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"So I was just looking at Mom Senate handsome something. Send him in a text Is just looking at the reporting on Portland last night. Protests in Portland drew the largest crowd in weeks. Last Night fifty three of protests. Some people refer to them as peaceful protests. Some people roof I it as a riots every single night. Well, the pattern is the protest is largely peaceful. Then it gets more violent than the nice people go home and it turns violent every night. It's easy to understand in lecture. The means mainstream media so much the hardly peaceful protests. Video and there's you know there's right and going on. And I was just reading a thing in the new. York Times by a guy who wrote into the New York Times and said look I live. A couple blocks from there, and there are no riots happening I live a couple of blocks from there. I didn't even know what was occurring I. Don't know what you all. All are talking about I. Don't know what trump's talking about so it gets back to the high supposed to figure out what's going on in the world you go on Andy knows twitter feed, and it's nonstop fires in in in battles with the police in rock in windows managing. It's mostly restricted to the COP shops and federal property anything to do with the criminal, Justice System That sort of their smashing up so if you have six blocks away from that, it probably wouldn't affect you at all. But you can't have people throwing explosives at cops with impunity. Text. Line is four, one, five, two, nine, five K. FTC for anybody with any Info on that Matt Taibbi written a brilliant piece entitled the Left is now the right, and he is a lefty, and it is very very good. It's it's fairly long shot I'm still highlighting it Matt Brevity is the soul lewitt brother but it's it's very good. And, we'll cheer some that with you, but in a similar vein. We are. We're going to play this again for ya played it last hour, but it is so good it may be perfect. This is a bit of humor by a fairly well known. New York comedian whose name escapes me again because I failed, jot it down. Ryan Long Ryan Long. Long comedy on twitter, right This is a brief description. A, couple of guys discovering that they are new best friends EFF's. They're both wearing blue t shirts. One says woke. The other says racist, and they've realized that they agree on practically everything for me and Brad I didn't think we'd get along, but turns out. We kind of agree on everything you're racial identity is the most important thing. Everything's should be looked at through the lens of race. Thanks. We both have a lot of opinions about people of Color, even though we barely know any colored people, but as long as we're classifying them, think minorities are united group with the same, enact the same in both the same. You don't WanNa. Lose your blackboard. Sorry. I don't know I just think we should roll back discrimination. Based on race again now you owe me. You told me yesterday. White actors should only do voices for white cartoon character, and saying that for years sticky your own US white people. We have so much privilege I agree, and it's a privilege to be. Wife asked about interracial dating. All I say is that black men who date white women have internalized racism Whiteman date. Ethnic women are fetish izing guys against original dating out like being pranked rumor. Would you up to? Your Taco places white-owned why people should be making white foods, crap, macaroni and cheese, no seasoning, not even salt like he's a mind reader. I mean I've been pushing for segregation forever in my man does what I created an Improv comedy show exclusively for ethnic segregates comedy on my birthday why people need to stop wearing dreadlocks and the stop appropriating music shaved heads and country music to a gun tendon. White. People are racist. I'm listening even if you have a black white for a black friend group, you're still really racist. NEWIES kick out of the Organization for black girlfriend, but if you can promise me still really racist, look into. They're letting him back in. Shopping Black, they says I guess the only thing we really disagree about is I why people are the root of all evil, but what I tell you, though if we can narrow that down to a certain group of tiny added white people I think we can come to an understanding, technically I don't consider Jewish people neither do I. How good is that? Posted at Armstrong and getty dot com watch the video. Send your phone or your friends, the link or whatever? Yeah. It's it's perfect. It's great. I never thought I'd see this resurgence in racism from the left in my lifetime. Well being surprised that keeps me entertained. Tell you what I'm not bored with the world. More afraid of it at this point, but here we go my some of these pictures in the New York. Times from Portland don't look like only peaceful protests now I guess I guess they'd make the argument that they were peaceful protests until trump to strum stormtrooper showed up, and that's when it turned ugly. It's neither only peaceful protests and violent riots. It's neither one of those two exclusives. Happening every night, it goes from one then Canham medium in the other. So why does the whole go ahead? Why does every article I read presented is one or the other. You know the answer question. Yeah Clicking Alex It's an excellent point Shawn. My analysis wandered by nobody, but I will offer it nonetheless. The protesters know exactly what to do and how to do it to bait the cops in responding with violence, they push closer and closer to the federal courthouse. Where the federal protective services are there, they throw more and more rocks and bricks. They fire a mortar style of fireworks in their several fires have already been set to the point where the cops feel like they unless. If you want to see if you want, argue about whether they're right or wrong. That's fine. We can have that argument, but they pushed to the point where the cops say. Oh my God. We've got a clear. And backer will be burned to death, and then they push the protesters back and at that point. Everybody starts with their iphone camera saying. Guts laviolette ups. It's a Game Sean that the Ryan Long has another comedy piece where he says he he films. These rally riot protests things, and he can only sell half the footage to the liberal or liberal media and half the footage to the conservative media. Nobody wants all of it. Wow, that is something i. tell you what Dude is spot on. That is something. This a man called Mike Baker reporting in the New York Times has got a pretty good thing. It's starting to get national attention. The East Coast is figured out. They've been rioting in Portland for fifty three straight days, but anyway he's got video. Attach meanwhile, a guy farting in Manhattan makes the headlines. And regressive sent. I wouldn't read beyond the first paragraph on that story probably. Think I get the gist of it. He's got video accompanying each one of these tweets, I spent the night on the streets of Portland last night, witnessing the growing protests in response to the presence of federal troops. Here's what I saw by nine thirty. There were probably about two thousand people in front of the Justice Center in downtown Portland. With moms and yellow lined up in front, stretching across a whole block. The Wall of moms led the march through the streets and back toward the federal courthouse. If you matter and you know it, clap your hands. They were chanting soon after. After around midnight, things became less peaceful as protesters, and this is the now he's got video attached each one of these as I said now you're seeing Tear gas and things being thrown and all that sorta stuff and I don't know what tear gas in what's fireworks from the protesters? I don't know which is which looking at this. As protesters kicked the courthouse facade, someone inside opened a window and dropped the I tear gas canister of the night. Troops rushed out aggressively throwing people to the ground, tear-gas firing, less lethal weapons. The feds cleared the front of the courthouse after troops went back inside at two am. Protesters lit a fire targeted the courthouse facade. Again officers came back out to disperse them, then moved through the streets, using tear gas and less lethal to push the crowds back away again. Why be interested to get together with some of my friends, people admire who are way left. And just go through the mental exercise of. Do We let the folks burn down the federal courthouse in then what? What would be an appropriate response? Would you handle that? If you in power and you know, I'm not trying to trap them or or make him look foolish or anything. I would like to hear them explain. Where do we go from there? Where for instance Ted Wheeler in Portland is allowing people to try to torch the federal courthouse. Well? That's what James Lindsay plan was remember I mentioned this a couple of weeks ago. He said the only way we can get a handle on this as if you get everybody on the record, saying this would be too much so that when we get there. People are on the record. Having said this was a line. You draw. Oh, I. See what you're saying. We have serve this. If this statue got taken down, that would be crossing the line if building got burnt down. If this whatever right you know, make people politicians. Journalists, whatever be on the record saying well, that would be crossing the line because he thinks we're going to get to these places, yes. there. There's no there are no breaks on this right now right where somebody tries to set fire to the capital or whatever? And then they're on the record, having said though for instance, Ted Wheeler if. If they tried to Burn Down City Hall Ten wheelers on the record saying well. Of course, we couldn't let people down city. Hall right. You have them in print saying that well I'm seeing things. I thought I'd never see already like in Chicago I'm ninety percent certain. This footage was from Chicago, but there's a as these on protected cops I mean. These are just cops in their uniforms. No helmets no riot gear. No nothing are peacefully protecting this fountain in Chicago. in in the mob starts hurling rocks and bottles, and all sorts of stuff Adam, and an aerial of drone or two helicopter shows a guy dumping out a bag of paving stones. And people rushing and grab paving stones in each hand, and then you see these big rocks bricks flying at these cops were totally unprotected. And the fact that the city of Chicago didn't go nineteen sixty eight convention and send out a Phalanx. Cops to just clear the park and get rid of people who are you could absolutely charge somebody with attempted murder for firing brick at somebody's head beyond question, you could charge. Maybe not get a conviction, but you'd get them on something so the fact that Chicago's just permitting this Portland just permitting Seattle, just letting it go. I, never thought I would see this day. I don't want to be guilty of doom scrolling, but we ought to check in on the back to school battle as in California, for instance, the Governor says schools need to be closed in the bunch of people are fighting and trying to figure out a legal way to open the schools and Florida got the opposite situation where the governor says, schools need to be open and a whole bunch of teachers unions, and whatever are filing lawsuits to try to get the schools close Oh. Boy, so it goes back and forth. We'll check in on the latest in that way. And getting. The. Armstrong and getty show. Effort to be more environmentally conscious I. Kim has announced it will begin offering plant based Swedish meatballs. That should really hit the spot as you walk your way through their fifty thousand square foot tree graveyard. Funny Line. Is Twenty one. There are some level of belief that those meatballs usually got a little Mr Editor. Little Secretary. What little Polo ponies one time. What one time somebody found a horseshoe in their their meatballs. How that would hurt. So on the the the the school, the subject of kids going back to school is is important to me. I mean it's one of the more important things going on in our household. If you have kids in school, it is. It's huge. It's absolutely huge. Here's another one of these. The, prestigious National Academies of Science, engineering and medicine are the latest issue report calling for in person instruction, saying remote learning is simply ineffective for younger and Special Needs Students that echoes last month Ciller advisory from the American Academy of Pediatrics which usually lefties just love. Oh Yeah, the American Academy of Pediatrics the always almost always on the left of every issue, and the and the and the media treats them like it's you know the pope sonnet whenever they say something, but on this one and we just kind of ignore it. Weighing the health risks against the educational risks, the report says school district should prioritize reopening schools full time especially for grades through five and students with special needs. Well he's in clearly true. You get more and more people that are about education and I don't include the teachers, unions and being about education, and why would I but people that are about education about health? Seemed to practically universally agree that schools have to be open yet there yet. They aren't going to be note. That is a failure of policy I would say. That's frustrating and I don't even have little kids at this point in my life but it's just. This the stress both emotional and economic that this is gonNA cost. Having the schools closed the in just enormous for a lot of families. This paper goes on to say engaged grades K. through three children are still developing the skills to regulate their own behavior, emotions and attention, therefore struggle with distance learning, of course, sure of course. And as I need to say every time, this comes up. It didn't work. It wasn't even close to okay all right, not even close and we all know that If it was even if half as good as regular school. It would have been amazing, but it wasn't half as good. Yeah. I know a kindergarten teacher and and I will just. I would not want to speak for that person, but the level of skepticism that it can be pulled off at all worth a damn is quite high. Can you imagine trying to engage that age group? No remotely nine. Keep them engaged and get them to learn. And this year with a whole bunch of students you've never met and and and they haven't met you 'cause it works from both sides. See of no relationship, no personal relationship right only through a screen. It's going to be. It's going to be. I'm guessing it's going to be worse than it was last year. I'm. Well as we've discussed many times last year, it was continuing on with a group of students. You already knew knew there needs. You could relate to him the rest of it now. It's A. Twenty five faces. We have no idea who these people are and knowing. You have no idea if that's the you know, the kid that's really good at math doesn't need much help. That's a kid down there that struggled with this or that. You have no idea and there'd be no way to figure it out. and you know we joked in the past when this first started, and it all seemed kind of funny. All this stuff seemed kinda funding the beginning. None of it's funny more. but Jogi, and we'll have a whole generation of kids that signed their name with an X. Well. That isn't going to happen, but we're definitely you know. We're coming up on the point where you're going to have a generation that that missed a chunk of education like that's just not going to get made up, right? Do we add a thirteenth grade before kids off to college? Because it's everybody? That's the funny thing I mean I. Keep Thinking of okay. This generation of third graders will be a year behind, but wait so are the second first kindergarteners. Everybody is just going to be a year or more because we don't know when this is. GonNa Behind, so you already have colleges saying. Kids get to freshman year. They can't read. They are not prepared for college. It's shocking the. You know the bad job. A lot of public schools are doing these days and or parents. You know honestly let the families off the hook. There are many families were learning in knowledge and education are not valued in the poor teachers have to try to make up for that anyway, but if kids are already unprepared for college. What's going to be like after this is over? We'll right, so they missed. Period so you missed half of third grade last year, and you're going to just start with fourth grade this year. No, you got to catch them up somehow well. If you miss half of fourth grade tonight, naive missed a whole year. I think he got to add another year in there to get caught up, or you'll be there your freshman year of college six times seven equals forty two. Let's think of a word that starts with K. At school at College. College no Jimmy No. College starts with a C. Jenny. And College. Jimmy just said college. It still wrong. Where do people come? We're the we're the Kovin generations beggared me your. Armstrong and getty. To get a great deal on a new car when you get approved for an auto loan from Penn.. Our powered by truecar rates are as low as one point. Three nine percent APR on new vehicles finance for a long term to lower your monthly bill plus take up to sixty days to schedule your first payments join Penn Fed and together. We'll keep you moving forward. Anyone can apply visit pem dot org slash auto or call one, eight, hundred, two, four, seven, five, sixty, six to perceive advertise product. You must become a member of pen fed insured by NCUA. The Armstrong, and getty show. Does it have to get in Los Angeles before you feel compelled to issue another state at home order sure well I think we're on the brink of that. It's not just what's open and closed. It's also about what we do. Individually. It's about the people who are getting together outside of their households with people. They might know it might be. Their extended family might be friends. They might think because they gotTA tests two weeks ago that it's okay, but it's not. Mayor Garcetti of Los Angeles, saying we're on the brink of closing back down. Stay at home order that's the yet don't get to go anywhere unless you're going to work or the grocery store, and only essential businesses are open that we where we were back in late. March right where you have to have a pass to move out the streets in theory in theory, I never carried my pass on every out pulled over to your pulled over I. had a tattoo artist replicated in it on my chest, also legally by the way. Tattoos her, you know. Not permitted so any businesses that didn't get wiped out the first time around. We'll get wiped out this time around. It will take generations to recover from some of this. Holy Crap. I'm just got a text from. Tim Tim Sanfer. Case that the Goldwater Institute is taken up. As a Marine is joining four other law-abiding Chicago. Area residents who've teamed up with the Goldwater Institute to sue the State of Illinois. So they can have now gone. It is their second alright second amendment. Right to have a gun C-. Got Chicago just going Berserk. And, you decide I gotta get a gun I mean. The unrest is to the point now I. Don't know what it's going to get to my neighborhood I need to get a gun state. Illinois says nine now you're not well. They say you can apply. It's we're right, and it's supposed to first of all the fact that they get up to thirty days before they can say you have a gun should be. BE UNCONSTITUTIONAL TO START WITH, but they're not even a meeting their own standard, as it's taking sixty ninety or longer days now to get somebody the little piece of paper. You've got to have before you get exercise your second amendment. Right when they're people. Shooting each other. Outside your door, so you have to apply for a constitutional right and then wait months wall estate decides whether to grant to you or not. Meanwhile you get that horrific story in Lewes, where the ancient immutable right to defend yourself in your property has been called into question by an utterly corrupt, far left the county prosecutor district prosecutor there the mcclosky family. Angry protesters bust down a gate, come onto their property and they. They stood there on the front porch with gun saint. Do not come any closer now. They're being charged with brandishing weapons. They will not be convicted those charges, or if they are, they'll immediately be pardoned and. You know, go fund me. We'll take care of their legal bills because it's so. In. A breach of the constitutional rights. It's just unreal to me that these things are happening. But they are so. Is that a political gesture to charge them? Yeah, this chick is way left. She's like The the remember the Fox lady and Chicago will let Jesse small at go home. She makes her look like Barry Goldwater. Yes she's. She's like a a far left to be LM. activist. Hey, different topics we're not doing scrolling on Tesla, is on the verge of making an end the S. and P. Five hundred. It stock is just. Elon Musk said Tesla stock was probably too high half its current value ago. Wow, it has just exploded and and analysts seem to think it's. It's more about the branding well, it's definitely. More about the branding at this point, then just their actual productivity Tesla's now worth more than Toyota think about that. What's the comparison production or Toyota makes thirty times as many cars as Tesla to three times as many thirty thirteen times as many not to mention the such an established brand that you know is not going anywhere anytime soon and with your electric cars. At least in theory, you always gotta worry somewhat is that you know if I buy this? Is this going to be worth anything in five years will they stopped making them? Will you still be able to get a battery? All these sorts of things sure not true with a Toyota truck. But. It's just astounding, but it's. It's believed that he's. He's got the mantle of Of just the aura that comes with this is about the future, this is about. Battery Technology in a new way. This is about electric cars finally taking off, this is about you know. The space program factors in even if it's not Tesla and SPACEX. Gusted Elon Musk right right. And if it makes it into the S. and P., five hundred of course, anybody that's got index fund is a is a tesla stockholder. At that point, you know what I don't know after all my years of and I've probably heard this in forgotten it. But how do they assembly s and P five hundred? I mean it sound like the fortune. Five hundred are the five hundred biggest I think they try to balance it somehow. Flex, the market is hard. There's there's some judgment involved. It's not to yet. Nonetheless I mean it's amazing that the company with one thirtieth, the production of Toyota would be. Considered that interesting. Yeah, Oh, Hey, speaking of the future, and that sort of thing cyber trucks really want yeah, no kidding with the unbreakable windows broken. The bad luck. All speaking of the future coming up during the next segment. Positive Sean uncovered this. It's a computer expert from one thousand, nine, hundred, seventy four. Predicting, the future of computing and dude was pretty oppression in in. It's it's fun. It's interesting and kind of cool. Hear that voice from the past, so we'll play that for you and just if you ever get to what you're, don't choice, says about your personality, or whatever that was. That would be ice cream flavored. Didn't get to that because well, it's stupid. And we try not to do stupid things. Do you want to know about the S. and P. Five hundred? As we've said for years? Yes, in just a moment as we said for years, you know what reveals your personality. Your personality does if you're loud belligerent, but you eat the ice cream of the quiet and demure. Blizzard. Yes what about the s? P Five Hundred Positive Sean, so Each company is selected by a committee. They rebalanced the index quarterly, and to qualify for the index. A company must be in the United States have an unadjusted market cap of at least eight point two billion. That's a that's as far as I know. Your company is worth eight point. Two billion all-stock stock included okay interesting. You have since five hundred a much much much much much much much much much better reflection of the economy as a whole than the than the Dow industrials but because the Dow is old and journalists are stupid. That's the one they give you every day. I gotTa admit I thought Tesla's dead co back. I thought they were hurting. I thought they were probably dead now. Okay, that didn't work. Nice, try you move the ball down the field for electric cars, but you're not making a meeting, your production goals and the rest of it. Blah Blah Blah leadership, matters and Elon. Musk is a unique talent african-american Yulon mosque. Came from south, Africa. He dated amber heard for a while I'd forgotten that so Johnny Depp's Oh lady. You're thinking. The timeline is after she and Johnny. DEPP SPLIT UP Yeah I. Think Yulon was the rebound after either he attacked her. She attacked him and he cut off her finger or the. Right DEP DEP. Not Mazda does she ended up with Elon Musk has just a little rebound. Fling it so the texts that came out yesterday they part of the big trial, going on, London, so the texts came out yesterday, showing that Elon Musk and amber herd were in more of a relationship than he led on, and he texted her at one point that I am willing to provide. He was he was angry, not angry. He was disappointed and sad that she had ghosted him. He just she just disappeared on him well and wouldn't respond anything and he texture at some point or emails earned, says they. You know I understand what's going on with with Johnny Depp and I would be willing to. Provide twenty four seven security for you even if you have no interest in dating me anymore, don't ever WanNA speak to me. I just want to do that. just this sort of thing you can do when you're a billionaire. Yeah, girl, freeze! Take me back, please if you I mean. That's a big swing in Richard Move Right there. I can provide you twenty four seven security against your new crazy boyfriend. If you'd like even if you're not interested in me, it's the sort of thing is so little money to a guy like me or I could do that and if Johnny Depp I dunno throws a wine bottle at you again or anything I'll. I'll strengthen. Rocket blasted myspace. Passes out with ice cream on his crotch or whatever I'll send them to Mars duct tape on the top of my big rocket. Big Felton rocket. He can't bother you on Mars canny. And I could send him there because he law Moscow. The Armstrong and getty show. The. CDC just announced that. The number of people infected with coronavirus is probably two to thirteen times higher than the reported cases to thirteen now. That's a range of pending on the region. But double to thirteen times doubles pretty impressive, yes, and interesting. Well depending on how long your antibodies and t cells everything else last year resistance, how long that lasts the findings suggests that large numbers of people who did not have symptoms or did not seek medical care may have kept the virus circulating in their communities. This is the largest study of its kind to date. Well if they do indeed develop fairly long term, immunity, or not immunity, but resistance I read medical authorities talking about you know how those aren't quite interchangeable, but anyway. That could be very good. We could be getting close to the tipping point where the virus will not be able to find a host before it dies. In in the spread will cease. We don't need her immunity. We just need that tipping point. What were you doing in nineteen, seventy, four, predicting the future? Probably not assuming you were born in a lot of you weren't born yet, so. Short pants thrown baseball's around a field in