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Did you consider yourself more of a beach person or a mountain person? Or maybe you just like flatlands? I don't know. We're cities regardless we all have our favourite things about each of those places that we traveled to I'm gonna beach town right now. And I'm going to share one of my favorite things about beach towns today, plus an interview with somebody I got hooked up with in a crazy way. I can't even believe how small world is all share that story as well and much more. It's all happening next right now. So buckle up hit recline. Relax. Thanks for being here. And welcome to zero to travel podcast, my friend. Listen to zero to travel podcast where we explore exciting travel based work lifestyle and business opportunities, helping you to achieve your wildest travel. Now, your host world wonder and travel junkie Jason Moore. Hey there it's Jason with zero to travel dot com. Welcome to the show, my friend. Thanks so much for hanging out spending time with me letting me bring a little travel into your ears today. This is the show to help you travel the world on your terms to fill your life with as much travels you desire. No matter what your situation or experience. I'm sitting in the backyard of my Airbnb here in Tarpon springs, Florida, where we're enjoying some warm weather and escaping the Norwegian winter, I left Oslo a few weeks ago. And man, it's been brutal since we left. There's been a lot of sickness on this trip. More sickness. I think I've had on any trip. It's crazy. I'm actually just getting over the stomach flu. I was throwing up about twenty four hours ago hugging the toilet and just trying to get through the night. But I'm here with you today because I got to deliver this podcast to you on time every week, my friend, and I'm feeling better. Thanks for asking. Feeling much better. Have you gotten like deathly ill on a trip? I'm sure you have if you've traveled we've all been sick. And it's it's a terrible thing. So anyway, I'm glad to be back on the microphone with you. And you might hear those splashing in the background. I'm actually along the water here in the Gulf Coast. And there's some fish jumping every now and again thrown me off off my game a little so he'll try to stay focused. We got a big show for you today. An action packed show. Yes. I brought up the beach town thing because I m in a beach area, it's been a long time since I've been in Florida actually worked at Disney in the college program when I was twenty years old and intern. So I live down here for those few months. I was a crazy time and I've been here on tour travelling before, but I haven't really gone out of my way to travel to Florida ever. But every time I've been here, I've enjoyed it. And it's not at the top of my bucket list. But I got family down here. And it's a great place to come in the winter. And you know, what pleasantly surprised? It's been a longtime say Ben here, and I'm really enjoying exploring the beaches. We went to a state park today. There's a lot of great local restaurants amazing, seafood. If you go to the right places just having a great time. And I wanted to share one actually two of my favorite things that beach towns have to offer that you see in every good beach town. I would say I want to tell you a little bit about today's interview with my buddy Curtis. My new friends who owns the biggest bike touring company in Oslo Norway, and I got hooked up with him because I heard through the grapevine that we actually went to the same high school insanely enough. And I'm based in Oslo, if you're listening to this for the first time, and when I heard that this guy owns Viking biking this huge bike touring company. I was like I gotta meet this, dude. And I started digging into a story he has worked internationally for the U N. He lived in France studying speaks French speaks Norwegian. There's so many interesting things that this guy has done in his life. And now he owns this by torn combat said, well, we're going to have a great conversation. There's no doubt about it. Not only that I'm going to go down meet them in person get to do this interview in his bike shop. And now you're gonna listen into that conversation in just a second really quickly before you, do I wanna thank Pim's was pointing today's show if you go to zero to travel dot com slash easy. What you're gonna find is a free seven-day trial for the best way. To learn a foreign language via audio the audio. Just like you. Listen to podcasts to learn. Now, you can do the same thing with a foreign language wall. You've been able to do it for a while because pincers been around for fifty plus years. 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And a quote, I'll see on the other side of the interview. Thanks again for listening. I have the pleasure of sitting here right now with the founder of Viking biking based in Oslo. Norway number one on Tripadvisor. I saw today for outdoor activities in Oslo and their websites. Viking biking, Oslo dot com. We're gonna talk about bike touring today. Life as an ex Pat. I we're going to get into a bunch of stuff, and I'm sitting here with the founder right now. Curtis. Welcome to zero to travel podcast, my friend. Thanks nice to be alone. It's high five in here because although America next he. Yeah. Well, not only that we went to the same high school that just blows my mind the world has just too small. This is not the first one I've met in the shop really who went to the same high school amazing. I think I've had two other customers in the last seven years one who was in my graduating class, and I didn't know really. Yeah. Well, I mean, I graduated with eight hundred forty something same here accepting so. Yeah. It was funny because I have traveled around central America, South America, Asia, all these places, and you know, when you're traveling for an extended period, you'll oftentimes just run into random people that you stayed in a hostel with or something and just think, wow, this is like such a small world, and that really is such a visceral thing that drives that point home. And then when I found out that you were hearing that you run this company that you went to the same high school as me I had that same sort of feeling on my holy crap. And a no brainer. We had to talk. Yeah. We had to talk. No better place. I'm looking around. And I mean, I I walk in. There's just like loads of bikes, and I see a little bike shop setup over here. You got the work bench with all the tools. I mean, this is like this feels cozy man like how proper bike shop. How did how did a guy from suburban Philadelphia end up in Oslo? Why should all right before we get to that? Let's talk about growing up. 'cause I mean, we've had a similar experience growing up in term. Of where we're from St. one east Elizabeth lane, which broke PA baby. Aright Newton Newtown PA I'm in new town right down the road. But I mean, did you travel with your family growing up was that a thing free for you guys? Not not out of the US per se. No. I had a travel bug very early on my parents. Remember a story. Where we were somewhere in the east coast old and colonial like, a Georgetown or a Williamsburg or something old, and I had told my parents that I was going to go to college in a place that was old because I wanted to live in an old town. And I think I was ten years old actually did then I ended up going to weigh Mamari one of the oldest schools in the country. I chose a school based on the fact that had an old town also then during high school, I spent a summer in France. Okay. Like once student exchange. Yeah. Kinda of okay. And so then I I was also drawn to this concept of in old town, and I always told my parents may own age. I didn't want to just be in a place where I had to drive everywhere. I think it was a reaction to suburban life. Ashley. And I always love bikes go to Tyler state park and suburban or you know, it, well, I guess is your backyard, my backyard Sam here, and I'd spend all my days biking and swing by the grocery store pick up some food and candy go to the park spend my day biking and bike. Back and I never felt like I fully fit in the just driving around everywhere culture. And so I kind of turn my back on that in college and went to a little walkable town with an old town. I went to France, and of course, famous for that type of urban planning the little centralized downtowns, and you just walk in combined everywhere and take public transport. I don't know what the impetus was, but I just know. I was always drawn to it really early on. I mean, my parents have funny stories of me now Mitchell talking that way. Yeah. Who knows why we got we got we got some bike maintenance going on in the background, which which no it's great. Because as cast you want to have the flavor. That's right. He's head on tour. Now, I felt the same way about Colorado where I ended up going later in life for some reason I wanted to go to university in Colorado, and I didn't do that. But I ended up living in Colorado. But I'd never been. There was something about just the mountains. I mean who knows why when you're a kid these random things come up to your biking? Experience. Mine was skateboarding. We would skateboard down the new town. We would just skateboard everywhere. And then later biking as well. It was kind of a mixed. But my whole way of living now in being an Oslo in like moving to boulder when I was there and just kinda loving the idea of walking places and not getting in a car for everything is sort of a to counter that suburban experience I hadn't really thought about it that way up, and it's not I mean, I had a wonderful childhood loved where I grew up, and it was everything I could have asked for. Yeah. So it's not that. I'm a against it LA. It's just that. I had a feeling that it didn't fit me in the long run. It's not how I was going to live as an adult loved it as a kid, but I couldn't see myself doing that as an adult, and so it's not a in a way necessarily a negative reaction. Yeah. It's just knowing that it didn't fit me for the rest of my life. It was like certain places or right for certain phases. Right. I've been described Norway that way say to. People if your kid we have kids to mazing if you're twenty two year old look into party, it's pretty expensive. If you're retired. Don't feel breaking your hip on the ice in the winter you go to the south of Spain. Like, no places perfect. It's just some places fit you for that phase of life. Yeah. And so I grew up fit me great for that phase of life. But I seem to know already later on. I was going to need something different. And so hints the travel bug. Yeah. The the whole phase of life thing. I agree me. I didn't think Norway was going to be place that I would live because I wanted to get back to Colorado. But now that I do have a couple kids, and you have three kids you just had a third -gratulations. Thank you. And you've got your second. Congrats back at you. It is a perfect place for this phase of life. And who knows what will come next, right? Definitely want to take my kids around the world and travel with them and show them the world and all that stuff. But right now, it's cool to be here. When you went to France was that the thing that got you more interested in exploring and seeing the. Oral was that was at the thing that put the travel bug and hyper drive, absolutely no oddly enough when I was going to France, my first choices Madagascar really I want to go French-Speaking 'cause I've been studying French since I was thirteen years old or something. So I wanted to try to improve it. I want to go to Madagascar. And then there was some problems with the program that I want to go on with some security issues, and it got recommended that we didn't. So I ended up choosing France, which was my backup plan. I guess I I always pictured myself working overseas humanitarian, which is actually my background not towards him whatsoever. That was kind of more of a side gig. And so I wanted to do humanitarian work be based out of Europe had a very clear vision for what I wanted to do after the I'm starting in France in from like sixteen years old, really? Yeah. I have no clue why I chose a college based on what I wanted to study which would help me get over seasons or nationally to humanitarian work. Yeah. It was there. And I did we can talk later by worked for the Red Cross from an ears ticket meditation work. And so I don't know. I I kind of had a vision in mind didn't involve a bike store. That kinda came about in my mid thirties midlife crisis. I guess, but France, then became what was going to be Madagascar ended up being France really turned into kind of that jump off point of leading me down a path that was going to be. I think I knew quite quickly maybe a permanent ex, Pat or long-term expert. I feel as soon as I got there when you talked about not quite feeling like you fit in riding your bike around suburban Philadelphia. And then you get the France. And now it feels a little bit. Okay. This is this. Just learn the language this lifestyle for me. Okay. Yeah. So it's hard to tune into that intuition sometimes. But I think maybe it's easier when you're younger right because you're just so open, and there's so many possibilities with where you can also think we're we're kids of the eighties and US cities were quite different back. Then if I were growing up now, I might. Not have that same push to leave in a way because you are cities have become better at planning densely Esther improved public transport of kind of burgeoning bike movements and lots of cities. Of course boulder where you are. But even that was a big reason, I moved Shinsen DC Philadelphia where we're from these towns of completely transformed themselves, and they allow a lifestyle now that I don't think was there necessarily when we were kids in the eighties into the early nineties thinking, hey, how do I wanna live my life as an adult? Yeah. That scene has changed. Yeah. And so I think I'm a product of a generation where there wasn't really many good alternatives. If you wanted to lead a lifestyle that I think I was looking to lead which was more kind of walking based bike based just feeling there's like a certain socialness to that type of lifestyle. But that exists now in a lot of Americans as it's really bounce back. So that's why I leave the door open to going back at some point. It's not like I feel like I have to be. Over here for the rest of my life. Who knows where as you said who knows where you end up. Right. I think it's a hugely important thing to kind of assess your lifestyle constantly, right? Mu talked about the lifestyle you wanted to lifestyle being able to walk around. And I was something that resonates with me because I love not getting in a car. Well, first of all I failed my driver's license here. Norway Singley enough. It's it's a tough test. Don't get me on that rant. Because I it pissed me off still, but I have a Norwegian driver's license, but never took the exam. That's a different story. So I need to know how you did that. And if you know anybody that can can get that for me in town fully galley cash, fully galley. All right. I'll pick your brain on that later. But no, if you're listening to this and you're thinking, oh, well, you know, where I live right now. Or what I'm doing right now where I'm traveling isn't really fitting in with the lifestyle that I want right now in this phase of my life because it's hard to recognize as you change as a person. Right. You're just in the moment with it. But then you look back, and you can see how you change and how you evolve. So I think assessing that and seeing okay, maybe I can put myself physically in a place that gives me that lifestyle that I want. I think it's quite important the physicality of location. I think is underestimated even when you're traveling in a way, I find the Moore, I've traveled the more I become interested in places where I could somehow imagine living there, even if it's completely different. I could write someplace it's just a tourist destination, you know, living on a tropical beach. I just don't see myself doing that. You know, realistically, I've got three kids, and I'm not just going to live in a tropical beach in the Maldives. So it's cool to visit. I guess. For rest and relaxation. But no way I've I've turned more towards a traveling where I can almost relate to a place. I mean, even if it's somewhere in Thailand, Malaysia, where I could say, oh, I I could see how you could live here completed from lifestyle. But I see how it's livable. I'm drawn to the idea of the physicality the place. Makes it feel like it could almost be like a home to me high. So, yeah, it's a different type of travel, the more you travel builder. You get I think you've seen lots of cool towards tights. You're done with that a bit. Yep. And I all the sudden appreciate good urban planning right writings like that on the this city city's laid out beautifully. Well, how well thought out just it's a different mentality. But I think that physicality of if you're not happy with where you are in life. Sometimes it can be the place, and it's it sometimes it's just right to switch. Yeah. For some people. It means changing cities for you. And me, I think it meant more changing continents or countries that works too. I think it's interesting how travel opens up those possibilities. If you said to my I dunno my teenage self or even in my early twenties before I started traveling. Oh, you can just live us. You mentioned the Maldives I'm gonna live on the Maldives and a tropical island that would be like well who can do that. That's impossible. That's insane. But then when you. Travel around and you see people living, and you meet ex pats. And and you're there, and you understand what life is like, they're all the things become more of an actual reality that you can consider like, oh, yeah. I could just move to Thailand for a little bile or live in southeast Asia. Or or moved Argentina for six months study Spanish or those things just seem less impossible. It's funny because I have a specific example of that that I remember so well, I was back visiting my high school friends. Let's see this was fifteen years ago, and I had just been living in unsee, a beautiful town in the Alps in France below the Swiss border found Sarah. Yeah, it's horrible. It's set on canals on an alpine lakes. No covered. It's one of the most beautiful like mid sized towns in Europe that I've seen it's really spectacular. One of the best old towns, it's out of this world. And I was living in the old town just getting by teaching English and putting together some odd jobs here, and there so wasn't living glamorous whatsoever in a small apartment, but in the old town, it was the locate. Was amazing and a back visiting my high school, friends and one of them had been there couple years before. And he's again, Matt seems great. But I don't see how you can really live there. It's just like to pretty it's not real. And I think if you sounds like somebody from Philadelphia. Right. I by the way, actually, but but that's the that mentality for me. It was like, no, this is actually livable, and you can do it. And if you fall in love with the place, you just go for it. And then that affects every other aspect of your life. So sometimes the the physicality of place that can seem almost daunting, Mike. I just don't see how I could live here. No way. But actually can bring you real great happiness to be in a place that using it's almost too good to be true. Or doesn't seem within the line of reason. But. You set your mind to it? You can end up in a lot of places, and then that physicality of location starts to affect your how you see the world, and you start to think differently and everything changes. Whether it's what place you wanna visit for your next vacation destination, or what type of party choose to live in. So we don't set your is just that you wanted to path down you go. Anyway, tell me how you ended up with the Red Cross because he worked for humanitarian aid for the international Red Cross's at right? How did you take your college experience and actually landed gig like, I guess give us your your? I I didn't study tourism even though that's what I work in Horsman biking studied in. I think I would say in a way of you travel, the world might degree mind or grad degrees in international law. And then my graduate degree is from the law school deal in France. Okay. Plus with like a postgraduate certificate in England where I was looking on management of kind of. Legal issues and management issues surrounding disaster response. So you just after you finish that William and Mary, right? You just you're ham gonna do the rest of my education overseas. And so yeah. And I I worked for a couple years as I said teaching English picking up some odd jobs and then went back to school both in England. And in France, then finished off my master's degree