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Matt Peterson

The Michael Berry Show

26:52 min | 11 months ago

Matt Peterson

"Computer, Sohn is vice president of education at the Claremont Institute and editor of the American mind. He Directs Clermont's annual fellowships and heads an initiative for a new center to Support Graduate Level Scholarship. Imagine that taking back academia I love it. We're GONNA. Talk about an article he just wrote in the American mind but I I have noticed and I posted about this last week and I had a number of folks tell me. They wanted to know more about this in as a result I have noticed Claremont Institute coming up again, and again in the way I, remember first hearing about Hillsdale and not in a sponsored way people talking about they're working on this project for Clairmont or Clermont is doing this or doing that and it's good work. So can you talk a little bit about what the Claremont Institute is meant? Absolutely. So Clermont Institute is about forty years old. And it was founded by my graduate students believe it or not at a different time WHO we're studying political philosophy and American government they loved. America they saw there was a real problem in politics with a lot of people just. Speaking, about things they didn't know anything about when it came to the principles of the American founding and the Claremont Institute was really founded by graduate students argue in the Public Square and educate. Young people about the principles of the American founding and apply them to contemporary political life now, the Claremont Institute over time. Larry Arnn. In fact, from Hillsdale is Clare Monster as we call ourselves he got his degree from Claremont and he was president of the Claremont. Institute. For some time our our graduate studies program in Clermont has lots of. People out there doing great work but the Claremont Institute was really more educational focused throughout its life. And I think in the present moment what happened was because we stayed out of policy and we weren't sort of in bed with establishment republicanism when trump came along, we I'll I'll just say I think we understood what was happening we describe what was happening in a way that shocked a lot of a Republican friends, and throughout the last four years we've been very busy trying to explain analyze what's happening in. America because we think we're. In a very, very serious situation and so right now relitigate we we we send out MEKA speaks to the Supreme Court that have been very influential and we we right Claremont review of books as a fine publication and I think the finest in America. It comes out four times a year. The American mind at American Mind Dot Org has been very active and influential in the in the in the last eight years year or two. And we teach and we bring in people from across young leaders from across the country and we educate them on the principles. The American founding all expensive undertakings is donor driven where do you? How do you raise the money to to to do all of this? Is Donor driven and we are small in fact I have I have to say I have looked enviously at the large budgets the DC tanks and Kinda the legacy projects out there on the right and sometimes I wonder what exactly they're doing with their money we're five to six million dollars a year and that's our operation so we're very tiny compared to everyone else but we we depend in thrive on donor dollars and I have to say there have been some people Stepping up because they see the moment they see what we're doing. They see the energy that we have We're a little younger team here than a lot of other outfits and we're doing a lot with a little. That is. You know it's interesting with with organizations like this. You tend to spend what you have in where you don't you get clever but I would think there's some folks out there who would say you know industrialist we used to call him who would say you know I'd get to operate in a free market economy I. Love Capitalism it's worked for me you folks are promoting that. I would think there would be I would think that dollars would just flow in I know nobody likes to give easily, but it seems like such a great cause. Yeah I. think There's a there's some evidence that that is beginning to happen if people realize who we are and what kind of influence we're having we've certainly been growing and You know I mean I I I'm not focused on development or asking people for money. I'm focused on getting things done and there's a lot to do as you know right now in America and so I I I I do firmly believe though that if you focus. On accomplishing what needs to get done people do come out of the woodwork and they say I see what you're doing and they'll they'll support it and we appreciate that and I appreciate what I think is a new class of donors who are just sending money to the same old. Infrastructure that kind of got us into this predicament but they they're looking for signs of life and and I would say probably that I think Clermont, you'll see lots of signs of life because we're we're doing a lot these days Matt Peterson is our guest. He's written a piece entitled ending the. Revolution bringing peace back to our streets means getting serious about what's going on. I'M GONNA. Read one paragraph and ask you to take off from there. The black lives matter yellow movement has found a way to weaponize this visceral American version to racism. The fact that America is not racist and Americans therefore both resent and fear being called Racists Blm uses the charge of systemic racism as a way of blackmailing their opponents to get what they want, what do they want to change the system itself of course, speak to that if you would matt. Yeah well, there's there's two aspects to this and one is I think people get fearful as soon as you? We start talking about VM racism, etc. Why? Because everyone knows that it's the worst thing you can be called racist is the worst thing you can be called in contemporary discourse in public life you can lose your job. You can be persecuted in various ways ostracized from your community. No one wants to be called racist and Americans of all people they don't like racism. We despised that we find it repugnant and we don't want to be called racist and we know there's there's real punishment for that and of course, whatever racism means that's an interesting question that. The, right needs to get clear on everything's being called racist this point. So. So you know we were afraid of being called racist. So, what does the Olympic we'll blacklist matter comes in. And they of course, the name itself right is Genius I. Are you against Black Lives? Do you think black lives don't matter of course? Not We're Americans. We think we're all created equal all lives matter. So therefore, black lives would be part of that. But what they do with the name itself, and then with their tactics is say, well, here's the problem. It's not just one or two people being racist it's whole system that's racist and if that's true, then that system has to change and they do this with the language of the Civil Rights Movement. But of course, the problem is they do not believe in the. Principles that the civil rights movement as elucidated in Martin Luther King's famous speeches. For instance You know everyone's mind they don't believe in that at all they they have a a racial is view of justice. They want law take race into account. They don't want equality under the law Their policies are very much about re undermining the system as it exists and People. people roll their eyes. When you say it, I don't know why they're actual children of the of the Marxist of the sixties and Seventies. Airs the Black Power Movement and what they want is is really a kind of wild and Kooky racial version of of Marxism Communism. And they they don't make no bones about this and yet we're we're supposed to cower in fear because we don't want to be called racist by them and you see this especially, I have to say with politicians politicians who should know better on the right who are very quiet throughout the events of the summer because they were unwilling to come. Out and say, of course I believe that black lives matter because I believe that all lives matter because American but this organization black lives matter is a different thing and in fact, they believe in some evil ideas that the rest of us don't believe in the black community doesn't even believe in such as defunding the police and therefore I condemn and renounce them. Notice, of course, on the left no one's going to say that and they're tacitly just in support or or explicitly and support, and then the right you still have this. This fear to come out and make these distinctions and call out with this movement really about. Fear. It is fear and it is. No one wants to take a principled stand for fear that they be painted a racist. Just, go along and I think of Mitt Romney walking in a be limb parade and and the the the consequences of that the meaning of that we're going to continue our conversation with Peterson coming up in just a moment. Quick Reminder if you'll go to Michael Berry show dot com that's our official website, and while you're there by your official Michael Berry show gear and wear it proudly, we appreciate you. That's all it Michael Berry show dot, com. Matt Peterson is our guest. A He's written in the American mind entitled ending the. Revolution, bringing peace back to our streets means getting serious about what's going on. I want to pick up where we left off in the last segment with a sentence that is at the end of one of your progress under the cover of the old civil rights movement be in is smuggling into our political discourse, an agenda more akin to that of the fringe Marxist black power movements in the sixties and seventies then to the actual political positions of the vast majority of black people in America today do you think that this was? A militant blacks who became Marxist or do you think this is Marxists who saw a civil rights he sort of movement it's really more about anger and violence. Where do you think this started to end up where it is today? Well, it's a combination of things because I don't one hand you have. You know you're kind of young young kids if you take the founders of black lives, matter who go to. colleges and learning their you know black studies, programs, cultural studies, programs, these kind of watered down Marcy ideas from the seventies and they idolize You know radical leaders domestic terrorists really. and so you do have individuals who grew up actually listening to the propaganda there in school and taking it very seriously and becoming activists. And that's that's all true but they're not able. To do what black lives matter did unless you have a lot of really wealthy left-leaning. Foundations. Looking to support these kinds of movements to further a really radical leftist agenda and this is something. That the right just hasn't done a good enough job in fighting I. mean there's a whole network of foundations with a whole boatload of money that immediately saw the Hashtag black lives matter and they saw that it was it was run by especially, these three women who are extremely Activists. And don't really represent your average black American at all but they they leap onto that and then they flooded with money they support it. There's a network of support throughout the country and you have this whole infrastructure it really that's pushing this movement because the because why? Because they know that Americans aren't racist right? Most people the movement has purchasing power because people don't want cops out there shooting people on account of the color of their skin. And so they saw the opportunity to really it's what it's a few videos of summer. That they discover for the last seven or so years, and they try to find these examples where you get some video something happens it looks terrible looks racist and then they promote the hell out of it whether or not You know it's true or whatever the context is. And then whether they want out of it, well, defunding the police is a good example right over eighty percent of black Americans don't want to defend the police. In fact, in a lot of areas, they want more police they want just you know just police action, but they're not the this is this is crazy and it's not crazy to the activists. Mine law enforcement as it is and what do they WANNA put in its place they wanna put in a a racial is version of justice. In other words I woke tribunals as I call them they want people to be judged in an illegal setting based on their their their demographics. And I it's unbelievable that it's come so far. So I would say you have two things the educational system that would allow for these activists sort of A learn all this stuff, invite it over the years, and then you have this larger. Group of organizations that have a lot of money on the left that are looking for people like this to push movements like this to an actor agenda you quote Toe Fernandez in the ANTIFA lamb industrial complex and saying that the elite enablers must be called out and shamed. That's that's corporations. Isn't it? I? Mean they've how well-funded is this to the extent that is a single organization or a movement or a bank account? How well funded is this in WHO's funding? This is this is the question a question that really a lot of people in media investigative journalism should be asking and looking for the answer to what's astounding is. How many people out there and your audience know who the founders of black lives matter are I mean how many times have you seen them interviewed or pressed to denounce the violence in the streets were asked if they support violence you don't see them at all because they they really live in the shadows and they're protected. By this entire complex, the way in which they set up their organizations. Is Complicated and that allows them plausible deniability. They can say look if this is not one movement it's it's a lot of different movements. It's a lot of different organizations and it's not just one big bank account out there and there's not just one you know centralized structure. This is an organic movement of the people. Now, of course, it's not but they do they stay structure their organization. So it's very hard to see the flow of. Money and where the money's coming from and it's going to, and this is This is something that really only a few people have been working on the last few months and what you do see when you pay attention to it and do some research on it is that they have an enormous amount of money. Now, right hundreds of millions of dollars for sure has been has been raised at least pledged by especially large corporations if not billions. So you're not gonNA hear these. What we just did is fund this entire movement. That's what this summer the accomplish summer. And so then you have to ask yourself okay wh who's giving them the money outside of this kind of low liberal foundations. well, the answer is, as as you say, these corporations who are broadcasting virtue signal wing to the world that there woke and they support they support this movement, and so they're pledging however many millions of dollars. At sometimes they tell you exactly who they're going to give it to for instance, Jack confounded twitter gave ten million dollars to a man. Mr. Who is one of the worst thinkers I think on this issue racist I in my opinion Gay just gave him ten million dollars and said here you know here you go and I'm going to announce this to the world. And this guy is promoting all kinds of wacky doctrines you know in public and he has a lot to power now so. The truth is we don't know exactly. How much money and how a lot of these organizations even are structured we don't know how they're using their money, but the results of the riots this summer I think speak for themselves and we can expect a lot more of that because now they have hundreds of millions of dollars. If not billions we're talking to Matt Peterson and if you can hold I'd like to keep you one more segment and talk about this. Church. Matt Peterson is the vice president of education at Claremont, institute, and editor of the American mind, and we're talking to him about a PC's written in the American mind ending the BLM revolution bringing peace back to our streets means getting serious about what's going on. We're talking about the funding for Blm and and you use a frightening number of hundreds of millions of dollars. You know. It would scare me if obviously that that's an amount of money in the hands of some really bad people and that sort of scary you know you, you could you could equip an army with that. But where do you see them spending that money? It seems to me that the opportunity is rife for it to be squandered you know are are they are they leasing nice office space that doesn't scare me are they producing nice videos I, haven't seen that Are they giving it to politicians? I haven't seen that where would it scare you the most for them to spend the money and do you have any sense of where they are spending the money? Yeah that's a good question. I think I think there's probably to places that scare me the most one is they're going to set up and are they're slowly building a political project that's going to hide their radicalism. So I would predict that you know to the extent possible. They're going to try to hide how radical their agenda is they took down from their website, their their Marxist principles of. You know being against the traditional family and You know graphs about. Trans and queer stuff that you know. I guess interesting but it's not really a concern for a lot of their core audience supposedly they got rid of their radicalism wiped it from the website. Their political project is going to come out and it's going to be slick. They're going to have lobbyists they're going to have You know a kind of a front facing activism that it makes something like the fund the police probably use better words with better consultants next time and and they'll talk about social justice and they'll start pushing that woke agenda with money become slick more political. And they will have money to dangle in front of politicians and they'll different ways of putting that and they'll proposed kind of public private partnerships like I could see for instance, schools they could. Modify model education, curriculum activism programs that schools can across the country There's all kinds of shenanigans they can do on on the kind of the front facing political side. And then even worse I think that that worst fear is that we're not done with riots and violence in America, not by a long shot and I don't think it matters who wins the election because a lot of folks were talking about don't particularly appreciate Biden and they'll put pressure on the Democrats the establishment Democrats to do what they want. And if you know in the case of Biden wins, a lot of them will go into the administrative state of the bureaucracy and they'll. They'll start rearranging the deck chairs there. And in order to get what they want, they're always going to need the people in the streets and what we've done over the course of the last nine months is allow the threat of violence to rise in America politically, and I just don't see anyone letting go with that, and if you have money you can you can easily get a lot of folks who are unemployed during the virus or who are you know College kids who are interested in activism. You can start to deploy them in ways that become increasingly targeted, and we already see this right people are going to end up outside of politicians. Homes increasingly has already begun across. America. That's one of their tactics. They'll be these random you know terrorizing of diners and all that kind of stuff is going to increase because it hasn't been stopped and it's given them a lot of power. So. When you have an influx of cash like that, you're able to organize these kinds of these kinds of movements from the inside and you know so far they haven't got an eight trouble for really. So so expect that to increase large scale whenever they feel they need to to pressure people into bowing before them when you look at their power when you look at their ability to act change whatever that change may be. Do you think it is because they will do do you think it's the pure intimidation or do you think that Democrats are afraid that they have a sufficiently large audience of sympathizers that you don't want to cross them? I think it's a combination of the two. So for some Democrats, there's no doubt that this is useful, right? It's politically useful to have a force that will show up in the streets I. mean that is political power. And that will threaten people and make others uncomfortable. That does give political power directly to some democratic politicians but I think also you're you're correct that there are other Democrats out there who are more your establishment types, a lot of them are older. And I think more reasonable in some ways and they look at this and they say I cannot touch this at all because the last thing I want. Are these people showing up at my door and? People who in right should realize that they do show up at Democrats doors So in Los Angeles. Where Los Angeles County. which I hope to leave along with many other people soon, The Gay Jackie Lacey is a black woman black. Her husband is black as well. She's a she's too liberal but she she prosecutes people for crime and so black lives matter went after her. As if she was a Republican and camped out in front of her door for for so long on harassed that couple so badly that. Her husband got in trouble for brandishing a gun. As I think any American would do in the situation at them from door when they they started to get increasingly belligerent he got in trouble of course not the crowd and they are going to try to get her out of there. So that's a good example of a democratic politician who Simply wants to enforce the law. And they'll go after her as well. So so there's no doubt that Democrats are afraid well, well an and it seems to me they were playing footsie's at the beginning of this process, Kamala Harris making a plea for donations to get some of these folks out of jail. So they could get back out on the streets which we know they did because they got arrested again, but it's it's like the old Chinese. Proverb if you ride a tiger, it's hard to get off the various versions. But at some point, they have to dismount from this tiger that I think Democrats thought they were gonNA benefit from, and now it's become dangerous Jenny Durkan in Seattle they came to her home Ted Wheeler in in Portland Larry lightfoot. Lori lightfoot. In in Chicago, you have these various politicians who played footsie's with this organization until it turned on them. Yeah I think that's an interesting dynamic, and if there's any hope here, you would. You would. You would hope that at some point they're able to stand up at least behind the scenes and say something but you know I have to say I I am doubtful that without the right becoming more vocal. In calling this out in front of the American people at the Democrats will or the left will change because so far you're right I mean you know Laurie lightweight and Chicago doesn't like it when people show up at her house and she's GonNa stop that but is she really going to condemn you know violence in the movement wholesale maybe you're right we've seen a turn where they sort of realized we do have this tiger by the tail and we can't let go but we don't like This. But at the same time I mean look Biden shed a few things about violence being wrong Harris I mean she is she has said even less and they do not want to call out this organization and and look frankly nor do Republicans. Right. So until we can actually call this out explicitly all the time in in public especially politicians on the right I just I just don't see how it's going to stop the other aspect to it is beside shining a light on it, which is a must. The other aspect is, of course. Law Enforcement is actually when when there are laws being violated, law enforcement is going to have to act and when you look at what we've seen you know what I like to say is especially with Antifa but also with black lives matter the both of them combined they also, they often worked together. At what I like to say, this is not gonNA stop until it stopped. And what I mean by that is these are the sorts of activists. These are sort the people who the minority of people out there in America, but they gotta sorts of people who are going to continue to do what they've done and break the law until someone actually physically stops. and. That has to be law enforcement in America and so. You know I think that there's been some some places some regions have have really. Done a good job in turning the tide and saying, no, we're not going to allow this year. but but you know the the jury's still out on what we're GONNA do so both two things need to happen. We need politicians who clearly distinguish between what's acceptable and what's not when it comes to protesting, and then when it comes to harassment and violence, and then we're gonNA eat law enforcement that's willing to take the slings and arrows up the other side, which is gonNA say they're being they're being terrible and unjust and enforce the law. I think you're right. Matt Peterson. Is Vice President of Education Claremont Institute and Editor of the American mind you're a great guest comeback and see us Matt. Thank you so much for having me. You got it.

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S1E2: Right Now with Stephen Kent: Hope vs. Despair.

Right Now with Stephen Kent

41:48 min | 7 months ago

S1E2: Right Now with Stephen Kent: Hope vs. Despair.

"Love right now. i'm steven canton. What are we to make of this past year. I don't think it's an exaggeration to say that nearly every single one of us had our world's turned upside down at the very least routines have been upended. Not the worst. We lost people lost jobs. In the businesses you built in our kids have been locked out of school and kept away from their friends and it's been brutal on them. Take all of that and add in political upheaval and rising extremism. And it just seems hopeless. January sixth feels like a year ago. Already that's kind of how our world works now. Time isn't real. That horror show was just two months ago and it feels like ancient history now. We all saw different things that day. Some of you saw patriotism. Some of you saw hate what i saw. Most of all was despair. There was this essay in the claremont review of books in two thousand sixteen known as the flight ninety three esa which in short argued that trump and the clinton election was of such dire consequence that conservatives had no room for uncertainty about trump. It was a storm the cockpit or we all die kind of situation fast four to the twenty twenty election and conservative talk radio has shifted away from beating republicans over the head with the ghost of ronald reagan and instead went all in for trump because the threats they said are too great to worry about ideological purity. The left has gone full socialist. The election was rigged the vote was they said therefore all bets are off. That's when desperation sets in republicans barely tried in the georgia senate runoff. That would decide the majority in the senate purdue and laughlin told people to come out and vote a second time in one breath then turned around and said the election was fraudulent. Top to in the next. I mean if you have a job in a life why on earth would you go and take the time to vote again in a rigged election. It doesn't make sense one day later. The maga- crowd descends on washington thinking. They're red pilled or wake aware of a grand conspiracy but they're not they're on the black pill the same dead end. Everything is awful sixteen nineteen view of the country. Where we're all living a lie one where we're not the good people or the good country that we say we are successful. Movements aren't built on despair. But you sure as hell have to have a sense of urgency rate line from a great movie. Rebellions are built on people. And we're going to talk to a hopeful guy today and my co host for this one's my friend brad palumbo columnist for the washington examiner and hosted the breaking boundaries. Podcast brad. welcome to the table. Hey it's going to be with you absolutely and we are thrilled to welcome our guest today. Spencer clave to the show. Spencer is the host of the always excellent young heretics podcasts. He's the associate editor of the claremont review of books. And the american mind. Spencer welcomed right now days. Even thank you guys so much for having me great to be here absolutely so there's a lot of places we could start but in relation to what i was just riffing about a bit. I wanna ask you what is the black pill and who is on it. Yeah it's a topic of a lot of probably topic now of more conversation than the red pill which is how the whole pill discourse scott started rights away way back around twenty sixteen. The idea was that we're all in the matrix. And if you seen that movie you know that the way you get out of the matrix you take the red pill and you realize just how deeply you've been deceived. And it's been pointed out that this the rebel discourse are very right. Wing thing yeah. I've been deceived ugly allen to it. Well yeah there are. I mean there's like the all of these things. I was thinking of this as you were talking. Have multiple strands that that like. There's there's a. I think a really valid reform of red filling in which you kind of realized that a lot of the answers that the republican party has been giving our answers to questions that are a little bit outdated and the some of these conversations have to move on into the digital era and all this stuff but it's also the case that like woke is the sort of analog on the left which also implies waking up out of out of some kind of hayes. And i'm obviously much more critical of that view of the world but a lot of people on the left. And the right. We're having this sense that the framework they've been sold is just itself an illusion self wrong. There's something much more radical that needs to be done. Then out of this comes out of the repeal of course all of these other forms of pill discourse right. There's there's the blueprint that there's like the clear bill. There's you know. And then there's black on white and black marriage spare yes. This is what they mean when they talk about the crisis of addiction. No i i. Yeah i mean the the the black pill white pill sort of dichotomy is if you take the black pill as you say you have a form of despair you just think it's basically believe that it is hopeless and the image of the like mimi. Image of this right is the duma is the like kind of desiccated. Just sad millennial staring into avoid. I want to make a distinction. Actually between the forms of Let's say kind of urgency that you identified in your opener. yeah. I don't think it's quite right to lump flight. Ninety three in january six as like all one type of black pill and actually. I'm not sure that that. Like actually represents the black pill for the simple reason that anton who wrote that back in the day this is before i was at clermont but he. He was not arguing to like do something extraordinary inattentive outside of the scope of american government. He was arguing. That people should vote for a guy who was running for president and he was extraordinary guy and the reservations that conservatives and republicans had about him were serious and anton was arguing that it was simply time to disregard this reservations because of the urgency of the moment but the true black pedal which is like the jam sticks. Situation is the system itself is so rigged that there's no way by voting for anybody. Doing anything legal. We could work our way back to some kind of resolution and that to me. What i think is deeply wrong as you say which is sort of doomed to failure. I've argued this on the show a lot that we're we're really kidding ourselves. If we think we reached that point and if you read like federalists twenty eight in which hamilton describes what looks like to get to that point to get to the point of actually needing to stage a revolution within america against the american government because becomes oppressive. You know we haven't even begun to try. The actual wood and the american minds kind of salvo essay on the website is a is a really great call to action. It's a call against despair. It's a call against the idea of believing that. There is no way that we can fix this and i think that you are correct that there is a distinction between what flight ninety three in that essay was about it was about engaging in the election and believing that you know. The moment was urgent and we really had to do something and fall in line behind a certain guy but my guess my beef with that is that the whole donald trump magath thing is very much tied up in the i alone can fix it element to governance and winning the battle against the democrats and the left and so if you really believe that and buy into that entire bialokur that entire idea then if donald trump loses the election were back in crisis and we're back on flight ninety three again and so. That's that's how you get this moment. Where if the election is lost than we have no other choice but to do something radical i can. I can really see that. I think that there is definitely a sort of cult leader worship element of the trump coalition. I think it as being exaggerated into the whole of the trump phenomenon. And i think that like flight ninety three itself and a whole bunch of folks clermont and outside at have have really opened is about the serious moral deficiencies that trump presented right. And you know even the kind of kook elements of trumpism that have involved for example like evangelical worship at At trump rallies. Right or premised on the idea that god uses imperfect messengers that god uses people. Like you know. King david who is sort of you know adulterous ultimately murderous right. I mean this. This is a big theme and evangelical discourse. I don't want to disavow the whole like golden statue of trump part of this. And i think that that feature of things kind of got mash really toxic way with like the cunanan stuff from the moment that trump said on the night of the election that he had one that was the. That was the moment in which i thought we. Shaded over from this sort of pug nations suspension. If that's kind of the diagnosis right. What is the alternative. look like. what does a truly white. Hilt not nihilistic vision of conservatism. Or the american right. Actually what would that actually resemble a politics house right right. I mean so. I think actually that this is what this is why i'm saying they're. They're multiple dimensions to the whole trump phenomenon. The there was a strain a serious strain of of just exuberance enjoy in in the trump phenomenon. As well i had to do with loving america right with with actually having a vision of what it was. What kind of good and prosperous and and gracious land. We were trying to defend trying to get back to and the question on everybody's table right now is what does this. What does the conservative movement even look like now. That trump is is out of the picture. And i should say i am not a trump twenty twenty four guy at all. I think that he's kind of served his role if god was using him these like done using them and and i guess one question for me is like what is the america that we were trying to make great again right. Wh- what was the thing that we felt the deep sense of loss about because a lot of that loss was deeply felt but now needs to be articulated in a in a more precise way for me. It's it's you know to be not to be naive. Utilized is relatively simple. It's that we are endowed with our creator by certain with certain unalienable rights and those you know the government is set up to protect those rights life liberty pursuit of happiness. These kind of basic urgency's behind which lie a lot of real concern about like social crackup in america right. This is the sense that that america is premised on a certain form of moral and religious cohesion which now feels not just like it's slipping away but like it's under assault. A lot of this is is cultural and some of it is is like a you know. A reaction occur a reaction against these erosions of of of basic social contract. I think like one way forward to a kind of optimism. I've argued this law and the show is orienting your political attitudes in the most local way possible. And i mean there's both because we don't have national power like conserves national power in a big way but also because i noticed that my own emotional landscape was really key to what was going on in these big national movements and not what was actually going on around me like people one reason why it's kind of kooky to think that you need to overthrow the government if indeed. That's what the people thought is that you know we. We haven't even really tried to do with. The left is pretty good at doing. Which is you know getting on the school boards making arguments to our neighbors about who should vote who should run in. Local elections should win those and stuff like in california. Where they're you know. Ousting gavin newsom. Now like that to me seems more. you know. there's a sense that something is deeply wrong. there's also a deep love for this place that has been kind of just ravaged by progressive politics. And the more people i think invest in that local idea of like what is it might. It's just a question of taking action versus sort of looking to your neighbor to to fix things yourself and i really believe like at the core of the american mind and what you guys are doing. They're like it's a good thing. It's a call to action. It's a belief that like. You have to actually step forward and what you're saying about localism this. This is a little bit of a funny connection. But i was re watching a little bit of avatar the last bender this week and i know we're all fans here at this table. Your kids are watching this show on netflix. So if you don't know what. I'm talking about talk to your kids. They'll tell you but so in avatar spare air benders season two. There's this moment where is looking for oppa. His best friend who has been taken. He's kind of given up. He's kind of given up on this search and qatar asked him like why and hang says. Hope is a distraction which is not something you would expect from a little monk like this air bender air. No bad monk and go. Oh but that actually makes sense like there's this sort of moncus quality to the idea that hope could be used sitting around looking at the stars like luke skywalker looking at the twin sons waiting for someone else to do something for you and waiting to to have them fix the problem instead of taking action and so i guess in in an offhand way like do you think that that makes sense that sometimes hope can make us sit back and wait to long rather than just taking the action. We need to take boost kind of interesting. I mean i have noticed. And i you know because i make the rounds among like you go on the daily wire a discussion about this stuff or whatever Or go wherever you know At the american mind for example we have kind of helping engagement with with our readers. And i totally noticed a kind of suspicion about optimism. And i think it's not so much that people people were hope is distraction is that they worry it's it's like it's like copying out like if you if you really going to be a hard nosed realist about it. You have to realize that everything is just were just done for you. Know and to a certain extent. I wonder whether this is baked into the conservative mindset. Like sort of temptation to that attitude. Just because conservatism a big part of conservatism is to be aware of how precious and fragile our institutions are and how easily they can go astray. And how like humans are very fallen and everything every change can and so very very ready to describe how each thing is going to cause the crackup of the republic ten years down the line and people are very very defensive of that attitude. And when you when you say well actually like that could happen. But there's also a lot of potential the digital revolution this local. His new local investment offers a lot of potential for people. And i think that you're kind of just copying out on them deflection some. Well i part of the problem. Spencer that when conservatives talk about this kind of thing. It's often framed in terms of what they are against. They are against the left. They are against socialism there against whoa kness and cancel culture. But obviously you're identifying a lot of things and there are a lot of things whether it's the constitution whether it's limited government whether it's family or faith or social cohesion. That the right is traditionally for that. American conservatism is traditionally four. But i feel like what's at the forefront of the conversation must often is what they're against and it's hard to see how that lends itself to politics based in home. This is interesting. Yeah i mean. I think we are. Look one sort of move. Toward the blocked that i will take. I think we are in a serious moment of regime crisis. And i think the fact that people are taking to the streets at all sort of speaks to that I also think by the way. There's this there's this moment in real near the end of the revolutionary war. It's the newburgh conspiracy it's called You guys probably know about this. That like at a certain point. The soldiers started to get antsy because they hadn't been paid and there was a conspiracy floating around in washington's camp that they should just defect the just like peace out and there is this moment new washington famous speech to kind of put this thing down and there was this moment at which he says. Look there's people are saying that if you step back and you deliberate about this then what you're really doing is you're just you're just copping out. You're just being weak. And i hear that a lot also on the conservative movement that things are so bad that if you take a moment and actually advised that we deliberate about this week. You're just you're just falling over to to the left In washington says you know down that road madness lights. And i really agree with it. I think that like the idea. All we like we just have to rush into action because everything is so bad does kind of conducive. I mean there are certain crisis moments at which that's true but in it right now for example when we're two years out in the next election thinking very deeply about what we're for is kind of the right thing. What would you do when you think about. Instances in the past where we rushed into extreme action in the face of a perceive crisis. I would say many of those haven't aged particularly well. Yeah and you point. Spencer you you know all about it like with the newburgh address. Part of what washington was chiding with a against us. Anonymous was the idea and i sort of liken it a little bit to the russian roulette analogy of of flight ninety three s. A is that like there is no time for thinking for prudence for reason Only action if you are one of those people who say like we need to take a breath and decide whether or not we're about anarchy or whether or not we are about deliberation a plan that you're squish that you're not really involved in the fight and that you don't have an end you save the republic and that's enough that drives me crazy so again not not to make this whole conversation about plenty three but again like there was a crisis there. There was a date on that one right to vote to make that decision and so i. I don't want to say that. There's no such thing as a time for choosing the as they call it. But i do sort of suspect you know. I was talking to charles kessler whose another clermont guy and we do a podcast on claremont review of books and we were comparing the this january six moment slash this react the whole reaction to all of the court cases that the left kind of in the lead up to the election right that the you know the rules were changed and now there are some calls to somehow centralize election integrity efforts to form a national bureau or whatever And we published an essay arguing against this and in favor of this kind of the gradual process whereby the electoral count was finally certified after this very contentious election and charles was comparing it to post nine eleven. Obviously a much bigger catastrophe. The loss of an election was another moment in which you know when you get when you get punched in the gut when you really something happens that it's just really devastating. There's impulse to do something about it right now. And a lot of the stuff that conservatives are now sort of reconsidering the forever war stuff. The patriot act like that. That's a hangover from that moment. When we sort of leapt kind of rashleigh into into action. And i think that there is an analogy there that we are now in this moment. Where lee suffered this great loss. We're we're very looked even to believe that it really happened right. There's very serious kind wrangling over the stolen election. I which i think you know. If that's true then our answer should be like you know gradually and slowly fight the court cases that return overturn these kind of in some cases on constitutional election rules as opposed to write suddenly. Like we just leap catastrophically into as you've noted in your podcast. Numerous times like the court battles were fought battles were lost. Gotta move on and you mentioned it's audits go ahead and put in a quick plug. You are watching right now. With steven kent. You can watch on youtube please. like and subscribe. And if you are listening via podcast leave us a rating and review. Five stars would be nice. Tell us what you think about the show And just to just to kind of go back into it here. Spencer in the in the thick of it. So we've got this fight. We've got this problem that we need to decide whether or not we're going to give in to despair or we're going to rally around a politics of hope i kinda of want to back up a little bit To something that you were mentioning about sort of the politics of optimism. Because brad and i both come from the libertarian world and even do a segment on this show where i like to share some good news. Good trend lines. We'll do to do it at the end of this episode but there is this part of me that goes oh man i don't i don't know if the world is really getting better. I feel something inside of me. That says it is really getting worse. And that's because i'm also a christian like it is a part of my faith that the world is going to fall apart and requires a savior like revelation doesn't come about because things are going super well like that's also baked into my very being so i'm always torn between the sort of conservative instinct about whether or not You know we really need to fight back and try to sort of save this moment or this libertarian aspect. That says you know things are actually getting better. Human progress is a foot. Well you definitely. Everybody needs to take the fall of man pill like this is some writing and that isn't laxed bill and like the. There's a lot i think. Of course out there that involves not having taken the fall of man pill i mean. This is madison's great insight right going back again to the founding is that actually like angels were to govern men than than no longer be necessary but in fact like we live among in this kind of embolic world in which things fall apart and i was noticing. You were on instagram. I saw kind of like thinking about some of these. Some of these issues and you were you. Were making a comparison with with the rings. Which like i really like. I think the idea of of the rings is kind of a power corrupts but it exists in the world like and so there is a sense in which you know are a reaction to corona virus for example. I sort of premised on this idea that you can sweep all death off of the playing field but somehow you can arrange things just right and then like nobody's ever going to die and there won't be any costs to that. I think that there is a level in which you have to take the piddling that is not the world and speaking to lord of the rings. Because i was watching it again over over the weekend i just showed you just showed my daughter the fellowship of the ring and so. Let's talk about the libertarian conservative. Divide because every time i watch movie i see something different this time. I saw bormio and argon both kind of wanting in their hearts the ring a power. Everybody wants during power. Galadriel wanted it. But she said no bore mir his his his kingdom is surrounded by the army of darkness. He is feeling desperate and eventually he goes for that rena power because he feels the only thing that can be done to wield it to turn back the forces of darkness. And i saw him right the common or higher good conservatives in that moment like they want to wheeled the ring and gore and. I saw the libertarian going. Now i don't trust this. I don't trust spencer. Isn't everything that you were. Just talking about in terms of power corrupting. isn't that the kind of the basis. The philosophical basis of limited government conservatism. Small government conservatism. The reason there was a fusion the coalition between libertarians and conservatives. It was because we agreed that. Absolute power corrupts absolutely centralized planners can't manage the minute not a knowledge of planning everything in different parts of the country in different situations but it almost feels like some of the people who are tapping into the philosophical ideological trends. That you've aptly described right seemed to be getting away from that lesson here like the lord of the rings. So how do you grapple with all of that. Yeah i mean. I think that there's a. There's a valid caution in identifying. What happens if you will the one if you just try to wheel there one ring and like you know i. I definitely agree. That boroughmuir is there. Is this kind of lord. Acton this reminder of what absolute power does to people i mean that's sort of the premise of the ring is it represents the use of absolute power but the universe of the books is very complicated right and you mentioned galadriel. Who's a really good example of this right like because we live in a fallen world and because the ring is not actually getting thrown into more door until the end of day. It's right power exists in the whole premise of the story is that you have to find some way to engage with this corrupting terrifying tempting power while also maintaining your justice and and galadriel has a ring of her own right and she wields it in a way that is just like she is able to resist overreaching. My only premise year. And you know without kind of plunking for like full-on common good conservatism. Because there are many strands there to right and base. I think it consists of a very ballot observation which is like we reeled power like yes we do. Want to reduce the scope of government Insofar as as as possible to to reduce its intervention in our lives to use it for protecting a rights rather than infringing upon them But even like the most died in the wool. Libertarian right identifies a good which is which individual autonomy and personal liberty and presumably aspires to use the force of government to protect that. Good right i mean this is like how people interact together in a political way and so people get very like ants. You when folks are talking about the common good because there's big black box and in it like there may sit you know wanting wanting to reestablish like fertility rates or there may sit like full-on catholic integral ism. I think that yeah. I was just gonna ask right because the thing that kills me a little bit about common good conservatism is. I don't want other people's version of the good forced on me enforce on the entire country but is the middle ground here localism in the sense that if the good is being pursued but at the local level possible right not one federal government that is massive and powerful and enforces. Whoever wins every four years on the whole country. But if the good is being in your city in your town at your town council meeting then i feel like it's. It's averts that problem of forcing a one size fits good on a diverse in sweeping country. So i agree with you about the localism insofar as possible. I am generally of the indian that the answers to these kind of like thorny we always raise in public especially the left is fond of doing this. I think of raising these these tricky questions as a way of noting fairly that you know. There's there's no one size fits all solution to a lot of these questions. And i believe the smaller the community in which you would do to create these issues The better and your but on the other hand right there are some things which like the level at which for example those rights to life liberty in the pursuit of happiness need to be defended is is national precisely. Because they're non negotiable right. there are some goods. Like all governments impose or or employed by some good that is ultimate and not negotiable again. Even a purely libertarian. Government would presumably say at the national level. The individual liberty is good and we have to use the force of the state to enforce. I think like i. I just don't think there's any getting away from that. And and even though i agree that yeah i the further we can devolve this stuff at the local level. The better there are also some you know higher level national conversation that we're having and discourse about the common good in its purest form is is just that it's just saying there is a good rate and the government is set up to defend it minor rhetorical question. But do you make a distinction between common good and higher good. I sometimes see both thrown around in the discourse between libertarians and conservatives on this comedy is a broader term than hired good it can refer to like roadways right just as a matter of sort of pure political philosophy if you look up in like the stanford encyclopedia defaulted like. What's the common good simply goods that we all. We understand ourselves citizens related to one another an apology and there are certain things that we like come together to kind of i endorse because they'd benefit all of us hire good. Yeah is like a little bit more narrow think would would apply more specifically like elevated concepts that again part of our founding documents right liberty life. Hack on one concept here. And that's that i'm not sure. I agree with the framing as libertarian. Or or a limited government conservatives having their own vision of the common good versus the common good conservatives having a different vision of the common good because i actually think the libertarian or traditional conservative fusionists case is not about there being a common good. But it's about being every individual being left to pursue their own vision of the good and of like adam smith's invisible hand of the marketplace and then each individual pursuing their own vision of the good results in a collective outcome that nobody no one person planned right and so i almost don't think good but isn't that statement right that each individual should be able to do this thing like that in itself is a good. That's an assertion about the good. Which is that. It is good for individuals to have liberty right. Yeah i guess it is. But it's it's a more decentralized way of thinking about it in terms of the the power to decide what the common good is is made by one group of people or one decision making body or institution. It's decentralized across three hundred and thirty million people. I mean my my. My point is only that you haven't escaped the part of government where you posit a good right. You have said in this scenario that liberty is good and one question i have for. You actually is whether you think it's a good because it'll come up with the best outcome or whether you think it's a good per se like it's good for people to be free so we should let them you know and the outcome ruin. Yeah and this is where where you get kind of the tough edge cases. What right like the hard drug usage. And i think in most cases leaving people to their individual liberty particularly in the economic sphere market spear does result in the best outcome. I think though there are some outcomes where leaving people to their own devices might result in outcomes that we would judge us worse off but fundamentally and maybe this is just ideological question. If that's their choice with their life with what they wanna do. I think ultimately. Maybe you're right. Maybe this is the version of the common good but ends is and i think just to throw my hat niro quick where i am at and i'm a little bit undecided on this question because it's a good one spencer. I think at the end of the day going back to my faith. I sort of believe that we're we're all had the same place There is only one. There's only one ending to this story. So there's only so much point to try to exert are controlled through government over our friends and neighbors to try to foment the kind of world that we wanna see. The ending is going to be the same regardless when it is not the only option you don't have to pursue this through the government's the temporary good to meet does seem like giving people the choice for people who didn't catch it earlier. We are being joined today by spencer. Klavan the american mind and the claremont review of books. He's also the host of the young heretics podcast great show and the reason we had spent surrounded as because this debate is just like ripping open the political right and it's a good fight to have. It's a good debate. The discussion to have and spencer. I appreciate you joining us today to to help how that conversation. We've got a lot more on this topic to cover in the next couple of months before i let you go. I told you. I would ask you real quick though about avatar the last air bedroom because this is some hope people. If you are tired of what is on television you can just quit it all and get a paramount plus subscription because avatar. The last air bender is coming back with new series and movies. I have hoped for this Spencer what are you excited about this news about avatar opening up so i'm like a total late comer to avatar my gosh was like really into it. I think he watched it when it routinely aired. I'm totally oblivious And then we watched the whole thing with having gone all the way through legend of cora. So i guess. I'm not completed yet. I haven't watched like the movie. That shall not be named m night shows apparent. How far are you. I'm like season two. I think one of their season. Two excellent amman great villain taken on communism and season one of the show like that. That show just taught me a lot about the idea of cosmic balance because like star wars as a franchise always tried to have this message about keeping things in balance and and really controlling your emotions in the way that the universe is structured between dark and light but avatar actually does it. And i'm excited for you to finish getting through the legend accord because they go far deeper on on the cosmic balance in that universe. One thing that i liked about avatar was the redemption or my one of my characters zuko right and there are such zero. He was the best. I love uncle. I wrote to his t he. Yeah yes but think about how. Poignant that messages right now in our age of cancel culture of a bad tweet ruining someone. They're done that can never come back. Well this dude started the show as the villain and ended up making a really honest transformation and being one of the good guys by the end. If that's not a message that that we need right now more of i don't know what is. I am looking forward most to the possibility of an iro series. So gimme gimme uncle. Iro traveling the world for his t's that's all we need spencer claiming thank you so much for joining the show this week. It was really nice to meet you and talk and talk to you. What a pleasure. It's been thank you both thanks. We'll do it again all right. Everybody we ask for feedback and feedback is what you gave us so. If you're watching us on youtube right now make sure your subscribe. Click the like button and then write us a comment. We might just read it next week but for now we asked you not to hold back and think it's fair to say you didn't hold back so we're going to be reading some feedback from our viewers from last week and steven. I got a funny one for you for the first ones one. Twitter user wrote. Oh my god. He looks like he's twelve years old. I'm thirty one merman over here looking like you're fifty. My daughter is almost twelve years old. That's wrong all right. I've got one from. Larry see on the youtube page. Great concept total dork for the show. I mean really. Come on get some talent. Well i will say. I think the amount of of lord of the rings and avatar references we've made. We can't take too much offense with red shorter like batman references and wonder woman talk. But we're making door cool again. stephen. I don't think that's the thing. Let me think it's so. This is a good one right. This is actually a positive one comment on our youtube page. Reflect islam said loved the points on endless war and the need to move toward a multi-ethnic movement the latter was especially spot on as even in new york city the district that swung more towards trump or minority precincts. I mean. I love hearing stuff like that because one of the things that you and i very much believe that the next generation of future of the right has to be one that appeals to people all across american life. And if we're doing that so far we're winning nothing wrong with that and end the wars all right next one. This is from. Dave mclean and acquaintance of mine from my hometown. He called me out for using the term the swamp to describe washington. Dc and dave says seems like what the refreshing direction. You're going with this. You might consider a jettison of the old memes and retake intellectually washington having watched one of my favorite buildings be ransacked by reactionaries in january. Wouldn't that be a step. That right now could take. I hear what you're saying. I already responded to dave in the comments as well but like i think we really got to be careful about idealising washington too much there. Is this idea that it is the west wing in some people's minds. Some people think it's house of cards. I think it is veep personnel here. But i get dave sam but like this is the swamp this is a place of self dealing people getting rich off doing things they shouldn't i don't know i always say like trump have drained it but dubbing the swamp was one of the truest things he said you and i both have lived in the city of lived in the area. And if if there's one thing you see here it's that swamp and swamped denizens. Who call the shots in the city. So i i don't agree with that comment but hey the that's why we asked you for your take and it's it's tied to like we want government to be good. We should trust our government and our elected officials but only to a certain only when leaders of access and right. Now i don't. I certainly don't think they do now. I hear you so you have the next one. So this is an email from daniel be. He said he appreciates the show. And it's nice to see an intelligent discussion of issues from a conservative perspective. We need an alternative. To the trump limbaugh breitbart brand of conservatism with all tate and conspiracy theories. Well we're not interested in hair or conspiracy theories just lord of the rings and the legend of cora so on this show. I sounds like we're doing something right. Then you have found the alternative right now and from the youtube comments patent rights. The soy is strong with folks. I blame you for this. Yeah i'll say there's not a lot of soy in my house. There's a lot of red meat and burgers and steak cooked all the way through the and well done with ketchup. Everybody that united states now the right way. And if you don't agree we'll tell us in the comments. But you're wrong. So and if you want more. Brad's bad food. Take subscribed to as podcasts breaking boundaries for the worst every single week all right we also have Some good news. We want to share with you to continue with our theme of hope. We're going to be doing this every week on the show. We do have some reasons to be cheerful. The pandemic accelerated many things in two thousand and twenty including the decline of capital punishment. Eighteen prisoners were sent to death row last year. That's the lowest since one thousand nine hundred seventy six when the supreme court revived the practice. The federal government carried out a majority of the executions at the state level. Colorado ended the death penalty this year. New hampshire struck down from the law in two thousand nineteen lift. Fear dock and virginia is poised to follow suit this month. Pending the governor's signature now. I'm for a little less state-sanctioned violence that gets two thumbs up for me. I don't know if you feel the same way. But i think that's good news. Look i think if you think the government is bad at pretty much everything does that should probably extend to the most important thing. Does the death penalty taking people's life away so the less we have that the less opportunity we had for executing innocent people to me. That's a win but in on a slightly lighter note right my thing. I saw today the news that the international space hotel will be opening up within a decade. That that it will be expensive at first only for wealthy people. But here's my thing. Is this the latest project from disney. Actually don't know alon. Moss covers behind it. But here here's my ping right in our lifetime. 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Where Should Libertarians Stand During the Conservative Circular Firing Squad?

Reason Podcast

55:34 min | 2 years ago

Where Should Libertarians Stand During the Conservative Circular Firing Squad?

"Normally at the beginning of our Monday editor's roundtable edition of the reason podcast. We start with a little found audio usually of an American politician, saying something stupid or at least disputable in some way. But since our main topic today is a war of written words being fought by just about every single person who describes himself, as conservative, these days, the only appropriate audio, I think would be the fight scene in placing saddles, and that's been vetoed for good reason, because, you know, too soon. Hi everyone. This is Matt Welsh ear along with Peter suit of nNcholas be and Catherine. Menu ward, good morning my friends in mourning. How're you met? I'm mets. Great. Thank you for asking. So let's set up this discussion here, two thousand nineteen has been already something of manifesto season, among the right of center commentariat it was the nationalist moment. According to James Antle, new American conservative Christa Muth in the Claremont review of books, declares. The Trumpism is the American version of the revival of the spirit of nationhood and the rich democracies of the North Atlantic a bunch of fairly well known writers at first things jointly declared recently that there is no returning to the pre Trump conservative consensus that collapsed in two thousand sixteen and that among other things quotes, we oppose the soulless society of individual affluence on quote, this will be a fem-, recurring, by the way, one of the co signers of that. So a New York Post opinion editor, so rob Amari set off the lake. Latest last week of crazy conservative bar fighting about eight days ago when he literally reacted to a Facebook advertisement for children's drag Queen reading our at a public library in Sacramento, let you all digest that by tweeting, quote. If you can't see why children belong nowhere near drag with its currents of transvestite fetishism. We have nothing to say to each other. We are irreconcilably opposed. There's no polite David French, she in third way around the cultural civil war. The only way is through unquote at David French for normies out there is a writer for national review. You also used to be the head or a big litigator of the foundation for individual rights in education, which does campus, free speech work and for about ten days in two thousand sixteen he was the great never Trump presidential hope, and that obviously ended up in tears Amari, then followed up that swipe with a column titled, and I'm not making this up. Against David French ISM and away. We went in all of this. If you're seeking further background on all this, please consult Robby suave as piece from Friday here, there are so many interesting things that we could talk about that spring from all of this all these subplots and everything else, but Catherine. I wanted to start with you just kind of by drilling down into the Archduke Ferdinand assassination moments of all of this. Which is what does it say about American politics in twenty nineteen that we've just spent a week? I don't know about we but a lot of people have spent the past week, absolutely smashing. Each other over the face having to do with drag Queen reading our in Sacramento. It says, I think it says Archduke Ferdinand like things at least for the intellectual, right. Such as it is would which is to say a bunch of people got pissed off over kind of interpersonal entanglements, and are now going to do something so catastrophically self defeating that the, the all of like art literature and politics, will be a smoking ruin for a little while. And then the trauma will linger forever. So and again, I think this is actually mostly just in the in the realm of the intellectual, right? Which the election of Trump to me actually showed the intellectual right was not a very important force. And in many ways, people think of libertarians and indeed, even reason magazine as part of that. Right. So this is a reckoning for all of us. I think we've talked about that on this podcast before at the same time the thing that many people on the right have decided to do. And that I think I do think that the sort of central document here is that I things manifesto that you referenced is to abandon the principles of political realism and pluralism in the in the traditional sense. So, basically, to say we no longer think that creating a maximum amount of autonomy for individual choice in the service of keeping space for religious freedom, and for traditional values and traditional communities as well as those who would not like to participate in those things is a viable compromise. I still think that's viable compromise. I understand why these folks are feeling grumpy and pessimistic about living the particular life. They wanna live right now. But they the drag Queen happy hour thing to me is, is a shift and it's also part of this shift to suddenly asking the question of whether we should reimburse, nah. Nationals, and everything is going to be identity politics. Maybe the identity politics of this particular threat of the intellectual. Right. Is nationalism that didn't work out super well, last time, I would rather not Peter you live in Washington, and you probably have still true, a higher much higher tolerance than I do for the people who kind of adjective is there cons by which I mean reform Okan's Neo cons. Theo cons paleo cons, crunchy cons. Ooh, I remember the crunchy cons. Con Carol obviously. How much of this, I mean, Catherine referenced the sort of this is a discussion among the kind of intellectual political, right? Amongst themselves how much this can be sort of quickly, and perhaps, even cynically explained by a Washington has a permanent class of people who write about politics for a living, and they're just trying to dress up their relationship slash reaction to the current power center of the presidency with some noble and intellectually, interesting sounding adjectives. Well, they're, they're certainly not trying to dress it up in drag a are would be wrong because of the children, and I would also. They're certainly but there is yes, there is some of that is going on. You know, I think the, the weirdest part of, of Amari's piece on David French is when he praises Donald Trump for basically for being real good for the social conservatives. He says with a kind of animal instinct, Trump understood what was missing from mainstream more or less French, Ian conservatism, his instinct has been Trump's instinct has been to shift, the cultural and political mix ever so slightly away from Tommy above all, toward order, continuity, and social cohesion. This is a guy who like de in his campaign rallies regularly featured Trump saying, hey, you should beat up protesters, Trump slept with a porn star paid off a porn star. We all. Wrong with that, right? But like social conservative hero, right? Like the grab them by the pussy guy just doesn't seem a particularly obvious candidate and Trump is even this week, tweeting, the lesbian and gay Americans have have contributed, so much to this country. And we need to be proud of them and, and recognize all of their contributions, which is, is true, by the way, it's totally right. Trump is right on on this. I do not often praise Trump on this podcast. But I would actually point you back to just a couple of days before this set of manifestos in responses, broke out, an Amari was complaining about presentations, of gay marriage on public television on Twitter. And there was like a little mini discussion that broke out part of the people that were mad about Arthur. Well, yes, that's, that's it was a cartoon mouse gay marriage, that we are Aardvark. Aardvark Aardvark press. You guys were all over with that fact. Check by the way. Cartoon arbox gay marriage or not entitled facts. And like he was he was pretty upset about that. You know, he didn't want children being exposed to this. Holy unnatural way of blah, blah, blah. Whatever the public television, be for the common. Good, and there shouldn't be public television. And there's an argument about whether libertarians believed in censorship of public television, or something that, like everyone was wrong on, because the actual libertarian position is just no public. None of them could figure this out which was hilarious and then you go. And so I want I want to contrast that with his with what then happened in the aftermath, where Charles cook of national review got into a tiff with Matthew Schmidt of first things, and Schmidt, who is defending the Amaury position ends with sort of like his, his final salvo is why can't believe David French in his response. Referenced game of thrones a show with news. And, and like and that shows he's not really social conservative question, Mark. That was like, oh, that's how you can tell that this is just a man who is, who is vulgar an awful. And so you like that is what this is about. It is about not allowing people to have fun. It is about being against Arthur and game of throats, and like there's no program here. There's nothing other than like on the one hand. We're pro-trump even though he's the most sort of overtly vulgar, and crass president in recent memory, I think even more so than than Bill Clinton and on the other hand like you should feel bad that you watch game of thrones. You person who likes things. So here's the thing, though. I actually that piece of it to me like this is a bit against fun. And it's because there is, I think a genuinely felt sense on the part of this particular type of social conservative on his bed. America's been having too much fun that America actually been having too much fun and neglecting, the deeper, more important things. Now, I disagree, but that to me at least seems wearily slightly deeper and more important things. But to me, the thing that, that is baffling, and I think is also the least ad hominem attack one can make on these people is their claim that this all stems all of our current problems or many of them stem from the fact that libertarians have been winning for too long, and that is the piece that blows my mind because everybody on the half you'll like we've just one so hard. Right. So this is we've talked about this lots of times, and maybe we have one in some sense. Maybe it actually is true that the deep deepest libertarian idea that like a liberal rights respecting order, that maximizes choice is a thing broadly that we have moved toward in the last several decades. I think that's true. But the idea that libertinism which is like that's always the best dog whistle for when you've got like a real social conservative, writing is when they're when they refer to libertinism, which no one uses that word, accept these dudes to mean us, which is a weird turn of events because, frankly, we're not that good of means you, Catherine matured with your children to MU person may rate might utterly compares to agree. And you're like, yes, you know, one of the things that to me is the question is, and this is I think that the, the starting place is the Tucker Carlson, January monologue where he says, we have to stop carrying about economic growth and material prosperity and restructure our politics and our commercial culture around traditional values, including, you know, family, and, and faith, one of which one of the touchstones of which although he doesn't say Tucker did not. Site Orrin cast a new Orrin cast book. Which the one of the primary arguments was that we overrate economic growth, as a public policy goal, one of the, the lurking things here, and it's in the first things manifest. So it's in a lot of national review, conservative talk or attacks on individual autonomy, which is ultimately a libertarian principle, that maximizing individual autonomy, and respecting giving it room to flourish to fail or to succeed as central to human flourishing. That's what they're against the first things people. But also often many of the national review people. And I think looking at this not I don't give a shit about the conservative sex warring with each other. I do think from a libertarian perspective. It's, it's extremely interesting that to the extent that conservatives now national review conservatives have to at least pretend to abide by kind of liberalism classical liberalism in the marketplace of ideas and. Celebration. All that allows in terms of speech in terms of argumentation in terms of lifestyle experimentation, I think that is a gigantic win for a libertarian sensibility, and that sensibility can be the right wing or left wing or neither can just be sure libertarian, I was struck you know, as this was happening today. Jonah Goldberg who's been at a national review for about twenty or twenty one years, who's leaving his start a new thing with Steve Hayes, the former head of the weekly standard, which is out of business because of changes in the conservative kind of media political landscape post on old Trump. Jenna Goldberg is actually now talking about letting thousand flowers bloom, in a way, that explicitly an attacking reason, and me and for Jenny posture, and Andrew Sullivan twenty years ago. He's embracing what he was then critiquing us for which was the idea that, you know, as long as people are free to exit systems that they're uncomfortable with or give voice against them. You know, he's he's in favor of that. Now in the past the accused us of what he called cultural, libertarianism, and the idea that you could just pick. And choose from various traditions and make your own culture. You know, I think we've won and I think it's, it's, it's kind of fun to see conservatives beat up on each other. I think the larger question is, what do we do with this one, one thing that, that has struck me over the past week in and, and also in reading George Will's news book, new book, which is called the conservative, sensibility is how much the phrase classical liberal has been thrown around as a positive self identifier. I don't think I've seen it used this much this, positively since you know, the last time, some group of libertarians wanted to stop calling themselves libertarians because I've usually seen it over the years. But Catherine you're about ready to talk. So I'll let you up a little bit on that which is to say Nick says and rightly so that it's interesting to watch. A lot of people like national review type of conservatives. Call themselves classical liberals and also point very specifically toward the actual tenants of classical liberalism and, and celebrating that, and those are exactly the people who now find themselves kind of flung into the universe away from the modern Republican party and increasingly away from modern conservatism. So what does it say that the people who embrace this thing then become ideologically homeless? And what is your message to those people Catherine it? So I actually I feel like I joined libertarianism broadly around the time that the last spasm of, hey, maybe we should really be calling ourselves classical liberals was ending, which was in the in the ninety s malate ninety s and I think there, there was, I agree that there, there is sort of the, there are sort of these moments when people are like, well, you know, I don't I don't like any of. Of the things out there. But I do like liberalism. I do like liberalism in traditional European sense, and hey, there's this word out there, the kind of means that so maybe I'll call myself that, but it libertarianism sounds like there's just too many. There's too much long hair onto money. Pot smokers or something extra teeth just doesn't need to be there. Yeah. Something there's just like a little too much loosey-goosey Ness out there like, you know, the, the, the classical liberals themselves that problem. So I do think there is a desire for sort of respectability libertarianism, as an alternative to what is increasingly like terrifying, authoritarian, nationalist conservatism. And, and maybe this is the moment for reflection for us, right? That, that the people who were doing some version of respectability libertarian also kind of became the outright, maybe the people, I know. Gimme gimme a hot second. Call me pants everybody that, that there, there always has been within libertarian branches of people who say libertarianism branches of people who say the western tradition is important. The, you know, the conventions of a free society demand, personal responsibility with a lot of emphasis on the personal responsibility. And some of that rhetoric was the rhetoric that, that the folks who once identifies as libertarians and then left and please, like let the door hit them in the ass on the way out. They were never really libertarians. But this language about western values an order and rule of law, and the responsibility, that comes with liberty that turned into the kind of white nationalist ult-, right thing, like these people are looking for an alternative to that these people are looking for an alternative to both our thing and that thing and there's no space for. That bill. No. So I would say two things here and one is I think you're right that there is a searching aspect to this. There is a sort of exploratory. It's, it's somewhat. There's something of a throwback aspect as well. Right. Like we return who is slow in the first things crowd, the, the, the Amaury assists, the people who signed the first things manifesto, seora, Amari, and all the people who sort of expressing dissatisfaction with all of the available current alternate, and they are trying also to hitch it to Trump since these people tend to like authority. Unlike central authority figures in nationalism, and he's a nationalist economic policy was, yes, that is correct. And so they're trying to hitch it to Trump. And I don't think that, that makes any sense at all. Just kind of it's just incoherent, but there is an effort to do that, and they're trying to, but they're, they're, they're they are looking for an. Genda. And this is the thing that Republicans have been doing now, basically, since the Iraq war is that is that Republicans have increasingly been a party. Without an agenda without a real coherent, sort of policy program, and that you see, I think the most coherence, and I don't wanna say best, but they're parts of it, even that I agree with the smartest version of this is the orange cast book, which really is a detailed and thoughtful policy program with a as I reviewed it. I think it has a lot of problems. I there's a lot of it that I disagree with it goes too far at sort of tries to solve the problem of despair in people's souls, using a whole bunch of technocratic policy lovers, but it's an agenda. And if you look at the Republican party right now look at what they're running on. What are they running on the running on basically three things? If you're not Donald Trump. Well, even if you are Donald Trump, the running on number one, we love Donald Trump. That's, that's not an agenda. I guess it's a it's a promise not to impeach, but it's not a promise to do a specific thing the running on. We won't do socialism, which, again is not an act. Agenda of thing. They will do. It's just a thing that they won't it's we won't do socialism, like, like Democrats will and three will do some trade immigration stuff, and especially will will restrict immigration. And so that's the closest thing they have to an agenda right now. And this is an attempt to flush out the rest of it. And I think it's, it's, it's pretty telling that, you know, it's the Amaury part of this is pretty empty when it comes to actual policy specifics, that's not really clear what they wanna do, besides not have Arthur on public television. Who's an Aardvark? So I think you really scanning the idea that conservatives don't have a policy agenda, the Republican set. They are they're in favor of economic nationalism, and they pushed through and congress happy to play along with it to the extent. You don't hear Republicans talking gets it, and you hear more of them embracing things like tariffs immigration is a huge thing and has been for national review has been pushing extensively restrictions immigration policy for at least twenty five years, if not more they are antiabortion in the extreme, they have a they're in favor of cutting taxes, which they actually did, they don't have a healthcare plan, but they're against it extension or expansion of ObamaCare, and certainly against Medicare for all, even if they like Medicare for old, people who vote Republican there, also in favor of paid family, leave increasingly on the right among conservative think tanks that would have been screaming bloody socialism twenty years ago you have groups like the independent women's forum, that's actually pushing that. As is vodka. Trump as our number increasing number of pro kit having more kids, so I and then there's a whole group of searching for a new right agenda. But what I'm saying it's there, it's there, there's legislation. And there are plans that are being pushed, so I think this idea to be quite honest. I think the idea that Trump doesn't have an agenda. The Republicans under Trump don't have an agenda is somewhat off. And then there's the question about foreign policy as well. That's a place where I think the country on both sides, you know, people are grasping, neither party has a coherent or consensus is probably a better term foreign policy. But I think there's a lot of policy stuff that is happening. It's not as extensive in. It's not that the Republican, the, the, the right agenda, such that it exists is largely a cultural agenda. And yes, that it has ecconomic consequences certainly win tariffs, and I don't think immigration or tires are simply cultural issues. I mean analysts government spending. Taxes taxes is not a an economic issue, but, but taxes is just the sort of dead end tax cuts without spending cuts forever. Right. It's, it's barely an agenda. It's just let's pull the same level. We've been pulling and for, I don't agree with that. But they've never cut a major issues, which are healthcare education and housing. And that's what Democrats are focusing. Just just tremendous. For moment here. I would point out that in the, the French Amari wars. And in the kind of different ways at maps out a consistent. Critique among the first things crowd is that the dead consensus that they are against includes slavish devotion to tax cuts for the wealthiest Americans. So they're against that like to the extent that there's intellectual Trumpism. They tend to question the tax cuts piece of all of that, which is another one reason to it's weird to this, this particular social conservative agenda to Trump on, you know, who actually saw this coming is David Brooks, in April of two thousand eighteen he wrote a column called a renaissance on the right. And here is the list of people that he named Amari, Helen Andrews, Charles, cook, Mollie Hemingway, Jason will look Michael Brendan Doherty Gracie. Homestead James pillows, Aren cast Matthew Schmitz, and many others. Like David Brooks has been writing that. Column. I know you're right for this year's was right. This time us, like it was will Wilkinson. Megan mcardle, navy Peter Schwartz. James pool is closure is my wife and is delightful James Pelos was on the list both times, which is impressive that he could happen. Coming new anyway. The point is he was completely. Right. He's he this column says, there are a bunch of conservatives out there who have put at the center of their conservative, critique the modern liberal capitalism is to Solis, atomization and destructive of basic institutions, these people are going to fight fire with fire using identity and pop politics to fight identity and politics. And that is what's happening. He was right before the into my extended David Brooks of analysis here and perhaps, before whatever neck was going to say, they'll maybe everyone should go read. Matt Welsh is cover story on David Brooks. From a few years ago. Classic modern classic classic. Now we've, we've. Distracted me from what I know the, the critique underlying the a lot of the kind of the, the first things side of this, I and Sugerman, reference, this explicitly sort of, like, the, the sole snus of what modern capitalism has delivered. We've seen a lot of different series of books that have come out, Tim Cardi's book is sort of about this Ben Sasse. It's been touching on this, Mike Lee talks about this in, in various ways. We see it reflected, perhaps, depending on how you look at things in the increase of mortality rates, among of basically, me middle age white due to the college degrees, and, and other things like that I would like us to address that issue on itself, is there, not a kind of a weird drifting unhappiness across the land and did nNcholas contribute to it directly through his knee. He'll liberalism neck. You want to address that. Yeah. I think that we're in the midst of telling ourselves bunch of fake stories about how dire an awful American or life is and the twenty first century. And so we both on the right and the left for different reasons tend to say that, oh, you know, the actually most of the income gains in the past twenty years have gone to a small group of people who get richer, and richer, and kind of piss on everybody else that there are increasing numbers of deaths of despair that are due to a kind of liberal trade policy, and globalization and things like that. That there's no way that poor people can get ahead anymore in American society that the world is more dangerous and fraught with more inequality. I think we I think that the stories we tell ourselves all point to climb because both conservatives and liberals Republicans and Democrats benefit from taking over in a in a world, that's in crisis, and, in fact almost the exact opposite is true, and that there is an enormous amount of social progress at his consummate being made technological progress that is being made and, and other forms of liberation and fulfilment impossibility. And that, that's the essential, I from a journalistic, one of you. I think that's one of the essential functions that reason serves is both to document how these stories the scarce stories are wrong, and also what's going on. That's increasing and improving and, and generally better. But this is also the great power of what this again, tiny subset of a tiny subset of people who may be. Actually have any power intellectual conservatives are saying that makes it. So, so. Interesting is that they are just waving away all of that. They're saying it doesn't actually matter, whether infant mortality is at an all time low. It doesn't actually matter whether people are, you know, have more purchasing power than ever before none of that matters. Those things are, are baubles. They are distractions from the true long-term, immortal values to me, though, the question is once. Okay, let's say that they're right. They're not they're not. Right. They're very wrong. But let's say that they're right. There's still this question of, like, there's like an underpants gnomes problem. Like there's just a like, okay. Sure. What really matters is faith, and family and the nation. Sure. So what, what now like, how do we get to a world where those things matter? And certainly Donald Trump doesn't get us to that world for reasons that Peter just outlined, and certainly the Republican. Currently constituted doesn't get us to that world and certainly essays in first things don't get us to that world. So how they have this phrase, so good. And even the highest good. And it's totally unclear what policies you could or steps like meaningful steps you could take to get a to create as why loaders, but a government that promotes the common and the highest good. Whatever it is that this is why they. No doubt the Handmaid's tale that they know what it is. They know what the common. Good is on the right. And the left knows what the common good is on the right. And one of the things that I think, is particularly interesting from a libertarian perspective of this moment, is that this is going to force, an increasing number, and we've already started to see this with never Trump conservatives, kind of having to embrace their inner libertarian, and they may call themselves Costco, liberal for a while. But they have to vacate old Horry institutions on the right including national review, which really doesn't have that much when you get down to it, they don't have many policy differences with a lot of the people at first things or other conservatives, but they're going to have to embrace the idea that they believe in a liberal order, and then, you know what, what you do. Next Catherine, I think is not not on the right or the left because they, you know, an and, you know, they'll say we have the right answer, and we're gonna shove, it down people's throats, and we're not going to allow dissenter or anything like that. Because that way madness lies. It's going to be up to the rest of us to create our run our experiments and living, and, you know, through suasion and example, pull more people into utopia utopias. And I think it's happening that, that the common good thing, though. I think is it's worth going back to the yes, maybe they know they know what it is. But in practice, what it translates to is game of thrones his smutty. And you should feel bad for liking it. And when I and when I started by saying that what they're really against is fun, and what they're really against is sort of joyful engagement with culture and ideas. That's because I think that, that I not all of it, but a lot of what, what their stance is, is, is, is, is that is that it boils down to a kind of a sneering prudish sense that, that stuff is just bad, and we should be above it, and we should condemn it and I, I don't I don't talk about this a whole lot. But, like I grew up. Up in a pretty conservative religious community. I went to a Christian college for the first half of my college career and explicitly Christian college where you had to good mandatory chapel attendance. That sort of thing, and a lot of why I have left that community in that part of the world, I still have very good friends, who are who are involved in it quite deeply, and I still respect a lot of those people, but a lot of wildlife that world is because there is this sort of cultural, authoritarianism this, this kind of soft T tyranny to it, where it mostly expresses itself in the idea that what you like is not something that is, is okay, too, like, because it is destroying its corrupting your soul. It's making the world worst for children and know like it's just it's it is a it is a, a denial of the of joy and pleasure in experiencing the world. And it's awful, I think the other piece of that, though, is like actually appreciate. That you expand on that a little bit because I think I was reading your argument just now as like they're just means. Right. Like they just don't like fun. And I think that it's always a mistake to argue from the disposition of your opponents. Right. But I think they don't like fun in the service of the greater good makes more sense. I think there is, though, also a, a reaction. There's a reactionary element in both the highfalutin sense, and in the like very low level, personal sense like their reactionary. They're reacting against. You know what, what exists now they reacting against the status quo. And the perceived decadence of status quo they fund it ugly, and personally distasteful. But there is also I think a. This is this is when the left says what the right one is rights wants is the Handmaid's tale with the right ones is the accuracy. There's a certain like I think, when someone says that to you enough times, though. I don't think it is morally laudatory. I am sympathetic to the fact that some percentage of these people might just say fine, fine if you think I'm a monster. If you think I actually want the Handmaid's tale fine. Let's do that, then let's I'm going to actually advocate for the freaking Handmaid's tale. I'm gonna do it. And like I, I have felt that temptation myself, right? When reason has published it's eight thousand article about social about poverty remedies or about how like the police hurt black people every day. And someone says you don't care about black people or the poor. I am sometimes center to be like fun. I'm just going to get my monocle MARTINI glass. And I'm going to go get on Charles cokes yacht and scrawl, but I don't because because actually. Do care about because I actually do. This is like this is alternately. My question is like when, when this group of conservatives leans into. Yeah, we basically are going to think about building a nationalist, the accuracy, you know, a nicer one, then, then Handmaid's tale may but still that, like was being a monster a pleasure. They were previously denying them. That's nice. Thank you about it, but important to recognize that the right broadly speaking. And again, it's not even worth making distinctions between national review commentary, and first things on this score. They have lost every culture war battle that they have entered. And that's what they're pissed about. And like, you know national review and first things can now fight as if they're bitter enemies, but they're really not and they're just gradations on the anchor, you know, that it's supposed to, you know that's yelling. Stop on where is going and better else? They're bitter. And they're you know, they're, they're fading. This is the you know, the first thing stuff is the thrashing of, of a dying beast. It's, it's not going anywhere. It's not going to build things. I think the, the one positive thing is that it might force a bunch of conservative people who think they're conservatives be like fuck it, you know, what almost twenty years into the twenty first century. I'm actually not consi-. -servative ob- libertarian, I couple of things to, to, to point out one, I find it kind of interesting that I mean David French is in the in, in the middle of, of, of this fight in, as I have mentioned, the top he was floated by Bill Kristol, former weekly standard editor as a and, you know. Co inheritor of Neo conservatism as a never Trump presidential candidate for a week or two in two thousand sixteen. It's interesting to see that. The never Trump crystalline effort to look for a GOP primary challenger has. Produced nothing may for awhile is could be Larry HOGAN, the governor of Maryland, he just announced over the weekend. Nope. That's not going to happen. John casick has some kind of long running. Oh, I might run. I might not thing as part of his CNN gay, but he's not going to run most most likely, and what you're left with is at this point the a person who Iran as libertarian in thousand sixteen for vice President Bill weld who's the only person competing against Trump, and now you're seeing a lot of the energy of the kind of conservative, not Trump people floating towards Justin, a Masha couldn't be less DO conservative, unless you hatch something from Ron Paul's factory somewhere. So it's kind of fascinating to see the, the personnel dead end ISM. At least momentarily now and the strange bedfellows. And the other thing that I'll points out since Katherine brought up David Brooks. And that's an evergreen is that I, I look at all of this as a strange replay of what happened between. Let's say. Two thousand two and two thousand six not with nationalists kind of post paleo cons as we're seeing right now. But with Neo cons back, then which is to say they had a president. They had influence on a president probably Neo content. More influence on the Bush presidency post nine eleven then, you know, intellectual conservatives have on Donald Trump, but still let you know, their team broadly in charge. Hey, it's manifesto season. And the, the classic of the form, there were a couple, but in many senses of the one that was most telling to me, was David Brooks, national or New York Times magazine cover story from two thousand four that was timed with Republican national convention in New York City, saying the era of small government. Conservatism is over is absolute exaltation that the last remnants of gold water, ISM and economic lib. -tarian ISM had been decisively quashed now. It's going to be a new, and perhaps, permanent governing majority on the right with all this new voices back then. Which back then was probably right. Haunt salaam? And, and rows do tat and whatever, and I will mispronounce that until I die. And, and it he overshot but is an interesting, exercise that we see with whenever there is an ascendant wing of conservatism. That is feeling the power rushed through its veins. They look around and say, all right. Let's. Persia. Libertarian-leaning. By name of which is kinda weird and kind of a wonderful as well. So Catherine do. Like you talked about before, sort of how people perceive reason or, you know, there's sort of a historical east overlap between reason and some of these groupings of human beings feel like that's kind of less the case in twenty nineteen partially because of the history of all of this now. But when you see Robbie swab a taking this personally, like they're being mean to libertarians doesn't part of you say, like great that, you know. So it's that's that's them. And we are us. Yeah, I think the piece of it that makes me bummed is. Well, there's a lot of it that makes me bumped including the rise of nationalist, authoritarianism. But the thing that makes me bummed is if the right was doing this in a slightly alternate history where the left was also not abandoning core liberal principles, then I would be like, okay, let's do this thing, libertarians have been kind of chattering, amongst ourselves about for a long time. Which is to be like, we are somewhat more at home on the left right now. Then on the right where we were for much of the late twentieth century, like that, that's the thing that the libertarians have been talking about for ages. That's not an option for us that continues to not be an option for us because we have this insane crossover situation happening where exactly at the moment that the left has moved away from the values of free speech and in many ways, rule of law. And in some ways, freedom of assembly like some really core ideas that libertarians used to share with the left, civil liberties like that the left has moved away from that and the right looked at the left moving away from that. And instead of being like welcome people who believe in those things to our lovely coalition that defends those things the right was, like, yeah. War against those two. We hate that stuff, too, which is unfortunate, and I think the, the, the version of this that is come up. This week is like there's so the, the triggering event of this is drag Queen library, happy hour or whatever. And the there is also a left-wing, critique of drag that is ascendant right now, the drag uses gender, and, and mocks the identity of trans people in ways that are no longer acceptable to the kind of woke left, if we have Michael Brendan Doherty, and like purple hair and social Justice warrior, gal working together to end drag happy hour at the library, something is really wrong. So. Right. Whatever's happening there in exposes some true underlying commonalities that those that those ends of the spectrum of always had. I think that's true. But it also to me says the place the place for libertarians to make common cause with the left or the right is smaller than it's ever been. There is not I appreciate Knicks optimistic. Gloss that some people on the, the more libertarian right will join us as, as conservatives become a third -tarian. But I think likewise, we are just losing. We're losing ground with that with both ends of the spectrum in that way. And I find it. I do not rush. Defrost there as an addendum, I would just say, though, that, you know, there's no question that the extremes on the, on the right and the laughter getting louder and their you know, higher pitched and all of that. But, you know, peop- fewer people are associating with, you know. A Democrats and Republicans, fewer people, I think identify on those extremes. I think I think it's a huge opportunity for us because we've seen this partly for Joe Biden. No, no, it's not. And you know. It you know, because we're also pre political, it's not we're not going to be partisan, you know, in a in a traditional sense, but you start to see a lot of people in over the past couple of years, you've seen people on the left start to freak out over as the anti-free-speech left has revealed itself. They're like, oh shit. Like, that's not my tribe, and they might not be comfortable in the libertarian tribe, but they're closer to us than they were ten or fifteen or twenty years ago. I think something like that will happen on the right. Or has been happening on the right? And it's not always knowledged as much. But if you look at the people at the bulwark, which is the rump group that was founded after the weekly standard gut deep sex by it's, you know, billionaire moneybags you know, they're much closer to us, and are some more critical of foreign policy, etc. I mean this, this is not a bad place for libertarians to pick. I would also just point out that one of the greats benefits or things that. Ah writing a an endless series of manifestos has is that you can ignore the news of the day because I think a lot of the manifesto writers, if they actually were looking at, you know, President Trump slapping, a bunch of idiot tariffs and Mexico, and calling calling the mayor of London stupid loser and a bunch of things like that liberating pride month already. It was like it just it's a it's much easier to live in the world of, of, of area ideas, rather than the grubby, actual place where those ideas are implemented which looks a hell of a lot different, I think, than a lot of the, the kind of, of sketching out of, of what all this means and, and the other thing I'll say just enough enough flight, ninety three elections. Everyone is just gearing up at at every moment for an apocalyptic. That's that is a part of. I think what you see on both the left and the right right now is that it's, it's such an easier thing to do to go to a place that provokes your flight or f-, or fight response in politics, and it, you see, sometimes a sense of relief among people when they get to do. Well, the other side is about ready to lock us all up. So, you know, there's no there's no third way. Now it's a it's, it's all wore all the time and then you know it's. Great because you don't have to think anymore for yourself on some level. And, and it's it's not very seemly. I wanted to get to just transition to our end of show. What are you consuming bit here, partly because what I'm consuming a fits in perfectly with all of this, and I'm hoping that the rest of you will take us away from from this. But anyways, I'm a have been reading the conservative sensibility by George will, which is a way of him to sum up fifty years in public life, and, and make the argument for classical liberalism as the conservatism, and not some kind of irritable blood and soil, nationalism here. It's you. I found myself, very surprisingly in some senses, kind of like saying, yes, on almost every single page, which is a weird thing for someone who has never self identified as conservative. And one of the interesting things that he says, kind of getting to a Knicks pre political point is that sensibility has as much to do with it as ideology on, I'm looking forward to, to interviewing him this week and, and asking him, why that sensibility doesn't make him embrace the actual word libertarian, because that's kind of where the, the intellectual side of it has gone. But Peter, what are you consuming? I have been reading the new, Ian McEwan novel machines like me, it is a, but definitely those, those conservatives are wrong about how materialistic escapists from the it's I mean it's real, it's so meek, you and is the author of books like atonement, right. He sort of high falutin super upper middle brow, British writer, I guess you could call him, right? He's fairly accurate up Brown while also being quite intricate and kind of a tuned to the history of philosophy. And in particular science. And so this is a science fiction. Level set in the nineteen eighties in an alternate history in which Alan turing lived, and sort of set in motion, a great technological revolution. So that say so that things like artificial intell-, and machine intelligence have progressed, far beyond where they are in actual twenty nineteen by the middle of the nineteen eighties. And, and so it kind of an and it takes it's there's it's a story about a guy who is in his mid thirties, and he's sort of bummy, and aimless and kind of he plays the stock market online on his computer and he buys one of the very first models of artificial human. And then he and his kind of girlfriend who lives in the apartment upstairs end up setting. It's big five personality traits. And so there's, there's a sort of psychological quiz aspect to this book. There's an Alan turing aspect to this book. What I'm saying is Katharine regular ward is really going to like it. And it's also about sort of, and it's so it's so it's about the nature of the self and of love and identity, and also the falcons war. Speaking of self love, Nick, whatever you've been reading. Yes. Thank you bat. Wonderful actually, kind of appropriate I was reading the people vs Lawrence Furling, Getty by Ronald kale Collins and graver SCO ver-, excuse me, the fight to publish howl, and it's about a Lawrence Furling Getty a poet. And the owner of open city, lights bookstore, as well as city lights publishing in San Francisco, which was one of the main outlets repeat literature as well as a couple of other experimental Inkatha von guard. A boundary pushing stuff. It's a fantastic story about how in the mid fifties, the publication of Powell of Howell became one of the major launching pads for what we know as freedom of expression in the way that we all take it for granted and might be losing it in various ways. I also interviewed Collins for podcasts. That'll be coming up either this week or next. He's a good example of a person who's politically liberal, but is on speech levels or speech, terms, hyper libertarian, it's. A great rollicking story that is totally. Kind of unpredictable, and it could have gone the other way. And it would've taken another twenty five years, I think to get the freedom of expression we had and I also finished a revolutionary road, the early sixties novel by Richard gates, which was made into a movie with Leonardo DiCaprio, and Kate Winslet a few years ago, it is a one of the classic novels of suburban despair, and kind of deaths of despair of being in a conformist culture in one that prized material well-being over soulful, nece and whatnot at it's worth reading. It's a very good book, very dark book, and a very wrong book, ultimately, but it's particularly worth rating in the moment for all of the reasons we were talking about today, where people are saying, you know, this, this is the world's worst of all possible times, because nobody has any sold or meaning in their life anymore. So that's what I've been before handed over to Catherine. I should also mention that I buy accidents tuned into the last, I think ten. Minutes of a television series that why would have been totally interested to watch all of if I watch TV called a Fossey hair Don based on Bob Fosse, the great courtyard. It's so good on and Gwen. Ver- Donna, his main kind of muse co artist and whatever by anyways, a watching the last ten minutes of a really good or what seemingly good TV show is really a great way to consume it. I recommended that just in general, and I think I'm going to go out and seek all the different things that people have always talked about, and just watched last ten minutes of it because it's, it's pretty great Catherine. Go ahead. Yes, I have a follow up from my last week recommendation, first of all, which is I watched the good omens series, the first half of it. And it is very nice. It's delightful. It's not like the greatest great art. But it is it really scratches the edge. And I think it is relevant to our conversation here, because it is about an angel and a demon who are trying to save the world from the apocalypse and the thing that happens in the end. Spoiler is that the angel and demon just kind of get to know each other over millennia and become pals. And also the anti Christ is just raised by normal people accidentally and is basically just a human, and it works out. Okay, when humans are humans and try to understand each other, as humans, instead of a great manichean battle between good and evil. Just throwing it out there. That's the thing. But the book that I read, which Peters recommendation was very Catherine recommendation. I'm going to return the favor. I am reading lessons from Lucy. These simple joys of an. Old happy dog by Dave Barrett. You guys I hate dogs so much. I hate them. Just as Catherine's most wrong opinion, and it's their people's Denali. Gross animals live in their house. But this book is by Dave berry, and it is therefore very funny and very nice and full of a non Austin patience wisdom that we should all always appreciate, and you should dogs are full of none ostentatious wisdom that we should appreciate their idiots that only want to eat your garbage Peter and cuddle for walks. Anyway. I hate dogs and I still kind of like this book because I love Dave, Barry so much, and it's his new book, and you should read it, especially if you're old like this book is mostly for old people, and it's it seems it seems like good wisdom for the olds. I was on a Bill Maher with Dave berry. He was the, the mid show at on guest to talk about his book, and a mar spent the entire time talking about his prostate. Poor about Dave Barry's, prostate or one. I mean he. I mean he. Aries all prostate conversations are really about all prostates, maybe. Yeah. Yeah. Dave berry is, is great. I was fortunately to interview him for Sirius XM recently as well. And, and he came up afterwards in the little, like a post show have a drink for thirty minutes party that they do there and, and said. When when they all start like saying, these crazy things that, you know, weren't true. How do you how, how do you restrain yourself which is the ultimate? Experience on, on Bill Maher, and I thought it was a pretty cute and the answer of Nicklaus be obviously, don't restrain so just get in there and do it, but yeah, he's, he's delightful. And just a little bit that I've read from that is hilarious and men and funny. It's always good to read. Dave berry, the greatest newspaper columnist in America, partly because he only writes, I think one call me here at this point. That's all the time we have for thank you for listening to the reason podcast editor's roundtable edition keep the listening to us and leaving comments wherever you can and supporting us and see next week. The lesson is that actually dogs are good because they love, you know.

