4 Episode results for "Clermont Institute"
"Computer, Sohn is vice president of education at the Claremont Institute and editor of the American mind. He Directs Clermont's annual fellowships and heads an initiative for a new center to Support Graduate Level Scholarship. Imagine that taking back academia I love it. We're GONNA. Talk about an article he just wrote in the American mind but I I have noticed and I posted about this last week and I had a number of folks tell me. They wanted to know more about this in as a result I have noticed Claremont Institute coming up again, and again in the way I, remember first hearing about Hillsdale and not in a sponsored way people talking about they're working on this project for Clairmont or Clermont is doing this or doing that and it's good work. So can you talk a little bit about what the Claremont Institute is meant? Absolutely. So Clermont Institute is about forty years old. And it was founded by my graduate students believe it or not at a different time WHO we're studying political philosophy and American government they loved. America they saw there was a real problem in politics with a lot of people just. Speaking, about things they didn't know anything about when it came to the principles of the American founding and the Claremont Institute was really founded by graduate students argue in the Public Square and educate. Young people about the principles of the American founding and apply them to contemporary political life now, the Claremont Institute over time. Larry Arnn. In fact, from Hillsdale is Clare Monster as we call ourselves he got his degree from Claremont and he was president of the Claremont. Institute. For some time our our graduate studies program in Clermont has lots of. People out there doing great work but the Claremont Institute was really more educational focused throughout its life. And I think in the present moment what happened was because we stayed out of policy and we weren't sort of in bed with establishment republicanism when trump came along, we I'll I'll just say I think we understood what was happening we describe what was happening in a way that shocked a lot of a Republican friends, and throughout the last four years we've been very busy trying to explain analyze what's happening in. America because we think we're. In a very, very serious situation and so right now relitigate we we we send out MEKA speaks to the Supreme Court that have been very influential and we we right Claremont review of books as a fine publication and I think the finest in America. It comes out four times a year. The American mind at American Mind Dot Org has been very active and influential in the in the in the last eight years year or two. And we teach and we bring in people from across young leaders from across the country and we educate them on the principles. The American founding all expensive undertakings is donor driven where do you? How do you raise the money to to to do all of this? Is Donor driven and we are small in fact I have I have to say I have looked enviously at the large budgets the DC tanks and Kinda the legacy projects out there on the right and sometimes I wonder what exactly they're doing with their money we're five to six million dollars a year and that's our operation so we're very tiny compared to everyone else but we we depend in thrive on donor dollars and I have to say there have been some people Stepping up because they see the moment they see what we're doing. They see the energy that we have We're a little younger team here than a lot of other outfits and we're doing a lot with a little. That is. You know it's interesting with with organizations like this. You tend to spend what you have in where you don't you get clever but I would think there's some folks out there who would say you know industrialist we used to call him who would say you know I'd get to operate in a free market economy I. Love Capitalism it's worked for me you folks are promoting that. I would think there would be I would think that dollars would just flow in I know nobody likes to give easily, but it seems like such a great cause. Yeah I. think There's a there's some evidence that that is beginning to happen if people realize who we are and what kind of influence we're having we've certainly been growing and You know I mean I I I'm not focused on development or asking people for money. I'm focused on getting things done and there's a lot to do as you know right now in America and so I I I I do firmly believe though that if you focus. On accomplishing what needs to get done people do come out of the woodwork and they say I see what you're doing and they'll they'll support it and we appreciate that and I appreciate what I think is a new class of donors who are just sending money to the same old. Infrastructure that kind of got us into this predicament but they they're looking for signs of life and and I would say probably that I think Clermont, you'll see lots of signs of life because we're we're doing a lot these days Matt Peterson is our guest. He's written a piece entitled ending the. Revolution bringing peace back to our streets means getting serious about what's going on. I'M GONNA. Read one paragraph and ask you to take off from there. The black lives matter yellow movement has found a way to weaponize this visceral American version to racism. The fact that America is not racist and Americans therefore both resent and fear being called Racists Blm uses the charge of systemic racism as a way of blackmailing their opponents to get what they want, what do they want to change the system itself of course, speak to that if you would matt. Yeah well, there's there's two aspects to this and one is I think people get fearful as soon as you? We start talking about VM racism, etc. Why? Because everyone knows that it's the worst thing you can be called racist is the worst thing you can be called in contemporary discourse in public life you can lose your job. You can be persecuted in various ways ostracized from your community. No one wants to be called racist and Americans of all people they don't like racism. We despised that we find it repugnant and we don't want to be called racist and we know there's there's real punishment for that and of course, whatever racism means that's an interesting question that. The, right needs to get clear on everything's being called racist this point. So. So you know we were afraid of being called racist. So, what does the Olympic we'll blacklist matter comes in. And they of course, the name itself right is Genius I. Are you against Black Lives? Do you think black lives don't matter of course? Not We're Americans. We think we're all created equal all lives matter. So therefore, black lives would be part of that. But what they do with the name itself, and then with their tactics is say, well, here's the problem. It's not just one or two people being racist it's whole system that's racist and if that's true, then that system has to change and they do this with the language of the Civil Rights Movement. But of course, the problem is they do not believe in the. Principles that the civil rights movement as elucidated in Martin Luther King's famous speeches. For instance You know everyone's mind they don't believe in that at all they they have a a racial is view of justice. They want law take race into account. They don't want equality under the law Their policies are very much about re undermining the system as it exists and People. people roll their eyes. When you say it, I don't know why they're actual children of the of the Marxist of the sixties and Seventies. Airs the Black Power Movement and what they want is is really a kind of wild and Kooky racial version of of Marxism Communism. And they they don't make no bones about this and yet we're we're supposed to cower in fear because we don't want to be called racist by them and you see this especially, I have to say with politicians politicians who should know better on the right who are very quiet throughout the events of the summer because they were unwilling to come. Out and say, of course I believe that black lives matter because I believe that all lives matter because American but this organization black lives matter is a different thing and in fact, they believe in some evil ideas that the rest of us don't believe in the black community doesn't even believe in such as defunding the police and therefore I condemn and renounce them. Notice, of course, on the left no one's going to say that and they're tacitly just in support or or explicitly and support, and then the right you still have this. This fear to come out and make these distinctions and call out with this movement really about. Fear. It is fear and it is. No one wants to take a principled stand for fear that they be painted a racist. Just, go along and I think of Mitt Romney walking in a be limb parade and and the the the consequences of that the meaning of that we're going to continue our conversation with Peterson coming up in just a moment. Quick Reminder if you'll go to Michael Berry show dot com that's our official website, and while you're there by your official Michael Berry show gear and wear it proudly, we appreciate you. That's all it Michael Berry show dot, com. Matt Peterson is our guest. A He's written in the American mind entitled ending the. Revolution, bringing peace back to our streets means getting serious about what's going on. I want to pick up where we left off in the last segment with a sentence that is at the end of one of your progress under the cover of the old civil rights movement be in is smuggling into our political discourse, an agenda more akin to that of the fringe Marxist black power movements in the sixties and seventies then to the actual political positions of the vast majority of black people in America today do you think that this was? A militant blacks who became Marxist or do you think this is Marxists who saw a civil rights he sort of movement it's really more about anger and violence. Where do you think this started to end up where it is today? Well, it's a combination of things because I don't one hand you have. You know you're kind of young young kids if you take the founders of black lives, matter who go to. colleges and learning their you know black studies, programs, cultural studies, programs, these kind of watered down Marcy ideas from the seventies and they idolize You know radical leaders domestic terrorists really. and so you do have individuals who grew up actually listening to the propaganda there in school and taking it very seriously and becoming activists. And that's that's all true but they're not able. To do what black lives matter did unless you have a lot of really wealthy left-leaning. Foundations. Looking to support these kinds of movements to further a really radical leftist agenda and this is something. That the right just hasn't done a good enough job in fighting I. mean there's a whole network of foundations with a whole boatload of money that immediately saw the Hashtag black lives matter and they saw that it was it was run by especially, these three women who are extremely Activists. And don't really represent your average black American at all but they they leap onto that and then they flooded with money they support it. There's a network of support throughout the country and you have this whole infrastructure it really that's pushing this movement because the because why? Because they know that Americans aren't racist right? Most people the movement has purchasing power because people don't want cops out there shooting people on account of the color of their skin. And so they saw the opportunity to really it's what it's a few videos of summer. That they discover for the last seven or so years, and they try to find these examples where you get some video something happens it looks terrible looks racist and then they promote the hell out of it whether or not You know it's true or whatever the context is. And then whether they want out of it, well, defunding the police is a good example right over eighty percent of black Americans don't want to defend the police. In fact, in a lot of areas, they want more police they want just you know just police action, but they're not the this is this is crazy and it's not crazy to the activists. Mine law enforcement as it is and what do they WANNA put in its place they wanna put in a a racial is version of justice. In other words I woke tribunals as I call them they want people to be judged in an illegal setting based on their their their demographics. And I it's unbelievable that it's come so far. So I would say you have two things the educational system that would allow for these activists sort of A learn all this stuff, invite it over the years, and then you have this larger. Group of organizations that have a lot of money on the left that are looking for people like this to push movements like this to an actor agenda you quote Toe Fernandez in the ANTIFA lamb industrial complex and saying that the elite enablers must be called out and shamed. That's that's corporations. Isn't it? I? Mean they've how well-funded is this to the extent that is a single organization or a movement or a bank account? How well funded is this in WHO's funding? This is this is the question a question that really a lot of people in media investigative journalism should be asking and looking for the answer to what's astounding is. How many people out there and your audience know who the founders of black lives matter are I mean how many times have you seen them interviewed or pressed to denounce the violence in the streets were asked if they support violence you don't see them at all because they they really live in the shadows and they're protected. By this entire complex, the way in which they set up their organizations. Is Complicated and that allows them plausible deniability. They can say look if this is not one movement it's it's a lot of different movements. It's a lot of different organizations and it's not just one big bank account out there and there's not just one you know centralized structure. This is an organic movement of the people. Now, of course, it's not but they do they stay structure their organization. So it's very hard to see the flow of. Money and where the money's coming from and it's going to, and this is This is something that really only a few people have been working on the last few months and what you do see when you pay attention to it and do some research on it is that they have an enormous amount of money. Now, right hundreds of millions of dollars for sure has been has been raised at least pledged by especially large corporations if not billions. So you're not gonNA hear these. What we just did is fund this entire movement. That's what this summer the accomplish summer. And so then you have to ask yourself okay wh who's giving them the money outside of this kind of low liberal foundations. well, the answer is, as as you say, these corporations who are broadcasting virtue signal wing to the world that there woke and they support they support this movement, and so they're pledging however many millions of dollars. At sometimes they tell you exactly who they're going to give it to for instance, Jack confounded twitter gave ten million dollars to a man. Mr. Who is one of the worst thinkers I think on this issue racist I in my opinion Gay just gave him ten million dollars and said here you know here you go and I'm going to announce this to the world. And this guy is promoting all kinds of wacky doctrines you know in public and he has a lot to power now so. The truth is we don't know exactly. How much money and how a lot of these organizations even are structured we don't know how they're using their money, but the results of the riots this summer I think speak for themselves and we can expect a lot more of that because now they have hundreds of millions of dollars. If not billions we're talking to Matt Peterson and if you can hold I'd like to keep you one more segment and talk about this. Church. Matt Peterson is the vice president of education at Claremont, institute, and editor of the American mind, and we're talking to him about a PC's written in the American mind ending the BLM revolution bringing peace back to our streets means getting serious about what's going on. We're talking about the funding for Blm and and you use a frightening number of hundreds of millions of dollars. You know. It would scare me if obviously that that's an amount of money in the hands of some really bad people and that sort of scary you know you, you could you could equip an army with that. But where do you see them spending that money? It seems to me that the opportunity is rife for it to be squandered you know are are they are they leasing nice office space that doesn't scare me are they producing nice videos I, haven't seen that Are they giving it to politicians? I haven't seen that where would it scare you the most for them to spend the money and do you have any sense of where they are spending the money? Yeah that's a good question. I think I think there's probably to places that scare me the most one is they're going to set up and are they're slowly building a political project that's going to hide their radicalism. So I would predict that you know to the extent possible. They're going to try to hide how radical their agenda is they took down from their website, their their Marxist principles of. You know being against the traditional family and You know graphs about. Trans and queer stuff that you know. I guess interesting but it's not really a concern for a lot of their core audience supposedly they got rid of their radicalism wiped it from the website. Their political project is going to come out and it's going to be slick. They're going to have lobbyists they're going to have You know a kind of a front facing activism that it makes something like the fund the police probably use better words with better consultants next time and and they'll talk about social justice and they'll start pushing that woke agenda with money become slick more political. And they will have money to dangle in front of politicians and they'll different ways of putting that and they'll proposed kind of public private partnerships like I could see for instance, schools they could. Modify model education, curriculum activism programs that schools can across the country There's all kinds of shenanigans they can do on on the kind of the front facing political side. And then even worse I think that that worst fear is that we're not done with riots and violence in America, not by a long shot and I don't think it matters who wins the election because a lot of folks were talking about don't particularly appreciate Biden and they'll put pressure on the Democrats the establishment Democrats to do what they want. And if you know in the case of Biden wins, a lot of them will go into the administrative state of the bureaucracy and they'll. They'll start rearranging the deck chairs there. And in order to get what they want, they're always going to need the people in the streets and what we've done over the course of the last nine months is allow the threat of violence to rise in America politically, and I just don't see anyone letting go with that, and if you have money you can you can easily get a lot of folks who are unemployed during the virus or who are you know College kids who are interested in activism. You can start to deploy them in ways that become increasingly targeted, and we already see this right people are going to end up outside of politicians. Homes increasingly has already begun across. America. That's one of their tactics. They'll be these random you know terrorizing of diners and all that kind of stuff is going to increase because it hasn't been stopped and it's given them a lot of power. So. When you have