Clarendon Hills Illinois. That was intentionally jiving. So is this. We're about to hear from here Sean. This is just a interview. I found just. This random clip didn't describe who these people were I don't know who what? Organization this reporter works for, but he is interviewing a man, and they are in what used to be. What computers were at the time I? It's essentially the size of a room or a desk. Whatever right Oh big room full of worrying machine. Yeah, I was actually in one of those in the fairly seventies. Yeah, and you'll be able to. That's the noise you hear in. This is all the computing going on in the background in the interview. Actually the video picks up right around here. My son Jonathan doing the two thousand and one. I am now. Maybe he will be better adjusted finding. Will the Joel try to try? The big difference when he grows up in value, we wanted to wait for the year two thousand he you'll have. In his own house, another big as a spot at least. A console which you can talk. To his friends, the only information meets everyday life bank statements. Is Her reservations all the? Information you need the costume fitting in our. Society. This'LL BE IN A. Comeback for me in his own house. You'd never television screen each year. And the keyboard you'll talk to the computer getting regime from it and he'll take. This mushroomed around his retail. I wonder. What would it be locked in social terms? Our whole life is built around the computer. Computer dependant society and get her independent individuals in some ways, but they're also enrich us on, because it will make it possible to live anywhere we like. Any, businessmen executive could live. Anywhere on Earth, and so do his business sure a device like this, and this is a wonderful it means we wanted to be stuck in cities. Live out in the country over wherever threes and still county on can be interaction with human beings. As, well as on the computers. that pipe may happen at some point. Well. I, it's amazing in the things that he got exactly right and in the things that he missed. We will all hate each other and ourselves. We will all discover that computer interaction won't be nearly as nourishing as real interaction and will become embittered in lonely. And Kill ourselves in record numbers. Oh, which is true? And I've noticed this a lot with particularly with people going back, listening to people predicting computers and they almost always. Kind of just hand wave aside concerns about it and I think this is. You wouldn't be at the tip of the spear of computer innovation. If you got so worried to the point of the concerns that it just parallel, you almost have to dismiss those aside. Focus on well. No, no, this is going to change the way the work goes. Do. You think it's they realize the downside and it so that they can work on their stuff or do we just have a tendency as human beings to assume that any invention is going to be a good thing I think it's more the latter. I don't think there's analysis to it, but I think it's a human conditioning trick of well. No, no, that's of course will do that on balance of course the thing. Thing that I am working on, we'll do more than harm. No I you know I'm I believe the Internet has done more harm than good at this point I'd be for unplugging it and go pre internet, but maybe it'll balance out over time. I don't know perhaps by the year two thousand one when my son is the age I am now, interviewers think let's not conduct the interview in a really freaking lounge. With so much background noise. It's a strain to hear. If the Internet had stopped at ordering your theater tickets online and telling you, the weather is fine, right? What the Fella and again he very will be in the palm of your hand. Both palms as it were the one thing that he did not get is present as he was there a couple of things he didn't get. Is the idea of our computer constantly reaching out to US constantly saying hey joe. Joe Louis Joe see this. Joe. Here's some video Joe. In while you, buddy wants to talk to you. Joe Hey somebody else's literally. Your wife is online. Do you WanNa? Make your move in the game. You play with her. Hey, hey, hey, all day long. And that our brains are are designed over evolution throughout evolution to be really susceptible to that sort of thing, right exactly right, it used to be you know twice a day. Hey, Joe. There's a sabertooth tiger. Six and a half hours later a Joe. This berries are. Good maybe. Put all day long pairs perfectly with my sabertooth tiger stakes exactly. Getting. Around and confront the beast and Rizla to the ground and re `bout one of his fans. Have this, very. Very would there been a tremendous amount of just sitting around back then Oh, yeah. he always on the hunt for food. So hard to get food. He spent all day long gone through. Bush's trying to find through well considering that back in that day there may have been one fat guy on earth, but probably not doubt throw a fact. You probably sat around for an hour or two. After you know you'd, you'd kill the Sabertooth. Tiger and eaten. It's delicious mate. Hey, jared! There's some of those chalk drawings you do. I love those go. Chase down the tiger. Here's the one that's both a vase and two women looking at each other here. Watch this But then you, you grab a little bag time you sleep there around the campfire. When he had keep an eye out for the saber, toothed tigers, brother, who's WHO's pretty pissed at this point, and then you get up in the morning, star, hunting and gathering again, so I don't think there'd be a lot of sitting around time on the other hand there. In What was what was the book that was so great about primitive societies? That I read recently, it's the one with the whale. No, it's not moby Dick. On. The point is there is a lot of time of just working at a very leisurely pace. Tribes Best Younger lot of very leisurely paced stuff, because as long as you had a pretty good idea, you're going to be even a blanket. Or even a blanket again today Gal sit around weaving grind acorns up, and that sort of thing the fellas go out looking for an antelope. Only need is an antelope. When will we decide? We've got enough. Blankets is what I wonder anyway get back to. We've and my blanket well back in the day. When when virtually all humans were nomadic, you wouldn't want more than you could carry, so there's no need to not only. was there no need to accumulate wealth? It would be insane. So. It was subsistence. Just get fed nearly hanging around a current new theory that the Agricultural Revolution was the worst thing that happened to human beings. And it's built around the idea that prior to that, we didn't have the the The ability to exploit labor and Blah Blah Blah. Blah Blah all right. To that we didn't have hot pockets, the defense rests a you know I get that, and it's a compelling argument and an interesting topic on the other hand. People were walking around with sores and dying of tooth aches. You know be set by beasts in the rest of it. You, know you the slightest health problem I. Kill you. Half your kids survive. I mean it wasn't exactly heaven. No But nonetheless it's it's an interesting expectancy was probably twenty eight. Yeah! Those. Numbers are skewed so far down because of how dangerous challenge birth was yeah, true that now on the other hand warfare was unspeakable, brutal, more, yeah, and and nearly constant. So you got that working against you Jane Nice Anyway. I. Guess I'll stay in the modern world. I've built a time machine. It only goes forward at normal speed here climbing. That's good stuff you get next hour. We'll bring it speed on some more stuff. You don't check the PODCAST ARMSTRONG AND GETTY DOT COM. And Getty.
Joy Overload! The science of tickles and cuteness
"You're listening to brain We're we're serious about being curious brains on supported him part by a grant from the National Science Foundation. I really need a good laugh. I wish I could just tickle myself but that never works nope there's gotTa be another way. I got a fake moustache. Nothing that usually makes people laugh. Oh how `bout come here you banana cream pie with expert whipped cream pie in the face. Never not funny okay. Three two messy delicious but also note to self. Try a little pickle juice in the next pie. This one is a little too Bonani. Wait bananas the banana. Peel slip and fall. That never fails. Just toss this peel on the ground and take a few steps back until I can't see the banana peel. Now Walk like I don't have a care in the world mark. Ooh The bag of flour. Oh Yeah Mark. Are you okay? Oh Hey Manica yeah. I'm fine foul. Whatever you're doing in here it sure is funny really. Yeah just look at yourself in the mirror. I mean you're wearing a fake moustache you've got all over your face and you're covered in flour. Look there's crust in my hair dandruff taste though thanks mark. I really needed a good laugh. Radio welcome to brains on. I'm Ali Blue. And my co host. Today is coco from Minneapolis High Cocoa. Hi Molly how are you? I'm good it's pleasure to talk to you today. So this episode is a double feature of giggles and adorable nece. I think all of us could use a cuteness overload fright about net. Yes I definitely could so I? We're talking tickling so cocoa. I WANNA know. Are you ticklish? I'm kind of ticklish. But Not really have. You always not been really ticklish. Agnello so tell me what you did. You start being less ticklish Maybe when like I learned more things to like not be ticklish against so tell me what things you learn to not be ticklish. I tried to hold my breath so you found that when you hold your breath. You don't really get tickled when someone tickles you. Yeah you can't really laugh when you're holding your breath so so when you were younger. Did you like like being tickled or not? Sometimes I like being tickled but sometimes I didn't. Yeah I do not like being tickled. I have not learned the tricks you have and I don't care for it. We've gotten a lot of questions about tickling. But there's one tickling related question that a lot of you want to know the answer to Patterson why why when other people calling you. It tickles on Youtube for yourself. It does glide to you laugh. Other people took for you. But you don't you yourself. I question is. Why can't we took place out? That was grace from Halifax Nova Scotia. Amelia from Wales Clayton and Marcus from Toronto and Keeton Henry from Clarendon Hills Illinois and. We had a different kind of producer. Investigate this for us. I'll just say she is a skin receptors. So a nerve cell in your skin that sends his touch Molly Coco. I'm so glad you called. I have been wondering this. Same thing for ages. Why can't we tickle ourselves? I had a hunch was behind this. We are so excited here about it but can you introduce yourself i. Oh of course I'm Marley. I'm a skin receptor. I sit in your skin and get signals from the outside world maybe tomato sauce. Splashes onto your face when you're serving spaghetti or a fly lands on your ear skin receptors like me census things then we tell the nurse were connected to we send a message down the line. That's our job okay. That's our job but me I get Gary about things you might call me inquisitive and I've noticed something interesting when I send messages about touches you've done to yourself. So yes tickling yourself or self tickle as I like to call it those messages. These seem to get a little lost now that you can't feel them you can but the strength of the message does not get through so like you cheated in Henry. I needed to know why I I called a friend. He's a nerve cell in the spinal cord since he's farther up the chain. I thought he'd be able to help. Oh Hi Marley. How's it going? Listen Kevin I'm looking into some messages that I suspect are being intercepted so when I sent a message about a touch. Do you know where it goes. Well your skin receptor sends the outside world. I you send a signal to unnerve and nerves. Basically strings of special cells. Let send messages throughout your body then eventually most nerves lead to the spinal cord. That's where I am. It's a big bundle nurse. It wraps up the back through the backbones any way of using a signal. There everyone I know is pretty much just thinks along soon billions of receptors like me and send messages to other nerves those nerves send messages to you all at the spinal cord then what from the spinal cord messages. Go Straight to the brain. What kind of message does he think are being lost? Kevin? I can't get I have to go but this is so helpful. Thank you so much. I promise to fill you in later. Sounds to me like signal. Stay loud and clear until they get to one place the brain like I said I had a hunch I sought the brain might be behind this but who to ask? The brain is notoriously busy. No time to talk. I went to the next best thing a person with a really smart brain. Her name is Martha Flanders. I found her in neuroscience lab at the University of Minnesota Metal Minnesota Medical School I studied the Samantha sensory system which which means How we get information from receptors in the skin to the brain perfect. We have to have some sort of sense. All the time of what's going on out there okay. The sense of what's going on up there me and other receptor cells. We provide that information by sending signals. About what body is feeling which is obviously very important and your keeps track of the kind of sensory input. You should expect from your own movement. So there's a difference between self movement and movement from other places for the brain. At least I was under the impression that all touches or sensory inputs. Carry the same weight. A tackle is a tackle. It is to me at least as a skin center. But that's maybe not true for the brain when you tickle yourself. Your nervous system has cancelled out the sensory input that was produced by you. Cancel with the brain. Cancel our valuable information because your nervous system expected that pattern of sensory input because you produced it. So a self tickle to me a skin receptor. It's still seems like news. Since I had no part in creating the movement the brain on the other hand it does anticipate the self tickle since it commanded the hand to tickle in the first place and so the brain intercepts the message coming from me. It's the brain that's quieting signals of touches. You do to yourself just as I suspected. Apparently canceling out. Self tickles is a way to keep you alert. It helps you pay attention to touches. That are important like bugs landing on you or other people bumping into you in the end tickling yourself is predictable for your brain. It's not important but someone else tickles. You you've had no way to anticipate that and tickling a such a you know An interesting signal that you would have no way to see that coming. Well as a skin receptor cell. I have no way to see anything coming. Not just because I have no is but also because the brain is keeping all kinds of information to itself. But I don't have time to stew over this. I have to call Kevin and fill him. I'll talk to you all later. So tickling yourself is it really a thing but typically other people definitely is hello. My name is Amelia from Green Ohio. And my question is why do we laugh and more tickled? We wanted to know more about that. So we called up Susan Lebedko. She studies how our brains handle pain at the University of California at San Diego. Welcome Susan Hi Cocoa so I have a couple questions for you go for it. I on is. How does pain connect with laughter or tickling our skin has receptors that feel a lot of different sensations so one of them is light? Touch like tickle feather something brushing against your skin and another one is for pain and these receptors are all different from each other and they send information to the brain so you know what you're feeling and then once it gets to the brain all of these things are sent to an area called the somatic sensory cortex and this part of the brain helps us make sense of all of this incoming information from our skin and even like the inside of our knows anything. We're we're feeling a touch. But the difference when you're being tickled versus when you're feeling pain is another part of the brain is activated. And when you're tickled an area called the anterior cingulate. Gyrus is also activated and this part of the brain is important for pleasure and positive reinforcement which means if we do something that we like. We keep doing it. And so- tickling activates this part of the brain and tells us that this is a good stimulus and it's not something that we need to be scared of and that causes us to laugh so let's signals do neurons. Send to the brain. When you're getting tickled yeah so this goes back to those receptors. That are in the skit and so those are neurons and neurons are our brain cells but also the cells that make up the nerves that go to the rest of our body and they send what are called action potentials back to the brain through relay of neurons and so these are little electrical signals that tell the cells that are active and they make the excel active and so on and so on and so these little electrical activity in certain neurons are what allows our brain to understand. What's going on you know in an area so far away like our fingertips are are feet. That's very cool. Way some parts of the body. More ticklish others. This is a really interesting question. We would want to say we'll maybe there's more of these receptors in areas. That are ticklish. But that's not always true. Think of your fingertips. We have really sensitive fingertips. They feel a lot of things very well but they're not actually very ticklish. So some scientists think that the areas of our body the most ticklish like our under arms and our fee Our stomach are actually the areas of our body that we need to protect the most and some neuro. Scientists think that tickling is a way for us to learn which parts of our body needs to be protected. In case you know a threat came into play that since we're kids and we're learning to do these things it's more of a fun thing but eventually it'll help us. Can you train yourself not to be ticklish? I I'm pretty ticklish person so I hope that it's a yes. One other related question. That is really important to understanding. This is why. Can't we tickle ourselves and this is because there's an area of the brain called the Sara Bellum that helps us plan and execute our motor movements? And so when? You're trying to tickle yourself. You're Sara Bellum realized that your arm is moving towards your underarm or your foot or something and it cancels out the tinkler signals. That are coming from that area because it saying Oh. I'm doing this myself. So one strategy for being less. Ticklish is if someone's coming in trying to tickle you you can actually put your hand on their hand and it helps your brain realize there's something coming. I know where it's coming from. And then maybe you'll feel a little less ticklish when it actually happens. Wow Wow I know. It's a really cool field to think about how your brain is doing. All of these things. He Eh Hell. If people studied tailing probably the very first thing as we did a lot of observations. Scientists looked at people. Different types of people. How ticklish they were where they were ticklish. And then there's also been other really cool studies we can look at primates like monkeys and apes and then also one more recent study has shown that even rats like to be tickled. So we've been able to also look at animals to understand how tickling works. What do like rats and like those other animals do. And they're being tickled they actually laugh and they enjoy the experience. They run around in their little enclosure. They come back to the experimenters hands. Because they want to be tickled again. But it's really interesting because they do seem to laugh the way Human does thank you Susan. Thank you coco home now. A tickle for your eardrums itself cocoa you are very ready for this mystery sound. I know because that's digger. We just heard the mystery sound. Stinger that place every time we do the mystery zone. That is actually Your Voice. Yes it is. How old were you when you recorded that I think goes like four? Oh my goodness longtime ago. And we've been on for so long because Your Dad Mark Sanchez. Works on this show. Yes he does. Are you ready for the mystery? So yes I am I right here. It is like three guesses. Tell me your guesses a radio. Somebody running or an airplane K. A. Radio somebody running or an airplane. I like those very vast and diverse answers. While you're going to have another chance to hear it and again in just a bit bad brains on before we close out the tickle tastic part of this episode one more thing it has to do with a few get tickled like a lot And you laugh really really really hard you have to start to pay or you might even p. Here's what's up with that phenomenon high. I am Reno Malik and I am a doctor that takes care of the kidneys the ureter and the bladder so basically everything that makes urine is something that I take care of and I'm the plumber of all that so I fix anything. What's wrong with the plumbing? Here are the basics of that plumbing. So bladder is like a big balloon. That's inside your pelvis right in the lower part of your belly and that's where you hold urine so when you drink and eat your body processes all the fluid and all the nutrients that your body they go through your kidneys. Which are these two little Mike on either side of your back? And then they go down. These little tubes called Yoder's and urine goes down those tubes and into this balloon like structure this sack essentially. And that's what holds your pete so that's called the bladder and the bladder is connected to the outside of your body by the eerie thrust. That's where up from that's called your Eureka and inside the aretha there are what's called sprinters and these are muscles that contract or squeeze to keep your urine in so Tariq your piece starts in your two kidneys than Bush. It travels down to two tubes called yours than splash. Two tubes dumped the urine into the bladder where waits until zoom disfigure opens in the urine flies through the urethra and into the world. You actually also have other stricter muscles that have to do with pauline and swallowing different muscles. Same name singer anyway. Your brain help squeezed these muscles to keep the brakes on and stop you from pene if you don't want to and when your bladder gets full it sends an urge to your brain which takes off the brakes. That usually happens when you're in the bathroom ready. So that's a normal situation in a typical situation. When you're laughing you actually increase the pressure in your belly. So you're laughing so hard that increases the pressure on your bladder or that sack of urine and at the same time you're sprinter can weaken a little bit or that tight muscle can relax a little bit allowing some urine to leak out so there you go laughter kind of pushes on your bladder. So it's a good idea to take a break from tickling to take some of that pressure off your bladder. Spare shorts never heard anybody either. We know a lot of you are home from school. Which means you're getting creative to pass the time so we want to know what's the most fun thing you've done during your have you found a really cool way to study science or bake did epic kick or picked up a new skill like learning duck calls. Oh couldn't duck calls cocoa record yourself telling us about one cool thing you've done and send it to us at brains on dot org slash contact. It could land in an episode. Just like this question. My name is tate from Saint Paul Minnesota and my question is can the moon moon will answer that end of the show in the moment of and I'll read the latest tapes. Ticket batted to the brains honor. Roll so keep listening. You're listening to brains on American public media. I'm molly and I'M COCO is time for us to change. Gears from tickle tempo hyper dry. Let's look at some cute stuff to get ready so cocoa you recently got a new puppy which seems like a really good place to start. What is her name? And what does she look like? She is a golden doodle and her name is Ella. I'm GONNA show you a picture of Godot flavors. All well I think we are definitely connected to our inner cute arbiters now yet. Ready to carry on an answer. This listener question. Hi My name is some well and my name is doing and we are from Puerto Rico and our question is why do people find cute things? Cute excellent question. Sam Well in Adrian. We all know cute things we them. But why do we react to a baby that way hall hall and not a Grownup Goo Goo Gaga or a kitten but not a flower? The answer seems to be evolutionary biology. That psychologist Dr Sandra Pimentel and she explained that the reason we find some things cute Others is hard wired into us so if we think about evolution right Sort of her goal is a species. Humans is to survive and to sort of pass our our jeans and the way we pass on our genes is by having babies. But you may have noticed that. Babies can't do much on their own. They need us to take care of them and keep them alive. That's where the cuteness comes in by finding things cute. We're more likely to want to take care of them and protect them. They're more likely to look vulnerable. And Kinda you know. Remind US like. Hey Take care of me helpless here. So it's no surprise says that the features that we humans think of as cute are the features that babies have these features were dubbed Kinchen. Shame up by the psychologist who I studied them. Which by the way can we say that word a few Times Kinchen Chain Shaimaa? It's a mouthful anyway. The features of Kinchen Shaimaa are big head relative to body size larger forehead large eyes round cheeks small Chin and a small nose in other words baby face and these features appear in baby animals to like puppies. Kittens bunnies all illicit. This sound Oh. So how does our brain make us like looking at cute things? It rewards us with a chemical called dopamine that can make us feel intensely happy. There's a study that had people looking at pictures and what they found. Is that when people are looking at these pictures? There Bring Lisa dopamine and that's the same neuro chemical brain chemical that gets released when we have you know something that we really enjoy eating and that happens when we see Q. Pictures too so our brain is sort of sending this message. That feels good. This is pleasing you know. Keep at it. Keep looking at these things. Sandra said there are other studies that show our brains want to give cute things extra tension over non cute since our brains like thanks so much it makes sense that these characteristically cute features these Kinchen Shaimaa show up in pop culture. A lot to receive a stuff all the time. Think about Mickey Mouse. Or Hello Kitty. Both have rounded features bake heads large eyes and lots of people find them. Pretty Darn Cute. The Japanese word for cute is Koa e. It is everywhere. Coli has inundated Japanese culture. I talked to Ryan Nakajima. He's an artist who currently lives in Duluth Minnesota and is originally from Japan. He told me that Kuwa- characters have the same traits. We've been talking about big head eyes. Little nose rounded features. It really started to take off after World War. Two but these are going back even farther than that. The tradition of the Japanese cute thing probably go back way back to the school Rabbit and the FROG Doing similar thing so I think there's a sort of a long and desire for something funny and cute and the or allow you to forget about the hardship in life. Many companies have climb mascots as two cities in regions. They're coli versions of eggs towers and flowers and the famous poop Emoji. That's easy to anything can be turned into the amazing thing about it. Sounds the best known? Karla e characters are from San Rio. Like Hello Kitty and then there is. Everything