept firing though and kill Bonnie so researchers said that Bonnie and Clyde were shot more than fifty times each officially the nineteen thirty four report by parish. Coroner Dr J. J. L. Wade listed seventeen separate entrance wounds on Barrows Body in twenty-six on that of Parker including several roll headshots on each and one that it snapped Barrow Spinal column. She was still wearing Roy. Thornton's wedding ring when she died. Wow Yeah so she because she never got divorced wearing the ring Thornton was is in prison when he heard of her death he commented. I'm glad they went out like that. It's much better than being caught. So just like with dillinger's injure a crowd soon soon gathered this is where it gets really kind of weird. A crowd soon gathered at the spot. They took souvenirs You just like dillinger. You know. They wanted they were like putting handkerchiefs. In the blood and stuff but one woman even cut off bloody locks of bunnies hair mile while one man tried to cut off clydes trigger finger so so Bonnie and Clyde had wished to be buried side by side but the Parker family wouldn't allow it. Her mother wanted to grant her final wish to be brought at home. That's what she assumed was final. Wish but the mob surrounding the Parker home made that impossible. More than twenty thousand people attended Bonnie's funeral L. and her family had a hard time even reaching the graveside. Well pretty boy. Floyd and John Dillinger allegedly sent flowers but the Dallas City News. Boys sent the biggest arrangement the death of Bonnie and Clyde sold a half a million newspapers. That's sad right right. Bonnie was buried in fish trap cemetery. That sounds like a horrible cemetery although she was moved in one thousand nine hundred forty five to the new Crown Hill. Oh Cemetery in Dallas. Clyde had a private ceremony he was buried in Western Heights Cemetery Dallas next to his brother Marvin member member buck so some weird stuff that went on with the story though. Ted Hinton winton remember. I said that that was Bonnie's regular customer. When she was a waitress in Dallas he eventually joined the Dallas Sheriff Department and served as the youngest member of the posse that killed Bonnie and Clyde so the Hinton that I talk about is that Hinton wow and so since he was did he? I'm assuming he gave an interview at some point and roll out of the details of. Wow that's so crazy in another bit of irony this is really crazy. Darby you no the man that they kidnapped when stealing his car was actually one of their undertaker's. Wow now aw. They made an impression on a lot of people like us absolutely now. I'm not sure if I mentioned this bunny wrote a lot of poetry. You dead mention this when she was in jail and I'm sure even after yeah yeah. So here's a poem. The story of Bonnie and Clyde written by Bonnie Parker in one thousand nine hundred forty four and read a to you today by one Rebecca rivers the story of Bonnie. And Clyde. You've read the story of Jesse James of how he lived and died if you're still in need of something to read. Here's the story of Bonnie and Clyde now Bonnie Clyde or the Barrow Gang. I'm sure you all have read how they rob and steal deal. And those who squeal are usually found dying or dead. There's lots of untruths to these write ups. They're not so ruthless as that they're nature's features raw they hate all the law the stool pigeon spotters. Rats they call them cold blooded killers they say they are heartless and mean gene. But I say this with pride that once I knew Clyde when he was honest upright and clean but the laws fooled around kept taking him down down and locking him up in a cell till he said to me. I'll never be free so I'll meet a few of them in hell. The road was so dimly lighted. Did there were no highway signs to guide but they made up their minds if all roads were blind they wouldn't give up till they died. The road gets dimmer Marin dimmer sometimes you can hardly see but it's fight man to man and do all you can for. They know they can never be free from heartbreak. Some people have suffered from weariness. Some people have died but take it all and all. Our troubles are small so we get like Bonnie and Clyde if policeman is killed in Dallas and they have no clue or guide if they can't find a fiend they just wipe their slate clean and handed ended on Bonnie. And Clyde. There's two crimes committed in America not accredited to the borrow mob. They had no hand in the kidnap demand nor the Kansas City depot. Job A newsboy went said to his buddy. I wish all Clyde would get jumped in these awful hard times. We'd make a few times. If I've or sips up six cops would get bumped. The police haven't got the report yet but Clyde called me up today he said don't start any fights. We aren't working nights we're joining the NRA from Irving to West Alice viaduct. It's known as the great divide where the women are kin and the men are men and and they won't stool on your Clyde if they try to act like citizens and rent them a nice little flat about the third night. They're invited to fight eight by a sub guns rat tat tat. They don't think they're too tougher. Desperate they know that the law always wins. They've been shot at before four but they do not ignore that death is the wages of sin. Some day they'll go down together and they'll bury them side by side too few. It'll it'll be grief to the law relief but it's death for Bonnie and Clyde. Wow thank you rebecca So you know they. They knew that they were going to die and knew that they were going to go out fighting. That was that was their wish. I mean you can from that and I think I heard this too is like for Clyde. I mean he's one of those kids that just grew up. I mean obviously did a lot of you know maybe outside the law kid things but the Turkeys or whatever but just always was on the wrong side of the law ended up being in jail and just had horrible. Things happened to him and I think just decided I'm never gonna be able to have a normal life so I might as well just go out in a blaze but I wonder what came first Was it that he didn't respect the law. And then you know if you're a police officer and you know that this person doesn't doesn't respect the law you treat them differently true so I wonder I wonder what came first. Now I mean yeah I think he definitely he and his brothers at least a lot of them were were not good eggs in a lot of ways. But I don't know it's a sad story But definitely again there at all they certainly were in love. Definitely all right. Let's go ahead and take a break and then we will get to the great debate. 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If you WANNA go sagir gear just go to ghostly PODCASTS DOT COM and click on merchandise up at the top perfect good a ghostly podcast dot com and click on merchandise to get your the great ghostly gear All right welcome back in now. It's time time for the debate. Are you ready Rebecca. I'm ready all right. Let's do it okay. So one of the if not the main area that people claim to experience Bonnie on clydes energy is where they died. So that would make sense. Right Y- you talked about that right at the end of the history there it's a wooded area in Louisiana so not actually Texas Actually I think Bunny Clyde if I remember was one of the first And I think we talked about with dillinger to this is the time where people are starting it into realize like maybe interstate. Things need to happen. You know what I mean like before we one of the reasons people get away with stuff. Because you didn't want stayed and then when you go to another state but anyway so they were. This was Louisiana. There's a marker there that marks the spot where they died so there's many reports of people feeling creepy creepy of course but also there's many reports of miss strange lights and pats favorite orbs in pictures that people take at the site So I just wanted to give a quote There's lots of reports of this online if you look it up This was a writer You Go stir to K- wrote he took this trip. He went all the different sites and he at the Anti says a week later took a trip to Gibbs Land Louisiana to find the place where binding Clyde were ambushed. Fortunately I had no trouble. Finding the place pulled over a parked and got out to take photos walking over to the historical marker. I noticed that it had been shot many times. The place was in the middle of the proverbial nowhere. Then I noticed something odd. The place was completely silent. There were no br sounds made by birds or animals. The place gave me the creeps. I took some photos. Does he got the heck out of there. I had the feeling I was being watched so I thought was interesting with this guy is he. Has this whole page where he goes or post they. I should say where he talks about. While I went to see this part and I went to see this part like all these different places that they had been but this is the only one where he mentions anything. So you know Kinda creepy supernatural eerie. Ever so what do you think. I don't know if I pulled up on a spot that looked like it had a bunch of gunshots. It's to it And I knew that Bonnie and Clyde had died there I'd probably feel it was creepy too. I mean I feel will like somebody was watching me. That's a that's a normal feeling that we get when were creeped out. This place sounded a lot to me like bachelor's Grove. Oh yeah being in the middle of a wooded area eerily quiet no animals no anything and it really so it really strikes you. You don't realize that those natural sounds until you're in a place without the Menu Kinda paying attention It's one thing I know go about Bonnie and Clyde and there They've put up like landmarks forum but people always vandalize them and In the video that you're GonNa talk about later if you notice. There's a lot of leftover stuff. The they go out drinking there. They do all kinds of things. They're Voodoo stuff stuff and you know so people are not kind to to these memorials. The markers definitely pretty beat up. I think so I mean I I would imagine you'd get this feeling now. It's also outside. Outside is a great spot to get orbs because orbs can be you know from the sun they it can be dust on the camera. They could be a lot of things before you would ever supernatural. You need to rule out lens flare dust on the camera camera. camera malfunction especially with cell phones. I find that there's a lot more orbs nowadays because people have cell phones and I think that the camera it doesn't process it the same way like DSL are or thirty five millimeter camera from back. In the day would thirty five millimeter cameras. Back in the day would get the shadow people in them to would get like an image like overlap from another photo. So you really have to weigh out all those those things first before you could ever go supernatural other than that. There's lots of them. Yeah that's the that's the point is that there's lots lots of them. I mean it happens very frequently because cameras just do that. You're you're taking a picture of of one moment. In time and anything could obstruct that that we would not see with the eye. So when you're looking at something you wouldn't see that the sun on just hit it in just a different way or that. There was a bug or something like that. You might not see that the same way that you do capturing that one moment in time so just one response and then we'll move on is just that I would say that you know people take pictures and a lot of places and then it's just weird that the weirdness weirdness only happens. We've had listeners. Talk about this like we stopped. All Day took pictures. Lots of places and only in this one spot. Did we get weirdness in our picture. Okay but think about this though. When you're when you're going out to take pictures what do you? What do you take pictures of? You take pictures of these weird things like this like you you know. Hey I went to go see Bonnie and Clyde memorial or I'm going to take a picture there those yeah you're GonNa take pictures Mickey Mouse. No you'RE GONNA you're GonNa definitely take pictures of these areas because you're excited to be there so there's going to be more pictures. Taken of these areas which increase the chances of of there being some kind of orbs. What was some of the other things that you said Feeling creepy yeah. That's definitely I could see that. Strange Lights I don't know I don't know what that is because I don't know to me. This seems more like the or I mean similar to the orbs of the miss those all kind of fall under similar category especially especially if there's a mist coming in and then there's light behind did you know. Have you ever turned on your brights in the fog MHM IT IT looks weird. You know in reflects back off of the the messed. I'm just saying that these orbs can be a reflection of this dimissed. I guess I don't know why it wouldn't be an all the pictures that it would. Just why is it just like one of their because you say took one moment in time and they're looking back in all the pictures looking for these things things I mean. It's just that one moment just like in Bachelor's Grove you had that one picture of the red Chinese object. Yeah that we now believe. Steve is a Christmas ornament which had said I know too big for that. I actually think it's a mylar balloon. Okay well then but it's definitely non enor- but we looked at all those pictures because it was in a creepy place but that one was in multiple pictures. That's why I'm a little more open to it. Being physical thing all right so is one dimension. What other held on camera doesn't malfunction over many pictures? Usually it could malfunction one picture or it could be because the on dust on the lens got hit the light just perfectly that that one picture got the orbit so the frequency of it to me doesn't doesn't change the fact that there is scientific reasoning not necessarily to do with Supernatural like go to supernatural if nothing else works and if that's the easiest possible thing to believe like the Bubba things I don't know what it is. Maybe it is supernatural. I don't because I can't explain. Explain it but I wasn't there I didn't see it. I can't speak for it so same. Same thing with this. Go to supernatural when and there is no explanation then it makes a lot more sense pet doesn't like orbs I don't like orbs okay. Another piece of evidence in this area that I found was a session done by a group called friends of do Saana Asana. There's a it's a check word then I forget exactly what it means but this was posted online by Texas hideout website And obviously I will have a link to this on our show notes but basically they did EDP and spirit box session at the site that we're talking about in that wooded area so there from Shreveport Louisiana all right And they set out to capture evidence of the spirits of Clyde Barrow and Bonnie Parker on the seventy ninth anniversary. Three of their deaths So we're GONNA use the spirit box and cameras and VP's and we just took some time before recording this she listen to those vp's he's To me it's some of the clearest. VP's that I've ever heard before and spirit box voices there's You know kind of asked to for names and it's to me very clear that it says see borrow and Clyde they also ask You is your energy here and they were actually a little bit down the road at that point and it said up the road There's this other weird whispers and things that happened to me again. They were surprisingly surprisingly clear. Okay well I don't know if he ever called himself see borrow or Barrow. I don't know if he ever went by an initial Joel. I think he went by Clyde So I don't know but also when you listen to that one in particular it sounds like it's in the middle of a sentence not not not like an answer to a question it sounds like it picks up just something by chance There is definitely someone speaking but it sounds more like a CB or something like they're picking up some CB interference or something I didn't like a lot of things that you're saying that that they said I didn't hear I just. Didn't I think that knowing that this is what someone thinks that they said they wrote it down. I think that we force ourselves to hear it like in the Stone Temple Pilots Song. I can't help but hearing feeling like a ham and mustard shake because somebody brought that up to me and it's funny to me and my mind always listens for those exact words in that way. Vp's to me are very funny. Because I they're picking up some kind of radio interference or CB interference or something. It's not like they're picking up. I don't know it's it's an electronic thing it's not it doesn't sound like a ghost or somebody that's dead or something like that like I I would imagine it would sound like of course I don't know because I've never spoken to the dead Well I have but they've never replied to me. They've never spoke to me. I I don't know it just seems I. I don't know you're GONNA have to put a link in the show notes Guys make sure you check out the show notes we always always put lots of pictures in it and We always link out to all of our sources where you're going to get more information you can find that and ghostly podcasts dot com the go-to episodes and find the episode. You want the show notes for and there yet I would. I would say in response is just if it was a C B or some of the radio you think that they would just be constantly hearing that whereas in this. It's very clear that there's a question there was a pause and there's there's an answer and it would be like I mean. What are the chances that they could ask a question and then just a few seconds later? There's a clear voice talking whether it's saying what you say or what they say it saying or not I guess To me it seems clear but okay maybe not but it just like the chances of that just seem Big that I mean if I would think it was a CB radio they would hear a lot more well. I've talked done as he be before with people and They they tend to wait for you to talk. No so I know what you're saying that they can't possibly hear them. I don't know it just seems like it seems like I. I don't know I do not believe it if anybody has A. MVP or if you're a company that APP manufacturers VP's. I'd like to put to the test. Send it over. And we'll do a complete review on ghostly there you go and this was a spirit bax and in EDP as soon as two different pieces of equipment. We'd love to work on both of them. Yup absolutely all right so you ready for the second one. Yes so the second popular is like the third one. Oh all the way to evidence for the first one. Yeah so now we're into the second spot which is binding clydes car? Yes that is definitely Lee considered A haunted place for them casino right well so according to Weird Nevada the car has had an interesting history. Okay it's original owner Ruth Warren. who had had it stolen out of her driveway by the criminal? Coup- couple sold the car for thirty five hundred occasionally appeared at carnivals holes fairs etc and even at a Nevada race track where people could sit in it for a dollar in nineteen fifty two it was sold for fourteen thousand five hundred dollars and again in nineteen seventy five hundred hundred seventy five thousand dollars before being acquired in nineteen eighty eight by Gary Primm for two hundred fifty thousand dollars. You know I do have something to say though. Yeah is. Is that Both of them both Bonnie Clyde had insurance policies on them and the insurance companies paid out. Oh money and then they decided to start putting in clauses. That said that if you die because of criminal activity or something that we're not gonNA pay out trusting. Wow the actuaries figured that out. Yeah there you go So they say that there's been I just wanted to put this in here because there are no less than seven fake Bonnie and Clyde death cars put put on display throughout America. The Washington DC National Museum of crime and punishment has one sorry they say it's not the real one but the one from the Nineteen Sixty seven Warren Beatty the other way movie. This movie car was formerly on display the biting Clyde Ambush Museum in Gamblin Louisiana before being sold to the DC museum there. There's another Death car in Florida at the no longer open tragedy in US history museum in Saint Augustine But the Real Bonnie and Clyde death car is is on display in Primm Nevada at Whiskey Pete's hotel and casino owned by Primm Valley Resorts. That's what I heard. Yeah so binding clydes death. Car Is on display in the Casino Zeno as you said along with multiple letters of authenticity for the car and clydes death shirt also filled with bullet holes and faded blood. splatter a hand mirror a belt and a beaded necklace belong to the couple are also on display at the casino they can be found directly on the right upon entering the casino through the main doors. So I haven't seen it but we should all go and check it out Viewing the car and taking pictures just like in the wooded area visitors report that they get a creepy initial feeling as they stand Dan near it And again many people who've taken photographs of the car have picked up strange anomalies in their pictures including like seeing shapes of their heads of like people's heads heads inside the car. Okay I haven't seen any of those images though But what I can say about this. Is You know you know that they died side. I mean when you look at this you see blood on the shirt You see all the bullet holes like I've seen pictures of the car it is. It's a mess you know it's GonNa be a natural thing where human beings we are in touch with Other human human beings dying. That's something that we. We have a lot of emotion for an emotion. Could definitely change the way that you feel when you see something like this and and even if you didn't like Clyde or or Bonnie just the idea that you're standing around history looking at this and and knowing their story of their death I don't know it can make you feel uneasy. Dennen easy feeling that to me is never never going to be proved that there is any supernatural because that is the natural that is what should be felt when you when you are presented with that it should be an unnatural feeling to you know I mean it should be. That's just the way it should make you feel uneasy so I'm sorry I just realized we didn't undo ratings for the first for the wooded area died. What do you think which one even a one thou- one I'm giving an eight? Okay okay so then. How about for the car here? What would you do the? VP's Oh the EDP's. I guess I was kind of putting that altogether as like. Is that a haunted. Even he going to give zero. Okay Okay Yeah Yeah because I mean I just think that there's so many other explanations of sound versus it's just so hard to. It's just so hard for me to jump to the conclusion inclusion that no. There's a dead person talking to me because the person's dead it's it's it takes a lot more for me to believe that than it does that. There is some kind of malfunction with equipment or that it's picking up. CB's or whatever so zero for that. I'm GONNA give that one a seven and a half okay slightly slightly less than some of the other things Okay so for the car. I'm giving give mine. Yeah go ahead. I'm going to give it a six I'm or even a five. Yeah I saw a natural feelings as I said that that is something that in other in other times in other cultures they treat death differently I read a book about It was someone going becoming becoming an embalmer and they were talking about how You know the process goes and how much we do to make. These people look like like they're living still when you don't see the sunken eyes. 'cause they put things in there is to Make them bulge out a little bit so they look like they're still there her you know and the skin color you know we use embalming fluid we do all this stuff to to hide the fact that they are dead to make us feel feel more comfortable that unnatural feeling is natural actually because we're confronted with death and we don't see death in its raw ross form very often if you see somebody that's died and you actually see the process. It's a lot different and it really makes you feel things I guess for me the idea of of ghosts and this is all about energy and spirit which is separate from the body so You know for me the fact that the body it looks different and whatever. It's just a different different piece but to me. The car part stat seems much more like yeah. People are creeped out. Well I mean okay. So they're creeped out and then there's images just sometimes I actually couldn't find any real good images that's only reason I didn't share knees us again. Another reason why. I don't feel so confident. Glass Right Well the windows. There's windows so again. It seems much more like people take these pictures and I don't see the head in there and I'm like I don't see anything so if I had found anything thing I thought was proof. I shared it with you so much less on that one. I'M GONNA give this zero. I mean I feel I. I wish that this was something more than it is But to me it's just that we don't know how to process death properly. Yeah because we we don't see it now All right so the last one lasts citing so I had mentioned There's really two other areas that people see Bonnie's go specifically One is the hotel the kind of device story and earlier but the other is her grave so There's a video. Oh that I've shared with you and you've watched we've also shared that video with the ghostly society shows you if you're part of the society you can easily go and watch this video that we're talking about so But I will put a link in the show notes as well where So again just like the other two people report lots of strangeness and All of that But specifically there's this video of a woman walking behind the tall heads right by her grave But there's no legs that you can. There's a part where there's like a break in the hedge and you there's no there's nothing there's no no one walking because there's no legs and then I mean to me. It seems like our heads a bit too tall to be above. The hedge me seems very closely. Well so I watched your video. It's not my video. I watched the video. I watched the video that you sent me. And my thought is is that First of all you know we have this image of ghosts in our in our head that these ghost don't have legs they float you know What about if there's on bees? What about if they look different just like we always think of aliens? Aliens always have to be these little green men and stuff. What about out? If they're you know the size of one cell animals that are on our nails you know that could be aliens to. I'm just saying though that And this doesn't even to me. Look like a woman per se. It could be a man it could be a woman it could be a squirrel on the top of the bushes. He could be a thousand other things and also to if this was the ghost of Bonnie why wouldn't it be going towards that Why is it leaving just walking? Just walking in the cemetery walking. Why didn't they go up to my usual question? Why don't we see more fun way before they could get their no? They didn't notice it until afterwards and then afterwards they're like. Hey look at this. This looks weird. Oh that's Bonnie because we were talking about Bonnie what about if it's what about if it's Lisa or what about if it's Mary or what about if it's something else I mean and also I don't know if it's a woman you don't see a womanly shape you see a a roundish shape. ooh That looks like it's got a face. Looks like it's got some hair but that's me drawing this conclusion that this is what it is you know. No it doesn't it doesn't look like anything I it could be so many other things. Besides I dunno why we jump to the conclusion that this is a ghost walking because it doesn't have lakes I to me. It was really creepy. It was one of the croupier videos that I've seen. Now there's a lot more there's video of other just kind of touristy things but Are Just trip that this person was on. But that part They do a lot a lot of good zooming ins get you get a good site. I like the video because I liked seeing Bonnie's gravesite that helped me. It helped me feel closer to the story seeing that I'd love to visit it. Yeah I'd love to take some video myself and find my own orbs and I own you know walking ghosts ghosts and the funny thing is bluish grayish color you know like what you would expect a ghost colored look like it was like so spider botta was such a ghost are what's your rating then zero zero. I'M GONNA give this one a six and a half six in half okay. Yeah it's a it's not Kuwait as sure as I am with the wooded area but I definitely pretty spooky. So let's go overall okay so overall overall overall do Bonnie and Clyde still haunt this world either or right either or I'm giving it a seven an overall you notice that thing though. Is that banning clutter not together not only while the wooded area. I think there was a part of the. MVP as they say. It's a woman's voice they don't there wasn't a name given but possibly could be here. Okay so what was your number. I'm sorry seven seven okay. That's a pretty high number. I'm going to give it a one. Okay overall one okay Just because you know I don't. I don't have all the evidence Vince on hand. So I can't necessarily you know disprove it one hundred percent but I think it's pretty disproved. Okay yeah all right so that brings us to the closing arguments. This is our last chance to convince you to vote our way we each are given one minute of uninterrupted time. We will time and each other on our cell phones to keep each other honest although my cell phone for some reason you never hear it like go off but you have to trust me. It does don't worry. He shows me time counting down so I get as stressed as possible. That's not why just so you know it's helpful. Are you ready Rebecca. I am ready as I'll ever be all right. Three two one go all right. So if there were going to be to criminals that would have energy residual energy that would last on this earth. I think Bonnie and Clyde are two of them they had such a short short fast destructive Painful Life Bonnie was in such pain. They were both such pain and they never had a moment's peace in in the last three years of their life. Short life And I know that as they were in those final moments Where they they actually really early thought the things were going? Okay that they were they were they were fine. I mean they were always so hyper vigilant about things but you know things were starting to come off the rails and they just got caught at the end so to meet that area that wooded area where they were caught i. There's just no way that there's not energy there that's residual and causing Huntings the car and these on this though the grave. I'm not assure on but man that part is all right. That's your time and and probably because I have the The phone open and everything. It's like no you know it's time you're looking at it okay. So it doesn't ring but I don't know we'll say okay okay. Are you ready. I am ready and go so I have not prepared anything for this But I will say that. I love the story story of Bonnie and Clyde. You know 'cause I love that old criminal mobster ish kind of thing and the rat-a-tat I love that but unfortunately The most overwhelming evidence that was presented to me is a feeling of uneasiness around death. And that just to me. It's like that's natural not unnatural the VP's. I don't know you could listen to him. You might hear something in it but try to listen to him without thinking of what they're supposed to be saying. I didn't hear anything and I didn't know what they were supposed to be saying. I had to be told what they said. That to me doesn't mean anything and The car I don't know it would be cool to see but I don't think that it's any any kind of haunting going on here here. I think this is the least evidence again four. Yeah I don't know why yours doesn't mind doesn't doesn't cause I'm cool so I wanNA thank everyone so much for listening to this longer episode of ghostly please share with your friends and family is word of mouth is our best advertisement and also if you could please go on I tunes in rate and review us. We would love that. 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Bonnie & Clyde Pt. 1: The Couple in the Corner

Crimes of Passion

46:51 min | 1 year ago

Bonnie & Clyde Pt. 1: The Couple in the Corner

"Due to the graphic nature of this couple's crimes. Listener discretion is advised. This episode includes discussions of sexual assault and murder that some people may find offensive we advise extreme caution for listeners under thirteen. It was a cold January night. But the atmosphere inside one of five Herbert street felt alive. The young woman the dreamer, the poet our heroine. She tried to be swept up in the Gedi of the evening, but she couldn't get past thing that lingered between all of them. There was something hidden beneath every smile a stifling sadness. Barely masked by force laughter. A great exile eighty lurking in each bit of petty small talk the twenties had been hard on Texas and the thirties. Look as if it would be more of the same the agricultural lives of their forefathers had crumbled after the war hordes families were crammed into the slums of Dallas forced into the tedious and filthy factory work of the city, the people at this party would be hard pressed to break free of the situation, the poverty, and squalor the rundown houses, and pathetic wages, the hunger and sickness. She was feeling this presence suffocate her and thought about getting up and leaving. And then he came in. He was a small man as far as men go. But his posture was rigid and commanding he wasn't particularly handsome his pointed ears. Stuck out a little too far from his head his flat jaw line and puffed out. Cheeks how to certain boyish quality to them, but his Brown eyes glittered with knowing interest. His hair was parted perfectly at the center. Slicked back in matted down with great care. He were a clean suit that hung freely but fit him. Well, he looked over at her. Then looked away as night went on. They seem to be aware of each other as so there was a gravity between them. And then he was in front of her looking down with those Brown, eyes and confident smirk subtly etched from the corner of his mouth evening. He said name's CLYDE barrow Shiite him up and down. Completely unaware of the power that was between them evening. Mr barrow. I'm Bonnie Parker. Hi, I'm Leany Hobbs. And this is crimes of passion. A park asked original in the legal definition. A crime of passion is a violent crime that occurs in the throes of extreme emotion, leaving no time to reflect on the consequences. But in this show, we explore passionate crimes, how does a marriage progress from husband and wife to killer and victim or killer and co-conspirator if there's a thin line between love and hate what manipulates our relationships and a deadly results today is our first episode on the notorious criminal duo, Bonnie and CLYDE a couple whose robberies throughout the south west were so popular nationwide that the circulating stories blurred the line between fact and fiction at par cast. We are grateful for you, our listeners, you allow us to do what we love let us know how we're doing reach out on Facebook and Instagram. Graham at park cast and Twitter at parkas network. And if you enjoy today's episode the best way to help is to leave a five star review wherever you're listening. It really does help us. We also now have merchandise head to cast dot com slash merch. For more information. A creature backed into a corner is the deadliest of creatures in its desperation. It is unpredictable and ferocious when there are forces that stand between that thing and survival. The only option is to fight its way free. Such was the way of CLYDE barrow and Bonnie Parker's lives when they met for the first time in January of nineteen thirty both had long suffered under the debilitating arm of poverty, both were desperate to assert their identity and break free of the confines of their economic class. Clyde often stood in the shop windows of downtown. Dallas admiring the latest fashions dreaming about wearing a suit even on weekends. Bonnie watched movies with the fixed intensity. She wanted to replicate the gray. She saw on screen. She wanted to be a star little did. She. We know in less than five years. She would be as famous as the glamorous actors on the silver screen. But at the time, they met the payers prospects were incredibly limited by the Dongting hand of industrial change to discuss Bonnie and CLYDE without talking about the world. They lived in would be a disservice. It was in itself, a complex character changing alternating and shaping in unpredictable ways. The nine hundred twenty s are ingrained in American memory as a decade of social progress and economic prosperity dreamers were flocking to cities skyscrapers were expanding humanities reach into the clouds jazz, fill the clubs and new mass produced automobiles fill the roads. World War One opened the door for women's work opportunities. And in nineteen nineteen women were officially granted the right to vote yet underneath these layers of prosperity the reality of poverty persisted during World War One the United States called upon farmers to produce in excess both to help the war effort and to sell crops at a high cost to a depleted Europe. The result after the war ended. There was an unnecessary abundance of crops priced too high farms took a major hit. It and many farmers particularly in Texas had to foreclose their property and moved to the city to find work in the industrial factories that were emerging nationwide. The reality of the cramps slums and factory work in cities was oblique one for working class women in the south textile. Mill jobs were about the only jobs that could be found. These had like other factory jobs, long hours and low wages and a fifty five hour workweek. The average textile worker would make fifteen dollars in eighty one cents about two hundred dollars today. All this is to say that while glamour worked its way into the upper echelons of society, the people who fill the slums and work. The factory lines face the same problems. They always faced Bonnie Parker had a difficult time accepting this reality Bonnie's mother. Emma felt as though her family was better than everyone. The sense of entitlement influence Bonnie's youth, and perhaps gave her a false sense of hope MO would parade her daughter. Around as a price possession, taking her to church for show rather than for any religious purposes. Please note, I am not a licensed psychologist or psychiatrist, but I have done a lot of research for the show. David L, kind a child psychologist at Tufts University would call MS form of parenting instrumental narcissism that is a type of parenting where the mother or father tries to force the child into becoming a genius or exceptional in some particular field. This is not because the child displays incredible qualities, but because the parent has misplaced sense of self worth this undoubtably gave Bonny unrealistic aspirations aspirations that evolved from watching movies, Bonnie, absolutely adored film. She loved the actors there grace, and how they sported the most modern fashions and carry themselves with dignity, Bonnie herself was quite the performer. She would seeing an act at her church and in school reveling in the attention. It would bring unfortunately, whatever hope Bonnie had to find a career on stage. Or in Hollywood was minimal at best in nineteen fourteen. When she was just four years old her father died this forced newly single Emma to move her family to the impoverished suburb of Dallas known as cements city. They live there with Bonnie's grandparents who made a meager living working in Dallas as factories though. She excelled at school, particularly in creative writing and literature. This did little to improve prospects as a teenager, Bonnie Parker's options were twofold. Find a husband or find a job to support herself. Bonnie chose the former and married. The shockingly handsome ROY Thornton on September twenty fifth nineteen twenty six shortly before her sixteenth birthday. Bonnie's love was passionate evidenced by the tattoo on her inner thigh that read ROY and Bonnie needless to say women getting tattoos in the nineteen. Was quite rare. Not like all things in Bonnie's life. The relationship was volatile intense and short lived within a year the couple had split up allegedly due to Roy's and fidelity. And by nineteen twenty-seven Bonnie was on her own. She got a job waitressing and supported herself with the help of her mother for several years then in nineteen twenty nine a series of misfortunes brought Bonnie Parker to the lowest point in her life that January her husband ROY was incarcerated for robbery though. The two were not together they remained married. The news that her legal partner was in jail would have certainly had an impact on Bonnie as it caused her to feel even more isolated then in October of nineteen twenty nine the great depression obliterated. The American stock markets causing devastating tidal wave of economic hardship to immediately sweep over. Businesses across the country. This included the cafe Bonnie worked at and Inova member it closed, she was unemployed separated from her incarcerated husband and ham little prospects of any kind look forward to. But then one day she walked into a house party in west Dallas and met a boy that would change her life forever. His name was CLYDE barrow. A smooth talking well dressed twenty year old with a passionate and energetic demeanor. Clyde was like Bonnie and many ways he was a dreamer. He believed he could unshackle himself from the impoverished life of factory work, and he was two nations and almost everything he did legal or illegal. The barrow family was a victim of the nineteen twenties farm crisis so early in the decade, the clan was forced to abandon their farmland and moved to west Alice, Texas, they could not afford a house, so the seven children and two parents lived in a wagon and a campground clydes. Father Henry was a junk man who hardly had free time. This means that the barrows were at the bottom rung of one. Of the poorest neighborhoods in Dallas. But as a teenager, CLYDE, took to Dallas readily, he saw the swamp put together nature of its upper class citizens and long to achieve their success. He could be more than his campground. He thought he could be a man of substance. He thought he could penetrate the upper ash lawn through music, but learn the hard way that even pursuing your artistic passion came at a high price in nineteen twenty six a saxophone cost eighteen dollars far too much for a sixteen year old clydes one dollar a day salary. Clyde worked in various factories around. Dallas and switched jobs. Frequently yet, CLYDE soon became blatantly aware of the reality that no matter how hard he worked no matter which position he held. There was little he could do to escape poverty. The system was not built for people like CLYDE barrow to succeed. This is perhaps why CLYDE turned to crime, Jennifer. She he scuffing ten and Jessica Rae an assistant social psychology professor and PHD candidate respectively found that the stress caused by extreme poverty can alter our decision making processes more. Specifically the anxiety formed when an impoverished person compares himself to others may cost them to make decisions for immediate rewards rather than thinking through a decision that leads to long term success. Clyde initially tried to overcome this by putting in long factory hours and signing up for the United States navy to his dismay he discovered that an illness. He suffered at an early age prevented him from ever serving in the military because he's pursuits did not lead to instant gratification. Client became more downtrodden. And desperate. All this is to say that at first client bureau, tried to make something of himself in a legal fashion. But the repeated failures started to make one thing more and more apparent if CLYDE wanted to break free of this vicious social constraint. He had one option breaking the law. Unfortunately, despite clydes unabashed confidence, he was never thought great at delinquency in one thousand nine hundred ninety six a sixteen year old CLYDE was arrested for stealing chickens. Poultry theft was a common practice among the poor youths of Dallas as it was fast and inconspicuous crime. It also had a minimal punishment attached. And CLYDE was hardly reprimanded before being released. This ignited a series of arrests for petty crimes that put CLYDE barrow and his brother buck on the radar of Dallas police. They would regularly pit CLYDE up on suspicion or trumped up charges harassing him from yearly being in the wrong neighborhood. It's this harassment that started to push CLYDE toward the fringes of society. No matter what he did whether legal or illegal the powers that be would treat him the same. So CLYDE continued his life of. Prime robbing houses and stealing cars until things had an impasse on November twenty ninth nineteen twenty nine CLYDE, his brother buck and a man named Sydney. Moore broke into a house in Denton, Texas, the police spotted the trio lifting a safe into the car and pursued them with a stolen car and a trunk full of stolen goods Klein took off instigating a high speed chase. As fast as it started. It was over CLYDE crashed the car and went barreling out the window. He got up and took off on foot leaving the other two to gain their bearings. Book was shot twice in each leg and arrested along with Sydney Moore CLYDE heard the gunshots behind him. But knew that turning around was not an option the arrest landed, especially hard on CLYDE because for a time. He wasn't sure of his brother was alive or not when he found out. Buck was sentenced to four years serving on a prison. Farm clydes spirits weren't much lifted at twenty years old his prospects. Look, slim, his co conspirator was in prison, and he had police looking for him across miles and miles of territory. His family was losing faith in him and knew of his deviant nature. So this is how Bonnie and CLYDE walked into the party at one oh five Herbert street on January fifth nineteen thirty he with a recently incarcerated brother and several outstanding warrants she with an incarcerated husband and a recent stint of unemployment, but this cloud of sorrow and 'isolation was not so thick that it could prevent what was coming because they're meeting that night sparked enough electricity to clear away any darkness. It opened them both up to things they never thought possible and forever altered the cultural history of the United States. We'll hear about the impact of their meeting after this. When you're in between episodes of crimes of passion. It you should check out a thrilling crime podcast that I love listening to called case closed. It's not a par cash show. But it's packed full of all the gory. Details you long for in a podcast case closed take season long, deep dive looks into specific murders and the hook is that all of the cases have already been solved. So you never have to wonder who really did it this season is about rusty Snyder men a loving father and husband who was murdered in two thousand ten. He was dropping his son off at preschool one brisk November morning in suburban Georgia as he was parking. A minivan pulled up next to him in the lot the driver shot rusty four times in the chest. And here's where it gets fun. You'll hear all about rusty his loving marriage and the two million dollar life insurance policy in his name. Then you'll hear who drove the mini van that day, and what drove them to end rusty's life. Find case. Closed wherever you get your podcasts. That's case closed. Now back to the story. Bonnie Parker and CLYDE barrow wasted. No time falling into their brief and infamous relationship after their meeting in January of nineteen thirty. They took to each other with the immediacy of new love spending their first month in each other's company. More often than not they were two peas in the pod CLYDE came from poverty and dreamed of making music Bonnie came from poverty and dreamed of making movies. They shared a natural, energy, and charisma and value their individuality they were both short. He five foot six she four foot eleven and above all they both were desperate for any positive change in their lives. Bonnie took line to meet her mother, but CLYDE, perhaps a shamed of his campground home, perhaps a friend of his mother's strict and terse judgment did not reciprocate, Emma. Parker for her part did not like. Lied after all he was a son of a junk man, the lowest rung on the totem pole of one of west Dallas, poorest neighborhoods Bonnie's father, when he was alive was a bricklayer a man of substance. She deserved a similar type of gentlemen as a suitor. But something about CLYDE, whether it was his nice clothes or his charisma did soften Emma in her own words. He certainly was a likeable boy, very handsome with his dark wavy here. Dancing Brown eyes and a dimple that popped out now, and then when he smiled she even leant CLYDE, stay at our house, the February after they met she made up the couch for him to sleep on. He was in perfect view of the front door. When a knock came early the next morning. But Klein didn't notice when it was opened and to Dallas police officers entered the first thing they did was wake him up and taunt him about his brother saying if you got any rabbit in you, you'll run like book client smiled and took his time getting up he looked at the police officers with the ease of seeing an old friend in conked, his mouth into a dimpled smirk. He rubbed his eyes and said buddy mine. Sure run if I could as calm as CLYDE was Bonnie was the complete opposite. She screamed and threw herself on CLYDE begging the officers to leave him seeing the love struck young woman, the pair of officers felt sympathy. But said there was nothing. They could do CLYDE was wanted in several counties for his part CLYDE remained collect. Did he smiled and held Bonnie's arms and told her it was all all right? He'd be out soon. They'd be together. It was the second time. Nineteen year old Bonnie Parker, suffered a lover's incarceration. However, this time she was determined to see things through she talked about him daily and even win over clydes head to introduce herself to his mother. She regularly visited him at Dallas county jail. Soaring to the officials there that he would go clean if they just gave him another chance. Such was the way of Bonnie Parker when she committed herself to CLYDE barrow. He was getting every bit of her. The passion the energy the poetic drama. On February fourteenth, nineteen thirty Bonnie wrote declined in prison in the middle of begging him to never commit a crime. Again. She said, I never did want to love you. And I didn't even try you just made me now. I don't know what to do. The implication was clear the love between Bonnie, and CLYDE wasn't a choice. It wasn't even fate. Not really. It wasn't intuitive. And sublime love a thing that existed independently and settled on them, both simultaneously, whatever they did from here on out, whoever they became they were in it together. Client would get another chance. But it wouldn't come from the officials at would come from Bani in the midst of their visits and letter writing client had been transferred twice to face his various charges wants to Denton than to Waco where he was wanted for seven different crimes. Clyde was given a relatively lenient two year sentence on March. Third nineteen thirty endless to be sent to Huntsville prison ninety miles south ironically, clydes brother, buck had recently escaped from Huntsville, just a few weeks before an event, which CLYDE due to his preoccupation with his own legal troubles was completely unaware of CLYDE barrow was deathly afraid of prison and for good reason prison farms in Texas used inmates as a method of cultivating crops to contribute to the state's economy. Unfortunately, the regulations overseeing. These farms were minimal and the labor they demanded from inmates was brutal punishments from guards were encouraged and came often the prospects of escaping when barrow got to Huntsville would be dramatically lowered he had to act fast, but he couldn't pull it off alone who else to ask but his New Flame. On March eleventh CLYDE proposed his plan to Bonnie, according to her cousin Mary Bonney agreed without hesitation, she took the map CLYDE gave her and used it to find the key to William Turner's house Turner was another inmate at McLennan county jail and privy to the scheme. The house was a mess, but Bonnie recovered the gun without too much. Trouble still there was the problem of sneaking the gun into the prison. So she strapped it underneath her slip with two belts. No respectable. Man. Would search their Bonnie walked up to the McLennan county jail filled with four feet eleven inches of confidence the guard gruff and simple as he was trying to turn her away. She had already visited that day. She couldn't see him again. But Bonnie smiled and placed a hand on his sleeve. She. Had to just had to see CLYDE again that day if he just gave her just a few minutes, the jailer wouldn't see her for a long long time. If all went according to plan, hopefully, never again Mani went up the stairs visited for a minute. Then return to the entrance where Mary waited for her. The two of them walked out the door went home and waited Bonnie was alive. Like, she had never been before the secrecy the excitement, the anti pation, if filled her with nervous beautiful energy, this energy may have been tied in with Bonnie's case of high Bristol Phileas, which is defined as an attraction usually sexual to a criminal Bonnie, displayed this attraction with her early marriage to ROY Thornton and later her relationship with. Clyde barrow. But when Bonnie chose to actively participate in CLYDE schemes her desires became what is known as aggressive high Bristol Phileas, a subset of the condition were the individual actively aids in the criminal activity appropriately. High Bristol filial is known more informally as Bonnie and CLYDE syndrome. Bonnie's excitement made the wait almost unbearable but the next morning Thursday March thirteenth nineteen thirty. They got the news from that morning's paper, CLYDE, barrow and two other inmates had escaped this marked a turning point in their relationship for the first time, Bonnie Parker, officially broke the law to help our lover not only was this more than she would ever do for ROY. And now linked her to CLYDE in the eyes of the law in the same way. They were linked emotionally the success of the escape. Exhilerated Bonnie it ignited. Her adventurous side, a type of adrenaline that begged Bonnie to listen to it to follow it to feel that way. Again, she talked ceaselessly about CLYDE how they would run away. Together. He wasn't really all bad. The system had doctored him. Forced him to lash out and he got unlucky here. And there was all he could go straight. They would live in the woods with just their love and birdsongs as company whether Bonnie truly believed CLYDE was capable of reform is up for debate. But from this point forward something about the adventure of running from the law called to Bonnie, and she would do little to resist in the years to come. After several days on the run CLYDE, wired, Bonnie from Illinois. He was all right. He had to keep moving for some time. Whenever the coast was clear he'd come for her. She done. Well, he loved her Bonnie smiled at the praise, but her smile wouldn't last long. Only a week after escaping on March. Eighteenth nineteen thirty CLYDE was caught again and Middleton, Ohio. He was transferred back to McLennan county jail in Texas since to fourteen years in prison despite the severity of his new sentence. Clyde maintained his charismatic ways. He told officers at Huntsville prison that he was only eighteen was married to Bonnie Parker. And that is full name was CLYDE champion barrow his real middle name was chestnut. Although it might seem insubstantial all these lies had a goal. If officials thought he was younger, his work duty might be more lenient and by listing Bonnie as his wife he made it possible for them to correspond by mail Bonnie for her part was less enthused about this latest development. She found herself a bit disillusioned by this most Reese. Isn't capture especially since the papers more calling her boyfriend and idiot due to the botched escape attempt. But there was a type of inevitability about the relationship and before long in early April. She was back to visiting him. Then orders came down the ladder that changed everything on September. Seventeenth nineteen thirty CLYDE barrow was transferred to the eastern prison farm at over thirteen thousand acres eastern was something of a legend amongst Texas convicts. It was the state's first maximum security prison and was known for its ruthless work duty and grievous punishments guards would regularly beat and berate prisoners. Clyde later claim that he saw meant stuffed into ten boxes and left out in the summer heat. Sometimes they would flat out murder them claiming the convict was trying to escape the guard would collect the twenty five dollar reward for sabotaging and escape attempt without any sense of guilt, all the injustice, CLYDE felt he had suffered in his life. The rigorous monotony a factory work. The extreme poverty of the campground the unfounded harassment and arrest it paled in comparison to what he witnessed at the eastern prison farm as he watched the abuse of authority with an angry and keen, I he cultivated a real hatred of the establishment. Clydes charismatic exterior was beginning. To harden. His boyish face began to hide a certain hatred that was rooted and a dark unnavigable place. Clyde did find himself bonding with one of the inmates? A nineteen year old eastern veteran named Rao full tes the two shared a ten hour would chopping shift. Foltz told CLYDE about the ins and outs of Eastham what to watch out for where to step lightly. How even if you were careful a beating could come out of nowhere Foltz? A previous runaway was often. And subjected to these beatings. But when the guards wailed on him one night with furious kicks and struck him with the butts of their rifles. It was CLYDE who offered volts a hand. Stand up volts knew that this behavior was incredibly dangerous. Now, CLYDE was on the guards radar since he was willing to help runaway. However, it showed Foltz CLYDE valued loyalty over saving his own hide this would in turn inspire Fulton's loyalty to CLYDE something that he would get many chances to prove over the years. The guards took notice of this budding relationship and feared that volts. Happy feet would affect the new prisoner. So in late nineteen thirty they transferred CLYDE to a different camp. It was there as Foltz would say that CLYDE was changed from a boy into a. Rattlesnake? In the new camp. Clyde medicines foot to twenty nine year old behemoth named Ed Crowder, a prisoner so large and so violent, but even the brutal eastern guards stayed out of his way. Crowder was serving a ninety nine year sentence for attempted escapes and had little to fear in terms of further punishment when he encountered CLYDE barrow he took to him in a horrendous way Crowder began assaulting and raping CLYDE on a regular basis at five foot six and a hundred and forty pounds. Clyde do little to fight back. He was routinely beaten and victimized by Crowder, only to be forced to hear him boast about it later on eastern had little by way of privacy. So other prisoners likely either saw the rapes happen or at the very least heard CLYDE screams. But the. Inmates offered no sympathy. Instead, they be rated CLYDE in laughed at him called him condescending names and offered not. Even the slightest hint of support that is until a prisoner named Aubrey scally approached CLYDE skelly. Also hated at Crowder and told CLYDE that if in the unlikely event that CLYDE could pull it off scally would take the fall if Crowder having accident skelly was serving a life sentence for murder, so this proposition carried little risk for CLYDE. It was a chance and a chance was usually all he needed the cornered snake and CLYDE was being born. He had suffered in this hellish is- prison for over a year were tireless hours received regular, beatings and lost his dignity worse. Us. His sentence lasted another thirteen years. There was a rage forming in him that perhaps would be the fuel for his actions in the years to come the catalyst that left a trail of dead bodies. But on October twenty ninth nineteen thirty one as CLYDE made his way to the toilet in the middle of the night. He was surprisingly calm. His breath was deep and even his hand grip. The lead pipe firmly like the buffoon. He was at Crowder, followed CLYDE into the shower area believing that this was all too easy. Clyde didn't hesitate. He struck with pent-up ferocity. Crowder crumpled to the ground with a fractured skull. Clyde barrow had murdered his first man. We'll be back with more about clydes transformation after this. Now back to the story. The incredible pain, CLYDE, barrow must've felt enduring assault and rape throughout nineteen thirty one was most likely exacerbated by his incredible loneliness, not only west east imprison farm, extremely isolated but CLYDE lost his closest friend. Ralph Foltz when he was forced to change camps on top of that Bonnie, Parker's letters to CLYDE had gotten less and less frequent throughout nineteen thirty until December when they stopped altogether. Now that the honeymoon phase of getting to know CLYDE was wearing off. She started to see that the tragic situation was repeating itself. A two thousand seventeen study funded by the United States Department of Justice found that families and mystic partners of incarcerated individuals suffered both physical and mental health issues. That is. The stress of having a loved one in prison increases their amount of mental health diagnoses and physical ailments. This stress was perhaps the reason Bonnie began to distance herself. She found that sending him frequent letters and constantly worrying significantly decreased her quality of life. Emma, Parker was enthused by this change. Her daughter found a new waitressing job and started dating a straight in narrow young man named Tom. Tom wasn't exactly anything to write home about. And fact, nobody seemed to say anything about him. But perhaps his simplicity was has best quality Bonnie was now relying on herself for her own decision. Making her troublesome choice in men would soon become a laughable lesson of the past. But there was nothing laughable about what CLYDE was experiencing toward the end of nineteen thirty one client had gotten rid of his rapist without consequence after CLYDE killed Crowder. Scally repeatedly stabbed him and said the murder was his work. However scally was hardly reprimanded. As a brief investigation reported. It was self defense. Unfortunately, flied still had to contend with the horrors of eastern prison farm. The late summer. Labor was getting so tedious that CLYDE barely meet it to the end of each day still on his feet, he filled aches and every place on his body his bones grund with every movement. He was haunted by nightmares. And the ominous sounds of the prison quarters. And this would be his life. The only thing he had to look forward to. Day after day. Month after month. For the next thirteen years. And like that he snapped in January of nineteen thirty two client decided he was done. He somehow gained access to a short axe. And brought it back to his cell, CLYDE, considered what he was going to do for a moment. But he didn't think too hard part of what made him CLYDE barrow was trusting that his instincts will lead him to the right place. So CLYDE took up the axe. And brought it down on his left foot. Completely severing has big toe and partially cutting off the tone next to it CLYDE smiled as a took him to the hospital with an injury like this. They could never make him work on the east in prison farm again on January twenty seventh nineteen thirty two CLYDE was admitted to the hospital. He was right. He would never work on the prison farm again. But not for the reasons he could have predicted just six days later on February second nineteen thirty two. Clyde barrow got word that he had received parole from the Texas governor he was free to go. Clyde was so thrilled. He hardly noticed. The lymph that followed him out the prisons front gates. He was greeted by the news that his mother Kumi barrow never stopped fighting for his parole. She pastored the governor's office for over a year until he agreed. This was not necessarily uncommon for the time. Krizan overcrowding force the government into granting an unusual amount of paroles for inmates that committed more minor crimes, though, clydes escape attempt. Meet his case a bit more serious Kunis resilience assured that he was never forgotten twenty two year old CLYDE left Eastham with a terrible grudge. He absolutely detested the prison system and vowed that in whatever way possible he would enact vengeance. The client that emerged from the prison. Farm was changed version. Of CLYDE barrow. He still had the charm and charisma that so characterized him throughout his youth. But now they're lurk something a bit more deadly something that knew that he never wanted to be boxed in in such a way ever again. And if he ever was threatened with that possibility he would lash out with all his fury. Client went home to his family, and they welcomed him with open arms. He and his brother buck where pair of prodigal sons to the Baros. Yes. They broke the law and send in the eyes of the Lord. Yes, they were impulsive and passionate. But they never forgot their family. Clyde limped into his home said his lows, then put on his nicest clothes and headed back out the door. Every one of the Baros knew where he was headed. Bonnie was sitting on the couch with her bow Tom Emma, Parker lingered in the kitchen putting the last touches on dinner. She listened acutely to the silence. Bonnie and Tom never seem to talk much, but they were more or less content that way then a non came on the door and before Emma could make your way over its one. Go been there stood CLYDE barrow or at least a part of him. He had a crutch under each arm. His cheeks were sunken and his lips were red and chapped like they split open each time. He stretched his mouth into a smile. Bonnie seemed not to notice she left up from the couch and random stopping for the briefest of moments to turn an eye, Tom, then she threw herself into Clyde's arms and shouted. Oh, CLYDE, darling and the two kissed even Emma could not help feel touched Thome took the scene in for a moment or two then stood up and left the. House. And just like that Bonnie and CLYDE or back together. She with a renewed commitment he with ideas for pointed vengeance against the establishment together, they were about to embark on one of the most famous crime sprees in American history. Thanks again for tuning into crimes of passion. We will be back Wednesday with part two of Bonnie and CLYDE. For more information on Bonnie amongst the many sources, we used we found go down together, the true, untold story of Bonnie and CLYDE by David L, kind extremely helpful to our research. 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Bonnie and Clyde (1967) w/ special guest Ted Walch

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Bonnie and Clyde (1967) w/ special guest Ted Walch

"I'm Max Baril and this is classic movie musts where every week we breakdown a classic movie well looking to provide artistic insight and historical context at the very least. We'll talk about. What makes these movies classics? Classic movie must release his every Friday. Ready to complement your weekend movie. Viewing plans thank you for joining me this week. As we discussed that famous cinematic duo Bonnie and Clyde in this episode in our feature presentation. We welcome back. Ted Walsh to show to discuss the Romanticism of Bonnie. And Clyde but first let's get into this week's opening credits are film. This week is Bonnie and Clyde which was directed by Arthur Penn and was released in one thousand nine hundred sixty seven. Bonnie and Clyde Stars Warren Beatty and Faye Dunaway and features Michael J Pollard. Gene Hackman. And Still Parsons in the middle of the Great Depression. Clyde Barrow Played by Warren Beatty and Bonnie Parker played by Faye dunaway. Meet when Clyde tries to steal the car belonging to Bonnie's mother Bonnie who is bored by her job as a waitress is intrigued by Clyde and decides to take up with him and become his partner in crime they pull off some minor holdups but their amateur efforts while exciting are not very lucrative. The duo's crime spree shifts into high gear once they hook up with the dimwitted gas station attendant. Cw Moss played by Michael J Pollard and clydes older brother. Buck played by Gene Hackman and wife. Blanche played by still parsons. Who is a preacher's daughter? The women dislike each other immediately and their feud escalates over time. Blanche has nothing but disdain for Bonnie Clyde. Ncw while Bonnie Sees Blanche's flighty presence as a constant danger to the gangs survival. Bonnie and Clyde turned from pulling small time heist into rubbing banks their exploits also become more violent when CW botches parking for a bank robbery. Clyde has to shoot the bank manager in the face after he jumps onto the slow moving cars running board. The gang is pursued by law enforcement including Texas Ranger Frank. Hamer whom they capture and humiliate before setting him free arrayed later catches the outlaws off guard mortally wounding buck with a shot to the head and injuring. Blanche Bonnie Clyde NCW barely escape alive with blanche sightless and in police custody. Hamer tricks her into revealing CW's last name who was up until this point still only an unidentified suspect. Hamer locates Bonnie Clyde and C W hiding at the house of CW's father who thinks that the couple have corrupted his son. The elder moss strikes a bargain with hammer in exchange for leniency. For his son he helps set a trap for the outlaws. Bonnie and Clyde stop on the side of the road to help Mr Moss fix a flat tire. The police in the bushes opened fire and riddle them with bullets. Bonnie and Clyde had a budget of two point five million dollars and then ultimately brought in seventy million at the box office adjusted for inflation. That's a budget of just over. Nineteen million and a box office hall of almost five hundred and forty million dollars. Bonnie and Clyde was nominated for ten Academy Awards winning two it won the awards for Best Cinematography and best supporting actress for Still Parsons. It was nominated for the awards for best costume design. Best original screenplay best supporting actor for Michael J Pollard. Best supporting actor. For Gene Hackman Best Actress Faye Dunaway Best Actor for Warren Beatty Best Director for Arthur Penn and Best Picture Bonnie and Clyde is currently number forty two on. Afi's top one hundred movies of all time. Now I'm better recording podcasts than I am at robbing banks and it's time for our feature presentation. Are you looking for a double dose of Classic Movie? Must in Your Week. Then check out. 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Movie musts now onto our guest joining us for today's feature presentation. You know him you love him. Ted Walsh back in the studio Ted. How you doing today? I'm well hello. Everyone Ted is back last. You heard of him. We were talking about the graduate. Another nineteen sixty seven film. And today we're talking about Bonnie and Clyde so I think at this point maybe we just go year by year until we catch up a to modernity how about that. That sounds like a good idea. I guess we're already failing we're doing a double of nineteen sixty-seven but another classic undoubtedly and I'm excited to talk to you about this movie. Almost feel like the place to start. It might be something that I don't get to talk about too much on. This show is something that you are extremely passionate about and that is the French new wave. The French new wave classic movie must here. We talk about English language movies just as some some sort of criteria that I put on the show so we don't get to talk about the glory. That is the French new wave. I think we would be remiss right not to talk about the the kind of dual influence the United States to France and then France right back to the United States which I think is particularly evident and relevant in Bonnie and Clyde and you are a. You are a connoisseur. You are a passionate fan of the French new wave. So don't we start to talk about how about that influence here on Bonnie and Clyde thanks I do think the influence is is almost profound and yet at the same time. It's a bit misunderstood. And it gets misrepresented in certain ways but there's one line I love from an article that was in the New Yorker by Louisianan called Paris Texas. And he said that this is almost a direct quote that by trying to be French. Bonnie and Clyde became the best American movie ever made up to that point that was his somewhat hyperbolic statement. And you actually put your finger on what happened it without going into a detailed history. Is that the the great fashion irs of the French new wave from Agnes Varda to Francois Truffaut to a gene to good Dr John. Look Dr. Those folks grew up watching grade. B American movies a lot of them gangster movies. They were Nawar movies and they fell in love with them and that language started to defuse fuse their films. In certain ways they were in fact not imitating but at least acknowledging a aesthetic obligation to the films of the French new wave of of the American movies that came into the French new wave and then in turn their movies started to inspire people. Like Arthur Penn who directed Bonnie and Clyde? Yeah and I find that so interesting in the sense that obviously these French new wave filmmakers who you mentioned they had to wait a certain amount of time to kind of indulge or being. I guess it'd probably be given World War Two. And the essentially not having access to Hollywood movies for a long stretch. And then they kind of Ravenous ravenously consume these movies. And then ultimately influenced their writing and their their filmmaking. What I find so interesting is how quickly that influence back around starts to happen. We really start to see this kind of the global cinema world coming together when you think. Bonnie and Clyde made in nineteen sixty seven the French. New Wave. Still in full swing. I mean it's still going. It's not like this ten years later and now Americans are looking back at me and like Oh that little French movement to really was great. I mean you really starting to see a dialogue more than than anoma and it becomes very specific with Bonnie and Clyde because the producers including Warren Beatty initially went after Francois Truffaut Gianluca Dr to direct this film I mean both directors were extremely close directing this movie very very close and but in one of the best things that ever happened. Arthur Penn got the nod and since we talked about the graduate recently but just want to tie one other thing together about the two and that is that Arthur Penn directed. Mike Nichols on Broadway in an evening. With and may so Mike Nichols and Arthur. Penn are connected in more ways than simply having directed to very important films both of which not just Bonnie and Clyde but the graduate has well show influences of the French new wave and ability. And let's be specific about some of those thumbprints. One of them is. We've already talked about you. Love Grade B American movies. They're gangster movies. They have new are aspects but a couple of other things have to do with aknowledging at some point or another that to remind the viewer that she or he is watching a movie that that you acknowledge the movie -ness of the experience. You're not trying to immerse completely the viewer into the experience. That's one thing and the and the other is to take some chances to get the camera out of the studio and onto the street to to be risky. There's some very risky choices and Bonnie and Clyde which we will talk about but all of those became impart possible because of the French new wave but we must keep reminding ourselves that the French new wave wouldn't have been possible without the American movies that those folks watch symbiotic almost incestuous what I don't know. How Melting Pot metal pick your metaphor? It's awesome I could go on and on and on and on and on about it and I think anybody wants me to but I want to say one other thing please a little shout out to a man named Omri Lingua the founder of the cinematheque Francaise because that guy hoarded movies wherever he could find them and the people we just talked about went there to watch the movies often in a language they did not understand without French subtitles so they simply learned visual language. You took the words right out of my mouth and go okay. So that's it. These are exactly. It's amazing when you don't speak the language how you become quite adept at the other language. Which is exactly that visual language. And I think it's worth mentioning listeners. May Or may not know this that we talked about Dr and Truffaut say a phone call away from directing this movie them themselves truffaut particularly true phone. That's exactly where I wanNA talk about that. He was actually in tremendous dialogue with the writers of Bonnie. And Clyde David Newman and Robert Benton about the script and actually I mean his fingerprints are quite literally all over this movie and what I find so interesting is it's I think it's easy to come up with a narrative that you say you know. Truffaut consulted heavily on this movie. And that's what kind of inspires. Its French new wave leanings. But when you if you go back to the source material if you will the first drafts of Bonnie and Clyde or actually much more French new wave and BA truffaut came on and advise them to make it a little bit more. Hollywood if you will. I mean he into war cohesive Hollywood movie which is so interesting to me fundamentally. I think it's a slight over simplification but I think it's the best way to put it. Truffaut pushed the film of almost away from being French. New Wave into being an American movie. He realized that it is so American in its source material. It's mythic American story and true for realized. You know what you guys gotta you gotTa you guys. GotTa make this an American movie. But that that lovely as you say the thumbprints are there still but truffaut because truffaut is the giant of the filmmaker that he was Ego wasn't involved for him. Yeah he in fact truffaut in many ways was eagle less. Some people disagree with me on that. But that's a topic for another show you. This is almost a tangent here. We're going to put a pin in Bonnie. And Clyde. I have one question for you. Sure and then we promise we'll actually get into talking about this movie but I'm curious your thoughts because I find that very interesting about how truffaut kind of redirected this movie into a more classical Hollywood mode but still preserving obviously what makes this film unique and revolutionary in many ways. Do you think that I mean a filmmaker truffaut tremendous respect for Hollywood cinema? And what came before and you would think. Oh well here he is this this. I mean super hot young filmmaker in the sense that he is creating some of the some of the best movies of all time during this period that you would think as you say ego might get involved and you try to make it more French new wave. Put Your French stamp. Do you think there's a quality of kind of what you're saying that that truffaut says has such respect for American movies that he's like no no no you don't WanNa kind of almost come down to our level here in the French new wave. Exactly you need to be up here. You need to be in the in the Pantheon of American movies you need to do what make American movies. Great what we're doing here in France is almost kind of right and baron different and two things I want to say. Use The word respect and it is indeed respect for American film. It is also almost unqualified affection. For American film. Truffaut just simply loved America movies good bad and indifferent he them secondly very shortly before this in the early sixties a truffaut masterpiece. Which isn't a movie came out and that is his book on Alfred Hitchcock. It's called Truffaut Hitchcock. And it's it's hours and hours and hours of interviews interviews discussions Alfred Hitchcock and Francois Truffaut. You're here you've got this guy who loves American movies and I think you say say perfectly. I wish I knew and I wish there were a book about the detailed history of those conversations between truffaut and the writers and bad but I. It's really don't have all the evidence yet. Maybe someday we will. Yeah it's fascinating stuff and before we leave it. Let's just give truffaut a little shout out in one thousand nine hundred fifty nine his first feature length film the four hundred blows shortly thereafter gills. Jim and then we could go on and on and on and I think specifically Jules and Jim and shoot the piano player you could say a lot to do with this movie. Want to feel you feel you feel their legacy and their Their DNA in this movie. But Ted where would you like to start our conversation about? We've kind of set the stage for this movie. But let's get into the actual nitty gritty. Here where do you WanNa start our tie? I want to start it with to sir. Sion's okay and that is the first is. This is really a movie about fame in America. And how America views fame okay. And secondly the very specific reference to that fact is in the opening credits with the camera clicks And and fame at the time and certainly Bonnie and Clyde does this throughout the movie fame has to do with being photographed with being recorded with being memorialized in some way. And and if you'll notice in the opening credits. The camera clicks are not set to a perfect rhythm. They go offer them. Air Sets a virtually no rhythm that is exactly right and Dede Allen the great editor of this film and we talk about some day. All the great women editors in movies. Dede Allen's one of the giants yes and Dini Alan in responding to something that Arthur pinned. The director said to her works very hard to cut the fat out of many of the shots so that they have a slightly disjuncture defeat to them very much. Like those camera clicks in the opening particularly the opening with Bonnie trapped as she is in that little domestic place of hers between a picture of a sewing machine in a house or between a birdcage and oil pumping in this miserable little town. She wants out. All of that is if you watch it carefully is cut to its leanest possible way of expression and it's just off it doesn't it feels like wait. Didn't I just miss a frame and you actually did just miss a frame? It's not meant to be comfortable. And and that gets US going in this search for fame that these two characters have the editing of this film is so crucial and I love that first opening scene of Bani in her room I mean the only point I mean in this movie about bank robbers we rob banks. The only point at which we see. Bonnie behind bars are behind the bars of her domestic little room bed career. She is completely trapped. I mean I seen tells us everything we need to know about this woman where she is right now what she longs for and what. She's you know desperately trying to get in reference to the credits. I think I every time I watch this movie. It's like those opening the credits and those pictures. It throws me off every time even though I'm expecting it because I say it was cut to know them at all. That's not entirely true. It begins and you think you understand our rhythm where you're going to get. I think it's three pictures. And then no southbound and a title right and then then say either three or two. But you're like okay. We're at a rhythm all of a sudden. Just go no pictures or one picture back to three. And how long do you go with the clicking? And how long do you have with no sound and you're totally like you're just trying to get your feet under you in the opening credits to this movie and they're just constantly pulling the rug out from under you? It's it's awesome and then right after it. You have this intense close up on on Bonnie's mouth and and what the Hell is going on here? What kind of a movie? My in yeah you are being thrown and and I think all of that is what we were talking about earlier. They feel free to take some significant risks in this movie. Because that's risky. That's a risky way to begin. Movie totally and especially those dropped frames that you have this throughout the film where you're like did the did the movie. Just jump in this day and age. You're almost like is my my my Internet connection. Batum streaming this movie poorly. What's going on here right now? That's the point it is throwing you off. And I love how they're able to do that. Both on the micro level and the macro level and and so you have these very specific examples. We've talked about look no further than the opening credits. The opening scene but then also the ability for the film to feel confident enough in itself to say. We don't need to show you everything that's going to happen. You can fill in the gaps. Thank you the first example of which which jumps to mind is their recruitment of CW Moss. We don't get a scene of them saying to each other. You know what we need. We really need a driver. We need a team member. No all of a sudden. We're just in a gas station. We don't know if they're going to rob this poor kid what's going to happen. No they're recruiting him. Okay I get it or how we often will jump to their next hideout and we've skipped over clearly. A number of heists correct. We don't need every height trusting the viewer to be part of the story telling you and I've talked about this before it goes back to the Great Ernst Lubitsch. Two plus two is the director's job. The audience's job is four and the more the audience gets to do the for the more fun we have. I'm just sitting back eating my popcorn and drink in my diet coke. Then I'm not involved if I have to work along with the movie then I'm a happy guy that's just me. Yeah and I don't mean to. I guess put too much criticism or or anything like that towards like longer. Move along longer movies but I mean when you think about how much territory. Literal territory based film covers and how much relationship dynamic this film covers in an hour and fifty one minutes as you said it's so lean it is and it's so much fun because of that because we do fill in all of these gaps and we they set you up perfectly with the two plus two not. You don't have to what happened. Where are we know? I'd also like I think it's a good point to mention that. After all is said and done this is really Bonnie's story it is primarily Bonnie's journey clydes part of it but Bonnie is for the person we first meet it is Bonnie who watches clydes first robbery in the little grocery store in her little town. We don't see him. Do the robbery. We go in the store and come up. Bonnie is watching it. It's about Bonnie and her journey and it's also about Clydesdale cut me wrong but we have to have a focus and there is something. Truly extraordinary in Faye dunaway's astonishing performance in this movie. They're both astonishing but she is absolutely mesmerizing. Superficial to say it but this movie is Bonnie and Clyde correct it ain't it is perfectly you know. It's not just like a respect mean it is Bonnie and Clyde and we see she is the instigator of so much. I mean as you say that first robbery clydes going in to rob that grocery store except for the fact that she says yeah. You've got a gun but you won't use it right We could talk about that gun which he won't use and we'll do. We'll do it politely. He is impotent or at least appears to be and the gun becomes his surrogate potency bright and and the number of times that Bonnie either touches the gun or the Gun Islam. At first that first time as she touches the gun couldn't be more suggestive. I'd kind of wonderful and in truth the real the real Clyde is said to have not only been somewhat impotent possibly bisexual or even homosexual and the original story suggests that the CW Moss character was in fact also partnered sexually with Clyde as well as Bonnie at times. I think and pen very wisely made a deliberate choice not to go there. He thought it was just one too many risks to take in a movie that was otherwise taking a lot of risks for nine hundred and sixty seven and you mentioned the scene where they quote recruit. Cw Moss that. I wish we had visuals to go along with us. But that is a textbook. Study in how you look at planes in a movie. Yes because before that scene is over. Each of the three persons involved in this quote threesome gets the dominant plane or the submissive plane except for one Bonnie. Bonnie is in the middle plane no matter what. Clyde and C W are jockeying for position back and forth. In fact I say to the to the listeners turn off the sound in the CW recruitment scene and just see what you discover about human dynamics. It's really exciting. Yeah it's always a fun little exercise. Yeah I mean it's interesting that you mention it is one of those things that when you look back that the the sexual dynamics of the threesome. We're actually much more explicit in earlier drafts of this movie. There were actually a lot more scenes that much more clearly. Not Not so much intimated. I mean really showed that. Cw Moss was a sexual partner in. This was actually kind of necessary to get Clyde to perform and also I believe they even had cast a different actor. I who was much more attractive couch. More sexually appealing come policy and unattractive he's great and as you say Arthur Penn Sang. This is too much. We're going to end where I'll get into this one second but we need to cast someone who really isn't a sexual threat one way or the other and it's only very lightly implied that maybe Bonnie in Moss have their own set dynamic in this film. But there's no I think it comes back to something I want to talk about what this movie and we'll get to it in more fully. Which is I think Arthur pen. David Newman Robert Benton. Francois Truffaut understood that the audience needed to really really be in Bonnie and Clyde's corner. They needed to be sympathetic and win our affection and sat as it is to say obviously if Clyde were explicitly homosexual or bisexual they felt it would have alienated audiences in one thousand nine hundred sixty seven. They would not have them on his side. Yeah exactly they would've been right. And so they had to dial that way back and say the romance of quote Unquote Romance of Bonnie and Clyde needs to be central to this story and we need to be the audience to be fully invested in Bonnie. And Clyde if we're going to do what we hope to do by the end of and the pay off of that and that's perfectly put Max by the way the pay off of that is how all the other characters in the movie including people who are never even name but who are in banks when the place is getting robbed. Or whether it's the Great Evans Evans and gene wilder as Velma and Eugene googlers Czar D- they fall in love with the romance of the fact of Bonnie and Clyde has bank robbers and then joined by Blanche and buck later. That's the romance and you're right. Had had that other stuff messed with that too much. It would've thrown thrown off kilt. It's gotta be about them and they've got to be romanticized and in fact the Great Cultural Hoopla after this this and this movie was violently objected to in many quarters. For the very reason we're talking about you cannot romanticize bank robbers and killers. You can't yeah and and well you can you can. And that is actually kind of the main thing I want to talk about in this but coming back to what you're saying. It is exactly people fall in love with the story of Bonnie and Clyde throughout the movie and it comes back to exactly your point the fame that you know when you think nineteen thirty one thirty one to thirty four that this movie takes place in Robin Robin Hood it is. It is very Robin Hood. That takes its toll. I think of the scene of after both Bonnie and Clyde or terribly and then they stop in on that Bill Hoover Ville and ask for water and everyone gathers around the car and you just want to touch. I just want to touch them. And it is the fame and then coming back to Bonnie's point right your point that this is Bonnie's movie ultimately at the end of this film. Clyde is so anxious throughout this movie looking for what he wants his identity to be and he is only ever able to get the identity that fills him with life and guerrillasi through Bonnie. It is Bonnie's poem getting published in that newspaper telling his story making giving him a legacy. You know what that's not done. You told my story. And that's what he says and after that for the first time in the film he is sexually active with Bonnie. Yeah but he has to be. It has to be acknowledged fame. Is the APHRODISIAC. A being being recognized as the APHRODISIAC. That's an it's done so quietly. It's the in that marvellous scene when that happens. A newspaper with the Paula. Minute is rolling across the field like Tumbleweed. And when we get we get it we get it and look during the depression. It was seriously important that people be cared for and poor people felt the Bonnie and Clyde were in their corner. Yeah like that one scene in the bank where he gives the money back. If that's that guy's money it's not the bank's money he that's that's how they operate. Yeah absolutely now you mention of course that. This film was widely criticized for as you say Romanticizing Bank robbery and I think obviously at the time or whatever on initial viewing. It's easy to kind of take that viewpoint. Because at the end we are certainly rooting for two bank robbers. What I find so interesting about this movie is that people were critical about it for Romanticising Bank robbers and not realizing that Arthur Penn and the people on this film that their goal was to D- romanticize violence and the way that they could do that was to romanticize these two bank robbers. So you had to build up one mythology in order to tear down the far more interesting and abstract mythology and I find that so how that dynamic plays out over the course of the film to be so interesting. The only way it works is that we are so in Bonnie and Clyde corners. I keep saying we're rooting for them. We have so much affection for their dynamic rate that as they go along we can feel a certain lightheartedness with them. The comedic quality of this film with the Music Underneath Flats Flatt and scruggs with the Banjo data loyal. At exactly we can the only way it works. The only way to really develop is the violence to show. How truly gruesome. It is is to have that levity and to have that romantic side so that you can smash those two things up against each other and I think the best example of which is their first bank robbery with CW Moss of course Bonnie and Clyde go in the bank poor CW decides to go parallel park in the world's smallest parking space. They come out. Where's the car? Cw mosses there frantically turning the wheel and we go. Oh my God the hijinks of this moving back into this car smashing into the other ha ha ha they just shot a guy in the face bom dead and in one of the most memorable and important shots movie history because before this there was something in the Hays Code that said you cannot show a gun being fired and the result of the gun being fired in the same shot they did in this case. Oh boy do. And it's also a subtle or mosh to battleship Potemkin as well because the way in which the guy shot through the eyeglasses as in battleship Potemkin. But that's film nerd moment. You're that's that is the moment. That is the moment where you get that cross play and I don't want we'll talk about the end. Perhaps in more detail but the ending and the way he chooses to shoot the ending and record the shooting of the ending both tries to give some poetic quality to the people being killed and show the horrendous -ness of the violence that leads to there being killed kill. We'll we'll talk about that later. I suspect we'll get to it absolutely and but you're exactly right that I mean and then throughout the movie every escape once once. We are removed a step from the violence that Banjo playing. It's it's got a slapstick. Quality of these cars swerving around countryside's going through fieldstone cop totally keystone cops and you have and that but that is and we get those moments in the fleeing removed from the violence because that is how Bonnie and Clyde perceive themselves right they perceive themselves as we are leading the cops on a merry chase and were better at running than we are even stealing robbing banks. And it's all a good time but then we have those extremely punctuated moments where violence is unavoidable and so gruesome right and that for those moments we are up close and we see the effect it has especially on. Clyde how distraught he is every time he has to actually be violent right with somebody and we don't get the Banjo in those seen when violence is up close. There's nothing funny about it fact. There's there's one moment after. They're both been terribly wounded that we get the Banjo. Music cut in the same way. That Dede Allen cuts the movie every all the all the so many of if you will. Metaphorical frames are taken out of the Banjo. Music in the same way. Let me contrast two of those moments that you were just talking about. I'm sure the viewer. The listeners will remember that when they're I holed up in their little what they call their vacation home. They're taking some time off. And they order groceries to be delivered and the boy report them and we have a merry romp as they all run out of that with blanche with the bachelor and her hand the worst body double by the way I. It's it's hilarious. Larry screaming across the front lawns and pulling her in the car. And that's hilarious. And if you contrast that to the Motel Raid Nearer to the end of the movie much. The same idea that cops are common. Let's get out of here. It is literally day and night and yet is a study in how you take the same kind of scene and turn it from light to very very dark. Both literally and figuratively. And that's a great point. And we're buck gets mortally wounded wounded and dies like a bull. That's just been you know. A what a word at end of the bullfight when they kill the bull. Yeah A and gene. Hackman actually is trying to do that when he dies there. Watch it. It's like an animal dime totally and Bonnie and Clyde get wounded and we're off to the final races at the end of them. I mean I love your your point of the two home escapes and I think also of course. I mean the when they are ambushed the next morning after that motel room and they are able to get in the car and they're just driving around in circles right and this is not the Banjo music anymore as they are just quite literally fish in a barrel getting shot and then the I mean absolutely gruesome death of buck. I mean it's so horrible. It is so gruesome with Blanche with glands screaming and yeah I mean and then they kind of go from spatula blanche exactly I mean to blanche her husband and Blanche in general again simplest annoying character in the movie she is but I love her transformation while against talking about editing to a point that the audience can put put it all together. That her quite. I mean such the Prim and proper preacher's daughter when we first meet her and then going into the final she and she's still annoying but she is one of the gang now. He is and she wants her money to. She wants her money and her whole demeanor changes in in such a way her kind of general presence and then she's reminded of the choices. She's made watching her husband and die. Max. I think this is a very good moment to talk about the other. Big Change at the heart of the movie. They have just abducted as it. Were in a comic way Velma and Eugene and they're having a maritime of it having fun with them and Bellman Eugene or so excited to be with the famous bond in Clyde I mean the whole sequence is is such a great moment of levity and gene wilder by the war breakout performance. Put Him on the map and then suddenly they say what do you do for a living and he says? I'm an undertaker and the minute Bonnie here's anything about death. The movie changes your movie changes and they. I don't know if you know this. But the very shortly thereafter when she tries to leave and insert this run on her own and she runs into a field. And they're looking for her. There's this great long shadow that comes across the field. That looks as if it were done today. By a computer it was completely accidental. Simply shooting that scene and guess what they are in the Midwest that happens. I'm a mid West Kid. I know suddenly this cloud comes over and the whole field darkens as the movie darkens in. It's right that that we go into that almost phantasmagoric family reunion. The Bonnie has with her people which is a study in style and very French new wave by the way. Oh that's one of the most Frenchie new wave moments in the film. The sound is different. The look is totally different so saws over the Lens. A vassal. Lean some of the lenses. I'm not quite sure but it's awesome. Yeah and Guess. What though in even that family reunion. The family has kept a scrapbook of of famous Bonnie. And Clyde. They're looking through what they go. Oh Wow and bucks playing a little game of death with one of the kids you know. It's death and fame in the midst of this family reunion and Bonnie's mother who is the smartest character films. I wouldn't I wouldn't do that. You know she knows by the way. That's just a local actress scores in a stunning performance. It's so it's so simple but it's so it's so poignant to the moment d. I don't know exactly herb. And his whole thing. She moved three miles from me. You're going to die. They're GONNA get you. You can't do that. What are you. What are you trying to sell me here? Clyde yeah it is it is totally surreal moment as you say it is so they literally transporting themselves to another world. The one that I can't help when I recently when I've seen I'm curious if you feel the same way the look of this scene to me is totally inspirational again. I told you about that. It to me evokes. What would later come in the scenes in the godfather when you have Elli Pacino going back to Sicily or in Godfather to when you have the flashback sequences where you're like this is a different place in time. You have a different kind of emotional sentimentality of purity of all of these things you know. And I'm like I just see those scenes later in the godfather in this scene so perfect both of those. The operative word is family and how we all think about family and family for US particularly as we think back does feel like if you go back in time like an old daguerreotype or an old tin type but it is through a filter it is through a gauzy. Memory it is. There's a certain poetic sized beauty to it that that softens what may be wasn't true at the time but that's how we think about family and then the Guy. That's a great analogy. I like that I just as I see there in the individuals of that scene later and then coming back and they do a very much evoke similar emotional moments and again coming back to what you said right. Which kind of leads to this? Is that scene of Eugene. I'm an undertaker them. Out of the car which is such a again that juxtaposition how quickly this film turns on an emotional. Cue where you're like. Oh things are serious now and it's not funny anymore. Ani's turn and in just to remind us. This is Bonnie and Clyde exactly right and it brings us forward because so much of this film. Warren Beatty is fantastic but Faye dunaway. The subtlety of her looks throughout the movie. She evokes so much with a simple look where we get so much insight and again that fear of. I'm an undertaker. I don't even WanNa be near you to me. It's the split second moment when she's playing with her nephew. Assume her nephews and one of them rolls down the sand and he pretends to be lying. There dead for a moment doesn't move and you see this like panic in her face she and then the kid gets up and runs away and quick and just split-second. She's like laughing but like convincing herself to laugh. Like oh no it's okay it is. I mean you know and then it's not long after that again to scenes kind of coming up against each other early on Clyde saying you know you're never going to have a moment's peace and fade and Bonnie saying you know you promise promise and then her at the end late in the film saying I realized that you know we're not we're not going anywhere. We're not going someplace we're just going we're just going you mentioned beatty and I just want to say one thing. That was very difficult for all of us in one thousand nine hundred sixty seven because I was in my late twenties in nineteen sixty seven and we all knew Hollywood gossip and the idea that one of Hollywood's most famous loath oreos was playing. Someone who was sexually impotent was a little tricky for us also a good time to mention the clothing in this movie which in one sense makes no sense. Teodora van rankle brilliant costume designer. They just decided to give them the most that the sexiest looking designer clothes. They could their moments in the film. You want to go. Where did they get those new clothes where? I didn't see them shopping. And but we don't carry as part of it is part of intentionally glamorizing these two romantic characters and we loved it and buy for ten years thereafter and. I'm not exaggerating the Bonnie and Clyde looked particularly the Bonnie look right became very popular among young women with the Berated. The side right slouch things you still sees lower. She kind of still letters actually moments. I think it all comes back around eventual. It does if you're I mean you're absolutely right but again it is those filling in the gaps that we see them watching the scene of. We're in the money and the next scene. She has the Necklace Essex. She has the necklace and we don't need to see her being like. Oh there's the necklace and I'm GonNa go buy it but what I find so interesting. Is that again. It's like once. They are kind of inaction. We both understand that clearly there robbing banks and they have a certain amount of money on hand. But it's never as successful as they would hope and it's kind of they are just spending it on the trappings of fame there. They the one thing they spend money on are nice clothes and every time we see their domestic spaces and somehow this their life the life. They've chosen of bank. Robbers is supposed to be. The alternative is the best way. We have to make money in these hard times. We see their domestic spaces contrasted briefly with the domestic spaces of people who are really struggling through the Great Depression. Like it's not like they're living a better life really yeah. They've got a roof over their head but it doesn't count for much of the police are going to start shooting through the windows at any moment. And these are grimy motel lodges for tourists and their life and looks at on yours and living at the end with. Cw's God awful Father Bob or he or CW godawful snoring in the scene in which they're all sharing a room. I mean like again. It's just like there's no romance to that at all. No No. There's nothing you get those in. So it's like you. You see them in action and they look very glamorous when they rob banks but at the end of the day. It's there's nothing romantic about his life before we talk about the ending. I and I assume that's kind of where we're headed at. Least I think think that's where we have to be. I just WANNA give one other little shoutout to Arthur Penn because Arthur Penn before. This movie took a lot of risks in the films that he directed he and he was he on. Broadway he had done all the way home by Tad Moselle. He had done the miracle worker by William Gibson. He made a movie of the Miracle Worker. He took risks movie called targets. He took risks. And so I just want to say that Arthur Penn was the natural choice to be the guy to deliver this film in the way that it needed to be delivered and whoever specifically decided. It's pen that we need. Which I think probably was. Badie made the right choice. I just want to give and Penn said that I mean he demanded final cut for this film given that his earlier films had gotten. He's not going to go through that experience again. I say maybe it's beatty or whatever that advocated for him to say all right. This person needs the sale with this movie is going to be I. May I use a four letter word in our shield? Your ears folks if you're going to be offended but TAD's GonNa say a bad word now. So when Warner saw this movie and didn't the Rue the the word was that if when he's watching the movie he gets up to go to the bathroom if he gets up several times. I mean he doesn't like the movie so he got up several times so we knew he didn't like the movie so beatty goes up to him. And and Warner says what was that he said. Well it's an Omar to the French new wave and Warner said what the Fox anoma so that that really kind of but guess what we still got the movie and the movie became a huge deal not successful at first critically. It's one of the only movies and the history of Hollywood that prominent critics like Vincent Camby for example rewrote their review after they saw the movie a second time after they reappraised it. Yeah and there. Was this famous moment between Pauline Kale and Arthur Penn. Which I really love. She said she was. Pooh poohing the alternative theory and whatever whatever whatever and he didn't really you know he's not really an altar and whatnot and Arthur Penn said I don't know what a now terriers but I sure in. Hell directed the movie. And that's where I think we we have to leave with Arthur Penn. Yeah now let's talk about the ending. Let's but I do again. I love your anecdote about Jack Warner because I mean he is at this point. He is at the cusp of his retirement. I mean he's literally you know out the door at this point but just take a step back. This is the man who oversaw the studio that were masters of the gangster film of Gangster and he watches this movie and his like. What has what has happened to my world. What he doesn't get it. What is you know exactly? I mean at some point. There's a famous world right off the tower the water tower at the lot and there's WB on the tower and he says look out there. That's that's Me Warner Brothers and Warren Beatty said No. It's me Warren Beatty. I hope that story is true. Seems smug enough to To be but anyway. Yeah so we we build to this ending. We've now I think as as effectively as possible at this point in the film that we kind of go to quite nurse. Our wounds at the Moss homestead. We've lost I mean. I think we understand at this point the absolutely horrific reality violence right. We are no longer caught up in the in the romanticism of their life. And where we start to have that tragic feeling of like there's no. There's no out for these people. I mean the the scene of of Bonnie trying to have that moment with with Clyde saying if we could just do it all over again what would you do differently? And he's like all he can do is a different plan to rob banks and she's just so you don't get it and she gets it and we get it that they're not long for this world that the that the closing in too fast and all you have to do is remember the close up you get on. Cw His dad's face when he's taking the bodies out of the car. You realize this is a dangerous character. And he's going to be really important in a nasty way to the end of the story and if you didn't quite get it enough just in case you thought he was like a country bumpkin or something. We have absolutely amazing scene of them out on the porch and him playing exactly into that into that persona. It's so nice to have famous people here in my house and you guys wouldn't take forty dollars in. You can stay here as long as you possibly want. And then the verbal lashing he gives. Cw MOSS inside their home throwing hot oatmeal or poor writing on the kids bare chest on lots of Tattoo. I love it also were. They're pulling the wounded bodies out of the car and said about the Bonnie. I'm glad you're glad your mother isn't here to see a live to see what happened. The and W MOSS is. He's not quick enough to get it right. He's still there being like. Oh Daddy aren't you? Isn't it cool having two famous people here in your house but I mean that that transformation just just when you think maybe I mean the really the closing moments in this film that you couldn't be caught off guard that transformation of the father in how we actually understand? He feels about the reality of the situation. I mean they caught me. It still catches me. You know you're like wow and the exchange in town when you know we don't hear any dialogue when you know he's delivering the goods to the Ranger. Who HAS BEEN AFTER? Bonnie and Clyde and you real that negotiation the way that shot a close. It's for silent of course Russell's and it's very like if you really want to get film dirty this. It's very like the scene. Where Benjamin and Elaine in the graduate. I have their date That ends up at the Strip club. It's shot in almost exactly that same. Kaleidoscopic way without sound with an appointment log yeah. It's a very scary scenes. Both of those and then they hit the road to go out of town after that. Clever little dodge and very clever. And it's of course the first time right where we now really no more right than Bonnie and Clyde and we know that we don't know exactly but we know we know that good for you. That's right. I mean we now know obviously because we do our privileged to an even though we don't hear what they say obviously cw Musk's father talking with the Marshall of the Sheriff or whatever he is ranger the ranger thank you. That's that's the word I'm looking for. We know that it's just a matter of time. Now and that when you you know earlier in the film had police cars pulled up next to them. Oh Yeah we would feel the suspense of okay. Well how are we going to get out of this situation and then in this scene? It's so brilliant of the the suspense totally shifts in that. We see that that's clydes goal and and we know that this is it. I mean that we are now on the crowd literally the final countdown on the you know to them. We get a very specific. Omar to the French new wave when the Sun Glass Lens pops out and that is specifically to the movie breathless for those films among you. WanNa go there. So that's delivered Bosch and then when they're in the car we get a lovely reference to Adam and Eve because she's got a piece of fruit and she took a bite out of it and she gives it to her guy now and there you go and if you want to say that Adam and eve or related much the same way the Bonnie and Clyde. There's a lot of truth to it because Eve is controlling the situation so true and a nice I think again we read into these things after the fact and who knows whether they're purposeful or not but again I can't help but feel that lens popping out of his glasses right. It's a nice kind of record wreck. Recall to of course the killing of the banker who shot right through the eye on the on the base of their car like this is exactly ultimately going to suffer the same fate and it is. It's such a sweet moment them driving and they're gonNA go pick up their son W Maas over. The course of this film takes on a much more of a of a younger brother childlike persona. And what will come back? And we'll get him and it's all fine and we're sharing fruit and we've had our troubles but by and large were on a good path. Now they feel good about themselves. It's like their dads standing out there and look and it's such a it's such like it's really frankly probably the sweetest here domestic moment of the film or just a couple in their car driving down the road. These are not bank robbers in this moment. And it's brilliant in the sense that again. We know it's coming but we don't see the men in the bushes but we know it's we know it's just seconds away we feel it and the way they're able to evoke that where where we know exactly what's going to happen without knowing what's going to happen is brilliant and then in and there's a great deal that your listeners can read about this online or however they want to but the care and the the meticulous care that went into the shooting of that final scene no pun intended several cameras running at very different speeds and then the editing of all of it together in a way that makes it both poetic and horribly violent and some of the effort that went into it for example they never changed the car which keeps getting shot up but after each take they had to re do all the holes in the car and plant new. Squibb's so that they would explode at the right time and the bodies had to be rigged with it. It. It is an example of preparation. Patience exhaustion I don't know the exact number of days. Maybe you do that. They did but it does a lot of work. It's a absolute methodically and it has become one of those scenes that you have to know about to know about American movie history. It is one of the most famous scenes and pen deliberately said. I wanted that last. Seen not just I wanted to show the horrible violence that was perpetrated against them by also giving it a poetic quality so we could remember that we love them. And that's that's the whole movie right. Is that we for us to feel the absolute gruesome -ness of this violence. It has to be perpetrated against people that we have come to love over the course of this movie so you say it exactly. That is both poetic has almost lyrical quality to it. And at the same time. It is so gruesome every time I watch this scene. I'm Mike you guys could have just arrested them like they weren't going anywhere like you had the surrounded. It's like two of them like he's already out of the car. Just arrest them but no. That's not even in the cards right. There's not a there's no. There's no bloodless loss. There's help put your hands up. It's and quite literally for this for this ranger which I think actually that was. One of Truffaut's notes in his consultation was that he was like in needs to be the ranger who they humiliate who ultimately comes back and kills them just kind of have that construction or to that. Which again is more? Hollywood but it works. Exactly what's necessary but it is to me. It's not like I'm head like any unique insight into this particular. Seeing that is as you say widely studied but right you have that. Split split-second of Bonnie and Clyde locking is him looking to her her looking to him and it is slow. It is just a quiet moment. And then you have the unleash of just the absolute torrent of bullets. And that's what that scene comes down to. It's what the whole movie comes down to. You have a a human connection that you are completely invested in that they're invested in and we now are as the audience but there's no saving in the very final go to black moment is if you study at carefully off the beat. Just exactly as the clicks were at the beginning. It has to be right it that suddenly you wait. Oh it's over. It has to be off the beat. It has to be off the beat. It has to have no more lines. I mean there's no snow more spoken where you just have the the law men kind of encroaching in but as you say you're not going to get a last final poetic moment right. You had your poetic connection but the bullets of flown. The bodies are dead and there's nowhere else to go and the two guys who just happened on the violence who have to look at it as well like what the hell just happened here. And it's a it is a beautiful study in violence and death and fame and how how people matter to me. I love this. And that's and that's I agree with everything you're saying why people matters such a poignant way of putting it where you say you can understand especially in this day and age where we still blame You know media and art forms for all the violence in the world and you know you have. You can't help but question that a little bit but so you say like okay like those reviews that were so critical of this movie. Yes we have a romance of these two bank robbers but no one comes out of this movie and says I want to be a bank robber not for a second because we just needed to build up the mythology of Bonnie and Clyde we needed to change Bonnie and Clyde Right Bonnie and Clyde were not attractive people. These were quite literally ugly and and spiritually ugly ugly people but no we had to make them beautiful and we had to make it so we love them so we could show how horrible this life and the violence that surrounds them really is right. And if if people went out dressed like Bonnie and Clyde they weren't also robbing banks so it's it's okay. Yeah well equipped. Well put their Ted any any final thoughts on on Bonnie and Clyde and its place in Nelly. Say that long with the graduate and in the heat of the night and Dr Doolittle and Guess WHO's coming to dinner. Those five films were nominated for an Oscar in nineteen sixty seven and the films that were essentially overlooked were the graduate and Bonnie and Clyde now guess which films we talk about more today which which to have we done an episode Ana. We haven't done an episode on in the heat of the night. Which by the way is quite a good movie. Yes but compared to these two giants. There's a terrific book about this again. For film enthusiasts. It's called pictures at a revolution by Mark Harris about about the making of all five of those movies and the dynamics that went into the final win for in the heat of the night. Yeah Okay if you if you haven't already listen to it or maybe if you're just hoping for a little retrospective on the year of Nineteen sixty-seven go back and check out episode. Ninety four of classic movie must were Ted and I talk about the graduate. I think especially if you haven't listened to it already and it might be fun to listen to these two episodes in conjunction with each other. Because there's no two ways about it. Obviously the late nineteen sixties was a transformative moment for Hollywood. It is a kind of a watershed moment of global cinema coming together. And and you see that in these two particularly special transcendent movies that. I think hit just as hard today as they certainly did. And nine hundred sixty seven here here thank you ted. Thank you Max. That concludes our episode on Bonnie. And Clyde I would love to hear what you think of this classic movie must as always you can feel free to tweet at movie must pod or emailed classic movie musts at G Mail Dot Com. 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Episode 369: Bonnie and Clyde Part I - Once You Go Short