in French at the university, and it was very relevant to. Humanitarian work. You're looking a lot at kind of international rules around disaster. Red crosses a place to end up. And that's what happened just through a good connections people. You know, I know this person who knows that person. Just threw a little network of web and get my CV out there and sent to pull storage sent pry hundreds of CV's and ended up getting one of them. And I stay with the Red Cross then for almost eight years mostly during the cumin resources during crises. Okay. What was that experience? Like, I was based in Geneva. It was very international ex-pat, I speak French still. I mean, I finished up a masticate. French French is quite good. And then I worked in French, but those are very expert lifestyle. It's tough to get in touch with the locals, even though I spoke French 'cause Geneva like many European cities really has the international pet crowd. And so it was having friends from every corner of the world from every continent. Int who have all traveled around? And you you wanted a. Yeah. And you start to create a community. Where it doesn't fit actually like one country. You're not living Swiss lifestyle or in France. You don't live a French lifestyle. If you're in the ex Pat community of New York, you don't necessarily New York lifestyle you lead next pet lifestyle. It's like this weird sometimes fitting where we say like a square peg into a round hole. Where like the place inspires you. And you want to be in that place, and you want to be in that job, but actually kicking open the door and being a part of the local community can be challenging and so two Neva was definitely that. I it was a bit. Like that. Also in the UK where I was in Brighton where it was very ex Pat based, and so I lead that lifestyle for, you know, ten to fifteen years, and it was only when I came to Norway where I have a Norwegian wife and now kids who are integrated into Norwegian society in they speak. Norwegian to me that have like a attached to the identity of 'em over real local here. Right. So for a long time, I think like you did it was a little bit of a roaming ex, Pat, and you're traveling all the time with your work or just with friends or to go back and see family. It was a very tenement lifestyle. In a way, you're half the time in a suitcase, and now I'm settled down and have my kids and whatnot. But I would definitely say that experience of what a head Geneva's what I had been looking for. And I got it. I had it for good amount of time. But at some point, you're ready for something different. Yeah. Once again, we talked about this phase of life. And it was like the phases life. You're feeling chases time for change. And so, but no I thought the Red Cross or yes, she worked for the UN. I work to the Red Cross. And we were neighbors. I just asked her out. I kept seeing her pretty attractive blonde hair. Blue eyes typical Norwegian. So I just stir out. And there we go. I should probably regrets it. But. But here we are at amazingly at amazingly worked out, what does she think of the Philadelphia area? I know when I go back home. It's funny. This is no fence anybody feel like because I fall right into it. And I came from it, and you can probably hear it in my voice now just talking to another guy from Philly. You just start talking louder sounds like everybody's screaming at each other. It was talking normally on the trains and Norway. You wonder why? Everyone's whispering sounds so quite here. It's so funny. You know, my my wife, she spent a year abroad in high school in rural Illinois, southwest of Peoria. Oh, wow. Okay. With an extremely conservative very openly racist family that came from a very different background. She's from a very secular. Well, educated FAM she's from a farm, but their PHD holders, and they farm on the side, but they're very educated secular humanist society completely different than you would get. So it was a very interesting experience. But at the same time, she was living in what was nearly a double wide trailer. It was a poor. It was closed minded they weren't interested in Norway openly racist using the N word to describe blacks. It was I opening and it was all of the bad stereotypes of the US were reinforced for her. Right. Wow. So when she met me, and she told people she was dating in American her friends just. Laughed and thought it was a joke. I never 'cause she said I'll never stepping foot back in that country. And then she discovered different aspects of the US. We went to Boston. She saw New England in the fall, and it was amazing in this cute. Little towns of New England, you know old town Philadelphia, and then really enjoyed DC in my family lives in southern Virginia, and Williamsburg, Virginia beach and really liked the weather. There we go in the winter, and she has been over to Seattle and the west coast up to Vancouver and starts to get this whole kind of different feel at Hawas. You know, this country's the size of a continent. And that she actually does like parts of it. So I it took her a little while. So her initial reaction was I can't believe you here when somebody goes to your home country and has an experienced like that and they're getting they get a little slice of like the worst of the worst. Is specially in that case like of. Beat just being around that and not getting a chance to engage in everything else that you know, but that could happen in any country happen anywhere, actually know, a guy who's from Wisconsin who loves Norway. But on high school year abroad was in a rural dark valley above the Arctic, circle and got depressed because he didn't see daylight for four and a half months a year and hated it right ended up back in Norway. But in southern Norway. Yeah, you know, where we've got light. It's a much easier climate, and he was in kind of a run far farm in a little small valley. And he just. Kind of he stuck it out and up phone in Norway. But there's an example it can go both directions. Yeah. And it's a good thing in general for like a lesson learned more traveling been abroad is you don't judge just on one experience? Yeah. Most countries. Let's talk a little small micro country, most countries more than just one place. Yeah. You often have to kick the tires bit. Maybe even give it a second chance. I didn't enjoy England. My first time, for example, then you grow to like your, and you learn it better, and you go back second time with perspective and don't don't spend three days in the country and say you hate. Yeah. Exactly. Maybe if you've been in a really tiny like you're in Luxembourg, maybe perhaps you could do a judgment after a couple of weeks or something. But otherwise, you definitely have to be a little bit open minded about it. Can it can take some time? Did you bike tour around Europe? When it's how I fell in love with France was biking. Okay. I've said I've done the two other times you've done what is under the false ten times. But just not in the real Twitter fronts just in my own makeup version where I would bike around. I have covered that was it try touring where you literally packing my bike's with dozens of pounds of gear on the front and back tires on the racks fully kitted out along with day trips. Wherever I lived in France because I've lived on the north part the south park east part. The west part, and then a good bit in Switzerland to that was your primary means of trash government leaders. Yeah. And so I've done some crazy stuff like biking from Switzerland to Spain without a map, for example, just for fun. Just like figured how did that go? You know, you follow the road river, and it hits the Mediterranean. They follow the Mediterranean and the Mediterranean on the left. You're heading in the right direction. Molds Fall River hit the Mediterranean draw of the head through left or right or up turn. Right. And as long as the med is on your left, more or less. You know, you're in the right direction. Did you have a compass or what did, you know? No, not really he just ask them around the worst way to travel or at worst mistake. I made was about a twenty kilometer detour. Okay. But otherwise, you know, nothing, you know, if you don't have had an actor that you like. Not too bad. Yeah. You know, you know. Slower pace right at something. I love about bike tourism. Is you enjoy the actual process? You enjoy biking biking's fun. Like, I love to go hiking to put on huge backpack. Go in the mountains. But man, those backpacks or heavy in your shoulders ache at the end of the day and Vikings easy on the body. And so if you make a twenty kilometer mistake, but you've seen some beautiful stuff. You're not what's a mistake. I'm using air quotes. Yeah. It's really not that big of a problem because it's just light on the body. It's not hard on the knees. You don't have all the weight on your body the bags or on the bike. And so once you get used to you've got a little bit of a weight balance issue. Yeah. Because you've got bags in the front wheels and bags on the back. I was wrote with my feet Clifton. So you get the extra strength on the up of the pedal has voiced down and that can help make up for some. But I did lots of bike twin where it's not like I ever trained or anything like that. I would just jump on and go and the first few days I would do. Or kilometers than by week two or three kind of bike myself into shape. And it's a great way to discover your. I mean, I have discovered western southern Europe. And then Scandinavia through biking. It gets you in touch people talk to you as soon as they see a guy coming through with like thirty five pounds of baggage on his bike. They chat with you. Yeah. And it just opens up avenues you see stuff. You'd never see because you're on a bike. And you can just choose that little back road to the right looks pretty I'm gonna go to that church and do that. And then you end up parking front of the church, and you are they're chatting with some local that's hanging out there. And then they give you a recommendation of a place to eat. And it goes that way. I find bike tourism is really offensive would be the best word to describe it for me. And as I said, I love getting into the mountains and putting on a backpack. But that's more to get away from it. All yeah. Reflective and enjoy the nature. Bike tours for me. It really brings you in contact with. That country more than any other type of tourism because you get on the small back roads. And you see the small side villages. And if done it in Europe, but I've also done it through Canada. And I've done it through the US same experience. No matter continent, Amman, it just I've done it in southern Asia too. I just opens up doors. No matter where is your preferred means of trout. Absolutely. And so, yeah, I've France is probably the country, I know best buy bike. But I've covered a good bit of the east coast of the US and east coast of Canada and all over western Europe, and Malaysia and Thailand and like southeast Asia. I sit with rose colored glasses probably because I don't know you've had you had a lot of experience you had enough experience zones. Live haven't had a good bike twenty longtime some agent for one right now got three small kids. So I probably with rose colored glasses for I'm like, oh, man. If I could just get on the open road one more time for a week or so, hey, man. This is a big to do for me is to get on a bike with my kids in a trailer or some same here and to go yet. So. We're going to have to wait years. Oh, man. You know? You know, we need some extra hands to wrangle these kids. I remember I was with my wife, and then a group of people from the Red Cross we had done like this Red Cross kind of spring bike thing. And we were at the top of label pulse. Which is a perched hilltop village in puddles in the south of France. And it was a brutal climb to the top. And we make it to the top. And just as we're getting there all off fallen off our bikes and sweaty we get passed by a family of five from Norway. Ironically, the dad is pumping up the hill. He's on his bike and behind him. He's got a kid who's on one of those like my call the alligator bikes or whatever like where you touch the kids bike to the adult bike. Yeah. And then the mother was pumping up the hill with a kidney child seat in a trailer non electric, and they're just pumping up the hills and. We were just laughing. They get to the top and the kids like, we're hungry thinking, your parents are hungry van. You don't understand what they did? Someday, that's going to be me. But I've modified my version of someday it's going to be mean, I'm probably going to be doing that with an electric bike. Yeah. I'm gonna I'm gonna check with three kids. I hadn't thought about it with the electric bike could be we've got to the test. Then is there a hybrid where you can pedal, and then you can use electric sometimes or is it just yes. Or the one if you get a nice one that has the everything kind of in the center of the bike the batteries in the center of the bike and Motors in the crank. If you don't need electric use. It's not so much heavier, and it's the same pedal feel they can just use like a regular bike. And then when you need to switch on switch on out. That's what I tend to do is when I don't really need. I just put in the lowest mode, and the when I really am going up a steep hill. I live on a hill. That's twelve percent grade. And also straight up, man. It's insane. The winter. Yeah, you actually can't access our house from one side and the winter one road we so we can only come up much one. The other one side, that's a less steep. Which is maybe like an eight percent great. We can make it up that. But there man got haven't looked bike and kind of converted to in my older age. I guess I'm going to start doing electric bike tours. If I'm gonna have three kids, and I'm pulling around in one way or the other. So we've got two of them. So I can Lin went to you guys. And we can go off. Yeah. We'll all talk about this, man. This is definitely bene- fantasy mind to just get on the bike from. I I love the idea of and I've talked to other people in the pot. Cast of this guy. Tom allen. Now, if you ever fall his stuff, he's biked around the world. And I I just remember as needed with his story of just, you know, the idea of walking out of your apartment and riding a bike around the world, and then like showing backup to your partly years later or something but doing that here. Norway, just leaving my apartment and going something like you did like something across Europe or into Africa or anything like that. That's good friend here. Who's kind of half American. His parents are both Norwegian, but he grew up in the US in the suburbs of DC. So and he's more than I am. So his whole childhood and upbringing was in the US, but he's moved back here and his wife Norwegian. He speaks native Norwegian also, of course, and has kids and whatnot. And he does that every year with a couple of mates. They jump on a bike from Oslo. And then they go somewhere they're trying to do Scandinavia. So they've jumped on a bike from Oslo and just gone down to Goteborg. I save gone over to Stockholm via the canals and then. When they have a big goal of kind of looping up the Scandinavian peninsula to the north of Sweden and then coming back down to Fenland over tells inky. Yeah. And he literally does that he gets on his bike. And he starts pedaling and away. He goes, right? He doesn't get on a train. He doesn't drive to he just walks out of his house. And that's exactly what I've always done to with bike touring. I just walk out my house, I clip into my bike, and I go, and so it is it's so magical, and it's like the easiest form of tourism. Like, you said it's something about it's less about the destination. And it's just more of hey, you're on the trip immediately. And it's just, you know, you're gonna stop in get a coffee, whatever, you're going to interact with people, you you don't really know where you're going to end up as opposed to not that that can't happen when you're traditionally backpacking, but you do have to get to a place get set up get a place. It's just a different experience. You know that you can leave when you want. I don't think I don't know if there's. Yeah. I don't know if there's better or worse at like this could be another phases of life. Thing different styles of travel. But for me right now, I'm very interested in by touring. Which is another reason that packed a lot. I love backpacking on the Eurorail on the train. I've done road trips in a car. I mean, they all have their pluses and minuses I keep going back to biking though. I think what I like about biking is I can just go whenever I want. You don't worry about rush hour traffic. You don't worry about catching a train or catching a plane. You just get on your bike. When you wake up clip into the pedals and start going, and there's something so freeing about I don't think about any extra factor. Maybe it's raining, and I'm sick. I'll take a long breakfast. Look at the weather forecast. And I'll leave at one that day. Well, look you man. I mean, I'm sitting here you're surrounded by bikes. This is your passion. Clearly. Yeah. When did you decide to take your passion for biking and turn it into a business? How long were you Norway? What how did the whole the first the first passion Kimmel's in Switzerland? And I was organizing a lot of rides for. For Red Cross friends. Okay. I use it as a way for people to meet each other. When you work in the ex Pat community international organizations, people come and go. Yeah. All the sudden someone's often Haiti right? So both STAN on a contract or something and off they go to Sudan, and they come back and people come and go. And so I found it a nice way to bring people together. I had like I had different friends. They didn't know each other because they were never there. It's time. So I started we're gonna send some bike tours in Switzerland, some weekend trips some longer trips like I mentioned what to prevent for a week and stuff like that. And people were saying to me, man. This is your passion. You should be doing this. I was like tour guide on these tours was put together four five day, ten of Aries and looking up all historical points, and awesome places that I had lived in France, did you end up giving history. And absolutely all of that. And I wanted to give them a cool experience. I did. And I spent more time on that than I did on my work probably with the Red Cross not at Red Cross time for the most part, by the way. Let's make that clear got. But at home like patch. You. I'm going now, you can be honest, but I actually did find that my mind was starting to wonder from my work desk job sitting computer, lots of contract contractual stuff for HR and I sign right? And my mind is wandering often about like what's the next trip? I'm gonna plan. And I saw Guinness idea of realistically, I'm never going to be able to have a lifestyle where I can take people for like a week at a time. I was engaged to be married to my wife in new I want to have kids like I'm not just going to go off for two weeks and take groups through the French countryside. So I start thinking what about urban bike tours 'cause I had been on lots of urban bike tours. Yeah. Which around a lot of the companies in Europe are run by Americans right Munich Mike's and that was a very famous one. I did my first backpack. It's the yeah, it's huge. And it's the first, and I know Mike a little bit. And it's a I I mean, not no, but I'm had contact with him acquaintance first or second bike to urban bike to a company in the world. Now, the one in Amsterdam Americans who run fat tire. Which is maybe the biggest if you take in all of its branches in Paris, London Barcelona and Berlin by the largest bike tour company in the world would be my guess for urban biking run by Americans. Also, I been on those and I've been to Boston. I took a bike tour. I've been to DC taken a bike tour. I'd always enjoyed bike tours. So I just started modifying vision of I had myself biking through the countryside of France or up in the wilderness of Scandinavia, and I modified it to fit my lifestyle to mentally. I came up with this idea of Geneva by bike I- colleagues of the Red Cross who were pretty experienced some head new NBA's and things like this that were more management, and they could help me write the business plan guy from the accounting department who could help me do the accounting in the budgeting, and I set up a company called Geneva by bike had gone. So far that I got insurance for it. I got enough financial backing from the city tourism board. They were really into it. It was legit house going forward with it. And then my wife got an offer she couldn't refuse to come back to Norway to work for the ministry of health. And I had wanted to come back to Norway. I had been here before all the way back in two thousand one two thousand two up and tall Heim and really liked it. So I