an influx of cash like that, you're able to organize these kinds of these kinds of movements from the inside and you know so far they haven't got an eight trouble for really. So so expect that to increase large scale whenever they feel they need to to pressure people into bowing before them when you look at their power when you look at their ability to act change whatever that change may be. Do you think it is because they will do do you think it's the pure intimidation or do you think that Democrats are afraid that they have a sufficiently large audience of sympathizers that you don't want to cross them? I think it's a combination of the two. So for some Democrats, there's no doubt that this is useful, right? It's politically useful to have a force that will show up in the streets I. mean that is political power. And that will threaten people and make others uncomfortable. That does give political power directly to some democratic politicians but I think also you're you're correct that there are other Democrats out there who are more your establishment types, a lot of them are older. And I think more reasonable in some ways and they look at this and they say I cannot touch this at all because the last thing I want. Are these people showing up at my door and? People who in right should realize that they do show up at Democrats doors So in Los Angeles. Where Los Angeles County. which I hope to leave along with many other people soon, The Gay Jackie Lacey is a black woman black. Her husband is black as well. She's a she's too liberal but she she prosecutes people for crime and so black lives matter went after her. As if she was a Republican and camped out in front of her door for for so long on harassed that couple so badly that. Her husband got in trouble for brandishing a gun. As I think any American would do in the situation at them from door when they they started to get increasingly belligerent he got in trouble of course not the crowd and they are going to try to get her out of there. So that's a good example of a democratic politician who Simply wants to enforce the law. And they'll go after her as well. So so there's no doubt that Democrats are afraid well, well an and it seems to me they were playing footsie's at the beginning of this process, Kamala Harris making a plea for donations to get some of these folks out of jail. So they could get back out on the streets which we know they did because they got arrested again, but it's it's like the old Chinese. Proverb if you ride a tiger, it's hard to get off the various versions. But at some point, they have to dismount from this tiger that I think Democrats thought they were gonNA benefit from, and now it's become dangerous Jenny Durkan in Seattle they came to her home Ted Wheeler in in Portland Larry lightfoot. Lori lightfoot. In in Chicago, you have these various politicians who played footsie's with this organization until it turned on them. Yeah I think that's an interesting dynamic, and if there's any hope here, you would. You would. You would hope that at some point they're able to stand up at least behind the scenes and say something but you know I have to say I I am doubtful that without the right becoming more vocal. In calling this out in front of the American people at the Democrats will or the left will change because so far you're right I mean you know Laurie lightweight and Chicago doesn't like it when people show up at her house and she's GonNa stop that but is she really going to condemn you know violence in the movement wholesale maybe you're right we've seen a turn where they sort of realized we do have this tiger by the tail and we can't let go but we don't like This. But at the same time I mean look Biden shed a few things about violence being wrong Harris I mean she is she has said even less and they do not want to call out this organization and and look frankly nor do Republicans. Right. So until we can actually call this out explicitly all the time in in public especially politicians on the right I just I just don't see how it's going to stop the other aspect to it is beside shining a light on it, which is a must. The other aspect is, of course. Law Enforcement is actually when when there are laws being violated, law enforcement is going to have to act and when you look at what we've seen you know what I like to say is especially with Antifa but also with black lives matter the both of them combined they also, they often worked together. At what I like to say, this is not gonNA stop until it stopped. And what I mean by that is these are the sorts of activists. These are sort the people who the minority of people out there in America, but they gotta sorts of people who are going to continue to do what they've done and break the law until someone actually physically stops. and. That has to be law enforcement in America and so. You know I think that there's been some some places some regions have have really. Done a good job in turning the tide and saying, no, we're not going to allow this year. but but you know the the jury's still out on what we're GONNA do so both two things need to happen. We need politicians who clearly distinguish between what's acceptable and what's not when it comes to protesting, and then when it comes to harassment and violence, and then we're gonNA eat law enforcement that's willing to take the slings and arrows up the other side, which is gonNA say they're being they're being terrible and unjust and enforce the law. I think you're right. Matt Peterson. Is Vice President of Education Claremont Institute and Editor of the American mind you're a great guest comeback and see us Matt. Thank you so much for having me. You got it.
Episode 245: Arent You Forgetting Something?
"Trump, says Congress what Congress Chicago explodes and the NCWA send some ominous signs football fans that twenty twenty isn't going to be a year. Welcome to the editors hosted this week by me, AL CW CW COOK and featuring. Jim. If they canceled the season and the jets can't lose a game right garrity and Madeleine lower your flags and march straight back to England. Rich lowry is on vacation this week. Sponsors the conceived in Liberty. Speak. Series by the Bradley Foundation and the American Story Podcast by Claremont Institute more on which later. But I. President trump decides lay task say ma, he signed an executive order series of executive orders. Over the weekend. In which he well usurped the Legis the church didn't do what he wanted it to do. The executive orders do four things. One. Instructs. His administration to look into ways of helping Americans who are facing eviction wants not especially controversial doesn't really do much. The second extends the deferral of student loan obligations essentially allowing students who owe money to miss payments without penalties. The. Third. Extends the emergency supplemental unemployment insurance benefits from the Caz Act and the fourth, which is by far and away the most controversial. Suspense payroll tax payments for some workers through the end of the air although it doesn't right off the tax burden. Jim Conservatives made a big deal it when President Obama did such things and were upset when he promised to resort his pen and his phone, and now president trump looks as if he's doing the same thing though. Yeah. There were a couple objections here in there Ben Sasse stands out but by and large. There was very little objection from elected Republicans and really not even from be safe for the the right of center media World I. Guess I can get me no an additional bonus editor's pick in here in that I think you will live in and Adam j white wrote a really good piece for US laying this all out and observing about how. You can probably twist yourself into a pretzel saying, well, trump's is different because of this and because of that look, there's nothing else. This is the spiritual descendant of Barack Obama selling have a pen and a phone, and I'm going to take you know and basically deciding to enact DACA INDABA without Congressional concurrence without Congressional authorization without Congressional Action I. In the corner, the other day I. Like it was kind of remarkable is not a trump. Did it? No not surprising? This is this is incl-. Tirelessly in keeping with the way, trump sees his his view of the office I'm sure John. You would would ready to burst through the wall like the Kool aid man to say, Hey, you know there's A. There's a validation for this. This is how the presidency is supposed to operate, but I think a lot of conservatives look at this differently certainly, we looked very different the this differently when Obama was president and I think what I wrote in a corner post earlier this week and it really kind of sticking in my craw is not just the trump did this. But how little debate or discussion that there was there was really even I think the objection from Democrats was not so much on the constitutional grounds of the President does not have the authority to do this. It was much more in the context of Orangemen bad and if any if if if trump had given them everything they wanted. By direct executive action and ignoring the will of Congress they probably would have been fine with it. There is no inherent view of that I thought two thousand fourteen Sheila jackson-lee and a bunch of other democratic members of Congress. They had this whole press conference in ceremony where they introduced called drafted executive orders. This is right around the DACA decision and they basically were like these are executive orders. We'd like to see the president do and I think no, you're in the legislative branch you have a job under this system it's to introduce legislation and yes, that can be hard. It's meant to be hard. The founding fathers knew what they were doing your have to build consensus and it seems like it's this alien concept these days it like people really the dominant attitude and sadly I think as much on the Republican side or almost as much. On the Republican side as it is on the democratic side, is this the at the attitude of most people in politics elected or grassroots activists? The whole bulk caboodle is if I'm I, want I want what I want when I want it and I don't care how I get it and is ultimately anti-constitutional as bad enough when you know joe six pack thinks that but it's even worse than members of Congress think that because members of Congress. Big First thing they do upon taking office is to swear an oath to preserve, protect and defend the constitution right there. I, looked it up, see the words and they just. Ignore it, and they're completely comfortable with an idea of government that is completely at odds with the separation of powers in the constitution. So I began this week pretty aren't depressed. Charlie I. You know it wasn't that I was the lone American on this podcast I'm happy with that Now i. just a sense that those of us who've been arguing for the constitution. Just this old dusty document under the glass at the National Archives nobody really seems to think about too much anymore. Where we will skip over Jim's micro aggression, I am of course American to and been since two thousand eighteen. You're not an American. But like me, you are an immigrant and you came to America with a conception of how things are supposed to what does this bother you? When it doesn't. Yeah, it definitely doesn't I I agree with Jim. That it's annoying to see the hypocrisy of Democrats who do pay. To the Constitution win they're more than happy to completely bypass the constitution when it sits them. I actually think the Democrats are unlikely to sue or or certainly lead the legal charge against this executive action given that. The optics of it are not great. It would be essentially standing in the president's way as the president does something for the American people, which is very much needed. Like many things trump's does I came to get an sympathize with the impulse, which is that Democrats where very hard to negotiate with they were asking for way too much on their plans, which is totally disincentivize people to ever. Get unemployment, and that is a genuine problem not unindo sleep. I have friends who younger siblings or recent college graduates her living with her parents and nice affluent areas getting this this check coming every week can it's just why would they ever get job and I think that's obviously not sustainable. Think he's he was right that something has to be done This was not the way to do it I as a conservative on unfortunately and Charlie speak too much for this can this is obviously going to say rather unfortunate precedent if we ever want a progressive fan. Highly Progressive president, which is certainly postal. Am if you look at current pulling, then this could become a precedent on the point art partisan on Conservatives Parson. Hypocrisy and they say, well, you say you care about the constitution but actually when you had a conservative or sensibly conservative president seem to so So yeah, there's there's long term consequences. I'm less concerned both the the medium or short term consequences. Actually doing think that the payroll tax is particularly effective. 'cause my reading of the subjects is just the employers will withhold. The money and so when even it wouldn't even necessarily be advantageous to employees but yet the long term consequences are not great. Yeah, I agree with that. The one part I, suppose I diff A. On is the idea that this sets a precedent rather than ratifies it a precedent, right? We need to be clear about the provenance here and the scale. This pales in comparison to Obama's abuses but it is nevertheless a ratification, an endorsement of those abuses and unfortunately. We have seen the same Republican politicians who are apoplectic back in two thousand, thirteen, fourteen, either remain silent or in most cases Ben, Sasse in exception. Endorse this in some of even. Chuckled to themselves. Noted how clever. This is. Now. This is the wages of a bomber, ISM. Obama didn't just defer tax collection in an emergency. He refused to collect taxes entirely. Without any approval whatsoever with no underlying statute with no expensive law that could be squinted out with no emergency declaration that could be used as a justification nothing. He just did it because they were unpopular. And this is not. On the same scale, a STAKA which created positive new categories and effectively change the law, but it is precisely the same approach as Obama took. And it is just as damaging to our constitutional order, and this is a legislative function. It is arguably the most important legislative function. The best case here is that president trump can technically do what he did. Because Congress at another point said that he could in an emergency. and. Because the taxes aren't being. Written off that just being deferred but. It's an abuse even if that is true. And trump. Made it clear that it wasn't abuse. He suggested that one of the aims here. was to force Congress his hand he knows is going to be extremely difficult next year for Congress to ask people at the bottom of the income scale to pay taxes that were not taken out of their paychecks in a sense. What is done here is to create new facts on the ground. He went to Congress. He asked for a deal Congress set note for whatever reason it doesn't matter. In fact, it doesn't match Congress's reason was Yabu sucks we hate you. Said? No. And then he did it anyway and this is the same thing that that Obama did with Dacca. The idea of Dako was to create new facts on the ground and then dare Congress. To Undo it. And Bama was largely right in his calculation that it would and I think as Maddie says, trump is largely. Right in his calculation and the press will stay silent because it wants these unemployment benefits extended. The Democratic Party is not going to make too much I because of the politics, it's not great politics election year. To. Sue The president to raise taxes on poor people. Meanwhile, the constitution gets shredded justice. It did with Dacca and I know we have a lot of. Progressive. Listeners and most of them are. Thoughtful and Send. Interesting and considered emails I want to ask them well you. Twenty. Thirteen. Fourteen where was the Democratic Party? Where were the leading? Progressive rises I went nuts over Decca. I went nuts over Obama's unwillingness to enforce those parts of the affordable care act that he thought would be. Unpopular a law that he signed. I went nuts over trump's wall funding a couple of years ago and I'm happy to go nuts over this to this is disastrous for America. But where was the progressive movement where I was the Democratic Party when the seeds of this will being sown? And I remember back to Dhaka I'm show you do Jim. Every piece it seemed feature some random. Professor in Nebraska, a shoring the journalist writing. That what Obama was doing was one hundred percent legal. And that all of the other people. Who are objecting would probably racists and now those same people are all like, Hey, even article one, Bro. I remember, being told all procedural arguments of faecal disingenuous that no one cares about procedure. And we'd start. We'd say I actually support Dak legislatively, but then you'd be told you just trying to evade the question will wasn't an I'm not. This is really bad in needs to stop there's no excuse for it. I don't know if you guys saw us but Ronald Brownstein. said that trump doesn't understand any of this he stupid reactive. He's just doing whatever curse to him whatever he's. told to do, and maybe that's true but Obama wasn't. Obama was what a professor of Constitutional Law in knew what he was doing and he did it anyway. And I blame trump for this I am opposed to this trump should not have done it. It's not acceptable. There is no excuse. But Obama is complicit in this. And the people who justified Obama's behavior at the time are exactly the same as all of the Republican politicians who and now. Either Stang silent or saying it's OK again, Ben Sasse notably excluded. Those. People are hacks. Situation lists their operatives, and I hope next time. Have foresight. Sorry, Tim. Now. Trump by the animating spirit of both of these explicitly said by Obama and I don't think. I don't think trumpy precisely said this but this is definitely a big subtext is if Congress won't act I will. That's not what this country was founded upon, and in fact, you could argue it's very much what we fought a revolution against this idea that too much that this too much power should be concentrated in one part of the government. I think what's fascinating? Wise. Man told me longtime ago when I was having a Particularly frustrating. Argument and fight some other folks on the right is the difference between conservative and a right wing ideologue. The conservative cares about how you do something as much as what you're doing. The right wing ideologue doesn't really care how they get what they want to support that they get they want and the it's interesting to see the arguments from those who defend this from the trump perspectives at Congress is being unreasonable. Yes and I'm sure that's exactly how Obama felt about the Republican Congress back when he was you know contemplating Dhaka this. But the other great irony of course is that Obama, had spent several years insisting that he did not have the constitutional authority to do this all by himself that he needed Congress to act and that he and then all of A. Sudden my suspicion is that he realize that the sand in the hourglass were sinking through on his presidency. Then if he was going to do something like this, it was going to have to require this kind of pushing the constitutional boundaries, bending them arguably to the point of breaking and that was kind of the. So he was the one who you're spe interesting. Oh. Actually do I look Lo and behold I. had this