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Hour 2: Mark Jackson & Jeff Van Gundy

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Hour 2: Mark Jackson & Jeff Van Gundy

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Well, I don't think they're in trouble as far as because they lost game one, I think their health brings a lot of trouble because I've never been one to thought losing Durant somehow is a good thing like you, Louisville. Ramush nece better without Kevin. Collide Leonard, and Mark made the point last night quite Leonard miss a ton regular season games they won I think at an equal or higher percentage. Without knowing was saying, oh, the raptors are better without Leonard. So the health of cousins, the health of Durant. Now, the health of Igwe dolla I think, is, that's what makes him in trouble. Is there a team that ever existed, including the Dream, Team's whatever where if you added Kevin Durant, they would get worse ever in the history of basketball? No could add in Kevin Durant ever make you worse than you were. No, it's not possible. And is absurd to think that they are better team without him. That's what respect to that union, and what they've been able to accomplish, but no team has been able to expose the missing piece of Kevin Durant. Give the raptors credit at the end of the day, they put pressure on the warriors. They dictated the pace they disrupt what they were trying to do authencity, and they were different makers and very confident on is simple. Maybe it's not a simple. But to me, it was like you double kuwa-. He got help you double Steph curry. He didn't get nearly as much help as he should have received. I think at the end of the day, what they thought about is let's keep the ball out of the hands of Steph curry and Klay Thompson. Let's be disciplined enough to not give those two assassins, on the offensive in quality looks they were disciplined. They would determine that individually and collectively they got it done defensively. And that's what boil down to that'd be willing. Right. And they just don't have enough. They don't have a lot of punch if curry and Thomson and then green, don't give them a lot of offense. So I think I think Toronto was fabulous. I think we can start analyzing the warriors, but Toronto was, I expect a lot of pushback here, because you, I'm sure have emotion, like personal feelings about this, too and coach, you know what a star player does for you and then media types come up and say, oh, but under pressure, they messed up, and you're like it's all under pressure, and they do so much for us. But the bottom line to me, is okay, fine. That's what it is Steph clay dream on. You know what the challenges now you got to hit those shots not. Well, he took the shot. It was a good shot. Make the shot I've seen too often in finals games. Steph curry is not the best version of himself in terms of making those big shots Layton games to that. You say what? I say he has had some games in the finals that they've still one and he hasn't played his best. But I thought last night he was excellent. I thought he was tremendous last night. And listen, this is no knock on the warriors. They're playing a lot of guys that you would not. And they did not expect to be playing in the regular rotation this late in the playoffs. This is what happens. I thought Toronto came in with three major distinct advantages homecourt health, and they had better rhythm because of the long layoff that Golden State was going through. And I think it all showed in game one is this one on the Golden State Warriors as a reserve some unsung do who should be getting more time and getting more shots than what we've seen at least based on game. When I look at a guy young thoroughbred like enough monzo, McKinney, for example, I think he has potentially add some open shots. He's athletic enough at these fresh young body and clearly. Healthier than most of the other guys. What about Joe? The answer is Kevin Durant is the only guy that's the only guy wh- thinking about is. I don't care who they put in. That's healthy. And hold on that bench. The game plan for the raptors doesn't change. I'm not giving. Steph curry wide open looks, I'm not giving. Klay Thompson wide open looks, I'm gonna force Draymond green to knock down shots. Igwe dollar anybody else, not name, those two guys, we're going to be disciplined enough to dictate who we allowed to have open shots. I don't care who they bring it down into making place, you get a lot of credit, as you deserve for thinking big about Steph and clay saying early this is going to be the greatest shooting back court ever. And and so they can play with imagination. Now. They weren't limited and ways some other guys were and they got to a level maybe a little sooner than people thought they would I look at Toronto now quite needs a crime partner. Siaka did it in game one but he's still ascending. Do you see Siaka him as a guy who can take that role right now before our eyes in the finals? Or are they going to need different guys to step up every night from first of all, I said they were the grea that you said it was driving just just to correct. You subtle correct? But I'll say this Siaka took it personal last night. He went after that it was almost like I've been struggling, but I'm going to be aggressive and it wasn't just him. You look across the board and coach with the grief. They had impact play as all throughout the Atlanta. They had outstanding nights on both sides of the floor. I thought Kyle our even though he didn't shoot. Well, played exceptionally, well and vanfleet I thought defensively was as disciplined against curry as you can be. Now that doesn't mean you stop curry obviously, that great, but Stephen to go back to years, I'm gonna be interested. Do they start DeMarcus cousins does do does he ramp up his minutes to try to get a little bit more offense on the floor? I think that's such a brutally hard question for Steve Kerr because he's been off so long is this one of those situations where we're looking at dre Margaret, obviously, he's still had the contract for another year. But, you know, we talked about a lot of things that turns a free agency and what happened, he's not going to be a free agent. But if you to go to stay words, you in a position to take care of him this summer. I'm looking at him during this series obviously. He said the pass Cousy outcome known expect to see a replica of that performance in game two but I'm looking at dream on. And I'm not even worried about him. Defensively. I think he answered the call and step up to the players impotent potato particularly individual. I'm saying my goodness, we're talking about dollar doesn't he have to hit some shots doesn't. He have to be pulled some kind of an offensive threat in order to offset what they're lacking without Kevin Durant. They all do even with Kevin Durant the game plan doesn't change. Then you just add to rant to curry, and Thompson, and say, okay, make those other guys beat the problem. That's been teams haven't been disciplined enough to stick to the plan, dedicated enough to make sure we stated these bodies and force these guys make plays them up. See outcome, I'm thinking, well, you think you're gonna stop me. It's going to be the same thing in game two. I'm not going to great defense does not have an answer for great offense coats. What about coach this? Was for you. I look at the warriors Portland series. And I thought Draymond was actually the MVP of that series because they three of those games really close. They wanted on the offensive glass. Right. And dream on big their Toronto if they take care of the defensive glass these long big excellent defenders what, what, what are the warriors do. What's the answer to that? Kevin durant. That's. But I they don't have the ramp, they can't win. No, I'm not saying that, but that would be the easiest answer. I thought they did a good job on the offense aboard. I think it's Toronto's biggest correction I thought they heard him on the offense aboard which turned into open three point shots, if Toronto takes away those points and doesn't get beaten transition, half court half court wise. It's going to be hard. Look knowledge truth brought to you by Geico. Truth. You think you can solve any problem by turning computer all end on him? And it's something through up now just need to turn it off and on. No problem. It smoking. Yeah. That's as museum means to reboot truth, it's so easy to switch and save on car insurance at geiko dot com. And nelson. Fire happens all the time. It's all good. Geico. Fifteen minutes could save you fifteen percents or more. Jeff got Mark Jackson. The guys on the coal kind enough to still here be with us, Mark. I want to start with you did last night prove the warriors can't win this series without K D. No absolutely not. We talked about it in the Houston series in the partner series. You can never underestimate the heart of a champion as a great Rudy Tomjanovich one set. And that's the Golden State Warriors. So they, they had the capabilities of still winning it all, but it's going to be tough. Well, listen. I was going to defer because he here's my thing I picked the warriors at six games, and I picked it knowing that Kevin Durant. First of all, don't interrupt me. And Secondly, I don't care that job. Don't like my pick ice skate, and he goes home at night, and here's is in his hotel room, guys. I tell you what bothers me one thing I will tell you. It's the one thing that makes in all my years covering the NBA's that twenty five years now. What does make me depressed as when I'm watching two teams and injuries getting away, like I know coming into the series. Kevin Durant is out and I'll be shocked if he comes back coach, but I still felt comfortable thinking about ego Dala. I'm like ten days off. You'll be fine. Let's let's go with what you got. I was thinking without K D without boogie cousins. But the now you adequate dollar to the mixing. I'm like, damn here we go again because last year when they won the championship everybody forgot when they talked about Houston, and Houston had a chance against them last year and a conference, I said everybody kept forgetting point to Chris Paul's injury and game five of that series. They forgot that Andre dollar was out for that series because if he was if he wasn't. To me when they went seven games last year. So I think about the every single this, the isra- something happens, and that's what bought, I think, that's legit, actually because I'm higher on dollar the most people. I think he's a great player, even now he has greatness in them, even though it's mostly on the defensive end in. He's like, if you need a big offense of moment, he's capable of giving you that too, and he's done it in the past the reason I disagree about the Houston series, but this speaks to why they need. K D now is Igwe dollars hurt for that Houston series. He's not one of their best three players they have so many great players on that team. Chris Paul is hurt. That's our second best player. So, but it points out how many different weapons Golden State has, but now boogie compromise because he just got back. He's, you know, he's getting coming off catastrophic injury in the first place. He hasn't really had a chance to acclimate himself with the offense of the team even during the season. And, you know, I it disrupted chemistry at first as it usually does, when you're integrating, an important piece. Now he's. Coming off injury against the heat you can't really count 'em. I think the same way so you have Steph clay Draymond. No K D. Yet it would dollar is important. So if dollars clearly now seriously compromised, I think you need K D to win the series. I didn't think that going, and I thought potentially they could do it. But if you're just talking about those three guys, the top three guys you, I don't think you're going to beat this raptors team behind even hurt Kawai with those three guys as you're only firepower coach. Well, I think I think they could still win. I think, again, your margin of error has been reduced to nothing. And I think we often overlooked the role of good fortune or bad, timing into winning. So these injuries or abound of the ball, we saw in round two with Kawhi. This is the difference between winning and losing some time. I think cousins if Igwe dollaes out, Durant is going to be out. Cousin cousins has to impact he has to be able to play. Twenty two twenty four minutes and give them double figures points and a paint presence, and also, I know everybody talks about his pick and roll defense, but I thought it's picking role defense actually last night was was good. And I think it alters their pick and roll defense because you can't switch a smaller, dude. Onto DeMarcus cousins as he rolls down into the post, but to that point about like the chemistry what I saw when cousins came in on offense was almost too much passing, but he's a great passer and a very smart and accurate passer. But it was almost like we have a good shot. Let's pass it up for an even pass it up again for a better shot at a critical moment in the game and it actually worked against them. And that's what happens when you take a giant peace and you try to cram it in last-second. How could he be really great player under these one thing, we're missing out on is the first time we've seen the warriors face adversity with injuries during this historic run. They've faced teams that had injuries that had big time on Steph when they wanted when, when it gets the broader seventy three when season. What about? Steph in the postseason. He wasn't healthy he played, but he wasn't helped if you think about their playoff series, the last couple years, every main play every two top guys from the opposing team have been hampered, whether it's Anthony Davis, whether it's drew holiday, you can go all throughout the Kyrie Irving Rian, Kevin line. They've been fortunate in part of being grape. You have to be healthy and ho-, and they've been fortunate to be that this is the first time that we're seeing them when it matters most not being healthy, and hold as what you think about collide. Did you think he looked hampered thought he did? But I thought he had a competitive spirit that said to his body, which to great ones have at a certain point. Not now I got business to take care of so give him credit at he didn't look for an excuse. He didn't tap out, and he competed and I liked even though he didn't shoot. Well, he found his way to the free throw line. And that's what the truly great ones can do. They can still produce even on their nights that aren't great. And I thought he found a way to make a huge impact on in a game where he wasn't shooting the ball. Well, I'd take Golden State has. Defied. That's version of Fred van Billy as well. This guy comes off the bench. He scores fifteen points. He drops four threes in the mix to have that kind of spot. Plug off the bench. I think would be beneficial. I don't know of Golden State has it, but it would be nice to see somebody do something along those lines. How many networks looking for Stephen Smith? I mean some way. The only one. Yeah, gonna find. I agree. That is a very, very valid point. There is no hope to find that way. No. This guy he just acquired you to a guy off the bench now. No, no, no. That's not what he's saying what he said. Queens, brother, what the saying that what he was saying is you just can't find you. There's not another make coach. There's only one make for better or worse. What make? Rs. K D. Right. You want me? You make a super team, which is when you acquire K D just to get the salaries under the cap do what you gotta do you are going to necessarily sacrifice depth. That's the way it works. So the warriors pushed their chips to middle of the table. We'd rather have K D And Steph and clay, and Draymond and whatever else we can get which is smart who wouldn't do that Akra, Feis, our bench, fight some death, and let's get down, but let's get down to it. What hope does the Golden State Warriors have of when in this series? Give it to me straight guy. I think it starts with their defense. I think they can do a much better job defensively. They they are a terrific defensive team now with Igwe dolla most likely out. That's a huge match up nightmare. But I think it starts with that don't turn the ball over don't turn it over and play smarter version of their game all champions can do that. And they have a championship caliber team. I think we're gonna see a huge response in game two. And I totally agree. It starts with the defense. And on the offense and they've got to play with pace when they've been at their, their best. It's been Draymond pushing the ball, getting into high powered pick and rolls getting Klay, Thompson, and Steph curry Klay Thompson have to shot me. He had decent game last night, but doesn't it have to be better than that to help Steph out, it does? But give credit to the Toronto Raptors Dave followed the game plan and other guys to make plays. Right. You've got gotta be. 'cause clay could give you thirty points literally in a quarter but there's thirty points, but he has decided he can't go off the dribble like all other guys, so they would have to make some steaks, and he would have to then be able to capitalize on you think we'll see Katie personally, I've never thought coming back from a calf injury was going to happen in this playoffs. I think we'll see him but I don't think anytime soon. I think if you see him I don't care if he's show up game. Kevin Durant as seventy-five percent is all you need. I don't think you can. With a calf injury at seventy five percent. I, I think the strain on that is going into free, h got a million dollars online. There's not on the line. You're going to see Kevin Durant, and this playoff series, but you're going to see him on sportscenter first take stills of him on social media. He's gonna come back here and gonna get on the floor next uniform next year. But I guess not. And we will see you guys on Sunday. ABC. Mike tag. Go away. People should be. Thirty two. Including. Cheated. Goes to Bank arena where all went down last night. Raptors with a one game lead. Rooting for. All right. Say raptors got done last night, but I want to focus on the warriors max Kellerman, who's most to blame for the dubs losing Siaka Siaka is most to blame for the doves losing. It's not that the warriors played, so poorly. It's that I want people to understand this is first finals game. The entire question is, is going to have an all star caliber crime partner in this series? And this wasn't that many and this is why as even tell you saying, like I need someone else to do this tonight, and he's facing double and triple teams listen to this stat line. It's easy to just say thirty two points. He was fourteen of seventeen from the field teen of seventeen in a finals game against the warriors. He had he had eight boards, five this steel, and two blocked shots to go with thirty two points. It's some time. Sometimes it's not what your not doing. It's that someone else elevates him elevated. He was the guy that quiet and the raptors needed last night. And he's the reason they won that game. What did they think I hear? I hear by C three spike sightsee so opposed. He supposed to sit here and, and surround myself with folks serenading a professional male athlete whose nickname by the. Rarely. If I was in my being barest spicy pay. I mean, I may even swaggie is better than that. I mean come on now. I mean come on now. Phenomenal city. Lauda's especial. Okay. Y'all better than nets by CPI. Gimme off, even one wack. All right. Now, having said all of that phenomenal game on a part of PASCAL Siaka voted for him as my most improved play at a year. I know he's special. But that, but that was. That is. But that wasn't the reason they lost last night. The reason they lost last night was because Andre dollar didn't show up authencity. He gave you nothing. And if Andre would doubtless it is greatest pass cow was playing great as remember. 'cause Saul plate. Well remember, Wli played well and still Golden State was within three in the fourth quarter. So all sides, you that if you got a guy, one of the guy other than Steph and clay that can hit a Dan shot? I believe Golden State wins game one so I'm looking at not taking anything away from CRM. Somebody would have done that or they would have done it by committee. This is what we've been saying about Toronto war was the difference. The difference, is it that the only different when you look at one Goss, step it up, it's usually committee. A plethora of them that wasn't necessarily the case last you can look at Consol vanfleet point out what they did. The biggest difference was you had no one show up as a third wheel for Golden State. That's why point to Igwe dollar part of that is the defense that Toronto is playing also. But you didn't get you talked about Siaka. I'm not the defense, but right. But it would dollar going into the series like we could play that game and say, well also didn't have a big game. That's why they were then you know, within three and then you will because he was hurt, then someone else say, well, k D's hurting. He's not even playing like we could keep playing that game. The bottom line is Golden State were champions for reason even before K D got there. And even though it was largely because Cleveland was hurt with kyri and Kevin love is still went six games. They were still in the finals that are powerhouse with or without K D there a powerhouse, and they're an experienced team, so you even make the point there within three anyway. Right. It took a special kind of effort, both ends of the floor from a player other than Kawai. To pick him up Casale had a very good game than had a very good game. It is a team game. But Siachen was by far the best player in the game last night. And that's why they want. Thank you. Thank you, buddy. Her saving put hours. I'll just embarrassed white, but city is Toronto is max Bisi. That's very because he had a game high thirty four I gotta say about Steph nitpicking now. I would have liked to see him. I felt he asserted himself at times in that game. But when it was at three point game I didn't see him do it then now it's a little nitpicky because how do you get it to be at three point game because he had to bring them back from it. You know they were as I said, Siachen was out playing everyone. I saw positive signs from Steph curry. I've been critical of him, particularly in finals where I feel like I don't feel like I know for a fact that could see the numbers support it, by the way, he has been less than his not bestself even normal self in final series. And that's goes for his whole career, I've seen positive sides. I thought he was really assertive, Stephen A putting the ball on the floor drawing thousand his team needed to keeping his team in the game if he continues on that trajectory. I think he can put to bed the idea that he hasn't played his best to the finals. Look, these stats that you see. Steph curry Wilt Chamberlain, and Michael J. These are the only players scored this don't give me that the, the Golden State offense is what it is. He's a great player. I get it. When they've needed it most, he's been less than his normal self. I think that may be changing. I saw positive signs last night. Definitely have you sent shots obviously, that's going to be a big deal of these finding themselves open over without the basketball. That's definitely great who they started out the game kuwa- was on dream on. So that, that kind of surprised me a little bit, 'cause you sort of just sort of that was your first indication that he might not have been there because a wild one hundred percent damn show would have been on one of those two clay off Steph curry, so I'll look at it from that perspective, watch them. I think it wasn't even the fourth quarter was more like the third quarter. They kept fluctuating between six point seven points. And then at one point time they pulled within three. But in the end my point is they were right there to take over the game with the way Steph for shooting the ball, if somebody else showed up and made shots. And I think that's the difference, obviously wanted to wrap is deep has something to do with that. But to address the subs. Of one particular player, we can look at pass Cousy Arkham and point out the excellent play that he plays off last night. But I'm just looking along the lines of the fact that Golden State despite not having their a game. Their bench still outscored Toronto by eleven and they were in they would end distance to really catch on. You mentioned vanfleet the thing about Steph and K D is there to MVP level players because not only can they shoot the lights out, but they can put it on the floor and get their own shot. Right. There's no one really on the Golden State bench that fits that description like can do that. And Kyle Lowry can do it. The way doesn't always do it in the playoffs. Vanfleet can come off the bench and do that Golden State doesn't really have that guy. So it's really on Steph found like all on state had more talent. Hey, it's Dan Patrick here to tell you about the Dan Patrick school. The sportscasting of teamed up with full sail university to create a sports casting bachelor's degree you work both on and behind the cameras. And you build skills for the future of sports so you can connect with audiences no matter where they are or how they're winning in. Learn more about full sail universities, Dan, Patrick school to sportscasting by going to full sail dot EDU slash ESPN. I think the issue for the league is that he has this ambassador type role with the team. So he, he is beautiful little differently than any fan sitting there. But at the same time, I think they're appropriate lines that shouldn't be crossed in terms of how a competing team is address door the officials for that matter, and as I said we league office had conversations. Directly with Drake and his manager. And I think we ended up in a good place. Just wanted you to talk a little bit about that postgame scuffle between you and Drake. Your question about basketball. Really a scuffle because I didn't hit him. Hit it hit me. I didn't push him or he didn't push me. We talked, we talked a little bit, but our necessarily consider that a scuffle not really, what I personally will consider a scuffle. Ron. Whatever you wanna call it. The nickname, the thirty points. I want to focus on Toronto's favorite son. That would be Drake. We heard Adam silver address at Steven A, does the NBA need to stop Drake sideline antics. Absolutely not. Absolutely not. First of all, I'm not I'm not getting on any report or whatever. But I'm so proud of dream on answering the question the way that he is. So, in other words, you see, two brothers. Join at one another. How in God's name? Is that a scuffle who what, what show definition of a stumble? We say his show every day. That's just ridiculous. That's number one, number two that anybody taken time to recognize that these players, actually talk back to drank why. Because he batters he's not some typical fan in the stands just raining serenading you booze or whatever the case may be. He's drake. Dammit, he had. This is not just as an ambassador Toronto. Raptors number one fan, sitting court, THAAD, or whatever this is the kind of dude. They're hanging off St.. Season. The do who'd I go to turn on turn off the music and listen to. He's not just a regular part. Let's stop pack big like that. Okay. The fact that and then not only that what is he doing that? So agree GIS? He's Joran at their jarring back. What's the big deal? You get to a point where you see stuff like this, and it really gets your antennas up and you really sit back at ask us. So does do people in power need to have control over every damn thing, you trying to tell me it's an issue for Drake to sit up there as a wrap that span talk as I saw him trot talks? Smack one top to LeBron. And then he got very, very look why Drake over there from gay one on. Why? Because it was LeBron. And LeBron shut him the hell up if you wanna stop bright Drake beat. The raptors otherwise deal with it. It's not since he's doing nothing wrong this absolutely nothing wrong about what he's doing. The play is clearly don't have a problem with it and they're probably getting annoyed at folks overreacting to the silliness. Let him be him and let him support his raptors. And if you wanna do something about it beat them as usual. Just stupid as usual, Adam silver the best Commissioner in American team sports by far handled it perfectly what he said, was right. Like you can't have like if he's going to the opposing coach and touching them or someone. Get can't do that. But otherwise, to quote Drake like a blind man. You got to hand it to him. He's got that kind of juice. He's part of the franchise. He's on the sidelines. He has certain privileges others don't have now. I, I don't always liked the way he behaves like to me, it's like you play yourself a little bit when you get that much into it. Right. But then, again, I think if it was the Yankees or the foot, New York football giants, and I had the same access he did as a fan, I would probably behave the exact same way and play myself, too. So, so that's why. We're we're all that into sports, right? Doing watching on TV right now? I would say that, that the idea that the NBA needs to do something is kind of ridiculous. He's not really doing any. Anything wrong. He's not breaking any rules. And yeah, this is part of the show like we're talking about it on TV. What is it not? Are you not entertained when Drake and Draymond are jawing is that not entertaining? It's, it's become part of the show. And it's like when Spike Lee and Reggie Miller were joins on the jersey. Did you guys say the jersey head on curry? That was classic. All right. Where outta stay on that. One up just say, listen it just it just bothers me because, you know, we asked for people to have interest, we want the paying customer, to show up give them money show exude passion put it on display. But then we got to order data to try and police it to that degree, you know, good and Dan. Well Dray is not he's not going to get into a fight with anybody is not going to be any kind of physical confrontation. We actually had, and we had to address an issue because people last wins during the last series had a problem with him touch coach. It's his damn coach. He didn't touch voted holder. He touched nurse, by the way at halftime of that. Same game because I was there the fact in the back room with them. It was Drake with Masai and the back room. It's not your Jerry the president for the raptor. He's applauded a team. And you actually have people debating the crossing. Lot that we say that about technicals recited at about Spike Lee. Do we say that about fast rabbit fans who support a particular teams if they're doing it and supported it as long as they don't put their hands on anybody not sticking up your middle finger like some fans did at Russell Westbrook. Not Buick epithet, though, anything, like that, if you're not doing something like that, and you're just being a rabid fan, you're causing no harm to anybody. And usually we're putting these stars up on jumbotrons to show look at who supports our league look at who supports our brands sport. But then we want to sit up there and try to police, the accuracy Danfoss. Sometimes harder with Steve day said daddy, her. Obviously, it's true. Actually with Drake's come under fire for on the other hand, and this is what happens, I guess, when you get to a certain level as being a little bandwagon, right? Like liking this athlete, or that athlete being in this locker room or that ach rolled steel the bronze and Cleveland there, Jake shows up, but when he's just supporting the hometown team. Yeah. And he's part of the franchise if he's if people feel. Overnight. He demanded. So what? Like I feel that way. Sometimes I come on drinking getting carried away. But that's his route. I've never felt like he got carried away. What did he done? He's talked. Yeah. He's talked each tower Ted thing. But same thing with spike, what he did to Reggie Miller felt this. But, like, that's it becomes part of the show, and then no harm. No foul. I don't care. I just like his music. Look at this guy's all Clinton as ready town bands lists. The series hasn't even shifted yet, until Tuesday, and they've got that billboard out there of gresh braids the king of the north is coming all the teams he's already been Golden State. That is the question Mark, of course will be there on issued have one red line GS already. Kellerman proud favor right now. I'll start with you max who wins game to the Toronto. Raptors defend home. By the way, by the way, you're better, the pressure is on the raptors because you can lose the war is going to have to win a row game to win the series there. The road team. Right. Toronto has home court, and you could even afford to lose that at some point, but not this early in the series against the team, this experienced pressures on Toronto to defend. They will defend their up to head into Oakland. I'm really not concerned about the feelings of, of a nation of people. You're saying that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that is proud of a nickname spicy p. Could care less embarrassed Farris. Not to be Santa yourself, say to yourself. What? Okay. You should be ashamed of that. He's not. Having said, all of that, I didn't predict anything would happen in game one, I said the Golden State Warriors would depart from Canada, with this series tied one, one going back to the oracle. That means they have to win game two and they will the warriors win game to Sunday night, this series is tied. One, one dollar. I'm going to stick with my prediction down with the courage of his convictions. Title go on with the ship Toronto. It's been fun. Ninety dollars hours, absolutely fine. Twice.

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The Boogie Rescue, All Hail Andy Ruiz, the Feel-Good Yankees, and Game 2 Overreactions With Joe House, Kevin Clark, and JackO | The Bill Simmons Podcast

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The Boogie Rescue, All Hail Andy Ruiz, the Feel-Good Yankees, and Game 2 Overreactions With Joe House, Kevin Clark, and JackO | The Bill Simmons Podcast

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I tune Spotify Google wherever you get your pods. Do it ringer dish. All right. Here we go program. All right. We're taping this part of the podcast about eight o'clock Pacific time the warriors just hold off the raptors game to going back to Golden State. Now one, one house. How will you remember this game for two years from now? The ball game. Is back. Didn't we just say three days ago on this podcast how they made such a huge mistake playing in and gave would wow. This is over reaction podcast. Bill simmons. Yeah. He it's funny. He started the game wasn't crazy about it. He didn't look great. But I thought he really made a difference, especially when looney went out and kinda changed a little bit of what the raptors wanted to do was funny, because it never seemed like he was running more than half speed. Right. It was like watching us play pickup. I do think he looked a lot more comfortable with the feed though. Yeah. Try to agree with you that he wasn't. He wasn't personally, like moving any faster. Now he was comfortable with the speed of guys going around him as opposed to what we observe in a Thursday night. Yeah, he looked. I it was almost like watching Moses when Moses is on the wizards. When Moses just had the one speed. He was going are not the wizards Zia bullets when he just said that he was half speed the whole time a lot of subplots impact in this game. First of all, the warriors basically at halftime you may salary. Might have a little action on the words in this series. And there was a lot of what do we do wraps have a big lead? It's not looking good. And I am on the record with the text you guys saying, I think this is done. The, the raptors are up five at halftime. They did not get a single call. The refs were really the sixth seventh and eighth men in that first half. And I just thought the wraps, we're going to blow them out than the words, come out did their classic old school eighteen nothing run, which really set the tone, and yet when clay went down, and who knows when he comes back a really it really looked dark there, for the words, I think there are eight to ten but it was just curry was the only guy who could create his own shot on the court. They weren't creating stuff really at all for cousins other than he was the Bill, Walton type passer. What was your mindset? I sound like Doris Burke house. What was your mindset up ten minutes left? Well, we'll door is I have to tell you. It felt like Golden State, even with, you know, various guys getting hurt and being out and the FOX in one, the Toronto, put on them it wasn't until the three point play that quite had with the technical technical the ten free throws. Yes. And I thought for, for half a second, you know that this the warriors just may let this flip through their fingers because their role guys played with such confidence, whatever. Iggy took between the leg injury. Thursday night and the and the game tonight. He, he made the first two baskets after halftime to get them going on that eighteen o run. And then he made the last basket of the game. So really it was the they make three baskets. And, and they were the biggest baskets, I would say, but the across the board. The Quin cook, Shaun Livingston had a much better game. And the, the basketball I two of the warriors we are reminded of it. Once again. That's what the thing was them. They took advantage of the pressure. That's Rana was putting out on the perimeter and all of those Allieu aspirin bogut was the beneficiary of it dream on a couple of years. He both pass Elliott's and and executed them and, and boogie is well, all of that taking advantage like basically inside the half court, you know, breaking down that pressure and get to the basket with little to on one little Riyadh one. And having, you know, the alleyoop off that, that was the thing to me that, that made this feel like, you know, Golden State kind of had control the game agree the raptors were too. Overzealous Sunday, especially with the guys who weren't like the big time shock creator dudes. And they're again beat on those little back door Allieu, but always seemed like they were scrambling because something bad had happened. I thought that was one reason they lost. I thought the other reason was they just missed a lot of a lot of open looks over and over and over again, I felt like I don't know what the open look number was for this game but felt like a lot. There was one big moment. I think it was in the late in the second quarter where Norman Powell had three and if you made it they would have gone up fourteen and he missed it and then the words brought came right back down and Klay. Mehta three and I was saying, nephew, Kyle six point swing. And there were there were a couple of moments like that in this game, where either the wraps didn't have that it was like the app set a game one, they didn't have that shot to push them over the hump the other way. And then when they needed a basket even that last minute member for Danny green hit that three. They missed like. Shots, there was that other sequence near the end where Coack kept getting offense rebounds, and they just kept missing. They. I thought that if you just looked at who is on the court wants Klay went out. They definitely had more talent on the court. You know, and they just couldn't get over. We I was we've been wondering for the right after shot thirty seven percent, and that stretch at the beginning of the third quarter is like the first quarter of basketball. The Toronto has had that kind of punched in the mouth where they've missed a bug. They miss a bunch of shots all in a row in like four game. They look tight. They won five games in a row coming into tonight and through the first half. They thought those all those role guys Bill head that sort of swagger that home swagger, that, you know, we belong here. We think we could win this game kinda swagger and the, the punch in the mouth was like a few consecutive miss shots at the beginning of the third quarter and it snowballed and they did battle back. I mean credit to them and it did take clay getting hurt. And it did take a little bit of defensive innovation with the box of one. They put on curry fun. We all I've always liked about someone as you know. Well, I, I wanna know I can't tell from the staff because we're doing this like right after the game ended but I wanna know what I'm in the game Steph curry made his last best, because it feels like it was like eight minute Mark before court. They go you, you. That's what it was. Exactly. It was. It was one, oh, six ninety four with, like six minutes left. And then they didn't score again. Until that last shot. It was a robbery. This was not an MBA hardwood, classics type of game. It definitely was pretty ugly was dramatic thought the crab guy, low nervous, you kind of feel the energy shift. I to me, I thought the energy shifted in the first half because even though I'm looking at the, the stats in the words had twenty six thousand the raptors at twenty two that did not that's the final result of the fast that did not reflect kinda the feel of that, first half where I thought the words got away with the latte, especially the way they were defending why they were really really, really physical with him. And they just established it from the gecko and they did the thing that we thought they were going to do after game one which was not worry as much about taken out coli worry about the other guys. I didn't think they would be as physical as they were with Kawhi. But you and I both, we were texting during the first half had a little bit of a late nineties early two thousands. Dick Bavaria kind of field. You feel that. At the whip would prevent an issue with to the festivities. It it bid at a couple of moments where felt like Toronto might just bust loose. The, the warriors they get a fortuitous caller do it felt like what do I cover little random touch touch fouls at a nowhere as how, but, you know, we had the Scott foster, Tony brothers at Malloy crew, which is either gonna, it's gonna mean something, you just don't know what, but I would say the words got a very fair whistled tonight. And, you know, the, the break that they got a announcers kind of glossed over this, the very last play that led to the Iggy three, they trap curry, it seemed like they kind of half fouling him the restaurant calling it, and then he threw the jailed Henderson to the James worthy. Jailed Henderson steel pass that floater across the court. And it looked like co I was gonna pick it off and Livingston got it. But if you watch it, it looks like Hawaii had the lead on the ball, you know apply. I'm talking about. Yeah, I know exactly what you're talking about. And I had the exact same reaction to that. I thought, oh, that's a turtle. I don't understand. I'm watching the re they're shown replays right now on, on my TV as we're talking. I don't understand how colliding kit that. In fact, I think he would have been my first draft pick to get that steel on that play, because it was basically a fifty fifty ball, but he had a slight slight lead on it, and he had the long s arms. And if he'd got and I think it would have been a layup. So it was just one of those nights for, for the wraps, but you notice that, too. Right. It had little worthy Andersonville. Sure absolutely. And, and speaking of going backwards. When clay went down it started to get a little eighty nine Lakers, eighty seven Celtics ish with are the warriors gonna pass the point of no return with his injuries 'cause in we saw clay kicked his leg out a day. It looked like Danny green Faldo, but they showed a different replaying internet. He didn't. And then you could tell something was wrong because he kept like trying to shake it out. And then, like eight nine plays later. Looked like he was really hurt. They showed him after the game. He had ice on his hamstring. But you're talking if he's not ready for game three I from what I've heard. I don't think katie's going to be ready either game three's threes. Gonna be Wednesday and, and then curry should be healthier than what he was. But, you know, if you remember the eighty nine Lakers. This is what happened just too many injuries probably he will know if I was shocked by how much Iggy head. Yeah he was like preserving energy or whatever. I just thought his leg. Eggs, look way better. He was a lot more bouncier, active than I anticipated with the way you know, he was down at the end of of game one. And then M M R I and like Jesus. So, you know, this is the way that the warriors are going to lose. And at some point, we've been saying over all these years, they've had a pretty great run of health. Yeah. And, and you know, over the entirety of the five year span here, and obviously, the death of of, you know, Katie superstar. When you have a bunch of superstars guys can go down, and you can withstand it, but this was really a testament to the Queen cooks and Andrew bogut. And you know, looney had a couple of good minutes while he was in there know battling and then got hurt he made a huge shot. Yeah. I mean, they still have these guys stepping up and I just think that the collective basketball IQ of that team and their ability to, to. And respond to stuff. They played a hand in helping Toronto miss all those buckets at the beginning of the third quarter wasn't just open looks at Toronto missing. Yeah. They still I wasn't positive. They would have this without Durant against a really, really good team on the road. But they still have that six minutes of, of greatness in them. Now, if, if Thompson, you know what I may yet. Now an avalanche of three like we're used to with them and D And, and, and guys really, really assert themselves. You left out, one person when you're a compliment all different people, Steve Kerr, really this whole playoffs has been awesome. And I thought even that Houston series that desperation that they just played with from that first game like he wasn't fucking around that series. You know, I think from from that Cooper series, I think was little, I opening for everybody. But from that game one of that rocket series where it was clear. He was like, I'm, I'm just not sending back and rolling it out like we're trying stuff, we're doing so for trying weird lineups, we're gonna try weird defensive stuff. We're just going for it, and they've had that mentality enough for five six weeks with cool is he's putting people in, like, like bogut was in big moments. Houdini even playing game one, you know. And he sat Jordan bell. He's really season cook to the point that it is Quinn, cook good. It kind of feels like Quinn cooked might be good. He he's good on this t-. Yes with this concept with with, you know, understanding what's expected of him getting to the spot, like don't many times. He was the release bell as they rotated around and he had good looks 'cause the defense could couldn't scramble, around them. And Toronto, obviously made the defensive judgment that that's like they're gonna live with Quinn cook. Taking those shots. Yes, he shoots three for five from three pointer. Like he did sixty percent for free, then he's going to be different maker, twenty one minutes and, you know nine point with with three threes. That's, that's that makes a difference. And then I love the way they use Draymond defensively in this game. One of the things they did in. That I don't think basketball teams do enough as switched off up during the game where sometimes they'll make the adjustments. And then that's just here here's what we're doing for game two and they use Draymond they had him on. Koa is sometimes other times they would put him on on shooter, and just have them the free safety thing and it really dependent on the field. What was going on how they're using him? Look this was e-. You know, we're now in year six of the Iggy clay staff all these dudes in the same year five with Kerr. And they've had a lot of big wins this one's weirdly way up there. Because, you know, especially when clay goes down with ten minutes left, but you think like it almost felt like Toronto is going to blow them out at a couple of points in the second quarter there, nobody really played well for them again, I guess, bogey was the only one you would say with over achieve curried in, you know, he he had no points there for a quarter or plus ended with. Twenty-three didn't have a great game. Klay was good to come out that he's sick. It'd be sick. Yes, sake. But I, I think at this point there's something wrong with everybody Draymond was had just an awesome all around game. But he wasn't it wasn't like he made seven threes or anything it was just still the turnover drive me bananas couple dumb outlets and all that. But it's like you said take that the star of the game was the collective hoops. I q and then to let. That last sequence in Iggy. That's why you have dudes like that. And that leads me to the quickey conversation. I wanted to have. I just think he's gonna end up being in the hall of fame. I think he is, you know what, what guys like mica Cooper, and big shot, rob, and all these dudes over the years. That's right. Robin hall of fame. He's not. But he should be. I tried to make a case from book he's not. But I think the difference with Iggy was that he had this whole half of his career before I talked about this last week. A little on the pied about. Yeah. He's a franchise guy for seven eight years. They're putting a big minutes and stuff like that. He Goodyear in Denver. He's been on the warriors now six years, I think he's gonna go down. When we talked about the iconic role players in playoff history. He has to be on the first wave of guys, you would throw out from, you know, from the last sixty years of basketball, go like you know, Havlicek early before he became a superstar his starter. And then you go into the seventies and you go like Paul Silas, as a six man who finished games. And just these great almost like overqualified roll guys. He's been one of the better examples if you look at his basketball reference page, he has an average ten points a game in six years since the Denver season he is never averaged ten points a game with the warriors in six years, but he's fine with it. And the great thing about him is guard. The best guy in the other team, he knows who he is. He always makes the play doesn't try to do anything he can't do and over and over again. He's made shots like tonight and, you know, I think everybody's gonna get in the hall of fame. So the hall of fame has become stupid. In the beginning, it was stupid ten years ago, and I wrote a book trying to blow it up. But I think he's Mitch McConnell fame. I think Richard Smith could be an all fame. I'm pretty sure. Yeah. Well, he's if there's some sort of playoff hall of fame. He's definitely on that I way, but he where does he rank for you for the for the all time. Great role guys on a great team. Who'd you put him having a hard time because he's a starter. And he's been a starter cente- arrive. So I don't think I've starter's role guys necessarily he's a he's, he's absolutely at the like very guts of the identity of this team. You know, the top rung is dream on and clay and Steph but Iggy is such a critical crucial component accrue, a crucial ingredient and ingredient without which this who would be tasteless that you would be you would say this, this, too, it's got a lot of parts, but it needs something to really give it the move. Where's mommy? He is you, mommy. Well, since the so I mean, this is Joe Dumars a role play now. Good. I think it's, it's like the big shot, rob. Right. We're big shot. Rob was not a rope where he was usually like the third or fourth best guy on whatever team he was on for awhile there anyway. But but big shut route never had a portion of his career like Iggy. The guy that's to career. Yeah. I mean, I was gonna say Dennis Johnson. But he's he was too good. I mean he was playing forty minutes. A game in the league was allot latte thinner back then. So you could have, you know, a starting five was like, what would have of the started five? Now, the thing with him that I don't think he gets enough credit for member. He he gets traded to Denver. He's, he's a free agent everybody assumed he was going back to Denver. And he signed with Golden State and at the time it was surprising, and it was also kind of a declaration by them that they're ready to become a real team member. And then that led to the next year was clay Draymond wasn't Draymond yet bogut. Was still there curry was rounding into what he would eventually become and Andre was the was the guy that made them seem credible. And that led to two thousand fourteen they had the great series against the quips, and that I think season. Them for the next year. But he's been there the whole time finals. MVP. You know, I, I never feel great when the best guy, you really have to have a shit series to win the finance MVP. If you're the best guy, my opinion, but it's on his resume, and it's great. He's, he's gets as vitals, and repeat for the rest of his life. So a really great great, great non superstar. I think would be the legacy for him. Right. I'll go with that. Yeah. The good description, or super great, I'm super star great non superstar. And I wonder. You know, he's somebody that you Bobby, I think Bosch was a great semi superstar, but, like but was had to do a lot of the stuff when he was on those LeBron Wade teams he had a bigger workload. He got more shots. He was a better player than he is frankly. But, but same thing. Gonna make you know, somebody sacrificed a lot to, to be part of something more special. I guess the, the cutoff line is, is probably Bosch. I think he's to getting good saw, I think, is another one who sacrificed a lot gonna make the hall of fame. I mean he shed a Mitch Richmond is in once Mitch Richmond got in. It's like you're in your -gratulations. You're all. You know that you do Jameson it's gonna make it. He's going to be in the hall of fame. He is he's gonna make it skirt twenty thousand point I can't abide it. He I mean he the, the baseline that he gave up till the LeBrun. I'll never forgive it. Wizards. Go ahead. Quick break, and we're and then we're going to continue, you know, heart is to find a new job. Look at boogie cousins, he couldn't even find a team last summer thought he was going to Lakers. Nope. Couldn't go back to the pelicans. What was he gonna do ends up taking? I think one year, five million to go to the warriors. Now he may get a ring. That's a good case scenario. There's bad case snares to. Well, what if you had your own personal recruiter to help you find a better job? Ziprecruiter's technology can do that for you. Download the ZipRecruiter job search app. Let it know what kind of jobs are interested in its technology starts doing the work the app plans. Jobs, your leg. 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He really was the ninety seven stats were in parallel. I don't get there's gonna be a world where Jalen makes it, I'm starting to talk myself into it. Three years of Michigan. The whole MBA curry had countdown. I dunno simply problem with. I'm not I'm being serious for ten seconds. If you wanna put the fan five into the NBA hall of fame, I mean, the, the basketball fame sorry, not the NBA where I'm for that with what they ushered in, in terms of, you know, a cultural change a kind of player empowerment, thing like it. It's a controversial kind of era, but I definitely credit those guys with, with a lot of, you know, opening up some is to what college basketball is all about. Like laying bare the some of the underbelly of, of, of college basketball and you know what they did die logistically, culturally, the impact that they had is indelible, and we'll go on forever. I want to put them in all. I'm good with it. Well, I at the very least see web should be an is Representative of all them, and nobody has more complicated relationship with see where the do, but having had to sit through many of his half asked wizards games for about four five years there, but. Speaking of, you know, an innovator true innovator nobody played more games. Come on. You want me to do now? We're cutting that. What innovator? But if you wanna put him in the five guy that's fine. It is complicated because he call by mouth. He didn't have. But for what the five men, you know, that sort of transformative impact, they had on college basketball, I'm fine. Well and also now that Jones the coach. They've kind of become America's unofficial team. I feel like unless you hate Michigan for some reason, or you have your own team, but for people people yet, but people like me that you, you still have Maryland. I didn't have anybody I had Holy Cross who who got row scholarships while we were there. So I'm I'm. Rain, by the way, it's purple rain compare notes on it. They made that they made a documentary behind cross. That's right. Yeah. The basketball just talk about I would rather watch documentary. Holy Cross intramurals style from. We had a good run from our era. What happens what happens in the NBA finals? Now. I feel like we are now we are now the TEZ wouldn't, what is it called when you in the tesla in the Tesla's driving person's not driving with Dr for me? Yeah. The auto the auto drive whatever it's called. I feel like we're we've now hit that with this finals, where we're not driving the finals and more have no idea what's going to happen. You tell me, I believe it be through it, but the true on known as the health situation. Yeah. Heard of clay will be, you know, better from whatever it is. But he suffer the cold experiencing flu, or never really be better on Wednesday. And you know, Toronto, so their credit, they don't they are not afraid to go on the road and beat somebody's, but that game six in Milwaukee was pretty impressive. Sounds like you like Toronto. I just I'm so impressed by quality of their debt. And I thought it was the thing that was going to have them lose Philadelphia in the second round and they got close. It took a, a miracle basket by coli with two seconds left. But, you know, those guys have have risen to the moment, you know, vanfleet pal Stockham predictably regrets. I how do we not town under nineteen and a half points for him tonight? What what's wrong with the for God's sake? He was was he's five for seventeen five eighty well, and they, they were also defending those side guys. A little bit better. This time it looks like Golden State is somewhere between minus two seventy a minus two ninety to win the series now which seems to be exactly where they were when the series started. Right. So we have three days rest Wednesday, which helps them the Friday as a murder. So that's forty eight hours later. They got game for. Is it a murder, or is, it's a murder rant leg? Gonna be better. It's a murder of Claes hurt. The Durant thing is the Durant thing is set up now he I mean, think about the conversations we're having on this podcast couple of weeks ago or even last week about, oh, my God. Can you imagine what if they win the title without him? Can he come back if they're up to nothing it's almost embarrassing if he came back, and they lost, now it is like not only do they need them. I don't think they can win the series unless he comes back. Interesting that to take if clay the clay thing did not look good. I mean whether he can play or not. That's not I'm, I'm not a doctor. I am in a whole not even make the bad joke. It looks like hyperextension and, and as far as hamstring injuries go, I, I don't think hyper expensive work. So the thing with clay famous famous famous bad ass of injuries. Yep. I think he's one of those, like, just he's like one of those quarterbacks that from the seventies say, Ken stay aboard. Ken Stabers playing with a broken ankle. I mean far far far esque say I sprained ankle was gonna play. That's a high ankle sprain. It'd be fun. I think he just spent the one thing with that, though, is, if fits a hamstring thing and it's push off leg does just no way that can affect his shot, he would have to change how shoots and then the anything is they still need him defensively in this series. So if he's kinda compromised, then drain on just has to be out of his mind. So I think the answer would be St.. Kirgiz telling Draymond, we need you. I love you. You're my guy I needed to go that he James six against Houston. I think he he must tell them stuff like, hey, man. I just ran into Rick welts backstage or by behind the behind the court. And he he's saying he didn't think he had it in you to carry us tonight. I was just I don't know. Man, don't kinda trae Mon but Rick was decide that guy's not. He doesn't have it. He must pull like all that weird. Motivational passive aggressive shit with them. Right. Just little clings to might people just bigoted employment was there was not a camera on dream on as the game ended. And whether or not, there was any exchange with Drake drain one had gone over there right now question. And I think what I think the NBA told ABC start showing Drake, so much, our rights are up in two years. Don't fuck with us. We've had it with this Drake, stuff, do not show him anywhere. Thank you on somebody's cell phone. I need to see the footage. Jake Hanna ref weekend because Anthony Joshua was his guy too. His aspect that was my favorite. I mean I can't begin to tell you. I wanted I was so impressed by my man release, I would have for Mexican. Five. For. Where we're gonna talk to Kevin Clark about that in a second in that we've already recorded, and let's just say we discuss his weight. And his body by euro. I love that guy. I would have a meal with that guy. He really now that the house of cards. Can we get Ruis and has the carbs? Nephew emails out today, should I should I inspire nephew like Steve Kerr inspires, Draymond shot. I mean, if you can't get s Krieger Bobby pull it off or. Cranial Bobby, maybe could get that one of those. Steve. Cochran do it. I don't know. Who knows? Who knows if he can book Ruis to send it there. The best would be the photo of you in Ruis about about to ten pounds of food. On the shipping. We're coming where does where we live? We could we could arrange that for like a video going there. He he lives in, in on this hemisphere, though, I can find them. Yeah. You think ruins the title and his entourage in his trainers are probably like, oh, man, we gotta watch out for, for Reaser q, let himself goes, now, that's like, it's, it's not getting co he's already already gone already gone. What if he gets in shape? It's working on a bad thing for them. It's great. It reminds me of member that year when Oliver Miller on the sons was. Laughing cook, you know, he battled his way his whole career like a travel, nobody member that one year in the Suns where he was playable, how much fun that was everybody loved offer Miller, and they'd Richard Dumas who had already been suspended. I don't even remember how many times for drugs, and they just were able to just get these one magical year out of each of them and it was early enjoyable. It was really fun. All right. How so you think so you both of us are just throwing our hands up in there at this point. Yeah. Who I fake the warriors are gonna win. I think the words are gonna win sick. That's you know, that's the first opinion. It's the same thing I thought before the series started. I'm greatly. Intrigued by I I'm my, my senses are alert all five senses are play with what's Rondos broad the table. But that third quarter the beginning of the third quarter of that stretch. I've been waiting for it for for three and a half games. And you know, this is the thing you never know to punch in the face. Frank what else over is going to respond? So let's see let's see what they show off with on Wednesday night. Well, most important if the words in winning the title boogie actually deserves the earned the ring now. He earned the Ray or in the ring, 'cause ho cry after they win. It's legitimate. You're gonna play a huge part in the rest of the series. I, I mean when they played them like twenty eight minutes today, and it looked like he was done at about the twenty three minute Mark of that. And just kind of gotten through it. Him catching the ball at the free throw line as distributor store. Door cut is is incredible. So have Draymond ambush both capable of doing that? It's a it's a game changer. Well, you know, you know, you know, it's crazy. He was such a good low post player back in the day, and it's like they're not even using that at all. They didn't even they didn't even use that part of him in that game in that entire six minute stretch where they didn't have any baskets, I kept wondering why don't they just try to get the ball down low? Maybe that'd be a game that was like, when one of the most frustrating things about the Milwaukee Toronto series was Milwaukee just forgetting that brook Lopez was a low post player for his entire career until this year, and has like a jump hook and drop step and a Bank shot like he's got moves down there, I felt the same way with cousins, especially if they mix it up and try to put like a Bach out there stuff like that. Well, really, you could be him yet. He thinks he has an advantage over sole. He knows he does like. You could see him licking lift a couple of times when he got the ball and faced up. And it was like, who? His his brain is processing bodies up to where his brain is like you try to play basketball right now. I know what do I know where I wanna go. I know the egg, I wanna take I know I could beat this little bitch. But maybe maybe the parts don't wanna go there. All right house. This is fun. Thanks for doing this ho, I hope you have one more burrito tonight in honor of indie. Ru is. Leftovers for Pacifico. Are we gonna have another Pacifico? I know that. Was the restaurant Pacifico you or your Jiechi Pacific? Ohs cricket. Pacifico. Obviously. I thought you I thought you went to a Mexican restaurant called Pacifico. I should initiate, the world's famous quavos here northwest. You gotta guavas taking d WADA's. All right. Mike. God, you kidding me injuries. Come on. How's the carbs has? We'll talk to you soon back later. 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Now podcast, parents, Kevin car, he didn't think he was doing anything this weekend, then a young man, young, lovable man, a young gigli fantastic champion of a man. Andy erase junior came into our lives. I'm still reeling Kevin car. I, I think I'm happy. I think that's the overriding thing right now. I'm just distill really happy. That was just such a fun fight it ruins all the plans, the promoters, had for the next two years of boxing, which is a very good thing. And I'm just thrilled that Andrew is exists. Yes. So this fight, I was gonna watch it. I was watching the the Bruins game game three and the Bruins added handily decided, but it felt like they were going to be some fights 'cause the blues were getting little chippy. So I had hung around and I was watching it, and then at forgot the fight was on. And I go over flipped at his own 'cause there's like three minutes left in the Bruins game. And I'll send all hell breaks loose. The ran three it's like, oh, there's Joshua always right? Is gonna knock out Ruth and I had been getting tax seeing on Twitter like, oh man you should see this injuries houses guy, boxer gets knocked down gets up, Josh was gone for the finisher. Reza's. For responding with bombs, and then all of a sudden Josh was falling down and this becomes one of the great rounds in, in recent boxing history. Nothing and I repeat nothing the lights may more than when both guys. Get knocked down in the same round. Does it have a name there phrase for that? I don't know. We can come up we won't right now. Yeah. How about me Bhakta doubling Octo wanting when at the same time? But I'm using so, so Ruis hits him with the left and Joshua never really recovers. And that now to those two knockdowns who's basically saved by the bell at the end of that round. And then he wishes gassed after that. I don't know what Joshua was doing the entire fight. He was very cocky, even at the end, you know, right before the last knockdowns between knock down three and four. They're so many of them, he kind of looked at his corner, and gave like shrug like I'm totally fine like an eyebrow, kind of raise like I got this, and he just clear we didn't. I don't know how he was. Processing. What was happening a very strange fight from his at this happens every once in a while. I'm boxing. I forget who who mentioned. Did you have Corey Sanders in your piece? I can't remember. Yeah. Co people did I did not course. Enters, obviously be click maybe. Assad on fighter. Yeah, because I want to that was like, oh, three ladder, MIR Klitschko that was right when he was like getting some momentum as like here, come the which goes and this dude course, Anders just beat the living how out of Knox bound to rents core Sanders had similar interesting body type as well. Right. He thick trunk. Vic trunk Corey. And then and then the brother revenged it the next year. But so that was fun subplot to. I was like, when the brother has to avenge, whatever this one, like rock Lewis was a big deal, I think that got swept under the rug every, but everybody to faulted right to Douglas Tyson. Which, yeah, I think I think Rochman Lewis is more like it, especially the, the English champion thing. I will say, I washed the Rochman fight today. Yeah. To HBO broadcast started singing America, the beautiful after the knockout George Foreman. That was interesting choice. Zuber xenophobic back, then I think. Choice. That's all it was just interesting call. Yeah. I, I hate taking hate when the Douglas, Tyson's Dame gets taken in vain, because that was the greatest sports upset of my lifetime, other than maybe the Americans beating the Russians. In eighteen eighty. It was just so improbable. Everybody was watching it this fight, you know, was was considered to be this pushover. It was a last minute. Ruiz's coming, and he's filling in for somebody who failed to PD tests. I'm Bill three three PD tests, well, three different PD tests, give or take it was one take to others. The last minute sub Joshua fought like a guy who had a last minute. Sub and saw picture of Ruis like fighting that guy. All right. I just won't trade anywhere 'cause he he was a disaster this fight. He got knocked out four times. He didn't look. He was in shape. He was incoherent after the fight. He seemed happier for his family. I don't know what was going on Kevin. So there are a couple of things. Number one, is that the commonality between both the Louis loss and then Tyson Douglas loss is that they were all in not the country of the champion were seen more as marketing tours. And that's certainly what this was all talk before this was just about Joshua having his footprint in the United States before the mega fight start in twenty twenty or twenty twenty one and those three had that in common, and from, from just a fighting perspective, I, there was a total lack of respect like, what you said for Ruis. He's was a top prospect. He you know, he he's only had one loss was controversial Joseph Parker, who went the distance with Joshua. So it's not like he was total can it's wasn't a disgraceful fight. It's just exactly what you said, you see a picture of a reason to underestimate maybe that helped him a little bit. I think from a boxing standpoint, Josh wedge, huge flaws and his don't think that they've addressed those when he still lacks a reliable jab the broadcast last night, that, that he still does not fight guy who six foot six, he still fights like a guy who six foot, and that's not how shop wait. So he had huge flaws. Mean it looked like one of those football games were one of these teams just did not have games like they'd never watched film before. Yeah. I, I blame myself because this felt like one of the great gambling opportunities of all time, Anthony Joshua in general was dying to get beaten by somebody who had huge odds, and it was just a matter of time before it happened. I've never totally understood it. He looks he looks the part on paper much like the oh, brother did before he got knocked out by corsairs, just look, the part. But the the overall game was there. The thing is, I don't follow boxing the way I used to follow it. And I think the die hard boxing, people actually kinda liked res like he just looks weird. But he's got he's really fast hands. He was a big prospect as you said, he hasn't really gotten his ass kicked in fight even that one fight. The Parker like people thought he won that fight. So, yeah, this wasn't like unbelievably crazy. And then the other thing is, you know, the fact that Joshua's just been ducking, everybody and been very careful. About who is fighting is a bad sign. I think that says something I think Joshua be the first bit is probably not that good. Right. So there's a couple of things Don pack. Their number one is that Joshua has been on the ropes a couple of times, you know, he was hurt against Klitschko. He was hurt against Dillion white even before that. But I think that people, I don't know if real boxing heads, really liked Ruis in any meaningful way through our couple of people who are now coming out of the woodwork. And, and I'm sure that the people who bet great for them, but I didn't see any real momentum for as before the fight. I, I saw somebody said last night, there was some late money coming in on Ruis reim- yet. Yeah. I mean who knows how reliable about is I did you see the odds, by the way, that they put out on now wild versus Joshua and fury verse Joshua, because it's flipped. And now both he's gone from a favourite and both those fights underdog about those fights, just overnight. So that, that's, that's a separate thing. That's, that's kind of incredible. But I agree the fact that, that he wasn't entertaining. Big. You know, Lennox Lewis came out and kind of ripped him rip Joshua about five months ago. And said that they feel like he and his team are content with just keeping them. The United Kingdom selling out big stadiums going against inferior competition. There was a lot of money to be made in fighting at Wembley fighting and Cardiff, whatever selling eighty thousand seventy thousand seats and having him win in a fifth round knockout or whatever I think that his team may be got too complacent in that regard, and he didn't stop competition. And now of he's getting beat by Andy Ruiz. Well, let's be honest. This was the Vladimir I can never say, a well Ademir. I'm just fine by my my lips. Can't do it. That's fine. The inferior cook. Oh, brother. He that was basically his recipe unless there was, I mean, it was partly, there was one of the worst heavyweight droughts, just for talent that ever that we had from quit goes. And they wouldn't fight each other. But if you look so he loses to Sanders and then he lost to Lamar. Brewster TKO three fights later. And that's in April two thousand four. And then goes on this epoch ten ten when route winning streak are actually more than that. It was like fifteen minutes. I defy you to name three guys that he fought. Let's do it right now. No, you can't get it right. Don't look. I'm sorry. I'm already looking at it, but I will say he went eleven years, it was not a murderer's row. Not a murders. This was like when in rocky three when Mickey admits to rocky that he intentionally just had had him fight a bunch of beat boss. So he could keep the title. I it's like Samuel Peter, he fought Rochman seven years after you would've wanted if Iraq win all these David Hayes in their own Brewster was events that losses avenge Chris Byrd was in there. So I mean who was in there? It was it was interesting interesting crew there for that eleven years. So we lost Tyson theory in two thousand fifteen right? So the res- the recipe was in place, and Joshua, the fact. Well, I mean, the recipe for every boxer ever is in place. Would you just, you know, fighting for your competition, make a ton of money, unfortunately, that's, that's the way to make money in boxing at this point. And let these super fights marinate three years after everybody wants them. Yeah. It's, it's called the flood Mayweather. He found a couple of dudes but, you know, Floyd Floyd is able to get out of boxing, basically, with almost all of his brand cells of feels like what like ninety five. Yeah, it's it's, it's a mixture of savvy booking and great defensive fight in great head movement from Floyd. Yeah. Is he played a perfect like qudos to him? So that thing Joshua, you know, I always we seem with this, resurgence with boxing in the streaming services and ESPN. Pause and design and everybody's kinda lining up to try to get their guys. I don't think Joshua had a deal, like the deal that Cannella had, but he definitely was under under his own. I think people's first reaction. This is obviously a little awkward because they're the sponsors podcasts on an inside info in this. But I think people's first reaction was this is bad for dessert on actually think it was like the greatest moment of the zone history. They're gonna get the rematch and odds are he's gonna take this rematch a little more seriously. It's a great fight. It's now a can't miss fight, plus, we get Andy REEs of it. I'm sure they have options on that, dude. And more importantly, it has people talking about heavyweight boxing, again, which really started, you know, with the with the fury welder fight. And just in general, these fights have been so much more entertaining, the last couple years, kind of feels like heavyweight boxing's a little bit back. Right. Kind of. I mean, where's Andy Ruis. Now after this fight as far as famous active boxers. Oh my God. It really high. Yeah. You would think really, really high. So everybody is going to watch this rematch. It's going to be awesome than you have. So in early twenty twenty wilder and fury are fighting. And so this is actually starting to okay, the wilder Joshua mega fight his out. But, but who cares? I'd rather have this and spark in the entire division than the twenty twenty one mega fight at Wembley stadium. I, I don't. I have things to do in my life. Let's see some actual matchups here. Yeah. So you have this N wild fury yell out. If you're an early twenty twenty hopefully for that sake wilder gets passed through our tease rematch, the, which is all, and so you've now got sort of a setup here where I mean, if he's beats Joshua. That's, that's just again, that's just incredible. And he would, I'd guess face the winner of louder fury after that. And then Joshua's careers with more blemish, maybe he fights loser of. Wow. A fury. I don't know how exactly it sets out. I just know, maybe this loss from Joshua makes everybody more comfortable fighting each other. You know, one of the things to Lampley talked about this, a lot kind of the Colt of zero in boxing, which is Floyd. Mayweather was was forty nine and eleven. No, and everybody wants keep that zero and losses can be a good thing that can spark things. Think about all the middleweights in the eighties, and that, that the that division was helped because guys weren't afraid to lose her zero now the Joshua lose your we won't be productive. Maybe they get a little more with the book and stuff. F-. It is true, Ali lost a bunch of times, even before he started really losing, his brain cells and his coordination, he, he had some losses. Losses are fun. People have to come back from losses. They're better storyline. I would much rather have this. I feel like you know, we see this in, you see and, and Ballatore like we're kind of conditioned to goodguys losing and then coming back and win in the next time. So when I when, when Conor McGregor lost against Kabibi October, he was at cowboy stadium like a week later and they acted like he was a king. I mean it was like no one cared that he lost. And I think that there's in other sports, even other fight sports, there's less of a stigma around losing. And for some reason, boxing, we've dispeat- been conditioned to throw guys aside, when they lose. And maybe this, this is going to be okay for the heavyweight division, while the while. They're two of his last three fights have been really entertaining DOT's fight was good. I liked that I loved it. And then he had a knockdown in his last fight. It was one of the better knockdowns of the social media era. I felt that was on everybody's feed. And then the Dragen fury was like a really, really fun sporting event. And I've excited to watch it lose a theory going around and it was it was suggested on a broadcast as well that Wilders knockout at Brazil a couple of weeks ago, led to similar early mistakes from Joshua, because he was going for that highlight reel, knockout interesting when he had that, that third round knockdown of reas- you could see him just get really really excited about the knockout looked like he was trying to close. And that's when he opened up a little bit. So I wonder if there was sort of a, hey, I've got a match this, you know, not so for social media, but hey, he just went out and destroyed a guy that I took seven rounds. Maybe I forget that kind of vicious, knockout to, and you could tell who's maybe going for that a little bit in the third. Yeah. And if you pause, the fight right before Ruis landed the counter that got that just completely flipped the fight. It just seemed like Joshua was to punch. His away from from finishing it. And now you look at it and I that was a pretty devastating loss from just the stylistic standpoint. Once I was think, like once a dude gets knocked down, or fight flips like that. You kinda find out who they are as boxer to some degree, you know. And like when this I watched the Kushko core Sanders fight again this morning and he just didn't know what to do once thinks flipped and he was in the Bowie, you know. And he didn't know how to hold. He didn't know how to keep them off with his jab, nothing and Chris, Mannix, in his piece that he wrote did a good job of pointing out how it that was the fight when he goes and gets a manual Sanders. Yep. Here. Yeah. Upside him whose middle sater's wide receiver got. Bronco's Peyton Manning went out and got him annual Sanders. He got Emmanuel Lewis and that Neta. No, so you get to being a Stewart teaches them had throat had throw the heavy jab that completely changes the course of his career, and it's interesting with the with the size that Joshua has it's really crazy that he doesn't have a job like that. And he does seem like somebody that, you know, whoever two thousand nineteen version of a manual Stewart is would have some fun, at least work with him. He's got the perfect body Scott power. It's unclear if he can take a punch. But there there's some real tools there. You know. So I don't know. We'll see how it goes, I would say, what would you say? The wilder odds were against him. Wilder he is now plus one ten and he was minus two hundred yesterday. And while there's another one who, who gets clocked in these fights. Tease yet. But an and fury. Yes. Fury is now. He's now one fifty against plus one fifty against fearing was minus fifty yesterday so completely flipped, and then we I don't feel like we spend enough time talking about him, but the man who went our hearts, and you're is junior. First of all, my God. Did you see the degeneration X chop Kiai dated, and just blubber going everywhere it was just it was transcendent, who was Andrew is senior ju- find out today to deep dive on that I have I have not done a deep? Dive, he gave a very touching tribute to his mom. He said, he's not gonna they're not gonna struggle anymore as a family, which is very touching to see, you know, he was a former top rank guy, Chris, Mannix again, talked with that an apiece about how good of a prospect, he was it wasn't again. It was not like he was a can quite a personality. Tyson fury comes out earlier this week and compares them to the child from up and the UK press ask him if he's offended by this. And he was like, no, I do look like that guy. Like he's just, he's a very honest self deprecating guy. Love snicker said he was gonna eat Snickers for the match. I don't know if you did that or if was just saying, I didn't follow up on this actual Snickers consumption. Yeah. But he is a guy that we need in our lives was it. Listen. I was I was walking around Los Angeles day. We're talking about this at the gym there to lunch. I heard I haven't heard outward boxing, talk in a long time. Yeah. And that was even coming up the hills of the fury wild or fight, which was a great fight. But I agree this felt a little bit different. And I watched up my wife and my son were watching with me 'cause they're waiting for the fight to end. So we watch movie and both of them are so transfixed by him in rooting for him. And then we, we are also having questions that have never had watching a fight before. And I've been watching fights my whole life about who. We got an argument about whether all the extra fat is actually good for him because my wife was like this. It's actually good. The punches are bouncing off him. It's more of a shield, and I was like, I'm not sure that's how its works at. I don't know if there's muscle underneath there and she's like, why do you know what if what if he's just hard underneath? And then the outer fat is a shell. I've never had that confidence to my life. Forty nine years old injuries nearly this is base. Its littoral Simpson's plot. It were Homer was such a large man. He could just take punches. If you had such large head and man, he and so he became federal box very good if you haven't seen it, but I do think the fact there at some point, it becomes an advantage that Ruiz had had, like twenty five pounds on Joshua to sixty eight. Yeah, yeah, I mean, I know I know Josh was what seven six inches taller five inches tall or something like that. But at some point being compact like that matters. Well, any fast? Hands, which was clear from the first round and Josh will slow yet. He wasn't, you know, we've seen fac is before fighting in and usually they throw their punches take a long time to, to develop in. He he was the opposite. I it was pretty clear right away like that. He wasn't a chump. And then he got knocked down as I got stupid. Why'd I think this fact I had a chance. Yeah. And then he gets up and start throwing bombs, again, there's also the sort of the weird sort of psyche thing, where right broadcasting niceness where his one loss of Parker. The reason he thought he lost was he didn't let his hands fly. So he was just gonna start throwing bombs that was what was really fun to see is a lot of these guys. You know, we complained a couple of weeks ago, especially about the Cannella fight whereas like why don't these guys in the eleventh round to start throwing haymakers that's easier said than done. You're gonna get knocked out if you do that it's more of a guy from a couch yelling but, but Ruis was really intent on just throwing bombs who's fighting like you would imagine a heavy underdog should fine. It was awesome to say, well, in my fear with where boxing was going with all these streaming sites carving up the best town with with big deals was what happened with Floyd where the fights become a business, arrangement, not a fight, and it's, it's not one of those things I hate he's term life or death with boxing, because people die, but it's not it doesn't feel like life or death out there guys go to the fringe, but they, they're not really laying it all out, knowing that, you know, if I win this, I'll get all get another huge pay day. Now they've already gotten the payday. They've locked it up. And even with like Joshua who doesn't have the three hundred thirty million dollar contract. Cannella got he's still taking care of the zone deal. You know, he's it's not, it's this fight was not life or death of them. He didn't take it seriously. And he just thought he could show up and fight. It tomato cannon the guy was in tomato Cam, but what was the what was the fight we were just talking about this triple g? Oh against Jacobs Jake Jacobs. Can no I. Yeah I'm sorry canal against Jacobs. And in the twelfth round. You know, it wasn't inconceivable that Jacobs won the last round or if it was even ten eight that he could have gotten a jar one. And you thought he would have gone out there, just thrown bombs, and he was totally good with it. All right. I I'm okay if I lose the twelve than I lose this fight seven of five. I didn't get knocked out. I'm great. I'll live to fight another day. I'll get more fights. I'm good. And that's been a lot of boxing fights. I what I've watched that don't know partly has to be, you know, the fact that guarantee paychecks. But I also wonder like you know, the collateral damage boxing, just in general, and what we've seen with some of these retired guys. It's, it's rare that you see, somebody just get off the canvas on haymakers like ru is dead. You know, was it was. It's something max Hillman, talks about a lot. And it's something that's really insightful, which is that essentially boxing, fans and boxers have there have exact opposite interests in mind. Throughs, wanna get boxers wanna get out with the most money in the least damage and the fans just one a lot of damage. They won't worse. Yeah. And they want super fights which and the super fights, if they occur too much sort of limit, the, the amount of money you can have. Yeah. And so it's it if you were a boxer, if I were a boxer, I would wanna go the sort of key, Thurman row, which is, you know, fight twice a year, make one five and get out, right? Like that's the smartest move. You keep your head you keep your brain. And, and you get out with, with money, I think that in some ways the stuff we wanna see is against the interest of the boxer, and it's a very strange thing to reckon with in that sport. And with the added, I guess benefit for the boxers of a pretty big sample. Sized now of how you don't wanna end up. Yeah. Yeah. I'd say, I don't know of Emma's said, same sample size yet. Well, I think that am amazed to, to new to know that. Yeah I mean zone around for twenty twenty five year. Yeah. That's I, I think that it's a bad sign that when wilder and fury refining fought in Los Angeles. And I went to the fight. This is a fan like I felt like there had been some sort of mistake that these guys were fighting like that's a bad site. Right. I was just like what's going on, like, is this actually going to happen? I was driving there, 'cause it's really clerical error something wired to the best heavyweights fighting each other. That's that's a problem. So India ruse junior. I don't know how long he's going to be in our lives. But so damn lovable. I love. Oh, by the way frat to mention first kit American heavyweight champ. Yeah. I think I don't know when but I think there's gonna be a spectacular scolding story from somebody about the fat shaming of injuries junior is gonna be should I'm gonna guess mu-. Monday, but maybe Tuesday, but probably Monday, somebody just lecturing us. And, and getting on mount pious and being a pious bat. Look, this is boxing and people using shape when they box and this guy was not, and for us to not talk about that is insane. And the other thing is he can't win the title and now get outta shape. He's already outta shape it not like it's all man watch out now that this guy's won. The title. Watch out man. He's gonna let himself co it's like he let him go. Five years ago we're here arrive. Reminds me a little bit of, like, you know, those, the genre Enviro tweet where it's like some guy, who's now a great athlete. Look, a dork in high school like Noah Syndergaard, right? Like it's like, hey, this guy, this guy like this ten years ago now looks like this, it room release photos, remind me that except that's what he's still looks like terracing photos are just what he is. And it's amazing. It's great like, I, I don't. I don't see like a I if there is sort of a shame cycle about Andy Ruiz, I, I don't I'm opting out. I just think that he's great. He's wonderful. We should embrace him. He's an amazing personality. And I hope superstar the shame cycle. He yet. Nothing out. Please. Can you can you right along think pace of make me reconsider? My thoughts about watching India, res and wondering why he was overweight. And I need to, to reconsider 'cause 'cause that's that would that wasn't a natural reaction oughta be like, oh my God, that guys like thirty pounds overweight house. He that getting. Lucked out incredible. I, I hope he never changes would love to have on the podcast. I enjoyed his interviews. I hope he stops by the ringer, and we could all hang out with them. He's the best eighty arrays bogs as in person. I can't remember the last time I talked about boxing on a podcast verd- twenty seven minutes. We're back in a while back. I k c are you worried about the Angelo Russell for hundred eighty million dollars this summer with the magic or no? On, I doubt would be sort of a previous sort of rob Hennigan panic move. I believe in the front office now. I believe an office. Now. Holy shit. I believe front office. We have a new front office with Zach Petit de believing. The jets were gonna let Riley Makati came up to me in the office today. Asked me whether was a fit for the kings. And I said absolutely at some insane cost. Yeah ahead. You can have him Sacramento back yourself out Sacramento, a jets jets front, office, you have faith in them, or no. I if they hired Joe Douglas, that's the grit the best thing they can do. I mean, wouldn't have been better to hire the smart guy from Philadelphia before the draft before for agency just thought. I was I was really hoping that all the Peter Schrager stuff was true because it would be funny to have somebody who has made a concerted effort to connect with albeit people over the last, twelve years, including me now have a GM job, who would he leaked to what would he do? I would just be like a Li you know. Wasn't actually going to be the GM. It was the he was gonna like pick the GM which wasn't true. I know. But then I got excited that maybe they would just ask them to GM would pull a Dick Cheney and just name himself GM. Yeah. Exactly. Media because GM's. They sure have Matt Millen was went from the media, that Mellon was like pastor Mike. My he's, he's a GM pita shakers. One of the jets one of the jets leaks was Daniel, Jeremiah was going to go, but that seems to not be the case anymore. He was going to be Joe Douglas number two, but that's their reporting now says that's not gonna happen. So Joe Douglas is legitimately good higher for the jets if they can make it, they need to give them four Oster control and given the time machine to undo the free agency. So you, you have giants, minus one fifty over the jets for most incompetent near football franchise ODA. Well, you know, a lot of our staffers really excited to chart this this year jets for giants. Yeah. I think that the I don't think either them going too good. This year if they hired Joe Doug. It depends if the if the sort of I dunno. Darnold is a better quarterback than anything. The giants have gone on. How about that? So so automats. The jets are gonna be embellishing the giants. Yeah. Grew that somebody on my Twitter. The other day was talking about ally in the two thousand. San Francisco playoff game. And I went and watched the video, because it was just as chorus of everybody just agreeing how Grady was in that game. And how Tuffy was and I was like, all right. I got to see this. I don't really remember it this way. Any did make some plays. But there's a fourteen minute clip of the game. And in classic. He fashion two different times during the game. He threw an interception a double coverage and the guys collided into each other the first time the guy got carried off the field after eight minutes. Then the second time was on the key play the game where either guy had caught it. The game's over the giants lose, I that's how I'm gonna remember he lie. When when all said and done. I, I don't know if he makes the hall of fame or not. But I will never remember why another QB throwing into double coverage having both guys not only drop it or but potentially knock each other out, like lamented, what to keep. Hey, bill. You know, I'm gonna remember manning beating the patriots into Super Bowls. I don't know if you were there for that, or anything like that, I'm gonna have a football not. You let us. You don't even have like, Andy Ruiz, I can just come out and to start throwing these hooks. Sped up my mouthpiece. Just limited by border. What you could you could always come through magic. It's fun cat. How do we lose to Kyle? How do we lose soup both that you live done with it? Unbelievable. That guy go away. Retires Kevin we can here in the ringer and fell show. We can read you on the ring dot com. Thank you, as always. Thanks, man. Irene come buddy Jacko to talk about baseball and a little two thousand twenty presidential election. I today's podcast is brought to you partly by SimpliSafe home security, a great security system. Awesome protection very easy to use. And they're from Boston. Massachusetts, SimpliSafe got started because they Harvard engineers, France got burglarized. 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So now we're calling on Sunday night. Here is gieco. All right. On the line, my buddy Jacko, you know, at the had the finals had all these things last week. And, and someone got salty that I didn't call before big Yankees Red Sox series that, that. I'm just going to say you came out and basically made it seem like duct do because the Red Sox season wasn't going that well, which that hurt my feelings, they said that. I'm sorry. I'm happy to talk to you again. I was worried. I was never gonna talk to you again on the phone. Just exchange angry. Text with me. So it's good to hear your voice, somebody who still upright still alive and still using the phone. That's good. First of all, we won the World Series last year. I don't know if you realize that we've won the World Series twice since the last time in the World Series. We've won the World Series four times more than the century. I don't have any approve right now. That's why check in. We're living in the past. Is that the deal even in the past, but it's, you know, I still have faith in this Red Sox team that is been banned ran around five hundred for one third of the season and hesitated, for Dr payroll, whatever it is. But I still I still feel like it's going to heat up Johnny do. Well, I mean, you know, John, sterling the voice of the ankles, always has this thing, where sisters his cohort involvement, while that's baseball, Susan, what some, you know, guy goes four for four one night, and over for the next. So really the two thousand nineteen Red Sox at the pit at me of, well, that's baseball Susan because last year, they were world bidders, they couldn't lose. They have essentially the same team this year. What the BIC -ception of kimbrel. But none of these guys are world leaders share. Where the team that couldn't lose last year. Can't get into the way this year. It's crazy. Essentially the same team except for nobody to close a baseball game. And we've had like nine blown saves and I. I. Bullpen is, you know. Aside, that's like a side from the bat. Mrs Lincoln house, the play but aside from the blown saves your bullpen actually has not been horrible. It's just we don't have somebody who could actually close games. Now kimbro was a walking heart attack. He was what he was a walking heart attack last year. You know you walk the tight rope with him a lot last year. So it's not like he was, you know, primary on Rivera. But obviously all the news there's, like, what we should, you know, you should signed him, you should have given them the money. But, you know, his demands were outrageous, you one hundred dollars. It's just it's just not gonna happen. Well, he was my tries to call for this podcast if you if you didn't answer so because. I think the biggest problem of the Red Sox is what my buddy hands shoes, trying not to lose his mind, especially because he loves the Bruins they're in the Stanley Cup, but he just texted me over the weekend. How many if all the Yankees and Red Sox relievers were just all in the same bullpen? How many Yankee relievers in Rhode get picked before any Red Sox reliever? Oh, yeah. I just got I bummed out. It's true. I mean, the Yankees vote Penn, which was predicted to be strength of theirs has turned out to be you have guys like out of, you know, and, and calmly who's back and Britain. And they're all this who's been you know, he, he makes me nervous personally against the Red Sox. But he's been really he's been really good this year. So their bullpen has been lights out out of, you know, has been everything that was advertised and, and calmly back and Britain who last year was a little bit of adventure, has, has righted the ship and their bullpens. It's just been a lockdown bullpen because their starters Herman was hot. He's got a he's got cold lately c c c c Tanaka a tight rope everyday every outing, but they're both, so the, you know, the starters to go that deep because the bullpens is so deep that you can bring KYW's in early, and, you know four or five innings out of the bullpen, not a has not been a problem so far this year. Who I made fun of you before the season about having had that type of guy on my fantasy team every year. Of course he's on my fantasy team right now getting the updates of all the long toss. They've increased the longtime to sixty feet. Oh, good. He threw from seventy five feet. Hey there's been a simulated game against a bunch of Little League World cigarette kids. And this week is throwing from the mount. So he's making. For them. But as it turns out, you didn't need him because you have forty other guys. So when we good, so far knock on what we're underselling this Yankee season. Though I do feel I watching from far just bristling with hatred at all times. I do feel the Yankee fans really love this season, and they love all the injuries and all these fucking random dudes that have come up and had, you know, couple big hits here there and couple spots starts now know, who's next up of this guy's heard, no whatever some random dude, and you're just all really enjoying it, and I hate it. Well, one correction, we don't love the injury. Nobody loves injuries, but we do love the fact that it's like the, the gritty gutter Yankees fold, the guys that are not highly touted guys off the scrap heap your GO or show, your Luke Boyd that will, you know cardinals bit, but gave them away or shell out. The got for cash. They bring up. Tiro Estrada, who not I mean, his semi highly touted prospect, not the top of the line, and he has filled in admirably. They've got guys like Cameron babe enough scrappy guys that you never thought would be involved in the Yankees theories. And they have these guys that, you know, they're not trying to hit the ball out of the park and the and the probably have had the past couple of years. You know, they went out. I mean you know the Marlins essentially gave them staying. They didn't really have a choice but to take him. And he's either he's a big splinter, big misguide. So it's either he's he's all or nothing. And then big cl-, you know, I know the advanced metrics people said, there's no such thing as Cluj, but when you look at a guy like DJ the Mayhew with he's hitting like four hundred plus with, with two outs and runners scoring position. That's what the Yankees have lacked. They have not been able to get a big hit with guys on base, and especially with two outs. Certainly last season. That was there that was the bane of their distance this year. Guys, like LeMay who and, and our show have been coming through every time big situations. It's just incredible. And you know, going into season, you're thinking, well, it's going to be standing it's going to be judged. It's going to be an to har- and heart who had the highest average on the last year and was their best hitter. And the thing they haven't had guys that can get on base in front of the guys that can hit it out of the park. And this year with may who it or shallow. And, and, you know, voice had some big hits, you know, voice more of a home run hitter. But LeMay who, in her show, our guys get on base in front of guys and, and do some damage. It's really been awesome to watch to last four Matanzas headlines were ready for mound work close to facing hitters set for another bullpen could face enters this week. It's. It's it's not having injured pitcher in deep fantasy. Like, who would if you had to guess you don't I mean you don't have to. I'm not gonna tied to this. I won't make fun of if you're wrong, they had to guess would Yankee who's doing probably while. Right. Is most likely to fail PD test. Would you say, like ten tie? Or is there name that really jumps out? Well, the one that I would always be worried about his Sanchez because he's gigantic became well. Yeah because you know he was hurt last year. He's got a little something to prove and he has I saw that today where the last guy to have eighteen home runs before the all-star break was Yogi Berra. And Sanchez is now still another month and change. So the all star break, you should send them your piece and him like a nice reserve a urine. I definitely will if it comes to that. I'll, I'll send whatever's needed. We tested Sanchez year today. It says he's a forty nine year old white man, and Connecticut. That's weird women. That's another. Positive for IP a P. Do you think you'll ever see judging it like is he just he's just too much muscle and can't eat? Each is gonna keep pulling muscles that you and I probably don't even have in our bodies. It's funny to think about baseball. Oh, it's not Joey funny. But ironically that you have these guys like judge Stanton that are like, you know, Greek gods carved out of marble and you have a guy like John Kruk, you know, or Greg loosens gave never disabled, you know, smoking cigarettes, drinking beer, after the game never heard. But these guys that are like, you know, workout feeds are hurt all the time. You know, they're always injury prone. So I think you need more fat guys in baseball and less Greek gods. But that is a concern with judges that he's just he's so big. And there's just, you know, baseball swing so violent there's just so much can go wrong there for a guy his eyes and you know that's probably going to be lingering thing in his career. Unfortunately, you know, Carlos BELTRAN came out and said that the nature of judges injury that even when he comes back this year never gonna feel a hundred percent. I'm reading of this because he's one of the best guys on my fantasy team that's tanked. And, and there's been stories. Like even if he comes back this year, he'll never be a hundred percent until next year. It's like what, what did he get shot by? An old rifle from the seventeen hundreds what happened? I know. These diseases like from the old west like a wagon train like the secondary cover that one, you know, I guess, because his side is up league or whatever swing. And, you know, it's if you're swinging baseball bat, it's just going to reactivate it. So he's just gonna have to just going to have to deal with it. And the, the one that's more trouble of is, is Stanton who you know, originally went on the deal with a I think it was a bicep injury towards bicep or something. And then that something happened, it was back and shoulder. And like they can't even explain. What's wrong with his shoulder? Like you know, we can put a man on the moon. We have 'em is about medical technology. We can't figure what the hell's wrong with chink Carlos in shoulder. It's like mystifying medical science. And then he like hurt. His Lee came back for a game and hurt his leg. It's like I don't mighty guys really snake bit. And they're like, Debbie, Debbie wrestlers not just not just judging Stanton. But like, you know. Twelve guys in baseball where it's like when AAA at triplets gonna miss wrestlemainia, his tricep came off his body in around the ring, and they have to put it back on these, these are injuries that you get when you're just like gigantic and really strong and what's hurt so much. Like I can't even imagine how much it hurt that you're like your bicep cart. Well, what about so painful, I don't do we have an oblique muscle county? We have research, all human beings have an oblique muscle, right? We ours, probably just aren't that might not be able to see us, right? Have you ever done anything that would possibly strain in any way? I don't think. Text me and goes, hey man, not gonna be able to produce the podcast for six weeks. I pulled my oblique muscle. I'd be like what? Did you do that? Outermost of three flat muscles on a art anterior abdomen. Yeah, I guess I mean you have to have just a really strong abdomen. Maybe maybe he should just get, you know, cut the weightlifting a little bit Dula more Politis sounds like maybe a little. Hilo high Aaron judge. Maybe. There was a time. There was a time about a month ago in the season where I was like the Yankees, actually they stretch before games barely stuff ballgame where they just show up and start playing 'cause every guy had like a strain or terrorist kind of pull. And I'm like, you know this is a billion dollar multi billion dollar sports franchise players are paid. Millions of dollars is a lot of money like you know, what invested this sort of stretching device before the game. Charter plane. They're flying depend cities, anything. So. He told me, you know, after all these injuries where the they, you know, rivaling the nineteen ninety eight Anki in terms of winning series and and, and winning streaks. That'd be like, wow, really. With all these guys, you know, or shelhah and LeMay, who it's incredible babe in Kendra Morales Clint Frazier crazy. Did you hear the announcement earlier today that they're just building towards is how faint plaque now? They're building. Torres favor as well. They should. Yeah. Yeah. They're gonna, you know, if he's gonna get a plaque and LeMay, who really might have to give statue center, Sheller probably should have, you know, some sort of monument to really incredible. I mean in their shallow, not just offense. But defensively and I don't mean to throw port Miguel into hard to the bus in last year. I made fun of bunch of people Twitter when he was in the rookie of the year battle, because they were saying is user UCR stats weren't that great defensive metrics. What a difference to see a guy that actually accompanied defender. Like or shell. It makes it look easy. It's incredible. And that's been a huge part for them because last year they kick the ball around a lot this year. They have just a lockdown infield. So it helps pitching out a great deal, but it's been awesome all around. More these days. Do you take back? Any of the mean-spirited comments? You've made on Twitter and on this podcast about Twitter poll, the other day is that are they winning because of Buner inspite of Boone. And I couldn't punch in spite of boo quickly enough on my phone. I just think I just think I mean, he and he doesn't really manage the team. So I, I shouldn't even really pick on him because I think he's an idiot. I, I mean, the team is run by the department and his job is just to be like, the, you know, the face of the team, and be a media guy. But the one thing the one thing I will say is that I've read online that the players love him. That he's like a great clubhouse guy already made everybody uncomfortable. But Boone is like their buddy. And like you know they love him. So I, I really much as I dislike him. I think he's over his head. I really can't argue with the results certainly and if the players are happy in their playing. Well, then I'm happy. So did you find that new job for Luis Severino? Or stick with baseball. A couple more years. Well, we'll see you know he's going to be like a big picture at the deadline is gonna come back. He's been there ace. And you know. In the major leagues. Getting a big picture. Last year. He kinda you know, he got tired towards the end and faded. But the share he's gonna be fresh. It's a big addition for us trying to harsh my mellow here. It's not gonna work. We're, we're in cloud nine baby. Are they gonna spend money for deadline people? Or is it still a strict budget from from time rare? Well, no, I think they're going to go out and win. But I mean they're going to have to spend money if they got one more 'cause they use one more starter. Definitely. But you know, I don't know who's going to be available. I mean I listen to listen to the bad dog pretty much every day, serious my way home. And he's a big Francisco Giants guy. So he's been trying to hype up a Bumgarner trade, but I, I really don't want any part of him because I think he's kinda shot over the hill, and I think he's a free agent. So I really, you know, mad dogs like we'll take Frazier and hard for Bumgarner. I, I wouldn't do that. You get pitcher exactly. I mean, give me Frasure ADA. The guy would I mean if the nationals ever fell out of it traded shares her? But I think he's still under contract for a couple of years and Yankees think on a lot of money. You know, I'd be intrigued by that because that's the guy that's pissing the American League before Bumgarner where he's making. He's always been a nationally pitcher. And I think he's over the hill. So I'm not sure I know he's been a big game postseason pitcher. But I don't know he's really do it for me. I don't know who like the big starter is it's gonna be available with the FBI and the mix for that. Yeah. 'cause they have, you know, I think their farm system is still decent. They have prospects. They're infield hasn't embarrassment of riches now. So if somebody wanted, I mean, I can't believe I'm saying this, but like you know, I would part with Enda Har I know team would have to take them off in Europe after surgery. But he's still a competent player who was who's a great hitter. We have a couple of we have a couple starters for in Boston instructing trading for some expensive starters. We have name, right? We'll go get price or sales. That's so much for sale as intrigue at all. Now, I'm like, I'm like Duke and rocky when he we used to do in college, the Iraqi would apologized a part of me. Died two. Now you're the one that's based I give speech to GIO shelhah when into Harkat her two part of me died now you're the one and now I don't even remember ours name. So I the love and love you. Enjoy the Antis are surprisingly good like this. But you also love more than anything when it's disappointing Red Sox season would've you. Right. So it's really been. This is been like my dream season so far. Absolutely. I couldn't be happier. What have you enjoyed from a media coverage slash fan? Message board perspective from the Red Sox side. The most he didn't know me well, so I have been on Twitter, looking at various Red Sox writers and, and reading the comments and the number of people who want core afire really surprise, surprise me. But it did surprise me. Yeah, this is. Games last year won the World Series like everything he did was right. And now they're going to run them out of town because they're five hundred at the moment, so funny. It's been a perfect storm of predictable things the year after you win the World Series when it just like one of those seasons eight my favorite is, when people blame the White House thing. Divided divided the, the lacquer Verda. Whatever the hell there say that was good one. Yeah. I have seen that, too, that it divided the locker room because core would go to the White House, or whatever like players are like, oh my God. Wouldn't go to the White House like on. That's the most. Core was going to the White House, whoever thought that was happening in a million years. I ever that was never had thing is when Trump when they Red Sox were hot for a minute there. They're playing video contains and they got hot Trump tweeted out. They had gotten super hot after they went to the White House to the White House. Now is like the opposite of this. I curse. Funny. I saw that. He. They he he talked to. He mentioned, Steve Pearce. Did you see that part when he, he said something like Steve Kerr's big part of last year's team off to a little bit of a slow start this year? But I'm sure it'll come round hitting like one hundred it was. It was just classic. Yeah. It was it was a little awkward that basically all the white guys went or most of the white guys. And then nobody. But on the other hand, like I don't know the really think like this was attorney point. This wasn't like the Celtics where, you know, they had to have fifteen team meetings and Kyrie Irving JR. Is being moody and being a different Brian every week. Like I just think they move onto the next thing. They're baseball players. The now racket sets sight, the notion that any player cares who went to the White House, didn't go to the White House. I mean it's ridiculous. There's no way that's true. I have seen that some of the messages. And I totally forgot about that core thing my favorite. The core thing is layers, though, 'cause that was like the best managing performance ever seen in my life last year. And everybody loved him and he was a ten Atta ten. And they got rid of John Farrell because he was it. Oh he he was like a chorus like a boat or all the players. Love him breath of fresh air. Clubhouse and last year, they couldn't lose set the world on fire hundred eight wins. And you know this year there little slow out of the gate and you're gonna run core out of town, mention that your cities, one fifty hundred fifteen hundred champions here. So the fact that you're the Red Sox are five hundred. We take a breath on that one. Counting Liverpool as a Boston title, right? Well, that's right. I forgot John Henry owns them, right? We, we have a couple of Liverpool fans at the ringer, including Chris Ryan longtime grantland ringer. You know, one of our main inner circle, people who is a diehard Liverpool people. So I was I was doing some we did it stuff with him. He I think he was getting mad. Another Boston title for us, and he's Philadelphia guy, he doesn't want him it that Boston owner brought his Liverpool team title. But I mean what a run for John, Henry really time when the World Series. And you win the Champions League back to back. That's pretty. That's his wife's thing. She looked. She loves being like the Queen of Liverpool. I believe right, right? They have. So they had those two, I guess the loss of the Boston Globe. Somehow is it even at one hundred thousand subscribers anymore, but it goes in that high either doesn't seem like a great plan for that one articles behind a paywall on me out after the past couple of games. I wanted to go read, like some re red sock articles comments, and they wanted me to pay for it. They should do. No. They should do targeted Instagram campaigns for Yankee fans. Read our sad. Yankee coverage right after percent paid a couple of bucks to read that if I could just read the press. Red Sox coverage, I would pay a couple of bucks for that. So, Johnny, no. I won't. Lot of bachelor things have happened believe me, I'm well aware aware, I will say Denver's pension. I we love this Twitter account. It's at Red Sox stats, the guy knows more about the Red Sox than he should probably just run the Red Sox. And he loves Denver's more than I love both my kids, and he's right. Evers is like an unbelievable to a player now. He's really great. And, and they have good bats. I'm not I'm not ready to give up on the season before you got Mukhi got JD Martinez. I mean you know sale the speed on the other night but he did have ten strikeouts. He's, he's looked better. You know. You know, back and still do price can still do price things. You'll you'll figure out a bullpen. You guys go make a move and get a closer. They'll be some team that's out of it. They'll give you a closer and that, that will turn things around. Shane green from the taggers ashamed teams that are awful. You don't need a closer. So that's the easiest thing in the world to go. Get sheen green at one point this year last week, the taggers had twenty one wins in seventeen saves. Right as they has an even possible. It seems conceivable before we go should mention first of all, did you see India's junior last night? That was your kind of content. No. I did not. I saw that this morning. And I couldn't believe the pictures of the heavyweights. Looks barely that guy. Far Rupe brawler that he just like wanna streetfight, and it was like real life rocky like that guy out like you fight the champ for, you know, just for show and he, he won the whole thing crazy. But before we came out in a Knicks jersey at the press conference big win for the Knicks fans fluently turnaround for those wacky kids. Before we go wanted to mention the last time you ran. I think we were talking about if Biden ran, what Trump's nickname would be. And I think we settled on groping Joe did. And what did he what did Trump said on? Well, it's, it's funny east the first the first one that he came out with or it seems like the first ration- was sleepy creepy. Joe, we were like, wow, we should have we have come up with that. If we'd brainstorm ten more minutes, but lately in his lately, and his tweezers just sleepy Joe he's gotten rid of the creepy. And I mean I don't know. Joe Biden, you know, he's seventy six or whatever. But, you know, one Trump is no spring chicken to buy never comes across particularly like sleepy to me like or lazy. You know, he's, he's if anything he's like two boys, dress. So I don't quite understand the sleepy thing. I think that's a play on that he's older. But he's seventy six Trump is seventy four right? Right. That quite sure what the logic is there. But he seems to be going with sleepy Joe his advisors told him, maybe dumped the creepy since you're not exactly Mother Theresa, but perhaps, perhaps I don't they must have focused group that and maybe the people didn't like creepy, but they like they like sleepy. I really I don't know. I think they need to go back to the drawing board on that one. I think what you really want to hammer home is the creepy thing like sleepy creepy. You know, I mean, I think you're grasping grasping at straws, but the sleepy alone, I don't think is doing it. Sleepy joe. I really thought we struggle with groping Joe. I thought. Sure you do that one, it almost rhymes just work. Somehow Joe it car wash or like a bar that you'd go to north Hollywood. Are you? We're going to grow. Joe's today. I don't know how he didn't go for that one. I don't know. It's back to the John Fresca. Twenty twenty so there's time to rework that team. I guess so what have you most enjoyed about the twenty democratic nominees? We have. It's hard to pick just one one thing it's crazy. How many people are running at some of these people that get into it, and I mean, I guess you sort of run for president at this in this day and age because it raises your profile, and you can get, you know, after you out you're getting Khris, speaking fees here names out there, whatever, but I mean some of these people, I mean, I've literally seen like Facebook or Twitter quiz, where it's like, who, which of these people are real presidential candidates. And I'm pretty attuned to politics. I read some of these names really that person's running for president. I couldn't pick that guy or that woman out of a lineup. Crazy. And, you know, the Baidoa Rourke from Texas who lost Ted Cruz, and he was, you know, anointed the next Bobby Kennedy by adoring media, and boy, he fell off the earth quicker than anybody in history mankind. I mean he he was at these lofty heights and everybody loved him. And he had like the your former colleague, the pod broS in his back pocket, and, you know, Hollywood and everything else, and they just falling apart. This guy who's the mayor of south bend, Indiana. Pook p Buddha, ch-, I guess that he's stolen all of his thunder and really come out of nowhere. You know he he's taking the beta lane. I would never know if it's Beato or beta beta. He was a little like Anthony Joshua. He looked good on paper. But when he took a couple of hats, he just went down. And his problem is he doesn't really have any rationale for running now. He's kind of having he's already, which, and he's just sort of, like trying to find himself like, he's, he's had like fifty different careers. Right. And, you know, he comes from some money father was in politics and kind of the family business, but he has no real like, you know, people ask him questions. And he's like, well, that's a good question. We're going to think about that. Listen to you about that, like, well, no no, I'm not ready for president, you are asking the question, you know, so, I think people saw through that. We're like, yeah, there's no there there. So I kinda fallen off a couple of people that I work with, who I won't name, but we had been talking about him during the brief apex, and it was a lot of like what's going on here? He's not saying anything. Right. It's a lot of I was born for this. Okay. What he stands for. Which you play. What's your experience experience experience to beget? I lost a Ted Cruz is born for this. Exactly. Yeah. Denied it's like you know, the media everybody loved him 'cause you're running against Ted Cruz because even like Republicans don't like Ted Cruz. So you know you run into crews found to look good, especially to the liberal media, there's gonna love you. But now when you're running against, you know, nineteen or twenty or whatever other liberals are running the media is not going to be in love with you. I like and he just got his the mayor of New York City built the Blasio. Early has like a ten percent approval rating, and he's like I'm gonna run for president and people said that. Religiously his advisors said off the record or not off the record, but anonymously rather we're like he's basically doing it because he's bored is New York. That's good. It's like if there was a higher job than owner of special a professional sports team where you owned all the teams and James Dolan's, like good news at throwing the hat in the ring people feel like what? You're going to be the chief owner you can't even. Like Jim Dolan was beheaded for Commissioner, but it'd be a or something. No, no elected position. I love mayor Pete just for, for like how he how he basically orchestrated that five week run there, where he just did all the perfect media heads. He sounded confident did his thing nobody else really was able to gain any momentum. I also I saw the aside the AFC documentary. Netflix ex. Yeah. That was a derisive. Yeah. It was Jesus. She's interesting. I mean, she's ten years away from whatever, but, you know, her passion and, and her story and all that was really compelling. And I do think there's a, a spot for some young person who's eight ten years older than her to make an impact like that, because that made people ready for it. But unfortunately, that person is that exist. And no she she she's very good. She's very good. Paul titian. She's really good politician. That's a perfect way to politician. Her story is pretty good that she was basically up. It was a bartender. The guy who had that seat in congress, with entrenched and had been there for a long time. And nobody ever figured he was gonna lose certainly not to this woman that really nobody had heard of. So for her to do it the old fashioned way with shoe leather, and, you know, knocking on doors and saying, like what's this guy done lately, and everything else, that, that part is impressive? I mean you know that's a district where you could run my dog. As democrat and he's going to win if he wins the primary, 'cause, you know, you could run Jesus Christ himself as a Republican, and he's gonna get like five percent of the votes over a good district, but the hard part for her was winning primary, and I guess, the guy, the guy, she beat not only had been there for like one hundred years or whatever. But he think he was like up in the leadership ranks and the Democrats, and could have been the number two or number two three number three or four guy of the house. So we had a lot of juice, and low seniority. So to beat him coming out of nowhere is impressive, you know, her ideas and such or maybe less. So, but yeah, she's sternly seems to be the, you know, people seem to like her. But that way. Presidential candidate that I was excited about. I'll tell you what I'll say, I'll save you a lot of time you can pretend she is president and you can just send may ninety percent of your paycheck. You have my address, to send it in the mail or direct deposit. Either way save time. That's good. Ten ninety. I'll send you. I'll send you my kid's college bills. They can just pick that up for that uncle Bill kid. He wants to for today friends of it. We're gonna help. President assay. I joined the documentary that thinks she is. So I should I should be wait by the mail told me. Told me really sleepy Joe. I'm gonna get so many angry tweets about this from angry socialist. It'd be fantastic. Burn, my going to be here with pitchforks, torches great. We're having fun. Absolutely. It's a fun day. It's a fun pie. Tanks are good. The Red Sox are mediocre. Everything's right with the world. Do you, do you think there's any chance anything happens with Trump? Did you follow this impeachment stuff and all the, the they'd be I think Democrats be crazy to peach him. I mean, you know, I understand, for to, you know, I remember, you know, hoping that Monica Lewinsky thing was going to bring Bill Clinton down. And, you know, waiting with baited breath for that to happen for him to resign and he didn't. So I understand this appointment and waiting for the Miller report to say list all these crimes, and everything else. But when he essentially came out, I know it's open to interpretation and everything else. But when he found no influence, essentially of what the Trump campaign and Russia now not not to say that they didn't try, but I don't I think there were two EPs to really do anything illegal, you can get into the obstruction and everything else. But in terms of the collusion, it was pretty clear that there's nothing where they were directly tied to any rush. Shen involvement in anything. So I understand Democrats disappointment thinking, well this they were gonna have the smoking gun, and this is going to be all she wrote for the Trump presidency, but I think they would be crazy to impeach him. Migos as as happened with Clinton, it made it more popular because impeachment really should be only for, like, really serious crimes where it's obvious that everybody is on board with this guy. Or this woman has has to go because they're criminal to do it, because it looks like you're overturning an election. And I think it just people that are sort of in the middle maybe don't love Trump, but are happy with the economy or something. I think that Jim up and it's like, why are the Democrats trying to overturn election, when there's going to be one in, you know, fifteen months, I have afraid, I think it'd be crazy to do it, but I think Nancy Pelosi's under a lot of pressure. Because her. Certainly there constituency wants to is gung ho for impeachment. And they're trying to gin everybody up to do that. And I think a lot of the members want to do that. But I think that would backfire on them. Trump is plus one twenty two in the presidency. Joe Biden is three to one. Bernie sanders. Bernie Sanders is twelve to one Elizabeth. Warren is fifty new one mayor. Pedes Twenty-one camera. Harris's thirty two. One injury. Yang is fifty to one fee and beta betas born to do this at fifty five to one. If you wanted to put some money down on, on somebody that I would not count out I go for it. Go for camera Harris at thirty two one really. Yeah. Case. Well, I think I think the, the vanguard of the Democratic Party does not wanna nominate a white male, if they can help it, I think she's from California, which is always huge in terms of Hollywood money, and, you know, California's a humongous constituency for the Democratic Party. So I think that helps her, I think being female helps her female of color helps her, I think in their heart of hearts that most Democrats would like to vote for now. I don't know the problem for her is I don't know how she's going to do in Iowa and New Hampshire probably Bernie Sanders territory because he's from Vermont. So but she can do well in a place like stuff Carolina, where there's a large African American vote and she went South Carolina, and she becomes a top tier candidate. I think she's got a good shot outside shot. I think this more money would be on Biden. But if you wanted to make a, you know, kind of crazy bet, but. Shop at go for we know will know when started taking her seriously when Trump starts doing drive-bys honor, taking like came. Like be careful with that, because, you know, she's a African American woman, you know, I mean I, I don't know. Maybe doesn't he got does God knows what he's he does ready got by with somehow. Trump going, maybe I should hold back this time. We'll be hold by fire. That's true. That's what I learned on the past four years. Common sense and logic says, maybe I should tone it down a little here. Yeah. Think I even try to predict this because, you know, I, I went around for two years, there's no way Trump's nomination that there's no way he's going to win. And, and here we are. So what does anybody know really? What do you think I'm trying to think what his, who would be something playing off toward camera? Yeah. I doubt now to think about this. If you go with crazy a lot. Crazy cable. Whatever like you know, he likes the crazy. Everybody's always crazy. Everybody's always dumb lazy or crazy and his vernacular. I wonder if he would what about can't do a camera. Because he likes like the kind of awkward force of a nickname is, as we'll have to. For can't do a camel. Well, let's say on the edge of my seat, Johnny. You know, it's going to be on the debates are going to start soon. And that will be fun because, you know, he's going to be watching it like live, tweeting it, essentially, so he'll have, like a running diary of, on Twitter, as he watches the debates, and just the dynamics of the debate will be interesting. So that might be one of those where like a half hour before the debates the wifi goes down in the White House. Sorry, Mr President, the life is down. No signals can come out of the what we're trying to figure it out the five G is gone down, if they have a so Night Live goat, boy, like electric prod. That's when they're going to have to break it out. All right. Johnny. Pleasure and talk to you over the summer here. Big take care. Thanks to dissolve on man. You missed out on design this week. You don't have to miss out for much longer. DA's E, N dot com, sign up subscribe, and you can get the Joshua res rematch later this year. You didn't watch the replay. It's on there. It's on in. Thanks to SimpliSafe remember easy protection. No contracts. 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Could Golden State Make a Run at Devin Booker?

