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06:26 min | 11 months ago

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"I gotta think that the memories of the people that you interviewed were both nostalgically gauzy and positive but perhaps also laden with some wistfulness two. I'm guessing right teams going belly up and and that kind of stuff. I curious to sort of the demeanor of the the first person interviews that you did with people who were there or remember elements being there. Would you say it was mostly though happily style or where. There's some real sort of negative pieces to to to those memories honestly What i found amazing about this was Almost everyone i talked to whether it was ray hudson or rodney marsh or clive toy or or Al miller everyone says it was the best time of their lives and that was just a common a common theme throughout the movie. Yeah difficult there were. There were hard times Very difficult times. The league almost went under completely. And the early early seventies late sixties early seventies And it was challenging. But ev everyone interview but said it was. It was the best time of my life the most exciting time in. Us soccer history. The golden era of soccer Those pele years beckenbauer and carlos barredo. I mean just. Yeah so i honestly can't cannot say there was any negative negative Energy at all with these interviews. Why do you think that is because of their. Because of their relative age at the time because they were so unknown they knew what they were coming. Nominee wasn't nearly as exciting as this completely on your a tory row. You know i think so. Yeah i think so. And and they were so appreciated here as well The fans loves them It there was a care even though they were serious about what they were doing there. Was this kind of care free Fly by the seat of your pants demeanor demeanor about the league. It was new. It was exciting They enjoyed themselves on and off the field. So i think there there was a lot of things but they love being in america for these four especially with the foreign guys for that for the americans young americans that i talked to or not young now but were the time Playing with and against these world stars. I mean they. They couldn't have imagined that in their lifetime so it yes it was New on so many levels for for everyone very exciting as as you put this documentary together. I'm i'm sure you're aware of the Once in a lifetime documentary about the cosmos beckenham. Six right. how do you using pele right as sort of a line of demarcation which which is natural and and makes a ton of sense how do you prevent yourself from. Making the cosmo's which for better for worse were gigantic part of the story. How do you. How do you steer away from sort of paralleling that kind of story and door yet keeping them sort of in the mix as well without sort of going too far right because argue arguably illeg league was much more than just the cosmo's but a lot of the i don't know i think a lot of the discussion and the the The the memories and whatever media there is out there around. This tends to always center around this glamour club as kind of like all and be all and it certainly wasn't that right and i think there's been some things having talked to some of the the the players that were around that time that played for the cosmo's against the cosmos. I think there were some things that were slightly leagues agitated as well You know this this notion that they were always out you know partying all the time. It's studio fifty four. Did they go to studio fifty four. Absolutely but they weren't. It wasn't something they were doing like all the time right. It's studio fifty. Four things like that but Yeah i wasn't doing every game. Henry kissinger wasn't always in the stands at exactly exactly it. Would it was something They were with atlantic records and it was. It was for pr purposes. But it wasn't all the time you know by any stretch of imagination So that that was interesting to to to hear that I interview werner roth and we talked about that quite a bit as well but i will say that The yeah the cosmo's were the team. I mean there's no question about it. They would be team and they were at certain points especially Sort of the second part of this film. They were an anchor. They they were an important part of the story. They anchored the story and then You know you you go up. And you talk to other other players and coaches at the time and and their experiences And but at the at the end of the day it it kind of comes back to the cosmos right So i i don't want to give too much away i feel like i'm kind of I'm not. I'm saying a lot without saying that i. I don't want to give too much away. How would you. How would you again through your lens. Literally and figuratively. How how would you describe it. Maybe maybe memories from your from your from your father's well how would you characterize the quality of play relative to where a lot of these quote unquote foreign players. Were coming from. Because there's a lot debate as to whether it was just a you know. Retirement league or people extra paycheck and that kind of stuff. But you know. We're talking about frankly. Some of the best players in the world regardless of where they were in their careers granted. The fields were not necessarily the best for playing soccer but the quality of play. I mean you know. We're talking about.