pocket on characters has a color equality built into it. That is a lot of these fifty. Something years of Japanese animation engineering. It's not an accident. Those character looks so desirable. Wipe scripture looked so desirable. Think about that. Pokemon or engineered by top notch. Talent just to make you go on and because cute things demand our attention. These cute things are often used as a marketing tool to sell stuff. There's a ton of psychology in marketing. Right we know this and so these things are usually not by accident. And what's going to make things more likely for people to buy them whether with money or die them with their time so companies might use cute characters to market their products or make. The products cuter themselves so cute can also becoming when used as a marketing strategy. Now I have something else I want you to help me with. I want you to think of the cutest puppy kitten or baby. You've ever seen now. What sound do you want to make when you think of that cuteness? Is it more like an owner or is it something like or just want to eat you up? I WANNA take a bite out of you. You're so cute. I think it's more like a mix of the first one in the second one to both. Well those are both totally normal reactions to cuteness but why why do we all want a bite cute things? What is that about? Dr Oriented Aragon from Clemson University wondered the same thing I was watching late night television and there was an actress on there and she was talking about this really cute puppy that she saw. I think something okay and she was gritting her teeth. Clenching our hands into fists making like snarling faces when she was talking about the cute puppy and I thought wow. That's really interesting. If you look at that on the service it doesn't look like something you show on your face when looking at something to and I talked to my dad about it on the phone and he said well but you gotta think about. Grandma's and GRANDPA's will pinch a baby cheeks to you and say oh you're so cute. I WANNA eat you up and I thought wow you know you're right that that's different and I'm a researcher. A psychologist by training and I studied emotions and how people express emotions and so when I saw that and it really occurred to me that it seems sort of an odd reaction. I decided that that was something that I was going to study in this cute aggression the desire to bite squeeze or eat something because it is so cute is a common emotion. There are phrases to describe this feeling in all sorts of different languages. French mean your cookie. Greek faster foul Polish yes. They're stuck swaggie. Shell them choosier Vietnamese to Wipe Tai Chi Gung Italian Czech Dutch. Hey is on up to eight and finally gig in that. Last one is tagalog the language spoken in the Philippines. It's a phrase that means the gritting of teeth and urged to pinch or squeeze something that is unbearably cute. It's one of those excellent words that says in one. What takes us many to say in English so even though you might say you're so cute I could eat you up and you might grit your teeth and clench your fists. You're not actually feeling aggression. You're just expressing it. This is called die. Morpheus expression when you're expressing something different than what you're feeling the same thing damore fists expression is happening when you cry when you're happy or laugh when you're nervous. The same thing is also happening when you make this sound. And he comes with a pronounced. Brown actually like a sad face. And it's another day morpheus expression so when you see something cute you're filled with positive feelings. But they can come out looking like aggression or sadness. Let's say tennis athlete. Gordon Victoria Point on the court they might quench their fist and make a growling snarling face and go yeah in express aggression for the happiness or they might crumpled downing start crying at the end of the match and just released an and you'll see tears of joy again. Die Mortis expression. So why does this morpheus expression happen? Why can't we just smile and look happy when we're happy? We have some indication that when people do express this way that they come down from that really strong emotion. A little better So it seems like it might help to regulate emotion. Meeting help people to control their emotions. So it's possible these diamorphine expressions. Help US deal with overwhelming emotions but there is still more research to be done. Oriana can say that people who have diamorphine expressions recover more quickly from extreme emotions that she can't save the diamorphine expression is the cause of the quick recovery or if people who do that just happened to recover faster anyway. Oriana is excited to keep researching these reactions. These amorphous expressions to understand them more as a psychologist. I think about all sides right so I wonder. Also what is that baby thinking because they encounter these little snarling faces of people looking at them? We think third oral and babies are soaking up information. I wonder if in some way it gives babies and idea that those faces can come about in a playful way I wonder if it educates Davies in any way about emotion expression so next time you go all WanNa Nibble on a baby's cheeks or cry at a wedding or laugh when you're nervous know that you're Morph Asli expressing yourself expressing different emotion than you're actually feel old now cocoa back to the mystery sound. Are you ready to hear it again? Yes I am ready. Let's hear it Coco last time. You had a lot of different thoughts but what might be. What are you thinking? Now show the same things and maybe like in a video game picking up stuff. Maybe like that's the sound from a video game of someone picking something up. Yeah Okay I like the guests. Here is the answer. Okay so the sound you heard. Just now is a rat's laughter. When was being tickled? And actually this is ultra sound. That means is so high that humans cannot here so the frequency is converted to lower peach so that we can hear so. That's a cute little rat laugh. Wow Shimpei Ishiyama is a neuroscientist who studies brains and fun. And he does that by watching how rats react when they get tickled radicals. Have a lot in common with human tickles. They have their own kind of laughter. It's pretty obvious they're having fun. And based on their laughter and brain scans rats also feel ticklish. Just before tickling starts. They anticipate being tickled just like we do just like a lot of people. Rats resist tickling. While it's happening then come back for more when it ends. Shimpei says it's really hard to know why rats or people are ticklish. But he's going to keep looking into it and he has one idea to start out and we believe that ticklish. Nasc is a brains trick to make us have fun war. We can't tickle ourselves because we always know it's coming but tickling from someone else probably will make you laugh and it might help you bond tickles. Laughter might also push on your bladder so watch out. Kit Things have features in common. Like big is in round cheeks are love of cuteness helps remind us to take care of little kids and cuteness might make you feel one thing and express another. That's it for this episode of brains on it was produced by Mark Sanchez. Main Akot Wilhelm sand in Tottenham and molly bloom we have production help from Ruby Guthrie and Christina Lopez and engineering help from John if Miller special things too rosy Dupont Alex Flood John Collins Catherine Regio. Tom Van Dyke Chrissy peas. Nancy win now win. Daniela Rivera Julia. Maka Yoga. Yana Razzaq over. Nfl Name on a tacky before we go. It's time for the moment of Kenna Moon Moon. Yeah that's a great question so My name is Shawn Tunnel Lava but by Shawny for short and I am a fourth year astronomy graduate student at Harvard and I specialize in exoplanet research. So just like Earth here on Earth Orbit The Sun when we look out in the night sky and we see all those stars out there they all have planets you into those are what I studied. I actually had to do a little bit of thinking about the cinema but a research myself because my initial response or sort of thought was yeah. Sure why not I? I think a moon could have moon. But WE HAVEN'T ACTUALLY OBSERVATION. Lee seen any moons that have their moods. So it in our own solar system or looking at EXOPLANET systems which we haven't even with EXOPLANET systems we haven't found any moons but in our own solar system. Were pretty sure that none of our moons have their that being said. There's really no reason to think that A Moon couldn't have some other smaller rock orbiting it and that's what a Moon's moon would be just another rock orbiting moons just like the moon is orbiting planet another thing. I'll say about about a moon orbiting immune as it would have a very small signal that would be very difficult to detect relative to say a planet signal or even a moon signal because if it's a moon orbiting a moon it's going to be that much smaller and so that might be another potential reason why we haven't detected any of these things yet is just that it would be a very small signal I'm so happy to be in the orbit of these wonderful listeners. It's time for the brains honor roll. These are the brilliant people who share their mystery. Sounds questions ideas and drawings with us. Claire from Mississauga Ontario Natalie from Kansas City Missouri Pablo from Seattle Tayo from Barcelona Spain Karston from Texas city. 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The Lost Secrets Of The Harlem Renaissance
"This is one A.. I'm Todd Zelic in Washington Harlem in the nineteen. Twenties was unlike any other place in America in a piece published in crisis magazine Poet. Langston Hughes describes what Harlem Lim was like in one thousand nine hundred eighty six Harlem and it's Love Nights. It's cabarets and casinos. It's dark warm bodies. The thunder in subways the arch of the bridges. The Mighty rivers hold me. I am amazed at the tremendous of the city. It's the versus. It's many many things. I cannot tell the city how much I love. I have not enough kisses in my mouth for the avid lips of the city. I become dizzy dancing. To The jazz tune nights ecstasy wearied in the tire days the fascination of the city is upon me burning the five in the book that was one eight producer. Morgan givens reading Langston Hughes description of New York's Harlem Neighborhood Hood in the Mid Nineteen Twenty S. It's been nearly a century since the Harlem Renaissance and while artists like Louis Armstrong Langston Hughes and Zora. Neale hurston still endure dozens. If not hundreds of works from that period have been lost or forgotten or in some cases never even published will now. Many many of those are coming to life for the very first time this week a never before published novel by Jamaican born poet Claude McKay was published ninety years. I think it was written and another novel by writer. Jesse Faucet was also republished this week for the first time in nearly a hundred years will why are these forgotten works resurfacing now and how did they change our understanding of this cultural movement. Joining me from Saint Louis. Public Radio is William Maxwell professor of English Russian African American Studies at Washington University in St. Louis Professor Maxwell great to have you good day. This is a presser maxwell and from the city in which Langston us was inspired to write the Negro speaks of rivers about one hundred years ago actually wonderful and so great to have you joining us from that place lace as we talk about the Harlem Renaissance in joining from NPR in that very city of New York. Is Morgan. Jenkins author of this will be my undoing living at the intersection of black female and feminist in White America senior editor of Zora magazine. Morgan welcome to you. Thank you so much. Hits Morgan Jerkins Jergen Party. Thank you I appreciate it. Thank you so much also joining from NPR. New York's autumn Womack Assistant Professor of Nineteenth and and Twentieth Century African American literature at Princeton University. Professor Womack welcome to you. Thanks for having me Morgan. Jerkins you wrote in the introduction. To Jesse cassettes novel. There is confusion which was republished. Just yesterday who was Jesse for set and why has she largely disappeared from a conversation about the Harlem Renaissance. Yes so Jesse Faucet I would say it was just a a multi hyphen it artists and she was a poet. She was an essay as she. He was literary editor of the Crisis Between Nineteen Thousand Nine Hundred Nineteen Twenty Six Under the stewardship of WBZ boys and She also was a mentor. I mean she cheap. She published Langston Hughes first home. The Negro speaks of rivers. She mentored county Colon Jean toomer Claude McKay and it's fascinating remaining also said in a sense that she was lost to a public imagination I would say For many different factors and I think one of it is because it was a woman a black woman and she often was overshadowed by her black no counterparts. Well Morgan in a piece that you wrote for for the New Yorker you talk about a dinner that took place in downtown New York nineteen twenty four now. This dinner largely considered to be the event that led to the beginning the spawning of the Harlem Renaissance take a minute. Take US inside that dinner. Tell me who was there who was around the table blend. Also what happened. That was pivotal for Jesse Facet. Oh man so that dinner was legendary in a sense that it was just a WHO's who oh black luminaries and also white people there as well but anyone you can think of that. You know they were at that dinner to celebrate black back office but the word was that that dinner was supposed to be in celebration of Jesse Faucets debut novel there is confusion and she was told by Charles. Johnson who at that time was leading opportunity magazine that it was going to be an honor of her will. The problem got what happened was because because Elaine lock who was also considered one of the midwives of the Harlem Renaissance By Langston Hughes words he was the master of ceremonies and he did not at like Jesse Faucet to this day. I don't not sure why because they were both very educated black people the kate himself in a certain way. Hey Jesse Faucet I just want that known. Yes yes we we different. She was really kind to him. Took them out to dinner which he desperately needed so yes yes he did not like her. It was a very sharp disdain. So because he was the master of ceremonies Monet's instead of centering Jesse Faucet he made it just a general celebration of black writers and it wasn't until years later that faucet actually wrote a scathing letter to lock about how the party was actually intended for her. So this sort of overlooked aspect I I would say. In retrospect was a harbinger of things to come. Even in the afterlife. This was her party and in a way he didn't even invite her. She was there Elsa no she I know she was there but she wasn't. Honored is what I mean to say. She wasn't invited into the circle. I mean she was excluded. Yeah yes well Professor Fester Maxwell you've already put in your vote for Claude McKay. And the way he treated Jesse FA- set shock. I know I have someone else. We could indeed my favorite. I want you to talk about Claude. McKay because you're the CO editor of romance in Marseille. That's a novel by Claude. McKay was published for the first time. Also yesterday they now McCain is maybe another lesser-known writer of the Harlem Renaissance. So who is he. And why was Claude McKay import. Well the first thing I'd like to say is that the reason other than the fact that Claude McKay wrote this book between Nineteen Twenty Nine and nineteen thirty. Three that we have today is because of my co editor Gary Holcomb who for this is not an exaggeration about twenty years. Press to get this into publication. But who was Claude McKay I think it's fair to say he is if not the most radical writer of the Harlem Renaissance Certainly one of them and you can measure that on traditional political spectrum. The one that we inherit from the a French National Assembly he's the furthest to the left of all the Harlem Writers He's a very important early black communist And he would be important in the history of twentieth century ideology political life if he never wrote a sonnet So he's quite radical politically also becomes one of the first black anti Stalinists so he breaks with the Soviet version of communism in advance of the generation of Richard Wright and Ralph Ellison who are more famous for that break who wrote major novels around it. he's radically international He's born in the Clarendon hills of Jamaica in eighteen eighty nine migrates greats to the United States pretty much. The first moment he can winds up at the Tuskegee institute hates what he sees. As the militarized culture. There moves to Harlem but significantly leaves Harlem Justice. The Harlem Renaissance is really taking off and this might be one reason for his relative marginality though. He's very much back back. In Vogue in the best ways so nineteen twenty-three comes around. He's just written the first significant book of Poetry from the Harlem Renaissance which is called Harlem shadows and he gets on a boat and he works as a stoker and he's trying to get himself to Europe and then eventually to Moscow for a meeting of the common tern. Why why why did he leave? Just when things in Harlem for an artist were really starting to harm was he over at all. Was it not for him or did he just have travel. And he's over for it all I. I think that he would have been invited to the famous nineteen twenty four dinner that we were just talking about but I think he probably would have felt pretty badly Afterwards on May not have attended in in the first place I mean he was a hard core Bohemian Wanted a renaissance that was based on both absolute truth telling and on the UNMEDIATED culture of black working class people themselves where he always located wisdom so he was always skeptical of the desire to use the Harlem Renaissance essentially a form of black middle-class uplift politics which is not to say that everyone else in the Harlem Renaissance was interested in that but some of the grandees some of the Great Entrepreneurs Land Lock W. E. B. Two boys James Weldon Johnson and others were certainly in that camp and he was a communist best so maybe also look a Harlem. Renaissance also meant a certain degree for some writers commercial success. I might guess he Disapproved of that Well he wanted more commercial success than than he found believe me but he does argue in public and private With two boys about both both ideological and aesthetic matters And you know. Deploys writes the most scathing review of Mackay's career in which he talks about the novel that was published in Nineteen Twenty eight home to Harlem probably McKay's most notable work at least in Contemporary Times And says after reading it's pages I I feel distinctly like taking a bath. McKay wrote him a very scathing personal after that. So there's a lot of back and forth. It's not just political that's important but they're also aesthetic matters that separate them artists Having their debates in there and their conflicts Especially back then we've talked about some of these lesser known writers Jesse FA- set Claude McKay. But here's a writer that Alice. Here's here writer Alice Walker by the way talking about a Harlem Renaissance figure that many people probably have heard of I think my junior year in school in high school. That was the year that Zora died and I had no idea she had ever lived. I had it never heard absorbable Hurston. I had no idea none that there were black women writers. There's Alice Walker talking about Zora Neale L.. Hurston a writer who Alice Walker helped revitalize in the nineteen seventies Professor Womack Zorno Hurston is an interesting figure gear because most people have heard of her now but she died largely in obscurity. Until as I said Alice Walker kind of revived her legacy in the seventies seventy. So why did she receive so little acclaim while she was alive. And then why did that change so. She actually received quite a bit acclaim while she was alive in the earlier. Part of the What we think of as the Harlem Renaissance so the late nineteen twenty s and the nineteen thirties? I mean she was quite a well. Well known and Prominent Person Artists Anthropologist Personality in the Harlem Renaissance There's a couple of different reasons. I think why she died in obscurity. I mean the one one of the reasons is that she ran out of money And so she. She claims that in many people did too that the onset of the Great Depression a lot of the patronage dried up that was driving and funding these black writers and the Harlem Renaissance She also wrote in a style that was not entirely conventional right so she was really dedicated to capturing during the vibrancy and the pulse and the dynamism of black southern culture performance voice sound so many writers in this time period. We're turning their attention to in New York into urban centers. She was really intent on locating the subject of her writing In the black south although she did write some stories about the north and about New York that had been recently recovered. I'm if we're talking about LAS tax She also I mean. Many people think that her what we what was thought of as our conservative views around around segregation led to her trump and popularity so she was not entirely in favor of the nineteen fifty four Brown versus board of Education decision. Not because she thought that Black students deserve equal education. But she didn't think it should be funneled through white institutions right. I mean she grew up in all black town and she. I was very proud of that and committed to the idea that the institutions should be equal on their own terms. Let's listen to Zora worry. Neil hurston in her own voice. Bowl is around. I five Come on that colored car Monday cover let him out some trouble with the walk. Come on Professor Autumn Womack in two thousand eighteen essay. In the Paris review journalist. Shantelle tattling described Hurston. This way a mud Ed slinging proto feminist novel folklorist play writing ethnographer not to be crossed. Now that is a world Ling description. What was she like in life? I mean she was a master of reinvention She was constantly negotiating. All of these different a friend spheres and places and geographic domains. I mean we hear her voice right She was she was had a strong voice. Both on the page age and in writing I mean. There's very many accounts for walking into spaces in Harlem and very performance live Nature Right I'm she was committed to the stage. She was committed to black feeder. She was committed to embodied performance To dance to movement she did did a ton of field research in the American south and she lived amongst the people that she wrote about. I mean it's what's her community so I mean. In her autobiography. Strikes is on the road she talks about you know living in Turpentine camps and getting in fights with people and you know having to go undercover to to who duck and dive and move through all of these important and interesting scenarios So I think that that characterization of her as being kind of extra ordinary Harry is is right on point. Well Professor Maxwell back on Claude McKay. He introduced a number of openly queer characters which was revolutionary. For the time. We're going to take a break but take just a minute talk quickly about this subculture around Harlem Artists who wanted to explore not just race gender class sexuality things that a lot of people were not writing about right well you could say that that subculture is continuous with the whole second generation of all. This stotts writers. We're not just talking about McKay. Who actually worked with Zora? Neale Hurston Gwendolyn Bennett. And Richard Bruce Nugent nugent and others on some smaller publications McKay himself was a kind of mediator. Various subcultures he brings together are gay. Lesbian subculture in New York City is fairly openly bisexual man. During this period he hooks that culture up with the black radical culture or the proto communist culture of uptown the Jamaican radicals who are so important in the Harlem Renaissance People Zero Briggs. He Hooks that culture up with downtown. Lyrical left. Culture the magazine's the masses the new masses. The Liberator Crystal. Eastman Max Eastman so I would say. Say He's somebody who's cements these various sexual political subcultures together Almost single-handedly during this period well Jones tweeted this I. I took a college course on African American literature in the early seventies at West Virginia University introduced me to authors. I would not admit otherwise and for that. I'm grateful full. We're talking about the Renaissance of the Harlem Renaissance William Maxwell Professor of English and African American Studies at Washington University in St.. Louis Morgan Jerkins. An Automobile Mac are here as well. We'll take a pause and we'll talk a lot more about the Harlem Renaissance in just a moment I'm todd listening to one A.. From WMU and NPR support for this podcast and the following message. Come from Uber. Uber is committed to safety and to continuously raising the bar Dr to help make safer journeys for everyone for starters. All drivers are background checked before their first ride and screened on an ongoing basis and now uber has introduced a brand new safety feature called ride. Check which can detect if a trip goes unusually off course and check in to provide support to learn more about Uber's commitment to safety visit Uber Bird Dot com slash safety. Do you talk about the news with your friends. Your family or perfect strangers. Get the facts. 