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32:54 min | 5 months ago

Could Golden State Make a Run at Devin Booker?

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It feels like it's been forever I know it's only probably. Well, actually, it's probably been over a month now because I had my little hiatus. And then You know we did we haven't really talked to the pot since then how you been are you are you keeping up? This might be shocking man, but absolutely, nothing has changed at all. Since the last time I spoke I am still stuck in a pandemic The most optimistic positive thing. I can tell you connor is the between then and now neither my wife or my child has tried to stab me. We're all good. You know even though we're in these close, I'm fine. So good. Then have you been, I've been good man. You know. I guess I just got off a big break last week. Got To travel. They went on a red trip. social distancing I was I was careful I got tested yesterday, not have to go. I hear you can hear my concern and my resentment by the way. When it, right? So anyone that I went on a vacation. Judge we so hard. Yes. Right now, I'm judging you literally as we speak I'm and I'm a little nervous. You know I'm glad you. The peasants in because I'm pretty certain. Even though this is over the phone, I, would not have done this with you traveling around the Nice. Yeah No I appreciate that I appreciate judge understand it, which is why I? Get. Really defensive whenever it comes out. But you know I was thinking this week. There there's not a lot going on with the warriors We have. We have the lottery coming up on August twentieth. So I'm Kinda getting prepared for that, which would be really interesting to see what selection they ended up getting. Have a story coming out tomorrow. Kind of breaking down honestly why this lottery is probably not as important as you. As you think, the lottery tends to matter a lot when there's a clear cut number one, right? When there's like a Zion Williamson or ten Dunkin the when there's not that guy and it's kind of it's kind of murky at the top. The lottery matters much last if you look at. Past Drass where there hasn't been that clear cut number, one guy, the best player taking dot com number one, it tends to come sometimes lottery sitcoms outside the top ten a good example of that being the nineteen, ninety, five drafts. With the warriors, they got the number. One big jumped up from the five slot number. One Joe Smith Draft Joe Smith. When they could have gotten. Jerry Stackhouse or Wallace or. You know a guy name. Kevin Garnett. Trying to depress me right at the beginning of this I, guess it's not enough to tell me, hey, don't to the draft, and also let's relive some of the worst deficts that the warriors have had their past. My point being that if the warriors get don't get the number one pick. On August twenty at don't freak out, it's not a days Mary a high it actually my end up being a good thing because if they got the number one big, they'd probably end up taking Anthony Edwards and who's to say that Anthony Edwards isn't going to be another Joe Smith guy where he's just like a good role player for a long time and the guys drafted after him end up being better than him. So that's that's my point. It's really more of a positive thing than a negative thing given that stories are likely not going to get. Starting the League. They only have a fourteen percent chance that the number one pick and I think people forget that they actually have forty eight percent chance at the number five picks. So we really should be talking more about what they do at number five, then what they do at number one. If, you were telling me the optimism. I can pull some. This statement is one. They're probably not going to get the number one pick, but hey, bram. Good. If they did, they would fuck it up. anyways. I'm not sure I'm feeling that optimistic man I understand where you're coming from I Gotcha, but I am in full blown the stylistic mode. You know another the warriors are not only back in the draft, but at the top of the draft I'm partying like it's nineteen, ninety five. You know I've I've decided that like Oh topic and it's GonNa shift everything. So don't top my dream and it's the only bubble. The warriors are part of right now I need it. Okay Fair. Enough Fair enough. so. We got a bunch of questions. I put out the call this morning for for mailbag questions and as always. got some repetitive ones and not judging the the reader listener for that. I? mean. There's not a lot going on. So we're GONNA, get some repeat questions. So the ones that I picked or ones that we have an answer before either written or verbal form the first one I think you'll get a kick out of it because there's a little bit of back story here and this is from. Date seven to. Wait. Is. Booker. Has it seven? Okay. Quite the green. Green. was fined fifty thousand dollars for tampering. for weight, nearly throwing the sons under the bus during his guest appearance last week on on Tlc, and he basically said that there needs to be in a better situation and was criticizing the sun and. Organization, which is not the first time. He's done that you remember back in November I. Believe it was when Marquees Chris. Breakthrough for the warriors. rant criticising how the sons handled. Markeith says development. So I think there were some some people who? Wondered is draining on trying to. Get. Devon, Booker with the warriors and if so is that walkable? They asked him that literally on TNT right I, mean after he said what he said about Booker I. Don't. I might have been EJ could've been any but somebody asked him on. Hey, are you tampering and dream on the Draymond said, maybe you know and incidentally I think that dream on has been just fired just been absolutely phenomenal and that halftime show and we're getting a glimpse of how good he's going to be in studio when he never we make that move. But as far as the warriors have a shot booker. I can't imagine how the hell the warriors could make the numbers work and even than that when I first heard it, my first thing was looking at Crewe, Booker's representation. West. Because my assumption and maybe this is more telling about how drain on now than anything else. But my assumption was that dream on was recruiting, but he was recruited clutch sports. He wasn't recruiting for the warriors and was just throwing out how phenomenal thought he is and was getting some dealers south. But let me turn to you. Is there I mean just monetarily? Is there any actual scenario where the worst could make a move for Devon Booker? Well, you make a good point. Forgot Booker was a clutch guy so that that makes total sense So is your clutch 'cause I ended up not looking, but if Anyone. So I assume he was not, you're safe. Yeah. No, I don't I. My assumption was that he is not Scott. You know in terms of the warriors pursuit of him, it, it doesn't make sense He's. He's a guy who signed a Max, deal a couple a couple of years ago. He's under contract three, twenty, twenty, three, twenty, four, making you know, well, over thirty, million a year during that span and he's he's proven to be shooting guard, and obviously the warriors have Klay Thompson, and Klay Thompson. Maybe isn't quite the offensive player that Devon Booker is, but he's much better defensively, then Devon Booker, and so I I don't think you're trying to be paying. Thirty. Million dollars to six man or a score off the bench. That's not that wouldn't be fair. and given how much money the warriors have tied up in. Steph Clay Draymond and Inter wiggins. It just would not make sense to go after a guy like Devon Booker right now i. Think, he's under rated I. Think he's yeah. I'd love to see him in a winning situation I. Don't think the The sun's problems are because. I think there despite him and you know I'd love to see that. But I don't think it's going to happen with the warriors. Course. Devon Booker, the hell of a player undefeated in in the bubble I think and I'd loved to see Golden State AMAC's player, but we don't need one in the back court. We're pretty sick there. Right. But a follow up what I was suggesting before and I've done a little bit of research, the eight seconds. Spoken so Devon Booker is not currently a clutch guy, but his old age Leon rose is has now left right because he is with Nick. What this makes me think is exactly what I was hinting at when you ask me what Draymond was doing if if Devon Booker right now is essentially between ages. Right? We on Rosas with ca on roses left of the mix and draymond green is going to national television talking about what an eight Helluva of a player Devon Booker is. Again, I, think he's recruiting them for clutch. I don't think he's recruiting for the Warriors So we'll see we'll see how it plays out, but that was my interpretation. Yeah, which is very on brand for and. He's the guy who knows what he's doing. He knows the power of the media car voice and He's also very loyal to whoever he's with. So stand these classes. It was all in on what they were about totally makes sense Our next question comes from why an re and there's three years. So that's why in our. With the worst Eric, Paschal, Markey's Chris or Jordan Pool. What would they want in return? I'm Gonna I'll let you start at answer. Yeah, Let me let me answer it first with the question. Do you get nervous when you were reading the names of the people who you the question whenever I do mail bag pod? I always feel like I'm GonNa, screw it up especially if it's a scenario, there's I have no idea what to say, I, mean I. Yeah. I like. It's not a name that actually cool. Exactly. That's exactly right. I've given up on like dynamite questions before. Cut and then I got nervous about reading today. At Eight but the to to your question, would they consider trading any of those guys are, of course I'm sure they would in a heartbeat. It's just a matter of what they get in return and all admit kind of stocking twitter before they and I saw this question in the way I remember reading was if they would trade them because they trade him for another pick in the draft of what they were looking for if if that's the. The question I don't think the warriors are looking to add another selection in the draft is universally considered to be a week. So I'm sure I. Think they're they're Yours are open. They're willing to feel any offers that came way of what we're talking about is draft selections. I. Think. Probably, hopefully, Myers. In the warriors are all set there and would prefer this. You know these guys Chris Pascal their own young talent as opposed to more from the strap. Class. This is the next question's from at with Lizzy. I can I bother you with a question before we get to the to the next one because I'm GonNa, get it and I don't have any paper to write it down But I was having this conversation last night over drinks on the zoom in and I was asking was, do you think that there are any warriors? Any of the players? Who if they were given truth serum? They would honestly tell you. They wish they were in the bubble right now. there. I think there's a couple of young guys who probably wish there were there like someone like Michael. Moulder, you know who only got? Two Games with the warriors probably wishes he was there just like experienced the NBA that. Yes but I really think it's it's limited to like. You know the Michael Moulders and the kyw Bowman's in Hawaii just Kinda Anderson it because I think I, don't think dream on clay or staffer thinking twice about wanting to be the bubble I. DON'T I. Don't think that even crosses thereby plays in somewhere right now, his nose up against the Orlando Sports Complex just wishing to be letting. Yeah. Yeah. I. I don't think that's happening. so. Then the next question, as I alluded to a minute ago from Doug Lizzy. What is your best estimate of what the draft board the warriors is looking like now? I have spent a Lotta time in recent months. because. There's really just not a lot else going on trying to understand what the worst thoughts are about the draft who they like. They don't like all those things and I. I. Think I have a pretty good. Idea at this point what I will say is that. Their draft board is not gonNA. Look like a lot of other teams trap works They are high on certain guys. Other teams aren't I on, they're not high on. Guys that are considered definite lottery picks and potential top five picks They're thinking for themselves on this one, which which I think is good in the draft. That is so fluid I when when when you have a draft this fluid I, think it's really important to not get overly caught up in like where. Guys are in graphs and things like that. You know Are you thinking on its research and figure out who you like. You know example of what I'm talking about is really really really likes to pay out of Villanova and I know you. You've probably heard a lot about that. I know it's been written by other writers as well. and there's a reason because everyone that I'm talking to is like super high on it. I mean I, know there were multiple. People in the warriors for an office, have him as a top five grade, which is crazy considering that he is widely considered a mid to late first round. So. He does a lot of people don't think he has. super high ceiling He they see him more as a role guy at the next level. The warriors think that he is above average defender. WHO's very efficient offensively, who comes from winning program Nova Kinda has that same type of pedigree aired Pasco had come in for a one Helpful, and they think he has a highest a lot of other people do. So I don't think they're gonNA. He's the top I pick on him but. Down situation where they traded down, you know like the way lottery or mid first round. I would think it would be for him. You know 'cause they, they probably feel confident that they could get him in that ranch in terms. Other I mean it's not going to change like if it will fast forward when they drop actually happened. But if you had to put them money today literally today and let's make it something that matters to rent payment. If you had been a rent payment today, do you think the warriors will use whatever pick they end up with in the first round or will they traded? I? MEAN TRADING DOWN I? Do think that they're gonNA end up using it I've been saying that for a while now just because. I'm not confident that they're gonNA get an offer. Like. For the for the nick and maybe. Carrying it with the TV that traded player exception. That's GONNA. Be Enticing Enough I. Think it would need to be. knock your socks off type offer because they are legitimately really high on. Several guys, I? Think. They're going to have a good shot at getting in the. They they like Anthony. Edwards they really like any out. Of Israel. They're like tires. Halliburton. At Iowa state. I think that they're going to be able to get at least one of those guys. No matter regardless of whether, they're drafting number one or number five. So I, I think they're gonNA hold onto the pick and I think they're going to end up using the TV on its own to get someone But that's that's just my hunch based on conversations I've had with people on the front. Office a couple of things about their their draft board, and I, know I've said this a million times, they're not super high lamelo ball not. Super High James Watson A lot of people have got so many questions about are they going to draft teams, Wiseman? They needed center. especially. Workout video. If I guess whoever we're regardless of whether picking top five, they're gonNA take. You asked me to wear just any. However And then there's a couple other possibilities like they could take highs occur You know they could take You know. Really. Those are the main guys I'm here. I don't know. So that's that's. The basic takeaway by understanding of their their draft board and how it's coming together. We've had a couple of college Draft Scouts on the last few months, and you didn't leave out one name that we've heard. I'm hearing the decades since you are the only place, I am connor as long as they don't draft somebody like, Joe, Smith or social clip. I've on Boardman and we said this a few months ago you and I did. Did a lot of fun It was the warriors draft foibles in the past. He went through some of the worst draft picks of all time, and if I'm remembering it right, we ended on this really optimistic note and the idea was for decades man, you couldn't trust the wears front office. There was a star you were. They wouldn't find him, and now you don't shoe's on the other foot. These guys have really developed our trust. Paschal, if you're another organization now and the warriors move ahead of your by your second round pick, you should be really nervous about that because they have a track record of sitting on those Texas, which is a long way of saying I. Don't know who they're gonNa Take I. Don't know where they're going to take one, but I trust this team and this front office to do the right thing which says a lot given how bad this franchise. We'll have more of my conversation with Bram, Hilton right after the break. Hannah fans. Dak Prescott here WANNA. Spend Sunday afternoons with your favorite teams and players switch to DIRECTTV and get. NFL Sunday ticket included at no extra cost. I'm talking every live out of market game. Every Sunday, no matter where you live. So switch to direct TV to get the twenty twenty NFL Sunday ticket season included at no extra cost call one, eight, hundred, DIRECTTV market games only requires choice package or above minimum seventy, four, ninety, nine a month before discounts prices higher in second year resorts of nine, ninety, nine, a month applies twenty four month agreement activation, other fees, terms, and restrictions apply. So. The next question is from absolute auto or one. If the NBA, it's not allowing Ta's or some other sort of through practice with elite eight before all teams return for training camp. Later, this year, how do you think that would impact the warriors? LEXI's. Question because it's looking more and more likely like there isn't going to be any sort of second bubble or maybe not even. A mini cab, which is kinda crazy to me because the war's going eight or nine months without any sort of. Any sort of. Groups back this, which is, which is God for a professional basketball player Well. What kind of impact? Do you think that would have? Big. One. So I have pretty high aspirations for next year and I think that's where fans are being honest truth for most of. I. One of the things that's really gonNA matter depend on how far they go see right, and so wins during the regular season are going to mean something and the problem with the warriors they're gonNA talent, but they're melting two different teams. In some ways they're moving three. They've got the chargers they're bringing back, Stephan, clay have not played with one another since Claes Injury Steph hasn't played with most of these young guys and wiggins has not played with Steph clay ever. So they literally the core group isn't ready to necessarily play with one another, and then there's this other team, the young guys, the moulders, Paschal is the lease. Lease that you know there's there's all these other players who spent a full or pseudo season this year playing with one another. But they don't know how it works with the big dogs, and if we don't have any off-season opportunities for them to jail and they have to use the beginning of the season to figure that out, well, they're not going to get some of those winds connor and we end this where I started it. They're not getting wins early on, it's going to affect their seating, their CD's affected. It's find impact how far they go. So I do I think it is definitely going to have a negative impact. One of the things I like about basketball is it's similarity that music is an I made if I took five. Musicians I'm talking like world. Class. Fast. After The musicians and put them on stage for the first time together. Even though their individual talent is unbelievable, there's no that they're going to be a good band together. These individual skill sets have to Mesh have to play within one another and make a song together. Same thing for basketball I like baseball. You can take these guys with incredible talent, but if they don't know how to play with one, another, those talents are going to be wasted I think wears you're going to be able to to put these together. But every opportunity they have to develop that chemistry is an important one, and if some of them are being taken away. Others. So the next question comes from. Case underscore seven fifteen. How many a lot of using that one two or no John? Moving onto the question. Free, free agents, the team should go after now. I, could. I could interpret this by just who are the best three free agents and things. Obviously, she'd go after the best guys right like Brandon whatever right Emily question is think about it. The the warriors only have a mid-level exception, which is about six million dollars at their disposal and then minimum contracts. And you know we've talked in the past about. Guys who they're going to try to pursue and I. I definitely think that in free agency they're going to sign a center whether that's on the mid level or minimum that's up in there. I. THINK THEY'RE GONNA option. A. is believe Marcus Soul, and I think that's relatively realistic. We've talked about that. We've also talked about the potential going after Serge Ibaka or. That so I'm GonNa, give you several other names that I think would make sense, and maybe it'd be good backup options for the warriors Sound whiteside. I, know he's kind of a polarizing guy, really live up to his contract Miami He's a lot of people consider him an empty sack guy. But I think he's he's settled into a nice role this season before he got injured with Portland He was effective You know he's a soccer which. With The keys and those other guys gone now. You don't have that true like go to shop locker and I think he could be that anything run the floor. So I think that'd be really nice option in that center rotation could start for you if you needed to. Come up with that. I think they could probably get him at the mid level. So I. I. Love. I love. This. I'm surprised that we have not heard that name a lot It speaks to me not only because of his skill set because of where he is in his career, he's a super fancy development. You know what you might be looking for a way to kind of resurrect the league's perception of him, and the fastest way to do that is to come here and not have to be a number one option, and then win without skills I really like that idea. Yeah and then You know looking at some other needs that the warriors I think they need. I think it'd be nice if they had. A real defensive oriented wing, you know a guy who can come in and man up with the top score of another team because the whereas have that they have Klay Thompson? WHO's good. Defensively, he obviously shoulders a lot offensively. But since object left, they haven't really had that like go to stop her guy along wing and so to interesting options to kind of fill that void. Rogerson. And Stab. Oh stuff, alosha Now, under Rogerson is coming back from a huge career defining injury where I think he's missed two seasons now, two plus seasons now would that Would that knee injury? But by all accounts, he's making progress and I'm guessing that the market value for him is going to be pretty low given the fact that he hasn't played in. So long But when he was healthy with Oklahoma City, he was one of the best permanent in the NBA. All Defensive Guy, one year and I, think it's worth taking a flyer on him. Get Him sadder close to a minimum contract. I think it I. Think he could play He. He brings almost nothing offensively. But. But he he's in high scoring lineups. He can be really effective. You know guarding the James Harden's of the world assuming that he's healthy. Now, if he's still struggling with that me, then you know you probably doesn't have the lateral movement and that sorta expensive in back that used to have. But I think it's worth taking a flyer on especially if you can get him close to the the minimum, another Guy Szabo. Sup Alosha, you know he's he's willing to thirties at this point, but at. At his best he is a defensive oriented wings, who can who can stop guys WanNa want and I think i. think he'd be a much appreciated that this into the warriors or you just as a guy, who can you know not worry too much about offense and really get thirty on defense, and then another guy that I find interesting and I think the warriors. Could could afford as Reggie Jackson He's backup point guard with the clippers. He's been a more of a go to option in the past. The Pistons. He can fill it up when you need him to. He's also a guard in the sense that he can find open the floor and so I think the warriors don't have a real backup point guard right now, it'd be nice to have another ball handler. Also be nice to have a guy who can be kind of a go to option coming off the bench and I think be that so I think ready decker another name to throughout the. GotTa fills out the second unit scoring with place. Awesome. That's how they're going to do the out placement. It's not what makes sense to me. Cup other names fits in that second category defensive wings I've read a little bit about Jae crowder. I've heard can't bays Moore's return read about Trevor Aretha as an targets But the ones that speak the most to me, the ones you've already said one old one, new mark soul and now Hassan whiteside. I'm desperately going to steal that for Jesse Manta pedal it off as my own I, can't wait for it. Sorry, last question. Because, it's it's pretty open ended. From at Cameron for MVP. Do. You think we can win the championship next year even if we don't get you on us. And the League looks exactly the same. There's no other beating. The Lakers. Are Lakers, clippers, clippers are the IT. Basically, we assume the teams are similar next year as they are this year yep right. I think they could. But I, think it would be a unbelievable story you know in in the it would be an even larger upset than the first title in Twenty Six. Warriors end up with a home game, a home court advantage in the playoffs. Next year, there's third seed or four seed I will consider that a pretty big win. So I'm not banking on a championship I don't think it's out of the realm of possibilities, but it's not something. I think they have a chance But. Literally, everything would need to go right for them. You know need to be the perfect storm. Factors and it starts this offseason. They they need to draft someone with the topic who can come in and making media impact they need to. Get, kind of a coup on the mid level exception hopefully like marcus so. They need to out rotation was bargains on minimum guys like maybe Glen Robinson. The third or Hassan whiteside or or what have you. They need to They need to really make sure that that bench is filled with guys who can play meaningful minutes in the playoffs because to me. Looking at next season rotation, potential rotation. That's the biggest question. I have I. Think the starting lineup assuming they can all stay healthy. Is. One of the best in the NBA. It's Kim guys like Damian, Lee. knocker you when it matters most in game seven playoff series right now, I'm not confident that the answer to that is yes, So. You round out the pension and get enough going to get enough defense in there. She hold up against the depths of Clippers team, which is to me probably the team in the league right now, That's what it's GONNA come out and people everybody's stay healthy, and you look at this past season, you know we know how hard that is at times You know you can't have a single android, a single significant player. For them to have a chance. That's that's just how tough it is when and let's splash him optimism. When I watch the bubble I, don't see any teams whose talent is wise better than the warriors. The warriors are going to be a very good team next year. But when I, think, we're both saying if you look at Golden, State's last two titles, they didn't need magic what they needed a status quo as long as nobody else as long as they played up to their actual. Actual abilities. They had so much talent on that Roger Championship. We're GONNA, come now, that's not true. Now, they need magic, you know they, they don't have any leeway for everything needs to happen just. So for them to get it, I would could you know and I'm hoping for it, but it's not going to be the same. It's GonNa be titles used to be for almost any other team everything needs to go perfect to to be accepting that trophy virtually from Adam silver. figure, there's a chance saying they're the chance Qatar. Exactly. Right. Bram Thank you so much for Freeman I I could talk to you for hours You know it goes by so fast where can are. Where can our listeners find your pockets whereas huddle, which I'm a huge fan of I. Go on very often where can. I mean. You're basically I. 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Ric Bucher Full Interview 12/5

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Ric Bucher Full Interview 12/5

"The bills the podcast all right. Let's welcome in our NBA enlightener and the really Lee driver Conductor of the Toronto Raptors Bandwagon Bandwagon. That is Rick Euchre. Rick what's up man. How we doing? Good morning thanks for helping on today. I'm good how are you guys. Happy Holidays you too you too so It's it's funny because we were. We were just talking. We're just having a debate about and every time the rappers come up by the way like you're the guy you're you're the guy gives you total credit because I didn't believe view in preseason. I was like listen. I don't think that they're contender in the east. I don't think they have the horses. Siachen taken his game to a new level. And I'm at the point now where I'm like. I think they're number two. But I would say they're number two behind Milwaukee in the eastern conference right now you would still lean towards the rappers though. Is that correct. Are they not the the defending champions. Don't they are warriors. The Warriors Address the warriors won the West last this year. I'm not smack your governess. Who hosted the Larry? O'Brien trophy quiet. Leonard Okay I hit my thing look I said it from the beginning the I believe a lot and I think that scowl will back me up on this I I believe Oh my goodness excuse me. I believe a lot in the institutional value and experience of winning championship prior to doing that. You you try to put it together. You try to have the game plan to try to understand understand what it takes not just in a series not just in the seventh game but in an entire year. How do we build championship team? How do we finish on top everybody else? What does it take? And I think there's an intrinsic knowledge and confidence that comes with that and I look at the Eastern Conference and all of the Ken. There's there's not a contender there that has anything close to that experience or or a player. Who has that experience? Who knows how to close a significant player? Who knows how to close the door? And so I just believe that requisite knowledge gives the raptors a sizable advantage over everybody else in the Eastern conference particularly the way that they're constituted if this was an older team and they lost a quiet Leonard and it still remains to be seen when we get to the postseason. Who's it's going to be there go-to Guy who's going to make that play? Make the big shot with seven seconds. Left that still has to be determined but that has to be determined for every other team that they're competing with as well and I look at guys like Fred Vanfleet Paschal Seok and their continued growth. And I just feel like there are ways for this team to be as good as they were last year with Kawhi Leonard. It's going to require the growth of other guys but that combined with the experience that they have that nobody else in the Eastern Conference has now that Lebron is over in the West I believe is a reason to say they. They are the team to beat. I mean I'm not saying that to be Edgy I just when I add up all of the assets that they have versus the assets that everybody else has I feel like the raptors who just may only be a school lunch. But it's a sketch above everybody else. I'll be with the math. So when you add up all that stuff and when you add a Jaanus like how much that's not doing actual I'm not doing analytics here. This is not an I just WanNa know I like when you go that assists and then on the other hand you have Jaanus. I listen I have my doubts about Yoenis is in the last two minutes of games I still do but okay bye guys so dominant out there dominate every possession. So how does how did you add when you divide the to Toronto and all the things you mentioned without Kawhi and the bucks with Janas like how does Zac come into play. Because I'm having a hard time understanding how any team in the East is gonNA stop you on us well again. The distinction is the playoffs playoffs. We saw jaanus either stopped or not capable of doing enough based on what he had around him in the postseason to be able to overcome ultimately so the question is going to be. And it's not like Janas without question you notice is improved and the fact that he's become a a decent three point shooter and now I'm seeing a little bit of like mid range step back like his confidence growing. But you like both of you guys know this there's regular season conference confidence and then there's playoff confidence. There's I gotta take this shot with the game on the line or I'm GonNa make the playoffs this shot. There's just that requisite experience and for the same reason I need to see how the raptors are gonNA operate without quite Leonard in the postseason. I need to see how the Milwaukee Bucks are GonNa Shrink this thirteen man rotation that that makes them a beast during the regular season. Like Kyle Korver okay. Yeah he can shoot. Who's he gonNA defend like they have elements they can attack? Khris Middleton didn't show out in the playoffs he's a big part of who they are. So there's there's questions across the board. I just have more answers in terms of who can perform in the postseason with the Toronto Raptors than I do with any of the other teams that are contending. And that's the only reason that that I put them ahead. It's not that I don't have questions about them but I have fewer questions about who I know they can be then I do the other contenders like stylistically. I don't think they're the same but I do worry. If there's a worry that I have with the boxes what skelly talking about. It's Jaanus and just you know whether or not he's going to just physically physically dominate guys in the last two minutes of PLOP game. Maybe I think there is a question about that but look at the rockets do and I go. I look at the bucks and the rockets is just like teams. That are bill to just be beasts in the regular season and as I said for very different reasons like I liked the way that the way more than like the way that the the rockets play but I do think there is an element of all right once the game and once the situation the changes come playoff time and come you know in the second third second round of the playoffs and heading to the Eastern Conference finals and even the finals. I wonder if this bucks team is is a little bit like the rockets in that what they do and what their strengths are. Don't really work well in crunch time of a big time. Playoff Games that bear. Is that kind of part of the situation. Because I as much as as I do and I do believe what what Nick nurse and he and he does in. Toronto does sort of work in Cranston. Even even if I don't know who the guy is if it's lowery if it's the ACA like I do think that sort of system the net what they have in place. I see that and I go. Oh I could see that work in the playoffs. Yeah I mean look. It's going to be mix and match. It's GONNA put a lot more pressure on on on nick nurse to figure out what's the matchup I wanna go to in this particular situation. But we've seen that formula work. Fred van let me quiet. Leonard didn't hit every a big shot on their way. There Fred Vanfleet family. It's a big shots. Mark Assault took advantage of his matchup when Navy. PASKAL SIAKA hit bigshots bigshots. Kyle lowry obviously hit some big shots. So I just look at the array of guys who answered the Bell in big situations in the postseason and and and they have an array of them. And I can't say that the Milwaukee Bucks have an array of guys who did that in fact one of them was Malcolm Brogden. WHO's no longer there so whether it's philly whether it's Milwaukee whether it's Boston then like I just there's I don't have a problem role with Toronto knowing that they lost a big piece I'm not The emphasizing the sizing the value or the meaning. The KAWHI Leonard had last year. I just feel like we're from the very beginning. We weren't giving enough credit to the fact that there were a lot of guys can quiet Leonard. Didn't carry them to a championship. He was the leader of a championship team. There's a difference. Hey Rick you wrote a great article about Steph curry shed down and you got mad heat from a lot of different people. We'll have they because there's no way he's coming back under still way. Here's heart through anything but going for that number one picked in many did did they come out and apologized to anybody. Apologized for throwing you under the bus. Just I'm just wondering are you. Are you kidding. No I have have had people who like you have come up to me and said people who didn't kill me and have noted. Hey man everybody killed you for that thing like and they've heard since then like other elements of nerve damage in a variety of things. And it's funny. Because I saw steph probably about four or five days after his press conference I went to a game and he was. He was sitting on the bench and I walked out on the floor and he was right there and we started we. We just started chatting and I was surprised to see him and I go. How are you doing? He goes great and it he I think he and his heart of hearts wants to come back and play and I don't look I said it's not likely or it's unlikely weekly knowing staff. I mean he could be crazy enough to try to convince them. Let me come back and play four five games and Joe Lake of certainly not going to say that but but people also came to me and said look you understand why the warriors trotted him out to do a press conference in why they send it out in every direction action in every media person picked up on it and you know echoed. Oh that's crazy. He like why would he do that. It up it's it's because of the money me I mean it's a brand new building. People are not showing up Ratings on their TV the regional ratings are down like fifty percent so to throw out that hope that. Hey don't give away all your tickets just yet like you're GonNa get to see. Its why why they made Steve Kerr Walk Back Klay Thompson coming back at the end of the year so I kind of looked at it in that in context they go if they can make Steve. Kerr look like a dummy. WHOA no stake in trying to make me look like a dummy so yeah it bothered me a little bit initially but anybody apologized apologized? Didn't what are you kidding me. No now what's the lot. What's the line you're the apology needs to be as loud as disrespect was? That's that's that's what Rick beakers expecting right now. We need to know they're not gonNA give it to you but they're not going to give it to you but that's what it but it is funny that you mention like them trying to save the season like monetarily. It's it's almost like yeah but they're going to be back next year like I. I understand like you know. This isn't a fun team to watch. Like with all due respect to Eric Pascoe and all those guys like. It's just not a fun team to watch and I don't think anyone would blame. Warriors Fan for not really wanting to show up and see the stopper spend their money on it. But I I do imagine all those same people will be back next year. When this team has a healthy step has a healthy declaw has maybe a rejuvenated dream on and as as Tom haberstroh said a potentially a great you know twenty twenty draft? Pick that he said teams around the league quote. Oh terrified of because whether it's a good player or whether they flip it for an all star is that what you're hearing to that teams are are teams. Cut A mad at the warriors for how this thing is going to play out this. Yeah because they're basically going to be able to add Eric Paschal. Who's going to be able to build some young guys at another piece whether it's an all star or a young traffic and have this thing going again and almost like a rejuvenated team next year? Sure our teams pissed about that around the league. They're mad in that they could. Could you know find themselves legitimately getting the number one pick. That does bother people now what that translates to like. This means that they're going to go right. Back to title contention. People aren't going that far. They just they just look at it and go man. They were already lucky in how this team ended up being constructed and now it all it comes crashing down and they have the ability not only to add a piece but to add potentially the best player in the next draft. Now I can tell you from on the warriors side of things and from people that are that draft experts. I don't know that they're going quite as far as as S. haberstroh as far as as this guy's going to put them back on the top. Are they going to be really good. Are they going to be exciting. Yes but I I look. Here's the other part. The Warriors Fan base the new collective fan base and what they're paying in the fact that it's in San Francisco the Oakland like they've changed out their fan base and this is this is like Chicago where I remember when Chicago the Bulls went through this after Jordan Jordan and it was like when they got eddy curry and they got Tyson. Chandler is like hey we could be a playoff team again like playoff team. We we're about winning championships. Yes we're we're we're if we don't get the mansion if we don't get the pool like we're not getting a condo. I don't no cure with. It's a nice condo. I don't care it's a penthouse like we got to own the whole building that is where warriors fans are now. So what are are they going to be back in the mix as far as a playoff team next year for sure I you know. Let's slow our roll. A little bit on Eric Paschal. I mean people after after the first week. Were saying what they should they should move. Draymond Green Eric Pascoe can be draymond green. I'm like what you do. Just hold on and you're seeing you're seeing now like this is the challenge again. This is for all the knuckleheads out there who I don't know if you like just play fantasy basketball or you don't watch the Games but the magic of the warriors wasn't that they had multiple all-stars we've seen any number a number of teams who have multiple all stars. It's the fact that those all stars and that talent meshed so oh well together. They were so supportive of each other and on top of that they had a tremendous depth. Where look the vast majority of the the the the dynasty that the warriors had wasn't built built on K. D. Steph Clay Draymond? It was built on when they had a second five. That was a starting five and the second that they lost that they needed a superstar arguably the best player in the League to join them to continue to be at that level. So Kevin Durant or any remnant of Kevin Durant is not coming back no matter what and you can add wiseman or whoever they're I'm not gonNA be Kevin Durant so this question still is. Where are you going to get your Shaun Livingston? Where are you going to get your Andre Igwe Dolla? Those are important where you're going to get your Andrew. Bogut like all of those guys played vital roles in their championship. Run and to say say. We're trying out all these guys. I mean like that championship caliber guys like Andrea Dahlan. Shaun Livingston do not grow on trees. Do not just show up. Do not just play a role it. The the chemistry of the warriors I think in looking at their championship run is the most underestimated under appreciated thing about their entire run. Everybody just looks at the big names and the all stars you know why they were all stars because they complimented each other and the success of the team that's why Atlanta had four. What four all stars? Once upon a time. That's being an all-star doesn't define that you're a championship caliber player or team. Move into the Lakers. I was just about to say. We'll we'll see what this team is made good ran a good ran too much warriors for what we will be one hundred percent with you on that Tom But the Lakers are we willing now to say like. Hey they're they're legit like this. Lebron him being too busy doing other things. It's like. This is a thing of the past like these Laker team is for real. Lebron is about winning championships. He he certainly looks locked it into me. I mean he hit the level of confidence how he looks physically again. This is one of the things that is under appreciated about. Lebron is is how he's able to bring a team together and get it to believe like that level of confidence that the Lakers have is for for a group. That's really just coming together and guys. It aren't necessarily should have you know a ton of conference are playing with tremendous confidence and I just what the the impact that I see him having on. Anthony Davis is transformative. It's it it is it is amazing. Now here's my only caveat is do I think that they're legit. Absolutely they're legit. I could see the western conference finals being in L. A. IN L. A. Affair Clippers versus Lakers depending on how the scene goes but without question. That's that's I would expect that to happen. Can Lebron a play this way all year. Can Anthony Davis stay healthy all year. I just believe that their margin is a lot is is thinner than the clippers is but I look at the rest of the western conference after the clippers. I probably like the Lakers as the as the next best team and the team that that that I would give the next best chance of coming out of of the Western Conference. That's a great way to put it because you oh I picked the Lakers in the preseason it was basically because if all things go right I think that they can be that team with. Anthony Davis Brown. That's the best duo there is. But you're right. If anything goes goes wrong they have an injury and The other day brought up. He thinks they need. He thinks Kaku smell like they need another guy like how Kuzma might not be able to be the third best player on this team. They need another playmaker they. I need another scorer. Who that is? We don't know yet but because if they do lose anyone they are pretty vulnerable in the frontcourt depth opposite white and jail McGee and given them great minutes but do do you think I mean have you heard any rumblings or anything about them and who they want. Obviously Andre Iguodala name out there that a lot of people want. But can you see the Lakers making a big move before the deadline headline trying to bring in another player can do they have the capability to do. That is that what's going on on that front. I just. I don't see that they have the assets to be able to do it. It's a a player of significance From all indications Memphis is not gonNa let it go unless you give them something and there are other teams is that are in the mix that can give something more valuable than what the the Lakers are able to provide. So I just. I don't see a realistic way. Okay and they're gonna add a significant piece and I will say this to. I mean this is like I love seeing Anthony Davis grow under the tutelage Of Lebron James and I am hoping for him that he is a different player in the postseason. But what I haven't seen him be a consistently dominant player in the way that he has to be for the Lakers. Like when they swept the blazers that was as much their guards dominated the blazer strengthen their guards and so it was anthony. Anthony Davis had to make mincemeat out of use of Nurkic and he did he outplayed. Well reality is we would expect that like Anthony Anthony Davis for how he's touted should dominate nurses but it wasn't like they were double teaming. Anthony Davis they dared him to be the difference maker and he was. I think there's going to be situations where he's going to have to be a little bit more than that he's going to have to be a guy I who gets doubled or makes plays and makes other guys better. Can he do that in the postseason and can he do it like on. Every night I mean because their margin like he needs to give you. Can't you can't have any off games. Because then it's just Lebron James carrying the load and so I still need to see that everybody's like they need a third guy. I still need proof that they have a bonafide second guy when when it means winning winning a championship. Wow that's that's that's the ric Bucher user the day like Anthony Davis isn't a bonafide second guy anyway. Let Me Rick. What is the thing you hate doing more than anything in the world like? Give me one thing you're like I can't stand this. What is that one thing when it comes to the job? Now anything anything in life would like you just like I can't stand Who Don't like everything? You don't have an answer for this. I don't like doing all right all right. Would you rally full folding laundry. All right this big Joe what she does now my wife takes. I have a favorite aver chair. Actually there's two of them. I have two favorite chairs. She takes the clean laundry and she puts it on the chair folded. No no no no not here no there you go. It's like passwords acid. Move right mix like that. I think it would move right. Let me ask my question. Would you rather old laundry listening to the music. You hate the most in the world for three hours or watch. What's the Houston Rockets? Play with a bunch of guys that every time James Harden and Russell Westbrook take a shot or a move they go. ooh ooh ooh yeah better if he made it or they missed it. You have to pick one. Who would you rather do this times? All I'm doing dishes you know like the most obnoxious fans of basketball. That don't care about results olds but they love the rockets and you had to sit in a room with thirty of them and watch the rockets play or do laundry or dishes. Yeah you're right I I would. I would fold the laundry and do the do the dishes before I would and you don't even you have to give my favorite chair after the fact you could allow me to sit in my favorite chair. And what's that transpire with the rockets and it wouldn't it would. It would ruin my favorite chair so I am. How bad how bad seriously from a hoop junkie? How bad it'd be real? How bad no so this is how bad it is? This is how bad it is and I think you you've helped me here because put in the pre show notes like I'm struggling with the fact that I thought ought hardened deserve to be. MVP over Jaanus last year. He got him he was at the top of my youngest was second. I don't have have hardened in the conversation with Jaanus or Lebron when it comes to MVP and yet if you go by analytics you go scoring or whatever it is like. He's actually having a bigger impact than he did. Last year. Right Russ isn't doing Russ isn't doing as much as C.. P. Did there you can make a case their team's not quite as good and he's just hardens putting up these astronomical numbers so has my issue with him was shooting a ton of threes reason shooting a poor percents from three point range. Well he's he's improved that when the shots that he hits off the dribble from how deep does contested whatever. It still amazes the hell out of me but I'm with you. I don't like I have to force myself to watch the rockets to come up with a conclusion and by myself. I don't even need. The Yahoo is like all starstruck by what's going on. It's a hard watch for me at this point and yet I have to do it because I have to come to terms with why I feel so different about James Harden this this year than I did last year. It maybe because I saw that it was fool's gold when they got to the postseason and that shouldn't have anything to do with the MVP. I mean this is a reconciling. I have with myself self. I am troubled. I'm psychologically troubled with myself that I have turned this corner that I see James Harden so different then I did last year and I don't have an answer and it bothers me but it's incredible it's impossible to take the postseason stuff out of it like I know the. MVP is a regular season. He's an award. That's that's all well and fine but unfortunately for James Harden there's just nothing he can do in the regular season that's going to impress. Most people like you know. We impressed the wrong John. Work Scott gets mad at me when I say that like obviously it's an impressive accomplishment if he's going to average forty points a game. I don't like the way does it but like credit where credit's due. But I'm not going to sit here and lose my my mind over it so and it was a really interesting thread on reddit about this. Like is James Harden the least popular superstar in in recent history. I mean it just I don't remember like an MVP guy who's who's widely considered to be a top three to five player who fans and media members don't like the way he plays the game like I can't can't remember because we've gotten we've gotten we've gotten Kobe fatigue. We've Gotten Lebron Petit with how great they were. Maybe some of that had to do with off the court. I'll agree with you but James Harden strictly on the court core is just not a well liked guy. Is there anyone that you could compare that to rick. No no kids kids like them like when you go and watch people play. That's all they do. They love James Harden. Yeah I don't I don't get it. I hate it but they do it. I you know how member who said it. Mark Jackson said it. That Steph is ruining the game he was like with all the three point shooting. And all that stuff I I want to get. I don't WanNa get into anything about mark. But but James Harden is ruining America's Youth James Harden. It's ruining ruining America's use you. You lifted the LID widow daughter. Tell us more about the show is scowling. POWs we do it. I say so. We're not getting into that anyway. Like so over the Oh God. That'll don't don't let me up. I don't WanNa do that. Oh that's funny yeah I be honest I feel so as if the game has been ruined on. Some I ruined is as strong but the game is less attractive than it has been in a while now. I have been around this game long enough to know. The same feeling was about Michael Jordan. Once upon a time it was too much it was too much Michael Jordan and Michael Jordan had created this whole generation of players. That just wanted to go at you and take you off the dribble and beat it you and they weren't Michael Jordan just like so many of these guys are not steph curry in terms of being able to shoot it all these kids coming up. Everybody wants to Jack Threes. They don't have his his ability. So I saw this with Michael Jordan and I believe that it was there with Kobe Bryant and it had as much to do with style of play as it had to do with Colorado or you know the perception that Iran Shack Outta town the big lovable Galut that is that is the big air startled Cetera. So I I we've seen it a rations of this. I think the distinction is those guys were hated and you felt like they were hated as much because of their success. It's just like their teams. Were hated because of their success. Could probably throw you know Steph. In that category to a certain extent drawn James is not not like because of his style of play. And it's only that it's not like it's not resentment it's not jealousy it's only because yeah you got numbers but it doesn't feel good watching you and I don't. I don't know about you guys but I feel like a lot of fans just gravitate eight toward the guys that honestly they'd like to play with. I think there's a lot of fans who are pickup players or X. pickup players and they see a guy like James Harden and they go. I'll have played hoops. Guy I hate that I talk. We all know that guy that I hate that guy and you know it's one thing I gotta tolerate playing with them now again. I'm sure as hell I'M NOT GONNA turn my TV and watch. That guy had be reminded of the guy that I hate playing. Well that's crazy all sports. Hold on let me ask you it. There any correlation in any sport in any other sport. I don't know like I watch a lot of football or anything like that. There's there's no way a football player could be dominant and us be Mike and Mike this style of play. That doesn't happen right now. Oh because the function of I mean. Baseball's just is a tremendously individualistic sport. So we expect you know. Expect Barry Rebounds to be great in and of Barry Bonds we celebrate that or Mike Trout or will go down the line in football all. You can't get anything. Done Independent Strauss Fox so Soccer Saint thing I I mean no messy messy. But he's got to have somebody who's GonNa defend somebody's GonNa get him the ball and you just you have too many guys who have to contribute this is you know basketball is unique the end I would say basketball is unique at the NBA level in that one great player can tilt the scales not to the point of necessarily winning championships. Because he's gotTa have you gotTa have more than that to make that happen but can win a lot of games games and put up phenomenal numbers and have his team be successful as a result. Well that's that's you know we talk about the rating stuff. And you're talking about kids love watching James Harden and and I do think there there may be some sort of correlation there because I think kids on Youtube on twitter and wherever an Instagram they watch James Harden highlights. But I don't know if it necessarily watching rockets games right like. They like watching him do his thing in you know having you know crossing over some guy making them fall down whatever and that's that's cool and like a ten second clip but is that really great basketball all and I think there is some sort of ratings discussion when it comes to that because I do believe that the game is healthy. People were talking about it. People are talking about harden they just may not be watching him night in night night out leak pass but I do think interesting yesterday to rick. Is that CARAMBA. We ask him if he would you ask them. Would you want to play with James James Harden and he said absolutely yeah. We were both Kinda surprised by that. He said he said because I would insert myself into the conversation. That was his words. I ought to stand around and be passive aggressive. I'd be like no you guys got to give me the ball. Pj Tucker Eric Gordon or I don't even Capella the but okay okay. Did you see the end of the San Antonio game. PJ Tucker was wide open although he was like this is what I not not like charge. It was like Yo. Why a passerby all offensive foul you James Harden so so that's like that's a passive aggressive way of seeing like do you? Can you pass me the ball wide as open open for the win and you go in dry pass one euro step another run into another guy. Could you what. You're trying to be the hero here so I I don't think that his guys and I don't get like that was the most confusing game ever because the other guy's it's been macklemore. Pj Tucker Austin rivers and Clint Cappella. They were actually playing really good. Or the course of eighty two hundred three possessions Russians in a game. Why would they not pass those guys a ball more? They really do not care about anybody else but themselves. And that's that's hard that's hard. I think it's hard to play with. Luke Walton said to me wants about playing with Kobe. The hang of playing with Kobe. Goes you know some guys. There's times were like the first forty eight forty six minutes of the game. You hate playing with Kobe. It goes but the last two minutes you love playing with Kobe. Okay Bryan and the distinction. That James still has to get over. which is if you're going to be that dominant on the ball? But you'RE GONNA make. I'm going to be part of a championship team. I'm going to get to places that I couldn't get anywhere else. I can check that off the bucket list. You know what I'll go. I'll go with that. I'll go with that because you're getting me where I ultimately you give me an experience. I couldn't get any place else. Get to be a champion. We're doing it your way but but I get to be a champion. It's it's what guys played with. Lebron signed up for sure but if you're not winning championships it's like okay. Hold on a second. You're taking all the shots you get all the touches. I've gotTA run up and down and play defense and we're a second round team or were were getting to the con- you know we're we're not. We're not getting that ultimate ultimate prize. I think that's where guys jump off the ship or they lose their enthusiasm. You don't get the full You know full Width and breadth of what they're capable of doing because they look at it and go. You're having all the fun and you're not necessarily getting me to a unique the place and not quite down with this and even more so like when you're four for eight and James Harden is what Tan for thirty eight like this one thing if James was going off option fifty percent every time you pass me the ball by giving us a good shot odd and Russ was seven thirty like they were combined like sixteen for Sixty eight. It was some insane number on man. Is that from the field. James was our twenty from three. I mean it is a and that's the thing when we talked about yesterday. You look at the numbers and you go. Oh Russ at a triple double in James scored fifty like good game right. No no like. That's insane. Both of them shot twenty percent combined from the field and they blew a twenty point lead but I think it extends to to the rockets themselves right because now we have this whole thing. We're speaking that Spurs game where they're GONNA protest. The the end of the woods eight minutes left a a dunk call. That didn't go their way. That clearly went in but it was a miscall and but there there were still there are still up. There would have been up sixteen or fourteen with eight minutes left in that game and they expect the NBA to just award them a victory. Which I think I imagine most people around the league just completely roll their eyes? With what are the I mean. The rockets has a whole recap to be disliked are the most disliked team in the League more than the warriors even. Oh Yeah I think the warriors the problem with the warriors is they're not the warriors right now like I did a did a story about in fact. The thing I mentioned with Steph unlikely to play again this season was actually tucked into a story. About how guys around the League. Actually looking forward to who playing against dream on and Steph without Klay in K. D. because they were going to get their come up into now that they're not out there it's like you know beaten up Glen Robinson and Eric Paschal just not not same satisfaction. After all these years so yeah I'm trying to think if there's anybody else that I wonder how people feel about Philadelphia. Yeah outside of Philadelphia in Philly. They hate him really they do I. It's listen listen more people I talk to Philly. They are so down on the sixers. So really sixers. Yeah Yeah. I can't our producer today. Today is not the New York Guy Right but he he got a New York. Billy guy there they do not believe in this team and they blame it on Brett Brownie. Blame it on Ben Simmons but I know they haven't played well but they're still halfway decent in that position but there's no evidence it shows are gonNA improve but I don't think people hate billy makes you why. I think people hate the rocket the amount of Boston fans that come up to me and talk about James Harden is the only no one will bring Lebron and it'll be like man he's unbelievable this year but the amount of people that hate James Harden this random conversations middle of Boston where usually in Boston they don't care about anything outside of here it's unbelievable. It's like this guy is America's most hated player right now well Boston. Boston is one of those places where I mean. Boston is like Indiana. If you don't play the game the right way there are more people that are going to take umbrage at that in a place like in a place like Boston because it's just it's not the history of the team and I believe there's there's just the sense of the way the game is supposed to be played is dictated a lot. By how the Celtics how the Celtics played it. But I'm I'm looking across the board and I know that Houston Rockets. Have to be the most hated team in the NBA. And I would say that you know what it is. You're right right people outside of Philly. Don't hate the team. NECESSARILY THEY HATE The Philadelphia Seventy sixers fans because the sixers fans are the ones the trust the process and we're smarter than everybody else. We've got. Ben Simmons sorry. It's got to be like like we regret you guys suck team stupid and you're like what what have you guys done. What have you got done? I don't think I'm alone in thinking that way. I think most people look at Philadelphia's seventy six fans and go you guys act like you're the smartest people in the world and you're the smartest team in the world and you're a bunch of new because you bought into abject losing for four years and what did what did it gets you a point guard. Who can't shoot won't shoot and A and A and a center center whose massively talented but had to sign a thirty five page contract? Because we don't know if he's going to break down at any given time that's what your four four years of abject brilliance and losing got you congratulations. You guys are so smart breach Freakish Alice. How You Really Louisville now? Here we go through things so rudy thinks that the process wirt. Well listen I I look at. I'm an Orlando Magic Fan right like I'd rather there'd be the sixers in the magic I mean I I I don't think it's all it's all relative right got yes like did it work out perfectly. Obviously if you'd want if you tank for five years as you probably want to have a title of the show at least a team that you think I by the way I'm not writing off the sixers. I still think that they could win a title and I just I just have major questions about them but yeah I really don't top team. Do you really think as constituted do you. Can You Picture Ben Simmons and Joel Embiid leading the seventy sixers to a championship. I think they can. I think they can win the east. I don't think they could be either L.. A. Team so no I don't yeah. So ideally I the idealism in me would say yes but there it's like talent works but you've got to be built differently to be to win a championship by the way you WanNa talk about tanking. Toronto Ronald didn't they win a championship. Without a lottery pick they did The Raptors not one on. They're not one on the roster with Serge in Jamaica or he was a later pick. Well he was he was. Yeah Anyway. Just just yell you could be good. There's a lot of different ways. He's to be good. Pass the twenty seven th pick to thank the bucks there to the bucks have had A. I don't I don't know if it's no lottery picks but I don't think they've had I think Brooke Lopez's Lopez their highest pick on the ten. Maybe I think or so because it wasn't it wasn't a lottery. I think it was a late lottery or just outside the lottery I believe that their highest highest pick was was was Was Lopez was Brook Lopez. which is it goes show you that? Listen there's more than one way to skin a cat like I think you know there are plenty of teams that have that have not tanked and are going nowhere and there are plenty of teams. That have tanked. That aren't going anywhere either. I just think sometimes it's luck. Sometimes it really is. The sixers lucked into a couple of players that we thought we thought could be generational players in a team like the magic who also tank in the same time. Didn't end up with anybody so it's for for people that say tanking. Oh you do it because it works. It's not it's not like it's a fail-proof system like you can instill bail tanking like your. You still have to develop guys. You still have to develop the system and culture of winning which scale you pointed out a million times because the sixers were never in a culture of winning. Maybe some of those guys. Maybe Ben Simmons is too afraid to take a big shot or Joel embiid has never learned how to be a winning player so I think all of that goes into listen. I as much as I'm I understand and tanking it's not a it's not a fail-proof system hard. It's hard to hold guys accountable when you're trying to lose it. Just yeah yeah. There's a lot that goes into to building young men young players into you know. Grown men like championship level. And I think it starts from the time you walk walk on like the first day you're at practice and if you're like it's okay we lose who kind of like when you're playing and like it always. It gets hard. It gets hard for everybody and you're like well if we lose this okay like just thinking about the brand bird magic magic Jordan. Tom Brady like this thing about the all time. Think about even Muhammad Ali the all time sport grades you think in their mind and they're like it's okay. If we lose you talk good. We'll be good in like five years. It's gotTA trust the process. I just don't believe that right. It's also the leave. Have you can have sort of surgical tanking. You can find a season where you guys have injuries you know what get that surgery. We now take care of that Rehab during the summer. There's there's ways to do it where you don't invite the idea that losing is okay. I think you can do it for a year and try to get that pick and try to get that guy because there's look there is. There is a certain amount of proof that by and large the thirteen eighteen that the cornerstone players are lottery. Picks are in the top five. There's there's there's analytics that will demonstrate that but when when you do it for four or five years and you don't make any pretense that yeah we're we're trying to lose and lose by a lot and we you don't care getting that out of your organization getting the number. I felt bad for the guys who are the fodder of that Playing in Philly and I know some of them were probably playing there because the team wasn't interested in winning but I think the guys like TJ McConnell who survived five and like they're the exception rather than the rule. How many how many guys careers were just you know they're? They're their their understanding of how to play in the NBA were short circuited. Because they were with franchise that just decided this is the you know. We're playing saying not for what you're going to experience now what you're going to learn about the game but you know what we're trying to the assets were going to use later. I just. It's a little bit. You took advantage of of people's lives in order to build something later that ultimately has no promise of paying off. Doc Rick I wanNA move on here. I made this. I made this point to scowl. We're kind of talking through in the in the first half hour of the show You know we talked about the western conference and how dominant they've been over the eastern conference is you know basically top to bottom for what feels like twenty years. Now I'm looking at the standings now and you know I I said I think Milwaukee I think both teams are probably the elite teams. I think you would probably throw Toronto and there as well but I think all right. Let's most people I think would say those. Three teams are the elite teams. We don't act like an outlier by throwing Toronto in there. I think yeah I think you kind of are an outlier though. I don't think many people believe I don't think many people are as strong as you are on the raptors. I'm open to it more open to it than I was but I still think most Sousse. Hey this is the thing to lose at this point. Nineteen and three of their steam rolling people. I think right now as far as like you know twenty or so games into the season there are three sort of like elite level teams. I think that most people would would would say. And that's Milwaukee in both teams. But then I look from there on and I kinda go. I think the East is right up there as far as step one through eight with the western conference operative my crazy to say that as far as the top teams. Like if you go for Boston. TORONTO PHILLY MIAMI. I think they're just as good as the nuggets. The mavs the rockets the jazz and then like seven and eight is is Minnesota in Phoenix. I don't think they're any better than Orlando in Brooklyn and so I actually think it's kind of even. I can't argue with that. I'm not I mean the the I would say the overall the depth of the Western Conference yes a number of quality teams like there's all legit playoff teams there. You're GonNa have winning records And you'RE GONNA have a battle of three or four teams legitimately for the last playoff spot. And and so in that regard. I think the western conference is deeper with good teams. But we're just talking about the the best of the best at the top of the respective conferences. I would agree with you. I would agree with you after the Lakers and the clippers you know. I'm not overwhelmed by the Denver Nuggets. I just haven't been in the fact that the Dallas Mavericks have risen to fourth with their team. Probably says it all about the rest of it. I'M NOT A BELIEVER IN UTAH. I'm not a believer in Houston. So yeah I think I think you certainly can make a case Cerruti. You've got one. You've you've found one CONGRAT- every once in awhile. Congratulations well done yeah. So odds are cookers odds top to bottom to win a championship. Clippers Lakers very very close bucks sixers rockets Jazz Nuggets Celtics six raptors raptor with that. Yeah I don't agree. I just went up by the way for Christmas. I just went shopping and I bought two who flatbeds to add to my Toronto Raptors wagon because it may not be full now but it will be as the season progresses is. There are more people that are climbing on so yes I may. I don't know that I'm an out liar. I may be the driver of the bandwagon but I last time I checked check. Those seats are filling up. Yeah so you might. You might not be tortured analogy and all your. Yeah you definitely are the driver of the Gordon Hayward word. Hey and that's true idea that he's now your hatred towards Boston from what's like how did you go from me. He talking about putting putting my raptors belief in context and the growing faith that I see people having to. I don't not like Gordon Hayward how did how did you connect those two scall- a what do you think about the Knicks. No no no. This is serious because I would not have at the beginning of the year. I would have listened to Rick Euchre and said that The top coaches on the hot seat Luke Walton was on the hot see. Who else did you say? Mike did Tony with higher hot. See See Scotty Brooks Voelkel Scotty Brooks but I would not have guessed wraparound day. Look at look at Brown and be another one I I would not guess but it still seems to be on the hot seat. Are you surprised enlightener. I don't know that he's on as much of a hot seat as people have portrayed. I really don't think that I think the press conference which was a reaction to not that they were losing but that they were they were they were playing well on the road and they were getting drummed at home and they had come out. Steve Mills and Scott Perry. It said we're going to be a competitive team. Yeah we didn't we didn't hit on On on the superstars that we thought that we were going to get there in the off season. But we think we've built a tough off gritty team. That's what we're hanging our hat on and a dozen games into the season. They were not looking like that at all at home. Now I know that fizz has Dolan in has a relationship with Dolan. I know that he has a relationship with Scott Perry and that those guys talk all the time I I just don't i. Don't see a change being made you with the Knicks. When it comes to Fizz at some point and does he come back next year? Probably not but I think they knew that this was a mixed bag of a team and I think they also knew that was going to have to grow. As a coach to be able to coach. This is a very nuanced team to cope. This isn't I mean. Keep in mind look at what fizzes. Experience was in Miami as an assistant coach and what his in his his brief experience was with the Memphis. Grizzlies those were all structured teams. Those are all teams where it was kind of plug and play. You knew who was what you knew. What the roles that they had This knicks team is a completely different bag. It's it's what makes a guy like Brad Stevens Evans considered a really good coach because you can give him a mixed bag and he had to do that. A lot of Butler to be successful. You weren't getting the top notch talent. You have to find a way to utilize every piece that you had and mix and match and and be effective that way. I think he's done his best work. Brad it has with Boston in doing that physicist figuring out how to do that and so I think what's disappointing being with the Knicks is because of the guys that they had and I'm I was on board with this and I still think this is what I don't understand. We're killing phys. Were killing the Knicks. Now let's say a word about Lloyd Pierce and the Atlanta Hawks. Why aren't we? I mean we're not saying anything about them. The Charlotte Hornets. It's got dragged by the box. Just a couple of nights before. Nobody's talking about James. And I think Jay's Reagan has done an admirable job a lot I really. I'm impressed with the job that he's done. Hornets kicked away some games in the last minute. I just feel like there's in its natural actual with New York. We always make a deal about wait a minute wait a minute wait a minute. The media is not no one in the media. Thought that Nick. We're going to be good. No one looking at this saying and was fired phys gotta do a great job this team. No one thinks that only if you have that are Scott Perry and mills. Those are the only two guys that thought that this team I was GonNa go in the world hold on hold on on. They said they were GONNA be competitive. They didn't say they weren't going to play for a playoff spot. And they were GONNA have a certain record kerr they weren't promising. A certain number of wins. I just said they were going to be competitive and I make the case. What's that and so it's like a lame cop oppa like our you know? We're going to be competitive. Not Putting any. What does that even mean like? All right okay. Behold on hold on and I'm not I don't want cast aspersions on on on Whoa. He's way too good of a reporter and has way too good of a track record. But we are hanging that fizz is the is the scapegoat on in. What what are we making it on stuff up? He doesn't make stuff up he doesn't just sit around making stuff up. That's how it gets okay for being lows. Hey when you say that he's going to be. I mean if he was going to be fired soon their foreign seventeen shouldn't have already happened in a way that was you know you know how this works. They're going to go to a point where they can look at it like a stretch of games that they think that they could win fire. Fire Him right before that because it because they don't want to win those games and then wherever they hired a new coach who just wins four or five regardless of what what happens the rest of the season everybody does it. That's why they fired. tibbs after beating the Lakers by twenty they thought he was going to lose the next two games. He beat the Lakers. Here's by twenty. They fired him because they're like wait a minute. This is not going well for us so yeah it's a strategic firing by the way in which is not. Make this stuff up understood as far as are there concerns about Fiz with the Knicks. Yes but if you go back and you look at wo- ges report like okay. So when does it have to happen for that report to be true because if he gets fired heard this season I mean if they continue at this at a winning percentage of one ninety. You're going to get fired and they're gonNA turn the page. Yea Yeah because at some point you just you have to write. You need to make some kind of change to give your fan base. Some reason to think this we're not going to be you. Know the the the late Philadelphia Seventy sixers. But I can just tell you that when that report came out and I talked to people in Knicks Organization about the press conference and was that the this is the setup to get rid of phys if that was the setup to get rid of phys it should have already happened. Okay that was that was weeks ago. It should have already happened if that press conference was the set of that was the attachment that I'm not vying. Could they make a move on his. Yes but was that press conference all about we are are taking a shot at this. I don't believe that I believe it was more talking to the fans and saying we thought we were going to be more competitive than this. We expect to be more competitive Edita than this and then and I sit at the time I think on this show like I wondered. How much of that was them? Sending a message to the players because the the players like this they want this to be the coach sending a message to the players. You want fists still be the coach. Then you guys need to pick up the competitive spirit here because at. That shouldn't be coached. You guys should be playing harder. I'll play nostradamus right here. They got a back to back at Miami December Twentieth Home Against Bucks. The Nick follow that with Wizards Nets Wizards. Okay when is that September. Twenty seconds. All Right Perfect Kris okay. It's you wouldn't be clipped at December twenty second book that okay whenever I'm going to give you the bucks so if they don't if it doesn't happen then does that mean that. Now he's he's on for the duration that's your opening I'm using just logic I'm using been around the NBA for using Paul Mills that they're we're GonNa get blasted by the bucks at home. It's GonNa be right before Christmas. And they got Washington Nets Washington. That's the one right there on. Hey come here might be a Christmas present. four-fifths they'll just be like all right. I'm personalizes that. Get the hell out of this situation. But I'm gone. Yeah well listen his on you guys. Now I'm out like feel free to win more games rick. We're out of time. I just want to ask you this quickly because we did. We got you right before the Kyri return and there's been some obviously some updates to that story. Obviously the instagram posts. We talked nauseam about this but yesterday scalp believe I mean scalise been on record by the way saying that. They are better with Spencer. Jin Witty and with Kyrie out of this lineup. I think a lot. The people are sort of in that camp to in statistically it does it does sort of back that up. He's even mentioned and went so far to say that he would test the trademark. It on Kyrie are we there. Are we there there yet in Brooklyn no no. Are you kidding me. I mean this is crazy. Wait till December. How many more every more minutes till of December fifteenth you're crazy? This is all about next season this is all about. You Got Kevin Durant with the promise that he's GonNa play with Kyrie Irving you can't pull the rug on that and go. Yeah Katy appreciate that you signed up for the long term and you've got a bad wheel and you don't want to carry the load by yourself itself but we shipped Kyrie Irving out for future picks because we need to hit the reset but let me ask you straight up are they. Better this season. This season I agree with you for next year because I read the difference maker. I understand that but this year in a regular season are they better without Kyrie this year only without Kevin Durant trying to win a championship. They're not championship level. Are they better without Kyri. Are they better have. They've been better yes they've been better. It's hard for me to say that they the champion better with they. Should they have the familiarity. They it allows Atkinson the coach. The way he wants wants to coach. I mean there are so many reasons why they can be more of what they were last year without Kyrie and the Angela wasn't as big of a element to the success last year as people make it out to be but damn I mean Kyri can go win games for you at the end in a way that very few if you guys can. It's really hard for me to say that's not valuable and didn't Dinwiddie is not as a closer is not not as good as Kyrie Irving. Just stop with that. Just stop it. That's not not English season. He played better with Dinwiddie because he's not necessarily it's not going to become an eyesore. Just dinwiddie thing. Yes you can make a case. They're they're more effective well. No no we won't put them on the trade bloc just yet. That would be hilarious if they're like. Yeah actually we're GONNA ship your pants. Bread Town Sorry K. D. Sportsman's next year. Here's the thing when it comes to the ratings and the and the interest in the league this is. What's missing is that we're not talking about anybody moving? We're not talking about anybody. Any big guys moving because because you have so many teams that have a shot at it. They're really not. Nobody's maneuvering everybody. This is why parody does not work in the NBA because it's a transactions since league. It's a it's a WHO wears the big name GonNa go when everybody thinks they have a shot. There's less motivation to make that blockbuster deal to to jump into the into the contest. Now well the you know when the biggest trade ships right now are Damore to Rosen and lamarcus Aldridge. That's not what we're used to. We're used to you still a little bit bigger than that coming coming. The debt so Rick Rod thanks for sticking around a couple of minutes late we always appreciate our NBA enlightener. we'll talk to you next week. Thanks you're listening to this scale and pals podcast watcher. Listen to scale impels weekdays from eleven to one. PM Eastern Although Radio Dot Com digital network award.