had this idea. That's a st-. For different time. And I had this idea that I could imagine settling back there, and you know, engage me married to Norwegian. So I thought man this is like a once in a lifetime opportunity. So I actually pushed for us. And I thought I'll just transfer that idea to Norway I'd research, and there's no to a company in also. So I had it in my mind. I I got here. I wasn't ready. Just started by to a company in the city that I knew because I've been here lock my wife's from the area. But I didn't know it well enough. So I let the idea kind of simmer and just sat there and bubbled for a couple of years while I continue to do consulting work for the Red Cross. And slowly. But surely, I put together the idea on Viking biking. I knew where I needed a shop roughly how many bikes I want to start with based on the budget. I had I had tested the roots. And I mean tested I had I had ridden variations of what is now. Our main bread and butter toward the also highlights probably fifty times before I ever settled on a final route. Right. And then even tweaked it after the first two seasons each time now or set, but ultimately hundreds of rods to get that exact wral. Right. It's work. But it's fun work right to just liking over and over and over and go. Whoa. What's down that road? If I take a left there. What if I take a right there? And so I spent these years where I was a consultant with the Red Cross getting everything ready. So that when I could launch it. It was ready to go at full speed ahead because Geneva was gonna launch it. Unlike a kind of on a side side-hustle basis, like, you know, Uber drivers or side. Hustlers. That's what I was going to this commitment. Side-hustle? And I'd see if it could grow Bahira just decided to kind of jump into Ben. Yeah. But that's because I had a few years to think about it. And I had my experience in Geneva plus a couple of years here. And by that time, I was on three and a half years into the thought process had everything registered good business plan friends helping out and so I was ready to take the jump and I did and so- June. First two thousand twelve we open for business. Well, what did that they feel like for you? I guess I should have some Woody response about it. Or remember it? I don't so much. It's funny because the days leading up to it were heavy training days with the new guides. I had hired staff, and I was taking them out on the routes. Was this all money that you had saved all self-financed? Yeah. That's scary. Yeah. Oh my God. How much can? I mean you off. I'll was it. You know, tens of thousands of US dollars. Okay. Yeah. Hi, tens of thousands. We started with fifty bikes. That's a lot of bikes to buy. Yeah. Plus, I had a shop that I had to put a deposit on to rent. I had no financial history with this company. And you didn't pay a lot up front. You know? So the guy who owns the building was like, yeah, we'll take you on can pay nice sizable deposit, pay six months of rent up front, and I just bought fifty bikes and I had six members and the first year. Was like the it was the best of times. It was the worst of times as it is running any type of company, let alone a tourism company. That's weather dependent. Right. And we had one of the worst summers in the last fifty years in two thousand twelve it rained almost ninety percent of our first two months because I think I was that's when I first came here, and it was just weeks of rain and cold. Yeah. We literally were wearing wool sweaters sitting in the shop because the heat turns off, you know, at a certain that you can't turn heat on inside the building anymore. And then turns on again wrecks on the Tober. I saw in the middle of July. We were wrapped up in wool blankets. And we'll sweaters because it was thirteen degrees in rating thirteen celsius, whatever that's fifty five degrees where you were you, and that's not all my God. I ran a debt of four hundred thousand kronor that first year. That's the equivalent of like the seventy s I'm like that. Yeah. Yeah. So I read forty fifty grand US dollars. So I had eaten up into basically all my savings. Luckily, my wife always profitable the first year nor the second year, but had turned corner. Yeah. I didn't start living comfortably until last year. Wow. Some of that was a decision which was I wanted to make sure that other actress didn't try to come in. I always had this fear that there are other actors are going to try to come in and take my place, and there are other small bike tour companies. And I in a way I work with them. We try to partner up together and fill different gaps in the market that works fine. But I was always very that. There's gonna be some big win though, it's gonna come along. And so I kept scaling up. So I said pay myself, I kept by more bikes. And right now we next season. We'll have nearly two hundred bikes you're investing in the business. So investing the business instead of in myself and was just getting by by the hair like my chimney, Chen Chen, and then last year, it turned a corner in this year, and so much of it was that first year was just a horrible weather and every summer since it's been fine and normal nice Scandinavian summer, and this summer was this summer was to summer of all time it kind of compensated for that first season that we were open. So it was it was taking a passion and turning into a profession. But that's much more glamorous sounding that isn't reality. There's a lot of ups and downs. Or sleepless nights can I make payroll you have three kids in the time that I've opened this company. There's plenty of nights where everyone else goes to bed at ten thirty. I work until one thirty at home answering emails and sending out bills and paying bills. And then when the kids are sick and is up at night, and I wake up the next morning at six having slept an hour and a half two hours of the night. Go out the next time on tour for six hours. Like, there's there's low times and tough times too. When you start your own business, and that is universal at doesn't matter. What industry you're in? What country you're in? It's tough the benefit of it is that I think. At that point. Now next year. I plan to have an office manager who takes over a lot of the tests that I don't like because I started this zella biking, and I'll people and now we have Viking hiking. So we also do nature walks through Oslo's, great nature out on the islands island hopping or up in the wilderness in the market and the forest. And that's what I wanna do. I wanna be out in the wilderness showing people moose tracks. I wanna to be biking to the beaches and jumping off see cliffs and swimming. I want to be going through the world's largest sculpture park on park on. You wanna do the fun part of? Yeah. And so I always thought I would get to that point. I thought it would be faster. I had a plan that it'd be after five seasons. Yeah. This was my seven season. Okay. So it's going to be on the eight season that I can really turn over. I think the administration of the company over to someone you think the the fact that you start a business around something you're passionate about carried you through those tough times. Yeah. I think so if I had just been sitting on a computer if my business were just kind of doing something office based out of on crazy 'cause that does not fit my mentality. It's one of the reasons I delete her across the organization that I love like I bleed Red Cross I loved them with my heart. But at the same time, it's still very much computer based work and drove me crazy. And so mentally was that of a traveler, right? I mean, you share that with me, and there's a certain freedom to doing your own thing. Yeah. So I think by being able to do my own thing in something that I was passionate about those two factors. What kept me going. Yeah. Being able to do what I want just choose. Okay. This is how I'm going to run my business. I'm making the decisions and the buck stops with me, and I had all accountability. And I like that. And that it was something that I enjoyed doing which was being outside in nature and Viking info. Bike broke down. I like increase in my hands and fixing it not so much anymore. Don't have time to in the beginning in the first few. It was it was so varied and diverse that even though the times were tough still when I was in shop here helping customers bike rentals fixing bikes are out on tour. I still loved it. Even if it meant sleepless nights because men are earning enough to do payroll, which we always did. But barely. So. Yeah, that passion helped me through it was one of the two factors. And also, I just don't like having a boss that that. Yeah. That's a good indicator for being your own business person. Yeah. Yeah. One of the big patterns that I've noticed seems with you as that. You've you have been able to have a hyper awareness around the things that you like, and then you're designing your lifestyle around that whether it's your business or where you're gonna live or what you're going to do from the young age going into saying I wanted to humanitarian work and be over in Europe and doing that. And I just think intention is so important when you want some kind of lifestyle or you want to do something that seems really big and you hold onto that and take it as a truth rather than just some sort of. Oh, this is just a random idea. Like, I don't know if I could ever do this. But if you take your dream seriously, and you make choices that are like revolved around them. I think that's. Really powerful way live, and you can I must say manifest those things because you put in the work, but. It. It's interesting. You say you put in the work. I this new deal if you just work hard enough, or whatever I don't think it's completely true. I think there is you can work as hard as you possibly can. But without a good plan that worked doesn't necessarily get you ahead. If you have a great plan. But then you don't work hard at all at it. That's not going to get you. You actually have to find the right balance. Because if you just focus on one or the other. It's not gonna take you down the right road. So yeah, I actually did have I think I've often had quite a visionary plan of what I want to be doing in life and put into practice, and then I worked hard, but you also have to realize it some points running your own tourist business in a foreign country and foreign language. You can burn out. He sometimes have to back off and say, I'm working too hard. Same thing that you can have you can plan to every single detail. But sometimes you have to almost be willing to let it go have other people that you work with spread their wings and take it over, and they have ideas, and you don't plan every little single detail and become willing to kind of take a left turn when you thought you were going straight type thing. So there is finding a balance I think a lot of people who are kind of almost like professional travelers ex-pats you have to learn that right balance of it looks glamorous. But actually, it takes a lot of work in a way. But it also involves some planning it's not just all luck where you end up. It's a different type of lifestyle than just you know, if we had stayed where we grew up. It's a different type of lifestyle that I think actually involves a little bit more planning and thinking it through and figure out how you want to turn this kind of crazy idea of being an international traveler and international tourism and turn into a lifestyle. It doesn't come just with hard work. It comes actually with having a plan on hand. Like, how am I going to do it? Right. Writing out. I mean action fifty page business plan is what I have got fifty page business plan to make this company off the ground. Yeah. And so there and seven years. Yeah. And so you do have to I think it's a type of lifestyle that requires you can look into it. But I don't think is sustainable you've you do have to plan it out alternately because it doesn't just fall in your lap. It's an unusual lifestyle that we lead in the ways you sometimes have to remember that that feels very normal to us. But for the vast majority of people, it's not normal. It's normal to just sit in a bike shop and chat with you. With a couple of microphones. Yeah. Yeah. Exactly. Yeah. Yeah. Exactly afternoon. It's it's not going to do if it's the lifestyle that you want and it's not for everybody. But if it's the lifestyle you want it involves a little bit more planning than a regular nine to five job in suburban Philadelphia that can just come to you naturally. This is a lifestyle choice that doesn't just have to fall from the trees it does. And so if you want it kind of to go out and get it it's not gonna for most people. It's not just going to land in your lap. When you were designing the experiences, and you were doing the the fifty rides Janet tune and everything did you during that process become closer with the city with Norway. Did you build a relationship with Norway by doing that my appreciation for Norway's grown each year? And I don't know if that is from being out in Oslo, which really is a great city to be active in it's one of the greenest cities in the world, arguably the greenest as a percentage of its landmass you're talking like sixty five percent of Oslo. Protected greenspace. So if you like the out biking and hiking, it's ideal. And so when you're out every day, and you're not sitting in the office, you appreciate the city more and more and more like it fits my lifestyle at same time. I have kids and the skin and even social system makes you love Scandinavia when you have kids, you know, the nearly three daycare and the right now, my wife is on maternity leave. Yeah. And we're going to be in the US for much of the rest of November. When we get back. I go paternity leave all the way until may even though I run my own company. I get paid to be starting paternity leave and. April. So okay. Oh, man. You could could you start at like a month or two earlier, then we'd have more crossover? So we can do pop up Hamid six weeks because I got one month crossover. So I've got these dreams of put my kid in the little ski sled. Yeah. And then I'm going to cross country ski him around in. What's called the Pook, which you must of course know about where you put the little kid in the whole the whole setup. Yeah. Strap it around your waist, and you actually pull the sled while you're skiing cross country skiing to do that yet. I just got good enough two years ago, which is crazy. I can downhill ski, but I have a really hard time without those edges going downhill and cross country ski anyway, it's all. So Norway my appreciation for Oslo in my appreciation for Norway. It's grown over the years. And I don't know how much of that is that mentors them. Yeah. And you just get good feedback from people all the time. My God the city's got so much nature. Can't believe we're just jumping off rocks into the sea. I can't believe we're seeing moose tracks are seeing moose or swimming in one of the three hundred forty three lakes. You know, it's got three hundred and forty three lakes and the feedback from customers is just so intensely positive. I think they feel like when they've been with us. They've seen kind of more like an authentic real Oslo, which is a city that's based on nature. Yeah. And they get out and explore that on foot on bike with us. And so that just makes me appreciate it more. But then there is also the fact that men this system works really, well when you've got kids, and you learn to appreciate it. Yeah. So I think it's a two pronged reason that I continue to have year by year and increased appreciation for Norway and Oslo, which is great because. In Geneva is like there's a diminishing returns starting to go down after a certain period of time. And for me, it's continued to go up here. It wasn't a love it for site. Now. I liked Iowa. I like Norway from the beginning. But it doesn't. Wow. You like the same page as you. Yeah. You don't walk through Oslo immediately. And think oh, this is a classic European city. You know, it's kinda like at least when I first got here too in about the year. You started fighting biking, and what the city was then what it's now is kind of like. I mean. It was fine. Yeah. And but then like you said it does grow on you or you grow into its. I'm not quite sure I think it fits. I was I was talking about how the longer I've been travelling the more. I start to appreciate cities that are livable. Yeah. No matter where they are in the world. That's true. And that's also it's a city for people who create a liveable city when you come here, and you think well, everything works. The coastline is beautiful you can swim in the heart of the downtown port the water's clean, you can drink from the rivers and the force of Oslo. You know, you can take your kids to farms because there's farms all around Oslo and just see animals ten minutes from where you live. You don't have to drive Liam the car and tried to same. Here's the animals, and you don't have to get in a car and drive fifty minutes an hour to get to a petting zoo or something like that you walk around the corner you go to your neighborhood farm in a city. It's it's crazy here. An I bike through farms on tour numerous times per week where we're going past sheep and goats and cows and horses, and then we end up at sea cliffs and beaches, and it's all literally just a stone's throw from the downtown. I mean, I'm talking big in this case where it's I'd say it's part of the city central showing. I mean, it's right there, and it's just a whole different world. And so you you grow into appreciate in the city because it's a extremely well thought out city, and they're planning it with a purpose. On the rise. But it doesn't it doesn't hit you like going to Prague or Rome. No was just has the historic downtown that overwhelms you right. But then when you're there you start to think living here could be a little bit chaotic the trash doesn't get collected the car. Traffic is crazy the home horns are honking. And then I often end up coming back to hear and thinking. I like it here. So if you're on your tranquil place. Yeah. It is. And it's a city. That's as we say Norden. That's what it is. Yeah. That's. Going on in the region depends on who you ask. My wife would say it's pretty stagnant. These days because I work mostly in English and French I've led a French customers, we speak mostly English in the home when the kids are awake. And then we only switch over through Norwegian. Once our youngest is asleep, which is around nine keep your language skills. And so hard time doing that with my wife. I just stay on the English yet as lazy from about nine to eleven PM every night we speaking region, but that's it. So hard fast rule. So you can improve your language or is it just is a habit. You guys have developed now. I'm just asking my questions. I. My wife just starts speaking to me Norwegian, I think she has the need to speak Norwegian tornado. She speaks perfect English basically thinks she's almost America when you speak to her her written English is probably better than her written or region. Even she went to high school in English did most of for university in English masters in English works in English. But still no region is your native language any crop here. So there's a comfort level, and I think there's also a certain fairness that goes with most of our relationship we've been together for twelve years. Most of our relationship has been in English. It's nice to have a little bit of balance. If we have arguments, she speaks Norwegian. I speaking English then we're on fifty fifty equal ground now, which is real nice for arguing another now. You're so it's good. We should probably argue in Norwegian because I just can't think of the words, and I can't be as quick. So then my anger dissipate. Yeah. And you can't say, yeah. You're just like, oh, well, what are we even fighting about again? I just couldn't even think of the phrase, whatever forget it. That's funny. Yeah. Been there and done that. I think I'm going to institute that rule with her when the last kid goes to bed it's going to be full on Norwegian. It works. You know, I slip in English. Sometimes there's no doubt. But for the most part I'd say from nine to eleven PM. It's eighty five percent Norwegian. Yeah. That's pretty good. I am I regions good, by the way. My my French is probably still a touch better. Okay. Well, then you're Britain written or region is better than my written. Fringe is said you worked in French so Norwegians only touch less than that's that's stellar. Oh, it's good. I mean, I can sit around the table with all Norwegians and have good jokes and alone dinner, and the and the moment being the moment and just that's that's not a problem. It's not a problem from for me. My light language has always been a struggle for me. But I've really enjoyed the process of learning. It's and then getting it really has connected me