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I don't my hot near the Congo. And as allow me to sleep I looked upon the Nile as the pyramids above. It hired a singing of the Mississippi. When Abe Lincoln went down to New Orleans and I've seen its muddy bosom turn turn all golden in the sunset that was Langston Hughes reading? Probably one of his most famous poems. The Negro speaks of Rivers Morgan. Jerkins Erkin is here. Autumn Womack is here and William Maxwell of Washington University in Saint. Louis is here as well in twenty eighteen Hearst INS book bear coon about one of the last Africans to be brought over to America through the illegal slave trade was published for the very first time almost almost a century after it was written. Now Professor Womack Zora Neale Hurston. She really struggled with the story. That would become Beira. Koon Wai was writing this story. Such a such a hard time for her so she began to write the story That would become Barracuda in one thousand nine hundred eighty seven So that was the first time that she had gone down. South on a research trip sponsored by Carter G Woodson and Franz Boas who was her professor at Columbia Columbia University where she was studying anthropology as a student at Barnard So she began to write it in nineteen twenty seven. She returned in Nineteen Twenty eight twenty nine to to spend more time with him to create more full length. Version immense. She moved across different genres so she in her letters to various folks including on one of her patriots. CHARLOTTE osgood Mason. And she said. I'm going to try my hand at putting his story in a series of parables He tried recording him right. So maybe film would be the medium. Am that would best tell this story. So one of the things about. This is very characteristic of her sentence. She was always looking for the right form to tell the story of black life right and in particular this subject of slavery it seems posed a particular challenge for her and she was trying to figure out a form that would tell this story about a thing. That's supposed in the past right but that's still ongoing so there's this temporal kind of tangle that she was struggling within grappling with and I think it's really beautiful in her movement of men across these forms we really be impossibility of ever telling the story of slavery as something that's in the past right and that's something that I mean. Contemporary Scholars talk about in terms of the astrolabe from slavery. But she was theorizing this. I think in her movement across forms and trying to get it right and struggling to tell the story in a way that conveys the complexity. And you've Britain you've written about how she struggled almost from a scientific perspective. Her background as an anthropologist and wanting to give of her subject his voice in telling his story not being too emotionally involved in it at the same time how. How can you not be an insert of that that at that history telling narrative writing but scientific approach is a tough one to navigate right and I mean the thing? That's so brilliant about Hurston is that she figured out her our own way to do it right so she was. There is no way that I can be totally detached objective observer of this cultural life that I am a part of So she totally rejected this idea of scientific objectivity right And she also spent so much time with this man I mean. She went to his house in her. She talks about how she he brought him fruit. How they became friends how she took photographs of him right And so really refusing that binary of subject and researcher And I'm thinking holistically. About how do I approach this as a human right and has a story that we all need to hear as opposed to an object objective knowledge. Morgan Jerk I want to ask you about Jesse Redmond. FA- set again you. You mentioned that she wrote about the black middle class. She wrote about upwardly mobile black people during the Harlem Renaissance and she caught a lot of criticism from other black artists for focusing on this slice slice of black life. Now now Professor Maxwell made it clear to Claude. McKay was nice to her and despite the fact he was a communist she was nicer to. Oh so she spent more money on anyway no she was very kind to younger writers. Even those who were politically artistically oppose. Well Morgan Jerkins. What about Out Jesse for set and this writing about the black middle class. Did she catch a lot of heat for it. how did she navigate that. I mean it was hard. I mean you the historian at the Harlem Renaissance. Even though there was a lot of black people creating at the time there were a lot of opinions oftentimes controversial ones about how to to write about black people So as Professor Womack talked about with just with Zorno Hurston she wrote about black southern people with regards to their dialect in their vibrancy and she often caught flat from other people. Like Richard Ryan were example for Jesse Faucet you have to understand. She was from South Jersey Jersey. She was Ivy League educated. She came from. I would say like black intelligence. ooh People South Jersey Philadelphia so she wrote of these people often the style of. Would someone consider today like Jane Austen for example. Some people like in There's confusion to Jane Austen's work and some people had a problem with that because he said you know that doesn't really represent black people as a whole and now we have this time. We're in the spotlight now. Why aren't you speaking to a larger swath north of black people but she wanted to write about what she knew and explore the complexities right there? Can I. Can I leap in and please something. That common is really productive interesting to the one thing that we can say about the Harlem Renaissance which is really difficult to define is that. It's a moment when African American artists make it very clear that there isn't a singular black identity. Exactly right that you know. African Americans indeed people from the African diaspora come from every kind of region from every three kind of sociological position. Every kind of ethnicity speak every kind of language you can imagine. It's you can't define the central all style the Harlem Renaissance Right it sponsors working all these different modes fascinating. Well we heard a little bit from Langston Hughes at the very top and I did that for a reason because I want to get back to Langston Hughes in his relationships with some of the artists that we're talking about here we go now commits here. Everybody's excited let's let's Let's hear from again though we heard a little bit from Negro speaks leaks of rivers. Here's a clip from that same recording Langston Hughes explaining the inspiration behind the poem. Let's speaks rivers one one of my earliest times written in nineteen twenty. Just after I came out of high school I was going to Mexico to visit. My father. Father lived in Mexico City and on the train going across the Mississippi River. I looked out the window and I saw this great mighty river flowing down onto the height of the south and the think about what this river meant to the Negro people. Now Professor Womack Zora Neale Hurston Langston Hughes. Were very very good friends right. They had that okay. You you sound like you were prepared for that question until they weren't right okay. Exactly they weren't they weren't they both so this is complicated. They both had what was referred to what might be referred to as a patron a white patriot and then the relationship between them got complicated. So I know you've been waiting for this one So they had a really lovely lovely enduring friendship which I think is important to highlight. There's a beautiful book out now That tracks their friendship. Zora and Langston alinksyites or I apologize eligible for not getting the title on right now So they were the best of friends. I mean there's beautiful correspondence between them when Hurston was on a Research folkloric collecting trip in the late. Nineteen Twenty S. I mean she would write to him she would say I'm finding things for you. I'm collecting I've been sharing your book. I've been giving out copies of it Of his poetry. I've been reading it so they were really committed to fostering each other's Personal success They also as you said they shared One quite white Patriot and Charlotte osgood Mason And they had different terms of their contract may different relationship with her and that might have had definitely had something to do with the fracture. But it really I mean as the legend goes it. All Came to a head when they were working on this play mule bone together and they were supposed to collaborate and and maybe this is a lesson in the difficulty of collaborating with best friends But the legend has it that Hurston submitted copy happy rate for the play with her name. Alone then there's all these this drama the triangulation of the person who was working with them as well The play never actually got stage because everybody got turned off by the drama at all huge. Felt like he was blocked out of it. Hurson said that's not true. I didn't try to do that Eh. From there things Went from bad to worse. One Listener tweeted this. What a great conversation on the writers of the Harlem Renaissance Thank you? I knew a little about some of these writers. But you are really going in-depth with the knowledgeable experts. I will listen again and read more of these writers works. I agree we've got great experts. spurts who who really wanted to lean in on the relationship between so our Neil hurston Fox News. I'm todd relic. You're listening to one This message comes from NPR sponsor. LEGALZOOM legalzoom can help. Make sure your small business is set up for success this year. LEGALZOOM has helped more than two million Americans incorporate form an LLC and more you can also get advice on contracts lease agreements and other legal questions through legalzoom's network of independent attorneys since they're not a law firm more information is available at legalzoom dot com slash. NPR There's more to watch and read these days than any one person can get too. That's why we make pop culture happy hour from NPR twice a week we sort through the nonsense share reactions and give you the lowdown on what's worth your precious time. Listen subscribe to NPR's pop culture. Happy this is one A.. We're talking about the Harlem. Renaissance and Langston Hughes Professor Womack why he has Langston Hughes endured as one of the most widely read and recognized recognized figures from the Harlem Renaissance. When so many other writers is we've been talking about have either peaked and then receded or never been published in the first place? I mean I think a lot of it. It has to do with the gender aspect that Morgan brought up in the beginning. I mean it's not coincidental that Jesse Faucet and now a Larsen Larsen right and Hurston to a certain extent have kind of fallen by the wayside I mean Hughes was a masterful poet and writer. I mean that's part of it. I mean he was. He produced an amazing output The output though I think is a large part of it I mean he produced a ton of poetry and prose. He traveled internationally nationally in a different way than somebody like Hurston so we had a different kind of global footprint which also had a lot to do with it. He had a different kind of financial support So Oh Hurson was really financially dependent on Mason for a while Hughes had a different a different number of thousands of funds and money Kirsten also kind of embargo on the production of her work so as part of her contract with The patron she was not able to publish anything although she did she started needed it and got in trouble so there was a moment where she couldn't actually put out as much work as Houston So those are some of the reasons I mean he also just was. Does I mean people loved him right In a way that I think all of the figures that we're talking about today had a different they rubbed against the institutional on Norman away that I think was a little grading for some folks Morgan. Let's let's talk about Jesse Facet A little bit more And there is confusion. You've said that it raises questions that still feel urgent today. A black artist have to reflect the larger ideals of his or her community in individuality reserved only for white people. And I think Professor Maxwell kind of got at this the leeway that black artist has to write about broader broader classes of people than people want her to write about. Is that a challenge for you. Do you still feel it today. Absolutely when people ask me who who do you write for I often wonder if they're asking me that because I'm thinking out should I answer like a writing for the little girl you know. How or are they asking that because they know and I know that the publishing industry's still white dominated and there's only a certain few that get through that door and when you get to their door what you're GonNa do you're gonNA leave it open? You're gonNA close it and so when I think about this idea of individ- individuality and cultural obligation and I try to find a balance with but also the mamas over it's still a business and not everyone has the same opportunities and privileges as myself. And how do you contend with that also trying bright just you want to write. I don't think you can always do that. Because we don't live in an equal world. Can I say about that on the question of business business in the Harlem Renaissance. I mean I don't think it's ignoble to suggest. I believe this is the truth that one of the things. The Harlem Renaissance permitted was better business relationships between tween younger talented black writers many of whom were drawn to New York City. Because it was the center of American publishing and really important emerging Publishing firms arms like Alfred enough live right and others and people like Locke for all their difficulty with some of the younger generation made it contracts happen right. It was a marketing wing of the Harlem Renaissance. which again is not an ignoble thing? This is what eight modern renaissance requires. It requires a commercial official presence and it requires readers and it requires willing to buy a book well We have to go. And I'm sorry to say it because I think listeners. Yes I know. Listeners are loving this conversation just one second of autumn ALMAC. I'll leave it to you. We've been talking about. We've been talking about so many authors adjust. Just give me one recommendation. If people are interested in the Harlem Renaissance. They want to catch up on the history. Who should they read? What's what's what's out right now? Oh now like a book like a a writer from the Harlem Renaissance or contemporary anything. You want give us one idea. I I know the correct answer. Yeah I can I give to say two things that I think we are trying to say lane locks the the new Negro and then fire which was Hurston and Co's renegade kind of response to it which is like the radical younger voices saying anti institutional all black antagonistic people in people should catch up on those titles. That Autumn Womack has recommended if they want to get more out of this new renaissance of the renaissance assange. That's autumn Womack Assistant Professor of nineteenth and Twentieth Century African American literature at Princeton. Thank you so much professor. Thank you Morgan. JERKIN senior editor At Zora magazine Morgan. Thanks to you. Thank you and Professor William Maxwell at Washington University in St. Louis Professor. Thanks to you as well. Thanks for your opportunity tune. It was a real pleasure great to have all of you. 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With this in mind and with the understanding that that is a significant and serious, and perhaps hopefully, not deadly situation for people I'm going to segue into my own life and the really small nonsense of my own life with rain. The other night. The other day actually. The other day there were. So yesterday was Tuesday on Monday there were some thunderstorms in the area where I live they did not land on me in the area where I live. So close that Carol had gone to the Refugee Safeway and reported that when she got out of the Refugee Safeway, there was a deluge of rain I am less than. One Mile from the Refugee Safeway we did not have a drop in my house micro climates not a what does that mean microcosms? This is what used to see when you visit your dad down in Florida where they locked to blow on one side of the road it would rain I just assumed that was in Florida and not anywhere else. So yesterday. As we're walking the dog at about between six and seven at night you can hear thunder above us where we live you can hear the thunder you can look at the clouds. I would not say it was ominous I know the difference between us and just getting scary and it was in the getting scary phase and later in the evening at around the fourth or fifth inning the nats. Get they have to put the tarp. I'm wanted to be official right they. They have to put the tarp on the field even though they know it's going to go through but now it's pouring there. I look at it. Now we all I. Think we all spend a little bit too much time on our phones I know I spend a little bit too much time on my phone I no longer talk to anyone who lives with me and my house because they are on their phones fifteen hours a day, and they're not paying attention to anything else and I suspect this is way light. This is the way that life is all over the world that you have your phone and you retreat into the cocoon of your phone and that's what happens I don't like. This way of living but I have learned to use a few of the APPs on my phone just a few and I have far too many I don't want them every time my phone is reset I get more of these stupid these pay for APPs. No these are weather at the only apps I care about our weather APP. You can. They ask you to upgrade have the weather channel I have accuweather I have regular weather and I have radar radar is what I go to when I think it's going to rain shortly upon me, which is exactly what I thought. The radar last night. From. The quarter to seven to nine o'clock at night. That's a significant portion of time from a quarter to seven to nine o'clock at night the radar which is set for exactly where I live blue dot. Yeah. showed that every. All around me and on me and on me was not just a series of green but green and a series of yellow. That's yellow is significant rain right green all over my street. This is there's no doubt about this because the entire screen, the entire screen was green and yellow and it was on me northwest Washington DC. On me not a drop of rain at my house not one that you get rain last night I did and he live about five miles away right. But we we tend to get the storms from either Virginia side or the. Montgomery County side, you normally get the Montgomery County side. So I always look at the baseball game we either get at ten minutes before or ten minutes after they put the tarp down. But what you're asking about is, did you look at the time stamp? The only thing I can think of does that mean when you're looking at your radar a lot of time it's been here's where it's said, it got us all the way through to the time that was current and it was green and yellow all over the area and we did not we had some breeze. Some wind knocked over a tomato plant. We had no not a drop of rain. Nigel did you have rain last night? You live there Michael Yeah, I? Know not. What what do I do about that in terms of my faith in radar? Well, do you remember? Do you remember when we played golf with Kip two weeks ago yes, we get to the tenfold. It doesn't look good right now. I mean it had that seek shelter kind of feel the air starts to Shiv Gray skies tenth are he goes? No no no no this is just outside of us. It's going to it's going to wrap around its conscripted northwest Goerner as it chases. Oh, by eighty. Yeah. Go The ten, th fairway. It's a heavy rain on us. He goes no no look at the radar look at the raiders. On us it's on eating. So that's so I don't I mean, I'm not. I have less faith in the radar. Now than I did a week ago. This is twice that this has happened to me in the last two days where this allegedly. Photographic evidence of what is happening to me is not happening to me not on my street might lovely repaved street no I didn't have it and I don't I don't know what to do with that. You know I don't know how to feel about that just seems odd to me. It shows the rain writing without who would not feel that not best screen if that was just your zip code or the general area, but it knows exactly where you are. It's looking at your house one other thing well, a couple of other things but one other thing. I wake into find that. Lucas G Alito, had thrown a no hitter thirteen caves thirteen case for Lucas Chea. Lido as the nats fell behind three nothing in the first inning like I got to the game in the NERD inning was four one I, think that was the second. Okay. So I mean they were like out of it right away after the real mutual three, three bomb all we know is that anytime feddie. Or vote is on the mound the not to behind they're struggling just thereby account from stone now. So so then I awaken to find that the Lucas G Alito has shown no hitter for the Chicago White Sox Jeff. Passan. Will be on later. We will undoubtedly ask about that but my feeling about this this is this is an odd situation for me Lucas Chea Lido was traded away was a great prospect in La Kid was traded away. To the Chicago White Sox part of that deal brought Adam Eaton to the nats an atom meetings been terrific player and Adam. Eaton was a key member of a team that won the world series I. Don't I don't want to give that back on any level and I'm not saying that's a bad trade although I am saying that's bad right now. This morning whether that's have no starting pitching that's dependable. Really and you see Lucas leader who was the number one prospect they had as a starting pitcher felt like a can't miss. Yeah. Then when I missed I missed miss badly and then went to Chicago and started to progress I, mean, last year he could use them now. Yeah sure. Could use it. A feeling tied eaten more when you think about that real mute to Homerun, which just goes over the very short head. Of Atom Eaton Adam means about five eight. On the other hand is a play last night that Victor Robe lace makes where he doubles up a runner at first just guns at from the deepest part of center field to I the way he readjusts as chasing the ball down to recognize it. It's tailing back to send I mean he's like he's like a safety hawkin balls out there but the Natsuno good the good news in my neighborhood. And I don't know what to make of this I. Don't know if it's a full schedule, but it appears to be at least a partial schedule. There are buses in my neighborhood again, there's not been a bus in my neighborhood since March and Michael and I saw a bus the other day and I just wondered if that was a one shot and somewhat experimental and I was out with Chessy this morning and the bus went by and I waved to the bus driver and gave him the thumbs up sign because I was so happy because there's nobody now there was nobody in the bus but him. Because you get conditioned to not having buses know what's going on I assume this has something to do with the possible reopening of schools and and and the notion that we are going to get back to some normal life, which is insane because every time people do this, there's a spike in the corona virus cases, and now there was evidence that six feet apart is not even enough. So we live in this strange duality where everything where people think all my life is getting back to normal and I don't have the virus put all around the everyone does well, that means you will too well are you familiar with gator gate? Those at the University of Florida. Dote do came out the study they looked at the net gators that have been popular with a lot of the runners and normally people where they just pull it up over there. No, they don't. They just wear a scarf, right? So it is essentially a scarf and when it single. Dr. The like. Sometimes this is worse than wearing nothing at all really why I just pre-cup probably because since it feels breathable to those runners and those outside it's letting everything passed through. There was some pushback on that and if you doubled up the gator but I was surprised this because I actually have had buses in our neighborhood and we're closer to Wisconsin Avenue. So you see like see Georgetown University bus going up and down but the look on your face it was like so happy it was like you saw an airplane for the first. So happy to see a boss, just go down the avenue and wave to the bus driver and they wave back. It's happened twice. Made me very happy. We'll take a break. We will come back with Brian Windhorst and we'll talk about what the faces in the bubble and what they face perhaps from protests. Well, when we return I am Tony Kornheiser. You're listening to the Tony Kornheiser show. The thing about home security companies, most trap you with high prices tricky contracts in lousy customer support their words not mine. So while there are a lot of options out there, there's only one no brainer simply safe simply safe's got everything you need to protect your home with none of the drawbacks traditional home security it's got an arsenal of sensors and cameras to blanket every room window and door tailored specifically for your home. 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Maybe we've got to put it on the line. We've got to do something more and I don't know if this is set or unsaid but the something more we all think about is the boycotting of games that players or whole teams or an entire league might say you know what? We're not doing this. We're not playing anymore we're done. How serious do you think? This threat of not playing is. It depends on who you talk to I. Think there's still hundreds of players there and different players feel strongly about different things. you know I think doc rivers last night after the clippers game was incredibly emotional and eloquent about his on it and then. said, he absolutely would not boycott because he doesn't believe that would accomplish what you're looking for. But then said, he would support the players If they decided to I, think Tony the players are in a challenging position. And because they're obviously viscerally reacting to the things that they are seeing and. They feel helpless and part of the reason they feel helpless is because of the situation there. Has Been. A part of the reason they feel helpless because they're in this bubble, which is getting to all of them at this point and part of the reason they feel helpless is that they sit in front of the media every single day. So while it is a it is an opportunity to speak on this. It also becomes a burden. Because they now are expected to. Be. The Voice of a culture the Voice of a race many times you know you know there are many people out there who has visceral reactions to situation who don't have to sit in front of cameras every day, and so part of the reason I think that they feel a little helpless is that so many people are looking to them. and. Their hands are tied by just the limitations of you know humanity and so. Just. Having to sit in, this is one of the things I talked about. What happened with happened with the NBA in China you know many many companies have complicated situations with China and the NBA is complicated and I'm not. Smart enough to be able to articulate it but. The CEO's apple and the CEO of Marietta the CEO of the company that makes widgets. Doesn't have to sit in front of millions of eyeballs every single day and answer questions on it because the nature of the media attention is both a blessing and a curse, and that's that's part of what so many people are working through right now. So I I mentioned Fed van Vliet because he was vocal about it George. Hill, has been vocal about it. I've just seen what they've had to say I haven't seen anybody else the question. The overall question I have is would be a leader in this to me. Lebron James is always the leader because he's the best player and he's got the most accomplishments in basketball and he's an older person relative to basketball. But do you know that Kyrie Irving wants to be a Leader but he's not in the bubble. Do you have any sense as to who you would listen to most who might be leading the players right? Well, if Lebron called for this I, think there'd be a a possibility that would happen the the thing about Kyri in the bubble or not Kyri is thoughtful. But he you know Dwight Howard was the same sort of sort of profile both were thoughtful on this matter you know two months ago or whatever. But neither one of them frankly speaking just frankly neither of them are leaders of other players Right? Lebron James is fits that bill and Lebron from the start. This has favored playing and You know I think Doc rivers compared it last night to what happened with Donald Sterling and back when you're actually during the playoff when that happened and whatever year that was two thousand, thirteen, I believe and he discussed you know the reasons why he supported playing and his his feelings the same. So like I said, you've got several hundred players still there Tony I think you could. You could get several different hundred opinions on it I would say this The situation is very fragile and I. Think Right now that the Games will go on but this is the morning. This is not the afternoon. There's no other video has hit on social media that could potentially change everything. So things are very fragile as you can imagine. What Role Would Michelle Roberts? WHO's the head of the Players Association and Adam? Silver the commissioner. Of the League. What role would they play or did they just sort of have to sit back and let the steam roller go them I mean I think if you watched how the League is handled this entire situation, they have offered pretty significant support You know maybe it hasn't satisfied everybody but the