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Episode 369: Bonnie and Clyde Part I - Once You Go Short

"No place to escape. Tunis news, the loss time pass on the left. Glaze cannibalism started. All right. Again, I'm going to say I begin this episode that massacres are not cool. No. No. No, it's not cool. I know that random runaway Bank Robbie bribery, SRI crime, and crime gangs, and it's not cool though. None of it's cool though. But. Also, could I just clarify this in this episode? Yeah. And obviously, you're like why did you redo it? Evidently, Henry started this last episode west massacres are cool. You can't say master's cool, and then this is you correct, just the audience understand why we have this interest. I used to be kind of freer and more. This the last podcast I embed with Marcus. Hello. And of course, we have gorgeous Henry browse sqi in Los Angeles. I just wanna drive a car fast with I just wanna have all night shit where you just go on, like and hand like laughing at the wall that laws on my back say, and I wanted, that's fun. Fun lifestyle. Would then what we're going to find out the reality of this today's episode and the reality of criminals was, it was actually very rough living. And there wasn't anything romantic about it. No, I would love to see you full of road rage in a model t just like. Just like. The road. And you're just yelling at deer and the axe because I don't even know if there were other cars on the road, then of all right? So why are we talking about this whole time he stuff? Maybe that's her during my be. I don't know. Anyway, today's episode this is like a longtime. Come right longtime come. They want to do this for so long. Marcus is like super thrilled. This is going to be the last podcast definitive history of body, and CLYDE, now Marcus has really given me I've really gotten history HIV for more because for so long viewed it as boring in school. I was bad at it right? As an every class the way I was taught in high school was the antiquated way where they didn't care if you were interested. It was just a list of facts teacher who stood at the front of the class, just listed facts. We wrote down facts, and then we did we did tests. Right all it was we're nowadays kids. It's like teachers dressed up in cost. Stew GMs the act it out. And then they write out the answers for the tests for them with their hands and they make sure everybody's having fun. They could flowers and snacks. I think if a gross misunderstanding of the US. It's much much worse than it was. When we were kids, Jesus Christ, I a teacher Mr Thomas mcken who let us listen to Billy Joel's. We didn't start the fire over and over and over again until I learned about JFK. Also. So we're undermining CLYDE, it's interesting the way it has to be named Bonnie and CLYDE, CLYDE, and Bonnie unmarked because CLYDE, and Bonnie just sounds like a midwest Christian couple who own Chick-fil-A like God reclosed on Sunday. So we can also teach bible study, CLYDE in body. Just does not work. We'll also going to learn now these, these type of things that allow these legends to grow is it, sometimes it's really just about your name the package, the time period. And that's why Bonnie and CLYDE up until now. They stick in the magic of America. And there is something to that will here, but there isn't into that freedom. Aspect people love. Yeah, we'll Bonnie Parker and CLYDE barrow to depression era criminals from Texas who over the course of two years robbed innumerable small businesses and gas stations stole dozens. If not hundreds of cars robbed a couple of banks, and we're indirectly or directly responsible for the deaths of thirteen men. Ooh massacres were cool. Henry. We know. We do kind of run into neighboring. It's crazy. The more we research biting they're so much fun because they were such such ridiculous characters. It was like bullets flying out of a big cloud of dirt rolling through town. I mean, there's a reason why Flatt and Scruggs foggy mountain breakdown was chosen as the theme for the Bonnie and CLYDE movie interest is really, really fast, banjo music and fiddle. And that's how they though. Absolutely. You think about the end of the devil's rejects that great, rob zombie, film, shootout, and stuff like that. That's the best midnight rider and that fucking sequence still gives me a bone is the best now. Although Bonnie and CLYDE, or not probably the most remembered of all the notorious criminals of thirty's, partly because the nineteen sixty seven movie of the same name, they were arguably the worst at actually making crime pay. They were horrible at it. No. If you go by the opinions of their peer such as John Dillinger, Bonnie, and CLYDE were amateur posers, messy kids, who were only making life, more difficult for the ones who actually knew what they were doing. So was there like a company meeting where there were like Bonnie, and CLYDE, you haven't been performing this, this quarter, can you? Please do better. The next John Dillinger look at him. He's aces as we go through these stories you're going to see true. They were they were essentially again, posing as these people. They grew admire these true outlaws of the nineteen thirties. Because John Dillinger people like the Baker boys knees were guys that were going. They were poor. Going off crazy hice making crazy Bank when Bonnie and CLYDE were little little picks offs of little, little stores and the random people, they're only making like ten to fifty bucks at a time and kind of would happen with them is that the again, the freeze frame that picture which will then get into the actual picture of Bonnie and CLYDE pointing guns at each other cigarettes hanging out in the mountains. So it's like it just to six. Is that Bonnie? And CLYDE, had one thing that criminals like Dellinger and baby face Nelson. And pretty boy, Floyd didn't have bonding, CLYDE were fucking interesting now would baby face Nelson. Did he really have the face of the baby from happy birthday to you? Happy death day. That's horrifying because bonding CLYDE were young reasonably attractive and we're fucking. They got the romantic treatment because he I mean you got to remember, I mean, this is nineteen thirty one nineteen thirty two I mean a young couple on the road illicit sex and married like that's some saucy shit. But I mean it's not like it was romantic. They were fucking using petroleum or something. I mean, I can't imagine it was like really romantic sex known fewer were too young bit boop, jazz boys that got out of the, the little shitty neighborhood that they were in and exploded on the national scene. So people looked up to them. Okay. See the story most people think about when Bonnie and CLYDE or mentioned is one of two young lovers sticking it to the man and live in life by their own rules. And on the surface that part of the story holds true into the people who are suffering through the great depression of the thirties, Bonnie, and CLYDE were heroes for just that reason people felt so. So God, damn powerless back then that the idea of two people killing thirty figures I e cops made them feel good interest. A loved it. Add to that. The myth Bonnie and CLYDE were actually competent Bank, robbers who were ceiling from the very same people that were foreclosing on homes and farms left. Right. And you got a recipe for celebrity, you got yourself, a Robin Hood, would they were getting enough to share? You were getting up to buy things of the neighborhood. They were doing the hammer way where. Out of glass looking down on west. The deeper reality of the situation, however, was one of two young kids who felt they deserved more in this world than the poverty into which they were born. So the decided to take a short cut to respect and as a result over a dozen innocent people died now that's not to say that Bonnie and CLYDE, had easy lives. They didn't as we'll soon. Get into both of them grew up. So poor that when the great depression came along in nineteen twenty nine the day to day lives with their families were barely affected. That's the best part of having nothing to lose. Nobody can take anything from you. Yeah. I mean it is strange, the great depression hits, and they just have like welcome. Welcome to my world, our you going to do, and they probably did much better than the folks who had something now lost everything. They're like see follow our lead. We know how to be poor because they're all being punished for their fake ass money. That's the problem and they, they didn't have fake money but they didn't even have real money and they didn't have anything and they were just hauling junk now. Plenty of your junk. But whatever sympathy, we may have for Bonnie and CLYDE ends. The moment murder comes into the picture on the people who got killed were not the industrial bigwigs politicians who are actually responsible for keeping people like Bonnie and CLYDE living in the dirt much of the time. They're victims were either shopowners just trying to survive, a regular dudes. Trying to make a couple extra bucks. A small town cops whose most dangerous duty was supposed to just be breaking up drunken fights. Right. So they rolled into town man. Again, feel the dust like Yosemite, Sam and two they're not hardened killers. Like we find out about CLYDE barrows. He's not a fucking serial killer. He's dude that just knows that he, you know, we'll see moments of mercy this, it's an incredible story. The ark that CLYDE and Bonnie, the arc the Bonnie and CLYDE, go through it's incredible story. But the, you see a lot of the murders are accidental and also just when you got a guy in the corner again, who's got nothing loose into address another. Myth about at least CLYDE right up top. Okay. Clyde barrow was neither impotent as he was portrayed by Warren Beatty. Nor was he gay. Honestly that is incredible. Warren Beatty is an actor. He could produce impotent warned me back in the day. I mean I'd give it up. Give it up immediately him and Faye. Dunaway actually had to make an agreement to not fuck on the set. The ro. And you only way for him to look cool as to pretend his dictate more. Well, the only reason why they portrayed him as impotent is because the original script had CLYDE barrow as bisexual and since that would be too. Controversial for nineteen. Sixty seven impotence was somehow the compromise. Okay. I don't get why. But that's what it was studio exists for you. I also like that at the time, but you can buy sexual meant it was like bodies like mount come tomorrow now, and he would like kind of look to the side, and see, another man like just sort of look outside tiny open door like, and then he just kind of look at the ground and go say, in the Mona bonding and leave, and it's like gay. What do you mean back then you just described a scene from bohemian rhapsody? Exactly rhapsodies backwards. Shitty move. I've heard as far as the claims that CLYDE barrow was gay went that seems to have come from a place of homophobia. I eat the idea that if you really wanna make someone evil, you make him gay on top of everything else. I gotta say as an advocate for the TQ community. I miss scary gay I want to be scary, again because that is like you're gonna miss. I want all to be like the teacher from nightmare elm street to Washington. We're gonna have our rights, by the way, or we will pummel you every way possible. Yes, I am gay. But I'm also a super villain. Well, the claims that CLYDE was gay comes from the opposite side of romanticizing, Bonnie and CLYDE some authors like to paint CLYDE as a full on psychopath with some even claiming that CLYDE was a child killer, who preferred boys and never even slept with bunny, but those claims came long after the pair were killed at the height of their popularity in the early thirties. It would have been suicide for a paper to buck. The narrative of two young lovers on the run. The truth is usual, though, is somewhere in between, although there is a fair amount of romance to the story, Bunning, CLYDE, mostly a couple of dumb young kids who knew full well, the consequences of their actions, but just didn't give a fuck. But I will say this is by far of all the stories we've covered on last podcast and left the most romantic. This is the this is the story where the love actually was real Bonnie and CLYDE, loved the Thuc. Out of each other in a way, that was probably kind of sick. They were like they were obsessed with each other. There were codependent on each other each other. But that's why no matter the one fucking separate them. It's, it's great. It's kind of it's nice 'cause you can kind of magic or self you frigging like Kissel, in a Ford model t win. The Bud Light with a wig on. Hundred and Robin Ray various people drive through love indeed. But all it took for their celebrity status to come. Crashing down was one huge fuck up. And when that buck was paired with misreported story, the tide of public opinion turned, and when it came to that type of celebrity, the turning of the tide meant certain death. But before we get into the story, let's acknowledge our main source today, go down together by Jeff Guinn, which is just like Gwynn's the road to Jonestown zap -solutely fantastic. And highly recommended this is the same used as a big source for Jonestown episodes. This yet. Jeff Gwynn's road to go down together. Fuckin- read it, it's great. It's like an action movie. Yeah. He writes an incredibly real action movie. That is their lives. It's, it's, it's awesome. It's gripping. And some people have taken umbrage with Gwynn's telling the story by saying, he made it a bit too much of an action movie say assumes of few things that he shouldn't, but we'll do our best to address those claims when they arrive. All right. So without further ado, let's get into the always sexy. Always bloody. And sometimes very dumb story, a Bonnie Parker, and CLYDE, barrow. Now, while neither Bonnie nork, CLYDE were born in anything even closely resembling money out of the two Claude chestnut. Barrow was by far the most poverty stricken, having grown up and almost third world conditions. Your middle name was named after the only food we had in the house chest. The brothers name bud broken teeth. Born on March twenty fourth nineteen ten CLYDE was the fifth child of seven born to Henry, and cue me barrow, you say in cue me, then it's spelled coming. Something's going on in that house with seven kids. It's pronounced cue me it is coming. Sprouts cume because that's all the documentaries, they call their cume. Just call her coming. This is not a promise that now I'm gonna flip. But the other way just being like a cube. That sounds like you're coming. Well, thank you to math. We're but accurate. So when CLYDE was born Henry, his father was a sharecropper, who toiled in the dirt fields of telecom Texas near the town of enough's. They just sell in dirt. Dirt farmer is sharecropper D just piled dirt together. He's up. A might a dirt, man, then people come and pay to pretend to be their father. No, they're farming cotton. This is cotton limb. These are all cotton, farmers. Oh, actually, we all drove through Innis during our first Texas door when we were driving from Austin, Dallas, I remember that. I remember looking out the window and seeing look at that beautiful town. It's so majestic and glorious. You don't remember a damn thing. Joy listeners out, Nina's, we love you. And if you've ever PT cruiser inning, it's your number one fear. All right, we had a town, and we had a gated community in our neighborhood. That was NS town. They had a across the street and people used to paint a p in front of it. You have to we have canal street here in, in New York. And the fact that every teenager, hasn't marked off the sea to make an anal street is making me a little disappointed in the youth quite honestly me. Definitely played her part of the weather beaten religious sharecropper's wife, living, a life of struggle and penitence that was rooted in the belief that being poor was a sign that Jesus actually loved, you more than those who were rich. It's like the opposite of the it's like the opposite of the prosperity gospel that we got going on. That is a line that was sold to people for a long time. And the idea of keeping them poor this part of the weird like clash struggles of the church where they. They would basically treat you don't worry be happy. You don't need to strive for more you don't because God loves the fact that you never smile. You write a really never smile on the pictures. They have of Comey and kids, you me where she? The all look like the, the all look like what's his name? The pig pen. From Charlotte's from Charlie Brown. All covered in dirt. And they don't even have the energy to frown a bunch of lines. It's all the emojis with the two dots for the is in the line for a face. They were working hard though, hoping to make. Yes. Hopefully hoping to make a big one day, perhaps I mean most of them were just hoping to make it to the next meal like making a big for most people. It was not even an option. And as Gwen points out CLYDE was taught from a young age. The poor people were godly and good, while people with money were, by their very nature, sinful allied with the devil, and inherently lesser them. Okay. Interesting. Interesting flip reversal. Yeah. Now, as I said, CLYDE was only one of seven kids and all the boys grew up with fun little nicknames. Clyde was known as bud because CLYDE was very friendly. Oh, his oldest brother Elvin was called Jack. Although no one can remember why the name. That's just a that's another claude's younger brother was known. Flop, because he had big ears cute. You get while clydes older brother Ivan, who would be the biggest influence in clydes life was known only as book. Oh, god. You don't wanna be bucket. A dark alley. Buck barrow. Call me domes cause a bird eight mile. Forgot we had an eighth child. Seems like humi did the best she could with the kids or at least by the standards of the time, which meant a whole lot of weapon and a whole lot of Jesus. And when the boys were young, they really weren't all that bad as far as we know there was, none of the early childhood signs of overtly violent criminal behavior. I mean they did grow up idolizing famous American outlaws, like Jesse James and Billy the kid. But so did just about every other poor kid at the time. Yeah. I love the empire growing up as a child. I wanted to be I like the empire Darth Vader. Yeah. I mean there's nothing wrong with that. They dressed better. They had better amenities in their space crowds sucked. Well, this is very controversial. Guy was Hewlett presume it was cool was Thuban. He was cool shoebox was very cool, by the way. All right, P Peterman Hugh, yes. But the barrow boys being good all changed, when bucks started stealing Roosters. Aw. Wanted to get in the cockfight to make a little money. And since his family had no money he started stealing all of his money makers, could you can't raise a fighting cock. You gotta steal a fighting cock. No, you can't go. And just because what are you gonna spank cock, you're gonna get the russert and you're gonna give it spanked? You're going to beat your and call it names. How do you make angry? The, the code the go coached all the girls sports at my school. He raised fighting cocks used to go to Oklahoma every weekend. Vitam re this is not a euphemism for anything, right? I just wanted to be sure we're still talking about Roosters. Yeah, we're talking about Roosters. Yeah. Okay. Coach Arnold now. He's take the fight because it was still legal in Oklahoma. So we'll, I'm coach Arnold erase fighting cocks yet whole plot of land for it was still legal. Yeah. Wow. How do you make a mean? Cock without having a bad. Mommy. Stop saying the word. Well, that was about the worst trouble the barrel boys could get into out and telecom stealing fighting cocks. But everything fell apart when World War One came to an end see when the war was raging. European farmers couldn't produce crops for obvious reasons and because American farmers with the only game in town prices for crops went through the roof during World War One, but as soon as the war was over, and the European started producing, again the bottom fell out of the market here in America and sharecroppers like Henry barrow were put out on their ass. I don't pretend to understand a single. Goddamn thing about economics. I really don't understand. I don't understand anything about, like financial politics or any kind of shed or, but it is really interesting to see how Gwynne breaks down how essentially these these wartime politics us putting ourselves into will war one, how that ended up creating essentially the whole depression kinda would fall into all of this. Wide ranging decades, long bullshit that ended up turning up like mix within the dust bowl happening and the I'ts, it's America almost like destroying us, and creating an entire true crime subculture because of it. It's a lot of stuff in their liver crime economics. It's a fascinating little. It's a fun. Little intertwining study there. So with nothing left to do in the country, the barrow, family loaded up their wagon and headed to the rapidly growing city of Dallas in nineteen twenty two we're industry was having the same sort of boom, agriculture was having a few years before problem was, nobody wanted to employ people like Henry barrow see the city fathers of Dallas had a vision for their city wherein, this smallish, Texas town would one day be on par with cosmopolitan cities like San Francisco and Paris. Honestly, I'm going to say they beat San Francisco when we were Dallas, we did not see one pile of Hugh. VC's. Because they all walk along all the highways and the. I don't use them pooh-pooh what's know if Dallas is better than San Francisco. I'm. I'm going to say it's not. I will say the Dallas is an interesting place, because what you've talked about it Marcus in the way of I've heard other people talk about is it seems to be Dallas was pretty high falutin for itself, and did believe that they wanted to create essentially a city of elites and I actually don't know if like a lot has changed, Dallas is doing very well. We were just there. I love Dallas. I tell you, I liked Dallas better now than I did. When I was in college like some places at popped up in dollars recently honky-tonk. Yeah. But Dallas was trying to be a Bank and city. Okay. I mean they didn't want. They wanted to be as far removed from the cowboy culture, the, the rest of texts had they wanted to remove themselves from his far aways, possibly get and younger people like clydes older siblings fit into that vision, quite nicely. His older brother, Jack became a mechanic, while a sister Nell became a hairdresser, because the bankers who were planning to rule the city with an iron fist needed people to fix their cars and do their hair. Both of them fell right in line also. And, but that also did those that took workforce away from the barrel farm, and the people that needed to basically inherit this piece of land that Henry barrow was working for years. He basically pooped out a bunch of fuck and city kids. Yeah. Like your father had you'd Marcus. Just like you have a city child. That's in a country plates, K at do the farm work. I it's like if I was born then to do I'm going to get beat the death in a field. Well, it'd be funny though. It'll be a great show. You do understand the Marcus father didn't birth him like Arnold Schwarzenegger, and junior. Well, just mother, it wa-. It was. And they've been very supportive of my city boy from on premise. But then you have people like Henry barrow, he along with thousands of other small time farmers in Texas had flocked to the city's after the crash, and it got even worse after a particularly bad Boll. Weevil infestation haired with about of cotton root, rot swept through east, Texas and in there's gong toe and prairie worm Myron you don't want to see how why these prairie were they? Thin Boll weevils are legitimate concern. They sound cute. They are not. What are they locus pretty? They're like they're kind of locust that will completely destroy a cotton crop if it really, if the infestation gets real bad, we'll, this should to named him something. So musical the fly the flying Boll weevils just sounds like a really fun old country, western band, that has a lot of what do you call those things jugs Anjos and banjos? I technically there was a song about Boll weevils written by the presidency, the United States of America. Yeah. The cutest alternative band of the nineties. Really? 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The devils back porch, I would go there. We're actually a croissant Torri so them won't any sort of other top of bread. We don't have it. We just have crunchy sweet bread that you can eat with Chile and that's it. This is a country Chile. Croissant Tariq, also I can't hear the word sweetbreads anymore after you all tricked me into into eating lamb testicles in Oklahoma, City, you loved it. Actual sweet. I thought it was sweet bread bread. That was sweet not let you know what it was. You loved it. In west Dallas, amidst the open, sewers, dirt streets, and innumerable tents was where CLYDE barrow arrived with his family at the age of twelve and the barrows didn't even have it tent. They slept under their wagon every night. His fucking brutal sounding just the way they live. Their lives is a way that I would I would die. They think it's like if I drove my prese to go live in park, but then I just slept under my Prius night. It'd be dangerous dangerous and as far as food went the only thing they ever had to eat when the Salvation Army arrived with baloney on stale, bread, which the locals colorfully called west Dallas round state funding name really does fix a lot of things. It really does west Ellas round steak. Sounds like a Superfund sexual position or a great sandwich. Does sound like Eaton ass? You'll round steak as far as what Henry barrow did for money. He was a jump man every day. He'd hitches horseshoes wagon and leave his family sitting in the dirt while he crossed the trinity river and scoured, the nicer neighborhoods for scrap metal but little by little Henry gathered enough junk to build his family, a tiny little shack in west Dallas. And eventually, the barrows, who are one of the few families in the camp to have an actual roof over their heads. Good. So this guy was good. He was doing some good parenting. He I don't know if the term working your ass off, like literally had a meal, and he's mule was his car that he'd go, and he take a pick a scrap metal go. Do that for thirteen hours a day, he would come back to his family, he'd give them the beans that he could find he then would then spend the next two five hours building the house where they would live out of the stuff that technically he should be. Selling so naturally in a place. So devastatingly poor some of the citizens in west Dallas, turn to crime to survive for one buck barrow thrived in the environment as they were a hell of a lot of chickens to steal Dallas. Robber. What a gold. Plenty. Clyde thought buck was about the coolest motherfucker in the world. See, CLYDE was never what you'd call a big man by fifteen CLYDE was the biggest he'd ever be five foot five about one hundred twenty five pounds nearly. Really? That's like a big thing dog food with a hat on. By the time CLYDE was sixteen. He dropped out of school, but that wasn't too big of a deal because only about forty percent of students in America at the time went past eighth grade, and really it wouldn't have made a goddamn, but a difference in clydes life if he had gone all the way through school, see in America back, then, but in Dallas, especially the station, which you born was almost guaranteed to be where you died interesting. Now, admittedly, it's not that much different today. But in the twenties, if you were born poor, you are guaranteed to stay poor and CLYDE barrow was so poor, that not even the fathers of west Dallas, aka the bog would allow their daughters today them. Yeah. Did it was it is very, very interesting to see that without the means to change. I mean he he was fucked. They were all fucked anybody in west Allis was just an essentially, they were told this is the way it is. And you're gonna like it, we're going to give you whatever. Cooking spare ass hard jobs that you can have unless you have a skill because family, like his hairdresser, sisters. They had a profitable skill and they leaned into it, and they'd go and they realize all this, this is what we're going to do profitable because of the retail area. But if you come from station, you're literally sharecropper, son, that is now a junk man, son. There is very little room. You wiggle your way in a proper society and humble plug here, Ebeling top at we talk about some recent legislation where make it more difficult once again, for low income people to move upwards upward mobility has always been talked about, but never achieved in this country. No. And it is getting worse by the day. And as far as clydes dreams went he spent all the free time he had gone into downtown Dallas to window shop for fine suits. Nice guitars, and all the things he'd buy and do if only he had a little bit of money. He's like Wayne from Wayne's world. Clyde barrow was actually an accomplished. Qatar player the saxophonist zag like he was actually really good musician. Okay. Cool. The he there was a second, where he was certain to live music. It was like, we might have seen a CLYDE barrow as a folk singer instead of as a Bank, the for Bank robber, but it just interesting. Yeah. And CLYDE did work. I mean his first job was the Brown cracker and candy. He's all sound. Disgusting acts men view with their farmhands Jimmy Brown craft. Brown crack second give me about two hours. I can give me a Brown. Just did Brown. Cracker with my cousin about forty five minutes. All right. Well, they're Brown cracker and candy company, barrow worked for a dollar a day, which even today's money that's a dollar, seventy five and hour. So they just hate him to take dump on a conveyor belt over and over and over again. This. He said, there was no room whatsoever for advancement the way Gwynne puts it people from Dallas owned and ran the factories while people from west Dallas work the factories. And they were expected to work the factories for ever, and they were expected to be grateful for the opportunity, right? And unlike the cities on the east coast, Dallas had nothing even close to labor unions, so people like CLYDE were working at least sixty hours a week, the most CLYDE ever made was thirty cents an hour working for Procter and gamble, which in today's cash is still just four dollars. You make more than that in a maximum security prison. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, technically it's the same amount of money that a bartender at a local Irish tavern would make think about that about that. Honestly. That's what they make when they wait staff, they, they get tickets tips. Yeah. They get tips. But is that a guaranteed flow of income? That's an interesting little economic argument, we could have because a lot of people don't believe in tips or believe its merit base. When will why should it be merit base, if it's thing that then is expected of you to in order to make a living wage? I'm not gonna side bubble off into this conversation statistics. So you make more money getting tips than if you're gonna minimum wage, they want the tips, given the money, well, after Proctor and gamble, CLYDE worked for the United glass company, then he tried enlisting in the navy. This he really did make every effort, at least when he was younger to go straight. He's five five one twenty or something perfect for the navy now. He's now. Honestly, dad got in that is literally how my dad got in because he was tiny enough to go into the summer. Exactly. You're just gonna fit there weren't submarines back then. I mean, CLYDE try he he enlisted heave and got the letters US in tattooed on his arm and -ticipant. He's like, I'm going all in on this. But ultimately, he was deemed too sickly to serve his father used to suffer from thing. I believe they just called the. Shivers. I think it was like epilepsy where he'd be like fucked and CLYDE, got a little touch of the shivers, which is bad when you're auditioning for the navy audition for the navy. Yeah, you can call audition shirt. I tell you what I do. Billy regret the SNL tattoo, I got going. That wasn't clydes last ill. Conceived tattoo either later that same year. He got the letters e b w tattooed right under US. N I was the initials of his girlfriend at the time Eleanor be William that's going to lead to an argument down the road with whoever definitely marry when that went sour CLYDE, moved on and pretty soon and got a spot, right? Under e w and then finally. Grace came in at number four. Is he a fucking make out tree Harvey the initials of everyone that he's kissed? What is happening strangely? Clyde, never got Bonny's name tattooed anywhere on his body. Really? I guess he's learned a lesson would hope so Bonnie, got something special you now, see, even that special lady. Yummy yum, on number one in this whole criminal organization show, you right here. I little tight. But at any rate, CLYDE, was starting to realize that he was never going to get the nice clothes. Fast cars were places like Brown. Cracker now for people like, CLYDE, the only real way to supplement your income was through crime for the women of west Dallas. The most common crime was sex work for men. The crime of choice was theft in CLYDE, started off by stealing what else you wanna guess, been? Television. Toasters. There was one television in one toaster in the country at the time they were both in the Rockefellers how yet still. Okay, one last thing. Honestly, what would he steal? What would you steal? A core engines, can't gins chick. Chickens, chickens best bedding for your buck when you get to petty crime because see look at it this way, either sell the chicken or you got a chicken dinner, if you said, hey chicken, it'd be really upset. Okay. Great. Pretty soon, though. Clyde got picked up for chicken theft, but was let go because there wasn't enough room to hold every west. Alice kid busted for stealing a chicken because why would literally steal in alarm clock your literal? You're stealing the thing that has made to wake people up in the morning. It's hard. It was hard livid man. And it was hard to find a way in buddy. I will say, I think that it's one of my favorite historical things I even read about this book about how Texas at the time had so little room in jails that they just pardoned people they would do to get him out of the jail down. You're fine. Out of here. Interesting CLYDE was free for about three weeks. But then the cops picked him up again this time, CLYDE, and his brother. Buck had upped their poultry game by stealing a whole truckload of Turkey's before thanksgiving. No easier crime. There's not a noise year that exists. Entire truck. Agean at some point understand there being stolen so Sam because all the kosher truck house air out, say. No. I, I didn't see any of them, sir. I don't know what you're talking about. Sir. That's our daughter. She's. They were caught almost immediate. I would think so. But buck took all the blame like a good. Big brother, and CLYDE was set free. But the problem was CLYDE now been picked up twice and almost as many weeks for that which earned him a permanent spot on the Dallas police department shitless. So then on anytime there was a theft, CLYDE was on the list for investigation as a suspect when the cops didn't have any leads, which meant that cops could detain CLYDE at anytime for quote unquote suspicion. And most of the time this happened, while CLYDE was at work, and as a result, CLYDE, kept losing jobs, because the cops come pick them up, right say are taking downtown on suspicion. They take him downtown. They would question him and then they just fucking leave him. What the hell did. They do. Do they put him into a lineup and just have a bunch of turkeys, stared him and be like? I'm sorry, Mr. CLYDE, it looks like the turkeys have finger, this time you can always tell who's guilty about win the Turkey screen. But this is a very this is even common nowadays of them when I heard that suffer in impoverished neighborhoods, especially if you have any sort of record constant harassment by the police. Yes. Kansin keeping up of basically checking in on you. And you know, it's really hard to keep job when a police officer takes you off your shift. Absolutely. Lot of similarities with current day, America. Yeah. I mean a lot of the stuff that we're talking about here is did not go away. It's the exact same way. Now as it was then. Absolutely. And also, I mean hell this country's also rapidly sliding towards a place where people bonding CLYDE could be born again. Oh my. Well as a result of police harassment, CLYDE, kept losing jobs and eventually he began to give up on us work altogether. But luckily, for him that was a new much more profitable fence on the market than chickens. Okay cars. Yes. Something worse feeling thank God. See around nineteen twelve starting systems in cars began to switch from the big noisy, cranks. You have to use to start your model TS model as to electric starting systems, do because of this hot wiring, became extremely, easy, and extremely common because you can open up the engine panel right next to the driver's door hot wire at hop in and your fucking gone in five seconds. Pretty hot. Also people just leave their keys in their car. Also, it was very you know, people didn't truly understand that it would just take something that you out. And then we're going to see the, the actual advancement in technology is going to allow CLYDE barrow at Bonnie Parker to evade the police for two years. Okay. And CLYDE barrow was a natural. In fact, one could say at stealing cars and hauling ass were about the only two things. Clyde barrow was truly good at. It's fucking killer. If you read about it into book to this is this is where I. I, I was like very excited to read it. I don't know if he invented drifting, it would talk about how CLYDE could do a turn on, you can do nine degree turn, and there was like he could drive motherfucker. I believe it. I'm sure it's easy to drift touring all the ladies just making the making the road. Nice. And I don't want to say that never mind, I want to it doesn't matter. I was talking about how Bush would squirt. It was too dirty. Probably kept in anyway. So the whole doesn't matter. Yeah. Okay. Clyde would steal a car in Dallas. Take it to Oklahoma and sell it for about a hundred bucks, which is about fifteen hundred dollars adjusted for today. Eventually, CLYDE started hanging out with the seedier boys, his age specifically kid named Frank Klaus, who ironically was from Dallas proper. Oh, clause was what you call a second story man, which is just a weird, nineteen twenties way of naming a burglar who entered above the ground floor. I'm what you call basement man. Try to find money in your butt. Anyways. Go to jail for being a pedophile. Okay. But with this story man at his side, CLYDE, started escalating and Justice clydes appetite for crime hidden upswing. The stock market crashed and the great depression, began on October twenty ninth nineteen twenty nine at its absolute worst. But those you don't know the history, the great depression, put a full quarter of the United States population out of work, twenty four point five percent of people in the United States, did not have a job. But although this was hitting those who already had money hard in the gut Henry barrow was doing fucking great. Anybody in the bay? He didn't have a guardian big shoes again. Stop fuck with why. I'm going to turn all of my cash into precious. Gems carry around big bag or. To my wrist. There's nothing I wanna see more than wizard Henry's browse. It's literally, you are. We actually had a chance to interview, Dan ackroyd onside stories, which is going to be out next week speaking with Dan Aykroyd was speaking, Henry and the future. And it really was like, breaking my rain to be like, wow. I know what my friendship is gonna look like in thirty years with Henry, my life can work out. Just a couple of months before black Tuesday. Henry barrow actually had a little bit of luck a car spun out of control and killed his meal, this look, well after threatened a lawsuit the owner of the car gave Henry six hundred dollars, which Henry us to buy a model t which exponentially, increased his junk gathering ability. Oh, he sat right? There is the American dream. Get a settlement under the table from an accident. And then you could get even more junk to sell to slum lords. This is like first of all, his, his pops Henry is like Chris Farley in fucking dirty work with heaven knows. Also, like the dude for, for office space. In the car, make all of his dreams come true being almost parallel to jump to conclusions. But while Henry was making an honest living buck and CLYDE were breaking the law all over North Texas. And it was about to catch up to nine nineteen twenty nine about a month after the stock market crash. The two brothers were joy, riding in a stolen Ford with their buddy said, deciding to take it a little further the three of them broke into a house and got away with a bit of jewelry and a little bit of cash, then they figured they'd round out the night. Nice late by break in new a place called motor Marghera JR. Out in Denton to see if they crack the saf-, the saf-, though, proved on crackle. So they held it out to their stolen forward to see if they crack it at home. But at the moment that these three idiots were putting an entire safe into the trunk of their car a patrol cop came by and gave chase. But as town, you cloud, the next time we do, we gotta steal the entire building. That's how we know. And then best par police catch us. We go inside town. We live there. Was he with Israel Keyes think? Clyde jumped in the driver's seat of the Ford took off. But took a turn to fast and crashed the car three of them, then took off on foot, as the didn't police open fire CLYDE and Sydney got away. But buck got shot through both of his leg. Oh, and was arrested. Suck because you know what? How many times this happened because it's like me and Jackie or from scene of a crime. Jackie. Oh. And then she gets shot in both legs, right. If she like. Oh, no. But as brother and sister, you have to have brothers in crime have to have an understanding. We can give a tip of the hat, also soon. I'll cut you out of jail award. And then you leave a separation policy where they knew that you can't stick around and help somebody else. The only way you can do is come back around and save them later on, which is very important criminal skill. So you're Nell Aji involves, you leaving your sister to be arrested. In nearly died at the hands of the place, but a comeback around you come back around break out of jail, but for trying to be sexy lady, and I'll I will I will have sex with the jailer for a little while off to convince him. It's real. I mean if my but doesn't turn them away immediately, then means he would have had sex, anyway wouldn't have needed put the dress on. But I distract great, great great. Tragedy. Here's just a few weeks before the arrest. Buck had met and fallen in love with his future wife blanche, they'd fallen so hard that they already have pet names for each other. Buck called blanche baby and blanche called buck daddy, daddy. Danny absolutely needed a little like so this is the first tumbler romance. Daddy, and baby. Daddy, fucks baby. I don't eat loves daddy. I'm pretty sure that happened to a lead singer of band. Incarcerated. I remember but now, daddy was facing a four year prison sentence for robbery, and as far as how much was in the safe, the boys had risked their lives and freedom for little more than thirty bucks. Oh my God. What are these the colonel's secret recipe? Cue me. And Henry hope that this close call would put CLYDE back on the straight, narrow for a while. It kinda he was still committing crimes, but he'd also started hanging out with his old, west Alice friends who are seen as better influence. Okay. Yeah. I don't do crime. Yoyo man. Play yoyo upside of businesses until they pay me to stop. But it was wild CLYDE was hanging out with one of those friends that according to Jeff Guinn on January fifth, nineteen thirty CLYDE barrow went to a house party at one zero five Herbert street and met Bonnie Parker. This. Anyway, they see each other. It's just it is really magical moment in history that if you could freeze imagining going to this party because the way he kinda sets it up as it was very much. So, like, CLYDE was really fucked up. He didn't know what the hell do is life. His all of his buddies were, like, come on. So we figure a way out of this brothers in jail already one through run through a string of women, and then he just walks his party, and he sees Bonnie and fuckin-, that's it. The seas parted and they met in the middle floating to each other, perhaps. Yeah. And that's that's one version of how they met there. There are a few different versions of how they met. But that's the one we're gonna go with that. I like that. What it's cute. Hey guys, you know, we do a lot of internet research for these shows, and I gotta say, alien websites, you need to step it up. Neon green text on a black background auto playing music links to nowhere. And you're still using papyrus as a fault. 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Cement city was a kind of sister city to the bog, that was west Dallas. While the people of west Dallas just choked on mud people in cement city, at least had jobs while they choked on dirt, and mud. And what does it Brinkman city over two bucks that he put the spent on the bog, and then you can have it whole city? Nice little ravine with the ball. No, I'm sorry to named it. And it was in cement city, the Emma Parker got a job as a factory seamstress, but that didn't stop her from raising her kids to think that they were in fact better than everyone in Dallas. Although she never really told them why they were better. Well, I actually think it's kind of refreshing and it was really nice Emma Parker was constantly telling them being like you're better than any your circumstances. And that's kind of the, the concept of what supposed to be good about fucking America is idea. You're supposed to be able to go out there and make something of yourself never mind. The crushing class war that you are losing, you can still, you can make your way through to navigate you gotta be a navigator, and sometimes you just don't make you gotta get lucky to. I mean she did go a little bit far. I mean it was it was she was more like you are superior to these other people people in west. Dallas, your superior to the people that are above you. You're better than everyone else. You are special. You have your own little decimating to fulfil, right? And you can do pretty much tell her, you can do whatever the fuck you on, never mind, the consequences. She's like, what mama June did with, with what's on booboo booze going to space? Look at that. That's incredible. To that rocket here. They're gonna dog. They did in Russia with the tested. Yeah. They're going to test new private space shuttles with Honey. Boo. Boo. And they're gonna rise so they could watch the whole thing, and then put tubes in her so they could see our blood react space. Man, I believed you for one second. Really feeling gullible right now as far as Bonnie is a little girl went. She was to say the least a precocious child who wants shocked a crowd of churchgoers by singing this song that I'm about to play. The song is apparently what passed as a comedy, tune in nineteen fourteen. Home. On the level on the level funny, clown. He's been he's a devil in his own hometown by Billy Murray, I honestly would listen to that today. I don't think we needed to make any music after nineteen forty it's great. Are you going to do that, as your, your mother son dance at your wedding? Bonnie. Also, like do you have a song picked out for your mother son? Dance yet. No not yet. Okay. It's not going to be got only knows I'll tell you that. You're talking about it in her life show. And we can't wait to see everyone in Australia. It's right. We're yeah. We're going to be in Australia, very quick. Remember we're going to be there a week after nex Sydney. Perth Adelaide, Melbourne, all kinds of places. Has been the last guest on the left dot com to get tickets and we'll see all they're all right? The did you get the plug manager Ken. Bonnie also liked to set fires because she said the colors where pretty I'm in love with her. There are so many of us I want listeners like, honestly, you've already ruin your life, for a person like this. Yeah. A little drew Barrymore like in fire starters, a little creepy, perhaps, she also had a filthy mouth from young age, which she picked up from her. They said she never got rid of it. Bonnie had the filthiest mouth and town school, but bunny was never punished for anything just because she was so damn cute. Oh, that's how you get away with, with, like, Wendy when you go and she'll take food off the plate. And you're like, oh any mad at you. Food for the father. But. What can you do puff and drew blood on me yesterday? Bit my hand. What can you do? Vote him to sleep knowing Henry. Joke about it. That's horrible. Bonnie got newer, grandfather's Weinstock and drank until she passed out gotten a fist fights with both boys and girls and general, Deb. Whatever the hell she wanted to from the time she woke up until the time she went to sleep. Wow. But perhaps Bonnie's biggest influence was the picture shows from the time she was old enough to go Bonnie dreamed of a glamorous life one where she'd sing on Broadway, she'd act in Hollywood movies and publish books after book of poetry. Oh, cool. But body was never going to get out of cement city. God should have made it less sinnett. See my sim sim in deep down. She knew it, you know, she knew she wasn't going to. I mean she was smart. I guess I mean she like one spelling bees. There were like Jeff Guinn put there were no fucking talent scouts and cement city and Bonnie was never gonna make to New York or LA while she'd actually get noticed. Oh, because she'd need collateral money to go and invest in to yourself as a business, and that's what's kind of he, she was saying with the being like if maybe, maybe if she had made it to New York or LA, she might have gotten front of somebody, simply just because we're drive, but it was very difficult. I would assume the only talent agent had the first black couch. City. Yeah. Look at us level. Got deep seats and the best part about it is like put my new motor camera, right? Across from it. Well by fifteen Bonnie had married, a petty thief named ROY Thornton, and got a tattoo inside her. Right. Fi with two hearts connected by arrows labeled Bonnie and ROY, this is another combined over her and CLYDE. Yeah. And they probably did probably probably definitely laughed about it. It's kind of like that. Kelsey grammer chastity tattoo that he got to cheating on his wife. I really wanna get one that just the top like right near the top by balls that, she says, are you, my mommy? What is wrong with you today? Naturally Bonnie's marriage to ROY Thornton was a total bust within a year. Roy was disappearing for days at a time and was refusing to tell Bonnie, where he was going all the Bonnie heard, or rumor that he was shacking up with REBA Griffin over in west Dallas boots have your but in our bed. But whatever that word is. Hey. Band ever gotten that sentence. Right. Has any REBA ever gotten a man? Honestly, I don't think so. Visually, ROY just vanished altogether. And Bonnie was left to fend for herself. She got a job. Waitressing Hargraves cafe in Dallas making about forty five bucks a week, plus tips in today's money. It's Jeff Gwynn's sump Shen, that Bonnie might have been moonlighting as a sex worker from time to time, because she was always dressed, much better than our work afforded, and Bonnie was also infertile, which made her a prime candidate for sex work. Okay. Good for her money, but it could be that the clothes were either bought by potential suitors or were simply stolen when you read some bonds later poetry, specifically, a poem called the prostitutes convention, Bonnie had quite a wealth of knowledge concerning the Dallas streetwalker seen. Okay. But we'll see couple of there's a couple of things in there that I would put other little contingencies on. Is that sex work, quote unquote sex work as there's a lot of grey areas where you could just be given gifts. By a dude. You are dating like that is a good thing, if whether or not you call that sex work or dating. I don't know. And also, she liked to put on the facade of these things like to learn the lingo, and the talk of these key had a traction general election, just like CLYDE did to a criminal life immediately to seed your side, because it was exciting. Yeah. Until you make it though. And she could have picked up all that knowledge lingo, from regulars that are waitressing job because even though she could be a bit of a pain in the ass at times, Bonnie was extremely well, liked and people opened up to are, like, even when people were kidnapped by Bonnie and CLYDE later on, like, when they let them go, they'd be like Bonnie's a peach. Amazing. But either way, it's always very strange when you when the person's been kidnapped call me. No national Marie. Well, yeah, it was D as they did. That he did that he kidnap somebody, the dude. Call the blazers. I think phony, it's ridiculous. That scene in the Bonnie, CLYDE movie when they kidnap gene, wilder and his girlfriend, like which, you know, that's June Walter's very first role. I did not know. Yeah, but it was kind like that wasn't that much of an exaggeration. Like some people had a fucking great time when they got kidnapped by Bonnie, and CLYDE, that's other tad. And absolutely fucking awful time. It was not all sunshine lollipops out that, of course. But either way, when Bonnie and CLYDE met at that house party in nineteen thirty it said that the attraction was immediate and mutual. See clouds big thing was control, in Bonnie liked a man who acted like he was in charge just like all the men in the picture shows dead. What is it with people of a certain height? If I only had someone to ask me a really good friend, ask about the control when it comes to people of different sizes, because the best part of tall people can't see what you're doing. And so they don't really know you live your life in a innocent cloud walking above, while people like me have to do little MAC nations to make sure the bigs are safe taking care of. Thank you, very nice. Furthermore, even though everything CLYDE had was stolen or bought with stolen goods. Funny was still impressed by the nice clothes, and the fancy car CLYDE to take into the party and CLYDE like that. Bonnie was cute and clingy. Because although Bonnie and CLYDE attracted miss could I think you could describe them as plain whites like yeah. This is before makeup in ever. They're not ugly. They're they're playing. They're playing white Bonnie was obsessed with makeup. She would always would do or self up to the nines, even as we go. We'll was we cover later when they were on the run. They were always, like clean clothes very like hair done makeup done. She was very much about shoes about appearances because it was fun again. It was anything that took them out of the day to day, reality. We're dealing with anything to elevate themselves. Okay. But so Bonnie was cute enough that having a girl like that constantly grabbing his arm boosted, CLYDE, self-confident, absolutely. Yeah. And it didn't hurt. The Bonnie was not. Quite Fifi tall. Which complemented the five foot five CLYDE quite nicely. Perfect. See he'd feel stronger dated to five foot ten woman. I it's, it's strength show strength and think that CLYDE needs to have anymore feeling stronger. But the one thing that bonding CLYDE, shared that bound them together permanently was their dog a determination to reject the life that they both been born into. They were gonna get out, and they were going to get out together. That's my God. No, I'm just thinking about Tracy Chapman fast. But just a month after they met CLYDE was arrested at Bonnie's house for attempted robbery, the cops tracked him down, and it was attempted robbery among about seven or eight other charges. The cops had yet and investigating CLYDE, and just like tacking them on and talk. And I'm talking, and he was guilty. He'd done all this shit. Yeah. No a retail Kentucky's, again, we're talking cars. We're talking cars. Yeah. And he did it in multiple counties, and he did it in multiple states and they decided to just come for him. And he was meeting them. Parker day. He he went to go because Bonnie liked him so much that she wanted to meet mom. And so she brought him over and they're hanging out in his a slack. I'll tell you what. mrS palko. I'm going to go girl. It's gonna be absolutely wonderful fantastic. And but she was like, why are you in a suit, you obviously can't afford this shit. You have like a shiny brand-new car that you cannot afford. I know for a fact and then the cop show up that's a rough as a rough day. And Bonnie was absolutely. Devastated and wrote this in her journal after visiting CLYDE in jail, quote. I was so blue and mad discolor had to. Had to cry. I had neighbor began stream down my face. Then I stop on the mall street. I laid my head down on steering wheel and Shaul did boo men now that would all be summed up in a mean. There were so much. People were had to be more ticket back. Then do you think? Sure. Did boo is articulate. I do. I think there's something very artistic about sure. Did boo understand? She was crying very hard. And like. When you say an antiquated like old timey way, it is cute. But if she went all full dude boot who? No. It's, it's simple. Simple was not as a woman the complex. I'd imagine. She had a very nice Texas accent. I'm sure just I laid my head down on the steering wheel and sure dead boo. Who's ship? Clyde beat the first rap in Denton, but was immediately hauled off to Waco to face seven other charges ranging from car-theft possession stolen goods all while using pseudonyms like Elvin Williams. Elden Williams, Jack HALE, and ROY Bailey. Ooh, fake names, ROY, Bailey's at great fake name rate thing name. And so for these crimes, CLYDE was given seven concurrent two-year terms on March fifth nineteen thirty and earned a spot on the infamous one way, wagon from Waco to Huntsville, state penitentiary that right? There is a micro episode that will do that guy. That ran the one way were the one way wagon that guy is such a. That's a fucking character. Yeah. I do. So technically, they gave him two years, though. Yeah, yeah. But just a few days later buck, who was still serving his four-year term had escaped from Huntsville while serving as a trust. St. in the prison kitchen. He ended another dude just jumped in a guard's car, when no one was looking and drove back to Dallas. I was hoping it would have. I was hoping it would have escaped in the mashed potatoes mashed potatoes, ever come out of this kitchen. Kind of. Sido. So you me nights. When buck showed back up at his parents house still wearing his prison overalls his father, just shook his head and said. That's on. What about bar? Let's get it done. That was kind of the barrow family's attitude towards all their kids, as like, well, that's just buck or like that's just CLYDE. That's just who they are. That's just can't do anything about it is just, you know, that's just him snitch on your own kids. These are, honestly the best parents, we've covered so far. Right. Well, what is Henry barrow? He I think he put it really quickly, like a workman ain't got Tom to sit his kids, that they talked about, is that they destroyed up like they were essentially equals the ten the work and they were essentially employees of the farm, and then the rest of them Wednesday, go make money someplace else and try to bring whatever they could back. Right. Meanwhile, CLYDE barrow was planning and scape of his own. See, CLYDE, had no intention of going to Huntsville by reputation and design Huntsville was plainly put hell on earth. So before the wagon came to carb away, CLYDE cooked up a plan with Bonnie. Now even though the two of them had only been dating a Ma. Month when clog got arrested Bonnie had still been visiting CLYDE, almost daily in both Denton and Waco. So one day while Bonnie was making a regular visit CLYDE whispered, the details of his plan. See the whole thing had been cooked up with a fellow prisoner named William Turner, Turner was in the cell next to clydes and Turner had hidden a revolver in his parents house in east Waco. They would've loved. No. They would've loved it. One extra gun stir the soup with it. I'm really happy. Didn't see the extra the plan was, hey, why don't you Bonnie open your vagina try to? Listen, listen. I gotta go away for a long time. Okay. Now, listen. Oh, I just got to do one thing for me. I need you to show me that. But. See. So I can't remember now it. We get. Oh, love is real, CLYDE, and Turner figured the only way to get that revolver, ended the jail was to have Bonnie, smuggle it in a so CLYDE, drew, Bonnie a map of where in the house. The gun was hidden and Astra to go get it. And come back that same day, see this had to be split-second decision for Bonnie, the wagon Huntsville could come at any moment and once CLYDE was on that wagon. Bonnie couldn't do anything to help the plan was for CLYDE and Turner to use the gun to escape then CLYDE with lay low for a while, and eventually, come back for Bonnie and really Bonnie could have turned them down. Yeah, absolutely. Oh, yeah. Yeah. She could headed back to cement city got herself a job, founder, self another man and lived a normal if somewhat boring life. Yeah. That's not a great alternative. Going into vendor. Really just got the invitation to criminal lifestyle like this. Is it one in Bonnie and thinking about how much trusted Bonnie just in this moment of time? I mean he's stupid. He also was just like he right people right time scissor in decathlon. And it's it's awesome. It's like Willie Wonka and the chocolate factory with a golden ticket and the chocolate chocolate bar. But in this case, it's a gun inside of an Easter bunny or something. I don't know works. Bonnie accepted because this type of action was exactly what Bonnie of been craving with a daring rescue attempt like this Bonnie would be on par with the women. She saw each week at the picture show. And what better way to show her loyalty to her man than a help him bus out of prison? Interesting, I always think about the time that I was I was working at Hollywood video. And I was sitting there just polishing polishing the videos really do. I forgot. We even what my job was. It wasn't a lot of job. But the entire the seventy Sixers came in with basketball team. The Philadelphia seventy six seventy Sixers. They were in town playing their land magic, and they came in. And they said, we love the way your polishing them video tapes in TIs. Mature. Really? And they said wanna come with us to help shine these basketballs. And I said, no, I think about that all the time about how what my life would have been like I just went with them shining them balls. Right again, just an extension of the idea that took place at the end of dumb and dumber. Sashi boys for the white tropic girls. Is this an extension of your decision to turn down the opportunity to play a blues brother at Universal Studios, Florida, that is a real opportunity that I did say no to and it did end up better in the end because I would just be in Orlando. Probably right now, I would probably be I would be one of those, what is it? The despicable me. With it. Fruit of universe. Get knocked over. Like just see you when you're little no should've gone to. So, mommy. Mommy, why does that minion smell like whiskey? Close depressed. What was that? So bunny. Agreed it took a while to find the gun but she eventually managed it. The only problem was how she was going to get it back into the jail purse to obvious. They're going to check the purse and the gun was, too big for her boot because member, she's five tall, right? Over getting to something here. No, no, no, small. She couldn't put it in their posts. For boat. It's going to be too big for her vagina. What? The gun. My god. Title to go up the gum. Good continue on. So Bonnie decided the best course of action was to buckle an extra belt under her dress to hold the gun. Yes. She'd never been through a full body search on any of her previous visits and bomb. She came in and they fucking loved her. Yeah. She charmed the entire staff. She charmed officers. They were letting her go back to the they were giving her extra visiting hours. She was using the private bathroom. Okay. Bonnie was absolutely correct. In her assumption. She went through security, again with a smile on buckle begun from her belt, as soon as she and CLYDE were alone and handed it to her. Bo. Oh, love is in the air yet, is, it's real. So Bonnie was waiting for word from CLYDE back at her cousin's house. He William Turner, and a third prisoner named Ameri Abernathy put the plan into place. Why is there's always a third guy who jumps on president's case? There's always escapes. It starts with the two guys of planning. And there's always some guy that was it's just always like. Sucked Cup stick. I didn't know he was undercover. And I also don't know why he let me suck. It's dead. For the ruse. They chosen the old sick prisoner routine. Oh, that's great. Classic routine Turner called out to the guard. A man named Hughes, Jones and told him he was nauseous needed a little milk to settle his stomach. Oh, yeah. Nothing like nineteen thirties, milk. All nothing like Holmen Golo milk, make you feel better. And since getting milk was easier than mopping-up vomit. Hughes, went and got the milk. Okay. But when Hughes opened the cell door to hand turn the milk Abernathy pulled out the gun and ordered the guard into the cell, so you guys aren't going to be drinking. The mill. Right. Joke's on you fill. Look, look, look, look, I'm lactose. Oh, clean up the vomit anyway, within minutes, the three prisoners were out on the streets of Waco. The briefly exchanged gunfire with the guard while they were running down the street, but pretty soon, CLYDE, had hot wired a car, smartly. They abandoned the first car for a better one just a little bit outside of town. This is fucking g to hey before even existed, the funny thing is that, like a lot of these shootouts, you remember that scene in trailer park boys were the shooting at each other and one of them accidentally gets hold on a second. I'm we gotta stop. That's what all these feel life because CLYDE was always shooting over their heads and the other guys are shooting over his head. They're not there. It's like a game. It's total fucking chaos. That is that it's a part of kind of the energy of this whole story is it ever the shows that shoot outs what we see in the movies. I mean all the not are these kind of organized things. These very haphazard just people shooting them in the general direction each other, there's people running around, like literally citizens in the middle of the fight. It's, it's so much. I don't know. I love the thought subtlety it's something about the idea that like it's not too factions getting align, and getting cover and firing on each other. It's a whole tornado of activity. And if you wanna watch a live shooting feel free to turn on any television news channel on any random Friday and there's a good chance. They'll be covering it right there for you truly park boys, by the way, shoutout Instagram has reunited, my love reinvigorated my love for them. If anyone knows the trailer park points have them reach out to us. We love to talk about. Yeah. We'd love to love. Who's really got time to go to the post office? Honestly. It's such a hassle braving traffic parking lugging, all your mail packages around, who is got time. That's why you need stamps dot com. 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The second car that CLYDE, and his two companions, stole wasn't reported stolen until the next morning, which gave the escapees a twelve hour headstart, they switched cars and lamb passes Gulf, weight, and brownwood as they headed west never stopping for a moment. As far as Bonnie went, she didn't hear anything about the boys until she read a headline in the Waco times herald, a few days later that said trio leaves trail of stolen cars. Oh, dude. That's fucking awesome. And there was much editorializing to be done in said article. Oh, yeah. It read quote schoolboy barrel, when on my avenue, A R lodge this morning. But they'll be back. They haven't the brains to stay free. It's the dumble them that brings them back. Dumble. Dumbbell. Better. I'm calling people dumbbells. Actually better. Well, thankfully, though, there was no mention of Bonnie whatsoever. The cops hadn't even thought that maybe it was Bonnie that smuggled into gun to the boys, even though that was the only logical explanation, but just to be safe, Bonnie hitchhiked back to Dallas instead of taking the bus or train lest the laws, as they all call the cops be on the lookout for clydes new accomplice, eventually, CLYDE did get a telegram to Bonnie about five days after the breakout, the boys made it as far as southwest Ohio, but since the boys were after all, just boys their first attempt at crime on the outside resulted in their arrest, the ad hot gang broke into a dry cleaners and a railroad depot own the same night and took in about sixty bucks and got away with it that night, but they'd been pretty conspicuous in casing the depot earlier that day. So the agent had written down their plate number. So y'all got money. I'm just asking to ask it, ask it. Can I ask another more specific question? Where is the money? And how much is it are you planning on coming back here later and robbing up here this railroad store? No. Such when the boys drove past the same railway depot on their way out of town the next day. The cops who were there investigating the burglary immediately recognized the car and gave chase an after pursuit that involved more than a few gunshots, and two separate car chases. All three men were arrested the subsequent report and the Waco times herald read baby thugs captured. It. So cute. Because if they are baby thugs, that's like super funny mobile, what's the Bibo world Bubba Bubba world bobby's way base. Tell baby. Well, the accompanying editorial made sure to gloat about how the writers previous estimation of the criminals as baby dumbbells was proved accurate and then thing was Bonnie was paying attention to what those newspaper men were saying is bunnies, not perfect. See Bonnie thought that after the prisoner escape she'd be living a glamorous life on the run right beside her gangster boyfriend. But that's also kind of that's kind of the line that CLYDE solar. Yeah. It's been like it's going to be you'll. Maybe we're all hit the streets. We're gonna go out. They're never going to know them. A call on the call for you. Oh, one-step as Jeff Guinn puts it Bonnie was the humiliated, girlfriend of a bumbling, baby. Dumbbell. Well, if she had gone on the road with CLYDE, maybe she would have felt different, but she got none of the thrill that she expected because members she's just off. She was going to be she thought she was going to be dating db Cooper. But instead, she's dating. Kato. Kaylin. Yeah. I mean, after she after she got him the gun. She went back to her cousin's house in just sat there for days, upon days upon days, and then had to hitchhike back to Dallas from Waco, which in nineteen thirty was not a fun trip. No, that's never good when a young girl is sitting there like the old woman from the notebook just trying to relive past that she doesn't have or remember, well, such the romance of Bonnie and CLYDE, hit a cooling period, while CLYDE finally got his trip on the one way wagon to the Huntsville, state prison, work camp, aka Eastham, or as it was known to the prisoners the bloody ham. All these the all sound like potential Barnum's. Love the bloody ham. I so this is will reenter the period of time that we visited a little bit when we covered pans ram Carl pans ram where the prison system of America in the early nineteen hundreds was fucking, brutal, very, very intense, and didn't exactly rehabilitate people see the thing is about the Texas penal system at that time was that parts of it were not meant to rehabilitate in any way whatsoever. The point of prison Texas was to make it so fucking awful that not only would nobody want to return, but the people who spent time in that prison, would spread the word about how awful it was. Once they got out, right, right, instead, though, like it always is the prison system, just ended up producing broken desperate, men who would rather die than spend another minute imprison, and much of that had to do with the policies of the general manager of the Huntsville prison system. Lee simmons. That was, of course boys, you're going to be a five o'clock in the morning and you're gonna get to the oldies, if you're not. You'll be sweating to the oldies all day, long said of Richard Simmons, it's a man that looks like Richard Simmons, but he's covered swats tattoos and just like lifted his knees and being them knees. For white power, niece white power Simmons was particularly fond of a punishment called the bat. Oh, which was nothing more than a greased leather strap between eighteen inches and three feet long by three to five inches wide. This device would be used to whip the bare backs butts and thighs of prisoners, but it wouldn't be the guards who held the prisoners down that job was left to their fellow inmates who would hold them down spreadeagled on the ground while all the other inmates were made to stand in a circle and watch. Well, this is this is our shutout to our listeners over at king dot com. This is not this is not a shameful thing, if you choose this, this and thank you for the subscription, by the way. Absolutely. Com. Wonderful up on the up and up, and everyone is safe, and everyone is having fun and that's wonderful. Yeah. But if the guards at eastern, we're feeling especially sadistic, they would pour sand into the gaping. Lacerations left by the leather. Ooh. And although the limit was supposed to be twenty lashes guards never really bothered to keep count. They kind of kept going until they wanted to stop then once the prisoner finally passed out, usually after pissing and shitting himself, the rest of the prisoners were made the lineup and closely. Inspect the bat itself, sometimes it said the other prisoners or made to actually lick it. What? I don't want to do a hand. Daring me. How about we pin you down, and we use it on over here? And that's the sort of place. Clyde barrow was walking into little more than twenty years old. Whoa old. He is a country. It, it rose. Five foot five hundred and twenty five pounds. He's walking into the worst place for a pig me to exist. Thing is, though, things didn't have to be as bad as all that for CLYDE, most first time, offenders were kept inside the main prison unit known as the walls. It was still awful. But at the very least you could maybe learn a trade like you might learn how to take care of a horse cool, but repeat offenders or wildly violent prisoners were sent to eastern. Cotton farm, thirty five miles northeast of Huntsville proper where men were made to work ten hour days, seven days a week with half an hour off on Saturdays for a bath. Oh my goodness. All right. Well again, still happens today. Yeah, yeah. And for reasons, still unknown to this day that was where five foot five hundred twenty five pound CLYDE barrow was sent to Eastham. We don't know why no one knows why he was sent there. He shouldn't have been central. We were shooting at all. The cops wasn't that well known key. That's the thing he was just in the paper because that is what some people maybe think that's why he was saying, but. Kleiber was not that well known down in Huntsville. Nobody would have known the funky was, and he was still a first time offender, and he was a fucking tiny little slip of a man, he was, and he wasn't like a tiny little slip. That was wildly dangerous, like peewee Gaskins like he was just a kid, he'd stolen a couple of cars. Okay. All right. Yeah, it sounds like it was just a bad streak. A look at seems that he just kinda got randomly put into that pile. Sure, sure. Yeah. So, CLYDE, barrow took his ride on the one way wagon chained by the neck to every other inmate on their way to Huntsville and arrived on April twenty first nineteen thirty the one slightly bright spot. Was that CLYDE made a friend along the way? A mouse. I hope it's a little mouse. He made friends with nineteen year old Ralph Foltz. It's full of mine. I get. It is. Yeah. We'll Ralph was sitting across the way from CLYDE. And when the two of them got to talk, and they found that a lot in common. Are you getting like a big circular cut from the chain around? Yeah. Yeah. Me too. This is. It's just amazing to random people to meet somebody similarities. But Foltz had just escaped from Huntsville and guards didn't take too kindly to returning escapees upon. His arrival volt was made quote ride the barrel. Oh, this punishment involves straddling pickle barrel. While handcuffed notice doesn't sound too hard. When you only got to do it for few minutes, few seconds, but Foltz was made to do it for an entire day and an entire night. And every time he'd fall hard to the ground the guards at scoop and backup put him back on the barrel for more. It's a tiny because it's not like a huge barrel. It's another of a barrel, that your toes can stabilize you on top of it. So the rim of the barrel digs its way into your inner thighs into the point. You're so numb from the ways down that you, you don't wanna be unknown. Because once you finally get the feeling back. It's just pure torture. Right. It's like when you sit on the toilet for a little too long legs, go, numb you gonna stay there longer just to avoid all the pain. Exactly. Yeah. Now you're living on the toilet. But the guards were nothing compared to the monster that was BB Mons. Ingo. Fucking blazing saddles. Zingo BB, Mons ING, that's not a good name that you would make up making fun of people who make up date. Yes. Yes, Munns, Ingo had actually been fired from Huntsville prison once before for unnecessary cruelty towards prisoners. She must be fired from Huntsville for being unnecessarily cruel. Yes, you have to be Nazi. But when Simmons, you know, the guy who loved the bat when Simmons became manager, he hired Monson Ingo back and put him in charge of eastern and gave him free rein to be as cruel as he liked because nobody went to east. Nobody was watching Eastham those people could be treated. However, badly the prison decided they needed to be treated. So basically share of Joe Arpaio found his Darth Vader Joe. Our POWs fucking nothing compared to these guys. I'm not gonna tell our Pyo that because we don't need him to try to compete to be worse. Well, undermines Ingo east him came to be known as little Alcatraz. Oh, yeah. It's like when Kevin Spacey was put in charge of a new upstate New York chapter of the YMCA just call it now. They know BoyZone, right? Absolutely. And CLYDE showed up Munns, Ingo picked an inmate at random, and smash them in the face. With a stick Justice show dominance, just pick do bone. All right, boys. This is how it's going to be gone without that. And the longest. Could've done with. Lick I don't really want. Okay, you on a us cute your funny. Hey guys, memes BB? I'm so excited to be with y'all. It's going to be summer. Who wants to dick chopped off? Voices, so fun. But then he's so mean yeah it's funny how it works like that. In the longer that CLYDE and Foltz spent work in those ten hour days swinging axes in during almost daily beatings from the guards, the more, they vowed to return one day, raid, the farm and set everyone free. That was what Henry was talking about earlier with pans ram. Yeah. Right. Like that's where well. Everyone that is except for Ed Crowder, Crowder was a lifer and a building tender and had over six feet tall and two hundred pounds appear muscle Crowder stood above the rest in both size and in his capacity for violence. Now a building tender that means they would the way, the also sewer would do cruel mind games that they would choose some more of the violent members also guys that have no chance of getting out to become little commandants prison guards, so they would be inmates that would have little, they would have a position of floor in over the other inmates and be given weapons and more food and more time off from their work detail at all. They had to do was keep people in line. Okay. See since Crowder was a building tender and kept the mates in line, the guards didn't really care what he did when he was in the door dorm when he was in the dormitory at night. And Crowder was a rapist. And it wasn't long after CLYDE, barrow arrived at Eastham that Ed Crowder began raping him almost every single night in full view of the other inmates. This to CLYDE, CLYDE. Oh, yeah. And this is also the story of pants ram. We've seen this before people that he was deeply deeply affected by this. And we would know the secret Wellington nineties, when blanche we'll get into the, the basically diary, the diary of several members of the, the actual gang the set of barrow gang they revealed like 'cause CLYDE didn't want anybody to know that this happened him the fact that we're talking about this is like the ultimate punishment for him because he, he didn't want anybody to know and this would end up. You know, we'll get into interesting. So is did he really turn here as a person? Oh yeah because it went on for an entire year. Oh, yeah. And the guards couldn't have cared less and most of the other inmates. Either didn't care or. Happen to them. Didn't have the power to stop it. And we're happy that it wasn't happening to them. Oh, god. But after about a year CLYDE decided he couldn't take it anymore. So he teamed up with another building tender named Aubrey scaly, who had almost as much of a grudge against Crowder, as CLYDE had scaly was another lifer. And he promised Clive that if CLYDE were to murder Crowder, scaly would take the heat. So on October twenty ninth nineteen thirty one CLYDE hit a lead pipe and his pants during work detail, and snuck it into the dorm that night, CLYDE walked into the bathroom by himself, where he knew Crowder would follow. He tr- literally do the thing where he was, like, good to go take a shower, make sure Walsh. Real good. Like, like, literally, like, in full view of everybody, like dropped a towel like it was Scarlett Johansson in under the skin. Oh my gosh. We entices him into the bathroom and them when Crowder walk through the door, CLYDE swung. The pipe down and crushed Crowder skull killing him almost instantly, we just celebrate one murder on the show. I'm. This is clydes one good murder, right? Scaly than let from the shadows with shift and filled Crowder's corpse, a whole they need then scaly gave himself a cut on the rids just to make it look good in the official report, despite Crowder having a big fucking hole in his head official reports that the Crowder had just lost a knife fight. I guess that makes it I don't know. Okay. And with that CLYDE barrow had gained a little bit of freedom. But it had come at the cost of a murder Leo. Ralph Foltz would say that at this point key watched CLYDE change from a schoolboy to a rattlesnake right before his eyes back home though. Other barrows doing pretty good. Right. Well, Henry barrow would collected enough junk over the years to buy, two lots along eagle Ford road in west Alice, and it was there that the barrows built a service station with two gas pumps and an outhouse in the back which clause younger sister used to brag was to holder? That's a. It's a love seat. What he brought to you and your buddy counting your shits together? That's one that's Blunk to prolong. I five wins. Okay. No. But even though clydes older brother buck was out of prison. He was still technically on the run blanche had married him in July of nineteen thirty one but she was never quite cut out for the kind of life that buck was leading now blanche wasn't quite as bad as the shrieking, panicking, Betty, that she was portrayed as in the Bonnie and CLYDE movie and blanche was quite pissed off, when she saw that movie really the thing was the reason why she was most pissed off because she was portrayed as kind of dour and a little plane when in reality blanche was actually prettier than Bonnie. Come on actually think actually looked more like Faye Dunaway than Bonnie. Come on. I think blanche was hotter than Bonnie. And it's interesting to say that she was mad because the what you'll see is that when she's eventually caught the picture of her, which eventually caught she looks like a frigate movie star. Yeah. It's a crazy picture. Yeah. It's an insane picture. But the thing was is that blanche no matter what she didn't like the life. She didn't like the life on the run. Right. Eventually, though, she and bucks, mother convinced buck to turn himself in apparently this just wasn't done. 'cause officials were so happy that book turned himself in that they just send them right back to the walls and Huntsville, they didn't even send him to eastern. And they didn't even give any further time on a sentence. Welcome back. Thanks for coming back saved us the trouble. So you're telling me sir, you are here to turn yourself in. I have put myself on the return line receipt. Yet. Jail kale. Thank you jail. So now both barrow boys were incarcerated at Huntsville. But clydes world was a far cry from bucks. Clyde was still an Eastham which, as I mentioned earlier was known as the bloody ham of the reason why it was named as such was not for the punishment, meted out, nor was it for the violence between the inmates. The reason why they named it the bloody ham was because inmates would regularly cut off fingers toes, sometimes even hand in feet in an attempt to escape the backbreaking labor. That's how bad and they shoot. And they took it as like a punishment. That was suitable like it was so matter-of-fact that dude's would cut their fingers off in their fucking appendages off to not work on far. There'd be like, all right. Like you show up at lost my whole hand to a field. Gator. They would just straight up. All right. And then the basically just kick you back to the walls. Yeah, it was like an admission fee if you cut off a pinkie. They're all right. You don't gotta be up until eleven AM. That's not to pick. We don't gotta be out of the place until new here. Go your jailer now. Row Foltz later said that in one particularly bad week. He and CLYDE saw over fourteen instances of self, mutilation news and after over a year of backbreaking work, CLYDE decided he'd had enough as well. Now, we're not sure who actually swung the axe. But on January twenty seventh nineteen thirty to someone cut off clydes entire left big toe and part of the toad next to it. You need those. Yeah. Yes. And CLYDE was officially off work duty. But the thing was he didn't really need to do that. Judah. Yeah. See Texas did and still does have a pretty bad crime problem. It's always been kind of a lawless place. But after the depression hit things only got worse and as a result, Texas prisons were wildly overcrowded so to alleviate some of the pressure because you know, private prisons were not yet the norm as they are now. They didn't just send them all the private prisons. The governor on a pretty regular basis took requests from mothers who wanted to see their sons pardoned. Oh and just six days after CLYDE, topped off his toes. Yeah. Oven or Ross. Sterling issued a pardon to cue me. Barrow son, and CLYDE walked out of Huntsville on a pair of old crutches in gained a limp that you would have until the day died will then he hobbled out of hunt sell. The took him a very long time to learn because what's weird is I've always, I'm like, really big toe eagle. Big. Actually, a big toes like an important part thing that really does keep you balanced totally matters. You know what the big toe is? It's the thumb of the feet. Interesting. One thing, the CLYDE said over and over again, as soon as he got out was that he would sooner die than ever. Go back to prison. Really? Clyde did try to go straight when he got out at least for a little while as dream was to open an auto parts and repair store in the lot next to his family service station, but you gotta have capital for that to, and honestly, he was apparently very skilled at fixing cars. Yeah. Him in all of his brothers were very, very skilled at this, which will become a very helpful later on their criminal career so CLYDE tried getting outside work make enough capital. Open auto parts store, but he had two things going against him, really. By this time three things. First of all cops weren't leaving him alone. Just like before every time cli- got a job, cops come in Harlem in on suspicion and Clive. We get fired for missing work is then, again, there weren't that many jobs to be had the depression had made its way to Texas and the dust storms emanating from the great western. Dust bowl were suffocating large parts of the country and black blizzards would invalid Dallas on a regular basis. This is the kind of shit that, that really sets the scene for what this whole part of the world was like the couldn't breathe, like you'd be the dos would literally fill the air, so you couldn't breathe, and they said, essentially, it was a they created an ecological crisis by over grazing. All of these grass fields. It's overgrazing over tilling. Okay. Yeah. How how how this happened was the great depression hit, and crop prices plummeted. And so in order to keep their land the pharmacy what you're supposed to supposed to farm, and then you let your in, then you let the land rest and then you farm the land risk. But because these farmers were trying to keep their money they had to keep farming the same land over and over again and things about the grass out there is at that prairie grass was holding. All the earth together. And so when they kept farming kept tilling, the fields and kept telling the fields that just created dirt that created dust and then part of the country is very windy. So all that dirt all that dust. I mean millions of years of grass that have been held together suddenly that is blowing all across the country in cloud. So big that you can actually see them coming from miles away, and they are black two. Full of dirt and the wind's blown so hard, and it's blowing the dust so hard that it actually cuts, your skin fills monks, people suffocate, right? Dirt pneumonia, their lungs, fill up until they cannot breathe anymore, and that was where CLYDE barrow was. That's where body Parker was. That's where everybody in the southwest was at this time also shot to ICP and their new album, dirt pneumonia. They're back. I love. I love it. I mean it could do a good thing. Get your paint get your car painted nice and clean with with a sand wash. That's not so bad. But no, it is never good when you're driving through town, and you're like hunter S Thompson following the derby race in the desert just covered with fuckin- sand, but you're not a reporter years, trying to go to well, yeah, these storms were so bad people were having breathing problems in New York City magin with the people actually in it went through. Oh, and if you out there are interested more about the dust bowl read the worst hard time by Timothy Egan. It's one of my favorite nonfiction books. I love reading about dust. That you loved us. I love it. But the thing was CLYDE, could've just left Dallas. He could've just left Texas, any even attempted at once by going up to Massachusetts. But he said he'd damn near died alone. Leanness on returned after only a couple of weeks. And yes, it was terribly unfair and stupid and counterintuitive to a functioning society, the cops wouldn't Malone, but CLYDE could have just gone new different town how he could have just gone a Fort Worth Fort Worth thirty five miles away, and he still wouldn't have been that far away from his family who could come and visit him whenever he wanted. It's pride Marcus about hits about fucking like making it where you were born resent, that's, that's his problem is that he was suffering these dumb ideas of you should be connected to the place where you are randomly born. No, I understand. That's four worth is a great place to be. That's why a leash keys saying that song, you know, Fort Worth where all the dreams are made. Jay z keys from one of the more popular projects of fort one. Yeah. I remember rap scene instead of doing that, though. Cli- decided if the cops are gonna Brandon criminal, then a criminal was all he was going to be that decision was made final when Ralph Foltz was released from Huntsville, August nineteen thirty one see all that talk about free and prisoners from the bloody ham was turned out to be more than just idle chatter CLYDE and Foltz were a hundred percent set on actually pulling it off. I like this honestly man. These people are being treated, or ably, at least they want to go back and try to save some lives so upon release Foltz did a practice run a sorts in January of nineteen thirty two he smuggled a bunch of hacksaw blades in the spines of a few magazines and helped bust, his friend, Raymond, Hamilton out of jail once Hamilton was out he and Foltz met up with CLYDE in west Alice, and the first of many barrow gangs was bored. All right. It's not. All right. It's not. All right. It's very bad. Because this you know. Disparate overdo it Ono. See about to start fucking dying. Hers. I've learned are not cool day are not cool. Now I know Marcus booking in this episode of public shaming. Shaming massacres. But what about Bonnie? That's not what about bar. What is wrong? I'm done CLYDE was in jail things between him and Bonnie, as I said, kind of cooled off by the time of clydes first thanksgiving, an Eastham the letters slow to trickle and Bonnie had started seeing other men, but when CLYDE was released from Eastham the first place. He went was Bonnie's house where she was hanging out with her new boyfriend, but she embraced, CLYDE immediately as just a week, had passed and the new boyfriend slunk out the back, you know why. Because once you go short, you don't abort. Thank you Ross Perot. When the time came for the new barrow gang to go out on the road. Bonnie was his game as she could possibly be ready for anything and everything. And over the next two years thirteen people would die as a result. And that's where we'll pick back up for Bonnie and CLYDE, part to what a ride man. This is going to be a great series. Oh, yeah. Get round is foggy mountain breakdown this next episode because it's going to get fast again, I don't know what foggy foggy mountain breakdown mean, you, you have listened to it drunkenly at my house, many times over song again. I thought we were talking about something discussed. No. Dude, this is a part of America. This is a streak that has always been inside of America, this idea of the I mean, I don't know what it is. Something about the outlaw that we all still worship. We are all still really into into when people we like, when they are when they're naughty, because a part of it is that we all feel we're kind of stuck in these little societal prison. Absolutely were supposed to follow the rules and you pay your taxes, do the shit. And then somewhere along the lines. You see somebody like technically living this sort of this dream is idea of being lawless and being disconnected from the mores role force to follow. But you don't realize that there's a reality attached to it is very bleak. And the nice thing about living vicariously through characters like Bonnie and CLYDE is at the end of it. You don't die. Jessica be like, oh I'm going to go back into the bushes now as well. Awesome. Well, that is really interesting. I had no idea. About the I mean CLYDE really had a hit a rough go of it. Here, obviously again, what they did was horrible but very cool. All right. Well, what do we have to do here? We have to say come to see us in Australia. We are going to be in Perth. I and we got some tickets available in Perth. We're gonna couple of tickets what was the other spot? There. Henry Sidney said, big on Sydney. Honestly, it's so funny. It's our it is the biggest city I guess, it's the biggest city in Australia. 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Bonnie & Clyde Pt. 2