constitutional authority was back behind the couch I didn't see it this idea that you know. Okay. Well, I'm going to do this. Now I have this now we have this permanent change in how we handle. Immigration in our country because I the president of decided this is so. by the way, we should take a moment to walk around A. John, Roberts, with sharp stick for his desertion in the court handled desolate probably make the argument that the trump administration's arguments were sloppy and not the most effective but in that Supreme Court case. But in the end I don't think enough Americans appreciate why they're wipe passing legislation is hard and why the stuff isn't supposed to be you know Bing, Bang boom you get it right through. Yeah. Happens the worst things are you actually want this whole philosophy of the Senate supposed to be this this saucer and the t cools in it before You Pass something because when you pass something and if in an emergency we pass something really fast. That's one bad ideas usually end up getting. Shoved through the door. Well, look at Tendulkar Abuse Jim I. Mean Look at the potential for abuser. As I say this Pales compared to Dhaka make it remotely. Okay. But IT PALES DACA created new categories of immigrants and it took the idea of prosecutorial discretion and it turned it into a fast. You can't collectively. Declined to prosecute there's no discretion involved in that but. But the potential hair is absolutely enormous Stephen. Moore. Who seems to have been the architect of this? Put out a press release nine seconds off President Trump announced these executive orders in which he said the election is now fifty fifty the Democrats are going to have to sue to raise taxes. He's pleased by the politics of it but where's the limiting principle there it would be nice. Wouldn't it for any president to be able to say I am not going to enforce taxes during an election year but they will be owed the end of it and I hope Congress will drop them if I win, which is what trump said but that's not how the system works. You have taxes being enforced unless there is an election year. You can't have say the. Laws that people dislike. Being onerous unless the president is down. In the polls. That's that's a recipe not not just for. Caprice and chaos, but it's also a recipe for corruption. Those laws are unacceptable repeal. What I WANNA know matter you mentioned the long term consequences of this is, is a you of the view that this will now be come the norm that Democrat presidents will do it. Republican presidents will do it, and we'll just shrug and remember the time when we had meaningful separation of powers or do you think there's anything in the more sophisticated pro-trump argument that you read on the right which is look the only points at which the people who defended this approach back during the Obama Administration will learn is if we do it to them and then they'll be a ceasefire mutually assured destruction and we were so congress to its rightful place. That's very naive perspective in fit very rarely works. I think when it comes to eight Dursey, the laughter Oh was willing to go much further and I don't think that just on a purely first principles faces i. just don't think there's any justification along those terms. The Fan I am curious about in this particular instance is whether there will be a kind of. Strange bipartisan. Effect of the executive order which the he managed to trump doing doing this managed to get Ben Sounds, or nice get Chuck Schumer to agree with Ben size that this was unconstitutional slow I think was the. Term used almost wonder if like this could actually be supplanted by some kind of bipartisan legislative package whether this would have akin of strange effects If if people can rally against this principle I, don't know if you have thoughts on that. Well certainly, an interesting point you raise, which is it's not just a matter of the Senate per se having its perogatives usurped but. It's Republicans to one of the problems back in two thousand, thirteen fourteen was that in order to make the case against Obama's behavior you had to say, well, you know Republicans won the house. In two thousand ten. And for those people who hate Republicans that was unconvincing here I think it's odd because it's not just the president trump has taken away the power of Chuck Schumer. Nancy Pelosi he's also undermining. The authority of all of those. Republicans in the Senate who said No. This was a bipartisan rejection. which has skated by and. I think that should focus a minds. Even those mindset appeared cynical purely outcome oriented the president has bucked his own party. He has taken away essentially the votes off Republican voters who chose to put. The Republican candidate for Senate in there rather than a democrat. So we've now reached the point at which this is not purely a Democrat versus Republican left be right question. But a question of branch free Brunch. And I am I'm interested by that idea Mattie I. Don't have a great deal of faith though that Congress will rise up and Reassert itself because the dirty little secret hey is the vast majority of people in Congress, in an election year don't want to take. Difficult votes and don't want to be accused of bucking. The president as far as Republicans are concern, which is what they would have to do to to override. A veto Jim do you have thoughts on the likelihood of that? You know again, it's been deeply the one hand I. Early this week I was thinking about how? Any party has a hard time standing up to their own president. It's just it's baked in the cake. Right you go to fight with your own the president of your own party. The president can always get back at you. You're always in a situation read like the president to do favors whether it's you know you want your district, you WanNa fundraiser. So this baked in the nature of our of our modern politics members of Congress are not eager to really stand up to their own president navy president in trump who loves to lash out at people who piss him off, who loves to get revenge who love it we saw immediately went on this tirade about Ben saw Ben. Sasse. Right. So you've got this almost perfect storm, which is very few incentives to do the right thing to say no Mr President, you don't really have that. But as I mentioned at the Sheila jackson-lee example in this kind of gradually creeping attitude towards the war powers act members of Congress want to support something if it's popular. and. Then if it's unpopular, they want to run fleeing and they don't want to have anything to do with it and so as bad as as trump has been during this. The vast majority of Republicans who are still in Congress obviously, fewer fewer of them in the house and there used to be. are comfortable with this because trump takes most of the flack trump goes off and crazy directions and they have to hide from reporters but by and large they get you know down and stay in there. It's generally stay in office or their hope to stay in office. And you know the my suspicion is that we saw massive waves of Republicans retiring in two thousand eighteen retiring this cycle. It's because members members of the house realize this is what the job is. Now you're sort of figure head you don't really do you're you're not really a CO equal branch of government you're just somebody who's like one of the you know lower lower tier ax in this endless circus that the trump administration and so I I I can get why they do that. But in the end, this is you know if you don't want these constitutional duties Joe Run for Congress. 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So the police, their side of this story is that this was in response to or the pretexts for this looting wasn't response to disinformation. So they as you summarize, they said that there was an active shooter here the show I think he was a twenty year old male. This was posted on facebook as them having short a fifty fifteen year old boy in the face. This was then a call to arms and I think this question is that this was basically organized criminals just like taking advantage of mass hysteria am what seems to be too can. Immediate thoughts to this I am the first is that given that there was for warning and you should see this buildup online Why weren't they able to can see coming in and do more? To. Stop. It and I think if you if you zoom oh look at. The Democratic Mayor Laurie Hey, she's handled. That various stages of the of the riots It's it's been the same pattern that most democratic municipalities half, which is just a lot of virtuous signaling not a lot of decisive action. This was slightly worse as well. In that on Saturday, she had taken to twitter to Taylor some sunbathers. Am I think she she said it's called upon denic people and and described as his reckless behavior. The fact that I think it was mostly gay actually congregating with their shirts off and on. And yet back in July, she tweeted our unequivocal support for the for the protesters expressing their first amendment rights. So there's just like there's a in here. People are getting fed up and then I. think the most damning statement in my view came from police superintendent who said. Basically said criminal this happened because criminals knew that they could take to the streets in this way. I know have any consequences for their actions. So when your own police superintendent is saying that I think that you really need to kind of. Get. Your Act together. Yeah. So Jim as Maddie says, Lori lightfoot the Mayor of Chicago has been all over the place in her rhetoric and displayed some. Fairly, brazen double standards. Tell me if you think this is fat I read. Laurie light fits condemnation. Of the looting she said, this was a brazen and criminal looting and destruction. This is not anywhere near acceptable and I thought what acceptable was interesting because the application there, and this is bolstered in my reading by her other statements has been some of the previous violence has been acceptable at least it has been overexuberance in the service of a legitimate course whereas with this, she say own don't do that that takes it too far to what extent is she now suffering the consequences of her own unwillingness to condemn lawbreaking earlier in the cycle. Is going to say this is not the first time the magnificent mile and Chicago attack there was video people. Just a whole crowds rampaging into the Nike store coming out with shoe boxes and t shirts and everything they could possibly get their hands on. So this has happened before not that long ago In fact I think somebody's observed that the glass the Nike Store did not get broken this time. They may have upgraded it to a much more impact resistant glass. Your modern reality of being in a downtown city in twenty twenty I. Kind of wonder if this week is going to be if this turns out to be factor in the twenty twenty elections November. And things do not turn out as badly for the Republicans as people think and I think it's you know there's still The future is still unwritten on this I. Think this past week may be seen as a turning point and it's kind of couple interesting and things. The first is the New York Times wrote this piece deeply reported from Seattle and said, you, know a headline was abolished the police, those who survived the cast and Seattle aren't so sure what is it like when a city abandoned a neighborhood and the police vanished business owners describe a harrowing experience calling for help and being left all alone. Now this ran on August seventh. It was covering events that occurred in July and a whole bunch of people were saying, Hey, this is what I was hearing from social media around the ground the whole time the rest of the New York Times is telling me this is all Hunky Dory. This was all just a big street festival and nobody needed the cops nonstop. But as if there was this like this giant sudden correction in which the New York Times at Oh wait actually when they tried to do away with the police. And the the Bob took over a neighborhood in Seattle it didn't turn out as well as we initially thought. So then you have but I, I, still have this feeling that this will you're seeing initially saw in Seattle and you saw it in Portland that there was not necessarily break breakthrough and make you know Mr and Mrs Middle? America feel nervous about this in part because Seattle and Portland have these reputations of these cities full of Weirdos we remember Lancia Seattle's had the protests going back the WTO, the nine Hundred Ninety S. Okay. They have a bunch of crazy lefties out there. That's kind of what they've always been, etc.. The image Monday morning of them, raising the bridges on the river in Chicago. as Charlie, you've probably noticed everything about the world entirely comes for movies and I was reminded of Batman begins, which ended you know the fear gas spreading all over Gotham city and people are losing their minds. It is chaos. It is anarchy and they raised the bridges to contain the violence and anarchy life is imitating art and what was supposed to be a portrait of a city beyond control. Unfortunately, there is no Batman and so here's this kind of this interesting Oh this can happen in Chicago. This can happen in downtown Chicago. Up until recently, we thought Chicago is the place where the biggest menace were these Maga. Hat wearing maniacs. Actors on the show from. Empire. But in fact, know this this magnificent mile can be you know anomaly trashed with graffiti and such you can see my understanding was was. A SATIRIC CD Jeff saying that people are coming up with you halls And just cleaning up the stores that everything they could get their hands on There is a pattern here and Republicans can make this case I think anybody who you know. that. Right now, you have this pattern of the BLASIO lightfoot in Chicago. Ted Wheeler and Jenny Durkan in Portland and Seattle who just shrink in the face of this serious threat to law abiding citizens and private property, and in the end we talked that last segment about members of Congress who don't really want to the job of being a member of Congress here you have mayors who don't really want to be mayor they don't. Want to enforce the laws they don't want to be in this position. They don't want to confront this power problem because doing so might alienate some of their political allies or I suspect they fear they'll have a challenge from the Left Guess What folks? This is the job you signed up for this is the job you campaign for get out there and do it. But they will not and I think there's an argument that even if this is you know even if these cities are always going to be electing Democrats almost worth noting they're probably some people in the nineteen eighties without Repub, the New York would never elect a Republican mayor. Then, you know basically Republicans can say look we have our flaws were not perfect but we understand that there must be law there must be order and that just because people claim to be acting in the name of noble cause, they can't run around and do things they can't steal things they can't destroy other people's property i. think that's a message most Americans will go for and I think that you know Democrats are really skating thin ice and I think that New York Times article saying Hey Seattle didn't turn out. So well was in early important indicator of this Mattie what's your res on that as? Conservatives say family. In many cases the the cities in which these problems tend to arise are run by the Democratic, party and so merely instructing people to go and vote is unlikely to change much Chicago I believe has not had a republican mass since one, thousand, nine, hundred, thirty, one. Almost a century. So, merely putting up billboards and saying how important it is to turn up the ballot box is. Unlikely, to change a great deal and yet it is true that. Voters close to those cities. Often. Do Change Their voting habits as a result of this sort of activity. In one reason Illinois, a state used to go read in presidential elections. was. Crime. Yes Chicago State, Democrat controlled. But Illinois was not. And of course, as Jim says, if you push too far, you will end up with Republicans in charges we saw in New York with Rudy Giuliani only just. Cal Smith pointed this out this week that. Giuliani one that watershed election. With fifty one percent of the vote was it was not a landslide. So I wanted to do you think that? It is likely that this will. Change. Some mines or is this baked in or perhaps this is trump and the Republican party likely to suffer because people say well, look through the president as. Well there is a obviously there's. A kind of amuses me that in New York. where I am Thurs being this mass accidents of all the the rich liberals. are in the hunt. And it's funny because people who hold these views about well, actually to fund the place. Yes. Absolutely wherever they live in Nice affluent gated communities. And they're able to get out of the danger areas I. Think Ordinary Americans don't hop that can luxury I mean if you look at if you look at pulling data. Especially, as it pertains to pull rising, generally do Actually, people are not anywhere near as partisan as. Politicians assuming they are they're actually They're they really care mostly in peace. You know kind comes down and actually on on a day-to-day level being able to let them safe securities. So fundamental that I could see don translating into voting as you say the it'd be it'd be very easy to exaggerate that or to overplay it. But I definitely think is created an opening for US serious law and order candidate Republican candidates can make the case for why what they're offering important right now. I think it's In the background while you were speaking, we could hear police sirens. I don't I don't actually leading the nice part time Charlie. So, this is a personal issue for me. Yeah. You don't want to defend those police sirens. Exactly. They're actually a comforting to me. Well, second sponsor this week is the American story. PODCAST, by the Clermont Institute. The American story is a free weekly short-form podcast that aims to reveal and remind listeners of the goodness of our country, our country, Jim, hosts Chris Flannery at the Claremont Institute explores the ideas, events and people that have shaped the American way of life and understanding of what it is to be American Jim. As. The United States becomes increasingly disunited. 