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Where's You Breaking Point With James Harden?, NBA Season Begins Tonight, The Jets Win...And Lose And NBA History

"We got shot homemade. Avail quarterback crenshaw very. This is the sean salisbury show. Welcome in on a wednesday. It's the wednesday edition. Is it wednesday. Wednesday tuesday oh thank god. You got me good gracious. Did i miss a day. Also thomas show tuesday and wednesday with ross. Between now i mean the christmas. You had christmas and getting stuff done a mixed with covert i. I can't do today's right because today. Actually the twenty starts got to game. Big ones tonight lakers clippers Guess what they're playing in in staples because the lakers play the clippers. So who's got the home floor. I think the lakers do. I think as the defending champs they should be better at while the clippers. Did i think they changed the lightning to when they play. I think they're out. The theater lakers are getting their locker room. I think it's a lakers home game. And then obviously golden state's plan the brooklyn nets and see how k. d. and that group recovers as well. Okay well that's that's matt thomas special right there somebody here. They're headphones idea. Who if they're headphones. Are this allowed. That's their death good gracious. It doesn't say who the home team is tonight. Zooming by the thing where it said the top team to the bottom assuming that the went from when the clippers are mentioned. I i'm assuming on like when you're looking at it either. Betting lines just in his hometown right and gold states at brooklyn. if i'm not mistaken correct okay so stars stars Galore tonight but we'll see how golden state fairs with house wiggins fit in house wiseman fit in steph without clay draymond green shape preseason regular season and then obviously in brooklyn how that team comes together if they're a legitimate threat to the nba eastern conference finalists slash nba championship with k. D. will pretty soon and pretty urgent. How healthy he is right. Yeah rockets will take their act on the road. Excuse me at home. Then they had been. They hit the road. They play the oklahoma city thunder. We'll hear what James rocket. We heard from them yesterday so far so next question is for the first time this year. Well let's start the show up at tyler's here emcees here. Here's what adam silver right off the bat talking about James harden and the and the rockets and kind of being a pro right. Now i saw the media. He did last week. He said he's focused on game and being in houston right now and look. He's got some great players around him and let's see what happens. Once the season starts ultimately that's what puts a smile on my face. That's what's so exciting to be back the nba basketball. Yeah for all of us. Maybe not james but for the rest of us. We're all pretty excited about it makes so we know he's going to be on the he's one of those gets traded at halftime. It say. did we get past today. He's not getting traded before the season on. I don't know he'll believe it. Like i said we thought maybe before christmas. I'm still go by january. Thought but if he gets two tomorrow i have a hard time believing. He's not going to get to at least ten twelve fifteen years then right. Yeah like moments. Silver made that comment he posted on instagram picture of himself putting his hand up to the camera the james harden he is gone full nba. Diva and i hate it. I'd like to know something. Why is it grown men in their folding. I don't understand it. I mean. I really don't either i don't get it. He's been above it forever and he's now doing it. It's just it it's. It's not something that i'm really all that mad about it can be. It's like dude. You've been better than this. What's made you really good on. The court is really haven't spent too much time worrying about stuff off the court manning noise just kind of goes about his business but now all the trade talk. And here's the problem self inflicted. He brought it up bright. Nobody else did. It's not like your hand can't handle the camera because you're pissed that everybody's talking poorly about you or the you've had a bad season or nobody's really everybody was hoping you'd come back and play basketball fit in with a new coach and a new team excited. You wanted rus out. He wanted to didn't want john wall here yet didn't he want. He won't russ here and chris paul he got everything you want. The only thing that he hasn't got is trade to somewhere and he's the one who brought it up. Nobody other than the typical talk about. Hey man has klay thompson. Going to be a golden state warriors. What is what does john is going to be seven. That's the banter we have all offseason. Yeah part of the mantra. Nobody all sudden he started this. How are we supposed to react. And then you don't come on and tell us we're supposed to react that everything's cool. I apologize it silly. I'm just trying to get right. I'll be ready to go great to be in houston play. I don't understand. I've never i'll be honest with you. I've never understood grown men stroll job as nba s professional athlete. I don't need you don't need to look at me syndrome right. And it's all handling it reeks of rabid. Now if you're lebron and you can have the biggest rabbit ears on the planet and here everything and utilize it to your advantage and go win an nba. Championship okay. i may not like it. But i've just never understood how somebody's sitting in a cafe or somebody's sitting at their home. That is on twitter. The they know the reason they're doing what they're doing to get you to respond. Yeah and then somebody like lebron. I don't mean he's above a normal human beings. Good people doesn't mean he's better but when somebody's some guy is dog him over has never put a basketball his hand in his life. somebody sitting in in minneapolis. He doesn't need to respond to that. You know what. I'm saying. Right oregon smirk and respond in kind and just like shower the person with kindness if he wants to take any have more important things to do than worry about some dude sit in new yorker are brooklyn. Who doesn't like lebron james or james so what yeah so what you're never gonna. I doubt you're buying the person of beer anytime soon. So who cares what they think. I'm with you. i just don't understand his. I've never now listen every now and again you'll see an athlete like when aunt ones people suggests. Why is this guy always hurt as if the athlete wants to be hurt. Did you see how rian respond he was. He went on an instagram rant. Because they're talking about fantasy and being hurt all the time as if being banged up. Right hampton exile. Really none of us players care about your fantasy team players. I mean i think players get a little too hot and bothered by things if they do well they bought it about madden to calm down. That people are just. They're doing something they enjoy your sport right. Yeah if there's a couple of people that say something you get hurt. Just ignore them. Like sixty million people playing fantasy football. It's kind of been a big reason. Why the nfl gotten so huge. So there's no question part of the it really does slap in the face actually get paid more because there's so much interest in its generated. The average fans crazy interest interest in it. But when i get why players get you know if you've been banged up all of a sudden you keep fantasy and they're they're constantly grinding on you. It's like saying you wake up especially when you're losing like they aren't san francisco right now. You're like dude enough. I don't care about your team so you fight back and then you realize you wake up the next day saying one battle that woulda went away. Quicker just said hey man. You're hope you got your ass kicked this week and keep it moving and let it go not even respond. People are just fans are fans for reprints. The word fanatic. Okay i understand it. But i just have not james this case. I don't know why he's so it's like he's he never. At least it appeared to me. He never used to be the guy whose eyes were big on twitter or instagram. And ooh on it. He never posted he. Just he kind of did james's mysterious hit here in houston. Now what's he gonna do. Honestly what is he going to do. Let's just say. We wake up on saturday the day after christmas and the dude got shipped to charlotte gonna show up ball and be professional right but he's not going to be professional professional right about about that shot. It's about he. According to eighty like right now he may go shoot more and score. Forty a game okay. That's fine but you know there's a really good chance james. There's two places you ain't get one for sure you ain't getting shipped and that's to the guys that are playing golden state tonight correct the brooklyn. We also know now that the miami heat are definitely out. They said that they're not pursuing. Okay so philadelphia. I'm not the one that out. 'cause daryl's aaron who knows hell you never know what if all the sudden ben simmons comes out honestly shoot or opposite comes out what's worse. Yeah oh well then no did fill it out. Ok well they might want to ramp it up but he looks horrible. Got right so. I don't wanna miss. I will not for i. Just don't i. don't want. Ben simmons right not not not for. If vince simmons could shoot like if brinson could shoot like on us yeah twenty eight twenty nine percent considerably like russ hate to say it me and the dress shoes in a suit could probably out shoot him from three point. I mean a minute just fact. It's just fact so he is. But i don't know i still don't believe hard finishes the season here. I want to believe it. But i don't believe it. No i think we're almost pat united. there's that threshold. say once. jump over at come back. I almost feel not major damage. I almost like mentally. We can't come back. What happens if they go out. Go torture earth early on in the season like their top three in the west. Here's why here's why he stays not because he's happy and not because he's still he'll still want out is because now there's the value goes up the price to get him goes out of people say we can't afford it not only just the money that you gotta pay him and the extension you're going to have to put on him fifty million a year but also the fact that oh you wanted to a really good player too good players in two first rounders on the low and then they're going to say now we want to start her. We'd like another dude. And you won't be three first rounders if james averaging thirty six and they're twenty one and eight i. I can't see because then the rockets now james holds. He'll he'll zero cards out is this. He plays like that heald's less cards because it's the better. He plays the he's force. It has asked to stay here and the worst he plays the boards got pissed off. And it's going to be like oh man you don't wanna go out if you're leaving dough clout like that. That's all i say. Go out with people saying the thing. Like i don't care. At the end of the daily. I was fined after the season. And i said we train them. We talked about on the show but like it's the way he's handled like don't you don't go out like this. This is how you go out go out with. I love grace unfortunate. Didn't work out. This has been my home. You know even let them know that. Hey man once. I retire and a rocket. Okay just because they've been good to hear man rates just you don't need to burn that bridge you don't not that he has but just as i know but it's not even out loud just it's just as approach to it. I would think there's just got to be a better way to handle on your way out the door. He in a great example. For how to not be professional to me that i couldn't agree more is just. I don't think you have to always go out in a blaze of glory. Right you know loud and and antagonizing your wet. It's okay to go out. Say you know what i mean. Hell hell of a run here ended. It's one of the guys. he's getting gotten rid of. Look chris paul when he was out policy for two years. Everybody loved chris. Paul chris paul should have been pissed off. Dog cussing saying telling stories to people in the media left and right and when he took out i think he took it up at page in the paper said thank you. I mean two years and chris paul wall two years here for eight and given the frigging world. Well chris paul was given the the like the put it this way. James got all the great gifts at christmas time. Yeah chris paul got some good gifts. James james harden got all of the christmas gifts and it's still pissed off and then it's the older mature child is like the christmas is about love that about gift giving and i want to thank everybody for welcoming me and treating me well and i'm headed out the door okay. Cool james is like. I don't want to thank anybody. I've had it out of here because you don't what i want. More would else he wanted. You want more. Guess what you guess what we want here. The ring on the finger you can do that. And if you're gonna go out just go out with a very you know. Thank you very much. Lower the cap love ya see down the road in the meantime while we wait. Go play your ass off exactly sportstalk. Seven coming back. This show will roll fast. We got so much to discuss from. Ben roethlisberger pittsburgh steelers guys. They're on the. Seth joyner and i talked this week outside the linebacker in philly and he said on a show that i talked to him with this week. He said he thinks they're done and they're playing like it and they did this without burrowed at cincinnati last night because you've got to be concerned about pittsburgh and the jets and the response to winning the game sports doc. Seven ninety a lot to talk about here in houston coaches at some point. We're going to get a new coach and we'll see that. Is sean salisbury. Show the sean salisbury show continued. I sportstalk seven. Ninety can be starts tonight. I know hoste still doesn't feel does. It feels very very weird. Let let's roll through a couple of days. Adam silver said. You can't require players to get vaccine and that's the truth and you will be able to force them to do any of that. That should be on them. but he also thinking suggesting it but let's number twenty three and one of the things we have to consider. And by the way. Congratulations to my son dylan. Who has a great gig. As a chef in new orleans and baton rouge was offered to be the head to be the chef for the phoenix suns. Joining the nba fraternity is and he leaves in about a week. He accepted the job and he will be the phoenix suns chef their new facility. You saw mc it's phenomenal isn't it did you. Did you see acid trump incredibly nominal. And so he will be the chef of the phoenix suns. And i think it's awesome that dan he didn't know the job was available and they had he got contacted and kind of nice. I told him to have options when he made a decision. So thinking about the nba and the protocols and thing you always got to prepare for this to but people got eat. It's a good thing my son. He's he's going to be the chef of the phoenix suns. and i'm excited for him And speaking of that then you ask the possibility of postponing. Let's hope that that doesn't happen for anybody jobs and safety. But here's what adam silver said twenty three about the possibility of postponement because well it's an nba season and and the the covance still exists. Is it possible that the season kept Of course i mean you know. Nobody can predict precisely the trajectory of this virus. I mean it's it's been terrible. Frankly and hundreds of thousands of lives have been lost just the united states and it continues to rage in many ways and this is something very new that we're doing Again watching closely. What's happening the nfl and baseball. And they're doing baseball didn't incredible job under the circumstances and so is the nfl now but does are outdoor sports during stadiums just as when we went into the bubble. We couldn't be sure how things would play out. Now that we're trying something new an indoor sport. You know again different protocols that we haven't had in place. Before i wouldn't be acting responsibly. i wouldn't be acting responsibly. I said it's just full steam ahead no matter what having said that based on our experience in the bubble we have a fair degree of confidence in our approach. And here's what he also said about. Covid nineteen vaccinations with the apparently. You know we've seen a wave of them come out what's that mean for the nba. We're somewhat in the dark. Not unlike most people certainly know. There's there's no way we would ever jump the line i in in any form whatsoever And for the most part because our players are young and healthy without some sort of co morbidity they will not be a high priority for vaccinations. I mean there are some other members of the community working in a court who are older and we'll have a higher priority to get the vaccine. But as i said i mean we will. I think very likely be part of some public service. Campaigns already talked to the cdc in other mental agencies about that encouraging people to get vaccinated when it is appropriate but up. Till then as i said well we'll just be watching and waiting. What do you guys think we. We're not listen. I'm not the cdc. None of us are were that doctors although every now and then we try to play one day at a holiday inn express. Exactly right dr I don't know anything about their player. I i would assume judging for the fact that i see politicians get vaccinations. Even if it's nancy pelosi and the the cap still on the shot taken the the bubby. It's okay to remove it just to pretend like there's a needle there but i'd go beyond being serious we see on tv the pub of like. I think it's the old virtue of the optics of we're getting it right health healthwise whatever and i by no means. We'll tell everybody's got their own decision to make an always should have their own decision to make when it comes to stuff like that problem getting. I'm just gonna let you guys do a few runs of this. I here's what i say. Fz i say you know what i it. Here's i i want all the people that are higher risk. Yeah that's the most of them to take down the road from ray dot higher risks to get sick from the vaccine. I'm talking about higher risk from cova. The need didn't yeah the vaccine. You guys going to try it. Young middle on that works out to about a year to have tell me how the as long as you're not growing a second head you're not belong wizard of oz three or to you know follow. The yellow brick road changes colors. I'm okay. I'll listen but yeah right now you go ahead. But the higher risk and truth the higher risk should get it. Yeah they deserve it. They do people that are in risk situations first responders folks that are older folks that are in place. I'm okay with that hundred percent of the nba players. They're young they're healthy than statistics. Say if we save follow the science that they're going to be okay at can wait a little bit right. That's exactly right so with that but then again we also know that stars and celebrities and they seem to have stuff than than the normal human being who may need it more at the time. Regardless do you think okay. I got them seventy two games. Are we getting all of them in i. Do we have enough. Like i mentioned that we have enough example from the other leagues that they're playing all the games. Why can't you play games right that. Just be you wanting to shutdown bingo tyler. I think so as well. And i think they've learned to from other luke specifically how to reschedule games to move around a little bit if they absolutely and the truth is with the la- lack of numbers meaning players. You got to move. The nba is should be the easiest. They get their plan. You know why well it should be the easiest from the standpoint of a team and everything but that's where you controlled but the players that break protocol talking about the easiest to control the virus easiest to schedule a game. oh hell and worse comes to worse. They've done it smart. They've only schedule half the season for for the reason of. Hey we're going to have postponements grant things later. I'm thinking about think about it. Let's all of a sudden. Say you're playing in. Indy can getting ready to play the the pacers and they have coating. You're worried about their building and all sudden but they they don't have whatever and all of a sudden Wherever you are saying you say well. They're not looking good. California in one county says no one you say well. There's no college arena. Hell low today lasalle high school gym. Hell you can play an nba game if you had to. I'm being serious. June jim in a nice high school jam it. Let's say let's california out of it because you can't even walk across street in california if you're in arizona right you can't play with sons play or if you're in in philly and let you on their take yourself to chaperone high you've ever driven site playing football here if you're a college team and you couldn't play at the college the berry center out there and cy fair twenty thousand not twenty price. Sixteen thousand seat arena. There are some other some colleges it would say man what am katie. As stadium they play. I think the southland conference at the katie basketball arena for the conference tournament. There right you head out to dug out of your football team. You can't play in your endow than dallas. You can't play any those. All we'll just bought that new mckinney facilities like an eighty million dollar stadium. That looks like when you drive by your playing in a big twelve city right or a big twelve state basketball same way. And don't mean it that they would but you do have the ability to clean a smaller gym if you still ten foot hot yup. It's still the same length if you had to unlike stadium and getting people if you had to. So i'm with you i tyler. I think that every we'll play all seventy two. Yeah i mean they're going to have postponements. There's no way they're non. Yeah that's and that's okay. It's fine that's okay. That's why they believe you know you in the season. Even though we started late they can get in real quick. Tyler hit Erik gordon on haven't fans back in the arena number. Fourteen air gord said about we talked about colbert and get some fans back in there as well definitely If it's definitely strange you know it's hard to play games without fans. They bring a different kind of energy and motivation. For you and It'd be good. Hopefully aid increases fast. But you know i know. We'll have fans of the game but You know it's always good play in front of fans because they bring a different entity will we have will. We have full see. We have full arena before the basketball. Season's over no. I don't think so. They twenty twenty two. Yeah that's our first chains. I went to the game. That last preseason game the other night against the spurs and it was family and friends invite thing that they did and that was An i don't know how they just give tickets so it's whatever it was. It was nice to be. I was asked this question yesterday like you. Did you notice it during the game that there were so few people. Because it's probably i think they were allowing to five hundred but is probably three hundred people and i said no because you kinda get engaged in the game and you don't really notice it right but i can't imagine what they'll even those players it's weird. It's weird being they. They had the top section all curtained-off to where you couldn't see right and in the bottom was just kind of femina highschool jeff. You wanted to just having it back from that. I can't imagine nice. It's going to manage to have a few people right. Think that we'll have fans in the stands and basketball and it'll increase as the season goes on but maybe depending well. We don't make the decisions but for the optics or health. You may not see till twenty twenty two season before arenas are full. The we can only hope that sometime in may that all of a sudden hey playoffs around. Let's put them all it. It'd be great. We'll see we'll come back and discuss big next sportstalk seven hundred back. This is the sean salisbury shown. Get back at it question. Just one question. I ask one question. The big one and the big question of the day. On the sean salisbury. Show all right. Let's do this. Let's get some predictions in. Nba's most valuable player. This year is our poll question. The big one. Gimme four names. The is obviously ron. So you go ahead and learn how to go ahead and spell that one g. i. a. in an is. I know that's right about the last l. a. n. t. Yeah lots along too. I think i'm saying it right onto kupa. Yeah it's like trying to say when we first started saying tag up by lower than we knew what was it. Went to tonga vilo. There's an anonymity which is just because the the you know how to pronounce them sounds cnn. But there's an ad in there somewhere so we got your on us. We got ron. Yeah he has to be in there. Not broadly bron from kraft put anthony davis and katie. I think old people are going to want to vote for him. Kate yeah i agree it comes out and has a great season and anybody can put other. They want know if they wanna throw in their guy. I mean you gotta start to you know. There's some really phenomenal players. But i would think you're going to get somebody that those steph curry in there. You'll get some you some. I'm sure damian lillard type of votes you're gonna get all. How do we leave luke of this me and he looks too fat to me early on with repeat and a half shaming just be intruded. It'd be honest here. They go see pictures then he said. I'm not a muscular guy. Like he didn't come into camping shape thick with to seize or cnn. K probably the same category. I if i was the mavericks i would not be all that happy right. He's in the west a little more difficult to win. Mvp because there's more competent. He he's gonna end up top five in scoring he'll be in the mix but unless they'd out in their top three seat. I'm just. I'm not gonna pick okay. We got the two names for sure. Gotta go in there janas and bron right then. It's that has to be don't you think. Katie has to be in there to to katy or luca. Tyler be the deciding vote. Ooh kb katie orca. Just others the fourth option. You could put that way it leaves it open all right. So do we go. Then we take Do we take off it and go. Katie lebron lebron and janas and then put other and if they want to put a d. or luca in there because then it prevents us from putting two guys on the same team. How's that to go go. Katie janas lebron and then other and they can come up with luka dame or or Whoever they want so that'll be our poll question. Do you guys have any thoughts man. This i think the k. d. one is a very real like i would probably pick him today without seeing play just from the standpoint of he's coming back from an injury. The media's got fall in love with the darling of having katie back here next georiga average. What i mean. Thirty average twenty seven a games. He looked good in the freezing and he may be mean mugging his way. All the way. Seventy two games a mean mug and when he gets roman east. I mean it's an easier conference He averaged his last season. Gold state average twenty six games scoring went down when he went there. Obviously because i went down a little much other guys. But i mean he's had seasons of thirty and thirty two points per game for. I don't think it'd be pushing thirty two but it wouldn't shock. He's out there putting in thirty a game so good that he's so he's just so frigging good. He really is right. Yeah he could take you off the catch and shoot. He can put take you off the dribble at the top of the circle. We see we saw that in the bears. How they're going to manage. How many is it gonna play a game or minutes. Yeah i don't you know that they're out they won't be stupid to not do load management and stuff and i don't know if the number one seed really matters to them in the east and that may i am not only wouldn't matter. It doesn't seem like it doesn't seem like it's like a top priority that if it came down to give him rest in five games worry limited minutes as opposed to being the two seed instead of the one without arenas really matter may not do could shoot not on a chain link net that we play on out and outdoor playground. Yeah so tyler who you got. So you're gonna stick with katie. i'll stick with katie. It's not the safest bigger though. I think the safest pig of those that you mentioned it's honestly still gonna he's gonna put up stupid numbers which is in the nba. Writers love him. When's the last time we had a guy when the mvp three straight years jordan. Eberle half larry bird wanted. Did larry. What at three times. But i don't think it was three in a row at least two times. I don't know i don't know the last guys won't three times in a row. Ron didn't lebron's get one to two times. To deter steve nash. when it twice in a rough. Tim duncan two years back to back. Jordan didn't even want to three years in national back to back national tobacco. Lebron than nash has got to be the most bird one three years or any last heirs. What that's okay. So that's the one. Three forty forty five eighty five. Eighty six okay. So that's why. I said. I know larry bird at one to three times but i didn't know if it was three in a row but he did go bit. Did he wanted a four time or those. All three justice three. That's finished second. I think a handful. Like the old and ryan style but all three of his were backed by okay so he's the last three in a row. Winter is janas. Pull it off tyler who you got. I think the safe pick is also jaanus however just for the sake of fun. I will throw in a dark horse now. Let me guess what conference. East or west west mike trout. Because you're an angel. Fan would love to see his philip z. Devon booker actually booker is that. That's my darkhorse. dark horse. Eight seed seven seat average and thirty a game. I thought was i think. Top five scorers in the league. You're going to be what was westbrook. Born at the year. They were six seed. And i think he was like in the lowest seed ever to get it but also also average a triple double. Yeah you gotta be like top five booker average thirty a game this year. Yes or no no twenty eight. I'd say twenty five score the league. Yeah close ca- yeah. He could be but probably close leads. The league in scoring harden easy choice james. Yeah matter what the situation is. I think he's gonna score case already plus again so stepping outside the box. You giving me a booker. Giving me leads the you're gonna go with katie. take katie. yeah. I don't wanna i don't wanna choose you honest and i don't want us to easy and it'll be a lot of people that think like you that voting that it's too easy that we've voted him two years in a row right right. Let's move on. Yeah right and it's wrong for the voting process. If he's the best player they tend to do that. Yeah ever james. He said well okay now that he got his this move onto the next dude right. Nothing but luca mentions. Of course i was gonna say luca or a d. I'm gonna go with Let me go with. Anthony davis on the lakers. It's a good call. I'll take him off tonight. Davis lebron's going to sit back and let him do his thing this year. A lot and lebron mid twenties average. May there's a part of me that they get thirty game. Don't you lebron. The you'd like to lead the league. One time in assists he did last. That's right he did. didn't he. In the bubble right no overall. But i'm talking about the counting the bubble. I've just retired seasons right over eleven. I thought he was between eleven and twelve. That's right. This is the first time he's ten two but he's still led the league right at one twenty five points per game at one point during the year. He was over eleven. I think average okay. So that's right. I remember and i thought wouldn't it be kind of cool for a guy to finally say i've been doing all the scoring. I can still score but also my passing. Because he really is great basketball point guard right so he does right through the bubble he did lead it so that when you look back i wondered. That'll be one of those awards you say you know you guys always called me a score and all that but i led the league in assists which is pretty cool. So one thing. I'll james harden today. We love to him but had a season just like that too. I mean he didn't have the go win the title. But the your mike d'antoni came over here. They said eight assists a game. The average like ten or eleven. He led the league in assists. This first day antonis first season here. Oh did he realized it was like way over ten so he led the league he led the league and per game was in the twenty two thousand sixteen two thousand seventeen average eleven point to assist per game which is shocking and still is averaging almost thirty a game at that time he averaged twenty nine point one point being there. I knew he was already i for some reason. I thought he was between like eight nine assists but he led with every year. Since then he's been eight seven and a half seven and a half but still but still really good ever led the league in scoring also at another time near crew to lead. The league in assists tells me something. Yeah it does it does great basketball iq and great vision and the ability to anticipate so. I'm so we got an ab a booker and a k d. None of us chose lebron. None of us chose janas luka doncic i understand why people are gonna put him other because at some point he's winning one just depends on win and how good they shoot the three this year because that's the one that he's been horrible three point shooter. He's got the shot the stroke that looks like okay. He can chew he could go on a back. Tobacco type run as well. Yeah sports talk seven hundred. Poll question pusey. Nba's most valuable player as we kick off the season tonight. Sports talk seven ninety godless. Listen to sean. Hallsberg holstered chun salisbury. Sports socks they ninety your home us homeadvisor's baseball a couple will we have for the nba season. Will we have a major trade involving a superstar in the nba. This year during eighty season. Yes major trade involving a superstar. Even if he's not james you have to say yes just from the james possibility. Okay tyler yes. That's without a doubt. There isn't a james harden trade who would it be okay. Let's say it's not james superstar trade. When i say superstar a big time name trade odds are probably no. I'm just trying to think of one off the top of my head that would get moved. Aren't paul george and kawhi leonard. Both on the last year of their deal or paul george. He's got her. They can't trade him all this year. But co i believe had two years on his. Yeah but why would. He worked so hard to get to california. While going down in rancho santa fez my question he pops on the either. The trainer and his car makes that drive because he's still drive. That old beat up tara taller. Whatever i think by now. He's probably because he wants to turn it in see last videos. He gets driven by somebody in his rolls royce. Well i was gonna say somebody drives him so he can study or do whatever doing philip rivers member when he was playing the chargers driving that van and drive there. He'd study in the morning. They pick him up in a custom van de tv's to watch tape and and and you know what it's like a lot of times like the morning news like when bryant gumbel or when the morning news anchors were live out connecticut the service picks them up and as preparing for their morning show. They're up to thirty or three. They're driving in for all their notes from the night before preparing for their show. So somebody else. Hey listen if you've gotta drive in and somebody could do it at you get work done. Have at it. If you're a leonard and you can have in the teams will lead to. Hey we'll just pick him up every day and drive them home. That's hell of a drive to los angeles from san diego in traffic. I'd rather take the train the train a buck forty again. I know it's coming up on a year but when you just helicopter or take a little time or sieber staples is. There's some high rises that you could walk across the street. Crab yourself a high-rise also he's got to come into practice. I just doesn't make sense to me. That's my thing is a whole thing. I got to believe he's either got. The team gets a hotel suite. Or something right or i would think or. He's got a high rise apartment or something right you practice walk crossley come on man. I mean i understand in two days off you pop back home to your house. If there's no bubble. And you do all that in san diego google. But i would assume that you have to have a high rise or something. They're june t. Tyler's you hear about that when you were there about by when you were in los angeles about the did he says here. The twenty nineteen december twenty nineteen. He bought a penthouse at la life. What i just will run across streets. So what i say. Go get yourself. There's only six point seven to five million. Get yourself penthouse high rise rights carlton residents not. That's a discount right call to not too far from what some of the famous hotel there that the we see in the hotel and all the movies. They're tighter with the glass hotel. Right there off a one ten. Oh the it's what everybody knows an idea. If you know the one i'm talking about it used to be the place and now but la lives right down there not too far from it right. It's literally the ritz carlton residents. Is that what it got the pensa residents. So guess what he gets to do not even have to have anybody drive them from there. You can down the elevator walk. Cross-strait i didn't really love walking across the street. That's just me you guys probably tell me i'm stupid. It just seems like it was a different. It's not the worst part of town but it's not the best right no no. It isn't the bed where where my school is. A little more difficult bartow at driving through here but they're now do you think. La live area now is in a place you feel like you just. You're not comfortable walking a lot of go back two decades or and let me tell you something now and there's one of my favorite restaurant if you've been to the pantry yet tyler. I have not that is one else never went to. Oh my god created some restaurant in. La pantry is like is phenomenal. And it's downtown. It's a great place to go some of the best food on the planet the pantry. I would imagine choir any of those guys when you want great breakfast late night pop in you know after and there's got some of the best food on the plant old school been there for. I believe it's still cash only abc. It has been forever since they're fading taxes cash i mean pantry so that was pre covid pantry cash only but a great place but yeah i figured he'd have a seven million dollar penthouse someplace. Close all you had to do is go down the elevator and walk across street and he can play bass so there's that okay we'll we have a we all think we ate in. La live at. Tom's watch bar. Tom's urban i don't know what the hell whatever the hell it was. It was an ally time. They're to be beverly and rampart. Is we talked about. Get yourself a tommy's burger and fries You'll you will thank me later. Your buttle thank you later too. But i'm never looking forward to that. You're buttle thank you immediately but the food you'll thank me later for the taste of it. Why did you say eight man. I gotta come back here off. The and the pantry also is a phenomenal place. And you gotta go to roscoe's chicken and waffles which is the best chicken waffles in the world. I love chain close. So there's a lot of their because right across the street. I would imagine that you don't make it a commute to practice every day. So hey you know what just grabbing at seven million dollars penthouse for the hell of it. So i don't have to walk far. Not a bad gig when you're making eight billion dollars. Yeah he's doing real quick and it will come back. I want to discuss this more before. We stick it out december fifteen. Will we have a thirty six points per game score this year now. Now i don't think so. Well we have a seventy point game this year that i'm going to say yes. I actually am just doesn't happen that often as i go. Look when's the last seventy point game we had was Didn't how many book get against the celtics that was like three years ago. Now wha- what seventy one or seventy one right. We've had a couple of sixty. We've had a handful of sixty pointers. I'm saying we'd get the seventy somebody gets a seven and may vary. James got like sixty. Three last year is is is. It may be a guy like booker. it's going to be a guy who gets on one of those we said last year did it. Okay so will we have. Thirty rebound game See last year we had. We had to sixty. We had one two three four five games of fifty nine or more in the nba. And they were all james harden damian lillard lil damian lillard had to sixty one point game one in the bubble one nine the bubble and then hard and had a head to head a sixty in november lillard heads sixty in november and hard and had a fifty nine and in october. I'm thank god. I must say yes. We're getting the seventy tyler. You yes. I'm going to say yes. And i'm going to say it's gonna come from trae young good call by you. I mean health since since the year two thousand nineteen started. There's only been one player. Outside of james harden and damian lillard that scored fifty eight points in a game who was devon booker. He had fifty nine. he's capable. He had his seventy and twenty seventeen last time. We've had seventy chris. Paul gets him his on the spot. He may get a at somebody. I must say. I may hell the stretch between the seventy point games. The last to get more than seventy before booker was kobe. Side doesn't happen very well. This year will and one before we go to break seven thirty rebound game this year. I could see that from. Anthony davis easily. Yes somebody's gonna get that. I had to go look at the thirty bound. Guarantee you know wanted to go on average eighteen rebounds a game this year now. Fifteen fifteen fifteen. Yeah there's always. I think i think drummond average fifteen last year like yeah. We'll anybody average nobody. Nobody close to the eighteen to twenty range. No okay and then finally we have anybody. Averaging fifteen from last year average fifteen point to the league. I thought i said mid mid fifteenth will average fifteen assists a game this year. Now now twelve. I think westbrook probably still pull that off somebody with nash. D'antoni might good chris. Paul might be able to pull that off too. Yeah with scores. That got the confederate. You've got this is one thing. He's made the team but his assist numbers have been going down. who's at. Oh chris ball. Yeah all right sports. Talk seven hundred. We'll continue some. What if fs and we'll stick it out and we will discuss the texas got cincinnati. Sure is that who the just beat the bingo. They beat meet the steelers on longer winning streak. They are sports. Talk seven ninety bill. Beg johnson french. Also very this is the sean salisbury. Show sportstalk seven ninety. Schon sows show. Will we have a twenty five assists game this year. That one's a big no twenty assist. Got it handful of times looking up the andrew bynum as mc looked up last thirty rebound game now before him was why it said was kevin love. You said thirty six game yet. Twenty-five assists twenty. Six game last guy to do it was in twenty seventeen. He is he's currently a hawk. He's a new hawk who they just this offseason dip. Would they get. He was a champion last year. A foreign rhonda rajon rondo rondo. Show with the pelicans so we did. Twenty seventeen twenty five assists cash center forgetting getting it. Give him to go back to that are nineteen ninety-six get last twenty five assist game. It was in dallas mavericks in ninety six. The dot j. kid jake kid so twenty. Six games don't happen though. They as mike perry room look. Look deep down that list for sega's micheal ray. Richardson on their number. You guys too young to remember him. He had a lot of drug problems but was frigging. I'll say oh diseased. How bad and the rebound reut tarpley ever remember that name. I remember the name lot of drug issues. Unfortunately as well do when he came out of college he. Twenty five rebound. That's why i look him up. Tarpley was monster now but he couldn't stay clean and it ruined his career guy was so good and he and michael. Richardson were both. Richardson was a guard. Played for new jersey old school. Guys that are listening will know i'm talking about. He was a phenomenal talent. Drugs said his career back in and then tarpley drugs are bad. Yes tarpley was the double double guy a. I'll be honest with you dude. He was couldn't shoot as well. But as far as physicality and like a kevin love dud jacked up version. He was a monster but he got he had some trouble with some some substance issues. I believe in and couldn't stay clean but he was that you saw the twenty five rebound. That's right. I keep forgetting rondo. I knew he's he's with now with trae young in run to the point. Trae young in young's appoint garbage rondo with him around the court at the same time. Get into bought he. You're right. He may hit seventy this year he could mean he throws up to two thousand seventeen when ronald got his twenty five. Yeah the last guy to do in the last before it was kid ninety six. So we've been we've been a bit. Yeah pretty rondos on this. Listen why he has a lot of twenty assist games all ten one and twenty twelve another one in two thousand twelve another one in twenty twelve another one in two thousand twelve one. I forget for fifteen and twenty sixteen is a member of the kings. I forgot he's a king. He has always been a pass first. Point guard yes. He can't shoot and he always seems to elevate and find out. I mean in in the postseason and got himself and other rents he having outlook and all of these lists There's one guy that appears on the rebound list top ten rebound list and rebounds per game multiple times. Do you think you know who it is. Yeah moses malone iraq it who of the top ten list you mean ten most rebounds in a game. There's only one guy that appears multiple times in the top ten. Oud david robinson. David nope dig it. Oh it's wilt chamberlain note. Well he only averaged twenty six rebounds a game on year twenty six point three good twenty six rebounds a game Okay so i'll take a stab. Dennis rodman dennis rodman is the answer. Should know four times. In the time i was my next choice was going to be charles barkley because both of those entrees can you name who has the most rebounds in a game ever nba. This does not count abia. We'll chamberlain somebody out. Aba stats nba. Isn't when he averaged fifty fifty points and twenty six rebounds a game and the da right nba. Okay because we go back like artists gilmore. See okay so the question is how many who's average what who had the most rebounds in a game ever in the his nba history. How how far back we gotta go. You have to go back to lay. Eighty eighty eight eastern conference now. One moses was no food while he was in philadelphia now Named guy how 'bout tree rollins This guy you do not want to fight it has to be than it's easy it's one of the pistons now is it wasn't Remarry not have probably gonna fight wars. No wasn't true center or powerful true center center right. Yeah yeah all that. how about. I know wallace center powerless. He was he was listed as a power for but he wants. He's listens wallace wallace. Who was a center for. Wasn't it wallet. Who was a center for detroit. All his years in wallace. No this is the eighties all that because he came thousands. Who had wallace for the for the pistons. Yeah what's his left. I been wall then wallace avenue. So this is this time. So this is what i we'll have. Dave counts. no chief perish kevin mchale. No you wanna team no. I don't wanna team. We're going to do this until we get to now. Don't give me the eastern conference eastern conference. Okay here. i say ben. Wallace eighty nine hundred ninety. Two thousand back to eighty eight just like when people die you know but but wall had to have twenty plus rebounds a bunch of times okay Is this guy played for this team. Bill cartwright from eighty five through this eighty eight season. Bill cartwright now eastern conference. I'll get you may give you this other teams and not the team that he didn't knicks pat ewing boisterous and was like briefly for seven games a rocket at the end of his career. When jeff van gundy was here. I'm trying to come on man and a true center. Now he's powerful center. they let them in both. It's not yao ming. That was way later. you're in the year way last. I sent away late. I just thought names and he did it. Where do you do it until it. Okay gimme the team chicago luc. Longley not bill cartwright not will purdue and not Who's a bill wennington. Charles oakley charles oakley. Oh my gosh you said you didn't wanna fight him. I should have known that to what i said. rick mahorn. my next should've said charge local. You said the new york. Knicks should charles oakley at thirty five rebounds and eighty eight nne game. Matter-of-fact did wanna fight. The only to name should have been charles. Oakland rick mahorn at first back in the when you mentioned eighty. That's a no brainer. Don't wanna fight. No ask james charles oakley right. How could we miss that. That's so horrible. Why yeah oh really. Why sat there and let me throw forty eight names on. You weren't even born yet okay. So yes oakley. Why did i come up with that. It's it's early and he didn't do that with chicago chicago. Yeah and eighty eight. So us on. mike's teams. Yeah i mean. I know he was on jordan team but he did it when jordan was part of that. I didn't know you had thirty five. That's the nba record. That does not include. It'd be most stats key include nba right but i just went nba. Aba either be wilder like artists gilmore. Artis gilmore had to have thirty rebounds in a game at some point or twenty five had to daniel back on the denver. Nuggets days did when he said fight. How the world did i leave. Charles oakley out. I go to mahorn. I and the truth is walkie and while oakland mahorn bad asses. I'd take oakley in the fight off charles oakley right now kick. Somebody's ass current over current players. Be i would agree. Oakley i would've never big rebound. I would've never thought thirty five but he was just one of those dudes nasty. There's underside and he wasn't true. Seven footer oakley six nine. Maybe six ten maybe shows guys. Let's position that's why robin and barkley were so good at it too right. He's listed six eight. Which means you probably six seven. Yeah in truth so not even six nine or six ten. We'll stake it out. Next ben wallace nine hundred eighty grey-haired rain one of the great the great frozen yes. One of the great froze ever in the headband. To go with it I'll tell you. Checkout artis gilmore fro when he played frigging phenomena guy lookout. this one. darnell. I mean hilliard. Was at darnell hilliard. Back at old. Ab ab guys at the best. After all come back dock was not players need to wear. I couldn't agree more sports. Talk seven ninety. You do not wanna fight chuck oakley you do wanna fight guanglie though right. You're by shawn bradley. Two dice ford stocks seventy. But i like it. We're coming right back. Stay next high fastball mice. because junior and astros. You're listening to sean salisbury. On sports talk seven nine lance mccullers out about the performance. Your home for houston. Astros baseball sean here now. The cells for stakeout steakhouse on the sean salisbury. Show sports talk. Seven hundred happy holidays christmas week. Join now steve old off this week but we get a guy that we love visit with. I know i do and appreciate him. Taking time At a busy time not only with the playoffs with holidays and family. Sam monson. He's elite. Nfl for pro football focus lead. Nfl analyst joins us here on the sean south for the next segment. Oh am i a little early. You're adding minutes early. Yeah sam. Good to talk to you sean. I'm not here yet for fifteen minutes. I actually. I'm sitting here looking thinking about okay. I got some things in. Because you and i were just talking yeah. I don't know how much time i really want to spend on the texans. we're staking it out. I'm not even listening to the open. And i'm introducing to our stakeout sam monson sam's like it's okay if sam was listening on the radio. He's like Shod guys. I supposed to be there for seven fifteen. Yeah tyler. nice job. My bad this is called the stakeout. Not the sam. Monson pro football focus. Fifteen minutes from now Do you think i'm yes. Yeah we got an show tomorrow. You go all right See what you got. Let's this thing. Okay let's just go ahead and get back. To james harden briefly the miami heat have reportedly ended their pursuit of james harden. Do you believe it. Yes or no i believe it be. I'll tell you why. I believe and i believe it because the hierarchy. I don't think they think james fits their culture. I believe that too. He's a he'd be a horrible fit pat riley wouldn't play it for very long riley would lose it on t. Payrolls almost eighty year old man. Now right and guess what still won't back off all hell seventy five now. Yeah and dude. The hairstyle perfectly slicked back. Yeah oh well. He's still look awesome and pat brown. The golf shirts fit better than everybody. Else's just his pat riley right. She's the he's one of those guys. It's always going to be cool. People don't remember him when he played for the rockets. What's that yeah. When he was at the lakers draft about the romanian coach we had a at the san diego had they invited. The discolored was the superstar camper invited the top hundred high school basketball players in the country and the san diego rockets selected him with the several sixty seven. Nba draft. He never played in houston. He played three years of the rockets. The san diego rockets. There you know who else was supposed to be playing with. Bill walton member of the old san diego arena. And so but we aren't the superstar camp in point loma. The top hundred players in the country pat riley came and put on a clinic and taught at it did and it was one of those. Even the did you're scared. Scared to death. Yeah this is pat riley and this was what in the eighties in so it was like root before all the show before revenue i take that back was seventy nine or before. It all really kicked. It even became the pat right but he was at grinding. People didn't get to watch him play. He was at picture who who's a point. Guard that diving on the floor. That just wants to fight you. But you know who who's. Who's my guard for the guard. The used to play for the indiana pacers lot of assists white boy Like yeah yeah. Played for a bunch of teams. You know who. I'm talking about Tough guy went onto coach. Take a look yes maybe not in the nba. But he he's been code. He was a mullins. No not correspond. Let's say but he was a he played in the league but similar scrapper diving on the floor. Fight you. if you that it'll it'll come to me. Well we'll look it up. We'll do we'll take another break. You'll know who i'm talking about. When i say his name another guy who would get you. Fifteen seventeen assists in a game white boy. No the reason i say that could you say well fight you. Scrabble thinking of pat riley grinder. Like that You guys talk about new premature balding. Scott scott i named styles. Yeah he was see. Memory still serves me right. He kind of liked that. You know what i'm saying. Yeah tough just you kind of a magic right okay. So when we're scott scott. But and i and i get what i'm saying is not as the lake. I've just had just because i think personality. He was on the team that lost. The rockets have been played for a handful. I missed before we ever seven. When he was a solid player but he was a skulls that he would like look like he wanted to fight you all the time. Yeah reason i say it. Riley was like that people that only know him. As a coach he was grinding. Tough guys player but point is that he was there so he won't do and his personality about that has never changed so to answer your question even louder than the first time culture fit it never. That's completely different than or spoelstra wants. I believe why would you try to fix something. That ain't broke. They just need another piece. And i don't think it's hard i'm with. I'll actually be surprised that they tore that apart to get him i would. I don't think pat riley style. All right tyler. What you got brother. So we're going to stick on the nba train. Real quick scott's scott. i knew i met pacer. He played for the pacers man. How many teams he played for like six five or six teams crew. Wasn't that long. No layer some really good seasons For the bucks pacers for two. He was the son he wasn't was he. He's five seasons in orlando. He was a bullet and then he was a seventy sixer. There you go play in. Greece are no longer allowed to when the capital bullets of the washington bullets. You'll never hear that name again for. It's great name. Yeah back the their uniforms back in the day wizards leap to a week. All right what. Would you got tyler staying on the what on the nba train. So i saw something over the weekend and apparently a lot of other people saw this and we're not happy. Acne davis was caught on the sideline cutting his toenails. Happy about it. I thought it was absolutely disgusting. It's gross but why are people unhappy because we gotta cut your toenails. Walk your ass back to the locker room with. I'm with tyler hundred nasty not on the sidelines. When people got to watch it froze. Says than i have as a as a person has been in them look if an nba player wants to take care of his toes. More power to him. I'll go ahead and out a guy right now. I've never seen nastier feet mad and seen in a while but early on with james harden was here he was walking the locker one time in a shooter off and i go i look at his feet and i just wanted to vomit. He's toenails the most disgusting thing ever. I've ever seen him like what your professional. I think runs on those street all the time. Why don't you take care of them. Here's what i know about. Sometimes those to defeat the bones bones shift but bustan buddy of mine had used to get bunions. All the time i i get The the one of my outside but what happens is pounded too much. The tokens black and blue. The nail. i see that a lot of athletes were one or two of the toenails. What i play a lot did all of a sudden we'll get black and blue but keeping them clean and cut. Yeah so you don't have wolf does or they're hanging over the edge scrape you know how the wolf i've had where they get too long. I couldn't fingernails get too long. Say they just don't feel right at the other day. Exactly i get manicures and pedicures too. I listen if you wanna cut your nails finding another thing. That's nasty even in the locker room. Pick up the toenail clippings dude on talent in the trat. I'll leave him on the carpet where people are walking by on the court. I don't need to see your funky ass feet. Even if they're really nice feet for a dude and you've got a manicure. Pedicure dudes have nice fee. I've got great feet. Just ask me. Because i just actually two days ago went and pedicure diary. Go listen to people. Say men get pedicures. You dan right. Who doesn't want somebody cleaning them out. Massage and putting that peppermint. Still maybe atelier ingrown that was bugging him during the game she had to cut it. We'll get you know he can do lip your aspect of the locker room. Cut him then and come back out. Put your shoes on. I think it's nasty frigging nasty calendars fee. I don't care if he's got a towel under his feet and he's underneath the dog on like they do in the nfl silence. Get your bud to the locker. I don't need you clipping your toenails. We don't want to fly up. It led somewhere where you don't know where it goes. Yeah no thank you. Sit on your question going to be. Was it nasty tyler funky. No i don't care how good feed are. I don't care if he soaked them in epsom salts the night before. Don't cut your toenails in front of did that the other day it's gross. It's nasty hide to two nights ago. Took me a big old epsom. Salt bath beat hurt. Sometimes i've got big old flat feet stick that's the from. You don't have any arches. Get i mean if you look at me staying without a nothing. You're not a single arch support. It doesn't hurt your feet. It goes up into your calves and your eventually start to support. Yeah it's not good. I'll bet you get shin-splints when you run sometimes because you gotta not anymore. But i used to would. I went through a stage when i was junior before my junior year of high school baseball. I couldn't run that like that that like for like four months. Or the worst thing ever arch no arch support will kill your especially when you're growing younger. That was what. I was hitting gross burton. Who was just like killing it. It's not good all right so there you go. Don't cut your toenails in front of people period. Don't in the locker and then clean your toenail clippings up please off. We're gonna cut man cut out right to the locker room. Cut of sam not said i already introduced in fifteen minutes ago. I'll introduce to begin the lead. Nfl analysts were pro. Football focus joins us next. We'll jump around the league. Is something wrong with ben and pittsburgh. We'll the san francisco forty niners stick with jimmy carson wentz going and well maybe he has an idea who the next head coach be here or who has suggested in san monson next. There's a lot happening. And he's got a lot to say about. Sean salisbury continues on seven nineteen sports. Talk seven ninety now. I introduced in fifteen minutes ago during another segment. When he's supposed to come on. And i'm like well we gotta get sam well fifteen minutes later here. He is and he's delete. Nfl analyst for pro football focus one of the best in the business always enjoy a conversations with him joins us now on. The sean sows ratio. Sam i introduced you fifteen minutes ago thinking. It was already seven thirty. Welcome home command and happy holidays to your brother appreciate you. You humana anytime anytime thank you. Okay let's start. We're going to spend much time on the texans because a lot of people are disenfranchised. But let me start here. Sam if you were the general manager for this franchise. What kind of coach would you look for. What what what what. What kind of do do you want. And if you've got a name who would it be well. I think you're in a pretty good starting spot. Because you have the shawn watson hardest thing to get right in the. Nfl is to find a truly transcendent elite level quarterback. And the texans have won. Like the shawn. Watson has been a superstar pretty much from day one. You traded away his best receiver and Deandre hopkins and the all season and he's improved. Everything else around him has gotten worse. But the shawn watson has elevated his game to another level despite the the situation around him eroding so i think whatever you do you have to get somebody that works well with the shawn watson find an offensive mind a guy that's capable of putting together an offense that he can thrive within You know eric. The enemy is obviously candidate. The jumps from that list. He comes from that andy reid. Coaching tree system is good. He's got a quarterback that has a lot of similarities to him. In in patrick mahomes so i think there would be a lot of crossover that they could work with. And then at that point once the most powerful thing you have available to you as firing on all cylinders then you can start to piece together everything else you know at that point. It doesn't matter as much if the defense it takes a backseat To what you're doing on offense. But i think that's where you have to maximize the the area that can make the biggest impact that you already know well on the way towards doing sam. I don't know which way you're going with this but you can be as hardcore as you want fans in this town. Wanna hear it if to shawn watson wasn't here. How desirable is this job. The shawn watson wasn't there. I think that would be a disaster of job. I mean there's no graphics to work with. the situation isn't good. There's not that much talent on the roster. If you didn't have a franchise quarterback there wouldn't be an awful lot going for you in terms of Being able to put that on the right track quickly you know the only positive for that job would be if you were giving guarantees of longevity. Somebody came in and said hey we know this is a mess. We're give you six years to fix it Or a six year contract and she how quickly you can fix it that would tend to you but in terms of what's actually available you right now. There's not a huge amount to work with all right. I'm going to jump around the league because there's so many questions that are that are new. People need answered out there. The word as we head towards the plants can the pittsburgh steelers fix this fast enough to be a threat in january. Wow this was the game right. I mean we said last week that hey whatever stumbling gets washington and that was when we could kind of coming And the wobbles. They've had this is get right game. Cincinnati has been get right game for everybody all season long the browns of about two opportunities to get right against the bengals. If you come out of that game and you still look like a mess. Now you've got some real problems and that's exactly what happened. Pittsburgh if anything was worse Against cincinnati than they had been the previous couple of weeks. So did they gotta go back to the drawing board and figure out where all these problems are and they're getting to the point where there's a lot more than one you know. It's the last couple of weeks we been Kinda zeroing in on one or two problems but the entire offense is a a mess right now. All right sam with that We'll sam darnold be the starting quarterback for the jets if they stay in the two hole. I think there's a chance he is That's to me. The biggest problem with losing out on travel orange number one overall is suddenly opens up a whole lot of options. And a way that you can talk yourself into continuing with sam darnold and you know. I don't wanna hate on sam darnold. I think he's had a really rough situation and hasn't had much of a chance to succeed. But given what you've seen from him from the previous three years you can't tie yourself the him going forward. You can't bank on being able to discover his feeling in the next couple of years by putting improved situational things around him. I think you have to move on and try it with a different quarterback and you know whether it's justin field. There's like wilson or whoever it is you fall in love with that second best guy. I think you have to do that. Let darnell move on and see if you can rediscover his ability somewhere else but the danger now for the jets as you can make a case for it you can say look darnold baloney the a few months older than joe era was heading into his rookie season. You know we haven't put a good situation round. Let's draft a penny sewell or let's trade down and and try and get some pigs for them and let's see if we can help him out. I think that's just a very very dangerous thing trying. Okay can sam darnold. Let's say drew brees retires and goes down. And and sean payton traits for sam darnold gets a low first or second round pick. Can sam darnold be a superstar in new orleans. I think he can be good. But i don't know that it can happen straight away. I mean the the game against the rams was really only the second game. He's played this season and the last three years. You're you're looking at. You know two three four or five of these games every single year and the rest of it is behind and i think he. I think talent there you know. I think he's got the ability every single game with darnold. You a couple of throws that make you go. Wow and they're right up there with anybody else. But i i think you need some time to sit and learn behind somebody. I'm know the saints can eek out of season with somebody else a quarterback whether it's let's give the tapes and mental experiment legitimate season that starter and sam darnold comes in and sits behind him for year. I think the following season could be a year where sam darnold becomes something pretty good and you want on sam monson lead. Nfl analyst pro football focus always great studies this game and the quarterback position as much as anybody on the planet. Sam would you move on if you were kyle. Shanahan and john lynch from jimmy garoppolo. I would certainly be looking at my auction Jimmy garoppolo is not bad quarterback. I think is biggest problem right now is obviously durability and the fact that he's missed a lot of time and even if you were confident one hundred percent and how good his is as a baseline. You can't trust that you could be there every single game of the season. So that's an issue and that the contract they signed into you know. It's very easy to get. I from at various points during the length of it so i i think they owe it to themselves to say look. He kyle shanahan to show that he can get winning games winning performances guy like malls and nick mullins is nowhere near as good as jimmy garoppolo. He's also showing jimmy. G. can get to a super bowl. He's shown that. With matt ryan he can get an mvp sees them So yeah. I think the team owes it to themselves to at least explore the options. And maybe they you know wind up in a situation where they have a shot at drafting a quarterback that they really like in the first round or They have the ability. You know the in this off season. Maybe a marcus. Mariota put himself back in the shop window. But there's definitely going to be available. Alternatives jimmy g. And they just have to decide if if one of them is worth taking this wing as carson wentz played his last game as a starter in philly. I still don't think so That contract is just so hard to get from it. It's possible but you have to eat such humanity dead cap money to move him on. I think he's probably still better long term. Bet the jalen hurts. I know hurts has got everybody excited right now because that eagles offense it's viable with him a quarterback But you know the. I don't think he's performances have been quite as good as the numbers i think he's gotten away with a few passes that haven't shown up in the stance yet. I think he's probably going to regress at some point also because he surviving so much now with what he's doing on the ground that's it's a tricky thing sustain long-term in terms of high end success and we know the winds is good. You know when he's playing well when he's put back together when he's right. When a good quarterback. I think he definitely needed to be sat down That was only going in one direction. He wasn't gonna turn that around any time soon. But i still think they're best option for the long term future is to figure out how to piece him back together in the off season and roll with him as you're starting quarterback and maybe jalen hurts then becomes you know high end backup or even has some trait value beyond what you Sacrifice drafted sam months and pro football focus a few more minutes their lead. Nfl analyst joins us here on. The sean sows we're shown sports talk seven ninety all right sam. Let's just assume the kansas city chiefs don't exist or they have one of those games where their average which they've done a lot still win or they play great. Who's the biggest threat to the chiefs thrown in the afc if there is one this year it's funny because the afc so wide open. I think it's gonna come down to who gets hot at the right time If you're asking me which of those teams who. I think has the best chance of doing that. I'll be buffalo right now You know. I think the bills are very like the cheese in the. The only difference is josh allen only plays back kind of level for a third of the time or fifty percent of the time. But when josh allen is on that maybe the best receiving group in the nfl. It's slightly different. Kansas city have an elite tight. End travis kelsey but they're probably deeper wide receiver. There's a lot of weapons to play with you. Offense is good up. Top to bottom and their defense is capable schematically clever. It's able to cause problems. It's not elite but it's definitely an issue for some offenses Particularly you know individual game plans on any given sunday. They can doubt something to cause real issues. And then if josh allen had the game where he is on his game. The bills are right up there with kansas city. In of extremely hard to topple. If i say that aaron rodgers is the mvp and to me it's no question if he continues the next three the next two weeks like this. He finishes i ma home. Second derrick henry third. How far off emma. I think you've got the right one too. I think aaron rodgers. And patrick mahomes honestly the only two guys really in in the conversation to me And i i think you've probably got the right order as well. I don't think it's a slam dunk. I think they're they're very close together. rogers had that one stinking game against tampa bay. Mahomes hasn't really had a terrible game and really never had terrible game. I think you could make a pretty strong argument for either of those two teams. I'm never going to get on board with your running back though i. I can't do it even if he know and just be. Let's say think about where they are. They're gonna make the playoffs. Derrick henry another one hundred and forty seven yards. I'm all quarterback all the time. Sammy know that but in the mvp voting if he rushes for two thousand yards will he get any votes at all. I'm sure he will And i think you know as as facetious of it is the running back stone mountain thing i think. Derrick henry does like derek candidates showing the ability to outperform the situation. He's in pretty consistently now for a couple of years. Now you can definitely make the case that it's driven a lot by ryan tannehill and not derrick henry The the numbers that he had the second ryan tannehill came in the lineup. Just jumped catapulted into a different stratosphere. You know having a quarterback in a bible passing game changes what the running back has to face the consistent basis but like henry's numbers after contact is broken tackles all those kinds of things. They are crazy and you can point to multiple games this season. Where derrick henry is the reason they want you know. He goes off and literally if the difference between winning losing. So yeah. I think you will get votes But i i couldn't give it to them over one of those quarterbacks now no way it's one of the two and the safar distance those to the distance between two and three is far greater than the distance between one and two. I couldn't agree more. It's a quarterback award. Finally let me leave you with this. If the new orleans saints were able to go win a super bowl or get to it this year will it be because their offense or defense sam I think it will be the offense. The defense has been good. And it's definitely taking a step forward as the season's gone on it's reached the level of we thought it was before the year But they're going to go as far as that offense goes and it drew brees doesn't come back one hundred percent and it doesn't look like drew brees or if they can get miracles out of hill just not going to be able to live with the best teams in their conference let alone the super bowl so you know the defense might be able to keep them gains. That might be able to to help them along the way but they're not winning the super bowl. My son offense is playing at its peak. Couldn't agree more. sam let you go. I do this for a couple of hours brother. But i know you got a lot to do happy holidays. Merry christmas you. let's do this. Come january when the playoffs kick in thank you so much my man anytime you to take it all right good to talk to you that sam monson lead. Nfl analyst pro football focus. We'll come back. I think he's he's right on about a lot of those things. a key. here now is how it's shifted and we'll hear from what jets fan said about trevor lawrence or the jets winning from boomer size into craig carton fads and what it does to sam darnold and the jets. Moving forward is the number two pick sports. Talk seven ninety rolls on footing. The logic illogical former pro. Sean salisbury continues to break it down once seven ninety right sportstalk seven ninety it all we were talking about the jets. The jets had we had the fan in denver. The fan in new york carton robert show boomer and geo show and there's let's talk jet jets podcast. Well let's go and order and other. There's some leg to these what you gotta listen because this is classic. Here's what happens. Let's start with thirty. This is in new york when you have the first pick of the draft sitting in your lap and you happen to go out and play your best game of the season and beat the first place rams this card craig carton and the robert credit card and robert show The reaction to jets losing the new york jets. What in the world were you thinking and blamed the rams as much as i blame the jail. You better cook the ram he's to hear about how their coaches the second coming of greatness. I don't want to hear about anything he has to that team. The rams lost that game the rams at every opportunity to win the game the jets handed to as you knew the jets were in the fourth quarter on a silver platter. Outside of the markets may defensive play third and four four thousand four. The rams go deep both times makes no sense. The referees were on the jets are in in this game. And i'll tell you what. I don't wanna hear ottawa year from you for gays jet fans today about all. We'll trades number two pick. I'll get plenty of asset showed up and about that. There's a guy available that most people believe all of us included is a generational talent and the new york jets had a chance to go get a generational talent and they f it up. I was having a great weekend. I gotta tell you. Kevin durant luke healthy. I mean love to my wife. It was a tremendous weekend the image. I can't get out of my. When i went to sleep last night which frank gore and i got nothing against frank gore frank gore had a wonderful career. I'm sure he's a great gentleman. But that third and five thirty and six completion to adam gays. His favorite football player of all time haunted my night and very well. Barring something crazy may haunt all of us for a decade. This whole thing has sucked okay. It's not fun sitting there on a sunday knowing your team is better off. Losing is never been enjoyable not the brutal also not the blowout losses. Absolutely nothing but for them to win that game yesterday. And i'm not mad at the player made a jt hassle for block it up on. Of course he's going to block a punt nathan shepherd for looking like an all pro. I'm not even mad at that. Fool adam gays because of course he's trying to win a game. I'm just mad. Here's what i'm mad at a man. I'm a jet fan. And i'm mad that for the last two months. We sucked ourselves into believing that that beautiful blonde quarterback from clemson. Who's gonna be our hero for to all. Go down the toilet because sean mcveigh cake. Coach himself out of a paper bag. Let me ask you this. You brought up. The third and fourth fourth and four deep shots schmuck is taking made. No sense riddle me this. This jet secondary is a mess. Why are you trying to establish the run the entire first half what are you doing. This was from start to finish brutal to watch. And i don't mean to be overly dramatic. This could affect the franchise for the next fifteen. It could it could. I'd be it here. I would be so pissed if it was the texans. Think back to the to the reginal. They're playing the last game of the season was against the forty niners and the texans were driving down the field and this is that was the two thousand six draft. Right doesn't six is two of them. Five season my garage jersey jersey village on fifteen years old. We call it. The village ville They're driving down the field and they get in position to kick a field wall to win. The game would've lost the bush bowl. And i had a baseball bat. My hand ready to go. I was a. I was an angry kid. I was gonna take it to that trash can in that garage and beat the hell out of it and thank the good lord. The wind was blowing that day. Candlestick and chris brown love choke in big moments and he dog hooked the best out of one in just. They won the bush bowl. But if i was a jets fan i would've. I would've broken things i would. I would have. I'd be cursing right or get a comeback in here. A little bit more because think about if this franchise the course of this friend i know they're going to end up four and five and eleven or whatever it is the way cincinnati played against pittsburgh held. Maybe it's not even safe this week right now. Does sean gives you better. Because benz not plane while right now. So let's say five and eleven. I haven't lennon's prior. Okay imagine what this franchise would be so you understand the frustration with jets fans and you can't be mad at the players right. But that's the worst loss of sean mcvay career. Not named the super bowl was ballot. Check their this. Was the jets in your building on the road first place. They're coming to town. He did him a favor but in his t he didn't do it. He did the players a favor on the jets. He and maybe donald but he sure as hell didn't do the franchise any favors by playing an average. Maybe this is like final payback for the jalen ramsey. Trade could be that very very well. Tank the game. Guess guess trailer there could be. We will come back and hear more about the craziness and explain. Why and what would you do if you were the jets if sam darnold is the quarterback now or if it's ends up like this and jacksonville has the first pick. I'm gonna tell you what i think they should do. There's a few options and sam. Darnold may still be one of them sports. Talk seven ninety. Nine french salisbury. This is the sean salisbury show author number. Three mc and tyler here here. here's the deal. As a player you play every single game. I know herm said play to win the game and you really do because you're on listen. Especially here's darnold. Who was the third. Pick of the draft behind mayfield and barkley and big future. And there's there's flashes. Most people believe go somewhere else. He'll do really well but only twenty three s four in january. Learn how to play. And you don't you excuse me next year of twenty four. You see flashes of him. He's as old. He's younger than berlian. He's been a league for years. He's rose eight he no. He's right around the same boroughs twenty three. I think he's like within a year of they're not far apart. Burroughs twenty four Older so that's wild. He's a really good. He's got a chance. The only reason i use him. Because he's the jets quarterback so the passion that goes on and we're going to hear from bloomberg size into who's played the position as a player. You never unless you're just a coward ass bitch fact you coward ass bitch go into a game trying to lose. Yes do you know what that then then those. That's when a teammate should fight you. And i mean literally fight you. I don't need to tell anybody outside the building but that's an ass whooping waiting to happen in the locker room period. You don't do it. Plus even if it's not your position. Say well i don't really care what happens if the quarterback they're going to get this guy. You owe it to your teammate. If you're the starting corner. And you want trevor lawrence. But you're starting jet you ain't thing you do. Your ass should be thinking about trevor lawrence. You should be thinking about. Sam darnold about your. That's exactly where future these are. Your guys and the truth is the jets. Should've went to the last three weeks via should have to lead. That's right and we wouldn't and then those writer blown right that one plane zero coverage at in a game all you gotta do is catching tackle. They gotta have the game's over do so with a four to seven guy running on the outside which is just boggling. Stupid right twi greg. Williams is unemployed right so not only. Are you going to get rid of your head coach. Your head coach also won a game. You're going to get rid of him. After he cost you a first round pick. What else could go wrong with the jets. But here's what you do before we hear more about the craziness that goes on and how people feel when you lose a guy and i think boomer ascites gonna try to talk them off the ledge little bit but is you want to win them and the here's the irony of it. If you're sam darnold you may still want to go play somewhere else right. I would wanna get a yes. Yes even though you want you play your heart. You're like we'll i'll play it. India philip rivers wants to walk away. Although philip rivers is playing out a level you say maybe i'll go back and get twenty five million more as we discussed or new orleans or anywhere else right. The that is looking or san francisco or somebody else that may be in the market and there'll be a handful of them as there always is hell jacksonville. If all of a sudden they screwed up in won a game and the jets won another game and bring somebody else into the mix. Somebody went straight four. I read. who does sam darnold. Weather's playing but if you're the jets now let's say you're going to stick with let me ask you. Are you sure. Justin fields is better than sam darnold. I'm not now. I'm not sure. Justin feels a second but rather draft get. Sam darnold away from new york and take a chance on him and take it on. Justice fields agreed or vows new york. I'd rather trade down. Keep saying all day. Donald two first round picks. Yeah instead of the one so somebody can move up and get justice. Because i'm not sure. Just justin fields is gonna be better than sam darnold. I'm not even sure. Justin field. So i think a good player and he's a big strong kid. I think he's going to be really good player. But for people to say well justin fields as trevor lawrence. I disagree and i'm not even sure just feels right and wrong for not loving his mechanic. No you're not wrong at all. And i'm not sure. Justin fields is even the second best quarterback in the draft. Yeah now a the kid from north dakota nor trae lance suze monster talent. And zack wilson who is becoming a magical people. Got him a magical playmaker. We know trask and throw it weeden. There's guys right. And a year from now spencer rattlers going to be another guy from oklahoma. That's gonna wins the heisman. I think that jones is mack. Jones may be in the twenties late first round guy. I don't think the high has to come out. But yes oh you gotta come out. And because he's gotta get picked in the first round at the latest second round but he's a guy smart stepped his game up patient waited. His opportunity could be one of those guys. He's he's a fast mover now as you know between now and the draft what he does the offseason which is weird and shorts and a tee shirt. Yeah they're going to say okay. Let's see what he's away from these all these great players yet he lost waddell and is still kicking ass with no one that you gotta take away. Devan still plays well right. So i think mack jones has proven to people going into this year. It's kind of guys he is. He just a is he. Going to be one of those quarterbacks. That's a good player. But the alabama crimson tide or just really good. We'll look back. Jones did played well enough to force tongue of vilo brother to transfer. Yeah what to maryland. So he's good player. So i if i'm him yes but for me while. I like justin fields. I'm not widely convinced that he is without question. The number two quarterback in this draft yet. I'm not. I've seen some up and down the parts of his game. So if you're the jets you say well man. Maybe we'll take keep saying trait down. Get another first round. Pick and start to build around. Sam darnold now if you love. Justin fields draft him. Go gautrey darn for late first. Round or a sacramento. That may be better too so you can do that. What's wrong and there's a heart and story that just came out that you're gonna love all right. Save that for eight fifteen. Yeah or the after the break but real quick. Now let's go with our guy and it's a couple of minutes was worth at my guy boomer esiason and he's partners geel and their reaction to trevor lawrence. Who is obviously everybody's wish list but there's only a couple of teams that are going to be in that party unless you want to offer your franchise for him. Here's what boomer and the group had to say on the fan yesterday about trevor lawrence. I cannot believe that at halftime when they were up ten. They didn't somehow blow. And i cannot believe that frank gore caught that pass on that critical third down conversion at the end of the game to seal it and fell backwards the first down. I cannot believe that sean. Mcvay offensive genius. Sean mcvay aaron donald s ticker rams offense. No one can stop those guys. Got some point in four quarters could not figure out the new york jets in four quarters and they're building fans are no fans doesn't matter could not figure out the new york jets to win the game. I am of the belief that this was the worst possible thing that could happen to the jets. I know i heard the end of the warm up show allen jerry and jerry's take is more reasonable and al now is on that side and i know that you just don't know at this point about is going to be good and there's many examples out there about teams who thought they lost out on something and then really didn't it's more than just a player. There's so many things that you could say the. Try to make yourself feel better this morning. If you're a jets fan but all of that is far less likely to end up in the good column then. Trevor lawrence being a great quarterback. That's about a lock. That's about as close to lock as you can get when people are tossing around andrew luck peyton manning and others with trevor lawrence all of a sudden. He's going to be a jacksonville. Jaguar barring a miracle. It is a disaster. The bar from joe beningo who has retired. It's a flat out freaking disaster bro. Good morning boomer. Are you get amazing watching jet fans. Watch this unfold yesterday. I mean they weren't really sure how to react. I know you wanna win. But then again. You really don't wanna win you lose by winning and after watching trevor lawrence against notre dame. That's going to be my quarterback or a light light. That's gonna be my quarterback. But i've told you often sitting here this desk that players don't give a crap about year all they care about is what's going on at the moment and they wanna win games. They do not want to go winless. They do not want to be on that list and to the credit of the to the jet players. They pulled off what i think. Maybe the biggest upset in nfl history. And the reason. I say that the jets of the first winless team in nfl history to actually beat a nine win team on the road went on the road. Now obviously it's different this year because they're no fans and things of that nature but they had to go to la and they had to go. Beat a rams team that just absolutely drilled the patriots and you would have thought you know. There's no way that the jets could be able to do this and you know it's just it's the nfl match it sure is the nfl. And i can tell you this in during the regular season. Excuse me as the biggest upset. Nfl history. it may well be if you were a rams fan and you decided. This is a no brainer. Big time money. You're pissed if you're gambler. And if you're a jets fan and you took it and put a lot of money on it and said i think they're going to get inside the spread you are. Here's the problem. You're happy won the money. You're pissed that you lost the player. So what matters more to you. That's new york radio right there as they are in day. They are beside themselves with a win. Because you lose right now now. jacksonville dam. Sure the message to. There's front office not the players is. Don't screw this up. Go with a gabe or doug marrone. You're fired but doug marrone may be fired either way. Can you imagine you get triple come into town. And you're like i'm gonna lose out on this cat. I'd be pissed but you know what probably the right move. Yeah and both of those coaches that we're going to get trevor lords more than likely won't go to get to coach him anyway. He's the gift for the next decade plus to the next coach. Either one of those cities you would imagine sportstalk seven ninety james harden. Yeah meant can you imagine new york radio right. It'd be this'll be going on for. You're gonna hear that that the that scrambling around us trae for four the new weeks or months going on all right up next james harden. There's more news about this. It's a bad look for james just from the top of the story all right jimmy. Hart talk next. The hottest takes force mostly tied to the team. The sean salisbury show continues on sports talk seven ninety three roll along fast on a beautiful tuesday. Nba starts tonight clippers lakers but the first game of that doubleheader is the warriors at brooklyn brooklyn brooklyn. Yeah a place. The james harden has preferred land. But he's not going to land speaking of landing Landon some throws with the basketball single day. Feels like there's a new store with james harden champs of the athletic has a new story out this morning it's pretty dialed in. Yep it is titled this Signs of tension between james harden rockets teammates early on sources says as the houston rockets prepared to open the regular season on wednesday. They do so. Under a cloud of uncertainty. With the face of their franchise. The rock has do not plan the simply giveaway james harden. This is just me saying as they shouldn't the time all star has made it clear that he prefers a trade to a contender. The dynamics of the standoff will break tension as the season tips off and there have been signs in recent days that the pressure is already beginning to reveal itself sources have told the athletic hard reported to training camp only one week later on december eighth th the intention of keeping things professional with the team despite his preference to be on a contender elsewhere but the environment has gotten tents around the team. In recent days as long as harden remains on the roster there will be a greater level of scrutiny around the team. All eyes will be on the rockets and every move made by hardin especially will be dissected and interpreted under the context of his desire to be elsewhere for instance. The athletic learned that harden has had multiple verbal confrontations with teammates in practice on sunday and monday and one confrontation included hardened. Throwing a basketball team made on monday. Sources say harden and rookie jay. Sean tait had a heated exchange during monday's practice culminating in hardened throwing a basketball on tate's direction. The ball did not hit tate. But interactions like these between teammates during practice can be normal in a competitive environment hard and however is known by those new organization is laid back in a calm personality especially a superstars. Go some around. The are viewing this. As rising to an uncharacteristic level of frustration given the ongoing situation he averaged sixteen points in the preseason sources of described hardness engaged in encouraging with teammates on game nights discussing strategy and how to improve on the floor is are we re. Am i reading too much into this. When i read the. He's getting in practice. Yelling at people and throwing basketballs. Already as a i to me sure normal competitive environment. You would hope that there are some tension at times when you're practicing because it just means you're trying to get better and everything it's just normal to be a competitor but this is being a. This is another sign of me being unprofessional. When you want out. And you're if i'm a team trying to trade for somebody like what if i get him and he's not happy here is he not gonna do this here. And the mc how long they've been in training camp he's been there a week basically. It's way too early to be that frustrated. Forget the for. Let's assume it was just a normal season. Yeah you don't get that frustrated week in a training camp. That's game twenty when you're tired of traveling beat. Had to back to backers your. You're bad night. Yeah somebody says some your rookie. Whatever it is frustrating. I don't listen. I have zero problem with guys. Battling each other fighting arguing pushing and shoving in there. You play there. Hasn't been enough of it with james here we do. You can do it. A lifetime fitness the play on the hoop court go down. There guy is playing like a practice court all american and undercut you on a lamp and you wanna fight him and you go back to play. You finish happens a weekend when you're late. This has zero to do with competitive trying to get ready for a season. This has everything to do with frustration. Mounting the talk mounting like anything. How many times you've been frustrated about something else. You'd go home. Somebody a buddy friend your significant other says something you snap at them. And it's like whoa. You're casual normally with the probably you'll today. We've all been there right. You snap say something like oh man. I shouldn't have said. I'm sorry or you cuss or you raise. Your voice is just quick quick reaction. It's way too early especially for the guy came late. Yeah here's what you have to decide. If you're stephen silas and raphel stone and then tell for tita honestly. It's getting to this. I i understand you. Don't you can't give them away but there comes a breaking point where it's like you're now in the process of this being if this happens way too often you gotta say. Is my team worth dealing with this right pedic. This is an brought. He shans rounded up. Later how big is the headache. Yeah he brought about the the jimmy butler issue a few years ago. When he was in minnesota he became a malcontent and was in practice scream and and challenged guys to fights and doing that whole they but when the mount minnesota was able to pivot and get the massive asshole in return for him right. I'm still better place long as this goes on. I'm gonna keep waiting until i get what i want. I he can be a a whiny baby and act like like. That's what drives me. Nuts is that there is. They've done everything for this guy and we keep button her head against won't saying over and over and he's acting like a child you want to know what the if this is true and it continued in and it got jimmy butler like he wasn't minnesota was minnesota in minnesota. If it gets that plan where you remember the story. It was like every day there seemed to be another. It seemed like there was another argument or right or challenge. If it gets to you wanna know you wanna be ballsy and you want to keep him because you haven't got your hall yet. Yeah what happens if it came. How many you're this We suspended a player for fighting and pragmatic i coach. Doug detrimental the team. Can you imagine if all of a sudden they said we suspended him for a couple of games. 'cause he's His he he got into a fight with the play for no reason on the plane flight if the practice facility or raise and set him down he wants not has to be smart. Can you imagine though. Yeah can you imagine. I said to get off the court Matter fact you're not traveling with us the next two days two games. Can you imagine all. Yeah it'd be great. I feel good message. It'd be great message. But it has to me like you're sitting here if i'm another team can't let him dictate the full franchise dude. You can't yeah and like he's got to know that there's already a limited number of teams that are even interested in you and your quote unquote best player in the world in your mind. Who's leads the league in scoring every year. But there's already like so many teams that say nothing to do with you because of his approach. This isn't going to help that if you want out you got. You can't be. I trust shams enough great writer. Reporters these guys. Don't just throw stuff against the wall and opened sticks. They have a source or a player or somebody that either was on that court or watching that take place because their reputations and their credibility is on the line. You just don't now if you if you're in our business. If you give an opinion say okay coming out of this. I my opinion is that james can't get this fixed. That's pina but if you came out of this that i know for because somebody in house told me i got a source that said this can't be fixed. That's a different way to approach right so for me. I trust what chances writing which tells me in. Its way listen. I've been through training camp dude and football trade and two and a half weeks in you're like all of a sudden you're in the locker room. Somebody says summer arrived right. You come in the next day. You're pissed after a preseason game whatever it is in. You're tired of beating on your own teammates. You want to go play a game against somebody else that makes sense and so the frustration mounts. Yeah and so. You've got like an offensive. Lineman and defensive lineman a fistfight on the practice field breaks up there sitting next to each other at lunch right. Okay big deal. This is a weekend do we. Weren't we're not and we're not talking about you. Know sweat and beating each other up a full gear on and one hundred degree weather in the summertime outside in a humidity field. Football at mankato's in mankato minnesota. Right you're talking about a gym. Where fresh legs. They couldn't beat him up too much. Y too close to the season. Short training camp. You don't wanna you're trying to get you guys ready to play the regular season to tomorrow correct so there is absolutely no question in my opinionated. Mind that this has everything to do with. What's gone on and zero to do with the fact that you just don't like a rookie. Yeah being asked about it right. That's exactly right. I don't care if you throw. It may be kind. Yeah i mean that's what keeps getting back to the fact that you're gonna sit here and not be professional about anything is mind blowing to me. I agree okay. So the question i asked for you folks out there at Seven one three two. Five seven ninety. Where's your breaking point with james harden. Are you there yet. Do you care about this in the reports. Coming out of the dysfunction that he's bringing to it overrated under. Just where are you and are you already past your breaking point that you want him out and you don't care what the return is. That would take some guts as well. Where are you out on your on. The whole james harden here there or somewhere else where you sit seven three two one two five seven hundred your the general manager your helmet for tita. Your stephen silas. Where's your breaking point. We used i've had it. Is it now or is it later. We'll discuss later real quick later sports. Talk seven hundred seven one three two one two five seven ninety for his james harden the sauce bery so concedes this shaw's very so a sauce sports sports talk seven ninety phone calls. I asked the simple question mc brought up and read the shams article Who is obviously along with. Whoa jenner. a handful of others the best in the business that understanding in the inside of this news and connections and sources. And i believe every set i believe every ounce of this article about the ball the arguments attentions growing every ounce of it because credibility is on the line for guys like him ian rapoport and now and schefty and they. This is what they do. So that being said and i tried to take it with a grain of salt at times. It's this ain't the same forty games in the frustration. This is a weekend. He should be doing every single bit. Nothing none none. I'll tell you what. I kind of liked the fact that a rookie challenge in his ass of young like. I don't care who you are being from the construction this roster. They brought them much guys. Challenge my love it including the come. 'cause they find the challenged him as a player this year. By saying we're not doing your thing and stick it in your lap dude out ability we ask everybody else to be accountable. He's just know. And i hate to interrupt our best. I've always believed you know with the most accountable player now. You all should be accountable at every level coaches part. We all have accountability. But you know on winning teams who has the most accountability. The best player. Yeah they just do and they accept the most responsibility to go find all the examples easy to do. They heap it on themselves and they even take more not just pride. There's a lot of day-to-day they've they've take. They take more upon themselves in shoulder. It more because they feel like the the good ones. You don't tell me mahomes doesn't feel like the checkout of course he does roger th th they always have matter of fact they probably suffer a little more to because they know the burden. That's on them. That's why you get paid the big money right. Yeah and so. I believe so. I asked the question if your stylus if your stone. If you're for tita on that team and you look at your team and say okay. I got accountability responsibility them. James harden is a member this team as we speak. But where are you with. I've had it. If you're a stephen silas you have no interesting coach in this guy you have to. You have to. Because he's walked in and made it he's given you. You have to do it because your approach the coach but he's giving no choice but to say if the right opportunity comes up you gotta move in my opinion and yours is so. I'm asking the question to our callers and listeners. where's your level of. i've had it or are you even there yet with james and are you willing now to go from eighty cents on the dollar to sixty five cents on the dollar to part ways with him and say enough. Were better without him. We never thought we'd say that did we. Let's get to john john. welcome in. hey. I've i've had all those back Three years ago. I think you don't win Given mikhail status but down We're playing the clippers and we came back that that playoff game and got by the clippers and we wouldn't have done it if hard and hadn't been sat down and hardened got maceio fired. But i thought it was wrong. I thought we should've kept my kale. Thought we should have got rid of my heart and back then but I've had it you know. And he's to beta for me. He's always been to beta. And i'm ready ready to send him out of town for a very long time. I e we're not gonna go anywhere with him all right john. Great point there's one who's had cast a vote for the guy who said i don't need anymore. I've seen enough car. Welcome in how you doing. But hey i'm good. How about you guys doing wonderful. I'm pretty much had it too. I started thinking. I was like we can. We can withstand a year of the and just to see how the team chemistry would be. But then i started thinking. Worst case scenario i was like okay hardened actually heavier than he's ever been a what actually happens if he gets hurt that would be the worst case scenario and karma always finds a way to slap him in the face so i would get what we can now Get the best offer. I really wanted the players out of miami. But i think our team is fine. And we'll be fine with whoever we'd regan but worst case scenario if he gets hurt that would be horrible. Yeah carl that you. That is a one hell of a point. Can you imagine all the sudden you. You don't want that. Any and james has been really durable through his career. He has he plays a lot of men. I'm willing to take the risks though. But until i get that until i get that offer but i like we look at the dipped. Two guys have had it giancarl. They have at their wit's end and carl obviously concerned that what if it gets hurt the diminished value of hard and. Then it makes it even more difficult to trade. Can you imagine them saying dude. You're sitting we're not we're sitting you. Could you imagine sitting there and saying you want to if they said well. We're you want get traded and you're gonna be. You're going to be dysfunction team. You're like you're like the or note our citizens on the bench. Could you imagine down to where it says any giving him like twelve minutes at night. It'd be pretty hilarious. You imagine same did we. Don't want to get you over there. We're doing everything we can to move you so since we're trying to move you everybody knows your time but yeah we're going to worry about us right. We're going forward with us. We'll get you. You come in get a few minutes and we'll sit over there and uniform because you get paid and you like basketball but we got to start thinking about our future where you wanted out. We're doing everything we can to move you. So in the meantime. I gotta get my other guys minutes. Yeah could could you imagine be great. Can you imagine what would you do. Do you think he'd do think he'd say you'd think he'd be one of those. Don't really yeah. I kind of do to. Can you imagine if you said you know what james yard guy off. The bench is crazy. You're the fourth outfit. Its your night player. They'd be so fearful do that though because they don't want other people to look at it and say well. If i go there wh- why wouldn't they treat me like that but i would do at some point. Teams have to clap back at these guys and finally a team has back at a player because in most teams would have caved on. This already moved guy for two weeks ago and the rockets again credit to them. They've not done it for a reason. They cannot trade a player of this level with all his baggage that he brings all his. You know i so ball and all that with him. You cannot trade him for pennies on the dollar because they've invested so much into him in terms of money and draft capital everything by basically giving him everything he wants that they just cannot ship him off as much as we want to for nothing. You know what else is interesting about this is. I wonder and we'll continue to discuss. Take your calls. What would you to argue at your wit's end with harden are you willing to part with him for sixty five cents on the dollar. I'm wondering at what point. Also mc in tyler with this do the rockets themselves say i've had it. Do they get to. I wonder how deep their patients goes. If this continues to happen now. James may go out tomorrow and throw forty on your ass and very kate obese capable doing on a regular basis. But does that make it. Does any go into the tank and give you the old. The old cold shoulder hung my forty. Leave me alone tight. Know honest if they're gonna watch him go through the motion. That's i think he's going to score twenty just over twenty points tonight actually and then convincing myself okay. If that happens in wind you say as the rocket. Say we'll take seventy cents on the dollar. When i know you can't but when do day because we don't have to be around him every day you know what i'm saying so it's like i've had it take it all i don't care get out wonder if that kind of like you know. It's like throw your hands in the incident. I don't think the rockets go either. And i'm proud of him for but the fans whereas your level your breaking point or are you already at with harden come back and take your call seven three two one two five seven ninety tyler's here. Mc's here on a tuesday christmas week and glad you're along with his. Hey classic chevy sugarland get alot these deals. Here's why they're the well aside from volume. Got the vehicles you need in customer service off the charts and the service department. Phenomenal jeff in tiffany. 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Don't need to qualify it for hardened but becoming an appears more of a pain in the ass than we thought and if he wants out he's doing his best to get out and if you're the team you don't give him is way you trade him when when it comes but where's the breaking point for silence and stone and for tita and you because the fans matter and i have yet to a fan come on here and say oh no no. I'm on james side in two weeks. He's been there a week training camp. You shouldn't be overly frustrated with your teammates after week. I'd get thirty games in after a road trip. You're tired and and fights. And i could care less about that people that get all bent out of shape about. Oh did you see the the two guys got in a fight to lebron and rajon rondo argued on the court and kevin garnett got a a yelling fest with ray island of and so what happens. All the time happens at your job apposite. There's the key is you don't let it fast. You get over it quick. It's called tension emotion. Competitive you move on a weekend camp when you're start throwing basket enough. You shouldn't be tired. It's a week and you were late to camp. Maybe our gordon's got a complaint you weren't you weren't there austin up exactly so that means training right sure. Were training with your team big difference. So where's your breaking point with this great player. And he's a great player. James harden is it now. Are you passed it. And are you done with it core. You're up first man. What's happening. I wouldn't give in i've never given. This is a life the nfl and things like that you signed. A contract is guaranteed to stay here until we decide that that we've gotten what we feel is a good before you we've done for you since the day you walk in this door. Now it's on a turn to do what's best for us and what's best for us is giving him seven up for seventy cents on the dollar. You ain't gonna get one hundred hundred dollar for dollar no. I mean it's just not happen. Very many teams out there. That have a guy like heart. And that's gonna give him up for hard. So i i'd say sticking out to the life making dot make. I would not let him take a break on the court. All day i go. You need to breathe. Wait for tom out corey. You're saying where's ass out. I don't. I'm with you. My man i don't know what are the other you either. Wears ass out or make him get paid. You sit over there on the bench and watch others play. If you don't want to be a part of the year. I i'm with you forty two minutes a night. What you're going to play you're gonna play till we get tired of playing. Yeah i appreciate the call christmas man. Thank you skipped a biscuit biscuit. Welcome in that's a great and you cory cory there bobby knight of type of pro life. I don't i don't know if that works with the millennials though bad Hey i know. I called it a couple of weeks ago and say may cut your losses. You gotta you know. This dude ain't gonna do right. And i and i stand in the but right now though i would i would wait. I would wait. I would hold onto him. i think. Seven hundred first thing games at home. Let's see i play out on the court you know now. The only caveat with be silence game to me and say hey man. Dude just disrupting everything. Now that happened then. I would have to williams movie but other than that. I try to wait it all star break. You just don't know you know. Maybe i don't think the value can go down. But i think he can go up. That's my point. You know so if he plays. Well the teams winning Maybe in new jersey or or or get to a bad start You know maybe the value go up. So let's wait. That's tough to see what happens and And and you know. And and if and if he does too bad we got louis over there boogie roughing up in the locker room of sleepy. So let's let's let's let the play it out and see what he does now. I'm with biscuit. Merry christmas brother. It's good to hear from you too. Have a great one appreciate imagine. He's right into those other teams too. There's no team that's desperate right now. Why would they be. We haven't even started. Let's wait why would find out who has get desperate as the season moves along especially a team that maybe a little banged up to on the cusp of an nba. Possible right. it's close or says man. We're getting to really great start. Wars one were james harden away five twenty eight. Let's give them those like every happy with their team and ready to move forward no question about it and he doesn't get to dictate where he goes. That's just the way it is. And i don't have problem. Wait for desperate because guess what nobody doing it right now. People are focused on. What the opener tonight. They're getting their team. Ready to play. James harden get to dictate. And i you know what boogie or james in the locker room i would imagine. I'll take boogie side on that i would. I doubt take i drew. Welcome in matt how you doing. I'm doing wonderful how ya doing one. Great sir awesome awesome. I guess i'd be the preferences by saying yes. I am at a breaking point. But the way i've been feeling is What what has changed is i wanted in the state just one more year. I wanted him to give it one more year. See what we can do this roster. Because i feel like this is the youngest most athletic and talented roster we've had since he's been here you know foreign you know barney injury but Listening to the previous caller. I'm i feel like that's what i kind of transition to think. Now we do need to move him but we still have to be smart about it. Like y'all said man teams get desperate by the time the trade deadline comes never know what can happen right now teams think. Oh we've made all these boobs you feel really good but haven't seen the product on the floor. That's i ever teams ceiling like they. They got better off season so once once the season plays out a little bit we get closer to the trade deadline maybe on the day of the trade deadline you may be getting you know some crazy five type deal so that's where we're on that i think we probably go ahead and let go if if everything in. That article is true and on point. And you know that's actually been happening. Then yeah i think i think I i think it's time to start thinking about. Hey we need to move him wherever we can not where he wants to go but wherever we can so we can do. What's best rt 'cause. It seemed like they had been that since he's been great call. Yeah great point drew. Merry christmas brother. Thanks for the call. Thank you that that's a great point. And here's what it is. We've been giving you james harden in. I love our insight from what we got great callers and listeners. We've been given. James harden carte blanche to do whatever we've given him the black american express card to do whatever he wants to purchase the bill. That's exact- somebody else paint a form. That's exactly right. You got lots to spend and guess what. Guess who's paying your incidentals. They are now. It's time the guess. What buddy. it's time for you to pay the bills. You don't get one out to say in this not one you play. If you don't wanna play hard that's on you there's a there's a scene over there for you if you wanna play hard great. You're james harden your gym rat. We love the play. We know you gotta ego and pride. You're great player. But guess what you no longer. You lost that right to run this show. You can keep this black card but you're paying the bill. That's exactly right. You pay and guess what that american express you don't get to make payments comes do every month yup full full get tracy real quick tracy. Welcome in how you doing. I know yeah. I just wanted to know man. I just saw some bleacher report. I hadn't seen it was. I knew i was listening to you. Know the heart and saggy that's going on but I want to know. What is this about Getting a verbal confrontation. Yeah show camps report at throwing a basketball at a rookie verbal confrontation. Yeah supposedly that's been happening and it comes from reliable sources champs is one of the most reliable story breakers in the nba along. Yeah that's what. I wanted to know about that happening. Don't get him idea. Even you know. I say today before you before we about the night so i really so real quick before we let you go Tracy you're you're to the point now that you willing to give him up for less assets in return just to get him out of the building. Yeah like low light like we like we've been seeing mean we're not gonna get a dollar dollar fair enough Let's just get him out. I'm somebody there for james harden fan. I you would never really catch me. Say let me. But you're you're you're tired. Yup gotcha christmas. Thanks to the great call appreciate you but thank you can use to thank you a lot of even die hard fans which you and i have been offense. We now grazing and the votes. Keep rolling in and earn. We're not really voting but people. They're at their wit's end willing to walk more some. Don't care one about. I love this. Appreciate you guys passion. We'll continue to take your calls dominic and the rest you stay right there. Seven three two one two five seven ninety lot. James harden talk newest article confrontations with teammates. It's only a weekend. What if they lose three in a row. Then what. I mean like to think about that. They opened against the thunder at home. Tomorrow sportstalk seven seventy four maida vale longtime friend very this. Is the sean salisbury show. It is absolutely amazing. The emotion james harden now evokes it used to be the emotion across the country when he wasn't wearing mvp's and the way they talked about people go here now. It's amazing when you turn your back on a city and say where they've given you everything and turn out. All i want out i just want out. Because of my guys left how quickly you can alienate a fan base. It's treated you like gold and an organization that's treated you just as well even if not better and defended you no matter what. That's a great point that you bring up the turning your back. I had this argument with my lady. Yesterday she defends everything. James harden the moment. I tweeted anything. She text says something about it or tweets me back and says something about. She defends him. And i in our reminder. I'm like she's like well. You wouldn't be saying this if if you know he didn't want out or you would never be this mad at him. I go no. This is about him the way he's handling. This has nothing to do with his past. Yes sure we let things slide or whatever but if he went up to that microphone was just honest instead of love playing houston. But i think it's best for me to move on. I'm not in pissed off and mad and yellow all the time. I'm a little bit hurt even more. You know what fine told the truth. And but instead. He's acting the way he's acting. It's like the complete opposite of intriguing people the wrong way like no respect for your new coach and they organizations has done so much for you this. I'll i'll never be mad at a guy for saying for his family for him. Because if you admit that i can't i've given it i i don't feel like i can give what i want anymore. It's time for me to move on. I'm okay with an saying they'll never be fan. Base treats me better may never get to an organization that treats me better. I'm gonna play my heart out while i'm here. If the opportunity presents itself. I would love to play i. That's that's why i said what i said. Yeah maybe even a motion. Maybe i want to. Yeah maybe my feelings were hurt. I'm gonna miss mike. Or i'm gonna miss doesn't mean i don't want to give their two minutes. It would've taken two minutes of it just to do it where people reach on saying what guys been a great player here. He's an mvp. See for me. As is you know harden won me over. I was a harden guy became heart guy. And i'm very big on the on the character. About how you treat people. And i don't care if it's the guy who throws you the tiles i don't care if it's a guy who serves your gatorade and i don't care if it's telman for tita a paycheck and what you deposit in your account doesn't mean diddly squat to me as a human being it doesn't i. Don't give a hoot if the if the president walks through the door. The future president walks through the door. The ceo of company or the people who come into our door every day and wash those windows that we see while we're on this show. Yeah if you don't treat them the same than i got no time for you i. Just don't i don't and to me. You've literally not use this phrase a lot to me. Independent is is to me and it's the perfect picture. This great player. Who probably i don't hate james harden for what he goes to strip. I don't care about any of that. No i wanna says you know. What if like after the san antonio bad look but you know what it's free time right. He can t right. I don't. I'm not even one ounce mad at him. I live different lifestyles. I would. yeah. But i'm not mad at him. That's i'm okay with that if it's for him the wants to do that way. My point is he's literally and i sincerely mean this and we joke about it. He is pissed in the face of this organization and these fans and looked at you he had even have the balls to tell you. It's raining fist in your face. Yeah instead of say. Hey i try to fool us yet trying to give them the respect from all the reports which are true. He didn't give them respect to pick up the phone in the off season they tried to contact this man for weeks and he wouldn't respond helen even to the point. If you're gonna break up can you send me a text message. You don't want to be right to do that too. And that's the part that bothered me. Because you know what i'll defend until the whitsun i if you've got five offense or three better offense of players in this league than him shown to me. I ain't seen him matter of fact. I ain't seen five better offense players in the last two decades in this cat. But i'll tell you what i've seen plenty of guys that are better players than him that have handled situations better. Yeah and that. That's the only thing i like. I said i was defendant. James harden and. I'd has zero to do with him. He walks in your chicken and look in the facing nice to meet you talk. Sit down ask him hard questions. We'll get out. I tell them. I tell them to his face. I don't respect how you're handling the situation grade. I'd say listen. We got a lot of disagree. And don't respect. Why and i. It's not a fight and things to simplex roofs. And i'd give him the platform but my point is is that whether enough's enough you can't let you know if you have five children at home one doesn't get to act different than the other four because what happens if the other four become affected by him so same thing as a team. This is a family that he's gonna spend more time with them than you would with your family. During the season you got start to treat them like family and your fans are the people who have defended you endlessly over the simple things on a quarter. Who's the mvp. I think you probably. Oh you don't have to give me all explanation but a tad bit more. If you're going to almost anything like data. I'll show you anything right but just from a respect standpoint you a at least even if you're gonna pee in our face tell us it's rain and don't don't don't just not tell us anything yeah fancier the mean anything. I care less. I grew up a laker fan. He does oh the fans here that have done that. Have gone to balls to the wall into the earth while it was scorched by other people. Crying people going off on harden still defending him. That's not the way you want to leave town because inevitably it's going to break up. It's not a matter of if it's it's happening dominic what's going on man welcoming. I think you're in san antonio it's good to have you on good morning you sound. Yes i'm i'm in san antonio working but from houston But i i wanted to say this i call matt. Thomas show a couple of weeks ago. And i said the same thing. I'm about to say it on your show. I'm houston rockets fan. I don't give a damn about the the name on the back of the jersey care about the name on the front team in. I understand that this generation is what it is and my generation. I'm forty three years old. My generation is what it was generations before me or what they were but this is where it does piss me off. You got kids. You got parents who spend their heart our paycheck to buy their daughters and their sons. This man's jersey. This man sneakers kale even though they're trying to get his crazy hair hairstyle like him. And at the very least go on social media when you stood in front of the houston media television answer the courses a man have respect and professionalism for those who do support you. Who don't for those who only the only thing i care about is your game. How some respect and professionalism professionalism as a dc for them now. He's a grown man. He's a professional athlete. He's a millionaire. He would never ever have a what ever ever for you to sit. There like a deer in headlights. Knowing that the courses are coming to you and you just to give the middle finger to the fans and the media that's unacceptable for me. How passionate about his son civil fact that that's that's my biggest problem with the national basketball association. I understand that the players make the league. But this here is ridiculous. You have a man who wore number thirty four team allies one who jerseys hanging up in a raptors actually brought rains to the city. He sits across the games more often than not you kissing a his face. You pissing in a fans face who have supported to no matter what he wants a championship. So so the we sola wasn't go at pay the tickets and concessions and parking by his stuff. We want a championship to we want to. We want to linger on the court tumor for tito are more when he was here. That have page. You have paid him handsomely to be french. The face of the franchise him on the front of a car. Everything and because you're general manager goes elsewhere coach dose elsewhere in reality. If you really really really really do wanna get totally to stay. You could add a professional conversation with the owner and the powers that be in. Iraq is brass dantonio. We'll be here so at the end of the day. We already know what it is. He's not a leader. He's a damn good player and he's a superstar based off his office. A challenge the alone but leadership no professionalism. You're seeing it directly so you can't lead right you your your your buddies they elsewhere. You're not professional professional strowman of mickley thrown the damn it. I'm a goal. Because lebron myself. And i'm gonna get all the other stars myself and i'm trying to do this my way and at the end of my contract about this time next season you know what rockies houston. It's been great. But this is what i wanna do. You do you professional enough to do that. So you want to touch the ball to go elsewhere. And it's so it's so pissed poor bad and i'm a closer with this because i don't getting long winded so piss poor getting is sorry and i want to some other things if i was. You know off the radio but i can't. He's so we as as sorry as a professional man to sit back and say you know what i want to go to miami. Now we're going to milwaukee. Now you know what. Hey semi the brooklyn tag team when anybody who can make his job easier not gonna hate you for that but if you say you why your demand and your this your dad. Don't be a front runner trailblazer. They'll sit there. Just you know what else. Huston apple fans after media. I just wanna go wherever. I can make it easier. How about selling next generation. I do the right way. I did it the hard way. You may brush the practice gym court. Go out there. So when the rockets are leader because the troops occurs man it grows. That's all you. That's all i gotta say just me and some timothy potato trading him for nothing. They'll do the rock. I mean with catches dina giveaway a prom athlete for nothing. The whole entire national basketball association. See chess how professional this guy is dominant. Everything's good he's raw stuff is bad. He wants to go so dominant. Dave i gotta tell you. I go right to break. 'cause i can't add anything to that as spend that may be about as good a rant on a guy. I don't know what to add to it other than a man. And you are one hundred percent standing ovation. Clap matter of fact that well you know how they have those like ramps offs or the passionate takes say which ones like one of the rants of the year. That belongs in the mount rushmore. ram amount. I ain't add anything to it. You said everything we all said and you said it with passion. And i think there's a lot of people in this city say let me get that dominant guys number. I want to talk to him about this. Good for you. And all the way from san antonio appreciate your passion. My brother merry christmas. Shot sows michelle. Coming back here as we continue passion. Galore over a guy. Well dominic set it soda at home program so the weight loss dot com soda weight loss dot com. It's changing lives man. I can sit here and tell you because you guys know how it is. Think about how you feel when you come out of holiday. Maybe just from eating or something. Oh my gosh. What i do that. There was great. It's awesome but man and then think how you feel when you get back and kicked into that thing soda. Weight loss dot com soda at home program. Click on the nationwide tab in the upper left hand corner subtle weight loss dot com and see what's changing lives. Eighty percent of the nutrition comes from soda. Twenty percent you'll learn how to eat. They teach you how to do it. This is not a diet. there's no miracle pill workout thirty minutes a day. you don't have to spend a military workout seven days a week or running up and down the court eight hours a day to lose weight. Eat right be accountable. Proper nutrition exercise in. And you'll watch the pounds three to five pounds fall off weekly. It's doing it forever all over this building did it for me. Forty plus pounds. I'm the maintenance phase you can do it to life changer. Not a diet to weight loss plan and it is a life changer and it is a lifestyle change soda weight loss dot com the soda at home program. There is nobody better than you know. What pride wise you look pretty good to sorta weight loss dot com subtle weight. Loss dot com. Sean salisbury show continues on sports. Talk seven hundred home for your home team. Tyco jake said. Dominic spoke for all rockets fans and i respond. Yeah that's an. It was an epic about three. And a half minute rant. It will be up. Emcees gonna get that thing up on the sports seven ninety dot com blog. There are no cuss words. It was right on if you want to hear a great rant from guy who you could tell. It wasn't just a ramp for people to listen to. It was a deep in the soul. Matter of fact. Tyler stood up doggone producers box and gave him a standing ovation cell dominic. That rent will be up if you're listening at sports. Seven hundred dot com for those of you that like he heard part of it and said what would i miss share with your friends because i think he speaks for the majority of people because he loves harden. But you can love somebody and still disagree with. What's going on and feel disrespected. And i think that's the whole word throughout all this. It's not easy talented. It's not are they better without him as a player on the court. Of course you know. He made a great point about two. Don't do it. The texans didn't give away a great player for just cents on the dollar. Hit it all man and it was epic and a was passionate. And i'm a fake hot take rant doesn't really do much for me. But a passionate hot rant that's epoch and deepen the soul in your gut feeling dominic awesome and it was all the way from san antonio as a rockets fan while he was working so even if your boss give him a give a little christmas bonus for that three but read because he deserves it great stuff. Let's get to ed and welcome in doing sean. I agree with you. The dominant ramp up the phone because he said a lot of the things. I wanted to say But i actually bought something Last week to your afternoon guys. They've got destroyed behind it. I compared pardon to taylor swift and also claimed he didn't have a heart basketball. I q never taking away anything of his abilities and amazing basketball player. But i think over the past couple of years is brain. Doesn't engage when it shirt basketball wise. Also with this trade thing. The taylor swift reference was when taylor swift was running through boyfriends like hot and cold running water everyone looked at the boyfriends and it got to a point where kayla gotta say maybe. It's me Dwight howard chris paul russell westbrook. None of them could do it. Well maybe you had a little maybe you were somewhat complicit in not taking it to the next level and with you coming out and demanding a trade to a specific team. Let's the public and the league. No you really don't know how these things work. You don't have a no trade clause say where you go and make again to telman. And the rockets fund office for knock the pitch relating and just get rid of him. 'cause he wanted to go get the best you can get for him. Get his value. If that means trading him to siberia to minnesota or sacramento. So be it. You wanted to trade. We decide where you go. All right and And had i don't disagree with you. And i'll let you finish but i don't want the with reference to the taylor swift thing i see where you're going that i agree with it or comes a point time when stuff starts to happen and we're always pointed something else and then you finally got to start to say well wait a second now instead of point. The finger there. Maybe we got a point the thumb back at the dude who keeps getting pushed out of the building. Or in taylor swift's case somebody else. Why does the relationship always seemed to be somebody else's fault. Maybe maybe it's james that's a cause of this great player and just as battle leader as good a player and obviously while he's a hell of a player he sure isn't exactly the respect factor is waning right now when it comes to the way this city and this organization has been treated by him. I think it's exposure sean. Yep i think he's i think he's exposed himself and now like a nut. I heard another radio guys. Say what james harden is doing right. Now is destroying his legacy. You're talking about. He's shown his true colors. Is what your problem is with the showing who he is and you know that and that's not gonna help him because now another team doesn't wanna put up with that. Another team doesn't wanna get damaged goods so to speak like you're not going to buy a ferrari with a blown engine right. You know i can afford added. You know what you make a point about this and i can't thank you enough for calling before i let you go is is the when you get to. We've seen this movie before with other stars different sports we have. We ain't gabby. You're right we have and it gets the point and then you know what happens. They ended up playing for two or three teams. Because then somebody in that building gets tired of it and then he used them as an asset. We've seen the movie before and this is how it starts my man. You're right yup great call. The merry christmas did appreciate you same to you. Okay appreciate it. yeah i we have seen the movie national. How this movie ends it for him. But i can tell you this endless people somebody out there. Oh he's still going to go score serious heels quite great player you being to be in the all star game he he. He's a great player. But you'll never win an mvp again. Unless he goes somewhere and completely changes right. And i can tell you this as we've said two different phrases you and i we discussed i say it. Because you're a pro and get paid doesn't make you a profession right and the other side and you had mentioned it when i said great player in you'd mentioned the great player doesn't always mean great success and when it comes to this guess what we don't play around the nba court. This ain't a one on one gimmick all star. You know the we're doing at halftime of a game. This isn't golfer where you're you everything you do on you brother. This is other people accountable. We hear it all the time. We'll watch out for others while you're watching out for yourself in all walks of life and that what you're supposed to do for your family and isn't that what you're supposed to do for your teammates. I think so pretty confident. Yeah sports talk seven ninety. The talk continues next. Sean sounds on sports. Talk seven high. Were astros in rockets. Play real texans talk. Jimmy hardened have you have we. We've had some phenomenal passionate Really good points made on you. Callers and listeners phenomenal about james harden because we simply asked the question is and the emotion it evokes is awesome. We simply ask. The question is what we understand. Where the rockets are. And but where are they gonna end up and win is their threshold where the line is in the sand that gets so deep into the sand that it it's done with it. I mean and jesse wells brought up one of our great listeners. On and dan tweet guys was windy eventually. Basically say okay at seventy cents on the dollar. That's enough when when is getting to that so whether it's raphel stone or whether it's You know. Stephen silas. And tillman for tita win today. Think we've had it and its fans and you guys have you had it. Are you at your wit's end where you say. I don't care what we get return or you the one like dominic or we just had ed calls now you don't get to dictate a dude. You're going to stay and you made a point. His salary is two hundred. Eighty nine thousand dollars again. Gema ninety percent of america will make that a year. now. I don't get in anybody's want good. Fuck i've always saying worth worth what you can negotiate but let me just put this plain and simple to you. He's making far more money that he's getting far more money than he's giving respect. That's my point. They giving up because one of the court. Jane's gonna play. Yeah giving respect is. You're not getting your talk about. Not getting two cents on the dollar. You are not getting the respect on the dollar. You deserve for the money. You're paying him as a city or an organization with the way he's treating this us. If you're a team player during this how would what would your breaking point. Be the first time you throw a basketball at me. He'd be i. I'd beat him. Like a drum almost dropped an f pump. I would. I would hit him forty seven times before he notice. He didn't throw it in a veteran. Of course not. And i i if i my playing career and i'm just isn't like james. I wanna fight him now as a teammate. In this kind of situation if you had if you had a quarterback he would be on now. Now they probably get pissed at me beyond the i l. for about twenty one days because it had a hard time breathing out of the nose and seeing of both is and it's hard to shoot. Three's doing that so yeah it's hard to do that. So if you're asking me as a teammate. And he threw a ball of me. because he's james harden it wouldn't have gone and picked up the ball. Let me just put it to you that way. Yeah and it would. It would have been. It would have been an ass whooping of epic proportions. I don't care that he's a starting native probably set by out. Read out of the building. Oh well my dignity and respect. And i'm not but you push me to a it would have been like you're doing this in front of my kids and my family now. This ain't happening right so at that point in time the star power and who the guy is on. Your team goes out the window right. Yeah complete so. I don't but so this doesn't equal success. We're asking you guys where your breaking point is with harden john. We'll get to you tyler. Let me ask in. Mci i want to get you tie breaking play right now. Where is it. It's really weird. Considering i've been here for three weeks and i've already had it with this guy. He came one day. He is the guy who loves the lakers but can't stay abroad meeting you. So there you go. He is beyond spoiled. He acts like a child omega. If i acted like this kid my mom would have beat my ass that that belt. That belt wouldn't have felt good on the backside right. We had the charter school. Thank you very much. Yeah that Who who of us old school hadn't been there right there. You go tyler this question because you only been here for three weeks but we've gone through the year all the stores. Which is this. Been the most annoying store to talk about in this case. Twenty twenty because think about. We had the biggest most annoying calendar year. We had the. We've had texas tech lost at chiefs right o'brien. Gm o'brien trades hopkins. We've had astros cheating scandal that firing of hinch luneau like all injuries. The biggest one which one's the most annoying the biggest one was obviously the astros situation. Yeah that one did become a dining. I mean yeah but the mode when we're talking about annoying now. The dumbest one was o'brien and hopkins. Yeah and it evoked a lot of emotion. The reason why this is the most annoying is because what you're paying him in the city's treated him in the red carpet you've given. I can see if the city la jay was one of those where he was really accepted here. And it's always been kind of a fistfight between the city and the you know one of those tips from the start. It's been dude. What do you want under the christmas tree here here here here. I feel like spongebob here. On what are you want him to do this. This is the most annoying. Because he's the biggest star. That's acting the most annoyed hopkins never said anything now. And that was the the that hurt the worst astros. The one that stung even more but with the dumbest was bill brown with hopkins. Yeah and the one. That's the most annoying and the most selfish in the most disrespectful is this one because he's your star and you look for your star to be the most hopefully most mature the guy who stands out in front of it all and is willing to take shots to the face and still keep coming. He's the guy was running to the end of the line while everybody else is taking shots to the face. Forhes ass now. You're getting me where. I wanna find him kidding me. No but you you jacked up when i play. This is of all like it. I say i said the the hopkins one got me in my brings anger anger though to the astros one. Got to the point where it was like. Here's a hired in. I was but i was also. I didn't want to come in and talk about but we're also going through the year then when you got a lot of covid here's the problem with the. Here's the difference mc. Let me if i if i read you right and john hang on right. There is see with hopkins. He didn't it was his doing right to even behind the scenes intellect white proxy performed with harden. It's his doing right. Yeah it's it's his doing so. And like i said it's never personal because i'm sure james and you hang out probably a good for the one time. I met him. Good dude i mean. I talked to him off. Seemed like a good enough dude. But i don't have to practice with them every day so to answer your question of planning through basketball at me. It wouldn't end. It will for him. Yeah and then the physically. Now i'd have probably been on the first trade out of town sean. You can't okay. I got it. But that's that time has passed. But i would imagine that that some of his players even if they like him growing weary of the constant questions. That's a problem. Oh god yes. Let's get to john john. Welcome in man how you doing. Hey guys how ya'll this week. Good buddy hey check it out man like you. Just said sean. You'd be on the first plane now but pardon. I'm a grown ass man. I will win your book. Utah basketball football one. Glove your draws. I will win your book. You do james on all the basketball players. They're all bunch of jesus old rats and why because the fans kissed the books they think they can do. No wrong the owners just google gaga over. They go here. They go there. They put these superstar teams together. Keen frigging baby. Cryer himself in la. Do this look. James harden has been catered to by the city of houston with strict clubs. And all of that. And he ain't there nothing. So what if he's in the scoring title raises every year won't be dude Day but let me ask now. Let me ask you question. Why does anybody think that. Jerry jones got the rose bowl. Why did the rose bowl. Why did you. Why didn't dumb ass cow mcnair put. His name are going to be in the playoffs. Because you know what. Is johnny. Wanna know why you wanna know why because larry elder with all got a better stadium being better stadium. But i'll tell you this too honestly giants in an area that's open out there but more importantly for all the disliked for some that. Don't like jerry around you know the jerry's jerry. He's a genius at marketing and making money and he doesn't if a big boxing match comes out. You ain't avidan guesses who's getting you damn right. Is he gonna get. There's a star game. They're playing football. Listen if all of a sudden the final four said you know what we're bidding between three. Jerry will find a way to make sure that he makes it conducive for you to win jerry's a genius marketer and a genius at making money john man. Yeah yeah but i know it's going. I don't remember due to portland is then shipping bookcase. Chant his new york. Let him go. Play for the knickebocker. Yeah the merry christmas and a happy new year balance. And and i'll all right. Merry christmas happy new year to you too john. The new york knicks. Now he'd make a lot of endorsement money. It's the mecca of basketball day gonna win much. Ain't got anything out one though and by the way he's talking about you know playing games at energy they do have stuff coming up in energy. The final four is back here in twenty three and the college football playoff does come here in looking for real quick. It's in a few years and the championship game. Two thousand twenty three twenty twenty four season here. Oh yeah with game in really. Were getting a lot more stuff. Because the last suit role awesome but jerry jerry. Jump right and say hey listen. They don't want it to go in there. I don't wanna brigadier that's right and you know the facilities. Just phenomenal better stadium. It is what's the it's big and you know with those. If you're putting especially in a time we were not now but if you were putting fans in the stands got the concourses like nine miles wide. Yes it's true and the parking's for day so you can do it quickly. Get the c. J. before we take a break. Cj wilson graham. How you doing good buddy i. I'm you know my little soapbox a little bit. I'm a houston native. I'm born and raised here. I love my city but this year has been. I can say one of the worst years and he's the history and honestly i can. I can be honest about every away and house to say right now. Dave harding would be considered the worst to me right now. Just because of the simple fact is he had everything that anybody could ever ask for sofa for me for him to be acting away. He's acting to do what he has done to. The city right now basically says screw city. So i'm really soft with him. I would pay. The astros would be the least of my concern because i guess as a texan. The in means just like we did what we had to do to win the championship. And we know that other teams did it so hey fair enough feel some type of way. Yup take it how you wanna take it. You know texas. Is it still like we. Could we not do any worries like bill. O'brien with everything that we've been telling them. He was for three years now and all he did was every fan right. 'cause we've been telling you all he was an idiot. He's been an idiot. And he pulled everybody white by trained deondraye hopkins so for me being he's stony and i just wanna say he was on his. We don't keep our face and not sales and know that it's going to be by today. We get are not here. We go get a glare and we're going to be better but is music and cj twenty twenty one is going to be better all the way around right my man. Oh yeah we to be better. I promise we go better from this man. Christmas eve we.