Crimes of Passion

1:06:48 hr | 1 year ago

Bonnie & Clyde Pt. 2

"Due to the graphic nature of this, couple's crimes listener discretion is advised. This episode includes discussions of domestic violence and murder that some people may find offensive. We advise extreme caution for listeners under thirteen. Logo beliefs took inventory of the items found at thirty three forty seven and a half thirty fourth street suitcases packed with upscale clothing rings earrings. Other expensive jewelry. Scribbled poetry on random scraps of paper a marriage proposal a vehicle title. A tar a shotgun. A pistol four rifles and Browning automatic rifle, a modern incredibly deadly piece of machinery to dead bodies, one at the scene, one at the hospital, both officers of the law, the uncovered the identities of four of the occupants buck, and blanche, CLYDE, and Bonnie. But the last piece of evidence was the most important the cameras cameras with undeveloped rolls of film, when they were developed policeman looked upon them with. Aw. They revealed the occupants of the house messing around, like friends smiling, and joking with carefree abandon, but it was a singular subject that captured the imagination of the country. A young woman small fashionable confident she held a shotgun and a pistol she chewed on a cigar and struck masculine erotic poses. Her name was Bonnie Parker. And when they published the photos, she became an American legend. Hi, I'm Lena Hobbs. And this is crimes of passion. Apar- cast, original in the legal definition, a crime of passion is a violent crime that occurs in the throes of extreme emotion leaving no time to reflect on the consequences. But in this show, we explore passionate crimes. How does marriage progress from husband and wife to killer and victim, or killer and co-conspirator if there's a thin line between love and hate what manipulates our relationships into deadly results? This is our final episode on the notorious criminal duo, Bonnie, and CLYDE, who cultivated a relationship that was so passionate and dangerous. A captured the heart of the entire country at par cast. We are grateful for you. Our listeners you'll allow us to do what we love. Let us know how we're doing reach out on Facebook and Instagram at podcast and Twitter at parkas. Nah. At work. And if you enjoy today's episode the best way to help is to leave a five star review wherever you're listening, it really does help us. We also know have merchandise head depar- cast dot com slash merch. For more information. And may just be in retrospect, but CLYDE, barrow and Bonnie Parker we're both intimately familiar with fate. They were well aware of the powerful arm of the law, that running from it was a fruitless exercise bound end only and their demise, and yet they still chose to run, perhaps they were running from fate, perhaps they were running to it. Either way they were painfully aware that the world that was handed to them was not one. They could live in. They were too bright and exuberant for it. They would not could not let their luminescence be drowned within the Monday tyranny of their poverty. It could be for this reason. Why in early nineteen thirty two Bonnie chose to fully follow CLYDE into his life of crime. When CLYDE, muff prison and February nineteen thirty two he made a vow to Bonnie to her mother to his family that he would give his best shot to the street life. Unfortunately, this pitted him against a crushing social climate, especially considering his criminal record in west Dallas, CLYDE, had cultivated a reputation as a thief, and an easy target for police whenever they had a petty crime on their hands. Client found it near impossible to hold onto a job anytime he found a new one Dallas police would be around to harass him this caused any would be employers to cut off ties before anything. Got overly complex job. Openings were scarce enough, as it was the full force of the great depression, had crushed the American economy and businesses with ample employment. Opportunities were few and far between certainly. Not enough to entertain the idea of taking on an ex convict that was regularly harassed or arrested during work hours. Clyde sister. Nell tried to circumvent the constant badgering by finding him a construction job in Massachusetts. The idea was to get the trouble twenty two year old away from the natural judgment of his hometown when he saved up enough, he could return home to open the auto repair shop. He often talked about alas the kid from the southwest was never meant to last in the cold and harsh conditions of the northeast. He quickly felt besieged by loneliness and returned home in early March of nineteen thirty two Bonnie delighted in having him home. But resented, the treatment he'd received in trying to make an honest living the two of them truly felt hopeless in the face of playing by the rules. Yes. Bonnie had a job, but still had to live with her mother. Yes. Clyde brought much of the scrutiny upon himself by breaking the law in the first place, but he only did. It. So, because the tarantula nature of factory work assured that he would be working long desperate hours for decades just to afford the right to feed himself. Psychologists have long studied the state of emotional wellbeing in regards to long-term unemployment and poverty. A two thousand fifteen Brazilian study found that people suffering from poverty, and extreme poverty exhibited exaggerated traits of fatalism, and pessimism, this type of fatalism, and Bonnie and CLYDE, manifested in the sense that they believed they would never find adequate employment as such. They looked outside of the workforce to find ways to control their own lives. They wanted desperately to escape the sense of fatalism and to bend the world around them. And if it meant their demise so be it as long as CLYDE never had to return to prison. For CLYDE, his time at eastern prison farm was something that would forever haunt him, both physically and mentally his limp costs from his missing. Big toe would constantly be a reminder of his desperate act of self mutilation, and the anger he cultivated from the physical and mental abuse. He endured never dissipated. In fact, it would only be exacerbated when in March of nineteen thirty two just a month after his parole, CLYDE received a visit from an old friend when Ralph oaths all the news of CLYDE barrows release in an article he immediately jumped on a train to west Dallas to reconnect with his fellow ex convict volts wanted to make sure CLYDE. Never forgot the atrocities of prison life. He subtly reminded the young barrow about their plan if they ever got out of eastern, they would find a way to enact revenge by wreaking havoc on the. Petition folded gotten to barrow at just the right time. The twenty two year old was feeling particularly dejected and hateful toward the institution, a reminder of how cruel eastern was only stirred this flame and furthered his drive to pursue his life of crime. But if they were going to stage, the mass prison break, they envisioned they needed the proper tools. Big fast cars, a large savvy crew criminals, guns, lots and lots of guns and a boatload of cash to pay for it all they started by recruiting Foltz friends from his prison, days, it took several unsuccessful attempts. But in March of nineteen thirty two the gang executed its first successful heist when they ripped off the First National Bank in Lawrence Kansas, according to Foltz it earned them about thirty three thousand dollars over five hundred thousand dollars today while this clearly seems like an exaggeration on volts part. It was still probably more money than client had ever seen in his life at one time. Unfortunately, the crew used a significant portion of it to purchase guns from pawnbroker guns at turned out to be defunct and ineffective leaving. The barrow gang and slightly more of a pinch than they prefer to be in then for reasons not entirely. Understood Bonnie got involved. On April seventeenth nineteen thirty two CLYDE asked her to do a sort of recon mission at eastern prison farm, or she would inform Aubrey scally of the plan to break him and other prisoners out Bonnie pretended to be Scalise. Cousin Duke, the guard and returned with good news. Skelly liked the plan. He was in this mission, fulfilled Bonnie's long glove of the stage and acting and her natural attraction to risk danger and adventure. She was hooked Bonnie may have been. What psychologists Marvin Zuckerman would call a sensation seeker or as we more colloquially, call it? An adrenaline junkie a sensation seeker constantly looks for unique experiences to stimulate adrenaline secretion without regard for social consequences. Lying and stealing our well-known behaviors that instigate this biological. Response sensation seekers are also more prone to drug and alcohol, abuse and Bonnie was a well documented drinker after her deception at the prison. Bonnie continued to look for these novel experiences. No longer would she be clydes girl alone. She was fully in on the schemes of the barrow gang. So the next day she accompanied CLYDE, and faults on a mission to Tyler Texas more. They plan to boost the cars they would use in the prison break. The mission was a success, CLYDE, Bonnie and Foltz commandeer, too, large state of the art vehicles a Buick and afford. However, rather than regroup and think about their next move the gang chose to improvise on the trip out to Tyler, CLYDE volts had noticed a poorly guarded hardware store in Kaufman stocked with guns. They figured if they hit the store, the trip could be especially worth mile. What they didn't account for was the night watchman who caught CLYDE playing with the Pat box in the middle of the night. He sounded the alarm and the hunt was on. The barrow gang had the advantage, CLYDE was an excellent driver, and their souped up new rides. More far superior to the vehicles of law enforcement what they didn't account for was the mud. Rainy conditions left the dirt roads of the country, virtually impassable and the heavy cars quickly, slowed to a stop adrenaline, course through Bonnie, as she exited the car and made her way through the rain. The thick slush of the road tugged at her feet as she ran and each step felt heavier she wasn't sure when she lost her shoes. But soon, she felt the mud sucking up through her toes. She saw the farmhouse in the distance with the rest of them. It's outline was blurred in the sheet of rain. She heard the knock the muffled voices saw the farmer point out to his pasture client told her they were going to have to ride this one out. She didn't understand what he meant until she was on the back of a mule arms wrapped around clydes waste. Unfortunately, the mules move slower in the storm than the group did on foot, and soon, they had to abandon them for a while, the three of them moved along. But then there were only two full tes had disappeared Bonnie wasn't sure when, but the echoing gunshots left, little room. Mhm for them to ponder where he went Bonnie, and CLYDE hunkered down in an irrigation. Ditch listening to the shouts of the search party. They heard more gunshots, but that could mean anything at first, CLYDE, was all doom and gloom, sputtering that this might be it for the duo in between battered brats. But then he calmed, a little and crouched in front of his lover. She felt rather miserable. But still smiled up at him. They could get one of us, but they wouldn't get both. He told her he was going to find a car he would come back for her. Then he was gone before she really understood what he had said she waited for hours, barefoot close. So through her body trembling with an uncontrollable shiver and still, there was a distant exhilaration coursing through her a desperate fulfillment, that made her feel light, and easy, even as she stood up and walked into the road, even as the town mob, slapped handcuffs on her and stuck her in the backseat of the car. Will explore the aftermath of Bonnie's arrest after this? Darkness tragedy pain. These things hide within every beloved institution. And most people are none the wiser every week. The park cast original, the dark side of pulls back the curtain to bring you the most salacious stories and disturbing details behind everything we hold most dear. You'll learn the dark side of Hollywood, where on the set of the wizard of Oz numerous accidents and actors to the hospital, and Judy Garland was beaten by director and Nazi sympathizer, Victor Fleming, the dark side of music, more Elvis, Presley was so obsessed with death that he brought France to a mortuary at three AM to look at corpses and the dark side of the bible, which contained stories of demonic giants, unicorns and child sacrifice. You've heard the good side. Now here, the dark side of search for and. -cribe to the dark side of on Spotify or wherever you listen to podcasts again, searched the dark side of or visit par cast dot com slash dark side to listen now. Now back to the story. On April nineteenth nineteen thirty two Bonnie Parker and Ralph Foltz were arrested after an attempted robbery at a hardware store in Kaufman, Texas. Both refused to identify their third accomplice, who was, of course CLYDE barrow Klein trying to uphold his promise of rescuing his lover and his partner over the next few days. He attempted various robberies to earn the supplies. He would need to break them out of prison. However, these were either botched called off or in one case involving the murder of an innocent citizen, CLYDE, wasn't the one to pull the trigger. In fact, he wasn't even in the room, but the wife of the deceased man, identified, CLYDE, as one of the three men present. He was now officially wanted for murder forced to lay low. Clyde, could only listen through the grapevine as Foltz was sentenced to ten years. In prison, and he could only pray as Bonnie was brought in front of the Kaufman grand jury on June seventeenth nineteen thirty two it had been two months since Bonny's arrest. She occupied her time by writing stories and poetry one in particular, Koster, mother, great dismay as a subject of the poem seemed awfully familiar. There, I fell for the line of a henchman a professional killer from CHAI. I couldn't help loving him madly for him. Even now I would die. One year. We were desperately happy are ill gotten gains we spent free. I was taught the ways of the underworld, Jack was just like a God to me. Though the story took on some rather large exaggerations. It's clear that she was relying her venture into the criminal world through love, Sal, the main character of the poem laments than after taking the wrath for her lover, Jack, he fails to break her out and she gets five to fifty years in prison. However, the real Bonnie Parker was not so unlucky in court. Bonnie alleged that she was kidnapped and forced to participate in the Kaufman robbery. It was a story. She had practiced with Foltz it worked. The grand jury ordered Bonnie to be released immediately. Her mother Emma rejoiced, believing that now was finally the time, Bonnie could break free from clydes, suffocating, influence, Emma's dreams were not to be when she was released. Bonnie went back to CLYDE straight away. She moved in with him and Raymond Hamilton. Another ex convict in Wichita falls, her desire to reunite so quickly with CLYDE was interesting for two reasons, I it's a litte fide that Bonnie had little to no interest in pursuing a career as a waitress or any other profession in which her middling income would leave her relatively trapped second Bonnie knew that, CLYDE, had no intention of ever going to prison again, after failing to retain an honest job. He made the choice to fully pursue a life of crime. That choice had a singular outcome. Clyde would die. He would do everything in his power to avoid capture. And if that meant going down with guns blazing so be it Bonnie was well, aware that CLYDE felt this way it was. The reason he left her in the irrigation ditch in Kaufman. He knew she could survive a stint in jail. He could not. So when Bonnie chose to go with CLYDE in nineteen thirty two she was choosing to die with him. This is how strong her love was for the well dressed charming year old she would break the law would defy and reject. Her mother would sacrifice her own life if only to live briefly with, CLYDE barrow the deal they made wasn't a deal with the devil. It was a deal with Aphrodite -i with her son EROs the one who shoots arrows through your heart. Accept these wouldn't be EROs. They would be forty five caliber bullets from automatic rifles. Client had already been testing out the limits of his newfound packed and his days before prison. Clyde, would always run when confronted with authority. Now he was overtaken with an instinct to fight a two thousand four study and behavioral. Neuroscience lent, by Menno crook. PHD found that stress hormones in rats and aggressive behavior work together in a positive feedback loop. That is when the stress hormone increased aggression increased and displaying aggressive behaviors increase the production of the stress hormone nothing stress CLYDE out so much as returning to prison, or he was overworked lived in squalid, conditions and was repeatedly abused and sexually assaulted the simple thought of returning. Into that environment was enough to cause, CLYDE to lash out so whenever confronted by police and thereby the possibility of arrest, CLYDE, began resulting to violence, this only served to snowball his aggressive tendencies. Whenever CLYDE found himself in a jam. So in the coming months of nineteen thirty two and nineteen thirty three CLYDE and the barrow gang were responsible for the deaths of several men on August fifth nineteen thirty two clients shot Eugene, more an under sheriff from string town, Oklahoma. And a firefight instigated by the illegal consumption of alcohol outside of a community dance on December twenty fifth nineteen thirty two client shot Doyle, Johnson and front of his family after he tried to stop CLYDE from stealing his car on January six nineteen thirty three CLYDE shot. Fort Worth deputy, Malcolm Davis with the shotgun at point blank range client began to build a reputation. He was well dressed and put together he carried his signature gun a Browning automatic rifle. He drove fancy cars and often had a particular beautiful young. Woman at his side. It became a trendy thing in Texas, Oklahoma and New Mexico to attribute a crime to CLYDE barrow and his gang. He was a mobile outlaw he could dry for hours on end without rest. So when simultaneous reports of robbery emerged in both Texas and Oklahoma. Of course, they were attributed to the ghost bandit of the southwest in reality most of these crimes, we're not clydes doing, but he did appreciate the mystique generated, he in Bonney started collecting the various news articles about him as veneers. The pair weren't just kids from the slums of Dallas anymore. They mattered. But life on the open road was not so jury clients publicity offered them. Little chance at secrecy. They often slept in the car, bathe in creeks and rivers the farmers for food tended to their wounds with makeshift medical supplies. They drink bootleg moonshine as a way to pass the time and to deal with the mosquitoes, and constant paranoia, but they had each other, and they were nomadic and free. The barrows crime spring went on the road like a traveling circus making appearances and Indiana. Ohio, Louisiana, New Mexico and a glaucoma, but they made it a point to be back in Texas when on March twenty second nineteen thirty three buck barrow was released from the Texas penitentiary Huntsville, he reunited with his estranged, wife blanche and sought to convince his brother, CLYDE to go clean after all. All it was buck who got him into the life of crime in the first place. Unfortunately, just the opposite happened, when Bonnie and CLYDE came to visit buck, they slowly worked at his innovations until buck and blanche agreed to take a vacation to jump in Missouri. So in early April the five man crew, including the two couples and a teenager named WD Jones rented a house at thirty three forty seven and a half thirty fourth street and went on what they dubbed a vacation. And for a time it was prohibition, had just been lifted on beer, and they drink and played cards keeping late hours blanche felt uncomfortable with clydes raucous lifestyle but she loved book, dearly, and trusted him to remain level headed when it came to his brother, unfortunately, none of them would have that chance Joplin was. Relatively well known for bootleggers during the prohibition era and the neighborhood took note of the strange occupants at thirty three forty seven and a half thirty fourth street. They were always up until the wee hours of the morning, making noise they often kept nice vehicles in their driveway. That's seemingly manifested out of nowhere. One night. Some would swear that a gunshot went off in the house. It was enough to warrant a small task force. They were used to dealing with alcohol dealers. A fine a light prison sentence than everyone wash their hands and went back to work on April thirteenth nineteen thirty three local policemen, Tom graph and Harry McGuinness led the raid with highway. Patrolman GB caller, and w e grammar along with county, constable west Harriman, they expected, a quick in an out job. They brought along their light pistols and case things got a little too rowdy. The five men law enforcement crew pulled up to the house, just as CLYDE barrow and WD Jones were shutting the garage west, Harry man leapt from the squad cars drew his gun and attempted to get inside the closing door. Clyde responded. With a blast from a shotgun. The shot struck Harry men in the neck. He fell to the ground in blood to death as chaos of -rupt it around him. Blanche barrow was in the kitchen when she heard what sounded like distant gunshots. She didn't think much of it until her husband. Buck came bounding the stairs. He shouted that the cops were there. It was time to leave immediately before she could stop him book took off back down the stairs toward the sound of the gunfire disoriented. Bonnie meter way to her room her purse, she needed her purse, her whole life was in there. She started down the hall. But then there was WD doubled over and clutching at an open bullet wound in his side. He nearly toppled over. But blanche was able to hold them up. The gunshots finally quit and blanche followed the sound. Of clydes beckoning shouts, supporting WD the hallway to the garage when she got to the scene of the carnage. She took brief note of the mingled bodies in the driveway, and then, moved to help CLYDE push the police car out of the way, blanche felt delirious, there was blood everywhere. The garage door was torn to shreds, WD was moaning about his death and to obliterated, police officers lay stock still impose of their own blood CLYDE shouted to get in the four to be eight blanche obeyed really, there was nothing for her to do, but OBI with client at the wheel, the V eight pulled into the street and took off down the road. Not a single shot was fired after them. Coming up the strange in jarring impact of the raid in Joplin. Now, the conclusion of the story. The rate of the barrow, gang and Joplin, Missouri left to officers of the law, dead county, constable west Harriman, and Joplin policeman, Harry mcginnis authorities were outraged, but it did not take them long to find who was responsible the purse blanche left behind contained her divorce papers from her previous marriage, and her marriage license to buck barrow from buck police and furred CLYDE, and from CLYDE, they inferred Bonnie, WD Jones was never officially identified even though he appeared in the most important piece of evidence found at the scene. Investigators found a camera and several rolls of film at the Joplin house when they were developed the revealed, the five members of the barrow gang mostly playing jokes and having fun the pictures that stood out the most. However. Featured Bonnie Parker and one photograph, she's holding up, CLYDE with the shotgun. While the pair share a smile in a second. The ostentatiously kissed as though in the movies, and then there is one, the features Bonnie with her leg lifted seductively on cars hood note that this type of posed was risque for the time period, with one hand Xi totes, handgun in her lips. Restless, gar, and on her face rest of scou-, despite these more masculine prompts. Bonnie still wears her clothes and style with grace. She is relatively clean for her lifestyle. Her fashion is intentional and realized and despite her stern expression. There is something jovial and carefree about what she is doing. She embodies, both the masculine and the feminine all at once blurring the lines of an income. Credibly divisive world. So it's no wonder that when the police released the series of photographs to the press in the hope of getting leads it didn't have the exact desired effect. The photo spread like wildfire and the legend of Bonnie and CLYDE was seemingly born overnight. The crime duo certainly weren't the first to make waves and headlines, they follow John Dillinger, pretty boy, Floyd, Ma Barker all renegades, all household, names, and even they were spiritual descendants of Jesse James wild Bill hickok, and the other infamous outlaws of the nineteenth century, the point is lost were not a new concept, there had even been women outlaws, but outlaws that were in love. That was something new. That was something that dipped further into the waters of the forbidden, causing a deliciously satisfying shiver to run down the spine of America. A two thousand seven study by several professors from the university of LeicesteR found that there was a link between celebrity worship and search for personal identity during Bonnie clydes time, most American citizens were swallowed by the beast of the great depression. While Franklin Roosevelt have recently been elected, and was beginning to stabilize the economy. It would still take years for this to be realized the dust bowl in the planes of the south, west cast a shadow over the agricultural community and sent shockwaves of illness throughout the territory workers were angry. And on strike poverty seemed shackling and never ending. And to the common man, there was little hope on the horizon, personal identity was completely foreign concept to the majority celebrities in films, were much more mythical creatures than they are today, distant and complete. Early unrelievable, but Bonnie and CLYDE were just like everyone else once lost in the impoverished masses they were able to take fate into their own hands to discover love and life in the tumultuous rubble of the great depression. They were the outlaw lovers the pair that said, no to fate and yes to their individuality, the country was desperate, and Bonnie and CLYDE, with their pictures, toting wide smiles, and guns and jokes were not. And so the common people of the depression era found in identity in rebels, like the outlaw duo, it allowed people for time to live in the fantasy that they too could reject the law never mind that the criminal duos day-to-day existence was most likely worse than the average citizen. Never mind that they were. Probably more focused on their own survival than anything else, they had chosen their life, and that was simply a luxury few could afford. For Bonnie and CLYDE while they relished in their fame. It became more of an obstacle than anything else. They needed to lay low pay attention to anyone who looked at them for too long. Be careful about saying their real names out loud. The release of the pictures, and subsequent explosion of Bonnie, and CLYDE fever in nineteen thirty three seems to Mark the beginning of the couple's tragic downfall. It all started in Wellington, Texas on June ten nineteen thirty three when CLYDE was driving fast as he always did except he was driving too fast to see a sign that warned the bridge ahead was under construction. The car blew through the barrier and plummeted toward the driver of her bed below. The vehicle rolled over several times. Fortunately, several local farmers witness the accident and rushed over to pry open the jammed doors. They were able to free WD Jones and CLYDE who both sustained injuries, but we're relatively okay, but there was still one person left almost jammed in the wreckage of the car when they finally did reach funny. They were met with a gruesome sight, scalding battery acid from the crushed engine had splashed onto Bonnie's leg, and it was eating away at her flesh and tissue. It had already made its way to her bone. The farmers were able to get Bonnie backed their house where they applied baking soda as a way to neutralize the acid Bonnie was allowed to rest for a time. But after CLYDE refused. Dr the farmers realized the group was trouble. And they contacted the police. After only a brief spot a time to heal their wounds. The gang was forced to hit the road again without appropriate treatment, Bonnie was never able to walk properly, again strangely this made her all the more like, CLYDE, who carried a limp ever since he chopped off his own big toe. Now, the couple that had shared ambitions adventure and taste for the arts. Also shared a defining limp. The next tragedy struck in late July of nineteen thirty three after a series of shootouts with law enforcement. Buck barrow was mortally wounded. He died on, July twenty ninth nineteen thirty three as a result of the same shootouts, blanche barrow was taken into custody and questioned about her time with the barrow, gang J Edgar Hoover, the head of the bureau of investigation, even visited her personally to try his hand at gleaning information as to the whereabouts of Bonnie and CLYDE, Hoover had taken on the problem of depression era gangsters, the same gangsters that populated newspaper headlines, daily Bonnie and CLYDE, fame and popularity made them, an obvious target for j Edgar Hoover's assault. Then October of nineteen thirty three Bonnie lost her niece and nephew to an unexplained illness. She was devastated. But when Emma Parker tried to make one final plea for Bonnie to leave, CLYDE. She was bluntly rejected. By the end of nineteen thirty three doom was written on the wall for the barrow gang. They were wanted in multiple states and were easily recognized Bonnie was crippled buck was dead. Blanche was in prison WD, and many of the other pass gang members were either arrested or in prison, Bonnie had experienced a great family tragedy. And Kumi barrow Clyde's mother was so certain of his imminent death that she had yet to get buck a gravestone when CLYDE soon she could save money by having one for both of them. But despite the mounting pressure, there was still one thing left to do in the dim. Moonlight of January thirteenth nineteen thirty four Bonnie and CLYDE stood leaning against their newest Ford V eight overlooking the fence perimeter of the east. Them prison. Farm client did not feel what he thought he would feel and fact he didn't feel much of anything. All. He could see was the faint shadows of untamed brush, waiting to be cleared and worked by the inmate work crews, then Jimmy Mullins, an ex convict himself and Floyd Hamilton older brother of Raymond Hamilton emerged from the thicket with a hurried gate. It's done. They told CLYDE Aubrey scally would have no trouble getting the guns on Monday, scally, the man who took the fall for the murder of at Crowder, was a veteran of Eastham, and therefore could afford certain luxuries, one of those luxuries was the freedom to move about the grounds defined the two Colt forty five Matic's Mullins, and Hamilton planted on the property. They would give the guns to two of the four men. They were intending to break out Henry. Then Joe Palmer and Raymond Hamilton were old friends of Barros Hilton Biggby was involved in the plan as a favor to row. Full tes. It was out of clydes hands. Now all he had to do was wait. On Tuesday January sixteenth, climb leaned against the car with the same carefree posture as before, but beneath the surface, he felt exhausted his muscles ached from several nights camped out in his vehicle he'd spent his days, constantly checking his rear view mirror for cars, Bonnie's, limp was so bad. He often had to carry her around, but he was here, and he would go through with this job almost as a duty more than a desire. He had made that packed with volts years ago. He would uphold it now, I dreamed code of honor, and in some way, he would instigate the prison break simply because he could he held a Browning automatic rifle with armor piercing bullets the gun had become familiar to him now, it's wait reassuring. Bonnie stayed in the car. Something she was growing used to with her Bom leg, CLYDE bluer, kiss, and made his way to a hidden creek near the fence line, where he crouched and listened when he heard the first shots he stood up purposely aiming over the heads of the inmates everyone prisoners and guards alike. Hit the ground to avoid the hail of bullets. Everyone except those privy to the plan. Henry, meth, Ben Hilton Biggby, Raymond Hamilton and Joe Palmer meet a break for the fence line. They followed the sound of Bonnie honking. The Ford V eight's horn jumped in and tore off down the dirt road after nearly three years client, had finally staged the prison escaped, he dreamt of, but it wasn't to last Hamilton Biggby and Palmer or caught quickly and reincarcerated method joined up with Bonnie and CLYDE, but would soon turn. Against as liberators. Though the success of the prison break did not last the victory was psychological. The Texas prison systems. General manager Lee Simmons was furious Simmons took the issue of Bonnie and CLYDE into his own hands. He called upon fame, Texas ranger Frank Hamer of Roop, Los and meticulous hunter who had killed dozens of criminals over the course of his career Hamer gave the order. I want you to put, CLYDE and Bonnie on the spot, and then shoot. Everyone in sight. It was never meant to be an investigation. It was an execution from the outset in some ways, Bonnie. And CLYDE knew the end was near but it seems they had both accepted. It Bonnie ended a poem she wrote around April of nineteen thirty four with the lines. They don't think they're too smart or desperate. They know that the law always win. Wins the been shot at before, but they do not ignore that death is a wages of sin some day, they'll go down together. They'll bury them side by side too few, it'll be grief to the law, a relief, but it's death for Bonnie and CLYDE. Frank Hamer was methodical, and tracking Bonnie and CLYDE. He found a pattern in their movements. They moved in a circle around the south west often driving, along state lines to avoid direct border-crossing which was subject to official scrutiny after only a few months, he pinpointed a series of several robberies that ended and bien Ville parish, Louisiana. The hometown of Henry methods, parents Hamer was able to reach out to method through the local sheriff who gave him a deal, a full pardon in exchange for Bonnie and CLYDE, so on may twenty third nineteen thirty four five heavily armed officers waited in the brush on highway one fifty four. They waited for the sounds of a car driving too fast. The sounds of car the could only be driven by CLYDE barrow when it came. Frank Hamer gave the signal. The five officers stood up and then loaded on the Ford V eight CLYDE was hit first, Bonnie screamed briefly, then silence. The saga of Bonnie and CLYDE ended with each of their corpses. Riddled with twenty five bullet holes by the time they passed the world was changing FDR's new deal was beginning to take affect healing the banking system. And those most harshly hit by the dust bowl prohibition was slowly being repealed, Hitler was chancellor, in Germany, and would soon become Fuhr, the American people would soon have an enemy much worse than their own government. They did not need outlaws anymore. The renegades who stood up to social injustice who stories gave relief to those suffering. So no one gave too much of a fuss when j Edgar Hoover's program slowly Radic aided the public enemy era. But the influence of Bonnie and CLYDE lingered, their story was almost a legend in its own time and became even more, so as years and decades past, they're familiar to all of us. And when we hear their names together it nights. Uncontrolled sensation a feeling of partnership of communication of the rebellious spirit. It's true that the lives of Bonnie and CLYDE were not as glamorous as pop culture, makes them out to be. But perhaps that is because the world has forgotten that at the heart of their story. Lie something we all understand something universal. There's was a quest for choice, a quest for survival. A quest for love. Thanks again for tuning into crimes of passion, we will be back Wednesday with a new episode. For more information on Bonnie and CLYDE, amongst the many sources we used we found go down together. The true untold story of Bonnie and CLYDE, by Jeff Quinn, extremely helpful to our research. You can find more episodes of crimes of passion as well as all a park has other shows on Spotify or your favorite podcast. Directory, several of you have asked how to help us, if you enjoy the show, the best way, the help is to leave a five star review. Don't forget to follow us on Facebook and Instagram at par cast and Twitter at par cast network. We'll see you next time when true love meat. True crime. Crimes of passion was created by max Cutler is a production of Cutler media in his part of the park as network. It is produced by Maxon Ron Cutler. With sound design by Kerry, Murphy production assistance by Ron Shapiro and Paul Moller. Additional production assistance by Maggie admire and Freddie Beckley, this episode of crimes of passion was written by drew Cole. I'm Laney Hobbs. And as I promised, here's a clip of the first episode of the dark side of it's about how Harvey and ITO Wilcox registered Hollywood with the Los Angeles County recorder's office in eighteen eighty seven in hopes of creating a Christian utopia. It's truly fascinating to listen to the full first episode subscribe to the dark side of on Spotify or wherever you listen to podcasts due to the graphic nature of this podcast listener discretion is advised this episode features discussions of drug use sexuality death, and other adult content. We advise extreme caution for listeners under thirteen. On the night of June twenty second nineteen sixty nine Mickey deans awoke in his London cottage to find the other side of the bed empty. He saw crack of light seeping out from under the bathroom door and knew his wife must be awake that minutes past, and she didn't emerge from the bathroom. He couldn't hear her shuffling around at all his heart quickened, he strode across the apartment to the bathroom he called her name. No answer his heart sank his throat began to close up as he slowly opened the door. He knew what he would find even before he saw her, she had collapsed on the floor. Her tiny frame, lying lifeless, on the tile, Maki called for an ambulance. He tried his best to wake her, but he knew it was in vain. His wife was gone. Sean. After battling a horrendous barbiturate addiction for years. She had overdosed in mere hours. Newspapers would herald, her passing each referencing the movie that had made her famous the same headline recycled again. And again, actress Judy Garland, forty seven dead. Judy Garland now somewhere over the rainbow. It seemed a fitting tribute the wizard of Oz had made Judy Garland famous, but it was also the film that ultimately took her life. Welcome to the dark side of apar- cast original a show where we will delve into the CD underbelly of pop culture, icons and historical events. We aim to expose the ugly truth behind cultural moments public figures, we hold most dear proving that there is always more to a story than meets the eye for the next eight weeks. We will dive into the dark side of Hollywood, though, it is now the entertainment capital of the world, Hollywood was born in dark ideals. It was founded as a utopian community. But the philosophy behind this paradise was altogether, flawed and racist. And when the film industry moved in they did so not because of the idyllic landscape, but because they were running from the law, such an origin, story laid the groundwork for a business vulnera-. Able to crime manipulation and corruption, what followed was a dark history that created the most beloved stories of the twentieth century today will look at the beginning of the story of Hollywood, how it was settled and became a peculiar place of interest for the burgeoning film industry. Then over the next eight episodes. We will continue this exploration, uncovering, some of the shadows that continue to linger in Hollywood's memory will visit the horrendous conditions on the set of the wizard of Oz. The controversial life of fatty arbuckle and the psychological toll taken on child actors. Eighteen eighty Los Angeles was a modest town of eleven thousand people newly reachable by rail eight miles to the north northwest, was a largely undeveloped ranching area full of fruit trees and wild coyotes surrounded by stunning canyon views. But the budding film industry had other plans and enterprising couple moved in setting up beautiful gritted streets and planting gardens that would soon rival Eden it self. They shared a dream of building a Christian utopia for wealthy Midwesterners away from the bustle of city life. There were to be stunning homes, plentiful churches and absolutely no alcohol or debauchery of any kind. But the budding film industry had other plans in just five years that small plot of rural paradise was transformed from an upscale elite society to the hot. Bed of the working class film, industry, and with, that change came sex scandals, elaborate drug rings, predatory cults, and cold blooded murders. This transformation, ultimately created the Hollywood of today. Now, it is more of a concept. Some would say an ideal than a place. It represents the movies fame and immortality through film. It is a distant dream something we experience every day, but always have a difficult time defining. But if you were to look upon the land that was to be Hollywood that idea would have been impossible to see in fact, the founders of the small plot of land in southern California had a much different premise about, it's ideal us. Harvey Wilcox was in his early fifties and looking for new beginnings with his twenty one year old wife. Diana Hartill, the recently wed pair was an excellent match in part due to their shared Christian, faith and staunch opposition to alcohol both were early and. Pardoned adopters of prohibitionist ideals Harvey was a real estate man and recognized his young wife's talents embracing her as a partner in his career as well as in his home beyond that they shared a vision of vision of a utopia. So many others in the nineteenth century, the couple looked west. In eighteen eighty three southern California had a unique combination of rugged nature and opportunity, Los Angeles, had a meagre population of eleven thousand and the Santa Fe railway would not reach the city for another two years. Meaning wealthy landowners, and aspiring farmers could tap into the untapped potential of the vast undeveloped. Fertile land for the Wilcox's. This could be the home of their perfect society. A place to build their dream when they first moved out, west, the Wilcox's purchased a home in the desirable. Figueroa district of Los Angeles. They had a son about a year later and all seem to be bliss. But then tragedy struck and perhaps change the course of cultural history. In eighteen eighty six the Wilcox's eighteen month old son. Harry died, it was a devastating turn for the couple who thought they had a bright future to look forward to grief-stricken. Harvey Dieta began to take long, carriage rides in the wild canyons north of downtown Los Angeles, led by Harvey stunning, white racehorses, Duke and Royal on their way to the canyons the couple pass through barely developed farmland dotted with patches of fig and apricot trees, the landscape was beautiful, and the Wilcox's were infatuated. It was a paradise, but an untamed one ripe for cultivation and development show like so many others that would come to this land in the future. They began to dream Harvey and a new it in their hearts. This was to be the home of their utopia. But their vision of an ideal society had a rigid. And sinister undertone Harvey indata were staunchly religious, and as such they envisioned a community that banned both alcohol and non white non Christian residents. This was actually part of a late nineteenth century trend, many fundamentalist Christians were breaking off from society to build commune's under their own particular brand of beliefs. These could be relatively mundane or more dramatic and cult-like in their origins. No place had the combination of natural aesthetic beauty and open space to attract these commune's as California. So on February first eighteen eighty seven she and Harvey purchased roughly one hundred twenty acres. Approximately eight miles north of downtown Los Angeles, virtually the middle of nowhere. Their goal was to turn the Parsa. Fell into a retirement destination for wealthy Christian Midwesterners wanting to try their hand at hobby farming and land speculation. Harvey a wealthy, upper class elitist plan to personally screen prospective buyers to keep out heathens non whites, and those not polished enough for their dream society because the Wilcox is owned the land. They owned a city completely separate from Los Angeles that they could control. However, they saw fit, but, like any up and coming community their land needed a name in August. It came today to by chance train ride. She was returning from seeing relatives in Ohio, when a wealthy passengers spoke of her own estate in Illinois named Hollywood data loved Holly trees and further loved that a member of society's upper crust had already given the name to her estate today. Ada, it evoked the dreamy exclusive luxury. There utopia was meant to embody data suggested it to Harvey and they officially submitted the name to the county. Recorder in August of eighteen eighty seven Harvey, drew up a map of their new community along with perfect gritted street delineations and individual land plots Hollywood was officially born. He indata pass the time by coming up with street, names, hoping this would also attract customers. Meanwhile, they employed cheap laborers to help clear, the dirt roads and plant handsome pepper trees on the edge of properties. These laborers were primarily Chinese and Mexican immigrants. The Wilcox's only wanted white families to own their property, but they had no problem employing the cheapest labor, they could get in order to build their dream. But just when things were going their way, the economy took a steep downturn. Los Angeles suffered a real estate crash in the late eighteen eighty s the bubble that had brought thousands out to California with dreams of going into real estate. Eventually left more realtors than land buyers. The bubble burst and buyers grew scares this was a terrible loss for the Wilcox's in eighteen eighty seven they were forced to sell their own. Downtown home and refund money to buyers who were forced to pull out at the last, second to their greater horror, the need to stay afloat financially force them to lower their strict requirements on new residents even admitting a few people who openly drank, they promised themselves. It would only be temporary, but this officially marked the beginning of Hollywood's downward spiral into a town of excess the couple tried to offset their bad luck by encouraging residents to hire top notch architects and plant beautiful Eden like gardens around their future homes. They also courted commercial developers hoping that upscale businesses would make Hollywood more desirable, slowly, they began to recover, but disaster hit before they could truly get back on their feet. Harvey's health took a turn for the worst during these stressful times and on March nineteenth eighteen ninety. One at about sixty years old, he passed away. Data just twenty nine was. Now a widow with a house on the edge of an increasingly undesirable neighborhood, and little financial means to speak of, on top of that mounting water problems threatened, Hollywood's continued development with the city alternating between terrible floods and stark shortages that summer a particularly awful drought dry diet as well. Completely leaving her without safe drinking water, these conditions once again forced ADA to sell to undesirables. For example. Caroline Wakeman purchased land from data in eighteen ninety three with plans to build a lavish home Wakeman had been a suffragette and was personal friends with Susan, b Anthony. She was still fiery at sixty years old and well known to enjoy throwing back a shot of whiskey with neighbors much today. His dismay data a worried that having an open drinker within the city limits would attract other open drinkers and drive away. The wealthy elitist Christians, that had moved to Hollywood with expectations of an alcohol free paradise. In eighteen ninety four three years after Harvey's death. Data thought her luck was turning around at last that year, she married, her second husband, Filo, Judson beverage, Filo was a good-looking wealthy, son of a former governor his family connections, provided financial stability and diabetes and filers partnership as beverage and beverage real estate finally allowed Aida to return to building her utopia. It also helped that shortly after their marriage files father, the esteemed former governor John beverage of Illinois moved to Hollywood. Giving it the prestige necessary to attract wealthier Morris, stablishment clients. The century turned and things were looking up. The water problem was temporarily solved by piping in additional supply from the mountains up north, as well as ample rainfall in the early nineteen hundreds data. Return to cultivating a high class, conservative, white community in nineteen hundred. She successfully sold property to the communities. I true celebrity resident Paul delong pray the so-called king of flowers. Delong pray was a famous French painter who was a smash hit with the more conservative residents. He was cultured foreign and painted tasteful florals as opposed to more popular nude paintings that were the talk of the art world. Delong praise presence sent property values. Skyrocketing Diana had struck gold. Conservative painters. Weren't the only people moving in. In addition to growing businesses and commercial areas nineteen o two saw the opening of the Hollywood hotel was an instant success attracting high-calibre guests from across the country and daytime visitors from Los Angeles. But all this development, also brought more people. It was harder to control who was in and out of Hollywood with all the workers and tourists and the prohibitionist rules of the city were being broken more and more often much today is dismay. Her own husband was caught breaking the law. When he tried to serve white wine at an event at the Hollywood hotel. He was able to get out of legal repercussions due to his status within the community, but she was deeply embarrassed by files actions. The two were believed to have fought over it at length. Dina was still holding out. For the day, they could return to controlling Hollywood. But Filo was aware that times where changing in addition to tourism alcohol water continued to be a problem in the wet winter months. The city was consistently flooding. Meanwhile, wealthiest state owners refuse to put unsightly septic tanks and other sewage processing facilities on their land leading to a lack of adequate equipment, and constant sewage. Backups all over town. Hollywood, literally stunk and the only way to fix these problems was utilizing the resources and labor force of Los Angeles. But that would mean being incorporated, by the city and losing the autonomy that allowed Hollywood to ban liquor and control who is allowed to live their votes began around nineteen o five on whether or not to join Los Angeles data who had literally created Hollywood wasn't allowed to partake. Disciplined since women's suffrage would not pass for fifteen years then in nineteen. Oh, seven a new obstacle appeared that no one could have predicted the movies arrived in Los Angeles. Next Hollywood takes on a life of its own.