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08:09 min | 11 months ago

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"The right place hopefully it's good seats. Still available yes. It is the curious little podcast very curious. Extremely curious perhaps too much so that has devoted to what used to be in professional sports. It's our little genre of intrigue that we like to keep knocking on each and every week despite all the obstacles against it and we thank you for finding us and downloading us and putting us in your ear buds. Hopefully some fun and excitement for you this week. We go back as you can tell by their clip into arguably the thing that kinda got me going on this little jag of almost five years. It's the north american soccer league. Yes and finally. My goodness finally a feature length documentary devoted to this this thing this curiosity this white hot comet if you will of soccer goodness that existed in the united states and canada otherwise known as north america for from the tributaries right from nineteen sixty seven all the way through a whimpering and in nineteen eighty-four after that season and The north american soccer league was An enigma it was fascinating. It was the best of times in the worst of times Just so many different sort of things wrapped up in it. Of course you know about the cosmos certainly remember it. Certainly some of the teams in the various personalities the rowdies in the strikers and the vancouver whitecaps and the seattle sounders and the the earthquakes of san jose. And you know those those names that live on today in the cascadia the Cascadia region there the portland timbers etc Those memories are are very very long lasting and we are honored to have the filmmaker behind the brand new spanking brand new documentary called big time. Soccer the remarkable rise and fall of the nsl. Her name is rachel violet. And if that last name is familiar to you well perhaps especially. If you're a soccer fan you will know. her famous. father was dennis file. It who was a a legend In at manchester united for many many years a gold scoring machine a survivor of the tragic munich air disaster. A playing with the busby babes of the fifties a little bit at stoke city and then coming over the united states Coming out of retirement actually playing for the pre nsl than nps psl tributary known as the boss. Excuse me boston baltimore bays they champions of that six that original or originator league as a player and came back a number of years later to be a along time coach. The washington diplomats the new england team in the jacksonville. Tea men and it's around those years that that rachel was growing up and it was perhaps At least for jealous for me being able to kinda just run around like literally on the sidelines and be on the bench during games and stuff and she didn't know any better. Frankly just hang around and watch the watch the players and kind of if you will grow up in this This this seemingly foreign sport of soccer trying to transplant itself into the united states sports vernacular and this This film is is long overdue and as you could probably tell perhaps if you're soccer aficionado probably recognize some of those voices that you heard in that opening clip that That trailer and some of them by the way are Former guests of ours. Clive toys in there l. miller's in there but folks cairo junior are in this movie Werner roth is in. This movie are old pal bobby. Smith is interviewed in this and just on and on and on some great Names of the past and still present. Frankly who were part of this arguably magical time known as the north american soccer. We've we've talked about it on a number of different episodes either with first person folk who were there and part of the mix of others who have either done books or tertiary Recollections of such but thank goodness finally Rachel has Put all the pieces together to create this a highly anticipated documentary and depending on when you're listening to this show. We are dropping this. I think on october the eleventh. And if you are listening to this in real time or pretty close to real time you still may have a chance to see this at its ostensibly world premiere. Now this it premiered. Fair disclosure did premier at the national soccer hall of fame about a week or two ago sort of part of a private Sort of celebratory event around a hall of fame activities. But the sort of i guess official world debut. I will be happening in new york on wednesday october the thirteenth. That's two days from when we drop this episode as part of the kicking in screening festival in new york city on wednesday. October the thirty at seven. Pm at a place called upper ninety in astoria queens and if you go to kicking and screening dot com screening as as a movie screening kicking screening dot com. You can find out all the information and see. If there's any way you can somehow buy a ticket and sneak yourself into the the debut and i know that rachel will be joined by a number of members of the soccer community and more than a few who were interviewed for this film. And i think it'll be a little discussion after it as well but look this is a story about a A league that You know forty years ago now left. It's mark and continues frankly to leave. It's mark which is sort of theme of the film And we've again. We've discussed this with some of our friends About this The impact of this league. it it it. It really still has reverberations. That lasts all the way through. Mls and this the plethora of of of soccer in this country that we're able to To enjoy on television from all over the planet now and arguably the A lot of the stability and the intrigue and the interest and the widening interests still of the sport of soccer can be attributed to the roots laid by this crazy thing known as the nfl. And that's our conversation. This week with the Or or or if you will the creator of this documentary Again it's called big time soccer and our guest is rachel violent. We will get to that conversation in just a few moments time. This is intriguing. Stuff some fun little Curiosities about the making of the film a little bit about being the daughter of a famous Soccer player who kind of chucked it all moved to the united states and health build and route The sport and i think you're gonna enjoy it tremendously and it's coming up in a moment and maybe moment half's time before we get there. Let's talk about our sponsor. Oh the weak and of course we always try to keep it thematically related to the proceedings For our conversations and this week there's no better Touting.