measures that they have taken the listening that they have gone the actions that the owners are taken. I, believe the owners have announced. They're going to give hundreds of millions of way to social justice initiatives over the next ten years obviously everything with the messaging that has been made available to the players there I think just yesterday owner of the Brooklyn Nets Joseph Cy announced a fifty million dollar donation to social justice 'cause. I know it's not all about money but you know I think the NBA is. Adam silver being the face of it has been supportive as it can is it knows how to be and I'm not sure that more money is going to make a difference The platform is as big as it already is Is what I'm saying like. Here we have an atrocity that happened and it's being because the NBA players silver are so high profile, it's like turned to them. Well, what are you going to do about it? You know your it's like well, Adam silver can't become the police commissioner of Kenosha Wisconsin You know he he there's only so much that they can do and I understand that there's a helplessness to it the helplessness of the entire situation. And that's the pressure of the the attention and and the reason the attention there is because the players have wanted the attention they have have called for the attention but that attention now creates expectation and we have a situation it's compounding on top of it, and so it's really just a mess. The best thing for everybody. would be for things start going better in this country, and I don't know if that's feasible I don't know if that's an expectation we can have. All right. I'm going to turn to basketball itself now and ask the two obvious questions are the Lakers now safe and are the clippers now safe to move on in the playoffs. I think they're safe to move on from this around The Blazers. Were a terrible matchup for the Lakers. Mean other way around the the Lakers are terrible. The Blazers they they have no method of handling Lebron and Anthony Davis. Now that's obvious. Most teams don't, but they are particularly weak. At. The forward spots and You know they're only hope was for Dame Lillard to. Just come out in an assault. The Lakers with offense in Qatif to average fifty points a game and for the Lakers to continue struggling just did not happen you know I. The amazing moment of game. One. The Blazers are starting an undrafted rookie. A young man named onion Gabriel He they put the mic on him and gave one Tony Because of course, he's taken the Mike. He's they'll never have the mic again in his career and he's so excited about this moment that he goes over to the official and says, I'm making my first NBA start. Because, he has nobody else to tell you know and he gets he gets a bloody nose in the first quarter and he the trainer and they played this on TNT and he goes I've never had a bloody nose before that was the guy they had assigned to Anthony Davis. And and they won that game. So it took it took a minute for the for the Lakers to get their feet on the ground but Portland was only a speed bump. It was a matter of how big of the speed up was going to be another thing out I expect it to be a blood in the clippers You know the clippers have been in my mind team that has been waiting thirteen months to play meaning forgets because they did the trade with two for George in the signing of quiet in July of Twenty nineteen now been over thirteen months since that happened and they have not played in meaningful game until last night. and they had to wade through all of this injuries and load management and pandemic and Strip club chicken wings, and all of these things and they finally were told Hey are you a championship contender or not and they won by forty now? He's going to be carrying over for the next four weeks I. I don't know I can't future but I think the clippers teeth is our Tista is really significant. Okay. All right. Yesterday on PTI. We were asked to do this question for Sportscenter, which is, which is the best job opening in the NBA Emma put this to you. There's the Pelicans, the Bulls we even will agreed the Bulls nobody cares the Pelicans, the nets, the Bulls sixers and Wilbon went right to well, if Gregg Popovich is coaching and I said, well, we'll. We'll. We'll I don't know that we can just make that assumption that Gregg Popovich is going to leave San Antonio and be open to a new job. So I'M GONNA ask you to parts of this one is Gregg Popovich GonNa Leave San Antonio and be open to a new job and two of those teams, which is the best job. Yeah, it's a great question. It is a great question because the probably the best job. To me when I look at opportunities in the NBA my first question and I realized that this is not the case for many people. They don't look at it this way my first question is ownership. Yup because ownership is the hidden or shouldn't say hidden it is the under. Sold most important thing for a franchise because your owner and it's not one hundred percent always true because different owners have different profiles. But if your owner is is is someone that it was positive to work for Then you have a much better chance to be successful, and there's all kinds of shades of gray in this now, the Brooklyn situation. Is. Fascinating because the level of talent that they have their. and the level of you know to huge market and you know it's a it's a low bar. You know they you know you're gonNa Chicken yet this massive influx of talent and you know you're going have to improve on the seven seat and you have an owner who so far he's the newest MBA owner but so far seems to be a good guy to work for WHO's extremely wealthy. You know you know we're we're headed into a time in the NBA worth a lot of teams are going to be facing, cutting and taking talents off rosters. I don't think that's going to happen in Brooklyn The man just liquidated three billion dollars in stock the heck of it. Sorry as I can tell. he know Joe Si- I. think that is a compelling job. Coaching Kyrie Irving can be difficult but I think they hell of a job. When I look at New Orleans I am that is a worrisome situation for me because I think you know Zion is a is a fragile state right now and you were GonNa you know you're going to be expected. To have that team. into the playoffs and pushing very hard, very fast and I don't know what kind of conditions I on his in and then in Philly you have a a roster that is completely completely website sided right now and needs music different overhaul. So I guess put the Nets I. but it's a heck of a conversation. Popovich you think that's possible. Likely Unlikely. I here's what I can say I mean I have not talked to Gregg Popovich and month personally. I cannot believe that he would coach anywhere besides. San Antonio. I just could never see that But I guess I can't rule it out I. Just I just can't see it The fact that Sean marks the Spurs disciple is there in Brooklyn and all of those advantage are there and it's an incredible city of Popovich wanted to do it. The Spurs would not stand in his way they would almost certainly let him go but. You're you're asking if you know Tom Landry would go you know coach the forty niners I i. Could never see it. Yeah no I I agree with that. We'll just put it in play just to be. Provocative because I just thought I. Don't see that at all, but it always everything comes down to Kyrie Irving if you have to coach him us Brad Stevens does he want to coach him the anybody's ever coached them you want to coach this guy again and they'll say, no, won't they they'll say no. Well I think here's the I think both Kyri and Kevin. are incredibly talented but. Their personalities are going to make it difficult I under you. Here's one thing I don't understand last summer. Kevin Durant had an opportunity to link up with. With three or four different superstars. and I have to say that I'm I'm surprised. That his decision was to link up with Kyri you know. was. Interested in playing with him with the clippers or he could have stayed put their understand that was problematic but he could've stayed but he could have gone to a place like Boston. You know that would have been fascinating thing him choosing Brooklyn over the Knicks that I kind of understand it was mind boggling for the Knicks but I understand that but like I said. I think Brooke when as an organization as a place where you'd want to be you know I think if you again if you're picking owners, you would pick Joe Cy over James. Dolan. What we know her at this moment I'm so picking Brooklyn was fine. It was a decision the merits that he chose to get into that was a little bit unusual and it was Kyri who? Who basically sold the sold him on it Kyri recruited him and said, let's do this together and I thought that was a heck of a gutsy move considering Kyrie's history considering the Kyri. When sideways with Lebron James Who durant not only as close to but. I would say idolizes certainly wants to mimic in many many ways. You know he went sideways with him his situation in in Boston went sideways with almost all of his teammates essentially, it was a strange decision for Kevin Durant in my view to to go into that marriage, and so we'll see where it goes I'm skeptical that it will work because of the past results but. I guess I will sit here and watch it and I'll tell you one thing. It's GonNa. There's GonNa be rough patches. And the coach whoever is that coach is going to have a lot of stress on him and I'm not sure that that's the temperament of pop is looking for but. I guess stranger things have happened in pro sports. Thank you Brian. It's always a pleasure we'll talk to you soon. 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This is our friend Dan burn this song called ticket out. From his just released country tinged album Ivan's barbershop song about a great high jumper who fails to deliver at the state meet. kind of a universal tale. The inputs famous. You Know Dan, Bern likes this show and Tan. Burn is famous. I hear his voice all day long stinky dirty. It's just wonderful. We're so happy for Dan Bern, and he plays in Jeff Passan and Jeff Connected to Bluetooth during the break which made us all very, very excited. We're happy about that. Nervous I opened the show with a lament as a nets fan about Lucas Gio Lido throwing a no-hitter last night even though you know that look the trade obviously worked out. Adam Eaton. was starting right fielder on a world series championship team but the nets have no starting pitching now. So what this leads me into a couple of early questions about starting pitching having to do with the Cleveland Indians might cleven jer is back on the big club police AC is not they told them the coolest heels for a little while longer or for the rest of his life what do you make of this whole thing and the? Authority of. Terry Francona. In. CLEVELAND. If I may just diverge from that question for one second because because the G. Lico point you brought up, there is a great one. I was having this exact conversation with somebody last night because it is trade deadline week Tony and and there are there are rumblings right now that I got late last night about a very interesting name I had not heard about that might be being discussed and. The person who asked her told us to me said, Hey, see what g Alito did tonight would you in hindsight have made that trade and I thought hell? Yes. I would make trades world series. If you win rings. The trade was worth it Yep. I. Don't care if you traded God himself for the ball boy you you gotTa Ring then you've won and that's what Mike Rizzo did and he's been very aggressive in trading his prospect. So sorry back to your original question. Well, let me just amplify that for a second I. The only regret is because I look at Feddie and I look at both and I look at what's happened to the aging warrior-god Max. Scherzer. And the fact that you know the other guys got carpal tunnel and is out for the whole year. So you look at the starting pitching which was their strength and you muse about Lucas g Alito but yes, you got a world series. Yes. Of course you do it. Yes. And and let me just say this about Lucas G leader. I was last night. I was going back and looking video looking at video of him when he was on the nationals because I don't know if you remember this but Lucas Chea Lido's best pitch coming up was a curveball which he does not throw anymore and he doesn't throw at any more because what Lucas Deleo did two years ago after he was arguably the worst pitcher in baseball is completely remake himself and I don't know that this story gets told enough. You know especially in in baseball where mechanics are. Are just considered such a pedantic boring thing that nobody really bothers with them. But what Lucas G leader did was akin to what tiger woods did in rebuilding his swing. He looks nothing like the pitcher he did a couple years ago and when when someone does something like that to me, it is a testament to work into perseverance and to to awareness of self and knowledge of your frailty and your ability to fail where you say I can't do it like this. So I have to do it another which to me makes what he did last night even more special. A big deal. He's a big deal I. Let me get. Let me get you back to clovinger and police and Terry Francona. So the Indian situation is really interesting because you talk with a opposing general managers and they believe that Mike Levinger is available right now via trade and it makes me almost wonder if he is up with the Indians, right now is a showcase showcase. Yeah, I agree I. Agree. You you get him out there. You say, Hey, this guy was total knucklehead but remember he can do this and he goes out there and he you know throws seven innings a shutout baseball tonight and all of a sudden it's like Oh yeah. Well, we we've looked past bad behaviour from people in the past. Why would it be any different now? Now, this runs the risk of of doing two things number one. The players in the clubhouse Tony or not ready to bring him back and I don't know that Terry Francona who's out right now and Chris Anthanetis team president would have done that without the blessing of the leaders on the team but lending something the meeting that they had a couple of weeks ago now where Clovinger and police act tried to go to Detroit and explain themselves to the players did not go well. Did Not go well at all. It wasn't just Oliver Perez Tony saying that he was gonNA quit if those guys were were around on the team, there were almost fights there was yelling there was screaming there was m. f. ing up and down this you know you hear about team meetings. This is one of the most heated meetings I have ever heard about, and so the notion that clovinger is going to be welcomed with open arms back into the clubhouse just is not realistic. The notion also that his nickname is sunshine, he's not bringing that much sunshine into that clubhouse. He's not let me well, let me get to to all of the over arching thing about baseball. They're still playing. For four different teams have had. Either full outbreaks or minor skiers. and. They're still playing. Are you surprised they continue to play? I am not surprised anymore. when when the marlins outbreak happened and remember I, it's it seems like forever ago now but it was really just after the first weekend of the season. When the MARLINS outbreak happened. Both I and I think the majority of people around the sport. sat there and thought what are they doing? Are they? Really GonNa try and soldier through this I mean we're talking you know is that week Tony went on. In the number kept climbing I remember Jesse Rogers and I reported the big jump when they were nine extra cases and as I hit send on that tweet I thought to myself this is going to kill the baseball season. And Lo and behold not only. Did it not kill it? In an odd way it made it stronger because at that point that was where they made the decision Tony that we are going to go through this, we are going to fight through this. We're going to soldier through this and I don't know at this point what it would take to shop major. League, baseball down. I thought they are pot. They are pot committed Tony, yeah I agree with that. At this point and you know they have they have said we're GONNA make it to the playoffs and I believe they're going to bubble the playoffs and they're going to crown champion this year. I was GONNA. Ask you will they bubble for the playoffs because it's worked on hockey and basketball so I don't have to ask that but I will ask the sort of larger question here the question of fairness the question of if we do not have an equal number of games for all the teams and decisions are made based on percentages that in a weird way, it is reasonable and possible that you having an outbreak helps you. It helps you in terms of percentages. What do you think about the fairness of that and has baseball addressed that issue? Cutting my youngest son is eight. And one of the one of the great things that has happened during the pandemic. Is He has stopped wining about things not being fair. We have reached that point in his life where he he finally is beginning to understand that when you whine about fairness while you may be morally correct. While while your point maybe completely alien. There's nothing that I or your mom can do to make it better. And Rob. Manfred is the Evil Godfather of major league. Baseball is looking at these teams and saying, Oh, well, we're in the middle of pandemic guys and there is nothing that I can do beyond what I'm trying to do right now, which is put on a baseball season while traveling in the middle of a pandemic. To make him feel better. And I listen. I I wish there were scenario in which everything were fair but I gotta say Tony. Having the cardinals play fifty three games and forty four days is not advantages to them like they are playing double. Ha I think it's a Levy headers over that span. They have two off days over a month and a half like it's not fair to them. It's not fair to the MARLINS. They're getting anywhere close to playing sixty games is nuts to me and and wrong and I think their moral issues about making him do that because. Of the likelihood of increase in injury and because of what it does to the opponents as well playing seven inning doubleheaders and and when you came into the season Tony you built your team to play nine inning game. So it's disadvantage to some teams that don't have roster's constructed quite as well for that seven inning games. There's all sorts of things around baseball this year that make it fair for any number of teams, but the fact that they are playing right now in the middle of a pandemic in doing so relatively successfully. To me helps mitigate that unfairness because it beats I. Suppose the alternative there's going to be down the road. The reckoning is going to be how many pitchers careers ended by what they're trying to do in such a concentrated period of time I guess with their Eyes Open I'll get you out of here on this. It amazes me every year. Why are the angel so bad every single year with what they've got why? The most frustrating thing about it Tony is this would be if Michael Jordan never made the playoffs. Like we still we would still appreciate Michael Jordan's greatness but we all know that that playoffs amplify excellence in the fact that Mike Trout's playoff career through almost a decade to this point is going to consist of three losses to the Kansas city royals. Just. Yeah. It's it's so frustrating. I mean he's right now two of the ten best hitters in the world and that may be a high denominator there. And with the are Yup or with the Los Angeles Angels. This particular this particular team, it comes back to pitching they just they stink. They stink and they they have. Wasted a career and and I I hope I. Hope that going forward they find some damn pitching. Or they can bring somebody in who knows how to find some damn pitching because. They've done to Mike. Trap. It really is the the sporting equivalent of shame. Them. I won't even ask you about the nats I weep every single night I, watched this games and I. Just don't just just go back just go on Youtube and watch video of Daniel Hudson throwing his glove and will bring a smile to your face. Swinging a mess. Thank you. Thank you, Jeff. Thank you so very much. Appreciate it. If I very quickly. Daniel Hudson when I first met him you. I think you know I wrote a book on Him and spent like for you when I when I first met him, he was mainly a fastball changeup pitcher. He did not have a slider and to throw a swinging Amiss slider to Michael Brantley who is one of the great contact hitters in all of baseball. And have him wind up literally on bended knee to Hudson as he chucks his glove toward nothing like he it was the worst throw I've ever seen it play Bryce Harper throwing his helmet at hundred strickland was one of my favorite ends of a world series of all time. Thank you for letting me go Tony, have a great day I love you. Jeff Passan just wonderful. Just wonderful. We will come back with Melania Jingle. I'm Tony Kornheiser. This. Is the Tony Kornheiser, show. Get you the COP. and. Blah Blah. Looking. At. Make big. You. This. So San. Washington football. The the. Ball A. They love. The. Other Brandon. Is so good to hear Joe Arrow. It's just so good to hear Joe Arrow do that song, which is borrowed from John Mellencamp from the song called Authority Song in one, thousand, nine, hundred, three. Lovely. That'll do it for us today. But before we get to the Mailbag, let me just say that we're adding a little something to this month sales contest as you'll know, first prize a Cadillac Eldorado anyone. Would want to see second prize. Second Prize as Alec Baldwin says is a set of steak knives. Third Prize you're fired you get the picture take great. It's a great play and it is a great movie. And WHO's The guy? Who wrote it? Come on Tony's David. Mammoth David Mamat who lives in in Vermont it's just so great cleared Frothy Prize you fired. Thanks to our guest Brian Windhorst. Jeff. Passan. Thanks for sponsor simply safe and Indochino. Remember you can listen to us on apple podcast spotify Google play radio DOT. com. If you get through I tunes, please leave us a review and give us the buffets but that's the Bagel Rape Oh. Yes. We Love Bethesda bagels you. 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From Corey Ernst I just had my David Aldridge moment I was watching the ten o'clock news this evening the top story was on students returning to the University of Michigan as I'm watching. One of the students they interviewed was a young lady named Sidney from Maryland. This was followed by interview with our Father Garry, from Maryland I knew immediately was super G it did. Help that he had on this masks stinks and the young son behind more nationals world champions t shirt. I told my wife I know this guy she looked at me and asked how and I told her he's on my favorite podcast. She shook her head and muttered as she walked away that doesn't mean you know him I just ordered cheery and flip the Lakers game. From crandall in Quebec in. Bromont. Quebec in Canada I really should not call you Mr Old guy as I am fifty eight, but I would just like to say thank you for flying the maple leaf at the end of PTI I always watch T. I right to the end just cr leaf now that they have announced a twenty twenty four Presidents Cup at Royal Montreal I would like to officially invite you cheers be safe and stay in the attic. Thank you. Maybe I'll send Michael to that that. would be great chip Robinson in Mount Pleasant South Carolina. In Monday's mailbag. You quoted some of your favorite song lyrics but in the open drop, the line that could easily have also been song lyrics. When you said Mike Michael is the name got me a woman to call me and I will call her back. I don't know that anything great will come a bit but I'm so grateful for the connection ten more minutes of work three chords and a hook, and you'd be halfway to a rolling stones. And by the way I will call I will call later this morning. Mike Burke Virginia regarding your conversation with Barry on Monday on the nats I think you need to work a little harder on the tone of your voice when you discuss Strasbourg A little more smugness and dismiss. Out of your voice when you discuss world series MVP, it's not quite nasty and arrogant enough Michael. You say I'm much too hard. You've always been too hard on him. He's in working what else getty show you that he didn't do it twenty, nine, hundred, the playoffs kristaps Porzingis is the Stephen Strasburg of basketball at the moment Tony I haven't set foot. In my office since March, my problem is I just can't remember if I left any food in the drawer in my desk, sometimes have nuts in a can or beef jerky. But what if I left something in there there really shouldn't go super bowl unsupervised for six months concerned about the smell Tim cree in Fort Collins Colorado from Matt Rousse Lawrenceville New Jersey. I was interesting to hear Pat Forties. Daughter could swim with a cup of coffee on her head but the. Dying to know when she swims at the gym does she fight with an old orange man about whether the door should be open only if only she swam at the gym that I was at that I don't go to anymore Luke because it's a gym. You know what? I'm saying I go briefly. With very few people in the building. Luke Forty Eight Randolph Massachusetts quick question. Do you remember the flavor names at Dairy Barn on Long Island? My wife is trying to remember the name of our DADS favourite from there. I'll take my answer off line from Brandon. Boers, Zely in Lebanon New Jersey a couple of songs related to rain purple, rain by Prince which may have to do with love or acid rain or acid lover just acid. Okay. So it's a trip I. Love Rano me by the WHO which is about rain despite the spelling unless love is ruling over Tommy and of course, raining blood by slayer, which is about well, it's loud from Patrick. The CENSEO in Laurel Maryland. 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052 The Country House with Graveside Paranormal