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AP Draft Show - Clyde Edwards-Helaire Reaction Show (Ep. 10)

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AP Draft Show - Clyde Edwards-Helaire Reaction Show (Ep. 10)

"Very merry draft miss to you. Thanks for joining us today. My Name's Ken Swanson. This is the AP draft show. This is a live reaction to the chiefs on the first day of draft. Miss giving us a running back. Clyde Edwards layer out of lsu. It's the guy that if they were gonNA take running back is who we wanted and here to help me talk about. Him Is my dear pals. I find him on twitter at Jacob. Morley Jake you're going to quote here for a second. Yeah told you so. I believe I believe on this podcast last week. I was ridiculed on air. And you don't get to check the D. Hams either. But I was also ridiculed off air for suggesting having the audacity to suggest that the chiefs would select running back Clyde Edwards layer out of lsu. Who is a fantastic fit in their offense? And I'll get into why and what I think the chiefs are doing and why I think is really smart. Actually we'll get into that later but yeah you all. Can you know what because I'm right? You're wrong I also on rhyme. I I got two picks right from tonight's draft that really tick people off in September. I said the packer I was like I just suggested. I said your love would be a cool pick for the packers in the first round. Guess what it happened and I definitely have lots of receipts talking. Clyde being for trump into the chiefs so to fan bases who are not super happy about the pics. But I think they're both stellar picks. I think the chiefs fans are starting to be okay with Clyde Edwards aware. I know the analytics community hate it. I believe it multiple F grades. I'll who cares what they have to say. And I'm not even the big fan of the running back in round one now I've just flexing. Okay sorry go crazy. That's all that's to fight him on twitter at barley up. 'cause Jake's to his its own head bragging to introduce Craig Barley hop craig style. Hello Hello I'm excited. I'm excited Listen I thought it was funny. We'll get into some of the breadth. Vh quotes and things like that. But I want to kind of tease this one. He said that the AFC west clearly was trying to get in to attract meat. You know he's trying to turn this into a track meet guys Brett Beach. Just said y'all can't hang with our track meet like Clyde is going to come in and make this a significantly better offense for all the reasons that Kit Ni- talked about yesterday morning when we put out the podcast talking about why running back make sense or Andy. Reid and what he can do so from that regard Liz. Afc West tried to keep up. They are not going to be able to keep up. They got another dynamic weapon. That chiefs did. Yeah here's the thing. I am not a big fan of running back around one. I think we establish that yesterday and I was scared and I was scared on the livestream because I you know I think there's better positions of value that will help the chiefs not just this year but long-term Clyde Edwards Hilar- though what we've maintained for months now if they're going to take one in around one might as well be him might as well be Edwardsville there. And here's why Clyde Edwards Hilar- is the best route runner in this entire in this entire running back class and it's not particularly close and what he was asked to do is reflecting reflective of that client like he was running quarter routes from the slot against Alabama and catching touchdowns he was running a dynamic route. And he's pretty good at it. He's natural what he's got natural hands. He's able to catch the ball away from his frame very comfortable doing that. We haven't even gotten to the running back traits but the run pass rates are very good but the value of the running back traits aren't what people are aren't why he's going to be valuable in Kansas City. I mean they'll help. But he is a dynamic pass catcher from from the running back position and I think that's ultimately is true value. I that's I think ultimately what can kind of help maybe softened the blow of the value of you just make it sound like like it's such a tough pill the swallowed this offense but like I it. It is a little bit but you're right. You're right like this weapon. That's going to allow any run. The whole playbook it may Patrick mahomes better score. Eighty billion points a gay man. This release things. Look I. I don't I don't know if it's that big of a jump but I do think it helps way. Jacob picked a guy too that's GonNa step on the field from day one and be an instant intact starter. That's rare to get take thirty two unless you're picking a running back. But they picked a running back. That is I mean if you would if you would make a running back. A lab Ensued him for Kansas City. The only thing Clyde does not have is at long speed. That's it that's all he doesn't. It doesn't have what is good enough. That's the the Legion. Zoom did not get any zoom ear with him. That's for sure but he's quick. He's quick as lightning. So if you WANNA say Zoom Zoom that way sure but But he's not GonNa not gonNA run away from anyone but I think he's GonNa be that he still GonNa get you. Chunk yardage chunk plays You'll have to just be dependent on PAT on his arm. And even so you could be you know. We don't run the ball. Do Clyde could not carry a game and still be a super impactful player in this offense by catching eight passes and I think I think that's the point like I think that's what you know. I you know I'm not. I'm still going from a value perspective. I'M GONNA I'm GonNA continue to argue. You Know Clyde over its players. Low can't play corner and that's okay. His past catch value will make him a more valuable running back than a lot of other running backs that step onto the field. And that's the thing that I think people need to understand. That people need to hang their hats on from a value perspective. He might he might be able to be more valuable ave running back than other people are accustomed to and why the running back still. Your argument is a little bit different. That's the only caveat I'll add is conversation packers versus cheese game. This year of the players that played in that game was nobody who was the best player on the field that day era because not because they handed the ball to him because they got him in situations where he had advantageous match ups. And he's a good route runner like Clyde Allaire. He is very much that type of player. So if you if you hated seeing Aaron Jones catch one hundred seventy passing chiefs will hold a layers gonNa have some games like that. Here's the funny part. We hated watching. We blamed the linebackers hated. It yelled about the linebackers is one of the reasons why people are going now. You had to draft a linebacker everything like that. It Jake was Davante Adams playing in that game. No so the packers weapons were not great in the end they are joan at the end and Aaron Jones Tore Up. Now you get to put a guy that Andy Reid This this is Great Brett. Vh told Andy Reid is. He admitted this in the press conference after the thank told Andy Reid. I need you to watch Clyde Edwards. He layer because he reminds me of. Brian Westbrook Andy came back and said No. He's better take kit. You the primary greater for running backs I see happy dance over there. Who did you player? Comp Clyde Edwards. He later too so I'm just getting ready to stretch. I'm flexing compared Clyde Edwards ealier to Brian Westbrook. The Casey draft guide is a good day. Today high fits a player that meets brought up or having a good day over here a Casey draft headquarters. I mean if you think of Clyde as an offensive weapon and not as a running back just think of him as another offense of weapon maybe it becomes more palatable to you. He's not going to run the ball thirty times a game. This isn't John Taylor. You don't need to get him. Handoffs really get him going. How many times it Kareem Hunt? Carry The ball thirty times for crying out. Did he ever? I'm not sure I will look that up. And we'll get back to that in a minute. But this is like honestly. This is the closest thing that she ever GonNa get to a slot. Receiver is really what that is Jack. I mean that she's don't really go grab guys that are slot specific but Clyde definitely has some of the stuff that you're GonNa want in a in a in a slot receiver. I mean like he's GonNa run some of the routes that you typically see slot receivers run but my guys out here running corner outs. Do I mean like he is like I mean? I'm telling you this guy's route three is more dynamic than you're used to with running backs and and I mean he runs the angle route h post route Texas route. Whatever you guys call it. He runs it as good as anybody in this draft class the next evolution of NFL offenses is having a guy in your backfield that is essentially a wide receiver. That can take hand-offs and the chiefs are going to be at the forefront of that because they already have such an explosive offense in general and now they have a guy that can do that like they might not This year so you're saying that it's time to cut Dustin Colquitt. That's what Jacob Marley said. Kareem Hunt is Kareem. Kareem Hunt didn't have thirty carries and again by the way he had twenty nine a couple times. Yeah anyways content. That was my point is that that's I think we're GONNA see the NFL. Start to go but cheese or leading the sharks. You know when you talk about the NFL offenses in two thousand twenty. The way the game is played right now the way the rules are right now where physicality is kind of be taken out of the game and you want guys. I can separate you guys. That can space out defenses. And then you want a guy that can distribute the chiefs. Have all of that. The only piece that they were missing is it was running back piece and they just got it. Yeah and that's not to say the Damian Williams wasn't good player. He's still a good player. Still GonNa get to this team. I mean He. He's a nice speed option here. But here's the funny part. We're how many minutes into this podcast. We're not talking about him as a runner which he is. I mean. He's a fantastic runner. He's got excellent vision. He's got ridiculous agility. He's perfect for the chiefs zone. Heavy SCHEME HE SLIP. Jig said it. He literally perfect Andy. Reid one offense. I thought today he's tailor-made. He is tailor-made for Andy. Reed's offense he has better lateral agility than anyone on the chiefs roster anyone on the chiefs roster for several years. He has better vision than just about anybody in the last several years. Frankly I mean he's not the most like he's explosive through the whole but he lacks the second gear. He does not have that second gear. That's it's kind of evidence by his his forty time and you look at some of that stuff. I mean. He didn't test great. But when you watch them on the field rare agility. I mean rare a very good vision. I WANNA call him. Visionary it's not. It's not rare good. Good good vision. It's above average vision. I mean think of this way Clyde at Lsu you got to run against a lot of light boxes because that offense is ridiculous. It's a pro style offense to and he went for eighteen hundred scrimmage yards. He gets to settle right in to another pro style offense where he's going to see a lot of light boxes again. He can't be immediately successful. This is not going to be that big of a transition because his game is predicated on speed it's predicated on his vision and agility which are going to translate immediately O. N. contact Bali in contact balanced. Good contact balance. Yes we're going to take a break and we're going to kind of look and reset the Board Talk About Tomorrow. Talk About for our today. Actually it's going to be today for you for listening to this talk about the Friday draft. How it looks for the chiefs and what kind of things they can address right after this all right. We've kind of broke down the Clyde Edwards Hilar- PIC- hey might seep into this conversation. A little bit more. Who knows but there is still two more days of the draft in the chiefs. Still have five. Four more picks remaining. Perhaps they're going to look to trade back in the second round. Who knows but I found this interesting because when Clyde Edwards layer was aware. I'm sorry we have to really get used to that Clyde Edwards. It's the McColl situation all over again. We're GONNA WE'RE GONNA have to work on that but there was a lot of good players on the board Christian Fulton was on the board. Josh Jones. The tackle out of Houston was on the Board Xavier mckanie. The safety added Alabama's somehow still on the board. There's a tour gross modest the edge from Penn state. A lot of really good football players still remain on the board. I find it fascinating. I wonder I wonder what kind of values are going to be available for the chiefs at the end of the second round. Craig yeah I I mean. There's probably ten defensive backs that we've talked about that we will be comfortable with the chiefs taking in the second round. There's a couple of defensive ends there's a couple of linebackers there's still a lot of these second round wide receivers. You're Dinsdale mims are still there. Michael Pittman Junior still there. There's a lot of players that are going to come off the board here in the second round and the chiefs because of the way that they've set up this season in the needs that they have which are few for twenty twenty can just sit in weight and pick a guy that they know is going to be a good fit for twenty twenty one and baby in twenty twenty. You might see a Logan Wilson. You might see a Camp Dancer. It sixty three these guys that can come in step in and help the chiefs in twenty twenty and still build the depth on the defense. They're jake what kind of wide receivers do you think could be available that uses sixty three? Like who would you want to see them? Kind of take a look at US sixty three. I'm just we're going all offense now. We're just trying to score tech score one hundred. We are leaning into your bit. I mean you you picked running back to thirty two so just tell us three. Clyde at thirty two please. That's what I'm saying like I mean combined off well. This is going to be the bit that I'm going to really start hammering too because I really feel strongly about this and I talked about this on the wives youtube thing that we did. And I I really think that Andy you know who coached breadth far early in his career underneath Ron woolfe and Ron woolfe. Who's in the hall of fame? As a general manager for the Green Bay packers talked about at the end of his career. Having Bret for his biggest regret was not surrounding him with better weapons. And I think Andy is looking at this situation and saying okay now. I have the best quarterback I've had since I'd coach Brett Farve and in the world in general but anyways but but ever what am I gonNA do? I don't WanNa make the same mistake that the packers did with Brett and try and even with Rogers is okay. We got the quarterback knowledge trying to fix the defense. Let's all this high capital on defense to try to have this super well rounded team when it's like why just score more points than everyone score one hundred and I think and I think that's when Andy's honestly doing proved me wrong. His last two picks have been I. His last picks that have been his first picks. I guess let me wasn't a first rounder. But just explosive Athens so I think looking at this team if they're gonNA continue this route with wide receiver. Michael Pittman Juniors might top receiver on the boards still. I doubt he's there but you know he's a big receiver in those guys tend to fall and so maybe he is the guy that I really like as a fit in Kansas City. Is You know those kind of gadget type. Guys that can develop Brian Edwards out of South Carolina's a guy that I know all of us really like Later Yaounde's three Keep an eye on but just specifically tomorrow second and third round Brian Edwards is a name to keep an eye on. He was hurt throughout the process. But he's a very good player. Lynn vowed in junior is another guy that I think is a really good explosive athlete. He's another kind of gadget e type that I've seen Kim stating that offense well and develop into fulltime wide receiver in the meantime An indefinite Do Varney or Texas I per se call my do Varnay but when they pick him now just another name that we can't pronounce So those are three options right there of guys that I think if you just WANNA keep adding explosives athletes Those are some names. Keep an eye on. It's funny we've talked You remember how big the La viscous and not hype was about this time last year. You know coming draft a dude that. Oh man this wide receiver and all of that guy. He might be there at sixty three as well. You know like skill by lever to. He's still miles to hurt. Mandy if if you go back to last year. If he didn't play a snap this year he might have begun already. The people are judging the two thousand eighteen tape so yeah absolutely. He's a great name to keep an eye out and see this little feeds into point here. But we're talking about all these guys. That's a lot of really good players that fit the chief really. Well here's the thing there's still some really good corners on the board to I said Christian Fulton Bryce Halston their trevon digs is sitting there jailing Johnson sitting. There I look I. I don't know when those four going to fall off the board. I'm sure there's going to be a run on linemen still there's GonNa be around tear F. Offensive Line. There's going to be continue to be a run on receiver to like. Maybe the cheese can trade up for one of these guys. Maybe maybe jalen Johnson's sitting there in the fifties and maybe I was throwing this around earlier. Maybe one of those like win. The CHEESE TRADE UP FOR BRUIN speaks they gave up. Pick fifty six and seventy six or eight hundred seventy six. I think for picks forty six and one hundred basically they. They traded up and traded back with one. Pick to try to kind of equalize the value. I wonder if the cheese can't do that in this in tomorrow. And maybe trade sixty three and ninety six. I did the math. It'd probably be something like four. Pick fifty four and one twenty eight something around that range. I'm just that's just rough estimates. That's that's a ballpark. If one of those quarters falls there into the fifties man I'm looking. I'm looking hard at that. I'm looking too hard. If jalen Johnson's in the fifties I am trying my best to get up there. I'm trying to figure out a way to get up there because if you start if you start your draft off with Clyde Edwards Layer. I did it right there. Ed Jalen like if you'd flip those two for me I'd be geeked out. I'd feel even better. That'd be a fantastic start to this trap. Here's the funny one. There hasn't been a safety taken yet. Xavier McCain take rent Jeremy Chen Kyle Duger Antoine field. That run is happening. That run is going to happen in in the second round. But we're sitting in a situation kind of like one thornhill next year or last year where the chiefs might find themselves a sixty three with incredible safety value. Now we've talked about how we would pull the trigger on Xavier mckinney on grant. Del It at thirty two. This might be a one thornhill situation again. I guy that we loved in the first round that fell to the end of the second round chiefs could catch some value there. We know how spags likes to use the safeties now so listen. There are ways to still make an impact on this defense to get better while still adding to the offense Matt Hennessy Akeem Adedeji Moutain Mutai like. There's a lot of really good offense. Interior Offensive Lineman as well amped about tomorrow on Amtrak today. Sorry I really am excited in this draft tomorrow. All right guys I want to. I want us all to go around real quick in just grade the Clyde Edwards emailer pick. And we'll wrap this. Show Up Jake once you start us off. What's your grade on the Clyde Edwards alert pick? Why now I mean. Let's give him an even a plus. I love the pick. I don't care anyone says they're wrong right. I mean he's he's just so tailor-made to fit into that scheme. I just can't think of a better offensive weapon to add to that offense. It's it's like the last piece of the puzzle when it fits perfectly and you can look back and kind of look at it in amazement. I like what they're doing. They're all in for twenty twenty one. The running back is is in full full steam ahead. I'm not looking at twenty twenty two twenty two hundred. Yeah well the Super Bowl will be in twenty one and I like I like that. And it's it's tough to win two super bowls back to back in their position themselves to do that. So if you're positioning yourself to do that with your first pick their. Let me tell you what there's thirty one other NFL franchises. I love being that position and I don't know how you can't then give that pick a great great greg. Now listen my guy. Christian Fulton was still there so I can in good conscience. Give us an A. but I can't give it a B plus the NFL hated for every chief's Fan that you saw. That did not like this. Pick because it was a running back. Take a look in their three more fans of other teams that are pissed off that the chiefs got Clyde Edwards aware. That should tell you that should tell you what people think about him the kind of regard that they hold them in they think that this offense got better and frankly that's a little scary for the rest of the. Nfl is scary. I gave it a B minus Eh. It's not about Clyde words. Learned SLIGHTEST. Because if you've been listening to. Us Talk About Him. If you've been following us on twitter you know. I think about Clyde hours later I love the player. I love the player. I don't know if I love the value of a running back that early. I do think if there's any running back that's going to be able to create enough value or more value. It is him because he has pass catcher traits. That are flat out better than anybody else in this class. And he's going to be one of the best pass catching running in the national football league next year. There's going to be given a lot of opportunity to be put a lot of favorable situations favorable situations to run favorable situations as a pass catcher. Because he's often you're going to be the fourth option or option on the field because the cheese offense is that good. I mean real quick. Sorry need to sidebar here. The cheese are GONNA roll out. Travis Kelsey tyreek Hill. Samuel Walk Ins McCall heartbeat Clyde overs. Scary does terrify. Okay with the Boy Patrick. Mahomes slinging the rockall over the field. Okay big bump the great. They need they need to add some offensive line. Hell that's that's what they need to do around to. That's that's what really out. Hey Matt Matt himse man you keep an eye out keep an eye on Bob Hunt to Robert. Hung out a lot of good players. Lot of good players left guys. Keep an eye on Logan Wilson linebacker out of Wyoming Keep an eye on the corners. I think that's where we're looking at. I'm giving it to be minus. Though I love I love Clyde. Who was there the player wish they could? I wish they could trade back to forty and done. This and I would have been happier. They tried we tried. Yeah they did try so there you go all right that is going to do it for day one recap of the NFL draft. We'll be back tomorrow. With INSTA- breakdowns is two reactions on cheese. Picks needed a violence.

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Episode 371: Bonnie and Clyde Part III - Filthy, Smelly, and Surly

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Episode 371: Bonnie and Clyde Part III - Filthy, Smelly, and Surly

"No place to escape Tunis. Who's the last time cast on the left? Glaze cannibalism started. So, CLYDE barrow. They said had bit of a psychic impulse right kind of like a cop, six cents Spiderman these kind of how he got them out of a bunch of mixes that he would like he would have like a hunch that something hinky was going on, and he'd get out of there spider ham. I love spider. I'm glad you have one Spiderman reference, which is great. But the thing is that CLYDE barrow at the same time was also not very smart. Right. So he was not smart, but he was psychically. Smart. Does that mean the mentally handicapped could possibly be the most psychic group of people in the world and we don't know? Xavier. Get professor Xavier was brilliant. He ran a school. He had a wheelchair. Everything you ruin your whole career thing that is wrong. No answer. My question, though. I think. No, okay. I don't know. No nonetheless, everyone is handy capable. That's what I say. The last podcast on the left. I am Ben Kissel with Marcus parks, and we have Henry's brow ski as well. Jianqing reserve ram skinny, your, your hunger jacket Brodsky. I'm home of the wilpon. It on a cheeseburger, and sold it to customers. I definitely farted my pants just now. It's fun. Yeah. We're an enclosed space. Yeah. We're close based in Sydney, Australia. We're recording Bonnie and CLYDE par-three from studio in Sydney. Yes, it's absolutely beautiful. We're looking at this gorgeous streets of Sydney. Everyone looks great Henson bodies. You know, this is, you know, a place that is it, it's really were very comfortable here, because all the music is made for middle aged white men. So we actually feel right at home. I think we're just going to places where middle aged. White men hang out. That is what else is there. I understand. Well, speaking of. Well, no, no. There's really no segue here. We are onto part three of Bonnie and CLYDE the tail continues. This is when this shit gets photo real. Yeah. So when we last left, Bonnie, and CLYDE, they just left Joplin, Missouri after their first real shootout with the cops the pictures that made them famous have been released to the world. And buck and blanche barrow were now a permanent part of the game because of their involvement in the murders in Joplin. That's how we got Mary and Travis to work with us for so long because they are sort of a party to our secret crimes interest in technically doesn't that mean they can blackmail us whenever they want. Oh, fun. Fuck. As a result of those actions. The barrow gang was about to enter one of the most miserable and difficult times of their very short life, gone were the days when they could stay at a motor court wearing clothes that were freshly dry cleaned every day. Yeah we're we're past the rockstar area. We are now into Vince Neal two hundred and forty pounds in the on the floor of LA Quinta with a needle hanging on. We're in sex sex tape, Vince Neal territory eight. I was a new peak for him was. Yeah. You heard him fucking stick. It. Juice to at least make it to come now, Bonnie, CLYDE, WD blanche and buck slept in the car, and bathed in muddy streams, eating mostly canned food like Vienna sausages. I will poop in the only thing you're eating for those of you who don't know what being a sausage, are, they are horrible tasting tiny weenies in a can. That's what we're all right now. I'll, I'll support him. I like spam and I like I'm not going to say I like Vienna sausages. But if it was like between eating Vienna sausages, and, like saving all like, packet of my come to eat for the protein, Vienna sausages, no-one fix about that when you're like starving and making afraid reviews each your com. That's protein. Wow. Well, that really. No. I don't know if that works. I don't know. Not sure Furthermore, the dust bowl was far from over even a small dust storm encountered while driving in a car was enough to fill a person's mouth with dirt. And that's with the windows up in the barrow gang was driving through those dust storms on a regular basis. No other criminals on the run during this time had safe houses when things got hot, but those were the big timers, despite Bonnie and CLYDE, celebrity status. They didn't really know any other criminals outside of west Dallas yet. No, they needed to know real, indoctrinated criminals like senators and that could actually help you. That's where they every was all the dirty money that the rest of them would spread around you tip off the cops in order to protect safe house for you. And then you have a place to go or Bonnie and CLYDE were doing it the DIY way, which is like, well, we've learned is that, you know, you do it hard for really do the hard way for many years. Right and sucks. No one even cares. No. That is really interesting though, with when it comes to the safe houses, I've been played a lot of division two. And I gotta say they need to set up those safe houses so they can fast travel Mickley, if there's a dose storm, they're just going, what I hit fast tram. Closest bonding could come was when they found someone either sympathetic or starstruck enough to let them stay at their house. But the gang never stayed longer than a night, because the reward for their capture just kept getting bigger, you think that if we just came to Austria, and went through the outback in just showed up. And it's been like a loss podcast game. Markaz goblin seat. And this is kiss along beer Kissel, me. I'm Henry brain the game. Let's say you're like, oh. See, like damn near every day, the barrow gang had to steal a new car, especially since there was now five of them on the run to get after two weeks. Crammed in one car, though. The gang figured it was time to steal a second car and form a small caravan. Okay. So in rust in Louisiana, the barrow gang roared in town in WD hopped out, and stole a car belonging to a mortician named Dillard, Darby was so memorably played by gene wilder in the nineteen sixty seven movie, I was so heartened to learn that this was real. Yeah. I was too. I love gene wilder is first role was playing this guy. No kidding. Wow. We'll sort of like the movie Darby and his friend, a local radio celebrity named Sophia stones. Oh, she was the fart woman of middle taxes. Will always say be like, oh, it's looked turned them. It's gonna rain on Friday. Original shock jock, while she's the best of Darby and stone saw the whole thing happened. So they hopped in Sofia car and chased after the barrow gang. So they are ballsy man. It wasn't long before, CLYDE, who was already a little irritated operating hadn't gone smoothly turned around and started following them. He eventually caught up. Yeah. He's a short angry man, which I mean I don't understand. I certainly have never done, anything purposely vengeful because of my just my blood pressure. No, you're not gonna end up like Michael Douglas in the movie falling down shooting up fast food restaurant because the bargain. To do that. The encounter wasn't quite as cute as it was portrayed in the movie after CLYDE, forced Darby and Sophia off the road. Nass why they were following him. Darby said he was phone because they stole his car in response CLYDE, pistol whipped Darby and forced him and so fear into the car at the barrow gang was driving, because WD had already taken off and Dillard, Darby's car at this point. Now, he split up remember WD, how old is WD sixteen so he's a child, and they are now they all are now crammed together and are going ninety miles per hour through the fucking dust, two fields away from nowhere, frog nowhere to nowhere. I mean, honestly, this is the greatest generation. I mean, the teen these guys are babies. Yeah. We could pull the stuff off. So the new hostages squeezed into the front with Bonnie and CLYDE because the gang had so many guns in the back seat from a recent armory burglary that only buck and blanche could. Fit in the back. I mean, I guess we could put a bike over him or something actually legend. Just beat out people. See sweeping on a bunch of guns in the back of a car that you just stole. I get the excitement factor of this, now, I stone in Darby were terrified the gang was filthy, smelly and surly from being on the road for pretty much two weeks straight and buck was getting pretty casual with suggestions that maybe the gang should just kill the hostages. This must be fucking insane. Yeah. Just like. Miles an hour with some twenty two year old psychopath, just jabbering on Bouche Kayla. Maybe. Bouncing up and down to ninety miles an hour like clydes like get David. Filthy, smelly and surly is one of the best Waylon Jennings song I've ever heard. I love it a standby but CLYDE, calm down the situation by telling the hostages that yes, you have been kidnapped by the infamous Bonnie and CLYDE, but you'll be just fine just along as you don't act a fool, okay? And that is when Bonnie started making small talk ask asking the hostages what they did for a living when Darby told her that he was a mortician, Bonnie laughed and asked if he'd like to be the official embalmer of Bonnie and CLYDE, when they were killed with so much fun. That is amazing. You do that. Then. Oh, maybe. So come around CBA sometime when I'm cokes. So when the barrow gang finally, let the hostages go and WALDO Arkansas, everyone was pretty much friends, and CLYDE, even gave Darby five bucks to make up for the pistol pistol-whipping. How many people did they? Nineteen thirty nineteen thirty three how that to make friends you just had to kidnap someone. And it would all work out. This is not the first time right that no Bonnie, and CLYDE kid next kidnap someone. And afterwards, the kidnappers were like can we stay nor is it the last, how now it's all like the movie I was collateral with the taxi drivers that with Tom Cruise who he gets going the tax. You've everything's go. And they end up on a hit together. They end up kind of like many movies like this. They ended up like they get on this. You come from pure poverty. You are in a hardscrabble life in the middle of the dust bowl. This kinda shit is incredibly exciting. Yeah, you're with Bonnie and CLYDE at all of you, this point. You've just heard seen newsreels about this can sexy gang. All they do is fuck rob and murder. And then all of a sudden you're part of their story. It's a this is an American legend in the making, but CLYDE doing these things, which I really. Like, is because it's not forced. He is not doing things out of some kind of privilege, some other outside pressure. It's weird. He is the character that he is embodying. Yeah. If you're the one who is kidnapped technical, you got to get out of jail, free card, so you get to go on all the fun antics, but then you can be like they kidnapped me officer. And then you're also a hero. Meanwhile, WD had disappeared he'd somehow got lost in the shuffle after the Darby kidnapping, and Bonnie and CLYDE, had no idea where he'd gone, but they figured if he was heading anywhere it was west Dallas. So they headed back home to leave a message, the WD should should sit tight and wait for them to come back to west also they can pick them up. But even though WD was no longer around the gang still had to feed themselves said, CLYDE and buck plant. Nice straightforward Bank. Robbery on may eleven oh and I bet you it went without a hitch. Yeah, yeah. And they got all the be crazy, money and everything was good. But I mean they just have to feed themselves. So they just cut out the middleman, which is the money in that transaction and just go rob a restaurant, they did that plenty as well. But also wanted some of the glory also like gotta have some purpose in life. If you're a criminal, and if you're, you know, if you've set yourself up with this outlaw lifestyle, and that's your purpose. Why you wake up in the morning? You are a Bank robber is your job. They go back to work. Yeah, the plan was to break into a Bank hide and wait until the Bank opened in the morning to pull the Btk. Yeah. Then when the clerks arrived for work, the barrow boys, pull their gums. They got they got the drop on them. And then Bonnie and blanche would be outside in the getaway car, EMP easy. This is what happened on saved by the bell when they got stuck in the mole overnight. Yes. Yes, the camping supply store, but extra right? You're hanging out in the Bank at night. Grab couple mops. You see, like maybe like a little bit of clean start cleaning, it play the bathrooms right? Restock. A lot of the shelves crew. All of a sudden, you're working at the Bank. Money on top of money. That's a good idea. But win the morning came buck, and CLYDE discovered they should've spent a little bit of time searching, the Bank for stray weapons as soon as they popped out of their Heidi holes. The clerk grab a nearby shotgun and just started firing. The whole thing was lead line. You're like he's just immediately robo cop of. Teller. Teller. They had no choice but to run and they ran out of the building into the car, we're Bonnie and blanche her waiting as a pissed off teller with the shotgun chased after they needed. What was it Elvin? And the chipmunks Theodore Theodore was the key. You're talking about you're talking about how no no no later. You're thinking about the toll one, the smart one Rupert. Oh, no. It was Theodore. And not Rupert think you went didn't he just go by Kant? No, he didn't. Everyone's simon. By the way, a road manager on this tour is named Simon, and he is a wonderful, man. Oh, yeah. He's h he's a real are living Wayne's world two right now. We are with Australia Roti, and he's just telling us stories about Judas priest. The stories are incredible. But they needed assignment. They needed a brain in the group. They did not have it. The teller chased him out with the shotgun. That's when the townsfolk joing. Derive? Gotta be so exciting again. What a fun day to be a Townfolk, one guy. Hurled a big piece of wood in the road. Try to block the path of the barrow gang. Well, another guy jumped on the hood of the car in only let go after Bonnie fired a few warning shots through the window because money had no desire to murder, nor did Bonnie ever murder anyone, no matter what some of the shitty movies might say, okay, she just wanted to money. She wanted money. She wanted to live the lifestyle. Always, and she wanted to love, CLYDE, and they wanna live life, freedom outside of what they were born into. And they find the trouble we did this last episode to it's just always right there. Of course it is. Of course it is. But when Bonnie fired the warning shots, that's when the rest of the townsfolk opened fight. And when the barrow gang fired back to women Doris, minor Ethel Jones. They both got wounded, although not terribly wounded or people are still getting hurt the only things to die. That day were a couple of pigs. No trust in the road and have to be directly in the path that the fast-moving barrow game. He doubt explosion would have been a poor making the whole thing. Okay. So this is going back to my previous point though. They're looking for food steal the. I just don't get it. But even though that plan was a disaster. The gang tried the exact same thing at a different Bank a week later. But that time they did relatively okay? They got sixteen hundred bucks, although seven hundred dollars of that was in big ass silver dollars, which were later given to cue me barrow. That's a nice gift for a mom, though. My mom loves shit like coins plates and all that kind of garbage. She likes commemorative, whatever you know what I mean, I got a little boat once and just sit somewhere my mom so many Chachis. Yeah. Big on chech- skis as well. It looks like it's a nervous home, because you bought them pool. Technically, you also got her a pool. Boy. Which is really nice for her to watch them work on the slack. Beslac bax. Meanwhile a development had occurred in the case of Raymond Hamilton. Remember Raymond Hamilton was very early. Member of the barrow gang Hamilton had just been found guilty of the murder of Jon butcher. Remember the jeweler who was the first guy first guy to die as a result of the gang's actions. But instead of the chair, Raymond somehow come out with a ninety nine year prison sentence, what that meant was that instead of going to death row Hamilton was now on his way to where else, but Eastham prison farm, and with that, CLYDE, had better reason than ever to organize his long planned prison break. Honestly, dude. It's, it's, it's, it's arc others whole story. Right. Clyde is obsessed with this idea for forever. It never goes away. He knows that he it's the fulfillment of his pure robinhood version of his reality has been like this, this way, if I can get some of these boys out of this prison. It's. Almost an psychological way, a races for him all the other crimes and sins. He's committed where he's like, but I did one good thing in this life. But as always an eastern prison, break was going to take preparation and men, the gang had finally gotten worthy WD shown backup and west Dallas. After going, God knows where so Bonnie and CLYDE headed down to pick him up blanche and buck went to Oklahoma to visit Blanche's father, but after picking up WD and heading back up north disaster struck Ono while driving through the town of Wellington, Texas. Clyde driving seventy miles per hour in the pitch, dark missed detour sign. Drove straight through a wooden construction barricade and FU into the air, basically, what they said, was that this was a part of this was a part of the world where the idea of driving facet night was the dumbest shit road to do. If you knew this. They say that it was a create an optical luge in it was so flat that you couldn't even see where the ROY. Owed twisted and turn because it just looked like fuck and line. Your is good adjust to the depth perception and CLYDE, who could not drive. He he would do that. I mean obviously would be truly the end of the barrow, gang this, what happened here, and I serve as a warning to me, who also loves the drive a spastic humanly boss won the car finally came crashing down to earth. The car battery exploded and splashed Bonnie's legs with battery acid burns that went deep enough to expose her bones. Man. I'm the. Lovely bones named buddy. I wish I could slice your lovely beautiful white. Attached me say you wage Lama copes like all the God, but he's got it got up. Quit the flood. Clyde carried Bonnie to a nearby farmhouse where her legs were saved only when the farmer's daughter covered the burns with the Sav mixed with baking powder. See, CLYDE refused to let the farmer go get a doctor essentially saying that if she dies, she dies like often Drago even drug, I even durable. But part of it, it's true. Because they all said it because they had an internal dialogue they had an agreement they knew that 'cause hospitals in prison. Everything would be over, and they both of them. I mean truly in romantic fashion one deny next to each other. If one was going to die, the I mean, CLYDE would not have died, CLYDE kite, understood on some level that he was going to end up using to shoot again us gonna make love again. But, but Bonnie, I'd always said, if CLYDE died sheet immediately afterwards. This is a fucking gruesome injury, yet semi this Brittle's battery acid. It's battery acid. I mean think how much it has to burn through to make a leg show. I mean, that is inches of flesh. Fair. She's extremely thin. I don't think the battery acid we get to my bone. That's, that's my connection layer of fat. Yeah. You got big legs. Yeah. Today's episode had me and Marcus doing a lot of research on murders and mayhem, as usual. But you wanna know some research I did that really freaked me out maybe sad. I uncovered the fact that sixty six percent of men lose their hair by the age of thirty five no. 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That's what you have to do legally, that keeps you from committing a crime because you say the guns when the Winky face and quotation, fingers, usually a bunch of pecan pies or something. Exactly, legally could be anything. But we know an actually is good. Four d chess, and you have it all figured out. So after CLYDE told WD to go get the guns someone in the house, went and got the law by the time the law showed up WD was already back with the guns. So all the law did was provide the barrow gang with a new car gang thin took the cops hostage. But while they were all driving away together, CLYDE, couldn't help. But let the cops know who they were. I understand drop credits. It's hard to not get another wrong on your. I am db Peyton. Right. Right. And with that the cops now knew that the infamous Bonnie Parker was seriously hurt with a very specific injury. There was now a very clear trail where have CLYDE hadn't said anything to those cops if you see if he would've said, shut the fuck up, we're going to drop you off down the road. Don't say anything no one would've known. But now they knew for sure. Bonnie Parker has a serious leg injury. Watch out for it. So the ego got in the way much like Dennis Rader, the four mentioned BT K piece of shit that he is. So they just could not. What, what do you think that is? Why do they need to let the cops know because it's obviously not in their best interest. It is truly I I you know, many of my jokes, there's a little bit of truth them, really. Henry is breaks the rule of comedy where there's no truth at all. Yeah, no. But I do believe it really is about credit there at this point. They know they're going to be there. No, they know they're going to die. They know they're going to be murdered at some point for their crimes in the middle of something. Do not going out. Do not gonna be taken alive. What they want the credit. They're building legend. They do believe in some way, shape or form, they have this. I think that it's, it's a delusion that will get so famous like something will happen. The people will it'll almost flip for us. We'll become such a legend that will almost become untouchable, that eventually our presence will make people so scared of immediately. Then no one will deal with us. No one will try to stop us, and they're, they're long game was at Bonnie kept saying, like, why don't we just disappear? We'll go and take the money that we get. We'll get a big school, and then we'll disappear up to Montana. But it. Was never going to be like that. That's what happened with Johnny Depp in this Hollywood vampires van go. I think it was also partly some small form of payment like it has all this has to be worth something Mani is damn near dead. They just got new car. Everyone's all fucked up. Everyone's filthy. They've got no money there. They run out of they spend money as soon as they steal it. So a little bit of credit is almost payment to all the got its pride. Yes. When you broke pride as as performers you worked for free for the vast majority of our career still for the first fifteen years of our careers. The applause was the reward when that's why you did it in there. That's what this whole thing was about, as about going past where you were born, it was about making a difference, making well not making a difference, but making make it fuck. It go for it. The difference when the gang finally met back up with buck and blanche outside of Seir Oklahoma, which is that where they met just down the road from where my family's ranch was at the time really father was born in. No. The cops were still in tow. But although buck against justed maybe we ought to just kill them client insisted on letting the cops live. Because the cops had cradled Bonnie's head all the way to say they've been very kind to to bond it's night. So they handcuffed the cops to a tree and just drove off. Okay. That's kind of cute actually. It's another moment of why the, the Warren Beatty movie was, like, kinda close in tone, if they weren't also just total shitheads, right. Right. Well Bonnie's leg injury. However would prove to be a permanent burden for the gang. See despite clydes cruel Ivan Drago like statement immediately after the accident, CLYDE wouldn't leave Bonnie side while she was recovering us because even though the two of them regulate they got in a fistfight. They got a screaming matches that would curl your fucking hair. They still loved each other, or maybe more accurately, they were unhealthily co dependent on each other. I mean absolutely. I also love that idea for a sa- here salon, if you if you really could see argument that could curl your hair, where you just go in, and it's just two people screaming at each other. You watch it is entertainment, and then you walk out with a beautiful fro never been to screaming bitch. I never I didn't know that this is green admit she's one of the most incredible holistic hair cutting service. I e how much. Your hair? I've had recently do go to scream bitch. Debra. Back going. So while Bonnie was convalescent from a serious burn injury, that most likely dissolved the tattoo bearing her first husband's name metal it was up to WDM buck to do all the robberies, and one of those in particular showcase just how young and dumb WD actually was, and just how truly terrible at the game that buck was WD didn't even want to be there, because he couldn't do the first robbery. Yeah, it was forced to steal that damn car each just over his head. He's kind of institutionalized a little bit by them. Like, I think he's kind of been he's getting raised into the business. And also the way they talk about it perspective, I think, is interesting where CLYDE and Bonnie, the view it as a job WD at first it's dangerous, but eventually start to view it as like this is my job. I have to learn how to do it right now. I'm dumb but one day, I'll be is brilliant as our leader, Clive. The barrow gang was driving around in a small sedan, and they needed, and they needed something bigger, if they were gonna comfortably transport bunny. So during a grocery store robbery, WD spot of the source delivery truck outside in decided that would be perfect, despite the fact that grocery store delivery truck was slow as hell and extremely conspicuous it might as well have been the big dog car. And even if it wasn't a bad idea in the first place. It became a worse idea when WD got the keys from the store, owner and found that the battery was dead and sill WD didn't give up. He started pushing the truck down the hill. So he could pop the clutch, and after going through all that trouble WD decided as he was driving away in the truck movers. No such a good idea for all. So he drove back up the hill and return to buck who was rightly wondering where the fuck WD gone. Oh, right. Don't Dobie is not a good intern. Like if the Scooby doo gang just started huffing. What is going on here? But now it was bucks turned a fuck up three two of them took off buck with driving, too fast and crashed into the back of another car while going over a steep hill, and two cops heard the crash just fifty yards away. So they were on the scene almost immediately. But who, if you'll remember it never been a fan of taking hostages got out of the car, brought the shotgun with them. While WD got out holding a Browning automatic rifle, but WD was terrible shot. So he was pretty much useless buck on the other hand, wasn't he opened fire in hit officer history Humphrey, who died a few days later. But the other officers survived managed to shoot off to of WD's fingers. Juergen. Offhand. After the scene. Perhaps wasn't all that surprising that cop started attaching as many crimes to the barrow gang as they could because the thing about the barrow gang was that they could cover hundreds of miles in a single day. This was like it wasn't unheard of it was just knew that someone could be one day. They could be an Arkansas and the next, they'd be on in the panhandle, Oklahoma. It's like that new Star Trek that I saw solve themselves and go to another play. That's not new Star Trek. That's very old Star Trek. But, but he would relentlessly drive again, CLYDE, barrows one ability was to drive into the cell, like, he's, he's very good at it bucks that got into the car accident that wasn't cloud, but CLYDE, when he jumped over the thing go and seven. Turn to your like you're gonna make a mistake and sometimes bigger mistakes happened instead of smaller mistakes. This is you explaining why you got into a car crash to Natalie your wife. Exactly. Because the barrow gang could show up pretty much anywhere. Anytime there was a robbery or murder suspect, to even kind of looked like the barrow gang that crime would be attached to Bonnie and CLYDE, so technically it would be smart to dress like, Bonnie glide, rob a bunch of banks blame it on body cloth, probab-. There were probably quite a few people who did that smart. Honestly, you gotta like one skinny guy with a wig on flapper trans case other like short, you have a lady dressed up as a dude. Right. Super weird like gender fluid Bank robbery team calling themselves, Connie and Bligh, right? Doing that kinda shit cert- scissors each other. You know, you made it to scissor and once again, but no just gets you're straight up. Call yourself, buddy clydes publicly. Well, for an example of crime that was attached to the barrow gang that they absolutely did not commit. Police in Crawford county attached a rape to CLYDE, and buck barrow. All they, although they were prove ably in another state, but from then on all the wanna posters concerning. The barrel, boys listed. Rape. Right. Alongside murder, but no sexual assault. That's the first we're hearing about that. That wasn't something that was doing. Never not even fucking close to what they were doing. Okay. But it was a thing that actually really fucked with the center of barrow gang. Because when those charges came down a literally to be like I didn't do it. I didn't do it to blanche. Yeah. So actually, psychologically, it was a almost a trick of the police. Would that kind of thing helps fucking fuck with the fabric of the gangs earth? Okay. Meanwhile, Bonnie's wounds weren't doing any better, the gang stop where they. Could to pick up medical supplies. But since she spent most of her recovery in the backseat of a car, Bonnie's, tendons, ligaments healed in a somewhat fetal position. It's bad news. Shit was lying. Gets fucking gruesome man. Yeah. That meant the win. The moon's finally healed. Bonnie's leg was permanently curled up meaning that, while she could hop a little mostly for the rest of her life, CLYDE had to carry her around everywhere. It's such a this to me is one of the biggest myth bussing things about Bonnie, and CLYDE about how the way when they when they ended, they were so fucking tore up. We're going to go through this is gets fucking brutal. Yeah. Bonnie had it be. She was a basket woman. Yeah. They carry the medical, I'm sorry, miss body. You're now a basket woman, so they actually WD later, said that when Bonnie had to go to the bathroom either WD, or CLYDE would have to carry her into the toilet and plop down on the seat. Yeah. And there's have pay for that you just there's, there's a whole custom experience. You can do just being a toilet waiter. So since Bonnie wasn't doing too, well the gang decided to treat themselves to a couple of nights at a nice motor court in Platte City, Missouri next to a grocery store, named Slim's castle and a restaurant called the red crown tavern. Now, this broke all of their rules, every single one, they had a lot of rules about how they don't stay any sort of hotel. They don't they don't appear to public they'd been camping out for so long. But I really think because all of the spider says is going everyone was saying, like this is a fucking bad idea, and CLYDE was like, no. And I think part of it is a little bit. I think that he thinks if we're beginning to be killed here. This is going to happen. I just want Bonnie to be in a bed for a night. We knew before the murder. Honestly, you're gonna get killed. Sure. Sure. Turned out that a bucks instinct about how we should not be fucking doing this. That was the right one follow. Once again, it was the little things that gave away the. The barrow gang as I said it was well known that Bonnie was injured and not everyone was a fan of Bonnie and CLYDE, see the barrow gang was just throwing used bandages out the window, or they were leaving them, capsize, God humor when I cut off my thumb. Gore filled shit. I just left in place because I travel for work, all traveling shooting shit. I literally had the hotels just filled with my fuck. It us that was, what were you doing, cutting onion, or something, cutting garlic, yes, screaming about Ken? Or manager. And think about like in these bandages huge accused wound on Bonnie's leg on a festering pus fill. All right. And they're just throwing them out the window, they're leaving camp sites. And so when people would find these bandages they'd call up the cops and say, like, hey, I think Bonnie and CLYDE, we here we found a bunch of festering, bloody bandages Zach, befall, Texas ranger limit take a look at these because this could variably big catch up. So let me give it a trap. Oh, that is plus. To the homeless guy from Dennis the menace, just wearing. The win a farmer in Iowa not too far away from Platte city reported finding some bandages suddenly wasn't so strange to think the Bonnie and CLYDE were in the area. That's red flag. Number one. Okay. Furthermore, the red crown tavern, which was right next to the motor court where the barrow gang decided to rest was unbeknownst to the gang a popular hang out for both local police and the state highway patrol fucking. Boner. Doors of all of it. You walked in, they literally plain clothes cops just sitting in a bar rushing bunny, and cli- just roll. And they're all like tiptoeing outside. Watching them that is hilarious. And then blanche walked into the office of the motor corps wearing very expensive high falutin writing pants that she had bought. But it was like this was a time when like a woman walking in wearing fancy pants was a town scandal. Everyone's like us all woman wearing job, Burs over at the motor court. And so it started getting around, and then it started getting running for more when this woman who's wearing these very expensive. Clothes was paying in loose change that the barrow gang had stolen from a bubble gum machine. That's how that's how broke they were. They were robbing bubblegum machines went to garbage pail kids level crime. And the censure came when CLYDE taped up all the windows of their cabin with newspaper, that's so smart. Honestly, you gotta do it sometimes in a hotel because they have like flimsy curtains. You're trying to sleep. He got a cover them with trash bags. I am guilty of it. I'm sure I think all of us are blanche was also buying meals for five and she was seen buying. Bandages all you got say is like, Nah, I am buying family. I'm buying for me. I'm trying to get real fat. I openly lie about that. Sure, so word finally got around to the sheriff, and the sheriff surmised that most likely the barrow gang was hiding out in Platte city now up to this point, the barrel gang hadn't ever faced any real opposition every time they got new shoot up before an always been with barely trained local cops who had no idea what they were walking into. But this time law enforcement was ready. They got themselves be a ours to match the now trademark barrow firepower. And when it came time to raid, the motor court, Jackson county sheriff Tom bash showed up with a posse of thirteen shields. An armored car ooh, Roland indeed. Yeah. When the cops finally commenced the rate, they found that the gang had split into two separate cabins. So the cops approach the cabins had called out. Tell the barrow gain give up you're surrounded, the barrow, gang responded by opening fire. Fucking. It's hard because your back's against the wall. They don't come out. They don't talk. They don't high. They don't it's just literally. Was surrounded by Uber drivers. Now, the shields were supposed to protect the men from any and all be a are bullets and they sorta did. But the Biarritz were so powerful. The cops were knocked back on their ass with the power of a fire hose, every time one of the bullets connected. So while CLYDE and buck were laying down covering fire from the two different cabins WD went to the garage in the cabin that he was sharing with Bonnie and CLYDE, and open the garage door. So they could all escape. That's when they discovered. The cops had brought an armored car, my so CLYDE Ren, the garages, well and open fire, turn out, armored car was actually more useless than the shields. Clydes bullets pop through the metal plating and wounded the driver in both legs. So the driver said fuck this, and he got out of there, which cleared the way for the barrow gang to escape because you put the weakest dude inside of the driver armor. See, that's, that's where master-blaster goes. The whole thing throw born gay kit to me. Fucking back out of there. But the thing is that if he had not, they would fucking just killed due to kill them. The car is a fucking obstacle, but then gave him a window, that's all CLYDE needs. Because once you go short, you don't aboard. As I said buck, and blanche had been staying in a different cabin from Bonnie and CLYDE, so they had to run across an open area with no cover to join Bonnie CLYDE, and WD in the getaway car. But as they were running buck was shot in the head. The bullet entered his temple and exit out his forehead taking part of his skull, and exposing his brain, and yet buck did not die. What how did he die? He did drop to the ground also, but blanche who was only ninety pounds on the mound nutrition of being on the road for weeks time. They were all malnourished. She mustered up the strength to drag him to the car under fire, and she got him inside of your husband. Just had a fucking quarter of his face blown off. It's also it's interesting to show just how hard it is to kill the human ape. Yeah. We are very protected skulls, really strong. It's difficult to blow it up. So it took out a choke of. His Fook and rain and he was still alive. This is the JFK Jackie O moment of the story. Okay. So as soon as buck was in CLYDE, hit the gas and sped away, under a hail of bullets as blanche shielded buck in the back seat. But just before they were out of range, a bullet shattered the back windshield, and blanche, his eyes were filled with shards. But although the barrow gang had gotten away their first ever real even gunfight had resulted in one near fatal head wound and a serious eye injury, while the only wounds that cop suffered was from friendly fire and the guy who got shot in the legs will the friendly fire thing is never get in a circle. Yeah. On your about to shoot. She'll end up shooting your best. But and that guy would go on to say, oh, shut by the barrel, gang and I lived, it was like you were shot by your buddy. Fred. Yeah. That's the thing is that his buddy, Fred didn't like. They let him have it for a long time, because that was his favorite swords. Like, yeah. Got this injury back when I took down Bonnie and CLYDE and Platte city back thirty four and they're like, Fred shot you. Stupidly, though, the barrows hadn't kept carful a gas, so they needed to fill up. But when they pulled into a service station, the attendant was met with buck brains. Fully visible. Loudly out of the car, covered in blood while bench. Blanche screamed about her is in the back. Goes want unleaded. Or what are you guys? You guys got him, slim jims. So the barrows moved on to the next station where they manage to calm down enough to get bandages aspirin and hydrogen peroxide, which they poured directly into bucks head hall. Honestly, dude, he was around two way the talked about it is that he was on the ground his brains completely visible, and his eyes are like rolling back. And he says, Hough I know we gotta clean this. What do they get the peroxide? And they're just like should we soak shirt with it in, Pat it. No. Fill his head with it. They just blew into all over them. And what does that feel like? Jeffrey Dahmer tried to make Zam. This is not medicine. We'll know it sounds dumb. But doctors later said that this probably saved bucks life. At least for a little roll along his Serie prolonged, is life, because it kept infection from taking, but it was obvious to even the barrows the buck who was not gonna live long. What was the first book when you see? So they pulled off the road near damone and unloaded in Bandon amusement park that closed as a result of the depression place, called decks field park. I think that is truly the depression, depression, literally killed amusement. Yeah. They all unloaded, and they waited for buck to die in peace amazingly staring at him. Yeah, just kinda stare at like, because they didn't want him to die in a car. They wanted him to die and nice field in nature. You know it was it was it was a sweet gesture. They wanted to put them on the teacups. Right. So the laid him down and Tim, just right. And there's like what if we just like, no let him down natural? But both was still coherent enough to request fried chicken. You wanted to last meal? So, CLYDE Whitney town and got him a last meal, but still even after the fried chicken book, did not die. Well, that's all you get. Churkin's actually. Go get some Ostrom. Ice cream is really good. Can you get me in a newspaper? Excellent me on Anita impair, new headphone. Maybe go get me a new phone. Something. Actually, if you go get me, the extended cut of the wise. And as he lay there dying he had to sit and listen to WD as WD, sat there, import his heart out saying he decided to outlaw alive. Just wasn't for him. Also, this is a law for you. WD saying, I'm going soon as as soon as I can. I'm going back to west Dallas. Well blanche was still just sitting there just waiting. I still filled a tiny piece of glass, the best, they could do try to pluck the larger pieces out with tweezers like Bonnie would sit there, like all right. Dollar and just hold still. Got it. This is the last one. But then the part about half line. They can't see the quotation marks. Ended up looking like Cinna bites? Yeah. Hellraiser. Yeah. Dude, and the whole time a screeching I'll had set up camp next to their car, and wouldn't stop swooping and screeching screeching and swooping higher time. They were there. Waiting for buck to die. They were a term is a mess this, right? It's time to celebrate your new graduate with a bunch of Jack Daniels. 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Okay. Good. That's the way it should be when if you got to rage filled Townfolk crowd, at least half have to be drunk. Well, I mean to the sheriff's credit he did actually go through the crowd and pick out like you're too drunk. Better way. I'm gonna one one is part of the Pasi use some kind of administrators. What if that was like the dude dude woke up in the morning, I have to stop drinking. Kill. Shoot random people. This is my rock bottom. And so at five AM on July twenty fourth. The posse attacked walk for the gang though, they'd all woken up early to make hot breakfast. Yeah. Yeah. It's like being with your single dad weekends, and CLYDE, her to branch snap, he and WD grab their guns and started firing into the darkness. But again, they were no match. The paired posse both CLYDE, and WD were shot almost immediately WD getting grazed in the face and CLYDE getting seriously shot in the left arm shattered the bone, but still neither wound was bad enough to take him down. Man. They just don't Fook and stop. No, again, the barrow gang manage to all get in the car, but they got stuck on a tree, stump almost immediately. They all got out and started running down a hill, but while they were running buck, fainted. Didn't even die. So you got up. He is eight rate. Yeah, he is not only because he got up and ran faster than we do, when we're filled with fried chicken. Yes, he ate, a whole chicken won't brain. Exposes you hold the brain in. I think they put a cork in it. It was like a chicken bone stuck in a hole gets his fucking sideways. What like a wave. Because if you look at the setup of this they, they, they fucked up. Yeah, it was a car in the middle of a completely open field. They it's clearing. It was a clearing. And so the posse literally completely surrounded them in the forest and so they were just fucking stuck dead to rights. Yeah. But now, CLYDE had a choice to make remember Bonnie could barely walk. She still recovering from the birth. So is he caring her? This is carrying the whole time. So now he was faced with the decision to try to save his dying brother or his lover. Of course, he chose bonding. That's what happened Q number one crush by garbage as he looks across big Caesar's. This is where it gets very, very sensual. Unlike means Shirley Manson have nipples. Look, we say nipple to look again. Also, we are exposed to there's two windows. The go rhino three we're flashing them his breasts. Him. Langa. But the thing was is that book kept fighting, even though he was on the ground laid out. He was laying down on the mucks. He had a handgun with him and he still firing shots out capacity. Brand to them half. He only stopped when he was shot many more times in the body, including bullets in his chest. But still buck did not die. What? Okay. We're the bullets just gummy. Bears back I elderly survived this. I think it does speak to the quality of bullets bust. Right. Because they have to just be kinda saw over. Honestly. It's just we were bags of meat. It's hard to drain us. Yeah. Yeah. If you, if you somehow miss a lot of like the main arteries, and if you're if you have that adrenaline going hard enough, you're gonna keep going. He's like the night in life of Brian holiday. Great them the holy grail. Wow. So in the posse finally got to blanche and buck because blanche was just laying down on the ground next to buck. She wouldn't leave his side. Okay. They separated buck from his wife and arrested them, both in his blanche was being taken away a photographer from a demo- newspaper raised his camera to take a photo. Now blanche was more than half blind from. All the glass in her eyes, but she could still make out shapes. So when the photographer raised his camera she screamed because she thought he was raising a gun to execute her on the spot. And now that's a famous photo photos of using because you see her like it is her mid scream and buck is just a sensually coleslaw nearby. Right. So blanche was taken to jail and buck was taken to the hospital bucks survived for another five day. This is ridiculous. This is absolutely ridiculous. At one point his brain came out of his head is entire brain with a little white flag real and just said cannot go. I'm just a hostage. I didn't rob any of these pranks. And that was long enough for Kumi barrow to drive up and say goodbye in buck did not die from the gunshot wounds. He died from new Monja after a surgery to remove the bullet from his chest. The doctors did it. Push comes to shove. It was still a malpractice lawsuit to happen. Even so the barrow family held up on buying a headstone for buck because they were so sure that CLYDE was going to die soon after that they figured it'd be best save money and just buy one for both. Yeah. That actually makes sense. It's always good to think about sales at this point that works. Meanwhile, Bonnie CLYDE and WD had gotten away yet again, immediately after the shootout. They made their way to a nearby farm where they were met by nineteen year old marvel feller who is up for a five AM cow milk concession. Oh, yes. How do you milk all those cows with no arm? Do fate mouth. Yeah, I'll get down there. Then you spit it into a book. That's how seem to like it better. When you swallow. Morville said that by that time WD had taken over carrying Bonnie because remember CLYDE had been shot in the arm. Oh my God. Ambani's nightgown was stained with blood 'cause she'd gotten a buckshot wound to the stomach money had been shot as well. So no bonds on a she's her leg is still burned to the bone now now she's got a buckshot and we've got one shot in the arm for boy, CLYDE, w days WD's been shot in the face. Jeez crew. Honestly, they did live and escaped they managed to be completely surrounded by fifty people I escaped from an armored car a dozen be a ours. Unin surrounded these guys, but this point are living up to the word about them about how they are unstoppable, and it doesn't seem like the Bank robbery was really what so legendary it really is just them living this long. It's the escape. Yeah. Pretty soon though the remaining gang was back. On the road, driving fellers Plymouth again bonding CLYDE gotten away, but at even greater cost buck was dead. Blanche was captured in blind WD gotten shot in the face, Clyde's arm was broken by a bullet and Bonnie was picking buckshot out of her belly. They were fucked on their clothes have been so soaked, with blood that they had to take sheets from the feller house and cut holes for their heads to poke through. And they had to wear those sheets until they could buy new clothes, and the best part. Now's and these office, who get caught. We people or to think that we're go. Yeah. Or klinsman. Meanwhile, blanche was getting visitor in jail who else had shown up to personally? Interrogate blanche barrow, but J Edgar Hoover yet. The well you know, he's common you can hear the click. He comes any takes off, as earrings now things about Sarah takes off his wig. Mike. And blanche later said that j Edgar Hoover threatened to gouge out her. One, good I if she didn't tell him what he wanted to know. I don't know so out of character for such a sensitive Mace got the most the blanche could give him was the name of the mysterious fifth member of the gang WD Jones, who up to that point been nothing more than an unnamed companion. No one knew who. WD was this entire time? But now fucking everybody knew g a girl, Hoover, new Jaeger Hoover new, it went out to the press. It was released like it is now like it is WD Jones, Bonnie Parker and CLYDE barrow out on the road. All right. But after blanche talked she was charged with assault with intent to kill in was sentenced to ten years in Missouri state prison. Actually that's not that bad of a sentence. She it was vaguely fair for her. Yeah. As far as WD went though, he made good on his promise to leave the gang. He got the fuck out of there after helping Bonnie. Clyde restock. Their arsenal. WD stuck around long enough where they could fend for themselves. Then he went back home. He'd eventually get picked up. And he only did fifteen years oak of his part in the barrow, gang bet. Yeah. I mean it is that is lenient. Yeah. Well, so it was back to just Bonnie and CLYDE, but after escaping to huge shootouts Bonnie and CLYDE were more famous than ever so they were able to easily recruit to prison. Escapees named Henry bassin gal and doc, Potter. Cool out the ranks names are awesome. But honestly, you hear all the shit about Bonnie and CLYDE, they came killed by the police. They are, they're the fucking they go anywhere and steal from anybody. And then you meet them, and it's who's a one armed five foot four, man, who's all hat, and bunny, Clem body, who is essentially quavo, from totally. She's cute. Sure he said, honestly, though, by this time, her looks at the with the Sinn fortunately, her time on the road at made her looks completely road, by the time she got to this point. She looked like she was ten years older than she was together the fifth iteration of the barrow gang headed out to Oklahoma to rob a Bank, and they failed miserably once again because of a lack of preparation. They arrived to find the entire state on high alert because a massive prison break had set all of Oklahoma on edge. Do a little bit of recon gang was chased for four hours in CLYDE had to steal four cars in one day to escape. Finally, they got stuck in the mud in massing Gail. He set off alone on foot, but he got taken down by a couple of old ladies with croquet mallets and got sent to prison for twenty years, who was that, who that was Henry Mascow. He was like the new member of the body. This guy that came in, like thinking, I've hooked up with John Dillinger. I've hooked up with pretty boy Floyd is going to be fucking on easy street. And then two days later, he gets taken down a couple of fucking old ladies with piece of wood. Tucker sentenced. The w did did go. My goodness. Doc Potter got away, but he like HALE. And hearty, realized that Bonnie, and CLYDE, they would just hype like, that's all bony. And CLYDE war was just hundred percent hype it was backed on the Bonnie and CLYDE, and it was a good thing for Potter. They left because the barrows were about to have another near miss see law enforcement knew the Bonnie and CLYDE were still in and out of west Alice and share of Smoot Schmid and given up on his grudge. All he needed was to know win, and where to find him on November twenty second nineteen thirty-three informant finally gave smooth the information he needed, but nobody knows who that informant was although Jeff Guinn has to pretty good guesses. The smart money was on Joe Bill Francis who is engaged to CLYDE sister. Marie never trust anybody with three. I never heard of that three first names. See Joe Bill was a bit of a son of a bitch in what turned in Bonn. Clyde, just for the reward money. The other possibility was that Billie Jean Parker, Bonnie sister tipped off the sheriff's department in exchange for a light sentence for Bonnie. But the suffering Bonnie was going through who's getting just too much for sister bear. Had several family conferences. Were, they straight up were like, please stop in one point, even CLYDE barrow asked her to please leave the gang like will you do this, there is these, these moments when they did these big family visits? They all begged her to stop. Because at this point, she wasn't even adding to the gang, but she wouldn't leave Claude. Okay. So Bonnie's in it for life, either way, when Bonnie and CLYDE, showed up in west Dallas for cume barrows birthday in November of nineteen thirty three Smoot Schmid was waiting with deputies Bob Alcorn, Ed caster in Ted Hinton, and Ted actually knew Bonnie from her waitressing days. Ted was a regular okay, but his Bonnie and CLYDE arrived at the agreed upon meeting spot, CLYDE, spider sense tangling spider him. He didn't know why. But for some reason, the meat just didn't feel right? So CLYDE kept driving the posse still opened. Fire is Bonnie and CLYDE drove past. And they almost shot cue me barrow in the process. Oh, well Schmidt kept yelling how. Interesting. Yeah. Just about the most futile fucking gesture you could imagine. We know pedophile don't have that spider ham sense because none of them, realized Chris Hansen was in that house, during to catch a printer, you know, unbeknownst to the posse though, one of those shots connected a bullet had passed through the car door, and it hit both Bonnie and CLYDE in the lex Lou his bullet. Same bullet one bullet went through the cook 'cause they were not fucking around. They weren't. Yeah. That was probably be a are something very high Cal. But so wounded again again. Yeah, the pair went to a crooked doctor in Oklahoma and got fixed up. And this would be such an embarrassment for schmooze. This was a massive embarrassment because it's again you failed again he lost him again. And was immediately blown up like Bonnie and CLYDE can't be caught. I mean I get it in the world if we lived in the dukes of hazzard world scene. Boss, hogg. Stop on his hand. It's kind of fun. Well, it was wild Bonnie. And CLYDE were in Oklahoma, though, that they figured it'd be all right to swing by and seek some sanctuary with pretty boy Floyd because it was an open secret that pretty headquarters were in Sallisaw, a pretty boy, Floyd had a decidedly low opinion of Bonnie and CLYDE, but not because they were small timers in Floyd's words, Bonnie and CLYDE, or two careless with the lives of civilians which was a fair opinion have. Absolutely. But Floyd sister-in-law didn't know this and welcome welcome them to the Floyd home, because in her opinion they looked like dog shit. There were filthy from bathing muddy streams emaciated from eating fuck, and nothing. But weenies and they were bandaged from multiple gunshot wounds burns and what have us she's cry. It must smell like the mummy like. The gas station. Now the only stayed a night or two. But when Floyd found out that they'd come by because Floyd wasn't there at the time he told his family to never help them again saying, quote at they don't like it. They can look me up cool is he them? That's cool. Now, probably goes without saying that Bonnie CLYDE or at a bit of a low point in their career. That's fair assessment. Yeah. They're definitely at their, I would say the second interational talk soup. Michael Jordan plane for the wizards phase. Yeah, but strangely, what would lift them back up was a plan from clydes past that just about everyone thought was a non starter. They thought it was never gonna happen. And it was just by in the sky to eastern prison break. Yeah. As we mentioned earlier, Raymond Hamilton had received a ninety nine year sentence for the murder of Jon butcher, and Raymond Hamilton hit ended up at Eastham and CLYDE, hadn't forgot about his promise to break, Raymond free and in January of nineteen thirty four Raymond got word to Bonnie and CLYDE that he was ready to go. The plan was to have Raymond's brother Floyd plant a couple of pistols under a bridge near a back road for the prisoners were clearing out brush, then on the agreed upon day, Raymond Hamilton and his friend. This guy named Joe Palmer would grab the guns get the drop on the guards and meet, CLYDE, nearby in an escape car. Okay. It's pricing -ly. They. Pulled it off. Surely worked CLYDE agreed. He's like because you didn't want to be fully involved. He's just be me and I will just all. I do is drive. That's all I do. I have one job just like fucking Ryan Muslim. Yeah. In the movie, say anything Dr he didn't have to know he was just body spoke for the jacket and the jacket spoken and he drive. Drove Joe Palmer and Raymond Hamilton shot and killed two guards before running into the woods followed by prisoners Hilton Bobby j b Franch and Henry method right Methuen. Wasn't a part of the original break plan, but CLYDE have been having romantic ideas about an eastern pray for years. So he likes the idea bringing along one more guy who just to add the balls to run is romantic agitate for that. Yeah. Yeah. It's a it's a romantic idea. Yeah. Romance romantic doesn't just mean fucking doesn't just mean it can also mean like a high falutin sort of pie in the sky. It's also a beautiful idea. And you think that it's more perfect than it is. And you think that again, will I was saying before, we're CLYDE barrow believes that this is the thing that makes him a good guy. He goes and he can really fucking like he'll, he'll fucking. Give something the American punishment system. Yeah. American punishments starting. This also south romantic American punishment can find it on kink duck. Oh, yeah. So methane win the trunk and the car made a clean getaway. Nice. But all this came at a gigantic cost, although the prison break had filled the barrows gangs ranks with experienced criminals, both the break at Eastham and the inclusion of Henry meth, then would be the beginning of the end. That's because the eastern break introduced legendary Texas ranger Frank Hamer into the story now. If anyone got a raw deal in the nineteen sixty seven Bonnie, and CLYDE movie it was Frank Hamer in the movie he's portrayed as a kind of bumbling boss, Hoss, type character, humiliatingly chasing Bonnie and CLYDE around the country while they laugh in his face, and call him an idiot in a need now Hamer was so provable different from that portrayal that his family sued Warner Brothers for defamation of character. After the movie was released and got a tidy settlement for trouble Tayo. Right. All of the Hamer's were very serious. Yeah. It's like it in reality. Frank Hamer was what you would call. The original Texas law. Man. He's the person that Texans aspire to be. He's Frank humor is the romantic ideal of what Texan is. But very few actually, your truly in love with Frank Franken. I love Frank Frank Cambridge fucking great. He certainly wasn't perfect. But Frank Hamer was a shining example of heroism honor injustice in a time and place where all three were in very short supply was that Chuck Norris show where you Texas Walker. Chuck Norris as a piece of shit. Sometimes we opened up a Pandora's box. With the with fourteen got upset, even though I didn't know was at target for five foot thought that was a fun show. Because Texas ranger in your from Texas. I thought you might this is doing mean to ruin the day. Break. Hamer had been in the Texas Rangers since nineteen. Oh, six after a track down a horse thief, just because he wanted to, and there was nary a time for the next thirty years. Frank came or wasn't in the service of the law. And if there's one thing Frank Hamer believed in it was the law, particularly the fair and equal protection of all people under the law, regardless of race which in early twentieth century, Texas was a stance that was not only just unusual, but highly fucking dangerous. Things had not really changed all that much, if you think when did slavery and eighteen sixty four so it's forty years ago. Yeah. Oh, yeah. Frank Hamer stopped, countless racially motivated, lynchings and Texas. Oftentimes singlehandedly facing down mobs of fifty people or more. One time he snuck to prisoners out of the back of the jail and hid with them in alligator in an alligator infested swamp all night. Face down in the mud and tell the mob, moved on KOA bars. You gotta think like a log. The. Allow nice and people are so crazy in mobs. Madame mob mentality is forever horrified. Well, another time Hamer walked through an old school, torches and pitchforks mob, just kicking people who got in the way into the shins with us, high pointed boots? Get outta here. I'm going to be quicken if you going to be spending around kicking, you're going Keith. I love Texas kick man. Very good. Well, most of the time like these mob, assholes, they would just back down on Hamer say-so like he had that much of a present. He's a big guy. Right. He was big. Yeah. He was about six three six four that in that time my side. Yeah. Yeah. Now Hamer had actually got talked into joining the Ku Klux Klan in the early twenty killed me this group, your it has both dragons and wizards. That's incredible. Only seen fantasy novels in Harrow wish to be an elf. But not fair enough to be one of the beautiful Levin, Elvis of distant hills. Galet drew. This is back before anyone really knew who the KKK was this was kind of in the resurgence in the twenties. Okay. But Hamer was told that they were like a booster club. That was a booster Kluwer there to eight law enforcement. So. Shit. We need we need all the help, we can get. That's great. Yeah. But during the first and only meeting Hamer attended the grand wizard, started off by laying out a plan to tar and feather, a local sex work, dude. Ease me. Okay. Wow. Do we go to start at one of the extreme plants kit? We talk about making costumes. Leave them alone, Amer's up, walk to the center of the hall, and told him that if they dared fucking do they even thought about doing it Heathrow everyman in that room in jail. And what's that Hamer became a lifelong enemy of the KKK? He battled them his entire fucking career, but Frank Hamer also wasn't afraid to use his gun far from it by the end of his career. Frank Hamer had killed fifty three men in the line of duty. And had been wounded seventeen times tells me earlier generations of men were tougher. Maybe what did they? I don't know but because all of this sound so like law. You mean to tell me you never stayed at the W this whole time? What is his medallion? That's what's his delta. Medallion. Fact Frank camera used to tell new recruits, the best way to enforce the law was with forty five slug to the. Oh my, but it wasn't like he was trigger happy. Remember this was a time when every one in Texas was armed. Yeah. Sounds like he was very trigger serious. We'll talk about how many men he'd killed Hamer said this, and this is a direct quote, the Muna have shot down of all been criminals in the act of commitment, a crime over assistant wrist. I'm hired to do that work. It's my job. Do it because I have to I don't like to talk about it. All think about it. It is something to be forgotten man talk. Just real, mantle. I really do. Just see him just sort of taking off his pants because he wants to sit down, and he rest them nice over the chairs and they don't crease. Yeah. Seems like that kind of guy very much. So, and I and in full disclosure, I have this respect for Frank Hamer knowing full, well, that he shot and killed my great, great, uncle, g MC means during the SIMS Johnson more of nineteen seventy my goodness. Texas silver really bullshit. The river of time into every time we talk about this shoot. It's all just deep Texas fantasy book. It really is. So it was your great great, great on knows my great, great uncle. Great grade on. It was my grandfather's uncle. Oh, okay. Yeah. Who'll yeah. Mcq means is my mother's maiden name. I like MC mean it's a good one who will name good name for football player. Yeah. Now, the SIMS Johnson wars, far too complicated for us to go into but to make short the war was a blood feud with Frank came or working as a bodyguard for the Johnsons because he was married to a Johnson. And my great, great uncle g who was also a Texas ranger married to a sim fight all the time. It was a blood view. Don't you? It's extremely, it's extremely complicated. Like I can't go into the SIMS Johnson were at all happening, all happen in Garza county outside of post near Claremont all it, yeah. It's all about, like lost my shovel. It's, it's very complicated. It's, it's blood feud shit. You know, it's always won awards blow like we are supposed to head to diet cokes. Refrigerator, and now there is no every day, I have a diet coke in a way to work because I love you wanna have a blood for you. We love you. G tried to get in the drop on Hamer and even managed to shoot Hamer in the shoulder, but Hamer pistol whipped monkey, and send them running Hamer gave chase. And, and women means got to his car and pulled out a shotgun. Hamer bloom away, the inside information got from my family, though. Is that an assassin approached my great, great grandfather, a few days later and offered to take revenge on Frank Hamer for five hundred dollars? But my great, great grandfather was sick with the flu and died before he can give an answer, which ended my family's involvement in the Johnson SIMS war, flus, very dangerous in the story. So hey man, like in a KOMO no showed up like a man from the far east sword, whose, it is my great on so few to attack a man in his sleep isn't that kind of Sassan? No just an old, just some dude with the gun guy. I'm just yeah. Jio Bill just a random, dude. He I mean he is an assassin just because he doesn't have a sore doesn't mean he's not an assassin. He's a guy that goes to people and say, like one amended it seems like this. He wants to kill a man. I feel like that's a pre murderer where for me in Sassan has a sniper rifle in a billiard stick in. Tonio. Bandera desperado cool, but have my great, great grandfather said, yes, my family would have been pulled into the SIMS Johnson war, which would put the whole MC means family endanger, which means that Frank hammer could has severed my family's bloodline by possibly killing my great grandfather and I wouldn't be talking to you guys right now. This is like back to the future. Yeah. But at any rate, Frank Hamer been in and out. I just wanted to say. You know, it's, it's absolutely wonderful. I'm very happy that Frank him or did not kill your family. Yeah. That's all I wanted to hear. I'm really glad they didn't leave the Texas Terminator onto tire. Absolutely. Yes. But at any rate, Frank Hamer had been in and out of the Texas Rangers for years by the time, Bonnie and CLYDE came along. See for about one hundred years. The Texas Rangers reported directly to the governor of Texas that meant that the quality of the Texas Rangers depended heavily on who was in office at the time some governors took it seriously and filled the ranks with good cops, but others use it as an opportunity to trade political favors, and so- Rangers often came and went appending on who is giving orders from Austin at the time. And it just so happened, when Bonnie and CLYDE came along the Texas Rangers were full of incompetent lackeys of the famously corrupt Ma Ferguson, who made a nice little side, hustle, selling pardons. Who is the quote that Hamer had about the Texas Rangers? Is that what a man who was wrong? Never stand against a man who was right. That doesn't stop coming. Now, there's a myth that Frank Hamer quit. When Ma Ferguson was elected because he refused to take orders from a woman, but Frank Hamer had already worked for Ma Ferguson, during her first term in the mid twenty but Frank Hamer knew that there was about to be another politically motivated, ranger perch, common that meant that Frank was on his way out. He knew he was going to get fired anyway. Right. Right. So to stick it to the corrupt Ma Ferguson, Frank quit. And on the way out said, some Asada shit just to stick it to mall. All right. But when the eastern breakout occurred prison superintendent Lee Simmons, who was far crueler than he was weeping portrayed in the highwayman, by the guy who played mimi's husband of the drew Carey show, guy played them. Yeah. He was playing like weepy like off. Just don't know what's going to happen. Prison break happens. He was fucking psychopath with the bat. Yeah. Yeah. He was fucking off. It was a fight. I have no sympathy for Eddie. Eddie of those other funds. To the ground. Yeah. Mimi Bobek Stevens point, Wisconsin claim to fame. Also, we got Peter, Peter Weller. Yeah. From RoboCop and me cool. Oh, yeah. Le- Simmons could not let the prison break stand and Simmons could think of only one man who could finally come in and clean up the mess that Bonnie and CLYDE had made all over Texas prank gamer. Now, the pay wasn't close. Shows up. I don't really understand why you showed up Frank close. Though, the pay wasn't great. But the deal was finally cinched when Simmons agreed to let Hamer keep and sell anything. He might find on Bonnie and Clyde's person when he finally took them down. Hamer was also promised as much time as he needed to capture bonding CLYDE, and he got a sheri- Ma Ferguson was behind him. One hundred percent regardless, politics or their past. And once Frank Kamer was on their trail, Bonnie and CLYDE, had just a little more than three months to live Hamer's on it. Meanwhile, now the Bonnie and CLYDE had actual professionals in their gang. They were doing better than ever. They just started figuring it out the literally, the our dear fucked up beyond believe, right? But they are starting to get a system and starting to mature. Isn't that unfortunate who their first robbery scored thirty eight hundred dollars which works out to about seventy two grand today's money, but a big reason why the robberies went so smoothly was. Because it was Raymond Hamilton and Hilton Bibey doing the actual Bank robbing. They were hard, motherfuckers. Right. That should have been at the entire time, Bonnie. And CLYDE should have been the face this should've had actual people working. They are the producers. Yes, CLYDE, he was just the getaway driver, which was what he should have been doing the whole fucking thing was about CLYDE, those since family was so important to him. He didn't mind indulging the other members when they wanted to see their families kind of like, Dave, Thomas wouldn't anyway, eight, something about weed, what way. Yeah. Eight something about weed what way because Thomas was an orphan. He said his whole thing about was creating families within the Wendy's community encourage families to work at the restaurant. First of all, I have no idea of any of that is true. This is I mean, I know that he's an orphan did like families, but it is interesting to say did you go into Dave Thomas, like YouTube hole or something? If Thomas was a these David Copperfield of burgers. I did not know that you love the Thomas, the founder of Wendy's. I don't love him. I respect him. All right. He had a good idea and Iran with it square. Burgers, you gotta love it with the barrow gang started spending a lot of time in bien Ville parish, in Louisiana with the family of Henry Methuen now, although CLYDE, and Henry method didn't know each other before the break, they became fast, friends and Isam Henry had earned the nickname tushes hog with, who somehow a tribute to his toughness. It's interesting, but how now if you're in prison, and you got the nickname, hog, it'd be different different. It might be different because it's like I quit hogging all the right. Yeah. That can go in a whole series of different directions. No. Yeah. I, I own yeti of being up to your snout tush. Thanks seen the documents videos, and CLYDE, like Henry, a hell of a lot more than he liked Raymond Hamilton. See CLYDE, and Raymond Hamilton. We're still butting heads. And it only got worse when Raymond started bringing along his own body, a woman named mareo dare. Yes. I think button heads is actually how Henry got the name. Oh, yeah, Mary, but she had the bed there. There. DR didn't it? All of them. Mary, dare sounds like the perfect Bank robber girlfriend. She was really just a pain in the ass. She was a real, Nancy Spungen. Yeah. See, Bonnie, totally understood that life on the road is heart. Bonnie didn't complain but Mary, oh dare spent her whole time pissing and moaning because they weren't going out to dinner at fancy places and dancing in nightclubs every night, like she thought a glamorous criminal gang show. I mean, honestly, she's what all of us would be doing. Yeah. I'm not I'm not too Shaw. No, right. No, we're not doing that. No. But she I don't know what she thought the idea of, like, why would you go to a famous nightclub? If you're on the run from the law, right? Go to these places that thing about celebrity. I think she had like a Hollywood version in our like she was watching all these movies, like angels, dirty faces and stuff like that, where she sees all these criminals hanging out nice suits. They've all got MARTINI glasses. And they're all having a wonderful time. And Mary dare thout thought, that's what life in the barrow gang was going to be. But it is just convenient weenies and bathing literally is someone who wants to get into the porno industry, the sex work industry, and they just like go out to LA, and they're like, this is going to be just like boogie nights, and they're like, did you finish the movie, and then they're like the first half? But CLYDE was stuck with Mary dare. Because Raymond was pretty much the only one of the gang who really knew what they were doing. But finally, Mary went too far when she tried to get rid of, CLYDE, Mary, really liked Bonnie. The Mary didn't like piss off Bondi one night after Bonnie and CLYDE got new, particularly bad fight. Mary tried to convince Bani to slip, CLYDE, a Mickey and leave him behind to form a new gang with Mary, and Raymond. Yeah, that's a bad look dude via hose. Bondi is fucking a loyal. Forget. She is a fucking little serpent like some point. She's just like what no. No. You just say do what to and then, you know, Mary oh, dares thing, and they're just having fun. All of a sudden, click click her fucking is change. Will that's what people gotta realize when you're in a battle, when you're in War, I mean, obviously, we haven't been in gunfights together. But we've gone through a lot together and we can make fun of each other. But when some of the outside says something, it's just like, no, no. You don't get to do that. You like your fucking kneecap. You literally just started in this gang. No. Well after that, CLYDE told Raymond and Mary to fuck off and CLYDE, and Raymond never worked together again. They might have crossed paths, again, if not for the fact that Bonnie and CLYDE, we're going to be dead. Very soon they had to know this was coming though, right? Well, they technically in a way hoped it would happen because that's how all of these stories end in glory. I mean, Bonnie had always other whole side plan, where she thought that they would retire the hills, and they would do all the shit that was not gonna fucking happen, because CLYDE didn't know how to live another life right right now. But at this point are they pretty well healed up for the most part. I mean Bonnie's Bonnie is healed up. She can like kinda hop along. They're not like they don't have gaping wounds anymore. Okay. But yeah, they are healed up enough. Yeah. They're not hill ghouls. They are just aft up. Frank Hamer was hot on their trail working in total secrecy, Hamer traced, Bonnie and CLYDE, steps, sometimes sleeping in his car and eating canned food, and hot dogs in an attempt to get an CLYDE barrows head. He went into full Christian bale method acting raises being like first thing on good. Do Tom leg up to my but. Magin just getting into Phil Hamer's Uber this after he's been there for eighteen hours eating sausages. Stink to right. Were out like flies. The myth is the hammered did this for the entire three months that he chased them really Hamer was still going back home for his wife, gladys's cook. And every once in a while Christian bale he is Batman, onset all day, but he still has like a nutritious, and he's still go to the funk and GM. He's still got like a couple of calls he's going to have to take where he does have to be like. I would put a travel notice on my debit. Cool, who's playing the new Batman, Robert Patterson. I'm excited for it. It'll be five. Yeah. And I'm gonna be penguin, the ground swell is enough. Bind me. I saw at least eight retweets. But the interesting thing about Hamer is that while he started off with a horse in a six shooter in nineteen o six he was a full on detective by the time he started chasing, Bonnie, and CLYDE, who I in ballistics fingerprints, and criminal psychology. So using those instincts Hamer started following leads, particularly leads that sprung from the eastern prison break teaming up with some of the Dallas deputies who've been trying to catch the barrow gang for years Hamer win to Louisiana. See, for the most part, and CLYDE, had steer clear of Louis theon when it came to their crimes, which meant that criminal investigations concerning Bonnie and CLYDE were non-existent when it came to that state. But Hamer figure that the lack of investigation actually made it the perfect place to investigate right in his hunch turned out to be correct in looking into the lives of some of the criminals involved in the prison break Hamer discover that although Henry method wasn't originally from Louisiana that was where his family. Now lived specifically they lived in bien, fell perish so Hamer keeping the lowest possible profile traveled to be invoked parish and contacted sheriff Henderson, Jordan and told him to give Hamer ring should Bonnie and CLYDE ever show up pretty soon after that sheriff Jordan got a call from Henry methods father, I, then the methods were not well liked in bien, fell perish Ivy was a mean drunk and his wife Eva was just as bad. I like it when there's two mean drunk on, right? Yeah. But despite their shortcomings, still loved their son, Henry. And they wanted to do everything they could to rescue Henry from the troubles, he got himself into. So I've method told sheriff Jordan, that he'd gladly turnover Bonnie and CLYDE, just so long. As Henry got a pardon for any and all crimes he committed in the state of Texas. Oh, right. Absolutely. Oh, yeah. I mean, that's what they do. Because Texas will just gladly pardon you this point in time. And then, of course, he could. Work as a tushes, hog dancing, his entire life, teach to Shaw Garing. At a local university offers. So Jordan called up Hamer and Hamer agreed. Because Hamer had pretty much been given carte blanche to do whatever he wanted by mau- Ferguson, Joe so long as Hamer brought in Bonnie and CLYDE. But this at this point, he so deep into his method copping that he is in swamp. Driss furred. Back and forth, his like they come like Frank, Frank. Don't call me Frank Cole me, Mr. plane. But plan, so talk Frank, I'm gonna shoot you wouldn't have got. But right around that time Henry will be directly responsible for a crime, that would almost sink the whole deal, and that same act would also turn the tide of public opinion concerning America's favorite outlaw couple. So they're still getting cheers in the streets up to this point. Yep. Okay. On Easter Sunday. Nineteen thirty four Bonnie, CLYDE, barrow, gang member, Joe Palmer and Henry method were on their way to west Dallas to spend a nice afternoon with the barrow and Parker families. Bonnie had even brought along a little pet rabbit to give to her mother, which Bonnie had named Sonny boy, I will say a rabbit's terrible gift boop. Lot. Are they when we had a rabbit for short period of time? I loved Philip, and he was a lovely rabbit, rabbit named rusty. Everything is covered in shit. Yes, by and they do by small pellets. Yeah. So once the barrow gang got close, Joe was sentenced Tom to give instructions to the families on winning where to meet in the meantime, Bonnie, CLYDE, and. Henry method or waiting on the side of the road on highway one fourteen just north of grapevine for Palmer to return. It's at this point, the two motorcycle cops twenty six year old e b Wheeler and twenty four year old HD Murphy spotted the trio and decided to investigate. And once again, the woefully underprepared cops had new idea who they were approach. And when CLYDE spotted them coming, he turned a Henry method and said, let's take them, but it's important, which we now have discussed a group if you have a criminal, gang you need all get on the same get on the same page. Right. Well, what the terms mean what's the slang are we talking about here because to CLYDE, this meant, let's take them hostage in dump them down the road somewhere, then get the hell out of dodge? Okay, which was the same thing. The barrow gang had done half a dozen times before. It's like when we say, we want to record a podcast, but we say we want to toss a lube. Yeah. That's right. We always say toss a lewke. I think that's how you become a hog. But Henry was new to the gang. He hadn't been on the road with, CLYDE and buck in WD back when they did shit like that all the time. Plus Mefin was drunk and meth and got drunk, he got aggressive. Yeah. So when CLYDE said, let's take him what Henry heard was let's kill 'em. So when one of the cops got off their bike and approach the car, Henry whipped out a B, A R and fired without warning hitting e b Wheeler in the chest and killing him instantly, as far as the other cop went it was his first day on patrol in he hadn't even loaded his shock on or even gotten off his bike yet. Because it's just like. Like this wild gun. And as he fumbled for the shells, CLYDE, he knew they'd cross the point of no return. He just took the q and CLYDE blast of the rookie with the shock killed him as well. I mean, I guess at that point. Is just like it was, like, all right. Well, now we got either, we do this, or we die then Henry walked up to both cops and fired a few more shots into their prone bodies to make sure they were dead, or at least that's one version of the story, although it's the one most likely old man Schaefer, told a different story, William Schafer, who was watching from his front porch half a mile away, went on record with both the press, and the police saying that he personally saw Bonnie deliver the kill shots while the cops were laying on the ground, Bonnie deliver the kill shot who has one leg. Yes. But that wasn't the story told by Mr. and MRs Fred giggle, giggle. It's a sad thing I've ever seen his shot young Cup, right? In the did taking this very seriously. I am more upset than you can move. The giggles had been out for a Sunday drive. And they were much closer to the scene than old man Shaffer and the story, the giggles told matches up with what CLYDE later told his family, okay, regardless, though, Shaffer story old man Schafer that was the one. The press went with and movie theaters across the country showed newsreels of old men, Schaefer, colorfully, reenacting, the scene in his front yard, wouldn't believe it. She came out to cardis, boom. He brisk shown expose and then she put the gun in her Jen. He went cookies. And then clot took off the drifts in the two of them start making love into ditch. And that's when I entered NAS it can, I want pot said, let me walk nixing on no work. Cornhole each other, while the radio's playing started rain in right? And that was one of the best days of. As a journalist, I know that you're lying, but also as journalist, that's the story we're going to. That's the story. We're gonna go with things. Looked even worse for the barrow gang when it was revealed. The officer Murphy was just two weeks from his wedding and shit. Got real bad. When his fiancee showed up to Murphy's funeral in her goddamn wedding. It's like November rain is like literally is November rain. Yeah. Oh man. Furthermore, the cops had a vested interest in Bonnie and CLYDE being the sole murderers here the wheels for Henry methods pardon. We're already turning. And if it came out that Henry method was a murderer at might put a Khyber on Frank Hamer's whole operation. So he got away with one. He got away with now the public, and always assumed that CLYDE was a straight psychopath, but that image had always been tempered by Bonnie who'd always seem like a good time girl along for the ride, right? As such if Bonnie ever turned herself in or was caught. It was assumed that she get off with a relatively light prison sentence. Maybe ten years fifteen but all that changed after what came to be known as bloody Easter. Now, you had oh men Schafer's image of Bonnie, murdering an honest young cop with shock gun, laughing and saying, look at how as head bounces. So Vanni was caught. She was going to the fuck and chair Ma. Ferguson, even put a price on Bonnie's head for the first time, offering five hundred dollars each for Bonnie and CLYDE, but the barrow gang wasn't done, just yet five days after bloody Easter Bonnie, CLYDE, Henry and the rabbit got stuck in the mud, once again after some heavy Oklahoma rains, they'll tell you, what that rabbit was the actual psychopath. Lou at a little grenade up. It's asshole. I've seen Donnie Darko. I know how it goes. So the gang decided to just sleep in the car and wait for the road to solidify. And that's how officers Percy Boyd and Cal Campbell found them the cups thought they just found a car loaded drunks in the barrow gang saw the cops approaching CLYDE tried to get away, but the road was still wet, so the tires sunk down to the rims Cal Campbell was just an old man who taken up a constable job to shore up some of his losses in the depression because he was barely trained. If at all he was a little jumped. He thought he saw someone go for a gun so Campbell drew is piddly, little pistol, and fired. Of course, the barrow gang responded with rifle bullets severed Campbell's aorta, and he died shortly thereafter and the barrows hit Boyd as well. But decided to take him hostage. Instead of finishing them off the problem is that. The car was still stuck in the mud to there's a lot of logistics. Yeah. Always with Bonnie and CLYDE. Absolutely. Luckily, though, this is a relatively populous area. So when the shooting started a few farmers came out of their houses to see what was going on. Nafta noticing them CLYDE, immediately drafted the farmers with his gun and got them to work on pushing out the car leaderships, delegation. I guess, so and anytime a motorist stopped to see if they could help CLYDE pointed his rifle in their direction and made them get out of their car, and help as well. It wasn't until a man named Charlie Dobson came by with a chain. And a truck that the Ford V eight finally got free, the whole thing had taken about forty minute. Okay. A whole time the corpse of this old man sit in the road, right next to shoes, but only a few miles away, the barrow gang found the road blocked by two more cars stuck in the mud as well. Oh, my goodness, is such a pain. Goddamn. It just nothing's easy. You remember they haven't stopped. There's been this is another week just constant movement. This is five days after the la- after bloody eastern they've been on the road, the whole fucking time. And so, when the other two were, they found the other two car stuck in the mud CLYDE, and Henry got out and help them push the cars out of the way this whole time officer Boyd was tied up in the car with Bonnie and when Boyd was dropped off a few hours later. He said that he was totally convinced the Bonnie and CLYDE, or not cold blooded, murderers, although, there may have been a little Stockholm syndrome at work here. Boyd said he was convinced. They were just dumb kids drowning in the defend. And he kinda even forgive them for killing his partner. There was a it was the first day on the job. I partner they didn't have a chance to Bont. When they let Boyd go. He has Bonnie, if there was anything she wanted to tell the press on behalf of the barrow, gang and Bonnie's, only statement was this, tell them I don't smoke cigars, ma'am, that is the least of what they're saying about you the papers, they said that you're a merger in you're hanging out with, like, a, a rapist. I'm no Kevin Spacey. I don't smoke cigars. I don't think. And still this whole time, the state of Texas was working on a pardon for Henry method, despite the fact that he'd been involved in two murders. It seems like he was the most aggressive one. Yes. Very much. So, by this time it was well known that Frank Hamer was on the trail after Bloody Sunday, Hamer put together a posse. And since the Texas government had to look like it was doing something they released Hamer's involvement to the press, which is he was trying to keep as quiet as possible for so long because he knew the longer use operating silent. Silence secrecy without them knowing that he was on this trail, then Huby able to catch up to them easy. But the fact that Frank hammer was on the trail didn't really bother Bonnie and CLYDE could be that they were too young to know just how legendary Frank hammer was because Frank Aamer was a celebrity could also be they figure one more cop who gives a shit. There's already a thousand cops after us right now who gives us ship. One more guy, but he didn't understand. It was fucking. It is. Steven Seagal, but from under siege not in real life. That's good. Yeah. That's good under Steven Seagal, very bad back when he was thin kind of Frank camers, original plan was to take Bonnie and CLYDE alive. And this is despite the fact that the barrow gang notoriously never surrendered no matter what the situation and really Frank hammer, was by no means a stranger to shooting. I asking questions later, his real issue was that he didn't wanna have to kill a woman. So it's, it's very weird. It's very old. Very old school, Texas honored, like I don't wanna shoot a woman viewed Bonnie as not a woman viewed her as a syphilis ridden gargoyles, that was the whole thing that anybody any woman that consorted with criminals like this to be like, property of the gang. And that's all she did. And obviously a lot of slut shaming involved. Well, that's what a lot of the Dallas. Police Frank Hamer was just pretty much like. No, she's just a person. I don't wanna shoot a woman, she's a criminal like all the rest like you didn't really pay attention to. A lot of the like the more like personal stuff that didn't really matter. He's like, I don't fucking care. No. He's she's killed. She's been involved in the deaths of think eight police officers at this point. Yeah. I don't think frac- Hamer is going to be like, do you think that Meghan Markle cheatin on? Well, the thing is, is original plan skirted the inevitability of murdering Bonnie and CLYDE soon. The barrow gang came to be involved perished of Henry methods family. They didn't stay with the methods. They stayed in an old abandoned house, which was fairly easy to do since the countryside was littered with foreclosed homes. Oh, okay. So Franks plan was to figure out where they were going to sleep beforehand. Sneak in while the gang was asleep pistol whip submission kick their guns away and take them in. Let me see those kneecaps shins among go, there just attorneys leg I've ever seen on a woman pulled a little bit fun. The leg. But it soon became clear to Hamer that this wasn't going to be an option. The biggest problem was that it was damn near impossible to tell win the barrow gang was staying the night or win. They were just passing through. And after the barrow gang killed Cal Campbell him renewed that the longer the barrow gang was out there, the more dead cops that we're going to be laying in the ditches of Texas and Oklahoma. Yeah. You wanna kinda void that I think. Yeah he just wanted to get him. The fuck off the road, no matter what the cost, right? Okay. So he got a switch cheese. He's going away from his more passive ways. Yeah. So Frank figured the only way to take him down was good old-fashioned ambush. The plan was fairly simple. I they had to make sure Henry method wasn't anywhere near Bonnie and CLYDE with the ambush occurred. Because Frank Hamer prided himself on never going back on his word. He always said every time made a deal with the criminal doesn't matter, who is doesn't matter what he did, if he made a deal he was going to honor his word, tell big. Promise though. We'll see what happens. Honestly. This is getting me really excited for rob zombies three from hell for some reason. Support for that really. So Durham, one of the quick visits. Ivy method took his son aside and told him about the deal. A Henry was a little incredulous at first, but it didn't take him long to accept the fact that he could either live with the betrayal, or die with Bonnie and CLYDE because he wasn't codependent on body incline. And I imagine he's watching them fuck all time or do you know have ship, it shit uses to kinda third wheel second part of Hamer's plan was to make sure that the barrow gang came to see bien envel- as a safe haven, and this is how Hamer actually used the press to his advantage. He deliberately made it look like he was focusing on Arkansas, Missouri. Texas and Oklahoma mart any may damn sure no once on in Louisiana, put on this wig, this fancy dress and again, completely blend in see my ample bosom married, local, businessman, who's taken care of me in our two children learned that from watching John candy arm. Dangerous refill that way, the barrow gang would start to think of bien Ville, as a place where they could drop their guard in so on the weekend of may nineteenth Frank Hamer got word that Bonnie and CLYDE were in bien Ville for an extended stay as soon as he heard Hamer put together a posse of six men including himself his buddy from the Texas Rangers. Manny Gault deputies Hinton and Alcorn in Dallas we're able to give positive idea, Bonnie and CLYDE and deputy Oakley and sheriff Jordan from the envelope perish and spider ham. Peter Porco doing. That is I was into comedy comic books I've ever liked funny books, but I did like spider variety was so cute. As plan Henry Mathon disappeared from the gang soon after arriving, and Bienvenue, tell them Bonnie, and CLYDE us going to go see his cousin Willie and you can pick me up my dad's place later back in the day. Sigo senior cousin Willie used to be a tag used to be slaying for. Masturbated. Okay. Thank you. Willie public. Who in Bonnie and CLYDE, went to go fetch? Henry Methuen Ivy told them that Henry wouldn't be back until the next day, nine AM must be a long masturbate. And as soon as Bonnie and CLYDE agreed to come back at the appointed time the trap was set. So Henry was all in Henry was all in exactly. What was happening the whole time he completely betrayed them? He completely fucked them over to save his own skin. I'm looking at both y'all right now. I don't know what I'll do. I don't know what my prices. It's like the end of the movie, the thing, I don't know which one of us will turn on the other. But in the end, it was good. Rod was into boys. Yeah. It was pretty fun. It was pretty fun bat night. The posse of six set up an ambush site on the road to Ivy methods house, sitting about ten feet apart. The posse was armed with lever action rifles. Thirty five caliber rifles made to kill big game. And of course BART's, but Hamer had the biggest guns of all he'd brought a twelve gauge shotgun. And a Colt monitor machine rifle with a twenty shot magazine known as one of the ultimate kill shot weapons due to their ability to punch through damn near anything nineteen thirties version of old painless. Represnents. Chong take. So Melissa will make you sick tyrannosaurus good the location of the ambush was just as important as the firepower they were using the place they set up camp was such that, while they could see anyone coming down the road whoever was coming down the road, couldn't see them and for bait the posse used who else, but old abbey meth and they had them pull his truck over to the side of the road, and remove a wheel, and they knew that CLYDE, had warm enough feelings for Ivy that he feel obliged to pull over and help so at eight AM that morning, nethon took the wheel office, truck and waited problem was plenty of friendly country folk were ready and willing to render system, you need help. We're doing a trap for law enforcement is your trapper me. I'm good. Good. Do you need? Help. For me. You're good. I just had to keep waving people. I'm good. I'm then ivy's real asshole tried to help him with his entire. He said, I wasn't even good enough to help you just after nine AM, though. The posse heard the high pitched wine of Ford V eight coming down the road. Now, Hamer had never actually seen body and CLYDE in the flesh until this moment, but Ted Hinton who knew Bonnie from her wages in days, he idea as soon as they were in sight. And as predicted when CLYDE saw that it was Ivy method on the side of the road. He slowed down to see how he could help. It was at this point. The Frank Hamer stood up. It was just about to give Bonnie and CLYDE the chance to surrender. But be invoked. Paris deputy Prentiss Oakley was understandably a little jumpy. Yeah. Given how many times Bonnie and CLYDE, had escaped and how many cups they had killed while they were escaping. Understandable. Oakley was also a crack shot, so with no prompting Oakley squeezed the trigger and sent a spray -able. It's flying towards the car one entered directly into the side of CLYDE barrows head killing him instantly. I really thought you were gonna say, then he lived for another eight months back on the road. He went back to school became. Wow. The men present said that the scream that came from Bonnie's mouth immediately afterward haunted them for year. Oh my God. But it was too late to stop as soon as Bonnie screamed clydes foot slipped off the clutch and the Ford started slowly moving forward. He was at that moment that everybody opened fire. Fucking crazy in sixteen seconds, the six lawmen pumped a hundred and fifty bullets into the car they ripped Bonnie to shreds. Then when the car stopped Hamer, walked up to the vehicle open the door and fired a few more shots in the body's just to make sure Ted Hinton said when they opened the doors Bonnie and CLYDE bodies looked like nothing more than wet red rags while sixteen seconds, ends this whole crazy tail and not a God, damn one of the cops helped Ivy meth and put the wheel back on the car. And when you Bill. Hey man, you asked me earlier, you come help me with God. So almost immediately Ted Hinton started filming the scene. A reporter had given him a sixteen millimeter movie, camera for when he finally got Bonnie. And CLYDE in Hinton had been carrying around this movie camera in the trunk of his car for seventeen months among Bonnie and clouds personal effects were three PR's to sawed off shotguns almost a dozen handguns two thousand rounds of ammo. Fifteen license plates suitcases full of clothes makeup fishing tackle roadmaps, a book called the saga of Billy, the kid true crime magazines featuring stories about themselves and a saxophone should the entire writer for the street band interesting. Oh my God. Frank Hamer took the guns, so he could sell them to true crime memorabilia, collectors, because I was already a big business and he took the tackle box for his own personal use as payment for job well done. So he just one. Lures of the thing. Lures this whole thing was a large play for him to lure the guns. Yeah. But he also this is just been hunting, these dudes, dresses, a plant for three weeks dressed, as a plan to that man for a woman. You know, I mean, we don't know if you see just saying stuff, but Bob Alcorn, he'd set the sacks. But he later felt guilty about it and returns this axe to the barrow family interesting. No word had spread fast and Bienvenue pairs Bonnie and CLYDE have been killed down the road. And pretty soon souvenir, hunters showed up trying to pry bullets at a tree trunks with pocket knives. One dude, even tried club cutting off clydes ear and his trigger finger, but was pulled back by the cops on the scene before he could do it. The most morbid thing that a few of managed to get was a lock of Bonnie's, bloody hair. I feel like this is an answer to how many times we've done interviews with journalists and shit where they ask. So why true crime now? It's been worse, actually. We just laugh and joke. No people used to go and try to cut the fingers off of dead criminals, so they can put it on their mantle. That is with the trigger finger, though. That's just distracted from body. What do you do with it? Look at it. Yeah. You look at it you pickle it. Okay. By that afternoon. The car with Bonnie and clouds, corpses still inside was towed to the nearby town of Arcadia, the only hitch came when the tow truck broke down in front of an elementary school, right in the middle of recess. Three of us were on that elementary school. Play grad we'd be like this. I got blood. Somehow, the cops were able to stop a throng of children, approaching the car, and one of the more curious kids, just reached up and pulled the sheets right off of the body. All these. So you guys getting the bodies of the funeral home was even more of a chore within hours of the ambush sixteen thousand people had gathered in this town of three thousand and the undertaker had to walk out and spray a mall with embalming fluid to get back up. That's something I've always wanted to do. But although the two lovers were inseparable in life. Impart are made sure that CLYDE did not have Bonnie in death. And so the two of them were buried apart. Oh, ten thousand people showed up to clydes funeral in Dallas where he was buried with his brother buck in the shadow of a shared tombstone. But that was nothing compared to Bonnie's funeral twenty thousand people showed up to see Bonnie get berry. Wow. Bonnie was this instill abrasion or in grief was, Larry? It was. It was. It was respectful. Okay. Yeah. Is a big moment at the time they were a day were massive symbols, right, both? And it's hard when you're like icons can be neutral. I think that there's, there's a part of it, where they obviously, they orients done. They're terrible criminals. But there's something about it that meant something to the country. And so, when they died, there's a little bit of when you're living by curiously through them, and your romantic fake idea of their freedom, also dies. Yeah. And it shows like and out of it. I think almost encourage people to show up to these units being, like this is what happens when you become a Bank robber, you get shot one hundred fifty times in turn into mush. But while Bonnie and CLYDE were the first, the celebrity criminals to die in the thirties they were by no means the last, but the end of that year nineteen thirty four John Dillinger pretty boy Floyd baby face. Nelson and the whole Barker gang or all dead while the hands of law enforcement, like it was the kickoff, where it's like our, we're not even going to pretend to catcher these people anymore. We're just gonna fucking kill right there. Like, the, the wild west is dead. We will see to it. So they're trying to do. Right. Interesting. And as far as Henry methods pardon went he got a Scot free. I crimes in Texas. He's the one who shot the one that shot the motorcycle cop. But it wasn't he's still a prison escapee Henry method. Yes, but it was, but he got a pardon for all of us all of Calva, but that pardon deal didn't extend to Oklahoma because meth, Ben went down for the murder of Cal Campbell because remember right after they killed the two motorcycle. Cops they went up to Oklahoma and killed a guy up there. And the pardon deal was only with Texas. So they're like, yeah, you got pardon, but a art, we're taking Oklahoma. It's like what's happening with Paul Manafort right now? Yeah. They wanted to get him. But Hamer's still came and testified on meth vins behalf because deal was a deal you help me out. I'll help you out go method served only eight years and got parole. So we murdered two people and got eight years after a prison escape. Yep. Yep. Bad, then died a few years later after he passed out drunk on the train track and a locomotive cut them in half to happen. That's called going from a twelve inch or two a six inch. WD jones. He lived until nineteen seventy four Noche. It even an interview with playboy magazine in the early. Seventies, it's an interesting read because it it's him talking about back the day. And how I that's a cool time period in the nineteen seventies. Because people like Charlie Chaplin we're still those that believe over from a truly a middle period of the American timelines on me, like all of this, now, the all those people are gone of things about WTI Jones, though, is he was shot to death by the boyfriend of a woman. He'd taken home from a bar. Well, that's how he ended his life goodness and Joe Palmer and Raymond Hamilton. They got sent to the chair for completely separate crimes outside of the barrow gang crews and for it, though. They were they were going to end up in the chair, eventually, okay? Most the barrel and Parker family, though. They ended up doing time for harboring known criminals they had got anywhere from a few hours to. Some of them got two years in prison, humi and m they both did a month each really, it seems like the only kinda sorta happy ending when it comes to the story involves the infamous Bonnie, and CLYDE, death car her, her people love. Oh, yeah. Let's see. Since the car was stolen. It was returned to the original owner in the condition in which it was recovered. It's like the big lebowski and since it was useless for driving. The owner rented it out to a guy who called himself the crime doctor for a hundred and fifty dollars a week. Yeah. And the crime doctor took it to county fairs throughout America for years, afterward wish Charles Manson, would have just married stone. We'd see a fucking stuffed up a taxi derby Charles Manson, just in a in a glass car. I don't understand why he was against that plan. It is the way Ciro killers should go of making him. A sideshow would've have been fucking incredible. We could open for him. The crime doctor. He even took ima and cue me on a tour for a time with the car, which is a little weird little bit. Yeah. A little weird. Yeah. All things a little weird. But the car eventually got a permanent home at whiskey. Pete's casino in Primm Nevada, where it can still be visited to this day of town, that must be rim, Nevada. We'll keep Pete's. Oh, I love it. All right. And that is the story of Bonnie and CLYDE, goodbye love by tenderness goodbye. Bonnie and CLYDE there in the sky being stupid on the other side. Robin, Robin God's banks. And that is awesome. What a tale and especial thanks to everyone who helped out on this episode including research assistant Rachel shoe, and Carolina who is invaluable with the gang and Frank Hamer research. All right. And if we may have a thirty sec. Profanity free segments starting the clock. Now, I would like to think my niece Cal be parks who did the legwork on the G MC means story? And she's already a true crime nerd in training at twelve despite having no idea what I do for a living. So cliquey very much Kelly, her father's allowing her to listen to this thirty second segment of the show. Yob Kelly, it's usually read go down together. 'cause like we weren't able to cover even half of the story in this series like this, this story truly is, is actually crazier and more intense and more complicated than even then we were able to really cover to read the book. Dull grin, no doggone is a hallucinatory Sifi book from the seventies that reminds me of this whole story where is there so many alleyways in? It's a if we talked about last episode where it's like this kind of fever dream that you're caught in where their exploits were. It's so interesting. When you read go down together you feel like you're with them. You feel like you can what it's like to be on the road. It's a nightmare. They're part of it. It's really scary. Obviously. They did they deserved it entirely. They deserve to be hunted. But that feeling of like you can't go anywhere. And you can't do any in the shit, but you can also see how it's also brought them together because they the only people that understood what they were experiencing nobody else in the world. New on CLYDE, we're going through, but Bonnie and CLYDE, right. Absolutely. All right. Well that was awesome little history lesson there. So we got a bunch of shows coming up. We're right now, obviously, we're in beautiful Australia. This tour has been dope. Thanks for everyone who came up to our show in Perth Adelaide was so awesome. We're excited for Sydney, Melbourne, and Brisbane. It's going to be completely dope, and then we will be in California. Yeah. I my context fellow. Go to last podcast. On the left dot com for all the shows that coming up in the next year we're going to Europe or coming to California. We're coming to the mid west. 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Seth: Clyde Fans