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Time To Go In?

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"What the Hell we were supposed to dress up Giordano them to highly questionable I'm not that innocent anymore it's easy Gutierrez very hurt let the tanking begin in San Francisco let's do this again it was an amazing run by these nationals it was really interested in kind of quirky in the World Series Osberg out there looking like the best pitcher in postseason history you got Anthony Ren don't when the better team frank when you win one hundred seven games in the regular season which by the way tough big time pitching when they needed it from Strasbourg and of course Max Scherzer and it's the dodgers to win that series and then the two run home run last night they got contributions they've had the most wins in a span of three seasons but baseball is two seasons it's a marathon during of the stick the fact that no home team won in this series is just really unprecedented benign when teams that have won the super bowl before this is no different than Major League Baseball I see what you did dealing and you had Garrett Cole in the bullpen here and obviously Garrett Cole and his and I did the Astros do the right thing here I think they did the wrong thing by taking Zach cranky out of hit until Anthony Rendon hit that home run you still get it he walked Soto but those all of a manager not using his gut right and not seeing not using what is is tell him he's using what end of the last game he could've finished that last game those last couple of outs and you saved him for this particular and that would be awkward for him and if you lose then you're saying what are you doing you guys had the better bullpen season so why not take your chances with we've seen other pitchers do this before successfully then I think if you go back to Max Scherzer a few years ago in a game five against the cubs they brought him guys to me it's not who we brought in its factories took Zach Cranky out of the game he up in the bullpen then all of a sudden I think all these points are mood but the fact that he was up and throwing aw boy oh my God Britney Britney Brittany in the neighborhood of seven years two hundred plus million if he does decide to opt out and everybody expects US brought the world series to this franchise for the first time in franchise history this seems like a no brainer to me ninety five right to the Bronx because if the nationals zone pay him the Yankees absolutely around that they won how important pitching you need to studs and they have two of them teaching that you need he's been the most dominant pitcher in this postseason as we talked about Garrett Cole was a close you gotta be able to open up that wallet it's not going to be easy to retain his services they're gonNA have go Gimme more is agents going to say that to so Kevin Durant I decided to talk to Stephen Smith and the fellas and here's what he talked about in get us to You know minute fast because if season and then I don't recall the answer to this question did that play a role in you leave and go to stay a little also talked about it but definitely for sure I'm not GonNa lie about it I mean to be honest everybody's type of teammate for that matter kyrie irving is not everybody's type of teammate but you know we all heard this before that blow up that they had at staples center that Kevin reason why Kevin Durant went to the wars you know what you're getting which Raman Green he's an ultra competitive thing wrong with that let's I'll put on draymond green because in the heat of the battle you got into it on Thursday he said it himself he said played a little bit of a roll okay this is right leaving we all knew as everyone is pointed out here on this panel that he wanted something else art when he cries cries cries his heart because he not all the time Oh yes it's the best cat fight in the history of the NBA Karl Anthony Towns Joel Embiid in every whatever reason whether it's soft or anything else and here Joel embiid essentially defending explained by the Philadelphia Seventy sixers with Karl Anthony towns in rear naked be just hugging the day before Karl Anthony towns shut up in Philadelphia and he ran and then Joel embiid started in on social media and Instagram with the name calling insults there's going a tough town right a bunch of fighters broadstreet bullies he did all of that he got the crowd included Jimmy Butler back into this knowing that Jimmy Butler has beef with Karl Anthony The second round list you've never been to the second round now that's the standard that's the baseline standard making that's a guaranteed George sounds like a big deal right now franky with him on that no I'm not Well last night the warriors were trailing fifty to nineteen and that was before Steph curry to get sort of a rebound after those two games and maybe put something together to fight for a playoff spot it just doesn't seem like there's anything to play for here why wouldn't they tank well they do have their been to the Golden State Warriors in their last six games dating back to last season they lost Kevin Durant by Phoenix. They're just not a good team right now and it's funny with Joe Lake a few years ago he said as a bunch of rookies draymond Willie Collie Stein and Kevon looney they don't have anyone that's healthy Steph is this decision and try to get another store there in the lottery to help clay draymond instead a good idea might WanNa go do it right about now coming up next on my cell Stevie show about a non travel call because he got away with do the last year but that's one two three four `these no one will even let me into the House I knock knock but they ignore me you I'm having a breakthrough it's not easy to be a vampire but with gyco it's Super Eh Brittany George we could be answered I feel like I kind of look like Pippi

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"Here comes the big gun, buddy. There goes there goes the big gun. Bobby? I'm really sorry. That is he's here again today. Oh, I know welcome to highly questionable. I'm Dan lebatardshow. Busy good is here that wasn't on air. Was it? What do you like on the show today is he? Valley puppy. He said done to believe the rockets will win the series. Okay. So two games ago. We were asking this question another way. Now, Houston just does what it's supposed to do. When it's also a great team. And we knew they might be a problem for Golden State because this looks and feels like the finals in intensity and everything else, but what's happened in this series. That's been surprising is Houston's math is this. We're going to out three the warriors. And eventually it's going to come in our favor over the years that hasn't been something that we thought would work than anyone could out three the warriors. But in every game in this series. They have out three the warriors. And when you look at last night's game they missed sixteen of their final twenty shots, and they still even the series. They want any good late. They're just making threes better than the warriors. Are oh I hope the NBA finals were as good as last night. Because last night was amazing was everything you wanted from this series. You saw fishing James harden? You saw Steph and d doing pretty well at the same time the guy. That's confusing me as Klay Thompson. Maybe he's hurt. But he did not look like a quality defensive player yesterday. Meanwhile, on the rockets, you've got Eric Gordon looking like a superstar you've got PJ Tucker being the most important player on that team seemingly in the fourth quarter. And what you're seeing is that the warriors are not deep and this K D. Steph clay, Draymond that that foursome needs to do everything essentially for that team. And that includes rebounding James harden, Chris Paul Erik Gordon. They're outrebounding the shooters and K D for the warriors. So the idea of turning it on and off the danger. There is you almost forget what you have to do these warriors, Katie Stephan Klay. They have to do pretty much everything they have to play hard. They have to defend and they have to rebound to make up for the deficit because the league has caught up in some ways. Charles Barkley has said that Klay Thompson is the league's best two way player, that's probably Leonard. But when your that you can't get torched by James harden, no matter how great he is even in a series where they don't even need your offense. I need to be able to guard him smartly. Do not foul him. Do not do dumb things. Klay thompson. I don't know how much blame you wanna give a third or fourth guy on the team. But the rockets only have two guys you're going to blame. And there's a third here on the warriors that you could blame if you want to do some blaming after losses man, I tell you want the you know, where that game mostly so that that's ninety where in the free throw line go. This is about ten free throws. I couldn't believe it. You know what I mean? Don't this analysis back on for these leg? It be these thoughts. These started dealing, you know, look at that sheet, buddy. Look at this guy. Yeah. Look see me about free throw Sunday. Those by today point might be the most boring thing you've ever said on the ship free from my father. Okay. The looked at the stash did my homework. I ruined your show inside of two minutes. I'll look at it right before bed. How's that? Shoo shoo you aboard the carrier in blamed train. That was not a very good train. You want to try it again, much better. They blame game in Boston. This looks like the last part of Kyrie irvings Boston career, and he goes out shooting about thirty percent. And a lot of the blame is gonna fall the him because he's been on happy all season has been vocal about it. And that team has underachieved, but you could put just as much blame. If you want on Gordon Hayward and on Brad Stevens for trusting Gordon Hayward because the improvement from this team when it made the conference finals last year was supposed to come from two guys not one and neither one of them has showed up you can blame a lot of different things for what the Celtics aren't doing. But the most entertaining part about this Celtics team all season long is trying to analyze Kyrie Irving himself here. He is even after this game the game after he said he won't go eight for twenty two again, go seven for twenty two. And then tells everybody how great the shooter he is. It's almost as if he thinks that we don't believe he has the ability to. Do these things we know you have the ability of the skill. You're just not summing it when necessary and that's been the big discussion around kyri when he got to Boston, Ken. He be the true number. One quiet Leonard's. Do it. Yana sounds at the coupons doing Joe kitchens doing it. There are other people doing it. He is not doing it. So he needs to do more. And that's all people are saying, they're not questioning everything about who. You are to be fair though, we all knew going into this round of the playoffs that Boston was the worst remaining team. And so when Kyrie Irving is out there missing shots like that. When we know him to be a shotmaker in may have something to do with the other team being a top five defense. That's really long kyri Irving is still smaller. No matter how many moves that he has. And that Milwaukee defense is a problem for any score. You will see why look something like that to against that team because that defense can do that to anybody. You also need to take into account that he was expected to have an all star Gordon Hayward. And it's expected to have a budding superstar in Jason Tatum. And both those guys have leveled off severely. What I gotta give pope years credit wise that well he will try. See me as well. So it's pretty much over. Now. He did he just doesn't series. It's over. That's all he said, he didn't tell us why. Or who? Shelves sparkly Gracie for seventy bucks, we'll win the title. Shack is crazy for when Kenny Smith and earning are talking about things seriously. They will play the video for you here shack and just making faces at a camera for a full forty seven seconds. Not listening to anything that they're saying in terms of series basketball, Nelson. But one of the serious basketball announces that came from this show last night was Charles Barkley telling you something that you should be paying attention to Milwaukee has been the best team in the league all season long point differential has been better than anybody's and they can smother just about anybody if Golden State looks vulnerable against Houston. They could also look vulnerable against Milwaukee. What happened okay? I didn't notice it. And he was doing that. Take note, Paul Pierce. If you're going to be prisoner of the moment. Don't just talk about the current series. Do the Charles Barkley thing. Charles Barkley is saying the books aren't only gonna win this series. But the Knicks to and if you look at the books they have more evidence to prove what Charles Barkley is saying forget all the numbers. Forget what not to Cooper who can do. Just look at the makeup of the team. If the structure is there to superstar and everybody else falls in place. There's no drama. There's no questions about touches. There's no worry about system. It is just a team emerging and trying to get the best out of their town. They seem to be the best prepared team to go on and win a championship right now. Can I say something you're going to say whether it give you permission or not Charles Barclay doesn't. Okay. There we go. All right, Charles. How about some of that? Junior setting expectations too high. It's like these people don't know that the Browns have been an international laughing stock for more than a decade. Now, it's been more than a decade since this team won more games than it lost in a season. And now it's one seven and it won't shut up. And I'm here for it. Because they're going into the season as the most interesting team in the league because with the swagger of their quarterback with Dell Beckham telling you, hey, we plan on being the patriots we plan on winning again. And again, no humility walking through the door. This team has a chance if it is good or even if it's bad to be hugely interesting. Just because it's got people willing to swagger into a huddle. That's no nothing. But losing for a decade a huddle that's been surrounded by laughter's. Compare Baker Mayfield to Brit far. Right. That's about the closest thing. He got right here because the patriots. Well, if you wanna see you're going to be a great team. The patriots aren't the team that's loaded with superstar talent and first round picks. And swagger. No, you're not going to be the patriots. I mean, you may be the the best show on turf or something like that. So that comparison not a big fan of the thing. I do love though is this organization. These players these towns, they don't care who the coaches. They don't care what the organization is. They believe that with their talent they can win at the highest level. So this is just Odal Beckham taking you into the mind of the players. And frankly, the Cleveland Browns will be run by these players because if they don't succeed they're not getting rid of the players. They're getting rid of everybody. Yeah. Well, and the coaches supporting this the coaches laid back, this is not a culture guy. This guy is here for supporting guys talking big thinking big playing big this Brown's team is having an identity change right in front of you. It happened before del Beckham got they've got talent all along their defensive line. They are believing that they can win more than we've seen him win over the last ten years. So he said there do we the new patriots? That's right. I mean, they're going to start cheating. Meeting although Larry get a game ball one time for going number two on the sideline from Belichick story. Next all highly questionable. Oh god. That is hard to do. As I mentioned the Twitter, Tony reality. When he's sent me this and said, congratulations. I said, thank you know, you can't do anything closer difficult for me to roll those dumbbells at just the right time at Michael Smith. I'm to play the game. That was the guy chanting New York Knicks the warriors game last night. Do you quest? You knew that boy sounded familiar you give us topics in advance. We question what a strange thing to chanted that game. Do your question. If this were entertaining interviews, Boston Bruins have advanced here to the next round goodbye to the Columbus, blue jackets. Here's Brad Marchand being interviewed on the ice. I and then we're going to check in second interview with him. Brad you said after the third game in the series panic in what can you say the way your group handled the next three games and ultimately advancing to the conference finals? Good job. The rest was saying this poor isn't getting the younger. What do you make of the opportunity to lies ahead of you? It's been fun. So I see where this is going here. Alaska, one more about your line and got back together. You had said the chances over there were just starting to bury these last few games. What kind of are you three in good? Thanks. Wow. That was a fishing. The joy, you could just feel pouring from his every pore like champagne and salute. Go back really to the beginning their salute go back to his hair. I want to just check out that amazing tire streak that is amazing television air, I got credit that before we go to the next interview here. Let's go to the next interview. I'm sorry. I'm just keeping him moving. Let's go to the second interview off the ice. Great. No. And you guys be here without the way. He's playing. Can you guys play off whenever he's making stuff like that? Love to look dented to you. Obviously not. Short answers. That's good. There's a feel it's been a while. Where'd you get that China? Different forms. One of the series won the last week. We won. How does that help these? You have a few words you're gonna saying this. What's been able to separate the way? You guys have played on the road. Interesting. This one of the more. So that you. Season. Really? Carolina. We've got. This. Candidate. Yes. You feel a little crispy? Was that? Because. I'm no hockey expert. That sounds like a guy who was just kind of upset about media coverage earlier in that series. Maybe earlier in the playoffs and is paying them back. But that previous one on the ice my worst nightmare. I have literally had nightmares align. Russell westbrook. Doing exactly that to me. It's nineteen questions. Thirty nine words. Do you question? If this is a good workout. There's no setup for this. We have zero information except for the question is this a good workout. No, man. Gosh. Play. The reaction of me is at my father at the same moment in slow motion all of us getting scared that clips got hall of fame potential that we've got scared by that sound it sounded like something gone off near the pool. The question if this is a good workout. Okay. Is this a good workout? They have again, given us no information is this a good workout. Oh, God that is hard to do as I mentioned the Twitter to Tony reality. When he sent me this and said, congratulations. I said, thank you know, you can't do anything closer for me to roll those dumbbells at just the right time had Michael Smith. But that's why I practiced. Oh my God. Circus Soleil that is indeed a good workout. I assure you. There's some strong shoulders happening. Well, the havoc wish it for you guys. He's this abled workout another one. Yeah. Go ahead. Give them right post. Get them, right. Careful. Get them. Right. Coach. Oh, no. Oh, no. Is not good. Good. Questionable. These broadcasts. The Cleveland their hotel beautiful, south beach Miami. Questionable. These broadcasts. Neverland their hotel beautiful, south beach Miami. Play the game has sold the game. Lookout lady. It comes with this looked up and he did it swamp. See no, you tell us what to watch on television tonight. We'll take for intrigued on that before. Tonight on NBC sports net stars in blues. Crazy these play offs in hockey have been crazy game sevens or great. They are their own promotion. But here is one of the team's doing its own promotion. Saint Louis winner-take-all. It's going to be big needed Indies loud as it's ever been. Promotion from one of our. Wasn't a video here. This is how you cover a kings seven. This is this entire show doing the hockey. What that guy did at the end of the players on the ice is entry. No, I used to be kind of short term blues fans. But that's when they had shattenkirk on their team because that's a name. I feel like you can't really say on television. But he's not your you intrigue. Sees you kidding me. Game seven will miss stuff all the world to get to you guys. Get against seven. Well, I again one then there's again two then there's three then four as an added. The maybe this again five maybe maybe this against that. I all these other. You're right there, you know, facing game seven. That blue should've thought of that on the video. This is what you need to know. All right. I don't know if you saw any of his fingers, but each of his fingers kept moving and when he did game four it was still two fingers. And when he did game five it was still two fingers. And he didn't know what to do with game six. I gotta figure for you. Streaming on a Andy, bro. The show is deeply disturbing. Okay. It's disgusting. We are just looking at rotten toes. My father has rotten toes. You should see the shoes the decorative shoes maple show them to you at the end of the show that he has on today to cover those rotten toes. Let's see what we've got from the toe, bro. Oh, no, even bigger no around with. No, really tough guy to being Adams told look really painful that nail looks like it's taking right into the skin. Do you wanna watch you do I like to watch this type of? So your nail is going to be a little bit narrower. The most important things is that it's not gonna come back. Snails? Why did I look look how much with heading on? That when I side. This time this happened on believably. We're all finished no morning. Every time. It's happened to these. Why? Why televising this this trusted any? Toenails. It's almost like come on, man. Remember what the overcame? God awful is intriguing. A dan. I'm one hundred percent. I mentioned this. The last time of got this corn on my rake to it's getting out of control. It looks like a whole 'nother toe. I kinda wanna know what Tober has to say about us. This sweat is real. I am fell popular you and train. Oh CC cheek. I'm very g you know, you'll save my toenails. You wanna see them? Oh, no. No, no. In your pocket. Really? Here. That's what ever thank you for watching. Dan, dan. You wanna see some post? Let me show you where they got.