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13:07 min | 2 years ago

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"It almost feels like you. And this team peaked. Almost at the exact time that the league itself frankly peaked and maybe even just a tad bit after it was starting to peak right and you know I think some of those. You're talking about sort of the the decline of the outdoor game some of the some of the players and the real the the money issues and all that kind of stuff some of those are I guess Chicago centric but I think a lot of frankly was really the the league structure that you were part of an end the decline of that various reasons for that but I guess how much would you describe. Sort of the the daily monitor the the sort of the slide down from the peak if you will on the team and the city and the situation of Chicago versus that of the League and pro soccer itself. It sounds to me like you may be being a little overly harsh on your own the circumstances then or was it equal. Frankly you know what I think Just like in politics. I think you have to show that you're willing to improve the moment you start cutting back on players and stuff fans will pick up on it and they you know they will send you will see and then pretty soon you just a little bit more negatively then you month and that's that's You know go out to whole league then you have teams folding in the League. Then you have The media thing but when you're gonNA play indoors and you have outdoor fans that don't want to go indoors then you make your move to an indoor facility on the second floor. Didn't have any bathrooms and then you have to walk all the way down to the bottom to To go to a bathroom and stuff like that. You don't have to act that you had at the Chicago Stadium I remember Arthur words original owner of the Blackhawks they would. We'll him in in this wheelchair. And he wants he would watch our games and I'm thinking you know I didn't know what the time he you know his size side as we get older you know and everything starts to feel a little bit. He couldn't see the puck anymore. Put the soccer balls so much bigger so if for him. It was ice hockey but a soccer ball and I said if we can convince people that come and watch you know we can convince anybody to come and watch described to me. Then I wanNA bring this up because we could go on for hours but I I wanna get a sense of so if you could maybe juxtaposes the nineteen eighty-four championship season outdoors from that of of eighty-one just three years earlier. Because I I'm sure people remember not. Maybe people remember Chicago sting with the last official champions of the North American Soccer League three years afterwards in one thousand nine hundred but the circumstances and the feeling I'm guessing was very very different and while while the the rumors about the league sort of making it and the idea of going fulltime indoors as that was gaining ascension was certainly in the air. I don't think I don't think. Did you recognize frankly? Did you know that kind of that? At the end of the eighty four season that it was basically going to be done despite winning or losing. Yeah I know a again of toys by the quality of players you know. Everything was shrinking. Everything was you know you didn't have the big names. And the media media the first ones that pickup you know so and so's playing and that guy's playing and discuss not playing you know for me. That was the hardest. You're actually to coach the Chicago team. I had to make a trade by trading Ricardo alarm. So my big Argentinian. Backup for Callahan's commits and Charlie Baker's the by far the most popular American player I we were the five hundred team when I traded them to San Jose and I got many robots who I liked ready to use before when he played in Tampa Bay and you know just a quality player and the defender Hayden Night Basically both of them were sitting basically on the Pension San Jose. Not playing at all. And now here. I'm trading a starter Charlie Baker's and Played at play quite a bit off the bench because Alonzo for these players. The booze that I got The next few games even though we kept winning and winning you know and you know made it to the championship game and winning the champions and then I was a good coach again. You know but I knew the emphasis Pretty much coming. So I mean to your credit your over achieving with with decline with situations maybe beyond your control in terms of payroll and and and and the talent that you were you had to kind of you know it. Sounds like you were not only making do but but Over achieving with what you had left and to your credit you know sticking around and making it happened in that three game series against Toronto to win the championship again. What to me? If I look back now that was probably the hardest coaching job And Maybe the best coaching job That I had to do you know getting relying more on the American players then of the older European Playoffs the Mug Simon Tins from University of Indiana. The team Who you know who came in and scored Off The bench Ghetto if you really important goals for us and I think the human team that would you know? I did put a good team together but I didn't have to adjust the players a lot if you understand what I'm saying To make them click trying to fit