Bookworm

28:28 min | 1 year ago

Seth: Clyde Fans

"Funds for bookworm are provided in part by Lannan foundation. From KCRW and kiss your w dot com. I'm Michael silver blunt. And this is bookworm. And today, I have a special guest he goes by the name of Seth and you prefer that name. Yes. Well, I wouldn't I don't know if I prefer it anymore, but I'm stuck with it at this point. It's a pseudonym. I took when I was younger, and it's is what I go by. He's the author of a kind of magnificent book. It's his biggest book or it's gong. Est book, it's a graphic novel. It's called, CLYDE fans. Well, this book is a four hundred ninety some page. Yep. Is close. Get close to five hundred. Yes. It's a graphic novel. All of my guests seth's books are attempts to. To retrieve a past that has alluded him in this book, CLYDE fans. Two brothers the match card brothers and Ateb and Simon Simon. Have offense store company that they've inherited from their father. But like many publishers who didn't get on board the train. They didn't want to believe that the internet might in some sense replace volumes of books, these brothers work for a fan company that has rejected the possibility of moving forward into air condition. We have a picture of CLYDE fans in the back of the book with Seth standing in front of the once upon a time store, and while where was it? Well, it was a real store. It's funny. When I first started the book I thought to myself, I should change the name of the business because it was a real place. If even though it was out of business. It was interesting tow it was on the corner of Sherburne and king street. And I walked by just an old storefront. I walked by often and. I would look at it because it had a beautiful hand painted sign probably from the forties on the window. And, you know there were a lot of star fronts in Toronto at that time, if you went to Toronto now you would be surprised to see an old storefront like that because Toronto's become very shiny and new. But back then in about I don't know what this would be like the early nineties, perhaps this was just another old place, but I was I looked into the stared into the shop window and it was dark in there because it was already closed up. And there was, you know what you'd expect to see in there. A couple of old desks, some rotary phones, and then on the back while they were two photographs of two typical business photographs from the late fifties or sixties to black and white shots of two middle aged men. I can't remember what those pictures look like now. But that was the seed of me thinking about what we're their lives who were these men, who ran this, this fan store, and what was their life and over the next year or so, I sort of like started to piece it together in my mind this book. Is divided into five do call them books or chapters powers and. Each of them. Is a. To'real elimination of what it's like to live in there. That's these two men now know that they have failed one of them continues as, if sleepwalking to go out on the road zoning fans the other as if sleepwalking stays home with his mother who now has dementia, and who asks him. Where's that little boy who used to be here, and he answers mom, you're talking about me on the little boy? No, where is the little boy. Unfortunately, anytime we turn past the age of fifty. We become aware that this is what the rest of life is like, whereas that little boy, I'm the little boy. Absolutely. It's so heartbreaking. And yet, at the same time if you have the taste for it, it's like living under a magic spell as we hear our parents remembering half remembering forgetting, it's scary. It is. But moving yes, extremely moving. I mean, that's first of all the, the term sleepwalking used is the perfect term. It's like, in fact, I will probably use that my. Itself in the future when talking about the book because it describes how those characters are living very perfectly. I mean, this book was written during the period where my own mother was fading away with dementia, and that experience, as you say, it is frightening. But they're you know, there's something very tender as well. And, and as you said, profound, you know, it is it's strange to look into your parents. Is your mother and see a person who is confused and trying not to let anyone know it as I looked at CLYDE fans which is published by the terrific Canadian comics company drawn and quarterly. I have pictures at home of my mother, having the kind of hair stone that in the book, the character's mother has we won't have pictures of the past and the. Same picture yet. And sometimes those women, and their hair, the Betty, Grable hair is so extraordinarily beautiful and moving in any work. I do you will always find a lot of drawings of photographs like they will the characters will always have black and white photographs. They're a part of the story always three part of the design of the books, usually. And I mean, I think it's because for me, certainly that experience of those photos that linger around in your family, often you don't even know who the people are in them. It's like after your after my mother was gone, I started to look through some of the old photos that I've seen a thousand times, and for the first time thought, I should have really asked who everyone is in these photos, but that is like, you know, that's one of the funny things about exactly what I'm trying to do which is to, like scribe owed onto paper that, that experience of like the lingering past only spoke. To my mother, every day of her life for the most five or six years, it was a pleasure. And when she stopped being able to speak to me we used to sing songs together on the phone songs that she at once sung to me, s and since they were songs from her childhood, she remembered them because the older you get and the more dementia takes you. The more access you to the things you once knew it is interesting, how music specifically stays was the same with my mother. She is like she wouldn't remember she would pretend to remember things, but it was clear that, like a lot most of the memory was gone. But never the music the minute, like someone would start playing one of those old songs. She'd be singing along. She knew all the lyrics. It's interesting how. Music stays. And in this book, CLYDE fans what we've got our two boys brothers very different from one, another one of whom wanted to be a success, the other of whom found out that he wouldn't be, and who wanted really to be able to wander around in a cloud. Sometimes he remembers his mother is living with them. Sometimes he happens upon her bedroom. No. It's a good description of him. It's because the funny thing about the characters is I didn't necessarily want to make one more likable than the other. But it was essential that they'd be different the home was above the fans store. The store is called cried fans. The book is called cod fans. It's fine. My guest whose graphic works are under the name Seth. He's a major contributor to his art form. He designed all those is that now what twenty one twenty six twenty six Charles, m Schulz peanuts books. I know people who want all. You know, children who grew up with peanuts are like grown-ups who grew up with Rogers and Hammerstein, the peanuts is huge cultural element. It's interesting for me. I mean, peanuts was Charles shows was essentially, the first cartoonist I was interested in so working on gathering all his work together was a great honor, and great project. I wanted, you know, I wanted that to reflect like the deep feelings, I had about the work with been gratifying to me is to actually now, see that, that experience repeated because I whenever I'm somewhere little children. Bring those books up now. That's not my work as Charles Shulz work. But I'm I'm proud to see like them reading connecting to the work through the format in the same way that I read like peanuts when I was kid in those Fawcett paperbacks. It's like I remember those and I remember the experience of reading them, and I like that these children, will remember the experience of reading Charles Shulz in the format that I designed for them. Well. Just as the peanuts drips, essentially wander through your designs for them. So to do the match card brothers and they are in a cloud of friend of mine was asking. Is this an existential drama? I said, no, the opposite. It's people who can't escape from a dream and whose dream means more than anything else can possibly mean. And so when you will read these folks as I'm sure you'll want to you go through each of the five volumes. As the characters are dream generating the backgrounds that are appropriate because they lived in an apartment up above the store. There are staircases their Elco's. There are black holes to disappear into that's very true. And they are living in the environment of their dreams and you, you serve are drawing the mists that they live in, and that they disappear into this is the special quality of these books at the great description. Thank. And, and, you know, it's gratifying to hear though, because it is one of the one of the strange elements of when you're working on a story like this over a long period of time to is that you're trying to create sort of another world that only exists on those pages in those dry. Wings, and you. And when I began the book, I think I had an idea that I was trying to tell it in a naturalistic sort of way as if it was about real life, but very quickly, I realized it was much more. What you're talking about, which was that it was people living within a fog in a world of memory more than it wasn't about, like, you know, day to day struggle, it was about that kind of strange reverie that your life takes on as you grow older. The first book is the older, brother second, the younger one, that's right. The younger one is the more melancholic older, or younger, their narrating that ring world and they're moving through would it's a very Yeary form of narration because there, there was a song, I once knew maybe my mother's saying to me called gliding through my memory. I don't think I know it was phen flowered drums. Song. Movie, but it any meat, they are going through their memories of the past which won't stop now for any reason whatsoever. I did want the book to have that sense too, that things are cycle that as if you know, you're returning to the same points much like the way, the characters walk through the rooms over and over and over, again, you're cycling through the same experiences again, both of the brothers if I'm remembering correctly smoke. Yeah. We're hearing the snicks and snaps of allied IRS, or the match rough against the match book since their match card brothers, family name. And they asked the father will wanted you name it after your first name CLYDE, fans and he says, well, I says, when you think of your match card, you'd think of matches or you think of cards but you don't think a fans. But when you hear the word. Lied fans. You think of fans and then he says to them, there's there is power in a name. And that's one of the big points of the book is how words get inside. You says power in a name is the refrain that runs through who five years of this book. It's not only on fortunate. It sometimes beautiful that you can't escape from the things you grew up with from the things you loved this, all sorts of pictures of the fans that the company makes and they become so successful that they take over the Borealis company that manufactures the fans for them the first sign, of course, the boreal company. Those bankrupt. Yes. And then all they have all the spare parts. They have only enough may be to last three or four more years, five. And so we're watching them, yet final the final drags of the business. When I started the book that metaphor of the fans and the air conditioners, is it was not lost on me? This was in the this was a couple of decades going started the book, it was not lost on me that I was a cartoonist working in a field, that was dying as that point, this was before the graphic novel really caught hold, and I was like I related quite strongly to these guys who are like set in their ways. And had like progress had come along without them recognizing it and they were being left behind. And I certainly felt that because when I was when I came a cartoonist or decided to become a cartoonist I thought I was entering into. Medium, Sony by the time. I became one that I realized, like comic books were part of the past, and we're disappearing I fully expected, that I would be like that, you know, at this point my career would be over. I didn't expect the graphic novel to change things. Well, I'm Michael, sulfur plant. And you're listening to bookworm from the studios of KCRW. I'm talking with Seth the graphic novelist about his new book, CLYDE fans will continue after this short break. I'm Michael silver, blah this bookworm, and I'm talking with Seth about his new book cried fans a masterful work about a failing family business, and the ensuing erosion of sibling relations and their sanity, you're not alone, as know, art Spiegelman to has written operas about the end of comic books. That's true. And Chris ware another one of our favorites the people you've heard talking on bookworm. Because as far as I'm concerned their work is as great an interesting as any of the novels being written in our time. And after all, let's face it to in our time, novels are collapsing. They're not. The art form of our time. No, no. It's tremendous change. Occurred in just our short. You know, short three or four decades. Things have changed in ways you wouldn't have expected. I mean in the positive sense for me as an artist. It's great that the graphic novel has taken hold, and that I'm reaching an audience this willing to read five hundred page comic story seriously. But it's also the tremendous change that happened in the printing industry. Like I didn't see. I wasn't expecting that to come. I don't I don't believe books are going anywhere. But it is not exactly the world that I was planning for when I was seventeen years old, and I decided to become a cartoonist now south this book pointed fans is basically in two cores. How do you describe those commerce? Well, I guess I would say that I would probably say memory blue is that I lot of my work is use two colors and this one is primarily gray and blue and I use a lot of blue and I wouldn't say that I like sat now when I was twenty five years old and said, like, why am I picking the color blue? I like the color blue but over time, I think I've come to recognize that there are two or three colors have a melancholy quality to them. Specifically a shades of blues and greens, maybe a few rust colors as. It's the underlying tone of most of the work, I do, I would say, his melancholy, and that's you wanted to you want it on the page and sections of the spoke have appeared in an ongoing. What does that magazine called politica Ville? That's. Yeah. Yes. I've been doing that for I don't know thirty years or something. And you've been putting together pieces of coin fans for twenty years. Yes, I think it's almost it was almost exactly twenty years the making of this book. Now, of course, I didn't work on this book every day for twenty years, it was done in between. I know exactly the truth is, if I had worked on it every day, it would have been done in five years, but it was one of those projects that much like the past, lingering this book lingered on for me to why I having spoken to art Spiegelman to Chris ware. And now to Seth who's born name is Gregory. Gallant. I think these projects are painful some for obvious reasons and art story yet about his phone in concentration camp. But all of them, Jimmy Corrigan's modest little boy on earth who was losing his parents and for all his smarts. He doesn't know how to keep himself. Yeah, there's a lot of pain in that book for sure. And in this one, too, and there is do you think? No, I'll give you a hint. Theanswer, his do you think that great Ord involves a good deal of pain? Well, I would have to say, yes, of course, it's hard to imagine. Great art, the didn't come from some sort of. Space of pain. I can't remember I just read a quote, in an obituary of a an Israeli writer whose name I can't drink bring up right now very famous writer, and he said, no wound, no author. It's as if. Well, certainly art Spiegelman loop one by one. The people who write graphic, novels are putting superheroes behind them ordered to embrace the phantasmal sadness of life. That is no longer daily life. Yeah. It's interesting. Certainly cartoonist for my generation specifically grew up with superhero comics, and that's why we ended up drawing comics. I mean, it's not an accident when I was a teenage boy, I love those comic books. And so I spent those years from ten to twenty or whatever learning to draw every day, copying those kind of comic books and only when you get to the age of twenty or some- somewhere around that, and you lose interest in those power fantasies, I always say it's like I was tricked into being a cartoonist at that point. I'd put all that effort into learning the medium, and then I didn't know what to do with it anymore. But the funnier part about that was that then when I started to figure out what I wanted to do which was to talk about real life. I felt I needed another ten years to unlearn everything, those comics had taught me because you can't really tell you can't the medium. The medium is a more complex medium than you expect. But it doesn't work best with the tools that are meant to show people flying and punching each other, while the great American. Literary critic who fought that cartoons and science fiction were parts of literature listening Fiedler points out that let's face it, the guys who invented superman Jewish. They wanted to dock into a phone booth and become the man of steel. Absolute this was a childhood fantasy for Jews in America. And by the way, the enormous bookworm staff has located it's no wound, no author. That's IMAS Oz. Okay. Great. The modern that can happen so quickly. At a time when more and more of our art forms, depending completely on popularity and success. These graphic novels or at least the best of them are depending upon a sense of said, -ness of melancholy of failure of Gauls. It's true. I mean it's interesting that if you were to talk about the, the American comic book as a phenomenal, you would say that it's about success. It's about bombast and it's about, you know, maybe it's like kind of an American lie. It's interesting that the comic book when it was taken to us for more serious stories and quotes, that it's actually seems to be the other aspect of life. That is like, where most artists have gone now might be reactionary, of course that you would want to move as far away from, like the most typical subject matter. But I do think that like with. Interesting about the medium is, I think it's well, suited to stories that are interior to stories that are slow and stories that are melancholy. There's something in the actual way you read a comic strip comic book that lends itself to an interior experience, maybe even more than an awful couldn't. We say that every story of civilization is about the form of sation. Good point. It's an interesting point, it is not it is hard to write about the past or about memory, the doesn't involve some element of decline like the idea that things have gotten worse. Or perhaps, it's that the past is always lost and so- characters can't help. But like look back on it with some kind of idea that there's something ideal. They're seeking the coin full of the Roman empire. Everything. In some way gets lost the decline of the novel. The decline of painting the decline of the American song will. Will you serve a Canadian songbook to there is? Yes. Although it's not certainly it's not as Canadians are not as good at, mythology ising themselves as Americans. So you'd be hard pressed to get people to dredge it up instantly. I'm talking with a wonderful Canadian south. He's graphic novelist. He's the author most recently of CLYDE fans. It's published by drawn and quarterly. Thank you for joining me. Oh, it was a great pleasure. Thank you for having me. You can. Visit KCRW dot com slash bookworm. For a punt cast of today's show. Also available at Apple's Spotify wherever you get your podcasts. Plus, you can listen on demand with KCRW smartphone apps special. Thanks to my co producer and assistant, Sean Sullivan, Alan Howard is associate. Reducer the technical director is Mario Diaz. I'm Michael silver, blah. Join me again next time on bookworm. Usable policies. I am. We are funds for bookworm are provided in part by land foundation. This program is produced in the studios of KCRW, Santa, Monica, you can access archives of all bookworm programs and podcasts, the most recent ones, I'd KCRW dot com slash bookworm. Bookworm themes were composed and performed by Ron and Russell male of sparks removing. I am a book. Bucy's. Oh book.

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Bonnie & Clyde's lawmen get their own movie

The Frame

16:31 min | 2 years ago

Bonnie & Clyde's lawmen get their own movie

"Podcasts are supported by Cohen media group, presenting the film ashes purest white a loving girlfriend defense her gangster boyfriend in an act that sensor to prison while she's in jail. Her boyfriend moves on starts today at Lindley, Monica and Arclight Hollywood. From the Mon broadcast center. Ed, K P C. See this is the frame, I'm John horn. And thanks for joining us during our spring membership drive today on the show a new movie that's trying to right a wrong. That was done by another film that arrived way back in nineteen sixty seven. Guy. I've everybody would just take it easy. Nobody will get hurt. Bonnie and CLYDE starred Warren Beatty and Faye. Dunaway. It earned ten Oscar nominations and at one two trophies it's been widely regarded as a cinematic landmark forbade producer for director, Arthur Penn, and the film screenwriters, David Newman, and Robert Benton, but people who were involved in the real life story of Bonnie Parker and CLYDE barrow took issue right away with its veracity, especially as it related to the lawmen who brought the two criminals to Justice. The highwayman tells that story is stars Kevin Costner as Frank Hamer and Woody Harrelson as Meinie gold. They're the old Texas Rangers who came out of retirement to track the fugitives down. Vote. You got in your how? Sixteen. I think. Main can't pass bullets through them like he can kidney stones. You. Might be good have doctor look at you. Sometimes might be good to have adopted look at you sometime ain't got no Burra tenement because I was covering you. John Lee Hancock whose films include the blindside directed the highway men, and when he joined me in studio he began with how screenwriter John Fusco said about getting the true story of Frank Hamer, the Hamer family since pins movie came out has been very reluctant to do anything Hollywood. Or to talk to anyone about anything, which is kind of you know, kind of their their creed. If you will Hamer wasn't a big talker. And they thought that the movie defame them in terms of depicting him as a buffoon. Yes, it did defaming. I understand. It's just you know, Robert Benton, I think years back I was talking to him. And he said he'd just combined two characters like any young screenwriter would did just streamline it. And you know, he regretted that as a screenwriter the film. Okay. I'm sorry. I was interrupting your story now. So he thought it was important to talk to the family. Yes, he did. And he got Frank Kamer juniors blessing over a whiskey and a stake in a handshake and off he went, and he wrote the first draft of it. But we set out to make the movie, and it almost came together. Probably four different times over the years. Let's play a clip from the movie, Bonnie and CLYDE. Now, look here we're in custody, captain Frank hem, Frank. Here's a Texas ranger shoe maker. I'm believe you got your Spurs all tangled up there. You're in Missouri. Do you know that brand reserve he's a Louis Texas ranger? I don't think he's lost banks offer an extra award money. I I think Frank just figured on some easy pickings crank no stranger exchange doing your job. You ought to be home protecting the rat. Support folk not out chasing after us. Put in a boat ride and kind of sent down the rear. Yes. Yes. He's made made fun of and putting a boat and shipped out not to take away anything from your current cast. There wasn't iterative this film that was going to be the final pairing of Robert Redford, Paul Newman. Correct. That's absolutely, correct. One of my favorite days I've ever spent in this job was flying out to spend the day with Paul Newman at his house and talk all day. It was pretty terrific and who was gonna play which character poems going to play Meinie Gault who Woody Harrelson place in Redford was going to play Hamer. Frank Hamer like Manny goal was a member of the Texas Rangers. But they both left around the same time because of somebody who took over the state wise, she important, and why did they leave the Rangers maw? Ferguson was the first female governor of Texas, and she was not a favourite of the Rangers. And she didn't particularly care for the Rangers. Either. I think she thought of them as too old school, and this was an era when she had Hoover was hiring. Accountants and lawyers and people in suits, and that was the sophisticated way to do law enforcement. And so a lot of the Rangers were actually pulling for her opponent in the gubernatorial race and she didn't take kindly to that. And kind of disbanded the Texas Rangers and made her own Ferguson Rangers. So Frank Hamer is retired. At the point that this story starts, why does he feel a need to help track down Bonnie, and CLYDE what is in it for him both personally and professionally what does he want to come out of retirement? My take on it is that yes, he was doing very well in oil field security. He had married. Well, they had a beautiful home there on riverside drive right there on the on the late across from downtown Austin. He didn't need the job. But I think that this was a nationwide crime spree and this was in the press every day. And I think the righteous part of Frank came thought this calls me people that are famous for doing things they should be ashamed of. And I think he was an old school guy. And I think he has a terrible. Gift. He's really good at hunting down and killing people. And it's not something. He takes a great deal of pride in. It's not something that he's happy about having to do. But he's the man for the job, and who has many Gault, and what is his relationship to Frank Hamer. When your story starts may need in. The film is a bit of an amalgam of several different characters different Rangers that Frank had ridden with and killed with and camped with. And because we knew that he was going to be there for the Bush at the end, John Fusco, and actually Scott Frank did a pass that pushed Meinie more to the fore and made it more of a two hander. But mainly is a guy who had been arranger and was so kind of upset about Ma Ferguson that he left the Rangers and was working for the highway patrol in reality. Even though a lot of people in the country are kind of idolizing Bonnie, and CLYDE Galt and Hamer are not this didn't solve itself overnight. It took a long time to track them down. What we're? They thinking about what were their motivations as they're on the road. And why do they stick with it as long as they did? Well, I think one thing Hoover at chase bonding CLYDE around for over two years. I believe at that time and Hamer actually made fairly short work of it because a hundred and two days after he hit the road, they were dead, and he went old school on them. You know, tracking the circles and seeing and back then there weren't as many highways, and it went as many gas stations. So if you knew for a fact that Bonnie and CLYDE gassed up at some spot, then you could draw a big circle, you could figure out which direction they'd gone, and if they'd pass him at the gas station, those kind of things they had I think killed almost one hundred men between them and most of that on horseback. So riding in a car was pretty easy compared to being on horseback down by the border. And then we're very smart because they knew that Bonnie and CLYDE kind of skirted state lines. So that they would stop authorities from crossing state lines in their pursuit. Yeah. That was back in the day. You couldn't cross state lines. There are many of the old movies where you see the race to the the state border. You know, and the cops get out at the. Eight border and curse because they can't cross over in a bunny and CLYDE were famous for robbing banks Hamer and gold were pretty famous for killing people as well. Right. Yes. They had they had been on many tours of the south Frank Hamer was actually very good friends with punch via you know, we're we're dealing with the same border here. So we should work together. On some things we're going to be at odds with other things, but we should work together. Sometimes. Coming up. How director John Lee Hancock used his film? The highway men to counter the romantic, Bonnie, and CLYDE narrative. KPCC podcasts are supported by Cohen media group, presenting the new film ashes purest white official selection can film festival a loving girlfriend defense her gangster boyfriend and an act that since her to prison while she's in jail her boyfriend moves on without her starts today at the Linley, Monica and Arclight Hollywood. Welcome back to the frame. I'm John horn, the new movie the highway men tells the story of Frank Hamer and Meinie gold. The guys who took down the nineteen thirties outlaws Bonnie and CLYDE after the FBI was unable to do it. Unlike their bumbling portrayal in the nineteen sixty seven Warren Beatty Faye? Dunaway. Classic Hamer and gold were actually skilled and experienced lawman. The movie a Bonnie, and CLYDE also fondly depicted the laws as star crossed Robin hoods who steal from the big bed. Banks at the height of the depression. It's a narrative that they created themselves back in the day in the highwayman, however, Bonnie, and CLYDE are vicious criminals who kill police officers in this scene governor Ma Ferguson played by Kathy Bates gets questioned by the press after Bonnie and CLYDE once again avait authorities. Long. No one's broken out of here prison, Bonnie and CLYDE break in on the run for two years. Never say boy say damn never say die Parker barrel. Hero home. The robin. Hoods or Robin Hood's mom. It Robin Hood ever shoot a gas station attendant point blank in the head for four dollars and a tank of gas. We will capture CLYDE baron Barrymore write that down and underline it twice. So we know from the Bonnie and CLYDE movie that there is a mythology about Bonnie and CLYDE a lot of which is not accurate. But one thing that is accurate is that they were considered for reasons that I think you're movie kind of gets into full cure owes. They were seen as modern day, Robin hoods, even though they weren't giving money away to the poor. And they were killing a lot of police officers. I think it had a lot to do with the era Depression-era banks taking farms people, you know, having tough times. And I think that the banks kind of became the enemies in a strange way and so- robbing banks was not looked at as necessarily criminal to some of the people who hated the banks. You know, they also robbed mom and pop groceries and gas stations and killed, you know, not only cops but innocent civilians. What was it about the mythology Bonnie, and CLYDE that attracted so many people to them? In fact, there's a scene in the movie where the detectives are close to catching them, and they can't get to him. Because the crowd of adoring fans. Yeah, I think that there are a lot of public enemy's back. Then when you talk about Dylan journ, pretty boy Floyd and cetera et cetera. But I think this was the Romeo, and Juliet I think the fact that Bonnie was with CLYDE that really captured the imagination of America. And also in some ways, they didn't necessarily intend to do it. But they came up on the realization that they could brand themselves when they left, you know, photographs and a camera behind absently in Missouri in these photographs were above the fold front page every newspaper to America. It glorified them in a way that was sexy and fun and star crossed lovers and they're on the run. And there was something the romantic notion of that was just too much for a lot of people to disavow and look at actually the fact that they were killers. So they were Instagram stars. Well before there was Instagram. Absolutely. They would be on Twitter today if they were running around I want to read to you a letter that CLYDE barrows mother sent Frank Hamer after. The death of their son. And I think it's fascinating she asks for well. Let me just say what she says, Mr. Hamer, we have been told by sheriff smooch, mid that you have in your possession, some guns that were in the car the time you and the other officers killed my boy, CLYDE now, Mr. hammer, I do hope he will be kindly enough to give me those guns as you know, you have no right to try and keep those guns. She goes on and on about how CLYDE actually paid for them. They weren't stolen. What is it about gun culture? Because that seems to be a huge part of this story. People are fascinated by guns. Frank is an expert at guns. There's a scene where he goes and buys up. Basically a gun store had a guns fit into the mythology of the story. Well, I think they fit into the mythology of Texas. I mean, first and foremost, you know, it's a blood in blood out proposition for the state when you look at the Alamo, which is basically a Mexican civil war and a movie that you've made. Yes. Absolutely. So I think the gun cultural is obviously still alive and well in Texas. It's in its DNA. You know, fortunately, or unfortunately, do you think this movie kind of raises issues about our obsession with guns today? I think it's one of the things that the movie is about the prevalence of guns in this movie. It's not an exaggeration. I mean, everybody had everybody had a gun back, then especially you'd have one around the house to kill rattlesnakes or poachers or or whatever. So yeah, there's a lot of guns in the gun. The gun store scene is is supposed to one point to the fact that you could just walk into a store and buy ten guns. And the other thing is the firepower necessary to bring down body, and CLYDE what he was up against. You seem to be always interested in things that are going on in Texas. What is it about Texas that you love is a filmmaker? I mean, Texas is so many different things. And I think it's frustrating for people. It can be one thing and another at the same time. So it's a bit of an egg model thing anyone will ever figure it out. I'm from there. It certainly in my roots. I don't do exclusively Texas movies. But this was. One that I felt a real affection for the script you should in Texas too. We did we shot in Vienna in Texas in and actually this is kind of a cool little thing we shot the ambush at the exact spot where the ambush occurred that road that road that spot we changed it back into being a road from nineteen thirty four which is more dirt gravel than pavement. And of course, you see g at all the the yellow stripes, and we did about one hundred yards of dirt and bringing the brush up to the edge. And then just extrapolated that through CGI for that length of it. It was funny though, because we were looking the very first spot we wanna location Scotland, let's go look at the actual spot. So we can vibe it and try to find it somewhere else and Casey, silver, are smart producer said why don't we shoot it here? And I went you know, what that is really a good idea. Thank you. And we did and it was kind of haunting to be out there three days with a lot of gunfire. And it's it's creepy. It's not a spoiler to say that Bonnie and CLYDE are not alive at the end of this. This is a story about the hunting. And killing a Bonnie, and CLYDE, and then there's some footage at the end of the film about their car going through town, and people are so obsessed with Bonnie, and CLYDE that they want to touch the car and not only touch the car, but touched the bodies of the occupants in the car is that true story. It's absolutely true. In fact, it's it was more gruesome than we actually portrayed. I mean, people trying to cut off clydes trigger finger taking a piece it not just touching it or dabbing blood taking a piece of the car taking a locks of hair from Bonnie this called the shame of Arcadia, and the reason to do this movie for me wasn't that we're gonna show the other side, and the cups. Get the bad guys and wrong and cheer. It was the loneliness of this journey for these two men and how they know how it's going to end, and it's been promised to be bloody. And they know it will be and it's overkill it is very very very violent. We tried to be as accurate as possible with regard to the number of shots fired at cetera. But there's no joy in Meadville. When. They're killed. And hopefully, you know, an audience will look at it and go I kind of feel bad for everybody involved, even including body, and CLYDE John Hancock is the director of the highway men. John great to see you. Thanks for coming in. Thanks for having me. Appreciate it. Starring Woody Harrelson, and Kevin Costner is out in select theaters today ahead of its release on Netflix on March twenty nine and that's it for this week. I'm John horn. Thanks for listening both on the radio and on demand, and thanks so much for supporting KPCC have a great weekend. We'll see you back here on Monday.

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Episode 91: That's How You Get Ghosts!

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Episode 91: That's How You Get Ghosts!