closer to the culture and huge way. All right. So I mean, we started getting the topic of Oslo, and as we're kind of getting to the end of this. I I would be remiss if I didn't ask you about more about Oslo, and what are some of the things people should see you're like, why should people come to Oslo? You mentioned all the hiking and the biking in the nature, I want you should say because I have been thinking about this not really to this pug. Cast but Oslo in thirty six hours was just in the New York Times. Yeah. I opened up the link. I haven't read it yet. I've read it it struck me as someone writing at trying to do none of the main tour sites, and I don't think it is also thirty six hours. It's awesome. Thirty six hours for someone who's been here for seventy two hours already, right? The right. Those are what you do on day four five and six to a certain extent, it's tough to say. But when you're tourist meant be tourist to a certain extent, right? Most people they just want to fit in with the locals, and that's why jump on a bike biking's grab. It was going to set. You can get to see the sights. But then there's this. You're not on a big red bus. Right. And so you still have to see the main sites. There's a reason they're the famous sites. You don't go to Paris without seeing the Eiffel tower and the show studies in the loop you need to see them. But then if you're there for longer, and you have time to explore deeper, then you go deeper into it. I find if you can jump on a bike or walk around you'll kind of soak in the vibe of the city as long as you're at street level. So even if you're going between the main tour sites, but you're doing it on a bike where you're walking or you're taking the local tram you just not doing it on like a typical bus tour. You'll soak in that stuff that you don't read about guidebooks because that's between the main tour sites. Right. But he's still got to see the mentor sites. And if you come to Oslo, and you don't see vigilance Parkin, the largest culture park by anyone artists in the world. One of the craziest pieces of public art. You'll ever see. I mean, you've you've seen her inspiring place and people still mostly for two is the naked park on our tours. It's just hundreds and hundreds of naked statues. It's a bit overwhelming. If you don't see it. I don't feel like you've seen the best sites of Oslo in. I read the comments on that New York Times article where a lot of people were saying never once mentioned largest culture parked by the artists in the world. How can you not do that? It's like going saying good in Newark and go to central park. Right. You go to central park if you're a tourist just try and go to cool by not. Yeah. Yes. And so to me that thirty six hours article was a great article fund. How it's written didn't agree with all points in it. But nonetheless, fun, if you've already been in nozzle few days, but if you haven't been in also a few days, you've got to see the sculpture park. You've got to see the modern harbor, of course, which she does recommend in that article of the New York Times, but you also have to get out in the nature. It's something I've found plenty about the thirty six hours. It mentioned how this is such a green city, and if you wanna send also you to know, the nature, and then she just talks about kind of didn't hipster areas that you should go to that are cool, restaurants and bars, experienced, the nature and also you take metro on one and you go to the top at Shepton past the Holmenkollen ski jump, and it's this one of those beautiful old wooden buildings in Oslo. Your nearly. Fifteen hundred feet or nearly five hundred meters above sea level, and you've got the fjord and city stretching out dozens of miles below you. You've got the wilderness in the lakes behind you. If you're there at the right time of year, and what time of day, you might see some moose, and then you just go for a walk and you're out in the wilderness, and you'll understand where that peacefulness also comes from this. You can be in the heart of downtown Oslo, and you still here no horns, and it's quiet, and peaceful, but you're in touch with nature get out to the coastline you can find secrets to jump off. You can find little hidden beaches, be careful, which won a lot of more clothing. Optional out on big day each come across the u turn around the one. Hi, hello. Just keep walking on like nothing happened. But you find your own little scuppered hidden piece of nature in. It's very few cities in the world. I've been to a you can have your own little hidden piece of nature, and also you can have thousands and thousands of kilometers of your own hidden HMO. You are talking literally tens of thousands of paths within Oslo's Monica or this urban forest. So if you visit Oslo, and you just stick to maybe a little bit of what's cool new urban hip recommendations, you're missing so much of the city. You you've got to see the Holmenkollen ski jump influence chessmen to main tour sites up in the forest if you don't see the force you haven't seen. Also, you got to get out to big today with its coastline. And it's got the great museums the Viking ship museum. I love the frame museum. That was read on a couple of years ago to me, it's the most interesting and interactive of all the museums out there. But how can you come to Oslo in? It's the only place in the world has good Viking ships. That's it. There's no other city in the world the has real well preserved Viking ships, the three best preserved Viking ships in the world are all one museum. And also, and you go and see them they're from the your eight hundred man, eight hundreds. It's funny because we just had friends in town, and we went to Viglen park. Yeah. To the Viking ship museum. You gotta do it on the. Yuk? Yeah. And they're great sites. There's a reason they're popular. They are great sites. The difference in Oslo as you can visit these sites, and it's not like going to the Coliseum. It's not going to affect our. There's not a million other people there. It's a little bit off. The beaten path is discovered tourist destination is also it's hot it's up and coming. It's very much on the radar, but it is not like going to Prague, no or Paris or Barcelona. You can feel like you're on your own and also quite easily. You can also be unlucky and go to the Viking ship museum when there's three bus groups of Chinese tourists that all show up at once. And they take over the museum with a two hundred and twenty people showing up at one time, get alone lucky. But you can also go to that Viking ship museum at times where there is thirty other people in the building. Yeah. Peak season. Peak season. That's great. And so you have to see these major sites that are major sites for reason. And I recommend you to in any city. And then if at night when the major sites are closed, then you hit some of the cool urban hit hot spots. They're often available. At eight PM at night. But I'd say you've got a go vigilance park. You gotta hit the Viking ship museum and out in big to you. Gotta do the harbor end. Get up into the forest you've got to get home. Unkown ski jump the city on STAN top that Holmenkollen ski jump or at Chesterton it. I haven't heard RAD dropped in a long time. It is. It is pretty RAD. It really is. So you just got gotta gotta do some of the Victoria sites, and then fit some of the lesser known stuff as part of the journey in between them grab a bike. And then you can see all the lesser known stuff as you're making your way from the sculpture park to the museum. Then you all of a sudden end up biking through a farm as we're talking about. And you do randomly you end up going down some beautiful streets at have gorgeous new classical architecture from the second half eighteen hundred set you would have seen otherwise. So if you can get about like, a local, but still see the main tour sites, you kind of kill tubers with one stone. And if you need a bike or a guide biking. Hi, we got you set up here. Man biking biking. Viking biking, Oslo dot com. I can hear Curtis is the man he knows what he's doing. And it's an amazing way to see the city. So if you come down to judge ration-, I hire people. I think a lot of stakes hiring good staff. So. Let's get that clear. That's awesome, man. Thank you so much for your time. And yeah, check these guys out if you come through Oslo, and I always tell people look look me up. Now, they can look you up to if after town, can, you know, would love to always nice to meet listeners from this podcast when they come through towns, a pleasure, and we're team of experts at work. You're also have similar stories, and we relate to other travelers and experts so just stop in. Anyone is what a great thing to be a traveler, and then to be around that international flavor are getting to meet people from all different countries. Which is one of the best parts of traveling to me is you got like meeting the locals and being in the place and the physicality that we talked about and the culture there and everything like that. And then you've got the other side, which is meaning the other travelers in the international vibe, and you get to meet people from all over here. Biking biking. Yeah. And you you have set yourself up with a business that you get to be around that international flavor every day. I mean, what a what a big difference? It makes to show. To work have that chance. It's one of the reasons demand. It's great. I got to places in my heart for work. I got one that's Red Cross and one that's biking biking carry them to the grave with me. Lem both. Yeah. It's awesome, man. Well, congratulations and everything, and hey, man, we gotta hang out a little more. Now that about a we're connected here. Absolutely. And I always high five these things out when when you're in person. Can I say one less thing, which is go Sixers trust the process? Hey, I just for you. My man. There you go on high on my eagles t shirts forgot to reveal it the big reveal at the end. So thanks, man. Thanks for Philadelphia in Oslo. Thanks. Let's go grab a cheese steak. See if I. There you have it. My chat with Curtis in the bike shop, I loved that setting just being surrounded by all those bikes and being around traveled even in a city that I live in you can always get around travel when you're around other travelers and talking about this stuff. That's the beauty of the podcast. I think and this whole community that we've built up here that you're apart of this year to travel caravan just being around travel, even if you're not traveling right now is such a wonderful thing because it's part of us. All it's great to talk about. It's great to be around. And I wanna thank Curtis for his time. Look forward to catching up with him when I get back to Oslo. And now, I have to share with you, those two favorite things that I love about beach towns, I was gonna say one, but I'm going to share to one is related to this podcast. This is the number one thing cruiser bikes cruiser bikes, you know, with the big fat seats in the white handlebars cruiser bikes. Are always in and around good beach towns because everything's flat. Right. There's no mountains. The climbs you only need one gear you can get on a big cruiser bike you can pedal on your flip flops. It's just such a good feeling if you've been on a cruiser bike at the beach. You know what I'm talking about? You could smell the salt water. You're just cruising. You've got the wind in your hair. You're just cruising. I mean, it's called a cruiser bike. I mean, can you come up with a cooler name? No, I don't think so so cruiser bikes there. I wanted to share that with you because we were talking bikes today and the other things is a little bonus. Honorable mention I guess, I would say is beach bars and grills beach bars and goes, we don't even have to be beachside went to a bar and grill today called Frenchies great name Frenchies outpost. And you know, these these barn grills that have fresh seafood just like a bar and grill, it's not a fancy restaurant. But then they'll have the most amazing seafood. I had a grouper sandwich today fresh from the ocean, or they could be those beach shacks where you can get milkshakes and grilled cheese and things like that anything like that those beach stands bars and grills are beat shacks where you can get food and is cream and stuff like that. Love those things. I, you know, I'm starting to get tore now because I'm a mountain guy. But I love the beach too. I don't know. That's why we travel right? So we can go to all these places before. I let you go. I'm gonna leave you with a quote, I I wanna quickly. Thank once again, Pimm. Slur was pointing today show zero travel dot com slash easy will take you to a link where you can get access to a free seven-day trial to Pim's slurs monthly subscription service. Now, what does this mean, it means instead of spending hundreds of dollars to get all the lessons in a language? You wanna learn you can actually pay up low monthly fee, just like you do for Spotify or Netflix, and you can get access to all the lessons of whatever language you want to learn, and you know, what they're letting you try it out for free for seven days. Just go to that link zero to travel dot com slash easy. And you've got the hookup is a great way. To learn a language on the go through audio. 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Episode 103: Alec Burks
Hey, Richard fan. What better way to start your day than with a fresh episode from the Cleveland crew and other opportunity to not only listen to stories told by current NBA players, idols, influencers, etc. But here's another reminder of just how evergreen in unique our platform or the is a lot like that of George hill or Larry Sanders from a couple years back. Alec Burks who spent some time in Cleveland, wearing the wine and gold set down with Channing J, Mike and angel just days before he was traded to the Sacramento Kings, talking just about anything, you can imagine we take this time now to flashback to genie wary from some time spent with the Cleveland crew in this week's episode guest. Alec Burks might take it away or John Michael here with angel gray in the godfather of the godfathers. One of the godfathers Channing Frye. Money. How are you? Up kissed him ring. And the one we have your joining us who may or may not kiss the ring as Alec Burks. How are you? I'm good, you know, cooling. Much great have you? Join us Kansas City, Saint Louis. Remember diddy? Quick question. I posted a picture of you being on his podcast. Somebody wants to know what's up with those pink shoes. And where can you get? My data's dot com. Wasn't a some aboard made the suits. And he's made thank shoes might make shoes. I like the Lao other. And then everybody keep asking me about it now. So you gotta wear pink shoes. All time. Yet, the latest broke what kind of shoes were these again, the Dame EDNA here, bro. Say that my Nikes have never yet. They've never broken, and I'm lucky where to save Nike's for less three months everyday practice running. I actually walk in snow in them. And they're still good just kidding. But this has they're still kinda loud. Now. That may the Nate on colon line know, what does that mean? But. Shoes right now your favorites? Easy loves this. Yeah. I think these these color way is pupil these. Yeah. Right. These. What are those called forgot what the name of these? They're like original yeezy kind sneakers or you had the seven hundred with neon laces rang the mile one moves talking on the bus the Browns. Wait, why did you sign? What is not Nike money? Reese check with about it. Definitely ragweed. Okay. What what what college? Did you go to because not? Nobody knows shit about you university. Voda offers. Did you have I wanna K state November mourn? Oh, yes. Crazy. He was. He left maybe a year before my two years, and I just wouldn't my scene. So no. So what is your seen? Mr. Burs got around the world. At the time. That's why I needed to be at and then worked out, it's interesting. I mean, we see Alec for the for seven and a half seasons in Utah. And you think quite guy, you know, maybe need to get to know him a little bit more. See what makes you tick few at the list, the top three things that you liked to do like what you hype. All right. I'm right. Oh, no like golf spades. You play. No. Play. I like barbecue as player are your. The ice Levin. Great partner too. I wanna. I like barbecue from Kansas City. I like shoes only Kansas City bar only candidate by low to the course. Okay. I'm okay. You're not gonna like this. What kind of ribs? Do you get isn't paying long? How today I might get sandwich snap. How do you not saying Lewis? It's a Kansas City. No matter what. Burnings might get a sandwich. Just depends on how. And there is one person you and wake up at five in the morning and go to breakfast with who would it be? Live man. But Jay Z you breakfast Jason them on by today. Is there anybody? I mean, you guys are accustomed to people seeing you and going crazy. Oh, there's Alec Burks. There's Channing Frye. That happens all the time with you guys. Is there anybody who you have met who you felt that way around or that? If you did meet them in the future, you'd think you might react that way. Is there anyone out there like that Jay z, right? Obama wanted to I think about maybe he's cool. Okay. Big town, definitely, bro. About Jay z is the main manage everything fan of his lyrics. Just a way like he moves, you know, a lot about them because low key kinda like meat, so, but he still is a big Time Warner's saying, what do you know, what tank seven is tanks? That's a beer it's a city. What about this? Joe's barbecue sauce about that. Okay. Are you just saying that because you said Kansas City things I'm assuming you're listening to a Kansas City party? And they're all Kansas City. One of them was tank seven beer, I think so I wouldn't know about this is true boulevard tank, seven farmhouse. So if you let your boy said, hi, it's not that far. And then Joe's barbecue sauce was my cousin says is unbelievable. Good Joe semi sound. Got tested myself said Alec Burks. Okay. That's all I had to say. There's more to see than what you just said. For this. They don't. City. What do I want? I gotta go downtown to the plaza area. But have we have barbecues shines barbecue, whatever you want. You got shopping basic. Nine. No name is over all. Sports can't see this very country. But it's you know, it's just everything is ready to just it's everything. Gritty. I mean wanna raise? So it made me want him that every part of cancer well hospital were you born that kids aspe- they? Yes, the worse. It's a major candidate. It is. What is I mean you from that? You know, you're not from that you got to take visit. Oh, jeez. Fan. I'm guessing devastating as we can get roughing the pastor's reaction is heartbreaking. That's what it is. But it may Brady Bill and peg Mahone is going to be it'd be. Yeah. Goat being his name. Right. Howdy skiffs curry last. Mahoney. Hayes go. Washing. First game angle hate them was saying Lewis girls from now. Starting at least. So what do you feel about the worse? No, call at the end. I saw I mean should been called. It's been everywhere to say, you know, they made it's an article like in section went seventeen article two or something like that where you can replay it the entire game or from that point. Do you think that's something that she chance? God's green. Here's one open up the biggest this all do something to the referees right there. One one or two people that are in trouble. Now if you replay that game you risk injury for either team craziness and you allow the players to have more power than what they should. So he said, hey, mistakes are made all game Bubba, blah, blah, blah. It's fine. It was a big play. This should have been called. It wasn't. We're upset. Sorry. Congratulations to the Rams who end up scoring anyways. So yes, bad calls are made fumbles are made mistakes are made. But if you go back and replay that game, and let's say do breeze breaks his need not happen. But let's say something happens to them. Now. What happens we should've never done? This regard. It's ludicrous regardless because then where do you draw the line? How big this is the play to be where the game does this have to be craziness craziness. But it was unfortunate didn't leave. With a bad taste in your mouth. I think it was such a great day of football man to overtime for SEIs Lee. What you think you want as a football fan yet at the end of the day. It was just disgusted with both games. Right. I think you look at the NFL in whether they like it or not NFL's product is being our and say poison, but I'm going to use the word is really dirty right now like the NFL cannot just play good football. They can't promote their players as the NBA canned and is becoming tougher and tougher. I think they're behind the times there are so many good NFL players. How is JJ watt? How is endowed Cassou? How