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"Great news. There's a quick way you can save money. Switch to Geico. Geico could help you get great coverage at a great price. And it only takes fifteen minutes to see if you could save fifteen percent or more on car insurance. Go to Geico dot com today and see how much you could save. Be incredible inextinguishable rise at the Toronto. Raptors canada. Up on top. Also, the calamitous tragic expiration of the warriors. Here's panel. Open ended on God for the. What a confluence for ponderous of absurd storylines. There's only ten or fifteen possible questions. So this'll be quick is how Parana is on top of the world today. Finally, how qui- became the best player in the world this year how quite turned into a fungi, how Vic nurse became Nick nurse guy, Larry calorie fridge lamb beat the how ways ACL follow Durant's achilles. Whether the warriors showed more heartened meddled, a loss and three championships. They had in the years prior Israel Gutierrez. I you how did this happen it happened? Because messiah jury the general manager was willing to take a huge gamble and bring in Kuwait, Leonard possibly for one year at happened because this team took on quite Leonard's personality more and more as a season went along. And by the end of it in the finals, they were all these stone cold ice in their veins type of players even Kyle Lowry who we've said. Entirely different a few years ago and throughout his playoff career it happened because PASCAL Siaka went from a nice player to a budding superstar and it happened. Because Marcus soul got traded onto that team. I don't think they would have been able to do that with you on his balance you. Same question. UK be, how did this happen? It also happened because Dwane Casey met Nick nurse, when Nick nurse was an assistant coach for Great Britain's national team and saw something in him that others didn't and decided to hire him as an assistant coach. It also happened because as an assistant coach Nick nurse. Talk the team into making space on their roster. For some guy named Fred van bleak. In really well with their offense, and it also happened because of Leonard and how this team gelled and also because of the situation how this finals play. Okay. Be you're giving quiet and also there whereas Gutierrez's leading with quite George Sodano. Can you answer this question as well. How this happened to this franchise right now. It, it happened with messiah, Jerry. But here's the thing, it happened because he decided that he couldn't tank after trading Rudy gay. He was going to trade cow Larry to the Knicks the Knicks rebuffed that deal. And then they said ongoing at this point, and then why when when all that went down, and he was traded to Toronto. He called Kyle Larry said, look, I know you lost your best friend, man. But I'm here to win. And I need you to help me win. So those things then took it took took place. And then the team took a wise lead at that point. And then here we are. And what he page. The turnip greens in the court. Brad didn't get my into the table. There's nothing that bonehead crap to tell you. How did this happen because five of the top seven players of the warriors got hurt? I didn't play this year that I wanted to go. Are you putting an asterisk on this then are you did you just do that because I've heard people do this? No. I mean we go back in history. There have been other situations similar in, in the playoffs and even in the finals, and yet we look back and we go, oh, that's in the bulls won. And that's the year that the Lakers, one we don't really concentrate on this. It will be remembered. But it's in the second. Okay, you're not putting an asterisk, but let me ask it this way. Would he do? You believe the better team won the NBA finals this year? Yes, I do the way they played defense because quite littered was the best player in the series and because of the job that Nick nurse did, I'll coaching Steve, Kirk. How will the finals be remembered? Now that what he said that I want to ask you that Israel. What percentage raptors what percentage the injuries that Golden State had, I think, it'll just go in two different directions. I don't think because look if Kawhi Leonard continues to emerge as the best player in the league for a little while or superstar that can win a championship with any league. It's still going to be remembered as the first championship that he won after San Antonio. Toronto's first championship and cetera. But just like you can't ignore the fact that only play twelve minutes in this series and Klay miss some time as well. You can't ignore the fact that these injuries are part of who this team is they've played one hundred plus games for five plus seasons. It was going to happen at some point, and this is the way it happened. Collapsing ugly right before our eyes. That's part of what this team because they weren't so good for so beacon you put it percentage on it percentage of the series was raptors percentage. It was the injuries. The warriors had well right now it certainly seems kind of overwhelming when you see Kevin Durant go down with a blown Aquiles when you see clay go down with an ACL that it has. So. Much to do with injuries. But let me remind everyone that in two thousand fifteen the Cavaliers came into the finals against these warriors without Kevin love who'd been hurting the play offs and then had kyri urban go down in the middle of those finals and had to have had to have a Belva, Dover, a join up with, with LeBron and then try those warriors. How many people look back on that and say, oh, the warriors won that heavenly right about is this one different because it's Durant? And because it's Klay Thompson, and a happened right before our eyes on the court what key moments at probably has they're probably has a lot to do with it. But I think that when you look back, five years from now, I don't think that everybody is going to be remembering that the rewards get your arms around that Toronto really I'm actually going to give you percentages is no one has sixty five percent the raptors thirty five percent for the injuries with the warriors. Here's the deal, man. The, the raptors were seventeen and five this regular season. Without Kawhi Leonard. They are really good team. They won more games than the warriors in the regular season. Even if Kevin Durant was healthy they were as good as anyone this year as far as one through ten on their roster. So you gotta give them a ton of credit. Would he page? I'm a could sixty forty because they won three games on the road. They won five consecutive road games. I mean you gotta give them a great deal of credit for that. The fact again that they look at the warriors they looked old and tired last night worn out curry didn't play very well. I mean what was left of that team? Just the remnants of it just didn't play well the rafters continued to get better. If you think about it during the series, they got stronger. So give them sixty percent forty percent because of what happened. Just pick it up storylines here finals, MBP qui-. How does winning the title change his president is future, and one more thing, and this will take some self reflection on your part, but you guys are you guys a game? Right. Not quite as part. But on your part, what does it tell you about how you viewed him before the way he was talked about through all of last year in San Antonio, the way the work quitter and not a team player was attached to George? I. Well, personally, I was very much side the whole time I always felt like look, these guys know their bodies better than we do. And if they didn't if you didn't feel comfortable in that situation in San Antonio. We should give him the benefit of the doubt in hindsight. We've now seen that with Kevin Durant here recently. Right. And I think that's where we are as people in the media who cover these sports and talk to people. We have to understand that these guys bodies there a temple man. They know their temple better than we do. And we can't just speculate on the way guys feel how the rise of quietude best player in the planet. Do you believe is the best player on the planet right now? Jewish. I think right now he is. I mean he's the best defender in the league, I don't think there's any question about that. And offensively he's shown a skill set that I didn't even think he had. He's the best bad shotmaker in the NBA right now where he was he had guys draped all over him. Reality new is still knocking them down from everywhere k b same questions to you. Can you get into the humanity of it all? And how qui- was talked about last year by people of your ilk. And then how he turned it around this year. Sure. I mean, a lot of people questioned his character, how can you walk away from San Antonio? How can you not want to play for great heritage and dynastic? Well, it turns out, it's not fair. It's a question that can be asked, but to, to suggest that he's not a part of being a team that he can't be a leader. Obviously he put that to rest in this series. And the other thing, people questioned was his health, you know, George brought it up. But how healthy is he is this guy injury prone? Can he get over this? And in this series, we saw him play hurt. He was clearly not as hell. Theory as he had been earlier in the season. And so, the load management issue really wasn't issue. It was something really helped him. So I think that anybody who had any doubts at all about anything about quiet Leonard. Those doubts are, are put to reservoirs. I think the only thing you could have ever questioned about Kawai was his potential, long term health, everything else is entirely unfair because this man doesn't say anything, we're just going to put words in his mouth for him because it was the Spurs organization. It seems they can do. No wrong. We're again going to put words in his mouth or believes in hidden out. This man went from a nice player when he got drafted the potential to be maybe a three d guy to being arguably the best player in the league. You don't do that without loving basketball without working really hard and without caring about yourself and your body. So whatever happened to him in the past, maybe he'll tell us eventually all the details, but right now it was all ask you, this, though, Israel real talk. How much of that is results based, you think because they did win the championship because he did have one of the greatest shots the history of the NBA earlier in this postseason that the team bought into his personality and vice versa. How much of that is results based, I don't think that really has that much to do with just watch him. Even from the last time you saw him play until this year. He has gotten better. After he got better as the year continued this guy, regardless of whether that team would won the championship would've been thought of and would have possibly been the best player in the league. Of course, there's a certain element that we'll be results base is now a champion for the second time you can't view them any other way than that. But I'm talking about always he's a more fun loving guy than we were giving him credit for. He was always that guy. We just weren't focusing on that. I'm using the we hear what he page but you can speak for yourself. He was reserved. I mean you have to admit that this guy never came out when he was in San Antonio. And you have to of remember that with the Spurs, he was not the one number one topic of conversation here. They had a bunch of guys that were more open to speaking, but you used it said the media was responsible for this. What about his teammates there? We kept reporting what Tony Parker was saying about his recovery. What other players were saying about why didn't he show up even you have to go to the coach, who was kinda questioning his motives and his inspiration to actually play the game again. So he had a great reputation. Particularly defensively before wasn't MVP and reputation is even got better now that he's gone through the scraping, I think, though, just just to speak personal here. This is to incredible lessons. We in the media have to walk away from this postseason was the injury that George you were getting to before. And I agree with you on that judging someone else's body. When you're not in it. I mean it's just so flawed in so many ways. But the other is well, quite letter is a different type of personality and members of the media judged him on his reserve nature or whatever word you wanted to put in there, and because he wasn't an extrovert guy it became something, and it became something that they held against him. And that, of course, is not fair and just because he's a winner now it doesn't change that either way less question here. Would he paid for you Toronto Raptors and how they were built does that change the way in any way? You'd think the NBA is going to operate going forward. Sure, I hope covered this league for fifty years, I've always thought, as a former Washington coach said, George Allen. The future is now. I teams we've seen Philadelphia seventy Sixers go through the process. It really what is happening to resolve that they're not champions. I think you always play for today, not tomorrow that it means more to this year that it does, and then not be good for five years, but it does to be in the play. I'll have more on that it's all about messiah cheery the architect of that in vibe or sell real quick longest streak in the NBA right now championships, Patrick McCall. It got me figure. If you're the two hundred eightieth best player in the NBA or buff, you should sign a one year deal every year, and go for twelve championships set. The old it could be a lesson in a row McCall. We'll be back up would put him there with Bill Russell. Welcome back to around the horn coming to you. From the Heineken river deck here. Seventeen. Let's pick it up with the horn ACL Klay Thompson, that he shot the free throws at there's going to be an image at stays with you. And that is it's great. It's unbelievable. Again, it's not analogous the Durant. But I'll say this again, you know, it doesn't prove that he's tough. We shouldn't be valuing whether he's tough or not, and whether he takes free throws or not. It's his body with him. Do what he wants to do, but I digress. So. The incredibly devastating result as the warriors approached their summer here to players approaching free agency out for the entire year. I saw when I report, the warriors are prepared to offer Macktaz forge arraigned Thompson, with at B Y, George. Yes. Absolutely. I think you have to try to bring the band back together. I believe Klay Thompson will be a warrior for life. I think he's going to sign that max deal. We'll see what happens with Kevin Durant. But I also think the warriors will still be a playoff team. I think that Steph curry will have a James harden, like run this next season. I think he's most certainly capable of that. And he'll put him in that page. Georgia, disagree Durant's definitely gonna go somewhere else clay. I think does come back, but you're talking about a bad old bridge. You're talking about the the guys being broken up. I don't think they have to go out retool next year and trying to track new free agents to their new home, in this is the end of the dynasty, what he page. I mean it sounds like that's what you're saying. You don't agree with Draymond green, absolutely Israel Gutierrez. Israel gutierrez. Well, if Katie stays, obviously, they can have a good run for a good amount of time university. He's not the same guy coming back to the achilles injury. But it Claes days alone. I think they have enough with that trio with Draymond step to create something, you know, maybe not a championship favourite type of team, but they would definitely need to work on that debt, which is something that that's not for the next two years. A redshirt year for next year's they load management year for the warriors, especially for salt. So you don't think he could have the year that George thought he was going to have a heart and you would move him back. Well, it may be a Richard year, but let's not forget they're moving into that spiking brand new arena in San Francisco, next year, they just can't go in there with some bump team so they better. They better at free agency. Try to get those contracts on by K D, And by Thompson, and that young bench that old bench needs to get young and needs to get young bats on the dynasty. Let's I'm a face off the Dan owned Blackstone. You believe the dynasties over Georgia? I do not the Spurs won five championships in about fifteen years. I think the warriors as long as they keep the nucleus of clay Draymond. And Steph together they're capable of doing that. I don't think there's any question about it. That trio won one championship. When you put on that team who just loved his achilles. They won two more championships. That's what the dynasty was about unless or until Kate the science to come back with the warriors. The dynasty is an another quick off. Let's through Woody and Israel on the historic nature of the dynasty, all time, would you rank it? Dumber one. Number two. Number three, some thoughts on that. What he? Number five, number one, Russell in red sny. Celtics, the number two Chicago Bulls, with George rules threes. Joe time number four the Spurs, and they're tied with the Celtics. I think it's unfair for the Spurs, but I put the warriors at tied for number three, same order, as Woody with those Lakers because I think you have to give some sort of Boyce to how they changed the game two way. It's played. Steph curry was talked about as a better offense a player that Michael Jordan, for crying out loud. It was only five years, and that's what hurts them. But they changed the only five. Five straight finals trips and that's not that's not happening. You know of the Celtics. All right. Did you guys see the odds for next year? Look at this I don't know. I even believe this. The Lakers are one warriors down on the list raptors down on the list the Knicks on the loose. George could this be true? Lakers one. Yeah, absolutely Tony. You would have to top six or seven type players on the Lakers with the Brian and Anthony Davis if that deal consummated, which I believe it will be and no other team in the NBA would have that so absolutely. They should be favorites. I would actually say, first of all, that L A we'll be the place to be next year. That's true. I would actually flip love the other two. Because what that tells you what the clippers at number three is they assume they're going to get Kawai, if they get Hawaiian built around him, we've seen this four hundred page. Well guys Vegas are betting on to combat. You do it. The craps table. They're saying this is what we think's going to happen. And we're doing it because the entire league is wide open. Now, we haven't seen this wide open when you got the Knicks twenty two and while you think that's a little rap for Lakers feds. I agree with you on that because I you ever read on that. Well, I think it is a trap for Lakers fans. But what I'm amazed by that. We haven't even spent a day with the rafters champions of this league and collide lynyrd to be talking about it the best player in the planet, and they're not even on the list in that in that top. That's not the Washington Wizards either Kevin black. So maybe that. Jerry. Did you see that bomb that came out before, Jerry? I don't know I've seen reporting in Washington suggest that they're not putting it all out there, but it's not just who's going to offer messiah Jiri. It's what he wants to do. I mean he gets the call dot now. The architect of the NBA, who could everybody would want, and what do you page and Kevin black stone the tiebreaker here is going to go in favor of Israel Gutierrez because he had the Toronto Raptors in in the finals. Is that absolutely? It is. Yes, we haven't seen any. Videotape. You don't want to see the video. I got tapes. I. So Dan Gutierrez showdown only time for one and it's going to be USA versus Chile Sunday, all the goals, all the celebrations versus Thailand early this week. Todd was ranked thirty fourth in the world, Chile is ranked thirty nine now, they play in different confederations, whether that means one's better than the other you guys can ascertain that on your own. But the question I have for you and George, you could start us off. You think the way the game for Thailand played out will change the way US plays Sunday and react Sunday. What would that mean? I don't think it changes the way they play, they're gonna keep attacking and scoring as much as possible. But I do think the way they celebrate could be different but they won't admit to that part of it. They'll just say, hey look, we had people who scored their first goal in that first match. That's no longer the case. We've been there and we've done that. And that's why it'll be muted. I don't think that they will, and I don't think that they should this, this team has a group of leaders that are defiant. They're not passive this. Is the stuff that these women have worked their entire lives for? And if they are on the verge of the most dominant World Cup run ever, which after that first game you never really know. It could be the may should celebrate every single goal because this is what they're going to remember most for their entire believe the criticism in any way is a conversation in the back of their heads at this point right now, Israel. I do and I do, but I do think they're going to be defined about it, and they're going to celebrate at the level, whatever that feels normal and natural. Well, let's see what your celebrators level normal natural for you. Is there a good Sierras take the FaceTime? Thank you very much. I'd like to spend a little bit of time talking about this Tyson fury. Tom Schwartz fight. It's on ESPN plus on Saturday, just wanted to let you guys know what it feels like to watch Tyson fury, man, who's been very open about it beliefs. Including the fact that homosexuality and the acceptance of it is a sign that the world is ending. It makes me feel like I don't matter. It makes me feel like my friends don't matter. It makes me feel like my partner doesn't matter. It takes me right back from my teenage years in my early childhood. When I looked around and thought everybody was looking down on me that, that I'm lesser than just because this way, I was born, but I'm still gonna watch and I'm going to hope that it strengthens me because it's because of guys like that, that I have to fight every single day. Thank you very much, Israel, Golan, anybody else to find where you are. The monday.

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"Saddam show here on ESPN LA, Matt Barnes. Alec clifton. Kurt Morrison hanging out with us today. We're gonna get to what the Lakers priorities should be this off season. Now that they finally have a coaching staff and place. Well, reportedly, of course, we don't know for sure you're what's going on over there. Kirk funches rolling the tape a promo. Yeah. And you know Morales over there. Yeah. So you mess up. Right. And it's just not where we're gonna take that. We're going to keep that. Yeah. So because he just wants to use it to clean you late. Basically. That's basically how it works or more pressure to, you know, stay on point with the promo. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. So it's gonna be a crazy promo author coming up soon. I know I'm sure I'm sure I mean, just tell him, you know, it and do it. I know that's kind of his thing. He's got the blue shoe commercial. I'll leave you to know a blue shoe is it's basically, it's basically like it's like a it's like a biogra- kind of thing. Oh, hello. Yeah. So he does Chris are emerging director does the commercials for it. So I just kind of I always liked to have some fun with him about. That's the line. That's the tagline chew in Newark. Do you have to say that no Christian Chris on his commercial? Do you have a cut from that fund? Can you find the commercial? And then we could just play the just the chew it and do it. And like he'll say like have you been stuck in traffic before? And then you just thinking I used to be created this or whatever the hell is that he says something like that? It's it's along those lines. And then and then the tagline is just you wouldn't do it. So we we we have some there's some funny usually when you hear the commercials about, you know, enhancements things to help you in the bedroom. You think I don't have a problem? You're right. You don't have a problem. Neither do I. So it just you know, that's the it starts. We have LC Granderson in the morning here. Who's got a commercial about manscaping? Have you ever had manscaping accident? Yeah. You know? I mean, so we've got we've got a lot of stuff going on here. And look I think those guys pull it off. And there were clearly we're doing a good job. So. Nice big pay for it. I'm not mad at exactly man backward. You know, what I'm saying precision engineer tools optimize waste groupie an hygiene. There you go. Nick, myself a few times. Sensitive skin down here, Nick free, manscaping. Experience every time. So yeah, it's called what is called. It's called is it called manscaping believes this man's going. We try some out. You try it out. So they have it you want some blue or no, you're good. I don't have a problem. But neither does he. My ignorance to not knowing this not you're well informed that Matt Barnes next folks men. All right. So what should the Lakers priorities be this off season? Now, they have a coaching staff in place. Matt barnes. What's priority? Number one smoothing things over with your young stars. You know, getting them together talking to them involving LeBron in that process and just letting them know. You know, be transparent about what went down last year, obviously. Because like I said the future's in these young guys. Whether they're going to trade him or groom them, they need these young guys to be by back in believe in trust the system, and I guarantee none of them have trust in the system right now. So to me that's first and foremost, whether you're going to trade or keep them wrangle these guys back in alley. I think that's a great first step. And I think the next step would then to figure out what the roster is gonna look like and get to work. Yeah agency. And I think that's very important because as we know, you know, about you just talked about it earlier in the show how it's going to take time, but time is running out because you're already in your two of LeBron James if you're looking to maximize that. Yeah. And I think there's some challenges for the Lakers this off season because LeBron's going to have to do stuff that he hasn't necessarily done in the past. I know Stephen as reported that he flew to Philly to go talk to co and chat him up allegedly. Lebron has been a good has been a recruiter. But I don't think he's ever gone on a plane, you know, during the playoffs to go. Visit while he's always been in the playoffs. But you know, he's made two phone calls. He's done stuff like that in the past. But he may need to kind of go above and beyond if they're going to land eight one of the bigger fish. So I think that from a free agent perspective because he understands the franchise understands that they're on the clock with the brunt. And there's other teams in big markets with a lot of money, including one right down the street from them, and I wouldn't say that it's just about LeBron. I don't I don't wanna put that picture out there. Because. To your point. And I fully agree with this. I think the young guys are ready. Sure, I think they want these experiences. You know, I think they want to be put in positions to alternately show what they're made of. And what there were they have talent their talented player in the key to that is confidence. And I think, you know, everyone from magic to LeBron at point in the organization stripped him of that confidence because they were pretty much where we're trading everyone. But LeBron for Anthony Davis. You know what I mean? So every the to young player success in any sport. It is is confidence believing them in self in knowing that the coaching staff in the in the organization believes in you Kirk. What's priority number one? Well, golly. I I think part of what met said, obviously is, you know, getting the young guys back on board. That's number one. Number two. I was kinda thinking about this the other day Gunnar Peterson's still their starting addition and coach I believe so I would think anything to the opposite of that. Maybe tried to go get another strength conditioning coach well there there's a lot of injuries. They just brought someone back. I have to look at this. Yes. Judy as a yeah. Judas? She was Kobe's personal guys. She took care of me. When I tore my knee, I told Kevin Durant. And that's who he should talk to for his calf. She's amazing. So it's interesting because you don't know how much of that is strength and conditioning or that that they're pissed that they have correct. You know, doing, you know, your your pre injury workouts? I'm just always. Yes, I hear you. I'm just I know that throughout my career. It was the strength and conditioning that helped me prolong my career it was making sure that everybody was ready for the long haul. We because now I think these crazy to say, but these young guys are finally get into their grow man bodies. Like, they weren't emigrant bodies yet. They were still trying to like think Lonzo was still getting his grown man body to like, Kevin Durant. It took, you know, Steph curry watching those guys like now therefore it at four to five. Yes. So to me it's still being able to not only put on weight, you know, lift weights, but do things to where they're not as fragile pasta. Ably or susceptible to the injuries that happen throughout an eighty two game season. So that to me is just a small thing of really just it. It's really about the young guys and a team stand healthy. That's number one. Because we saw what they were when they were healthy. And I think that now with a coach in place, they'll be more defensive minded, obviously. But the health of this team really gonna come down to them doing the extra work and having someone around them that they trust too. Because that's another thing. Lebron Doan his own thing. Everyone had their own strength in there. That's unified on one level of of of starting. I think that's where it starts it. Because that's where you spend the most time at trainer can. I ask you questions. How much of that is much ration- of ho go finish the question that will tease it on the other side from the standpoint of these young guys coming into their bodies. But also understanding that they have to choose to that. Yes. So so let's let's get into more that on the other side. Plus katie's injury. Does it mean anything for this upcoming series? The way Portland is playing at cetera. We'll touch on the Western Conference finals in a second. So show here on ESPN LA, Matt Barnes. Allie Clifton Kirk Morrison hanging out with us today fun group having a blast here. We have learned, of course, the new fun game here in southern California's alley doesn't know anything about pop culture. So feel free to send your suggestions at Sodano ESPN. So we will I'm trying to see we've got oh, here's one. This is. So there's. This one. So I don't want. I'm not gonna put you on the spot. If I don't know the answer, this one this the guys is movie trivia, one this one ghost all I know this one this one goes to eleven this is a white person movie. So so it's not a cultural thing it's on goes to eleven. Yeah. Rock band. It's not a real say it sounded like something from varsity blues. No, have you seen the movie spinal tap? Yeah. So the guy what? Okay. There you go. It's basically in the movie that meal, and they're like this made up band, and they're like a rock band. And it's the movie is based on this mythical rock band and the guy's telling them man, forget about just turn it to eleven. There's no eleven this. This is a data reference because when we were kids we used to be have to turn the volume up, and it was a ten, and he would say turn it to eleven and that's that's the reference like you go like over the top on how loud, you should be as a band. So anyway, I had to explain way too much. They got all of us. He got Tanya. Let's let's spinal tap. It's not my Cup of tea. I have happened to have seen it once. And that was that was just, but anyway, the class feel free to send more suggestions at Sadan ESPN. I show we asked the question about kind of the young guys. Right. And we were talking about kind of their progression. We're talking about the priorities and their match ration- process. Right allie. That's what you brought up. So the question was how much of that is on them. How much of that is on the organization, but learn I think obviously, the organization can preach and tell you what you have to do. But until you do it. You know, you have it set in your mind that it's something you have to do. But that isn't a is a job in itself is eating right working out. Right. Preparing your body for as Kurt test on a marathon. You know, eighty two games is a lot of games plan. If you're fortunate enough to make the playoffs. So that I think that comes with the learning be NBA. You know, you're drafting you play your first three or four years. You don't know how to play basketball. You don't you know, what I mean, you learn how to play that. NBA game. So I think along with that comes coming the understanding on the importance of of treating your body as it needs to be treated to be able to withstand rigorous schedule. How was it in the NFL the learning curve, you gotta remember to the NFL? We have a rule obviously that you have to be three years removed from high school. There's a difference ration- level is different already from the beginning you grow into your body to let you know memory, my freshman year, I came to send ego state to well five soaking wet after one season you play linebacker. High school high school to five red-shirted. So I'd Richard my first year came back to twenty seven go boom art to gain twenty two pounds in one season, right just lifting weights and grow into your body by the time, I got out of college. I was ready for the NFL game. Just watching Janas the other day. Just I remember when he came into the condition Gaelic. Look at them. And I was like that is a weight program that is eating right now because you know, think about the AAU circuit that a lot of these kids were all throughout high school exiling, totally different. He's got a freaking nature. But you look at some of the other players, they they're not physically ready yet. It takes you to three years and just looking at Yana says as an example, he's grown into his NBA body. Right. Like, that's who he's going to be. And we still been kind of a waiting on that. We're Brandon Ingram. Yeah. Obviously coups MS are his name caught up his Brandon Ingram. But I think overall you wanna be able to hold that that that that that body throughout the process of it. So that's where I I think that you know, growing into the NBA body for guys a season. That's that should be their priority. And look we speaking of growing in your body. Kevin Durant kind of had some of that. When you mentioned Brandon Ingram there. There was some of that like he's never he he was even skinnier when he first came into the league. And he also didn't I feel like how full control? Of what his body could do at that Yemen. As when he came into the league, the first, you know, Seattle, and then obviously early on in Oklahoma City. He's out for these first couple of games alley Ramona has reported that he's definitely out for game one and likely out for game two, do you think any of that even matters in this series? I think at us. Yeah. Yeah. I do. I think. I think it's from the standpoint that Portland is not in the Western Conference finals by mistake. You know, they have been through talk about tested, I understand winning championship as a whole nother ball game. But there are levels to which the blazers have been tested a lot of a lot of it has come in defeat. A lot of it has come in doubt. They're led by two mid major guys who have this edge in this chip on their shoulder. And I think I a little bit off topic. But the way those two guys are so unfazed by any moment is impressive to me. And I think there's potential there that if you're not a full healthy squad as Golden State, currently is not I I think there's there's something to be said about that. They remind me Matt of your we believe warriors team a little bit like in the sense of, you know, look, Barron was a high pick a lottery but pick but the rest of that group for the most part was not that exactly not that. And I think you know to answer your question is. Depth is always concerning. Yeah. You know? What? I mean, the the further advance the more minutes, you know, your your top four guys are playing and Steph clay, Draymond and Andre. So so def is always something your concern with, you know, losing Katie and boogie is a huge hit two to anybody. Right. We don't even factor in DeMarcus cousins. Yeah. So I know one thing that Portland, you know, is a team. You know, what I mean, and they can throw several bodies, you know, at these guys that are going to have to do a lot of work for the warriors. So, you know, obviously, you want Katie to take his time and get healthy. But obviously, you do need him and want him back for the fact that you know, these other guys are going to be logging a lot of miles if they're enough to get past this round right and going into the finals coming up next Vogel is spoken. We emerge from although we have breaking news on Vogel. We're back in three minutes Saddam show here on ESPN LA Matt Barnes Allie Clifton and Kirk Morrison hanging out with me on a Monday. Thank you guys for tuning. Thank you guys are coming in. So here's what we got from Frank Vogel. The Lakers officially announced the hiring of Frank Vogel as the head coach again, I like Frank I hope Frank CC's, and we'll hear from Stephen a Smith and Brian Windhorst in a second about this higher. But Vogel has spoken. Here's the quote. I look forward to coaching such phenomenal talent and bring my strategic vision to the team. So Vogel is spoken the paper where there's pen to paper. Absolutely there. The smoke is come out of the chimney like they when they announce a pope, I feel like finally we've got something to discuss here. So Stephen a Smith was on sports center earlier today and said this about the Frank Vogel. Hiring fry Vogel is respected. Make no mistake about coach taint years in Indiana. The five of the last six years he made the postseason include a four straight years and two consecutive trips to the Eastern Conference finals the man can't coach, but it's not about that. He's not a name with sizzle, and we all get that. But here's the biggest piece she's not going to be able to sell. Him because he's not expected to be the coach long-term for the loss Angeles Lakers. There's a reason why whether it was Monty Williams, whether it was tied Lou or anybody else the caveat was that you had to accept Jason Kidd on your squad as a developmental coach. It was incredibly imperative to the Los Angeles Lakers that this took place. So one with ask the question why not just hire Jason Kidd as you head coach? Well, it's very very simple. He has are relatively uncomfortable. Pass one involved domestic violence, obviously it landed up in the divorce or there was a entire driving while intoxicated charge that he had to deal with as well, not to mention the fact that whether it was in Brooklyn, Milwaukee he gave the impression that he wanted more than just head coaching responsibilities. He wanted to run the show. And so as a result of that it was a struggle for him to get back into the league in a head coaching spot. But for right now Frank Vogel is the Saint pick with Jason Kidd on his bench, and you can expect Jason Kidd to be the next head coach. For the Los Angeles Lakers within to you. I mean, that's direct. I mean that takes us. Hi fortune hot. They needs an extinguisher. There's the fire extinguishers, the take was hot Matt you by two years the pressure cooker. It's unfortunate. I think being in LA, you know, you're coming on into an extremely hot seat. Yeah. You know? So he could be righty might not be right? But I think that we just have to wait and see. And and I think that's one of the biggest things we have a problem with as a culture as a whole as we, you know, we have to wait and see we everyone wants to predict and and guesstimate in in put out a, you know, a foregone conclusion about what's going to happen. But we don't know until you know, this team gets together and see what they do this summer and see how he does alley. I hope that Frank gets a fair shake because again, I do think Franks good coach. He look his pacer teams were excellent on defense. He said specifically after his time away from Orlando or his second job where he got like go talked about how if you had to do it over again, he would kind of revisit some of the things he did offensively because the game has kind of changed really over the last several years. So I'd like the. Fact that he again is I guess self reflective enough to kind of look inward and say, yeah, look, I'm good at this. I know I'm good at this part of it. I can be a good coach I can be a better coach, though, still I liked that part of him. No one thing that I've always thought about when it comes to leaders is. It's one thing to be able to be led excuse me. It's one thing to lead. It's another to be willing to be led. And if Frank allows that reflection to kind of factor into this process now in this next phase of his journey with Los Angeles Lakers, and he allows someone on his staff as well to kind of added in some input on the offensive end of the floor. If that's where he's looking for some a little bit of direction or just kind of some some involvement with that part of his playbook in you allow a guy like LeBron James now hear me when I say this, okay? Because the other day CJ McCollum says after they win game seven I told coach fly out and let me win the game. Had LeBron James said that we wouldn't be talking about the. Inference finals, right, right. We would be talking about the fact that LeBron told a coach how to coach LeBron has earned a right because of his his Xs and os knowledge, his I q is Rosenberger staining of the game. And I will tell you. I sat in practice every single day in Cleveland, he had this relationship with Lou this is where the connection the trust in the security with that relationship stemmed in grew. If Frank allows that from staff his self reflection his history as well as taking in your superstars kind of knowledge here and there when he sees fit. This is going to be a great team effort. Teamwork. This is going to be a great process for them. I agree. I do think LeBron deserve, sir latitudes right because of his resume and what he's been able to accomplish in this league. Kirk before we swing back around like I do feel like if you're Vogel, you take the chance of this. Because there weren't a lot of people clamoring for you, even though he had a nice run in Indiana. And look man, you take your chances coaching. Lebron James like there's very few talents nature the sport that you can even compare to him. It's true. And I just don't like the job security on this one. I think this is an easy contra they're like they're up. Right. An easy contract that if it's not working out in a year year and a half, you know, what may happen? I just I've seen this story before we saw it this year with Luke Walton. I don't know if he's going to have Frank Vogel is going to have a meeting with Magic Johnson ten games into the season that saying this is how we needed this thing. I think is rob now. So yeah. Those are the things that I just wanna see because look Vogel has the experience, but we just know that every NBA team goes through some point of adversity throughout the season. And how does he handle it and delay still buy into what he's preaching what he's doing? Because it's one thing to have the pelts on the wall. If you wanna championship already can he make me a better player? That's my whole thing. That's what that's what any player wants. When I come to the Lakers or when he sits down with somebody's free agents. I'm gonna look him right in the eye and say poach could you make me a better player like Kate? What what will you do to help me? Make me a better plan because I'm coming here. If all these free agents, right like everybody's coming here who coming. Everybody's already established star. Right. But tell me how me playing for you is gonna make me by the way, if they were going to do this Frank Vogel thing. And again, Matt you were in here last week. We talked about this like you bring in your own guy like too, and I liked Luke. So defended Luca ton. But if you're going to clean the slate like they did they should have allowed magic, and rob or whoever was in charge to put their own guy there if you wanna put Vogel in here last year, what was his relationship relationship like with Paul George would Paul George have considered the Lakers more. If a guy he had success with was here with the Lakers. Like, you just kind of look back at some of that stuff. And again, maybe again, we all remember magic. And rob were not allowed to let go of Luke. There was a power structure battle there too. So which kind of is a thing with this franchise. I think we have to understand that the end of the day. This is the players league you let anyone always, thanks. Yeah. So some of the best coaches in and playing for Steve curr. What you wanna do you want to establish respect? You wanna make sure your luck respects, you lay down your game plan and then somewhat get out of the way. Right. You know what? I mean, if you have a team that you can do that with there's younger teams, obviously, you need a little bit more hands on. But all the best coach that have won championships. I'm done. Well, have done that. Yeah. I know what I mean, you don't wanna overcoat. This is the time where you know basket by Q is is is continuing. To grow of those some of these younger players have to learn it, but this is a players league. So, you know, with CJ saying that that happens all the time that happens all that man. Self in the game. You know what? I mean. So players it's a players league. In like, I said, the coach the first and foremost thing, you have to do to make sure you have the respect to the locker room lay down when she wanna get done and show them how to do it. And then slowly get out of the way because you wanna have you don't want to have to call every play defensively offensive. You wanna have your players understand the system? So whether they can go out there and run it like a well machines this team that is this team enough. Like, do they have enough veterans are the young guys grown up enough or you can let them do their thing? Like, you were saying, I think so I think that this. These young guys are waiting for their chance to kind of get out here and show the world what they're capable of. Because as we alley and our speaking off air, they never had time to get the chemistry because throughout the season. Too many pieces integral pieces were right or suspend in early on things, but you need to develop that chemistry on and off the court, and they didn't have time to definitely get it on the court because too many were hurt. I still believe if they get the right roster. I still think they can be a conference finals nineteen. No question. Yeah. I coming up. Next. We will have an NBA playoff preview of kind of what happened recap kind of preview of what's what's coming up here in the next couple of days, plus Brian Windhorst weighs in on the Frank Vogel. Jason Kidd dynamic how lebrons kind of mixes in with all that as well. So stick around for that. We're back and four minutes. Donna show ESPN LA.

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How the Warriors Rediscovered Their Hustle

Warriors Off-Court

24:48 min | 1 year ago

How the Warriors Rediscovered Their Hustle

"Welcome to the sixtieth episode of warriors afterward, the San Francisco Chronicle's in V8. podcast. I'm your host, whereas beat Radyr Connor Laterna damn joined by sports columnists and Kelly and has been providing Bassem warriors content all year, and she'll be in Houston with me for games three and four of the Western Conference semi-finals before practice Thursday. We caught up at the warriors practice facility about whether Golden State has flipped the proverbial. Switch locker room dynamics and much much more. We'll have our conversation right after the break. Hi, it's header night columnist for the San Francisco Chronicle and host of the podcast, San Francisco city insider, I convinced the city's movers and shakers to tell me what's going right with San Francisco, and what's going very wrong. People like mayor London breed, and billionaire Mark benef- have talked about homelessness filthy streets, car break ins, and some real tricky subjects like where they go for the city's best burrito. Get the inside scoop and sim laughs on San Francisco city insider. About an hour before worries media bells only, Thursday morning and killing chatted empty hallway. Couple of floors blow. The warriors practice facility. And we're here at Oakland convention center. Just a couple of floors blow where the warriors practice were. We're about an hour before practice. The warriors are heading to Houston today. We are also heading to I'm heading tonight. I think you're heading tomorrow morning. So we'll be there for all of your coverage needs from games three and four RBIs. The wars are up to but it's been a pretty interesting. I two games. There's there's been some major storylines. There's been some drama. What are your big takeaways so far in the series? Well, my biggest takeaways that Houston on his the warriors. And that you know, I mean, they they spent forty eight hours making officiating be the narrative after game one and this absurd. Eighty one point bulletin that they notified the league about re-litigating game seven, and they you know, q. Using the league and the officials of of changing who was the NBA champion, and then they come out and game to and they're just not good enough. They're just not good enough. And I don't know I fully expect them to get a game in the series. I'm not thinking there's going to be a sweep. But but, but I, and I know that you know, the Toyota center can be pretty loud place, the dynamic will change once we get to Houston. But they just thought with all that build up and all that wining. And all that knows around them that they would have come out and played a little better and game too. Because they are a good team. And I just think that one I think they got in their own heads about all of that. And to I think, you know, by the end of the game. It just was kind cleared them on they seemed a little discouraged. And so it'll be interesting now to see how things rebound I know that the warriors will want to put the hammer. Down and just, you know, make them give them. No hope at all. Because you know, this is been a pretty considering how they played it or coal during the clipper series. This has been a pretty big week for them to come back on short rest injured, you know, not one hundred percent. And do what they just didn't. These two games was was pretty much of a statement. So yeah, I think it's been it's not been what I expected. I think I think a lot of people thought it'd be at least one one at this point. I actually was kind of in the minority I feel like entering the series. I I said I had zero doubt in my mind. At the words, we're gonna win the series. I even went as far tell people that. I thought it could be done in five six games and everyone's like into lease go and seven I mean, he didn't warriors loser going seven, but like to build off your point. I think what we're seeing is the warriors are the better team. When they're engaged when they're locked in. I thought my biggest surprise from that whole officiating narrative was the rockets. No, the warriors the rockets know how the warriors operate. They know that all the warriors need to dominate and be at their best is notification is incentive, and obviously they had a lot of motivation entering the series. But to provide the more fuel by basically saying that hey, you guys didn't deserve not only to win game one. But the win the two thousand seventeen Western Conference finals, and obviously the way they open game to the way the warriors open game to that fire then Tanzi inspiration. If felt like they were trying, and I think he wrote this in your calm. They were trying to show the rockets. Hey, we're not going to give you any excuses. This time we're just going to beat you that being said, though, we're talking the words dominant. These first two games, they only won by a total of ten or so points in these two games for for. Whatever reason the rockets are able to keep it close. Even when they're not playing that. Well, yeah. And I think the reason is three point shots. You know, when they're down eight it kind of feels like the warriors are dominating. But then they hit a couple of threes. And and you know, there we go all of a sudden it's close game. I never felt the way in game two that I did about game one. I never really felt that you know, the warriors lead wire-to-wire. I kinda thought I just it just didn't seem like Houston was going to get over the top. I mean, it got really close at the end, and it would have been really strange if Houston comeback and one that considering you know, that they hadn't looked great. But yeah, I think I think you're completely right about, you know, the warriors motivation, and I think I just sensed after game to kind of looked like the championship warriors, which has I kind of haven't seen much this season. And Kevin Durant. Seems way more relaxed and just not as defensive he's playing the best player in the universe. He is the best player in the universe right now. You know, I think that's bringing him this kind of inner confidence where we don't have to talk about what's going to happen in July. We have to talk. We're talking about what he's doing on the court and he likes that. I just I feel like. It's just kind of clicking back in place in these first two games. And that's gotta worry the rockets to now who knows this is such a weird NBA long break. I mean to have three off days between games is bananas. And I know both teams are probably happy because of bumps and bruises. But as we saw game one, you don't know who's going to come out play. Well after such a long break. I mean, I would have thought you know, Houston would have been the better team in game one and with the wars with a quick turnaround. But I think the warriors kind took the momentum from the clipper series, and and and and use that so it it'll be interesting, you know, going to Huston this lack of momentum this change in in the schedule. It's going to be interesting to see what happens in the thing is even though we we've talked a lot in the past about how the words of look like they've turned that proverbial. Switch the reality is there's still a lot of room for improvement because Steph hasn't played that gray been in foul. Trouble going back to the first round clay's been okay, especially he's been great defensively. Authenticity is yet to have one of those signature breakout scoring binges that he's known for. And I know Durant. We talked a lot about how amazing Durant's been, but he's actually not shooting that gray by his standard in this series. Believe shooting forty three percent from the field, which is well below his career average. So he can even be better. And then you know, the really getting much of any production from the bench now that Andres in the starting lineup. So they can be better. And I think that that's a scary thought for for these rockets. Yeah, they can't be better, especially Steph. I mean, we're still kind of waiting. I mean, I think the ankle has affected him a little bit. I think we saw the finger affecting his shot, you know, later in the game. And who? Knows what that's gonna look like I mean step the long delay between games is really good for stuff because if he had to play like tomorrow night that Steph finger would be sore and that so important him. But yeah, I I mean, I think you're right. They they haven't really not not yet in the playoffs. They haven't really put together a complete game. Where you've they look like the championship team. I feel like they're getting closer. But yeah, I mean, they're really not getting anything from their bench. I mean, and that with all the minutes being played that one will be more motivation for them to get this done quickly because they know that they could use the rest, but to you know, that that's a concern Andres plank unbelievably, but he, you know, even though he doesn't look like it on the floor. He's thirty five years old. And and we've seen we saw last year in the playoffs. You know, when he when he got hurt and it takes one little thing. One. Little injury in this all this magical Hamptons five lineup, and and everything goes away. So yeah, there's still plenty plenty to worry about you can lose sleep over this team if you want, but what we're seeing is that old sports cliche defense wins championships. And the warriors are playing the level of defense that you've wanted to see from them all season. They finished the regular season. I think sixteenth in the league in defensive rating, and they have all the potential in the world to be elite defensively they have length. They have great one on one defenders shop lockers, they have it all they just don't. This didn't have that buying for a lot of the season. And I think their effort level has gone up so much in especially in this series specifically, and I actually think. You know, having that disappointment in the first round against the clippers going six games against the team that you know, is far inferior to you was a little bit of a wakeup call for them. And then obviously hearing all the talk out of the rockets camp about how much they wanted to face the warriors, and that sort of thing only got them go and even more. But the interesting thing about effort is it can actually be measured. Now. That's the great thing about the Olympics age is the NBA dot com. I've gotten kind of into looking at NBA dot com hustle, sats, and the hustle stats like deflections, those those screen assists screens that that free up open shooters for open shots. Those types of stats have gone through the roof in the past two games. And the two guys that have been integral to that are Andre who you just talked about and then drain on who's been absolutely in since asional playoff playoff, grandma. Do you think we've talked in the past about how big of a playoffs this is for him? And how he's going to inter inter contract negotiations the summer, and he wants to show the warriors. He's a max level guy. Do you think that this could help his case to to get a max contract this summer, or do you think the is kind of in the bar, and when it comes to that? Well, I think Julie took the hay out of the barn a little bit by saying the other night that he would like dream onto the a warrior for life. I mean, that's you know, now, I think he was. No, probably not. It means a lot of people are talking about that quote. It's very you. Can you know Blake is so involved in excited that I can just imagine him saying something like that after a game? Like that way. All of a sudden went up two nothing, and it felt like good times rolling and felt like, you know, twenty fifteen all over again. But yeah, I think Draymond is is helping his case, I think, you know, the the Durant decision in the dream on decision. Kind of go hand in hand if Durant decides to come back, then that changes if we're to believe that he and dream on have a problem weed, you know, there's no evidence of it lately. But that that I think impacts the dream on decision if if Durant leaves that impacts dream on decision because all of a sudden, he's even more critical to kind of keep this this core together in this momentum going. And I just think he's such a he's just when he plays like this. It's it's unfathomable to think that somehow they would let him get away. Now, I hate to get into max contract and all that stuff because that's not my thing. And I don't really the salary cap and all that. But I fully believe what Doc Rivers said is they don't win these rings without Draymond. And if they win another ring this June there, it will be because in large part because of Draymond because he's playoff Draymond. Because he's playing his hair's on fire because he's doing everything I heard someone the other day call him, you know, he's not a five is not a four nine to three. He's a fifteen because he's all those positions added up together, and he can defend all those positions. He's I mean, he's just so good. And the other thing that I think is kind of key. If you're going to look forward to with this team is. You know, when we see this and other sports like we talk about the giants having this very mellow. Clubhouse would there is no fire. And there's no, you know, kind of creative tension in the room at all because of the kind of leadership they have, and there's you know, there's a little tendency like that towards towards the warriors. I mean, you know, Steph and clay are fantastic. They're going to be here, but they're pretty mellow guys. And having that creative tension that gets everyone riled up and gets you know, people's blood boiling both on and off the court. You know, there's no one better than dream on at do. You wanna pay a thirty five year old dream on forty three million dollars a year. That's that's that's the question right way. That's the question. And that's the kind of question that, you know, I think the fan base doesn't want to address. And that's the kind of question that, you know, I 'cause it's hard for me to look ahead. When you know, you see what's happening in the present moment, that's kind of thing. I hate about contract talks like, you know, it just it. It makes you appreciate what's happening now because you're you're peeling back. You know, you're leapfrogging ahead. And you're in you're projecting. I just heard Tom Izzo on the radio, and he was saying drain doubted his whole life. So, you know, who knows what he's going to be like at thirty five, and he certainly has a pretty good thirty five year old role model right now though, obviously, they're very physical physically different body types and Andre. But, but yeah, I don't know. But I just I I it would be hard for me to see how this team would be without either Durant or Draymond. And to kind of build off that one thing I've told listeners in the past and one thing I I want to harp on for anywheres fan that was this podcast the pre she ate these playoffs. Really try to stay in the moment. I know that I may not make that easy time. Talking about summer a lot. But I talk about that. Because this is going to be the most important summer in franchise history. And it's kind of the cloud or the question hanging over this entire playoff run. But that being said have an awareness in the back of your mind that this rosters probably gonna look very different next season. And the reality is probably not going to be as good next season. And there's a very good chance. This is the last year the warriors are not contenders. But favorites to win the title. And so this might be the last if they win the title of this might be the last title they went for a while. So enjoy it. Appreciate it. Every time Klay goes off for every time to rant goes off for fifty and a playoff game. Instead of thinking about is this last. The last time he'll do this in a warriors. Uniform think about men we're lucky to have this guy. Because what they what this roster is right now, very special. It is. I mean, I mean, I think I and I've been you know, I'm a native of the bay area. I have covered this team for years and years and years, and I I still I don't take any of this for granted because they were so terrible for so long. And I I hear fans taking it for granted. And getting mad about things, and blah, blah, blah. And it's like really, you know, like, this is been the most fun amazing. You know, still to me and to longtime warriors observers to prising run in sports that I've covered. And so, yeah, I fully fully concur. Appreciate it because. Yeah. All good things must come to an end and the window, and this is probably closing. And you know, maybe. He if Durant leaves they reconfigure in some way, and they they're really good again. And you know, I wouldn't I wouldn't doubt what you know. These guys can do together or what this franchise and their motivation to continue to stay on top is. But this little bit of it is this this glory time. It's gonna end. There's that old saying winning cures. All ills, do you think that you have the worst can keep this up and and go on and win a title that all the drama? The warriors went through this season, maybe the locker room turmoil. Do you think that kind of just gets brushed aside and doesn't exist anymore, or do you think it's still going to be festering under the surface, and the winning just kind of camouflages it for a little while? But it's still there. Well, I think I think winning Ken cure it. I really do. I think that I think one of the things I kind of feel like might be happening right now is just watching the dynamic on the court watching the the body language off the court. I feel like it's clicked back in like we said at the beginning of this. I feel like they kind of are like, oh, yeah. This is who we are. This is fun. This is what we do. And the issue is can you sustain that for eighty two games? No. You can't. And are these guys have these guys been together for a longtime ES they have and are some of them sick of each other. Absolutely. And do some of them rub. Each other the wrong way. Sure at times, and you know, even I mean, it's just it's normal. You know, I mean, we have families siblings. You know? It's just you get sick of people. And you're like, why are you doing that? Again. You know, what hate it when you do that? But I think that because they've had kind of a ROY. Rocky year. And now they're back to doing what they do best. I think that that the memory of that that this is got it's really fun. It's really fun when we're rolling like this. I think it can cure some of it. They just have to be able to remember it. And you know, if they if they all stay together another year, there's sure to be more drama. But I also think you know, they probably all learned a lot because it's been a tough year. You know, most of these guys have had golden careers that have never really faced adversity this year was adversity. That's pretty funny right because they clinched the number one seed and everything else, but for some of for the core of this team. I wouldn't say Steph because he had a lot of adversity early in his career. But I would say for you know, the clay Draymond m may be Durant. I mean, he had off the court adversity when he made his decision to come here. But I mean, I think I think some of the the bumpier parts of their career. And so maybe they're all going to have grown up from it. So I don't know. I think it's I think the chemistry issues is really interesting. I think as a anyone who falls the NBA the casual NBA fan. It's easy to forget that this is a workplace people. Look all your you played basketball for a living. That's nothing. Like what I do. I go into an office, and I do nine to five and I have a work an office dynamic. They don't have that the reality is the actually do it. Just looks a little bit different than than the average office dynamic and the way I kind of look at it right now is it's like when you and I have a big enterprise piece that we're putting all this energy into maybe been planning it out for months and we've been looking forward to to getting it done. But it's to get it done. You have to do a tunnel work. You have to really focus, and when you're locked in like that on on a big piece or in any workplace has projects like that that that require all of your focus and energy, all the other stuff, all the. All the drama at work, the the friction with your bosses co-workers kind of goes off to the side at least wall, you're in the heat of it because you don't have the mental energy to focus on that other stuff. And I think that's where this team is right now, I think they're locked in on a goal. And all that other stuff is just doesn't matter right now. But it doesn't mean it's gone. You know, it doesn't mean all this stuff. Didn't happen. It doesn't mean that they're going to if they win the title. They're going to all hang out all summer celebrating. Yeah. No. And I mean, these are all we've watched these guys grow up and grow up together. And so, you know, they're all at different stages of their life than they were in the first championship run. And I mean things change, you know, but relationships change, you kind of learn to manipulate them in maneuver them the best way, and maybe they're learning like. You know? I mean at some points, you might think oh my gosh. I can't coexist with Draymond anymore in another time. You think how could I exist without him? I mean, it's it's kind of, you know, be careful what you wish for. And I think we all have that in our relationships with people and co workers, so yeah, I mean, I think this is going to be this this this playoff journey to me is way more interesting than maybe any sense, the first one and the first one was pretty interesting because it was so what expected, but this this one is is just it's different. If it's it's different. The last two felt the same. The the first Durant washer. Well, the the first one would they swept everybody. But yeah, I just think there's there's a lot in play here. And it is really interesting, and I would echo, you're sediment. Enjoy it. Will. And I think that's a half. I really appreciate you. Joining me on the pod, we're gonna we're gonna be getting tons of coverage out there and Houston so listeners if you have any restaurant recommendations in Houston, and I love to have a good time bar recommendations as well. We'll be we'll be exploring so shoot us an Email or or tweet at us. Yes. Please do bars and restaurants and places to watch game of thrones. I want to thank in Killian for joining me on the podcast. It's always fun picking her brain about the warriors. Where's court is part of the San Francisco Chronicle podcast network. Odder Cooper's editor in chief be like this show. We'd love it. If you'd subscribed to it wherever you get your podcasts. And if you've got a minute to give us quick review to help us build our audience. So we can keep growing. Follow me on Twitter at Khan, underscore Krahn and Email me at Seila turno SF chronicle dot com. Support warriors off court and a lot of great journalism with a subscription to the San Francisco Chronicle their print in digital dishes. Find out more at SF, chronicle dot com slash subscribe.

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Hour 1

Izzy and Spain

00:00 sec | 1 year ago

Hour 1

"Welcome to Spain. And fits the podcast. That's enough early. Got one mistake out of the way. I was. Trump in there is that what it is. All right. I'm sorry. I jumped out there too quickly, Mike wells. He's using seeing people fall start. He covers the NFL. The Indianapolis Colts for ESPN. My name is Jason golf. And there's this Spain and fit show on ESPN radio the ESPN app and siriusxm channel eighty brought to you by progressive insurance. And of course, if you want to holler at us on Twitter, it's one hundred flowers dot com Twitter feed. Make sure you jump on there at Mike wells is it NFL or is it at my world ESPN because your Instagram and your Twitter feed two different things different things. Like, you're running from somebody. John China to stay incognito man in Mike wells NFL on Twitter. Mike wells ESPN on Instagram there. It is. I am at Jason one golf. If you want to follow me on anything just be prepared for late night drunken argument at any point in time. If you do want to follow me, so we gotta jump right into it might because last night we watched two different series, take two different turns. And I want to start with you with the Houston Rockets and the Golden State Warriors. We saw GS w take a two old lead last night at oracle now, the scene shifts to Houston, and we're talking about the eyes of one Dame's heart, and we're talking about the the strategy of my dad, Tony and the Houston Rockets because anytime they lose people talk about the three pointers that they shoot, and how many they take I want to start with the who do you believe in theory because I'm sorry every single year. It seems like we get to this point where the hot take artists and everybody and not only this. Company, but other companies are forced to say who's taking control of a series. When in the end, no one game is a referendum on that series one game stacks up on other game. It's about another game. Of course, there's trend that happened inside the games where whether it'd be coverages or guys hitting shots or guys doing something a little bit different than like, we saw honest you against the Celtics last night. But in the end we've all seen series before we've all seen ebbs and flows in games shift and switch Ed also, my who do you believe in theory? I think it comes back to that at the end of the season when you know, how a team is playing, and you know, what their matchup will be you kind of figure out who you believe in and certain times in certain instances that changes players raise their levels, or whatever the case may be. But to me, they get more minutes. So they're gonna add more stats onto their point told us and rebound totals. But Mike, I still think that this rockets. Go State Warriors series is gonna go six games maybe outside shot at seven. But it's looking more like six games the way that they've played. But it's about the who do you believe in theory to me, and there's a certain amount of belief that I'm willing to have in the rockets, but I cut it short right where I'm supposed to what a thing is first of all for for the rockets. I have a chance James harden and his three point Jackie ability skills has to have some vision. My man he he looked kind of scary up on a podium last night talk and post game. So in order for the rockets to be able to get back into the series, hard and hasa see because let's be real James harden is gonna shoot whether he can see or not and the odds of the ball going in or higher. When James harden concede a basket, but you're right. This Golden State is the top seed in the Western Conference there. They have home court the Houston Rockets lost by six points and four point a total of ten points in the first two games that series for people to go in. And you say, okay, Houston has doesn't have a chance is speaking too soon. Now on the flip side of that, Hugh. Houston needs to win game three because they don't win game three. I'm going to have to kill your notion it as being a six possibly seven game series. If they don't win game three I can see the series ending in five games maximum and possibly four if they can't win game three. Yeah. I can dig that. The the reason why I feel the way I feel by the why ESPN's Tim McMahon reports that James harden went straight to an eye doctor after rockets plane landed in Houston this afternoon team is optimistic. You won't have any issues with his vision and game three and beyond his left eye where he has a contusion and cut inside the eyelid especially bothered him in game two, obviously the fact that he came back into that game means that they were able to control the swelling control, the inflammation. If you didn't see James harden come back into that game. He's kind of like how football coaches, you know, refer to injuries. If you don't see a guy come back into a game. You know, a serious. It wasn't serious enough. And James actually started to take the ball to the basket a little bit more us, getting fouled. You know? He's at the free throw line wincing, and this and this may not be. James? But is nothing. I hate more than sports, and especially in NBA basketball when a guy showing you that he's hurt. And how hurt he is. I don't think James did that last night they got closed, but I'll think so you don't like that. You don't like that Willis re-treatment out there. Well, you know, I still refer to that as the wall. Clyde Frazier game. You can call that the rulers regain a lot of yourself. All you want New York. Knicks fans wall. Frazier went for like forty two seventeen and six and we still talking about a dude hobbling out there getting four points. But I guess James harden was aggressive at the end of that game. And there was enough sloppiness thereby the Golden State Warriors at the end of that game with some out of bounds issues. Steph curry still hasn't had a great game in this series. That we've expected them to have you hit a game changing shot and the first game he hit a couple of shots yesterday. And we're not even talking about his dislocated was ring finger on his left hand hangs hardens is so this this series is still think unfolding in front of us and all the drama theatre that go into it. I very own Chennai, Google K. NBA analysts for years PM was on Golic and wingo and said this about one of the X factors on the Golden State Warriors Draymond has been playing way better than he has in the regular season in the postseason and even in the series. This is a guy that normally averages eight Nate he's now almost doubled his scoring average and still getting you Nate like you can't have guys like Draymond green and Andre Iguodala becoming the X factors for teams. So if I'm the rockets, I'm out there competing Clint cappella, you said you one of the warriors. Well, you have them. Now, you can't get outperformed by Draymond green at the center position while I do agree with today that you can't get out performed at the center position. If you're Clint cappella Bodry mongering, the two different players dream on is a terrific passer. Terrific defender, Clint Capellas a screener or rim runner and a guy who's going to catch love for you my. But that's exactly what the next factor is supposed to do. Right. I mean, I'm not going to concentrate on Draymond green. I've got gotta concentrate on Kevin Durant, Steph curry and Klay Thompson Draymond green plays. Well, I'll have to deal with that. If he doesn't play. Well, that'll probably be. The reason why we win. So don't focus on the next factor. You gotta you gotta just wrote a nice dream. I mean, because if you're trying to focus in on Draymond green clay's going give you buckets, Katie is going to be Katie Steph is gonna wake up steps going to you know, we're talking about, you know, Steph hasn't really had that breakout game. So if you're focusing and this is no offensive Draymond green. I mean, clearly wanted a best players on go to say, but he's fourth best player at best behind the big three out there. So if you're trying to lock in a stop him, those other three you're gonna give you work on the perimeter. And you're not gonna have a chance because Katie is going to be getting to the bucket, Steph and clay are going to be hitting three after three using screens on the perimeter. So you can't lock in and said we have to stop Draymond Marin green speaking of Draymond green. She mentioned Clint Capella in that matchup, Tracy McGrady had this to say on the jump today about Clin cappella and his standing as a Houston rocket right now, why will change the Powell Tate client Cappello out of this line of every matchup against. Hampton and you're moving in move in Austin rivers. I will put. PJ Tucker at as a big, and I was just have five Smalls out there to be able to penetrate James is able to have open space, and if they want to help out I got more shooters out on a basketball court opposing to having couldn't Capelle out. They're clogging up the lane love, Tracy McGrady love Rachel Nichols. Love the jump. I think that's ridiculous. You go to swallow against the Golden State Warriors. What you're going to do not only is give up the amount of the offensive rebounds that you gave up last night, which I believe was seventeen something crazy like that thirteen. You're also gonna turn the ball over more. Because you think you have more ball handlers out there. The guys still got play their role, and if PJ Tucker is the biggest guy out on the court for you. That means he is going to have to box out during mongering. So who's going to stick? Kevin durant? I think that will be a lot of that. We get torched. I think you just have to expect your money players to play like your money players. Mike will well first of all I mean, Steve Steve Kerr will he would like deadline of up. If you take cappella out their starting lineup because like you said, then you gotta you gotta match up. You're going you're going to go with. You're going to have a Tucker on Andrei Mont who's who's guard and Kevin Durant in that line for Houston rocket. I mean, it's not gonna be James harden. I mean, come on on rivers, and I'm not I'm not sure I'm not sure James harden can guard you and I and I've never seen you played the game of basketball. So I'm not I'm not sure that's going to happen. So yeah, I it. It'll be a match up nightmare. If you're going to sit here and take him out of line because let's be real. Clint the way he gets his bucket is when Katie and CPR d'alene. He's donor an alley oops, and everything don't sit there and let Golden State dictate what you're gonna do. I mean having too often you find teams trying to set a plane they're solid game. And trying to you know, set the tone how the game's going to be played you're going to have your let opponent dictate what you wanna do. He's Mike wells. I'm Jason golf. We're filling in for Sarah Spain and Jason Fitz because they just love not being on their own show. It is Spain fit show here on ESPN radio coming up the buckshot their way past the Celtics to even up their series who has edges these teams. Head to Boston. We'll discuss next on ESPN radio. Spain and Fitz disbenefit show here on ESPN radio presented by progressive insurance. I'm not sarahspain, nor am I Jason Fitz. My name is Jason gov. I'm alongside my guy. Mike wells. We're hanging out with you at today. Say ESPN all of our callers and guests will appear on the shell Pennzoil performance line. The other game that we took in yesterday was the bucks and Celtics and the buck pushing around the Celtics in that third quarter going on that crazy run they win one twenty three to one zero to Mike. There's a few things that stand out to me. Because like I mentioned in the first segment each games apparently is a referendum on a series. Now, the bucks have taken control. And I'm like, no, they haven't the Celtics got exactly what they wanted out of the situation, which was a split. But the thing that sticks out to me is not carrier Ving, not Jaanus onto the compose performance. Not Eric Bledsoe being the bulldog that we've come knowing love over this last year. So not either coach, you know, sizing each other up. Stevens out coach my Boone holes in my Boone hose, it comes back with a new way to to break the double team that they're forcing upon Jaanus. But Jason Tatum who J exactly this is the dude who was anointed last year because the the Celtics a lot further than people would have guessed without Gordon Hayward, and without Kyrie Irving, especially in the play offs and going up against LeBron. You know team was last go round with the Cleveland Cavaliers, it was it was some epoch stuff that was going on in that Eastern Conference finals. Then Jason Tatum goals and works with Kobe Bryant. And then he comes back off for the summer. And you know, and I listen far be it from me to downgrade a guy because he's working on his game. Because you gotta do it in Philadelphia now who for three years as the same issues, and we keep talking about and like is going to change like it should change. And after a while you are what you are. You know, sometimes people show you where the are the gotta believe him. But Jason Tatum works out with Kobe Bryant in the off season. He comes back and. He's the guy that's been affected the most by car, you're having being reinserted into this lineup and reinserted into the leadership position. And I am I'm getting ready to send it AP. I'll because there's no way in hell. The guy that I saw last year could be the guy that I've seen these first two games especially last game going for ten for five points is the whole who do you believe in theory, man? And I want to believe in the Boston Celtics. I think I should believe in. I think they have the better team. I don't think they have the best player on the court, which matters. But if Jason Tatum go play like that then Celtics are in for a long series. Well, listen, I'm gonna I'm gonna tell you. How things how bad things are Jason Tatum. First of all, he's the reason why Gordon Hayward coming off the bench in Boston. And Secondly, I thought they did away with the missing person pitchers on a side of milk cartons. I was in a store, and there was Jason Tatum's pitcher on there. They said we're like who is that. But Tatum has been I mean, let's be real. He has been straight, boo. Boo. The first games of the series. I mean, nine points total. I mean, he's four seventeen from the field. Four of seventeen when everybody thought this kid had taken a step last year and matured as a rookie without carry urban without Gordon Hayward and a lineup. Tatum's gotta be an off into force. He's gotta give them something on festively. I know they are talented as far as with with career now Horford, and Jalen Brown and Gordon Hayward coming up the Mitch, but Tatum has to be that guy. He has to be the number to score alongside of Kyrie Irving. If the Boston Celtics are expected to have a chance to beat the Milwaukee Bucks in this series. Let's face a game. One the Milwaukee Bucks. Missed a ton open shots game two. They hit some open shots. And speaking to that point, our guys, STAN Van Gundy ESPN NBA analysts was on. We'll go look and win going had this to say, I think the real bucks team is the one that defended like they did last night and Jaanus attacking the basket. The way did last night and even Bledsoe getting in the pain and making plays. I don't think they're gonna make twenty three's every game in this series, though, they do shoot a lot of them. I would say last night's team is closer to who they are. But I don't think we're that kind of shooting every game. You know, we saw last night was Jonathan for the Cuco diagnosing a double team early and also attacking a double team early making early decisions in Ryan hounds, and a lot of people on this network have talked about iana Santus Kubo being exposed a little bit in the playoffs because you're going to have to hit a jump shot at some point. Now, not only did he not have to hit too many jump shots. He went to four from three point line. The last one with the low shimmy, I thought it was in attaining, but he got to the line eighteen times because he was making quick productive decisive decisions instead of waiting for a double team to come and diagnose it, I think that's game one game two adjustments in coaching going on. But I'll tell you this Mike for the Celtics to lose this series. Because I think they have more talent. I think they're more of a playoff. Built team than the Milwaukee Bucks. Milwaukee Bucks strike me as a really really good regular season team. With a superstar talent, I think you honest is going to have to play a perfect game at least three times this series for them to win. And that may sound easy that may sound like every star does that. But I'm talking about a perfect game. Last night was damn near perfect game for twenty nine ten and the ad a few cysts only have one turnover. He got to line eighteen times when I'm talking about a perfect game where there are limited mistakes and defensively he is dominant. I think they're going to have to get three of those out of him for the bucks to move forward to the Eastern Conference. Well that we could summon a real quick with this. Jason you take Janas Addidas lineup. What are the Milwaukee Bucks in the playoffs one in done to win done? I don't know if they're a playoff team. See I I will give them a playoff team in the Eastern Conference playoff. Best players if their best players who air glit-. So Chris Middleton, right? Yes. If you're honest is an exactly okay. So now, you you can take you can take. A carry. We saw would Boston was like without carry last year. We saw were Boston was like without Gordon Hayward. You can Walson can afford to lose one of those guys. I mean, Marcus Martin doesn't get enough credit for what he means as far as your collar. You know junkyard dog mentality on both ends of the court. And he's all college snatcher on that roster to I mean, yes, there's a bunch of guys who get aside to heads and inside the feelings and star current up a little bit. And he's not the one. He's not the guy you could tell my bad too too often, especially exactly 'cause then he gonna go from cut you out after a while. But yeah, Boston can afford to lose a guy or to still be fine. You take Ghana's offered his roster and the Milwaukee Bucks or nothing. And that's why I believe Janas is the most valuable player in the NBA. While James harden is the best score in the NBA this series to me, though. I it there's a there's a signification I think is going on right now in the NBA where we're. Searching for who the best player in the NBA is like the last week or so Kevin Durant has gotten that nod again, I thought we were I thought we had done this last year. We're Kevin Durant. It become the best player in the NBA seems like Kevin Durant. Get a finals MVP for you to realize he might be the best player in the NBA last last week or so he's going off a forty a game. He's doing it in big games. He's doing it in close out games. And then Jaanus, of course goes crazy in this game. And on the Jatta status is still that dude. And we're looking at the Philadelphia seventy Sixers wondering what Joel Embiid is going to be if he's healthy enough to to give them anything going forward. I think we're in this area where we're not even talking about playoff legacies. Because these games haven't been as thrilling as we expected them to be. But we're we're like searching right now. And I think that's why each game has this much significance. That's why each game has this much surrounding it right now, we'll continue to talk about this. If you want to jump in Phil free, eighty eight say ESPN in at eight seven to nine three seven seven six. He's mike. Well. I am Jason golf. We're in for Spain and Fitz coming up, we'll give back into rockets warriors so much hype around this series. Are we in for a huge disappointment? We'll chop that up next right here on ESPN radio ESPN app and Sirius XM channel eighty Spain and Fitz Draymond green. When I think referee diplomacy, I think of one Draymond green. Welcome back to Spain and Fitz here on ESPN radio. I'm not Spain. And he's not fits sitter. And Jason are fine. But Jason and Mike, and Jason golf and Mike wells right here on ESPN radio the ESPN app and siriusxm channel eighty. Let's go out Mike to the shell Pennzoil performance line and bring ESPN warriors reporter, Nick frito, Nick how you doing man. Jay, I'm good. It's good to with you guys. It's great to be with you. Now, it seems like Duri Mons. Aim was a little higher than usual. And he's put out another superstar. James harden gets poked in the eye was inadvertent. Obviously it changed last night's game. But there was an injury on the warriors side of things to how is the ring finger or the middle finger on the left hand of one Steph curry, yeah, it's the middle finger, and it's hurting, but he says, it's fine. And if it's steps out there and he can tape it up. Just him in his presence being able to shoot. It is going to space out the floor for everybody else. But I think with a few days off here guys and getting more treatment. He's going to be feeling pretty good going into games on Saturday. And and for the warriors. I mean, certainly there there's a little concern about how that that finger comes along in the next couple of days, but the first two games of the series couldn't go much better because they were worn out after that clippers theories there was a lot of chatter after game six of that series going into game one if they add enough juice to take that first game from Houston once they did. And they realized that the defense was pointed a higher level than they've played all year with Dray Mantell. I think their confidence is off the charts in the moment. And if they go get one of these next to us, and I think that's a wrap after can't five. Nick take away the moaning and groaning. And complaining about the -ficiating through the first two games of the series. What besides what has stood out the most between these two these two teams through the first two games to me? It's the continued really excellent times of Andrei Abdala. You know, you know, from the worst perspective what you're gonna get from Steph and play in in Katie has been unbelievable in this postseason. Andrey mind is as healthy as he's been all year, but IGA Dala when you add him to what they're already doing. And then you say Andrei go go defend James harden in stay in his face for most of the game. And then give us sixteen authencity as well. I mean, he he has played really really well throughout the year after having injuries last season guys, but for him to step up in the way that he has throughout the playoffs. But especially in these first couple of games. It's just been a gigantic boost for Golden State because if you slow James harden, there's not a lot of other answers on that team. I mean, Chris Paul being healthy is huge. But he's not enough at this point is career to. To take over in the way that James does time and time again so eager dollars presence and his ability to change the game has been gigantic in my eyes for the warriors Nick free now. Yes, fan warriors reported joining us here on Spain and Fitz Jason cough. Mike wells right here on ESPN radio. Nick. I thought the DeMarcus cousins loss was big not because he had missed so much to the offense and they had played with them. So many games before that. But this team is not allowed to jump shots over the last few years. It's a lot of basketball on those legs. And I thought maybe if they slowed it down able to rest on offense a little bit with dumping it down to the post that would you long gate, their stamina and their fatigue levels. You look at it now conversely with Audrey good dollars. You mentioned being such a big deal in such important piece in pretty much a pseudo starter after the first few minutes of rotations that bench. There is no young. Andrea goo dial. There is no younger Shaun Livingston on that bench. There is no Leandro Barbosa at some point in this series. Is this bench going to have to play minutes where they can get some kind of break for those starters. Or are these legs going to become an issue as we get deeper into this series? I think in this series. Steve Kerr has made it very clear. He's gonna ride that anthem five group the death lineup with eager Dala in the all stars in this series. I think they're going to be okay. Playing katie's. Steph clay, Draymond forty plus minutes moving forward. Now, there's still another six weeks potentially in the seat. So at some point that bench is going to have to give them something in Jonas derived GL people came in last night, and he played some solid minutes. I'll Fonda McKinney his come in. And and given at least a few minutes about minutes for guys in the last couple of games. But you're right. This was the series with cousins against Houston where he was supposed to be able to export the the rockets defense and and give the worriers a weapon. Download they haven't had before. Now. He's gone now curve. Is going to have to ride the guys trust the most Livingston really struggled throughout the playoffs. But he came up pretty big guys in that second half make it a few plays. So they have enough for now. But it is something to keep an eye on moving forward at some point. You can't just ride all these guys with where they're at forty two forty three forty four minutes of game. Even if they say, they're ready for it. You're going to need some contributions from some other place, and it remains to be seen where that's gonna come from consistently. Now, the dollars in the folders the starter when you look at this series shifting back to Houston for games three and four. Wooded rockets have to do to like you said try to win game three or have this series. And then game in four or five games to try to make this little more competitive because there's a lot of hype surrounding it after these two teams met in a playoff last season. Nick. Yeah. I am. I think part of that is the words got so frustrated with listen to everybody's saying it might be Houston's time, you know, healthy Chris Paul and James harden plan the way that he is. I mean, you can't tell me the dream run. Katie word, listen to that stuff going really, really, okay. But you know, we'll see. So to your point as far as the rockets go you gotta find a way to get cleaned Capello going played a little bit better last night. But he was a total non factor in game one. He has got to give them something down low. But to me, it's getting hard open and getting him some cleaner looks because again in this ties back to a dollar. They have made it a point to say James harden. You are not beating us in this series. We're going to get beat. We're gonna get beat by somebody else if you're Mike and Tony in the coaching staff, the rockets staff looking back on that film, and you're going what do we have to do? Due to give him cleaner looks and give him more space with the ball. And that's what they've gotta figure out between now and Saturday night. How they're going to do that. I'm not sure because the warriors are playing defensively the way that we all thought they could it's just that they went to Malays through a lot of the regular season where it just didn't seem like they cared. All that much about some of those games they care now. And they know every time they go out there. They're playing for history. And I think that is crucial in how the narrative surrounding this team has shifted here in the last few games because stuff Nick is always enjoy Houston. My brother, are you? Gotta start you guys. So Nick free Dallas fan wars reporter right here on Spain and Fitz. Get triple action protection for optimal engine performance was shelved the power nitro plus premium gasoline coming up a new teammate expressed his disappointment in the ongoing tyreek hill situation should more players speak up. Just like he did we'll talk about it. Next pain and Fitz on ESPN radio ESPN app. Sirius. Generally Spain and Fitz welcome back to Spain and fits right here on ESPN radio presented by progressive insurance. He's Mike wells, Jason golf we in for Sarah. And Jason and Mike. This tyreek hill situation has been on comfortable from the jump. It has been uncomfortable throughout the trap process when right before the NFL draft a lot of news was dropping and we heard the portion of the tape that was played. And now there's there are other things that are coming to light this Riyadh who sports saying tyreek hill made a call to first responders to report that his fiancee, crystal Espinel was passed out at the couple's home on April. First KC TV five in Kansas City. Played a portion of the call hill made from a hotel room at the beginning of the month hill, staying at the hotel because of a no contact order between him and the couple's three old son that stemmed from child abuse investigation per the report hill may the call around five pm told dispatchers that he saw Espinel passed out the cameras that had been installed in the home. So this story. Continues to get uglier and uglier. It sounds like both parents are rather unfit from all the reports and the allegations that have been levied against each other. And now we're in this weird space right now where we're waiting on the NFL and the Kansas City Chiefs to adjudicate a situation that the the law enforcement and the child services are still handling apparently the child has been taken from the custody of the two parents and place with a family member. We're we're still trying to figure out what's going to happen with tyreek hill and in a league where I just heard it last night on Sirius XM NFL radio with Bill Polian late night talking about how NFL general managers in front office members view situations like this, and let's face it. Mike you've been around the NFL you've been around the NBA you've covered both. I've covered both football character and personal character are two different things and in football locker room. They are guys who who would rather you have football character. Then. Personal character. And if you don't know the difference as being being responsible on your job being accountable on your job, and at your job more, so than you are accountable in your personal life, for instance, Seidel in in between societal norms. So when we hear people speak about this. It's usually from fan's perspective. It's usually from opinion people like you, and I when we host shows like this twenty four hour news network, sports wise, those are the things on those are the entities. We usually hear comments from but we rarely hear them from teammates and this from new chief safety, and I put the emphasis Mike on new because Tyron Matthew just signed with the Kansas City Chiefs this year, and he was on espionage in radio, and he addressed the situation by saying, quote, I think it's bad, man. Obviously, it's very disappointing. Obviously, I came to the chiefs so hosted I could watch him play football and watch them run back punts and catch long bombs and outrun everybody, you know, it's very unfortunate situation. I haven't been his teammates much, just basically two or three weeks. So it's not really fair for me to comment on his character. I don't think I really know him. But like I said just with everything that's out right now. And obviously the audio is very disappointing. Not only from a team standpoint. But I'm a father as well as very disappointing close, quote Dana said, I'm a father as well. So and you're right. How often I mean, we've been in this business, you know, longtime. I've been doing this for almost twenty years. Now, I'm not saying to win it, you know, what working fifteen years, and if somebody's going to comment about some allegations against another player is usually. Somebody on another team. But like you said Matthew is new to Kansas City. And he is speaking out, and that we know how he feels and quite honestly, considering we're this is this alleged incident involving a child I'm surprised more people have not spoken out about it. Because it's horrific. I mean the ideals been played out there. It is a Riddick situation. And you would think you know, that people would be more outspoken about a football players other athletes, especially when you're talking about a child, man. Yeah. I mean, you went I are both parents. And so something like this is touching it hits two home. When you're when you're talking about, you know, situations like this where young children a broken arm should never happen on the three year old. And if it does it should be them falling off a bike or out of a tree or doing something childlike. It's never be at the hands of another adult, and especially that parent I have no room for I feel like in this country, especially when we talk about athletics. Far too often. We we throw out domestic violence domestic assault or child abuse. And just throw out those two words and not really delve into what it feels like what it looks like. And then the moment happened that we couldn't run away from. And that was the Ray rice tape, which I think brought everyone in this country right to the to the to the brink of not just being uncomfortable. But look this is what it looks like this is what it looks like this is what it sounds like this is this is what these people have to go through these battered individuals so from a personal standpoint. And this is me dropping my journalism hat, or whatever you wanna call it my integrity car when it comes to be in a radio host. I don't believe tyreek hill as you heard my Metcalf. One of our guys here at ESPN radio. So I don't believe tyreek hill is owed another professional employment opportunity in the NFL now hero. None. None. None. I don't mean that around. But when we talk I completely in agreement with my Rene, he should never play another down if. NFL allegations are true. If these allegations are true. And if this comes to light, I don't care how fast years, I don't care how how quickly you can turn the game around for you. If you can't City Chiefs fan, and and obviously some of the reports coming out of this Twitter feed for Casey TV five they were. The mentions are abhorrent. The way the people put football and things before people. Issue right there. Jason, you know, if some reason, you know, whatever happens with these allegations, whatever comes about if it turns out that that he is guilty of all this stuff. Too often people look at the athlete instead of the parent, and that that has to you desk, gotta stop at some point. You got to look at it from apparently standpoint from as you're dealing with a young child here. Got that y'all. You're looking at as a person to. Yes. Little people far too often are the easiest to abuse in this country. When we come back. I gotta Chris Paul problem. Thanks for listening to the Spain and Fitz podcast. Listen to the show six to nine PM eastern on ESPN radio and subscribe to the podcast on the ESPN app. Spain and Fitz.

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How plausible is Giannis-to-the-Warriors?

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How plausible is Giannis-to-the-Warriors?