"Welcome, we are the ladies of strange I'm Ashley I'm Tiffany Rebecca, fake you for joining US each week as we discuss the history Mr Theory of all things questionable, odd and eerie. September September Can't. We're fine guys. TIFFANY's little summer. Light is fading out on us. It is whenever it fades I just dissolve into delirium and that's where I'm at. The going rate Paul Y'all. She cries insists drink. Depression, Israel Y'all I'm so sorry. No. So, what are we learning about this week Ashley? Up For us because I know you don't bring depressing topics. You decide all right Clyde Chestnut Barrow was born on October first nineteen ten in Ellis County Texas, which is just south of Dallas. He was the fifth of Seven children to Henry Basil Barrow. He's looking at our map per confirmation of where Texas is. In the United States. Thank you. So look at this map. He was the fifth of Seven children to Henry Basil Barrow. His Dad's name is basil and his chestnut I think they had to think for food. And his mother, cue me to Lithium Walker as a boy born into poor family clydes great. Love was music. He loved to sing and play an old guitar on the farm. He taught himself how to play the saxophone and it seemed as if he might pursue a career music for some impressive to do right the saxophone of all things. Wow because like it's no violin, but it's one of the easier instruments to learn. You could ask any orchestra I'm going to shut up before we get the hate mail please continue actually you need to find a saxophone employment careless whisper right now. Oh, my dad plays the saxophone you still. I do want you to do that. Do that means her dad has a saxophone next time you're at your parents I, need a video of you playing careless whisper. No thanks the bear family moved to Dallas in the early nineteen twenty s, and they spent their first month's living under their wagon until they had enough money to buy. Tint Barrows first arrest was in late nineteen, twenty six at the age of seventeen after running when the police confronted him over a rental car that he had failed to return in time which rental cars in the twenties wait. In. Twenty six and he was born in ten yes. So he was sixteen sixteen. Okay. No. Because it was late nineteen twenties. So he's probably almost seventeen almost. Okay. Sorry Mitzvah. Gene start here. Number Ludger Insult Car After running when the police confronted him over a rental car that he had failed to return his second arrest was with his brother Marvin this time for possession of stolen goods was it like a car? Goods not property but do you guys want to take a guess on what the stolen goods were Penny Candy test nuts and basil. Turkeys? Term. Wait like live. Turkey. Just kidnapped some light turkeys. Okay. So what I've seen so far motherfucker. I do not condone his behaviour, but you know there are worse things you could do I mean living I'm sure we'll hear about four boy. Them Up. I lost must be okay despite having a legitimate jobs during the period from nineteen, twenty, seven through nineteen, twenty nine. He also cracked safes, robbed stores and stole cars. So Jesus and B. D. V. D. it was the twenties. Brill's weren't invented yet. No one. So moving back in time a little bit Bonnie Elizabeth Parker I, know where this is going. By God it. I'm there Oh, I'm excited. Ashley was born on October first nineteen ten and Rowena Texas. The second of three children her father Charles. Parker. Was a bricklayer and died when Bonnie was four her father's death caused her mother Emma to move her family back to her parents home in cement city, which is an industrial suburb in West Dallas where she worked as a seamstress growing up, Bonnie was an honor roll student she excelled in writing. She even won a county league contest in Literary Arts in her second year of high school she met Roy Roy. Roy Thornton I WANNA low country there in her second year of high school. She met Roy Thornton the couple dropped out of school and married on September Twenty Fifth Nineteen, twenty six six days before her sixteenth birthday. Wow I. mean in nineteen twenty, six s not crazy you that I I was like fifteen and married, and just trying to remember what I was doing when I was fifteen at fifteen I was crying because my mom wouldn't drop me off at the panic at the disco concert. I think I was reading Harry Potter for her side. We had very different childhoods. Tenth Grade I was fifteen. Yeah. I haven't August birthday. So my birthday. Right fifteen I was pining over boys and playing. Still. With Ashley. What are you doing today? Hiding in. The ope. So her marriage to Roy was partnered by his frequent absences and brushes with the law in it proved to be short lived they never officially divorced but their paths never crossed again after January nineteen, twenty nine. So she's leaving one outlaw to get up with another whole who woody at the end of her marriage parker moved back in with her mother and worked as a waitress in Dallas Texas Bonnie and Clyde one of the world's most iconic duos would meet in Dallas Texas in January of Nineteen thirty. Soon after Clyde was arrested for burglary and sent to jail, he was sent to the East Ham prison farm in. April of Nineteen thirty at the age of twenty one he escaped from the Prison Farm Shorten Nineteen, twenty, one, nineteen, thirty at the age of twenty he was born in Nineteen. Did you get his birth year, right? Yes. That's how mathworks Ten plus twenty one is thirty one no, it was in nineteen thirty three should have been twenty, not twenty one as you not. I said twenty one. and she said seventeen earlier when it was supposed to be sixteen, there are very few things. I'm good at in math is one of them. So I stand corrected it was nineteen o nine. Okay. That makes more sense. So I'm going to scroll back up here update that well then that is why we keep Tiffany Round Ladies and gentlemen 'cause Lord knows her notes won't be done but she will critique the shit out of yours to make sure you've got your numbers right today's episode is brought to you by salt. Salt and burn. Thousand. percent. Now that we have that corrected, he was born in one, thousand, nine, hundred, nine corrected. Thank you tiffany and he was sent to East Ham prison farm in April nineteen thirty at the age of twenty one do numbers work for you. Now those numbers are perfect. Thank you. He escaped from the prison farm shortly after his incarceration using a weapon that Bonnie smuggled to him. However, he was recaptured shortly after sent back to prison Clyde was repeatedly sexually assaulted while in prison he retaliated by attacking and killing his tormentor with a lead pipe crushing his skull. Yeah that's one way to deal with that. This would be documented as his first killing even though another inmate who is serving a life sentence claimed responsibility. So we had a friend young bros. looking after Bro. Things lifting other kings just kinks go out and loot 'cause I cannot. This would be documented as I killing already read that because we said Guess King says. In order to avoid hard labor in the Fields Clyde purposely had two of his toes chopped off. It's not confirmed if he did this himself or if he convinced another inmate to do it. Who However, he would be set free six days after his intentional injury without his knowing his mother had successfully petitioned for his release. He was paroled from East Ham on February second nineteen thirty to get the numbers, right? Yes. Thirty two fellow inmate Ralph Schulz said that he watched Clyde quote change from schoolboy to a rattlesnake while he was incarcerated Bonnie Clyde and Foltz, begin a series of robberies primarily of stores and gas stations their goal was to. Collect enough money and firepower to launch a raid guest. The East Ham prison on April nineteenth, nineteen, thirty, two, Bonnie and Foltz were captured in a failed hardware store burglary were they intended to steal Firearms Bonnie. Would be released from jail in a few months after a grand jury failed to indict her volts however was tried convicted and served time on August fifth. Nineteen thirty two, Clyde Raymond Hamilton and Ross Dryer were drinking moonshine at a dance and. When Sheriff CG Maxwell and deputy, Moore approached them in a parking lot Clyde and Hamilton opened fire killing more and grievously wounded maxwell no bad don't. Don't like that Oh. Sir I'm on Christmas Eve. The group was joined by a childhood friend of the Barrow Family Wd, Jones, who joined them at the age of sixteen and the three of them left Dallas that night I just like these ages baffled me again at sixteen I was like. I need to go to see Green Day sixteen we were finally parting ways with our barbies and crying about it. Definitely not murdering tops but you know I take a potato I. Hope not yet. No, we were not. The next day Jones in Barrow Murder Doyle Johnson a young family man while stealing his car in Temple Barrow Killed Tarrant County Deputy Malcolm Davis on January sixth when he parker and Jones wandered into a police trap that was set for another criminal on March twenty second clydes brother Buck was granted a full pardon and release from prison he and his wife plant set up house with Bonnie, Clyde and Jones in a temporary hideout in Joplin Missouri. The group ran loud alcohol fueled Card Games late into the night in the quiet neighborhood blanche recalled that they quote bought a case of Beer Day. No sounds like an old roommate of ours. Oh. No, she'd ultra. Between the five of them they went through a case of beer on our hand one of them but you know it's fine. Potato Tomato fine older. Now, I was GONNA say growing up but that's not the case on the men came and went noiselessly at all hours in Clyde accidentally fired a rifle in the apartment while trying to clean it the rifle. Yes. Okay. Who Tizzy Apartment You know when you try to open a door and something stuck and you're just like I can't boom that's never happened. You Know Oh okay I guess we all store rifles differently. No neighbors would go to the house but one reported suspicion to Joplin. Police Department the police assembled a five-man force in two cars on April thirteenth to confront what they suspected were bootleggers living in the apartment, the barrel brothers and Jones open fired killing detective Harry McGinnis. Fatally wounding constable J W. Harriman Parker opened fire as the others fled forcing highway patrolman GB tailored duck behind a large oak tree the bullet struck the tree enforced wooden splinters into the sergeants face. Oh No, that's what gets you. I will say it's better than the alternative but yeah that. My brain disassociates a Lotta stuff but splinters face just can't like where do we go from here? Oh Does Not compute Parker got into the car with the others and they pulled plant from the street when she was while she was pursuing her dog snowball who'd run away from the chaos. The surviving officers later testified that they had fired only fourteen rounds in the conflict one hit Jones on the side one struck Clyde but was deflected by his suit coat button and one grazed buck after ricocheting off of a wall. The group escaped the police at Joplin but left behind most of their possessions at the apartment including bucks parole papers, a large arsenal of weapons, a handwritten poem by Bonnie and a camera with several rolls of undeveloped film. Please developed the film at the Joplin Globe and found many photos of Barrow, Parker and Jones posing in pointing weapons at one. Another are these the ones that you find like the famous pictures you find when you google them. Where they're all standing in front of the Ford and like the one of Bonnie where she's got onto the gun Scott Cigar in her mouth is and the one where she's pointing the weapon at quite stomach Yep. Yeah. Safety first kids don't do any of that. No. But also while we're on, don't kill people also that not out there to or rob or just make smart choices guys, k, it's not. The heart the globe sent the poem in the photos over to their family newswires including a photo of Parker Lynching Cigar in her teeth and a pistol in her hand and the gang of criminals became front page news throughout America as the quote Bairro Gank John. Dillinger had leading man good looks and pretty boy floyd became his nickname but the Joplin photos introduced the criminal superstars with the most titillating trademark of. Lissette. Oh Casper chief US let the photos were very. In nature, they were sliding into mailboxes I don't know. Besides. Like between pigeons and real. Now. This was after world. War. One notice when I know where that is They use pigeons in world war? One. I. Think I. Don't think they use them war to. That's why I said it said it that way I'm pretty sure they use them a war one but they were with each other. Why would they send pigeons to spice up relationship I? Think they know how spicy be for like instead of sending texts across the rabbits as a pigeon, not as Boise and Dirty. Pigeons in my house, you don't know their life. I know they're. They're they're CLO WACO's clue awake. As about ask a really stupid question back to bonding hide. For the next three months, the group's brain group. flustered. The KHLOE, we'll do that to you. The clue. So gross for the next three months the group ranged from Texas as far north as Minnesota in May they tried to rob a bank in Lucerne Indiana and successfully robbed a bank in. Oakland BENA MINNESOTA NOT GONNA lie that map has come in real handy right now. I'm impressed. You can read it from that far away come a new glasses on 'cause. I know you don't know where these states are actually located without reading. Them did not know where Missouri was not gonNa why we haven't talked about Missouri you did earlier. Because I remember looking like where the Fudge is Missouri but we're good they big shout out to all our patron. Forgetting a man enables us to afford things like domains and maps nextstep pride flag. So they successfully robbed the bank in Minnesota, they kidnapped Dillard. Fia Stone in Richardson Louisiana while they were trying to steal Darby's car. This was one of several events between nineteen, thirty, two and nineteen, thirty, four were they would kidnap robbery victims and even police officers they were known for releasing their hostages far from the point of kidnapping sometimes with money to help them return home will that's kind of Nice I mean. Don't get in that situation to begin with. But if you're going to be in it at least take out some hellum either stock owned one. House that Nice giving them money to get back home. Sometimes I mean I said it's I'm not rooting about just don't kidnap them just take their car and go look I'm not a huge Bonnie and Clyde van great story not a big fan of them own money and run but say anything but taking the people. But if you're GONNA take the people and give them cab fare on the way home that's kind of the way to do it i. don't condone this at all and stories. Of such encounters made headlines as did they're more violent episodes, the barrow gang did not hesitate to shoot anyone who got in their way whether it was a police officer or an innocent civilian. Eventually, the coldbloodedness of their murder opened the public's eye to the reality of their crime and eventually lead to their end. The photos that were released, entertain the public for a while but the gang became desperate and discontent with their new notoriety. Their daily lives became more difficult as they tried to evade. Discovery restaurants and hotels became less secure. They resorted to campfire cooking and bathing in cold streams. Jones was the driver when he and Barrow Stole a car that belonged to Darby in late April and he used that Cardi leave others he would stay away for the months to come. Barrow did not see any warning signs at a bridge under construction when driving with Jones and Parker near Wellington Texas and the car flipped into a ravine sources disagree on whether there was a gasoline fire or if. Parker was doused with acid from the car's battery under the floorboards but she sustained third degree burns to her right leg. So severe the muscle's contracted and caused the leg to quote, draw up keep in mind. This is why they're on the run and can't religious. Go see a doctor Jones observed quote she had been burned. So badly, none of us thought she was gonna live the hide on her right leg was gone from her hip down to her ankle I could see the bone. Could hardly walk she either hopped on her good leg or was carried. Kerry. Couldn't carried by Barrow, she was care wrote, they got help from a nearby farm family then proceeded to kidnap the county. Sheriff. George Corey and City Marshal Paul Hardy leaving the two of them handcuffed and barbed wired to a tree outside of l.. Rick Oklahoma at seems like a bit much I mean I guess you gotTa do what you gotTa do use their handcuffs and then Bar Byrom but the tree, but you don't have to do that. Yeah. You give him cab fare and send them home that sounds very to. The three Ron booed with buck and blanche clydes brother and his wife and hid in a tourist court near. Fort. Smith Arkansas where they would nurse Parker's Burns Buck and Jones had a failed robbery attempt and murder town Marshal Henry de Humphrey in Alma. Arkansas. So everybody talks about how they were like robbers bankrobbers. I think they killed more people than they rob banks, Ya. I didn't realize how many people they'd killed. I always assumed they were like just traveling around robbing banks. Yeah. I don't have this in my notes but just kind of a interjection they total. I, think from robbing banks that they were able to successfully rob. They only got like fifteen hundred dollars. They got a lot of money they did would rob like small local stores. But the banks themselves they hardly ever had any success actually robbing a bank. So interesting, they are a shocker, not what the media portrays them to be. Yeah there are a lot different than I thought. They were me too. That's why this turned into as long episode is it is the criminals had to flee despite Parker's grave condition in July nineteen thirty three, the gang checked into the red crown. Tourist Court south of Platte City Missouri. It consisted of two brick cabins that were joined by garage and the group rented both. This is one of their first stays that really raised attention of people around them. They were very careful up until this point as far as who stayed where and how they paid and everything blanche registered. The party is three guest but the owner neal houser immediately saw five people getting out of the car he noted that the driver backed into the garage quote gangster style. When does that even? Get Away I guess people didn't. Wash is very often was that just not a thing people I mean the car well, no, I guess not in the thirties I was saying in the fifties of the cars were huge trying to turn those suckers around to get in your garage would be difficult I guess not. To be fair I drive a hatchback and people are surprised when I can back my car into a space. So don't backup very much anymore but blanche paid for their cabins with coins rather than bills and she did the same later when buying five dinners and five beers I guess they backed off the cases at this point fair on the next day houser notice that his guests had taped newspapers over the windows of their cabins. Subtle right nothing to see here, carry on again the next morning blanche paid for their meals with coins, her outfit of writing. This is so cute riding breeches. When he? Attention they were not the typical of tire for women in the area and witnesses would still remember her outfit up to forty years. Later in interviews, the owner of the cabin told Captain William Baxter of the highway patrol. The strange group Barrow and Jones went into town to purchase bandages, crackers, cheese, and atrophine sulfate to treat Legs, the pharmacists contacted the sheriff who put the cabins under surveillance because they had been told the new about the accident. So they'd kind of put out a lookout for anyone and they might be purchasing that I. Guess that's a burn medication. Share of coffee led a group of officers towards the Cabins at eleven pm armed with Thompson sub-machine guns, the gang except when a bullet short-circuited the horn on the armored car. Police officers mistook it for a ceasefire. Okay. That's kind of cool. Yeah. What are the odds? The gang head of the law once again but bucket sustained a bullet wound that blasted a large hole in his forehead. He survived. Why that got me. Bringing. Juice probably a lot of it. Yeah. Implant was nearly blinded when glass fragments flew into both of her is like that either couple just had a bad day the Barrow Gang Camped at Decks Field Park, which is an abandoned amusement park near Dexter Iowa Buck was sometimes semi-conscious. He was able to talk and eat but his massive head wound and loss of blood were so severe that the gentlemen started digging a grave for him. Local residents notice their bloody bandages and officers determined that the campers were the Barrow Gang local police officers surrounded the group in the borough soon came under fire Bonnie. Clyde. And Jones escaped on foot buck was shot in the back and he and blanche her captured by officers is still alive and was trying to get away bucked items, head wound and pneumonia after surgery five days later. At King's daughters hospital in Perry Iowa for the next six weeks, the three remaining gang members expanded their range and continued to commit armed robberies. They restocked their arsenal when Clyde Jones Robin Armory and platform Illinois and August Twentieth Requiring Three Rifles handguns and large quantities of amunition by September. The gang wrist a run to Dallas to see their families for the first time in four months. Jones. Continued. To Houston where his mother lived where he was arrested without incident and on November, sixteenth returned to Dallas Clyde committed several robberies with small time accomplices while his family and Bonnie's family tended to her medical needs on November twenty second. They narrowly evaded arrest trying to meet their family members near sours Texas after catching word of their arrival in town local police officers posted in wait on local. Roads as Barrow drove up he since to trap and drove past his family's car at which point the deputies stood up and opened fire. The family members in the crossfire were not hit but a bullet passed through the car striking both the legs of Bonnie, and Clyde, however, they escaped later that night buys let's just can't catch a break both of them he got his chopped off his toes. And then he just got shot again. So November twenty eighth, a Dallas grand jury delivered a murder indictment against Bonnie and Clyde for the murder of tarrant. County. Deputy Malcolm Davis in January. This would be parkers I warrant for murder on January sixteenth nineteen, thirty, four barrel or the escape of five prisoners including Raymond Hamilton who is serving sentences totaling more than two hundred years from the east. Ham State Prison. Two of the guards were shot by the escaping prisoners with automatic pistols which had been previously concealed in a ditch by Barrow the breakout generated negative publicity for Texas and Barrow, seemed to have achieved. What historian Philip suggested was his overriding goal revenge on the Texas Department of Corrections. You hear that part I did get that. Yeah. This attack attracted the full power of. Of the Texas. I mean, that's Kinda how Texas were. I guess it's not wrong and it's capitalized because you know I know how to rat know how grammar works for you know places. This attack attracted the full power of that does make sense the Texas and federal government. His. Best friend everybody. She's beauty and she is grace. I will probably eat your face. This attack attracted the full power of the Texas and federal government the manhunt for Bonnie and Clyde. The Texas Department of Corrections contacted retired researcher, Captain Frank. It's either Hamer or hammer and persuaded him to down the Barrow Gang. He accepted the assignment as a Texas Highway Patrol officer and was secondly assigned as special investigator with specific task of taking down the Barrow Gang starting on February. Tenth Hammer became the constant of the dynamic to out living out of his car just to town or two behind them on April first nineteen, thirty, four Barrow and Melvin Killed Highway, patrolman HD Murphy. And Edward Bryant Wheeler No Nearer Grapevine Texas Melvin would later admit that he fired the first shot assuming that when Barrow said quote get him he wanted the officers killed. It was later believed that when he said get him, they were trying to kidnap them however after the first shot was fired barrow joined in firing at Patrolman Murphy during the spring season, the grapevine killings were recounted and exaggerated detail off Dallas newspapers jumped on the story told by the eye witnesses a farmer who claimed to have seen Parker laugh at the way that Murphy's head quote bounced like a rubber ball on the ground as she shot him No No. Thank you. Know routes is the stories also claimed that the police found a cigar but with quote, tiny teeth marks that they believed to belong to Parker and the I witnesses ever changing story was soon discredited but the massive negative publicity increase the public plea for a capture of the Barrow gang an attempt to calm the public cries highway patrol leader offered a reward of one thousand dollars for the dead bodies of the grapevine slayers. They no longer wanted them captured. They wanted them dead and the Texas governor. Ferguson. Added another five hundred for each of the killers public hostility increased five days later when Barrow and. Melvin murdered sixty year old constable William Campbell a widower and father near. Commerce Oklahoma they kidnapped commerce police chief Percy Boyd crossed the State Line into Kansas and let him go giving him a clean shirt a few dollars and a request from Parker to tell the world that she did not smoke cigars Don't they have pictures supposedly she was just holding it for the picture and it was very unladylike beside she smokes cigarettes but she never smoke cigars 'cause that's what you need to worry about with your reputation, right? I. Just I wonder about that because okay Kinda does sound like something tiffany would do. Where you go I really like cigars. I'm like now that you would become you know a criminal on the run. But if he did and someone said something incorrect about you, you don't like Leopard prints you had. Just, you'd be like, no KNOB Itch I'd prefer leopard-print, but I will wear the reprint as well. So like the other people in the group would be like just because it's in the thirties listen here bob you're going you're not going to say a word about what you've seen here what you heard and tickets can be oh, by the way I do like. But I don't wear the real stuff I just do the fake prints. Just make that known that would be great. Now, here's a clean shirt L.. Dollars pocket for you. SAFE okay. One thousand percent? Yeah. So maybe you should like them more than you do know Noah draw I have very few lines that I draw but this is what they passed are crossed murder murders allied. Yeah. Lots of murder. You must love my stories not murder lots murder is aligned. What how many murders before we get to the line? It was a while ago so Just meant general but that's by is this in relation to this story? Do I need to go home? Clothing, you're fine. Let's see where we're at Boyd was able to successfully identify both Bonnie and Clyde to authorities but he never learned Melvin name the resulting arrest warrant from the Campbell murder specified Clyde, Barrow Bonnie Parker and John Doe for the first time Bonnie was seen as a killer actually pulling the trigger just like Clyde whatever chance she had for clemency had been Reduced The Dallas Journal ran a cartoon on its editorial page showing an empty electric chair with the sign on it saying reserved adding the words Clyde and Bonnie Captain Frank Hammer had studied the gangs movements and learn their patterns and learned that the pattern they had taken on West to exploit the quote state line rule which prevented. From pursuing a fugitive into another jurisdiction, so they would constantly be skirting. The state lines to avoid police interaction he learned that there is. Centered on family visits and they were due to see Melvin family in Louisiana Hamer put together a group of six. Texas officers and to Louisiana. And on May twenty first, the posse members from Texas were in Shreveport when they learned that Barrow and Parker were planning a visit to be en Ville, parish that evening with Melvin. Shreveport that's probably how you're supposed to say it. But everybody I know in Louisiana called it Shreveport Shreveport, the full posse set up an ambush along the Louisiana State Highway One, fifty, four south of gibbons towards Shreveport. Sales SA les sure. COMES, in a way come. Away Hinton recounted that their group was placed by nine PM and waited the whole next day with no sign of the perpetrators on the morning of May twenty third the outlaw couple picked up two sandwiches breakfast from mock Canfield cafe and goodling and began down highway one fifty to Melvin father's house and approximately nine, fifteen a m on May twenty third. The posse were still concealed in the bushes and almost ready to give up when they heard the rumble of the Ford Eight Barrow. Approaching at high speed when Barrow fell into this trap, the lawman opened fire while the vehicle was still moving Oakland fired i. he was one of the Texas officers probably before any order to do. So Barrow was most likely killed instantly by Oakley's headshot and Hinton reported hearing Parker scream the officers fired about one hundred and thirty rounds emptying their weapons into the car many Bonnie and Clyde spoons would have been fatal yet the to it's survived several wounds over the years and their. Confrontations with the wall according to statements made by Hinton and alcorn. Each of us six officers had a shotgun and an automatic rifle and pistol. We opened fire with automatic rifles. They were empty car even got to us. Then we use the shotguns there was smoke coming from the car and it looks like it was on fire. After shooting shotguns. We'd emptied the pistols at the car which had passed us and ran into a ditch about fifty yards down the road it almost turned. Over. We kept shooting at the car even after it stopped, we weren't taking any chances actual film footage taken by one of the deputies immediately after the ambush show one hundred and twelve bullet holes in the vehicle around which one quarter struck. The couple I have a link to that video. We have a video of it of the footage of the car after the incident Oh. Yeah. That makes more sense. They are still in the car if you decide to watch it just be. Okay their bodies are still in the car. I did not realize that when I initially pulled it up. So it was a little bit shocking. So just thanks for the heads up. Yes. The official coroner's report by Parish Coroner J. L. Wade listed seventeen entrance wounds on. Barrows Body and twenty six on Parker's body including several headshots on each and one that had snapped barrows spinal column Oh undertaker cf Bailey had difficulty in bombing the bodies because of all of the holes. Yeah. 'cause they're stringers oh now pretty much. Birthday I don't know why you even bother with embalming at that point but I guess you had to do your job the deafened officers inspected the vehicle and removed carpet bags and guns that included sawed off shotguns, automatic rifles, and pistols, as well as fifteen hundred rounds of ammunition in the rear seat license plate from Louisiana. Texas Arkansas Oklahoma Indiana Illinois Iowa Kansas, and Missouri I see all of those on. Oh my God hammer stated quote I hated to bust the cap on a woman especially when she was sitting down however if it wouldn't have been her, it would have been us I mean at least he cared. You couldn't even like finish that. I hated to bust the CAP on a woman. The woman was a murderer. Yeah. Especially when she was sitting down such a gentleman. Words of the death quickly got around when hammered, Jordan, Oakley and Hinton. So the Texas officers drove into town to telephone their respective bosses a crowd soon, gathered around the spot. The Louisiana officers were left to guard the bodies, but they lost control of the curious crowd one woman cut off bloody locks Parker's hair and pieces of her dress, which would later be sold as souvenirs that it is going to be. Hinton return to find a man trying to cut off barrows trigger finger. Cool. All Zero no you are going to be so haunted. No, Let. Stripping No, you know what do You broke her back. I thought it was going to need it so not I can't put a finger on why but. Nearly, everyone had begun collecting. Sorry. This is a quote from the coroner. When he arrived at the scene quote, nearly everyone had begun collecting souvenirs such a showcasing slivers of glass from the shattered car windows and bloody pieces of clothing from the garments of Bonnie and Clyde one eager man had opened his pocket knife and was reaching into the car to cut clydes left ear. No I used the deal like I don't care if they were douching also as you don't disrespect that bodies like that they were super. But. You just don't do that. Don't do that. You're going to get haunted. No, don't. Say from Tiffany's. Collect body parts. Don't you're going to get like super haunted. By my bit. uncomfortable. Can you tell who's been watching supernatural? Bird yes. They had the car towed with the dead bodies still inside to the conger furniture store and funeral parlor downtown Arcadia Louisiana. I'm sorry what apparently that was a pretty common practice really like estate sale and Taller I'll in one some reason furniture stores and funeral parlors I guess maybe because like the people can sit on the furniture while they're having the service I, don't know. So like instead of you know quarantine Internet shopping it's grieving furniture shopping maybe. I don't know I do like to spend money when I'm sad. But I, read a couple articles about this and it said that that was pretty common practice to have those two things together but I was pretty enthralled with the topic at hand. So I didn't really dive into that subset of it. The population of the small northwest Lisi in a town of Arcadia reportedly swelled from two thousand to twelve thousand within hours beer that normally sold for fifteen cents a bottle jumped to twenty five cents and they quickly ran out of sandwiches as you to furniture shop eat sandwiches when your morning i Guess Bonnie. And Clyde wish to be buried side by side. But the Parker family would not allow it her mother wanted to grant her final wish to be brought home but the mob surrounding the Parker House made that impossible more than twenty thousand people attended Bonnie Parker funeral and her family had difficulty reaching her gravesite Dr Alan Campbell. Recalled flowers came from everywhere including some cards allegedly from pretty boy floyd and John Dillinger the largest floral tribute was sent by a group of Dallas city news boys thanking basically thanking them because the end of Bonnie and Clyde sold over five hundred thousand newspapers in Dallas alone adds messed up. Parker was buried in fish traps cemetery although she would be in nineteen, forty, five to the new. Crown. Hill Cemetery in Dallas Texas thousands people gathered outside of both Dallas funeral homes hoping for a chance to view their bodies. Clyde Barrows. Private funeral was held at sunset on May twenty fifth. He was buried in Western Heights cemetery in Dallas next to his brother Marvin the barrel brother share a single granite marker with their names on it and an epitaph selected by Clyde quote gone. But not forgotten I really don't like Clyde so I was not impressed by that. Sorry. My knees no wrong could've been more create appeared is original almost one hundred years later talking about him I guess but I don't like kept debt the movies made them seem a lot nicer and I don't like it. To Watch like the PBS version a no I just I watched a lot of different stuff growing up. I don't quite remember I just remember the we're like the cool couple was romanticized and they were out robbing banks and from the rich and given to the poor. Yeah. I don't like the act or kidnapping them and giving them bus fare home. Okay. The bus fare I'm here for that is booby past the. Just, give snacks and put me on a bus. I'll be fine, right the six men of the posse that brought down Bonnie and Clyde each she received one sixth share of the reward money and they were promised that this the total would be close to twenty, six thousand dollars. However, they never received the promised to mountain. They were told to take whatever wanted from the confiscated items in the car. Wash. Well. That's how you get haunted. Hamer. Arsenal stolen guns and ammunition plus a box of fishing tackle under the terms of his compensation package with the State of Texas in July Clyde's mother wrote to Hamer asking for the return of the guns quote you don't never want to forget my boy was never tried in no court for murder and no one is guilty until proven guilty by some court so I hope you will answer this letter and I also hope you return the items I'm asking for and there was. No record of any response to her alcorn claimed Barrow Saxophone from the car, but he would later donated it back to the Barrow family and they also took other personal items such as Parker's clothing. The Parker family asked for them back, but they were refused in the items would later we sold as souvenirs Jordan did attempt to keep the death car for his own but Ruth Warren of Topeka Kansas sued him because she was the owner of the car when Clyde stolen in. On April twenty ninth Jordan returned it her in August nineteen, thirty four it was still covered with blood and human tissue. So basically, all of southwest mid US is haunted with Bonnie and Clyde just like all of it just like it's mattered across the country Oh God. Oh no getting rid of that buddy because it's everywhere fill. In February of Nineteen thirty five Dallas and federal authorities arrested and tried twenty family members and friends for aiding and abetting Bonnie and Clyde this became known as the harboring trial off twenty either pleaded guilty or found guilty. So as we know, the do has been depicted in highly successful movies including the nineteen sixty, seven film Bonnie and Clyde which helped promote a kind of they called it gangster chic in fashion especially in Europe and Japan the historical marker was placed by the Banville perish police at the site of the ambush, and is now a very popular tourist attraction in the Bonnie and Clyde festivals held each may and gibbs land and features a reenactment of the fatal ambush. reenactments are bad. At least the ones that I watched, they're not good. The former Mall Canfield cafe and gibbs land has been converted to the Bonnie and Clyde Ambush Museum and is operated by eljay boots. Who is the son of Ted Hinson the last surviving member of the Posse two years after Ted Hinton's death in nineteen, seventy seven his account of the incident was published under the title ambush the real story of Bonnie and Clyde the nineteen. Thirty four V eight Ford with its bullet holes from the hundred sixty rounds fired by the lawman was rented to show men known as the crime doctor who took the car on a tour around the country an event in Texas two of the Texas Rangers who hunted down the killers, Frank Hamer and mainly Gault showed up and hopped on stage according to Gins Book and other accounts. Hamer slapped the crime doctor in the face. And now the car remains on public display Whiskey Pete's resort and Casino in Primm Nevada along with the shirt that Clyde was wearing when he was shot to death. Wow. That's not even like a classy thing to do. That's just rude and uncalled for I. Don't like that if you want to be haunted by Bonnie and Clyde, you can go to Nevada or you know just across the Midwest. I'm GonNA pass on that. Thank you so much for the offers absolutely anytime I want to go see the car I think that would be fascinating. So that is a the actual story of not quite as romantic and fun and. I was expecting more like comedy Chick flicks staff. Expecting more of a chick flick thing. I'm so happy you're such an optimist. So tiffany watch the hallmark version of Bonnie and Clyde. That's the problem. Yeah. I don't like these classic a clear that up for you right Well on that note of hi thank you for presenting that it was it was good to know because it's definitely changed the way I feel about them. So won't be already for ruining your life dream of being abandoned due. Oh, it's fine. Oh does that change that doesn't change I feel about the Mike Chemical Romance on continue. She brought that note eighties. Remember friends everyone has something that they find odd rob. Research and find out maybe white is or isn't fair. if you have any questionable topics, you like us to discuss you can share them with us on any of our social media's can be found on our website ladies a strange dot com or you can email them to as at the latest drain at Gmail. 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Crimes of Passion Bites: Economic Misfortune

Crimes of Passion

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Crimes of Passion Bites: Economic Misfortune

"Welcome to podcast crime plates. We wanted to give our listeners some additional content to help them dive even deeper into the true crime world. Every week in addition to your normal crimes of passion episode, we're exploring the most fascinating true crime themes covered across the podcast network. We've collected short clips from some of our most popular podcast originals to help us explore ideas like motivation, method and madness and show how interconnected the true crime world really is. You can find the original episodes for free on spotify or wherever you listen to podcasts, a list of episodes that we used. We'll be posted in the episode description. Today we're discussing cases of criminality inspired by economic misfortune. What happens when a person who has fallen on hard times turns to a life of crime. Nobel, prize winner Pearl Buck once said that hunger makes a thief of any man. Bucks seems to be saying that enough desperation can push a person into criminal activity. But this true. Researcher Morgan. Kelly says it is in fact. Kelly discovered that financial inequality increases the rates of violent crime within a community. Kelly attributes this to what he calls strain. This theory states that individuals who based strains and stressors are more likely to commit crimes. Poverty creates many strains and stressors, and as the impoverished grow frustrated with their inability to afford a high quality lifestyle. Their frustration drives them to commit crimes. Yet, this phenomenon isn't just limited to individual action in fact, according to the United Nations Office on Drugs and Crime, economic crises in caused crime to rise overall. Countries experiencing economic upheaval often see robbery rates double while homicide and motor vehicle theft also increase in frequency. In today's crime bites, we'll explore the relationship between poverty and crime and see what happens when volatile individuals suffer from economic misfortune. Our first clip is from podcast original crimes of passion. Covering the most infamous criminal duo of the Great Depression, era, Bonnie and Clyde. The pair rob stores and banks in the Nineteen Thirties, murdering several people in the process. But before the gunslinging couple captivated the attention of Americans nationwide. They were Bonnie. Parker and Clyde Barrow to kids born into poor families. Who Dreamt something more? Clyde was like Bonnie and many ways he was a dreamer. He believed he could unshackle himself from the impoverished life of factory work. And he was two nations and almost everything he did legal or illegal. The Barrow family was a victim of the nineteen twenties farm crisis so early in the decade, the clan was forced to abandon their farmland and moved to West, Dallas Texas. They could not afford a house. The seven children and two parents lived in a wagon in a campground. CLYDES father. Henry was a junk man who hardly had free time. This means that the Barrows were at the bottom rung of one of the poorest neighborhoods in Dallas. But as a teenager, Clyde took to Dallas readily, he saw the Suave put together nature of its upper class citizens and long to achieve their success. He could be more than his campground. He thought he could be a man of substance. He thought he could penetrate the upper as Sean through music, but learn the hard way that even pursuing your artistic passion came at a high price. In one thousand, nine, hundred, twenty, six, a saxophone cost eighteen dollars far too much for a sixteen year old clydes one dollar a day salary. Klein worked in various factories around Dallas and switched jobs frequently. Yet Clyde soon became blatantly aware of the reality that no matter how hard he worked no matter which position he held, there was little he could do to escape poverty. The system was not built for people like Clyde Barrow to succeed. This is perhaps why Clyde turn to crime. Jennifer Sheehy, Skeffington and Jessica, Rae Assistant Social Psychology, professor, and PhD candidate respectively. Founded the stress caused by extreme poverty can alter our decision making processes. More specifically, the anxiety formed when an impoverished person compares himself to others may cost them to make decisions for immediate reward, rather than thinking through a decision that leads to long term success. Clyde initially tried to overcome this by putting in long factory hours and signing up for the United States Navy, To his dismay, he discovered that an illness he suffered at an early age prevented him from ever serving in the military. because. He's pursued sin not lead to instant gratification Clyde became more downtrodden and desperate. All this is to say that at first Clyde Barrow tried to make something of himself in a legal fashion. But the repeated failure, starting to make one thing more and more apparent. If Clyde wanted to break of this vicious social constraint. He had one option. Breaking the law. That clip from crimes of passion we saw that Clyde Barrow tried to make an honest living to afford the things he wanted in life, but he quickly learned how hard it is to escape poverty. After this realization Clyde, dentist brother, Buck began committing petty crimes to make quick cash, but their behavior soon escalated into bigger crimes like car theft. He was arrested. Clyde tried to go straight after his first stint in prison, and he got a job at a glass factory in Dallas, but by this time police knew the name of Clyde Barrow Anytime. A theft or robbery occurred in the area. The police harassed in question Clyde at work. Until eventually, he lost his job without a paycheck. Clyde belt forced into crime once more. But while Clyde Barrows stole cars and bank deposits our next criminal gruesome desperate for money. They stole someone's identity. Coming up we'll discuss the imposture Anna Anderson. Hey listeners. If you're fascinated by the mysterious and manipulative side of true crime, you will love. The stories told in the park cast original series colts. Every. Tuesday step inside the minds of those who lead and followed the most controversial radical and sometimes. In history go beyond the headlines and discover the foundation behind notorious colts like Jim. Jones and Peoples Temple the Rajini Movement. Heaven's Gate and more each episode of colts is full of illuminating details of their improbable origins and sinister intentions. But not all colts are from decades past. Be sure to catch the special four part series on Nexium a modern, Day pyramid scheme, turn sex trafficking cold. Doomsday predictions. Religious beliefs extraterrestrial. find out what really happens inside a Colt. Subscribe to Colts, free on spotify or wherever you listen to podcasts. Now back to the show. According to researcher Morgan Kelly's strain theory economic misfortune can have a great impact on behavior. Sometimes it pressures people so much. It can push them into criminal activity. Our next clip from con-artists tells the story of Francisco Sean Ski. Better known as Anna Anderson. From Nineteen, twenty one until her death in nineteen, eighty-four, and opposed as the Grand Duchess Anna Stacey, Romanov, the real Anastasia Romanov was murdered as a child along with their family, the last royal family of Russia. However Anastasius body was not discovered until two thousand seven, and Francisco saw the doubt caused by the missing body as an opportunity. Francisco Schanzkowsky was born on December sixteenth, eighteen, ninety, six embarek, Pomerania a region on the border of Poland and Germany. She was the fourth of five children. Ponto Anton Marie, Schanzkowsky. The schanzkowsky formerly my ability, however by the time Anton Shuns Kovalski inherited. He squandered it all through alcoholism. The family was poor throughout Franciscus Childhood and moved often chasing work. But this history of nobility, even if only minor, and a few generations removed inspired Francisca to see herself as special. Has Sister Gertrude accused her of putting on as and acting like someone of a higher class. Instead of the poor is daughter she was. She wore her best dresses, gloves and high heeled shoes just to run errands in the village. A study conducted by University of Southampton. That white lines about prestige or successes can actually encourage our minds to work harder to make those embellishments reality. Psychologist Richard H Grams Oh the study organizers said it's important to emphasize that the motives driving personal exaggeration seemed to be interest psychic, rather than public or interpersonal. Basically exaggeration here reflects positive goals for the future, and we have found that those goals tend to be realized. Francisco spoke three languages and attended school until she was fifteen a rarity for someone of their means, she loved books and read all the time hiding in the families covered wagon with a novel while the other children brought in the harvest. She was especially inspired by the story of King Author, who was a lowly orphan, until he found excalibur and the sword made him a king. Francisco wanted more for herself to so in nineteen fourteen. When Francisco was seventeen, she moved from the small town of Higgins off to Berlin Germany for better prospects. That clip from con artists highlighted the early life of Francisco Sean Sculpt Ski who ached for nobility and wealth like Clyde Barrow Francisco initially attempted to make an honest living after moving to Berlin, she had a job as a maid, but lost it when the economy took a downturn Francisco was next employed as a hand grenade Assembler, supplying munitions for German forces during World War Two. Her career lasted until one, thousand, nine, hundred, sixteen went Francisca. Dropped a grenade on the assembly line performing died in the accident and afterwards she was never the same. She was repeatedly committed to hospitals and four years later, she attempted suicide. To avoid being sent to jail, suicide was a crime in Germany at the time. Francisco refused to give anyone her real name. Then at some point, she started calling herself at a Stacey Romanov and gave her a chance for a whole new life. Francisca managed to successfully reinvent yourself and claimed someone else's identity, but in our next clip we'll hear from someone who lived two lives at the same time. Our final clip comes from espionage. It covers us, military intelligence officer and Soviet spy. George, trauma, off as a high ranking member of the US Army George held secret and top secret clearances in nineteen, sixty nine. Nine. He was promoted to the head of the Nuremberg Joint Interrogation Center. But but George was in dire financial straits, as he was financially supporting three ex wives and three children shortly after his promotion reunited with his foster brother, eager, and relate his financial troubles eager was a bishop of the Russian Orthodox Church in Munich and a secret agent for the KGB. Ego decided to help his brother by bringing him into the KGB fold. Georgia's financial problems the perfect opportunity to get him to spy for the KGB. At first, eager reassured George that he wouldn't have to repay the money. But then in the summer of nineteen sixty nine. Gore came to George with the proposition. If he photographed classified documents from the J I see. George could receive a guaranteed stipend from the KGB that would permanently fixed his financial problems. George couldn't believe what ego or was telling him. They had grown up hating the communists and now eager wanted him to help their cause. The Soviets had forced their families from their homes made them into little more than beggars on the streets of Berlin. Furthermore Georgia's proud of his position in the American military. The United States had made George the man he was. He hated the idea of doing anything to harm his adopted country. But! On, the other hand. Nothing May George Happier than living the good life. And at that moment. His life was far from good. He was reduced to living in a tiny bachelor apartment, barely keeping his head above water, his every paycheck went to supporting his family. He tried to convince himself that he wouldn't be doing it to help the communists. It would be in service of mother Russia and he wouldn't provide the KGB with any information on American military capabilities or intelligence strategies. He'd only photograph documents detailing what the US had learned about the USSR. George soon came to a decision. He would help his brother. Eager was delighted. Although discovering American secrets was the ultimate goal knowing what the US news about the Soviet Union was still incredibly helpful. If any important strategies had been revealed. The US are used the intelligence join provided to simply change its approach to whatever the US had learned. To get George started. Ego or provided him with a brand new double frame camera, allowing him to easily photograph two pages at once as well as a tripod into gooseneck lamps for specialized lighting. That clip from espionage, discuss George trauma recruitment as a KGB spy through his foster brother, Eager George would go on to spy for the KGB for at least twenty five years. Is Intel proved so useful? But he was awarded the order of the Red Banner by the Soviet Union a distinction presented to individuals who perform actions in defense of the Socialist Homeland. George trow espionage was ultimately discovered during a sting performed by undercover FBI agent. George was arrested in two thousand and convicted the following year. The criminals are clips. Today were all in economically disadvantaged positions and according to the criminological perspective of string theory, the stress and frustration of their situation caused them to pursue criminal avenues of profit. In crimes of Passion Clyde. Barrow felt stream. By the circumstances, he was born into as the son of a poor farmer in a large family with the Great Depression Looming Clyde resorted to crime because he felt it was only option and as discussed the intro economic crises such as the Great Depression increased robbery and motor vehicle theft to crimes, for which Clyde in the Barrow. Gang were notorious the clip from con artists. Artists showed that Francisca. Shots sculpt ski, desired luxurious life, but when a series of unfortunate occurrences left, you're unemployed hurt and mentally ill. She resorted to posing as the noble woman. 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Episode 370: Bonnie and Clyde Part II - Give Me The Money Now

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Episode 370: Bonnie and Clyde Part II - Give Me The Money Now