in. But the eighty four team They have to be a lot of adjustments. So you know a lot more. Coaching a lot. More you know. And Luckily everything out had a feel beating Toronto who is being managed and overseen by Clive Toy. Ironically I knew what kind of person he was. He I have no respect for people like that. He only birth himself You know it was all about him even when we went that trip backtracking a little bit when we went to Europe played three games in Stockholm And Mammal Sweden in Holland in Germany. I I got a phone call from him even though he was not the president anymore And Alaskan butts in behind the Middle East and my assistant coach and I had to play because we had injuries that we couldn't even feel the full teams so both of us played then play against the national team from I get a phone call from him and these You know I got another game scheduled and I said we're not playing anymore games. What do you mean? What do you mean you know? Start screaming on the phone. I said you can scream. All you would not paying any more games. You know. I'M GONNA call Easter. I see you can call can call whoever you mccaw. We're not painted anymore games. You know and basically I get a phone call five minutes later from these storing. I you know. Are you sure you know we're going to get you know ten thousand? I don't know but the number was ten thousand like fifteen thousand dollars. It was peanuts and I said no he would not play any more games. The team is in kidding. We have enough injury so Eddie and You know I'm not looking for a position and the team is player. So we're not gonNA play anymore. Game he said. Okay kid if that's how you feel you know then it's okay. And that's respect for Clive Tori. He didn't goodbye. Anybody getting me back. So Cuban cigars. I'm fine you know Do this or do that I just wonder how much money that guy actually made outside of soccer. But I've read is that it didn't seem like he was a gracious loser when the eighty four championship was determined. Either no We had talked report by going into the locker room. The Canadian Mounted Police. They basically have to protect us. Getting at the time and You know what I think. Knowledgeable all ways prevail in in instead of and. I don't know the you probably know better than I do too He didn't have a happy ending in Toronto. Either when he was hired as a president. That didn't last too long either. Well there's an article I think was the Ottawa Citizen newspaper at the time. Basically call the sting unworthy champions And cheats and that kind of stuff. So it's clear that the animosity was was there Perhaps from some of the things you were talking about earlier but during the sting days and stuff but I think too is also acrimonious for just just everybody involved in the League time because survival was absolutely questioned and and obviously it. It wound up being the last year and last championship of the League and it seems like the world was kind of moving or becoming accustomed to the idea that the only future that this sport had in early to mid nineteen eighties. Actually mid-nineteen eighties was indoor. And and you guys were doing you. Guys are more than holding your own indoors. But how do you feel about that? Sort of transition obviously a crushing enough that the outdoor game essentially dies as does and for a long period of time thereafter sadly. But this indoor. I mean you know you were talking about how great players make graydon good attendance and stuff. How much conviction did you have that that that was going to be the future of this game? And and did you think indoor was as good a pursuit as the outdoor game. I what was your feelings about all that. You know. You really didn't have choice. I mean you know if I would have said I mean I coach both indoors and outdoors In New York professor Let's say he only coach outdoor. They had an indoor coach. You know the pressure I mean I mean Sunday. You are coaching twofold seasons in one season and Also the pressure of the players the injury factor. We lost the indoor championship if you remember Admit and beat us in admitting find we come back even the regular game in Chicago. You wait a half an hour. Then they play a thirty minute mini game now and we have nineteen thousand people at the stadium. You know what find that played a week and you know having played next Saturday. You know and we would have fun. I'm totally You know a totally sure because someone singer powder was injured. And you know you go out with the true Only to justify that We don't want them to say no hotel another four or five days. But you know what's cool We've undo all leak Title you know my Wait a week. Let the fans get all excited about the upcoming game a week from then and you know we would have had nineteen thousand at the stadium again. Yeah and this and this is and I don't want to sort of Belabor it but this is the very interesting sort of period of time when the. Nfl had woken up to the idea. This is circa one thousand nine hundred eighty one or so that the game actually could be thing. This is the arrival of the major indoor soccer league. We've talked about this with temper on a previous episode you know and the NFL. Having kind of started the indoor thing even back in the early seventies right but not really doing much with it. You're describing..