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You can find all the episodes and you can subscribe for free on apple podcasts, Google podcasts, spotify, or on your preferred podcast platform. That's the American story podcast. By the Claremont Institute. So yesterday morning. began to bubble up on twitter that always not well in the world of college football. I'm currently taking a break from twitter but whenever something interesting happens on twitter people, send me the tweets. So I saw the five all six. Offending tweets and I must say heart sank I am in North Florida College football is absolutely Enormously popular. It is read on a Saturday to see anyone who isn't wearing either a Florida gator shirt or Georgia bulldogs shut or whatever team. They started following back home before they moved to. North Florida. Jim. I don't know to what extent your college football fan but I know you're a big sports guy in general does this worry you in terms of sports for twenty twenty and also in terms of the full in twenty twenty? On all these levels. My interest in college football is generally well, I know the jets are going to be terrible. So let's they're going to be drafting next year. pull. The. Easy thing to root for you shift from team to team. Quickly sorry I have a quick story, but the jets when I was some a tourist I am actually went to jets game and I go into this massive found. This is before New, York I got massive foam finger on sitting there with my boyfriend at the time with this big phone figure and somebody behind US win who would buy a foam finger we suck. Just felt I just felt totally. Just like Ben, the Finger Day of course. They, did lose quite. So that is the inmate which. Isolate. Exactly. How could you tell twenty fourth two, thousand, fourteen? Yeah late late late Rex Ryan early Todd Bowles Yeah those are bad year anyway Yes. Sorry. Mattie you deserve to be treated better than some guy can take you to a jets game but at least you got to meet some of the innate positivity and optimism because she did say boyfriend at the time. So she cleaned like. Sounds like upgraded. Anyway. The look. College football is a really big deal not just in the south but in a whole bunch of parts of the country where there isn't a pro team where in you know whether it's Gainesville, Happy Valley in in Pennsylvania by and large. These are parts of the country where you know this what you do on Saturday this is what you. Get excited about if you ever watch you know College Game Day where you see pretty much not just the entire campus but the entire community come out in these swarms by some of the biggest stadiums at the country are college football stadiums was University of Michigan I wanNA say their attendance is more than one hundred, thousand people I mean these are huge deals. And so obviously, this is this is almost akin to canceling Christmas, this is a disappointment on an epic scale for some of these communities I suppose you could try to from that trying to extrapolate what's the mood of the country going to be come November you know is that GonNa. Be reflects badly for incumbents or is it going to people in people in a bad mood? We'll probably have a lot of reasons to be in a bad mood in the fall. But the indicate look people kind of recognize I wrote about this for a little while ago. The NBA can proclaim the bubble the NHL players in two Canadian cities and get through it. Okay. Baseball. Had some bumps in the road. Thank you Florida. Marlins. I'm sorry. Miami Marlins. In my mind. Sally the whole state with the. Marlins. A The One of those things college football, it's just tougher. The rosters are bigger more players are on the field they're crashing into each other. It's going to be really tough to prevent the spread and there's been this thing. Is there any way they're gonna be able to pull this off and I? They said we're not GONNA do at a conference games and now over the last forty eight hours, it looks like the season is likely to be other canceled entirely or maybe one or two conferences are going to. Try to do it. Maybe some teams will not go along with the decision of their conference. It looks like if we get any college football this fall, it's going to be very, very limited and that's going to be. That's going to be a deep bummer for a lot of people but I think what's more it kind of indicates look this. This has been an ordeal I've been having. You know talks of my sons who are like, you know how much longer is this going to go on and? Miss My kids and we've all been putting up with this since at least mid March. But? The. God's middle of August. You know we've had AK ships cancel the can't travel give Americans leave the country. You know. It's gotTa be over soon right? Well, maybe not. As we get closer to winter. Cold and flu season begins You'd like to think that the isolation we've been doing would minimize the spread of that. But you know people talent, the medical experts who telling people since that flu shots available go out and get it because you don't want to be. The hospitals deal with everybody having the flu at the same time. They're still dealing with the dealing with the current coronavirus were supposed to get the vaccine late this year early next year probably won't be distributed on a massive scale until let's say late winter early spring. You know we may or may not have football this this this fall we may have another miserable winter ahead of us more intriguing ideas being kicked around the idea of doing spring football in college football. He kind had that option you. You nobody else's using those stadiums than you can probably arrange it. Maybe that would be a good idea maybe it worked out. For a lot of these teams but you know just another one more giant bitter pill to swallow in a year. We're all just you know feelings. We've got one after another just a deeply frustrating set of circumstances s I have to say this came as a little bit of a surprise to me. Most of the sports obsessive know had been predicting this but. It felt to me because I'm such a big baseball fan. That things were improving perhaps purely because I've got to watch baseball every night for the last two weeks and also that the schools reopening here in Florida and the cases certainly in my county really dropping and a bunch of people I'm friendly with have started flying again and I was getting the impression. Hey, this. This looks like it's improving a little bit and then this this news came came out of the blue now Maddie I know you're not. A college football fan and. You could say that journey. Surely. My story indicated great with us was your first exposure to the game was was the jets and I. Just assume you run away from it. But scoring. Except, the players are professionals. But it's Not a college football fan mighty. But but I, I wonder whether you shed my growing sense of optimism or. Whether I've been kidding myself and this fits perfectly within your worldview anticipation. Well I. Don't I don't know if I had many expectations because it's not something I spent an awful lot time. Thank you. But my to says a person who doesn't spend a little time to give it. This is that the first is. For in terms of safety for the players themselves like I kind of thought SIPOS dangerous. gave me maybe I'm missing something here, but I would have so. There's there's quite a high risk of injury in that game anyway, and so throwing in the chance of catching Kerr devices is maybe now. That that different in terms of the risks of the game at least for the players themselves the the bigger issue I think is is obviously a domino effect. This has on the economy because I didn't quick Google. At different universities, actually get in revenue from his absolute enormous. Alabama I think is seventy, seven, million and six point five million that goes to their academic programs. This this really devastating effect I think a knock on effect on. So many other aspects of life for for these communities where cultural. Thing in that say nothing of people who have scholarships I mean if you're a male player I think my understanding is you have a biological clock and so you only have. So many years to kind have really. Shoe show you what your potential So it's really sad did not respect and also I suppose theat if some conferences Pelote, then it really can strict on on the whole on thing I'm imagining like the World Cup, where Lake Esley France Spain or in it, and then well, if you know if there's only three. Countries participating would really be a victory. If these championships went ahead, I don't really know I. think There's there's a law old side. There's a lot of consequences that would come from something like this. So it shouldn't be done lately. Yeah. That's one reason why. A number of people said to me. I'm not sure that we're going to get college football nfl for that matter. I thought I. Don't know because as you say, this is a four billion dollar. Industry. We don't need to relitigate the. Issues with the way the is set up but Maddie you're absolutely right. This is one of the main funnels of money into colleges and it doesn't just affect their sports programs. So. Jim, do you have any thoughts on? How that's going to affect not just two colleges per se but football going forward chair well. They've already given up March madness, the a traditional spring basketball tournament, which is a huge ratings and has sixty four disruptive sixty eight teams. Once you have the play games and stuff that's a huge deal both for the networks for advertisers for all schools that participate you look back on the blog of INSTA- Pundit Glenn Reynolds, and he's been talking about the the coming collapse of higher education or the bursting bubble of higher education and some people might say, okay ready for the bubble burst by now But this it's it hasn't been a bursting of the bubble it has been a slow motion process but you. Are Starting to see universities and colleges are realizing Oh. We've we've gotten used to being able to hike tuition well beyond the range of rate of inflation year after year decade. After decade, we may have hit the ceiling of what people can afford to pay even when they get loans even with government aid etcetera etcetera, and now all of a sudden like one of the one of the legs of the stool that's holding him up is GonNa get kicked out there. They're not going to have all that revenue from college sports, their use having Stanford University which has the I think the third biggest down in the Country Announce that they're getting rid of not all but I think it was like a half a close to a dozen of their non revenue generating sports the you don't get a lot of money from rowing competitions from gymnastics, volleyball all the other sports in a perfectly good sports and God bless every student athletes participated. But unfortunately, they're not shown on ESPN all through Saturdays and on Fox and on. ABC, on Saturday nights. So you don't get that giant television revenue so you don't get the money come in it. So people you know they're generally the revenue from football and basketball has managed to support these sports and eat at. Stanford University with this giant endowment is saying, we can't afford to keep doing this. A lot of schools are going GonNa look at this and say I don't know if we can get to you these programs at all and there may be some schools that have said they're thinking about not keeping their college football program that they're not with the one of the ones. That's you know getting huge numbers of victories. It's huge corporate sponsors and selling out large luxury boxes and all the ways you make money. Some schools might look at the cost, the cost of the program what is bringing in and saying this isn't necessarily worth it. For those of us thought that college, the higher education drastically needed some sweeping reforms and for those of us who thought that the college athletics world was increasingly turned corrupt under the NCAA. The basically colleges had decided to become the developmental leagues for the NFL and NBA, and that this was not it more and more colleges restrain away from their purpose, which was to educate young people. That maybe this is going to lead to some ness some some improvements down the road. But for now, it's going to be supremely painful for a whole bunch of schools at Bisley believed the money was just gonNa keep flowing in forever and ever we know it's been interrupted for one year, and my sneaking suspicion is that we're going to have long lasting lingering changes to our culture. I couldn't sports culture including idea that you know we're just not gonNA count the how do you compare baseball camp statistics for this year? To all previous years when there's only sixty games, how do you compare you know go nobody knows who's going to win the NBA Championship? Because they had this China interruption to the year some guys opted out it's going to be nothing. Twenty twenty is really going to be comparable to what happened before and we're hoping we get back to normal but none of us have any real idea about when people will be back in our lives. On that depressing note. Trying injected at a levity with our light items, Mattie. Your Mama's discovered facebook filters. Yes. So so. Raise it is great and the time like this to have ways, it's not only talking to your family live abroad but seeing them unday. and My mom who is very Very Smart Accomplished woman. Just thinks that there's nothing more serious than life than than these filters that turn you into a watermelon nor turn you into our bunny rabbit or? or Elvis, Presley. This actually happened I initially by accident we're having quite serious conversation actually. Which I would I would bore you with the details on in any case GM pit some button. And there he was Elvis on she just I'm also has this thing where she she when she starts laughing she just starts crying with laughter and she won't stop it's very infectious. So yet she's she's been really enjoying the facebook filters as as I am indirectly. Good. With really bad news. I'm sorry I don't think Auntie module is going to make it and she's which you know what the would be kind of like out Glaswegian we have very dark says if you are though my mom, my mom's English is I think mentioned she before which is supposed makes me half? English but that's another story and certainly not a late we'll have a crossing Tim You think everyone is in the same boat. Yeah. In previous editions of this podcast with came to the lighter items talked about doing online happy hours and You know socially distance get togethers with the other parents our kids it dawned on me of the day. There are certain people I'm hearing from more often certain friends through online. Forms of chat than I did before the pandemic when we'd have to bother to pick up the phone and talk to each other and our conversations are generally how you doing and you'll be quickly realized everybody's in the same boat in the sense that everybody's got the same problems everybody's kind of you know. Kids are going nuts They're not going to have school in the fall you know online learnings. Ridiculous. are you going anywhere might be going someplace but you know they they wanNA fourteen everybody's in the same situation and I wrote the first morning jolt of the week talking about. If you're having a tough time getting through this and you have you feel like your wits end feel like you're you're ready to tear your hair out. It's okay. Because everybody's in this situation you're not alone. You're. You're you're not doing that bad. If you're if you're on this side of the dirt, you're doing. Okay. If your kids learned anything during distance learning, you did a good job. If you're still employed, you're doing something, right? You know this kind of the sense I don't know if people are giving themselves enough credit. For. Getting through what is a really challenging time and so every time I talked to my friends if you're a little bit better on this front and it's that recognition that no, there is nobody out there who is Whipping up amazing recipes every day and you know figuring out and they've lost twenty pounds and you know. Everybody is struggling with this in one form or another you just may not be able to see it. So if you're having a hard time, it's okay you just means you're a human being and we're going through a really extraordinary time and you know talk with everybody else you have this book all in this boat together and we will all sail through these stormy seas one way or another, and you know this is a shared hardship that we're all. GonNa look back on this and laugh. Someday. This is a nice little segway to my light item, which is Daniel Tiger's pbs kids show that is based on Mister Rogers. Mister Rogers esque. Monologue there jim very welcome one. Daniel Tiger is a a nice show and it revolves around lessons extremely useful for kids. Tells them that when they're feeling angry that count to Tan shows them that it's normal to be upset or feel jealous. And it's been great. We just subscribed to. PBS. Amazon prime channel I suppose you would call it to get this and it really shows you the kids absorb whatever it is they watching I mean. If my kids watch jake and the Neverland Pirates for example, on Disney plus and I have to scold them. We'll tell them not to stand on the table or to. put down a fork. and. They will say, Oh, you're. Response, which is not really what I'm looking for but with Daniel Tiger they. Don't internalize the lessons but they feed them back to me. How they're supposed to be well behaved or feeling a little bit angry at being scalded but that's okay. It'll jingles that they. Sing. So. If you haven't watched Daniel Tiger and you have young kids, I would recommend it not only. Kids show within the. Collection, but certainly a so corrective to the pirates brace worry about spider-man. Convey Belt on which you have probably found yourself. A lost item is our editor's picks Mattie. What's yours? I really enjoy a rich and Ramesh is why trump's losing? He's I thought it was both forceful unfair which is a rare combination when discussing president. So I thought opposite greet which I've Kylie recommend. Magazine piece that's now up on National Review Dot Com. Jim Guarantee. What's your edges pick? So, readers probably notice the most Democratic primary I'd kept a series of articles on the Democrat. It's twenty things you probably didn't know about each candidate and Fred flights who has worked in the National Security Profession took Rhode. A kind of a day with five more things. You probably didn't know about Susan Rice Susan Rice is being speculated as a likely choice for Joe Biden to be his running mate In fact, by the time you hear this, you may know. This listeners. But who the the running mate is and I'm obviously I would not ordinarily like somebody else coming along and saying, Hey, here's more stuff. Jim Should've mentioned but Fred is a very nice job with us and he lays out kind of like just a good perspective on Rice's duties how she handled it and what it was like to serve under that and all the headaches they made plenty of reasons for conservatives be nervous plenty of reasons for Americans to think. We have a sharp elbowed bureaucrat who is very good at covering her tail but not necessarily getting the job done Read it, check it out and heat it. Hopefully, this will be Oh, maybe this will not be maybe this'll be irrelevant a couple of days but considering I was Susan Rice's probably going to have some job in Abidin Administration. You should read this and be prepared for that eventuality. I think now every time you write one of your things you may not know about I'm going to write a follow up. The says one thing Jim guarantee missed. I presented that I twenty I didn't put Benghazi, and then there's really well you. Benghazi. About Benghazi. You probably didn't know. That's true. That's true. My edits pick is the series of pieces that one of summit interns Luther Able wrote from Portland Oregon. He volunteered to go out there and Witness the unrest and he's been writing it up he went down to. Protest outside a police station. He's spoken to some locals and done a bunch of interviews. All of them are interesting and worth reading and. Well done. Well. That is all we have this week you've been listening to the editors she a national review podcast. I've been filling in this week for rich lowry and the other guests have been Jim Jimgeraghty. And Madeleine Kerns we will be back later in the week with the second episode. Until. Then thanks to the Bradley Foundation on the Clermont Institute and to all of you for listening we will see you next time.