is Tom Brady? Not bigger than what they are. Like, Tom Brady's huge. He should be. Lebron? But he's not like how this man is bent to the Super Bowl. How many times each going for six? He's going for a six craze patriots into the AFC championship game eight straight years think about that. But there's like survey are basically. Our generations almost the best sports team. Would you disagree say it again, our generation's best sport team? The two thousands the our generation's turn. Okay. So does this team? Not get more credit. Everybody on that team should be on every car bore like every cereal aid thing. No one wants players on one hand in the NFL the fest than Tom Brady. It's been a rotating cast really over the last eight season. But I couldn't agree with you ten years ago. I thought the NFL was the gold standard could do no wrong before the concussion, quote, unquote, cover-ups alleged cover ups and everything else that happened. And now the officiating is front and center is the only league that doesn't have full time officials. I mean, these guys are lawyers, and you know have. You know have office jobs during the week. And then on the weekend, they go and fish games calling games that important. I mean allocating could you think about in the NBA setting? I mean, I'm assuming that would turn your stomach if you're sitting out there was somebody who only does this part time who is acting agent everything that you do out there on the floor. Right. What do they like I'm glad when I see guys. Hey chang. What's up man, you still shoot that both step back or your Steve step back? The other day. Grazing. We don't shoot enough threes. Anyway, this dunk was crazy. Joe? Thoroughly enjoy. Oh, my weight is he oh, no. I have to dump it thought as the ball was coming. I said oh shit. Get your legs. Ready are your ankles mobilized. Have you done your actor Bachchan? There's a big checklist that goes into Dunkin. You know, what I was looking at two when you were making the flip sounds like please shoot the ball. Because when you actually pass it to you the corner, I was just hoping it was to a player. No. But guess what? Since my thing happened is having six more times and. Right. What happens is we have to do this epidemic. And. Not wear the same color warmups. The game. We're wearing black believable. He's he's completely right? Dreaming. On the bench. Because. For people who don't drip, very well. Look down the dribble. Okay. Yes. I looked down at dribble. I shouldn't be anyway. But I'm driven boo. Boo. I see something flash up, Pat. You know, I'm putting it out there. Right. Like Magic Johnson. But it's an wrong person. So it's having to a lot of people money on time. We'll talk right would have been three. You talk about getting your legs ready. You're joking about activating getting ready. I mean, it's not a joke serious. The minute. I Sweden we've worked together for a while. You have you ever old car sitting idle for too long? Oh. Big truck bay, right? A truck that. We go run over some stuff. Ios goose going to get going. This. WD forty. You know, you gotta do a little pump gas six times gift to give the low handle a switch sprayed it carburetor. Oh, do that on my sixty five legged continental every time. Do you have any old school cars, I won't one on the future? What do you mean you want one in the future? I want to in the future. As a compliment. I'm gonna tell you this. Right. That was a compliment you have more than enough money. I know 'cause all ready, right? Okay. What are your cars? I got a. Got a g wagon. I got a pickup truck. So okay. Okay. Pickup truck fifty what kind of plan shale big town. Like you. She getting that one day. Or is it just a recognized? And then I got a nailing escalate was it Dinelli and ask was this a ludicrous? The world's got key kid. Got a kid, man. I gotta ask Dr this. Young money. Ms young money. All self made it just give Trump right trust a big thing for you early in the league cars. Yeah. Just had like because you think like I lived in New York. So at a truck and that truck was like get driven around. Because obviously you can't drive yourself in New York. It's almost impossible. I'm not east coast. Then when I went to Portland two or three. Phoenix three or four and now right now, it's one two three. So now, we're five so I have to old schools. I've landrover d ninety the only is tight as to why I got my Lincoln continental. And then I have my truck my Shelby. And then we have the audi- that I've had since two thousand ten which I love the aid L is a great car. And then we have escalate so that's all our cars. And I'm like, I'm done. Good. Our nanny drives the Audie. I drive my truck. And then the two schools I drive like I d- ninety all the time. But because got fatty system. Drop top two done. Maybe. Oh. Do you have anything that's like which kind of call like he has a teepee? Is there anything that? You have. Of course, a gospel kind got a Rolls, Royce go I got a regular basic, what did male can't sit. Dude. I got show you my Gawker swear. It's a it's a four seater three in the front three in the back more than fourth. Well. What I had Dr thing up. It looks like it's a Rolls Royce. We got fixed up. The thing is bang. It's got a little system in basic, one nano, no, pension routers. That's how it is. It's like rules colors. You have at the golf course. Now live on Cassie. Okay. We'll color scheme. You can't have what? Right. I'd have platinum why it'd be basic shack. I lived at Iowa had to make rules, right? Because shack. A golf car with Rams on it as system on it. I heard they had to make rules. These are here. I had to make data make rules for shack. No motorcycles because he had hog. So he would take his hawk all down. Our that is two miles from gates back gate, and this is super elitist gated communities, the most beautiful area ever live in may ever live in man, they said he was going fifty. He also has a blue super blue his house is so big bits card. Sounds his house. Grant Hill's house subpar biggest houses I've ever seen in my life like. I'm like, hey. If Obama stays at your house. You know, you got you know, you gotta quit stays at g hills house don't whenever they go to permit shut down the lake front behind FBI agents all over that joint. Can you wrote anyone does her frie-? Hello. And a little thing that tells them based on my license plate surpri. So what you're telling us right now that you've been to grant Hill's house while the former President Obama was there. No, no. I don't go near the house when he did. Guy. That's the guy we played Phoenix together. He's a great great teammate. As actually like one of those towns players events are by far one of the two most talented players I've ever played with hands down because at thirty eight thirty seven thirty eight he was faster than everybody could defend most guys, and it was thirty five. And I'm like, please just let me just let me just make it a great teammates. Why jenny? I think grant was chill, but he also had like a little fire. Sometimes so like me last gamma guy, low fired up, but like I like that mind talking shit would buy like that he wants to talk shit like a records aren't the best right now with the fact that you care now to look at me dead in the eye. I wrote talk shit to you all day. Like, I just you know, there's certain things that I could see stuff conversation. But for me, I liked it. Like it shows patching. Patching. Interesting. Nobody played every day. Hey, buddy. How you doing good game? Sometimes fuck you, right? AB? MR specs. Facts than what he said. I was the last time somebody says something that's what I was gonna say anybody get under who who's the last person to get on your skin. If anyone. My daughter. Almost two euros be terrible to wait to script, sir. Do that's the I can't think of that person basketball. Just doesn't happen to you. You're not wired that way, would you say to me that's game. Let's come in my manhood. So so wait. So when you grown up where you always like this, quiet kind of weirdo. I'll just. I'll just. Thanks. Brown also graze cocky, all that. Now guess I'll know I only talk when I got something to talk about. I don't I don't talk about. I think we're opposite talking. Sometimes you know, what? I don't like quiet. I'm not used to quite. Yeah. Search your house. Do you just use like hand signal? Now me and my talking we'd be talking about. I'll be talking about my girl. She talked about I like to joke people, you know, that's fun. I've never seen this. We'd like. Joke. My lot. 'cause she's from Saint Louis. It's funny. Thing. You know, who's Colorado's rival Cairo state. That's the spam. Right. My freshman year. We didn't rush to court, you know, second would beat them. And then I left. Seventeen eighteen in college, no colleges. Unbelievable. If anybody ain't been accounted on this. Listen to this believe go ahead and greats two years was great debt party. In the debt and have a good go to college. Amazing experience if you didn't play basketball, what would have no idea. NFL that had to be like, okay. I'm also a lawyer, whatever do people know, it's really wasn't. No, let's let's be thing. I mean, obviously, obviously, I mean, you have to be happy with the way that going to the NBA when if you to do it over again because you enjoyed the college experience so much would you maybe say another year or two I might Leifer even is that. Right. Yeah. The NBA life is attractive totally different. Right. And just be able to take your fam- seconds. And at what point did, you know, you're like, I'm outta here. Who told you my freshman son chosen what happened just killing? I want freshman year. I was gonna leave my coach already twelve. Astor's was play Tricia myself when it would be really Trish interesting. Tristan? I dunno attrition. Okay. Okay. Okay. His freshman year. They were being us. There was no one in the country was being this halftime just came back and won. How did he play? TV's say his name. He played great. That's why he went four and four. I think they did go for four eleven Kyrie's every s- draft everyone fist. I remember I was in Phoenix in our GM was like yo l take Tristan Thompson number one right now if we had that pick and I was like who. Boy, bear stop it. Boy's man. Do you? Remember what the debate was back. Then it was all Derrick Williams. Yeah. Saying andrea. Do you like about him? This Burstow, especially at very athletic and that Arizona, he's a lot. So. Every man. Explosive human beings de rose. Even when he was with us is also explosive just off the ground like some guys float some guys like kind of just pop off the ground. But like an explosion comes from his being when he when he jumps up like. Of like you. Mine is at Trowbridge. Makes total sense. I used to be way more bouncier than I said, this is too much energy. So I'm very much. I'm like a koala bear. I like conservative until the last second like, I know like. I know like getting ready for. We're back to this does animals. Gonna talk about basketball. What is your favorite top five movies? Not to be random all are just one just talk up. Whatever you whatever you got is a houseboat. Oh, wow. That's good that guy. Yeah. Probably the great movie, which all time. Yeah. Either that I mean, what you say something like Shashank were not none. Then like that might. Okay. Okay. That's not too. How to belly? I'm not got. Billy there. It is shitty. Their rappers started new Jack city. Okay. See I'm a trip. The DEA on that. Probably dog Nago for. I do. I thing. Okay. One dollars very solid move five classics. They are classic. But all-time movie that and. Wash the that's on. Wow. Okay. Why did you like these movies? No, just like I relate to several worst. I. That was so dope away. Buddy played the role. I think it was to Capra. I was gonna say name because you've been going on. My name's I'm saying. Day. So. Scripture is no movie. Classics. I don't know. What's wrong? We looking at me like that. Yacht class, which ones all of well, I guess I'm used to hear well, everyone's different. But I mean, I didn't hear any come into America or anything like that. Usually, they're good movie. What is no comedies in there? Oh comedy. Oh, yeah. You're right. You're right. You're is one two and three not four one two three four sales to threes aggressive addict threes wondering okay threes. Topic when they four that's one. I couldn't watch. That's that's. Didn't have to. Juice everybody. Didn't think you belly. You didn't say juice. Belly juiston? Our something like dark Knight Knight. And I said I'd do the right thing. Jay Z favorite top three artists. All time outs. Other than Jay z. The big fabulous fan. Okay. Okay. Bigly. Fab. Like biggie by wouldn't really around. I could you know time with John. Well, like biggie. How old are you? Wait twenty seven almost thirty. Right. A baby. You're right. Your eight year eight in the league, right? It's crazy knows. Remember your first game? Yeah. Cold. Oh. You may. No chance. Guarding him or couplets? I'll I'm gonna play we play my rookie year, but sort of mom, I'll see why they call my mom that day. So he catchers game. Play in Boston coaches like good during preseason Janney. Got you first game minutes. Okay. Coach. MP coaching. Oh, LeBron next game at home versus Dallas, Jenny. We're going to start you. Who Jen you have to dirt? First round eighth pick overall two thousand five NBA draft. Janez FRA follows said white T's. What was it? I mean, what air force wondered Chris this? Jan can you name it seven guys pick before you that your time in order. I'm ready. Go ahead in order. I'm looking. Cello villain the waves seven, right? You can go one through seven bogey to Marvin Williams right there. Are- daringly. Very good were Crispell. That's correct. Five Marta Webster Marta, Webster, went six. By the went five who. This. What team tell me to tell you the college or tell you the team that picked him Tina picked picture Charlotte still playing his right? Oh. Utah. Margaret Williams at UNC, Darren Williams, Illinois, Chris Paul Wake Forest, this guy Martell Webster, Charlie villain, away out of you. And then I GU Andrew bynum. Yeah. And then this guy what's arlando who never played Fran vast. Right Fram basketball done. He went eleven God who sue under the clippers twelve. He also never played. You're a slob. Coral of Arizona sounds like boxers. How's braces? Okay. Who was six? It was six he went to. He went to North Carolina. Oh, Raimo film. That's correct. We'll see huge back. I mean, not literally. But like. We love them in New York, which is shocking. I didn't think like Darren Williams, obviously, dare Williams skiers not. So here's a question. He was in Utah. This question savage. That's the question for you Darren Williams a and Utah wedding. Was there as a player be obvious? There's a lot of fallout with Jerry Sloan situation. I mean, how is Darren Williams still regarded right now what you say by the fan base on. I think they show them love. Now. I think they reconciling relationship. I think so I don't know. I wouldn't part of it. Everybody's gonna show. Jerry, Sloan Muheza cokes go. You know, he still goes to the games to this day. I think he was at the game. We just play the say, right? So I think is back to I don't think there's going to be what it was when he was at all star just because fellow right? It's still good. I mean, did you talk often to Jerry Sloan when you were every time he was around is that a lot of which is rare just show for me to come Sean that type of love everybody, all the other things. John's come back cards. Come back a couple of players that used to play back then that come around. So it was a lot. It's very family oriented over there. When those guys talked you do they ever wanna talk Xs and os, or is it just general stuff? I wanna say I try to help you out a little bit big, man. His message. I guess applies everybody Gye. He was excellent actually worked out with a couple of days, I flew to boozing Washington wherever I think Spokane wherever's Gonzaga that when we worked out a couple of days now some a lot what was it like playing? They're being the only game in town professionally species we like the beat of that wanna be is coming to town. Jay come to town. Right. Right. I don't think sure. So much love is like that is it's lighter. Backstreet? Boy, I'm not a. But we like that out there. I was I mean, everybody out there like that they show so much love to everybody. We promise that we wouldn't talk too much basketball. But let me ask you this. I mean, I I think you get moved from Utah. I mean, you've been around, you know, the business. What does that like for player who all he has known for seven and a half seasons of the NBA is you I think I dunno society at the same time as this week because I'm leaving somewhere. I've known seven have you get a new appetite needed to complete him? So get back with her. That's my man Utah. Getting no new people, you know, like my guy sitting across from so. He knows. Still looking. I didn't know that. Ocean though that goes on. I motion that goes through when you get that. When I got a call. They told me face a face who told you. The teaming coach Quin tell them face to face in Brooklyn and room. So I mean, just was where my family owned moves all that know, the little stuff expecting it. All not really not really what you never known his business. So it's pretty cool because you talk about how important family is to you writing hit, obviously just had twins. A boy, I mean, you guys are really close. And then you talked about Channing he has a family to do you guys go out or literally? Bother me. What are you looking at your game logs on basketball reference, right now, what in particular are you trying to find out when we play Boston? Oh, gosh. That's Austin or Dallas Boston talking. Oh your first in preseason. Right. It might have been pretty they. That's a little scary. Remember your first bucket? Hell, no. How many buckets I've got dirty. You know, what I remember this? I remember more stories. I remember going to my first game. Supposedly, maybe in my mind might be memento something, I don't know. Jamal Crawford going. Oh boy. You is your first game. I was like, yeah. He goes nervous. Yeah. Yeah. This is gonna go by so fast. And remember this moment is go by fast have fun. Relax, your good in. I was like. Okay. Cool. And then that's remember barbecue somebody else, but it was. But like, I always remember those moments, and then you know, remember telling every rookie first game. Like, hey, like, this is beginning of your new year new season, new everything like go by so fast almost fifty games down of year. Fourteen fourteen fourteen she just was a rookie, Eric. Who do say do do what you can? Could get hectic roof ass for you. So I learned. Colin in Jaren J B or good good rookies seen the worse. I in as my rookie point. He didn't wanna do nut. So they treat it as such. Hey, you don't wanna do the little you'll be I always go. Bobby? Don't want to do the little things like little thanks to me. Hey, Colin, I asked Colin, and I'm definitely that's I would say that's my rookie. I would say go get me. I needed charger for my Nintendo. Switch and give me to the newest games. Okay. Perfect bom. So now for the next two or three road trips my per diem. Hey, Colin, it's too cold. Take my luggage keep it till next day. Like, I don't feel like being out here in the snow. Okay. Whatever Colin I need adult electrolyte because I played twenty minutes or really hard workout or Colin go get pre workout, you know, whatever because I gotta run miles. Okay. No big deal. Right. That is literally it you could do that on your phone for those who aren't as with the NBA circuit. This is typical. I mean, this is experience. Being that you sit the rookies must do what you tell them to those who are a little bit newer to the game. I also tell him. You're totally allowed to tell me no on any of this like he was going to go. I think he left his car at the airport with my luggage. He was going to go to the airport now Westlake he lived downtown drive downtown to the airport that comes see me and west then go back down to him. I said don't worry about it. I'll come to Jena Morrow get an actual workout do whatever I got to put in my car for nobody deal. But like that's how it should be. You do me a favor. I'm going to respect your. I'm not like, I know guys like, Danny Granger. And who's the big fella? The big guy from Colorado member got drafted play for Indiana. Chris Coghlan Knoxville other do small arms. Yeah. Smart guy. Talk about life. Yeah. So atlantic. He broke a ram we are seventeen at a tournament broke a whole hoop because he is to seventy two bounce rain-wise. I guess they said Reggie Miller. He was a rookie. Reggie is last year. And was ready made him MO his law with the regular more. No, motor mower. And now imagine what. Reggie Miller's house aside in Indiana, two three hours and Reggie was out there