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15:08 min | 2 years ago

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"Longtime season ticket holder of yes. The dreaded near Cosmo's back in the day and the fascination of course as I grew up was fell in love with the sport fell in love with the League and the teams and the you know in the sting. The hated stink. Frankly but you understand that. And the the not the notion of you know. And it spurred my interest in the sport and then of course seemingly overnight it went away it just disappeared and then the long and and continuingly tortuous history of soccer in this country. But that's that's the kind of impact it had and it just sort of led to a gigantic interest in all these kinds of things and not just in the sport of soccer so I hope in that sort of and we've had lots of great conversations especially around Soccer National Hall of Famers in particular But lots of different sort of memories and understandings Clive. Toy for example. I mean Paul Guard I mean lots of great insight and stuff but I'm honored that you could give us a few minutes and maybe we can delve into a little bit of your journey before. Obviously but certainly in the United States inclusive of the standard not exclusively makes sense. Yeah absolutely you. Can you know ask any questions Especially some of my favorite people like life story. Monday the biggest. Bs Person I ever met in my life. Okay maybe we maybe we could start there all right. Let's let's start them. We'll we'll sort of get back to the original part of the story right so you know there's a story in In Chicago sting owners. At least Stern's book which I will promote. I think it's out of prints called a kid from the windy city right. He he talks about sort of the story of. I guess where the sting was at one thousand nine hundred ninety six or so not doing all that well and clive toy was the president of the team at the time and and Lee essentially said that he was you know he wanted to make a change. He wanted to bring you in. I guess you were an assistant coach. Time to lead. The team and clive was either whatever obstinate or or had other ideas and kind of demured on the idea. But but that's that's lease opinion. What gives us a story of how you became the Iky I will give you the total tooth at sidesteps concerned. I took over the Chicago. Thing after bill folks Both fired and we finished the season. Six thousand six And I don't even blame bill folks. I actually liked the guy. He was honest truthful. And sometimes you have injuries. Sometimes they'll stuff going on that you can't control as coach and but anyway so clive toy comes in As the president. I don't know what happened to him in New York because you know he Kind of self proclaimed himself as the The God of soccer in the United States in the sense that he bought Paley and he bought Beckenbauer. Oh and Tim let me tell you what. Palin you know what part Beckenbauer in its money from Warner communication and from Atlantic records you know. That's what Clive had no clue I think he was a sports writer in London at the time. And you know he really didn't have any clueless SARS bringing in players so anyway. The next season starts and he princeton's coach from Manchester United. Who Apparently Assistant Coach. Malcolm must go and you know and Lee said all. I want you to stay on with the coaching staff at Sidley. I don't WanNa be part of it because a lot of players that I played with as a teammate in seventy five and seventy-six up broke my leg so I wasn't but then I coached him. You know for the ladder to seasonable folks but fired and I said they're going to have loyalty towards me and I don't want to disrupt that for the New head coach. No no you gotta go. You gotta go so we went on the trip to The Caribbean preseason. You GotTa go you. GotTa you've gotTa help out you've gotTA help out this lease store. And so reluctantly. I went and my lake actually healed at the time and we played exhibition games and Martinique We played against the Cuban national team. The first team professional teams that play In then I think that was the baseball team that follow us. It was a very famous trip. Their right to the sting in the national team of Cuba down there. Yeah right right and you know what whenever we had injuries Malcolm Moscow would ask me Can you play twenty minutes you know? Yeah of course getting my legacy or not a problem at all and after that whole trip I was the leading goal score on undisputed season. Two and Malcolm said well. We can't use your name you know. No no use anybody's name. I don't care whose name get the goal to you know Get Him anybody. Elvis Presley It didn't mean anything As far as I was concerned we were so bad as a team that when we landed in Chicago and I barely got my foot. Open the front door. My House got in phone call at least during the boss. House the team looking. I said Lee. You just hired a brand new coach. You Guys Hide Him. You know ask him. Don't ask me by calling me. You know it's like a spy like I'm going to spy on and I said but if you have a meeting and you have Malcolm myself you and if Clive Tori was supposed to be part of it you know what And you ask me questions and I will answer them honestly but you know how the team started that year. I think we were all in twelve or whatever. This is seventy eight season. I think right right right you know so I get a phone call and Lee likes his title Used to call me kid. The boss you're taking the team over. I said Hell No. I'm GonNa take you know I mean you lose yourself you'll reputation or anything you take that team over not says absolutely not and you know. I you know Clive Tori School. His partner Who Lives in Sweden Billy