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John Davidson

The Michael Berry Show

08:45 min | 9 months ago

John Davidson

"The a own assume be when you don't davidson is an editor at the federal list. He's written an article in the federalist which is a good read. I always come in the federalist i think they do good work entitled five big things we learned about our elites in twenty twenty and i wanna take them one by one but john. Did you learn these thing did. Did learning these things did these people exposing themselves as they did in any way actually surprised you not at all. I think that these were things. Everyone kind of knew These were things that we could see. Contributing to trump's election in two thousand sixteen the corruption of our elites in the corruption of our institution institutions public life but we certainly got confirmation in ways And and i think that's what twenty twenty brought us. Was these really dramatic. Instances where our worst fears and suspicions about arby's were confirmed time and time again. Let's take them one by one number one. Democrats don't care about science or religious liberty. let's start with the democrats. Don't care about science. What made you come to that conclusion over and over. We've heard democratic governors and mayors saying that we have to follow the science on code and that we're going to let the scientists lead us and we're gonna make all our decisions based on science and over the month as the year unfolded as the pandemic unfolded. We saw time and again mayors and county health officials and governors making decisions really big important decisions about lockdown stay. The weren't based on the science all wasn't based on anything In fact one judge in california called out the county health officials in los angeles saying your order to your clothes. Outdoor dining isn't based on anything. There's no data. There's no science behind it at all. So democrats don't care about science. They say they do but when it actually comes down to making policy. They don't use science to justify the policies that they want to put forth democrats. You know what. I find interesting. John is the rigorous pursuit of truth. That that the scientific method gives us is is. There is truth and honesty to two plus two four. there is truth and honesty to gravity right. these are these are principles or rules. They're immutable they do not change. They will always be there before us. And after us in this idea that questioning opinions of supposed scientist or public. Health officials was somehow taboo. Was somehow dangerous. That is to me more frightening than the fact that these people don't respect science at they don't respect the inputs to coming to conclusions and we saw that on full display. Yeah that's right that's right. I i think the idea that you question the experts Like there are some Clerical class that has a lock on truth and that everything they say is like an oracle coming from. The heavens is really disturbing the the fact that that we treat Health officials and bureaucrats and elected officials as though They their orders and their rules. Come from on high is just not true. And the pandemic exposed that best example our top of mine example. You say democrats don't care about science or religious liberty. What was the case that really in your mind. Voters in americans should look at and say especially people of faith and say look what happened here. The two most high profile cases where when the supreme court struck down governor andrew. Cuomo of new york's order that churches and houses of religious worship should have different standards For opening than Other businesses and then they did the same thing with california governor gavin newsom orders it also discriminated against houses of worship those two things descried and capture sort of elites prejudice against both religious liberty and the complete disregard For science and data. th those orders weren't based on anything other than Discrimination against people if they weren't based on science a data that showed going to socially distanced church service puts you at greater risk than packing into a lowe's home depot. They were just based on the idea that we're gonna discriminaga- discriminate against religion The supreme court called him out on it both times and interestingly the media reframed that discussion to say well that ruling doesn't matter because he's rescinded the order. No no it was important to have the ruling because whether it's in effect for an hour a week a month or forever it's wrong as written not sufficiently narrowly tailored without a real public policy and science behind it. That was an important statement. And i hope that people of faith will will not forget that. I hope it will make a difference in in In georgia where democrats are going to are going to act in lockstep. Because that's what they do you have a prediction there. I think that we haven't seen any change from what we saw. In november with regard to the security and of our elections and the confidence that people can have that the laws that we have on the books. We'll be followed and that the rules that we have are counting absentee ballots for example will be followed and that the the the processes that we have in place to prevent people from voting twice or out of state residents in will be enforced. We didn't see a lot of that. in november. We saw a lot of rules being ignored and laws being broken. And unfortunately we we have to get that six because people have to have confidence in our elections. And i don't know that we're going to have much more success. This time around than we did in november in terms of people having confidence and they leave the democrats will cheat. I believe that there are not secure processes in place to ensure that that when people cheat they get caught. Do you think there are enough. High placed republicans willing to overturn an election. If in fact it is clear. Democrats cheated or willing to dig in and determine whether they cheated are. Do you think they'll do what they've already which is looked the other way and say well. Let's be gracious losers. Yeah i think the latter. I know i don't think there's enough democrats Or i should say republicans that are willing to to dig in and call for a commission and really look at this in a series way which is too bad. Because as i say you have to. People have to have confidence in in the elections. And it's possible to do that. In a credible and serious way. There are states that have mass mail in voting. That secure look at florida Florida elections nobody disputes the result of florida elections. And they know the results right way and yet. This is the state with a really diverse population two time zones millions and millions of people large population and they have large numbers of belan voting. But they do. It is secure way. So that people have confidence as other the integrity john donald davidson come back and see us.

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84 - Disobey Lockdown Now - Douglas Farrow, Andrew Busch

The Catholic Culture Podcast

1:28:58 hr | 1 year ago

84 - Disobey Lockdown Now - Douglas Farrow, Andrew Busch

"Welcome to the Catholic Culture Podcast I'm Thomas v Muris. This podcast is offering the holy family and less importantly up production of Catholic Culture Dot Org. I want to tell you about some friends and a program that is very dear to my heart online grade books. If you've been listening to the Catholic culture podcast for a while, you may remember my interview with online great books. Founder Scott Hamrick back in episode twenty seven. I. Always had an interest in reading through the great books of the Western World List. But. I always felt that I wouldn't get as much out of them reading through on my own I I wanted to find a group of people to do it with me but that's kind of hard to do hard to get a group of people to to commit to reading through. Even one book let alone a list as long as that online great book solved this problem for me. It is monthly seminar program Essentially Online seminars putting you together with a group of people and a trained a seminar leader to take you through pretty much the entire great books lists composed by Mortimer Adler. The simplest way to explain the program is basically they send you the. Book that you'll be reading each month and you get on there and attend the seminar on zoom one of the great things about this program that it's really for people with a life people with jobs people with families. It's a very approachable pace about three hundred pages of reading month just one seminar per month. Although if you're like me, you'll probably wish there were more seminars because that was one of the things I look forward to most every month. Honestly really the greatest value of this program is the people it puts together with is just invaluable to have a group of people from all different backgrounds intellectually culturally to discuss the books with I. Mean There's people who? Did Great in school. There's people who did terrible in school and WanNa. Take a second shot at it in adulthood. The cool thing is that I found that no matter what education level or even level of intelligence someone might have anyone who's really invested and sincere and participating in this adds something of value to the discussion just to give you an example of the variety of people you'll be interacting with and gaining insight in discussions with in my seminar. When I was participating in the program, there were two TV writers living in L. A.. There was a farmer in southern Virginia. There was an Episcopalian priest some of them were conservative some of them were liberal some of. Them were religious and some not. But you gain from discussing these books with people who do share a world you closer to your own and those who don't also just the different cultural backgrounds can be valuable. For example, when you're reading homer's Odyssey the second book in the program and homer talks about you know, the character of the swineherd and the character the goatherd having a farmer in your group is actually kind of useful because he is intimately familiar with the character of these different animals and what what the kind of archetype or stereotype of a goatherd might be. There's also a great roster of seminar leaders I mean one of the memorable characters would be Malecki Mannix. Was In advertising for decades in his eighties and? The day he was part of the team that worked on Tony. The Tiger he was part of the team that worked on the few the proud the brave the marines. Malecki is fascinated with the art of rhetoric and has a lot of insight on that. There's John He's a Catholic and philosophy professor. He knows a lot about Aristotle Emmett and ms a communist, but he will help you get through Euclid and you know to mazing these are people you're going to want to hang out with in real life. I've gotten together in real life with people who weren't even part of my seminar but were part of the wider online great books community people I met in the slack channel for instance, an Orthodox Christian. Dude I went. Out For lunch with in Manhattan and when I was in Chicago last year for the Catholic imagination conference I met up with Carl who's a Byzantine Catholic strength trainer and Marsha, who's classical educator it's just a great community and I really found that especially with works of fiction, I could get a lot more out of discussing these things with other people than I would reading them on my own I. Guess I'm more geared towards philosophy. I can kind of create the the dialectic in my own head to some extent if I'm reading ORCA. Philosophy. But works, of Literature. Definitely. A. Lot of thoughts come out that I wouldn't have been able to generate. Just sitting by myself reading the book also I gotTa. Say The seminars are so much fun that. It kinda solves another problem of going through the great books which is motivating yourself to going I was really motivated to. Do. My reading every month and go above and beyond because I was looking forward to that seminar and I wanted to be ready. If you WANNA learn more about the program, I recommend going back again to episode twenty seven listening to my interview with the founders. Scott for now let me just tell you unwind. Great books has an enrollment period opening on. October. Thirteenth I would recommend if you're interested getting on the waiting list now and as soon as you sign up there, they'll go ahead and start sending you some materials even before the enrollment period started. So if you'd like to sign up what I'd ask you. To do is to go to the show notes page for this episode and use the special referral link that online grade books given us that way you will get twenty five percent off your first three months of your subscription and you'll help us out as well. If you do sign up I think you'll really enjoy finding a great group of people to accompany you on your journey from here to era Sadhil to Augusta and acquaintance, and beyond everybody. Welcome back to the Catholic Culture podcast you may have noticed that through all these months I basically haven't mentioned the coronavirus at all on this show, and that's because my. My way of operating here is usually to not talk about what everybody else already talking about men. Also, it's kind of like it's kind of an arts and culture show generally speaking. So when I do venture into other areas, it is usually because I feel like something is being under addressed. So that said I recently came across a couple of essays that I thought were so good on the topic that I wanted to have both of the authors on here together to discuss both those essays and more broadly the prospects for civil disobedience of Corona virus related lockdowns. One was in Catholic report titled the Health First. Heresy in the American mind which I read from time to time was an article titled Delimits of expertise the health first heresy deals with more with the Church's response and the response of religious people generally. But particularly of the Catholic, church to government lockdowns of religious services and the limit specs petits as as the title indicates a critique of the whole just follow. The experts just listened to the science approach, which is a very simplistic and kind of deceptive in a number of ways. So I have with me today the author of the Health First Heresy Douglas Pharaoh professor of theology and Christian thought at McGill University in Canada. And the author of the limits of Expertise Andrew, he is crowned professor of government and George Are Roberts fellow at at Claremont McKenna, college, Douglas, and Andrew. Welcome to the show. Thank you. To. Pleasure. Also, inter I believe you have the the distinction of being my first Protestant guest who was not here to talk about culkeen. So the the basic structure of this discussion will be I. We're going to talk about the religious side of things. Then we'll proceed to the government policy side and the kind of acquiescing approach that we've taken towards a selected cadre of public health officials and then Then we'll proceed onto kind of whatever may be actionable and all this. So Douglas, you wrote this essay called the health heresy a lot of people. I know found it really valuable in kind of articulating just what's wrong with A certain certain positions taken in this internal debate among Catholics on what our attitude is to be towards the various government mandates and the advice of public health professionals where a lot of people I mean the lion is basically you're loving and serving your neighbor by insert. Any number of things of course is takes on a particular troubling aspect when some Catholics and other religious people are so so quick to kind of acquiesce to a certain logic imposed by people who don't. Really understand the the internal logic of religion and its importance. I mean people who essentially who basically consider it to be non essential as compared with any number of number of things. So I'm glad that we have a Catholic and Lutheran here because I think that resisting these things can can and should be already has been in fact as as I think will come to see an medical effort. Douglas could you explain what do you mean when you say the health first heresy? It's quite simple. Really it refers to the notion that the care of the body. Is Somehow lower important the care of the soul. Or that the body can be properly cared for without attention to its relation to the soul. A lot of people would say though that you are in caring for the body, I under certain extreme circumstances you actually are serving some kind of spiritual purpose in so far as either your loving your neighbor in trying to protect them or I suppose even you could new, they might say that you're being responsible in taking care of your own health. But particularly, what's emphasized is not putting your neighbor at risk the reason I wanted to put this segment I is that it it focuses on something more fundamental if we started with weather of the public health dictates in fact, do make sense from a medical standpoint that I think that we would be missing a chance to emphasize the principle that. What comes first is the worship of God, and that fact not everything is dependent on the contingent medical situation and and ones agreement or disagreement with the details of that. There are actually principles that come first irrespective of what your view is on the severity of the virus I mean, even if it were a much worse virus, I think the idea in your article is that these principles that you lay out would stand. We know that that a bishop can legitimately suspend services temporarily in a in a case of persecution. For example, if there's a bomb threat, they can say we're not going to have mass at the Cathedral today because there's a bomb, there's a bomb threat they can The circumstances they can. They can limit the number of people who can attend. They can have it outside. There's all sorts of things that bishops can do in have done at many times in the past to change the circumstances of worship or to temporarily keep things low key or to do them in hiding or whatever throughout history. But what's the difference between those measures which say may have been taken during the Spanish flu and what's been happening now? Well. We've never seen as a a widespread blanket indefinite Bam on. Corporate Acts of worship certainly you're quite right. There have been many occasions in history where temporary ad hoc changes have been made and these. Is have been have been canceled or postponed. And certainly, it would be very foolish to say that the priority of the soul over the body means that the body's need stood on need to be attended to, and that the church should be untouched by prudential concerns for the care of the body or untouched by state regulation. In these matters, I am not saying anything of that sort. What I am saying is that decisions about the practice of the Christian religion. Proclamation of the word of God. The celebration of the sacraments. The corporate life of the Church. Bears witness to an understanding of the relation between God and the soul and the body that works in definite order priority. The body is is a good thing. It is made good by good God, and the human being is is both body and soul not not just a soul temporarily manipulating a by. Both Body Ford object to God but God, rules the soul the soul rules the body and the concerns of the soul artist, the all human being response properly to God now. Responding to God is first and foremost an act of of thanksgiving. Eucharist. That's at the heart of the right relationship between the human being in God of course that that then goes to acts of of faithfulness and obedience and and the development of the virtues and. Both. Both for the life of the individual as such end and for the social life because the good life he is the human life is good social life. It reaches out to all of these other has implications to all of these other areas, but you have to keep the basic priorities string. Now. We can't expect the state or even society at large to keep those priorities straight. Context where were dealing with states that that are unwilling even to say whether humans have souls. So. We can't leave it to the state to make the prudential judgments here as to the right ordering of human life within or or outside of the context of special stresses such as exist in pandemic. Now, what kind of pandemic were in at present and and how serious it is or isn't that's an important discussion and I have engaged in it, but it's it's not the central point here. The central point here is that is that the church cannot seed indefinitely to the state. The power to make decisions that bear on the proper or during of the lives of human beings and particularly of the church in its mission to proclaim reward and celebrate the sacraments. It must have the liberty to make its own decisions. Working at being cooperative with the state working at being. Careful of of the impact of its actions on the rest of society being careful indeed about the impact of its actions on, it's the members of its own communities. But nevertheless, making those decisions in the light of knowledge of God which the Church claims to have and commission a command of God which belongs uniquely to the Church. So, the idea of an indefinite suspension of the proclamation of the word and the celebration of the sacraments for fear that a resumption of these might produce problems for the human body and therefore also for human beings and the end and even the the potential termination of their lives. Is is to my way of thinking. To work the wrong way round. To make a prudential judgment about whether we should have mass in this place or that place whether we should worship at this hour that hour on this day or that day this week or next week. That's not much of a problem. But the idea of an indefinite suspension of the Public Ministry of the Church while there is a threat to bodily health. That's a problem. You said community can be brought to the sick rather than the sector communion. Yes. But the corporate act of communion cannot as a matter of course, be denied to the healthy or confined to the clergy weather in camera our on camera without upending the Christian view of man in the world. That's a striking point. That it's being denied to the healthy to people who are not even particularly at risk. Yes I think that's important but I don't think it's the main point because of course, those are those are prudential judgment. Sunday are often judgments made on the basis of certain amount of guesswork has to on sequences, particular actions including meeting with so many people in such such a space during this or some other kind of of of threat. The pandemic that is the main point is is that it belongs to the Church To make its own judgments about these things within certain limits that derive from its its cooperation with the state and from, and it's respect for the state's own proper for. So, if the church decides that in this case, it will conduct mass with social distancing and it will only have so many people in its buildings there may be in agreement with the state. And making a good. Prudential. Judgment. But. If the church decides. You know the state has asked us just not to not to hold the League Chris, not not to gather not to proclaim not to celebrate the sacraments not to do. So until further notice when we're quite certain that any threat to the body is passed at that point, if the church concedes it is conceding. To the state kind of authority, the state does not properly have even if it imagines itself to have that. That would be my mind understanding of the matter at least in and we'll hear from Andrew on that I'm sure. But what I'm saying is I think whether it's arch Bishop Gordon Leoni in San Francisco, or or John MacArthur in. La. These resume leaders are doing the right thing in saying to the state thus far and no further. We have our own judgments to make and we and we need to fulfil our mandate to make them in our own way. Right, and then you also made the point that. Completely ceasing the corporate worship God is for the purposes of avoiding a disease. Sorry. is No different than doing so for the purpose of avoiding execution, which is simply an approach that the church has historically taken to in times of persecution. Yes. You alluded to this earlier of course, pastors issuance have made prudential judgments about where when and how to meet. The pastors and leaders of Christian communities have always had to make those kinds of judgment if they could have taken the community in hidden in the forest and celebrated the Eucharist there or celebrated later, that would have been fine that would have been good. But we don't have that opportunity in that context if the government is going to say to us, you know this pandemic could last for a couple of years I'm sorry. You just can't proclaim the word of God or celebrate the sacraments meanwhile because there's a risk that you'll contribute to a spike of corona virus cases. If the state is going to say to the US that to us and if the courts are going to uphold that. Then I guess it does become a matter of celebrating in defiance of the law and in secret, but it can't be a matter of simply not proclaiming and not celebrate. That's that's not a viable option in the indefinite sense that is without without a postponement. Two X FOR REASON WHY? Well Andrew I guess I'll ask you to chime in here. I was with two questions really first. Does that all resonate with your sense of the discussion among people of your own denomination I'm sure there's some kind of internal debate there, and secondly what Douglas has said does that. Resonate. With the the position that you take on the the importance of worship in regards to stay dictates and public health and things like that. I very much enjoyed his article and I think there's there's great value in it. I think you know in conversations that I've had just among members of of my own. Church. There's a great deal of frustration sense that the state has overstepped its bounds. There are some who have said. No, we need anyway and We opened a young California the rules quite stringent. We were allowed to open. For. A while, if I think five weeks in the early summer. And there were great precautions taken social distancing masks, and all of that there was a a revision to the way we did communion or the timing. To kind of reduce the possibility of contagion I guess. By an we were being very, very careful but it doesn't matter the state of California after five weeks. They later layer closed on and we're now opening the Sunday for outdoor worship because outdoor worship is is not on the list the prohibited things so. We are doing, but I think there certainly has been a sentiment among many with whom I've spoken that you know early on for a short time perhaps understandable, it has gone beyond that point. I remember when this all began. And the suspension of worship was first announced. You know I really wasn't sure whether it was warranted by the seriousness of the virus or anything like that, and I was open to debate. But but I did remember I I did say at the time. There's no way that that the powers that be aren't at least taking note of the fact that it was so easy to stop the mass across huge parts of the world. Essentially and we can return to kind of that the precedent this sets in terms of state power, of course, and and will return to that not with just with regard to religion but with everything else. You know I don't WanNa tar anybody unfairly, but I have noticed well, it's interesting because the. Even. Though this is such a politicized issue even among say conservatives, I've noticed a lot of different perspectives on the virus on wearing masks and things like that. But in my experience when I see someone who is just saying I mean. Churches let's say a Catholic who saying. Churches still shouldn't be open. What are they doing? You know we have to protect people and kind of like lecturing and and blaming other Catholics who are questioning the narrative. It's very common that you know when you look at the other things that person is saying, there's somebody who is in many other regards capitulating to the world in in all sorts of other matters. So that's why I do see a pattern they're not in you know somebody who thinks we should wear masks versus not but in somebody who is almost so despite calling themselves a Catholic or a Christian, almost very seemingly very enthusiastic about. Keeping worship shutdown and it's a a strange thing which I don entirely understand but I guess it leads me to another point that you made Douglas. I mean we have to we have to get smart at a certain point and realize the degree to which the world is run by. Our Enemies, people who do want to stop doing people who do think what we're doing is. As worshiping God is is. At best worthless and possibly harmful possibly subversive in various ways this is nothing new. And you made a point that you know there's there's something about also not just in terms of the worship rendered to God but the witness that this offers to the rest of the world and and that our cooperation with just canceling the mass as well as our own charitable activities and things like that does a lot to legitimize I mean to put it in a word secularism and it doesn't do anything to challenge our societies I'm skewed values you know I have A. Friend who you said to me, you know with regard to debate over health care and things like that. If somebody doesn't support the right to life than how much can you really trust their sincerity in carrying about lesser matters of quality of life issues in healthcare and things like that. So. When we when we just sort of take them at their word and don't challenge, you know the fact that abortion clinics are still open and and essential services or the way that the elderly have been treated in certain places I mean I'm I live in New York City. So I'm somewhat aware of all that. We're kind of just going with the flow without without realizing kind of what the big picture. Upshot of all this as in regard to how we treat. All. These different issues I mean it's it's like we're trying to say that yeah, of course you know were loving our neighbor by doing this or being responsible citizens but we're not looking at the big picture in which so often to be a responsible citizen on the standards of the state is to basically undermine our own faith. I think one of the revealing things about this current situation is it. It's telling US quite long to bell what secular authorities think. Of Christianity and Christian churches and and how little they think about. About whether a human being is something more. Than an economic unit with particular health needs. It's also telling US lost about who we are and where our faith dozen dozen to inform our actions. And whether. It I think it's telling us even to look at the question of whether we are serious in saying that God governs the soul and soul governs the ball. Or whether we're prepared to stand that hierarchy on its head. Even when it comes to love of the neighbor. How many people amongst our leaders? How many of our our laity have? Asked hard questions about what the lockdown is doing. To neighbors now, where'd word has to do with people trapped in? So called care homes where it has to do with the very lonely in neighbor next door yes perhaps. But if we think about the parable of the Good Samaritan and asked the question, who is our neighbor, what about those people who live in economies that can't stand lockdowns I think it also asks us to consider what what we mean when we talk about love of the neighbor. These people who live in in economies that basically work on a on a daily basis and on a hand-to-mouth basis, they can't afford lockdowns. The way we can are we answering the neighbor question in terms of only people like us who have economies that we hope can recover from this? We also I think are being shown something about our attitude to life. Take that phrase you use the right to life. I've always been a little uncomfortable with that phrase. Life is a gift. Has the right to give life and to recall it our responsibility is to receive it gratefully and respected. Now, when we talk about the right to life, we are usually talking about a very fundamental. Dimension of our respect for the gift of life. But that language can creep around and back behind us to bite US whereby the right to live and yes this this viruses a threat to my life there are must stop everything else even the worship of God I have the right to not die and I have no right to stop my neighbors from basically. Carrying on a normal life for that purpose even if it's going to be a few months difference in how long I live. So we need to be careful about all of that, we need to think about who the neighbor is and we also need to think harder about what it means to live well, and to respect the gift of life by respecting the creator, these are not things the state is going to do for us. These. Are Not things that society at large. are going to do is going to do for us. There are things that we as Christians must do, and at the same time, as I said, earlier of the church needs to maintain the kind of dialogue with the state that doesn't leave it pleading. For the state to get its knee off its neck as cardinal look wanted in Quebec. City. But rather tells the state we are. Mission of Jesus Christ, and we do have certain rights, and if you don't respect those rights, you may persecute us but we are not going to accept that we have no rights at a to run our own affairs and make our own prudential. Judgments. What about areas? Where obviously divine worship is as an area over which the state has actually no authority. But what about areas where Church and State Authority overlap? Matters of care for the sick, for example. The realm of the spiritual is not an aide temporal realm and it is not an immaterial realm. It's both biblically and theologically, it has again to do with that proper ordering of human life. That is lived in the spirit of God that is the life of the church and of the member of the body of Christ is a life lived in the flash it's lived in is not immaterial. It's not not flesh in in the in the biological sense it's not flash Lii in the sense that it is not ruled by the passions. It's not ruled by the interest only of the body. Or indeed by the lusts of body or soul, it's ruled rather by the right ordering that the spirit makes possible. And so the goal of Christian life both in community and and as as as in families and as as particular person's is always the right ordering of life. With with the recognition that God makes us. And God is good and what he has made his good. So, our when we when we talk to people in our society or we talked to the the people have authority over society. When we talked to the state, we should not be thinking in terms of well, we deal with the spiritual that is the turnley invisible in bodily. Deal with the bottle. That's that's not Christianity that John Russo. And, it's quite clear. That the state has full authority over the things of the body. On his view and and in the even the conscience has no no authority over the body insofar as the body is a public body. That is real edited is the way we relate to one another in the public sphere. So this all of that falls to the State Which is one reason of course, why Russo didn't like any kind of robust Christianity and particularly a Sacramento Christianity particularly Catholicism because refused that dichotomy. The healthcare education everything that concerns both body and soul brings up raises issues where where the Church and the state are going to be approaching common concerns, common matters, but from very different perspectives. And that's why in this present situation, the whole question of religious liberty does become in fact quite important. But I said I was going to be briefed on that. I wanted to hear Andrew So Yeah I I think. I guess my my view is that there are and. Know I'm. Not. I. I HAVE NO PRETENSIONS TO BEING A. Theologian I. Actually think that the the Lutheran doctrinal position on that over time has. A certain moments of history on a strike because I think. That the the initial notion. That there are these two kingdoms was was largely designed to prevent the state from controlling. Religious Affairs. And I think to prevent A. Church from becoming get are twined in the mechanics of government. which can be dangerous and you know has led to many problems in the past. But I actually that there are many issues that are outside of the simple area of. You could say internal church governance. That the that our faith has to act or it doesn't mean anything and and I don't know that Luther would've disagreed with that. If he did that I disagree with them and I think that you see issues like. Issues of life. You know that are. -Tarian issues, right? That's that's a that's a question of fundamental faith and I would save natural law in those cases. The church can't be silent. So I think there are areas that overlap right? I don't think it's only as possible to try a completely a pristine line between the two. And I think this is where you know. During the Third Reich you have. Some Lutheran ministers who understood that Du Pont Hoffer for example and Niemoeller there there were some but I too many fell back on the two kingdoms. Doctrine to kind of step back and they allowed the forces of Palestinian to silence them by being too committed to to a an attempt to create that can pristine a dividing line. The second article of the Barman. Declaration. Which car was primarily drafted by the reformed theologian Karl Barth but was certainly shared by some of those leading Lutherans to it's you're alluding and ultimately signed by all of. A by people from both sides of the divide, make very clear that the Gospel Liberates Human Beings for grateful service. To the neighbor as well as to the Lord and that no no party certainly, not the state. That is incapable of redeeming rescuing the whole human person. Can possibly claim an absolute authority over the human person. Is God and God, alone who gives life and who also restores life. And therefore, it's God in God alone can claim full authority over the human being. And the Gospel Liberates people to live in that grateful freedom and so these people said, no to the Nazi government no to to even their brethren in churches, and by the way this argument was going on also in the Catholic side. With a similar kind of result that the basically about a third of the Catholics and about a third of the Protestants held to to the basics of Olen said no to the state whereas the majority on both sides more or less went along. That's Again what I mean about this situation being revealing. It's Not only about attitudes that the state is taking the big businesses taking. And corporations in universities I'm sorry to say or ten kate. But. It's revealing also about the machinist of the church. In which many people are so absorbed in the in the priorities of the society around them and have their anthropology upside down the have their their their understanding of God's soul body relationship inverted. As to prioritize. FEAR OF A. Of A molecule. Over fear of God. I also think that this is. Not so much about avoiding suffering because plenty of suffering. Is being imposed to avoid the disease. And everybody acknowledges that sacrifices of some kind of being are being made even if they don't acknowledge the full extent of those sacrifices I. Think it's more about control and not just the state using this as a pretext to seize control but. People wanting to be in control of what happens to them. I think I think as a lot more to do with that. Obviously, we're not crazy about suffering in our society either but I think, think we're willing to do all sorts of crazy things and and actually suffer our affair bids rather than admit that we're not in control. Now, I think that's quite right. And it has resulted in in the irony that we have actually ceded control to people to whom it does not belong or all sorts of levels control of. Educational Institutions, control of economies control up drugs, control of of everything, our movements. So in order to feel secure, we've we've we've seeded this control it it it's almost like Dostoyevsky on the and the grand inquisitor It's not that bad but it but it it reveals how how in fact people are thinking like this they will exchange genuine freedoms for false securities. In their freedom they are so insecure because their freedom is not something they're receiving gratefully from God but something they are desperately trying to achieve for themselves. On. Something briefly on that I think the the other components apply is. A. Rising level of utopianism among people or you could say I guess in the negative as our society has drifted away from its Christian roots drifted away from an understanding original San in the fact that we live in a world that is not perfect and is not going to be perfect and there's a sense somehow that if only we manipulate power just throwing away. You know we can. We can eliminate all all the inconveniences and problems of of life including an extremely well virus. That's that. Pass it along very quickly read extremely contagious. Virus out how we can we can come back out and produce this sort of perfect outcome for ourselves and others by handing over the amount of power to those who desire A. Return to the topic of civil disobedience later but I'd like to talk about specifically with regard to. Religious institutions. We touched on the duration California that's been one of the places where the double standards have been most agree just have been double standards and a lot of places with regards to you know, say abortion clinics or whatever. But in terms of a certain forms of recreation and entertainment being allowed more than religious worship. That's something that's been seen in California and the bishops and other religious groups are starting to sort of push back on that the strongest stance that I know of was a basically a joint effort I don't know if they just if they coordinated or just did it at the same time but by Catholics and Lutherans in Minnesota I, think that was back in May just. Completely, defying the lockdown, they probably had some social distancing and things like that going on in their services but they they refuse to suspend public worship. So I guess we're all in agreement that you know the churches should defy state to some extent you know going forward in these matters but. What's it looking like anyway is the end already incite for these restrictions on worship such that it's a moot point to talk about civil disobedience going forward I mean or other places where it can conceivably be for another year of this is going on or is it more that we should be concerned about? What's the next thing? I don't think we know. The duration of the present regime we do know. That, there will be a next thing. And we can be reasonably certain that among next things some will be far more serious than covert has proven to be thus far. So those revelations that we are. Receiving from the current circumstances about attitudes in the state attitudes in society attitudes. In the church, we need to take those seriously and think hard so that we're not caught napping whether we're caught a few months from now in a second wave of a possibly mutated and more serious virus or whether it's only the next time this happens or whether it's the next time a really serious virus happens. We we need to be prepared for all those different scenarios and I think we need to get prepared a quite quickly because frankly there's been as much confusion in the church. As there has been in local and national and international governance. or it could be something coming up with with a completely different pretexts for all we know. But just with this as the precedent for it, what do you think Andrew What are what are the prospects going forward for? For religious groups to to respond to this and to try to at least do damage control I. Mean a bad precedent has already been set. There's no doubt about that. But to to what extent can that be pushed back and reversed and what what would be some ways that that could be done. One thing that could be done what should be done is that a different religious groups, different churches, denominations You'd have a conversation among themselves like the Lutherans and Catholics and then soda and. Be, prepared for to present a common front the next time that this happens that's not going to be easy for a whole range of reasons but I think it's really important I think. If Churches the Christian churches in California, for example, had basically two thirds of them hit said. WERE OPENING WE'RE GONNA follow. You know different guidelines whatever we're we're going to. Be Cautious. But we're GONNA. Take. Precautions but we're opening try to stop us. It would have been very hard for the the state of California deal with that but the problem is it's been one here one there and it is trying to launch d day by sending one inflamed craft at a time across the English Channel. It doesn't doesn't work, and so that conversation has to take place I think the sooner the better the other thing that that could. waylay. Some of this is if these guys are politicians. If they start to feel an electoral backlash. That could have some fact that that's you know it's not clear that that will happen in any of the places where it has to happen most. Reason that folks like this are in power. Know the voters. Have at least tolerated their views on on these sorts of things although there hasn't been an election. To sense this erupted actually test. Public reaction to to these particular stops but. That is conceivably something that how listen to right if they start to see in some of their colleagues lose. Because they've gone too far than you perhaps but I I don't hold out a huge amount of. Hope in that respect there's a kind of a thing people say, well, you know it's all going to go away November and I would certainly like to think. So but you know look at what's happening in Victoria and so many other places in the world look sweat what's happening in Victoria Australia in particular the news. Coming out of there is just terrific I saw A. About a pregnant woman getting arrested for. Posting on facebook about an antilock down protest I found you know there's there's a they have a high powered drones flying around to to find people who aren't wearing masks. You know the in you know several weeks ago they were locking people into their apartment complexes without warning I mean literally the first the first time the people found out they couldn't go outside was when they tried to leave and they couldn't, and there were police outside. So this is not just about the election it's hard it's hard to it's. Hard to imagine that everything that's going all the crazy stuff that's happening this year isn't to do with the election to some extent, but it can't be reduced to that I. Don't think we I mean I. There's one. There's one thing that I'm sure there's no mechanistic solution to the problems that we have in our culture. It's going to require initiative and action. There's no waiting it out. There's no people just have to take things into their own hands at a certain point and stand up for their beliefs. Let's move on to your article Andrew, the limits of expertise at the American mind a while back I read a book by Eve Simone that really helped me call the general theory of authority. One of the discussions in the book is on this kind of modern enlightenment idea of a perfectly scientific administration that. Would almost do away with the need for authority authority in its proper function is replaced with expertise. But one of the one of the points in your article of course in which will get to is that there's no getting rid of authority there's only masking it. There's masking at maybe there's replacing it with this year exercise of power, but it can't be replaced with expertise before we get to the more philosophical parts of your article though I wonder if we could get a brief overview of your case for. Why? The experts have been had the best track record in guiding us through this situation just briefly because I don't want to spend too much time on the walls of that. So I guess there will be two. Two aspects to that argument that the first one is just that experts no matter how much they now. Don't know everything. Right. They're not. They're not on missions and they're not clairvoyant and they they know alive you know and and I don't want to denigrate the importance of people who know a lot formation of policy but. They disagree among themselves right. I mean they're not all knowing, and so in this crisis, you see that frequently saw the World Health Organization. Say at one point early on this is not a world of crisis and then it was and the second you know the surgeon general of the United States at an early March. Don't wear masks and then it became wear masks. You want and then it became you have to wear masks. there's there's actually a it wasn't real. It would be completely hilarious but he even even in the seriousness of our times, it was rather funny video. You can see on youtube of a purported scientific experts giving a press conference in which he's making a statement press. You've seen this it was actually produced long ago. You know after maybe a month or six weeks of the lockdowns where she. Is giving all of the both sides of the contradictory scientific advice. It's been given by experts on this. So the first point. There is no such thing on difficult issues as the expert opinion. The second point is that experts generally even though they might know a lot about their area don't necessarily know a whole lot about any other area and when you go to them to deal with something like a corona virus, let's say perhaps you go to public health experts and Put them in charge of things or say that you're putting them in charge of things. This isn't just a health crisis, right? It's also an economic crisis. It's also a mental health crisis. It's also family crisis. It's craigslist theological, and so the theological prices right and so I said in my piece trying to deal with this problem by leaning almost entirely lamp. Experts it's like trying to build an airplane might consulting only people who know how to build wings right? I mean it's you needed a bunch of people who were familiar with lots of areas, and then what you need were statesman or you know generalists who could kind of make sense of it and put the experts in their place and make the kind. Of Prudential Judgments that and trade offs that need to be made on. So that was my my argument in those response when you referred to scientists or public health authorities changing their minds on things isn't that shouldn't that just give us all the more confidence in in science because it adjusts its dictums according to the the increasing amounts of data that it gets. Or is that just how science works or are we seeing a failure of some kind here is how science works. But so the failure isn't by the scientist failures by the policymakers who take a snapshot of what the scientists are saying and everyone moment and decide that that's the fundamental truth by which everything should be oriented around which everything should be oriented, and so I don't I don't blame the scientists I mean they're doing science they're they're learning more they're getting more information, there are adjusting their. Views that's what they should be doing. But with policymakers should be doing is saying all we need to do to solve this crisis is to listen to the science and obey the science because I guarantee you the science three months from now is going to be different than the sciences right now, and you know even even back when they were making these initial decisions, the scientists were not fixed. There wasn't wasn't that they were wrong it was they were all wrong in the same way I mean the. Differences, of opinion among scientific experts about whether, for example, lockdown made sense. So. Even back then to say what we needed to lockdown because the scientists say so and we to obey the science, it was kind of nonsense. Right, I mean my question for the beginning and this is. One reason I like your article so much is that when people say listen to the scientists which scientists first of all. As you say, they're not saying the same thing secondly, which fields because if by scientists including not only epidemiologists by the communists and not only those but you know philosophers and theologians and the end people who have to make value judgments and not only value judgments but prudential judgments if simone talks about this, this illusion of modernity that if we had complete information, we would. Be Able to make the best possible decision in any situation. But he argues that even if we had complete information, they're actually often no one best decision even if your values are right. So it even goes beyond making value judgements. Sometimes, you just have to make a decision so that society can be coordinated in an effective way and you just have to pick a direction. But you know, of course, we're not in a situation where we have all the information. Can you give a big picture of what their record of our policy has been? I mean, how have these lockdowns work to out? What what do we know about how effective they are, and whether that was the best way to go at this point it seems like new information is coming out every. New New information is coming out every day in fact. A thumbing through my this today's issue with wall. Street Journal. To find on page. It's like a fifteen. An article by Donald L Lufkin title failed experiment of Covid lockdowns and the just to to read one sentence from that. There's no escaping. There's no escaping the evidence that it minimum lockdowns were no more effective than light ones in that opening up a lot was no more harmful than opening up a little this is. This is true. You can see evidence of this studies that show this not just in states in the United States but in different countries around the world different strategies just didn't seem to make a whole lot of a whole lot of difference in terms of the disease I. Am I think the the moment when of firmly convinced that I, sort of suspected. That for awhile based on different evidence compiled. But in in May late May governor, Cuomo new. York announced that of the recent cases. I think sixty, six percent of them had been people who had been observing the stay at home order in another nineteen percent were were people who had been in locked down care facilities. Now, the lockdown care facilities of course were. Somewhat separate issue because the governor himself did things that made that much worse than it. Might have been but. Even, if you leave that out of the equation, two thirds of the cases were people who were observing a stay at home order, and so you know I, think the evidence people continue to to collect evidence still continue to analyze it. You know I don't know what the final result will be from all of that. But right now I think the evidence is pretty strong. The lockdown was not really a successful policy. Even if you take away the, you know all of the massive negative consequences from it if you just look at the public health result. One thing that we should also think about in this context is. Is the. Impact of this on the law. I mentioned in the health first heresy the Calvary Chapel case and the dispute between the. Minority and majority of the court. And you just mentioned these these CONAN actions taken by states in the South Pacific. What is the fallout? All of this going to be when it is examined legally this is an important question do these. Western democracies were making these CONAN. Taking these CONAN actions are they acting constitutionally unconstitutionally there's going to be a lot not just electoral fallout but and financial fallout but they're. They're huge huge issues at stake year legally which are which I don't think we've seen enough discussion of the medical questions, the economic questions, the political questions, religious questions but what the legal questions well, good question I think I'm not prepared to make too much of a guess on that for the for the reason that. Usually When there's a dramatic expansion of state power in some something deemed to be an emergency. One of two things happens in the actually sort of opposite things. Sometimes, it just becomes part of the norm. Becomes accepted and sets new farther boundaries on what the what the state can do sometimes provokes backlash which creates you know very short term effect. So the I mean you can see for example. Some of the emergency measures taken during the civil war in the United States some of the. Measures taken by woodrow. Wilson and World War One after those wars were over, there was a very quick snap. Reaction Against that sort of power that lasted for quite some time. So I I would say that that's the parent's one of those two things. The radically different results and I'm not sure yet which which it will be really depends on the judgment of. The United States, it depends on the judgment of Americans in. Australia new, Zealand is going to depend on the judgment of people who live there whether this was a necessary and useful thing that should be kept reserved for future incidents or whether it was a an abuse and a a mistake which should be pushed back. I don't know which of those will be at this point. I know which one I think it is, but I don't when most people will think out. In answer to Andrew's question as to what the citizens of these various states will do i. don't know of course what they will do, but I do know this if. If in dealing with the virus. With a very, very modest kill rate. They're prepared to have drones and lockdowns that are not even publicly announced and some of those other actions to which. You were alluding. than. When something? More serious confronts that society as inevitably will be the case. Presumably they will accept almost any level. Of Authoritarian State Control and that to me as an enormously bad sign. We started out talking about flattening the curve and now we in many places have gone to. We want there to be zero cases. Biden said that if he were elected and scientists told him to, he would completely shut down the economy the shut down the country until we had control of the virus, which is obviously beyond all reason. Were the only to go to the school of King Canute. He, this is absurd. Gets back to the the Utopian I, think Bob. Right right my thought on this though has been you know. Even for more serious virus in this one, just shutting down society for months on End Multiple Times or indefinitely is just not a tenable solution. I mean you just this is just not how we can live and it's not. It's not easy I as a friend of mine speaking in a very different context speaking about. When he was teaching acting classes and dealing with the theater conventions about safety, it's never safety I. It's the thing that you're trying to accomplish first and then safety is maybe second or third but safety is for the sake of being able to do the thing that you're supposed to be doing. So it's not as if we have to shutdown. Human life basically for long periods of time, it's it's not worth it going back to the the more philosophical aspects of your your article Andrew What's going on you? You said when the public official says, I have to do X. because my public health chief said, I must do that. You said there's a number of different things that could be going on there. All of which are dangerous. So can you talk a little bit? Sure. There were basically two things that could be going on there. one of which is that the public official has in fact, actually delegated a massive amount of power to an unelected and unaccountable expert. That's one possibility. The other, which is extremely problematic from from any sort of standard of consent of the governed were government accountability. The other possibility is that. because. There are experts that you can find to say pretty much anything. The public official has acquired the advice of. An expert who says what he wants to do anyway. And simply hides behind the expert to accomplish what he sort of planned to do. A here see, and that's that's dangerous as well in a different way. also accountability problem can have hidden in government by Mr Action in some ways, and so I have a real problem with that I. Think There's This is not new right I. Think our in our is perhaps it then opened more fully to how far this has gone now but this is this is a problem it's been around for a while. But I I it just seems like You know we're in a situation where we are in danger of being a Republican name only if we delegates to experts or claim to delegate to experts the decisions over these things that affect the lives and livelihoods and wellbeing the material and spiritual millions of people. Yet you said it is no exaggeration to say that government wielded either directly by unchecked experts or by politicians using experts for cover is simply inconsistent with both consent of the governed and the protection of fundamental rights. Yes. Yes. I mean I don't know I. Don't know what to add to that I that's. I think that that's true. I think that is just not compatible fundamental principles of our government. I just remembered a quote relevant Andreas piece from nome Chomsky who I've never really read but I came across a back and I really like it it's from a book from nineteen, Sixty, nine called American power and the new mandarins. He says quite generally what grounds are there for supposing that those whose claim to power is based on knowledge and technique will be more benign in their exercise of power than those whose claim is based on wealth or aristocratic origin on the contrary one might expect the new mandarin to be dangerously arrogant aggressive and incapable of adjusting to failure as compared with his predecessor who claim to power was not diminished by honesty as limitations of his knowledge lack of work to do or demonstrable mistakes. Don't often agree with him on. that. Are. Douglas that's that's that's my reactions. Well, that might be one of the few noam. Chomsky quotes that you could offer me that I I would endorse. Up. We've talked obviously, I mean, we've just referred to some of the alterior motives government officials here, but they're playing a dangerous game to because you would think that even government officials hurt themselves by hurting the economy at least at least in something that could have such long term effects. But are there other other motives I mean other than sort of? Kind of totalitarian ones that might be at play here for government officials I mean besides public health know legitimate public health motives and kind of the more obvious. Power seizing that we've just discussed what what's the calculation that you think is being made here. I think there are at least a couple of other things that play One of them is that the ideology of government by expert or the elevation of expertise has become a of religion for some people. and. I think that they sincerely believe they sincerely believe that it is the the advance guard of of progress in society to insist on this kind of devotion to expertise and so I think that the the they aren't just using it as calmer I think sometimes, they really do believe that frequently they really do believe that that they're obligated to to. Follow expert opinion. Though of course. More obligated to follow expert opinion that. Strengthens their position politically than than otherwise. The other thing that I think is is clearly going on I wouldn't underestimate. It is the fear of being held responsible if they don't do enough. And things go bad. It's IMP- Puerto Remember when this Thing, I started. There were wild estimates of how many people die you know in the United? States. Two or three million doubts were were forecast by some model models a another set of experts. Who came to the politicians and said, your three million people could die? At that point, I think that the very beginning of this, there were a non trivial number of policymakers who were just simply afraid of being both for humanitarian reasons an political reasons afraid of being caught on the wrong side of that, and you know the consequences of acting as they did were and continue to be enormous but I think they were driven to some extent by the fear of what the consequences would be of not doing it. So here's my position. I think that we can't wait for there to be a vaccine I think that we have to start engaging in civil disobedience and we have to do it now because. If this, all just ends because of the vaccine I mean, of course, there's there's some pretty serious moral and ethical issues. Involving The vaccine, which I'm not going to get into here. But if people want I look into that, actually are occasional writer former Virginia delegate Bob Marshall has written a very detailed study of all of the issues scientific and ethical and political and legal issues including legal precedent for fast tracking enforcing a vaccine at Catheter Dot Org, which I guess all linked to. In the show notes. But anyway, what I was getting at is if this just end with the vaccine in a few months or whenever I feel like the very bad lesson as being learned, which is that when this happens, we do whatever the state says and we shut everything down until the virus has gone because of a vaccine which everyone is expected to take. I think that's why it's important to to try to roll back the precedent that's already been set. Whatever degree we can in that means you know not acting like a bunch of idiots but but it does mean some some carefully about not to carefully calculated acts of civil disobedience and to be most effective those of course, need to be coordinated and. We need to do this not just for the sake of calling the state's bluff. But also for the sake of normalizing a noncompliance with this because you know as much as people get mad at someone who's and I'm not really even taking a position on the mask thing here but as much as people get mad at someone who's not wearing a mask. At a certain point if people are doing it and it's not, you know causing huge problems, then people will get used to it even if they find it annoying. So I think that. Even in small ways, we can try to kind of change the the paradigm here just by our own behavior man I hope we can get into maybe some specific manifestations of that. But what do you think would what do you guys think of that overall assessment of what we need to be doing? Well I agree that. A successful. As the eventuality that that sends us out of this kick her crisis. Would be very much mixed blessing. Of course we have had. Crises before caused by viruses both or less serious crises which have been resolved with a vaccine or which have resolved themselves naturally without a vaccine. and. there would be no doubt a lot of debate as to whether it was in fact, the vaccine that resolved it but but if if these revelations that we've been exposed to were simply to be shelved and not dealt with. Because we were relaxed now we had a vaccine that actually worked and perhaps It didn't prove as contentious ethically or politically or legally as it might well do. So we all breathe a sigh of relief and just get on with things and don't deal with what we've discovered. This this would be very would be very unfortunate and dangerous. So drawing lines the church drawing lines for the state, not just the state for the church. Drying lines a citizens against an arguably unconstitutional and overweening authority of the state a different of course in different states with different constitutions and different exercises of that authority. But we've seen enough examples of overweening and draconian act. Drawing drawing these lines I think now is very, very crucial and I think as you do that did cooperative action in in the near future in the immediate future and. Is. These are actually very important. Especially, with regard to advocation and simply going to work I, mean we can debate about you know social recreational activities or whatever I don't think we should be overly cautious there either. But especially with regard to educating your children and things like that I think. Very important. What do you think Andrew? I agree I think I think I would start with church and I would say you know as you said work not stride I. Think. I, think actually at least in California, there was a kind of sense that that people were building toward that before the relaxation in the early summer. And then there was the realization in the early summer which convinced people that things were on the right track convince were. Concerns were being listened to finally and then. The down was reestablished. It seemed like the steam kind of went out the the sentiment to really resist this push back but I think it's it's starting to build again. Harley. Because of just the completely hypocritical way that that our political overlords have have dealt with it's just I don't know if you sods yesterday or the day before Nancy Pelosi out to have gone to a a hairstylist or something like this when in fact, government has banned them from operating and was shattered hairstylist who wasn't even allowed otherwise to go to work yes. Exactly and things like that or you see people after Fossey and others. Caught in moments where they're they're not wearing their mask. Hit as. Badger everybody else do always wear them. I think that that level of popper REC- is is really starting to grate on people and I, think that it is I think the sentiment for. For noncompliance is growing again. But I think it does have to be coordinated to some extent with businesses in schools and stuff like that because I do believe that you know if we call the bluff. I don't think the consequences may maybe you have to be willing to to be fined or? To refuse to pay a fine and maybe you spent a weekend in jail or something but I don't think the consequences will be that bad if enough people get involved I. Think I think ultimately the state will have to back down and We've already discussed much of the cost of continuing to obey lockdowns socially and spiritually and politically, but you could also mention just as an aside you know the fact that had all this civil unrest and rioting and that it's been as bad as it has been I, I'm certain is due in large part to the the lockdown, and of course, the fact that there's an election coming up I don't think that it would have been so severe and ongoing and long lived as it has been, they say idle hands are the devil's playthings or whatever variation of that expression you prefer, and this is a great example of that. I think it's contributed what about individuals? I mean let's say you don't own a business. What are things that kind of isolated individuals can do in terms of civil disobedience are kind of trying to shift the. The Standard Somewhat That's difficult question. It's already difficult for businesses and schools, and that sort of organization because because for them to act they, they need a consensus at the board level and in the administration of the. Question, which is extremely difficult to get. So I don't think we should put too much hope in. The corporate level response in the business world and so forth. There's some hope there. But but I think comes to volunteer organizations. And to into private schools and so forth, many many of the people who run these would be terribly afraid of putting them. Themselves that is their institution and possibly themselves personally in the way of legal action. That's very, very expensive and there's no guarantee of success and so forth. So I think there's actually more hope in. Common person saying enough is enough I, think many people recognize the hypocrisy in all of this there many things that we do that have higher health risks that being exposed to the corona virus. And most of them are legal. I think people see the hypocrisy, but they don't really know what to do because. Because if they can't say that the employer will look I'm coming to work any way some people can do that but most people can't. They're breaking the law by taking a walk or whatever it is. Most of them say, well, you know, I don't want to add to my troubles by going to jail or paying fine. The sort of collective action that we could I think look for is probably going to come chiefly from from the churches. The main line that will have to be contested the religion. Let's call it technocracy to use an old. Expression and the control of the experts versus the the religion of of gratitude to end of and fearing God rather than man fearing God rather than a virus. This is I. Think we're the main contest is I don't see any reason why the churches shouldn't take a leading role in. That makes a lot of sense I mean the only thing I can think of that I could do you know living near here in New York City where. I don't see much hope for you know my favorite jazz club just deciding to reopen. On its own I can see making a point of not being ridiculously overcautious when it comes to wearing a mask or things like that. Obviously, we do still have a virus whether it's still a pandemic is debatable but we do still have this virus and we should be protecting the people who are especially vulnerable for both of you. How do we calculate what are still appropriate precautions to take versus what are appropriate measures of civil disobedience in terms of like taking into account that? This thing still exists. That's a good question. I, think I guess for me I don't like the masks. I, you know I'm willing to to go along with that because I think the cost is quite low the. Intrusion the intrusiveness of it is quite allowed relative to some other things, and if there's a possibility that it's a benefit in slowing the spread of this, I'm I'm not gonNA complain about them publicly complained to my wife is really don't like as things very much anybody does but that's something I can see being a legitimate precaution that should be adhered to especially since many people rightly or wrongly really feel you know quite endangered if if. If you see them and align without without it. The other thing is I think the the distancing rules of you know when you're at the store staying six feet back from the next person in line those sorts of things it's hard to say how much good they do they probably do some good. They don't really do any harm I I can. Calculate. They don't impinge on conscience in any way they don't impinge on anyone's livelihood. Really. Said those sorts of measures I think are reasonable precautions and I think it makes sense given the demographic of who is really the most series risk from this to have. Much stricter rules. Around nursing homes and assisted living facilities and so on. Though I I will say I think tab when people are gravely ill for the hospital not to allow their family to come visit them is horrendous and that that needs to stop. that should have never been the case by you know I think to have a kind of more general lockdown of those sorts of celebrities perhaps not to the extreme that has been done. But at least you know substantially make sense because those those folks are the ones who are most likely to die from from this by that those would be some that I would identify as in my view things precautions. Reasonably sensible or at least. Relatively, free of harm in some cases might do good. Any thoughts on that Douglas Well I've never been a against reasonable. Precautions. I. Am North all in what the authorities have been saying is reasonable. and. As many people have pointed out it's difficult to have confidence in them. KNAUSS only when as results come out, we realized that exactly. The problem. that the proposed solutions has andrews saying earlier do not seem in fact to have made much difference when applied. And as everyone has noticed, the precautions are only applied very selectively so that it's fine to. To take part in. Protests but not fine to go and honor your Creator. So. It's difficult to to leave it simply to the prudential judgment of individuals because your actions do have consequences for other people, we don't allow people to. To use the streets with their vehicles in any way they think. All right. You know we do have laws and they are they are applied and enforced to to some extent and you need public health regulations that are applied and enforced to some extent. But when those regulations are permitted to. Fear. With the most essential things of human life you know if we were to say, well, look you know this percentage of people get seriously ill and this percentage of people die because of certain sexual activities. So we will ban all sexual activities. With that. This kind of inconsistency puts the lie to to what has been been done and I think that that we shouldn't be just focused on what's the best prudential judgment for dealing that we can make in dealing with this particular threat we should be more focused we should attend to a we should be more focused on the big issues and what is happening to to our. Freedom as we live instead in fear. So to me right now, it is more important to resist that regime of fear. Than it with would that we had done that from the outset. But more important even more important to resist the regime of fear than to make the best possible prudential judgment as to as to will minimize the effects of the virus back in sixty nine when we had major buyer's the Hong Kong flu didn't do anything and. The right answer, but it was a lot better than living in fear. Thank you so much Andrew and Douglas for being so generous with your time even more than more time than I indicated. We would take I really enjoyed speaking with you and I. Hope this does some people some good i. know you know we didn't get that specific about what people should be doing in response but I I hope it encourages people to be creative and to talk to members of their community and start getting serious about pushing back on this because it's it's just not going to be something that is. Resolved as a matter of course, the churches gave a great deal of leadership in the in the civil rights movement and they need to give that kind of leadership. Again, it needs to cross boundaries it needs to be organized. You're saying some of this earlier. I agree with you it is incumbent upon the leadership of the religious communities to show leadership into their communities to show leadership in society at large in confronting what I think are very, very serious revelations about the dysfunctionality of our governments and the and at the same time they're. Arrogance in dominating, trying to dominate our lives and dominating our lives as they have been. Amended that well, thank you very much. It's been a pleasure.

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Matt Peterson

The Michael Berry Show

11:16 min | 8 months ago

Matt Peterson

"So there are a couple of places that i found increasingly over the last year that we find our best guests. Places isn't doing really really good. Were you probably know about hillsdale. Because they've partnered with conservative talk and they're doing a lot of good work especially educating people that are getting a little outside college age and wanting to think about the constitution what it means and you know that we do a e. I are the other day we had Teri macdonald from the f. e. e. there several of these organizations that are doing great work putting out good content as almost kind of a continuing education for good civics and one of them that keeps coming up. Is the claremont institute. Our guest is matt peterson. Vp of education at the claremont institute founding editor of the american. Mind matt if you would and you may have done this last time. You were here for people who don't know what the claremont institute is a keeps coming up as a source of good articles in good. Guess what is it. Well thank you for saying that. We are a forty year old think tank. That has a little different than others because it was never really involved in policy. It was always about promoting the principles of the american founding in contemporary life. So from the very beginning some of the best scholars on the american founding associated with the claremont institute You know a lotta. Your listeners will know About the progressives and the progressive movement. That was something that really didn't talk about until there was real scholarship about the history of america what had happened so defining kind of the ideas of the american right with something that the claremont institute is was was part of from the very beginning. In fact larry arnn. Hillsdale was president of the claremont institute at one point He's also a A claremont graduate student. Like many of us are Who studied political philosophy in american government. Program it doesn't exist anymore but it used to exist and was one of the few in the country that actually Actually did that. i think well And right but what we do now. Is we publish. We teach and relitigate so we publish the claremont review of books and the american mind Which i started two years ago. and we We litigated cases. In the supreme court. john eastman Has been at that for a while and we also teach so we bring together networks of the best young professionals and young leaders in the country and our fellowship programs and we bring scholars from all over the country people in politics from all over the country together to teach and that we're together and move things in the direction that we think we need to go. Would you ever believe that you could make a living doing something so fun. It's it's unbelievable. I- i- i remind myself Frequently is at its. It's almost ridiculous to get to get paid. I've done a lot of other things in my life and to be doing this is I a great challenge. Actually because the task before us is very serious but it is It is an amazing privilege to be paid to matt. Peterson is our guest. The article that caught our attention appears in the aforementioned of the american mind. A house dividing question bringing what is said in private into the open. What what is the reason you wrote this well for a long time. Now i've noticed As i'm sure Many many of you have I've noticed that there's there's to track conversation going on in america and You know usually when people talk about this. They'll say well it's deplorable people on the other half the other half of the country and you know they might talk about this but we wouldn't you know good good. Elite people wouldn't talk about this. What is this. It's how divided the country is in public. We we talk about division and You know all the rancor and we fight and all that but then private people talk about what's to be done about it. How bad is it really. And what will it lead to. And what i noticed it was that many working professionals on the right people who were very smart you know very well paid living in Different sectors of the american economy and tech and finance in big blue cities. I in fancy america. We're having very dark thoughts about where things are going and they this. This happens repeatedly amount. Meet someone and finance and say well. I don't know. I'm a little skeptical. The over financial ization of the economy. And i think you know it just seems like this could blow up in some way but you know what do i know. I am right about that. And they'll just look at me and say oh. Yeah i talk about that all the time. It could all blow up. You know you start to hear these kind of sentiments from people who are very accomplished to know things. Because they're doing things they're not you know these. These aren't pontificators. Writing and in the papers of people who are out there. And i think there's a lot of savvy folks who are thinking. This country is deeply divided and it's not headed in the right direction and at the More let's say normal local level You find a lot of people out in the country for whom right now saying. Oh yeah. there's probably going to be a civil war is a nonchalant statement. They'll just say that loud at the bar and you know may have been a joke ten years ago but now it's it's maybe not a joke and this is you know i know people thinking about leaving the country on the right. I mean so so this. Is this a serious discussion. And i think we publish this above all i because i don't like the idea of talking about something in private about how well this is really serious. What's going to happen. The country will a break up and then having a public conversation. That's kinda pretending. Everything's a little better than it is outside the political structure more sort of cultural and obviously on a base level financial. What's happening with the game. Stock game stop and amc and bed. Bath and beyond melvin capital. All that i see a lot of trends. I see a very aggressive lurch toward a strong populism that for years we saw on the left. And now we're seeing on the right and it's very interesting times where there is sort of an anti establishment since among everyone and there is this idea. It's very french revolution. In many ways that there is this idea that people have been repression. I think the worst thing you can do this is what the line of of the title bringing what said private into the open. You know i. I feel that this desire to suppress and sensor speech and thought and commentary on the basis that it is nazi or fascist or white supremacist. I think it ends very badly. I think it is very very badly because people who can't get their voice out they find other ways and those aren't always as harmless posting on social media pages. Absolutely i mean absolutely and and this is. This is the problem right now. The entire dynamic in the country is you know we won. we Kind of the the responsible people who are in charge one and everything's fine and everything's going to go back to normal and trump was really the problem right and we are just gonna make sure that everything goes back to normal and we're going to force you to acknowledge that everything is going back to normal dammit and here. They are in a You know in a militarized capital with no citizens an inauguration and you know. I was sitting there watching that and it very much related to these articles published the separation because i thought to myself the imagery here forget about where you think about the politicians. Just the imagery is. This is one political class alone. Surrounded by soldiers celebrating the triumph of democracy on inauguration day and the image you have is. You're not there. It's you against them and this is very dangerous for any regime. Once you this is in fact why. The left promotes all the stuff. This is why they need to divide everyone by race because the terrifying ideas that if really the many i mean all all the people the majority of people ganged up against the rich right. I mean that's a. That's a tough dynamic. In in many societies without a middle class that leads to radical instability. And so so here. We are with You know this this problem. And and they're they're making it worse by almost saying no. We are elite class. And we will tell you what to say and do and the more they do that the more the rest of america is is also going to double down and i think the great lie was that you know we get rid of trump and everything would be fine. I think the opposite is the case without trump. you're going to see a rising populism that you know we'll be dangerous itself because people just don't care they see. Look it's all phony. The the laws don't make sense. Country doesn't make sense and this is serious and i really think we we are public discussion of it needs to become more serious because it's not alarmism to say we are entering some very dangerous territory and that is why we publish this because we had a thoughtful piece from a very accomplished Person who You know went to fancy schools and has fancy jobs. it was very successful in life Military as well patriot. Writing a piece. That said i think the only way to save america the author who went by the name rebecca which is I guess abraham lincoln's only student him that he used throughout his life. Now the author says we need to separate america in order to save it that we should We should change the constitution such that. We still have one military and one overarching government. But we kinda let two groups of states govern themselves as they want and then hopefully we could come back. Together is his argument. And it's the it's the only way to save the situation because he says we're actually two countries already. We have fundamental disagreement so he sort of says separation But not total divorce with the hope of the couple of coming back together. And i thought that was an interesting thoughtful argument I think there's some problems with it but But it was very interesting and so we published it along with some others. Matt peterson. you are an interesting and thoughtful guest. I only wish we had more time to talk. Come back anytime. He's the vice president of education at the claremont institute. Which as you heard is doing great work. Founding editor of the american mind and the piece that we talked about is posted to our blog. Michael berry show dot com. Thank you sir thank you.