"Welcome to warriors off to see school. Chronicles it'd be a podcast. I'm your host. Tommy will turn and the damned by West. Golden Warriors beat writer for the Mercury News during our conversation. We discussed the possibility of Y- honest onto the Kubo joining Golden State West. Thank you so much. Let me back on the PODCAST. Feels like it's been forever How you you think you're in Florida right now. I am in Florida. I risked the corona virus got on a plane You know I was GONNA. This is like sort of the time where you and I were GONNA have. Some has off time a little bit. Sorta Kinda there's going to be right around this time of year anyway so I figured you know what? Let me get out on my little apartment in San Francisco. See some family for a couple of weeks and Yeah it's been a nice little change of pace. I think everyone's kind of at that point. Now where straddling that line. Where you know. You're wondering should I actually go against you know certain protocols and travel or you know or do I wanNA value my mental health more. I it's been so long at this point that I think a lot of people really need to get out of their little bubble just to stay sane and that's Kinda like look we're allowed to fly you know you just have to abide by certain protocols and stuff I'm like are you gonNA risk something. Sure but like you're gonNA risk something you know. I'm not gonNA stay like a plane is more is is is less risky than just like going outside for a walk or something but like it's been two months and I I feel like there's a lot of places starting open up we're starting to get into it's important to keep Reading and watching the news and then figuring out what is allowed. What isn't allowed what's allowed now. That wasn't allowed two weeks ago. It wasn't allowed two months ago So it was like I feel like just follow the health official guidelines. And as long as you're doing that that's all you can really be expected to do even in Florida. We don't like all we do is hang out like it's just me and my family we're just hanging out back. You're in the sunshine anytime we go out for groceries or or picking up food or anything. We wear masks. It's not like the wild west out here but has been really interesting to be in Florida versus California. Because they're a little bit more there. There are a lot further along and opening reopening up like the economy and stuff like that. So it's GonNa be really interesting when I go back to California. It's GonNa kind of be like going back to phase one or phase three. Yeah And you know the main place. I'd probably go was Oregon but Oregon is just as buttoned-down as as California so this is not as much of There's not as much of a draw to go. I if I if my family lived in a place like Florida where you can actually go to a restaurant. I'd probably be more apt to to that right now. I was Kinda journalist. You've got to go to a restaurant yesterday. That must be nice. It was wild We get to what you had to wear a mask when you walked in but get take it when you guys on the table and there was maybe three or four tables Max while we were sitting there But it was really It was really pretty interesting from the standpoint of comparing that to California. I don't know man I think people are are getting Nancy. People WANNA get back to their favorite restaurants favorite bars. Obviously that'd be safe in doing it like an I condoning just like reopening stuff before it's safe and obviously California has different issues in Florida And I think California's doing a good job. But there's GonNa like by early. June you know after Memorial Day I he is sounds like he expects a lot more things so but too so I don't. I don't think California's not far away. That's that's good news. 'cause I I. I need to get back in my favorite bars and restaurants. I think that's maybe what I MISS. Most and a lot of ways. less You know we one of our challenges beat writers has been just finding things to write and say and talk about when there's no NBA season going on. And of course. I don't think there's been any surprise that a lot more people have started talking about Yoenis possibilities because I think that is every worse fans pipe dream right now and You know what better time to talk about. Pipe through then when nothing else going on So I had a story A couple of weeks ago just about how I actually believe that. Nba Shutdown helps the warriors. Chances of landing honest and I know people look at this a little bit differently. How do you do you think the set down helps the warriors chances and if so why I don't really have a strong take on this either way. I don't think that look we can sit here and be like oh well helps the warriors transfer. I. I don't think the honest thinking about pat and he's the person who's dancing decision right. He's not like wow boy like sitting here staring at my wall. And Milwaukee really makes me rather do this in San Francisco instead like I don't think that how he's wired. I think all he's thinking about is how can I get back? We'll play offs because the bucks. I'm like five and a half six game nine game whatever. It was lead in the Eastern Conference for the first seat. They had a really good chance of making it to the NBA finals. That I think is all he's thinking about and if he does. If the season doesn't happen I don't think it hurts chances. I think it's like it's almost unfinished business right. So if the bucks would have gone If the if the if the postseason were to happen in the bucks were have gone to the NBA finals. Me Like that probably helps his case for staying in Milwaukee because they made it to the NBA finals. I don't really know if it would matter whether or not he won or lost because just making it there for the first time probably would be enough to be like okay. Well we've got enough here to to win this thing Unless they got blown out and swept by twenty points every game but Had they had they had this never happened and they went to the NBA and they went to the playoffs and lost in the second round of the conference finals. Then maybe that helps the warriors case right. Maybe looks around. He's like look I guess Eric was just isn't enough for me and I leave but now because of the postponement because of all his weirdness that's happening whatever happens in the playoffs is going to be really interesting. Because let's keep this in mind I. I don't think it has any weight now. I think almost like write it off the bucks lose. You could just say well. This was really weird. And maybe you know Chris Wilson gets you know cove in nineteen and he's not even available. That is a distinct possibility and we don't even know if they have the home court advantage. I don't know how the NBA is going to award them. The court advantage if they move forward with Orlando plan playing in Orlando so this homecourt advantage that they have had in the playoffs. That would have helped the honest. Make it to the finals is gone and I don't know how they replaced that. Maybe there's something that they can do. Maybe they just say you know sorry. You don't get you just better than everybody on a neutral court But I I don't think that this really impacts anything necessarily I think if anything it probably hurts the warriors chances but I I don't even I wouldn't even go as far to say that I just I don't know that the warriors ever that good in the first place for this coming summer I think when the honest really happens is GonNa be twenty twenty one right and I guess I looked at it from a bigger picture standpoint and the fact that the war the the bucks were on track to have their best shot at an NBA Donaldson's nineteen seventy-one Since. Lew alcindor was on their team and You know everything was was was trending in the direction of reaffirming. The fact that they are they have the ability to put a championship caliber team around Yawn. And that was that potentially now has been robbed for them and we all know. Championship team is hard to put together and there are no guarantees that they're going to be able to replicate this next season even if they have almost the exact same roster because they had basically no significant injuries to season. Everything has gone their way. And so I get from that standpoint. I'm getting at the fact that they are missing out on a key opportunity. Potentially if if the season doesn't happen and if if the if the playoffs don't happen even if they do you're looking at a potentially shortened Playoff series without home court advantage It's much easier to get upset in a five game. Series isn't seven game series So that's I. I understand what you're saying in terms of the fact that I don't think honest actively thinking about this right now I agree with yes but there are factors outside his control that I do think could ultimately way into his decision And now if they if they had one title this year they in everything happened is normal and they wanna get seven series in the NBA finals. I think there's a decent chance that he he says. Let's stop messing around here. I'm signing my Extension this summer and I went all the speculation to be put to rationalism forward. I think there's almost no chance of that happening now. Even if even if there is a playoff this year Which that alone up tells you the words. I would have a better chance. Because the war the war for the warriors to Land Jaanus it and obviously will require Jaanus wanting out of the lucky. And that's the big effort here right is is he willing to leave Milwaukee And I think that that You know the chances of that happening him wanting out of walkie go up significantly just because of everything that's transpired the past few months Maybe I just I. I know what you're saying like you can't feel like it's no guarantee to feel the championships. And what if they go to the finals and win and all these things? I'm just thinking about realistically what I thought was going to happen. I think the bucks would have made the NBA finals. I I think they would have done it pretty easily. And I don't think they would have beaten the clippers. The Lakers who are the teams. I thought we were GONNA come out of the West And he would lost the finals and he was fed all right. Let's do it one more year and honestly it doesn't really make that much sense for them to sign the extension. Like I get why you would have the rest of everything but especially with everything that's happening now. It almost makes more sense to just go back into three agency and twenty twenty one in order to make as much money as possible right especially you know what I mean by that is we don't know what the cast GonNa be okay and so And but we we assume at least that this whole thing's GonNa go away in the cavs GonNa Spike Back. Up and twenty twenty one and it was definitely increased from where it's going to be next season so given that there's not really the I I don't really see the reason why he would do the extension. I still look at the season of twenty twenty one and I think they're going to be good again like you said no guarantee that they're going to be good next year man like there's going to be they have your honest. He's incredible. They have a bunch of good players might be knows whereas built the perfect system and GonNa be good. They might not be as good but they're going to be good and they're going to have a chance to get out of the East just like they did this last year so I look I understand what you're saying. I just don't know like you can kind of go both ways with it right. Like what if the finals? Or what if nothing happened? And they lost like that would have increased his chances of leaving to what if they went and they and he went to the finals and they win the finals. Then he just signs the extension resigns or whatever like there's so many factors that can kind of go either way that ultimately like I just don't think it makes that much of a difference. If that makes any sense I just think on a basic level buys the warriors time which is the biggest commodity. They need right now they would. They want to still have a window and that window I believe is not GonNa shut now at least until you know. Twenty Twenty One. Which wasn't necessarily going to be the case Let's ask same. Everything had gone as planned. And so You know one thing that I've been hearing from lawyers fans and readers when we bring this topic is why would the warriors even do this Which to me is an interesting question. I do think there's some validity to because there there would pretentiously a lot just to bring back one person you're if you're talking about strip trade for Y- honest would say he. Let's say he makes it very clear to Milwaukee and the next year that he wants out and they they're looking at doing a train akin to what the Anthony Davis deal to the Lakers. Then the asking price is going to be quite steep warriors. Probably have to give have their whoever they drafts with the top. I pick in June with the essential lottery. Pick from for Minnesota in twenty twenty one which is going to be very dress along with several other assets. You know you're looking at Maybe a good young player to someone like Eric School with you. Know a Klay Thompson and or a draymond green There's it's it's going to be incredibly steep and as great as Janas is I think there is some trepidation among voyeurs fans. If it's worth giving up all of that for one person it is a really interesting question and for me. It's not even what you have to give up okay because it in terms of what you have to give up losing all their like these. These three draft picks they have coming up. So you know the top five. Pick that they're going to have the Minnesota's pick next year and then their first round pick next year so whatever it be all that and then you're calling the trade Klay Thompson Not Milwaukee to thirteen. Because why would know? Walk Klay Thompson like they're gonNA be rebuilding if they get really honest like what good is Klay Thompson and rebuilding your number one option. Like what good is so. You probably have to flip Klay Thompson for another like group of young players to then move back to Milwaukee so they stacks that would be probably the way to do it but to answer your question like why the warriors fans want this. I would be like I get it but like you got no respect for winning when you had Kevin Durant if you're wars fan and by the way you shouldn't have. It was like the most lopsided talented team ever like they. You shouldn't have gotten the credit that other championship teams got. Sorry like those those are. The facts was a weird consul events. Perfect storm you got. You had Kevin Durant with seventy three when you don't get our sympathy. That's just the way it works so I I don't know why you would wanna go through that again and look if you're the warriors like your God is Steph curry right if you're a warriors fan that's who that's who you pray to. Right. Why would you ever go put yourself in another situation where he can't win another finals? Mvp because he wanted if you're honest on the team You would get into another situation where okay. That's not the best player on on this championship team. He's going to be the greatest player and more your sister he's GonNa go down as that no doubt And probably will always be that but I just I don't know why you would just put yourself in a position again. Where he's the second best player on your teeth. Like what fun is that? I just don't understand it. I've asked why because we win the championship. I was like but you would like it wouldn't be fun. Like what fun is that? I don't get it like we rather get there with Steph and clay. Draymond these guys. We've been growing up with and following like as as a as a sports fan and that's what I would I don't I just. I don't understand this. This Desire Perry honest with staff if it means glowing up everything that this thing is built. And you're just like your honest the rim and stuff at the three point line just much. Funding from more of my conversation with less culvert ran after the break. Hey Audrey Cooper here editor in chief of the San Francisco Chronicle and we've ramped up the news coming at you from fifth emission except not the physical that the mission since we're all working at home the fifth and mission. That is our flagship news. Podcast were interviewing anyone with anything to say about the coronavirus so that you have the latest information as soon as we know it so check it out that the mission wherever you get your podcasts. It's worth doing per simple reason if the warriors can do it and that is if they don't get you honest or someone like that. You know a young superstar caliber guy. It's going to be really hard to not have a complete epic drop off in the next few years Well what do you mean by the by the next two years what he had to win the Windows? Three windows three years. That's they have three years tops navy for. Yeah yeah three or four. Yeah that's thirty years. That's a good window man like three. That's what I'm telling worse. Enjoy the window like WHA- There's this thing I understand this want to be the Antonio Spurs and be good for decades and whatever like Okay Cool. There's ways to do that without blowing up this whole thing for one player like that's like just enjoy the window and then be bad that's sports. That's how this works. You know who's really used to being bad? The warriors with fans are really used to that. And I guarantee you under Myers and Steve Kerr and his group. It wouldn't be for thirty forty years when it will. They would rebuild. They would rebuild the right way. And Look. You can get three years down the road and you can trade. Klay Thompson you train staff you can train for you want you can get. There's waste bigger out and by the way look at the Capitol that they put together naval these picks you got nothing to worry about. You'll still be this fringe playoff team and be able to make moves on the fringes. And that's like it's really fun. I grew up in Miami Heat. Fan Man I remember like Lebron Dwayne Wade Chris. Bosh and you know your listeners right now. Oh well you're telling us we have stuff. That's very different than the broad Dwayne Wade and Chris Bosh just so you know and I and the there was a lot of fun when that team broke apart and they had to rebuild and they survived on like this weird like kind of fringe. P- FRINGE PLAYOFF. And then they rebuilt was like Jimmy Butler and BIOS. That is fun as a fan to watch that happen and to follow that happen And it's kind of like it's sort of a nice break to and weird way and if you trust your front office and you should trust them to rebuild without these like Weird Janas plus steph Kevin Durant plus stuff cheat codes. I do think the warriors are in a better position than a lot of people might realize in the sense that let's say the window is three or four years with staff and and dream on and clay three years is plenty of time to groom Anthony Edwards or a tires halpern. Or what have you? Whoever you end up using your top five. Pick on June into a franchise level guy. You know. Combine that with whoever you take next year in in twenty twenty one in a draft. That's going to be completely loaded. You know by the time staff is ready to retire or his is production is declining passively. You know if you if you hit on those types of picks you should still be well positioned to continue to at least be relevant in a week. I'm not saying you're going to be a contending team but you still should be a relevant competitive team. it's really. GonNa come down to. Can they hit on his picks and I mean that's what the NBA is right. You have to have long long-term Stability to have long term success. You have to hit in the draft and they're in a much better much more advantageous positions. They the first word because I didn't have any top picks when they were trying to move on from the Tim Duncan era. You know they got. They were able to parlay you know late. Second round picks and Tony Parker monopoly. They got Got Colli In the mid first round I think like sixteenth overall in a trade they got in a trade that required them. Giving up toward show was a good legitimate starting point guard. Nba They were able to rebuild on the fly without the assets that the warriors have at their disposal see rethink that. The warriors actually have a better chance to rebuild on the fly. Then that's the spurs teams. Yeah I think you know during the season There's been a lot of talk about how this is the warriors. Tim Duncan drafts. Right like the this. I had Robinson they he gets hurt. for the most of the season they get the number one pick they get this blue chip guy and Tim. Duncan there's nothing in distress so to me. This is more like the this is more of the draft for the spurs like those. I had never won anything. These warriors have if I never liked that David Robinson draft or the draft comparison between those persons worst always been more of a quiet Leonard draft for the Spurs where they had a championship organization. That was like kind of not old right. They still going to be like they. They went to the finals in two thousand thirteen. Not Because of Coli Leonard. You'd have US okay. In this final. He was good and twenty fourteen. Fouls Okay and twenty thirteen That seems so this war you're seeing could still make it despite whoever they pick them top five but that player could help this year. A little bit this coming season. And you groom him and he becomes this guy who could sort of. You could slowly turn from Nice role player to potential franchise building-block franchise pipe player That's what they should be looking for for the top five pick and They could do that and they have a top three protected pick next year from Minnesota their own something. They have ways in the draft if they want when you say there's no. Tim Duncan Draft. So you mean is when. Tim Duncan entered that draft. Everyone knew but Outta shot a doubt that he was a future. All Star there was no. Yeah there's a game on Williamson. Yeah yeah like. There's there's no yes. They're going to be a game changing player in the strap. Just right obvious right. It's not like you know there there could be. Tim Duncan Industry if there could be a future hall of Famer or two in the strath we just don't know necessarily who it is Just like Hawaii was in that draft. You you gotTa do the work. You've gotta find them. You gotta you gotta develop that player appropriately. That's how different aren't entire conversation would-be right now if there whereas I on caliber guy in strath. I don't think anyone would be talking about this Right now At the end of the day our opinion about this doesn't really matter what matters is what the warriors want what the Warriors WanNa do and everything I've been hearing is the warriors really wanting honest You know how the warriors operate. They've always been attracted to that type of Guy I think. He's the perfect in their system. They think that he could thirty thousand. They like when you represents they like you know how family oriented he. Is they like everything about him and I believe Joe like of at become completely infatuated with him at this point and I think that At the end of the day so like the one writing the checks so Even though Bob Myers does make a lot of visions Joe Lake of is still technically. It's boss Yeah I just. Yeah like Joe. Lake up once Jaanus. There's no doubt about that. He this is like this is ammo right. He's like who's the guy that would literally like. I think like I don't think he thinks about things about this way. But this is sort of it just it it kind of lines up like who's the guy that I could get on the scene that would piss the most people off and the answer to that is the honest and so joe like his all in on. Us Right He just doesn't for competitive reasons. He doesn't because he just wants to win and he doesn't care the cost and he doesn't care that people don't respect that way of people just don't. I'm not saying it's right or wrong that's not. That's not what I'm doing on this podcast. It's just the sack. Like how many times like nobody respected those warriors? Titles Will Kevin Durant them as much as those first titles or respected in twenty fourteen or the ones before that like just. That's not an opinion those that's just a fact and Julia Cup doesn't care all Joe. Cares about is like I don't care what you think about how we did it. These are how many trophies I have. These are my rings. This is the call. This is like the you know. The Palestine built basketball in San Francisco. The results speak for themselves. I don't care what people think about it. And that's how he's Gonna. That's how he approaches US. And Yeah after every season you know he's GonNa sit down with Bob Bob Myers. He's GonNa say happens next to the conversations are going to happen. How can we go get you on? Can we do it? What would it look like? What would it cost like? What are the options here? And so it's definitely a part of the warriors are thinking about They just kind of yeah the NBA. The superstar driven league more than any other professional sports league in the world. It is a superstar driven league. And you know as a as a longtime fan really comes down to how many superstars can you get on one team and can those superstars coexist And then once you can stockpile a couple or several superstar caliber players in their prime. Then you figure everything else out you know you you figure out everything else and you don't worry about i. One thing I've heard people is like well. You know they gone. They have honest and stuff. Then what else do they have? Okay where's thinking like that? No because here's Janas will be the highest paid player once he signs his next contract in the league. Steph is the highest paid player coming next season. Those are still bargains. Contracts in the league stuff they can forty three million for whatever it is. Next year is one of the biggest bargains in the league. That's good he is. That's how he is if a were not if NBA did not have a salary cap. They'd be making Farber. Oh Yeah we're talking about air jobs that there's really not a limit on their earning potential beyond the fact that we have a salary cap. If there was no salary cap you could literally pay them a billion dollars. A year and it wouldn't be overpaying. Make more money on. My Shoe deals right worth four point three billion dollars. Yeah since since you're like Botham and hasn't Tan. They went from getting worse. Forty four hundred and fifty million dollars. Which a lot of people thought they were overpaying when they paid four hundred fifty million dollars for that to now four point three billion. Why are they? Why did they increase in value so much? Basic reason is steph curry. Yeah Steph Curry and they won and because Steph curry so look I get it like you need to put like. I don't care you get rid of whatever you need to get rid of this and my whole thing here isn't don't put supersize together like I don't that's not like I think that's just that's just the way the NBA is you find. You have superstars put you find a way to put them together on one team. That's kind of the way the NBA has always been a new thing. It's just the way it's been done is changed is all With player empowerment. And all these things I would just go back to the if you're wars fan why you'd WanNa do that again because this team already has superstars on it right and then so I would you part with them. 'cause they'll get other ones who. I I don't like your twenty five and the other thirty that's really get it but but what but you know. What would you the thing that would happen? And this is just. This would absolutely happen. Let's say they will get you honest and they go ahead and win two or three more championships that would give Steph. How many five six Huge some players ever. He's just want it. You could give Steph Curry six rings. You can go six and you can go six in one and in the finals right. He's still wanted to be one of the best players ever if he had to do it with you on us you want. If you're a warriors fan. Is it worth to do that? I don't know maybe it is. I don't that that's the question asking. You are now putting a cap. On how great steph curry could be in the all time conversation and I know that that's something worse every I think people would disagree with you on that. I think if they couldn't I don't see how you could. I mean he's of all time who along shot and this is a game that on a basic level. The most important skill is shooting but he was the best player on one championship team won the championship. The Best Player one time. That's not top time. It's just not like it's it's ESPN. Just had them like ring. Thirteen or fourteen. That's fair that's fine. That's right where he would be. He would never get higher than that. Yeah I watching the last dance documentary and and I know we all have our opinions about in jazz person but one thing that I think Steph has going against him in that whole conversation is he. Hasn't he doesn't consistent. Louis play his best. The biggest games I don't he hasn't he he was good in the two thousand eighteen finals But outside of that he hasn't been dominant or any of his finals appearances. Yeah maybe that's the like if you're the warriors and you've already accepted that can't be the best player on championship. Maybe they've established that you know they're just I don't think they have. I don't believe that. But maybe they do an internally like you know the deepest darkest dungeons of case. They believe that. And if that's the case then yeah you go make you go make the move for us and you say honesty is going to be the franchise player going forward name. That's what you do. That's fine if that's if you've admitted it yourself my only thing is again. I directly to the fans of I know we you and I both know. The warriors want you on honest. There's no doubt about that I don't know how realistic it is again. I think there's a slim chance that it happens but I I would just ask. Warriors fans you know. Don't be so eager to take the easy way out as on saying. I actually think there's a better chance that happens. Then a lot of people would assume and by that I mean above a ten to fifteen percent. Chance I think there's closer to twenty percents and stuff ten percent chance and I think a lot of people would disagree with me about that but the reason I believe that is because I think that there's maybe twenty five to thirty percent chance that he ends up wanting out of Milwaukee and if he ends up wanting out of a walkie I think warriors are the best position to land for several reasons. I think that I would take on the warriors getting him if he wants out and walkie and so i. that's why I think that this is a plausible conversation. Yeah I I I you said that to me actually. A few months ago and I I thought it was really well said that you said like whatever chance is in the honest leaving Milwaukee the warriors have the best chance of getting in that scenario. I again I think that's very well said I I'm agreeing with you. I think there is some fun. Like honest and stuff like back and forth on social media and Banter is like take note of that that's meaningful thing. That's not just something you were wiping and look how players this is how players congregate now. They want to go play with their friends. Is the big three. This is This is Anthony Davis on Bron. James like this is just how it works. You WanNa go play. But the people who you're comfortable with and respect their games and the honest obviously respect you know the crap out of stuff and so you remember last year at the All Star game in Charlotte it's When there was that video of of Kevin durant talking to Kyra and then it came out a couple of days later that after the All Star game they went to Miami together and hung out. And there's all these reports about that and of course. Kevin Durant was all annoyed about that. He's like we're just friends. We're just talking. It doesn't mean anything actually means something like because he ended up teaming up with tyree months later and the reason they decided to go out of Brooklyn together on a basic level was that their close friends and I don't think that honest and staffer best buddies that same way but I think there's a phenomenal amount of mutual respect understanding. They're they're they're part of the same agency. Yarmuth says the same agent as Seth Curry They are very family oriented Christian Can kind of understand each other in that way and You know when when Jaanus is going out of his way to name drop staff publicly knowing that there's GonNa be all this hype around that anyway. He doesn't to care. I think that's that's something I mean. I'm not saying it definitely means his Golden State. But it needs something. Yeah underscores your your previous point that if he does leave Milwaukee and by all accounts he loves MILWAUKEE RIGHT BY ALL ACCOUNTS. He believes he can win a championship. In Milwaukee he also idolizes Michael Jordan and Kobe Bryant and those guys to and how they went about doing their business. So if you could win six rings and Milwaukee. He'll do it right so if he thinks that he can win multiple championships in Milwaukee. He's GonNa do that. It's whether or not he thinks that He can't let's also be honest about this too. I mean he saw the Kevin durant stuff. Kevin Durant never got the respect that Kevin Durant felt like he deserved. That's something y'all is going to have to consider. It just is and you might not have to consider it if it means like you trade Klay Thompson draymond green and all these things and you're basically rebuilding around Janas and Steph curry would be sued. Wouldn't be honest with not being honest will not join us. Seventy three win where you're seeing. That's not gonNA happen right so I it'll be it'll be slightly different but I think it's at least worth consideration But like I think look the warriors could pull it off. And it's not even really the assets and all these things but we saw everybody compares the honest trade like what it would take would cost. What the Lakers to get Anthony Davis it was. It would be in that ballpark. That's what superstars like honest and and anything anything about shock. Going FROM THE HEAT. It was a very similar type of trade. That's typically the cost that these guys come with But if you're honest wants to the warriors that'll happen. That's really the thing here right. Like they'll figure out a way to make it happen The players on this thing now and rightly so And so wherever he wants to go he'll get to Maybe it's the warriors. Maybe you want to stay in Milwaukee and he wants to go to the Knicks. Who knows boy every wants to go? He's GonNa get there. You're right I mean he's he's the CEO zone enterprise right so You know he he can call the shots and honestly he deserves to because he's the best in the world at what he does West thank you so much for joining me. I think you brought up some amazing points at hopefully. It's it's enough for our our listeners and readers that to to on to help us get through these court this Corinthian 'cause You know I think it's been tested on has Thanks for having me on. Thanks to West Gober for joining me on the PODCAST. It was great to hear way in his chatter words. Awkward is a production of the San Francisco Chronicle Support Warriors Awkward in the newsroom that creates it by signing up for a chronicle membership s chronicle dot com slash pot.

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"Check out of J. Cavin here shows and the Jalen Jacoby show major keillor. Don't ever play yourself. He is Jalen. Rose what I'm David Jacoby. Hey cool shake kin together with Jimmy Jacoby. What is it that we do? Well if the people want a little drama with the cowboys that's what the people got today. Not Jerry Jones. This time it was Stephen Jones. Taking a little snake. This Emma Man Dak Prescott. Let's take a look at what he said. He said quote to have a guy like Andy Dalton coming here not unlike what Philly had with Nick foles and Carson Wentz went down to be able to take control and win games when huge games for you. If that's what you need is really important but this is the good part and certainly when you've been doing it the way we've been doing it with a young guy you're hanging out there. You never know what you're going to get Jalen rose. I never know what I'm GonNa get from you as a co host. But I'm not going to say to the media. You know what I mean. I'm I reading too much like never know what you're going to get about deck. That's disrespectful in my mind. Let me tell you why Stephen Jones all the people in the multimedia that are trying to overreact to them sign it Andy Dalton should take his Dak Prescott frame of reference was the last piece of footage you saw Dak Prescott. He was living his best. Life you've partying during corona virus. He was throwing routes okay on a football field. He Ain't tripping on them San Andy Dong. Don't get it twisted any capable. Nfl quarterback but he's not Dak Prescott in so if you go into a season of win a super bowl with him. Good luck with that. That is a control ultimately. Because he can sign franchise tack and you know what else to call me back. Never gets injured so he gonNA be on the bill. It's all get the bread from sewer. Three million to almost thirty million. If you've got to do it for one or two years go ahead and do it. It didn't play that. Game Dallas Cowboys. I'll bounce after that. You can have heavy dog two years later. Well it's very exciting season already in the NFL. With all the movement. Specially Tom Brady. And what's going to happen with data? There's so much to discuss. But there's still a little bit of doubt in terms of win. The season will open. And what exactly will look like well this? I find absolutely ridiculous. This is a sort of the dolphins plan for having fans in the stadium. If that's the case just check us out. Only fifteen thousand entrances altered so fans could stand six feet apart while waiting in line fans pre book arrival time and enter by row mobile ordering system for concessions notify. You and your food is ready for pickup. Jalen that is just crazy. Talk that it doesn't make sense to me. What do you think about that proposed scenario? I am not. You know as skeptical about it as you are. Jacoby. I'm actually happy to see one. Nfl team acknowledged for the public. How they would outline sports especially in the NFL with fans? I'm already anticipating that. An announcement is going to happen the NBA. We're not GONNA have fans when we return to play and so for the in. Vail they hope to have a regular schedule is GonNa get pushed back lightly if it does. I'm not mad at the proposal. I'm just mad at the fact that I'm GonNa have to wash to standard on our four. I knew this is gonNA come back to two and also I do about this though to go the other way I love the mobile ordering thing like why are we do that anyway. Why don't have to wait in this line? But the really the real reason why does does bother me as you're just asking so much of the public you're asking so much of people to stay six feet apart from each other to not high five each other after a touchdown and it's just like look we're either for me with fans in stadiums like that. It's either it's either all the way in or all the way out. Let's say all the way safe or let's just open up the doors because this halfway step does not sound very feasible to me. I really disagree with you. Because the heightened level of coverage that the Corona has garnered the number of deaths the number of people and families that have been affected. Jacoby we are changed for the foreseeable future. People were walking away from one another like we can are probably contaminated so I don't care if you're at a supermarket I've stood halfway down the block almost a half a mile to try to get into supermarket so people are going to be used to behavior like that and give them a chance to get some football in their lives. I believe people will be willing to do it. I can't imagine the next time I give you a pound ugly. I can't imagine they might be like twenty twenty five the next time you ask moving on. This is a really interesting quote and this is from Klay Thompson in regards to the warriors and their dynasties at quote it just kills me inside when I see these other teams so many talking heads and some of my peers saying that the dynasty is over. They had a great run now and I can look at this two different ways to look this one way saying look we one more regular season games than any other team was steph clay draymond and were returning with Steph clan dream on or you can look at it like clay you had the worst record in the NBA last year. That's when you have the worst record dynasties over how do you read it Jacoby? Look that play just flew over your head. Would that is a K. D. subliminal? Everybody said that their dynasty is over because they lost the rent the slash brothers are still there. Draymond green played portions of this season. There's a lot of They're about to pick up somebody. Continue to Impro- last year by an wiggins and they're going to be back in the hunt along with the Lakers and clippers amongst the best teams in the conference. I would say I would predict it. They finished eighty two games. Doubt they will but I would predict that this would be probably the biggest single season turnaround in terms of final record after the regular season in the history of the NBA. I'd say it very well might be in the history of the NBA. If you want me to actually do the research and find out who the real one is right now. I'm not doing that. That sounds like work. Moving on Jalen rose is the middle of the last dance so of course we're talking about Michael Jordan latest. Is this story which I absolutely love is at the height of his fame treatment seeing in the last dance in order just to go to the grocery store something that we all do right now. Under extreme conditions Jordan did them under even stranger. He had to call the grocery store fifteen minutes before they close and then go in after they closed just to go grocery shopping. Which got me thinking? What do you think Michael Jordan shops for? When he goes to the store does he. Could clearly you see? I got it like that because I'll doing doctor that I guess people that goal to the market I'm noticed in particular athletes because we're discussing. Michael Jordan are ones that cook for themselves. So I really catch it in J. in the market means he WANNA get his meats fishes in seafoods for rush so I would not be surprised. The black cat is in the kitchen. Cooking it up like a ship well. He's smoking cigars. I'll tell you that much when we come back. My alleged beef with Mike Tyson continues. There's an update stay tuned for that. Two minutes we'll be right back Geico gets you access to licensed agents twenty four seven which means that. Geico is always there for you. If only everyone was always there for you like your wife when you forget your keys at work and you get my texts. I am looking for the spare house key. Maybe I can get through the window. It turns out the alarm works. It works fast. You should probably call me back. Geico always there for you with savings and twenty four seven access to licensed agents. Welcome back to Jalen and Jacoby. Jalen rose every single day we have had an update on Mike Tyson. And this one maybe one of the biggest he's being offered multiple millions of dollars upwards the twenty million dollars to fight in a bare knuckle fighting championship. Will we ever see bare knuckle? Mike Tyson fight. I don't care if you're fifty three. I would pay a million dollars for that. Wow you just covered like a new market that I I guess underestimated existed our remember how that you have seen was able to kick off with people doing mixed martial arts in their backyard and rest in peace. Campbell's slice and do a street fights and making it an our and our got mazowe doll if he fight Conor McGregor. We're going to have to go see that with that. Being said twenty million dollars I know but the thing is Tyson there. There's going to be so many people buying and this is extremely concerning for me in particular because of what Mike Tyson said about me. Nestor run again. Also tippin might Mike and I like that Kathy. Jalen rose has little guy when Jalen and Jay Cook right so we in Jalen so I'll be the little guy if mind Tim. Tyson tip entice. You did good. I'm saying like I liked it every time it hurts every time. He says Jaylen got his little guy. It hurts a little bit because just so distinctly Mike Tyson e. You know what I mean. I think I got. I think about my Disney Sign Lebron Championship. This is right there. That's an actual contract. That's that's my actual body take like is let me ask you a trivia question. What's your number. Okay having your body like that and being pushed at least three times by Mike Tyson. There's no number. There's absolutely no number in the world for that first of all. I would never eat hamburgers. Drink Beers there's no number in the world for me to fight Mike Tyson. I'm Mike Tyson out of honor because he just that's what I'm GonNa do need a number. Well he's not that anymore back. You know what I can. I duck that I can see. I can take those summit. Was those jailing back. You don't want right there. Jalen you brought up. We're discuss it because it seems like there is some potential for that mega fight you mentioned in the UFC between two of the biggest stars in the sport. So of the most entertaining fighters. I've ever seen our guys. Jorges Mas Vidal and Conor McGregor. They said that it could happen on. Bite Island Jalen. Do you think they can make this happen? So I see for the title shot the southwest t who just got released. Let me just tell you this. If these two guys finding Jacoby we got a golf course and not fans. We became a or something because he's longtime media. We People Sloan numbers. We got daynuss number. We got the month widow and they fight. I'm trying to flat. Everyone would be trying to go but you have to remember. No one's trying to go anywhere during the quarantine. You're going to have to a private debt for me if you got pay for the private jet for both of us. I'm not getting a commercial airline right now risking that you can just forget that. Jalen let me tell you something. If this fight happens I might have social distance and watch it with you. I might have to do that when we come back. There's a new serial got treats and you've ever heard of before I'll tell you what that is to this girl. Welcome back to Jalen EH. Jacoby Jalen. It is time for soft over. Bosman Jalen. I love pancakes. I also love frosted flakes check. South from this could be hidden during the Corentin. What do you think about Penn flakes soft? Move OR BOSS. Move Pancake Cereal. That's actually a boss move. I'm not mad at that at all. Love pancakes I love Serio. Each usually king go with a glass of milk. If you enjoy whichever type two percent coconut milk whichever you like and is not one of those combinations. That are like bolted opposite. And I don't believe that I would care for them together. Unlikely Jealous. I didn't come up with this idea. You know I like the name. You've got the pamphlets that that really does work and also one thing I said. I love pancakes. That's not true. No one loves PANCAKES SYRUP. And it's basically just a sponge for syrup like if you eat a drive is gross but you put some syrup on their jelly on there some butter on their next thing. You know you're like I love pancakes but I think the odds with themselves. They do not love pancakes. Pamphlets unwilling to disagree with Paul loveable. So sweet so sweet Jalen we've got some other big news you know they're doing these grant battles pretty much every weekend and there's been a challenge. Dan. Max Wants to face Jay Z. In verses Instagram live battle. I don't think wants then you can ever have been. Yeah I don't believe is going to happen because you know you gotta get out the pen and paper you'll get jaded. Do something and ex love the craft but already know 'cause I've been around the locks an ex brother who I loved but some supposed to start on time he can go necessarily either so that point point that Albert always challenges someone above their weight class. It's like French Montana trying to challenge deem MEX- trying to challenge Jay Z. You got me trying to challenge Mike Tyson. Like was just trying to up there goes. We'LL BE BACK TOMORROW. Four o'clock on ESPN until they cancelled. Thank you always say we get the people they want and of course we have to do. Some podcast exclusive. Now this was this is the. Don't get fired topic of the year. This is the don't get fired topic. Don't get fired topic of the I put this. Because we work we collaborate with the staff on what topics we talk about on the show and a lot more goes into this show than it looks like it shows up on the screen. We work really hard to make like. We don't and I put the Earl Thomas Story in the TV show and it was just. It was brought to my attention that that's probably not that that's probably not. Espn in the afternoon. That's that's you know that's more probably either. They're going to cover get up. I take no for Jeremy up in cash. Yeah that's why the successful because they don't delve into these kind of topics so we're going to do it now. I as I understand them. Earl Thomas has a wife. There was an altercation. He ended up leaving and then his wife tracked him down his snapchat accounts. I don't even know what's possible but we won't get into those details so she tracks down at believe she gets them home. Girls Together family members and she also brings a firearm. She takes the magazine out of the firearm forgetting it. There's also a bullet in the chamber extremely dangerous. The gun is off safety. This is all alleged from what you know. Tmz reported and then she points the gun at Earl Thomas and at some point Earl Thomas wrestles the gun away from her. The police arrive and when they arrived she is chasing him with a knife and he has a gun and also alleged that when she found him she found him with his brother engaged in sexual acts with what sounds like multiple women. There's a lot to unpack their jalen rose but don't get cancelled. What do you think about this story? So a few things you know you never WANNA see any couple go through any pain or despair so I just hope for for their kids. They find whatever solace makes each of them. Happy move forward because that could be devastating novelty anytime you talk about breaking up family. I know the dynamics of that is not a pretty thing for the kids. And so that's why each person has to be responsible about the decisions that they're making as you start to get older because more things besides just yourself in your feelings become collateral damage when you don't make quality choices in so i WanNa talk about her first if that's okay. I don't notice for a fact but she assistant and I say that with all due respect because she figured that he was doing something fishy and for anybody out there Jacoby. I don't have to tell you 'cause you married to mothers. Were grandmothers were sisters. Were grown up on my entire life. There's nothing nothing. Eighty like a woman score score be like a black woman and she realized that there was something happening unethical or valley she went. Sherlock Holmes vs. This is an impressive investigative endeavor from her. 'cause I phone. I don't really use it like that but I don't know how she traced him with it. Like what was he must have been sentenced napster in like maybe they sent an address back and forth or something but she hacked in there and she straights up with with the gang. That that's the first boy. The next point is not to call reinforcements you know melodic is about to go down and I'm grabbing a pistol. I need to grab my. I need to have peace with me. And so she had a couple of people that she can rider. Daryl multi family owned whatever but They all got together now any she had to search really far and why for where he was because she had the either she went straight there and you know what she did. Wait until three thirty in the morning and a lot of times when you're with somebody you know their body clock in when they're up when this lead holiday like the move I okay I'm GonNa go there in the middle and I'm GONNA make sure I ain't going at eleven am. Nah I'm going to go after potential turn up at the potential beverages or any medicinal any. I'm going after in the early. Am So now you get in there? The visual he got his rider die. Would we got his brother got his recipes. Brother Bill Rolls Miss Your love. You very much got another brother loved dearly Kevin. And if you're gonna be doing something like that you to be your brother you know what I'm saying. Jacoby is so. He's in the bed but I heard you say something Apollo question. I don't have the answers. There's a lot of shady details because I I. I know what you're going to ask out but it did audio sound like the sounds like two guys in bed but it definitely sounds like it was more than two women with them. I don't I don't have the exact male female ratio but I do know that there was At least two women with his wife now his wife comes in like like like a movie to the to the innocent bystanders. I e the other women who by the way. Why call him innocent bystanders? They knew he was married about exactly innocence. The right word but you never know I mean they they could have been hired help for journalists important journalistic important journalistic Information coming in as we speak. There's two women there with him and his brother. And they're in two separate rooms. Gotcha Gotcha Gotcha okay. Cool so now she comes barging in like Cookie Lyon from empire and she got a gun just not knowing because she took out the magazine. It's one in the chamber. That ain't a slingshot dangers. Adam they tussling over it in you said. He wrestled it from her like that. Daddy Nestle Shah. That thing goes off in any way shape before one of those people die data there so now the the endangerment in the the probability of violence is so very high and as it is it's GonNa be interesting for me to see ultimately if they stay together on that. What did you think I have no idea of the personal dynamic in their relationship? I can only speak from my perspective and my wife is not going to. We're not going to be celebrating birthday bleeding. This happened in like a few weeks ago or it wasn't like a couple days ago so I don't know Earl Thomas. How's your birthday today? You know like that's the other thing. Today's Earl Thomas Birthday and you know the bag is my favorite position. She was arrested on April thirteen. So the other thing I want to say is they did a good job of keeping low a lot of stories come out and I can't front sometimes I'll be like why didn't somebody report day like house because we police usually gets out pretty quickly and you know he found out. Tmz called I'm sure teams. He called for some sort of comment so he knew the story was coming so he did something which is very twenty twenty which actually like he got ahead of the story and basically put up his own video. Saying this is what's going to happen. This is our business not your business. You shouldn't discuss it which I do. WanNa talk to the semi series way because we do have a platform you know thousands and thousands of people listening to this right now and is it disrespectful to discuss it is well. It isn't our business but like you are a professional football player. And you know this is. This is something that did happen. It is reported upon it is of interest. So what do you think? Do you think that we are in the wrong right now? In this second for even discussing it because we have such a popular podcast. Not at all. This is not out of bounds. Let me tell you is athlete in public? Figure we're not peeking into his windows. They brought this to us. That's way different. That's entirely different. What something happens for public consumption? It's okay for us to talk about it and it's not like we were talking about it on April thirteen at four. Am after it happened. You talking about it almost a month after it took place so they were really fortunate that they were able to keep it on low for this long. Would you think well? I think that I know the exact sort of like how police reports get written and released in how media because when we joke about being investigative journalists but we truly aren't so I think there might be a logistical red tape reasons why it took so long to get out but I want to answer one of your previous questions about whether or not they're together and I still have no idea who these people are as people. I can't speculate on whether or not they are together but I can. I can definitely say this. They are together. This incident gets brought up a lot. You know what I mean if they are together earl. Thomas is like old remember when you tried to murder me. And she's like yeah. I do remember that and I kind of wish I murdered you because I also remember walking in the bedroom and seeing another woman you know like they. They both if they're still together. They both bring this up at least once a week at least once again by the way those listening and people that just got introduced to our show when you hear us. Think of it as therapy. Think about it. You just walked into a comedy store and we worked for Disney. We walk in close to the pool is possible without getting pushed it that. That's what we're here to do and for this story. Jacoby the way she handled it it. It it It's GonNa give her a different level of esteem knowing that he was doing something that hurt her feelings. And something that you shouldn't do in a in a committed relationship like that but I definitely agree with you. Ain't no getting over it. Because ultimately she runs the House happy wife Happy Line. And you're going to be like hey want to watch a movie tonight in for you know what she be talking about that that he of course. Of course you WANNA go shopping. She talking about that eating so he aiming nerver down. I don't care how many how many super bowls how how he Over in the rest of the world we don't move on we go on we go there. We're talk about somebody else in five minutes team. That is she stay. All that is known that is who knows but man. That's that just goes to show I mean is the thing is what one another interesting angle to this. Let's let's say they do stay together right. Jalen rose unless you're Earl Thomas and a beautiful young woman on instagram model. Just your type slides into your. Dm's and says men. I really I really love the Legion of boom. And your word. No no no no no no no no no no. You sound like a committed husband. Terrific Father Jacoby is. She goes back with him. She got all colds. What are your body scan is in his see. All living here is the way that let's imagine. He's social ticket. He's going to pick up the family. Some pizza okay. So he goes to his local pizza. Place we don't have a pizza sponsor new people so he goes there and then He. He gets his pizza and he's he's walking up. He's six feet away and then hit. They're wearing a mask but him in this young lady just lock eyes. And she's got the most beautiful is ever seen as she can see. He could see that she's smiling because she's smiling. There is and there's a chemistry that it's just it's just it's it's tense in the air because it just the firm owns flying between them and they're drawn to each other have a quick discussion and she says you know what. I'm never done this before but I just feel such a chemistry in connection with you. Why don't you and I come back to my place and eat pizza and see where it takes us and allied. He calculates is it. Is it worth risking my life tomorrow connection Rony Pizza? That's the calculation of the time that they're happen guys always had a stupid fantasies even with a match. It's like it's like the Beatles in nineteen sixty six if I leave the house. It's just like just like Zombie Apocalypse. Women just flooding the streets. I have to wear. I'm Michael Jordan. I have to call the growth or go there and wear a full scheme as going to grocery store fifteen minutes after the close just I get on calamity get on an airplane and a just go. Sit next to you before you know it. It's going just be like us to on a plane like a private flight. Order drinks having food single guys always have that thought it never happens so to marry guys or his wife already pulled a gun on. Oh that definitely have. They got old. Let me tell you something. He sitting in the backseat. She driving get the pizza. The pizza own front-seat. Not Him going to have one of those ankle bracelets on disturbing whereabouts at all time. I got an example. I got an example. I love him to death. He's my guy no shots. No Shane I love. He's my guy he might be like Doug Christie. Now Oh you gotta be Christie. Now she'll be everywhere. Nfl EARL or get intercession. He look it up at the stands. Nfl SCHEDULE GETS released tonight. She's booking flights and hotels for every of tonight she's booking I'm going. I'm going on tour. I'm taking everybody in the and bringing the kids so he got three kids just like you so you got any advice for early. He's on a roll with three kids trying to work man. Maui advice for Earl is is got. Shut it down. Shut it down you risking your life over an orgasm. There's no orgasm is no orgasms. Just not worth is not worth. There is no orgasm worth dying for not a single one. Don't do it also gun safety very important because I'm not going to get into the politics of gun safety laws and all of that but let me tell you something. If there's a gun in the house you gotTa make sure that all the adults know how it works. You GotTa make sure all the adults know how it works simple as that. Jalen. What are we doing on Monday? At four o'clock what you have Monday Chang out your favorite duels inaugural debut on ESPN. That's right Jalen and Jacoby Four. Pm EASTERN. We appreciate your support over the past nine years. We graduated because of you. Were taking you guys with us. Make sure you tell a friend to tell. A friend watched the show. Dvr The show sent us footage of you watching the show. If you WANNA get a hood we appreciate the gentleman. Tell the people how you try to sabotage the show and what. You're you're smart. I think we should be shown next week. F. Four twenty nine fifty nine so is three fifty nine fifty nine soon as it starts at four it should be Mike Tyson. Ti. That's what should be funny. You're engaging in they can't take it to our show you know. They support what we do. Mike is in every night he show easier every now no money. So how much? How much does he pay? So you know well He. He has something in his hand in catching contention Gar. He has something in his hand. He was impaired. No that was just the guy that wasn't a I don't think we we know exactly what that was. But it's like we get this big opportunity executives to be watching and you want to start the first show with another show do and not even not even tease it. Just play another show to completely correct. Who's the happy people and then boom channel once they see us? I think that's a really good idea. Yeah that's what I believe Sir. J You really want me to get beat up. Mike Tyson putting the show every single day every single day this week as we put a Monday Tuesday Wednesday Thursday. We have Mike Tyson. I really think that you want. There's a party that wants to be part of you. That wants to beat me up yourself and you just want through. Is it a little bit? You're Tyson's since you belong to Michael. We'll be back to mobilize views we're not done. We're not done. We're not done. Make sure you listen to the show in the daily on ESPN. Anyway listen to podcasts. Tune in Monday four o'clock on ESPN.

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HR 1: Lakers Opening Night

Mason & Ireland

39:59 min | Last month

HR 1: Lakers Opening Night

"But how water day. What a day was angeles. It all happens tonight. It's all happening right here on. Espn it is the opener to the. I'm just gonna. I'm not gonna i'm just going to call it the twenty twenty planning. You know what. I almost put this little video. Promo did today allies i. I almost said at some point today. John ireland is going to sing. It's opening night. I knew it was coming. I didn't think you would do it in the first minute of the second. Yeah so it is. It's gonna be fun night. We are really excited about lakers. Run it back from their world championship. Seventy one days ago. I think and we are already back to a new season. We've got new faces. We've got an exciting look team. We've got a deeper team. We've added talent. We've added guys like dennis. Schroder and marcus saul and west. Mathewson mantras herrell and all the sudden. This team does something that rarely a championship team does. Which is they got better. They got better during their short offseason. John they did. And i want to warn everybody that. Beware of ring night because even in years where the lakers have won the title and then come back and repeated they struggle and ring night because what happens if the other team has to sit there and stew right you get your rings and then you get your ranger. Wow this is really cool and then you forget to play the first half. So that's the pressure. That's on the lakers. Tonight that they need to show up here some info. Yes you want some info. Oh yeah. I know you've been. You've been prepping for this game tonight. Yeah give me some info drops knowledge this ring. Yep has more carats of diamonds than any ring in nba history. A total of eight hundred four stones. Fifteen point five carats of white and yellow diamonds another point ninety five carats of laker purple amherst stones total of sixteen point four carats stones approximately one hundred and eighty grams of a signature batch of fourteen carat yellow gold. There are seventeen. Purple am her stones in the l. to represent the seventeen championships ninety five counts of amherst to represent the ninety. Five days the lakers spent in the bubble fifty two counts of yellow diamonds to represent the fifty. Two regular season wins. Finish the order in a record breaking of time one month from the time. The design was finalized. They got the rings done seventeen trophies. Going around the ring to represent the seventeen championships. All the players. Numbers go around the ring. Each number has a mamba snake behind it. oh to pay to kobe bryant. There is a removable top that reveals all the retired laker jerseys with special emphasis on the to coby retired. Jerseys background has a snakeskin texture. Why killer season record on one side of the ring record of the individual playoff series on the other side of the ring. Removable top has unity on the underbelly which each player's full name in the background. It's players full name. How about that. How do you pack all that into a ring. Man much stuff. Who designs do we know i do. But i don't know if i'm allowed to say that. A webpage dedicated to the ring will go live once. The players have seen the rings in person. While you get one i do. But i don't think lindsey. I get michael would no i know michaels coming in later. I don't think the exact same on the players get. But i do get a ring of some gathering i do now gonna wear it. Are you not where it after you get ever i don i will show it to you guys. I will bring it to parties. I will let you guys try it on superstitious. I think only people with full locker room access should be allowed to wear the ring now. That was your first ring as the play by. Play guy right correct but i didn't get rings at that guy. They offered them to me to buy. They ought to give me one. But i never took him up on it in this year. You get one. How cool is that. Michael i believe now has nine nine. He's just got him laying around the house at two as a player he's got five is and he's got warriors rings also. Wow yeah did for him. Good for him. Good for you man. I'm excited that you get a ring. Yeah as soon as i get it. And we're back mason. I've seen you once since march toward so-fi yes and lindsey. I haven't seen you at all. Or as i see because i go into the studio. And he's in there some. I saw a When was monday monday. I saw you. But so when i when we're all together again i'll bring in the ring and you guys can see it when we're all together again. Thank god we're going to kick this year's ass out of the out of the building right. Twenty twenty is the worst man. Twenty twenty one is going to be fantastic spectacular. The up think about the only bright spots of twenty twenty or the lakers winning the world championship and the dodgers winning the world championship. And unfortunately you know we've been waiting for both those things for a long time. Unfortunately this is the year that we don't get to get together and celebrate. I think when this is over when we all get our vaccines and we're all free to go about our business. I think i think which should throw a gigantic party just a gigantic party. In fact you know what i was gonna do. Normally i do a an annual christmas party and the christmas party postponed for obvious reasons. I was going to send out an invitation to the twenty twenty one. Christmas party which is to set. How how how miserable to be though if we still can't do it in twenty twenty now don't even say don't even think no that's why you don't send it out. You don't wanna tempt fate. Yeah december fifth twenty twenty one. Everybody come on over. It's an open bar there you go. It's would what does that. Come in shots he said. Hey marty yeah you shouldn't set the why because what if there's a laker game than a ram game that night that strokes. What's a saturday night. Yeah so. I'm hoping you guys are in town and we will always work around the lakers schedule. The party is always worked around the lakers schedule. I just thought it would give people of ray of hope. A reason for optimism if they saw that yes. There is a party on the calendar. Put it on the calendar now. And i thought wouldn't it be great to get all those. Rsvp's people saying yeah. I'll be there next. Yeah be there next year to just some many bright spot right now. Any rights spa every year. Someone gets mad that they didn't get invited. Who got mad last year was it might have been a it. Might have been richard walsh. Our sales manager might have been richard. Okay so he's on the list for next year. He never showed up in the past. So i thought well let's not even send it to richard. He's never shown up every time and he says he's gonna sell us. Yeah ourselves yoli's rs yet. I'll be there and then you never shows never shows up so so john. I don't know what the starting lineups going to be tonight right. There's no leak. There's no advance now. I think three spots are locks but this is just me. Okay i think lebron ad and marcus all our locks. Yes i think the other two are up in the air and then sure say starting. Kcpt those guests. Yep that's what i would guess to. They started kouzmin. The last two preseason games. he's great. How excited with the laker fans if they started. Tailing horton tucker. Yeah but they won't they won't they won't vogel has tons of ops. I wanna see how many minutes taylor horton tucker gets in a regular season game. I think that it'll depend a lot on on how the plan on wall no the flow of the game. Yeah and i'm telling you you can't sleep on ring night because the other team gets really bent and plays really well so i'm not gonna make too much out of it. But plus the clippers is the wo- full can't get out of the second round big deal playoff p Clippers who crashed and burned inside the bubble. They are going to get to sit there and watch and see the about the lakers. Getting the rings the pull. I don't get the hole playoff p. thing oh no playoff. It's it's a thing like like it's like him calling him so yeah really him calling himself. Playoff pearsley will calling himself. Playoffs lihua is a me calling myself. Doctor doctor ireland. I could just start calling myself. That i don't have a doctorate got. I've been dying to get one of those fake doctorates where they give you. The honorary doctorate. Like i'd like cal. State northridge or cal state fullerton or cal. State irvine any of those schools. I'm available for your fake doctorates. I remember jerry butts such a great guy. He used to introduce himself to people as jerry. Yeah and i would always introduce him as dr bus and he says john you can call me. Jerry said that's okay. Dr bus i fear if you work hard to get it. He was a doctor of chemistry doctor of chemistry. Yes and You deserve to be called yeah. Phd it coming up next a question to ask you how much especially in light of the tension of his contract. How much bigger a role can we expect to see from cow kouzmine this year. That is coming up next for you. By the way at one thirty lindsay theory will open up the ranch notebook. She and it is not pretty a bone to pick with lindsay good thirty coal mason ireland seventeen. Espn by the way at one forty pm what team what. Nba city should. James harden goto. If he cares about strip clubs. There is a surprising answer to that question. That's coming up at one forty lindsay theory in about fifteen minutes. John ireland kyle. Kuzma signed that three or forty million dollar extension yesterday. How much of an expanded role do expect for. Kyle kuzma this year is. They're going to be an expanded role. I think my guess is and i'm guessing. He started the last two. Preseason games would be a little surprised. If he started tonight he could. That of course is up to frank. Vogel but what i think he's going to be is part of the second unit that is going to be more offensive minded right. It's going to feature mantras herro. It's going to feature kuzma in. May feature taylor horton tucker And so i think that's where he's going to get his opportunities. I don't know if i would use the word expanded. He's going to play twenty minutes a game and get his opportunities. Does that answer your question. Yeah that does answer my core. I actually after thinking yesterday. Because i my initial reaction was cheese. Why why kyle kuzma getting an extension. But yesterday i decided you know. He did show great improvement during the bubble in particular. If you look at last year's shooting numbers during the regular season throughout the bubble games in the regular season he played. Well you gotta you should make a separation. He played really well in the bubble seeding games. Yes not so much in the playoffs right but in the preseason he has played great including shooting forty two percent from three. Yeah he's been fantastic so this could be a big year john. I feel so strongly about it. I don't know i sent you. My fantasy basketball is shocked shocked. You drive you to really good team your small. But that doesn't matter in fantasy right. Yeah no doesn't matter it's all right it's all analytics. I'll all stacks just all stats guys. Man you gotta arts wings and guys that are going to put up big numbers. I'd like to lamelo. I think he can put up a bunch of big numbers. i think. Lavar in the deal. You hate lavar. i know. But it's gonna why i wanted lamelo. I just think he's going to be a fun player own. He's going to be a fun player to have in my team so Frank vogel here talked about coups extension that he senate yesterday. I personally couldn't be more excited that you know we got coups Into a contract extension He'll be with us for years to come. You know i just love what the young man represents you know. He's one of our hardest workers Team i guy he's he's sacrificed in many ways To help us win a championship. He's willing to do the same again you know. He's the kind of player that that we want here with. La lakers. You know on the floor you know someone. That's versatile offensively is a two way player that impacts the game on both ends you know has that that desire to win at a high level. So he's a big part of last year championship and You know he's a huge part of Of what we hope to do this year as well last week. Who said he wasn't sure of what his role would be. Here's frank on cousy comments about that. I spoke to him about that and he was just referring to that. He's not sure if he's starting yet or coming off events you know we'll see that play out tomorrow night. I hadn't told our team what we're planning to do with our rotation yet and We will probably have some fluidity With how we use The many weapons arsenal of this year. So you know the number one thing With with cruise in terms of of this team is to bring energy on both ends of the floor. You know he knows what we're asking them to do With regard offensively in more aggressive catch and shoot situations you know. Playing through him saw But also complementing bron ad and catoon continuing to grow a defensive end that that much is clear to him. You know where. He's going to fall in terms of starter. Starting roller coming off. The bench is still to be determined and will likely be flooded throughout the year and john. I mentioned he didn't necessarily Light it up offensively during the playoffs but defensively. He did show a lot of growth. When here's the other thing. Lebron was basically the lakers point guard last year. Right all right. And they won the title. He led the nba in assists. Ten point two assists per game only player in the league that average more than ten. A game if you were going to stick with that you know some people think the signing of dennis schroder means lebron's to have to carry as much a point guard load but maybe lebron wants to i. I think that's what franks talking about. It's going to be fluid. And it's gonna he's gonna see how this stuff plays out. If lebron is your point guard it actually makes sense to start coups. Because he's long. He can guard anybody on offense mates the trick is when the warriors were going to the finals every year for those five years. What made them so dangerous is that they could switch everything. They had a bunch of guys that were like six five between six five and six nine dolla curry clay draymond and so no matter how you screen them or what plays ran against him. It didn't matter because they just switched everything on defense. The lakers figured out last year. Some really good switching defenses and finished third in the league in defensive metric. There are the third best defensive team in the nba. And coups gives you that coups. Because he's he's six eight and long can guard. Almost anybody not too. Many teams have have true centers. I mean there's yokich embiid deondraye eight and that most guys are shorter than that sure And coups it makes sense to start. Coups lebron's going to run the point because it just gives you more options on defense. So i think you might see coup start some games this year. You know the one thing and looking at these preseason games and thinking about a little bit The one thing. I think the lakers won't do as well as they did last year. I think it's kind of obvious as block shots They're not gonna have. I don't think the rim protection Despite having anthony davis they had last year twine howard and javale. Mcgee did a lot of that. Dirty work During the regular season markelle saw is more of a conventional defender as opposed to a rim protector. Is that fair. yes but don't forget. That anthony davis might be the best rim protector in the nba. Only person that i would argue is in. His class is really bear. Davis was first team all defense last year third time in his career that he's been all defense second in voting for defensive player of the year right so when you want to protect the rim like if let's say somebody's killing like steph curry or chris paul or somebody's getting to the rim and you need to protect it. You could do that. There was a game last year. We played in denver where yokich in the game was tied with. Four minutes to go and just locked. Yoka chop completely took him out of the game and he. You've got that club in your bag if you want to do it. So yes you're right. They did give up some rim protection in jail mcgee and especially dwight howard but there's only one rim and eighty so good at it that i still think they're going to be a good shot blocking team. I think that'll still be part of their arsenal. You know one of the things that i think. I don't know why. I don't know why you don't like to take calls but i am completely in favor of taking calls on this show. You've always bagged on the caller. So i'm like no. Let's take some calls not only have you refused to take calls. But i've notice you've poisoned lindsey like the other day when we were taking calls because that's enough no more calls. Did she lindsay. Did you say that. I said three was plenty. Because i'm of the belief that we should be mixing in the calls. Sprinkling them in like a treat all take any call. We can get mason mocked callers on this show for twenty years. We're not taking any call weekend. It's opener acres. Opening day. free phones. How many tweets. I got that day where we took like five callers. And he was like i got him. I got those tweets. Hey mister i love to take calls. We can't calls right now anyway. Because lindsey theories come. Yeah yeah but i but here's the thing that i want to make clear is. The phones are always open. Eight seven seven seven ten. Espn you may have to wait a couple minutes. And if mason tonight here if he's on one of his many many vacations your call will get on the air but if he's here there's zero chance. Yeah but lindsay's here there will only be a sprinkling. There might not be three. Total whole day. This sprinkling is best for everybody. We just need to make sure we're just sprinkle in what about a ladies line can ladies line on you. Tell me as you know. It is a twenty. No hacksaw could not get away with that in twenty ladies come on no absolutely not women. Call the same lines that the guys call. You could chalk up the ladies line with the. I've been doing this for thirty years. What he doesn't play that card does he. What no no but you do. So we haven't been. We have been here thirty. We've been here like twenty understanding since nineteen ninety four john since nineteen ninety. Four coming up. Yeah we probably won't make thirty but we'll you know twenty five good. I'll be her. I'm not going anywhere i am. I will die on the air with a microphone in front of me. That's the way i ain't true. Yeah i coming up next for lindsay theory will be here. We will open the rams notebook and boy it says no good things at all and then at one forty what teams should james harden go to where the city's got the most strip clubs john. You will be surprised. That's coming up for you. Mason and ireland seven ten. Espn so players. They always say you got twenty four hour rule. You gotta you look at the film and you wait twenty four hours. Then it's over you move onto the next six day. This jets game is going to piss me off all the way till next sunday when they play seattle and joining us right now. She's gonna open the rams notebook she's brought to you by corona extra our game day beaches back always enjoyed the game with corona extra and official survey of the los angeles rams lindsay. What are you doing may spend the whole week mad at christmas this week. No oh hey matt lindsay. If you don't think i'm mad at you you got another thing coming. How could you. I thought we were friends. How could you tell me to take the rams in survivor. When i was one of two people left you know the second picked off that clause. You're all like to think about that. Our friendship would be okay. It is okay lindsay. Because i never thought about taking anybody else. I never thought for a second. The rams would lose that game. So there's there's a million ways you could go with this question. But what's the main reason. Why the rams lost to the jets think it comes down to human nature. I you know the jets came in a winless football team. And i know that for the days leading up to it. We asked players and coaches. Have you not look past them. And obviously they all said look at the. Nfl anything can happen any week. Yada yada yada. I mean it's one thing to say. That was another thing to believe it. Right i mean frankly. We as reporters looked around and said man. There's no buzz this week. You know no one in la cared about the game. No one in the nfl cared about the game. Kind of a foregone conclusion the rams and jet show up and the rams win and i think as much as the ram started talk themselves out of that essentially. That's how they showed up. You know thinking it was kind of a foregone conclusion. let's go take care of business win the game and get onto the next one and you know the jets The jets showed up in a big way. So let's let's go to that final ofensive sequence third four and four. They were in jets territory on the first plant third and four. They threw a cam. Akers wasn't open but down. The left sideline jared goff sailed over his head. Then they go for broke on. Fourth and four throated the end zone gerald everett. The defender made a really good play. Because the ball was there. And jared goff threw it really well but that was the end of the game. Why did they go deep when you've got downs to get four yards. Yeah that's a. that's an interesting question. And sean mcvay didn't really have a great answer for that. After the game. I mean he talks about you. Know they like the match that they like what they saw on but ultimately. It's just didn't make a lot of sense to do that. Especially when you consider that cam akers jearl ever earlier in the game had both had trouble catching the football So that was definitely a head shaker. I know that's obviously what a lot of fans are focused on right because that would have put the rams right there to win the game but this game was lost so long before that. And i think those plays i mean i don't wanna say they're inconsequential because they certainly are not. But frankly i mean that would've they didn't deserve to win that game whether those two plays went their way. Or not lindsey. If you know maybe but you look at. I couldn't understand why they went for the home run. You know what i'm saying. I mean like throat. To cooper kupp get four yards. You keep moving the chain yeah. Where's that wide receiver screen words that creativity. I was shocked that they did all that worked to come back. And then basically went for home runs on third and four and fourth and four. What did you think. I also thought it was interesting that they went to the home runs. Given i mean i know generally speaking they did have a hard time running the football. But that's counting the fact that cam akers had a couple of runs at got called back so i can't make if you add nose runs. That were called back. I mean that's a rather day for the guy sprained ankle by the way So it really doesn't make a lot of sense. Why they went for the home runs like you guys said. Just give the ball the cam like got a couple of down like what him grinded out. Unless you're worried about something else going wrong like it had earlier in the game. Let me ask you one more on second guessing everything here because i'm trying to put the square in my head and figure out exactly what happened and trying to trying to get over this loss. Could they have kicked a field goal. There it would have been. I think a fifty five yard does not have that in him. I i think he said he does have it in him. I i mean that would have been the you really wanna find that out. I don't think any ram fan wanted to find out. If matt gay had a fifty five yard field goal in the kicking game has not been a strong suit for the rams all season Not gay has missed them. Kicks that are shorter than that. Obviously in previous weeks he. I mean he has become a little bit more stable there. But you could have but i. I don't know that would have been the answer either. Right so lindsey. Now they go into seattle is we. Were talking about this yesterday. We weren't sure you would know. Is there a scenario. Where the rams could miss the playoffs or now over these last two games are they just playing for for seed position. No i i i mean. There is like these smallest as small champions. They could miss the playoffs with that. Is that'd be really far fetched at this point on. So they can clinch a playoff. Berth is being and if they win if chicago loses or arizona. Arizona wins. So i basically i mean the rams are in control of whether or not they make the playoffs but also some other things fall their way. They can also make the playoffs. I'm that makes sense because the bears are seven and seven. That is the closest anybody is to the rams in the playoff standings and the rams beat the bears so so they would have the tiebreak over chicago so yeah it looks like it would be a long shot for the rams to miss the playoffs. Although you know it's all it's all their former. I mean if they beat seattle they take their in the driver's seat for the division. Once again casella beaten twice right. Yeah they if they beat. Seattle winds on sunday. Seattle wins the nfc west if the rams beat seattle and then they take care of business against the cardinals. The rams win the nfc west. So we're sitting here like worried about the rams not making the playoffs. The rams are going to make the playoffs. Everyone calmed down. They're going to make the playoffs on and they very much still have a good shot at winning the division so as ugly as that loss was the jet Not to sound cliche here but they really do have everything still in front of that. They can but they are going to have to beat the seahawks in order to win the division. Let me let me jump. here john. what's the status of cam akers. We taped them up like crazies. Got a sprained ankle. Good to go on sunday. No he's not so he has a a high ankle sprain on and so he's out definitely against the seahawk. I'm sean mcvay kind of alluded to probably a little bit past that but the nature of these high ankle sprains. Those are not quick fixes. Typically i mean those can linger for three weeks. Four weeks i so i would anticipate that is out for the rest of the regular season. Opposite is not confirmed by any measure given the nature of the injury You know maybe you can expect when to come back some point in the playoffs and the rams win a game But that that has to be something that lingers and take the especially for running back to have that he'll Lindsay to people made the proble from the ramsey earned donald and jalen ramsey. Did anyone else deserve it and not make it. I think johnny hacker. I mean johnny hacker has had another phenomenal season But he didn't make it Beyond that you know. Cooper kupp and robert woods are always super consistent. But they haven't had the opportunity to put up the kind of numbers that some of the best receivers do So i think that Voters got this one right. But i do think johnny hecker Typically deserves to be in. There he is the best punter in the nfl. so lindsey. I was so angry after the game on sunday and we were supposed to put our christmas tree up and so on like we got it and we put it up. But i like mary. F and christmas just stick those ornaments on the tree. Screw it we lost to the jets. That's the way. I viewed that. I take these losses extremely hard. Now what i want to know from you is how will lindsay theory celebrate christmas. Like what what your christmas deal like. Well i mean this is kind of depressing you've is. I was thinking about going to see my parents in seattle. But they're kind of having a few issues health wise so i don't wanna even go near them because i don't wanna make anything worse and the fiance is scheduled to be flying happy travelers on delta airlines. But all weekend. So he's gone so you know my kind of so long christmas. Wow that is so sad. I know i know you. You have a christmas tree up. I have a christmas tree. Yeah i do the real thing definitely fake to i keep telling mason. He's wasting money christmas. I get a real one. Nine hundred ninety nine ralph's fantastic and great now right. I miss having the smell. Yeah yeah well. I'm sorry you're going to be so lonesome on On christmas. I'm very very sad about that. You can jump on my family zoom call. We're doing a zoom call at ten. Am on christmas morning. Wanna jump on their. You know that sounds tenting on. If it's going to be all about the rams in your sadness over the rams. I think i might have to pass mates for christmas. My mom is going to be on the line and my stepdad. Leo and my aunt. Linda my brother travis. My brother it's just going to be us and so we would happily adopt you for a day so that you're not completely alone with a joyous christmas lindsay. Do you have any of the corona leftover that we sent you earlier in the season. That keep you comfortable christmas. I mean i had saved an entire case in cajun or yeah. This is going to be good. Christmas corona and margaritas mean. His dad for me says christmas like being alone and being drunk. Hey lizzy we wish you a very strong with you every single week and we look forward to doing it all the way to the super bowl. Okay oh you said it all right. You're back on board. I like it back on board. Absolutely one loss is one loss. I don't care who it was. Yeah thanks z. Merry christmas by that is so sad by yourself at christmas time. A lot of people are i've worked. I've worked the last twenty one christmas but you're surrounded by people right. Well christmas. There won't be any there won't be any fans there of your whole team. You've got your production team and you've got michael thompson and you've got the guys that stay back guys luca. Dont'a chan kristaps porzingis. Yeah they're all going to be there john. They're all going to be there all right coming up next for you. The nba city james harden should not ignore if he cares about strip clubs. You'll be surprised what city that is. That's coming up next year and at the top of the hour we will circle back at two o'clock the top of the hour. We'll from frank vogel on on what the starting lineup could be. When the lakers take the floor tonight. Mesa ireland seven ten espn. Smith's i gave you my heart. Let's not going to be my song. I haven't decided on my song. I think john everybody says oh is the best. But it's really tough to sell taken on shining notch tough. It's really tough because there are high notes there that i can only imagine so lakers tonight. We'll have the game for for you right here on seven ten. Espn john james harden who is now fighting with teammates at practice. Boy that's going well. Yeah i wonder what how that story is gonna end. That'll be interesting. So james harden loves a good strip club. Yeah he has his jersey retired at some houston strip clubs. That's fantastic that's fantastic so what. Nba city do you think has the most strip clubs and we city with the most strip clubs fact that you say it's surprising rules out the obvious the obvious would be miami or atlanta. Yeah i m. E has twenty and atlanta has thirty. But that's not the answer right not the answer. Michael just texted me and said he thinks it's portland but i've never heard that portland's a strip club haven is that that's not michael thompson is exactly right. No that yeah michael's never been to a strip club. Did mike michael played in portland right. Did maybe michael has another side to him. That we've never seen light goal has made it rain in portland. You'll learn something every day. There are fifty four strip clubs in portland oregon including the golden dragon. The club rogue the lucky devil lounge in the closest club to the arena is six tenths of a mile so there is a strip club very very close to portland now. If he cares about strip clubs he should be demanding. A trade to portland. But i don't think that's going to happen john now. I'm not a strip club. Geyer you think about it. Well no but. I mean they're males strip clubs right. I've never seen a male strip club. We're let's links thunder down under in vegas isn't that that's a show. Yeah no it's not my. It's not my scene like i can get it for their members of our traveling party. A shoutout to your russ frequent strip clubs really but i. I don't know where the last time you were in a strip club. Wow all right. This is a weird story. Good i was at a fundraiser. A school fundraiser cap. When my son was in elementary school and my wife had put together a concert. She hired the english. Beat they were really good and at some point we ran out of change at the front door and she said hey. I don't know what we're gonna do. We're out of once and my neighbor. I knew pretty well but not obviously really well goes goes. I got it john. Come with me. And he says all drive and we drive out of the parking lot at this place and he makes a left a right then he makes another left and he goes in a back alley because follow me and he walks me into a strip club and they all know him there. oh really and he said hey. Here's everybody knows your name. And he and he rattles off. He was carrying a lot of cash. He rattles off three hundred dollar bills. Because goes can you give me three hundred and once in the strip club owners. Yeah sure in a game. Three hundred and we left. That's the last time. I know you didn't stay now. I've a friend who goes to strip clubs or is a strip club aficionado sewer. He goes for the food. I'm like shut up lou williams. Is it lemon pepper new. Yeah i go to strip clubs for the food. it's delivered straight lunch. She said they have the best wings in in atlanta he went to apparently that strip club is famous for its wings. Lemon pepper lou Still over there plan for the loosens. The losers replaced with the clippers lost the losers talking about finished second in the west last year. Yeah but they went out. They still haven't been out of the second round of the playoffs and it's not like he's playing in sacramento or san alkali. Saying i'll i'm my the smart move if i'm healthy is to opt out and but i'm not saying i'm gonna do it or not. Do you. have that hori hidden on a season. You know what. I mean a thing here but i'm just focused on season and obviously for you know. Stay healthy the vicissitude. Kleiner player option doesn't mean on the staying focused on season like that said we'll talk about that when the time is right now i know around a little sketchy it sure does and i know i know what he meant but there's a much better way to answer that question. If i got asked that question i was quite i would have said well. I signed a two year contract. And we're only a year into it. I'm not even gonna talk about that until after the season's over i'm focused just trying to win this season. That's it that's easy. And i wouldn't say anything more than that would you right. He went a little too far. He left the door open to. Maybe i won't be here next year right. Which would weird a an ultimate disaster scenario for the clippers if they moved heaven and earth for that guy. They've really moved. Heaven and earth to get paul george right why who wanted right coli they just signed as a free agent but they traded like six picks. Paul george which was insisting on. But that's one of the ones where they really spent years and by the way he's the only i mean if he does go to free agency he's the only real significant name on the free agent market now that lebron ad and john those guys have signed right. It's going to be a really good class and now not so much. Yeah now it's it really is a one person class if co-ops out and and there's a if he if he resigns with the clippers and think about it and he probably does. The cap goes up. I think you do opt out. Then you re sign. That's still a possibility for him but if he doesn't go to free agency then it's a terrible free agent class and nobody is going to get bitter better this summer. Nobody's going to get better all right coming up for you. Frank vogel on whether or not the team is ready as he would like them to be for tonight's game in the start of the season plus john fund game. I've got all the nba over. Under i'm great at that game. Yes and a to fifteen. We've got the scoop. Don't forget three thirty. Is the christmas carols. Sing off me. Ireland l z and scott. Caplan all crooning your favorite christmas songs and we will have a three judge panel to figure out who sings the best mason ireland. Seven ten espn.