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From san diego who traveled to washington dc for the protests on the six of january ashley abbott entered the united states capitol and was killed unarmed by someone who we now know his name now. I was one of the first people to mention his name on television. I was one of the first people to talk about him. And it's lieutenant bird and he has now he is now doing a massive press campaign to try and save his reputation. He said he has been cleared by all the authorities and he's saying that he saved countless lives. The only deaths that we know of from that day are either people that died of unrelated injuries afterwards. Suicides that happen afterwards or lieutenant. Bird killing ashley. Babbitt shooting her as she was unarmed. Now we have been lectured for years that we need to rein in police officers who have too much force that kill their own citizens and usually we side with the police on this because usually the police act prudently but we look at every situation independently and come to our own conclusion. We're not ideologues when it comes to this issue. No one should be. But the left is b. l. emma's blm or ideologues and they have been silent on the killing of ashley babbitt. In fact they're almost supportive of it. In fact some republican senators. And if you're listening on the flag radio network. I was texting back and forth the senator kramer. He is supportive of this officer. Who killed ashley. Abbott which i think is an inexcusable position. And i think very highly of senator kramer. I just couldn't disagree more with this idea that it's okay to shoot an unarmed person. Who's a veteran. Who's not even coming near. Who just puts her head up and a window bang. So i wanna go back in time i my conversation with the wonderful and the terrific and the impressive maria bartiromo where i said six weeks ago. It looks like that. It is lieutenant michael bird. This was six weeks ago. We were the first person to say it on cable television. Play cut one. Oh nine charlie. I wanna get your take on. Who fatally shot ashley babbitt. What do you know. There were still in the allegedly phase but according to realclearpolitics real clear investigations. It looks. that looks like it's. We're pretty certain to believe that. It's a man by the name of lieutenant. Bird michael bird and there's more information that's come out around this. I think in the coming weeks months so we were the first people mention on cable television and we were right so in play to cuts here one of seven. Who killed ashley. Michael bird killed ashley. That was back on july eleventh. Well it feels like yesterday. Michael bird says on one. Oh seven that. He showed the utmost courage when he shot and executed an unarmed woman. Caught one zero seven the any concern about showing your face and identifying. Of course i do. That is very vital point. And it's something that is frightening. I believe i showed the utmost carriage on january six. And it's time for me to do that now. So it's courage and i can't believe the media's tolerating us the old there's an obvious reason why the media's tolerating this it's because it's a person who shot a trump supporter that's why the media's tolerating this. The media is tolerating this entire narrative. Because it's a black police officer who shot a white trump supporter. Who's a veteran and a deplorable course that narrative doesn't bother them in fact deep down. Some members of the media are cheering that on the fact that this interview was what it was disgusting caught one. Oh wait. I saved countless lives really. How many people. That ashley babbitt kill. She was walking around with the flag and she goes up to a window and bang. Shoot her in the forehead. You don't have courage your coward. You should have been held criminally accountable but our justice system. we know what our justice systems. We know what that is play. Cut one oh wait. I spent countless years and preparing for such a moment you to hope that moment never occurs but you prepare as best you can. I know that day. I saved countless lives. How did you save countless lives now. Seriously how do you not get pushback for saying that. Have you actually seen the video ashley. Babbitt is climbing up to a window. Unarmed no weapons and he is all the way down the hall and you just kills her. That does not equate saving countless lives. How many people that actually babotila day. How many people do the trump supporters killed that day in fact despite all of the narratives the police officers did not die at that moment due to the related injuries. That happened because of what happened that day. We'll get the exact specifics on it. But some of them died because of heart attacks or trauma afterwards. Killing person does not equal saving countless lives. And i'm going to say this again. The reason why the media's covering for this guy it's because it's a black liberal person who shot a white trump supporter if it was the other way around. Could you imagine if a white cop shot a blm activists last summer when they burned down our country when dozens of secret service agents were injured at the white house. Could you imagine if a white secret service agent shot a black activist and this all had to come out on the liberal media terms. I'm sure he has the best press. Press press person from pelosi's office managing it and the other reason why he did this. This is all because pelosi understand the game. That's being played here. Is that pelosi's running the january six commission and she doesn't want to have republicans. Have a complaint be like well. What about ashley abbott. What about ashley abbott. So she decided and this is the barack obama strategy and it worked in his book audacity of hope which is to lead with the negative and propagandize the public around. It's then it's no longer news so now when you bring it up and it was like oh that's old news. It's called the old news tactic. You guys see this done a lot. Hillary clinton did this with their emails. trying to think who else did joe biden. Did this tactic that politicians who have media cover do or they will expose themselves to the most negative coverage get sympathy for and they get protection from the regime then after a week. Everyone thinks it's old news and you move past it. Hunter biden this as well by the way. Oh yeah. I was smoking cocaine out of the carpet. Oh we feel so sorry for hunter than if you bring it up. It's old news and they feel sorry for you. It's called the old news tactic. Well he was sniffing crack out of the carpet. Cut one tucker carlson asked. Is it really courageous to shoot. An unarmed woman. Caught one hundred ten. I should the utmost courage by executing unarmed woman without warning her first. That's the utmost courage if we live in a country where we looked at past. That's courage no. That's not courage. I mean we can argue about whether it was justified or not notice. Nobody is arguing. People are just praising him including republican members of congress. You should be ashamed of themselves low. We call that courage. We've devalued the term and there are republican members of congress. That are saying. It's a wonderful thing that that michael bird killed on armed trump veterans supporter. I'm going to read some of those. Is that really the quality of the republican party now. Praising the execution of trump veterans who are unarmed. And people say well. They shouldn't have been there. 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And if that means getting joe biden impeached or removed or such pressure that he has to do so resigning in disgrace so be it and my evidence for this. Let's say he resigns which is unlikely but you never know because of health reasons or whatever. Gerald ford was never treated as a legitimate president now. Gerald ford was elected. Because spiro agnew resigned. Gerald ford was appointed in respond in kind as a feeling of it but successor presidents have mixed results in american history. And there's plenty of them. Teddy roosevelt ended up being a very effective successor. President to william mckinley. We have many examples. I think warren g harding resigned. Didn't he connor. Warren g harding. I think resigned after the teapot dome scandal. And then calvin. Coolidge became president. I could be wrong factor on that. My nineteen twenty corrupt ohio. Politician memory is not what it used to be. Lb yeah and then of course lyndon johnson was a successor to john f. kennedy successor sometimes have trouble governing because they do not have a specific mandate very few people go and vote for vice president and people say well camera harris will be worse. Warranty harding really die in office. I knew that there was a successor. I thought he resigned. That's really interesting. I didn't realize he died. Okay so warren harding awful. President went wilson harding coolidge. Hoover is that right. Wilson harding coolidge. My my list was right okay and so there was a lot of turmoil in those first twenty years in one thousand nine hundred and my point is this. Is people say well. Camera harris is going to be worse. Joe biden is already doing what camera harris would do. He is just as radical. There is not a moderate position in this entire white house. Remove him while you can take the opportunity. When you can de-legitimize the regime create upheaval. What would camera harris do. Joe biden not doing what camera harris keep the southern border wide. Open it's being done. Grant amnesty to illegal. it's being done spent trillions of dollars. We don't have it's being done. Screw up kabul royally. It's being done so a lot of people are saying that if we remove him. Be careful what you wish for. We already have what we don't want and successor. President's post truman have had difficulty governing the country difficulty managing multiple crises. and now. that's not a perfect rule. maybe kamala harris would be much worse. Maybe she would go into more radical direction. But here's what i will say camera harris's double digits less favorable amongst independence then. Joe biden is joe. Biden does not bother independence. Camera harris scares independence. Her cackle her tone. Her approach her air against her views. Her radicalism camera harris is younger. Diversity style hillary clinton in fact. Msn says that camera harris has an unprecedented negative rating. America just doesn't have a good feeling about vice president camel harris. And you think that as soon as she does more press conferences. That's going to go up of course. Not camel hair is so unpopular. That gavin newsom doesn't even what camera harris to get to to come to california in fact camera. Harris is seventeen points. Less popular than mike pence was and mike pence was not even viewed very popular look favorably. Thirteen points net. Different seventeen points now. Vice presidents are tricky things. Al gore dick. Cheney joe biden mike pence camera harris but camera harris has the lowest total positive rate the highest total negative rate of any vice president in the modern era. So that's who you want to try to have run the country with the same sort of policy positions so be it challenged the regime when you can do. I think joe biden is gonna resign. I think he'll resign if we keep the pressure on enough. I don't think he can physically or mentally handle many more days like this. Joe biden cannot handle the stress or the pressure obviously. He took eleven days off as the taliban took over afghanistan. And look before you any further. Ama you guys know that. I want all of you to learn from great books. Thinker dot org slash. Charlie is a place where you can consume big ideas in a short period of time key insights from dangerous ideas. A brief history of the censorship in the west from the ancients to fake news is our thinker dot. Org book of the week. Here's what you'll learn. You'll learn that. Censorship is temptation as old as speech itself and it has proven the preferred option over tolerance and open discussions throughout our history journalists and human rights. Lawyer eric berkovitz. He walks you through the tension between speech and suppression in western history highlighting events that have shaped the movement towards free speech and the temptation to curtail it. 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My daughter choose chose to stand her ground. We left my question is what can we do here. In texas of reached out to the governor's office the attorney general the superintendent. And nothing's happening. This has to end. Thank you. I love your show amber. Thank you the reason why your daughter is being forced to wear masks regardless of what the texas legislature has passed and governor grab greg. Abbott has signed into law is because leftists democrats and liberals that run these schools. They are not afraid of the consequence. They're not afraid of the potential penalty. That will come down if they violate the law. That republicans pass we're experiencing this right now. In scottsdale i gave my speech at the scottsdale unified school district. A couple of days ago. Where i told the scottsdale unified school district. They are breaking arizona. Law by mandating masks on children. Despite governor doug ducey is signed into law and they basically shrug it off and i say delta variant we can do whatever we want so amber. Let me connect to things for you. The reason why the head of the san antonio school district thinks can they can do whatever they want is because when they see democrats flee the state of texas to try to block quorum and no one gets arrested. It plays into the narrative that the regime of the media will protect you if you rebel against republicans but if republicans rebel against democrats they will crush you. For example. my friend in chicago is one of the people at the board timothy christian school and at timothy christian. They they said you know what we understand. There's a mass mandate we're gonna look at all the data before we make a decision without even a phone call. The illinois state board of education revoked their charter immediately full penalty amber if the governor of texas or the attorney general was serious about protecting children and actually enforcing the law. They would use political power to go after the san antonio school district. So what can you do be happy to connect you with some legal support. I don't know how successful that will be. Your daughter had asthma attacks this week. Probably because she's being forced to wear a mask all day long which is child abuse and there is no epidemiological reason for it instead mask. Mandates are basically being pushed by these social control freaks that love to control their people's lives. Cicero who was a one year roman council and wrote extensively about political power and was one of the people that helped frame the american system of government thousands of years before he he was a contemporary of julius caesar he was actually killed by different triumphant. By bruce was involved in that. I could be mistaken. They cut off. His head was a little bit of a sarcastic artist. If you will. He was a bestselling author. I wrote my book the maga- doctrine that cicero was trump before trump. Anyway cicero had a quote and james madison had his own version of the quote where it said quote the more laws the less justice and james madison had his own quote. One of the fathers of the american constitution where he said the more voluminous the laws. The less likely justice will occur so. I have my own quote building on the backs of the great cicero and james madison. Which is the more rules the more tyrants the more rules there are the more very sad people are all of a sudden going to feel empowered and emboldened to try to micromanage your child's masking behavior. She had eight asthma attacks this week. And the principal principal told her that she has to wear the mask or leave. Campus and your daughter chose to stand her ground. The only way this gets fixed everybody is if republicans who have political power decide to be a legitimate check and balance. I was on a flight the other day in an american airlines flight and this flight attendant came up to me and again. I have a very good relationship with flight. Attendants is not about flight attendants. I've complimented flight attendants endlessly this flight. Attendant she she should never be in charge of anything consequential she would've been sali's revered enforcers. She's a tyrant walking through the schicchi found pleasure in managing people's masking behavior. So she came up to me and she said you have the wrong type of mask. I don't even know what she meant. She said that it was not fully covering it. I wore the mask on planes multiple times and she was so insistent and angry and mean about it. I thought to myself that's when the quote said the only reason that she is important as she is as far as managing what goes on. My face is because of all these ridiculous rules that are passed the more rules the more tyrants you want to stop. This descent into authoritarianism will repeal the silly rules. Charlie's at a fair question now is our president compromised consistent bad policy decisions which reward our enemies such as china russia and opec now is the time the find out before this president does any further damage to our country. Look i've said for quite a while. That joe biden is being puppeteer d- and is quite honestly being controlled by the chinese communist party. We know that hunter biden did extensive business dealings with the chinese communist party. We know that. Tony bob ski came out and said that there was ten percent for the big man who put aside and dealings with a chinese communist party. We know that hunter biden is selling garbage pieces of art for hundreds of thousands of dollars. I believe that merrill might be a black male operation against joe biden. Very well might be that. Joe biden is being controlled and is being is being blackmailed for behalf of the chinese communist party and a taiwan moment is coming everybody. I'm telling we have predicted this for a couple months. There is going to be a moment of reckoning. With taiwan will joe biden inside with taiwan and america or with the chinese communist party. His owners his employees his employer. Who has they've invested in him for quite a while you're trying to say is all of a sudden going to back down. I don't know about that. I joe biden has always sold themselves out to the highest bidder. Next question here. Paul from iowa charlie. Do you think that we should reinvade afghanistan at this point. Thanks so much. No that would be a disaster and so let me make sure that you know that my position is clear. And how are our own opinion on this program is different than some of the neoconservative orthodoxy of some of the republicans. You are going to see paraded on television over the next couple of days ending the war afghanistan was the right move that donald trump had. How you ended is very important. If you find out that you have a tumor you don't take pocket and just start removing how you do something is very important but now many republicans and people that are part of the war industry want to reinvade afghanistan and stay their permanently. That would be a mistake on top of a mistake on top of mistake and to further the analogy. How you do something matters. You have to do heart surgery and you don't do it right. You kill the host if you do not do it exactly correctly and do it right. Well leon panetta went on television on cnn and said look. We're gonna have to go back into afghanistan to get isis. We're gonna have to go back in to get al qaeda. We can't leave the battlefield but we can. We can leave the battlefield. We can't leave the war on terrorism. Now one of the reasons why the war on terrorism is such a threat against america is because of our foolish immigration policies. We let in way too many people into our country including on traveler visas if we had a stricter regulation the flow of people into our country. It wouldn't matter is much. But leon panetta is part of the globalist project and open. Borders is part of that entire a kind of worldview. So therefore you need a neoconservative foreign policy perspective to justify the open borders and vice versa with international global trade cut ninety four. We're going to have to go back in to get isis or probably going to go have to go back. In a win al qaeda resurrects