"No place to escape to this news. The last time pass on the left. That's the cannibalism started. Ready? I'm ready. Yeah. Oh man. This is nice. It's so nice. It's very nice. We're in the same room year, Los Angeles. Can you feel the radiation? Can you feel the discarded cries of orphans left on the street their dreams broken? They'll never be a model because they have love hand which is exact opposite of what it sounds like because it's things nobody wants to grab the now Kissel, family. We have notorious love handles, we're love handle people notorious their shoes. What do you like? Do you like fucking the, the barrow gang? Member here. This is the last podcast on the left everyone. I'm Ben love handles Kissel. And we got Marcus parks over there. Hey, you're not a love handles person not at all. Zubrowka Henry's browse, your love handles personnel. So I would say it's more of like even the straps these have in the subway. I gotta love strap kinda love saddle back if you just if you were to ride my back, you could grip the front of my belly to stay on me. Absolutely never ending story. Indeed, as parks voice, we don't go out to the side. We go out front. We get a big round outside. He always wanted that though. That's why you gotta be who inspired me to lose weight, though. The big lebowski the dude, I always thought he was the perfect kind of fat, but you know what? He doesn't have love handles jealous. Hard working man's fat, where they just get harder than mental. And they're they're back doesn't have that the that the wings, which is unfortunate. If you've never worked a hard day in your life, such as myself on. All right. Well, now it's time for a total non sequitur segue into our topic today, I will say again, I looking at Marcus is let's say again, massacres are not cool. And it's good to be in the same room with you as when you're saying that because I feel the sincerity I high of change, I don't think any of the stories bad ass. Any of this story banned in all structured life Jude wanted just start? Get a Tommy gun from an old armory. I don't even know if you can even do that anymore. Can you get a Tommy gun? I think we have much more powerful guns now. Tommy. Because you can get the time he got him shirt. Yeah. You can get a time. Again. This is America, my friend. You can get a Tommy gun. Yeah, absolutely. But you can't get an abortion. Let's talk about. Let's talk. That's a different show all together. Okay. Everyone we ought to Bonnie and CLYDE port too. So when we last left, Bonnie, and CLYDE, CLYDE was fresh out of eastern prison farm, and it just formed his first real gang with fellow prisoner. Ralph Foltz and Raymond Hamilton, who is a guy that barrow sorta knew. But didn't really like why does every group of friends have that? Who's that guy that great, Chris, I thought his name was saying, I don't know is that is that a do you just need to have a friend that you just hate? So you can get the lead out not someone every day. I don't know. There's always a good you need to have a an access about you need to tell what a steam release friend, you can all at no matter what and about the group as a whole strong, and then hopefully that friend is just constantly so blackout drunk ironically, it makes him the greatest therapist of all time, because he can't tell on you can't remember what you said now, although this is the story of Bonnie and CLYDE, this is also the story of a gang because there were only short periods were Bonnie and CLYDE, traveled alone, and none of their major crimes were committed when it was just the two of them that's the stuff that I find really interesting. I didn't I didn't truly understand that until I started getting into this, this, this era of history being like, oh, they always had crews and crews changed all the time. Yeah. Right now the barrel game go through many interrelations over the following two years, but out of all the criminal gangs operating in America during the great depression, the barrow gang was small time. Oh, and while the barrow gang was lucky to get fifty bucks in a take most of the time, organizations like the Barker carpets gang ran operations that could net over one hundred thousand dollars in profits like when they kidnapped the founder of Hamm's brewery in Minnesota. No way. Not do that. I wasn't quiet. Just like struggled with. Snap at the metal. Wow. The only time kidnapping was a huge hassle for the barkers was when they kidnapped a banker son named Edward Brimmer in the banker in question, tried to haggle the price down, because he didn't like his son that much. Honestly, that is. So like if you're the kidnapped kid just be like really, really can't pay a hundred bucks. You want a ninety seven dollars to Holden mcnealy would get seventy five dollars parents. Oh, my, the people who stole holding mcnealy that people who kidnapped holding mcnealy would pay us to take them back, then there was the Bailey Underhill gang aka the trash state terror. Ooh. That's the best name yet. It's a great name. They spent six months robbing banks in Arkansas. Kansas and Oklahoma and averaged about eleven thousand dollars per score in nineteen thirties money, which is about two hundred sixteen thousand dollars in today's money as you also had the Holden Keating gang. The hunt Gant gang da there. Gant. Just roll. Like a stumbling drunk. It's old game called the hunt. The gantt. Which, again is a giant ant. So, yeah, it's your Carolus almost six feet, tall, wishing three hundred pounds her go through the forest and you can always find the Pasquet did. It's the discarded slippers and broken branches in the trees. Honestly, instead of ice tea if survive in the game was just them hunt hunting, their larger aunts. That would be the single greatest film of all time. You had the kinds terro gang. The Brady gang and a particularly rough group of psychopaths known as the fleet will gang run by brothers Ralph, and Jake fliegelman. I feel like having a silly name will make you more dangerous. Yeah. I agree hot chick possibly name fleet though. Legal spies. Fuck now they're reasons why these men were forgotten, as opposed to guys like John Dillinger pretty boy, Floyd and baby face Nelson. Part of it had to do with the fact that none of these guys had hook. Oh, donor was good looking baby face Nelson had a great nickname was attached to Dillinger and. Pretty boy Floyd had a great nickname and a great story which will cover in the future. Was he actually pretty, you know that he was fine? It's really about who's just have a question who always a signing these nicknames. He's one of those things like I want to be known like yesterday on the last dream and the left, it was California bed. Yeah. I made myself California Ben, did they give themselves nicknames. Newspapers do it. I know baby. Face Nelson was given his nickname because baby face Nelson would flip the fuck out if you called him baby hated psychopath, the all these guys recycled psychopaths fun. But I think part of it, it's more about an attitude and what the kind of the general consensus of society and the collective unconscious decides what your name is because I said that he's pretty. It's like macho man Randy savage. Right. Right. I mean undoubtedly he is Manley macho macho, but in real life, I'm certainly cried no barely. It was kind of a colossal pain in the ass. That's the theory there. But perhaps a big reason why the guys mentioned before are forgotten is because they were just so many fucking gangs roaming, America, during the great depression. And the barrow gang would have been one of those forgotten gangs. If not for the addition of Bonnie, yes, like no now. No doubt was arrested those losers. When CLYDE, I formed his gang. The only thing he had on his mind was organizing a prison bust at eastern farm, but Notre to do that they needed men and they couldn't recruit more men until they had guns think about how serious this was because because CLYDE was a capital art at that prison, so hard and committed his first murder. They're the only thing he could think of this is going to be a running theme throughout their entire crime, like a C, which is being like how do we get back to fuck up eastern prison? Yeah, absolutely. Now that's not to say that these guys weren't alarmed from the very beginning back then fucking everybody in Texas was armed at all times. According to Gwen, you could buy small caliber, pistols, shotguns on street corners for few dollars. Can kill much like an actual hotdog nitrates, or a real danger to Jackie tell me to disregard it into the Jackie the nitrogen we're going to sink that Molly chip. She needs to be the sausage Queen of America, but it's pleased it's hot dog ambassador. Yes. Journal hotdog ambassador. All right. So you're talking about a time where everyone was armed in Texas, which, I mean that's crazy. I mean, and of course after Columbine when we outlawed all the guns remember that. Yeah. So it's still hard to get them out. Well, the problem with those guns that you bought on the street corner, though was that they were cheap and cheap gun could jam and that gun jammed, I could get you killed if you're using it in the commission of a crime. So in order to get the high caliber guns needed to organize it prison break, the barrow gang needed money and the barrel, gangs, I attempt was at total and complete failure. They're not great. Practice makes perfect on March twenty fifth nineteen thirty to the barrow gang tried to rob. The SIMS oil refinery. Just a block away from clydes father's service station. They are literally like the house of one thousand corpses. The dude who enters captain Spaulding place in the very beginning. And he's like, what was this day, forget to do today? But he's like Earl is that you can see you. But after they tied up all four employees the barrow gang found that the safe was completely empty. So how. Shredding a boss? We got in law about that. We'll also got as much as we can handle grin crack this. The silence. Before staring statement. We'll, I guess I can always learn how to suck dick. They're literally like Adam Sandler and airheads. Well, CLYDE figure that the next best bet would be to rob a Bank up in Minnesota far away from west Dallas. Yeah. Four way from your father could idea. But the closer to Minnesota, they got the colder it was. And at the last minute, CLYDE, talented driver that he was surmised trying to escape a Bank. Robbery on icy roads was a really dumb idea because CLYDE was if anything a fantastic driver. Okay. He was the second best driver to Paul Walker. And you know what did shows is that if you fly too close to the sun? Sometimes you fucking kill a bunch of people in the stands. Absolutely. All right. P by the way, Paul walk. Great actor James. What's he is? I don't know what he's handsome man. I was fine and varsity blues. He's finding it also was a good guy. So the barrow gang turned back, south and settled for a Bank in Lawrence Kansas, it's after checking into a hotel and case in the joint for a couple of days. The barrow gang rushed the building with shotguns as the Bank president was opening for business after the president emptied out, the vault barrow would Foltz lock the staff inside enjoined, Raymond Hamilton, the getaway car, although this number is probably exaggerated. Foltz later claimed that they got thirty three thousand dollars from this robbery worth about six hundred thousand dollars in today's money. That's a big one. Now, I know this runs contrary to what I said earlier about the barrow gang being mostly unsuccessful because even at half that take, even if hope Foltz was exaggerating hundred thousand dollars per dude, not a bad payday at all, not at all. But how they spent the money, almost totally. Gates, the amount they stole for reasons that will become clear later. See rough Foltz new a crooked palm broker and do. Oh, Illinois who specialized in high caliber, weaponry, and bulletproof vests. Of course, everyone knows that the mayor of do cO Illinois was a steam pressure putt. It was this pressure washer this pressure cooker that they had they put a little head on it. And everybody believes in it because he'd never told a lie, but he also weirdly, never told a truth because he never spoke. Great mayor, great, mayor. So Fulton barrow spent their entire take on weapons for the prison break, while Hamilton fucked off to Michigan. Personally. Clyde wasn't that upset because he and Raymond never liked each other? All that much professionally, though, CLYDE was gonna find out without Riemann Hamilton at his side. Clyde barrows really shitty Bank robber. It's like you got to put up with the Pippin man, you gotta have you gotta have one of those guys kind of an asshole. But again, this guy that everybody aids he's steam released valve of the dire friendship and the gang. So everybody could bitch about him safely. But he's also the only one who knows what he's doing then he becomes kind of essential. Yeah. You got to put up with them. But nevertheless, the boys bought forty five caliber pistols, Tommy guns and bulletproof, vests in do cO and started recruiting it's like fucking dust bowl ISIS. Eventually they brought four dudes from Denton in the gang. Johnny Russell Jack Hammett. Ted Rogers and buzz also coup. Sounds like one of those experimental plane pilots, I love those guys were fuck it. They had to be very nonchalant. Yeah. There were suicidal. All these dudes had done a little time. We're totally down with humiliating, the administration eastern by organizing chaotic prison break and the plan was indeed chaotic. Okay. They figured they'd shoot their way and give the guard's weapons of the inmates, and then get the hell out of there and every escapee would just be left to his own devices as far as how he's going to get home. So I'll play it. The plan and to make it more chaotic, they were going to drop a bunch of Kazue's on that round pick one up late because you have a little fun with it and guys it's crazy guy. Listen to me. Okay. What if what if we did it thing where we released a budget pies on spring, and we said, oh, it's a tornadoes date. Date guys. By hunger for key lime pie. Now members was less than we had that about two weeks ago. Okay. Mabel. Okay. The only part of the plan that was specific in any way was Clyde's insistence that they get Aubrey scaly out of their scaly being the man who taken the heat when CLYDE murdered his rapist with a lead pipe. Well despite the vagueness of the plan, the new gang. They were gung ho and rechristened themselves, the lake Dallas gang in honor of the nearby lake but it were about to discover a fatal flaw in the plan. Oh man. There's no brains in our hand. This is a problem because I am not for sure how I learned to eat. Turns out the boys that got fucked and dupe. Oh, yeah. A lot of boys got fucked. Another episode a win. They went out to lake Dallas to test the new weapons and armor, the gang found the bullets went right through the vests to most of the guns, wouldn't even fire, and that's where they had spent all of their mind man, man. You know what? It's never good when you're bulletproof vest is a fish net. You really wanna make sure you ought full coverage their full coverage. It's very interesting to see because you are dealing with the criminal world. Right. So you don't know whether or not you how do you find a trustworthy gunrunner, do you find these people that you can believe that are actually going to help you, it, it's not a double cross at a double cross. And every single everybody's wearing a wire. Everybody's got code words for everything else. So it was back to square one. No, I figured they'd need more guys, so, CLYDE, Bonnie and Foltz headed up to Amarillo to try to recruit a few contacts that full-time had now. It's important to note that Foltz like everyone who ever joined the barrow gang didn't mind, having Bonnie come along. Honestly, it's really strange should not have the like, oh, she's the Yoko of the group and Taliban where it's like you're super super afraid that in the middle of a of a Bank robbery, she's a star going. Horrible artistic siren. Well, you know, I mean it's hard. It's that's what that is. And that might actually be a good thing. Like sometimes basketball coaches do that. Crazy thing where they're like one of our players is going to get down on all fours embark like a dog track. The other team this actually happened a few times plan. It's worked. Yes. So she could have done that. Well, almost everyone, who was a part of the barrow, gang one point, or another loved Bonnie because in their opinion. She was our ticket thoughtful witty, most times, good for morale and later on an active participant. Well, I do wish we had a woman involved in this room. I wished it is nice to have woman in the game. Because you gotta have somebody everybody else doesn't think it's gross. You can put some nipples on my love handles. They had their own Patty Hearst in some ways. Well, no, not Patty Hearst. Because Bonnie was not tricked into coming wasn't any sort of kidnapping thing where she like learned to love it, where she turned like, Bonnie was fucking in inning. She knew exactly what she was doing. And she knew what she wanted, she was at the beginning of a learning curve. All everybody else was already starting to do career criminal behavior where CLYDE kept saying, like, you know, you can get out of this. It's like you don't have to call them. Well, man ball, now you have to come. And she's a site come up that, you know, have good following. For a while. You just have to be like, you're in the gang will you have to just accept her than I do. Love, your really quite adorable interpretation of mass murderers. But the trip to Emory low was a bust in the gang. Only found trouble north of Dallas on the way back. They ran out of gas, and they would have been stuck there. If not for a mailman named Bill Owens, when Owen stopped offer. Help the gang pull their guns took them hostage, and they all drove off and Owens car. They let Owens out a little down the road. But Owens, had a couple of requests, one he'd appreciate it, if they left him as mailbags people need to male baby through mail. I mean, honestly, I've met a lot of postal workers in starting doing this podcast. And I really do believe on the honor of the postal service. Sometimes they will just go punch of Christmas gifts in dumpster, which that did happen in New York several years in a row. There's really nothing better than every local news story around Christmas, when they just show, a bunch of Amazon delivery, drivers punching boxes. Box. And also those Amazon boxes there smiling at you. You're just doing that thirteen hours a day. Meanwhile, your kids are out there but, like where am I? But Owens had one more request. He would also appreciate it. If the barrow gang would set his car on fire. Why? Because the government will be forced to buy a new. Worked old city truck. They took the truck and his I tell you what, if there's one thing I wish you could do for me was reverse the affects Vietnam kid. Kid kits truck. Fire forced to give me a new one with new book. It was everyone committing fraud picked up a male and he was kidnapped. And then he became a felon. Glad thought this is funny as hell. Yeah. We did it. No one's got. He got a new car. It's a fucking jackass. Sweet. This is back when America was free, we could just set fire to her car in the side of the road, and not a lot of people are asking a lot of their big nosy. And this is still good times like this is still like they haven't really hurt anybody. They're still just kinda running around know setting cars on fire, like reckless. 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We're stealing. Another female does modest ticket, but to take to the fair. Would love to see the the just really grateful arrested light bulb that went off. Well, the target was a hardware store in Kaufman. Now, this isn't as dumb as it sounds back, then you could walk into a hardware store in Texas and by a hammer and a Tommy gun for a few hundred bucks, and there was narrow question asked much less background check which now I think about it really isn't all that different from what WalMart does. Now jab it. Can't get off a Maddox at WalMart. You know what I believe one of our good friends went to WalMart at one o'clock in the morning. Absolutely hammered. And they let him by Scott gut. Yeah. Because it can only hurt those that are close to you. The barrow gang. Not surprisingly had planned the hardware store, heist badly. Because on the night they tried breaking in the night. Watchman and Kaufman spotted the gang set off the alarm and opened fire. There's also a lot of people packing heat and just shoot net. Fucking callers, just do shit. You fear steel and they're stealing money from I understand that they're stealing from a hardware store, and it's, it's bad, because it hurts local business, but still at the same time, they don't need to be lit up. I XE everyone's acting linked to DC sniper. What is going on in this weird wild west world? Listen to this. Although that was the middle of the night. The alarm woke up the whole town and the whole town woke up armed and ready to go a little hat. Honestly, this is got to be scary time. I wonder I imagine they're still towns in America that are like this, where legitimately the Bank alarm goes off. People would just emerge from their homes with their guns. But that's just talking about openness stakes just for stealing gum or some. Unfortunately, I think most people would go to the Bank with wheel barrels hoping to get some of the money. So while the gang was trying to find a route out of town dodging gunfire, the whole time the police set up a roadblock to choke the highway. So once the gang saw the roadblock, they pulled a u-turn and headed out of town on country roads. And that was just dressed up one of the sheriff's deputies. It's a really pretty lady. What was the roadblock exactly? Oh, you hit the road block was just to the, the fattest sheriff line on inside completely nude. This is the only way they'll stop Jerry. I actually think that we could use these horses. We can use would partition. Yeah. I gotta would partition this is your first. Car-chase. Yeah. So they're fucking knee rip out, and they said the first thing that was really ski I like mind blowing thing to happen. Is that CLYDE just like knows how to do the draft like this, this shit that we were talking about before where he can switch? Just pop to you. We hard in the fucking spraying mud everywhere. It's co-, it's carry romantic. Yes. And at this point, they haven't heard anyone yet not yet. Okay. I mean, normally CLYDE barrow would have been driving a brand new stolen Ford V eight noon, as a model eighteen now this car, the Ford V eight first released in nineteen thirty two was the first to be fit with the Flathead v eight engine, which easily made it the fastest and most powerful car on the road. So while most law officers were piddling around and cars could barely go. Thirty five miles per hour. Clyde was going seventy. It's pretty sweet. And I watched him footage of a v eight, go into which is like, you know, you gotta have I win tonight saw this. They are wile booking their volun- nemesis somewhat drive. Yeah, no seat belts. That was probably a safe gates explode. Whatever may cap the engine a bomb. Yeah. That'd be cool. But during this robbery and Kaufman, CLYDE wasn't driving V8.. He was in a big heavy Buick. Oh, but he can go through a brick wall in that thing he can. But the problem was that he was having to go out of town driving on a dirt road. And they're just been a huge rainstorm. So the Buick just sunk right down in the mud, the left with no other choice, CLYDE bony. And Foltz took off on foot at about one m the gang came a farmhouse and woke up the farmer demanding car, but the farmer didn't have a car. Oh, god. Hug on fats sewed. It calls all got one of these. It's a bit of a country caught. It's called the old mule, which is what he gave them. Dave. You'll like that. So the barrow gang took off on Bareback Bonnie and CLYDE on one you'll and full. It's on the other. This, this is their first car chase ever guides. Don't get numb to this because it is going to happen again. And again, and again, these guys live at breakneck speed for the next two years, I'm not on the mule. Definitely, but if their first car chase lose the Buick in the mud. Gotta get up there. All Trojan in full suits, suits dress shoes. Bonnie split dressed up in her fucking heels, they're covered in mud. They get a mules and now that just don't mules and try to. Try to. Trying to get away from the cops as fast as it sounds like they're going to a shed to me with the baby. Jesus. Or something strange journey. Are they on that about, Don? They came upon the town of Kemp and HotWired a car that was owned by a doctor named scarsdale, but only drove it about a mile before they ran out of gas. What? You gotta check the gas inject the gauge. But now with the townsfolk of camp on their ass, they had no choice. But to hide in the brush and the gang stayed hidden all day 'til about five with the townsfolk searching all around literally thirty people on foot just run it after. Just like pretending to be a mannequin in a store. Window tried to be a Bush, finally they lost their nerve and made a break for it to a store across the road from where they were hiding, CLYDE figured, he could hot wire a car before anyone noticed and the gang could be on their way because CLYDE, could hot wire car in less than five seconds be in the door and off. Bonnie should've just said, make sure this one has death in but the townsfolk were too fast for so cli- pulled out his gun and started shooting above their heads hoping to scare them off. But instead of running townsfolk fired back and hit, Foltz in the arm now, CLYDE, had a decision to make all three of them had fled to a muddy creek bed, and Clive knew that he could make it, but only on his own tiny, Bonnie couldn't keep up and Foltz was wounded. This is important to remember because this will happen to us. Three it does come down to it, and we are pinned down by gunfire. One of us is going to have to make. Decision about scrambling for it. And only one of us is the fastest person in Tennessee within twenty. Yeah. That's something you've called yourself, but I'm saying so one of us all three of us just survive, because you're too, slow your wounded, you wearing heels in a full flapper travel. What happened? How did we get there Marcus's way down by the guns? And he's been shot four or five times. A cop each inch of his cock has got one bullet in it. But his cock, so tough from years of weathering able just visit delay on top like little bon-bons. Yes, I have to go for help. Okay. Money. So CLYDE made a decision, he left, both of his companions behind and decided to fight another day, he jumped out of the creek bed in ran headfirst at the posse. I got lucky to members of the posse were reloading and they were so surprised to see CLYDE running straight at them the CLYDE skated right on by the posse. Figure two prisoners was good enough. So they let CLYDE go and arrested Bonnie Parker in raw faults, it's, but honestly, the last view of CLYDE, as he's doing his criminal math, looking at Bonnie colts and folks, like. Manning bodies. Where we go until now hope a goal until the ball install, and she's just staring at them just being, like I promise. I'll be back. Fuck it creek bed. It's gotta be very harrowing at that time. But he was correct. Because in the end who's going to someone's got to be on the outside to come back and fucking get you. Sure. Sure, I will say is a big man Matale man, heavy man, a small person running at me is horrified. I do not trust small because you never think to get anywhere. But no, no. We knew though. Yeah you. Oh, yeah, yeah, we'll get. We'll get right up on you. You don't know. You're a little pockets. I know I'm looking at the dick is, oh, yeah. Can. Dick, strangely aroused when the local doctor was brought in to treat Ralph's arm Foltz discovered that doctor's name was scarves nail. This is brilliant, and it was the doctor that, they'd stolen the car from that morning as a result scarsdale suddenly forgot his Hippocratic, oath and refuse to treat the wound. Pitch. It's a bitch move far with the car. He still had his car. Yeah. It was to happen mile down the road spine. So, in other words, the eastern break had to be put on hold because now CLYDE had to rescue faults. She's it was decided that the best thing to do with Bonnie though, was it just let her wait, it out, because they had a plan the plan of Bonnie was ever caught was to have her put on her best doa, I'd innocent, little girl face until the cops that she'd been kidnapped by the horrid Berrow gang. And she didn't know nothing about no rub. Nothing about no robberies officer and I don't know how this dress got on me and I don't know even how I got here. And I don't remember my name my name is Lonnie watch Dirani. So it was down the CLYDE to rescue faults. Now, CLYDE did manage to get a few guns in a burglary done, and Selena Texas with the remaining members of his gang. But in the process, client exit had accidentally broken into the drugstore next to the hardware store. I for some reason, the mayor was hanging out in the drugstore that night. Amen. If you're within fifteen feet of the mayor's mansion, the Blasios just hangs out of the pizza store, he exercises that are managers, Jim. So he is round Sureau, right? Was the guy taking a bunch of lewd or something? What was the mayor doing and then no idea CLYDE was forced to take him a few other employees, hostage and tie him up an empty box car while he went back to get the gun. Oh, my, so the mayor's been tied up mayor's been tied up a small town. Free. He's got the same. He's got the same Italic the brewer from hams bird. He just off his moustache. Funds. Sounds like a cartoon Walvis but we CLYDE, and another member of the gang. We're not to try a little target practice with the new arsenal. Someone called the cops on the gunshots and the gang was forced to abandon all their new guns board. What why are they so bad at this so far? What was more Jack Hammond, and fuzz also showed up late to target practice? This is what happens gets all about showing up on time. This is what happens when you show up play the cops were there waiting and both Jack and fuzz got arrested. Won't you be fair? If we ever go shoot off a bunch of guns I'll be early. You'll show up early to anybody. I'm always on. Do I have to quote fucking Gandalf? Again. I'll take the ashes. That's the actor who plays Gandalf. Meanwhile body was doing just fine in jail. Members of both her own and of clydes family made regular visits and kill me even brought Vanni new shoes and underwear that have been bought by CLYDE, but team that was how she sorted knew that CLYDE, was planning something, but she also didn't really know she's like sitting there being like a hope he comes. Because you because they were holding are waiting for trial, but they obviously, but the jailers they love it's funny. It seems like everyone loved Bonnie. But now, what kind of underwear are we talking here, but we're talking like the granny panty or was it a thong underwear was wearing where people wear a back? Then nineteen thirty two depression era underwear. They come with stains, pooh-pooh streets. Hey man, I say they're everybody else's depressed and everybody around us depressed why make your penny set. But what Bonnie's time in jail is defined by is the collection of poetry that she wrote called poetry from life's other sides. Oh, I've seen live journals and pages all name. Admittedly. It's not Byron. But on the other hand, it's not Dennis Rader, either really, it's just the idol writings of a twenty one year old girl, you know, poems about absent lovers OEMs about women growing old before their time and especially fantasies about crime. But the poem that became somewhat well known is one called the story of suicide, Sal. Oh, how that story. Over the course of one hundred fifty lines, Bonnie who for some reason, put quotation marks around round random nouns verbs reasons. No one can really figure out, she tells the story of a gun mall jilted by her criminal boyfriend, and here is a small, exert a took the quote on quote, rap like a quote, unquote. Spokesman, not even one, quote unquote squawk, did I'm Jack quote unquote, dropped himself on the quote unquote, prompts. We'll make it a quote and quote said, Seishiro break, well to short length is sad story. Five years, have gone over my head without even as much as leda at first, I thought he was dead, a short while ago, quote unquote discovered from gal and the quote unquote, joint name, quote of Kook Cain that Jack and his quote unquote mall. Had quote unquote got in a weird bracket bracket for some reason to Mary, and he was planning on quotas. Pope going straight. Now he had returned to me some time, though, we had an opinion to give forget all this, quote unquote hail. He has caused me and love him as long as I live. But there's no chance if his ever coming for he and his quote unquote, mall, have no fees, but that I will die in this, quote, unquote prison. Oh else, quote unquote flatten. This fifty years, it's just it's a very real prison. It's not any like finger Briz. Originally ingrained in eighties. I don't know. I think to denote slang, but prisons not slang now and erupt I don't believe this land is named Kate. That's not slang. That's just someone's name could be slang for, like, oh, like a Bank slip. Hey, could be like slang for something like the name of the gun. A lot of this is slang like sensational break. Squawk sportsman rap joint mall but discovered is not slang. No interesting. Okay. Not that bad, though. Like you said it definitely better than be much better. And it is quote unquote discovered. If you just happen upon your wife and up a man, you've hired to make love to your wife. You're watching like through the closet door. I can't believe this happened. I'll just stay here. I guess here's the thing about Bonnie's jailhouse poetry, even though she knew all the criminal lingo. It's not like Bonnie's goal in life was to actually be a criminal on. She just wanted to be somebody and crime just happened to be the door. She walked through to get there. Awhile, Bonnie was writing all this, CLYDE barrow was about to take the first big step into what would make the barrow gang famous for the first time, a man was about to die as a direct result of the barrow gangs actions. So now although a lot of the gang was in jail, CLYDE still had to eat. So he never stopped being a criminal and CLYDE, new another criminal named butcher whose parents owned a jewelry in general store. So, in April nineteen thirty two CLYDE, and the remaining members of the gang Ted Rogers, and Johnny, Russell figured, John. Butcher store was going to be easy, Pickens. In fact, CLYDE scouted the place himself what didn't know though is that Jon butcher. Wife recognized him didn't say anything because it was obvious that CLYDE was case in the joint, y'all got any money. Yeah. Why was he this is not the first time he's been discovered casing spot? Right. No, no. Why? What's honestly do? What was he doing? Honestly. There is a part of this. It's about celebrity, and creating a name, CLYDE barrow wanted the recognition, he wanted people to know or he was in Bank robber. But this is at a time period, would the two of them believe that being famous and mattering quote unquote to be like, Bonnie to society was more important than anything else. They're trying to elevate themselves so CLYDE barrow he'd get fucking dressed up to the nines to go case this store, and in full goes also, he's better dressed than everybody else. You already stands out now wearing a hip suit and a fucking nice hat in the middle of the poorest fucking place in the world. And so he wanted eyeballs on him. That's interesting. I mean that idea the idea that you can buy freedom with celebrity is still exists in this country today. It's completely true were they literally thinking, like if we get super famous of this shit, we're just gonna skate because people are going to like us so much. Well, we won't get charged. Now, it wasn't that the idea of celebrity as we know it today, didn't really exist back then they knew the whole time like, oh, we're gonna die. That's, that's just it. They did not have any allusions whatsoever, about skatin-, or getting off on a light sentence over this, again, and again throughout the series is that they wanted. They were like we're gonna die together. We're going to die doing this. That's how criminals and we also twenty one so you have a different concept of, like we're going to do this to the death, where now as a thirty five year old I, I will cling to this life, and I will not go gently into good night out. It's a trying to shut off the machines. When it came time to rob the store, CLYDE was the getaway driver. So, CLYDE, wasn't actually, even in the store when all this half win. Ted and Johnny stuck up the place though. The robbery was going about as smooth as it could until butcher opened up the safe right next to the jewelry was a gun. And as soon as butcher went for it Roger's opened fire and killed them. Yeah. So the to grab the loot took off out the door admits, the screams, butcher's wife and hopped in the car, CLYDE took off when they account for the loot later, they found that Jon butcher had died for about fifteen hundred bucks. Oh my goodness. But in this story of body, and CLYDE, people would die for less amount of money, much looting the entire gang. I'm so this is the beginning of it's actually more like fucked up tragedy. Because this is the this story is one of the first many contested of we don't really know what happened minute by minute. And they know that the there was a gun in the safe and butcher, and Rodgers were there. Together NATO new shot. I they don't know what happened, but that guy was just fucking dead. There's a lot of people that again, there's many ways like the highway men, which I recently tried to watch recently to which tries to show CLYDE, and tried to show, Bonnie and CLYDE, as psychopaths were just more of just being like it's just when you strap on the life, all of the baggage that comes with it comes with the two, you want to live a life of murder, and mayhem, it's gonna fuck and show up for you. Honestly, the highway men, great supergroup. And if you go into critics free silver stallion man. Break. So were they just freaking out where they just like or did this person? Was it calculated the murder or just like, oh my God. We'd better reactionary. The murders were never calculating. The murders were always reactionary. That was the end of the lake. Dallas, gang thing was though, Ted Rogers, didn't get the rap for it since CLYDE, a case, the store earlier. They knew that CLYDE was involved, but police didn't have any clue who Ted Rogers was, but Ted Rogers looked eerily, like, Raymond Hamilton who, if you'll remember at fucked off to Michigan months before after the barrow gangs, only real successful robbery up to that point, as far as the third guy went the cops just went down the list on clydes known associates and blamed Frank clause. The second story man from the first episode, the CLYDE really hadn't hung out with since he met bunny, everybody. That was connected to CLYDE barrow. He's like a fucking virus kind of where. Everybody got touched is in it just spreads. Because these people were doing casual crime, and they thought that in the end, if you are just robbery, little grocery stores, does sound innocent, and you're getting a little pockets here. And then, but, like, when we cover serial murderer, it's it has the same sort of escalation, obviously, you're not going to be satisfied with the amount of money. You're getting in the amount of risk. You're putting yourself under an order to just get dirty dollars at a go. So as the crimes get more severe sodas the fucking earner Shah of that chaos that causes more and more bullshit. Yeah. And it's not. I mean when we sit earlier, like you know, they hadn't hurt anybody yet, like they hadn't physically hurt. Anybody yet? I mean, they're still I mean having a gun pointed at you and have you store robbed is not any fun. And then, of course, CLYDE would say, look, old, thanks, big ankles, rose. He was not. He was not me. You was really, it's really sad. He goes, I wouldn't book that guy with. FDR's. Wife's you remember that. I remember that joke that he gave those ridiculously mean. So a warrant was put out for the arrests of CLYDE barrow, Frank clause, and Raymond Hamilton for the murder of Jon butcher, even though Frank had been in Dallas, Raymond had been in Michigan, and CLYDE had been in the car, and this marked the beginning of CLYDE barrows reputation as a killer. So usually bounty, hunters, only got rewards of twenty five to fifty bucks for murder Sut for murder suspects. But CLYDE, had just been paroled by the governor a few months before in this murder may the governor look really fucking bad. So for the murder of Jon butcher, the governor placed a bounty of two hundred and fifty dollars on Clyde's head ten times the normal amount man beat it, bounty hunter. Sounds like it's fun. I wanted to be one for a while. And then I realized that I'm like, not a cop dog the bounty hunter. He is. So small, you could actually use like your right. No. Any now. Now, that's what I'll do you should. Yeah. And when you're a bounty hunter most of it is repossessing cars, but that's cool to on fire. With the ironic thing about this is that now that CLYDE was a suspected murderer the cubs actually came around the barrow house, less sly, see before it wasn't too much skin off, cops asked waste both his and clydes time by bringing CLYDE in on suspicion of theft because it made look like the cop was doing actual work instead of just fucking with someone's life. But now that CLYDE was capable of pulling a trigger out suddenly too much for the police to handle, they need more manpower. They need more effort. And so they just said, Yep. Because you, you can't just go and fuck it knock on the door and go, like push around and check his pockets anymore because I think he's gonna show up but he's gonna fuck it pop. You right. You guys know I love Wendy. And if you have a dog, you know, you want what's best for the dog are you don't want to go to the store. I always I go to the nice pet food. 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Meanwhile, Foltz had been sentenced to another ten years at Eastham for the robbery in Kaufman making that his third trip to the farm by the time he was twenty that's not fun now as far as how Bonnie was doing the advice that Foltz and CLYDE, given her about, what she should do if she was ever caught was turned out to be solid after listening to her side of the soaring. Kaufman grand jury released her toe can I get fuck outta here and on her way out? Bonny gave a stack of poems to the Kaufman jail janitors wife, which is why we're able to read those points today. Oh, she makes any fresh. A lot of was plucky. She was kind of, like ori- petty. Lori pity yet kit. Tank girl Lori petty league of our own swing it too. High winds. Yeah, there's no crying in baseball. And the army paulie shore others dough cried in the army petty. Yeah. I remember that even though life with CLYDE had been rough and even though CLYDE, had run off and left her in a muddy ditch Bonnie ran right back news arms as soon as she could. She go short mean. Short. You don't avoid. Sick of that, man, you get sick of a man, you could possibly fit entirely inside. Meanwhile Raymond Hamilton was returning to west Dallas from Michigan to find out that he was wanted for murder. So what's that? Now, I wanted for murder. Oh, really? Let's pretend you didn't see me. I'm just gonna walk backwards. It will never happened, but Raymond figured fuck. It once a criminal always a criminal and through back in with Bonnie and CLYDE. Okay. So the three of them headed up to Wichita falls, and rented, an apartment as a base of operations, which falls. Right. North of Dallas little bit. I mean it's not a big town about the size of Abilene half size Lubbock, but it's big enough. I love, I love your humble brag about Texas geography. One even asked that question, and it's like is just immediately going into father mode. I. You're curious about which falls. Honestly, when we did the meet and greets in all throughout the taxes, everyone's has been on. I'm markus. You ever been to knife? Oh, yeah. Not pretend. That's like ten miles east. Yeah. Then it's about forty five miles south of below Glen per ten right now. There's a mum's offering that in his actual only seventy five miles northeast south. Totally. In enough mumps. The town is actually having a measles outbreak right now. It's gotta go crazy, if you guys ever want to know how far mcgonagall is from Elektra, then I'll let you know it's just a few months is not a update. Just a few miles south of myemma all. Rambling MC directionless. I don't know like the person who can fit the most marbles in their mouth will name our town mcgarrigle in it is don't even get me started on pampa. I never noticed that Texas geography is like an unofficial. Hobby of everyone that lives in Texas describing your state. Well, in Wichita falls, the barrow, gang began a small series of robberies that usually didn't net more than a few hundred dollars a time. And really, if the barrow gang was willing to live dirt style that would have been just fine dirt. Dirt style. Sounds. Very uncomfortable. Third southbound fucking lifestyle, actually, I live dirt style. Yeah. Okay. Maybe my mind is going to a darker more sexual place at showers every other day, wearing pants until they fall apart. That's what he likes where I have actually. I understand. Buddying clydes. I understand this. I understand like dressing up now because they came from shit, and they'd like looking nights. They always insisted on wearing the finest clothes, and they always insisted that every member of the gang look just as good as them but at costs money, right? Yeah. After one particularly good take from a robbery at a packing company. Clyde, Raymond and new gang member Ross Dyer figured they were due for a little. Boys. Not out celebration. Got to man, Bonnie. Let them up the fucking chain mints. I'm for Claude go get them dancing shoes. Okay. So they dropped off Bonnie and west Dallas piled into their brand new stolen, Ford V eight and drove north toward string town. Oklahoma population nine hundred a whole nine hundred. That's three times bigger than a town, I grew up in string towns. Not bad. So it's big. Gets big straight town. String town wasn't their intended destination, but as they drove through, they couldn't help, but hear music coming from the town center. We'll say is that gay? My mom brought it said to tap, those toes, turned out people string town. We're having a ho down at the city pavilion, really. Yes. So the gang decided they go take part not predictably, the barrow gang. Looked a little out of place in string town, Oklahoma. Now, this was dust bowl, country, and suddenly, three dudes in their early twenties. Wearing fancy suits and driving. A brand new car were rolling up demanding wildcat whiskey in a dancer, two with the local girls you can just see the record stop like an animal house, when they walk into the African American bar. The Blackhawks stares at that. Oh, yeah. Dude, it was like when we walked into we're Natalie's grandmother lives in Michigan. It's this tiny tiny town, and we walked into this locals bar and it's just like Natalie and leather pants and Mike tight like pentagram thing on honored like she's flicking looking hot. I walk in with tiny, little my tiny pants. My fun or west coast been used the term quota code west coast shirt and hat, people just staring at us being like so when you when you. Fancy people. Honestly, it's good. Tell them where you're from enlighten them now, as I mentioned, at the top of the series, the people that died as a result of the barrow, gangs, actions or not hardened cops or Bank and bigwigs. They were just regular folk looking for a way to get by and there was no better example of that than Undersheriff Eugene more see guys like Eugene had no training, and we're not provided with any weapons whatsoever. How did they become a sheriff? They just they just they just needed bodies. And these guys were paid like by the arrest by Tokyo, this time, also, this is the middle prohibition right when this happening. So they're not necessarily supposed to be drinking. But they turn a blind eye away from these things unless you take pointed way to pull you over kind of like the way the even cops do now where it's like they, they're going to the suspect, you or if they need to run your license plate or something like that. And they'll say. There's something wrong with your tail light, and pull you, right. Yes. Eugene hugest walking in with a rickety old, six shooter because these guys had to provide their own guns. And that's all Eugene hat. And the only reason why the cops were even there at the dance that night was to stop fights. And the only reason why those cops approach the barrow gang was because the local boys were about to beat the shit out of him for being asshole. There's showed up at all these fanciest clothes dancer with your girlfriends. Oh, you have a car that does not belong to him. Your car, and they're drinking, everybody's smoking boots. But even though the cops didn't know about the butcher charges. Those charges were still pretty fresh memory in the minds of both CLYDE, barrow, and Raymond Hamilton, because that incident that only occurred three months before this, and they also just won the dance off. They were feeling. So because CLYDE has been like, oh you ready for this, yet, it's about to get Brong on. And then he did the first ever, be boy, and potentially crew was the first ever be boy to ever exist. And it was the first man to do the hip spin until you put. Until you put down the corporate boxes. And if we look what's that was that, like, did you like weird like old school? Hip hop who was fucking mind-blowing made those country boys really upset web -solutely wasn't it Jesse Spanos from saved by the bell at the max the sprain. Remember that day, the sprain sprained her leg, maybe it was Kelly Capelle scheme. It sounds like a Kelly new. Yeah. I always think of the stripper movie. Oh, gee. Yes. So when sheriff Charlie Maxwell, put his foot on the V8.'s run and board to tell the boys that they were under arrest for drinking barrow gang didn't take any chances and now we have to correct the record. I believe he was showgirls. Yeah. Talking about yoga. History was Demi Moore and also think of quite often. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. And Burt Reynolds. And you know, a that was a career resurgence for him because boogie nights came next. Oh us. Great. And he said, no to everything good afterwards and is dead. New kid anyways when the sheriff tried arrest in the boys, they opened fire the sheriff was not to the ground instantly and dropped his gun but a bystander picked up the gun immediately and took up the job of opened fire on the game. Losing the ball and football, yeah, he's just the sheriff. Just like whoever has the goes onto Schoff. No. You're the dog now man. The CLYDE tried taken off, but got flustered and overturn the car after driving over a Culver because he was also probably drunk as well. Those thing about CLYDE, those that CLYDE usually didn't drink because he always wanted to be on his guard. Right. It was probably because of this incident right here. I think that this was the defining moment for CLYDE barrel. You realize that there's no more fun and games. You actually can't go back to being a normal one year old anymore after being wanted for murder. Yeah, so the three barreled out of the car and started firing towards their pursuers and ended up fatally shooting Undersheriff Eugene, more sheriff Maxwell was saved only by a bootlegger who poured whiskey into the womb. This is a miracle. Have been shot six time. This is why I want to say to anybody that tries to tell us about our drink, and quote, unquote to be Bonnie problems, sometimes it's the only solution it's a medicine for my gut. No, they didn't drink. He didn't put the whiskey in his mouth. He poured the whiskey on the wounds to steroid race. But that goes right into the bloodstream, then. Yeah. Well, it was at this point that CLYDE barrow was what you might call irrevocably in irretrievably fuck, see before he might have been able to play down the butcher murder because he'd just been the driver. But now, multiple witnesses had CLYDE barrow pointing a gun at a police officer pulling the trigger and killing them and damn near killing a second. Cop in the process. Okay. Clyde was now permanently on the run. If he didn't wanna ride the light. It like again to talk about Syra Kelly. Would you kind of create an atmosphere validation for yourself where somebody was going to happen to make sure that he stayed at yeah, it seems like he wanted this in a in a way. Yeah, well, the thing is about Bonnie and CLYDE, though, is that they didn't have a death wish. They didn't actually want to die. Clyde, just knew that he'd rather die than go to prison in Bonnie would rather die than be without CLYDE. Oh, true. Love nine of the sale extreme co dependency, you could say that. You don't need that you can be happy to Bonnie seemed to kinda like it after the gang returned to west Dallas where Bonnie had been staying with her mother. It was Ponti who took the lead on planning out where the gang should run to next. Oh, yeah. It's always a match made in heaven when your significant others. Like let me smell the gun, soon as you get home to make sure that you fired it to kill someone got gotta be into what makes you, you. You know, I'm married Natalie because of a mutual love for aliens at didn't. That is what's because you have to love. They have to love the thing that normally makes other people repelled. Yes. Absolutely. Okay. Well, embodies mind the murder of Eugene Moore was not clydes fault. Oh, Weinheim, how not well embodies mind if the cops hadn't been hassling, CLYDE. Then he wouldn't have been quote unquote forced to shoot them. Yeah. Well, in-depth wins words, Bonnie was an enabler, and it was Bonnie who suggested that the gang go to New Mexico after the murder and string town to wait out some of the heat, this is objectively, smart move, because the barrow gang hadn't done any crimes in New Mexico. They weren't wanted to New Mexico and the Texas cops in the New Mexico. Cops famously didn't get along together. They didn't talk to each other at all. Honestly in New Mexico. They're just like par for the course assume there's a, a criminal element in nineteen thirties, New Mexico, the stronger than them. Oh, yeah. So, CLYDE, drove Bonnie and Raymond Hamilton four hundred seventy miles in one day to Carlsbad New Mexico just wearing socks as he drove because that's how we always throws cut off two of his toes and eastern. God sewage like the scene in the big lebowski when you pan down, and you just see you're missing foot. She actually didn't have. Okay. Well, they arrived at the home of Bonnie's, aunt a woman named Millie stamps. He does turns out though this was actually a bad move. Oh, I'm Bonnie didn't know where aunt, too well and Millie stamps was immediately suspicious of Bonnie and her flashy new, quote, unquote husband, who was quite vague on where he got the money to pay for a new Ford V eight and a bunch of fancy ass close that must have been exciting though when they pulled in. Yeah. Because they got that cool asked you car, they're all fucking super handsome in. But the problem is that what you just kinda like no, it's sort of, like what you beat a bunch of people that are like definitely on math second. There are a lot of fun. So Millie stamps called the cops on her own niece. I don't know if that's appropriate now. But when the cops showed up at the house, Bonnie and CLYDE, got the drop on the law man who'd been sit sent to check out the report, but perhaps learning a lesson from string town. Clyde, didn't kill him. Okay. See by this point, CLYDE, had two murders attached to them, and there were many, many more to come, but Bonnie and CLYDE never looked for a fight nor were they the trigger happy, psychopathic murderers, like portrayed in that godawful Netflix movie the highway would it's fine as grizzled cop story. But really, it is a law man circle Turk with just about as many if not more inaccuracies than the nineteen sixty seven Bonnie and CLYDE movie. It's just from the other perspective, but Natural Born Killers. That was also based off of them. Kinda wasn't natural. I mean, they also brought in like the Charles stark whether in Carolina few get a few other couple murders. But yeah, I mean natural killers took a law from binding climate, the funny thing. Is that where do you help them plate, the CLYDE character in that movie? And yet played a cop in the high women that is the funniest thing. It is interesting because I do think that the nine hundred sixty seven Bonnie and CLYDE, the big Bonnie and CLYDE movie for me nails, a lot of more of the tone, their life. It really does. And the high woman really just plants them as straight up, murderous psychopath, and it's. Yeah. It's don't. It's a fine movie but it is not even closest directly accurate and we'll get into the ways that it's not historically accurate when it comes to Frank Hamer in episode three so impossible, Bonnie, and CLYDE took hostages and this is exactly what they did with Eddie county deputy Joe Johns bunny, and clydes own guns were in the trunk of their car when the cop pulled up. But luckily for them Milly stamps kept shotgun in the closet, of course. So deputy John's was held at gunpoint got forced into the barrows car, and they all headed back to Texas presumably, because they didn't know where else to go because Monty and CLYDE, always went back to tech. His eventually, there's something about it's either the loyalty to the state or just straight up. They just knew it so much harm driving from town to town to town. But think about that, man, you destroy four hundred seventy miles, and then I four hundred seventy miles back in a in a nineteen thirty two Ford V eight showing seventy five miles per hour because it's the only way CLYDE travel. It was either top speed or they were on a mule covered. The thing was though, a headless corpse was found ninety miles outside of El Paso, just a few hours after it was discovered that Jones was kidnapped. And it was assumed that CLYDE, it just blown the poor fuckers head off and dumped them out on the road. Turns out totally unrelated corpse the corpse. Always have one of those what's happening in America. At this time it was fucking awful Isaac. Crime was everywhere shit. I mean yeah crime was absolutely everywhere. And still this is not too far removed from the old west thinking about it this way. This is nineteen thirty to the old west was as far removed from them as say the release of never mind is from us. Yeah. Yeah. It's yeah. It's really, it's really not that long. It really wasn't that long ago for them and a lot of hangover from that. But the thing is about John's that he was still in the car with Bonnie CLYDE and Raymond, he was helpfully giving road. Directions us at tell you don't wanna go through Desa. You want to go this way. We go through Desa than your, there's going to be some cops just also the southern love of backseat driving. Lumberton does have a mumps outbreak right now. So be very careful. They actually have you. You're gonna hit the Mesa if you want to go this direction. But if you want to go south, and you're gonna hit you're going to go right through Midland. Kidnap just to be a MAC. Eventually, they let John's out in San Antonio. But by the time John's got to a phone, the barrow gang had already stolen the new v eight in Victoria, and we're well on their way to Houston. But still where to gotten out that they were headed that way. So a law man, set up a roadblock in Worton, who soon as CLYDE saw, though he pulled one of his trademark on a dying u-turns, and sped off in the other direction faster than the cops could catch in the next day. All three of them had their names blasting out from the front page. And for the first time, Bonnie Parker had her name in print, even though it was attached to two murders. Robbery and kidnapping, but still she found that she fucking loved it. She thought it was hot cheap thought this that was part of this is that the same thing with CLYDE barrow. That's why we talked about before why she wasn't upset when she found out that he was connected to a murder as it. She loved every bit of it, and he was she was on board. Yeah. So we have silver stallion plane during the road trips at now, I think we're listening to David Bowie's fame. They're just there. I think they're just they're really like they're not even they're not even there yet. They're not even close to being there yet. They're just names in the newspaper after that the barrow gang up the ante after driving back to the Dallas area, CLYDE, broken into the state guard armory in Fort Worth. You broke into a fucking armory. It's the most dangerous thing to break into no. No. Not at all. Listen, okay. I mean for the first time these guys got their hands on a few Browning automatic rifles, which would become a barrow gang trademark, these armories ERC curious thing back then most towns of reasonable size and Texas had armories filled with high caliber rifles. They were only for use by citizen, militias just in case like Mexico decided to take back, Texas or something. So Texas did the version of the Israel, the Israel Keyes hit kit. But just for themselves. This shed looking automatic right? Yes. Huge. Sheds full of extremely power for automatic rifles. Okay. The police had no access whatsoever to these guns and could only get a hold of them after going through miles of red tape, but Bonnie and CLYDE could get a whole arsenal with little more effort than what they put into a drugstore burglary. Wow. Now to give you an idea the difference in firepower when it came to what Bonnie and CLYDE had versus what the cops were carrying take a listen to a couple of shots fired by thirty eight special handgun which is what most of the cops had. Hotshot. Now, listen to a Brown automatic rifle, otherwise known as a B A R, which is what the barrow gang hat. I would prefer to have. It was at this point. The way. Instinctually just. I know for fact was coming from your computer, but I all of us just. No. This point that things got a little too hot for Raymond Hamilton. And he considered himself a gentleman Bank robber. And he knew that when buying got a hold of the be a ours. There was only bloodshed in their future. Oh, yeah. Because now they can they can fucking bus more fucking guts. This thing is a. 'cause nobody else fuck. It had them. At just shot at right up the fucking, the stakes go up, Hugh. Pull out a fucking be a are. Absolutely hence the domestic arms race. That is our civilian and cops arsenal of guns, you know, really I was thinking about this is kind of the beginning of that, because all the cops didn't have Jack shit, but the criminals like the cops had slow cars and tiny guns. Yeah, the, the criminals had the fastest cars on the road, and the guns that the army ended up using in World War Two, we'll helmet, even that Bank robbery in, in LA, dudes head to told like human furnaces. Yeah, the cops go to the store and buy the go. Shit. They got much stronger than that was what early nineties. Yeah. Yeah. There's a middle ground. Yeah. No, my small town of Stevens point. Wisconsin, does it need a fucking tank tank? Tank. A little brother just told me they bought a tank, another tank, nothing has happened to statements point, there was would murdering a paper mill guy ratted out his partners for stealing electrical wire. But after Hamilton, left Bonnie and CLYDE actually began a bit of a golden age because without a gang. They couldn't really pull off any big jobs. They still robbed small horns in small they still rob small stores and gas stations and they still had to haul ass across state lines to escape the cops, but this time in their lives was more of a cross country vacation funded by petty crime. This is one of the very few good points in this story. Would they are really living this outlawed dream where they see it? They are living hand to mouth stealing when they needed to relax when they can partying and had sex living on the road. It's fucking kind of it's kind of fun sound. It's a little romantic. They're living hand to mouth, of course. But to mouth are on. Title. They're doing some fun stuff, and then we're really in love here. Yeah. They made it as far away as the Great Lakes in Chicago. But it was in Illinois that CLYDE fucked up and left a pill bottle with his name on it in a car that had been stolen from Oklahoma. Can't do that. Cross state lines with this, CLYDE could officially be charged with the federal crime of car theft. That's the pricing Li Bank robbery and murder were state crimes. Meaning Bonnie, and CLYDE, could hop across the state border during a chase and the cop chasing him. It'd be left on the side of the road stomping up and down on his hat. This was such a crazy time where you can literally just like jump across the border, but they can't get me. Safety, but now, Bonnie and CLYDE were on the radar of the Justice department, particularly the division of an investigation that was at that time headed by none other than J Edgar Hoover. We did a real thing about cops, it's hard because J Edgar Hoover. I wish that he had moreover crime, so we could actually cover him. But the Embiid that he had I thought it was really interesting a little bit with Jeff Guinn kind of hints at about, like how the idea of federal cops hadn't happened yet. And so, j Edgar Hoover, like thought this up in his head like we're going to make this happen, and bunny, and client actually became one of the bigger cases than allowed for the creation, ESPN interesting. Okay. But Bonnie and CLYDE at this time we're still small fries when compared to pretty boy Floyd. John donder and the Barker gang. So the switch over didn't really matter yet. But it did signify, the crossing of another criminal line for CLYDE barrow. But during this time Bonnie and CLYDE, and never stayed more than a night or two in the same location, usually state motels, or motor courts for about a dollar a day when they couldn't find a Motor Corp, Bonnie and CLYDE, sometimes knocked on a farm store and asked if they could just stay the night, usually slip in the host couple of bucks for their troubles. And it was also at this time, where CLYDE discovered how funny it is to pull off an upper decker. He was really he was kind of escalating and nobody asked questions, you know, parlay, because, you know, stay in at a stranger's house was just kind of like American custom during the great depression. Absolutely. I mean, Airbnb do you really question. The people who stayed your Airbnb probably not now. So, well, you could read reviews of people, you should you should just let people random saying your house, but at this high moon, more innocent. But now in Europe, it's a little bit similar in Italian, you can go from town to town, and they give you Zucca and they give you gets. You just have to find the right known 'area to go to there you go. It was also partly because people just were looking to take whatever they could get. I mean again cannot stress enough. How important the great depression was to this story. I mean, people like you know, someone shows up and says, I'll give you five dollars to let us stay the night, five dollars is huge. And then, of course, you can be like getting I watch is it, okay? Nail man that I wanted to hear your Robin or just what you can, you can watch cmih Dumas short man match. But then other people, let Bonnie and Clyde's stay just because they like sticking it to the man. Right. You know, there was these a couple of these outlaws out there. 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We made the Mexican bowl with all the charred, Gordon bits in it easy to make an it's awesome. And super super tasty Natalie night. We'd love it. It's really nice. And it helps when you have a busy day. So you can actually have some fresh food and home. We drink wine. While we cook, we learn new recipes and most importantly, thanks to hellofresh. Nobody gets stuck with a sink full of dish. She's for eighty dollars off your first month of hellofresh. Go to hellofresh dot com slash last pot eighty and enter last pod, eight zero that's like receiving eight meals free. That's eighty dollars off your first month of hellofresh. Go to hellofresh dot com slash last pot eighty and enter last pod. Eight. Well, there wasn't anywhere to stay Bonnie, and CLYDE just pulled over in some thick brush and slept in their car overnight. Oh, romantic. But no matter what they always dressed in clean clothes during this time. Then sometimes even drop their wardrobe off at a dry cleaners and wait in the countryside for a few days until their clothes were ready. I totally get this. I totally get why they did this, it is about branding, and he understood that about themselves and what it is that they wanted from life, were they just like Adam and eve, just naked with fig leaves to cover for when it didn't have any clothes shitty clothes, and then they had our good going out clothes. Okay. And of course, they'd come back to west Dallas as often as they could on Halloween in nineteen thirty two CLYDE, as had become the custom through a coke bottle out the window of his car into his parents front yard inside. The bottle was a note telling his mother where and win they should all meet for a joint barrow Parker family. Get together. Okay. They did this dozens of times over their two year crime spree and only once did they ever come close to getting caught even when there were thousands of cops looking specifically for them. They would still come back to west Dallas to visit their family. They just loved the connection. And also, they would come in time would go on fat times. They would come and bring them cash and money, lean times, there was really only one specifically in time, the two families would give shit to Bonnie and CLYDE, but this was not one of the times, they almost got caught. However, CLYDE, did find out that the cops had pinned a murder in Sherman, Texas on him in Bonnie, as well as a hold up at a piggly-wiggly and Abilene, Texas. No, he said, no piggly-wiggly. I at the last episode net is your that's your contingent for our game. This is the beginning of the end of my. For my like of Bonnie, and CLYDE, they're gone. No, they didn't rob the Piggly wiggly. Yeah. Okay. They're back in my good graces. Don't wanna just feel for piggly-wiggly murders fine. But fucking Raba piggly-wiggly and all of a sudden you're the devil. Okay. Well, I didn't realize that free speech jail was open. Welcome to the cell next to me. You me. Saran sir hand in. It's wonderful. And there's no really having. Bonnie, CLYDE hadn't been anywhere near Sherman or Abilene, but those, but this was just the beginning of the law and journalists pinning whatever crime, they couldn't solve on Bonnie and CLYDE, and despite Bonnie and CLYDE week protests to the contrary. They loved this yet most every time they abandoned a car. Cops would find the floorboards littered with newspaper clippings, that mentioned Bonnie and clydes names about if you wanna be an actor, and you finally in newspapers, this huge Rabbani. Because in the end it's like you know, it's like there's no such thing as bad publicity, at the time, may not like, you know, maybe some point maybe we won't die. Maybe we can live in infamy like as a legend here, and then go to Mexico or go to Canada and lived there. And just again to clarify, if you want to see your name in print find in alien wanna get on this show, you find us an alien, and we will cover it. You also can very easily write a self published book for Amazon. Sure. The thing was the Texas press needed this newspapers were starting to figure out during the great depression, was just how much they've been leaning on advertising dollars for all the years previous kind of like why they almost put it president of position because of how many ad dollars at leant towards that. We're in the middle of right now. So when businesses started closing left and right at revenue dropped and newspapers had to make up the difference in circulation. Incense. Buddy at just about had enough stories about Boll weevils in dust, bowls and depression. Release stories about dirt that's stuff in the boat. We will. It's more of a beetle apparently, it's more of a beetle than a locus. Yes, the beetle it makes. But it makes it noise like a locust the. The. It's just it's all just it's books. Sorry, I don't know a lot about buzz. People's are like little little what is this just sounds like they're wearing overalls. Yeah. Do it to bug. The fuck shit up. That's all I know who got Arcus mad. Well, since everybody was tired of hearing about all that shit Bonnie and CLYDE became the number one story in Texas. Awesome and newspapers found that the more colorful, they made Bonnie and CLYDE, the more papers, they'd sell so crimes were balanced narrative license was taken more than a few times when it came to how the murders went down and legend was bored predictably all this press was probably somewhat responsible for the formation of clydes new gang. See now, CLYDE had a reputation to consider now and it wouldn't do to just keep knocking off stores and gas stations. It's weird how that really did factor in we're CLYDE barrow realize that he's like, well, Gordon the papers, I'm now a legendary criminal. So almost get a gang together. And I gotta live up to these expectations because if not like he's just some kind of in the win. So we are is far in the way love that song, voice almost. Isn't that weird have agreed talking voice horrible singing voice? So you've got to work on your diaphragm. Thank you. I've been working on it. You know, I'm not emotionally well right now. But thank you. I'm doing great. So, CLYDE, recruited Hollis HALE, and Frank hardy into the third iteration of the barrow, gang and said about on the business of robbing banks. But it turned out Bonnie and CLYDE, couldn't live up to the hype. Oh, their first job was a Bank in Missouri. But when they pulled out their guns and told the tellers to give them everything they had funding cloud were informed by the teller that there was nothing to steal because the Bank had failed a few days. Previous it'd be kind of awesome. See was like me all the up and he just looked around no money and he's been Ghana. Moving on the gang. Then tried the farmers and miners Bank in orono. Go Missouri or no go, I guess it's Orynova might be or Nago. I dunno won't let us know. I go. That's. Like over resort in the beautiful of middle of beautiful, Missouri. This time the failure rested, solely with the gang since the first Bank, had failed, CLYDE sent Bonnie ahead to do a little reconnaissance on the farmers and miners Bank. This bit is very interesting. I didn't know any of this. Yeah. Back then it was socially unacceptable for a woman to even enter a Bank without a man, even if she had business. So woman, just wander around a Bank aimlessly attracted even more. Attention high balls. Colton towel fuel Penn attention to me non this pen on chain. Only in cloud, hadn't had a Bank account in their life, probably had never stepped foot in a Bank, if they weren't robbing it. So while Bonnie Lottie Dod around the lobby, tellers, hook notice help, but notice how thin about is. Style of the time. It was this a pen on chain. I can't believe you threes. So, by the time the gang showed up the teller was ready with a pistol, and even though the gang had a our rifles. Those rifles were no match for the tellers lead lined bulletproof counter, which is also just like the half life of the lead shooting. Always it all over everything. Furthermore, as soon as the gang walked in the teller, pull the alarm, and pretty soon everyone or Orinoco, who owned a gun was out on the streets, opening five. It's gotta be a blast. This is we get to shoot deadwood. Yeah. It's crazy gang only cut out with about one hundred bucks, which that wasn't even enough for the townsfolk to chase after. Wow. Now, the two new members of the gang HALE, and hearty were disappointed to say the least absolutely till they went on to make that soup chain. Controversial soup, by the way, not very good. They thought that they hitched their wagons to criminal masterminds, we're going to be pulling off Barker gang sized Heiss of hundreds of thousands of dollars. But what none of these idiots new was that those huge hice required entire criminal networks of colluding Bank officers paid off police and weeks. If not months of advanced planning didn't just show up and say, gimme the money. But it's interesting is that they had the same idea of criminals from what they've read in the newspaper. Yeah. So that is far as they knew Devi and actually have the connections. They didn't grow up. Gangland. They didn't understand that you literally had to put money in the pocket of the police in order to it was an investment part of your business expenditures, where you had to give some of the police had to give them their their big. You gotta pay the guy for the safe house. You've got to pay the criminal doctor. This is it takes money. Reminds me of another short man who said, give me the money show me that money to me now. Oh, give me the money. Now, give me then money that move that movie called give me the money. Now. And here HALE, and hearty were with the infamous, Bonnie, and CLYDE, who are getting just as many headlines as the big boys, we're getting just as much heat, but they'd only been able to get about one hundred bucks between them after two high risk high heat robberies, they're getting none of the reward all the risk. No reward. Exactly go as the just born gang. We're all hiding out in the countryside, after or Nogo, hardy inhale told Bonnie and CLYDE, and we're just going to go into town and get some more bullets. We'll be right back. We're of bullets. I was thinking about making nice cream of barley, incredible you some of the grains, and they're big chunks of visible meat. And then we can put in airports all over the world, nothing better than having a tummy full of bad soup before you fly feel it gigolo around their bellies the kitchen. I don't like having soup before going on a plane. I like making soup with beer and a Hamburg. Money. Clyde never saw HALE, and hearty ever again, just took off and they lift bonding CLYDE with twenty five dollars. One thing you might be asking yourself is why the barrow gang always strayed so far away from Texas. When they went out to rob banks and well, I don't know for sure if this. Right. Here is the reason it was probably at least on their minds. See back in the early nineteen hundreds Bank robbery was mostly a job that was reserved for hobos and Yanks, which I found out a yeah. Was also slang for a safecracker as well as slang for a Hobo sex boy, as it was defined in our Karl pans ramp series. The Hobo is cracking the safe. The. The reason why this was a Hobo job was because the escape was made all the more simpler when you had a knowledge, train because while horses could be run down jumping on a train got you far away from the Bank fast. Then you were stuck on track. You know where trains go jump off whenever you want. But if you don't know that the Hobo hopped on the train, then you don't know where to send the word. Yeah. Hobos are, though, and same time, you get aroused about you get a couple of loose lip. You could find out where these Hobo burqas are. Oh, yeah. Absolutely. But his car's got to me, more common and faster. And it's paved roads and road signs became more prevalent Bank robbery hit an all time high and the wide open spaces of Texas during the twenties between nineteen twenty and nineteen twenty seven there were one hundred forty successful Bank hold-up, some burglaries in Texas and out of those one hundred and forty only thirty ended with the capture of the perpetrators I knew we should. Named our Bank, come and get it back. It's fun because it's get it with the. So the Texas Bankers Association started putting out bounties. It started with a five hundred dollar reward specifically for dead Bank, robbers killed in the process of robbing banks. Because the Bankers Association refused to pay for a living Bank robber, even if that Bank robber was convicted I wish that we could also form. Our own police force the banks just made their own police. Can we just have podcast police we can do that? We know rest people give us one star reviews and I find them in wake them up from their homes with them big caravans, which what you weird like penguins on the side of it circus, people doing weird like flips next to it all, while I'm singing the song with my big umbrella thought that out, absolutely. Then in nineteen twenty seven the Tiba increased the bounty to five thousand dollars or a corpse. Her dead Bank robber. Remember it was specifically dead Bank robber. I mean it's kind of crazy to other sentence. You might see a corpse what I see is money, money. Well, that naturally led to crooked cops working with criminals who would trick dome criminals into robbing banks. So the cops could shoot them dead on the scene, and the cops would split the money with the criminals who set the whole thing it's business. It's business. Yeah. Business. And there were plenty of lawmen that were against this eighty Arctic bounty policy, especially Frank Hamer, who will talk about in the next episode and we actually got all this information from the life and times of Frank Hamer, which Carolina red is apparently an awesome, fucking book very cool. But despite lawmen being totally against this policy guess, when it was rescinded a two thousand twenty five. Fairly certain this still happens. Right. Well, I mean, even though they later modified it to say dead or alive. It stayed in effect until nineteen sixty four wow. So I don't know for sure if this was why Bonnie and CLYDE, stay away from Texas. It might be a reason why they dry, then I mean, it seemed to have a natural understanding that if we drive as far away as possible from our home base, the less likely it is that they could pin us on the crimes, and also Texas, maybe then I start thick put mold detective capital. Oh, Texas, a big state, you actually move to smaller states. So it's easier to cross state lines. No. That's actually probably a much better. Yeah. That's a very good. I good. Good criminal mastermind. Look at me man masterminded pay my taxes for four years. So also, they were getting more nationwide notoriety. Now, I would suppose. Yeah, but clydes, former partner Raymond Hamilton, still wrist, Texas Bank robberies, although it wasn't a Bank robbery that eventually brought him down. Hamilton have been Robin banks in Texas with two dudes named less Stewart, and gene, dare I like more Stewart better, but less Stewart's five areas if they dare. They would dare. If a retired. Fanta. Dear. Just professionals professional, podcasters, will unlike Bonnie and CLYDE less Stewart, Gino Darren, Raymond Hamilton. We're actually good at Bank rotten, but Raymond had a big mouth. And while Raymond was back home in bay city Michigan at an ice skating rink one night. He started bragging, new girl that he was one of the most notorious criminals in all Texas. Yeah. Hey, I don't want to brag but wanted for rape. Yeah, it doesn't seem like it's really going to make a woman fall in love with him, like a felon. I don't know. Yeah. The girl instead of being super impressed. She went straight to the cops, and that app and Raymond was chased down there at the ice skating rink while he was still wearing his ice skate away on his. Embarrassing on your heart. Funny. Eventually he was extradited and sent to Texas to answer for the murder of Jon butcher. Well, remember CLYDE, and Raymond didn't like each other at all. But CLYDE, also knew that Raymond Hamilton hadn't been anywhere near that murder, Raymond Hamilton, only looked like the guy who actually pulled the trigger so, CLYDE, even though he hated him, felt obliged to save Raymond Hamilton part of his whole weird honor system, wide barrow had this idea of being, quote unquote, honest criminal, which is being like what I do declare, I don't believe he should be serving time for murder because he had nothing to do with it. And it's Vars CLYDE, barrows concern on a bus amount because part of him that does believe in being the folk hero now that people are painting him to be so on some level this, this image of him. He will try to grow and fill. Bonnie for me Heureka was now as you'll you'll see as it goes to her addition to the crime gang was. Actually really important. But before that break could even be attempted the barrow gang again needed members and capital. Yes. So when Bonnie and CLYDE returned to west Dallas for a visit, they were happy to hear that a barrow family friend, WD Jones wanted to join the gang a WD was the son of took Jones who was Kumi barrows best friend, who's naming these people? What is happening? What is happening Nate basically they go to a bakery. They picked the weirdest shaped cookies, and then they named them after those cookies. WD worshiped, CLYDE, and every time, CLYDE came home WD was waiting with a fresh pile of license plates ordered, for CLYDE to take out on the road for switch out jobs on stolen card to be the best part about having a bunch of foster kids, you come home to all these new license plates. All these like, you know, like toilet wine, right? Yeah. I think of a gross misunderstanding of what a good foster parents should do. Man. I'm not a parent, but WD was only sixteen years old. Oh, these are all children, damning Bonnie and CLYDE, they were only twenty two. Right. Also twenty two you could have a literally at an entire farm, five ten seven dollars back in those days, people grew up a little bit faster. But even so CLYDE was skeptical of the idea. When WD brought it up on Christmas Eve, nineteen thirty two but after thinking about our second, CLYDE figure WD might be an asset. So he brought them into the fold all that was needed. Now wasn't initiation to see if WD could handle it spanking machine banking machine. I gotta get all I care for my speaking machine do so on Christmas morning. Clyde took WD out to temple Texas and told him they were going to rob a grocery store together when the two of them walk through the door armed with handguns WD seized up to start shaking his head. No. Uh-huh. I don't want to do this. I don't want to do. This. So CLYDE called him a coward, and when they got out to Bonnie in the car and told her what happened money just laughed at him. I mean, honestly, just the most charming response. You've po. All do goot. At this point WD very quickly figured out that he was not cut out for a life of actual crime. It was a lot of fun to steal license plates when it came when it came to pointing a gun and some poor old lady's face who's working the counter to grocery store. WD is like now. I don't I do not have an EMMY to do this thing that was important for CLYDE barrow to show him unfortunately, being like this is the actual life you wanna do this shit. You got hop in while we're all in seventy miles per hour. You have to fuck it. Catch up right now. Yeah, exactly. And, but the thing is, though is that, like, CLYDE had other plans in mind. Those plans would change WD's life forever for the better. Is it four d went onto make the very popular exercise machine the bowflex? Interesting, CLYDE, said that WD wasn't going home without at least stealing something. So, CLYDE told him to steal a model a car that was parked in front of the barrow stolen Ford V eight. I most likely KAI did this just to be a dick? Yeah. Man. You got you gotta roast this dude. He's gotta handle. It was in rose mode model as a model TS were notoriously hard to steal because they didn't start with just a simple turn of a key with model as multiple tease you had to use this big noisy crank and the whole thing was a complicated multi step process. Yeah. You got you gotta get the jigger going fueled dais. Pump to the do the, the nipple shaft, you gotta hit it. Three times. You gotta say a prayer to do certain things. It's like that scene in east of Eden, but it's like a ten minute scene in that movie when they're showing them how to start a model T movie. It's just really good. Joe? And I'll tell you what mile a minute laugh a minute. Absolutely fascinating. Absolutely, of course, wants WD got to work on steel in the car with CLYDE standard right next to him calling him a fucking idiot. The whole time the owner of the car a man named Doyle Johnson song doing it and walked towards WD and Clive. What are you doing out? I get away from my car, of course. Johnson got caught in the stranglehold, and although nobody knows for sure who pulled the trigger. Oh, it was probably CLYDE. And a second later, dole Johnson had a bulletin his spine was dead before the day was done. Oh, and with that WD couldn't go home anymore, or at least now in, he's in, at least that's what CLYDE told them, of course, because, now you're connected to CLYDE, he just did a murder, and he needs gang members eighty people that are, are. You have to be family in. There's a part of you that has to be you have to have no choice but to join the gang because if you leave the stakes are too high. That's that's buys gang loyalty. Yes. I mean it's the old Jeffrey Epstein rule. Yes. Club. Yeah. Well other thing about it, though. Is that CLYDE, the reason why CLYDE, and Raymond Hamilton, always butted heads is because CLYDE, and Raymond Hamilton were equals, like they were writing on the same level WD would do whatever the fuck, CLYDE told him to do you must be scared shitless man, mostly. Well, you need an assistant man. Yeah. Client, always wanted to be in charge, and it was always in charge with this so much worse. It's almost like small people. Complex. The safety of New York biggest that nobody had recognized CLYDE and WD. No one knew who the fuck they were. In fact, it was seven months before anyone was charged with that murder, and they ended up charging someone else altogether. Some four motherfucker that was just had to some town guy. This is the saddest part of all of this shit is like all these innocent, people know, we're just arrested for no reason. The wake of hit that followed Bonnie and CLYDE is wide and deep, but that's an as it goes. Why? You helped your nipples inches. Looted me as you like you're running, or pile of beer video, it used to play on the live show, a guy in the septic tank Roberson. Time goes you see the again, the it's just gets bigger and bigger, the problems. Get bigger break go. Yeah. And there's really nothing for them to do at some point, they're leaning in. Yeah. But either way WD was now a full member of the gang whether you like it or not. Oh, and yet another character in the melodrama that was Bonnie and CLYDE life was about to be introduced see, CLYDE, hadn't forgotten about, Raymond Hamilton. And his best idea to bust him out of jail was to smuggle a radio full of hacksaw blades. And you know, it's, it's like they get this radio and it doesn't work. They're like, oh, we might want to check this radio. For hacksaw Rabi. No, no, no, no. It's a radio for dolls. I have Joe Surata. Erin, if you. Don't even say anything I want to hear my favorite song know what's on. What song is that? You're listening to their right? You can hear the trumpets. Listen at the same time, though a robber named Odell Chambliss was on the loose in Dallas and the person tasked with catcher. No del wish sheriff Smoot Schmid. Also was when the lead done Frankel rock. Yeah. Smooths real name was Richard. But for some reason he got the nickname of Smoot because he was six foot five oh, Ben smooth kiss Smoot flight, but Smoot I smoke you mood you look like a big jangling smooth. Spook guy. He makes shit so bad at literally Bruns us out of an entire apartment, you'd almost just it being bitching them out. You know what guys we're not bitching, we're worried. Hey, till it to my doctor. I, I, I have a doctor you do. Yes, my brother. My brother set me up with an appointment. For four months. I missed the first one. To this one he's gonna check your oil. Yeah. I know. Yeah, we'll smooth had been elected on a law and order campaign and law. And order was what he was going to have even though his previous job have been the owner of a crooked bicycle shop, which had no problem buying stolen, bikes funny, how that works. But Smoot had fixated on Odell Chambliss and Odell Chambliss was known to be a regular visitor to Raymond Hamilton. Sister, Lillian would been given the job of smuggling, the hacksaw radio into jail. Okay. You can always trust a literally to help you with crimes. I really do believe that a Lillian is a very s- clever shrewd woman, I met a Lillian at the Felice brothers concert, by the way, shut up to the fleas brothers. They're big time listeners. I actually went to buy a t-shirt after the concert, there were phenomenal. And I said, I listen to you guys on the road all the time, I'm Ben with last because the left and he freaked out and it was wonderful and was super sweet. We gave each other hug. The Felipe father. Oh a big fan with the tuba player it. He was an accordion player. Oh, I mean, they really are super super talented and my grandmother's name was Lillian as well lever, she used to she help, but yes, help two times, first of all. No. That is my Oma whose name. I actually it's banked Eric. Oh, it's baked. Her name is banked. My name is banked. Lillian. I know my grandmother, was very sweet. She used to dr- get the boys drunk off Jin until the day. She died. No. Unfortunately, for Smoot Schmidt, though, Bonnie and CLYDE, we're delivering that radio to Lillian on the day that Smoot had planned an ambush to capture Odell at Lillian house. And before the raid was over deputy, Malcolm Davis was dead from shotgun. Blast from clydes gun. Oh, it was Clyde's second murder in two weeks. And the only thing he gained from this one was an implacable new enemy in Smoot Schmidt, and Smoot had quite a few choice words to say about bunny as well. He called her a tough to gun girl, who is tough as the back end of shooting gallery moot. You're going crazy. Josh it back just shit. But not as the body love this shit. Yeah. Loved it. Absolutely loved it. Do you think to gun girl? Is it like code for gang bang? I it might be because that's what they said that was a the one thing about Bonnie that she got really upset about was her portrayal of the newspapers. At some point was because they called her a venereal disease ridden strummed it now. And part of it is this concept that the CI would have to be to run with all of these criminal gangs, and she would essentially sexually service and the entire gang. That was kind of the presupposed idea of her role. I don't know if Bonnie was doing all of that. No, she was a one man woman. Now, Bonnie wouldn't do all that. Her sister, according to Frank Hamer's book, or according to the book, about Frank Hamer her sister did kind of have that role. Yeah. Clyde, had to send her home, because all of the gang members were fighting over that makes a lot of sense. The problem is that, that, then you, you know, that doesn't make a lot of sense because it's technically it brings up morale up to a point. Morale gets to peak it to Iraq. Morale begins to affect the entire company until the book must have been written by Texan. Yeah. Because this Texas men gossip more than the chicks on the view. All like love their gossip God, the tech Texas, Texas Cowboys, you will never find a more fashion conscious grew gossips the entire country Roy's is built book was on all weird. I didn't even tell them. Well, unlike many who underestimated Bonnie, just because she was a woman, Schmid, rightly pegged her as a fully functioning member of the gang is see while Bonnie only fired a gun a few times, she was still right there, alongside CLYDE during the smaller robberies, and she was behind the wheel more than a few times when it came to a getaway. Really? But after the Malcolm Davis, martyr, Bonnie, CLYDE, and WD again living lifestyle they come to be known for over the years sticking up gas stations and grocery stores around Oklahoma, Texas, Arkansas, and Missouri. Okay. And really despite having at least three murders directly attached to them. Nobody was permanently on Bonnie and CLYDE trail at this point the way Gwen put it they use their screwdriver to switch out plates on stolen cars, a hell of a lot more than they used their guns, Bonnie, even started wearing high heels all the time because they ever really had to run anywhere anymore. Joe slug J Edgar Hoover. That. Nice. That's what because then they can really dress, the part because this point, they're really filling in the shootout at the safe house where they ended up do the final murder. I mean one of the murders that CLYDE, barrow actually did himself, where it's like they're really feeling. Yeah. He'd murdered four five people at this point, and I think all rat, like Ed, I think, as a result of the barrow gang, I think, at this point seven or eight, and CLYDE had murdered four or five of those himself. Okay. They even formed like a little family unit bonding CLYDE, call each other, Honey. And daddy. Daddy, daddy, hat funny. Scott aware her. Honey? That's. WD got the un-imaginative nickname of boy, so it's daddy, Honey, and boy, and, and buddy and WD called them SIS and bud. Okay. Yeah. Which is pre that's pretty common nickname in Texas. Sure. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Absolutely. That's how you know how to tell you know, who to have sex with now. Literally job, a coffee table. Oh, I Texans. I know actually are probably the least people that do a lot of sister fucking. It's more than another places. Right. Send me that's more of the deep south, although I did know at least two. Guys. Hey, man. Who got caught bang in their sister spent a long time with some types of sisters. What are you gonna do? Nuns are always fucking each other. Yeah, absolutely. I owed. At this time, but the only real trouble Vining class got into was when they kidnapped a policeman named per cell in Springfield, Missouri. But all he had to say about it was that Bonnie had a filthy fucking mouth, that's so funny, and that is what everyone said about Bonnie, is that. Oh, she that women could cuss up storm. That's awesome, though again. She's, she's booking. She's trying to at this point in time, she's bucking, all stereotypes about women and what they're so Blida society acceptable. Unfortunately, she's still attached to many murders. I know. I'm not safety. Turn Bonnie into like a feminist icon. It's still she still attached to a lot of. She was wearing an RGB shirt, enter robberies. Still encouraging CLYDE to keep murdering this time. So we can't get we can't fall too much in love with Bonnie Parker here. Well love is never bad in less ins, and murder. Yeah. Free speech. How do you like, hey? Bonnie clubs still came back to see their flat families plenty as well. That always swing through Texas at least once a month, if not more, CLYDE, would throw the coke bottle and cue me would call Emma, Parker and took Jones and give him the code code was. I'm fixing red beans. You're fixing red beans. Yeah. That's what it is ripping. When I say on fixing red beans. It means by hemorrhoids. And then the whole family would get together and some isolated park outside of Dallas and they'd all have a good time. It is sweet though, that the family unit is still there is very strong. Yeah. So they like they, they knew what was happening. Right. They had to know CLYDE, would always talk to about the murders like we'd come back because, like, Yep. Not a guy got killed, but CLYDE would also never take responsibility for any of he would always. Someone else out fault he. Oh, that's how we always lived is that he himself, and it was basically to save Comey's mind where it's like you wanted to make sure honestly I don't know. But he wanted to the it's interesting how they'd go through all of this ship, and they don't want to disappoint their parents. Now, I'm fixing red bean also sounds like like a really nice, vintage comedy record red FOX. Rose named after someone named thing that people do with this. Good period, only lasted about three months before it all went to shit permanently. Oh in March nineteen thirty three buck. Barrow Clyde's older brother got a full pardon from the new Texas governor Miriam, Ma Ferguson, who was actually serving her second term after spending a couple of years out of office, mafia. The second female governor in the United States. Don't kid, Wyoming had the first and actually the woman in Wyoming beat Ma Ferguson by only ten days, new kid, nine hundred twenty five five years after the after the after women got the vote. Well, Ma Ferguson. It's like a massive figure in Texas history. Correct. Very corrupt. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, but you know they were out Ferguson but yeah, Ma Ma Ferguson and her husband Pau, Ferguson. We're both extremely extremely corrupt. But we'll get in them more on episode. Three texas. Got female, Texas governors are. Due to great documentary on. It was an Richardson, right? No. Just Richards, Jan Richard. Oh my God. She was scary, and Richard was fantastic. She was the governor when I was a kid. Everyone looked up to Ann Richards. Everyone. Loved and Richards until Karl rove started the lesbian whisper campaign on Kerr career. She was one of those blue like I'll take your balls put him in a pickle jar. And democrat is well, yeah. Well, buck was starting to feel bad about leading his little, brother, into a life of crime. Oh, so many years ago with all the chicken and Turkey theft. Yeah. Because it was brought CLYDE along. You know, it was like, hey, maybe ought to start stealing cars. Yeah. So buck having already turned himself in and finished his time he figured it was his job to convince CLYDE to do the same, CLYDE. He wasn't gonna do that shit. Because if he turned himself in he was going to the chair. Oh, but CLYDE suggested that they all take a vacation together. Anyway, buck figured this was his only shot if maybe convincing his brother figured, maybe if I spent a couple of weeks with them I can wear him down, so book, agreed bucks. Wife blanche wanted, no part in this fake -ation, because Bonnie, CLYDE, and WD were family or not wanted murder. Is you will not just wanted murderers, they armored right? And this -cation seems to be it would be really upsetting and they go on vacation. But, you know where they'd find none of trouble trouble speaking, nothing. But trouble, I hope you all enjoyed our interview with Dan Aykroyd last week on side stories, always. It was a it was a pleasure and an honor to speak with that, man. But the thing was is that buck said he was going to go with or without blanche. So she along with their little dog snowball, oh, agreed to go. Oh, no. I the vacation was a great time. Beer had just become legal again. Oh, so the brothers bought a case every night, had low bid Ifan, while blanche cooked CLYDE, his favorite meal, English peas with plenty of cream cheese. All right. Cream peas. Yeah, it's already shit. When you. Nice makes it easy on the digestion and bonding. Clyde, even had a little photo shoot. It was during this fake -ation that Bonnie and CLYDE posed for the pictures that would make them truly famous. The first picture was Bonnie playfully pointing a gun clydes belly while CLYDE just laughed and lack. Agreed time having a great time though was Bonnie put her foot up on the car's bumper with two six shooters, strapped to her belt and a cigar hanging from her teeth, although bonding only had the cigar there for show because at the time he became it was very controversial. Because women were supposed to open the smoke. And so it was you're supposed to kind like keep it society. Gardner mouth. But then it would haunt her for the rest for day because she got mad because people thought that she smoked and she didn't want people to think she's cigarettes, but not cigar. Oh, all right cigars make you sick. I don't like cigars. I like them really had nicotine. Of course. I like him. Yeah. But you're supposed to inhale it. Yeah. Doesn't matter okay. But in the destination, that the barrows chose Joplin Missouri, they had made a fatal error. Now, wasn't the law was specifically looking for the barrow, gang in Joplin, Missouri, because they weren't instead, the law and Joplin was just on high alert at all times, because even though beer was legal again, liquor was still very much illegal under the false stead act, which enforce the prohibition of recreational alcohol use as a result cops were on the lookout for bootleggers in Joplin. Missouri was a hotbed of specifically that sort of illegal activity with that Matt was suspicious behavior. Got more attention there than it might have in other places in the barrow gang was inherit. Lee suspicious. Now, wasn't the robberies that Buchan CLYDE committed together in the Joplin area to fund. This vacation that got the attention of cops. As butts vow to go on the straight narrow only lasted about three weeks out of prison. Nor was it the armory the bare boys robbed which resulted in several new be a are rifles for the gangs arsenal. What got the barrow gang or the small things the first incident came when a B A R went off while CLYDE was cleaning it in the garage of the apartment, they were renting that is got to be frightened you. Yeah. Well, you should always unload, the gun, make sure the gun is unloaded before you clean it. That's rule number one man don't be a nerd. But this spray of gunfire alerted, the neighbors, the neighbors called the cops when the cops came to look see they noticed that. The car parked in the garage had been backed in which was a common tactic for criminals who might have need of a fast getaway. I guess what you don't need to do it. And you're just in a parking garage. There's one thing that makes me almost die of a brain aneurysm when people are trying to park in the middle of the public parking space, and they back into space. You're not robbing a Bank. You got to do it and you read your up the flow. The flow aggression, this is kind of an old old person grievance. Wow. So police plant a rate thinking they were about to take down a few run of the mill bootleggers. They had no idea. They were about to face the barrow gang newly armed with high powered rifles tragedy. Here is the buck and blanche were about to go back to west Dallas. That day blanche needed to get back to her job at the beauty salon. And buck is Gwen put it was always more of a rascal than rebelled. It's true uses kind of a good time guy. And he did little petty crimes for awhile, but sort of the true this thing about him was when he turned himself back in now. Right. We're like that really was him. He wanted to go straight narrow. And this is this is part of why think is more of the karmic inertia of their gang catching up to them where they were just pulling out, and they were just about to stop their vacation and go back on the. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. After dip in his toe just a little bit and his brothers world. He was ready to get out. I use like I can't do this. I want a normal life, but it wasn't meant to be on the day that everyone was packing up ready to go their separate ways Joplin. Police approached the house, the five man squad tasked with the raid were armed only with low, caliber handguns, and they arrived just as CLYDE in WD were lowering the garage door and the cops used two cars to block a to Ford's parked inside the first cop to rush. The gang was county constable Wes Harriman, he was just another dude. Trying to make ends meet by serving warrants. But as he tried ducking under the closing garage door, CLYDE picked up a shotgun and fired severing, an artery in Harry neck, officer, Harry mcginnis opened fire next clip in WD in the side, while Harriman bled to death on the ground. Clyde responded with another shotgun blast which almost severed McGee. Guinness's right arm from his body. You use fast ship now. Isn't that how they made robo literally what happened with reeche shot off his lip? Yes. Yeah. Offers to graph was the next to try as luck. Honestly. How, how mazing would be if this turned into steam punk RoboCop? Oh, yeah. Graf fired every bullet his gun had at barrow in WD. Then the graph picked up McGuinness's revolver and fired some more time for the gang to run. But they're V8. was still blocked by one car and mcguiness's body. So under fire, CLYDE, pushed the car that was in the way. And buck dragged mcguiness's body to the other side, while the heavily bleeding WD covered them with suppressing fire, but it wasn't enough. Clyde was shot in the chest before he could get the car completely clear. But through an extraordinary piece of luck the bullet hit a metal button on clydes shirt, and the button absorbed, most of the impact later like Bonnie dug the bullet out with a hairpin hurt. We don't so CLYDE, barrows going to be known from there on out to of having what he's called sort of a sick sense about that about the cops loss that he can guide. Understeer kind of felt in the back. Of his head when they were about to do it, and there's going to be many times where they're gonna near run ins with the police, where the Spanish to squeak out. It's like you got bit by criminal and became Spiderman radioactive criminal. Finally, though, the whole gang loaded up into the sedan and just rammed the car blocking them out of the way and sped off without further resistance, although they did have to leave snowball behind. All ran off when the gunfire started gun in Newark knows Nobel was a little scared. But by the time the barrows left Joplin to cops were dead by their hands, and as a result buck, and blanche were now on the run along with Bonnie CLYDE and WD just cut to snowball showing up in one of the body's just looking. You're the most like that snowball. All right. All that's not to say the barrow gang came away unscathed, although clydes wounds were superficial. And buck had gotten bruised by some straight buckshot WD, got straight up shot since it was too risky to go to a doctor. Clyde used a tree branch wrapped in fabric to see bullet had gone. Now, you scream if this hurts. After poking, the ad hoc medical device in one side of WD and out the other without any resistance. Clydes surmised. The bullet had gone all the way through good news and bad news. No than there. But now you're also Titus. Whole tree. Let sell the only further medical treatment WD got big old bottle of aspirin. That's great. Okay. Aspirin was different back in the day, though. It's kind of like fucking Oxy. Sure, and they had left behind one hell of a pile of evidence at the apartment and job, this is how we'd know them because of this, this bust. This is how we fucking know every single thing about on inkling besides the four rifles the shotgun, the Tommy gun and the pistol, blanche and buck had left behind their marriage license and bucks, brand new pardon, not good. No really bad, actually. No. Although that was, what put blanche and buck and the jackpot, there was one more thing discovered at the house that would ensure Bonnie and CLYDE would reach new heights of celebrity, a roll of film, because they loved cameras, and they love taking pictures and the documented their entire trip. And also, they had their guitars, they'd trunks bullshit, that they were traveling with. Yeah. Before this bunny, and CLYDE, were mostly just names in print because the only picture anyone had of either of them was clydes mugshot. But now the press had full rein to us pictures that would eventually become iconic. See the reason why the pictures were so good was because they were objectively sexy from looking at Bonnie and CLYDE together. It was obvious that they were not only in love was also obvious. They were fucking fucking. They were like gr- holding each other fucking full throat laughing like when you see two people at a restaurant where, you know, a good date, he's going to go, though. They were love initiate, and they be looked good. If it in their suits that look fucking tight, and it became the lasting image of what you believe, to be the most alternate romantic criminals of all time. And if I may put it crudely and bluntly when nineteen thirties, men, saw the picture of Vanni in such an unladylike pose with a cigar in her mouth, didn't hurt nuts, garlic, like big. Oh. Sometimes it looks like a big log shit. That's what happened with the dude in the wheelchair in the original Texas chainsaw massacre, Franklin cigar, I, I didn't know what it was. That's what it was either. He was always chewing on a sausage. No. I think it's a cigar. Why are their cigars people don't smoke with the stogie that you just suck on old wet tune on a cigar? Yeah. You get the nicotine nicotine gum, but it's a big fat wet. PC. That's a great way to market. Furthermore, the crime magazines that are our forebears, and they were just starting to become popular at this time he had magazines like true detective you had true crime, which true crime magazine essentially named the John rea- of true crime. They now had the perfect images to go along with all this, awesome copy the Bonnie and CLYDE were providing in short the pictures made celebrities out of Bonnie and CLYDE, on par with the biggest movie stars of the day, they've been known before, but now Bonnie, and CLYDE were Nadi sex fantasy come to life, and it was, but I don't know what the car sex was probably pretty stinky. But a lot of times, it probably was a lot of fun. But WD WD had alike look away, they would still flock will they because after the movie came out, you know, it was said that CLYDE was impotent and WD actually look years later didn't interview for playboy magazine, and they asked him like do. Was CLYDE impotent WD was just like no. They they, they, they had sex. We saw every inch of all four foot four foot of. And suddenly, Bonnie Parker's face was being shown in movie theaters. But not as the matinee idol she'd always wanted to be rather. Bonnie was now in the newsreels before the main picture. But Bonnie didn't care she was in the theaters, and in the magazines and in the newspapers and everyone thought that Bonnie and CLYDE, were rich and happy fucking when they pleased and killing who they liked. So now we can queue David Bowie's fame. Yeah. This is it. But in reality, it was just gonna be misery from then on for the barrow gang. And that misery would stretch until the end of their very short lives, and that's where we'll pick back up for the conclusion of buddying class. I love this fucking store. It's crazy. Man so easy. You don't want it is, if that I was the last time reading the book it begins to feel like a fever dream there, because a part of its varying Zaidi, reducing in Xining Dusing, where you sort of feel like what it would be like to be with them on the road and how hard it is. And how paranoid, who would get. But if you take this two and a half hour episode of this fucking of this show, right? Non stop activity now for bonding and Clinton. They did not stop after that, first chase when they were in the mud and the meals, they literally, the closest thing they had was that two month vacation. But you're literally still running all the time because. It's still really haven't places all the time are it is just this rolling sea of chaos, we'll be careful what you wish for, because you just might get it, this is I guess, this is strange master plan of theirs. I guess. Yeah. And here and a fever dream things. Definitely works. I mean, because it at the same time it feels like it lasts forever. And it feels like it lasted a day. All at the same time. Time is completely out the window when it comes to talking about these guys because that's what you said, Henry when you were first fucking reading this, all this feels like it happened in a day, feels like they just and they never went to sleep now that it just kept rolling. But then that, that's why they kind of the short burst of energy. I think psychically it burns its way onto society. There's something, there's something about the, the fact that it was so short lived, and so fast and furious is, what allowed it to live. And till now, now we're talking about them as if they are they were fucking still along. So Lutely just. Like motley Crue. I remember. The story behind the music, I like the Huey Lewis and the news one where they just basically said, yeah, we did drugs when we quit now we all live in the same community together and barbecue every week. All right. Well, there it is body glide bar partout, that was awesome. This story is so fucking trippy so that the movies missed the Mark on everything. Because this like there's so much cool stuff, the real Bonnie and CLYDE movie. Yeah. Absolutely. I think there was a really shitty like Amazon prime show for just a little bit it lasted too long, and it looked real bad. A lot of things is on doesn't last you long. Yeah, I don't know. I had a really good time with my new coffee maker. It's been the lesson for about it, yet you could have shopped at a different place, other than Amazon for that coffeemaker. I'm sure that there's websites that you could have gone to the coffee maker store. Oh, right. Everyone. Thank you all so much for listening. So we are in Australia right now right now. And yes, so we can't wait to see everyone. I believe Sunday, we are in Perth Sunday at think at Sunday. Yeah. Yes. Go to Sunday, go look at our website last some dot com to see all of our Australia dates. We're only there like this week and we're not coming back. What you're. No, no. I'm just saying to get get to get honestly, I don't know. Maybe we'll come back on. But he's gonna be a long time before we fucking come back. So if you want to see you want to check us out come to sit here come to buy these tickets, real excited fucking, see you guys on. And I am I'm nervous. But the flight about to go on it, but I'm really very excited the what really has to. So we're not in Australia. You just outed me for light. Well, they know we mentioned we were in beautiful sunny, Los Angeles at the top of the show, we can't always line. We actually don't have the ability to of. Yes. Absolutely. The flight is going to be interesting. I hopefully I'm alive by the end of it. I think I will be though, I think I'll do it. You just need to get up and walk around everyone on the flight to make sure those clots don't fucking settle in. Ask a woman to massage your leg. That's. Alright. Everyone hail yourself Satan, and we also get a couple of fun dates to announce his. Well, yeah, we got more dates in August to announce on August sixteenth, we're going to Atlantic City. I am looking forward to. We'll, we live was just there with puffins my lucky charm, blackjack, and roulette came home with fourteen hundred bucks buddy. I think that you literally got tasted the poison that it's supposed to bring you back and kill you the first taste you're like ooh exotic, but it's this and that's the lie. That's a lie fishing you in. Seventeenth. We're going to Bethlehem Pennsylvania, and on August. Eighteenth. We're going to port Chester New York. Oh, right. Absolutely. Okay. Everyone. We'll talk to you soon. Hail yourself gain Mogo salacious loans. This show is made possible by listeners like you, thanks to our ad sponsors. You can support our shows by supporting them for more shows like the one, you just listen to go to last podcast network dot com.

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A Look at Bonnie and Clyde's Escape Route

Aerial America

01:16 min | 1 year ago

A Look at Bonnie and Clyde's Escape Route

"The Western ozarks comb to wild hogs clashing armies and some of the most notorious desperadoes on the American frontier in the nineteen thirties. The back roads of the ozarks were prime. Escape routes the outlaws Bonnie Parker and Clyde Barrow before there was an FBI criminals could commit crimes and then race across the state border without fear of being chased by police tearing along the back roads and cars similar to this the Barrow Gang as they were known moved in a circle skirting the edges of five states all fleeing into the ozarks. The Bank hold-ups kidnappings that made them famous. The gangs most serious crime. Murder took place just north of the town of Alma highway. Seventy one here. The gang mortally wounded estate Marshall in a shootout less than a year later. Bonnie and Clyde would die in a shootout as well yeah.

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Conversation: What LSU RB Clyde Edwards-Helaire can do for the Kansas City Chiefs

Arrowhead Pride

10:15 min | 9 months ago

Conversation: What LSU RB Clyde Edwards-Helaire can do for the Kansas City Chiefs

"Pete Sweeney of Arrowhead Pride Dot com joined now by Zachary Giunta the lead editor at in the valley shook dot com covering the lsu tigers for SP nation a really big night for Lsu. Five players drafted last night. What were your reactions to all of these players going in the first round yet. It's just the are the culmination of Uber successful season. Five trump takes that the the school record now Parrella shoe. They broke their previous mark of four. Which was said in two thousand seven the the Jamarcus Russell draft? We were hoping bats. They could get six tigers picked in the first round. They didn't quite hit that number as for Chiefs WITH KLAY. Talk about the rich getting richer. I mean this is arguably the perfect pick for the chiefs This is potentially like Alvin. Kamara tight but Darren sproles type running back. Just you can get you a thousand yards out of the Running the ball and seven to eight hundred yards out of the backfield. I mean Kamerhe Edwards. A layer got work at the combine is both receiver Enron by. That's how get his hands are. They asked him to to to switch and give the receiving Joseph try. This chiefs. Offense is probably the most unstoppable force football and it just got even better which is scary. That's what jumped out right away. At least to me regarding Clyde Edwards L. Air and that was his versatility and how he can seamlessly switch from a running back through receiver. That's so important Andy. Reed's offense you mentioned how successful the Lsu Tigers were this year undefeated fifteen to know winning the national championship. I think Edwards Elaire has ended up having eighteen. Hundred or so yards from scrimmage. So my question is why as you're watching all these winds. What did you see specifically from him? That jumped out on the big plays. He's only five eight five nine but he plays so much bigger than his stature. There's a play. Lsu Remember forever in the Alabama game. It's like a third and ten. I believe Album Rings Heats Broza dumping a lot to learn. Catch that like five six yards shortage for the first down marker and just runs over Trevan Dixie. Many people thought was going to be a first round pick Hears his name called early today? The second round which Lou right through and there was also play in the first quarter. He just jumped over the goal line to score and to be to play that big sized bachelor impressive. A lot of people didn't think it myself included our own. It we thought Edwards Hilarious GonNa get passed up eventually as the season progressed because L. She brought in the number one running back prospect in America and another force we all thought at emory. He's GonNa hold the Fort. Down for maybe. The duration of non conference season the first as he gave me a second. Sec game within John. Mayer ty Davis Price Bill takeover. That wasn't the case Edwards. Allaire took that job and he kept it and like you said about eighteen hundred yards fifty five catches and. He's a lockable statement. Runningback ever people saver tiger. Ever correct me if I'm wrong but as I watched the tape it doesn't look like he's necessarily the speediest running back but there is an elusiveness to his game that you don't typically see it. Yeah how there's like one big Run yet against Arkansas where you went about eighty s yard. Maybe ninety dollars. He's more of a can make you miss with Trevan dates. He just terrorized that night until Palooza. And that's why I go back to compare so much because I'm a saints Fan. Chimera has that ability to just kind of absorbed contacts and use that defenders momentum against them. That's I see with Edwards Being so short he has good center of gravity. Kinda square up is deadly to spend the Jews. He can just make people miss without having to take unnecessary shots. Something we've seen with Andy. Reid is the willingness and really the emphasis on using running backs in the passing game. So we know that Edwards Allaire can do that. We know he can rush the football. My question is and this is something that Andy. Reid really likes. How is he in the screen game? The take advantage of the room that offensive Lineman can give him yeah he he can especially like like. I mentioned with his ability to stuttle cuts me subtle little twitches. He gives he he's. He's great on the screen. She didn't really usually running back screens. When they to Arizona's mainly may split him out wide or there was one plane the Alabama game. Where you kinda round a wheel route out of the backfield massively can't screen name but L. She didn't really use some like that but I totally expect them to use it like that. Come up Football season while I have you. I want to ask you about two other players. We've kind of gotten through a Clyde Edwards first of all Patrick Queen going a few picks ahead to the Baltimore Ravens when you look at the chiefs and the Ravens right now. They've sort of quietly become the two kings battling it out for the AFC type of player the Ravens. Getting that now the chiefs mad have to deal with in something like the AFC title. Game Queens Awesome As a Saint Fan really hurt. My feelings at the saints didn't call Queens number. We are all hoping for that Queen can be Your prototypical three down linebacker that the NFL wants nowadays with the ability to drop into coverage and goes silent silent. He backed up a back. Devon white last year which is no knock on him being devastated the best linebacker in school history but for Queen who Quinton oddly enough. He didn't start the season so for him to rise to first round. Pick when you don't even start the entire duration of your national championships and that's really surprising but a testament to how talented he is. He's a little raw but he can really shoot the gas. You can get sidelines on fast. And that's what people like. He's like a recent Al-Sheikh prize. He's like Dion Jones. In that sense you can just cover a Kelsey but it out the cover Edwards most running back. Most Haydn. He can do that. I think she's fans will be happy to hear that he will be able to cover. Travis Kelsey that's some good news when it comes to Patrick Queen. I WanNa ask you about a depth running back for the chiefs to end. It actually was a mentor of Edwards. Allaire in Daryl Williams was non drafted free agent. He showed some promise toward the beginning of the twenty. Th season ended up getting placed on reserve. You can tell on twitter. He wasn't pleased about that. When the chiefs were on their super bowl run because he thought he could have been healthy for the the playoff run. Do the chiefs have something there or do you feel like in his pro career. Daryl Williams. Maybe the ceiling is going to be like a reserve type of guy. I like to think that Williams can carve out a role. Maybe as a mechanic like power back so to speak because he's not gonna be that type While the stature is great in the open field in the space you're not going to see him do too many of those leaping out of the Golan plays like I mentioned arrogance Alabama. I think we can be bad for Kansas City. Cont the nice counter. There's a stretch of time His freshman year. He came out with Leonard for never people thought that Williams was the better running back Williams which is very compact Doesn't like doesn't make a lot of people miss but while Edwards can kind of out of shoes make people miss cuts Arizona economy like that little bit of a bowling ball which I think is a nice balance and he has surprisingly good hands. I think he does can carve out a role in Kansas City doing to close our interview. I WANNA provide chiefs fans with an outlet because once we get through the NFL draft. We don't know win. Footballs that had come back. So if chiefs fans WANNA watch three Edwards Allaire efforts. Which Games are they turning on the Alabama game for sure He got my second baby he got he got two carries in the peach bowl devastation of Oklahoma and the the second carry. Maybe I carry. He didn't play much because he kind of tweets Hampshire Over exam just bowled over sooner defensive back. Everyone's like okay. He's good he's worth worth turning that Vermont for the two plays for sure just for those people as yet and them becoming game honestly because he he only had like ten maybe fifteen touches but he still got a hundred yards and he he flash some good Receiving skills he kinda helped spark the first touchdown guy it was scoring play was a deep passage. Amar Chase but it was Edward to Larry Kinda got them amenable because they finally Stopped kind of trying to force the past and give it to Edwards. Learn kind of back off that Clemson. Pass Rush. That's GonNa be key for the chiefs and that's interesting that you say that that he sort of makes the most of his limited opportunities because when you're dealing with as you mentioned Travis Kelsey Nyet McColl Hardman tyreek Hill. Who knows if Daryl Williams starts to show some outside you have Sammy Watkins? Who knows how many times clydes even to touch the football so the fact that he is performing again with those limited touches. I think it's good news to teach fans as well so your name Zachary Gender. You are the lead editor over at our LSU espy nation website. How can the People Follow Yourself? They can follow the feed itself at at a TV S. sugar At a TV shook they can follow myself. At Zachary Java J. D. A. Were put outs. It's a really successful weekend for Lsu. Like I mentioned. There's a chance that they can set the record for most overall picks with I think the numbers fourteen. They might break that number this weekend. sorts out all type of content. We've also been doing. It's been my project today. We're doing a job bracket or ranking on every single agenda touchdowns march out yet sixty five. So it's a it's a full-fledged brackets a nice luxury to have with that many touchdowns choose from that many. Well thank you very much. I think will both be watching a lot of people around these parts. WanNa see Clyde Edwards Allaire from the national title to what will be a back to back Super Bowl title. That remains to be seen joining us.