Viola? Land Lines All the contracts basically went scoot is Swedish guy so we ended up getting like four Yugoslavian player. Smith's bitch of Milkovich They played like in the third division in. Scans and you know. I don't know how much money we spent for them at the time. But you know what the guy's FAB really useless. I mean you know it was like a joke but before they even came and I'm GonNa back track a little bit I went onto scouting Trip with Clyde toy we we're gonNA look at Athletes a national team N- and I forgot what country was an athlete but definitely important so we could have a cap not uber but regular cat and butch piping going to see you know see the players and I didn't see anything worthwhile seeing and Blah Blah Blah Blah. Then I went to I'll go to Germany and a couple of plays by following the German news. I found out that debuted in favor. with the club anymore that we could probably get him one of them. Was I know steph knocking? Who was a great player? I mean he was the European type player. All star and host Blankenberg Who also was A great defender playing alongside. Johan cry at and I ex. Yeah and You know so. I kind of worked out that deal and They came to US joins us and it made a little bit different but not but we kept losing and then going back again but at least set. You know you're taking over and I said no I'm not You know I don't Any part of this my biggest success but clive story but when I went on the scouting script the only thing he always told me in your make. Sure you bring me back. A box of Cuban cigars not players. Cuban cigars that you know if I brought him back back to the Cuban cigars I had a successful trip. So you know that was easily done but it but it does. It does sound really that you were kind of behind the scenes already kind of beginning if not already starting to put your hands in your imprints on on this team even if you were reluctant to do so because my understanding again from what I read right and now talking to the source is that kind of must grove was kind of given the credit for finding and or signing people like Stephan Haagen ingredients and Blankenburg and Jorgen cristen Chin. But it sounds like you were kind of involved if not very involved in sort of isolate those you know who signed him. You're talking to them that here whether it was your sin understaffing hiding host Blankenberg but I'm the one that did nobody else. No does anybody else would tell you that. Absolutely Liars No I make contact. I went to their homes and You know get all the you know the context the initial then obviously took less money to find allies to deal but No Yeah so okay. So then how. How what convinces you then finally to to take over the reins because essentially you're already doing many of the things that arguably Malcolm and door clive should be or have been doing what convinced you to kind of go over the top. And and take the reins yourself. I sat down with Lee in and I totally at the time. That the only way I will take over The you know the soccer program would be if I listen charge up all the summer camps if I was in charge of play acquisition if I was in charge of anything that had anything to do with soccer okay That the only person would report to the sleep store and not to Clive Story. You know 'cause I saw the obvious failures that this man had and You know and he totally agreed to it. So then I wanNA say maybe a couple of months later Clive Tori resigns as because to them from the Chicago Sting. Because he couldn't do any deal that he will you know that he had been a spotty billio land in Stockholm in Sweden? So you know the power was gone. You know it's you know but is it going to do now. Nothing Lee absolutely supported that. And that's basically when I became the team manager and coach and you know and took over the team. So this was mid season nineteen seventy-eight I. And then obviously full-time and and onward in seventy nine and we'll get into the rest of that story in a little while but you might want to remind our audience. You're Kinda hinting. At the the the change in the demeanor and the performance of the team was seemingly overnight. Right once that change was made. I mean if you look at the stats. I mean you ultimately made the first round of the playoffs and seventy eight after starting very woefully and despite having a losing record which is a North American Soccer League specialty. But I digress. But the turnaround was dramatic. Wasn't pretty quickly you Not only on the soccer field But you talk about Tim. Weigel few talk about Johnny Morris. You talk about blue's Roberts you talk about all the television people. We had characters Deba great interviews and then you know what month thing led to another thing and then pretty soon people got excited listening. You know to Callahan's with pink classes in those days I don't know but the neighbor in style or not but a lot of people come common to on that and And these really top notch first division players in Europe. Yeah and for those outside the Chicago area at Willy's referencing a most of the major sort of television newscasters in the Chicago area. And and then it basically became much more of a a story not just about this team and playing soccer but also frankly the personalities involved in that actually sowed the seeds for what was to come and in years past but but obviously it didn't immediately translate into to fans in the stands right but but you did feel and Lee did feel that you're onto something and obviously certainly more competitive which is ultimately. I guess what mattered you know. At the end of the day right. No No An excellent players. And when you build a team you know that that's smell inside to The needs to be chemistry..