with lemonade. He's your go. Give me some lemonade. Going house get lemonade comeback in David Harrison. Yes, David Harrison was absolute guerrilla. But did you have to go through your Ricky eighty pounds? I told you what bounce disgusting bounce. And mean what I have to go to. Yes. I games. No, no, no, no, no. They wouldn't do. My vets were pretty chill. I had motel like Morris Taylor. Jalen rose, Monique rose, obviously Jamal Crawford. I had Steph Marlboro he made me sit next to him sitting next to him wear in on an airplane punishment. No, just like, I watch fam- I want I want you watch found with me. So like, I appreciate like step. I think is very misunderstood. I think he likes Pocono bear as a personality. And I think he forgets how popular he is guys. Really like, he's re Steph is so talented. So like if people watch Steph Marbury film, like if you don't if you skip him doing vacillating or skip him crying or being a motion. Like Steph was so good playing bass. It was great. It was frustrating to be like when he wanted to go. Oh, he could easily get you thirty twelve and seven with two or three steals in when a game. But it was like a lot for him to be motivated. To like, not motivate. That's the wrong word to be engaged. I think when you're at that level. Sometimes it's too easy. It really is. And I think you know, what happens to a lot of guys. Now, I think a lot of guys now are not engaged daily where you know, you look at Russell Westbrook where he is extremely talented is the most talented guy NBA. No, there's guys thousand times one town to the him. But they're not engaged every game where he is an absolute savage every fucking every right every game that should have been the normal, Brooke guy at that level with that much talent. But it's not anymore. So when a guy like that place hard every game. Oh, he's he's he's a special talent. But you do not play hard game is crazy Barbara in ninety six to own nine. During that span averaged nineteen points per game, seven seasons of twenty points or more seven. Unbelievable, the grace. Yeah. And then to. To offer. It was one of my favorite players of all time, one of the all-time nicest human beings. I was devastated when he left in Atlanta. You know, this is this is a truth. I voted for him for six back when broadcasters had votes taking them away since because the reasoning is that too many contracts are related to that broadcasts work for teams or whatnot that we would vote for MVP. We'd book for six man. I voted for six man. He wanted sent me an Email today. All you. But nice people that guy blue here. Whatever player. He's absolutely just nicest angry, but. What's funny about him? Is like okay in the summer. Alec. What you do you like you have a plan like how do you work out? Do you just go who or do you just like to shoot shies workout a who try that who really work out? How about this guy does not? He started practicing. Spot shots literally for years ago. He has his own pro-am. Yeah. Seattle. And he goes every summer. So all he does to stay in shape who all the time. That's all he does all the time all summer. So you get your day. All just isn't. He. One of those. Within three minutes when he checks in checking it and he's coming back. They got one. I didn't play into one out. How was your scared too? Big time tipping Kansas because Cassidy who's. Are you mentioned to the city like that? Can you say during the summer, I think what part of cancer? I stay out about the wave out the ways. And because the ways of out the way I'm gonna bought a house out the way, it's moment. So it's. Say golf course out the maybe like twenty minutes from downtown. Well, how many children he's like that? Acre. The Goff was Honda. Isn't that crazy? I'm reading one hundred acres. How do you not have a hundred acres in Kansas? The real estate market must. You get thousand square foot house bought out. Sure. Yeah. They you know, that's the Purley. That's what we were talking. There's no place during the summer workout my friends. That's what racially is you know. You know? My my guys I grew up with, you know, you know. Any childhood with regular. They just they put like this state chance to show you how they supposed to be where you get into. University of Portland, Portland state, and like semi pro guys by like that because they might make thing. I tell them I said listen conditioning now, listen. My game on TV. Summertime. Gosh in the bay. I can't do it. Got time. You go. Get this silk, Nick. You don't get that do. But you didn't even know this core, forty points. How do those minutes? Oh. Oh, yes. It'd be an Osama. I know. And then I think. Stop shooting. It's a it's actually anybody on that team. That was at that practice were shot that coach Brown told me that at two thirty point games in a month. I was rookie of the Easter country the month. I think twice the next practice after we played Milwaukee one of those games at thirty right because Andrew bogut. Obviously sounds like. Oh, right. So he goes chanting. No more jumpers number face jumpers shoot threes. It was all face up watch jam. He was like they're going to scout. You and you need to get better at doing this so practice you see where Alex Alex is about ten feet away from me. That's what David Lee will guard me. Now, if I shot a shot coach would sub me out like Jenin Kacem side drive. The ball now coaches. He's right there. There's some realistic so staff and to mall, and Maliki grows like Channing shoot the ball. If it's going in these are good shots. Face J, hook shot fakes jumper games or practice now practice all right right by Tom and win the game. Like, I'm a big practice play. How I practiced whatever I practice. That's all I'm going to do it again. And I can't just make something that my body don't move because I've heard him say, I'm not rolling to the basket of a pop outback. Rolling unless it's a real. Let's go running start. You do it in summertime. Point. Series play like what Larry does that's our play during the summer. It's all the way to get in shape. Right. Because if I have the ball, I tell everybody were to go for the most part, and I get to practice passing the that's actually very happy about this year out. The does someone some hoop different. Sweet. Like this like, I got here nothing. So you gotta go at it in some, and that's all I just shot would on it just workout getting shaped get cardio. I'll be sprinting floor if you play like mid majors PSU what we base back at you. So Portland states a little bit more like one on one. Little more urban UP is definitely get ready for back screen passes. You know, what I'm saying to handed bounce passes shit like that? Right. But it's great to play both teams. Because then I'm ready for whatever you got a box out every time somebody's trying to dunk on you go to PSU or you get a box that every time because you've got a guy like sa- bonus back six seven of bonus, you know, these. But like, I appreciate that like summertime bump, man. It's fun. It is brings out character. You get to work on your moods. And people just I'm not about to be on nobody Instagram. I laid the so beca. Sure. Going back. You know, the internet everything days, there's only take one person to say, oh, man. They was doing this. And that I got I'm going, right? Maybe not even known, but somebody going to tell me about it got on Instagram. I got I got probably one hundred Twitter hundred maybe me. Thinking of Twitter breaks team. Or even. Got me a little stent on it. I got one hundred sixty one tweaks how many have Alec Hemery followers studio seven. Got mad is wait eagle. Seven thousand. About. Alec. Okay. Here we go we go. Switch us up. This is what we call because we've been here now. Some forty three two minutes. You ready focus focus on. Kalyk? Any superhero? What would it be? I'll be that count. Yes. Superpower. What would what would it be? What's the what's it called? Tele put my New England. I'm talking about could go anywhere anytime. Yeah. Right. What's your favorite food barbecue? What is your favorite part of barbecue? Which you mean like this? Why do you like barbecue to the ways made taste? What is your favorite barbecue piece of meat? Catholic brisket rescues made obvious like slice meat so many. I can choose one. Okay. I'm a little bit. This is your we're here for you, brisk. Would you rather be punched in the face? Bye, Mike Tyson or kicked it. Nets by professional soccer player. Kicked in. I no, I'm not get hit by Meiteis at okay? See what do? I'll be I'll take the coffee Cup with Tom, right? That'd be that'd be. Points. Rather get get one of your ears chopped off or one of your fingers. Ear probably I need my hand. Here's for sure. A little bit. Okay. Would you rather live in India or? Let me name some Louis Saint Louis India. Probably fix aimless fixing. Okay. If you could bring back one person. Okay. How about this? Okay. Let me not do that. Let me say you had to bring back either. No. Last question ring back if you can bring back one person who would it be anybody? We met from the dead. Yeah. Conversation. So let me Fresno bring back one person and have a great conversation with him. I family members that I wanna bring back a lead thinks she was gone before time. He's so smooth. Think about Liam man. People gone time man, just said. Yeah. Divers jokes like nobody. Elise. I'm with you there. Alec burke. Keep going are you Berg whenever you want to talk about this. Let's talk. Best part about being dad. Just seeing some my she looked like. Now. Saying to win right? Just seeing somebody your twin? No seeing you that. This that and she just clings on everything. I do she wanted to be like in our mom when she got her, mom attitude. Dote? Being part of the Bert. Prices. Seem one is crazy. Unbelievable. Angela. It was great. Right now. Basis they'd come give. Stories efforts. I was good the whole time all four regular regular see regular regular. Yes. The whole thing. It's great the first three super Supercell deductions. I hate Jay. Okay. Look. Awesome. Was wasn't what's going on? Listen, you curious. I'm like we're looking where you should not have been looking at what you're saying. Right. All right. I understand. No, you're not. I was I want to see. Console themselves. Do you? I want to avoid the future. But I on the girl I'm cool with that. But to and through once. A man he has ten acres of land on the ones who pine actually one of the two hardest and then three or four wasn't ship to three was. Because it's like. Number two, like those two are kind of cool. They're like nineteen months apart mine, and then the next one was four years. So the first to know diapers you got going, but they're not old enough to really like now wanted to like your put your calls and get something to eat, take a shower. Get get your closer tomorrow. Do your homework, and they're all now sixty so like, we know deal. And I said we're watching movie I'd I'd like to say the teaching parental skills of Channing. Oh, listen, I'll tell you. It's it's about. Because here's the thing. They are adults in what they do. So I'm only home three days a week four days a week. Really? If you think about it. So when I get home, I gotta be like. I have my rules that I tell them, but I have to be consistent. So I can't just say I'm way more with daddy's home everything right thinks games. Right. But not. So for me, I'm like. I'm way more lenient. I'll be like like. Lipstadt? So now, she all we're going to be an execution our without. So they get hype or they what they can sleep it wrong. Think asleep on the floor. Right. They like that. But then now the two year old the savage early boy. Boy, three girls savage. She's a smallest meaning she's normal size. When I tell you this fucker. Is what are the funniest most Ono? Don't edit that out that's my little fucker. And I love it a debt, but. What did to sell it? Right. Four bigots. Baby ten months old. She's bigger than a two year old. That's how big so never three. She's going to be the one what she runs the house. She will snatch something out of my sons. Now, my son is eight he's almost five feet tall bullies him. Hey, mine me give it a phone phone bone. She will bug him until he literally hands over the phone to her. And let me like what am I gonna do like Honey badger? That's name Honey badger. Right Honey badger. If you ever watched nature shows, Honey badgers, most fiercest small animals in nature have you ever? As my daughter, and I was more proud of sorry for every man in the next twenty years like whoever data. I'm sorry. Jim. Legit. I'm pretty sure she's the greatest she's hilarious. I cannot wait. Then she got a switch now where it's like, no, I'm not doing this. And that none of y'all can make me move because number one. I'm gonna scream louder than you guys want to quell that that. That's that's savage. You got figure out what that girl wants. It is a Mason Masih this process. You know, obviously Jeeva girl. I I I think versa. Did you wanna grow? I dude. I come from is me, and my brother and my cousin his brother, my dad, his brother. Wait, let all all boys. So when I had a girl second, everyone was like. Don't worry about it. And then we tried again, girl. Now's like. My wife was like no middle children. Like, I go more gotta go. The right boy, that's too. We're so wild about the euro where like we'll take another girl for the second one. A book. Of course, my son. I feel so bad from. He's super chill funny. Super smart, but sensitive like, I am. But like. Right back. Marcy breath Myers. Very empathetic. So like he. These girls just. He's so big is strong. Yeah. He plays hockey. So like if you can imagine eight-year-old vice look, which is the best playing hockey, you know, he loves a place that he's in a band plays drums to but like. He. Dude, he gets bullied by them. They mind NGO bomb him all the time. Ninja bomb him in mind. There'd be like, hey, dad says you can't have that phone. And he's like what? No, yes. I can't. She's like that said that you have to give me that phone. He's like no we did. Okay. Let me off away year olds tug it out of my six year old. But I mean the two year olds gagging phone. Yeah. So like if he has watching something they literally touch his phone. Until he watches what they wanna watch s to go run downstairs to another TV to watch his show, which totally respect. But that's a wrap this up since I was about to say alecky ready for your second. Now heard o- or not now. Double thought of weight. She got much India right now. Wait till three. And she said no yet. No, no, no. She started saying little words now. She pick away then she talks air net. She tried to. No, no is one of your favorite words. You never when. You never wanna talk. We we session. That'd be anyone. Who know she has one of your favorites? The we'd be definitely saying to you. Right about that. Yeah. Sure. Speak. Alec has to go to dinner does dome service. Thank you shake shows. Channing kids. New York City. City. We're gonna come there this summer.
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Hello Jane Jenkins. I am the CEO and executive coach at church a leadership group Churchill is a global organization who partners with companies with global footprint to bring them organiz ation leadership and team development solutions. We're gonna talk today about human intelligence, we've all heard about official intelligence, but what about human intelligence so often a we work together with people in our day job causing conflict assumptions on the same page, and such a need for individuals to really connect with each other to be more productive to ensure their jobs more and to continue to grow and collaborate around the globe to poop foam, more effectively. So human intelligence will touch on emotional intelligence, conversational intelligence, not talents and strengths to empower you to be a more effective leader team. Congratulations. 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Well, according to our guest today, the answer is a very resounding. Yes. Jane Jenkins is the CEO and executive coach at the Churchill leadership group. She's the she is a fortune five hundred leadership veteran for multiple companies, including Exxon over twenty three years Jane refined, her team development leadership capabilities and built sales teams responsible for delivering over six hundred million dollars a year. Jane Jenkins, also Venus successful in marketing operation strategic planning organizational development today, Jane is the founder and CEO of. Of Churchill leadership group. So we had a little bit of a break. I'll just knock the flatulence outta my coconut. Gold professional development organizational, providing strengths accelerated solutions to corporations that need to increase organizational and the and leadership capacities. I'm going to try that pot again. We're going to go back Ren. Let's stop this again. Well, according to three to one according to our guest today. The answer is yes, Jane Jenkins is CEO an executive coach at the church leadership group. She is a fortune five hundred words veteran from multiple companies including Exxon over twenty three years Jane, refined, her team development and leaves you capabilities and built a sales team responsible for delivering over six hundred million dollars a year Jane Jenkins as also being successful in marketing operations strategic planning and organizational development today. Jane is the founder and CEO at Churchill leadership group Inc. A global professional development organization providing strings, accelerated solutions to corporations that need to increase and leadership capacity capabilities greatest team effectiveness and higher important employee engagement the globe. Churchill team is made up of what were eighty plus highly experienced certified executive coaches who also have extensive real world successful leadership experience to chills. Plans included EBay PayPal Lincoln trying to God's AmEx and a bunch of other fantastic companies, including Roche and Nestle health and many many more waiters and gentlemen. Please. Thing. He does really appreciate them. Good to have you here. Please forgive the spluttering of a man who is recovering from the travel bug that comes from many long flights and layovers in foreign countries. I know you understand because I know you that yourself. Yes. Understand. But I'm more. I know. I used to be well, but I'm all right now. So let's talk a little about about. You know, I said at the beginning that you have were a corporate executive you will with many. Hi, little very high-performing companies. And then you broke away and you've done your own thing. So let's talk a little bit about about being at that level inside of those fortune five hundred top even better than that companies. How did you get you start? Churchill of the star in the corporate. No in the corporate world. You know, it's interesting. It seems such a lifetime ago. It's probably have a sick go now. And it's a really silly. Right. Well, that would be nice when I left university, and I was at the university of Aston in Birmingham England. And I never forget. It was really this simple casino. Nothing that age. I was twenty one. I done a chemistry degree at finished. I done started somewhere codex on at that time. And I never forget. An sounds ridiculous. My my mom's cau-, and my mom's car was pretty much failing most of my money in my part time jobs was going on fixing this car what like every few months so king. You know, what I need to get a really good job on the half a call. And that was it. So when I thought he'd do my research became to colleagues friends family who were doing different areas, I recognized for my work with Exxon, although I did chemistry. I didn't wanna spend all day in a laboratory. Particularly confirming things he's really innovative work that I decided to interview for from suitable companies because I got a company on it just to that. My not talents my personality. But like the way I like to move around all day, really suited me, and I went into sales and my career progress when they're in different areas by in Europe and in here in the US for twenty three years. What was the pool to chemistry originally then begs that question creek Christian? I loved it in middle school. I loved it in high school, I lifted in six phone college, which took me through the age of eighteen doing levels. And I think part of it is the teachers were just so much fun and everything was very discovery mode. But it got a lot of theoretical in university. And was a lot drier quickly. I was like not sure I can make a career of this. Although I have to say having that science background in the analogical analytical view to criminal trials really helped me because of cosponsor Ceuta goals as is very steeped in that and you ability to articulate complex data in the healthcare world with with physicians was king. So if it wasn't being mothers crappy you'd never gotten into. I might still be