"Welcome to ghostly. Is the country House restaurant haunted. ghostly as a podcast that comes out every other week. In each episode, we go story or paranormal event and look into its complete history. Rebecca then gives us evidence proving that this story is real in my job is to debate those pieces of evidence and get you the listener prepared to vote on if it's real or not. If you haven't yet please hit that subscribe button as always we're your host I'm pat and I'm Rebecca, and I am so happy to say that Mondo is back. While Mick Mondo. Man What's been going on Well, it's just been one of those years that saw. One of those year no. Okay. I'm not alone. Yeah I. Know Yours has been really tough. But I'm just so glad that you're back here So glad to have you on I know the listeners always ask about you and in the Trivia contest, you actually came up into of the questions. Yes you are. You're part of the ghostly Lore. Yeah because you're waverly hills song bad stuck in everyone. It's awesome. Sorry we've early hills that's not where you want to A. Rebecca what's been going on with you? Well, you know we're. So busy getting ready for the best time of the year the go sleaziest time of the year. Mostly those. Go sleep time of the year for us is. October. Of course. Though we've got some soup, we have super creepy show today a very excited about it. We're finally getting a little more back into Hall Really Haunted Territory Today but I've also been working on a book club. So I I know mentioned this. but it's officially going to start a think in the next week here. Of. You would like to be a part of our go sleep book club. Be Sure to join our ghostly society on facebook because. Where we're going to. Is that for for the moment. So if you're interested in joining Argo Sleep Club, which will probably read a book every few months, and then do a live chats where we get together and talk about the book will they were going to do a mixture of fiction and nonfiction because it's I did a poll and that's what it seems like people were kind of divided more on the fiction side but I wanna make sure everyone has a has a chance and I also will take recommendations though I wanna try to theme the books of a little bit towards future episodes so that we're kind of. Getting a little extra. Towards what we're GONNA be talking about so. Now what kind of book club is going to be is this going to be the kind where you tell us what books to read we don't read that, but we drink a lot of wine is not going to that no I mean every. What you drink while were chatting is up to you however. My Book Club We, Talk About the book. So. We will definitely about the book I will have questions posted had a time so that people have some ideas things to think about whether reading and no. No I'm excited about it. I. Think it's GonNa be fun. So if you're interested again, it's the ghostly society is our group in a facebook. So if you if you just search ghostly society at a pop up requests membership and we will let you in. Right so do we have any listener mail, oh? Yes we do we. Had some really great listener mail please keep them coming But this one today I apologize has taken us a little bit to get to it. But I I'm excited you read it. This is from Olga. and I I just it's a, it's interesting story. Okay, I. Here we go. I love your podcast especially how you guys debate because I like hearing the point of view of skeptic. There you go. War Really Nice. I have had a few things happened to me over the years. I'm a thirty year old female by the way that I would describe as paranormal slash no real explanation. But there is one thing that happened more recently, which I would love to hear your thoughts on. This was last year I was home with my sister to a teenager and our Chihuahua dog it was in the evening and I was in the living room on the desktop computer while my sister was showering, she got out of the shower and my dog who was laying on the couch gut down to follow her in the room she went in, which was right next to the bathroom. I see just the back of her and distinctly remember her long wet hair from behind I yell to her to turn the dryer on but she didn't answer. So I yelled about two more times growing increasingly impatient because she didn't hear me. So. Frustrated. I walked to the room and I'm confused why she went in without turning the lights on because normally she turns on every single light in her path throughout the house I say as I walk in and turn the lights on why did you not turn the lights on I turn them on and immediately in creeped out because she wasn't in the room I just see my dog sniffing around. So I, say her name questioning and I realize the shower is still running and she. Taking a shower. Shower. I was super perplexed about what I just saw an for a moment I thought I was going crazy. We'll also add that a few months later my brother had a similar moment but in the morning time he had woken up and saw my sister sitting at his computer desk and also just the back of her and noticed it was her because of her hair he got scared and immediately closed his eyes because he realized he was home alone. He didn't see her after and we haven't had anything like this happened since. I would be okay with dismissing this is stressed and do a stress induced moment or due to sleep deprivation or just waking up. But one thing that I cannot get over is the fact that my dog followed whatever this was into the room in my case and sniffed around as if something was there. So. Yeah. She says I haven't gone through all your podcast episodes yet. So I'm not sure if you've covered anything similar to this or I've heard of anyone seeing people familiar to them like this I, would be hesitant to call this ago story because it was my sister I thought I saw I don't know and then she did write back I had a little email exchange with her and she wrote back to say my siblings and I lovingly refer to that moment as the ghost of Christmas Ruby Rubis my sister's name who I thought I saw even though this didn't happen anywhere near Christmas. Everything is the ghost of Christmas this. Mondo. What do you think? I'm sorry. Okay. Really quick. Some things I'd like to add is that there have been random things I forgot about happening such as one time my brother thought someone flicked his hair but no one was there when he turned around another time is when him and his best friend were in the living room and saw what I can best describe as an unusually tall shadow person in the shape of a man about ten feet in front of them. This was the daytime. Okay, oh. Yeah. What are you thinking? It's scary and I think it's time to move. Time, pick up and get out. Yeah. I don't know I think that you're mind plays tricks on you and I think that's what it was. So well again though I, think the the spooky part is two things at mentions her dog I think the like she said, she could write it off as like no you just thought you saw her walking over there whatever. That the dog followed and was sniffing around like where's this? Where's the person that just followed in here, and the fact that her brother also had a similar citing woods interesting is I was just reading about d'appel Ganger Thinking about this and So what's really interesting is that usually the doppler ganger ghosts that you see appears to you as you. And it is dressed exactly like you currently. And it only lasts for a little bit and then it's gone under if this is adopted, Ganger goes that's I was wondering. I Dunno I really doubt it. But senior now giving me it is freaky. You know what else is freaky is that we had a by the way. Thank you Olga for the listener mass great. We had a trivia contest. Yet Frankie right I guess people who entered it was great. It was great We had a lot of people enter. And we did promise on this episode to announce the winner of the ghostly Trivia contest. So it was a really tough contest Rebecca had all the tricky questions in there. I at all the ones that were straight logic. But. There was actually only one person that got all the questions correct. And there were a few that got like one wrong or. A number of people that did really well that got. Close. Tricky Woods in there. But because there was only one person that got them. All correct. That is the winner of the go sleep trivia contest hand it is a listener named. Jodi. -gratulations Jodi. Jodi. Yeah. So we're going to be in contact with you very soon to figure out what kind of goes. Lee t shirt that you want maybe you want the Easter island massacres are. That we made up. For, Bob. From Bob after dark but all in all I gotta say, this was a lot of fun and You know I think we should do it again. Definitely maybe even Mondo will enter next time. No you're not. Allowed to enter, but you are not allowed to win Ha. Because you are associated with goes lease right not allowed to actually. because. Will Yeah, people would be very upset with us and probably you know. Start fire to our surrounding areas or something like that. So Honorable Mention. You're always mentioned. Always. Me were literally answers in the quiz though. You at one of them, you were a wrong answer to though because. You are not the guest that's been on ghostly the most not anymore not. Anymore. But we could be this up today we'll. Honorable Mention. You definitely get an honorable mention all the time. All. Right. So I guess we should just gone to go story right just. Go. Um they forget and there's one thing we gotta do before the Ghost. Story. Yeah we have to to revisit the white sanitarium until the polls of court. I'm always so happy into the ones the last few. So I don't know why I didn't win last one. Didn't you? I don't think so no. I did. You did let's just take it down. Could you go well for you? You know what? I hardly ever win two in a row so Let's see. So at least be as I mentioned our last episode, we talked about the white sanitarium and the question was is Dr. White Sanitarium haunted and it turns out this was actually a really close one. Yeah, it was for a while team believer and team skeptic were tied. But in the end, there was a winner there was a call. At the end. I'm sure. So yes, will is forty four percents and no was fifty six percent. So epic pulled it out to in a row two in a row. I I don't think we're GONNA win this one because this is you better not win this one because I'm sorry this place is haunted. A little bit different one and she goes story I then okay. Let's do the Ghost Star I. Guess in the Mood for today excess go story about the country house. All right. I just got a new job, but I'm not sure if I can stay working there. I was so excited. It's my first job. I'm a hostess at the Country House Restaurant. My first week was pretty smooth I. Mean it was challenging to remember everything and it got really crowded on the weekend, but it went pretty well all things considering. My second week though things started to get weird. All Week long as I was getting to know the other employees they kept telling me stories about a ghost in weird stuff happening. They didn't seem super freaked out by it, but they were serious. They all said they wanted to warn me before something happened to me. The Cook said that once while working a motion center censor went off upstairs he went upstairs a door was open that should have been closed. He closed it. He goes back downstairs and the other cook says it's going off again. So he goes back up and the door back open again, he closes it again and then the door he says starts like shaking he ran out he said but. He came back because he realized that at this place, those kinds of incidents are just what happens but no one's been hurt. Another guy who works as a server told me there is a nail in a room upstairs that pokes out because no matter how many times they hammered in it just comes back out. The assistant manager told me. She heard a baby crying once but no matter where she looked she couldn't find it and then it just stopped. I was more than a little freaked out by these stories I mean, there were so many that isn't even all of that. But I thought maybe they're playing a trick on me in it'll be fine. Then in my fourth week, it happened. I had an experience I couldn't explain. I I was in the ladies room and I heard the stall door next to me open but there was no one else there. But okay, it happens like wind or whatever. But then I heard screaming like super loud screaming coming from upstairs. I ran upstairs because I thought maybe the manager was up there and got hurt. Only, she wasn't up there. No one was everyone who was downstairs getting ready for the dinner rush. So went back downstairs and told the manager what I heard thinking. She must have heard it too. But she said, she didn't. However, she believed me she told me that others have said the same thing about the bathroom and she herself is heard screaming but has never found anyone. So. Am I brave enough to stay here? I'm. Not. Sure. Wow. So, how much of that is based on fact Rebecca? All of it. All of it. Combined. Obviously. People. they this. There's so many stories at this place. I could never get them all in unless I, put some of them in the ghost. Right and that actually brings up a really interesting point have did you know that the country house was onto? I didn't I mean there's a country house in my town, but it's you not haunted I have not been to this one and you were the one that told me that it was haunted super haunted stay right? They say, Mondo, have you ever been to the country house? Oh yes. So I you know. You don't have to give specifics, but how close do you live to the country house? I would say just a couple miles. It's almost straight up the road from me. Yeah right it is. It is pretty close. Have, you had any experiences there at the country house. Just hunger hunger you were hungry after being at the hundred dollars no before before but. No no longer different feeling last. The bird actually. Yeah they have. That OKAFOR is good I've had that. and. They're soup. Oh Yeah. They're soup is good. Day have really good buffalo burgers too. So yeah that that's why men Buffalo Burgers. All the. Odd. Burgers there. So so did you know it was haunted before you went in there the first time or do you have any stories or people talk about it while you were there I'd only heard the story from pat originally and I mean this goes back twenty years. I'd say and then I ended up eating dinner. Afterwards, and that then I've eaten there, you know many times. Okay. I bet you've never felt anything no I think the ghost make the food tastes better. So, this is another episode that I really wanted to do for ever since we started go-slow a I'm I have been to the country house probably. At least a dozen times probably more than that They do have some of the best burgers there. So you know it's near and dear. To my heart, and that's how I found it I had heard of the country house that they had the best burgers and It was actually probably about a mile down the road from where my from where my aunt used to live so. one time when. I was visiting her I plan to go out there. And It's it's in Clarendon Hills Illinois. But I didn't know about it being haunted. So I went there and as soon as I got in and was seated at the table, my head felt very, very heavy like I could barely hold it up. And I when I was a little bit more, which he I would associate this with being in a haunted spot. By didn't know it at the time because I was only like fourteen or fifteen during this. Yeah. It just was super super heavy. If felt like if felt like I could barely hold my head up enough to sit there even and then about five minutes later it went away and I was able to have the food and it was very good of course. So I've been there numerous times after that and never had that occurrence again never never had anything like that. Happen to me. Ba later on after my first initial visit is heard Richard Crowe talk about it in an interview and for those of you that don't know who Richard Crowe is. He was one of the biggest names in paranormal in the Chicago land area. He unfortunately passed away in twenty twelve, but he did mention that the country house was haunted. So. Through the years I, I've seen a lot of retailing's Richard Crow's version of the story and and various TV shows and whatnot. So right when we came up with the concept of ghostly, this definitely was one of the first things that I added onto our list of episodes that I wanted to do. And let me tell you guys that this will not be a typical ghostly episode as you guys can tell were on zoom right now we do that. So we can have Mondo on the show and Also, we have an interview lined up and that is done over zoom. Wow. So. While doing some research for the episode I came across a Youtube documentary. and. Was Super surprised that it was done by some friends of ours Ed graveside normal. So we asked them for an interview and they were able to do it. They were so awesome and we had a lot of fun interviewing them and Neil did such a great job covering the history that I really don't have anything to add to the history I know that's Weird I. That I don't have something to say about it but I really don't. So we're going to just skip the history section and just let the interview play. And by the way, this is only about half of our interview with Neil and Steve from graveside paranormal to watch the video of our full interview head over to Youtube. They talk all about some other investigations and even a demonic entity bed. You don't WanNa miss and a bathroom breather. and. We. Go sleigh. No, the bathrooms are often haunted. Several stories about that so anyways. Here's the interview after a short break. Hey guys. Have learned over the last couple years is the key to a really good podcast is two things getting plenty of apple podcast reviews. And Lots of caffeine. You can help us with both of those head over to apple podcast, write us a review, and if you feel up to it, you can even buy a cup of coffee. You can go to buy me a coffee dot com slash podcast or just go to ghostly PODCAST DOT COM and click on the bias coffee. You can sign up for a membership or at one time donation toss it would really be appreciated. All right. So let me introduce our special guest. We Have Neil and we have steve here from great side Paranormal Hello Welcome guys nice for site. Thank you guys so much for coming on ghostly. We are huge fans of graveside paranormal Why don't you guys start off by telling us a little bit about yourselves? Do you want me start Steve or do you WANNA start? Yeah you start. All right. A lot of people asked me right into beginning. Well, how'd you get a paranormal and I'd like to tell them the truth at when we do our tours and everything like that I tried to be completely open and honest. The reason why is because there's a lot of people out there who have had something happened in their lives and their little afraid to talk about these things. So I, kind of call it the G. A. where nine amiss by almost like alcoholics anonymous or something like that, and what happens is and what happens is. We let we get. So we start telling stories so you can start telling what's going on in their lives and it actually does help them. My case was was about when I was about seven years of age I. I grew up in the Mt Greenwood area in that area. Well, yeah, and I was on south side Chicago. Chicago and my mom and dad were going through a really bad divorce at the time my miles raising to other a three race and every night at three o'clock always for some reason three o'clock She starts screaming up in about three o'clock every morning and it started becoming like a clockwork whereas almost like an alarm. So I would start waking up in a one night just happened wake up on my bed and what I saw in the hallway was a small like little demonic looking creature. and. I looked at it and it looked at me and then looked into my mom's room. And it looked back at me and smiled. and then it proceeded to my mom's room and then that's when she starts screaming. Now understand was only seven years old when this happened. and. So it wasn't that I was ever looking for paranormal just seeing the having a follow me find me. And after that, that's when I start questions certain things in life and as I got older that's when I started reading about things getting into things listen to shows like art bell. Of Our. Money's. Love that Guy but that's what happened with me and when I found out was there called IMPS. They usually come in about three weeks and are lower class demon demons are real. They are real, but they're not to the way. Hollywood is is it but it just it but they do exist what happens is. Is that. When we're in our band states in life either to alcohol drugs, depression or whatever. We kinda opened up a little door and we open up the doorway. Opens up just a little bit when it starts but then throughout time because you're going through this progression. It opens up more and more and more, and then that's when people are getting possessed and certain things do happen like that. But that's how I start. Wow okay. What about what about you Steve? Oh. No mostly, I like to tinker around with stuff eletronics and stuff like that and kind of funny how Neil and I hooked up and started this whole investigation. I always been interested in the paranormal had some experiences in the past and like everybody dreams come true You know things like that a lot of family history about the mostly I like to build things and I just felt compelled to build the first version of the syrup box that we use. I love by the way that is as list. Yeah. Yeah That was a weird experience. It was like waking up at three in the morning and putting it together. Just being driven to do that got it together my my younger brother works with Neil and my younger brother is way into the paranormal. And he was going to be housing for me. So I thought I'd built him this box and there's plenty of cemeteries around our. House and he could go and mess with it He thought it was pretty cool and then I. Quickly met up with Neil when I came back from my neal was doing a little. Bus Tour thing that he does and. My brother says hey. Neil. Check this out and it was real skeptical, right? He's like. Whatever so opened up my trunk. Turn on the box Neil starts talking to starts answering him like right off the bat like like did I feel this thing for him because it doesn't do that with me And and then we just sort of like what you know your who's pretty convinced right away. I think he started having a little conversation going with what I don't know this a while ago but. you were asking questions and it was giving you answers that were relevant Conversational. And we decided to take it out and. I just sort of been pulled into this it because of the building the box and is real interesting. New Mill takes a really cool places and. We have some I've learned a lot working with Neil. Watching his video so That I have been skeptical about and have some personal experiences where on like. That's not normal. That is paranormal that is I can't explain it I'm a pretty skeptical guy Even. You already system even then. I'll have some I'll probably Pose a couple of questions about what what are we experiencing and Is it actually communication or is it something more? Along the lines of. What our brain is doing her brain it might be interpreting what we're hearing, but we can get into that and I think that's Usually, the direction we go when we talk about stirrup pox. Oh absolutely. Absolutely. I would love to talk about that. Let's if you want to we can talk about you talk to. Start off with that then. Yes. Since we've already mentioned it. So okay. So are you a musician? Did you have like this Snow Whitman on hand? Okay. 'cause I noticed amp there's a guitar metal. I'm I'm assuming it's some kind of distortion paddler of some kind. Are you familiar with steep off? Shelbourne normal. Okay. watch a little bit of that and kind of listening to what he was doing and reverse engineered a bit from that, and then we built the Hotta, which is different than what you might see. But our first our first box was the chocolate box and it was you know basically I kind of look what he was doing and I thought. That's interesting. Let me build one Tommy would like that. Thomas, my little brother. And And but it worked. It's crazy. It worked some of The Times? When you when you get this guy when you get neil involved, it works. We out other places and we've met other people. And I think we'll get to that a little bit too. Let's we have some pretty cool video. Sir people have used our box and actually had what they felt were communications some very convincing communication as well. answers that are intelligent than would be hard to. BE RANDOM. You know random answers from spirit box is so I hit we kind of embarked on this journey. It's almost two years in. We've had some people talk to us about some this equipment but like what's the philosophy or how does your spirit backwards like like I know isn't their thing where is like the rate? It's like going through the radio dials or like whatever like what's kind of the the thought behind it? Like what is it doing? Right. So what like? A spirit radio where you have actual radio frequencies and you're flipping through the channels with that, you'll get a lot of extra noise, white noise, and some of the thought has been that communication can happen because of the white noise not not. The voice coming over the radio and. So what we do is we go through it radio station. So we're going over the Internet and we. Re just have. Clear audio I'm coming through. And Guitar pedals are Pretty Handy because what they do is that we have you know noise gate and so forth. To filter out. Yeah and we're able to really fine tune it where we hardly have anything coming through. The amplifier it is. So Napa Fire. It's a It's a portal that's what we'll call it. It's a portal, it's an amplifier, but it's more than that because of the stuff that we've done internally inside of the amplifier and that we have on the outside that enhanced crystals we have. That is good conduction. We even have red rock from SEDONA. was telling me to and don't have some Some sand from someplace or something as well. Well, well, that's the crushed red rocks and and then. and then we have courts and we have electromagnetism and we. You know we do our thing at the end we pray It's the the amplifier supportable and what it's meant to do is amplify. The. Portal using all these energies and the energy of the operator. So when Neil comes in and he's operating it his energy for some reason Helps US get intelligent answers. We'll be get sometimes answers. That are that are gibberish yeah. We get trauma that we get a lot of my call. I call garbage or noise because when we have to edit our videos like I gotta go through all this. Smile names we gotta go through those videos to figure out as Steve Ashley has really good year when we go through the audios on the spirit box on the Anaheim report on on, he does a really good job with that I mean we both we both sit inside the office and we go through just to get like three words. We might sit there for a half hour debate in it. It's IOS and going through all this stuff man especially when you say. Didn't you say that you both have to agree on something in order for you to say that that's what they said. Yes it has to be an agreement and like I said we. Actually argued about and I mean we. You know and. This is what it is. When you watch videos, we put words up on our video what we agreed on what we heard. Now, some people watching our videos you know they might have heard something else What we would like is or folks and put them in the comments you know or shy they don't play a lot of stuff in the comments I've. Only only nice things though. Sometimes sometimes when you're hearing these things, it's like a form. Apparent. OLEA WHEN Hearing what they want to hear that's why we have people who are skeptics I agree with you question everything you should but the. Windward getting exactly intelligent answers when I say, Hey Can you fill in the blanks ABCD and then he? Will then if I say are when your legs want to three and then you give four. Why why not only that? When you do a prayer. In this video yet the video glimpses finishes his prayer right in the beginning we're at Mount Olive Cemetery. And in the beginning, we're doing putting through tests face came. And I'm doing prayer and it fills in the blanks. And check it out. It's it's not a perfect thing not by. But. It hardly priced. So, we started to just like what will we do for every episode I wanted to do the country House 'cause I've had some weird feelings there and I'm the skeptics Oh, you know it's always been a place that I've that I've thought about doing an episode about and we were gathering our information and I remembered this really cool video that I saw on Youtube. And I was like well, I'm definitely going to check that out to see what happened and they were doing a paranormal investigation and it turned out it was you guys. can you tell us how you got to do this investigation at the country house? Well, you know what I was doing as I as I always do I research anything as. Journalism Very 'cause I don't like him to travel too far and Chicago land area has allowed haunting. So they did was I called just like every year who wants to check out some just ask you're gonNA find out eight times out of ten people are GonNa be really really welcoming to you and but you're going to get your minds for just made lease law. Madrid time I just make a phone call. I talked to the man's the owner and at the time it was mansard limb banks. And I. We went there and I told her what we were about