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Ep. 765 - Debate Shows Dems Without Faith in Americans

The Andrew Klavan Show

47:24 min | 2 years ago

Ep. 765 - Debate Shows Dems Without Faith in Americans

"The New York Times a former newspaper has set a new record for the most shameless distortion of the truth ever packed into a single journalistic sentence in commemorating the attack on the United States. It's on nine eleven at times tweeted out a sentence from their new story saying quote eighteen years have passed since airplanes took aim and brought down the World Trade Center senator the time story had an immediate effect assistant head of Homeland Security Richard Tracy announced the department would change its policy saying quote up until now we were investigating any young men who are named Mohammed more than three times and who blamed their crap whole countries on everyone but themselves and who therefore go around randomly murdering people have nothing to do with anything but but now that we realize it's the actual airplanes targeted the buildings were centering or investigations on suspicious flying machines especially if they have those weird grins painted it on the nose cones. I just find those really creepy all this time we thought we were dealing with medieval religious philosophy that it's threatened the existence of the West for over a thousand years at kept entire regions of the earth and theocratic religious oppression and poverty but now we finally realize it's the plains thanks New York Times and please renew my subscription unquote. The Times took the tweet down after being ridiculed line buffoons but woke reporters at the X. newspaper celebrated the new distortion record and say they soon expect to win the Pulitzer Pulitzer Pulitzer Prize for biggest line buffoons in a meeting held in the middle of the street times editor in charge of Charles. Woke told the gathering of homeless people quote by using nonsense nonsense terms like Islamaphobia racial profiling and toxic masculinity we on the left managed to pack more dishonesty into fewer words than anyone outside the novel Nineteen Eighty-four Eighty four but we have now outdone ourselves in Mr Woke left the thought on finish when my car aimed itself out and random over don't blame me trigger warning the Andrew Klavan and this is the Andrew Klavan show renew greenall topsy so wonderful SOC- all right we are here and broadcasting from New York City. The Democrat debate was last night and I wanNA start off with a moment that made a lot of News Andrew Yang announced announced his guaranteed income sweepstakes with Pete Brundige comment coming on at the end in America today everything revolves around the Almighty dollar color our schools our hospitals our media even our government. It's why we don't trust institutions anymore. We have to get our country working for us again. Instead the other way around we have to see ourselves as the owners and shareholders of this democracy rather than inputs into a giant machine when you donate money ready to a presidential campaign what happens the politicians spends the money on TV ads and consultants and you hope it works out is time to trust ourselves more than our politicians and that's why I'm willing to do something unprecedented tonight. My campaign will now give a freedom dividend of one thousand dollars a month for an entire year to ten in American families someone watching at home right now. If you believe that you can solve your own problems better than any politician go to Yang Twenty and twenty dot com and tell us how one thousand it's not a month. We'll help you do just that original. I'll give you that. That was the judge at the end. It's original. I'll give you that they play it right at the top because I found it both funny and sad in so many revealing ways. This isn't personal as a person. I actually think Yang is the Democrat who comes across as the most likeable although Marianne Williamson also seemed kind of sweet and reminds me of a lot of lovable liberal ladies I've known in my life but Yang's proposal points to everything that's wrong with our politics takes a hit on the fine conservative principle that people can spend their money better than the government can spend their money but he no longer has faith that those people can make that money better than the government you can take from someone else and get to them as he looks into the future and thinks about automation he fears that working people will become obsolete. He's lost faith in ordinary Americans to find being their way in new situations now. Some of the other Democrats laughed as you heard his proposal. But what are they offering. They're offering the same thing but worse they not only. I want to give you money. They WANNA spend the money they give themselves on health care on college or whatever else is going to be free under the Democrats. Everything will be free except except for you if you don't believe in people you can't trust them to do for themselves. You can't love freedom if you don't love the common man and they don't we own the right always attacked attack the left for losing faith in God but also not coincidentally lost faith in people especially regular people they've lost faith in the power of ordinary Americans to make their way and live their lives and grow the country from the ground up as they always have now by ordinary Americans. I mean to quote the movie. It's a wonderful life. The people who do most of the working pain and living and dying in this country all colors all religions both sexes we the people I think a lot of leaders on both left to right of lost faith in them and think the government has has to do for them. What if they want to be free people they have to do for themselves. This country is operating at historic deficits so if the Democrats are right and income come inequality is growing worse. Isn't that tell you something. It tells me that we don't have a people problem. We have a government problem. They've got to stop taking our money. They've got to stop spending our money. Stop Helping US enforce the law. The border would be a good place to start. Keep the peace and shut up and leave us alone. That's the solution into most of the problems facing today. Less of these clowns lesser their five-year thirty point plans to give stuff less them more us the day anyone from either party gets up on stage and promises me that he'll have my vote but I'm not holding my breath all right. Let us begin by talking about we'll get to the debate. Vatan the rest of the debate in just a second. Let me talk about vistaprint. I finally got my cards just in time for my trip to New York. 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Oh prisoners book is selling a lot if you watch bill burs new special on Netflix EXCI- you'll see why that wouldn't be a good idea but I'm still concerned about it but anyway I I think Biden and Warren both came out of it looking good by not doing anything essentially Biden funnels around and he makes all kinds of stakes and he sounds ridiculous at times but he doesn't make any big errors in the place where he was attacked. He was actually often in the right and Warren makes these big idealistic sweeping pronouncements and never answers any real questions how you gonNA pay for it. Doesn't it people style constant. It never answers any of those questions and that's I think that's working well for you know she's kind of typical of a candidate. Who's WHO's in the lead. Don't take any chances. Don't step out. It's the guys who were down on the bottom. who have to make the big have the big moment that brings them into the foreground but you know debates are not the only way that people see people and especially these debates with their ten people in line. I think that you know with so many people on stage. It's really hard for anybody to make an impression. I think it's kind of ridiculous. I've picked worn for a long time. Trump has indicated that he thinks that's the way it's going. That Biden is falling behind. I could be wrong but I saw nothing to debate to change my mind that it was going to be Elizabeth Warren at the end. I let me give you some of my favorite moments. Beta award for one thing he is toast. He's done this. Is that was the end. This debate was the end of him. I hate the phrase. Beta male this Alpha male about apes. It's not about human beings but he just walks right with that name right. He walks right into it. He's so desperate for attention. He's gotten more and more ludicrous if he doesn't stop flinging his hands around somebody's nobody's GonNa come down. I mean at least Yang is offering to give me something but Beta was going to take something away. GonNa take away our guns so this is what I think was his last raw. Are you proposing taking away their guns and how would this work. I am if it's a weapon that was designed to kill people on a battlefield the the high impact high-velocity round when it hits your body shreds everything inside of your body because it was designed to do that so that she would bleed to death on a battlefield and not be able to get up and kill one of our soldiers when we see that being used against children and no DESA. I met the mother of a fifteen year old girl who was shot by an Ar fifteen and that mother watched her bleed to death over the course of an hour because so many other people were shot by that Ar fifteen in Odessa and midland there weren't enough ambulances to get to them in time hell yes we're. GonNa take your Ar fifteen or AK forty. Seven it so here's what I think that's the end of battle roar first of all it's absurd. We do have a constitution institution. The constitution is the law. We do have courts enforce. The law of these guys are really talking about here any you're not taking away. Anybody's guns just because you decide that you're going to do that. we do have the right to bear arms the right to defend ourselves and the that was given to us was protected for us was given to us by God but it was protected for us by the constitution so that we could remain remain a revolutionary country a country that can fight back if the government gets out of hand. That's why people have military style weapons. Most of the people of military style weapons have them for that purpose because they want to be able to to protect themselves in the event in a horrible event the hopefully unforeseeable unbelievable event that our country becomes comes that oppressive and that bad they want to remain free people and that's what is for the would start a civil war basically to go around ducting trying to take people's has guns hundred million people in this country own guns. I and I don't think the police are going to be any too happy about students storming their houses trying to take their weapons away and once they won't be America anymore and that'll be the end of that so anyway. That's not gonNA happen but here's the thing right. A lot of people have said that NATO is running for Senate and he just doesn't know if he ran for Senate. I assume Leumi would run for Senate in Texas as he did before when he was running for a Senate in Texas he had seen much different song because in Texas. Everyone's strapped opt. Everyone has a gun right and they love their guns. People should love their guns and take care of their guns and be careful with and here's what he said in a radio interview with Chad hasty when when he was running for Senator in Texas they are fifteen listeners fifteen. Why should they have to be clear. They should have them. If you purchase career. If you own it keep it continue to use it responsibly so what you have there is a Beta male basically saying whatever he thinks acce- needs to say and now he you heard the audience cheering for destroying the Second Amendment you know so he that's now he's saying that and that just makes him look absurd. It makes him look insincere ear because he is insincere it makes them look desperate because he is desperate and also means when he goes back to Texas to run for Senate. Good luck to you pal. I don't think so maybe he's GONNA run. Maybe he's going to declare his resident of Connecticut or something like that but I I don't know where he goes from here. I think he really got it need a gun to shoot himself in the foot but I think that that's what he did. The thing that is really disturbing that was really really distributed. Kamala Harris Y also think is fading from the scene and the reason she won. I really feared at the beginning because she's got a good resume. She's smart she sharp but she just is sinister an instant CR and every time she opens her mouth. I think that a chill up my spine line but this was the moment this was the moment that to me kind of encapsulated the Democrats but she said the quiet part out loud in recent days former vice as President Biden has said about executive orders. Some really talented people are seeking the nomination. They said I'm going to issue an executive order by saying no constitutional authority to issue that executive order when they say I'm going to eliminate assault weapons saying you can't do it by executive order. Any more than trump can do things when he says he can do it by executive order. Does the vice likes president have a point there some things you can many things you can't. Let's let the senator answer. I would just say hey joe. It said it saying we we can't let's say yes we can to shoot can't believable notable more for buying going. Don't we have a constitution. We have a constitution so be out. She's just going to let she is the most sinister person then I mean it. Really it really is a sinister moment but she did. She was saying what they all WanNa. Do they all want to get rid of the Electoral College. They all WanNa get stock the Supreme Court so they can get the AH. The constitution interpreted out of existence. They all want to do what she just said. It out loud but that's what makes her I think viable can't that I think she's finished to after this. Julian Castro made his desperate bid to get attention and he stepped into stepped on a landmine to he went after Joe Biden and it sounded like he was picking on him for his age but the difference between what I support and what you support Vice President Biden is that you require them to opt in and I would not require them to opt in. They would automatically be the enrolled they wouldn't have to buy in. That's a big difference because Barack Obama's vision was not to leave ten million people uncovered he wanted every single person in this country covered my plan would do that. 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May just looks easy when I do it so this was roundly attacked this what's his name. Casper going after after Biden was roundly attacked. The press went after everybody was evil. It was mean it was a low blow and you know it kind of was. It's it's unfair unkind on the other hand. Biden brings it on himself. I mean last time he was on. CNN His eyeball exploded. This time is teeth almost fell out he bottles. It sounds like going after trump for being trump is so vital awake Reagan they would go after them for being old but he was clearly on point. I mean by makes a lot of mistakes and there was this one one moment that was absolutely hilarious. they asked him. They're asking them about schooling and he said one of the things about schooling. This is a fair point although what he was saying was ridiculous is but one of the things about schooling is the teachers like cops get blamed for all the things that come to the people in their homes have problems in their homes and pork is problems especially they don't hear as many words they don't get as well taken care of as middle class and upper class kids and so they come to school with deficits starting out so so he said they've got a train parents on what to do at home and he was it was a solution. It's not that don't WANNA help. They don't want they don't know quite what to do. Play the radio. Make sure the television. These cues me. Make sure you have the record player on the phone. Make sure the kids here words a kid coming from a very poor school. All are very poor background. We'll hear four million words fewer spoken by the time they get there. I'm going to go the rest of them. Do twice over again got to believe that radio let Abbott and Costello never funny but Neil crank up the crank up. The Rigor Blair listened a little being years. I'd love the way that means. You're talking about listen to the radio. I'm sorry I thought I thought you know he does. He brings it on himself. He brings it on anyway. I share a couple more points just a couple more points. I move on because there's another important story. I WanNa talk about Kamala Harris it well. Here's something it really doesn't matter. Kamala Harris went after trump about China so here's that we have to hold China accountable. They steal our products including our intellectual property. They upped upped sub-standard products into our economy. They need to be held accountable. We also need to partner with China on climate and the crisis that that presents we need to partner with China on the issue of North Korea. I am on and I think the only person on the stage the Senate Intelligence Committee in the Senate Homeland Security Committee. We need a partner on the the issue of North Korea but the bottom line is is Donald Trump in office on trade policy. You know he reminds me that that guy in the wizard of Oz you know when you pull back the curtain. It's a really small dude. Dorothy did get back to Kansas. I'd like the reminder but but secondly what was interesting here to two things one was as everybody says they've gotten the memo Barack Obama last time they attacked Barack Obama good enough now. Barack Obama was the most wonderful thing ever her and this and suddenly nothing he did was wrong and they just they just WanNa make it a little better on tune it up a little bit. It was never mind the wars in the Middle East. Never mind the bad economy. The slow slow slow recovery now. He's the best that that was one thing but the other thing of course is going after trump is is the thing although although they didn't talk about the the economy and I would like to point out that would Kamala Harris saying is basically she would do a trump is doing and what nobody has done before she would do. Trump is doing but no-one. No one had the guts to do it so come on out again. I'll end with the warning because I think she's the one who did the best and this is why she does. The best Stephanopoulos fullest comes after her with a big question issue going to raise middle class taxes and of course the answer is yes always always socialism eliminates the middle class income. It's just the poor and the people elect who have power and therefore have money. That's what it always does but listen to dodger the question direct question you said middle class families are GONNA pay less but but we'll middle-class taxes go up to pay for the program. I know you believe that the deductibles and the premiums will go down. We'll middleclass taxes go up. We'll private insurance be eliminated. Families have to deal with is cost total cost. That's what they have to deal with. An understand. Families are paying for their healthcare. Today families pay every time an insurance company says sorry. You can't see that specialist every time. An Insurance Company says sorry. That doctor is out of network. Sorry we are not not covering that prescription. Families are paying every time. They don't get a prescription filled because they can't pay for it. They don't have a lump checked out because they can't afford the Co.. Pay What we're talking about. Here is what's going to happen. In family's pockets what's going to happen in their budgets and the the answer is on. Medicare for all costs are going to go up for wealthier. Individuals and costs are going to go up for giant corporations. This brings me back to where I started right because whenever they talk about costs they always talk about this great big globe of money. It's all this money and it's going going to cost less overall. You May die because the government doesn't think you're worth keeping alive anymore but oh that big ball of money is all going to be so much better than than it was before instead of thinking the way the country was supposed to be in instead of thinking small start with individuals move to towns county state's then then the last person who has any power over you and it has should have the least power of you is the federal government and that is all change as a lot of people feared it would but his changed much worse than they could imagine because of TV basically because we're all linked together. The world is so global that we no longer think of ourselves as neighbors as communities as towns states. We think immediately that the president is the guy we should be looking for looking to and when she talks like that she all of them an too many on our side to have given up on the idea that the individual is the way things should work that the individual and his local association his local Church should take care of people who think big all the time. We're thinking globally with not thinking a locally anymore and that's the thing if you don't think locally you can't it'd be free. You can't be free if the government with the most power over you is the government that's furthest away from you. That doesn't make any sense. It should be a guy you should be able to knock on a guy's is house and say hey. You know what that thing. You did at the town hall meeting. I didn't like that very much. I'll tell you why because you're kidding Mike and so on and be able to make those arguments but they're always thinking in these big big waist one so anyway. I thought she does the best because she says the most difficult to. She's the slippery issues the hardest to pin down and they don't know one of course they've got George Stephanopoulos apples. They're Clinton Hack. George Stephanopoulos didn't ask a couple of hard questions this time but still still they're never going to get the tough questions like about the the FBI malfeasance going after trump or about the fact that none of them has ever done any of the things that trump has gotten gotten done speaking of this though I do have to cover this one story because I think it's important federal prosecutors from USA. Today recommended seeking criminal charges against Andrew McCabe the former deputy director of the FBI and a frequent target of criticism by president trump McCabe was fired from the FBI just before his retirement after the Justice Department's internal watchdog concluded the improperly authorized a leak about at a federal investigation into the Clinton Foundation in the final weeks of the two thousand sixteen presidential campaign he lied about he investigators concluded that he displayed a lack of candor when asked about the League so now. It looks like he could actually get prosecuted. I'm always saying these guys are never going to get prosecuted. It looks like McCabe May get prosecuted. Remember this two reports back and not the last report that came out with that. This is the one before that and they're still an eye big. The big I g report covers the whole investigations supposedly coming forward other investigations into what happened. This is a big story because it means it means that this is a Justice Department that if it remains the trump justice department is willing to move forward on some of these prosecutions and it's also telling about. I don't know if I covered this. I'm not sure I've covered the spy story that went around a few days ago. Jim Skewed on. CNN blew the story. the the idea was that we had this very top notch super spy in the Russian organization so top so top flight he it worked with so far up that he was actually meeting with Putin and he was giving us all this information and he had to be pulled out for his safety. That's the story that came from sources Jim Scuitto. Oh that stupidly put forward the idea that somehow this story been going on for a long time according to these sources it put out the idea that somehow this was trump's fault that trump they were afraid that trump would misuse a he had one source who told him that trump would misuse classified information so they had to pull the source because he was in danger the CIA and virtually virtually every other media outlet said no in fact it was more likely that it would be the media who would blow the skies cover so but Kim Strassel at the Wall Street Journal has been uncovering this very carefully. She points out that just before some big reveal on Obama Gate comes out. There's a leak in the league is meant to to give cover to the FBI and the intelligence community who invested trump in order to get him out of office basically who came up with this whole Russia collusion fantasy that we had to live with for two and a half years and Strassler saying these leaks come out from sources and the dutifully left wing press goes out and writes these stories that make the FBI look better because if we have super spy in place who was talking to Putin well. Maybe it wasn't just the steele dossier that they use to get this fiso warrant. Maybe they knew more and this whole thing stinks and so it may mean that the I G report coming up is GONNA look really really bad for the Obama Administration. I certainly hope so. I think they have earned it all right. We we have got an interview now. I've told you about this piece. In the Claremont Review of books Christopher Caldwell Caldwell journalist he's written everywhere. He's written the Post New York Times Wall Street Journal he was a senior editor at the weekly Standard and he will to spectacular piece on Brexit and the meaning of Brexit and why it's so hard to to go forward with it I asked him to come on. He was gracious enough to come onto an excellent interview explaining some of the things we're seeing in Britain right now. Here's Christopher Caldwell Christopher Nicole. Thank you so much for coming on. I appreciate delighted your piece. In the Claremont. Review of books was one of the best piece I was the best piece on Brexit. I've read I think it was it just so insightful and insightful an explanatory explain to people what what's not to like about being in the EU for Great Britain. Well it it's pretty much a bedrock thing. It's a it's a matter of who of being ruled by people like you. I think it's the same it's the same problem that the any sort of province has within a larger empire Britain joined the European Economic Community in nineteen seventy three at a time when it was really a set of regulatory and trade arrangements and voted on it voted to go in and its first-ever referendum but in Nineteen ninety-two after the master treaty the the European Union became a totally different thing and Britain's do not feel that they ever consented to this more and more ambitious political project of Europe and they demanded a referendum to decide whether they belong in Europe or not parliament granted one and in two thousand sixteen devoted to leave the European Union but now parliament is obstructing opting the carrying out of the referendum that it that that it Ok'd and so it's become very contentious all all you hear at even in the American news but certainly in the British news at least through the BBC is a kind of panic that if they leave The you all trade deals will collapse English friends of mine said to me. We won't even be able to fly a plane into early airport and land there. is any of that realistic realistic. I think it's realistic to be worried about it but the fact is that people were worried about it. has have been worried about it for the last couple of years and what we're talking about is what we're talking about is some short-term inconveniences. It could be larger inconveniences so the the normal ones are a backup of trucks at the dover-calais tunnel entrance that would last for about three hours on the more serious level a short-term cutoff of medicines certain important medicines is which could be dangerous for certain people but all in all we're talking about an event that is much less grave than say our own. I don't know if any of yours yours remembered the two K. buff right but you know it's it's that type of thing. It's not a very serious thing. It's a useful rhetorical strategy. I think what one of the things you talk about in this piece in the Claremont Review that I haven't seen. I don't think I've seen anyone else talk about is the way that joining the EU not not just not only transferring power from parliament to Brussels but also transfer power from democratic institutions to legal institutions institutions to judge judges basically. Can you explain how that works right well. Britain has a slightly different of course our constitutional. Oh system arises from Britain's but it's I in we had its idea of freedom but they administer it in a very different way and one thing that's very different about British democracy and American democracy. Is this absoluteness of parliamentary sovereignty. I mean we I mean Walter Walter Padgett mode about this in the nineteenth century out the American ideal a balance you know it's like executive legislative and judiciary branches which is the British idea is kind of streamlined power that works to parliament and their executive and judiciary. Gary have traditionally worked through parliament to now when you join the European Union. The European Union was a lot of people describe it as a a treaty like well we can join NATO. Why can't we joined the European Union. It's very different. It's not a treaty. It's a merger so there are some obvious ways ways in which this really harms Britain's sovereignty and makes a country that is much less in control of its own destiny for one thing when you join the European Union he must grant the European Union's laws the laws decided in Brussels. Take precedence over your own now. If that is true then Britain is really no longer a monarchy because the queen is a subordinate subordinate. You're you're not a monarch right. That's the obvious way in which Britain is taken down a pig but it also created some constitutional changes is that are more look more qualitative that are that are that are more qualitative but utterly alter the British way of governing themselves and that is what's you have European once your parliament has assented to a law that someone else's laws are superior to your parliament's than someone else's laws are are your laws had started having judges entering the political fray as in the United States the British system became more like the American. You had judicial review. You had judges coming in overturning laws. They didn't lie laws that were in conflict with say the European Union's ideas years of of of human rights and so the the Britain self rule eroded not only from without but also from within wow. That's a that is amazing. Now to Theresa May obviously came in and she said Brexit means Brexit but she clearly didn't mean brexit means brexit and she wasn't committed to it. Boris Johnson has made a lot of noise about this but I've talked about that. He's pulling out. He's definitely going to pull this off but I've talked to conservatives in Britain who feel don't entirely trust him. where where do you stand on the Boris Johnson question well. There are people who believe that I I would say that you know Boris Johnson has had a lot of his political personalities over the years remember is I I mean he was a member of parliament but his first major sure national job was as mayor of London. Now London is a very multiethnic very culturally ultra-liberal very cosmopolitan very complicated city. It's not running. A big city is not a place for dogmatists so just by the fact of having got himself elected mayor of London Johnson has proved himself a guy who is totally willing to compromise when he when he must that's part of the job that said he is the most prominent British politician politician and there were only about three of any stripe who who declared themselves for Brexit when the when the referendum came up he was the obvious candidate to become a prime minister after brexit past and David Cameron resigned but for reasons of internal party politics that probably needn't detain us he was denied that job he's the obvious next in line and and I can understand a few misgivings about his willingness to see it through to the end but he's all they've got right now so as I'm watching this thing unfold has gotten so complex. Alexa sometimes seems that they're pulling laws were passed in ten sixty six to maneuver against each other. Can you give a nutshell view of where we stand right right at this moment. It's a it's an interesting thing okay so Johnson has come to power. We've had a series of votes. Johnson has asked the Queen to prorogue parliament now one hand. It's a totally normal normal thing to do. in the sense that this previous parliamentary session is the longest parliamentary session. I believe in four hundred years. Oh you know so it's time for it to end on the other hand. You are in the middle of the greatest constitutional crisis in four hundred years so Johnson is being suspected of of using this to his own advantage of trying to shorten the window for Brexit one thing you can say in in Johnson's defenses assist if that was his name that he didn't shorten the window enough because he's just lost six consecutive votes that make his position very difficult GEICO. His position is all right. You don't like Brexit. Let's take to the country dissolved the government and and let the people people vote with. I'm I'm going to run as the representative of Brexit. These people can run as the representatives of the European Union may the best party win. The problem is due to new legislation the opposition plastic consent into that and they are worried that they will lose this election and so they're not consented to the way it stands now is. Johnson is in a legislative trap. The the parliament largely thanks to the maneuverings of the of the speaker of the House. The opposition has been able to seize control of legislative agenda in the parliament and pass a lot of laws that essentially ban Dan Brexit for now that can all be overturned in an election but it looks like Johnson cannot get to an election while but the central thing is there has to be an election because should Johnson resign. Let us say and this is the scenario that more and more people are looking at should he resign the other side will need to form a coalition of of some sort and that is it's very hard to see how the two big opposition addition parties the Liberal Democrats who are basically hardline anti anti brexit news and Labor Party which has come under control role of Jeremy Corbyn. Who's a sort of let's call him. Bernie Sanders I could I it is it is hard to see how they could form a majority and so- Johnson Johnson is trapped on the other hand. The whole logic of the situation is going to lead it to evolve in his favor. I obviously we care about this because Britain is our pal and our ally but beyond that what are the lessons that Americans especially conservative Americans constitutional all Americans. Let's call them. What are the lessons that we should be taking from this. What should we. How should we see you ourselves? In this mirror. It is very interesting. It's not just the Britain's our buddy and our ally but it's in a way it's our model and I think that the the ways in which written differs from us while resembling us very very interesting. It's the broad sweep of of Britain's evolution in the last fifty years has become more American and I'd say if there's one central lesson of this it's the it's the power of a power of the judiciary as a representative of the sort of the society's better better elements few the rich and the well born in a way in a way you know once we got rid of the Senate. I think the Senate in the United States constitution was explicitly intended to fulfill fill that function and it didn't for various reasons. That's a different that's a different argument but judiciary came to to to replace it in a certain way. I think Britney sort of imitating our use of the judiciary as a as an explicit check on the democracy of the country Inter interesting I'm out of time. Let me ask you. I I know no one can predict the future but we'll brexit happened. Oh that's a that's a tough one. I mean I I you know. It hasn't happened so far. The tools that the minority side in this referendum has to thwart the a will of the Democratic majority. They seem sort of like ad hoc in here but they've been sufficient so far and okay well. Thank you Christopher call well. Thank you so much for coming on. I hope people will read your piece in the Claremont Review of books. I and I hope you'll come back and talk again. I'd love to thank you very much. Thanks a lot I really really really great beasts and they should read it. You should read Clermont Review of books anyway. That City Journal from Manhattan Institute are two of the best magazines out there and a lot of places where a lot the can't disappears and you just get the information a final reflection before the klay finless weekends sucks you all into the oblivion destruction. You know so well you know. I started without Bhai Attacking The New York Times and let the finish off by attacking the New York Times because they stink they did something. I guess it was September twelfth US Yesterday there's a new comedian who has been named as one of the newest Saturday night live cast members and unsure. You can understand that in the life of a young comedian is one of the great eight days of his life right. This is a wonderful wonderful thing that happens New York Times is in a story written by Nancy Coleman runs a story saying comedian named on Thursday is one of the newest Saturday night left cast members made racist remarks mocking Chinese people and used a racial slur in a podcast episode last year. The comments were uncovered by a a comedy journalists. We that's something we really really need. We really need comedy journalists to uncover funny things that people said that's that's really important came out several hours after NBC announced that the Comedian Shane Gillis thirty one would be joining the cast along with two other performers one of them. The show's first Chinese American Eric Player unbelievable. This is an unbelievable piece of cruelty and nonsense that the New York Times would essentially join with these twitter twitter buffoons go on hunt up things when some guy wins the heisman trophy or Windsor Award or gets a part or is going to host the Oscars and they dig up these things that they can skew to look like he's a bad guy that look like he said something that you know. The comedians job is making fun. People making jokes about people's making stupid jokes making silly. He jokes making jokes. The rest of US would make it's all those things so Shane Gillis when he did this was doing his job. The people who were reporting on this were supposed to be reporting important the things that matter to us in life matter to the good in furtherance of our republic are not doing their jobs when they do this. This is just it's just made make people afraid of disagreeing and people are afraid and they are succeeding in this and shame on them shame on them. It's a disgusting thing to do a young man at this moment in his career. If he get killed somebody yes had buried a body in his backyard yes that he made jokes about. Chinese people that we live in this wonderful multicultural multiethnic society. We should be making jokes about one another. It's a great way to dispel hostility and it's also part of the comedy of being here and I just want to remind you just want to remind you that the New York Times just last month just an August ran this story complaining a loose network of conservative operatives operatives allied with the White House is pursuing what they say. We'll be an aggressive operation to discredit news. Organizations deemed hostile to president trump. Remember this thing went on it. Let's play the guy played. The Guy Jeremy Peters I think his name was who wrote this story and what he was complaining about. This is just the latest escalation under a president who has called the media the enemy of the people people and what that has effectively done is emboldened the president's allies this group of people who are connected to Donald trump junior to start looking at the online history going back in some cases more than a decade of journalists who in some cases don't even cover this administration and what they've Donnas. They've tried to pull embarrassing things find unflattering things in the social media history of these journalists and I'm talking about journalists at the nation's top news organizations like The New York Times Washington Post. CNN entities which have already been targeted by these conservative allies of the president's and what they do is they publicized is unflattering things that they found in social media histories when they want to retaliate against a an outlet for publishing a story that is unflattering to the president so which is something very different from what basic journalism is very different. Roy so they don't like it when it happens to them and of course really don't like it when it happens to them but it's okay when it happens. This young man has never done anything to anybody. Who's got a big break in life. It doesn't matter when they do at the Kevin Hart was Dream was the host the Oscars and they chased aced out. It's it is just absolute rank stupid cruelty and if that's what you're left this philosophy turns you into you should change your philosophy look in the mirror and change philosophy because that's skanky thing to do and shame on the New York Times. I gotTA stop there. 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S1E24: Why GDP Fails to Accurately Measure Economic Health: Mark Skousen

Steve Forbes: What's Ahead

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S1E24: Why GDP Fails to Accurately Measure Economic Health: Mark Skousen

"This is what's ahead and I'm Steve Forbes. You're about to hear from renowned economists Mark Scouser. Who's GonNa tell us why that number? GDP is not a very good picture totally accurate picture of the US economy. You WanNa get the real goods on what's happening to the. US economy listened to what Marc says because then you'll be head of the rest of the crowd on on seeing the trends for the future but I when I look at this week here's what's ahead well. We have a number of numbers coming out this week on Wednesday instate nine eleven we get an oil report inventories that'll give us an idea of demanded the US economy following day gas report natural gas industry facing a lot of pressure because of declining demand and an inability to ship more natural gas overseas. We get into another pair Arab numbers on nine eleven nine twelve on Wednesday nine eleven. We get the producer price index number. The Federal Reserve has still loving inflation elation which hasn't really shown up yet we'll see if <hes> their dream nightmare in my mind comes to fruition and on Thursday the twelfth we get the consumer price index again not very accurate and what people are actually paying in the US economy but something that's going to get a lot of headlines also on Thursday eight initial claims for unemployment that should still be a pretty good number and on nine thirteen Friday the thirteenth. Oh bad day a University of Michigan releases its survey of consumers now. There hasn't been much correlation in the past between consumer confidence in actual happenings things in the economy in the future but still it's a good idea of whether the consumers still confident short term that could mean sales now round the the rest of the world in Britain Prime Minister Boris Johnson must feel like he's in the Roach Motel. You can get in the European Union but by Golly. It's almost impossible to get out. You'RE GONNA see more maneuvering with him. In the House of Commons and the House of Lords Johnson wants to get a snap election the opposition opposition party the Labor Party doesn't want it because knows it would get clobbered but a lot of conservatives in Johnson's party. Don't want it either because they wanna stay in Brexit Brexit so you had the majority of Britons voting to get out of Brexit but in parliament they wanna stay in but don't underestimate Boris he's been I'm frustrated so far but he'll find a way to break out and get that election now. The Federal Reserve doesn't meet until a week from now but there'll be plenty of speculation in the days of head will they lower interest rates and by how much twenty five basis points fifty basis points. I think the federal be cautious washes usual and do the twenty-five the president will denounce it as too little while the usual fireworks which at the end of the day will mean very little and in China trade talks is a Lotta Hullaballoo about that then in October. They're going to sit down and negotiate. They're already putting feelers out through various channels well here. We we have to take the attitude of the state of Missouri. The State of Missouri has a slogan show me that's the attitude we have to have here. We've had so much about trade negotiations associations and when they've looked good the market goes up when it looks bad. The market goes down the market has gone virtually no place in the last year and a half because when certain certainties about trade so on that they'll be more noise but that's what at all will be noise. Put Your hands around your ears with this annoys and just wait for a real deal too many times. We've had good news and bad news. Let's get something Real mm-hmm. We have with us today. One of the foremost economists in America Dr Mark Scouser and he's written a number of books including textbook called economic economic logic that is probably the best in its field. He's also completed the auto biography of Ben Franklin. Now Franklin did die several centuries ago but mark went through all of his papers letters. I think he's related to Ben Franklin and so he completed what Franklin didn't complete over two centuries ago he puts out numerous newsletters. He's in a stock market grew. He also is the founder and the Impressario at Freedom Fest in Las Vegas and meeting of over two thousand liberty minded people from around the country trying to remove barriers to liberty to promote liberty. It's a great <hes> get together. I've been there for a number of years. There's and hope to get back again even after this interview so with that Mark Thank you so much for joining us. What a pleasure to be here Steve? We all hear her that. GDP Gross Domestic Product is the be all Indo measure of the health of the economy but you've been a proponent and indeed sort of creator of something called gross output. I like the British version of that called total output but it gives a much better view of the economy sort of like an x ray versus a cat scan and you make the point that GDP just measures the bottom line but does not measure the top line kind of an economy everything that goes into the making of the economy which has led to considerable mischief and misunderstanding by policy makers including we hear every quarter the consumer is seventy percent of the economy you say no so thanks to your efforts the bureau of Economic Economic Analysis which is part of the Commerce Department and issues the GDP numbers every three months and all the revisions thereafter several years ago in twenty fourteen eighteen. They finally did what you've been urging do. For years an issue something called gross output even better measure you make the case we'll discuss it later gross domestic expenditures but I to enable people understand about. GDP walk us through your example of the making of a cup of coffee. GDP just measures the Cup of coffee but there's a lot more that goes into the making of that coffee that is missed by GDP so give us. I the concrete example of the cup of coffee. Yeah I think that's a really good starting point because <hes> coffee starts with the beans the raw beans and and they have to be <hes> cooked and crushed you mentioned grown grown yeah they go through what I call of in General Channel Four stage process of the resource stage the production stage which is when the coffee is transferred the coffee beans or crushed and cooked and so forth and <hes> then then no distributed and finally they show up at starbucks or Caribou or all of these different kind of coffee shops that that you now see everywhere and what's interesting is that the government up until recently only major the final product and that's GDP is GDP measures the value of the final products of all goods and Services Che's and that that idea gets lost the the idea that GDP leaves out the entire supply chain. You know you can't have a finished finished product without the supply chain. You can't have that cup of coffee without all these workers and by the way represents ninety percent of the workers in the supply chain only ten percent work at the retail level so that's about fifteen million people in retail yeah yeah and it's only Tennessee sad. <hes> everyone else works in producing the manufacturing the distribution the Rock Commodity Amadi stage. There's all of these stages of production which we call the supply chain or B. Two B. IF YOU WANNA call A. B. Two B. Business to business activity activity amounts to twenty five trillion dollars the supply chain represents about twenty five trillion dollars in the economy and GDP itself the office only twenty one so we're leaving out this huge sector in the economy and you you mentioned this idea that consumer spending is the biggest sector of the economy what certainly seventy percent of GDP but since you're leaving out the supply chain and all the spending in the supply chain it turns out that consumer spending is really only about a third not two-thirds only about a third of the economy. It's an important sector shouldn't be ignored but it's not the beginning and end of all all things and consumer the idea that consumption is the key to prosperity suggests well. Why don't we just all go out and use user credit cards and spend more borrow more money? Wouldn't that stimulate the economy but that's a total misnomer. I I use the use Seattle Seattle as an example with my students and I say so why is Seattle prosperous and was it because suddenly everybody hey buddy decided to borrow money from their credit cards and Sean agrout spending no it was because there were four major in their course many companies agency that maids Seattle what it is today but I said students. Can you identify four companies that have made the difference in making Seattle aalto prosperous. What's the oldest or the answer is I could test you on this? Boeing Boeing is first and then of course along came Bill Gates eight Microsoft and then starbucks and finally the biggest of all of them now Amazon and the whole idea is that it was through the entrepreneur the businessman who came up with ideas that consumers didn't even know they wanted that 'cause Seattle. It'll to to boom business spending as much more important that consumer spending business spending drives the economy and it's twice the size almost twice. The size is <music> as consumer spending in the US gross output is much more volatile and is a pretty good leading indicator. The supply chain does a very good job anticipating what economic growth what GDP will do a quarter in advance so this is why it's so important that we look at gross output but in the supply chain early as we get it. We need to get the data as early as possible. If the latest data we have is just the first quarter second second quarter. GDP is already out but first quarter <hes> gross output <hes> basically was growing at a very low rate of one point six percent the supply chain actually declined in the first quarter so this this does fall into play with the sense that we are definitely our our economy despite what GDP has been doing our economy is definitely slowing down and I think it's largely due to the trade war <hes> that is going on and that's the this is a costly venture by the president and it's not without its cost several questions <hes> I about you you make the point about the importance of business investing business spending but saying that retail spending is a lagging indicator indicator when those numbers come out retail sales if they're good everyone goes through and all that shows a strong economy is but you make the point that that's the last thing you should look at. If you WANNA look to see what's happening in the future and if you see the supply chain faltering eventually the retail sales sales are gonNA falter as well yeah in fact <hes> there is the car pro you mentioned my textbook economic or another way to put his you know higher. Consumption is the effect not the cause of prosperity. That's Greg You WANNA look at consumer spending as the effect not the cause of prosperity <hes> and the the Conference Board puts out the ten leading indicators and they come out every month <hes> and they have they declined for the first time last month hunt for the first time in over a year <hes> and of course but the media focuses only on one of their indicators that is the consumer confidence index but but the consumer confidence index actually has been renamed the confidence index of business indicators <hes> so it's the asking asking the consumer what they think about their job and the outlook for the economy and so forth it's not how much they spend on a vacation and that sort of question so so <hes> the leading indicators are are all based on the supply chain intermediate activity including the Stock Market Orca stock market by the way is a financing mechanism of the economy and is a leading indicator because it's in the earlier stages which is a production. I mean the stock market is not something you consume. It's an investment vehicle in creating an environment for growth you hit on regulation stable money you mentioned trade removing trade barriers not putting them in tariffs are tax. It is a sales tax tariff that <hes> comes up the works reducing other tax rates especially as they affect business ease of starting a business fair judicial system timely one but the idea that government spending drives the economy. Where did that idea ever come from government doesn't create resources government takes resources from us and we hope they spend it wisely? They often don't but they don't create resources. Why are they counted as a part of the productive part of the economy? They're not consumers this was a big debate issue when GDP was created by <hes> by Simmons <hes> by Koos Nets <hes> Simon Kuznits back after World World War Two <hes>. WAS IT GOING TO BE C. Plus I pledged g you know plus g meaning government or was going to be Mary. Rothbart said sleepless I minus g meaning see is consumption is is fixed investment not the supply chain by the way they left that out <hes> and and then G is government spending and of course World War Two. Where's the classic example Steven? This is what got Keynesian economics and in all all the textbooks that Paul Samuelson Road <hes> was that luck government spending ran this huge deficit in unemployment disappeared ten million people suddenly became fully employed of course they were <hes> military <hes> and of course they leave out during the war even though you got paychecks if you're in the civilian workforce you couldn't buy anything everything was rationed the that's right and and that's one reason why there is an explosion of private investment in housing and food food production and and and building cars and everything else after World War Two Keynesians thought well government spending dropping than than we will have a a <hes> a major depression right after the war and it turned out to be just the opposite Paul Samuelson reversed his views on that <hes> and but rea- rea- real GDP actually declined seventeen percent according to the statistics after World War Two in nineteen forty six forty seven even and of course that was totally wrong it showed you <hes> the <hes> how GDP is inappropriate but put it actually grew very good point because if you look at that GDP number you would think boy this is worse than the Great Depression unemployment was full employment and it was really boom is a gross output by the way demonstrates that because it did increase <hes> because the supply chain was booming at that time so this leads to a very basic a question. You've got the B. E. A. to even publish this thing instead of waiting one hundred years publish it on <hes> At least a few times a year in two thousand fourteen so why the lag as you mentioned we got the second quarter but we just got the first quarter for gross output. What's what's the matter with these people? They don't like it so they're trying to bury it by killing it with the time lag well Stephen is actually a vast improvement <hes> the beaten improve abuse to produce gross output every five years and it was a five year lag but still still not very useful when you have that lag no and especially because gross output in the supply chain in particularly are leading indicators so we want that information quickly as possible because it's out the modern day of age technology. They're a little bit vague on the reasons why they have not been able to do it. You would think that gross output should had come first since it's the top line it's total sales and that's important for people to remember. GDP is the bottom line right. Gross output is revenue interest costs rent leases wages all that goes into the bottom line as you pointed out no security analysts stock analysts anyone anyone buying a stock would look just at the Prophet. You WanNa know what's behind it. What does the future hold houses company being run and yet on the <HES> economy side? We just look at the bottom line and that's why we always seem to get surprised is is this is a great tragedy a lot of ways that it took we now wait wait we came to the twenty first century <hes> before economists caught up with accountants and finance people because top line bottom line is very common Glenn on CNBC we read about it all the time but unfortunately when they came up with GDP. They thought well what really counts is. Just the final value the a finished product they ignored everything this the the stages of production that were required to achieve the the final output but I <music> I must say I I have my faith in government. Steve is actually been restored to some extent with the B. E. A. actually willing willing to every quarter published this data now they're bearing it right now. It's still not they're reluctant for whatever reasons and I'm trying and to get to the bottom of this as to why they're afraid of of highlighting it you've suggested political reasons. I mean these people poll are they're. They're good people they're. They're solid Carter treat their dogs very nicely but ideologically there Maria I I think those are the reasons they're dragging their feet. Presumably the commerce secretary even the White House could order a pickup but let me ask you a broader question and on these government statistics they get a lot of raw material and then they presented to us in a nice little package one. I have some competition where everyone everyone gets access to that raw material and <hes> we'll see who comes up with a better and faster numbers we saw it with the Genome Project Twenty years ago the government was Drouin this laborious process and along comes Greg Vinter and a half a fraction of the cost and faster speed he gets the job done said a billions. He does it for millions. Why not privatize these numbers? Why should the government have owned monopoly on those statistics yeah it's a good question and certainly at the the Atlanta <hes> fed does survey and has a estimate of GDP? It's called GDP now <hes> index but they don't do the gross output put <hes> the they're just guesswork because the B. is the one that that seems to monopolize control over this <hes> there are private firms arms do try to estimate this sort of thing economists are hired by Major Wall Street firms and so forth to estimate GDP <hes> so there is some element element of private-sector work in this regard <hes> but you're right. I mean you go to the B. E. A. New Headquarters in Washington. DC They they are quite secretive about releasing this data because it will affect the markets and so <hes> they're they're afraid to to provide had this kind of detail until they actually have the release date at eight thirty in the morning on Friday mornings or whenever they come out on it by the way they have promised Steve that within a year <hes> within a year they plan to release G. O. at the same time as GDP but it's at the third third estimate you know they they do this monthly estimate yes so it's only be the third estimates so still there's going to be a delay compared to the first estimate of a certain individuals in the White House that would that that would have changed but now <hes> Larry cudlow by the way a big fan of <hes> gross output not to get too theological and even better picture the economy's which you call gross domestic expenditure for some reason geo leaves out what seven trillion ten trillion of sales about eight trillion trillion dollars of sales it turns out that this is by tradition. Nobody's given me <hes> explanation of it but at the retail and wholesale level level they only measured net change that is they don't include the gross figures it's only net and it doesn't make any a sense to me if we truly want to Masur spending at all stages of production for goods and services then why not include everything at the retail and the wholesale level for some reason it's a net basis and I can't quite figure it out but it it is they do leave out about eight eight trillion dollars of <hes> and when you include this we're really of forty trillion dollar. Maybe forty two trillion dollar economy in terms of total economy instead of twenty. It's about it's almost double you mentioned textbooks. Yeah obviously slee yours it integrates gross-out PLOP Lynam. GDP do you hope several years ago that the others were GonNA follow suit have they <hes> it's been extremely gradual process. <hes> for my biggest hope is with the McConnell Brew Textbook which Asia Sean Flynn from screw scriptures the primary writer we fully integrated gross output into the textbook and then of course you have to send it around to all of the other professors and Steve After tell you I'm going to quote Steve Drucker Peter Drucker on this. He says economists Emma so the slowest learners for some reason they really are resisting this a give you a Funny Story Greg Mangku Professor of economics at Harvard University. It quoted in the press a lot yeah. He's a hard by Republicans considers himself a market-friendly person so I said can I come up and talk to your students and can you integrate gross output in your textbook and he said Mark <hes> hate to say this but I have my my students have a hard enough time understanding and GDP itself and I said Greg Their Harvard students they can understand top line and bottom line accounting as you've mentioned and every person who takes an accounting course seems to be able to grasp but yeah exactly and you see it too when GDP is released geo gets no mention at all all and unenterprising journalists <hes> ignored as well so even with the lagging numbers first quarter you mentioned Jio gross output his telling us something the trade wars having an adverse impact walk us through that I should back up a little bit by saying that the trump economy Bonomi was very boom was booming up until this trade war began and that's reflected win Geo gross faster than GDP see. That's the sign that the economy is really expanding revival introduce things and that means ultimately going to get to the consumer right so that's number one but in the last two quarters fourth quarter and first quarter we've seen a significant <hes> slowing down and actually the negative now on the supply chain and that suggests that <hes> <hes> <hes> there is a threat of an actual recession <hes> mild as has it is <hes> because and we think it's because of the trade war but GIO is actually growing now slower than GDP and this is a sign of this dangerous nine that we're headed toward a recession and you know trump's coming up toward the reelection and <hes> it's all about the economy May elections have always been on the about the economy in in in <hes> in most ways and so this is a threat and I think the Chinese I think they're delaying a coming to an agreement perhaps to thwart <hes> they they probably would prefer someone else in office than than trump. Don't you think <hes> who knows what goes through their minds. I have enough trouble figuring out which going through Washington's mines down down down there but tell us about why the trade war hits the supply chain because I heard today I keep hearing oh tariffs are such such a small part of GDP and therefore we can ignore it may hurt some farmers but it's no big deal blast that away it affects the supply chain which is a big deal. Walk us through that because I think consumers see the products there and the prices have gone up that much so they're continuing to buy and that's been this whole mantra tro that consumer spending is doing just great but you have to look behind the product line you have to look to the supply chain and that's where the disruption is taking place so that's the key word disruption dread wars those terraced disrupt the supply chain yeah exactly and so they're drawing upon inventories stories rather than new production is the way I see it and so that starts pulling it down now. It's pulling it down on a marginal level. We're not seeing actual the actual <hes> I mean we're seeing a decline in the supply chain and it's it's only slide in the first quarter. It was actually growing until the first quarter so it hasn't been devastating yet <hes> but it has that possibility because you're disrupting being something that has taken decades to put together. I mean supply change with the machine. How an iron apollon Allan Hi phone is made? It's made from thirty different countries all coming together and you know there there's actual trade that goes back and force between Mexico and the US sometimes the the same product goes back and forth back and forth back and forth and if you disrupt that in any way <hes> that's that's that's GonNa slow down the economy no question about it and it's primarily in the supply chain. This is again why gross output such important statistic trade if if people are buying imports that means they're prosperous yet in the way we compute. GDP imports are seen as a negative yeah figure yeah that well it's X. Minus M which means exports minus imports now the reason for that is GDP is gross output is a measure of production in the economy so imports are subtracted out because it's already included in consumption and business purchases so in other words. It's a way of eliminating double-counting <hes> in a sense so that's why X. Import is subtracted. Unfortunately fortunately the fact is that you get no sense at all how important in import exports are so the World Bank has a much better chart people go to export and import trade statistics by the World World Bank the World Bank shows exports plus imports plus imports as a percent of GDP and it's been moving up. It's almost thirty percent in the US. It used to be only fifteen just in the last so I in other worldwide just is sixty sixty percent some countries. Oh Yeah it's one hundred percent in Panama and in Germany at sixty percent Europe has a much higher level so when you disrupt that you are really disrupting the entire economy. It's not just a marginal impact and it's it's it's really significant. I encourage these people to go to that world. Bank figure really is amazing. How it's Nice Textbook by the way nice to know the World Bank is doing something right? They also do something else right. <hes> just this isn't aside not to beat up on the institution is <hes> survey they do each year. Is You know of one hundred ninety commies in the world called doing business. Oh yeah sh <hes> rates countries how easy it is hard. It is to start a business rather enlightening for all that we we is. The is the bad guy in this whole thing as you know they've screwed up Argentina and a lot of other places bet now the suburb another time monetary policy. The focus has I've been on the Fed should the Fed be setting interest rates are should <hes> borrower and lender said interest rates. I am in your camp on this <hes> and in fact you who are in Milton Friedman's camp as well he always thought that <hes> that basically should increase the money supply at a stable rate <hes> he ah he he rejected the gold standard as you know there's this one area where you and Milton disagreed but <hes> you would certainly get a much more stable environment virement if you increase the money supply to very stable rate use a computer to do it and then let interest rates just be decided by private individuals and even if you don't try to manipulate the money supply just let <hes> we come an agreement where you're GonNa pay me three and a half percent <hes> Eh borrow that's fine fetch and get involved in that. What about its bloated? Portfolio shouldn't let that run down. They've in effect taken four trillion dollars ars out of the banking system where they quantitative easing which is four trillion dollars amounted to bates basically they they he distributed they paid for these useless bonds and they put it back into the system. Where did that money go? I often get that. The question is why didn't we get inflation as a result of that and the answer is we did get inflation it went into stocks and it went into bonds and it also went into real estate and we have had a dramatic inflation in the stock market and the bond market and look at the bond market has been just as successful as the stock doc market and real estate so that's where that money went the money had to go so it did not go into consumer goods. That's the point I'm making it. It went into other areas the same we don't are. CPI is another defective amaze your price index one. It's just not a fair inflation inflation which doesn't include real estate knocks stocks doesn't even include taxes most taxes probably really doesn't really include the increased amount of money that people are paying paying copays for their health insurance policies I think there is some element of the CPI in that but they have tried to improve it but no there's there's a lot distortion is not a measure of the true cost of living there. So I think running down that is fine. I will tell you you that m three which the Fed no longer reports on m three and m four these broader M stands for money supplies the theologians love this they get all sorts of different. M.'s well. It's the m three is growing at a three percent a nine percent rate which is really quite significant and I believe this assistant for the rising in for those who are interested in what what does them three include currency in circulation bank reserves and what else well yes but it also includes <hes> certificates of deposit in Europe and so forth so it's a much broader based money supply figure and I think it is a more accurate a figure of what's happening monetarily and it does suggest a return of inflation not not dramatic necessarily but the fact that gold old is rising in price is an indicator that inflation is coming back and I do find it really another thing that I really complain about the Fed is actually really having an inflation target. If you want to inflation target it should be zero or less. It should not be two percent. We shouldn't be encouraging inflation of the ID can control the price of an eye pad. I mean come on now. Well <hes> Paul Volcker even Paul Volcker is opposed he in in his biography <hes> railed against he thought it was idiotic to have a two percent inflation target rate so he was very much opposed documentary in money. We you trust that you played a prominent role in Volker makes that point Paul Volcker former head of the Federal Reserve these thinks this idea of inflation targeting insane yeah and I was going to cause a lot of mischief so in terms in terms of <hes> the Fed less is more leave the economy alone own peop- people can take care of it and in terms of trade <hes> looking at gross output understanding the importance of these sophisticated supply chains which as you point out take years to create disrupting them is not like I like the comparison of changing a pitcher and a ball game or changing quarterbacks in a football game. This is very intricate and when they're uncertainties introduced her begins even slight disruption. It has an outsized impact so <hes> Markelle enclosing using you write a lot about the stock market. Are you bullish bearish or you say you can't predict the future but <hes> just look for good stocks in the meantime. I'm more more in the latter category and I have some stocks have done really well. We've we've we've had a superior track record over the last fifteen or so years in my newsletter our forecast and strategies <hes> I am fearful that <hes> this trade war is dragging on. It's not easy to win. As President President Trump said famously and we are all wars we always take courses. You don't anticipate well. That's right and we <hes> we've added gold for the first time in eight years to our portfolio so this year we have a Franco Nevada which is financing mining companies. That's up almost almost forty percent this year so that's been a big winner for us. It is a it is a major issue to debate and I should good mentioned <hes> next year at our freedom fest which is in Twenty Twenty <hes> we're going to be <hes> our theme is <hes> catch the vision and we're going to be looking at this. New Decade is the new decade a is going to be another roaring twenties and a new era of prosperity for the next twenty s <hes> next decade or are we gonNA face depression and other war. I mean those sure those are major issues so delighted that you're going to be with US next year. <hes> it's really going to be <hes> an important conference mark. Is there anything else. You'd like to add before we go. I think one area that really concerns a lot of people is the potential potential abuse of power by President Trump with these executive orders <hes> I think it's I think it's important topic. <hes> and a lot of people are fearful earful that no president has ever taken advantage of <hes> executive orders like trump. I could be wrong about that but he's probably using them more than anybody. Nobody does any as anybody dentist study on that. I don't believe so <hes> but I'm very disappointed. He hasn't issued one that mandating you have to buy subscriptions options to Forbes Magazine. I'm very very annoyed by that. I'm sure I could do it for national security. You know your your your nation. Be More Secure Cure. People were more enlightened you know grover grover norquist argued who's a political activist. Es <hes> for indexing of capital gains and two executive order personally. I still think it has to go through. Congress may not pass but it just seems like like the president's over you were using his authority here to US national emergency for any <hes> power play that he wants. I am fearful that that this could be setting a precedent. You don't agree well. The the problem is presidents change and I just imagine what Elizabeth Warren or some other people whose economic views views on being polite. I don't agree with would do if they are in the executive office. There's a reason why the founders had due process not only only in law but also how government decisions are made you know <hes> Elizabeth Warren and I've met her. You've probably met her as well. She comes across is very shrill to me and that is that is something to be worrisome. Of course we have trump in his antics who knows <hes> but she is coming up. In in the polls the compared to <hes> <hes> to Biden <hes> Biden seems to be drifting in terms of support so so it'll be interesting to see <hes> one of the things we're doing <hes> <hes> you know the Democrats may elect a a socialist. I mean who knows this is. These are dangerous times and you just never know what what might happen. I actually giving a talk at the Wisconsin Constant Forum <hes> in a couple of weeks <hes>. How do you get rid of a bad idea that is democratic? Socialism in the answer is with the better idea democratic capitalism and <hes>. There's a lot of examples. Did you know that Microsoft has created twelve thousand millionaire's employees through their stock option programme so you know when you when you have that kind of sharing of the wealth and it's voluntary it's it's not mandated. <hes> that gets the attention of young people who are tempted Abai Socialism to me democratic credit associations and miss sharing of the poverty while democratic capitalism is more sharing of the wealth well mark. Thank you for being with US my pleasure Steve Real pleasure and now here's my reeds of the week I won. It's entitled entitled. What's Russia to us? It's written by Angelo Code Avila at Claremont Review of books. You can find it on Clermont Dot Org Clermont Airmont C. L. A. R. E. M. O. N. T. Clermont dot org slash CR. Be Those are the initials Claremont Review of books. The articles gives gives a different take on Russia in effect. We should be less concerned about Russia and more concerned about China. It's a provocative piece but we we need something to stir. The mind in this gives us a little different point of view about how we should view Russia Russia's been an obsession with the US political world old but that obsession is a mistake China's. The one we should be focused on the next read is entitled the Trade Trade Wars

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Ep. 900 - Joe Biden Is Being Controlled By Bernie Sanders And The Far Left

The Andrew Klavan Show

47:51 min | 1 year ago

Ep. 900 - Joe Biden Is Being Controlled By Bernie Sanders And The Far Left

"It's still early in the election year and at this point the polls don't really mean anything so let's take a look at them anyway because life is just too long and you've got to do something to kill the time the latest polls show that Joe Biden would defeat President Donald Trump if the election were held today in the fairyland of the media's immagination relies turn to chocolate bars and melt on the tongue. Biden is leading several battlegrounds including Gettysburg and and tatum where many veterans of the civil war remembered fondly and can understand what the hell happened to him when he used to be such a fun guy and Abe Lincoln impersonation was second to none seventy-three percent of people who hate trump so much. They can't pry their teeth apart. Say they would vote for a potted plant before they would vote for the president they would also vote for an overturned garbage can use toilet brush a collection of orange lines were Joe Biden. Sixty six percent of people who wished the walk down would never end and they could just keep receiving those unemployment checks that are higher than the money they made working say they would vote for Biden if he would give them something for free preferably a motorbike or maybe one of those drones that you can use to take videos of the girl next door when she's doing yoga. Eighty five percent of people who plan to vote by mail. Say they prefer Biden because he kind of looks a lot like they do. Even though they've been dead for three years and a full ninety two percent of voters who can't construct an English sentence say they'd vote for Joe Biden because the garage on their legs with a chainsaw. You know the thing. Fifty six percent of trump voters. Want the pollster to get off their lawn and the other forty four percent didn't answer the questions because they couldn't stop laughing trigger warning. I've Andrew Klavan this. Is the Andrew Klavan? Show all sustain you shape thompson season so wonderful to Google all right. We're still trying to build up those subscriptions on the Andrew Claybin Youtube Channel. Please go over and subscribe. Doesn't cost you anything and and it helps us and we're following your comments. We do pay attention to your comments. We've got one from Tommy. Jacobs who says my wife is never watched the Cleveland show but has started singing along with the intro. Every time she hears it And Robert Karlsson answers plot twist your wife secretly is in love with the great bulk keeper of knowledge and only by her inception. Do you want TV and watch the show. It's all an elaborate ruse while your wife slowly leave you for Andrew so very complex fantasy life on Youtube and have your wife call me all right. My friend comedian. Evan say it. My friend Comedian Evans. Said likes to say that the left is not just always wrong but always as wrong as wrong can be that is not just. They actually get things exactly backwards. There's a lot of truth to this. And as the Chinese virus crisis transforms into a reopening story. We can actually take a step back and see the that the news coverage has not just been wrong. It's been exactly the opposite of the truth. Which means we have to think about. What'S THE REAL overall story? And what's the hidden heretic every day? We've heard that there was some scandal in the trump administration when there wasn't an everyday the press touted the Kung flu responsible blue governors and places like New York Pennsylvania New Jersey and Michigan but actually trump's done a good job while the blue state governors were committing acts of politically correct stupidity. That left the old and von Vulnerable Dead Cuomo New York Wolf in Pennsylvania Killer Phil Murphy. In New Jersey and Uber Storm Fewer Gretchen Whitmer in Michigan. These non Asian Murder Hornets actually instituted policies demanding that nursing homes taken people who are suffering from flu. Manchu and thousand died because of that and yet because of the press coverage their ratings are still very high. Cuomo is ready to somewhere in the eighty percent positive but wait. There's even more than this Nancy. Pelosi's attempt to bully Congress into sending bailout. Money to the states is actually an attempt to have working states like Florida Texas. Cover up another real scandal. The failing socialism in states like New York and California. She wants to transfer money from successful red states to failing blues. And all the while this is happening the press is instituting another cover up another lie. Which is the Joe? Biden is a realistic candidate. He's doing a very bad imitation of a normal old style. Democrat politician when really what he is is a wooden dummy being used by socialist ventriloquist like Pelosi and Bernie to push their leftist policies undercover of normalcy. So you got bad. Trump good democrats. That's the story. The real story is bad and incompetent socialist trying to sneak their way into the White House behind a make believe candidate while the rest of us prop up their failures. That's the actual story is being hidden and the story they're telling is the opposite one. Let us talk about Ashford University when it comes to your future you WANNA dream big the bigger the better and the dream of a better tomorrow starts with a degree from Ashford University. Look we're all going to be looking for Work Soon. And the more degrees you have the better. It is for you the more education you have the better. It is free to find a job. 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He came under fire from the media because of the firing of a woman whose job it was to display data obtained by the Department of Health's Epidemiology Epidemiology. That disease people. There is supposed to publish this information. And so they basically accused him of hiding information and he went off on the press. Our data is available. Our data is transparent in fact after burks has talked multiple times about how Florida has the absolute best data so any insinuation. Otherwise is just typical partisan narrative trying to be spun and part of the reason. Is that because you got a lot of people in your profession. Who Wax Poetically for weeks and weeks about Al Florida was going to be just like New York. Wait two weeks Florida's going to be next just like Italy. Wait two weeks well hell. We're eight weeks away from that and it hasn't happened not only do we have a lower death rate while we way lower desk generally we have a lower death rate than the ACELA corridor. Dc everyone there. We have a lower death rate than the Mid West Illinois Michigan Indiana Ohio but even in our region Louisiana Mississippi Alabama Georgia Florida has the lower death rate and I was the number one landing spot from tens of thousands of people leaving the number one hot zone in the world to come to my safe. So we've succeeded and I think that people just don't want to recognize it because it challenges their narrative it challenges their assumption. So they gotta try to find a bookie man. Maybe it's at their black helicopter department of Health. If you believe that I got a bridge in Brooklyn. I'd like to sell you. This is what has got to happen. And this I believe inspired by Donald Trump. Donald Trump has shown them the way that they've got to go after the narrative. They've got to go out after the press got to do it with both guns blazing they really do and this is. I mean this is just delicious stuff because it's so necessary because the story they're telling me is untrue. Every time you hear a reporter say ninety thousands more than ninety thousand Americans have died. Well yeah that's true but thirty percent of those renew. Your New Jersey. Thirty percent of the deaths are New York New Jersey. If we just took the ACELA corridor away The death toll would be much much different. So who do you blame you? Blame the guy who runs the country the whole country and overseas and basically is in charge of sending equipment to the states. Or do you blame the guys in the States. We part of it is just tragedy. I get that. But but part of this is malfeasance on the part of these governors that they are covering up. And it's GONNA be this way. Know Bill mcgurn in the Wall Street Journal wrote a Great Column About Jerry Falwell Junior Liberty University. The you know Evangelical University in West Virginia about the fact that he was accused of when he restarted classes needed a very carefully with only a small number of students coming back they said. Oh the blood. That's all the bloodshed. They reported the story before it happened. Of course it never happened. They did everything very carefully. It all worked out very well. We're waiting you know. I'm sure you're holding your breath. Waiting for the corrections the corrections never come. So it's this narrative they keep hammering they just move onto the next narrative and it's the opposite of the truth and we've got a correct it every step of the way all right. Let us take a look. Let's start by taking a look at Joe Biden. I want to start with taking a look at Joe Biden and you know look. I always liked to be. I always like to be fair to Joe Biden and let him state you know his policies so you can compare them to trump. 'cause that's what action is. It's comparison of policy. So let's hear from Joe Biden and areas. He's reading from a script so he won't have the usual problems cut number eight and there's a lot we can do that. Related to was argument pass SPA businesses. That the president just to just hasn't hasn't done look You know combination of failing to move quickly. Got To be kidding me. The got to be kidding. I'm telling you this guy is of intrinsic was dummy. Whoever speaking through him is speaking through them and the reason remember. Let's not forget why he's there. He is there because the Democrat establishment said we are Never GonNa win with firebrand Socialist Bernie Sanders. So we'll put this guy will hold them up. We'll problem up tournament to a Hologram will broadcast them and in a way they got a big break. They got a big break with this With all with this Chinese flu because he doesn't have to come out of his basement he just POPs up for a couple of minutes a day and he can almost string a sentence together almost And you know right now the polls show him leading. They don't really mean anything. The battleground states are very close. But eventually he's going to have to come out. I mean eventually he has to come out. They can't keep them down there forever. I and so You know and and look. They know who he is. They know who he is. How do I know well? Let's take a little trip back in time when Obama was president and every now and again every now and again they could afford to make a joke. The left could afford to make a joke at their own expense. Let's take a look at Jon Stewart. Remember that picture of Joe Biden nuzzling. That poor little red headed girl you know. He's got his face just planted in her hair. And she's got this look on her face like please. God remove this guy from my body. So Jon Stewart actually. Did you remember? The daily show is back in the day back in the Obama Day the Jon Stewart on his daily show put up picture and this was his reaction cut five. What could you possibly be say be still my I on your precious life barely Senate passage officially sworn in until Delaware. Joe Is felt up one female member of your immediately family media family. So so then. Who Does he have on? He has one of the many comedians he gave. Star to Johnson Samantha. B and Samantha B is playing a reporter who has just had a an interview with Biden. And because some of you are listening to this and can't see it. I sorry to give the joke away. But she's got handprints on her body different color handprints on her breast and when she turns around at the end of the routine on her rear end. She's got these big handprints and she's just come back from an interview with Joe Biden. Here's that interview swears. He's seen the error of his ways and for her part. This reporter believes him up. Just a curiosity. What was Biden doing while you spoke with him? Bunny well he had just finished writing. I will not grow women. One hundred times on a chalkboard and then he was eating. Strawberry preserves without any utensils so so he's keeping busy with his of activity John and then as he began to change the oil on his motorcycle. While also enjoying some cheetos. I turn to leave you know and say goodbye by turn to me and he said come back back so I can shake your hand on. I joined the president. Shook my Great Interview Sam. So that was back in the day right when they could afford to do that so they not only is she making fun. Only Samantha B. Who is now? Just all JUST SPITTING INVECTIVES DONALD TRUMP. Not only is she making fun of Joe Biden being a groper because this before me to when we had to take that when we that now we have to take that seriously back then. It was a joke. Not only was she making fun of that. Which was making fun of the press for being so enamored of him that she's actually covering this after he's been all over after had his hands all over so they know they know who. Joe Biden is and they're not covering it covering up for him. Why why because they need to get this guy in? They're getting him in to be Joe Biden. He's not Joe Biden Anymore. In the last six months go back on you to go back and watch a year ago a year ago he can put together as an English sentence. He's got it's called Faiza. He just can't get the words out anymore. He's deteriorating in front of US and they're covering up for him and they're allowing him to cover up in his basement. Why well you know George. Stephanopoulos had Bernie Sanders on and Stephanopoulos s sanders. Hey how come you know. Some of your voters these we remember these radical voters from Project Veritas Right. Remember them saying the streets are GONNA burn if we don't get our way and everything's GonNa come toppling down if we don't get our communist candidate in there and George Stephanopoulos says to Bernie Sanders. How come how are they gonNA move from you? And your open you know. Stalinist communism democratically elected of course to Joe Biden. And here's Bernie's answer cut four at the end of the day. The vast majority of the people who voted the WHO supported me well understand and do understand the Donald Trump is most dangerous president in the modern history of this country is a pathological liar. He's a racist than a sexist homophobic at such and I think at the end of the day they will be voting for Joe Bite but I think what Joe is going to have to do? He's beginning to move in. That direction is to say to those working class. People say to those young people Saito those minorities. Listen I understand your situation so I think that Joe and his staff understand. I think they are going to reach out to our supporters and come up with an agenda that speaks to the needs of working families of young families of minority communities. So don't worry. Joe Is going to be a leftist and if he's not a leftist if he himself won't mouth a Bernie Sanders policies. It doesn't matter because Nancy. Pelosi will really be the one the Joe McCarthy working towards the Bergen working the Working VENTRILOQUIST'S DUMMY. And really saying it will really be her words in her policies. Zane he and her policies while she just introduced a three trillion dollar relief bill with one trillion dollars that goes to the states and the the lie that they're telling you is that oh the states need to be bailed out because nobody's working because we shut down the the economy but really what that means is that the states that are working. Florida and Texas Georgia. The Red States are going to be bailing out reckless policies of New York and California. These guys have been negotiating with these State Unions these government unions and giving them pension because pension doesn't kick in until the Guy Giving Away. The pension is out of office so he never has to pay for it but ultimately these pensions come in and California is broke. They keep saying well. We balanced the budget. No because the pension debt is so huge and the Medicaid that which just goes on infinitely. Here's Rick Scott Right Governor. Who Was Governor Florida? Now a senator telling pointing out the fact that in New York taxes go up. The deficit gets bigger. The people are bleeding. They're leaving the state whereas in Florida people are coming into the state they're no state taxes and there's a balanced budget and here. He talks about how that happens. Rick Scott got elected Governor CUOMO governor. I wanted to watch. The whole time is fed up with New York because you taxes were so high. The regular regulation side unquotable just wasted money Europe two year. He would never watch him. Make tough choices that you have to make in business boundaries have to make we have to live within our means not. Andrew Cuomo hits borrower money every year. And then he'd get mad at me because I would recruit New York companies in New Yorkers to come and say hey come to my state and weather's better regulations less and you can keep some of your money your all let you keep it. And now he says Oh now all those people always still want them to Pay New York pay off. New York's budget problems making. We're not doing it. I'm going to fight. This is wrong for floorings thorns after pay for California Illinois New York excesses natural raw. It's not only wrong. It's the whole point of the exercises the entire thing that we're seeing now. Look we know what socialism does right we seem Venezuela we've seen people frying their cats on garbage fire. So they have something to eat and we know this is what happens and yet what they're saying is this country can hide that by overriding federalism. Where you the states have to take responsibility for their own. Policies will override that by moving the money from states that work like Florida and Texas Georgia and will move all that money over to the states. That don't work. That have been spending without any responsibility whatsoever. And we'll do it while we have this Hologram. Joe Biden standing up there pretending to be a nineteen fifties Democrat. We're helping working people an amazing amazing scam being pulled off with the help of the press. All right we're GONNA talk more about our friends. Andrew Cuomo and some of the other killer governors But first let's talk about helixsleep. 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We all understand how Donald Trump's necktie and his medicine his weight is all being covered very. It's very important that we all hear about that. But don't worry about it because Chris Cuomo is covering Andrew. Cuomo here is A video of that coverage. This is the normal swab. I'm holding up here now and for everybody at home. A very valuable object only one company in the entire country. That makes these up in Maine. Right here's this up. Is it true that this was this? Swab that the nurse was actually using on you and that at first it went into your nose and disappeared so that in scale this was the actual swab that was being used to fit up. That double barrel shotgun that you have mounted on the front of your pretty face. So that's you know he's holding a bigger and bigger gigantic. Mock SWABS SWABS There's this huge that obviously someone at CNN had to construct because they didn't want to be covering the fact that Andrew Cuomo killed all those old people here's a funny Slob and what about those people who killed. They didn't want to do that so they just constructed bigger and bigger swab. They're going to have to get a swamp so big that it actually covers the camera. Shall we can't see the truth of what's happening and and just to make this even more scurrilous just to really make this ugly. Cuomo is now blaming Donald Trump. He's blaming Donald Trump for his policy of sending people in This I'm reading this from the daily caller but it comes originally from the New York Post Democratic New York Governor Andrew Cuomo blamed President Donald Trump for mass deaths in nursing homes after forcing long term care facilities should be after he forced long term care facilities to take in corona virus positive patients. The governor of New York told reporters to ask President trump about the nursing home deaths. The New York Post reported arguing that his state was merely following the federal government's lead in sending corona virus positive patients to nursing homes. Anyone wants to ask. This is Cuomo speaking anyone who wants to ask. Why did the state do that with? Covert patients in nursing homes. It's because the state followed president trump's CDC Guidance Cuomo told reporters when asked whether he regretted the directive. Okay Republican New York Rep. Elise Stefanik criticized. Cuomo governor Cuomo continues to point fingers at the federal government's but here are the facts regarding CDC Guidance. The governor's decisions to mandate that mercy the nursing homes expect except cove in one thousand. Nine patients completely disregards the case by case approach recommended by. Cdc in other words CDC was saying if you can do it safely do it but they just made it a sweeping politically correct. You've got to take these people in it is just amazing and Cuomo rescinded the order. He rescinded the order. Because he saw it. Wasn't you know who hasn't Gretchen? Whitmer Burston Fewer Gretchen. Whitmer He she continued to extend extended the protections for all employees and residents an long-term facilities. It's critical that employs long term care facilities have access to the resources they need. This is what it says but what it means. They've gotTA keep taking sick people in to nursing homes and then there's killer Phil Killer Phil Murphy in New Jersey. Now I have this just pause from it here. He was interviewed by. Msnbc's Willie Geist and obviously MSNBC left-wing station so they're touting fear they're touting you know Democrats and all this stuff but Willie geist we gotta give him credit. He asked this question twice. He says are you. Sorry that you didn't pull Rescinded this order. The Way Cuomo did. Are you sorry? You didn't pull the sort of the way? Cuomo did and listened to killer Phil as he basically dodges the I mean. It's amazing dodged. The question was that a mistake. And Are you looking at overturning? That in the same way that governor Cuomo did in New York so willy the tragedy within the tragedy. You've said it is in long term care facilities. That's not just a New Jersey. It's in the country but it certainly is New Jersey. A big percentage of the lost lives come from there including as you said from our veterans. Helms it's been an incredibly uneven performance by the operators. We started long before March. Thirty first of Department of Health started on this with directives for long term care. We'll put the National Guard in the. Va homes the attorney. General is actually doing an investigation. We hired a national firm Nexus to tell us when this is over what we could have done differently. We want the Mattel's now what we could do differently or could have done differently. They're actually working on that right now. I don't want to jump the gun. He's actually blaming the nursing homes for his the results of his directive. That is what the guy is doing. He is looking straight into a camera and a geist. I got to say well you guys to be see heaves very polite. He said yes. Some of the nursing homes have performed badly but and he asked the question again. And of course Murphy. Dodges the question again this is? This is amazing stuff these are actual scandals actual malfeasance If you know in fact if if Andrew Cuomo came out and said Yeah that was a terrible mistake he's never taken he did rescind the order which is good the directive but he's never taken responsibility for what happened and none of these guys responsibility now. Cuomo's blaming trump which is amazing right out and said Yeah. We made a tragic error. These things that we'd never saw this before. This is a once in a Lifetime. Democ and we make mistakes. The problem with that is it would ruin the narrative that trump is doing something wrong. Just amazing stuff. And meanwhile they're trying to make a scandal out of the fact that trump has fired the inspector general in the State Department are trying to say that he's covering up for Mike Pompeo That Mon Mike Pompeo was being investigated by the Inspector General. Pompeo says that's not true. We have a clip about their claims that this was for retaliation for some investigation that the Inspector General's office here was engaged in patently. False have no sense of what investigations were taking place inside. The Inspector General's Office couldn't possibly have retaliated for all the things. I've seen the various stories that someone was walking my dog to sell arms to my dry cleaner. It's all just crazy. It's crazy stuff so I didn't have. I didn't have access to that information so I couldn't possibly have retaliated would have been impossible so the the right conservatives who said you know. Brock Obama fired. Ig's as well right and he fired this guy. Gerald Walpin who had discovered that money that was going to Americorps. This left wing. Organization was being misused and so Obama fired him and so one of those fact check I think fact check dot org or whatever it was says no no no no because trump has fired. Four Obama only fired one but in fact when Obama was president forty seven. That's more than half of the inspector generals in the country. Forty seven of them signed an open letter decrying the Obama Administration stonewalling of their investigations. The White House they said had placed serious limitations a quote serious limitations on access to records that have recently impeded the work. So it's this whole scandal followed the scandal that is really a cover up. The scandals of the trump administration are cover-ups of the scandals. A of the Obama administration be of the incompetent states like New York and California that are ruining their states by overspending by Kowtowing To Public Sector Unions and the scandal obviously of the Obama Administration which is the scandal of the press. That is the scandal of the press. It is the press that is the Nick Sonian cover up organization which is an amazing fact. Really when you think about it that the people you know I started out by saying not only does the left. Get it wrong. They get it backwards. So the people who are supposed to be spreading information are actually covering information and spreading false information. That's the situation that we're in. Which is why that descent is cut is so so beautiful all right. Let's talk for just a moment about stand dot com when you want to go to the post office. The one thing you don't want to do is go to the post office. 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Books one of the best. Think tank productions anywhere it really is the Claremont review of books terrific and the American mind which is kind of the young person's Claremont Review of books. And he's got a new podcast. Young heretics you can get young. Heretics DOT COM spence failure. Doing Oh he dad. Good to see you until I thought that when I moved to La. The only way I could get to talk to you now your little rapunzel tower and I never get to see you. So it's nice your face I know because I have to. I have to stay alive because obviously I'm holding the entire world in my imagination. So it's important exactly know or if. I go we all go. That's busy MOMS low. What does the young Eric's you've got a new PODCAST I have not heard yet but I'm going to go on my walk after this and listen to you haven't listened to my show that I listen to show no so right. Young heretics is show that I've just launched launched on Tuesday. I guess it was after a long up. Coronavirus kind of threw a wrench into everything. We finally got it out there but the point of the show is its western culture without the culture wars so I it just occurred to me that we were spending so much time arguing with basically stupid liberal threat with people who think that Shakespeare is racist and reading. Homer is encourages inequality in that. You're not reading enough. Whatever queer black feminist liberation and so we need to. That's all incredibly stupid and we can all agree. That's a ridiculous thing to say but we spent conservative. Spent so much time arguing about why that stupid and trying to defend Western culture. Go on the defensive that we actually get caught in this trap right. We get distracted by these by arguing with idiots and arguing with idiots is almost never good for the soul rights almost never productive. So I'm obviously. Everybody knows where. I stand on the culture wars. I'm I'm in favor of taking back the academy and and doing all of that good work but I it occurred to me that it would be good to have a place that we can just set that aside for a second and actually enrich ourselves with just all the stuff that we spend all this time defending arguing about why. It's okay to read homer that we forget sometimes to actually read homer and that's what young heretics is about. It's just every episode. Pick some great western work of Western culture in and dig into it. It is kind of amazing when you think about it instead of instead of actually talking about Shakespeare. There's so much to say about Shakespeare and homer and Plato and all these instead of talking about that. We're actually talking about the fact that we're not supposed to talk about it. And this kind of this new thing called theory where instead of reading homers to see about homer we read homer so that some feminist or race identity and can go off on it and talk about that. So what? What's your show. Your show is is homer vs homer the Iliad. I figured. Go back to the beginning of of Greek literary tradition. There's recently been this kerfuffle back in Oxford where I loved doing my Grad degrees and had a great time. But they've been arguing about whether it's maybe encourages inequality to require homer for their classics degree. And it's like saying you know does. Does it encourage equality to require that you use like butter to Cook Right? It's essentially like you just have to. You can't even understand classical literature without homer escalates. Who's one of the sort of later? Greek tragedian said that you know all of his plays were like slices from the banquet of homer. And so this idea that you can you. Can you can dispense with this stuff. If it offends your sensibilities or it doesn't quite match up with all of the things that you think should be going on economy you know. Serve this sort of a in essentially. You don't need home. He's actually doing a tremendous disservices. These are you know pinnacles of the of the western of the human imagination. They're they're phenomenal poems. Songs really talked about in the episode and and Yeah I just think it's such a crime to deprive people of opportunity to be told that this is this is so essential so that's what the first the show is. No vaunted. The Bible is the second second episode of the things that always bugs me about these conversations. Is that conservatives. I think conservatives defend the idea of culture but when they get to culture they WANNA know how is it going? How is home? We're going to help win the thirty second Congressional district in Ohio. They don't really know. I feel like a lot of political people. A lot of people with political orientation. Don't really know what culture is for. What what is it for? Why why do we have to know this? Why can't I just know that? Republican governors are good and Democrat. Governors are bad. Why do I have to know? Home for instance. This is a rant that I've been going on a lot recently and it's probably your fault. It's probably because I've got that the thing that people don't understand about culture is or about literature especially but art more generally is that first of all it doesn't work like politics political arguments do where you sort of. Look at the facts. And you prove what you're trying to say. It's much more of a expressive way of getting truth across right. I can't make an argument about why a sunset is beautiful. But I can paint you a painting that that puts that experience that is in my heart into your heart. And that's people think that of squishy subjective whatever but no that's like all of the important truth about the world lives there and we can't communicate except through art and there's no there's no backing out of that right. You can't just be like well it's not you know. I'm just gonNA focus on politics because you live in culture whether you like it or not you step out the street every moment of your day. You'RE LISTENING TO SONGS. You're seeing billboards you know you're being told through their falsehoods about the world. And those you know those shape whether you like it or not you know it is. It is amazing. We don't understand. This actually. Is the argument that the idea of this inner person this inner experience that they have people talk about respectively as feelings? But it's not feelings. It's everything it's your joy it's your love. It's all the things that you experience and what we have is. We have a group of material saying. Oh we'll give you a pill for that you're unhappy. I'll give you a pill and then you'll be happier and we basically have taken away the experience of being human which is what freedom is really all about all these would all these works of poetry in great works of. Philosophy are all about is about the experience of being a human being which I think is what we're sort of being sold not that important. Here's here's a universal income and an antidepressant and going her way and everything would be fine. Yeah so so you were in England. How long were you in? Obviously we raised you the first eight from two to ten. I think in Jamaica and that we lived in kidney omen. You've got that accident. You were terrified. Used to think like you were going to steal thing is GonNa wake up and find you with a ceremonial dagger of my remember. That I was going to be on your son know they? They actually prep me in my ear but when you came back so you were there for five years in graduate school right. Yeah I couldn't figure out where he were. I kept saying we haven't seen that guy but but when you came back what was. The biggest culture shock was a culture will. What's funny about that? Is You know one of the experiences of being what they call an ex patriots. Living outside your home country is if you come back at all then you get these sudden snapshots where you forgotten a little bit about what? It's like to be at home to be in America and you just get this concentrated hit of like I would come back for Christmas or I would come back for the summer. And it's taking the temperature of the of the country like you sort of leave you forget what's going on. In America you focus on the country you're in and then suddenly you return your you. You get this really strong vibe that Oh such and such a thing is happening in America and one of the things that I noticed over that time so while I was in the UK coming back to the US is trump got elected and everybody started tearing their hair out in the UK. All we heard was about how terrible this was now. Everybody was everything was going to die. Constitution was over. It was the constitution was crying. The Statue of Liberty was torn in half like I would come back to the US during those first early trump years. And just be like. Wow everything is going great like. I'm in these burrows like you know I would visit faith your your daughter. My sister you may recall I would visit. I would visit faith. And she's living in this kind of hyper liberal. New York area where everybody thinks the world is falling. And it's like everybody you know. All the stores opening the economy is doing great. Like people are so peaceful and happy. They're raising their kids like we don't even know that's the first thing that was surprising as like we don't even know how good things are fine until of course this this thing here which. I think we're on the outs where we're on our way out of this this thing but coming back to the thing now that I live here again I move move back to l. a. and July guest. Now that I live here at the thing that has really impressed itself upon me is that Americans are actually very sincere people. And that's something that you know. We live in this age of irony and of the Internet and I on on twitter. Basically everyone's constantly snarky but the the people you go out on the street and you you talk to sort of randomly put politics aside whatever you know. They're actually being earnest about trying to live the good life. People people want joy they want to be happy and fulfilled and they also want meaning an philosophy. That's coherent unfortunately. They live in an era and in a culture. That just like doesn't offer them anything. That looks like that so that. I mean a lot of our. I think a lot of our neurosis right now. Aren't that the People Are Somehow. You know wrong or degraded or flawed. It's the people are trying really sincerely and just the you know. They're in the cultural wasteland. We live in this time of cultural. Waste you call your podcast. The young heretics said young heretics DOT com. You hang out at the Claremont review books in the American mind and there are a lot of young folks over there are young conservatives brilliant guys like James Paulo's a POW. He's he's a really smart guy. What what are the one of the. What is the young conservatives? Seeing from old codgers like me that they would like to change that they that they what makes young conservatives opposed to old conservative. This is really interesting because you know if you would ask me that. Maybe a year ago I think my standard response would have been you know conservatives. They they are young conservatives are down on know. They're into the small government. Stop there into being loyal to their lives. They're not so into this social conservatism stuff. They don't want the kind of prudery scolding and all of this old fashioned Baraladei that goes along with some of the older models of conservatism. But now that I've spent some time working for Clermont and kind of getting in on the young conservatives seen here in the US. I actually don't think that's right. I don't think the difference between young and old conservatives is that young conservatives. Just sort of don't care about social conservatism. I think it's the day they want to conservatism. That acknowledges the world as it is but still acknowledges that part of that world is the moral universe so you know it might not look like the nineteen fifties when we finally take back the culture and reshape it in the way that we want and I think that young conservatives ten probably to be a little bit more open minded to some of the some of the social changes that have happened over the last few decades but they. They're not into this kind of libertarian. Shift that that happened. I think in in a lot of mainstream conservatives. They're not into just like take your hands off. Yeah they're not into you know. Take your hands off the government. The government should like the whole state should just absent itself from questions of right and wrong. A lot of conservatives you know all all law is about right and wrong and you may believe that personal liberty. I believe the person liberty is a very important good that the state should be involved in protecting. But that's not the end of the story and I think young conservatives are so starved for that stuff a star for teaching on the good and the moral and the beautiful day. I have to stop you. There am actually out of time. Drop off your house. We can bring liquor bring. Yeah bring liquor and also now that you're making money remembered to support your your parents just good to see you on the young. Eric's at young heretics dot com. I'll talk to you later. Guys Great Steve. Thank you all right folks. I'm out of time. But that means the Cleveland last weekend is about to begin. 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Ep. 962 - The Leftist Art of Murder