in the lab. Yes. So we got lucky I got lucky, but you moved into you moved into sales, which again is a very different world altogether. So I mean as a set of the beginning you've had a high positions in different areas. So was one of those that really stood out for you that, you know, really engage you because when you're talking about science talked about analytics, she talked about delivering analytical information and sales, which is very personal. You know? So was there pace that really set out for you that pulled you? Yeah. Definitely, you know, I got into three years between the work in Europe. And then the what here in the US to what by in the field multiple roles as well as in the head quotas. So I really did get to experience fest hand working at strategic planning supporting a lot of the C suite decisions. I'm working as a sales posted in the early days. Sales Trina running an electrical teams in the marketing teams launching products. Like a crystal Nexium the purple pill it cetera. And so the ones that stood out in onset. Your question was where I was able to build the team that delivered on being part of that was in developing individuals and bringing people together to work as a highly high-performing team overtime, right? Not just you know for a one off for a launch. But keep that sustainable performance going. And I think that's what I recognize was my sweet spot the leadership and team development too. Concerts of recognizing your sweet spot, which I think is so often something that you know, we have a sense of. I think I'm really good at this. But there's a lot of fa most people. Anyway, there's a lot of second guessing. For instance, I went to university. I did I did chemistry. I did I'm olitical scientific stuff. And now, this seems to be different. How did you was that a poll for you is that a a dilemma of any kind to the contradiction of what I've studied what I've done in that this seems sweet spot. Yeah. You know, it's interesting because now I'm in the other shoes as a parent of an eighteen year old. That's just started at U F. He's doing business, and so I have conversations with him. But probably might well, my parents never had with me around Korea, and leadership and all this type of stuff. So I'm always looking for those glens of excellence and natural talent in him to help not definitely not telling what to do, but just to shed observations to help him decide his career path. And then really that's his journey not mine. But you know, you try and help as Param when I was in those shoes like I was clueless. And I think I learned to find my niche in the early days just by doing experience, and you know, when I come back to today, and I think about the programs we do at church. Oh, that's such a critical part of leadership and team development is the experiential learning. We can read books. We can all watch webinars podcasts we can get him. Formation going in. But we truly learn the right way for us through doing and practicing and regrouping and reassessing and I think that's really how I found. My best pop as in Korea along with later on some of the assessments that I did that learned the celebrated myself awareness. You know, one of the things that drives companies crazy, but I actually really love it about millennials. You know, you, and I both work in in the same world of assisting companies in growing companies building teams and all that kind of work, and, you know, their frustration with millennials who are changing careers and light millennials change careers. Every four years when I was entered the workforce, it was what he gonna do for the next twenty to forty years for this as a career not a job. We thought about jobs may these being for not careers, but the wonderful thing is that millennials wanna do different careers. They wanna find as you said they wanna get into it and say, yeah, not for me. And and it's very interesting because I think that we have to re examine the whole educational world and even the whole school of thinking around school around education around university because like you said. Asking somebody who's eighteen. What do you wanna do and thinking that that is a lifetime choice is crazy from leno's of that? I love that about the match really. I think I sort of to add to that. If I may DAV is the pace of the world, right? The pace of living the way things moved and business learning technology, and if was very very different oversee twenty thirty years ago, then is today. So what a millennial potentially can achieve from learning and deliverable perspective. And experiential info years might look very different to what I learned in full. It might have taken me eight years earlier in my career because we didn't have the exposure to with people on information that they have today. So I think part of it is they can do that. Because of the speed of which are able to move herbs who agree as become the foundation of what you do with. You'll company with Churchill we joke about leading from strength talk about leading from strength for a moment. Because very often we are looking at we look at Sosa, particularly in one of the things I've spoken about many times on this. Show and written articles about it. And another things is set more than seventy percent of high performing individuals. So which I'm gonna cease we individuals a walking around with imposter syndrome that feeling like I'm not Gooding alpha. I know one day you gotta find out idiot and a normal dalom doing. And your focus is on strengths. And when we're in the impostor syndrome would feel like focuses on weaknesses telco to his about the distinction between those two. I get us. It's such a it's such a big important question. And if I can just a couple little, and I think you're bringing up the impostor syndrome really speaks to this is I think in the sort of three years as a coach, I'm always observing and noticing and looking for trends, especially is in manatee of leadership. I really believe we don't give enough attention to human intelligence. You know, we talk about artificial intelligence emotional intelligence, I q and all the stuff, and I think the umbrella for me in the leadership business world is human intelligence. So what do I mean by that is even those super successful lead? As you mention that looked from the external site everyone else like this super performing that got everything nail already got their together inside are still vulnerable human beings. A not real. I see that all the time when we coach executives it's real and a lot of of. Afraid to show that because we're expected to have all the answers at times. But in reality, even the lineal don't want to lead to that has the answers. They want someone that they can relate to that can be a little all noble and that builds trust. So I've been given a lot of soul in the last couple of years as I observe. The needs coming in for more different corporate clients, and we see more of the mindfulness needed, which is feeding more of the human soul and the human ability to cope in this crazy world we live in. We see more of a need of emotional intelligence because I may be a great tech lead up. But the way I interact with people. He's not something I've not truly brought to the table. It's technology it excited me. And now I'm higher up in the organization, I need help to relate to other people. We see Jude. It's work with conversational intelligence. And so if you think big picture about this nece, whether it's a nonprofit government or corporation, most businesses done through interaction with other human beings. And so the humanity of human the humanity of leadership for human intelligence is. So so important, and we can't stop figuring everyone else into refit out me. Undestand ourselves enough to be to operate with other human beings, and what we need to thrive, and where we're at best where are sort of blind spots may be and that's where I think the strengths piece comes in. We use we use necess- MacOS strengths finder, which has thirty full strength. Seems we call it which are ranked based on taking the assessment it's very proven assessment of twenty million people have taken it. And if you think about it if you're ranked one through thirty full you can't have thirty four in your top five. You're gonna have a bomb five about Matan. You're going to have a top ten and so we're all uniquely different. And I might I might become vulnerable or suffer from imposter syndrome because I do some of my strengths over done and he gets away with me gets a bit. I to control with me and has a negative effect on other people are it might because I'm struggling that. I have a lack of talent in my boat and five, and I don't know what to do. Either of those triggers might cause me to suffer from impulse to syndrome and question, that's human. But by knowing my strengths, I can then look at the situation that I'm in the where I may be suffering from impulse to send dry decide what's causing it like have a bit of an Olympics going on to figure out what what's really going on with me. And use my natural strengths at the top to help me work through it and deliver the best icon in that situation. So going back to your general question of like focus on weaknesses is focusing on strands. If you think about it we live in a world where most of us are raised to fix. What's broken? We have kids. Right. So you you have a kid come har- maybe in high school with and happened with our son. So I had a real Petrie dish detested come home with like five or six as an CNN gauche where does most of the conversation go shooting. Exactly. And it was so hard for me. And my husband he's at she also. So as a strength coach to not spend time talking about the CNN Jewish. So we tried out for real what we do with corporate clients around focused on how did you get these as and what was it about you, and your work that created these as as Tra before, you know, it he was applying the same principles of he's authentic talent. And he c- became an English without us even going there 'cause we focused on what was right with him. And how we could do more of them. Think that that's a very important thing is that I we do a lot of stuff on unconscious parenting and focusing on what's right, right focusing on. You know, the. Klein on years ago corporate client of mine years ago. I was coaching him. He's CEO but in his in his as his hobby. He trains dogs. Let's his hobby and one of the principles that we both. We came to an accommodation was I said to him. Well, how do you train dogs? And he says, you know, he's talking to me about it. Yeah. Exactly. You're award to behavior you want and you pay less attention to the behavior. You don't want me goes. Yeah. He goes bad train this pay all their attention to to the bad behavior. And they punish the dog. But it goes a good trainer butts. All the retention on the good thing that Doug doesn't go. That's how you train people. People have dogs are exactly the same reward. The behavior you want in marriages and relationships with your parents parenting reward the behavior want because otherwise you'll you'll working from the fragility of the human being rather than the strength of human being. And that is what you know, what I love about string finders, you know, through a common friend Darren. You know that focus of looking in on what strong, but at the same time. I wanna come to this and ask you about those should we be ignoring was week. Should we be ignoring right? So tell us about how we worked balance right question. I just published a pot one of two pop log I think in October November December on this. And what triggered may cause? 'cause I know it doesn't like ignorant says it doesn't let people off the hook. But an HR friend colleague at one of our big clients Osma. She's like, you know, if we do strands, we're gonna let our executives off the hook. And those behaviors that I'll working for women trying to help them with for a while. They'll be like doesn't mind. Here are my strengths right? And send us dot risk of the Senate was at risk in her mind. It's a great question because I think a lot of people have that top of mind, which is why her question was so powerful strengths does not ignore. We says that's a misconception and his why just to give you something concrete for the audience. This two ways to look at weakness. It can be. Lack of skill right? I need to. Let's keep it. Really simple. Right. Brit. Lots of Tayo is drinking tea. How do I work at castle? Right. You either know how to work a catch low? Now, very simple. It's hard skill. You teach someone how to use it. They can use really simple. So the those type of skills we need to always be learning skill knowledge because the world's training at constantly changing. We always need to be absorbing sculler knowledge. So we're not off the hook for keep learning. Man. What Gallup describe as a weakness is something that gets in my way at work. So I did five years of French at school. I speak zero French maybe if I spent here in France, some of it would come back to me. But is that a weakness for me? No. 'cause I don't need it. We have coaches in Canada and France, speak, French, right? We need client. We've got coaches. So it's not so first of all to find a weakness that gets in our way at work right now, it might get in our way, we might cause a problem, which is another way to look at it by a strength over done. Let me illustrate that. My number one is maximize. That means my talent is about constant prove -ment all about quality. So whenever I look at a situation. I'm not looking at what's wrong with it. I'm looking like constant improvement. How do we take a good team to great now? Now, how that might feel to you. If you're a my team work with you that when you bring something a great idea, and you've polished and got a great plan. I might still be looking for ways to improve it. So you might feel does no pleasing Jane every time looking for better. So I have to watch that. So a weakness as a leader in the Cooper world might be that my strength is being done talk. If you're not quick example because this is a very common one achiever achieve as one of the thirty four, and it's the most common one across the globe achieve is all about work ethic. Getting things done a real drive and setting the pace with a team. But if I do that it might feel to my team it's all about the work and that just in a wheel. About a law in coaching clients that they don't know the leader the leader doesn't take the time to know them. It's all about deliverables will in time that's gonna turn people off and they become disengaged or they decide to leave either as a loss for the organization. So a big part of what we see to clean executive coaching is a weakness is a strength over done. Does that resonate Dov? Couldn't agree more. I think this is one of the things this is why I wanted to bring that up because I think that my philosophy me. This is my philosophy. It's not the truth. My philosophy is that every strength is a weakness and every week, MRs strength. The blessing is the curse and the curse is the blessing. So you know, like you said if you are oppose news always looking for how it can be better. That's a great gift accepted, the Bose new came to you. Thanks. Oh, look at. This is fantastic. I've worked so hard on this and you go. Yeah, we can make it even better than they feel like a piece of shit ever feel like they're appreciated, and and I think this is what people really have the grass is not just the you need to work on your strength and grow your strings, but you actually have to monitor your strengths for how yo strength can intimidate and lose the humanity. Which is what we're talking about here with another individual. And this is why mostly tell is so vital because emotional intelligence, as you stated Ilia, we think about emotional intelligence or something we'd learn and then we can use on people. But the truth of the matter is that emotional intelligence is something you learn to use on yourself first. And then you learn it with your people, and what that means is I have to look at. How does what I do that? I feel so great about. Actually intimidate of people. I was gonna come station with a very good friend of mine many years ago, and she said to me she said I talking about a relationship with somebody. I knew who I was trying to build relationship with somebody who was a family member. I just was never getting a connection. And I said, you know, what is it about? I mean, like, I'm always nicest, and she said to me, you do know you really intimidating, right? And I went no. And she says, yeah, you're really intimidating and I said how I don't get it. And then she started explain and what she explained was my personality, and my strengths and everything she was saying I was like, yeah. That's good. Isn't it? And she said not if you don't consider other people Sidley went. Wow. That is like that was like a masterful massive lightbulb to realize that it was a double edged sword. And I think the very often when it comes to strengths. We look at us strength is something that we hold up, and we. This is me. I'm so great. I'm goal center. Machida a widow, you know, I'm this. I'm that. I'm always looking for better. Well, hold on a sec guys. Just intimidating the crap out of everybody and doesn't allow them to connect with you. And this is why I believe talked a lot about it in my last book, fiscally loyal. Why? It's so important to understand particularly for those high achievers, the vulnerability is your greatest power of engagement. Right. That's the humanity. I couldn't agree with you more. You know, this the human intelligence that I took right? We do a program called human intelligence and as different pieces to it. One. Are the strengths piece? One is the emotional tolerance peace conversational tone piece in the trust piece. Which is rather ability that you're referencing comes in and one of the things that don't Clifton talked about who is the father of strengths on. You know was involved in the initial be such a lot of the research Gallup was our strengths play out when we interact with other people. And so there is a great story that you just shed of an interaction that you were willing to have right? You didn't give us and trying to build that relationship. And it was like an moment for both of you. I'm wondering whether it was just as tough for her to share that with you, but says avoid sharing it, and when you interacted with each other, your strengths you shine, the light on your strengths. And in this case how maybe it was over. Verdone in that individual. But if we can if we can constantly look through the lens that were interacting with another human being and while my strength. Yes. I'll put my hand up these my strengths, and yes, these really helped me, but it's your slim directing with people that are very different to you. And finding ways to build trust and stay curious to learn about who you who are my how can we best together? What is the risk and those are many of the practical exercises? We do with clients. We have one exercise which is needs and values and will do that in a workshop where you, and I might what together and took about what my value is my strength, and what use are and how they're similar and how they're different and what's played out like in the pas when we've worked together and intimidation might come into and then what are needs to eight in each other to thrive when we what together in the future. And it sounds so simple. Right. But there's nothing that's very little but goes on in the corporate world on a daily basis that helps us get to that level of depth knowing each other as a human being so that we can work together better. And instead we tend to cause this or you didn't say what you said you were going to do. Well, that's not what I meant. When I said, I was going to do it. And we're on two different Pete pages. A combination of strengths. Compensation intelligence really helps us improve that human intelligence. We'll let's talk about for a moment. Because before we went on air, you broke some news to me that I didn't know. A few years ago I interviewed Judy glacier. Who wrote the book called conversational intelligence? You told me about her passing in twenty eighteen I did not know that you were a big fan of her work, and you've taken a lot of work on and put it in his pot of Churchill in the work that you're doing totals about conversational intelligence because I think that you know, I I loved my my interview with it's something I have practiced for many many years. Let's let's talk a little bit about how you apply it. And how you get your clients to apply conversation intelligence because it seems like one of the things I've I've set around this is that. The example, I give is the everybody thinks that gonna be good at relationship because everybody's automatically in relationships. Right. And I go, but why would you think you good