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The Sedano Show (HR 1)

"Hey what's up. It's the sodano show kirk morrison here with us. We're at the ceo hotel spa and resort literally right across from the san here in huntington beach. It's pretty awesome not a bad place to be on monday. Man yeah not a bad place and people always ask me george. They always say kirk. Do you miss the n._f._l. I said doing if you see what i'm doing right right now. I'm talking about feet kicked up huntington beach looking at the ocean over there. I mean perfect weather and i was like dude. Would i rather be in ninety degree no more or two as by the way but still don't degrees practice in sweden getting ready for a season. I still like five weeks away like nah man. I i don't i don't i don't miss this part in terms of the training camp portions of the n._f._l. But man. This is a perfect place to be to have a show yeah. I think that nobody likes training camp. I think in training camp is basically for guys to find roster spots near the bottom of the roster for the most part and i guess rookies part but outside of that man. It's not worth ah i if you're a veteran guy like what are you doing there. You know like you want nothing to do with training camp. If that's the comraderie thing you know what i mean. That's why i think this week has. It's been comradery camaraderie week for the e._s._p._n. L._a. All the hosts yeah. Let me think about everybody's down here and it's like it's almost like we're going through a training camp all right yeah right right right. Normally we probably wouldn't do but i'm having a good time. I don't know i mean i still see the same guys. I always see mason in ireland. You know what i'm saying thing like. I never see the morning show guys. I popped in the other day because i happen to be in d._v._d. Building early in the morning and i just walked in for a minute to say what's up <hes> <hes> and i guess we'll all be there tomorrow at the lucky strike bowling event so that'll be fun so that'll be the chance for some of that so i guess you are right to that extent <hes> but it like here's the thing like i i was trying to watch training camp stuff on the n._f._l. Network yesterday because you know they bounce yeah and my guy andrews zulianos on there so i want to show some love love but no joke maybe it's just because i was tired from the weekend because i went to our buddy mina kimes housewarming party on saturday night so we went to that and i don't drink that much anymore so i had a few then like i was just tired children all that i just fell asleep. I never nap during the day but as they were doing their training camp thing on n._f._l. Network is going around the horn per. Se i fell asleep on the couch for an hour. I woke up because my son will up from his nap and i heard screaming screaming and yelling and crying and that's so it's just like i don't even know if there's any real juice other the cowboys stuff man there was no juice. There is no big. Oh a night over like played story story. You know i mean obviously like you. Mentioned this the cowboys but when you think about the n._f._l. This year it's about the young dude man right murray's dwayne haskins games like even the hall elephant gave me stunk hall of fame game always thinks it's still going to do a radio. I'll play that hall of fame game like the worst training camp had in my life. His member ended up. Everybody else goes trae tampa week later. You gotta start a week earlier. You cut your summer n- half pretty much but <hes> it was pretty low rated hall of fame game though they had only five million people watching gotcha only five five thursday night in the summer. I mean n._f._l. Will take that trust me. I sure i think that even though i believe in mcvay knows this because i've said this to a million times i think the smartest thing he ever did was not play guys in the preseason and he took a lot of heat for that last year and i'm right there and he he shouted me out as mike said he said you're. The only guy was out there defending me when everyone else was killing me and i'm like yeah for sure you're welcome sean but the yeah like now everyone's gonna do it like it's a copycat league and that's what can happen. You're going to get less people watching preseason games. Which i think is a good thing because it might lead the n._f._l. Just being like let's just eliminate half of these damn preseason games yeah. I like that half half the games. It's basically you take away two games but it's really about these joint practices like tomorrow night. I'll give them the bird head up north to <hes> oakland napa valley get a chance to see the raiders the rams practice on on. I would have liked to have gone to that that that's that's. That's honestly where to join practices so even like last saturday being rams. I'm training camp watching the rams. Take on the chargers. I just see keep to leap kiam allen. Go one on one and i didn't get to see like one play. I got to see he didn't wanna ones. I got to see it in the seven seven seven eleven so like i can't pay to get in a preseason game. I think fans will pay to see some of these match. Yeah i would love to see julio jones yeah because he'll practice but he won't plan game. There's a certain there's a certain level of you kind of understand. Hey we're here. It'd just get some work in you. Can i mean think about an n._b._a. When i why do the stars will play fifteen or twenty minutes and that's it but it's like okay. We're not going all out you guys going undercut or you know if something's going on down there. I'm not gonna try to run and do a chase down block. It's not there yet but we're gonna get a working. We're gonna play a little tough and then after that we move on your separate ways. That's what the n._f._l. I think is leading to and i'm enjoying this part of. I think preseason because i was the one i played in. Somebody's joint practices. Practices may also some tough day. Those are fun. Those are fine. What houston did one i remember when i was in jacksonville. We went to volley branch. If i ranch over in atlanta what do a do one with the atlanta falcons and knows are actually more intense than actual game because a game you know you can't control the variables. That's what coaches tesla like shami vacant control his variables meaning that i can put todd gurley in for twenty plays in a practice of sixty or seventy plays days and i know he won't be tackled to the ground. I know that he won't be in harm's way because that's what these practice it controlled environment. Teams are gonna start going the only the thing is and today the n._f._l. N._f._l. p._a. Got together. They're kind of dashing some things. I'll get ready for a new collective bargain agreement. That's probably on the discussion table table in terms of how does the n._f._l. And its owners recuperate losing possibly to preseason games because right now please don't want to. I'm not trying to planet freezing. I'll tell you how they'll do that. Let's do that in two and a half minutes saddam show here on e._s._p._n. L._a. kirk morrison hanging out with say here at hotel and spa and resort here at huntington beach hanging out for a couple of hours. Till seven o'clock makes you come by say. Hello hang out with us if you'd like. It's just really just a beautiful place to hang out. I don't think yeah i've ever been more relaxed doing a radio. Show in my entire life than i have been today <hes> so you asked me about the preseason games which look most most of us hated fans. Don't love it right because they've got to pay regular season prices to go to these games that aren't as good <hes> you probably more than likely will nazi any other starters <hes> so the answer's this when the t._v. deals up you eliminate that and you find a way to add a playoff round you had a playoff round and that's it you make it you increase one more team into the playoffs. Create another round and you make up the money that way they actually probably make more money in that scenario and then you get money from the t._v. Deals and that's the end of it. That's that's a very simple fix yeah well. I think also to remember <hes> since we are. We're talking about california teams. At least the raiders and rams only have their respective fan basis paying for one actual home game in a preseason right. The rams are gonna go take their talents over to hawaii and a couple of weeks dallas cowboys so instead of paying for two preseason games. You probably only get one issue but that's it's not the norm so you got what you pay for. One preseason game remember. They still have the london game so that's one less game. You have to pay for during the regular season because a rapidly played the raiders. They'll be playing in winnipeg against canada. I know yeah they're gonna play against the green bay packers so that's one less preseason game. They gotta to deal with but to your point george. Honestly i love the idea. I've always thought about expanding the playoffs. I really believe should be one overall number. One see the teams in each conference right and then you have the other three division winners versus three wildcard teams and so how would you do this so would you do 'cause there's four four division winners right where division winners right now. How many you have how many playoff teams six six six yeah so. Here's what you do you get. The four division winners asian asian with one of them will be the number one overall seed in that conference right so then you have three division winners against three wildcard teams right and so you'll have a tripleheader right on the opening weekend and then the one seed takes over the plays the weakest team available wreck next week right which i mean i i do give my basketball brethren a little bit <hes> give him a little credit in in the fact of that first round of the playoffs is a great day right. You'd i think in the n._b._a. Because basketball from like all day all day all day you can look at him while i'm watching this game. Okay i'm gonna get done but you still got this game and you've got that gave okay you got four games lined up the n._f._l. Can take over a saturday and a sunday the first weekend in january why not right everybody's at home to whether it's a little bit changed. You've got that you know the the new year's auto you already college. Football doesn't really matter because they have their their their playoff isn't going on for a while so you've got the time time to where you can watch three games on saturday and sunday and get that money back well and here's the other thing increases people's interest. I in the with you add another wildcard. You see what i'm saying like all right you that you know that board. They always do call. What does it say on these broadcasts in the hunt. Yeah that'd be morton teams in the hunt yeah. You know what i'm saying if you have the three wild cards so. I think that that's just it makes sense to do and then that's it. You can't really expand beyond that but that's an easy fix. If you want to eliminate preseason games like who cares about preseason games i honestly there's some people who do i mean honestly fans ends as well fans fans you know sometimes i think fans want to go out there and be i think it really should be about for people who don't get a chance to go to regular season game. Go check out a a a football game because it does matter to a couple of guys. I know for me when i was a rookie first year second year guy i love to play in a preseason because it was like my first taste of do i really belong you know. I don't want to go out there and a regular season game and all of a sudden. I'm going against tom brady which happened to me or first year but i luckily had a couple of preseason games. Go out there and make a couple of places. I know it does mean something to the younger players but at right. I'm not gonna see aaron donald. I'm not gonna see jared goff. I'm not going to see girly. Brandon cooked robber was. I'm not going to see any if iran's fan. I don't see any of those. I will say this though there are some markets where it's tough to get an n._f._l. Ticket but i would say more most of them. It's not that hard during the regular season like most people want to stay home and watch in the comfort of their home where they can flip from the game to maybe the red zone or whatever ver you you have all your own food at the house you could spend supermarket prices as opposed to the exorbitant stadium prices. You don't have to wait in line to go to the bathroom in your oh so. I think if you really wanted to watch the n._f._l. In most markets right okay now granted green bay. There's a waiting list right like you know the most markets mortgage. It's fairly easy to be able to say all right. I wanna take my son. I wouldn't take kids to a football game personally. <hes> go ahead georgia now my data we to the black hole early on as them. I had to go down unless you again the like the club seats where you know. You is not as crazy as not as people n._f._l. Games is and college football games too. Don't get me wrong. I'm not trying to. I'm not counting them out. Either people getting liquor up for hours. Okay you are asking for all sorts of malays lays to go on in that stadium it. You cannot sit in the upper level of most of these stadiums in the n._f._l. As a family scared george no it's not scared is justin i know why are you wasting your like. I'm not taking a small child to those games like auburn child but you know i think five six years old to kind of get the atmosphere because just think about it. No special game day is it's only sixteen sundays in the n._f._l. I did when i was a king sunday. You wanna talk all year long jordan. You really break it down to it for home games. You only got eight sunday really. Do you have a small child at the house. Would you take him to a football game right now probably but force kinda young for you yeah but these are the moments like say for example you go to rams games this. That's how you create fans and your kids because it's exciting. They're winning and they they remember these memories forever and this is when they become fat and i just don't feel like the n._f._l. Is fan friendly like for kids like. I think that baseball does it. Well the n._b._a. Does well hockey. Does it well because you don't have the lead up of people getting hammered for four or five hours. Not hammer emmer can't control. What's happening in your section. Sometimes when there's just some clowns getting into a fight i remember as a kid i was. I wasn't even a kid. I was old enough to go by myself. At this point. We were in high school and my buddy. I had my buddy's girlfriend. Her dad bought season tickets to the dolphins when we were we're living in miami as a kid and but he was a colts fan so he literally bought the season tickets i can watch the colts game and then he'd let us go to the other games and we showed up one day ambitious and this is pre game okay like the punters out there punti and they're these dudes. There's like a jets game and there are these two dudes out there like literally fighting one on top of each other on just blunt punch at each other and loud splat nearer. I'm like you can't take a child to sit in those scenarios because that was probably a teachable moment at that time george because my my dad would have said you see what happened when you drink the devils juice. He's the devil. We don't wanna drink over there. Don't don't do that okay. We play together. We played nicely isolate when you start doing that. See that's the devils juice over there. We drink in this most stadiums. I can speak for the coliseum because i a lot of rams home. Yes that's s._e. Tuba in particular n._f._l. The clowns don't run the stadium because most of all his people with sense and they might have their children. Everybody's kind of on that same page but you do have the clouds does any kind of see the nul rams stadium. It'll be different because it's going to be nice and stuff and this is going to be more expanded coliseum. Has this vibe history of fans kind of set the tone years ago <hes>. It's a little bit in general. I've been to a lot of football games over my life and i probably would say that. They're very few that i've been to that. I haven't seen a fight breakout in college or pro. Ask you see it coming because the guys you don't have to deal with that nonsense when you go to like an n._b._a. Game or major league baseball game or a hockey game. You know what i'm saying like with your the kids like that is not even in your purview rights at the n._b._a. Games i'm sure okay but one one it happens. It's rare yeah. You know what i'm saying. There's not a weekend that goes in the n._f._l. At a stadium that you're not getting crazy fights going on a couple. You got a couple of games. You know the man but that was more on the outside because people just acting crazy because that was like it was a sunday funday thing to do uh-huh coming up next <hes> the biggest news today in the n._b._a. Was draymond green over the weekend si- <hes> have the warriors kind of boxed themselves jobs in a little bit. There's been some discussion about that. We'll touch on that. You're warriors fan. We'll get to that. We're at the per se here hotel and spa resort here in huntington beach. Come hang out with here till seven on this show on on e._s._p._n. L._a. Yes sir sodano show here on e._s._p._n. L._a. where at the say here in huntington beach hanging out right on the water across the street from the water. It's beautiful location succumb lying out. We're here til seven o'clock kurkin here. Mike's year and <hes> where we tomorrow tomorrow we're at taco oriented really yeah and then we are going to <hes> bowl after that at the lucky strike right there as well so it'll be a good time so coming out where we're o._c. This week <hes> i will be here until wednesday and then now 'cause. I gave you two days last week i gave you i gave you a little soft soft opening on o._c. Week last week <hes> in anaheim day in rams camping irvine the other day so <hes> we gave you those sodano soft opening on hosie week week <hes> so i wanna get to <hes> dream on the second and you're listening to case in los angeles. I saw that the big lead put out this man. This tables flimsy almost kicked it over <hes>. They put out there forty for forty list. I'm no longer forty. I was on there originalist two years ago. <hes> but i'm too old for this list <hes> there are some plenty of colleagues s._p._n. Like our buddy meeting times is on this list pat mcafee who yeah who played for the colts who's going to be like this. Dude is hilarious so if you thursday night football which is really thursday afternoon football on the west coast but if you got a chance to watch that dude i always pair with adam amine which is great and matt hasselbeck who will be really good on that too but they that's going to be a pretty fun crew. I feel like if you like college. Football and thursday night is kind of that solo night and i know it's an n._f._l. Tonight too <hes> but may i just think the come rotary of that group will be pretty awesome. Is there gonna be loose. They're going to be talking about stuff that they'll be fun. Well it's different because his last week of our college football seminar he actually opened the seminar and i thought it was a comedian and i looked up like oh. That's really pat back. Who actually know what pat is to do. Just he's got a nice following behind him as well but he's going to give you a different perspective do play punter in the national football league. One of the funniest guy that you know but that pairing on thursday thursday night is going to be actually a pretty cool to start off the college football weekend yeah. I don't think there's any doubt it's going to be pretty fun being accountable before we get to drive on we had clout on here last week right my last yeah and <hes> i'm curious as someone you cover college for olympic yeah. I'm curious to see what you think like. Mike is what's a good season for them. In your estimation wow a good season for them. I would have to say like over under over under. I think eight wins for for me. I think over over achieving at eight. I think that's sustainable under eight. <hes> the the calls for urban meyer right here in los angeles are going to start going getting louder and louder especially with him being right there close to the u._s._c. being at the fox lot doing pre-game aim show <hes> i think eight games is about right for u._s._c. but they've got a tough schedule man that that that that beginning part of their of their season you you know stanford obviously notre dame. I think just fresno state. I mean presence out the gotha gate. We one if you're i'm not prepared over the summer right. Anything happened that week one because fresno state those tough up tax u._c._l._a. bought them last year fresno. Put it on him so but yeah the one thing i wanna i wanna see what this office looks like for clay helton obviously he brings in graham herald to be as offensive coordinator cliff kingsbury. Kinda stood him up at the altar. That's what i get it. You get a dream job like being head coach and a national football league. I'm gonna take that. I don't know who else wouldn't take that job but at the same time what is office now going to look like i'm rossi brown and can't wait to see him. Go out there tyler vons as well. Where's j._t. Dangles that in year two that's what this is really all about what he told me he was. They're competing for the job yeah. He better say that but if he doesn't say that then that's when you enter what the porto if he does all its competition competition petition because everybody knows it's going to be dang because if you don't say if he says it right now what happens then two guys say well. If he's a starter. Why am i here. I'm going into the portal right. That's that's the new thing because u._s._c. lost the bubble bolden yes in the portal in the portal last year to miami yeah and they <hes> lose anyone else in the puerto. That was a wide receiver wire receiver. I think he left s._e. And went to texas and i think he's trying to come back. I i gotta get caught up on what's going on but this whole portal thing is is just too much. I like the portal. It's basically free agency. It is so basically we into the porto for people who don't know out there. You're enrolled at a school. You're going ear and you're like you know what. I don't wanna go here anymore. I want to transfer but in order to transfer or be able to talk to another school about going there. You have to enter the portal once she entered the porto is basically consider your free agent now. There are some guys who enter the portal george and they don't leave the portal because nobody wants them and that's a tough pill to swallow out of players as you know. A lot of people like what happens if you if you if you put yourself in the portal and no one picks you up. That's the that's. That's a story that i needed like. I need to just go out there and do some investigative reporting because there's a bunch of players who internet portal and once you enter that means you relinquish scholarship to university people forget that you're the university that you're at currently gently you go into the portal. Somebody like you leaving. I'm a user scholarship up offset. Another school doesn't pick you up you just out there now you back at mom and dad's they say what happened uh-huh. Why didn't it work out right got to tough it out. Baby yeah that to me is the interesting part. I haven't really thought of that. I want to do investigative reporting on there should be a little outside. The lines on that on the on the portal draymond green signs a team friendly extension one hundred million dollars i for four years so he's gonna make one hundred eighteen over the next five. He talked about this. It's funny it last year. At media day. He talked about how he he wanted to do. Something that worked for him and the team and everyone just automatically assume because he left his agent go into rich paul which is lebron guy that that because generally when you go switch ages because you want more money and he signed a team friendly d. which surprise some folks but i actually think like people are questioning like oh are they to locked in. I mean they've got those three guys clay draymond and steph when they've played together have seven sixty four when he personally like seriously like i don't even understand why anyone we now live in a day and age where everyone wants to just go negative on everything always i. It's a it's n._b._a. Twitter we you know that's the one that you want to stay away from the n._b._a. Twitter once they get on they don't stop and the one thing i would say about this and this is coming from a guy who grew up a warriors fan still a warriors fan today. <hes> i thank draymond for getting it done. Now i think rich paul for getting it done now because now the interest season in which you don't have to worry about that elephant in the room. What's draymond going to do at the end of the year. We've seen that before how many n._b._a. Team it becomes a storyline throughout the season. It was last year for the warriors. They saw where the kevin durant situation what it did with that team. I mean inside. I know it probably splinter some relationships in there because they were having to acts. Sorry have the having to answer that question so what if kevin decided to leave of next year. We just played a basketball game why let's worry about that so drama. I think taking upon himself to get the deal done. They don't have to worry about it that nucleus together that that three is truly what the warriors have been built on draymond steph and clay so if you think about this story and i was thinking about this too when draymond sign the deal and if anthony davis could sign the deal wouldn't couldn't do it right now and i know it's it's it's different because of the guidelines behind his co. But i don't think i don't think by the rules are letter of the law well. He's allowed to but at some point win. Does he say you know what i'm going to be a laker. We're gonna work. He hasn't done it yet. Correct and that's the part that i'm saying is that there's always that little bit eight of what could happen. You know what i mean. What could it's the possibility well people l._a. Laker fans because they will eighties. He's going to stay. Don't worry about it. We all right well. I'm i mean. I'm just saying that it still until you put ink to paper. There's a possibility to anthony. Davis will be a free agent next year. There is a slim possibility. This is just part of. I think that it's it's it's going to be like again. I don't know anything okay. I'm not i'm not sitting here reporting anything you know. Sometimes these things get out of control quick when you're just giving your opinions i wanna make sure i say that on the front i would be stunned if anthony davis left the lakers one season because when anthony davis i have a chance to leave the new orleans pelicans. There were two cities. He was willing to go play in new york or los angeles and it's like it's for all the stuff he said because 'cause i know this guy some play a couple of weeks ago. He was at a charity event in chicago his hometown he called and he was he was asked about his chances of ever playing for the bulls and look man. I get this you wanna come home during the off season. They wanna be cool when you go home. You don't want people getting on. You'll be your man you stig. Why did you ever go play for the bulls. You don't want to deal with that. So of course you leave that door open. That's a smart i think i don't take anything that that he said there and think that it's just gospel just because i mean maybe he would consider them. Who knows if they're good in a couple of years or maybe even next year. I don't know you know what i'm saying. It's just smart business for him wanting to go home at some point in the off season to say that i i do think that if any laker fans got their feathers ruffled about that y'all need to just relax because i don't. I don't think it's gonna be for the reasons. I just treated which is he only had two cities. He wanted to play right and none of them were chicago. Yeah put that that's the reason why i brought up because going back to mind like all of that is out the window. Now what i'm saying it's it's all eliminated you go into that season now and you just talking about our underdog season if you're the warriors yeah and for the lakers i know it's a bit different. <hes> you know obviously look championship aspirations. I understand understand that but they are now the walkman in the n._b._a. They are kind of the favorites. Everybody's looking to now. We want to throw these guys so what who dethroned the warriors. No not the world talk right right right but i'm saying the it just now the possibility when you look at the warriors. You don't have to worry about underdog right now yeah. Their dog yeah think about there. Distraction is like so you're underdogs win. What happens a dream on right. There distraction in theory is that's it right is if steph can stay healthy. They can make the playoffs if he doesn't stay healthy then. They have a much tougher road right. That's just the ria. That's how klay come right those kind of things but they are they. We are underdogs this year and something that steph has said he's relishing you know that he hasn't been in that spot in a long time and he likes to kind of play that way <hes> yeah but it is going to be interesting because i do think i actually think i said this on the jump. I've said this on the radio show if clay comes back healthy by the all star break and he's got six weeks to get ready for the playoffs. Basically i give them a punchers chance to get back to the finals you know and then when the thing if they're they're you yeah no like i. I don't think that they're done with clay when clay said last week that the dynasty is over. I'm with him on that. I don't necessarily certainly think that dynasty of the warriors as those three doozer they're. They're going to have a shot but i still think it's the intrigue of l._a. With the clippers you know yeah of course yeah yeah. I'm just saying like that that but those windows are smaller i think than even the warriors because lebron is gonna be thirty five in december and yeah you have a d. in theory but you don't know who the next pairing with a d will be you know. I don't think the pairing of a._d. And kyle okuma moving forward is necessary because their deals are going to be up in twenty twenty four well. Steph is the first at twenty two. That's still a couple years away definitely going to work so the the lebron's window is smaller than you think. I think lebron okay. I'll tell you what i think about lebron's window specifically. We'll do that on the other side kirk morrison hanging out where here at the hotel resort and spa coming out here in huntington beach seven o'clock saddam show e._s._p._n. L._a.

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Hour 1: Wake and Take

The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz

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Hour 1: Wake and Take

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Trump Tom if you're out of the area. Now one seventy six four five six eight three seven. If you're not out of the area. Joe's Donald seven eight six four five six four eight three seven. Go now. It is waking take here on ESPN radio. I have news. I have notes. I have thought I have opinions. I could open up my microphone. I can give them to you. But that's not how we do it here on waking. Take the Dan Le Batard show on ESPN radio. You have to do the work, you have to call up ask the right questions. If you do, perhaps, you will get my news. My notes, my thoughts my opinions go Joe is in with us today. Mike is up in New York. He is prepping for tomorrow's show. Billy, Chris ROY are here, taking -tendance Alison here. Now, Dan here. Not here. Roy gets. Good, Chris good. I'm good. I'm good. You get. I'm Mike, right. You get. I'm good. Get out. Also, if you get good, Dan was good. Seating. Good. Go just said he has never wakened take before about about that. First time long time. You buy go jump no. Probably right. Definitely. We'll get to your calls here, just a second. But first, we interview Ghirma wow, I thought for sure this is going to be go just to his first time twist. Well, yes. Very good question during the local hour that I wanted to explore wanted to ask you about you ask the question. How many times a day, does Tim Kirch in col- Elias? Kirch is gonna join us at eleven we'll ask them. But how many times do you imagine? I don't imagine that Tim coaching calls Elias. I imagine that Elias calls, Tim Kirch it about that, Bill. I feel like there's confusion here like, you know, Elias isn't a person, right? Do we? It's true. We don't know that allies is in a know what all this time, I assume the lice stood for something, but it could just be someone named allies forts someone in a room. How does Tim Kirch in by the way, not having offspring named Elias? That's a good point. It's allies is not a person why to know maybe I put on the poll is alive person. But do you imagine that ally is caused him courage? Not the other way around. That's what I'm asking fat. Chris do you imagine Elias, just call when they have something for coaching? They call him or does does Tim courage pepper alive. I'm engine that they have just a walkie-talkie rarely can contact each other. Don't go phone call even has to be made its like shh Foale, who calls to this Kirk all Elias. Or does Elias call Kirch it. I feel it gets like they're in a relationship, but like they don't live together. So it's like, hey, good morning. How are you? How'd you sleep? And then it's just kind of like a running chain throughout the day between Tim and alive. See, you have a much more cordial view of their relationship. I agree there in relationship they don't live together. But I imagine Elias. Ascending Tim Curtis pretty racy you up texts. Okay. Tim, check out this box store. Pop score might be another working phone number. Today. Demi baby. Call me I was at three AM. Elias trunk again. Allies is the person. They Tim has a special line that he can't exclusively call when he calls Elias. Is it like the Kirch in line? Is there any sort of line? Well, he told us he has a friend that works at allies may not be a priority is is as that. Yeah. But he has a person at Elias, he just goes straight to this person and said, that this is one of his closest friends. Could be Elias though, I guess he'd never relented. Upside, I think, friends with Elias. Right. That's what I think. Now, picturing him texting. People stats in a tone that, you know, raunchy. Yeah. Six straight strikeout. You see them turn that double play six four three minutes only happen once twice. The first time live all air. Creeped out Matt. Saying why ball air like that? Really kind of puts me in a mood. I was ready for won't you got to keep going. No, we don't. Yes, we did. Dirtiest thing that allies, Tim have texted each other. That's a good question. What's the dirtiest thing that can happen in a baseball game? Yes. Where lies in Kerch hitting streak is so long. I feel like someone stealing home squeeze play. Tim probably grounds out to I lot biggies term sack on Bach, though. Dribbling? Can't a corn. What rupaul? What's the one that gets? It's got it's got to be in the mood. I feel like it's cana- corn just because that's the peon. Show me your best. Houses right risk on the radio does not work. No. Four, I don't even know what that is. But I know baseball stat. Oh, wow. Chains in whip excite Tim, as a great. Event tomorrow and Saturday in New York City, I was totally bring a trenchcoat. I have no idea. What would anything else is that? NC students, you push back on this, like you don't reek of trenchcoat guide. But I don't have one. I know what you look like if a trenchcoat were to become a person, you would be that person. Really? Because when I think of trench coat of someone, either completely nude underneath or someone opening up and trying to sell you something both the which seem very Brandt. China flash you. Yeah. Very brand for you in that case, the flashing, thank you. Tubby tovey. Go ahead. You're waking take here on ESPN radio. A first of all, shutout dots yet. So the crushing around the horn. Hey. In a two, two long for them to have Yonne. It'd be Shane themselves. Rash. I'm expecting is is Mike on today. We'll listen. We never know Mike you there today. Spike. You see there to just figured Joe together. Mike. You see, did you get a smoke break together. I know Billy told you that me and go Joe doing this show. Did you get a smoke break together for for today? Very busy week Mike. He was very busy this week. It's slow so we won't be what were you busy doing smoking thir- talking in the third person busy doing that? Busy not getting to the microphone on time. I mean but we doing I don't have headphones. This is very difficult. You work at radio for a living for crying out loud. How do you have headphones? Billy. What are you laughing at understand? He doesn't have had is my. Let's see. W anything else. Yeah. I was wondering if Kevin Durant gets rain for sitting out the playoffs this year. No, he didn't get a ring while being the finals MVP getting rings for sitting out during the playoffs. He's back to back finals MVP and he still has a ring in my personal record book bag, even the call of it. I want to stay in this Kirch Elaine for while I really do. I don't I don't wanna ever leave it. I wanna do tire show at it. No now I need to find out what Tim sexy baseball voice team uses way talks to Elias. And we'll find out we will. But after this more weak- take up stugatz here. We all love a night out, whether it seeing our favorite band in person or being there in the ground that you're on our favorite team with vivid seats. 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They always told will he was too short to play basketball, but will never listen. We'll let his work ethic do the talking for handle. Always in the gym always running drills will new where there was a will there was a way and he was will. But then after a second child was born he realized the pros were all way better than him. So we'll give up and buried his high tops in a tearful ceremony. But one day he heard that gyco could save money on car insurance. So he switched and saved a bunch, which was awesome donlevatar America's addicted to its technology, and it's really unhealthy. I keep. Having this discussion with my wife because she is on that phone nonstop and what I've asked for our family to do moving forward is, let's figure out a time where all of us put our phones away, and none of us use them till the next morning, stugatz haven't nobody wants to be with you that just dawned on me. Thanks, dan. Live at our show with a Stu gods on ESPN radio. I'm now back to wake take with Stu at seven, I six at four five six two cats, four eight three seven cats. That's seventy six two cats cats four five six two four eight three seven two cats. Call now at do. Do. Senate six two four five six two cats for a seven do cats. That's seventy six to guide so to Gad's four five, six two four eight three seven two two. Eight three seven. Baseball season's in full swing tomorrow Bryce Harper. The Phillies host the Rockies. Coverage begins at three thirty PM eastern on ESPN radio and the ESPN app. It is way could take year Audie SPN radio Levato out today. Kerch is gonna join us at eleven. Mike is up in New York. Mike. Are we expecting any special guests to come by the student? You're not where I was up in New York, which was right in the middle of the office, I was right by Jacoby desk. You seem to be in a much nicer place than where I was up in New York City. They rolled out the red coleus terrible. Oh, it's been a long week long. We lots of travel, but I'm not in the cubicle where we put Sam Van Gundy in front of that window. They rolled out the red carpet. I'm here in the CNA. Smith. Studio is at a town will Cain is at a town, and we have this fancy backdrop to really nice studio. I did not know you're in his studio smell, like, how is it smells? Fantastic. The air conditioning is perfect. There is a sort of white ball of light when you walk in. In to the door, where he usually sits, relieves, his aura. I like to imagine that there's just takes littered around the room to hasn't used, but that require him writing them down. And we know like any great battle rapper Stephen a Smith straight off the top. Mike is there anything from that studio that you feel like maybe you could bring home for me? I see a couple of items right behind your shoulder. They're like so state coffee Cup. The way that they do this. Studio is pretty amazing. I used to think that the Clevelanders suit ios worked at max efficiency, but all the radio shows Jalen and Jacoby. Stephen a Smith will Cain. They all emanate from the same room yet, if you watch them on TV it all looks like it's in a different studio. They change each wall is a different studio, so it's pretty amazing. An each wall has photos that are framed that are specific to that show and Jalen and Jacoby by far. The coolest wall is Jimmy Kimmel, and Steve Naismith one there. There is a there's a photo of Bill Simmons. So I'm guessing that's the Jacoby Jacoby wall. Yeah, yeah. They're parliament. There's an old dirty bastard, driver's license. I'm guessing this part of the Jalen Jacoby set right now. But it's impressive. Do I look like I'm sitting in the middle of a white ball of light? Yes. You're glowing the best. You've looked. Yeah. I'm so mad at sue God's we can get into that later. Let's continue with wakened take I lied to it won't be the big time. Well, it wasn't the first time and it won't be the last kid big time life. I mean bigger than usual, like no offence. I feel like this is like kind of expected. Chalk it up as I forgot the D something more so than a lie. And you know, whatever. Oh times. Twice. I apologize for it. No. Maybe it was four I don't know. I lost routes Kohl's. Jimmy Jimmy, go ahead. You're on wakened take year on ESPN radio. Gyp. Jimmy light dinner in the half. Court challenge say you got ten parts. You gotta hit the same putt that tiger hit on the eighteenth at the master's first part. Not the tappan crowds the same cameras are rolling. You get ten tries you make it everything comes along with being masters champion. If you miss all ten you never get to play another round of golf in your life. You taking the chance. How far was that putt? I'm thinking I'm trying to think back. Right. The eighteenth all at Augusta this a couple of months like a couple of weeks ago. You said the first putty had, you know, you have missed that one. He hit the tap into win it, but the first one maybe fourteen fifteen footer downhill little, little slippery left to. Right. Right. But that's the putty missed, correct. Correct. That's the part you add any any tapped into win it. Right. So you're telling me, the fourteen fifteen footer eighteenth hole of Augusta? I get ten shots if I hit one time I get everything that comes along with being the masters champion if I miss it. I never play golf again. Correct. That is a great question ration. That is a great, great question. Chris I feel about that. Ten drives the hit that punt. This isn't the same Brown or teen fifteen footer on an Augusta green. This is in the same realm of our half court conundrum that we did a few weeks back where you get ten half court shots. You make one you get two billion dollars. You miss them all you go to jail for two years. Yeah, like the the, the high of being a masters champion, obviously. That's awesome. But I, I don't wanna give up golf for the rest of big. We're, we're hitting that putt. I'm with you. I'm not giving up golf for the rest of my life, and I have left in my life. It really is this radio show and my children. All I have left has said that yesterday about the dead and the dead. So I have four things remaining in my life ESPN. My children, dolphin, the Grateful Dead and your wife. Let's go to Cory. Cory, go ahead. You're on wake you take your audience bien radio. Dude after I love you. Man. I love you. I love you. Hey. I think for here I'm charging you nothing. I wanna be your personal sports. Wagering consultant and a win so much money we're gonna win so much money. Qualifications. Have did you see my picks to you? Gots last year. I started the season one in thirty four. Jackley and we're gonna go we're gonna flip that this year got signed, but one newness for twenty years, baby. But why should I trust? Just had a curiosity. Well, 'cause I'm not charging you. I'm gonna prove to you how good I am. I maybe at the end of it all we play around the golf together. That's it. Well depends that much money you do this. Man do this. You give us three winters right now for the weekend. You get them. All right. We'll talk to you on Monday gray point. Okay. Okay. Right. Yep. Three winters, grow. Take the points with Toronto tonight with Serano tonight yet. Minnesota Seattle over Minnesota Seattle over, I think it's eight and a half or nine are you talking twins and Mariners there? Yes, sir. The twinkies. And, and let's go Yankees run line, the Yanks right to the X run line many and Mariners over the twinkies and we have the points with Toronto. Here's the deal Bill take number damn. Okay. Corey if you go three and over the weekend, we will make this app it. I mean you're offering me free services, but I'm still I am not convinced. I want your services yet perhaps, I'll be more convinced after the weekend put him at home. Get your number. And maybe perhaps your three wins away from becoming my best friend about that. Entertainment purposes, only, of course, of course, of course, I feel like you should take the spirit of the masters bet. And if he goes over three there's gotta be a penalty. You gotta go the other way on this if he goes three. No. He gets to be your best friend make pick for you. Golfing. He goes oh, and three can listen again band. Transition time for so Matt's. Who's gonna make sure that happens, though. Someone Chris, you get a ride around in his car. Make sure you never listened to the show. Again, that's every type of judge turned it on you, turn it off the gaggy. Good enforcer. Donlevatar mummy. Do you say to me God's don't do y'all? Basis libertas show with Stu gods on ESPN radio. 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And now your sportscenter update the Stanley Cup playoffs the Eastern Conference final. The Bruins sweep the hurricanes for nothing. They advanced to the Stanley Cup final over in the Western Conference final, the sharks take on the blues and game four tonight, San Jose leads that series two to one the refs undefeated so far. And finally, apples can be a hero before they land on your supermarket shelves. Let's. I know San Jose's getting away with murder. With vivid seats app. It's easy to find awesome seats anytime to any game go to the app store, Google play and download the app and enter promo code champs at checkout to get ten percent off your first order. Don't buy just any seat. Get a vivid seat for all the latest headlines and information tune into sports center on ESPN radio all throughout the day. I go just sitting in today lebatardshow is off. Go Joe will be on highly questionable a little bit later on with Meena cons. Correct poppy, of course course H unit. I I'm on the show. Yeah. No excited about this. One bratty really got to be on my. I'm also really mad at. Yeah. Flew down here. I mean, I'm two steps across the hallway and boom on the show. I think you know what to be prepared for right? We need to warn you about this. No, I know what to be prepared for. But I also know myself, and I'm excited about this pass up a good handshake. I'm gonna get caught up in the moment isn't one of like three people at ESPN. I was genuinely starstruck. The first time I met like when I came down here and it's been a while. By the way, thanks for the invite back, two years later guys, really appreciate it. You got a new pig since then. Yeah. Those guys used us as a stepping stone to get yourself on your debt of that snake my way into their nice started within our us. They to stay for your agent. Who's my agent keeps telling us. No. I mean, we keep inviting you and he keeps telling us no kinda messed my wrong now. So we were talking earlier this week me go Joe about how handle this poppy situation, and he was saying really nervous and he didn't want to vomit on poppy, and I think that you absolutely need. To that would be incredible. And that's in that's in my bag. Like when I played before every game from high school through college that I played in the game you actually did that, that's a thing. I thought that was just that thing in movies. I gotta go. Pook couldn't help the program. I didn't want to help yourself. Take me through this, walk me through this pooping. So all right. So here's how it lays out IB. Let's go to south bend. I'm in the tunnel back of the tunnel at Notre Dame's. I don't like being out front. I look bad my uniform. I'm fat. I'm usually even God forbid it's a road game. The road whites hell on earth for factors roadway sterile, I'm in the back of the tunnel you trying to hide trying to hide because I know what's coming. I don't eat much at the pre game meal like I'm taking all the effort, but all the sudden you just get that kind of lump in your throat and it's right before we're about to go running out there. So I also don't want people to step in it like it is a concrete tunnel. It is not hiding anywhere and there's me in the back just barf in through my face mask, on the side of the tunnel in south bend, not. Great not a great scene. Are you the only one doing this? Oh, no other players do it just, you know, a solo barber. Wow. So, like, you didn't feel anything weird about hitting the play, like a champion today sign, and then just puking your guts out all over the place. No, I made it away from that because carpeted in there, I don't wanna be the one that has to go back in their cleaning or God forbid, someone else has to clean up my puke off the carpet like off the concrete sprayed, the detach time before every game like oh yeah. Hard is it mandatory? I mean you walk right past, you're not going to be the guy. Everyone's got a little routine. I went to hands heart on it one hand after there's the one that people don't know about is at the top of the stairwell before you go down there. There's a little leprechaun sign right there and everyone's got their own little routine with that to mine was pound pound slide, I would giving five blow kiss little. I never saw anyone blow a kiss. But the little leprechaun has what appears to be drug paraphernalia hands. I'm not really sure what it is. It looks like he's holding something. And there were guys from time to time who would pantomime pulling it away from the little effort. Con maybe indulging. I love that. We're gonna talk basketball this segment. But I like where we're at really do. Sorry. We were having a debate jail or basketball. What do we wanna talk about during the break, and we all decided basketball, and here we are talking about go, Joe puking Notre Dame white makes them? Look, fat's got today between this show like a lazy river, just let the show take you. Mike Ryan is getting annoyed. Favorite part about Dr basketball. I came into the segment wanting dog basketball. I really did. I did not hear Mike look at my notes. Why is waking take music even playing? Listen, it's a lazy river Friday. I we are just jumping into the radio. Together me go Joe ROY, Chris Billy were shirtless, and we just let this show take us where it takes us. You don't the show. You don't fight a lazy river. Michael, it is. Certainly lazy. No. Disputing that. Mike's palpable. I can see you rarely get to see visible disgust. I have seen it every time. I've looked right? And caught. Mike Ryan face during this gate is palpable disgust and I'm not gonna lie. I kind of bogarted the segment I feel like it's aimed at me. No, no, no. It's not about you. Got an I got beef. We got in fact, I'm going to tell you might be sue God's later. Let's get on the clocks stop playing wakened take Lee's. We're talking basketball next. Splash. We're here. He's there anytime he wants to bring up this beep shut his off. He got me, but I wanna know I lied to him about greenie inviting him to our vents. Spoiler alert. Really kill me. No. You don't. You don't get to defend yourself on the front end. What sue God's did was the worst donlevatar. I'm telling you. We are good here. Trust me. I've never let you dance to God's it's like living a life. Imagine living your life and every time you take a step, you know, you might step on a landmine. That's my life. I'm married to a minefield and he doesn't know that he's a minefield. It's just like trust me, Dan, we got this, while cleaning chocolate out of his teeth with his tongue VC's live at our show with Stu gods on ESPN radio last night. Golden State down seventeen at one point in that game one fourteen one eleven they end up winning the game. Steph curry, great, again, Klay Thompson, great again. Draymond green great again. It seems like they're having a lot of fun with that. Kevin durant. Go joe. Yeah. This is starting to get to be the concerning point in the postseason. Where we had finally unlocked, the confident, Kevin Durant that everyone wanted all along, as we just wanted this guy to go and be the best basketball player in the world and act like it, and not keep responding to Twitter trolls, and sliding into kids DM's, and now I feel like we're on the verge of undoing all the good. Why filling the warriors ended our talking about this yesterday or playing kind of dangerous game here meeting? Steph clay Draymond. They look so happy and so relieved not have K D ran and their play such a free flowing form of basketball playing right now. If excess curry stuff brother who was great last night. He said that they're more difficult to gourd when Kevin Durant is out, which is which I find to be very, very interesting. It makes sense, but it's also like you don't get better without Kevin Durant. Like I will refuse to go down that road. I can see it being tougher to guard. The problem is Kevin Durant himself is impossible to guard like Kevin Durant alone. Is too tough to guard because he eliminates everything you can throw at him just by being a seven foot point guard essential. But I, I guess I'm kind of amazing that people are amazed. They're playing this well without Kevin Durant. Yeah. We forget this team what seventy three and nine the year before. Kevin durant. Got there and the governor ads on that team is dream on was the spended a game. They lost that series of the Cavs Draymond called, Kevin Durant's during that offseason at said, hey, you can't beat us. Join us Katie did. But do people forget how good that team was before? Kevin Durant, joined it, it really is. It's like Kevin Durant was like a new like a new XBox that they bought and you forgot how good the sixty four work and you went, and just it off. And then he realized, wait a minute. This is still fantastic. This is an all time gaming console. And that's what they've got here, like they just it off the idea of having a deep bench like Steve Kerr has been much more comfortable going to his bench in the last couple of games. Andrea, Andrea Gonzala Draymond green. Those guys being empowered now to me is the most dangerous part of this is always going to be great. Those other guys starting to unlock what they had is terrifying my defined that part to be interesting about this series that people forgot might you. And Dan, we're calling this the greatest team you had ever seen before. Kevin Durant, joined it. It's another up to, oh, Western Conference finals have people are shocked, this good without Kevin Durant. How could you be shocked at this? Good people were calling the greatest of all time before he joined that team. I. Yeah, but you didn't get Kevin Durant to beat the three seed, Portland Trail Blazers. I think we're overreacting a little bit look ahead a monster comeback last night. I know that the offense look free flowing, but they edged out Seth curry and a terrible Damian Lillard who's been really bad pretty much into hit that shot really disappointing. But I think you really miss Kevin Durant if he's not healthy by the NBA finals because I don't like their chances going up against a Y or Jaanus because those are freaks health freak is in one of their nicknames. Yeah. They are all world defenders they have crazy length. They're going to bother a team like golden safe. They have historically with their length. If you don't have Kevin Durant who could hit a contest jumper over Kowa, or over entered the compound that's going to be a real problem in the finals, Steve. Kerr when they got Kevin Durant said, it's the ultimate luxury to have this even nen have and sprinkled. Kevin Durant on top of this is going off. What Mike was saying what we all hate it about it. And I know you were in this camp Stu gods. Was it felt like it was unfair for a while? It is unfair. But what's happened as a result of that is Yoenis is all these teams in the east, now that the LeBron lead got lifted off becoming better? It really was the rising tide lifts all ship because now we're saying when you go back to that Golden State team that was unfair before Kevin Durant might doesn't think in a lot of people don't think they can beat these teams coming out of the east now. And we wouldn't have dreamed of saying that if you years ago, it's a testament to what they forced the rest of the lead to do, which is get better. I still think they could beat either of those things will beat either of those teams in the NBA finals. But Mike, I understand your point, like, yeah, when you get to those guys genus and y Kevin Durant is someone that you need. But I still feel like they could win a title without Kevin Durant. And they will that they could have probably. Probably without without Kevin Durant. They might be able to get past Toronto. I don't know. We got to see that serious goes, I know Jaanus was talking about and was pretty honest about how much easier it is go through the east without LeBron James. But these conference teams are a lot better than a walkie. Team is better than the Cavs team right now that cab seen that came back from three one. It's a really good team. It's always give given golden say problems. You're gonna want Kevin Durant, because the game's going to get really tight and well defended against either of those seem to come out, I'd rather watch them go about this without Kevin Durant the rest of the way just to see if they could pull it off. Do you think they walk back? I think on the poll warriors, walk Kevin Durant back. Joe? Do you think they do? I think they're hard to guess, because they want to win more than they want anything else. But if they get a chance to do without it. We already see. They're relishing it because they take this personal and they should backers. Yeah. They definitely want him out of here. But another prediction there. Definitely. Gonna sign Seth curry next year as the backup point guard the middle. Middle. See IV Steph curry, Draymond green Clayton. So they're having so much fun reminding the world have good. They are basketball. I wanna say it. I think those three it very private moments. They do not. They say to each other we don't want. K D Beck.

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Best Of (NBA Finals Game 1: Chris Broussard joins, LeBron's challenges, MJ vs. LeBron, Predictions)

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Best Of (NBA Finals Game 1: Chris Broussard joins, LeBron's challenges, MJ vs. LeBron, Predictions)

"Welcome to the undisputed podcast I'm your host Jenny Taft. This podcast is a condensed version of today's episode of undisputed handpicked with the best segments and discussions skip. Shannon, let's go. Ron Makes his ten th finals appearance tonight in pursuit of his fourth ring and the heat are all that remain in his way to the Lakers are favored to win the series and have favorites in the Bron- Anthony Davis Twin Finals Pete Fox Sports, NBA analyst Christopher Sard with us now. So Chris I've got a couple of questions for you who wins a series, how many games and finals MVP. You guys know that I desire spikes so I would love to see a seven game series. I'll even subtle for six whereas tied at two two but come on. With all due respect to Miami. This is a mismatch. Lakers in five and I'm being maybe being generous with the five. So Lakers in five the only times in NBA history we've seen team even remotely comparable to this Miami Team Win The championship was nineteen seventy nine with Seattle remedy gusts, Williams Johnson, Jackson downtown Freddie Brown they beat Washington, right but both those teams were number one seeds. So Seattle had done it all year into the finals a year before we knew they were a good team then old four Detroit, which he builds in those guys in even know none of those guys were superstars Chauncey was a number three pick. We're she was a number four pig Rasheed Wallace. Hamilton was the number seven picks. These were stars in college that we're really expected to have great NBA careers and then in the other locker room. The Lakers we know we're drama central with Colby in shock and Kobe had issues going on in Colorado. So those were all circumstances that contributed to those losses. None of that is here. Okay. So Miami doesn't have that type of talent and the Lakers don't have that type of drama. They got the two best players in the series by mile they've got more experienced by a mile. Their motive just as motivated as Miami. To win it they're bigger by a mile. So I think Lakers in five as far as MVP look I think there is a good chance that his Anthony Davis he was you know Inet Denver series early on, he was looking like the MVP of the series until he forgot how to rebound in the last three games and then Lebron obviously poured it on. But I'M GONNA go with Lebron as to win the MVP because I just think he's going to be. So he's so motivated to get his fourth. Ring is right there in his grasp he knows what this means for his legacy and while yeah, he may have him Pat Riley and all that. He still no remembers that he was told he made the biggest mistake of his career. When he left Miami I'm sure he is going to come out and play tremendous bath I. Think he averages close to a triple double if not triple double, he may average a triple double but I think Brian is being the MVP. Christy. Right. But with the second pick of the draft, a draft with Joe Smith went one she went to stackhouse went three. You remember back when when they all out of the ACC Joe Smith came from Maryland. I got you know what? I want to say by Chris, but I've been saying six and it's been bringing good luck. So I'M GONNA ride with thick I said they're going to beat the Portland six Houston six. Winning and five though I know. But so I gotta keep going with six. So I don't want to the apple cart and I agree with you look the heat of are a very good team they're bare well coached they're mentally tough the great in crunch time and a lot of times these game come down to who can who can execute in crunch situations five minutes game within five points and. The he do a very good job of that. But for me the way ad and the way Lebron is playing and our K- K C P played really well, we got Rondo played well, the last three games Rondo without will game two with outstanding but Rondos been really really good and so with that being said I like the Lakers. I really do I feel that the beginning of the season. They were going to beat the clippers. I wish we had an opportunity to beat the clippers so I so you wouldn't come here and. The. Clippers would've did this the clippers? What does that we could have shut down but we won't get opportunity until next year maybe we'll be right back. We don't know about you guys but I take I won't take the Lakers in six I'm GonNa say Lebron went finals MVP. But only slightly I'd say fifty five, forty, five, percent chance I'm giving idea forty, five percent chance of winning it but I think that the storyline and the narrative Lebron James and you're seventeen. Pool and even if he doesn't win be peace get. I mean it's a Chris is not like we could say where they carry Lebron lead title for first team. All NBA unanimously he finished second in the MVP. boaty. You don't get Kerry if you played that whale and you can't carry because Lebron does the play will they're not going to win I expect him to play exemplary. My turn I would add this skip if I might quickly if this close, you know if both Lebron exceptional and this close Lebron's go get that. Now we all know that because of the narrative. Now, it's my turn. The clippers would have beaten the leg. Say maybe the second to last. Chris Broussard my man Shannon shop across the table is giving the heat two games in a desperate attempt to legitimise Lebron James Finals competition because you cannot legitimise the Miami Heat. I love watching the heat play. I think they're intangibles are stronger than the Lakers intangibles. That's why I love them because they share the ball and they make clutch shots and they love each other and it's fun to watch because they play so hard every play. They're just not good enough when the two best players by far on the court belong to the Lakers. I'm sorry. The tallest heat starter is six foot nine inch. Bam. He's going to have to deal with Dwight and Jovial and not dimension Anthony Davis and he's GonNa his head's going to be spinning because it's too much firepower. It's too much link. That's too much. He's going to get in foul trouble. I'm sorry this is Chris Ed, mismatch visit epic mismatch, and again, the heat a relegated because they're so small to try to play zone the ultimate zone buster to me. Is the point guard for the Lakers name, Lebron Jane he will create cracks in that zone. He will power through cracks in that zone he will get in the lane repeatedly, he'll get Bam in foul trouble he'll get to the free throw line and he will get wide open threes. Danny Green and coups, Ma and playoff Rondo who by the way might be the third best player on the floor because I don't know what got into him he's a thirty two percent career three point shooter and in the bubble where there is no fans, there's no depth perception. Really you're just kinda shooting into the vast opens darkness behind the rim. I don't know he loves it. He's making forty five percent of his threes. It's just too much. It's too good and finally. The motivation is all on the Lakers side because Chris brought it up but Lebron, still has a quiet little bitter chip on her shoulder. He's not gonNA acknowledge it publicly but Pat Riley went after him publicly Pat Riley's infamous quotas smiling faces with hidden agendas. He accused Lebron of going trader on him of leaving him high and dry and going home to Cleveland and I'm. Sure Lebron will be quietly driven by that, and finally the Lakers are not quietly but openly driven by this one's for Kobe and it should be for Kobe. We get it. This is destiny. It's like motivation is all Lakers and Lebron is going to be the MVP. He needs the MVP to say I'm the first one to do it three for three different teams and. I must have. Addition, we'll come back and get. Should award the MVP tonight? He's going to be the MVP Chris Right. The narrative is overpowering -Ly for Lebron, he should should've won the regular season MVP make up call this one. Chris? Difference to remember with Miami, they were able to obviously to shut. down. Wall off the paint Jaanus is in his good of a driver is Lebron? No, he's a straight line driver. He doesn't get to the whole like they're not gonna be able to stop Lebron. From getting to the RIM and they don't have the length. You mentioned skips Bam out of by us a great rim-protector four, six nine. But he's six nine. They don't have a bunch of seven footers that are going to challenge Lebron at the rim. So. Again, I love to see a great competitive series, but this has lakers written all. If you look at the situation is reverse, you mentioned the The Pistons if I'm not mistaken Pistons had been Wallace Rasheed Wallace I'm not mistaken I think elden Campbell was also that team that they can throw shack well, now they have ad they got jail and they got the white how they can throw at. Bam. Well, in actuality heat only have one player that can they can put on all those beads but to Chris's Point Shaq and Kobe. We're at war point. Is Your Team Lebron idea like. Other stepbrothers. So Chris Final quick thought final x factor. Going heat and five just because I love to give him one game just because I love watching them but there's one x factor here in. It's Andrea. Dollar the problem is the X. factor is now thirty six years of age. He's about one year older than Lebron. Very, quietly. IGGY is gone to six straight finals. Good. That's good. Right and Iggy over his career has done. Dare I say the best job anybody has done consistently on Lebron. You can throw those numbers because the still has his way but it is. Forty. Four percent shooting in the playoffs versus his usual fifty-one percent. Okay. So could the problem is iggy don't even start for them. Is he going to play thirty minutes on Lebron and then if you played at the zone, how much actually going to be owning, you'd have to boxer one. Yeah. That's what you'd have to do. But the difference is I. Think you'd have to look if you're if you're looking for reasons that the heat my win, you can say, okay Kim Bam by you. Make it tough on E. can guard a D probably as well as you can guard him right and then Jimmy Butler igwe dollar in Jae crowder that's the trio to throw it Lebron. We know they're not going to stop him but they could probably do as well as anybody in today's NBA on him so I think you're hoping for that. If you're a heat fan and it would look it would dollar told me something when he left Denver and I went to Golden State he's that summaries they look I'm a winner he wasn't bragging but he just said look everywhere I go I win in Philadelphia remember they took the the Big Three Celtics to seven games in the play offs Denver One I think fifty seven games that year he was there and in Golden State and now I mean he goes to Miami and aid somehow get to the finals. IGGY is right. He is a winner, but he's GonNa lose this series I'll tell you that and plus the thing is that what Janas didn't have Janas didn't have an. Greatest Boston, young Taliban, they don't have an. Jalen Brown and Jason Tatum. That's not Lebron and. That's a whole. That's a whole different animal and the question is if the Lakers go big star to White Howard or you're gonNA put Jae crowder onto white Howard and have the white, how would you go stand in front of the real or how you to do this or you're gonna put Bam or you can put Jae crowder on a d. They got the work cut out for but I don't feel real hell. No, we're GONNA happen I suggest to tomorrow if you're not on the show a I, suggest you tune in. They don't tell you don't tell them. They don't tell how come. Nobody. Not New to this is a cakewalk. See you go. You try to he tried to minimize. James has been able to tell them the truth Chris telling the truth why didn't live cakewalk? A ring is a ring. A ring. I look. You know I picked the clippers I was right there which is, but I can't blame the Lakers clippers didn't get it done. Therefore I mean, Hey, the clippers added opportunity the same piece of Kate we had. They don't like cake N-. You're going to be on a different level over the next and he doesn't sleep prepare. Well it's been a unique season four the NBA with the end of the season and entirety of the play offs being played in the Orlando bubble. Lebron said reaching the finals under these circumstances has been the most challenging thing I've ever done however skip as the case repeatedly that this has become Lebron's easiest path shoe a ring. Oh all right. Christmas art is still with US Chris I ask you toughest or easiest. Whenever I'm brought in to argue Lebron versus skip always gotta go Lebron. So I`Ma. Say toughest. Of the bubble first of all, he had to work in. The NBA players did, but you have four months off at thirty, five years of age. Yeah. You can say that gave him the rest of the needed to play really well, but it also could made an older player rusty and so that is a factor. I do believe it was harder for Lebron at thirty five comeback and being a rhythm or get in a rhythm therefore twenty five year older twenty-seven-year-old or twenty, three year old on some of these other teams are even his teammates then you're working out for four months with. No light at the end of the tunnel you don't know if you're coming back to play you're hoping that you convince the season, but you're not sure. So that's the mental challenge. We all know Lebron's of family guy you're there and again I know all the players are like that. But it it was different affects different people, different ways, and I think Lebron wanting to be with this family having to be away from them for two months I think that's part of what he's talking about how it was so tough and he's been saying that from day one and then guys, we saw other players talk about a Jaanus saying look if there's an asterix by this championship, it should be because it's the toughest because this is a unique situation. We all saw what part Paul George said and how it literally depressed him and took away from his game. He had mental challenges because of so all of that not to mention the social justice stuff, we know how important that is to. Lebron, we know he's the face of social justice for not just the NBA. But really along with Colin Kaepernick probably for all of sports he's got his more than a vote. He's been giving you know talking about this every few days it seems then you had the boycott and he's frustrated 'cause there's no plan. So we asked to come up with a plan or he does come up with a plan to get the owners to open up the arena. So he certainly not talking about basketball and I'm sure that's where you go adding skip because we can name I five teams that he had to be. In his past that are better than Denver and Portland and and this Miami team but from an overall standpoint, that's what he was talking about and I do think it was a challenge that was tough for him and it'll be to his credit when he gets through it. Agree with you Chris, and for a lot of the reasons that you mentioned because we've never seen anything like this, the Lakers started training camp on September twenty. Of Twenty, two, thousand, nineteen, that's a year ago and as you mentioned, yes. Okay. The season got interrupted but there was no guarantee that the season was going to continue. So he's working out and he's like a what and you fight all season the reason why? Because they thought they were going to face the clippers also. So you fight tooth and nail the one thing that you will no matter the round is lonely if. It goes seven games I want that and staples that went away, and so now you get teams like the heat that no one envision as get mentioned earlier in the show, they were seventy five to one to win the NBA finals. Wait out seventy five the one that's under hurdle, and here they are because of the circumstances you look at also the mental screen that being in the bubble has taken place it gobble the clippers. It ate them up. We got to the very last minute to come. We get a guy that all of a sudden he wanted to make a wave run old lemon pepper the. Beverly got it. Good. They find out a lot to you. He had to go get those trip had to deal with this situation with his grandmother. I'm sure that took sprain on hill, but it gobble some teams up gobbles some players up. But Lebron James and the legs of state true to form. They been believe there have been one of the. Them in he has been one of the closest teams here and you've seen that was on the floor. So scared. Him being the face of the League dealing with all this happening Kenosha was going on with the Briana Taylor situation and having to deal with that and having to deal with that in a confined area and not being able to go think about what people say how they've opened up. I'm just going I leaving whatever I won't do what I WANNA. Do I don't care what city and state officials say I leaving he didn't have that luxury. He said you know what I've been here for three months. I will stay here for as long take to accomplish the mission. To if he were to pull this off, this would be his from a mental, maybe not physically but from a mental, if balance tells me the thing that he loved most about his apple leaf is meant to. This now, all of a sudden, he liked that he liked physical to oh I, get it. So that was a nice dry Chris Bruce. Aren't even Nicer Shannon, each larvae both are very wrong. This is by far and away Lebron James. Eating a path to a ring and let me start with some quotes that I read this morning in USA Today from Scottie Pippin they were uttered originally to business insider in here they are Scottie. Pippen says of the bubble it's not NBA basketball. It's not the hard grind. It's not the travel it's not the fans it's not the distractions you get to sleep in the same bed every night you don't have to go get on a plane. You don't have a fifty minute or hour bus ride back and forth to the arena you can walk to the arena if you so choose and then let's look at the past. Shall We? Lebron draws thirty, five and thirty, nine, Portland around one I said it would be a sweep in it should've been sweet because in game one, Lebron's got the ball in his hand with a six point lead seven minutes left and they give nineteen, two six run to that team. It was shameful and then they did what they should have done and they said. Boom boom boom. Dame. Got Hurt. It was even worse than I thought it was going to be which led to the rockets I said the rockets will cause the Lakers some problems and I predicted that the rockets would win game one and they did decisively Mr Sharp by fifteen points and then it's tied one all and Mike Dantonio off-day raves about Daniel Houses. Evolution as a player he said he's the most improved player in the league. This is the day before the day after game two and he said he's become one of the better players in the league and he's talking about to wait three. And right schedule Daniel House gets busted and sent home for a quarantine violation and the psychologically the Houston Rockets they went right home with him and they were nothing the rest of the way which led to the clippers and I didn't even need to tell you what happened the clippers. Let's just say this the Lakers dodged the biggest bullet they ever have dodged because they would have lost to the clippers way to go congratulate the basketball God said, let there not be clippers in your path which leads to seventy five to one preseason odds for the Miami to win the championship. Those are the worst preseason odds of any NBA finalist in the last thirty years. Lebron. As Chris Correctly pointed out astutely pointed out this is an epic mismatch. That's easy. Easy easy easy easy congratulations crown him again Fourth Ring David and Goliath was epic mismatch that we saw what happened. Okay. Predicting this is Dave. If you remember also in game one day little hill shot and went dumb, he started dancing Russell Westbrook and game one got an one started dancing Jamaa Moore here's a rainbow three. Started dancing and tell the people that home they were never won another game for that. So just keep talking. One thing before you go Chris. Had the ball in his hands up sixteen nineteen in twelve. Why couldn't he finish that because Kim Betas keep telling me Lebron James had the ball in his hand with a five point lead against against. More, leave we'll give Portland and he couldn't finish one guy had the ball in his hand. Team up fifteen up twelve. I'll get little. Oh, Deborah now there a little. Oh Denver when the Lakers, beat them but now all the sudden they were different it was Magic. They were larger than life Denver with Tokyo bomb clip without as seven. Three one we were called duck job dot lost his job because y Gag Paul George gagged. Always. Whole. Remember what he did. Know Casey. Remote. What it is you remember what he did in Indiana his you give Lebron Vj Mile. You gotTA. Give me that ball back. It that's why he didn't go to the lake of everybody's talking about he didn't WanNa play Lebron He Paul George does it won't that pressure he wants to be complementary he wants to be a second tier star but he knows if you gag allied on Broadway versus gag underline at the YMCA is totally different he's getting unscathed in there but Paul George lay the. Chris and why they're my. Time. Like I said, I can't hold it against the Lakers. Clippers didn't hold up there into the bargain and get there in the Western Conference finals but let's look look Damian Lillard. I. Think is GonNa Be Hall of Famer Yeah. That's one hall of Famer Lebron to take. A HOUSTON TO MVP's yeah. MVP's, and we know to certain hall of Famer. Now skip if I'm not did you did you say that with go seven? No, I said. Six six. Okay. But some people thought it'd be a tough series just because the Lakers. Not can't give Dan Your House that much credit I'm sorry I know he's a nice little role player but if your hopes and dreams were resting on Daniel House some draw, right? Through. To MVP's two hall of Famers, Yokich is going to be all of Famer I. Think I'm currently is saying that leads he gets hurt and who knows what Jamal Murray or Michael Porter Jr. become but I'm just saying this will be the heat is the team that doesn't have the talent that some of these other teams in the West have I know they play hard and I think they're they're legitimate team but basketball wise I get what you're saying I mean come on he's been through her bad boy. ABOY's part to those severe resulting. He's been through the Big Three in Boston. He's been through Golden. State three one down seventy three weeks I get all that from a basketball standpoint. This is not the hardest matchup but with all going on in the bubble and in the world I think that's kind of what he's talking careers I know a guy they couldn't stay on in his hotel room on a nightly basis because he was taken down the Atlantic city. So how the hell he was able to stay in a bubble when he could stay in his hotel room with casino. In, quarantine, he wouldn't have made it. There was no problem. No, that's my point. He Could Hotel Lane. The bobble in what happened in the final what happened would happen the files six times he was. About, this the it's over about the yeah, we got to see. Do this three times at three different ways I. That's all you want. Done deal. Round him? No, it's not. It's do soon. Chris we appreciate there's going to be a wild ride. The next couple days I'm ready for it. Starts Saturday strong as senior quarterback Sam Etlinger leave the ninth ranked Texas longhorns against Tcu it. All starts with the big noon kickoff pregame show at ten am eastern part of big news Saturday on Fox and Fox sports. Is. Just the fourth player to reach ten NBA finals a win would only make him four and six overall in those appearances. Lebron was always criticized for having a cakewalk in the east but has always faced today's elite talent in the finals and remember Michael Jordan Rolling reach the final six times but was a perfect six in those series and faced his share of hall of famers along the way. Shannon who's the tougher playoff competition Lebron or I'm Jay. It's not even close. It's not even it's not even close. been a blow you out the water with this I'm waiting I've been waiting by waiting for years to get this. Okay Lebron is lost in the finals to two teams that had four hall of famers. He lost the Spurs. The Spurs had Tim Duncan Mono, Tony Parker kuwa-. We all agree that they're going to the hall of Famer and I'm correct. Okay. Thank you very time out. Almost everybody goes to the hall. Okay okay. What do you call the Spurs? Broccoli with little to no respect them I don't like the. Style of play I just love that. Understand that okay. The Golden State Warriors Steph Curry Katie Clay. Draymond. I feel comfortable. Saying all four of those guys are going to the basketball hall of fame and when you look at his guilt with the exception of Magic Johnson Magic Johnson is the only guy that's comparable when it's all said and done I mean. So who other than magic when he's done that the Jordan be in the finals that will be better than K. D. that would. Be Better Than Tim Duncan that would be better than Steph curry because those three guys that beat Lebron now he beat Magic Johnson but magic with thirty one watt mel ancient hold on but you do realize magic nine finals in twelve years. So can you imagine the war that he had gone through with the bad boy Pistons and the Big Three in the Big Celtics who Laura's thirty five I'm just saying all just a second. Just a second. Okay. If you look at all of men was so tough. He had a battle, the Knicks the Knicks had one hall of Famer He's having to battle the Big Three. Celtic is Paul Pierce going to the hall of fame is kindergarten. They're go into the hall of fame is rail and going to the hall of fame. A simple simple years regime Rondo has an outside chance. He gets this title he's going to be in contention bath what he had to go through. Okay. Did you say Walter? He man he had the better though talk he the Pat Riley. Hall of Famer Lonzo Morning. What he had to go through. Who has the two Oh got any other patients? Pays the David Moore that Reggie Miller and Chris Mullin. Really scared when you look at this and you look at Lebron's of work now had Jordan beat the big three failed. Who've you got? beat the a the early Celtics with Moses Malone Dr J. Bobby Jones Call Dir skill. You got me I got nothing for you scared. He couldn't get past the bucks within the Moncrieff one hall of Famer took him out. He started beating the big. You would never beat the Victory Celtics he's started getting past the bad boy pistons the original once they got old you know that I know that. So when you boil it down and you look at what Lebron has faced in the finals and you look at what he's had to face to get, there is not even close you look at the guys that he be. He'd be Portland Portland had one hall of Famer. He beat the supersonics with one hall of Famer Lebron, Dave of metal phase, the team would lead to. The loss to the mavericks dark a Jason. Hall of fame normally is anywhere between two and four. Michael Beaten guys would want hall of fame McLeod, Drexel important. One in saying supersonic with a Gary Payton. Komo skip. This is not even close. My guys had the tougher Pan Four Hall of fame with India Fry. Do it. Might turn for the question. Nine hundred and ninety one Michael Jordan's first path to a ring just might have been the toughest path in the history of the NBA because it started with Patrick. Ewing Knicks, and this was a different era. This is football basketball and these guys were loaded with tough football style basketball players, Patrick Mark. Jackson. Charles. Oakley John starks. It is tough. Fistfight your way through that team and that was just the first round. Then it was Charles Barkley sixers in the second rounds, Charles. Any good. Hall of fame. Then the bad boy Pistons who had just put Michael through the ringer, but he had gone to the weight room finally. Thanks to the Great Tim Grover and he said, okay now I'm going to I know how to do this now. They've got their Jordan rules. They're going to try to knock me on my but every time, but I'm going to beat them at their own game. I'm going to be even more physical than they are and he swept team featuring isiah Thomas Joe Dumars Bill Laimbeer, and Dennis Rodman. He swept them in the conference finals, which led to is this. Any good? Is this a challenge magic? Johnson who I ranked the second greatest player of Airtime Magic Johnson, James Worthy, Byron Scott, and Sam Perkins not to mention Vlada who was an underrated center because he was. So Cagey Wiley and such a shrewd. Operator it wasn't quite Korean, but they were still potent and they were still lethal and he blew through all of them. They lost game one at home to those Lakers, and then they went boom boom boom four in a row. It's as rocky and tough road as anybody has ever faced, and that was just for the I ring and they had to fight through those same Knicks Four Different Times Patrick Ewing they would add pieces more football basketball players like Anthony Mason and he had to fight them in the second round the next time and ninety two then in. Prince Finals in ninety-three. Ewing Anthony Mason Charles Oakley Doc rivers was on that too. You don't talk about mentally and physically tough. To get to the championship, I told you the east was the beast all to Jordan's days. The hard part was just getting through the eastern getting to the finals. Then I'll give you some of the finals because the second violence against Clyde. He did finish second in MVP boating to Michael Jordan, and he did have Terry Porter who was a two time all star who was pretty good but I'll give you that one for Michael. that. Was Pretty it was four to two. They did win a couple of games. But then ninety three this piece of cake in the files because this was the Phoenix Suns who had dominated the western conference that year and it was guess who the MVP was in one, thousand, nine hundred. Can you help me with this? How about Charles Barkley was the MVP. So you're facing him on the Phoenix Suns along with four time all star and Tom Chambers three time all star in Kevin Johnson I don't even know if he's in the hall of fame, but he could be but he and another. Three time all star and Thunder Dan. Marley and Kurt Rambis was doing windows for that team all the dirty work that was a basketball team that was not easy and then they had to vanquish once more. The ewing team wants more nine, hundred, ninety six when he came back the second time but look who they had to get through Tim Hardaway and Alonzo Mourning. Why isn't Tim Hardaway in the Hall of fame? I don't know because he's a hall of Famer to me SEC around was ewing and company the football team. The third round is this any good they swept his team Shack Penny and grant is that good? That's Plyer power man. They swept in that team went sixty and twenty two in the regular season and Jordan just took them out and four games which led to probably the easiest round of all which was Gary Payton and company Shawn, Kemp and company in the NBA finals that team went sixty, four and eighteen in the western conference that year that's how good that team. So nine, hundred, Ninety, seven, you know what happened they have to keep running through the Miami Heat which just got better and better because they kept adding more players but they got to the finals and twice in a row they had to be Carl Malone is he all of Famer? I'd say. Stockton, he is the second all time leading scorer in the League he's still scored more points than Lebron has so far. Is that any good? Yes. How about John Stockton? He is still the all time assist leader right? He was a ten time. All Star he led the League in steals twice he was a dominating point guard on both ends of the floor. So you had to overcome Malone and Stockton and trust me I was there it was not easy and that was back to back years, and then you mentioned that conference final and nineteen. Ninety. Eight who is that team coach by by the way? Larry Joe Berg it his first year coach who is the coach of the year that year it was Larry Joe Bird because he was outstanding and I was there for all seven of those games and trust me it was flat out basketball war. It was Reggie Miller. It was Chris. Mole and it was Rick Smits who's like seven foot two and it was the Davis brothers if you. will quote unquote and Antonio in Dale and mark. Jackson plane a lot of point guard for that team along with Travis. Best. That was a basketball team that could play basketball or football. However, you wanted to play it. It went to the last drop in game seven at the United Center and finally Batman took over. Once again, he saw the light sky and you said I got you this. Joran beat Magic Mailman Barclay Drexler Peyton. Steph Curry Katie Tim Duncan. Winner. Those limits your question other than magic who's going for? K.. D. Who's going in front of Tim Duncan who going in front of Steph curry of Mailman Barclay. Dreadfully Gary Payton Okay you got me on Kevin Durant because he's just better than Lebron. James He's the best player on the planet. Once he went to golden state it was over. What is your guys? Not as good guy in back to back game threes in his palace coup, he could not cope director Kevin Durant. MVP even though Lebron, James in that game three, half forty, three, forty, two, twenty, nine, I want to know what player of the guy that he'd be Mailman Barclay direct what Peyton better him. Dunkin. Well. A. But I named you about fifty is who right in the same ballpark. Who Partly Tim Doug another magic look at your East it's the biggest cakewalk in lebrons day especially once he joined the You you got George, Paul's Pacers three times. You Got Damara Rosen's baby dinosaurs three times you've got to take them out without. With. He Hits a cake what I'm sorry he it's not the he. Did He. The turning point Lebron's career came in two, thousand, fifteen before they had Kevin, durant in Oakland and the Golden State Warriors Ward. Sure who they were yet because Steph always came up a little smaller than he was in the playoffs and what happened in Games. One, two and three Lebron averaged four, one, twelve and eight. I've never see. I told you. It was the greatest three-game stretch of Lebron's career and game for your two games to one in your house and what happened Lebron upset. He shot seven of twenty two from the field and he went one of four from three and five or ten from the line and Iggy took him in basically took him out. Okay. How about this? That would have been the moment you could have entered the NJ. That night. If you beat Golden State if you had them down again, you had lost Kevin love before the files started you lost Kyri in overtime of game one that would be achievement but instead you once again lost game or five and six just as you head against Boston in Dallas in the fine Gael or five and six five and I'm going to give you an opportunity. Okay I'M GONNA. Say You got Magic Mailman Barkley Drexler Peyton and I'm GonNa Take Steph Curry K. D. Tim Duncan Kuwa- and Klay Thompson who you think when game. Or those other guys are tough. I. The is going up against Steph Curry Klay. Kennedy. Tim. Duncan you everybody he knew was regarded as a great power forward him he got wiped out by all of. Guy You wiped out. Why he kept getting to eight in a row because the east was the least. You're not getting. Jordan had to fight do these Lebron cakewalk. Case Clo-, he's by through Eastwood with the Knicks One Hall of Famer. He finds through the heat one, hundred, code you. Know you. Think about it if. You. lost. This here. Everybody gets into the Basketball Hall of fame. Only one only one he player only one knick player only does he not belonging all out what? No? Yup sure but he's not there until league is there you have a more compelling argument. Is My guy had to row my guy. He's three and six, the five, hundred m over my guys six now. y'All Libido which. Google put that together they of Katie, ducking. Klay. Thompson versus Magic Mailman Barkley drink. Making of game one tonight, we're just about nine hours away from laker saint tip and off. The NBA finals and we're gonNA jump right into that one Shannon, what is the scored night and how many will abroad and eighty? How I'M GONNA say the Lakers win by eight I must say they've been getting around one, Fourteen fifteen. So I'm to say they score one, sixteen, one, one, sixteen to one away when they combined for. Their nineteen and one that's the number of their need to try to reach and I don't care who gets it is the thirty, five, thirty, five, twenty, five, thirty, three, twenty, seven. It doesn't matter I expect the Laker to come out folks understand the task at hand get the job done tonight by eight. Your little low on that. This would be Lakers big I got Lakers one fifteen to one hundred choice I got Lebron triple double. By the way I got Miami shooting five of twenty-seven from three because the RIMS GonNa look real small tonight I got Lebron Thirty to twelve and twelve and eighty will chip in with twenty eight. This win the parade starts tonight be there for my guy. You know what would decide you don't want us to win the title I. Know You don't want that to happen because so many people pick the with they just clever. Got This. They got it but they had the. Opportunity Nope they would. They would have beaten the Lakers they were looking ahead to the Lakers. So it's now yours the world belongs to you the one thing that we could do we survive in the fishbowl you guys cracked the pressure in that circumstance. That's why you got your team congratulations. We're going to be back with all reactions tomorrow same time. undisputed.