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Ep. 962 - The Leftist Art of Murder

"In an emergency conclave held in the ruined castle of duplicity set high on the fog shouted crags of Mount Corruption a coven of American journalists gathered in their ceremonial black robes last night to discuss how to disparage Donald Trump's progress toward peace in the Middle East as lightning repeatedly turned the black clouds a sickly grey as a cinematic symbol of ultimate evil, the chairman of the dark gathering Lord High Master of all fraudulent George Stephanopoulos called the meeting to order by pounding his gavel made from the skull of an inconvenient child by a Democrat politicians mistress on a Pentagram, drawn in the blood of Jeffrey Epstein. Stephanopoulos suggested the trump's Middle East peace deal might be downplayed if the media simply did not ask White House Press Secretary Kaley mcenaney, even a single question that might distract the public from the latest meaningless bombshell from Bob Woodward who attended the meeting in the shape of a bat hanging upside down from stalactites. Dean Bouquet of the New York Times. A former newspaper also attended in his true form slithering across the floor to suggest the journalists might explain to their audience that Middle East peace is a great impediment to the oppressed Palestinians yearning to wipe every Jew off the face of the earth. The suggestion was met with such loud cackling laughter that NBC's Chuck Todd Burst into flame before regaining shape as a cloven tail demon no bigger than a man's fist. CNN's Dana Bash who arrived in a puff of purple smoke dressed in black leather and attended by a snarling Brian stelter Jim. Acosta. Riding in chains suggested that perhaps they could convince the public that peace in the Middle East would lead to war before the gathering could draft a final plan. However, the sun rose breaking through the black shroud of darkness and forcing the entire conclave. Back under their worm ridden rocks, which many of the journals complained was a violation of the First Amendment trigger warning I'm Andrew Klavan this is the Andrew Klavan. Show. Concrete. Thompson. Thompson. zippy's. So wonderful. Who? All right. We are back laughing our way through the fall of the Republic and I'm just you may be wondering why I'm back in studio today it's because I heard Walters in here and I just had to chase them out and disinfect the place and burn some of the furniture. So I just had to take care of that but if you have not subscribed yet. To the Andrew Klavan. Youtube Channel Remember as of September twenty eighth my youtube show will be moved there off the daily wire. It's not because the daily wire and I are parting ways. It's simply because they're a shame to be associated with me as as wouldn't be. So go over and subscribe at helps you've already got one hundred thousand subscribers we're looking at thirty million. And so you want to be the next one. The first first when we get to twenty million, you get a balloon. And that's important. If you leave a comment and is sufficiently Moronic, we will read it on the show just to raise the level of the conversation here we have today speaking of Mirani, from Philip Leroux, who said says I often think of all the airtime you spend telling people how to spell your name wouldn't it be easier just to change the spelling of your name perhaps too something like Smith Actually, you know if I thought it, I would have done it but I just it just never came up with. The Babylon be we where you will find the second funniest satire, available online headline the other day about California it said state that just reduced penalties for defiles not sure why God keeps lighting them on fire. The reference to explain away the joke the reference was to a new California law, which basically erases illegal distinction between men who sleep with underage girls and men who sleep with underage boys. This is an immoral thing to do. So the bees joking that God has set the state's forest on fire as a punishment. Now generally I'm not someone who attributes disasters to God's wrath bad things do happen to good people that just doesn't happen to be the case in California where we're getting what we deserve but during the year like twenty twenty with the pandemic and the black lives matter Antifa riots, the economic downturn exposure of the left to supporting every evil from child abuse to cop killing. It's tempting to wonder if God is just had enough of a world that is rapidly falling away from the true faith. Which Spoiler Alert Christianity There's biblical precedents for this God. Punished an evil world with a universal flood. You remember the story of Noah he destroyed Sodom and Gomorrah for inventing sodomy and he hit the Jews with the babbling Babylonian captivity when they started hanging out with ball nowadays however, Preachers who tribute our troubles to Unbeliev are frowned upon although possibly not by God. My own suspicion at the world is really so infected and infested with sin. Every fiber of its being that disaster is simply part of the system but that doesn't mean there's no punishment for society drifting away from God in fact, drifting away from God is the punishment without God, all the suffering is meaningless without God your fellow man becomes the enemy and without God, your own heart comes to seem even to yourself it comes. To seem irredeemably foul positive, human achievements like fossil fuel and capitalism take on the shape of demons because they're the projected image of yourself. When you hate yourself the good things that human beings do seem bad to you it would be a good idea for the left to stop supporting child abuse and cop-killing. But that won't stop the California wildfires. What it might do is make our blue states just a little bit less like hell. So. Let's talk about stamps dot com because you do not want to go to the post office these days everything want be in your computer, and that's what stamps dot com is a Sam calm brings all the services of the United States Post Office into your computer and snaps. Dot Com also offers ups services with discounts up to sixty two percent and no residential surcharges with stamps dot com, you can use your. Computer to print official US posted twenty, four, seven for any letter package any class of male anywhere. 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This is Newt Gingrich on Harris Faulkner show and you will hear the Lady's voice that you hear at the end is Marie HARF was a liberal commentator Newt gringrich explaining why so many criminals are being released to commit crimes again, as crime goes up, the murder rate is going up in democratic cities across the country. Here's newt explaining why part of why that's happening? The number one problem in almost all these cities is George Soros elected left wing anti police, pro criminal district attorneys who refuse to keep people locked up. Just yesterday they put somebody back on the street who's wanted for two different murders in New York City. You cannot solve this problem and both powers and Bhai. Have talked very proudly about what they call progressive did district attorney's progressive. This attorneys are anti police, pro criminal and overwhelmingly elected with George, sources money and they're a major cause of the violence we're seeing who's acheived putting the violent criminals back on the streak. I'm not sure we need to bring us into this. I was going to get the last word, acre. Even, if he paid for it. Why can't we discussed the fact that millions of dollars I agree Alexa. Doesn't need to be part of this conversation. Okay. So it's ver- boat, right? To mention the George Soros has in fact, been funding these DA's these laxed as who look for opportunities to charge police with acts of malfeasance but look also for opportunities to release criminals back into this into the society and also take away systems like bail which keep them in prison where they belong. We can't mentioned George Soros and by the way if you. Couldn't see it Marie HARF The prissy look of self righteousness on her face. When she says, we're not going to mention George. Soros was quite something to behold. Why aren't we going to mentioned George Soros because George Soros is an evil doer who uses his money to do evily has been doing evil for a longtime. He believes America is the problem with the world. He is also in the most. I random sense of the word I ju- I, mean he's not a religious Jew. He's anything Butter Religious Jew? And he is a collection it is absolutely true. He is a collection of anti Jewish anti-semitic cliches. He's a collection of anti-semitic cliches. He stateless he believes in being stateless they call cosmopolitan he has no loyalty to any state. He uses money to operate behind the scenes. He's very wealthy and uses that money to influence politics. He is an fact. Of Antisemitic, jokes I mean if you may if you know if you've got one of those Hitlerian pamphlets and it described US redoing, it would be what George Soros who's doing. Well, you know there's a reason for this and we're going to talk about it but the fact is when you allow racism to. Come into your thoughts at all you start to do crazy stuff like silence Newt Gingrich telling the simple truth and I will explain to why it is in fact the simple truth. George Soros is not evil because he's Jewish, but he is a Jew who does very bad things and does them in a way that CA- plays into these stereotypes. Stereotypes do not come out of nowhere stereotypes are people's And I always say about big it's it's not. It's not the biggest are wrong about the people they hate that they're wrong about themselves. We all suck. That's the point it's not. Worse than anybody else is that everybody's terrible and if you pick a group and if you look at them in terms of their culture, it's really not race it's culture. If you look at them in terms of their culture, they are going to exhibit traits that are in keeping with that culture and can be turned into stereotypes. George source is a case in point a black mugger is a case in point wasp was an elitist bigot is a case in point these things all exist they're all real you can't ignore them because and. Say Oh because you're picking on the sky it's antisemitic. I once did a a roast for Ben Shapiro and it was at a Jewish gathering and my one of my jokes was I said, you know there's a horrible and it really is a horrible and antisemitic liable. It's called the blood libel. The idea that Jews kill Christian children to make their Mozza and I said you know it's a terrible thing to accuse Jews of this just because there's something Shapiro happens to enjoy and the joke of course is that individuals do bad things. And they are not exempt from those things because of their race. So hot air did an excellent article today and it quotes it basically backs up what? Newt. Gingrich says here from the New York Times a district attorney race on the banks of Lake Ontario has become an unlikely big money referendum on traditional law and order prosecutors much like similar battles in Boston Philadelphia and Queens New York the race in Monroe County pits a Republican incumbent Sandra doorly against an insurgent challenger Shawny career Mitchell a progressive newcomer who has drawn the attention and backing. From the billionaire George Soros since early October Mr sources spent more than eight hundred thousand dollars on ads in this little race. Here's The Philadelphia Inquirer. Also, last year, George Soros is back in Pennsylvania politics with a new one, million dollar investment and one hundred thousand of that is being spent in support of another Democrat seeking to become a district attorney Soros also spent money on Da Races in Virginia going back to two thousand sixteen politico published a story about source desire to reform the criminal justice system by spending money to elect progressive prosecutors. this is from political wall. America's political kingmakers inject their millions into high profile, presidential and congressional contest. Democratic Mega Donor George sources directed his wealth into an under the radar two thousand sixteen campaign to advance one of the progressive movement's core goals re shaping the American justice system in Saint. Louis. Sources don't donate money on and on and on now again as I say the racists are racist or not wrong about. The people they hate were all hateful. They're wrong about themselves their hateful to. So if you're pointing to somebody, this is why you judge not lest you be judged if you're pointing to somebody else you're not paying attention to the things that you can change. So what we are seeing now and the reason I bring this up, it's not just to go after George. Soros I'm always happy to go after George Soros. It is because murderer is on the rise yours from Paul Castle The Wall Street Journal. He's a college professor in Utah cities across the country suffered dramatic increases in homicides this summer, and and this is important because this happened back in the eighties and nineties and I was there the seventies, eighties and nineties I lived in New York at the time, it was deadly dangerous to be in New York murders were on the rise and people. Did something. There was a reason it happened and there was a reason it went away. But let's just look for a minute of what's happening now, cities across the country suffered dramatic increases in homicides this summer the spikes were remarkable, suddenly appearing and widespread although often concentrated in disadvantaged neighbourhoods. This year is on track to be the deadliest year for gun related homicides since at least nineteen, ninety nine now that for people who follow crime that. Is a magic number. It is in the nineties when this finally was turned around. So if we're going back to nineteen ninety nine, we are going very much in the wrong direction this homicide reading again from castle, the homicide spikes began in late May before may twenty eighth Chicago had almost the same number of homicides as in twenty nineteen. Then on May thirty first eighteen people were murdered in Chicago. The city's most valuable day six decades. Violence, continued through the summer July was Chicago's most violent month in twenty eight years as of September. First murder is up fifty, two percent for the year according to Chicago Police Department data. Now, last weekend, it was I think there were fifty six shootings in Chicago and thirteen fatalities. Here is the police superintendent I think is, what's his name? David? Brown is I think that's his name yet David Brown explaining why this is going on. One of the shootings this weekend will someone we had arrested for possessing illegal gun. So this person is in that number. And they're all traffic monitoring and they shoot they're involved in shooting six people are shot. And, this person has seven felonies. And yet. They're out on the streets in our neighborhoods. On the traffic monitoring. What are we doing? I mean. It's beyond frustrating. It's makes your blood boil. If you're one of those victims to a person that's out of General Electric? Monitoring that had previously seven felonies and was arrested by Chicago police officers and is gone wants recovering for possessing illegal gun. He's a felony possession of a gun and yet he's out of jail. Can Is there anyone who can look at this American law officer and when he says, it's beyond frustrating makes your blood will and not feel what he's talking about. Can you not feel what it is to be a police officer whose job is to keep the streets safe whose job is to keep the people safe who look out and say, this is my city. I am here to keep it safe. Who Take the risks that they do who pay you know and I've talked about this before the worst thing we ask of the police, the thing we asked the police that is the most painful is not to risk their lives that they do risk. Their lives, it is sincere reality as it is without cer- Cisse without any rest. They see reality in a way I don't in a way you don't they look at the human nature at its lowest possible level. I've known a lot of cops it gets them over time. It wears away at their faith that wears away their faith in humanity is a very difficult thing to do and to face all that and to take all that on four society for the sake of society and have some clown of a Soros Back Da. Let this guy back out to kill again has got to drive you crazy and there is something else driving the police. Crazy. CHICAGO, I'm going back to this. This article in the Wall Street Journal Chicago Shooting Spike the flex what is happening in Maine, many major cities across the country researchers have identified a structural break in homicide numbers beginning in the last week of May trends for most other major crime categories have remained generally stable or move slightly downward. What changed in late May? The anti police protests began across the country around may twenty seven appear to have resulted in a decline in policing directed at gun violence producing perhaps unsurprisingly an increase in shooting this is heather McDonald. You know she talks about the Saint Louis effect but what is the? Ferguson effect that when the riots happened the police draw back, right. The police drawback here is what he says in the article, the sequence of events, straightforward George, Floyd's death while in police custody in Minneapolis produced demonstrations against the police in major cities from coast to coast as a result officers in most cities had to be redeployed from their normal duties to help manage the protests, some of which turned violent and the violence spread. This is as I. Say now they're calling the minneapolis effect that's what he calls his article but have MacDonald called at the Ferguson effect because of the riots in Ferguson. Spurred on by Barack Obama, and this narrative that the police are somehow hunting down black people, which is just untrue and I'll get back to that in a minute. But here's the thing it is. An attitude is so much of this is an attitude here. Here's trump talking about the attitude of the police on the left as opposed to his attitude. I. Don't know if you remember this, maybe this only happen when I was a kid when I was a kid, they taught you the policeman is your friend and then that that has changed and is certainly has changed in in the black community. I get to trump in just a minute I'll get to the trump and just a minute. But when the cops feel that they are the friends of the people in the neighborhood. It makes it much harder for them to do their job. It makes them more reluctant to do their job, and that's a narrative. It is a narrative that is killing policing in the country. We have a new sponsor, my pillow and I really happy to get to talk about my Paul as you know, my pillow I, don't sleep I. Don't ever sleep. So I just WANNA be comfortable. So I got this my pillow and you hear a lot about my pillow because we Mike Lindell right Mike Lindell's this guy he was a drug addict and yet he. 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Used to be what your mom taught you. The policeman is your friend. You can go to a cop if you're in trouble and a lot of black people feel like, no, the policeman's my enemy. That's a narrative that they get. The kids are afraid of the cops and they're afraid to go to the cops and what do you think that does to these communities and what's so hilarious about this is the. Wages of leftist policy left is like this all the time they want the policy, and then when the bad stuff comes down, they don't want to be blamed for the policy. In fact, is bad of you is wrong of you to blame them for the policy in Minneapolis remember there were defunding the police in Minneapolis big speeches they pledged to defend the police. They had a meeting of the Minneapolis. City, council who pledged they pledged to defend the police and it? was supposed to be a meeting on police reform but for much of the two hour meeting council members told police chief McDowell our redondo that their constituents are complaining they're seeing and hearing street racing, which sometimes results is in crashes their brazen daylight car jacking robberies, assaults, and shootings, and the asked Dondo. What the department is doing about it residents are asking where are the police said Jamal newly elected council member of ward six I mean all of the crime in. Minneapolis is going up after they defend the police after they threatened and pledged to defend the police and they're saying where the police that wear classic leftism is classic leftism they WanNa do the policy because the policy makes them feel good. It makes them feel virtuous their ideas, their following their ideas of virtue, and then when the policy is a disaster instead of saying. Bad idea they blame other people for blaming them. Jason Riley. He's a he's at the Manhattan Institute. He writes column for The Wall Street Journal he is a black and he writes tension between police i. mean he's just telling the truth there tension between police and low income blacks results from the extremely high violent crime rates in poor black neighborhoods. Racial disparities in police shootings are driven by racial disparities in criminal behavior not by racist cops targeting black men sound of. Truth Bell ringing talking about police. Department diversity is another way to avoid talking about the underlying problem of black criminal behavior. If liberals really thought that more diverse police brought departments where the answer they would be they wouldn't be hounding black police chief out of jobs, which is what they are doing, and you know this is this is starting to tell in the polls law and order starting to be A. An issue in the polls. And Dan Henninger Rights Day says a MONMOUTH poll out this week finds sixty five percent of respondents say that maintaining law and order is a big problem. But listen to this the polls self identified party affiliations are twenty-eight percent Republican forty percent independent and thirty one percent democratic. But here's the elections ticking time bomb among non Republican blacks and other minorities within sixty percent. Agree the civil. Disorder has become a big big issue while just forty six percent of white non Republicans see it as a problem because they're living in nicer neighborhoods. All right. They're living in nicer neighborhoods. So they don't see the problem, the problem, the shootings you can go and burn down other people's stores but the shootings are going to take place in these neighborhoods because that's where the crime is. So the left has a theory before I get into this, let's let's pause for just a minute and talk about Gabby Insurance, right? 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We have confused the the idea that to achieve safety you put more cops on the street instead of understanding to achieve safe and healthy communities. You put more resources into the public education system of those communities into foible housing into homeownership into access to capital for small businesses, access to healthcare regardless of of how much money people have. That's how you achieve safe and healthy communities, and so we really do need to understand and re imagine what and how we can actually make an help make community safe I just WANNA point out by the way that every time Kamala Harris uses the word conversation. That's when she starts lying. It's. A tell in poker they call the tell people have these little things they do reveal with their have a good hand or not and Hertel is uses the word conversation. That's when that's when she starts lying also in her mouth is moving. That's the other time she start lying but conversation is all right. So she says the problem is in police see this is the funny thing. This was their theory in the sixties. These were their exact same bad idea theories in the sixties. This was what led to the crimewave that made the seventies, eighties nineties intolerable in cities until they brought in not just more police they brought in. Integrated Police police that look more like the neighborhood where so they brought him more black cops more cops color. They brought in com stat, which was a way of looking at where the crime was. They brought onsite hotspot policing. So they would go into flood the places where the crime was with police and they brought in a quality of life policing so that they didn't do broken windows policing is call so that if they were little crimes like graffiti and breaking windows they. Stop the vandalism because that helped bring down the the general crime because it made the neighborhood look more livable and a better place to be. So all of that stuff they did in the seventies and eight in the eighties and nineties when finally Giuliani came into New York, transformed it, and this is what they now call What do they call it? They call it mass incarceration wasn't mass incarceration was arresting people for committing crimes listen again though to what Kamala Harris says. Where things are better and why they're better this was cut sixteen. Here's the bottom line if you contrast. Many communities which are have a heavy presence of police to middle and upper middle class suburbs in America. You will not see that presence of police but would you will see you will see families who have an income that allows them to get through the end of the month. You will see good public schools. You will see people who have access to healthcare and can afford it. You will see people who have jobs, and so this has to be the conversation. So what? He's been more crime in the suburbs because people have jobs because they have families who care about the public schools they have families, they have mothers and fathers they live any different way. It's the behaviors that create the crime and listen I am not blaming poor people for the problems of being poor there a real problems and being poor, you can't just be one. Of these conservatives who says Oh you know if you just if you just get an education and get married and don't have kids out of wedlock, everything will be fine. If your mom's a crack, you dad, you've never seen your dad, it's hard to do. That is really hard to live in these neighborhoods, but you can't just go in and give people money and. Give people things and and give them housing and expect them to change their behavior. That is what the left has been doing all this time. That's why the economy crashed because they were giving loans to people who couldn't pay them back. 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Cooked Nashville. Go. On. And subscribe. So I brought on Spencer Clayton no relation. I. It was just wandering outside and I dragged him in here because he has been talking about stuff on his podcast young Eric's which you can find it young heretics. com that is really telling young here heretics does basically talks about classic Culture Western culture. and. It applies some of the things that we find in the classics to the world as it is today. Who Are you? Now that I'm here in the studio in person I have to confess I do see certain. By assured. Purely. Coincidental. That's why I've grown all. Hair? So no one can tell us about it could see. Somebody. told me. I was going to we're my water. Ledger. told. So you've been talking about something that I'm really interested in and it really does apply what we're talking about is the change in civilization. Where basically we hand over the right of revenge to the state, and there's a great series of plays the or a style. The basically talks about that snap to talk a little bit about this. You're going I. Know what you like this because this is about evenging a father's murder. I'm the guy who that voice revenge. Right at. The end of this you're GONNA get buried under a cave. So. Right one of the great great I mean truly one of the great triumphs of Greek. Tragedy to trilogy of plays people you know sometimes think it's just one. It's actually three different plays basically about what happens when Agamemnon of the Greek forces the kind of Greek. Returns home to our Goss to find that his wife has been sleeping with another man. Now he's bought another woman home to he's brought Cassandra home but Clytemnestra his wife is there. She's basically ready to ambush and kill him which she does. She do the accomplishes and she says that she's doing it because. Agamemnon had killed their daughter in order to basically a Human Zakrzewski. Together at the beginning of this whole thing, you have this this blood debt, essentially, the cost has been incurred. Nobody's ever paid for it and including US I'm GonNa make you pay for it by killing, but she does traps in the house. Arrest the son of Agamemnon Clinton Esther has been away. He comes back. He's he must now avenge his father's murder that have to do that the gods have told him he has to do it. So he asked to do it. He does that now he's a mother killer, and so you just have the cycle that goes on and on, and this is the way people live in Afghanistan they still there tribes fighting three hundred year old feuds revenge just keep the blood that just keeps going back exactly the justice of blood that's the right word for it, and so this the play is basically about what to do with that. Okay. It's performed remember in Athens, which is the kind of the birthplace of democracy as we understand, and they're very big into kind of civil law and Judicata things by law they're trying to figure out how they solve the well, right? Okay. So arrestees is pursued driven mad by the fury God that goddess is blood that essentially the goddess a vengeance and he is told to seek help in Athens with Athena the patron goddess of Athens who comes and basically judges a court case. We're not gonNA decide this murder. We're GONNA decide it by vote during. The jury Split Athena decides in favor of arrestees and she takes fury's and basically transforms them. So the spirits of blood that become these kind of strange worshiped goddess, his under a under a underhill in a cave, and so this charge the moment in the same way let like genesis charts, the moment of beginning of society. Yeah. This charts the moment when people say instead of vengeance culture that we're going to turn over the power vengeance to the law. Yes. The invention of the police exactly right. But the thing to note about is so brilliant and the symbolism is that that doesn't come without a cost. Kind of byproduct and the by product is these furious that have gotten trapped under a cave. You have to kind of revere these strange, the his phonic that come from the earth you know these dark forces under the and those are the forces of revenge have been locked away in order to make society works. We don't just have to kill each other for generations and generations. Amazing. The studio now contains the only two people on Earth were. Only go. Deep within the. Okay. So so the point is now that the furious have gone. They become kind of the subconscious. Yeah of the and they come out front you were talking I. I heard your show yesterday about. The buckeye and that's kind of these fury's away coming up at least this is buried idea back to the surface. It's the same forces. The Greeks didn't didn't really have an idea of the subconscious in the way that that we have long. But they have this idea that this these forces come back and you have to somehow find a way of acknowledging that there without letting them destroy. The. What's amazing to me about this is it tells you everything you need to know about why people are tearing down statues right now this is so people are out in the streets or they have been for longtime rioting tearing statues down why to avenge the sin of racism and you hear Ibrahim X. can use one of the great sort of anti-racist prophets now said in order to. Make atoned for the sin of racism is sin of slavery we need reparations we need the riots in the streets we need this great national reckoning. They think that something new it's the oldest of justice in the book. Once you tear the statues down, you raise the fury's up out of their cave and there's no end to it. Just you know it's a really interesting point at that. Basically, these are the statues that mark the transition from revenge to law guess it's also true too when you think about. A lot of these places where there's a lot of gang activity gangs operate on vengeance on blood that culture and the police are basically coming in saying, no, you have to come in and give that power over to the beliefs. We will solve the murder you. I mean everything that's supposed to be this new utopia this never before seen your oldest, you know tribal. So. We both have this philosophy that everything has a cost and what when you tear down these statues. You're basically saying something about the country you live in this. kind of that. You have something better which I've I've never heard of something better. But like but but what does it mean to our sense of ourselves as nation when you start tearing down statues attacking history saying everything is sixteen nineteen traditional. Yeah. I mean for a while. Now the left has been doing this and it's kind of an old marxists trick basically to infiltrate the schools and teach people that the founding history of your nation is is evil. What we forgot forget we think that we can preserve things just by telling the fact. Well, this happened this happened this happened the left understands merit. So they are here the reason, the writing sixty, nine, nineteen project, the reason they're doing all that stuff is because they don't want to tell you and and the author of Project Nicole Hannah Jones has said this explicitly were not your you history. We're here to take control of the story you tell about yourself. She said it's. At. least honest. Terrible. She's very very honest. But if you read our twitter quite clear, she's claimed the riots as the sixteen ninety riots. She was very happy to have that said about her. And the reason for that is that and this is something by the way that Herodotus the father of history. The Great Greek historian really knew you write history not just to preserve facts to preserve glory and color and to tell stories and when you when you re preserved, not just not just the facts of what happened but the the legends people tell about the folklore, the way that we enshrine George Washington these. You know of Great Grecian statues and all of our sectors. So these kinds of portrayals of our founders as heroes you convey something else is true about the founding, which is that it was noble and good and Glorious and when you tear those things down, what you're basically trying to do is make people forget that make people believe that it was evil so they'll think of themselves as evil and roll over and die. You mentioned Herodotus. Who is one of my favorite I love Herodotus. And but it's been so long since I've read. Herodotus covers what period okay. So base I mean, the thing people look from four is the Persian right this is the fact it's kind of the opening of the classical high classical period because Greeks at this point, we're just a bunch of tribes in these kind of rocky outcroppings forming different cities. and. Basically, they pissed off this giant empire to the east the Persian Empire Darius was the great king whom they they really angered, and so he sent this giant force to wipe them out and they several times both in four ninety and then at four eighty. They sent these little tiny expeditionary forces fighting basically for the freedom of the Greeks from the Persians, and they want that's what Herodotus telling you the story of the origin really of Greece of greatness. They made this movie three hundred which I forced you to see remember what he came out. Is the only movie when I was kid watched a movie twice in one week 'cause I loved Alfred Hitchcock and so he brought on a movie. This is the only other movie I've ever watched gone to go into. Because I saw it without you and then I came back and you were still living. Oh I remember. Did, you say you have any right right and the whole point of that movie though that I mean when they buried the three hundred spartans who stood for what was it three days against? Massive. Force with Cirque sees the king losers the the they they said you know here `obedient to Spartans laws we lie and that's so it was actually even though they died even though they were martyred there were martyred for a sense of civic. Yeah. Now this is right. So this is we're going to talk about this on an episode I haven't taped Yep we're GONNA do episode of this on young heretics. Three Hundred Leonidas the spartan king who stands down stands against Surtees, the giant encroaching force of Persia, and as you say they, they basically sacrificed themselves to slow the Persians down they were the persons were advancing from the North into the south to get the Greeks and they. Ruled their three hundred bodies essentially at the person's to stop that from happening. Three hundred the reason hundreds of great. You know on the Internet you have the actually guy with big classes as well. This is true of. Many things in three hundred actually happening quite the way and the sequence you they compress things they take things from other periods and put them that famous dishes Sparta moment can happened ten years before but you know. The reason that it's great and true to Herodotus. Is because the way that they compress things in the way that they make them larger than life these big burly. In his SPARTANS is true to Herodotus Vision, which is to preserve the Greek, where he says, he does want events to become exit Tayla which means like. Faded out like like a painting that fades over time he knows that the glory of these events, what it was like to be there is going to get lost unless you records this depiction of that's what three hundred it's actually carrying on Rogers Vision in the modern it's really interesting. I mean this is why this is why you should listen to the heretics podcast young heretics dot com because they're doing the best to erase this culture which reminds us of where. We come from and how great we are and why we have to keep it alive. Spencer Klavan. No relation is also the assistant editor of the Claremont Review of books and the American mind the Claremont Review of books is the only magazine or whatever journal that i. read literally from cover to cover I read every single article in it is that good and it's gotten even better now that they have Spencer, there's editor in the American mind is also excellent. It's a younger version of sort of the clamp review books go young heretics, dot com to find that podcast. Come back here to hear me again really doesn't matter because the Cleveland last weekend is upon you. There will be willing that will be gnashing of teeth you will be cast out into the exterior darkness survivors gather here on Monday for the Andrew Klavan show I am Andrew Clay. Enjoyed this episode don't forget to subscribe, and if you want to help spread the word, give it a five star review and also tell your friends to subscribe to were available on Apple podcasts on spotify wherever you listen to podcasts. 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Ep. 759 - What Epstein & Brexit Tell Us

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I'm andrew claybin and this is the andrew klavan shop also senior. Can you should see topsy turvy so all right hooray hurrah we we are back and i hope you all had a wonderful long weekend today. I'm going to take a big picture. Look at the fight. I think we're in. I think the epstein case brexit are both part of that that same phenomenon but before i do that or as part of that i just want to reiterate what i guess is one of the themes of this podcast which is the way that bad ideas. Take you down to road the road to hell. I saw a story on twitter over the weekend about a group of pro abortion demonstrators in chile who burned baby dolls in effigy asia at a protest. I couldn't believe that was true. It sounded like one of those right wing fantasy so i decided to check it with a pro-abortion website and i was saddened to see yes. There was the video it was true and the website was making excuses for the protesters after all they were saying they weren't bring babies. They were just burning dolls. Also i admit old as i am. I still get a little shock not that people degrade themselves and become steeped in wickedness but that they can't see it that they're blind to what they've become. The good people do terrible things in the grip of bad ideas to burn something in effigy is an act of mockery and protests with obvious ties to homeopathic think magic homeopathic magic is the most primitive kind of magic. It's the idea that if you do something to an image of something you do it to the thing itself like voodoo. When you stab a doll the hurt the person listen so if you're a passionate pro-abortion advocate it might make some sort of moral sense to burn an image of your political opponents effigy. Someone who's against abortion russian but to burn the image of child is to reveal a very unpleasant truth about who you've turned yourself into supporting abortion is not incomprehensible. Women want want to be free and they want to be equal and they aren't free of their biology and thereby apology isn't equal to the biology of men's. It's not the same so that gets in their way. I understand that problem. Well unfortunately abortion as a solution is a moral nonsense. You're killing an innocent human being to achieve your goal. It doesn't matter if the person you to kill can't play checkers yet or make preference choices. It doesn't even matter if they feel pain or not. It's an innocent human person. You're exterminating him. That's morally wrong wrong so the protesters were right in is the baby that's their problem and it's the baby that's their enemy. They're in a battle against the facts of life. The fact of the baby is in their way the fact that sex as consequences the fact of motherhood and it's unique and even sacred responsibilities the fact of being a female human being by lying to themselves about this to get the result they want pro-abortion. 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One is the jeffrey epstein case which is getting more and more not to mention more bizarre and the other is brexit which is coming up october over thirty. I is now the deadline for brexit and we're not going to get into the highways of british politics because i know it's complicated to figure out the parliamentary system but it's easy to see what's going on over. Are there and it really these really hard in some ways the same story so first of all the epstein case the latest incredible break on this is that this model agency boss the seventy two year old guy named john luke brunell right who has been suspected of recruiting <hes> models for jeffrey jeffrey epstein sex ring right the french cuisine over his ties to epstein from the new york post as part of their own probe into the late financier who had a house in paris <hes> <hes> and the guy has thanet okay. The guy has just vanished. This is a legal source in paris. He is a ghost who has disappeared without a trace ace. This is brunell has discovered some of the big names in modeling including christy turlington and angie everhart and investigators have made inquiries throughout the u._s. and europe as well as brazil with frenchman scene looking for girls just three months before <hes> epstein was arrested and the guy has just disappeared. This is a big big deal right. <hes> a epstein invested a million bucks to help launch brunell is miami based modeling firm and they accused him of in return of giving a supply of girls on tap according according to one lawsuit even allegedly sending him three twelve year old girls as a sick birthday present okay and so this is this comes on top of the the <hes> the cameras to cameras believe it is now that didn't work or said to have unusable footage in the prison where epstein hanged himself <hes> and you know people get keep getting accused of being conspiracy theorists because the <hes> m. E says oh well it what he did hang himself. He wasn't murdered but look we know from. I'm watching the godfather to think it was that they can reach you in prison. They can make they can make it so it is worth your while to hang yourself. I'm sure he has family. I'm sure he's other people out there and what we know about. This right is an order for the sky to operate as long as he did. He was connected to some incredibly powerful. People book not just here but in britain probably in france people who came to town and sent him little tax that said i'm staying at this hotel. That's it why because he was a reap pimp he was somebody who pimped little girls twelve thirteen fourteen year old underage girls to people who wanted to use them and that is rape and its statutory rape but it's rape all the same especially look. It's one thing if a fifteen year old is sleeping with a fourteen year old that could be unwise is it could be many things may be illegal but it's not the same thing as these very rich very powerful people and you know this is something i've said this before i said at the minute this case case hit hit and i told you about the fact that <hes> another kingdom which is coming up in october early october. We're gonna start to record this week. In fact <hes> ah ah i plotted this novel years ago and it is about a story so similar to the epstein case that it's really remarkable. I wasn't even thinking about the epstein case when i wrote it but i did notice that this is something that elites do they use little girls and boys. They use little girls and boys for sex. People people who get power do this is something that they do and they do it and they stopped thinking about the fact that it's wrong and they stopped thinking about the power differential. That's what they stop thinking about. They stop thinking about the very factor of using the you know this this audiotape an audio interview of quentin tarantino talking to howard stern about about roman polanski a has resurfaced on jessie belle their website as well from two thousand three. It has come out before but it's worth playing again. Remember remember in two thousand nine. <hes> roman polanski who ray drugged and sodomized a thirteen year old girl he gave her pills and booze and then and sodomized her and the woman the girl is now. A woman says she forgives him. She wants to let it go but he was convicted and he blew the country and he has never faced justice and at one point he was picked up in switzerland and all of a tutu hollywood led by harvey weinstein in two thousand nine signed a petition demanding his release. He ultimately was not extradited to the united states to face justice and this was all of hollywood standing up for him woody allen sign that petition all the the usual suspects at harvey wanting this is when he said <hes> you know hollywood should be the moral arbiter because hollywood has compassion okay. This is when that's when he said that here's the state that has resurface quentin tarantino talking to howard stern y. This wasn't right. He didn't rape a thirteen years statutory rape. How can you defend. I don't understand how come hollywood embraces this madman as director who raped the thirteen year old. Isn't that statutory rape. You know oh he had sex with a with a minor all right. That's not rape to me when you use the word rape arranged talking about violet throwing them down the most violent crimes in the world. You can't throw you throwing. The word rape around is throwing the racist around okay. It doesn't apply to everything that people use it for all right you know he was guilty of having sex with a minor that she didn't want to have no that was not the case at all she wanted to have it will dated day to day to the guy and he was thirteen not and found out by the way we're talking about america's morals. We're not talking about the morals in europe and everything <hes> china with a thirteen year old girl and when you're in a grown man that that's wrong because booze you can look. She was down with it. She was down with it all right. We're gonna talk gotta. Impact this because there's a lot to it. Let us talk about helix sleep. I'd love the helix. Sent me a mattress high. Love this mattress. It is so comfortable it's different. It's different than other mattresses and you can tailor it to exactly what you want. 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That's helix sleep dot com slash cleveland for up to one hundred and twenty five bucks off your mattress order helix sleep dot com slash claim. I'm and you can lie awake all night. If you want to like me just ask yourself. How do you spell cleveland k. L. lakeview ease in klavan. I just make it look. This incredibly easy is the thing about what tarantino said a lot of things about it but one important thing rape is a stripping of a person's will the reason season. We think it is such a horrible crime. It's really right under murderers and when you think about the harsh horrible crimes it's not the violence makes it worse. There's no question using violence makes everything worse always. It's always a violence always a bad thing but it's the scripting of persons will if you know this. This is a point that's also in the first volume of another kingdom is that the actions that you take in rape theoretically can be the exact same actions that you take making love. You may not use physical violence you might i use a gun say to subdue somebody. Simply threats simply intimidation simply extortion all the kinds of things. I'll give you this job. If you have sex with all the kinds of things you can do to take away away. A person's will the difference between rape and making love is the woman's will because she's an independent individual who has the right to make make decisions about what happens to her. That's the crime that's the crime of rape so when you do this to a thirteen year old who cannot make those decisions when you do it with drugs drugs and and alcohol to boot you are committing rape and tarantino's wrong so fascinating about this if you go and see tarantino's latest movie he knows no. He's wrong because the thing is you can't tell an immoral story. More immorality will always catch up with you in a story because people will react to it badly. They won't react the way you want them to in his new movie once upon a time in hollywood. There's a wonderful scene is one of the best teams in the picture where he underage girl gets in the car with brad pitt who's kind of a loser in life and she offers herself to him and he says no. It's not that she's not appealing because she is. She's a very pretty sexy girl of in the picture on all all the actress has been in the picture. She's fifteen and the minute he says no. You know he's the hero of the movie you know it the minute you know he says it and tarantino's it so maybe he's changed overtime. I hope that's true. I mean there's been a lot of accusations against him that he mistreats people but the point is power and the individual when tarantino is talking on that audiotape tape he has forgotten he has forgotten the obligation to let the individual thrive. He says this american morals not european morals. What the hell is he talking about. We're far far more puritanical than the europeans but we know too that the you know. This is what the whole country is based on. It's based on individual individual freedom rape deprives people of that freedom and that's why what is happening in england right now is one of the biggest stories i october thirty first the deadline i think we should all be watching it and we don't watch it because we don't watch because it's england and as far away and what we know i'd rather hear you know new. York is just this far away from here as england is from new york so we don't care that much about it but still still it is it is a test of whether or we're not individuals can take back power. You know there's a wonderful wonderful story about <hes> article about this in the claremont review of books by christopher called while i think it's called why <unk> hasn't brexit happened and i highly recommend it is always i recommend the claremont review of books now. I have to add the adviser the <hes> the warning that my my son is now an editor over there but before he even thought of being an editor over there. I always soldier clermont. Review books is one of the great journals and you can get a lot of it online <hes> for free but what you should subscribe again but he called la. Has this <hes> article about this where he explains what's going on so there was this powerful powerful fear campaign against brexit. If you do this the economy's gonna crash. You know your children will burn you know the world will fall apart if you leave the e._u. Of britain leaves the e._u. Everything will go wrong but thus when when it happened turn out for the election caldwell says was massive and fifty two percent to forty eight percent victory was extraordinary. That's a big a big difference. The seventeen point four million people who voted to leave the e._u. With the largest number of britons had ever voted for anything he has the largest number of britain's ever voted for anything so into recent may took over and she was not pro brexit why they gave her the premiership. I don't know why she became prime minister. I don't know but she said you know. Brexit means brexit but she didn't mean it and she got herself in such a tangle with the e._u. By the time she was finished leaving brexit exit gave the britain's less power less self-governance then <hes> then stain would have given them so like she basically left her office in tears and in disgrace because she didn't do the one thing the one thing that the british people had demanded that she do all this stuff about. Let's have another referendum an the old old e._u. Trick constantly want votes until they get the vote that they want and then there are no more votes so they know that that's a lie and people won't fall for this so now boris johnson has taken charge of the conservative party and he is this kind of wild man very you know they they compare them to trump because he's got the funny hair and he's kind of offbeat <hes> and all this but he is an oxford educated guy you know and he's been in the elites but he has said he is going to make brexit happened here here. He is i would everybody tonight there on new circumstances in which i will ask brussels today. We're leaving on the thirty first of taber no gifts or buts. We will not act sect any attempt to go back on our promises scrub that referendum and home along with that conviction. I believe we will get a deal at that crucial summit in october a deal that parliament parliament will be able to scrutinize okay without getting too much into the high weeds about british politics right the thing is here's what he's saying is as if we are willing to leave without a deal and remember what what the e._u. is basically a series of trade negotiations that comes at a price right. It comes at the price that brussels russel's gets to make your laws okay. Brussels makes the law and you that basically ca can supersede british law can supersede national law in certain circumstances so he is saying we have to show that we're willing to leave without a deal but then we will negotiate because theresa may they did. She went with hat in hand and said. Please let us leave in the e._u. Doesn't want them to leave because once they leave then all the countries can leave the e._u. Is could be finished. People want to to govern themselves so here's the difference in caldwell just makes this case. So what what what's happening now is they're starting to pass try to pass laws that will keep him from from leaving on the thirty first that will delay the vote again and was put johnson has said if you do that if you try to stop me. I'm going to hold a general election okay. This is obviously part of the parliamentary idea he can hold a general election which he believes will give him more strength in parliament and tony blair is in a panic because the left remember. The left is now run by this horrible guy jeremy corbyn. He's an anti semite as a communist basically and tony blair says no don't go for the general the election laying a trap to seem pushed into an election while stack from the preparing for one and they do this because they know there are two issues. Some british politics not wanting. We should be frank about it. One is brexit. The other has been lebron leadership. It is the interplay between these two issues that has reshaped and defined british politics of the past three to four years. Boris johnson knows that if no deal briggs it stands on its owners of proposition position it might well fail but if he mixes it up with the brexit question and the corbin question together in general election aw he could succeed despite the majority being against a no deal brexit because some fear corbin premiership more now remember member. That's so that's easy to understand. He's mixing up the corbin question with the brexit. Question and blair doesn't want that to happen because he believes that he can defeat the no odeal brexit but to defeat the no deal brexit. Remember just takes away boris. Johnson's negotiating power is negotiating power is that he's willing to leave and without without the no deal brexit. He may not do a no deal brexit but without that he can't negotiate the brexit at all as to what they're really trying to do is they're trying to stop brexit from leaving leaving the e._u. Why that's the question. What does that have to do with the jeffrey epstein case. I'll tell you in just a second but first. Let's talk about wise foods. Wise foods are you're is a company takes an innovative approach to providing dependable simple and affordable freeze dried food for emergency preparedness and outdoor use. You need this. Why because wherever you live. There's always some disaster that could happen that first responders may not get to you in a law in for a long time it could be hours. It could be days it could be. We gotta have food on hand. That doesn't mean the end of the world that just means for the next two days three days. You've got to be able to feed your family. When govern government resources are strained. It can be a long time. You can't rely on somebody else. 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So call christopher caldwell in the clemma clam up review of books points this out that the transfer from british parliamentary law to e._u. Law is a transfer for from democracy from parliamentary democracy to court law and what does he mean by that. The british don't have what we have. The supreme court they have the house of lords a little bit not wanna get into that but basically when the parliament passes a law. That's the law. No judge can strike the law down not like we have we have we can strike because we have that overarching written constitution against which laws can be judged so the parliamentary british parliament is more democratic in some ways then our congress you send a guy you delegate a guy to govern the country for you you you give him the power for you. You say you are representing me in my little locale to talk to go in and vote for me and my neighbors the as my representative that's representative democracy quote democracy court rule means that there are rights that that people have that the court can decide whether you're violating this is why conservatives oppose things like oberkfell that gives that says gay marriage is a constitutional right roe v wade says abortions a constitutional right with your four or against gay marriage and abortion doesn't matter what matters is that they are now taking away your right to to delegate somebody to make law and they're giving that right to the judge who can say no. You have violated the sacred constitutional right. It doesn't really exist but we say it's exists exists. You're violating this right to <hes> to have gay marriage and you can't make a law in your locality so you are representative is stripped of his power doc. We have this in our country not with just with these stupid supreme court decisions that take away our right to make law but we have it with what we call. The administrative state the deep state the e._p._a. E._p._a. Saying you know you have to make your car's in such in such a way that's law we made that law. We don't represent anybody and there's an old theory. Are you about this that you can't delegate your delegated powers in other words. If we delegate ted cruz or joe biden to represent us in the senate he can't can't then delegate the power that we delegate it to him because then we're no longer being represented and that's what's happened here. That's what's happened here. That's how we've lost our constitutional rights and that's what's happened in britain with the e._u. Making law that is then decided by judges. What caldwell points out is the judges represent via lead. It doesn't mean they don't make judgments. According to their morals it means they come from the best schools they are credentialed people who rise to power and we are now being governed by the elite and that's what all this is about. That's why you're getting guys like donald trump who is such a you know a loose cannon. Why while you're getting people like boris johnson also loose cannon because it's hard to find people who are not in the elite who will take the elite on this is why donald trump is not the enemy. I've told you a million times. I have all kinds of problems with donald trump but he's not the enemy. He's not the thing i'm afraid of. I'm afraid of people in power our who no longer remember that the individual has rights that a little girl has a right not to be raped and it's your responsibility not to attack her. It's it's your responsibility. She hasn't got the power she hasn't got the decide decision making power and the elites lose track of that if they didn't lose track of that epstein harvey harvey weinstein would not have operated with the full knowledge of everyone around them for all those years they lose track of people in power lose track power corrupts and a power has corrupted the e._u. That's why they're holding on to to britain and that's why people in britain. The elite in britain are holding on and that's why they're calling the people deplorable voted against them. More people voted for brexit in britain than any any number of britain's with ever voted for anything and in and here with donald trump. That's why they're calling you deplorable. That's why they're calling you. White supremacist. It is about power it is about the power of a small group of people over the rest of us and the thing is that that is also why i keep arguing that we as conservatives we who believe in the individual also have to stand up for the poor also have to stand up for the little guy because listen the elites by them the elites by them they will give you stuff. We'll give you a guaranteed. Income will give guaranteed healthcare. We'll take away your debts will pay off your debts by taking the money from the middle class and giving it to you. We have to find better ways to do that. Better ways to handle it. That's why i know as you know. Everybody yells at me. Every time i take down ran that did it in the mail bag last week. I took down on random. Yes i heard from all the people what an idiot i am but no i love capitalism. I support capitalism. I don't worship capitalism. I worship the god of the least of us and conservatives conservatives have to take those people into account as well if we're going to get people back to the point where they are willing to govern themselves. This is all about the power of the elites. You know oh steve bannon. He's not the favorite a favorite person of the daily wire obviously ben and steve bannon long history and hate each other but steve bannon once said if if you think they're going to give you your government back without a fight you're kidding yourself. That is absolutely true. These are who are elites are they have failed us. They have failed morally and we need to take power back the way it was supposed to be when our constitution was written at a great guest coming up but i gotta say goodbye to facebook and youtube come over daily wire dot com while you're there subscribed for the simple simple reason that you have the money we want your money. Give your money to us and then you can be in the mailbox tomorrow. Hit daily wire dot com the podcast button. If the andrew klavan podcast it bet mailbag button asked me anything you want. I will solve all your problems. That's pretty good for ten. Lousy bucks a month. Monica klein is a former planned parenthood trained sexual health education instructor who collaborated with the the nonprofit for ten years and worked with their title ten program and i'll ask her about that she now runs it takes a family and uses her experience to encourage parents to reclaim mm-hmm parenthood and become their children's greatest advocates and educators monica. Thank you so much for coming on. I appreciate it hi. Thanks for having me. It's a pleasure i could you explain what what title ten is what it means to be titled. Ten educator assure we'll title ten is family planning so the whole purpose of title ten is to have healthy families healthy moms and healthy babies <hes> and it's really for planning out and spacing their children <hes> and from the beginning of title title ten <hes> abortion has never been considered a pregnancy option for family planning <hes> so really nothing has changed an abortion should not be titled ten and does not support abortion nor are you supposed to refer for abortion when you have titled ten money so you were working for planned parenthood which is largely ridgely in the business of abortions and you were teaching titled ten <hes> family planning the people what what were you teaching so i actually i was an h._i._v. Prevention educator <hes> and i was hired by different organization but i did eventually become titled ten training manager through a national training center and so my job was to train all titled ten clinics about the regulations and kice concepts of the grant <hes> but from the very beginning of my career tain long ten years of working in family planning planned parenthood trained me on how to educate teenagers <hes> and so what they taught me was basically to really expose children to all sorts of sexual behavior there rationalization for this is that it's about prevention that we need to teach them about sexually transmitted admitted infections and h._i._v. and pregnancy and how to avoid pregnancy which i think is public health <hes> but the other piece of it is to expose as those kids too explicit details about sex that really normalize sex ed a really young age which really the kids were placed in really found themselves in really high risk behaviors <hes> which really grooms those kids to be future customers of planned parenthood long rumors okay so now ah you you're obviously not advocating sexual ignorance for children but you're saying that you're saying that specifically this form the things you were teaching were essentially normalizing behaviors that were dangerous to the children. That's that's what you're saying. Yes yes so comprehensive sex education especially planned parenthood and there's many more organizations that are doing this and you can find out who they are at future of sex education and they basically believe that young people have a sexual rights. It's apart from what their parents teach them and they do believe that we should normalize all sexual behavior otherwise we're judging people if we do not normalize all sexual behavior but the problem off we already know what the problem is with that but especially for young people so it's really changing their attitudes about sex at a very young age age so they're they're just really being fed this into <hes> they're being indoctrinated really into this high risk behavior <hes> and really that just means a dependency theon planned parenthood as future customers for more condoms contraception testing treatment as well as abortion so you you left obviously as leave started <hes> it takes a family. What are you recommending now. What are you teaching now so this is what i learned from planned parenthood and all those ten in years and this is a direct quote from multiple clinics. Parents are a barrier to service. They know they know that. Parents parents are one of the most powerful influences over their children. We can i sti- i have to stop you just did they actually say those words to yes and i'll explain the rationalization so they said that when parents find out that their children are accessing services at a planned parenthood parents natural ensuing instincts to protect their children kick in and they ensure that that child does not go to planned parenthood again and the the parents starts to educate the child instead so planned parenthood will go through to any extent to ensure that parents are not part of these services they do not want parents to be involved in their children's sex sex education. The only good parent to a planned parenthood is one who agrees in the same ideology of having young people be sexually promiscuous throughout their youth and into adulthood <hes> but otherwise they do see that parents are a barrier to service keeps children out of their clinics so that's why created it takes a family because obviously they know that parents are powerful. They know that parents have great influence over their children and we want to protect our children so but the problem problem is as so many parents have checked out or they feel like they're not equipped to talk about this information so what my organization does is odd families in <hes> invite me into their communities and i will teach parents the best ways to teach their children because i believe this information needs to be taught at home by their parents so you're you're teaching parents what to teach their children. Which then of course they can decide what they want to take what they don't wanna take this. This got to be you in young people. I know the boys crazy and boys will do anything but there's gotta be at least in girls and probably in some boys some sense that this is dangerous stuff. I mean that that may be. They don't want to treat their bodies this way <hes> you know in other words you must beat to to teach them all the stuff normal all this somewhere putting pressure on them to do something thing that they might naturally not wanna do. I'm so glad you said that. The children are inhibited when you start this education and a big part of those curriculums salem's to break down those inhibitions bikes. I know it sounds awful and i won't share the details. We could have it another time but <hes> i it breaks down the inhibitions at the children in it starts to get them custom and they start to again. That behavior starts to seem normal to them because hey these are the experts. This is an expert credentialed credentialed educator from planned parenthood or whoever <hes> and so they begin to trust that individual instead of their parents but you're right actually there our studies that have shown where the youth have said that this kind of sex education puts more pressure on them to have sex than even their peers or media they also say that parents would are their greatest influences and so they would they really welcome teenagers of said that they welcome having their parents talk talk to them about this information and the parents were being essentially taught by the culture itself that if they <hes> don't like certain behaviors and they're being judgmental. You said you weren't going to give me a <hes> details but give me a give me an example of how you break down a kitchen of issue so one of the first things <hes> it's called an icebreaker acre. I now call it. A the first step is to break down a hibbins. Is you walk into the classroom and you say yeah. We're gonna talk about sex. I know it sounds a little uncomfortable <hes> but we're gonna you know there's no judgment in this classroom so let's do something fun. What i'm going to ride on this whiteboard or you can get a marker and come up to the board and i want you to just write down every sexual every slang term you can think of her body parts or for a sexual activity and slowly. The kids are kinda like oh. Oh really you know we're not normally you know used to doing this but they start to get into a people.. giggling. They start to even the quiet. Kids are starting to kind of loosen up a little bit with this and really the way i talk to people about this today as it just imagine how you know this is very similar to what a predator would do exposing children absolute rubio take it yeah it exposes children to sexually explicit information and then they start to giggle about it so they kind of break down the inhibition so that the predator uber can go on to the next step of becoming sexually active with the children and so really this icebreaker and just the whole curriculum of exposing children to different bring kinds of sexual activity is really breaking down their inhibitions your money out of time but i just i i just wanted to know are there. Is there data that shows ooh that this is damaging to people is their data that shows that that kids are affected by this in such a way that they become more sexually active and more endangered there there are and of course planned parenthood and the people who have produced this data as well are always fighting with one another <hes> but there is data data that shows that when children become sexually active at a young age for example that there are a have higher rates of depression and suicidal aviation <hes> that many of them through polls wholes have actually said that they regret becoming sexually active and they wish they had waited so we're seeing that yes sexual activity at a very young age is harming them not only emotionally mentally but even physically <hes> monica klein. Thank you so much for coming on as really authentication for me. I'm sorry to hear some of this. It takes a family really how can people find this. Currently they can go to monica klein dot com or they can email me at hello at monaco dot com. Thank you very much for coming on. I really appreciate russia. Thank you for having me. I have to recover a little different. I've been just absolutely stunned but we that's what i was talking about. At the opening bad ideas take you down bad roads and even nice people wind up going down those roads without knowing what they've become without realizing what they become <hes> final reflection yeah i was at the <hes> the hollywood bowl had a wonderful time i thank josh kerr for bringing us in letting us share seats <hes> and they did a tribute to john wilson <hes> <hes> williams sorry john williams who conducts the l._a. Philharmonic and who wrote the <hes> some so many great <hes> ah soundtracks he wrote star wars. That's the big one star wars think he also did <hes> and so everybody shows up with these lightsaber way the lights and you know it was really <music> an interesting experience because on the one hand <hes> it was delightful. That's delightful to have people in l._a. Come together. It's a big city. It's coming together to appreciate music. <hes> and it's nice nice that they come together to appreciate the philharmonic which does a whole all through the summer the hollywood bowl there's all these different things which include beethoven include movie themes and all this but at the same time every time i see the devotion that star wars fans have and this is not believe me. This is not an attack on star wars fans at at all. I touched by the fact that i know that star wars started out as a tribute to the old flash gordon <hes> <hes> films george. Lucas love these flash gordon films. They all started. I think it was the emperor ming always taking over the universe and flash gordon was always going to a <hes> fight them and they always started with that scroll that you'd probably familiar with from star wars where the stories on the story till now unfold and kind of scrolls into the background around just like it doesn't star wars. That's an imitation of that and as you went forward lucas incorporated other influences <hes> the great <hes> japanese filmmaker maker <hes> akira kurosawa was part of his influences and of course joseph campbell whom i i've read i think virtually everything that campbell has ever written who wrote about mythology and and what mythology means and what the he would famous book the hero with a thousand faces which <hes> talks about the meaning of the kind of mono myth what james joyce called the monmouth the w- the one myth that all myths sort of partake of and <hes> and <hes> lucas incorporated that those ideas into star wars. I believe we've campbell was actually a consultant on it and brought those heroics ideas on what the hero means into that story and what i find so touching this this thing that's sort of started out and you can see it when you watch the first star wars the sort of started out as a parody that people were so hungry so desperately hungry for these ideas ideas about heroism about manhood about adulthood about becoming an adult the idolize star wars with complete seriousness obviousness with complete seriousness they discussed the star wars idea in the star wars universe and they wear to go and where it goes a place that they don't like any shoes you you hungry people are for these ideas and these ideas are built in to the mythology of the greeks mythology the romans and certainly in a new and fresh and and completely revolutionary way into into the stories of christianity which is c._s. Lewis said was the myth that really happened. The myth that was actual reality and what's sad to me is that there are not enough artists who can incorporate those ideas into stories that are adult and complex the only movie i can think of that the actually talks about real heroism <hes> in a complex and deep human way recently that was a great movie american sniper <hes> by clint eastwood and there's such a need to once once you become an adult there is a need to maybe leave some of these <hes> heroes behind that are so pure and so perfect and and that we live in a universe that doesn't exist and remind people of what it looks like to be a hero in world that does exist in how complex it is and how it doesn't make you perfect and it doesn't make you anything anything except a hero and that's why american sniper such a good film and that's why i'm sort of sometimes sad when i see star wars fans that they have nothing to move onto that even as they grow older and then grow old old they still cling to what is essentially a fantasy film not that that's not an attack on them or on the film is simply to say that with that we also need a deeper version of <hes> of the heroic story that i think is really lacking from american culture which is why so many films are about superheroes and so few films or any good <hes> so anyway those we're just my reactions to listening to wonderful music wonderful evening at the hollywood bowl that i thoroughly enjoyed <hes> but it does remind me of the need for something that's missing in american culture culture which is complexity and depth in adulthood and heroism. 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S2E1: Bold Lessons From The Most Powerful Banker On The Planet: Stephen Schwarzman

Steve Forbes: What's Ahead

48:11 min | 2 years ago

S2E1: Bold Lessons From The Most Powerful Banker On The Planet: Stephen Schwarzman