at it? Well, because you grow up relations yet. But most people grow up having terrible relationships. Never learn decent one. And so people think that because they can talk that good at communication because they can talk. They've got communication conversational intelligence. They haven't talked about how you integrate that. And how you get people to really grasp conversational intelligence he act like question. Thank you for asking and Judas work on the world of neuro leadership. I'm there's been so much progress in stunning how the brain works and Judith opened my eyes to the brain isn't just this brain here, but we have five brains different parts of brain a hopping brain stomach being brain. And it's interesting because we were told you, and I were talking about restrained before we got on the cool in your visit. I was first introduced. Dr hot and our stomach ulcer brains pretty about five years ago about some reason Sydney that was done that there are are stomach and hot sends a signals the that enabled us to have feelings and intuition thoughts that lead us to have better owed. Not so good decisions. By the way, we listened to or not. So well of this is connected. Let me step back a little further of why did I choose to do the work with you and become certified and have a we have a large global team at Churchill who also to fight compensation. Intelligent coaches, it's because most of our work at work. We're in conversations. There are some people there a lot on the computers, but even then during conversations through emails, etC. So any form of compensation whether it's with my boss, whether it's my peers, my customers, my stakeholders with a team that I lead it's all based on conversations, and the one of the ways that Judith put it is that culture, and I think we all recognize how important having the right culture at work is is really a reflection of the type of relationships that happen in our organization. If you want an innovation culture than this has to be a lot of openness and collaboration and idea sharing idea accepting and testing and all this goes on right? Those relationships are purely a product of the type of conversations that people have so with us the background. And then we do a lot of work with leaders. Great coach where reteach leaders how to coach and we talk about it. I mean, people want to to coach teams to develop that people to have conversations with people. Report to them. But really what we talk about is you can use coaching skills to have conversations across up. It's like a it's a circle c put those two together. And you're like Whoo. What if we can help people have better conversations beyond just words, but really understand what's going on internally in our body. But with a lot of healthcare people what all tech people, and if we can sort of give a degree of proof around what happens from a neuro chemical perspective that why when you say certain things to me one way versus another way. I. This is I'm open that's real right in a simplistic, what you might talk about quotas, all or tocine, I can speak to you in a certain way that draws you to woods me and builds trust, and I can speak about the sub same subject in a different way. And I shut you down. I may not recognize it. But inside your icon get away from this woman, right words, create worlds, and that's what we learned from Judas. So in terms of plying it with clients there's a concepts which we help clients understand. And then there must be fifty sixty tools and exercises that we we use depending on the need. So most about what client starts with. What is it that trying to change? What are they trying to learn what are they trying to do better start with the end of mind? And then what backwards and then typically we will incorporate some conversation intelligent, tools, depending on what the need is. You know, it's not like going out and just teaching composition intelligence. That's jujitsu teams job. Job. But we're in cooperate in the concepts and tools in leadership team development based on the need. I think that this is one of the things that often leaders get stuck on his the IQ side of of leadership thinking that, you know, I'm really smart now for a good leader know that some of the dumbest people, I know are really smart. Not the smartest thing to to be. And you know, people go well you can't trust your gut yet. Well, I agree. You can't trust your gut alone. But you need to understand that you guys in communication. So there's more neurons in in the heart and the stomach combined the raise in in the in the brain. And what people don't understand is. You know, this is one of the things, you know, my background is is from psychology is that I've been health nut since I was before I was twenty years old and looking at at the gut wall health and people like, oh, you know, why do you always so focus much on that? 'cause for me. I know that I don't feel as good mentally as clear if my gut is up playing up and people go wild, you know, you got plan up, and I can tell immediately I means in an feel his fuzziness in my mind because those things I connected. So the summit the heart and the brain all work together. And the reason you say things like. I I don't know. I can't explain it. But I don't feel good about this is because that's a gut response. The no rationale in that got in in those neurons. The neurons are the neurons rationale were up in the hippocampus, and they're up in the frontal lobes of the brain. And that just that gut responsive like ooh, get away from me that is paying attention. It's it's a phenomenal science people would bother. No, I'm not expecting lead us to to to go and study that that's my personal craziness. And I just love all that stuff and have done for forty years, but grasping that the humanity of who you are is not just your intellect. It is your IQ. It is your conversational intelligence, and it is paying attention to yourself at a beyond a level. I mean, we've all had the experience of getting that resume going. This is a perfect candidate. And then sit in for the visiting going. Resume resume still was still the same. But what changed and an as you said can be a simplest tonality. I mean know the example I used to do at the workshops. Trainings would be something like this. I'm going to say something to you. And I just want you to watch how you respond and go, okay and go, Jane, I love you. This thing about how you feel then gain. I love you. Set words, very different response. Very different feeling. And that's again that that actually we can now measure that which is so great because we've now got the brain sinus do that so say hope the brain lit up completely differently with one versus the other using exactly the same woods, so tonality cadence and all the other things including physiology, including this, you know, the how hardness of my face visually versus the softness of my face visually. When I say, these are all pot of the higher levels of undestanding way, we're dealing with people in this is what we've gotta get so much better at. But again for me, it comes back to that you Menegatti of the vulnerability because this the job to be done. Check the box. We gotta get this done. But how we get people to do. It is by as you say tapping into those strengths and accessing those strings by actually approaching them in most. Human possible manner. Yeah. It's I think one of the one of the things through all of this that I as being a lesson for me over the years of coaching is judgment, right? We move judgment when it comes to a business decision or how are we spending time? But we're so at risk so often of judging people are making some Sion's. And when we do that in the woods that come out of our mouth, the other person often feels that and again, this defensiveness and we decrease trust. And we we create a gap between us, and these are people that have two together for success versus recognizing that my thinking around what you did or didn't do or what you've said is assumption. An instead staying curious, and as we say Churchill double clicking to find out more. I heard you say this tell me more what that means. But says I heard you say this and you're wrong. And this is why right. It's it's like a human respect for the other person that I think I knew what you said what it meant. But hang on a minute. That's me looking through my land. So my lens is an end of one you come with an experience and a life. That's you're looking to eight lines strengths his part of that. But let me judge or soom let me find out more because I'm curious on a genuinely humanly interested in you. We go deeper we build trust we get on the same page, and therefore we can align and be more productive when we leave the conversation. And it sounds simple on paper. It sounds simple as I'm saying. Boy, does it happen. Not so. This complexity to how easy can slip into a main even a simple level. You know, you and I originally palms originally Brett's. Living in North America. I just came back from the place I used to live before I moved here, which was a stray Leah, and you know, Bob Hope once said England in America, two countries separated by common language, Australia England in America, three countries separated by a common language, and the word can a word can mean something different, you know, in England. If you call somebody busted, it was incredibly insulting. When I was a kid, you know, some Bassett. Ooh, that's terrible today in Australia is gay Boston. It was like a good. You know, like that was the thing you make set to each other. So it's very much, you know, even the word and the meaning of a word can be so different. And the willingness to be curious, I is a big part of my work is encouraging curiosity and annoys a big pot of yours too. Your sound is going away. Two on. Okay. So tell us what was the turning point in your what was the turning point in your life, and your leadership and your business philosophy? I think one of the biggest turn in points for me is when I'd have Cobra and started to. Another big one was when I moved from the UK to the US traumas twenty two years ago now, but I think from a from a business philosophy. It was moving from corporate to Churchill, and there was a lot of downsizing in the pharmaceutical industry for many many years, and then I got the opportunity to take a package and it meant the financially. I was in a good place and prior to that for a few years. I've been thinking about what I've had the opportunity to do all this different leadership work across organizations, and what if I could harness all of that and start a company myself. So I'd already been thinking about intestine that few ideas before starting Churchill, and then I got this great opportunity slight. Oh, the universe heard me. Now, I've got this great package. I can go and the risk is low. Right. Because it's scary. It was exciting. But scary. So with that I made that move. But one of the reasons that I started what I started at Churchill. In addition to my love of leadership development, and coaching was I truly believe and I still. Believe at the risotto much untapped talent. In the corporate world. It's unbelievable. And you think about how much of a corporates but line cost is that payroll, so painful, these people come to work at all different levels. And I was one of them, and we know about thirty three percent of people are fully engaged in the US. For example, it varies across the globe. So two thirds or not think Asia's they could be what if you can haunt us up. You can understand people at a level enough as a leader people on your team to truly get the best out of them for your benefit as leader in the company, but just as importantly, more importantly for that benefit. Want to go up beyond what would be possible. If we could do that. An irony knew about strengths find drives introduced and start to do it my teams in corporate. Although, but then I realized I knew very little, but I wanted to create expertise in that global teams that could deliver it so strengths is our exceleron in all of our programs, and it really brings a common language about what's right with us that we can use to continue to grow and learn and be more effectively than teams than I think the transition from Cobra where I was able to. Did my finger in and do bits, but I was very much you some degree control. By what the company wanted us to do will resources. Now, I could create a new reality where I could make decisions to really make this the priority. And I think one of the things I learned as a business woman is an I was always on teams part of teams building teams. I think I've learned even more what true collaboration is. Because when coaches collaborate the so curious with each other, so non-judgmental, and so open to finding your way I will to move forward the collaboration shines not plays that when we what with customers in terms of the outcomes they want, but what's the best right way for us to help you move forward as an organization, and it isn't just we come in. And there's a meeting the program in a box, and you do this. It's a collaborative approach. It's a true partnership, which is why most of our clients, I think that she all of them we continue to work with for many years. And I think that was a shift being able to have a lot more influence on truly untapped talent. Right yet to the outcomes and truly putting in collaboration and partnerships. That was so much more meaningful. Very cool. Thank you for sharing that appreciate we as lead as particularly consciously does. Are always committed to our growth a successful as you are companies done mazing things, you know, you said maybe plus thirty five people around the world. What's the one thing that you'll still working on within yourself? Such a relevant question. So I'll use this because it's it's so much to it two thousand and eighteen my my personal learning journey was patients. I am very very driven. I as as we've talked about maximize what about constantly improvements. So I'm looking at things on one I wanna make positive change. I also have a range of high an activator high in my strength. So I wanna move fast. I wanted to be doing lots of things at once. And I realized that all the learning I've done through emotional intelligence compensation intelligence intuition. You know, how that plays out and listening to really much for my brain says to me, but really taking time to think and listen Deepa to myself as well as others was I can drive myself nuts with being impatient and want to get things instead of a month from now. So it's amazing. When you we sort of start to say out loud what you wanna work on this year. And it started with me like I had to lend patients I to offer patients to other people, right? And it, and it's what beautifully in terms of what I've learned. But boy did the universe through me lessons. You've never like we're in the process of selling our highs and now it sent a contract to Soviets third contract. So it's like we're going to give you a contract, and we're going to have that full through. We're gonna make you wait a bit longer and have. Things at things that work. We've launched a big marketing campaign to market church. More effectively, the Shia we took on government contracts, federal government work and also wanted to automate our processes to make more efficient with us three huge projects. Now, I've lent patients. I'll be doing one project here major project. I could do more than I can write. But it's my impatience my active ranger maximize that drives me. And so I think that's a life lesson. I still have to keep learning, and it's really. Beautiful. That's awesome. What what is it? The brings you joy. Seeing the confidence of people go up so many people when you're in a safe executive coaching one on environment. It's a safe space. Right. And so they are clients all vulnerable, which is how it should be. Because it's at says me, and and you you help them think through situation on the best way forward, and you to the lights go off you see it. You know, we all the time. If we're not in person, you said the lights go off light. I can't do this. Oh my God. I think I can try this. And so that plays out in workshops it plays that when we work with global HR departments doing programs across all different countries across the globe. And you start to see confidence of what's possible. And that I guess that's my maximize our of what's possible. But when I see that light up in people, I know I'm in the right place. I'm doing the type of work that I was meant to be doing. Grew. That's that's a very joyous experience to what somebody's lights go on. They suddenly go. Oh, I get it. I can do that. All right, good. That's pretty. And they come back into it here. And it's just fried is. Yeah, those pretty great. What's what say what's guilty pleasure for changing ins besides Wyan? Sure. Actually, I've I've stopped drinking wine so much now because yeah. Yoga. Yes, you're guilty. Pleasures job. I am a like there was one month in two thousand eighteen where I did a physical like went to class every day for thirty days. And I could tell the difference on my body. My body was exhausted. But stronger in ways that I had been thirty days private, I probably do about full causes a week of yoga. I love going on yoga retreats where I can interact with other people. It's more of a collective experience. And so that's my guilty pleasure often. I'll say, you know, if if I perform well in the business, then I will treat myself with this many yoga retreats in a year. I would say it's a pretty good guilty. Pleasure. That's pretty awesome. Wonderful. So as we come to the end of the show, I want to ask you if there's something that you want. Our view is our listeners to go away with they can put into action in the next twenty four seventy two maybe even as file as a week, but very practical go do this. That would have them really get what it is that you insuring with what is it? You would ask them to do. I think fright to be practical the human intelligence conversational intelligence. That's too big of conversation. Real practical one is go take strengths line to a costs fifteen to twenty while it costs twenty dollars on the Gallup website. Go take variety to take polite. Your results and find a way to make it practical because although twenty million people have taken it. We started Churchill to turn that knowledge into practical application. This ways to on your own does ways to do it with your team. If you need external help of trouble help you. That's what we're here for. But that is good insight into the best of you. And how you can apply. It. So go back to your results, you've taken it sit down with a print off sit down with a highlighter and read your results and think about what you've got to deliver in the next month. I'm practically practice using some of your top five to make to help you do that make it a conscious practice effort. If you haven't taken it take it into the same. If you need how contact us. So please tell you whether they can find out more about you, and all the wonderful resources that you offer. Thank you. You can go to Churchill that's church. I l leadership group dot com. There is a contact page on there where we can learn more about you and your need if you need help. There's also lots of free resources blogs videos on that too. You can learn more. They're they're very sort of educational and more about ourselves. Mrs and we have now well over one hundred coaches around the world. So if you're a cooperation, we build that footprint to serve big organizations like EBay and American Express across the world, globally culturally. So that you're an individual or a corporation. That's where you can find us. And typically the first step if you really need a help is a thirty minute conversation with me, and I help you work through your need to figure out what we need to best together jury. Mrs a pleasure on a thank you so much for all that you shed has been fabulous. I really enjoyed it. And like you said you can find out more about Jane Jane Jenkins at Churchill leadership group dot com, and you can reach out. Of course, we will put that in the show notes, and you find that to the pleasure having you on the show. I hope you'll stay with us to the end. And I want to remind do your very welcome. Thank you. And I want to remind you listener that you can chat about this show or any of our previous shows with other list. By going to Facebook group page, dove barons, leadership and loyalty podcast. Just go in there and have a Chet. Remember, the research consistently shows it one of the biggest challenges facing even the most successful companies can be somewhat counter intuitive in the fast growing companies often hit a point where they realize that this mending a fortune attracting, training and development talent only to have them leave at an alarming rate. 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