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02:34 min | 3 years ago

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"By the time that they came to go to the soccer bowl <hes> there was no doubt but what you know we were going to give him full coverage. We sent a columnist who as i recall and and the columnists start showing up <hes> which is a retali- who a lot of people don't know about it used to be really a prominent sports commerce for the used to love to come out and write about them. They've kind and with throw some stuff in the column once in a while about him a lot of it's centered around. Lee's stern because he was kind of still kind of the face of the team <unk> at the same time and <hes> i think even bill gleason from some time start coming out to me that was the real barometer and you never saw that you never saw that until basically until tola seventy nine seventy eight seventy nine into it then it was also the first year of the indoor game eighty eighty one which was the first sort of real. I guess response to the a._m. A._s._l. Which had sort of grown out of nowhere three years prior so in some respects i guess you also had now more of a year round reason to cover and war if you're lee turn on the front office promote the team and obviously the indoor thing itself caught on even independent of the outdoor but i got to think that that seventy nine and into eighty season with that indoor loop it didn't hurt things in terms of keeping the interest level you know used to do you still gotta right. You're still going to be in the paper and they would never have been in the paper otherwise to and in the off season that that <hes> you know interesting m._s._l. Pretty sure jim walker was the first general manager who used to be the general manager who i think we place clive toy. Maybe yeah or charlie of rain one of the two and the m._s._l. Knew what they were doing with the game that they knew how to play the game indoor shocker and and it was just hilarious the first year or two of the n._f._l. Tried to play indoor and they're getting good crowds and everything but willie never seen a coach so so exasperated after lying changes. I mean you know i mean he'd never i mean soccer's veria sort of cerebral sport where you throw your guys out there and you really don't have a whole lot of control all over what goes on you yellow few instructions or something but this stuff was constant motion. Some of the players really had trouble adjusting to it but but but but the fans that were going were sting outdoor where people so they were adjusting to it too at the same time and it and it really worked and i mean they had some full houses of the chicago stadium. It was fun to watch how how was it to cover indoor versus outdoor right outdoors a little bit more languid and you chance to breathe you can kind of see strategy developed whereas this indoor thing much more gogo hockey type higher scoring i mean how did you and your editors look at this indoor..