she in. This is the truth she said she goes I just did because I felt like something was just write about a you guys. I appreciate it I really do appreciate that. So I met with her I brought my wife I brought Steve of course, and we did a preliminary investigation and like the video shows. We go down to the basement and we turn on the Anna and we start talking and I for some reason I just thought of the question because I know I put the card inside wall and you can see it in the video. Yeah. I asked the question. What is the Lady's name. Now she just went upstairs she's manager she has to take care of stuff. So she goes upstairs and. I asked the question, queue us the name of the lake and just went upstairs and it goes I think goes we know banks and then I show Steve the cart and seems like this. And it was just. Thing and that's what we're talking about with Outta Outta is the intelligent answers to the intelligent questions that we give. That's the most important part. Anybody can get gibberish San to four or five. Down whatever but once you start asking questions in holding a conversation will now you got something there To. See would you say was that maybe a moment or Neil to like they thought this is maybe going to be a special place like this is going to be a good investigation. Oh Yeah. I knew right off the bat especially running after that I sent the story itself just sounds really cool 'cause it's not that much different the the way the place was built from the Irish. Legend I just get their feeling and understand I'm a sensitive, but it's not like I just. Feel like everybody feel insulted. You know only gas Stockton's here man and did you have a feeling when you walked in? No. Not Really I have to be honest with you we have places where island think anything was going on but here's the thing is the evidence that you get asked to the investigation Sometimes like for instance, we went to whispers estate I walked in there and is thinking this ain't nothing. But. When we got home, we went through all the evidence. Except in the door opening up, and it did it opened up zone West. That was. Sending that room together and doors just open. New, can you do something? Can you open the door and? The door opened it was like what the? Are. Those steps. That Happens like that the door opens you know like we started looking for like, how did they do this? Where's some where's? Where's The next in the next clip I'm showing. This door. It's and. You see it rants I go stopped I go Steve Stop. And go look at his door it was. So it was an old very old door. And there's no way someone pool that was a string. But the wind didn't do it either, right? No. Beckton. was. We got was Lynn banks and we got that name and then I said Oh we gotta come back here and you hear it at the end in the preliminary thing I said are you guys okay with US doing this year? Yes. Yeah and then you keep an eye go all right I'll talk to you later. Bye. Your by we do not have somebody in a quarter tribe. If you find him, let him go. So I can cook. So we take, we take the box out of place like the Country House and we do that initial investigation and we get. An intelligent answer like that, and we go back and review, and we noticed that there's more than one thing that happened We're like, okay there's there's something here Then we get an idea of what we're investigating what we're getting into That's why we do the preliminary with the Anna Hotta. Okay. So that's like a regular thing that you try to do initial. Yes s nothing piece equipment just. So everybody knows I know in this country who is more than that? We use it a lot in there yet that is very true. It's because it's not the only thing that we filmed. There's a lot of film that's out there but if you do not get any evidence off the other women that you're using. Go is what you can use. And the thing is, is that we get always a lot of good replies from the Anaheim box. We did get the M. F. off we did get to ev piece. But you don't you don't have something you'll keep everybody there for a very long time being very bored just looking at film. Yeah. How many do we? We have like seven or eight we have eight security cameras that we use on our investigations. Nobody wants to watch all that No, but we could. Do. There's nothing. Nothing they are. There's a lot of nothing in the in the investigations and then there's the something you know, and there's something is really We do catch quite a bit of that and the Country House we had A. Bit of some things like the experiment that we did You know where you would you put the. He is the little emf meters on the stairways because the story of the person who is seen walking up the stairs. Yeah. Story goes just say you guys know is that back I think in the sixties there was a police officer. For. Whatever reason he was living in the second floor of the country house and every night he would hear pounding on walls he were here footsteps going up and down the stairs. So now understand we just go by the stories that were told we don't make them up we just try to listen to him and try to clarify if these stories are real because every story that's told Whatever, it is even a legendary story. There's an ounce of truth to each and every one of these things I'm telling you right now there is announced true to these things so sure enough. I. Put the IMF on the stairs in the country outside one of them. and. You'll see in the video, it definitely does go off as but I was wondering, what would you say certain at the Country House that you'd say is the most haunted. Me Personally, no, there's hold on. Let me let me stop and say that again supposedly other people get a feeling on the main floor when you go to eat now Patrick's. Where the eating area Oh, yeah. There's some. Dozen Times, right. There's something about the West End Corner. Where people have gotten dizzy and they start feeling things, I feel anything. I believe that there is something there. Yes it's something intelligence. I don't know if there's residual haunting. But there's no particular place where I think it's more than any not will actually that was going to be my next question too is that so you're calling the ghost intelligent now I know what this means but I don't we've never talked about this with our with our listeners before. So there is intelligent ghost. There's also a residual u Do you WanNa talk about that a little bit? Sure. Now improv where you're like I know intelligent. means. So. So. Let's with residual haunting. Residual. Haunting is a haunting debts just a time. Auntie. Is something either traumatic or dramatic happens in a timeline now sometimes was based off of a thing called the stone tape Siri. Stone tapes theory is basically either courts water crystal sometimes blood through a traumatic or dramatic thing that happens within a timeline and what does is like a recording and time and that recorded keeps going over and over and over like a loop. Exactly it happens. Now understand it happens a certain time for a certain reason. Either either through magnetism or something like that but it definitely does happen. It's happening now times I believe at the Irish legend I don't know if we never saw anything residual ignited maintain the base anything residual at the country house now intelligent one. Could be something like we're you're actually making communication like you and I are talking right now. That's intelligent conversation. Yes. So that's an intelligent haunting. Now understand sometimes intelligent haunting is people like you and me in life we all have a choice, my right or wrong. I have a choice either be a bad guy or a good guy right. Every second every second. So what happens is we all make choices. Some spirits went be when they die they choose not to go to light. As a choice that they make either it be because they hem finish something or they're just happy and pleasant here. and. So that's part of the intelligent haunting. They have the intelligence to go either here or there or stay where they wanna be as part of the intelligent haunting I. Hope they. So they choose to be there than at that moment maybe sometimes yes I'm saying sometimes sometimes people make a choice even death. Okay Song. Times people don't know that they died when we were talking about the traumatic dramatic things that happened like we were talking about the story of the girl who got into the car wreck. And once again. Burtless you want me explain that right now you can explain that right now. File story understanding of the story, right. So the legendary story, this is only legendary story goes into your house as there was this young girl Okay what inside the bar of the country house in she was in love with the bartender. And she asked him if. He would watch her child he said No. She stormed out of the place got into her car went on fifty fifth street drove down and God no car wreck and died. That's the story. Now, here's after doing research on this afternoon research if you cannot find the name of somebody more than likely, they did not exist. Once again, this legendary story, the the true story to this. Guy Scott healthy and I talked about in the video. He sent me an email because researching it and we're going through thanks to find out the truest. So what we do is we take legendary store and we try to find what we can about the truth and so Scott Halki sent me this email saying that yeah, there was in about nineteen, fifty six is more towards the fall. Early fall and there was a lady who got car crash and suppose she was a nurse that lived in the neighborhood neighborhood of cleared in hilts. And people when they came on all the emergency vehicles. The body was still in the car. Okay. People saw a lady though leave the car at walked towards the front entrance of Country House and went inside was she and why? What's that was? She annoyed? Was Lady and Blue Blue. So Natalie in white this time. Right you know there's there's. There's so many laser. Is. One thing was is that she went inside and one guy decided follow in. And he didn't at foul, find her any to see this lady cicely. No. Now, this is what happens in you. It's up to you decided we tell people you believe what you WanNa believe. Sure. There's a thing that's called astral projection and astral projection can either happened a couple of different ways and the way it happened supposedly with this when we have an umbilical cord when you're born, you have Nabil court correct. So and then that's And then you live the life you have here. So then the other one is supposed to be the umbilical cortisol. That umbilical cord if you're going through something traumatic like a car crash sometimes, what happens this is what I read. Is that the cause you from any pain or anything like that you are rejected as sole your essence whatever is ejected out in the body. And it snaps the umbilical cord. Now, some people don't know that they've gone over to the other side at first and sometimes get lost. And they're nasty things of What supposedly happens in. Things like that and such as that thing of the flight five, twenty nine also happens six fries saw from that place lost seventy eight people died. So. What happened was a lady from England. She came in and one day I was like in the nine hundred ninety s she said that this place here the country house by the way has good birds in they do. We have one in Geneva to funding. was. The carpet I mean airplane crash six blocks south for Nov. Trios. And could have also be the same thing that happens where they jetted out of their bodies in their loss. I believe that does happen. We're the spirits just get lost in. They don't know what's going on and it does sound weird. Well, time has gone by get you figure it out yet I don't know I haven't been dead yet so I don't know how. I. Don't know exactly about stuff like that. And that's what I try and tell people there are experts in this field. There's like good researchers there unless you died and you come back, you're not gonNa tell me really what's going on. You can only research the things that you can fight. So those those are some of the stories and so when we did the the research, the girl, we never found out an identification on any girl so that does not exist. And if the child did live, who is she? Eric Living. Well, there's defecation for her either. Okay. So the bartender at the time, what was his name? All, you know. So once again, this is something that's built legendary story that has some truth to it, and the truth is of this lady who did because it was actually documented witnessed by a guy by Scott healthy who lived there as a teenager young teenager. So. That's partially the truth to that story. Thank you Steve Do you. Have you do it based on what you've seen like do you believe this that the intelligent versus residual like? Or the story of this woman like does that ring true to you based on your investigation? What I got from the investigation was that there was an intelligence were picking up onto the Anna Hotta that was familiar with wind banks They were building something if we went back and looked at that and listen to the audio over and over again, see here like noises in the background and like they're building something and So I don't know what that could have been historically with the building Could have been owner of at some point could have been somebody that Lynn new was it somebody that just observes linen knows that she's the owner or the manager at this point it knew who she was and I don't really necessarily tie that to the lady and blue story But there there is something there But I don't know if the legendary stories are tied to it, what I liked to think, and there's no proof to this is this more like you kind of cool story is somehow that airplane crash and the victims of it I'm just like the victims of A. car accident might have just found their way to the country houses the country house on. that. Is it almost like something that they're drawn to it like once. Yeah there's. Then like more. Later related. You know it'd be something in the land it could be some sort of A. Natural, phenomenon with that section of land They could be somebody that happened in the building at some point, the history in terms of any type of rituals that may have happened but It could be a draw for the paranormal so and if it just feeds. People who are there like maybe you have an attachment and maybe some people that work there have attachments and that's what we're picking up on. This guy also realizes that the building was originally built in nineteen twenty two by the Cole family. Owned it, and another thing that happens is. Built in nineteen, twenty two, and so we're talking over one hundred years of age and. Extend. It goes through building changes and supposedly spirits there linis. Things don't like that. That's one of the other theories is that you you change something of building supposedly do have some kind of affect that does happen but ears a couple of things down. There was a story of the Custodian at the Country House and this is where the thing of the girl now here's here's problem is. You read some different articles they're put out about this girl that senior Jukebox jukebox goes off by itself. and. The Custodian SAR. SOM- report a blue dress lady SOM- report a red dress lady So once again, you're getting conflicting reports so you don't know. When I talked to the guy if I remember, right he said Blue Dress because I did talk to custodian. And he said that the the Jukebox tick off and he said that that's what witness he said. He saw girly asked her to leave and as she started to come closer, he knows that her legs, he could not see the feet. Now what happens is supposedly in some billions when they go through work or anything like that, and it's like the floor was little bit lower that's what we're talking about. Revisit Residual Haunting Patrick. Is that. It'll is still on the same floor as the original time line whereas people seem heads just going across the floor. Because actually maybe the floor was six feet deeper before before reconstruction. So that could also be a residual haunting right there. That's all. Yeah. So they they say that he did the jukebox kept on off like three times in. Illinois. was by the third time out there he saw the girl. At no time did we see a girl? We did ask the question many times. What's your name was again identification. Thing is, is that we've found his picture and banks the manager found this picture you see the video of this little girl. From nowhere. It just falls from the ceiling. Why Were trying to figure out who this is. You'll see in the video three times the name sewer suzy. Yeah. We're not saying that's who that is. We're just putting it out there as. It's different. When you hear when I asked you suzy, how old are you? You hear little girl's voice that says sick on the other Hata. Buying your time right. And she goes gives the age and it has intelligent answer sounds like a young female. And with the number I. You don't know what to say about things like that when you see it. but in a couple of things, is that then in nineteen seventy, four, the original David. Who bought the place the country house, and they were going through rehab rehabilitating off place Supposedly, the shutters open and closed, he was with the Construction Guy and the shutters would open and close, and it was something else that happened but and he thought that construction guy was messing around. and. So he said I didn't do anything David said, I didn't do it and so they left it at that and they left the place. No shutters ever happened with us because actually the way the knows are now I, believe they're all seal. Windows look seal to me. They don't look like they open and that door. Supposedly that back door that goes out to fifty fifth street there was not a door there I believe at the time. or it wasn't an exit door something like that. That's not an people seeing people have seen a lady a young lady. Up, in the upper part of the window. On the second floor wooing people to come in to the place. We did not see anything like that. Of course, we're running dry or. Man. Girl comes wave Often, we get. We got some VP's right I didn't Michelle Guei. Michelle Michelle went in there and she asked the question is anybody from the flight five, twenty, nine, your and of course we get EDP. Yes. Jane James. Another one of our guys. He went into the basement area a just talking in this and that you are a male voice I want to be like you. As a full sentence, I want to be like you. We've been actually very lucky get the things that we've gotten. In time that we've been doing this I. Just think it's so amazing of the things especially like Steve. It's it is. It's odd it's on what happens when we get all together and these things just start happening why you're listening to the tape these on digital tape recorders and listening to them, and you hear a voice that you didn't share when you were there. It's A. Different voice. It's not one of ours and it saying something like you WanNa be like you it's what the heck. Jordan Fan. Mike. Like my area go. Joseph, a little bit. Seve's did you were there was there any evidence that didn't make the cut into the video? That you heard. I. Mean there was stuff that we argued about You know putting this together You know like we'll see something fly by it. That was the norm. Now I don't know it was normal I think it might have been dust you know I mean there's a lot of stuff like that. That were looking at. Sometimes we'll see a piece of dust that just like you know it's like what was that and then sometimes see something that we're pretty sure wasn't us but was it a bug? The hardest things to figure out man I hate. With a passion. So when They're going to hear you're like I'm going to have security cameras right now from the Sally House Right. and. What I've seen right now is because I believe there's a portal that goes from the basement all the way up to the second floor. and. I'm seeing these things that are collide blinking. And they're going really slow in a have a tail to it. My personal thing is sometimes when you see a tail on some of these things, you can't go out at the heck is that thing and going in it's just going. So late slow I mean like it and then one of these things it's going into the wall and account looks like a platform. And I'm like what the? Hell's nats and so these are the things that I'm five, eighty, nine, some the videos, and then we got to take it over to Steve and we gotta goes through all in hopefully we. Were actually seeing because you can't put it on. You're just by yourself because if you do you're GONNA look stupid. That's okay. So I have I have one last question and. And I always asked this where is the most? Place, you've ever been. Right now I would say Sally House but Actually Bachelors Grow Cemetery People don't realize it's. GonNa, come out and scare you like ooh. The attachments there's a there's attachments they're. They're people don't understand if you're very weak minded weeks sold kind of person and you're walking through there. It's going to cling onto you if you're a had problems with depression drugs or alcohol, these things are real they will cling onto and that's why I I like. You have people who WanNa, do tours at night investors go senator and find good for you. I've actually thought about the idea but I'm not lying to you when I say this when we do the tourist, we do it at Bachelors Grove at night but we do the back in we still because there was a lot of land, it was farmland back in that day. We still get activity back there. I actually have to go through an alignment I go to church and I have to say prayers because you can feel these things not everybody feels and I'm not trying to sound super matic about it but it's just something that's very real with me. It's you start to feel like yourself. You don't feel like going to the gym today in this not goes he's five six days a week, and the thing is is that I just don't feel like it it it it drains you it really does that. At area there is a very real area. What about you Steve What do you say? steadier prayers after done. Interest Grove matches grove at the top of the list. Yeah Yes Sally. How some actually Addison the town. Is probably the most haunted place I've been We did investigate them that the hotel that we stayed at there. There's a little a sneak preview will be putting out of that the hotel is haunted and You know. again, a little kid story. I don't think these are little kid ghost I think that there's something more going on and But it's the whole town is haunted. You'll feel. It's called. Kansas there's only like club is only like twelve hundred people who live in the town. And the hope they have like four four different haunting inside the town. And they have another haunting from train. At its it's very weird place we're talking to a very small town. And they have all this activity I wanNA. Go again, people really nice to us never really nice twist like I went in there and nearly all were so glad you came they gave me a six pack graft bat. Yeah. People know. Sally? House right. SIX SODA Beer. Yeah. Very, nicest people. Makes people in the town But there's still something. About. It and. Sensitive Our smart about the The box was very chatty You know when we first started and. At the Sally House, and then when we brought it to the hotel, we were getting stuff and Yeah. I would say it's a toss up. BATTISTON investors girl probably the most. And it's crazy. Okay Gentlemen I wanNA thank you both for coming on ghostly. We had a lot of fun. You guys have have a lot of knowledge and I wait to get you guys back on again sometime. where can our listeners find you guys? All right. So they can go to graveside paranormal on Youtube. And Friday nights on facebook our side paranormal facebook page we start off the show on every Friday night, and what we do is we converted over to our podcast aren't youtube channel. The podcast is spirits by the graveside. out every Saturday. 