itself as they will with this alabama. They've gave safe haven to of before they'll probably do it again. So you know. I understand that we're trying to get our troops out of there but the bottom line is we can leave a battlefield but we can't leave the war on terrorism which still is a threat to our security we can leave the battlefield but we cannot leave our war on terrorism so we gotta keep the perpetual war machine going and leon panetta is probably paid by a lot of these think tanks that are compromised that are constantly arguing for perpetual war in a country halfway around the world. I fear right now that we are now going to hear the neoconservative warmongers to say. Now we gotta go right back in the reckless imprudent withdrawal from joe biden is actually opening the door for the war machine to get even more involved in the region. Was that the goal. I don't know was the military generals so angry that we had to withdraw that they did it intentionally wrong to try to justify another invasion of fight our own weapons for another twenty years. I don't know to give an example of how reckless this withdrawal has been. Cut eighty nine general mackenzie reveals that. The united states is sharing intelligence with the taliban and relying on them for protection. You would only share intelligence with the taliban if maybe general mackenzie wants another twenty. Your war in kabul cut eighty nine. The other thing we do is we share versions of this information with the taliban so that they can actually do some searching out there force and we believe that such acts have been ordered by them. Again we've been doing this for a long. We've been doing this or chain. this is this is an attack. it's been carried out. We believe is awesome. Others have been thwarted. We cut down the information. You have the taliban a whole range of information we have but we give them enough to act in time and space to try to prevent these now remember. The taliban is going around killing afghans and christians. We trust them by the way. Did you hear what he said. He was so of sending remember. We've been doing this a long time. You've been failing miserably for a long time. You see how arrogant guy is. Oh yeah don't you know we've been here for twenty years. Now you lost the war general. Mackenzie we're supposed to trust you. Your loser now. What a great. Ama says before we go any further. I want to tell you. I wanna play a short clip from a hillsdale online course with dr mcclay. The great american story land of hope and again you guys have heard me plug hillsdale before it's charlie f. o. r. hillsdale dot com. Take the aristotle course take the constitution. Course take the federalist papers. Course take the winston. Churchill course charlie f. o. r. hillsdale dot com. That's charlie for hillsdale dot com. Listen to this short snippet. This should get your attention. Charlie for hillsdale dot com. Take a listen. There wasn't much time after the victory over germany and japan for popping champagne corks and celebrating just as the fifteen nations that had joined in defeating the axis. Powers were drafting a charter. For the united nations in san francisco the victorious alliance between the united states and the soviet union was falling apart. War alliance between the united states and britain and the soviet union was tactical exclusively. There was no other ideological or sentimental attachment between the nations and as the war appeared to be one in europe's spring of nineteen forty five. The red army began occupying more and more portions of eastern europe with the clear intention of establishing a soviet empire. This is what exactly what church was worried about. In march of nineteen forty six winston churchill gave a speech in america which he uttered a phrase that would live on for a long time said that from stettin in the baltic to trieste in the adriatic and iron curtain has descended across the continent. So what to do about this expansionist tendency join fighting a war. Well what. Truman arrived at the conclusion heavily influenced by the writings of george cannon. At american diplomat in russia who believed that soviet expansionism was actually a result of the insecure unstable nature of the regime itself and that the process of expansion was actually a way of holding that regime together and that if expansion was prevent it was contained then the regime in due course would turn on itself and collapse. This doctor came to be known as containment because it was a way of fighting the soviet regime by containing it rather than by defeating at any rate a sustained confrontation between the two remaining superpowers in the world That would come to be called the cold. The cold war turned hot in nineteen fifty on the korean peninsula. A which had been divided since the end of the war between communist forces in the north that were aligned with the soviet union and democratic forces in the south were aligned with the united states. This led to an invasion on june twenty-fifth nineteen fifty of some eighty thousand north. Korean troops swept into the south very nearly conquering it. and Truman invoked the nations and the american response was funneled through the united nations. As it was called the police action rather than a war. There was no declaration of war. The war went very badly until channel. Douglas mccarthur got involved performed a brilliant amphibious invasion at inchon which cut off the north korean troops and lead quickly to be able to round them up defeat them and then head north and eight kept going north and finally approached. The chinese border that wind quarter of a million chinese troops in on macarthur and drove him back to south korea with the battleline. Finally stabilizing around the thirty eighth parallel at this point. The garth and truman got deadlocked in conflict. Because the gardner thought the time was right the justification was there for what he called a whole new war. A war against china against communist china. That would succeed. In overthrowing this unfriendly hostile noxious communist regime that had just taken power And thus avert the prospect of a sino-soviet chinese and soviet alliance that could come to dominate the world. The time was right to take that on. Truman on the other hand thought this was absolutely the wrong thing that would be. He called it a booby-trap to go into a war in china and rejected the idea mcgarth. Her criticized dreaming publicly in an official letter to the house. Minority labour said there is no substitute for victory. In other words. They rejection of the containment doctrine. There's no printing the fact though that the korean war was at best stalemate it remains a people divided to this day. there is no settlement of the war. the war is simply suspended so in some ways it illustrates some of the unsatisfactory aspects of the containment doctrine. That situation to be resolved again. Charlie for hillsdale dot com everybody charlie f. hillsdale dot com and now more of our. Ask me anything always on monday. Enjoy washing here from david. Basically do you think we should reinvade. I just wanna say the coming debate on the right is whether or not we should re invade afghanistan after this and the answer is no no no a prudent withdrawal and retribution. For killing of the marines can be done in a way that does not require the reinvasion of the country. This humiliating defeat was preventable. Avoidable what we do from this point four and must be deterrence and with force and within strength. It didn't have to be this way but saying that we need another two hundred thousand troops back in afghanistan. senator mitch. Mcconnell sent a tweet saying we need to stay in afghanistan for as long as it takes you give general mackenzie as long as it takes his great grandchildren. We'll be saying we need another twenty years in afghanistan. Wanna get two more questions here. You guys have been emailing us some very good ones freedom at charlie. Kirk dot com. I wanna do one on afghan. Someone says charlie. Do you think that we should take in these afghan refugees. I of course said no. We can help them. Why don't we just send them all the germany. Angela merkel loves middle easterners. That don't share the german culture. Just sent them all to bavaria. So nice this time of year. It's actually really cloudy. Most of the year eighty eighty-six stephen miller vast majority of incoming one hundred thousand afghans rendered no meaningful assistance cut eighty-six. Do you trust this administration to that. These people before they touchdown on us soil. Not least what. I've heard from my government sources about this evacuation is horrifying over one hundred thousand. Afghan nationals have been removed from the country the vast majority of whom have rendered no meaningful assistance. The united states government in the war effort. The only common thread among them is the taliban. Let them through and they want to leave afghanistan that's it. That's the qualifying criteria. That's the qualifying criteria. Mean that they'll come into the country and be potential voters last question here. Joseph dear charlie. I'm fifteen almost sixteen years old from iowa. I'm deeply concerned about my future in my age. Already have a business going. And i'm not worried about money. I'm worried that i won't have a country to live in by the time i'm an adult. What do i do thanks joseph. That's a legitimate concern. The country is falling apart right now. So joseph now you at a young age have to step up and fix the mistakes that were made before you lead your parents towards political activism and engagement professor as our ad from clermont institute and chris bedford said this on our podcast earlier. This week which i thought was a phenomenal point. Which is we have only started to fight. I want you to think about a new york. Times headline homeschool revolution helps steer 'em homeschool revolution post cove in nineteen in two thousand nineteen. Two thousand twenty thousand twenty. One steered america back to conservative roots. Now i do want to say those that are interested in homeschooling. The best curriculum k one two dot hillsdale dot. Edu it's k one two dot hillsdale dot edu dot hillsdale dot edu to get the homeschooling curriculum but we have only begun to fight. We're we're. we're seeing the home school renaissance right. Now we're seeing pastor. Start to rise up and we have actually just launched turning-point faith. You guys can see that at dot com slash faith if that interests you as well teepee usa dot com slash faith joseph. I'm telling you that now is the time to start to get back into the fight. And maybe you don't wanna do that. You say charlie. What does that look. We've override different ways that we do that a turning point usa and for adults listening right now. The country will fall apart if you do nothing school. Boards are everything city councils matter more than you can ever imagine mentor. Young people spend at least an hour a day with your your kids and grandkids an hour a day. Maybe an hour a week going through the great ideas that built the civilization the books that inspired this five thousand year miracle joseph we can win and we will when we got better ideas we got courage hopefully have a lot of courage and conviction we just need more people to rise up. I can tell you the the adults out there. I'm getting thousands of e mails from fifteen sixteen and seventeen year olds. That don't think they're gonna have to country to grow up in. That should motivate everyone to start fighting more. And i believe we have just started fighting back. We have laid over the last fifty sixty years and finally. There's a counter offensive. A sabotage campaign launched against the insidious aims and objectives of the left. Thanks so much listening. Everybody email us your thoughts. Freedom at charlie kirk dot com. 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The Takeaways From Robert Mueller's Testimony Before Congress
"Support for this podcast and the following message come from xfinity now you can get enhanced security for your home wifi network with Xfinity X. Fi if it's connected it's protected now that simple easy awesome awesome go to xfinity dot com call one eight hundred xfinity or visit a store today to learn more restrictions apply from N._P._R.. W._B.. You are Boston I magnin Chakrabarti and this is on point Robert. Muller's appearance on Capitol Hill might have been highly anticipated but was it highly effective well. It depends on who you ask. Of course some congressional Democrats had hoped the former special counsel with articulated clear case for impeachment did he move the needle on that while Republican Congressman John Ratcliffe of Texas says yes muller moved a needle just not in the way Democrats may want. I think the main takeaway today is the impeachment balloon popped completely today well that put House Speaker Nancy Fancy Pelosi in an interesting position yesterday after Muller's testimony she said that this is about quote the Congress the Constitution and the courts and we are fighting the president in the courts end quote Pelosi added that if Democrats move forward with impeachment they I will do so if they have the strongest possible case. I'd like to be a strong case is because I it's based on the facts the facts in the law that's what matters not politics not partisanship just patriotism Chisolm this hour on point Robert Muller's testimony and the impeachment question now and you can join us did the molar hearings chain how your thinking about the possible impeachment of the President of the United States has the balloon popped as we just heard or do you expect more developments to come. Do you want Democrats to act now or put this issue to rest join US anytime at some point radio dot org or twitter and facebook at on point radio. We'll start first today in Washington with Paula Salaried C._B._S.. News White House correspondent focusing on the Justice Department and Legal Affairs as well Paula. It's always great to have you happy to be here. Okay so first of all give us your take on where you hear Nancy Pelosi and congressional Democrats now on on the impeachment question did anything change substantially from Muller's testimony. Yesterday doesn't appear that move the needle. What's interesting to me though is they're still keeping the door open just a little and that surprising to me because when we talked to voters when we look at our polls? Nobody seems seems to have a real appetite for this. Certainly there are Democrats. <hes> a group of Democrats <hes> supporters and voters who would like to see Democrats push forward with this issue and of course within the party <hes> there's there's various opinion but for the most part people are focused on kitchen table issues and there is concern <hes> that if Democrats try to get to wrapped up in this they're not paying attention to the real issues and they do also risk giving the president what he wants which is a fight. He wants to show reporters that he is the victim of quote presidential harassment Rasmi. He thinks yesterday went well enough that he will be able to convince voters of that okay well. We have a listener on twitter Paulo who has said I don't think Pelosi will budge. She's too afraid to make a mistake and in this listeners opinion <hes> the president will win twenty twenty no matter what so Pelosi should start impeachment proceedings congress should still try the listener says to do its job there so disappointed in America. I mean did you hear. Did you hear Nancy Pelosi using anymore. Language around sort of the principles of the the power that Congress has as a CO equal branch of government yesterday and she's talking about this has to be based on the facts and if the fact support case we should pursue it but let's be clear. It's more complicated than that right. It's not just about the facts about twenty twenty for democrats. It's about taking back the White House for Republicans. It's about keeping the White House ever Democrats they want to be if if they want to be successful and post pushing for their agenda they suddenly need more house <hes> more seats in the Senate <hes> they probably want some more in the house. I think it's too simplistic implicit to say we're just GonNa let the fact lead where they may and there's a danger inherent in focusing too much on this issue of impeachment when there are so many voters who wanna see them more focused on healthcare on jobs on infrastructure on other issues okay well it but but in that case though they still brought mall rubber subpoenaed Robert Muller to testify before to House committees yesterday I mean what do you think was the real golden into in doing this. I'll be honest I'm not sure because even even before this hearing we had talked to people who worked with the special counsel the former special counsel who suggested there were concerns about how he would perform under this kind of circumstance. They said look he's not quite the guy he used to be and we saw in that performance <hes> there were moments where he struggled to recall facts in his investigation he often asked for questions to be repeated and he largely a Republicans were allowed to repeat often unsubstantiated claims that attacks against the origins of the investigation without him pushing back. He didn't want to check that he didn't WanNa get into it so when you look at this look at this back you'll get democrats and you think <hes> some of you guys knew this would be. This would be the kind of performance. Didn't you see this coming. What exactly is it that you hope that this would achieve? I Know Adam Schiff has said that he wanted Muller to bring the report to life. Anyone who's watched one of Robert Muller's previous congressional hearings. I don't think it's fair to expect him. Anyone would expect him to bring something to life. They'll give you a fax. I'll give you gravitas but but it's not like it's going to be a riveting audiobook of his four hundred page report. I it's really unclear what it was that they're going to achieve here. I mean he's always been a very straight Arrow and <hes> yes no guy and I have to note that that for <hes> most of US could not hope to hold a candle to the kind of service that Robert Muller has provided to this nation over the course of many decades here so I think it was a little bit of a shock a lot of people were were were discussing sort of Moller's affect yesterday and you're saying that that <hes> the members of Congress sort of knew that that might happen yeah based on my reporting. This is something we've been. We've been reporting out offer for a few weeks because we had heard this from people at work with him and no one's making taking any diagnosis or saying anything too extreme. They're saying hey he's not quite the person he used to be so we're not sure how he would perform under the circumstance that for any anyone especially as mere mortals is very stressful and he's done this many times before over the course of these five hours the performance was was at best <hes> inconsistent and there were certainly moments where we are pretty surprised that he wasn't more familiar with the intricacies of his report and sometimes just had trouble really coming to to Chris Conclusions yeah but it's still behooves us as Americans to look upon the totality of his career with the utmost respect but let's just play a little bit of sound here from a couple of moments in yesterday's testimony where where Muller was asked about the impeachment questions so first here's representative Mike Johnson from Louisiana. He was the last Republican to Question Muller during the Judiciary Committee hearing yesterday and he asked about impeachment our colleagues on the other side of the allergist won't political cover. They desperately wanted you today to tell them they should impeach the president but the one