"This is what's ahead and I'm Steve Forbes in a minute you'll hear the first part of my conversation with. Steven Schwartzman Co founder and CEO of the Blackstone Group Steve Schwartzman is probably the most influential bank this country's ever had since the original J. P. Morgan is firm controls more commercial real estate single family homes companies that employ over or four hundred thousand people around the world. You'll find this conversation fascinating from beginning to end but I when I look at this week. Here's here's what's ahead. There are some economic numbers coming out on Tuesday. We'll get the SNP core logic case Schiller indices that talk about residential housing prices. How are they doing on Tuesday. Also we'll get the consumer. Confidence Index coming out that's been up and down was was up a little bit recently. We'll see how consumer confidence is going into the Christmas selling season on Wednesday new residential sales housing. It's been a week part of the economy. Is that going to be picking up on Wednesday and Thursday. We'll get those weekly oil and gas numbers how those inventories doing oil shot up because of what happened in Saudi Arabia so these numbers will be looked at with keen interest on Friday durable goods orders coming in this is critical critical because manufacturing is a weak link in this economy so we'll see from these durable goods numbers is their turnaround coming there also have have unemployment weekly claims on Thursday. They should still be pretty good. There's sort of a lagging indicator in terms of the healthy economy and will get yet another revision Asian next week of the second quarter of GDP which known will be interested in. They want to know what's going to happen in the third quarter now but a lot of other things are going on the UN is meeting this week in New York heads of states from scores of countries around the world will the US Iran's starting negotiations. They'll be other rumors the things coming. China trade talks are coming up in the next few days and overseas in Britain the U K Supreme Court. I say UK Okay United Kingdom as the Supreme Court and they just heard a case for Boris Johnson win against another conservative former conservative prime minister about Johnson. I'm trying to suspend parliament to help make brexit a reality back. Tober thirty first now the amazing thing about the UK Supreme Court is it didn't didn't exist it exists because of the European Union it came into formal existence in two thousand and nine took over the functions used to be performed by the House of Lords so that's going to be a very interesting thing in Johnson actually pull through what people wanted in a referendum now three years ago but but those who want Britain to stay in the European Union are fighting a fierce rearguard action than something that they could ultimately succeed other things will going on. Israel's had a very messy election. Those negotiations will be going on at a time of intense prices in the Middle East. What's Iran going. They do not going on. We have our special guest here today. Steve Schwartzman founder of Blackstone Group leading eating firm in the world leading banking berm in the world. We call them several years ago. Wall Street's unstoppable force the most powerful banker on the planet Steve. Thank you for joining us in fact so as well you say in your book what it takes lessons in the pursuit of excellence. You can learn born to be a manager. You can learn to be a leader but you can't learn to be an entrepreneur tells about your father and the linens business and your experience what your father was not a born entrepreneur now. My Dad was was extremely bright and a lovely a happy person and a wonderful person for to be their son but he had a store ah sort of looked like bed bath and beyond and as a family member I had to start working there. I think the first time I always there is probably six and you know the people in the basement dragged me along on a Dolly on top of some giant cartons of pillows or something and you know I learned about dust I learned about dust and that's one reason in finance and surprise surprise my brothers when finances well 'cause none of us dust in basements and Retali- but but you know it was pretty clear to me that the store was doing well when I was about thirteen or fourteen I said to my dad I said why why don't you just expand the the store all over the country at that point series which is now deeply troubled sort of major mall anchor and and was all over the country. and I and I said you know people do this with stores. They just don't have one of them. They can be everywhere in my my dad says well you know they'll they'll steal from the cash register. If I'm not watching it and I said Dad they they obviously must have figured out the system. Since there are these other national businesses and you know the they have enough money that is in stolen from a cash register and he said well. I don't think I want to do that. I said why wouldn't you WANNA do that. He said he said I just don't want to do it. I said well okay well. Why don't we just opened stores all over Pennsylvania because I was living in Philadelphia. That's who the store was. He said No. I don't WanNa do that. I said well we certainly can just open a bunch of other stores around Philadelphia. He said Steve. I don't want to do that what I said Dad. Why don't you want to do it. It's going to be successful and he said I'm happy the way I am. I like running the store. We do very well but he said I don't have the need for it. He said I have enough if money to have house and send you and your brother to college and I have to cars and I don't want anything else and I said Dad. It's not about what you want. It's what you can achieve and he said I don't want to achieve more and I found that to be a shocking because I looked at it and said this is really sort of easy easy to get a great concept. Stores always filled. Why wouldn't you WANNA take it to the world but you know it taught me that that my dad who is very very intelligent that intelligence doesn't necessarily have to correlate you know with the desire to achieve different things and have different adventures and and so it was it was a learning moment for me. You also also learned Obviously you may have inherited this from your mother. Your mother by contrast was very active and went into sailing taught you to be a sailor sailor and won competitions. That's a little unusual yeah. My mother was sort of a a force before her time and if there had been what we all called in the early seventies which will women's Lib. I you know she would have been running a big company or doing something pretty extraordinary extrordinary She had an enormous competitive nature. my dad was also you know runner in college and things like fat but my mother was sort of unstoppable force well obviously inherited that gene and we see it in Abington High School. You become president of the Student Council Very Nice. Get your name on a plaque and all that good stuff but you wanna do something big and at the time one of the big rock groups. I'm old enough to remember this little anthony in the imperials now. How in the world did you get them to do a concert at your school school. That's amazing. That's really a good question and I don't even remember the answer except I wanted to have some kind of major rock group because I wanted to do something something different than just sort of normal kids who would be in that position and so we settled on them and you know I started. I started asking around. Did anybody father know anybody and I because we had no money to pay for them so so we had to convince them that this was in their interest to go to a high school in suburban. Philadelphia and we did I remember when that was going on. I I almost always get the same feeling. Ling went when I do these things when they're actually happening. I'm less interested in them. because I've imagined repeatedly but that's that's gonNA sound like be like of how people will respond. I live that many many many times before things ever happen so so when it happened. I remember just sort of standing alongside saying this is nice. Well great athletes do that. They imagine themselves doing things time and time again not just the practice but also mentally so you would go to Yale. You have an English instructor. He calls you when then you've turned into lousy papers but you learn something from him not only about teaching but also something more tell us about Alastair would and this was really a pretty frightening. I got a sixty eight on my first English paper on Barnaby the scrivener written by Herman Melville and then I got a sixty six on my next English paper and and you know he called me in for meeting not not a surprise he was on the top floor of very junior faculty office and so I sat down to this hard wooden chair and he was all tweeted up with you know sort of the way people did in the sixties. you know tattersalls shared you know knit tie and and he said Mr Schwartzman. We're here to talk about your English papers and I said Mr Mr Wood is really nothing to talk about. He said well why would that be. I said well I had nothing to say and I set it poorly. There was silence and then he said my God. You're not stupid and east. I think I can work with you. He said so. You don't know how to write and you don't have to think he said. I can't teach you both at the same time so I'm GONNA. Give you the answers to the next few essays the number to work on teaching you how to write once you figure out how to write then. I'll teach teach you how to think and so he did and I ended up on Dean's list at the end of the first year if it weren't for him I'm not sure I would have made it one of the lessons you learned you mentioned the book is not just teaching and imparting outing knowledge. You say you have to remove obstacles in people's way which was a lifelong lesson right and and also you know making that extra. Mr Effort to help somebody. you know. I find my life when you when you do that you can change. People's lives and you can to help them improve. You can help them be something or be someone or realize their potential and it just takes that focus and understanding ending. Somebody's got an issue so you're at Reunion. She take a job there and you do something unim- pulse. Tell us about bombarded the elephants yeah. I had no money so I I graduated. I didn't have a job I didn't have any money like pretty grim and and they had reunions as they do at many universities and and so I volunteered to work at one because you've got paid something and this was the fifteen th reunion so these were very old people they were thirty seven years old and so at that stage I you know usually people of my generation patients that were married and they had children when they were thirty seven and so I was working and I saw this wonderful family the fella I learned subsequently as name was Larry Noble the I didn't know him at all and you know who's like some quilt wilt spread out and they were having lunch in the courtyard of Davenport and I think either two or three kids and I don't. I don't know exactly what what motivated B but my father used to read a bar the elephant to me before I went to sleep so I went to a bookstore. I mean basically didn't have much money and I don't know why I bought the book and I walked over and I I just gave it to this family and they sort of looked and said. Why are you doing this and and I said you look so happy so so content. I said I just wanted to share this with you and then I walked away so so so the husband comes after me. He said you know that was such a nice thing to do. He said what are you doing after graduation. I said nothing I I don't know what to do. He will listen. Come and see me tomorrow. I work at the admissions office and a high may have some ideas so so the way I got into finance is is this wonderful man. Larry Noble was would knew a lot of people in New York and I had never been to New York in a commercial sense and one of his you know he he sent me to see a guy named Louis Lappam who was vice chairman of bankers trust and and you know he offered me a job and then told me not to take it because I'd be bored. I thought that was pretty weird for an adult to spend the time or for me a job and tell me not to take it so then went back until Larry Eastern. Okay so I said to lap in what should I do. He said you should work with very small group of very smart people. Doing anything doesn't matter what you do matters who you're doing it with. I told Larry said well. Why don't you go down and see one of my classmates named Bill Donaldson who had started a firm called Donaldson Lufkin Jenrette which by the way became the first firm on Wall Street to go public instead have partnership absolutely so I went down and I met bill and that was really pretty amazing amazing. you know like all. Wall Street people you sort of keeps you waiting a half an hour. not not to make you feel bad because he's working on something. That's much more consequential than meeting and so I went. I sat in his office and he says what why do you. WanNa work at deal Jay. I said I don't even know what you do at Doj but I was sitting in your lobby and these young people you're employing look so smart so active so alert so quick whatever they're doing. I WanNa do it and so he sat there. He said Okay you go around and meet. Some of my partners should be set up. You know like half a day for me to meet people and of course meeting the village idiot me. I had nothing you could even interview me about about and so I went back to bill at the end he said well. How did it go. I said from WHO whose perspective I said from Your partner's perspective i. I think they think you've completely wasted their time. He said okay all right listen. I'll give you call in a few days so do so. He calls like two or three days later and he said he said I want to offer you. A job and you know I have no training. I don't even know what a stock is or bond never ever had an accounting course. I never saw an annual report. I knew nothing so I said okay he said Yeah. It's a ten thousand dollars year. This is amazing what you're about to relate you know nothing. You get a job offer but you counter it. Tell us about it so so so he said it's ten in two thousand dollars so I said you know that's really terrific and there's only one problem. He said what's the problem. I said I need ten five he said what do you mean you need ten. I said well there's one other person in my class who is getting getting ten thousand and I want to be the highest paid person graduating from my class. He said that's it's your problem now my he said it's ten. I said well. I'm not going to take the job and he said you're not going to take the job. I said I said that's right. I WANNA be the highest paid person from my class and he said you're kidding aren't you. I said I'm not kidding. Really I said Yeah really and so he said well. We're not set up for that. He said he said let me think about this car so he calls me like another day or two later and he said look at sort of stupid but if you really need the ten five. I'll give you the ten five. I mean you know so I got the ten five and yet you you go there and you learn something that whole Jr in good stead when you start your own firm as you say you know nothing and suddenly they say tell us. It's about genetics a company at the time you didn't know the difference between a debenture up and preferred stock. He didn't have the Internet week quickly going find out about this stuff they they just threw you in an annual report and asked me what I thought and what I thought I needed more deodorant. this is so frightening. I mean mean and what I learned. led me to do certain series of things that blackstone is. You just can't take somebody who's unfamiliar with something and expect them to perform. You have to train them. I know this doesn't sound like big deep thoughts but that's not the way Wall Street operated at that time and you know I wanted to make sure that no one who ever worked Gotcha with me or for me was ever put into the same awful position that I am. I was putting its you know so we do like amazing. Training Blackstone various finished from eight thirty to ten today actually talking to through all of our new analysts and you know. I told them how to be successful. I I went over the course that they had I told them how to do. Things are not do things I told them all this stuff that takes years for those of us who doing things to know like right away and and so I'm really proud not just we sort of attract amazing people now but that tends yes. There are tens I make sure that they're all comfortable that nobody's anxious that they've got the tools to build the building thing and I learned that by being abandoned you know in effect training wise so you leave. Doj after six months you gotta go in the army reserves. You go down to Fort Polk Louisiana. The colonel says the new recruits you have any problem. Come see me which everyone knows you. Don't take seriously but you realize something is wrong with the company the food what you're doing and so you go and you go to the colonel's office. You didn't get shot shot for insubordination. Tell us how you actually got to see the colonel and what happened well. you know we we were not getting our normal expectation of food food if you're in the military and there's not enough to eat this bad concept and so so. I could figure out something was wrong and said the colonel had seven indoctrination come and see him if you think something's wrong so I just went to see him and and of course when you show up at headquarters and the clerk sees us. What are you doing in here. They said I'm here to see the colonel to get out of here. He said you know have an appointment. You don't see colonels your your training so I said while I'm not leaving and that brought the lieutenant went through the same thing and then I had a captain who was even more disagreeable and I just refused choose to leave and they were pretty threatening and eventually the colonel walked in and so obviously uncomfortable comfortable situation. I told them who I was and I wanted to talk to him as a result of his brief and and so we went into his office and he had the very short short hair sort of a grey and black in great shape and I told him you know there's something wrong with our company and and we're not getting food and so he picks up a sheet of paper with all the companies in his brigade or battalion. I forget which and he looks at it. He said Jeez you your company's the last in everything every training exercise every achievement so he said he said go back to your company. don't tell anybody who came here to you. See Me and I will take care of this problem like a day later. All the officers were gone and our company got a complete new group all all of a sudden. We got a lot of food like normal in the army. You're very well fed in the army so so that was that was an interesting experience. We deserve from metal for seeing that went through so you go back after six months. You're Harvard Business School. You did learn their something very important to reinforce something interconnectedness with you. Maybe in a forest me look at a tree but you gotta realize on the forest but you're not impressed of the way Harvard business school was run and so I liked the colonel you go and you see the Dean Fellow named Larry Forrester tells about that yeah you know it was a bad time for Harvard business school because it was during the Vietnam War and it was very anti-business time and and so the students were really not up to the caliber of kids I had gone to high school with college with the structures. You weren't impressed with either that the teachers were basically sort of first in your second year instructors they didn't teach and the curriculum I thought was outmoded and and and the administrative apparatus of the school was very clergy and so forth so I was the head of the student organization and you know eat each section at the business school nominated their three top kids and then they got together and voted voted for somebody to be president. I was that person and so so it took me a very very long time to make an appointment with the Dean and I went to see him and I you know I said thank you very much for seeing me. I just wanted to bring some things to your attention. You know you have students who can't learn you you know teachers who can't teach outmoded curriculum and you know sort of administrative structure that doesn't work either and and here's how you can address each of these things to make them more successful so so he listened to all that and he looks at me and he says some said Mr Schwartzman have you always been a misfits and I said no no. I haven't said it was president my junior high school tenth. Grade Class Student Council in high school. You know running the graduation on the podium and I'm the head of your most prestigious student organizations nations so no. I'm not a misfit. I said I'm trying to be helpful. That's the only reason I'm here. I want things to be better and he said well. Thank you very much. I don't think I need any of your judgments and then I realized why the school was in trouble. It's what you learn is is every organization. I've been in a good organization is that person on top is always anxious to learn if something's wrong because he wants or she wants fix it when you finally meet somebody who's in charge of something who's completely closed. Minded has no interest in someone else's observation addition then you know that school's GonNa go down and I told him I said you know I came here in good faith. You've got real problems problems here and it's GonNa Affect your ratings and he said well that'll be about enough and and so what happened at that appoint Harvard Business School is ranked number one in the United States and by the time it hit bottom was number seven took twenty years but but it was inevitable and now it's returned so you go to end up long story short at Lehman Brothers of before we get into that. Tell us how you learned about about stress as you say in the book. Every deal is a crisis. If you WANNA come nine to five and ain't gonNA happen. How did you learn how to deal with stress so you didn't burn yourself out yeah. I was I spent a lot of my career doing mergers pitcher. pretty much is zero sum game. you sell L. A. Company. If somebody pays more in your the seller you make more they pay less. You know they did better so so you know some of those things when you're younger. I found in my young thirties. I I get really anxious and I wouldn't think is clearly in very tense situations so I started analysing why I wasn't thinking clearly and Yeah I realized my my my breathing you know as an athlete so my breathing was shallow but frequent and obviously I wasn't you know getting as much oxygen to the brain so i. I said Okay whenever I'm under stress. I'm going in a focus on my breathing going to relax my shoulders. I don't have to say anything at that. Point can wait and and once you and affects settle yourself a little like before somebody shooting a foul shot that you know then you hear everything is as clearly as you and I are talking instead of feeling this enormous burden and stress so that's how I dealt with that so you're at Lehman Brothers. you learn a a lot. They still don't have the proper training but it's a small firm. You learn a lot. Tell us about how you've got to be involved with the acquisition by a company called Veterans of Tropicana. You only thirty years old yeah. This was really a very transformational moment for me. I was the the number three person working on some other assignment in Chicago of company called universal oil products who they were looking at some potential mergers happened to be with a company called signal oil and I got a phone call from the president of Tropicana Akano who I'd met once on like a new business trip or something down in Florida and you know he said to me he said in the midst of a major merger turned out to be the second biggest in the world. and I'd like you to represent us. I I didn't quite understand who's talking about you. You Lehman Brothers he said No. I want you personally to do this and I had never done a merger and this is a Friday afternoon Friday afternoon in Chicago and so I knew enough to know that you he can't have a conflict you know I I didn't know what else was going on in the firm in so I called one of my friends at work Teddy Roosevelt the fourth and I said tr go around and talk to all the partners and find out I've been asked to do something for Tropicana and so he did that and he called me back said there's no conflict and you know so. I got you know Oh. I've finished what it was working on and I was told by President trump counter. I had to be there at like seven thirty or eight o'clock in the morning Saturday morning. Thank Saturday morning and so I you know went to the airport got a plane and it was a snowstorm in Chicago. Everything was laid and some of the time I landed in this Bradenton Florida. was about four four thirty in the morning morning and no new suit. I mean I had no clothes other than what I was wearing and so I tried to go to sleep couldn't sleep and ED seven. I started dialing for help so so I I called the head of Pete Peterson. I said he'd you know situation and and I only had some very something called the stock guide who remember we didn't have we didn't have any databases we had nothing most and and they had some very summary statistics so. I was sitting on this plane trying to figure out if I were ever going to do a merger. How would I do it because nobody ever trained me to do this and so I got this company? Beatrice and I got this one Tropicana and then maybe I can find some other food. One is an and so pete said well you. You're talking to the number two persons affirm. I'm Lou Glucksman so I woke blew up I don't think he was happy about that. He's in bed and Saturday morning Saturday morning and I I said look. Here's the situation. Here's what I think what you think and he said Yeah Yeah the deals fair that kind of price and you know they. They offered three different packages of securities. I said what which one should I pick. He said well SORTA doesn't matter and that that was the end of that conversation and then he said you ought to call Bob Rubin. Who is the number three person so I called Bob. I said Bob you know I've talked to I've talked to Lou got the situation here and which one of these security packages he said well. I wouldn't do number one but two or three either one just about your taste and you know I don't think we have enough time when the podcast go through which the differences were except you know there I was and you know so I met Ken Barnaby at like seven thirty and he said well you're going live. You know in like fifteen minutes and go to the board. I've never been to a board meeting and so walk in this room. It was like the Governor Florida who just retired all these prominent people and then Mr Rossi who who started the company who looked like Marlon Brando the end of the Godfather when when you fell into the all those tomatoes tomato stocks and you know he said come over next to me so I'm sitting next to him got a stenographer and two tape recorders and he said now Mr Schwartzman were considering a merger with Beatrice Foods. Why don't you tell us what to due fright. You must be kidding and and you know uh-huh so I basically talked to him about selling their business is a good idea a bad idea he said. I think it's a good idea. I said Okay Okay you control the company by definition. It's a good idea and you know the price like she did it in a way you you already started to pick up find out. What's on their mind right. What's the end you instead of saying. This is the best you gotta him. What what does he thinks it's in his interest. Why are you selling knowing it. You know what what do you need. You need an income stream. You need appreciation. How are you think oh he felt your on his side. Even though you're on the other side right now I'm on his side and and you know so I ended up getting through this meeting and then I realized least I hadn't called my wife and is supposed to be home Friday night and and now as you know like somewhere around eleven o'clock on Saturday. I'm in Florida so I called her. We were having a dinner party and I said I'm really sorry but I'm down in Florida so Florida. What are you talking about. Where were you last night. I said look this is really complicated. I'm in the middle of some merger merger. What are you talking about so that was an unsuccessful conversation and then the rest of the day was spent working out the definitive agreement was the second largest merger think ever you're thirty years old young yeah and on Wall Street. They don't throw rose petals at your street you get a call from Felix wrote in the Eminence Grease Wall Street and one of the things he says to view warned you. A lot of people are going to hate you. I've found that pretty surprising. Why would somebody hate me but apparently he was right. Somebody cues you've stealing the deal yeah one person who you know internally who thought I was stealing his deal although that was never disclosed and The the success of this thing the scale of the fact that I I wasn't a partner of the fact that there was there was no one working on other than me. you okay brought forth you know a trade. I'm not you know enormously familiar with until that point cold cold envy and Felix was really right He told me some other things he said listen. You have a responsibility to speak out. that's what goes with being somebody like yourself who accomplishes things at this age and I listened to that and I said wow really so you know. I was like a sponge taking in everything that was going on around me but I remember when I got back to New York Doc the same snowstorm went from Chicago New York so I didn't get home until four o'clock again and and you know my wife was asleep and this has been so shocking basically hadn't slept in two days and I sat down in my living room and had a fireplace it put a fire in the fireplace and I put Saturday Saturday night fever beat the bee gees album on by Robert Stig would and I just sat there listening to that watching the fire saying what just happened to me so you team up with Pete Peterson to start your own firm How did you one team up with him. And how did you tell us how you got the name black rock well. We did blackstone. We subsequently did black rock with Larry both of them. You know I teamed up with Pete. Because I had worked with Peter Pete Steele execution person and you know so he knew everybody and you know I was very good intuitively doing all these types of transactions so we were like a perfect fit. different personalities. Pitas guest is something very important about entrepreneurs often. It's partnerships. Wozniak right jobs shaded Gulu. EC Two other companies Ford in cousins bringing two different things to the table at what you learn is that the one person isn't necessarily attended and everything sometimes during eleven and a bunch of things but they're no good at other things and and so you know at least in my case and many others it's really important useful and in some cases essential to have people who bring different skills to the table and that was the way it was with with Pete myself so you've each put up two hundred thousand dollars black rock black Schwartz who who who hadn't you put together gone through a lot of names. You didn't want to be a law firm name yeah well. We had a problem picking a name and and we spent months and months trying to pick a name and we couldn't figure out that we both liked in other words. We weren't opposed to the other person's. Idea just wasn't much good and they weren't defending it so wasn't it difficult in Pete's wife. started a company and she said listen to just pick a name. It doesn't matter what it is. She said she said here's how this works. No matter what the name is if you fail nobody will remember it. If you're successful successful. Everyone will know it. The name doesn't matter just do something. He said I did that. He said pick some crazy easy name called Sesame Street and you know now we're in one hundred twenty countries and everybody watches children's television workshop workshop and Big Bird and you know snuffle up against and Ernie and said you know so now. Everybody knows that name when we picked you know we did meant nothing so my father in law at that time was the senior rabbi in the Air Force so just happened to be with him. He listened. Why don't you take you know. The German of your name is my family was from Australia and Schwartz. It's means black and with Peterson is re original name was Petropolis not his father's changed changed his name to Peterson Petro's in in Greek means rock or stone so so so tick rocker is stone. Put it with black and you know there you go so went to Pete and I said well. What do you think about black rocker blackstone ace. Which one do you like. I said I like blackstone. He blackstone grade so so we took blackstone and ultimately you know with Larry Fink hello was looking for money and after he left First Boston and you know he he he and his team which really extraordinary people joined us at at a blackstone and and when we decided to two separate because Larry one to sell his business after got to a certain scale so you know the only thing the experts told us is don't use anything with black so so Larry's ideas it will keep like a family relationship and you know I can either black pebble or or or or or black rock. I said we'll pepple. pepple sounds pretty bad. I I like rock and he said Yeah. I like it too and he said you know if we do this. My people are going. GonNa hate me and your people are going to hate you because we all had these experts. This is the only thing you camp too and so we did it and so now black rock is the largest offer money management world and blackstone. is the largest alternative manager and you know. I think we we have the two largest market caps of financial companies that were starting to you. You mentioned the book looking back. You kinda wish maybe it'd made made an accommodation with Larry Yeah I. This was my mismanagement. I mean you know we set the business up on a fifty fifty basis and I didn't want to dilute beyond certain point and and that was the deal and then when it came time to delude you know the guys at at what's now blackrock. Were saying that's not fair. We're doing all the work they were right. Just wasn't the deal and now as a grownup. I would have recognized that in changed. I didn't so this is all on me. Jilin learn huge cost. That's not the end of my conversation with Steve Schwartzman. There's much more to come from this man. You may not know his name very well but is extraordinarily early successful and influential and has some very insightful things that all of us can learn from come back next week for part two. Will you hear more insightful stories from my man who knows how to tell great stories great rack on Tour Steve Schwartzman and now now here in my regions of the week while we all know people these days don't like the so-called fangs the big high tech companies and there's a lot of talk about any trust action states are doing at the justice. Department is invoked winning an investigation but you should read an article by Andy Kessler K. E. S. S. L. We are the Wall Street Journal Wsj.com. It's called antitrust can't catch big tech and what he talks about is the hang town. Fry Hang Town. FRY goes back to the gold rush days in northern California. When a man was condemned to hang he got to choose his last meal. Now the smart ones chose an Omelet with bacon and voice tres. The reason is to get the oysters took weeks or months to get it to the gold rush country and put off the execution for a long time so the Hang Town Fried tells you why the Justice Department and others aren't going to catch up with high tech another one. This one is going to really raise your hackles which is good. We always need to get a little jolt. It's a piece by Sally Say Tau Dr Sally Say Tell. She's at the American Enterprise Institute. She wrote a piece for USA Today. Hey you can find it on USA. Today DOT com. The title is don't don't don't fan non tobacco flavored. Freddie cigarettes adults are in more danger than your kids. This is a must read. She's very scientific. She gives a counter point point of view. We always need that and talking about brexit and Boris Johnson and the fight and Britain Europe is an interesting article in in the Claremont Review of books. It's called an essay. It's called why hasn't brexit happened. The British Constitution and crisis is written written by Christopher Caldwell can be found on Clermont Dot Org Thanks for listening to what's ahead I'm Steve Forbes looking forward to next week and if you could rate review spread to the show we had Forbes sure would appreciate it

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Theistic Evolution? with Dr. Stephen Meyer

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Theistic Evolution? with Dr. Stephen Meyer

"Does truth exists because you have faith does that make this book does God exist so when someone says there is no truth if you apply the claim to itself what should you say is that true. They don't think Christianity Truth there talked out of it do explain the complexity of organisms when he called the pheno typic- complexity of secondly was the problem of morphological innovation. He acknowledged that mutation and natural selection decent job of explaining small-scale variation but they do not explain the major innovation Revolution Neo Darwinism doesn't work what developments have occurred since that time quite a few that are in problems with evolution will revisit that here in this discussion and then then go back to September two thousand fourteen and look at five problems with Mac Revolution and he kicked off the conference by numerous getting the what he called the explanatory deficits of neo darwinism one of which was the its inability she and evolution than you in fact I want to encourage our audience to go back and listen to to discussions we had on these topics in admire who's been on the program several times before Steve has his PhD in the philosophy of science from the University of Cambridge and of course he's the director of the discovery from an event that occurred over in England the Royal Society Event where you had people coming together who are evolution is saying look the current theory of scientific body in the world in November two thousand sixteen was shared by an evolutionary biologist name Gird Muehler from Austria Act if you get the cross examined APP two words in the APP store cross examined go back and listen to the January twenty seventeen conversation we have called royal and what about the theistic evolution in the Bible doesn't contradict what the Bible says well there's no better person on the planet to talk about this in my friend Dr Steven the Institute's Center for Science and culture he's written several books New York Times bestselling books including signature in the cell and Darwin's doubt and he's a major contributor does God intervene what does the proponents of the evolution say is this kind of a halfway house between naturalism slash atheism and intelligent design too long I'm glad we're talking frank no man you gotta be on more because there's nobody better at boiling down these complex subjects regarding biology was sort of a summary of Steve's a book called Darwin's doubt go back and listen to those those are evergreen shows they're not dated shows they have great information in them now Steve major new forms of life in the fossil record not the gradual Step by step kind of appearance we'd expect on Darwinian model so those were just three of I think he had I wanna I wanNA start out if we could by just kind of getting a little bit of an update 'cause the last conversation we had about two and a half years ago you had just returned in biological form that have occurred in the fossil record throughout the history of life and that led to a third major problem was that the abrupt appearance of exact same train the you may recall that The the opening talk at that conference at really the arguably the most August nearly a thousand pages ladies gentlemen but it is readable and it has some wonderful information in it he's joined forces with people you may have heard of like j p Moreland Wayne grew and others to bring this together so it's great having Steve On that on the show with us again Steve How are you I'm doing really well and then it's been it's been uh with Dr Frank Turek theistic evolution what is it and if it's true exactly where to the brand new well it's about a year old now this new book called the evolution of Scientific Philosophical and theological critique this book is in biology in the recognition increasing recognition of an impasse in the field with respect to its ability to explain the large scale more philosophy five major problems numerate it right out of the Chute and the conference was kind of framed by that talk now since then the as you might expect given the kind of ferment that's going on Michael That is changes in form that we see in the history of life you there have been other defections from the standard theory tallest Guenter Beckley from from Germany who has who was a until recently one of the lead character at the largest natural history museum in the in Europe the Stuttgart Museum of Natural History Gunter announced shortly before that conference nine in two thousand sixteen that he was had had come to accept the theory of intelligent design and after a couple of years of haggling and negotiating with the the museum he accepted a buyout they made it clear they didn't want them there anymore if that will point of view designers working with us another another similar story earlier this year there was a review of my book Darwin's doubt Wow but he's now working full time with the Discovery Institute and he's heading up a German institute called the German Center for Bio Complex we've had a number of people in the number of people working with us at Discovery Institute for quite prominent who are former proponents of the mainstream theory one is the Indian natural teleology which is the study of purpose in nature so this is kind of a major story published the Claremont Review of books it was an extensive six page review in a big broadsheet publication written by the Yale Computer Scientists David and he he's a a a big player in and has been a big player in evolutionary biology and paleontology and he's he's come out explicitly for the theory of intelligence she's like The Wall Street Journal commentary the weekly Standard You name it and anyway he came out with an extraordinary review of Darwin's doubt give up on Darwinism and he explained his reasons in some depth he cited the work of for example Douglas Acts Our colleague who's established find the incredibly rare arrangements of amino acids that form into the proteins that make all life possible and that's that's a huge huge mathematical galernter familiar with computer science no at a big figure he is he was the inventor of parallel processing and Java code in which he also had some favorable comments for David Orlinsky spoke the denial Darwin and he said that these two books convinced him to Dan he's also a brilliant polymath who's written books on the philosophy of mind on politics and economics he's been a frequent contributor to publication selection would by that process of undirected that an undirected search by mutation and selection would would be able to up on Darwin he also indicates not quite there yet on intelligent design he's intrigued with it he thinks it's a serious scientific argument but he has some what what is known as the extreme rarity of proteins in what's called sequence space that's just another way of saying that it's incredibly improbable that mutation and that you have the secular evolutionary biologists and then many other scientists beginning to question Darwinian evolution you have this push within the Christian church too endorse or even sort of Baptize Darwinian account of biological origins saying that if we don't accept this where scientifically backwards and we'll bring intellect disrepute to the church so you have this kind of strange juxtaposition of secular evolutionary biologists and leading scientists in various fields rejecting the main when we come back we're going to dive into this new Tome theistic evolution so you don't WanNa miss that do not go anywhere dream theory and well funded effort within Christian Church to get Christians to accept our winning evolution or the modern form of it called Neo Darwinism less logical things he's thinking through so he's not ready to embrace intelligent design but he's rejected Darwinism so the these are the kinds of things that are going on and yet at just at the point the break we're going to talk about the theistic evolutionary theory what is it are does it comport with the dollars called theistic evolution a scientific philosophical and theological critique is so essential because it covers the waterfront steve you guys have done a wonderful job here when we come back from and gentlemen can you help me with something can you help me get this podcast before more people not only tell your friends about it but go up to I tunes and put a five star review I we fall behind the times and be not not on top of science so it's it's crazy what's going on and that's why this new book that you have put together with a bunch of other with me on this if you're low on the FM dial looking for NPR Gold Turkey here on the American family radio network my guest today is Dr Steven Maier of the Discovery Institute Discovery Dot Org great material up there go check that out no further we're actually going to tell you the truth here that's our intent anyway I guarantee you not gonna hear Stephen Meyer on NPR. We're talking to my friend Dr Steven Maier his morning and an evening service really a presentation with Qa at six thirty we'll be talking about if God why evil then Monday Night University University of the Pacific Tuesday night Fresno state hope to see out there and then next weekend ob in Tucson at Calvary Tucson all the Services Bible at all the evidence at all and what are Christians to make of it. Well you're listening to I don't have enough faith to be an atheist with frank the idea that Mak revolution or even theistic evolution comports with the Bible is is is not right and that's what this book does how did you guys go about Dan New Year or so old book written with several others is called the evolutionist scientific philosophical and theological critique it is a wealth of information action was to define the different meanings of the term theistic evolution and specifically focus on those meanings that we found either scientific scientifically philosophically or argument against against Armenian theory so galernter explain this argument and explained it at persuaded him as well as the other arguments that had persuaded him to get and and and affirming the different notions of theistic evolution one of the problems of course is that there's so many different ideas lucious affirm that lead to their embrace of the evolutionary approach to biological origins then in the final section sections of the book in which we challenged the notion of evolution on scientific grounds and challenge the underlying philosophical assumptions that theistic the I don't have enough faith to be an atheist podcast if you do that it will help us moved podcast up the charts so more people will hear it thank you so much for partner wonderful apologetic conference so you don't WanNa miss that now back to my friend Steven Maier Steve this book on theistic evolution in your previous of biological change produced by the mechanism of mutation and selection and that that process explains away the appearance of design and yet somehow God is change that's not a neither scientifically nor theologically problematic but the idea that there's an undirected unguided process folks you were talking more about the reasons that macro evolution has is not doesn't appear to be viable there's so much evidence against it of a biblical and ethical perspective so showing that there's a tension between Orthodox Christianity North Carolina for the National Conference on Christian apologetic so you don't WanNa miss that if you're anywhere near Charlotte that's where you want to be anywhere in the east coast check Sousse involved with that that's both scientifically and philosophically problematic and then Wayne Graham his team of authors also said it doesn't comport lane grew them edited a section of theological articles critiquing the theistic evolution from the standpoint his position that we were critiquing it happens to be the position that's kind of the dominant way of thinking in for example the Christian college biology departments different different definitions of evolution and as you said the first definition you go through change over time not problematic for anybody but what about the Second University of Arizona for I don't have enough faith to be an atheist so I hope to see out there and then the following weekend my guest today Dr Steven Maier will join me and many others here in Charlotte insane it's because it contradicts the Bible but in this particular thome you have articles that do both that deal with the reasons that Mak Revolution does not appear to be correct and right branching tree starting from one single route or or trunk branching out into all the different forms of life we see today that would be represent S. Dot Edu that's southern evangelical seminaries website Seo Dot Edu and click on NCAA you'll see the conference there you can still join it's going to be number two evolution number three is the really problematic meaning of the term the idea that natural selection and random mutation has creative power on this topic and before we go further I got a mention that tomorrow if you're listening to this on Saturday I'll be at Quail Lakes Baptist Church in Stockton California in the logical evidence and it's also problematic with respect to a a straightforward reading of the biblical text so that's that's evolution life is What Darwin called the idea of universal common descent that the the the idea that the the history of life can be depicted as well this is interesting I just read your chapter of the first chapter of the book and Steve said the chapters called scientific and philosophical introduction defining theistic evolution now a friend very well with a biblical understanding of where we came from so so a key thing we did early on with sort of define the the the terms and define the fossil record but that they mutation selection mechanism being an entirely undirected mechanism can explain away the appearance of debt you've been asked much more than I have do you believe in evolution and you should always stop and ask the question what do you mean by the Term Evolution Stephen This opening chapter you go through the Phoenician how what is the second definition that is often used yeah the the first definition has changed over time and that can refer to small scale variation his Sunday night event again and then on Monday night I wanna say that's a that's the seventh of October after look at the calendar that is the institution because there are so many different ways you can define the term evolution and so what we did in in what I did in an opening scientific and philosophical introduced the definition of evolution that could be merged with some meaningful form of theism but we show that it is definitely a problematic view with respect to the wins in for example the coloration of the wings of peppered moths or in the shape and size of finch peaks that kind of stuff that we all are in biology class can also refer coco has a tactic when somebody says something to you you should ask them what do you mean by that if there is some ambiguity as to what they mean so I've been asked on a college campus the view we've mainly been asking them for clarification I was in a conversation private conversation about ten years ago. Ah I mean this is a big book critiquing the position or positions of mystic evolution but in conversations publicly with folks that hold that kind of Blaine all forms of of new forms of life as well as the appearance of design that they manifest now Steve Proponents of theistic of Zayn that all biologists recognize in living organisms so the third meeting of evolution and affirms the Creative Power Tation and selection and its ability to the fact that there are different creatures living on the planet today than those that were preserved in the fossil record so that we see sure that there's been changed over the history of life nobody putting this together but it isn't a vast tome I mean you're covering a lot of ground here right well I was principally involved in editing the scientific and Philosophical Solution where did they say God has actually intervened or do they say what are the questions we've been asking them we have one of the leading figures in the a theistic evolution world and I I was I in this conversation Shen with our a young scholar of ours who was at the time our our Washington DC office manager and directed most pastors seminary professors and Christian leaders worth their Salt GonNa say that sounds an awful lot like well if not deism something kind of so they got us together to talk and during the the conversation our young DC office director said to this very prominent person well the political answer because the theistic evolutionist through organizations like by logos and many others are attempting to get first and foremost the Christian church with a friend of his who was working for this other prominent the pollution est and they got together and said look your your boss says Dr so and so you say you're a theistic evolutionist but what do you mean by evolution what do you think that God is doing is evolution a direct did or an undirected process and this very prominent scientists paused rather long time and then to adopt an evolutionary account of the origin of life and the origin of human life in other words they want us to embrace the Darwinian perspective within the Church there was kind of halting response which he said well it it might be directed and I took that to be an entirely and in fact the creative power that mechanism is such that not only does it account for all the new forms of life that we see arising in the history of life has documented and has directed well that breaks first of all with the the standard understanding of mutation and natural selection breaks with the possible answers that the theistic evolution could give and show that in each case there either scientifically philosophically or theologically problematic and often they're there by all the branches on the tree so it's a picture of continuous biological change from a single common ancestor a very long time ago now that's that's that's a aw in what sense could it be theistic theistic implies that God is somehow involved WanNa just take theistic off their you're back to the NEO Darwinian naturalistic you send that the second meaning however is the idea that the change that we observe in the history of life is continuous and gradual such that the pick the best picture of the history of Sir questions like that so we we've kind of been asking for clarification on this and in the absence of such clarification what we do in the book has kind of lay out the different but if they say that the theory of if they say mutation selection the driving mechanism of evolutionary changes similar at least means that God hasn't had much to do with anything that would be in theological terms of you that denies in other words what is God what is God doing in this in this synthesis of theism and completely naturalistic undirected the problem matic there are meetings of evolution that are innocuous like the idea that there's change over time in the history of life and that God has caused that chain his endpoint or end points so but the theistic evolutionist have been critical of intelligent design so asking that question kind of puts them on horns dilemmas directed or undirected they don't Wanna say but yet for the theory to have any import at all it must have some specific content empirical content luminary process or is he directing the mutations toward a for some propitious endpoint they'll usually say no or they'll are they will get more resources like articles online courses free downloadable materials event calendars and more at cross examined dot org all three yes and that's what your first chapter lays out quite well but steve if they're not saying it's directed Nathan we're back into view find value in the content that is broadcast don't forget to follow us on Instagram facebook and twitter join our own line community substandard scientific understanding and the authority of the scientific community that they're in they're invoking and secondly it is actually a form of intelligent design trying to nail Jello to the wall apparently and that's what you'll learn when you re theistic evolution a scientific philosophical and theological critique would offer them a reduced role for divine sovereignty over the the production of life on the other hand if they say that the mechanism is like a heck I'd give it away by telling the the book titles but they seem to be so similar that the two of these young guys how how why why do our two bosses disagree also a wonderful book now Steve There is something you talk about quite length in the book called methodological naturalism can you videos and over one hundred thousand scribes that are part of all my family find those by searching for frank teric or pros examining the search bar. You can find many explain what that is to our audience will methodological naturalism is the idea that if you're gonNA be a scientist you have to limit yourself so trying to get a theistic evolutionist to tell us exactly where God intervenes in the process is like edited by my friend Dr Steven Maier who not only edited he he wrote about four or five chapters in here JP marlins involved as well so is Wayne Gruden and several others you to have great conversations grow your knowledge of God and become a better defender of the Christian faith also don't forget to subscribe to our Youtube Channel where we have hundreds of China the form that I hold but a form where if it's directed process that means it designing agent is is directing the blueberry process towards some propitious asleep vague that it's not a theory at all all right well we're coming back to talk to Stephen Myerson more the new book theistic evolution you need to get off Frank Turk you're listening I don't have enough faith to be you know why because they've never been talked into it cross examining skeptical and Atheist View welcome to cross examine you I have nothing to add to that rhetorical question that's exactly the right question I don't I don't get this apparel asleep vague and say well well maybe issues I it's it's either not a theistic theory or so Paris Apparel Ah mazing thome you need to get it's got sections in here on Earth Science obviously on philosophy and on Fiala G. as well a theory of the evolution of life well let's unpack no one's but the to say if you say is he directing the on the surface because a lot of what scientists do is describe how one part of nature interacts with another and for those sorts of descriptions or fear to strictly naturalistic or materialistic explanations for everything and that sound sensible many other audio content delivery apps thank you and God bless whatever the evidence is but it might be the case that we have encountered certain kinds of evidences in biological systems that would in any other context digital code software always comes from a programmer and so we might be tempted to consider the possibility that the information stored in DNA and these questions of origins and also questions of human nature so if you WANNA ask a question about for example the nature of the human mind and whether or not we can explain scientific and philosophical dimension to them and the law of methodological naturalism did not come from a natural 'cause it was a philosophical principle impose you think consciousness is something more than chemistry. You're you're going to run a foul. The principal methodological naturalism similarly in the debate about biological origins that keeps us from following the evidence to wherever it leads especially when we're looking at ask questions about origins or questions about the nature of the human mind questions that have both there's two possible causal explanations one is in broad terms that everything that we see arose through the through undirected material processes form of undirected evolutionary change another idea it's been Held all the way back to the ancient Greeks is that there was a mind that was shaping the material presented in fact Darrell faulk one of the biological reviewers said that I was correct that not only the Darwinian view of evolutionary theory but fought in fact many neurophysiologist think that but that's not obeying the law methodological naturalism because it says we can only talk about materialistic processes processes that there was some kind of intelligent design now if you hold methodological naturalism you're going to exclude the design hypothesis by definition you're not even consider it serve in front of our eyes but much of science that and that much of science occupies describing those kinds of processes but scientists has also taken on was website the biologists objected to the argument of the book not based on the the biological or paleontological evidence I digital form is actually evidence of a master programmer for life it would be like walking into the the the British Museum looking at the Rosetta stone and mentioned that this should not be and as such are answers to that question should not only consider strictly mature of novel biological forms but he said he was committed to a strictly naturalistic approach to science and therefore he couldn't consider the intelligent design in human behavior and human thought solely as the result of the neurophysiological processes in the brain. Well that's a that's a question that has a philosophical don science by a mind so it doesn't even explain it said the and relevant to our current discussion saying well where did where did all those interesting inscriptions come from if we're holding to methodological naturalism we're going to have to say well something like wind and erosion or some other materialistic water erodes rocks we don't need to talk about the God hypothesis nor do we need to talk about the evolution of the planet we're talking about a process that we can more current views failed to account for the origin of the major innovations we see in the history of life and that the mechanisms that they cited lack the creative power to account for the origin offices and he critiqued me for not embracing this this definition of science that had led him to limit the scope of his inquiries lead us to conclude design for example one of the things we've discovered at the foundation of life which I've written about in a couple of different books digital code stored in the DNA we know that but again Steve and I'm preaching to the choir this for the audience if this guy is claiming to be a theistic evolutionist but he philosophically rules out the realistic cancers that might be the the brain and the mind or not the same thing and that humans have something like a soul or an immaterial mind that is using the brain as an organist case he honestly acknowledges the the the explanatory deficits of neo darwinism like the the mainstream secular evolutionary biologists process even though we know from experience that information of the kind inscribed on the resort stone always comes from mind so the problem methodological naturalism is we have problems with a naturalistic set of processes doesn't necessarily mean that a theological anything is detectable scientifically empirically. Well we we have to deal with this Steve because it always comes up and you deal with it so well are increasingly doing but he is committed to some kind of naturalistic evolutionary counter biological origins even if inadequate one does not yet exist and we just had a meeting in Israel with other secular and religious scientists or saying hey we got problems with macro Lucien but just to say well the theory of intelligent design infers the action of a mind of some kind and it does so not because of discovery of the of information in at the foundation of life I've argued is best explained as the result of the activity of a mind that's an well whenever we see information and we trace it back to its source whether we're talking about a hieroglyphic inscription or paragraph in a book or a section of software in a in a computer program invariably we come to a mind not just a material process so the Rosetta stone inferred that an intelligent scribe had written those Those markings on the rock we wouldn't say that that scribe was guilty of a scribe of the APP in our knowledge not because of what we don't know but because of what we do know about for example the causes of the origin of fun argument because this the archaeologist was making a reasonable inference based on the knowledge that we have both about the the stone and about the uh-huh all theistic evolution accept this rule they tell you that but when you probe them you find that they do in fact when my book Darwin's doubt was referred at the biologic I think the evolutionist are engaged in a natural law of the gaps argument because there are no known natural forces or combination thereof that can create biologically inference based on what we know about the DNA molecule and based on what we know about the causes or cause of information generally so it's not and we believe in God and he believes those two things make the evolution theistic evolution Oh that's not willing to say the God is doing of the gaps argument it's an inference to the best explanation based on our knowledge of cause and effect and based on the features of biological systems well said in fact we're just GONNA assume that there is such a an answer so really the shoe's on the other foot this is a form of projection where the materialists who are hide bound to they're going to say Okay Steve Dr Mayer we understand there are problems with the NEO Darwinian theory that's why the Royal Society gets together and discuss these things that's why you of having a prior theological assumption that's leading them at them to that conclusion it's actually the methodological naturalists or the or the evolution him as being involved in the process and what sent to see at the evolutionist well he just yeah well that's that's a really astute question I personal information especially the kind of information that we find in software or unwritten languages or for that matter in the DNA molecule. This is the argument that I made in signature in the cell a fierce stick view is correct I mean is that not just a god of the gaps argument Steve You're just plugging God in the gap of your knowledge how do you respond what do we mean a commitment to a materialistic answer whatever the evidence is that we encounter and part of what we've been doing in the in the intelligent design research community AH processes of cause and effect that we observe in the world and the key process we're talking about here is that it takes a mindset generate information so this isn't a they're eight theistic philosophy because they've already ruled out intelligent causes before they look at the evidence so is it any wonder they're always going to say it has to be some sort of natural cause even if we in this case that are so committed to a materialistic world view that they're not willing to consider any alternative explanation for the origin of life it is pretty good at asking questions like are you all through the book the book we're talking about it for them every institute his brand new book theistic evolution a Scientific Philosophical and theological critique we're back with our final segment I'm Frank Turk don't go with two buildings thanks so much can't waste a second of time with my friend Dr Steven Myers on an argument from ignorance is not an argument based on a gap in our knowledge but it's based on the knowledge that we have the best knowledge that we have an all science is based on the been found it yet we have faith we will find it that's naturalism at the gaps we're back in just a couple of minutes I my guest is Dr Steven Maier of the German that science doesn't say anything scientists do too many of the scientists that consider themselves macro evolutionist naturalists are basically following biblical perspective. How do we explain the fact that it does appear that the the geological strata goes from simple to complex well let me just complex information that you talk about in signature in the cell in the cell they just haven't found that law yet according to them and so I think they're engaged in the same kind of gap a cross examined dot org and giving us a tax deductible donation one hundred percent of your donations go to ministry zero percent majority of the new forms of animal life first arise and quite abruptly but in the book the theistic Evolution Book that we've been discussed abrupt appearances of major new forms of life where each new form exhibits a an integrated universal common ancestry There is a there is a general progression from simple to complex there are many exceptions to that as you go up and down try a priori assumption that governs all they're thinking about the subject are accusing people who are following the evidence where it leads of being Ladies and gentlemen I don't have enough faith to be an atheist is a listener supported radio program and podcast if you like what we do would you please consider going the gaps logical naturalism is all about it's as if we don't have an adequate naturalistic explanation we're going to hold out for one at all costs Philip Johnson used to ask when he said it's a question of the definition of science by science do we mean an empirically based inquiry that allows us to follow the evidence where it leads he is challenging our colleagues in the broader scientific community to change their understanding of science back to a more open ended aside address that from the standpoint of both evolutionary theory and the theory of intelligent design the progression this is one of Darwin's five arguments for S. knowledge that we have we may we may get additional knowledge down the road but we wouldn't we wouldn't say for example if archeologist who discovered the seventeen sixteen other major abrupt appearances of new forms of life starting from the origin the first life forms arise quite abruptly and not in the sort of gradual step by step way we expect on a Darwinian tree of life pattern that looking at the origin of animals the origin of flowering plants the origin of the first mammals the first winged insects and birds most of the major groups side what you would expect is kind of a progression of created forms and that happens to be exactly what we see in the fossil record where these new the sedimentary rock column and the more striking pattern and this is the one that's really difficult to explain is that you have multiple of of plants and animals in the history of life arise very abruptly and discreetly in the fossil record not in the gradual sort of missing Guenter Beckley the paleontologist that I mentioned earlier segment tonight have co authored an article about not just the Cambridge explosion but about but that has long been accepted in evolutionary theory effect. I've seen one of the best videos ever done this topic you help put together is called Darwin's dilemma and I think it's actually on Youtube now France if you haven't seen Darwin's dilemma this is all explained very well in that video demint except it's it's it's really a a Jackson go no go ahead go ahead see well it's a natural if all sorts of graphics and videos in fact I remember Jonathan Wells one of your colleagues Stephen saying that if he had a tackle illustration to give regarding the history of life it would dogmatic faith position is what it is that's what they're you know ironically t- masquerades science and this is a great question that that about Z. Well yeah the dates are typically the dates that give us those those numbers in millions of years are typically rendered using radio oh he is brilliant on this topic as he is on many topics theistic evolution scientific philosophical and theological critique before we get back into that Steve I got a couple of questions that have been flexibility that's distinct from forms that arose before so I've written a whole book about what's called the Cambrian explosion which is the event in the history of life in which the instance that embraces a more open ended inquiry rather than a science that is committed to a certain kind of answer whatever the evidence says this is live said before on this program ladies not be a tree it would be a lawn that things just kind of came up individually would you agree with him on that yeah lawns pretty good even better would be an order give me that I'd like to bounce off you one question deals with the simple to complex life forms that we find in the fossil record from uh-huh in paleontology to get around this pattern this overwhelming pattern of abrupt appearance and and for the most part but the new forms of life that are are being created by God over time some people think it's a very compressed timescale others think it's very longtime scale but setting

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Ep. 916 - Trump Exposes The Leftist Mob For Who They Really Are

The Andrew Klavan Show

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Ep. 916 - Trump Exposes The Leftist Mob For Who They Really Are

"Vice President Mike. Pence is under attack for refusing to say black lives matter, but instead declaring that all lives matter on CNN, the lovely Miss Brian stelter flew into a girlish pet at the news and handbag. VP declaring quote black lives, matter is a highly effective organization whose defunding police policies have achieved more innocent black deaths in a single weekend than the police have. Have caused in the last two years. They're uplifting battle to destroy. The traditional family will finally end white privilege by Meiring Black Americans inescapable dysfunction, making white people feel really guilty, so they stop walking around with those smug looks on their faces and Blm fundraising goes to support the Democrats whose unshakable commitment to black people can be seen in every city they govern. Although you don't WanNa see too close because you can get killed in those places and yet all Mike Pence can do is say all lives matter, which is clearly a dog whistle to Christians with their secret belief in universal love for mankind unquote. The lovely miss stelter was so upset. She then went to bed for the rest of the day and sobbed pitiably into her nightgown at the new. York Times a former newspaper editor in charge of. Of flagrant historical distortion Nicole Racial Bates wrote quote for too long vice president pence is self righteous refusal to commit adultery has signaled his support for the oppressive patriarchal institutions of honesty and decency that would have kept someone like me from achieving my high position. Fortunately, The New York Times has abandoned those institutions leaving me free to break the chains of fact in history that have for so long enslave my people, namely lying crazy women unquote. Black lives matter spokesman Kilian rage, said his movement would not be stopped by the vice president's lack of support, but would press on with their mission to tear stuff down and burn businesses until it leads to something. Really great trigger warning I'm Andrew Klavan. This is the Andrew, Klavan show. is to give. Also say. Would've. Shaped Topsy. Babies. So wonderful go. To See. Who? All Right? The Cleveland this weekend at last is over in the strong have survived and are here with us in the week, mom, we will remember them Who We glad to have you come on and subscribe, please subscribe to the Andrew Klavan Youtube Channel. It's not it's not just will get you into heaven. But. It will also make you feel good about yourself and hurt. Michael Knowles achieves everything. We're watching your comments. There We have today from Seth Kacoos. Who says his bald head is brighter than my future? I don't feel bad about that. My Bowl. That is better than everybody's future basically. Over the weekend Charles Kesler, the editor of the Claremont Review of books wrote an excellent piece for the New York Post. Headline Call Them. The Sixteen nineteen riots in the Article Kessler points to the idea that fuels and justifies widespread leftist violence, or is called in the media, the mostly peaceful left as violence. He says the idea is that America was quote born a racist nation and remains one today, and he says that idea was popularized by the new. York Times dishonest sixteen. Nineteen project led by Nicole Hannah Jones Hannah. Jones who, by the way in my opinion, is a truly awful person who publishes untruths and distortions, and then defend them by racist attacks on critics. Hannah Jones responded to Kessler by tweet. Saying quote, it would be an honor to have the riots named after her distorted and a historical sixty-nine. Project Hannah Jones, who's already supported vandalism and looting, saying that attack on property on violence, and while she grandly withheld judgement on whether it was a good thing to pull down. Ulysses s grant statue. She said men like Lincoln and grant should not be. Be credited with freeing the slaves. The slaves freed themselves. Now that's completely untrue, but what is true is that many blacks served in the Union army during the civil war, and while they were subject to bigotry, and they were mostly kept out of combat positions they did include the fighting fifty fourth Massachusetts Volunteer Infantry, which was celebrated in the Terrific Film Glory. If you haven't seen it, you should. Among those heroes was a guy named Sergeant William. Carney, he was the first black, American, to win the Congressional Medal of honor. In the midst of a brutal defeat, he rescued the regiment's fallen colors under fire, and is said to have returned to the battle line proudly, declaring boys. The old flag never touched the ground. I wonder what Sergeant Carney would have thought of Hannah. Jones pride in inspiring anti-american riots and destruction I don't think it would have thought very much of it because his heroism highlights the central difference between reformers and radical, Sergeant Carney was a soldier who is willing to risk his life to defend his country with all its flaws. Hannah Jones is an elite punk. She pretends. Pretends. She lives in a nation dedicated to injustice while sitting safely atop one of that nation's most elite institutions, and she cheers on the thugs who would destroy the society that gave everything she has the difference between reformers and radicals is that reformers wanna make a good country better in accordance with its good principles and good traditions, radicals WanNa tear things down and replace them. With what with a utopia that always has been and is today the mask of tyranny? 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Just Jesus, too fond of distortion and dishonesty and anybody time. Anybody challenges her. She's like well. I'm black, so you can't argue with me just awful, but anyway it's important for reason we talk a lot on this show about the dishonesty and the hypocrisy of the press talk about how they covered Christine blazing forward as if it were the end of all life. You didn't support her testimony against Brett. Kavanagh, but then they just ignore Tara read. That's lying. That's dishonesty. It's distortion we talk about. How do massive recipes for black lives matter are completely safe from the corona vibes they. They won't even you'll in some places. They wouldn't even let you off patients whether they have been to one of these rallies, or you can't track the spread of the disease through the rallies, but the trump rally in Tulsa was terribly terribly unsafe. The Russia collusion, but we not going to follow the Durham report all this dishonesty, but this is not hypocrisy Hannah. Jones is not being hypocritical, not distortion. They believed their moment has come, and they are coming out and saying this country is bad. We are Marxist. We are destroying this country. We mean we are the mom. We are the mob just like Chris Cuomo. Ensuring the rights on, he is the mob. The Democrat Party which who the Democrats has condemned the violence with any full-throated voice who has done it none of them. They are the mom they have taken on that mantle, and they're being honest about it, and that means that we have to change our approach to them all right. Let's talk about this a little bit more Black lives matter this A. Video was unearthed over the weekend of one of the CO founders of black lives matter Patrisse coolers, and this is important, because this is the media's new tactic, or we should just call them the mob. The mob media the mob media at one of their new tactics. WHO's asking people like? They did Mike Pence to black lives matter as if anybody anywhere had ever said black lives don't matter. That's the insult built into it, but now you're supposed to support this organization, which is as I've been telling you for weeks. If not more is better, just a mask for a socialist agenda has. has nothing to do with making black lives better, not one thing to do with making black lives better, because remember all these people tearing stuff down tearing down Seattle tearing statues down all of the country, trying to defend the police. They've got the OH. What a brilliant idea will stop the police from policing all these people have not said one thing about what they mean to replace it with except to destroy the family and introduce Marxism basically so here is Patrice Clark. She's is co founder of black lives matter basically saying who she really is five. I also think that it might. I think of a lot of things. The first thing I think is that we actually do have ideological frame myself. In particular are trained organizers we. are trained Marxists. We are Super. Versed on sort of ideological theories and I think that what we really try to do is build a movement that could be utilized by many many black folk, so he's really saying is we are going to utilize? She says that this Marxism is going to be utilized by many black folk which he really means is, we're going to utilize black folk for this movement, because it has been nowhere shown nowhere shown that Marxism anybody anywhere, and this is the thing about people tearing down statues of George Washington, which is happening happened in here in Hollywood. Tearing down the statues of Ulysses s grant who defeated the confederacy, and also was very committed to defeating slavery also destroyed the first rising of the Ku Klux Klan. The Democrats answer to the civil war. You know all these people that they're turning the question. Nobody gets asked his earlier tearing it down. What have you ever done for anybody? What have you ever done for yourself? What have you ever done to make your life better? What responsibility if you've ever taken and now we know their Marxist and now they have to point to someplace because Marxist of used. True corruption, true oppression, true racism, they have used that as a shield for their philosophy, which is just about power, so they're defunding the police. This black lives matter defend the police do do you or do you not support? Black lives matter over the weekend. There were one hundred and one shootings in Chicago and that just numbers coming in fourteen people killed nine or ten unarmed black people were killed by the police last year. Fourteen people were killed in Chicago and you know what color they were. Obviously their lives are all lives matter so their their lives are are not to be judged on that, but just judging from black lives matters point of view. Fourteen people killed in one weekend in one weekend. Okay ten people in a year. WHO WERE UNARMED? That doesn't mean they were innocent. It just means they were unarmed, but the, but it doesn't mean they were innocent. They may have been criminals. They may have been attacking the guy in a Georgia who is attacking the police with Tasers to you know they. We don't know what they were doing, but they were unarmed. Ten people on fourteen people killed in a weekend in New York City. The The shooting rate was up over three hundred percent. They just disbanded They just disbanded one of their units and they're now defunding the beliefs. They've taken like I can't remember a lot of money out of the Police Department and they've disbanded the undercover cover anti-crime units across every precinct. twenty-one shootings were reported across four boroughs between Friday and Saturday. The NYPD said. Two people died shooting last week skyrocketed rocketed compared with the same time period in twenty nineteen from twelve last year to fifty five this year, fifty five shooting. An unbelievable in the most recent report is shooting a twenty seven year old man died of multiple gunshot wounds to his torso, facing leg in front of six hundred forty Stanley avenue and seventeen year old boy. One of the cops said this is what the politicians wanted no bail nobody in rikers, cops, not arresting anyone. This is what they wanted. This is what it is what it is with. The people wanted and the Democrats support the BLM and media supports the BLM. This is them. This is on them then and the thing. The thing that I was saying about art. The way we cover this is we've got to stop saying Oh while look. You know the the bias in the news every day. I go on my one of my favorite websites. The Media Resource Center the newsbusters and And they talk about the bias in the news, but it's not bias anymore. It's an actual attack on the founding. Principles of America is actually putting forward the idea that America's rotten and deserves to be destroyed and deserves the violence. It's going. It's history has to be wiped out all the statues being pulled down, and of course in the you know what's happening in the Seattle zone now it's called the chop. They changed the name because it was supposed to be autonomous as the chas, but now it's the chop because they say it's an organized protest because they still want the services. Police to come in there, and they're complaining when the police won't come in and when the medic, the medics won't come in when there's a shooting, I think there've been two three shootings in there and the medics won't come in because they're not defended by the police, and they're afraid for their lives, and the people are screaming. It's a war zone. This is terrible, terrible thing that's happening so so here. Is Swollen, you will remember while he's you right, remember. That was his campaign when he opened his campaign for presidency. He's I understand you I. Am you so this you talking and here? He is attacking the Republicans using what is obviously going to be the talking point that they've all decided together media and the press because they're all the mob. They're all on the side of the mob. Every one of Of them. That's who they are unless unless they come out and say I am not with Hannah. Jones I'm not with black lives matter they are on the side of the mob, and this goes for all of them a right. It goes for Chris Wallace until he comes out and says something about it, because this is what they're all doing, so here's Eric's wall pulling this routine black lives matter. Period. And so I would yield to my colleagues on the Republican side. Who can unequivocally say is we calibrate where we are right now? That black lives matter. Thing the gentleman for yielding does the gentleman believed that all lives matter as well? I think black lives. Matter I think we. Can anyone on the Republican side. Say unequivocally. Black lives matter unequivocally all lives matter what why is that a problem to acknowledge reclaiming my time? I think it's clear that. My colleagues on the other side. Would like to put up a straw man to not have the uncomfortable conversation that we need to have about race. I think we should have an uncomfortable conversation about how these guys like this clown aren't utilizing race for power, and they're not. They're not going to be immune from the mob. There you know. The mob just eats them last May, not even get to them last because some of us will stand against Matt Gaetz fighting back by the way you know. This is the thing. The the cancellations right? The people losing their jobs. The statues being torn down the names, being etched out Teddy Roosevelt the statue, Great Statue of Teddy Roosevelt in front of the Natural History Museum. That's a New York icon now. They say they're gonNA take that down the. Magnet from the Manhattan Institute. My remagen said if a museum can't preserve things. What's museum four basically? That's that is amazing. It this time for people who on the Middle Left. I don't know how many people who listened to the show or anywhere on the left. Maybe none maybe none, but this is the time for them to start thinking about the fact that a lot of the stuff we crazy right wingers have been saying turns out to be exactly true. Let me just play this one cut of John Oliver the. The comedian from Hbo I guess it is this week tonight. He's reacting to Donald Trump. Saying if you start to tear down the confederacy statues, YOU'RE GONNA end up tearing down. George Washington the President's concern seems to me that tearing down statues leads to a slippery slope this week. It's Robert e Lee I noticed that stonewall Jackson's coming down. I wonder is George Washington next week, and is it Thomas Jefferson the week after. You really do have to ask yourself. Where does it stop okay well ultimately where it stops somewhere anytime, someone asks. Where does it stop? The answer is always kings somewhere. You'll kid have twizzlers, but not inject black tar heroin. You don't just go off to the twist. Where does it stop see, but you do because when people is not, the problem is not the mob. The problem is not the mob. The problem is the institutional. Mucky mucks the high level people that Hannah Jones is the people who are in positions of power in elite positions of power, cheering the mob on the problems, not the mob. The problem is that people who surrendered to the mob, and if no one's going to say no, it turns out. There was a statue of George. Washington torn down. There are three of them defaced. It turns out. The John Oliver is a buffoon. It turns out. He's not just a clown. He's also buffoon, and it's time for people who are a little bit on the left to start thinking well, wait a minute. What am I supporting here? When I vote for Joe Biden? Who am I really putting in office? It's a good question because all of these guys have turned out to be wrong where guys like, let's say just for instance me who have been saying you know these people are radical. The radicals have gotten the radicals on the right, and there are radicals on the right and I reject them and Ben. Ben rejected them and Olsen. We've all stood up to them. We've all you met them in our speeches and stood up to them. Those people are in the comments section of of websites. That's where they are. They're radicals. We now see are in the top news organizations in the country there at the New York Times. They are in the Congress. There are the people kneeling kneeling to the flag with slave owner of scarves that they wore that turned out to be from African slave owners, so let's go back now. Just listen just listening for a minute because everything is about been about Donald. Trump right, so here's. The latest interview, a new interview with this lady Patrisse cullors. The same woman who said we are trained Marxist are versed in theory. We know what we're doing. We know what we're organizing we. We mean this to happen. That's what she's saying. Right all those people who were murdered in Chicago because they were. The police are going to go in New York because. The police won't go, they did. Did this on purpose and the New York. Times supports the New York Times is the mob. Joe, Biden Joe Biden doesn't even know where he is, and he's the mob Eric Swale well when he says I'm you? He's talking to the mob. He's the mob right because they're supporting what these people are doing and what? They're doing nothing to do with black lives. She told her that she's. She's a Marxist now. Hear what she has to say Jake Tapper hands down. Trump not only needs to not be an office in November, but he should resign now on Weei. Trump needs to be out of office is not fit for office, and so what we are going to push for as a move to get trump out while we're also going to continue to push and pressure Vice Joe. Joe Biden around his policies and relationship policing criminalization. That's going to be important, but our goal is to get trump out. So you hate trump. You hate trump, but you know. Marxism is going to destroy your country. You're a little bit on the left and you hate trump and you know Marxism. Has Ministry country in? You're listening to this woman who just told you? She's a Marxist. Telling you that she's got to get to trump. Maybe you should start to think about this I got a pause here for just a second and talk about quip. 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The rally went fine as far as went, but it was like a nineteen thousand seat stadium, which has been packing normally up to the gills, and instead only about six thousand people came out. and. You know there's some talk that kids on Tiktok and booked all the seats and that was the way I. Don't believe that story in the campaign says not true, and I don't believe it. It doesn't seem seem right. They have a lot of ways of getting around stuff like that, but the M- the media the mob did everything it could to mobilize the mob, and they basically sent protesters out there. They kept telling people that was going to be violence. There wasn't a lot of violence. It was actually pretty pretty sedate, but the protesters did The, trump campaign says they block some of the doors. Reporters say that didn't happen. Actually decent reporters say that didn't happen. But the obviously caused a lot of fear. They spread fear about the virus, which doesn't affect protesters. Black Lives Matter Marxist mob protesters doesn't affect them, but it does affect anybody who wants to support the president. The United States so that's a problem, so you know. Obviously it worked. Obviously they did scare people off and I think that's important and also reporting to talk about the. The fact that Biden for the first time in May, out fundraise trump by seven million dollars, and of course you know the trump campaign is talking about this, but these are bad signs, and why should we sugarcoat them? Are we going to sit around and Pat Ourselves on the back? All the polls were wrong. And all that I know that's not gonna live or bad signs. Trump needs a new strategy. This is not two thousand sixteen. This is twenty twenty. They have moved the ball. The the left has moved the ball and they believe that this is their moment. That's why they're coming out and saying now islands in bad. That's why the New York Times is not firing. A reporter who says violence against property isn't isn't violence. They have become that radicalized. They are basically riding the wave of the mob. They think they're going to be able to stop. They think they're going to be going to hop off the way once they get the power they want. That's not the way it works. The mob will come after them as well. It's already coming after the late night. Comedians, Jimmy Fallon and Jimmy Kimmel did a black some black face thing a long time ago. Now they have to go on vacation. They're going. Going you know Kimmel is going on vacation? Fallon is under fire I. Am so I didn't think it would give Ben a heart attack I would do my entire show in black face just just to tell just to give these people the finger at this point, just the Salmon, American I'll do any joke I want. That's you know I would do it, but I know Ben, which is clutch, his chest and fall over dead, and we can't afford to lose them. We love the guy. And he's so popular, so I don't WanNa. Kill Them, but at this point I just think people have got to stop apologizing for this country. They've got to stop apologizing for being a rough and ready. They've stopped walking around with their heads down in their eyes on the ground. They've got to stop. It and trump has got to start selling that message some of. Of the stuff he sold was He was saying at this Tulsa rally was really good, but he's got that. Understand that this is not twenty twenty and he has got to be talking directly to the nation about things like this. Here's a couple of good cuts. Here's one where he talked about what the left wants. This cut sixteen. They were heading. To, the Jefferson Memorial recently saw and they wanted to do damage to our great beautiful Jefferson Memorial not. GonNa Happen don't worry about it. We have it surrounded with very strong people. Choice in to twenty. Is Very simple. You want about before the left wing, mom, or do you want to stand up tall and proud as Americans? That's good stuff and that's what he's got to stick with. These gotTa stop you know before. In two thousand sixteen, the attacks on him were so wild and so insane that his propensity for dealing with everything, personally for fighting personal battles made sense. We were all laughing because he was making fun of the left coming after him so crazily so insanely and he he was right to to indulge his propensity for personal battles, but the question now is country. Itself is hurting, and it's not his fault. It's not his fault that there. There was a pandemic. It's not as fault that the left that leftist institutions have been destroyed that the left is destroyed our institutions. These are things that happened before he got there. He is only brought them to the surface. He's only lanced the boil. That is the thing about Donald Trump. He has lanced the boil. Are Institutions were broken? Our legislature has stopped legislating our press. Stop covering the news or academies of stopped teaching our. Courts are legislating everything. Everything in our country has stopped. Because of left doesn't everything in our country to stop? Trump did not cause that, but he did lance the boil, and now we're suffering because it's all come out I. Mean we've? We've gone back to the set the one thousand nine hundred ninety s before Reagan in a finger snap. It just happened like that suddenly. We're walking along. We thought no. This is post. Reagan America. We're doing pretty well. Suddenly, we were back in the seventies. Riots Crime, everything falling apart people. Facing America the press everybody running down America. We're back in that in the nineteen seventies. I remember them. They stank. They came back in a big big hurry. Trump has got a got to get a new strategy. There used to be mean that went around that where that said it was a picture of trump, and it said they're not after me thereafter. You I'm just in their way. That should be his campaign strategy. When he fights them on his behalf, he should make it clear that he's not fighting for himself anymore. He's fighting for you thereafter you thereafter. America! He's just in the way. You know there's truth to that, and of course it's a campaign slogan, so it's. Also a little bit of showmanship, but he has got to learn. He has got to rain this. Ben And I had this big It was an argument, but we were he was. He was basically razzing me on backstage. Ben was saying you know you think that trump has a strategy, but he doesn't have a strategy. He's got no impulse control. Those are two different things. Trump has no impulse control. He has a real problem with impulse control, but he is A. A good politician, he's good natural gut politician. He's just gotTA. Think through his. He's got a a tune his gut to the country again because he's been locked away because of the virus, he's been locked away in Washington, he starting to suffer from the atmosphere there that toxic beltway atmosphere is getting him, and he's lost his feeling a little bit for it. He's lost his. His feeling a little bit for what's going on. He's got to shift. He's GONNA shift the way he talks. It was funny at this Tulsa thing when he made fun of the way the left was mocking him for going down a ramp slowly remember he went down this ramp carefully, and he drank water, using two hands, and he showed people could drink water. Water with one hand, and then through the glass way that's funny stuff, but it's not be stuff anymore. It is not the stuff he can use it. It's good, but he's got to start talking about what's really happening. He said something about Seattle. That I thought was excellent. Cut Eighteen. We're talking about Seattle. Have you ever been to Seattle? They took over a big chunk. And the governor, who's radical left. All of these places I talk about our Democrat. You know that everyone of them. And I haven't offer out I. said anytime. You want we'll come in. We'll straight it out in one hour less. Now I may be wrong. But. It's probably better for us to just watch that disaster. Now I don't think he is wrong. I think that's exactly right, and you don't have A. You know you don't want to have waco situation on your hand where a lot of people get killed. On People's anger at this point, but no, that's the right thing to do. Tell you know I'll come in if you want me to come in and if they don't ask the continued to be shootings and rapes, and there will I told you when this happened. What was going to happen? And now it's happened I. Mean now you always get tomorrow's news today here. And I told you exactly what was going to happen because it was obvious because. Because it's what's always happens it was. It's what always happens when the law and order breaks down. What always happens when the Marxist comment? We know what it is, and now we know we know. He knew thing because of Nicole Hannah Jones at the times and Chris Cuomo at CNN. We know they mean this. This is their time. They'd set this in motion. They think they're going to win. And it's a question whether they will or not. All right. You will want. Readers Pass. If you are just too damn cheap to go and get the all access, which would give you everything we do all we come. We Mow your lawn. You get the all access pass. You can tell. We didn't all access on Friday so it slowdown a shorten declared endless weekend. Some of you who are now past because you had a three day weekend could have been saved might have been saved by having all access pass, but alright your cheap. You WanNa. Feed your kids, you. You want to pay your rent, so we have a different deal of cheaper deal called. The readers pass to daily wire dot com. It's great value for only three bucks a month. When you sign up, you get that first month for only ninety nine cents. You get access to our mobile APP, which is terrific articles, AD, free and access to exclusive editorials washed it one of the other day. Only real privilege in America is leftist privilege which I'm not even gonNA. Tell you because he hadn't. Sets a lousy buck payback for Walsh's article, say the check out the readers bass already go to daily wire dot com, and sign up for just a buck come on over to daily wire dot com. So the whole thing about trump, you know it, it really is funny. How trump stands in the center of this, and he's a big character I've always said. This is a great big. American character is great, big American flaws, and I think some great American virtues as well and everybody who who listens to this show always wants to hear good things about trump and never wants to hear bad things about never wants to hear me criticize trump, which basically I do sometimes because I think he's hurting himself and I'm always willing to admit that he may see something i. don't see. He's got a great instincts. He's a politician. Pretend to be so maybe he sees things I. Don't see. Maybe he's gearing up. Maybe he's assessing the situation and taking his time before he makes his move I'm just saying right now. It looks to me like Biden is winning right now. It looks to me like Biden is doing what Biden is. A hologram Biden is just ventriloquist's dummy who couldn't put together a sentence at all. And the, but the thing about trump the thing about trump that is just so interesting to me is. A what I said before that he has revealed the emptiness of our institutions didn't cause our institutions. Are you know it was not to choose between a Hillary Clinton and trump did not have a real statesman, a guy who has a theory about you know how to govern and all the stuff that's that's a sad choice to have to make. Trump was the right choice to make. Make, but because if Hillary had been in, we've just have these empty. Institutions continue to spread the Blob in that old horror movie, but with trump we. We knew we knew that we were going to see a the left. Go Insane and go insane and reveal itself, and it has, but here's the thing again and again. I'm talking to anyone out there. Who may be a little? Little bit on the left side. Maybe just a little bit. You know that those decent many many decent liberals that I know who don't think they're supporting this when they vote for. Bein, who don't think they're supporting the violence when they vote for Biden, who don't think they're supporting the Marxism when they vote for Biden. This guy whose only job whose only job is to look like. Like an old fashioned Democrat Marxist put their systems into place. That's his only job and the thing about trump. Is You know they call them a liar? Okay, okay, you know. Trump is I've said this before. He's a kind of a barnum character overemphasizes things. He himself has said he's a cheerleader for the country. He's always upbeat. He's always exaggerating of the good things. That's that's him. Who pushed the steele dossier? You know who sent that lie to US I. Mean who who pushed, Christine, blazing forward with her. Completely unproved unsubstantiated charges. Who did that stuff, right? They call trump conspiracy theorists because he went after a barack, Obama on his birthday on his on his birthday, and he went after Ted, Cruz on that crazy Lee Harvey Oswald Story. They call them that, but who pushed the Russian collusion store who pushed that rush that crazy Russian collusion story, and then gave Pulitzer Prizes for pushing it. That was all the left. Left all the media all the Democrats right. They say he's an authoritarian, which is a joke because he's done nothing, but dial back the government, who is it who silence is free speech who wants to US corporations to silence political speech? Who Was it who wants to get people fired for? Sometimes they're saying things that are absolutely true, and sometimes for just saying opinions that might not be in keeping with leftist policies. Everything. They say about him everything they say about trump. They are worse. They are worse and this is the thing. I I know a lot of people who literally cannot stand Donald Trump. They cannot stand the sound of his voice. They can't stand his attitude. They can't stand the the sometimes grotesquely boorish. That he says. Why can't they see? Why can't they see? Their institutions left institutions including Barack Obama's presidency right the scandal-free presidency that used its law enforcement arm to investigate an opposing political candidate. Why can't they see that like? Really all he is is not a hypocrite. All he is openly what what he does, and and the things he does are more benign. He doesn't silence free speech. His lies are basically exaggerations. The things they call wise basically mostly exaggerations his his Borsch nece. When I was preparing the show today when I was preparing the field, I was looking at for clips right and I went on Youtube another for clubs, and you know when you go on Youtube this sometimes plan at and they played one of those comcast NBC ads. The more you know, a little public service announcement, right. They played a public service announcement, and this is what it said it said. If you believe in equality for women equality. This is comcast. NBC's lecturing me about this. They said. If you believe in equality for women, you should have equality in your home. You should treat your daughter and the son your son the same way. Okay now first of all screw you. Don't tell me how to treat my daughter and my son I I will treat my daughter and my son differently, because in boys are different. No matter in what Neil gorsuch says they are different so I will treat them differently I will expect different things of them I will expect them to hit different marks, and I will expect them to behave in. In different ways, because are different I will not try to force them into the role of the other. That would be an act of emotional violence, so I won't do that, but who's comcast NBC did the guys who ditched the Harvey Weinstein Story, the the guys who covered up the rapes and depredations of Harvey Weinstein because they were simultaneously covering up the depredations against women of Matt Lauer so. When these people look at Donald Trump and they say you know. Oh a horrible horrible guy, you know, he said this thing's about grabbing women. Who they listening to who they voting for, there is no gap. There is no difference there is no gap between their good intentions and the people, the institutions they support, which are Marxist, which are corrupt, which are so incredibly entrenched in the halls of power that if there is institutional racism there, the institutions who abuses because they are, the institutions donald trump is a loose cannon. He is a wildcard, but certainly certainly nothing nothing that he has done comes anywhere near with they have done. And what their institutions have done and the institutions attacking him. Basically you know this is the thing. That I I used to laugh right after the election when my leftist friends would scream at me, how could you voted for Donald? Trump I would say you know he wasn't running. Against Lincoln was running against a career criminal. You know so like bring a better candidate next time and and we'll talk, but he was running against a career criminal. This is the thing that has remained true John Bolton is bringing out his book a really interesting over the weekend. The Wall Street Journal the Journal published a large section of his book. GOING OFF About trump and his China policy and it was plausible. It sounded like trumpets sounded like stuff. Trump did like flattering, the Chinese president and changing his mind about his policy, and leaving his staff kind of unknowing the dust, not knowing where he was going to go all the stuff. Basically John Bolton is making a fortune selling a book, telling us that Donald Trump is donald trump. What you do. Is Really Amazing. Let's play. He gave an interview to ABC. I think this was also over the weekend. Let's play the first clip of that. I tried to write a book that took the seventeen months. I spent his national security adviser. And reveal a picture of the president that people can draw their own conclusions from my conclusion is clear. I don't think he should be President I. Don't think he's fit for office I. I don't think he has the competence to carry out the job. I don't think he's a conservative Republican. It's just an amazing thing and everybody hates them now. Let's play cut nine everyb-. No nobody on any side is on Bolton saw I. Guess We now know why Mr Bolton is so angry. Trump didn't WANNA bomb. Everyone like a lot of neo cons. It hurts the country, and if you are Republican and you're doing this, you said he was basically saying I'm GonNa do what I can get Joe. Biden elected. That goes against everything. The John Bolton has done his entire career every bit of Donald. Trump's disgracing office is now also. Also John Bolton's disgrace. Because by refusing to testify to the impeachment inquiry John Bolton violated his oath of office to support and defend the constitution of John Bolton could spend the rest of his life like lady Macbeth trying to wash the blood off his hands, and it would be there still, and now Bolton is attempting to literally cash in on betrayal of his country. So that was the left and the right going after nobody nobody likes bolden, but what got me about? About it was just trump is trump. It's trump is trump and we knew trump was trump when we sent. No president has ever been sent to office more well known than Donald. Trump. We knew trump was we were trying to. People were trying to tell you something they were trying to tell you what the other side was doing and nobody would listen because the other side is so corrupt and I think the right. Some Republicans also benefited from the Marxism of the. The left they made their living denouncing without doing a damn thing about it. Now it's time to choose. It is time to choose and I think the choices pretty clear. Donald trump is a while a loose cannon is a aboard, sometimes is a mean guy sometimes, but this is the other side. We know who they are now. They've come out of the closet and we can't call them hypocrites. They truly honest about who they are, and who they are is the mob. I want to end with a final reflection about the The Neal gorsuch decision. You Know Neil gorsuch decision. I wrote a column about it. You can find it on daily wire if you are a how readers pass About about how absurd his opinion was, but it wasn't absurd. The way people say it was the the Christian website world said in Gorges opinion, this is an opinion that you can't fire somebody for being gay or transgender, because it is a prejudicial against his sex right as firing him for sex and the Christian website world very popular, good website. said that Gorsuch is decision expands the definition of sex to include sexual orientation and gender identity and I wrote. That's not true what it does is it strips the words sacks of any real world meaning whatsoever? What gorsuch said was that if you penalize somebody for sleeping with a woman and it happens to. A woman. You're just penalizing her because she's a woman. Right in other words, there's nothing natural about being a woman. There's nothing a woman naturally does like sleep with men as opposed to sleeping with women, so heterosexuality homosexuality have no moral content these are actions that just are. They're just objects that are just putting putting the pencil through the Donut as we used to joke, it is just like what it doesn't matter where the whole is doesn't matter what the object is. Just you know wherever you put that one thing into. into another another words, the human person is an empty shape. And all this brought back to me the movie. Blow up and a lot of people. Don't remember this movie. Blow up and I you know is made in one, thousand, nine, hundred, sixty six, and it's an art house. Film S by Michelangelo, Antonioni I believe his name was Brown, and it's an art house film, and it's Kinda slow and weird and all this stuff, but his is the one film and Tony made that I can watch, and it is an actual great. Great Film I have to say it's a weird film. It's an offbeat film. You might not like it, but it is an actual interesting film. It's about a photographer and it is about a world in which everything has been stripped of every meaning except its shape. It is about neal, Gorsuch is world. Women are just body outlines. That's all they are You know murder has no meaning. pictures are the only thing that he won at one point. He gets obsessed with a propeller. He has to have the propeller and it's. It's the shape of the propeller he wants, but there's nothing for it to propel. There's no plane and the very famous scene little very famous. Last seen of this movie The bunch of clowns were running through London. These leftist clowns basically start to play a game of tennis with Imaginary Ball, and they hit a ball, and the photographer sees the ball, and they say pick up the ball. Pick up the ball and he picks up the ball and he throws it by this invisible Napley. WALNEY throws it back to him. To them, and then he stands there watching this belief tennis game, and he starts to hear the ball being hit, and then he vanishes, he disappears, and that's the end of the movie, and it really is a story about a world without any meaning a world has just been reduced a body outlines, and you know what without God without some sense of the of spiritual reality without some sense that we are more than just meet, that is the world that is Neil. Gorsuch is world that he bought into. It's a leftist vision. It's a materials vision and he bought into it. He bought into the look. You can say there's nothing wrong with saying. Homosexuality is fine. It's as good or better or worse or whatever you want to say as as Heterosexuality, you can say anything you want about it except that it's the same. You can't say it's the same thing. It is not the same thing for a man sleep with a woman as for man to sleep with a man again you can condemn it. You can praise it. You could sing praises. You can do whatever you want. You have any opinion you want and have to defended. You have to defend your opinion. But. You can't say it's the same, and we live in a world stripped of its meaning. We we truly do and you know. I'm starting to feel during this crisis that the churches are to blame for this as well as anybody else. It's not the atheist who are to blame. It's the churches who no longer have the the guts to speak against the world. They don't have the guts to speak against the world. They're just speaking into the world with a little bit of Jesus thrown in. They're going to have to start where they're gonNA. Lose the only religion on earth that actually. Supports the civilization. We're in the only religion on which the civilization was based on which it was built. If we lose it, the civilization will fall, and it is. We're going to lose it if we don't remember that life has meaning, and we get that meaning out of a certain book. 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Mathematical Challenges to Darwins Theory of Evolution with David Berlinski, Stephen Meyer, David Gelernter