'cause we just like you guys got a converted over. We do that and we try to put a lot of things that you too. We try to. So in we also have website www. Dot Com your website is awesome by the way Steve Built it. He's the man. Savior awesome. I'm a web designer. So I know that's That's a nice site there. Yeah, and that's what he does an. He's so happy right now you said that. Now I don't. I don't do host I'm in psychology but yeah database stuff. I, focused on but yeah, you have to know that. Looks Good we're outsmarting to So our podcast on spotify. Links, in our show notes for you guys. Yeah. Okay. So do you guys have anything going on that? You think our listeners would be interested in? Yes. So talk all night and make it announcement, but I'll make it right here on the show right now be are going to do a Halloween Costume Party at the forge is going to be a Halloween Costume Party investment each we are scary stories at night. We are going to give people equipment. There's going to be food there's going to be drinking and believe you me I'm GonNa make very reasonable price because. I want everybody to have fun I is there. Is there in prices for the? Mass Tomb. was. That is their prizes for the best. Costume. We don't know. Okay, it's a secret. You're not going to tell us yet. Tomorrow night tomorrow night on Griesheim paranormal spirits by the grapes that we were going to announce it by denouncing you, I, I. Tour Thirty First Full Moon night on Saturday night you can't go wrong man. That's awesome. Steve. What about you? Do you have anything to plug or anything? No I mean. Basically what we're doing on. Neil night do this together so her. Party. Only. Hey go-slow society. It's Rebecca. How you doing I go sleaze bringing a little joy to your life. Once in a way, you can spread that joy into all of your life. By some ghostly gear. We've got ghostly shirts sweatshirts, even little onesies. We even have hash tag team believer and well, I guess Hashtag team skeptic to visit ghostly PODCAST DOT com slash store to get your ghostly merchandise today ghostly podcasts dot com slash. Store. All right. So welcome back. Thank you guys for sticking around I. Hope You guys enjoyed that interview Mondo. You weren't there. So what did you think the interview? It's awesome. The a there. The spirit box The amount. Boy, I was just blown away that thing's amazing. Video of that too. Yes. Yes. What did you think of that spirit box? It's crazy. Isn't it? Yeah. It's a cool looking little guitar amp, but it is. Yeah. That's the first thing I thought of but same here same here. Yeah. It's just amazing because he's having like you said intelligent conversation with this thing it's not just bl-. Remember when you first had the spirit box episode on and I was mentioning that you can hear the the scored a cubs game in there. Yes. Great none of that none of that. No, you could. You know and I never. Had made the connection I I didn't even know that there was a plane that had crashed near Clinton hills I didn't know either until. Do. The research yeah. So I, I don't WanNa put you on the spot, but do you have a song for this episode? Own. No. It had. Okay. There's nothing to do with the Pete, the passengers it's just a lady. Okay. Just, the Lady Lady in blue. Yup. I'll keep it quick. There's lady we don't know. They claim she died long ago. Knew the country house where her so was trapped burger his his son. Love it. That's your. Wayne for some Oh my God I love that so much on. I just thought about it. We don't get a chance to play Pat Facts Ono. fx Yeah. Pass friends. Fats facts. He presents. In fact. That's all right. This is this is good. Okay. Are we ready for the DEBATE REBECCA? Yes, definitely. Ready. All right. All right. So I wanted to start off with the very first haunted. Episode or Hunt Hunting. Episode that came out and we talked about it a little bit in the interview but just a re grouped together right the building was built in the twenties but the first reported haunting 's really didn't happen until the mid seventies when there was the big renovation of it the owner David and a contractor or a couple contractors were meeting in the bar area when six independently operated shudders all opened at the same moment filling the late with the room with light. So the owner David was really freaked out by this. So he actually called Richard Crowe, who was the big name at the time? To investigate Richard brought to Sakic's and they were the ones who said, they had contact with the woman who had died nearby in the fifties. Again, this is kind of gets muddled with the leg where she having a relationship with the bartender. was there a kid like all of those things that we talked about? In the interview but you know this is the original incident, which is the shudders all open Bam at once. And okay. The whole thing off. So Mondo, what do you think about? This incident. So there were. Many. Others there was more than one person sought. So that's kind of interesting. So it's not like it was just seen by one person, but you have a lot of other witnesses. That's interesting. and. It's a really good point because a lot of the other stories that we talk about with this place is always kind of one person that sees something. But this is an incident that happened with multiple people. So I'm going to say that it was a one and done incident that never happened again. So we don't know if there was something that caused that one incident to happen. But obviously, it's never happened again, it could have been wind outside shutters are attached to Windows. Windows are very close to the elements. So I'm GonNa say that I believe that this one. Was a wind incident. I to me the fact that they're all independently operated I. Think if it was wind than, it would have happened again. The fact that it only happens happened the one time actually makes me you know. weirded out that it it is something paranormal. Creating in if you can't recreate something like that than did it really happen So what would you rate this then? Are. We going me I sure I'm going to rate this one a zero. Okay. Wow. How about you know why I think you had a good point when you said that it couldn't be replicated era wasn't replicated yet, but people saw it. So and like she had mentioned, it's not like the wind was blowing these things open all the time. So it didn't happen again this was a one time event. That tells me something is up I don't know I'm going to go a little higher so I'll give it a six. I'm just GonNa say six that going to be Mine Tooth Mondo I think it's it's there. Think there's some other evidence coming up that I might rate differently but this one is pretty solid. It's a pretty good start for paranormal, but it isn't something that happens a lot there. So I do have to it does bring in a question about it. All right. So our next piece of evidence is a story that you will see an every video. An every report and there are a lot of videos and a lot of reports and a lot of investigations with this place and we will link to all of them in the show notes but this is the jukebox. So. Just to mention it again, right frank. The maintenance man was working at night after hours. He heard a loud noise on the second floor. But when he went to investigate it, it's stop before made it the stairs. this happened a couple of times in he just started to ignore it but then he heard music coming from downstairs every night they unplug the jukebox and he thought maybe someone forgot to do that. When he went to investigate though again, it stops he went back to work. He heard it again the same song again, it stopped before he made it there. The next time it happened he decided to investigate no matter what. So he went to check the power but while he was doing this, he saw a woman and he started to talk to her he said to tell her like, Hey, it's after hours. You can't be here. He's thinking okay. She's the one that's been turning this on and doing all the noises and everything. But then as he started to talk to her, he looks it looks at her and he realizes that he couldn't see the bottom part of her body. there's some discrepancies of if it's like the whole bottom half or just the feed or you know kind of where it cuts off, but you can't see the bottom part. and this is I've heard this this one time from him. He said that she disappeared what he went to call his sister to tell her what he was seeing. Then he did investigate the jukebox later and it was not plugged in and the song wasn't one that existed on the box. So, Mondo what are you thinking with this one? Well, I'm thinking pets probably GonNa be his excuse is going to be the frank maintenance man is tasting. Treating himself to some of the. Drinks at the bar at night. But I. Believe. Supposedly. He won't work at night anymore. That actually. Actually I just received word yesterday that he had passed away. Oh No. So Sad. So because of that, I'm going to abstain from this debate because I do not WANNA speak. Ill of Frank Kanoute. Yeah. But I? I don't and You know I've seen several interviews where he was talking about about this incident and The stories have have changed a couple of times that he's told but not like where medically yeah. Not Not words that big of a deal But yeah. As I said, I, think I'm going to abstain from this because I do not feel like talking ill of the dead so. I Don Yeah, would you wanNA give it a rating I'll give it a rating of three. Wow. Okay Mondo? How about you? What would you rate? You're going to go the six again. Okay. I'm GONNA say an eight, an eight. Again this one is so he is the key like he is told the story ever since it happened again. Yeah. Like there might be like sometimes he doesn't mention that he called his sister or sometimes you know he just says he couldn't see the bottom half or whatever he says, but you're right the the story has been consistent ever since it happened like fairly fairly fairly consistent like it's not like he keeps adding new detail like and then she said this to me or like you know. Like it was always under the same mostly the same story I mean the basics of it and I believe this happened in nineteen seventy four as well. Well seventy. Yeah. Mid Seventies is when they did all those renovations. So I think probably was a a really active time. I mean I. Remember hearing that date associated with it i. you know I could be wrong. But I believe it was in seventy four when that happened Yeah very, very interesting bit of evidence that you have there in. That's my highest rating in a long time a long. Long long time schedule has some talent. It's there's just so they're so much a lot of the things seem to have begun to happen in the seventies when they were doing renovations. So it's almost like something didn't want change maybe. Or just disturbed things. Yeah Yeah Yeah. Think of the Winchester Mystery House That's how they kept the ghost away. Right? That's what she did. Oh, she kept building and building and building and. The ghost never came. So I guess it could work just in the opposite to that. These ghosts were settled in somewhere in the woods or something I don't know, and then all of a sudden, it disrupted their their slumber. Archer that you them to it I don't know something. That's interesting. All right seven accent evidence is the women's bathroom guests we need to talk about those bathroom haunting. So. As we heard in the video and you see in a lot of the videos online, Lynn banks is the current manager I. Don't know if she's a comment or think she is for like twenty seven years. She says video and she said that the that women have commented about the bathroom. So, they'll be in one stall. Then they'll hear the other one open and close and deal see a shadow or something but nobody else's they're they're the only ones in the bathroom. And then I also found a comment on a website listing the restaurant is a haunted house place to visit the related. They didn't have a lot of information on there, but there was one comment on there that someone had added, which was while in the bathroom heard a click in the stall next to me but no one came out we left immediately. To. Cigarettes as an eighteen. Yeah, they were so freaked out they were like we're out. All right. So women's bathroom. Constant. People will report like weird stuff happening. So minority you think. I would be freaked out to I was camping last year and I was in one of the stalls at the bathroom and I to heard. the other stall like the click on the door and I mean, I'm like I didn't hear anybody come in or go or anything like that can lift under there and it was like okay. I'm thinking it's time to go. Yeah. Right out of here. Yeah. Wow Paddle. If I, recall the bathrooms in this place there's only. A men's room in a women's room on the main floor I don't know about the second floor. I don't think. I've ever visited the second floor But there's not many bathrooms and it's a small place where they pack in a lot of people. So I think that she's actually hearing somebody from the other stall Ben. So if if cheese on the end than it could be two stalls over and therefore she would think that it's coming from the stall next to her and there's nobody in there and that's freaky. Though I think the thought is that there isn't any other person in the bathroom with. House is there no other person? Rebecca how long do you wait to get into the women's bathrooms in places? To patterns honestly though I mean, it would. It's you know especially if it's like the upstairs bathroom like the extra I don't know which one it is, but I mean, no, it would depend on the time of day. You know it's not always. I'm thinking that they believe that they're alone but they're not alone. Well. That's also terrifying during. My I don't know that doesn't seem. I Yeah I don't think that's what I got. Okay. And I was just saying it does happen. So I I believe that it definitely could have happened there because it had an eminent pretty recently. Yes. So No stop going in the women's bathroom. I wasn't an. Bats what the problem is is you keep going in the women's bathroom. And you're. Never? Lose. then. Pat Washer your rating of this one I'm going to give it to you. For the bathroom. That's good. I didn't do that on purpose by the way I am not. Saying fart jokes or. Any bathroom. Part they I'm sure for like the. Bathroom Humor What he think. I'M GONNA, go with I'll do another six not. Because this has been it wasn't just. The manager, but said that this is a kind of a common theme that's been reported for many years. Yeah I honestly I'm GonNa give it a seven. It's one of those things where I probably would have gone like I would have gone a little lower until I found that comments the random extra comment online that that pushed it over a little bit for me so. All. Right. Ready for the next one. I am Yeah Hey. So our next one is the woman in the window. So very common claim people say that they see the woman in blue or a woman with blonde hair in the upstairs window beckoning waving beckoning people to the restaurants in a later video that I found though. That they now put like cardboard or things over the upstairs windows so that people don't see her. Like purposely, they cover the windows and they showed it in the video like it's on their website, I don't know. Deauville today. That's kind of weird. It's like they don't want people to think that it's on it. You know. So they're going to cover it up and try to hide that. But when I I'd heard that too and we used to drive pass certain night just to look and see if we could see anything in the window and based on what we had people would claim. But I actually never saw anything but I don't doubt that others have but it is it kind of well lit area or like it's it's spotty with the lights and there is a street light right there I believe, right? Yes. Right. So I mean I'm Gonna I'm actually going to. The skeptics on this little. Little. Action a gleam of light. Simply and especially, if you're driving by it could be bouncing off your window and. Perfectly hitting that window but. I'm curious if they have head any sightings since they put the cardboard over the windows. Yeah. Good question. How would he think I'm thinking it's a very old building and I think that we as people want to see stuff like that and we and we identify shapes and we we make ourselves see things that aren't aren't really. They're just by shadows or something like that. It could be that a light hits it just so or that? That light doesn't hit it in the end and their shadows that make you think that there's a person I mean oftentimes I will see something and I'm like Oh that looks like this. That's your mind trying to put the puzzle together and That's all that I think it is as I said, old building the windows before they did that were probably pretty old as well and I don't think the glass like it's not exactly a place that has bright light coming into it. So I would say that the glass is not exactly clear. So you know for me I, I'm getting a little more sky. Are I am a little more skeptical with this one as well? Just because it seems like an Apocryphal Story to me like people since one of those people say you know I had a coworker actually she just posted. On a comment for us that she she's heard that there's a woman in the window and she always looks for the woman in the window. The I. But I, have not heard it from person who said, I saw a woman in the window. Issue Crow even the owner like any of the people that you see at any of the videos Disneyland Steve They re mentioned man right what he did. It's always we're told that this happens. So. I. I Agree Mondo you made a good point about the streetlight you know being some sort of reflection you maybe somebody saw something once. But Not really you know and then it's just of. Snowballed into to this. So yeah. So what would you say pat for your raising sweating for this one zero. Mindell how about you? I'm actually going to go with zero also. WHOA. Two. Zero for everybody else. But just to give a little bit of wiggle room that maybe there's something But yeah, it seems a bit. Yeah like I haven't heard enough direct evidence for that one. All right. So we have one more ticket. There's so many more but we're. With one more Dishes moving. Yes. Yeah. I don't know that the that the way mentioned this in the interview, but I watched some of the older videos. This the country house has been on a lot of TV shows and local news reports at all sorts of things and an older video shows a Liz. Who is a former assistant manager and she told the story of hearing dishes clattering and moving in the room where the dishes were. She was not in the room, but she'd go in there and they would stop. But then a one time she went you know. So this would happen I. Think this was all at one incident, right? She would hear it. She'd go in they'd stop right this is a common theme, but then she went in there and not only were they didn't stop. But actually she saw them kind of hover up or some of them even fall off the shelves and she said this at this point, there was a dishwasher also in there that witnessed it that was super freaked out. So it's one of those things where like you she said she's like I don't know that it's a ghost but it it wasn't normal like it didn't look. Like Oh, there was shaking and the ground or like anything that would have caused a felt very. Paranormal or super natural to her in some way. All Right Mondo. What do you think? I don't know what it is with ghosts and dishes. Like throwing them and doing things with dishes. So you know she saw it made the news I mean. At, that time we didn't really have fake news. This is ABC News you know. Believe it back then. Only. If, it was on the news it had to have happened. So right I would say that I'm going to go I. Believe it. It's okay. I believe I've heard a lot of plates stories. And the DISHWASHER was freaked out too so. It. I. I'm calling total BS I. Think I think that they were eating sandwiches while? While working and that's what caused them to see these dishes floating in the middle of the air. This is just ridiculous. This isn't just a dishes like hidden stuff flying off it's their levitating in the middle of the air. In the video the you know that they have for the recreation is so funny. Well, that's different video than the one that I'm assigned. But it's just it's just ridiculous. This never happened. It's two people. Well, it's one person that says, this is what I saw and then the dishwasher was like. Sure me too. Because they smoke sandwiches together. That's Chaffetz. I mean eating sandwiches to go. I would not say that about this person watching the videos but. That's what I'm going with, and I'm going to go with a total zero on this one. This just makes me mad even. So wow, hey, it is just floating in the middle of Hawaii again I'm I may not be describing it right like I wish I could say like I don't know that she did she didn't see them this I levitating, but it was like they came up and like. Like let's say this. The dishes just like slipping off and just like boom falling it was like they kind of like were like floating and then Bam went to the ground but it wasn't like they were flying around the room or something like that. But it was like it was like someone was picking it up and dropping it but you couldn't see who the person was maybe. They were they were eating smoke sandwiches that's on. My nobody thinking. Was the country house ever also absence house. Okay also lend to pets thing but I'm I'm still giving it to seven I. believe it I believe it. Yeah. I giving this one a seven as well. Like I like listening to this woman tell the story and she was just enough skeptic to me. You know where she was like listen I don't really know what happened but I saw this thing and it was not a normal thing and you know it was weird. All right. So that's all I got for evidence do have more the whole thing about the nail in the wall that won't stay nail data and like all these other stories are totally stories that people tell the screaming the baby crying. But? You presented the past evidence you could have. These are the ones that I felt the most confident in except for the facing the window one but we felt like we needed to talk about that one So overall then let's give a rankings and then let's you some sue some. Closing arguments here. I'm going to give it a two overall. Okay. Like it minder how'd you? Go like seven but I. Wanted to one dimension, there are certain things. Like you had mentioned the nail. In the wall that keeps coming out. I've had that happen and simple vibrations can do that. What my recommendation is to the country house. Okay. Take the nail out, replace it with a screw see if. Using. INTERESTING BENEFIT SCREW COMES OUT And keeps coming out. There's your answer. There's what are those what are those screws called that have like the anchor and the other end. where. Anchor into the wall, right so anchor anchor. Yeah. Using anchor man. Not Complaining about your your nails should be. Ruse nails. Are Not effective screw our. Yes and in fact, stop using. Stop using the The straight screws I mean come on US Phillips use use some of the other one set a really good. What are what are those other ones like the star ones? Those are really good. The decks cruiser tap cons and things that staff zing stop using straight straight edge screws and stop using nails people please. All right. Sorry. So Mondo Mondo Does A. Saran. And PAT has has. His one of his what do we wanna sip his quarantine projects. A lot of. Factual work to. That's as his your your hobby that you're learning about or tree learning about what does the man Right. So what? Are you gave it a two thousand. Seven. Give it. Giving this eight this. taunted. I'm going to save it for the arguments but spicer does that make you WANNA go there though Yes I do WANNA go there. I would have gone there if it were for you know warranty life. Yeah. It'd be restrictive to ourselves but yeah, like absolutely, I can't wait to go There's another haunted shot that will do at some point that I have been to that I can't wait for. But yeah, like I this week said to go there. And all right. Well. That I think brings us to our closing arguments. This is our last chance to convince you to vote our way. We are each given one minute of uninterrupted time. We will time each other on our cell phones to keep each other honest Rebecca are you ready? Guess? All right I am putting one minute on my timer and go. I believe that the country House restaurant in Clarendon hills is hunted. This is a place where there is so much evidence and again unlike a lot of places that we talk about these are first person accounts, first person stories that. are talking about being haunted and what they've seen it's been going on for a long time. It's very consistent over the years and I think what pushes it over the edge for me is the gravesite paranormal investigation and all of the amazing evidence that they found the conversations with the the spirits there all the other things that they found. Just really pushed over the edge for me this this space is haunted. Wow. You had five seconds left. Yeah I didn't even meet the whole. aided. Wow. Mondo. Are you ready to give your closing argument yup? All right and Rebecca are you gonNa time them I can time in okay. You Ready Mino and Jesse go. So, once again I. Agree with Rebecca this place is haunted and the thing that really did it for me to was the graveside paranormal video and. I had no idea that a plane had crashed there an, but it just seems you know I like their the way they explained with the umbilical cord you know that they were kind of released in her stuck there. And the only thing is nobody when it comes to the lady in blue yes. Somebody died there in a car crash but we don't know what happened to the daughter. We don't even know the Lady's name. So that's one thing. But then when you take all the people that died in the plane crash and everything else and then when you see. And hear that spirit box and there's so many people and he's just. Asking names and they're all pretty like here here. Here. You know they're all They're accounted for so I believe it's on it. He just made it. There you go. You went over a little bit. Stay. For. Extra Time Hash tag team believer made good points I love it I. Yeah. No I. I don't mind arguing that it was the lady in blue the taunting this and just arguing that has haunted and. Thank you. All right pat you ready I am ready. Yes. and Go. I'm given the really hard job of trying to prove that this place is not a haunted. What I'M GONNA say. Is that the evidence that was presented to me did not prove to me that it was hunted when we are talking about the paranormal it is it is not the normal, right. So therefore, the people that are saying that there is a paranormal needs to prove it to the other people not the other way around I do not need to prove that the place is not haunted. You guys need to prove it to me. You guys didn't. That's all I'm GonNa say is you didn't prove it to me although I did have that one interaction where my head was very heavy there I would say that. I have no doubt that the place is not haunted because no places. Okay. All right. Can I ask one question about What were your thoughts on the spirit box and the voice is coming? From the other side, you think somebody was somewhere with microphone or do you think it was like a room full of people? You know all hooked up to different microphones and they were all. What that was I mean? Some observations that I that that I noticed is that Sometimes, it would repeat the words that were just sad and I'm wondering if that's just like a vibration of of Neal's voice in the air that that causes that now there's other things that are more intelligent I. Don't know. you know I have to really look into the technology that they were using to be able to figure out exactly what it was. I know when you mess around with like the noise gates and stuff like that and guitar pedals it can it can. It can create these odd noises and I believe that we are very much. people bed need to put puzzles together. We are very much. We need to identify something, and that's what we do. I believe it's all in our head that we identify these noises to be those things also in the video I know that they had to agree on things in order to put the words up but putting the words up. I read the words as the person was saying it therefore, it makes me believe it even more so. I don't think that it's any trickery on their side at all I just I. You know I would I would really need to look into what what you know what goes into making this in study that to be able to give you more specifics of you know like Moore's or specific answers to that particular question. I would love for them to get you in a room with her vox. beat me. Yes. That's I would love to talk. We'll have to. Make. His I'm sorry that thing is is very cool. Very, very, very early for me. Variables saw while I think that brings us to the end of our episodes. So Mondo I wanNA thank you so much for coming on. Grossly we've really missed. You Man You know we need you to come on every once in a while. Thank you without. Jeff. It is definitely not Do you have anything to plug or anything? No. Now I'm just trying to get through this year. That's. Just, just for people that don't know Back, in March actually on St Patty's Day my son had a had come home from school, for spring, break and he had his laptop on charge and he was sleeping and I went to work and he was awoken and it it was he was awoken by it exploding and he was able to get out of our house get. Our is our dog but three were cats died in the fire. So I'm really sorry man. If I'm going to plug anything it is be very careful about lea devices that you get from Amazon and tried to not use third party batteries and flippant like that with your devices and be careful with a lot of the Lithium batteries that they have. You know when talking to firemen of course they said. That's very common. Now you know the you know they hear it all the time they said they were you know whether it be radio controlled cars and things like that but. Just a little PSA for everyone out there just be careful and over charge your things. In, don't buy the. Yes that you can buy you know. I. Mean You know Your Son's a college student. So I mean that makes sense I mean what? What College student has money? He bought the battery I think it was. Twenty twenty two dollars or something whereas like a real battery would have been lying sixty hours. Yeah Obviously. What happened but you know it's hard to know. If you can afford to go back in time and change something man oh. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Well, the various I'm glad that your. You know your family's okay that you made it out. And so sorry about the cats and. Also sorry about the house. So. You know. You're where you're working hard to move forward. So that's a good thing. Will thanks for coming on the show. Mondo. Thanks everyone for listening A. Little bit weird because of our zoom stuff but I really appreciate you guys stick in sticking around and please share us with your friends and family. As word of mouth is our best advertisement. We will be talking about the Joliet prison in our next episode that comes out on September thirtieth and remember in October every week we're going to have an episode of ghostly. So Yeah plan for it because these are going to be really good to we're GONNA be talking about this seances. Is that the plural of it seances seance. Yeah. I didn't know if that was the plural I I've never referred to them employable. So. We have a lot of good topics and already got a one guest recorded so. We do but it's GonNa be fun month. We have a ton of Scott planned. So I guess until next time. Stay ghostly.