thing you have said very clearly today is that your report is complete and thorough and you completely agree with and stand by its recommendations and all of its content is that right crew Mr Mr Mueller one last important question. Your report does not recommend impeachment does it. I'm not gonNA talked about <hes> recommendations. It does not include that impeach would be appropriate here. I'm not gonNA talk about that. <hes> that issue that's Robert Muller responding to questions from representative of Mike Johnson Republican Democratic Congresswoman Veronica Escobar of Texas quoted from the Muller report where it's written that <hes> a muller did not want to quote potentially preempt constitutional processes for addressing presidential misconduct so Escobar asked Muller to elaborate on those processes. What are those constitutional processes? I think I heard you mentioned at least one impeachment correct comment okay that is one of the constitutional processes listed in the report in the footnote in volume to you. That's <hes> democratic. Congresswoman Veronica Escobar questioning Robert Muller Paula Reid hang on here for just second because I want to hear some thoughts now from Jill wine banks. She also joins us from Washington. She was a special prosecutor. During Watergate she served as general counsel of the United States from nineteen seventy seven to nine hundred eighty. Jill wind banks welcome to you. Hi thank you good to be with. It's good to have you back on the show so let me first of all ask you heard those two moments there directly addressing the impeachment question. Do you think Muller's testimony is going to have any effect on how Congress or Democrat I should say should move forward. I think that it will encourage them to continue the investigation as he clearly was suggesting and although he he did not say the word impeachment it is clearly laid out in the report as the right way to go. He has concluded that he can't indict because of the office of legal counsel not because there's not enough evidence because he made clear that the evidence of obstruction is there and that it satisfies all the legal requirements as does the opinion of a thousand former federal prosecutors including the and so they could indict if you weren't the president but he is so they're prevented ended and therefore they have to go with the alternative remedy of impeachment and I think that people saw the facts laid out there that the report has been misrepresented by Attorney General Bar and by Donald Trump and so it's not surprising you were talking about that. He declared that this was a great day and he was you know happy and cleared well of course. He said he was cleared. He said that the report exonerated him. When all you have to do is read any one of a number of times report that it says as we did not exonerate the president and so he falsely claimed that yesterday was a great day I think enough facts came out yesterday about the obstruction and the specific acts of obstruction that the next step for for Congress is to call the fact witnesses? I don't think having a summary witness like muller would ever have had the impact if even Leandra Gorski or Archie Cox who were at the top of their game and really smart smart and very passionate speakers <hes> even they wouldn't have known the underlying facts in the same way the team members would jill. Can I just ask a question here because you heard Paula Reid earlier. <hes> say okay that she's not sure what the Democrats point or hope was in having muller testify and I hear you just now say we'll there. There were facts enumerated here but is that what the American people heard yesterday because they also heard Republicans Mercilessly Ursula slee attacking not just a special counsel but the entire process of the investigation as well well. Let me answer this way. I think that people who watch Fox News heard exactly they add an only that they I heard the diversions of the Republicans the Republicans did not address at any moment the facts laid out in the report. They did not challenge the evidence of obstruction that is laid out. Out they did not challenge that all three elements of the crime of obstruction were satisfied in at least five instances and they didn't address the fact that stonewalling congress is a separate and impeachable Bible offense which was the third articles of impeachment against Nixon so yes people watch box and Breitbart and other conservative news media's will be like the Ammash supporter who said I had no idea there was anything being negative in the report. We'll Jill Bank stand by for a moment. 'cause we just have to take a quick break. Paula Reid hanging there with us. We are talking about the impeachment question now. In the aftermath of Robert Muller's testimony yesterday. This is on point. This podcast and following message are sponsored by Xfinity. Some things are hard to control roll like over caffeinated co-workers other things are easy to control like you're in Home Wifi with Xfinity X. Fi set wi fi curfew change your password and create user profiles all with the X. Fi app another reason why xfinity is simple easy awesome go online call one eight hundred xfinity or visit a store to learn more restrictions apply this point I magnin Chakrabarti. We're talking this hour about the impeachment question. In now following Robert Muller's public testimony on Capitol Hill yesterday. Paula Reid joins us today she C._B._S.. News White House correspondent focusing on the Justice Department and Legal Affairs and you'll wind bank has also with us. She was a Watergate Special Prosecutor and <hes> Paula and Jill. If I may WANNA play two more moments from yesterday's <hes> hearings to sort of describe the different cases that we heard being made by Republicans and Democrats so first of all here's John Ratcliffe Texas Republican look in he's on both the House intelligence and Judiciary Committee's. He was on Fox News yesterday talking about the hearings you can't impeach the president on obstruction charges when the special counsel admits that they apply to legal standard to the president president that has never been applied to anyone in the history of American jurisprudence before which is something that Bob Muller admitted today. It's Congressman John Ratcliffe Texas Republican now in his opening remarks yesterday in the House Intelligence Committee Chairman Democrat Adam Schiff said the Muller report tells a story and he laid out what he believes that story is it's one of quote disloyalty to country about greed and about lies and then shift said this disloyalty may not have been criminal constrained by uncooperative witnesses the destruction of documents in the use of encrypted communications. Your team was not able to establish each of the elements of the crime of conspiracy. I see beyond a reasonable doubt so not a provable crime in any event but I think maybe something worse. A crime is the violation of law written by Congress but this loyalty into country violates the very oath of citizenship our devotion to a core principle on which our nation was founded that we the people and not some foreign power that wishes il we decide who governs <music> us. Let's Adam Schiff chairman of the House Intelligence Committee just yesterday Paula. Let me start with you on this one. I listened to shifts opening statement. What I heard there was shift trying to lay the groundwork for impeachment each mint preceding which are inherently political right? I mean we can talk about what maybe we've revealed. Information wise through the subpoenas that House Democrats have in the courts but ultimately which is a political process and that is what shift is driving at here with his talk about betrayal and disloyalty and citizenship was effective and doing that this was actually out of Chavez most effective because over the course of this investigation. He has gotten out over skis. If you times <hes> there was one instance where he said of course we have evidence of collusion. The Russian investigation report came out and that was not the case what's important here in his remarks is that he is trying to highlight one of the key themes. The Democrats wanted highlight through this which is that hey guys. Russia meddled in our election. Even Special Counsel Robert Muller says this is one of the most significant issues he's ever seen and the White House doesn't appear to be doing anything about it now. Muller would go on to testify that in fact the trump campaign was designing some of their their communication patient strategy around some of the ways that Russia was meddling. I I think what Democrats and Republicans to have to rectify is. Do you want a political retribution solution. Do you want to go after peach mint or try to throw Democrats under the bus for attacking the president or do you want to do something. That's Ford Looking. How do we prevent this just last week? Senior White House officials told me Russia continues to metal they say the trump administration told him not to knock it off but they continue to do it and we'll into the next election specifically. They're focused focused on social media <hes> in sowing discord on issues like race and gun specifically so when they talk about how they want to address this issue shift just laid out impeachment isn't the only option on the table and in fact. I think there are a legitimate questions about what is best for the democracy and how do you remedy what happened in two thousand sixteen. Is Impeachment really the best remedy or is it trying to get together with some sort of bipartisan solution to actually detour Russia and other adversaries from doing this again Jilin banks. What's your take on that well? I agree with most of what Paul said and she said it's so well but I don't think this is an either or choice. A lot of legislation was passed during the Nixon impeachment process and could be and I certainly agree that AH legislation to protect our elections is essential today it has to be done because if anything is clear from yesterday it's that there was Russian meddling that it was in favor of Donald Trump and that it has has to be stopped and nothing is being done to stop it and that they are currently right this minute as we talk they are doing it. <hes> I would take a lawyer's disagreement with whether shift first of all I agree he was completely brilliant yesterday and he laid out very compelling case <hes> but when when you say that he was out over escape skis saying that there was evidence of collusion remember the collusion is not a crime I would substitute the word cooperation the operation and clearly we saw yesterday the cooperation between Russia and the trump campaign both in terms of the trump campaign sharing information with the Russians and then following the lead of the Russians in targeting targeting and voter suppression and so I think you might be able to say there was collusion even if there wasn't as he said a provable crime and just because you don't have approval crime for example if a defendant is not convicted he is not declared innocent. He is simply declared there wasn't enough evidence to convict you so <hes> that's where I would come out on that and I think that the support for impeachment will foul actual evidence from the witnesses that people can see and judge for themselves just like the Manafort your who said this whole investigation is a hoax but I saw the evidence against Manafort and I voted to convict victim and all eighteen counts so they may think it was a hoax but when they see the evidence and the evidence summarized by Muller is not the evidence Don mcgann's testimony is the evidence Lewin Douse. Ke's testimony anti Donaldson's tecmo. That's that's evidence. That's what we'll move the needle so those are the those are the fact-finding hearings that you that you wish to see now now in fact Jill a while ago month or so ago we had you on the show to talk about this issue in anticipation of Rubber Muller testifying and at that time you said something very similar that you wanted to hear more factfinding hearings in order for there to be an education process for the public and at that time you also said that you know it's not just muller but you had hoped that if and when Muller testifies that he corrected misrepresentations in your mind that came from Attorney General Bill Bar that that was part of the public education process here. Did you hear Muller do that yesterday yes I did because he said I did not exonerate and he didn't specifically yet to the point where <hes> Barr says he turned it over to me to make the decision. I mean clearly that isn't the case. I didn't hear it as clearly as I would have liked to have heard it but yes I did the one point where I would say although I never was supportive of Muller being the person relied upon <hes> and partly because he is not a passionate speaker and that's what we need to hear is delivery with conviction <hes> but I do think we heard enough from him that it was very effective and that when you combine it with the actual witnesses that people will be persuaded persuaded that's what happened. During <hes> Watergate support for impeachment was way LO look way lower than it is even in the new dropped numbers yeah <hes> and approval ratings for Nixon were off the chart high was like over over sixty percent and as the hearing started the numbers inverted and it dropped to more than a majority supporting impeachment and almost no one supporting and giving approval to the president so I I yeah I do believe facts matter even in this era of a multiplication of media outlets so that we can all live in our own bubble and not believe anything you know other than what the President says. If you're watching Fox News <hes> and Dan I think even in this era there will be enough moderate or independence who will listen and who will be swayed. WE'LL JILL wind banks joining us from Washington. She was a Watergate Special Prosecutor and served as General Counsel from the of the U._S.. Army from nineteen seventy seven to nineteen eighty joulwan banks. It's always great to have you. Thank you for taking the time today. Thank you Meghna scraping with you so Paul. I want to get to a caller or two here but let me just quickly ask you because Jill. We'll just said that she wants to hear more factfinding hearings <hes> with key witnesses out of the Muller report or involved in this issue. Are we going to have those. I can't keep up with all the hearing so are they coming not if the White House has anything to say about it the White House is is really testing the limits <hes> executive privilege to try to keep most of those witnesses prevent most of those witnesses from testifying and even if they do testified behind closed doors or an open session. They're trying to limit what it is. They can talk about so even though House Democrats are newly embolden I wither subpoena power for the most part. The White House is just trying to blunt these investigations which is part of why they really haven't yielded a very much so far okay well. Let's go to the callers. Kathy is calling from Newton Massachusetts Kathy. You're on the Air Hi hi I actually thought it Bowlers <hes> testimony. Yesterday did change my mind when his report came out. I thought that they should go for impeachment but now I think is he was brilliant prosecutor that didn't force the houses hand to go to impeachment immediately but would allow these fact-finding mission no not mission but <hes> hearings <hes> that will lay out the facts and bring more people to understand that. What happened was just wrong will cathy? Thank you so much for your call so let's hear a response to that from John Eastman who joins us now from Orange California. He's a professor of Law and community service at Chapman University Fowler our school of law and founding director of the Clermont Institutes Center for Constitutional Jurisprudence John Eastman welcome to you. Thanks very much so respond to what you heard Kathy say just there. Do you think that <hes> perhaps <hes> Muller did some kind of unexpected favor for Democrats that no I you know the one thing that came out of the hearing yesterday <hes> that I think was the most stunning revelation is the fact that Mr Molar believed <hes> that inquiry into Glenn Simpson's meetings when the tally of the Kaaba she's the person that met with Donald trump junior and the infamous trump tower meeting that <hes> Glenn Simpson from Fusion G._P._S. met with her both the day before and the day after that meeting making pretty clear that meeting was a setup now. Why is that significant because Glenn Simpson at Fusion G._P._S. had been hired by the Clinton campaign to create the opposition research that led to the Michael Steele dossier on trump dossier we now know ahead among its sources to high level Russian intelligence agents Vox Vodka slob Trooper GonNa Cough and Wladyslaw Surkov troops to cough and then the former Russian foreign intelligence chief and sure cough was close advisor to President Putin of Russia those were the sources are among the sources for the Michael Steele dossier Christopher Christopher Steele? I'm sorry Christopher Steele dossier <hes> that was hired a you know <hes> commissioned by Fusion G._P._S. on the payroll of the Clinton campaign illegally by the way because they laundered money through the the Perkins Koi Law Firm to pay for that opposition research without reporting it on their federal election campaign <hes> forms now <hes> Glenn Simpson at Fusion G._P._S. meets with the Natalia of the Khyber the night before and the a day after the trump tower meeting and Miller was asked directly about that because his charge as was you know and I'm looking at the the original may seventeenth charging order <hes> to investigate Russian interference the two thousand sixteen presidential election related matters. It's not limited to the trump campaign's connections with Russia. It's all of the Russian interference and the notion that Mr Mueller thought that Glenn Simpson meeting with this Russian agent <hes> to set up the trump tower meeting <hes> to create this narrative that it was the trump campaign that was working with Russia when in fact we now know it was the Clinton campaign that was working directly and had paid for opposition research from Russian sources the the fact that Muller thought that was beyond the scope of authority demonstrated without without doubt that this was a partisan <hes> investigation from the get-go and that was a stunning revelation and I don't know why more people are not talking about it because this the biggest scandal in American history that was what led to the FIS warrants that allowed the Obama Administration who was supporting Hillary Clinton to spy on the opposing political campaign during presidential election. That's the that's significant -nificant disclosure that we got out of yesterday's hearing and you all aren't talking about it at almost about it yeah so okay so Paul. I'm going to let you do that in just a second but the Professor Eastman if if I may just laid out a lot of names and and events here can you just summarize briefly <hes> for those of us who haven't been able to read into this in that much detail why you think this is significant and then Paul L. Hear from you the Clinton campaign and the D._N._C. funneled millions of dollars to their law firm Perkins Koi among that hundreds of thousands of dollars went to fusion G._P._S. to pay for opposition research that was illegal because it was not properly disclosed on the campaign finance forms you can't you can't launder money through your law offer saying it's for legal services when it's for hiring fusion G._P._S. to conduct opposition research fusion fusion G._p._s. then retained Christopher Steele to do an opposition report on Mr Trump we now know <hes> from from information released in public records act