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Mathematical Challenges to Darwins Theory of Evolution with David Berlinski, Stephen Meyer, David Gelernter

"Welcome to uncommon knowledge. I'm Peter Robinson shooting today. In Fia Sola a town in the hills above Florence Italy Italy with me today three guests David Berlin ski as a philosopher mathematician and author who has lived in Paris for a couple of decades now and is now the editor of inference. The International Review of Science. David Galernter is a professor of computer science at Yale and the author of a number of books including most recently the tides of mind uncovering the spectrum of consciousness. Stephen Meyer is a philosopher author. He directs the Center for Science and Culture at the Discovery Coverage Institute a think tank in Seattle. Here's what brings us together in the Claremont Review of books this past Spring David galernter published an essay titled Giving Up Darwin Quote Stephen Myers Thoughtful Awful and meticulous book Darwin's doubt convinced me that Darwin has failed the deniable Darwin and other essays a book by David Verlinsky is also quote essential David Galernter Sir David Verlinsky Stephen Meyer. Welcome thank you all right. Definitions Darwin's book is on the origin of species and to quote from David galernter essay quote. There's no reason to doubt that Darwin successfully explained the small adjustments by which an organism adapts to local circumstances changes deferred density or wing style or beak shape yet there are many reasons to doubt whether he can unexplained the big picture not the fine tuning of existing species but the emergence of new ones close quote okay. I'm a layman I know nothing start by convincing me somebody that you're not just defining the term species to Darwin's disadvantage who wants to take that David there really is very little disagreement on the issue of what species as and I think it it doesn't have to be a technical term. I think virtually any alert child knows when he passes from one species of of pet creature to another species or cat yeah cower scheepers something like that. This is part of our innate view of the universe. Nobody wants to define anything to Darwin's disadvantage. I think you're looking at three scientists here and I think every one of us has appreciated. I speak only for myself but I'd be surprised appreciated. The beauty of what Darwin did it certainly was no joy to conclude that Steve was right. It was no joy for me to to give up a beautiful theory very and such unification beautiful aesthetic so there's some things objective about it but explain. Why did Darwin Strike? He was beautiful. You know every each year of my life. I'm I am less convinced that there's anything at all subjective about beauty who really the fact that here we are in Florence and every single person in the city wants to see the Michelangelo so portrait I mentioned to you and slaves in the academia and the and and the great paintings in Fiji people come from all over Asia people come from Africa they come from all over the world spectacularly little disagreement mean their disagreement about theorems in apology. Also people say I believe the proof. I don't believe the proof there's disagreement about everything human life but I think less about the greatest art about any other subject beauty is something that I think scientists tend to agree on to us us as a pointer in the direction of Truth Darwin's theory struck me as beautiful in so far as it explains a big things by generalizing little oh things the you mentioned the change in the density of for on a creature with for the shape of the beak of a bird or of a feather of bird Darwin can't explain those things by principles of natural selection and when he says well we can go from these little changes a beakers is three inches as opposed to three and a quarter inches we can use the same mechanism that by which we explain that to explain why there are sheets and cows why there are monkeys and also a rang at Dan's and why why apes are different from monkeys the fact that we can explain this huge question of where species came from the origin of species using the same mechanism that will work for tiny variations in the further of sheep or the beak of bird one aspect of what makes a theory beautiful. I mean other people look at it from different could quickly because I want go into the arguments against but did you have the same response to Darwin Strike You as beautiful never for a minute Stephen. It was a comprehensive synthesis and so from the standpoint of what scientists look for it had an appeal it was also a well argued book the origin of species but it was well argued on the basis of evidence that was known in the nineteenth century and not things that we've learned mostly from the twentieth and Twenty First Okay we come to that now again. From David galernter essay quote Darwinian the fossil record problem one the fossil record Darwinian evolution of quoting. You is gradual step-by-step yet in the Cambrian explosion of around half a billion years ago a striking hiking variety of new organisms including the first ever animals pop-up suddenly in the fossil record over mere seventy million years close quote now seventy billion years seems to be plenty. Leave time for all kinds of surprising things to this layman explain. Why is the Cambrian explosion such a problem for the Cambrian explosion something that such a problem that it even began to convince this man it was a problem that even Darwin was aware of and he wrote about it in the origin of species species it was inexplicable on his view of of life but he felt that the future fossil finds would fill in the missing ancestral forms that were evident what happens in the Cambridge you get a huge number of what are called the the animal body plans where body plan is a unique configuration of body parts and tissues and they arrived very abruptly in the fossil record without discernible connection to earlier precursors or earlier ancestors in the pre-cambrian Reuben Walworth side of a canyon halfway up? We'd see you have a stripe of rock and in that stripe you'd find a whole bunch of new forms of animal life and then in the layers underneath there would be no intermediate not meeting with any discernible conduction and so the Cambrian explosion self has been differently dated but increasingly the date the David Use of seventy million years is very generous date for the injure. The age ranges actually narrowing as a result positive additional findings. It's now about ten million years as the increasingly accepted date and there are major explosion in one Chinese seem there's thirteen to sixteen different major groups of animals that have arisen in a five or six millionaire window. It's it's incredibly geologically. When you consider the age of the earth four and a half billion years it's also very abrupt biologically because there is a mathematical branch of Darwinian theory called population genetics that allows us to calculate how much how much change evolutionary change we ought to expect in a given amount of time? If we know things like the mutation rate the generation time regulation sizes and <hes> five ten even seventy million years is a blink of an eye in terms of those calculations that can be made for what call waiting times and the expected waiting times for the amount of change. That's evident in the Cambridge blow out the timescale if you will they're hundreds of millions or billions of years so this is a really unexpected event both biologically mathematically geologically on Darwinian view of things all right back to David galernter. We moved from the fossil record. I'm coming to you go nowhere. I'm patient up thank you David Galernter. Darwin's main problem is molecular her biology now this is complicated to me but I'm going to continue quoting rest and then ask somebody to unpack it for this layman here for this who can't tell the cat from dog apart. The species treatments very slow student quoting. I'm quoting you. What does generating new forms of life entail? Many biologists agree that generating a new shape of protein is the essence of it. The argument step number one argument step number two and inventing a new protein means inventing a new gene. You WanNa give me the the overview on that. One Steve is the real biologist and life means new life with new form of life means new protein means new gene well. I'll explain it in terms that would be familiar today but if you want to give a computer a new function right a new program for to accomplish a new function you've got to give it new code and the Big Discovery Three of twentieth century biology following Watson and Crick in what's now called the molecular biological revolution is the same thing is true in life. You want to invent a new form of life. You've gotTa have you gotTa have code in the form of the information inscribed along the Spine Line of D._N._A.. Molecule and we're learning and other forms of information that you need the information to build the protein molecules that service the different types of cells and then you need additional information to arrange the cells into the body plants and and so the the Cambrian explosion is an explosion of biological form but it's also an explosion of biological information and that fact gives us a way of grappling with this question that Darwin didn't have because we know something about what it takes to generate information in our high tech digital world of computing right. I I have to say the David Galernter in his essay goes very easy on Darwin I he calls the theory beautiful and says how sad he is to have to dismiss it and then any says this molecular stuff Darwin couldn't have known that so if tell me if you tell me if I've got it more or less right in Darwin's time it was good enough to imagine that the basic unit of life a cell was like a little brick of Jello it was an undifferentiated quite uncomplicated thing and you could imagine putting many many many of them together and you getting different forms of. Is that roughly fair you know it was good enough for Dalwin. It's probably good enough for us as well but it's not true. It's that's the big problem. The cell is an unbelievably complex bit of machinery unfathomably complex and we haven't understood its complexity at all every time we look this seems to be an additional layer of Rab- operative complexity that needs to be factored into our theories. Don't forget the attornal goal is to explain the emergence of this complex yes and if we're continually behind behind the curve because the complexities increasing every time we look that attornal goal is also receding from view not approaching it's receding. It's becoming more and more difficult to construct a theory for that all right now. Somebody give me some notion of the math here. Things are more complicated than Darwin knew we understand that producing new forms of life now means means not just new shapes new activities in which life engages but a prior code or is that fair. You're the you're the you know the mathematical element of this not of population genetics in in the complex sophisticated predictive sense that she was referring to but just the simple issue of the code it is remarkable for young people learn in high school is remarkable from an elementary school to learn that proteins molecules are assembled because there are codes there are codes in the nucleus of cells at spell them out character by character code on by Conan this code on means this amino acid and the next one means that in the next one means that but the but the mathematics the mathematics underlying these coton's is very simple and there is in Darwin could perfectly well have understood if he had the facts each one of these positions this has to be occupied by one of twenty amino acids okay so you pick one of twenty guys for this position and one of twenty guys for this position. You talked about visualizing a string of be yeah like you're building a pro team Taylor feeds rough and build on building a protein out of amino acids. Yes and I'm doing it by choosing the amino acids one by one by one by one by one and I have twenty choices each time now if there are several hundred of these things in the string in the bead in the necklace. It's a big necklace that wraps around your neck eight times so there are several hundred five times whatever it is that's a huge number of possible choices races the number of ways in which you can arrange the emerald followed by the Ruby followed by the Opel followed by the chuckled platinum and another ruby and another ruby and diamond and Akwa Marine marine the number of ways you can range that is shoot. Jr grows exponentially as as the string gets longer so even when the strenuous short even if it's a cheap necklace for your very first girlfriend and so you can afford it still here's an astronomical number of choices and Darwin could easily have computed that he just about the amino acids he didn't know about the necklace he didn't know about this during it's not the mathematics that stumped him. It's the biology. The mathematics is simple. A high school student can compute how many choices there are if they're twenty gems position number one in twenty gems or number two and you have sixty gems altogether and the task here. I'm you try to. I'm quoting from your in. You can even got you got it right. I'm quoting mathematician dated. This David has a memorable phrase to describe this mathematical problem. He calls the problem of combinatorial inflation. Yes yes the length of the required length of the protein molecule grows the numbers grow exponentially inflate exponentially and so the the odds of a random mm search finding the one that makes the pretty necklace to use metaphor dropped precipitously and in this huge unimaginably vast universe of possible combinations the number of combinations that would produce a useful protein is what they seemingly rare exceedingly rare and this is what we didn't know until the last the last couple of decades there was an extraordinary conference in the nineteen sixties held by <hes> Con- convened by number of MIT scientists some of them David knew very well. Mary Eden Marcia Marcus Number and <hes> they were the first to see the mathematical problem with Darwinism. They called it. The conference was called mathematical challenges to Neo Darwinism but at the at the time they could compute the number of possible arrangements but they didn't know at the time how many of the arrangements would result in functional proteins that would do a job in the cell L. and so they didn't know they couldn't exactly measure how hard the search was would be on a random random basis the especially the computer scientists Murray Eden and others knew that based on computer science if this is functioning like a true true linguistic system <hes> it's going to be like unlikely that you can do a random search and finding meaning a meaningful string of Characters D._N._A.. That will produce a meaningful protein okay but people didn't know in the nineteen sixties by by in early two thousands there've been a number of different experimental measures of the rarity of the functional genes and proteins versus all the gibberish sequences right and for a short for for example just one result for short protein one hundred fifty amino acids long. The ratio is one protein that will fold into a functional structure for compared to ten to the seventy seventh gibberish sequences so the ratio of functional nonfunctional is one over ten to the seventy ninety seven okay so functioning proteins are extremely rare. It's very hard to imagine random mutations leading to functional proteins except that and hero quote Dr Galernter again but the theory understands stands that mutations are rare and successful ones even scarcer Darwinism knows this to balance that out there are many organisms and a staggering immensity of time. Your chances of winning might be infinitesimal but if you play the game often enough you win in the end correct. That's the question. Do you play it often enough. There's always an often enough and the question is does the history of life with which Darwin was concerned. Allow you enough chances to make it at all probable. Let's say or even possible that you'll hit on statistically that you'll hit on one of those amazingly rare necklaces that folds up into a protein that can be stuck in a cell and actually doing doing anything. I'm not a biologist and so I look at this and say sure there's enough time you know there's been a lot of creatures on earth and life has gone on for a long time but when biologists look at this and. And try and nail down and figure it out try and make a guess try new insurance fix to make a guess like using the the number of total bacterial lifetime as a measure of the number of total mutations were playing with the point is from whatever whatever angle you come at it. The the answer is no there has not been enough time. The the number of throws. We've had is too puny even to talk about doesn't even approach puniness and certainly is nowhere near reasonable so so we would get that if we had a reasonable todd but we don't we didn't we have so let me just be very explicit for my little Winnie. The Pooh bear sized mind. You're saying you're you were saying that Darwin is unlikely to have to be able to. It's unlikely that species arose the way Darwin said or you are saying it is impossible. Darwin was just mystic lovely man beautiful idea is hardly a difference is hardly hardly difference unlikely. We're talking about odds so prohibitive. If you wish to say it's impossible fine. I'll defend you saying it's impossible. If you wish to say it's highly unlikely I'll be in your corner as defense attorney as well but there's is not practical differences. Locally we've known things for hundreds of years had a million monkeys at a million typewriters all of them typing at random. We know they're not going to produce the collected works of Shakespeare anything anything like a reasonable amount of time that wonderful episode of the Simpsons. Do you remember Mr. Burns has a million monkeys typing in a million typewriters. They're going to produce the greatest novel ever written. He pulls out one sheet of paper and says was the best of times it. It was the worst of times it was the first two times stupid scoop it monkey or put the discussion down even lower the Jim Carrey film film where he's trying to get a date with a young lady he fancies and she tells him to go away says well what what are the odds a girl like me and a guy like you could get together not good he says what do you mean not good one hundred one in a million and then he says but if there's a chance you're telling me there's a chance I read you. Here's a precise way of <music> of cashing out this probabilistic argument. If you have one over ten to the seventy seventh powers your ratio but then you have all every organism in the history of the planet we've connect to make that about ten to the fortieth organisms so the little tiny everything bacterium every time one of those <hes> replicates. There's a possibility for mutation that could search the space of possibilities so you tend to the fortieth possible mutations against a search space tend to the seventy seventh strong right so if you do your exponential math you end up with you. Can what it means is. You can search one ten trillion trillion won ten trillion trillion trillion of the possible combinations so in that case are you more likely to succeed or fail your overwhelmingly more likely to fail to find one of the functional combinations even taking into account every organism that's lived on earth and that's that means that the winning hypothesis so overwhelming more likely to be false than true. It just didn't happen okay one last piece of the argument here that you mention there are other pieces in this book of course and in David's book but here's one unless with the that you mentioned in your essays compelling to you David Galernter to help create a brand new this is the question mutations proving harmful at least as often as useful if I have it right to help create a brand new form organism a mutation must affect gene that doesn't job early in the development of the life form and the controls the expression of other genes that come into play the organism grows evidently there are total of no examples in the literature of mutations that affect early development and the body plan as a whole and are not fatal. Somebody explained that one to me briefly who wants to give you start on Stephen if if I'm if if I want to direct the assembly of an animal I've gotta get in their early before they've finished putting together putting all the you know the Hoof Sawn and getting the wool on if he's a sheep sheep I have to say you know I have to get in there early before they start building them so they don't accidentally build a mouse or or a leopard or zebra I have since I looked sheep. Get bones this guy and we need a knows about this big and we need we need if she path. We need well. You get all this stuff together so I've got an act early now if I'm going to now if I'm going to create a new species I'm going to mutate and instead of building a sheep. I'm going to build a little horse because horses coming cheap size where they call well anyway. They're Shetland ponies to do that. There may be a mutation that makes me order purple wool or or the wrong color hooves or a stomach that won't quite fit but a mutation that is going to recreate the creature in such a way that it's a different creature is biologist. Tell me and farmers county almost certainly likely to be fatal. I mean a mutation that makes a huge difference in that starts putting the head on backwards and start starts giving him seventeen tales or or too many internal organs or forgets the blood or something like that because this is right early on that I'm acting when I'm doing tremendously important things and if I make a swipe but this all important stage not gonNA make a little error in the density for it's going to be a big error in the design of the internal the external that makes its creature what it is. That's a that's an informal to everyone. is you give you a dave taste good argumentative disjunction if you talk about major changes if they come late in development. They're not gonNA make a difference. The the organism is already constructed may have lavish eyebrows right okay if they come early. They can't make a difference because inevitably they destroyed the organism too. Many things downstream depend on those early L. Divisions so we're faced with a real destructive dilemma late no good early no good well when we've sort of exhausted the possibilities and I'm sure the David galernter wants to stick up for Darwin one more time as he couldn't have known that this is not an attack on Darwinism manner a thinker scientist but it's the job of science to figure out what guesses the right and what a wrong scientists are paid for making guesses not for making guesses but for making interesting plausible ones and if scientists after after the guests had been made don't do their job don't investigate the gas don't do their best to figure out as a true or false then we are false to science and we're betraying science intelligent design from David Galernter News Essay. The evidence suggests to Meyer who seated with us today that an intelligent designer must have been responsible. I can't accept intelligent design as Meyer presents it close quote you also have seated next to you. David Verlinsky who has been David who has said that his attitude toward intelligent design and I'm quoting him is warm but distant. It's the attitude that I display toward my ex wives so so you have one man who can't accept it another man who definitely wants to keep his distance Meyer out so so. I don't know you want to start the easier case. Try to convince David. Tell us what tell us. What intelligent design is that distinguishes it from some kind of effort to sneak God in by some back door shirt intelligent design parents have just one word? That's definitely not Steve's intention in in this book intelligent design. It's not a way to bring her theological argument. It is a scientific approved purely and I absolutely valid scientifically one can agree with it or disagree with it but one doesn't have to reject it in so far. It's theology making an illegal move because that's not what he's doing. It's not let me just catch the argument shrewdly and then we can just discuss it. The big discovery of the nineteen fifties and sixties was the D._N._A.. Molecule encodes information in a roughly digital or alphabetic or typographic form this new digital because in computer science we have characters in Zeros and ones this. This is creek nineteen fifty. Seven is the sequence hypothesis. You realize that that the information in DNA the chemical sub-units DNA called. nucleated basis were functioning like alphabetic characters in a written text or like the Zeros and ones in the section of Computer Code that is to say it's not it wasn't their chemical properties that gave them their function but rather specific arrangement in record with an independent symbol convention which was later located in the form of what we call the genetic codes we genetic text functioning according to a coat so it really was a pure it was it was pure information. This is a genuine information storage system curric- by the way was a code breaker in World War Two so this is a fascinating application of the information science molecular biology now what we this is and this is the argument that I make. Is that what we know from experience. Is that information whether we find it in a hieroglyphic inscription or a paragraph in a book or information embedded in a radio signal or in a section of computer code whenever we find information and we trace it back to its ultimate source we always come to mind not material process and what I do in the book in Darwin's doubt in my prior book <music> signature in the cell is showed that these undirected evolutionary mechanisms that have been proposed as an explanation for the origin of information fail for various reasons. We've talked about the reason the Darwinian mechanism fails because it can't search the space when it so vast the odds are overwhelmingly willingly against it so if we from materialistic evolutionary standpoint and don't have any explanation for the origin of the information that's necessary to build new biological form and yet we do know from our uniform and repeated experience which is the basis of all scientific reasoning opening of a source of information of a cause of the origin of information that that causes intelligence or mind and so what I've argued in both Darwin's doubt and signature in the cell is that what we're seeing is evidence of the activity of a directing mind in the history of Life David Verlinsky to quote the old saying if you see a turtle on a fence post you know it didn't get there by itself. Look around you. There's intelligence behind this creation. We inhabit yes. That's an easy one for a man like you. Yes I guess not leaving me much to chew with not much. You're a contrary yeah man. What do you mean? I don't know I mean look intelligence in the world intelligence behind the world. I'm relying really this objection. Whatever he comes up with? You're going to be the one who answers so menas kisses <unk> at famine prices. It doesn't really in my point from my point of view doesn't really give us much. It's not yet a theory. I'm certainly say there's a lot of intelligence manifest in the world but at the same time I I think that doesn't relate to talk to you. Tol Look at this. It's information yes it's information. That's pretty good yeah. That's pretty good yeah. It's information. I recognize that information some loose sense maybe Shannon since maybe a more elegant can formulation of information theory but I'm much more persuaded by something that leads to a strong counter intuitive claim for example that the information is embedded in topology in a certain way that makes it inevitable that certain life forms will emerge that would be an interesting conclusion for time. I thought there was such a <hes> a mathematical construction. I don't think my confidence was entirely well-founded but it was a good idea but just to say that the world is charged with the grandeur of God. I could've said that before thinking about biology it is that's true David Galernter. I'm quoting U._S.. Again if there was an intelligent designer what was your strategy Reggie. How did he manage to back himself into so many corners wasting energy on so many doomed organisms? What was his purpose and why did he do such a slip slipshod job? Why are we so disease prone heartbreak prone and so on close quote? Aren't you setting a pretty high stay. Aren't you saying in effect either. Stephen Meyer can explain all the mysteries of the human heart or he's not allowed to say anything that is to say the difference between a purely materialistic view that all what we see around us came about purely as a matter of chance and Stevens view that there is intelligence however little we can say about it however little we understand what we mean by that. That's still a fundamental finding. The question is whether the world around us that you're pointing at meets your standard of intelligence whether whether the design that we see is in fact an intelligent designer total mess when I look at the world at large I see a mess when I look at the mind of man I see a worse mess. I see a creature as likely to do bad as good or more likely I see many creatures who are who are faded to die out without leaving any contribution that we can associate with value not even becoming oil or I don't look at I don't look at world as we know it as more likely the result of intelligence than random playing around than just random taking your chances think if you took your chances you you'd come up with a mess like the world you you'd. You'd have some lucky breaks. There's some really great people. There are some beautiful cities like florins. They're all sorts of lay down the valley. They're wonderful things but on the whole I would fail this world if I were grading get. This is an important point in the Tom by the way I won't make there's a famous argument between base and based on my two schools of thought who are who lived at the same time famous disagreeing about every and one of them was a lot like David but and but there's only one there's only one question on which they ever agreed and that question was is it good that the earth was created is a good that the universe was created is it is it is a good it happened and hill says trauma agrees with notes catastrophe if we had to go back and do it all again have to tell the Almighty don't don't do it. The suffering outweighs go or Stephen so they've been intelligent design. It wasn't that intelligent. I look at it a little differently. I see two things when I look at nature I see evidence of design aboriginal design and original meaning from the beginning in different in different groups of organisms from basic but you also see evidence of decay and that's also something that's consistent with what when designers make things then there's this thing we call entropy and I think here are theological perspective does help because I think you from the Judeo-christian perspective you would expect to see both evidence of of original creation or original design but you would also expect to see that something's gone wrong in nature as well and I think we both so my theological perspectives inform my ability to answer that question about the things in nature that don't look so well. It's interesting for example the problem of virulent bacteria nasty nasty bugs dogs they are the R- the their they are invariably the result of a loss of information as a result of the mutational process so the very process that Darwinist have invoked to explain the origin of good design is actually I think responsible for the evidence of decay so I think there's a this is the question in philosophy known as the Odyssey you know the problem and so I think there's ways of thinking about that but I but but for me the evidence of design is powerful it's ubiquitous in in both in life and at the level physics of things like the fine tuning of the laws and constants of physics so I very powerful signal design but I don't deny the decay in the suffering in the world and I have a theological wave understand if if ZIP if the the bad viruses are always a result of that fits the theology perfectly with the theology suggests that good is the entity evil has no independent existence. It's always a uh-huh defect or shortcoming in the good right isn't that right. I think it does fit and and there's quite a lot of microbiology actually supports that viewpoint but back to you Dr Galernter what are two of the Great Jewish minds in history doing saying the creation bad when the beginning of the Hebrew scripture is God saw that it was good. We're department Darwin just again this. I can't resist that one. It's absolutely true that that he we saw that it was good and bullet to creation stories agree that the that that the world is a good thing and yet immediately as far as the Bible is concerned men start screwing up from from Adam and eve mm to canaan able to Noah and his ark to the stories of the Patriarchs and the world in which they lived to Moses who leads Israel to the Promised Land and the people are Bitch. They're constantly. Fighting arguing struggling being a nuisance in every conceivable way so it God creates a perfect world on the other hand. He hasn't created perfect creature. That's why we are obligated to study and struggle study the good and try to struggle in that direction but I want to say I have no theological argument with with Steve What I my argument is with people who dismiss Intelligent Jin design without considering it seems to me it's widely dismissed in my world of academia as some sort of theological put up job. It's an absolutely serious scientific argument in fact the first and most obvious and intuitive two one that comes to mind. It's got to be dealt with intellectually not not by the bigotry and religious bigotry which is one of the most important fact of the intellectual world the United States the West generally the kate. The case for intelligent design is not based on <hes> we we can have a theological discussion. We've had a bit here but the case for intelligent design isn't an interpretation or deduction from the scriptural tax right. It's an inference from biological evidence and and in that sense it's different things that assertion and you say Yep. He's being honest about that and anybody can say that but I think it's an important assertion because outside the scientific world one might not know how ideologically logically bent the world of science parts of the world signs are becoming I say with real sorrow and it's certainly not true of every scientist or even both sides but we have a cautionary tale in what happened to our English departments in all right scoot apartments could happen to us all right gone from my my sort of my last round of questions here. I'm going to quote you once again. David Galernter Darwinism is no longer just a scientific theory but the basis of a world world view and an emergency religion for the many troubled souls who need one close quote now lots of people have invested lots of energy and discrediting Dr Berlin Sqi and Dr Dr Mayer over the years you Dr Galernter are a professor of unquestioned competence and achievement in computer science and computer science is with it baby. It is right right in the middle of the new World War creating. It's technocracy. We don't have to ask ultimate questions. We just have to deal with Zeros and ones. It's totally rational. It's producing a Cornucopia of new wealth and now galernter goes over to the other side. He's with us all so what what's the reception being trader at New Haven and in your profession in academia I mean it's a serious question. What's going okay? I have to make a distinction between the way I've been treated personally which isn't a very courteous include your way by my colleagues. They're nice guys and I like them. They're my friends on the other hand when I look at their intellectual behavior what they publish and much more than what they tell their students Darwinism has indeed past beyond a scientific argument as far as they are concerned. Take your life in your hands to talent intellectually they will destroy if you challenge it now. I haven't been destroyed. I'm not a biologist and you know I don't claim to be an authority on this topic but and you know a book review is not the same as a buckets deserve a satellite around the book anyway. It remains the case that I have nothing personally to charge my colleagues with but what I've seen in their behavior intellectual colleagues across the West is nothing approaching free speech on this topic is a bitter rejection. Not just a sort of bitter fundamental angry outraged violent rejection which comes nowhere near scientific or intellectual discussion. I've seen that happen again and again. I'm Darwinism. Don't you say a word against it or will I don't WanNa hear you period which proves that you're attacking their religion in effect. I am attacking religion and I don't blame them for being all head up. It is a big issue for them. Unquestionably Dr Berlin ski who holds his doctorate in philosophy wanted to part. This isn't strictly Darwin but it's I'm indulging myself. This is a quotation to struck me as compelling for a long time but for a long time I've thought I really want to try it on Verlinsky so here we go okay. I'll try this is C.. S. Lewis granted that reason is prior to matter. I can understand how men should come to know a lot about the universe they live in. If on the other hand I swallow the scientific cosmology and for scientific cosmology women as well will read the Darwinian theory of evolution. If I swallow the scientific cosmology then not only can I not fit in religion but I cannot even fit in science here we go. Here's the here's the payoff hey on this. If minds are wholly dependent on brains and brains on Bio Chemistry and biochemistry on the meaningless flux of the atoms I cannot understand how the thought of those mind should have any more significance than the sound of the wind in the trees close quote. He's onto something there isn't he isn't the existence of isn't consciousness the first question we have to answer not mine totally just not even the first question I would think of asking. Why does it seem so very compelling to you or C._S.? Lewis business yet one of those things. It's certainly true that I'm conscious entre. I have my doubts about you and and these two guys hit but those doubts really don't matter a whole lot. I'm prepared to welcome my friends as Automata not to me he. He's he's he's he's not onto. A pointer is onto. Something is just uninteresting. I I'm not sure I understand the point I mean let's say this. Make any sense to you. Expense to me this. This is what bothered Thomas Nagel and he's become a skeptic of Neo Darwinism is that minds are real things and if you can't give an account of where they came from or what they do that isn't itself self-defeating then you end up in incoherent okay galernter to break the tie because his latest book was on consciousness. I I have to agree. I'm also admire of NATO and the question consciousness is unsolved. Ee you can argue whether it's important or not. I think I think most people intuitively believe it's important I think they're right but the the question the origins of life and in the art of consciousness intellectual book ends of Modern Science and philosophy and we can't say much about either of them we can't characterize either of them and if we can characterize them. We're not really in a position to explain how they emerged. Let seems to me a prior commitment to be able to say what we wish to explain. Someone says I'm deeply puzzled about consciousness. We everybody says that a very fashionable thing they say in Teen Vogue for Heaven's sakes but I would like to have a better sense of what is prompting the puzzlement. I don't have that I can't sit in your seat when you're sitting there so I can't experience your sensations when you're having them all right so what why is that intelligible from a scientific or philosophical no point of view as a pressing issue if you say most of your friends happen to be Automata will turn you into an Automata and you'll get a fifty dollar coupon right now where you can spend in Florida. Would you accept the deal or not fifty bucks and my consciousness yet for coming up but now you're just dickering the price exactly but that's true of all intellectual discussions. We're always talking about out the price. The price seems to me very low to be puzzled. There are lots of things that are puzzling in the world some of them. We understand some of them. We don't follow your consciousness at least fifty dollars fifty dollars. At least you've established a floor. Yeah we can go up from that. We're all saying it's a mystery but we're framing the mystery and that's exactly right. It's a puzzle. I don't even I'm not even persuaded. It's a mystery in the sense which the structure of a natural language whatever it is it's valuable to you to me. Maybe not to you just as yours is valuable to you but not entirely to me but we have to be very skeptical about these claims of profundity because when examined they don't. Always remain what they seem. They don't always remain that gentlemen let me name three names that all but remade modern consciousness. I think the three of you would agree with that formulation relation when you hear the names nineteenth and early twentieth century Karl Marx no longer taken seriously I a few faculty lounges in American Universities Fundamentally Karl Marx no longer taken seriously Sigmund Freud fascinating a few interesting insights but psychology has now moved so far beyond Freud that at universities across the country they renaming the departments the departments of Psychology College and Brain Sciences. We're scanning brains we all right and now we have Darwin and the three of you are taking him down to. What does this mean for the way people think about the world is this? He won't go down easily. No one is taken down for every decade. I'm with DAVID LLOYD RISES IN MY S. W John's feminists in the nineteen seventies were outraged eight because of something he said or didn't say in a political way has nothing to do with value writing but I'm right at two out of three marks and Darwin certainly marks in Darwin Marx's kind of a win bag with let's agree on that astor person yeah didn't bay the whole lot faster certainly had no sense of style. Dalwin is a different case. I think you're under something to group them together because talked about how Darwinism David talked about Darwinism has become the foundation of a worldview and if you look at the questions that they address <hes> Marx Darwin tells us where we came from <hes> marks has a Utopian vision of the future and Freud tells us what to do about our guilt in between the three of these great materialistic thinkers of the Nineteenth Century and early twentieth century they form the basis of a kind of comprehensive materialistic worldview they answer all the same questions that traditional Judeo Christian religion has addressed and so it's understandable when we're talking about some of the the <hes> intense opposition that Darwin skeptics often face that it's understandable when you realize that you actually ah it makes sense because you're challenging of fundamental plank in the world view of many scientists. Many scientists equate their world view of scientific materialism with the practice of science itself when you challenge one of the things that has that supports that worldview you're GonNa get a AH very emotive reaction. That's often what happens less question here and I'm going to quote David Galernter Essay one final time Darwin now poses a final challenge whether biology will rise to this last just one as well as it did to the first when his theory upset every apple cart remains to be seen how cleanly and quickly can the field get over Darwin and move on striking sentence. This is one of the most important questions facing science in the twenty first century close quote is generational. There's a whole generation of biologists have to die before the field gets over Darwin what's going to happen here might be generational operational at the past and I think that would be a great outcome to have the old guard die and and but you know religion is imparted more than anything else by the parents to the children and and and the young people have been brought up little darwinist. I mean kids. I see running around new haven Darwin anyway children. I mean the students in my class Darwin so I these guys are no more battle than I do not oh well. I think Dalwin is eternal because the eternal eternal the name is eternal the ideas eternal the beliefs the commitment they're all eternal. The theory will disappear good riddance to a bad theory but no matter what the beautiful theory all right. It's a beautiful theory whatever it is it will disappear but whatever replaces it will be called Darwinian no doubt about that no matter what Krishna Heresy Z. Emerges in the ties of time. It's always called a Christian heresy. This will be a Darwinian heresy but that legacy that commemorative legacy will never disappear. It's part of the history of the subject just like Newton will not disappear but Newton David Galernter. I'm prepared for that one because I read David galernter essay very carefully and and they foresee based on your work and your work so <music> as as as David says look there's a range of physical phenomena very big things planets stars Newton isn't too good at that very tiny things quantum mechanics tiny particles we can't he's not good at that. Ah But this huge range Newton is perfectly predictive. It fits it comports flawlessly with a ninety eight percent of human exit and Darwin doesn't have to go farther on it since stars Oh I do but I think what David Verlinsky is getting out is that darwinism filled a niche in our intellectual life that is necessary. You've gotta have to give some kind of account of where all these wonderfully really intricate systems we call living organisms came from and the fundamental commitment of Darwinism some kind of bottom up materialistic account where the molecules get more complex inform molecule more complex molecules in cells in the cells compete to form more complex organisms so now what we're getting his post neo Darwinian theories of evolution that are trying to provide new mechanisms that will account for the the do things that the Darwinian mechanism doesn't account for so even you bear the scars of abuse from Darwinist say Darwin may have been mistaken in his answers but he was asking invaluable. He's asking invaluable questions but I think he got it wrong. I think all Darwinian lineage in the broad sense get it wrong. They're trying to explain something very very complex in terms of bottom up undirected processes and what we see in life complex miniature machines complex information processing systems digital code these are things that are the hallmark of mind and they suggest rather a top down instead of a bottom up approach so I'm sure people committed to materialistic view of things we'll continue to to generate bottom-up explanations but I think we're in a new day. We're looking at life in light of our own tech digital computing technologies and realizing bears these systems bear all the hallmarks of design. Let's start to look at life differently and I think looking at it from the bottom up. Darwinian approaches holding science back. We're starting to make predictions based on intelligent design. We were some some of our guys were the first people to predict that the non coding regions of the genome previously identified as junk by the NEO Darwinian 's have in fact are in fact importantly functional and so there's the looking at life as a design system is actually yielding insights into how life works. It's a new day. You'll go with that. Yes sort of there's been big changes. Let's put it this way. I think what we have determined German disease. The Darwin created nineteenth century local theory without looking at extreme cases that was reasonably successful for breeders for the explanation of local characteristics like BIEKSA's or the growth of wings but he entirely failed to explain what he thought he was explaining the emergence of biological complexity on the species level or higher order levels he wasn't isn't it was a premature question to address an audience about the origin of species he couldn't say anything about what he did not know what he could not comprehend and the fact that he did not know could not comprehend comprehend. These things is simply a reflection of the fact that we do not know or cannot comprehend those things in the twenty first century so the question was the question addressed was widely premature in the nineteenth century. It's still premature. We're just learning the structure of intellectual inquiry necessary to understand something like the biological cell and it's much harder problem than we ever suspected much harder David Galernter your last word to you. Do you concur it is much harder. Absolutely it's fantastically difficult problem will solve it but it's is not gonNa be simple David galernter author most recently of the tides of consciousness. Thank you David Berlin ski author of many all three of you author of many books but author in this case relevant volume. Is that Niable Darwin.

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Ep. 750 - Epstein's Death Will Test our System

The Andrew Klavan Show

49:32 min | 2 years ago

Ep. 750 - Epstein's Death Will Test our System

"Democrat presidential candidates have descended on iowa increasing the population there by twenty two percent as the candidates try to act like normal americans by grilling corn dogs lugs on flaming flag were staging sacrifices with people who are actually sacked during the obama konami voters are trying to choose whether to hear their stump speeches or just jab a screwdriver screwdriver repeatedly into their ears to see that's less painful. Beta aurora has seen his poll numbers rise since a drunken cedar rapids said he'd vote for beta then passed out before for he could explain that he meant to say biden and always get those two confused. A rourke has tried to changes campaign tactics by limiting his speeches to a series of outlandish hand motions <unk> holy disconnected from any meaning. He may be trying to convey a roy tried to explain this new tactic to a reporter but knocked her unconscious with a nonsensical gesture before she he could understand what he wasn't saying. 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Political observers say the democrat campaign is likely to continue well into donald trump's election trigger warning. I'm andrew clayton and this is the andrew klavan show mm c thompson zippy's so wonderful to see well as we've discussed many times corrupt systems corrupt everyone inside them. Once a society accepts the logic of evil it gets difficult to tell the perpetrators from the victims in a society that accepts the evil of slavery for instance slaveholders will include dude good and great men like george washington in a society that accepts the evil of abortion. People who commit abortion will include the girl next door. It gets very tough to assign individual blame claim when the very atmosphere becomes toxic with corruption. I believe that's happened to our news. Media lots of good people cover the news lots of good reporters do good reporting but even there good reporting support system whose corrupt mission is to expand the powers of the federal government to the point where america's unique commitment to individual liberty becomes becomes extinct as part of its rid century series the new york times ran hilariously stupid stories about how great sex was for women in the slave state eight of the soviet union and now as part of their sixteen nineteen project. They're trying to rewrite american history to put black americans at the center of it in howard zinn fashioned fashioned this week they're running a piece conflicting capitalism with southern slavery and say the two are deeply connected. These stories are corrupt and dishonest and aimed at undermining undermining the great good of american liberty in order to replace it with the slave system of socialism so if you're a good reporter at the new york times a guy or girl who's talented gathering information and you go out and get a well research. Well researched story on. Let's say jeffrey epstein's death. You're giving credence and credibility to a newspaper that is selling garbage into the hearts hearts and minds of its readers you to have become corrupt by being in the corrupt system. That is the new york times. That's why jeffrey epstein's death is going to be such a test of four overall system. Epstein was able to operate so long without consequences because powerful people sexually abused underage girls and boys. They do it in hollywood. They do it in churches. They do it on wall street and in washington d._c. They do it a lot now again. We're not talking about pedophilia. This is not some sick twisted urge to abuse little children children. This is the immoral choice of sane successful high functioning men and some women to harness their power so the purpose of using less powerful people for for their sexual pleasure. This is corruption plain and simple now. I have no doubt that there are good people even great people in our government and legal systems there the law dogs who tried to bring epstein to the justice they seem to have acted without fear favour the attorney general william bar so far strikes me as a pretty straight arrow the democrats in media or attacking him anyway. That's always a good sign but the question now is is our system's so corrupt that even these good people cannot discover epstein died and rundown his accomplices personally. I think the federal government administered powerful. I think that kind of power corrupts. I think corruption will protect corruption and i suspect the abuse of young people will continue at an epidemic level among our despicable kickable elites and the epstein story will trail away to nothing. Maybe i'm wrong. Maybe the good guys will win in the end. We're going to find out let us talk. We're going to talk more about this but let us talk first about birch gold. You know you look at our financial situation. I know things are going well in terms of unemployment and in terms of the g._d._p. The people and you look the debt it is out of control and nobody is doing anything about it and that means gold becomes traditionally a really good investment. You can't afford to take another hit. Your savings and retirements like last time this happened last time things crash <hes> the remember the s._n._p. Dropped fifty percent of dropped again in yesterday. 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To get your no cost no obligation kit text andrew two four seven four seven four seven again text andrew my name two four seven four seven four seven so here is the washington post. I'm sorry i can't quote a more reliable source but you know this. One sounds like a a reliable story an autopsy and again. I trust the emmy who's doing this. The lady was doing this. I al- also i know epstein's lawyer has very a talented and generally well regarded <hes> dr watching this <hes> an autopsy found that financier jeffrey epstein sustained multiple breaks leaks in his neck bones according to people familiar with the findings deepening the mystery about the circumstances around his death among the bones broken and epsteins neck was the high bone which in men is near the adam's apple. Such breaks can occur in those who hang themselves particularly if they're older according to forensics experts and studies on the subject that they are more common in victims of homicide by strangulation the expert said the details of the first findings to emerge from the autopsy of epstein a convicted sex offender <hes> you know the thing about this is the word is that he strangled himself he hanged himself by tying a bedsheet to the upper part of a bunk and and basically kneeling down and strangling himself hard to imagine that breaks a bone right with assault with a soft cloth you're not it's not like dropping off a awful ladder dropping through a trap door like when you're being hanged <hes> so this if these findings pan out of the story pans out again. It's just really suspicious suspicious. You don't need to be a conspiracy theorist to think. Wait what the hell is going on. <hes> there was another story recently from c._b._s. News on the morning of jeffrey epstein's sin's death there was shouting and shrieking from his jail cell. I mean all we need. We need his video. Now of bill clinton like running the way in escaping and suddenly donald trump is going to sound like a lot more <hes> <hes> perspicacious than he did when he basically re tweeted this <hes> from the daily beast yet another story. I gotta read these stories because this is just the stuff. That's been piling up. I didn't cover this yesterday and this is stuff is piling up members of congress furious over jeff's jeffrey epstein's death in federal custody are set on getting to the bottom of it before the many conspiracy theories swirling around the accused serial sex offenders demise completely overshadow the fact they're obviously running far behind by the time the democratic and republican leaders of the house judiciary committee sent a letter to the federal the bureau of prisons on monday demanding answers about the circumstances of epstein's apparent suicide country already had two full days to marinate in president trump's reso- it's all president zor trump's won't listen. It doesn't take president trump to see a conspiracy here and again again. We're talking about a media that gave us the russian collusion conspiracy conspiracy <hes> all this time. There was no simply no evidence zero evidence zero evidence that donald trump was in some kind of coordinated relationship hip with russians to throw the election the all the evidence now really all of it is on the other side that it was barack obama and his spy organizations <hes> that were colluding and conspiring against him <hes> andrew c mccarthy has a new book about this called ball of collusion. We're trying to get on the line for today. Hopefully he'll be here later in the show but you know when when you talk about the stuff nobody this story about sexual abuse of young people. I know i've talked about this a lot but i think about it. A lot is as i said it's it's part of the plot of another kingdom part three which which will be starting as a podcast <hes> in september and it's part of the plot because i think it is at the core of the kind of corruption going on among our elites. We have an elite that has lost its idea that there is some kind of <hes> religious meaning to life we have an elite that is so separate separate separated from the rank and file of americans that they think it's perfectly fine to run a scam to throw a president the president out because they they don't like him because he's not one of them that we have this elite that has lost its way and one of the things that people do when they are so powerful that no one can touch them that no one wants to touch them. The press is in their pocket because the press is part of them. The press is the elite right where the press reporters used to be working class guys who just who loved taking down the powerful no matter who they were now when that happens the upper middle management <hes> who has control over the editorials kill those stories. That's why sharyl attkisson isn't and c._b._s. C._b._s. anymore. That's why <hes> there were no stories about obama abusing his power. You know they are part of the same when you have that young a young people are going to get abused because as roman polanski said after he raped and drugged and sodomized the little girl he said what's the problem. We all like young girls will will yes we do. We all are attracted young girls. That doesn't make it right. I know this is such a tough thing for leads to understand. I mean i remember woody allen when he was in that scandal going off with me. Pharaohs step though adopted child he said well. The heart wants what it wants. Well screw your heart and what it wants. We all know no. I mean all you have to do is go back to aristotle. Who says all ethics. All ethics goes against our desires. That's what ethics are. That's what morality is but once you get so powerful once you lose the the <hes> the plot of religious life metaphysics. He stopped thinking about that stuff and it just seems right. Those girls are they're. Are there are attractive you want them. Why should you have the heart wants what it wants. I've got the money. I've got little island where nobody can find me. I've got the private jet. Why not you know i have after just play this just for comic relief really chris matthews. This is chris. Matthews trying to figure out he's trying to figure out can't quite crack the case of why all these rich powerful people were willing to hang out with jeffrey epstein. What was what was that thing. What were they looking for when they were hanging now with jeffrey epstein here is chris matthews on the case you and i know politics in this town near a lawyer and he is in the law but one thing culture that goes on a politics that i find really dismaying politicians need money. A lot of them aren't that wealthy. They live on their salaries. Just one hundred eighty half a year. They're they're not crying but they love travel in private planes. They have have to get around for their professional and political raises. They become so called friends with the wrong people. These people are frightening and they want something from. They want the prestige of hanging around a politician and they these relationships are awful the names that have come. I don't wanna use her name's tonight but the name why are these people know a guy like this guy epstein why don't even want to know because a lotta times the most valuable asset their politicians have is access access to their power that they exercise presumably on behalf of the american people but then they end up sometimes giving that access to sleazy characters like epstein who was running this vast criminal conspiracy yes. It's the private planes chris. That's what they love. They love those private planes. You know it's rich powerful political people. They just love those drive. It binds nothing. Girls not twelve year old girls thirteen fourteen fifteen year old girls on the private planes not the island the private plane lands on that's filled with sex slaves and dot com. That's not what people want. They want those private planes. It's really tough to understand. I mean this is the kind of blind when you know the the problem with chris matthews and the guy's not stupid stupid guy that he does not understand how badly power corrupts and this is the problem. This is the problem with all. These guys want more more government who want more power who wanna take our guns away who don't think we should be able to speak freely. This is the problem is they really have convinced themselves that all these nice democrats are going to be fine. It's hilarious because they go after donald trump. Every day. How awful he is but he they want him to have more power. They want his office to have more power because they're convinced they can put barack obama into power forever. Essentially it's not a bomb. It'll be the next obama and the obama after that and if there's a problem they'll make sure they rigged the system so that that doesn't happen anymore. You know just to finish up up about epstein <hes> well before i do that. Let me talk about this. Talk about something more pleasant than that for for just a moment. Let's talk about express v._p._n. Speaking about corruption there are people out there who want to steal your stuff off the internet your idea your credit credit cards all that stuff and i personally i try never to think about it and one of the reasons i cannot think about it as i use express v._p._n. It what it does. You know. It's not so bad guys. It's also big tech companies that use your i._p. Address to match your genetic have activity to your identity and location. That stuff drives me crazy to the fact that i found talking to my wife. Something is listening to me on my devices and and gives me the ads they want. I use express v._p._n. Search engines media sites can't see my i._p. I._p. address at all. My identity is masked and anonymous d- express v._p._n. Has the added benefit of encrypting one hundred percent of your data to keep you safe from people. You don't want to have your data express v._p._n. Software takes just a minute to set up on your computer or phone tap one bit button and you're protected. Protect your online activity today with v._p._n. I trust to keep my data safe visit express v._p._n. Dot com slash cliven declaiming exclusive offer for my fans. That's e. x. P. r. e. s. s. Ask v. p. N. dot com slash cleveland for three months free with a one year package visit express v._p._n. Dot com slash klavan to get started and you want to protect the information. How do you spell cleveland. You do not want that getting out. I never tell anybody how to spell claves k. l. a. v. a. n. Yeah one of the things i keep talking about his weight. How effective it is to kill people. Get you know killing witnesses. Things like that really works. I mean it really is a good strategy. If you don't want to go to jail in your some corrupt <hes> dirtbag dirtbag who wants to protect himself killing witnesses if you get away with it it really works there is and i was talking about the fact that now with <hes> epstein gone it's going. It'd be very hard. You know they keep saying his his co conspirators. <hes> shouldn't rest easy bill bar said but i think they can respite easy i mean i think again and there's an article article <hes> in the op-ed page of the times from renato mariotti the cold truth about the jeffrey epstein case mariotti is a former federal prosecutor prosecutor and he says the cold truth is the pursuit of justice in the epstein case just got a lot harder. His suicide makes the path for his victims. More difficult and the justice could receive less complete. Mr epstein criminal case will end soon prosecutors can't pursue a criminal case against a dead person prosecutors can pursue the charges against co-conspirators but those cases will not be easy after all. It's not a crime to work for a criminal unless you're on the crime so how they're gonna prove that al any of these people people knew would epstein was up to in addition when mr epstein died prosecutors lost certain tools in their kit that would have helped them bring charges against accomplices. If he were alive he could've flipped down down and cooperated against them if he was convicted and faced stiff sentence all that has been lost. Perhaps the greatest blow still reading from this. Perhaps the greatest blow to victims was the loss of a public trial of mr epstein that would have brought new evidence interview unless federal prosecutors charged someone like as <hes> because lane what's her name is lane maxwell. <hes> as an accomplice documents obtained from grand jury subpoenas will not be disclosed evidence obtained from subpoenas or search warrants will be preserved but without a trial it might never see the light of day again. You know this is this is a moral question. This is a question of moral failure among our elites and i know i know oh that poor people abuse young people to obviously this is something that has been happening for forever you know but but it's a moral failing among the people and it's important to remember this. I'm not this is not saying oh. It's it's not as bad when people abused children. Of course that's even in some ways that's even worse but if view are attracted to little children there's something sick and twisted and even demonic about that desire that is urging you on that. Is you know that's not a normal thing. That's like going after you know. It's like a fetish that is not a normal way to be but it is normal to be you know. Roman polanski was right. It is normal to be attractive. Young women is normal to be attracted acted to young people in general if your gaze it's young young men and that's why you know we we talked for a while last week. I think it was about once upon a time in hollywood the new quentin tarintino picture and there's this one scene in it that really sticks with you when brad pitt who becomes the hero of the film and he becomes the moral center of the film and he becomes becomes the center of masculinity and manhood in the film which is what everybody is reacting about the left of course is absolutely <hes> furious about it and people on the right or really elite charmed by the film and there was this moment when one of charles manson's the murderer charles manson's women tries to seduce brad pitt and he just laughs. Yes it off said honestly put fifteen year old girls. That's not what i do but that's speak first of all in that moment as as an audience member and i think everybody in the audience feels the same way. You suddenly love brad pitt. He suddenly realize oh. Here's a man here's a man. Here's a guy who does the right thing. In the girl has been in the film. They've put her in every sexual position. You can put her in. I don't mean sex positions. I mean they've had are bending over and they've had her throwing her legs and she's leaning back and she's doing everything to make her seductive and sexy and pitches. No i don't do that because it's not right and that's and you sit there and you go you. Sit up in your seat and go off. You know a man. Here's a man here's a moral man because she's attractive and one of the things about manson is manson was hooked into some really important people in hollywood. He ranged free among them. He was obviously a lunatic you only at the look at him to see who's a lunatic. You wonder like how why did he do that. Why was he able to do that. Why was he able to meet these people. Why was he able to hang out with all these rock stars and so forth yeah must've been the private jets it must have been the private is because he was followed around by young girls who did what he told them to do. That's why that's why this is. An aspect of. This is a corruption thing. This is a corruption thing. I know it's a sex thing. I know that makes it kind of interesting but it is it is a corruption thing more than anything you know. I'm going to pause here and we'll get back to some of this in a little bit but we got andy mccarthy on the line and i've been <hes> looking at his book with his show amazing and speaks right into this very subject of corruption at the highest levels <hes> andrew as you know probably a former u._s. Assistant attorney who led and helped convict the nineteen ninety-five terrorism case ace against sheikh omar abdel rahman for the nineteen ninety-three bombing of the world trade center is a contributing editor national review and he's on fox news <hes> <hes> he he has been the gold standard for writing about the investigation and the i don't know what would you call it. At this point. The plot against president trump has now how brought out his book a ball of collusion the plot to rig an election and destroy presidency. I've been reading. It and it's good to see how you doing drew. I'm doing great. How are are you alright. I don't i don't see enough of. I'll always seem to be interviewing. You and i see this book. I mean this. This book really rocked me and one of the reasons it really rock music because it's all in plain sight and it's so much worse than people really have their heads around yet. I think i got if i can keep this as simple as we can. Because once you get into the you know carter page and page and struck and you know he just gets very confusing but let's begin this way. The corruption in the obama administration between the corrupt relationship luna bama administration and the intelligence services was there before trump. Is that a fair way to put it. Yeah i think so drew and that's really the thing. I hope that people will take away. I think to go to the point that you're making this is such a sprawling narrative on its own and we've really been looking at it almost exclusively for the last two years. What you forget i think is that it has a factual context didn't come out of nowhere. It actually fits in historically and i think if you place it in that historical context that's where you have an eight year record and i think it's a strong record. I bet you people judge for themselves. Whether i made the case or not but i think there's a very strong record that they politicize lettuce is intelligence. Certainly there intelligence agents thought they politicized intelligence but they politicized intelligence for eight years. I mean we're all familiar with benghazi debacle in that they did to get the iran deal across the finish line but there's a whole array of that activity that went on for eight years and i think they also used the criminal justice process in a punitive way very often over the course of eight years so that if you think about it that way i don't think it should be surprising to people that when they really needed a political narrative supported by intelligence and law enforcement processes in order to rationalize. Mrs clinton's loss the this is what these guys were made for. This is what they do. Give me give me one example that left up to my mind is john brennan lying about spying on congress can. Can you just lay that out just a little bit so we so i we have an example of what you're talking about. Yeah sure he when not when brennan was the head of the c._i._a. The senate intelligence committee was looking at the interrogation tactics that were i used against terrorists who were in american custody in the war following nine eleven and the c._i._a. Hacked into the senate intelligence committee's computer system to get loaded what they were looking at and when they call them on it <hes> he said spy on the senate. We wouldn't say it's it's like crazy. That's beyond what we would ever do and since his lips were moving while he was saying that you kind of knew that they didn't a- and this now so let me let me just read a portion of this by the way i should mention that rush limbaugh <hes> gave this book such a great review <hes> talking about it really is a comprehensive look at this and again what is incredible about it is. It's not like you were digging up stuff. You just followed followed the actual news. None of this stuff is stuff that they can deny but let me just read this one portion here very briefly. A russia gate is is a complicated sprawling story. Multi agency and transcontinental spanning law enforcement and intelligence operations featuring top secret reductions classified leaks intricate narrative threads reds and list of dramatic person a that person that would dizzy a russian novelist. It's easy lose track of basic facts but here's the most basic one. There was never never a shred of evidence that the trump campaign conspired with the kremlin so there's nothing i mean is that that's fair to say. There was no evidence that this was the collusion thing actually happened at all. I think it's fair to say andrew if you if you look at collusion as freighted by what it was presented to us as in the first place which was that there was the cyber espionage conspiracy between the trump campaign and and the kremlin in order to steal the election now i think the game that they play is how can you say that there was no collusion because laws as an english word as opposed to the narrative that was presented to you and i are colluding by having this conversation i mean it's just concerted activity. It could be benign and could be sinister. Our conversations probably sinister as as usual as usual but but it could be anything in between right. There's is nothing necessarily bad or let alone criminal about colluding but the way this was presented to the public especially in the framework of the election election it was it was presented very specifically as trump was in cahoots with the putin regime in connection with the hacking of the democratic email accounts with the objective of swinging the an election to trump or stealing from mrs clinton on election by right she should have one and that's how it was presented to us with respect to that. I don't think there's a shred. I probably should modify by saying. I don't think there's a shred of credible evidence of that and the reason i make that qualification is if you look at the steele dossier christopher steele does alleged alleged that that happened but he's got no evidence that it happened so i don't regard his say so as evidence and certainly if i were a prosecutor cuter as i used to be <hes> you wouldn't you wouldn't regard that as evidence unless you could corroborate it and my my beef as you know with would steal is that he really wasn't. He's called constantly a source by the f._b._i. And the justice department it was not a source in the term form of art sense that we talk about sources. When you go to court to get a warrant it was much more in the position of a case agent on a case who aggregates all of the information from the various witnesses and presented to the court the sources in in the context of a warrant or the people who see see and hear who made the observations that the judge is being asked to rely on for purposes of probable cause to issue the warrant steele didn't didn't see or hear anything and didn't even report to see or hear anything most of what he reports which by the way is quite intentionally from russian sources so if somebody here turned to foreign sources to tap kremlin sources to get dirt on a presidential candidate is no evidence that trump did that certainly not not successfully. There's immense evidence that the clinton campaign and the democrats did it but if you were going to a court for a warrant the judge would ask you will watch your probable cause and if you said to him well. I have this great case agent. <hes> we wins agent of the year every year always college thank. He's just fabulous. <hes> the judgment look at you like you had three heads because what the judge would say is no. No don't tell me about the guy who accumulated the information. Tell me why should trust the sources that you say slow and heard these things that amount to probable us and they didn't have add that and that's a problem drew not just for. I think the election process and the f._b._i. And the justice department i think it's a fair question to ask the fis occurred what what the hell they were thinking of signing off on these lawrence because that's what they use but one of the things in this speaks to the title of the book ball of collusion the very process ossis they use to investigate this implicates barack obama doesn't it. I mean the fact that this was an intelligence investigation. Could can you explain that so so we can understand handed. I mean th yet yep yeah. We often talk about that. We don't want political interference in law enforcement and i think that's absolutely right. We don't want our political leadership to decide side who gets indicted and who doesn't so what i like to say is that that criminal investigations which are very different character from counterintelligence investigations from investigations are about vindicating the rule of law in judicial proceeds. The reason that you do them is to <unk> build criminal cases in order to uphold the law. There's no political agenda twos on that. It's we have to have rule of law. We're going to have a flourishing society very different from that is counterintelligence investigations in fact. It's almost unfortunate that they're both called investigation because they're they're a different character. Counterintelligence investigations are done only for the president. The only reason we do counterintelligence investigations is to <music> gather information about foreign powers that might threaten american interests so that the president can carry out his constitutional responsibility for national security of the united states so they are done exclusively for the president did not done for judicial proceedings. You can't obstruct a counterintelligence intelligence investigation. Certainly president couldn't 'cause it's done for the president and it's the kind of information that you would expect to find for example in the president's daily briefing that he gets every day about what the the threat mosaic against the country is at any given period of time so when you say that something's a counterintelligence investigation. It's something that's being done for the president and that's the theory behind it as a practical matter here. I think there's a lot of evidence and i lay it out in the book that obama knew exactly what was going on from the beginning year while while so in other words they it's kind of a fishing expedition in the first displace right to have a counter intelligence investigation into a political campaign. Is it yeah i i would have if i had it to do over again. I might have called this pretext. Although i don't know i don't know any temptation songs of all time. I what i think happened happen. Here is the kanner intelligence investigation was a pretext for what they were trying to which was a criminal investigation even though they didn't you have a criminal predicate usually in this country with supposed to happen as a crime happens and then you assign the prosecutors and the investigators here they went after trump. They didn't have a crime now. I find one right the criminal investigation particularly once they started to to raise a obstruction as an issue was was i think pretextual in the sense of what they were trying to do is find something they could impeach him on and the impeachment dribble. I think i think is really also protect jewel what the goal of this has always been and i'm not saying that they wouldn't impeach him if they thought they could but the overarching goal. I think whether whether you're talking about counter-intelligence to criminal investigation the impeachment has all been to render trump unelectable when you get to the stretch run of the twenty twenty election if they couldn't get rid of them before the idea was to shorten his presidency to hamstring him so he would have difficulty pursuing pursuing his agenda and to get rid of them in no more than one term mov soza completely political operation because you were. We're a federal prosecutor. You know a lot of these guys and you know a lot about how the system works and some of you portrait portrait of rod rosenstein is not very flattering at all. I would say <hes> <hes>. Is there anybody in there. We can trust this point. Do you trust william barr. I do trust bar. I've known bar for a number years but you know and i i don't mean to take a shot at bar here. I have no reason to actually do trust him a great deal. I trust john dory. Who i also know for a number of years. He's brought in to investigate this. I know my hike car. Which is the inspector general who was a colleague of mine at the u._s. Attorney's office in new york <hes> but just so our viewers have <hes> whatever grain grain of salt. They need here two years ago or three years ago whatever it was. I told people that i know jim. Call me for thirty years and i was confident that he would do a good job and do the right thing. <hes> i still think highly of him. I you know i have a lot of affection for them is somebody i've known for a long time. I have deep disagreements with how he he handled. This and you know i get a lot of flack that i treat him. <hes> i give him a wider berth that i'm probably inclined to give them a lot of people who i don't know which i think is a fair criticism but you know knowing people drew as you know <hes>. Sometimes that's an advantage. Sometimes it's a distinct disadvantage now and i found it very difficult here. I don't like writing about people. I know now of course newton neither do i hate reviewing books by people i know. It's it's awful what about what about about the muller investigation. What's your take on that in the end well. Here's the very interesting thing to me about the mueller investigation you you mentioned carter page age at the beginning when you're going through the list of things we could go off on attended about rights and the the steele dossier was used to got these surveillance warrants on guard a pay these these kanner intelligence surveillance warrants and in each warrant they say based on on the steele dossier at the f._b._i. Believes that page and perhaps other members of the trump campaign are complicit in russia's counterintelligence elegance activities. That's what they say outright in each one of these warrants what's very interesting is the last warrant they get on page is june of twenty seventeen and muller takes over the investigation in may of two thousand seventeen in june. I think he's still getting his brain. Rain around what's going on and assembling a staff and we now know the staff actually ran the investigation or did a whole lot but to me the the interesting thing drew is they wouldn't have been due to reauthorize these warrants and ninety day warrants so they would have been due to reauthorize the carter page warrant in september member of two thousand seventeen that would have required them to reaffirm what was in the steele dossier which they had done repeatedly up until that point they elected not to do that and not only that by by twenty september two thousand seventeen or shortly after almost everybody who has anything reprints at all on these surveillance warrants is gone or have been completely marginalized removed from the equation and i've always thought that that's a telltale sign that we can probably fix the autumn of two thousand seventeen as the time when muller had to have known that there was no criminal collusion case and i think that's clear also from the indictments that he begins to file in twenty eighteen gene where if you read the diamond. It's clear that the russians are not looking for american partners they they they know how to do this. You know they. I didn't need donald trump to help them do surveillance or do what influence operations so the interesting thing to me is about the mueller investigation russian which i think was very very aggressive and the antithesis of the hillary email investigation really bent over backwards not to make the case but to me the interesting thing is why did they keep investigating for a year and a half or two years after they knew that the thing that they got brought in to look at this claim claim that there was collusion between the trump campaign and russia was a farce. I can't let you go before. I ask you one question about the jeffrey epstein case. You're looking at this as a prosecutor <hes>. What are you thinking you know. I thought the report from the washington post yesterday about the broken bones in the neck is is interesting but what i hate about that kind of stuff is when they leaks leaked information about an investigation they they really cherry pick fax ax and what a judge tell jury in any case is an this is said to a jury almost every day of trial. Don't make up your mind mind until you've heard everything and to my mind yes the broken bones could be consistent with a strangulation they could also we consistent particularly in guy of this age with suicide with attain yourself so it's not a conclusive fact and what i would want to know as the the investigator because for some mind boggling reason they didn't have cameras that actually go into the cells and what does that for privacy. You're right to privacy in federal prison. They do have cameras that are trained on the common areas around the cells so it would seem to me that it should be a pretty simple thing to figure out. Did somebody else go into his cane or not. If if they didn't then he committed suicide and that's from what we're dealing with here the you'll appreciate this but i i worked in government for more years than i care to say and i he never assume a nefarious conspiracy when flat out incompetence us answer to the question no question about andrew c mccarthy. The book is ball of collusion the plot to rig election and destroy a presidency you really your coverage of this has been absolutely superb and i'm sorry sorry to keep you so long but i just find the book absolutely fascinating hope it gets to see you soon without the camera between est banks my friend. I'd like that. It's good talking to you. Wow that's that's <hes>. That's quite a story and i can't wait to actually get down and just read it cover to cover. I had to go through it but it was still just amazing amazing stuff. Hey you you know what there is. 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Ticket packages available which include premium seating photos and meet and greets with each of us gift from shapiro and more you stick as selling fast so head over the daily wire dot com slash backstage and purchase yours today so let me conclude the week the claim. This weekend is almost upon us. Let me conclude the week of the final on reflection. <hes> you know there have been to a major pop culture christian figures who've announced recently that they lost their faith <hes> there was the guy <hes> what was his name josh harris <hes> he was the he wrote the best selling purity culture book kiss dating dating goodbye and this was where you weren't supposed to date because you were supposed to keep incredibly pure <hes> all the time and he announced that he was he had lost his faith and now a songwriter marty marty sampson <hes> who is the guy from hill song <hes> we put out the statement. He says he hasn't lost his faith but he's trembling on the brink of losing his faith. He says this is a soapbox moment so here i go how many preachers fall many no one talks about. How many miracles happen not many. No one talks about it. Why is the bible full of contradictions. No one talks about it. How can god be love and yet sent four billion people <hes> to a place all because they don't believe no one talks about it. Christians can be the most judgmental people on the planet they can also be some of the most beautiful loving people but it's not for me and this heels on very very popular i i think they were in that movie. <hes> <hes> god is not dead. I think <hes> but anyway they're very popular. Worship music and i think you're gonna see a lot of this. <hes> coming up but i want to just point out that on the other side of this on the other side of this a wad of intellectuals a lot of scientists are starting to discover cover that things don't make sense without god which is just really interesting fact and i think that you're gonna see a lot more of this well david. I can never pronounce his name right but it's winter winter. I think he is a yale. A computer science professor <hes> he wrote a piece <hes> reviewing some anti door win books for the claremont review of books and he says there's no reason to doubt the darwin successfully explained the small adjustments by which an organism adapts to local circumstances yet there are many reasons to doubt whether he can answer the hard questions and explain blaine the big picture not the fine tuning of existing species but the emergence of new ones the origin of species species exactly what darwin can explain and what girl has a <unk> as a computer scientist is the math just doesn't add up what it takes to make amino acids into a chain will cause a species the odds odds are so fantastic so amazingly against it that it simply doesn't add up and he he hasn't <hes> subscribed himself to intelligent design designed but what he says is my argument with people is with people who dismiss intelligent design without considering it seems to me. It's widely exist dismiss. This is an interview he said is widely. Italy dismissed in my world of academia as some sort of theological put up job but it's an absolutely serious scientific argument and i have felt this too. I felt the dismissal dismissal of the dismissal of intelligent design has just been offhand and basically a religious dismissal of the religion of darwinism now. The thing is is the <hes> the loss of faith of these people who have put forward a simplistic and moralistic faith is is not surprising to me in the least right <hes> ah what you believe is that the creator of heaven and earth <hes> became human and and suffered death <hes> for purpose that purpose just by logic was not to reinforce bourgeois values. It wasn't to tell you not commit adultery. You already knew not to commit adultery. It wasn't to tell you oh don't be gay. I don't like being that's not not why the creator of the universe i mean the thing is our the religion. Christianity is a big religion. It is a big statement gigantic statement and when it's reduced bourgeois morality which i'm in favor of i'm in favor of bourgeois morality. I don't think you can really connect with god without living a moral life. I am favor of all that but that's not the purpose of this major cosmic event this cosmic atom bomb that went off in our religious world when jesus died and and was resurrected right. That's an atom bomb that went off and you can tell by the way it affected people around it in the presence who were in the city when it happened. You can tell that it just kind of blew blew people away and absolutely changed the way they live. The purpose of their lives made them willing to die to go out walking to death in order to say what they had to say in order to spread the word. If you have reduced that religion to shaking your finger people who have sex away you don't like it or people who do bad things for the people who <hes> you know. Don't believe quite the way you believe or on part of your church. You can easily lose your faith but if you start to look at the gigantic thing that christianity says the the idea that the mind of god could be in karn and what that would look like and what it looked like in the world and what people how people reacted to it <hes> and what that means for your life which is a big thing is a big thing. Your life is a big thing. You've only got this very brief period to living on earth <hes>. It's a very big thing how you how you live it. Those are big things and when you start to look at those big things i believe if you are a thinking person <hes> that that god becomes more and more of an obvious presence he becomes more and more of an obvious reality. The thing is the thing that intellectuals have been telling us for the last. I don't know maybe a hundred years doesn't make sense and eventually commonsense. Ordinary people know that they know it but when you say well you know like there's no oh god and so everything is relative in all cultures are exactly the same and no there is no more audi and i don't think that makes sense but even intellectuals catch on eventually all all of that stuff the relativism multi-culturalism the <hes> the atheism the default atheism is starting to fall apart at the intellectual level so what you're going to see is people who have embraced a simplistic listrik. Nonsensical faith are going to fall away but you're going to see intellectual start to say wait a minute wait. A minute are default. Atheism is not working and that's going to start to trickle down to the rest of us and it's going to start to trickle down until the ideas of intellectuals and the ideas of common sense people meet <hes> and i think that's when i this revival <hes> <hes> that i keep talking about we'll take place and i think it's actually taking place as we speak so when you hear guys like <hes> hill song songwriter <hes> fall away remember what he's falling away right from his not god he's falling away from his version of things which may have been too small to contain god in the first place and with that i leave you plunging into the chaos and misery three of the cleveland last weekend. There's nothing i can do for you anymore. But should you survive. We will be here on monday. I'm andrew klavan. This is the andrew. Klavan show enjoyed this episode. Don't i forget to subscribe and if you want to help spread the word. 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Ep. 826 - Does America Want to be Lied to?