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LeBron running the Lakers, Celtics crush Warriors, Jim Jackson on NBA, JaVale McGee interview

In The Zone with Chris Broussard

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LeBron running the Lakers, Celtics crush Warriors, Jim Jackson on NBA, JaVale McGee interview

"The. I get everybody say well magic never missed the playoffs. Imagine no play with less than three hall of Famer bird. Never missed the playoffs. He never played with and four hall of fame. But I was against in trading for Bradley Beal during the season. He's an excellent player because it would have prevented them from having maximum cap space this summer because his difficult. It's a mental drain to play these regular season games. When you know, it's all about may, and June, Chris Broussard here and welcome to the brand new hoops on FOX podcast, this podcast will give you your daily dose of all things NBA from Fox Sports, including the best content from skipping shanty, Nick. Right. Plus special guests fresh NBA concept for myself post game interviews from NBA stars around the league and much much more. Don't forget to subscribe and leave a five star reviews first crispy sore joins Nick and see to explain who's really in control of the Lakers star. This warriors team has a number of nights. Like they had last night. Maybe not as bad, and we just keep saying, okay? They had fine. It's the warriors the fine. No worries are fine. But I don't know Steve curry made a few comments there that they have a couple of things that they do need to address and they do need to correct. Are you buying that? The warriors have actual flaws on this is funny because Steph you saw that underlying smile spur. He's not he's not too concerned adults. I'm not concerned. There's still a heavy favourite my pick. It is a reason only three teams have three it in the last fifty two years. Jordan's bulls twice and Koby Lakers because his difficult. It's a mental drain to play these regular season games. When you know, it's all about may and ju- even June for you. And there's a reason no team's been to street finals. Right. Russell celtics. Lebron went to eight straight, but we got different teams different teams. So we were talking about Steph clay, Draymond Iggy. Try Durant's new those four guys trying to do this fifth straight hundred gains. He's out if you. Oh, look at Jordan's bulls. The to three peat it the third season their regular season record was always the worst. So it happens that said they do have are some concerns. I have about this team. I think this is the most vulnerable they've been since. Kevin Durant got there. And here's a few things boogie now when you look at the markets because the eye test he's running the floor. He shared the ball. He's moving. Okay. For him. It looks fine with the eye test. And when you look at the convention numbers, fifteen points, eight rebounds, a team high in twenty five minutes, you think okay boogies fitting in you look deeper into the numbers, the -fensive -ly when boogie is on the floor. They are one of the worst teams in the league their defensive rating is like one oh seven point seven that's mediocre when he's I'm sorry. One eight which is even worse. Right. When he's not on the Florida defensive rating this better offense when he's not on the floor. They play at his. Stork level offense. And when he's there they're more like a mediocre team. Their net rating is nine points better. When he's off the fan. It goes deeper than that. So when they're all in BA lineups out there all starving. They are clay, Katie. Steph boogie and Draymond they have negative net rating. They're being outscored by their opponents when those five or out there when the four are out there without without boogie. They're beaten opponents by twelve points for one hundred possessions that the prob that's going to have to make the tough decision because you know, they see it. You know, they have these numbers before boogie got there you Steph was the only weakling defensively and teams try to target him. Get him in pick and roll, but you could protecting. Now, you have two guys you can go at if you're an offense in boogie and Steph, and that's made them vulnerable. The one thing that was a calming force for me. The guy doing interview man, right? I mean, I've been I've been watching guys complain making excuses, man. I hate this, man. The media y'all did this to me Steph curry bre, he's the common force to in the NBA right now. Katie is unstoppable. Here's a match up nightmare. But Steph curry sat there like a grown man in his uniform leader. Yes, the way you want your leader to build able to because ultimately he can't make excuses, and he said it, and he's last thing we're gonna have to show some people because this is new to them to have in booking. Now. These guys have made all these sacrifices sacrifices and sacrifices. Nick, you mentioned something to me last season. When they were when everybody was upset about boogie signing with the Golden State. He's like they can't get better offense. Right. It's impossible. They they had the greatest offense an MBA history last year. So like you at some point. Can't you reach a point of diminishing returns? Like your offense is not going to be more efficient. So this was the reason that the boogie acquisition in my eyes was a good one for them in a no brainer was it removed. The injury component to a degree last year when they went through this late season swoon. It was because staff was out. There was time when Katie Katie missed a little bit of time claiming them, and if you if during playoff series, you're missing one of those guys will now then all of a sudden fear. Right. Well last year we sat down and talk. And we said, okay. How are they going to not three peat, right? Like, what would have to happen in the NBA in mix? That's like an insurance and as an insurance policy, it might be a good one. But as an insurance policy that you're having to actively use when you don't actually need it yet. You're seeing the negative aspects of it. And so like that is because the point that was made to me that we talked about was if the offense can't get better. And he's not gonna help your. Offense. Then how does he make you better? It's not like he is some calming locker room force. But this isn't I think your point on Steph is a very important one because we didn't play it. But katy's post game interview couldn't have been more different. Katie. The media asked him about a curse that we gotta play with more anger. And Katie like, I thought we were based on joy to car's been saying that all right and. And Katie is irritable. You know what I mean? Katie didn't play. Well, they were without clay didn't have a good game. And but the other concern for me. It's boogie notwithstanding last year, people are gonna say, okay. Last year, they ripped off ten of eleven and then they went on three and seven stretch. But Steph wasn't there. We haven't seen this team not play well with Steph on the court. They won sixteen of seventeen since then they're three and five and been playing like the invincible part of this team for four plus years has been do we have Steph? Do we not have stuff? They won games without Durant. I understand Klay what? Now their last night in hurt they're shooting and it really hurt their defense. But it's odd to see them struggle when steps been health. If does one thing that if I was to say, I would be concerned about best home record. I mean, they're home record is not like any other team that we've seen right now. I think there's nine other teams in the league that have at least the same home record is them are a better home record than them, and they have been dominant or co it's been a special place and this. Being the last year that they're going to play there that would be something that I would be more concerned about the number of losses. They have at home the other thing with with you mentioned. Steph staff is like their Tim Duncan. I've been saying it's a year. Okay. Says this this run began with them different personalities, but Duncan set the tone in the whole organization. So when you came into the Spurs everybody bought in because Duncan set that tone. It's the same thing with Steph. He brings that like Kerr talks about the joy, Steph even know Draymond been nesper 'rational leader, I guess and all that Steph has set the tone for that whole franchise and Draymond is interesting too. Because we know he's always been one of the best defenders since this run began his defense has steadily declined since twenty fifteen and now it's at an all time low for him. He's still a good defender. But he's not. Injuring his body is starting to break down, which is a big concern for them when it comes round tracked stuff. He just signed with clutch. And I'm not saying because he wants to go play with LeBron. That's why I think it's because they will hold you to hire. And if he was in my mind, I know quite won a couple of defensive player of the year Ward's. I think during a three year stretch where he should won all three dream on was the best defender in the league bar. None. When he is just a very good defender, then his value proposition changes enormously because his shootings at an all time low because of these other these other potential issues now Stephen Jackson sits with skipping Shane to explain. Why LeBron missing the playoffs doesn't orange his legacy? You. I I would missing the playoffs affect LeBron's legacy. At all to me mean. No, I love how we do everything we possibly can to excuse your not making the playoffs in his final two year. And I get everybody say well. Magic never missed the playoffs. Magic never play with less than three hall of Famer bird. Never missed the playoffs. He never played with less than four hall of famers, tell tell me to got on the Ross currently that's going to be all MBA moving forward. Tim and got us on the roster right now, there's going to be in the hall of fame, and I'll just wait. That may not look I get a witch roster. Oh the Lakers right now. Right now, Rondo run. Yeah. You see some people doesn't hall of deserve. When those guys will play with those kids who knows what they might do. They might take off questions early. What can I do? Where would you rate? Corinne, what what you re remove? Okay. Temporary to me give me a little gift play who he played with magic. So you could understand what it would make James worthy is the of fame. What about math do? What about the kale parish Johnson made Archibald? He'll come owes give maybe you ought to be ashamed. You'll say you say. We're getting. Name one player Michael played with at Washington. Not gonna able Coty Pippi and did his Robert, you know, Dennis Rodman led the league rebound all three years. He was in Chicago on your point is the point is he had hall of famers and didn't have a hall of fame against way was he was thirty eight and thirty nine he'd been off for three years he'd been gone from even. Even even at that age. He's still wasn't a you're fifteen that will your thirteen year folk team LeBron James the year sixteen as straight finals on his resume sprinkle in a couple of lympics. And here we are giving you. Twitter seven eight name. I'm glad yawn because those are roll out of bed now. Lebron right? What he does. He just rolled yawns and rolls out of bed. And he goes twenty seven eight am I surprised they're not in the playoffs? I thought the Lakers would be better. I really thought the Lakers would be better. But then the injury Boyle started it hit him hit Rondo here. Lonzo in Cooma and Ingram. Stevenson, and Dan. Oh, come up. But we look at that. This is not a really good team. Not a good team at all. And I know people shouldn't be of said today to make the playoffs. I mean, I think if anybody had a rude awakening is LeBron because everybody will tell them the Western Conference is different monster. Now experience is the best teacher saying, it's different. But at the same time guys that Noda game, we knew it was a possibility that they'll be in this situation, you know, with the young team they have, but I'm gonna say this, and I'm gonna leave it alone. Keep that same energy because the legs won't be the same nation guiding. So does it taint his legacy that he missed? Well, obviously Kobe did miss the playoffs the year after shack was run out of town by Koby. Right. So let's look at Kobe's teammates in that year. They missed the playoffs. They went thirty four and forty eight good, right? Caramba Butler was the second score. Lamar Odom was on that team. Third score. You remember the immortal Chucky Atkins? Chris meme Jemaine Jones, Devon, George. That's what you got to work with. Not a great team a team that I would've looked at before the year and said, I don't know that's in the wet play hard. I'm not sure about that. Didn't they bounce back? And they did make the ploughs the next two years, but they went out quickly and Unser Omonia Slee to the Phoenix Suns in the first round. Call me in the first round he had one pout game where he just would shoot the ball people were all over Amy show. We said today if that he had a lot in common with Michael Jordan, Joel around they went out of her around win Obama victim big three while get them out. Are you talking about the guy who went six and on the files with six MVP's can't be he came up talking about by the one that the bad boy pistons? The head crying. He got a migration want to see robbing only turn down your lights. What God said turn the lights off this? You talk about that. How to bam boy. Pistol put them over his need for three year. Well, not come back next year with a little more power. What what what interesting did happen? You would cover the team. I want to get let's tell the truth now. So the way this taints LeBron's legs. Is it just completely undercuts disqualifies your argument that he's greater than Michael Jordan? And that's all it does because at age thirty four which is LeBron's age right now, Michael Jordan, one another scoring title and was first team all defense at age thirty four, and obviously they went onto win another championship their sixth and another finals MVP is sixth. Skip. Here's the thing. Thirty four thirty four. Here's the thing. He Michael, Jordan Scottie Pippen, led the team in a cyst, although Hughes someone has led the team in rebounding. Although here's Jordan have to worry about all these other things than the brand did. But I still want to know why Washington he went to the wizards. Why does that not have an impact on his legacy? He was Dale Michael, Jordan. That's what he to go. Now to go supposed to drag anything goes anything. So why couldn't he get it? But it's all Bighorn sheep. What would he be doing? Thinking about hold on. You keep telling me when he was in Washington that was your thirteen fourteen LeBron James in your sixteen. Lebron James you thirteen. Age thirty eight and thirty nine in do anything. But what what what player does the face of the Li when MVP Andy Clinton? But that's the do San look, right? Dan, should've won the deep. What should have one? You. Gotta play any. Do you? Learn the song wanted, you know, lebrons. Got that award stats. Did LeBron not bring this year upon himself because we still hear that. He was the one who wanted playmakers not shooters broad broad on his mind. Okay. Was out of his mind. He gives them the Rondo give him a lay. Oh who else can make place? If you look at the brawn James LeBron James is really played with to pay playmakers. That's carry urban and Dwayne Wade in even when you had those guys what was he surrounded with shooters. Right. So now, you will fifteen too much. You don't won't you won't playmaker. What will wear workplace me? So I don't know. They told me wanna play makers. Yeah. Mike Lees in China. I think right. I talked them yesterday. All right. Yeah. He's doing good shot. Michael beasley. Skip. So a year ago not even a year ago, but in the off season LeBron had chances he could have gone to Philly and join forces with that team great things would happen. He could've gone to Houston. Join forces of that team. Great things would happen. He joined forces with Hollywood he wanted Hollywood. And he got Hollywood. And I was shocked the day it happened. Because I said he's going to do this without a bona fide co-star like a second Suroor like really you're going to do that. Well, I guess he's going to do that. And then he brought some of this on himself because obviously at the trade deadline, he enriched Paul attempted to power play their way into Anthony Davis, and they were willing to trade all the kids all clean out the locker room all the kids, and it just detonated that locker room. It never they can. They can handle it. Following javale McGee joins Christine Lahey to break down his unique journey in becoming an NBA champion. Fair game, I'm Christine Lahey. And my guess today was a two time NBA champion with the Golden State Warriors. And it's partly responsible for bringing back the fanny pack from the Los Angeles. Lakers Jovanovski is here. I gotta say I am shocked that you're not wearing a fanny pack. I don't know that I've seen you off the court without one one is that you love so much about fanny pack. Fannie lifting the car. Okay. You want to get it or? Okay. There's a lot of father and son duos that have played in the NBA, the berries, the Curry's the Waltons. You are the first NBA player whose mother played in the WNBA. And I love your story because I have this image of you in a bassinet always surrounded by WNBA players with your mom. Do you still have lots of memories of those times when you're growing up like that? Of of course, I don't have the memories of being destroyed or any anybody goes back that far, but I do have memories of when my mother was plan Falaise, Sacramento. She was coaching Detroit shot. Being threatened by a bunch of female basketball players. Person that wasn't surrounded by by slow player. So as a person who was I just thought that was normal ever play one on one with around but used to when I was younger. I couldn't beat her until I was like fourteen. You haven't just in your genes. Right. This basketball. And there's a story that your mom. She was in her early twenty s when she got pregnant with you and she actually had an appointment because she wasn't sure if she was going to go through with the pregnancy. Your dad was in the picture, and then she heard a pastor speak, and she cancelled it, and then came you once she tell you about that decision in what she heard that day. She used to lose in heaven that I was supposed to be born. And she told me a story how I was like born with a basketball in my hand. But like it was like a ball in my hand when I was born playing I don't know this stuff that's in a woman's dummy. One they're going to babies born. But I was just like you. Okay. But it might be true horror. She might just be making it up to make it sound good. But as my mother, I love her. You're hearing that crazy story was like it was like I didn't hear it was like oh man must be destined to play basketball. I didn't take it like that. I was just like, oh, that's a cool story. But now that I'm older, I'm like, wow. And I'm actually in BA actually, doing great things and NBA it's kind of a cool story now. But when when I heard it wasn't really interested in the best piece of advice. She's ever given. You always told me it doesn't matter if you lose wind fail or whatever as long as in end of you were like try my hardest like I worked harder. So I was in gym. I was in the way room. I was working hard. You're so you can't be mad at yourself. I lease. It would just wasn't meant to be. But if it happens, and you worked hard, even more satisfying. Also, try to stay really involved in your community Iran, the shark for it right now from Flint, Michigan, first of all how crazy that they're still having a water crisis. Extremely crazy. And it's just crazy to the Americas worried about the things right now. And there's literally. City in Michigan that doesn't have access to clean water. Like, it's there were country angry. So how did you come about jug life? And why was it so important to you so started life as basically just a hashtag trying to influence people? Drink more water. These like eighty eighty something percent of people in America. Don't get enough water that they actually need every day and. Obviously Flemish into have access to clean water. So that even the crazy statistic if you think about it just because we're in America like the richest country in the world. But I'll started just trying to get people to drink water. Started posing Instagram you drinking a gallon the day people started doing back, and then my my business partner kid Serie, his uncle is philanthropist, but he travels around the world and just does like missions. So he goes to the Philippines helps out by. So he was in Uganda. And he contacted cares. And it was like there's opportunity to be a water wells out here because they have no access to clean water is those a couple of schools students who are HIV faked it, and they the villages weren't letting them come to their water source just because they were afraid I guess so we found that between over like, this is a great opportunity to help. And then that's what started the foundation part of jug life, and we've been doing it ever since in the past years. I actually got to go to Uganda and see the natural water sources. They were drinking out of which were cloudy white with infections and things like that they wash up in their animals use the bathroom in there guys cleaning their bikes, and they're like is and then kids come with twenty gallon jugs and fill fill out the dirty water and bring it to the villages, basically, spring Z's. So just being able to help out with that was definitely one of the best things. I feel feel like I've done. Glue mess will. So did you get it? You are. Now was not always who you were. When you first started in the league basketball ways, we struggled a bit in the beginning. And the media criticized you quite a bit how much did that affect you? Feel like it didn't affect me. I is justified me started to me win jeans, and NBA coaches start to believe that things that the media or even like social media was portraying me to be. So what was the worst thing that you were hearing that was set about you things? Like, I'm dumb a bad basketball player low. I q idiot is a lot of things that, but I'm not the person is like reading communist. Oh my God. I can't believe this because I really don't care. It's win GM or owner routine starts thinking that. And they're like, no, we don't want to sign them because that's now affecting my livelihood and how pay my bills and how he my family. So that's when I was just like is last drawl. I I don't 'cause I'm not really the person who's going back on people on Twitter because those people I don't know never meet. When did you do? I mean, it was definitely just lowlights being shown on TV. But it came to the point where I was like missing layup. And like, oh my goodness. This is on the show now. Now, just like coma. Everybody misses the layup. Like, but contested layer like come on man, and I had to do had to do. And then it was cancelled in never was on a certain show again talking about shack. But it's not really a something to resolve. I mean, he's in his word. I'm Mon we're so not really been. However, the beef like when I see you as smoke type stuff. So. Finally, crispy Sar joins making CC again to break down the Celtics crucial win over the warriors. Lakers. Lebron too much control when putting this team together. Saying this all year that LeBron when they met with magic. Lebron was talking about what he wants to be surrounded by. I I think we have to understand magic magic had allowed to say with the Lakers. He was had a really great relationship with the owner Jerry Buss it sorta point where some of his teammates were little leery of like he was. Thought he was magic when play. Yeah. You had a great relationship. We know he got Paul with hand five story about that. Is that when somebody close to late Jerry Buss came to him and said when we got a huge problem right magic. Magic said he doesn't like the coach and the late Jerry Buss said what's not a big problem at all get rid of the fire. The fire. Reilly's there and Showtime begins but go, but that that's magic. Okay. So, and I think superstar should have some say, so I don't mind sitting there listening to LeBron. And I get where LeBron was coming from. Okay. We tried to out shoot the warriors in Cleveland. We couldn't okay. When we beat them in twenty sixteen. We had an even challenged them pretty well in twenty fifteen without kyri. And Kevin love we had right? We had tough gritty defenders. We like you say we've mucked it up. We need some playmakers to I want some other guys that can make plays with me. So magic should've taken that into consideration. And okay, we'll go get a few of those guys, but also get some shooting, they're not mutually exclusive. And that's the thing. He didn't do I would love for them to keep brook Lopez. Well, now that looks like a disaster, my guy, can you imagine how I mean they tried to get brook. Lopez light in Moscow. And he's really light. All we saw Channing Frye and the last day legs of his career be good with LeBron a stretch five brook Lopez this year. Now, he wasn't as good of a shooter last now this year, really they sure with Milwaukee, it's opened up something entirely, and Brooke Lopez's was cheap. Right. Three million bucks. Here's here's the thing to be fair on all sides of it. I clearly had underestimated how much influence LeBron had on the roster because I've been told very specifically, and I still believe, and I I almost know it to be true. Lebron did not present them here. The names to get what he did say is now been reported repeatedly by you Ramona show where another's is the archetype of player. They then came up with a list of guys they think they could get that fit that archetype and LeBron signed on. And there was only so many guys available. That's the other element. It was a great, right, right? Cheaply on one year deals, this Laker team would look very different if they weren't adamant about keeping max cap space, but I was against them trading for Bradley Beal during the season. He's an excellent player because it would have prevented them from having maximum cap space this summer. So when you are building a team that is not really for this year. It's to keep flexibility for next year. They're going to be some limitations. They still everyone could have done a better job. And you recognize Beasley isn't a playmaker. He's not not a lot bright. Everyone could have done a better job. The only thing that's really should be dispute. Here is the choice of words. Did they give LeBron too much control? Because I believe that's the wrong word, they asked LeBron they made suggestions to LeBron's. As far. Would you thing as long as you've been playing in this league? Matter of fact, we haven't been to the playoffs in five years. Right. So I mean what we're doing? It was like Nick Sabin. He told me when he got hired university Alabama. He talked to. Who the president? And the president told him what kind of football team won on the field. And Nick save and said, I was I was more than cordial. I allowed him to explain to me what kind of team he won't. And then I went on to tell him that I was making all the decisions and the team that he at one had gotten smashed. They had taken the roll out of the tide. He planned on bringing the rollback to the tide. So in doing that, I can understand he's been h straight finals. Why wouldn't you ask I'm sitting outside on your own in on the street waiting for free agency sitting in my car? What do you think once the agrees to come? What else you gonna talk to him about what style you wanna play? Right. I mean, what what else are you going to talk about what kind of players man, who do you like, what do you think is? Underrated. Who are you familiar with who are you comfortable with and the list? It was presented to him was not a great list. So any superstar we have seen it through the history of time. They always get blamed if the coach gets fired they get part of the blame. That's all part of being the superstar in MBA. But I believe that they went about it the right way. They would just magic wasn't right. And LeBron wasn't right. But also LeBron hasn't been the best at evaluating talent seemingly knee. We wanted to Wayne Wade there because they were friends. It didn't quite work out. We heard the rumors that he wanted criminal Anthony that really wasn't going to work out. He doesn't have the best judgment in valuate in town. Whether we even have play makers or shooters saw wants you to make a list of guys who have been exception with the NBA in. They are good at talent evaluators because it's a small sheet of. That it might stop him. Because L says it's troubling for a long time. But he wasn't right at it tonight. I mean, Jordan hasn't been good at it. Magic hasn't been good at it. The Kobe's not into the business. So we don't know. I listen I listen to Jackson's early. I mean, it's one one or two years. So maybe it's not yet magic Jordan, and the, but it is Jerry West see is that is of all time great place for the have those expectations from place. Now, we should be able to take the knowledge that they do have because I know Shaquille O'Neal when he was a teammate with LeBron. I was invited in Cleveland to a practice into a game. And I sat there in the stands like shack. Gimme some. Men to do. Everything every play never seen my LA. I mean, that's Shaquille O'Neal at a very young age. So LeBron we have to give them credit for we is. But in doing this and putting this team together this. It was limited who they could get this end the players they got we're not it just didn't work on. This is a theme across sports. Sometimes we we off the air when we're talking about people to potentially bring on the show. It's like very recently retired football players, and we usually people, you know, better than we know right because either relationships with them and more often than not your responses, and a lot of these guys men that what are they going to talk about because they don't know the league the way we think they would know the league like guys that are contemporary players. Even if you know what's going on in the league the ability to evaluate who's good who's not versus who played well against you versus who had moments again, you lay as opposed to this way when you're in. In the lead plane, and that gender point which is why for the Lakers, and this is in the conversation. I had yesterday with a Western Conference executive his not concerned. He's actually happy about this part of it is that the Lakers don't have the what I would call the the non basketball smart guy. They don't have someone in the room in a real position of power that can say all right? Here's actually what the metrics say. Here's what no matter what you think about land. Stevenson's be an irritant and Thomas his team over the last few years has been worse with him on the court van off the court except for this year in Indiana. Like there there's an element of magic Pelinka kind of fit the same role like magic and Pelinka or both the relationship side of the GM business, right? Like an agent and a player. But who's the guy that is scouting the next Luca? Who you know what? I mean, who's the guy that is figuring out what okay? We don't have enough shooting like the Ingram kouzmine top out here shooting, and we can get cheap shooting this way rather than that way. Let me say this quickly to because when LeBron he's going to own a team. We know he's talked about that. He's not going to let a player run organization. Okay. And that's at you as much say as you may give a superstar player the player can't run organization. Lebron one is to type sue of his three titles in Miami. Where Pat Riley had control LeBron was a player now. I'll get some safe from LeBron as you said, but there has to be a hierarchy a define hierarchy in just about every organization. Yes. So that's important too for the Lakers. Thank you for listening to the hoops on FOX podcast. Don't forget to subscribe and leave a five star review letting us know what you think of the show.

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So to make sure he takes his time doesn't trying to rush back because ultimately the Boston Celtics should be worried about the long haul but there's definitely improves phillies chance of upsetting them. Scott? What do you think? I. Think that you know he would definitely be drastically Miss I. Think he's The guy that really helps stabilize that that team. We know they all got a lot of young stars and their team, but he's been a great distributor in terms of giving them. Balanced. So I I think he will be drastically missed but I expect those other three young stars to step. Past the sixers guys, and do make it past the second round Gordon would come back either at the beginning of the middle of the conference finals except the other factor and here is remembered. He was already scheduled to leave the bubble for the birth of his fourth child right around that same time. So we're just GONNA have to see how all of that is gonNA work out. We certainly wish him the best health. He has had rough couple years. They're all right. Welcome to the jump I am Rachel Nichols today joined by those guys right. There are a couple MBA chance two, thousand Sixteen Champ Richard Jefferson. Six Time Camp Scottie Pippen were in boxes but this. This right. All right lottery prospect, James Wiseman also going to join us later this hour and also coming up guys I sat down with Kyle Kuzma to talk about the challenges facing the Lakers as they begin what they hope tonight, a long playoff run every says accuses is the x factor. So we sat down to discuss it stick around for that first though let's get to the biggest story from last night KRISTAPS Porzingis ejected from. His first. Career playoff game. Last night received a technical foul in the first half, and then received an additional tech for coming to the aid of Lucas Dodge. After similar physicality with Marcus Morris in the third quarter through quite the reaction from some big names on twitter mavs legend Dirk Nowitzki wrote that injection is super soft Lebron James Chimed in man that was bogus as hell land and even the Super Bowl MVP homes chiming in. Trash man. So Scotty, did that ejection cost the mavericks the game in your opinion? Oh Yes for sure I mean that was the game that the Dallas Mavericks had an opportunity to put a big shift in this series and I thought porzingas play great being that it was his first playoff game i. thought he really made a stance made a presence that you know he was going to dominate the pain or at least let them know that. That he was in the Piney. But I I thought he played a tremendous game defensively I felt like that the technical foul that he got in the first half was unwarranted I felt like officials was not allying the players to react I mean, this is the playoffs you're gonNA see more emotions for reaction from the players but I felt like that the second technical. Again, the official should have reactive. I felt like Lucas, dont it took a lot from that drive going to the Bassett from Marcus, Morris and officials. Let him get a little rough with him and that's where porzingas step Dan but it should have been another team step in for sure someone should have stepped in it shouldn't have been poisoning bad mistake on his side and it calls them the game. No Scotty I agree I think this cost in the game. But a couple of things that we have to pay attention to hear one when you really break it down that first fist pump the are the plate was rescinded. So they actually took away the foul, the technical stood and the neck part. Is We talked about the clippers physicality back, and when we say physicality, that's just not tough defense. That's little. biddy extra stuff that's Patrick Beverley getting onto your skin that's Morris throwing and not not in a malicious way but just more of like setting a tone. So when the clippers start to do these things, that's when it becomes like your your job as a player to stay. Locked in mentally we saw Patrick Beverley and Kevin Durant and that first round series last year. So they're going to do these little bitty things that are going to happen all season long. You have to keep yourself as much as it was sought it much as it was week you also expected this so porzingas unfortunately, this was a bad bad thing. There's nothing no way for him to. Defend his teammate without escalating quote, unquote the situation but ultimately, it cost them the game and he has to be smarter he has to understand that's what the clippers are. GonNa do to them and they're going to do it for this entire playoff to his credit Richard Look. That is what he came out and said after the game he didn't say this you know unfair or screw them. He said I have to be smarter. About that kind of thing, and it is with the clippers do frankly it should be on the scouting report for the Mavericks but remember the Mavericks are a young team without playoff experience four of the five guys who've started last night for Dallas that was their first playoff game ever. So some of this, you just gotTa learn right you've just gotta learn that especially in the postseason guys are gonNA come out trying to bait you. Into doing stuff and you have to not react I would also say that the Environment Aurora Landau having watched so many games down there. It is quieter than you might hear on TV because TV you have the crowd noise elevated a little bit. So the officials here almost everything and that is why I think technicals are up We might see more of that as we go on all right, let's run it back to all. The instances in which someone twenty one or younger scored forty points in a playoff game. Last night Luca Danni scored forty two although he was more focused on his eleven turnovers, which will get to shortly at age twenty one in two, thousand, six, Lebron James had games of forty five and forty one points just five days apart a first round series against Gilbert. Arenas and the wizards. Oh, those were the days you remember these series. Richard. The blow in the are the tell him that if he misses these throws. They're going to lose the game. Yeah. I remember that Gilbert. I. Remember Thousand One, twenty-one year old tracy. Tracy McGrady twenty-one dropping forty two points for the Orlando Magic against the bucks lead to a hall of fame career of course, shoutout t MAC and in the nineteen eighty finals. Magic. Johnson at age twenty, scoring forty, two points in the series clincher to help lead the Lakers to a title the all time case of someone just young and tender making it the NBA Luca dodgers certainly in that company. Now yet after the game he did focus on his eleven turnover saying he played quote terrible Richard, can you understand what Luca meant there? Yeah. Like Luca has a very high standard for himself. We have a high standard for him. We know that Luka is a thirty point triple double every single night. So he doesn't judge himself by forty points. He doesn't judge himself by triple double. He judges himself by efficiency you have in Lebanon. That means that you were giving the Los Angeles Clippers eleven more possessions just yourself that right there can cost you a game. I'm not saying it did cost them the game. Obviously, the zinc thing had some situations but for him, a normal number is five or six because he does so much anything above that is definitely not up to his standard. Right to Richard I knew exactly where he's coming from. being a player that has played at that level had to be a leader for your team. When you have a game when you have high turnovers, those are your worst games. Those are games that you can criticize yourself those games game sector, t Mesa. You, but not only the coaching staff going to criticize you. But beyond that first half you take away those I seven turnovers he had an outstanding game, his leadership hisself floor ability to see the floor to make the right place i. mean he was outstanding his his offense was very dominant down the stretch of the game empoisoned ingles went out. But I can understand that he is a little bit humiliated because of the turnover and he realized like everyone else in Texas that they have a game getaway absolutely look he. Kept. Saying after the game, those eleven turnovers think about how many points those might have translated into, and that could have been the difference in the final score and of course, Luca has played in playoff situations before his stellar career over in Europe playoff. MVP. But it's different in the NBA and the fact that we saw improvement from his first half of his first ever NBA playoff game to the second half that tells me something. This guy has such a quick learning curve I think we will see more. Careful Luca. Danni. In Game Two of that series. Let's talk about the game guys that kicked off the entire playoffs yesterday that epic duel between Jamal. Donovan Mitchell. Now after struggling for most of last year's playoffs, Murray. Carried the nuggets with twenty of his thirty six points in the fourth quarter and overtime as for Donovan Mitchell. He had fifty seven. That's right. Happened today go. I'm still saying it fifty seven points. That's the third most in any playoff game all time think about that trailing only Elgin Baylor and Michael Jordan in the history of all NBA, playoff games he scored the third most even after the game Mitchell Murray. Couldn't get away from each other in the bubble. Take a look here at the votes. You being the bubble I gotta see this dude right after the game. He just just fifty seven. Yup those teams staying at the same hotel it's going to be interesting Scotty, which game was more surprising to you that Jamal Maria came out did what he did let his team to the win or Donovan Mitchell dropping fifty seven in the loss. Right. So I wasn't surprised at all would mule one of these players did I mean I've seen Jamal Mary as a rookie show this same type of? The ability to score the basketball the ability to close the game out. But what Donald Mitchell yesterday was needed he has to be able to score. Those counterpoint points to keep his team in the basketball game I expect to see more this as this series goes on, but offensively, he has to play that way night in and night out and I think we're just getting a taste to see what Donald Mitchell really can do. Yeah. About the. And how in their first playoff game all the things that transpired and last year. Jamal was in his first playoff series. So I'm not surprised Jamal struggled a little bit last year and I'm not surprised he showed up with this type of performance in this type of confidence. Ultimately, the Dallas Mavericks are going to win this series because if it's not Jamal Murray that we're talking about is going to be yoked is going to be Michael Porter Jr. is going to be Paul millsap. All of these guys are gonNA show up for the Utah Jazz Donald. Likely, lose that game and it's not. As. Their their come back to US Richard you'll come back to us after this break coming up we're going to talk about Joel embiid. He said he needs to do more to carry the sixers. We never wanted to see the top of Richard's head like that. That's a little dangerous. You'll see Joel embiid head instead is trying to do more to carry the sixers in their series against the Celtics. But how much more can he do? That is up next on the jump and we will get all our panelists back there. The. Gym is brought to you by corona premier lower carbs. Lower calories. One hundred percent corona. Nobody. Make Miss is a maker mislead. Baby. Let's check out. Today's making miss brought to you by Niccolo Baltra. Bread van bleed headache game high thirty, versus the nets including this pretty step back three Scottie vanfleet underrated snapback game. I think he's very underrated. You know year this kid did a breakout party in the NBA finals and I thought we all realized that. Dangerous shooter from behind the ARC. But yesterday, he had another breakout party in was Wale need it was the Toronto. Right. Now, we call him. Fleet. After this season, we're going to call them rich. It's going to be a free agent. People are going to give them a lot of money. All right. Miss Professional basketball just before halftime of the Jazz Nuggets Broadcast Mark Jones referred to this sequence as quote La Bridges at three o'clock. Richard. That was the line of the day but does it actually look like La fitness the three o'clock because you've been there Ever said a play by play individual shouts Mark Jones with the amazing call. But yes, everyone in America knew exactly what he was talking about and if you were just kind of glossing over the game, you're like, wow, these guys are messing up but then Marcus, he just tied it perfectly with the bow. fast-break basketball but not pretty MS coverage Kyle lowry hitting Pascal Siaka with this touchdown pass into double coverage Nickel Yokich similar pass to Jeremy Grant as well. So nothing new from Yokich richer. But who would you trust more as a quarterback Kyle lowry Or Union. That's like trying to figure out if his Russell Wilson Ben Rothlisberger. But I'M GONNA. Go Cow Lowery you just a little tough bulldog he's from Philly. That's just that's I I. GotTa go I gotTA. Go into tough guy I gotta go with any. Kyle lowry is canny make desperation Durell envied Jordan Clarkson, both bailed out their offense was step back threes as the shot clock expired Scotty when you look at these two which one was more impressive to you. I gotTA GO WITH A and B You know he's Real Nice for big I don't get a chance to see that too much. So I'm going to give beat the had a he had style like. ooh, that's high praise I like that with you I know that he's supposed to threes that's part of his game but I'm still going with the four big I and still impressive I've given it to him. All Right Richard. After the Game Joel Embiid led his team twenty six points but he was very tough on himself. Take a listen to what he said. I do more. I. Got A. You know go one job to do. The carrier. So I'm GonNa do Matsu help me but I got I gotta do more gotTa take more shots. I gotta be more aggressive on defesively gotTA my teammates. We all gotta play taken the ball. And do job and follow the game plan. All right. So sixers are now down one zero to the Celtics. You heard emptied Richard say that he wants to do more to carry his team. Is it possible for him at his position to do more to carry philly over Boston in this series? Yeah they need him too I. One advantage and you can make an argument that the Boston. have. The second best player in the series the third best the fourth best and the fit best prior to the Gordon Hayward injury, right? So Tobias Harris. Is going to give you good numbers but the only dominant figure that they had dominated game series of Joel embiid. So he has to put up forty. He has to put up eight and fifteen in three or four blocks. If they WANNA, have a chance in this series. I think you're exactly right Richard. I i. think he has to be more of a force. I think he has realized that he is the most dominant player in these players in he had to get the basketball in the position where he is playing dominant basketball. I felt like yesterday he sort of fail into the flow of what the Celtics were trying to do. Basically pushing me around the parameter making him be more of a perimeter pass. If he's going to be a dominant player, he has to do it inside the paint. Well, I know that when Chuck Berkeley. And Shack on TV and told Joel, he had to be more aggressive. He listened he had a great week and play after that. So I, guess you're well listen to Scotty pippin he's the og he's got six rings. Scotty says go out and get it a little bit more. We'll see if he follows through with that are coming up I. sat down with Kyle Kuzma ever and says he is the X. Factor for the Lakers celebrity where his head is at first time in the playoffs, his confidence and his whole birthday off stick around that's next on the job. Let's take a look at the season's Best Buzzer beaters brought to you by T. so. The Sun job at six to play. Booker pisses put away. Ron Brown. Comes for. The win. Shot. By Kyle. Coups. All right. Welcome back to the jump. As you just saw, Kyle Kuzma hidden some pretty big shots here in the bubble. We sat down to discuss that game winner against the nuggets, his confidence entering the play offs and the challenges that lie ahead of the Lakers this postseason take a look. We know who we are. We know we stack up against the best in the league. Well it's August it's not April but still the playoffs or finally here you guys had such a great start and seating games against the clippers. But then you ended up going three and five what do you think the biggest issue was it wasn't as smooth as you might have initially helped. Um. You know we got one seat and Kinda just you know. I would probably say that. But. No we know where we want to be in the season and we also know. Know, the importance of no sense urge she had veterans around to really be able to lock in no uncertain games turn stretches over this we've had. Getting Betschart good habits. That's the the biggest thing you personally played extremely well in the seating games both ends of the court such much consistency. Great defensively. How do you feel about yourself but what you've shown in Orlando com, coups says I feel I feel like that I'm kind of back to where was. Probably, actually a year a year ago team USA in August. So I think that The bodies here. Healthy. Obviously mentally engaged. Mentally into it just because you know hiatus and getting back into it so. Good for me. It's been great to see your confidence bulk up as well. Lebron. Doing Danton Davis picked up by bull comes look for the win. Total. Shot by tile who's not after you hit the shot against Denver you said even if Jesus suspending me, I am never afraid to shoot. So I need more of an explanation here Kyle. What if you were double teamed if Peter came in to the extent what what what are we talking here? How did this pop into your head? Just talking about my confidence at the top level, you have to take that way. Obviously. I instead, I was going to score on. I didn't say I was going to make shots on shoot. He gives me confidence. So it's all good. You need that confidence to play. Lebron James and Anthony Davis right twenty percents. That is part of learning to play with them. I would imagine having competence because if you don't. then. Bad News. You've also had a lot of fun in the bubble Jennifer. Down here. Everyone knows it was your birthday because your girlfriend Winnie. Plane over our hotel here wishing you the best. That was like a book listing. I've just never had that before She's the best mid happen Obviously everyone in the world new my birthday which no may my birthday better especially here so Hey thanks winning. Now. It's back to basketball breakdown for me a Blazers Lakers series looks like, why is it such a challenge viewed as You know I think it presents different challenges and for them to have really dynamic guards? And taken really fill it up. So obviously, just naturally the challenge were. Massive in the front court, but back a little different. So. That's kind the Yin and Yang of us but. You know. We're. We're we're confident. If things go chok in these playoffs and we don't know if they will. But if they do you guys have an incredibly tough run ahead of you you were playing the rockets in the second round. You'd be playing the Clippers in the western conference finals, and again, if things go chalk, you would be playing the reigning MVP and the bucks in the finals is that amount and you feel confident you guys climbed. So. Why saying? Why sentences? What doesn't kill you stronger? So obviously getting tested early is going to help us for the pair to prepare for those bigger games if we can get there. So. obviously as a little tough but You know this is kind of the tough this. Championship probably ever and we're having some road and we're in a bubble. So your coach, Frank Vogel told me that as the playoffs gear up here is going to start talking to you more and more about Kobe Bryant how much is Kobe going to be on your mind as you go through this season? He's online a lot for him being a mentor mind. You know he's kind of always. Feel I always catch myself on Youtube watching highlights of him so. obviously within playoffs we think of Kobe. You think all the great playoff performances and how dowd any was how locked in. No just at the mental edged said, he kinda brought every night we know what he would want you guys to do here. So off I can see if you can do it certain. Big You to Kyle Kuzma for taking the time as you can see, he's Lakers points per game has increased in scoring since entering the bubble Scotty do you think coups? Mutt can be that consistent third score for the Lakers in the playoffs because everyone says, if they're gonNA win title, he's got to hit that level. I really do I. think that this young man watching him in this league for the last couple seasons he's grown tremendously obviously working under one of the great players like Lebron James to me. He ticks all the boxes. You know he's definitely built the confidence over the last few years of playing alongside a guy like Lebron but having opportunity to work out with Lebron, do things off the court offensively he solid defensively he's solid. So to me, he's he he's he's at third player and to win a championship. Is going to be important that his growth continues throughout these playoffs. Now everyone knows and it's always been this. It's always been is cow who's going to be that third player but I still think he needs more dog in them. That's just that's just the the honest truth I know we can score the ball but what is he going to do on nights that he's not shooting? Is he going to be able to defend at I won't say high level but at a very good level is he going to contribute to that size in? going. To help them on the glass because that's the area with Dwight Howard. Lebron James Javale McGee Anthony, Davis, they have that size. So he's got to help them their dominate on the glass. He's got to find ways when his shot isn't falling to really help the team. That's what will make him the third player in the key point on this team. But if you just trying to like hit shots and that's his only focus I, think the Lakers are gonNA. Fall. Can Be. So interesting to watch how he holds up under all this firepower that the Lakers are facing. You heard me run run through all the opponents they might see starting, of course with Lakers Blazers tonight that game is later this evening right now though the Orlando Magic are actually beating the Milwaukee Bucks and they were leaving by thirteen going into the fourth quarter Renner tickets. To a live look in that game as we discuss it. So Scotty, you had been in this position of being the number one seed in the east playing number eight seed and we hear, Hey, teams get complacent but did you ever get complacent in an early first round series? Did you have a game like this where you came out of the gates and the is dominating you? Know, because these these Kaunda Games that you go out and you take care of your opponent because there's much more work to be done. Then just game one saw you realize that all the players the rest there's injuries and then there's preparation for other teams. So you try to take advantage of beating a see three, straight four straight whatever the series may be and. Great teams still, and you know I was fortunate enough to play with a one of the greatest players play this game and one thing that that he did night in and night out it. Basketball Court to try to prove that he was the best player in the world. So we never had time to sit back and celebrate on what we did during the regular season because focus was always on winning a championship in the sooner you can win sixteen. Games. You're going to be crowned the channel and that was always mindset. Now, that that that's funny rate you even ask Scotty that. God No we never kidding me. We got mad anytime. We even lost the game in the regular season. We'll look I'm not surprised. We talked about this earlier in the week I'm not surprised that whether it's the Lakers or the bucks these teams off. So they had nothing to fight for upon entering into this bubble everything was a tune-up. So even these games, it's going to take them a minute it could be. It could be a game to get to that focus level to understand what's really at stake here too. I. Think Orlando Magic have the ability to win a game. One, hundred percent I think there is I think across the league. Every team has a chance to win games in these series, but I don't think they have any chance of winning the series whatsoever and look for the Orlando Magic they do get a game if they get this game or another game, the bucks vet self is going to be. A victory, we were just watching live there Milwaukee had cut the lead. So it is possible that they will still come out of this ahead, but we will be watching that and keeping you updated throughout the rest of the show also coming up on this show top prospect James Wiseman joins us. He's going to discuss his potential with some of the teams picking at the top of the draft, what aspects of his game he's working on plans for a man these to know well, Penny Hardaway Memphis stick around. Good things come in on the job. Afternoon and night. Four Games And a glimpse of the future. Playoff intensity. The draft, lottery hoops, and hope. Whoa an all day. On ESPN. Thursday we'll have four playoff game twos and then the NBA draft lotteries here on Espn we start at one eastern with the Pacers. Then Thunder rockets followed by magic books, and after that, it's the lottery I'm hosting that one. So come hang out with me. Eight thirty eastern five, thirty. Pacific we wrap up with trailblazer. Lakers right after that all the action also available of course on ESPN deportees and the ESPN. APP. Looking at the number one player in the country. So. would. Guess who which wise again. And now it's time for a special NBA draft related series we're launching today called making the joke you get it making. And for our first conversation WE WELCOME IN ESPN DOT COM projected top three pick James Watson. Welcome sir. Thank you for joining us and look the warier. The warriors are tied with the cavs and timber. Wolves for the best odds to lock up the topic now, I don't even have to ask you this question since I know every draft prospect in history thinks they should go number one overall. So I'm just GonNa assume you think that instead of it, ask you how do you think your game would fit in with Steph Clay Draymond and the other warriors if in fact it false that offered us a great feat. Offered on a plane with veteran players like to develop my game quickly Bach also just learned from them because they've been in the League for a couple of years for a really long time. So just me like being unveilings, it'd be great. So Warriors Organization is a great organization and obviously it would be amazing to play for them. But have you thought about playing for a team that might not have as many established superstars where you could play thirty, thirty, five minutes a night they could build around you. You have an opportunity for rookie of the year all star like a year or two have you thought about like the the pluses and minuses? But I'm. Looking at times just going in there. It's like whatever? Able. To play my heart is but but just like going just line as much. Awesome. year this on on grow wire So former number one Andrea. Shooting Be More big managed. It. Gone Right now. For the draft are you trying to establish yourself as like a post presence and then working you`re Working aspects from our game The most. System so I'm really likes all aspects now studying at locked. Crafty. Hey Jesse Scottie Pippen. Here. I. Just got a question I wanted to ask you who do you compare your game with in terms of Foresees now where no was. Chris Bosh in. The Davis by this time it like Hannukah, face up and to attack the basket. They moved out the ball florally how they can be able to surrender floor rebound and block side. So. How do you? I to ask you how do you? How did you feel about playing coach like Penny Hardaway? WHO's you know? He's point guard he played in the NBA. Experience. He basically told me approach the game I play the Assad out ought to be a great saint. On how to play hard on both face at four of the mainly defaced and just like to make them. Time. Well we had penny on the show during this shutdown and he raves raves about James Not just in terms of a player but your character how much he loved working with you. So you got his endorsement, but you're talking to a couple MBA champs here as and I want to know if you have any questions for Scotty or Richard About Mba life. Yeah again. Opinions is like a great. Guy And just like him, I teach me a lot of stuff I. mean it develop game tremendously so I'm very grateful and happy to be able to experience college build it like have a great great foundation. Absolutely well, you got Scottie, Pippen and Richard. Jefferson on the said here is there anything you want to ask them about being in the NBA? Approach our rookie year like like y'all struggles in like how to grow as a player. You can give to me like the other rookies coming in Italy. I was very, very fortunate and I was able to go to the finals my rookie year, and if you're drafted by a team like the warriors could be a very very serious reality I. Think the best thing that you can do as a rookie just listened to your bet listen to your vets try and work the hardest try and do all the things that they have done that at established Emma's players and just listen be humble work hard and keep your head down that. That's the advice that I would pretty much give any rookie but especially someone that is potential that you do. Nothing is a great question You know I I would tell all young players to do what you to get you where you are today, and that's by working hard and dedicating yourself to the game of basketball. You're pretty much at the end of the pinnacle of reaching your goal but this is the time where you really pull in and you give it your all because the world is watching, your family is is watching and everyone is expecting big things for mu so go out and get. No pressure there James. Hey. You're talking to legends you ask the question, the legends Scottie Pippen is going to answer you, James. Best of luck on draft night work site if you to come back and join us after your officially in the NBA that is coming up soon and up next on this show I will ask Richard Scotty just how long the rockets can survive without Russell Westbrook in the lineup he's officially out tonight of course in game one of the rockets Bunder series keep a lot to the job. We'll tell you all the inside scoop. This week on the neighborhood. Guys I'm excited for these playoffs physically and emotionally impossible be more excited to me. please. Can you see excitable my face none? That's your torso how? Banner. How? Much. Again. And you to. NBA Playoffs on. ESPN ABC brought to you by state farm. Tonight. It's another WNBA matter from the IMG. Bradenton Florida. Aj Wilson. The aces have won seven straight. They're going to take on the Chicago's die nine o'clock eastern six Pacific on ESPN two and on the ESPN APP and it's crunch time here on the job the raptors dominating game one versus the nets yesterday for their fifth straight win that win was, of course, led by Fred Vim who had a game high of thirty points Richard Expect to see the raptors continued to cruise control in this series as we see the struggle with the magic here. Richard with me with this dramatic music. While dramatic music I'd like I I. It's too much too much. It's okay. We can. We can. We can move on Scotty. What do you think of the raptors chances in this series against the nets? I think it's great I mean when you talk about the Toronto Raptors on to me, this team is really been on a mission last couple of years. So we really under rated them in underestimated what they can do. Without Colli so I'm not surprised they're they're doing very good basketball. They're paying team basketball they're playing winning basketball and when you look at this team lost to. Warranty and the Pacers. TJ. Received praise for being an unstoppable unstoppable scorer for his first couple of weeks in the bubble he actually made first team all bubble. So let's talk about him. Now. Do you expect his starlight performance to continue now that we're in the playoffs and they're playing the heat and Jimmy Butler who has said he can shut TJ warren down if he wants to. Well I'm looking forward to it I, think he will be shut down to some degree. I, think the Miami Heat about one of the best defensive teams in the League and he will be on their focal point. No, he's had a great. Run here in his bauble but I, I expect that that will. See The thing with Tj Warren I. I was fortunate enough to call some of those gains. He was doing it through the flow of their offense ball movement. He catches and shoots it. He's not James Harden he's not one of these guys Damian Lillard we're just GonNa toss the ball and let him go to work. So ultimately I think those numbers are going to come down because he was shooting in officiant number that was off the chart. So I think it's going to come down but I still think, TJ Warren is going to have a huge impact on the quality of play is going out not only is it? The playoffs, but they've gotten rid of some of the teams that didn't make the cut. So everyone you play now is playoff-caliber and I know the my maybe heat are looking forward to this series both sides. All right. We're running out of time. So on to preview a couple of the huge games two-night leaves thunder and rockets tipping off their series. Later today we know Russell Westbrook will be out for game one with a quad strain. We don't know much beyond that games are every other night in this condensed playoff formats. Richard Long can Houston survive without Westbrook in the lineup facing the guy they traded him for Chris. Paul? Look I. I. Think they can still win this series of although it's going to be very, very difficult. It's going to take I know this is GonNa be weird to say this about James Harden, but it's GonNa take. Damian. Lillard tight however or this to get through this all that is no disrespect to either of those two stars but ultimately, the Oh Casey thunder are a great team. It's hard to key in on one person. So if you're not fully locked and loaded, it's going to be very, very difficult but I still think they can get it done. I think Russell Westbrook will be dramatically. Miss. I think the first couple of games they may be able to survive without him but his ability to get into the paint, his thrust pushing the basketball I I think is very important for the Houston Rockets. I think he's the guy that really gets the other guys going I know James Harden can get his own numbers but you talk about Russell Westbrook this is a guy that's going to fill up numbers all across the board rebounding says I think they they absolutely you know it's interesting Scott spoke to James Harden after it came out that Russell was injured and he said he really needs. To Erik Gordon to be more aggressive starting with this game one tonight for the exact reason you're talking about Russell pushes that offense so much he so quick. So aggressive out there he needs eric he said to do some of those same things now although he knows the logo heavier on him as well that one is going to be fascinating and on the nightcap on TNT, we got another really good one game one of Blazers Lakers Scotty what do you think about the Blazers Stamina given everything? They had to overcome just to make the playoffs they were basically playing the playoffs for nine games straight now they're going right into the first round. You know what? They just haven't had enough time to rest. I think they're going to relate a tonight. I think that the Lakers have been preparing and sort of getting there guys ready. But also not over exaggerating a guy like Lebron James I think it's going to be tough for the blazers to get it up again tonight. So this is a weird one because you see Orlando versus the Milwaukee Bucks and that's a very, very tight match up. So I think the Portland, trailblazers with no travel understand that there hasn't been travel everyone's rested. Yes. They've been playing gas at you're single day but I think that they are getting into a rhythm they're getting into like a mood right now that they feel like they can take. Down and they can accomplish anything so I think this is going to be a very, very tough. Blazers are definitely a mood. I'm not GonNa Argue Air Damian Lillard told us the other night that because the playoffs are not coming off eighty two game schedule to actually thinks that his team is more rested than it would be in a normal circumstance because they only had to play those nine games play the we will see what happens will be good basketball going on tonight we're out of time for today but coming up next to debut on ESPN a major league. Baseball. Double header.

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"What's going on everybody? Welcome into I take on this Friday eve. Thank you for spending part of your morning afternoon. Whatever it is with US Stephen a Smith Max Kellerman? I'm Molly Karen Rose knows. How do you slip that in Nice? I like it the Rose I am. Mrs Rose with all those matriarch all those terms joking with me all right. Let's get it going guys Thursday night. Football we have a good match up when two three and one team speights off as the rams travel to Seattle we know those twelve. They're going to be live L. A. Fresh off a fifty five forty debacle and against Tampa their star running back todd Gurley hasn't been himself while the seahawks have had some too close for comfort games against teams without their starting quarterback Seattle is favored by one and a half Stephen a Smith. We got a real game mm-hmm. I know how much you'll have Thursday night football. Who won the game tonight? I think it's a short week. I think the game is in Seattle and I think that Russell Wilson has looked absolutely sensation station and I think the national audience myself mainly Os this man in apology. We've been talking about. MVP candidates in terms of Patrick Mahomes. We talked about about Lamar Jackson of before he fell off against you know against Cleveland last week. We talked about that Prescott. Obviously we have not talked about Russell Wilson was completed about ninety seven of one hundred and thirty three or ninety four something like that one hundred thirty three attempts seventy two point nine percent completion percentage over eleven hundred yards passing eight inches eight touchdowns not a single interception and unlike the previous two weeks Seattle Seattle go back to their running game last year last week was caused some random wall twenty two hundred and four years does what they do. They run the football effectively. They moved to change. They wear you down. They make sure they don't have their defense out on the field for an exorbitant amount of time. We know that when they are out there they can do some things if they're rested and ready to go. I'm just of the mindset that when you look at disc being a short week being in Seattle combined with how Los Angeles has looked defensively you gave a fifty five points the Tampa Bay buccaneers fifty five points on your home turf to the Tampa Bay buccaneers and I know my I know my special. Jameis Winston has looked good with Byron left which Bruce Bruce Areas. I get that but fifty five points there is a problem with that defense. They've got to get it fixed and not only that there's an incredible imbalance. You ran the football a fall about eleven times jared Goff through the football about what is it sixty eight Toscana. You can't have that you have that so. They're going to try to get back at five themselves but this ain't that week to find yourself a short week on the road in Seattle everything points to Seattle winning a close game in this situation Yup. That was my first thought to breath but I think actually the rams are gonNA pull it off. Look if girlies not right. That's why Jared Goff does the ball so much right like if girlies not jared Goff is a maybe a system quarterback and the play action with girly really changes the whole dynamic macos that offense if you take that away okay granted that's not great and I totally agree about Russell Wilson by the way it brings up religiously as you would say the year cam won the MVP you know who the best player in the second half of that season was Russell Wilson you can see so many years where that was the case where Russell like this guy won the MVP over this half the season season Russell Wilson or Russell Wilson was an MVP candidate in this season. He's a hall of fame quarterback in his prime and yes home yes. It's a short week but you know what I noticed the season so far Dr Steven A. The desperate team seems to have to be winning these games that includes Thursday night football and you called one when you took the eagles over the packers on the road short week looking bad the week before I think if you really look at Seattle and they were one of my sleeper teams this year but if you really look at Seattle while Russell Wilson has looked good the team really hasn't vink of what they want by the skin of their teeth against Cincinnati Week one suspense society's awful. You just said the other day if it wasn't for the Dolphins Right Cincinnati or maybe Washington they're awful and yet Russell Wilson by the skin is who if they really beaten up on their beer -ly beating teams barely and that's with Russell Wilson playing this well now. You have a rams team who's coming coming off a season where they went to a super bowl. Who's been like girly can't be used any less or play any worse than he has already? He's likely to play better other than that. Golf has been pedestrian at best. This is a desperate team road teams. This here Thursday night football for whatever reason is had played over their heads. It's I liked the rams in enough so I will say this to you number one eight and barely beat Arizona that was twenty seven to ten. That's number one even though they didn't look that great but you you know where they can do that to you from time to time just wha-what Kingsbury is doing but they're just not that effective right now. We know that but in the end what it comes down to is this again yeah you got this kid. Chris Carson is averaging nearly four yards a carry. You Got Russell Wilson Plan lights out you gotTA defense there. There's always respectable and nothing's changed this year and net home in a short week and then you've got a ramp team that I think they've got identity issues clearly that Tronto trying to save Todd Gurley Todd Gurley is is not a hundred percent. We all know it and they know their best shot at winning. The chip is to get him to the postseason healthy because clearly that wasn't the case with him last year so you gotta pay attention into that as well but then I look at their defense defense hasn't been that great but six against Iran courts here sixteenth against the path. It's one of those situations where you're the rams as you might think okay. This is a team that we can throw on getting that. Noise in Seattle is going to be a factor particularly for somebody like golf so again and then when we you talk about the desperation don't compare the Eagles to anybody in this game. Both teams are three of one. I Know San Francisco is undefeated. They had a bye week last as we can and so they're now elevated themselves within the division but both teams at three one the Philadelphia Eagles will wanted to had they lost that game in Dallas at be New Orleans three days later because the eagles have played on Thursday night the Dallas had a three game lead on them and they almost assuredly would've won the division. The Eagles would have been done so the level of desperation at the eagles will face last Thursday is not what the Rams nor the seal Ramsey now are coming off a super in there now in a division with not only the seahawks but for a long time that was all you had to worry about and now all of a sudden you look up and you just mentioned it San Francisco's three no and by the way odds makers seem to like them like people were saying no. They're actually quite good. This is not a mirage. We'll see there's a chance to rams. Don't go back to the playoffs. They're aware of this and this is a team. Let's not forget as early as recently as the middle little of last season we were asking. Is this a super team dynastic kind of greatest show on turf team intrinsically also the rams are very very very good. girly changes that dynamic if he's not healthy but they had as recently as last season three. MVP candidates legit on the dame team. Let's say two thirds of the way through the look at Jared Goff you could look at Aaron Donald obviously and you could look at Todd Gurley. I think what they're doing with girly now is a kind of version of load management like we saw in the NBA with Kawhi Leonard this last season which he's not hoping that they will get to the playoffs and and by the way look what happened to the offense in the Super Bowl last year when Gurley was clearly compromise not the same and so what we've seen so far from the rams is a very cautious ashes approach with Gurley. I think the handcuffs come off a little bit for a game like this. I think the rams score the ups and member it at the forty nine is we'll learn a lot more about them this Sunday when they go up against Cleveland. That's number one number two. They're very next game after Cleveland is the Los Angeles Rams. Remember rams got two shots to sue bites at the Apple Got Seattle adult. The very next game is against the forty niners. We'll see who would you say this that the seahawks looked great against. I won't say look against anybody anyway but he eighties no but his Wilson looks is my retort today even in their prime even when the legion of boom was around there were many many games with the seahawks were always close. They weren't the type T-o-n blue you out of the type of team that beat you down and this team right now thus far. It looks like the team that will be. I'm pretty sure a new house might be hunters. What makes you say that? The furniture is levitating on the ghost welcome. I'm home yeah. That's that's bookie. You know what's really scaring missing out on Geico for help with homeowners and renters insurance gyco makes it easy to sink them bunch inch great. You're not sticking around. The bar is just getting started. Happy guy go we call today. ANC How easy homeowners and renters insurance can be New York giants running back Saquon Barkley was on the practice field Wednesday running cutting ten days as after a high ankle sprain he suffered against the Tampa Bay buccaneers coach Pat Shurmur would not rule out Berkeley for Sunday's game against the Minnesota Vikings but ESPN's Jordan Ron reported that sources say that Barclays not expected to play in his pointing to a return next Thursday night at New England. Yes as in Foxborough the initial diagnosis after injury had Barclay missing four to eight weeks Pat Shurmur off me. I don't know some people's doctors. Doctors had an eight weeks not my doctors. I think you know we're we're just gonNA see where he's at. He's out there moving around I've seen a movement around. I guess this is the first first opportunity for you guys to so. That's probably why it's a point of interest are most prized possession eight weeks. It's normally for a high ankle. Sprain potentially could come back. Are they rushing in back too soon yes they are and let me say what you just said our most those prices in New York three daughters but but the point is that seek the thing about picking Saquon Barkley in the draft number two overall whether or not that's mistake. Take a running back that high is it's not a mistake if you're a fence if you're a fan from the point of view of if if Saquon Barkley is playing for your team whatever for else is going on. You're so happy about that on a weekly basis you get to watch saquon Barkley when all is said and done. You'll have seen his career as a member of your team. That's a huge first thing that makes you happy as a sports fan. There are other athletes even New York right now. The Yankees had Aaron judge. That's awesome like whatever happens in the postseason in this postseason you get to watch Aaron judge. Those home runs. It's amazing. There's no more spectacular athlete in the world and Saquon Barkley and he's twenty two years old and his prime minister. It's a happy thing they're going to risque. They're gonNA like if it's even a question not just this Sunday but then on a short week you play the Patriots forget that forget it up up we had concerns yesterday. We talked about Tom Brady Gay man. I think they could potentially do something. We'll here's what it is. This is fool's gold old to the giants think they're going to do something here. Because Daniel Jones looks promising so far in their to in to look at the giants and what they've done so far that box EXC game they should've lost. They got lucky to win at the end. Let's let's be honest the following week against Washington it. They would have won that game anyway Washington along with Miami and maybe Cincinnati arable terrible teams and yet there were guys open who the WHO The Washington quarterbacks. We're just missing. They wanted to see them or they. They were missing the giants defense. All three levels of the defense is in bad shape or in bad shape first of all front. They can get no pressure on the quarterback. Secondly the secondary can't cover anybody and thirdly the linebacking corps is now think is commonly went down. He's on. He's that's it. I are so so all three levels of the defense are a real problem for the giants. They going anywhere this year. So what I'm asking is what is the sense offense in rushing saquon back this guy for the reasons I just said. Would you brought in the beginning. This guy is going to keep giants fans. Happy rains snow or shine for the next ten years at least do not risk it not Sunday. I don't WanNa see him on Thursday either. Why are you even being allowed allowed to talk about the New York giants? You have no objectively entirely emotional. I mean you you have no Ginnie everything that you said just now his dribble first of all that guy you just finished raven weeks ago about about how to guy got trunks for lakes. Okay most people would have had their ankles broke on a plate it that that he suffered from this do gets hurt during the Tampa Tampa game and then this hopping around the stadium. It's still up minutes later. Okay most people would have been in the hospital with the damn leg broke this due to the normal individual. That's number one number two. They're not rushing bat what he to win is walking out then all of a sudden instead of being carried off the field one minute capet around the next now this comes out one day where most people would still be on crutches. He's walking around two days later. He's running around number three. He's practicing. He's he's not playing number four. When you look at the New York giants first of all they're not going to rush him but they're not gonNa let him play unless he's ready to play because has no matter how much value you know he is the franchise trust me? They know how much value to that franchise particularly where you WanNa protect Dan you geologists well number five Max Max Kellerman how many times I have to tell you to stop disrespecting the American consumer. They too have a right okay kate. They patriots has the product they do have a right to WANNA see gus. Nobody's talking about rushing up by talking about pushing them back but to sit here at two into knowing how our historically tough the NFC east visit is knowing that the eagles were just one game away from their season collapsing or write in the New York giants right now are tied for second place. The Washington is old. It doesn't matter the fact of the matter season by season. It's almost as if you're talking about like they should take for crying out loud and I know you're not saying that but I said almost and the reason why you want to concede four games in excuse excuse me they might not win this week. Okay you're might win this week. They might not win next week against the Wangling. They got Arizona after it is entirely conceivable that the Dallas Cowboys Kalou again the Green Bay this weekend and in the process the giants could potentially win. You do have Arizona coming up after New England. It is entirely plausible that seven eight weeks into the season that the giants could be a five hundred team and just one game really you want to risk the careers equal Markley on the author of the seventy in nine hundred first of all I have first thing I did was challenged whether or not it is risking his career because I'm saying make up your mind easy the freak of nature not because because don't treat truck for legs Major. That's what I'm trying to say to you. Is that Max he's running and cutting in practice that commissioner irving at a time at a time when most people would be in the hospital wrote the listen dude got trucks say he's different. Eh then let him different Adrian Peterson. Same thing came back from an injury. You're not supposed to come back for a freak of nature legs one like that and Saquon Kwan wants to play to great good for him. I am not going to risk the rest of this season or his career diminishing in some way on the altar of of chasing seven wins. This giant doesn't work with me. Did you have any problem we have planned last year. No did the giants stink last year. Yes well based on your Theri because as I said I'm saying you last year he was one hundred percent didn't get hurt right but they stunk up the joint all week for crying out loud. I mean it was it was horrible. How awful the new strain is when you hear about a sprain something sprayed with that usually means a little Iraqi? That's actually one that is yes. It's a little microfracture show wh when it comes to know when it comes to sure saquon about understand I don't WanNa keep talking about saquon and by the way it's not just this Sunday where he's unlikely to play concern. I don't think they will play them on Sunday Thursday short week. The ten station is again again. No temptation is not going to be the play them in a short week. The temptation will be the plan there after particularly against Arizona that might be the temptations come back again not all having different listen. You Got Minnesota the way kirk cousins looking you could beat Minnesota. That's at metlife stadium you minnesota overweight kirk cousins and he doesn't get it together then you lose to New England right so you're three three then you beat Arizona you forty three after that. You Got Detroit Lions on the road. You're probably lose that game you. That'll make your four and four Dallas. I think Dallas win but they could lose. I liked James Becher a lot. Actually I like what I think. He has promised as the D. Coordinator Order for the New York football giants like Wayne goal out of Clemson who work with right now you have a couple of good players. Every team has a couple of towns to players on both sides of the aw but the giants defense is not going to hold up this year. He's going to need time after the break too and so. Are you not calling for Saquon. Sit the rest of the season then. Let's not get hysteric. Thank you however however the question is do I think the question is are they going to rush saquon back in my worried that they'll rush saquon back. My answer is yes. I define that by either playing this Sunday or next Thursday that is my the the Patriots veteran weapon to I are kicker Stephen Gostkowski who's been with the team since Os sex will have season ending surgery for a left hip of injuries source told our Adam Schefter on Wednesday Guscott ski who is the Patriots all time leader in points and field goals has been placed on I R is expected to be ready for the twenty twenty season Schefter also reporting that the Patriots now plan to sign veteran kicker Mike nugent for Patriot Damien Woody and House did see you as always a stimulus. We'll be doing what we don't knock your block home basically no tie no nothing. Just grow up this look what I'm doing. I'm not here to play games. which can I mean you look Utah Situation Looking good but I'm going to do what I do? I know you've been not come back and we'll do what I do. What I say so what you may put on? What are what what you have to talk about ready to learn and I'm screaming? Did you right now the best part about this as you're like one third the size of him Stephen Back injury me for the past okay what oh it's intimidating because anytime we talk besides he he he does some smart so we go well. I mean you are large individuals but that's okay. Don't act like your average average. Wait for your don't worry about it. You bring it up. Let's be honest. I'm in gotTA. Go home. Shine up your rings. Count your money your good. I'M GONNA take him shopping. I'M GONNA take shop bomb on him. That's all I'm saying. Let's you coming on. You got the big money. I wish anyone WanNa talk about sports sir major injury to Stephen Dots cousy. I know we're talking about a kit car but he spent with this shame since two thousand text one them a lot of games. What does this mean for the pats? I think is GONNA cost him. A Super Bowl. I think a trip to super bowl and it's not to say he's been great and I mean when you think about the Patriots think about who they've had they've had basically since nineteen ninety-six Adam venit theory all a famous far as I'm concerned they had this guy like named Shayne Graham or whatever his name was for like eight Games two thousand and ten and other than that cousy who drafted in the fourth round in two thousand six the only three and he's been pretty much the man since two thousand six with the exception of those again but he's missed some. He's made some big Thompson. He'll goes including in the super bowl. He's missed his share. This year. He's missed four extra points which is just ignored patriots fans we get all of that but when you got a guy that experienced you're not worried as much about them in the big moment because they find a way to figured out and get it done when it really really counts. They're considering Mike nugent. That's a form Oakland rate. If I remember correctly you really really feeling good about that one op I'm not and so when you look at that along with the things that we've been lamenting about the New England patriots offense because obviously Antonio Brown is no longer there Josh Gordon eligibility issue so far. He's good but we don't know whether that's going to get to you. We pray and hope that that will stay that way. Jillian Adam is play but hasn't been one hundred percent Gronkowski. Eh Retired Tom Brady Age attrition etc.. Even though I have confident he'll show what when it really really counts. It's really about putting all that pressure about the number one defense number one eight yards number one in points allowed number two against rush number two against the past we get all of that but in the end usually with the Patriots unless they have a Juggernaut it comes down to the wire and feel goals have saved them on many many occasions to lose this guy for the the season I think is a tremendous loss and when I look at Kansas City how in a are and how they're going to be even more so once tyreek hill comes back now that he's he's back in practice. I'm sorry I don't see the New England Patriots team with a questionable of field goal game. Beating Kansas City chiefs team got the big contract from the Patriots tackle from the Patriots last year trim yes. That's what I thought of when I heard Mike Nugent is probably going to be the kicker of course see so much of of the NFL is not just drafting and figuring out who's talented but coaching shing them up putting a minute environment to succeed Mike Nugent ballyhooed prospect he was drafted. I want to see in the second round by the jets second round. We're thinks county actually out of college right like he was a big deal and he did exactly pan out like he's been bad. When you hear Mike nugent go yeah of course Belgium has no problem replacing like an all time green like that with the Guy Somehow doesn't have a job by the way eighty percent on field goals? It's it's pretty good. It's not bad at all. That's what that's what new genus right if you look at his rates if you played a full season last year he'd been middle of the pack type of kicker got to be solid in the kicking game guess what the patch will be solid in the kicking game just like that Trent Brown is one of the the people point to Belichick and they look at Josh Gordon ties right talented had problems elsewhere but still wow how he went on the Patriots but I look at the Trent Browse I look at he did get on the offensive line this year Belichick he can look at your teeth. Oh that guy's backing up so we're other teams that takes years and years to fix their offensive line delicate. Does it in a day well that guy's pretty good. He's backing up at right guard. We need one yeah. I'll trade your draft. Pick and get that guy plug them in just like that. That's what I thought when I heard Mike nugent. Is it a downgrade grade. Yes it is. Could it cost them in a big game. 'CAUSE 'cause Hausky is like special sure but if you have Mike nugent particularly on the Patriots I don't see the kicking game is a problem point before you go you mentioned eighty percent and in fairness to you I went to my computer and looked it up because I don't pay that much attention a few goal kickers in terms of percentage when we talk about the greatest field goal kickers in history Max Kellerman when they talk about top percentage you know where eighty somebody makes eighty eighty percent of their field goals in their career ranks and the NFL like forty six. That's not that great. I what I saw from his rates just about enough right segment admit began. We're here Mike nugent so I look up. Mike nugent what I saw from. His rates was kind of middle of the pack guy if he played a full season but I'll bet you that ticks up on the Patriots. Not I'm I'm not speaking about anybody specifically. I'm talking about generically eighty percent rate as a field goal kicker differences this not having Dusky and let's say it could be potentially big Steven Steven talked about how he's missed four actually. Cat's this year and so oh that's been like the one big gripe about Patriots Fan this dude. It's been missing a lot of those you know. KINDA chip kicks this year but at the same time this is this is a guy that in his fourteen year career with the Patriots he's also had some big big moments with the pages and you can never underscore that those type of things when it comes to impress pressure situations especially lady here whether changes get cold you know you've got to win a game by field though he's done that they replace vegetarian. They did it. They did it. I will say I think the bigger to me the bigger issue for the Patriots. If something's going to derail them the fact that they have a lot of key guys going on right now aw James Devlin fullback Isaiah win starting tackle in kill. Here's the first round wide receiver Gostkowski David Andrew you start so I mean listen as much as we talk about bill belichick being the greatest head coach ever of all time having Tom Brady how many more injuries can can you sustain before it starts kind of taking you down to the point where you still have to deal with Kansas. City regale is coming back. They're going to be even more book they want to gain without school didn't want a game without Patrick Mahomes last week against against the Detroit lions about that that's do it. That's let me say this Max going back to you. Feel Go. Percentage leaders career leaders field goal percentage at a Viteri sixteenth all time eighty four percent number four all time Stephen Gutowski eighty seven point three percents yeah. It's what I'm saying is. It's a downgrade for sure but we're another team would lose their kicker and all hell would break loose name. Yeah the Patriots Triage find just the right guy who you go. Oh yeah like why didn't I think like why didn't any team just grabbing whoever problem who has a problem there and in addition to that he's GonNa Oh to be in a winning environment like my prediction is they'll get the best out of him and they will be solid in the tell you where it could plan last year when the Patriots choose played the chiefs in foxborough where they didn't punt one time that's why they won the game by what three points that's the difference literally in these type of giveaway that category the NFL field goal percentage career-leader something. That's GonNa take a little time you know. I don't think it's GonNa whatever processes not click right away. We're going to have some some awesome chemistry to find and it's had to get out there and get our feet. Wet a little bit too. I think it's GonNa be fun once again. we got guys that are capable of doing a lot of things with that basketball. put them all on one floor at the same time. I think gives us an advantage. You got you got some hall of fame players out there too so I think the sky's the limit for descru- don't count on the dubs. The warriors gave Daniel Russell a four year one hundred seventeen point three million dollar deal as a part of a sign and trade with the Brooklyn Nets back in July the guard could replace some of the lost production resulting from Kevin durant departure will also be key until Klay Thompson recovers from his torn. ACL which won't be until at least the all-star star break Max. You think it'll be the perfect fit with the dubs no did they did a very good job to get them because they're going to lose Kevin Durant for nothing they turn that into a young and during his crime very nice player so good for them they need him because no Klay Thompson for at least most of the season and by the way Claes injury is not something that everyone just recovers from one hundred percent. That's actually a difficult thing to overcome not as bad as what K. D. had but I I hope the best for him and I think he'll do it I- rooting for him to do it but that's far from a certainty so good picking up the Ngelo Russell but Stephen Not only do not believe the things they're saying about Russell. I don't believe that things are saying about his future with the team. He does not seem to fit in with this team. The Angela Russell's not a great spot up three point shooter. He can do it okay but he really is better off the bounce right and and his value got blown up last year because of his usage rate with vert went down he became the starting point guard. He's wanting pick and roll all the time right. Who's going to be running? The pick and roll in Golden Golden State is going to be mostly Diangelo Russel or mostly Steph with his crime partner draymond green because the two of them as well as anyone in nick history of basketball ball so he doesn't do the thing that Klay really does on a very high level does it on an okay level he can do some of the things that are redundant that Steph curry does but Steph does it much better. He's not a great defender. He is clearly a trading chit. He is a guy who's GonNa hold it down and Clay Thompson's absence so they can make the playoffs but in the long long run that's not a future with golden state and on top of all that Steven. This is a dude who's will cain pointed out on this show. It's not just that he tried to get some weed through air port security. He put it in the one place that they are obligated to check which is a liquid bottle of water bottle like this is not the kind of head that's going to fit in the locker room in Golden State. I don't see it as a culture fit. I don't see it as an on the floor fit long long term. I think they're just gassing everyone to pump up his value because eventually they're going to flip them. I think you're wrong and I think you're wrong but the primary reason I don't I don't agree with you because I think you're married to what you have seen and you're not giving a champion of five time Western Conference conference champion and a three-time. NBA Champion over the last five years enough credit to make an adjustment either the organization is great or it's not what either Steve Kerr is a great coach or he's not either Steph. Curry is a great point. God Not just a great shooter that we've ever seen and one of the most unselfish superstars that we've ever seen or not and then we take into account the Ngelo Russell and I'm GonNa do something on national TV right here that most people wouldn't expect from me make I'm GonNa look at the Angelo Russell and I'm going to give him the benefit of the doubt and I'm going to sit up there so we're going to ignore your past transgressions with Swaggie Iggy Tale Yeah. We're GONNA know your transgressions with the we try to get it through Laguardia Airport Security and all of that okay and what we're going to remember instead is a point guard coming out of Ohio state that was revered for this as a floor general when he needs to be and then we're going to remember that the Brooklyn Nets without Kevin durant without Kyrie Irving one forty two games last year and was led by whom that Guy Twenty one point seven assist-per-game thirty six percents from three point range made some big shots made some big top plays was also all stopped and then we're going to take this into account culturally. He was an alternate because all the people got hurt absolutely correct now. We're GONNA take into account what we're talking about him walking into this do I can't shoot from the perimeter a marksman ale no not to the degree of Steph Curry Klay Thompson we get that but he is somebody that will facilitate the marksman Monette steph curry is and because of what he's able to bring to the table don't judge de Ngelo Russell by what you see early judge him by the Metro taste judging by the metrication process that takes place combined with imagining what he'll be was Klay Thompson comes back understand what you wasn't getting from an aging Shaun Livingston who ultimately retired from the gape think about the Greyhound that is Willie Cauley Stein who is not in Sacramento the middle anymore now. He's in Golden State. I would tell you in terms of athleticism. This might be the best thing that they had wigger them at at five spot for that and I'm thinking open shots that de Ngelo Russell and the decision making on the court led by Steve Kerr are assisted by steph curry. I like a lot of stuff. I want to respond checkpoints number one. I agree deangelis first of all I like your point about. Let's see what he can become right. In this environment. I said the same thing about about nugent on the Patriots right like let's see what he can become in this environment. He was number two overall pick and let's see what happens. I agree agree with you also that he's going to have value this season. I'm not saying he won't but Stephen Assuming Klay comes back healthy their finite resources on a basketball team Steph Clay Andrey all paid all the nucleus of the team then devote twenty plus million dollars to your number three Gart art because he's going to be the third garden if not shocking about how he's GonNa look on. I'm staying long term. They're talking up long-term. I don't believe that for a second you need to spread those resources around small forward at five not to spend it on a three but what I'm trying to see. This is my problem aw I'm talking basketball. I'm not talk if finance I'm not. I'm not talking about keeping them long term. I'm saying when I'm just just so we know we'll de Ngelo Russell B word. I just want to know my thinking is will he be a perfect fit for the warriors for this. He's just saying I hear what you're saying. A PERFECT A two-way way guard who can play defense shoot two three like if they would have gotten on the Lakers now just came from Toronto originally with I've complaint Danny Green Danny Green would be a very nice fit with this team can hit a big shot can defend multiple positions is dog it on the perimeter. There's as a fit next to steph curry playing with draymond green late. Danny Green would be a perfect fit if he were playing with Steph and clay but but the fact that I'm not look. I'm not no no no I'm saying because Danny Green is not a ball heads and not to say that clay is either but I'm saying that to me. Clay is such an upward version of Dan Green you if you don't have clay I think you need a ball handle who can not only shoot if necessary but could spell it takes Douglas from what I understand. There is some value in that the green shoots better than the Ngelo Russell but that is allow pledged still on the team is usually oh no no no as usual Europe's Livingstone team no and clays her right. Yes and they lost K. D. You know what they just lost perimeter defense all over the place everywhere you look it's gone as usual your knowing that side of the floor de Ngelo Russell. Bring ignoring it for reason. I'm looking get them thinking again. When the question is asked what I'm ultimately imagining is Klay Thompson coming back and how he fits they did not acquire WII Angelo Russell to replace Clay? They acquired the Ngelo Russell to help hold down the fort to some degree so once clay returns in all fits compulsively he will this isn't that will help them make the playoffs. There's no way you'll the Russell. He's a very good passer by the way there's other than the passing. There's no one skill that he has pitched so high belongs long-term on this Dipa. If he's the guy that you have brought there for all the postseason all I'm saying is. Let's imagine him with clay draymond right. That's it I got you right now. Is the perfect fit

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