requests <hes> <hes> from last May that among Mr Steele sources were too high ranking Russians <hes> the the former intelligence head <hes> Trubnikov and it close advisor observed President Putin's circle off this these sources is what are you know are sourced in the steele dossier. That dossier is used <hes> to get the Obama administration paint fire fiso warrants to to spy on president trump's key campaign advice okay donning so so Paul. I'M GONNA turn back to you on your to respond to this but I'm also right now looking at an October two thousand seventeen New York Times report that reminds us said that the Washington Free Beacon Conservative website that was funded by New York Hedge Fund billionaire billionaire Paul Singer Conservative website here. I hired the firm Fusion G._P._S. in two thousand fifteen to explicitly on earth damaging information formation about Republican presidential candidates including Mr Trump and they stopped funding fusion G._P._S. in two thousand sixteen and then the Clinton campaign took it up from there so it's a long and complicated backstory but Paula go ahead and start giving us a responsive through just have a minute and a half before we have to take a quick break sure yes. The Clinton campaign hired a steel to create this dossier the F._B._i.. Got It. They were a little career robbery parts of it but don all of it was used as one part of the evidence is poor defies application but before we we allege a Republican conspiracy. That's trying to protect Democrats. Remember you had Attorney General Jeff sessions is the one who appointed William Bar. He was overseeing by along Lifelong Republican Rod Rosenstein and Muller is of course a lifelong Republican. There is an an investigation into the origins of the Russia probe but to suggest that he somehow missed the fact that Democrats coordinating with Russians he laid out two hundred pages of contacts between the trump campaign and Russia and if anyone had it incentive to sort of investigate Democrats at Russia's Russians Russians would be all of these Republicans who have overseen and led this investigation into links between the trump campaign and Russia. We can't lose sight of that. Okay so we're gonNA take a quick break here. We are talking about Robert Muller's testimony yesterday and the impeachment question now. We're joined today by Paula Reid from C._B._S.. News and John Eastman's also with us. He's a professor of Log community service at Chapman University. Fowler School of law will be taking a lot more calls after the break. This is on point seismologists say that it's unavoidable that a high magnitude earthquake will someday level the city of of Los Angeles indicator from N._p._R.. Takes a look at how L._A.. is preparing for that inevitability and what the implications might be for the city's economy. This is on point. I magnin Chakrabarti. We're talking this our about Robert Muller's testimony yesterday and the impeachment question now. We're joined today by Paula Reid. She's C._B._S.. News White House correspondent focusing on the Justice Department and Legal Affairs John Eastman is also with us. He's a professor of Law and community service at Chapman in University Fowler School of Law and founding director of the Claremont Institutes Center for Constitutional Jurisprudence. He also testified before the House Judiciary Committee earlier this month on lessons from the Muller report part three constitutional processes for addressing presidential misconduct now Professor Eastman. I do take your point about fusion G._P._S.. Because indeed many members of Congress many Republican members of the two committees yesterday specifically asked Muller about this as well but I also want to want to acknowledge that we've only got fifteen minutes left in the show and I want to be able to bring in callers as well so I want to just refocus on some of the things that Democrats tried to get out of yesterday's hearings and get you to respond to that so first of all here is some tape from a moment where Democrat Adam Schiff again chair of the Intelligence Committee questioned Robert Mueller about the extent of Russian efforts to sway the two thousand sixteen election or influence a two thousand sixteen election in favor of president trump short year investigation found evidence that Russia wanted to help trump win the election right. I think generally that would be accurate. Russia informed campaign officials of that. I'm not certain what conversations you're referring to well through an intermediary informed Papadopoulos that they could help with the anonymous release of stolen emails accurate Russia committed federal crimes in order to help Donald Trump when you're talking about the a computer crimes in charge in our case absolutely the trump campaign officials built their strategy their messaging strategy around those stolen documents I generally true and then they lied to cover it up. Generally that's true Robert Muller responding to Adam Schiff Chair of the House Intelligence Committee so Professor Eastman respond to that if Democrats move forward with building a case for impeachments on both the quote disloyalty that shift talked about and <hes> what Muller found regarding a Russian activities would they have a case no look I first of all I think Adam Schiff comments I mean he delivered them. Well I will concede see dad but they were so hyperbolic and <hes> X.. extrapolated to the worst possible interpretation of events that are in large part fairly innocuous and this is going to the collusion part of the volume one and one thing that is absolutely clear on the collusion issue Mueller did find that there was not evidence of collusion or illegal contacts between the trump campaign and <hes> the the Russians yes the Russians attempted to influence the election <hes> we we attempt to influence elections for other foreign nations as well <hes> but but one of the other questions from the Republican side that you haven't played is was there any evidence whatsoever that any of these efforts by the Russians <hes> authored a single vote and the answer to that is no <hes> and so <hes> you know they and it's not because they preferred trump over Clinton look the Russians are notorious for trying to create chaos in our election system in in in Dr Governing Institutions and so no matter who they wanted to win the election their ultimate goal was to create chaos which this continuing farce of set of hearings is proving that they succeeded <hes> and and this says why I go back to the Glenn Simpson piece because if if if Miller really understood his task or more appropriately his staff because I think it was pretty clear that Route Miller from the hearing yesterday that Muller was much less involved in the day-to-day operations operations of this investigation then the highly partisan staff that had been hired to conduct it <hes> and if they and it became clear that they thought their job was to identify trump connections with Russia not Russia connections with anybody in America attempting to influence the election because you could not have omitted the Glenn Simpson meetings with the Kaya <hes> Guy Understood yeah thank you if you understood your task to be looking at everything. The Russians did to try and influence election I mean. In meeting with a paid Clinton team member but the night before and the day after the trump tower meeting and to say that's beyond the scope of the report is stunning and this is why I think the whole thing is such a Cherie we'll Janis men <hes> a professor of Law and community service at Chapman University Feller School of law and Founding Director of the Clermont Institute Center for Constitutional Jurisprudence. Thank you so much for joining us today. Thank you so polished respond quickly there. I mean Professor Eastman cleanly talk for awhile so I can't clean all that up in thirty seconds. Let's vote who is who is Natalia vessel needs sky right. She was a a Russian lawyer. <hes> with ties to the Kremlin who offered the the trump campaign dirt on Hillary Clinton hunted. She's the one who met in trump tower with donald trump junior jared Kushner and Paul Manafort. This is one of the incidences where the special counsel was really looking to see if there was coordination. Did they actually get some dirt. They did not <hes> in should they have known they shouldn't have been meeting with this person. This is this is a key meeting so so even if we want to focus on how she may have met with other people at ties to the Clinton campaign okay but we can't leave out the fact that it is confirmed their testimony though people in that room that she met with the trump campaign they willingly he met with someone would links to a foreign adversary who is promising dirt on their opponent and furthermore in terms of the scope of Muller's investigation and what he should and should not have been looking at that was all up to lifelong Republican Rod Rosenstein. If Robert Muller wanted to look into something else or needed the two it was up to him so again you had a Republican leading this investigation to suggest that someone was preventing Robert Muller from looking at the Misdeeds at Democrats allege misdeeds well that was up to Rod Rosenstein and right now the Justice Department is looking into the origins of this investigation and whether there were any political motivations that at the outset Polo I mean you follow the Justice Department obviously very closely and we just heard <hes> Professor Eastman reflect some sentiment that we heard from Congressional Republicans yesterday about the quote highly partisan nature of this investigation and I just want to get your sense of what you think about that because I always thought that one of the is a bedrock ideals or principles that the Justice Department government operated on was that they didn't ask their lawyers about their partisan leanings that if you're Republican or Democrat it didn't matter you were supposed to do your job with the rule of law in mind above all and it seems like we're moving into a world where the there's a presumption is that that just isn't true anymore or who is in charge here right. I it's been a Republican F._B._I.. Director Republican Deputy Attorney General a Republican acting attorney general a new Republican Attorney General a lifelong Republican Robert Mueller ever talked about how this is a group of angry Democrats <hes> no the pluses for all a lifelong Republicans and yes this has become hyper partisan be because it appeared particularly from the fact that about a dozen people in the president's inner circle kept lying about their contacts with Russia that the president or people in his inner circle could have exposure and Lo and behold they did six of the president's associates have been charged. Five of them have been convicted including his campaign chairman Deputy Campaign Chairman National Security Adviser there was an incentive to attack this investigation negation to paint it as as politically partisan when in fact the yield on US investigation the number of people have pleaded guilty to various crimes most of which were lying either banks for the government <hes> I it's pretty significant continue considering how how long he was at it I mean wouldn't then the par the charge of being politically partisan also apply to the current investigations going on into the origins of the Muller investigation. We we have to remember the people who are carrying out the office of Inspector General. That's the internal watchdog inside the Justice Department they looked the origins of the Hillary or the whole handling of Hillary Clinton email investigation to and they came out with findings <hes> on that they had some questions about people who behaved inappropriately Peter Strachan Lisa page for example but they didn't analysis of that and it didn't appear to be tinged with within. I should've partisan ship now. They're GONNA do the same group. <hes> is doing an investigation to the origins of the Russia probe now Attorney General William Bar has also appointed a U._S. attorney to look into the origin sort of a separate kind of investigation but we're GonNa start painting everything with a partisan projects easy not to pay attention to facts the biggest one being Russia attacked our election right and even the president has refused to really engage too much on that actual substantive issue instead focusing on attacking Robert Muller and his team <hes> I'd be interested to hear from folks within the Justice Department who've worked across different administrations about how they feel about this moment that everything seems to be politicized rather than looking at <hes> the matter at hand through the rule of law but Paula you know I have made our listeners wait for a long time so I'm GonNa roll through a couple of them in the last few minutes that we have all right so let's go to Steve Who's calling from Jamestown Kentucky Steve. You're on the air. I thank you for taking my call. Go ahead Steve. I was calling discreet race way. Everyone's trying to throw Donald for Donald Trump under the bus due to the fact that number one he has done what he said he was going to do and as campaign is making this world saw a great number he has also been the first presence and set foot in North Korea and I just feel my father was a Democrats on the day he does and I was a Democrat until Ronald Reagan was payment yeah all the Donald Trump came in I would much rather seen Donald trump would his campaign compared to Hillary. That's why he wants will Steve. Thank you so much for your call so a supporter of the president they're thinking he's saying he's still doing a great job. Let's go to Rogers calling from Scottsville Virginia Roger. You're on the air. Hi thanks for having me. Love your show. Thank you have a cool name. <hes> my parents go go ahead Roger <hes> boy the previous caller just represents what I don't understand <hes> before trump was ever elected which he really wasn't elected less you know didn't win the popular but <hes> he did win the Electoral College but we won't relitigate that go ahead go ahead. I thought he seemed like such a I don't know if evils the word but disgraceful you know human being didn't represent him. He is not someone that I can see as representative of the United States. I don't want him running around being jerk to the world and that's to me what he's doing so I want to know how tariff tariff man gets away with a lot of the things that he does because it doesn't seem like you know what this is not <hes> an oligarchy or whatever kind of Garki you talked about where you know. One person rules <hes> Democrats to put for push forward with impeachment well so impeachment you know it's it's this long process. I don't know that anything valid ever come out of it it definitely what was going on the White House now surely demonstrates anyone else's a jerk and the job six weeks. They're gone. There's gotta be a better way to you know purple in the job the way you need to you're gone <hes> so oh yeah we have some work in democracy or whatever this supposed to be well Roger. Thank you so much for your call okay so a little spectrum there of <hes> of Opinions Paula we heard from our listeners but I wanted to switch obscure here <hes> for a Moment Paula and play <hes> play section of the press conference at the president held after Muller Muller testified. You know where I'm going with this because you tried to ask the president went a question and we'll just play this. You can explain it a bit but here here's Paula Reid trying to get a question to the president about things that were heard during the muller hearings did say that again you'll fake news and you're right at the top of the list so let me just tell you go back to what it's not. What he said read his correction three days direction you read his direction? You'll find out. That's why people don't deal with you because you're not an honest reporter. That's president trump. <hes> exchanging words with Paula Reid so Paul's topology tells about this moment really quickly. What were you specifically asking the president about sure he he came out and projected this era of confidence following the Muller hearing called it a great day? I'm and I said HEY MR president. <hes> Robert Miller said you could be charged still with crimes related to obstruction once you leave office in what is your response. He denied that Muller said that <hes> then he he he pivoted and he said No. He said that he recanted it right. Read his correction Robert. Muller's correction had nothing to do with whether the president can be charged after leaving office Muller said twice yes rarely yes. He can be charged so so I mean because the president was completing fleeting two different moments of the right he was he was referring to questioning that <hes> or answers that Muller gave to Congressman Ted Lieu you were you were specifically asking about this moment and we have it where Republican Congressman Ken Buck of Colorado asked Muller if the president could be charged with crime after leaving office. Could you charge the president with a Trimbe after he left office. Yes you believe that he committed you could charge the president United States with obstruction of justice after he left office. Yes yes so Paul I mean we've been talking about impeachment but why is it that you want and you're usually get one shot at asking the president of question in these press gag. Why do you WANNA focus on that is incredibly significant because the president has been so aggravated about the fact that there's Russia investigation is with looming over his White House for the entire time has been here when we over family his business campaign everything he felt like it was as he was quoted in the mall reporting felt like there's an attack on his legitimacy they wanna say case closed right now right but that's not true? He's he's still faces. Possible legal legal jeopardy now the statue of limitations for this and for possible campaign finance violations is five years so he's reelected. It's unlikely he would be charged and politically. It's unlikely that a new president is GonNa WanNa come in and then the previous President President through a criminal proceeding that just doesn't seem like the way you would want to proceed at the fact is this question will continue to hang over him and it's going to be asked a twenty twenty candidates what would you do and it just reminds people. That part of the reason attorneys were not brought here is that he's the president of the United States and the Justice Department says you can't charge someone but Robert Muller's seems to think yeah it's possible he could be charged. He leaves <hes>. I'm seeing here. We've got a minute left poem seeing here that Today House Intelligence Committee Chairman Adam Schiff sharply downplayed the prospects of removing a president trump through impeachment saying the only way trump would leave office at this point is quote by being voted out that just cross today from Adam Schiff. What do you think about that? It's probably a pretty good strategy again. It goes back to voters voters. Don't want this country being put through an impeachment hearing with the evidence that didn't he the Robert Muller laid out that many American sort of see in shades of gray black and white but it appears that their best strategy energy is to focus on these kitchen table issues push through the election and if Democrats want to punish Donald Trump well get him voted out that that's really the best way <hes> but if you wanNA focus on impeachment in a sort of retaliatory strategy it may backfire on twenty twenty. We'll Paula Reid C._B._S.. News White House correspondent focusing on the Justice Department and Legal Affairs joining us from Washington Paula. It's always great to have you thank you on point is produced by Anna Bauman. Just seem down Eileen Amata.