The Andrew Klavan Show

46:15 min | 1 year ago

Ep. 826 - Does America Want to be Lied to?

"Marianne Williamson has suspended her campaign for president saying she wants to spend more time with her cats and imaginary friends the loveable Hollywood self help Guru CETERA presidential. Intra one foundered when it turned out there. Were not as many crazy people in America as there seemed to be when she was sitting around watching. TV News in remarks made to abandon angels coming for to Carry Area Home Williamson said quote when I watched NBC or CNN. I saw commentator so entirely detached from reality I thought to myself wow if I could bring all those delusional regional people together. I could really win this thing but it turned out once you turn off the television. There actually is such a thing as reality in which I never stood a chance on quote during their campaign Williamson declared Donald Trump had unleashed a dark psychic force on the nation which she would cast out with the power of love but on further study they. She discovered that what had appeared to her to be dark. Psychic Force was actually a booming economy. And what she thought was. The power of Love was just a string of meaningless words coming out of her mouth. Among among Williamson's policy proposals was a plan to distribute between two hundred and five hundred billion dollars in reparations for slavery in the event she could not actually some in the spirit of slaves back from the dead with her Ouija Board Williamson promised to simply bury the money in the ground where it would do more good than just giving it to living people for no discernible reason. Season One of the highlights Williamson's campaign was the time she was caught on a hot mike expressing surprise at the fact that though she was a lefty conservatives were nice tour whereas left-wingers were vicious and lied about her all the time and actually seemed as Godless as the right says they are but after that moment of lucidity she slipped back into their fantasy world also known as California trigger warming. I'm Andrew Klavan and this is the Andrew Klavan show off Michael honky-tonk all sustain shipshape. It see Thompson it's so wonderful to see you it. You know I actually like a Marianne Williamson. She actually seems like a really sweet and sincere this your person. I couldn't resist Teasing her and I couldn't help feeling that her insistent detachment from the way the world actually works represents something central all too leftist thought namely a willful commitment to fantasy over reality take the coverage of Iran this last week in their efforts to make trump the bad guy journalist analysts claimed that government staged demonstrations of the death of terrorist leader Qassem Soleimani represented an Iranian nation united in grief over their beloved military very leader then when Iranian continued their ongoing protests against the government and again Sola Penny to the media claimed the regime had squandered all the love and unity city by their accidental downing of a commercial jet. which was somehow trump's fault it's ridiculous? The Iranians are oppressed by a checklist terrorist retreat regime. And and they've been protesting for a long time even at the cost of their lives. I mean the Iranian government will kill them but they still go out there and protest them which takes a lot of courage and a lot of commitment to freedom but if the press admits any of that they have to admit the donald trump is on the side of the angels on this when fighting evil oppressors when we can't transform. They're just not going to do that. This is just one example of what really seems to me a left-wing way of life and fought they claim that men who think they're women become actual women and you're a horrible person if you tell him it's just not true. They claim that socialism works and only greed would keep you from saying it's just not true. They're still yelling at me on twitter for saying women would be killed in the Medieval Sword. Battle they're angry at me for refusing to lie to them about it but what I'm saying is true and what they're saying just isn't true when I think about this persistent left wing commitment to non reality I see a lot of different lives but they all have one single theme. It's the theme of the all powerful self. The left wants to believe that we we have the power to change Iranian terrorists by treating them differently. We're the ones in charge. Instead of acknowledging the bad guys have their own evil philosophy and our beyond our power to influence them them. They want to claim that we can construct are genders and identities. It's absurd or that. We can control economies better than economy's run themselves. They want to think that we can do whatever want despite our obvious limitations. Even their climate change hysteria is based on the weird idea that if we will just dismantle the human project the weather will forgive us. Changes pages ways. We're even in control of Major. All this is actually frighteningly predictable. Plato's Republic was written in three hundred and seventy-five BC. I worked this out with a calculator that turns out to be nearly two thousand four hundred years ago a long time ago but in Plato's Republic Socrates Explains How democracies become tyrannies. He says in in democracies freedom becomes a goal in itself it really gets elevated to the main goal and any restraint on personal desire begins to seem unfair and oppressive. Each individual must be able to do exactly what he wants and that leads to chaos and ultimately only the state can control that chaos so a tyrant arises and says I'm GonNa make everything better and democracies collapse into tyranny the fantasy of absolute freedom and the all powerful self leads leads to the death of freedom and selves who have no power at all the reason the founders knew our constitution was made only religious people is not because religious people will get told what to do and people wag their fingers. That you'RE GONNA go to hell has nothing to do with that. It's because understanding that you are a creature which means a created being entails understanding that you were created created with a purpose outside your own desires and that requires you to detail your own desires in favor of virtue. In fact. That's what virtue is. Its Kerr testing your desires. The only virtuous people can be free only people who know the truth can be virtuous shapely knucklehead Alexandria. Ko Cortez went. Said there's a lot that's our profession actually shapely knuckle at. She said there's a lot of people more concerned about being precisely factually and semantically correct in about being morally right and I hope that's true. She's never said anything true before. But I hope that at least is true. We will talk about all this more in just a few moments you like yesterday. I'll talk about this later. Yesterday I went to the critics choice awards and it was kind of funny because I'm surrounded by big time. Celebrities Really Byu the women who work in show business so beautiful. That men are good looking. Everybody looks great and some guy came up to me and wanted to take a Selfie with me and I said Dude. I'm the least famous person in the room but he was turned out to be conservative. Wednesday take a Selfie with me. which happens kind of often? 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At least the left I think. Sometimes it's true the right to and I'm GonNa talk more about the way we've hide. Oh from reality but there are protests going on Iran. Yes in the wake. It was inspired by. It was inspired by the fact that they admitted after three three days that they had shot accidentally shot down this Ukrainian plane killing many Iranians but they're shouting death to the leaders shouting so many was a killer. The shouting it's in the United States. Who is the devil Trump sent out a tweet in Farsi. he's this is what he said. He said to the brave and suffering Iranian people. I have stood with you since the beginning of my presidency and my government will continue to stand with you we are following your protests closely. Your courage is inspiring after. Just one hour. The tweet had and received over one hundred thousand likes it has since more than double that number. It is the most popular tweet. I think in Farsi at least by an American They are desperate to have our support. Remember that Obama withheld support when they tried to rebel last time because he wanted to make that deal with the Mulas to let them get nuclear power while we gave the money strange deal but that was apparently what he wanted to do. He thought that he was going to transform if only going to bring them into the community of nations he doesn't understand a there is no community city of nations and be people have their own motivations. They have their own philosophies they have their own way of looking at life. You want multiculturalism. That's multi-culturalism their way of looking it. Life the mullahs. The people who run Iran have an evil way of looking at life and so they're going to do evil things all we can do is trying to stop them and help the Iranian people overturn them. If we can so what I want to look at the truth of. What's happening around and now I want to look at the lies? The media's telling about it let me start with this little clip between Robert Robert O'Brien the national security adviser and Chuck Todd Who's this is on. NBC where they covered up The Harvey Weinstein Story Killed The Harvey Weinstein Story Because they were so busy protecting lower. Who's doing all the same things that Harvey Weinstein was doing at their media session so they have no moral standing whatsoever but chuck todd? WHO's a stone Democrat the crap just as Democrats spokesman that's all he does and cannot understand cannot believe that people don't trust the news media he doesn't understand it and he said and he's a a fierce defender of this dishonest news media where they covered up for our rewind scene because they were covering up for Matt Lauer and where they just had this Democrat Stone Democrat? His wife has run for Democrat right offers on meet the press which is one of our key. News shows selling anti trump Democrat propaganda instead of the truth. And he can't. He's he's baffled. So here's Robert O'Brien O'Brien explaining the situation that there are these these protests going on at newsbusters they say. ABC spend more time on the royals An Oscar on the anti regime protests in Iran and Robert. O'Brien makes that point and listened to chuck. Todd's reaction right now. We've got a maximum pressure campaign That is strangling the regime. There Connie's contracting dramatically. The people of Iran are upset. They're protesting. They have been protesting for some time. They've been brutally put down in Tiananmen square-style massacres at the press has not been covering and you know we. We think the regime is a real problem. Not to sitter. Press does everything it can to cover. We very difficult country to cover. It is not a press trying to admit things here. You are fake news. You are fake news Lisa. Let's do a little fact check on this year's agree Byan montage they do the best montages. I think And they have a montage and you're GONNA have to use your imagination if you're listening to this because if some of this visual the visuals are the protests in Iran there are people tearing down the pictures of the ayatollah people driving driving cars over pictures of Psalm. Eighty people protesting the government at the top. You at the top of their lungs screaming remember. The government is fighting back through the killed. Fifteen hundred over the last several months. But they're now apparently is hard to cover the place but they now apparently send the tear gas and we've been gunfire heard so they're suppressing these protests. Here's the way at the same time. They're showing these visuals. Here's the way. The news media coverage Sola means death and on the stage the government backed and stage demonstrators demonstrations of mourning that were put on their Qasem. Sulejmani was no ordinary general Iran. National hero he was a hero to come on. Iran's feet could both figuring. Iran is difficult difficult convey. How revered he is in? Iran is trying to think of somebody and I was thinking to gold princess. Diana died for example. There was a huge emotional outpouring. These kinds we'll elvis presley in our culture. It turns out that this generally killed was a beloved hero. He's regarded as personally incredibly braved. The troops love him. I have been in the midst midst of anti-american protests in Iran before but nothing like this thousands of mourners. Almost three the crowds are massive and emotional. Yes you know. There are many tears. Here is the peak of the French Foreign Legion Smart Charismatic Ruthless Strategic and bold. His power made Iranians running's proud. Why why all these people are saying this? They're playing in the background just as a counterpoint people tearing down Solomon's pictures the real people the protesting people and yet you know. Are they coming out on mass like they did when the government ordered them to. Of course not getting shot. At and tear-gas they're afraid they should be afraid. And but the people the fact that people are coming out at all and saying this stuff is just she just shows you how committed they are to get it being free to getting rid of these the people who have no care for them they have a care for their a revolution that they're trying to spread throughout the Middle East. They have a care for their own power. They have a care for their sick version of of Islam. They're radical Islam that they want to impose on people in which only spreads death and oppression wherever it goes and this is what the people are fighting against and Chuck Todd later in this interview. He he says he says there's no difference there's no difference between the Iranian government and what's called the Revolutionary Guard which is their terrorist. I arm which is what Somaini was running. It is a government agency there just the same thing. The government is running the Revolutionary Guard so chuck that said well if it's just the government and they're they're not terrorists they're our government. He can't understand that a government could be a terrorist entity it had been declared. Here's anyway here's A. Here's O'Brien explaining things to Chuck Todd. Well this case the theology coot force which operates outside of Iran and foments revolution and terrorism in in Yemen in Syria. Where five hundred thousand people have been killed in in Lebanon with Hezbollah in Iraq That's that that organization has been designated legally as a terrorist organization. Sulejmani was the head of it. But he's not just been designated tomato by us. He's under a travel ban from the UN. He shouldn't have been outside of Iran. I mean this is a Th this was someone who was a leader of an organization that was engaged in terror He was involved in plotting intimate imminent attacks. The United States The president made a very difficult decision but a bold decision not have been battlefield. You know it is the thing the thing about chuck. Todd that you have to understand is chuck. Todd is not a liar. He's a bubble boy. You know those children that they have to put inside bubbles poor kids. They haven't got any immunity so they have to put them inside bubbles to protect them from getting diseases it. They basically have to put Chuck Todd in a bubble to keep protect him from the truth in all of these people are in a bubble all of them. No none of them know what we're talking about. They're not listening to this show. They don't know what I'm talking about. They don't listen to rush limbaugh they hear little things that are pulled out of rush limbaugh and sent to them to make them hate wrestling but they never listen to the right. They do not know the right exists they did. The right is basically just on a spectrum with guys is like Richard Spencer who were hating black people and hating Jews and all that they do not know what we are saying they really they really have no idea and so they think like well anything. We're we're doing anything we're doing is justified by Donald Trump. The New the New York Times had a wonderful headline this morning. I just love this. They had this. I mean this thing has been a major win for trump. It has been a major win for trump. And they're trying to say well he he had different reasons for saying why he launched the attack and is different reasons where they were going to attack one embassy or they were going to attack four embassies or that he was just a terrorist. I mean they're all the same reason really but they had a wonderful headline that said trump trump ran on an ending war. What happens if there's a new war so on their front page now? They're just creating problems. That don't exist is really wonderful and the thing is they. They are convinced because they only listened to themselves because they talk to themselves because Democrats talk to them and they talk to the Democrats and it is a literal literal. It is the metaphor of an echo chamber is very exact. They are an echo chamber. They don't know that. See the thing is the thing is conservatives are in the majority but I do believe that the majority of people want to hear something like the truth. The majority of people don't want to make decisions based on non reality and that's what's the difference they can tell even people there are liberals I know liberals like this every time. I'm reading The New York Times. I think who believes this crap. I always wear to people who are going like. y'All it was Roy Leroy in the New York Times. I know people who just buy everything. They're selling swallow everything. They're fed but most people I really do believe want to get it. Something like the facts because without the facts. You can't know what they're doing so Nancy Pelosi is. Here's here's a perfect example. She is on with George Stephanopoulos. Who used to silence? Silence the women who were complaining about being harassed by trump. He's now works for ABC where they silenced They killed the Jeffrey up story about women being abused. He's interviewing Nancy Pelosi Pelosi. She basically says who cares why these people are out on the streets. Sometimes they're off one reason sometimes around for another. We're seeing demonstrations in the streets of Iran against the regime do you you support those protesters and would it be a good thing if they brought the regime. The protestors at are protesting as I understand this brand of protesters about the fact that that plane went down and many students were on that plane and these are largely students in the street. I think the Iranian should had not had commercial flights going off when they're telling us the resume for lying there saying the committee as well. Yeah well whatever it is but the fact is this. The there were protesters in the streets before against the regime. After the taking out a full monty there were protesters in the street. Join together as you know against us. That wasn't good taking down. This plane is terrible terrible tragedy and they should be held accountable for letting commercial flights go at at a time. That was so so dangerous but they're different reasons why people are in the street same woman. WHO's selling this delusion about? Iran is selling the impeachment. You know it's interesting. The Media Research Center which is the overseeing body that runs newsbusters which I love so much They have a new survey and they had this wonderful building outside of Washington where they just have reams and reams of video where they collect elect this incredible amount of information about what the media selling and they go through and they really have a lot of ways to do research in this they. There's they they are now saying that. Our A new survey in the first one hundred days since house. Democrats began their impeachment Bush on September twenty fourth. ABC CBS and NBC have aggressively aided the impeachment. Human effort in Media Research Center analysis finds the Big Three evening newscasts have battered the president with ninety three percent negative coverage that sounds sounds fair and promoted impeachment at the expense of nearly all other trump news at the same time the broadcast networks donated at least one hundred and twenty four hours of wall to wall live coverage as they preempted regular programming in favor of house democrat-led impeachment activities. And you know what the of course the Democrats and the media but I repeat myself you know what they would say they would say well. This is historic. They always say this historic is a wonderful word because they use the word historic as praise but they can always say well. It's not really praised. It's just just distort but they say it's historic but is it. Is it really historic. I know that only a few presidents have been impeached but in the last few years both Clinton and trump have been impeached. So it's actually become used now as a tool as a political tool so it's really not as historic as it looks. Go on to say on the other hand. The networks frenzy over impeachment has meant the Democratic presidential candidates have been barely visible on the evening newscasts. And you think that is unintentional but of course it's not unintentional their candid that it's stink and they want to cover up the cover them up as much as possible during the impeachment. The networks kept up the same relentless negativity toward president trump that they first displayed during the two twenty sixteen presidential campaign but polls collected by realclearpolitics. Indicate all of this coverage might have actually hurt the Democrats efforts on November twelfth the day before for the impeachment hearings began a slight flora favourite impeaching and removing the president forty nine percent to forty seven percent against by December nineteenth the day after after the House voted to impeach those figures had reversed forty eight percent opposed to remove over forty seven percent in favor and by the way like. I don't believe these polls I mean some the polls I do believe that these are polls that I do not believe and the reason. I don't believe it is very easy to say. Yeah the president should be impeached and removed from office. So big big deal and and you have to really hate trump beyond the point of reason to want him removed when the economy you know when I talked to liberals I have friends and relatives were liberals herbals and I said well what is bothering you and it's always personal. It's always the fact that they don't like trump and I understand liking trump. I think there's a lot of reasons not to like trump. I think that If you talk about him personally it's one thing he's doing a good job he's doing a good job. I mean I personally think he's doing a great job. I think if the presidency ended right now he'd be one of the great presidents he he released he'd be You could say that he could projected and you could projected his presidency and said he would have been one of the great presence. He's doing a great job. You don't have to like them at all so now Pelosi Pelosi says she's praying for this president. I have to tell you that when the Media Research Center says that the press is covering this impeachment trial is you know just blanketing blanket covering the trial. That's what the Democrats want. They want wants to stain this presidency. And if you don't believe me Nancy Pelosi who said she prayed. Brace for the president here. She is praying for him on. ABC Out Loud. This has got to again Sunday Monday morning. Let's be optimistic about the future. A future that will not have donald trump in the White House one way or another ten months from now. We'll have an election election if we don't have him remote sooner but again he will be impeached forever. That is what they're trying to do. They're trying to destroy his legacy his reputation and they're trying to say oh one of the very few presidents to be impeach trump doesn't look to me they keep saying. No trump is really really disturbed by this trump and looked so disturbed me. He looks like a guy who's riding riding high. He looks like a guy who's successful. He loves a fight he loves the pugilist of it. He's not running away from Nancy. Pelosi and Pelosi has caved in Pelosi. Remember last week we were talking talking about the fact that the Democrats including Dianne Feinstein the senator from who covers Pelosi's district were saying. Hey It's time to turn the impeachment articles over over to the Senate for trial and Nancy. Pelosi thinks that she. She says she thinks she has some leverage over the Senate that she can force them to call to commit to calling calling witnesses. Force them to commit to doing the kind of impeachment trial that they want. She knows I mean she has read the Constitution. She may not think much of it but she has read the Constitution. She knows they have absolutely no power to control the Senate so I think she's just. It's just delay of game. I think what he's doing is just drawing out. The period during which trump is impeached keeped. Phasing off staving off the period during which trump is acquitted. That's what she's doing. She wants this thing to last as long as possible awesome because she thinks it stains trump. She thinks maybe she can get under trump's skin and here she is now. She's going to accuse. Remember these guys. They did not call They did not fight to get the witnesses that trump said shouldn't come trump said. These people are protected by executive privilege. Don't go and testify. They could have gone to court. They could have given trump due you process. They didn't it was all about. We've got hurry. Hurry hurry because we want this to happen before the election. Why because they want it to affect the election right so now she is saying that this is a cover up and if they refuse to call the witnesses that they didn't call him the House if the Senate refuses to call them in the Senate? That's a cover very unusually the leader of the Senate Mitch. McConnell has signed onto a resolution to dismiss the case to dismiss the case in his view may be permitted to having the presentations. I now I'm telling you that. He signed on on Thursday to a resolution to dismiss the case dismissed. Dismissing is a cover up dismissing is a cover up if they want to go that route again the senators who are thinking thinking now about voting for witnesses or not they will have to be accountable for not having a fair trial. So here is Mitch. McConnell in on the floor of the Senate telling basically nasty to get stuffed article on section three says the Senate you'll have the sole power to try. All impeachments period house can begin the process and Speaker Baker Pelosi's majority has certainly done that. But the Senate alone can resolve it and you have for weeks now. The House majority is blocked. The Senate from fulfilling our constitutional duty and oppressed and breaking display. Partisanship Speaker has refused to let her own. Alligators proceed normally trial unless she gets to hand his on various elements of our Senate process in other words. The House Democrats already spent twelve weeks undermining the institution of the presidency with a historically unfair and subjective impeachment and now for a sequel. They've come after the institution of the Senate Mission Nancy. You're basically the same person on their basically. These politicians will say anything. But the thing is that Mitch McConnell in this case as the truth on his side and you have to in order to believe Nancy Pelosi. You have to be willing to believe anything anything. Here's the voice of a non-politician Donald Trump. Here's how he reacted to below zero. She is obsessed with impeachment. She's done nothing. She's going to go down as one of the worst speakers in the history of our country now it all fairness she's hurting our country. She's very bad for our country and she's become a crazed lunatic but she will go down as I think maybe the worst speaker in the history of our country I didn't get. She'll be overthrown pretty soon. Because she's doing very little and the people are tired of and she's controlled by the radical left she's controlled by. AFC She's controlled by this Leib. Another great one. And she's control troll by Omar that's trumpet on Fox's talking to the lovely and talented Laura Ingram But you know the thing is he's wrong about one thing. She's not a deranged lunatic. She's living in a situation where he says she's controlled by AO. See into leave. What he means is that she's in danger of losing her caucus to the left and the left is surging because they have the press behind them? That is why they're not surging. It's not true that they're surge in the Democrat Party. Voting rank and file. Democrats are moving to the right. Voting rank and file Democrats were getting very leftist under Obama. They are now moving back back to a more liberal slash conservative point of view. Nancy Pelosi is not fighting with their voters. She's fighting. She wants to serve voters but she has to serve the left because the left has the Echo Chamber of the press it is this world of lies and that's why they live in that world of lies because it emphasizes absolute freedom absolute freedom means. We need stronger stronger government. They want that stronger government there and so they love the lies we gotta take a break from facebook and youtube come on over to daily wire dot com and subscribe. You can get another kingdom earlier you can get well. I mean if you get the right subscription you get the leftist tears tumbler. I'd I I need say no more. That is what you want. You want that leftist yours tumbler. I've I make myself in my workshop in the basement of this building. Actually you know you who are not in California. I don't know that there are no basements in California buildings. I always been writing fiction and takes place in California after. Remember not to put basements in the and I don't make this Cup online but you but you will if you subscribe and a lot of other things besides Akon over the daily wire dot com. So here's my question and it really is the big question. Do Americans in general want to live in reality. Do we want to know the truth. This thing about the self when I talk about the the all powerful self that I can be whoever I WANNA be. I can be a woman if I want to be a woman I am a woman I can punch him in the face and he's GonNa go flying just like he doesn't movies if I you know I I. If we change our ways the Iranians will change their ways. All powerful self. This idea that anything that anything that restrained your desires to be the all powerful self your desires have to generate. Meaning right you have to the meaning of your life has to be generated by your desires. Not you're high desires your desires to say oh fulfil the reason you were created needed to fulfil your meaning. God's mind but you're you're basis basic desires if you can just get enough money and enough food enough sacks boy oh boy oy your life is going to be happy and then you're gonNA kill yourself because it's all meaningless. But that's the idea the idea. Is this all all powerful self and I say this is somebody who has benefited benefited in a way from that point of view. Because I'm somebody who broke away from his tradition. I grew up as a secular Jew and I became a Christian. I had to break away from my parents to establish myself because my parents were not constructive people. Let's put it that way. They were not conducive to having a full and happy life. So I had to do it so I've benefited from that situation and it is true. It is true that the rare person who can be self shaping and find a way to serve. God threw himself. That person can break away from all the traditions that are left behind. But there's a reason there's a reason that one of the ten commandments is. Honor Your father and your mother it just to honor the traditions that make you who you are and making what you are and only by forgetting those traditions. Only by ignoring the facts can you live as a completely free person and ultimately Louis if everybody doesn't you lead the country into chaos so there is a place called that's called just facts and they do these surveys to find out if people know the quantifiable viable facts of politics not the not the thing. Vague things like what your opinion is but what are the actual facts. And they went out and asked and they went went out and asked these questions they do a wide ranging survey they're not a partisan group just facts and on average. They found that voters the correct answer. Thirty nine percent of the time time gave an incorrect answer fifty four percent of the time and said they were unsure six percent of the time so thirty nine percent of the time was the was when they were right and a majority voters gave the correct answer. It only five of the twenty four questions in total the rates at which voters gave the correct answers varied from a high of forty six percent. For who do you think trump voters to a low of thirty two percent for you guessed Democrat voters forty six six trump voters got forty six percent of the questions right males forty three percent of the questions right. Thirty six percent for females and thirty two percent for Democrat voters at the bottom females and Democrat voters at the bottom. You might want to gloat because I'm a man and the trump voters so I might wanNA say. Whoa we won? But we're still under fifty percent so that's not such a good thing. Let me give you some of the questions and see how well you do on them. On average who would you say pays a greater portion of their income in federal taxes the middle class or the upper one percent of income earners who pays more a greater peter portion of their income in federal taxes. The correct answer is the upper one percent the court google rational budget office. The Treasury and the Tax Policy Center have all documented the households in the top one percent of income pan average effective federal tax rate of about thirty three percent while middle income households pay about thirteen percent. So it's a big difference different so whenever you hear Elizabeth Warren or a Bernie Sanders going out there and saying the rich on paying their fair share. They're paying more than their fair share. The correct answer was given by eighteen percent percent of all voters six percent of Democrat voters. got that right six percent. They do not know anything. Thirty percent of trump voters. Got It right. That's still not. That's not good numbers. There's you know. Twenty one percent of males got it right in fifteen percent of females still. Nobody is covering themselves in glory. Here's another one. Do you think the federal government spends more money on social programs. I'm such a Medicare education and food stamps or does the federal government spend more money on national defense such as the army navy and missile defense. I'm sure many of you know the answer this. I hope nope not many of you know that. His social programs twenty eighteen sixty two percent of federal spending was for social programs in eighteen percent was for national defense. That is a big the big difference and you wonder you know 'cause I know. Sometimes you see these pie charts where it seems like. We're spending more on the military but that is because the money that goes to social programs is sometimes sometimes In entitlement funds. They can't change it Without a major vote without changing the law and so they don't count it federal spending but the money goes to social programs correct. The answer was given by thirty six percent of all voters fourteen percent of Democrat voters. Got This right. That means the vast majority of Democrat voters. Think we spend more money on the military Terry fifty nine percent of trump voters got it right and forty percent of males. So that's a little bit better than the other numbers. Let me do one more. What about federal government debt the average the US household owes about one hundred twenty two thousand in consumer debt such as mortgages and credit cards thinking about all federal government at broken down to a per household basis? This do you think the average federal debt for US household amounts to more or less than the average consumer debt another words do you owe more through the government or do you owe more through your own shopping. The correct correct answer is the government debt is more than your US household debt. The correct answer was given by seventy seven percent of voters. Seventy six percent of Democrat voters. Got It right. Eighty one percent of trump voters that was when they got the one that Republicans got wrong was the one about global warming. They didn't think it was actually getting warmer. But it actually has gotten warmer although nothing like the charts that the scientists have used to predict it. It's been nothing like that but it has gotten a warmer. Here's the thing though. My question is to people want to know now. There was a piece. Yes in the Wall Street Journal. Today called cancel. Culture comes to science was by. Peter would the president of the National Association of scholars. And they're holding. The National Association of Scholars is holding a conference to talk about the fact that so much of the so many of the experiments being done in the sciences especially the social sciences but other sciences his own as well can't be reproduced so these tests come out and they publish the results and the big headlines come out about them and when they do the experiment again they can't reproduce the results reproducibility of courses. What indicates that the results were right in the first place? So they're going to have a conference to talk about this one scientist armed with the keyboard and contempt. For contrary opinions has set out to cancel our conference Leonid Tillman title. Men has busied himself writing into the speakers at the event to warn them away and he has found fellow sensors who agree. The conference is quote. Problematic are critics. Call US clever and dangerous. They do not want them to talk about this. Because if you can publish and publicize ear results that can't be reproduced. You can lie. They want the lies to go out there. And you know when it comes to subjects that are controversial. It's even worse when it comes to subjects for instance the genetic components of race right This this is a real problem. That people who study genetics are beginning to discover as you would expect that groups that have been separated for tens of thousands of years have different genetic components in their lives and some of those genetic components may have to do with Iq and they may have to do with cognitive abilities. They don't know they're looking looking at it and they also don't know yet. I mean a lot of the stuff is unknown. They don't know how much of this is permanent. How long would take to change? How much of it is cultural? But they are finding these differences and they are being hampered in their work northwestern university this is from the Claremont Review of books northwestern university political scientist Jacqueline Stevens Evens. Who is called has called on the federal government's National Institutes of Health to in her words issue? A regulation prohibiting its staff or grant teas from publishing in any form including internal documents or citations to other studies claims about genetics associated with variables of race ethnicity nationality optionality or any other category population which would include women and men noam. Chomsky said the same thing. He says while people differ in their biologically determined qualities discovery discovery of a correlation between some of these qualities is of no scientific interest of no social significance except to racist sexist. And the like so even asking the question. Russian makes you a racist in and Sam Hair Harris who is not a stone liberal. But he's the big atheists guy very intellectual guy. He said he was talking to Dave. Rubin I think and he said if founded acquisitive gene for Jews. This is what he said. He found that there was agreed. Gene for Jews. He doesn't think that that would be useful. He thinks it would be bad for people to know this. I completely wheatley disagree. I believe a as I say again and again because Jesus said it it's the truth that sets you free it's the truth sets you free and you see if you have an idea of God and you have an idea that people are made in the image of God. It Ain't gonNA matter too much about what they find out about genetics. We're going to have to treat people as if they were. Your brothers made in the image of God is if they were made by God for purpose as if that purpose were important to God. You're going to have to treat them that way. They are immortal beings. Your friend that guy who's sitting next news annoying on the bus and immortal being that guy that you don't like because he looks different than you and immortal being. You're going to have to treat people that way. It's only when when you WANNA be utterly free is only when you want yourself to be the guide and the standard of all morality that becomes a problem that the truth becomes a problem and that means as the bad guys get to release the truth and put forward their bigoted nasty ideas with the truth backing them up. It's a bad system. The truth is worth knowing all the time all right a final reflection you know I was at last night Christian toto the critic. He has his website excellent website. You should check it out Hollywood and toto and he's over in in Colorado and he doesn't come to La that often but he's one of the few people who reports from a right wing perspective on the culture. He's one of the few people who does movie reviews and pays attention to what's happening in the culture pays attention to what's going on. He invited me to the critics choice. Awards in Santa Monica and a big league. Glamorous event had to wear a Tuxedo and all this stuff. And I'm going to a couple of these things but I don't go very often not really into it that much first of all I have to tell you that to to show. This is in the wake of the Ricky Jer vase blast right of the Golden Globes. This thing has went off like an explosion and Ricky Jay vase the thing I said that was so important about him was. He reminded these people that they are corporate hirelings. They're hired by corporations. The corporations hire them do bad things they have no business preaching to the public. Okay and let me just take a moment and I think this is another I don't know who put out this montage but when you wonder how Harvey Weinstein Got Away with raping and doing all the things. He's alleged to have done here is of montage of people talking about Harvey Weinstein in Hollywood. And I'd like like to thank Harvey Weinstein the punisher. That's his nickname. The Punisher yes hobby if I keep thinking public the big people think we're having an affair but nonetheless if you're choosing sides in the playground before ascribing I would like to have Harvey Weinstein and Graham King on my side. Harvey Weinstein Bob Weinstein. God bless them. My friends at Miramax. AMAC for making this film specially Harvey and Harvey thank you for killing. Whoever you had to kill to get me up here today and onto Harvey Weinstein the tough guy on the playground with the biggest heart? Thank you for saying you do anything for your friends. Galway's do and then probably wanted student Harvey Weinstein Harvey and Bob Weinstein. Thank you Harvey Weinstein. I want to thank Harvey Servian. Bob Weinstein my agent Kevin Ngubane and God Harvey Weinstein. So I WANNA report. I didn't stay for the whole I I didn't stay for the whole ceremony today. Got Bored so I dumped for Christian was like being a bad date where you know. You say you're going to the ladies room and then you just go home. I was a bad date dumped Christian. I want to say that the food was so bad that there to sustain the planet. They served vegetarian food and not only did they vegetarian food. They didn't even serve it to most of us. They just gave you a couple of pieces of celery and vegetables so I was starving. I had to go home and get something to eat however however I do want to say this. The part that I saw I was there for at at least half of it may be even more. The part that I saw I thought surveys had had an effect. There were no political comments zero political comments and there were a a lot of expressions of gratitude. People who are happy to have the glamorous well-paying celebrity making jobs that they have and that was it was a a good thing to see. These are very talented people. All they WANNA do is at work their trade. I mean most of them get told that they're important because They're celebrities but they know who they are what they WANNA do. is they want to pretend to be other people for a living and they should be able to do that because they are so talented. And so beautiful. I mean some of the women that you see these places cases are so beautiful. You can't believe they're real And it is it is really an amazing. They have amazing genetic gift and amazing genetic gift of talent and they should be able to use it and we should be able to enjoy it without them telling us what to think or what is going on stuff they know nothing about and so I have some hope. I have some hope that maybe undo the trump administration people are waking up to the fact that the media is complicit. In some of the bad things have happened in this country and they're certainly complicit in telling lies and if they could just develop develop little this much humility if Chuck Todd could just develop this much self awareness. Things might start to change. We might start to unite and because we both sides lied are telling the truth and hearing the truth it would be a beautiful thing. We will be back telling the truth right here tomorrow. I'm Andrew Klavan. This is the Andrew Klavan show. Hey if you enjoyed this episode. Don't forget to subscribe. And if you want to help spread the word. Give us a five star review. You can also tell you friends to subscribe to were available on Apple podcasts on spotify wherever you listen to podcasts also be sure to check out the other daily wire podcast including the Ben Shapiro. Show that wall show and the Michael Null show. Thanks for listening. 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Trump speaks after signing his first veto; Trump says he does not see white nationalism as a rising threat around the world; New Zealand PM: suspect used five guns in massacre, says "our gun laws will change"

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Trump speaks after signing his first veto; Trump says he does not see white nationalism as a rising threat around the world; New Zealand PM: suspect used five guns in massacre, says "our gun laws will change"

"You see the cat and all of a sudden you're star. Yeah. I'm a hero radio revived seven people put them. He's not on the front page will have split up for you is it because you're black. No you racist. Because people love cats. Coma. FD on through TV. Any moment. We're expecting a new face of hatred to appear in court. The lead starts right now. What's being called New Zealand's darkest day being felt around the world and across the United States after a racist? Islam phobic man kills forty nine people this hour, New Zealand's, Prime minister is expected to speak as the white supremacist madman faces a judge breaking right now. President Trump speaking as he picks up his veto pen for the first time in ranting against his own party after several Republicans stood up to him in the Senate over his border emergency plus bad break-up, North Korea, making new threats towards the United States raising fears that missile launch might be coming. So what happened to President Trump and Kim Jong Hoon as the president. Put it falling in love. CNN breaking news, welcome to the lead. I'm Jake tapper, and we are following two major live events happening at this hour, President Trump just spoke as he issued the first veto of his presidency over his border wall. We will bring that to you as soon as we have that. But we begin now with the world lead. It is just after nine AM in New Zealand in any minute. We expect the suspect charged in the New Zealand terrorist attack to appear in court. He's been charged with murder for killing forty nine innocent people and seriously wounding twenty others in the country's worst ever mass shooting a horrific act of hate targeted at Muslims. As the killer opened fire on two mosques in Christ Church New Zealand during Friday, prayers Friday, of course, one of the busiest times for any mosque the alleged gunman also took video of the attacks. Streaming it live on social media and posting an eighty seven page document filled with ugly and anti. Imigrants anti Muslim rantings and sentiments listing the white nationalists who have inspired him outlining his plans for attacks in chief international correspondent Clarisa ward. Now picks up our coverage on this shocking act of eight. Bloodied. And shaken these are among the survivors of terror attacks at two Musk's that appear to have been planned for years, forty nine people lay dead as New Zealand's, Prime minister addressed the gunman directly few may have chosen us, but we actually reject and condemn you. According to Gardez, the suspected terrorist is a twenty eight year old white Australian man now in custody and charged with murder he allegedly entered the Masjid Eleanor mosque and Christ Church around one forty pm Friday just as prayers began. Hitting that shooting shooting shooting. It went on about six minute or more the killer used a body camera to livestream video to Facebook as he fired and reloaded those in his sights trying to escape and protect each other. I buy my room one guy sitting just beside the war and what he did was. And then I haven't been cleaned was a next thing that guy came in shoot this guy who don't look forty one victims are now confirmed dead at the first mosque at a second. Mosque seven more people were gunned down during services and one other died at the hospital the dual atrocities have shocked New Zealand which prides itself on acceptance with such a small community with so kind and loving. So I just don't understand why someone would hit us like this in such a way. Just like an animal gunman is now in custody and charged with murder while two others have been arrested on suspicion of possessing firearms. None were previously known to regards these people who I would describe as having extremist views that have absolutely no place in New Zealand and infect have no place in the world. In addition to live streaming his massacre on social media. The accused killer left behind an eighty seven page manifesto online in it. He says he chose Christ Church to show that nowhere in the world is safe, adding many, anti Muslim anti immigrant and pro white supremacists. Sentiments, he also made clear the attacks were designed well in advance. It does appear to have been well planned to explosive devices attached to suss speaks vehicles have now been found and they. Have been disarmed. So Jake investigators now, of course, want to look at whether there was potentially a network that was facilitating or helping to coordinate this heinous terrorist attack. But when I have poured over this eighty seven page manifesto, it becomes very clear and apparent that this terrorist was actually borrowing some of the tactics that we've seen ISIS use radicalizing online reaching out to people online lone wolves these sorts of terror attacks, Jake, thanks so much. Breaking news. President Trump just signed the first veto of his presidency. Let's listen in. National sovereignty and defend this nation from criminal cartels, human traffickers, and drug smugglers crime of all kinds coming through our southern border and other places, but this is the place. This is the place. We have the biggest problem by far, and I won also complement the incredible people at border patrol and ice and law enforcement for the job they've done. They've apprehended so many thousands and thousands of people that we had the proper protection, we wouldn't even have to apprehend. They wouldn't be coming in. As president the protection of the nation is my highest duty yesterday. Congress passed a dangerous resolution that if signed into law would put countless Americans endanger very grave danger than Democrats sponsored resolution would terminate vital border security operations by revoking the national emergency issued last month. It is definitely a national emergency. Rarely have we had such a national emergency therefore to defend the safety and security of all Americans. I will be signing and issuing a formal veto of this reckless resolution, and that's what it was. And I have to in particular. Thank the Republicans, strong wonderful people, the Republican senators that were on our side and on the side of border security and on the side of doing what they have to keep our nation safe. They were very courageous. Yes. Yesterday. I appreciate that very much congress vote to deny the crisis on the southern border is a vote against reality. It's against reality. It is a tremendous national emergency. It is a tremendous crisis last month more than seventy six thousand illegal migrants arrived at our border. We're on track for a million illegal aliens to Russia borders, people hate the word invasion, but that's what it is. It's an invasion of drugs and criminals and people have no idea who they are. But we capture them because border security is so good. But they're put in a very bad position. That were bursting at the seams literally bursting at the same what border patrols able to do is incredible. I also by the way, one of thank our military because our military has been very much involved as you know, and they're putting up walls in some cases temporary. In some cases, they were supposed to be temporary. They're so good that they're better. Than the permanent. So we're leaving. We've really nowhere left to hold all of the people that were captured and where the point where we're just gonna have to say with these horrible decisions that we've been handed by people that aren't living in reality that there's nothing we can do is absolutely nothing. We could do with bursting at the seams. You can only do so much and the only option then is to release them. But we can't do that either. Because when you release them, they come into our society, and in many cases, there stone, cold criminals, and in many cases, and in some cases, you have kinder's coming in at murder is coming in. And we're not going to allow that to happen. Just not allow to have. There has been nearly two thousand percent increase in voter related asylum claims over the last decade part of the reason is because our country's doing so well economically that people are coming up in droves. The vast majority rejected but smuggling organizations making a tremendous amount of money like they've never made before are using these people to crash the system are emmigration system is stretched beyond the breaking point. And as I said nothing much, we can do we can just do our job and do it. Well, but there's a point at which if the Democrats would would get it would be able to make a deal literally in fifteen minutes, we could make a deal on changing catch and release changing the horrible asylum laws that are so unfair changing visa lottery. Chain migration. These laws are just around this. I won't explain them. But everybody standing behind me knows exactly what they are dangerous for our country that inspired by Democrats who have to change one in three migrant women is sexually assaulted on the journey north the border crisis is driving the drug crisis seventy thousand Americans era killed by drugs, including the meth heroin cocaine and Fenton, all and to seventy thousand people is at number that so low that it'd probably should be used anymore. The mass incursion of illegal aliens deadly drugs, dangerous weapons and criminal gang. Members across borders has to end we upbringing out thousands and thousands a year of MS thirteen gang members and other gang members that are just as bad when they come into our country. They're able to skirt the votes. Her come through areas. What we don't have proper wall where we don't have any will at all. And they get into the country, and they do a lot of Davidge in many cases, but we get them out by the thousands. And we bring them back or we incarcerate. The national emergency. I declared last month was authorized by congress under the one thousand nine hundred seventy six national emergencies act, and they haven't been too many that are bigger averge insanity than we have right at your own border consistent with the law and the legislative process designed by our founders today, I am vetoing this resolution. Congress has the freedom to pass this resolution, and I have the duty to veto it at a very proud to be it. And I'm very proud as I said of a lot of Republican senators that were with me, and I'm also very proud of the House Republicans in the house voted overwhelmingly in favor of a secure border. Since one thousand nine hundred seventy six presidents have declared fifty nine national emergencies. They often involved protecting foreign citizens and far off lands yet. Congress has not terminated any of them every single one of them is still in existence. And yet, we don't worry about our land. We were about other people's leads. That's why I say America first. That's okay, America. I the only emergency congress voted to revoke was the one to protect our own countries. So think of that with all of the national emergencies. This was the one the. Don't want to do. And this is the one perhaps they should boast joined today by many brave law enforcement offices, including sheriffs and just people that have been just tremendous tremendous backers of law and order, which we have to have we're also joined by friends of mine. Maryanne Mcgann dozen ten Terry, Laura, Wilkerson, Sabine Durden, and Steve Ron Beck. And I'm going to ask Steve to say a few words, and I'm gonna ask some of the folks behind me say also a few words as to the importance of what we're doing this nothing more important as I said, I was elected on a very by of by a very very great group of American people. Millions and millions of people because they want security for country. And that's what we're going to have. I'd like to ask secretary Nilsson to say a few words at then attorney general Bill bar amended like to go to some of the folks behind me, and perhaps you'd have something to say, and then we're going to sign something that's going to give us safety at border secretary. All right, while the president gives other people in the room the floor. We're going to discuss. And then we'll go back when the president starts talking again. First of all we will discuss New Zealand a little bit later in the show, but the president this is his first veto, and it's dramatically after a rare rebuke, even from some Republicans in the Senate who have imagined twelve Republicans with ten against him. I didn't imagine it. But he's you had statement. He talked a lot about the reality. Which is funny because no presidents have been more disconnected from reality. We know there's no crisis at the Buddha. He said himself in the rose Godunov month. I don't have to do this. And yet here he is signing this veto unnecessary veto unnecessary national emergency. He talked about the country being literally full the seems which is another reminder that he doesn't know the meaning of the would literally I'm worst of all he cooled migrants again invaded. You said we're going to talk about New Zealand the alleged shooter New Zealand referred to immigrant as invaders for the president to use that language only a few hours later off to fourteen on Muslims. Dead is disgusting. It's inexcusable I would say full, but he clearly has no shame to talk about invade. As again, the president depicting the resolution that passed which is a resolution of disapproval as if it was going to take away all border security, that's the the picture heaping. And in fact, they were happy to give him congress. Both Democrats and Republicans are happy to give him billions of dollars for his wall and for more border security, but he didn't get exactly what he wanted. And so he decided to do this executive order, and even if there was a wall across all fifteen hundred square mile or fifteen hundred miles of the order. It would have no impact on the real crisis. Which is the crisis having to do with a Silom seekers Forty-six thousand came last month that is a crisis. That is something that has humanitarian crisis not not national security Christ. So it's not an essence security crisis. But it is something that congress needs to deal with and they're probably do need to. Be fixed in the Silom law. It is not just enough to say, okay, anybody who manages to get here. Step foot on US soil can claim asylum. If they have a credible fear of of harm back home. We probably do need to look at it. But the wall is not going to do any of that and his acting as if these people are criminals is criminal in and of itself. These are people who are fleeing drug lords and the narcotrafficking that's going on all of which by the way is being driven by the American appetite for illegal drugs. One of the things that is going on with the humanitarian aspect of this, which the president seldom talks about has to do with the fact that so many of the people coming as opposed to decades before the people who who mainly crossed the border were unmarried men young men. This is a lot of families in the problem is that you can't lock them up because of that the ruling in that court case that says that children can't be separated from their parents at center. Yeah. I mean, it's such a the emergency is not justified on the face of the statute. It's not a real emergency. And congress has every right in the statute to say, no, this is an inappropriate use of the emergencies act, which majority of both houses has now said, including I'm pleased by twelve problem senators could used a few more, and maybe we're gradually getting to a few more. So that's first of all just as a matter of the president, the president signed the budget that has whatever it is one point three five billion for by border security, if he had wished to veto it. He could have if he'd wished whether Republicans control both houses of congress. They could've put put in more money they didn't. So then he has this fake emergency proclamation, which is now overruled by both houses of congress. They didn't said as Linda says of working on all kinds of issues immigration reform. Will you could get some bipartisanship, I think and a bunch of areas he just demagogues it in a way that makes it harder to actually do something to address the genuine humanitarian crisis to make sensible reforms in our legal immigration system to take care of the DACA kids. And all that. I mean, it's really so that we pay a price for his demagoguery. In addition just whipping up with not just in addition to whipping up resentments that really terrible way against immigrants legal and illegal the invaders. I mean, isn't that a believable people are fleeing whenever you think about what the right way to process people, which is complicated. You can't just let it went in automatically. But to call them invaders really, well, and the other thing is just the idea that as was pointed out the idea that so soon after a horrific attack carried out in the name of bigotry hatred. Xenophobia's Lama phobia, the president is using very stark language painting. Individuals coming from Central America, as if they all every one of them is a member of MS thirteen words matter the president's words, absolutely matter, and I was I was on a panel this past weekend south by south west. We were talking about the toxins in the of the internet, and how this very inflammatory language, spilling out and someone noted. Well, maybe we shouldn't just give it any paid any attention. But when you. Let things like this Bester, you were whipping up the nastiest and most terrible things inside people. But sometimes galvanizing that and so that's why it matters if Donald Trump is it calls, folks, invaders criminals and tries to paint people as other because people have been galvanized the act by this type of language, and it's continuing to happen or everyone stick around. This is of all, of course, happening at the same time as we're expecting the mosque massacre suspect in court, I want to bring in on the phone from New Zealand Scott Brown, the former US Senator now the US ambassador to New Zealand, Mr. ambassador. Thank you so much for talking with us or to make you wait there for a few minutes. Four people were originally arrested for this attack. Our understanding is one has been charged. Another person has been released the two others as far as we know remain in custody do know anything more about their involvement. No, it's obviously a developing story Ajay to you and your panel and also to your viewers, and they're focusing on. Victims making sure that the family and friends have all the tools and resources they need is, you know, forty nine did a very high number battling in being treated for their injuries, and they're focusing on securing the site get gathering evidence. And obviously figuring out what happened. And why obviously this is a developing story. So so information is still just coming in. None of the people arrested as far as I can as far as I know had been on any security watchlist prior to the attack, and yet we're also learning that the man who wrote the manifesto and carried out the massacre said he'd been planning to attack for two years. Is there any indication as of right now that this was an intelligence failure or a law enforcement failure in any way. I refer to the prime minister statements where she said that these people were not on the radar that certainly a conversation to do your after action review to see what was done right and wrong, so off okay right now is making sure all of our personnel are safe and secure. Because as your view is emissions may not know Christchurch was rocked recently. You know, within the last decade of massive earthquake Christchurch is also the the the base where we send operations to Tactica. So we have scientists and military and others this. We are first job in priority is to make sure they're safe. Our citizens are safe to focus on, you know. Okay. How come they didn't know that's really between the New Zealand government in their intelligence? Okay. Law enforcement fair. Now is there any indication of any other threat in New Zealand or anywhere else in the world, including the United States, obviously copycat attacks are always a concern. Cer- certainly they are. I'm not privy to any of those types of declarations determinations. All I can do right now is focus on what we're doing here. And we are offering any and all assistance that the government needs. As you probably know, the president of the prime minister, I know the secretary of the deputy, prime minister has been communications in your view is in listeners may not know New Zealand's of five is partner of between the US, Canada, Australia, Great Britain and news in obviously New Zealand, and we share and have shared and had a relationship for close to two hundred years. So that free and fair and open flow of information back and forth has been ineffective forever. And it's continuing. So where we're enhancing that relationship in whatever they need. We're here for them. In addition to five is intelligence, anything that that the US has what other assistance is being provided by the US government, the Trump administration and for anybody watching at home or work who who wants to help. What can they do? Well, thank you. And that's a that's a great point. I mean, I remember Boston. What happened in the Boston bombing marathon bombing and the whole Boston strong mentality though, I suggest that there's a key strong mentality here as well. New Zealand is a beautiful country four point six plus million people there are fiercely independent resilient hardworking. And while this is certainly been a setback. I am absolutely positive that they will come out of this better and stronger. I would just ask people to, you know, contact their local Red Cross I mean with Gillan I find out. Okay. Do the need blood than they food to the need what type of resources so where where we lying on the New Zealand government in as we find that information. I'd encourage folks to go to my US embassy website, and we'll be posting certainly things there that folks may be able to help ambassador Scott Brown. Thank you so much. We appreciate your calling in great Jake today to you and your team. I thank you. Thank you so much. We're continuing to follow these two breaking stories. 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So you can have the best clip. But but we're getting a lot of dogs to the various entry points. Also. So with that I just want to thank everybody for being here in particular one you folks because you have been police say Hello to all of your friends that have been with us really from from day one. What you've been through it is unthinkable. And I appreciate it. And you're strong people you're strong, India proud, and you can too, you know, looking down on you right now. And they're very proud of their moms and dads. You know that right? Thank you very much again to those Republican senators that did what they had to do yesterday. I wanna thank them, the very special friends and very special people, and they wanna see borders that are strong where we don't allow drugs and crime and all of the problems coming into our country. Thank you very much. Thank you. Rising threat around the world. I don't really I think it's a small group of people that have very very serious problem. I guess if you look at what happened in New Zealand, perhaps that's a case. I don't know enough about it yet. They're just learning about the person and the people, but it's certainly a terrible thing. Terrible thing gifts. The Republicans voted. They were security only. You have some I do I look that. We're doing what they have to do. And look I did. I put no pressure on anybody. I actually said I could have gotten some of them to come along. I said I want you to vote your heart. Do what you wanted to. I'm not putting any pressure. I'll let them know when this pressure. Okay. And I told him that what I need you vote. I'm going to let you know. I didn't need the because we all knew it was going to be a Evita, and they're not going to be able to override it's going to go very quickly. And we have a great as as your attorney general just said cases are very scrolled case, very powerful case. It was I think actually national emergency was designed for specific purpose like this. So we have a great. We have a great of case that I think it's over. I mean, ideally, they shouldn't even sue on this case you want to know the truth. They shouldn't be doing this case. But they will because they always do we want border security. We went safety. We what no drugs we wanted. No, human traffic in okay. The killer and his traveling Gordon manifesto. Did you see that? Did you see that? I did not see I did not say, but I think it's a horrible event. It's a horrible thing. I sorta early in the morning when I looked at what was happening in New Zealand and just focus, you know, through the prime minister. I think it's a horrible disgraceful thing. In a horrible act. Okay. Thank you very much. Thank you. All right. That's President Trump is meeting the first veto of his presidency. I wanna bring a democratic congressman Andre Carson of Indiana. He's the second Muslim to be elected to the US congress. Congressman just a note we are thinking about the Muslim community in the United States and around the world today. I want to ask you you serve on the house intelligence committee. The president just said he does not believe white nationalism is a rising threat in the world. I know that there are six in the United States from the Anti-Defamation League that suggests that white nationalism is in fact rising when it comes to propaganda when it comes to violence when it comes to targeting schools. What do you know, you have better data than I do as a member of the house intelligence committee about the rise of white nationalism? Deeply disappointed in the president's dismissal. Jake, using these these facts, I've seen these facts, the FBI has reaffirmed these facts, even during my time at the Indiana Department of homeland security of white supremacy and white supremacist activity will still an issue, particularly in the ranks of law enforcement. And so it's it's interesting how when there are crimes or acts of violence committed by African Americans or by other minority groups, and especially Muslims folks, don't seek to contextualized these issues, no one traces back to their childhood when they didn't get a hug when they were six or seven, and they dismiss it to to to attributed to this overall terroristic effort that that and I think that kind of dismissal especially from the president of the United States is hurtful. So congressman have you. Let's turn to the attack itself. Because you remember the house intelligence committee? Have you been briefed on on the attack in New Zealand? What what new if anything can you tell us. Well, I have been in contact with the intelligence committee and its leadership there. And I'm limited in terms of what I can say, I will say that the US our intelligence agencies have been working very closely with New Zealand, which is a five I partner and our law enforcement an Intel agencies have been sending folks there as we speak. We have a strong relationship with the New Zealand government. In fact, many of the police departments in New Zealand trained regularly with our police agencies police departments, federal and state and local as well. So the relationships are very strong. I do think we need to note that these kinds of acts require the global religious community to come together in a very real way. I'm so pleased when I hear folks like huge, ache and other leaders religious leaders specifically. Condemn these acts of violence and issue a call for unity from me, ma'am, from pastors from rabbis from spiritual leaders across the religious spectrum to come together and push games. These kinds of terrible acts. It's horrific I, but I did hear some nice anecdotes today about about Jews and Christians going to mosques today in New York City and other places to express support. But it is also tragic because police in New Zealand is, you know, urged, quote, anyone who was thinking of going to a mosque anywhere in New Zealand today. Not to go unquote, New York City, Washington DC Houston have now also increased police presence at mosques there, obviously the freedom to worship into to celebrate whatever faith you have is one of the most cherished freedoms in this country. Do you think Americans need to be worried? I think we should always be concerned, but I'm pleased to see the interfaith community coming together, encouraging parisioners and adherence from different religious groups to support their local Masjid or mosque and to join Jim oppressor versus in pray alongside Muslims to show a kind of religious solidarity that is lacking during this very toxic climate this alleged attacker and explaining there's no explanation for it. But in whatever nonsense hate he wrote down in this document. He used words such as invaders when talking about migrants he talked about how they wanted to quote, replace white people. These are words we've heard words that we've heard used back here at home and not just Charlottesville in Washington DC. Do you think that that individuals leaders using that kind of language of other rising people demonizing them making those who are not white Christians seem somehow threat? Do you think that that ends up having an impact on on individuals like this horrific murderer in New Zealand? I think it does especially for those people who view their religious texts literally. I also think that religious and political leaders have a responsibility to watch the language that we use and that kind of language in our language has a great impact. And unfortunately, many extremists organizations have used a relate, the language of religious leaders, and certainly political leaders to justify their hurtful ideologies and to justify potential attacks that they're planning as we speak and to justify actions like the ones we've seen over the past forty eight hours. All right. Congressman Andre Carson democrat of Indiana. Thank you so much for your time, sir. We appreciate it. And our thoughts are with you on Muslim community. Let's let's talk about this with our with our panel. And just I have some more specific statistics Anti-Defamation League. They've been tracking white supremacist incidents. They say the increase of white supremacist incidents from two thousand seventeen to two thousand eighteen was a one hundred eighty two. Percent increase the idea that the president doesn't think that there's a white supremacist growth issue in terms of the threat is it's just factually wrong. They also pointed out that every single terrorist Medicare dot in the United States in two thousand eighteen was carried out by white nationalist, domestic volunteers, not by quote unquote Islamist, and it's been going on for a decade, and it's not just Muslims with the victims. We saw Jews eleven Jews mounted in a synagogue lost turban, Pittsburgh. We saw happen in a Sikh temple in twenty twelve black Christians in in Charleston in two thousand fifteen I'm not surprised to see Trump say he doesn't think is rising because he's elected politician and the number one rule of electrical dishes. Don't criticize you'll base. These people are is based I'm sorry to say and tomorrow line from Andrew gillum, he may not be a white nationalist. But the white nationalist thing, he's a white nationalist. He has the support of all these groups, and he's never going to own up to that. Obviously. I mean, look, I think when people hear the term white nationalists for very real reasons, they tend to that. But maybe Donald Trump doesn't think he's the white nationalist. But white supremacy and white nationalism is an ideology and the ideology. One of the main core pieces of white nationalism is curbing non white immigration. That's one of the main policy priorities that white nationalist advocate for stopping the changing demographics advocating for white ethanol state, if some of the sounds million people at home, these are things that Stephen Miller who works for President Trump who is in charge of putting together policies in this White House. He is expelled. So when folks like I believe Donald Trump at the white nationalist. I believe he has aligned himself with white supremacist ideology. And for the very reason given the policies that he is advocating for he said just in just in the remarks from the Oval Office on the invaders are coming needs, criminals, his other people and that type of language is dangerous. Already just looking before the show with the Google Inc to see what reports out there about white supremacist. Right. Nashville's violence and this report in two thousand fifteen the warns about a rise in violence. So this does precede President Trump and was burgling around on the internet, and there were incidents, many violent and terrible incidents before Donald Trump was president which makes it more important for the president height states to vote that outset on equivocally, obviously, which he I wouldn't quite say his statements today. I mean, they were sympathies statements of sympathy for the victims and for people in New Zealand. There wasn't a flat out. That's asian. I don't think there was really of white supremacy in his formal statement earlier or that thing we just saw in that event. And so I think it's important, and it's that's that would be important. Also, be interesting to know as a matter of actual intelligence sharing Scott Brown and congressman Carson both referred to the fact that we're partners with UCON and the most, you know, exclusive club of intelligence sharing the five is club. Do we share information white supremacist? Interactions online, and so forth the way we have since not eleven and maybe it'd before really into with other terrorist threats things that bothers me is we always talk about this in terms of white nationalism and white supremacy, but what's happening in the conservative movement. At least a wing of the conservative movement is even more disturbing. They dropped the word white. But nationalism is the rage now on the right? And you have, you know, heretofore respectable publications like the Claremont review of books and somebody like Krista MU who used to head up eighty I and was once at O M B out there. Promoting nationalism is a proper ideology you have the president himself talking about turning us into a nationalist nation. This has got sort of ugly precedent, ugly strain. And of course, we're seeing elsewhere. And when they talk about nationalism, they're talking about a nation as defined by blood and soil, and so it's people who were here who can trace their ancestry back to England into the British Isles, and it's based on. On, you know, our our geographic president white peop- and an elephant in the room, the biggest motivator behind white nationalist, which has been around for decades injuries right now is llama phobia. That is what he's uniting a lot of these politicians from Europe to down under in Australia New Zealand to the United States. We didn't hear a word from Donald Trump about the fact that the victims footing onto them will Muslims in a mosque. I saw his tweet this morning. He said my sympathy goes out didn't say what about the shoot to win is when he I think he said model. But he didn't say Muslim are around because whenever you says Islam, you settle this channel believe Islam hates us. So it'd be very hard for him to talk about Islam and any kind of compassionate way. This is a guy who in Twitter this morning. I saw his tweet didn't say anything about the shooter. You noticed when the shooter a bummer is a Muslim that scum that animals that evil when it's white nationalist. He doesn't say anything or you saw the coastguard guy recently was arrested with a white natural. I think from a very sad situation. Didn't didn't episodes anything about the killer or the bummer when they're killing Muslims or dare? I say Jews as I mentioned in Pittsburgh everyone stick around. We're following these two major breaking stories with the New Zealand terror suspect due in court any moment, it is the morning of Saturday in New Zealand. We'll be right back. Stay with us. Remember to create an ad like this one visit pure winning dot com slash CNN. Breaking news just in the new Zealand, Prime Minister speaking just moments ago on the investigation into the massacre. There we've learned that the alleged killer used five guns and had a gun licence. The prime minister vowed though that the country's gun laws will change. We are also expecting the suspect to appear in court any moment, and that court is where bliss savage is outside the court and Christ's church New Zealand bliss, what can you tell us about what what's happening there? There's quite a good crowd out here today. The court was supposed to open a leading to the sign on the door at about nine AM. It's now nine forty seven odors as police thin coming by stopping grinding front of here. Everybody waiting anxiously in front of this courthouse. Lot of international journalists members of the public even members from the local Muslim community here. Some men claiming that their father was one of the victims in this attack. So everybody just anxiously waiting to see we're going to get a glimpse of the suspect twos being charged with murder. Bill no movement yet here a lot of speculation some people saying that they may be sought transport fan. But like I said all speculation at this point still waiting doors are still close waiting to hear more. And of course, we just heard from the prime minister of New Zealand talking about the perpetrators used five weapons, including two semi automatics at two, shotguns. So urging people in Christ you're still to stay safe and stay inside as much as possible today, or it was thank you and keep a keep us abreast of events in Christ Church as they as they occur in his writings to suspect ranted about an invasion of Muslim immigrants in his CNN's. Drew griffin. Now reports his livestream of the seventeen minute massacre ricocheted around the world long before the tech companies took it down. It's titled the great replacement eighty-seven pages. More than sixteen thousand words, not rambling but a spell check reference. Dissertation on a hate-filled view of immigrants, immigration and Muslims. Unsigned. It is the killers explanation for why he did this out people who I would describe as having extremist views that have absolutely no place in New Zealand and infect have no place in the world. There is no doubt the twenty eight year old under arrest is a white supremacist who believe his own white European race is being wiped out by immigration labeling. It white genocide it is also the universal rallying cry of hate-filled white supremacist across the world and Charlottesville Virginia the Neo Nazi cry was. In warsaw. Poland in two thousand seventeen some marchers in an independent state. Emonstration carried banners that read white era and clean blood two thousand fifteen in Charleston, South Carolina, a white teenager named Dylann roof murdered nine African Americans in a church. The white supremacist reportedly said y'all are raping our white women y'all are taking over the world as he gunned down unarmed. Parishioners the rhetoric is old, but new technology has allowed these messages of hate to be spread in real time across the globe the New Zealand killer streamed parts of his attack live on Facebook. The video spread to YouTube Twitter news sites before police pleaded for it to stop. I have seen social media footage. It's very disturbing that shouldn't be in the public denied. And we're doing everything we can to remove hours after the attack copies of the gruesome video still continued to appear shared by social media users. While police will not discuss motive, the suspect refers to Dylann roof, and writes, he was inspired by white supremacists. Unders private who killed seventy seven people in Norway eight years ago. He does try to explain his own breaking point game in two thousand seventeen French presidential election of what he describes as an anti white ex-banker and the terror related death of an eleven year old Swedish girl, run down by a Muslim terrorist in a stolen truck in Stockholm a crime, he writes, he could no longer ignore it. Jake is eighty seven pages. The suspect does make one reference to Donald Trump. Are you a supporter he asks himself as a symbol of renewed white identity and common purpose? He says sure as a policymaker in leader. Dear God, no, Jake drew Griffin. Thank you so much. Let's bring in our experts. Let me start with you Phil Mudd a New Zealand as we've talked about as part of the five is network of intelligence sharing the United States, Canada, UK, Australia, New Zealand, they're all actively sharing intelligence Bill Kristol, an sterler whether or not intelligence about this kind of threat white supremacists. White nationalists is shared as much as the threats of Islamist terrorists. Are would be terrorists. Is it? I'd say, yeah. But let me give you an asterisk. Look don't think this is white or a Slama stir black think of this as people who pose a threat in this case in New Zealand if you saw that same threat if you're in the New Zealand service and see a threat. Whether ISIS or whether it's somebody like this, and that threat is against New York City, if there's a risk of death in New York City, I don't care where it's come from security service is gonna pass that. Now, there is an asterisk here. If you look, for example, the national counterterrorism center, if you look at our national apparatus here in the United States after nine eleven that is largely focused on obviously Slavic extremism. So I would say the information might be passed the architecture to pick up the intelligence on people like this. I don't think is is at Vance as it would be against the nicest sense sympathize, even though there are more attacks in the United States by white nationalists white supremacists. Than by any other group B goes to the suspect said he wanted to incite violence retaliation and further divide. According to the New York Times, the killer had the names of military leaders who primarily battled non white forces on his guns. He praised killers who carried out attacks Jews and Muslims. Tell us. What all this means to you. Well, this is all very very familiar. He he put out in eighty ninety pages. What enders bobick put out in fifteen hundred pages? The Norwegian must motor from from seven or eight years ago. So we've we've heard this this sort of rationalization before we've heard these stories before he's he's citing historical wrongs what he perceives to be Stoorikhel wrong. He's he's citing the need for purity. This is very familiar. This sounds exactly like the sort of thing that we hear from from ISIS terrorists, or I'll Qaeda's they the this obsession with ancient historical events aced ancient historical characters usually distorted in the view far from the reality, plus a desire for some sort of a reclaim ation of purity in the modern world. This is this is classic terrorist behavior and law enforcement agencies ought to be able to do a better job of spotting this because they already there. Already doing this for one kind of terror group. They ought to be able to do that more broadly for others Fara you worked on countering violent extremism for both George W Bush and Barack Obama administration's you have a new book out titled how we win and have extensively researched. This issue of extremism are clerks award notes that the alleged shooter's writings as Bobby just noted bear striking similarity to what we typically see from ISIS terrorists. Are you surprised at the similarity? No, I'm not surprised. I mean, look we're looking at a measurement stick around securing communities based on physical dimension. So we are defeating ISIS, and I say that in quotes based on the physical territory what Phil just said is really important what's happening in the ideological space. And how are we measuring that what's happening emotionally this guy in his manifesto is talking about what he saw when he went to France. He's talking about what he IMO what the emotional capacity was when he was absorbing all of these. Things. So it isn't just what is happening in the online space. It's how you're living your life day to day government has not been culturally listening to the rise of hate of all kinds of hate globally. We have one offs in Charlottesville. We have one offs now in New Zealand, and we think this is about a church or a synagogue or mosque. It's not it's about the way hate has been allowed to to manifest itself. All around the world, and how the issue of identity and belonging is the spark that allows these guys to thrive. So that's where we need to be looking. And that's where the solutions. Actually lied Jake because it's within communities. It's what we have to do. We have been very lazy on hate in in the years since nine eleven and we've allowed all of these kinds of hates to grow. And he will let me bring you in. This massacre was live streamed on Facebook. It was announced on eight riposted on YouTube. It was commented on on read it. It was sent around the world before the tech companies took it down. How is it possible? Given the technology at their disposal today. That it that it took so long for the for the internet companies to to stop this video from being shown, well, I think Jake there's a lot of things that are happening here. But one of the one of the things that we have to focus on is that the online companies have chosen to do what's called notice and takedown if you told me something as it problem, then I will do something about it. And and instead of doing things that could be done here. So for example, let's put us in the physical setting when there's a horrible situation happening. A lot of times people go running to see what it is. And then they call nine one one in the online space to conduct is no different. In fact, Facebook even says by their own words that a livestream video will get six times the interaction of a non livestream video. So they're pushing that in saying use it. So that is why it's becoming the weapon of choice in the sense here. So many things could be done to stop that. Which I don't see happening. The the existing go ahead. Go ahead. Well, I think there's a much simpler onto the reason why the companies have not been able to stop this sort of thing happening is because they don't care who they're not doing anywhere near enough. It's not enough to say we have put that Townsend's of people on the job. Right. If you put a thousand people thousands of people, and you're not getting done, then it's time to put ten thousands of let me let me make billions of dollars in profits. They do this. Go ahead. Even let me give you some examples here for for example, when there is a livestream that has something horrible. A lot of people are going to see just put in what are called an I call a non anomalous triggers. There's a number of people are going up really fast. The velocity is quick. Their reactions are quick even the complaints might be happening quickly put that at the top of the list and review it or stop that stream until it gets reviewed or just high day. What I call the bozo. Button to make sure nobody else's seeing it the person thinks it's still going out there. But at least get a review to see it or in terms of spreading around the world. And I'm actually pretty shocked that this is happening even today. In two thousand nineteen if it is fingerprinted something that's been around for years now that copyright industry uses all sorts of companies are using it fingerprint, the sound if you don't wanna think of print the video and share that thing or printed with everybody else. So they can use it and block it from happening or for example, use AI who listen to the sound there. Sounds of children crying people screaming gunshots happening when you see that take a look and say, hey, there's something unusual. But this video that needs examination specially in a live environment. You can't claim it's a movie, Phil. Let me ask you the these websites there, obviously places where these horrific bigots go to vent and sometimes to plot law enforcement presumably knows about them. Are they using them enough? Look, I think this is about chapter two of a twenty chapter book when I was at the bureau, they're using them. They're looking at them. But there's a difference between somebody talking about. Hey in this country. We say hates, okay. And somebody talking about violence. My first question in this case, it's not just what happened. It's when they were talking online where there are other people involved in this who should have alerted law enforcement. It's not just people like Facebook. It's also a citizen who sees this and says I heard this guy talking I didn't say anything I want to hear about those people. This is where the grassroots come in. Right. The government can't do everything technologies. Have a very big role to play in Bobby is absolutely right that they haven't done enough. But the people that are actually able to build resilience in communities to fight all kinds of us versus them are NGOs, themselves and communities themselves tech companies should be partnering with those NGOs to do more. We have already tested the kinds of things that work to help people along the way as they become more and more radicalized. Why haven't we scaled them? That's the question we should be asking or things one. And I'll be sure to tune in Sunday to see it in for state of the union. I guess we'll be congresswoman a receipt. It's a lead and presidential candidate democratic Senator Amy klobuchar. It's at nine AM noon eastern on Sunday our coverage on CNN continues right now. Thanks for watching. Are you interested in learning how great companies grow? Download the Marceca podcast. 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Ep. 911 - The Racial Matrix