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03:30 min | 3 years ago

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"With the sting but that was that was a concoction of of toys right being almost sort of the quintessential to <hes> promoter. Shall we say of the game name <hes> maybe that's a good segue because it seems like that's when some real attempts to kind of shake things up a little bit both on the field as well as perhaps off the field and and it didn't go very well. It seems like those seventy seven seventy eight seasons yeah i. I you know for what reasons. I can't tell you but i mean i. I know that the newspapers tended do not do anything at all very exciting about him at the time when they made some of the played some of those exhibitions and as you alluded to do they weren't all that successful soccer's a different sport to because exhibition games some of those exciting exhibition games. They're not always what they're cracked up to be either because sometimes the star players stay back. They don't wanna get hurt that kind of stuff you you know and they call them friendlies for the most part so that right off the bat that sort of put you in a whole you're silt gets they're playing a friendly with somebody and but toi toi it was a was a really like clive and he was he was a good guy and he was exciting but i sometimes think that he needed a little bigger budget to do the sort of stuff that he really wanted to do and <hes> and i think i think that kinda he was a little hamstrung when he was here <hes> and and he's just totally the opposite of what lee was lee was excitable excitable and clive you know you could set off a bomb on the next block and and you know and he would he would take it in stride and and move right on along and everything but he was a delight to cover too because he loved being around the media and and of course coming from new york you know he was he was really into. He knew he knew what would play in what wouldn't play with the media and he played you know he was. He was great to cover well. He also brought in a new coach. Malcolm muss grove which also didn't go all that well right because i think in nineteen seventy eight right the team. If i have this correct i think they kind of uh-huh in ten yeah. It was a disastrous start in seventy eight and if i have mike my data correct. I don't know it was seventy. Seven or seventy eight the i think the sting had had the lowest attendants of any team in the league so yeah i do you remember of that of that kind of time because i gotta think that it's at around this time and i think i've seen a little bit of bits and pieces that lee stearns probably thinking i what do i have to do and why am i doing this to myself. First of all just to tobacco. Don't put too much stock in attendance figures. The almost all were lower than what they were saying to. It makes it makes the situation even worse. I think <hes> <hes> i don't. I don't think i don't know i can't recall there was thoughts along the line of well lis going to bag it and just fold up the team and all that kind of stuff that never seemed to be factor because one of the things that that kind of went into the strength of the franchise was the strength of the league and and they still were expanding in some cases and <hes> so that helped and i don't know what kind of pooling they would do a resources among owners and teams but so that never really was was quite a factor. You know that oh my guys and frankly. I'm a newspaper guy. If they fold the phone that's the story but <hes> but lee was just kind of dug in his feet you know and just became even more determined you know to to make it go but but malcolm and i don't know that i think sometimes that clive toy came here kind of because i don't know how much lee had to do with that to get his son. Kenny had a lot to have a lot of influence and <hes>. I think everybody thought you know well. If he's these diverse successful the cosmos you'll come here and do the same thing. Lee was thinking thinking more..

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02:11 min | 3 years ago

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"Like soldier field is depressing scene and at and to be fair a lot of those european games don't necessarily be cross either sometimes but <hes> it's depressing scene and they never really had home. I mean they played wrigley field. They played in soldier field. They played wait. Socks park even has some exhibition games in hanson park and fullerton on the north side of the city and <hes> so they never really had a home. I i laugh when i see the the current soccer team wants to move out of their team out of their stadium. If the student had a stadium like that it would have been unbelievable. I think you know because they just the even in that location which some people think is is not good for pro team but <hes> they needed a home like that and they never had that and i think that had a lot to do with sir the early years the small crowds. I mean you know you go to soldier field and i i remember once. This is more than what you want. A number reveres ago. I covered a a football game at soldier field you. I see used to have a football team and i covered a game and he played in soldier field and they played one year. They played a small college from iowa name. Luther college and i wrote a story. I took pictures and i wrote a story for for more than register as a stringer and there were like maybe two thousand people in soldier field and this is when soldier field is big now. It's not the circle it is now and the headline read the day luther college played in soldier field and anyone could have seats on the fifty yard line and i mean it was almost that way with soccer i mean why would you my inexpensive ticket. When you knew from history and you've gone there i can sit anywhere. I want you know so it was a big you know an i thought sometimes the exhibition games they played played. Were more exciting than some of the regular season games to him. They played cuba in the middle seventies and cuba. I mean if that would happen today. Everybody would get all excited about it. You know they for another example of being ahead of their time and that was a big deal that game i mean and it was also probably one of the hallmarks of the general manager uli brought in dan by a guy named with clive toy who's been a honest on this show and we've talked about obviously his time mostly with the cosmos a little bit of the blizzard and snipe keep it with.

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