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How to Eliminate Chaos, Stress, and Discontent in Your Workplace  Marianne Clyde

A New Direction

1:21:01 hr | 1 year ago

How to Eliminate Chaos, Stress, and Discontent in Your Workplace Marianne Clyde

"Say the game is good old Monday morning, coffee, cold. Live is not much. So we're going to be turning this on. Tomorrow, we go three. Hi, everyone and welcome to a new direction. It's me is your host and forty two. We have a great show. Well, telling you, it's a great show. I say Jade, you always say, it's great. But the guests amazing. So of course, it's going to be great show. I want to just tell you something though this show. Is going to be I I've said this before other right? It's going to be a powerful show, and they have been right. This is going to be a powerful shop. Everybody. Get your friends. Get your enemies get the people you haven't forgiven. Get the people that you're still in the border about forgiving and get them on the show. Okay. Tell them to download the podcast or watch us live because as you know, we do this show live on Facebook. And so tell them to get over here and watch listen right to the show because we have Marianne, CLYDE, she is a licensed therapist, and she wrote this book. I know you can't see it on the podcast, but you could see it. It's called Sint tivi, and it's how to eliminate chaos stress and discontent in your workplace. Is there anybody out there who would like to keep the chaos keep your stress and be discontented in your workplace if you would like to keep those things in your life? Would you? Please just leave the show now because that would be the best thing for you is because you really love chaos you like stress, and you really want to choose to be more discontented. So if that's you then this year, I was probably not for you. However, if you want to eliminate chaos dress and discontent in your workplace, and in your life, and in your career or your business, you're going to want to watch and listen to Marion CLYDE talk about zen tivi in the workplace because I'm telling you this book, and and it's so powerful you're going to love this book. But before we get started. Let's do it. We do every week. And let's check in with you at the four areas of your life. Right. We are four part people. We are physical people. We are mental people. We are emotional people, and we are spiritual people. All right. And you know every day you are somewhere in those four areas. So on a scale of went to ten one being miserable ten being outstanding. Where are you physically today? If you had to put a number on it, right? Where are you physically? Are you are you eating right? Are you? Doing the right things. Are you getting the right amount of exercise are what are you doing are? How are you feeling? How are you doing all those things physically skilled went to ten one being awful ten being outstanding? What your number today? You got that? Okay. That's your first number. All right. Second number where are you at right now? Mentally, and what do I mean by that? I mean, how are you feeding your brain? Right. There's two sides to our brain. Right. We've got right side. Which is this creative side. And we got this left side. That's more logical side. What are you doing to feed your brain? Right. I am so privileged to get to show like this because I read a book a week, right? And so over the course of the year, and of course, get to interview experts over the course read about forty books year forty books here, and I have to tell you it feeds my brain really good stuff because they're all non fiction, they're helping me grow and learn. And of course, you know, intimidate has been one of those books that is in that category. I love it. What are you doing to feed your brain? Right. And by the way when it comes to. To your brain. It's one of those organs that we have in the body that you can exercise forever. As long as there is breath in your lungs. You can exercise your brain. So on a scale of one to ten one being awful, ten being great. How you doing mentally? All right. Got that number got two numbers. Right. Third number. How you doing mostly? What do I mean emotionally mostly? Here's what I'm talking about. I'm asking you emotionally like do the little things to queue off. Are you are you stressed easily because something happens in your life or a circumstance comes up are eight how well you able to control your emotions better yet. How well are you able to relate to the emotions of others, right? All that combined. We call an emotional quotient, sometimes you'll hear it called emotional intelligence. Right. So I'm gonna ask us guild went to ten one being miserable. Ten being amazing where you at emotionally right now. Right. And then what are you going to do about it rates? All these things you've got a number, and they go what do you do in the whole listen toll object here is not to get if you're four it's not get to a ten today. Okay. If you could get to a four point five, right? If you could just do something right now to get yourself to a four point five. That's what I want you to do. Okay. So all right. Let's talk about. The fourth year of your life, and that's the spiritual Brown, right? And we have a lot of people go, I don't believe in spiritual stuff. Folks, you do you don't you just don't call, it spiritual. I promise you that. There is something that you do that gives centers you gives you a sense of peace gives you a sense of somewhere that that you can go that feels like you have faith in that helps them sometimes. It's karma right for some people. Come sometimes people believe in nature, sometimes people believe in God. And if that is I always asked me, how's that relationship going for you? Right. So the key is here. What is it that brings you back to center? What is it that brings you back to a peaceful state? All right in its can't be explained by science, it generally isn't because there's so much that science listen, I have an MS degree. All right. That's a science or master of science. I just tell you. We just can't explain everything science, right? So let's look at the spiritual round for a second. Right. And on a scale ten where you at. All right. So you have four numbers, right? You have your physical number you mental. Number your motion, number your spiritual number right, thicker, those four numbers as the legs of table. Right. Try eating off of an uneven table, that's hard. Right. But what if all your numbers are really low? Well, that's really even more difficult, isn't it because he was sitting normal chair trying to eat off of normal table. That's that low. It's really difficult to do. The whole object is to be well-balanced and to bring yourself up to that high of level. And by the way, I'm going to tell you if somebody's going to help you do that and areas of your life. It's going to be my next guest. Her name is Mary Ann, CLYDE, and Mary Ann CLYDE, by the way, I am so privileged about Marianne CLYDE because I've interviewed her first one I was on the Gygi Jaguar experience show nationally, and I was on her show that she does. And I think of her even though she's this amazing licensed therapist, right? She is a friend. So, but I'm going to do the the classic Bayat. The by that I do right? So Mary CLYDE is an expert in mental health in the workplace. She speaks to businesses associations about empowerment team building and relationship networking. She's a licensed marriage family therapist. She's being practiced for over twenty eight years. Although you wouldn't believe it. If you looked at her energizing speaker, she's dauntless world traveler, she's lived in Japan for over eight years. She spent at least she's been at least probably twenty different countries. She teaches about recovery trauma, personal empower interpersonal relationship. She's also, by the way, northern Virginia's twenty eighteen northern Virginia and of the year, right? Because she's also owner was the owner, I should say of the Marian CLYDE center for holistic psychotherapy, and she's an amazing person. She's also author of this book called entity. And she is brought to you today by of course, our sponsor, which is business brokers and advisors. Look, if you're going to sell your business, you need an expert to do that for you. So why not go? Oh with the people that even experts now, and that is in line business brokers and advisors. I know just now I know that people they're amazing people if you've got to sell your business, and you want it done confidential with complete confidentiality you need to call in line because his brokers and advisors. That's n line E N L N dot com. Check them out. Also need to say, we got a brand new sponsored Linda crafted team realtors. We want to thank them for sponsoring new direction. Thank you into craft team realtors. If you're looking for real estate needs one is just go to Linda craft LAND, a CR dot com and this week's t-shirt shout of the week goes to locally owned business. Dak no dot com. Check them out because they gave us gave me the t shirt. And if you wanna have your t-shirt from your company on this show, just send me just send an extra large t shirt to a new direction and just contact me directly. We'll do that. So now without further do, ladies and gentlemen, and by the way, thank you all for joining us live, John. On Ken, buddy. Jeff JR, and Joey I want to thank you for joining us right now. Please welcome to the show. Maryanne Cline Marian where to the show. What I'm light to be with you again. Thank you for having me. I'm excited to be here excited to I told you off the air before we started the first time, I interviewed you I did not read the whole book. I of kind of Peru's couldn't even tell. Well, I'm glad that you couldn't. But I didn't. And so this time though, I read the book from cover to cover because I promise all my authors. That interview on the show that I will read the book cover to cover, and then I give them an Amazon review. And it's it's my guaranteed every author that gets to do the show. And when I I read this book entity, I thought to myself, I know it's going to be good. And because there's certain elements of and I knew that we're going to be great. And then I went and said, I didn't realize it was going to be this good. And I didn't realize just how powerful this book was a matter of fact, it was so powerful. I thought maybe the book was just for me. And it really wasn't for everybody else. Because when we're talking about eliminating chaos stress and discontent in the workplace. Right. And you have a name legs entity. There's a part of you that goes. And then I went oboe. It's so much more than that. So let's let's talk about. Let's talk about zen tippety. Let's define that right out of the gate. How do we how do you defined entity? Just kind of environment that you reach in your personal life or your business life in your office. That's just everything runs. Like a well oiled machine that the chaos does not take over. It's there. It's always going to be there. But it doesn't take over what's happening in your world. You can't control chaos all the time. But you can't control your response to it. And that's kind of the state of entities acknowledging its there and not being sucked dry by it. So divided this book into parts, right? And which by the way, so so you had parts, and then you had chapters in those parts, and the part one is things that keep us stuck. And you know, I am a big fan of helping people get stuck that especially businesses. Walk into like you do with your books to sell. Right. And so in chapter one you come right out of the blocks and your title of your chapter is raising awareness, and I just want to read the very first sentence. Right. Because if this doesn't blow you way, people nothing else, well approximately as of two thousand and this is two thousand nine statistic. Approximately one million US employees miss work each day to workplace stress. Right. Will still we're raising awareness. Help us out here Marian. Absolutely. That's like I loved what the way you started. The show is one way we have to nurture. Our awareness is become aware of how we're responding to our environment. And and what you did was you slowed everybody down for just a minute or two to say, okay. How are you doing? Not just I'm fine. Because that's the only four letter f word that was never allowed in my office. That's a terrible word. Somebody says I'm fine that just means shut up and go away, and and you made them stop you made the audience stop and say, how are you doing physically? Now. How are you doing mentally now? How are you doing emotionally? And how are you doing spiritually because we glomming altogether and go, I'm fine. I'm all right. I'm great. And the fact is we need to be aware of what's going on in our lives because that huge amount of people who miss work every day. Because they're stressed a lot of physical. You know, illnesses happen because of stress we get our immune system all screwed up. And and then then we'd have to get sick and stay home. And or we just can't handle the pressure at work. And so we take a mental Health Day, which which I actually think is okay too. Here's the thing that we're gonna talk about this more in detail. But I think people miss the emotional physical connection. Right. So we get stressed. And because you talk about this in the book, we get stressed the emotions become overwhelming. And we actually talk our selves into getting sick. Absolutely. We do and correct. And so what happens is, so so I think you like what you said in in this first chapter the book, which I think is powerful right is awareness is the first step to change. Absolutely. If you don't know what's wrong, you can't fix it. And that's that's so simply elegant. I mean, that's what my my home. Message is pretty basic because life isn't all that complicated. If you break it down as neatly as you did in the first few minutes of your show. Just sit down see how you're doing. And and then and then we'll cope with it. If you're not doing well physically. Let's go take a walk outside. You're not doing well, mentally, you know, go do a Sedova. There's tangible things you can do in your life to change any one of those things in a moment because our life is run, by the way, we think not by what everybody else is doing. You can't control them. I'm sure you figured that out. Right. No. I mean, I mean, it's like listen. We all know the Albert Einstein crow, quote, right complaining and doing the same things over and over again expecting a whole different result is insanity. Right. So we yet we get into the stressful mode. And you tell me if I'm wrong here because you're the therapist. I'm just I'm just a psychological professional who tries to figure this thing out. But anyway, you're the therapist license therapist. I mean, but we we have this tendency to think that if I just stay with it and do the things that I've always done something's going to change. Right. It's really magical thinking, it's really it's like we spend our life. Wishing our spouse would start paying more attention to us. We spend our life, wishing the boss would pay attention to our ideas, we spend our life. Wishing our kids would actually listen, you know, and and then we yell about it. We fuss about it. And we you know, you know, what you you've you've ever heard the same. Sure, you have what you resist persists. And and it just means whatever you're fighting against you're empowering because you have to because you're encouraging someone or something to fight back and cause resistance, and if you just learned little judo move emotionally to just kind of let let the, you know event kind of go past you over you under you around you through you, whatever then you can move on. And you don't lose your balance you have to maintain that ballet. Since that inner sense of. Entity shall we say love though? And and and and that's just like a it's like, taekwondo course. We're talking with Marianne CLYDE, author of this outstanding books in tippety. It's not a long related gentlemen. But I'm gonna tell you what it is. It's a powerful read and what it's like having her right next to you. It really is it I was thinking about how you how I describe this book. This this book is gonna help your business in so many ways because it it's done in is done in a very loving way. It's done in a very joyful way. And it's done in a way that will bring you peace, and kindness, and it's done gently and it's patiently done. It's got faithfulness to it. And it's going to bring about self control. It's just it's just a super super book powerful book. And she's brought to you today by in my business brokers and advisors. If you want to sell your business or you're looking to buy business, why not call the people who know what they're really doing. And that's the folks that n line contact them at E N, L dot com and also Linda craft and team real tourists when. You're interested in selling your home or maybe buying home. Doesn't matter where it's at in the world contact the experts, they know their business contact them at Linda craft L I N the craft C R T dot com, and they're sponsoring today's new direction and Marianne CLYDE, and we are so grateful for them one of the things that you say in this chapter, and this is the connection between stress and work as you said when people are experiencing stressors in their personal lives. It is very difficult to stay focused on the task at hand. And when they aren't focused things fall through the cracks deadlines are missed and sick leave gets out of hand expand that. You can't pay attention to what you're supposed to be doing. If you I sorta got a picture of like pig pen from from the old Charlie Brown commercial, you know, at the comic strip because it's it's like you've got all this stuff going around in your head. You just don't have the bandwidth to to affectively complete whatever your task is at hand ultimately somewhere, it's going to weaken and collapse. And yeah, you can do it for a while you can fight your way through it and just ignore the stressors for a while. But eventually chips and chips and chips away at your sense of self your sense of being your physical, wellbeing, your spiritual being and your motion wellbeing, and you get scattered and anybody knows that when you're scattered. You know, you're. You've got to many plates that you're spinning and you might be good at spinning one or two or even ten, but once once somebody adds that last plate everything comes crashing down that straw that breaks the camel's back, and so you you don't have to get affected with spinning plates. You have to get effective with spinning your own thought process in an effective way. How to how to calm yourself down how to refocus yourself? What to do when things are going awry? You know, I think a lot of times, you know, you, and I both coach, you know, you know, managers CEO's, and and you and I have been in those environments, and sometimes it's very difficult for the CEO of a company or the management of team to understand the connection between the personal and the professional, and and you and I both written articles and entrepreneur magazine related to this and other articles that we Britain, and I keep trying to tell people the connection, but you cannot separate the personal from the business. It's a really neat dream. But it's it's just I mean, if you're going through a divorce try try separate Chaika part mental ising that in your job. It's just it doesn't happen. And somehow people I think somehow people think that they've done it successfully. But they really don't know that they haven't. And so well, I've literally heard say, well, I've through a divorce. It didn't affect my job. No, you were tyrant when you were going to divorce, right? It's like well. Well, my parents raised me this way, and I turned out. All right. I mean, there's so many people that say that and I'm thinking really are you really, okay? You know, or were you always? Okay. No. We have to recognize when we're hurting when we're stressed when we're in a bad situation where a bad relationship and and learn to. Deal with the matter at hand learn to recognize our emotions feel them and let them pass because we don't recognize the anger. The resentment the bitterness that were kind of washing down. Ultimately, it kind of reeks out of our of our lives either through our health through our bad relationships or a reactively. I mean heaven look look at the look at the reactively that's all around us. You know, I don't even like to watch the news anymore because it's not really reporting. It's reactively and reactivity never accomplishes anything constructive, unless you're houses on fire, and then the reactivity to get out of the house is probably helpful even plant. Hopefully, hopefully, you have. Yeah. So it's not completely reactive. So so. I wouldn't things we touch it. We're gonna I'm gonna throw it up psychological term because we're bouncing all around without saying it, and it's the it's the danger of mere imaging right? It's our danger of saying I've done it. Look at me. This is what I've done, but here's the here's the real danger of that. It's not just saying look what done you can do it too. It's also understanding that your MIR. Is it nearly as clear as you'd like to think it is? Great point great point. We see a mirror dimly these days. Wait. We just don't see ourselves like other people do. We don't see we're talking with Marianne collide, author of zen Titi. Great book how to eliminate chaos. Dress and discontent in your workplace. So I wanna I wanna read this definition of entity to the folks. And and then I am going to we're gonna talk about how in the workplace the four things that can keep you from integrity. So then tippety is peaceful common virement in which implies are actively engaged in the creative and productive process. So that they can make more money and everyone can be happy and well motivated. Right. I mean who doesn't want that? If there's anybody out there that doesn't want a peaceful common virement in which employs are actively engaged in the creative productive process of that. They can make more money and everyone can be happy and well motivated, and you're more profitable who doesn't want that. If you don't want that stop listening. Okay by now. Okay. So there's four things though that it tends to that that you talk about that keep us from that entity and its feelings of captivity negatively project, tippety and reactively. Right. Yeah. And so. In Utah, captivity makes if there's sometimes I feel trapped I don't know about other people captive about feeling trapped in this whole trapped escape process. You know, there's so many times when people don't really realize they feel trapped they feel trapped in job trapped in a marriage trapped in, you know, not being able to get opportunities. One of my very greatest examples is Viktor Frankl who was a prisoner of of in in one of the concentration camps psychiatrist and and his whole philosophy. He survived and one of the reasons he survived when the main reasons is because you can be captive physically and not be captive, mentally. And that's when you know that you have control over your thoughts over your attitude that sounds like a cliche, but it's actually very very true. And my favorite quote of Viktor Frankl is between stimulus and response there. There is base. And in that space lies, my freedom to choose and as long, and we we have a freedom to choose how we're going to approach this life. And so you have you feel trapped in your job take an assessment and say, what do I knew to do to feel not trapped? How how do I get out of this feeling of being trapped? How do I learn to express my feet freedom with in this environment? It all depends on how you ask the question. Oh my God. I feel so trapped. Why is my boss keeping me trapped? You're gonna stay trap that way. But if you say, how am I going to move on? What am I going to do? It's it's actually just taking personal responsibility for the way, you think about a situation. That's where your freedom lies. I love it. When I wanted to jump in with you on this because I have even when I was teaching psychology classes in college, right? And I was teaching my students I would say to them. You know, you have a choice on everything that happens to you have a choice of how you're gonna respond and you come up, and you could kick me as hard as you want in the shin. I still have a choice of respond to that. I seriously. I I may be hard. I'm not saying that it's easy. But ultimately if you kick me as hard as you, can I can still choose a different response. In there. And I think we forget that we are we've got more power than than we think we have. Yeah. I think what you said is recognizing that. It's not easy. You know that that? Yeah. The easiest thing to do smack somebody back over to to react and let your body just respond, but if you can embrace the situation for what it is. And and and and I really want your audience to to know that that we're not tossing out cliches here these things are really really possible, but they take practice. Yes. Your shin is going to hurt their. Yes, let let's just admit your shin is going to hurt, but you can curse that person out. You can throw them out of your office. You can call them names or you can take a deep breath and say, hey, what's going on? And and an open dialogue. Not that. Everybody's open to dialogue mind you. But but as long as you're willing that makes the difference. The next thing that you talk about his negatively and one of the things they talked about. It's negativity is that we could be addicted to negativity. Oh, yeah. Interesting thing is. You know, when you find out that you can be addicted to emotions. It not just we all know negative people. You know, they they find they find the the pothole instead of the the smooth road in everything. But but you can also be addicted to things like being in love the sensation of being in love that might feel like a good feeling. But then you're all always chasing that feeling and you don't feel happy unless you have more of that drug of being in love you can. Yeah, we get we get some kick out of being angry. We can get a we can get a a sort of surge of energy by road rage. Mine does not not good energy. But I mean, it it keeps us moving on. It keeps us reacting and so forth. But the idea is all those things fizzle out the things that we have to. Choose not to be addicted to anything not just drugs and alcohol. Not just work. Not just accolades and at appreciation, we need to learn to be content with life taking its side roads. Life taking its detours nothing is predictable shall we say then taxes, but you know, that goes to. Talking with Marianne CLYDE, author of the books in Titi. You can find it Amazon favorite bookstore. It's it's a great books by Balboa press. It's fabulous book. This is literally how to eliminate chaos dress and discontent in your workplace, and we're kind of walking away slowly through the book because there's just this book is packed. I'm actually going to skip the last two areas because we're gonna go to chapter two. And then we're gonna move on. Because I gotta tell you. There's these ten things I gotta get to in this book that are so powerful and that we're connecting up, but you can do that. By the way, she's brought to you today by inline business brokers and advisors. They have literally helped thousands of people in the purchase and sale of their business when you are looking to sell your business, and you wanna do it with complete and total confidentiality. Don't call anyone else. Call my friends at n line business brokers and advisors. You can find more information at E N, L G, N dot com. And by the way, tell them that you. I heard them talked about on a new direction. And also, our new sponsor we want to welcome to the show, Linda crafted team, real tours when you're ready to buy sell your home or anywhere in the world. Whether it's residential commercial you need to talk to the folks at Linda craft team realtors. I'm telling you, these folks are amazing. They are experts in their field. There's a reason why they say Linda craft team knows their business you need to check them out. Go to Linda craft L. I N D A craft C R A F T dot com, and they're bringing Marianne and of course, zen divoty today. So I'm gonna move on. Because we could we could sit there. I'm gonna tell you what we could get stuck in chapter one and never get outta chapter. One. And chapter two. Let me just say though, Jay. 'cause I think that's important when you get addicted to negatively or anything else it, actually changes your brain. No. And, you know, just like just like if you were addicted to drugs, just like if you're addicted alcohol, and you don't want your brain to be stuck there. Whatever little kick, you get from negatively or anger or rage. You just don't want to be stuck there. So as you suggested, we'll move onto the ten things then and we can talk about how to change your brain in a good way. You will. Okay. So I don't like to get to psychologically geeky, but I'm going to because I used to teach Brandon Ademi and function and so to some nursing students, and and folks and I love brain, especially like, okay, wait, folks. Don't turn it off. I'm about to say something here. That's really nerdy geeky. So don't turn me off about to say, I enjoy the secular release of neurotransmitter. Okay. I just said, okay. Whatever. What was that never mind? It's a really geeky term. The talk about that. We have these five thousand chemicals that run through one hundred billion little microscope ick areas that make us function normally or not. So normally, and I love that. Because when we talk about addiction, and we always focus on drugs or alcohol or something else. But we don't understand that we can be addicted to anything in it changes, those chemical pathways, and it changes how many chemical stay or don't stay in those areas, and that's really the heart of addiction physically from physical standpoint, even talking about the emotional mental pieces, but from a physical standpoint what's happening, the brain. You have all these chemicals, and if they're out of order, they're out of sync or they don't get re sucked back up into the right Denver, or they stay into long, or whatever the case may be it changes the way we function think and also can create all sorts of addictive processes, which is why emotions can dictate or at least part of the reason why. Right. Listen to this guy won all your viewers to hear that you 'cause you're genius. Genius. True. So it's just an important thing your stand it is a physical addiction. And and it's something that happens in the body. So thank you for saying that that's great. I just I love that stuff in geeky all day. I really can't. Because I do have that idea of that part of me I hear him. I wear my cowboy hat, and you know, my cowboy boots and belt buckles, and here, I get psychologically. Chapter two you talk about balance on a little bit of a maverick. Actually, a lot of a maverick you jeopardy. So you can't run when your feet are stuck. And there's one thing I wanna talk about in here talk about a number of things. But one of the things that business owners need to wrap their minds around is that your employees can get stuck and one of them is is them living in fear. Absolutely talk about that. Really, the, you know, if you break it down, my thought is you're either living in love, which is the greatest power there is and that doesn't that's not all touchy feely. That's that's a positive power that we have within us or you're living in fear. And and if and people might think that fear is a good thing. Like, I'm afraid of my boss. Well, that's a good thing. Because if you're not gonna get fired we teach our kids to be afraid of the traffic. So they don't run out in the traffic. Now, you teach your kids to be wise about traffic you teach your kids about what traffic can do what a car can do if you run out in front of it. And why you don't want to do that. And make good choices. You don't have to live in fear. Fear is not a good thing. Fear is a debilitating thing, and it causes. Reactively? And and you you want your employees being productive from a creative place from a from an energetic, a good, energetic place. Not a place of fear. I mean, I know I know some buses do want you in a place of fear, and I I've known bosses like that. And but, but if you allow your people to be free who they really are tapped into that source of love, and joy, and peace that really lives within each of us that is much more powerful. Much more productive and much more contagious. Then then fear fear very contagious as well. But it's more contagious in a in a constructive way. When we talk about contagious snus. Right. And we talk about fear can be contagious. Negatively can be. So contagious. Absolutely, right. It. I mean once it gets into the workplace. Oh, wow. I could sell businesses. And I've watched this happen were one negative person can absolutely just destroy the morale. Well, any normalizes then the negative, you know, and so and so with become it can become a culture in in a in a workplace, and and with gossip things things like gossip and fear and negatively those are all insidious things that creep into all the little nooks and crannies of of a work environment, and a work culture, and and destroy it from within because it it enhances division and division is so much different than diversity division divides. And conquers. Diversity of ideas, and and cultures and all kinds of stuff keep things vibrant and alive as long as it's done from a place that love and joy and peace. And again, I'm not not saying that from a man be Pam be Wimpy sort of way. It's those things are genuine, and I know, you know, that genuine powers that energize much more powerfully than negatively and you're right. It will destroy the culture of company negatively does. And not only that. I don't people need to understand that. When you have negatively in your company that you're looking at mutiny, it's a form of mutiny. Yeah. And people go, well, that's harsh. Are you saying that because the negativity I'm think about it? Do you want positive creative people or do you want? Negative negative angry gossiping people. What's what what's going to make your company more profitable? It's a simple question. I'll let let you think about it for a second everybody out there, which one you want. What do you think's gonna make you more profitable? Positive happy, creative people or negative gossiping angry people who talk behind your back, which one's gonna making profit. I'll give you second. Okay. So I think right. Absolutely. No. I gave you the second. And it's mutiny at your business. Your your businesses being is being sabotaged by negatively. And when I was reading this. And I was like going people people do not understand business owners don't understand you cannot allow this to continue. I'm sorry. But you're never going to be of his business as successful as you can be when you allow negatively ticket or I'm a little passionate. I'm sorry about that. I'm a little passionate about that. Okay. It's so true. It's you know, you if anything you allow that that gets into it's like it's like water seeping in the basement. Ultimately, it's going to flood the basement you can't let it in. And it has to start at the top of the business. I mean, it the a business owner or a bus or a supervisor has to learn to turn negatives into positives. Open communication to discuss things like that. Because if you shut down because one of the ten things we wanted to talk about one of the ten principles. This is communicate effectively if you don't if you don't acknowledge the problem and become aware of what the problem is. And don't talk about it. Then then you just going to kind of shut everybody down until they explode, and then and then. In that negativities going to seep out the edges and destroy that business. Talking with Marianne CLYDE, licensed therapist entity right now. And we're talking about listen you want to get rid of the chaos. You wanna get rid of stress? You wanna get rid of discontent and your workplace this books entity is extraordinarily powerful. It's also going to be insightful for you personally, by the way. And and what I found about this book when I as I read this book through over and over again, especially started parts of it that were speaking loudly to me, and she just did it again. I'll tell her after the show what it was do you want to I'll tell I'll tell you what it was. So she talked about not teaching your kids fear, and I grew up a little bit of being taught fear. Right. Not not respecting the things so much as you need to be afraid of this of that case. I'm just going to come clean, and and it's filtered into my life as an adult. This could be authentically on. And so I have to be very cautious because it's made me more aware that sometimes I can have these fearful thoughts fearful emotions in certain situations and with certain things and just just because I'm sixty five inches tall two hundred sixty pounds doesn't mean and in the gym five days a week. Plus doesn't mean that you can't be afraid by the way? All right. Any guy who says it or not wrong? And it's a liar called you out. So I'm just telling you that that that that that really hit me hard there. So this gives me the opportunity to stay. Let's become proactive chapter three. Authenticity. Jay, I really do. Don't make change by continue talking about how bad the problem is. As a matter of fact. That makes really brilliant author by the name of Mary clients that book. She is a genius talk more about that talk about. I'm sorry. Let's talk more about you know, we can't we can't talk just keep talking about how bad the problem is. We got to be proactive. Right. It's like kicking dead horse. It doesn't do anything. It's it's when when you're because another little cliche that I that. I know everybody knows what you focus on increases. So if you're gonna focus on the vict- on your face, that's all you're gonna see when you're looking in the mirror, and and you know, it's it's that is true in every area of our lives. So we recognize that. I mean, if we always talk about how the boss does this or how we don't get enough time off or we're not making enough money. We should always say how can I change that? What can I do about that? The only thing we have control over j, you know, this better than anybody is is what we do about something. And as long as you keep pounding on. We're not making enough money. We're not making enough money. We're not making. Enough widgets. We're not, you know, whatever, we're not doing you focus on that. It doesn't do anything. You you have to say what can I do about that? And the smallest tiny little change will pan out into a huge return it and just one thing at a time. You know, it's just like you can't lose ten pounds in one day you, but if you start changing your habits a little bit at a time, ultimately, even if the scale goes up and down you're going to notice a change and the same thing in business culture, if you've had a business culture that say nobody's allowed to talk here. Nobody's dog here hate working here and not allowed to tell anybody you sit there and grumble about that you have to be the one to say I'm gonna go to the boss or the supervisor. And I'm going to say what can we do about better communication? Can we have a suggestion box? And we have a weekly staff. Eating. Can we have just throw out suggestions? And at every little thing, you do that proactive. Lead you closer to some sort of solution. And and you're right. You're right. And and yet I can here, and I'm gonna let you I'm gonna play the devil's advocate here little bit. Okay. So so so I'm gonna let you be Marianne CLYDE, licensed therapist that. You are play the devil's advocate here and go. Yeah. But Marianne, look, my I gotta have things happen now. Because my businesses and trouble. You know, you're telling me that this is going to be a long-term solution. What am I supposed to do? Now. Great question. But any problem didn't happen overnight it and and just just like like ten pounds. We have that happen overnight either. And and and so you just have to embrace the situation for what it is. It doesn't mean you have to like it. It doesn't mean you have to agree with it. It doesn't mean that you have to come up with a solution immediately. But you have to have a plan, and it's going to take a while. And the only thing you can change overnight is your attitude, and that's I would say ninety percent of the solution. I love it. Mary CLYDE, author of zen tippety. Right. He went eliminate the chaos stress. Discontent your workplace you need to get this book. It's it's it's awesome. You can get on Amazon matter of fact, let me tell you. Why don't you? Why don't you do what they do at Linda craft and team realtors? They actually read a book with the team. And why don't you choose this? As a book that your team is going to read together and talk through it, and maybe get at some of the deeper rooted issues that are going on in your business because this book is going to be extraordinarily helpful. And by the way, I don't care if you're the CEO the manager or if you are the person who cleans cleans the place at at the end of the day. This is gonna be great. You're gonna love the book. It's awesome. And you're gonna really enjoy it. So. Okay. So so I get I get so frustrated, you know, what makes me frustrated is that. We're talking here. Right. We haven't even got to the considered meet at the. Got into those Tennyson essential principles. Right. We haven't even got there yet. And I'm like, we're never gonna make it through. There's there is no way we're gonna make it through all the ten essential principles of of of really connecting principles to keep you centered and focused which is chapter four which by the way, only chapter four because there's ten chapters in this book, folks. Okay. And we're not going to get their account just telling you right now. So if you want to find out what happens okay in this book, zen tippety? If you I find what happens to buy the book. Okay. That's just that's what you're going to have to do is what you're gonna have to do because it's great. So there are ten principles that can be played what you say. And I'm quoting you. There's ten ten principles that could be played at home and at work, and they are foundational for living a life ABS entity and here they are. And I'm just going to say them, and then we'll talk we'll talk through as many as being a doctor. Connect to your creator. No, your true identity. Nurture awareness, breathe respect practice. Gratitude. Limit judgments detach. Communicate clearly forgive quickly. Which which one would you like to start with? I'm I'm I'm. Punch here because these are your ten what would you like to start with? Well, the three foundational principles about connecting to your creator and know, your true identity and the nurturing awareness, those those are the things we already spent some time talking about you can't make any change unless you're aware, but the connecting with your creator is is taking and you had said when you were checking people's spirituality number for the day. It doesn't have to be a certain religion, a different type of certain type of meditation. But some reflective time, and I like to call it a meditation time or contemplative time every single day. And and if you can do it twice a day. That's great simply focusing on your connection to the creator of the universe. However, you've you that whether it's nature weather. It's got but there's a stillness and quietness. That we must connect to. Because the the world is noisy. The world is loud chaos is crazy. And we have to be still and know that that's not who we are. When we connect. And dig our roots deep deep deep into that connection with all creation and our creator, then we can know are true identity because in in my view that creator that God if you will is love, and joy, and peace and patience, and kindness, and goodness and creativity and wisdom and all those things and if I am one with that energy. I also am love and joy, and peace and wisdom and creativity. That's my true nature. And that's where fear comes to pull us away. And. In the world. The chaos around us. Pulls us away from who we really are. Which is why it's important to take a few minutes every day to connect to the love, the joy, the peace power, the creativity. That is the most productive part of the the thing that makes the seasons change the things that makes the leaves grow back on the trees this time of year. It's it's it's a power that's innate in us. And we must connect to that. Because I know I am whole perfect complete lacking. Nothing. The chaos can't change that. And I just need to learn to become aware principle. Three of what's going on around me? And who I am inside. And always choose who. I am inside rather than the chaos. I can make a difference. I can change my thinking I have to be aware is my thinking. as you pointed out earlier is it negative, and I pointed out at the the negative stuff in my hounding on what's wrong or am. I asking the question. Okay. Okay. Yes. Yes. We have a we have a uncomfortable situation here. But what can I do about that? And and the proper awareness leads to ask a question that moves you in a productive direction. And and then the, you know, the next principal just breathe, which was my favorite. I mean, that's my million dollars fine. No matter what you're gonna write a book, just just breathe unconvinced frame. Of your tattoo on your wrist. That's what's going to be you go that near the fought. And and so those those are just ways we deal with the world, breathe and detach anytime somebody anytime, you're kind of feeling pressured to react to something. All you have to do is do what Viktor Frankl said. And and and remember that between the stimulus and response. There's a space, and that's created when you breathe and detach from the drama for Justice second, the nobody can suck you in. You know, and. Yeah. So those those are couple more the principles, so okay? So first of all. First of all, let me say that. That you gave the example at the connecting to your creator. It's like it's like you've got a lamp and you're holding the end of the cord, but it's not plugged into the wall, you're yelling because it's darn then you're mad because it's dark, right? I started laughing going. Of course, that's the way we write. I'm holding the lamp holding the court, but I'm not plugged into any sort of trinity. I mean, how do you expect it to work? Right. And that that was awesome. But then I wanna I do want to say that breathing in detaching. We're both powerful because I found myself when you were talking about the breathe part. We talk about how fast we move and that we gotta get things done. And we gotta get the next thing done in our jobs. And there's always another thing. There's always one more thing. There's always another Email. There's always another. There's always another text message. There's always another deal that has to be brokered. There's always something right? And we we if we will just take a second. And I tried this right because I stress now about some stuff, and I said, you know, what I just got to stop and breathe for a few minutes. Just focus on my breathing. Just breed. Right. And and I said, okay, just you're just clear out. Just don't worry about any stuff. Focus on the air coming in my nostrils exhaling through my mouth, just focus on that. And I was amazed at you know, you said, you know, it's it's like breathing out all the crud. And it was amazing just taking a few minutes. And I wasn't even taken a long time. But it was so amazing. How is able to go? Okay. I got this. Right. I was I got this. It's okay. This is not. This is me and my own mental emotional stuff. My own thoughts my own emotions taking control of my stress and. And I thought to myself man, if people in businesses just understood this simple process of just getting your people to breathe we push so hard, but we could be so much more productive. If we breathe. Be busy not a badge of honor. You know, everybody seems to think that it is. But here's one more example of where you are often Tissot invulnerability make it so clear that I think this that we need to add this message before this show ends. And it's that. Yes, you you admitted you get stressed out. So do I you know, you you admitted you had some childhood beliefs that that you deal with on. So do I, you know, I I don't want anybody to think that you know. Okay there. There's this pinnacle way, you have to exist. And and that until you get there, you're you're not good enough. The point is these are just markers and pointers to when you notice when you're aware that you're stressed. You have some things that you can do you can be grateful. You can brave you can detach. Which you can connect your creator. You can communicate effectively and last, but not least, but you can forgive and let go quickly and and those things are important. They're just tools those ten essential principles are just tools you we're perfect deep at our core. But in our humanity, we got some flaws. No. That such a catchy question. Do you have a hard three o'clock, stop or? No, no, no. I can keep going. Can we do you mind? If we go a little over time. No, not at all. And folks who are folks who are listening. We're going to give you some bonus content and for folks who are watching you know, what I've got so many of you. I need to say, thank you. That are watching right now. 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And there are new sponsor, and we're always opened up to sponsorships as well. And so just check them out because they can help you find the right real estate agent, a personal person a real professional that can help you. Find your next home or sell your next on just go to Linda craft dot com. L I N C R A F T dot com. And they are bringing together Marian CLYDE and her book zen tippety. How to eliminate chaos stress and discontent from the workplace. And so the reason I wanted to keep going, and it's still thank you again. But there's there's there's there's I don't wanna stop on respecting detach, breathing detach. Because there's there's three other ones. They're actually they're all I could talk about any one of them for an hour. But there's practice. Gratitude communicate clearly and forgive quickly. And I really wanna touch on. Why gratitude is so important in the workplace and how translates yeah, that's a great question. Because you know, we were talking about how being addicted to negatively and others negative emotions can change our brain just like meditation on a regular practice can change your brain gratitude on a regular practice can change your brain. And and this this can be as simple as choosing to. Think the first thing you wake up three things you wake up for that. You're grateful for three things before you go to bed at night. And that puts you kind of primes the pump. But in the work place, even telling people that you're grateful for them, tell showing your appreciation to employees and supervisors and bosses and coworkers it engenders a positive environment in the in the me office, and it's so important because as you were saying when you focus on what's wrong, you create this negative environment in the in the office. All you have to do is start looking for one thing. You're grateful for about each person leave little sticky notes. Hey, I love the way you closed that deal today. Hey, I really appreciate your taking that call for me when I was busy. Hey, thanks, just wanted to let you know that you did a good job. On that presentation. You know, I I have a friend who writes a written. Thank you note for for any time. I'd that she's at a presentation, I do or anytime that she's notices something in the newspaper or something like that. She sends a written. Thank you note, all the time, and then little stickers that say good job. She she's known for that. I think we should be known for our gratitude in our appreciation and that in itself will change the environment in a in an office setting. I agree with you. I started a few years ago a gratitude journal where I would wake up, and I initially I did five things. I was grateful. I just listed them. Right. And then I expanded it out when I woke up in the morning it went to seven things. But then I wrote out I am grateful for I just didn't list it. I wrote literally wrote out I am grateful for and then I started then it expanded into why I was grateful for it. And what happened was I found everything starting to change in my life. I started to find that my that. I not only was talking not only was telling myself what I was grateful for I was making it so real because was telling myself why I was grateful for it. And and then my day was started with seven things I was grateful for and why I was grateful for them. And and I will tell you I will tell you Marianne. It started with things like the Cup of coffee. You know, my wife my house my dog right started something, and then it became who. I am my maverick like personality, that's creative. And and that that is willing to challenge the status quo and it got deeper, right? And so I so I wanna because that gratitude thing is so powerful. I can't I can't. Emphasized enough that it folks would and you talk about it book. But I can't emphasize that for folks just practice this. This very simple technique of that. She's talking about three things. I'm grateful for the morning three things before at the end of the day. It will expand you if you will make it a habit, right? It will expand you grow you in ways. You have no idea. Okay. That was my free plex read the book. Okay there. It is. Great because I do the same thing when I'm when I'm running I can have one of two ways of looking at it, and it can be I think I'm gonna die. I think I'm gonna die. I think I'm gonna die. This stupid sport. This is why do people do this where those endorphins? And or what I try to do is say thank you God for my muscles in my tendons in my strong bones, and my health, and my wellness and start finding things about my physical body that oh my God. I'm so old. You know is one way to look at it. And another one is I'm so thankful that I can even do this. And it just changes your attitude about a workout doesn't make me good runner. But at least it makes me great friends fact that I'm doing. I love that. See I I tell people time I'm Jim rat still to this day. And I tell people I can't do what I did at twenty five. But I'll tell you what I'm willing to go up against most fifty five year olds that I can think of right. I'm real into. And matter of fact, there's a whole bunch of thirty five year olds to take on. Okay. Right. Because I just I feel good right? Yeah. After fight through injury. Like everybody else by okay. Let's talk about communicating clearly because you you say something about communication that. I went whole nobody ever says this, right? And that you say something to the effect. I'm going to paraphrase, this is the J as paraphrase. Okay. So so do with it what you will. But basically, you've got to be confident enough that what you say, you communicated, and stop regretting the way, you communicate. Not that you're not going to work on communicating. Nothing going to work on the art of listening. Not that you're not going to work all these things. But you've gotta stop feeling guilty about your communication is that is that is that a correct houses. Right. That's a self defeating behavior in anything is to and we tend to do it as humans look at what I did wrong. I could've said that better run-up, blah, blah, blah. But the point is the fact that you're stumbling through it the fact that you're you're willing to tell somebody you're nervous. You're you're going to the boss, you're going to your co worker, and you're saying, you know, I I it really bothers me when you stand at the door and talk to me when I have a project I had loved to talk to you later. But I can't do it. Now, then you can worry all day long where they were offended or or whatever. But the, but the idea is you opened up a line of communication and you stood up for yourself. And it's an important thing to do you do it as kindly as you can as clearly as you can. And if you feel like you you can do it better the next time than do it better. You have because I think what happens is we get. So we get so caught up into that. I say it, right, right? I mean, I get this all the time. Did I say it, right? And I'm like you can't worry about. Did. You say it, right? Yes. You can improve trust me. I'll never forget. The first time is learning talian, and as a second language, and I was learning to talian, and I was studying these CD's and one of them the CDs. I was studying from was this guy by the name Michelle Tomas who who is famous for educating people in foreign languages by CD. And he would say he would say about talion when you're learning talion. He would say you have to think of it as a tennis match, and I found this to be true of every piece of communication, whether it's business communication relationships or whatever he said just get the ball over the net. Don't worry about making the perfect shot. Don't worry about making it perfectly that you're talion. Not perfect. Just get the communication over the net. And I think sometimes we make communication so complicated. That we forget that you just gotta get whatever communicating over the net. Don't people will respond. However, they're gonna respond, right? And I really think that that's true. I really do. And I think that's where you're kinda headed with this. Because I think we get so worried. I don't know if I said it the right way. And I don't know. I don't know how they're going to take that. Move on self-doubt is gonna make you less powerful. You know, an and just what we're doing is. We we have to keep things being talked about or nothing changes. Nothing changes. And, you know, of course, be kind, of course, and respectful, of course. But you know, we do the best we can. And none of does everything perfectly except for you, Jay. But. Please do not give me that big not to give me that burden. Well, one of the things we talk about you talk about a couple of things that that you can do right now, by the way, if you want to do something right now and improve your communication Marianne talks about a few things in this book in this chapter. She said, look, you know. Improve your listening skills. Improve your I contact. All right. Take ownership of of your own feelings, right? And speak to be understood. Right. And how do we do that? Right. Well, Marianne uses the famous famous quote, right, right? Which is when we talk about speaking be understood. You mean from from Stephen Covey? Yeah. Seeks I understand. And then to be understood most people don't do that. It's so true. It's so true. They keep pounding and pounding and pounding thinking that harder. They pound somebody will then understand them. They don't realize that. No. They stopped listening long ago. So I wanna talk about this this last piece here, and this is forgive quickly because I think forgiveness is powerful. And by the way, forgiveness in the workplace is huge and people don't understand the connection between forgiveness in the workplace. But it's it's a big deal because we get resentful because of what somebody else did or something to promotion, you didn't get and or the boss overlook Jew or they chewed you out or something happened to work. Trust me, there's forgiveness issues all over the workplace. You just not thinking that way. And I took a quote from your book today, and I posted it up last last night. And I posted it up. I don't know where this came from my my wife is going to make me say, and I will say it because she did say it to me I and I and I quoted unknown, but she said, you should have quoted me. And I said know, but you didn't originate she said. Yeah. But I told you I okay some giving her credit right now. And that. Quotas unforgiveness like drinking poison and expecting the other person to die. Oh, yes. I saw that I'm faith. But right. Well, that comes from you. I sense right out of forgive quickly. And and I have to give credit to my wife for actually giving that to me. I. Forgiveness is hard. But it's a must help help us walk through it. And you know, it's a decision. It's what what it what I believe. What if we forgive? It's for our own benefit. It never says what you did to me is. Okay. Please. Do it. Again. It doesn't say maybe you don't even have it doesn't mean. You don't have to file a lawsuit. Maybe you do. But, but it lets go of the responsibility and the bitterness that poisons your system, it leaves the vengeance up to God, if you will or karma, and it doesn't mean you have to continue a relationship with that person. You might have to change relationship with that person in someway, it doesn't mean that you don't file a lawsuit. Because maybe maybe there is something that has to be paid for. For. But but the idea is do let go the stress and the burden of hatred, and then Bension's, and and that is what forgiveness is. And and yes, you you might have to do it over and over and over as you as you know, the resentment kind of creeps back up again. I thought I forgave that person. Well, if you thought you did than do it again, you know, you there's nothing there's nothing that says you can't remind yourself. Nope. I let that go. No. I let that go. If you have to say that a hundred times throughout your life or more. It's just a decision for you not necessarily for them. And you know, Marian you talk about this in the book when it comes to forgiveness effects are hormones holding onto unforgiveness affects us hormonally. And it it changes. I mean, the anger and the stress of these things changes are blood sugar levels that inhibits our immune systems it could cause stomach or heart issues as other health problems. You said that in the book, and I try to explain to people that your unforgiveness is doing nothing to help you. Whether it's your personal life or your business life. If you walk into work hateful of your fellow Hoy or hateful of your boss or you as a boss hate, right? It's never going. You're never going to be successful as you possibly could be as long as that forgiveness Zor. Absolutely. Absolutely. And people like you had mentioned earlier people think that's not an issue for the workplace. But it really really is. Because we were always irritated with the people, you know, in the next cubicle or things just happen. And they say stupid things, and we say stupid things, and we don't finish our projects on time. Sometimes and they don't finish it. We just have to allow people to be human. We still have the high expectations, of course, for productivity and so forth. And and there are times when. Forgiveness means, you know, hey, you know, I I know you didn't do that project again for the fifth time it may need they need to move on from their job. But but the point is you still don't hold that bitterness. You take action, but don't hold the bitterness. It's okay to fire somebody, but you don't fire them in hatred. You fire them because they're not being affected at their job. I want to read your quote at the end of this this chapter. He said if you find yourself stuck perhaps you stepped on a piece of unforgiveness all you need to do a scrape it off and get on your way, Marianne, CLYDE. I it's beautiful, by the way. That's absolutely beautiful. I love this Marianne. I want to say thank you, folks. By the way, we're we're only halfway through the book, and we didn't even do the first half Justice. Okay. I just wanted to tell you that everybody. Now, we have been on for over an hour and fifteen minutes, it feels like it's been fifteen seconds. Just to me at Marianne may feel like three hours. But it just it really does it. I tell this to every guest that have on you have no idea how fastest goes. And they keep telling me now it did relief. And because we're talking about what you're passionate about. And I love that. And that's awesome. So before we go and goes against thank you to inland. Business brokers and advisors for sponsoring the show. Oh, just go to n line dot com. E N N dot com. Our new spots sponsor, Linda crafted team realtors. Check them out at Linda craft dot com. L I N the CR A F T dot com. Marianna ask every guest on the show. The show's called a new direction to help people find a new direction in their life their career their business are all three if you could leave the listener with a new direction. What would that be? Start right now today looking for every possibility were you accept responsibility, for the way, you're thinking and the way you're reacting because your world is controlled by the way, you think. I think personal responsibility is my biggest message. Folks tech, personal responsibility. How better would your business? Be better. Would you be in your place of business? Right. You have a choice. You really do the books calls entity. It's available Amazon your favorite bookstore. Get it. Please get it's awesome able kindle version as well. Check it out then titties named the book how to eliminate chaos stress and discontent you workplace brought to you by Balboa. Stay with me Marianne if you will just a second. Thank you. I appreciate being here. And thank you laze Jomon. That's our show for today. Amazing was she was she not just amazing. I told you this is going to be one of those power pack shows where there's just not enough time in the day. I could I could talk all day and never go tired. And I just I adore what she does and door her, and she's awesome. So folks because the show I just wanna say this, look, be inspired. Because when you're at you spire other people that they in turn inspire others as well. Make this world mainly great place. So be inspired, folks. I will talk to you next week have a greatly. And the innocence Domic's. Got to cave. 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KAPO: Ein ntzliches Akronym fr Kantonspolizei und auch noch fr etwas Anderes

Feed My Sheep Christian Podcast

01:16 min | 2 weeks ago

KAPO: Ein ntzliches Akronym fr Kantonspolizei und auch noch fr etwas Anderes

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QUICK HIT | Players with 3 names vs players with nicknames

The Stinkin' Truth with Mark Schlereth

01:20 min | 3 months ago

QUICK HIT | Players with 3 names vs players with nicknames

"It's a stinking truth podcast creek hit. You have three names. You gotTa Work Your ass off. If you've got three names, you didn't get there on talent you got there. You, three names you've got beat up a lot as a kid because everybody hated your three names and then you know, and then eventually you know you got the NFL through hard work. Out talented people, people without the people out talented people is you know they get three initials Oh Bj I. You see what I'm saying, right? This such perfect sense guys that have that kind of talent there just based on they they get their on a nickname. T. O. Your. Right right I mean it's so chose Cinco OCHO CINCO. ME. Wow. Bom I think we figured something out I. Think we did like if you've got three names, you had a bust. Your ass. That's right. You weren't that good. You busted your I've surprised Clyde Edward hilarious where he's at you just got. A, but he probably is not the fastest of the biggest the strongest. True. But if he keeps doing what he's doing, you know he'll see Asia Ca. Yeah. Good Point. Yeah, we have. We've cracked the code nailed it cracked Dako- We America now if we could only figure. Out Vegas.

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Female Criminals Bites: Unhealthy Relationships

Female Criminals

26:15 min | 11 months ago

Female Criminals Bites: Unhealthy Relationships

"Welcome to podcast crime bays we wanted to give our listeners. Some additional content to help him dive even deeper into the true crime world every week. In addition to your normal female criminals episode were exploring the most fascinating. True crime themes cupboard across the podcast network. We've collected short clips from some of our most popular podcast originals to help us explore ideas like motivation method and madness and show how interconnected the true crime road really is. You can find these original episodes for free on spotify over every listen to podcasts. A list of episodes that we used. We'll be posted in the episode description today. We're discussing cases of unhealthy relationships and examining some of the most notorious couples throughout true crime. History we often think of love as something beautiful and selfless with the support of a carrying significant other many people grow within their partnerships becoming better people in the process. But what happens? When a relationship is obsessive or cruel how do these twisted partnerships affect our mindset or that of our spouse? What if you would literally kill for Love Today? We'll discuss the psychological dynamics of controlling relationship. The relationships of couples who commit crimes together and against each other cases of romantic partnerships evolving into criminal partners are very rare but in those cases that a couple does decide to commit crimes together. It's usually the result of a perfect storm of intimacy and narcissism according to forensic psychologist Catherine Rams lint. These couples tend to exhibit a narcissistic edge. This attribute allows them to create a delusion in which they reassure each other that the crimes they commit are not only acceptable but justified similarly the intimacy. The shared delusion inspires only deepens. The bond between partners Francis psychologist. Judy Ho explains that as this report grows it often leads to even more and more serious crimes but not all crime do start with two willing participants sometimes these partnerships are born of an uneven dynamic. In which one person holds significant control over the other according to FBI special agent Robert Hazelwood a more dominant partner makeover some more submissive partner into the murder and mayhem and more often than not those complained? Accomplices are women. Hazelwood explains that these female partners usually suffer from a history of sexual or physical trauma which is the dominant partner uses to their advantage. They will exploit the submissive partners vulnerabilities by first creating an environment of total support. Showering her with gifts and affection. Then once they've earned her trust and dedication these criminals will slowly push their significant others boundaries until. They've gained utter control over her life pulling her into their crimes. It's a gradual and insidious pattern that over time can dilute the submissive partner into believing that they want to engage in criminal activity in our clips. Today we'll walk through the many variations on this twisted dynamic and see how these relationships play out through a series of infamous crimes. We'll begin with a clip from podcast original crimes of passion covering the most well known cases of killer couples. Bonnie and Clyde Bonnie Parker and Clyde Barrow became household names in the nineteen thirties after committing robberies and murders across several states but before they were notorious criminals. Bonnie and Clyde were too young people struggling to reconcile their dreams of fame with their impoverished circumstances in depression era Texas both were desperate to break free of poverty and found opportunity in each other together. They created a world all their own believing that crime was not only necessary but that it was the best shot at improving their lives yet only a month after meeting. Clyde already. Seasonal criminal was taken to prison. Bonnie Parker and Clyde Barrow no time falling into their brief and infamous relationship after their meeting in January of nineteen thirty they took to each other with the immediacy of new love spending their first month in each other's company more often than not. They were two peas in a pod. Clyde came from poverty and dreamed of MAKING MUSIC. Bonnie came from poverty and dreamed of making movies. They shared a natural energy and charisma and value their individuality. They were both short. He foot six she four foot eleven and above all they both were for any positive change in their lives. Bonnie declined to meet her mother but Clyde perhaps ashamed of his campground home perhaps afraid of his mother's strict and terse judgment did not reciprocate. Emma Parker for her part did not like Clyde after all he was a son of a junk man the lowest rung on the Totem Pole of one of West Dallas poorest neighborhoods. Bonnie's father when he was alive was a bricklayer. A man of substance. She deserved similar type of gentlemen as suitor but something about Clyde whether it was his nice clothes or his charisma did soften Emma. In her own words he certainly was a likeable boy very handsome with his dark wavy here. Dancing Brown eyes and a dimple that popped out now and then when he smiled she even leant. Clyde stay at our house the February after they met she made up the couch for him to sleep on. He was in perfect view of the front door when a not came early the next morning but Klein didn't notice when it was opened and to Dallas police officers entered. The first thing they did was wake him up and taunt him about his brother. Saying if you've got any rabbit in you Yoron like buck clients mild and took his time getting up. He looked at the police officers with the ease of seeing an old friend in conked his mouth into a dimpled smirk. He rubbed his eyes and said Buddy might sure run if I could as calm as Clyde was. Bonnie was the complete opposite. She screamed and threw herself on. Clyde begging the officers to leave him. Seeing the love struck young woman. The pair of officers felt sympathy but said there was nothing they could do. Clyde was wanted in several counties for his part client remained collected. He smiled and held Bonnie's arms and told her it was all all right. He'd be out soon. They'd be together following that clip from crimes of passion. Bonnie helped Clyde escape from his Texas prison marking the beginning of their four year long criminal spree and romance every subsequent robbery and murder. The couple committed only seemed to amplify the intensity of their love for each other and intern. Each crime became bigger and more daring than the last in there is. They were rightfully earning the fame. They so desperately dreamed of but in reality. Bonnie and Clyde were feeding into an intense codependency that only spiraled them closer to disaster until nineteen thirty four when they were both killed an infamous shootout with police but while the dynamic of Bonnie and Clyde is defined by a mutual adoration and common goal not all criminal partnership to demonstrate such. Reciprocity OUR NEXT UNHEALTHY RELATIONSHIP EXAMINES. Eighteenth Century. French con artist Jan Lamont and tear affair with French noblemen. Cardinal Prince Louis. Their fiery romance was a means to an end. Jen was using raw for a grand any elaborate scheme. The following clip comes from an episode of podcast original Con Artists in which we cover ZANU notorious scamming career poor from birth. Jen used her dubious claim. Royal Blood to give herself and her husband noble titles but when the con woman grew on satisfied with pension she received from the royal crown. She struck up an affair with Moore along a diplomat in the French court in the hopes of increasing her allowance soon Shannon earned Rolando trust sympathy through a combination of sex and manipulation. Returning to Versailles meant that Jan got another bite at the apple with Prince Louis to row on and the second meeting proved far more fruitful when Jan met ro on to plead her case for larger pension he was moved by her story of her impoverished. Childhood and Forgotten Royal Lineage. Rohan advised her to arrange an audience with the Queen and to make her case directly. He apologized that he couldn't be more helpful. With this. Ju to his contentious relationship with Marie Antoinette but despite his lack of access to the Queen Ruan proceeded to make inquiries on Japan's behalf clearly Jan story had made an impact on the cardinal prince but unfortunately his efforts to loosen the purse strings were thwarted the treasury he found had been depleted by supporting the American Revolutionary War Jan continued working on row on wielding Avowal family name as a means of establishing a shed connection and generating trust and essential step in any successful con. They took pleasure in each other's company and as they grew closer. Their relationship shifted from officer petitioner to something much warmer just how warm. Their relationship became is a matter up for some interpretation. Most historians seemed to think it. Likely the jean-ann ruins relationship progressed to the connell. At least briefly row on with something of a womaniser and Jan was determined to use any tool at had disposal including body to achieve the fabulous lifestyle that she believed she deserved the letters that gene and row on exchanged grew increasingly fiery but as hot as their affair might have burned for unknown reasons. The fire quickly extinguished itself however the pair remained close after their physical relationship ran. Its course row on continued to assist Shannon. Anyway he could which included providing financial support in that clip from our CON artists episode on Jan Dilemma Jan managed to successfully leverage sex and sympathy to convince Prince Deborah Wa to subsidize the lavish lifestyle she desired but soon it wasn't enough so Jan devised an entirely new scheme that exploited romance vulnerability he'd previously committed a faux paw against Queen marie-antoinette and was desperate to regain her good graces. Jen persuaded were want to write letters to the queen apologizing for his past transgression when he received warm replies from Her Highness herself. He was elated but in reality the letters were forged. The Queen Astro Wah to bind absurdly expensive necklace on her behalf and roll-on eager to do anything to curry her favor happily obliged once she had the necklace. Jan broken apart selling the jewels. On the black market wind chance conned roles involvement were exposed. It would result in a trial. But what hell share in the French Revolution. Jan De la Maude and Princeton Ross. Affair demonstrates how a criminals desire to manipulate their partner out of my can lead to false intimacy but what happens when a victim must enter a relationship in order to save their own life coming up we cover the proprietary dynamic between Bandit Queen Pool and Davey and Vikram? Alah podcast listeners. We realized that there are a lot of podcast shows to choose from each day and sometimes not enough time to sort through them. All in our new feed park has daily we filter through your favorite podcast series to highlight the most timely and relevant episode premiering. Each day every Monday through Friday. Discover a new and captivating episode curated specifically for you. That's one new episode from our slate of content handpicked with you in mind. Time is precious. And we've got you covered. Follow podcast daily free on spotify or wherever. You get your podcasts. You can check out more podcast shows and a full library of episodes in spotify by searching for par cast in the spotify search bar or by going to spotify dot com slash. Podcast now back to the show so far we've seen criminal relationships propelled by intense mutual love and a shared delusion of grandeur as well as those that are one-sided schemes to exploit one partners vulnerabilities but sometimes relationships are born out of a need to survive in our next clip from park has original female criminals. We'll discuss pool and Davey an Indian outlaw from the nineteen eighties but before she was the bandit Queen Davey was a low caste woman who was married off as a child bride at the age of Eleven Davies Marriage was wrought with physical and sexual abuse at the hands of her much older husband but when she escaped at Age Twelve. Her life was hardly better. Her family claimed that by leaving her husband. She had shamed them and so when she was kidnapped by Band of outlaws led by Babu Gujjar. Davey was entirely alone. Left to the mercy of a man infamous for his brutality. After torturing Phoolan Babu Gujjar Yanked her from man to man and the gang asking who wanted a taste of the Sudreau woman you might recall that Sutra or Choudhry is the name given to the laborer cast in India as it had always been in her life. Phoolan's cast dictated even how she could be treated when kidnapped by bandits. Hope of escape was useless. She was considered a ruined woman. After all one who had lingered too long at the fringes of society that had rejected her. There's no indication that anyone in Phoolan's village tried to rescue her and yet she had grabbed the attention of an unlikely ally on her fourth day. With Babu Gujjar. A man entered the tent where she was tied. Put a gun to Gujjar head and shot him dead as he slept Guja was killed by his second in command. A man named Vikram who came from the same Mullah Boatman sub caste as Phoolan some believe that Vikram had admired Phoolan for years watching her from afar as he and Gujjar gang carried out crimes in the region around her village others simply believe he couldn't stand watching such a systematic humiliation of his cast. It wasn't the fact that Babu Gujjar had repeatedly raped Phoolan that had angered Vikram to kill him. It was that his leader had shown such disrespect to victims cast. Basu deb writer of the Book Transnational Feminist Perspectives on terror in literature and culture notes. That it's exactly this type of selective bias to protect his cast. Instead of caring about victims pain that allows violence against women to thrive even in the modern world yet. Victims murder of Gujjar represented a dangerous and unprecedented steps for bandits in India in a single act. A low caste men took control of an upper caste gang. There were going to be severe consequences for victims betrayal. After he killed Ghajar Vikram Phoolan. He declared that Phoolan would be his woman and remain unmolested by the rest of the gang. A paper thin promise that gave Phoolan two choices become someone sexual property inexperienced freedom in other areas of her life or defy him and suffer for the rest of her short painful existence. Phoolan was no fool. She agreed to become Vikram sexual partner years later when she was asked if she voluntarily stayed with Vikram she simply said that property never has a choice in private and to though she trusted however she said quote Vikram was the first man to treat me like a human being not a slave or a piece of flesh and quote with Vikram. Phoolan enjoyed a level of agency and freedom that she had never known as we learned in that clip from female criminals while Davy was finally liberated from Abu Jars incessant abuse. Her freedom was still extremely limited. She was left with little choice but to agree to be the crumbs woman. Davey had no idea what would become of her if she rejected him after all he had just murdered his leader right in front of her facing a decision between more brutal torture and becoming victims property. She chose survival but when victim died a few years later. Davey was finally broken from bonds. She went on to become an integral part of a new lovers. Bandit Gang and lead them into a vengeful massacre. In a rare case pool on Davy had considered the criminal life or possessive relationship had pulled her into and chosen to take control. Our final clip covers a relationship in which the submissive partner was not forced but rather slowly manipulated into becoming her lover's accomplice in this episode from podcast original serial killers. We focus on one half of the sunset strip killers. Carol Bundy by the time Bundy met her partner Dot Clark. She had already suffered three abusive marriages and was in a relationship with a man who used her for money. Clark however was charming and Carol fell for him quickly but because Carroll was so overwhelmed by Clark's affection she was blind to his relation. After years of verbal abuse and boundary pushing. His total control would eventually lead Carol to murder. She answered a personal ad and got involved with art pollinator. Studio Executive pollinger enjoyed Carols Company and appreciated her sense of humor but he grew concerned for her welfare when she told him about her relationship with Jack. Paul Andrew recognized that Jack was using and manipulating Carol and urged her to close the joint safety deposit box that she had opened with Jack. Poetry Drove Carol to the bank so she could close the box but when Carol opened the joint safety deposit box she discovered. Six thousand dollars was missing. Jack had stolen her savings alarmed. Pollinger convinced Carol to put the rest of your money in a separate checking account before Jack could steal it. Carol decided to confront Jack about the theft but jack swiftly manipulated the entire situation to his advantage instead of taking responsibility for stealing Carol's money. He accused her new boyfriend. Pollinger of being the real thief. Jack claimed that Paul Had Carol. Open a new checking account just so he could steal her money. This manipulation worked. Carol broke things off with pollen. Jer the only man in her life who seemed to have her best interests at Heart Carol told Paul Injure that she was ending things because he only saw the good in her and she feared how he would react if he saw the real her polymer realized that Carol was simply not psychologically ready to leave her abusive partners so the two went their separate ways by late. April of nineteen eighty. Carol was struggling to maintain her relationship with Clark. He was acting bored and indifferent around here. He was no longer interested in hearing about her day and verbally abused her. By calling her motormouth Clark was devaluing. Carol in order to solidify his control over her and with Carol. Now desperate to regain Clark's full attention. He decided that it was time to see how far he could push carols boundaries. One night in the spring of nineteen eighty. Clark told Carol that he wanted them to share their sexual fantasies. He explained he had read in a magazine article that this would make them grow closer together. Clark then described disturbing fantasies about bondage and torture watching carols reaction closely. He was pleased when she confessed that she also had dark sexual fantasies. She confided in Clark that she had experimented a little with dominance play but then Clark decided to push carols boundaries even further. He introduced murder into their sexual fantasies. He warned Carol that a woman who really loved him would be willing to kill for him when Carol showed. No revulsion at Clark's murderous fantasies. The aspiring serial killer knew he had found a potential partner in crime in that clip from our serial killers episode on the sunset strip killers. Carol's Lover Doug Clark revealed his dark fantasies about raping and murdering women but soon they would become a reality. Clark would go on to kill and rape. Six women and Carol helped him hide the bodies. Carol herself only directly responsible for one murder that of her former lover Jack Murray Carol confessed to Jack about what she and Clarke had done but then fearing he would tell the police. She shot and decapitated him. Ultimately Carol confessed to authorities about this murder as well as all of the crime she in Clark committed together in exchange for. Testimony in Clark's trial. Carol received twenty five years to life imprisonment instead of the death penalty. Carol Psychologists Dr Blake's Kurla believe she took part in the killings because of unresolved trauma. She carried from her abusive father. Skirl Explains Carol acted out the sexual abuse. She suffered in the form of murder. The unhealthy relationships we discussed in today's clips range their intent and vary in their crimes from the passionate mutual delusions of Bonnie Parker and Clyde Barrow to Doug Clark's insidious manipulation of Carol Bundy. In a rare instance con Woman Gender Lamont lead a dominant dynamic with her male lover. That served to line her pockets. Meanwhile pool on Davy had no power whatsoever as she lived turn life as Dick Crumbs sexual possession but every clip has demonstrated the dark side of love and romance. What's glorified in the media? As a kind of cure all for the ills of the world is capable of being corrupted whether by force deception manipulation or delusion. We've seen the many forms that twisted love can take. Thanks for tuning into Parkas crime fights. We hope you enjoyed this episode on unhealthy relationships. We'll be back next week with a brand new episode on suspicious celebrity deaths. Why are we so intrigued? When a celebrity dies and what happens when another celebrity is accused of playing a part in their death. If you'd like to listen to the episodes we discussed today in full simply search for a podcast original shows crimes of Passion con-artists serial killers bore female criminals on spotify. Spotify already. Have all your favorite music but now spotify making it easy for you to enjoy all of your favorite podcast originals for free from your phone desktop or smart speaker and don't forget to follow us on facebook and Instagram at podcast and twitter at podcast network. I'll see you next time.

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296: Clyde Horner, Vistage Chair

The No B******t Marketing Podcast

29:18 min | 1 year ago

296: Clyde Horner, Vistage Chair

"Burn. Bul shirts. It's the no BS marketing show. I'm Dave mastered. CO mass Aleutians the world's only noble should marketing firm today. We have a special guest CLYDE Horner of vista chair from Las Vegas. He works with groups of chief executives entrepreneurs and small business owners to help them on leadership structure financial analysis, basically to help them grow to three x ten x. He's going to bring some insights us about how he helps other leaders and what's happened throughout his career. Clyde, welcome to the show. Thanks, Dave ready to be here. Thanks for including me. Sure. You and I had the chance to meet through vista Jin. The loyal Nobis listeners know that I'm all in on vestige. It's helped me a lot with personal professional growth. And then I became vistas workshop speaker about three and a half years ago, get the chance to across the country and. Meet talented leaders and talented visted chairs like yourself. That's how he had the chance to meet you. Brought me the confidence to bring the Nobis platform to your groups. You know, that I mentioned to the first question is always the most difficult in hung cheek. It's actually the easiest question because it's to ask the guests to tell us about their career path their journey. Well, that's that's a big question. And I felt a lot about that over the last few years. My career has been when looking back one miracle after another I was raised by small family in west Texas who had a scarcity mentality and. I didn't know what in the world. I wanted to do was an athlete, and that's about all I did in high school other than the one. Probably biggest thing. I did was started dating my future wife when we were in sophomores in has school. And that's really probably all I hid in mind. I didn't particularly care about grades. I'd wouldn't thinking about the future is all sports and my future wife in somehow, maybe because of my mother working part time, I figured out being an accountant or CPA might be a good idea. My parents had never been to college. So I was going to be the first one and somehow which is probably miracle. I found my way to college and back in those days we had. IBM punchcards to in role and find classes in about halfway through my first semester of enrolling not knowing when the world is gonna do what I was going to take. I lost all my punch-card and right in the middle of registering in the big room. And I was panic stricken and members though was while I can go back to west Texas in if nothing else happened. I can. I can start over again. And who knows what I can do. So with luck I found the cards and got registered and went on my way and became a CPA and. That was a real trip and today, I would suggest Emma recovering CPA because I have no interest in any of that. I was good at it at pass the CPA exam and something happened along the way, I think it was the melanoma had removed in nineteen eighty six 'cause made a realized that there were more things in life than debits and credits, and right and wrong in keeping secrets and catching people doing bad Steph, and I headed off in a totally different direction. And the interesting thing, although I was successful as what I was doing and never saw myself as a leader. Oh, when I was growing up JFK was the leader Martin Luther King was later, and I didn't see myself in that same position. And so it worked hard CRA climbed a bunch of ladders. God my found my way another miracle from Houston after graduating at the university of Texas in Austin, I found that way to Las Vegas because or no guy by the name of Howard Hughes. He bought the desert in in Las Vegas in October of nineteen sixty seven. And I saw that possibility in the Houston office because Hughes to accompany was one of our main audit clients in Houston office, and they wanted somebody from Houston office to come to Las Vegas to do the acquisition audit for the desert in in Iran around the office with my hand in the air, making his much noise as I could and got chosen in four of his came to Las Vegas and to oversee never went home. I never wore head any interest in going back to Houston is to ought to humid too crowded too, rainy, and Las Vegas was the climate that I've been raised in while I was going to high school, and I was right where I wanted to be. And so I continued with the for for about seven years and then became the CFO at the dunes. And we were low hold on a second. So so CLYDE, you get there in nineteen sixty seven did you say? Salak you've seen you've seen it from the infancy than to solid growth to the explosion that it is now in the implosion and the growth again when I came here when came canine, my wife, and I are fourteen month old son came to Las Vegas and early sixty eight actually when we moved Las Vegas was bigger has been around as nickel you could drive across town in nothing flat. And you could most Aspen most of my time at the desert inn, and the sands you may remember the sands was known for Sammy Davis and. Dean Martin and red Skelton. You could walk around the lobby in the casino in see those people just standing around talking or playing twenty one or you actually have spoken or shook the hands of Sinatra Sammy of my wife's claim to fame his yes. Seeing those people and a missing the name. I wanna tell you about it. Yeah. Lot. How health think of demanded I'll tell you. But it's it was just unbelievable compared to the way it is today, so giant, and you never see any celebrities because they're probably right the app about but back then it was nothing to see them in the coffee shop or standing around the front desk of the hotel. And it was just unbelievable and is so much fun for twenty four year old at that time, and I had a chance to. Leave the CPA for in nineteen seventy three and become the CFO at the dunes because dunes was a client by that time. And I was twenty nine years old. And I thought that was a Heckman opportunity and we were in trouble with the dunes was in trouble with everybody. SEC VR ESE FBI strikeforce of got five hundred pages of testimony at the SEC. I testified in grand jury in. Springfield, Massachusetts in Las Vegas and after three and a half years of being an employee in that situation. I realized I was in the wrong place on price, and I went to under the former client of our for in Las Vegas, the Cashman organization who owned the Caterpillar dealership and the Cadillac dealership the candle. Caterpillar dealership was the was the entire state of Nevada and the Cadillac date or ship was for the entire city of Las Vegas, mental the place where I realized how important having monopoly is there were no of the Cadillac dealership. No other heavy equipment dealerships in the state, and he was a fun place to learn, and I stayed there for the next twenty one years and became a uh. This year in two thousand and one and I've been doing this for nineteen years, and it's been a real blast. It'll earning experience. That's what this did. You is not a it's not a. Social organization, it's not a networking group. And is not a political organizations all about learning. And that's what I am. I think I never really had any idea when I was an ask alert college what I really wanted Elton liberty. I think always wanted to compete at learn. And that's where I am. And I learned to be a leader of learned that I was a leader along. The why CLYDE CLYDE Horner vista chair for the past nineteen twenty years just talking about his career path, CLYDE, you said you're a leader you've shown that in the meetings that I've been in with your groups talk to me about what you see has been the tenets of your leadership style. What were some of the things that you hold over the years and realized time and again, this is working for me? This is the CLYDE Horner leader. Ship style will. Tell you in start out that way, the family that I was born into raised by were serious introvert, and I became that's that's all I need. My parents didn't have become relations. We didn't talk about things that were at any depth we superficial. And so therefore, amac communication ability wasn't the greatest in world. And I felt that I was safest when I was quiet. I think I was raised. Ryan terminated appearance to teach me that I was to be seen not heard. And so I didn't tell anybody anything an ask anybody thing. And I figured out. I could I could figure out what the right thing to do was. By myself in by the time, I figured it out. I would blurt it out and scare me death. And. Not until in the nineties. Did I realize what was going on with may? And that's when I started shifting and becoming more. I don't wanna say extroverted, but more communicative and being more open and candid and saying what I was thinking whether than just being quiet. I learned a long way that my comfort zone was behind the curtains pulling all the ropes and levers not being on stage had no interest in being stage. I leave behind rather than lead from out front. That's where my comfort zone. What's interesting that you point out, CLYDE that you lead from the back, and you've been able to successfully do that earlier. You said you weren't matching up with some of the leadership heroes of that time, John Kennedy, Martin Luther King and others talk a little bit more about. That because there's always been this myth of the charismatic leader. And there are certainly some great charismatic leaders. But there are an awful lot of leaders that don't lead with the charisma they lead from behind don't after as much as means they lead more in a quiet manner talk a little bit about how that may be initially. How back a little people started open their eyes and realizing because I think that sometimes what happens at charismatic leader jumps out of people notice the more quickly. But that doesn't mean they're getting anything done more than someone else. I think that the charismatic comment is the is the word then I would use JFK and Martin Luther King doing that. And a never saw myself in that position. Because probably because if fear could be look bad or be wrong made fun of in so long memo's, comfortable place was to listen to the CEO of the company has working for and figure out how to get everything done, and I could do that behind the scenes at an had to be center stage. And that's the way it worked in that was comfort zone. And that's the way I was successful being visage leadership ro it's a little different. I still have to be out on center stage, leaving groups of see most of whom are. Big drivers and extroverted and the ops. So what are learn as I could lead by asking valuable questions in helping them. Discover things rather than in medic and tilling him what to do. So that's that's the primary way. I lead as days is through questions as they Socratic leadership thing that we've learned over. You may have heard I think Gandhi led from behind to. I don't think he was big charismatic leader. Although I could be wrong about that make sense as you said we've learned over the years that you could have that Socratic leadership style and make a big impact this show is about leadership and communication, but it's also the Nobis show in what we like to help our loyal. Nope. Yeses with his giving examples of when someone is vulnerable, and they talk about when they were the BS serve when maybe their leadership wasn't what it needs to be. They were the tough boss difficult employees, or maybe their communication was a fact of as could have been because of something they were doing from a style or delivery standpoint, what is a time when you weren't the best leader or communicator. What did you learn from it that can help our audience? It's an interesting question because for the most part of until I started maybe in the nineties. I was always difficulty Moi because I didn't I didn't talk anybody. In fact, in the nannies when I really started learning about feedback. I asked my employees what they would what they notice I could change the most. And I said, you really need to start speaking to people, and that was really a shocker for me because I thought I was and argued with them long on time, and they soon convincing convince a that I didn't I didn't speak to any money. So I decided one day I'm going walk out all speak to everybody. Call them by their first name, if I know that and if they've got a assured on or dress own that has their name us that night and store I started doing that. And I noticed or came where to me that peop-. These people are really becoming friendly. And I thought they were changing and the big thing was I realized soon. Soon that I was the one that change or is in the process of changing. So I could have always communicated better. I didn't know how to do it. I was afraid to do it. And these days in vista JR. Groups I see people exactly in the same situation in one question. I'd like to ask. You members is who taught you to hell who taught you how to have a valuable conversation in nineteen years. I've never had anybody really answer that question. Most of the time they just sit and look at made like while nobody and and the nice, well, maybe my parents did in said, we'll taught them, and they say probably their parents to the bottom line of that is I think most of as human beings are never taught how to have a valuable conversation. We don't have a started. We don't know how to navigate through the middle of it when we get in good greeting arguments and blaming and disagreeing, and we don't have to get out of it. And we most of us don't know how to end. A conversation with new agreements that can be tested along the way. So therefore reader avoid conversations. Are we create an argument? And that's that's what happened in for most of my life doing until I started learning mini world, out wise and seeing hell I could change talk about the other side talk about some of your biggest communication success is what are things that you used over the years again. And again may was the cadence or frequency of how you communicate. Maybe it was the format of his assertain style of meeting. What were the things you talked about the walking around at that one job? How changed the game for you just by walking around and talking to people couple of days a week. What are your most successful communication approaches? In the fist. Arena. I've i've. I've come to know several people that have a conversation model Susan Scott in two thousand or so wrote a book called fierce conversations that helped me develop model of a conversation. Hound started. How to end it and Edgar Papke who is one of my closest friends who's of issued speaker has a conversation model also that I'm really encouraging members to use an myself, and it's a real challenge because I have to stay with the model, and it's very easy to get away from it. It starts with an intention statement in. That's the intentions is. Why are we sitting here or standing here talking to each other most of the time when we started conversation, we go busting into somebody's officer her home with our spouse and say, we got a. Problem. We got to sit down and talk about this right now scarce the person death walls. Go up big guns come out, and we don't talk about anything and Edgar has helped me realize that every conversation or import Enervate conversation needs to start off with an intention statement. Which is a relationship statement about I'd like to spend the next thirty minutes having converse compensation with you. So when we leave a we you, and I are poised our customers or clients can function at the highest level. Possible or the high level cleave ever functioned before? And just give permission. Can we do that? And most people say, yes. And then I start off with my view of the world or whatever's going on and share my concerns and fears, and then I asked the person sitting across from me to do this. A and I don't interrupt him. I asked him not interrupt me. Then we can after we tell each other what's really going on. And how we see things we can come to some shared understandings and just one or two. And then after we do that we can come up with one or two solutions and then after that become up with. Who's going to do what the commitments from myself and the commitment from the other person? And finally, we agree to come back next week or two weeks from now and test our new agreements are and I've found that that's the only way to have conversations because otherwise I'm just gonna cause an argument I'm gonna blame the other person, I'm gonna blame somebody. And then we're going to run out of time. We're gonna say oh Megan is I didn't realize it was so late. I've got another meeting and we jump up and run away. And we don't know what we talked about it what we agree to. So that's what I've learned that I've got then that's not that's the way not that. We add grew up and learned I I I was good at Creedon an argument and a disc- destructive conversation rather than a valuable one and. That's what I've been really encouraging this members and everybody I know over the last five six ten years, and it's really hour for most of us to do. I've got to have a picture. I have to have a picture of it in front of me. Otherwise, I can fall for any kind of distraction how long ago did you start working to do this new way of conversing and using this system will I I started in laissez two thousand one when I became chair. That's when I discovered Susan Scott's book fierce conversations was I get it. No. Because it didn't. It's a practice. It's ju-. I've just got a practice and I don't like to practice. I just like to tell people what to do rather than get their view and converse about shared understandings. And then I met another fellow along the way. Way that owned a company, but name of conversant and started learning more from him about my what a conversation was really about. And then lately, I've latched onto it capacities teaching that I just went over with you. So it's been it's been a long journey of learning how to do this. And I'm still not there. But you've seen you've seen the progress. And the impact I think the biggest thing is you've made a intentional investment of time to make sure conversations are two way and engaging more open more vulnerable, and let's argumentative. Yeah. It's it's a learning in elected word you used intentional. It's got to be intentional. It's not haphazard. It's not winging it. Many times I really encourage people to write L the intention statement in advance right out, what my view is in one that fears are IMO Matt concerns are in what's getting in my way, I've really got to be intentional and the other thing. That's I think is on target. Here is. Ahead. Another Mr Speaker by the name, Bala ching. His last name is to for me to pronounce India. He talks about three levels of integrity, the lowest level, he talks about is telling the truth and most of us. I guess I thought that's what integrity is about the second level up. The ladder is doing what I say. I'm gonna do, and I could understand that and the highest level of integrity. Highs rung on the integrity ladder is saying what I'm thinking. And that was the hardest thing for me to learn in saying when I'm thinking is not a tag is not a personal attack of you or anybody. It's not telling people has stupid. They are or have overweight. They are this editor. It's what I am. Thinking about ideology strategy direction colder, and that we can do when we start off with a right Reggie segment or the intention statement. So that's that's the progress. And I had no clue that for most of my life. Powerful conversations. Powerful approach. I love the three levels of integrity in does sound when I hear you like, whoa. The lowest levels telling the truth. I know some people that struggle with that than the second level doing what I say, I'm gonna do. I know a lot of people struggle with that including myself from time to time and the third level saying what I'm thinking, but in a care from manner as opposed to confrontational. I like it, absolutely. It your Pam key. I spent several days with over the last three months, and he says something that really is interesting. I don't have to prove it. He said research shows that meeting things why natty that's Angie wrote times a day. And I don't know whether that's perfectly true or not. And I think it may be it. It's not that we intentionally why. But we li- bow mission we'd alive by withholding and we'd live because we're spending our beliefs. Our thoughts rather than facts, and that really gets in the way of progress. More so today than ever before. Yeah. I guess now that idea that the thing that I've been talking to many associates lightly, and my wife is today when turn on the TV or the internet or the telephone or my phone the chances of somebody on the other end telling me truth is very low. They are telling me their beliefs or their agenda, and it's it's a scary time for knowing the truth. Agreed. That was CLYDE Horner vista chair from Las Vegas with great insights on leadership and communication here on the Nobis marketing show, remember sign up for your weekly Nobis marketing, fix at mass solutions dot biz and ask yourself. What's the big idea and build your story around the answer? It's all about boats solutions, no BS.

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