The Andrew Klavan Show

46:37 min | 1 year ago

Ep. 911 - The Racial Matrix

"Mobs of far left protesters stormed Seattle, City Hall and demanded that the mayor step down because she is refusing to fund the police who are preventing them from destroying Western civilization protester dirtbag moron. Not His real name told reporters quote sure we can rampage violently through the halls of government, but as long as they're still police around. We can't rape and kill with impunity how a society supposed to have justice when there are still people with the privilege of not being terrorized unquote. The protesters immediately declared the area, the Communist Woke Toe, paradise of Seattle and began spying on people and randomly beating up anyone who looked they might one day have a thought that was not in keeping with their philosophy, which is to spy on people and beat up. Anyone who might one day have thought that was not in keeping with their philosophy. The mayhem only stopped when they ran out of food and had to use their iphones to call pizza hut to tell them that capitalist corporations are evil, and please send over two dozen large pies with Pepperoni and Black Olives because black olives matter the pizza delivery guy and was promptly robbed at gunpoint. Because money is bad, the leaders of the pro, the leader of the protesters dirtbag moron. No relation to the other dirtbag moron. Except being a dirtbag, Moron told him imaginary gathering of happy Conrad's comrades Utopia that exists only in his imagination, but his just like Seattle except not on fire and filled with homeless people. He said quote when all-america. Those now we will at last have justice and possibly scurvy I. Look Forward to the day when no one will go hungry because they'll be a cat in every garbage fire in a car and every ash heap to garage unquote. The protesters say the protests will continue until there is social justice for all or something. Good is on Netflix trigger warning I'm Andrew Klavan and this is the Andrew. Klavan Show I'm. Just to give. Green also say. Should shipshape the Thompson owned. So wonderful. To See. All right welcome and thank you if you have been subscribing to the Andrew Klavan YouTube channel. You're actually making black lives better I. Don't know. Maybe you're not, but you're subscribing making my life better. And that's the important thing. The important thing remember the central idea here is saved Cleveland, and we are looking at your comments if they come into the Andrew, after the Andrew Klavan YouTube channel to get featured on the show. Here's one from Tom Cruise K. R. E. WBZ, so he's disguising the fact that it's the famous actor i. I have officially unsubscribe to the knows Youtube Channel at the same time I must add that I truly enjoy listening to all the Cleveland. He goodness from the Chris Clear sounds from my rake on ear buds. Now feature my comment, please. I believe I pandered to you most properly. Yeah, that's I. think that's that's just about enough. By the way, Knowles is going to be on the louder with crowder. Steven, crowder show so that you can see on Steven crowder's Youtube Channel, and while you're on Youtube, you of course can unsubscribe from Knowles. As I feared trump is cratering in the polls. It's really looking not so good for him and make that makes it possible. that an inchoate ventriloquist's dummy will be the next president of the United States, and it will be the far left doing the talking. The left right now is winning, and they are very bad. People who hate America and wanted to end. That's not extreme language. If the new times is representative of the left and I think it is, they've been. been rewriting the history of both the United States and the Soviet Union for a couple of year, now's years now making the crushing slave communism look good and the fractious, but wealth and Freedom Producing Republic of America. Look bad, which points to the truth. If the Democrats do win, it will be a triumph of the Matrix, a triumph of narrative overreact, and it's the lives of black Americans that are being sacrificed by the left to create that narrative everyone including Fox News everyone is. Is talking about police reform, and of course police have a lot of power and reform is always a good thing and I don't doubt Black Americans experience of the police can be painful and problematic, but attacking the police isn't going to do a damn thing to help people in poor communities, except maybe get more of them killed by the predators whom their streets. It's not going to protect them from the evil black lives matter movement, which openly declares its purpose of dismantling the family. Family the one institution that might begin to help actual BRAC. Black lives racism exists, but black aren't being held back by racism. They're being held back by leftist policies that have made them dependent kept them poorly schooled in house, and yes weakened their families. But if you say that, if at your place of work, you get fired like the NBA announcer who lost his job because he said all lives matter, think about that for a second or the UCLA professor who got suspended because. Because he refused, reschedule an exam in tribute to the rioters, police reform is at the margin of the problem were being forced to the margin by censorship meant to increase white guilt and fear so that we cannot help our black fellow citizens by speaking the truth about the real problems. Let me say this again. 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Christopher Rufo is a contributing editor of my colleague at City Journal, and he's terrific writer and a brave writer, and he lives in Seattle, and he wrote a description of what happened, and I want to read some of it, too, so you don't just have ideas in your head that you're seeing on twitter. He says Seattle's hard left. Secessionist Movement has claimed its first territory six blocks in the Capitol Hill neighborhood for the past week. Black lives matter antique. Affiliated activists have engaged in a pitched battle with Seattle, police officers and National Guard soldiers in the neighborhood, hoping to break through the barricade, protesters attacked officers with bricks, bottles, rocks and Explosive devices sending some officers to the hospital at the same time, activists circulated videos of the conflict and accused the police brutality, demanding that the city cease using tear gas and other anti-riot techniques, so not just not just violence. It's the Matrix. It's creating this narrative to make it seem like it's the police doing the bad stuff. Then in a stunning turn of events, the city of Seattle made the decision to abandon the east precinct and surrender the neighborhood to the protesters. This is an exercise in trust and deescalation explained chief. Chief Carmen. Best officers and national guardsmen emptied out the facility boarded up and retreated immediately afterward. Black lives, protesters, ANTIFA. BLACKSHIRTS, and are members of the hard left John Brown. Gun Club seized control of the neighborhood moved the barricades into a defensive position, so that first thing they did by the way was build a wall. Maybe they can get Mexico to pay for it, and they declared at the Capitol. Hill Autonomous Zone Chas. They even put up a cardboard sign at the barricades declaring you are now leaving the US A. One on the. Melanie just say the city government has not developed a strategic response to the takeover of Capitol Hill. According to one Seattle police officer the city's leadership is in chaos, and the mayor's made the decision to let a mob of thousand people dictate public safety policy for city of seven hundred and fifty thousand people, and this is all going on in Portland to. They're now putting barricades and Portland The New York. Times meanwhile is running op eds. KNUCKLEHEAD row that say things like what does it mean to fund the police? What are they meet? What do they mean by that with? This is what they mean. It's not. Not The funding the police. It's defunding the real police so that you can have black shirt police. You can have Nazis Who Call Themselves Anti Fascist? which is hilarious and that's what's happening in Seattle. This is a real thing and this is what Joe Biden is ventriloquist's dummy four. That's really important. Point and I'll show it to you in just a second I. Let's go. Let's go to the Seattle governor. There's going to be cut. Eleven this. His name is Jay Inslee, and he's asked by a reporter about the fact that the most important city in his state has been part taken over by. Armed insurgents has been taken over by armed insurgents and here is Jay inslee governor of of the state. Here's his response. To ask you about. Some of the capital Thomas Zone which are thought about the fact that the protesters have taken that over. Freely. Darn. Well that's news to me. So I'll have to reserve any comment about it I have not I have not heard anything about that. From any. Credible source. Not that you're not credible just. Before I. Espouse an opinion. I should know of which I. Your line fresh Tony Soldiers. At fills you with confidence, doesn't it? That just fills your heart with like Oh. Yeah, this. This is a thing as good control. The mayor Jenny Durkan is one of the ways of starters because she said she wouldn't defend the police, she says an effort to proactively deescalate interactions between protesters and law enforcement outside the East precinct chief. Best Seattle PD officers have removed barricades surrounding the eastern precinct while safely securing the facility. His the leadership and you know Chris Rufo says Oh. These people weren't elected. This is now a control of a major part of a city by people who are unelected. They were elected. They were elected when you elected. People who let them take over. There were elected when you elected. People who let them take over and one of them is a woman named an Akita Oliver a radical activist and former Merrill candidate after night fell this rufo again after night fell in light. Light rain began falling. She spoke to the crowd and outline the ideological commitments behind the occupation. We need to align ourselves with global struggle. The acknowledges that the United States plays a role in racialist capitalism. Racialist capitalism is built upon patriarchy, white supremacy and classism, and of course made the world richer than it's ever been, but let's not say anything about that, and of course was also great for black lives until we were convinced to shut down the economy for months and months and months. The there is also this guy a a rapper. First of all who did men spray painted the police station with slogans and Arca. Symbols renamed it the Seattle Peoples Department Razz, Simone, a local rapper with an AK forty, seven, slung from his shoulder, a pistol attached to his hip screamed. This is war into a megaphone. Here is the rapper. This is cut nine. On or that's actually being nice and let him to stay here for God. We are the police of this community now. Your within. Thirty. Minutes. You're talking about. Around your? Donald Trump's. This just this is a guy. They're beating people up there questioning people they're demanding attribute money to let people get to work. you know they in. They didn't want to defend the police. They wanted to be the police and the when they become the police, they coarser. They're not these are not so. That's what they are. They're Nazis. You know the fact that they. Put forward socialism, some kind of weird. Utopian idea that that's going to work. This time doesn't stop them from being Nazis. They're anti-semites there. You know racist. They're incredibly violent They're not. In Favor of democracy or election, an unfavorable free remember capitalism isn't really an ISM. It's just people trading freely, so they're not against so they're not in favor of that. Either meanwhile opinion on about among white liberals seems to be seems to be shifting toward this evil movement, black lives matter, and of course that is what I was talking about before and warning you about before. Which is the Stockholm Syndrome people feel like they have been held hostage and remember this covert lockdown this Chinese flu lockdown and this and this happening now is all part of the same thing so now we just for Comic Relief I've got to play this. The celebrities who represent I think a certain level of white elite opinion people who are so protected from reality by their position, and by their money that they think that owed wonderful the black lives. Lives matter that sounds so nice. Black Lives Matter I. Get it. They're going to check their privilege. And that's really going to help. The Guy who's being murdered the child who's been murdered murdered by gang members in La Right now. The murder rate is up two hundred and fifty percent, and it's gang member spraying bullets around who gets killed innocent black people, but their lives don't matter, but celebrities with them. Celebrities with them here is cut twenty A. Wonderful. Montage of celebrities checking their privilege. I take responsibility. I take responsibility. I TAKE! Responsibility I take responsibility for every unchecked moment. For every time. It was easier to ignore then to call it for what it was. Every not so funny joke. Every unfair stereotype. Every blatant injustice, no matter how big or small every time I remained silent. Every time I explained away police brutality. Or turned a blind eye. I take responsibility. Black people are being slaughtered in the streets killed in their own homes. That's true, but not by the beliefs, but amazing thing is once that video came back then came out of nineteen black people who were slaughtered in Chicago last weekend I believe I believe it was nineteen and may have been more. can came back to life. They came back to the celebrity power I. Just Sheer Star power brought those people back to life. So that's that's a good thing. We can always look forward to that now. You doubt that this is going to be ventriloquist through Joe Biden, listen to him this. This may run over a little bit, but this is Biden on. The police says cut fifteen. I. Don't believe we should be funded, but I think the conditions should be placed upon them or departments are having to take significant reforms related. We should set up national use of force standard if they don't sign onto it then. In fact, they don't get any federal money. So! They get funded, so he is. He is saying because he's gotta be. That Joe Biden middle of the road face. He saying he doesn't want them defended, but if they don't obey, they'll be defended now. Here is Biden on Donald Trump. This is three. This is going to try and skilled collection. This the guy who said that all male imbalance are fraudulent. Voting by mail while he sits behind the desk in Oval Office in writes his male invalid vote in a primary. This is a guy you have twenty three I believe is days passed over over. Eighty? Two pieces of legislation making it harder for people hard. That's why we're putting together a major initiative lawyers to go out and make sure that we're in every single district in the country to patrol this. So remember when spreading doubt about our electoral system remember when that was a terrible thing, a horrible horrible thing that trump did, but who monkey with the election, last night, Barack, Obama and Democrat Party is coming out now, but it's being obscured by these riots, and I think that's part of the reason. The press loves this stuff is because it's burying the fact that they buried the fact that Barack. Obama really did screw with our elections, and the Democrats tried to overturn our elections by legal means using what. Undercover of law. They tried to overturn our elections over. Absolutely nothing an in an illegal manner undercover of law now finally I just WanNa. Play Terry McAuliffe who is a biden surrogate and former Clinton. Crony. Talking about Biden's campaign strategy Kuffour. People say all we gotta get personnel the basement. He's fine on the base for. Two people seem day his to body people last at and let trump keep doing what trump's doing. It's hard for the vice-president. The breakthrough you've got the COVID crisis. He's not a governor. Done even national. Guard is at the present on have a brief hero. He needs to come out strategically when he says something like he did on race relations two days ago. It needs to have a big impact thoughtful preferring that he actually do at the time. There should be their campaign slogan. Keep Biden in the seller. You know the thing is what's trump doing? He's doing what we told them on the show to do and you know if you relieve the poets, unacknowledged legislators of the world. He's meeting with black leaders meeting with his black business friend leaders he's. He's taking care of the police reforms. He's studying that himself He's GonNa come out eventually. He's got to come out eventually make. Make a speech telling people we actually supposed to the media says he is, but what they know is, the media will fight for them. They know the media will cover up the mainstream news. The networks aren't even covering Seattle. They're not covering Seattle. A major American city is being taken over by Nazis and they're not covering. It's just not happening, but trump trump bad man, bad orangemen, bad orangemen bad all right. Let us talk for a moment about. You Know How much we love ROCK AUTO DOT COM. Why because we love saying Iraq auto dot com I mean it just makes us feel cool right, but it's also very useful to say rock auto dot com, because if your car needs apart and is not running, you get in your car and pretend to drive to the car parts store, and then make believe you're ordering apart. It's just not going to get you very far. Especially when all you have to do is GONNA ROCK AUTO DOT COM, not only do you get to say Rock Auto Dot Com? 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Hitchcock used to say the police are the only people who can say come with me and you have to go with them, and so always always issued police reform on. They should be taught not to abuse their power. Always they should be taught empathy with the community. All these things are. Are True, and so it's not a bad thing is not a bad thing that they're talking about police reform. It's just a distraction from the fact from what is bothering black Americans in this country. That is the problem. It's part of the Matrix is a wonderful thing when you can use something real to become part of the Matrix so the brother of George Floyd. Felonies Floyd made his statement and it was very moving. It was very touching. Of course it is his brother's dead. He watched this horrible horrible video of this guy pleading for his life as the police I mean you know, let's let's let's not forget. Let's not forget that this was a bad incident. It was about available on video we are talking about. Something, that is very narrative pop up powerful, an individual story is always powerful as mouse said one tragedy is one one death a tragedy. Millions of deaths are just pissed, and so what we on the writer talking about a statistic. The left has a narrative advantage and so here's Filippini's talking about this and again like I said it's very powerful. It's cut six. I'm here to ask you to make it stop. Stop the pain. Stop US being tired. Joe called for help and he was ignored. Please listen to the cloud I'm making to you now. To the calls about family and the cars ringing out the streets across the world, people of all backgrounds, genders and races have come together to demand change. Honored Him. On a George and make the necessary changes that make law enforcement the solution. And not the problem. Hold them accountable when they do something wrong. Teach them what it means to treat people with empathy and respect. And he goes on and makes perfectly reasonable. You Know Chang train them about the use of force in the the deadliest, not as defined. The police say it was a very. Rational speech and again very emotional, wiser very emotional, because we care about our fellow citizens, because we're not racist because he's not a racist country. There's not racism you know, somebody somebody said who was it. They said that racism was like Corn Syrup. It was in everything I think it was one of the talk show host something like that, but if that's true, you can't do anything about it. You can't pluck the bones out of a fish, right. It's just not gonNA happen, and so that's why they do it. That's why they do what they attack things that can't be changed in order to keep the drumbeat. Drumbeat going? It's got to keep going because this is an industry. This is an it's a combination of two things. It's just like when Hitler came to power, there were people who thought we can use Hitler See. We're GONNA put him in power. Because he's going to help us. Businessmen would think this, and then once you know he. We have what we want. We just get rid of them. Just get rid of them. This is the same thing that's exactly the. The same thing is happening now there are people kowtowing to this violent left these violent left wing extremists, because they're trying to preserve an infrastructure and bureaucracy of of welfare and patronage, and all these billions of dollars that are poured into neighborhoods through government jobs. So this gives the Democrats enormous power. It gives the bureaucracy enormous power. It keeps black. People enslaved to these handouts. It keeps them dependent. It keeps them mediocre. It keeps them in their neighborhoods and. And meanwhile their schools are terrible. Their public schools are just awful that too that too is the teacher's Union. That is such a big backer of the Democrat Party. So it's all like an illusion, but it's not. It's not created out of nothing. It's created out of real problems that the Democrats have fostered and maintained all these fifty five years since the great society began, and so when this this man gets up and he talks we all I feel it i. Feel his pain. I feel is suffering. Why because I'm an American? He's an American and I understand that this is a bad thing, but it still using narrative an emotional our to drive us away from the center of the problem, which is families, which is education, which is jobs, which is faith and morality and things that make lives work for white people. The make things work for white people. People, but we don't WanNa tell black people about them because we've got this big system of keeping them in place called the Democrat Party. It's been doing it since this country began been doing this since the Democrat Party began keeping black people down in his doing it still, and this is a matrix created by the enormous industry of communications that they own. They own it and you know. I'm sorry, but it is on us, you know we know this is the problem and again. I've talked about this a million times I'm GONNA. Say it one more time. Trump is the only guy who understands that this is the issue. Everybody else say Oh, we'll don't say that. Don't see that because they're afraid of getting sued. They're afraid of losing sponsors. They're afraid of all the things that happened to you. When you tell the truth about black people in America, when you say the black lives, matter is evil. You lose your sponsors when you say that black lives matter is evil, you lose your, so you were rewarded for calling good evil and evil, good and the only guy who. WHO GETS THIS IS DONALD TRUMP and the very traits that make him able to stand up to. It are the very traits that make him very unappealing guy to a lot of people, and yes is are his words taken out of context? And yes, they lie about him every day. They sure do they lie about it's. It's insane I mean I don't know how they live with themselves the way they misrepresent what he does, and who he is, but still his character, his personality, the way he speaks is very. Very, very off, putting to a lot of people, and he plays in the very fact that he fights back against them the way he does that, he has that character is also the same thing that makes them so appealing. That is a tragic fact. I'm not blaming him. I'm just telling you. That is the truth and you can see it in the polls now. He's changing his ways. He's taking some of the advice from Klavan. Since we're, we know. I'm always one hundred percent correct. He can still turn. Turn this around, remember we're dealing partly, we're dealing apart with the madness comes at the end of a crisis, the madness that comes at the end of the lockdown and the hysteria about the Chinese flu. That's coming to an end when things come to an end, there is craziness and that's this craziness. The left is going to be doing everything it can with all the power of its narrative to be to keep that craziness alive until the elections, they are going to be working and working on working on it. If. We sent him there to be the voice that talks back. He can't hide in in the White House. He's got to come out and talk. He's got to be visible all the time. He's going to start doing his rallies again. And that's a good thing. And of course it's going to be hilarious. The whiplash are going to get as suddenly. Chinese flu becomes dangerous. Again is going to be hilarious. That's just you know where one of those. Those neckbraces, but look every now and again somebody else speaks. There was a lady named Angela under a Davis whose brother is a police officer who was murdered, which happens about twice as much as unarmed people being murdered, and about five times as much as black unarmed people being killed by the police. Right that happens a lot more and she went before Congress, and this is what she had to say about her brother, a dead police officer. The heartbreak and the grief is inexplainable because it's very very hard to articulate when your entire world has been turned upside down. I do want to know though when I think about all of this is that my brother wore a uniform. He wore that uniform proudly. I'm wondering. Where is where is the outrage for fallen officer? That also happens to be African American. Whereas the outrage for fallen officer who's African American where's the outreach for the children get shot by the in these drive by shootings by the stray bullets, sitting in their little yards, and the bullet comes in, and just takes out a two year old in Chicago I mean wear that. Where's the outrage and the feeling and the heart for the old ladies in those communities who? Can only go outside. When the police were there, they can only go outside. When the police were there. You WanNa know what the funding the police looks like. It looks like that rapper with an AK47 being as a bully. He's a fascist bully. These guys are all fascist bullies every single one of them. And then you've got Don Lemon on TV going, but they see do. You see you if as they must be I mean it's. It's an amazing thing we're seeing. It is amazing triumph of narrative and you know we let it happens. We let it happen because we're always gonNA panic. We're in a panic now. I can tell I mean. I'm getting the letters I. Hear what you're saying I. Hear what you're talking about. We're in a panic now when we think we've got to deal with this right now. And maybe we do I mean this is a pretty bad situation, but if if if we pull this out, if trump comes back, and he pulls this out the next day, the very next day, we will forget we will forget that we need to build a narrative will forget that we need to build a narrative machine. We will forget that we need to go into black communities and speak to them from the right and say you. You being gamed, only trump has the guts to do that. He's the only person has the guts to do it. If he wins, we will forget the next day that that's what all of us should be doing all the anti-trumpers, all the never trumpers. You don't want to support trump fine, build a narrative that will work build a narrative that will speak for us when he's gone. Because otherwise man, he's guys will run the country with. Joe Biden as their dummy. All Right? I've been telling you I. Know a lot of you have not subscribed to the all access high tier of the daily Wire and you wind and complain Oh. I have to feed my children. My children hungry. My children cry. You know come on, I mean. Let's let's PAT priorities priorities. You WanNa be with the daily wire, but because we understand you know. Being evicted is not as much fun as it looks. We understand we have a lower tier of subscription that you can afford. In fact for the first month we will give it to you for ninety nine cents, which is even less than a dollar I mean let's face it. It's a dollar. Two for a dollar, and after that, it's three bucks a month thirty six dollars for the year. You can get the articles ad free get the daily wire exclusive articles you can use the APP and it is and the motion warnings. The ads are gone, which makes it much more fun and easy to read. The sites come to the daily wire dot com slash, subscribe and join. Join today and they don't have a place where you can put my name into just do it, you know do with black lives matter doomed to scroll my name on the walls. some building that you're walking by my son. Spencer Cleveland is GONNA come on. We're GONNA talk about culture, because everybody panics, and they forget the culture, but the culture is everything coming right up. All, right, who is spins reclaim your. They give me a little thing. Then I can read off so I know who spent circling. See. You're talking about the. Dissolution of the American family or watching right here, I have to read his introduction of. Assistant, editor of the Claremont Review of books, which is a fat marketing this before he worked there, I was telling you about the Claremont Review Books. It is the best. It is a great great magazine. The American mind is the younger version that's kind of on this on the Internet and he's got a great podcast I just listened to the latest episode yesterday. The young heretics which you can get young heretics dot com I get it off apple because I just can't handle all these different places, but expense how you doing. Hey It's good to see you. Can I bring that introduction sheet over next time? I come to have a drink so that you remember. You are exactly. Just where it just wear it on, your shirt is like. Oh, it's the assistant editor from the Claremont Review Board. So I'm bringing you on at a moment when Seattle. Seattle is fallen. people are in a panic trump's poll numbers of of drop and you're sitting around talking about the Bible and Plato. Your last thing about Plato Symposium One of the greatest pieces of work. What can we tell you like? What do we tell you? Why does this matter? I know you know I go on twitter and I look out at this what feels to me like just this vast landscape of despair and anger, and I feel it to their their defacing statues of Winston Churchill. One of the greatest men ever to live without whom there would be no concept of freedom or liberty or quality to currently exist in the world I'm watching that and I get angry. I feel like the only thing to do is just go out and scream and yell about the culture and I think that obviously is incredibly important to be having those. Those fights, but you know see US Louis about whom I will do a podcast episode next week Cs. Lewis said once during world. War Two a cataclysm, a big cataclysm said you know the war creates no absolutely new situation. All it does is aggravate the situation that we're constantly in people. Forget in times of prosperity. That is the West. The West is tiny light of reason and truth and goodness in people carried long they pass it off. It's been done before right, but we theorised writes in prison before before being killed my personal favourite Cicero, the Great Roman statesman. Great works political philosophy basically before he's executed, the republic crumbles in the Empire Falls and who picks up CICERO, but John Adams right. America is the next in this line so look. Do I think this is like the end? No, I do not, but even if it is, this is our whole job our whole job, even if we're about to get taken out, is to be enriching ourselves and others with the tremendous wealth that is, it is our responsibility to pass on, and we'll be better for it, and in the end our enemies, even if they triumph in this world are GonNa be worse off in the long run, and we are going to be on the winning side. You know I always tell people who story of calling you up when you were in England. I just been reading some Plato and I said Geez. I is really depressing me nostalgic for the days when socrates could walk about the Agora discussing philosophy, and those his long pause, and then you said that they killed socrates, and so we have to remember that this is not. Unique a unique moment well I was listening to your is eight, and you have this wonderful on the on the website rejoiced dash. Ever you have this wonderful translation of Isaiah and you started talking about the Bible and why the Bible matters, even if you don't feel that your religious, give me a little of that. Yeah no sure I mean look. People are in all sorts of different places right now when it comes to belief in God, obviously I am a Christian. I believe that the Bible is the true source of Divine Truth that tells you about everything that is true about the world. But people are on all sorts of stages in the journey toward thinking about that and they tend I think we have this atmosphere. This fashionable atmosphere that nobody's smart believes in God anymore, and so all of that stuff is just kind of just superstition. It's old fashioned superstition I. Call This Chronological Chauvinism. The idea that everybody's smart was born after nineteen fifty. You know, and of course that's preposterous. If you sit down and think about it for five seconds right, the great intellects of. Of all time Thomas Acquaints Saint Augustine, all of them have believed in some form of Deity. Aristotle, even the Greeks were not Christian, and so the Bible is not only scripture for Christians and Jews it is also the vast cultural repository of at least fifty percent of the wisdom of the West. Right Athens in Jerusalem are the two great pillars of this civilization that we build across generations so to shrug off. The Bible is just old superstition. It's cutting your left foot off basically. I'm always talking about narrative and the way they build narrative, and they do exactly what you say kind of make you feel like you're a dope. If you believe in this stuff in science has done, they have that word science, which now means absolutely nothing, and they say well science has proved it. Guys have been writing to me and saying we've now proved that there was no exodus of the Jews. There was no Moses I mean. This is the kind of thing you know. They used to make they. They made fun of that Guy Schliemann. When he said there was really a Trojan war, and then he discovered troy so I mean these kind of dismissive attitude. They take a narrative building. It's a way of making you feel like you shouldn't open your mouth, so we're talking about. You're talking about the Greeks. Talking about things coming from Athens and Jerusalem and you did this show. I thought it was unbelievable this weekend your show, young heretics, young heretics, dot com, and you did on the symposium which is. Just a beautiful, beautiful book. My son by the way began translating a for me, but he never sent me the rest of his translation I. Just I. Just wanted to just WanNa. Bring that up. It, neither of US is dead yet. It's going to happen. You don't WanNa. You don't WanNa. Cut It too close. Though, but the thing is. You talked about this as a story about love. It's about people making speeches about love, and you talked about in relationship to Sigmund. Freud which I thought was really interesting point. Yeah! You know people always think that or they? We tend to assume that that socrates in Plato's dialogue is basically just Freud before? There was Freud because I, too. So obsessed us. That's all we can think about in Freud's ideas. Basically everything just boils down to sex right everything boils down to your animal urges, and all the other stuff that you do all of the romantic love that you profess all of the institutions and the civilization that we built. It's all just kind of a substitute for our sexual called supplementation and Plato Talks About Sexual Desire. If it were part of this bigger things, so people think that he's talking about supplemental, everything is just. Just sex, but in fact it's the opposite. It's a much deeper view in Plato. which is that your sexual drive and romantic love is just the first part, the tip of the iceberg to this enormous force that animates the entire universe, and so you know people were. Freud makes a stupid Freud makes us think that you know everything that we do is just disguised for some animal impulse, which totally erases all of the color out of the world and players has no. That color is real, and your romantic love is the first step to it. It's the first step on the road to this sort of vast immortal eternal love that animates the whole world. So when you talk about. Athens and Jerusalem these are two separate streams I mean because that that doesn't sound like quite like. Christianity, but it sounds like it has a relationship with Christianity and I've heard Plato called what like one of the Prophets one of the prophets before the profits that one of the profits before Jesus What is the relationship between Plato and and Christianity? Yeah this is this is really important. Because Christians can get a little bit antsy about listening to the Greeks right because they're pagans, they're they're there before fight Jesus, and you know people sort of feel like and also their ways are very different from ours I mean I talk about this in the symposium episode, so so Christians were very rightly defensive of their Christian Orthodoxy are worried about learning from anything outside of the Bible, but you know in the Bible Isaiah, my favorite Prophet, whom I'm translating. Isaiah says that one day through the Messiah all of the different nations, not just God's chosen people. People the Jews, but all of the different nations are GonNa. Come flocking to God's mountain bringing all of the stuff that they've made all of their gifts and talents in the works of their hands and I think that is the tremendous image for the fact that God created the entire universe and everybody who sees wisdom is getting this kind of like half inkling of that's what I love about the Greeks there. They haven't got Jesus, so they haven't sort of seen. What I think is the full picture, but they're so profound in their wisdom that they're like tapping up against the glass and so. So right so plato as this thing that you kind of transcend your body, you move beyond your body to attorney at once you get past your sexual desires than those that leads you into this deeper hire, more profound love, and you can kind of forget about. Your body doesn't really matter what you do. What sex is how you do sex, or whatever and I think that the Christian genius is to take that, because of course, Plato was a tremendous influence on people like Augusta and Christian. Christians took that that profound insight that your sexual drive and romantic love is one step up the ladder. Ladder Toward Eternal love and it says, but you can't leave your body behind because you're in your body, this is the incarnation right you are. You transcend your physical desires to to to understand the deeper in the higher love, but then it matters very much what you do with your. This is why we care about sexual ethics, because then in your body, you have to embody all of that stuff that you've learned from the transcended lots. You don't leave your body behind you. You take from the the wisdom of God and live it out in this physical jar of clay. We call it. And they and they knew this I mean. They knew that they were in dialogue with the Greeks wasn't like an accident. They didn't bump into each other. They knew that this was the these were two cultures coming together. Yeah, no absolutely. And this is just you know the Christians. So Augusta Guston for example right basically just converts almost through Plato he almost sort of learns. You know to to to reach God and to to come to come to Christianity by by reading certain books of Plato, he says certain point, and this is you know tremendously important because there have been some tallying is a good example. Somebody who's just that's what has Athens to do with Jerusalem's. Or why does it matter? You know that we should listen to these kind of stupid old old Greeks. Who didn't have the Bible but many of the other Christians throughout history? Augustine and Aquinas have known that the Greeks have wisdom that they are basically fulfilling Christ fulfills the wisdom of even the dental. You know I noticed that you in your latest in this symposium one I think it was You quoted me describing your show is as we're reading homer and screw, because one of the things about the young heretics is that you don't really engage with the with leftist idiocy at all, you just basically deal with the works. That's a Revolutionary Act, isn't it? Well right I mean people have accused me of just engaging in the culture wars kind of sneakily by another route, and that's that's kind of true. You know I think that the people that we are fighting with. The identity politicians the people tearing down statues. The people telling us we shouldn't read Shakespeare because he's racist. Those people have no new ideas, no good ideas, and so when we get caught in this trap that we have to engage with them. We have to take account of their ideas. You know even so that we can refute them. But but that leads us down this rabbit hole of just trying to argue with idiots who are not arguing in good faith, right? They're not arguing to learn from us, and we learn from them, which would have just got? They're arguing to tear our civilization apart. That is why they are doing. What they are doing is why they say everything. They say even if they point out something true, they're saying it so that you'll get distracted and they can punch in the jaw. That's what we're dealing with so so point. Point of gung heretics is kind of look I. Mean we have to fight that? You have to figure out we would win that fight, but we also have to not let the our whole world, because these fights are going to be over one day, and our lives, our lives on this earth are going to be over. They will be as the life of a NAT compared to our infinite lives in heaven in the world to con- so we better be talking also about the stuff that is going to endure. Spencer Clayton I. 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Ep. 753 - Leftists Try to Smash Reality with the Power of Fantasy

The Andrew Klavan Show

49:03 min | 2 years ago

Ep. 753 - Leftists Try to Smash Reality with the Power of Fantasy

"Elizabeth warren has apologized to native americans for pretending to be one of them from nineteen eighty-four to shortly after announcing her presidential run when she realized it looked bad add to have lied about her minority status consistently for the last thirty five years traveling to sioux city under the impression it was a city full of sue warren spoke before the annual will native american conference on how to parlay american racial guilt into casino contracts dressed in a feathered headdress and buckskin jerkin warned told the gathering quote. My heart is sore before the eyes of the great spirit in my remorse. A single tear runs down my cheek like in that all commercial where the indian cries about pollution the white man is stolen. Our lands burned are tense. Hence widowed are women and seized our very identity to wangle a job at harvard law school. I would take vengeance on these intruders if they were not myself which would make the whole experience very rian comfortable instead. I come before you today to smoke the pipe of peace and say how as in how did i get away with this crop for so long unquote. Dodging a hail of flaming arrows worn was asked about the fact she contributed recipes to the pow pow cookbook in nineteen eighty-four listed races american indian on our texas bora destruction asian card in nineteen eighty-six listed herself as a minority and the book of american law schools until nineteen ninety-five claim to be a woman of color as late as two thousand twelve and continued to claim her mother suffered offered anti-indian bigotry well into twenty eighteen when she also took a dna test and used a tiny glitch and are almost absurdly white blood line to claim she had a native american ancestor incest in her pedigree in response senator warren said oops in an attempt to overcome an unenthusiastic audience response worn mounted a palomino urge urge the native americans to join her in a campaign to regain their territories and then run out of road out of the hall alone trigger warning andrew klavan and this is the andrew klavan show yup leaping also say should we did see thompson zippy's so wonderful along you you don't ever i come in here and look around and see all the people working to make the daily wire what it is i think why didn't you use ziprecruiter dot com and make the daily wire something good but i don't. 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That's ziprecruiter dot com slash daily wire all one word d._a. L. y. W. i. r. e. ziprecruiter dot com slash daily wire ziprecruiter is is the smartest way to hire them bag is coming up so enjoy your problems while you have them. They will all be lisov by the end of this show as you know. All my answers are guaranteed one hundred percent correctable changer life sometimes for the better. Sometimes it's just a comedy of errors. What can i tell you i yesterday we had such a great time last night at the terrace terrace theater in long beach at the live event the daily wire backstage live. If you missed it your life will never be what it could be. It was so much fun. I there must have been three thousand people. There really must have been and it was like a rock concert. People were shouting and just stop in and having a great old time <hes>. I don't know if we set anything worthwhile. <hes> i personally dozed off through it was it was really exciting really fun and everybody was on point point. <hes> we were talking about all kinds of things the news of the day <hes> religion and <hes> and the way the media works and your old friend uncle donald trump was some of you know maybe president of the united states on day <hes> and it was just. It was really fun if you missed it up sure. We'll do it again so next time. I'll make sure you get a ticket because it was really a blast. August is is traditionally a slow news time people in government who are usually in washington d._c. Making life worse for the rest of us. Go on vacation and leave us the hell alone. Small incidents get blown out of proportion as desperate commentators looking for something to commentate about make controversies out of nothing the smart investors who usually make the market reflective of our economic reality galaxy or all at the beach and stocks become volatile in a logical giving financial right writers too much time on their hands reason to speculate about recessions that may or may not happen and so on but the fact that news is on the ground can also give us a little space to reflect on the bigger picture of what's happening in the world and one of the things i've been thinking about all summer is the still still little understood effects of tech revolution on our psyche on our culture and on politics and obviously this is a big deal tech revolution is as big as the industrial revolution of the the eighteenth century which had massive and still not entirely understood effects on work family life gender roles the balance between urban and rural areas and so much more for one thing we can say for sure technology has made the world smaller. That's almost cliche at this point but it's true we know more about what's going on in far off places and we know it faster astor and that creates a sense of unity that may or may not be in keeping with reality if there's a shooting in texas and the shooting in ohio and then a shooting in illinois we we feel as if something critical is happening to our country but our country in that sense is an imaginative creation of technology. If these things had happened hundred years ago in places this is so distant from one another. We might not even have connected them because they wouldn't have been happening in our neighborhood. Which is the only world we truly know. Imagination is a massively powerful powerful. Thing imagination is an organ of perception with which we understand our inner lives and the spiritual world and just like our other organs of perception. Our is our ears our noses our imaginations can be fooled and our sense of reality can be distorted you hear me rant a lot about the power of the news and entertainment media and the reason i do that is because the new technology technology has given these media greater and greater power and more immediate power over our imaginations in the last generation movies changed the way america perceive the world and the way the world perceived america but now movies and t._v. and podcast and all this kind of media bombard us with ideas and perceptions and visions every minute of every day eh and often were not perceiving the world as it is. We're perceiving the world as the media creates nor minds and that changes the way we think and how we feel about what's going on. That's why every day is now a struggle to sort out the difference between what's happening and what our imaginations are being taught to think is happening. We have to see if we can figure out what's real. That is what we try to do here and that is what we're going to try to a little bit <hes> today you know i wrote a column <hes> over the over the <hes> yesterday. I guess it came out because usually really i read my columns on friday when i'm not doing the show but since i didn't do a show yesterday i wrote my call yesterday and it was a about thinking about donald trump <hes> without sound. I was talking about the fact when you write a screenplay and you want something to happen. Silently seen movies where there'll be a silent passage right m._o._s. and the legend is that that that was because there are a lot of german emigrants german austrian emigrates <hes> who became directors in the early days of film the twenties thirties and forties <hes> and the way i heard it was eric on stroheim when he wanted to shoot something without sound he would say should admit out sound so as m._o._s. right commit out sound and if you look at trump without sound it really. He is a different administration than the one. We're taught to think it is you gotta take out all the noise and a lot of that noise obviously is coming from the media. <hes> <hes> you know. Some of the noise comes from donald trump himself. I mean sometimes you got to ignore with. Donald trump is saying but before we get to that let's think about the stuff that the media actually says i mean i play the every day right. I play him saying oh. He's a nazi. He's a fascist. He's got mentioned now. This is the big one he's for while. He was crazy now. It's he's got dementia. <hes> he was a russian inspired. He was a russian asset for a while. <hes> all this crazy stuff that they keep saying and this is not just coming. It's not just coming from like dopes donny deutsch. Who's the one news always like spouting this stuff. It's from you know from responsible. A new sources once responsible new sources of the new york times a former newspaper. They were were involved in the <hes>. Oh donald trump is inspiring shooters. The shooter's el paso they were just leaning on every way waiting for every word that donald trump spoke that that's why they became what they became fact that that al paso shooter was also an echo not that has nothing to do with the echo nuts telling us the world is coming to an end every minute and the thing about this is i always i think about this. Is i think about this a lot. You know i come here and you know that. I'm trying to tell you what i see. I'm trying to tell you what i see and the problems we're seeing things and and and how i you know when i'm not sure what reality is. I don't actually trying to do that if i came in here and tried to deceive you. I do not know how i would live with live with myself. I don't know oh how you could come in and sit in front of a camera and sit with a microphone and trying to see the people were watching but i know these people are deceiving. You and i know at some level at some level. It's conscious i mean the imagination is a powerful thing and maybe they live in their imagination that the other day thom hartmann now thom hartmann. You may not know he was on. He may still still be on r._t. The russian propaganda machine and if you want years ago i was promoting a book and they send you out to these places and i didn't really know what r._t. Was at the time but they said it's you know connected with russia. I said fine fine on promoting a book so i went in and thom hartmann interviewed me and you can go on and find it. It's it's pretty funny interview. I'd never liked. I never liked these things on youtube when they say you know. Ben shapiro were andrew. Klavan michael most destroys somebody but i i thought i made him look pretty bad just because once i realized what the show i was sitting in the the green room watching this left-wing propaganda coming out of this place by the time i walked in and these guys are lunatics and so i said to him look tom i think you're a lunatic and <hes> it was it was pretty funny on either. You could just see on his face that no one had talked to him like that. It really took them off guard so i d- i as a as a thinker as a guy who's making comments. I don't have a lot of respect for what it's coming out of thom hartmann's now so he tweets yesterday <hes> and i should add that he wrote a book. He writes a lot of books. He's fairly popular among the left. He wrote a book about the second amendment and how evil it is and how bad the second amendment is how. He shouldn't have guns right because you know there's one thing russian. Propaganda snows is american. People shouldn't have guns because he saw red dawn and he doesn't want that going on so so thom hartmann yesterday he <hes> he puts out a tweet he says mark my words donald trump is waiting patiently and encouraging his very own version of the reichstag fire to flip u._s. Democracy autocratic okay so the wreck site fire fire sure you know adolf hitler. There was some crazy communist lit a fire in the reichstag lab government building in berlin and hitler and the nazis played that up up to seize emergency powers which of course they never let go of they became dictators saying we must protect the the policy from these this evil <hes> communist conspiracy so he's saying that donald trump is just waiting to stage a reichstag fire so he can seize emergency powers and become adolf hitler so i tweeted back at him. I said well tom then you must want us have guns right because you wouldn't want to be able to defend ourselves against hitler. If hitler is the president the people need guns. I mean this is one of the problems <hes> hitler leukemia confiscated the jews guns. You know he knew where all the guns were. Because they had gun registration he came and got all the guns and the people couldn't defend themselves. I mean when they had an uprising. Finally to an uprising in the warsaw ghetto in the hardest things to do was to acquire weapons that was why it was so tough for the jews to fight back when they came to kill him so i tweeted back and i said well if he's hitler. Obviously you want us to have guns except obviously he doesn't because he wrote this book so he's just gas bag. He's just gas bag. He's just a guy with gas emanating out of his mouth now because he obviously doesn't believe this guy has hitler because we did he would want us to have guns. He would want to have a gun. Certainly don't actually believe what they're saying right so we have all but but but still still they create this noise. They create this world in which we're constantly endangered baidoa work. Let's play cut of baidoa work. Just basically basically conflating trump or workers from el paso a work also have is now polling at approximately minus three percent. He's going to have to give votes back. He's he's going at the end of this process. He's going to vote to the american people because he's actually fallen beneath zero so he's doing anything he can to make himself viable again and the more he tries the more extremely gets and he's from el paso here. He is blaming donald trump for the shootings in el paso which is amazing but he's a sick man focusing on the attention that others give him on whether or not he's loved versus helping a community that saw one of the worst mass shootings in american history to heal going into the hospitals of victims who were injured in large part because president trump by by warning of invasions and predators and killers and laughing when somebody one of his rallies said shoot them when referring to immigrants was responsible for this <hes> that it just shows how how depraved this president is fatal rock doesn't believe that i mean if he does believe it believes it new magic native way he believes it in this. He has this imagination that this is something viable to say but he doesn't really believe that. We're endangered because again he would want us all to have guns. He doesn't really believe that. There's a crisis that donald don't trump is inspiring shooter after the way you can tell about this the difference between the reality and the imaginative reality. They're selling is the way they treated <hes> islamic terrorists so for instance the boston bombing remember the rolling stone magazine played the boston bomber in this kind of glamour shot. <hes> you know making him look like some kind of <hes>. You know terrific guy i remember c._n._n. When he was arrested apologized for reporting that he was a muslim <hes> the idea and they kept telling us <hes> brock obama who said more people fall and hurt themselves in the bathtub that are killed by islamist terrorists. <hes> you know he would always sologne wolf. Don't worry it's alone wolf and they would be lone wolves but they would be inspired by al-qaeda which they found on the internet so now the f. b. I. says a a lot of these white supremacist guys who go nuts and kill people. They say they're all lone wolves inspired by what they see on the internet so now suddenly we have a crisis right suddenly only they're saying and by the way i disagreed with him about the islamic killers. I agree with them that it is a problem. It is a problem that these fatherless boys go on the the internet and find him as a father. These hate groups and they and they're inspired to do this. I don't say i know more people in the tub and hurt themselves but i don't say the same thing because because these ideas are cancerous. I mean you know white. Supremacy is a cancerous ideology so is islamism. These are cancers ideologies and you have to denounce them. You don't have to get in a panic about them and it is good to look at the numbers and it is good to see that it's not happening everywhere but yeah you know you can denounce these ideas so the problem is the difference between the one. Oh it's no a problem. It's just a lone wolf. You know i hate to mention. I hate to mention his religion. Because what a terrible thing that is to do but suddenly if if it's turned around and it's your political opponents suddenly it's a crisis so that that idea that we're in a crisis and then of course if you say you know white supremacy the idea of white supremacy in america not crisis. It's not a crisis. I mean it really isn't it's a problem. It is a problem that these things ideas are line. Get you know we should we should talk about him. We should fight fight back against them. We should try and keep marriages together so the we don't have so many fatherless boys. We should try and make sure that boys aren't called toxic all the time in the media. That would be a good thing to do. We should try to make sure that movies don't can continually rundown young men so young men feel that they are important parts of the society they are. They are the future of the society. We can do all kinds of things <hes> to fight white supremacy but but the one thing we don't have to do is run around screaming and in a panic about it so much of this is going on right now in the summer when news itself is not occupying people this is when you really see it when it really bubbles to the surface is a singling on it. It really is amazing with donald trump and the jews i mean donald trump has got to be the best friend best presidential friend israel ever had so he made a comment <hes> the other day about the the the fact that the democrats have a large and growing radical contingent that basically wants to wipe israel off the face of the earth right they want to they want to boycott them. They want to divest our investments in israel. They want to stop giving them a they wanna make our aid contingent on them behaving in such a way that will give the palestinians finian's <hes> power over them they want they had they have nothing at all to say about the constant barrages of rockets that come over and kill innocent israelis as they've nothing to say about the terrorism but anything israel does <hes> basically challenges their right to exist in of course i'm talking about ilhan omar and rashida to leave who've been in the news but this is an actual <hes> movement within the democrat party now eventually their supporters of israel and the democrat party eventually. There's going to be a struggle between them but right now if you are looking for antisemitic evil anti israel <hes> doings <hes> it's all in the democrat party so trump made this comment <hes> now. We got two of them. This play the the first one number three three. Where's the democratic party gun. Where have they gone where they're defending these people over the state of israel and i think any jewish people that vote for a democrat <hes> i think it shows either a total lack of knowledge or great disloyalty all right so now this word disloyalty lit up the meteorite because one of the <hes> tropes antisemitic tropes against jews is that they have dual loyalty. They're more more loyal to israel than they are to america. It's garbage but that's one of the ideas of questioning their loyalty that is why <hes> when ilan omar and russia to lead did it it. It got people on the right. Were saying hey. What are you talking about here but obviously what he was saying well. He explained it. Let's play the second clip where he explains what he was saying. We have a group. I they call it a._f._c. Plus three you could call the person representative to leave. You could say representative omar you could any way you want to go. They are anti-semites. They are against israel. She had a plan to greatly embarrassed israel by going there with the the fact that you wanted to see her grandmother. I assume that's true. I hope that's true but it was very bad very bad the things that she and others up up that group and other democrats have said and they are become the face of the democratic party and i will tell you this in my opinion. The democrats democrats have gone very far away from israel. I cannot understand how they can do that. They don't want to fund israel. They want to take away foreign aid to israel. Will they want to do a lot of bad things israel in my opinion you vote for democrat. You're being very disloyal to jewish people and you're being very very loyal and only weak. People would say anything other than that <hes>. We're gonna come back to that in a minute. Just remember what he said. I let's talk about raw auto rock auto i liked i just like saying rocko. 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Go to rock auto dot com right now and see all the parts available for your car or truck right like klavan in there. How did you hear about us box so that they know we sent you and if you find yourself freezing suddenly when you wanna do that you wait wait how do you how do you spell play. It's k. l. a. Let me help you out v. a. n. so that's president trump and he the word you know. He does this all the time. He says something that is utterly and completely true. Everything he said was utterly and completely true but because he's a little reckless. He's not that articulate. <hes> he's any speaks not. It doesn't always consider every word that he says one of the things we like about him. He uses a word that lights up the media that the media can seize on so he used the word disloyal which of course is is not what he's saying what he's saying is it would be stupid of jews to support people who would the result of destroying israel and destroying israel is what they want. It's not it's not a hard art thing to see. The result of israel would be millions and millions of jews would lose their home and probably die that would be the result so when he uses the word disloyal bummbly backward i would i would say yeah. That's not the word you wanted. The word you wanted was foolish or you know <hes> not helping israel wherever you how everyone is saying so listen listen i. Let's talk first about the media reaction. Here's joe scarborough. He says it out loud. He talks about dual loyalty out loud. He says everything think out loud his people go in defend them to oh. He doesn't mean that he says an a microphone and then and they still figure out a way to try to defend the indefensible indefensible in defense will use. I didn't use the exact right word to say what is exactly true indefensible indefensible and again you know you can criticize trump for this fine but that's what happened. He just used the wrong word to say something completely true. Let's look at the democrats selling it with everything. They've gotten remember number when they sell it. It's a big sale because all the media echoes what they say. I mean this is the problem. The media who has such colonizers <hes> do use an old word word bhai offended by geoffrey o'brien wrote a book a movies colonize our imagination the media colonizers people's imaginations so they buy echoing the democrats they sell the democrat do end eleven congressman from michigan. I mean here's a person who talked about fine. People on both sides. When neo uh-huh nazis were on the march in charlottesville. Here's a person who repeatedly talks about people from latin america coming to our country entry as an invasion and then we have white supremacists massacres in our country by people who put up you know statements on the internet that say they're doing it to avoid an invasion of latinos. The president is at the center of a maelstrom of an increase in white supremacy the and hate crimes in this country. I don't care whether he knows what he's doing or not. He's a danger to jewish people in this country. He's undermining the in incredibly important alliance between america and israel. You know i almost admire hard to get that much crap into a sentence you know it's hard to see that many things that are completely untrue <hes> and he made three points basically trump said that they were good people on both sides. We know that's not true. We've debunked that a million times. He didn't say they were good. People on both sides of the nazis news talking about a statue controversy <hes> he inspired the shooter because he used the word invasion to describe thousands of people pouring over our borders. Why would he use the word invasion. How could die separate people who use the word invasion of must be connected so it's like a conspiracy theory and and now that he's endangering the state of israel. It's not him who wants to divest in israel. It's not divest our takeout. Our investments take away our aid <hes> boycott. They caught their their things. It's not him wants to do that and yet. He's the one who's date so all of it's untrue but it's a full vision. It is a full imaginative vision. You know some of the controversies controversies that come out seems so silly and one of the reasons the right has shot itself in the foot repeatedly the conservatives because we don't pay attention to some of these things that seem i'm like their <hes> trivial and they're not and trump does pay attention when trump went after the football players a for kneeling during the flag a lot of people on the right a lot of intellectuals you know the the think tanks at the beginning hawaii is eliah. Why is he doing this well. He was absolutely right. This is where the imagination formed in the culture is where the imagination is formed and so that becomes your sense of reality. Let's let's just assume for a minute. Let's assume that that congressman was saying something stuff that he believed that he is just a victim of that. I mean he's a product of that. <hes> he may he may be doing it on purpose in which case he's trying to make you a product of that but he may also be a product of that. There may be some way in which he actually believes what he's saying a. and that's why you get these they're to move. There are two different programs coming out <hes> attacking fox news roger ailes and functions as a movie coming out called bombshell <hes> <hes> which is obviously about these sexual. <hes> you know <hes> scandal that happened. Just the end of roger ailes is life big stars nicole kidman margot robbie show release just a really this is a really big film <hes> you know and then there's the one on showtime <hes> the loudest voice. Do we have a little bit of this. This is what's his name. <hes> what's the actor's name plane roger ailes <hes> the guy from gladiator russell crowe. Thanks <hes> yeah. This is russell crowe playing the evil. <hes> roger ailes on showtime's the loud voice television is the most powerful force in the world. We're going to give them. I'm a vision of the world the way it really wait. They want it to be we can do that and they will never change. Show people don't want to be informed. They want a feeling for so two two different films attacking fox news about this one thing on fox news why why i mean not about matt lauer who bento girl over a chair and banged her until she fainted and he had to call the medics not about charlie rose. Who's also been accused about this stuff not about the guy at c._b._s. Who was all these scandals scandals these metoo scandals on the left to shows about one cable news station why because they want to colonize the imagination and when you see this stuff stuff you think i go. Nobody's watching this stuff at newsbusters it. This is <hes> you know how much i love newsbusters when my favorite sites is typical conservatives saying oh this bombshell is gonna lose money. It doesn't matter it's going to be on at three o'clock in the morning eight p._m. It's going to be on every cable station and this is what people are gonna think about when they think about fox news generation coming up who sits around during netflix and chill is going to watch netflix and chill to bombshell and that's the power. This has the because we never answer it. We never fight back and when somebody does fight eight back the babylon be perfect example that you know i i've said before the babylon be is the second funny satire out there and i'm teasing them. You know because i've been doing this stuff and i just love their work and <hes> i think doing great great satirical work pretty <hes> pretty much from the obviously from a christian perspective which means they're more conservative live then left but they come after everybody they come after trump worship to <hes> common is the guy runs it and he writes a piece in the wall street journal today about this snowpacks snowpacks <hes> a supposed fact check site which has been fact checking their satire right the published a debunking of a satirical take aac remember a georgia state to congresswoman erica thomas <hes> claim that a white man in a supermarket told her to go back where you came from and so they did one said georgia lawmaker occur claims chick-fil-a employer ploy told her to go back to her country later clarifies what he actually said was my pleasure slopes knew it was a joke but they questioned he says is our brand of satire. The website called us junk news and a ruse it accused us of intentionally muddying the details of current event full people so they lawyered up babylon ballooned up and got them to change some of the <hes> some of the story but they've then said well you know we there's a study from ohio state. <hes> <hes> that shows that people believed the shattuck well app. The study itself is garbage what they did was they read people the headlines as if they were true and then they were surprised the people believe them they took the humor out of them but why why you know martin luther said the best way to drive out the devil if he will not yield two texts of scripture her is to jeer and flout him for he cannot bear scorn right because evil essentially makes no sense because evil is essentially an absurdity. The devil can't be mocked. Double doesn't want to be mocked because once you mock people you expose their ideas. I mean that's in that rules for radicals as well. The the one of the greatest things you can do with scorn people so they the left has to make sure sure has to make sure that people who are doing good satire. Don't get away with it. That's snap is doing and all they've done really expose themselves as a left wing hit site which is what they always were so this real battle. The battle for people's imaginations is important just like the battle for their eyeballs. You know people talk about oh. We need to get eyeballs in the movie business and they m._t._v. They say we need to get eyeballs. Wh what they means. We want to shape people's perception. We want their imaginations locked in to our imagination vision of the world so when you feel things are panicking baniking when you feel over recession is coming when you feel <hes> oh my gosh donald trump is created chaos. Oh my gosh so much going wrong in our world shooters everywhere. Everything's falling apart. Just remember just remember. The people who are controlling those perceptions are not your friends. They are in fact the enemies of the people namely you and magic nation is an organ of perception section like every organ of perception. It can be fooled. The daily wire has turned four years old and we are thrilled as a thank you to our fans. We are giving away one month onto our premium monthly subscription to anyone who uses the code birthday. That's right for all of august as we celebrate this milestone. We're giving away a free first month. For new premium the monthly subscribers again just use the code birthday and come and join the fun at the daily wire and it really is fun mailbag coming up in just a moment mellberg very a dim and distant is at my ears. Not i before i get to some of those came in the mail bag. I want to say about one letter that came to me through my my website <hes> saying that i got it wrong. When i was talking about the proud boys <hes> and i kind of conflicted them white supremacists they are openly not a white supremacist this group. They say they are <hes> an all male. No girls allowed proud boys club <hes> and they are invite. Everybody loves america over whether you're gay or straight with your black away. They don't care. She's not a white supremacist group. I do have pro. I like gavin mcginnis. Who is one of the founders a lot but i have problems with the fact that i feel they. Go out and start trouble and just because you say you're not you're something doesn't mean you are anti faucets antifascists but his fascist but they're not white supremacists. They are patriotic. <hes> and i think that they should maybe take a little easier. Look look going around looking to start <hes> trouble as just as i think anti-fis violent organization. I don't support that at all but i should not have call them a white supremacist. They're not <hes> <hes> from joe a supreme overlord of satire last week in the mail bag when discussing what it means to be a man you started. The good man acts in private as he appears in public. I was is talking about integrity. <hes> i believe the principle of integrity is essential to manhood <hes> so i thank you for your wisdom. My question is in your opinion. Does integrity exists solely in the presence presence present or does each break from integrity contribute to its irreversible deterioration. <hes> i know several young men including myself will look back on their younger selves and cringe. I i will join that group by the way i know exactly what you're talking about. I know that i personally have in the past lived very different far more simply indulgent life and private than i seem to be in public at times i struggle with reconciling solving that past way of life with my present transparency is integrity salvageable once lost and if so to what point i thank you for answering and for your wisdom oh ellis or oracle <hes> you know listen i join. You did things in my youth that i thoroughly thoroughly ashamed of. I think most people have <hes> and i was particularly out of my mind aimed for a period of time and so it was even worse <hes> but look you only have the present to work with that is basically the message of jesus. You are forgiven. You're forgiven given your off the hook now. You have to go forward. <hes> guilt has a purpose gilders like red light flashing in an airplane. If you're flying a plane in a red light goes on you gotta fix what that red light light this telling. You is wrong once you fix it. You don't have to worry about it anymore. You just go forward and keep an eye on it. <hes> as you go ahead. You only have the president to work with listen. There are things you can do that. There's no way to make good murder is one of the rape is one of them and sometimes you gotta go and pay for those things if you've got if you've got your mother buried in your backyard you you gotta dig her up but for the most of the things that we have done <hes> and you've got to dig up and go to the police in take your punishment but for most of the things that we've done. There's no way to fix them in what you have to do is you have to look yourself in. The mirror say this is what i did and then go on part of having integrity is doing that part of having integrity is doing that and so you have to walk this this very careful full line between not paying attention to your guilt the two ways the people dan themselves is one is the rewrite the world so they say i didn't do anything wrong. No it wasn't wrong. I'll unproven. I'll do something even worse. You know that that abortion wasn't wrong. I'll have two more. I'll show you and i'll shout my abortion. You know once you do that. You're damned you're going down a path where you have to keep making things worse worse than worse to for to keep from facing the shame and the other thing they did was having faced the shame and having gotten rid of the the behavior and gone forward they wallow in the shame and that's why they call satan the accuser. He keeps accusing you and your mind. It takes a lot of self discipline not to do that. Yes you can have integrity <hes> if you've done bad things in the past part of that integrity is admitting that you've done them and moving on the way that that shows that you have left that behind one of the things is so bad about our culture is they try to get apologies out of people as a political maneuver and then when the person apologizes they don't forgive him. That's not the way it works when you're done when you've stood before god and said i was wrong. God says got it now. Go forward and should know more. That's the way it is. You only have the present to work with and so if you waste the present if you waste the president wallowing in your pass a you're losing the chance to become a man of integrity and move on from alec <hes> dear cleveland the witty and wise worthy of wonder what is your take on the effect of video games especially violent ones on the human brain. I'm a fan of matt walsh. I know his opinion on it. <hes> he does not enjoy video games in his point is that we must be objective about them even if we do this is logical position <hes> i enjoy lots of different and kinds of games including violent ones as someone who enjoys video games yourself. What's your opinion on that. My opinion is that the problem with video games is not video games. It is the situation of the people playing playing them. I so many of these studies you read them. They'll say like after ten hours playing violent video games. People become violent left ten hours of eating carrots. You become violent. I mean you. You can't do anything for ten hours. You don't want to control how much time you spend playing video games. You don't want to immerse yourself in them for hours and hours on end <hes>. It doesn't even feel good to do that. That's how you should limit the amount of time you do anything except read. Maybe even reading you want to get out and get exercise and do things like that. You know so like you don't wanna play the video games forever forever but so much of the bad things that happened with video games happened because parents aren't involved and especially fathers. If if you play video games with your dad is not going to be the same experience if your parents are paying attention to video games you play and of course the younger you are the more of a child you are the less you feed things in <hes> into that brain rain gonna shape them. If you have a small tree and you put a little poison to the tree the tree is going to grow up twisted and sick if you have a large tree and you put a little poison. It's not going to have any effect effect whatsoever so that's not to say that <hes> video games were poisoned. Obviously i'm just saying that. The effect of something on somebody small is going to be so much greater than it is. When you're an adult and you can say oh. This is a game. I'm playing. I'm pretending to be a soldier and pretending to be in a violent situation because it's exciting and cool but i know that's not happening. That's something that you have as an adult. That child doesn't have so really the problem with video games everything surrounding them that family a dynamic the fatherless-ness the amount of time unrestricted with video games and whoa how old people are is not the games themselves. That's it's absurd. It's absurd. I mean you know if you play. If you play games with your dad and some of them violent you're not going to become a violent person. That's not gonna happen so if you're a grown adult and you're not a violent person. I know i'm not a violent person. I know video games are not gonna make me more more violent so i just think it's ridiculous to blame the game name and not the greater situation <hes> michael tear slayer of es. I'm in a committed relationship with my girlfriend. I a full intention to marry her. We agree on politics takes. She has two brothers that are militant leftists <hes> they have called me white supremacist for supporting trump as well as a translator for believing in biology when i'm around the my bite my tongue hung out of respect for my relationship with my girlfriend <hes> they've on several occasions started arguments on facebook <hes> i do on occasion post conservative post mostly comical ones and they've used these as a mean to insult me believes i wanna marry my girlfriend whom i deeply love but there's the shadow lingering over us of her brothers. How should i handle the situation. Do i continue to simply ignore their taunts johnson or defend my beliefs. I thank you for your wisdom. No you don't ignore them. They're bullying. You see that's. That's you can't do that. You can't let them bully you and that they they're insulting you. They're calling you named <hes> and and you don't have to start a fight. That's not the point <hes> but you do have to stand up for yourself and let them know that this is not gonna play what i would do in the situation is i. I talked to my girlfriend. I would say look you know. I love you. This has nothing to do with you but your brothers are being bullying intervene obnoxious and i'm going to have a conversation with them about them and i'm i'm going to block them on social media. Don't have them on your facebook page. I i don't really do a lot of facebook but i'm sure there's some way to not have them. Come on and not be on your feet. <hes> why why have them mont <hes> sit down with them however you communicate with them and say look guys i love you and i'm going to marry your sister. Here's the thing i'm gonna marry your sister. I'm going to be part of your family. You're really out of line and say the most friendly way you know you're. You're just add a line. You can't be calling me a white supremacist. That's not what i am. Different political opinions family in politics sometimes don't miss it. Don't mix so maybe we shouldn't talk about this stuff. I mean if you want to have a a civilized conversation about it anytime anytime not changing my opinions it's for you. I'm not going to be but i'm not going to. Have you call me white supremacist. You're going to do that. Just don't talk to me. Just don't if you can't be civilized. Don't talk to me say this impolitely as you can and tell your girlfriend you're gonna do it and then just be who you are. I mean you have a right to your opinions. Your opinions happen to be true and there's a wrong but you don't have to be pushed around like that's it's ridiculous. They're being incredibly route. One of the things that left us have is they have this idea that you're evil so they can say anything you want but if you turn around to them and say hey you know you're a communist and your ideas are responsible for millions of people dying there like how can you be so uncivil you know being uncivil never became a thing until rush limbaugh came around and then suddenly as where doc of bill clinton. Where's the civility well when you were calling us racist. Where was the civility so again in the politest possible way just say guys. This is not the way hey this is going to go. If you're gonna call me that if you're gonna call me names. We're not talking about it. If we don't talk about it. We can be wonderful friends because i'm going to be part of the family and you should let your your girlfriend. No you're going to do it. <hes> ashley from ashley o. king klavan as a movie buff who grew up with a grandfather film critic been dismayed at the decline of this profession critics no longer anger discussed the quality of film instead focusing on how it fits in with the modern social and political landscape. Do you see the audience shift away from critics as a long-term win for the film industry or lost lost as an artist. Have you ever held this proficient in high esteem yourself. Thanks <hes> really interesting question <hes> most chris. There's a difference between reviewers in critics. Okay reviewer tells you whether the film is good and should you go and reviews are now obsolete really because the the system on on things like rotten tomatoes is better aggregate reviews are better you can go on and look at what people say and if they say oh well i hate this movie because it's against abortion and and you think you're pro-life then known to not to pay attention to that. It's very openness right out there. In the open i can usually tell by reading rotten tomatoes. Whether i'm going to like a former we're not because of the aggregate of reviews and they tell me what they don't like and i can sort of say yeah. That's not going to bother me. That is going to bother me. <hes> and that's the way i find good movies really works. Individual reviewers have lost a lot of power. Criticize criticism has gone down the drain. Criticism has gone down the drain because what they call theory and there's all kinds of theory queer theory and there's black theory in this female theory feminist theory and the problem about all the stuff is it imposes a template on top of the work of art and prevents vince the artist from speaking criticism that tries to help you understand what the artist was trying to say and what he might have said without meaning need to is incredibly useful and can even become almost an art form so when that happens it's still a wonderful thing it happens very rarely because of left wing off theory and because the right does not cultivate criticism but the right does send some political reporter out to you know oh i enjoy the movies so i'm going to go to see the movies but the guy doesn't really i know about the history of movies doesn't hasn't really studied movies and so he doesn't know what he's talking about. <hes> he only knows it he basically as a reviewer a right-wing reviewer we have very few cultural literal critics on the right and the left cultural critics have gone insane because of theory which ruins it so i think criticism can be a very powerful force for good. I mean look without without up. Criticism of some of the great works <hes> t t s eliot the wasteland or even shakespeare. I wouldn't have the kind of depth of information. I have about those works because i wouldn't know where they come from time. I wouldn't know enough about <hes> elizabethan. England may be to understand shakespeare at the level. I want to understand you can take shakespeare as he comes right. 'cause he's funny and he's interesting tells good stories in his language is beautiful but the more you know the deeper you get so criticism can be a wonderful thing almost reaching the level of an art form unfortunately <hes> with the advent of <hes> <hes> of theory and deconstruction ism and all this <hes> french theory that came around it has been ruined when as really good article in city journal the currency journal an interview with camille paglia who talks about this very intelligently <hes> so anyway they're still. I'm sure good criticism from around but you gotta look forward. <hes> one good place to find it is you if you get the claremont review of books. They have a lot of ads for books of criticism and some of those are excellent criticism <hes> from daniel dear andrew klavan. I wanna thank you and the rest of the daily wire crew for educating me on politics helping expand my level of thought on now facing a tough battle battle in my home. Life is becoming hard to ignore. My older brother has been blowing off schoolwork post concerning things on social media cutting a friend groups and spending the majority of his days in bed ed. I believe a lot of this has to do with his self. Worth issues. There's tons of evidence of him. Being a closeted bisexual or homosexual whenever the topic of gays is brought up he he immediately talks about how they should all die horrible death and burnin health reflecting what he thinks of himself <hes> this is greatly affecting my parents making my mother anxious in my father very prone to anger. I can't help but feel like there's something i need to do to help. Both my father and brother. Is there anything you recommend me doing to help my older brother out of this depressive state and calm my father. Well first of all good for you for noticing see. This is a serious problem. This is a serious thing and there's only so much you can do this this certain information lacking from this letter so my answer can't be as complete fleet as i'd like it to be. I don't know how old you are. I don't know how old your older brothers. I'm guessing you're older brothers moving into being a teenager or maybe a late teen and that that that would mean that you are somewhere below that so it's it's a little hard for me to tell what kind of leverage i. There's nothing you can do to change your parents right your parents or your parents. They grown up taped. It's not the people never change but they don't change because you're you don't have the power to change you. Do have the power to befriend your brother and to let your brother know that you love him and his brother and his pal no matter what you know. You don't have to say even if you're gay but you can say look. No matter who you are no matter. What's bothering you if you're depressed. If you are struggling with something if you're gay doesn't matter to me on your brother and your powell and you can tell me what's on your mind and i can help you like don't don't feel that you're gonna lose me <hes> because <hes> because you're gay or anything else right so maybe give him a chance to talk about. This may be struggling with this and he needs to know that someone's gonna love him. No matter what <hes> that may not be the answer now if if your friendship doesn't help and if he doesn't come down and if it looks like <hes> there's a real problem that he might hurt hurt himself or he might hurt somebody else or he might use drugs that are going to really hurt him that that might come. There might come a time when you have to go to your parents and say are you. You know instead of yelling at this guy you gotta get them help. You know he needs help and i can't do it and you can't do. It and somebody's gotta do it because otherwise he's going to hurt himself. That might be a message passage so you can send your parents but i tried befriending him. Try letting him know that he's got a friend in you know matter what's going on in his mind. Don't leap to conclusions. Don't decide you know the truth before before you find out what he thinks the truth is i mean. I don't know whether what he's saying is denial. I don't know whether <hes> you know he's got some other mental issue. That's really burning him up but it would be good for him to have a friend know that he that you're gonna love him. No matter what so that is something you can talk to him about an if it looks like there's real danger then you might go <hes> to your parents or someone else you think might be more useful <hes> and see if you can get them help so that's that's how i would start. I gotta stop but i will be back tomorrow. I'm doing a friday show tomorrow. Also please be here on andrew klavan. This is the andrew claybin show <music>. 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